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From bennett at cs.niu.edu  Wed Aug  1 01:14:27 2012
From: bennett at cs.niu.edu (Scott Bennett)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 03:14:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tor-relays] Call for discussion: turning funding into more
	exit relays
Message-ID: <mailman.3620.1576008236.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

     On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:23:57 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> 4) What exactly do we mean by diversity?
>>
>> I would look at this almost entirely from a jurisdictional and ISP level.  I
>> believe the biggest "sudden impact" threats to the tor network are going to
>> be from legal changes (jurisdictional, i.e. "save the children, nullroute
>> the nodes") and local business policy changes ("sorry tor customers, no more
>> tor egress from our DC due to complaints").
>
>I'm not sure which thread I mentioned this on so I'll put it here to be sure.
>I think one main thing needed is a project to catalog all the current
>exits as to their diversity...
>Box: ISP/hoster, AS, datacenter, country, upstream AS/Tier-n path,
>relay-operator
>Relay-operator: country
>
>Without that, seems like placing nodes amounts to, 'Well,
>we don't have any in Iran, let's go there'. If it turns out that
>IP is more or less fed as a courtesy from UAE across the
>gulf, there's not much gain. Repeat analysis for any of the
>above parameters.
>
>More nodes are probably good, just not all as USA, Equinix,
>Level3, with whatever hoster has a rack in all the DC's.

     I agree completely.  But I would also like to add that, aside from
Brasil, most of South America is still dark.  Central America is not
much better either.  Many of those states are not especially cooperative
with each other, politically speaking, yet they all need the benefits of
commerce associated with the Internet.  That combination strikes me as
beneficial to placement of tor relays in as many of those countries as
possible.
     Much of Africa may be worth closer examination for the same reasons.
     We really need to keep political diversity in view, especially given
the large fractions of the tor network currently concentrated inside a
mere handful of politically allied states.  The Dictator of the U.S., for
example, has already made the threat of shutting down the entire U.S.
portion of the Internet, including relaying between other countries,
which would certainly have a severely disruptive effect upon tor users
all around the globe were it to happen under today's distribution of tor
relays.  Even more drastic would be if any of, for example, the U.K.,
France, Germany, or the Netherlands were to follow suit.  Having countries
like Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru, and Ecuador more tor-populated looks to
me like a good thing.
     Another point I'd like to make is that I don't see why having one
100 MB/s relay is somehow better than having ten 10 MB/s relays or 20
5 MB/s relays.  The superhigh-speed relays push operating system limits
on the number of connections.  Due to tor's design, distributing the
workload of such relays across multiple CPU cores is problematic.  Olaf
Selke got around that problem by running four nodes on a quad-core
machine with two IP addresses, but that meant that each node usually ran
at less than 15 MB/s.  For a superfast setup today, it might mean running
multiple 25 MB/s nodes in similar fashion to what Olaf did, rather than
a single 100 MB/s node.  The benefit to tor users would seem to me to
be the same either way, but the multinode method would not satisfy the
demand of the funding source, as I understood it.  Either way, though,
the operating system limits may place keep a lid on the actual tor
capacity of a very fast setup.
     From an infrastructure standpoint, I acknowledge that there can be
problems in setting up really fast relays in Latin American countries.
However, adding a few relays on the order of 500 - 5,000 KB/s in each
Latin American country could probably be done, even if it meant they
could only be set up in national capitals, which are mostly
megalopolises of several million people, and might involve making
special arrangements with the ISPs.  Other major cities in some
countries may also have the infrastructure to make moderately fast
relays possible.


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From: bttf at datacosystems.com (=?koi8-r?B?88XNyc7B0iDQ0s8gz8bG28/S2Q==?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 04:17:12 -0800
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From saftergood at fas.org  Wed Aug  1 10:09:11 2012
From: saftergood at fas.org (Steven Aftergood)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:09:11 -0700
Subject: Secrecy News -- 08/01/12
Message-ID: <mailman.3621.1576008236.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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SECRECY NEWS
from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy
Volume 2012, Issue No. 78
August 1, 2012

Secrecy News Blog:  http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/


**     WHAT IS AN UNAUTHORIZED DISCLOSURE?
**     US ARMS SALES TO PAKISTAN, AND MORE FROM CRS


WHAT IS AN UNAUTHORIZED DISCLOSURE?

The anti-leak provisions proposed by the Senate Intelligence Committee in
the pending FY2013 intelligence authorization act have been widely
criticized as misconceived and ill-suited to achieving their presumed
goals.

	http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2012/07/press_public.html

But they also suffer from a lack of clarity and an absence of definitions
of crucial terms.

For example, there is no clear definition of "the news media" to whom
unauthorized disclosures are to be prohibited, as noted today by Josh
Gerstein in Politico.  Certainly a reporter for a national news
organization is a member of the news media, but what about a blogger who
produces original reporting?  Or a tweeter who spreads previously
undisclosed information?

Nor is the term "classified information" defined in the new bill as
precisely as one would wish.  By contrast, the Freedom of Information Act,
for example, limits withholding of information on national security grounds
to records that are "properly classified."  Merely being "classified" is
not enough to warrant an exemption from disclosure under FOIA.  (In a
pending lawsuit, a court has ordered the US Trade Representative to
publicly release a classified document that the court said was not properly
classified. The government has so far refused.  Which position is
"authorized"?)

The new Senate bill does not make any practical distinction between
properly and improperly classified information, though it directs the DNI
to address the issue in a report to Congress (section 504).

In fact, the very concept of an "unauthorized disclosure" is not clearly
articulated in the bill.  What is it, exactly?  Though the answer may seem
obvious, it is actually subject to conflicting interpretations.

According to a May 8, 2004 FBI interview with then-Vice President Dick
Cheney, "it is possible to talk about something contained in a classified
document without violating the law regarding declassification [sic]."

	http://www.governmentattic.org/6docs/FBICheneyPlame_2004.pdf

"For example, the Vice President has made numerous public statements about
Iraq's weapons of mass destruction which were based on and, in some cases
tracked, his reading of classified information...," according to the FBI
record of the interview.  

"However, he did not violate any relevant laws or rules in making these
statements because he did not reveal the confidential sources or methods
involved in gathering the classified information," the Vice President told
the FBI (at p. 26).

"Vice President Cheney advised that he believed it was justifiable to rely
on classified information to shape and inform what one says publicly."

This is not a particularly orthodox view of classification policy.  But
would such reliance on classified information in public statements
constitute an unauthorized disclosure in the eyes of the Senate
Intelligence Committee?  It's unclear.

In any event, the Senate Intelligence Committee bill would not apply to
White House officials.  Nor would it penalize unauthorized disclosures
originating in Congress.

The inconsistency in the Senate approach was highlighted today in two
articles:

"Bill to plug leaks doesn't reach White House" by Josh Gerstein, Politico:

	http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/79237.html

and "Senate's anti-leaking bill doesn't address the real sources of
information" by David Ignatius, Washington Post:

	http://wapo.st/N1XQZJ


US ARMS SALES TO PAKISTAN, AND MORE FROM CRS

New products of the Congressional Research Service that have not been made
readily available to the public include these:

Major U.S. Arms Sales and Grants to Pakistan Since 2001, July 25, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/pakarms.pdf

Direct Overt U.S. Aid and Military Reimbursements to Pakistan,
FY2002-FY2013, July 27, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/pakaid.pdf

Georgia [Republic]: Recent Developments and U.S. Interests, July 13, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/97-727.pdf

The Proposed Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement: Background and Key
Issues, July 19, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41107.pdf


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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  1 02:00:46 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:00:46 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] Comments from Chile
Message-ID: <20120801090046.GR12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  1 02:52:48 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 11:52:48 +0200
Subject: [tor-relays] Call for discussion: turning funding into more
  	exit relays
Message-ID: <20120801095248.GY12615@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Scott Bennett <bennett at cs.niu.edu> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  1 04:45:37 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:45:37 +0200
Subject: [silk] Trolling as counter-terrorism
Message-ID: <20120801114537.GI12615@leitl.org>

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From tony.arcieri at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 14:03:55 2012
From: tony.arcieri at gmail.com (Tony Arcieri)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:03:55 -0700
Subject: [p2p-hackers] The Cryptosphere
Message-ID: <mailman.3622.1576008236.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Tony Arcieri <tony.arcieri at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm hacking on this regularly enough I'd like to officially announce it
> here:
>
> https://github.com/tarcieri/cryptosphere
>

I'm not sure if you saw, but the Cryptosphere was linked on both Hacker
News and TechCrunch:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4316632
http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/31/new-darknet-wants-to-match-up-cypherpunks-in-crypto-utopia/

Most of the discussion centered around child pornography and people being
afraid of being party to it even if they have plausible deniability.

-- 
Tony Arcieri

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From udhay at pobox.com  Wed Aug  1 04:42:13 2012
From: udhay at pobox.com (Udhay Shankar N)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:12:13 +0530
Subject: [silk] Trolling as counter-terrorism
Message-ID: <mailman.3623.1576008236.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

No comment.

Udhay

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/counterterrorism-trolls/all/

Newest U.S. Counterterrorism Strategy: Trolling

    By Spencer Ackerman
    July 18, 2012 |

In the decade since 9/11, the U.S. government has used a wide variety of
tactics against terrorists. Itbs invaded countries where they operated
(and ones where they didnbt). Itbs tried to win the backing of foreign
populations in which the terrorists hide. And itbs sent commandos and
deadly flying robots to kill them one by one.

One thing it hasnbt done, until now: troll them.

Within the State Department, a Silicon Valley veteran has quietly
launched an improbable new initiative to annoy, frustrate and humiliate
denizens of online extremist forums. Itbs so new that it hasnbt fully
taken shape: Even its architects concede it hasnbt fleshed out an actual
strategy yet, and accordingly canbt point to any results itbs yielded.
Its annual budget is a rounding error. The Pentagon will spend more in
Afghanistan in the time it takes you to finish reading this sentence.

But it also represents, in the mind of its creator, a chance to
discourage impressionable youth from becoming terrorists b all in an
idiom they firmly understand. And if it actually works, it might stand a
chance of cutting off al-Qaidabs ability to replenish its ranks at a
time when it looks to be reeling.

The program, called Viral Peace, seeks to occupy the virtual space that
extremists fill, one thread or Twitter exchange at a time. Shahed
Amanullah, a senior technology adviser to the State Department and Viral
Peacebs creator, tells Danger Room he wants to use blogic, humor,
satire, [and] religious arguments, not just to confront [extremists],
but to undermine and demoralize them.b Think of it as strategic
trolling, in pursuit of geopolitical pwnage.


Outside the first Viral Peace/Generation Change seminar in Davao City,
Philippines, April 2012. Photo: Crishyl Ann/Facebook

Al-Qaidabs influence has waxed and waned during the past decade, but its
adherents, both current and potential, have gradually drifted online.
Forums like the password-protected Shumukh site host extremist bulletin
boards, where regulars debate the finer points of jihadist theory and
boast of grandiose plans to assassinate senior U.S. officials.

The denizens of those forums might be scrubs. But the online havens are,
increasingly, the town square for extremism, especially as drones and
commandos batter the terroristsb physical sanctuaries. Al-Qaidabs Yemen
branch publishes an English-language web magazine; its Somali branch
recently joined Twitter.

The U.S. has thought of several strategies for confronting the
not-so-new wave of online extremism, from apparent DDoS attacks on
extremist websites to infiltrating them using fake jihadi personas. The
White Housebs broad counterterrorism strategy, meanwhile, all but
ignores the internet.

Amanullah has a different view. You donbt necessarily need to deface the
forums if you can troll them to the point where their most malign
influences are neutralized.

In an interview at a Washington coffee shop near his State Department
office, Amanullah explains that online extremists have ban energy,
theybve got a vitality that frankly attracts some of these at-risk
people,b Amanullah says. bIt appeals to macho, it appeals to peoplebs
rebellious nature, it appeals to people who feel downtrodden.b Creating
a comparable passion on the other side is difficult. But itbs easier if
the average online would-be jihadi has his mystique challenged through
the trial by fire that is online ridicule.

To Jarret Brachman, itbs an idea with promise. Brachman is one of the
leading researchers of online jihadism. The people who post to the
forums are bare massive narcissists [who] need constant ego boosts,b
Brachman says b and, like other online blowhards, they tend to talk
outside their areas of presumed expertise. Omar Farouk Abdulmutallab,
the would-be Christmas bomber, used to bloviate on an Islamic forum
about blove and marriageb while simultaneously complaining about his
moribund love life.

And that makes Abdulmutallabbs virtual contemporaries vulnerable to
trolling b hopefully, before they can command attract an audience. The
jihadi braggarts bkeep the momentum, the anger and the virulence going
in forums, and they have a disproportionate impact, so if you can get
rid of them, itbll pay dividends,b Brachman says.

But not every extremist forum is alike. Will McCants, a former State
Department official now at the CNA think tank and another scholar of
online jihadism, argues Amanullahbs pupils canbt focus on the hardcore
extremist forums like Shumukh. bThe admins will immediately take downb
posts that challenge the jihadi narrative, McCants tells Danger Room.
bFor something like that to work, it would have to be in more mainstream
fora where extremists are trying to recruit,b like the conservative
muslm.net, where byou can engage and the admins wouldnbt necessarily
take you offline.b

But all that is several steps ahead of Viral Peace at the moment. Viral
Peace doesnbt have a strategy yet. And to hear Amanullah and his
colleagues tell it, the State Department wonbt be the ones who come up
with one. Itbs better, they argue, to let Muslims in various foreign
countries figure out which message boards to troll and how to properly
troll them. Americans wonbt know, say, the Tagalog-language Internet
better than Filipinos; and as outsiders, they wonbt have the credibility
necessary to actually make an impact. The best the State Department can
do is train good trolls b which Amanullah began to do this spring.

That means taking a big risk. If Viral Peace works as intended, with the
trainees taking control of the program, Amanullah and the State
Department will have little control over how the program actually trolls
the terrorists. And the first wave of meetings in Muslim countries shows
how far the program has to go.

Inside a Viral Peace meeting in the Philippines, April 2012. Photo
courtesy of Humera Khan.

It makes sense that someone like Amanullah would think about pwning
terrorists. A 44-year old proud Muslim and proud California geek, he was
the editor-in-chief of the web magazine Altmuslim; started an online
restaurant-rating service called Zabihah thatbs like a Halal version of
Yelp; and launched a business service called Halalfire to drive
advertising to the Muslim consumer market. Long before he arrived at the
State Department in October 2010, he was profiled in Newsweek, which
described the bookshelves at his El Cerrito home as blined with copies
of Wired magazine and Jack Kerouac novels.b

In April, Amanullah dispatched two young associates, Humera Khan of the
U.S.-based counter-radicalization think tank Muflehun and the playwright
and essayist Wajahat Ali, to set the idea into practice. They took a
quickie tour of Muslim nations to meet young local leaders who might be
interested in confronting extremism. It was a pilot program for Viral
Peace and a related program of Amanullahbs called Generation Change. The
idea was to connect notable people b rising stars in the arts, business
and culture fields, who had an online following b with one another and
to people who focused on counterterrorism.

bYou donbt need to teach this generation how to use social media. They
know how to use Twitter. They know how to use Facebook,b says Khan, who
participated in Viral Peace in her individual capacity. bThe whole
[Viral Peace] curriculum is about learning what strategy is.b

Except that the first wave of Viral Peace didnbt yield a strategy. In
Singapore, Malaysia, the Philippines and Indonesia b Ali went to
Pakistan as well b the opening meetings brought together about 30 people
per country, selected by the State Department and Amanullahbs own social
networks, for sprawling brainstorming sessions. Some of them were just
about how Muslim communities are perceived in their own countries. And
some participants didnbt place counterterrorism at the top of their agendas.

bYes, there were issues of extremismb discussed, Khan says. bBut by and
large, the people felt that if you could deal with economics, education,
making sure the rights of the underprivileged were maintained, it would
take care of a lot of the other problems.b

That may be, but itbs also far afield from trolling the trolls.
Amanullah accepts that mission creep is a risk. But, he contends, if you
want to get the most effective people denouncing jihadis online, itbs a
risk worth accepting. And unlike the U.S. government, they stand the
better chance of getting lurkers to think of them as bactually a cool
group of people to be in,b as Amanullah puts it.

Whatbs more, Amanullah has basically no budget. Viral Peace, a global
program, has mere thousands of dollars in annual seed money so far; the
Obama administration is asking for about $85 billion for the Afghanistan
war next year. Participants are staying connected via Facebook, with
minimal U.S. government presence as a middleman; Amanullah wants to
expand to more countries soon. But itbs not clear where Viral Peace fits
in Obamabs broader counterterrorism strategy: White House officials
declined repeated requests to comment for this story. Amanullah sees it
as a supplement to existing counterterrorism efforts b not a replacement
for, say, drone strikes in Yemen b and he also concedes that his project
will take a long time before it starts to pay counterterrorism dividends.

But Amanullah doesnbt view that as an unconquerable obstacle. He thinks
of counterterrorism like a venture capitalist might.

bI come from Silicon Valley, from the start-up environment. I want to
prove you can do small, inexpensive, high-impact projects that donbt
just talk about the problem but solve the problem,b he says. bAnd solve
it the right way: not with the governmentbs heavy hand but by empowering
local people to do what they already know to do but donbt know how.b

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From edrigram at edri.org  Wed Aug  1 10:10:16 2012
From: edrigram at edri.org (EDRi-gram)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:10:16 +0300
Subject: EDRi-gram newsletter - Number 10.15, 1 August 2012
Message-ID: <mailman.3624.1576008236.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


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EDRi-gram

biweekly newsletter about digital civil rights in Europe

Number 10.15, 1 August 2012

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Contents
=======================================================================

1. A new Net Neutrality EC consultation delays possible regulations
2. Czech Republic: Data retention - almost back in business
3. Stravos Lambrinidis: EU First Special Representative for Human Rights
4. ETSI standard for lawful interception triggers privacy questions
5. Belarusian journalist detained for showing subway security flaws
6. Google still holds data unlawfully obtained by StreetView
7. France: Update on website blocking without a judicial decision
8. Reporters Sans FrontiC(res follows on the Wikileaks footsteps
9. Recommended Action
10. Recommended Reading
11. Agenda
12. About

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1. A new Net Neutrality EC consultation delays possible regulations
=======================================================================

Following BERECbs report in May 2012 on Net Neutrality, the European
Commission launched on 23 July 2012 another consultation, open by 15
October 2012, to investigate on whether ISPs are manipulating online
traffic management, thus postponing new regulatory laws on Net
Neutrality. But this consultation follows a similar one from BEREC that
ended just yesterday, 31 July 2012.

As BERECb report was revealing, 20-50% of the European ISPs use measures
to block or restrict access to web sites and/or products run by their
competitors. Although the EU communications rules say that users should
be able to choose the applications and services they want without
restrictions, the report has shown that a large number of European users
are under contracts with their ISPs that limit their access to services
such as Voip (Voice over Internet Protocol) or file-sharing sites. Other
practices such as bandwidth throttling (deliberate slowing down of the
services to certain websites) have been revealed.

Digital Agenda Commissioner Neelie Kroes stated that the consultation
would be used bto help prepare recommendations that will generate more
real choices and end the net neutrality waiting game in Europe. There
is a lack of effective consumer choice when it comes to Internet
offers," she said. Yet, although Kroes mentioned the introduction of new
EU guidelines in 2012 considering bregulatory intervention in
competitive markets as inappropriateb, the new consultation opened by
the Commission pushes back any possible decision.

La Quadrature du Net has published a non-answer to the new consultation
considering there is no time for another consultation on the subject.
bThe only way to protect a free Internet as well as freedoms and
innovation online is to clearly enact and protect Net Neutrality in EU law.b

It is already clear that European ISPs are applying restrictions to
their usersb access and that national regulators cannot investigate and
sanction.

In UK, for instance, several ISPs such as BT, BSkyB, O2 and TalkTalk
have already signed an Open Internet Code of Practice that generally
requires them to ensure that they are offering their customers "full and
open internet access". The code allows them to restrict open use of the
internet through "traffic management" of their services provided they do
not use it "in a manner that targets and degrades the content or
application(s) of specific providers" and they ensure that a best effort
Internet access is a "viable choice" to consumers even where other
"managed services" are available. They signatories must also use "clear
and transparent traffic management policies".

Yet, the code has not been signed by large ISPs such as Virgin Media,
Vodafone or T-Mobile and Orange operator Everything Everywhere who
consider the text of the code may lead to bmisinterpretation and
potential exploitation" or have reservations regarding the restrictions
on the use of the binternet accessb term.

On-line public consultation on "specific aspects of transparency, traffic 
management and switching in an Open Internet"
Deadline for reply: 15 October 2012
http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/digital-agenda/actions/oit-consultation/index_en.htm

Public consultation on 'net neutrality' to delay EU rules on ISPs
(24.07.2012)
http://euobserver.com/871/117055

Non-answer to BEREC's Consultation: We need Net Neutrality Law!
(25.07.2012)
https://www.laquadrature.net/en/non-answer-to-berecs-consultation-we-need-net-neutrality-law

Net Neutrality: Brussels opens an umpteenth public consultation (only in
French, 23.07.2012)
http://www.numerama.com/magazine/23245-neutralite-du-net-bruxelles-ouvre-une-enieme-consultation-publique.html

Ten UK ISPs commit to new 'open internet' code (25.07.2012)
http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2012/july/ten-uk-isps-commit-to-new-open-internet-code/

EDRi-gram 10.11: BERECbs findings on net neutrality (6.06.2012)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number10.11/berec-net-neutrality

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2. Czech Republic: Data retention - almost back in business
=======================================================================

Nationwide preventive monitoring of electronic communication finds its
way back into the Czech legal system. The original act was repealed in
2011 by the Constitutional Court b however, a new one is waiting only
for the President's signature. Privacy campaigners fear possible data
abuse given the insufficient regulation provided by the current Police
Act as well as monitoring of contents of Internet communications which
could potentially be made possible by the implementing decree to the new
Act.

