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Subject: Clipper Chip


Most of you have seen the announcement in Friday's NY Times,
etc. about NIST (National Institute of Standards & Technology)
announcing the "Clipper Chip" crypto device. Several messges
on the net have asked for more technical details, and some have
been laboring under understandable misunderstandings given
the lack of details in the news  articles. So here to help out
is your friendly NSA link: me. I was somewhat surprised Friday
to get a call from the Agency which supplied many of the missing
details. I was told the info was public, so here it is (the cc of this
to Dennis Branstad at NIST is mostly as a double check on my
facts since I assume he is aware of all this; please let me know
if I have anything wrong):

The Clipper Chip will have a secret crypto algorithm embedded in 
Silicon. Each chip will have two secret, 80-bit keys. One will be the 
same for all chips (ie a system-wide key) and the other will be unit 
specific. I don't know what NIST and NSA will call them, but I will 
call them the system key SK and unit key UK in this message. 
The IC will be designed to be extremely difficult to reverse so 
that the system key can be kept secret. (Aside: It is clear that 
they also want to keep the algorithm secret and, in my opinion, 
it may be as much for that as this stated purpose.) The unit key 
will be generated as the XOR of two 80-bit random numbers K1 
and K2 (UK=K1+K2) which will be kept by the two escrow 
authorities. Who these escrow authorities will be is still to be 
decided by the Attorney General, but it was stressed to me that 
they will NOT be NSA or law enforcement agencies, that they 
must be parties acceptable to the users of the system as unbiased. 
When a law enforcement agency gets a court order, they will 
present it to these two escrow authorities and receive K1 and 
K2, thereby allowing access to the unit key UK.

In addition to the system key, each user will get to choose his 
or her own key and change it as often as desired. Call this key 
plain old K. When a message is to be sent it will first be 
encrypted under K, then K will be encrypted under the unit key UK, 
and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part 
message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK 
producing

     E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number;  SK}

When a court order obtains K1 and K2, and thence K, the law 
enforcement agency will use SK to decrypt all information 
flowing on the suspected link [Aside: It is my guess that 
they may do this constantly on all links, with or without a 
court order, since it is almost impossible to tell which links 
over which a message will flow.] This gives the agency access to 

     E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number

in the above message. They then check the serial number 
of the unit and see if it is on the "watch list" for which they 
have a court order. If so, they will decrypt E[K; UK] to obtain K, 
and then decrypt E[M; K] to obtain M.

I am still in the process of assessing this scheme, so please do 
not take the above as any kind of endorsement of the proposed 
scheme. All I am trying to do is help all of us assess the scheme 
more knowledgably. But I will say that the need for just one court 
order worries me. I would feel more comfortable (though not 
necessarily comfortable!) if two separate court orders were 
needed, one per escrow authority. While no explanation is
needed, the following story adds some color: In researching
some ideas that Silvio Micali and I have been kicking around,
I spoke with Gerald Gunther, the constitutional law expert
here at Stanford and he related the following story: When
Edward Levi became Pres. Ford's attorney general (right
after Watergate), he was visited by an FBI agent asking
for "the wiretap authorizations." When Levy asked for
the details so he could review the cases as required by
law, the agent told him that his predecessors just turned
over 40-50 blank, signed forms every time. Levi did not
comply and changed the system, but the lesson is clear: 
No single person or authority should have the power to
authorize wiretaps (or worse yet, divulging of personal
keys). Sometimes he or she will be an Edward Levi
and sometimes a John Mitchell.

Martin Hellman

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Here's a follow-up note from Hellman, in response to a question I sent
(and also in response to my request to post his original note to
netnews).

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From: "Martin Hellman" <hellman at isl.stanford.edu>
To: smb at research.att.com
Subject: Re: Clipper Chip

It is fine to post my previous message to sci.crypt 
if you also post this message with it in which:

1. I ask recipients to be sparse in their requesting further info 
from me or asking for comments on specific questions. By
this posting I apologize for any messages I am unable to
respond to. (I already spend too much time answering too much
e-mail and am particularly overloaded this week with other
responsibilities.) 

2. I note a probably correction sent to me by Dorothy Denning.
She met with the person from NSA that
I talked with by phone, so her understanding is likely to
better than mine on this point: Where I said the transmitted
info is  E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number;  SK}
she says the message is not double encrypted. The system
key (or family key as she was told it is called) only encrypts
the serial number or the serial number and the encrypted
unit key. This is not a major difference, but I thought it
should be mentioned and thank her for bringing it to
my attention. It makes more sense since it cuts down
on encryption computation overhead.

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From: Dave Birch

Press Release.

Hyperion have been working with Mondex International to develop a
smartcard-based electronic cash service which will be launched in the UK in
1995.
Mondex has been invented as an alternative to cash.  At the heart of the
system is a plastic smart card which stores electronic cash value.  Mondex
customers will be able to use specially adapted NatWest and Midland cash
machines (ATMs) or a new generation of BT telephones to transfer cash between
their bank accounts and their cards.
Once funds have been transferred onto the customer's Mondex card it can be
used to make purchases up to the total cash value held on the card or to make
payments by telephone.  The card can be used to make purchases for large or
small amounts.
Mondex cards can be locked by the cardholder and unlocked by using a personal
code.  Once locked, the money in the card cannot be spent without re-keying
this personal code.  Shoppers will not need to sign anything when using the
card and there will be no need for authorisation calls; the customer's card is
inserted into the terminal and the value is instantly moved from the card to
the terminal.  With Mondex, retailers will not have to account to the bank for
each individual transaction; their electronic terminal will simply accumulate
the total value of Mondex transactions, which can be banked by telephone line
at any time.
Cardholders will be able to check how much cash they have left on their card
at ATMs, a new range of BT payphones and home phones or by using a small
key-ring sized personal reader.  A pocket-sized electronic wallet will show
cash available as well as providing a record of the last ten transactions.  It
can also be used for transferring money from one card to another or for
transferring cash into the wallet for safer-keeping at home.  The card is
designed to be used by children as young as 5.
In summary, among the benefits consumers will see are: 24-hour electronic cash
at Mondex phones which may be available at home, in shops or at work and a
convenient, simple to operate alternative to cash that is inherently safer to
carry.  Retailers and other cash handling business will benefit from an
efficient, faster, and more secure way of handling money that is economic to
operate.
In 1990, National Westminster needed a consultancy capable of translating
radical business ideas into reality.  They chose Hyperion.  We have provided
resources to assist in:
*       The development of requirements, functional specifications and
architectural specifications for a variety of services.
*       The development of software specifications for a large variety of
components.
*       The management of software implementations, performed by developers
commissioned by National Westminster Bank.
*       The management of testing and integration activities, including the
development of rigorous test specifications derived from the structured
analysis and design of products.
Hyperion's considerable expertise in the practical analysis and specification
of highly secure financial systems is well known and this appointment has
confirmed their position as world leaders in electronic payment systems
consultancy, following on as it does from their work for organisations such as
the Bank of England, APACS and SWIFT.

Notes for Editors-Why is this interesting?
1.  This is believed to be the world's first implementation of general
purpose, person-to-person electronic money-a genuine replacement for notes and
coins.
2.  Since electronic money works over the telephone, for the first time in
history people can exchange cash without being in the same place at the same
time.
3.  Recent figures show the cost to UK banks of moving cash around is
approximately 4.5Bn/annum.
4.  A senior NatWest executive predicted that in 10-15 years' time, the
telephone will be the dominant way in which electronic money is deposited and
withdrawn.
5.  Analysts estimate that the service, if successful, will add around
100M/annum to BT revenues (The Times, 9th December 1993).

Notes for Editors-Mondex
Mondex International is a joint venture between National Westminster Bank (the
UK's largest retail bank) and Midland Bank (part of the Hong Kong and Shanghai
Banking Corporation).  They are working with BT in the UK to introduce
domestic service next year, beginning with a trial in Swindon.
National Westminster will be actively seeking banking partners worldwide to
establish Mondex as the basis for a global electronic cash payment scheme.
A number of international technology companies, including Dai Nippon Printing
Co. Ltd., Hitachi Limited, NCR, Panasonic (Matsushita Electric
Industrial/Matsushita Battery), Oki Electric Industry Company Limited, SPOM
Japan Co. Ltd., and Texas Instruments Limited are working with National
Westminster developing suitable components and equipment for the Mondex
product.
The public launch of the service will take place in Swindon in 1995.  All
40,000 of the banks' customers will be eligible and the banks plan to have all
1,000 or so retailers in Swindon taking part.

Notes for Editors-Hyperion
Hyperion is an information technology management consultancy based on the
Surrey Research Park.  The company, founded in 1985, employs 19 people and is
currently growing at around 30% per annum.
The company has a worldwide reputation: in recent months, their consultants
have been on assignment in the US, Japan, Belgium, Switzerland, Nigeria, South
Africa and France.  Their clients include the world's largest computer
company, (IBM) and the world's largest communications company, (AT&T) as well
as household names such as Sainsbury's, Nationwide Anglia and the London Stock
Exchange.
The company has close links with leading research institutions.  Since 1987
they have sponsored M.Sc research at the University of Surrey and are
currently funding Ph.D research into business re-engineering at City
University in London.
For further details, please contact:

David Birch
Director, Business Development
Hyperion
8 Frederick Sanger Road
Surrey Research Park
Guildford
Surrey  GU2 5YD
National

Telephone (0483) 301793
Fax (0483) 61657
International

Telephone +44 (483) 301793
Fax +44 (483) 61657

E-Mail: 100014,3342 at Compuserve.com
ENDS.


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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 08:40:04-800
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"We have met the enemy, and he is us."

--Tim May

Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside"

We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that ain't
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tcmay at got.net | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information
markets
Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments.

"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information
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The 'Mark of the Toad'.
That's what the Channel Government's news releases had called
his grandfather's tattoo when they had displayed it in 3D color
on GraphiCubes around the world. Jonathan's grandfather had the
tattoo done in an era when there was little danger associated
with being a member of the loosely-knit crypto-anarchists group
known as the CypherPunks.

Even after the beginning stages of InfoWar stirred its ugly head,
Jonathan's grandfather refused to have his tattoo removed, as
did most of the original CypherPunks list members. He considered
it a badge of honor. For Jonathan, however, the Mark of the Toad
had remained a mark of disgrace, forcing his family to flee for
their lives and change their identities.
Jonathan had managed to rise above all of this and put it behind
him, becoming a normal, accepted member of the society around
him. Now, however, his life of normality was being threatened.

Toad.com.
The original home of the CypherPunks mailing list.

Jonathan had recognized the format of the message header immediately,
having seen many like it in his grandfather's study as a child.
Normally, only the Masters of Antiquity would be capable of discerning
this header to be from a bygone era when InterNet transmissions
were still carried largely over land-lines, but even they would
probably not recognize the significance of the date, which was
burned into Jonathan's mind from the countless hours he had spent
poring over CypherPunks messages that he had purloined from his
grandfather's hidden files.

January 19, 1997.
The beginning date of the 'moderation experiment' on the legendary
CypherPunks mailing list. The beginning probe in preparation for
the launching of InfoWar-an experiment which had failed miserably
and had caused a delay in the plans of the Evil One. A delay caused
by the damnable insolence of the terminal misfits among the CypherPunks.
An insolence that was rumored to be fueled by the Circle of Eunuchs,
fanning the 'flames' of dissent among the CypherPunks, helping
them to resist the herding of their list members into the group-mindset
desired by the Evil One.

Jonathan sat frozen in his seat, once again, his brain locked
from the major dichotomies being produced as a result of his present-in
which the CypherPunks were a villainous band of rogues who had
instigated the launching of Channel War II-and his past, in which
his grandfather had been exposed both as one of the major players
in both the launching of Channel War II, and as traitorous scum
who had sabotaged the goals of the CypherPunks in that same historical
battle.
Jonathan's grandfather wasn't just a CypherPunk. He was the Fool.

Jonathan reached for a bottle of Jim Beam and, in doing so, realized
that he had subconsciously come to a decision. He would seek out
Bubba Rom Dos.

He would seek out the Circle of Eunuchs.


Chapter 1 - Arnold / Chapter 2 - Jonathan









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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
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sometime next year."

>Anonymous wrote:
> > The "Not-News Gorilla NutWork" was rocket-launched
in the Mohave Desert
> > early yesterday morning by a rag-tag bunch of paramilitarist
computer
> > gurus who unveiled an InterNet Bill of Bytes that included
the words,
> > "MicroSoft shall make no laws..."

Steven Vonder Haar wrote, the very next day:
> Microsoft Corp. has tabled plans to include new technology
in its
> Internet Explorer 4.0 browser that would have made "news"
oriented
> sites exempt from content rating standards promoted for use
on the
> Internet.

>Anonymous wrote:
> > Angered by a self-appointed council of computer industry
magnates who
> > have announced their intention to seize fascist control
of the quickly
> > burgeoning Information Highway by controlling the definition
of all
> > information, the rebels set up a shooting range which
contained a wide
> > variety of targets ranging from copies of the Wall Street
Journal to
> > life-sized cardboard cut-outs of a hooded figure referred
to only as,
> > "a billionaire to be named later."

Steven Vonder Haar wrote, the very next day:
> RSAC President C. Dianne Martin said Microsoft is running
out of time
> to implement the separate designation for news sites before
the launch
> of the 4.0 version of Explorer later this year.

>Anonymous wrote:
> > "We have decided on two classes of ratings."
explained a tassel-
> > haired young woman as she slid shells into a Winchester
Defender
> > sitting on her lap. "On..." she said, lifting
the shotgun with one
> > hand, then liberating the hooded head from a nearby
cardboard cut-out,
> > before turning back to say, with a Cheshire grin, "...and
off."

Steven Vonder Haar wrote, the very next day:
> However, the company
> plans to include the news designation in the 5.0 version
of Explorer
> when it is made available..."likely sometime next year."


There wasn't much doubt that 'Nobody' was pointing out to one
and all that the Internet Content Coalition was under siege, and
that the opening salvo by 'Anonymous' had brought the largest
corporation in history to its knees, in surrender.
A bold claim, but would this declaration of war in the battle
of the giants to seize control of the official reigns of news
and information on the InterNet be backed up in the end, by across
the board results?

A Player To Be Named Later pored over a FreeAmerica report on
the resurrection of the Inslaw ghosts in the mid-1990's.
Federal Corruption
INSLAW 
Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995

Congressman Jack Brooks of Texas has opened a new investigation
into the INSLAW case. Brooks is investigating allegations that
Justice Department officials, including Meese, conspired to force
INSLAW into bankruptcy in order to deliver the firm's software
to a rival company. The rival firm, according to court records
and law enforcement officials, was headed by Earl W. Brian, a
former Cabinet officer under then California Governor Ronald Reagan
and a longtime friend of several high-ranking Republican officials.


[Earl W. Brian! Who had seized control of United Press International
(UPI) in a deal every bit as shady as the Inslaw affair�]
On March 21, 1992, [Michael] Riconoscuito stated in an affidavit
to the Court and Congress, and before he was arrested, the following:

During the 1980s he served as the Director of Research for
a joint venture between the Wackenhut Corporation of Coral Gables,
Florida, and the Cabazon Band of Indians of Indio, California.
The joint venture was located on the Cabazon reservation. 

[Near the Salton Sea, a long-time haunt of the Author, who
brought a strange variety of computer gurus to the area, purportedly
for Corvina fishing, but what was the real story about
their travels there?]
The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture sought to develop and/or
manufacture certain materials that are used in military and national
security operations, including night vision goggles, machine guns,
fuel- air explosives, and biological and chemical warfare weapons.
The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture was intended to support
the needs of a number of FOREIGN governments and forces, including
forces and governments in Central America and the Middle East.
The Contras in Nicaragua represented one of the most important
priorities for the joint venture.
The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture maintained close liaison
with 'certain elements' of the United States Government, including
representatives of intelligence, military and law enforcement
agencies.
Among the frequent visitors to the Wackenhut-Cabazon joint
venture were Peter Videnieks of the U.S. Department of Justice
in Washington, D.C., and a close associate of Videnieks by the
name of Earl W. Brian. Brian is a private businessman who lives
in Maryland and who has maintained close business ties with the
U.S. intelligence community for many years. 
The purpose of the PROMIS software modification that I made
in 1983 and 1984 was to support a plan for the implementation
of PROMIS in law enforcement and intelligence agencies worldwide.
Earl W. Brian was spearheading the plan for this worldwide use
of the PROMIS computer software. 
Some of the modifications that I made were specifically designed
to facilitate the implementation of PROMIS within two agencies
of the Government of Canada: the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
(RCMP) and the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service (CSIS).
Earl W. Brian would check with me from time to time to make certain
that the work would be completed in time to satisfy the schedule
for the RCMP and CSIS implementations of PROMIS.

[The RCMP and CSIS�the same entities that the Author had
shared a Russian language class with in Regina, Saskatchewan,
just before the Moscow Olympics. Who had he encountered in that
group who would later be instrumental in acquiring the PROMIS
software for the Canadians?]
The propriety version of PROMIS, as modified by me, was, in
fact implemented in both the RCMP and the CSIS in Canada. It was
my understanding that Earl W. Brian had sold this version of PROMIS
to the Government of Canada. 

A Player To Be Named Later suddenly remembered the email to the
CypherPunks mailing list and the corporate headquarters of the
Internet Content Coalition that had been forwarded from the LMBoyd
Website, which was known to be a forum for the Circle of Eunuchs
to send veiled messages to set the stage for their more pointed
attacks on the Dark Forces.
It was an email that was sent out when the dark specter of the
Internet Content Coalition first began to flex their muscles.


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Sampler: July 25
Message-ID: <mailman.18.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

======================================================
The serial killer does in one person at a time in
intervals. The mass killer murders however many in a
single mad rampage. The mass killer is usually suicidal.
The serial killer isn't.
�
Q. Does any animal deliberately stalk human beings for
food?
A. None but the polar bear. At least, such is the claim
of the experts.
======================================================
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http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm

"Of course!"

A Player To Be Named Later slapped his forehead, amazed that he
had not seen the connection sooner between the 'mass murderer,
serial killer stalking humans from the North' email, the Not-News
threat singling out "a billionaire to be named later,"
and the email sent to the Internet Content Coalition players just
before they held the meeting where they effectively folded their
hand in their attempt to take over control over defining what
was 'official' news on the InterNet, and what was not.

He reread, once again, the anonymous post sent just hours before
the Internet Content Coalition's grand agenda bit the dust:

"In July, Anson Ng, a reporter for the Financial Times
of London 
was shot and KILLED in Guatemala. He had reportedly been trying

to interview an American there named Jimmy Hughes, a one-time

director of security for the Cabazon Indian Reservation secret
projects.
"In April, a Philadelphia attorney named Dennis Eisman was
found 
DEAD, killed by a single bullet in his chest. According to a former

federal official who worked with Eisman, the attorney was found
dead 
in the parking lot where he had been due to meet with a woman
who 
had crucial evidence to share substantiating Riconosciuto's claims.

"Both Eisman's and Ng's deaths were declared 'suicides' by

authorities.
"Fred Alvarez, a Cabazon tribal leader who was in vocal opposition

to the developments on the reservation, was found SHOT TO DEATH

WITH TWO FRIENDS in 1981. Their murder remains unsolved.


At last, the whole bizarre, implausible scenario finally came
together in A Player To Be Named Later's mind.

The Author's presence near the belly of the beast in Indio had
not been a mere coincidence. When the Internet Content Coalition
made their move, the Circle of Eunuchs already had the information
they needed to connect several of the players in the proposed
news cartel with the trail of deaths surrounding both those involved
in the INSLAW debacle and the reporters closing in on the real
story involved.
And they had made it more than plain that some of those involved
in the Wackenhut-Cabazon arms deals were now playing for the opposition�and
that bullets don't discriminate between the rich and the poor.

A Player To Be Named Later was still mystified as to how the Magic
Circle had been able to pull off such a bold, in-your-face maneuver
on some of the Titans of the news and computer industries.
In the early days, after the dissemination of "The Xenix
Chainsaw Massacre" had begun in 1989, the Circle of Eunuchs
had come under fierce attack from a variety of sources from within
the secret government hunting them. Mysterious deaths, established
careers going up in flames, overnight. The Magic Circle had quickly
disappeared far into the underground of computer society.
Then, the Circle had begun to show their hand, more and more,
now reaching the point where they could apparently do battle with
the heavyweights working behind the scenes with Gomez and the
Dark Allies. But A Player To Be Named Later hadn't seen any indication
that the Circle of Eunuchs had managed to gain possession of a
hole-card that could account for�unless�

"Casolaro!" A Player To Be Named Later whispered,
as if speaking the name aloud might bring down fire from the heavens.
Quickly, he did a disk search for a vaguely remembered article
from Conspiracy Nation�

Forwarded:
>From the Patriot Archives ftp site at: ftp://tezcat.com/patriot

Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num.


("Quid coniuratio est?")

THE OCTOPUS
===========
By Karen Bixman
(For The People *News Reporter*, 11/14/94)
�
On the morning of August 11, 1991, Danny Casolaro was found
dead 
in the bathroom of his hotel room at the Sheraton Hotel in 
Martinsburg, West Virginia. His wrists had been slashed ten 
times; his briefcase and notes were missing. The authorities 

labeled the death a suicide, and before Casolaro's family had

been contacted, the body was embalmed.

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Damn! He had nailed it!

Karen Bixman's article had confirmed everything that A Player
To Be Named Later had increasingly suspected as his mind pored
over the mountain of information which had seemed so tentatively,
but treacherously, related.
Bixman had laid down an utterly astounding, twisted trail of closely
connected, mysterious deaths and blatant murders surrounding the
INSLAW and Iran-Contra misdeeds that completed the connections
between the past and current players in the battle for control
of world supremacy in computer information and communications.

What's more, the timing of the disappearance of Danny Casolaro's
extensive notes on the winding serpent of evil surrounding these
affairs coincided with the Magic Circle's unmistakable reentry
into manifest participation in the battle against the Evil One
and the Dark Forces under his command.

The Coupe de Gras, however, was the source of the Conspiracy Nation
newsletter.
Prairienet.org! From whence sprang the apparently unrelated Bureau42
clique who had seized the opportunity to host 'The True Story
of the InterNet' transcripts, despite the troubled and bloody
history of those who had done so in the past.
Bianca had mentioned to Mike Denney, at Basis Inc., that she had
been prepared to hack the Bureau42 servers when they came under
attack upon placing 'Part II' and 'Part III' on their system,
but that they had managed to clear up the problems that developed
on their own, and had done so in a surprisingly short period of
time.

Only one thing was still bothering A Player To Be Named Later.

Microsoft had been the first member of the Internet Content Coalition
to publicly fold their hand in the battle to control news and
information ratings across the InterNet, but Gates seemed, on
the surface, to be less visibly connected to the extremely messy
past misconduct of the others, and thus seemed to have the least
to lose if the shit hit the fan.
Gate's quick concession to the veiled threats had definitely been
the catalyst in causing the hasty retreat of the other members
of the news cartel that had seemed to be on the drawing board
for quite some time in the plans of Gomez and the Dark Allies�but
why?

Bill Gates had not become the richest and most overtly powerful
individual on the face of the earth by fighting against the grand
designs of the Evil One, but he seemed to be playing his cards
close to his chest, in a manner that suggested that he had an
agenda of his own that might not run exactly parallel to that
of the Dark Forces.

What was BillyG's game?
A Player To Be Named Later had been involved in the grand battle
taking place behind the scenes of everyday reality for long enough
to know that it was all done with mirrors.

"And each man, in his time, plays many parts." he
said, perplexed for the moment.

"To Shakespeare!" A Player To Be Named Later
said, lifting his glass in toast. "A member of the Magic
Circle, if there ever was one."
"If there ever was one�" he repeated, smiling
at his unintentional inside joke.


The Shadow was watching Bad BillyG closely, for any sign of subterfuge
in his inner demeanor.
"You're certain about Blanc Weber?" he asked,
once again.

"Well, I could be wrong, but we've investigated her thoroughly,
and every indication is that all that nonsense about her development
of the HydroCube is just that-nonsense."

BillyG shrugged his shoulders, apparently unconcerned with what
he regarded as a small, internal company matter.
"I could have her isolated, but I don't really see much
point. If she is hiding something, then it's probably better
not to let her know how closely she is being monitored. Perhaps
you should put some of the Dark Allies on her tail for a while,
in case there is something that my people have missed."

"No, I don't think that will be necessary." the
Shadow replied, casually.
He had instructed his men to monitor Blanc Weber's movements and
activities months ago, as well as those of the spooks Bad BillyG
had assigned to watch her. His own spooks had likewise turned
up nothing positive, but he had pressed the matter with Gates
in order to judge his reaction just the same.

"Well, her digital implant went according to plan,"
BillyG added, "so we will be able to yank her chain
on a moment's notice, if it becomes necessary to do so, in the
future."

The "billionaire to be named later" sat back and allowed
himself to indulge in the luxury of looking forward to the moment
when A Player To Be Named Later would find out much, much more
than he really wanted to know about Bad BillyG's plans for the
tattered remnants of the Magic Circle who were attempting to interfere
with his own vision of the direction the future of the InterNet
should take at this nadir point in time, when the battle for control
of virtual reality was about to explode into every single facet
of human life


Bubba Rom Dos thought about the forefather of his technical namesake,
who had so far managed to walk with the Evil One as far as the
bridge in his rise to riches, fame and power a hundred years in
the past.
The Cowboy, Priscilla, Alexis, Jonathan, and d'Shauneaux were
likewise joined with him in contemplation of this paradoxical
figure from the past whose role in the great battle between the
Forces of Light and the Forces of Darkness had remained an enigma
throughout the history and legends of the Circle of Eunuchs.

Friend or foe, there was no denying that Billy the Kid was going
to play a major role in the direction that the thundering train
of history was about to take as it approached the crossroads of
destiny on its way to an ElectroMagnetic Future where freedom
would hinge on the free flow of Taoist bytes routing around the
enslaving chains of Fascist bits that Gomez and the Dark Allies
had been carefully laying in place since the dawn of the Computer
Era.

Bubba Rom Dos, sage and savant, deviant and derelict, raised a
glass of "Bubba's Special Reserve" in toast, proclaiming
as the tattered remnants of the Magic Circle joined him in his
libations, "To Billy the Kid�or Bad BillyG�to
the things that he did�or to what he may be�"

The Trei Transponder began softly humming in the background, as
if trying to tell the small assembly something very, very important
for them to know.
Then it fell silent�

Copyright "Anonymous TruthMonger <billg at microsoft.com>"

"That's not a government backdoor <bug>.
It's a hacker's backdoor <feature>."


"The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre"

"WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs"

"InfoWar (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet')

Soviet Union Sickle of Eunuchs Secret WebSite










From NICETY7078 at aol.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: NICETY7078 at aol.com (NICETY7078 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: What can I do about my computer freezing?
Message-ID: <mailman.19.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

My computer freezes when I use AOL and sometimes when
I'm just using the basic functions of Windows 98.

My defragmentor  keeps starting over and over and my scan
disk never finds anything wrong, but there has to be.

Any advice?

NICETY7078 at aol.com


ANSWERS:


From MichelC�t�-michelc at webdo3d.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: MichelC�t�-michelc at webdo3d.com (MichelC�t�-michelc at webdo3d.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No, you can download anything on the net
Message-ID: <mailman.20.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From:  Peggy Halverson   - pegnorth at northernnet.com
>Subject:  Can images be coded so they cannot be downloaded?
>
>I am ready to post a website live that has a famous picture on it.
>My client is wondering if it can be coded so that the images
>cannot be downloaded or copied from the website.
>Would you know what coding to use to do this?

I don't want to destroy everything Ed said in his answer in 
Issue #438 about protecting the images, but on the Internet 
if you can see it you already downloaded it, you can just 
scan your browser's cache directory to find it.
 
The two ways to protect images are good up to a point.  
The Javascript right-click event can be dealt with in one 
of 2 ways.  The first is to simply disable the browser's 
JavaScript, then you can use your right-click all you want...
 
The other way is to simply click on the "Get Source" in the 
Display menu.  That way you can see the source code, find 
the right image and download it right off.
 
What I would suggest would be to use a watermark in the 
image.  That way if someone does download the image and 
uses it on another site you can prove it's a rip-off...
 
Michel C�t�,
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Comments on Site #138:  http://www.mysticforest.net
April Williams
xena6 at bellsouth.net
~~~~

I reviewed site 138 mysticforest.com  This is a great, easy to
navigate site!  I loved the layout (and the candles!)  The only
distraction I found was the way the backgrounds changed
for each page. Perhaps a single background used over and
over would be better? Just an opinion!  Keep up the great
work!
~~~~

The pages load nice and quickly, although the backgrounds
are not consistent and the layouts are not equidistant.

Your pages should not be as long as they are. Page one
should have been split up into two pages, and if you use
a frame for your menu, you will only need one static menu
per page, that can easily be found.

Some of the pics are not clear enough. The site has potential,
but needs refinement.
~~~~

Oh! I loved this site.  I was ready to order except for a couple
of things. First, your shipping link wasn't working, and though
I could see shipping charges on the order form, but didn't see
any information on how long it would take before I would get
the candles.  I didn't see the info on ccnow until after I had
left the order form, and I wasn't familiar with them.

So, when you refer to ccnow on the order form, make their
name an active link so customers can view information about
them before ordering. Maybe just a small pop-up box with
info about them.  And, give an estimate on how long it is
between time the order is placed and when I would receive.

I think there are a couple things you could do to just make
it easier to use the order form, maybe have some friends or
non-internet savvy people you know go through it while
you watch and see where they hesitate or pause or have
questions.

I've never heard of any place I could choose color and
scent and style of the candles I want. I burn candles alot,
and will definitely be back to your site to see if you have
the shipping time  information, and then I'll order.
~~~~

Liked the background of blue fabric.  The site was well laid
out and most of the links worked (but Shipping didn't work
for me).

I loved the design your own candle section but it would have
been helpful to click the options and have them entered into
the shopping cart automatically rather than have to try to
remember them to enter later.  The pages with candle graphics
took a while to load - perhaps thumbnails linked to allow
selection to larger pics would help?  Lots of helpful info
about candles.  Interesting site.
~~~~

Hi April,
I love the Celtic font.
Would you be interested in nestling your lovely candles
into a forest/nature background on your site?
http://www.purplewoods.com/  has free graphics, photos
etc, and one photo is a forest. When I saw it, I immediately
thought of your sensual candles and your site name.
Do you reckon it would work?

BTW, I think April is a beautiful name, and (to me) very
evocative of Nature, and you could use it to your advantage
at your site.  Just a thought.
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<p>From:&nbsp; Michel C&ocirc;t&eacute;&nbsp; - michelc at webdo3d.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; No, you can download anything on the net
<p>>From:&nbsp; Peggy Halverson&nbsp;&nbsp; - pegnorth at northernnet.com
<br>>Subject:&nbsp; Can images be coded so they cannot be downloaded?
<br>>
<br>>I am ready to post a website live that has a famous picture on it.
<br>>My client is wondering if it can be coded so that the images
<br>>cannot be downloaded or copied from the website.
<br>>Would you know what coding to use to do this?
<p>I don't want to destroy everything Ed said in his answer in
<br>Issue #438 about protecting the images, but on the Internet
<br>if you can see it you already downloaded it, you can just
<br>scan your browser's cache directory to find it.
<br>&nbsp;
<br>The two ways to protect images are good up to a point.
<br>The Javascript right-click event can be dealt with in one
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<br>&nbsp;
<br>The other way is to simply click on the "Get Source" in the
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<br>&nbsp;
<br>What I would suggest would be to use a watermark in the
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<br>April Williams
<br>xena6 at bellsouth.net
<br>~~~~
<p>I reviewed site 138 mysticforest.com&nbsp; This is a great, easy to
<br>navigate site!&nbsp; I loved the layout (and the candles!)&nbsp; The
only
<br>distraction I found was the way the backgrounds changed
<br>for each page. Perhaps a single background used over and
<br>over would be better? Just an opinion!&nbsp; Keep up the great
<br>work!
<br>~~~~
<p>The pages load nice and quickly, although the backgrounds
<br>are not consistent and the layouts are not equidistant.
<p>Your pages should not be as long as they are. Page one
<br>should have been split up into two pages, and if you use
<br>a frame for your menu, you will only need one static menu
<br>per page, that can easily be found.
<p>Some of the pics are not clear enough. The site has potential,
<br>but needs refinement.
<br>~~~~
<p>Oh! I loved this site.&nbsp; I was ready to order except for a couple
<br>of things. First, your shipping link wasn't working, and though
<br>I could see shipping charges on the order form, but didn't see
<br>any information on how long it would take before I would get
<br>the candles.&nbsp; I didn't see the info on ccnow until after I had
<br>left the order form, and I wasn't familiar with them.
<p>So, when you refer to ccnow on the order form, make their
<br>name an active link so customers can view information about
<br>them before ordering. Maybe just a small pop-up box with
<br>info about them.&nbsp; And, give an estimate on how long it is
<br>between time the order is placed and when I would receive.
<p>I think there are a couple things you could do to just make
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<br>non-internet savvy people you know go through it while
<br>you watch and see where they hesitate or pause or have
<br>questions.
<p>I've never heard of any place I could choose color and
<br>scent and style of the candles I want. I burn candles alot,
<br>and will definitely be back to your site to see if you have
<br>the shipping time&nbsp; information, and then I'll order.
<br>~~~~
<p>Liked the background of blue fabric.&nbsp; The site was well laid
<br>out and most of the links worked (but Shipping didn't work
<br>for me).
<p>I loved the design your own candle section but it would have
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<br>remember them to enter later.&nbsp; The pages with candle graphics
<br>took a while to load - perhaps thumbnails linked to allow
<br>selection to larger pics would help?&nbsp; Lots of helpful info
<br>about candles.&nbsp; Interesting site.
<br>~~~~
<p>Hi April,
<br>I love the Celtic font.
<br>Would you be interested in nestling your lovely candles
<br>into a forest/nature background on your site?
<br>http://www.purplewoods.com/&nbsp; has free graphics, photos
<br>etc, and one photo is a forest. When I saw it, I immediately
<br>thought of your sensual candles and your site name.
<br>Do you reckon it would work?
<p>BTW, I think April is a beautiful name, and (to me) very
<br>evocative of Nature, and you could use it to your advantage
<br>at your site.&nbsp; Just a thought.
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From nulldev at hush.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: nulldev at hush.com (CJ Knight)
Date: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:08 PM
Subject: Fw: Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to screw you
Message-ID: <mailman.21.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


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Hi Brian, and happy new year. Thanks for another thought provoking post.

A few things you might not be aware of happening over here in Europe,
specifically the UK:

We have ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) cameras in place on
every motorway junction, plus all major roads. They aren't advertised,
they look like plain grey boxes, but people are slowly catching on to
what they do, and how much they see. A journey from one end of the
country to the other can be tracked in real time.

An EU Directive has stated that all new cars must have inbuilt 3G
capability "in case of accidents". I personally do not believe this
reason, and suspect it's just another form of tracking surveillance.

Lastly, our government a few years back came up with an idea to fit
"black box" recorders in *all* cars but the public backlash was so
huge they shelved the idea. Instead, the insurance industry has
adopted the technology, so new drivers and those with a poor accident
record can opt to have one of these boxes fitted in return for a
discount on their insurance. It is now becoming a norm for young
people to take this option; when I ask them why they are prepared to
violate their own privacy they just shrug, but I guess privacy means
something different to the Facebook generation.

Conversely, it is now becoming *more* expensive to insure a car if you
do not have a black box; they have tried norming this by penalising
the law abiding (but privacy conscious).

Anyway, just thought you might like to know.

Best, CJ


On 02/01/14 18:04, brian carroll wrote:
>> Any questions?
>
> observation:

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From soccertournaments at inwind.it  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: soccertournaments at inwind.it (Soccer Tournaments)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12.02.42 +0100
Subject: soccer tournaments
Message-ID: <200111021100.DAA09751@toad.com>


Dear Soccer friends,
We want to inform you that we organize International Youth Soccer and Futsal
Tournaments in Sardinia, marvelous Italian island in the Mediterraneo Sea, of
which you will find greater newses of succession.

We like invite yours teams to this tournaments:

Assemini Cup 2001
27th - 30th December 2001
Assemini, Nuraminis, San Sperate, Decimoputzu, Decimomannu (CAGLIARI) -
Sardinia - Italy

Epiphany Cup 2002
2nd - 6th January 2002
Assemini, Nuraminis, San Sperate, Decimoputzu, Decimomannu (CAGLIARI) -
Sardinia - Italy

Sardinia Cup 2002
24th - 30th June 2002
Assemini, Nuraminis, San Sperate, Decimoputzu, Decimomannu (CAGLIARI) -
Sardinia - Italy

Into the past editions, beyond to many deriving teams from other regions from
Italy, we have had participants deriving teams from Europe as (Romania,
Malta, and many others), from nations not european (Peru, Costarica, U.S.A.).

If your teams have taken an interest in the participation at one or more than
these above-said tournaments, we there beg put you immediately in contact
with us.

There we invite to visit our Internet site at the address
http://eventsport.supereva.it

If you can't come to Sardinia in that period, I ask you to comunicate this
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The tournaments will unwind with the rules of the F.I.G.C., of the U.E.F.A.
and of the F.I.F.A.

At 6th International Youth Soccer Tournament "Sardinia Cup 2002" they are
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Already various teams from different parts of the world have asked to
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At this time we have received applications of participation from youth teams
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We can also organize for your teams a Tour in Sardinia with the preceding or
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Does your team organize a tournament for the 2002? Send us all the necessary
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Hoping to have your teams participants at one of our events, and staying on
the expected of your newses, we there offer

Best Regards
Eventsport
Vincenzo Girau
======================================================
Eventsport
International Youth Soccer Tournaments
Sardinia - Italy - Europe
http://eventsport.supereva.it
E-mail: vigi at micanet.net
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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Saturday June 3, 2006
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.22.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Society

URL:  http://www.crcs.deas.harvard.edu/workshop

(Open to the press and the general public)


Although there has been significant public attention to the civil
liberties issues of data surveillance over the past few years, there
has been little discussion of the actual techniques that could be
employed in any but the most restricted settings. Likewise, there has
been little discussion of methods and technologies for conducting
data surveillance while respecting privacy and preserving civil
liberties.

Our keynote speaker will be:

	Bob Popp, Ph.D., Executive Vice President of Aptima, Inc., and
formerly Deputy of the Information Awareness Office and Total
Information Awareness (TIA) program, Defense Advanced Research
Projects Agency (DARPA).


His talk will be on "A Vision for Countering Terrorism Through
Information and Privacy Protection Technologies,"

Other featured speakers include:

Morning Sessions

-- Kenneth Mandl, MD, M.P.H., Harvard Medical School Center for
Biomedical Informatics and the Children's Hospital Informatics
Program at the Harvard-MIT Division of Health Sciences and Technology
--- "Real Time Automated Disease Surveillance: Opportunities and
Challenges."

-- Jeff Ubois, Internet Archive --- "Web Logs, Privacy, and Data
Surveillance."

-- Lew Oleinick, Privacy Technology Advisor for the Defense Logistics
Agency. --- "The Federal Interagency RFID Working Group."

-- Latanya Sweeney, Ph.D., Director, Laboratory for International
Data Privacy; Associate Professor of Computer Science, Technology and
Policy, Carnegie Mellon University --- "What Homeland Security Can
Learn From the Homeless: The P3Tracker System."

Afternoon Sessions

-- Philippe Golle, Ph.D., Palo Alto Research Center. --- "Self-
Enforcing Privacy"

-- Rafail Ostrovsky, Ph.D., Director, Center for Information and
Computation Security; Professor, Computer Science Department,
University of California, Los Angeles --- "Private Searching on
Streaming Data."

-- Johannes Gehrke, Ph.D., Associate Director, Cornell Theory Center;
Associate Professor, Department of Computer Sciences, Cornell
University --- "Data Privacy and Background Knowledge."

-- Brad Malin, Ph.D., Carnegie Mellon University --- "Fraud
Detection; DNA Data Privacy, and De-identification,"

-- John Bliss, J.D., Privacy Strategist, Entity Analytic Solutions,
IBM Software Group

-- Rebecca Wright, Ph.D., Principal Investigator, Privacy,
Obligations, and Rights in Technologies of Information Assessment
(PORTIA) project; Associate Professor, Stevens Institute of
Technology. --- "Progress on the PORTIA Project in Privacy-Preserving
Data Mining."

Closing Speaker:

James Bamford, J.D., Author, The Puzzle Palace and Body of Secrets


Are you interested in coming?

The workshop is free but you must register to attend.

For more information on the workshop and to register, please visit
the conference website:

http://crcs.deas.harvard.edu/workshop/2006/


If you have any further questions, please contact me:

Simson L. Garfinkel
Postdoctoral Fellow and Conference Program Chair
617-876-6111
simsong at acm.org





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From coderman at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: coderman at gmail.com (=C2=A0coderman)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.23.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On 1/14/16, jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> ... The main criticism I had
>> of this was the fact that the system was said to have a minimum bid of 1
>> BTC, which at the time was somewhere around $1000.=C2=A0 This, contrasti=
ng with
>> my Assassination Politics essay of 1995-96 where I anticipated allowing =
bits
>> of 10 cents.
>> Assassination Market did not explain a lot of what I had considered
>> necessary for a functioning such system. How can a potential donor trust=
 the
>> system?=C2=A0 How can a potential 'predictor' trust the system?=C2=A0 Ho=
w to collect?I
>> never tried to research into this, because I judged that to do so would =
be a
>> little too 'hot' for me to do.

>i am curious how you arrived at a determination of what was "too hot" :)>h=
ow do you pick where to draw that line?>*he says with a toe on something ve=
ry hot...*
It was more of an educated guess. =C2=A0I knew that I hadn't been promoting=
 AP, yetsomebody was seemingly trying to bring it into reality, or saying t=
hey were. =C2=A0Themost likely scenario, given that this person had contact=
ed me, is that he (they) weresimply trying to discredit me. =C2=A0To avoid =
that happening, and to 'kill two birds withone stone', I threw that hot pot=
ato to Andy Greenberg. =C2=A0(I was not at all happy with=C2=A0Greenberg, w=
ho greatly misrepresented 'facts' about me in his book). =C2=A0 I figuredth=
at Greenberg wouldn't do anything with this contact, which would allow me t=
o usehis negligence to discredit him. =C2=A0Very surprisingly, to me, Green=
berg actually wrotean article and published in Forbes! =C2=A0Literally with=
in hours, many dozen other=C2=A0articles appeared in other media, and in th=
e end it probably was hundreds of articlesover the next year or so.

>>=C2=A0 Did any donations actually appear on the
>> system after its initial announcement?=C2=A0 Did any new names/targets a=
ppear?
>there were a few targets added, "bid" transactions successful,
>yet my attempt to add my own life to list was for naught. :/
>maybe i didn't pay enough... ?
=C2=A0>=C2=A0https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi=
1GdZ4JZG73T
I expected to, within a few weeks or months, read many articles publishing =
details. =C2=A0But no,all the rest were seemingly just rehashes of Greenber=
g's. =C2=A0 So, I learned very little. =C2=A0ButI _DID_ learn that that sys=
tem wouldn't be successful: =C2=A0At the very least, it would have hadto co=
nvince the public that they could trust the system to operate reliably, and=
 that neveroccurred.The only public criticism I voiced was the fact that th=
e system didn't accept individual donationslower than 1 BTC. =C2=A0Most peo=
ple would be willing to throw a penny, nickel, dime, quarter, ordollar into=
 a wishing well. =C2=A0But nearly $1000? =C2=A0Highly unlikely. =C2=A0It wa=
s one choice that virtually=C2=A0guaranteed failure, even if everything els=
e was done right.=C2=A0I am now, however, paying attention to Auger and Eth=
ereum, which if they meet their impliedpromises, will actually do the job.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell


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From raclaw at zahav.net.il  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: raclaw at zahav.net.il (Ratzlav-Katz)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Your e-mail to Murray Kahl re The Jewish Left in America vs The 
Message-ID: <mailman.24.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Christian Right 
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:33:11 +0200 

Well, Bob, I am glad you answered my e-mail.

What makes your philosophy an interesting combination of right-wing  politics 
and anti-Semitism is that throughout your answers, you still insist on 
singling out the Jews for special treatment, which is CONTRARY to my 
understanding of right-wing, merit-based philosophy - with your only  reason 
for it being "they got money" - like some jealous, Communist  revolutionary. 
If a certain group is more successful than another - like the Orientals  in 
America as opposed to the Blacks, for instance - that is the strength  of an 
open, free market society like America.

Secondly, Jews support lots of things.  A Jewish left-winger supports  the 
Rainbow Coalition for the same inane, stupid reasons that any Boston  white, 
Anglo-Saxon liberal supports it. You, however, insinuate some  conspiratorial 
plan by Jews to destroy America. You are wrong. Ditto for world  government - 
Jews are not in a conspiracy to take over the world. That implies a  special 
evil motivation for Jews (i.e., anti-Semitism). I reapeat: Jews who  support 
leftist insanities support them for the same reason that anyone else of  any 
other ethnicity does.

What if I told you that most Americans of Italian background support  liberal 
immigration laws? You'd find a reason - they want to make sure their 
relatives can get in and join them, etc.Would you say "AHAH! They are  trying 
to take over America for a renewed fascist Italy!" Jews are motivated  by the 
same things anyone else is.

Thirdly, targeting Jews for extermination because they are taking over  the 
world (or America)... that is ancient, classical anti-Semitism exactly  for 
the reasons I listed above.

As for Israel. It is the fulfillment of the prophesy of the ingathering  of 
the exiles. Zionism seeks one thing: a Jewish State where Jews will be  able 
to take their destiny in their own hands. I don't care what your friend  told 
you. It was either a wishful, lefty, John Lennon, peace and love speech  that 
he assumed is an insidious plan for world conquest (which is what most  of 
these conspiracy theories are) or he is making up nonsense. Zionism is  the 
OPPOSITE of one-world government - it demands that Jews have an  independent, 
separate state, where most Jews will live. That is a call for yet  another 
national entity, not an international one. You'll just have to trust me  that 
you cannot lecture me about Zionism or Judaism or Israeli history or policies.

[ IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ORTHODOX JEWS WERE NEARLY ALL OPPOSED TO 
ZIONISM BECAUSE THEY INTERPRETED PROPHECY TO SAY THAT ISRAEL WOULD NOT BE A 
NATION AGAIN UNTIL THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF 
HISTORY THAT ZIONISM WAS STARTED AND PROMOTED BY ATHEIST RUSSIAN JEWS WHO 
WERE MARXISTS. ]

If you oppose Jewish national sovereignty, then the burden is on you to  show 
why you support other national sovereignties. Mostly, in fact, it is leftist, 
internationalist, pie in the sky types who are anti-Israel,  because they are 
anti-nationalism of any kind. But YOU are pro-nationalist. So  if you are in 
favor of all other nationalisms, but the Jewish one, then  that is, again, 
anti-Semitism, just from the perspective of logic. Also, the rabbis who were 
against Zionism in the 1800's were indeed fearful of  the secularism of most, 
but not all, of its founders. However, there were  three groups. Those 
opposed, those in favor and the majority, who were  silent, reserving 
judgement. Nowadays, there is only a small insignificant sect  who calls for 
the absolute dismantling of Israel - and even THEY claim to believe it should 
be done peacefully. The Jewish groups that tend to  support Arab violence 
against Israel, on the other hand, are EXACTLY those  leftists that you so 
despise! Getting confusing, isn't it?


[ IT IS TRUE THAT THE ORTHODOX JEWS HAVE NEARLY ALL BEEN CO-OPTED TO SUPPORT 
ZIONISM NOW. BUT WE SHALL SEE IF THIS WAS INDEED A SATANIC PLOT OR A G-D 
BLESSED PLOT. THE LAST CHAPTER IS NOT YET WRITTEN. ALSO, SINCE I AM VERY 
HOSTILE TO ISLAM I WOULD MORE GLADLY SUPPORT ISRAEL AS A BULWARK AGAINST 
ISLAM, BUT THE ANTI-CHRISTIAN BIGOTRY OF THE LEFT-WING AMERICAN JEWS CONFUSES 
MY LOYALTIES. ]

Finally, I live in Israel, man. How would you feel if I said that it  should 
have been the "People's Republic" of Massachusetts (where I went to  school) 
that was hit by Bin Laden, killing thousands, just to "wake up the  liberals 
there."?

[ WELL IN RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU WROTE IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE, I MUST SAY THAT 
IF I WAS A JEW WHO LIVED IN ISRAEL, I WOULD BE A 100% MILITANT RIGHT-WINGER. 
I WOULD UTTERLY CRUSH ARAFAT AND I WOULD FORCIBLY REMOVE THE PALESTINIANS TO 
SYRIA, IRAQ, IRAN OR WHERE EVER AND I WOULD DO ALL OF THIS WITH NO APOLOGY. 
HOWEVER, IF I WAS A PALESTINIAN, I WOULD KILL AS MANY JEWS AS I COULD. I 
WOULD HATE THE JEWS AND REGARD THEM AS FOREIGN INVADERS WHO MUST BE REMOVED 
BY WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY, INCLUDING TERRORISM. AS A CHRISTIAN, MY 
LOYALTIES NORMALLY WOULD GO FIRST TO SUPPORTING JEWS AGAINST ISLAM, BUT MY 
ANGER AT WHAT THE LEFT-WING JEWS ARE DOING TO AMERICA HAS ME SOMEWHAT 
FLUMOXED. ]

Incidentally, "messianic Jews" are an insult to Christianity and  Judaism. If 
you do respect Orthodox Judaism, you will respect that you cannot  combine 
true Judaism with true Christianity. There are anti-missionizing laws  on the 
books in Israel. That applies to Hare Krishna just as much as to Jews  for 
Jesus. No Christian in Israel is targeted because he is a Christian.  There 
are Christians (and other non-Jews) in all sectors of Israeli society  (incl. 
the army, the government, business). The claim of oppression of  Christians 
in Israel is just wrong (do you read Josef Farah? He is an Arab and a 
religious Christian - and pro-Israel. He edits WorldNetDaily.com).

[ REGARDING "MESSIANIC JEWS." THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY JEWS. JESUS 
WAS A JEW. THE APOSTLE'S PAUL & PETER & JOHN & MARK & MATTHEW WERE ALL JEWS. 
CHRISTIANITY IS A JEWISH RELIGION. CHRISTIANITY WAS ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY JEWISH 
IN IT'S EARLY YEARS - SO - YOU ARE WRONG TO SAY THAT "MESSIANIC JEWS" ARE AN 
INSULT TO CHRISTIANITY. THOSE ANTI-MISSIONIZING LAWS ARE EVIL AND BIGOTED 
UNLESS YOU ADVOCATE THAT EVERY NATION SHOULD BE ABLE TO WRITE LAWS FAVORING 
THE SELECTED "STATE" RELIGION. YOU SOUND LIKE THE TALIBAN WHEN YOU ADVOCATE 
SUPPORT FOR "ANTI-MISSIONIZING" LAWS. BTW, YES, I READ AND LOVE JOE FARAH. 
JOE IS PRO-ISRAEL, JUST LIKE ALL PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS IN AMERICA USED TO BE. 
I AM TRYING TO CHANGE THAT. I AM WORKING TO TURN CHRISTIANS AGAINST THE 
LEFT-WING JEWS IN AMERICA OUT OF A MOTIVE OF SELF-DEFENSE BECAUSE OF WHAT 
THESE JEWS ARE DOING TO US CHRISTIANS IN AMERICA. ]

That is why I say, stick to defeating liberal IDEAS - do not allow  yourself 
to be drawn by conspiracy theories that depend on a certain ethnic  group all 
working together to take over the world. What is true is that common problems 
lead to common solutions.

[ I AM ONLY FOCUSING ON THE JEWS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LEADERS OF NEARLY ALL 
OF THE ANTI-CHRISTIAN GROUPS IN AMERICA. ]

Once you stop singling out Jews and start singling out wrong-headed,  liberal 
ideas alone, you might earn some respect from more right-wing Jews,  like 
myself. 

---------- 
Nissan R.

[ STICK MY HEAD IN THE SAND AND PRETEND I DO NOT SEE WHAT THE LEFT-WING JEWS 
ARE DOING TO AMERICA... IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME TO DO? ARE YOU 
TELLING ME THAT I SHOULD NOT WRITE OR TALK ABOUT WHAT THESE LEFT-WING JEWS 
ARE DOING TO AMERICA? 

PS - YOU CLAIM TO BE RIGHT WING, BUT I SUSPECT YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF ABORTION 
RIGHTS, TOLERANCE OF HOMOSEXUALS AND PERHAPS EVEN SOME SOCIALISM SUCH AS 
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE OR SOCIAL SECURITY TYPE RETIREMENT PROGRAMS. TELL ME IT 
IS NOT TRUE. I AM BCC'NG THIS TO 150 PEOPLE ON MY PERSONAL EMAIL LIST. 

SHALOM, BOB FROM MICHIGAN.]





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From mp at misproductos.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: mp at misproductos.com (MisProductos.com)
Date: Wednesday 31-Oct-2001 21:42:29
Subject: Tenemos para t� estas ofertas terror�ficas
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From: Zach (Zach)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
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I am pleased to announce the availability of FSTC's "Understanding and
Countering the Phishing Threat," the summary whitepaper of findings and
recommendations of the FSTC Counter-Phishing Project. The whitepaper
contains valuable data, published here for the first time, including FSTC's
"Phishing Attack Life Cycle" and FSTC's "Taxonomy of Phishing Attacks." This
and all other project deliverables are located at

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In addition to the whitepaper, the following deliverables are being made
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TO ALL: "Results Summary: FSTC Counter-Phishing Solutions Survey": An
overview of the 60+ solutions currently offered on the marketplace, broken
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TO ALL: "Vocabulary of Phishing Terms": A glossary of terms used throughout
the project. The project team used these to "speak the same language" when
talking about the problem and potential solutions, whether internally, or
with vendors, or with customers

TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Results Summarized By Solution": identifies solutions
by company and product name as they map against the different phases of the
FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle"

TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Directory of Survey Respondents": contact information
for each company/solution provider that responded to the survey

FOR PURCHASE: "Cost/Impact Spreadsheet Tool": a tool that provides a means
to estimate the direct and indirect costs/impacts of phishing to a financial
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FSTC extends its gratitude to its member organizations for their efforts and
contributions in completing this important industry research, and to the
project's talented management team for helping our members realize their
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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Jim Bell arrested, documents online
Message-ID: <mailman.26.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



At 09:48 PM 11/24/00 -0500, Greg Newby wrote:
>
>But seriously, folks: How would you work with a like-minded
>distributed group to murder someone?  Preferably with guaranteed
>no risk of discovery or prosecution to the participants.


 RTFM






















From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Schneier: Why Digital Signatures are not Signatures (was
      Re:CRYPTO-GRAM, November 15, 2000)
Message-ID: <mailman.27.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



The Word example actually has other worrying problems not mentioned. A Word
document contains a lot of hidden information, including other versions. It
would be quite easy to sign a Word document that, when you viewed it, looks
significantly different then it could be displayed without violating the
signature. This is due to numerous problems, the most basic of which is that
we often don't sign what we view but instead some binary that we _believe_
represents what we viewed but often does not. This is not just theoretical
nor esoteric, but quite easy as the Word example shows.

In effect we have absolutely no idea what we are signing most of the time
even without comprimise of keys, programs and all that good stuff.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-cryptography at c2.net [mailto:owner-cryptography at c2.net]On
> Behalf Of R. A. Hettinga
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:51 PM
> To: dcsb at ai.mit.edu; Digital Bearer Settlement List;
> cryptography at c2.net; cypherpunks at cyberpass.net
> Subject: Schneier: Why Digital Signatures are not Signatures (was
> Re:CRYPTO-GRAM, November 15, 2000)
>
>
> At 5:58 PM -0600 on 11/15/00, Bruce Schneier wrote:
>
>
> >     Why Digital Signatures Are Not Signatures
> >
> >
> >












From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: September 6, 2001
Subject: Microsoft Press Release On Digital Signatures
Message-ID: <mailman.28.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Microsoft announced today that all future press releases will
be signed with PGP digital signatures so that readers can verify
that they're reading genuine Microsoft press releases,
not forgeries from hackers trying to manipulate the stock price.
Microsoft's corporate PGP key 0xB9C8B513 is on the Network Associates 
keyservers, and you can verify the signatures there.

Microsoft's public relations department also announced that
plans for World Domination 2.0 are ahead of schedule,
and declined to comment on Bill Gates's muttered reference to the
antitrust prosecutors as a major-league %^%*&@.


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From mp at misproductos.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: mp at misproductos.com (MisProductos.com)
Date: Wednesday 18-Jul-2001 17:58:13
Subject: Estas ofertas son para t�...
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From carimachet at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: carimachet at gmail.com (Cari Machet)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
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>Law mother fucking suit ... i will contact my lawyer friends - see if anyo=
ne thinks you have standing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Don't bother. =C2=A0It was somewhat of a joke for me to menti=
on the "story royalty" line. =C2=A0 Since having spent thousands of hours i=
n Federal prison law libraries, I studied many different areas of law, far =
beyond criminal law and appeals, including copyright law. =C2=A0I am not aw=
are that copyright law would protect such an idea. =C2=A0If I had written a=
 play or a script for a movie, THAT would be my own under copyright law. =
=C2=A0But not merely the underlying idea. =C2=A0Now, nothing would prevent =
one of these studios from giving me some sort of credit on a line at the en=
d of the show, but they wouldn't owe me money legally. =C2=A0I am much more=
 upset that they took TWENTY FUCKING YEARS to steal the idea, than the fact=
 they 'stole' it.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I should also take the opportunity to point out that I wrote =
my AP essay independently from, and completely unaware of, the previous dis=
cussions by Tim May and Robin Hanson. =C2=A0(I didn't even have Internet ac=
cess, except as a portal, until mid-1995, and was entirely unaware of the C=
ypherpunks list; =C2=A0AP part one was actually published here by somebody =
else.).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The major differences included: =C2=A0Tim May and Robin Hanso=
n both referred to the idea, the one that would one day be seen as "assassi=
nation markets", as being "abhorrent markets". =C2=A0See Cyphernomicon 16.1=
6.4. That they were repelled by the idea, presumably, is one reason they di=
dn't rhetorically follow the concept out to its ultimate, logical outcome. =
=C2=A0I, on the other hand, and totally unaware of their work, thought that=
 assassination markets would actually be a truly wonderful idea, precisely =
because of their capability to destroy governments, make militaries unneces=
sary and indeed impossible to maintain (critically, including nuclear weapo=
ns), and completely replace the current 'criminal justice system' with a fa=
r-fairer alternative. =C2=A0THEY merely stuck their big toes into the cold =
pool, whereas I did a belly-flop. =C2=A0(With the accompanying pain, <sigh>=
). =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 They probably started out by thinking something like, "If per=
son A can anonymously hire person B to kill person C, that could lead to mi=
schief." =C2=A0Sure it could. =C2=A0But I approached the problem differentl=
y: =C2=A0I saw that very few people would want to pay, say, $10,000 to buy =
someone else's death. =C2=A0But I immediately also saw that 10,000 people m=
ight want to pay $1 each for that outcome. =C2=A0That amounts to a crowdsou=
rced decision, with its accompanying advantages and benefits. =C2=A0And I a=
lso saw that such a functioning system would deter virtually everything whi=
ch we call wrong in today's society. =C2=A0Anybody who is trying to argue a=
gainst an AP-type system is inherently attempting to defend the hugely flaw=
ed status quo, even if they don't realize that.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I also solved David Friedman's "Hard problem", see his book, =
"The Machinery of Freedom", =C2=A0the previously-assumed difficulty or impo=
ssibility of providing for the defense of a fully libertarian or anarchisti=
c society. =C2=A0Perhaps my big advantage was that I didn't know Friedman's=
 "Hard Problem" even existed, at least under that label, until long after I=
'd already solved it.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jim Bell



  
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ferent areas of law, far beyond criminal law and appeals, including copyrig=
ht law. &nbsp;I am not aware that copyright law would protect such an idea.=
 &nbsp;If I had written a play or a script for a movie, THAT would be my ow=
n under copyright law. &nbsp;But not merely the underlying idea. &nbsp;Now,=
 nothing would prevent one of these studios from giving me some sort of cre=
dit on a line at the end of the show, but they wouldn't owe me money legall=
y. &nbsp;I am much more upset that they took TWENTY FUCKING YEARS to steal =
the idea, than the fact they 'stole' it.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_=
16_0_1_1446229456410_56549"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
446229456410_56549">&nbsp; &nbsp; I should also take the opportunity to poi=
nt out that I wrote my AP essay independently from, and completely unaware =
of, the previous discussions by Tim May and Robin Hanson. &nbsp;(I didn't e=
ven have Internet access, except as a portal, until mid-1995, and was entir=
ely unaware of the Cypherpunks list; &nbsp;AP part one was actually publish=
ed here by somebody else.).</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144622=
9456410_56549"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446229456410_=
56549">&nbsp; &nbsp; The major differences included: &nbsp;Tim May and Robi=
n Hanson both referred to the idea, the one that would one day be seen as "=
assassination markets", as being "abhorrent markets". &nbsp;See Cyphernomic=
on 16.16.4. That they were repelled by the idea, presumably, is one reason =
they didn't rhetorically follow the concept out to its ultimate, logical ou=
tcome. &nbsp;I, on the other hand, and totally unaware of their work, thoug=
ht that assassination markets would actually be a truly wonderful idea, pre=
cisely because of their capability to destroy governments, make militaries =
unnecessary and indeed impossible to maintain (critically, including nuclea=
r weapons), and completely replace the current 'criminal justice system' wi=
th a far-fairer alternative. &nbsp;THEY merely stuck their big toes into th=
e cold pool, whereas I did a belly-flop. &nbsp;(With the accompanying pain,=
 &lt;sigh&gt;). &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14462294564=
10_56549"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446229456410_56549=
">&nbsp; &nbsp; They probably started out by thinking something like, "If p=
erson A can anonymously hire person B to kill person C, that could lead to =
mischief." &nbsp;Sure it could. &nbsp;But I approached the problem differen=
tly: &nbsp;I saw that very few people would want to pay, say, $10,000 to bu=
y someone else's death. &nbsp;But I immediately also saw that 10,000 people=
 might want to pay $1 each for that outcome. &nbsp;That amounts to a crowds=
ourced decision, with its accompanying advantages and benefits. &nbsp;And I=
 also saw that such a functioning system would deter virtually everything w=
hich we call wrong in today's society. &nbsp;Anybody who is trying to argue=
 against an AP-type system is inherently attempting to defend the hugely fl=
awed status quo, even if they don't realize that.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=
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"Hard problem", see his book, "The Machinery of Freedom", &nbsp;the previou=
sly-assumed difficulty or impossibility of providing for the defense of a f=
ully libertarian or anarchistic society. &nbsp;Perhaps my big advantage was=
 that I didn't know Friedman's "Hard Problem" even existed, at least under =
that label, until long after I'd already solved it.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446229456410_56549">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446229456410_56549">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
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> Americans, on the other hand, MEAN IT when they talk about the
> weather. They sit up and pay attention when forecasts appear.
> All US cable systems carry a channel which broadcasts
> nothing except weather reports, 24x7 - a notion which seems as
> bizarre to Europeans as would a channel for watching the grass
> grow.

Hey, I saw one of these in Switzerland, too, so it's not an "american only"
thing.

Mark








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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Financial identity is *dangerous*? (was re: Fake companies,
Message-ID: <mailman.34.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

real money)
From: Somebody at a Central Securities Depository :-)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:31:10 +0100


i buy the argument that transaction instantaneity is a solution to the
identity theft problem - my cash in your hands, at the same time (now) as
your goods in my hands, in a way that allows both of us to ensure we have
got what we wanted.  But there's a trade-off; I have to use money, not
credit, now - your point about the buyer 'lending' the seller cash at 0%
interest.  I'm not sure how "the system compensates" for that.  It seems to
me it becomes a risk-cost trade-off for the individual: I can work out the
cost to me of using real money not credit; then I know what I am paying to
insure myself against identity theft.  Of course I probably rely on the
credit people covering me against a lot of the risk of identity theft, and
I may not even pay them for that cost (if it is built into the APR they
charge and I can avoid interest by paying off the card quickly)... so to me
identity theft risk is almost costless.  Why then would I choose to insure
myself explicitly by using cash instead of credit?

What is it that makes all the individuals start thinking about the best
interests of "the system" (which should be cheaper without all these hidden
insurance costs) instead of thinking about their own interests?!

David



"R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>

12/10/2004 15:52        
        To:        John Kelsey <kelsey.j at ix.netcom.com>,
cryptography at metzdowd.com, cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
        cc:        
        Subject:        Re: Financial identity is *dangerous*? (was re:
Fake companies,  real money)



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At 9:49 AM -0400 10/12/04, John Kelsey wrote:
>Hmmm.  I guess I don't see why this story supports that argument all
>that well.

More like the straw that broke the camel's back, admittedly.

A long time ago I came to the conclusion that the closer we get to
transaction instantaneity, the less counterparty identity matters at
all. That is, the fastest transaction we can think of is a
cryptographically secure glop of bits that is issued by an entity who
is responsible for the integrity of the transaction and the quality
of assets that the bits represent. Blind signature notes work fine
for a first-order approximation. In other words, an internet bearer
transaction.

In such a scenario, nobody *cares* who the counterparties are for two
reasons. The first reason is existential: title to the asset has
transferred instantaneously. There is *no* float. I have it now, so I
don't *care* who you were, because, well, it's *mine* now. :-).

Second, keeping an audit trail when the title is never in question
is, in the best circumstances superfluous and expensive, and, in the
worst, even dangerous for any of a number of security reasons,
depending on the color of your adversary's hat, or the color your
adversary thinks his hat is, or whatever. Keeping track of credit
card numbers in a database is an extant problem, for instance, with a
known, shall we say, market cost. We'll leave political seizure  and
other artifacts of totalitarianism to counted by the actuaries.

> Clearly, book entry systems where I can do transactions in your
>name and you are held liable for them are bad, but that's like
>looking at Windows 98's security flaws and deciding that x86
>processors can't support good OS security.

I'm walking out on a limb here, in light of what I said above, and
saying that when there's *any* float in the process, your liability
for identity theft increases with the float involved. Furthermore,
book-entry transactions *require* float, somewhere. They are
debt-dependent. Someone has to *borrow* money to effect a
transaction. (In a bearer transaction, the shoe's on the other foot,
the purchaser is *loaning* money, at zero interest, but that's what
the buyer wants so the system compensates accordingly, but that's
another story.) Because the purchaser has to borrow money to pay, and
because you *cannot* wring the float out of a transaction (that is,
you can get instantaneous execution, but the transaction clears and
settles at a later date; 90 days is the maximum float time for a
non-repudiated credit-card transaction, for instance), I claim that
book-entry transactions will *always* be liable for "identity" theft.

Put another way, remember Doug Barnes' famous quip that "and then you
go to jail" is not an acceptable error handling step for a
transnational internet transaction protocol.

I would claim that enforcement of identity as a legal concept costs
too much in the long run to be useful, and that the cheapest way to
avoid the whole problem is to go to systems which not only don't
require identity, but they don't even require book-entry *accounts*
at all to function at the user level.

Financial cryptography has had that technology for more than two
decades now, so long that the patent's about expired on it, if it
hasn't already.

>The aspect of this that's generally spooky is not the existence of
>book entry payment systems, it's the ease with which someone can get
>credit (in one form or another) in your name, based on information
>they got from public records and maybe a bit of dumpster diving,
>some spyware installed on your machine, or a phishing expedition.
>How the payment systems are cleared isn't going to change that,
>right?  (I know you've thought about this stuff a lot more than I
>have, so maybe I'm missing something....)

See above. When you use book-entry transactions, by definition, you
need identity. Biometric, is-a-person,
go-to-jail-if-you-lie-about-a-book-entry identity. With bearer
transactions, digital/internet or otherwise, you don't have identity.
You don't *need* identity to execute, clear, and settle the
transaction, primarily because all three happen at once. There's no
float between the three activities. You don't have to send someone to
jail if they lie, because the transaction never executes in the first
place if they do.

Now, there are tradeoffs. The first one is key management, which as
Schneier likes to point out, is a hard problem. Personally, I think
that if you don't have to associate a key with a flesh-and-blood body
in meatspace, a whole continent full of problems just disappears. In
a bearer transaction, it's orthogonal to the issue of security
anyway, and all it does is cost you money to do for no added benefit.

The second one is security of the digital bearer notes and coins
themselves, which, frankly, scares people in the finance business
most of all. However, I would claim that all organizations, and even
people :-), do their *database* and document backups already, and
that proper system hygiene will evolve, particularly if literal money
is involved. Frankly, there already is a market for distributed data
storage, and there are even working systems using m-of-n distributed
data storage, which would be the most secure way to solve the
problem. And, as we all know, digital bearer transactions are the
best *way* to pay for those kinds of m-of-n services anyway, so it
feeds on itself nicely.


I think that it's less of a chicken-and-egg problem than it used to
be, and I think that reality is catching up to all the theory we've
kicked around on these lists for more than a decade now.  The
ultimate solution to the problem of identity theft is to not use
identity at all, and, frankly, not even to use book-entries at all.

Cheers,
RAH






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"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18469" style=3D"font-family:Helvet=
icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-s=
ize:16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
18468"> ----- Forwarded Message -----<br clear=3D"none">  <font id=3D"yiv51=
82106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_18471" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> jim bell &lt;jdb10987 at yahoo=
.com&gt;<br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span>=
</b> Ari Juels &lt;juels at cornell.edu&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting at gmail.com" &lt;runting at gmail=
.com&gt;; "akosba at cs.umd.edu" &lt;akosba at cs.umd.edu&gt;; Cpunks List &lt;cy=
pherpunks at cpunks.org&gt; <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 21, 2015 2:50 AM<br clear=3D"none=
"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper =
on criminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_1921=
9"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_19222"><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_19221" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helveti=
caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_49=
59"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: &=
nbsp; &nbsp;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_8900" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.google.com/ur=
l?sa=3Dt&amp;rct=3Dj&amp;q=3D&amp;esrc=3Ds&amp;source=3Dweb&amp;cd=3D3&amp;=
cad=3Drja&amp;uact=3D8&amp;ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&a=
mp;url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2=
Fpublic_gyges.pdf&amp;usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&amp;sig2=3DL=
_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&amp;bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU">https://www.google.com/=
url?sa=3Dt&amp;rct=3Dj&amp;q=3D&amp;esrc=3Ds&amp;source=3Dweb&amp;cd=3D3&am=
p;cad=3Drja&amp;uact=3D8&amp;ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY=
&amp;url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09=
%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&amp;usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&amp;sig2=
=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&amp;bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959"><span><br =
clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_4959"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8=
941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels,&nbsp;</span></div><div id=3D"yiv5=
182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><=
span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5057">Once you read my e=
ssay, I think you will understand my concern about the motivation for your =
research, and its potential consequences. &nbsp; Superficially, and certain=
ly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assassination Politics essay), &nbsp=
;I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed beneficial to try to prevent the cons=
truction and operation of "criminal contracts". &nbsp; One problem that I s=
ee, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "criminal" may mean no more than "wh=
at the government wants to ban" rather than an actual victim crime. &nbsp;W=
orse, governments are powerfully motivated to prevent developments that wil=
l someday likely destroy them.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv518210=
6525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><span class=3D"yiv5=
182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5503">I suggest th=
at you study the analyses of Bob Vroman &nbsp;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754" target=3D"_blank"=
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ape">http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape<=
/a>&nbsp; &nbsp; , &nbsp; &nbsp;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yi=
v5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated at minder.net/msg02068.html">http=
://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated at minder.net/msg02068.html</a> =
&nbsp; &nbsp; and &nbsp;of Bob Murphy, &nbsp;</span><span class=3D"yiv51821=
06525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5851" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">www.anti-sta=
te.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_5855" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;lin=
e-height:20.2222px;">com/murphy/</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"=
yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" style=3D"font-size:small;font=
-weight:bold;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">murphy17=
</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5859" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-h=
eight:20.2222px;">.</span><span class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" style=3D"font-size:small;font-weight:bold;=
font-family:arial, sans-serif;line-height:20.2222px;">html</span>&nbsp; &nb=
sp;(although the Murphy essay might not be available, except as an archive.=
) &nbsp;as well as by R. &nbsp;Sukumaran &nbsp;&nbsp;<a rel=3D"nofollow" sh=
ape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv5182106525" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5597" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysi=
s/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_040=
4.html" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">http://www.idsa.in/s=
trategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket=
_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" i=
d=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058">Further, consider<br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_14428251=
09502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058">&nbsp;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=
=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6139" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/ana=
rchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md">htt=
ps://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchi=
sm/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md</a></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5058"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1442825109502_6418" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://c4ss.org/conten=
t/1157">https://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=
=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><a rel=
=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6562" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" style=3D"backgroun=
d-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com</a><br clear=3D"none"=
></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_6678" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/An=
archo_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrectionist_anca=
pism/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/argument=
s_for_against_insurrectionist_ancapism/</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_6595">There is a lot more where this comes from.<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, =
technologies such as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply=
 did not exist. But today they do, or at least they soon will. &nbsp;And th=
at, I consider to be an extremely good thing.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y=
iv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">So perhaps =
you will understand that I consider that trying to prevent _all_ "criminal =
contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dangerous mistake. &nbs=
p;While I do not believe that such an effort can ever succeed, I think it w=
ould be best not to try.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_6595"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv=
5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
p; Jim Bell</div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
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25109502_4963" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetic=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <div =
class=3D"yiv5182106525qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_20829=
"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5182106525yq=
t9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd98087"><hr id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16=
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_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_6554" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ari Juels &lt;juels=
@cornell.edu&gt;<br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell &lt;jdb10987 at yahoo.com&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting at gmail.com" &lt;runtin=
g at gmail.com&gt;; "akosba at cs.umd.edu" &lt;akosba at cs.umd.edu&gt; <br clear=3D=
"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Se=
ptember 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_=
0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502=
_5054" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your paper on cr=
iminal contracts<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv51=
82106525yqt9568891420" id=3D"yiv5182106525yqtfd83074"> <div class=3D"yiv518=
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<div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4969"><br clear=3D"none"=
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<div id=3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your=
 original note and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your es=
say and cite it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come o=
ut in January).</div>
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From ravage at einstein.ssz.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: CDR: Question re diskette data security
Message-ID: <mailman.37.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>For the CD I'd probably use some sort of NMR at a high scan frequency (ie
>higher resolution) and create a 3D map of the geometry of the CD (ie where
>are the edges and where are the bubbles). Then I'd import that into a
>AutoCAD and use AUTOLisp to overlay a standard template. Then the AUTOLisp
>routine could deduce what recognizable filesystems were on it. From there
>it could convert it into a dd sort of image. This would get more
>complicated for multi-layer disks.
>
>Note that using AUTOLisp doesn't bode well in the speed deamon department.

But probably faster than factoring a 2048-bit modulus, no?  (of course, once you 
have the contents, you still might have to do that)

Not being familiar with NMR, I wonder if it would be equally effective on 
CD-ROM, CD-R and/or CD-RW.  CD-ROM has a solid physical geometry to it, but 
recordables would be less physically definite, I'd think.  Antidote to my 
ignoragce is welcome.




From konlens at lycos.it  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: konlens at lycos.it (Konlens)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19.59.33 +0100
Subject: Astro
Message-ID: <3B4502A100AC1611@mailrelay2.inwind.it> (added by postmaster@inwind.it)



Regalati le stelle!

Telscopio proffesionale fino ad esaurimento scorte.Approfitta delle belle notti estive!

http://astro.6go.net



Se per motivi tecnici non riesci a visualizzare il sito,prova al secondo indirizzo: http://astro114.cjb.net
oppure scrivici una e-mai: astro114 at katamail.com


Cordiali saluti!

KonLens srl




From hahaha at sexyfun.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: hahaha at sexyfun.net (Hahaha)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
Message-ID: <mailman.38.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and
polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a 
*huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven
Dwarfs enter...

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From jeffersgary at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: jeffersgary at hotmail.com (Gary Jeffers)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Alternative Physics - Tom Bearden's site
Message-ID: <mailman.39.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



               Alternative Physics - Tom Bearden's site

My fellow Cypherpunks,

   I've found a really interesting site based on alternative
physics.
http://www.cheniere.org - Tom Bearden's site.

   The site also deals with free energy, zero point energy, scalars,
health physics, alternate physics weapons, and mind control physics.

   Some of Bearden's interesting pages:

THE FINAL SECRET OF FREE ENERGY
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/final%secret%209%20feb%201993/index.html
- It may or may not be necessary to replace "%" with blanks.

ANNOTATED GLOSSARY BY TOM BEARDEN (of physics)
http://www.intalek.com/warpdrive/glossary1.pdf

Some teasing bait for physicists:

34 FLAWS IN CLASSICAL EM THEORY
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/34flaws.htm

A VISUAL TOUR OF WHAT THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT ELECTRICAL
CIRCUITS
http://www.cheniere.org/briefings/circuitcurrents/index.html

   If this site is true then "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG!" The
quote is from FireSign Theater - a comedy group.

Yours Truly,
Gary Jeffers

Beat State!



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Date: mer., 19 sept. 2001 15:12:02
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From Michael at Oz  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Michael at Oz (Michael at Oz)
Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:08 PM
Subject: [thingiverse] 3D printing & intellectual property rights - So why
Message-ID: <mailman.40.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

are we bothering with GPL,CC etc licenses?
To: thingiverse at googlegroups.com


I came across the following and thought a precis may be handy.

It implies much of what is on the 'verse is not copyrightable (apart from
the artistic stuff), just useful articles.
It would even be questionable whether scad programs are copyright.

So are the licensing aspects bogus? I started out thinking so, but read
on...

http://www.publicknowledge.org/Copyright-3DPrinting

*"In a practical sense, copyrights and patents are mutually exclusive. If
you have a useful article you cannot protect it with a copyright.
Conversely, you will not be issued a patent on an artistic
work.[9]<http://www.publicknowledge.org/Copyright-3DPrinting#_ftn9>That
means that if something is eligible for patent protection b even if it
does not have patent protection b it cannot be protected by copyright. This
dichotomy is part of the reason why most of the physical world is not
protected by any type of intellectual property. Most physical objects serve
some utilitarian function, which means that they are not eligible for
>copyright protection."*

*"As 3D printing and modeling grow in popularity, it is likely that we will
see more companies and individuals assuming they have a copyright for a
design or object and demanding removal of unauthorized versions. While most
modern songs, movies, and pictures are protected by copyright, the same
cannot be said for physical objects. For that reason, when a site receives
a takedown request it may be wise to at least consider if the object is
protected by copyright in the first place."*

"*For 3D printing, this digital form is often that of an .stl
file.<http://www.publicknowledge.org/Copyright-3DPrinting#_ftn43>These
files can be thought of as the object equivalent of a .pdf file b
they are more or less universally printable by 3D printers and allow
objects to be transferred digitally around the
world.<http://www.publicknowledge.org/Copyright-3DPrinting#_ftn44>But
are they protected by copyright? And if they are protected by copyright,
what does that mean? *

* .Stl files are certainly protect able by copyright. Copyright law
specifically mentions "maps, globes, charts, diagrams, models, and
technical drawings, including architectural plans" as included within the
scope of works eligible for
protection.<http://www.publicknowledge.org/Copyright-3DPrinting#_ftn45>
 However, that does not automatically mean that every design file for
a
physical object is actually protected by copyright. *
* *

* After all, if a given diagram is the only practical way to virtually
represent a physical object, a copyright on that diagram would prevent
anyone from making any virtual versions of the
object.<http://www.publicknowledge.org/Copyright-3DPrinting#_ftn46>This
would give the holder of that copyright a great deal of control over
the distribution and manufacture of the object itself. *
* In order to avoid this outcome, copyright law limits the copyrightability
of these types of works"

"Furthermore, even if the design file is protected by copyright, creating a
physical version will not infringe on any copyright that exists in the
file. No copyright on the design of a useful object extends copyright
protection to the object itself." ..."**Furthermore, there is some
indication that copying a file of a useful object protected by copyright
for the purposes of creating the useful object is not copyright
infringement."

*

*"One way to avoid some of these thorny copyright questions is by
distributing objects and designs with permissive licenses such as those
provided by Creative Commons.Unfortunately this solution can break down
when applied to physical objects beyond the scope of copyright. To put it
simply, you cannot license what you do not have."*

*"All of that being said, licensing of noncopyrightable files can serve at
least two useful purposes b one legal and one cultural.*
* *

*"The legal purpose is something of a hedge against future legal change. As
detailed in this paper, there are many open questions surrounding just what
types (and parts) of objects are and are not protectable by copyright.
Granting a license today means that the usage conditions of the object are
clear no matter how copyright law evolves in the future. As long as the
creator does not believe that merely granting the license gives them the
right to control non-copyrightable parts of the work, there is little
downside to futureproofing the status of the object.*
* *

*The second, cultural, purpose is probably the more important one.
Licensing can be an important signaling device even when it is not legally
enforceable. Attaching a Creative Commons license is a signal that the
creator wants to include her work in an ever-expanding and evolving network
of creativity. It gives the rest of the community confidence that they can
build on the object."*

*
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2000, Ben Laurie wrote:

> Bram Cohen wrote:
> >
> > And if you build a protocol which is a pain to use, noone will use it.
>
> What, like SSL, for example?

SSL is not a pain to use, and it isn't effective against man in the middle
attacks, since an attacker could simply make the end user connection be
done via unencrypted http and most end users wouldn't notice.

It is, however, quite effective against passive attacks, which is all
that's really important.

-Bram Cohen










From PeggyHalverson-pegnorth at northernnet.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: PeggyHalverson-pegnorth at northernnet.com (PeggyHalverson-pegnorth at northernnet.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Can images be coded so they cannot be downloaded?
Message-ID: <mailman.42.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hello:

As a Web Designer, I am sure many other designers have this
same question.

I am ready to post a website live that has a famous picture on it.
My client is wondering if it can be coded so that the images
cannot be downloaded or copied from the website.

Would you know what coding to use to do this? I know it exists,
but have not been able to find it. The ones that do have it of
course only have one sentence on the "View Source" function
about it being a secure page.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank You,

Peggy Halverson
DESIGNETT Web Design & Development
www.designett.com
admin at designett.com


ANSWERS:


From WonderPaint-support at wonderpaint.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: WonderPaint-support at wonderpaint.com (WonderPaint-support at wonderpaint.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Work on your site without being online
Message-ID: <mailman.43.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From:  Ron Guthrie   - rcguthrie at earthlink.net
>Subject:  Problems with my Beseen free hit counter? (Issue #434)
>
>I have a Beseen free hit counter on my index page of my website.
>Everytime I download it from the Internet to make any changes on
>it and try and upload the page my hit counter presents a pop up
>window saying there is an older version already on the page and
>asks if I want to use it or the newer version... Anyone familiar
>with this problem?

What do you mean download the page!?  You should have a copy
of your complete website available on your local computer.  Thus
you can work on the site without an internet connection. With an
online connection absolute URL's like a BeSeen counter will still
function on your local site.  Sure it will throw the actual counter
numbers off a little ... but those things aren't 100% accurate anyway.
(Next time you see one on someone's page try hitting "Reload" a
couple times.)

Having a local copy of your site means you can make changes
and ascertain that changes are acceptable before uploading.  Most
importantly, it protects you from losing the entire website if something
happens to your service provider.  If his hard drive crashes tomorrow
are you ready to rebuild your site from scratch?

Finally, FTP your redesigned pages to the server.  Overwrite the
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The color grey/subdued pink is really nice and if you do have a beach to
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<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; QUESTIONS:
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Can images be coded so they cannot be downloaded?
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp; ANSWERS:
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Problems with my Beseen free hit counter?
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; J. Shofstall:
Work on your site without being online
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<p><b>QUESTIONS:</b>
<p>From:&nbsp; Peggy Halverson&nbsp;&nbsp; - pegnorth at northernnet.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Can images be coded so they cannot be downloaded?
<p>Hello:
<p>As a Web Designer, I am sure many other designers have this
<br>same question.
<p>I am ready to post a website live that has a famous picture on it.
<br>My client is wondering if it can be coded so that the images
<br>cannot be downloaded or copied from the website.
<p>Would you know what coding to use to do this? I know it exists,
<br>but have not been able to find it. The ones that do have it of
<br>course only have one sentence on the "View Source" function
<br>about it being a secure page.
<p>Any help would be appreciated.
<p>Thank You,
<p>Peggy Halverson
<br>DESIGNETT Web Design &amp; Development
<br><a href="http://www.designett.com">www.designett.com</a>
<br>admin at designett.com
<br>&nbsp;
<p><b>ANSWERS:</b>
<p>From:&nbsp; WonderPaint&nbsp;&nbsp; - support at wonderpaint.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Work on your site without being online
<p>>From:&nbsp; Ron Guthrie&nbsp;&nbsp; - rcguthrie at earthlink.net
<br>>Subject:&nbsp; Problems with my Beseen free hit counter? (Issue #434)
<br>>
<br>>I have a Beseen free hit counter on my index page of my website.
<br>>Everytime I download it from the Internet to make any changes on
<br>>it and try and upload the page my hit counter presents a pop up
<br>>window saying there is an older version already on the page and
<br>>asks if I want to use it or the newer version... Anyone familiar
<br>>with this problem?
<p>What do you mean download the page!?&nbsp; You should have a copy
<br>of your complete website available on your local computer.&nbsp; Thus
<br>you can work on the site without an internet connection. With an
<br>online connection absolute URL's like a BeSeen counter will still
<br>function on your local site.&nbsp; Sure it will throw the actual counter
<br>numbers off a little ... but those things aren't 100% accurate anyway.
<br>(Next time you see one on someone's page try hitting "Reload" a
<br>couple times.)
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pop
<br>up windows!
<br>~~~~
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part of
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<br>Still on page one:
<br>The animated banner is a little annoying. I prefer static banners.
But this
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The one
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<p>The color grey/subdued pink is really nice and if you do have a beach
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through a
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<br>~~~~
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From jamesd at echeque.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A.. Donald)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.44.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> Origami world.

To be honest, I was thinking about lots dots - no easily inferred shapes,
but pretty obvious for a human. If the state-of-the-art software using
neural nets and what not is capable of reading even *letters* made up of
many dots (circles) in different colors, shapes, and textures (and with many
"false" dots in colors that blend in the background for the human eye), then
the programmers are much more advanced than anything I read about.

> Computer generates a random 3D object out of large polygons with fairly
> sharp angles of contact, subject to various limits on the way in which the
> object is generated.  Displays 2D image of 3D object.
>
> Human infers 3D object from 2D image, infers unseen portions of the image
> from rules by which the 3D image is generated -- for example that the
> object must make sense mechanically -- that it should be stable resting on
> a plane.

I don't know how well people would manage to do that. One requirement was to
be easy for a human to answer the puzzle.

Mark








From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: IP: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, 
Message-ID: <mailman.45.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Carnivore us e
Cc: SAlbertazzie at steptoe.com, SBaker at steptoe.com

Dave,
I'm glad to see Stu joining the civil libertarian crowd. He's right, of 
course, that there are reasons to be uneasy about the new "Combating 
Terrorism Act."

Current law permits specific Justice Department officials to authorize 
meatspace telephone pen register and trap and trace devices without a court 
order in two circumstances. Here's an excerpt from the U.S. Code:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/3125.html
>an emergency situation exists that involves immediate danger of death or 
>serious bodily injury to any person [or] conspiratorial activities 
>characteristic of organized crime

This bill does three things of note:

1. It adds "U.S. Attorney" to the list of officials who can authorize 
warantless surveillance.

2. It expands the "emergency situation" rule beyond serious bodily 
injury/organized crime. I described this in my article:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46852,00.html
>Circumstances that don't require court orders include an "immediate threat 
>to the national security interests of the United States, (an) immediate 
>threat to public health or safety or an attack on the integrity or 
>availability of a protected computer." That covers most computer hacking 
>offenses.

3. It rewrites pen register/trap and trace law and moves it from the 
telephone world to explicitly cover computer networks as well, which would 
permit Carnivore's use under this section (when operated in 
trap-and-trace/pen-register mode). Here are some excerpts from the bill:

http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cta.091401.html
>The order shall, upon service of the order, apply to any entity providing 
>wire or electronic communication service in the United States... inserting 
>``, routing, addressing,'' after ``dialing''... by striking ``call 
>processing'' and inserting ``the processing and transmitting of wire and 
>electronic communications''...

Now, whether all this is, as Stu blandly suggests, "a bit alarmist," is up 
to IPers to decide. But I think Senator Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the 
Senate Judiciary committee, put it well during the floor debate last night. 
Here's a quote from the Congressional Record.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/s091301.html
>LEAHY: Maybe the Senate wants to just go ahead and adopt new abilities to 
>wiretap our citizens. Maybe they want to adopt new abilities to go into 
>people's computers. Maybe that will make us feel safer. Maybe. And maybe 
>what the terrorists have done made us a little bit less safe. Maybe they 
>have increased Big Brother in this country.

-Declan

**********


From declan at well.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: IP: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carn 
Message-ID: <mailman.46.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

ivore us e
Cc: "Albertazzie, Sally" <SAlbertazzie at steptoe.com>
To: "Baker, Stewart" <SBaker at steptoe.com>, farber at cis.upenn.edu, 
ip-sub-1 at majordomo.pobox.com
Subject: RE: IP: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carn 
ivore us e
Cc: "Albertazzie, Sally" <SAlbertazzie at steptoe.com>

Stu,

Maybe you're right. Maybe this expansion of warrantless surveillance powers 
is unobjectionable. Maybe the FBI and the state law enforcement agencies 
that will be able to legally use Carnivore without a court order in some 
circumstances will prove entirely trustworthy. Maybe they truly do need 
this power in emergencies. Maybe it'll even stop some terrorists. Maybe 
you're correct to say, "What's the big deal?"

But let's have that discussion in public, during daylight hours, in a 
hearing room where reasoned conversation can take place. Let's ask the FBI 
director and the attorney general to testify, and let's invite 
representatives from groups like the ACLU, CDT and EPIC to join them. Let's 
allow senators to ask the bill's sponsors tough questions about what this 
oddly-written legislation really does. And let's give them as much time as 
they need to answer.

What we shouldn't do is rush substantial rewrites of wiretapping law 
through the Senate in the middle of the night, just two days after the 
worst terrorist attack ever, when the country is in the throes of a 
national emergency. What we shouldn't do is have the legislation's sponsors 
-- and I don't doubt that they have the best of intentions -- hand it to 
their fellow senators just 30 minutes or so before a vote, which is what 
reportedly happened Thursday night.

Stu, you've worked both in the government and in the private sector. You've 
studied wiretap law more closely than nearly anyone else. You know how it 
works. But would most senators know offhand what expanding wiretapping to 
include "any criminal violation of sections 2332, 2332a, 2332b, 2332d, 
2339A, or 2339B" means?

This is what Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the chairman of the 
Judiciary committee and a former prosecutor, said during the floor debate: 
"Do we really show respect to the American people by slapping something 
together, something that nobody on the floor can explain, and say we are 
changing the duties of the Attorney General, the Director of the CIA, the 
U.S. attorneys, we are going to change your rights as Americans, your 
rights to privacy? We are going to do it with no hearings, no debate. We 
are going to do it with numbers on a page that nobody can understand."

Senator Carl Levin of Michigan said he had no time to read what he was 
being asked to vote on, adding that he had been told the bill was merely an 
anti-terrorism measure but it seemed to do far more: "I am trying to 
understand what is in it since it came to me for the first time tonight. I 
want to be very clear, at least the way I read this, that this is not 
something that is just limited to counterterrorism, about which I think all 
of us would have a passion."

The spending bill to which the wiretap legislation ("Combating Terrorism 
Act of 2001") was attached will have to go to conference committee and 
then, probably, both chambers of Congress for another vote. That process 
means the bill won't become law for weeks at best. During that time, 
Congress could have held at least one hearing on the bill; in fact, Leahy 
said he would have done so immediately. If the bill is so vital to our 
national security, couldn't it survive a straight up-or-down floor vote, 
rather than be attached to a massive must-pass appropriations bill for the 
Justice, Commerce, and State departments?

As a side note, even if you believe the language to be unobjectionable, 
Senate Judiciary committee aides told me they believe the wording of the 
bill -- apparently hastily-drafted, complete with typos -- may cover the 
content of communications, not just origin-desination information. If 
they're not sure, and they had a full day to read it by the time I spoke 
with them Friday, how can you be so positive your interpretation is 
correct? Even if you're right, doesn't it make sense to double-check?

During the next few months and years, we may see calls for restricting the 
freedoms Americans have enjoyed as a way to respond to and thwart 
terrorists. Many of these new laws and regulations are unobjectionable; I 
don't mind tighter temporary security around government buildings and 
airports. But others are more deserving of enlightened discussion and 
debate. Let's hope that happens, not in the darkness of midnight votes, but 
in public in the light of day.

-Declan

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From NealL at mwicorp.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: NealL at mwicorp.com (Neal Lang)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: NRA Prints HALF Of The Story (Barniskis)?
Message-ID: <mailman.47.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Date sent:      	Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:51:26 -0400

> Hi, Angel,
> 
> If I get real ambitious and write the definitive expose' on why
> "Project Exile" is the best thing for the "right to keep and bear
> arms" since the discovery of smokeless powder, would you have the
> "good sense" publish same on your site?
> 
> Keep the Faith,
> 
> Neal


Sure.  If you don't mind publishing your eddress so I don't have to 
invest hours on end listening to people shotgun your false 
assumptions, oversights and miscalcualtions.  :-)

Knock yourself out.  Stick it here:
https://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNPAdd.asp

Better yet, and much preferred, be the first to challenge exact excerpts 
from the Project Exile Condemnation Coalition's statement -- so you 
can heal us poor, misguided fools of our afflictions:
http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/exile2

Shamaya Smartaleck






From tib at tigerknight.org  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: tib at tigerknight.org (Tib)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.48.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> Hope I'm not being totally naive about the capability of computer
hardware, but
> I sure don't recall my PC (or any that I have ever had or can think of
> seeing) having short range broadcasting capabilities. How would this be
> theorheticly possible (despite the utter nonsense that the rumor must be)
to
> accomplish, if at all?

Read the whole paper. Look in the archives (or on Google) for TEMPEST.
Duh...

Mark








From FOX2000 at go2.pl  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: FOX2000 at go2.pl (Marek Salamaj)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Processor VIPER 
Message-ID: <mailman.49.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


I am a student from Poland. I learn in Zielona Gora on Technical 
University of Zielona Gora. 
I study computing and electronics. 
My science on that university persist five years, now I am on fifth 
year. 
My education on that of university ends when I write and execute 
M.A. thesis, therefore I apply to You. 

Subject of my work is "Modelling and Synthesis safety processor 
VIPER in VHDL". 
VIPER takes its name from "Verifiable Integrated Processor for 
Enhanced Reliability" - it is the world's first microprocessor for 
safety-critical applications. 
VIPER is 32-bit microprocessor which invented at (RSRE) the UK Royal 
Signals and Radar Establishment for use in highly safety-critical 
military and civil systems. 
This processor is safety processor, which is used to steer systems, 
in which error, or mistake can't appear during work of system. These 
systems should characterize high precision of action. 
VIPER is used at nuclear plants, on board a missile, or at a 
chemical refinery, it's going to happen: a catastrophic computer- 
related disaster. 

My work, I execute in VHDL hardware description language. This 
language, I have known on studies. 
VHDL takes its name from "V - Very High Speed Integrated Circuit and 
HDL - Hardware Description Language". 

I apply to You; Do You know something about VIPER ?; perhaps Your 
friends know something about this processor. 
If You know something about VIPER, Could You make accessible me all 
materials, documentation, algorithm of programs in VHDL or another 
languages what You have. 


Thank You, I wait for answer 

Marek Salamaj 

My personal details: 
MAREK SALAMAJ 
e-mail: FOX2000 at go2.pl 
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From Mike  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Mike (Mike)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.50.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


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From: Webmaster-webmaster at apromotionguide.com (Webmaster-webmaster at apromotionguide.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Definition and explanation of CPM
Message-ID: <mailman.51.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From:  Peter A Steeves   - logical at idirect.com
>Subject:  What does CPM mean?   (Issue #443)
>
>Please tell me what does CPM mean?  I cannot even guess.

CPM means cost per thousand. For example, if you purchase 
10,000 banner impressions at $10 CPM, you'll end up paying 
$100.

Sincerely,
Lauri Harpf
Learn to promote your site for free: 
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++++ Next Answer - Different Question ++++


From AnthonyLloyd-Rees-cutter at opalsinthebag.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: AnthonyLloyd-Rees-cutter at opalsinthebag.com (AnthonyLloyd-Rees-cutter at opalsinthebag.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Linux users receive a lot of assistance
Message-ID: <mailman.52.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From:  Terry Mills   - tlm at wwnet.net 
>Subject: Info on using Linux operation system?  (Issue #442)
>
>In answer to the question in Exchange Issue #441, 
>WonderPaint gave a pretty darn good explanation of 
>what is going on in windows.  He suggests Linux. 
>My question is can the current software on my machine 
>use Linux if I were to switch to that OS and if not, how 
>much software is available for Linux.  Seems all I find is 
>for windows and some for the mac.  

Hello Terry,

I'm sure John will reply too, but I have to put in my 2c's worth. 
The biggest difference you will experience as a Linux user is the 
amount of help and assistance that is available. If you join your 
local LUG (Linux Users Group) you may end up with a house 
full of helpful geeks! horrors!  Linux newbies are treated with 
a deference never accorded to WIndows newbies.

None of your M$ flavour software operates under Linux but that 
is really no hardship as the quantity and quality of USEFUL 
software is very extensive. To preview such offerings go to 
http://freshmeat.net/  there are many other sites that offer Linux 
software but this is everyones favourite starting place.

Hardware can present a problem if you have Win specific items. 
I have a Brother PC label maker that requires Windows so I am 
stuck with a dual boot machine until I can sort it

HTH.  Tony.

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Comments on Site #144:  http://www.tpcenterprises.com/
info at tpcenterprises.com
~~~~

