FUCK GRIFFIN BOYCE And yet ANOTHER NET.LOON Candidate Re: Earlier Detweiler ravings!!

Lance Cottrell loki at obscura.com
Wed Jan 8 09:34:08 PST 2014


This was all really boring the first time around. 

--
Lance Cottrell
loki at obscura.com



On Jan 8, 2014, at 9:23 AM, gwen hastings <gwen at cypherpunks.to> wrote:

> Fuck You Griffin(happy now?)
> 
> yes and FUCK you too!!..Who GIVES a FLYING FUCK as to what YOU CARE ABOUT...
> 
>     those who dont remember the past are doomed to forever repeat it..
>      GH
> 
> idiot fuckwad kids
> 
> 
> On 1/8/14 9:02 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote:
>>  The amount of fucks I give about this can be conveniently stored
>> within a thimble.  If the drama is twenty years hence, maybe it's time
>> to move beyond it?
>> 
>> ~Griffin
>> 
>> 
>> On 2014-01-08 11:49, gwen hastings wrote:
>>> From ld231782 Wed Dec 29 21:33:12 1993
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>>> VAA27831; Wed, 29 Dec 1993 21:32:40 -0700
>>> Message-Id: <199312300432.VAA27831 at longs.lance.colostate.edu>
>>> to: cypherpunks at toad.com, cypherwonks at lists.eunet.fi,
>>>        colorado_cypherpunks at vis.colostate.edu
>>> subject: Paranoia Strikes Deep...
>>> cc: ld231782
>>> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 93 21:32:28 -0700
>>> From: "L. Detweiler" <ld231782>
>>> X-Mts: smtp
>>> 
>>> Hello, I have been hearing some rumors about the cypherpunks
>>> being `penetrated' by some spies and areas of the Internet
>>> (mailing lists, newsgroups, private mail, journal articles, etc.)
>>> being targeted with `tentacle' infiltrations. I thought this was
>>> kind of fascinating to contemplate how they would behave. It
>>> seems to me that loyalty is very hard to judge by mere email
>>> messages alone, and that these hypothetical spies might take that
>>> to their advantage. Here are some of the things that either
>>> cypherpunk loyalists (cyberanarchists) or cy{b,ph}erwonk spies
>>> might say to gain credibility and further `intelligence' from
>>> insiders:
>>> 
>>> - L.Detweiler is insane, has sent death threats, is behind
>>> S.Boxx, is involved in cyberspatial guerrila warfare, is the
>>> mastermind of a spy plot, etc. He is the only person in the world
>>> who cares about pseudospoofing. (All the complete ad hominem
>>> fantasy stuff).
>>> 
>>> - `T.C. May and E.Hughes and J.Gilmore are all outstanding and
>>> upstanding net citizens, have never pseudospoofed or done
>>> anything wrong, and are the target of an anonymous smear campaign
>>> by terrorists.'
>>> 
>>> - `I have been to cypherpunk meetings and parties, and I have met
>>> all the people who have been accused of being tentacles, and they
>>> are all real. In fact, I saw their drivers licenses.' `Someone
>>> accused of being a tentacle actually lives with me.'
>>> 
>>> - There are no conspiracies whatsoever going on inside the
>>> cypherpunks, including drug use by `leaders' or pseudospoofing or
>>> other illegitimate activities.
>>> 
>>> -  Lies are liberating. `We have a right to lie to the media and
>>> other people through tentacles.' One can make a game out of
>>> infecting respectable media outlets like Wired and NYT with
>>> elaborate deceptions.
>>> 
>>> - Pseudospoofing is liberating. `You are only as good as the
>>> number of identities you can project on the internet; this is a
>>> feature, not a bug.' The Enders Game book (Orson Scott Card?) is
>>> an example of the liberating effect of pseudospoofing on freeing
>>> people from their arbitrary prejudices about human identity and
>>> accountability.
>>> 
>>> - There's no big deal about black marketeering or tax evasion.
>>> Everyone does it. It's a survival tactic in a brutal world of
>>> corrupt governments and massive corporations out to oppress the
>>> little guy. We are entering a New World Order where anarchy will
>>> rule and all governments will crumble.
>>> 
>>> - Blacknet is a harmless and visionary cyberspatial experiment
>>> done by T.C.May.
>>> 
>>> - `Please take these annoying discussions about secret
>>> conspiracies elsewhere.'
>>> 
>>> Of course, if any of these statements are by the spies, they are
>>> just trying to build up your trust so that they can betray you
>>> later when they have the proper opportunity. Or, sometimes, there
>>> is the dictum that `intelligence is more valuable than