Not only the Chamber of Deputies, but now also the Senate approved the
government draft of the amended Electronic Communication Act, as well as
amendments to several other laws reintroducing the obligation of
telephone or Internet services providers to monitor the communications
of their clients and provide them, upon request, to the police,
intelligence services or the Czech National Bank. After the previous
legal regulation was repealed by two decisions of the Constitutional
Court in March and December 2011, nationwide monitoring of citizensb
communications thus finds its way back into the Czech legal system.

The government proposal of the Act that was passed in the Senate on 18
July 2012, reacts to the Constitutional Court decision and implements
the European Directive which prescribes storing of traffic and
localization data on electronic communications.

According to EDRi-member Iuridicum Remedium (IuRe), which initiated the
March decision of the Constitutional Court and also filed its comments
during the preparation phase of the new legal regulation, the new Act is
better than the repealed regulation b however it still contains a number
of errors that will lead to unconstitutional interference with the
privacy of citizens.

The major problem, according to IuRe, is the very existence of the
obligation of operators to generally monitor the communications of all
citizens without any specific suspicion. Thus, a revision of the
European Directive which introduced this obligation, and an assessment
of its constitutionality by the European Court of Justice is seen by
Iure as the key issues in this respect.

"As for the Czech implementation of the Directive, when submitting
comments during the preparatory phase, we tried to push for maximum
limits in terms of monitoring of citizens and possible abuse of such
data," says Jan Voboril, lawyer at IuRe. "The original proposal
introduced by the Ministry of Interior in the summer of last year was
from our perspective entirely unacceptable. During the legislative
process, we have stepwise prepared comments for the Ministry
of Interior, Members of Parliament as well as Senators. We are pleased
that during subsequent discussions with representatives of the Ministry
of Interior and other key institutions, we managed to get acceptance for
stricter rules regarding the use of such data. For example, what we
consider important is the introduction of the obligation to inform the
respective persons that their data have been requested under the
Criminal Code, highlighting the subsidiarity when using such data in
criminal investigation, or the necessity of court permission when the
data is requested by intelligence services or the Czech National Bank,"
adds Voboril.

Many crucial issues still remain unresolved, which will, in IuReB4s
opinion, lead to further unconstitutional use of such data in the
future. "What we consider to be the most serious issue of the new
legislation is that it ignores the current situation where the Police
Act authorizes the police to use the data outside of criminal
proceedings. Under the current Police Act, police officers may require
data more or less without any limits, without court supervision and
without any clearly defined and controlled processes. It is striking
that although the police themselves wanted to define stricter rules for
such use of the data during the preparatory phase of the new Act, this
was refused by the Ministry of Interior. Not even Deputies or Senators
paid attention to this huge gap opening up possibilities for information
abuse by individual police officers b and this despite of repeated
warnings from our side," explains Voboril.

"We also have our concerns regarding the awaited implementing decree of
the Act, which will among other things determine which data will be
generally stored. This decree can put the new Act into entirely new
light, both in respect of the invasion into citizensB4 privacy as
well as technical and personnel details necessary - which will be
reimbursed by the state. Crucial is the particular question of whether
data on the recipientB4s side of Internet communication will be stored as
well. Such provisions would mean not only de facto monitoring of the
content of what we are surfing through on the Internet, but also a
tremendous increase in public expenditures related to such monitoring.
It is surprising that such a significant issue which can change the
entire meaning of the Act and should be provisioned for directly in the
Act, has gone entirely unnoticed by," concludes Voboril.

The Act is currently still to be signed by the President. LetB4s wait and
see whether, during his decision making, Vaclav Klaus will also think of
the fact that, apart from dozens of other persons - not excluding the
chairman of the Constitutional Court - also some people from his
immediate surrounding appeared among the victims of data abuse resulting
from the police authorization to require such data.

(Contribution by EDRi-member Iuridicum remedium - Czech Republic)

=======================================================================
3. Stravos Lambrinidis: EU First Special Representative for Human Rights
=======================================================================

On 25 July 2012, on a proposal by Catherine Ashton, EU High
Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, the Council of
the European Union appointed Mr Stravos Lambridinis, former MEP, as EU
Special Representative for Human Rights.

This appointment is the result of repeated demands from the European
Parliament and a recommendation of the Foreign Affairs Committee. On 24
May 2012, indeed, the Foreign Affairs Committee called on the Council to
appoint a EU's high-level human rights envoy with an international
reputation. The creation of the human rights envoy follows the EU's
Strategic Framework and Action Plan on Human Rights and Democracy that
was adopted on 25 June 2012.

As requested by the European Parliament, Mr. Lambridinis has a
long-standing experience in human rights and international relations. In
his earlier carrier, he was indeed nominated Chairman of the Committee
for Human Rights at the Washington D.C.'s bar association. He also
worked at the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs and became the
Ambassador at Large of the Hellenic Republic. He was elected Member of
the European Parliament in 2006, where he was Vice-Chairman of the Civil
Liberties Committee. In 2009, he was elected Vice-President of the
European Parliament. He served as Minister of Foreign Affairs for Greece
from June to November 2011.

The task of the EU Special Representative for Human Rights is to ensure
the promotion of EU human rights policy worldwide. The mandate will be
broad and flexible in order to give Mr Lambridinis the ability to adapt
to different situations. He will work closely with the European External
Action Service. He will in particular represent the EU at the
international level, be responsible for the interactions with the UN and
chair human rights dialogues with third countries. Mr Lambridinis'
initial mandate will run until 30 June 2014. The goal is to enhance the
effectiveness and consistency of EU policy.

The news was broadly appreciated by the MEPs, and bwarmlyb welcomed by
the President of the European Parliament Martin Schulz (Germany, S&D),
and by the chairwoman of the EP human rights subcommittee Barbara
Lochbihler (Germany, Groups of the Greens).

This appointment shows the willingness of the European Union to make
human rights one of its strategic priorities and to give the EU a united
voice on human rights issues. Mr Lambridinis said that he would bensure
the Human Rights gets integrated into all EU external policyb.

Stavros Lambrinidis appointed first EU Special Representative for Human
Rights (25.07.2012)
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/EN/foraff/132029.pdf

Stavros Lambrinidis appointed EU Special Representative for Human Rights
(26.07.2012)
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/the-president/en/press/press_release_speeches/press_release/2012/2012-july/press_release-2012-july-13.html

MEPs congratulate new EU human rights envoy, Stavros Lambrinidis
(25.07.2012)
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+IM-PRESS+20120724IPR49266+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN

EC press briefing (25.07.2012)
http://ec.europa.eu/avservices/audio/audioDetails.cfm?ref=87254&sitelang=fr

(Contribution by Marie Humeau - EDRi)

=======================================================================
4. ETSI standard for lawful interception triggers privacy questions
=======================================================================

The draft UK Communication Bill raises new privacy concerns after it
has been revealed that the UK has also been driving the development of
a European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) standard
framework that allows interception of the content of communication as
well. The Bill will allow the government to compel service companies
like Google and Facebook to provide information to the police and
intelligence services, while the framework sets out the technical
standards for this.

The draft Communication Bill is supposed to deal only with traffic data,
according with the Government position: bThe changes we are making only
relate to the who, where and when of communications data. The
interception of the content of any communications is a completely
separate matter and continues to be strictly controlled by the
Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, requiring a warrant signed by
the secretary of state" said a Home Office spokesman.

But an April 2012 draft report from ETSI on Lawful Interception (LI)
and Cloud/Virtual Services explains that an electronic communication
provider that offers cloud services must maintain its  obligation to
LI. This means that "the cloud service provider must implement a Cloud
Lawful Interception Function (CLIF). This can be by way of Applications
Programming Interface (API) or more likely ensuring presentation of
information in a format recognisable to interception mechanisms."

The Guardian explains it as being measures to monitor "nomadic access",
which means surveillance of an individual whether they go online from
their home computer, mobile or an Internet cafC).

"They are saying this is only about communications data, but in fact it
is not. If you build the infrastructure that ETSI have agreed, it can be
used for interception. The documents show that there is a clear and
continuing intention to use it for interceptionb, explains Prof. Ross
Anderson, from the  University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory,

"We're seeing moves at an international level to make it easier for the
content of communications to be intercepted. For Home Office officials
behind the communications data bill, spying on who we are emailing or
Skyping is not their final objective. Officials from Britain are working
internationally to force service providers to ensure that their systems
are easy to tap into," concluded Nick Pickles, from Big Brother Watch.

Security services to get more access to monitor emails and social media
(28.07.2012)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jul/28/isecurity-services-emails-social-media

Draft ETSI DTR 101 567 V0.0.5 (2012-04) - Lawful Interception (LI);
Cloud/Virtual Services (CLI)
http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_sa/WG3_Security/TSGS3_LI/2012_45_Bratislava/SA3LI12_044.doc

EDRi-gram 10.10: Concerns over the proposed Communication Bill in UK  
(23.05.2012)
http://edri.org/edrigram/number10.10/draft-communications-bill-uk

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5. Belarusian journalist detained for showing subway security flaws
=======================================================================

Several Belarusian journalists have been lately arrested for having
shown flows in the security system of Belarus. The latest arrest, on 25
July 2012, was that of Vital Ruhayn on charges of hooliganism and
obscene language in public. In fact, he became infamous for publishing a
video online showing a lack of security on the Minsk subway although it
was the target of a deadly bombing in April 2011.

The video was clearly showing the journalist carrying a large bag into
the Minsk metro and following the same route as the 2011 bomber - the
police did not react in any way. Although the court released Ruhayn, he
is still under prosecution and the hearing was only postponed for five
days in order to allow the police to correct the inconsistencies in
their testimonies and written reports.

bVital Ruhaynbs arrest is indicative of the regimebs sensitivities about
matters related b closely or otherwise b to the Minsk bombing and
national security. A journalist should not be arrested for highlighting
police violations of security regulations. We call for the withdrawal of
the trumped-up charges brought against him,b was the reaction of
Reporters Without Borders.

Also, in June, ERB reporter Pavel Svyardlow was arrested on similar
obscene language charges, and was given a 15-day jail sentence
and on 13 July journalist Anton Surapin was arrested for having posting
on the Internet photos of the action of a Swedish advertising agency of
4 July - the agency people flew a light aircraft into the Belarusian
airspace dropping hundreds of teddy-bears with messages supporting free
speech in Belarus. Surapin is still held by the Committee for State
Security on the charge of helping foreigners to cross the border
illegally and is facing a three to seven years prison sentence.

Journalist facing jail sentence for exposing Minsk metro security flaws
(27.07.2012)
http://en.rsf.org/belarus-journalist-facing-jail-sentence-28-07-2012,43120.html

Ruhain's case to be revised due to witnesses' confusion (26.07.2012)
http://euroradio.fm/en/report/ruhains-case-be-revised-due-witnesses-confusion-113719

Euroradio journalist Vital Ruhain is released (26.07.2012)
http://euroradio.fm/en/report/euroradio-journalist-vital-ruhain-spend-night-akrestsina-updated-113644

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6. Google still holds data unlawfully obtained by StreetView
=======================================================================

Google admitted, in a letter addressed on 27 July 2012 to UK Information
Commissioner's Office (ICO) as well as to the Irish Data Protection
Commission office that it had not yet deleted all the data unlawfully
obtained in UK by its Street View cars.

After the discovery in May 2010 that Google had scanned, by means of its
Street View cars, the airwaves to identify and map WiFi thus
unlawfully obtaining private data, the company was instructed to delete
all data thus gathered. According to the present Googlebs letter, a
bsmall portionb of the respective data is still in the companybs
possession. Google also asked in its letter for instruction on how to
proceed in deleting the rest of the data.

"In recent months, Google has been reviewing its handling of Street View
disks and undertaking a comprehensive manual review of our Street View
disk inventory. That review involves the physical inspection and
re-scanning of thousands of disks. In conducting that review, we have
determined that we continue to have payload data from the UK and other
countries. We are in the process of notifying the relevant authorities
in those countries," said Google's privacy counsel Peter Fleischer.

ICO answered the letter on 28 July saying Google should promptly supply
the remaining data to the ICO which would "examine the contents" warning
at the same time the company that it might be in breach of the terms
previously agreed following the investigation into the issue in 2010.
Billy Hawkes, the Irish Data Protection Commissioner, said Google was
supposed to have deleted all the data and considered the situation
"clearly unacceptable".

ICO stated that it would coordinate its further actions in the matter
with other data protection authorities through the Article 29 Working
Party and the GPEN network.

Google admits not all unlawfully-collected Street View data has been
deleted (27.07.2012)
http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2012/july/google-admits-not-all-unlawfully-collected-street-view-data-has-been-deleted/

Google warned on data deletion delay (28.07.2012)
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/google-warned-on-data-deletion-delay-3182216.html

EDRi-gram 10.12: Googlebs Street View privacy breach again in the public  
eye (20.06.2012)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number10.12/google-steet-view-identification-again

=======================================================================
7. France: Update on website blocking without a judicial decision
=======================================================================

Fleur Pellerin, the French State Secretary for Digital Economy announced
on 24 July 2012 the intention of the French Government to give up the
Decree on the application of a very controversial Article of LOPPSI 2
law which allowed online filtering of websites with child pornographic
content without a court decision.

Article 4 was stipulating that when bthe necessities of the fight
against broadcasting of images representing minors as per article 227-23
of the Criminal Code justify it, the administrative authority notifies
(the ISPs) the electronic addresses of public electronic online
communication services which contravene the provisions of this article
that these must block or delay access to them.b

One of the main concerns regarding this article is that the blocking
could be done without the intervention of a court order.

The draft decree for the entering into force of Article 4 from LOPPSI 2
(6 months after its publication) was to be published on 15 March 2012,
after a consultation with CNN (Conseil National Numerique b National
Digital Council) which never happened.

However, the text of article 4 is still in the text of the law, so in
order to solve the problem, it is necessary to change the law itself.

Loppsi: the decree on site blocking without judge is abandoned (only in
French, 25.07.2012)
http://www.numerama.com/magazine/23260-loppsi-le-decret-sur-le-blocage-des-sites-sans-juge-est-abandonne.html

Loppsi: the government abandons blocking without judge (only in
French, 25.07.2012)
http://www.pcinpact.com/news/72658-loppsi-gouvernement-abandonne-blocage-sites-sans-juge.htm

EDRi-gram 9.4: France: Loppsi 2 adopted - Internet filtering without court
order (23.02.2011)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number9.4/web-blocking-adopted-france-loppsi-2

=======================================================================
8. Reporters Sans FrontiC(res follows on the Wikileaks footsteps
=======================================================================

Reporters Sans FrontiC(res (RSF) is looking to take the Wikileaks path
and will start accepting the publication of censured documents in
October 2012 on a new dedicated platform.

Called bWe Fight Censorshipb, the RSF platform will distribute censored
documents received from journalists, bloggers or political dissidents in
order to offer a bdigital shelterb for those who, by revealing such
documents, might be persecuted, condemned, imprisoned or even
assassinated.

bThanks to a digital ultra-secured safe, the Internet
users will be able to provide the organisation, anonymously, with
documents affected by censorship or interdicted for publicationb stated
RSF who also added that the documents will not be published as such but
put into context and the contents included will be verified to ensure
the accuracy and correctness of the shared information.

RSF already organised in 2010 an banti-censure shelterb space for the
protection of political dissidents, journalists and bloggers threatened
by authorities, which allows them to surf and communicate rather safely
by using various ciphering and anonymization tools.

On 21 July 2012, the association organised a hackathon in order to test
the reliability of the platform and the security of the document
transmission system.

RSF wants to fight censorship by publishing banned documents (only in
French, 25.07.2012)
http://www.numerama.com/magazine/23261-rsf-veut-combattre-la-censure-en-publiant-des-documents-interdits.html

We fight censorship
http://wefightcensorship.org/en.html

Hackathon "We fight censorship" on 21 July (20.07.2012)
http://fr.rsf.org/france-hackathon-we-fight-censorship-05-07-2012,42964.html

=======================================================================
9. Recommended Action
=======================================================================

Call for Papers for a special edition of IEEE Internet Computing on
Internet Censorship and Control. The editors are looking for short (up
to 5,000 words) articles on the technical, social, and political
mechanisms and impacts of Internet censorship and control.They are
soliciting both technical and social science articles, and especially
encourage those that combine the two.
Deadline for a brief description of the article: 15 August 2012
http://www.computer.org/portal/web/computingnow/iccfp3

Commission consults on a future EU Network and Information Security
legislative initiative (27.07.2012)
Deadline: 15 October 2012
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/12/818&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

=======================================================================
10. Recommended Reading
=======================================================================

Online traceability: Who did that? (27.07.2012)
http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2012/07/27/online-traceability/
http://www.consumerfocus.org.uk/files/2012/07/Online-traceability-Who-did-that-original.pdf

Big data at your service
http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/dae/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=8337

Linked Open Government Data
http://www.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/doi/10.1109/MIS.2012.56

European Telco Proposal to ITU: A Threat to the Open Web? (27.07.2012)
http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/2012/07/27/european-telco-proposal-to-itu-a-threat-to-the-open-web/

=======================================================================
11. Agenda
=======================================================================

25-26 August 2012, Bonn, Germany
Free and Open Source software conference (FrOSCon)
http://www.froscon.de/en/program/call-for-papers/

6-7 September 2012, Cluj-Napoca, Romania
CONSENT policy conference:
Perceptions, Privacy and Permissions: the role of consent in on-line
services
http://conference.ubbcluj.ro/consent/

8-9 September 2012, Vienna, Austria
Daten, Netz & Politik 2012
https://dnp12.unwatched.org/

12-14 September 2012, Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium
Building Institutions for Sustainable Scientific, Cultural and Genetic
Resources Commons.
http://biogov.uclouvain.be/iasc/index.php

14-17 September 2012, Brussels, Belgium
Freedom not Fear 2012
http://www.freedomnotfear.org/
http://www.freedom-not-fear.eu

7-10 October 2012, Amsterdam, Netherlands
2012 Amsterdam Privacy Conference
http://www.apc2012.org/

25-28 October 2012, Barcelona, Spain
Free Culture Forum 2012
http://fcforum.net/

6-9 November 2012, Baku, Azerbaijan
Seventh Annual IGF Meeting: "Internet Governance for Sustainable Human,
Economic and Social Development"
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/

9-11 November 2012, Fulda, Germany
Digitalisierte Gesellschaft - Wege und Irrwege
FIfF Annual Conference in cooperation with Fuldaer Informatik Kollquium
http://www.fiff.de/2012

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Drones: From War Weapon To Homemade Toy

by Larry Abramson

Morning Edition

 
A homemade drone over Cesar Chavez Park in Berkeley, Calif. Hobbyists and
commercial manufacturers are anticipating new rules governing their domestic
use.

Enlarge Larry Abramson/NPR

A homemade drone over Cesar Chavez Park in Berkeley, Calif. Hobbyists and
commercial manufacturers are anticipating new rules governing their domestic
use.

August 2, 2012

Drones transformed the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan. But their use has
been extremely limited in U.S. skies. The Federal Aviation Administration
essentially bans the commercial use of drones, and government use is still
highly restricted.

But that's changing.

For a long time, drones, which are formally known as unmanned aerial
vehicles, or UAVs, were exotic, expensive and out of reach for all but
military users. Today, however, a clever hobbyist can have his own eye in the
sky.

That's the case for Andreas Oesterer and Mark Harrison. On a recent weekend,
the two hobbyists are flying their collection of hi-tech toys over Cesar
Chavez Park in Berkeley, Calif.

With a little push, a homemade UAV takes off into the sky. The fixed-wing
plane they've launched is definitely unarmed. In fact, it looks like a simple
remote-control plane you might find at RadioShack.

Hi-tech hobbyists Andreas Oesterer and Mark Harrison line up their homemade
drones in Berkeley, Calif.

Enlarge Larry Abramson/NPR

Hi-tech hobbyists Andreas Oesterer and Mark Harrison line up their homemade
drones in Berkeley, Calif.

But as Oesterer flies his plane around the park, it becomes obvious how much
power is available for a couple thousand dollars.

Using a control box, he puts the plane on autopilot, and it begins to follow
a lazy, predetermined path around the park. It's smart enough to stay
airborne on its own, and it's outfitted with a camera that provides a wide
view of this bayside park.

Oesterer then dons homemade video goggles. In order to block out glare from
the sun, he's wrapped some gray foam around them, so he looks like some sort
of welder from the future.

Instantly, it's as if he's in the pilot's seat, 100 or so feet up in the air,
looking down on us. As the small plane passes above, Oesterer can see the
tops of our heads through the goggles.

Manned And Unmanned Vehicles Converging

Hobbyists like Oesterer are excited about the technology, as are the big
companies that have been working on it for years. John Langford, chief
executive of Aurora Flight Sciences, which makes components for military
UAVs, has been designing drones for scientists for decades.

"I think the distinction between a manned and an unmanned airplane is
arbitrary and vanishing, honestly," Langford says.

But right now, the FAA treats manned and unmanned vehicles completely
differently. If you want to fly a manned plane, you just have to file a
flight plan. For unmanned vehicles, you have to get special authorization
from the FAA, and commercial use is still not allowed.

But new legislation says the FAA must reduce that divide over the next few
years. Langford says these vehicles will soon be part of our lives.