There was a lot of information there.  The links were useful and 
worked just fine.  I felt the only way to understand what was 
happening would be to print off information and read it ON 
PAPER OFFLINE.
~~~~

At first glance this is an extremely well designed site. 
Navigation is easy, color choices are great and no blatant errors. 

However after spending over 10 minutes going through the site 
for several pages and checking the Questions and Answers page 
and finally going to the order page before I could find out the 
cost and possibly order the " sales kit ". 

I find that the offer is not for anyone except US citizens - therefore 
eliminating and alienating over 1/2 the internet .. ( Yes the US is 
important but the internet is a WORLD WIDE web - about 55% 
are not American. IF the product is not available anywhere else 
except in the US at this time.  State that  on your opening page. 
You may expand your market later to involve the majority of 
Internet users who are Not living in the USA and might mention 
that. The way it reads now you have P'd off anyone that had an 
interest in your proposition and went to the trouble of going 
through your presentation only to find that they can't order it.
~~~~

Overall design plan is good in navigation and viewing, but it 
is lacking in pictures.  Although graphics can slow a page 
down some, it makes the reader want to read.   So add some 
well placed graphics and maybe some pullquotes.   The title 
"Quality Wholesale Merchandise" could also use a different 
font or something.  
~~~~

This is a let's get down to business website.  Everything is 
carefully explained and simple to understand.  Definitely 
focused and sounds like a great business to be in.  The only 
things I could suggest is to have testimonials from current 
distributors and information about how long you have been 
in business.
~~~~

Great colour and layout consistent throughout the whole site,
with easy to follow text.  My only query was that International
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<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -&nbsp; Info on using Linux operation system?
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A. Lloyd-Rees: Linux
users receive a lot of assistance
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<p>From:&nbsp; Webmaster&nbsp;&nbsp; - webmaster at apromotionguide.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Definition and explanation of CPM
<p>>From:&nbsp; Peter A Steeves&nbsp;&nbsp; - logical at idirect.com
<br>>Subject:&nbsp; What does CPM mean?&nbsp;&nbsp; (Issue #443)
<br>>
<br>>Please tell me what does CPM mean?&nbsp; I cannot even guess.
<p>CPM means cost per thousand. For example, if you purchase
<br>10,000 banner impressions at $10 CPM, you'll end up paying
<br>$100.
<p>Sincerely,
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<p>++++ <b>Next Answer - Different Question</b> ++++
<p>From:&nbsp; Anthony Lloyd-Rees&nbsp;&nbsp; - cutter at opalsinthebag.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Linux users receive a lot of assistance
<p>>From:&nbsp; Terry Mills&nbsp;&nbsp; - tlm at wwnet.net
<br>>Subject: Info on using Linux operation system?&nbsp; (Issue #442)
<br>>
<br>>In answer to the question in Exchange Issue #441,
<br>>WonderPaint gave a pretty darn good explanation of
<br>>what is going on in windows.&nbsp; He suggests Linux.
<br>>My question is can the current software on my machine
<br>>use Linux if I were to switch to that OS and if not, how
<br>>much software is available for Linux.&nbsp; Seems all I find is
<br>>for windows and some for the mac.
<p>Hello Terry,
<p>I'm sure John will reply too, but I have to put in my 2c's worth.
<br>The biggest difference you will experience as a Linux user is the
<br>amount of help and assistance that is available. If you join your
<br>local LUG (Linux Users Group) you may end up with a house
<br>full of helpful geeks! horrors!&nbsp; Linux newbies are treated with
<br>a deference never accorded to WIndows newbies.
<p>None of your M$ flavour software operates under Linux but that
<br>is really no hardship as the quantity and quality of USEFUL
<br>software is very extensive. To preview such offerings go to
<br><a href="http://freshmeat.net/">http://freshmeat.net/</a>&nbsp; there
are many other sites that offer Linux
<br>software but this is everyones favourite starting place.
<p>Hardware can present a problem if you have Win specific items.
<br>I have a Brother PC label maker that requires Windows so I am
<br>stuck with a dual boot machine until I can sort it
<p>HTH.&nbsp; Tony.
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<p>Comments on Site #144:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.tpcenterprises.com/">http://www.tpcenterprises.com/</a>
<br>info at tpcenterprises.com
<br>~~~~
<p>There was a lot of information there.&nbsp; The links were useful and
<br>worked just fine.&nbsp; I felt the only way to understand what was
<br>happening would be to print off information and read it ON
<br>PAPER OFFLINE.
<br>~~~~
<p>At first glance this is an extremely well designed site.
<br>Navigation is easy, color choices are great and no blatant errors.
<p>However after spending over 10 minutes going through the site
<br>for several pages and checking the Questions and Answers page
<br>and finally going to the order page before I could find out the
<br>cost and possibly order the " sales kit ".
<p>I find that the offer is not for anyone except US citizens - therefore
<br>eliminating and alienating over 1/2 the internet .. ( Yes the US is
<br>important but the internet is a WORLD WIDE web - about 55%
<br>are not American. IF the product is not available anywhere else
<br>except in the US at this time.&nbsp; State that&nbsp; on your opening
page.
<br>You may expand your market later to involve the majority of
<br>Internet users who are Not living in the USA and might mention
<br>that. The way it reads now you have P'd off anyone that had an
<br>interest in your proposition and went to the trouble of going
<br>through your presentation only to find that they can't order it.
<br>~~~~
<p>Overall design plan is good in navigation and viewing, but it
<br>is lacking in pictures.&nbsp; Although graphics can slow a page
<br>down some, it makes the reader want to read.&nbsp;&nbsp; So add some
<br>well placed graphics and maybe some pullquotes.&nbsp;&nbsp; The title
<br>"Quality Wholesale Merchandise" could also use a different
<br>font or something.
<br>~~~~
<p>This is a let's get down to business website.&nbsp; Everything is
<br>carefully explained and simple to understand.&nbsp; Definitely
<br>focused and sounds like a great business to be in.&nbsp; The only
<br>things I could suggest is to have testimonials from current
<br>distributors and information about how long you have been
<br>in business.
<br>~~~~
<p>Great colour and layout consistent throughout the whole site,
<br>with easy to follow text.&nbsp; My only query was that International
<br>involvement was not addressed.
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From ptrei at rsasecurity.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.54.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> Vasco uses DES (I don't know the details).

I'm sorry, I already read this somewhere on the web; the term I should have
used was "protocol": how do they use DES to create those numbers - do they
encrypt a counter, or a time, or a shared secret - what? Does anybody know?
[I assume they encrypt something based on 1) the serial number and 2) a time
or a counter.]

Plus, there are less than 24 (7 * 3.3) bits in 7 digits; how does it get
these particular 24 out of the 64 in a block?

Thanks for any help,
Mark








From listsupport at internet.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: listsupport at internet.com (HTML Goodies to Go)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Goodies To Go #139: Steganography
Message-ID: <mailman.55.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Burns is a computer science professor.  No wonder students' heads are so
often fucked up.

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Now onto today's topic...

I've been a big fan of Morgan Freeman ever since I saw the Shawshank
Redemption.  Not too long ago, I went to see one of his films titled,
"Along Came a Spider".  It wasn't spectacular but then again, it wasn't
bad.  I enjoyed it and the popcorn was fresh.

Like many films that involve the Internet, email and streaming digital
video, the technology was often overblown.  What happens on the screen
mostly likely wouldn't happen in real life, at least not over a 28.8 modem
attached to AOL.  This movie was full of that kind of stuff.  Streaming
video looking like HDTV, email had a graphic interface that was just
spectacular, and kids were sending text messages back and forth encoded
into gif images.

Oh, wait.  That last one's true.

It's a process called steganography and it's nothing overly difficult.  In
fact, there are numerous freeware and shareware programs out there that
will help you to encode text or images into documents, images, or sounds.
They're easy to find.  I was successful by going to Shareware.com and
Tucows.com and simply searching "Steganography".  The choices were vast.

You'll find that the software tends to differ a great deal. Some will only
encode into BMP.  The one I have will encode to both BMP and GIF.  Other
programs will encode into sounds files.

If this is new to you, you must be thinking the same thing I was thinking.
There's no way the sound file would play if text were encoded into it.
Well, you'd be wrong.  It plays just fine.  The only downfall of my program
was that the BMP images that I encoded text files into looked a bit grainy.

I'm sure you can see why kids would dig this.  Little Joey can email an
image of Michael Jordan to his friend Billy. Billy's Mom sees the image and
thinks all is OK.  Only now, Billy runs the image through his un-encoder
and there are the answers to tomorrow's testor worse.  I know what you
were thinking!

Of course this is much more than a simple method of transferring data
between kids. It can be used to cloak all kinds of data.  And, in fact, is
has.

There's now a belief that terrorist Osama bin Laden, has been sending
documents around the world hidden within pornographic images and MP3 files.
That copy of Barry Manilow's "Copa Cabana" you grabbed from NAPSTER could
have plans stuck way down deep inside.  You simply wouldn't know by looking
at it.


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Let me go one step further if I might.  If it is actually true that
terrorists are doing this, shouldn't our government look for it with the
intent to intercept it?

You have most likely heard of a program called, "Carnivore".  According to
the FBI, Carnivore was so named because it "chews" all of the data coming
through a certain data network but only "eats" information allowed by court
order.  Basically, Carnivore is a wiretap used on the Internet.  What's
more, Carnivore is always at the very center of the privacy debate.

If it is true that terrorists are using steganography to transfer data
round the Web, then I think you're going to start to hear a little more
about Carnivore because, as far as I can see, it is our best bet to catch
these embedded packets.  The problem then is two fold.

Carnivore works through court order and thus deals only with "allowed"
data.  You may disagree, but let's stay with that thinking for a moment.
Privacy advocates will have enough to be upset about by the end of this
newsletter without bringing anything to the table.

Problem number one is that the mail from a terrorist group will not be
labeled as such.  I highly doubt you're going to find
"BinLaden036 at yahoo.com".  That means that using Carnivore as a set wiretap
will be difficult.  It may happen that the FBI only knows that somewhere on
a network, there may be a terrorist.  Thus, all email will have to be
searched.

Now problem number two.  It's not the text of the email that's the problem
any more.  It's the attachment. Carnivore, if it isn't already, will have
to be bettered to be able to look at attachments and "know" whether that
attachment contains an embedded file.  And!  If Carnivore finds an embedded
file, it will have to open it to read it.

Oh dear.

Steganography is real and there's serious reason to believe that it is
being used for very bad purposes.  We have once again come full circle on
the same basic question of privacy on the Web.  If you have privacy, so
does the person sending around terrorist documents.  I think we can all
agree that no one wants that.

New technology has once again opened a Pandora's box of privacy and legal
issues, but it's the same old question. How much of your privacy are you
willing to give up so that those searching for a terrorist have any
opportunity at all.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That's That - Thanks for reading.

Joe Burns, Ph.D.

And Remember: How many licks does it take to get to the middle of a Toosie
Pop?  It's more than three.  Numerous experiments have been undertaken to
find the answer. The average is 142.  The data span was 75 to 200 licks.
I'm not sure if 142 represented the mean or the average. I'm not sure how
much I care either.




From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Here's an interesting twist on gun control ...
Message-ID: <mailman.56.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



At 3:37 PM -0500 11/5/00, Peter Capelli/Raleigh/Contr/IBM wrote:
>http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/11/05/mandatory.guns.ap/index.html
>
>
>
>                   Utah town requires all households to own gun
>
>                   November 5, 2000
>                   Web posted at: 11:22 AM EST (1622 GMT)
>
>                   VIRGIN, Utah (AP) -- This tiny southern Utah town
>has enacted an ordinance
>                   requiring a gun and ammunition in every home for
>residents' self-defense.
>
>                   Most of Virgin's 350 residents already own
>firearms, so the initiative has lots of
>                   support, Mayor Jay Lee said.
>
>                   Residents had expressed fear that their Second
>Amendment right to bear arms
>                   was under fire, so the town council modeled a
>similar measure passed by a
>                   Georgia city about 12 years ago.
>
>                   The mentally ill, convicted felons, conscientious
>objectors and people who
>                   cannot afford to own a gun are exempt.

This has been done before. A town in Georgia, one in Ohio or
Illinois, as I recall.

t is just as unconstitutional to _require_ a gun as it is to _ban_ guns.

The crap about "conscientious objector" is just that, crap. I shouldn't
have to fill out some bullshit form to say I have conscientious
objections to having a gun in my house.

Government may no more require a gun in a house than it may require a
television, or a telephone, or a toothbrush.

Yes, I know the law is pure fluff, and hence is moot, a nullity, as
they say. But the principle of _requiring_ a  gun is just as foolish
as the notion of banning guns. Frankly, those who pass such laws need
killing just as much as the tens of thousands who are banning guns
need killing.


--Tim May

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From gil_hamilton at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: gil_hamilton at hotmail.com (Gil Hamilton)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.57.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> Mark, don't worry, the real programmers among us aren't afraid to
> compete (actually, right now, there's plenty of work for everyone
> who is competent so there's little need for real competetition).
> Fortunately, these losers are unlikely to be successful in their
> organizational and lobbying efforts.

Thanks. I hope so... Free access to the US market has already enabled me to
switch from $100 / month to $500 / month while in Romania, and to $3,500 /
month here in Atlanta. [Yeah, I'm still far from Bill Gates, but it's still
35 times more than I made two years ago <g>]

Mark








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From gr at eclipsed.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: gr at eclipsed.net (gabriel rosenkoetter)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: AP Al Qaeda
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20011213215544.00a4b7a0@pop.useoz.com>; from mattd@useoz.com on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 10:36:41PM +1100
Message-ID: <mailman.58.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

I'm inserting attributions and reformatting cited text, since you
seem incapable of quoting in a legible manner. I'm also only
replying to the parts of this that particularly amuse me. You should
be aware that I'm not taking you seriously. Ordinarily, I wouldn't
feed the trolls, but I'm bored.

On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 10:36:41PM +1100, mattd wrote:
> [gr wrote:]
>  >>One can (and often does) find him because he makes a mistake in the
>  >>act of commiting the crime. Which, if I'm reading my history right,
>  >>is what's hampered the noisy proponents of AP up to this point
>  >>already.
> Crime? Wot crime,guvnor? Jim and CJ were not 'noisy'.imo. Im a bit noisy 
> cos Im pushing the 'let it all hang out' version.

Jim Bell was arrested for, charged with, and convicted of crossing
US state lines with the intent to threaten a federal official, a
felony in this country. Felony == crime. 

Carl Johnson was similarly convicted of threatening a federal
official, still a felony in the US.

Regardless of what you think of the laws involved, these two broke
them according to the legal system under which they chose to
operate, which is, by definition, crime.

Bully for you that you live (or claim to live) in Australia under a
different legal system.

The point here is that Bell, Johnson, and you have all made
yourselves prime suspects if any public official (especially one in
the US) is killed in a way that can be linked to assassination
politics, and the still-rather-powerful executive branch of the US
government is likely to come looking for you (and Bell and Johnson,
if they're not incarcerated at that point) if someone should be,
and likely to charge you with incitement to murder. It doesn't
matter whether or not this is Right, it is the reality of the
situation.

The crypto and electronic currency ideas used in assassination
politics are kind of neat as a thought experiment, but the execution
(no pun intended) has, thus far, fallen extremely short. Unless
you know something I don't and would care to share it.

> Mmm,where do we start,lets get some firebrands and go up to the proffrs? 
> Look at sites with no logs for quad anon 'predictors' who may be overseas 
> briefly visiting cybercafes,Good luck china.

My point is that knowing who was paid to kill someone is not the
only way to find out that the assassin performed the assassination.
The assassin can easily be (and often is) caught in the act. The
assassin can fail (and, for bonus points, also be caught). There are
plenty of examples of assassination attempts for which there is no
monetary paper trail in which the assassin has been caught. (Let's
see, in US history off the top of my head: John Wilkes Booth, Lee
Harvey Oswald, and John W. Hinckley Jr.)

The issue of getting caught is totally orthogonal to the monetary
paper trail; they intersect if a LEA uses the monetary paper trail
to catch the assassin, but that's not the only way to catch him.
Getting caught, though, must be a concern equal to, if not greater
than, compensation to an assassin interested in getting paid for
assassination (since he can't get paid if he gets caught or, at
least, it won't do him much
good in prison).

> (you just contradicted yrself btw.)

How so?

> The one person killed will have had to have done a lot of evil shit to get 
> enough pooled (presumably) to tempt a seasoned pro.

I think you've watched Grosse Pointe Blank five too many times. How
many seasoned professional killers do you really imagine are running
around in the US these days? No, really, I want to know what you
think.

> Unless some professional killer turns all altruistic,stranger
> things have happened.The killer could be suicidal.another
> possibility.Lots of scenarios possible here,movie scripts,even.

Hrm. That kind of counteracts the utility of Bell's system of
remuneration for assassination, doesn't it? If the assassin would
have done it for free (or, at least, cheap) and is willing to die
trying, why would he bother with all the crypto flim-flam? Sure,
maybe having a list of "recommended targets" would be helpful for
all those civil-liberty-loving suicidal assassins out there just
searching for a suitably morally devoid victim, but there's not
much need for an organization to hold predictions in escrow then,
now is there?

> KILL THE PRESIDENT! "Id buy that for a dollar!"

Really, I don't see what you've got against W. He's actually just a
harmless twit, another Ronald Reagan. You really ought to be more
interested in his cabinet, starting with (my former governor, who
managed to lose an election to a dead man) Ashcroft. They're the
real assholes. But you'd have a hard time knowing that considering
you don't even live in the country whose public figures you're so
interested in having assassinated.

Cheers mattd, apologies to the unamused on cypherpunks...

-- 
gabriel rosenkoetter
gr at eclipsed.net




From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
Message-ID: <mailman.59.1576007128.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



Lynn.Wheeler at firstdata.com writes:
> The other solution is to go online and do real-time checks ... but
> doing real-time checks invalidates basic design decision trade-offs
> associated with choosing a R/O partial replicated distributed data
> implementation in the first place.

Have you looked at the design of SPKI CRLs?  I think there are
possibilities in there that address the difficulties you raise.
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From natedog at well.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: natedog at well.com (Nathan Saper)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.60.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> The reason why I use "the least pain for the greatest number" instead of
> "the greatest happiness for the greatest number" is because the latter
> justifies many not-so-great acts under act utilitarianism.

Killing someone brings the amount of future pain he's gonna suffer to zero.
That implies that - according to your ideas - one is morally justified in
killing anyone and everyone (as painless as possible, but that's not an
important point, as long as it's less than the total amount of pain that
person would suffer for the rest of his life). I'd say that using happiness
is a little better :)

Another problem with utilitarianism is that it requires one to be able to
evaluate - or at least compare - happiness (or pain), something which is
impossible (subjectivism and all). [See Walter Block's utilitarian
demonstration that O.J.Simpson was morally justified to kill his wife.]

Not to mention that your stupidity is giving me a headache...

Mark








From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0305141153240.1920-100000@anon7.arachelian.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.61.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Wed, 14 May 2003, Sunder wrote:

> The 1st time a significant number of users start using this scheme, the
> spammers will adapt to get around to it.  Just like they've already
> adapted against keyword searches by using text such as e'n'l'ar'g'e'
> 'y,o,u,r, `pe`n`i`s__n_o_w.

Amusing side note: Spamassassing 2.53 didn't catch this particular
g a p p y t e x t. Good job.
 
> Again, from the spammer's point of view, they don't necessarily care that
> you recieved the email.  They sell advertisements for a price.  Say you
> have an ad, you go to the spammer, he spams 170,000 emails with it for
> $10.  He doesn't give a shit if less than 1% of those will get the spam -
> he charges his client the same.

I don't think this is usually the case. Spammers who talk seem to
indicate that they get commissions, not per message fees. In my mind,
this means that lowering delivery is good, but an arms race. For some
spam, driving up costs may be a short term good, but a long term evil -
if the commission is based on inquiries to a mortage refinance broker, 
lots of phony addresses will make for an extremely unprofitable
campaign which they hopefully won't try again, but that also puts 
money in the pocket of a spammer.

> >From my point of view, if my MTA has already spooled the spam, I've
> already lost my bandwidth, and thus lost some value.  Doesn't matter that
> I never see the spam.  Bandwidth was already wasted receiving bits that
> wind up in /dev/null and cpu cycles to make the decision to drop said
> bits.

Yes. I'm writing up a rant about spam, that I'll send to the list
shortly. But I agree completely.

-j
-- 
Jamie Lawrence                                        jal at jal.org




From dany at dany.it  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: dany at dany.it (Massaggi)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21.27.07 +0100
Subject: erotici
Message-ID: <3B45958F00AFCF86@mailrelay3.inwind.it> (added by postmaster@mailrelay3.inwind.it)



Sesso e massaggi erotici a casa tua!
Fino a quando qualche simpaticone non mi fa chiudere la mia nuova pagina web (cosi'
come ha fatto con la e-mail sulla pagina).
Per info e appuntamenti scrivetemi sulla mia nuova mail:

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Cosa offro:
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RISPONDO A TUTTI e mi scuso con chi mi aveva scritto in precedenza,ma come avevo detto prima,la mia
email e' stata disabilitata per colpa di qualcuno.
L'indirizzo per vedere le mie foto:

http://hostess74.hothost.tv




From Maurice at southport88.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Maurice at southport88.fsnet.co.uk (Maurice at southport88.fsnet.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: My computer is asking for a .vxd file?
Message-ID: <mailman.62.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

When opening my computor, I get the message that system can't 
find the file arkdoshk.vxd and if I have uninstalled it,to reinstall it? 

What is arkdoshk.vxd and what is a file vxd? Is it detremental 
to the running of my computor by not having it?

Kind Regards

Maurice(UK)
A member of IMC
http://www.marketingchallenge.com/cgi-bin/t.cgi/164757  
and  Global MLM
http://www.globaldebitcard.net/mauricetudor/index.html 
and  http://www.replicate99.com/SandycoAdvertising/540.shtml 



ANSWERS:


From WORLDwIDEwEBPros at cs.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: WORLDwIDEwEBPros at cs.com (WORLDwIDEwEBPros at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Simple java script will eliminate the right click function
Message-ID: <mailman.63.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From:  Peggy Halverson   - pegnorth at northernnet.com
>Subject:  Can images be coded so they cannot be downloaded?
>
>I am ready to post a website live that has a famous picture on it.
>My client is wondering if it can be coded so that the images
>cannot be downloaded or copied from the website.
>Would you know what coding to use to do this?

Answer :    To eliminate the right click function from Internet 
Explorer, Netscape, and Netscape 6.0, paste this simple JavaScript 
into your BODY tag on your page; 

<script language=JavaScript> 
<!-- 

//Disable right mouse click Script 
//By wORLDwIDEwEBProductions.com 
//Change the var message script as you would like it to read 

var message="Function Disabled!"; 
/////////////////////////////////// 
function clickIE() {if (document.all) {alert(message);return false;}} 
function clickNS(e) {if 
(document.layers||(document.getElementById&&!document.all)) { 
if (e.which==2||e.which==3) {alert(message);return false;}}} 
if (document.layers) 
{document.captureEvents(Event.MOUSEDOWN);document.onmousedown=clickNS;} 
else{document.onmouseup=clickNS;document.oncontextmenu=clickIE;} 
// --> 
</script> 

Be sure to visit my website for more ideas, that I will gladly share. 

Yours Truly, 

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~~~~

I don't care for the black background, but that's personal preference.
I didn't find any contact information, and saw some spelling errors 
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<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - My computer is asking for a .vxd file?
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp; ANSWERS:
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Can images be coded so they cannot be downloaded?
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; L. Seider:
Simple java script will eliminate the right click function
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<p><b>QUESTIONS:</b>
<p>From:&nbsp; Maurice at southport88.fsnet.co.uk
<br>Subject:&nbsp; My computer is asking for a .vxd file?
<p>When opening my computor, I get the message that system can't
<br>find the file arkdoshk.vxd and if I have uninstalled it,to reinstall
it?
<p>What is arkdoshk.vxd and what is a file vxd? Is it detremental
<br>to the running of my computor by not having it?
<p>Kind Regards
<p>Maurice(UK)
<br>A member of IMC
<br><a href="http://www.marketingchallenge.com/cgi-bin/t.cgi/164757">http://www.marketingchallenge.com/cgi-bin/t.cgi/164757&nbsp;</a>
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<p><b>ANSWERS:</b>
<p>From:&nbsp; WORLDwIDEwEBPros at cs.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Simple java script will eliminate the right click function
<p>>From:&nbsp; Peggy Halverson&nbsp;&nbsp; - pegnorth at northernnet.com
<br>>Subject:&nbsp; Can images be coded so they cannot be downloaded?
<br>>
<br>>I am ready to post a website live that has a famous picture on it.
<br>>My client is wondering if it can be coded so that the images
<br>>cannot be downloaded or copied from the website.
<br>>Would you know what coding to use to do this?
<p>Answer :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; To eliminate the right click function from
Internet
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<br>///////////////////////////////////
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<br>function clickNS(e) {if
<br>(document.layers||(document.getElementById&amp;&amp;!document.all))
{
<br>if (e.which==2||e.which==3) {alert(message);return false;}}}
<br>if (document.layers)
<br>{document.captureEvents(Event.MOUSEDOWN);document.onmousedown=clickNS;}
<br>else{document.onmouseup=clickNS;document.oncontextmenu=clickIE;}
<br>// -->
<br>&lt;/script>
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<p>Comments on Site #136:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.edollars.homestead.com">http://www.edollars.homestead.com</a>
<br>N Venugopal Rao
<br>nvengo at rediffmail.com
<br>~~~~
<p>Not a bad site, it loaded reasonably quickly, and got to the point
<br>right away.&nbsp;&nbsp; Although the background was dark, the text
was
<br>easy to read.&nbsp;&nbsp; The site wants you to sign up for multiple
paid to
<br>read email programs and predicts that you can earn $10,000 a month
<br>if you market it properly.
<p>However, it does not offer to replicate the site for you, which means
<br>that it could be very hard to achieve that income, as you would have
<br>to recruit mainly from friends and family, or build your own page.
<br>This is perhaps the biggest drawback of the site, at least as far as
<br>I am concerned.&nbsp; If there were a way to replicate it, so the new
sign
<br>up could get credit for referrals, I think it would work better.
<br>~~~~
<p>Great information on making money with free programs. Good
<br>copy on how it all works. Would like a breakdown of which
<br>companies paid the most to get that $10,000 a month.
<br>~~~~
<p>On the edollars site, the content was good, but the layout and
<br>design needs some work.&nbsp; Try using a header size font for the
<br>important stuff, like a header "How does this work?" and putting
<br>the explanations in a smaller font. Use the same color font for all
<br>headers, and one different color for all the text.&nbsp; Put the links
to the
<br>programs on a different page, but link to it both from your side
<br>column menu and at the bottom of the home page after telling how
<br>it works.
<p>The banners at the bottom of the home page overlap, so you may
<br>want to also create a link page, and trade links with other people
<br>and also but banners for recommended programs there.
<p>When you have a mailing list subscribe form, it is best to put a link
<br>to this on your home page, and put information about what you
<br>cover in your mailings (why they should subscribe &amp; benefits),
the
<br>subscribe form, and a privacy policy all on the same page so the
<br>information is all there in one place.
<br>~~~~
<p>Although the words stand out well on the black background, it is
<br>very hard on the eyes to read in this format.&nbsp; The length of the
copy
<br>makes it even harder.
<p>The update script you use put the "this page was updated 'today's
<br>date'" language under the get paid to click link at the bottom.&nbsp;
It
<br>also showed up twice in small black print behind some of the wording
<br>in the bottom of your fourth paragraph.
<p>The readclick.com link on #48 is missing.&nbsp; You forgot to put in
the
<br>link...but the words readclick.com are there.&nbsp; This means people
can
<br>copy and paste the link, but it won't be to your referral page and
you
<br>won't get paid.
<p>Your banners at the bottom are jumbled and overlapping.&nbsp; The bottom
<br>right ad, the really big one in the frame, needs to be scrolled to
be read.
<br>No one will read it. After you write your ad copy, use spell check
and
<br>grammar check.&nbsp; It is possible to spell words correctly that are
used
<br>incorrectly and spell check will not catch it.
<br>~~~~
<p>I don't care for the black background, but that's personal preference.
<br>I didn't find any contact information, and saw some spelling errors
so
<br>I wasn't impressed with the site. I think it is just too much information
<br>to scroll thru.
<br>~~~~
<p>This is one really long home page.&nbsp; I would recommend breaking
up
<br>the information, maybe list the pay for email programs on a separate
<br>page. Also, by using a smaller font, and sticking to one or two colors
<br>it wouldn't appear like the visitor had to conquer Mt. Everest - a
<br>mountain of information to read through everything. It looks like you
<br>have a left column menu set up, but the button links are blank. Use
<br>those to separate the information.
<p>Separate the paid to read email programs from the other programs.
<br>Go through the home page and check for typos. I saw lots of them
<br>and they are even more noticable in the large font. For example,
<br>under #3 "Sign up for free newsletters a paid..." should be "Sign up
<br>for free newsletters and get paid..."
<br>under #4 "Get paid $2 to signp" should be "Get paid $2 to sign up"
<p>Some of your numbered programs are in caps, some using lower
<br>case.&nbsp; Try to make these all the same, preferable using lower
case.
<br>The page uses a horizontal scroll bar because of placement of some
<br>of the banners at the bottom of the page. Set your page up so the
<br>information fits in the screen width.
<p>Good information, very focused, you just need to make it easier
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From ravage at ssz.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.65.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> It causes the photons emitted at the same time from the source to be
> received at different time, this interupts the ability of the receiver to
> correlate (i.e. verify coherence) them into a recognizable picture.

Huh? The photons from my TV screen arrive all at different times, and yet
the picture is pretty good :)

Mark








From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi
In-Reply-To: <40DE54BA.C45164EA@cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <mailman.66.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hi,
Major Variola (ret) (mv at cdc.gov) wrote on 2004-06-27:
> At 11:53 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> >not to overpower the wanted signals on something like this.  Even if this
> >is doable, it is out of reach of Jane Citizen.
> 
> Any signal you put out is trackable to you geographically, whether its
> a cell or GPS frequency.

A GPS receiver doesn't broadcast its location. GPS works purely by
analyzing the signals received from satellites. This is probably a design
goal for military use, as well as a consequence of power requirements.

There is no such thing as a GPS frequency. It seems that for CDMA or
WCDMA phones the location service is defined in terms of messages on the
normal network layer, see a Google search for "position determination service
order".
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: CDR: The Passive-Aggressive (Negativistic) Personality Disorder
Message-ID: <mailman.67.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

(PAPD) Case Study: Jim Choate
From: aluger at hushmail.com
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:55:47 -0800 (PST)
Cc: cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com, cypherpunks at lne.com
Old-Subject: The Passive-Aggressive (Negativistic) Personality Disorder
(PAPD) Case Study: Jim Choate
Reply-To: cypherpunks at ssz.com
Sender: owner-cypherpunks at ssz.com

>On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Sunder wrote (referring to Jim Choate):
>
>> I'd wish that:
>>
>> 1. he'd stick to on-topic articles and not give us any random shit
>he likes

Choate replies:

>Every post I send is 'on topic' to crypto, civil liberties, or economics.

Sunder continues, along with Choate's replies:

>> 2. he'd post a one or two paragraph quote from the article describing
>> it under the urls.
>
>Keep wanting.
>
>> 3. put all the news stories from one site (slashdot for example) in
>> one email as if it were a digest.
>
>Keep wanting.
>
>> The way he "helps" us is annoying at best and only one or two notches
>> removed from spam.
>
>What makes you think I'm wanting to 'help' you or whatever 'us' you're
>refering to.
>
>> What pisses me off is that I actually do read slashdot regularly,
>>and don't
>
>You just want to be pissed off, and if you can make me the target so
>much the better.

Discussion:

Essential Feature-

The passive-aggressive (negativistic) personality disorder is located in
Appendix B: "Criteria Sets and Axes Provided for Further Study" of the DSM-
IV.  Millon (1996, p. 198) proposes a comprehensive concept of a
negativistic
personality.  He asserts that the negativistic personality reflects both
this general contrariness and disinclination to do as others wish but also
presents with a capricious impulsiveness, an irritable moodiness, and an
unaccommodating, fault-finding pessimism.

The DSM-IV (1994, p. 733) describes the PAPD essential feature as a
pervasive
pattern of negativistic attitudes and passive resistance to demands for
adequate performance in social and occupational settings.

The subject, Choate, demonstrates these traits clearly, particularly in
the context of responses to otherwise reasonable requests from the
electronic
social group "cypherpunks" from which the above samples are taken.

The general criteria of a personality disorder coupled with at least five
of the following is sufficient to warrant a diagnosis of Passive-Aggressive
Personality Disorder: procrastination and delay in completing essential
tasks -- particularly those that others seek to have completed; unjustified
protests that others make unreasonable demands; sulkiness, irritability
or argumentativeness when asked to do something that the individual does
not want to do; unreasonable criticism or scorn for authority figures;
deliberately
slow or poor work on unwanted tasks; obstruction of the efforts of others
even as these individuals fail to do their share of the work; and avoidance
of obligations by claiming to have forgotten them.

Examining the small sample above it is clear that Choate meets at least
four
of these subset criteria.  (This author has little doubt that a fifth will
quickly emerge with further study).   Procrastination and delay in
completing
any of the tasks requested of him (the addition of more substantive
summaries
which accompany his rote contributions to the mailing list), unjustified
protests that others make unreasonable demands (in the case of Sunder
above,
Choate's responses to Sunder's request for a more digest format illustrates
this), irritability or argumentativeness when asked to do something that
the individual does not want to do (while Choate could easily have ignored
the request, he chose instead to reply in an increasingly inflammatory and
argumentative tone), unreasonable criticism or scorn for authority figures
(as evidenced by material in his signature - "Legislators and Judges are
the pimps of modern American society.")

The passive-aggressive personality disorder was first introduced in a U.S.
War Department technical bulletin in 1945. The term was coined by wartime
psychiatrists who found themselves dealing with reluctant and uncooperative
soldiers who followed orders with chronic, veiled hostility and smoldering
resentment. Their style was a mixture of passive resistance and grumbling
compliance (Stone, 1993, p. 361).

Choate's response seems to mirror this type of response quite closely and
further study under the reference of Stone's work should be pursued.

The current criteria for the passive-aggressive personality disorder as
proposed by the Personality Disorders Work Group for the DSM-IV includes:

1. passive resistance to fulfilling social and occupational tasks through
procrastination and inefficiency;
2. complaints of being misunderstood, unappreciated, and victimized by
others;
3. sullenness, irritability, and argumentativeness in response to
expectations;
4. angry and pessimistic attitudes toward a variety of events;
5. unreasonable criticism and scorn toward those in authority;
6. envy and resentment toward those who are more fortunate;
7. self-definition as luckless in life and an inclination to whine and
grumble
about being jinxed;
8. alternating behavior between hostile assertion of personal autonomy and
dependent contrition (Millon & Radovanov, Livesley, ed., 1995, p. 321).

Millon suggests that the most essential features of PAPD are irritable
affect;
behavioral contrariness, obstructiveness, and sulking; discontented self-
image, e.g. feels unappreciated and misunderstood; deficient regulatory
control, i.e. poorly modulated emotional expression; and interpersonal
ambivalence.
They are noted for their interpersonal conflict, verbal aggressiveness,
and manipulative behavior. Suicidal gestures and a lack of attention to
everyday responsibilities are common (Millon, 1996, p. 198).

Little study is needed to recognize the diagnosis as a strong one for the
subject Choate.

PAPD resistance to external demands is manifested in oppositional and
obstructive
behaviors. These individuals resent having to conform to the standards set
by others. On the other hand, they fear direct confrontation. The
combination
of resentment and fear leads to passive, provocative behavior (as in the
case of the subject Choate and Sunder exchange- wherein subject Choate
incites
Sunder and seeks to create a situation in which Sunder will escalate the
rhetoric).

Individuals with PAPD view themselves as self-sufficient but feel
vulnerable
to control and interference from others (Pretzer & Beck, Clarkin &
Lenzenweger,
eds., 1996, p. 60). They believe that they are misunderstood and
unappreciated,
a view that is exacerbated by the negative responses they receive from
others for their consistent defeatist stance. They expect the worst in
everything,
even situations that are going well, and are inclined toward anger and
irritability (Beck & Freeman, 1990, p. 339) (DSM-IV, 1994, p. 734).
Subject
Choate demonstrates this classically, particularly in the context of his
often sardonically defeatist and pessimistic inclusions in the titles of
his
contributions).

Individuals with PAPD are often disgruntled and declare that they are not
treated as they should be. On the other hand, they are just as likely to
express feeling unworthy of good fortune. They have a basic conflict
concerning
their self-worth; they oscillate between self-loathing and entitlement or
moral superiority. Either side of this oscillation can be projected onto
the environment. The chaotic nature of this experience of self and others
often leads to people beginning to avoid or minimize contact with people
with PAPD out of self-protection (Richards, 1993, p. 259).

Individuals with PAPD see others as intrusive, demanding, interfering,
controlling,
and dominating. They believe that other people interfere with their
freedom.
They experience control by others as intolerable; they have to do things
their own way (Pretzer & Beck, Clarkin & Lenzenweger, eds., 1996, p. 60).
These individuals are determined that they will not be subject to the rules
of others (Beck & Freeman, 1990, p. 227). They resent, oppose, and resist
demands to meet expectations from others in a behavioral pattern seen in
both work and social settings (DSM-IV, 1994, p. 733). Their main coping
strategies are passive resistance, surface submissiveness, evasion, and
circumventing of rules (Pretzer & Beck, Clarkin & Lenzenweger, eds., 1996,
p. 60).

Individuals with passive-aggressive (negativistic) personality disorder
are ambivalent within their relationships and conflicted between their
dependency
needs and their desire for self-assertion. They waver between expressing
hostile defiance toward people they see as causing their problems and
attempting
to mollify these people by asking forgiveness or promising to do better
in the future (DSM-IV, 1994, p. 734).

These individuals are noted for the stormy nature of their interpersonal
relationships. They engage in a combination of quarrelsomeness and
submissiveness.
Their affect is sullen and they engage in deliberate rudeness. They are
resentfully quarrelsome and irritable. They often feel like a victim.
Central
to the disorder is a pervasive pattern of argumentativeness and
oppositional
behavior with defeatist and negative attitudes (Millon & Radovanov,
Livesley,
ed., 1995, p. 317). Richards (1993, p. 260) believes that PAPD may be the
most miserable personality disorder. These individuals inflict a great deal
of discomfort on others through the use of their anxiety and emotional
symptoms.
They can become so destructive in their attitudes and so unable to provide
rewards to others that they become socially isolated.

For individuals with PAPD, authority figures can become the focus of their
discontentment. They often criticize and voice hostility toward authority
figures with minimal provocation. Their resistance toward authority is
expressed
by procrastination, forgetfulness, stubbornness, and intentional
inefficiency.
These individuals are also envious of and resentful toward peers who
succeed
or are viewed positively by authority figures (DSM-IV, 1994, pp. 733-734).

Authority figures are seen by individuals with passive-aggressive
(negativistic)
personality disorder as arbitrary and unfair. When they are faced with the
consequences of not adequately meeting obligations, these individuals will
become angry at those in authority rather than seeing how their own
behavior
has contributed to the situation (Beck & Freeman, 1990, p. 339). Authority
figures are defined as intrusive, demanding, interfering, controlling, and
dominating. On the other hand, individuals with PAPD also see authority
figures as capable of being approving, accepting, and caring. A key issue
for individuals with PAPD is the desire to get benefits from authority
figures
while exerting their freedom and autonomy (Beck & Freeman, 1990, p. 45).

The conflict is intense. Individuals with PAPD have a tendency to see any
form of power as inconsiderate and neglectful. They are also likely to
believe
that authorities or caregivers are incompetent, unfair, and cruel.
Nevertheless,
these individuals are not inclined to rebel directly. They will agree to
comply with demands or suggestions but will often fail to perform (or they
will perform while experiencing increasing resentment). Then, when there
is trouble, these individuals will complain of unfair treatment. They envy
and resent others who manage authority situations and who are able to
relate
to authorities with less difficulty. These individuals believe that their
suffering indicts the negligent caregiver or authority figure. They fear
control in any form but long for nurturing restitution from those they
perceive
as having power (Benjamin, 1993, p. 272).

Origins of PAPD in the Subject Choate-

Stone (1993, p. 361) suggests that the contrary, sulking, and verbal
nitpicking
behaviors of PAPD appear to have their origin in unending power struggles
with parents. The comparative helplessness of youth made it impossible to
win in these struggles so the face-saving technique of passive resistance
was employed. Parental overcontrol, neglect, or favoring of a sibling can
all contribute to the development of the silent protest and grudging
obedience
associated with PAPD (Stone, 1993, p. 361).