>>> liquidation' and they may continue to deceive you just for the
>>> valuable intelligence indefinately.
>>> 
>>> * * *
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Then there may be some `tentacles' out there that are being
>>> driven by the counterrevolutionaries bent on destroying the
>>> Cyberanarchist movement and interested in getting some of their
>>> own propaganda out there. These would be indistinguishable from
>>> cy{b,ph}erwonk loyalists.
>>> 
>>> - L.Detweiler is brilliant, has made stellar net contributions,
>>> has never sent death threats, no evidence exists that he is
>>> behind S.Boxx, he has spoken out against cyberspatial guerrila
>>> warfare, is the mastermind of a new mailing list but talk of a
>>> spy plot is preposterous, etc. He is one of many in the world who
>>> cares very seriously about pseudospoofing as all his writing in
>>> e.g. RISKS and CUD attests.
>>> 
>>> - `Very little is know about T.C. May and E.Hughes and J.Gilmore
>>> as far as their personalities, and in fact J.Gilmore has admitted
>>> publicly to drug use, and all vehemently resist making
>>> unequivocal public or private statements on pseudospoofing,
>>> although they do seem to be the target of an anonymous smear
>>> campaign by the anonymous person S.Boxx, but with some disturbing
>>> elements of truth.'
>>> 
>>> - `I have never been to cypherpunk meetings and parties, and I am
>>> suspicious of the behavior of many of the `people' L.Detweiler
>>> has accused of being tentacles, because of the lack of verifiable
>>> information and a sort of `cardboard cutout' flavor to their
>>> personalities. There seems to be some desperate damage control
>>> going on.'
>>> 
>>> - There seem to be some actual conspiracies going on inside the
>>> cypherpunks, including drug use by `leaders' or pseudospoofing or
>>> other illegitimate activities.
>>> 
>>> -  Lies are lies. `No one has a right to lie to the media or
>>> other people through tentacles.' Anyone who makes a game out of
>>> infecting respectable media outlets like Wired and NYT with
>>> elaborate deceptions is malicious, depraved, and perverted.
>>> 
>>> - Pseudospoofing is perverted. Statements like `You are only as
>>> good as the number of identities you can project on the internet;
>>> this is a feature, not a bug.' are depraved and deluded. The
>>> Enders Game book (Orson Scott Card?) is an example of the very
>>> dangerous effect of pseudospoofing on manipulating people in
>>> their assumptions and presumptions about human identity and
>>> accountability, and for mind control and brainwashing.
>>> 
>>> - Black marketeering and tax evasion are evil. Though many
>>> promote it, it is toxic to social harmony. Those that promote it
>>> are all hypocrites who claim that they have found new societies
>>> that are free of it, but have found only societies of poisonous
>>> distrust and paranoia. The whole purpose of governments and
>>> corporations is to serve people, and if they fail to do so they
>>> need to be adjusted but not destroyed.
>>> 
>>> - `Please don't censor these fascinating discussions about secret
>>> conspiracies and cyberanarchists.'
>>> 
>>> 
>>> * * *
>>> 
>>> It's quite a pity that in Cyberspace, to borrow a phrase that is
>>> rapidly becoming a cliche, no one knows if you are a spy. Perhaps
>>> we can work together to build systems that minimize this kind of
>>> rampant paranoia. It's really a shame that someone with a grudge
>>> against any mailing list or its leaders could so disrupt its
>>> smooth flowing operation with no repercussions. I have some ideas
>>> for preventing this, and in fact I encourage anyone else who does
>>> to join the Cy{ph,b}erwonks list and discuss these issues
>>> associated with Electronic Democracy.
>>> 
>>> ``The first casualty in war is the truth.'' There is a saying in
>>> war, `shoot them all and let God sort them out.' Perhaps in these
>>> turbulent times, this message represents a `list all the rumors
>>> and let the People sort them out.' I hope the truth prevails in
>>> Cyberspace as it does in the real world. Our own controversies,
>>> such as those above, will serve as an interesting experiment.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tentacle #99
> 
> ecc public key curve p160
> ;9C~b~)3)cp0d!?C1JIVI=tI(
> 
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