"The civilian market will emerge," he says. "It will happen."

A Tool For Police

But why are drones needed at home in the U.S.? For years, scientists have
found them useful b for doing air sampling, for example. But now, police
departments in big cities like Miami to not-so-big places like Mesa County,
in rural western Colorado see these vehicles as the next cool tool, from
Deputy Amanda Hill of the Mesa County Sheriff's Office in western Colorado
prepares to use a Draganflyer X6 drone equipped with a video camera to help
search for a suspect in a knife attack in this undated photo.  Enlarge Mesa
County Sheriff's Dept./AP

Deputy Amanda Hill of the Mesa County Sheriff's Office in western Colorado
prepares to use a Draganflyer X6 drone equipped with a video camera to help
search for a suspect in a knife attack in this undated photo.

Ben Miller has an unusual job title in Mesa, which includes the city of Grand
Junction: He's the "unmanned aircraft program officer" for the Mesa County
Sheriff's Office.

The agency has two small camera-equipped drones. They came in handy recently
for a fairly basic function: gathering evidence after extensive vandalism at
a public school.

"We went out and were able to fly over the damaged area, and took a series of
still images," Miller says. The pictures have been useful in prosecuting the
crime.

Search-and-rescue teams also see great potential in drones. Miller says one
of his department's drones recently helped wayward hikers. They were lost,
but it wasn't a life-or-death situation.

"We probably wouldn't have been able to justify the expenses to put in manned
aviation [such as a helicopter]," Miller says. "But now that we're flying for
$25 an hour, it's kind of a no-brainer for us."

A Threat To Privacy?

But for others, the specter of unmanned aerial systems patrolling the
homeland has sparked a call to arms.

Conservative pundit Charles Krauthammer recently called for a ban on drones
in the U.S. Speaking on Fox News, Krauthammer said, "And I would predict b
I'm not encouraging, but I'm predicting b the first guy who uses a Second
Amendment weapon to bring a drone down that's been hovering over his house is
going to be a folk hero in this country."

The suggestion that drones need to be shot down alarmed the UAV industry.
Drone enthusiast Andreas Oesterer wears homemade video goggles, wrapped in
gray foam to block out the glare of the sun, as he flies a drone over Cesar
Chavez Park.  Enlarge Larry Abramson/NPR

Drone enthusiast Andreas Oesterer wears homemade video goggles, wrapped in
gray foam to block out the glare of the sun, as he flies a drone over Cesar
Chavez Park.

After years of selling its wares to the military, these companies are
desperately trying to depict the next generation of domestic drones as
friendly, more like "Robby the Robot" than HAL, the computer antagonist of
Arthur C. Clarke's Space Odyssey novels and the films based on them.

But you can't blame people for getting the wrong idea if online ads pitching
drones to law enforcement are anything to go by.

One comes from Aerovironment, a California-based company preparing to sell
smaller drones to police. In the video, cops pull the small unmanned plane
out of their cruiser's trunk, quickly assemble it and use it to monitor the
movements of an armed suspect.

While a driving guitar serves as soundtrack, the police use the UAV's camera
to see that the bad guy is setting up an ambush. Thanks to aerial
surveillance, the cops outmaneuver the villain, cuff him and take him away.

While police are eager to keep an eye on criminals, civil liberties groups
warn that these devices are tailor-made to spy on ordinary citizens.

Jennifer Lynch with the Electronic Frontier Foundation says many police
departments plan to use drones to photograph public gatherings, just as they
do with helicopters.

"With the advent of facial recognition and the ability to store images for a
long period of time, it becomes really worrisome when you have a drone
hovering over that sort of situation," she says. "And it's not clear what
sort of legal restrictions would prevent that activity."

Lynch and others say that now is the time to pass legislation to limit drone
use by police, before it becomes commonplace.

But fans of unmanned aviation caution that more restrictions could stifle
innovation. Right now, there are thousands of small companies in this field.
And hobbyists like Harrison in California, whose day job is at Pixar, see the
drone era as the next frontier, as a marketplace that could power the next
economic boom.

"I personally think that it's going to be a lot like the PC industry in the
1970s," he predicts. "There were just dozens or hundreds of little itty-bitty
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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Aug  3 01:24:32 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 10:24:32 +0200
Subject: Bitcoin + Open Transactions + Web Of Trust 
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/xk7dx/opentransactions_new_gui_mockups/c5n3uzj?context=1

[b]hugolp 7 points 17 hours ago

You might want to remind the people around here what Open Transaction is and how does it combine with Bitcoin.

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[b]anykind 13 points 16 hours ago

I finally understood Open Transactions thanks to this post at Bitcointalk from da2ce7:

    Bitcoin + Open Transactions + Web Of Trust are the building blocks for a complete replacement of the traditional finance industry. They each solve a different problem.

    Bitcoin: Provides: Low-Trust transfer of Value between two parties. Needs: Way to transfer ownership of real-life goods and service contracts. (Open Transactions) Needs: Trust network so people can have more confidence that they are dealing with somebody whom is trusted and respected. (Web-Of-Trust)

    Open Transactions: Provides: Tools to transfer the ownership of anything that can be described in a contract. Needs: Low-Trust transfer of value, without the risk of counter-party. (Bitcoin) Needs: Trust Network, so the contracts can have some breputationb backing them. Web-Of-Trust

    Web-Of-Trust: Provides: Reputation system so there is consequences if somebody scams (nobody will trade with them), and good reputations have value. Needs: Low-Trust transfer of value, so parties with no reputation can build a good reputation: (Bitcoin) Needs: Formal way to describe contracts, that can describe the transfer of ownership in a un-deniable way: (Open Transactions)

    Each technology provides a solution to a different problemb& When working together, they provide the basis for a very secure, strong, and comprehensive financial system.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47501.msg831406#msg831406




From owen at delong.com  Fri Aug  3 13:01:35 2012
From: owen at delong.com (Owen DeLong)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:01:35 -0700
Subject: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
Message-ID: <mailman.3625.1576008236.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:31 , William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Seth Mattinen <sethm at rollernet.us> wrote:
>> On 8/3/12 8:56 AM, William Herrin wrote:
>>> It
>>> seems the telcos and cable companies don't consider the commodity
>>> Internet part of their equipment to be something which needs
>>> electricity during an extended grid outage. Cox. Verizon. I'm looking
>>> at you.
>> 
>> Most don't, and for the price being paid on commodity connections I feel
>> indifferent about it.
> 
> Back in the day they kept my land line phone on during extended power
> outages. And that was when they had to power the phone. Now all they
> have to do is power the equipment on their end of the line. My phone's
> out because hey, voip. My Sprint cell phone's out because the fools
> can't power their towers. It's 105 degrees out and I'm screwed if
> someone has a heat stroke because we can't even call 911.
> 
48vDC battery to power your phone up to 3 ringer equivalences was a pretty
light load overall, compared to PON aggregators for all those neighborhoods.
Further, as noted above the PON equipment is much more widely distributed
than powering your phone. Powering your phone was straight DC down the
same copper wire as your service. Powering the PON aggregators, well,
unless you've got some magic new technology for powering them via fiber
is a bit more involved and quite a bit more amperage per conductor than
POTS.

> 
>> The central plant days are mostly gone; there's
>> fiber huts everywhere and not enough trucks/manpower (in my area a
>> lineman sits in his truck and reads a book while tethered to the power
>> kiosk) to run them all if the outage is too widespread for too long.
> 
> They put a quarter million dollars into the fiber hut. They can't put
> a $500 gasoline generator in a warehouse 50 miles away and go pick it
> up when there's an extended outage?

That's a lot of generators and a lot of people to go pull them out and make
sure they don't walk off during said extended outage.

> I'll give Verizon a little credit. They restored service after about
> 12 hours of outage. Cox didn't restore service until 12 hours *after*
> my power came back on.
> 

Seems pretty reasonable to me given the scale of the outage.

> Could be worse. I could have Pepco instead of Dominion. But it could
> be better. And 20 years ago the reliability was.

20 years ago you didn't have a megabit to your home let alone many
megabits. 20 years ago, POTS was much simpler than the converged
networks we have today. There is something to be said for the simplicity
of POTS.

If you're that concerned about calling 911 for a heat stroke, why don't
you maintain a POTS line?

Owen


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From mikeperry at torproject.org  Fri Aug  3 20:08:57 2012
From: mikeperry at torproject.org (Mike Perry)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:08:57 -0700
Subject: [liberationtech] The Tor Project has funding for a Firefox developer
Message-ID: <mailman.3626.1576008236.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

The Tor Project is looking for a Firefox developer as a contractor
position likely starting in October and going through Q1 2013, with the
possibility of later in 2013 and beyond. There may also be a possibility
for part-time work prior to October. This would be a telecommuting
position, with collaboration happening primarily over IRC and email.

The purpose of our browser is to build a private-by-design reference
implementation of "Do Not Track", but through the alteration of
browser behavior and without the need for regulation or begging:
https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser/design/#privacy
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/improving-private-browsing-modes-do-not-track-vs-real-privacy-design

Your job would be to work on that Firefox-based browser as a developer.
This includes triaging, diagnosing, and fixing bugs; looking for and
resolving web privacy issues; responding on short notice to security
issues; and working collaboratively with coworkers and volunteers on
implementing new features and web behavior changes. You'd also be
reviewing other people's code, designs, and academic research papers,
and looking for ways to improve upon them.

For information on how to apply and what to send in with your
application, please see the job posting:
https://www.torproject.org/about/jobs-browserhacker.html.en



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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Aug  3 13:57:50 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:57:50 +0200
Subject: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
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From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Aug  4 02:53:05 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:53:05 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] The Tor Project has funding for a Firefox 
  developer
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From lists at infosecurity.ch  Sat Aug  4 03:01:39 2012
From: lists at infosecurity.ch (Fabio Pietrosanti (naif))
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:01:39 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor on Raspberry Pi
Message-ID: <mailman.3627.1576008236.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On 7/21/12 3:00 PM, Dave Page wrote:
> This seemed like a pretty obvious application of RaspPi to me, so I'm 
> wondering whether anybody else is working on it. It's not a million miles away 
> from the Torouter project, but it's also quite close to a custom distro of 
> Raspian with certain packages preinstalled and configured out of the box.

Now that Rasberry Pi support Android, it maybe easily possible to use
Guardian Project's ORBot to implement it, by creating a custom Android
Image:

http://androidpi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Pi_Wiki

It would be really cool also to see in future a CryptoCat Server or
GlobaLeaks server running on Android over a Rasberry Pi| :-)

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From moritz at torservers.net  Sat Aug  4 03:04:56 2012
From: moritz at torservers.net (Moritz Bartl)
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:04:56 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor on Raspberry Pi
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On 04.08.2012 12:01, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote:
> It would be really cool also to see in future a CryptoCat Server or
> GlobaLeaks server running on Android over a Rasberry Pi| :-)

My vision are secure "dedicated shells" on epoxified Pis :-)

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Aug  4 03:48:44 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:48:44 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor on Raspberry Pi
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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:48:57 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor on Raspberry Pi
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From moxie at thoughtcrime.org  Sat Aug  4 12:58:51 2012
From: moxie at thoughtcrime.org (Moxie Marlinspike)
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:58:51 -0700
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
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I've noticed that this discussion has a tendency to be framed in terms
of the crypto primitives.  The core problems, as I see them, are
actually somewhat unrelated to whether it's possible to efficiently
perform cryptographic operations in JavaScript or not.  In my reading,
this blog post seems to imply that the recent decisions CryptoCat has
made are a result of that question, but my understanding is that they're
actually fairly unrelated.

A W3C standardized Crypto API, or a browser extension that acts as a
generic crypto provider, are a little too myopic to fully address the
fundamental question of the interaction between dynamically loaded JS
and the user's interface to their browser.  The problem isn't so much
whether JS can perform a cryptographic operation, but whether the user
knows that it is, to what extent, to whom, and what *else* the JS is doing.

The questions that CryptoCat has brought up for me are:

1) How does one create a webapp that provides client-based cryptography,
without the security of that app simply being reduced to the security of
SSL?  If every time I initiate a chat session, it's a JS app that I'm
loading over SSL, any attacker who could intercept that SSL connection
(a lot of people today) would be able to intercept the contents of that
chat session simply by modifying the JS in transit (so that it sends the
attacker a copy of the plaintext, etc).  Doesn't matter whether the
crypto primitives are good are not.

2) How does one create a webapp that provides client-based cryptography,
without the security of that app simply being reduced to the security of
server-based cryptography?  If every time I go to encrypt something
client-side, I have to ask the server for the JS to perform that
encryption, it's reducible to trusting the server with my plaintext.
The server could choose, at any time, to hand me JS that appears to be
performing encrypted operations, but is also transmitting a copy of the
plaintext as well.  Again, this doesn't depend on the existence of solid
crypto primitives.

3) Is there any value at all to "warnings" that are placed on tools for
providing secure communication or privacy, and is there something we can
do better or instead?  These types of warnings are beginning to suffer
from a "certificate warning" effect.  Users are so accustomed to seeing
them that they ignore them.  Even Tor, which has been around for years,
and is widely recommended for use in a number of dangerous situations,
still comes with a warning about its beta nature.  In some sense, it's
possible that a "warning" is now almost an incentive for someone to use
that tool in a hostile context: people who are serious about security
put warnings on their tools, while charlatans wouldn't be so inclined.

4) How do we experiment with security/privacy solutions?  If we don't
have all the answers, but want to attempt to start a discussion or an
effort in a specific direction, what do we do?  If we do it in public,
chance are that people might actually start using our solution (perhaps
proportionate to the number of warnings we include!), or reporters might
start writing articles with shamefully ridiculous headlines about it.

- moxie

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On 08/04/2012 12:06 PM, Uncle Zzzen wrote:
> https://crypto.cat will soon stop being a web-based service, and will
> only exist as a browser extension.
> The question is, what should future web-app developers do if they need
> crypto? Rewrite all crypto primitives from scratch [and hope there's
> enough interest in reviewing the code], then let users install yet
> another extension?
> 
> I believe there's a better solution. I've posted something about it. I
> hope some of you would  find it interesting.
> http://thedod.noblogs.org/post/2012/08/04/what-ive-learned-from-cryptocat/
> 
> Cheers,
> The Dod
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Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 16:56:56 +0200
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From schoen at eff.org  Sat Aug  4 19:17:58 2012
From: schoen at eff.org (Seth David Schoen)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:17:58 -0700
Subject: [liberationtech] Revised Liberationtech Mailing List Guidelines
Message-ID: <mailman.3630.1576008236.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Greg Norcie writes:

> This is a good logic, but there is still a problem even if Google scans
> uploads.
> 
> Both state and nonstate actors often use zero day vulnerabilities. Since
> a zero day has never been seen before, there is no signature for it in
> any virus database.

This is totally true in general, and of course these zero days have been
used in real attacks, and of course Google can't necessarily recognize
zero-day vulnerabilities.

In the particular case of text documents shared through Google Docs -- as
opposed to Word files hosted for download with some sort of file sharing
site! -- I think malware is a comparatively minor risk.  The reason is that
when you upload a document to Google Docs, Google imports the content of
the document into Google's own internal format.  When you then download a
document from Google Docs, Google is generating _a new document from
scratch_ with the same text and formatting content as the original, but
the result is not the same file that was originally uploaded.

If someone mails you an attachment, or hosts a document file of their own
creation on a web site, your word processor could be compromised if there
are software vulnerabilities that the document exploits, like a buffer
overflow.  And this is also true of, say, a PDF document that you're going
to open in a PDF reader; we know that there have been exploits used in the
wild against PDF readers.

By contrast, if you were to import some Microsoft Word file into Google
Docs and then export the resulting Google Docs document in Microsoft Word
format, what you'd get back would _not_ be the original file or any
modified form of the original file.  Instead, you would get a completely
new Microsoft Word file, generated from scratch by Google, with essentially
the same textual content as the original.  (And if you were to export the
Google Docs document as a PDF, what you'd get would be a PDF that Google
generated from scratch.)

Since these documents are being generated by Google in this way, using
its own internally-developed software, Google will presumably create safe
and valid documents for its users, not ones that contain exploits and
malware.



We might still worry that someone could _upload_ a malicious document to
Google in order to attack Google's import process (and perhaps attack the
Google Docs servers in various ways, whether to disable other security
features or access private information), but I presume Google's security
folks have been very cautious about this aspect and Google Docs import
is probably much less vulnerable to malware and exploits than the file
import features in popular desktop word processors like Microsoft Word,
OpenOffice, and LibreOffice.  (Also, attackers can study the binary code
of Microsoft Word -- as well as Microsoft's security patches to it! --
or the source code of OpenOffice and LibreOffice -- as well as their
developers' security patches to them! -- in order to try to find specific
vulnerabilities.  It's harder for attackers to speculate usefully about
what vulnerabilities may exist in Google Docs import functionality because
the attackers probably don't have access to any of the Google Docs code,
whether source or binary.  So even if there are exploitable vulnerabilities
in the way Google Docs parses documents, it will be much harder for
attackers to find and exploit them than it would be for published desktop
software.)

(How do I square this with my observation that "Google can't necessarily
recognize vulnerabilities"?  I think the main point is that the zero-day
vulnerabilities we're likely to encounter are vulnerabilities in
desktop software.  Google may not be able to detect these, but it may not
be vulnerable to them either!  And with cautious programming, it can also
default to rejecting files that are suspicious in some general ways, even
if it doesn't know exactly what's bad about them.  For instance, Andreas
Bogk gave a talk last year at the CCC Camp about a PDF security scanner
he's been developing which is able to reject several kinds of invalid PDFs
automatically.  Some of those invalid PDFs may be innocent and not contain
any malware or exploits, but Google could still use a scanner like this to
reject them and refuse to import them out of an abundance of caution.)

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Aug  4 12:55:07 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:55:07 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <20120804195507.GS12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Aug  4 13:09:33 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:09:33 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <20120804200932.GU12615@leitl.org>

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From mfidelman at meetinghouse.net  Sat Aug  4 21:24:13 2012
From: mfidelman at meetinghouse.net (Miles Fidelman)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 00:24:13 -0400
Subject: [Freedombox-discuss] Who's interested in project management &
	collaboration tools? And...
Message-ID: <mailman.3631.1576008236.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Jay Sulzberger wrote:
>
>>>
>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1947703258/smart-notebooks-keeping-on-the-same-page-across-th
>>>
>>>
>
> Perhaps just limited encrypted Usenet?

Funny you should mention that.  NNTP is, to my mind, the world's greatest 
messaging protocol.  Back in the day, Netscape built a "collaboration 
server" that added access controls and some management functions to an NNTP 
server - it was an incredibly powerful tool.

In some sense, the model sitting in the back of my mind, is:
- NNTP (with encryption and crypto-based access controls)
- easier management of (private) group creation
- messages containing HTML & JavaScript that can do some embedded  
threading (think about sending a Wiki page, the initial page shows up as a 
news message, edits are automatically applied rather than showing up as 
separate messages)

>
> Also perhaps:
>
 
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joeyh/git-annex-assistant-like-dropbox-but-with-your-own 
> 
>
> with a daemon that labels files, presents histories, and such like.
>
>
Yes... saw that a while back - does look really interesting.

Miles






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From unclezzzen at gmail.com  Sat Aug  4 12:06:39 2012
From: unclezzzen at gmail.com (Uncle Zzzen)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:06:39 +0700
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <mailman.3632.1576008236.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

https://crypto.cat will soon stop being a web-based service, and will
only exist as a browser extension.
The question is, what should future web-app developers do if they need
crypto? Rewrite all crypto primitives from scratch [and hope there's
enough interest in reviewing the code], then let users install yet
another extension?

I believe there's a better solution. I've posted something about it. I
hope some of you would  find it interesting.
http://thedod.noblogs.org/post/2012/08/04/what-ive-learned-from-cryptocat/

Cheers,
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From jya at pipeline.com  Sun Aug  5 04:15:58 2012
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 07:15:58 -0400
Subject: [liberationtech] Revised Liberationtech Mailing List  
  Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <20120805103211.GD12615@leitl.org>
References: <20120805103211.GD12615@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <E1SxyoW-0004Eh-00@pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

Informative post by Seth.

But why would Google Docs be any more trustworthy than
Google search and other freebies by the Gorgon? With the
admitted cooperation of Google with authorities by law
and by commercial opportunity?

Same dubity applies to cloud servers whose biggest most
lucrative customers are governments and those most
eager to gain government favor.

The seemingly endless pursuit of the holy grail of online
security, yet remain within government protection, is daunting
if Sisyphean: the Soviet-style collectivization of hiding, exposing
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It was for a brief period security-wise to reject any major
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certainty those will be compromised by commercial
interest and state protection. Now the bigger the better,
the more venal the more desirable.

Never mind the obvious trickle down from accumulated
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fit ambition, personal debt, family obligations, withering
of courage, no apologies for changing camps offered.




From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Aug  5 02:21:58 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:21:58 +0200
Subject: [Freedombox-discuss] Who's interested in project management
  & 	collaboration tools? And...
Message-ID: <20120805092157.GZ12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Aug  5 03:32:11 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:32:11 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] Revised Liberationtech Mailing List
  Guidelines
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From virtualadept at gmail.com  Sun Aug  5 16:18:56 2012
From: virtualadept at gmail.com (Bryce Lynch)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:18:56 -0400
Subject: [ZS] Bitcoin + Open Transactions + Web Of Trust
Message-ID: <mailman.3633.1576008236.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:

>     Web-Of-Trust: Provides: Reputation system so there is consequences if somebody scams (nobody will
> trade with them), and good reputations have value. Needs: Low-Trust transfer of value, so parties with no
> reputation can build a good reputation: (Bitcoin) Needs: Formal way to describe contracts, that can describe
> the

Didn't the cypherpunks do research on zero-trust reputation management
networks back in the 90's?  Also, the trust metric normalization
research being done now should be part of that if it's not already.

