Your e-mail to Murray Kahl re The Jewish Left in America vs The

[Ratzlav-Katz]

Christian Right 
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:33:11 +0200 

Well, Bob, I am glad you answered my e-mail.

What makes your philosophy an interesting combination of right-wing  politics 
and anti-Semitism is that throughout your answers, you still insist on 
singling out the Jews for special treatment, which is CONTRARY to my 
understanding of right-wing, merit-based philosophy - with your only  reason 
for it being "they got money" - like some jealous, Communist  revolutionary. 
If a certain group is more successful than another - like the Orientals  in 
America as opposed to the Blacks, for instance - that is the strength  of an 
open, free market society like America.

Secondly, Jews support lots of things.  A Jewish left-winger supports  the 
Rainbow Coalition for the same inane, stupid reasons that any Boston  white, 
Anglo-Saxon liberal supports it. You, however, insinuate some  conspiratorial 
plan by Jews to destroy America. You are wrong. Ditto for world  government - 
Jews are not in a conspiracy to take over the world. That implies a  special 
evil motivation for Jews (i.e., anti-Semitism). I reapeat: Jews who  support 
leftist insanities support them for the same reason that anyone else of  any 
other ethnicity does.

What if I told you that most Americans of Italian background support  liberal 
immigration laws? You'd find a reason - they want to make sure their 
relatives can get in and join them, etc.Would you say "AHAH! They are  trying 
to take over America for a renewed fascist Italy!" Jews are motivated  by the 
same things anyone else is.

Thirdly, targeting Jews for extermination because they are taking over  the 
world (or America)... that is ancient, classical anti-Semitism exactly  for 
the reasons I listed above.

As for Israel. It is the fulfillment of the prophesy of the ingathering  of 
the exiles. Zionism seeks one thing: a Jewish State where Jews will be  able 
to take their destiny in their own hands. I don't care what your friend  told 
you. It was either a wishful, lefty, John Lennon, peace and love speech  that 
he assumed is an insidious plan for world conquest (which is what most  of 
these conspiracy theories are) or he is making up nonsense. Zionism is  the 
OPPOSITE of one-world government - it demands that Jews have an  independent, 
separate state, where most Jews will live. That is a call for yet  another 
national entity, not an international one. You'll just have to trust me  that 
you cannot lecture me about Zionism or Judaism or Israeli history or policies.

[ IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ORTHODOX JEWS WERE NEARLY ALL OPPOSED TO 
ZIONISM BECAUSE THEY INTERPRETED PROPHECY TO SAY THAT ISRAEL WOULD NOT BE A 
NATION AGAIN UNTIL THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF 
HISTORY THAT ZIONISM WAS STARTED AND PROMOTED BY ATHEIST RUSSIAN JEWS WHO 
WERE MARXISTS. ]

If you oppose Jewish national sovereignty, then the burden is on you to  show 
why you support other national sovereignties. Mostly, in fact, it is leftist, 
internationalist, pie in the sky types who are anti-Israel,  because they are 
anti-nationalism of any kind. But YOU are pro-nationalist. So  if you are in 
favor of all other nationalisms, but the Jewish one, then  that is, again, 
anti-Semitism, just from the perspective of logic. Also, the rabbis who were 
against Zionism in the 1800's were indeed fearful of  the secularism of most, 
but not all, of its founders. However, there were  three groups. Those 
opposed, those in favor and the majority, who were  silent, reserving 
judgement. Nowadays, there is only a small insignificant sect  who calls for 
the absolute dismantling of Israel - and even THEY claim to believe it should 
be done peacefully. The Jewish groups that tend to  support Arab violence 
against Israel, on the other hand, are EXACTLY those  leftists that you so 
despise! Getting confusing, isn't it?


[ IT IS TRUE THAT THE ORTHODOX JEWS HAVE NEARLY ALL BEEN CO-OPTED TO SUPPORT 
ZIONISM NOW. BUT WE SHALL SEE IF THIS WAS INDEED A SATANIC PLOT OR A G-D 
BLESSED PLOT. THE LAST CHAPTER IS NOT YET WRITTEN. ALSO, SINCE I AM VERY 
HOSTILE TO ISLAM I WOULD MORE GLADLY SUPPORT ISRAEL AS A BULWARK AGAINST 
ISLAM, BUT THE ANTI-CHRISTIAN BIGOTRY OF THE LEFT-WING AMERICAN JEWS CONFUSES 
MY LOYALTIES. ]

Finally, I live in Israel, man. How would you feel if I said that it  should 
have been the "People's Republic" of Massachusetts (where I went to  school) 
that was hit by Bin Laden, killing thousands, just to "wake up the  liberals 
there."?

