FUCK GRIFFIN BOYCE And yet ANOTHER NET.LOON Candidate Re: Earlier Detweiler ravings!!

gwen hastings gwen at cypherpunks.to
Wed Jan 8 09:23:11 PST 2014


Fuck You Griffin(happy now?)

yes and FUCK you too!!..Who GIVES a FLYING FUCK as to what YOU CARE ABOUT...

     those who dont remember the past are doomed to forever repeat it..
      GH

idiot fuckwad kids


On 1/8/14 9:02 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote:
>   The amount of fucks I give about this can be conveniently stored
> within a thimble.  If the drama is twenty years hence, maybe it's time
> to move beyond it?
> 
> ~Griffin
> 
> 
> On 2014-01-08 11:49, gwen hastings wrote:
>> From ld231782 Wed Dec 29 21:33:12 1993
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>> to: cypherpunks at toad.com, cypherwonks at lists.eunet.fi,
>>         colorado_cypherpunks at vis.colostate.edu
>> subject: Paranoia Strikes Deep...
>> cc: ld231782
>> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 93 21:32:28 -0700
>> From: "L. Detweiler" <ld231782>
>> X-Mts: smtp
>>
>> Hello, I have been hearing some rumors about the cypherpunks
>> being `penetrated' by some spies and areas of the Internet
>> (mailing lists, newsgroups, private mail, journal articles, etc.)
>> being targeted with `tentacle' infiltrations. I thought this was
>> kind of fascinating to contemplate how they would behave. It
>> seems to me that loyalty is very hard to judge by mere email
>> messages alone, and that these hypothetical spies might take that
>> to their advantage. Here are some of the things that either
>> cypherpunk loyalists (cyberanarchists) or cy{b,ph}erwonk spies
>> might say to gain credibility and further `intelligence' from
>> insiders:
>>
>> - L.Detweiler is insane, has sent death threats, is behind
>> S.Boxx, is involved in cyberspatial guerrila warfare, is the
>> mastermind of a spy plot, etc. He is the only person in the world
>> who cares about pseudospoofing. (All the complete ad hominem
>> fantasy stuff).
>>
>> - `T.C. May and E.Hughes and J.Gilmore are all outstanding and
>> upstanding net citizens, have never pseudospoofed or done
>> anything wrong, and are the target of an anonymous smear campaign
>> by terrorists.'
>>
>> - `I have been to cypherpunk meetings and parties, and I have met
>> all the people who have been accused of being tentacles, and they
>> are all real. In fact, I saw their drivers licenses.' `Someone
>> accused of being a tentacle actually lives with me.'
>>
>> - There are no conspiracies whatsoever going on inside the
>> cypherpunks, including drug use by `leaders' or pseudospoofing or
>> other illegitimate activities.
>>
>> -  Lies are liberating. `We have a right to lie to the media and
>> other people through tentacles.' One can make a game out of
>> infecting respectable media outlets like Wired and NYT with
>> elaborate deceptions.
>>
>> - Pseudospoofing is liberating. `You are only as good as the
>> number of identities you can project on the internet; this is a
>> feature, not a bug.' The Enders Game book (Orson Scott Card?) is
>> an example of the liberating effect of pseudospoofing on freeing
>> people from their arbitrary prejudices about human identity and
>> accountability.
>>
>> - There's no big deal about black marketeering or tax evasion.
>> Everyone does it. It's a survival tactic in a brutal world of
>> corrupt governments and massive corporations out to oppress the
>> little guy. We are entering a New World Order where anarchy will
>> rule and all governments will crumble.
>>
>> - Blacknet is a harmless and visionary cyberspatial experiment
>> done by T.C.May.
>>
>> - `Please take these annoying discussions about secret
>> conspiracies elsewhere.'
>>
>> Of course, if any of these statements are by the spies, they are
>> just trying to build up your trust so that they can betray you
>> later when they have the proper opportunity. Or, sometimes, there
>> is the dictum that `intelligence is more valuable than
>> liquidation' and they may continue to deceive you just for the
>> valuable intelligence indefinately.
>>
>> * * *
>>
>>
>> Then there may be some `tentacles' out there that are being
>> driven by the counterrevolutionaries bent on destroying the
>> Cyberanarchist movement and interested in getting some of their
>> own propaganda out there. These would be indistinguishable from
>> cy{b,ph}erwonk loyalists.
>>
>> - L.Detweiler is brilliant, has made stellar net contributions,
>> has never sent death threats, no evidence exists that he is
>> behind S.Boxx, he has spoken out against cyberspatial guerrila
>> warfare, is the mastermind of a new mailing list but talk of a
>> spy plot is preposterous, etc. He is one of many in the world who
>> cares very seriously about pseudospoofing as all his writing in
>> e.g. RISKS and CUD attests.
>>
>> - `Very little is know about T.C. May and E.Hughes and J.Gilmore
>> as far as their personalities, and in fact J.Gilmore has admitted
>> publicly to drug use, and all vehemently resist making
>> unequivocal public or private statements on pseudospoofing,
>> although they do seem to be the target of an anonymous smear
>> campaign by the anonymous person S.Boxx, but with some disturbing
>> elements of truth.'
>>
>> - `I have never been to cypherpunk meetings and parties, and I am
>> suspicious of the behavior of many of the `people' L.Detweiler
>> has accused of being tentacles, because of the lack of verifiable
>> information and a sort of `cardboard cutout' flavor to their
>> personalities. There seems to be some desperate damage control
>> going on.'
>>
>> - There seem to be some actual conspiracies going on inside the
>> cypherpunks, including drug use by `leaders' or pseudospoofing or
>> other illegitimate activities.
>>
>> -  Lies are lies. `No one has a right to lie to the media or
>> other people through tentacles.' Anyone who makes a game out of
>> infecting respectable media outlets like Wired and NYT with
>> elaborate deceptions is malicious, depraved, and perverted.
>>
>> - Pseudospoofing is perverted. Statements like `You are only as
>> good as the number of identities you can project on the internet;
>> this is a feature, not a bug.' are depraved and deluded. The
>> Enders Game book (Orson Scott Card?) is an example of the very
>> dangerous effect of pseudospoofing on manipulating people in
>> their assumptions and presumptions about human identity and
>> accountability, and for mind control and brainwashing.
>>
>> - Black marketeering and tax evasion are evil. Though many
>> promote it, it is toxic to social harmony. Those that promote it
>> are all hypocrites who claim that they have found new societies
>> that are free of it, but have found only societies of poisonous
>> distrust and paranoia. The whole purpose of governments and
>> corporations is to serve people, and if they fail to do so they
>> need to be adjusted but not destroyed.
>>
>> - `Please don't censor these fascinating discussions about secret
>> conspiracies and cyberanarchists.'
>>
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> It's quite a pity that in Cyberspace, to borrow a phrase that is
>> rapidly becoming a cliche, no one knows if you are a spy. Perhaps
>> we can work together to build systems that minimize this kind of
>> rampant paranoia. It's really a shame that someone with a grudge
>> against any mailing list or its leaders could so disrupt its
>> smooth flowing operation with no repercussions. I have some ideas
>> for preventing this, and in fact I encourage anyone else who does
>> to join the Cy{ph,b}erwonks list and discuss these issues
>> associated with Electronic Democracy.
>>
>> ``The first casualty in war is the truth.'' There is a saying in
>> war, `shoot them all and let God sort them out.' Perhaps in these
>> turbulent times, this message represents a `list all the rumors
>> and let the People sort them out.' I hope the truth prevails in
>> Cyberspace as it does in the real world. Our own controversies,
>> such as those above, will serve as an interesting experiment.


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