request for transcript: Bruce Schneier and Eben Moglen discuss a post-Snowden Internet

[Cari Machet]

tonight in the us of agh  on 60 minutes they had on a giant ad for the NSA

fr what i understand alexander has his office set up as star trek battleship

and this was really weird they do standing meetings with a blue light on
where he gets a report read to him - they gave the appearance of children
playing a game

they said every summer they have high school student interns break code for
them and they are highly successful

i just wonder if ppl are thinking about the bio sphere at all in terms of
some sort of 'encryption' method i mean if we can work outside of the
little box they have made for themselves (and us) then  mayb things r
movable?

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On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Juan Garofalo <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> --On Monday, December 16, 2013 12:27 AM -0800 coderman <coderman at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Juan Garofalo <juan.g71 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> [ a lot of things ... ]
> >
> > this is all coming to a few conclusions, where we simply disagree:
> >
> > a) the black budget was leaked, along with other leaks about technical
> > capabilities and programs and priorities.  intelligence community is
> > not immune to government budget pressure.  you insist there is a
> > limitless expansion, and an unlimited technical ability.  i disagree.
>
>
>         I didn't say limitless. If it sounded that way, let me rephrase to
> :
>
>         Governments can spend a lot more money than a 'for-profit'
> enterprise in a
> (hypothetical) free market. Private firms go bankrupt. Governments and
> their 'agencies' usually don't.
>
>         I'd be surprised if you disagreed too much with that =P
>
>
>
> >
> > b) you insist Tor's origins and funding sources are proof of
> > malfeasance;
>
>         I didn't say it's direct proof. I do say they are (highly)
> suspect. But
> that was an aside.
>
>
>         My point here is that the assertion (paraphrasing)
>
>         "the nsa doesn't play the global passive adversary game against
> tor" is
> unfounded.
>
>         Schneier flatly said "they can't break tor" - which is something
> you don't
> even agree as far as I can tell, but you regard as too costly (rather than
> impossible)
>
>
>
> > they've responded by diversifying funding. (not to
> > mention scrutiny of Tor by external, mututally un-trusting parties.
> > you can look at the code yourself, and interface with controller and
> > path construction yourself, etc.)
> >
> > c) we both appear to agree that limiting solutions to technical realms
> > is missing the bigger picture.  yes to political reform that cuts
> > funding and restricts scope. yes to judicial reforms which demolish
> > secret orders and secret courts. yes to social measures which value
> > and reinforce privacy. yes to educational efforts which empower
> > individuals to make privacy positive decisions, etc.
> >
> > last but not least, i second the call to fix it.  help write something
> > better!
>
>
>         Yes, I want to write a one time pad for an arm microcontroller (in
> assembler) - OK, that doesn't fix the traffic analysis problem that  tor is
> supposed to address, but seems to be a nice solution for encryption that
> even the NSA can't break =P
>
>
> J.
>
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