Conservative Poll hard against National ID No-one likes the concept of the National-ID card... that's a given. However, for all intensive purposes, we have had a national ID system for many years. A police officer, requesting your social security number, or using the driver's license to obtain the SSN as required for a license, can display everything about you down to credit, criminal, run-ins with child protective services, domestic altercations, arrests that did not result in convictions.... What is the difference in the current ID system rather than a standardized national-ID card which contains biometric information which has the additional "benefit" of protecting you from identity theft? However, implantable ID? that's "mark of the beast". What I do object to is adding credit, criminal, CPS, religion, etc type data to the contents of the card --that should be on a need-to-know basis by those involved who will not he hindered either way --just establish ID beyond a doubt. However, it is equally critical, if not more so, that they implement an alien identity card. Refusing to implement a National-ID card only benefits the aliens who survive quite nicely on fake ID. Biometric ID would be registered and identifiable --forgery would be impossible (or would be until you consider political graft). Given the computer proliferation of personal data in the last 20 years, we were right on schedule for 1984 as it was. If the data access is going to be out there, might as well do it correctly and establish who has right to access from the gate --and make it a three or four-tiered implementation: citizens, resident aliens, non-resident aliens, and visitors. Sure, no-one wants ID, but we already have it, fakes and all; secondly, failure to produce ID currently means detention under the "John Doe" rules which technically means three hots and a cot until you can conclusively prove who you are --there is no requirement to grant bail. At least Larry Ellison is beating the Evil Empire to the punch. Aw, shit, why don't we just round up all the towel heads, liberals, and other troublemakers and get on with our lives? attila out... ID, OR NOT ID What do you think of national identity cards? WND poll with about 5,000 votes cast: Under no circumstance will I accept one 37.46% What's next, implants on my head or hand 24.18% Dangers outweigh benefits 11.96% Founding fathers would be rolling over 7.55% Benefits outweigh dangers 5.19% George Orwell would be proud 5.06% Great idea, stamp me up today 3.69% OK in fight against terrorism 2.97% Doesn't matter either way 1.02% Other 0.93%