It is reasonable to assume that Subject Choate experienced some level of
paternal angst and the description of unending power struggles seems apt
in this context.

Treatment-

There are two major ways for individuals with PAPD to enter treatment. The
first, and most common, is externally leveraged treatment for those
individuals
who do not see themselves as having a problem. Someone forced them into
treatment, e.g., family, employers, or the legal system. These clients with
PAPD have minimal insight; they fail to admit that they are a major factor
in the problems they have. The second method for individuals with PAPD to
enter treatment is via self-referral for vague complaints, e.g. "I'm just
not getting anywhere" (Turkat, 1990, pp. 87-88).

All of the personality disorders are composed mostly of abrasive traits
that are negative in nature. Maladaptive traits are usually favored over
adaptive traits (though there are adaptive traits within all personality
disorders) (Kantor, 1992, p. 10). PAPD is a particularly abrasive
personality
and interpersonal problems are readily identifiable. However, individuals
with PAPD do not frequently seek treatment for relationship issues as they
consistently blame others for the problems they have. Even if they do come
in for treatment for a marital or parent and child problem, they will
uniformly
demand that the treatment providers "fix" the other person or persons who
are at fault for the problems within the relationship.

Treatment for individuals with PAPD involves openly exploring the ways they
indirectly and unassertively express aggression and neediness toward others
by being contrary. Understanding this aggression can allow discovery of
the depressive and invalidating experiences underneath -- which lead to
a fear of loss of autonomy when others want to be close and a fear of loss
of connectedness when others want to be alone (Kubacki & Smith, Retzlaff,
 ed., 1995, p. 175).

This author believes that Subject Choate is unlikely to seek treatment
individually
and should be compelled to seek treatment in whatever fashion is most
likely
to produce results.

Study continues...

At Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:56:49 -0600 (CST), Jim Choate
<ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com>
wrote:

>Cool, we've got two wanna be head-shrinkers. This is gonna be fun.

A common countertransference issue with these clients is outrage or
punitive
anger. They are manipulative individuals who are consistently stubborn,
demanding, help-rejecting, critical, and inclined to ridicule both the
treatment
process and the service providers.  Subject Choate has predictably
responded
in exactly this fashion to the onset of treatment.

Identify all avoidance and anxiety-arousing situations. Address these
issues
with anxiety-management behavioral intervention techniques (Turkat, 1990,
 pp. 88-89). Cognitive therapy can help these individuals understand that
they expect the worst from others and then proceed to behave in such a way
that brings out the worst from these same people (Stone, 1993, p. 363).

Group therapy provides individuals with PAPD with an opportunity to learn
how to manage their hostility. When their hostility emerges, group leaders
can comment on hostile behavior and encourage other group members to
respond.
The group leader can assist these individuals to process what it is they
want or need at that moment and to rehearse appropriate behavior within
the group context (Ries, TIP #9, 1994, p. 72).




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> Riddles ought to be tough for a machine to solve. Language and shades of
> meaning seem less easily rendered as mathematical problems than
> graphics.

Yeah, but they're open to a "database attack" - collect all of them with
their replies. I don't think you can randomly generate riddles from a
theoretically huge space (comparable to generating one random number from a
128-bit space).

Mark








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> I've developed methods for solving vignere, general
> transpositions, playfair, etc...  just basically bringing
> myself up to speed with the general background of the field.

Would you mind writing a "tutorial for the beginner cryptanalist"?

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Subject: Re: [irtheory] War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved.
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>
> At 3:37 PM +0100 6/13/04, Lee James wrote:
>> I'd like to hear how children who werent old enough to pronounce the
>> colour were 'reds' who were rightly tortured (apparently) in your
>> view, as well as the many women raped and tortured at the hands of
>> SOA graduates.
>
> Funny how "liberals" always do the debits and not the credits in
> these grotesque calculations. Shall we count the
> several-orders-of-magnitude number of starved (*and* butchered)
> children in various Marxist "paradises" around the world, too? I
> thought not. It wouldn't be "fair".

The quotation marks here, I assume, are a disclaimer. Liberalism is not
Marxism. Nor, for that matter, is support for social democracy. I don't
see how antipathy towards the right-wing dictatorships that committed
gross violations of human rights against opponents seeking peaceful
change or political liberalization translates into having to champion
Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, or whomever.

>
>> I'd also be keen to see evidence of this free-market success of
>> which you talk, because it isn't in central america for the
>> countless millions in poverty.
>
> Freedom, market or otherwise, isn't about the fool's errand of forced
> income redistribution, which is, invariably, what actually causes
> famine and tragedy.

Why do so many on your side of this argument use definitional fiat to
wind up rationalizing Pinochet's reign of terror, Guatemala's genocide
against the Mayans, an so on? Indeed, freedom, on face, isn't about
arbitrary imprisonment or torture. Is taxation for social goods, which
often involves income redistribution, an equivalent violation of
freedom? I'm not so sure.

Income redistribution in the US did not cause famine and tragedy, nor
in the UK, France, the Federal Republic of Germany, Denmark, etc. It
seems to me famine and/or tragedy were direct results, however, of the
policies put into place by many graduates of the SOA.
>
> I prefer to think about the McDonald's paradox: No country that has a
> McDonald's has attacked another. :-). We'll see how long *that*
> stands up.

Already happened. Kosovo campaign.


> As for "democracy" somehow being magical, remember that
> Athens brought on the Peloponnesian war, not Sparta.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the supposed democratic peace.
>
>> I'm not sure that it is defensive to defend a country against its
>> own people, when europe did so it was called colonisation.
>
> Yawn. When Europe did it it was called "economics". A word you seem
> to be unfamiliar with. When their economic interests were attacked
> (First the Portuguese, then the Spanish, then The Dutch, then the
> English), surprise, they won. See Diamond's "Guns, Germs, and Steel",

A remarkably flawed book, deployed in an even more remarkably strange
way here. To wit:

> for details. Eventually, having won all these mostly defensive wars,
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

These would be?

The goal of the Portuguese, the Spanish, and the Dutch, for example,
was to secure monopolies through military coercion... often, in the
process, breaking apart other European powers' monopolies (e.g., the
Dutch struggle against Portugal and Spain).
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From ed.steele.91 at ai2a.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: ed.steele.91 at ai2a.net (ed.steele.91 at ai2a.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12e-WORK AT HOME USING YOUR COMPUTER!!! 
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200010162306.QAA07853@cyberpass.net>

_________________________________________________________________ 

Dear Friend, 

You can earn $46,000 or more in next the 90 days sending e-mail. Seem 
impossible? Read on for details
(no, there is no "catch")... 

_________________________________________________________________ 

"AS SEEN ON NATIONAL T.V." 

Thank you for your time and Interest. 

This is the letter you've been reading about in the news lately. 

Due to the popularity of this letter on the internet, a major nightly news 
program recently devoted an entire
show to the investigation of the program described below, 
to see if it really can make people money. 

The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their 
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that there are, absolutely no Laws prohibiting the participation in the 
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The results of this show has been truly remarkable. So many people are 
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are doing, much better than ever before. Since everyone makes more as more 
people try it out, its been
very exciting to be a part of lately. You will understand once you experience 
it. 

"HERE IT IS BELOW" 
_________________________________________________________________ 

*** Print This Now For Future Reference *** 

The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a 
look at. It can be started with
VERY LITTLE investment and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!! 

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THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require 
you to come into
contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to 
leave the house except to get
the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've 
been waiting for, THIS IS IT!
Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams will come true. 

This multi-level e-mail order marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY 
TIME. E-mail is the sales
tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of 
advertising NOW!!! The longer
you wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece 
of this action!!! 

MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being 
taught in the Harvard
Business School, and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have 
stated that between
50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-level 
methods by the mid to late
1990's. 

This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 3,500,000 Millionaires in 
the WORLD, 20% ( 700,000) made
their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 
that over 100 people become
millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. 

You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald Trump (A 
MULTI-BILLIONAIRE, ONE
OF THE WEALTHIEST MEN IN THE WORLD) made an appearance on the David Letterman 
show.
Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over 
from scratch. Without
hesitating, Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get 
to work. The audience
started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned 
his response "That's why
I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!" 

With network marketing you have two sources of income. Direct Commissions 
from sales you make
yourself and commissions from sales made by people you introduce to the 
business. 

Residual income is the secret of the wealthy. It means investing time or 
money once and getting paid
again and again and again. In network marketing, it also means getting paid 
for the work of others. 

This program is currently being utilized in more than 50 different countries 
across the world. 
  

The enclosed INF0RMATION is something I almost let slip through my fingers 
Fortunately, sometime
later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. 

My name is Johnathon Rourke. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for 
the past twelve years
down-sized and my position was eliminated. 

After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over 
the past year, I incurred
many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors 
over $35,000. The economy
was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. 
I had to refinance and
borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business 

AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to 
share the experience
in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! 

In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to 
receiving this program I had
been sending away for INF0RMATION on various business opportunities. All of 
the programs I received,
in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me 
to comprehend or the initial
investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. 
  

One claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year...it didn't tell 
me I'd have to write a book to
make it! 

But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't 
send for it, or ask for it, they just
got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it 
several times, to make
sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY 
MAKING
PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me 
further into debt. After I got
a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. 
But like most of you I was still a
little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I 
checked it out with the U.S. Post
Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! 
After determining the program
was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." 

Initially I sent out 100,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time 
on-line. The great thing about e-mail is
that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because 
all of my orders are
fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it 
is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I
promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money 
it cost me. 

In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By 
January 13, I had received 26
orders for REPORT #1. Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT 
#1 WITHIN 2
WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" 

My first step in making $46,000 in 90 days was done. 

By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to 
"RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+
ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU
DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR 
$46,000
GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat 
back and relaxed. 

By March 1, of my e-mailing of 100,000, I received $58,000 with more coming 
in every day. 

I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. 

Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE 
FOREVER!!! 
  

Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you 
must follow it EXACTLY!
Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. 
It won't work, you'll lose out on a
lot of money! 

In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders For 
REPORT #1, and 100+
orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $46,000 or more in 90 days. I AM 
LIVING PROOF THAT IT
WORKS!!! 

If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a 
great opportunity with little cost or
risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be 
on your way to financial
security. 

If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like I was, 
or you want to start your own
business, consider this a sign. 

I DID! 

Sincerely, 
Johnathon Rourke 
  

A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: 

By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have 
concluded that such a
program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. 

Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 
years. Then in 1979 my business
began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously 
successful for me, but it wasn't
working. 

Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and 
recession had replaced the stable
economy that had been with us since 1945. 

I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... because 
many of you know from first
hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. 

The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested 
wisely and moved up.
Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, 
were moving down into the
ranks of the poor. 

As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The 
traditional
methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", 
inflation will see to that. 

You have just received INF0RMATION that can give you financial freedom for 
the rest of your life, with
"NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the 
next few months
than you have ever imagined 

I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor anyone 
else who has provided a
testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I 
have retired from the
program after sending out over 1,600,000 programs. Now I have several offices 
that make this and
several other programs here and over seas. 

Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It 
works exceedingly well
as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone 
you can think of. One of the
people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more...and your name will be 
on everyone of them!
Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will 
reach. 

So my friend, I have given you the ideas, INF0RMATION, materials And 
opportunity to become
financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! 

"THINK ABOUT IT" 

Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a 
little time to read it and REALLY
THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU 
participate. Figure out the
worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still 
make a lot of money! You will
definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when 
your first orders come in. 

IT WORKS! Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA. 

HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ 

INSTRUCTIONS: 

This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that 
you could use up to
$46,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read 
this program carefully. This is
not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. 
Basically, this is what you do: 

As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new 
partners and selling our
products. Because of the global nature of the internet, you will be able to 
recruit new multi-level business
partners from all over the world, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar 
sent. YOUR ORDERS COME
BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, 
so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own 
home, store or office. This is
the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere. 

This is what you MUST do: 

1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you 
don't order them). 

a. For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE 
ORDERING,
YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to 
the
person whose name appears on the list next to the report. 

MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL
PROBLEMS! 

b. When you place your order, make sure you order each of the five reports 
You will need all five reports
so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. 

c. Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the five reports. 
Save them on your computer so
they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will 
order them from you. 

2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to 
each report, or their
sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" 
through "g" or you will lose out
on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, 
you'll also see how it doesn't
work if you change it. Remember, 
this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. 

a. Look below for the listing of available reports. 

b. After you've ordered the five reports, take this advertisement and REM0VE 
the name and address
under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt 
counting their $46,000!
Also, change the name of the company, the address, and the REM0VE e-mail 
address on the top of this
document to your own. 

c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. 

d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. 

e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. 

f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. 

g. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. 

Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 

3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it 
to your computer. Make NO
changes to the instruction portion of this letter. 

Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can 
afford $25). You obviously already
have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE! 

To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 Reports you 
purchase will provide you
with invaluable marketing INF0RMATION which includes how to send bulk 
e-mails, where to find
thousands of Free classified ads and much, much more. 

In addition you will be provided with INFORMATION on Internet Marketing Clubs 
such as INTERNET
MARKETING RESOURCES(IMR): This is one the Premiere internet marketing clubs 
on the INTERNET.
This club provides a forum where internet marketers from all over the world 
can exchange ideas and
secrets on Internet Marketing. In addition, members of this club are provided 
free internet marketing tools
and services for the 
Do-Yourself-Internet-Marketer. 

They will provide you with free bulk e-mail software and up to 1,000,000 
fresh e-mail addresses each
week. This club will provide you with hundreds of free resources which 
include: How to obtain free web
sites, how to obtain top rankings in search engines for your web-site, how to 
send bulk e-mail into AOL
and Compuserve, how to market your products on news groups, free classified 
ads, electronic malls,
bulletin boards, banner 
ads and much more. 

There are two primary methods of building your downline: 

METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL 

Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll 
assume you and all those
involved send out only 2,000 programs each. 

Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.3% response. 

Using a good list the response could be much better. Also, many people will 
send out hundreds of
thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you 
send out only 2,000
programs. With a 0.3% response, that is only 6 orders for REPORT #1. Those 6 
people respond by
sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 12,000. Out of those 0.3%, 36 
people respond and order
REPORT #2. Those 36 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 72,000. The 
0.3% response to that is
216 orders for REPORT #3. Those 216 send out 2,000 programs each for a 
432,000 total. The
0.3%response to that is 1,296 orders for REPORT #4. Those 1,296 send out 
2,000 programs each for a
2,592,000 total. The 0.3% response to that is 7,776 orders for REPORT #5. 

That's 7,776 $5 bills for you, CASH!!! Your total income in this example is 
$30 + $180 + $1,080+ $6,480 +
$38,880 for a total of $46,650!!! 

REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,994 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO 
WILL DO
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT
WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. 

Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to 
participate in this is
practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and 
e-mail is FREE!!! 

REPORT #2 and #5 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing, tell you 
where to obtain free bulk
e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists and show you how to send out 
1,000,000 e-mails for free. 

METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 

1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS 
of FREE places to
advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. 
Assume your goal is to get
ONLY 6 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads 
on the internet will EASILY get
a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets 
ONLY 6 downline
members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 

1st level--your 6 members with $5 ($5 x 6)........................$30 
2nd level--6 members from those 6 ($5 x 36)....................$180 
3rd level--6 members from those 36 ($5 x 216)............ $1,080 
4th level--6 members from those 216 ($5 x 1,296)....... $6,480 
5th level--6 members from those 1,296 ($5 x 7,776)... $38,880 
..............................................$46,650 
_________________________________________________________________ 

Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 6 
people each. Think for a
moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Many people 
will get 100's of
participants! 

THINK ABOUT IT! 
For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they 
ordered. 
THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! 

This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address 
on it, will be prompt
because they can't advertise until they receive the report! 

_________________________________________________________________ 
  

AVAILABLE REPORTS 

*** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** 

Notes: 

ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED
ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL Make sure the cash is concealed 
by wrapping
it in at least two sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, include: 
(a) the number & 
name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c)your 
name & postal address. 

PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: 

REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: 
bobby ehrke 
1214  F  st 
sacramento, ca  95814 -1402

REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: 
Gary Goldman 
6476 Bellevue Drive 
Conyers, GA 30094 

REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: 
Richard R. Civil 
1800 Laurel Road Apt#1603 
Lindenwold, NJ 08021 

REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of 
Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT # 4 FROM: 
Shawn Thomas 
2016 Huntingdon Chase 
Atlanta, Georgia 30350 

REPORT #5 "How to SEND 1,000,000 e-mails for FREE" 

ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: 
Paul Bowen 
1105 Amble Lane 
Clearwater, FL 33755 

There currently more than 175,000,000 people online worldwide! 

******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* 

* TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the 
directions accurately. 

* Send for the five reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders 
start coming in because:

When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. 

* ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. 

* Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions 
exactly, your results WILL BE
SUCCESSFUL! 

* ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! 

******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* 

Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: 

If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue 
advertising or sending e-mails
until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 
orders for REPORT#2. If you
don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. 

Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, 
because the system is
already working for you, and the cash will Continue to roll in! 

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: 

Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a 
DIFFERENT report. You can
KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from 
you. If you want to
generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads 
and start the whole
process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this 
business! 

Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this 
program. Please answer one
question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE? 

If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 

1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 

2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 

3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 

4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL
MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 

5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 

6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 

7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. 

******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* 

This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule 
of not trying to place your
name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of 
potential income. I'm living proof that it
works It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with 
little cost to you. If you do
choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way 
to financial security. 

Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand 

My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost 
accountant with a major U.S.
Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I 
grumbled to Jody about
receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge 
of the population and
percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my 
supposed intelligence and
jumped in with both feet. I made 
merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her 
when the thing didn't work... well,
the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. 
Within 45 days she had
received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it 
all figured and that it wouldn't
work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have 
seven more years until
retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all 
to MLM. 

Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL 

The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is 
honest, lawful, extremely profitable,
and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached 
several times before I
checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for 
the minimal effort and money
required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, 
with money still coming in. 

Sincerely yours, 

Pam Hedland Halmstad, Sweden 

Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to 
participate in this plan. But
conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little 
that there was just no way that I
wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. I surprised when I 
found my medium-size post
office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had 
to start picking up my mail at
the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life 
before. The nice thing about this
deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better 
investment with a faster return. 

Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada 

I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I 
shouldn't have given it a try. Of
course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait 
until I was e-mailed another
program,11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made 
more than $41,000 on the first
try!! 

Mohamed, Cairo, Egypt 

ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!

NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN 

DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS!!!! 


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: ids
Message-ID: <mailman.72.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



Hey i got your email from a message board. But since it seems you know
enough about fake ids. I had a question and i was hoping you could answer
it
for me. I wanted to get a new identity and i was told i could do it two
ways. 1 way was to steal a living persons identity, and the other was to
steal a dead persons id. write back if you know anything to help me.





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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Saturday 2nd August 2003
Subject: Stakeknife
Message-ID: <mailman.73.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

The agent Kevin Fulton has named another agent to solicitors in his
fight with the M.O.D. The agent is Sean Maguire from North Belfast.
He is also the editor of the North Belfast News, a local newspaper.
Fulton intends to call him as a witness in his legal action.

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From webmaster at jpfo.org  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: webmaster at jpfo.org (JPFO Alerts)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: ALERT: New CCOPS Poll -- your opinion needed
Message-ID: <mailman.74.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

July 29, 2001

ALERT: New CCOPS Poll -- your opinion needed

CCOPS:  Concerned Citizens Opposed to Police States has a new poll 
with the following question:

An Ohio man, a convicted child molester, has been sent to prison for 
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: [dgc.chat] First public release of NeuDist Distributed Transaction
Message-ID: <mailman.75.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Clearing	Framework
From: Pelle Braendgaard <pelle at neubia.com>
To: dgcchat at lists.goldmoney.com
Cc: Digital Bearer Settlement List <dbs at philodox.com>, DGCChat
<dgcchat at lists.goldmoney.com>, xmlx <xml-api at intertrader.com>
Date: 19 Sep 2002 00:05:39 -0500

I'm happy to announce the first public release of NeuDist

NeuDist is an Open Source Software framework for building applications
for the Neubia Distributed Clearing Platform.

This release contains early java libraries and documentation that would
primarily be of interest to developers.

Talking about documentation, it is still a bit slim and mainly oriented
towards people with experience in Java/XML development.

There are currently no sample applications, but they will be available
in the next release.

The framework currently contains the following:
- Classes for creating "Named Objects", which are authenticated using
digital signatures within a hierarchy.
- Storage framework for "Named Objects".
- Simple XML-Signature implementation (Almost certainly not yet
interoperable with other implementations)
- Simple SOAP client
- Simple Servlet API for handling SOAP requests based on "Named
  Objects".
- Current types of "Named Objects" include:
    NameSpace objects -- for maintaining the NameSpace Authentication
 	Framework
    AuthenticationTickets -- for doing web site authentication using
	digital signatures.


Next major release is scheduled to contain:
 - Core:
	hard coded root public key, for authenticating top level 	NameSpaces
 - Signing Services:
	Implementation of web based signing services
	End user hosted signing service
 - Example User Authentication Application
 - Example Payment System based on NeuDist

I will be expanding the documentation over the next few weeks. This will
cover not only more indepth technical documentation, but also higher
level documentation about the business side of things.

Read more about NeuDist or download our early version at
http://neudist.org
I would love to hear your questions and suggestions. To discuss it
further please join neudist-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net
You can join it at:
http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/neudist-discuss


Regards
Pelle
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From whenopportunityknocksss at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: whenopportunityknocksss at yahoo.com (whenopportunityknocksss at yahoo.com)
Date: September 18, 2001
Subject: Awesome Cash in YOUR Mailbox
Message-ID: <mailman.77.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Dear Friend,

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"AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION" 

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*** Print This Now For Future Reference *** 

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MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability.  It is being
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This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in
the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM.
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You may have heard this story before, but Donald Trump made an appearance on
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The audience, started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and
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With network marketing you have two sources of income. Direct commissions
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Residual income is the secret of the wealthy. It means investing time and
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The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers.
Fortunately, sometime later I reread everything and gave some thought and
study to it.

My name is Jonathan Rourke. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for
the past twelve years down- sized and my position was eliminated. After
unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past
year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family,
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MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share
that experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER
FINANCIALLY!!! 

In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to
receiving this program, I had been sending away for information on various
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the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work
or not. One claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year. It
didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! 

But like I was saying, in December I received this program. I didn't send for
it, or ask for it; they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS
FOR THAT!!! 
After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I
couldn't believe my eyes. 

Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. 

I could invest as much as I wanted to start without putting me further into
debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get
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indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER,
I decided "WHY NOT." 

Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time
on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for
printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are filled via
e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is. I hope it
doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not 'rip-off"
anyone, no matter how much money it cost me. 
Here is the basic version of what you need to do: 

Your first goal is to receive at least 20 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks
of your first program going out. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL
YOU DO. 

Your second goal is to receive at least 150+ orders for Report #2 within 4
weeks. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. 

Once you have your 150 orders, relax, you've met your goal. You will make
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take some time for your down line to build. Keep at it, stay focused, and do
not let yourself get distracted. 

In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. I kept
at it - kept mailing out the program and by January 13, 1 had received 26
orders for REPORT #1. My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. 

By January 30, 1 had received 196 orders for REPORT #2; 46 more than I
needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I
received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and
bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program,
IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!  Remember, it won't work if you don't try
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rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work,
you'll lose out on a lot of money! 

In order for this program to work very fast, try to meet your goal of 20+
orders for Report #1, and 150+ orders for Report #2 and you will make $50,000
or more in 90 days. If you don't reach the first two goals with in four
weeks, relax, you will still make a ton of money, it may take a few months or
so longer. But keep mailing out the programs and stay focused! That's the
key.  I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in
this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost
or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will
be on your way to financial security. 

If you are a fellow business owner and are in financial trouble like I was,
or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! 
-Sincerely,  Jonathan Rourke 

P.S.  Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up
on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME!

A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: 

By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have
concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been
created by an amateur. 

Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10
years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same
things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. 

Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me; it was the economy. Inflation and
recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. 

I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...because
many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and
bankruptcies than ever before. 

The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested
wisely and moved up. Those who did not including those who never had anything
to save or invest were moving down into the ranks of the poor. 

As the saying goes, 'THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The
traditional Methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get
rich". Inflation will see to that. 

You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for
the rest of your life, with "NO RISK"and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You
can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. 

Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It
works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this
exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this
to may send out 50,000 ... and your name will be on everyone of them! 

Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will
reach. 

So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and
opportunity to become financially independent.  IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! 

"THINK ABOUT IT." Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I
almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a
pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the
worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still
make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any
doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! -Jody
Jacobs, Richmond, VA 

HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ 

This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that
you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. 

Before you say "No Way!" please read this program carefully. This is not a
chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this
is what you do:  As with all multilevel businesses, we- build our business by
recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA
allows you to recruit new multilevel business partners, and we offer a
product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY
E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in
your own home, store, or office. 

This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what
you MUST do. 

1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (You can't sell them if you
don't have them). 

* For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE
ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a
problem). 

*MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE - IN CASE OF ANY MAIL
PROBLEMS! 

* When you place your order, make sure you order each of the five reports.
You need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and
resell them. 

* Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the five reports.
Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the
1,000's of people who will order them from you. 

2. IMPORTANT- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to
each report, or their order
on the list in any way other than as instructed below in steps "a" through
'g" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand
the way this works you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it.
Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. 

a. Look below for the listing of available reports. 

b. After you've ordered the. five reports, take this Advertisement and remove
the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the
cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000! 

c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. 

d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. 

e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3 

f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. 

g. Insert your name and address in the REPORT #1 position. 

Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! Copy and paste
method works well,.

3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it
to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. 

Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can
afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is
FREE! 

To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you
purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which
includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified
ads and much, much more. 

Here are two primary methods of building your downline: 

METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL 

Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll
assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's
also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. Using a good list, the
response could be much better. Also, many people will send out hundreds of
thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you
send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders
for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for
a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. 

Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5%
response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000
programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is I 0,000
orders for REPORT #4. That amounts to 10,000 each of $5 bills for you in CASH
MONEY! Then think about level five!  That's $500,000 alone!

Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000+ $50,000 + $500,000
for a total of $555,550!!! 

REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO
WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF
2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that and more! 

REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, and e-mail
software. 

METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 

1. Advertising on the Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS
of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see
how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate
on your first level. Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY
get a larger response. Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION
gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING
results below: 

1st level-your 10 members with $5 ....... $50 
2nd level-10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) ....... $500 
3rd level-10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000).......  $5,000 
4th level-10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10k) .......  $50,000 
5th level-10 members from those 10,000 ($5 x 100k) .......  $500,000

THIS TOTALS     -      $555,550 

Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit
10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to
participate! Most people get 100's of participants. 

THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them
the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL
ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR name and
address on it will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive
the report! 

AVAILABLE REPORTS         *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER, AND NAME *** 

* ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED *
- ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL - Make sure the cash is
concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper (SO THAT THE BILL
CAN'T BE SEEN AGAINST LIGHT)  On one of those sheets of paper include: 
(a) the number & name of the report you are ordering,
(b) your e-mail address, and 
(c) your name & postal address (in case your e-mail provider encounters
problems). 

PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: 

REPORT #1 "The Insiders Guide to Advertizing for Free on the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT FROM: 
Randy Ballard 
P.O. Box 8 
Osprey, FL 34229 

REPORT #2 "The Insiders Guide to Sending Bulk E-rnail on the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: 
Carolyn Bryan
5666 Beneva Woods Circle
Sarasota, FL 34233

REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: 
Tom Schneider	
8490 McIntosh Road
Sarasota, FL 34238 

REPORT #4 'How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel
Marketing and the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: 
Sherry Gebhardt
81719 Lido Avenue
Indio, CA 92201

REPORT #5 "How to Send One Million E-Mails for Free."

ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: 
Christin Joy
CPO 2398
501 E. College Ave
Wheaton, IL 60187

About 50,000 new people get online every month! 

******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* 

* TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the
directions accurately. 

* Send for the five reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders
start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested
product/report. 

* ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. 

* Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions
exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! 

* ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! 

******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* 

Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: 

Start posting ads as soon as you mail off for the reports! By the time you
start receiving orders, your reports will be in your mailbox! For now,
something simple, such as posting on message boards something to the effect
of "Would you like to know how to earn $50,000 working out of your house with
NO initial investment? Email me with the keywords "more info" to find out
how. And, when they email you, send them this report in response! 

If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue
advertising or sending e-mails until you do. 

Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for
REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do.
Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX,
because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to
roll in! 

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list
you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your
PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want
to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing
ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you
will generate from this business! 

Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this
program, answer one question ...
DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the
following facts about this program: 

1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 

2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 

3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 

4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL
MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 
5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 

6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 

7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. 

******* TESTIMONIALS******* 

This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule
of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and
you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It
really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost
to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and
you'll be on your way to financial security. -Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR 

My name is Mitchell.  My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost
accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I
received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made
fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and
percentages involved. I 'knew' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my
supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of
her, and was ready to lay the old 'I told you so' on her when the thing
didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received
over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills!
I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't
work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby. " I did have
seven more years until retirement, but I think of the 'rat race,' and it's
not for me. We owe it all to MLM. -Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL. 

The. main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is
honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of
money in a short time. I was approached several times before 1 checked this
out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal
effort and money required. To my astonishment I received $36,470.00 in the
first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. 
-Charles Morris, Esq. 

Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to
participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the
initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't
get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I
found my medium- size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got
so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make
more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing
about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply
isn't a better investment with a faster return.  -Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA 

I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I
shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get
another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program ... 11
months passed then it came ... I didn't delete this one! ... I made. more
than $41,000 on the first try!!  -Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA 

This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and
will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The
only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your
sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good
luck and happy spending!  -Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY 

IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!  Take 5 minutes to Change Your Future!

ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! 

FOR YOUR INFORMATION: If you need help with starting a business, registering
a business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local
office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) 1(800)
827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue
Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business tax
requirements. 

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From gianluigi at euro.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: gianluigi at euro.net (gianluigi at euro.net)
Date: ven, 06 set 2002 02.17.13
Subject: ATTENZIONE!!!
Message-ID: <200209060017.g860H2879990@locust.minder.net>


VORRESTI DAVVERO GUADAGNARE CON INTERNET ?

Bene, la prima cosa da fare è salvare su disco questa pagina per averla
a portata di mano anche se il tuo PC non è connesso a Internet, poi
copia tutto in Word o in Blocco Note e stampalo, così lo potrai leggere
con più attenzione.
Questo Sistema che ti proponiamo è diverso da tutti gli altri, quindi
se non ti fidi leggi con attenzione le istruzioni per valutarlo, e
quando le avrai comprese ti assicuro che sarà per te IRRESISTIBILE la
voglia di partecipare.
Hai perso I servizi speciali in onda su Raitre, Canale5 e altre
emittenti televisive locali riguardo questo incredibile sistema
americano ??? Non importa, perche` questa e` la famosa e-mail dei quali
tutti parlano sulle reti televisive di tutto il mondo, non solo
italiane. Dovuto alla ormai crescente popolarità di questa e-mail su
Internet, alcune emittenti televisive italiane hanno dedicato
ultimamente degli speciali sul come e` possibile guadagnare 1.5 - 2
miliardi di lire in 6 settimane, e per di piu` garantito. " Come e`
possibile garantire una vincita del genere, insomma, qui si parla di un
sacco di quattrini !!!", e` stato il commento di quasi tutti i
conduttori dei vari programmi TV e articoli pubblicati. Gia`, come e`
possibile ASSICURARE che qualcuno vinca davvero ??? Il risultato e`
stato piu` che sorprendente, perfino per I conduttori, che hanno
espresso il loro desiderio di partecipare subito !!! In tutti gli
speciali, non solo si e` evidenziato e provato che il sistema
funziona davvero e assicura la vincita a CHIUNQUE PARTECIPA, ma e`
stato anche provato che non ci sono leggi in vigore (in Italia) che
impediscono la partecipazione al programma. Creato negli USA qualche
anno fa, e dopo aver generato non si sa quanti nuovi miliardari in
tutto il mondo, e ricevuto l'attenzione di emittenti televisive e
telegiornali in numerosi paesi del mondo, e` finalmente approdato anche
in Italia, grazie alla cortese collaborazione di un italiano residente
negli USA, che ha finalmente deciso di tradurre questa e- mail in
italiano, ed estendere l'opportunita` di diventare miliardari anche a
tutti gli italiani che desiderano partecipare !!!
E'stato provato che nessuno puo`perdere, nessuno, per il semplice
motivo che ci sono migliaia di nuovi giocatori ogni giorno che vogliono
partecipare, e aspettano che i fortunati che sono in possesso di questa
e-mail (quale sei tu ad esempio), la spediscano anche a loro.

ECCO COME FUNZIONA.....!!!!!
I partecipanti provengono da tutto il mondo, Australia, Canada,
Inghilterra, Germania, Nuova Zelanda (paesi che in genere sono di
madrelingua inglese, o lo parlano come seconda lingua), ma il 92% di
essi sono agguerriti americani, entusiasmati dai telegiornali degli USA
che cercano di dare una spiegazione a questa incredibile ondata di
nuovi miliardari, che solo nel secondo semestre del 2001 ha contato
piu` di 928.000 fortunati soltanto negli USA.
La ragione di questo successo è semplice: con il solo investimento di
$25 dollari (Euro 25) si entra in un giro mondiale, inviando e- mail
gratuitamente a tutti quelli che vogliono partecipare e che sono in
trepida attesa di farlo.
Si, perché la chiave è proprio ricevere questa e-mail (che e` stata
finalmente tradotta da un gentile italiano residente negli USA per il
beneficio di tutti i giocatori italiani).
Se non si riceve la e-mail non si accede al sistema e si è tagliati
fuori. Sei probabilmente uno dei primi italiani a ricevere questa e-
mail, visto che e` stata tradotta soltanto un mese fa. Ci sono milioni
di persone in tutta Italia e in tutto il mondo che sono ansiosi di
ricevere questa e-mail da te. Una volta che inserisci il tuo nome,
indirizzo e indirizzo e-mail e` fatta, sei nel sistema e ci resterai
fino a quando deciderai che ne hai abbastanza di tutti quei soldi !!!
I partecipanti al giorno d'oggi sono stimati attorno ai 25 milioni, e
crescono di giorno in giorno. Poiche` bisogna aspettare il proprio
turno prima di rientrare in un nuovo giro (dalla 5 alla 1 posizione)
chi esce (con un guadagno stimato in media fra 1.5 e 2 miliardi di
lire) rientra di nuovo rispondendo ad un'altra e-mail che ha ricevuto
nel frattempo. Il risultato: un sistema che non ha mai fine, tenuto in
piedi dai soliti giocatori e in piu` da tutti quelli che si uniscono
ogni giorno, incrementando il massiccio scambio di denaro. Un giro di
centinaia di miliardi al giorno, spediti in piccole banconote da $5
dollari ciascuna. Un programma che, GRAZIE AD INTERNET, non ha mai
fine, poiche` i partecipanti entrano ed escono continuamente (non
contando i nuovi partecipanti che si uniscono ogni giorno) investendo
ogni volta la piccola somma di 25 dollari, e intascando i miliardi
spettanti ad ogni giro !!! Ovviamente si può uscire quando si vuole,
non c'è nessun obbligo, ma perchè uscire quando si è parte di un club
di miliardari ??? Gli USA stimano che almeno 927.900 di quei 928.000
nuovi miliardari sono già rientrati, centuplicando il numero di
miliardari nei prossimi 6 mesi !!!
La differenza fra i vecchi sistemi multi-livello e questo e` molto
semplice:
1: l' investimento è decisamente minimo.
2: nessuna perdita di tempo nel convincere qualcuno a partecipare.
3: la vincita è rapida.
4: non c'e` nessuna organizzazione dietro questo semplice ma efficace
sistema. I soli giocatori lo tengono in piedi l'intero sistema. Non c'è
nessuna percentuale da pagare. I soldi vengono scambiati e spediti
direttamente alle case dei singoli giocatori.
5: L'opportunità di ricevere informazioni gratis per incrementare e
gestire le proprie vincite, quali i 5 "reports" che contengono informazioni 
utilissime, come scaricare GRATIS da Internet software
elaborati e costosi completamente GRATIS per gestire, ricercare,
scaricare e spedire e-mail a piu` di 10.000.000 di indirizzi
(Avalanche, NetTron, DirectMail, ecc.), più tante altre utilissime
informazioni sul come incrementare le vincite con il sistema,
completamente GRATIS !!!
Questo e` il segreto di MLM American System: la vincita e` 200%
assicurata !!! Non si puo` perdere, e` impossibile !!! MLM American System
e` stato definito "IL GENERATORE DI BENESSERE DEL XXI SECOLO !!!". E tu ???
Sei pronto ad unirti al club di miliardari ???
Il principio è quasi simile a quello utopico del "se ognuno dei 5
miliardi di persone oggi esistente sulla terra spedisse 1 dollaro a
tutti gli altri, vivremmo in un mondo di miliardari". Il fatto e` che
non si può costringere qualcuno a versare dei soldi ad un altro
individuo. Ecco che il concetto di MLM entra in gioco: ci vuole un club
di giocatori intenzionati a scambiarsi ogni 6 settimane 5 dollari a
testa. Questo e` il semplice segreto di un sistema che non ha eguali in
tutto il mondo: MLM American System. MLM E' UN CLUB DI ONESTE PERSONE
COMUNI COME TE che hanno tutto l'interesse di tenere in piedi un sistema che 
genera benessere per tutti.

LE SEGUENTI SONO ISTRUZIONI FONDAMENTALI DI CUI HAI BISOGNO: POICHÈ IL
CONTENUTO DI QUESTA E-MAIL È TROPPO PREZIOSO, SE NON LO HAI ANCORA
FATTO STAMPA UNA COPIA DI QUESTA E-MAIL ADESSO E SALVALA SU UN CD O
FLOPPY DISK, NEL QUALCASO TU ABBIA PROBLEMI CON IL TUO COMPUTER.

PRIMA COSA DA FARE : ORDINARE I REPORTS

===== COME ORDINARE I 5 "REPORTS" DALLA LISTA CHE SEGUE =====

Che cos'e` un "report" ??? Un report non e` altro che una serie di
informazioni utilissime su come scaricare assolutamente gratis costosi
software da Internet (che potranno risultare di grande aiuto nella
gestione e spedizione ad alta velocita` di e-mail) gestire patrimoni
ecc., accuratamente tradotti in italiano.
Per ogni report spedisci 5 Euro se sei in Europa se no 5 dollari
americani dal piu` vicino ufficio postale o alla tua banca.
Ci sono stati giocatori che, per ragioni sconosciute, hanno spedito i
contanti nella valuta del loro paese. Nel caso tu debba spedire a
giocatori stranieri è consigliabile utilizzare il dollaro americano
perchè stato scelto e adottato sin dall'inizio del sistema, ed ha
funzionato alla perfezione per ormai 2 anni, non possiamo garantire il
fatto che, se spedirai banconote in diverse valute, saranno accettate.
I gicatori del sistema, specialmente stranieri, che si aspettano di
ricevere dollari americani, non accetteranno altre valute, perche` non
conoscono il cambio corrente, e probabilmente rispediranno indietro le
tue lettere.
Per qualsiasi ragione, non spedire MAI moneta, solo banconote,
altrimenti dovrai pagare una tariffa postale maggiore, dovuta al peso.
PER EVITARE CHE I SOLDI SPEDITI VENGANO INTERCETTATI E RUBATI, DA DUE
ANNI A QUESTA PARTE, SI E' ADOTTATO IL SISTEMA DI INSERIRE LA BANCONOTA
TRA DUE FOGLI A4 PIEGATI PIU' VOLTE FINO A COPRIRE INTERAMENTE LA
BANCONOTA. FAI LA PROVA CONTRO LUCE AVVICINANDO LA BUSTA AD UNA LAMPADA
DA TAVOLO. FALLO CON CURA SE NO QUALCUNO RUBERA' I TUOI SOLDI.......


==IMPORTANTE==

Su uno dei due fogli, scrivi in stampatello (meglio se stampato al
computer) a caratteri chiari e leggibili, il nome e il numero del
report che stai ordinando, il tuo indirizzo e-mail, e il tuo nome e
indirizzo postale.
Quindi: per ogni report spedisci una banconota del valore di 5 EURO o
dollari incartata fra DUE fogli di carta formato A4, il nome e numero
di report richiesto, il tuo indirizzo e-mail, il tuo nome e indirizzo
postale.
Se non vuoi far apparire il tuo nome e indirizzo sulla lista
(anonimato), puoi usare una casella postale come indirizzo, e il nome
di una compagnia al posto del tuo nome e cognome (ad esempio: XYZ
Servizi, Casella Postale 12345, Roma, Italy). Ricorda di scrivere il
tuo indirizzo (mittente) sulla busta, nel caso in cui ci siano
difficolta` postali.
Quando ordini i report, devi ordinare tutti i 5 report, perchè hai
bisogno di "consegnarli" tramite e-mail alle persone che li
richiederanno da te, pagandoti 5 Euro/Dollari per ognuno di essi (anche
se sono gia` in possesso di essi, nel caso di giocatori che rientrano,
il sistema richiede il pagamento di 5 Euro/Dollari in cambio di
qualcosa). Quando ricevi i 5 report in 5 differenti e-mail, salva ogni
report su un floppy disk o CD, affinchè niente vada perso. Se li perdi,
non puoi continuare nel sistema, poiche` non hai niente da "consegnare"
agli altri giocatori.
Il costo totale del tuo investimento e`: 5 x 5 Euro/Dollari = 25 Euro o
dollari, una sciocchezza paragonata a quello che riceverai !!!
Nel giro di pochi giorni riceverai, come detto, le 5 e-mail con i 5
differenti report in italiano. Mentre stai aspettando I 5 report (numero 1, 
2, 3, 4 e 5), prendi questa e-mail, che hai precedentemente
salvato nel tuo computer, e fai quanto segue:
1. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero
   5. Questa persona ha finito il suo turno e stara` contando il suo
   guadagno;
2. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero
   4 e spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 5;
3. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero
   3 e spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 4;
4. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero
   2 e spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 3;
5. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero
   1 e spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 2;
6. inserisci il tuo nome e indirizzo accanto al report numero 1. Fatto,
   ora sei ufficialmente nel sistema.
Fai attenzione nel ricopiare tutti gli indirizzi: controlla sempre che
tutti i nomi e gli indirizzi siano scritti in maniera corretta
(specialmente nel caso di giocatori stranieri).

Dopo cio`, salva la nuova e-mail nel tuo computer, e fai anche una
copia e salvala su un floppy disk o CD. NON FARE ASOLUTAMENTE ALTRE
MODIFICHE.
Il prossimo passo e` quello di spedire le e-mail.

ESEMPIO
1: Ok, ora vediamo come funziona. Supponiamo che spedisci 20 e-mail a
20 persone. Pur essendo tutti in attesa di questa e-mail, soltanto 10
di loro trovano il tempo di ordinare il report numero 1 da te.
2: Quelle 10 persone spediscono a loro volta 20 e-mail a testa, per un
totale di 200 e-mail. Di nuovo, pur essendo tutti in attesa di ricevere
questa e-mail ed intascare i loro miliardi, soltanto la meta` di loro,
100 persone, ha il tempo di ordinare il report numero 2.
3: Quelle 100 persone spediscono a loro volta 20 e-mail a testa, per un
totale di 2000 e-mail. Stessa storia, solo 1000 di loro trova il tempo
di ordinare il report numero 3.
4: Quelle 1000 persone spediscono 20 e-mail ciascuno, per un totale di
20.000 e-mail. Solo 10.000 di loro ordina il report numero 4.
5: Quelle 10.000 persone spediscono 20 e-mail a testa, per un totale di
200.000 e-mail. Solo la meta` di loro ordina il report numero 5.

Ora, un po' di matematica. Il totale della vincita in questo caso, dove
non si ha il pieno potenziale di giocatori, poiche` si presume che
soltanto la meta` della meta` della meta`, ecc. Partecipi, e` il
seguente:
Per il report numero 1: 10 richieste = 10 x 5 dollari = 50 dollari =
100.000 lire
Per il report numero 2: 100 richieste = 100 x 5 dollari = 500 dollari =
1.000.000 lire
Per il report numero 3: 1.000 richieste = 1.000 x 5 dollari = 5.000
dollari = 10.000.000 lire
Per il report numero 4: 10.000 richieste = 10.000 x 5 dollari = 50.000
$ = 100.000.000 £
Per il report numero 5: 100.000 richieste = 100.000 x 5 $ = 500.000 $ =
1.000.000.000 lire
Totale: 50 + 500 + 5.000 + 50.000 + 500.000 = 555.550 $ pari a
1.111.100.000 di lire !!!!

Questo è il minimo che ognuno vincerà poichè è stato ormai sperimentato
e testato negli anni scorsi: ma se ognuno spedisce piu` di 20 e-mail, e
cosi` gli altri partecipanti, la vincita avrà proporzioni
stratosferiche che nemmeno potete immaginarvi. Questo dipende da te, se
hai il tempo e la voglia di spedire e-mail a persone che conosci, o se
trovi indirizzi e-mail su vari siti web gratuiti: non farai altro che
incrementare il valore della tua vincita. Ecco perchè possiamo parlare
di una vincita "facile", poche` l'unica cosa da fare e`spedire la
e-mail con il prorio nome vicino al report numero 1. Se ci pensate, è
proprio un gioco da ragazzi !!! Ma se volete ambire ad una vincita
incredibile avete la possibilità di farlo, E dipende tutto da voi.


ENTRA OGGI STESSO NEL SISTEMA, CORRI SUBITO A PREPARARE LE 5 BUSTE E
BUON GUADAGNO!!!


========== LA TUA LISTA DEI REPORTS IN ITALIANO ==========

ORDINA ADESSO UNA COPIA PER OGNI REPORT:
REPORT NUMERO 1 : "Il nuovo, gratuito e-mail software AGM - Completo"

Ordina il report numero 1 da:

Sandro Russo 
Via Venezuela , 23 
92100 AGRIGENTO

_____________________________________________________________________

REPORT NUMERO 2 : "Il completo setup di un nuovo, veloce e gratuito
Internet Provider" Italiano

Ordina il report numero 2 da:

C. Marenchino
Corso Langhe, 25
12051 ALBA (CN)
______________________________________________________________________

REPORT NUMERO 3 : "Che cos'è una 'Circolare Viaggiante' - Teoria,
prassi, necessità della Comunicazione Orizzontale" innovativo
contributo di Alessandro D'Agostini su come diffondere in modo efficace
informazioni libere con la "mlm comunication" Italiano

Ordina il report numero 3 da:

F. Musco
Via Griffi, 6
21100 VARESE
______________________________________________________________________


REPORT NUMERO 4 : "E-mail Adress Extract"

Ordina il report numero 4 da:

Adami Paolo
via verdi, 5
26020 Acquanegra CR

______________________________________________________________________


REPORT NUMERO 5 : "Guida pratica al successo con Multilevel Italian
System & Manuale in Italiano su come usare al meglio il nuovo, gratuito
e-mail software AGM e E-mail Adress Extract"

Ordina il report numero 5 da:

Antonio Masia
Vico Nocelle 74A
80136 Napoli NA

______________________________________________________________________

$$$$$$$$$$ ISTRUZIONI UTILI PER IL TUO SUCCESSO $$$$$$$$$$

Appena ricevi questa e-mail, se intendi partecipare, segui le
istruzioni relative all'inserimento del tuo nome, che abbiamo spiegato
alcuni paragrafi piu` sopra. Comincia a fare un elenco delle persone
alle quali intendi spedire questa e-mail. Fatto cio` comincia pure a
spedirle, mentre aspetti di ricevere i 5 report. Questo ti da il
vantaggio nei confronti di tutti quelli che ti richiederanno i 5 report
(e saranno molti !!!). Una volta che ricevi 10 richieste per il report
numero 1, riceverai matematicamente almeno 100 richieste per il report
numero 2. Dopo quello hai la scelta di rilassarti e tornare a fare
quello che facevi prima, poichè sei entrato nel "vortice" del sistema.
Oppure, come spiegato poco sopra, puoi continuare a spedire e-mail a
tutti quelli che te lo richiederanno, incrementando notevolmente la tua
vincita finale. Dipende solo da quanto denaro hai bisogno !!! Puoi
renderti conto di quanti soldi stai accumulando dal numero di richieste
che ti perverranno.Ricorda, senza e-mail non accedi al sistema.
Anche se hai già vinto una volta, e hai "comprato" i 5 report, questo
non ti da il diritto di scavalcare gli altri giocatori. Devi ricevere
una e-mail da uno dei giocatori, e ripetere tutti i passi, uno per uno,
dall'inizio. Questa e` l'unica regola imposta dal sistema, per il
beneficio di tutti i giocatori onesti. Se hai già vinto una volta, è
anche merito della loro onestà.

Un in bocca al lupo, e buona vincita miliardaria a tutti !!!!

Nota originale dell'autore, ovvero colui che ha inventato il sistema
piu` incredibile del mondo. "Se avete qualsiasi perplessità riguardo la
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Subject: Credentialing - Identity Assurance - HSPD 12 - REAL ID - Training
Conference Call for Exhibitors/Sponsors/Industry Best Practices Speakers
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:52:46 -0700

To: rah at ibuc.com  **Call for industry best practices
exhibitors/sponsors/speakers.  For more information call Andrea Feinberg at
201-592-6477 or <>afeinberg at marketaccess.org **

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Homeland Defense Journal is presenting the Physical Infrastructure
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- COOP and Telework Training Conference, August 15, 2007, Arlington, VA
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Proper credentialing enables federal agencies to enhance government
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processes and technologies, as well as provide an overview on the status of
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Attendees will learn about the latest technologies that are being utilized,
such as biometrics, and the technical specifications required integrating
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Attendees will also be given an opportunity to get an overview of new
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Industry trends represented in the credentialing market
Products and services available
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identification solution
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credentials
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management infrastructure and agency interoperability
Analysis of the next generation of government-wide security requirements
Implementation lessons learned and best practices
Agency compliancy updates
Policy updates
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Executive level managers & administrators: network, systems,
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From SteveBlack-webworker at grapemail.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: SteveBlack-webworker at grapemail.net (SteveBlack-webworker at grapemail.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: ScanDisk and Defrag aren't working. What do I do?
Message-ID: <mailman.79.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hello,

I am having a problem running maintainence on my computer.  
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without any results. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling them, 
but that did not work.  I even uninstalled and reinstalled 
Windows 98 II.  

Also, my clock kicks back an hour ever once in a while for 
no apparrent reason.  Has anyone else ever ran into these 
problems?  Any suggestions?

Steve
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Len Seider
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Site #135:  http://www.alabastercove.com
webmaster at alabastercove.com

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SITE  REVIEWED!

Comments on Site #129: http://www.mlmAnonymous.com
Tom Corbett
Tom.corbett at fuse.net
~~~~

mlmanonymous had a lot of good information but it was 
very overwhelming. The home page seemed to jump around 
between the what's, the who's and answering questions. I 
would recommend dividing this information - have a page 
on why you recommend, overviews of the three products 
on another page, faq's on another page.

The text on some of the pages was very tiny, and would 
be easier to read in a san-sarif font such as arial.

I like the site name, but didn't see the fit between it and 
health products. The feel of the site was on use these 
products for your health, not to make money like so many 
other biz-opp sites, so the name just seemed to conflict 
with the message.
~~~~

The site is clear enough but to tell the truth I got lost in the 
text. I didn't understand most of it and got turned away. It 
seems you're selling through various affiliate programs or home 
businesses on Health Products (a lot of this around). There's 
lots of info here but perhaps too much. A good summary on 
the 1st page would do wonders.
~~~~

I had to get out my dictionary for a couple of the words in 
your first paragraph, and I have a college education. You're 
going to be missing or turning off a lot of people with your 
current wording.

On the other hand, if you would develop the "I had faced 
some serious health challenges..." and tell people your 
story more people would be drawn into your site.

The layout is fine, you're just covering too much on your 
home page, and switching topics too often.
~~~~

This site did not load fully in my screen but overlapped.
I'm not sure what makes sites do that, and very few do,
but it is a little bothersome as I have to scroll over to
see the rest of the page. It also had those annoying pop 
up windows.

