Jim Bell's fiber-optic patent application.

[Jim Bell]

From:  Jim Bell    To:  Travis Biehn

Generally, I'm not worried that government might 'react' to such things.   Government generally 'reacts' slowly, poorly, inaccurately, and ineffectively. And, it generates enemies each time it acts.   Look how the US Govt reacted to PGP1:  Did they actually accomplish anything, other than pissing people off and giving useful publicity to Phil Zimmermann?  How many people have been prosecuted in the last 20 years for 'exporting encryption'?   How did the US Govt react to opposition to their Clipper-chip proposal?  How many Clipper chips are in your devices?  Zero.  

No.  When the government seems to succeed, it is usually because it acted in secret, and thus avoided making enemies and stirring up the opposition.  So generally, I conclude that fighting against the government is well worth the battle, despite the fact that some of us occasionally get heavily stepped-on.    B^)       ("ouch!!!")



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 ..From: Travis Biehn <tbiehn at gmail.com>>
>>Doesn't the bureaucracy just react to these shenanigans rather than quit? Cat + Mouse. They find other methods for coercion. They increase accountability. Make leaks punishable to the CEO directly.
>>Better that it be made 'impossible' rather than part of policy. Since policy is 'worthless'...
On Sep 20, 2013 8:53 PM, "Jim Bell" <jamesdbell8 at yahoo.com> wrote:


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>On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:48 PM, coderman <coderman at gmail.com> wrote:
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>On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Jim Bell <jamesdbell8 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>     To the list members of Cypherpunks:  I, Jim Bell (yes, THAT Jim Bell)
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>>please authenticate yourself with NIST P-192; secp256r1 seeded via Dual_EC_DRBG,
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>>> have just (re-) subscribed to the Cypherpunks list.
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>>note that the "Cypherpunks list" at al-qaeda.net is verboten, having
>>sufficiently instilled fear across a subset of the subscriber base...
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>>> ...  (Pardon me if I don't
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>>> immediately attempt to relate the numerous reason(s) for my unfortunate
>>> 15-year absence.)
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>>pardon the decline in signal to noise ratio over the years as well, if
>>you'd be so kind. ;)
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>>>     Of some relevance to the list is the recent publication (by the US
>>> Patent and Trademark Office, USPTO) of my fiber-optic patent application.
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>>your next task, should you choose to accept it, is to make a fiber
>>that is passive tap protected, while remaining economically viable...
>>good luck!
>>>>"Presumably, this will lead eventually to the same degrees of increases in maximum distances over which quantum encryption could operate."
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>>Evidently he has made what he considers a step in this direction ;)
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>Yes, I understand that a dramatic reduction in loss could accomplish that.  But, as is obvious (particularly recently, with the Snowden revelations) we have far more important, yet basic, vulnerabilities to worry about just now, particularly since the major Internet and telecommunications companies are now known to have been betraying us by letting the NSA keep 'every' email, and telephone metadata, and adding crypto back-doors into net encryption software.
>I propose that the public force such companies to sign what I'd call "Disloyalty oaths", promises to be disloyal to any and every government.  This would include a promise that if subjected to any sort of court order (even and especially those requiring that the company keep silent as to the existence of said order) that the
 order would be 'leaked' shortly, say less than a week, to an organization (Cryptome; Wikileaks) that would publicize it.  Primary methods as crude as leaving a few hundred copies of the order at the company water-cooler, or in the cafeteria, or by the copier, would probably induce volunteer leakers to mail copies to the leak-publication organizations.  Governments and courts have little reason to issue such orders if their existence will be leaked, particularly if they are going to be very quickly leaked.  Leaks, obviously, are very easy to do these days and the identity of the leaker would be very hard to know, and even harder to prove.  Chances are good that such court-orders simply will cease.
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