cypherpunks Digest, Vol 14, Issue 12
Ryan Carboni
ryacko at gmail.com
Tue Aug 12 10:41:25 PDT 2014
>
> So if that bill will be passed, National Security and Defense Council
> can ban any foreign media, website, foundation, movement, printed
> material, etc. without court.
>
Syria was under martial law... for several decades prior to their civil war.
But than again... for a few years, Lincoln was a dictator, going so far to
even free the slaves amid disapproval from his cabinet.
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: cypherpunks Digest, Vol 14, Issue 11 (Andrew White)
> 2. Re: Update your Tors - Tor security advisory: "relay early"
> traffic confirmation attack (Juan)
> 3. A post-spy world (John Young)
> 4. Re: Update your Tors - Tor security advisory: "relay early"
> traffic confirmation attack (rysiek)
> 5. SnakeoilMailbox? (rysiek)
> 6. Ukraine passed the bill about sanctions in first reading, it
> give power to close media, websites, and more (Anton Nesterov)
> 7. Re: [cryptography] A post-spy world (Ryan Carboni)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 09:37:53 -0700
> From: Andrew White <invalidheader at gmail.com>
> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: cypherpunks Digest, Vol 14, Issue 11
> Message-ID:
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 08:42:20 +1000
> > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd at echeque.com>
> > To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> > Subject: Ripple's consensus algorithm.
> > Message-ID: <53E7F54C.80805 at echeque.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
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> > Bitcoin's consensus algorithm is weight of computing power, which is OK
> > as long as weight of computing power aligns with interest in bitcoin
> > being a useful currency.
> >
> > Weight of stake would be better, but so far I am unaware of any
> > satisfactory proposals for weight of stake.
> >
> >
> This is called "proof of stake" not weight of stake and is different from
> Ripple's consensus process.
>
>
>
> > Ripples consensus algorithm is weight of club members, and the process
> > for getting into the club is opaque, as are the interests and incentives
> > of the existing club members.
> >
>
> This doesn't really describe how Ripple works. Ripple relies on the
> agreement of 80% or more of validator nodes per gateway to verify if a
> transaction took place or not. I write more about this in
> http://rippleinvestmentguide.com/
>
>
> >
> > I would suppose one gets into the club if no existing member blackballs
> > you, which would be fine if there is already sufficient diversity of
> > interests within the club.
> >
>
> Only if 80% of the networks validator nodes do that which is in practice
> not likely to happen on a large enough scale.
>
>
> >
> > It is not obvious to me how well the ripple consensus algorithm would
> > work in the event of substantial conflicts between club members, or bad
> > behavior by club members, or bad things happening to the network.
>
>
> > Has it been analyzed for performance in the event of bad behavior by
> > some club members?
> >
>
> I'll ping David Schwartz one of the co-inventors about this question.
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> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:24:08 -0300
> From: Juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com>
> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: Update your Tors - Tor security advisory: "relay early"
> traffic confirmation attack
> Message-ID: <53e924fb.0938ec0a.5497.4914 at mx.google.com>
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> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 11:13:10 +0200
> rysiek <rysiek at hackerspace.pl> wrote:
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> > Dnia wtorek, 5 sierpnia 2014 20:31:26 Juan pisze:
> > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 00:19:17 +0200
> > >
> > > rysiek <rysiek at hackerspace.pl> wrote:
> > > > One of the things I have learnt during the years of my brushing
> > > > shoulders with Teh Gummint (public consultations, conferences,
> > > > etc) is that a huge bureaucracy like a government is bound to have
> > > > conflicting interests and fund/take conflicting actions.
> > > >
> > > > Governments are not homogeneous, to say the least.
> > >
> > > Governments are pretty homoneneous criminal organizations.
> > > The fact that sometimes different government factions within a
> > > given government quarrel a bit over the spoils is basically
> > > meaningless, from the point of view of government victims at
> > > least.
> >
> > Well, obviously you haven't much experience with how governments look
> > from the inside.
>
> ...but I do have some inside information about the 'legal
> system', having been raised by lawyers =P
>
> >
> > Ministries and departments have different and conflicting policies
> > regarding some of their overlapping responsibilities, and the flow of
> > information is a real problem. Add to that some personal animosities
> > and ambitions and you get a clusterfuck of an organisation.
>
> Yes, all of that is true. I am aware of the fact that there are
> different factions inside a government. I did explicitly
> mention that. It doesn't affect my argument(s) though.
>
>
>
> >
> > A clusterfuck leaving quite a lot of space for projects like Tor.
> >
>
> Sorry, but that's circular.
>
> You *assume* tor isn't designed as a tool to further imperial
> american policies and you arrive at the conclusion that there
> are some 'good guys' in the US government.
>
> Too bad your assumption is what you actually need to prove.
>
> The argument here is that tor is a small network that can be
> more or less easily 'traffic analyzed' by the US government -
> the same government that created it. This is not 'rocket
> science'...
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:52:19 -0400
> From: John Young <jya at pipeline.com>
> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org, cryptography at randombit.net,
> cryptography at metzdowd.com
> Subject: A post-spy world
> Message-ID: <E1XGwYA-0004Z3-DQ at elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
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> "We are moving toward a post-spy world, according to the guy that
> runs the CIA's venture capital arm."
