Geoff Stone, Obama's Review Group - Part 2

[Juan Garofalo]

--On Thursday, April 03, 2014 8:12 PM +0000 Cari Machet
<carimachet at gmail.com> wrote:


> 
> yay to think the military would not want to expand its mandate when rummy
> fought so hard for them to get ahead of the cia ... competition is weird
> though it is possible - what are the thoughts on the cia as opposed to the
> military running the drone program in this regard ? the pentagon was gonna
> run it then it was decided no...

	Different government agencies are...just that. Different facets of the
same organization.


> 
> the competition between different agencies in the us is bazzzarrio i
> cannot imagine how they deal with all the subcontractors - i am sure they
> figure out ways to be cruel to them

	There may be some 'competition' in the sense that they have to somehow
divide the spoils 'fairly', but there's isn't any real competition in a
monolithic criminal organization where all people agree on the core statist
philosophy. Including the fucktards who pretend to be 'libertarians' and
advocate 'limited' murder, I mean, 'government'.


> 
> the thing is that there are different entities 'running the show' mostly
> its your good ole transnational corporations and fucking autocrats - basic
> mafia shit the junta aspect of the so called gov is just an arm of the
> transnationals... 

	They are partners. Furthermore, while companies, *in theory* exist only to
serve customers, governments *in theory and practice* exist only to steal,
extort, kidnap, murder, etc. 

>ever been to the straight of hormuz?

	no...

> 
> to put the military beyond the transnationals is beyond naive its complete
> blindness

	I don't. Politicians and 'business leaders' should be both hanged by their
balls.




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>> > However, the pols, and CIA, wanted that very excess,
>> > in particular for spying inside the US, ostensibly banned for the
>> > CIA but now needed for terrorists inside.
>> > 
>> > CIA (long FBI opponents) thought FBI could not cope with inside
>> > terrorists, using 9/11 as an example, and advocated NSA involvement
>> > with its much greater technical capability, but more importantly, its
>> > military-privileged secrecy not susceptible to full congressional
>> > oversight, courts and FOIA.
>> > 
>> > The joint CIA-NSA Special Collection Service (SCS) has
>> > been doing for decades what NSA is now alone accused of doing:
>> > CIA provided the targets, NSA did the technical collection from
>> > those global stations identified by xKeyscore (most in embassies
>> > or nearby).
>> > 
>> > What is bizarre is how little CIA is mentioned in news furor about
>> > NSA, as if NSA did its work in isolation from the IC and without
>> > oversight of the 3 branches.
>> > 
>> > SCS also does burglaries, code snatches, decrypts, doc drops,
>> > stings, ploys, blackmail, the panoply of CIA operations. The increased
>> > civilian target panoply bestowed upon NSA came from CIA demands
>> > channeled through ODNI.
>> > 
>> > Reviewing what little has been released of the Snowden documents
>> > they are quite similar to what SCS has been doing with the addition
>> > of the US as target. FISA had to be rejiggered for the US domain.
>> > 
>> > Most national leaders, like POTUS, are considered to be military
>> > commanders thus fair game for NSA along with CIA. Nothing
>> > exceptional about the recent revelations of spying on chiefs of
>> > state.
>> > 
>> > NSA technical collection capability was developed for the
>> > military, not civilian use. Now expanded to CIA full dominance
>> > territory. FISA had to be rejiggered for using it against civilians.
>> > And is still being rejiggered these days.
>> > 
>> > NSA's recent attempt to slough off Cybercom and return to
>> > its military mission, has been rejected by the civilian overseers
>> > following CIA guidance and fear-mongering of civilians, especially
>> > those inside the US. The last thing CIA and its supporters want
>> > is a revelation of its manipulation of civilian leaders
>> > institutionalized by the 1947 National Security Act (also opposed by
>> > the military).
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