I like the products advertised and there is a lot of info on 
them, so that's good.
~~~~

The information on this site should be divided in to two 
different websites.  The focus is divided between health 
products and mlm programs, confusing the reader. 

I would have liked to see more information about what 
the mlm anon meetings and eschool are about.
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<br>Subject:&nbsp; ScanDisk and Defrag aren't working. What do I do?
<p>Hello,
<p>I am having a problem running maintainence on my computer.
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<br>problems?&nbsp; Any suggestions?
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<br>Lenseider at cs.com
<p>Site #135:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.alabastercove.com">http://www.alabastercove.com</a>
<br>webmaster at alabastercove.com
<p>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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<p><b>SITE&nbsp; REVIEWED!</b>
<p>Comments on Site #129: <a href="http://www.mlmAnonymous.com">http://www.mlmAnonymous.com</a>
<br>Tom Corbett
<br>Tom.corbett at fuse.net
<br>~~~~
<p>mlmanonymous had a lot of good information but it was
<br>very overwhelming. The home page seemed to jump around
<br>between the what's, the who's and answering questions. I
<br>would recommend dividing this information - have a page
<br>on why you recommend, overviews of the three products
<br>on another page, faq's on another page.
<p>The text on some of the pages was very tiny, and would
<br>be easier to read in a san-sarif font such as arial.
<p>I like the site name, but didn't see the fit between it and
<br>health products. The feel of the site was on use these
<br>products for your health, not to make money like so many
<br>other biz-opp sites, so the name just seemed to conflict
<br>with the message.
<br>~~~~
<p>The site is clear enough but to tell the truth I got lost in the
<br>text. I didn't understand most of it and got turned away. It
<br>seems you're selling through various affiliate programs or home
<br>businesses on Health Products (a lot of this around). There's
<br>lots of info here but perhaps too much. A good summary on
<br>the 1st page would do wonders.
<br>~~~~
<p>I had to get out my dictionary for a couple of the words in
<br>your first paragraph, and I have a college education. You're
<br>going to be missing or turning off a lot of people with your
<br>current wording.
<p>On the other hand, if you would develop the "I had faced
<br>some serious health challenges..." and tell people your
<br>story more people would be drawn into your site.
<p>The layout is fine, you're just covering too much on your
<br>home page, and switching topics too often.
<br>~~~~
<p>This site did not load fully in my screen but overlapped.
<br>I'm not sure what makes sites do that, and very few do,
<br>but it is a little bothersome as I have to scroll over to
<br>see the rest of the page. It also had those annoying pop
<br>up windows.
<p>I like the products advertised and there is a lot of info on
<br>them, so that's good.
<br>~~~~
<p>The information on this site should be divided in to two
<br>different websites.&nbsp; The focus is divided between health
<br>products and mlm programs, confusing the reader.
<p>I would have liked to see more information about what
<br>the mlm anon meetings and eschool are about.
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From NoReply at ListMakers.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: NoReply at ListMakers.com (NoReply at ListMakers.com)
Date: �., 26 �.�. 2544 10:49:47
Subject: Fwd: Become a Virtual 24-7 Master Recruiter
Message-ID: <200110261751.KAA13939@emisc.moe.go.th>




The Secret to Supercharge your MLM! A must read...

           I  N   T   R   O   D   U   C   I   N   G

MLMDynamite's PRE LAUNCH - SUMMER 2001 -
Ultimate Recruitment Solutions...

_________ In this new Millennium, MLM _________
                              will no longer be
                          the exclusive preserve
                             of entrepreneurial
                                  mavericks.
-Richard Poe's Wave4-

Hi there,

The secret is out!

Here's the mail we've all been waiting for! Read carefully
and take immediate action on it!

I've discovered an amazing formula that will give your
MLM an enormous enrollers explosion. You'll benefit
hugely if you use it with YOUR primary MLM!

-THE ULTIMATE RECRUITMENT FORMULA-

So if you are already in MLM or about to get into one
this will be the most important mail you will ever read.

Right now I know people who enroll dozens in their
downlines WEEKLY using the formula I'm about to
reveal.

Fred Stege, Founder of MLMDynamite, Inc enrolled
127 people within 7 day's after launching! One of his
enrollees from this batch has become top recruiter in
his company within 90 days after using this incredible
easy-to-use concept.

The NEW Formula is meant as a Front End Program to
enhance "YOUR" MLM. I'm NOT pitching you in any
MLM.
____________________________________________
In fact you may try it for absolutely FREE and you'll
get an electrifying stack of tools straight away!
____________________________________________

We've discovered that the majority of Qualified MLM
Leads (Prospects) all have 1 thing in common...

They all are looking for 3 things they desperately want
and can't get in any one 100% generic System...

I just know that you'll agree with these 3 things and
they are all to your advantage!

Let me reveal you the 3 most sought after topics first:

· Cutting Edge MLM Information.
· A Legitimate Proven Formula.
· Pre Qualified Leads. (And how to get them for FREE)

Isn't that what everybody is looking for?..
Will these topics ever go out of style?..
Doesn't THAT Attract the Masses?..

Does 'OLD SCHOOL MLM' attract the masses?..

Discover "How you can EARN RESIDUAL INCOME
While Recruiting on Auto Pilot whether they join your
MLM or not!"

Welcome to 21st Century Massive Recruitment.

I encourage you to check the details and sign up
immediately. That means NOW! Copy and paste this mail
with Your email address after sign up and bring it to your
contacts a.s.a.p!

For more info Click here mailto:clari277 at yahoo.com?subject=MORE_INFO

Sincerely,


Click here mailto:clari277 at yahoo.com?subject=MORE_INFO
P.S.


P.P.S.
On the given site you'll find a secret that every PRO
in our industry knows and uses...
It's called: S-L-L-G: Self Liquidating Lead Generation.
It will Create a Huge, Electrifying Surge in Your Cash Flow.

P.P.P.S.
Find out the NEW 3 foot rule in MLM. "Why Old School
MLM is nearly dead."

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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.80.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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From FOX2000 at go2.pl  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: FOX2000 at go2.pl (Marek Salamaj)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Processor VIPER 
Message-ID: <mailman.81.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


I am a student from Poland. I learn in Zielona Gora on Technical 
University of Zielona Gora. 
I study computing and electronics. 
My science on that university persist five years, now I am on fifth 
year. 
My education on that of university ends when I write and execute 
M.A. thesis, therefore I apply to You. 

Subject of my work is "Modelling and Synthesis safety processor 
VIPER in VHDL". 
VIPER takes its name from "Verifiable Integrated Processor for 
Enhanced Reliability" - it is the world's first microprocessor for 
safety-critical applications. 
VIPER is 32-bit microprocessor which invented at (RSRE) the UK Royal 
Signals and Radar Establishment for use in highly safety-critical 
military and civil systems. 
This processor is safety processor, which is used to steer systems, 
in which error, or mistake can't appear during work of system. These 
systems should characterize high precision of action. 
VIPER is used at nuclear plants, on board a missile, or at a 
chemical refinery, it's going to happen: a catastrophic computer- 
related disaster. 

My work, I execute in VHDL hardware description language. This 
language, I have known on studies. 
VHDL takes its name from "V - Very High Speed Integrated Circuit and 
HDL - Hardware Description Language". 

I apply to You; Do You know something about VIPER ?; perhaps Your 
friends know something about this processor. 
If You know something about VIPER, Could You make accessible me all 
materials, documentation, algorithm of programs in VHDL or another 
languages what You have. 


Thank You, I wait for answer 

Marek Salamaj 

My personal details: 
MAREK SALAMAJ 
e-mail: FOX2000 at go2.pl 
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From NoReply at wwwlist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: NoReply at wwwlist.com (NoReply at wwwlist.com)
Date: ��., 18 �.�. 2544 21:14:41
Subject: PRE LAUNCH - SUMMER2001
Message-ID: <200110181417.f9IEHML94695@mbox.roynet.co.th>




The Secret to Supercharge your MLM! A must read...

           I  N   T   R   O   D   U   C   I   N   G

MLMDynamite's PRE LAUNCH - SUMMER 2001 -
Ultimate Recruitment Solutions...

_________ In this new Millennium, MLM _________
                              will no longer be
                          the exclusive preserve
                             of entrepreneurial
                                  mavericks.
-Richard Poe's Wave4-

Hi there,

The secret is out!

Here's the mail we've all been waiting for! Read carefully
and take immediate action on it!

I've discovered an amazing formula that will give your
MLM an enormous enrollers explosion. You'll benefit
hugely if you use it with YOUR primary MLM!

-THE ULTIMATE RECRUITMENT FORMULA-

So if you are already in MLM or about to get into one
this will be the most important mail you will ever read.

Right now I know people who enroll dozens in their
downlines WEEKLY using the formula I'm about to
reveal.

Fred Stege, Founder of MLMDynamite, Inc enrolled
127 people within 7 day's after launching! One of his
enrollees from this batch has become top recruiter in
his company within 90 days after using this incredible
easy-to-use concept.

The NEW Formula is meant as a Front End Program to
enhance "YOUR" MLM. I'm NOT pitching you in any
MLM.
____________________________________________
In fact you may try it for absolutely FREE and you'll
get an electrifying stack of tools straight away!
____________________________________________

We've discovered that the majority of Qualified MLM
Leads (Prospects) all have 1 thing in common...

They all are looking for 3 things they desperately want
and can't get in any one 100% generic System...

I just know that you'll agree with these 3 things and
they are all to your advantage!

Let me reveal you the 3 most sought after topics first:

· Cutting Edge MLM Information.
· A Legitimate Proven Formula.
· Pre Qualified Leads. (And how to get them for FREE)

Isn't that what everybody is looking for?..
Will these topics ever go out of style?..
Doesn't THAT Attract the Masses?..

Does 'OLD SCHOOL MLM' attract the masses?..

Discover "How you can EARN RESIDUAL INCOME
While Recruiting on Auto Pilot whether they join your
MLM or not!"

Welcome to 21st Century Massive Recruitment.

I encourage you to check the details and sign up
immediately. That means NOW! Copy and paste this mail
with Your email address after sign up and bring it to your
contacts a.s.a.p!

For more info Click here mailto:clari277 at yahoo.com?subject=MORE_INFO

Sincerely,


Click here mailto:clari277 at yahoo.com?subject=MORE_INFO
P.S.


P.P.S.
On the given site you'll find a secret that every PRO
in our industry knows and uses...
It's called: S-L-L-G: Self Liquidating Lead Generation.
It will Create a Huge, Electrifying Surge in Your Cash Flow.

P.P.P.S.
Find out the NEW 3 foot rule in MLM. "Why Old School
MLM is nearly dead."

E N J O Y    O U R    S U M M E R  P  R E   L A U N C H    2 0 0 1
















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From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: rah at shipwright.com (R. A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.82.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

irtheory-owner at yahoogroups.com
Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory at yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:00:23 -0400
Subject: [irtheory] Re: War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved.
Reply-To: irtheory at yahoogroups.com

At 8:37 PM +0000 6/13/04, Carmi Turchick wrote:
>Thank you for the perfect illustration of pure evil

There you go again.

;-)

Cheers,
RAH

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44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
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From mp at misproductos.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: mp at misproductos.com (MisProductos.com)
Date: Monday 08-Oct-2001 18:11:08
Subject: �Amigo, quieres ver m�s?
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From dov at zeroknowledge.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: dov at zeroknowledge.com (Dov Smith)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: [Zero-Knowledge Press Release] Royal Bank To Test Zero-Knowledge
Message-ID: <mailman.83.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Systems' Internet Privacy & Sec
	urity Tools For Home Use
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:05:49 -0400
Sender: owner-zks-press at zeroknowledge.com
Reply-To: press at zeroknowledge.com

==================================================================
Zero-Knowledge Systems Press Release, http://www.zeroknowledge.com
==================================================================

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

ROYAL BANK TO TEST ZERO-KNOWLEDGE SYSTEMS' INTERNET PRIVACY AND SECURITY
TOOLS FOR HOME USE

-Select Royal Bank customers to receive Zero-Knowledge Systems' Freedom
Privacy & Security Tools-

Montreal, Quebec- August 15, 2001-Zero-Knowledge Systems today announced
that Royal Bank will begin a six-month pilot program in the fall offering
selected customers the opportunity to try privacy and security tools for
personal use with their computers at home.

The award-winning Freedom software will allow users to secure different
aspects of their Internet experience, such as alerting them of unauthorized
attempts to connect to their personal computer, simplifying registrations
when shopping online, preventing activity-tracking "cookies" from being
stored on their computer, and sending personal information only when it's
the consumer's choice.

"We've designed tools that average consumers can use in their own homes, to
give them greater control over how they share their personal information
when they do business, surf, or shop on the Internet," said Hamnett Hill,
Executive Vice President at Zero-Knowledge Systems.   "Companies like Royal
Bank have robust privacy and security measures in place for their web-based
financial services. Our privacy tools give consumers added confidence when
they enter the open marketplace of the Internet."

Zero-Knowledge, which has been providing security and privacy enabling
technologies and services for the past two years, is partnering with OEMs
(Original Equipment Manufacturers), ISPs (Internet Service Providers) and
now financial institutions like Royal Bank to make their privacy and
security tools available for distribution to customers.  "We're pleased to
make our privacy and security tools available through organizations that
want to help increase their customers' positive experiences online," Hill
added.

"Our clients have come to trust the privacy and security of their
information with Royal Bank when doing their banking online.  We want to
bring tools that offer privacy and security to other parts of their online
experiences," said Peter Cullen, Corporate Privacy Officer at Royal Bank.

As part of a direct mailing in the fall, Royal Bank will offer
Zero-Knowledge's Freedom Privacy & Security Tools for free to selected
current and potential online banking customers.  Based on customer feedback,
Royal Bank will consider offering the tools to all its customers next spring
2002.

Cullen added: "People want more choice and control over what they reveal
about themselves online. Royal Bank continues to work on many fronts to help
customers feel more comfortable using new technology for their everyday
needs, such as shopping and banking online. The easy-to-use tools developed
by Zero-Knowledge put additional control over privacy and security in the
hands of the consumer."

About Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc.

Zero-Knowledge Systems (www.zeroknowledge.com) is a provider of security and
privacy software and services. Zero-Knowledge equips Global 2000
organizations with the software and expertise to manage the security and
privacy of corporate and customer information assets, build brand around
consumer trust, and lower the cost of complying with global privacy
regulations and industry standards. Headquartered in Montreal with offices
in Redwood City, California, the company's suite of products includes the
Privacy Rights Management Center for secure and private management of
customer and corporate data within organizations; the Zero-Knowledge Gateway
for secure and private corporate Internet activities and communications; and
the Freedom Privacy & Security Tools for personal privacy and security
online. Journalists can visit the online pressroom at
www.zeroknowledge.com/media.

About Royal Bank

Royal Bank of Canada (RY) is a diversified financial services company. It
provides personal and commercial banking, wealth management services,
insurance, corporate and investment banking, and transaction processing on a
global basis. The company employs more than 57,000 people who serve more
than 10 million personal, business and public sector customers in North
America and in some 30 countries around the world. For more information,
please visit www.royalbank.com.

(Freedom(r) and Zero-Knowledge(r) are trademarks of Zero-Knowledge Systems,
Inc. These trademarks may be registered in certain jurisdictions. All other
trademarks are sole property of their respective owners.)

For further information, please contact:

Dov Smith
Zero-Knowledge Systems
514.350.7553
dov at zeroknowledge.com

Sara Best
Royal Bank Media Relations
416.974.2124

________________________________

  Dov Smith
  Director of Public Relations
  Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc.
  T 514.350.7553 F 514.286.2755
  mailto:dov at zeroknowledge.com
  www.zeroknowledge.com/media
________________________________

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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
Message-ID: <mailman.84.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



I would like to get further information as to why you don't think revocation
does
not work?  I'll admit that in the case of the revocation of Sun's certificates,
it
was very apparent that the notification process was weak.  The other piece, the
browser checking of expired/revoked certificates is non-existent but if you
properly
set up your application, it "should" check the revocation status of both the CA
certificate and the subscriber's certificate.

Your thoughts?


Bram Cohen wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 Lynn.Wheeler at firstdata.com wrote:
>
> > the other scenerio that some certification agencies have expressed (i.e.
> > licensing bureaus, bbb, consumer report, etc operations) is that in the
online
> > world ... that they would provide an online service .... rather than
> > certificates designed for an offline world.
>
> Yes, it seems fairly well established that revocations just plain don't
> work.
>
> Once again, the solution to the problems of offline operation appears to
> be online operation.
>
> -Bram Cohen
>
> For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to
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From l2rq10ktscr at lycos.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: l2rq10ktscr at lycos.com (Clay Brittany)
Date: 2002/06/24 Mon 10:52:08 CDT
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From Jim  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Jim (Jim)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.85.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

*** September Project Update ***

After a busy summer season of meetings and project development, a number of
FSTC projects are poised to launch, as well as a strong pipeline in
development.  Our Standing Committees (SCOMs), especially those in Business
Continuity, Security, and Check Imaging and Truncation, continue to broaden
their participation, and build upon a foundation of dialog and action that
leads to FSTC projects.  In the past few weeks, we issued two new calls for
participation: e-Authentication Proof-of-Concept, and Business Continuity
Compliance and Status Reporting.  See http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm .

In addition, we have recently completed projects in Image Quality and
Usability Assurance Phase I, Technology Recovery Best Practices, and
Survivability of Check Security Features.  Details on these recent projects
can be found at: http://fstc.org/projects/past.cfm .

FSTC provides an action-oriented, collaborative forum for our members to
address shared business opportunities and challenges through technology
projects and knowledge-sharing.  We view our projects as our core activity,
and one of the key benefits of FSTC membership is eligibility to participate
in these projects.  In our efforts to keep our members and friends
up-to-date on the latest developments in these active and developing
initiatives, we provide our colleagues this periodic project update  As
always, please contact me or Zach Tumin, FSTC Executive Director, for more
information.  Or visit our website at http://fstc.org.

Active Projects:

1.  Counter-Phishing Phase I

Projects in Formation:

1.  e-Authentication: Business and Technology Proof-of-Concept (call for
participation issued 9/8)
2.  Business Continuity: Compliance and Status Reporting (call for
participation issued 9/8)

Projects in Development:

1.  Image Quality and Usability Assurance Phase II
2.  Survivability of Check Security Features Phase II
3.  Treasury Services Integration: Data Exchange and Customer Connectivity
through Web Services
4.  Transformation to Open Mission Critical Systems
5.  Minimum Essential Finance (MEF)
______________

ACTIVE PROJECTS:

1.  Counter-Phishing Phase I (launched July 2004, expected to complete in
December)

http://fstc.org/projects/counter-phishing-phase-1/

FSTC has launched a phased initiative to address the problem of phishing and
related threats in financial services, as it affects the relationship
between customer and firm.  In collaboration with other industry groups,
FSTC will focus on defining the unique technical and operating requirements
of financial institutions (FIs) for counter-phishing measures; investigating
counter-phishing technical solutions, proving and piloting solution sets
enabled by technology to determine their fit against FI criteria and
requirements; and clarifying the infrastructure fit, requirements, and
impact of these technologies when deployed in concert with customer
education, enforcement, and other industry initiatives.  The benefits to
participants are: industry-vetted due diligence and scaling of the current
problem and its future evolution; insight into peer institution strategies
and assessments; and definition of an industry response that may be best
undertaken with collaboration between key industry segments.

12 financial institutions and over 15 technology companies are participating
in the 5-month first phase.  This project originates from the Security SCOM:
co-chaired by Mike McCormick of Wells Fargo, and Mike Versace of NEC.
Please contact FSTC Managing Executive Gene Neyer for more information
(gene.neyer at fstc.org).  (http://fstc.org/advisory/security.cfm)
______________

PROJECTS IN FORMATION:

1.  e-Authentication: Business and Technology Proof-of-Concept (call for
participation issued 9/8/04)

http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#eauth

This 5-month project will assess the viability of the potential business
opportunity that exists for financial institutions to leverage their online
customer relationships and provide an authentication service to government
agencies, and to integrate these services into financial institutions'
online applications. FSTC, jointly with the GSA's E-Authentication
Initiative Project Management Office (EAI PMO), propose to launch a
three-track project to ascertain the business model, legal framework, and
technical viability of using institutions' identity credentials to permit
consumers and businesses to access secure online government applications.

The GSA is funding the business track of the initiative. There is no cost to
financial institutions, and a $5,000 fee for associate and advisory members.
In addition, a resource commitment is required for all participants, as
outlined in the prospectus. Participation commitments are requested by Sept
24th, and the target kickoff is the week of October 4th.

______________

2.  Business Continuity: Compliance and Status Reporting (call for
participation issued 9/8/04)

http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#compliance

The FSTC Business Continuity Standing Committee proposes an initiative to
assist the financial industry in coming to a common understanding on the
meaning of continuity regulation, prioritization of compliance related
activities, and creating efficiencies in documenting regulatory compliance
status. To establish a clear understanding of the regulatory environment, a
list of continuity related guidance will be pulled together along with the
name of the agency responsible. Each regulation will be reviewed and a
clearly worded summary of the continuity requirements will be developed.
Where possible the regulatory agencies will be contacted for clarification
on specific points. Common themes and requirements will be documented and
prioritized.

>From the continuity regulation summary, a questionnaire will be developed
which will allow a FI to provide or collect continuity compliance status.
The project will focus on providing straight forward interpretations of what
is needed for an FI to comply with current regulations.

This project is sponsored by the Business Continuity SCOM, co-chaired by Tom
Hirsch of US Bank, and Damian Walch of IBM.  Please contact FSTC Managing
Executive Charles Wallen for more information (charles.wallen at fstc.org).
______________

PROJECTS IN DEVELOPMENT:

1.   Image Quality and Usability Assurance: Phase II (proposal being
finalized)

http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#iqa2

In Phase I, more than 20 companies, representing 2/3 of US check volume,
most major vendors, and key industry associations, undertook a 90-day effort
to assess the impact of poor quality check images, and defined 16 technical
metrics and 4 usability levels that can be used to measure image quality and
usability in a standard and interoperable way.  The findings of the Phase I
project team justified further development, to test these metrics in a
real-world scenario, on millions of images, to determine the quantitative
thresholds for the 16 metrics that will define a minimum baseline "standard"
for acceptable quality images for the industry.

The business objectives are to maximize efficiencies, cost savings, and
ensure strong adoption of image exchange. The project will undertake a
robust, "real-world" analysis and test to provide actionable specifications
and direction to the industry to allow financial institutions, technology
vendors, standards organizations, and other key partners to collectively
implement baseline image quality and usability through industry
collaboration under the FSTC umbrella.

This project originates from the Check Truncation SIG
(http://fstc.org/advisory/check-truncation.cfm), co-chaired by Katrina
Brown, Wells Fargo; Glen Ulrich, US Bank; and Ian Goodall, NCR.  A call for
participation is expected during the month of September.
______________

2.  Survivability of Check Security Features Phase II

As a follow-on to the recently completed Phase I
(http://fstc.org/projects/csf/), this initiative will seek to develop
interoperability specifications for automated security feature verification
engines.  As a growing number of vendors offer security features targeted at
surviving the imaging process, institutions face a growing number of
proprietary verification engines that must be installed and configured to
validate these features during processing.  The objective of this initiative
is to make is less expensive and easier to manage the implementation of
these security feature verification products.

This project originates from the Check Truncation SIG
(http://fstc.org/advisory/check-truncation.cfm).  More information on this
project will be published in the next month or so.
______________

3.  Treasury Services Integration: Data Exchange and Customer Connectivity
through Web Services (on hold)

http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#tsi

As a potential Phase II following the previous Web Services for Corporate
Cash Management effort, a core group of FSTC institutions and technology
companies have defined key business objectives and deliverables for a
discovery phase, and subsequent pilot-level project utilizing Web Services
in the Treasury Services / Cash Management area.  The project, as it
currently stands, will seek to further develop the Phase I set of web
services and associated definitions to create new and open-standards-based
connectivity options between banks, and between banks and their customers.
The business goals are to enable standards-based "plug-and-play" integration
capabilities between institutions and customer platforms, whether ERP,
Treasury Work Station (TWS), or desktop.

A core group of financial institutions and technology companies has
committed to launching this initiative in the second half of 2004.  This
project is considered on-hold until later this year.
______________

4.  Transformation to Open Mission Critical Systems

The transformation of systems from higher cost or proprietary delivery to
open systems is one of the most hotly debated and discussed topics in
financial services IT.  While there is great promise in the flexibility and
efficiencies gained, there is also risk and cost. An FSTC project will soon
form up to determine answers to such key questions as, "Are those
transformations viable?" and "What are the costs and processes by which a
successful transformation program will be run?" The vision of this
initiative is to bring together financial institutions to investigate the
needs, processes, best practices, technology issues, risk factors,
organizational issues and lessons-learned for transformation projects which
move core business processes from legacy IT assets to open systems.  We will
provide additional details shortly.  If you are interested in joining an
interest group around this topic, please contact us.
______________

5.  Minimum Essential Finance (MEF)

In its early stages, FSTC and its members are in dialog with numerous
government and industry organizations to explore interest in an initiative
to identify the minimum essential elements of our financial system, and to
develop a plan and process to ensure that it remains operational in the
event of a disruption to normal operations.  A workshop is currently being
planned for this fall for multiple public and private sector organizations
to develop this concept further.  If you are interested in joining this
dialog, please contact Zach Tumin at zachary.tumin at fstc.org .
______________

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From tedks at riseup.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: tedks at riseup.net (Ted Smith)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Freedom Hosting Owner Arrested, Tormail Compromised, Malicious JS Discovered
Message-ID: <mailman.86.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Mon, 2013-08-12 at 10:30 +0200, rysiek wrote:
>> > While I'm certainly not saying "I don't buy it", how does this
>> > reconcile with the reality of The Silk Road still being in
>> existance.
>> > One would think that governments would use these techniques against
>> > the site if for nothing more than to catch/punish them for all the
>> tax evasion going on.
> 
>> Yeah, that's a conundrum.

>No it isn't. The government agencies that could potentially attack Tor
>to bust the Silk Road would *never* care about the level of drugs moved
>through it. They care about the people multiple levels above TSR,
>drastically higher up in the supply chain. 

Is there any evidence of this?   From all appearances, they care about nothing 
so much as preserving and expanding their funding.

>Remember, TSR sends drugs *through the mail*. You can't successfully
>*mail* enough drugs for the NSA/DEA to care.

NSA surely doesn't want the publicity, but the DEA is always in search of
positive press.   If they have to listen to 100K conversations in order to 
bust one kid, picking up a few hundred Oxycodone pills at the Post Office,
is there any reason to suspect they wouldn't do so?




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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Annual Self-Inspection Report
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(a) OUSD(I) Memorandum, Annual Senior Agency Official
(SAO) Self-Inspection Program Report for Classified
National Security Information, 2 October 2012
(b) Memorandum of Agreement between the Secretary of
Defense and the Director of National Intelligence
concerning the National Reconnaissance Office,
21 September 2010
(c) DoDI 5200.01, DoD Information Security Program and
Protection of Sensitive Compartmented Information,
9 October 2008

The National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) is providing the
attached Self-Inspection Report as requested in reference (a). In
accordance with Director, National Reconnaissance Office authorities
in reference (b) and (c) it should be noted that the NRO does not
administer a standard DoD Information Security Program based on DoDM
5200.01-V1 thru V3 and, therefore, some of the items in the attached
checklist are not applicable and have been noted as such.
My point of contact for questions concerning this submission is
(b)(3) 10 USG 44-

. Jamieson Burnett
irector, Office of Security
and Counterintelligence
Attachment:
NRO Annual Self - Inspection Report for 2012

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NRO APPROVED FOR RELEASE
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National Reconnaissance Office
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DATE

Security Manager

11 October
2012

EO 13526 CLASSIFIED NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION AND IMPLEMENTING DIRECTIVE

REQUIREMENTS
PART 1. DESCRIPTION OF SELF-INSPECTION PROGRAM: A description of the
DoD Components self-

inspection program should include activities assessed, program areas
covered, and methodology
utilized. The description must demonstrate how the self-inspection
program provides the senior
agency official with the information necessary to assess the
effectiveness of the classified national
security information program within the individual Component
activities and the Component as a
whole. It should include the following:
1. Responsibility for the program:
(1) Whom does the senior agency official designate to assist in
directing and administering the self-inspection
program?
Answer . The Director of Security and Counterintelligence (DOS&CI) is
provided a Letter of Instruction by the
Director, NRO which assigns his responsibilities.
(2) How is the program structured to provide the senior agency
official with the information necessary to assess the

agency's classified national security information program?

Answer: The DOS&CI advises the Senior Agency Official (SAO) when the
DOS&CI believes events warrant
advising the SAO. The NRO Integrated Security Assessment Program
(ISAP) results are also reported to the SAO
thru the annual Management Control Plan Statement of Assurance (MCPSOA).

(b)(3) 10 USC 424

(3) Who conducts the self-inspections?

Answer: NRO self-inspections are part of the NRO ISAP. Because
contractors make upgAof the total NRO
workforce and have the overwhelming number of Sensitive Compartmented
Information Facilities (SCIFs), ISAP is
a collaborative process between Government and industry to identifi ,
and address security vulnerabilities, provide
datfornlysi,findings
e tmcuriyseand.Th
may lead to identification and
definition of risk mitigation practices, and enable sharing of best
security practices across government and
industry. The primary purpose of the ISAP is to ensure the proper
safeguarding of classified information through a
single comprehensive review by various components of the Office of
Security and Counterintelligence (OS&CI).
ISAP integrates reviews utilizing program security, classification
management, transportation and transmission of
classified information, physical and technical accreditation,
information systems security, personnel security, and
Counterintelligence (CI) perspectives. The integrated assessment
evaluates implementation of and ensures
compliance with, established security policies, procedures, and plans
at all NRO government and contractor
location&
Site personnel conduct/document security self-assessments per
requirements stated in the NRO Security Manual
(NSM). Security Officers will conduct self-assessments of their SCIFs
at least annually. For the reporting period
there were 343 site self-assessments. The ISAP Manager or designee
reviews the site assessments and enters a
copy into an NRO database listing each NRO sponsored facility.
Based on the self-assessments, the ISAP Manager, Program Security
Officers (PSOs) and stakeholders discuss
findings and formulate recommendations for a formal assessment, if
required OS&CI stakeholders represent the
major OS&CI divisions and program office security staffs, including,
but not limited to, PSOs, Physical/Technical
Certification Officers, and Security Certification Officers.
Stakeholders will develop and provide ISAP candidates
to the ISAP Selection Board. Each ISAP recommendation shall contain
detailed factors used to formulate the
recommendation. Recommendation for site visits is then provided to the
selection board Sites are selected based
on ring proximity, resources, budgetary constraints, time since last
assessment, and random sampling. A team
composition is proposed for each site visit and a Lead PSO is selected
The Assessment Team will, at a minimum,
consist of a Government PSO and an OS&Cl/Facilities and Information
Security Division (F&ISD) representative.
Additional team members will be added as needed based on site size,
mission, facility risk, and subject areas being
assessed. An out-briefing is provided to site security site - and
other site senior management identfying security
program successes, observations, and any security "best practices"
discovered during the formal assessment. The
results are then loaded into the facility database that contains
information from all previous visits with any problem
areas or "best practices" noted. A final report requiring corrective
actionsto be taken within 90 days of the date of

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National Reconnaissance Office
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Security Manager

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2012

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report is issued by the DOS&CI. The assessed site is required to
provide follow-up reports of corrective action to
the responsible PSO and the ISAP Manager every 90 days until all
corrective actions are complete. The
responsible PSO monitors all mitigation actions. Reports of corrective
action are loaded into the NRO facilities
database for historical purposes. For the reporting period, 16 formal
team assessments were performed An
additional 9 formal specific-issue reviews were conducted There were
an additional 1,491 visits by OS&CI
stakeholders to contractor SCIFs.

(4) How is the senior agency official involved in the program?
Answer: The DOS&CI keeps the SAO advised of trends and issues
developed by the ISAP. The NRO ISAP results
are also reported to the SAO thru the annual MCPSOA.
2. Approach:

(1) What means and methods are employed in conducting self-inspections?
Answer: For formal assessments, the Assessment Team evaluates
implementation, and ensures compliance with,
established NRO security policies, procedures, and plans.

(2) Are different types of self-inspections conducted? If so, describe
each of them.
Answer: Formal assessments will vary based on the experience of the
lead PSO and the stakeholders with the
facility and items noted in the self-evaluation report as well as the
areas of responsibility of the attending subject
matter experts. However, the objective for all is to identify and
address security vulnerabilities, provide data for
analysis, and identift system security issues and trends.

(3) Do the self-inspections evaluate adherence to the principles and
requirements of E.O. 13526 and its implementing
directive and the effectiveness of agency programs covering:
• Original classification?
Answer: Since Original Classification items only apply to 13
government employees who are Original
Classification Authorities (OCA) at NRO Headquarters, a formal tasking
is sent to Program Security Officers
supporting the OCA to determine the date the OCA received their annual
briefing and the number of original
classification decisions they made during the reporting period.
Experience has shown that not all of the OCAs
make individual OCA decisions every year but most require their
authority to sign classification guides for
their area of responsibility. For the reporting period there, nine OCA
decisions were made.

•

Derivative classification?
Answer: Included. In NRO Implementing Instructions released on 31 May
2011, derivative classifiers were
instructed to include in the classification block a personal
identification number rather than their name to
protect their identity and association with the NRO. This
"Classification ID (CLID)" number exists in the
NRO Access Database so the specific individual with that number can
always be identyled Employees of other
agencies, who already have an ID number assigned by their parent
agency, will use that number instead
Headquarters NRO derivative classifiers have their PSO available for
questions regarding classification and
marking and to review their derivatively classified documents for
format and accuracy of classffication and
marking. Available on the OS&CI website are the Order, Information
Security Oversight Office (IS00)
Implementing Directive and Marking booklet, videos and documents that
explain the correct way to classify
and mark documents, the Controlled Access Program Coordination Office
(CAPCO) register and manual, over
120 Frequently Asked Questions with answers that are posted about
portion marking a Security Policy hotline
that will answer their questions in real-time, and numerous other
experts who are available to answer their
questions. Once the document is distributed, they face additional
scrutiny from any security or classification
management officer who reads it or from subject matter experts who
point out classification and marking
errors to security officers.
The ISAP team visiting a site will review a sample of derivatively
classified documents to point out errors in
classification and marking, omissions of required information, and to
make suggestions for improvement.

•

Declassification?
Answer: The NRO has a formal declassification program which restricts
to one office the authority to officially
declassify NRO information and release it to the public, and which is
not included in the self-inspection
program. The results of this program are reported in the SF 311 report
provided to USD(I) in October 2012.
The NRO Declassification Guide (known as the Review and Redaction
Guide) is updated and approved by the

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2012

ITEM

DNRO each year. It is currently undergoing review by the Interagency
and is expected to be approved by the end of 2012.

•

Security Classification Appeals Panel

Safeguarding?
Answer: Included

•

Security violations?
Answer: Included

•

Security education and training?
Answer: Included

•

Management and oversight?

Answer: Included
(4) Do the self-inspections include a review of relevant security
directives and instructions, as well as interviews with
producers and users of classified information?
Answer: All directives and instructions are issued by the DOS&Cl and
are reviewed and updated annually. All
directives and instructions are maintained on-line and are accessible
to all government employees and contractors.
(5) Do the self-inspections include reviews of representative samples
of your Component's original and derivative
classification actions?
• Do these reviews encompass all Component activities that generate
classified information?
Answer: There are hundreds of individual activities that can generate
classified information. While the annual
self-assessment questionnaire covers 343 of these activities, the ISAP
formal assessment inspects only a small
percentage of these activities yearly. However, the Program Security
Officers, Contractor Program Security
Officers, and Classification Specialists review hundreds of classified
documents yearly and provide direction to
originators to correct those that are improperly marked.
o How do you identify the activities to which this applies?
Answer: Site personnel conduct/document security self-assessments per
requirements stated in the NSM
• Do the reviews include a sampling of various types of classified
information in document and electronic
formats?
o How do you ensure that the materials reviewed provide a
representative sample of the Component's
classified information?
Answer: Documents are selected for review in cooperation with site
personnel who are familiar with the type
of materials produced by the site. However, contractors are not
required to count classified pages produced
because of the additional costs that would be incurred by the NRO, so
the documents reviewed may not be a
representative sample.
o How do you determine that the sample is proportionally sufficient to
enable a credible assessment of your
Component's classified product?
Answer: We do not attempt to do this as it would increase costs to the
NRO (as explained above).
• Who conducts the review of the classified products?
o Are they knowledgeable of the classification and marking
requirements of E.O. 13526 and its
implementing directive?
Answer: Yes
o Do they have access to pertinent security classification guides?
Answer: Yes
• Have appropriate personnel been designated to correct
misclassification actions? If so, identify.
Answer: All Program Security Officers and Classification Managemeni
Specialists are authorized to correct
misclassification, incorrect use of SCI channels, and incorrect
dissemination restrictions.
3.

Frequency:
(1) How frequently are self-inspections conducted?
Answer: Annually.
(2) What factors were considered in establishing this time period?
Answer: Time period is defined in the NSM.
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2012

ITEM

4. Coverage:
(1) How do you determine what program elements and Component
activities are covered by your self-inspection
program?
Answer: Self-assessments are to be completed on each contractor SCIF.

(2) What Component activities are assessed?

Answer: All contractor activities are assessed.

(3) How is the program structured to assess individual Component
activities and the Component as a whole?
Answer: Contractor locations far outnumber government locations in the
NRO. Government locations are
relatively few in number and have professional government security
officers assigned who can monitor
safeguarding and classified information production and correct errors
as they occur. We chose to concentrate on
contractorfacilities which are visited relatively infrequently. The
conditions at contractor locations are not directly
applicable to government locations.

(4) If your Component has any special access programs (SAP), are
self-inspections of the SAP programs conducted
annually?
Answer: Most SAPs are reviewed as part of the ISAP program. The ISAP
formal assessment team has PSOs
assigned that are briefed for most SAPs. In addition. the NRO conducts
special annual reviews (in some cases.
semi-annual) of the entire Sensitive Activities portfolio.

o

o

Do the self-inspections confirm that the Component head or principal
deputy has reviewed each special access
program annually to determine if it continues to meet the requirements
of E.O. 13526?
Answer: The NRO's entire Sensitive Activities portfolio is reviewed
and briefed annually to the DNI's Senior
Review Group (SRG) who then reports to Congress.

Do the self-inspections determine if officers and employees are aware
of the prohibitions and sanctions for
creating or continuing a special access program contrary to the
requirements of E.O. 13526?
Answer: Yes. In keeping with E.O. 13526, all Sensitive Activities'
compartments that are established
terminated, or transitioned (to another program or lower
classification) require NRO Special Activities
Management Board review and approval, followed by notification to the
DNI's Senior Review
Group/Controlled Access Program Oversight Committee.

5. Reporting:

(1) What format for documenting self-inspections in your Component?
Answer: Self assessments are documented using the self-assessment
review tool in the NSM, Appendix B. For
formal assessments, an out-briefing is provided to site security staff
and other site senior management identi&ing
security program successes, observations, and any security "best
practices" discovered during the formal
assessment. The results are then loaded into the facility database
that contains information from all previous visits
with any problem areas or "best practices" noted A final report
requiring corrective actions to be taken within 90
days of the date of report is issued by the DOS&CI. The assessed site
is required to provide follow-up reports of
corrective action to the responsible PSO and the ISAP Manager every 90
days until all corrective actions are
complete. The responsible PSO monitors all mitigation actions. Reports
of corrective action are loaded into the
NRO facilities database for historical purposes.

(2) Who receives the reports?
Answer: The OS&CI ISAP Manager.

(3) Who compiles/analyzes the reports?
Answer: The ISAP Manager and the responsible PSO analyze the report.
(4)

How are the findings analyzed to determine if there are problems of a
systemic nature?

Answer: The ISAP Manager provides to the sponsoring Government Program
Security Officer (GPSO) for review
and subsequent action.
(5) How and when are the results of the self-inspections reported to
the senior agency official?
Answer: The DOS&CI determines when results warrant informing the SAO.

(6) How is it determined if corrective actions are required?
Answer: The GPSO and security stalceholder(s) review.

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(7) Who takes the corrective actions?
Answer: The assessed site.

(8) How are the findings from your Component's self-inspection program
distilled for the annual report to the Director
o f ISOO?
Answer: The OS&CI Security Policy Staff (SPS) tasks the ISAP Manager
to distill the findings and provide them to
SPS for inclusion in the annual report.
Self-Inspection Program Description here: Description include in
italics under questions above.
PART 2. ASSESSMENT & SUMMARY:
ASSESSMENT

The assessment is an evaluation of the state of each element of your componenVs
classified national security information program based on an analysis
of the findings of the selfinspection program. It should consider if
the program element is being effectively implemented in
accordance with the Order and Directive and DoD 5200.01-M. It should
consider whether the
findings indicate that the regulation or other policies or procedures
may need to be updated, and
it should take into account other program information such as the
Standard Form 311, "Agency
Security Classification Management Program Data." If a particular
element does not apply to a
component (e.g., original classification authority) the report should
explain this.
• Original classification
Rating: Satisfactory
• Derivative classification
Rating: Document creation: Satisfactory Training: Deficient due to cost
• Declassification
Rating: Satisfactory
• Safeguarding
Rating: Satisfactory
• Security violations:
Rating: Satisfactory
• Security education and training
Rating: Satisfactory except for Derivative Classifier training which
is not required due to cost
• Management and oversight
Rating: Satisfactory
SUMMARY: The summary should report the findings from the
self-inspection program within each
of the program areas. This information should support the assessment.
• Original classification
Rating: Satisfactory
• Derivative classification
Rating: Document creation: Satisfactory Training: Deficient due to cost
• Declassification
Rating: Satisfactory
• Safeguarding
Rating: Satisfactory
• Security violations
Rating: Satisfactory
• Security education and training
Rating: Satisfactory except for Derivative Classifier training which
is not required due to cost
• Management and oversight
Rating: Satisfactory
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FOCUS QUESTIONS: Answer the following focus questions.
(1) Training for original classification authorities. (This applies
only to Components

with original classification authority).
(1) Original classification authorities are required to receive
training in proper classification and declassification each
calendar year (5200.01-V?). What percentage of the original
classification authorities at your Component has
received this training?

(2) Have any waivers to this requirement been granted?
Answer: 100% of NRO OCAs have received training. No waivers have been granted.
FOCUS QUESTIONS: Answer the following focus questions.

(2) Training for persons who apply derivative classification markings.
(1) Persons who apply derivative classification markings are required
to receive training in the proper application of the
derivative classification principles of the E0 13526 prior to
derivatively classifying information and at least once
every two years thereafter. What percentage of the derivative
classifiers at your Component has received this
training?
(2) Have waivers to this requirement been granted?
Answer: Percentage unknown. The DSS and CAPCO Derivative Classifier
training is available through the
NRO computer network; however, NRO has not made this training
mandatory because of the cost of two
hours of direct labor charged by each contractor. No waivers have been granted.
FOCUS QUESTIONS: Answer the following focus questions.

(3) Initial training.
(1) All cleared agency personnel are required to receive initial
training on basic security policies, principles, practices,
and criminal, civil, and administrative penalties. What percentage of
these personnel at your Component has
received this training?
Answer: 100% of new employees have received initial training.
FOCUS QUESTIONS: Answer the following focus questions.

(4) Refresher training.
(1) Components are required to provide annual refresher training to
all employees who create, process, or handle
classified information. What percentage of these employees at your
Component has received this training?
Answer: 100% of employees have received refresher training.
FOCUS QUESTIONS: Answer the following focus questions.

(5) Identity of persons who apply derivative classification markings.
(1) Derivative classifiers must be identified by name and position, or
by personal identifier on each classified
document. What percentage of the documents sampled meet this
requirement? (Also, indicate the number of
documents reviewed for this requirement.)
Answer: NRO personnel are directed to use a personal identifier. 100%
of documents have met this
requirement. The number of documents reviewed is unknown.
FOCUS QUESTIONS: Answer the following focus questions.

(6) List of multiple sources.
(1) A list of sources must be included on or attached to each
derivatively classified document that is classified based on
more than one source document or classification guide. What percentage
of the documents sampled meet this
requirement? (Also, indicate the number of documents reviewed for this
requirement.)
Answer: 100% of documents have met this requirement. The number of
documents reviewed is unknown.

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FOCUS QUESTIONS: Answer the following focus questions.

(7) Performance evaluations.
(1) The performance contract or other rating system of original
classification authorities, security managers, and other
personnel whose duties significantly involve the creation or handling
of classified information must include a
critical element to be evaluated relating to designation and
management of classified information. What percentage
of such personnel at your Component has this element in their
performance contracts?

Answer: The NRO is comprised of government individuals from various
agencies. Parent agencies set the
rules for their performance contract or rating system. Based on the
rules for each parent agency,
approximately 40% have this element in their performance contract
PART 4. DISCREPANCIES: Specific information with regard to the
findings of the annual review of

the Component's original and derivative classification actions to
include the volume of classified
materials reviewed and the number and type of discrepancies identified.
1. "Discrepancies" are instances when the classification and/or
marking requirements of the Order, Directive and Agency
regulation are not met. Among these are:
(1) Overclassification: information does not meet the standards for
classification.
(2) Overgraded/Undergraded: Information classified at a higher/lower
level than appropriate.
(3) Declassification: Improper or incomplete declassification
instructions or no declassification instructions.
(4) Duration: A shorter duration of classification would be appropriate.
(5) Unauthorized classifier: A classification action taken by someone
not authorized to do so.
(6) "Classified By" line: A document does not identify the OCA or
derivative classifier by name and position or by
personal identifier.
(7) "Reason" line: An originally classified document does not cite a
reason from section 1.4 of the Order.
(8) "Derived From" line: A document fails to cite, or cites
improperly, the classification source. The line should
include type of document, date of document, subject, and office/agency
of origin.
(9) Multiple sources: A document cites "Multiple Sources" as the basis
for classification, but list of these sources is
not included on or attached to the document.
(l0)Marking: A document lacks overall classification markings or has
improper overall classification markings.
(I 1 ) Portion Marking: The document lacks required portion markings.
(12) Instructions from a classification guide are not properly applied.
For additional information on marking, consult the l)oDM 5200.01-V2.
List identified program deficiencies here. Also list actions taken or
are planned to correct identified program
deficiencies, marking discrepancies, or misclassification actions, and
to deter their reoccurrence:
Answer: Improper application of portion marking. Individuals will
receive additional training and review of
their documents by security officers.
PART 5. BEST PRACTICES: List best practices that were identified
during self inspections here:
- Comprehensive security database developed which reflects final
adjudication and investigation of security incidents
- SCIF decertification process assembled consisting of:
-- SCIF decertification checklist
-- Sanitization steps for offices
-- SCIF decertification roles and responsibilities
- The self-assessments, methodology, and supporting application is a
model for other industry sites
- Comprehensive Open/Close procedures
- Plexiglas inspection window and inspection ports for checking
penetration of perimeter by HVAC, wiring, etc.
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DoD SELF INSPECTION PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS: This portion of the
checklist meets specific
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requirements for a standard DoD Information Security Program based on
the DoDM 5200.01-V1 thru
V3. Please answer the following questions below.
NO.PROGRAM MANAGEMENT (EO 13526 REQUIREMENTS)
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Has the head of each activity in the Component appointed a security
manager to manage and implement the activity's information security
program which implements the provisions of DoDM 5200.01-M? (DoDM
5200.01-M, Vol 1, End 2, para 8.b & 9.a)
Does the Component Head develop and implement, through the security
manager, security instructions necessary for program implementation?
(DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 1, Encl 2, para 9.d)
Are sufficient resources and personnel committed to implement the
classified national security information security program? (DOOM 5200.01-M,
Vol 1, Encl 2, para 6.d)
Are OCAs delegated classification authorities in writing? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol
1, Encl 4, para 5.c)
Has the security manager attended the required training? Note: Training and
education shall be provided before, concurrent with, or not later than six
months following appointment. (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 5, paras 4.a and
10)
Does the security manager conduct security inspections (self-inspections)?
(DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 1, Encl 2, para 7.d)
• Is the Component Head informed of the results of such inspection?
Does the security manager establish, implement and maintain an effective
security education program as required by DoDM 5200.01-M, Volume 3,
Enclosure 5, to include initial orientation and continuing/refresher training
for assigned members? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 1, End 2, para 7.g & 9.f; Vol 1,
Encl 3, Para 6.c; and Vol 3, Encl 5, para 7 & 8)
• Do security managers document all security-related training? (DoDM
5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 5, para 11)
Are procedures established to prevent unauthorized access to classified
information? (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 1, End 2, para 7.e)
• Note: Examples include implementing visitor controls, restricting
combinations to cleared members, establishing end-of-day security
checks, etc)
Are emergency plans developed for the protection, removal, or destruction
of classified material in case of fire, natural disaster, civil disturbance, or
terrorist activities to minimize the risk of compromise? (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol
1, Encl 2, para 9.d)
Are procedures established for ensuring that all persons handling classified
material are properly cleared and have a need-to-know? (DOOM 5200.01-M,
Vol 1, End 3, para 11.a)
Does the security manager maintain a continuity handbook?

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Are Original Classification Authorities (OCAs) trained on the process and
requirements for original classification (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 1, Encl
4, para 6),
to include?

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Applicable standards and categories for classification? (D0DM 5200.01-m,

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1, Encl 4, para 1)
Levels of classification and damage criteria associated with each one?
(DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 1, Encl 4, para 3)
• Avoidance of over - classification? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 1, End 4, para 6.f)
• Classification prohibitions and limitations? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 1, Encl 4,
para 2)
• Required markings, including those for dissemination and handling?
(DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 1, Encl 4, para 6.h; Vol 2, Ends 3 & 4)
• Determination of declassification instructions? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 1,
Encl 4, para 13.a)
• Delegations of OCA responsibilities? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 1, Encl 4, para 5
& 5.c)
• Classification challenges? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 1, Encl 4, para 22)
13. Have OCAs prepared, as appropriate, classification guides to facilitate the
proper and uniform derivative classification of information? (DoDM 5200.01,
Vol 1, Encl 4, para 6.h; Vo11, Encl 6, para 1)
14.
Do the guides meet the requirements of section 2.2 of E.O. 13526 and section
2001.15 of title 32, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR)?
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15.

Are persons who apply derivative classification markings trained on the
process and requirements for derivative classification (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 1,
Encl 4, para 11 & 12), to include?
• Identity of derivative classifier? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, End 3, para 7 &
8.c. (1)(a))
• Use of source documents, including classification guides? (DoDM
5200.01M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para 8.c.(1)(b), 8.c.(2) & 8.c.(3))
• Declassification instructions? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3,
para 8.c.(1)(d),
8.c.(4)-(9) & 9)
• Proper application of markings? See Classification Markings/Document
Review section below. (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3 & 4)
• Classification challenges (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 1, Encl 4, para 22)

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16.

Reviews of original and derivative classification actions shall be conducted in
accordance with section 2001.60(c)(2) of title 32, CFR, and should evaluate the
classification and marking of documents to include: (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 1,
Encl 2, para 7.d)
• Have the standards of classification been met? (DoDM 5200.01, Vol 1, Encl
4, para 1 & 2)
• Could damage to the national security be reasonably expected in the
event of unauthorized disclosure? (DoDM 5200.01, Vol 1, Encl 4, para 3)
• Have the requirements for original classification of Part 1 of E.0.13526 or
for derivative classification in Part 2 of E.O. 13526 been met?
• Have the required markings been applied in accordance with E.O. 13526
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Overall classification level (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para 5)
"Reason for Classification" line (originally classified documents only)
(DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para 3.b.(1)(b) & 3.b.(4))
The Agency, Office or Origin, and Date (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para
7)

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24.

A "Derived From" line (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para 8.c.(1)(b))
A "Classified By" line (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para 8.b.(1)(a) &
8.c.(1)(a))
• identification of the sources of classification (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, End
3, para 8.c.(1)(b), 8.c(2), & 8.c.(3))
• "Declassify On" line (DoDM 5200.01-M,Vol 2, Encl 3, para 8.c.(d))
• Downgrading instructions, if required (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para
8.a.(4))
• Page and Portion Markings (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para 5 & 6)
• Have any unauthorized or invalid markings been applied to documents?
Are Agency personnel who conduct reviews of the agency's original and
derivative classification actions trained on the classification and marking
requirements of E.O. 13526, part 2001 of title 32, CFR, and DoDM 5200.01; and
do they have access to pertinent security classification guides?
Are "subjects" or "titles" of classified documents marked with the
appropriate symbol (TS), (S), (C), or (U) following and to the left of
the title or
subject? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3. Para 6.e.(2) & 14)
Is each section, part, paragraph, or similar portion of a classified document
marked to show the highest level of classification of information it contains,
or that it is unclassified? Portion of text shall be marked with the
appropriate abbreviations (TS, S, C, or U). (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para
6)
Are portions within documents containing Restricted Data and Formerly
Restricted Data marked with the abbreviation "RD" or "FRO" (e.g. S//RD or
TS//FRD)? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 4, para 8.a & 8.b)
Are portions within documents containing foreign government or North
Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) information marked with the foreign
classification or NATO and the appropriate classification level (e.g. //GBR S or
//NATO C)? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 4, para 4)
Is the abbreviation "FOUO" used to designate unclassified portions that
contain information that may be exempt from mandatory release to the
public under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2,
Encl 4, para 10.b & Vol 4, End 3, para 2.c)
Are charts, graphs, photographs, illustrations, figures, and similar items
within classified documents marked to show their classification? (DoDM
5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para 6.a & 18)
Are the markings placed within the chart, graph, photograph, illustration,
figure, etc. or next to the item? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, End 3, para 6.e.(3) &
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Is the highest classification level placed on the top and bottom of each page
containing classified information or marked "unclassified"? (This is called the
"banner line")
• Do the markings stand out from the balance of the information on the
page (must be readily visible)? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para 5)
Are TRANSMITTAL documents properly marked to include either its highest
classification or a notation "Unclassified when separated from classified
enclosures"? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para 15)
For ELECTRONIC documents:
• Are e-mails, blog entries, bulletin board postings, and other electronic
documents marked as finished documents, not working papers? (DoDM
5200.01-M, Vol 2, Enc 3, para 17.a.(2))
• Do e-mails include the appropriate banner line, portion markings, and
classification authority block? Is the subject line portion mark the
classification of the subject, not the overall classification of the e-mail?
(DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2, Encl 3, para 17.b)
• Do classified URLs contain embedded portion marks? (DoDM 5200.01-M,
Vol 2, Encl 3, para 17.d)
• Are briefing slides, including any speaker notes and hidden slides, marked
as required for text documents? (DoD 5200.01-M, Vol 2,Encl 3, para 16)
• Are maps, charts, blueprints, photographs, and other special types of
materials marked in the same fashion as for documents, to the extent
feasible? (DoD 5200.01, Vol 2, Encl 3, para 18)
Are Files, Folders, and Groups of documents clearly marked on the outside of
the file or folder (attaching a classified document cover sheet to the front of
the folder or holder will satisfy this requirement)? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 2,
Encl 2, para 4.a)
Are removable storage media (e.g. magnetic tape reels, disk packs, diskettes,
CD-ROMS, removable hard disks, disk cartridges, tape cassettes, etc.) marked
with the appropriate Standard Form label (SF 706/707/708/710)? (DoDM
5200.01-M,Vol 2, Encl 2, para 4.b)

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30.

31.

Is there a records management system to facilitate public release of
declassified documents?
Are procedures established for automatic, systematic, discretionary, and
mandatory declassification review?

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32.
33.
34.

35.

Is the program designed and maintained to optimize safeguarding of
classified information?
Are there control measures to prevent unauthorized access to classified
information?
Are personnel aware of procedures for identifying, reporting, and
processing unauthorized disclosures of classified information?
Are there procedures to ensure that appropriate management action is
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taken to correct identified problems?
Are there methods for transmitting classified information, preparing it
correctly for mailing, and for hand carrying or escorting classified material?
37.
Is classified information removed from storage kept under constant
surveillance of authorized persons? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 2, para 8)
38.
Are cover sheets placed on all documents removed from storage? (DoDM
5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 2, para 8)
39.
Are end-of-day security checks established for areas that process or store
classified information to ensure the area is secure at the close of each
working day? (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 2, para 9)
40.
Is the SF 701, Activity Security Checklist, used to record end-of-day checks?
(DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 2, para 9)
41.
is the SF 702, Security Container Check Sheet, used to record the closing of
each vault, secure room, or container used for storage of classified material?
(DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 2, para 9)
42.
Is the SF 700, Security Container Information, properly completed and
posted inside the LOCKING drawer of the security container, or inside the
door of vault and similar facilities? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 3, para 10)
43.
Are storage containers (safes) that may have been used to store classified
information inspected by properly cleared personnel before removal from
protected areas or before unauthorized persons are allowed access to them?
(DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 3, para 13)
44•
Are combinations to security containers changed at the required intervals?
(DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 3, para 11.b)
45.
If written records of the combination are maintained, are they marked and
protected at the highest classification of the material stored therein? (DOOM
5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 3, para 11.a)
• Is the combination stored in a security container other than
the one for
which it is being used?
46.
Are entrances to secure rooms or areas under visual control at all times
during duty hours to prevent unauthorized access or equipped with electric,
mechanical or electromechanical access control devices to limit access
during duty hours? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 3, para 12.a)
47.
Does each vault or container bear an external marking for identification
purpose? NOTE: The level of classification stored therein must NOT be
marked on the outside of the container(s). (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 3,
Para 9)
48.
is Top Secret material stored only in a GSA approved security container (safe)
having one of the following supplemental controls: (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 3,
Encl 3, para 3.a)
• Guard or duty personnel cleared to the Secret level inspect the security
container once every two hours
• An Intrusion Detection System (alarm system) meeting requirements of
para 2 of the Appendix to Encl 3 of DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3.
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52.

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3,
54.

Combination lock meeting Federal Specification FF-L-2740 (X0-7) with
security-in-depth
Is Secret material stored in a GSA approved security container (safe) without
supplemental controls or in the same manner as Top Secret? (NOTE:
Approved containers will have a certification label on the container itself)
(DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 3, para 3.b)
Is Confidential material stored in a GSA approved security container? (DoDM
5200.01-M,Vol 3, End 3, para 3.c)
Are security container repairs (e.g. drilled because of a forgotten
combination) done in accordance with FED-STD 809? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3,
Encl 3, para 14)
Is equipment (e.g. copiers, facsimile machines, AIS equipment and
peripherals, electronic typewriters and word processing systems) used for
processing classified information protected from unauthorized access?
(DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 2, para 14.a)
Do appropriately cleared and technically knowledgeable personnel inspect
the equipment and media used for processing classified information before
the equipment is removed from the protected areas? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol
Encl 2, para 14.d)
Are GSA approved field safes and special purpose one and two drawer
lightweight security containers securely fastened to the structure or under
sufficient surveillance to prevent their theft? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 3,
para 6.a)

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SECURITY MO 13526 REQUIREMENTS)
55.

56.

Consistent with section 4.1(f) of E.O. 13526 and section 2001.50 of title 32,
CFR, have uniform procedures been established to ensure that automated
information systems that collect, create, communicate, compute,
disseminate, process or store classified or controlled unclassified
information are protected in accordance with applicable DoD policy
issuances?
Have procedures been established and implemented to:
• Prevent access by unauthorized persons;
• Ensure the integrity of the information;
•
TO the maximum extent practicable, use:
1) Common information technology standards, protocols, and
interfaces that maximize the availability of, and access to, the
information in a form and manner that facilitates its authorized use;
and
2) Standardized electronic formats to maximize the accessibility of
information to persons who meet the criteria set forth in section
4.1(a) of E.O. 13526.

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ITEM

Have procedures been established to ensure that unclassified copiers
connected to the Internet are not used for classified reproduction? (DoDM
5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 7, para 10)
• Are modems, telecommunications capabilities and network
connections disabled on copiers approved for classified
reproductions? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 7, para 10)
• Are classified hard drives removed from classified reproduction
equipment prior to maintenance? (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 7, para
10)
Are cameras and microphones disabled on all hardware used for classified
processing, in classified spaces, or connected to networks in classified
spaces? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 7, para 10)

x

x

x

X

REPRODUCTION OF CLASSIFIED MATERIAL (EO 13526 REQUIREMENTS)
59.

Are procedures established to oversee and control the reproduction of
classified material? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 2, para 5.b )
60. Are personnel, who reproduce classified, aware of the risks
involved with the
specific reproduction equipment and the appropriate countermeasures they
are required to take? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 2, para 5.b.(2))
61.
Are waste products generated during reproduction properly protected and
disposed of? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 2, para 5.b.(6))
62.
Is reproduction equipment specifically designated for the reproduction of
classified material? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 2, para 5.b.(7))
63.
[Optional] Are RULES POSTED on or near the designated equipment
authorized for the reproduction of classified? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 2,
para 15)
64.
[Optional) Are NOTICES prohibiting reproduction of classified POSTED on
equipment used only for the reproduction of unclassified material? (DoDM
5200.01-M, vol 3, Encl 2, para 15)

â–
65.

66.

x
x

x
X
x

x

DISPOSITION AND DESTRUCTION OF CLASSIFIED MATERIAL (EO 13526
REQUIREMENTS)

Has each activity with classified holdings set aside at least one "Clean-Out"
day each year when specific attention and effort is focused on disposition of
unneeded classified material? (DoDM 5200.01-M, VoI3, Encl 3, para 17.b)
Is classified materials properly destroyed by approved methods? (DOOM
5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 3, para 17 &18)

x

x

TRANSMISSION AND TRANSPORTATION OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION (EO 13526
REQUIREMENTS)
67.

Whenever classified information is transmitted outside of the activity is it
enclosed in two opaque sealed envelopes or similar wrappings or containers
durable enough to properly protect the material from accidental exposure
and facilitate detection of tampering? (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 4, para 9)
• NOTE: When classified material is hand-carried outside an activity, a
locked briefcase may serve as the outer wrapper.

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68.

Is the outer wrapper addressed to an official government activity or to a
DOD contractor with a facility clearance and appropriate storage capability
with a complete return address of the sender? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl
4, para 9.a.(1))
69.
Is the inner wrapper or container marked with the following information:
sender's and receiving activity's address and highest classification level of
the contents (including where appropriate, any special markings)? (DoDM
5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 4, para 9.a.(2))
• NOTE: The inner envelope may have an "attention line" with a person's
name.
70.
Are procedures established to limit the hand carrying of classified
information to only when other means of transmission or transportation
cannot be used? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 4, para 11.a)
71.
Are hand-carrying officials briefed on and have they acknowledged their
responsibilities for protecting classified information? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol
3, Encl 4, para 11.c)
72.
Are courier officials provided a written statement authorizing such hand
carrying transmission? (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 4, para 12)
• [Optional] Does the activity list all classified carried or escorted by
traveling personnel? (DoDM 5200.01-M, VoI3, Encl 4, para 11)
• [Optional] Does the activity keep this list until all material reaches the
recipient's activity? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 4, para 11)
73.
When "Confidential" classified information is sent U.S. Postal Service "First
Class" mail between DOD Components within the United States, is the outer
envelope or wrapper endorsed "POSTMASTER: RETURN SERVICE REQUESTED"?
(DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 4, para 5.d 1
74.
Do recipients of First Class mail bearing the "Postmaster" notice protect it as
Confidential material?

x

x

x

x

x
X
x
x

x

SECURITY EDUCATION (E0 13526 REQUIREMENTS)
75.

76.
77.
78.

79.

80.

,

Has the Component Senior Agency Official established a Security Education
program? (DoDM 5200.01-M,Vol 1, Encl 2, para 7.g ) Has the activity security
manager implemented the security education and training program within
the activity? (DoDM 5200.01, Vol 1, Encl 2, para 9.f)
Have all personnel been trained on policies for classification, safeguarding
and declassification?
Do all personnel who perform derivative classification receive training every
2 years? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 5, para 7.c)
All original classification authorities (OCA) must receive training in proper
classification and declassification at least once a calendar year. (DoDM
5200.01-M Volt, Encl 4, para 5.d and Vol 3, Encl 5, para 5)
Does this training program include an "Initial Orientation" for all assigned
personnel who are cleared for access to classified information? (DoDM
5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 5, para 3)
Does this orientation include the: (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 5, para 3)

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x
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•
•

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x
x

x
•
x
x
x
x
x
x
x
x

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x

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SECURITY INCIDENTS AND VIOLATIONS TO INCLUDE COMPROMISES MO 13526
REQUIREMENTS)

88.

Are assigned members trained on of their responsibilities to report security
violations concerning classified information? (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 6,
para 3.b)
89
Are there procedures to conduct an inquiry/investigation of a loss, possible
compromise, or unauthorized disclosure of classified information? (DoDM
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Roles and responsibilities of assigned members and key personnel?
Elements of safeguarding classified information?
Elements of classifying and declassifying information?
81 .
Is additional training provided for members who: (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 3,
End 5, para 4.b & c)
• Are members of deployable organizations, to provide enhanced security
training to meet the needs of the operational environment?
• Will be traveling to foreign countries?
• Will be escorting, hand carrying, or serving as a courier for classified
material?
• Will use automated information systems to store, process, or transmit
classified?
• Will have access to information requiring special control or safeguarding
measures?
• Will be using Foreign Government Information or work in coalition or
bilateral environments?
• Submit information to OCAs for original classification decisions?
82. Is Refresher training provided at least annually to assigned members? (DOOM
5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 5, para 7.a)
83.
Is Refresher training tailored to the mission needs and address policies,
principles and procedures covered in initial training? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3,
End 5, para 7.a)
84. Does Refresher training address concerns identified during
Component SelfInspections? (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 5, para 7.a)
85.
Are procedures established to ensure cleared employees who leave the
organization or whose clearance Is terminated receives a termination
briefing? (DoDM 5200.01-M, Vol 3, End 5, para 9)
86.
Are records maintained to show the names of members who participated in
"Initial" and "Refresher" training? (DoDM 5200.01-M,Vol3, Encl 5, para 11 )
87.
Do training programs for "Uncleared" members include: (DoDM 5200.01-M,
Vol 3, Encl 5, para 3)
• The nature and importance of classified information?
• Actions to take if they discover classified information unprotected?
• The need to report suspected contact with a foreign intelligence
collector?

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90.

91.
92.

National Reconnaissance Office
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ITEM

Are appropriate and prompt corrective actions taken when a violation or
infraction occurs? (DoD 5200.01-M, Vol 3, Encl 6)
Are inquiries and/or investigations promptly conducted to ascertain the facts
surrounding reported incidents? (DoDM 5200.01-M, VoI3, Encl 6, para 6)
Are individuals who commit violations or infractions subject to appropriate
sanctions? (DOOM 5200.01-M, Vol1, Encl 3, para 17 and VoI3, Encl 6, para 8.b &
14)

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NRO Explanation of N/A Responses on 2012 Information Security Program
Self-inspection Checklist
Item
1.

Comment
The DNRO appoints the DOS&CI as responsible for NRO security. The
DOS&CI appoints a
Government Program Security Officer (GPSO) as the head of each
Directorate or Office activity
who implements the provisions of the NRO Security Program. For each
contractor, an NRO
Contractor Program Security Officer (NCPSO) is nominated by the
contractor and approved by
the DOS&CI. The NCPSO is a senior Contractor PSO responsible and
accountable for the
security oversight of all NRO program activities at their company or
corporation.

2.

All security instructions are signed by the DOS&CI

5.

Equivalent training is provided

6.

Security evaluations and self-inspections are centrally managed under
the DOS&CI. The DOS&CI
is informed of the results of such inspections.

7.

Security-related training will be documented in the Personnel Security
File or in a listing of all
personnel who completed the training

9. Yes, in areas where political instability, terrorism, host country
attitude, or criminal activity
suggests the possibility that a SCIF may be overrun by hostile forces.
11. If the security manager has a COOP mission, essential materials
are in place at the alternate
location.
12. The NRO cannot approve OCAs so we cannot delegate OCA responsibilities.
16. The NRO does not use Downgrading markings.
21. NRO personnel do not have the authority to create NATO information.
28. Most SCIFs are open storage and do not require the use of cover sheets.
38. Most SCIFs are open storage and do not require the use of cover sheets.
40. SF 701 may be used or locally designed forms may be used
41. SF 702 may be used or locally designed forms may be used
45. Yes, at the SCI level, except for SAR where the holder does not
have access to the SAR
compartment nor the physical area housing the container.

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Please note: The best way to view the report "Agency Annual
Self-Inspection Program Data: FY 2013" (attached to this
explanation) is in softcopy because several of the expandable
fields have text that is hidden when viewed in hardcopy. The
full text of entries that exceed the viewable space of
expandable fields is included below for ease of reading,
however, only the softcopy form will be submitted to OUSD(I).
3. Enter the name, title, address, phone, fax, and e-mail address
of the Senior Agency Official (SAO) (as defined in E.O. 13526,
section 5.4(d)) responsible for this report.
Mr. Frank Calvelli
Principal Deputy Director, NRO
Room
14675 Lee Road, Chantilly, VA 20151
(b)(3) 10 USC 424

FAX

(b)(3) 10 USC 424

(b)(3) 10 USC 424

13. What means and methods are employed in conducting self inspections?
(For example: interviews, surveys, data calls, checklists, analysis, etc.)
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NRO self-inspections are part of the NRO ISAP. Because
of the total NRO workforce and have the
contractors make up
overwhelming number of Sensitive Compartmented Information
Facilities (SCIFs), ISAP is a collaborative process between
Government and industry to identify and address security
vulnerabilities, provide data for analysis, and identify system
security issues and trends. Site personnel conduct/document
security self-assessments, per requirements stated in the NRO
Security Manual (NSM) at least annually. The ISAP Manager or
designee reviews the site assessments and enters a copy into an
NRO database listing each NRO sponsored facility. Based on the
self-assessments, the ISAP Manager, Program Security Officers
(PSOs) and stakeholders discuss findings and formulate
recommendations for a formal assessment, if required. OS&CI
stakeholders represent the major OS&CI directorates and program
office security staffs, including, but not limited to, PSOs,
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Physical/Technical Certification Officers and Security
Certification Officers. Stakeholders develop and provide ISAP
candidates to the ISAP Selection Board. Each ISAP
recommendation shall contain detailed factors used to formulate
the recommendation. Recommendation for site visits is then
provided to the selection board. Sites are selected based on
risk, proximity, resources, budgetary constraints, time since
last assessment, and random sampling. A team composition is
proposed for each site visit and a Lead PSO is selected. The
Assessment Team will, at a minimum, consist of a Government PSO
and an OS&Cl/Facilities and Information Security Division
(F&ISD) representative. Additional team members will be added
as needed based on site size, mission, facility risk, and
subject areas being assessed. After the on-site assessment, an
out-briefing is provided to site security staff and other site
senior management identifying security program successes,
observations, and any security "best practices" discovered
during the formal assessment. The results are loaded into the
facility database that contains information from all previous
visits with any problem areas or "best practices" noted. A
final report requiring corrective actions to be taken within 90
days of the date of the report is issued by the D/OS&CI. The
assessed site is required to provide follow-up reports of
corrective action to the responsible PSO and the ISAP Manager
every 90 days until all corrective actions are complete. The
responsible PSO monitors all mitigation actions. Reports of
corrective action are loaded into the NRO facilities database
for historical purposes. For the reporting period, 291 selfassessments
were received and 10 formal team assessments were
performed. No additional formal specific-issue reviews were
conducted. There were an additional 742 visits by OS&CI
stakeholders to contractor SCIFs. In addition, a data call was
conducted with all PSOs and CMOs in NRO Headquarters to answer
items 87 and 88.
20. Describe below how the agency identifies activities and
offices whose documents are to be included in the sample of
classification actions. (Indicate if NA.)
Based on the 291 site self-assessments submitted, the ISAP
Manager, Program Security Officers (PSOs) and stakeholders
discuss findings and formulate recommendations for a formal
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assessment, if required. OS&CI stakeholders represent the major
OS&CI directorates and program office security staffs,
including, but not limited to, PSOs, Physical/Technical
Certification Officers and Security Certification Officers.
Stakeholders develop and provide ISAP candidates to the ISAP
Selection Board. Each ISAP recommendation shall contain
detailed factors used to formulate the recommendation.
Recommendation for site visits is then provided to the selection
board. Sites are selected based on risk, proximity, resources,
budgetary constraints, time since last assessment, and random
sampling. A team composition is proposed for each site visit
and a Lead PSO is selected.
Additionally, several types of documents at NRO headquarters are
reviewed annually by CMOs and PSOs for proper classification and
marking. A data call was conducted with all PSOs and CMOs in
NRO Headquarters to answer items 87 and 88.
22. How do you ensure that the materials reviewed provide a
representative sample of the agency's classified information?
(Indicate if NA.)
Documents are selected for review in cooperation with site
personnel who are familiar with the type of materials produced
by the site. However, contractors are not required to count
classified pages produced because of the additional costs that
would be incurred by the NRO, so the documents reviewed may not
be a representative sample. The data call conducted with NRO
Headquarters PSOs and CMOs for item 87 and 88 represents all
documents they reviewed during FY 2013.
31. How is the self-inspection program structured to assess
individual agency activities and the agency as a whole?
Contractor SCIF locations far outnumber government SCIF
locations in the NRO. Government locations are relatively few
in number and have professional government security officers
assigned who can monitor safeguarding and classified information
production and correct errors as they occur. We chose to
concentrate on contractor facilities which are visited
relatively infrequently. The conditions at contractor locations
are not directly applicable to government locations.

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35. What is the format for documenting self-inspections in your
agency?
Self-assessments are documented using the self-assessment review
tool in the NSM, Appendix B. For formal assessments, an outbriefing is
provided to site security staff and other site
senior management identifying security program successes,
observations, and any security "best practices" discovered
during the formal assessment. The results are then loaded into
the facility database that contains information from all
previous visits with any problem areas or "best practices"
noted. A final report requiring corrective actions to be taken
within 90 days of the date of report is issued by the D/OS&CI.
The assessed site is required to provide follow-up reports of
corrective action to the responsible PSO and the ISAP Manager
every 90 days until all corrective actions are complete. The
responsible PSO monitors all mitigation actions. Reports of
corrective action are loaded into the NRO facilities database
for historical purposes.
47. Safeguarding:
Regular conduct of exercises provides vital feedback to the
physical security program. Exercises identify areas for
corrective measures, enhancements, validate current tactics,
techniques and procedures (TTP) and the adoption/employment of
new TTP to meet a dynamic threat environment. Regular
inspections/audits are essential to ensuring status and validity
of issued IC badges and conformity to physical security
requirements. Risk assessments/physical security assessments
provide a helpful "outside" perspective to site security
offices. NRO government and contractor personnel work in SCIFs
equipped with secure telephones, FAX, and teleconferencing
equipment, badges and badge readers, guard forces in several
locations, document shredders and other features to ensure
compromises of classified information do not occur. While the
insider threat is always a possibility, we take every precaution
to prevent security incidents from occurring. The NRO applies
uniform procedures established by the Intelligence Community
Directive (ICD)-503 family of policy and guidance for
Information Technology Systems Security Risk Management and
Assessment and Authorization (A&A) activities.
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48. Security Violations:
The ISAP program is the formal mechanism by which we corroborate
self - inspections. Included in these formal reviews is an
assessment of the respective security violation program and
trends. In addition, each component Security team evaluates
Security incidents and violations by tracking them according to
general broad categories. During this past FY, the majority
(63%) of incidents/violations were related to categories within
personnel electronic devices in SCIFs. Other categories that
have multiple occurrences indicating potential trends are data
spills (9%) and inadvertent removal of classified information
(12%). Personal cell phones and prohibited electronic devices
are not allowed in SCIFs. While we have installed lockers
outside SCIFs to secure cell phones, entry of prohibited
electronic devices into SCIFs is still a problem. Visitor
attendance to NRO conferences/facilities result in numerous cell
phones being brought into the conference even by individuals
with security duties who should know better.
49. Security Education and Training:
100% of personnel assigned to the NRO are required to complete
an SCI indoctrination briefing to include signing a NonDisclosure
Agreement. E.O. 13526 is called out specifically so
that personnel fully understand their responsibilities and
requirements to protect classified information. This message is
repeated by the release of awareness videos and reminders
throughout the year; to include presentations, written
materials, and training. Specifically, OS&CI incorporates
classification management questions within the Annual Security
Refresher (ASR) web-based training (WBT). In 2014 ASR will
include additional Derivative Classification questions. With as
many contractors as the NRO employs, training can be a major
expense. Every contractor and government employee with a secure
computer account is required to take the Annual Security
Refresher training otherwise they lose their computer
connection. There are numerous additional courses and
specialized security training available on-line even though
sequestration has reduced training manpower overall to include
elimination of the Information Management Branch which ran the
OS&CI web site and security-specific applications.
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50. Management and Oversight:
Government oversight of NRO-sponsored SCIFs is achieved in a
multi-faceted manner. Program Security Officers,
Physical/Technical, and Computer Security Officers review
selfassessment results and participate in on-site reviews. Some
program findings for FY 13 were identified in the following
areas:
• Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) require more detail and
more frequent revision to stay up-to-date with security
requirements.
• Foreign travel and contact reporting were not always
accomplished using the mandated NRO Counterintelligence Network
(CINet).
• There are undocumented information systems within facilities.
• Not all employees with AIS privileged user type access have
been identified and tracked.
• Facility alarm test records are not always maintained for the
required time period.
• Red/Black cabling is not labeled for identification.
54. Safeguarding:
Awareness and education programs are vital to ensuring the
workforce maintains awareness of security policy and procedures.
Regular and aperiodic exercises, inspections, and audits provide
crucial inputs that are indispensable to ensuring that the
physical security program is current and effective. Key
challenges are maintaining adequate funding to replace aging,
malfunctioning, and obsolete security equipment and training and
education for new personnel. The NRO has an organization-level
process for the Assessment and Authorization (A&A) of
Information Systems and a Directive 51-1, "Information
Technology, Information Assurance, and Information Management
Architecture and Strategy for Certification and Accreditation"
to ensure automated information systems that collect, create,
communicate, compute, disseminate, process or store classified
information are protected in accordance with applicable national
policy issuances.
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55. Security Violations:
The NSM details the NRO process for reporting and investigating
security incidents, infractions and violations. Appropriate and
prompt corrective actions were taken to.mitigate the severity of
the infraction/violation, and to sanction the offender via
management, counterintelligence, and personnel security
processes. Infractions and violations are centrally tracked in
the Security Log (the NRO incident/violation database). This
database is managed by the Program Security Officers in each
directorate and office, and enables the PSO to automatically
notify Counterintelligence Division and Personnel Security
Division, via a system generated e-mail, of
infractions/violations that require immediate CI and/or
personnel security attention. The database also enables both
OS&CI management as well as individual PSOs to track and analyze
trends linked to the various categories of security
infractions/violations.
56. Security Education and Training:
OS&CI works closely with PSOs, Counterintelligence personnel,
and the Integrated Self Assessment Program to determine any
trends or specific areas that need an additional educational
awareness campaign. Security communications are then targeted,
utilizing large scale efforts, per a topic area and audience for
best impact results. The NRO is adding additional
classification management questions to the Annual Security
Refresher to better satisfy the derivative classification
training requirement. OCAs complete yearly training provided by
NRO/OS&Cl/Policy Branch with direct knowledge of current CAPCO
guidelines.
57. Management and Oversight:
The NRO has a very mature Security management and oversight
program. Over the past FY, much greater emphasis has been
placed on ensuring all sites and facilities accomplished the
self-assessments and submited the findings to the Government
within the mandated time requirements. This improved management
oversight has made an impact. Our self-inspection program
coupled with security officer visits, and formal team
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assessments provide managers a report card on the health of our
security programs. When negative trends are identified,
managers from across industry and the Government develop
corrective action plans to reverse the trends and ensure
security requirements are met. Impacts are being felt to
overall security programs due to reductions in security
resources. While security requirements are increasing,
especially in the area of information systems management,
resources are being reduced. Additionally, some sites assessed
have made decisions not to fully comply with a security
requirement because of resource constraints.

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http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/II/PKIMisFit.html


Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact Ill-Fitted to the Needs of the
Information Society

Abstract

It has been conventional wisdom that, for e-commerce to fulfill its
potential, each party to a transaction must be confident in the identity of
the others. Digital signature technology, based on public key cryptography,
has been claimed as the means whereby this can be achieved. Digital
signatures do little, however, unless a substantial infrastructure is in
place to provide a basis for believing that the signature means something
of significance to the relying party.

Conventional, hierarchical PKI, built around the ISO standard X.509, has
been, and will continue to be, a substantial failure. This paper examines
that form of PKI architecture, and concludes that it is a very poor fit to
the real needs of cyberspace participants. The reasons are its inherently
hierarchical and authoritarian nature, the unreasonable presumptions it
makes about the security of private keys, a range of other technical
defects, confusions about what it is that a certificate actually
authenticates, and its inherent privacy-invasiveness. Alternatives are
identified.
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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
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[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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			SCO Security Advisory

Subject:		OpenLinux: Key validity bug in GnuPG 1.2.1 and earlier
Advisory number: 	CSSA-2003-034.0
Issue date: 		2003 November 17
Cross reference:	sr883602 fz528211 erg712405 CAN-2003-0255
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1. Problem Description

	As part of the development of GnuPG 1.2.2, a bug was
	discovered in the key validation code. This bug causes keys
	with more than one user ID to give all user IDs on the key
	the amount of validity given to the most-valid key.

	CAN-2003-0255 The key validation code in GnuPG before 1.2.2
	does not properly determine the validity of keys with
	multiple user IDs and assigns the greatest validity of the
	most valid user ID, which prevents GnuPG from warning the
	encrypting user when a user ID does not have a trusted path.

	The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) project has
	assigned the name CAN-2003-0255 to this issue. This is a
	candidate for inclusion in the CVE list (http://cve.mitre.org),
	which standardizes names for security problems.


2. Vulnerable Supported Versions

	System				Package
	----------------------------------------------------------------------
	OpenLinux 3.1.1 Server		prior to gnupg-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm
	OpenLinux 3.1.1 Workstation	prior to gnupg-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm


3. Solution

	The proper solution is to install the latest packages. Many
	customers find it easier to use the Caldera System Updater, called
	cupdate (or kcupdate under the KDE environment), to update these
	packages rather than downloading and installing them by hand.


4. OpenLinux 3.1.1 Server

	4.1 Package Location

	ftp://ftp.sco.com/pub/updates/OpenLinux/3.1.1/Server/CSSA-2003-034.0/RPMS

	4.2 Packages

	d6da27be5c407641dc29f753d96e41fc	gnupg-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm

	4.3 Installation

	rpm -Fvh gnupg-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm

	4.4 Source Package Location

	ftp://ftp.sco.com/pub/updates/OpenLinux/3.1.1/Server/CSSA-2003-034.0/SRPMS

	4.5 Source Packages

	b1ab55790186abd7997af751b3032721	gnupg-1.2.2-1.src.rpm


5. OpenLinux 3.1.1 Workstation

	5.1 Package Location

	ftp://ftp.sco.com/pub/updates/OpenLinux/3.1.1/Workstation/CSSA-2003-034.0/RPMS

	5.2 Packages

	5469dcefe0be50d4d99d4b925a58d453	gnupg-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm

	5.3 Installation

	rpm -Fvh gnupg-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm

	5.4 Source Package Location

	ftp://ftp.sco.com/pub/updates/OpenLinux/3.1.1/Workstation/CSSA-2003-034.0/SRPMS

	5.5 Source Packages

	be6338d319f84f139e8363f64bc6673a	gnupg-1.2.2-1.src.rpm


6. References

	Specific references for this advisory:
		http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2003-0255


	SCO security resources:
		http://www.sco.com/support/security/index.html

	This security fix closes SCO incidents sr883602 fz528211
	erg712405.


7. Disclaimer

	SCO is not responsible for the misuse of any of the information
	we provide on this website and/or through our security
	advisories. Our advisories are a service to our customers intended
	to promote secure installation and use of SCO products.


8. Acknowledgements

	SCO would like to thank The GnuPG Team (David, Stefan, Timo and Werner)

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From jdb10987 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: jdb10987 at yahoo.com (jim bell)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.90.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

mail.com>; "akosba at cs.umd.edu" <akosba at cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cypherpunk=
s at cpunks.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM
Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts

Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting at gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba at cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell





  
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span=
 id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D=
"https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&amp;rct=3Dj&amp;q=3D&amp;esrc=3Ds&amp;so=
urce=3Dweb&amp;cd=3D3&amp;cad=3Drja&amp;uact=3D8&amp;ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwi=
F_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&amp;url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-conte=
nt%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&amp;usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmH=
TOY53sGdRs5Sw&amp;sig2=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&amp;bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cG=
U" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8900">https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt=
&amp;rct=3Dj&amp;q=3D&amp;esrc=3Ds&amp;source=3Dweb&amp;cd=3D3&amp;cad=3Drj=
a&amp;uact=3D8&amp;ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&amp;url=
=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpubli=
c_gyges.pdf&amp;usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&amp;sig2=3DL_lh-zC=
i016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&amp;bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442=
825109502_8941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels,&nbsp;</span></div><div=
 id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5057">Once you read my essay, I think you will understand my concer=
n about the motivation for your research, and its potential consequences. &=
nbsp; Superficially, and certainly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assa=
ssination Politics essay), &nbsp;I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed benef=
icial to try to prevent the construction and operation of "criminal contrac=
ts". &nbsp; One problem that I see, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "cri=
minal" may mean no more than "what the government wants to ban" rather than=
 an actual victim crime. &nbsp;Worse, governments are powerfully motivated =
to prevent developments that will someday likely destroy them.</span></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_5503" class=3D"">I suggest that you study the analyses of Bob =
Vroman &nbsp;<a href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.t=
cl?msg_id=3D009ape" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754">http://www.green=
spun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape</a>&nbsp; &nbsp; , &n=
bsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated at min=
der.net/msg02068.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269">http://www.ma=
il-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated at minder.net/msg02068.html</a> &nbsp; &n=
bsp; and &nbsp;of Bob Murphy, &nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: small;=
 font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_5851" class=3D"">www.anti-state.</span><wbr style=3D"font-s=
ize: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5853" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: small=
; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1442825109502_5855" class=3D"">com/murphy/</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 2=
0.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" class=3D"">murphy17</span=
><span style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-heig=
ht: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5859" class=3D"">.</span><=
span style=3D"font-size: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans=
-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" cla=
ss=3D"">html</span>&nbsp; &nbsp;(although the Murphy essay might not be ava=
ilable, except as an archive.) &nbsp;as well as by R. &nbsp;Sukumaran &nbsp=
;&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAss=
assinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5597" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" cl=
ass=3D"">http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinatio=
nandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>.&nbsp;</div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr">Further, consider<br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://github.com=
/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchism/game-theory-=
anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_6139">https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/ma=
ster/content/anarchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-t=
he-state.md</a></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=
=3D"https://c4ss.org/content/1157" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6418">h=
ttps://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_5058"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><a href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6562=
" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com<=
/a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.red=
dit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrec=
tionist_ancapism/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6678">https://www.reddi=
t.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrecti=
onist_ancapism/</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr">There is=
 a lot more where this comes from.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_65=
95" dir=3D"ltr">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, technologies s=
uch as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply did not exist=
. But today they do, or at least they soon will. &nbsp;And that, I consider=
 to be an extremely good thing.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=
=3D"ltr">So perhaps you will understand that I consider that trying to prev=
ent _all_ "criminal contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dan=
gerous mistake. &nbsp;While I do not believe that such an effort can ever s=
ucceed, I think it would be best not to try.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595" dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Jim Bell</div><div=
 id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6738"><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, He=
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"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <hr size=3D"1" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
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09502_4964"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6554">From:</span></b> Ari J=
uels &lt;juels at cornell.edu&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell &lt;jdb10987 at yahoo.com&gt; <br><b><span style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting at gmail.com" &lt;runting at gmail.com&gt=
;; "akosba at cs.umd.edu" &lt;akosba at cs.umd.edu&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br>=
 <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5054">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your pape=
r on criminal contracts<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4965"><br><div id=3D"yiv5844945283"><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4968">
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4966">Dear Mr. Bell,</div>
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</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your original not=
e and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your essay and cite =
it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come out in January=
).</div>
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From RebeccaWolf-rebeccawolf at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: RebeccaWolf-rebeccawolf at hotmail.com (RebeccaWolf-rebeccawolf at hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: How can I get a response to my advertising?
Message-ID: <mailman.91.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

I have sent out over 15 million ads, using every free ad page on
the net and not got a single answer. Please tell me what's wrong.

They are looking like this:
1  Upgrade you life with SMALLBIZFFA for only 37 dollars
ones!       (then the website address)

2 For only 5 dollars invest, you can now Bulkmail for free
(then the website address)

rebeccawolf at hotmail.com


ANSWERS:


From BobBilton-bobbilton at paradise.net.nz  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: BobBilton-bobbilton at paradise.net.nz (BobBilton-bobbilton at paradise.net.nz)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Conflicts w/ software can cause problems
Message-ID: <mailman.92.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From: Steve Black   - webworker at grapemail.net
>Subject:  ScanDisk and Defrag aren't working. What do I do?
>
>I am having a problem running maintainence on my computer.
>ScanDisk and Defrag seem to keep running over and over
>without any results. Also, my clock kicks back an hour ever
>once in a while for no apparrent reason.  Has anyone else
>ever ran into these problems?  Any suggestions?

Hello Steve,

Take heart, you are not alone... sometimes conflicts can arise
due to the programs you have installed on your computer.  I
had the exact same problem with the time displayed on my taskbar.
I was running Windows 98 and Norton AntiVirus 2000.  I
downloaded a fix and I've been cured - this was over a year
ago.  From memory, it was from the Symantec Norton AntiVirus
site (see second URL below).

There are a couple of things you can try:

Windows Clock on Taskbar and in Date/Time Tool Loses Time
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q189/7/06.ASP

System clock loses time when using Norton AntiVirus 2000
(cut & paste the link on one line)
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/df0a595864594c86852567ac0063608c/
0473528ab04a4365882567fd00760e7c?OpenDocument

I have also come across defrag starting over and over again in
a never-ending cycle with the message:

"Drive's contents changed; restarting..."

ScanDisk and Defrag require that the hard disk not be
accessed while they are running.  Every time the hard disk
is accessed, these programs will be restarted.  To stop the
hard disk being accessed, make sure all programs and
background processes are closed.  You can do this by
accessing the Task Manager (Ctr+Alt+Del) and selecting
each item, then clicking on End Task.   NOTE: Make sure
you let Explorer (in the Task Manager) continue running.
Also disable your screen saver and unplug USB devices.
Then, run ScanDisk and Defrag.  This is for people with
serious ScanDisk and Defrag difficulties.

For me, it was not necessary to take such drastic action.
By disabling screen saver, both processes were completed
without a hitch.

There is a good explanation on the workings of ScanDisk
and Defrag and a step-by-step guide on how to stop going
around in ever decreasing circles!  Go to:
http://windows.about.com/library/weekly/aa071300b.htm

Hope this solves your dilemma, Steve.

Regards,

Bob Bilton
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Retire with a residual income! Sign up at first:
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From DavidBridgewater-ndc at ndcks.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: DavidBridgewater-ndc at ndcks.com (DavidBridgewater-ndc at ndcks.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: You can hide the query string
Message-ID: <mailman.93.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From: LBailey   - lbailey at softwarescene.com
>Subject: Any help with Cold Fusion?  (Issue #428)
>
>One of the web sites I administer was developed with
>Cold Fusion 4.0.  I need to know how to code the index.cfm
>pages, so that the long path name does not display in the
>browser's address box.  I often have links from advertisers
>to this site that are long and ugly.

For the answer of ugly links on urls of your advertisers. You
can hide the query string on these urls but not the directory
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Comments on Site #130:
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LauriGal47 at aol.com
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This site was like a 'favorites' page, so I have suggestions
to improve or add to the site. But, I also could not figure
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At the top of the page is said "Flame's Hearth II" which
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Kind of a neat page of freebies.  Not too cluttered. Liked it.
~~~~