>
> <http://t.co/5eYfbRYU8k>
> http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2014/08/10-ways-make-internet-safe-cyber-attacks/90866/?oref=d-channelriver
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> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:09:52 +0200
> From: rysiek <rysiek at hackerspace.pl>
> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: Update your Tors - Tor security advisory: "relay early"
> traffic confirmation attack
> Message-ID: <3216983.cEZSaLLodi at lapuntu>
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> Dnia poniedziałek, 11 sierpnia 2014 17:24:08 Juan pisze:
> > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 11:13:10 +0200
> >
> > rysiek <rysiek at hackerspace.pl> wrote:
> > > Dnia wtorek, 5 sierpnia 2014 20:31:26 Juan pisze:
> > > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 00:19:17 +0200
> > > >
> > > > rysiek <rysiek at hackerspace.pl> wrote:
> > > > > One of the things I have learnt during the years of my brushing
> > > > > shoulders with Teh Gummint (public consultations, conferences,
> > > > > etc) is that a huge bureaucracy like a government is bound to have
> > > > > conflicting interests and fund/take conflicting actions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Governments are not homogeneous, to say the least.
> > > >
> > > > Governments are pretty homoneneous criminal organizations.
> > > >
> > > > The fact that sometimes different government factions within a
> > > >
> > > > given government quarrel a bit over the spoils is basically
> > > > meaningless, from the point of view of government victims at
> > > > least.
> > >
> > > Well, obviously you haven't much experience with how governments look
> > > from the inside.
> >
> > ...but I do have some inside information about the 'legal
> > system', having been raised by lawyers =P
> >
> > > Ministries and departments have different and conflicting policies
> > > regarding some of their overlapping responsibilities, and the flow of
> > > information is a real problem. Add to that some personal animosities
> > > and ambitions and you get a clusterfuck of an organisation.
> >
> > Yes, all of that is true. I am aware of the fact that there are
> > different factions inside a government. I did explicitly
> > mention that. It doesn't affect my argument(s) though.
> >
> > > A clusterfuck leaving quite a lot of space for projects like Tor.
> >
> > Sorry, but that's circular.
> >
> > You *assume* tor isn't designed as a tool to further imperial
> > american policies and you arrive at the conclusion that there
> > are some 'good guys' in the US government.
>
> No, I didn't say there are any "good guys" (nor that there aren't any, mind
> you). But even between a clusterfuck of "bad guys", each dragging in their
> own
> direction, simply *because* they are dragging all in different directions,
> there might be space for some neat projects.
>
> Think of it as a hack on the system.
>
> Guy A needs total secrecy of communication for their moles in third world
> countries and finances a tool that incidentally is a huge PITA for guy B,
> that
> tries to surveil everything and everybody.
>
> Guy A and guy B are far enough from each other
> (system/hierarchy/department/competence-wise) that they do not co-operate,
> nor
> even know of each other too well. Or: they know of each other and are in a
> state of "cold war" for resources or ambition-related aims.
>
> --
> Pozdr
> rysiek
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:01:54 +0200
> From: rysiek <rysiek at hackerspace.pl>
> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> Subject: SnakeoilMailbox?
> Message-ID: <1604479.NSJMfQmOgd at lapuntu>
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> Hi there,
>
> so, this got sent my way:
> http://securemailbox.com/
>
> It rings several of stef-defined bells for snakeoil, but maybe I don't see
> something? Anybody any info on this?
>
> --
> Pozdr
> rysiek
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> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:01:43 +0000
> From: Anton Nesterov <komachi at openmailbox.org>
> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> Subject: Ukraine passed the bill about sanctions in first reading, it
> give power to close media, websites, and more
> Message-ID: <53EA1037.5090805 at openmailbox.org>
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> It includes many types of sanctions, but most interesting is that ones:
>
> 9) the prohibition or restriction of the retransmission of television
> and radio channels;
> 10) the prohibition to use radio frequency resource of Ukraine;
> 11) the restriction or termination of the media or other information
> activities, including those in the Internet;
> 12) the restriction or prohibition of production or distribution of
> printed materials and other information materials;
> 24) the prohibition of political parties, movements and other civil
> society associations and foundations;
>
> So if that bill will be passed, National Security and Defense Council
> can ban any foreign media, website, foundation, movement, printed
> material, etc. without court.
>
> http://osvita.mediasapiens.ua/material/33612 news report (in Ukrainian)
> http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/webproc4_1?pf3511=51915 text (in
> Ukrainian)
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 08:14:39 -0700
> From: Ryan Carboni <ryacko at gmail.com>
> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org, cryptography at randombit.net
> Subject: Re: [cryptography] A post-spy world
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> John Young, true masterspy.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 1:52 PM, John Young <jya at pipeline.com> wrote:
>
> > "We are moving toward a post-spy world, according to the guy that runs
> > the CIA’s venture capital arm."
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2014/08/10-ways-make-internet-safe-cyber-attacks/90866/?oref=d-channelriver
> > <http://t.co/5eYfbRYU8k>
> >
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