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From virtualadept at gmail.com  Sun Aug  5 16:20:48 2012
From: virtualadept at gmail.com (Bryce Lynch)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:20:48 -0400
Subject: [ZS] Bitcoin + Open Transactions + Web Of Trust
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On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Lodewijk andri de la porte <l at odewijk.nl> wrote:

> Seeing as how he's performed a lot and done so perfectly thus far his
> present rating is exactly accurate.

To be fair, some of the biggest and most hard hitting scams on the
Silk Road so far were perpetrated by people who spent stupid amounts
of time (well over a year) and effort (rep scores in the double, if
not triple digits) building reputations before they blew it all to
scrap with a single massive rip-off.

> In finance it is more important to have explained what someone's plan is and
> to have reason to assume one will not cheat his/her way out of that plan
> (like greater loss/discomfort, jail for example. Death is popular too, in
> some circles). These two things are quite much what pirateat40 lacks.

Assassination markets, while an interesting idea, haven't yet really
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Subject: [ZS] Bitcoin + Open Transactions + Web Of Trust
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From nadim at nadim.cc  Mon Aug  6 15:53:15 2012
From: nadim at nadim.cc (Nadim Kobeissi)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:53:15 -0700
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
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Thanks, Moxie, for clarifying a lot already. I have some more things to add
as Cryptocat's lead developer:
This is a very misinformed blog post that's been going around concerning
Cryptocat's development roadmap that I need to address, simply because not
only is the post so fundamentally incorrect on its technical assumptions,
but it goes around being written in a surprisingly authoritative tone:

The blog post suggests that becoming a local browser app means that
Cryptocat no longer uses JavaScript cryptography. This is nonsense:
JavaScript is a *language*, and since browser apps/plugins are written in
an HTML5 framework, we will still be using JavaScript to implement
cryptographic functions. The only thing that has changed is *the method of
code delivery.* Cryptocat research, even with this change in code delivery,
remains within the purview of JavaScript cryptography research, not
abandoning it but improving it by suggesting a different method of code
delivery. The articles that the blog post links to attack JS crypto code
delivery methods, and we are answering those concerns:
 * We have NOT "Abandoned JS crypto" and "officially declared" that
JavaScript crypto is "wrong."
* We have NOT "declared that you cannot do serious crypto in pure
JavaScript"
 * We HAVE simply changed the method of JS code delivery into a local
browser plugin, in order to further advance the security of JS
cryptography.
 I have absolutely no idea where the author pulled his conclusions from and
I'm really surprised as to how certainly he posits them in his blog post.

The author goes on to posit that a browser extension be used in order to
provide a standard cryptographic API for browsers. This is redundant for
two reasons:
* The W3C is already working on a standard cryptographic API for browsers:
http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/ (Cryptocat is part of this working group.)
 * There exists a variety of vetted, very well-designed standard libraries
for client-side browser crypto, such as http://crypto.stanford.edu/sjcl/and
http://code.google.com/p/crypto-js/.
 When writing a blog posts that takes ideas as granted facts, please make
sure you know what you're talking about.

NK


On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Moxie Marlinspike
<moxie at thoughtcrime.org>wrote:

>
> I've noticed that this discussion has a tendency to be framed in terms
> of the crypto primitives.  The core problems, as I see them, are
> actually somewhat unrelated to whether it's possible to efficiently
> perform cryptographic operations in JavaScript or not.  In my reading,
> this blog post seems to imply that the recent decisions CryptoCat has
> made are a result of that question, but my understanding is that they're
> actually fairly unrelated.
>
> A W3C standardized Crypto API, or a browser extension that acts as a
> generic crypto provider, are a little too myopic to fully address the
> fundamental question of the interaction between dynamically loaded JS
> and the user's interface to their browser.  The problem isn't so much
> whether JS can perform a cryptographic operation, but whether the user
> knows that it is, to what extent, to whom, and what *else* the JS is doing.
>
> The questions that CryptoCat has brought up for me are:
>
> 1) How does one create a webapp that provides client-based cryptography,
> without the security of that app simply being reduced to the security of
> SSL?  If every time I initiate a chat session, it's a JS app that I'm
> loading over SSL, any attacker who could intercept that SSL connection
> (a lot of people today) would be able to intercept the contents of that
> chat session simply by modifying the JS in transit (so that it sends the
> attacker a copy of the plaintext, etc).  Doesn't matter whether the
> crypto primitives are good are not.
>
> 2) How does one create a webapp that provides client-based cryptography,
> without the security of that app simply being reduced to the security of
> server-based cryptography?  If every time I go to encrypt something
> client-side, I have to ask the server for the JS to perform that
> encryption, it's reducible to trusting the server with my plaintext.
> The server could choose, at any time, to hand me JS that appears to be
> performing encrypted operations, but is also transmitting a copy of the
> plaintext as well.  Again, this doesn't depend on the existence of solid
> crypto primitives.
>
> 3) Is there any value at all to "warnings" that are placed on tools for
> providing secure communication or privacy, and is there something we can
> do better or instead?  These types of warnings are beginning to suffer
> from a "certificate warning" effect.  Users are so accustomed to seeing
> them that they ignore them.  Even Tor, which has been around for years,
> and is widely recommended for use in a number of dangerous situations,
> still comes with a warning about its beta nature.  In some sense, it's
> possible that a "warning" is now almost an incentive for someone to use
> that tool in a hostile context: people who are serious about security
> put warnings on their tools, while charlatans wouldn't be so inclined.
>
> 4) How do we experiment with security/privacy solutions?  If we don't
> have all the answers, but want to attempt to start a discussion or an
> effort in a specific direction, what do we do?  If we do it in public,
> chance are that people might actually start using our solution (perhaps
> proportionate to the number of warnings we include!), or reporters might
> start writing articles with shamefully ridiculous headlines about it.
>
> - moxie
>
> --
> http://www.thoughtcrime.org
>
> On 08/04/2012 12:06 PM, Uncle Zzzen wrote:
> > https://crypto.cat will soon stop being a web-based service, and will
> > only exist as a browser extension.
> > The question is, what should future web-app developers do if they need
> > crypto? Rewrite all crypto primitives from scratch [and hope there's
> > enough interest in reviewing the code], then let users install yet
> > another extension?
> >
> > I believe there's a better solution. I've posted something about it. I
> > hope some of you would  find it interesting.
> >
> http://thedod.noblogs.org/post/2012/08/04/what-ive-learned-from-cryptocat/
> >
> > Cheers,
> > The Dod
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From virtualadept at gmail.com  Mon Aug  6 13:31:25 2012
From: virtualadept at gmail.com (Bryce Lynch)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:31:25 -0400
Subject: [ZS] IMPORTANT: Delegation, decentralization, personal initiative
	& flying the ZS flag
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On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:01 AM, ZeroState.net <info at zerostate.net> wrote:

> Basically I'm going to keep churning away doing everything I can, and
> setting up infrastructure that helps everyone else to be as effective as
> possible, but at the same time everyone else needs to just run with their

There are bits of infrastructure that the rest of us can set up, Amon.

The Zero State wants to use the Tor network to communicate, yes?  So,
let's set up Tor nodes.  All of us.

Not necessarily exit nodes or routers - not everyone's in a position
to do that - but to run a Tor hidden service you don't need to run an
exit node or router, just a Tor client.  Tor in client mode is
perfectly capable of making arbitrary TCP-based services available on
the Tor network, in fact that's how Torchat works.

There are some services we've been talking about for nearly a year
now, from a private link aggregator ala delicious.com to a distributed
software development and revision control system.  Let's set a few of
these things up as Tor services, spread the .onion URLs out of band
(i.e. not on this mailing list) and hammer on them.  For those of us
who use IRC, set up #zerostate channels if they don't exist already
(or join the ones that do) so we can have a presence.  Let's set up a
Tor-only Zero State IRC server, for that matter.

> ZS isn't just the people on this list, or the official members register, or
> the facebook group, or the blog readers or whatever. It is all of us, PLUS
> the people we personally go out there to connect with.

If you're involved in any projects (and a lot of us are) there isn't
any harm in stating that you're a member of the Zero State in addition
to being a dev on $project.

> 1) What am I interested in or working on that fits with the ZS spirit?
> Whatever that thing is, THAT is the ZS you need to be promoting and engaging
> with!

Again, practically all of us on this mailing list have projects
running in the background.  Let's collaborate on them.

Project Byzantium (my pet project) needs translators for the control
panel, the captive portal, and some other stuff.  We're refactoring
code right now but when we get i18n going I could really use some help
with that.  I'm willing to try out some transcranial
electrostimulation systems to see how well they work on my
non-standard neurology, plus I'm going to need to cram a few languages
for some overseas travel coming up, so I'd like to see if I can do an
"I know Kung-Fu" while under the electrical influence.

What else does everyone have?  What are we willing to put even two
hours toward on someone else's project?

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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:04:09 +0200
Subject: The Armory is about to close
Message-ID: <20120806160409.GS12615@leitl.org>

A good thing actually, less heat towards BitCoin.

http://bitcoinmagazine.net/not-ready-silk-roads-the-armory-terminated/

Silk Roadbs bThe Armoryb Terminated

More articles by Justin Porter B;

Written by: Justin Porter

Tags: breaking news, spotlight, the armory

The Armory is Shutting Down

The owner and operator of Silk Road, aliased as Dread Pirate Roberts,
announced on August 2nd, 2012 that bThe Armoryb, an extension of Silk Road
focused on allowing users to anonymously buy and sell munitions, will be
closing.  Roberts cited a low and continuously declining number of
transactions b enough that the 10% take of Silk Road wasnbt even enough to
keep the servers paid b as reason for discontinuing this particular arm of
the Silk Road marketplace. Some users explain user dis-interest with high
prices on The Armory, and too much competition from local dealers, who can
still retain customer privacy while conducting legal transactions.

The Armory is not yet closed b a countdownhas been initiated. Roberts warns
users to finish up their current business and withdraw any lingering funds
before the countdown is reached.

Many Bitcoin users have expressed joy over the closure, either for personal
anti-gun reasons, or for the removal of a potential derogatory connotation of
Bitcoins with the illegal sale of firearms.

Despite this closure, there may be hope in the future for those interested in
anonymously pawning and procuring guns online.  Roberts states, bif we are
going to serve an anonymous weapons market, I think it will require more
careful thought an[d] planning,b indicating the possibility of a future
restoration of the service after some additional forethought on the design.




From gmaxwell at gmail.com  Mon Aug  6 16:28:53 2012
From: gmaxwell at gmail.com (Gregory Maxwell)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:28:53 -0400
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
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On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
> The blog post suggests that becoming a local browser app means that
> Cryptocat no longer uses JavaScript cryptography. This is nonsense:
> JavaScript is a *language*, and since browser apps/plugins are written in an
> HTML5 framework, we will still be using JavaScript to implement
> cryptographic functions. The only thing that has changed is *the method of
> code delivery.*

This makes me a little sad.  Previously, I understood what cryptocat was for:

It was an insecure system, which was still probably significantly more
secure than the common default unencrypted system, for use where
deployment/usability issues meant it the choice was
insecure-hosted-software or totally-insecure-plaintext.
Non-server-replaceable systems like OTR were strictly preferable, of
course, but in reality aren't ubiquitously used like they ought to be.

With it becoming a browser extensionb it seems like it would gain
much, although not all, of the usability challenges that precluded
using OTR in the first place and in those places where the extension
can't be pre-installed we still have short term SSL CA trust
challenges (for the on-demand distribution of the extension). It also
still retains many of the JS crypto specific technical challenges (no
mlock, so no way to prevent long term keying material from hitting
disk; generational GC so overwriting can't be trusted to reduce cold
boot attack exposure).

No doubt you'll find this an unwanted barb when you're already working
hard trying to make good software to protect people, and that isn't my
intention... but I don't know how to illustrate my confusion
otherwise.
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From ali at packetknife.com  Mon Aug  6 17:53:48 2012
From: ali at packetknife.com (Ali-Reza Anghaie)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:53:48 -0400
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
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On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's difficult.  I'm not a technologist, but I understand the issues and the
> user needs well.  My "type," I'd surmise, is few and far between.

The problem isn't that your type is few and far between - the problem
is that InfoSec has almost wholly ignored ESTABLISHED activists. As if
the techniques, acceptable risk levels, etc. are new issues. They're
simply not.

> Security experts have obvious reasons for being conservative, and I get
> that.  Nevertheless, there are a lot of users who would benefit from a
> little bit of added security.  The question, then, as I see it, is:
>
> How do we provide that little bit while still making users aware of risks?

It's been my experience that providing these risks in-band is just not
doable - and the target end-users don't have time to worry about it.
So OPSEC has to be something that tools like Cryptocat don't assume
responsibility for. These is InfoSec sacrilege but it's the way
activists have traditionally had to work in the first place. As an
example, lets say w/ Iran, you're never - ever - going to be able to
address the OPSEC concerns of a given Internet cafe. What you can do
instead is provide a tool that works from every possible cafe and
trust the end-user to manage the OPSEC of their surroundings such that
perimeter controls, MITM risks, etc. are mitigated another way.

If that's not tenable for Nadim or his particular crowd then a shift
from developer to activist needs to be made. Just like any other
process, the product isn't out their for product's sake - it has
"customers".. and it's not those people who think they need an easier
lazier option to setting up OTR or PGP.

BTW, you're not without understanding and support in the Security
community. Meredith Patterson among others have batted this around
with me on Twitter - and understand the economics of the situation
fine.

Good luck Nadim and friends, -Ali
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From frank at journalistsecurity.net  Mon Aug  6 22:19:44 2012
From: frank at journalistsecurity.net (frank at journalistsecurity.net)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:19:44 -0700
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <mailman.3639.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

   Hey guys,

   I appreciate the importance and depth of this discussion. But I also
   wish to underscore that most of the people who are at risk are not
   using any tools whether they be CrytoCat, PGP, GChat or others for the
   simple reason that they either cannot figure them out, or don't have
   time to figure them out, or both. And I am talking about people at risk
   in many different nations.

   No doubt the functional security of tools is an indispensable,
   essential concern. Ignoring any vulnerabilities is dangerous, indeed.
   But the usability of the same tools and making them accessible to
   non-technologists is just as big a concern, in my view. I know you guys
   think that many such users including Western journalists are simply
   lazy. But many, if not most of the available tools are simply not
   intuitive, or not as much as most technologists who already know how to
   use them seem to think.

   How many people on this list have spent time asking non-technologists
   and other users who have tried, but have since given up even trying to
   use tools like PGP? Or have examined how new users interact with such
   tools? I have a great deal of respect for this community. But to be
   honest it seems to me that neither the technologists nor the donors
   have spent much time asking such questions.

   If a novice user make a mistake in PGP, for example, it's over. Options
   are not intuitive if you don't already know them. And if you hit the
   wrong button, you can end up at a deadend with no guidance how to get
   back on track. Trust me. I know. And I am not trashing PGP. I know well
   and fully appreciate it's value and I have used it and continue to use
   it hostile environments. And I also know that users and only users can
   make crucial choices during use for their own security. I get that,
   too. But most digital security tools still do not do a good job of
   laying out, let alone explaining the options. And I say that with
   respect for the value of the tools and options themselves.

   Cryptocat is one of the most user-friendly tools out there, and I think
   Nadim deserves credit for the effort. Of course, the vulnerabilities
   must be fixed before anyone should use it in a hostile environment.
   Although the level of vulnerability might also depend on the nature of
   the threat in any particular environment. But I also think we need to
   spend as much time making tools accessible as we do making them secure
   if we are going to reach the people who really need them. And right now
   few if any of these tools are having the reach that we all agree is
   needed. And that is an issue largely of usability.

   I think with more constructive collaboration we would achieve both. We
   need to. Thanks.

   Best, Frank

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   Subject: Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
   From: Moxie Marlinspike <[4]moxie at thoughtcrime.org>
   Date: Mon, August 06, 2012 10:29 pm
   To: [5]liberationtech at lists.stanford.edu
   On 08/06/2012 06:59 PM, Eleanor Saitta wrote:
   > Except that with your harm mitigation, you push many potential users
   > back to plaintext, where they are guaranteed to be owned. What
   > percentage of potential cryptocat users would the plugin version have
   to
   > stop from using the tool for you to accept that there was a place for
   > the non-plugin version?
   Let's stop using the word "plaintext," because my understanding is that
   none of the chat services we're speaking of transmit data in the clear.
   As I see it, there are currently three possible vectors for attack with
   "existing" web-based chat services:
   1) SSL interception.
   2) Server compromise.
   3) Server operator.
   The technology in CryptoCat v1 does not address any of these three
   vectors, and all of them remain possible. My position is that it's
   actually more susceptible to attack via #1 and #2 than existing
   web-based chat solutions. I believe your position is that it improves
   on vector #3 by virtue of being not-Facebook. (I'm curious how you
   measure #3 in comparison to GChat.)
   If we postulate that CryptoCat does improve vector #3 by virtue of
   being
   not-Facebook, it isn't a result of the technology, but simply that
   we've
   agreed Nadim has a better monitoring/interception track record than
   Facebook. If that's something you think is valuable, it actually seems
   like it'd potentially be better served by having someone like the EFF
   or
   Riseup host a web-based and SSL-protected chat service, without brining
   any additional cryptography confusion into the mix. A trust project,
   not a cryptography project.
   Unfortunately for me, I'd rather depend on cryptography than people.
   But I believe that CryptoCat is actually well positioned to drive
   changes in the ecosystem that will allow them to really improve on
   those
   three vectors in time. I think it's difficult to experiment in public
   with security tools, however, and that it's a sage decision to make a
   secure solution available (CryptoCat v2) and work on reducing friction
   while maintaining security from there.
   - moxie
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   6. http://www.thoughtcrime.org/
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From yarrkov at gmail.com  Mon Aug  6 13:27:45 2012
From: yarrkov at gmail.com (Elias Yarrkov)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:27:45 +0300
Subject: [cryptography] A small public key encryption program
Message-ID: <mailman.3640.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Greetings, guys.

I thought you might be interested in this little ECDH-based public key
encryption program that I wrote. Primarily this is an experiment in how simple
and small this stuff can be. It probably contains the simplest public C
implementation of usably efficient elliptic curve point scalar multiplication,
and thus might be useful in learning practical ECC. In particular, Curve25519.

For symmetric stuff, I use EnRUPT in the sponge construction. XXTEA could've
been alternatively used (with increased rounds, of course), but it does not
appear to provide as much resistance to attacks per processing time in this
context, and is slightly more complex. For EnRUPT, I use twice the standard
number of rounds.

I use a custom KDF. I intend to write about this manner of constructing KDFs
later. The goal is to cause a high area*time cost for massively parallel brute
force via ASIC, similar to scrypt.

That's about it. More information here: http://cipherdev.org/dhbitty.html

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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Aug  6 23:33:15 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:33:15 +0200
Subject: [cryptography] A small public key encryption program
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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Aug  6 23:34:33 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:34:33 +0200
Subject: [ZS] IMPORTANT: Delegation, decentralization, personal 
  initiative & flying the ZS flag
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From dan at eff.org  Tue Aug  7 09:02:20 2012
From: dan at eff.org (Dan Auerbach)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:02:20 -0700
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <mailman.3641.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Making an informed decision as a user or a developer when it comes to
real-world tradeoffs between usability and security of course hinges
upon your threat model. I think this is ultimately an empirical question
-- we should be aiming to create a taxonomy of various actual tools
packaged and sold by companies like FinFisher, beyond just the
brochures. For example, Morgan and Citizen Lab did an excellent analysis
recently of FinSpy (in case you missed it:
http://citizenlab.org/2012/07/from-bahrain-with-love-finfishers-spy-kit-exposed/).
Expanding this research and getting an inside view into the industry
will help everyone make non-speculative decisions about threat models.
It's a difficult problem -- getting this inside view -- but it seems
worthwhile. Is anyone working towards compiling such a list?

And I'll just add that I agree with Moxie about recommending gchat over
cryptocat for users in jurisdictions where Google is unlikely to hand
over information to LE. However, even in this case it may not be so
black and white. The FinSpy software mentioned above, for example, may
intercept Google's chat traffic because it's a popular service, and may
ignore cryptocat because it is relatively unknown. This isn't an
argument that cryptocat v1 is a tenable long-term alternative, but just
shows that it's very difficult to be maximally protect every single user
when it comes to real-world recommendations.

Finally, I'll just support the idea that usability is critical and the
burden of making something usable should always be on the developer,
never on the intelligence or know-how of the user. Although I agree
cryptocat v1 has significantly more security issues than v2, I think the
sacrifice in usability moving to v2 is significant and I'd hypothesize
that installing an extension is much harder for people than visiting a
website. Though, again, it's an empirical question that can be answered
rigorously through user experience research.

