Swartz, Weev & radical libertarian lexicon (Re: Jacob Appelbaum in Germany - Aaron Swartz)

Cari Machet carimachet at gmail.com
Tue Jan 7 10:29:00 PST 2014


On 1/7/14, Adam Back <adam at cypherspace.org> wrote:
>
> Apart from the refusal to bow to PC, James is actually a pretty smart guy
> from what I recall.  He implemented some simplifed UX, ECC crypto email
> stuff called 'crypto kong' [2] way back in 1997.

all hail to the chiefs but happy to praise all-all but look even mass
murderers are kind sometimes i am sure ie just onaccounta' you is
smart in one compartmentalized section of ur life dont mean ur
emotionally smart

>
> Cypherpunks write code & all that, gives James some brownie points.

agreed!!!!!

>
> About Aaron's case and suicide, it seems to me that Aaron miscalculated,
> and
> the hacking was pretty escalated, engaged in multiple escalating
> counter-measures when it was obvious the sysadmins were on to him as an
> intruder, he didnt back off

i have not heard this before - i had the information that he was
downloading way too much at a time and doing it over a very small
period of time and that tipped them off my information is that he was
very careful in other work of this kind why would he b so sloppy this
time - i mean how do you know he knew they were on to him?

>but took it to the next level including
> physical
> intrusion & hiding equipment.  But MIT (and to a lesser extent JSTOR) let
> him down badly as did some of his academic friends and its tragic that he
> was a victim of some extremely over reaching imbalanced law the CFAA [3],
> aggressively prosecuted by self-agrandizing politically motivated, and
> almost legally immune deeply flawed US federal prosecution and plea bargain
> system,

yes but i think from my understanding it wasnt the amount of prison
time or the money but the fact that he wld have to plead guilty to 13
felony counts - he would not get to serve in the government ... vote
etc

>which also saw Weev [4] put in jail over the most ridiculous and
> egregious abuse of law (noticing a defect in AT&T web site and giving the
> information to the media).  Yes Weev enjoys trolling, but thats an art-form
> and since when has unpopular speech been illegal, freedom of speech means
> unpopular speech too.

AGREED - i am not sure ppl know enough about his case any ideas about
how we can push it out there more?????

>Aaron's earlier hacktivism was pretty spectacularly
> successful in demonstrating the stupidity of charging for access to
> publicly
> funded legal information, in a way that ultimatey they could find no legal
> fault with, though the feds were not doubt pretty pissed that they couldnt
> get him for anything.  But even the legal dox hacktivism stunt was very
> high
> risk, the US legal system is hard to rely on, even when you are doing legal
> but politically unpopular to things to a subset of the higher echelons of
> office holder.  It seems to me that particularly in the US the
> political/legal system tends to hold grudges and fail spectacularly at
> balance and impartiality and legal independence from political influence.
> Its better than Russia still, but its falling in world rankings of rule of
> law and political indendence for sure.  There are probably some independent
> rankings on this aspect of the government/jurisdiction comparison.

i would love to see the rankings on that too i was just going over
this very thing > there is no oversight absolutely NONE like in the
bureau of prisons guess who decided the fate of lynne stewart > 1 man
who is the director > it is a piss poor system that has no
intellectual growth in its structure for a very long time > i find it
curious that u compare US judicial system to russia thats funny

agreed the system is not reliably predictable EVER i think he spoke to
agents without a lawyer present

i think all instances are multifaceted and criticism and debate about
aaron is helpful i wasnt saying that i was saying the militance was
off to me

i would be interested to hear more of what ppl think were the
mis-steps in his work however large or small it may seem - as i am
doing some work around 'reparations' and want the full picture as much
as possible before i get hit in the face with it somewhere else...

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME

>
> Adam
>
> [1] http://www.cypherpunks.to/faq/cyphernomicron/cyphernomicon.html
> [2] http://echeque.com/Kong/
> [3] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act
> [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev
>
> On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 02:15:07AM +0100, Cari Machet wrote:
>>shut the fuck up
>>
>>who is arrogant (and simplistic)? u
>>
>>On 1/6/14, James A. Donald <jamesd at echeque.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-01-07 03:18, John Young wrote:
>>>  > Swartz was ratted by a sysadmin, investigated by several sysadmins,
>>>  > some who formerly helped him and were pressured to betray him,
>>>  > indicted with the essential help of sysadmins. University and JSTOR
>>>  > administrators could not have discovered him , aided the
>>>  > investigation, cooperated with the prosecutor, without sysadmins.
>>>  > The cops and prosecutor could not have caught, investigated, coerced
>>>  > witnesses, indicted and killed Swarz without sysadmins. Some of
>>>  > those sysadmins are under lifetime vows of secrecy for cooperating
>>>  > against Swartz.
>>>
>>> They were not "ratting" on him
>>>
>>> A sysadmin tries to keep his systems working.  Aaron Swartz was
>>> disruptively trespassing on their systems - he was arrogantly and
>>> obnoxiously aggressing against them.
>>>
>>> And that, in fact, was what he was charged with, not with releasing
>>> JSTOR IP property, but with screwing up other people's computers.
>>>
>>> If he had been furtive about collecting the data, the way Snowden was,
>>> there never would have been any problem.
>>>
>>> The problem was that Aaron Swartz was an arrogant asshole who thought
>>> he was ruling class and above the law, and that those he aggressed
>>> against were menials beneath the law - the Henry Louis Gates
>>> phenomenon.
>>>
>>> One of the things our ruling class filters against is conspicuous and
>>> obnoxious arrogance.  They don't want us noticing them.  Aaron Swartz
>>> failed the conspicuous arrogance filter before being granted tenure,
>>> so suddenly found himself no longer ruling class.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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On 1/7/14, Cari Machet <carimachet at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dnia środa, 8 stycznia 2014 03:29:16 James A. Donald pisze:
>> If an ordinary person engages in physical intrusion to hack someone
>
>> to hack someone
>
>> hack
>
>> Sir, you keep using this word. I don't think it means what you think it
>> means
>
> hey poland - you dont think a person can b hacked? wow....
>
> On 1/7/14, rysiek <rysiek at hackerspace.pl> wrote:
>> Dnia środa, 8 stycznia 2014 03:29:16 James A. Donald pisze:
>>> If an ordinary person engages in physical intrusion to hack someone
>>
>>> to hack someone
>>
>>> hack
>>
>> Sir, you keep using this word. I don't think it means what you think it
>> means.
>>
>> --
>> Pozdr
>> rysiek
>>
>> P.S.
>> Yeah, yeah, why am I even feeding the troll.
>
>
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