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Seems obvious that Lauri is very new at this and is using a
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If your web-builder allows you variety in color, fonts, adding
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~~~~

I liked the layout of the site - it was easy to read
but it wasn't very inviting.  I think it needs more
colours and perhaps some graphics or even small
promotional banners down the right side.
~~~~

This looks like a first attempt for someone building a web
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are a million sites that do this. An introduction or personal
comments about each product or link would be helpful
and set this site apart.

The colors are easy to view, the layout clean and easy to
scroll through, but this site doesn't have any personality.
~~~~

Nice simple design, soft colors. To make this site seem
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<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - ScanDisk and Defrag aren't working. What
do I do?
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; B. Bilton:
Conflicts w/ software can cause problems
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Any help with Cold Fusion?
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You can hide the query string
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<br>Subject:&nbsp; How can I get a response to my advertising?
<p>I have sent out over 15 million ads, using every free ad page on
<br>the net and not got a single answer. Please tell me what's wrong.
<p>They are looking like this:
<br>1&nbsp; Upgrade you life with SMALLBIZFFA for only 37 dollars
<br>ones!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (then the website address)
<p>2 For only 5 dollars invest, you can now Bulkmail for free
<br>(then the website address)
<p>rebeccawolf at hotmail.com
<br>&nbsp;
<p><b>ANSWERS:</b>
<p>From:&nbsp; Bob Bilton&nbsp; - bobbilton at paradise.net.nz
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Conflicts w/ software can cause problems
<p>>From: Steve Black&nbsp;&nbsp; - webworker at grapemail.net
<br>>Subject:&nbsp; ScanDisk and Defrag aren't working. What do I do?
<br>>
<br>>I am having a problem running maintainence on my computer.
<br>>ScanDisk and Defrag seem to keep running over and over
<br>>without any results. Also, my clock kicks back an hour ever
<br>>once in a while for no apparrent reason.&nbsp; Has anyone else
<br>>ever ran into these problems?&nbsp; Any suggestions?
<p>Hello Steve,
<p>Take heart, you are not alone... sometimes conflicts can arise
<br>due to the programs you have installed on your computer.&nbsp; I
<br>had the exact same problem with the time displayed on my taskbar.
<br>I was running Windows 98 and Norton AntiVirus 2000.&nbsp; I
<br>downloaded a fix and I've been cured - this was over a year
<br>ago.&nbsp; From memory, it was from the Symantec Norton AntiVirus
<br>site (see second URL below).
<p>There are a couple of things you can try:
<p>Windows Clock on Taskbar and in Date/Time Tool Loses Time
<br><a href="http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q189/7/06.ASP">http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q189/7/06.ASP</a>
<p>System clock loses time when using Norton AntiVirus 2000
<br>(cut &amp; paste the link on one line)
<br><a href="http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/df0a595864594c86852567ac0063608c/0473528ab04a4365882567fd00760e7c?OpenDocument">http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/df0a595864594c86852567ac0063608c/</a>
<br><a href="http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/df0a595864594c86852567ac0063608c/0473528ab04a4365882567fd00760e7c?OpenDocument">0473528ab04a4365882567fd00760e7c?OpenDocument</a>
<p>I have also come across defrag starting over and over again in
<br>a never-ending cycle with the message:
<p>"Drive's contents changed; restarting..."
<p>ScanDisk and Defrag require that the hard disk not be
<br>accessed while they are running.&nbsp; Every time the hard disk
<br>is accessed, these programs will be restarted.&nbsp; To stop the
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<p>For me, it was not necessary to take such drastic action.
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<p>There is a good explanation on the workings of ScanDisk
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<br>LauriGal47 at aol.com
<br>~~~~
<p>This site was like a 'favorites' page, so I have suggestions
<br>to improve or add to the site. But, I also could not figure
<br>out the focus of this site, so keep that in mind while
<br>reading my suggestions.
<p>At the top of the page is said "Flame's Hearth II" which
<br>leaves me to assume there is a page "I" - if so, link to it.
<br>There was no introduction, explaining what I would get
<br>out of scrolling down through the site, so in effect, no
<br>reason for me to see more than what I could in the first
<br>screen area.
<p>There was a lot of blank space between the categories,
<br>which makes the page seem longer. And explanations
<br>by the links telling me why those were your favorite
<br>pages, or what links were brand new would have been
<br>helpful.&nbsp; Maybe date the free sample links.
<br>~~~~
<p>Kind of a neat page of freebies.&nbsp; Not too cluttered. Liked it.
<br>~~~~
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<p>Seems obvious that Lauri is very new at this and is using a
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<br>behind the ears myself and need the cookie cutters, too.
<p>If your web-builder allows you variety in color, fonts, adding
<br>pictures etc, play around and bring excitement into this site.
<br>I am not really sure what you expect the results to be for your
<br>site? Purpose? for example: I have this site to share free stuff
<br>as a means to get visitors so I can then offer other stuff
<br>which I am selling.
<p>If that is the case, instead of&nbsp; leading with your favorite
<br>sites (which are not all that exciting either), why not do a site
<br>which gets traffic because your main emphasis is on the FREE
<br>stuff?&nbsp; Or on what ever your site's purpose is.
<p>Your website address is pretty iffy. You could benefit from
<br>a domain name here.
<p>Lauri, I am not putting you down, I congratulate you for
<br>taking the step. That is how we learn. Just play with it, look
<br>for tools, ask others how they do it, etc., and over time you'll
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<br>site, artwork and all. I hope this helps you.
<br>~~~~
<p>I liked the layout of the site - it was easy to read
<br>but it wasn't very inviting.&nbsp; I think it needs more
<br>colours and perhaps some graphics or even small
<br>promotional banners down the right side.
<br>~~~~
<p>This looks like a first attempt for someone building a web
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<br>and specific keywords, contact information, and some
<br>wording that shows personality or uniqueness.
<p>The links are good links, and specializing in finding free
<br>products to order off the internet is a good idea, but there
<br>are a million sites that do this. An introduction or personal
<br>comments about each product or link would be helpful
<br>and set this site apart.
<p>The colors are easy to view, the layout clean and easy to
<br>scroll through, but this site doesn't have any personality.
<br>~~~~
<p>Nice simple design, soft colors. To make this site seem
<br>bigger and not just a one page site, maybe create a separate
<br>page for each category, and add a one line description
<br>after each link.
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Date: �., 26 �.�. 2544 10:49:57
Subject: Fwd: Become a Virtual 24-7 Master Recruiter
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           I  N   T   R   O   D   U   C   I   N   G

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_________ In this new Millennium, MLM _________
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The NEW Formula is meant as a Front End Program to
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MLM.
____________________________________________
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____________________________________________

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           I  N   T   R   O   D   U   C   I   N   G

MLMDynamite's PRE LAUNCH - SUMMER 2001 -
Ultimate Recruitment Solutions...

_________ In this new Millennium, MLM _________
                              will no longer be
                          the exclusive preserve
                             of entrepreneurial
                                  mavericks.
-Richard Poe's Wave4-

Hi there,

The secret is out!

Here's the mail we've all been waiting for! Read carefully
and take immediate action on it!

I've discovered an amazing formula that will give your
MLM an enormous enrollers explosion. You'll benefit
hugely if you use it with YOUR primary MLM!

-THE ULTIMATE RECRUITMENT FORMULA-

So if you are already in MLM or about to get into one
this will be the most important mail you will ever read.

Right now I know people who enroll dozens in their
downlines WEEKLY using the formula I'm about to
reveal.

Fred Stege, Founder of MLMDynamite, Inc enrolled
127 people within 7 day's after launching! One of his
enrollees from this batch has become top recruiter in
his company within 90 days after using this incredible
easy-to-use concept.

The NEW Formula is meant as a Front End Program to
enhance "YOUR" MLM. I'm NOT pitching you in any
MLM.
____________________________________________
In fact you may try it for absolutely FREE and you'll
get an electrifying stack of tools straight away!
____________________________________________

We've discovered that the majority of Qualified MLM
Leads (Prospects) all have 1 thing in common...

They all are looking for 3 things they desperately want
and can't get in any one 100% generic System...

I just know that you'll agree with these 3 things and
they are all to your advantage!

Let me reveal you the 3 most sought after topics first:

· Cutting Edge MLM Information.
· A Legitimate Proven Formula.
· Pre Qualified Leads. (And how to get them for FREE)

Isn't that what everybody is looking for?..
Will these topics ever go out of style?..
Doesn't THAT Attract the Masses?..

Does 'OLD SCHOOL MLM' attract the masses?..

Discover "How you can EARN RESIDUAL INCOME
While Recruiting on Auto Pilot whether they join your
MLM or not!"

Welcome to 21st Century Massive Recruitment.

I encourage you to check the details and sign up
immediately. That means NOW! Copy and paste this mail
with Your email address after sign up and bring it to your
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Sincerely,


Click here mailto:clari277 at yahoo.com?subject=FREE_REPORT
P.S.


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It will Create a Huge, Electrifying Surge in Your Cash Flow.

P.P.P.S.
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18.00.43 +0100
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From bollow-bollow at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bollow-bollow at earthlink.net (bollow-bollow at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Can I work on a website from 2 computers w/ the same server?
Message-ID: <mailman.94.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hi, 

I have two computers, an old Windows 3.1  and new 
Windows 98. (Both use Earthlink.) I built my website on 
W3.1 with Navigator Gold (without HTML)-- what you see is 
what you get and like working from there. 

However in bringing up website on W98-- spacing is dif.  I 
would like to put the Navigator Gold onto W98 and work on 
the Website from there-- could download more pix etc. and 
other machine is getting creaky. (Still not sure about 
accessing the FTP from W98.)  

Any problems you foresee-- or is it possible to work on the 
website from TWO computers with same server?

Thanks for any helpful information.  

Ludmilla Bollow  -  bollow at earthlink.net
    http://home.earthlink.net/~bollow/
"I've always depended on the kindness of strangers..."



ANSWERS:


From ParadigmWebDesign-ed at lakesplus.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: ParadigmWebDesign-ed at lakesplus.com (ParadigmWebDesign-ed at lakesplus.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Two different ways to protect your images
Message-ID: <mailman.95.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From:  Peggy Halverson   - pegnorth at northernnet.com
>Subject:  Can images be coded so they cannot be downloaded?
>
>I am ready to post a website live that has a famous picture on it.
>My client is wondering if it can be coded so that the images
>cannot be downloaded or copied from the website.
>Would you know what coding to use to do this?

Peggy,
 
There are two things you can do to protect your images. 
I would utilize both.
 
The first way is to disable the right-click function with 
JavaScript. Put the following code into the HEAD of your 
HTML document. You can customize the alert message 
to say whatever you want.
 
NOTE:  To have this show up correctly in the Exchange, 
the [ and ] were used instead of < and >
Replace all '[' signs with the '<' and all ']' with the '>' sign.

[script language="javascript"]

function click() {
if (event.button==2) {
alert('You are not authorized to right click this page! All images and source code are copyright 2001
}
}
document.onmousedown=click
[/script]

The other way is to create a 1x1 pixel transparent gif and
use it over the top of your graphic by making your graphic
the background of a TABLE. Like this.

[TABLE BACKGROUND="your_graphic.jpg"
BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0"]

[TR][TD][IMG SRC="1by1transparent.gif"  WIDTH="270" HEIGHT="370"]
[/TD][/TR][/TABLE]
 
ReG at rds,
 
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From stuart.reid-stuart.reid at ntlworld.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: stuart.reid-stuart.reid at ntlworld.com (stuart.reid-stuart.reid at ntlworld.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Thanks for suggestions!
Message-ID: <mailman.96.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Just a quick note to thank everyone who wrote with 
suggestions for my site http://www.essjayar.co.uk/

I'll try varying the background with a view to removing 
or moving the blue-wave and try to get people to return 
to the pages I want them too.
 
Thanks for your input!
 
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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp; ANSWERS:
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Can images be coded so they cannot be downloaded?
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ed: Two
different ways to protect your images
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<p>From:&nbsp; bollow&nbsp;&nbsp; - bollow at earthlink.net
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Can I work on a website from 2 computers w/ the same
server?
<p>Hi,
<p>I have two computers, an old Windows 3.1&nbsp; and new
<br>Windows 98. (Both use Earthlink.) I built my website on
<br>W3.1 with Navigator Gold (without HTML)-- what you see is
<br>what you get and like working from there.
<p>However in bringing up website on W98-- spacing is dif.&nbsp; I
<br>would like to put the Navigator Gold onto W98 and work on
<br>the Website from there-- could download more pix etc. and
<br>other machine is getting creaky. (Still not sure about
<br>accessing the FTP from W98.)
<p>Any problems you foresee-- or is it possible to work on the
<br>website from TWO computers with same server?
<p>Thanks for any helpful information.
<p>Ludmilla Bollow&nbsp; -&nbsp; bollow at earthlink.net
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~bollow/">http://home.earthlink.net/~bollow/</a>
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<p><b>ANSWERS:</b>
<p>From:&nbsp; Paradigm Web Design&nbsp;&nbsp; - ed at lakesplus.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Two different ways to protect your images
<p>>From:&nbsp; Peggy Halverson&nbsp;&nbsp; - pegnorth at northernnet.com
<br>>Subject:&nbsp; Can images be coded so they cannot be downloaded?
<br>>
<br>>I am ready to post a website live that has a famous picture on it.
<br>>My client is wondering if it can be coded so that the images
<br>>cannot be downloaded or copied from the website.
<br>>Would you know what coding to use to do this?
<p>Peggy,
<br>&nbsp;
<br>There are two things you can do to protect your images.
<br>I would utilize both.
<br>&nbsp;
<br>The first way is to disable the right-click function with
<br>JavaScript. Put the following code into the HEAD of your
<br>HTML document. You can customize the alert message
<br>to say whatever you want.
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&lt;script language="javascript">
<br>&nbsp;
<br>function click() {
<br>if (event.button==2) {
<br>alert('You are not authorized to right click this page! All images
and source code are copyright 2001
<br>}
<br>}
<br>document.onmousedown=click
<br>&lt;/script>
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
<br>The other way is to create a 1x1 pixel transparent gif and
<br>use it over the top of your graphic by making your graphic
<br>the background of a TABLE. Like this.
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&lt;TABLE BACKGROUND="your_graphic.jpg"
<br>BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0">
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&lt;TR>&lt;TD>&lt;IMG SRC="1by1transparent.gif"&nbsp; WIDTH="270" HEIGHT="370"&lt;/TD>&lt;/TR>&lt;/TABLE>
<p>&nbsp;
<br>ReG at rds,
<br>&nbsp;
<br>Ed
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<p>This is an excellent site.&nbsp; It loaded quickly, had photos of
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Info on using Linux operation system?
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In answer to the question in Exchange Issue #441, 
WonderPaint gave a pretty darn good explanation of 
what is going on in windows.  He suggests Linux.  

My question is can the current software on my machine 
use Linux if I were to switch to that OS and if not, how 
much software is available for Linux.  Seems all I find is 
for windows and some for the mac.  Thanks.

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From AnthonyLloyd-Rees-cutter at opalsinthebag.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: AnthonyLloyd-Rees-cutter at opalsinthebag.com (AnthonyLloyd-Rees-cutter at opalsinthebag.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Computer freezing and a program to free up memory
Message-ID: <mailman.99.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From:  NICETY7078 at aol.com
>Subject:  What can I do about my computer freezing? (Issue #439)
>
>My computer freezes when I use AOL and sometimes when
>I'm just using the basic functions of Windows 98. My
>defragmentor  keeps starting over and over and my scan
>disk never finds anything wrong, but there has to be.

Hello Nicety,

I  have to agree with Jim Shofstall, http://www.wonderpaint.com,  
when he wrote in Exchange Issue #441:

<snip>
 One major problem is that many programs don't release memory 
when you exit.  When working in Windoze I've always taken the 
approach of rebooting on a regular basis before I've had problems, 
</snip>

I believe AOL is a shell that sits on Windows, which pretty much 
negates any hope for stability. *nix is the only non-Mac answer 
for reliable computing. I am a Red Hat Linux user as everyone's 
favourite Redmond OS obviously requires more smarts than I 
have to make it do anything useful. 

If you have to live with it however there is a cool little FREE 
download called FreeMem which you can get here;
http://www.meikel.com

This utility frees up memory at a click when you exit an app, you 
also get to see how your memory gets eaten up and not released. 
This may not fix your problem but at least Windows will be 
running at peak performance all the time and much easier than 
constant rebooting. The more you use this OS the more of these 
little third party fixer upper proggys and utilities you have to 
search for.

HTH.  Tony.

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this page" - no information until you mouseover the tab to
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with glitz - animated gif's overemphasized words etc and not
enough information on your openning page.
~~~~

I also surprised to see a site for Florida rentals with a URL
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1. On the home page a person's eyes are drawn first to the
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3. On the rest of the site, you have good information, but
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On the 2nd page, again too many flashing gifs.  Other than that,
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suggestion, if you're using frames it is unneccessary to have
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The font style and bright colors made the site look casual and
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Besides the flashing gifs, by the time I left I liked this site, but
if I hadn't been reviewing it I don't know if I would have gotten
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~~~~

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<p>From:&nbsp; Terry Mills&nbsp;&nbsp; - tlm at wwnet.net
<br>Subject: Info on using Linux operation system?
<p>In answer to the question in Exchange Issue #441,
<br>WonderPaint gave a pretty darn good explanation of
<br>what is going on in windows.&nbsp; He suggests Linux.
<p>My question is can the current software on my machine
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<p>From:&nbsp; Anthony Lloyd-Rees&nbsp;&nbsp; - cutter at opalsinthebag.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Computer freezing and a program to free up memory
<p>>From:&nbsp; NICETY7078 at aol.com
<br>>Subject:&nbsp; What can I do about my computer freezing? (Issue #439)
<br>>
<br>>My computer freezes when I use AOL and sometimes when
<br>>I'm just using the basic functions of Windows 98. My
<br>>defragmentor&nbsp; keeps starting over and over and my scan
<br>>disk never finds anything wrong, but there has to be.
<p>Hello Nicety,
<p>I&nbsp; have to agree with Jim Shofstall, http://www.wonderpaint.com,
<br>when he wrote in Exchange Issue #441:
<p>&lt;snip>
<br>&nbsp;One major problem is that many programs don't release memory
<br>when you exit.&nbsp; When working in Windoze I've always taken the
<br>approach of rebooting on a regular basis before I've had problems,
<br>&lt;/snip>
<p>I believe AOL is a shell that sits on Windows, which pretty much
<br>negates any hope for stability. *nix is the only non-Mac answer
<br>for reliable computing. I am a Red Hat Linux user as everyone's
<br>favourite Redmond OS obviously requires more smarts than I
<br>have to make it do anything useful.
<p>If you have to live with it however there is a cool little FREE
<br>download called FreeMem which you can get here;
<br><a href="http://www.meikel.com">http://www.meikel.com</a><a href="http://www.meikel.com"></a>
<p>This utility frees up memory at a click when you exit an app, you
<br>also get to see how your memory gets eaten up and not released.
<br>This may not fix your problem but at least Windows will be
<br>running at peak performance all the time and much easier than
<br>constant rebooting. The more you use this OS the more of these
<br>little third party fixer upper proggys and utilities you have to
<br>search for.
<p>HTH.&nbsp; Tony.
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<br>~~~~
<p>I also surprised to see a site for Florida rentals with a URL
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<br>~~~~
<p>The animations make this site look amateurish from the
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From sion at crypto.cs.sunysb.edu  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: sion at crypto.cs.sunysb.edu (Radu Sion)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: [ias-opportunities] Call for Participation: FC 2008 -  
Message-ID: <mailman.100.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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children 1-12]
To: ias-opportunities at cerias.purdue.edu
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:47:04 -0500
Reply-To: Radu Sion <sion at crypto.cs.sunysb.edu>


Dear Colleague,

This is a call for participation to the Financial Cryptography
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2008 (http://fc08.ifca.ai). Financial Cryptography and Data
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From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.101.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> > Let's face it, shit like hotmail, AOL, MSN, and their cousins are really
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>
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time.]

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From HIIP at Harvard.edu  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: HIIP at Harvard.edu (HIIP at Harvard.edu)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Nov. 26: Barry Hurewitz, HIIP Seminar on Privacy; Nov. 29: Jerry
Message-ID: <mailman.103.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hausman, New
 Directions in Regulation Seminar on Broadband Access
To: HIIP at Harvard.edu
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:07:35 -0500

HIIP Seminar

"Current Developments in U.S. Data Privacy Regulation"

Barry J. Hurewitz
Government and Regulatory Affairs, Hale and Dorr LLP

Monday, November 26, 2001
noon-1:30 p.m.
BCSIA Library, Littauer Room 369, 3rd Floor
John F. Kennedy School of Government

Regulatory protection of personal privacy in the U.S. has risen from
obscurity in the past few years. Sector by sector, privacy regulations have
transformed e-commerce and invigorated advocates of personal information
privacy. Privacy protections have been extended to driver's license
information, children's online information, financial data, wireless
communications, and health records. A combination of industry self-
regulation and government enforcement has shaped emerging practices in
consumer online privacy.

Now, the change in administrations, the war on terrorism, emerging
technologies and economic trouble in the online industry are changing the
privacy debate in Washington. The FTC has abandoned its call for new
privacy laws, and Congress has expanded law enforcement surveillance
powers.

What is the U.S. regulatory structure for privacy protection? What is
happening to e-privacy? Does better information need to compromise privacy?
How will the current trend affect e-business?

Barry Hurewitz, a partner in Hale and Dorr's Government & Regulatory
Affairs Department, has a multidisciplinary practice focusing on federal
legislative and regulatory matters affecting technology companies,
including federal technology policy, regulatory compliance, government
procurement, and technology transfer.

As data privacy and security issues have expanded across the high-
technology sector, Mr. Hurewitz has advised clients on U.S. and
international data privacy developments, including Internet privacy, health
data privacy, financial privacy, the U.S.-EU Safe Harbor program for
protecting personal data about EU persons, federal surveillance techniques,
and privacy in telecommunications. Hurewitz' practice includes regulatory
counseling, developing internal corporate data protection procedures,
responding to enforcement actions and private claims, participating in the
development of new regulations, and tracking emerging state and federal
privacy legislation.

HIIP Seminar - Schedule for Remaining Sessions, Autumn 2001

December 3
Tim Berners-Lee, Director, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), and
Senior Research Scientist, Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

Seminars to be held on Mondays, 12-1:30pm,
BCSIA Library, Room Littauer 369, John F. Kennedy School of
Government

This is a brown bag style seminar with limited seating available.
The schedule is posted at <http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/iip/HIIP-Seminar.html
>.

The 2001-2002 HIIP Seminar Series is dedicated
to the memory of Michael L. Dertouzos (1936-2001).


Thursday, November 29, 2001
12:00 - 1:30 p.m.
Bell Hall
John F. Kennedy School of Government

The Regulatory Policy Program and The Harvard Information Infrastructure
Project, Center for
Business and Government, John F. Kennedy School of Government invite you to
attend a New Directions in Regulation Lunch Seminar with Jerry Hausman on
"Broadband Internet Access: The Effect of Asymmetric Regulation"

The growing market for current digital cellular service (2G) is beginning
to decrease the usage of wireline
(traditional) telephone service. Although long distance usage is
decreasing, as is local usage in countries where
consumers pay to make local calls, wireline telephone service offers
broadband (high speed) Internet service
which current mobile 2G technology cannot offer.  Professor Hausman will
explore whether the next generation
mobile technology, 3G, will provide an adequate data substitute for
wireline service.  If it does, the need for
regulation for wireline service is likely to disappear along with the
numerous distortions in the economy that
traditional forms of regulation create.

Jerry A. Hausman is the John and Jennie S. MacDonald Professor of Economics
at the Massachusetts Institute
of Technology.  He has taught at MIT for 28 years.  He is Director of the
MIT Telecommunications Economics
Research Program.  Professor Hausman teaches a course, "Competition in
Telecommunications," to graduate
students in economics and business.  He is also a Special Consultant to
Lexecon, Inc.  Professor Hausman
received the John Bates Clark Award from the American Economics Association
in 1985 for the most
outstanding contributions to economics by an economist under 40 years of
age.  He also received the Frisch
Medal from the Econometric Society.  Professor Hausman has published
numerous papers in econometrics and
applied microeconomics.  His recent applied research has been in
differentiated products and in
telecommunications.

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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: An "A" to "Z" G U N   R E F R E S H E R   C O U R S E
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          An "A" to "Z" G U N   R E F R E S H E R   C O U R S E

a. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

 b. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

 c. Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface.

 d. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

 e. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

 f. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

 g. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

 h. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

 i. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

 j. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.

 k. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand.

 l. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.

 m. 64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday.

 n. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.

 o. Know guns, Know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

 p. You don't shoot to kill; You shoot to stay alive.

 q. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer.

 r. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

 s. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer.

 t. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.

u. Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens tries to control
    them.

v. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

 w. Enforce the "gun control laws" in place, don't make more.

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 y. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control.

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Official Reporters have more copyright rights
Message-ID: <mailman.105.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Declan McCullagh wrote:
> Why did I ever deprocmail Choate?...
> I expect this will be my only response to Choate in the foreseeable
> future. Sigh.

I certainly hope so.  Messages like this move you closer to my
procmail file, even though you're often worth reading.  You're as easy
to deal with as Jim, if you persist on mixing your online persona with
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Date: Wed,24 ���� 2001 14:53:48 +0800
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From jamesd at echeque.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.106.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> You commies always find socialists everywhere.  Supposedly Lincoln and
Adam
> Smith were socialists.

They were. Lincoln was the worst US president - Clinton is a small child
compared to him - and Adam Smith was all for state education, for example.

Mark








From all at biosys.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: all at biosys.net (Asymmetric)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.107.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> I do understand how both types work, however, the opportunity for
> subterfuge is always present. I was making a point that the assumed
> security of a remailer should not factor in if you intend to put yourself
> at risk.  Assumptions are dangerous all over the place, and if your
> assumption could get you into trouble, it's better to verify it or not
> instead of just proceeding blindly, if at all possible.

Even if you trust each remailer to "do the right thing" only 10% of the
time, by chaining 10 such remailers the probability of having your identity
revealed is only 1 in 10^10 - assuming that the remailers are independent.
[That secondary assumption can be improved by chosing remailers in different
countries.]

> What is the outrageous claim?  That someone could purposely set up an
> insecure remailer, claim that it's secure, and that people could then
> unwittingly use it to incriminate themselves?

No - that by using an open-relay mailer you get the same anonymity as using
a Type 1 / Type 2 remailer.

> and honestly my comment about faking
> the return addresses was in no way to say that this method could replace
> remailers

Funny, that's how it looked for everyone. Admit it - you said something
stupid. [Even I admit I'm wrong sometimes. <g>]

> I'm going to stop myself here.. The original email I sent was simply a
> question about what could be done to possibly quell the flow of spam
> generated by this list, followed by a few suggestions.  It's gotten
utterly
> out of hand because somebody apparently took it as a personal attack, and
> responded with a series of attacks of his own.

Most of the regular subscribers are tired of the complaints (which are
usually worse - as in more and bigger - than the spam).

> As I said before, if [you] (the reader on the list) don't want to hear
> these questions, then what's good for the goose is good for the
> gander.  Filter my emails if you like; It'll be a lot easier for you to
> filter them automatically than it will be to filter the spam messages in
> any event.

I don't use any (deleting) filters; I read about 500 messages each day, and
it only takes me 2-3 hours. A friend of mine reads around 2,000 messages
each day. It's not such a big deal.

> Instead, I received another nasty letter, and then a few days later a call
> from my upstream provider.  They denied her request to deliver up my name
> and address, but told me that if I didn't take the information down that
it
> would be a violation of the service agreement, and that they would
> disconnect the frame relay.  I explained to their (the ISPs) lawyer the
> situation, and that they did not actually own the copyrights in
> question.  He responded with "I know, but considering their history, they
> are very willing to take us to court over this, and honestly we don't want
> to deal with that.  Take it down or we shut you down, we don't care who's
> right, we just don't want a lawsuit."

Yep. Same thing - the fear of lawsuits - is why we were warned, when we came
to the US, to not even look at our female colleagues: even a hint of a
lawsuit would make our employer send us back to our country in a heartbeat -
whether we're guilty or not. [They wouldn't care.]

US sucks a lot. Too bad this is where the money is :)

> Needless to say, faced with the entire site being removed, I removed the
> materials.

One word: Freenet. See http://freenet.sourceforge.net

> I see.  But trying to find a way to save even more time and bandwidth by
> even attempting to figure out a solution to this problem is not as
valuable?

No. There already is a solution: the client filters everything. Wait,
there's also a second one: build your own cypherpunks node. [The second one
is even better.]

> It comes down to a simple bit of confusion on my part.  I cannot
understand
> the mentality of someone who has the time and resources to effectively
> combat the spam on this list, and yet who does not have the time or
> resource to either respond in a somewhat civil fashion, or to just delete
> the message along with the rest of the refuse.

Spam takes <1 second to identify and delete.

> You seemed to be a bit more level headed, so while I still totally
disagree
> that it's a waste of time to try and figure a way around this problem, I
> haven't utterly lost respect for you as I have with Tim.  "Pillar of the
> community" or not, the guy is an utter asshole.

Here I agree with you :)

Mark








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From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: rah at shipwright.com (R. A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.108.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

irtheory-owner at yahoogroups.com
Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory at yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:01:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [irtheory] War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved.
Reply-To: irtheory at yahoogroups.com

At 4:43 PM -0400 6/13/04, Daniel Nexon wrote:
>The quotation marks here, I assume, are a disclaimer. Liberalism is not
>Marxism. Nor, for that matter, is support for social democracy.

There *you* go again.

:-)

Cheers,
RAH

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From: registration at ifilm.com (registration at ifilm.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com (Dewayne Hendricks)
Date: Wednesday, September 5, 2012
Subject: Honeytrap reveals mass monitoring of downloaders (Paul Marks)
Message-ID: <mailman.110.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Paul Marks, *New Scientist*, 4 Sep 2012, via Dave Farber's IP
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2012/09/honeytrap-catches-copyright-co.html

Anyone who has downloaded pirated music, video or ebooks using a BitTorrent
client has probably had their IP address logged by copyright-enforcement
authorities within 3 hours of doing so. So say computer scientists who
placed a fake pirate server online - and very quickly found monitoring
systems checking out who was taking what from the servers.

The news comes from this week's SecureComm conference in Padua, Italy, where
computer security researcher Tom Chothia and his colleagues at the
University of Birmingham, UK, revealed they have discovered "massive
monitoring" of BitTorrent download sites, such as the PirateBay, has been
taking place for at least three years.

BitTorrent is a data distribution protocol that splits an uploaded digital
media file into many parts and shares it around a swarm of co-operating
servers. Birmingham's fake server acted like a part of a file-sharing swarm
and the connections made to it quickly revealed the presence of file-sharing
monitors run by "copyright enforcement organisations, security companies and
even government research labs". ...

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Entertainingly dangerous spam - Access and use your PC from anywhere 
Message-ID: <mailman.111.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


> I received the following entertaining spam message.
> Their product
> 	"allows you to securely access and use your office computer
> 	from any Web browser anytime, anywhere."
> I wonder who else it allows to access from any web browser, anywhere :-)
> 
[..]
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> 
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show you how to perform certain tasks with the OS?






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From declan at well.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: More on "new physics"
In-Reply-To: <95F357A4-C0CA-11D5-9467-0050E439C473@got.net>; from tcmay@got.net on Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 10:40:40AM -0700
Message-ID: <mailman.114.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 10:40:40AM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> stuff about zero point energy and perpetual motion machines. And, 
> sometimes, mixed together with the usual nutcase stuff about the Hollow 
> Earth theory (zeta reticulans colonizing the hollow earth, Greys, 
> underground UFO bases, secret Nazi weapons, etc.).

Righto. It's a staple of the UFO fringe. See:

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,43526,00.html
>A briefing book the group handed out to reporters says mankind must
>learn the truth about UFOs and switch to free energy and beam cars
>before it's too late.

And then there was this, which I wrote 2.5 years ago. Some folks,
including I believe Tim, said at the time that I was being too
uncritical, and looking back, they was right. It's a little painful to
read; at the very least I should have reversed the order of the
article.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/1,1282,19446,00.html
>Much of the audience, though, is undeterred. They gather around the
>stinking, wheezing mower and stare at it as if it were an alien
>artifact recently recovered from Area 51. They are the perpetually
>hopeful, the uncritical -- the groupies of the future energy movement.

-Declan




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           I  N   T   R   O   D   U   C   I   N   G

MLMDynamite's PRE LAUNCH - SUMMER 2001 -
Ultimate Recruitment Solutions...

_________ In this new Millennium, MLM _________
                              will no longer be
                          the exclusive preserve
                             of entrepreneurial
                                  mavericks.
-Richard Poe's Wave4-

Hi there,

The secret is out!

Here's the mail we've all been waiting for! Read carefully
and take immediate action on it!

I've discovered an amazing formula that will give your
MLM an enormous enrollers explosion. You'll benefit
hugely if you use it with YOUR primary MLM!

-THE ULTIMATE RECRUITMENT FORMULA-

So if you are already in MLM or about to get into one
this will be the most important mail you will ever read.

Right now I know people who enroll dozens in their
downlines WEEKLY using the formula I'm about to
reveal.

Fred Stege, Founder of MLMDynamite, Inc enrolled
127 people within 7 day's after launching! One of his
enrollees from this batch has become top recruiter in
his company within 90 days after using this incredible
easy-to-use concept.

The NEW Formula is meant as a Front End Program to
enhance "YOUR" MLM. I'm NOT pitching you in any
MLM.
____________________________________________
In fact you may try it for absolutely FREE and you'll
get an electrifying stack of tools straight away!
____________________________________________

We've discovered that the majority of Qualified MLM
Leads (Prospects) all have 1 thing in common...

They all are looking for 3 things they desperately want
and can't get in any one 100% generic System...

I just know that you'll agree with these 3 things and
they are all to your advantage!

Let me reveal you the 3 most sought after topics first:

· Cutting Edge MLM Information.
· A Legitimate Proven Formula.
· Pre Qualified Leads. (And how to get them for FREE)

Isn't that what everybody is looking for?..
Will these topics ever go out of style?..
Doesn't THAT Attract the Masses?..

Does 'OLD SCHOOL MLM' attract the masses?..

Discover "How you can EARN RESIDUAL INCOME
While Recruiting on Auto Pilot whether they join your
MLM or not!"

Welcome to 21st Century Massive Recruitment.

I encourage you to check the details and sign up
immediately. That means NOW! Copy and paste this mail
with Your email address after sign up and bring it to your
contacts a.s.a.p!

For more info Click here mailto:clari277 at yahoo.com?subject=FREE_REPORT

Sincerely,


Click here mailto:clari277 at yahoo.com?subject=FREE_REPORT
P.S.


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On the given site you'll find a secret that every PRO
in our industry knows and uses...
It's called: S-L-L-G: Self Liquidating Lead Generation.
It will Create a Huge, Electrifying Surge in Your Cash Flow.

P.P.P.S.
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Date: �., 05 �.�. 2544 14:15:10
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The Secret to Supercharge your MLM! A must read...

           I  N   T   R   O   D   U   C   I   N   G

MLMDynamite's PRE LAUNCH - SUMMER 2001 -
Ultimate Recruitment Solutions...

_________ In this new Millennium, MLM _________
                              will no longer be
                          the exclusive preserve
                             of entrepreneurial
                                  mavericks.
-Richard Poe's Wave4-

Hi there,

The secret is out!

Here's the mail we've all been waiting for! Read carefully
and take immediate action on it!

I've discovered an amazing formula that will give your
MLM an enormous enrollers explosion. You'll benefit
hugely if you use it with YOUR primary MLM!

-THE ULTIMATE RECRUITMENT FORMULA-

So if you are already in MLM or about to get into one
this will be the most important mail you will ever read.

Right now I know people who enroll dozens in their
downlines WEEKLY using the formula I'm about to
reveal.

Fred Stege, Founder of MLMDynamite, Inc enrolled
127 people within 7 day's after launching! One of his
enrollees from this batch has become top recruiter in
his company within 90 days after using this incredible
easy-to-use concept.

The NEW Formula is meant as a Front End Program to
enhance "YOUR" MLM. I'm NOT pitching you in any
MLM.
____________________________________________
In fact you may try it for absolutely FREE and you'll
get an electrifying stack of tools straight away!
____________________________________________

We've discovered that the majority of Qualified MLM
Leads (Prospects) all have 1 thing in common...

They all are looking for 3 things they desperately want
and can't get in any one 100% generic System...

I just know that you'll agree with these 3 things and
they are all to your advantage!

Let me reveal you the 3 most sought after topics first:

· Cutting Edge MLM Information.
· A Legitimate Proven Formula.
· Pre Qualified Leads. (And how to get them for FREE)

Isn't that what everybody is looking for?..
Will these topics ever go out of style?..
Doesn't THAT Attract the Masses?..

Does 'OLD SCHOOL MLM' attract the masses?..

Discover "How you can EARN RESIDUAL INCOME
While Recruiting on Auto Pilot whether they join your
MLM or not!"

Welcome to 21st Century Massive Recruitment.

I encourage you to check the details and sign up
immediately. That means NOW! Copy and paste this mail
with Your email address after sign up and bring it to your
contacts a.s.a.p!

For more info Click here mailto:clari277 at yahoo.com?subject=FREE_REPORT

Sincerely,


Click here mailto:clari277 at yahoo.com?subject=FREE_REPORT
P.S.


P.P.S.
On the given site you'll find a secret that every PRO
in our industry knows and uses...
It's called: S-L-L-G: Self Liquidating Lead Generation.
It will Create a Huge, Electrifying Surge in Your Cash Flow.

P.P.P.S.
Find out the NEW 3 foot rule in MLM. "Why Old School
MLM is nearly dead."

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From fm at st-kilda.org  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: fm at st-kilda.org (Fearghas McKay)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: [Mac_crypto] "Security Update 2002-08-02 for OpenSSL, Sun RPC,
Message-ID: <mailman.117.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

mod_ssl" does
 not verify
Sender: mac_crypto-admin at vmeng.com
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:38:50 +0100

**A verification of this security announcement mail fails**

The key is signed by Vinnie Moscaritolo - vinnie at vmeng.com which is a good
thing even if Vinnie is no longer at Apple ( which is a bad thing ), it is
also signed by someone who does not appear on any of the public keyservers
that I can find which is a bit disappointing.

Verified version is at the bottom.

	f

--- begin forwarded text



From product-security at apple.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: product-security at apple.com (Product Security)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Security Update 2002-08-02 for OpenSSL, Sun RPC, mod_ssl
Message-ID: <mailman.118.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:45:34 -0700

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Security Update 2002-08-02 is now available.  It contains fixes for
recent
vulnerabilities in:

    OpenSSL:  Fixes security vulnerabilities CAN-2002-0656,
CAN-2002-0657,
       CAN-2002-0655, and CAN-2002-0659.  Details are available via:
       http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-23.html

    mod_ssl:  Fixes CAN-2002-0653, an off-by-one buffer overflow in the
       mod_ssl Apache module.  Details are available via:
       http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0653

    Sun RPC:  Fixes CAN-2002-039, a buffer overflow in the Sun RPC XDR
decoder.
       Details are available via:

http://bvlive01.iss.net/issEn/delivery/xforce/alertdetail.jsp?oid=20823

Affected systems:  Mac OS X client and Mac OS X Server

Note:  Mac OS X client is configured by default to have these services
turned
off, and is only vulnerable if the user has enabled network services
which rely
on the affected components.  It is still recommended for Mac OS X
client users
to apply this security update to their system.

System requirements:  Mac OS X 10.1.5

Security Update 2002-08-02 may be obtained from:

   * Software Update pane in System Preferences

   * Apple's Software Downloads web site:
       http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120139

       SSL server:
       https://depot.info.apple.com/security/129403bc5e184e3b7367.html

To help verify the integrity of Security Update 2002-08-02 from the
Software Downloads web site:

    The download file is titled:  SecurityUpd2002-08-02.dmg
    Its SHA-1 digest is:  54f6eebe0398181db8f1129403bc5e184e3b7367

Information will also be posted to the Apple Product Security web site:
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Security Update 2002-08-02 is now available.  It contains fixes for
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From tom at ricardo.de  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: tom at ricardo.de (Tom)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
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>"Roy M. Silvernail" wrote:
>>
>> A quote from
http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,20985,00.html:
>>
>> " Criminal organizations appear to be using the proceeds of
>>     IP-infringing products to facilitate a variety of enterprises,
>>     including guns, drugs, pornography and even terrorism. Invariably,
>>     when there is intellectual property crime, there is tax evasion and
>>     money laundering."
>>
>> Note that last sentence.
>
>she forgot to mention child abuse.

Merely not mentioned in the Standard article.  See:


http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/EOP/NSC/html/documents/pub45270/pub45270chap1.h
tml#4







From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
Message-ID: <mailman.121.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



At 11:17 AM -0800 11/23/2000, Lynn.Wheeler at firstdata.com wrote:
>Basically cetificates are an implementation of R/O partial replicated
>distributed data that were intended to address availability of
>information in a
>predominately offline environment.
>
>In the SSL server certificates, distribution of CRLs tend to create a problem
>for consumers because they aren't likely to want to see
>99.99999999999999999999%
>of the CRLs distributed and/or they aren't online at the time the CRLs are
>distributed (and/or if done via email would create a horrible spam issue ...
>every possible consumer in the world receiving email CRLs from every
>possile SSL
>server certificate issuing CA).

Sounds like a job for Usenet.

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From davidh at spidacom.co.uk  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: davidh at spidacom.co.uk (David Hansen)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Colossus in action
Message-ID: <mailman.122.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


Just in case anyone is as ill informed as me, I was delighted to read 
at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7094881.stm that the rebuilt 
Colossus is or is about to be used on a message enciphered on a Lorenz 
machine and transmitted from Germany.

Following the links from that page I see that the message will be 
"intercepted" using the radio equipment of the time before the Colossus 
tries to work out the settings. There will be  parallel effort with 
modern radio equipment and computers. It should be an interesting race.

I admire those who had the enthusiasm to rebuild the machine and who 
had the contacts to get hold of the plans and notes that remained. The 
last time I took a particular interest in the project, some years ago, 
they were trying to find the right sort of valve and had just completed 
the framework for hurtling paper tape round and round.


- -- 
  David Hansen, Edinburgh 
 I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents 
me   
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54


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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Masks [was: Re: About 5yr. log retention]
Message-ID: <mailman.123.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 10:06:03PM +0100, Anonymous wrote:
>
> I was unable to locate any other states with statutes addressing "mask
> wearing" in public (without intent to commit burglary).  No doubt the
rest
> of the offending rules are ordinances instead.
>

Also see 18 USC 242 and 42 USC 1985 for criminal and civil penalties,
respectively, for "two or more persons" who "go in disguise on the highway,
or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free
exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege" secured by the US
constitution or the laws of the United States.

--
Greg Broiles gbroiles at netbox.com
PO Box 897
Oakland CA 94604






From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Jack Straw on the 'Today' programme
Message-ID: <mailman.124.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>




Ian Miller wrote:
> 
> Jack Straw has just been interviewed on the BBC4 Today programme.  After
> talking untypically good sense on his recent round of diplomacy, he
> finished off with a rant against the press for daring to criticise his
> efforts to regulate encryption, suggesting it was this that prevented
> catching the WTC terrorists before they struck.  He also seemed to be
> assuming that, in the light of recent events, we would all agree with him
> now.
> 
> It sounded to me very like he was diverging from his script, and expressing
> his own personal frustration, so we shouldn't assume it necessarily signals
> anything about government policy.  Albeit he is probably saying the same
> sort of nonsense in cabinet.

I heard it as well.  It made me angry. Angry enough to waste 20 minutes
ranting.

It does seem as if Straw was taking it personally. My guess is that some
of it stems from New Labour's vast desire to win elections.   They
believe that government must seem to be strong to be re-elected. So
anything that looks like a government defeat is an anomaly that should
be rectified as soon as possible. If Straw really thinks he gave in on
encryption (as far as I can tell they won) then a new bill will be
somewhere on his list.

That is probably OK - he's not Home Secretary any more. The real problem
is that the government as a whole is obsessed with party unity. They
hate anyone being off-message, they think it loses votes. So when the
leadership is seen to be going in one direction, everyone else must be
seen to be marching in step. There has been more than one occasion where
Blair said something off the cuff and it suddenly became untouchable
policy. Not because there is any kind of personality cult - Labour still
hasn't sunk that far, in Britain that kind of perverted loyalty is more
likely to be met with among Tories  - but because they have been told by
generations of journalists that divided parties lose elections.

So if a censorship or encryption clampdown gets into a Blair speech
instead of a Straw one, and if it is allowed to become policy, or even
to seem to be policy,  then they will waste time getting new legislation
*even* *if* *they* *know* *it* *is* *useless*  because they value party
unity above passing good laws. They will do this for moral reasons,
because they think that if they seem disunited or weak then the Tories
will win, and pass worse laws. So they do the Tories work for them.  As
usual they are refighting the last war with the tactics of the one
before - they are still obsessed with Thatcher, desiring both to defeat
her and to be like her; but most of all to stop any Tory like her ever
getting into power again.

In hard times the government needs to keep its eye on the ball. The sort
of nonsense Straw was talking about  this morning won't help anybody. 
It is a waste of time. He's doing a bloody good job as Foreign
Secretary,  he should stick to it, and forget about censorship,
encryption and i.d. cards; measure which wouldn't have stopped the
attack, won't stop the next one, and will waste the time and money and
effort of the police and the intelligence services whilst alienating
people who would in other circumstances be this government's strong
supporters. They will spend billions on measures that will annoy
millions of law-abiding citizens, just to make life slightly tougher for
a few travellers, immigrants, rough-sleepers, and moonlighters  and sad
men who like to look at dirty pictures, while doing *nothing* to worry
organised crime or terrorists.

The weirdest thing was Boris Johnson outflanking Jack Straw on the left. 

Johnson was saying on the same program, that the attackers have a
"conservative" frame of mind (and less relevantly that such conservatism
seemed to be inherent in Islam). He at first seemed to say (or was
reported as saying by the journalists) that the attackers had a fear and
loathing of women which perhaps disturbed their minds, made them behave
in ways that to us seem irrational or insane. Later he retracted that
but called them "conservatives" (he seemed to realise the irony as he
spoke), people scared of social change, of uncertainty, of the apparent
disorder and liberty of Europe and America.

Straw  - in this context - is a conservative. He has, I think, a sincere
desire, deeply and strongly felt, for order in society. He is
emotionally disturbed by kids hanging around on street corners, by
aggressive speech, by ranting, by travellers (I  cringe with
embarrassment when I remember is absurd racist nonsense about "real
gypsies". That man is in the same party as me?), by illegal immigrants,
by petty smuggling, by public drunkenness, by litter, by disorder and
complexity and ragged edges in general. He wants to clean up all the
social clutter.  It is the other side of the coin from the concern for
"social exclusion". He wants everyone to be socially included, and those
who can't, or won't, be included are scary. He thinks we would all be
happier if everyone knew their place. 

He's not really a nationalist, but he is a statist. He thinks security
and order are the product of the state, and that without the state our
lives would be nasty, brutish, and short. So the authority of the state
must be preserved.  For him teenagers drinking cheap cider on street
corners are at the thin end of a wedge that leads to the destruction of
civilisation.

This kind of conservative personality (whether Islamic-conservative or
New-Labour-conservative) can all too easily slide into the sort of
authoritarianism that objects to unlicensed people going about their
unlicensed business, that wants to force everybody not just to know
their place but to keep their place, that fears unregulated speech, that
hates the idea of men with no master. That thinks that the only way to
stop the kids hanging about on the street corners is to tell them where
they should be and make sure they stay there. That thinks that the only
way of preventing us from spreading hate over the Internet or from
plotting to put bombs in the House of Commons car park is to listen to
everything we say. That everything that is not explicitly commanded
should be forbidden. That the giving and the taking of orders is good
for the soul. In British politics that sort of authoritarian personality
has typically found a home in  the Conservative Party (some Tories love
to spout about libertarianism and free trade,  but the party as a whole
has been firmly grounded in  blue-rinsed, nationalist, royalist,
protectionist, petty deferentialism for it's entire history). But I
think we are seeing the result of authoritarian entryism into the Labour
Party.

Boris Johnson, I hate to admit, was right. 

If this is a war, we aren't going to win it by capitulating. Jack Straw
made a surrender speech this morning. He called for appeasement. He
almost certainly has no idea that that is what he was doing.

I think Straw makes a decent Foreign Secretary. Intelligent, honest,
hard-working, sincere, a lover of law and the Law, the last man to go
and drop bombs on people for revenge and spite.  But I thank God he
isn't Home Secretary any more. I honestly doubt that he is emotionally 
capable of understanding why some of us cannot morally put up with i.d.
cards and censorship. The liberty we love seems to him to be disorder,
irrationality, delusion.

</rant>




From sunder at sunder.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: sunder at sunder.net (sunder)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.125.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> I tend to just string up lots of characters, so my passphrases look like
this:
>
>  ^#.;Odfi9 at 7f$}'~%42w0,m:Qe_|33+\  and so on.

Why the heck would you need a password this big? There are 94 printable
characters (0x33 .. 0x7E); a random password 32 chars long (like the above)
will thus have ~ 1.38 x 10^63 possibilities, meaning 210 bits of entropy
(10^63 = O(2^210)). What, do you intend to use your password as a public
key?

A password made of the same character set, but only 8 chars long, will
provide 94^8 ~= 6 x 10^15 = O(2^50) combinations. I'd say that's plenty -
remember, it's a password, not a key.

Mark








From EximWawasan-spc at pl.jaring.my  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: EximWawasan-spc at pl.jaring.my (EximWawasan-spc at pl.jaring.my)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: html code for simple application/join form?
Message-ID: <mailman.126.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Dear Subscribers,

I have a question that is hindering my online progress and success.

I have been trying to build my own webpage with a simple 
application form with inputs of First Name, Last Name Email 
Address and a click "submit" button. 

I have an email account on the same free web site provider 
and my own email account.  The application form is to be 
submitted either to my mail box on the same website or to 
my own email box. How to write and create the html codes 
for this simple application form?

I enclose below the html codes for form, I will appreciate very 
much if you could kindly advise,  comment and pick out the 
mistakes or make due corrections or amendments. 

All coding is between '[' and ']' instead of the less than and greater 
than signs to avoid any conflict in the newsletter.
 
[FORM ACTION=http://www.yourdomain.com method=POST] 
[input type=hidden name="mail_to" value="your email address"]
[input type=hidden name="subject" value=
      "I would like to join your program for free!"]
[input type=hidden name="required" value="firstname,lastname,email"]
[/center]
[blockquote]�[center]
[table][tr][tr][td ALIGN=RIGHT][i]Frist name[/i]
[/td]
[td][input] type="text" size="25" name="firstname"][/td][/tr][/tr]
[tr][td][td ALIGN=RIGHT][i]Last name[/i][/td][td][input type="text"
size="25" name="lastname"][/td][/tr][/tr]
[tr][tr][td ALIGN=RIGHT][i]Email Address[/i][/td][/td][input type="text"
size="25" name="email"][/td][/tr]/tr]
[tr][td ALIGN=RIGHT][i][/i][/td][/td][/tr]
[/table][/center][/Blockquote][/td][/tr][/table]
[center][input type="SUBMIT" value="Join for Free"][/form]

Thank you. Best regards.
 
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ANSWERS:


From ParadigmWebDesign-ed at lakesplus.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: ParadigmWebDesign-ed at lakesplus.com (ParadigmWebDesign-ed at lakesplus.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Other choices in software might work better
Message-ID: <mailman.127.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From: Steve Black   - webworker at grapemail.net
>Subject:  ScanDisk and Defrag aren't working. What do I do?
>
>I am having a problem running maintainence on my computer.
>ScanDisk and Defrag seem to keep running over and over
>without any results. Also, my clock kicks back an hour ever
>once in a while for no apparrent reason.  Has anyone else
>ever ran into these problems?  Any suggestions?

Steve,

Before trying to defrag or run Scan disk, be sure to exit every
single application that may be runing in the background.
Right click all the little icons on the right side of your task
bar and exit those applications.

The Defrag and Scan disk that comes with Windows isn't
very good. I would suggest searching http://zdnet.com for
others. There are many free or low-cost programs that will
handle this job for you much more efficiently.

ReG at rds,

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From MichaelMacKian-ml at mackian.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: MichaelMacKian-ml at mackian.freeserve.co.uk (MichaelMacKian-ml at mackian.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: End all tasks before starting
Message-ID: <mailman.128.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From: Steve Black   - webworker at grapemail.net
>Subject:  ScanDisk and Defrag aren't working. What do I do?

This is usually caused by something modifying the disk
contents so the program says 'whoops!' and starts all over
again.

Particular sinners are screen savers - turn them off when
doing a defrag - and programs like Task Scheduler, FindFast
and Promotivator.

Press ctl-alt-del (once!) to bring up a list of open programs,
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For a guide on which ones you can safely turn off in this
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<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - ScanDisk and Defrag aren't working. What
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<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ed: Other
choices in software might work better
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; M. MacKian:
End all tasks before starting
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<p>From:&nbsp; Exim Wawasan&nbsp;&nbsp; - spc at pl.jaring.my
<br>Subject:&nbsp; html code for simple application/join form?
<p>Dear Subscribers,
<p>I have a question that is hindering my online progress and success.
<p>I have been trying to build my own webpage with a simple
<br>application form with inputs of First Name, Last Name Email
<br>Address and a click "submit" button.
<p>I have an email account on the same free web site provider
<br>and my own email account.&nbsp; The application form is to be
<br>submitted either to my mail box on the same website or to
<br>my own email box. How to write and create the html codes
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<p>I enclose below the html codes for form, I will appreciate very
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<br>mistakes or make due corrections or amendments.
<p>All coding is between '[' and ']' instead of the less than and greater
<br>than signs to avoid any conflict in the newsletter.
<br>&nbsp;
<br>[FORM ACTION=http://www.yourdomain.com method=POST]
<br>[input type=hidden name="mail_to" value="your email address"]
<br>[input type=hidden name="subject" value=
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "I would like to join your program for
free!"]
<br>[input type=hidden name="required" value="firstname,lastname,email"]
<br>[/center]
<br>[blockquote]&amp;nbsp;[center]
<br>[table][tr][tr][td ALIGN=RIGHT][i]Frist name[/i]
<br>[/td]
<br>[td][input] type="text" size="25" name="firstname"][/td][/tr][/tr]
<br>[tr][td][td ALIGN=RIGHT][i]Last name[/i][/td][td][input type="text"
<br>size="25" name="lastname"][/td][/tr][/tr]
<br>[tr][tr][td ALIGN=RIGHT][i]Email Address[/i][/td][/td][input type="text"
<br>size="25" name="email"][/td][/tr]/tr]
<br>[tr][td ALIGN=RIGHT][i][/i][/td][/td][/tr]
<br>[/table][/center][/Blockquote][/td][/tr][/table]
<br>[center][input type="SUBMIT" value="Join for Free"][/form]
<p>Thank you. Best regards.
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<p>From:&nbsp; Paradigm Web Design&nbsp;&nbsp; - ed at lakesplus.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Other choices in software might work better
<p>>From: Steve Black&nbsp;&nbsp; - webworker at grapemail.net
<br>>Subject:&nbsp; ScanDisk and Defrag aren't working. What do I do?
<br>>
<br>>I am having a problem running maintainence on my computer.
<br>>ScanDisk and Defrag seem to keep running over and over
<br>>without any results. Also, my clock kicks back an hour ever
<br>>once in a while for no apparrent reason.&nbsp; Has anyone else
<br>>ever ran into these problems?&nbsp; Any suggestions?
<p>Steve,
<p>Before trying to defrag or run Scan disk, be sure to exit every
<br>single application that may be runing in the background.
<br>Right click all the little icons on the right side of your task
<br>bar and exit those applications.
<p>The Defrag and Scan disk that comes with Windows isn't
<br>very good. I would suggest searching http://zdnet.com for
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<p>ReG at rds,
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<br>Subject:&nbsp; End all tasks before starting
<p>>From: Steve Black&nbsp;&nbsp; - webworker at grapemail.net
<br>>Subject:&nbsp; ScanDisk and Defrag aren't working. What do I do?
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<br>John Stitzel
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<p>I liked how this site was focused on one subject.&nbsp; The text
<br>on the home page made it clear what the site was about and
<br>what I would find within its pages.&nbsp; Well done, most people
<br>don't get that right.
<p>Suggestions:&nbsp; move the navigation buttons from the bottom
<br>of the page to the left side, they get lost in all those banners.
<br>Also there are way too many banners and graphics on each
<br>page.&nbsp; The graphics are too large and really make the pages
<br>slow loading.&nbsp; Your logo 'Witness on the Web' is over 100K
<br>alone.&nbsp; Your entire page, with all the graphics on it, should
<br>not be that large.&nbsp; Also if you are going to embed a sound
<br>file on the page please give us an option of turning it off.
<p>Hope I'm not coming off too negative - it is an attractive
<br>site with a nice use of color and text.&nbsp; I think its a great start.
<br>~~~~
<p>Webwitness loaded very slow.&nbsp; I think you'll lose visitors
<br>who don't want to wait, and that would be a shame. Optimize
<br>the graphics, and maybe use smaller pictures or eliminate
<br>some to speed up the loading time. Move your links to the
<br>top of the page.
<br>~~~~
<p>John, I really enjoyed your site, but I think with a few changes
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<br>your link buttons to the left side column so visitors don't
<br>have to scroll way way down to the bottom of the page to
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<p>On your purposestatement page, you don't need the bright
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<br>visitors have already been welcomed at the home page.
<p>On your testimony page I saw a link to your mailing list.
<br>Have this as a separate link button to make it more
<br>noticeable and get more people to sign up. Also, you might
<br>want to add a 'recommend to a friend' link.
<p>I liked your left column borders, and they did relate nicely,
<br>but I think they made the pages load slooowly. If you stuck
<br>with one border, I'm thinking it would speed up the loading
<br>of all the pages.
<p>I liked the name of your website, it went well with your
<br>subject and focus. Some things I really enjoyed - your
<br>personal touch and message throughout the site, the
<br>calming feeling of the design, the testimonies. In fact,
<br>just keep building the content - it's great. With some
<br>changes to the layout, and contacting other sites for
<br>trading links you'll have a successful website.
<br>~~~~
<p>This site needs desperately to optimize all graphics.
<br>I waited and waited and it never did completely load.
<br>~~~~
<p>First impression while uploading: very appealing&nbsp; as the
<br>border came up immediately. Then the doves showed up
<br>and I did not like them at all. Takes up time to load and
<br>distracts from the text. I would not have them. If you feel
<br>you just have to have doves, stick to the static picture.
<br>No animation.
<p>The "witness on the web" Logo took forever to load up.
<br>Could that be done in just writing, without the background
<br>or what ever slows it down?
<p>The opening portion&nbsp; one sees initially before scrolling looks
<br>good except for the doves up on top.&nbsp; But when one scrolls
<br>down to all these banners, links etc, things get really confusing.
<br>Would there be a way you can have a few link buttons that
<br>go to additional pages rather then to have all of this clutter
<br>down below? I never did link to any of the other pages or sites.
<br>Hope this helps.
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From eric at badtux.org  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: eric at badtux.org (Eric Lee Green)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Jim Bell "Disappeared" by Feds?
Message-ID: <mailman.129.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:10:27 GMT, Eric Cordian <emc at artifact.psychedelic.net>
 wrote:
>Bell has been jailed.  Here we see the real use of Federal anti-stalking
>laws - to protect government whores from the citizens they harrass. 
>
>http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,40300,00.html

Interesting. Couple of things: 

1) Jim Bell dont come across as the brightest of bulbs. Of course,
its difficult to tell whether this is true, or whether its just a
smear job (inadvertant or otherwise -- Ive had my own problems with
Wired reporters misquoting me in order to "add color" to their
reporting). Still, publicizing a system for assassinating political
figures, and expecting said political figures to abide by the 1st
Amendment protections regarding free speech, is stupidity beyond
stupidity. If the government wants to squash you, they can do so --
they can seize all your assets under RICO (including all assets that
would be needed in order to hire a lawyer to get your property back),
crooked cops can lie under oath and say they found drugs in your
possession with little recourse, and innocent people are sent to jail
every day because it allows some harried police lieutenant to close
out a file and look like a hero to the general public for "solving a
crime" -- according to one study by a university law school, up to 70
of the people convicted of crimes are actually innocent, and were
convicted because they were (illegally) deprived of the opportunity to
conduct a defense (due to rampant underfunding of public defenders
offices, and the RICO statutes which allow the government to seize all
funds that could be used to conduct a defense, most people who are
arrested do not even get to see their lawyer before the start of the
trial -- in blatant disregard of the Constitution of the United
States). And nobody cares, because the police are careful to target
"those" people -- people who are poor, who are ignorant, or whose
actions can be easily spun to make them appear dangerous or
insane. Jim Bell wants to take on the Feds? What a moron!

2) Jim Bell also comes across as rather paranoid. Of COURSE hes being
observed (at least occasionally) by federal law enforcement
agencies. He is an ex-con, for cryin out loud, whenever a law is
broken, the law comes looking at ex-cons first cause theyre the most
likely cause of a law being broken. Its not paranoid to notice this,
but its certainly paranoid to take the actions he has taken about
that observation. I guess being held on trumped-up charges for his
first conviction (i.e., possession of household chemicals now
illegal!) warped his head, but what did he expect when he published a
paper describing a system for rewarding assassination of political
figures? I mean, what, he thought the 1st Amendment was something
other than toilet paper that law enforcement officers wipe their rears
with every day? (Actually, they usually dont care about the 1st, its
the 4th, with their unconstitutional seizures of property under the
RICO statute, that they wipe their rears with every day, but
still...).

3) He is being held without bail. This appears to be a new tactic used
by law enforcement to punish people that they know they dont have
enough evidence to convict. For example, in Wilmington, North
Carolina, a student commented about the Columbine killings, "those
kids were stupid, if they wanted to kill jocks they should have
started at the gym, not at the library." He was jailed without bail on
charges of "making threatening statements". His parents were irate,
because typical punishment in North Carolina for first offense of
"making threatening statements" is a $500 fine and probation. The
judge and sheriffs office kept him jailed without bail as "being a
dangerous threat", in full defiance of the Constitution of the United
States and its constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech and due
process, because they wanted to "teach a lesson". They taught a
lesson, alright -- thats one kid who will never trust government
again.

4) Its interesting that federal law enforcement agencies view the
identification of their officers as a threat. It reminds me of fascist
police officers in Serbia who taped over their badges so that the
demonstrators could not identify the people who were depriving them of
their rights. It appears that even identifying and filing a public
complaint against a federal law enforcement officer (i.e., publishing
a copy of that complaint on your web site as well as via "official
channels") could be construed as a "terrorist threat" under the
federal statute that was quoted.

I think that many Americans are rather sanguine about their freedoms.
We have forgotten that only fifty years before, a
government-sanctioned and government-enforced system of apartheid
systematically and with full government force deprived civil rights
from a full 1/5th of the population of the United States. We have
forgotten that, only 30 years ago, citizens of the United States were
being killed by the National Guard for the crime of being near a
demonstration against a war they disagreed with. Freedom is not
something that is built into our country.  Freedom must be purchased
with blood, the blood of four little girls killed by those who bombed
a church in Birmingham Alabama, the blood of civil rights workers
murdered in cold blood in Mississippi with the full knowledge of
government officials of the State of Mississippi, the blood of
anti-war demonstrators in Ohio. Today we have forever deprived a full
1/5th of the black male population of many cities of the right to
vote, with full government sponsorship and enforcement, but for some
reason nobody seems to see it because government has been careful to
target "those" people, people whose skin color is "not like ours",
those nasty smelly poor people, and other such "undesirables".
Apparently Americans believe that civil rights guaranteed by the
Constitution only apply if youre white and middle-class.

I think that many Americans are also sanguine about their continued
freedom. All I have to note is that in 1984, Yugoslavs rejoiced in the
afterglow of the Sarajevo Olympics, a glowing testament to their
democratic government and modern attitudes and sensibilities.
Yugoslavia rejoiced in joining the community of modern European
nations. Their booming economy even sold cars here in the United
States (the infamous Yugo). A scant 10 years later, Yugoslavia was in
the grip of a fascist dictatorship who used "ethnic cleansing" to
tighten his grip on power, its economy was in ruins, and the nation
had broken up into ethnic pieces warring upon each other. The lesson:
a booming democracy can turn into a fascist dictatorship in almost no
time at all.

Whoops, I guess this message puts me on the governments "terrorist
hit list". Note to feds -- the only guns I own are a couple of antique
shotguns inherited from my father and my grandfather, the only
dangerous chemicals I own are normal household cleaners, the only
cyber-terrorism Ive ever advocated is the ghastly notion of calling
public officials damned liars on the Web when they lie to us. I am a
liberal in the classic sense, who believes that government has a
purpose and is necessary for the furthering of the general good but
that its powers must be limited and carefully controlled by the people
in order to avoid turning into a fascist dictatorship that only
pretends to be a democratic republic (thus my distaste when our
government violates the Constitution of the United States with willful
disdain). I am also a committed pacifist who believes that all killing
is morally wrong, even when done in self defense or in war time (I do
recognize that man is an animal who like all animals possesses a
survival instinct and thus killing in self defense must be expected,
but animal instinct is not a moral defense). Good luck painting me as
a crazed Unibomber out to murder folks.

-- 
Eric Lee Green      There is No Conspiracy
eric at badtux.org     http://www.badtux.org






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From admin at marketaccess.org  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: admin at marketaccess.org (Government Best Practices Training Series)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: New Security/Privacy Regs for Federal Agencies - OMB 7-16 - Over
Message-ID: <mailman.130.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

200 government execs in attendance
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:57:56 -0400

To: rah at ibuc.com    ***Excellent networking opportunity for government
support contractors and product suppliers


***See below for detailed list of speakers and early registrants.

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Strategies for Data Breach Prevention, Mitigation and Notification


An In-depth Look at OMB M-07-16

July 18, 2007
Capital Hilton

Washington, D.C.

***PLEASE NOTE CHANGE OF VENUE***

This event is NO longer taking place at the Ronald Reagan Building and
International Trade Center. It will be held at the Capital Hilton.
Registrations exceeded original estimates.

***Complimentary to Government Employees***

Keynote Speaker: Karen Evans, Administrator of E-Government and Information
Technology, OMB


About this Conference

After multiple agency exposures to identity theft, in May 2006 President
Bush created the Identity Theft Task Force to develop a comprehensive
strategic plan for steps that the federal government could take to combat
identity theft and provide recommended actions that could be taken by the
public and private sectors. In April 2007 the task force submitted its plan
to combat identity theft to the President. As a response to the plan, on
May 22, 2007 the OMB released M-07-16, which requires federal agencies to
develop and implement breach and notification policies within 120 days.

M-07-16 requires that federal agencies develop notification policies that:

Review existing requirements with respect to privacy and security

Include existing and new requirements for incident and handling

Include existing and new requirements for external breach notification

Develop policies that concern the responsibilities of individuals
authorized to access personally identifiable information

With the agencies required to develop and implement policies and procedures
in such a short period of time, the Strategies for Data Breach Prevention,
Mitigation and Notification Briefing is designed to break down the
requirements of M-07-16 and provide guidance and suggestions for agencies
in developing policies and plans. You will be given a complete overview of
the mandate and learn tactics and solutions available to develop policies
in cost-effective ways that fulfill the requirements of the mandate and
strengthen agencies' information systems and data.


What You Will Learn

- How to address the requirements of M-07-16
- Cost effective solutions and strategies to develop sound identity theft
policies
- How to train staff to adhere to new policies
- Government, Industry, Analyst and Media perspective on identity theft and
M-07-16

Who Should Attend

- Security personnel responsible for collecting and maintaining identity
information
- Executive level managers & administrators: network, systems,
infrastructure, and security
- Executives responsible for implementing, planning or maintaining
information systems
- Federal, state and local managers with security responsibilities
- Security infrastructure executives
- IT public sector systems integrators 



Speakers



- Karen Evans, Administrator of E-Government and Information Technology,
Office of Management and Budget

- Hugo Teufel III, Chief Privacy Officer, Department of Homeland Security

- Marc Groman, Chief Privacy Officer, Federal Trade Commission

- Mischel Kwon, Department of Justice



Early Registrants Include



Organization/Company Title U.S. General Services Administration Agency
Expert, Federal PKI U.S. Courts AO-OIT-IT Security Office EMC Corporation
Area Manager, DoD U.S Census Bureau Assistant Division Chief CACI Assistant
to DON CIO Mission Assurance Team Lead BoozAllenHamilton Associate FDIC
Associate Director National Gallery of Art Associate General Counsel TSA
Asst Chief Counsel, Information Law Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation
Asst. Inspector General for Investigations TSA Attorney -Advisor TSA
Attorney Advisor, Procurement Law SSA Attorney, Office of General Law TSA
Attorney, Office of the Special Counselor TSA Attorney-Advisor TSA
Attorney-Advisor U.S. Courts Audit Manager IRM/OPS/ITI/ISI/PKI BLADE
program manager Info Sec, Inc Business Development Northrop Grumman
Business Development Manager National Gallery of Art Chief Information
Officer Federal Trade Commission Chief Information Security Officer SSA
Chief Information Security Officer U.S. Coast Guard Chief of Office of
Information & Security Management Office of Personnel Management Chief,
Plans and Policies Group U.S. Department of State CIRT Analyst DHHS
Contract Compliance Officer DOD COTR Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation
Criminal Investigator Department of Commerce Data Management & Stewardship
Staff National Gallery of Art Deputy Administrator National Gallery of Art
Deputy Chief of Special Projects / Information Technology National Gallery
of Art Deputy Personnel Officer National Gallery of Art Deputy Secretary,
General Counsel Department of Veterans Affairs Deputy, ADAS Office of
Privacy & Records Management SSA DII Policy Lead EMC Corporation Director
Sales, DoD & Intelligence Community Department of the Treasury Director,
Information Services Directorate USDA Director, Information Technology
Division EMC Corporation Director, Sales Operations OPIC Director, Security
& Administrative Services Engineering Systems Solutions, Inc Director,
Veterans Affairs SSA Executive Director, Office of Public Disclosure NSF
FOIA/Privacy Act Officer EMC Corporation Global Acct Manager, Northrop
Grumman APPTIS Information Security Architect Office of Administrative Law
Judges Information Security Officer Department of Labor Information
Security Officer CMS/ OIS Information Security Specialist Federal Election
Commission Information System Security Officer U.S. Courts Information
Technology Security Officer Department of Veterans Affairs Information
Technology Specialist U.S. Department of State Information Technology
Specialist Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation Investigator PBGC
Investigator Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation Investigator Technician
Fairfax County IT Assistant US Government Printing Office IT Security  U.S.
Office of Personnel Management IT Security Officer Department of Labor, OIG
IT Specialist U.S. Department of Labor IT Specialist Office of the
Inspector General, Department of Labor IT Specialist U.S. Office of
Personnel Management IT Specialist U.S. EPA IT Specialist U.S. EPA IT
Specialist Department of the Treasury IT Specialist U.S. Department of
State IT Specialist U.S. State Department IT Specialist/Security Federal
Trade Commission Law Clerk U.S. EPA Management Integrity Advisor DOC
Manager, Critical Infrastructure Protection Program AAMVA Manager, State
Government Affairs Niksun, Inc National Account Manager IMS, Inc Network
Administrator IMS, Inc Network Administrator U.S. Department of Commerce
OCIO U.S. Department of Commerce OCIO, Chief of Staff Department of
Veterans Affairs Office of Privacy & Record's Management Department of
Veterans Affairs Office of Privacy & Record's Management Department of
Veterans Affairs Office of Privacy & Record's Management Department of
Justice Operations Services Staff U.S. Office of Personnel Management  OPM
Forms, PRA, Records and GPEA Officer DOD PM SSA Policy Analyst U.S.
Department of State Policy and Awareness Team NASA  Privacy Act and Records
Officer EPA Privacy Act Officer Peace Corps Headquaters Privacy Act
Specialist NSF Privacy Advocate TSA Privacy Analyst California Dept of
Public Health Privacy Officer and General Counsel OPM Privacy Program
Manager Department of Veterans Affairs Program Analyst SSA Program Analyst
Treasury- FMS Program Analyst Department of Veterans Affairs Program
Analyst FDA Program Analyst Department of Veterans Affairs Program Manager
Niksun, Inc Regional Sales Manager Secure Agent Software Sales Executive
Department of the Treasury Security Specialist National Gallery of Art
Security Specialist Overseas Private Investment Corporation Senior Advisor
BoozAllenHamilton Senior Associate Intersections Inc Senior Director,
Security Services APPTIS Senior IT Security Analyst APPTIS Senior IT
Security Analyst FDIC Senior IT Specialist U.S. Department of State Senior
Legal Analyst United States Mint Senior Risk Analyst IRS Senior Security
Architect DOC CIRT Senior Security Specialist RSA Security Sr. Manager,
Americas Field Marketing OPM Sr. Project Manager Department of Veterans
Affairs Staff Assistant Department of the Treasury Summer Intern U.S.
Courts Supervisory Human Resources Specialist SSA/ODAR Systems Security
Officer Department of Commerce Team Lead, Data Management & Stewardship
Staff EMC Corporation Technology Business Consultant DHS Technology Trends
Engineer Az-Tech VP Engineering Systems Solutions, Inc VP, Business
Development SRA International VP, Deputy Director Business Technology
Offerings Northrop Grumman   EMC Corporation   Department of Veterans
Affairs   Woodrow Wilson In't Center for Scholars   Department of Justice
DoD   National Gallery of Art 



Sponsors

- EMC

- RSA

- Patriot

- Government Horizons

- Carrolls Publishing

- Homeland Defense Journal



Registration Charges

Industry - $195 per person
Government - Complimentary - Must register by contacting Katie Smith at
(703) 807-2758, emailing her at ksmith at marketaccess.org or faxing the
provided Registration Form to (703) 807-2728

Registration Options

[1] Register on-line at www.homelanddefensejournal.com
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[4] Fax the Registration Form provided below to: (703) 807-2728
[5] Mail the Registration Form provided below to:

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Location Information

***Please Note the Change of Venue***

This event is NO longer taking place at the Ronald Reagan Building and
International Trade Center. It will be held at the Capital Hilton, just a
few blocks away

The conference will be held at the Capital Hilton, 1001 16th Street, NW,
Washington, DC 20036 (202) 393-1000. The hotel is located only a few blocks
from 3 different Metro Stations: Farragut North (Red Line), Farragut West
(Blue & Orange Lines), McPherson Square (Blue & Orange Lines).

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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14.21.17 +0100
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From brainteaser at subdimension.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: brainteaser at subdimension.com (brainteaser at subdimension.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: CDR: Re: semi-anon test from a throwaway account part deux
Message-ID: <mailman.131.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Jim Choate wrote:

> Money order sales are recorded on video camera. [snip]
>
> A check has your name and address.
>
> The only way to pay in cash is two either send it through the mail (you
> do know about the cash sniffing dogs used at the UPS and airports don't 
> you?) or stop by in person. Which means that they'll have a receipt and 
> at least on person who has seen your face.

So am I right in saying there isn't, and never really was, a way of
making truly anonymous transactions?

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From freematt at coil.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Ian Grigg's Crypto Fiction Choices
Message-ID: <mailman.132.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

http://www.iang.org/crypto_fiction/


Crypto Fiction

Crypto novels are not that common. It's an esoteric subject that 
remains too small to even justify a niche title. Most of the 
treatments relate to only fringe interests.

There is a bit of a revival in crypto interest within the 90's 
science fiction genre. This can be traced back to authors who are 
influenced by the net, and geographically, it's clear that the main 
stars in this revival hail from or are influenced by the bay area and 
the cypherpunks movement.

For what it's worth, and to generate some commissions for Cryptix, I 
list here some crypto novels I've read. I rate them with bits of 
entropy, as a sort of reverse correlation with relevance. This rating 
isn't necessarily a view that this book is good or bad, just that it 
has a valued combination of readability and cryptology.

If you're looking for a present for that pesky relative that keeps 
asking "so, what is it that you do?" then you may find the answer 
below.

Cryptonominon

The leading light in the crypto novel scene has to be Cryptonomicon. 
This book, the fourth by trail blazing net author Neal Stephenson, is 
recent, having been published in mid 1999, and remains the only 
financial cryptography novel I have come across.

Cryptonomicon is an achievment, with a deserved 5 random bits of 
entropy, and it will become the novel against which all others are 
compared.

In brief, Randy Waterhouse and his startup companions embark on 
laying fibre around the Phillipines. Whilst building, new 
opportunities arise, chief of which is the combination of a local 
Sultan who wishes to build a data haven, and a rumour of a mountain 
of lost gold.

What lifts this book out of the ordinary, and indeed, camoflages the 
fairly simple plot, is the two intertwined threads separated by two 
generations. Randy's grandfather and a WWII team of crypto scientists 
work on dampening the Axis' ability to detect the Enigma cracks, 
coincidentally laying foundations for Randy's attempts to 
historically decrypt his forbears' trail. This historical story is 
fascinating, it takes the Enigma story well beyond what has been 
covered elsewhere.

The crypto content is superb. Mathematical basies, Turing and his 
bicycle, entropy, ciphers, are all woven into the story in a fashion 
that anyone with high school mathematics could understand.

Cryptonomicon has a deeper underlying significance that most will 
have written off as plot. Along the chase, Randy and his mates 
discover the opportunity of setting up a private currency, nominally 
based on the alleged gold. In crisis-ravaged Asia, where currencies 
fell as systemic failure swept through the banking system, gold- 
backed currencies, issued over the net, and cryptographically 
protected from all attackers, is the perfect entrepot forthe issuance 
of private money.

Recall that private currencies disappeared about a century ago, as 
the newfangled Central Bank idea, born out of Britain, swept the 
civilised world to mark the 20th century as one of government money 
and government inflation. For various reasons which we'll gloss over 
here - read the book - the time of private currencies has come again.

But it was not in the prediction of a new financial world that the 
subtelty of Stephenson's research, and indeed unnamed advisors, 
shows. It is in the fact that the model he presents for a gold-backed 
currency is state of the art, in an art that was forgotten a hundred 
years ago, and indeed was only poorly understood then.

Readers could even be forgiven for accusing the art to be stateless, 
if it wasn't for the existance of at least one tiny Internet private 
currency, backed by gold. It was these guys, the e-gold private 
currency, who airshipped me a copy to read and respond. But there is 
no response possible, as Stephenson got it right. Prospective private 
currency issuers now have a novel that will save them from countless 
mistakes, and I now have an answer to that question, "so, what is it 
that you're doing that takes you so far from home?"

Enigma

In all the fictional writings of cryptology, the Enigma machine takes 
pride of place. Enigma, is no different, but touches little on the 
machine itself.

Robert Harris, author of Fatherland, presents a story of spies and 
intrigue set amongst the paranoic secrecy of Bletchley Park. Like 
Cryptonomicon, the historical protagonist is a mathematician at the 
core of the code breaking effort.

This story is cryptologically valuable for its description of 
Bletchley Park, even to the workflow and passage of the information 
through the now quaint series of human I/O devices, computers, and 
analysts.

As a novel, it is well written and entirely readable, falling within 
the class of WWII / spies / detectives, and I rate it with 3 bits of 
entropy.

The Last Lieutenant

Corregidor features yet again in this novel about the collapse of the 
island fortress and the plight of the last remaining coding officer.

Showing more of the Allies side, The Last Lieutenant, portrays a 
story of espionage against the communications infrastructure of the 
Americans in the Pacific. A lot of background, a lot of machinery, 
and an inside view of the messages sent. Little actual cryptography, 
but worth some 3 bits of entropy.

If you like daring war stories, this one has it all!

A Fire Upon The Deep

I think Vernor Vinge would have to be my favourite science fiction 
author, just pipping out Stephenson. A Fire Upon The Deep is a tour 
de force of 90's science fiction.

It actually has very little crypto in it, so it is hard for me to 
award it more than 3 bits of entropy. The main players ship out of a 
port with a third part of a one time pad. The other two parts ship 
via other means - a security precaution.

The one time slice never makes it to its destination, but is used 
later in a last ditch effort to establish comms with the good guys, 
whilst being chased by the bad guys across the universe.

This is not a funny book, but Vinge's humour comes through with a 
single crypto joke which still makes me laugh. To enjoy the joke, 
you'll have to buy the book.

The Enigma

This book is about the machine, and therefore deserves its title.

Written by Michael Barak, The Enigma is the story of a con man who is 
offered a 'dirty dozen' deal: go to Europe and steal an Enigma, and 
all charges will be dropped.

It's actually quite readable as a story, but the crypto component is 
low to non-existant, unless you like reading descriptions of how the 
Enigma was constructed. For its irrelevance to the search at hand, it 
only gets one bit of entropy, but read it nonetheless if you come 
across it (quite difficult as its out of print, I found my copy at 
Roy's book club).

###

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Date: sun, 23 Sep 200110:06:47
Subject: Please visit the best trance sites in the world!!!
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From mp at misproductos.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: mp at misproductos.com (MisProductos.com)
Date: Wednesday 31-Oct-2001 21:44:12
Subject: Tenemos para t� estas ofertas terror�ficas
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From sneakattack63 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: sneakattack63 at hotmail.com (Lee James)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.133.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

irtheory-owner at yahoogroups.com
Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory at yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:37:20 +0100
Subject: RE: [irtheory] War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved.
Reply-To: irtheory at yahoogroups.com

I'd like to hear how children who werent old enough to pronounce the colour
were 'reds' who were rightly tortured (apparently) in your view, as well as
the many women raped and tortured at the hands of SOA graduates.

I'd also be keen to see evidence of this free-market success of which you
talk, because it isn't in central america for the countless millions in
poverty. Before, a person encourages free-markets elsewhere, how about
encouraging them in the United States in order to really test the theory
and give these nations a chance of economic development. The three most
successful industries in the united states (steel, agriculture and
techonology/military) are all state funded and protected in a exceedinly
'socialist' manner. There is no evidence in Europe of development occuring
in industry any other way either.

The defence of America and by proxy Reagan's crime in Central America is
alarmingly close to Hitler's defence of his Genocide and also Stalin's
killing of counter-revolutionarys (if we hadnt done it they wou;d have
killed more, theyre the threat not us etc).

Exactly at which point does a war (any war) stop being defensive because
according to the history books the US has never fought an aggressive war.
I'm not sure that it is defensive to defend a country against its own
people, when europe did so it was called colonisation.

>From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>Reply-To: irtheory at yahoogroups.com
>To: irtheory at yahoogroups.com, cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
>Subject: [irtheory] War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved.
>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:52:21 -0400
>
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>Hash: SHA1
>
>At 6:11 AM +0000 6/13/04, Carmi Turchick wrote:
> >Here is more about the connection between the death squads and the
> >policy of genocide and our own American facility, the School of the
> >Americas...
>
>Yawn. War, to paraphrase a famous American income-redistributionist,
>ain't beanbag.
>
>Yes. We taught soldiers, hell, thugs, even, to kill commies. It was a
>war. Remember?
>
>The commies were killing people too, remember? More to the point,
>they wanted to kill lots more. Deliberately, or worse, through their
>own ignorant mismanagement of the lives they would eventually have
>total control of.
>
>
>All those "innocent" people were either totalitarians or dupes.
>Lenin's "useful idiots". Even the nuns. Even the bishops. Even the
>nice Anglo church ladies from El Norte who thought that in a war
>between Ghandi and, say, Stalin, Ghandi would win. Bambi vs. Godzilla
>is more like it. Of course, like Lenin himself, ultimately, those
>"idiots" were like Ghandi joining the war on Stalin's side.
>
>[Okay, so, in actuality, Ghandi *was* on Stalin's side, economically
>and ideologically, at least, the world's most beatified useful idiot
>in that regard. Certainly Nehru was on Stalin's team, explicitly so,
>creating the world's second largest command economy after China's,
>dooming tens of millions of his countrymen to famine, and most of the
>rest to destitution -- for *decades* -- in the process, because food
>prices were *calculated* by a committee somewhere instead of
>discovered in a market like they're supposed to be, and because
>cheaper, superior, foreign goods and services were legislated out of
>Indian markets entirely. Except for the elite, of course...]
>
>
>"Liberation" theology, remember that? ["Liberation" being yet another
>communard verbal expropriation, like what they did to the word
>"liberal". War is peace. Or, in the case of "liberation", and
>"liberal", freedom is literally tyranny.]
>
>Remember Aristide's little ditty in praise of the "necklace"?
>
>Remember Ortega and the people whose property he expropriated, who he
>jailed, and those small-businessman "counter-revolutionaries" he
>eventually killed? He would have killed more if we'd let him. If
>Reagan had let him.
>
>Don't think the "innocent" Allende would have been any different,
>he'd already started the process of expropriation and confiscation of
>people's livelihoods, and eventually, their lives, when, yes,
>Pinochet took him out. Life is hard. War sucks. People die.
>
>And of course, there's the Sendero Luminoso, the "Shining" Path. Real
>humanitarians.
>
>Oh. That's right. Butchers like the Sendero's Guzman, like Ortega,
>or, these days, Chavez and Castro, are *heroes* to people like you.
>"Freedom fighters," or some such emetic nonsense. I'm a functional
>atheist (okay, a Unitarian; there's some pyroclastic irony for
>you...), but one of the best things the Pope did -- after helping
>first Thatcher and then Reagan *free* three-quarters of Eurasia, if
>you now count India, and start what is an irreversible process in
>China -- was to kill "liberation" theology in its metaphoric crib,
>before it literally killed tens of millions of people, much more than
>centuries of ignorance and cryptofeudal tyranny hadn't done already
>in South America. (See, speaking of Guzman and Sendero, the works of
>Hernando de Soto for more on that...)
>
>
>A nation-state, if you remember your first political "science" class,
>is about force and geographic monopolies thereof. Politics is about
>who controls and spends the economic rents that a force-monopoly
>violently expropriates from its citizenry, and about buying
>non-violent acquiescence in that expropriation through "social"
>programs and other forms of fraud, thus lowering the transaction cost
>of what would have been a more violent act of theft.
>
>As Mancur Olsen said in "Power and Prosperity", a prince is a bandit
>who doesn't move.
>
>Absent any *physical* brakes on his power -- be they economic or
>violent -- whoever is in charge of a nation state, and whatever elite
>he needs to keep himself in power, can do whatever they damn well
>please. It is only an armed (first) and educated (second), and thus
>*free* population that prevents them from turning into tyrants.
>Stalin, the subject of "Power and Prosperity" -- and ultimate model
>for erst-and-proto-tinpots from Santiago to Managua to Havana to
>Caracas, from New Delhi to Baghdad, from Phnom Penh to Pyongyang --
>being the canonical example.
>
>Your heroes, from the "liberation" theology Church Ladies to Castro,
>were about selling oppression to the masses.
>
>My heroes, certainly the people who ran, and, yes, those who
>graduated from, the School of the Americas, thugs and all, were,
>ultimately, on the side of good and right. And ultimately, by the
>count of democracy versus tyranny in this half of the world -- more
>important, by the count of free versus confiscatory
>crypto-and-neo-feudal markets -- it looks like they won, so they were
>on the right side of history as well.
>
>War ain't beanbag. Until we solve the problem of force-monopoly with
>free markets someday, war, and monopolistic violence, is,
>paradoxically, how we protect free markets, and, through them,
>freedom itself.
>
>Irony, apparently, is abundant in the universe, and, like matter and
>energy, force and fraud, it is conserved as well.
>
>
>Cheers,
>RAH
>
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From moviebuff at cliffhanger.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: moviebuff at cliffhanger.com (moviebuff at cliffhanger.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Using pictures as links <p>
Message-ID: <mailman.134.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

I'm changing my website and want to use pictures for the links to other pages. 
But, someone told me I should still put a 'click here' underneath all the 
pictures. To me, this removes all purpose of using the pictures.  <p>

How can I get across that you click on the pictures to get to other pages 
without coming right out and saying so? For example, I have a page with 
actor and actress information and just want to have a picture of my 
favorite stars to click on and change the picture every couple of days. <p>

Mark <br>
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From Zaak-Zaako at linkpaks.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Zaak-Zaako at linkpaks.com (Zaak-Zaako at linkpaks.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Access using a proxy <p>
Message-ID: <mailman.135.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From: CJ  (cj5000 at post.com) <br>
>Subject: Unblocking sites so I can access? (Issue #422) <p>

--> I am currently living in a place where the ISP is 
blocking 50% of 
the web. I was told by someone that you can unblock these web sites by 
using a proxy, but I don't know what that means. I am wondering is 
there a way to get access to these sites? -- <br>
<p>
A proxy is easy to use if you use someone elses, they can be tricky to setup yourself. 
I have had very good results with Surfola. Basically you surf to their servers and then 
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From WynPublishing-wynpublishing at iname.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: WynPublishing-wynpublishing at iname.com (WynPublishing-wynpublishing at iname.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Using A Proxy To Visit Blocked Sites <p>
Message-ID: <mailman.136.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From: CJ  (cj5000 at post.com) <br>
>Subject: Unblocking sites so I can access? (Issue #422) <p>

CJ, <p>

Two such sites that allows proxy surfing are: <br>
http://www.anonymise.com and
http://www.anonymizer.com . <p>

However, if you cannot get to that site then obviously it will not work. 
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<b>SITE REVIEWED:</b><p>

Comments on Site #123: <a href="http://netsbestinfo.homestead.com/nbi.html">http://netsbestinfo.homestead.com/nbi.html</a><br>
Dennis <br>
damorganjr at yahoo.com<br>
~~~~<p>