On 08/07/2012 08:02 AM, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Moxie Marlinspike
> <moxie at thoughtcrime.org> wrote:
>> However, my position is that Google Chat is currently more secure than
>> CryptoCat.  To be more specific, if I were recommending a chat tool for
>> activists to use, *particularly* outside of the United States, I would
>> absolutely recommend that they use Google Chat instead of CryptoCat.
>> Just as I would recommend that they use GMail instead HushMail.
>>
>> The security of CryptoCat v1 is reducible to the security of SSL, as
>> well as to the security of the server infrastructure serving the page.
>> Any attacker who can intercept SSL traffic can intercept a CryptoCat
>> chat session, just as any attacker who can compromise the server (or the
>> server operator themselves) can intercept a CryptoCat chat session.
> Are you equating passive attacks with active attacks? If I understand
> how CryptoCat works correctly, it is resistant against passive
> interception attacks, whereas Google Chat stores cleartext on Google
> servers, which are easily accessible to law enforcement. Active
> attacks against SSL can be mitigated by pinning CryptoCat
> certificates, so you are left with what, compromise of server
> infrastructure? That requires LE jurisdiction where the servers are
> located, domain expertise, and dealing with the risk that the
> compromise is detected. All that vs. Google servers, which, if I
> remember right, provide a friendly interface to user accounts once
> served with a simple wiretapping order (and as has been already
> mentioned, Google is a multinational corporation, subject to a
> multitude of jurisdictions, and is known to bend over for whoever is
> in charge).
>



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From tom at ritter.vg  Tue Aug  7 06:30:52 2012
From: tom at ritter.vg (Tom Ritter)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:30:52 -0400
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
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I agree with a lot of the points being raised, including all of
Moxie's (especially about Google v Riseup) but also Eleanor's
regarding niche products and irrelevancy.

In particular I want to expand on this bit:

On 6 August 2012 22:29, Moxie Marlinspike <moxie at thoughtcrime.org> wrote:
> Let's stop using the word "plaintext," because my understanding is that
> none of the chat services we're speaking of transmit data in the clear.
>  As I see it, there are currently three possible vectors for attack with
> "existing" web-based chat services:
>
> 1) SSL interception.
> 2) Server compromise.
> 3) Server operator.
>
> The technology in CryptoCat v1 does not address any of these three
> vectors, and all of them remain possible.  My position is that it's
> actually more susceptible to attack via #1 and #2 than existing
> web-based chat solutions.

I agree with that position wholeheartedly.

Still, possible does not equate to easy.  Cryptocat is the Jackie
Robinson of Web Crypto Services[0].  And not to fault Nadim, as this
is a volunteer effort, but there is more it can and should do to make
it harder for #1 - just as Google and Facebook have done.

 - Cryptocat should use DNSSEC - even if validating resolvers are not
deployed, it's another piece.  Maybe down the road when a binary
plugin is developed, it can validate the DNSSEC chain.[1]
 - It should Pin certificates in Chrome.  As soon as the header is
supported in any other browser it should use it.  Same with TACK.
 - It should assert the SSL certificate with both DANE and
DNSSEC-Stapled Certificates
 - It should (it does for the record, just saying) use Strict Transport Security
 - It should (it now does as of Sunday) deploy Content Security Policy
 - It should do all the other security techniques recommended:
x-frame-options, X-Content-Type-Options, etc
 - Where it is possible, plugins should assert the validity of the Code and Keys
 - Controversial: It should use per-request mutated javascript
obfuscation to make it more difficult to inline-middle the application
in realtime[2]
 - It could experiment with browser enhancements to provide signed
javascript files and so on

All of those are not too difficult for an individual to try, and it
makes SSL Interception harder.  It's not any less possible, but it
raises the bar.  If you think these techniques aren't effective - I
challenge you to do a live MITM of the gmail interface and have it
still function seemlessly.  It just flat-out won't work in Chrome of
course, but even in Firefox - it is not trivial.[4]  That's what I
mean by being Jackie Robinson - you just have to be 'better'.  Above
and beyond.

Trying to fix #2 is way, way harder because it's just impractical to
tell someone "Oh, compile everything from source, run a perfectly
secure Linux box with PaX and grsecurity, etc etc"  Ideally, that's
what we'd have.  I suppose the important part is to acknowledge the
risk of server compromise, and keep the bars approximately equal.  If
all the above measures were employed, but the server left the way it
was - then rooting the box is absolutely easier.  Google and Facebook
have a huge advantage here.


[0] If you don't get the reference, Jackie Robinson broke the
segegration barrier in US baseball - he was spit, cursed, threatened
with murder, had pitches thrown at his head - and through it all, he
just played the game steadfastly. There's an urban legend (I'm unsure
on it's truth) that his contract stated he couldn't complain, even
when fans spit on him.
[1] If your arguement is 'I don't trust DNSSEC' my response is 'Me
neither, but I believe in beaurcracy and turf wars and that it'd be
more difficult for a government to subvert two PKIs than one.'
[2] If your arguement against it is "but then I can't audit it" my
argument is "you don't audit it now." If your argument is still "I
can't trust the code delivered" my response is "well, since you
obviously are doing local SSL interception to read the server
responses, hash the mutated javascript serverside, and send a PGP
signature along with it so you can do the same and trust it that way".
[3]
[3] Heck, maybe that's a way to upgrade web services to thick client
services - have an optional thick client someone can run that sits as
a proxy running verification.  Same web interface works with or
without the tool, but the tool provides run-time verification.
[4] Javascript obfuscation makes it difficult to rewrite the code; if
you add code - CSP prevents you from exfiltrating easily; and if you
exfiltrate to another user in the chat the chatters *should see* this
other user in the chat they don't trust.


> I believe your position is that it improves
> on vector #3 by virtue of being not-Facebook.  (I'm curious how you
> measure #3 in comparison to GChat.)
>
> If we postulate that CryptoCat does improve vector #3 by virtue of being
> not-Facebook, it isn't a result of the technology, but simply that we've
> agreed Nadim has a better monitoring/interception track record than
> Facebook.  If that's something you think is valuable, it actually seems
> like it'd potentially be better served by having someone like the EFF or
> Riseup host a web-based and SSL-protected chat service, without brining
> any additional cryptography confusion into the mix.  A trust project,
> not a cryptography project.

Yes, yes, yes.  There is a *tremendous* amount of implicit and
unmentioned TRUST in the person operating the service or relying on
the software.  That's why anyone would use RedPhone, TextSecure or
WhisperCore back when it was closed source.  Because people *trusted*
Moxie.

If the EFF hosted an e-mail solution I'd be throwing money at them to
let me sign up.  Because Google is huge and diverse - they are
obligated to respond to legal threats in most of the countries of the
world.  Because Google is huge and opaque - I have little faith in
their ability to notify me/etc in the event of a LE request.  But the
EFF has both juristiction on their side (arguably they'd have more if
they were based in, say, Scandenavia) and they have trust.  I trust
that the EFF will fight harder for me than Google.  And there's
intimidation factor - a LE agency ought to know if they come the the
EFF with a request they need to back it up with a supoena or warrant.

I absolutely think of riseup as a trust project.  I would like to see
many more of them.  Nick Merril's Calyx Institute I think of as a
Trust Project.  He's trying very hard to remove Trust, and make it a
cryptography project - but he literally has to build the
infrastructure for that because it doesn't exist.  (Which is one of
the reasons you can't actually buy any services from them yet.)   It
will be *very* interesting to see how Phil Z's and Jon Callas' Silent
Circle positions itself.  A trust project?  They're aiming to remove
trust also; but to what extent can they?

Trying to improve upon the trust factor is extraordinarily difficult.
I think, in the short term, it relies on linking up with a person or
organization people already trust - and therefore somehow convincing
them to trust you. And in the long term - devoting your life to being
a trustworthy individual.  Not something we can solve with
cryptography - even a thick client.

Anyway, I realize I haven't addressed the issue of 'Should cryptocat
move to this model or that, shut itself down, add warnings, push
forward with users, etc'.  But I wanted to raise the point that it can
do more, today, to make users safers - and if _any_ webapp in this
sphere wants to push the envelope, it should probably do those things
first.*  And since people are already using it, these are options to
improve security besides just shutting it down.

-tom

* None of this is meant to be a slight at Nadim, who has certainly
earned my respect for both his effort and his results so far.
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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug  7 01:34:20 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:34:20 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug  7 01:36:16 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:36:16 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
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From dal at riseup.net  Tue Aug  7 08:53:31 2012
From: dal at riseup.net (Douglas Lucas)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:53:31 -0500
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <mailman.3643.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hi Libtech,

Moxie Marlinspike <moxie at thoughtcrime.org> wrote:

>> However, my position is that Google Chat is currently more secure
>> than CryptoCat.  To be more specific, if I were recommending a chat
>> tool for activists to use, *particularly* outside of the United
>> States, I would absolutely recommend that they use Google Chat
>> instead of CryptoCat. Just as I would recommend that they use GMail
>> instead HushMail.
>>
>> The security of CryptoCat v1 is reducible to the security of SSL, as
>> well as to the security of the server infrastructure serving the
>> page. Any attacker who can intercept SSL traffic can intercept a
>> CryptoCat chat session, just as any attacker who can compromise the
>> server (or the server operator themselves) can intercept a CryptoCat
>> chat session.

Maxim Kammerer replied:

> Are you equating passive attacks with active attacks? If I understand
> how CryptoCat works correctly, it is resistant against passive
> interception attacks, whereas Google Chat stores cleartext on Google
> servers, which are easily accessible to law enforcement. Active
> attacks against SSL can be mitigated by pinning CryptoCat
> certificates, so you are left with what, compromise of server
> infrastructure? That requires LE jurisdiction where the servers are
> located, domain expertise, and dealing with the risk that the
> compromise is detected. All that vs. Google servers, which, if I
> remember right, provide a friendly interface to user accounts once
> served with a simple wiretapping order (and as has been already
> mentioned, Google is a multinational corporation, subject to a
> multitude of jurisdictions, and is known to bend over for whoever is
> in charge).

Maxim's comments match my thoughts with regards to both current
Cryptocat over SSL and my analogy to Riseup webmail over SSL.

If Riseup does what they say they do[1], emails sitting on their servers
are not mined for advertising or LE (unlike Facebook chat, or as Maxim
suggests, gmail); their servers do not log IPs; IPs are not embedded in
emails; and outgoing emails to other secure email providers are
encrypted (StartTLS).

Furthermore, it appears Riseup plans[2] encryption for stored emails on
their servers in the future. Such a scheme would make the emails
difficult for LE, or more broadly, attackers, to get, even with a
warrant -- not only would they have to obtain forced decryption power,
which I don't think they have as of yet in the US, but also Riseup might
not be able to provide the relevant keys in any case. (That the NSA has
copies is a vulnerability, but perhaps not a relevant one, as to my
knowledge LE can't introduce NSA copies as evidence.)

Similarly with current Cryptocat over SSL: if the server and server
operator do what they say they do, there aren't data-mining operations
going on for the benefit of LE or advertisers.

Both Riseup and current Cryptocat over SSL rely on good SSL connections
and also trust that the server and server operator aren't compromised
(including incorrect implementations). Those 3 dependencies are far from
ideal, but at least the risk calculations are ones some activists
without access to OTR or PGP or their own .mx can make. Better than
known bad actors, known bad servers.

Maybe my technical understanding is lacking something here, but I
believe the above to be correct.

:-Douglas

1. https://help.riseup.net/en/email#what-is-special-about-riseup-net-email

2. https://we.riseup.net/riseuplabs+fsoc/personally-encrypted-imap-storage
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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:54:44 +0200
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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug  7 06:19:25 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:19:25 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <20120807131925.GF12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug  7 06:59:46 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:59:46 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <20120807135946.GJ12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug  7 07:02:06 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:02:06 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <20120807140206.GL12615@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Tom Ritter <tom at ritter.vg> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug  7 08:17:46 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:17:46 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <20120807151746.GR12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug  7 08:20:20 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:20:20 +0200
Subject: Parallel Currencies And The Roadmap To Monetary Freedom
Message-ID: <20120807152020.GT12615@leitl.org>

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/08/07/parallel-currencies-and-the-roadmap-to-monetary-freedom/

Parallel Currencies And The Roadmap To Monetary Freedom

It may not be as historically significant as President Nixon closing the gold
window in 1971, but Rep. Ron Paul laid out the framework for the inevitable
monetary confrontation of the future in his final U.S. Domestic Monetary
Policy Subcommittee hearing on bSound Money: Parallel Currencies and the
Roadmap to Monetary Freedom.b

The experts testifying included Robert Gray, Executive Director of the
American Open Currency Standard, Forbes contributor Nathan Lewis, author of
Gold: The Once and Future Money, and Dr. Richard Ebeling, Northwood
University economics professor. Rep. Paul also included a prepared statement
from constitutional lawyer and monetary expert, Dr. Edwin Vieira, who was
unable to attend.

Summarizing the August 2nd Congressional hearing, Alex Newman wrote for The
New American:

    According to Paul, the only way to stabilize the economy is by returning
to monetary freedom and legalizing constitutional money. And until the U.S.
government and the Fed get out of the way so the American people can choose
what money to use without government coercion, the economy will never be
truly stable and the supposed brecoveryb will be billusory,b he added.
Meanwhile, other nations are already catching on to the hoax even as
Americans lack the freedoms that citizens in some other parts of the world
have to invest and protect their wealth from inflation.

Largely echoing the sentiments of the chairman, the experts agreed that since
the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 the dollar has lost 98% of its
value and that central banking is a form of central planning with no place in
a free society.

Generally, the repeal of legal tender laws will allow individuals to decide
what to use as the preferred medium of exchange and open the door to
alternative currencies without threat of prosecution.

Rob Gray has been a tireless advocate for alternative open currency systems
and he is right to say bleave our money aloneb but I fundamentally disagree
with his stance on legal tender laws. He believes that the only effect of
legal tender laws is that if a debt is incurred without a specific agreement
for a particular type of payment, then that debt can be discharged with the
declared legal tender, or federal reserve notes. He even goes on say that, in
addition to not calling for repeal, he is in favor of existing legal tender
laws because they are so innocuous.

Although technically correct in stating that legal tender laws do not result
in btax obligation, exclusive requirement, and/or mandatory acceptance,b Gray
misses a major and symbolic effect that they do have and sometimes itbs a
chilling effect.

The legal tender laws have the effect of giving one form of money an
artificial preference over another by making that form of money acceptable
for the payment of taxes. Therefore, it indirectly puts forms of money
without legal tender status at a disadvantage because people will perceive
the blegallyb preferred monetary unit as having an underlying value greater
than zero. That is why I oppose legal tender laws, Mr. Gray.

Then, a bit of bitcoin drama occurred when Rep. David Schweikert (R-Arizona)
initially referred to the cryptocurrency as bumb&.what was one of them
called?b&.somethingb&.coinb near the end of the hearing. To my knowledge, that
is only the second time that bitcoin has been entered into the congressional
record. The first being when Prof. Larry White mentioned bitcoin in his
prepared testimony for the Free Competition in Currency Act of 2011.

Contrary to Nathan Lewisb statement that bevery currency has an issuer,b
bitcoin does not require an issuer.

Proving once again that events in the real world unfold faster than those in
power can comprehend, the participants probably did not know that bitcoin is
currently the largest distributed computing project in existence today,
passing the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) project some
time ago.

They probably were also not aware that bitcoin is a three-year-old
decentralized bootstrapped currency with a $100 million plus monetary base
that is immune from government regulation and, more importantly, immune from
the crippling effects of monetary policy.




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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug  7 08:56:07 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:56:07 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
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From mk at dee.su  Tue Aug  7 08:02:28 2012
From: mk at dee.su (Maxim Kammerer)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:02:28 +0300
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <mailman.3645.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Moxie Marlinspike
<moxie at thoughtcrime.org> wrote:
> However, my position is that Google Chat is currently more secure than
> CryptoCat.  To be more specific, if I were recommending a chat tool for
> activists to use, *particularly* outside of the United States, I would
> absolutely recommend that they use Google Chat instead of CryptoCat.
> Just as I would recommend that they use GMail instead HushMail.
>
> The security of CryptoCat v1 is reducible to the security of SSL, as
> well as to the security of the server infrastructure serving the page.
> Any attacker who can intercept SSL traffic can intercept a CryptoCat
> chat session, just as any attacker who can compromise the server (or the
> server operator themselves) can intercept a CryptoCat chat session.

Are you equating passive attacks with active attacks? If I understand
how CryptoCat works correctly, it is resistant against passive
interception attacks, whereas Google Chat stores cleartext on Google
servers, which are easily accessible to law enforcement. Active
attacks against SSL can be mitigated by pinning CryptoCat
certificates, so you are left with what, compromise of server
infrastructure? That requires LE jurisdiction where the servers are
located, domain expertise, and dealing with the risk that the
compromise is detected. All that vs. Google servers, which, if I
remember right, provide a friendly interface to user accounts once
served with a simple wiretapping order (and as has been already
mentioned, Google is a multinational corporation, subject to a
multitude of jurisdictions, and is known to bend over for whoever is
in charge).

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug  7 09:12:40 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:12:40 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
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From jacob at appelbaum.net  Tue Aug  7 16:06:47 2012
From: jacob at appelbaum.net (Jacob Appelbaum)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:06:47 +0000
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <mailman.3646.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Jillian C. York:
> Gotta agree with others who note consensus as a problem...the reason (in my
> view) being that risk assessment is imperative and that no single guide can
> respond to various risk models.


It's interesting because one outcome seems to be that almost everyone
agrees that plaintext should not be considered reasonable. That's a
great outcome so far - I remember a time when people felt that it was
fine, most of the time, to have unencrypted communications as the norm.

I look forward to the day when those same people start to get the big
picture on general social graph style traffic analysis.

All the best,
Jake
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From morristan at tormail.org  Tue Aug  7 19:27:59 2012
From: morristan at tormail.org (morristan)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 02:27:59 +0000
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform
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Silk Road reported to make $1.9 million per month,  
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/08/06/black-market-drug-site-silk-road-booming-22-million-in-annual-mostly-illegal-sales/

Tor Project reported to make $1.3 million per year,  
https://www.torproject.org/about/findoc/2010-TorProject-combined-Form990_PC_Audit_Results.pdf 
(page 3). Read carefully, Tor Project lost $17,285 in 2010 on revenues of 
$1.336 million. In plain english, they spent more than they received.

Perhaps the Silk Road people should donate to Tor. Perhaps they should  
fund hidden service improvements in Tor. Perhaps both.

This informs me a few things:

1. Tor is easier to use than we think, given motivation to do so.
2. 150,000 or so people use Tor for hidden services, or for silk road  
alone (a hidden service).
3. Tor is not profiting from hidden services.
4. Tor and hidden services are good enough for an ecommerce platform.

Who will make the first profitable, legal ecommerce site on dot onion?

Morris Tan
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From arma at mit.edu  Wed Aug  8 02:50:46 2012
From: arma at mit.edu (Roger Dingledine)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 05:50:46 -0400
Subject: [tor-talk] Roger's status report, July 2012
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Here's what I said at the beginning of July that I hoped to do:

> - Attend the Dev meeting and hack fest in Florence. Help everybody
> understand about our upcoming grants, and the upcoming deliverables that
> go with them.

Done. It was a great dev meeting and hack fest -- we had something like
40 Tor developers in one place. How the community has grown!
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2012SummerDevMeeting

Thanks again to Gunner for helping us making sure everything went smoothly
and we kept moving forward:
http://aspirationtech.org/about/people/gunner

> - Attend PETS

Done:
http://petsymposium.org/2012/program.php

David Fifield gave a fantastic talk on our Flash Proxy design:
http://crypto.stanford.edu/flashproxy/

I talked to Greg Norcie a lot about Tor Browser usability issues, progress
we've made so far, and what remains to be done:
http://petsymposium.org/2012/papers/hotpets12-1-usability.pdf
If we had enough money we should totally be funding research grants for
people like Greg to do further usability analysis. On the other hand, we
have a pile of known problems and not enough developers to actually fix
them -- so accruing *more* known problems, while great, maybe shouldn't
be the most immediate goal.

I should also draw your attention to Yossi Gilad's paper, "Spying in
the Dark: TCP and Tor Traffic Analysis":
http://freehaven.net/anonbib/papers/pets2012/paper_57.pdf
It's another in the line of congestion-based traffic analysis papers
(watch Alice's connection into the Tor network, send some packets to the
suspected exit relay and/or destination website to reduce its TCP window,
and then see if the flow on Alice's side slows down). It's unclear how
bad it is in practice (i.e. how practical the attack is), but it's a
nice example of how congestion attacks are not yet fully understood.

The next PETS will be at Indiana University next summer.

>plus do a talk at the 'provably privacy' workshop in Vigo.

Done:
https://www.cosic.esat.kuleuven.be/ecrypt/provpriv2012/program.html

The ecrypt workshop was a tough combination of people who already did
Tor research and people who didn't know that Tor doesn't mix. It ended
up being in part a group discussion of Tor's toughest research attacks,
to try to raise awareness of issues rather than suggest solutions.

> - Probably go to Berkeley for the last week in July.

Done. I met with EFF people for a day (mainly Peter Eckersley, talking
with Mike Perry and Isis about how to salvage our browser situation
in the face of both Firefox and Chrome including new privacy-invasive
features at a faster clip than we can keep up with).

I had lunch with Prateek Mittal, a post-doc at Berkeley who used to be in
Nikita Borisov's lab at Illinois. Prateek is working on Sybil resistance
and social-network-based security -- e.g. routing through your social
network to resist some of the attacks that Tor has problems with.

I also met briefly with Doug Tygar, a Berkeley prof who is working on
evaluating circumvention tools, and with Vern Paxson's group at ICSI,
who are looking into how to reason about pluggable transports and find
ways to do better at the arms race.

> - Summarize open simulation tickets and open performance tickets, so we
> can prioritize them and get more developer attention on them.

I talked to Karsten and Rob about performance work at the dev meeting,
and we moved each ticket forward individually. I haven't had a chance to
sit down and organize them en masse though:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/roadmaps/Tor/Performance

Nickm now has a list of specific Tor development tasks (mostly of the form
"clean up this patch so it's something we'd be willing to merge").