[ WELL IN RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU WROTE IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE, I MUST SAY THAT 
IF I WAS A JEW WHO LIVED IN ISRAEL, I WOULD BE A 100% MILITANT RIGHT-WINGER. 
I WOULD UTTERLY CRUSH ARAFAT AND I WOULD FORCIBLY REMOVE THE PALESTINIANS TO 
SYRIA, IRAQ, IRAN OR WHERE EVER AND I WOULD DO ALL OF THIS WITH NO APOLOGY. 
HOWEVER, IF I WAS A PALESTINIAN, I WOULD KILL AS MANY JEWS AS I COULD. I 
WOULD HATE THE JEWS AND REGARD THEM AS FOREIGN INVADERS WHO MUST BE REMOVED 
BY WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY, INCLUDING TERRORISM. AS A CHRISTIAN, MY 
LOYALTIES NORMALLY WOULD GO FIRST TO SUPPORTING JEWS AGAINST ISLAM, BUT MY 
ANGER AT WHAT THE LEFT-WING JEWS ARE DOING TO AMERICA HAS ME SOMEWHAT 
FLUMOXED. ]

Incidentally, "messianic Jews" are an insult to Christianity and  Judaism. If 
you do respect Orthodox Judaism, you will respect that you cannot  combine 
true Judaism with true Christianity. There are anti-missionizing laws  on the 
books in Israel. That applies to Hare Krishna just as much as to Jews  for 
Jesus. No Christian in Israel is targeted because he is a Christian.  There 
are Christians (and other non-Jews) in all sectors of Israeli society  (incl. 
the army, the government, business). The claim of oppression of  Christians 
in Israel is just wrong (do you read Josef Farah? He is an Arab and a 
religious Christian - and pro-Israel. He edits WorldNetDaily.com).

[ REGARDING "MESSIANIC JEWS." THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY JEWS. JESUS 
WAS A JEW. THE APOSTLE'S PAUL & PETER & JOHN & MARK & MATTHEW WERE ALL JEWS. 
CHRISTIANITY IS A JEWISH RELIGION. CHRISTIANITY WAS ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY JEWISH 
IN IT'S EARLY YEARS - SO - YOU ARE WRONG TO SAY THAT "MESSIANIC JEWS" ARE AN 
INSULT TO CHRISTIANITY. THOSE ANTI-MISSIONIZING LAWS ARE EVIL AND BIGOTED 
UNLESS YOU ADVOCATE THAT EVERY NATION SHOULD BE ABLE TO WRITE LAWS FAVORING 
THE SELECTED "STATE" RELIGION. YOU SOUND LIKE THE TALIBAN WHEN YOU ADVOCATE 
SUPPORT FOR "ANTI-MISSIONIZING" LAWS. BTW, YES, I READ AND LOVE JOE FARAH. 
JOE IS PRO-ISRAEL, JUST LIKE ALL PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS IN AMERICA USED TO BE. 
I AM TRYING TO CHANGE THAT. I AM WORKING TO TURN CHRISTIANS AGAINST THE 
LEFT-WING JEWS IN AMERICA OUT OF A MOTIVE OF SELF-DEFENSE BECAUSE OF WHAT 
THESE JEWS ARE DOING TO US CHRISTIANS IN AMERICA. ]

That is why I say, stick to defeating liberal IDEAS - do not allow  yourself 
to be drawn by conspiracy theories that depend on a certain ethnic  group all 
working together to take over the world. What is true is that common problems 
lead to common solutions.

[ I AM ONLY FOCUSING ON THE JEWS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LEADERS OF NEARLY ALL 
OF THE ANTI-CHRISTIAN GROUPS IN AMERICA. ]

Once you stop singling out Jews and start singling out wrong-headed,  liberal 
ideas alone, you might earn some respect from more right-wing Jews,  like 
myself. 

---------- 
Nissan R.

[ STICK MY HEAD IN THE SAND AND PRETEND I DO NOT SEE WHAT THE LEFT-WING JEWS 
ARE DOING TO AMERICA... IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME TO DO? ARE YOU 
TELLING ME THAT I SHOULD NOT WRITE OR TALK ABOUT WHAT THESE LEFT-WING JEWS 
ARE DOING TO AMERICA? 

PS - YOU CLAIM TO BE RIGHT WING, BUT I SUSPECT YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF ABORTION 
RIGHTS, TOLERANCE OF HOMOSEXUALS AND PERHAPS EVEN SOME SOCIALISM SUCH AS 
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE OR SOCIAL SECURITY TYPE RETIREMENT PROGRAMS. TELL ME IT 
IS NOT TRUE. I AM BCC'NG THIS TO 150 PEOPLE ON MY PERSONAL EMAIL LIST. 

SHALOM, BOB FROM MICHIGAN.]





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