I reviewed site 123 and found the size of the font to be too aggressive and 
I don't like mustard yellow for a background. Also in the second or third 
paragraph is a misspelled word which should be "first-come" not as 
shown on the page.<p>

I feel a sample of the type of information offered in the newsletter should 
be displayed on the page as well as a sample of the free ads offered 
on the site. I will probably submit a free ad just to see the content of the newsletter.  <p>

As has been mentioned many times, some information about the person 
doing the page is always good.  We need some information about 
why this newsletter will be worthwhile to subscribe to. <br>
~~~~<p>

Dennis - I took a look at your site, and have recommendations 
for improving your page.<br>
1- I use Internet Explorer and view web pages with my text size set to 
'smaller'. The text you used was quite large, like a font used for a heading 
for all the text. By making the text size smaller it wouldn't feel like 
you were screaming at me. Also, the background was just too much.<br>
2- There were spelling errors in the text. Often it might be difficult for you 
to spot these yourself if you see the page all the time, but have a friend 
look it over. Spelling errors make the page look unprofessional.<br>
3- Offer a sample of your newsletter so people can see what it looks like 
before they subscribe. Also, if you are asking for a person to give you 
their email address, you MUST have a privacy policy and let them know 
they can unsubscribe.<br>
4- Think about adding a form for people to subscribe to the newsletter. 
It looks more professional than just offering an email address to send to.<br>
5- Offer information about yourself, and the kinds of information your 
newsletter contains. Maybe extend your site to include back issues or 
an archive to see what information you have offered in the past.<br>
6- Build another page for 'sponsoring info' and put prices on that 
page. Remove all pricing information from the home page.<br>
~~~~<p>

I feel that the background is a little too bold and busy for the text. 
I also believe that the text is too large which makes it difficult to read 
quickly, and forces the reader to scroll down unnecessarily. 
I noticed some spelling errors, and I think that a link to the classifieds 
site should be provided, and online payments should be accepted. 
A site that sells advertising should have advertisments on it!<br>
~~~~<p>

This is a very clear site with nothing interfering with the 
message.  I did not like the background colour, however that is 
personal, it did not detract from the information.  I was tempted 
to sign up for the newsletter but would have liked a link to see 
a current issue. There was an error in the wording (a word 
missed) which needs correction and I think the fonts could be 
smaller. Overall a non-confusing site which makes a nice change. *cheers*<br>

~~~~<p>

Could use a better background and the fonts are very large, there also 
are errors in the following paragraphs : 
"first com-first serve" and "to place a sponsor advertisement, 
send your to my email"<br>
~~~~<p>

A single page site. It is necessary to subscribe to the webmaster's 
newsletter to see what he's doing, and it doesn't seem to me to be 
a way to get people to visit. I wouldn't, for example. He claims to 
have lots of tidbits of information that, he says, we probably 
didn't know, and this is possible, but in my opinion, he would be 
better served if he at least put some of the things out there for 
all to see - when the appetite, so to speak, if he want people to 
subscribe. As it is, I would not bother.<br>
~~~~<p>

What does one expect from a site like netsbestinfo? Some useful 
resources and some useful tips and also some forms of easy 
advertisement on the net. But what we get here is a newsletter 
with the owner (whose email reads damorgarjr at yahoo.com) 
asking us to subscribe us to his newsletter for a free 4-line ad. 
He also tells of paid category of advertisements. This is all we get 
from a site which has a grand title. Even the information about 
the newsletter is hardly impressive and is presented in about 35-to-40 
points size which gets difficult to read. <br>
~~~~<p>

A neat enough site but the background could be a little hard on 
the eyes. There is only really one problem with this page - its 
just an advertisement for a newsletter. No, scratch that, its an 
advertisement to place free ads in a newsletter. A bold enough 
move perhaps but I learned hardly anything about the newsletter 
itself and immediately started worrying about getting a flood of 
ads to my email account so I didn't even subscribe. Presumably 
you'd want to get people to sign up so might I suggest splitting 
the page into the newsletter itself, perhaps a sample issue, 
a privacy policy and a promise not to drown in ads and then click 
for more info on your free ads. <p>
________________________________________<br>

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Teddy of course will be able to choose his favorite, and 
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<p>
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<b>    ANSWERS: </b><br>
     - Unblocking sites so I can access? <br>
       Z. OConan: Access using a proxy <br>
       G. Bendickson: Using A Proxy To Visit Blocked Sites <p>

<b>>> MEMBER SHOWCASES</b> <p>

<b>>> MEMBER *REVIEWS* </b><br>
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From moviebuff at cliffhanger.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: moviebuff at cliffhanger.com (moviebuff at cliffhanger.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Using pictures as links <p>
Message-ID: <mailman.137.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

I'm changing my website and want to use pictures for the links to other pages. 
But, someone told me I should still put a 'click here' underneath all the 
pictures. To me, this removes all purpose of using the pictures.  <p>

How can I get across that you click on the pictures to get to other pages 
without coming right out and saying so? For example, I have a page with 
actor and actress information and just want to have a picture of my 
favorite stars to click on and change the picture every couple of days. <p>

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From Zaak-Zaako at linkpaks.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Zaak-Zaako at linkpaks.com (Zaak-Zaako at linkpaks.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Access using a proxy <p>
Message-ID: <mailman.138.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From: CJ  (cj5000 at post.com) <br>
>Subject: Unblocking sites so I can access? (Issue #422) <p>

--> I am currently living in a place where the ISP is 
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the web. I was told by someone that you can unblock these web sites by 
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From WynPublishing-wynpublishing at iname.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: WynPublishing-wynpublishing at iname.com (WynPublishing-wynpublishing at iname.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Using A Proxy To Visit Blocked Sites <p>
Message-ID: <mailman.139.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From: CJ  (cj5000 at post.com) <br>
>Subject: Unblocking sites so I can access? (Issue #422) <p>

CJ, <p>

Two such sites that allows proxy surfing are: <br>
http://www.anonymise.com and
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However, if you cannot get to that site then obviously it will not work. 
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Comments on Site #123: <a href="http://netsbestinfo.homestead.com/nbi.html">http://netsbestinfo.homestead.com/nbi.html</a><br>
Dennis <br>
damorganjr at yahoo.com<br>
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I reviewed site 123 and found the size of the font to be too aggressive and 
I don't like mustard yellow for a background. Also in the second or third 
paragraph is a misspelled word which should be "first-come" not as 
shown on the page.<p>

I feel a sample of the type of information offered in the newsletter should 
be displayed on the page as well as a sample of the free ads offered 
on the site. I will probably submit a free ad just to see the content of the newsletter.  <p>

As has been mentioned many times, some information about the person 
doing the page is always good.  We need some information about 
why this newsletter will be worthwhile to subscribe to. <br>
~~~~<p>

Dennis - I took a look at your site, and have recommendations 
for improving your page.<br>
1- I use Internet Explorer and view web pages with my text size set to 
'smaller'. The text you used was quite large, like a font used for a heading 
for all the text. By making the text size smaller it wouldn't feel like 
you were screaming at me. Also, the background was just too much.<br>
2- There were spelling errors in the text. Often it might be difficult for you 
to spot these yourself if you see the page all the time, but have a friend 
look it over. Spelling errors make the page look unprofessional.<br>
3- Offer a sample of your newsletter so people can see what it looks like 
before they subscribe. Also, if you are asking for a person to give you 
their email address, you MUST have a privacy policy and let them know 
they can unsubscribe.<br>
4- Think about adding a form for people to subscribe to the newsletter. 
It looks more professional than just offering an email address to send to.<br>
5- Offer information about yourself, and the kinds of information your 
newsletter contains. Maybe extend your site to include back issues or 
an archive to see what information you have offered in the past.<br>
6- Build another page for 'sponsoring info' and put prices on that 
page. Remove all pricing information from the home page.<br>
~~~~<p>

I feel that the background is a little too bold and busy for the text. 
I also believe that the text is too large which makes it difficult to read 
quickly, and forces the reader to scroll down unnecessarily. 
I noticed some spelling errors, and I think that a link to the classifieds 
site should be provided, and online payments should be accepted. 
A site that sells advertising should have advertisments on it!<br>
~~~~<p>

This is a very clear site with nothing interfering with the 
message.  I did not like the background colour, however that is 
personal, it did not detract from the information.  I was tempted 
to sign up for the newsletter but would have liked a link to see 
a current issue. There was an error in the wording (a word 
missed) which needs correction and I think the fonts could be 
smaller. Overall a non-confusing site which makes a nice change. *cheers*<br>

~~~~<p>

Could use a better background and the fonts are very large, there also 
are errors in the following paragraphs : 
"first com-first serve" and "to place a sponsor advertisement, 
send your to my email"<br>
~~~~<p>

A single page site. It is necessary to subscribe to the webmaster's 
newsletter to see what he's doing, and it doesn't seem to me to be 
a way to get people to visit. I wouldn't, for example. He claims to 
have lots of tidbits of information that, he says, we probably 
didn't know, and this is possible, but in my opinion, he would be 
better served if he at least put some of the things out there for 
all to see - when the appetite, so to speak, if he want people to 
subscribe. As it is, I would not bother.<br>
~~~~<p>

What does one expect from a site like netsbestinfo? Some useful 
resources and some useful tips and also some forms of easy 
advertisement on the net. But what we get here is a newsletter 
with the owner (whose email reads damorgarjr at yahoo.com) 
asking us to subscribe us to his newsletter for a free 4-line ad. 
He also tells of paid category of advertisements. This is all we get 
from a site which has a grand title. Even the information about 
the newsletter is hardly impressive and is presented in about 35-to-40 
points size which gets difficult to read. <br>
~~~~<p>

A neat enough site but the background could be a little hard on 
the eyes. There is only really one problem with this page - its 
just an advertisement for a newsletter. No, scratch that, its an 
advertisement to place free ads in a newsletter. A bold enough 
move perhaps but I learned hardly anything about the newsletter 
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ads to my email account so I didn't even subscribe. Presumably 
you'd want to get people to sign up so might I suggest splitting 
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From ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com (Jim Choate)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.140.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> I also thought of an example where a famine was averted due to government
> intervention.
>
> The current hurricane in Belize. Had the government not stepped in and
> 'price fixed' the stores would have been depleted and cached by the few a
> week ago.
>
> Why in major disasters do prices go up, when it is clear this is contrary
> to the best interest of the market? That without price fixing the majority
> of people will be left without. Why is this hands-off philosophy not held
> accountable for its failings? I must assume that the resultant famine due
> to price inflation by the individual resource owners is still a result of
> that government interference. ;)

Jim, are you really THIS dumb? Nobody can be this dumb and live long.

There's no person called "market", therefore it has no "interest". It's a
decision of the current resource owners - and when demand increases (as in
the case of a major disaster), they *have to* increase their prices until
the supply is equal to the demand (if they don't, the first buyers will sell
what they bought on the "black market" to those who value it more). Basic
economics, even US public schools must teach that much.

The stores might have been "depleted", but the high prices would have made
it profitable to sell food there, and someone would have done that.
Furthermore, the expectation of high prices due to an impeding disaster
would have created incentives for "hoarding" - that is, gathering as many
resources as possible, which would have attracted imports BEFORE the
disaster. Price fixing destroys any incentive for spending now in order to
profit later.

Dumb americans.

Mark








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From all at biosys.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: all at biosys.net (Asymmetric)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.141.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> The D/H is going to be used just to generate a key to securely transfer a
> 4096 bit key for use in symmetrical crypto routines later in the program,

You want to use a 4096-bit key for SYMMETRICAL crypto? Hello? Not only I
don't know of ANY symmetrical algorithm with such a key, but why on Earth
would you need it for? What attack do you know against a 128-bit or even
256-bit key that doesn't work against a 4096-bit one?

> for actual encryption of the chat/voice/file data transfers.  Using 1024
> bits of D/H is fine to generate a key-encryption key to just transfer the
> 4096bit key.  I chose 4096 because it's large enough to be used in any
> symmetric crypto algorithm to max out it's key length.

What symmetric crypto algorithm is that?

> >The bigger risk, though, is the quality of random numbers available
> >for seeding your DH keys.  Don't even DREAM of using Delphi's builtins,
> >if it has them - go find good crypto-quality-randomness work to reuse,
> >unless you know you'll only run on Linux where there's /dev/random.
> >At least use sound-card noise or user-entered mouse tracks to help.
> >Lots of "secure" systems have been cracked by cracking their random
seeds.
>
> Of course. ;)

Did I mention that I wrote a Yarrow implementation in Delphi? <g> It passes
DIEHARD, but it hasn't been otherwise checked. [Public domain, btw.]

> First, It's GPL'd, or under a modified version of the GPL.  I find the GPL
> to be distasteful and it forms a barrier more than a bridge to continued
> software development.

I like this guy :) [All my code is public domain, but I hate the GPL for
*forcing* people to share. Communism at its best.]

Mark








From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
Message-ID: <mailman.142.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



Lynn.Wheeler at firstdata.com wrote:
>
> actually ... not really ... this was discussed early this summer as to what
they
> actually check ... and how trivial it is to fabricate necessary details to
pass
> such checking
>
> random ref:
>
> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsmore.htm#client3
>
> in general it is sufficient to have registered any DBA name & have a d&b entry
> plus some misc. other stuff ... all relatively easy to establish. Since the
DBA
> name & d&b entry aren't cross-checked as part of the SSL certificate
validation
> ... just the domain name in the certificate against the domain name used ...
you
> could be really surprised at what comes up for DBA names.
>
> I've had credit card statements that listed the DBA names which had absolutely
> no relationship to the name of the store I had been to ... which i eventually
> had to call both the credit card company/bank and the store to figure out what
> was going on.

This is not a comment on the crapness of PKI, it is a comment on the
crapness of Verisign. The two are far from synonymous.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think PKI is a perfect solution by any
means - however, it gets us nowhere to attribute the faults of others to
PKI.

Cheers,

Ben.

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: [Politech] Reason magazine cover story has unusual privacy
Message-ID: <mailman.143.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

theme
 [priv]


[Disclaimer: I was involved with the Reason article. --Declan]



http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/05/business/05reason.html

Putting 40,000 Readers, One by One, on a Cover
DAVID CARR
Published: April 5, 2004

When the 40,000 subscribers to Reason, the monthly libertarian magazine,

receive a copy of the June issue, they will see on the cover a satellite

photo of a neighborhood - their own neighborhood. And their house will
be graphically circled.

On one level, the project, sort of the ultimate in customized
publishing, is unsurprising: of course a magazine knows where its
subscribers live. But it is still a remarkable demonstration of the
growing number of ways databases can be harnessed. Apart from the cover
image, several advertisements are customized to reflect the recipient's
particulars.

Nick Gillespie, editor in chief of Reason, said the magazine, with an
editorial mission of "Free Minds, Free Markets,'' used the stunt to
illustrate the cover article about the power and importance of
databases.

"Our story is man bites dog," Mr. Gillespie said. "Everybody, including
our magazine, has been harping on the erosion of privacy and the fears
of a database nation. It is a totally legit fear. But they make our
lives unbelievably easier as well, in terms of commercial transactions,
credit, you name it."

Rodger Cosgrove, president of Entremedia, a direct marketing firm and a
member of Reason's board, assisted in coming up with a program that
allows the subscriber list to be integrated with satellite photographs.
He also worked with Xeikon, the manufacturer of the printer that made
the endless customization possible.

[...]

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From susanwunder-happycow at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: susanwunder-happycow at earthlink.net (susanwunder-happycow at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Netscape 6 ruined all my pictures?
Message-ID: <mailman.144.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


I need help and I don't know who to ask - I'm VERY new
at this.

I downloaded Netscape 6 and it has ruined all the pictures
I had scanned and saved when I had Netscape 4.  Can you
tell me how to fix it?  I tried to re-download 4 but I guess
once you have 6 you can't go back!  Every picture I try to
print now comes out all black.  Any suggestions?

I appreciate any help you can give me or someplace you
can tell me to go to look the info up.  Please keep in mind
the instructions you give me have to be VERY basic, I
know nothing!!!

Thanks so much  - Susan


++++ Next Question ++++


From PeterASteeves-logical at idirect.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: PeterASteeves-logical at idirect.com (PeterASteeves-logical at idirect.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: What does CPM mean?
Message-ID: <mailman.145.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Please tell me what does CPM mean?  I cannot even guess.  
 
Peter A. Steeves, B.Sc., M.Sc., Ph.D., P.Eng.
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<p>From: susan wunder&nbsp;&nbsp; - happycow at earthlink.net
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Netscape 6 ruined all my pictures?
<br>&nbsp;
<p>I need help and I don't know who to ask - I'm VERY new
<br>at this.
<p>I downloaded Netscape 6 and it has ruined all the pictures
<br>I had scanned and saved when I had Netscape 4.&nbsp; Can you
<br>tell me how to fix it?&nbsp; I tried to re-download 4 but I guess
<br>once you have 6 you can't go back!&nbsp; Every picture I try to
<br>print now comes out all black.&nbsp; Any suggestions?
<p>I appreciate any help you can give me or someplace you
<br>can tell me to go to look the info up.&nbsp; Please keep in mind
<br>the instructions you give me have to be VERY basic, I
<br>know nothing!!!
<p>Thanks so much&nbsp; - Susan
<br>&nbsp;
<p>++++ <b>Next Question</b> ++++
<p>From:&nbsp; Peter A Steeves&nbsp;&nbsp; - logical at idirect.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; What does CPM mean?
<p>Please tell me what does CPM mean?&nbsp; I cannot even guess.
<br>&nbsp;
<br>Peter A. Steeves, B.Sc., M.Sc., Ph.D., P.Eng.
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<br>~~~~
<p>Fun, neat site. Quick loading, and very easy to navigate.
<br>The design was simple, but it was easy to find things.
<br>On the joke page it said you could add your own jokes
<br>but I didn't see any directions or form to do so.&nbsp; I thought
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<p>I think this would be a great site to include your contact
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<br>~~~~
<p>Too many clashing colors.&nbsp; The links at the bottom need
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<br>~~~~
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<br>felt like it was missing something.
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<br>~~~~
<p>This is a very crisp and clean site. Colorful without being
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<br>I had to use my back button to keep going back to the
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<p>I was impressed with the selection of games, jokes, and
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<br>to, and that's something you could include (directions on
<br>bookmarking your site).
<br>~~~~
<p>Fun Site which was easy to navigate and pages were clean-
<br>looking. Had some fun playing some of the games which I
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<br>any HYPE or hard sell.&nbsp; Loved it... congratulations.
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Subject: PrivacyShield Alert - July 2004
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From HIIP at Harvard.edu  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: HIIP at Harvard.edu (HIIP at Harvard.edu)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Nov. 26: Barry Hurewitz, HIIP Seminar on Privacy; Nov. 29: Jerry
Message-ID: <mailman.149.1576007129.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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To: HIIP at Harvard.edu
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:07:35 -0500

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"Current Developments in U.S. Data Privacy Regulation"

Barry J. Hurewitz
Government and Regulatory Affairs, Hale and Dorr LLP

Monday, November 26, 2001
noon-1:30 p.m.
BCSIA Library, Littauer Room 369, 3rd Floor
John F. Kennedy School of Government

Regulatory protection of personal privacy in the U.S. has risen from
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Tim Berners-Lee, Director, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), and
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differentiated products and in
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From Jim  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Jim (Jim)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.151.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

*** January/February Project Update ***

Since our last update, we have launched two new projects (Business
Continuity Compliance and Status Reporting, Image Quality and Usability
Assurance Phase II), completed one project (Counter-Phishing Phase I), and
have added two new projects to our pipeline (Better Mutual Authentication,
Resiliency Maturity Model) in addition to Interoperable Verification of
Check Security Features.

[As a reminder, projects show up in this update only after it has a high
probability of launching.  We have a number of initiatives in earlier stages
of development.]

Our Standing Committees (SCOMs) and Special Interest Groups (SIGs) continue
to provide a forum for discussion that results in networking, knowledge
sharing, and action in the form of projects and workshops.  If you are not
yet active in one or more committees, please contact me or the committee's
Managing Executive.  SCOMs and SIGs are still open to non-members, however,
projects are members-only.

FSTC provides an action-oriented, collaborative forum for our members to
address shared business opportunities and challenges through technology
projects and knowledge-sharing.  We view our projects as our core activity,
and one of the key benefits of FSTC membership is eligibility to participate
in these projects.  In our efforts to keep our members and friends
up-to-date on the latest developments in these active and developing
initiatives, we provide our colleagues this periodic project update  As
always, please contact me or Zach Tumin, FSTC Executive Director, for more
information.  Or visit our website at http://fstc.org.

Active Projects:

1.  Counter-Phishing Phase I (completed Dec 2004)
2.  e-Authentication: Business and Technology Proof-of-Concept (launched Oct
2004)
3.  Business Continuity: Compliance and Status Reporting (launched Nov 2004)

4.  Image Quality and Usability Assurance Phase II  (launched Nov 2004)

Projects in Formation (soliciting commitments):

[coming soon]

Projects in Development:

1.  Interoperable Verification of Check Security Features
2.  Resilience Maturity Model (RMM): Phase I
3.  Better Mutual Authentication: Phase I
______________

ACTIVE PROJECTS:

1.  Counter-Phishing Phase I (completed Dec 2004)

http://fstc.org/projects/counter-phishing-phase-1/

FSTC has completed a first-phase initiative to address the problem of
phishing and related threats in financial services, as it affects the
relationship between customer and firm.  In collaboration with other
industry groups, the project team developed a suite of documents and tools
that allowed institutions to understand the comprehensive nature of the
problem, and understand the available solution options available to the
industry.  The project developed a detailed model of the problem, a
cost/impact model, the solution space, and a survey of over 60 solution
providers.  In addition, the project developed a next-phase proposal draft
for coordinated industry action to enable Better Mutual Authentication
(described below).

12 financial institutions and over 15 technology companies participated in
the initiative, and recently published the project's core findings and
recommendations to the public.  These documents are available from the FSTC
web site (link above).  A core group is currently developing a next-phase
initiative in Better Mutual Authentication, which is described below, and
other areas.  This project originated from the Security SCOM: co-chaired by
Mike McCormick of Wells Fargo, and Mike Versace of NEC.
(http://fstc.org/advisory/security.cfm)
______________

2.  FSTC/GSA e-Authentication: Business and Technology Proof-of-Concept
(launched Oct 2004, to complete in late March)

http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#eauth

This 5-month project is assessing the viability of the potential business
opportunity that exists for financial institutions to leverage their online
customer relationships and provide a federated identity-driven
authentication service to government agencies, and to integrate these
services into financial institutions' online applications. FSTC, jointly
with the GSA's E-Authentication Initiative Project Management Office (EAI
PMO), have launched a three-track project to ascertain the business model,
legal framework, and technical viability of using institutions' identity
credentials to permit consumers and businesses to access secure online
government applications through federation.

There are 7 financial institutions and 10 technology companies and other
organizations participating in the project.  An in-person meeting is
currently scheduled for mid-March in Atlanta, hosted by Bank of America. The
project should complete in late March.
______________

3.  Business Continuity: Compliance and Status Reporting (launched Dec 2004)

http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#compliance

The FSTC Business Continuity Standing Committee has launched an initiative
to assist the financial industry in coming to a common understanding on the
meaning of continuity regulation, prioritization of compliance related
activities, and creating efficiencies in documenting regulatory compliance
status. To establish a clear understanding of the regulatory environment, a
list of continuity related guidance will be pulled together along with the
name of the agency responsible. Each regulation will be reviewed and a
clearly worded summary of the continuity requirements will be developed.
Where possible the regulatory agencies will be contacted for clarification
on specific points. Common themes and requirements will be documented and
prioritized.

The project will focus on providing straight forward interpretations of what
is needed for an FI to comply with current regulations.

This project is sponsored by the Business Continuity SCOM, co-chaired by Tom
Hirsch of US Bank, and Damian Walch of IBM.  Please contact FSTC Managing
Executive Charles Wallen for more information  (charles.wallen at fstc.org).
(http://fstc.org/advisory/business_continuity/)
______________

4.   Image Quality and Usability Assurance: Phase II (launched Nov 2004)

http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#iqa2

In Phase I, more than 20 companies, representing 2/3 of US check volume,
most major vendors, and key industry associations, undertook a 90-day effort
to assess the impact of poor quality check images, and defined 16 technical
metrics and 4 usability levels that can be used to measure image quality and
usability in a standard and interoperable way.  The findings of the Phase I
project team justified further development, to test these metrics in a
real-world scenario, on millions of images, to determine the quantitative
thresholds for the 16 metrics that will define a minimum baseline "standard"
for acceptable quality images for the industry.

The business objectives are to maximize efficiencies, cost savings, and
ensure strong adoption of image exchange. The project will undertake a
robust, "real-world" analysis and test to provide actionable specifications
and direction to the industry to allow financial institutions, technology
vendors, standards organizations, and other key partners to collectively
implement baseline image quality and usability through industry
collaboration under the FSTC umbrella.

This project originates from the Check Truncation SIG
(http://fstc.org/advisory/check-truncation.cfm), co-chaired by James
Burroughs, Wells Fargo; Glen Ulrich, US Bank; and Ian Goodall, NCR. 7
financial institutions and 18 vendors and industry organizations are
participating.
______________

PROJECTS IN DEVELOPMENT:

1.  Interoperable Verification of Check Security Features (IV-CSF)

As a follow-on to the recently completed Survivability of Check Security
Features project (http://fstc.org/projects/csf/), this initiative will seek
to develop the business and technology foundation to enable interoperable
verification of check security features.  As a growing number of banks offer
their customers security features targeted at surviving the imaging process,
interoperability becomes an important enabler.  The objective of this
initiative, through interoperability, is to mitigate fraud risk for all
stakeholders (banks, customers, merchants, etc.) by shortening the time
between a check being presented, and the check verification process, and to
enable any receiver of a check to verify it as close to the point of
presentment as possible.

This project originates from the Check Truncation SIG
(http://fstc.org/advisory/check-truncation.cfm).  A whiteboard session was
held January 26-27 in Tempe, AZ, hosted by Bank of America and co-hosted by
JPMorgan Chase.  A full draft proposal will be published to the Check
Truncation SIG in the coming week to ten days, reflecting the refined
objectives and deliverables that were developed in Tempe.  Potential project
launch is in the March/April timeframe.
______________

2.  Resilience Maturity Model (RMM): Phase I

A group of FSTC member institutions and vendors met at the FSTC Technology
Recovery Roundtable, hosted by US Bank on October 6th in St. Paul.  At the
meeting, the group defined a potential project that would develop metrics to
evaluate an institution's resilience, much like the Carnegie Mellon CMM
model in software development.  Resilience in this context is an
institution's overall business continuity, disaster recovery, and crisis
management program.  The business objective of the project would be to allow
financial institutions to "rate" themselves and their key business partners
against industry-vetted definitions and metrics, and justify investment (or
not) where needed to achieve the desired level of resilience.

The group met again in New York on January 13th, hosted by JPMorgan Chase,
and further refined the concept with 7 of the top 10 institutions in the US
represented.  A proposal is currently being finalized, and will be published
in the next 7-10 days to the general public.  More than 8 firms have already
committed to participate.  If you are interested, please contact Charles
Wallen, Business Continuity SCOM Managing Executive, at
charles.wallen at fstc.org.
______________

3.  Better Mutual Authentication: Phase I

As a next-phase concept coming out of the Counter-Phishing: Phase I project,
the initiative will focus on establishing a blueprint for the financial
industry to establish better mutual authentication between customers and
financial institutions.  The three components of better mutual
authentication include: customer to institution, institution to customer,
and email communications from the institution to customer.  The objective is
to create a framework that supports individual institutions' efforts, while
defining a "blueprint" of requirements to ensuring a level of consistency in
customer experience (if affected), leveraging customer education efforts,
and establishing interoperability wherever possible and prudent.

An in-person, large-institution-only meeting is currently being scheduled
for mid-late-March to create the charter, objectives, and deliverables for
such an initiative. More information will be available in the coming weeks
under the auspices of the Security Standing Committee.

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18.09.38 +0200
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From herblin at stanford.edu  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: herblin at stanford.edu (Herb Lin)
Date: July 15, 2016 at 3:21:32 PM EDT
Subject: Call for input to President's Commission on Enhancing
   Cybersecurity - bridging the trust gap between the IT community
   and the US government
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development, promotion, and use of cybersecurity technologies,
policies, and best practices.  (See
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/02/09/executive-order-commission-enhancing-national-cybersecurity.)
I am one of the 12 designated commissioners.

Recognizing that trust is hard to build and easy to destroy (and a
variety of things have happened over the last 20 years have occurred
to do the latter), one issue that has come up is the enormous gap of
trust between the U.S. government and the information technology
(IT) community, from which many IPers are drawn.  This rift is not
helpful to either side, and I'd like to solicit input from the IP
community about what you think the government can do or refrain from
doing to help bridge that gap.

It would be most helpful if you could three things in your response:

1 - Your best examples of things the government (and what part of the
US government) has done to alienate the IT community specifically.
(Or, at the very least, show how the examples you provide connect to
the interests of the IT community.)

2 - Things that the U.S. government could realistically do in the
short and medium term (i.e., 0-10 year time frame) that would help
bridge the trust gap.  If your answer is "Don't do dumb things!", it
would be better and more useful to provide *examples* of what not to
do.

3 - Things that the U.S. government could realistically do in the
longer term to do the same.

Please send your responses to CENCinput1 at gmail.com.  (I set up this
email address, but I'd like to keep the traffic separate from my
non-Commission work email.)  I promise to read as many as I can
individually and share what I learn with the commission membership.

Also, feel free to circulate this call for input to anyone else you
feel would want to comment.

Thanks much

Herb

=======================================================================
Herb Lin
Senior Research Scholar, Center for International Security and Cooperation
Research Fellow, Hoover Institution
Stanford University
Stanford, CA  94305  USA
herblin at stanford.edu
650-497-8600 office || 202-841-0525 cell || 202-540-9878 fax
AIM herblin (any time you see me)
Skype herbert_lin (usually by appointment)
Twitter @HerbLinCyber
This message was sent to the list address and trashed, but can be found
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From business2 at tangfeng.org  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: business2 at tangfeng.org (business2 at tangfeng.org)
Date: Wed,28 ���� 2001 10:06:12 +0800
Subject: Beijing Tangfeng Culture Exchange Centre
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Xiu Yuan
Name: Beijing Tangfeng Culture Exchange Centre
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         China.
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From bear at sonic.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bear at sonic.net (Ray Dillinger)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: CDR: Re: Gnutella scanning instead of service providers.
Message-ID: <mailman.154.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Gary Jeffers wrote:
>
> >   If a scanner were written and widely deployed, then I think that
> >the problem of crushing Gnutella would be at least a magnitude harder.
> >Maybe the Gnutella support sites would promote and distribute such
> >a scanner?
>
> It is important to note that knowing where the doors are is as
> important to those who want to lock them as to those who want
> to open them.
>
> Bear

I'll just reply to both at once. I think that a scanner for Gnutella may be
quite an interesting proposition, and it certainly wouldn't be hard to make.
This would be much like creating a scanner for a webserver, and Code Red has
certainly shown us how effective that can be. I think Bear hit it rather
correct when he said that it could be used just as easily by those seeking
to shut down as those seeking to look. The question then is who would it
benefit more, and what would it cost each side to use it? The legitimate
scanners would not significantly benefit from a scanner. The scanner would
effectively clog the gateways of common homes for Gnutella servers, creating
a significant hazard for using Gnutella, and creating a mass slowdown of the
connection on those hosts, which would in turn slow the downloads, driving
users to use Gnutella less. The benefits for those looking to shut down the
sites would be much greater. They could not only locate and scan the sites
themselves for prosecution, they could release the tool and create a
massgrave of ISPs that allow the use of Gnutella through publication. Based
on this very coarse analysis I think it would be in our own interest to keep
the usage of such scanning tools to a minimum, perhaps having just a few
central servers that serve up lists of Gnutella hosts.
                        Joe




From FOX2000 at go2.pl  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: FOX2000 at go2.pl (Marek Salamaj)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Processor VIPER 
Message-ID: <mailman.155.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


I am a student from Poland. I learn in Zielona Gora on Technical 
University of Zielona Gora. 
I study computing and electronics. 
My science on that university persist five years, now I am on fifth 
year. 
My education on that of university ends when I write and execute 
M.A. thesis, therefore I apply to You. 

Subject of my work is "Modelling and Synthesis safety processor 
VIPER in VHDL". 
VIPER takes its name from "Verifiable Integrated Processor for 
Enhanced Reliability" - it is the world's first microprocessor for 
safety-critical applications. 
VIPER is 32-bit microprocessor which invented at (RSRE) the UK Royal 
Signals and Radar Establishment for use in highly safety-critical 
military and civil systems. 
This processor is safety processor, which is used to steer systems, 
in which error, or mistake can't appear during work of system. These 
systems should characterize high precision of action. 
VIPER is used at nuclear plants, on board a missile, or at a 
chemical refinery, it's going to happen: a catastrophic computer- 
related disaster. 

My work, I execute in VHDL hardware description language. This 
language, I have known on studies. 
VHDL takes its name from "V - Very High Speed Integrated Circuit and 
HDL - Hardware Description Language". 

I apply to You; Do You know something about VIPER ?; perhaps Your 
friends know something about this processor. 
If You know something about VIPER, Could You make accessible me all 
materials, documentation, algorithm of programs in VHDL or another 
languages what You have. 


Thank You, I wait for answer 

Marek Salamaj 

My personal details: 
MAREK SALAMAJ 
e-mail: FOX2000 at go2.pl 
	





From peter at peterswire.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: peter at peterswire.net (Peter Swire)
Date: November 7, 2014 at 8:46:30 AM EST
Subject: request for assistance for debate on encryption with former
Message-ID: <mailman.156.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

FBI General Counsel

Hello Dave:

On Monday, November 17 the New America Foundation will be hosting a
debate on the topic of FBI Director Comey’s criticisms of Apple and
Google for the encryption changes to their phones.  The moderator will
be Nancy Libin, formerly of both CDT and the Department of Justice.

Former FBI General Counsel Andrew Weissmann will be presenting the
Comey side of the argument. Andrew is an experienced litigator, former
head of the Enron Task Force and other major prosecutions.  I was in
school years ago with Andrew, and the debate will be on the merits but
not personal.  With that said, only the best arguments will work.

With that in mind, I was wondering if readers of your list might send
(off-list) resources to prepare for the debate?  Many people, in
diverse outlets, have been writing about these topics.  Although I am
currently in the midst of hiring a full-time researcher, I don’t have
that help at the moment.

If useful, I could circulate a bibliography once the debate happens.

For those in DC, the debate will be 4:00 to 5:30 p.m.  at New America,
address 1899 L St. NW #400.  it will be webcast, and may be on C-Span.

Thanks,

Peter


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From italyremailer at inwind.it  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: italyremailer at inwind.it (Anonymous Remailer)
Date: 20 Aug 2001 19.24.14 -0000
Subject: Bomb Law Reporter - special edition
Message-ID: <Z26WHKKT37123.8918287037@anonymous.poster>


Some damned coward hiding behind a remailer wrote:
> Someone seriously does need to start a node which only accepts posts
> from remailers.

Or a list.  One thing you know about an anonymous message - the poster
uses at least one cryptographic tool.  Too many "cypherpunks" not only
don't write code, they can't even use code.




From cybervit at onebox.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: cybervit at onebox.com (Mr. Mark)
Date: mer., 10 juil 2002 01:34:10
Subject: Business one
Message-ID: <200207100121.g6A1Lr99031128@ak47.algebra.com>


MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES
ACCRA, GHANA.

Dear Sir,

We write to solicit your assistance for a transaction of mutual benefit; believing that you will treat this with utmost confidence.  We implore you to excuse us of any embarrassment this letter might cause you, as we have not met before.

I have the mandate of my colleagues in Ghana to solicit for your assistance for a business/deal we want to execute with you.  We are officials of the Ministry of Health and Social Services (MHSS) in Ghana.  This Ministry awarded a contract of USD$115,800,000.00 (One Hundred and Fifteen Million, Eight Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) to a foreign firm for the supply and installation of Scan machines, X-ray machines, E.C.G machines, Foetus heart and Fasting blood sugar machines for all the University Teaching Hospitals in the country.

I and other senior members of my department (Contract Award Committee), in the cause of writing the contract, we were able to over-invoice the contract sum to the tune of USD$143,300,000.00 (One Hundred and Forty Three Million, Three Hundred Thousand United States Dollars).  And it might also interest you to know that the original contractor who executed the contract, have been paid their contract entitlement.

Now we are left with the over-invoiced sum USD$27,500,000.00 (Twenty Seven Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars), for our mutual benefit.  All arrangements have been concluded on how this money will be transferred.  Our constraints lie on the fact that we require a foreign firm to whom the money would be paid; the foreign firm will be portrayed as the beneficiary of this amount as a contract sum.  In fact, this is why l am writing you this letter seeking your assistance.

NOTE :  there is no risk involved in this transaction, as we have taken care of all possible loopholes.  As civil servants, we are aware that some financial assistance will be required to successfully effect the transfer of the funds.  For this reason, we have generally agreed to reimburse you with the sum of USD$4,000,000.00 (Four Million United States Dollars).  This would be your share in respect of your assistance, while the balance of USD$23,500,000.00 (Twenty Three Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) have been mapped out for importation of telecommunication equipment, and we also seek your help in this regard.

Please indicate your position on this matter.  If you are not willing to assist us, kindly keep the deal to yourself and inform us of your position.  It is also important l inform you that the officials involved in this transaction, are top government functionaries who have put in years of service in this country (Ghana).  Therefore, for the maintenance of personal integrity and prestige of all persons involved in this transaction, you are implored to exhibit utmost secrecy through out the duration of this deal.  You are strongly advised to avoid discussing this transaction with a third party as that could jeopardize the success of this transaction.

Meanwhile, all arrangements for the transfer have been properly organized and further action awaits your response to this request.  I am at the moment on official assignment in Ivory Coast.  In case you wish to speak with me, you can call me on 225 05 306057.  To enable you get through when calling, make sure you do not exclude any digit from the numbers.  (225 is the country code), (05 is the area code, dial the 05 exactly the way it is, do not exclude the zero).  

For confidentiality sake, please do not send me email, the email address is not a private one.  Give me a call and we would arrange a better communication.

Thank you very much.

Mark 




From Jim  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Jim (Jim)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.157.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

We are pleased to announce a "call for participation" for two new FSTC
projects.  Each has a committed core group of member institutions and
vendors who solicit further participation from fellow members:

1.  FSTC e-Authentication Initiative: Business and Technology
Proof-of-Concept
2.  Business Continuity: Compliance and Status Reporting Project
____________________

1.  FSTC e-Authentication Initiative: Business and Technology
Proof-of-Concept

Prospectus: http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#eauth

This 5-month project will assess the viability of the potential business
opportunity that exists for financial institutions to leverage their online
customer relationships and provide an authentication service to government
agencies, and to integrate these services into their own online
applications.  FSTC, jointly with the GSA's E-Authentication Initiative
Project Management Office (EAI PMO), propose to launch a three-track project
to ascertain the business model, legal framework, and technical viability of
using FIs' identity credentials to permit consumers and businesses to access
secure online government applications.

The GSA is funding the business track of the initiative.  There is no cost
to financial institutions, and a $5,000 fee for associate members.   In
addition, a resource commitment is required for all participants, as
outlined in the prospectus.  Participation commitments are requested by Sept
24th, and the target kickoff is the week of October 4th.

An informational conference call has been scheduled for:

Wednesday Sept 15th, 2pm EDT
512-225-3050, 71782#
__________________

2.  Business Continuity: Compliance and Status Reporting Project

Prospectus: http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#compliance

The FSTC Business Continuity Standing Committee proposes an initiative to
assist the financial industry in coming to a common understanding on the
meaning of continuity regulation, prioritization of compliance related
activities, and creating efficiencies in documenting regulatory compliance
status.    To establish a clear understanding of the regulatory environment,
a list of continuity related guidance will be pulled together along with the
name of the agency responsible.   Each regulation will be reviewed and a
clearly worded summary of the continuity requirements will be developed.
Where possible the regulatory agencies will be contacted for clarification
on specific points.  Common themes and requirements will be documented and
prioritized.

>From this list of common themes and prioritized requirements a questionnaire
will be developed which will allow a FI to provide or collect continuity
compliance status.  The project will focus on providing straight forward
interpretations of what is needed for an FI to comply with current
regulations.

The final product will provide:

.	A comprehensive list of all current regulatory guidance related to
business continuity, an overview of the requirements of the key components
and the agency that produced it.
.	Prioritized summary of the key continuity requirements that FIs must
address and the timing for implementing them.
.	Standardized questionnaire that FIs can utilize to collect or
provide status of compliance with continuity regulatory requirements.
.	An ongoing forum for discussion on regulatory direction and for
sharing feedback/experiences other FIs have had with regulators.
.	A documented process that can be utilized to allow FSTC and its
members to maintain the regulatory summary and questionnaire.

Project Fees:
---------------

Financial Institutions:
$15,000  Assets over $100 billion (including affiliates)
$12,000  Assets from $50 billion to $99 billion (including affiliates)
$9,000    Assets from $20 billion to $49 billion (including affiliates)
$3,300    Assets under $19 billion (including affiliates)

Technology Companies:
$15,000  Revenue/funding over $100 million (including affiliates)
$12,000  Revenue/funding  from $50 million to $99 million (including
affiliates)
$9,000    Revenue/funding from $20 million to $49 million (including
affiliates)
$3,300    Revenue/funding under $19 million (including affiliates)


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44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
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[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Protecting Our Children
Message-ID: <mailman.158.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



Makes it a crime not to keep the cough medicine in the triple
lock gun cabinet it also mandates?  Or just gives more money
to the DEA to seek Peace With Honor in the War On Drugs?
MacN

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> To be voted on in the House tomorrow:
> (9) H.R. 5312 - Protecting Our Children From Drugs Act of 2000
>
> It's not on Thomas, and I don't feel like dispatching my intern to get
the
> text, so your guess is as good as mine.
>
> -Declan
>
>






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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.159.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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From: <notify at attens.com>
Subject: How one can become a terrorist?
To: <rah at philodox.com>
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From PRGormley at aol.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: PRGormley at aol.com (PRGormley at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: FC: President Bush says military tribunals will try civilian cases
Message-ID: <mailman.160.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

It's simple, maybe unethical and way off the moral high ground we claim to be
staking out but effective and legal under the US Constitution. Make sure you
check for any text that says these protections apply to non-citizens.  While
I am unqualified to comment on the national security aspect of these issues,
there certainly are security issues presented by them. I quote the US
Constitution, 14th Amendment:

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject
to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor
shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due
process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.


Under this reading, the rights accorded under our federal constitution are
not extended beyond US Citizens without regard to location of those citizens.
I read this to require treatment by the US of US citizens abroad the same as
in the US.

- Paul Gormley
criminal defense attorney in Massachusetts

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Subject: Nada m�s, nada menos...
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From caldcvgmailcom  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: caldcvgmailcom (Chris ())
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.162.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

2011 10:45:13 -0400

________________________________
 
Once
law enforcement is effective enough to prevent the average
criminal from
having access to firearms, then the law-abiding population can
be compelled to
disarm. 
That day is coming through US force as "Operation Gun Runner" from
the
ATF allowed Mexican drug cartel straw purchasers to come in, purchase
5 or
so AK-47 rifles, and when the gun store owner had suspicions
about not selling
it - the ATF told the owner to "let the guns walk"
so the group could track
down the weapons. Unfortunately, those weapons were used to kill a DEA agent
in Mexico
and a Border Patrol agent who was only armed with bean bag rounds in
his shotgun then died trying to cycle out those rounds to put in live
rounds.
Also with al-CIAda patsy Adam Gahdan inaccurately reporting in his
latest
video to other jihadists about purchasing "automatic weapons"
from gun shows,
I believe the ball is rolling for everyone in the
United States to be disarmed
through force by new legislation to
outlaw weapons. I do not think the average
gun owner would ever disarm
because the gun culture in our country is so deep
and passionate in
any freedom loving citizen&apos;s blood. The Second
Amendment, in my opinion and most gun owners agree with,
was put in the Bill
of Rights for the average citizen to remove
tyrants if the process of
democracy does not work. 
At present, the average criminal in my area does not
have firearms, and so I
do not own one. Gun crime is on the increase, however,
so this situation may
change. 
Better get one before it&apos;s too late :-) --
--C "The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they&apos;re going to
be when you kill them." - Sir William Clayton




From 3diaz23 at msn.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: 3diaz23 at msn.com (3diaz23 at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: How do I increase my screen resolution?
Message-ID: <mailman.163.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

What  can  I  do  to  increase  my  computers  resolution.
I  want  to  increase  it  to  800x600 SVGA  display  configuration.

