Swartz, Weev & radical libertarian lexicon (Re: Jacob Appelbaum in Germany - Aaron Swartz)

Cari Machet carimachet at gmail.com
Tue Jan 7 10:36:44 PST 2014


umn i just met u at #30c3 i know who u r so... aaahhh memories...
names .... ppl... buses ... berlin...  i was making a little joke and
calling u poland sorry i happen to love poland generally so i like to
talk about it i guess

how do you conclude that aaron was not "hacking" PLEASE EXPLAIN ???????

On 1/7/14, Cari Machet <carimachet at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/7/14, Adam Back <adam at cypherspace.org> wrote:
>>
>> Apart from the refusal to bow to PC, James is actually a pretty smart guy
>> from what I recall.  He implemented some simplifed UX, ECC crypto email
>> stuff called 'crypto kong' [2] way back in 1997.
>
> all hail to the chiefs but happy to praise all-all but look even mass
> murderers are kind sometimes i am sure ie just onaccounta' you is
> smart in one compartmentalized section of ur life dont mean ur
> emotionally smart
>
>>
>> Cypherpunks write code & all that, gives James some brownie points.
>
> agreed!!!!!
>
>>
>> About Aaron's case and suicide, it seems to me that Aaron miscalculated,
>> and
>> the hacking was pretty escalated, engaged in multiple escalating
>> counter-measures when it was obvious the sysadmins were on to him as an
>> intruder, he didnt back off
>
> i have not heard this before - i had the information that he was
> downloading way too much at a time and doing it over a very small
> period of time and that tipped them off my information is that he was
> very careful in other work of this kind why would he b so sloppy this
> time - i mean how do you know he knew they were on to him?
>
>>but took it to the next level including
>> physical
>> intrusion & hiding equipment.  But MIT (and to a lesser extent JSTOR) let
>> him down badly as did some of his academic friends and its tragic that he
>> was a victim of some extremely over reaching imbalanced law the CFAA [3],
>> aggressively prosecuted by self-agrandizing politically motivated, and
>> almost legally immune deeply flawed US federal prosecution and plea
>> bargain
>> system,
>
> yes but i think from my understanding it wasnt the amount of prison
> time or the money but the fact that he wld have to plead guilty to 13
> felony counts - he would not get to serve in the government ... vote
> etc
>
>>which also saw Weev [4] put in jail over the most ridiculous and
>> egregious abuse of law (noticing a defect in AT&T web site and giving the
>> information to the media).  Yes Weev enjoys trolling, but thats an
>> art-form
>> and since when has unpopular speech been illegal, freedom of speech means
>> unpopular speech too.
>
> AGREED - i am not sure ppl know enough about his case any ideas about
> how we can push it out there more?????
>
>>Aaron's earlier hacktivism was pretty spectacularly
>> successful in demonstrating the stupidity of charging for access to
>> publicly
>> funded legal information, in a way that ultimatey they could find no
>> legal
>> fault with, though the feds were not doubt pretty pissed that they
>> couldnt
>> get him for anything.  But even the legal dox hacktivism stunt was very
>> high
>> risk, the US legal system is hard to rely on, even when you are doing
>> legal
>> but politically unpopular to things to a subset of the higher echelons of
>> office holder.  It seems to me that particularly in the US the
>> political/legal system tends to hold grudges and fail spectacularly at
>> balance and impartiality and legal independence from political influence.
>> Its better than Russia still, but its falling in world rankings of rule
>> of
>> law and political indendence for sure.  There are probably some
>> independent
>> rankings on this aspect of the government/jurisdiction comparison.
>
> i would love to see the rankings on that too i was just going over
> this very thing > there is no oversight absolutely NONE like in the
> bureau of prisons guess who decided the fate of lynne stewart > 1 man
> who is the director > it is a piss poor system that has no
> intellectual growth in its structure for a very long time > i find it
> curious that u compare US judicial system to russia thats funny
>
> agreed the system is not reliably predictable EVER i think he spoke to
> agents without a lawyer present
>
> i think all instances are multifaceted and criticism and debate about
> aaron is helpful i wasnt saying that i was saying the militance was
> off to me
>
> i would be interested to hear more of what ppl think were the
> mis-steps in his work however large or small it may seem - as i am
> doing some work around 'reparations' and want the full picture as much
> as possible before i get hit in the face with it somewhere else...
>
> THANKS FOR YOUR TIME
>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> [1] http://www.cypherpunks.to/faq/cyphernomicron/cyphernomicon.html
>> [2] http://echeque.com/Kong/
>> [3] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act
>> [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 02:15:07AM +0100, Cari Machet wrote:
>>>shut the fuck up
>>>
>>>who is arrogant (and simplistic)? u
>>>
>>>On 1/6/14, James A. Donald <jamesd at echeque.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-01-07 03:18, John Young wrote:
>>>>  > Swartz was ratted by a sysadmin, investigated by several sysadmins,
>>>>  > some who formerly helped him and were pressured to betray him,
>>>>  > indicted with the essential help of sysadmins. University and JSTOR
>>>>  > administrators could not have discovered him , aided the
>>>>  > investigation, cooperated with the prosecutor, without sysadmins.
>>>>  > The cops and prosecutor could not have caught, investigated, coerced
>>>>  > witnesses, indicted and killed Swarz without sysadmins. Some of
>>>>  > those sysadmins are under lifetime vows of secrecy for cooperating
>>>>  > against Swartz.
>>>>
>>>> They were not "ratting" on him
>>>>
>>>> A sysadmin tries to keep his systems working.  Aaron Swartz was
>>>> disruptively trespassing on their systems - he was arrogantly and
>>>> obnoxiously aggressing against them.
>>>>
>>>> And that, in fact, was what he was charged with, not with releasing
>>>> JSTOR IP property, but with screwing up other people's computers.
>>>>
>>>> If he had been furtive about collecting the data, the way Snowden was,
>>>> there never would have been any problem.
>>>>
>>>> The problem was that Aaron Swartz was an arrogant asshole who thought
>>>> he was ruling class and above the law, and that those he aggressed
>>>> against were menials beneath the law - the Henry Louis Gates
>>>> phenomenon.
>>>>
>>>> One of the things our ruling class filters against is conspicuous and
>>>> obnoxious arrogance.  They don't want us noticing them.  Aaron Swartz
>>>> failed the conspicuous arrogance filter before being granted tenure,
>>>> so suddenly found himself no longer ruling class.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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> On 1/7/14, Cari Machet <carimachet at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dnia środa, 8 stycznia 2014 03:29:16 James A. Donald pisze:
>>> If an ordinary person engages in physical intrusion to hack someone
>>
>>> to hack someone
>>
>>> hack
>>
>>> Sir, you keep using this word. I don't think it means what you think it
>>> means
>>
>> hey poland - you dont think a person can b hacked? wow....
>>
>> On 1/7/14, rysiek <rysiek at hackerspace.pl> wrote:
>>> Dnia środa, 8 stycznia 2014 03:29:16 James A. Donald pisze:
>>>> If an ordinary person engages in physical intrusion to hack someone
>>>
>>>> to hack someone
>>>
>>>> hack
>>>
>>> Sir, you keep using this word. I don't think it means what you think it
>>> means.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pozdr
>>> rysiek
>>>
>>> P.S.
>>> Yeah, yeah, why am I even feeding the troll.
>>
>>
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