And Rob has been doing simulations on our current patches to help us
decide which ones should actually help:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6401

> - Publicize one or more new job openings on our jobs page:
> https://www.torproject.org/about/jobs.html.en
> and start collecting applications.

I helped Mike get the Tor Browser Hacker job description up and announced:
https://www.torproject.org/about/jobs-browserhacker
Now we need to get enough applications and interest that we have great
people to select from.

> - Make sure our new core dev gets added to the people page, and make
> sure we do some sort of announcement so there's closure. Follow-up on
> the original core dev job announcements to say we've got one (but leave
> the job announcement up, because we wouldn't mind having another if the
> perfect person came along).

I just added Andrea to the core people page, along with some other
people who have been core people for a while but never made it onto
the page. We continue to have a blurry line between which of our fine
volunteers happens to make it into the core people page. I think we
should probably put more of them on it -- isis and Moritz come to mind,
as well as David Fifield, Philipp Winter, the Tails people, Ian Goldberg,
and others.

All that said, I don't think we've actually done any sort of announcement
or acknowledgement about the core dev spot. Should we?

> - Ian told me that Tariq's "Changing of the Guards" paper was flawed. I
> don't yet agree that it's flawed -- I should follow up with them and see
> which parts of the design need to be discarded and which I can resurrect.

Tariq, Ian, I, and others ended up adapting the paper into a WPES
submission, which focuses on Tariq's framework for how to answer questions
about bridge churn.

I still think the investigation has uncovered a really interesting
privacy vulnerability: if the Tor client has perfect connectivity, it
will pick three guards, and if one of them goes offline it will continue
in a degraded "two guard" state rather than picking a fourth guard
and risking showing its circuits to a new relay. So far so good. But a
client with bad connectivity will end up with dozens or even hundreds
of guards on its list, and when one of its top three goes away it will
move to a fourth. Somewhere in there it would seem this is suboptimal
behavior. More research required, as they say.

> - Get Tor 0.2.3.x closer to stable.

We released 0.2.3.19-rc on 2012-07-06.

> - Organize and announce (hopefully in that order) our upcoming plans
> for encouraging more exit relays.

Done:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2012-July/001433.html

I spent much of my second half of July on this topic, including individual
mail threads with many of the fast exit and non-exit relay operators,
to strengthen the community and learn who is in a good position for
growing their relay.

We have several trac tickets following the "diversity metrics" side:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6232
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6443
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6498
https://metrics.torproject.org/fast-exits.html

I also talked to Sathya about having him do his undergrad thesis on the
question of measuring and tracking diversity in the Tor network. It would
be great to see more Tor research groups take an interest and give him
some guidance.

Next steps for me on the exit relay front are to hit up my contacts
at universities (Boston University and University of Waterloo run fast
exits, but many more want to if I just help them enough); figure out how
logistically we can get money to the exit relay operators who need it;
and figure out how to integrate Moritz into the "continuing to strengthen
the relay operator community" role.

> - Track down all the plans for my November trip to Amsterdam. The original
> plan was to speak in Rotterdam at their CA conference (organized after
> the DigiNotar thing), but that expanded to maybe talking to Dutch law
> enforcement, and then maybe Austrian law enforcement, and now the Belgian
> law enforcement want me to come explain the Internet to them too. All of
> these things are worth doing (the more law enforcement groups understand
> Tor, the less they hassle our exit relay operators and the less they
> lobby for laws to outlaw privacy), but we'll see how many I can fit in.

Not started. Should do rsn.

> - Start looking into properties we want for a more DPI-resistant "obfs3"
> protocol.

I talked to Ian Goldberg about it, and got him talking to George (asn)
at PETS. I believe they have a plan, and I think Brandon Wiley (our
gsoc student) is even planning to integrate it into his python pluggable
transport library. Stay tuned for more details.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here are some other things I did in July:

- While in Vigo, I called in to the SponsorF site visit to help brief the
program manager on our progress. One of the followups is that we should
either get a 320KB torperf instance running (since 50KB is very small),
or better, get something running that fetches some actual popular web
pages including their css, images, etc. We could either do it as "this
is how long it takes in practice to load the frontpage of foo.com",
which would show us realistic performance over time, or we could set up
a fake foo.com so real-world website changes don't add another variable.

- Had multiple tor-exec budget meetings to figure out how to do all the
new things our sponsors want, without running out of money. We have a
plan, and it looks good. I look forward to learning how much that means
we can scale up in 2013.

- Helped Karsten plan for the SponsorL deliverables:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2012-July/003808.html

- Did a bit of actual Tor development, including tracking down some
fun bugs like https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6404

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here are some items I expect to do in August:

- Chair the FOCI workshop at Usenix Security, and also attend the rest
of Usenix Security.
https://www.usenix.org/conference/foci12/tech-schedule/workshop-program
https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity12/tech-schedule/technical-sessions

- Talk to Ralf-Philipp Weinmann about his TorScan paper (upcoming at
Esorics) and what we can do to address his attacks.

- Look at Rob Jansen's performance graphs from his new Shadow simulations.
Try to move the performance tickets forward.

- Expand on the set of metrics by which the SponsorF Red Team will judge
the project's success. Specifically, I should list the anonymity attacks
that they shouldn't evaluate since the PETS community is already doing
a good job at evaluating anonymity attacks.

- Launch the "run fast bridges for BBG" campaign, ideally by gathering
volunteers on tor-relays.

- Launch the "exit relays at universities" push, and send BBG a timetable
for how our exit relay rollout is looking.

- Get some money to some exit relay operators, since it turns out (ha)
that it's harder than I expected on our side to do it in a way we'll
pass our audits.

- Get 0.2.3.20-alpha and 0.2.3.21-alpha out.
- Consider an 0.2.2.38 stable update.
- Consider an 0.2.4.1-alpha release.

- Sort out my September travel to Germany, and my November travel to
Netherlands et al.

- Schedule our NSF "censorship measurement" kickoff meeting, perhaps
the last week of September or first of October.

- Encourage Andrew to put our "project coordinator" job description up
and announce it.

- Try to take a vacation Aug 11-19.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Things I'm still dropping the ball on:

- Transparently document the secteam process, especially since we have
concluded to use it far less often and only for critical security things.

- Answer the thread between Karsten and Jake where we had an excited
volunteer with a clearly useful contribution that we totally dropped on
the floor. Try to generalize the experience to improve our response to new
contributors. We used to be great at it, and lately we're all overloaded.

- Add a "scientific papers" exception to our trademark-faq: I want to give
blanket permission to scientific papers to use the word Tor in their paper
name, so long as they don't go and write software under that name too.
https://www.torproject.org/docs/trademark-faq

- Make a plan for fixing all the "CBT sometimes breaks Tor" issues.
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/3443

- Start summarizing Tor research papers on the blog more regularly. There
have been a huge number of really important research papers lately,
and most Tor people don't know about them. Should I summarize them on
the blog (for a broader audience), or on tor-dev (for the rest of the
Tor developers), or what?

- I need new business cards.

- Get https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/sponsors/SponsorA
through D back up on the wiki somewhere (Andrew took them down since
they were concluded, and since they just listed contract deliverables
rather than the progress reports and trac ticket links that we've been
doing for later funders; but we should keep them there for posterity).

- Tell Micah Sherr and Chris Wacek (Georgetown) about the open
simulation questions; and get Rob Jansen (UMN/NRL), Mashael AlSabah
(Waterloo), etc a good summary of the current performance situation.

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From grarpamp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 04:23:46 2012
From: grarpamp at gmail.com (grarpamp)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:23:46 -0400
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform
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> 4. Tor and hidden services are good enough for an ecommerce platform.

Be careful the words... this is like saying the US Gov is doing great
at preventing 'terrorist' attacks simply because there haven't been any.

And although I might trust Tor, it's not wise to trust a GPA such
as the NSA, nor its supposed restriction on communicating
with law enforcement etc against SR. Even without that, it's pretty
easy to presume some reverse mail covers against the sellers
are in effect. SR's only been around for a year or two. It takes
at least that long for any really big sealed case to go down in
public. So we truly must wait much longer in order to presume
the statement in (4) is true.

>> Perhaps the Silk Road people should donate to Tor. Perhaps they
>> should fund hidden service improvements in Tor. Perhaps both.

> I doubt that the Tor Project will ever acknowledge such support.

Tor cannot accept known 'illegal' money, therefore acknowledgement
is moot. About the best Tor could do is be able to accept anonymous
donations in the first place. Then publish a bitcoin address for donations
from anyone. Then surely some unaffiliated and helpful bird would send
to SR the links to that address and to this thread.

Not sure, but I think at one point Tor accepted bitcoin, but then recanted.

Link to paper: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.7139v1
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From moxie at thoughtcrime.org  Wed Aug  8 08:38:10 2012
From: moxie at thoughtcrime.org (Moxie Marlinspike)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:38:10 -0700
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
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On 08/08/2012 06:37 AM, liberationtech at lewman.us wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 05:18:02PM -0700, erik at sundelof.com wrote 4.7K bytes in 111 lines about:
> :partial defenses using any technology tool. I may feel too strong about
> :tools being discussed as THE solution or THE bulletproof vest so to speak.
> 
> I'm not picking on you Erik, but this comment finally struck me
> about what's bothered me with this debate. There is no such thing as 'the
> bulletproof vest'.

I don't think anyone is saying we want an "ultimate solution."  We have
a set of technologies that we're trying to replace with a more secure
solution (GChat, Facebook, etc...).  It's as simple as looking at the
attack vectors that we're concerned users will experience with these
existing web-based chat solutions and asking the question of whether
CryptoCat improves on any of them.

Again, as I see it, there are three possible vectors for attack with
existing web-based chat solutions:

1) SSL intercept.
2) Server infrastructure.
3) Operator.

These are not theoretical, pie-in-the-sky vectors.  These are things
that are actually happening, are within the state of the art of an
average adversary, and are within the scope of what this type of
technology problem could potentially address.

My analysis is that the CryptoCat technology does not improve any of
these three vectors, and in fact might make the user more at risk to
compromise through #1 and #2 than with existing web-based chat solutions
(GChat, etc...).

So again, I don't believe that those of us who have concerns about
CryptoCat are asking for a "bulletproof vest."  We're not demanding the
"ultimate tool."  To use your analogy, I'm looking for a bulletproof
vest that's at minimum not rated *worse* than GChat, and ideally is
rated some degree higher.

- moxie

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From saftergood at fas.org  Wed Aug  8 08:46:11 2012
From: saftergood at fas.org (Steven Aftergood)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:46:11 -0700
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SECRECY NEWS
from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy
Volume 2012, Issue No. 81
August 8, 2012

Secrecy News Blog:  http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/


**     SECRECY NEWS ODDS AND ENDS
**     UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FOR MILLIONAIRES, AND MORE FROM CRS


SECRECY NEWS ODDS AND ENDS

A coalition of public interest groups asked the Senate and House
Intelligence Committees to preserve an existing requirement for the
Intelligence Community to produce an annual report on the number of
security clearances.  "We believe the annual report on security clearances
provides exceptional value to the public and should continue to be
published," the groups wrote.  The Senate Intelligence Committee markup of
the 2013 intelligence authorization bill would repeal the reporting
requirement.

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2012/08/clearance_rpt.pdf

Last week the Senate confirmed four of the five nominees to the
long-dormant Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board.  The nominations
of James Dempsey, Elisabeth Collins Cook, Rachel Brand and Patricia Wald
were unanimously confirmed.  For unexplained reasons, the Senate did not
act upon the nomination of David Medine to serve as Board chairman.

	http://bit.ly/MyauU7

The Naval Criminal Investigative Service contacted the Wired Danger Room
blog to inquire where its reporter obtained a certain unclassified document
five years ago and to ask that the document, which was marked "for official
use only," be taken offline.  "Danger Room, through its attorney, declined
to provide the information, or to answer any questions related to the
reporting of the story.  The document has not been removed."

	http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/08/ncis-vs-danger-room/

A government information security official not involved in the matter said
it was possible there was more to the story than appeared on the surface.  
"If the [NCIS] investigation is about the FOUO document, then it's
ridiculous. If it's about something else, we might not ever know."

The House Intelligence Committee filed its report on the extension of the
FISA Amendments Act.  Like its counterparts on the Judiciary Committee, the
Intelligence Committee rejected amendments that would shorten the extension
of the law and increase public oversight of its implementation.

	http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2012_rpt/hrpt112-645pt2.html

With little fanfare or self-congratulation, the National Reconnaissance
Office and the National Security Agency have been steadily declassifying
and releasing historical intelligence records.  "This tremendous amount of
information released in the past year is credit to an impressive
declassification program within the intelligence services," wrote historian
Dwayne Day in an assessment of the latest NRO releases. "The US military
and intelligence space programs during the first couple of decades of the
space age can now be described in incredible detail and understood far
better than before."

	http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2131/1


UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FOR MILLIONAIRES, AND MORE FROM CRS

Thousands of Americans who have a gross annual income of more than a
million dollars have also been collecting unemployment benefits, according
to IRS data compiled in a new report from the Congressional Research
Service.

That description fits only a tiny fraction of a percent of those receiving
unemployment benefits, and is obviously not typical of recipients of
unemployment insurance.  But neither does it violate any law. The issue has
prompted pending legislation to restrict benefits based on income.

See Receipt of Unemployment Insurance by Higher-Income Unemployed Workers
("Millionaires"), August 2, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42643.pdf

A persistent controversy in Japan concerning a U.S. Marine base in Okinawa
is reviewed in another new report from the Congressional Research Service.  
See The U.S. Military Presence in Okinawa and the Futenma Base Controversy,
August 3, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R42645.pdf

Other new and updated CRS reports that CRS is not authorized to release to
the public include the following.

Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty: Background and Current
Developments, August 3, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL33548.pdf

U.S.-China Relations: Policy Issues, August 2, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R41108.pdf

Uzbekistan: Recent Developments and U.S. Interests, August 3, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RS21238.pdf

Global Security Contingency Fund (GSCF): Summary and Issue Overview,
August 1, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R42641.pdf

Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) Education: A
Primer, August 1, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42642.pdf

Continuing Resolutions: Overview of Components and Recent Practices,
August 6, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42647.pdf

Department of Homeland Security: FY2013 Appropriations, August 3, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R42644.pdf



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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug  7 23:55:37 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:55:37 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <20120808065537.GM12615@leitl.org>

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From mk at dee.su  Tue Aug  7 23:07:49 2012
From: mk at dee.su (Maxim Kammerer)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:07:49 +0300
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform
Message-ID: <mailman.3652.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:27 AM, morristan <morristan at tormail.org> wrote:
> Perhaps the Silk Road people should donate to Tor. Perhaps they should fund
> hidden service improvements in Tor. Perhaps both.

I doubt that the Tor Project will ever acknowledge such support. Tor
developers (or at least policy people) like to pretend that Tor is
used for purposes that they consider morally right, and ignore the
uses that are morally wrong [1]. I believe it's an american thing b
one typical tell-tale sign is treating criminals as some masterminds
who can already easily achieve what they want [2] (americans are used
to doing the same in gun control debates), and ignoring the fact that
the project facilitates anonymity for criminals just as well, if not
more, as for non-criminals. Personally, I don't understand what's the
big deal about the make-believe game, and it probably detracts from
the project's credibility, but it's fun to watch nevertheless.

I actually intend to write a Tor server patch to be able to gather
.onion access statistics on relays, once I am sufficiently bored, just
for the fun cognitive dissonance potential (expecting drugs and CP
forums to top the list).

[1] https://www.torproject.org/about/torusers.html
[2] https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq-abuse.html#WhatAboutCriminals
[3] http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/vdhs8/hi_iama_we_are_core_members_of_the_tor_project/c53j9j9

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From virtualadept at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 06:39:35 2012
From: virtualadept at gmail.com (Bryce Lynch)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:39:35 -0400
Subject: [ZS] IMPORTANT: Delegation, decentralization, personal initiative
	& flying the ZS flag
Message-ID: <mailman.3653.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Dirk Bruere <dirk.bruere at gmail.com> wrote:

> In which case TOR is going to be a very minority interest, except for
> very occasional use.
> In fact, I cannot think of any instance where I have needed such
> anonymity over the past decade

Please keep in mind the following things:

An increasing number of world powers (i.e., goverments) are deploying
hardware at both the ISP and the national levels of communications
infrastructure which are capable of monitoring the traffic of
thousands of people in realtime, 24 hours a day, seven days a week,
year 'round.

There is no shortage of manufacturers of this hardware and software:
http://werebuild.telecomix.org/wiki/Blue_cabinet

Surveillance deployment in the Middle East is on the mind of many,
chiefly because they think it can't happen where they live.  It
already has happened where they live.  The country I live in - the
United States - deployed this functionality over a decade ago and has
gone to incredible lengths to keep it not only unaccountable but safe
from any sort of oversight or legal interdiction.  The only reason
this is known is a pair of whistleblowers who are now nearly as hot
targets as Julian Assange is these days.  Depending on whom you talk
to, Great Britain either has plans in the works for, or already has
implemented the Interception Modernisation Programme, which is
designed to carry out exactly the same tasks for the same reasons.
Same with Sweden, and there is absolutely no reason at all to think
that other countries did not do precisely the same thing years ago.
This equipment's been on the market for over a decade to whomever can
pay for it.

We are attempting to bootstrap a transnational social state, unbound
by political or geographic boundries, making use of and pushing the
envelope of bleeding edge technology, and functioning more or less in
parallel with everything else.  That is not only highly unusual, but
in a time of amazing paranoia and fear it is extremely suspicious.

By "amazing paranoia and fear," I refer to the following groups that
have been investigated (and occasionally infiltrated) because they are
considered potential terrorist threats: Vegan cooking classes in
California, the War Resisters League, Code Pink, the Rhode Island
Community Coalition for Peace, Food Not Bombs (which is de facto
illegal in Florida now), the People's Summit (held in 2008), the Free
Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition, a couple of pro-Palestinian organizers (I
have an interesting video squirreled away about that), the Critical
Mass Bike Ride, the New York sports club Extreme-Goers, anti-death
penalty groups in Maryland...

To think that we're not on someone's radar already is folly; we
already are whether or not the humans in the same orbit as the
technology are aware of it yet.

<waves to Ft. Meade>

If we don't start following through with our plans now, pretty soon it
won't matter.

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From virtualadept at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 06:43:14 2012
From: virtualadept at gmail.com (Bryce Lynch)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:43:14 -0400
Subject: [ZS] IMPORTANT: Delegation, decentralization, personal initiative
	& flying the ZS flag
Message-ID: <mailman.3654.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Dirk Bruere <dirk.bruere at gmail.com> wrote:

> Then it has got to be seriously dumbed down and reduced to (at most)
> two mouse clicks.

Here I have to politely disagree with you: By double-clicking on the
"Start Tor" icon not only was the Tor control panel started up, but a
fully configured instance of Tor and a fully configured and hardened
web browser ready for use.  That's hard to beat.

> If it's harder than installing a game it will not be used by most people.

What was the last game you installed?

People routinely go to much farther lengths to conceal their points of
origin just to access Etherpad or search for a .torrent file.  Much
farther lengths, and they're a lot more strict about maintaining their
OPSEC than most of us on this 'list are, I have a feeling.

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From jya at pipeline.com  Wed Aug  8 07:50:16 2012
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:50:16 -0400
Subject: [ZS] IMPORTANT: Delegation, decentralization, personal   
  initiative & flying the ZS flag
In-Reply-To: <20120808141034.GR12615@leitl.org>
References: <20120808141034.GR12615@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <E1Sz7ab-00023Y-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

>An increasing number of world powers (i.e., goverments) are deploying
>hardware at both the ISP and the national levels of communications
>infrastructure which are capable of monitoring the traffic of
>thousands of people in realtime, 24 hours a day, seven days a week,
>year 'round.

Wait a minute, wasn't this long ago established as the reason for the Internet,
extending the reasons for telecommunications?

And that spying by its orginators and operators built into it in such a
way that nothing could be done to stop the spying otherwise why would
governments allow it to happen, and not only that pump huge resources
into keeping it going.

The key to getting it adopted worldwide was to assure users that valiant
freedom loving coders could find ways to beat the system. Sure, a few
failures would occur, but in the long haul it could be made secure for
users, "trust us this will work."

Why look what came along: encryption, then anonymity, then lawsuits,
then leakers, then data haverns, then traffic hiders, then privacy policies,
then social media, then more lawsuits, then "Anonynmous", then clouds,
then campaigns to beat back governmental and commercial and criminal
and "Chinese" and "Iranian" and Stuxnet attacks on all these pitiful
initiatives.

While in the netherworld of Internet transactions the data gobblers were
feeding at levels well below what boom-fed security coders and hackers
could access. Except the few who welcomed the chance to feed at multi-levels
of illusory security.

Those who claim Internet security is impossible due to the way the
system was designed and operates feed paranoia just like governments
warn of enemies at the gates, knowing how bread is buttered.




From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  8 02:05:29 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:05:29 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform
Message-ID: <20120808090529.GV12615@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from morristan <morristan at tormail.org> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  8 02:50:54 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:50:54 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform
Message-ID: <20120808095054.GA12615@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Maxim Kammerer <mk at dee.su> -----


From brianc at smallworldnews.tv  Wed Aug  8 11:57:35 2012
From: brianc at smallworldnews.tv (Brian Conley)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:57:35 -0700
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <mailman.3655.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hi all,

I've been trying to decide how to weigh in on this thread, I'm sure some of
you are surprised its taken me this long to jump in.

