[ZS] Re: Bitcoin, Empire of void*

[Jacob Schultz]

My request comes from the fact that, as far as I know, you cannot use a QR 
code to pay POS at an establishment, say at like 7/11. People easily become 
more well antiquated with quick POS payment methods. I.E. (not in 
chronological order) Charlie cards in boston, the upcoming paypass enabled 
NYC subway turnstiles (they completed a trial a little while back), the 
mobil speedpass which has been around for years 
(https://www.speedpass.com/forms/frmSpHome.aspx), and then most recently 
NFC enabled payment terminals popping up everywhere in the US. Anyone can 
apply for an NFC (really RFID, but same tapping concept...) enabled 
credit/debit cards easily now: http://www.paypass.com/, 
http://usa.visa.com/personal/cards/card_technology/paywave.html, 
https://www295.americanexpress.com/cards/loyalty.do?page=expresspay, 
https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/help-center/account/zip/.

I'm sorry, but you cannot tell me NFC is uncommon functionality. Three to 
four of Sprint's cellphone are now NFC enabled; I'm sure other carriers are 
simultaneously following suit. Familiarity with tapping to pay will reach 
the masses through mobile phones, if it hasn't already through the card 
companies ...


On Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:30:01 PM UTC-4, The Doctor [412/724/301/703] 
wrote:
>
> I am uncertain about what you mean by NFC phones.  At first scratch it 
> sounds like an uncommon functionality in the United States.  What I can say 
> is that people generate and use QR codes right now.  They recognize and 
> make use of them and have for a while.  What I suggest is that we make use 
> of what is being used right now.
>
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> On Jun 29, 2012 10:57 PM, "Jacob Schultz" <jake at aol.jp> wrote:
>
>> You're right, I spoke too generally. People are familiar in some way with 
>> QR codes, they've overtaken the NYC subway for example...fair enough.
>>
>> I don't mean to really get down to brass tacks, but "generating a QR 
>> code" is exactly the problem I'm trying to combat. You have to open an app 
>> (the duration of this action is variable depending on the hardware and 
>> software involved) and then push a button to generate the code. Then you 
>> have to line up the receiving camera to the code! I'm not sure this system 
>> actually takes 1-2 seconds. Yes, you could put a shortcut on the home 
>> screen but, seriously, who wants more home screen clutter? - don't take 
>> this notion as the keystone of my argument though: the true argument is 
>> about aesthetics. 
>>
>> The NFC chip instantly recognizes its proximity with another. I think one 
>> would find it difficult to argue that the QR code is a more attractive 
>> payment solution. I maintain that we're looking for elegance here: I hope 
>> I'm not speaking too generally again, but I think the bitcoin is still 
>> understood by many to be some kind of hacker-demon-currency, no? I want to 
>> create a paradigm change through ease of use. 
>>
>> I feel like your attitude is not just your own, but is shared by many, 
>> and I believe it will hinder ubiquitous adoption...where are my bitcoin NFC 
>> interface developers?
>>
>> much love,
>>
>> Jake
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 29, 2012 10:10:30 PM UTC-4, The Doctor [412/724/301/703] 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Jacob Schultz <jake at aol.jp> wrote: 
>>>
>>> They only take a second or two to generate.  It takes long than that 
>>> to send a text message over here. 
>>>
>>> > In addition, I'm pretty sure the average user in the United States 
>>> doesn't 
>>> > know what a QR code is. I'm asking for an NFC solution because it 
>>> provides 
>>>
>>> The average user in the States knows what a QR code is.  They're all 
>>> over the place.  On buses.  In magazines.  They encode nutritional 
>>> information on menus in restaurants for the Weight Watchers mobile 
>>> app.  On street signs.  On packaging.  There is even QR code graffiti 
>>> stencilled on walls and on stickers. 
>>>
>>> > the necessary incentive for popular adoption - NFC is what people are 
>>> going 
>>> > to become used to for mobile payments, not QR codes. 
>>>
>>> Let's see what happens. 
>>>
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