3diaz23 at msn.com


ANSWERS:


From SueMathis-suzanna27 at artlover.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: SueMathis-suzanna27 at artlover.com (SueMathis-suzanna27 at artlover.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: CPM and other advertising terms
Message-ID: <mailman.164.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From:  Peter A Steeves   - logical at idirect.com
>Subject:  What does CPM mean?   (Issue #443)
>
>Please tell me what does CPM mean?  I cannot even guess.

Hello Peter,

CPM is a term used in advertising, and there are other acronyms
you'll run across when looking into advertising.  These terms are
basically universal, meaning they are used in both offline and
online advertising.  Here are some of the more common ones:

CPM - Cost Per Thousand.  If you are buying advertising based
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out a form, all the way to an actual purchase.  The cost of this
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I hope this helps in your search for advertising.

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Selltheworldonline.com was very difficult to follow.  There was
much too much going on the first page and the frames on the
right weren't working at all.  Breaking it up and helping me get
where I need to go would be much better.
~~~~

I have my internet explorer browser set to the second to
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was hard to tell what was the most important information
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is needed on the home page with the text.

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And, why have the steps to follow on both the program
page and a separate steps to follow page?
~~~~

On the right track. Layout looks good. Maybe make the font
in the middle table a bit smaller so the page doesn't look
overwhelmed.  Using header tags will help also, i.e.  <H3></H3>
~~~~

There is a lot of information on this site, and that might scare
some people away.  But, reading over the information the
program sounds pretty good.  I think it would help to see
comments direct from Alex Shaw on how this is working and
if the whole site has only been viewed 21,000 times I'd like to
know when the program started.

The link to 'today's special' in the upper right hand corner
was very difficult to see, being black on dark blue background.
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<p>From:&nbsp; Sue Mathis&nbsp;&nbsp; - suzanna27 at artlover.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; CPM and other advertising terms
<p>>From:&nbsp; Peter A Steeves&nbsp;&nbsp; - logical at idirect.com
<br>>Subject:&nbsp; What does CPM mean?&nbsp;&nbsp; (Issue #443)
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<br>>Please tell me what does CPM mean?&nbsp; I cannot even guess.
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<br>Hello Peter,
<p>CPM is a term used in advertising, and there are other acronyms
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<p>CPM - Cost Per Thousand.&nbsp; If you are buying advertising based
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<br>would be much, much higher than buying advertising based on
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<p>I hope this helps in your search for advertising.
<p>Sue
<br>suzanna27 at artlover.com
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<br>~~~~
<p>There is a lot of information on this site, and that might scare
<br>some people away.&nbsp; But, reading over the information the
<br>program sounds pretty good.&nbsp; I think it would help to see
<br>comments direct from Alex Shaw on how this is working and
<br>if the whole site has only been viewed 21,000 times I'd like to
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<p>The link to 'today's special' in the upper right hand corner
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>Frankly, I think much of Al Gores desperation comes from his


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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
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July 17, 2001
Please Distribute Widely

Dear Colleagues,

The Narco Newsroom is now in New York City preparing for our hearing at the
New York State Supreme Court on Friday, July 20th, 9:30 a.m. in the Drug War
on Trial case.

Please attend Friday's hearing at the Courthouse at 71 Thomas Street,
Manhattan, New York (three blocks east of Foley Square), court room 205,
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We are also very grateful and pleased to announce that the Electronic
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to dismiss the Banamex lawsuit against the free Internet speech of Narco
News.

Enclosed, please find a copy of EFF's press release of today. Please pass it
along to journalists and freedom fighters everywhere, especially in the New
York metropolitan area, and invite them to attend Friday's hearing.

Immediately after Friday's hearing, in front of the Courthouse, we will hold
a press conference.

Shortly, we will be posting the latest round of legal briefs on Narco News.

See you Friday,

>From somewhere else in a country called Am�rica,

Al Giordano
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Electronic Frontier Foundation Media Release Advisory

Bank Pres Drags Journalist into NY Court Over Drug Expose

Electronic Frontier Foundation Urges U.S. Court to Respect Mexican Rulings

For Immediate Release: July 12, 2001

Contact:

Cindy Cohn, EFF Legal Dir.,
   cindy at eff.org,
   +1 415 436 9333 x108

Will Doherty, EFF Online Activist / Media Relations,
   wild at eff.org,
   +1 415 436 9333 x111


New York - The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) today urged a New York
state court to respect Mexican court rulings that have disallowed lawsuits
against independent journalist Al Giordano for publishing allegations of
drug trafficking by Banco Nacional de Mexico President Roberto Hernandez
Ramirez.

EFF seeks to protect the First Amendment rights of online, independent
journalists against the abusive "shopping" by large, powerful corporations
for favorable jurisdictions. The Mexican bank brought the case against a
Mexican-based website, produced solely by Giordano, the Narco News Bulletin:

http://www.narconews.com/.

"The EFF is concerned that the bank resorted to New York courts to try to
shut down this website because it could not do so in Mexican courts," said
Cindy Cohn, Legal Director for the EFF. "This kind of forum shopping
threatens to shut down one of the greatest benefits of the Internet --
giving a voice to independent, Internet-based journalists. Faced with having
to defend themselves in far-flung jurisdictions, many independent
journalists will simply choose not to publish on the Internet."

The case arises from allegations published on the the Narco News Bulletin
website that the bank president was involved in illegal activities in
Mexico. The EFF filed an amicus brief urging the New York court to rule that
it was improper for the bank to force Mr. Giordano into New York state court
for the statements posted on the website. The hearing on the case is set for
July 20, 2001.

Since April 18, 2000, Al Giordano has produced the Narco News Bulletin, an
online newspaper devoted to spirited investigative journalism on the
US-Latin America drug trade. Articles posted on the Narco News Bulletin
website have discussed allegations by others that Roberto Hernandez Ramirez,
the president of the Banco Nacional de Mexico, is involved in drug
trafficking. Some of these stories were reprinted articles from the Mexican
newspaper Por Esto!, published in Mexico by Mario Renato Menendez.

After failing three times to successfully sue Menendez in Mexico over the
allegations, Banco Nacional de Mexico now seeks to force Menendez and
Giordano to defend themselves in New York state court against the same basic
claims. The New York case groups together the allegations against the
Mexican-based website, hosted in Maryland, with statements made by Menendez
and Giordano in New York City on a radio broadcast and at a Columbia
University Law School conference.

The EFF amicus brief asked the Court to adopt one of two courses of action.
First, in order to deter abusive forum shopping, the EFF asked the court to
dismiss the case since Mexican law governs the dispute.
Alternatively, since Narconews.com mainly republished investigative work
done by others, the EFF asked the New York court to apply a distinct legal
standard for libel claims related to republished statements. The legal
standard requires that a republisher had, or should have had substantial
reasons to question the accuracy of the articles. EFF believes that this
higher liability standard for republishing on the Internet is necessary to
encourage the growth of Internet journalism.

About EFF:

The Electronic Frontier Foundation is the leading civil liberties
organization working to protect rights in the digital world. Founded in
1990, EFF actively encourages and challenges industry and government to
support free expression, privacy, and openness in the information society.
EFF is a member-supported organization and maintains one of the most
linked-to Web sites in the world:

   http://www.eff.org/


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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: New Legal Briefs: Friday's Hearing Heats Up
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June 17, 2001
Please Spread the Word

Dear Colleagues,

Just a quick note, as we race toward Friday's New York Supreme Court hearing
in the Drug War on Trial case, to let you know that:

- Two new legal briefs are now linked from page one:

http://www.narconews.com/

(Joint memorandum by Narco News Bulletin and I, and my own sworn affidavit
about the latest court Exhibit, "The Mexico Papers" with lots of interesting
drug war facts)

- Tomorrow we shall post the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) amicus
brief in support of Narco News' motion to dismiss the Banamex lawsuit.

- At press time, we have heard of another amicus (friend-of-the-court) brief
being filed on our behalf, and as soon as we receive it, we will post and
announce it.

Apologies for being so brief about the briefs. For a pro se defendant, this
is worse than cramming for the bar exam.

from somewhere else in a country called Am�rica,

Al Giordano
Publisher-on-leave, full-time defendant
The Narco News Bulletin
http://www.narconews.com/
narconews at hotmail.com

HEARING ON ORAL ARGUMENTS
NEW YORK STATE SUPREME COURT
FRIDAY, JULY 20, 2001
9:30 A.M.
71 THOMAS STREET
MANHATTAN
ROOM 205
JUSTICE PAULA OMANSKY, PRESIDING

HEARING IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND PRESS


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Why a separate WWW box issued a copy, I dunno.

There's about a dozen of the WWW boxes
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Processor VIPER 
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: [Neuclear-general] VERAX Beta Dollar the second NeuClear asset is
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I found the FTU's recent report on concealable weapons
(http://LB.wnd.com/FBI-weapons.pdf) interesting,
but find that it omitted a few possibilities, viz:

1. The pop-top steel lid on a can e.g., of catfood forms a sharp
edge when removed.  (I have a permenant scar on a finger
attesting to this.)  If half the disc were grasped in a cloth
it could be more effective than several of the items you list.

2. Similarly, the steel lid on e.g., a tuna can forms a sharp (and
flatter, and slightly more rigid) edge when removed with a can opening
tool.  A can opening tool can be very small, e.g., the military-style
can openers, which by itself is not dangerous.  Again, any piece of cloth forms a graspable handle on the resulting sharp-edged disc.

3. Even a beverage can, e.g., from a beer purchased in flight, can be
ripped into a sharp edge, although the thinness of the (typically soft
aluminum) metal makes this less effective than the above.

4. The large knitting (crochet) needles which I believe
the TSA admits could be filed into a sharp point, producing
a spike as effective as some you list.  As these are typically
aluminum, abrading them into a point would not be difficult.

5. It is possible that a skilled knife maker could chip a glass
bottle into a knife while in the restroom, producing something
comparable to the obsidian knife you list.  The production process
might be noisy however, unlike the above.

Comment, which you will no doubt ignore:
Given the facility with which weapons are improvised or concealed,
it might be a better idea to stop motivating the
actors, as distasteful as that might be to some in power.
Although some will enjoy the Israel-like police
state that foreign entanglement will otherwise drag the US
into, and some -perhaps your- careers might even advance faster
under such conditions.

Have a nice day

A. Citizen




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From gbroiles at netbox.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: gbroiles at netbox.com (Greg Broiles)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.177.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> I don't follow the other list you mentioned, so I don't know what the
> actual problem to solve is - my guess is that this is an anti-bot
> protection measure, intended to make sure that only human participants can
> engage in a conversation.

Yep, that's it.

> If that's the problem - or if it's similar - you'll also need to make the
> puzzle difficult enough that
> it's hard to brute-force or solve statistically - let's say you provide
the
> other party with 20 images,
> 19 cats and 1 dog, and ask them to identify the dog.
>
> What keeps a bot from answering the question 20 times? Let's assume the
> first arms-race countermeasure prevents answering the question more than
> once by generating puzzles on-the-fly from known cat and dog images - so
> the bot just picks an answer randomly, and keeps doing that until they
hit.

Oops... never thought of that.

> Can God create a rock so big he can't lift it?

No, just as he can't create round squares. What's that got to do with
anything?

> This sounds like maybe it's essentially a credentialling/ID problem, where
> you're generating credentials on the fly based on a short-form Turing
test.
> Can you restate the problem so that instead of a Turing test it's a more
> familiar multi-channel authentication process? (e.g., require new
> participants to have "introductions" from existing participants, track
> introductions, and remove the access for accounts found to be bots, or
> found to have introduced bots .. or similar.)

Well... one of the points of Freenet is to have anonymity (even if not
cryptographically strong, just statistical anonimity). I don't know how well
that can work with "introductions". [Maybe the public / private key
proposals - which I haven't followed up closely - could me modified to be
used as some sort of a pseudonym.]

Mark








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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13.09.46 +0100
Subject: Regalo
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From juicy at melontraffickers.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: juicy at melontraffickers.com (A. Melon)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Abortion Assasination Politics likely going to Supremes
Message-ID: <mailman.178.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


>
> So when is APster coming out, which lets
> you trade lists of deserving people?
>
>
>
> Tuesday September 12 5:11 AM ET
>      Abortion Web Site Verdict Appealed
>
>      By WILLIAM McCALL, Associated Press Writer
>
>      PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Anti-abortion activists are
>      asking a federal appeals court to overturn a $109 million
>      verdict by a jury that decided a Web site and posters listing
>      the names of abortion doctors and clinics were threats that
>      went beyond free speech.
>
>      The case is widely seen as a test of a Supreme Court ruling that
defined a threat as
>      explicit language likely to cause imminent lawless action - and a
measure of how
>      far anti-abortion activists can go in harrying doctors and clinics.
>
>      Oral arguments in the appeal are scheduled Tuesday before a panel of
the 9th U.S.
>      Circuit Court of Appeals.
>
>      At issue is a Web site called The Nuremberg Files that listed
hundreds of abortion
>      doctors accused of committing crimes against humanity and invited
readers to
>      send in doctors addresses, license plate numbers and even the names
of their
>      children.
>
>      Last year, the dozen anti-abortion activists argued the posters and
Web site were
>      free speech protected under the First Amendment. Critics called it a
hit list.
>
>      The jury was told by U.S. District Judge Robert Jones to consider the
history of
>      violence in the anti-abortion movement, including three doctors
killed after their
>      names appeared on the lists.
>
>      One was Dr. Barnett Slepian, who was gunned down by a sniper in
October 1998 at
>      his home near Buffalo, N.Y. Slepians name was crossed out on The
Nuremberg
>      Files Web site later that day.
>
>      In 1995, Planned Parenthood and four doctors sued the anti-abortion
activists under
>      federal racketeering statutes and the 1994 Freedom of Access to
Clinic Entrances
>      Act, which makes it illegal to incite violence against abortion
doctors and their
>      patients.
>
>      Jones told the jury the Wanted-style posters and Web site were not
free speech if
>      a reasonable person could perceive them as threats.
>
>      But a number of legal experts have criticized the February 1999 jury
verdict and
>      those instructions, saying a threat must be explicit.
>
>      If youre looking for a case likely to go to the Supreme Court, this
is one, said Lee
>      Tornquist, a law professor who specializes in the First Amendment at
Willamette
>      University in Salem, Ore.
>
>      Others consider the jury decision sound.
>
>      Margie Kelly, spokeswoman for the Center for Reproductive Law and
Policy in
>      New York, said Jones correctly told the jury to weigh any threat in
context.
>
>      This is a case that is built on history, Kelly said. You have had
years of arson,
>      shootings, death threats. How can that context be considered anything
but a threat?
>
>      The Georgia computer programmer who ran the Nuremberg Files was not a
>      defendant in the lawsuit. After the verdict, his Internet provider
pulled the plug on
>      the site.
>
>      Among the anti-abortion activists appealing the ruling is Michael
Bray of Bowie,
>      Md., author of a book that justifies killing doctors to stop
abortions. Bray served
>      time in federal prison from 1985 to 1989 for his role in arson
attacks and bombings
>      of seven clinics.
>
>







From Secu_rtyy at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Secu_rtyy at hotmail.com (Sicurezza)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 00.53.29 +0100
Subject: Kdefender
Message-ID: <3B8E3B42001482D7@mailrelay2.inwind.it> (added by postmaster@inwind.it)



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From: parkkinsen9 at mail.com (MARCUS  GARVIN)
Date: za, 19 okt 2002 07:29:02
Subject: URGENT  RESPONSE NEEDED
Message-ID: <200210190442.g9J4grgf044043@locust.minder.net>


ATTN: SIR.


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From ravage at ssz.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.179.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> > Socialism: state intervention in private transactions. By extension, any
> > state is socialist, or it's not really a state, but a company in the
defense
> > (and maybe law) business.
>
> The problem here is there isn't any issue of 'private property' so there
> can't be any 'private transactions' in a socialism. This description is
> more applicable to fascism.

Private transaction = transaction between two individuals / companies who
are both not employees / property of the state (not even partially). The
point being that I don't care if the gov't stops Clinton from selling his
daughter to someone else - he's a state employee.

Mark








From mp at misproductos.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: mp at misproductos.com (MisProductos.com)
Date: Friday 14-Sep-2001 13:30:10
Subject: Queremos que estes comunicado...
Message-ID: <200109141826.NAA06900@d1o702.telia.com>

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From securestore at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: securestore at hotmail.com (SecureStore)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23.49.06 +0100
Subject: Keydefender
Message-ID: <3B48CCEC00068F50@mail.jumpy.it> (added by postmaster@jumpy.it)



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From InfoRequest at wealth_topic.au  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: InfoRequest at wealth_topic.au (InfoRequest at wealth_topic.au)
Date: �., 14 �.�. 2544 02:11:48
Subject: InfoRequest 
Message-ID: <200111140915.CAA15614@emisc.moe.go.th>




Post fra midt-troms.net 
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
Message-ID: <mailman.180.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



Lynn.Wheeler at firstdata.com wrote:
>
> the current SSL domain name infrastructure supposedly exists because of issues
> with trusting the domain name infrastructure ... except the SSL domain name
> certificate issuer has to trust the same (untrusted) domain name
infrastructure
> when issuing a certificate (i.e. the SSL domain name certificate is no better
> than the authentication authority that the certificate authority has to rely
on
> as the final arbitrator of domain name ownership).
>
> one of the integrity issues with the domain name infrastructure ... is that
> domain names have been hijacked ... once hijacked ... you can go to
certificate
> authority and get a certificate with that domain name (and the certificate
> authority will check with the domain name system and confirm that the
requester
> owns the domain name).

The difference is that a CA _also_ binds the certificate to a legal
entity. When the fraud is discovered, the identity of the fraudster is,
too.

Cheers,

Ben.

--
http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html

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Date: 9/21/00 4:39:09 PM
Subject: CDR: Survey for New Service: Qchex !
Message-ID: <200010190334.UAA04445@toad.com>


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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Schneier: Why Digital Signatures are not Signatures (was
      Re:CRYPTO-GRAM, November 15, 2000)
Message-ID: <mailman.181.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



The Word example actually has other worrying problems not mentioned. A Word
document contains a lot of hidden information, including other versions. It
would be quite easy to sign a Word document that, when you viewed it, looks
significantly different then it could be displayed without violating the
signature. This is due to numerous problems, the most basic of which is that
we often don't sign what we view but instead some binary that we _believe_
represents what we viewed but often does not. This is not just theoretical
nor esoteric, but quite easy as the Word example shows.

In effect we have absolutely no idea what we are signing most of the time
even without comprimise of keys, programs and all that good stuff.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-cryptography at c2.net [mailto:owner-cryptography at c2.net]On
> Behalf Of R. A. Hettinga
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:51 PM
> To: dcsb at ai.mit.edu; Digital Bearer Settlement List;
> cryptography at c2.net; cypherpunks at cyberpass.net
> Subject: Schneier: Why Digital Signatures are not Signatures (was
> Re:CRYPTO-GRAM, November 15, 2000)
>
>
> At 5:58 PM -0600 on 11/15/00, Bruce Schneier wrote:
>
>
> >     Why Digital Signatures Are Not Signatures
> >
> >
> >











From InfoRequest at wealth_topic.au  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: InfoRequest at wealth_topic.au (InfoRequest at wealth_topic.au)
Date: ��., 08 �.�. 2544 01:30:44
Subject: InfoRequest - wealth_topic.au
Message-ID: <200111071833.NAA04589@waste.minder.net>




Post fra midt-troms.net 
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
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From MDegaston at aol.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: MDegaston at aol.com (MDegaston at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Are forms possible in a cookie cutter website?
Message-ID: <mailman.184.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

I have a website made with cookie cutters. I would like to add 
a place where people see little windows where they have to fill 
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cutter website?  Is there a programming text (gif?) I can put in 
as is done with banners?

I am really a rank amateur and know very little so unless it is 
very very simple to do, I probably can't do it, mind you.

Appreciate your help.

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From LanaVickery-wealth at znet.net.au  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: LanaVickery-wealth at znet.net.au (LanaVickery-wealth at znet.net.au)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Places to look for web forms
Message-ID: <mailman.185.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From:  Exim Wawasan   - spc at pl.jaring.my
>Subject:  html code for simple application/join form? (Issue #432)
>
>I have been trying to build my own webpage with a simple
>application form with inputs of First Name, Last Name Email
>Address and a click "submit" button. The application form is
>to be submitted either to my mail box on the same website or
>to my own email box. How to write and create the html codes
>for this simple application form?

Ng Lye Fong,

I know you've had a couple of long replies to this query re simple 
html form, but if you have a look at site 
http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/VICK2163 
you'll see a VERY easy way of getting the info you want, and it 
is a simple cut & paste html code. Let me know if you want it and 
I'll get the code to you. You can email me from the site, using the 
facility I'm talking about.

There might also be something of interest for you at: 
http://www.formsite.com . Just a thought.  Many thanks.

Cheers,

Lana
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Comments on Site #134:  http://www.LenSeiderInc.com
Len Seider
Lenseider at cs.com
~~~~

Hello Len - I reviewed your site. First I clicked to skip the flash 
intro. I was glad you had that option on your page as I hate 
waiting for those to download.
Your site is easy to navigate, and all the pages relate with the 
blue background, planets at the top, and the use of frames. The 
light blue text on the dark blue background can be tricky to read 
though.

Also, even with your philosophy written out, I could not grasp 
what the purpose of your site was. I never was quite sure what 
you were trying to accomplish.  By adding explanations on the 
'Our Team' and 'Site Index' page, maybe an introduction on the 
'Home' page, I and I would think your other visitors would be 
better able to tell how you can help them.

It sounds like you know what you are talking about, but I would 
take a guess your audience doesn't.
~~~~

First impression: Duuhhh.  The flash part never went into operation 
although I went to get some water, messed with the dogs, still no 
action. Something needs fixn'.

I bypassed that portion then and  the next page looks very pleasing, 
but that is if you like to just relax. If you want to get your visitors 
attention, there has to be more to catch the interest.. Unfortunately 
today's visitor does not take the time to squint at pale text on a dark 
background no matter how relaxing it might feel.  The page gives a 
certain IMAGE of refinement and that is possibly what you like to 
convey, but will it sell anything unless your cliental is already sold?
Just my thoughts on the matter.
~~~~

This was a fast loading site with minimal graphics (apart from the 
Our Team page which I was disappointed to find were just animations 
and not photos of the team!) and I liked the option to view without 
the Flash.  The Inclick graphic is missing on all the pages and just 
needs to be uploaded.
 
Although I read through the info quite carefully, I'm still puzzled as 
to what this website sells!  The home page tells us that the website 
purpose is to communicate but I'm sorry it failed to communicate to 
me just what services were provided.
~~~~

I assume Len Seider is an individual, so was disappointed there 
wasn't information about him, his background, a picture, or why 
I should trust him.

I don't care for the use of frames, and I don't think they were 
necessary for this site as there were only 4 pages, but the layout 
was organized well and carried through the whole site.
~~~~

First off, the blue on blue words are very hard on the eyes.  The 
home page sounds more like philosophy than a discription of what 
your services are.  What exactly do you do?  Do you focus on 
increasing a company's market share? Are you strictly a marketing 
company?  Are you a consulting firm?  All of the above? 

The "our team" page took forever to load (56k).  Does every pic 
need to be animated?  What is your purpose for this page?  Do you 
offer every service in the animations, or do you improve on existing 
services a company has in place?

Why do you have a site index page for a 4 page (one of them being 
the index page itself) web site?  It's just a couple of links anyway...
not an index of pages in your site.   Visiting this site left me so 
confused that the only way to find out about your services is to use 
the contact us page.  Maybe this is some clever trick that pulls tons 
of calls, but it just made me close the browser window. 
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<p>From:&nbsp; Lana Vickery&nbsp;&nbsp; - wealth at znet.net.au
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Places to look for web forms
<p>>From:&nbsp; Exim Wawasan&nbsp;&nbsp; - spc at pl.jaring.my
<br>>Subject:&nbsp; html code for simple application/join form? (Issue
#432)
<br>>
<br>>I have been trying to build my own webpage with a simple
<br>>application form with inputs of First Name, Last Name Email
<br>>Address and a click "submit" button. The application form is
<br>>to be submitted either to my mail box on the same website or
<br>>to my own email box. How to write and create the html codes
<br>>for this simple application form?
<p>Ng Lye Fong,
<p>I know you've had a couple of long replies to this query re simple
<br>html form, but if you have a look at site
<br><a href="http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/VICK2163">http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/VICK2163</a>
<br>you'll see a VERY easy way of getting the info you want, and it
<br>is a simple cut &amp; paste html code. Let me know if you want it and
<br>I'll get the code to you. You can email me from the site, using the
<br>facility I'm talking about.
<p>There might also be something of interest for you at:
<br><a href="http://www.formsite.com">http://www.formsite.com</a> . Just
a thought.&nbsp; Many thanks.
<p>Cheers,
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<p>Comments on Site #134:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.LenSeiderInc.com">http://www.LenSeiderInc.com</a>
<br>Len Seider
<br>Lenseider at cs.com
<br>~~~~
<p>Hello Len - I reviewed your site. First I clicked to skip the flash
<br>intro. I was glad you had that option on your page as I hate
<br>waiting for those to download.
<br>Your site is easy to navigate, and all the pages relate with the
<br>blue background, planets at the top, and the use of frames. The
<br>light blue text on the dark blue background can be tricky to read
<br>though.
<p>Also, even with your philosophy written out, I could not grasp
<br>what the purpose of your site was. I never was quite sure what
<br>you were trying to accomplish.&nbsp; By adding explanations on the
<br>'Our Team' and 'Site Index' page, maybe an introduction on the
<br>'Home' page, I and I would think your other visitors would be
<br>better able to tell how you can help them.
<p>It sounds like you know what you are talking about, but I would
<br>take a guess your audience doesn't.
<br>~~~~
<p>First impression: Duuhhh.&nbsp; The flash part never went into operation
<br>although I went to get some water, messed with the dogs, still no
<br>action. Something needs fixn'.
<p>I bypassed that portion then and&nbsp; the next page looks very pleasing,
<br>but that is if you like to just relax. If you want to get your visitors
<br>attention, there has to be more to catch the interest.. Unfortunately
<br>today's visitor does not take the time to squint at pale text on a
dark
<br>background no matter how relaxing it might feel.&nbsp; The page gives
a
<br>certain IMAGE of refinement and that is possibly what you like to
<br>convey, but will it sell anything unless your cliental is already sold?
<br>Just my thoughts on the matter.
<br>~~~~
<p>This was a fast loading site with minimal graphics (apart from the
<br>Our Team page which I was disappointed to find were just animations
<br>and not photos of the team!) and I liked the option to view without
<br>the Flash.&nbsp; The Inclick graphic is missing on all the pages and
just
<br>needs to be uploaded.
<br>&nbsp;
<br>Although I read through the info quite carefully, I'm still puzzled
as
<br>to what this website sells!&nbsp; The home page tells us that the website
<br>purpose is to communicate but I'm sorry it failed to communicate to
<br>me just what services were provided.
<br>~~~~
<p>I assume Len Seider is an individual, so was disappointed there
<br>wasn't information about him, his background, a picture, or why
<br>I should trust him.
<p>I don't care for the use of frames, and I don't think they were
<br>necessary for this site as there were only 4 pages, but the layout
<br>was organized well and carried through the whole site.
<br>~~~~
<p>First off, the blue on blue words are very hard on the eyes.&nbsp; The
<br>home page sounds more like philosophy than a discription of what
<br>your services are.&nbsp; What exactly do you do?&nbsp; Do you focus
on
<br>increasing a company's market share? Are you strictly a marketing
<br>company?&nbsp; Are you a consulting firm?&nbsp; All of the above?
<p>The "our team" page took forever to load (56k).&nbsp; Does every pic
<br>need to be animated?&nbsp; What is your purpose for this page?&nbsp;
Do you
<br>offer every service in the animations, or do you improve on existing
<br>services a company has in place?
<p>Why do you have a site index page for a 4 page (one of them being
<br>the index page itself) web site?&nbsp; It's just a couple of links
anyway...
<br>not an index of pages in your site.&nbsp;&nbsp; Visiting this site
left me so
<br>confused that the only way to find out about your services is to use
<br>the contact us page.&nbsp; Maybe this is some clever trick that pulls
tons
<br>of calls, but it just made me close the browser window.
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From declan at well.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
Message-ID: <mailman.186.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


> This robots.txt issue was exaggerated by leftist crtitics of the
> administration. (This is not a general defense of the White House,
> just a statement of fact.) The Bush WH.gov server has a special Iraq
> section where press releases, speeches, etc. are reposted in a
> different HTML template. The WH only wants the "master" copy indexed
> and not the duplicate copy in the second template. Hence the apparent
> weirdness in robots.txt.
>
> I have not found any skullduggery going on, though I suppose it
> wouldn't hurt to keep a copy of the Iraq section for "diff" purposes
> just in case.
>
> -Declan
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:59:07PM +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:56:24PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> > > Can somebody with a webspider crawl these documents, and put it up
> > > on the web?
> > >
> > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
> >
> > All or nearly all of them are duplicates of same documents
> > elsewhere in the directory tree; "X/text/" and "X/iraq/" are
> > supposed to be copies of "X/", with images removed in the first
> > case. I suspect that downloading them all would just confirm that.
> >
> > --
> > avva




From rainesco at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: rainesco at earthlink.net (Virginia Raines)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Congress on verge of approving warrantless secret searches [Free
 Republic]
Message-ID: <mailman.187.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

["Pretended legislation" -- courtesy of Orrin Hatch.]

"all should recognize that this is an act of "pretended legislation", void
and without force from the day Xlinton signs it.  For now, the only thing
we can do is add it to the list of crimes that will appear in the Second
Declaration of Independence (the phrase, "acts of pretended legislation"
comes from the First Declaration and means laws passed without authority to
do so).
"15 Posted on 10/07/2000 05:50:04 PDT by Jim Noble"

"The bill in question comes from Senators Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) and
Orrin Hatch (R-Utah).  It is S.  2516, "The Fugitive Apprehension Act." The
bill allows the government to obtain any kind of document it wants, without
first getting a search warrant or a subpoena from a court."

"Should S.  2516 become law, it would set a precedent for warrantless,
secret searches on other subjects-including firearms laws.  This is one
reason why Barr, one of the staunchest Second Amendment defenders in
Congress, is opposing the bill.

"There is also a possibility that S.  2516 may be snuck through as an
amendment to HR
3048, "The Presidential Protection Act of 2000." Of course S.  2516 has
nothing to do with Presidential Protection.  Instead, the bill is about
constitutional destruction."

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39dede1511bd.htm

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From riso at riso.rus.com.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: riso at riso.rus.com.net (riso at riso.rus.com.net)
Date: ��, 27 ��� 2001 01:02:53
Subject: ��� �������������� ������ � ������ ���������� ����� �������� ��������� (��� ��� ����� ��������)
Message-ID: <200109262225.PAA24292@toad.com>


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From bruces at well.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bruces at well.com (Bruce Sterling)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: The War on David Nelson
Message-ID: <mailman.188.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


*Imagine if these wretches had the even more common name "Geert Lovink."
 Really, one shudders to think -- bruces

If your name is David Nelson you can expect to be hassled, delayed,
questioned and searched before being allowed to board aircraft anywhere
in the United States for the foreseeable future.

Since the horrific attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, the federal Transportation
Security Administration has, without any public announcement, created a
two-tiered list of names "to protect our aviation system," says Nico
Melendez, the agency spokesman for the West Coast, who is based in Los
Angeles.

The name David Nelson apparently is on one of those lists.

"There is a 'no-fly' list," he says. "That's people who cannot fly,
period, " because they've been determined to be or are suspected of
being "a threat to civil aviation or to national security."

Details about the list are "considered sensitive security information
and cannot be released to the public," Nico says, but the Wall Street
Journal suggests there are about 300 names on the "no-fly" list.

There's another list that Nico calls the "selectees list." Might as well
call them "suspectees." This is a much larger list of names,
accumulated, Nico says, from information obtained from intelligence
agencies and the airlines. These folks may be allowed to fly but only
after they're intensely scrutinized by airline, law enforcement and
security personnel.

People whose names are on the two lists undergo what is not a routine
security screening, in which you're asked to remove your shoes or empty
your pockets. This week 18 men named David Nelson, all residents of
Oregon, confirmed they have been repeatedly delayed at airport counters
and security checkpoints in the last year or so.

Take the February experience of Dave Nelson of Salem, a lobbyist whose
largest client is the Oregon Seed Council. Dave often travels for
business, sometimes accompanying the governor on trade missions. "We
were on our way to a trade show in Atlanta," Dave says, "trying to use
the auto-check-in for baggage. We punched in our information, and the
computer wouldn't accept it."

Dave and his wife, Leah, stood in line until an agent was available at
the Delta counter. "We gave him our info, and he kept punching on his
computer for about 10 or 15 minutes. . . . Then he says, 'I have to go
in the back room.' He took off, and we stood there another 10 minutes. I
asked L1 another clerk to find out where he'd gone."

After more waiting, they were told a supervisor was being sought.
"Nobody would tell us what was going on," Dave says. "It's been 30 or 35
minutes by now. Finally the guy came out and said, 'You'll have to talk
to the cop behind you.' We turned around, and there's a security guy."
Dave says the officer told him there was a list of suspicious people,
"and you're on the list."

Dave was asked for I.D. and turned over his driver's license. "They
called downtown and ran a criminal check, and I was clean. Then the
counter clerk had to call national Delta and get permission for me to go
on the airplane. We were now pretty close to takeoff time." Dave and his
wife were issued tickets, but again at the gate Dave was thoroughly
frisked, searched and identified.

At the airport in Atlanta on the way back, the same thing happened. "The
woman punched in my name and said, 'Oh, no, Mr. Nelson . . .' "

One after another, local David Nelsons tell the same story: At airports
their bags are put through bomb detectors; they are delayed, searched,
questioned.

David Nelson of Gresham says he was searched and screened three times at
the Portland airport, then again at the gates of Dallas and Atlanta
airports before arriving in Savannah, Ga., last month. "It's as if they
think you've been transformed into a terrorist en route. You'd think one
screening was enough, when you haven't left a secure area the entire
trip."

"What really concerned me," says David Nelson of Northwest Portland, who
recently was delayed trying to fly to Juneau, Alaska, to take care of
his mother, "was even when they determined I wasn't the one on the list,
it's like I had a label on my forehead that says, 'One must frisk this
person at every opportunity and go through his luggage.' It's as if I
were a pariah. " David had no idea why he was being singled out; no one
mentioned a list. "My son is a pilot for Continental; I thought maybe
that had something to do with it."

Oregon state Sen. David Nelson, from Pendleton, also had no idea why he
was being delayed at airports. "Then we flew into the Medford airport on
Horizon, and one of the agents said, 'Your name is on the list. You're
going to be checked every place you go.' That was a shock."

As David Nelsons all over the country have learned, once your name is on
the list, there's no way you can get it removed. Every time you go to an
airport, you're assumed to be guilty until you can prove yourself
innocent.

Dave Nelson, the Salem lobbyist, spent a lot of time making phone calls
after his trip to Atlanta, trying to learn how he could avoid the
security hassles. "I thought I'd seen something on the news that you
could get a pre-clearance, a photo I.D. We called the Port, and they
knew nothing. I called the FBI and went up the ranks, and there's
nothing like that. You're just stuck. I said, 'What if I used my full
name, or just an initial?' They said, 'None of that would make a
difference. You're on the list.' "

Somewhere in the world there's an actual terrorist suspect named David
Nelson who started all this mess. Several David Nelsons have been told
by security or airline personnel that he's from Nashville.

But they're looking for him everywhere. Portland radiologist David
Nelson "never could figure out why I was constantly getting flagged. Our
bags would always come back with tape around them, saying they had been
searched." His son and namesake, David Wesley Nelson, who's 27, thought
he was always stopped "because of my age." When he flew to Los Angeles
recently, "they gave me a big hassle because I didn't have a passport. I
said, 'I don't normally carry a passport when traveling within the U.S.'
"

Every single David Nelson interviewed understood the need for greater
security in a post Sept. 11 world. They realize there are trade-offs
between liberty and security. But in today's world of high-tech
wizardry, it's hard to believe the Transportation Security
Administration can't come up with a computer software program that would
create a "free-to-fly" list of people whose I.D. has been checked and
whose innocence already has been verified.

The problem is not the "no-fly" list or the "selectees" list. The
problem is, once you're on the lists, you can't get off. It's one thing
to know you have to get to the airport three or four hours before every
flight; the David Nelsons might accept that as a sign of the times. But
how would you feel, knowing your name was on a government terrorist
watch list?

Linda Nelson of Tigard says her husband, David Nelson, has been hassled
in airports. "You're treated as a second-class citizen in your own
country," she says.

David Nelson is a common name. "My dentist has a couple of them in his
practice," says David Nelson of Aloha, "and my boss is actually named
David Nelson. He's had the same thing happen to him."

Nico Melendez of the Transportation Security Administration will not
confirm that the name David Nelson is on the "no-fly" or "selectees"
list. But he does say that people who want to see if their name is on
either list or who want to make a complaint, can call the agency's
contact center at 866-289-9673 or send an e-mail to TellTSA at tsa.dot.gov.

But if your name is David Nelson, chances are you won't breeze through
any airports in the near future. Even if you're a celebrity.

Remember Ozzie and Harriet's son, David Nelson? "I got stopped at the
John Wayne Airport" in Orange County, Calif., he said by phone from Los
Angeles this week. "Two police officers knew who I was and tried to
explain to the guy behind the security desk. It didn't faze him at all."
Even as another officer was saying he had once met David's mother,
Harriet, David was being instructed to remove his shoes, he says. "I
asked, 'Does the guy on the list have a middle name of Ozzie?' He said,
'It just says David Nelson.' "

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/margie_boule/index.ssf?/base/living/1051877124142830.xml




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From: paulbourassa at affinter.com (Paul Bourassa)
Date: lun., 17 sept 2001  15:54:08 -0400
Subject: Chance of a life time
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From declan at well.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: CDR: Re: Internet Hoax Articles Considered Harmful=20
Message-ID: <mailman.189.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 11:54:50PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> PHILADELPHIA, Pennyslvania (AP) - Homeland Defense Secretary Tom Ridge =

> said Sunday that the U.S. faces a serious and expanding threat from=20
> fraudulent Internet articles, or hoaxes.

Almost. The most obvious sign that this is a hoax is your inclusion
of the state in the dateline. For major cities, it's usually not =
included.

-Declan
------------------
I knew it was a hoax because I read the original article, which read:
Ridge stressed that the U.S moves to limit false news articles will be=20
done with input from civil liberties groups, saying the moves are=20
``against info-terrorists, info-terrorism, their sanctuaries and their=20
supporters, those who harbor them, those who give sanctuary to those=20
who harbor them, those who support those who give sanctuary to those
who harbor them, those who associate with those who give them support,
sanctuary, or harbor them, those we suspect of being associated with=20
those who are associated with those who give them support, sanctuary,
or harbor them, those who are suspected of voting for the rulers of any
country which has given them support, sanctuary, or harbored them,
those who may associate in the future with someone who might consider
giving them support, sanctuary, or harboring them...''

I cut it short, because the original is 378 GB...
Suffice it to say that the ParaMeters for who is TargetAble as a =
Certified BadGuy=20
has recently gotten Wider...and can be expected to MushRoom(BOOM!) at an
expoential rate in the near future, now that THEY [TM] have seen the =
Ease with
which THEY [TM] can SMEAR just about anyone THEY [TM] please by=20
Painting a Wider Swath via GuiltByAssociation...
(Can eWe Say "I Only Sent A Single eMail To Jim Bell In My Whole Life?")
((Sure, eWe Can...))

Sincerely,
SomeOne Who Didn't Actually *Write* This eMail,
But Who Knows An Uncle Of The Person Who Did



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<DIV><EM>Subject</EM>: CDR: Re: Internet Hoax Articles Considered =
Harmful </DIV>
<DIV><EM>From</EM>: Declan McCullagh &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:declan at well.com">declan at well.com</A>&gt; =
</DIV><!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--><!--X-Body-of-Message--><PRE>On Sun, Oct =
07, 2001 at 11:54:50PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
&gt; PHILADELPHIA, Pennyslvania (AP) - Homeland Defense Secretary Tom =
Ridge=20
&gt; said Sunday that the U.S. faces a serious and expanding threat from =

&gt; fraudulent Internet articles, or hoaxes.

Almost. The most obvious sign that this is a hoax is your inclusion
of the state in the dateline. For major cities, it's usually not =
included.

-Declan
------------------</PRE><PRE>I knew it was a hoax because I read the =
original article, which read:</PRE>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Ridge stressed that the U.S moves to limit false =
news articles=20
will be <BR>done with input from civil liberties groups, saying the =
moves are=20
<BR>``against info-terrorists, info-terrorism, their sanctuaries and =
their=20
<BR>supporters, those who harbor them, those who give sanctuary to those =

</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>who harbor them, those who support those who give =
sanctuary to=20
those</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>who harbor them, those who associate with those who =
give them=20
support,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>sanctuary, or harbor them, those we suspect of being =

associated with </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>those who are associated with those who give them =
support,=20
sanctuary,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>or harbor them, those who are suspected of voting =
for the=20
rulers of any</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>country which has given them support, sanctuary, or =
harbored=20
them,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>those who may associate in the future with someone =
who might=20
consider</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>giving them support, sanctuary, or harboring=20
them...''</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I cut it short, because the original is 378 =
GB...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Suffice it to say that the ParaMeters for who is =
TargetAble as=20
a Certified BadGuy </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>has </FONT><FONT size=3D2>recently gotten =
Wider...and can be=20
expected to MushRoom(BOOM!) at an</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>expoential rate in the near future, now that THEY =
[TM] have=20
seen the Ease with</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>which THEY [TM] can SMEAR just about anyone THEY =
[TM] please=20
by </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Painting a Wider Swath via =
GuiltByAssociation...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>(Can eWe Say "I Only Sent A Single eMail To Jim Bell =
In My=20
Whole Life?")</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>((Sure, eWe Can...))</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>SomeOne Who Didn't Actually *Write* This =
eMail,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>But Who Knows An Uncle Of The Person Who =
Did</FONT></DIV>
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From posteital at kataweb.it  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: posteital at kataweb.it (Sara)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01.25.41 +0100
Subject: Sara
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Spettabile!

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From fsudia at home.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: fsudia at home.com (Frank Sudia)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Fw: CfP - Workshop on Security of Mobile Multiagent Systems
Message-ID: <mailman.190.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

(SEMAS-2001)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:04:09 -0800
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Reply-To: "Frank Sudia" <fsudia at home.com>

[Other branches of computer science discovering security.]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dieter Hutter" <hutter at dfki.de>
To: <undisclosed-recipients:;>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:30 PM
Subject: CfP - Workshop on Security of Mobile Multiagent Systems
(SEMAS-2001)

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We apologise if you receive multiple copies of it.

   CALL FOR PAPERS
   First International Workshop on

  SECURITY OF MOBILE MULTIAGENT SYSTEMS (SEMAS-2001)

  To be held at the
  Fifth International Conference on Autonomous Agents (Agents 2001)
   Montreal, Canada
    May 29th 2001

    http://www.dfki.de/~kuf/semas/

The far reaching influence of the Internet  has  resulted  in  an
increased  interest in agent technologies, which  are poised to play a
key  role in the implementation of  successful  Internet and WWW-based
applications in  the future.  While  there is still  considerable hype
concerning agent technologies,  there is also an increasing  awareness
of the problems involved.  In particular, that these applications will
not    be successful    unless   security issues   can be   adequately
handled. Although there  is a   large  body of work on   cryptographic
techniques that   provide  basic  building-blocks  to  solve  specific
security   problems, relatively little    work   has  been done     in
investigating   security  in  the    multiagent system context.    The
introduction  of  mobile software  agents  significantly increases the
risks  involved in Internet  and WWW-based applications.  For example,
if  we allow agents to  enter our hosts or   private networks, we must
offer the agents a platform so that  they can execute correctly but at
the same time  ensure that they will not  have deleterious effects  on
our hosts or any  other agents / processes  in our network. If we send
out mobile agents, we  should also be able to provide guarantees about
specific aspects of their behaviour, i.e., we  are not only interested
in  whether the agents carry-out   their intended task correctly. They
must defend themselves against attacks initiated  by other agents, and
survive in potentially malicious environments.

Agent technology can also   be used to  support network  security. For
example in  the  context of intrusion  detection, intelligent guardian
agents  may  be used to implement   active  protection strategies on a
firewall or  intelligent monitoring agents  can be used to analyse the
behaviour  of  agents   migrating   through  a network.  Part   of the
inspiration  for such multi-agent  systems comes from primitive animal
behaviour, such as that of guardian ants protecting their hill or from
biological immune systems.

Topics of Interest
- ------------------

We welcome the submission  of papers from  the full spectrum of issues
associated with  security  in mobile  multiagent systems, both  in the
public Internet  and  in private networks.   We particularly encourage
the discussion of the following topics:

- - security policies for agent environments
- - security mechanisms that can be implemented by using
  (mobile) multiple agents
- - reasoning about security in an agent architecture
- - security for agents (against other agents, malicious hosts, and
  software failures)
- - security for agent hosts (against agent attacks and agent
  deficiency)
- - security through agents (for any form of malfunctioning in the
  network)
- - application of security mechanism in a (mobile) multiagent context
- - integration of traditional security mechanisms to the agent realm
- - design methodologies for secure (mobile) multiagent systems

The  workshop aims at bringing  together people  from the two relevant
research  fields, information security and agent-oriented programming.
Consequently we would like to  encourage discussion papers, conceptual
papers, system  papers,  and  application  papers.  It  is planned  to
publish   the workshop papers with  a   scientific publisher after the
workshop.

Submission Details
- ------------------

To participate in the workshop you should  submit an original research
paper of   up  to 5000  words   (approximately 8 pages maximum)  or  a
position paper  (up  to 2000  words,   approximately 3 pages) to   the
workshop chair, to arrive no later than 19 March  2001.  It is planned
to structure the workshops into invited talks, technical presentations
and panel discussions.  The  technical presentations will  be selected
from the research papers.    Formatting instructions can be found   at
http://www.acm.org/sigs/pubs/proceed/template.html    and    should be
strictly followed.   The first page should include   the full name and
contact details   of  at  least one  author    (email and  full postal
address).  Electronic submissions  are  mandatory.  Acceptable formats
are PDF and PostScript.


Important Dates:
- ----------------

Submissions due Monday  19th March 2001

Notifications sent Friday  30th March 2001
Camera ready version due Monday  16th April 2001
Workshop Tuesday 29th May   2001


Organisation:
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Klaus Fischer and Dieter Hutter, DFKI Saarbr=FCcken, Germany

Program Committee:
- ------------------

Sahin Albayrak, TU Berlin, Germany
David Basin, University of Freiburg, Germany
Ciaran Bryce, University of Geneve, Switzerland
Hans-J=FCrgen B=FCrckert, DFKI GmbH Saarbr=FCcken, Germany

G=FCnter Karjoth, IBM Research Z=FCrich, Switzerland
Luc Moreau, University of Southampton, UK
Volker Roth, Frauenhofer IGD, Germany
Helmut Schwigon, BSI Bonn, Germany
Vipin Swarup, The MITRE Corp, USA
Christian Tschudin, Uppsala University, Sweden
Jan Vitek, Purdue University, USA

Contact Person:
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Dr. Klaus Fischer
DFKI GmbH
Stuhlsatzenhausweg 3
D-66123 Saarbr=FCcken
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Email: Klaus.Fischer at dfki.de
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From Michael  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Michael (Michael)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Quick USB question
Message-ID: <mailman.191.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Double checking that the USBs that you sent were prepared as-is and no
different from any other versions, except updated through August 14 2015.

John Young sent back an accusatory email:


From John  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: John (John)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Quick USB question
Message-ID: <mailman.192.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Don't know. Updates generated scratch. Prepare to be surprised if not
deceived by anything digital or analogue or intergalactic. Especially if
authenticated, signed, sealed, shipped through thickets of traps and
contaminants. You know that, though, and are just being humorously baiting
and entrapping. Like Archive.org and Wikipedia and gosh the whole mess
seething with malevolence.

I replied to John:


From Michael  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Michael (Michael)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Quick USB question
Message-ID: <mailman.193.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Don't mean to bait or entrap, but asking questions with too much context
can be leading. I'm not worried about hidden payloads or anything, I want
to make sure that it was (as far as you know) the vanilla version of the
August 2015 archive and you hadn't purposefully included any extra
information for me to peruse before I posted my findings publicly.

John did not respond.

Since John made a point out of the USBs being generated from scratch every
time, I couldn't be sure how long the data had been available. After some
digging, I found a copy of Cryptome's archive apparently uploaded by
coderman[at]gmail.com AKA bandmon. You can find that torrent here
<https://thepiratebay.mn/torrent/11113511/Cryptome_archive_2014-06-02>
https://thepiratebay.mn/torrent/11113511/Cryptome_archive_2014-06-02. I
downloaded the torrent to a remote server, unzipped the files and confirmed
there were log files there as well.

It was my strong preference **not** to post this, but since Cryptome has
refused to validate the data, there is no other way to authenticate it than
to release it to the public along with how to find that information in the
Cryptome USBs/CDs and their various mirrors. It was not my intention to
humiliate Cryptome or expose their users, only to demonstrate that the
slide allegedly proving the GCHQ has spied on Cryptome.org could have come
from anywhere. Despite being accurate, the information is not proof of
surveillance or anything nefarious. In short, the alleged GCHQ could have
been produced by GCHQ as an internal mockup, or forged by anyone with
access to an internet connection.

In addition to the links below, you can also download a complete copy of
the dataset from Cryptome <https://archive.org/details/cryptome-archive>
https://archive.org/details/cryptome-archive as well as download a .zip of
all of the leaked logs
<http://that1archive.neocities.org/cryptome/cryptome-leaked-logs.zip>
http://that1archive.neocities.org/cryptome/cryptome-leaked-logs.zip and
peruse them in your own time.

Cryptome's leaked logs:

http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/access.pwd
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/htaccess (4)
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/htaccess (3)
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/htaccess (2)
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/htaccess (1)
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/htaccess
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.alldomains.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.allhosts.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.allrobots.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.browserdetail.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.errors404.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.keyphrases.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.keywords.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.lasthosts.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.lastrobots.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.osdetail.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.refererpages.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.refererse.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.session.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.unknownbrowser.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.unknownip.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.unknownos.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.urldetail.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.urlentry.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.urlexit.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.alldomains.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.allhosts.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.allrobots.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.browserdetail.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.errors404.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.keyphrases.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.keywords.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.lasthosts.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.lastrobots.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.osdetail.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.refererpages.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.refererse.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.session.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.unknownbrowser.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.unknownip.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.unknownos.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.urldetail.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.urlentry.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0912.urlexit.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.alldomains.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.allhosts.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.allrobots.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.browserdetail.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.errors404.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.keyphrases.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.keywords.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.lasthosts.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.lastrobots.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.osdetail.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.refererpages.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.refererse.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.session.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.unknownbrowser.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.unknownip.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.unknownos.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.urldetail.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.urlentry.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1001.urlexit.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.alldomains.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.allhosts.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.allrobots.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.browserdetail.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.errors404.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.keyphrases.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.keywords.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.lasthosts.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.lastrobots.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.osdetail.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.refererpages.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.refererse.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.session.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.unknownbrowser.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.unknownip.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.unknownos.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.urldetail.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.urlentry.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.1002.urlexit.html
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats012010.1331504.txt
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats022010.1331504.txt
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats112009.1331504.txt
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats122009.1331504.txt
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/home.htm
http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/index.shtml

If the information is a mockup as Cryptome alleges, then it was created and
distributed by them as part of an insane piece of disinformation designed
to implicate users who are innocent of even visiting Cryptome.org. Far more
likely is that Cryptome has been unaware of these ongoing leaks, refused to
discuss them with me and then attempted to deny their reality.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Let me begin by saying that Cryptome initially denied=
 the leak, then that the data was stolen, then that the whole thing was a f=
ake &quot;a lie by [a] spy-newbie.&quot; Look at the data itself and examin=
e the multiple sources, then decide for yourself.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div=
><div>It&#39;s important to note that the logs were not just found in the U=
SBs John Young/Cryptome sent to me, but in the ones sent to &quot;bandmon&q=
uot;, who unless I&#39;m mistaken is <a href=3D"mailto:coderman at gmail.com">=
coderman at gmail.com</a> <a href=3D"https://thepiratebay.mn/torrent/11113511/=
Cryptome_archive_2014-06-02">https://thepiratebay.mn/torrent/11113511/Crypt=
ome_archive_2014-06-02</a></div><div><br></div>Original post at <a href=3D"=
http://that1archive.neocities.org/subfolder1/cryptome-leaked-logs.html">htt=
p://that1archive.neocities.org/subfolder1/cryptome-leaked-logs.html</a><br>=
<div><br></div><div><div><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana;f=
ont-size:medium">If you haven&#39;t read why the alleged GCHQ slide showing=
 spying on Cryptome.org&#39;s users could have been made by anyone, I recom=
mend you=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://that1archive.neocities.org/subfolder1/gchq-=
cryptome-slide.html">do so before reading this</a>=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://t=
hat1archive.neocities.org/subfolder1/gchq-cryptome-slide.html">http://that1=
archive.neocities.org/subfolder1/gchq-cryptome-slide.html</a>.=C2=A0In summ=
ary, I showed that the information on the slide could have been mocked up, =
depsite matching the logs for Cryptome.org. Cryptome has denied the accurac=
y of my data, while oddly accusing me of stealing the data, and leaves me w=
ith no alternatives to posting the data online for others to review and ver=
ify.</p><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana;font-size:medium">=
The data came from Cryptome itself, on a pair of=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://ar=
chive.org/details/cryptome-archive">USBs they mailed to me</a>=C2=A0<a href=
=3D"https://archive.org/details/cryptome-archive">https://archive.org/detai=
ls/cryptome-archive</a>. Within those USBs were server logs that include us=
er IPs (spanning several months), .htaccess files, and a pwd file. After fi=
nding the data in the USB Cryptome had just sent me, I sent an email attemp=
ting to verify it hadn&#39;t been included as something extra that was not =
for public distrubition:</p><blockquote style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fami=
ly:Verdana;font-size:medium">Subject: Quick USB question<br>From: Michael B=
est=C2=A0<br>To: John Young=C2=A0<br>Double checking that the USBs that you=
 sent were prepared as-is and no different from any other versions, except =
updated through August 14 2015.</blockquote><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);fo=
nt-family:Verdana;font-size:medium">John Young sent back an accusatory emai=
l:</p><blockquote style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana;font-size:m=
edium">To: Michael Best=C2=A0<br>From: John Young=C2=A0<br>Subject: Re: Qui=
ck USB question<br>Don&#39;t know. Updates generated scratch. Prepare to be=
 surprised if not deceived by anything digital or analogue or intergalactic=
. Especially if authenticated, signed, sealed, shipped through thickets of =
traps and contaminants. You know that, though, and are just being humorousl=
y baiting and entrapping. Like Archive.org and Wikipedia and gosh the whole=
 mess seething with malevolence.</blockquote><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);f=
ont-family:Verdana;font-size:medium">I replied to John:</p><blockquote styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana;font-size:medium">Subject: Re: Qu=
ick USB question<br>From: Michael Best=C2=A0<br>To: John Young=C2=A0<br>Don=
&#39;t mean to bait or entrap, but asking questions with too much context c=
an be leading. I&#39;m not worried about hidden payloads or anything, I wan=
t to make sure that it was (as far as you know) the vanilla version of the =
August 2015 archive and you hadn&#39;t purposefully included any extra info=
rmation for me to peruse before I posted my findings publicly.</blockquote>=
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana;font-size:medium">John =
did not respond.</span><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana;fon=
t-size:medium">Since John made a point out of the USBs being generated from=
 scratch every time, I couldn&#39;t be sure how long the data had been avai=
lable. After some digging, I found a copy of Cryptome&#39;s archive apparen=
tly uploaded by coderman[at]<a href=3D"http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a> AKA =
bandmon. You can=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://thepiratebay.mn/torrent/11113511/C=
ryptome_archive_2014-06-02">find that torrent here</a>=C2=A0<a href=3D"http=
s://thepiratebay.mn/torrent/11113511/Cryptome_archive_2014-06-02">https://t=
hepiratebay.mn/torrent/11113511/Cryptome_archive_2014-06-02</a>. I download=
ed the torrent to a remote server, unzipped the files and confirmed there w=
ere log files there as well.</p><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Ve=
rdana;font-size:medium">It was my strong preference *<b>not*</b>=C2=A0to po=
st this, but since Cryptome has refused to validate the data, there is no o=
ther way to authenticate it than to release it to the public along with how=
 to find that information in the Cryptome USBs/CDs and their various mirror=
s. It was not my intention to humiliate Cryptome or expose their users, onl=
y to demonstrate that the slide allegedly proving the GCHQ has spied on Cry=
ptome.org could have come from anywhere. Despite being accurate, the inform=
ation is not proof of surveillance or anything nefarious. In short, the all=
eged GCHQ could have been produced by GCHQ as an internal mockup, or forged=
 by anyone with access to an internet connection.</p><p style=3D"color:rgb(=
0,0,0);font-family:Verdana;font-size:medium">In addition to the links below=
, you can also download a=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://archive.org/details/crypt=
ome-archive">complete copy of the dataset from Cryptome</a>=C2=A0<a href=3D=
"https://archive.org/details/cryptome-archive">https://archive.org/details/=
cryptome-archive</a>=C2=A0as well as=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://that1archive.ne=
ocities.org/cryptome/cryptome-leaked-logs.zip">download a .zip of all of th=
e leaked logs</a>=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://that1archive.neocities.org/cryptom=
e/cryptome-leaked-logs.zip">http://that1archive.neocities.org/cryptome/cryp=
tome-leaked-logs.zip</a> and peruse them in your own time.</p></div><div><b=
r></div><div>Cryptome&#39;s leaked logs:</div><div><br></div><div><a href=
=3D"http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/access.pwd">http://That1Arch=
ive.neocities.org/cryptome/access.pwd</a></div><div><a href=3D"http://That1=
Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/htaccess">http://That1Archive.neocities.org/=
cryptome/htaccess</a> (4)</div><div><a href=3D"http://That1Archive.neocitie=
s.org/cryptome/htaccess">http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/htacces=
s</a> (3)</div><div><a href=3D"http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/h=
taccess">http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/htaccess</a> (2)</div><=
div><a href=3D"http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/htaccess">http://=
That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/htaccess</a> (1)</div><div><a href=3D"h=
ttp://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/htaccess">http://That1Archive.neo=
cities.org/cryptome/htaccess</a></div><div><a href=3D"http://That1Archive.n=
eocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.alldomains.html">http://That1Arc=
hive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.alldomains.html</a></div><=
div><a href=3D"http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0=
911.allhosts.html">http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.13315=
04.0911.allhosts.html</a></div><div><a href=3D"http://That1Archive.neocitie=
s.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.allrobots.html">http://That1Archive.neo=
cities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.allrobots.html</a></div><div><a hr=
ef=3D"http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.brows=
erdetail.html">http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awstats.1331504.0=
911.browserdetail.html</a></div><div><a href=3D"http://That1Archive.neociti=
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1504.0911.keyphrases.html">http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryptome/awsta=
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ryptome/awstats.1331504.0911.session.html">http://That1Archive.neocities.or=
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awstats.1331504.0911.urldetail.html">http://That1Archive.neocities.org/cryp=
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From romania3 at best50.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
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From Jim  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Jim (Jim)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.195.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

*** Feb/March Project Update ***

Since our last update, 22 companies have committed to participate and launch
the Image Quality and Usability Assurance: Phase I project.  Also, we
completed the SVPCo/FSTC Black and White vs. Gray-Scale in Bank Operations
project in February, and SVPCo is now utilizing that report as a key
component of its planning.  Lastly, our Minimum Required Practices for
Global Sourcing project has issued a call for participation, and commitments
are being made by both financial institutions and technology partners.

FSTC provides an action-oriented, collaborative forum for our members to
address shared business opportunities and challenges through technology
projects and knowledge-sharing.  We view our projects as our core activity,
and one of the key benefits of FSTC membership is eligibility to participate
in these projects.  In our efforts to keep our members and friends
up-to-date on the latest developments in these active and developing
projects, we provide our colleagues this periodic project update.  As
always, please contact me or Zach Tumin, FSTC Executive Director, for more
information.  Or visit our website at http://fstc.org.

Active Projects:

1.  Business Continuity: Technology Best Practices Expertise Center
(launched Nov 2003)
2.  Survivability of Check Security Features in an Imaged Environment
(launched Oct 2003)
3.  Image Quality and Usability Assurance: Phase I (launching March 2004)

Projects in Formation:

1.  Minimum Required Practices for Global Sourcing (call for participation
issued)
2.  Phishing and Financial Services
3.  eBilling Self Service through Federated Identity
4.  Biometrics in Financial Services: Assessment and Action
5.  Treasury Services Integration: Data Exchange and Customer Connectivity
through Web Services (on hold)
6.  A Federated Identity Implementation Framework for Secure Email (on hold)
7.  Transformation to Open Mission Critical Systems
______________

ACTIVE PROJECTS:

1.  Business Continuity: Technology Best Practices Expertise Center

http://fstc.org/projects/dr-bestpractices/

The Technology Best Practices Expertise Center Phase I initiative has
brought industry leaders together to jointly develop consolidated,
industry-vetted best practices and actionable recommendations for technology
recovery in post-outage, remote recovery.  Regulatory compliance will be a
key requirement considered by the team.  The resulting documentation will
define best practices, identify key challenges and gaps in available
solutions, and identify recommendations for further actions (such as
testing) in future efforts.  The objective is to enable participating
companies to recover in a cost-effective manner, to validate and compare
their own recovery strategies with their peers, and to address regulatory
compliance in an industry forum.

The project launched on November 5, 2003 in New York, and is expected to
conclude in April 2004.  Project participants include: Bank One, Bank of
America, Comerica, JPMorgan Chase, Huntington, RBC Financial, US Bank,
Wachovia, and IBM.

This initiative originated in our Business Continuity SCOM.
(http://fstc.org/advisory/business-continuity.cfm)
______________

2.  Survivability of Check Security Features in an Imaged Environment

http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#securityfeatures

In this project, participating financial institutions and partner technology
companies are selecting current and proposed (next-generation) check
security features.  Working with participating industry partners and
financial institutions, the project will test the survivability of these
check security features in high-speed and low-speed capture, in both gray
scale and black & white imaged environments. The result will be an
independent indication as to the viability of current and proposed
next-generation check security features in a truncated (imaged) environment.

This project launched in October 2003, held its first in-person meeting
November 18th in Charlotte, hosted by IBM, and is expected to conclude in
the April 2004 timeframe.  Project participants include Bank of America,
Canadian Payments Association, Comerica, Federal Reserve, First Citizens,
JPMorgan Chase, US Treasury, Wachovia, Wells Fargo, and Zions Bank; ASD
Corp, Cheque Guard, Clarke American, Deluxe, Fiserv, Harland, IBM, and SQN
Banking Systems.

This project originates from the Check Truncation SIG
(http://fstc.org/advisory/check-truncation.cfm).
______________

3.   Image Quality and Usability Assurance: Phase I

http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#imagequality

A group of FSTC member institutions and technology companies convened
January 13th in Atlanta to develop an initial set of objectives and
deliverables for a Phase I FSTC image quality initiative.   The goal is to
bring financial institutions together with key technology partners to better
understand the current industry activities in the area of image quality,
identify critical challenges yet to be addressed, and leverage the FSTC
project environment as a place to undertake key collaborative development,
testing, prototyping, and specification required to ultimately ensure
minimum image quality assessment capabilities in centralized and distributed
capture points, regardless of vendor or institution.  The ultimate objective
is to prevent unusable check images (and their financial exposure) from
entering the payment system.

A call for participation was issued February 4, and since then 22 companies
have committed to pariticpate.  The first in-person project meeting will be
held April 2nd in San Francisco, following the FSTC/ABA/Federal
Reserve/SVPCo Image Assurance and Security event March 31-April 1 at the
Fairmont (http://fstc.org/meetings/next.cfm).  The project is expected to
run for 90 days, and conclude in June 2004.
______________

PROJECTS IN FORMATION:

1.  Minimum Required Practices for Global Sourcing

http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#offshore

This primary objective of this initiative is to develop a comprehensive set
of tactical minimum required practices for both financial institutions and
vendors, as a baseline for the industry.  With increasing regulatory
interest, and a desire to collaborate to improve the overall strength of the
financial industry, FSTC members have defined a series of activities for
2004 that address key gaps and opportunities shared by FSTC member
institutions.  Areas of interest include data privacy, business continuity,
governance, safeguarding intellectual property, and others.

An in-person meeting was held February 26th in Orlando, bringing our core
group together with a broader industry audience to share the group's vision,
as well as further refine the scope, objectives, and next steps.  A call for
participation has been issued, and a number of financial institutions and
technology partners have committed to participate.

Please contact Zach Tumin (zachary.tumin at fstc.org) for more information.
______________

2.  Phishing in Financial Services

FSTC member-institutions have expressed an interest in understanding and
addressing, at a technical level, the complex problem of phishing via both
email and web sites. A core group is developing a strawman statement of
financial institution requirements regarding phishing that will address
issues of ease of use and acceptance, effectiveness, cost and complexity of
implementation, and required industry coordination. When validated with a
larger group of financial institutions and technology providers, it is the
intention of these members to inventory and evaluate current vendor
solutions against the set of known threat models and financial institution
requirements, and to work with industry groups to prove/test/validate those
solutions. For more information, please contact Zach Tumin
(zachary.tumin at fstc.org).

An FI-only project definition session is being held March 24th in New York
to begin this process.
______________

3.  eBilling Self Service Through Federated Identity

This proposed project would seek to bring FSTC members together to define an
implementation framework for using federated identity standards such as SAML
to link financial institution sites with biller self-service sites.  The
proposition for billers is reduced identity management costs and increased
adoption, while financial institutions benefit from increased online
traffic, stronger customer service, and increased use of online services.
Customers will benefit from having a consolidated access point for disparate
billing sites and fewer usernames and passwords to remember.

A core group of financial institutions and technology companies are
currently developing this concept, and developing an initial set of use
cases.  Also, these companies are talking to billers and banks who might
participate in a pilot.  We expect to be able to share more information
about this project soon.
______________

4.  Biometrics in Financial Services: Assessment and Action

Using as a basis the internal control objectives and practices of the ANSI
Standard X9.84 - 2003, Security and Management of Biometric Data, a core
group of interested FSTC members is developing a project concept to assist
financial institutions in determining the viability of biometric
technologies in several financial institution-specific use cases, including
account openings.  As currently conceived, this effort will culminate in the
assessment of the current state (2004) and desired future state of biometric
standardization, technologies, and business process efforts, and produce a
statement of financial institution requirements and recommendations on
issues of interoperability, security and management, and customer service
for critical business processes. The requirements for institutions to
utilize data in a standardized and privacy-aware fashion will be a important
performance metric. Ultimately, the project may include the development of a
reference implementation and the deployment of a pilot system to validate
the reference implementation.
______________

5.  Treasury Services Integration: Data Exchange and Customer Connectivity
through Web Services (on hold)

http://fstc.org/projects/new.cfm#tsi

As a potential Phase II following the previous Web Services for Corporate
Cash Management effort, a core group of FSTC institutions and technology
companies have defined key business objectives and deliverables for a
discovery phase, and subsequent pilot-level project utilizing Web Services
in the Treasury Services / Cash Management area.  The project, as it
currently stands, will seek to further develop the Phase I set of web
services and associated definitions to create new and open-standards-based
connectivity options between banks, and between banks and their customers.
The business goals are to enable standards-based "plug-and-play" integration
capabilities between institutions and customer platforms, whether ERP,
Treasury Work Station (TWS), or desktop.

A core group of financial institutions and technology companies has
committed to launching this initiative in the second half of 2004.  This
project is considered on-hold until later this year.
______________

6.  A Federated Identity Implementation Framework for Secure Email (on hold)

Coming from discussions in the FSTC Advisory Council Security and
Infrastructure Standing Committee (SCOM)
(http://fstc.org/advisory/security.cfm), FSTC members are putting plans
together to create a federated identity implementation framework, with the
primary application being secure email.  The primary business objectives are
to create interoperability for shared customers and business partners, as
well as to reduce the cost of managing identity databases internally within
institutions.  The project would deliver a set of technical, business, and
legal/regulatory definitions to create a framework for the industry to
utilize in secure email and ultimately other applications.

