[ZS] Re: Is there a consumer market at all?

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On 10 June 2012 14:42, Michael Hrenka <metahorse at googlemail.com> wrote:
> If 6. turns out to be a major factor in the true explanation of the
> phenomenon there's a real chance for Zero State to exploit the current
> situation by designing effective interactive market procedures. There
> are just no good places for producers and consumers to meet each
> other. In other words there are no good forums - and "forum" is simply
> the Latin word for "market". With our modern online technology the
> time and resource requirements for an interactive participation of
> consumers in the production process might be minimized drastically.
> Some companies start to reach out for customers on platforms like
> Twitter and Facebook and try to get into a real conversation with
> them. However, Twitter and Facebook look like very suboptimal forums
> for interactive markets. I'm rather looking for something that changes
> our production processes like Khan Academy changed our education
> processes. There might be a serious amount of cash behind an idea like
> this.

I've stayed out of this conversation so far, but there are a couple of
points here I can't resist. This first is the idea of developing a
ZS-affiliated trading forum that could end up being of tremendous
value, even if your arguments are incorrect, Michael. You may remember
that in Munich we talked about setting up some kind of trading forum
as part of project RES-2:

https://sites.google.com/site/zsorg2/10-res-2-bitcoin/res-2-b-implementation

That was envisaged as a way to encourage use of Bitcoin, and also
probably anonymous. Right now I have 2 questions: (1) Are these two
features compatible with the idea of an interactive market, do you
think? (2) What other features would be good or necessary?


> P.S.: Furthermore I propose that we refrain from using terms like
> "capitalist", "socialist", "free markets", "centralised",
> "decentralised", "planning", and so on, because those terms come with
> too much ideological baggage! Please try to use other words that
> actually describe what you mean. Otherwise we really land in a
> situation where capitalism = socialism = planning = centralised =
> markets = free markets = capitalism.


I second this wholeheartedly. At first I had hoped that we could talk
about the big ideological poles or trends in a detached way, but we
are being distracted by ingrained thought habits and preconceptions.
In fact, I think that insisting that people focus upon specifics
rather than shorthand would be very much in the spirit of our
Principle of Construction - well said, and many thanks Michael!

http://transhumanpraxis.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/37-pillars-4-the-principle-of-construction/

- A

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