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   I also own a Para-Ordnance P10, a subcompact 1911 variant with a
   3-inch barrel, a 2 finger grip (unless you have the Pearce magazine
   floorplates with the pinkie rest) and a 10-round magazine. I am fond
   of it, and can shoot approximately 2" groups with it at 10 yards. I
   think it would be a decent choice for general self-defense, but I
   wouldn't really want to use it against an armored opponent since a
   .45 ACP's relatively low velocity and large frontal area equate to
   poor armor penetration. It is certainly lighter and more concealable
   than my Desert Eagle, though.

   Of course a MAK-90 with a 75-round drum has merit in a scenario
   involving armored home invaders...

   - -----Original Message-----
   From: cubic-dog [[1]mailto:dog3@charc.net]
   Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:33 PM
   To: cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com
   Subject: Re: CDR: RE: Automatic's

   On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, David Honig wrote:

   > At 04:07 PM 6/8/01 -0700, Jonathan Wienke wrote:
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   > >I can fire 9 shots in about 4 seconds and stay in the 9 ring of a
   > >B-27 silhouette at 10 yards, and slow fire I can neatly remove the
   > >X-ring at the same distance...I don't think it would be a bad
   > >option against an armored opponent--2 in the body to knock them on
   > >their
   >
   > Yawn.  Take off your glasses, shoot with your off-hand, at pigs
   > in flak, then talk to me.

   I'ma M1911 man myself. I have fired this weapon in question
   and found it quite agreeable. I was pretty amazed. I thought
   they were just toys for rich kids.

   However, if you need a rifle, take a rifle.

   For the bulk of that thing, might was well carry
   a carbine.

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