An in-person session was held January 8th in Boston, hosted by Fidelity.  A
revised proposal was developed coming out of this meeting, however, given
the relative immaturity of secure email technology and solutions that have
been selected and implemented within FSTC member institutions, the team
agreed that this project should be put on hold while those decisions are
made.  It is expected that later in the year, a discussion about enhancing
secure email through federation will be started up again.
______________

7.  Transformation to Open Mission Critical Systems

The transformation of systems from higher cost or proprietary delivery to
open systems is one of the most hotly debated and discussed topics in
financial services IT. While there is great promise in the flexibility and
efficiencies gained, there is also risk and cost. An FSTC project will soon
form up to determine answers to such key questions as, "Are those
transformations viable?" and "What are the costs and processes by which a
successful transformation program will be run?" The vision of this
initiative is to bring together financial institutions to investigate the
needs, processes, best practices, technology issues, risk factors,
organizational issues and lessons-learned for transformation projects which
move core business processes from legacy IT assets to open systems.  We will
provide additional details shortly.  If you are interested in joining an
interest group around this topic, please contact us.

______________


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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Wines 
&amp; Food Emporium - <I>perfumes and tastes in the 
web</I><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB 
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">The 
famous <U><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: blue">on-line shop</SPAN></U> of Italian typical 
wines and products, showcase for rare and precious handicraft gastronomic 
productions, launch its new project.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">In 
collaboration with the small artisans:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Emporium</SPAN></B><B><SPAN 
lang=3DEN-GB 
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Distribuzione</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB 
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- <EM>selects typical products and wine</EM>, it is born.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB 
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">The 
first "Wholesale" of excellence and genuine table. An only point of reference 
whether to purchase from the wine to the cheese without least of order for 
different firms. <U><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: blue">Have a 
look</SPAN></U>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB 
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">The 
initiative was born following the demand of the operators, emerged in the last 
editions of sector�s Fair (as Salone del Gusto in Turin, the Cibus in Parma and 
the Vinitaly), to have an unique referent through which to retrieve only high 
quality products.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">For 
this motive <U><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: blue">Emporium Distribuzione </SPAN></U>is 
born, [..]<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Food</STRONG> <STRONG>Emporium</STRONG> - <EM>profumi e sapori nel web</EM><SPAN 
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">La 
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href=3D"http://www.winesemporium.com"><SPAN lang=3DIT 
style=3D"mso-ansi-language: IT">bottega on-line&nbsp;</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN 
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">dei 
prodotti e dei vini tipici Italiani, vetrina&nbsp;per decine di&nbsp;rare e 
preziose produzioni enogastronomiche artigianali, lancia il suo nuovo 
progetto.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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collaborazione con i piccoli&nbsp;artigiani, nasce:<B><SPAN 
style=3D"COLOR: red"><BR><STRONG>Emporium</STRONG></SPAN><STRONG> 
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primo "<EM>ingrosso</EM>" dell'eccellenza&nbsp;e della genuinit�&nbsp;a 
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Un 
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minimo di ordine per&nbsp;le diverse aziende. <BR></SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB 
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style=3D"mso-ansi-language: IT">Dai un occhiata</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN 
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From RichardDeLong-homeaffiliate at mail.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: RichardDeLong-homeaffiliate at mail.com (RichardDeLong-homeaffiliate at mail.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: More on the SirCam virus 
Message-ID: <mailman.197.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

In Exchange Issue #440, JT wrote...

>It's called the SirCam virus, and when it spreads, it sends
>an apparently random file from the harddrives of infected
>computers along with it. ANY file on your machine could
>be copied and sent to hundreds of other users. 

I also have received both the virus and email on how to get 
rid of it.  Luckily I don't open ANY attachments, unless I'm 
expecting them and then am still very careful.  

Here's the ways I was told to get rid of the thing:

One Fix Tool:

Download fix_sircam.com and run the file. It will scan Drive
C:\ and subfolders and runs in DOS.
http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/security/fix_sircam.com

Another Trojan Fix Tool
http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/FixSirc.com
The fix tool will run from your desktop and will "automatically" 
rid your computer from the SirCam Trojan and clean up an 
entries from your registry files.

After running either fix tool -- reboot your system.

Hope this helps!

Richard
homeaffiliate at mail.com




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From WonderPaint-support at wonderpaint.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: WonderPaint-support at wonderpaint.com (WonderPaint-support at wonderpaint.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Many factors in the operating system that cause conflicts
Message-ID: <mailman.198.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From:  NICETY7078 at aol.com 
>Subject:  What can I do about my computer freezing? (Issue #439)
>
>My computer freezes when I use AOL and sometimes when 
>I'm just using the basic functions of Windows 98. My 
>defragmentor  keeps starting over and over and my scan 
>disk never finds anything wrong, but there has to be. 

Dear Nicety,

As regards your problem with Windoze freezing and locking 
up your computer I'm afraid your "SOL" as finding a true solution.  
There are many factors in the operating system that cause conflicts 
resulting in a locked machine.  One major problem is that many 
programs don't release memory when you exit.  When working 
in Windoze I've always taken the approach of rebooting on a 
regular basis before I've had problems, especially if I've opened 
and closed several different applications.

Back in August 1999 John Kirch, a Microsoft Certified Professional,
wrote an extensive article discussing the merits of a *nix operating
system vs Windows NT.  You can read it at 
http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/kirch/.  What was true back then is 
even truer today.  Every current "worm" you are hearing about 
on the news lately occurs in Windoze operating systems. 

 So, IMHO, the solution to your machine locking-up is to change 
the OS.  Running Linux, my machine has been up for periods of 
weeks at a time with no need to reboot.  In over a year of running 
I can count the lock-ups on one hand and have fingers left over. 
I have more software installed than I ever had in Windoze ... and 
the price is right -- free.

Jim Shofstall
webmaster at wonderpaint.com
http://www.wonderpaint.com

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Comments on Site #140:  http://www.prosperouswomen.bizland.com/masterminding
Margarete
MDegaston at aol.com
~~~~

I really love clean, uncluttered, easy to read and navigate 
sites like these two. They are both very attractive and well 
presented.  In my opinion, the book site could have been 
a little softer, or with similar characteristics to the next site, 
preparing me for the site that it links to, and having a 
relationship to it.

What I did feel most, was that I was expecting something 
related to the url  "prosperouswomen" to come up, as this 
"word" was what caught my attention and caused me to 
click in the first place.

I feel the book page should be a tool for the "PW" page and 
not a preface to it.  The main site should be the PW and the 
book site could be a link or a popup or an additional page.
(You need to take e out of changing on the book page.)

With these:

Find out how you can receive the free book.
Email us at directions4U at aol.com        
and
For this and a number of other free books on networkmarketing 
write to us at directions4U at aol.com

I would have liked these to be clickable links, rather than 
copy and paste.

Very nice job on the sites, Margarete ... I really liked them. 
(and I have ordered the book!)
~~~~

I waited over 70 seconds and had yet to see the first page.  
Could not determine if this was related to volume of graphics 
or where we were headed.
~~~~

Very clear, focused site with one page promoting a free book.

Don't underline text unless it's a link, or somehow distinguish 
between the links and that which is not.

I finally figured out the logo for properouswomen was also 
linked so I checked that out also. I think you need to make that 
link more noticeable, and also link to your bizland site.

If you used a form for ordering the book instead of sending a 
request message to an aol email address you would get more 
requests, and also might be able to automate this process.
~~~~

I loved this site because it was clear, simple and to the point.
It also peaked my curiosity and I followed the link supplied.  
If only other sites we so simplistic!
~~~~

With the masterminding site, the first sentence 'Major Impact 
on Your Life' is incomplete. There were also run-on sentences 
in the copy, even though the copy is quite effective. The box 
with "Life Changeing Insight" needs the 'e' taken out of 
'changeing', and it looked like the text could have been extended 
to go from side to side. In the first paragraph  '... an amazing 100 
year old text...' felt like it should be 'book' or 'secret' instead of 
using the word 'text'.  Also it would add credibility to say where 
or how or by whom it was discovered.

The message is clear, the site design simple. Two things that 
would make the site more effective (on getting people to request 
the book) would be to say if this is an ebook, how long it is, in 
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<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; ANSWERS:
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - What can I do about my computer freezing?
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<p>From:&nbsp; Richard DeLong&nbsp;&nbsp; - homeaffiliate at mail.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; More on the SirCam virus
<p>In Exchange Issue #440, JT wrote...
<p>>It's called the SirCam virus, and when it spreads, it sends
<br>>an apparently random file from the harddrives of infected
<br>>computers along with it. ANY file on your machine could
<br>>be copied and sent to hundreds of other users.
<p>I also have received both the virus and email on how to get
<br>rid of it.&nbsp; Luckily I don't open ANY attachments, unless I'm
<br>expecting them and then am still very careful.
<p>Here's the ways I was told to get rid of the thing:
<p>One Fix Tool:
<p>Download fix_sircam.com and run the file. It will scan Drive
<br>C:\ and subfolders and runs in DOS.
<br><a href="http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/security/fix_sircam.com">http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/security/fix_sircam.com</a>
<p>Another Trojan Fix Tool
<br><a href="http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/FixSirc.com">http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/FixSirc.com</a>
<br>The fix tool will run from your desktop and will "automatically"
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<p>After running either fix tool -- reboot your system.
<p>Hope this helps!
<p>Richard
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<p>From:&nbsp; WonderPaint&nbsp;&nbsp; - support at wonderpaint.com
<br>Subject:&nbsp; Many factors in the operating system that cause conflicts
<p>>From:&nbsp; NICETY7078 at aol.com
<br>>Subject:&nbsp; What can I do about my computer freezing? (Issue #439)
<br>>
<br>>My computer freezes when I use AOL and sometimes when
<br>>I'm just using the basic functions of Windows 98. My
<br>>defragmentor&nbsp; keeps starting over and over and my scan
<br>>disk never finds anything wrong, but there has to be.
<p>Dear Nicety,
<p>As regards your problem with Windoze freezing and locking
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<p>Comments on Site #140:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.prosperouswomen.bizland.com/masterminding">http://www.prosperouswomen.bizland.com/masterminding</a>
<br>Margarete
<br>MDegaston at aol.com
<br>~~~~
<p>I really love clean, uncluttered, easy to read and navigate
<br>sites like these two. They are both very attractive and well
<br>presented.&nbsp; In my opinion, the book site could have been
<br>a little softer, or with similar characteristics to the next site,
<br>preparing me for the site that it links to, and having a
<br>relationship to it.
<p>What I did feel most, was that I was expecting something
<br>related to the url&nbsp; "prosperouswomen" to come up, as this
<br>"word" was what caught my attention and caused me to
<br>click in the first place.
<p>I feel the book page should be a tool for the "PW" page and
<br>not a preface to it.&nbsp; The main site should be the PW and the
<br>book site could be a link or a popup or an additional page.
<br>(You need to take e out of changing on the book page.)
<p>With these:
<p>Find out how you can receive the free book.
<br>Email us at directions4U at aol.com
<br>and
<br>For this and a number of other free books on networkmarketing
<br>write to us at directions4U at aol.com
<p>I would have liked these to be clickable links, rather than
<br>copy and paste.
<p>Very nice job on the sites, Margarete ... I really liked them.
<br>(and I have ordered the book!)
<br>~~~~
<p>I waited over 70 seconds and had yet to see the first page.
<br>Could not determine if this was related to volume of graphics
<br>or where we were headed.
<br>~~~~
<p>Very clear, focused site with one page promoting a free book.
<p>Don't underline text unless it's a link, or somehow distinguish
<br>between the links and that which is not.
<p>I finally figured out the logo for properouswomen was also
<br>linked so I checked that out also. I think you need to make that
<br>link more noticeable, and also link to your bizland site.
<p>If you used a form for ordering the book instead of sending a
<br>request message to an aol email address you would get more
<br>requests, and also might be able to automate this process.
<br>~~~~
<p>I loved this site because it was clear, simple and to the point.
<br>It also peaked my curiosity and I followed the link supplied.
<br>If only other sites we so simplistic!
<br>~~~~
<p>With the masterminding site, the first sentence 'Major Impact
<br>on Your Life' is incomplete. There were also run-on sentences
<br>in the copy, even though the copy is quite effective. The box
<br>with "Life Changeing Insight" needs the 'e' taken out of
<br>'changeing', and it looked like the text could have been extended
<br>to go from side to side. In the first paragraph&nbsp; '... an amazing
100
<br>year old text...' felt like it should be 'book' or 'secret' instead
of
<br>using the word 'text'.&nbsp; Also it would add credibility to say where
<br>or how or by whom it was discovered.
<p>The message is clear, the site design simple. Two things that
<br>would make the site more effective (on getting people to request
<br>the book) would be to say if this is an ebook, how long it is, in
<br>what format it is, etc. and then also using a form for people to
<br>order instead of emailing. You should be able to pick up a form
<br>for this just about anywhere.
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From Richard  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: Richard (Richard)
Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Subject: DHS chief contemplating proactive cyber attacks (Steve Johnson)
Message-ID: <mailman.199.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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Steve Johnson, Homeland Security chief contemplating proactive cyber attacks
*San Jose Mercury News*, 16 Apr 2012 sjohnson at mercurynews.com,

Posted:   04/16/2012 07:35:38 PM PDT
Updated:   04/16/2012 09:08:36 PM PDT

http://www.mercurynews.com/rss/ci_20410915

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Monday she would consider
having tech companies participate with the government in "proactive" efforts
to combat hackers based in foreign countries.

Napolitano, who made the comments during a meeting at the *San Jose Mercury
News* with the editorial board and reporters, declined to say what steps
corporations and federal agencies might take against foreign cybercrooks,
who have been blamed for numerous computerized incursions against the United
States. She made the remarks in response to a question, and emphasized the
idea is merely one she would consider and that no decisions have been made.

In discussing the private partnerships she is promoting to combat
cyberattacks, Napolitano was asked if instead of just taking defensive
measures, the government and companies should be launching proactive
counterattacks against foreign-based culprits. "Should there be some aspect
that is in a way proactive instead of reactive?" she responded, and then
answered her own question with "yes." She added, "it is not something that
we haven't been thinking about," noting someone else had raised the subject
with her earlier Monday.

However, Napolitano said some restrictions might have to be placed on
businesses participating in such cyber activities because "what you are
doing is authorizing a private entity to do what might otherwise be
construed as an attack on another entity."

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Vision For Privacy
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:07:26 -0400
Sender: owner-pressrelease at zeroknowledge.com
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The Zero-Knowledge Systems Press Release http://www.zeroknowledge.com
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
IBM Announces An Enterprise Privacy Architecture
Protecting Brand, Building Customer Trust And Adding Business Value Through
Privacy Protection

SOMERS, NY -- 06/29/2001 -- IBM today unveiled a comprehensive Enterprise
Privacy Architecture (EPA) to address the complex privacy challenges facing
21st century businesses, governments and other organizations. The
patent-pending EPA provides a road map for privacy management and solutions
to help companies protect customer, employee and partner information.

"The Enterprise Privacy Architecture we're announcing today is a significant
privacy and business development. It affords organizations a framework for
efficiently imbedding their privacy requirements into every level of the
business, while integrating with existing e-business initiatives," said Mike
Bilger, global practice leader, security and privacy, IBM Global Services.

This architecture responds to business demand for tailored enterprise
privacy controls. It is designed to help organizations manage and protect
their three most vital assets -- data, customer relationships, and brand.
IBM's privacy blueprint balances growing needs for information with the
privacy concerns of individuals, thereby permitting integration of business
and external privacy rules, customer preferences, and privacy best practices
into line-of-business and customer-centric business processes. IBM developed
the EPA in response to client needs to move privacy beyond policy and to
align IT and management to make privacy work for businesses and their
customers.

"IBM's Tivoli Systems management team has been key contributors to the EPA,
and our Tivoli SecureWay Privacy Manager product serves as a major component
of the EPA road map initiative," said Jeff Smith, Senior Vice-President,
Application Products, Tivoli Systems Inc. "Combining the EPA with Tivoli
SecureWay Policy Director and Tivoli SecureWay Privacy Manager, security and
privacy policies can be monitored and enforced consistently across the
enterprise."

Zero-Knowledge Systems' Privacy Rights Management (PRM) technologies will
complement IBM's EPA, and help accelerate industry's ability to implement
the EPA vision.

"Zero-Knowledge(r) Systems' Privacy Rights Management technologies, in
concert with IBM's EPA, will for the first time provide businesses with the
privacy tools, methodology and expertise required to close the gap between
stated policies, customer preferences and operational realities," said John
Beans, Vice-President, Product Marketing, Enterprise Products,
Zero-Knowledge Systems.

The development of the EPA is based on the growing number of companies that
understand privacy as an essential element to cultivating strong
relationships by using information effectively and appropriately. The EPA
takes organizations a step further by helping to transform privacy from a
cost of doing business to a business value with strong return on investment
(ROI).
"The combination of the EPA blueprint and consulting services, together with
the technology capabilities of companies like Tivoli and Zero-Knowledge
Systems, will enable leaders around the world to approach the privacy
challenge strategically and efficiently," said Harriet Pearson, Chief
Privacy Officer, IBM.

Through a mix of consulting methodology and technology integration, the EPA
aligns corporate-level policy with practices and appropriate technologies
through rigorous EPA-based analysis of infrastructure, processes,
information flows, and practices. EPA identifies selected privacy risks and
opportunities to improve core business functions across an enterprise. EPA
can also be used assist enterprises in addressing and leveraging privacy for
e-business initiatives such as customer relationship management and business
intelligence implementations. An important part of the EPA privacy ROI is in
its scalability, flexibility and ability to leverage the best
privacy-enabling technologies available in the marketplace today -- such as
those from Tivoli and Zero-Knowledge Systems.

The Enterprise Privacy Architecture was designed by a cross-IBM team,
including expert privacy consultants from IBM's Privacy Center of
Competence, representatives of IBM's Research Division, IBM's Chief Privacy
Officer, and Tivoli Systems, alongside IBM's knowledge management and
pervasive computing teams and its customer database management group.

IBM Security and Privacy Consulting is part of IBM Global Services, the
world's largest information technology services provider. With nearly
150,000 professionals serving customers in 160 countries, IBM Global
Services reached revenue of more than $33 billion in 2000. IBM Global
Services integrates IBM's broad range of capabilities -- services, hardware,
software and research -- to help companies of all sizes realize the full
value of information technology. To learn more about the Enterprise Privacy
Architecture, Tivoli SecureWay Privacy Manager, industry solutions and
services, attend SecureWorld, IBM's End-to-End Security Conference, being
held August 27 through 31 in Washington, D.C. For more information please
visit www.ibm.com/training/conf/us/sw.

Tivoli SecureWay software enables e-businesses to increase revenue
opportunities by providing secure access for customers, prospects and
business partners, optimize operational expenses through centralized
single-action management, and effectively manage security threats, attacks
and exposures across the entire organization. For more information about
Tivoli SecureWay software, visit www.tivoli.com/security.

Zero-Knowledge Systems is a provider of privacy enabling technologies and
services. Combining security technologies, privacy expertise, and business
strategy, Zero-Knowledge offers comprehensive privacy and security solutions
for business. For more information please visit www.zeroknowledge.com

*Trademark of International Business Machines Corporation
**Tivoli Systems is a registered trademark of IBM
***Registered Trademark of Zero-Knowledge Systems

Contact: Jan Walbridge
Company: IBM
Phone: 914-766-4647
Email: walbridge at us.ibm.com

Contact: Cas Purdy
Company: Tivoli
Phone: 512-436-1211
Email: cpurdy at tivoli.com

Contact: Craig Silverman
Company: Zero-Knowledge Systems
Phone: 514-350-7556
Email: craig at zeroknowledge.com

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From pzakas at toucancapital.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: pzakas at toucancapital.com (Phillip H. Zakas)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
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Subject:        	RE: anonymity
Date sent:      	Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:08:54 -0500

>doubtful.  they probably receive the email at the destination then alert the
>chain-of-jurisdiction for investigation. count me as a technical skeptic of
>an 'untargeted' echelon program.
>phillip

I have a feeling the word intercepted is a slight exaduration of what 
actually occured.
-- 
If you can read this you've gone too far.




From all at biosys.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: all at biosys.net (Asymmetric)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.204.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> An aside is that I'm writing the application in Delphi 5, and the maximum
> native supported integer sizes are 32bit unsigned, and 64bit signed.. I've
> been writing a math library of my own in assembler that at compile time
> will allow you to specify the maximum bitsize you want it to support, but
> this is proving to be a mind-numbing task.. ;)  If anyone is familiar with
> Delphi and has any libraries like this already, I'd much appreciate
hearing
> about them..

The library I like most is HIT - http://www.znz.freesurf.fr; it's not free
though.

You could also find a good one at
http://ace.ulyssis.org/~triade/GInt/index.htm - it's the one recommended by
the writer of DCPCrypt (Dave Barton). [See www.scramdisk.clara.net ]

Mark








From whenopportunityknocksss at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: whenopportunityknocksss at yahoo.com (whenopportunityknocksss at yahoo.com)
Date: September 18, 2001
Subject: Awesome Cash in YOUR Mailbox
Message-ID: <mailman.205.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Dear Friend,

You can earn $50,000 or more in the next 90 days sending e-mail. Seem
impossible? Is there a catch?  NO, there is no catch; just send your e-mails
and be on your way to financial freedom. 

Basically, I send out as many of these e-mails as I can, then people send me
cash in the mail for information that I just e-mail back to them. Everyday, I
make a three minute drive to my P.O. Box knowing that there are at least a
few hundred dollars waiting for me.  And the best part, IT IS COMPLETELY LEGAL.

Just read the next few paragraphs and see what you think. If you like what
you read, great! If you don't, read it again because you must have missed
something.

"AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION" 

"Making over a half million dollars every 6 months from your home for an
investment of only $25 US dollars expense ONE TIME.  THANKS TO THE COMPUTER
AGE AND THE INTERNET, BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!!  Before
you say, "No Way!" read the following. This is the letter you've been reading
about in the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the
Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the
investigation of the program described below to see if it really can make
people money. 

The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their
findings proved once and for all that there are absolutely no laws
prohibiting the participation in this program. This has helped to show people
that this is a simple, harmless, and fun way to make some extra money at home. 

The results of this show have been truly remarkable. So many people are
participating that those involved are doing much better than ever before.
Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting
to be a part of it lately. You will understand once you experience it. 

"HERE IT IS BELOW" 

*** Print This Now For Future Reference *** 

The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a
look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment ($25) and the income
return is TREMENDOUS!!! 

THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. 

It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work,
and best of all, you never have to leave your house except to get the mail. 

Simply follow the instructions, and you really can make this happen. This
e-mail order marketing program works every time if you put in the effort to
make it work. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this
non-commercialized method of advertising NOW! 

The longer you wait, the more savvy people will be taking your business using
e-mail. Get what is rightfully yours. Program yourself for success and dare
to think BIG. It sounds corny, but it's true. You'll never make it big if you
don't have this belief system in place. 

MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability.  It is being
taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and the
Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and
services will be sold through multi-level methods. 
This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in
the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM.
Moreover, statistics show 45people become millionaires everyday through
Multi-Level Marketing. 

You may have heard this story before, but Donald Trump made an appearance on
the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost
everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating Trump said
he would find a good network marketing company and get to work. 
The audience, started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and
dead-panned his response. "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all
sitting out there!" 

With network marketing you have two sources of income. Direct commissions
from sales you make yourself and commissions from sales made by people you
introduce to the business. 

Residual income is the secret of the wealthy. It means investing time and
money once, and getting paid again and again and again. In network marketing,
it also means getting paid for the work of others. 

The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers.
Fortunately, sometime later I reread everything and gave some thought and
study to it.

My name is Jonathan Rourke. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for
the past twelve years down- sized and my position was eliminated. After
unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past
year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family,
friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my
business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and
borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT
MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share
that experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER
FINANCIALLY!!! 

In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to
receiving this program, I had been sending away for information on various
business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion were
not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or
the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work
or not. One claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year. It
didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! 

But like I was saying, in December I received this program. I didn't send for
it, or ask for it; they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS
FOR THAT!!! 
After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I
couldn't believe my eyes. 

Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. 

I could invest as much as I wanted to start without putting me further into
debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get
my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a
little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with
the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24 hrs) and they confirmed that it is
indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER,
I decided "WHY NOT." 

Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time
on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for
printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are filled via
e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is. I hope it
doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not 'rip-off"
anyone, no matter how much money it cost me. 
Here is the basic version of what you need to do: 

Your first goal is to receive at least 20 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks
of your first program going out. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL
YOU DO. 

Your second goal is to receive at least 150+ orders for Report #2 within 4
weeks. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. 

Once you have your 150 orders, relax, you've met your goal. You will make
$50,000+ but keep at it! If you don't get 150 right off, keep at it! It may
take some time for your down line to build. Keep at it, stay focused, and do
not let yourself get distracted. 

In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. I kept
at it - kept mailing out the program and by January 13, 1 had received 26
orders for REPORT #1. My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. 

By January 30, 1 had received 196 orders for REPORT #2; 46 more than I
needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I
received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and
bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program,
IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!  Remember, it won't work if you don't try
it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the
rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work,
you'll lose out on a lot of money! 

In order for this program to work very fast, try to meet your goal of 20+
orders for Report #1, and 150+ orders for Report #2 and you will make $50,000
or more in 90 days. If you don't reach the first two goals with in four
weeks, relax, you will still make a ton of money, it may take a few months or
so longer. But keep mailing out the programs and stay focused! That's the
key.  I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in
this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost
or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will
be on your way to financial security. 

If you are a fellow business owner and are in financial trouble like I was,
or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! 
-Sincerely,  Jonathan Rourke 

P.S.  Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up
on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME!

A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: 

By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have
concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been
created by an amateur. 

Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10
years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same
things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. 

Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me; it was the economy. Inflation and
recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. 

I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...because
many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and
bankruptcies than ever before. 

The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested
wisely and moved up. Those who did not including those who never had anything
to save or invest were moving down into the ranks of the poor. 

As the saying goes, 'THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The
traditional Methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get
rich". Inflation will see to that. 

You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for
the rest of your life, with "NO RISK"and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You
can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. 

Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It
works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this
exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this
to may send out 50,000 ... and your name will be on everyone of them! 

Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will
reach. 

So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and
opportunity to become financially independent.  IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! 

"THINK ABOUT IT." Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I
almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a
pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the
worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still
make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any
doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! -Jody
Jacobs, Richmond, VA 

HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ 

This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that
you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. 

Before you say "No Way!" please read this program carefully. This is not a
chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this
is what you do:  As with all multilevel businesses, we- build our business by
recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA
allows you to recruit new multilevel business partners, and we offer a
product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY
E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in
your own home, store, or office. 

This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what
you MUST do. 

1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (You can't sell them if you
don't have them). 

* For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE
ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a
problem). 

*MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE - IN CASE OF ANY MAIL
PROBLEMS! 

* When you place your order, make sure you order each of the five reports.
You need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and
resell them. 

* Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the five reports.
Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the
1,000's of people who will order them from you. 

2. IMPORTANT- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to
each report, or their order
on the list in any way other than as instructed below in steps "a" through
'g" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand
the way this works you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it.
Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. 

a. Look below for the listing of available reports. 

b. After you've ordered the. five reports, take this Advertisement and remove
the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the
cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000! 

c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. 

d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. 

e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3 

f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. 

g. Insert your name and address in the REPORT #1 position. 

Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! Copy and paste
method works well,.

3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it
to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. 

Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can
afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is
FREE! 

To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you
purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which
includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified
ads and much, much more. 

Here are two primary methods of building your downline: 

METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL 

Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll
assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's
also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. Using a good list, the
response could be much better. Also, many people will send out hundreds of
thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you
send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders
for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for
a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. 

Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5%
response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000
programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is I 0,000
orders for REPORT #4. That amounts to 10,000 each of $5 bills for you in CASH
MONEY! Then think about level five!  That's $500,000 alone!

Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000+ $50,000 + $500,000
for a total of $555,550!!! 

REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO
WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF
2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that and more! 

REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, and e-mail
software. 

METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 

1. Advertising on the Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS
of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see
how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate
on your first level. Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY
get a larger response. Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION
gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING
results below: 

1st level-your 10 members with $5 ....... $50 
2nd level-10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) ....... $500 
3rd level-10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000).......  $5,000 
4th level-10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10k) .......  $50,000 
5th level-10 members from those 10,000 ($5 x 100k) .......  $500,000

THIS TOTALS     -      $555,550 

Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit
10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to
participate! Most people get 100's of participants. 

THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them
the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL
ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR name and
address on it will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive
the report! 

AVAILABLE REPORTS         *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER, AND NAME *** 

* ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED *
- ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL - Make sure the cash is
concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper (SO THAT THE BILL
CAN'T BE SEEN AGAINST LIGHT)  On one of those sheets of paper include: 
(a) the number & name of the report you are ordering,
(b) your e-mail address, and 
(c) your name & postal address (in case your e-mail provider encounters
problems). 

PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: 

REPORT #1 "The Insiders Guide to Advertizing for Free on the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT FROM: 
Randy Ballard 
P.O. Box 8 
Osprey, FL 34229 

REPORT #2 "The Insiders Guide to Sending Bulk E-rnail on the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: 
Carolyn Bryan
5666 Beneva Woods Circle
Sarasota, FL 34233

REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: 
Tom Schneider	
8490 McIntosh Road
Sarasota, FL 34238 

REPORT #4 'How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel
Marketing and the Internet" 

ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: 
Sherry Gebhardt
81719 Lido Avenue
Indio, CA 92201

REPORT #5 "How to Send One Million E-Mails for Free."

ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: 
Christin Joy
CPO 2398
501 E. College Ave
Wheaton, IL 60187

About 50,000 new people get online every month! 

******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* 

* TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the
directions accurately. 

* Send for the five reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders
start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested
product/report. 

* ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. 

* Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions
exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! 

* ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! 

******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* 

Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: 

Start posting ads as soon as you mail off for the reports! By the time you
start receiving orders, your reports will be in your mailbox! For now,
something simple, such as posting on message boards something to the effect
of "Would you like to know how to earn $50,000 working out of your house with
NO initial investment? Email me with the keywords "more info" to find out
how. And, when they email you, send them this report in response! 

If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue
advertising or sending e-mails until you do. 

Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for
REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do.
Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX,
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From: wasrerlm at hotmail.com (Esoterica)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14.48.43 +0100
Subject: Cristallo Vivo
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From mp at misproductos.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: mp at misproductos.com (MisProductos.com)
Date: Monday 15-Oct-2001 16:13:12
Subject: Amigo(a), sabemos que estas interesado
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From declan at well.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
Message-ID: <mailman.206.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


> This robots.txt issue was exaggerated by leftist crtitics of the
> administration. (This is not a general defense of the White House,
> just a statement of fact.) The Bush WH.gov server has a special Iraq
> section where press releases, speeches, etc. are reposted in a
> different HTML template. The WH only wants the "master" copy indexed
> and not the duplicate copy in the second template. Hence the apparent
> weirdness in robots.txt.
>
> I have not found any skullduggery going on, though I suppose it
> wouldn't hurt to keep a copy of the Iraq section for "diff" purposes
> just in case.
>
> -Declan
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:59:07PM +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:56:24PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> > > Can somebody with a webspider crawl these documents, and put it up
> > > on the web?
> > >
> > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
> >
> > All or nearly all of them are duplicates of same documents
> > elsewhere in the directory tree; "X/text/" and "X/iraq/" are
> > supposed to be copies of "X/", with images removed in the first
> > case. I suspect that downloading them all would just confirm that.
> >
> > --
> > avva




From admin at pilobilus.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: admin at pilobilus.net (Steve Kinney)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: The USA Fake Of The Moon Landings
Message-ID: <mailman.207.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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On 12/13/2015 11:53 AM, Veg wrote:
> http://blackbag.gawker.com/did-stanley-kubrick-fake-this-video-of-
stanley-kubrick-1747558774


>Example:  No dust on the faceplate in a very famous photo of an
>astronaut on the moon.  This widely distributed "proof" of a moon
>landing hoax falls flat when placed in its native context:  The
>propaganda extravaganza around the Apollo program produced and
>published /lots/ of high quality graphics.  Time Magazine used all
>the photos they really liked, without referencing which were taken
>in training environments vs. on the Moon OR hesitating to
>extensively retouch the "real" pictures for maximum artistic quality

One ostensible 'disproof' of the moon landing was the claim that the video camera didn't show any stars in the moon's sky.  However, the scenery seen in those shots (lunar soil; equipment; astronauts) was extremely bright, somewhat like a beach in full sunlight.  The contrast ratios of (non-silicon) video pickup tubes in that era were not wide, meaning that any star in the sky (other than the sun) couldn't be visible AND show the backgrounds too.
         Jim Bell




From root at evip.pl  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: root at evip.pl (System antywirusowy)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10
Subject: Uwaga Wirus!
Message-ID: <200107261029.f6QASwq07678@ak47.algebra.com>



Wiadomo�� od:  "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Iwona=20S=B3odka?="<islodka at evip.com.pl>
 o temacie:  karty IV 2001
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Istnia�o niebezpiecz�stwo i� przesy�ane pliki mog� zawiera� wirusy.

Z powa�aniem:
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From mp at misproductos.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: mp at misproductos.com (MisProductos.com)
Date: Tuesday 23-Oct-2001 14:31:51
Subject: Y tu que pensabas que nada es gratis en esta vida
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From NoReply at ListMemberlist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
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Date: ��., 14 �.�. 2544 10:25:48
Subject: Ultimate Recruitment Solutions...
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From dmolnar at hcs.harvard.edu  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: dmolnar at hcs.harvard.edu (dmolnar)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.208.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> "private" ?

Ok, I was stupid. I skipped the "federal" word - I had the mistaken
impression that he contacted the credit bureaus.

Mark








From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
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From mp at misproductos.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: mp at misproductos.com (MisProductos.com)
Date: Wednesday 14-Nov-2001 18:29:47
Subject: Noticia de �ltima hora...
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From RodgerDry-usnthem at ticopa.quik.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: RodgerDry-usnthem at ticopa.quik.com (RodgerDry-usnthem at ticopa.quik.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Here's what to do so you're not bothered by this
Message-ID: <mailman.210.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

>From:  Maurice at southport88.fsnet.co.uk
>Subject:  My computer is asking for a .vxd file? (Issue #437)
>
>When opening my computor, I get the message that system
>can't find the file arkdoshk.vxd and if I have uninstalled it,to
>reinstall it? What is arkdoshk.vxd and what is a file vxd? Is it
>detremental to the running of my computor by not having it?

sounds like a Packard Bell.

arkdoshk.vxd is a virtual device driver that can sometimes
be overwritten by an update of DirectX. It's absence will
not harm your system.

Click "Start" and "Run"
type "Sysedit"
Erase this line from the SYSTEM.INI
[386enh] section: DEVICE=ARKDOSHK.VXD
Save and exit.

You should no longer be bothered with this.

Rodger
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From ssyreeni at cc.helsinki.fi  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: ssyreeni at cc.helsinki.fi (Sampo A Syreeni)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.211.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> On a similar vein, just about every somehow understandable version of free
> market theory is based on the assumption of a steady state market. The
> theory does not include a temporal element. If you want to study those,
> you're bound for such a quagmire of stochastic nonlinear differential
> equations that you would not believe. Hence, the global stability of any
> reasonably realistic model of markets is practically impossible to
> guarantee with current mathematical tools. It is quite possible for such
> systems to behave badly enough to kill most of the participants in the
> market, for instance. Besides, the basic continuity assumptions behind
> mathematical economics practically guarantee that the theory does not take
> such possibilities seriously - I know of no models which take into account
> the discrete, limited number of people participating in the market.

All fine and dandy, except it's completely useless. I am an Austrian - the
Austrians are dead set against "steady set markets", and dead set against
equations in economics. You don't need fancy equations for anything in
economics - look on www.mises.org

Mark








From ptrei at rsasecurity.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.212.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> Imagine if the software business were like this - that the programmers
> of the late 40's had formed an American Programmers Association,
> and it was unlawful for anyone without APA certification to write
> code for money.

Some people are trying to do this. See for example
http://www.colosseumbuilders.com/american.htm [I especially find the "no
foreign competition" (aka "no H1-B") disgusting. Tim May notwithstanding, we
DO compete with the americans - and a lot of us are better.]

Mark








From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
Message-ID: <mailman.213.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



At 1:59 PM -0800 11/20/2000, Bram Cohen wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote:
>
>> Perry's last sentence gets to the heart of the matter. If CAs
>> included a financial guarantee of whatever it is they are asserting
>> when they issue a certificate, then all these problems would go away.
>
>They aren't going to.
>
>-Bram Cohen
>

It's still early in the game to be so certain. But if you are right,
that in it self is an indictment of PKI. If there really is a market
for trust establishment and a form of PKI is the low cost producer of
trust, then someone should be able to make money by using their
expertise to assemble a technology suite and sell trust insurance
based on the spread between the risk perceived by the market and what
they know to be a lower risk. If such services never develop, it
either means there is no market or PKI doesn't have enough economic
impact to cover the costs of starting such a business.

Arnold Reinhold

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From cryptofreak at cpunk.us  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: cryptofreak at cpunk.us (CryptoFreak)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Is the Wikileaks Party a cypherpunk party?
Message-ID: <mailman.214.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On 08/21/2013 09:04 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 05:01:07AM -0500, CryptoFreak wrote:
> 
>>> So what do you think? Is their finally a political party more
>>> closely aligned with the cypherpunk ideal than the Libertarians?
> 
>> Don't forget the Pirate Parties. Despite all the fubars,
>> the German Pirate Party is expected to hit 3+% in the
>> national elections next months.

>I've looked into the Pirate Party but, at least from the American side
>of things, they seem like a 'one hit wonder' who's nearly solely focused
>on IP law reform. Perhaps this isn't the same in other places (I can't
>imagine they would have won major elections with a single issue
>platform) but here in the States, where they exist, it seems to be the case.

In a winner-take-all system like the US, third parties are irrelevant, except
insofar as they (like Bernie Sanders) caucus with one of the duopoly.

Birgitta Jonsdottir gets good press as a PP member of the Icelandic Parliament.

FOr what that's worth.






From marketing at evisiongroup.it  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: marketing at evisiongroup.it (b2beMarketplace)
Date: gio, 11 ott 2001 11.35.10 +0100
Subject: Internet...? Credici!!!
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From rguerra at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: rguerra at yahoo.com (Robert Guerra)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.216.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> I think that it should be written into Canada's constitution that ANY
> information about any Candadian citizen belongs to that citizen.

I'm so pissed off about this idea... You mean like I'd be sued for using
your name in this email? What if my name was "Robert" - do we "share" the
loot when we sue the cypherpunks node owner for using our names? Yuck.

Ownership is irrelevant to information; bits aren't naturally scarce. [What
if I'm using the number "32", which just happens to be your age? Or "174"
which happens to be your weight? What does "any information about any
citizen" mean?]

Mark








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From mp at misproductos.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: mp at misproductos.com (MisProductos.com)
Date: Tuesday 07-Aug-2001 13:56:49
Subject: Queremos que disfrutes esto...
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From anonymous at openpgp.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: anonymous at openpgp.net (anonymous at openpgp.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
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> Oct 19, 2000 - 06:55 AM
>
>             California Court Declines to Review
>             Vehicle Forfeiture Law
>             The Associated Press
>
>             SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - The state Supreme Court has
>             declined to review a ruling allowing police to seize vehicles
>             suspected of use in crimes such as drug dealing or soliciting
>             a prostitute.
>
>             Without comment, a majority of justices Wednesday decided
>             not to hear the American Civil Liberties Unions challenge to
>             Oaklands 1997 vehicle seizure law.

Naturally, a chemical solution (pun not directly intended...but I'll take it
anyway) becomes apparent.  If the ultimate motivation of the car siezures is
to sell them and keep the money, what would happen if somebody acquired a
few ounces or gallons of PCB's (poly-chlorinated biphenyls; common in
20+year-old (non-electrolytic) capacitors), and sprayed them (only a very
tiny amount per car should be necessary, maybe 1 milliliter or so?) into
those siezed cars though a broken window (or injected through door seals).
Naturally, it would  be important to anonymously call the local newspaper or
TV stations and report on what had occurred, possibly the EPA as well.  That
car would suddenly change from a $10,000 asset into possibly a $100,000
liability for the agency which siezed them..

Just a thought

Jim Bell
Better Living Through Chemistry







From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: Public Key Infrastructure: An Artifact...
Message-ID: <mailman.218.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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At 04:47 PM 11/22/00 -0800, Bram Cohen wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 Lynn.Wheeler at firstdata.com wrote:

>>the other scenerio that some certification agencies have
>>expressed (i.e. licensing bureaus, bbb, consumer report, etc
>>operations) is that in the online world ... that they would
>>provide an online service .... rather than certificates
>>designed for an offline world.

>Yes, it seems fairly well established that revocations just
>plain don't work.

>Once again, the solution to the problems of offline
>operation appears to be online operation.

And the annoying thing about this is that once we go to
needing an online trusted third party to allow us to have
secure communications, we may as well chuck the public key
stuff and just use symmetric ciphers and the key exchange
protocols worked out ten or fifteen years ago.  Which makes
me suspect that we're just not using public key mechanisms
very intelligently yet.  We've realized that screws are
better for many jobs than nails, it's just that they're so
damned hard to hammer in....

>-Bram Cohen

 --John Kelsey
        PGP: 5D91 6F57 2646 83F9  6D7F 9C87 886D 88AF
  ``Slavery's most important legacy may be a painful insight
  into human nature and into the terrible consequences of
  unbridled power.'' --Thomas Sowell, _Race and Culture_

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From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.219.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> I think you hit the nail on the head here. For most USAns these days the
> word "socialism" doesn't really mean anything specific

Socialism: state intervention in private transactions. By extension, any
state is socialist, or it's not really a state, but a company in the defense
(and maybe law) business.

Mark








From social-credit at googlegroups.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: social-credit at googlegroups.com (social-credit at googlegroups.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.220.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



From craig at zeroknowledge.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: craig at zeroknowledge.com (Craig Silverman)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: [Press Release List] Zero-Knowledge Systems Unveils Free,
Message-ID: <mailman.221.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Easy-To-Use Freedom 2.0 Inte
	rnet Privacy Suite: The Most Comprehensive Internet Privacy And Security
	Tool Available
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:32:47 -0500
Sender: owner-pressrelease at zeroknowledge.com
Reply-To: pressrelease at zeroknowledge.com

======================================================================
The Zero-Knowledge Systems Press Release http://www.zeroknowledge.com
======================================================================

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ZERO-KNOWLEDGE SYSTEMS UNVEILS FREE, EASY-TO-USE FREEDOM
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--Freedom 2.0 gives consumers free access to the most easy-
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Montreal - December 12, 2000 - Zero-Knowledge(R) Systems
Inc., the leading developer of privacy solutions for
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   Your Face Is Not a Bar Code:
   Arguments Against Automatic Face Recognition in Public Places

   Phil Agre
   http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/

   Version of 7 September 2001.
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Given a digital image of a person's face, face recognition software
matches it against a database of other images.  If any of the stored
images matches closely enough, the system reports the sighting to its
owner.  Research on automatic face recognition has been around for
decades, but accelerated in the 1990s.  Now it is becoming practical,
and face recognition systems are being deployed on a large scale.

Some applications of automatic face recognition systems are relatively
unobjectionable.  Many facilities have good reasons to authenticate
everyone who walks in the door, for example to regulate access to
weapons, money, criminal evidence, nuclear materials, or biohazards.
When a citizen has been arrested for probable cause, it is reasonable
for the police to use automatic face recognition to match a mug
shot of the individual against a database of mug shots of people who
have been arrested previously.  These uses of the technology should
be publicly justified, and audits should ensure that the technology
is being used only for proper purposes.

Face recognition systems in public places, however, are a matter for
serious concern.  The issue recently came to broad public attention
when it emerged that fans attending the Super Bowl had unknowingly
been matched against a database of alleged criminals, and when the
city of Tampa deployed a face-recognition system in the nightlife
district of Ybor City.  But current and proposed uses of face
recognition are much more widespread, as the resources at the end
of this article demonstrate in detail.  The time to consider the
acceptability of face recognition in public places is now, before
the practice becomes entrenched and people start getting hurt.

Nor is the problem limited to the scattered cases that have been
reported thus far.  As the underlying information and communication
technologies (digital cameras, image databases, processing power,
and data communications) become radically cheaper over the next two
decades, face recognition will become dramatically cheaper as well,
even without assuming major advances in technologies such as image
processing that are specific to recognizing faces.  Legal constraints
on the practice in the United States are minimal.  (In Europe the
data protection laws will apply, providing at least some basic rights
of notice and correction.)  Databases of identified facial images
already exist in large numbers (driver's license and employee ID
records, for example), and new facial-image databases will not be
hard to construct, with or without the knowledge or consent of the
people whose faces are captured.  (The images need to be captured
under controlled conditions, but most citizens enter controlled,
video-monitored spaces such as shops and offices on a regular basis.)
It is nearly certain, therefore, that automatic face recognition will
grow explosively and become pervasive unless action is taken now.

I believe that automatic face recognition in public places, including
commercial spaces such as shopping malls that are open to the public,
should be outlawed.  The dangers outweigh the benefits.  The necessary
laws will not be passed, however, without overwhelming pressure of
public opinion and organizing.  To that end, this article presents
the arguments against automatic face recognition in public places,
followed by responses to the most common arguments in favor.


Arguments against automatic face recognition in public places

  * The potential for abuse is astronomical.  Pervasive automatic
face recognition could be used to track individuals wherever they go.
Systems operated by different organizations could easily be networked
to cooperate in tracking an individual from place to place, whether
they know the person's identity or not, and they can share whatever
identities they do know.  This tracking information could be used
for many purposes.  At one end of the spectrum, the information could
be leaked to criminals who want to understand a prospective victim's
travel patterns.  Information routinely leaks from databases of all
sorts, and there is no reason to believe that tracking databases will
be any different.  But even more insidiously, tracking information can
be used to exert social control.  Individuals will be less likely to
contemplate public activities that offend powerful interests if they
know that their identity will be captured and relayed to anyone that
wants to know.

  * The information from face recognition systems is easily combined
with information from other technologies.  Industry often refers to
face recognition as "facial recognition" because they regard faces as
one modality of identification among many.  Among the many "biometric"
identification technologies, face recognition requires the least
cooperation from the individual.  Automatic fingerprint reading, by
contrast, requires an individual to press a finger against a machine.
(It will eventually be possible to identify people by the DNA-bearing
cells that they leave behind, but that technology is a long way
from becoming ubiquitous.)  Organizations that have good reasons to
identify individuals should employ whatever technology has the least
inherent potential for abuse, yet very few identification technologies
have more potential for abuse than face recognition.  Information
from face recognition systems is also easily combined with so-called
location technologies such as E-911 location tracking in cell phones,
thus further adding to the danger of abuse.

  * The technology is hardly foolproof.  Among the potential downsides
are false positives, for example that so-and-so was "seen" on a
street frequented by drug dealers.  Such a report will create "facts"
that the individual must explain away.  Yet the conditions for image
capture and recognition in most public places are far from ideal.
Shadows, occlusions, reflections, and multiple uncontrolled light
sources all increase the risk of false positives.  As the database
of facial images grows bigger, the chances of a false match to one of
those images grows proportionally larger.

  * Many social institutions depend on the difficulty of putting names
to faces without human intervention.  If people could be identified
just from looking in a shop window or eating in a restaurant, it
would be a tremendous change in our society's conception of the
human person.  People would find strangers addressing them by name.
Prospective customers walking into a shop could find that their
credit reports and other relevant information had already been pulled
up and displayed for the sales staff before they even inquire about
the goods.  Even aside from the privacy invasion that this represents,
premature disclosure of this sort of information could affect the
customer's bargaining position.

  * The public is poorly informed about the capabilities of the cameras
that are already ubiquitous in many countries.  They usually do not
realize, for example, what can be done with the infrared component
of the captured images.  Even the phrase "face recognition" does
not convey how easily the system can extract facial expressions.
It is not just "identity" that can be captured, then, but data that
reaches into the person's psyche.  Even if the public is adequately
informed about the capabilities of this year's cameras, software and
data sharing can be improved almost invisibly next year.

  * It is very hard to provide effective notice of the presence and
capabilities of cameras in most public places, much less obtain
meaningful consent.  Travel through many public places, for example
government offices and centralized transportation facilities,
is hardly a matter of choice for any individual wishing to live
in the modern world.  Even in the private sector, many retail
industries (groceries, for example) are highly concentrated, so that
consumers have little choice but to submit to the dominant company's
surveillance practices.

  * If face recognition technologies are pioneered in countries where
civil liberties are relatively strong, it becomes more likely that
they will also be deployed in countries where civil liberties hardly
exist.  In twenty years, at current rates of progress, it will be
feasible for the Chinese government to use face recognition to track
the public movements of everyone in the country.


Responses to arguments in favor of automatic face recognition in
public places

  * "All of the people in our database are wanted criminals.  We don't
store any of the images that our cameras capture, except when they
match an image in the database.  So the only people who have any cause
for complaint are criminals."

The problems with this argument are numerous:

(1) We have to trust your word that the only people whose images are
stored in the database are wanted criminals, and we have to trust
your word that you throw away all of the images that fail to match
the database.

(2) You don't really know yourself whether all of the people in the
database are criminals.  Quality control on those databases is far
from perfect, as the database of "felons" that was used to purge some
Florida counties' electoral rolls in 2000 demonstrated.

(3) Even if the only people in the database today are criminals, the
forces pushing us down a slippery slope of every-expanding databases
are nearly overwhelming.  Once the system is established and working,
why not add people with criminal records who have served their time?
Then we could add alleged troublemakers who have been ejected from
businesses in the past but have never been convicted of crimes, people
who have been convicted of minor offenses such as shoplifting, people
with court orders to stay away from certain places, missing persons,
children whose parents are worried about them, elders whose children
are worried about them, employees of the business where the system is
operating, and other individuals who have signed contracts agreeing to
be tracked.  And once those people are added, it is then a short step
to add many other categories of people as well.


  * "Public is public.  If someone happens to notice you walking in
the park, you have no grounds for complaint if they decide to tell
someone else where you were.  That's all we're doing.  You don't have
any reasonable expectation of privacy in a public place, and I have a
free-speech right to communicate factual information about where you
were."

A human being who spots me in the park has the accountability that
someone can spot them as well.  Cameras are much more anonymous and
easy to hide.  More important is the question of scale.  Most people
understand the moral difference between a single chance observation
in a park and an investigator who follows you everywhere you go.  The
information collected in the second case is obviously more dangerous.
What is more, custom and law have always recognized many kinds of
privacy in public.  For example, the press cannot publish pictures of
most people in personally sensitive situations that have no legitimate
news value.  It is considered impolite to listen in on conversations
in public.  Pervasive face recognition clearly lies at the morally
most problematic end of this spectrum.  The chance of being spotted
is different from the certainty of being tracked.

The phrase "reasonable expectation of privacy" comes from a US Supreme
Court decision.  The phrase has been widely criticized as useless,
since reason that reasonable expectations of privacy in a situation
can disappear as soon as someone starts routinely invading privacy
in that situation.  The problem is an often-exploited ambiguity in
the word "expectation", which can mean either a prediction (with no
logical implication that the world morally *ought* to hold conform
to it) or a norm (with no logical implication that the world actually
*will* conform to it).  In arguing in favor of a ban on automatic face
recognition in public places, one is not arguing for a blanket "right
of privacy in public", which would be unreasonable and impractical.
Rather, one is arguing for a right against technologically mediated
privacy invasions of certain types.  Technological mediation is key
because of its continuous operation, standardized results, lack of
other legitimate purposes, and rapidly dropping costs.

The argument about free speech rights is spurious because the proposed
ban is not on the transfer of information, but on the creation of
certain kinds of electronic records.  You still have the right to
communicate the same information if you acquire it in other ways.


  * "Automatic face recognition stops crime.  Police say they want it.
And if it prevents one child from being killed then I support it."

A free society is a society in which there are limits on what the
police can do.  If we want to remain a free society then we need
to make a decision.  Once a new surveillance technology is installed,
it is nearly impossible to stop the slippery slope toward ever broader
law enforcement use of it.  The case of automatic toll collection
makes this clear.  Absent clear legal protections, then, we should
assume from the beginning that any technology that captures personal
information will be used for law enforcement purposes, and not only in
cases where lives are immediately at stake.  The potential for abuse
should then be figured into our decision about whether the technology
should be deployed at all.  That said, it is hardly proven that face
recognition stops crime, when face recognition is being added to a
world that already contains many other crime-fighting technologies.
The range of crime detection technologies available to the police
has grown immensely in recent years, and even if one encountered a
case where a crime was solved using a given technology it by no means
follows that the crime would not have been solved equally well using
some other technology.


  * "Privacy prevents the marketplace from functioning efficiently.
When a company knows more about you, it can tailor its offerings
more specifically to your needs.  Of course if you ask people whether
scary face recognition systems should be banned then they'll say yes.
But you're asking the wrong question.  The right question is whether
people are willing to give up information in exchange for something
of value, and most people are."

This is a non sequitur.  Few proposals for privacy protection prevent
people from voluntarily handing information about themselves to
companies with which they wish to do business.  The problem arises
when information is transferred without the individual's knowledge,
and in ways that might well cause upset or harm if they became known.
What distinguishes automatic face recognition from many other equally
good identification technologies is that it can be used without the
individual's permission (and therefore without the individual having
agreed to any exchange).  That is why it should be banned.


  * "A preoccupation with privacy is corrosive.  Democracy requires
people to have public personae, and excessive secrecy is unhealthy."

Privacy does not equal secrecy.  Privacy means that an individual has
reasonable control over what information is made public, and what is
not.  Any decent social order requires that individuals be entrusted
with this judgement.  Even if particular individuals choose to become
secretive in a pathological way, forcing them to change will not help
the situation and is intrinsincally wrong anyway.  As to the value of
public personae, we should encourage the development of technologies
that give people the option to appear publicly where and how they want.


  * "What do you have to hide?"

This line is used against nearly every attempt to protect personal
privacy, and the response in each case is the same.  People have lots
of valid reasons, personal safety for example, to prevent particular
others from knowing particular information about them.  Democracy only
works if groups can organize and develop their political strategies
in seclusion from the government, and from any established interests
they might be opposing.  This includes, for example, the identities of
people who might travel through public places to gather for a private
political meeting.  In its normal use, the question "What do you have
to hide?" stigmatizes all personal autonomy as anti-social.  As such
it is an authoritarian demand, and has no place in a free society.


For more responses to bad arguments against privacy, see:
http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/arguments.html


News articles with background on face recognition.

Facial-Recognition System Gets Millions in Federal Funds
http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/016044.htm

Facial ID Systems Raising Concerns About Privacy
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12629-2001Jul31.html

Facial-Recognition Tech Has People Pegged
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/07/17/face.time.idg/

Face Scanners Turn Lens on Selves
http://wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,45687,00.html

Face-Recognition Systems Offer New Tools, but Mixed Results
http://www.biometricgroup.com/a_press/NYTimes_May_2001.htm

How Facial Recognition Software Finds Faces
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/CuttingEdge/cuttingedge010706.html

Law Enforcement Agencies Working on 3D Face Recognition Technology
http://asia.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/24/3d.face.recognition.idg/

Face-Recognition Technology Raises Fears of Big Brother
http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0%2C1249%2C150015975%2C00.html

Seeking Clues to Recognition ... in Your Face
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/health-science/html98/face_20000111.html

Smile, You're On Scan Camera
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,42317,00.html


Other sites with background information on face recognition technology
and its potential for privacy invasion.

Electronic Privacy Information Center Face Recognition Page
http://www.epic.org/privacy/facerecognition/

Coalition Declares December 24, 2001 to Be "World Subjectrights Day"
http://wearcam.org/wsd.htm

Facial Recognition Vendor Test 2000
http://www.dodcounterdrug.com/facialrecognition/DLs/FRVT_2000.pdf
http://www.dodcounterdrug.com/facialrecognition/FRVT2000/frvt2000.htm

Selected Facial Scan Projects
http://www.facial-scan.com/selected_facial_scan_projects1.htm

US government site for biometric technology (including face recognition)
http://www.biometrics.org/

Facing the Truth: A New Tool to Analyze Our Expressions
http://www.hhmi.org/bulletin/may2001/faces/

Biometrics: Face Recognition Technology
http://www.sans.org/infosecFAQ/authentic/face_rec.htm

Automatic Face and Gesture Recognition, Washington, 20-21 May 2002
http://degas.umiacs.umd.edu/pirl/fg2002/

the two dominant face recognition companies
http://www.visionics.com/faceit/
http://www.viisage.com/

other companies
http://www.visionspheretech.com/menu.htm
http://www.symtrontech.com/
http://www.cognitec-ag.de/
http://www.c-vis.com/htdocs/english/facesnap/
http://www.neurodynamics.com/
http://www.imagistechnologies.com/
http://www.spiritcorp.com/face_rec.html
http://www.bio4.co.uk/
http://www.bioid.com/
http://www.miros.com/solutions/face.htm
http://www.keyware.com/
http://www.bionetrix.com/


Web pages about technical research projects on face recognition.

directory of face recognition research
http://www.cs.rug.nl/~peterkr/FACE/face.html

Face Recognition and Detection
http://home.t-online.de/home/Robert.Frischholz/face.htm

DoD Counterdrug Program Face Recognition Technology Program
http://www.dodcounterdrug.com/facialrecognition/Feret/feret.htm
http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/humanid/feret/feret_master.html

Wearable Face Recognition and Detection
http://www.gvu.gatech.edu/ccg/projects/face/

Identification of Faces From Video
http://staff.psy.gla.ac.uk/~mike/videoproj.html

Evaluation of Face Recognition Algorithms
http://www.cs.colostate.edu/evalfacerec/

slides from an MIT course on human and artificial face recognition
http://web.mit.edu/9.670/www/

Gesture Recognition Home Page (related technology)
http://www.cybernet.com/~ccohen/


Articles about face-recognition controversies in various places,
roughly in reverse chronological order.

Borders stores

first Borders says it "suspended any plans to implement" face recognition ...
http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO63359,00.html

... then it denies that it ever had any such intention
http://www.politechbot.com/p-02447.html

Borders is planning to use face recognition to identify shop-lifters
http://www.sundayherald.com/18007/


casinos

Smart Cameras at Casinos Spark a Debate on Privacy
http://www.uniontrib.com/news/metro/20010717-9999_1n17cameras.html

Privacy Commissioner Reassures Public That Casinos Are Not Scanning All Patrons
http://www.ipc.on.ca/english/whatsnew/newsrel/casino01.htm

OPP uses secret cameras in casinos
("police are secretly scanning the faces of customers at all Ontario casinos")
http://www.efc.ca/pages/media/2001/2001-01-16-a-torontostar.html

Global Cash Access Signs New Contracts With 20 Gaming Properties
(face-recognizing ATM machines in casinos)
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010823/232101_3.html

Smile! You're on Casino Camera
http://wbbm.cbsnow.com/now/story/0,1597,274604-240,00.shtml


Virginia Beach, Virginia

Technology Helps Authorities Keep a Constant Eye on Public
http://www.pilotonline.com/news/nw0827cam.html

Beach May Scan Oceanfront Faces
http://www.pilotonline.com/news/nw0706fac.html


Huntington Beach, California

Imagis and ORION Chosen to Install Biometrics by Huntington Beach Police
http://cipherwar.com/news/01/imagis_big_brother.htm


Jacksonville, Florida

Police Snooper Camera Fight Still Alive
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/083101/met_7161286.html

Florida City Moves to Ban Face-Recognition System
http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/fcw2.htm


Pinellas County, Florida

Face Recognition System Will Be Used by Florida Sheriff's Office
http://www.friendsofliberty.com/files/2001/07/27/02.htm


Britain

Think Tank Urges Face-Scanning of the Masses
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/20966.html

face recognition technology in the UK
http://www.urban75.com/Action/cctv.html
http://www.sourceuk.net/articles/a00624.html

Newham Council Launches "Face Recognition" in the UK
http://www.newham.gov.uk/press/julythrunov98/facereg.html

Joyrider, 14, Is First Tagging Guinea Pig
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2001242628,00.html


Colorado

Colorado Governor Doesn't Want Face Recognition Technology Abused
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/den/entertainment/stories/technology-8 
7985620010719-070716.html

Colorado Won't Use Facial Recognition Technology on Licenses
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/den/entertainment/stories/technology-8 
6955020010712-110740.html

Colorado To Use Face Recognition Photos To Stop ID Theft
http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/167655.html

Colorado to "Map" Faces of Drivers
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1002,11%257E57823,00.html


Minnesota

Minnesota Adopts Visionics' FaceIt for Integrated Mug Shot Database System
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010814/142123.html


Super Bowl

Face Scans Match Few Suspects
http://www.sptimes.com/News/021601/TampaBay/Face_scans_match_few_.shtml

ACLU Protests High-Tech Super Bowl Surveillance
http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001-02-02-super-bowl-surveillance.htm

Super Bowl Surveillance: Facing Up to Biometrics
http://www.rand.org/publications/IP/IP209/IP209.pdf

Feds Use Biometrics Against Super Bowl Fans
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/16561.html

Cameras Scanned Fans for Criminals
http://www.sptimes.com/News/013101/TampaBay/Cameras_scanned_fans_.shtml


Tampa, Florida

Facial Frisking in Tampa
http://www.privacyfoundation.org/commentary/tipsheet.asp?id=46&action=0

complete directory of Tampa news articles through early August from the ACLU
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/aclutampacam.html

"Big Brother" Cameras on Watch for Criminals
http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001-08-02-big-brother-cameras.htm

"They made me feel like a criminal"
http://www.sptimes.com/News/080801/TampaBay/_They_made_me_feel_li.shtml

Tampa Face-Recognition Vote Rattles Privacy Group
http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/168677.html

Civil Rights or Just Sour Grapes?
http://www.sptimes.com/News/080301/TampaBay/Civil_rights_or_just_.shtml

Tampa City Council meeting which voted to keep the face recognition cameras
http://www.ci.tampa.fl.us/appl_Cable_Communications_closed_captioning/ 
frmAgenda.asp

Click. BEEP! Face Captured
http://www.sptimes.com/News/071901/Floridian/Click_BEEP_Face_captu.shtml

Tampa Gets Ready For Its Closeup
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,167846,00.html

Masked Protesters Fight Face Scans
http://www.sptimes.com/News/071501/TampaBay/Masked_protesters_fig.shtml

Tampa Puts Face-Recognition System on Public Street
http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001-07-13-tampa-surveillance.htm

Congressional Leader Calls for Action on Ybor City Surveillance
(Ybor City is a busy nightlife neighborhood of Tampa)
http://www.wtsp.com/news/2001_07/12_ybor_cameras.htm

ACLU Probes Police Use of Facial-Recognition Cameras in Florida City
http://www.aclu.org/news/2001/n070601a.html
http://freedom.house.gov/library/technology/aclu.asp

Tampa Scans the Faces in Its Crowds for Criminals
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/04/technology/04VIDE.html

public radio report about the controversy
http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20010702.atc.14.rmm

Ybor Police Cameras Go Spy-Tech
http://www.sptimes.com/News/063001/TampaBay/Ybor_police_cameras_g.shtml

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From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Prinz Harvey L)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: tour vegas
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From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Piper J A)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: just in time
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etc
etc
etc

Am I uniquely blessed with this problem, or is this some new way for
spammers to ensure they are hated even more than serial child molesters
and terrorists.

I think this really crosses the line into blatant illegality, and is a
racheting up of spammer scumminess way beyond simply trying to evade
filters with P'E'N'I'S and gratuitous HTML in the middle of suspicious
words.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"




From declan at well.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.226.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> Carl is most certainly not an idiot. In fact, there might be a reasonable
> argument for this: You're changing the defaults of a contract by
specifying
> what should be interpreted as reasonable authentication or not. Still,
> I don't agree with it, and it's something that should be left up to the
> courts, not Washingtonians and their lobbyists.

In my opinion, everything should be left to the market to solve, and nothing
to politicians. I'd agree with you about the courts if they were private.

Mark








From dburt at n2h2.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: dburt at n2h2.com (dburt at n2h2.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: "Nuremberg Files"-type case  involving Conservatives wanting 
Message-ID: <mailman.227.1576007130.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Leftist "Wanted List" Removed
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:53:59 -0800
To: <mnemonic at well.com>, <declan at well.com>, <volokh at law.ucla.edu>

I'd like to hear what the Oregon branch of the ACLU thinks about this,
after they advocating closing "The Nuremberg Files":

Attorney Calls on Justice Dept to Close Hate Site
By Lawrence Morahan
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
November 26, 2001

(CNSNews.com) - A prominent First Amendment lawyer called on the U.S.
Justice Department to conduct an immediate investigation of an Internet
site that advocates "a horrible death by any means" for people who
oppose homosexual activism.

The web site, usqueers.com, is in violation of state and federal law for
advocating the murder of specific individuals, including former
President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Strom Thurmond, First Amendment
attorney John B. Thompson said.

"This is clearly left-wing domestic terrorism which Justice [Department
officials] and the FBI must move on immediately with a shut down of the
site and an arrest of B. Allen Ross, who operates the site from San
Diego," Thompson said in a Nov. 25 letter to Attorney General John
Ashcroft.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200111/CUL20011126d.html


Website Urges Death for 'Heterosexual Supremacists'
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
November 26, 2001

(CNSNews.com) - A former U.S. president and a sitting U.S. senator are
among the targets of a website that advocates "a horrible death by any
means" for people it describes as heterosexual supremacists.

Former President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) are among
those described as "het supremacists" by usQueers.com.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200111\CUL20011126b.html

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From dov at zeroknowledge.com  Tue Dec 10 11:45:29 2019
From: dov at zeroknowledge.com (Dov Smith)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:45:29 -0000
Subject: [Zero-Knowledge Press Release] Zero-Knowledge Systems Files
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Preliminary Prospectus For Initial P
	ublic Offering
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:15:06 -0400
Sender: owner-zks-press at zeroknowledge.com

==================================================================
Zero-Knowledge Systems Press Release, http://www.zeroknowledge.com
==================================================================

For Immediate Release

Zero-Knowledge Systems Files Preliminary Prospectus For Initial Public
Offering

MONTREAL, Quebec-June 3, 2002-Zero-Knowledge. Systems, a provider of
security and privacy software for consumers and businesses, today announced
it has filed a preliminary prospectus for an initial public offering.

The net proceeds of the offering will be used to fund the commercial growth
of the company's consumer and enterprise software solutions. The offering
would consist of the issuance of common shares listed on the TSX-Venture
Exchange under the ticker symbol 'ZKS'. Yorkton Securities Inc. is acting as
underwriter for the offering.

About Zero-Knowledge Systems

Zero-Knowledge Systems (www.zeroknowledge.com) is a provider of security and
privacy solutions for consumers and businesses. The Company's consumer
product, Freedom. Security & Privacy Suite 3.2, is a defence against hackers
and viruses, and it enables web-browsers to retain their security and
privacy while using the Internet. The Company's corporate solution,
Enterprise Privacy Manager (EPM) 1.0, enables enterprises to define,
implement and manage corporate privacy policies and practices within their
existing IT environment. Zero-Knowledge Systems is headquartered in
Montreal, Quebec. Media can visit the online pressroom at
http://www.zeroknowledge.com/media.

For further information:

Dov Smith/Zero-Knowledge Systems
514.350.7553/dov at zeroknowledge.com

David Mason/The Equicom Group
416.815.0700 x 237/dmason at equicomgroup.com

--------------------------

A l'attention des ridacteurs de la chronique affaires :

Zero-Knowledge Systems dipose un prospectus provisoire pour un placement
initial de titres

MONTREAL, QC, le 3 juin-Zero-Knowledge Systems, fournisseur de logiciels de
sicuriti et de protection des renseignements aux consommateurs et aux
entreprises, a annonci aujourd'hui qu'elle a diposi un prospectus provisoire
pour un placement initial de titres.

Le produit net du placement servira ` financer la croissance commerciale des
solutions logicielles de la Sociiti, destinies aux consommateurs et aux
entreprises. Le placement consisterait en l'imission d'actions ordinaires
inscrites ` la Bourse de croissance TSX sous le symbole +ZKS;. Yorkton
Securities Inc. agira ` titre de preneur ferme.

A propos de Zero-Knowledge Systems

Zero-Knowledge Systems (www.zeroknowledge.com) est un fournisseur de
solutions de sicuriti et de protection des renseignements aux consommateurs
et aux entreprises. Le produit grand public de la Sociiti, le progiciel de
sicuriti et de protection des renseignements Freedom 3.2, est un outil de
difense contre les pirates informatiques et les virus. Il assure la sicuriti
et la confidentialiti des renseignements pour les navigateurs Web lors du
branchement ` Internet. La solution d'affaires de la Sociiti, Enterprise
Privacy Manager (EPM) 1.0, permet quant ` elle de difinir, d'implanter et de
girer les politiques et les pratiques de confidentialiti des renseignements
dans les entreprises ` partir de l'environnement informatique qui y privaut.
Zero-Knowledge Systems a son sihge social ` Montrial. Les midias peuvent
consulter la salle des nouvelles virtuelle du site Web de la Sociiti `
l'adresse http://www.zeroknowledge.com/media.

Pour de plus amples renseignements, communiquez avec :

Dov Smith/Zero-Knowledge Systems
514 350-7553/dov at zeroknowledge.com

David Mason/The Equicom Group
416 815-0700, poste 237/dmason at equicomgroup.com

________________________________

  Dov Smith
  Director of Public Relations
  Zero-Knowledge Systems, Inc.
  T 514.350.7553 F 514.286.2755
  mailto:dov at zeroknowledge.com
  www.zeroknowledge.com/media
________________________________

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