That said, I'll keep this brief, because I'm going to write up more
detailed thoughts on a blog post that I'll share with the list.

The first issue I see is related to this succinct comment from Michael:

That's only speculation on my part, of course. But if it's right, it
> raises a difficult question: how do we maintain rigorous standards of
> critique within the information security community, without giving
> potential users of our tools the counterproductive impression that
> nothing works and you might as well give up?


The number one issue I see here is the culture of what i call "geek rage"
"fear mongering" and "black and white response"

First let me say I think this is *getting better*. However, it stands that
there are *many* privacy/security tools with fairly significant flaws. I'm
writing a security curriculum at the moment for a new mobile reporting app
that SWN is creating. In the process I've begun to see bevy of flaws in
tools that I myself misunderstood previously.

A few of these tools are Truecrypt, TextSecure, OTR clients, and of course
Cryptocat.

I think there is a lack of clarity about "safety" and "security" as well as
numerous other semantic problems with the way security experts, trainers,
and researchers present tools.

Truecrypt's issue with journaling filesystems is a flaw that many of the
members of the list are no doubt aware of. I however was not aware of this
serious issue. The Protektor Services and FrontlineDefenders Digital
Privacy manuals do not cover this issue, yet TrueCrypt is now  considered a
standard tool by most organizations doing training. I recently assisted an
"internet freedom" training on TrueCrypt, yet I was unaware, which means
even if the issue was covered(I am fairly certain it was not) it wasn't
covered well enough that I, a relatively knowledgeable user, picked up on
it.

Cryptocat's web interface as has been clearly described is only as secure
as SSL/TLS and the lack of a keylogger. However, the implication of this
discussion is that a MITM  attack or having my IP address is enough to
identify me. I am sure most of you don't believe this, however that is the
implication of your talk.

The primary issue comes down to the semantics and lack of clarity in
communications.

I think this could be solved by recruiting more people with strong writing
skills and a focus on training methodology, and perhaps starting to host
roundtables and dinners with the technologists in the group. I would love
to have been at dinner with Nadim Jacob et al. I think this could be solved
by creating an open consortium of technology researchers, trainers, and
practitioners.

Last point, I agree we are helped by a diversity of manuals, but a lack of
clear standards is frustrating. Furthermore, I'm certainly not satisfied
with the guides that exist, which is why I am still working on crafting new
manuals, however the curriculum I'm currently producing is essentially an
effort to edit and collate the best elements of the existing manuals. I
hope this will result in a hybrid that still answers a lot of needs, but
does it in a more user-friendly fashion.

Brian



On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Rogers <michael at briarproject.org>wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 07/08/12 06:19, frank at journalistsecurity.net wrote:
> > How many people on this list have spent time asking
> > non-technologists and other users who have tried, but have since
> > given up even trying to use tools like PGP? Or have examined how
> > new users interact with such tools? I have a great deal of respect
> > for this community. But to be honest it seems to me that neither
> > the technologists nor the donors have spent much time asking such
> > questions.
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> I'd just like to make an anecdotal point here. A few months ago I
> spent an interesting afternoon talking to some activists in the UK
> about what communication tools they use for what tasks.
>
> None of them regularly used PGP, Tor, or disk encryption software, but
> the reasons they gave had nothing to do with usability. They were
> aware of the tools and knew how to use them, but they didn't believe
> that doing so provided any practical security benefits. They believed
> that encryption software probably contained backdoors and could be
> defeated by keyloggers. They'd seen evidence trails from computers and
> phones produced in court, and rather than relying on technology to
> solve technology's problems, some of them preferred to avoid
> electronic communication altogether for secret work.
>
> It's tempting to say they were right and leave it at that. Keep your
> secrets away from your gadgets and your gadgets away from your
> secrets. But that wasn't what they were actually doing. They all
> carried phones, even though they knew they were being tracked and
> possibly bugged. They all had email accounts, and some of them used
> mailing lists and forums for planning, even though they knew that if a
> keylogger could get their encryption passwords it could get everything
> else they typed. Why the apparent inconsistency?
>
> One possible interpretation is that they were assessing encryption
> tools with a typical information security mindset: if there's any weak
> point, the adversary will exploit it, so the strong points are
> irrelevant. But they were assessing other techniques with a more
> balanced mindset: weigh up the risks and potential benefits, compare
> the available alternatives, and choose the best (or the least bad).
>
> That's only speculation on my part, of course. But if it's right, it
> raises a difficult question: how do we maintain rigorous standards of
> critique within the information security community, without giving
> potential users of our tools the counterproductive impression that
> nothing works and you might as well give up?
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  8 03:24:45 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:24:45 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Roger's status report, July 2012
Message-ID: <20120808102445.GD12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  8 03:28:47 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:28:47 +0200
Subject: Appeals Court OKs Warrantless Wiretapping
Message-ID: <20120808102847.GG12615@leitl.org>

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/08/appeals-court-oks-wiretapping/

Appeals Court OKs Warrantless Wiretapping

    By David Kravets 08.07.12 3:16 PM

Judge M. Margaret McKeown

The federal government may spy on Americansb communications without warrants
and without fear of being sued, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday in a
decision reversing the first and only case that successfully challenged
President George W. Bushbs once-secret Terrorist Surveillance Program.

bThis case effectively brings to an end the plaintiffsb ongoing attempts to
hold the executive branch responsible for intercepting telephone
conversations without judicial authorization,b a three-judge panel of the 9th
U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals wrote. (.pdf)

The case concerned a lower court decision in which two American attorneys b
who were working with the now-defunct al-Haramain Islamic Foundation b were
awarded more than $20,000 each in damages and their lawyers $2.5 million in
legal fees after a tortured legal battle where they proved they were spied on
without warrants.

They sued under domestic spying laws Congress adopted in the wake of
President Richard M. Nixonbs Watergate scandal. The government appealed their
victory, and the appeals court Tuesday dismissed the suit and the damages.

Jon Eisenberg, the lawyer for the two attorneys, said he may request the
court to reconsider its decision with a larger panel of judges, or petition
the Supreme Court.

bThis case was the only chance to litigate and hold anybody accountable for
the warrantless wiretapping program,b he said in a telephone interview. bAs
illegal as it was, it evaded accountability.b

Jon Eisenberg. Photo: Ryan Singel/Wired

The San Francisco-based appeals court ruled that when Congress wrote the law
regulating eavesdropping on Americans and spies, it never waived sovereign
immunity in the section prohibiting targeting Americans without warrants.
That means Congress did not allow for aggrieved Americans to sue the
government, even if their constitutional rights were violated by the United
States breaching its own wiretapping laws.

bUnder this scheme, Al-Haramain can bring a suit for damages against the
United States for use of the collected information, but cannot bring suit
against the government for collection of the information itself,b Judge M.
Margaret McKeown wrote for the majority. She was joined by Judge Michael Daly
Hawkins and Judge Harry Pregerson. bAlthough such a structure may seem
anomalous and even unfair, the policy judgment is one for Congress, not the
courts.b

The court, during oral arguments in June, expressed concern that it may reach
this result.

Judge Hawkins, during those arguments, noted that the law spells out that
those who were illegally spied upon may seek monetary damages. But if
Congress did not intend for the government to be sued, bit would make the
remedy illusory,b Hawkins said.

The court did not comment on the spying allegations of those involved in the
case. It also dismissed claims against FBI Director Robert Mueller, saying
there was not enough evidence linking him to the spy program the Bush
administration adopted in the wake of the 2001 terror attacks.

Subsequently, Congress authorized Bushbs spy program in 2008, five years
after the illegal wiretapping involved in this case.

The Bush spy program was first disclosed by The New York Times in December
2005, and the government subsequently admitted that the National Security
Agency was eavesdropping on Americansb telephone calls without warrants if
the government believed the person on the other end was overseas and
associated with terrorism. The government also secretly enlisted the help of
major U.S. telecoms, including AT&T, to spy on Americansb phone and internet
communications without getting warrants as required by the 1978 Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act, the law at the center of the al-Haramain
dispute.

A lower court judge found in 2010 that two American lawyersb telephone
conversations with their clients in Saudi Arabia were siphoned to the
National Security Agency without warrants. The allegations were initially
based on a classified document the government accidentally mailed to the
former al-Haramain Islamic Foundation lawyers Wendell Belew and Asim Ghafoor.

The document was later declared a state secret, removed from the long-running
lawsuit and has never been made public. With that document ruled out as
evidence, the lawyers instead cited a bevy of circumstantial evidence that a
trial judge concluded showed the government illegally wiretapped the lawyers
as they spoke on U.S. soil to Saudi Arabia.

The other major case challenging the wiretapping program, the Electronic
Frontier Foundationbs case against the government, alleges a wholesale
vacuuming of Americansb communications. That case was sent back to a district
court after it survived an appeals court ruling in December.  David Kravets

David Kravets is a senior staff writer for Wired.com and founder of the fake
news site TheYellowDailyNews.com. He's a dad of two boys and has been a
reporter since the manual typewriter days.




From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  8 03:31:31 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:31:31 +0200
Subject: Black Market Drug Site 'Silk Road' Booming: $22 Million In
  Annual 	Sales
Message-ID: <20120808103131.GH12615@leitl.org>

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/08/06/black-market-drug-site-silk-road-booming-22-million-in-annual-mostly-illegal-sales/print/

Black Market Drug Site 'Silk Road' Booming: $22 Million In Annual Sales

In the year since Senator Joe Manchin called for the baudaciousb drug-selling
website Silk Road to be bshut down immediately,b the worldbs most
high-profile underground pharmacy hasnbt just survived. With $22 million in
annual sales and around double the commission for the sitebs owners compared
with just six months ago, its black market business is booming.

In a research paper (PDF here) released earlier this month, Carnegie Mellon
computer security professor Nicolas Christin has taken a crack at measuring
the sales activity on Silk Roadbs underground online marketplace, which runs
as a bhidden serviceb on the Tor network and uses tough-to-trace digital
Bitcoins as currency, two measures that have helped to obscure its sellers,
buyers and operators from law enforcement.

His findings: the sitebs number of sellers, who offer everything from cocaine
to ecstasy, has jumped from around 300 in February to more than 550. Its
total sales now add up to around $1.9 million a month. And its operators
generate more than $6,000 a day in commissions for themselves, compared with
around $2,500 in February.

Christin cautions that his study only looks at a six month period of Silk
Roadbs sales, and that a big part of the sitebs measured success comes from
appreciation in the highly volatile Bitcoin currency Silk Road trades in,
which has itself increased close to 70% in value over the course of
Christinbs study. But even accounting for changes in that crypto currency,
the sitebs numbers point to very real growth. bItbs very bursty and spikey,
but overall the numbers are moving up,b says Christin. bItbs a stable
marketplace, and overall itbs growing steadily.b

Silk Road's revenue over time. (Click to enlarge.)

To dig up Silk Roadbs sales numbers, Christin ran a program that crawled the
site and scraped its content, including sales and pricing information, about
once a day for a six month period. He used the feedback reviews posted to
sellersb pages to count sales and calculated the site operatorsb revenue
based first on their 6.23% commission, and then later using the tiered model
with higher commissions that the site switched to in the middle of the period
he studied. The results, with both commission models, are shown at right.

What surprised Christin most was the high level of customer satisfaction:
97.8% of customers gave sellers positive reviews, despite the fact that Silk
Roadbs use of Torbs IP-masking abilities and Bitcoin makes it nearly
impossible for anyone who uses the site to identify anyone else. bOn a site
like Silk Road, whereb&most of the goods sold are illicit, one would expect a
certain amount of deception to occur. Indeed, a buyer choosing, for instance,
to purchase heroin from an anonymous seller would have very little recourse
if the goods promised are not delivered,b Christin writes. bSurprisingly,
though, most transactions on Silk Road seem to generate excellent feedback
from buyers.b

Silk Road's number of sellers over time. (Click to enlarge.)

Christin was also struck by the fact that Silk Road has managed to grow
steadily even with its complete lack of advertising. Despite requiring
visitors to run special software and know a long and impossible-to-remember
URL that doesnbt show up in Google results, it now generates roughly as much
revenue, comparing with numbers from another recent study, as illegal online
pharmacies that drum up sales with spam emails and black hat search engine
tricks. The site hasnbt had much of a public profile lately, either: After
some early notoriety from a Gawker story on the site last year and some
political attention to the sitebs criminal activities from Senator Chuck
Schumer and others, itbs mostly slipped off the media radar, says Christin

bIf you imagine them selling paperclips and buttons, theybre a stable
business thatbs growing without advertising or being in the news, just by
word of mouth,b says Christin. bThat was the surprising thing: How normal the
whole thing seems.b

The fact that it doesnbt sell paperclips and buttons, however, but rather
psilocybin and benzedrine, means that law enforcement likely still has Silk
Road in its sights. The business takes significant precautions: Tor masks
both the location of its servers and of its users by ricocheting Internet
traffic through proxies, and Bitcoin makes its payments difficult to trace by
avoiding traditional banks or payment companies. But users on the site have
worried in forum conversations recently that its operators may have been
infiltrated by law enforcement, and that several of its high-profile sellers
have disappeared.

Eight operators of another anonymous drug-sales site, the Farmerbs Market,
were indicted in April, possibly after the encrypted email service Hushmail
decrypted their communications and gave them to police.

According to the Farmerbs Market indictment, however, that site sold around
$1 million worth of illegal drugs between January of 2007 and October of
2009. With Silk Road generating close to twice that amount in a mere month,
its operation has reduced its recently-busted competitor to a street-corner
hustler by comparison.

Read Christinbs full paper on Silk Road here: http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.7139




From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  8 04:55:29 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:55:29 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform
Message-ID: <20120808115529.GM12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  8 07:10:34 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:10:34 +0200
Subject: [ZS] IMPORTANT: Delegation, decentralization, personal 
  initiative & flying the ZS flag
Message-ID: <20120808141034.GR12615@leitl.org>

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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:11:03 +0200
Subject: [ZS] IMPORTANT: Delegation, decentralization, personal 
  initiative & flying the ZS flag
Message-ID: <20120808141103.GS12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  8 08:47:04 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:47:04 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
Message-ID: <20120808154704.GY12615@leitl.org>

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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:20:33 +0200
Subject: Secrecy News -- 08/08/12
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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  8 12:33:22 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 21:33:22 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat
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From grarpamp at gmail.com  Sat Aug 11 00:39:27 2012
From: grarpamp at gmail.com (grarpamp)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:39:27 -0400
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform
Message-ID: <mailman.3656.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> expand the network instead of just using it as a proxy. Make everyone
> a relay (even if low-bandwidth relays are not useful, and even if
> there are theoretical issues b solve the issues instead) and have a
> hidden service address by default. Work with file sharing software
> developers to have a one-click setup of P2P sharing via Tor. Make an
> easy interface for publishing files or simple sites on user's .onion
> host.

This is where Phantom has a huge advantage over Tor... always on, native
IPv6 transport via tunnel interface. You don't have to create all sorts of
'only with Tor' hooked apps like come with I2P. All the software you use
today just works [1]. Just point OS, apache, games, azureus, etc into that
address space and you're done. And so long as you don't mind
src spoofing, extra setup, and some non-optimums here and there,
you can get that on Tor with onioncat today.

[1] You did IPv6 feature ticket your favorite IPv4 only app didn't you...

> Don't invent use cases, because users have their own (which you
> don't like and hence ignore) b facilitate network expansion which will
> actually bring in new use cases.

Torproject isn't inventing select cases, they're the only cases they
can publish.
And they do so for two reasons... 1) Attract funding 2) Attempt to stave
off legal action to shut it down... such standoff hopefully made possible
through big sticks doing the funding, and a verifiable subset of published
use cases.

There's nothing stopping anyone from forking Tor, throwing it up on
github and moving to an unfunded, unspoken development model to
do all these things.

People can even fork their own and specifically pimp it for drugs, guns,
contract killing and CP. It won't do them or Tor or either's users any
good though.
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From grarpamp at gmail.com  Sat Aug 11 01:11:44 2012
From: grarpamp at gmail.com (grarpamp)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 04:11:44 -0400
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform
Message-ID: <mailman.3657.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> Still, it is a little surprising they can't trace bitcoin yet, though.
> Maybe they can.

If you're using an anonet, a new address for every transaction, a
good mix that at least guarantees lack of per session taint, and
are willing to accept a random variance in your input and output BTC
amount and timing to prevent lining up the net totals, I don't think
anyone could. Part of it probably hinges on the overall coin flux
rate through commerce at scale too. I'm sure the answer is on
bitcointalk somewhere.

> I think my bet is also on Silk Road not surviving in the
> long run for that reason...

Good systems are usually stronger than human factors.
1BTC says SR screws up the real life parts first.
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From flyingkiwiguy at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 12:46:10 2012
From: flyingkiwiguy at gmail.com (Gary Mulder)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:46:10 +0100
Subject: [ZS] Gauss Cyber Espionage Threat Targets Banking Info
Message-ID: <mailman.3658.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Gauss joins the ranks of Stuxnet, Duqu, and Flame as an apparently
state-sponsored tool ofcyber espionage. This latest threat appears to
be built from the same code foundation as Flame, and specifically
targets bank credentials and financial data.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/260715/gauss_cyber_espionage_threat_targets_banking_info.html

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From ethiotor at gmail.com  Mon Aug 13 13:31:40 2012
From: ethiotor at gmail.com (ethio tor)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:31:40 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor virus
Message-ID: <mailman.3659.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

I am from Ethiopia. The problem faced by descendants in Ethiopia is many
fold. 90 million people, a brutal repressive government by any standard, a
single government owned ISP that has more  government spies  than actual
telecommunication workers, a very poor and limited mobile and data
infrastructure and sophisticated snooping (
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/ethiopia-introduces-deep-packet-inspection)
regime. Certainly tor could benefit many people if it could be used widely.
But with all the above problems how? And it just occurred to me!!

I am not a coder so I don't know if it is possible. I am not certain what
ethical questions it could raise or if it should at all under the above
circumstance.

Most of the PCs in the country are in government offices or given to
government workers. And most of this PCs are the only once that has a
relatively fast and free Internet access. Some thing that is common about
all this PCs is that most of them are full of virus and Trojan horses (some
say Chinese origin). Even state minsters offices. I am sure by now you are
guessing where I am going with this.

What if there is a tor "virus" (pardon for the choice of word) that can
infect such pc and make a relay, bridge, or what ever on the background
undetected.

I have a feeling that if it were a smart idea some one would have thought
of it but I could not sleep until I know how stupid an idea it is.
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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Aug 13 13:56:44 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:56:44 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor virus
Message-ID: <20120813205644.GB12615@leitl.org>

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From flyingkiwiguy at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 06:25:01 2012
From: flyingkiwiguy at gmail.com (Gary Mulder)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:25:01 +0100
Subject: [ZS] Bitcoin @ $1000 - unlikely any time soon
Message-ID: <mailman.3660.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Some pondering:

I've been thinking about the recent super-bull market in BTC. Let's assume
for a moment that BTC goes to $1000. That would mean with around 10M BTC
issued, the Bitcoin economy would be the $10B in size. That is a
very sizeable and noticeable event that governments would likely start to
take notice and act, similar to Wikileaks, Piratebay, etc. Remember,
Bitcoins compete directly against central banks' monopoly as a
currency issuer, which is the most powerful financial tool all governments
use manipulate their fiat currency and economies.

Any major governmental reaction and the resulting negative publicity and
loss of confidence would likely knock back the price of
BTC significantly. Therefore it is unlikely under the present governmental
and financial conditions that we'll ever see BTC at $1000, or at least not
for long. It is much more likely that the for either dying lack of interest
in Bitcoin or way too much of the wrong interest the price of BTC will
hover a bit above the marginal cost to mine BTC at best.

So what is the marginal cost of mining Bitcoin? At 50BTC per block mined it
was estimated to be $3-4 about 6 months ago, depending on the
local electricity costs of running GPUs. The difficulty has increased by
about 30%, and the rate of Bitcoin mining will halve to 25BTC/block in
about November 2012. I don't think fees make up any significant amount of
mining profits, yet. The major destabilising unknown is the marginal cost
of mining using FPGAs. It would be very interesting to determine the ratio
of GPU to FPGA miners. Let's however assume the worst case GPU costing, and
we get a marginal cost of around $8 to mine a BTC. This doesn't
include the capital costs of buying, maintaining, and housing the GPUs or
FPGAs. It looks like people are paying a 50% premium at the current price
of $12/BTC.

Your thoughts?

Gary

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From l at odewijk.nl  Tue Aug 14 07:02:44 2012
From: l at odewijk.nl (Lodewijk andri de la porte)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:02:44 +0200
Subject: [ZS] Bitcoin @ $1000 - unlikely any time soon
Message-ID: <mailman.3661.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

2012/8/14 Gary Mulder <flyingkiwiguy at gmail.com>

> Any major governmental reaction and the resulting negative publicity and
> loss of confidence would
>
Any publicity is good publicity. The more the US gov bashed on drug trading
with BTC the better it was. Same will go for "it is undermining
governmental authority and putting civilians at risk".

So what is the marginal cost of mining Bitcoin?
>
The cost is not marginal. The performance of the network exceeds even
SETI at Home. It is the largest distributed computing effort ever done by
end-users (supercomputernetworks for the LHC for example are still bigger).

It would seem you're taking this the wrong way around. If the Bitcoin rises
in value the mining increases with it. If there's money to be made with
mining it is done right away and thus the amount of money made is lowered.
On the other hand no miner will sell for underneath the mining cost. The
50% premium may well be the cost of running hardware at the current risk
assesment.

Nevertheless the cost of mining Bitcoin knows no upper bound. If Bitcoin
would break 1000$ mining will cost right around there. The two prices push
and pull eachother.

