fuck these guys

shelley at misanthropia.info shelley at misanthropia.info
Wed Nov 6 02:01:46 PST 2013


Thank you for posting this, Eugen.  I would have missed this exchange.

>> "Fuck You" is nice. Service and a court date is a lot nicer.

My sentiments, exactly.  Fuck these guys, indeed.


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013, at 12:56 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> 
> https://plus.google.com/+MikeHearn/posts/LW1DXJ2BK8k
> 
> Mike Hearn Shared publicly  -  Yesterday 10:30 AM #NSA
>  
>  
> The packet capture shown in these new NSA slides shows internal database
> replication traffic for the anti-hacking system I worked on for over two
> years. Specifically, it shows a database recording a user login as part
> of
> this system: 
> 
> http://googleblog.blogspot.ch/2013/02/an-update-on-our-war-against-account.html
> 
> Recently  +Brandon Downey , a colleague of mine on the Google security
> team,
> said (after the usual disclaimers about being personal opinions and not
> speaking for the firm which I repeat here) - "fuck these guys": 
> 
> https://plus.google.com/108799184931623330498/posts/SfYy8xbDWGG 
> 
> I now join him in issuing a giant Fuck You to the people who made these
> slides. I am not American, I am a Brit, but it's no different - GCHQ
> turns
> out to be even worse than the NSA. 
> 
> We designed this system to keep criminals out . There's no ambiguity
> here.
> The warrant system with skeptical judges, paths for appeal, and rules of
> evidence was built from centuries of hard won experience. When it works,
> it
> represents as good a balance as we've got between the need to restrain
> the
> state and the need to keep crime in check. Bypassing that system is
> illegal
> for a good reason . 
> 
> Unfortunately we live in a world where all too often, laws are for the
> little
> people. Nobody at GCHQ or the NSA will ever stand before a judge and
> answer
> for this industrial-scale subversion of the judicial process. In the
> absence
> of working law enforcement,  we therefore do what internet engineers have
> always done - build more secure software. The traffic shown in the slides
> below is now all encrypted and the work the NSA/GCHQ staff did on
> understanding it, ruined. 
> 
> Thank you Edward Snowden. For me personally, this is the most interesting
> revelation all summer.
> 
> How we know the NSA had access to internal Google and Yahoo cloud data
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/11/04/how-we-know-the-nsa-had-access-to-internal-google-and-yahoo-cloud-data/

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