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Cari Machet carimachet at gmail.com
Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 PST 2019


>Law mother fucking suit ... i will contact my lawyer friends - see if anyo=
ne thinks you have standing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Don't bother. =C2=A0It was somewhat of a joke for me to menti=
on the "story royalty" line. =C2=A0 Since having spent thousands of hours i=
n Federal prison law libraries, I studied many different areas of law, far =
beyond criminal law and appeals, including copyright law. =C2=A0I am not aw=
are that copyright law would protect such an idea. =C2=A0If I had written a=
 play or a script for a movie, THAT would be my own under copyright law. =
=C2=A0But not merely the underlying idea. =C2=A0Now, nothing would prevent =
one of these studios from giving me some sort of credit on a line at the en=
d of the show, but they wouldn't owe me money legally. =C2=A0I am much more=
 upset that they took TWENTY FUCKING YEARS to steal the idea, than the fact=
 they 'stole' it.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I should also take the opportunity to point out that I wrote =
my AP essay independently from, and completely unaware of, the previous dis=
cussions by Tim May and Robin Hanson. =C2=A0(I didn't even have Internet ac=
cess, except as a portal, until mid-1995, and was entirely unaware of the C=
ypherpunks list; =C2=A0AP part one was actually published here by somebody =
else.).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The major differences included: =C2=A0Tim May and Robin Hanso=
n both referred to the idea, the one that would one day be seen as "assassi=
nation markets", as being "abhorrent markets". =C2=A0See Cyphernomicon 16.1=
6.4. That they were repelled by the idea, presumably, is one reason they di=
dn't rhetorically follow the concept out to its ultimate, logical outcome. =
=C2=A0I, on the other hand, and totally unaware of their work, thought that=
 assassination markets would actually be a truly wonderful idea, precisely =
because of their capability to destroy governments, make militaries unneces=
sary and indeed impossible to maintain (critically, including nuclear weapo=
ns), and completely replace the current 'criminal justice system' with a fa=
r-fairer alternative. =C2=A0THEY merely stuck their big toes into the cold =
pool, whereas I did a belly-flop. =C2=A0(With the accompanying pain, <sigh>=
). =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 They probably started out by thinking something like, "If per=
son A can anonymously hire person B to kill person C, that could lead to mi=
schief." =C2=A0Sure it could. =C2=A0But I approached the problem differentl=
y: =C2=A0I saw that very few people would want to pay, say, $10,000 to buy =
someone else's death. =C2=A0But I immediately also saw that 10,000 people m=
ight want to pay $1 each for that outcome. =C2=A0That amounts to a crowdsou=
rced decision, with its accompanying advantages and benefits. =C2=A0And I a=
lso saw that such a functioning system would deter virtually everything whi=
ch we call wrong in today's society. =C2=A0Anybody who is trying to argue a=
gainst an AP-type system is inherently attempting to defend the hugely flaw=
ed status quo, even if they don't realize that.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I also solved David Friedman's "Hard problem", see his book, =
"The Machinery of Freedom", =C2=A0the previously-assumed difficulty or impo=
ssibility of providing for the defense of a fully libertarian or anarchisti=
c society. =C2=A0Perhaps my big advantage was that I didn't know Friedman's=
 "Hard Problem" even existed, at least under that label, until long after I=
'd already solved it.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jim Bell



  
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rpunks at cpunks.org>; jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> <br> <b id=3D"yu=
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e: The Black List<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"y=
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ui_3_16_0_1_1446229456410_56547"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144622=
9456410_56549">>Law mother fucking suit ... i will contact my lawyer fri=
ends - see if anyone thinks you have standing</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1446229456410_56549"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_=
0_1_1446229456410_56549">    Don't bother.  It was somewhat =
of a joke for me to mention the "story royalty" line.   Since having s=
pent thousands of hours in Federal prison law libraries, I studied many dif=
ferent areas of law, far beyond criminal law and appeals, including copyrig=
ht law.  I am not aware that copyright law would protect such an idea.=
  If I had written a play or a script for a movie, THAT would be my ow=
n under copyright law.  But not merely the underlying idea.  Now,=
 nothing would prevent one of these studios from giving me some sort of cre=
dit on a line at the end of the show, but they wouldn't owe me money legall=
y.  I am much more upset that they took TWENTY FUCKING YEARS to steal =
the idea, than the fact they 'stole' it.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_=
16_0_1_1446229456410_56549"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
446229456410_56549">    I should also take the opportunity to poi=
nt out that I wrote my AP essay independently from, and completely unaware =
of, the previous discussions by Tim May and Robin Hanson.  (I didn't e=
ven have Internet access, except as a portal, until mid-1995, and was entir=
ely unaware of the Cypherpunks list;  AP part one was actually publish=
ed here by somebody else.).</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144622=
9456410_56549"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446229456410_=
56549">    The major differences included:  Tim May and Robi=
n Hanson both referred to the idea, the one that would one day be seen as "=
assassination markets", as being "abhorrent markets".  See Cyphernomic=
on 16.16.4. That they were repelled by the idea, presumably, is one reason =
they didn't rhetorically follow the concept out to its ultimate, logical ou=
tcome.  I, on the other hand, and totally unaware of their work, thoug=
ht that assassination markets would actually be a truly wonderful idea, pre=
cisely because of their capability to destroy governments, make militaries =
unnecessary and indeed impossible to maintain (critically, including nuclea=
r weapons), and completely replace the current 'criminal justice system' wi=
th a far-fairer alternative.  THEY merely stuck their big toes into th=
e cold pool, whereas I did a belly-flop.  (With the accompanying pain,=
 <sigh>).  </div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14462294564=
10_56549"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446229456410_56549=
">    They probably started out by thinking something like, "If p=
erson A can anonymously hire person B to kill person C, that could lead to =
mischief."  Sure it could.  But I approached the problem differen=
tly:  I saw that very few people would want to pay, say, $10,000 to bu=
y someone else's death.  But I immediately also saw that 10,000 people=
 might want to pay $1 each for that outcome.  That amounts to a crowds=
ourced decision, with its accompanying advantages and benefits.  And I=
 also saw that such a functioning system would deter virtually everything w=
hich we call wrong in today's society.  Anybody who is trying to argue=
 against an AP-type system is inherently attempting to defend the hugely fl=
awed status quo, even if they don't realize that.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446229456410_56549"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1446229456410_56549">    I also solved David Friedman's =
"Hard problem", see his book, "The Machinery of Freedom",  the previou=
sly-assumed difficulty or impossibility of providing for the defense of a f=
ully libertarian or anarchistic society.  Perhaps my big advantage was=
 that I didn't know Friedman's "Hard Problem" even existed, at least under =
that label, until long after I'd already solved it. </div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446229456410_56549">     <br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446229456410_56549">    &nbs=
p;            Jim Bell</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
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