Be carefull not to confuse money theory with practical considerations or at
least do so conciously. GPU/FPGA/ASIC doesn't matter when we talk about
mining as we do now.

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug 14 09:07:21 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:07:21 +0200
Subject: [ZS] Bitcoin @ $1000 - unlikely any time soon
Message-ID: <20120814160721.GZ12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug 14 09:28:41 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:28:41 +0200
Subject: [ZS] Bitcoin @ $1000 - unlikely any time soon
Message-ID: <20120814162841.GA12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug 14 10:04:01 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:04:01 +0200
Subject: [ZS] Gauss Cyber Espionage Threat Targets Banking Info
Message-ID: <20120814170401.GD12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug 14 11:20:18 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:20:18 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform
Message-ID: <20120814182018.GL12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug 14 11:22:34 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:22:34 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform
Message-ID: <20120814182234.GM12615@leitl.org>

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From identity.function at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 11:45:19 2012
From: identity.function at gmail.com (Philipp Winter)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:45:19 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor virus
Message-ID: <mailman.3662.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:29:05AM +0200, HardKor wrote:
> Is it possible to connect to Tor from Ethiopia ? Is there any blocking
> strategy ?

The standard TBB does not work because Ethiopia is currently fingerprinting and
dropping both, the TLS client and server hello. More details are available here:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/OONI/censorshipwiki/CensorshipByCountry/Ethiopia

However, there are slightly modified bridges which can circumvent this block and
make Tor usable from within Ethiopia. (You'll get such a bridge by writing to
"help at rt.torproject.org".)

Philipp
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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug 14 12:12:51 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:12:51 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor virus
Message-ID: <20120814191251.GX12615@leitl.org>

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From liberationtech at lewman.us  Wed Aug 15 06:46:01 2012
From: liberationtech at lewman.us (liberationtech at lewman.us)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:46:01 -0400
Subject: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?
Message-ID: <mailman.3663.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 02:55:33PM +0800, crates at oneotaslopes.org wrote 14K bytes in 386 lines about:
: As far as I can tell, China doesn't "keyword-filter" in the sense most
: people think of that phrase. That is, the Great Firewall isn't inspecting
: all the text which flows through it, failing to deliver any web pages which
: have offending words. The filtering is of two main types:

China does lots of things in various ways. Best educated guesses as to why
this is so are around lack of coordination internally and they like to
try new things to see how much under- or over-blocking happens. What's
been interesting is that I ran an IPv6-only host for the past year
and queried all sorts of banned terms and known-blocked sites without
issue. It seems China only focuses on IPv4 right now. When Huawei,
Cisco, ZTE, and others have an IPv6 firewalling solution, I'm sure the
censorship will expand to include IPv6 as well.

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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug 15 07:34:28 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:34:28 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?
Message-ID: <20120815143428.GH12615@leitl.org>

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From joss-liberationtech at pseudonymity.net  Wed Aug 15 08:46:43 2012
From: joss-liberationtech at pseudonymity.net (Joss Wright)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:46:43 +0100
Subject: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?
Message-ID: <mailman.3664.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:46 AM, "Eric S Johnson" <crates at oneotaslopes.org> wrote:

> There are persistent reports that China?s cybercensorship can
> sometimes vary (a little) by ISP, but I?ve never seen this (I?ve only
> been to ~13 of the 34 PRC-defined provinces), and Alkasir hasn?t ever
> detected any such variations. 

I carried out a few experiments last year, looking at regional
variations in the responses of Chinese DNS servers for domains that had
been reported as blocked by Herdict. (Using a list of DNS servers pulled
from the APNIC WHOIS database.)

There are plenty of caveats to the approach I took: DNS server location
doesn't map reliably onto where the user is, DNS poisoning can occur at
border routers, DNS servers can return different responses to different
people, my methods for detecting poisoning were quite crude, etc.

Given all that, I found a lot of variation in the DNS responses across
China. I published a paper about it in FOCI'11 last year, but that
mainly focused on the ethical issues of censorship research:
http://static.usenix.org/events/foci11/tech/final_files/Wright.pdf 

There are some preliminary results and visualisations in this
presentation:
http://www.slideshare.net/josswright/finegrained-censorship-mapping

(Apologies for my terrible GIS skills...)

The approach was quite crude, but does support the hypothesis of
filtering being at least partially decentralised. (Which makes sense for
such a massive project.) 

I'm currently looking at quite a promising approach for a much more
interesting set of experiments based on IP scans rather than DNS. Watch
this space. :)

Joss
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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug 15 09:13:49 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:13:49 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?
Message-ID: <20120815161349.GL12615@leitl.org>

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From bbrewer at littledystopia.net  Wed Aug 15 16:00:53 2012
From: bbrewer at littledystopia.net (b. brewer)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:00:53 -0400
Subject: Fwd: [briar-devel] Foo security
In-Reply-To: <502BDE6E.2090902@briarproject.org>
References: <502BDE6E.2090902@briarproject.org>
Message-ID: <502C2A25.3020903@littledystopia.net>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [briar-devel] Foo security
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:37:50 +0100
From: Michael Rogers <michael at briarproject.org>
To: briar-devel at lists.sourceforge.net

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Hi all,

Recently I've been thinking about an idea I'll call foo security,
since I haven't thought of a better name. It's possible that someone
else has already thought of this idea, but if so, I don't know what
they called it.

Foo security is an attempt to rethink information security from a
usability perspective. It's defined as follows:

   A system is foo secure with respect to a user if the system's
   security properties match or exceed the user's beliefs about those
   properties.

A few strange things are apparent from this definition. First, foo
security is defined with respect to a user, so a system may be foo
secure for one user and foo insecure for another. Second, foo security
is defined with respect to a user's beliefs, so a system may become
foo secure or foo insecure due to a change in the user's beliefs, with
no change to the system. Third, a system that provides a security
property may be less foo secure than a system that doesn't, if the
user understands the latter system better than the former.

That last point is what led me to think about foo security. I wanted
to capture that fact that users change their behaviour based on their
beliefs about the systems they're using. If a user wrongly believes a
system to provide a stronger security property than it actually does,
she may be better off using a system that she knows does not provide
that property.

An example: BarChat is an unencrypted chat application. BazChat is an
encrypted chat application. BazChat's encryption can be defeated by
the chat server.

Alice believes that the conversations she has over BarChat can be read
by third parties. This belief is true, so BarChat is foo secure with
respect to Alice. Alice believes that the conversations she has over
BazChat cannot be read by any third party. This belief exceeds
reality, so BazChat is not foo secure with respect to Alice.

Later, Alice learns that the conversations she has over BazChat can be
read by a third party who controls the server. This belief is true, so
BazChat is now foo secure with respect to Alice, even though the
system itself hasn't changed.

I like this perspective because it suggests that we can improve the
security of systems we can't change, by improving the users'
understanding of the systems. In the case of systems we can change, we
might get a bigger improvement in foo security by changing the way
security properties are explained than by changing the properties
themseves. For example, we might improve a system's foo security by
using UI metaphors that suggest the actual security properties.

Cheers,
Michael
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 * Скидки с учетов постановления Президиума ВАС РФ от 07.02.2012 № 11637/11 - проблемы у покупателя.

 * НДС при уступке прав требования.

 * Ситуации, требующие раздельного учёта по НДС (при наличии облагаемых и необлагаемых операций, операций, при наличии ставки "0" %; и др.).

 * Исчисление и уплата НДС и вычеты у налогового агента с учетом определения Президиума ВАС РФ от 01.02.2012 г № ВАС-15483/11.

 * НДС при посреднических договорах.

3. НАЛОГ НА ИМУЩЕСТВО ОРГАНИЗАЦИЙ

 * Рекомендации по расчёту налоговой базы по налогу на имущество в сложных ситуациях: по построенным и приобретённым объектам недвижимости, по основным средствам, приобретённым по договору купли- продажи, в качестве вклада в уставный капитал, безвозмездно. Порядок расчёта и уплаты налога на имущество при создании и ликвидации обособленных подразделений.

 * Порядок уплаты налога по объектам недвижимости.

 * Зачёт налога на имущество, уплаченного за рубежом.

 * Порядок налогообложения имущества переданного в доверительное управление.

 * Расчет авансовых платежей по налогу на имущество.

 * Новая арбитражная практика (Решение ВАС РФ от 27.01.2012 № 16291/11; Информационное письмо ВАС РФ от 17.11.2011 г. № 148 "Обзор практики разрешения споров, связанных с применением главы 30 НК РФ").

Стоимость участия: 8 900 рублей

Информацию можно получить по телефонам: (495) 7Ч2_9I98 : +7 499 - 445.40/95
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From bicknell at ufp.org  Thu Aug 16 12:39:12 2012
From: bicknell at ufp.org (Leo Bicknell)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:39:12 -0700
Subject: Any Idea About Spectrum-DMR-104-1 ?!
Message-ID: <mailman.3665.1576008237.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

In a message written on Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:30:40PM +0430, Shahab Vahabzadeh wrote:
> Dear Owen,
> Thanks for your reply, in reply to your factors:
> 
> 1. 1~2 Kilometers
> 2. PTP
> 3. Directional
> 4. 29db Dish (single or dual)

I know someone already pointed you to the product, but that just
screams like what you want is the Ubiquity airFiber product.  You
should easily get near the max 1.4Gbps throughput at 1-2km if you
have clear line of site.  It's "plug and play", in that you should
have to do very mimimal tuning to get that performance.  Mostly
making sure the two units are aligned properly.

I've not gotten a quote myself, but the Internet forums suggest the 
gear is $3k for a single link (so two units).  Just to do high quality
801.11n with dish antennas would probably cost $1k or more.

The 24Ghz band they use should be worldwide license free (check with
your country) and also have less interference than the 5Ghz band.

http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber

-- 
       Leo Bicknell - bicknell at ufp.org - CCIE 3440
        PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/



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From brad.litchfield at eugene-law.com  Thu Aug 16 06:41:48 2012
From: brad.litchfield at eugene-law.com (=?koi8-r?B?IuzvIg==?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:41:48 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?8tXLz9fPxMnUxczAINDSz8XL1M/X?=
Message-ID: <01cd7bce$07536e00$bd6384b2@brad.litchfield>

                 
   Центр Подготовки Специалистов приглашает строителей на полезный  курс повышения квалификации:                Строительство и регистрация прав на линейные объекты.             
       
       Конференция пройдет в период с 3 по 4 сентября в Петербурге                  Краткая программа конференции:             1) Виды линейных объектов.  
      2) Оформление прав на земельные участки под строительство линейных объектов.
      3) Перевод земельных участков из категории в категорию в целях строительства, реконструкции и эксплуатации линейных объектов.
      4) Ограничение  прав на землю в связи со строительством, реконструкцией и эксплуатацией линейных объектов.
      5)   Экологические требования в связи с проектированием линейных объектов.
      6)  Использование недр при строительстве, реконструкции и эксплуатации линейных объектов.
      7) Новый порядок осуществления кадастровых работ по образованию земельных участков.
      8) Ответственность за нарушения законодательства при строительстве, реконструкции и эксплуатации линейных объектов.
                     Телефон  для записи на обучение и обращения за дополнительной информацией:                                 (812) 642-47-68                 
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 16 15:50:10 2012
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:50:10 -0400
Subject: Jim Bell Released from Prison
In-Reply-To: <E1SmBmA-0000ZT-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <E1SmBmA-0000ZT-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <SNT138-W25DE9CA5588AC76D7376C9BB50@phx.gbl>

And Julian, of course, is in the Ecuadorian Embassy.

One can only imagine the kind of pressure being brought to bear (bare? I
dunno) in the UK government that they would threaten (or pretend to threaten)
some sort of violation.

For that matter, why in hell did they even send token support into Iraq? The
only thing I can figure out is that they fear American consumers somehow. I
just can't imagine why the reasonably sensible British would seem to bow and
scrape to Amerikkkan pressure. With Assange, it's just a damned extradition
order to Sweden for God's sake. What the F is going on here? Are USA-ian TLA
bigshots taking Assange personally and calling in all and every favor?

Let me hereby officially proclaim (within the Cypherpunks Governance manual)
that Assange is a fuckin' rockstar. Yeah, you know every rockstar is in it for
the glory and chicks, but he's still a fuckin' rockstar.



> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 18:40:47 -0400
> To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
> From: jya at pipeline.com
> Subject: Jim Bell Released from Prison
>
> Jim was released March 12, 2012:
>
>
http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Transaction=NameSearch&needingMo
reList=false&FirstName=james&Middle=dalton&LastName=bell&Race=U&Sex=U&Age=&x=
77&y=28Bell%27s
>
> Taken from a long article on Bitcoin in IEEE Spectrum, June 2012, which
> credits 1992 cypherpunks for Bitcoin foundation:
>
>
http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/bitcoin-the-cryptoanarchists-answ
er-to-cash/0




From billing at alltimehost.biz  Thu Aug 16 08:53:14 2012
From: billing at alltimehost.biz (=?koi8-r?B?IiDy1cvP18/EydTFzNggyc7Gz9LNwcPJz87Oz8fPIMPFztTSwSI=?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:53:14 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?8sXHydPU0sHDydEg0NLB1yDOwSDMyc7Fys7ZxSDPwt/Fy9TZ?=
Message-ID: <01cd7be0$63bf8900$f0cee09f@billing>

                 
   Центр Подготовки Специалистов приглашает строителей на полезный  курс повышения квалификации:                Строительство и регистрация прав на линейные объекты.             
       
       Конференция пройдет в период с 3 по 4 сентября в Петербурге                  Краткая программа конференции:             1) Виды линейных объектов.  
      2) Оформление прав на земельные участки под строительство линейных объектов.
      3) Перевод земельных участков из категории в категорию в целях строительства, реконструкции и эксплуатации линейных объектов.
      4) Ограничение  прав на землю в связи со строительством, реконструкцией и эксплуатацией линейных объектов.
      5)   Экологические требования в связи с проектированием линейных объектов.
      6)  Использование недр при строительстве, реконструкции и эксплуатации линейных объектов.
      7) Новый порядок осуществления кадастровых работ по образованию земельных участков.
      8) Ответственность за нарушения законодательства при строительстве, реконструкции и эксплуатации линейных объектов.
                     Телефон  для записи на обучение и обращения за дополнительной информацией:                                 (812) 642-47-68                 
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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Aug 16 13:15:56 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:15:56 +0200
Subject: Any Idea About Spectrum-DMR-104-1 ?!
Message-ID: <20120816201556.GF12615@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Leo Bicknell <bicknell at ufp.org> -----


From blindaj at blindaj.by  Thu Aug 16 06:52:34 2012
From: blindaj at blindaj.by (=?koi8-r?B?9NLBztPGxdLUzs/FIMPFzs/PwtLB2s/Xwc7JxQ==?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:52:34 +0900
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?68/O1NLPzNggzsHMz8fP18nLz9cg0M8g1NLBztPGxdLUztnNIMPFzsHN?=
Message-ID: <000d01cd7bb6$639e8590$6400a8c0@blindaj>

 27 августа 2012г.

&quot;Ликбез &quot; для налогоплательщика и &quot;как жить дальше &quot;. Трансфертное ценообразование: новый порядок контроля с 2012 г. Способы ухода от контроля за сделками

\Моск. код/ 742\9I/98 \\\/// код (495) - 7/42/91*98

Цель:

С 1 января 2012 года НК РФ дополнен новым разделом V.1, посвященным контролю цен сделок. Семинар посвящен подробному рассмотрению произошедших в этой сфере изменений и практическим рекомендациям налогоплательщикам по адаптации к ним (подготовка защитной документации, избежание взаимозависимости и контроля сделок, снижение риска претензий). Рассматриваются новые обязанности, права и ответственность налогоплательщиков, новый вид проверок √ "проверка полноты исчисления и уплаты налогов в связи с совершением сделок между взаимозависимыми лицами", способы обоснования трансфертных цен в различных сделках.

Вместе с тем, рассматриваются и законные способы ухода от обременительного контроля за ценами сделок по новому законодательству, его пробелы и противоречия, перспективы новых поправок в НК РФ.

Программа:

1. Контролируемые сделки, что изменилось:
 * сделки между взаимозависимыми лицами;
 * сделки в области внешней торговли биржевыми товарами;
 * сделки с офшорами;

2. Когда сделки не признаются контролируемыми и как избежать контроля. Методика расчета минимальной суммы для признания внутрироссийских сделок контролируемыми.

3. Взаимозависимые лица, новый перечень оснований взаимозависимости, ее косвенные признаки. Установление взаимозависимости "по иным основаниям" в рамках судебного разбирательства. Способы ухода от взаимозависимости. Использование номинальных учредителей и директоров компаний, ИП. Кто может быть номиналом? Номиналы-нерезиденты: юридические и физические лица. Траст: номиналы по закону, а не "по понятиям". Как защититься от номинала: юридические и экономические способы. Простое товарищество с физлицом-номиналом?

4. Новые обязанности и права налогоплательщиков, совершающих контролируемые сделки:

 * определение перечня контролируемых сделок, форма и сроки подачи;

 * подача документации по трансфертным ценам;

 * добровольные корректировки цен.

5. Новый вид налоговых проверок √ "проверка полноты исчисления и уплаты налогов в связи с совершением сделок между взаимозависимыми лицами". Случаи освобождения от ответственности.

6.Методы определения соответствия цен сделки рыночным:

 * сопоставимые рыночные цены √ где их найти. Расчет интервала рыночных цен;

 * сопоставимые сделки √ как доказать сопоставимость. Методика корректировки;

 * открытые источники информации √ что это;

 * анализа уровня рентабельности √ как найти сопоставимые компании. Расчет интервала рентабельности;

 * метод распределения прибыли √ реально ли применение на практике?;

6. Международная практика применения методов ценообразования (ОЭСР, США).

7. Способы защиты прав и интересов налогоплательщика:

 * соглашение о ценообразовании: порядок определения цен и порядок применения методов ценообразования в контролируемых сделках. Насколько это реально?;

 * симметричные корректировки: потенциальные проблемы в применении;

 * консолидированная группа налогоплательщиков: далекое будущее?

8. Что конкретно должно быть сделано сейчас для успешной адаптации к новым правилам:

 * анализ соответствия применяемых цен и существующей методики ценообразования требованиям НК;

 * что изменить в договорах;

 * разработка типовой документации для обоснования цен.

9. Примеры подходов к исследованию трансфертных цен по разным видам деятельности.

10.Ответы на вопросы.

Стоимость участия: 9 000 рублей

Вся информация по тел: 8 (Ч95) 792*2I*22 ; \Моск. код/ 7922I22

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From anks at sgcm.com  Thu Aug 16 07:07:33 2012
From: anks at sgcm.com (=?koi8-r?B?IuvV0tMgIu7P18/FINcg2sHLz87PxMHUxczY09TXxSDy5iDXIM/CzA==?= =?koi8-r?B?wdPUySDT1NLPydTFzNjT1NfBIOzvIiI=?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:07:33 +0900
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?9MXIzsnexdPLz83VINLVy8/Xz8TJ1MXMwA==?=
Message-ID: <01cd7c03$ead22880$b31f65de@anks>

                 
   Центр Подготовки Специалистов приглашает строителей на полезный  курс повышения квалификации:                Строительство и регистрация прав на линейные объекты.             
       
       Конференция пройдет в период с 3 по 4 сентября в Петербурге                  Краткая программа конференции:             1) Виды линейных объектов.  
      2) Оформление прав на земельные участки под строительство линейных объектов.
      3) Перевод земельных участков из категории в категорию в целях строительства, реконструкции и эксплуатации линейных объектов.
      4) Ограничение  прав на землю в связи со строительством, реконструкцией и эксплуатацией линейных объектов.
      5)   Экологические требования в связи с проектированием линейных объектов.
      6)  Использование недр при строительстве, реконструкции и эксплуатации линейных объектов.
      7) Новый порядок осуществления кадастровых работ по образованию земельных участков.
      8) Ответственность за нарушения законодательства при строительстве, реконструкции и эксплуатации линейных объектов.
                     Телефон  для записи на обучение и обращения за дополнительной информацией:                                 (812) 642-47-68                 
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From bruno89 at pmouse.ru  Thu Aug 16 22:03:01 2012
From: bruno89 at pmouse.ru (=?koi8-r?B?7uTzINXQzMHUwSA=?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:03:01 +0200
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?7sHMz8fPz8LMz9bFzsnFIO7k8yDSwcLP1CAo1dPM1ccpLA==?=
Message-ID: <000d01cd7c2d$31e2c490$6400a8c0@bruno89>

   24 августа

Применение нулевой ставки НДС с учетом изменений, внесенных в НК РФ  в 2012 году. НДС при осуществлении внешнеторговых операций с учетом изменений, внесенных в НК РФ в 2012 году. Перспективы 2013 года.

Курс читает - Ведущий советник Отдела косвенных налогов Департамента налоговой и таможенно-тарифной политики Минфина России

код (495) - 7.42.9I*98 или +7 (495)- 7Ч291/98

Внимание!
Ваши вопросы! которые Вы будете присылать включаются в программу. Программа будет скорректирована по мере поступления вопросов от участников курса.

Программа:

1. Порядок определения налоговой базы по НДС. Момент определения налоговой базы при реализации товаров (работ, услуг), имущественных прав.

2. Применение НДС при поставках товаров на экспорт. Налогообложение НДС работ (услуг), предусмотренных подпунктами 2.1-2.8, 3 пункта 1 статьи 164 НК (в том числе, услуги по международной перевозке, услуги по предоставлению вагонов и контейнеров, транспортно-экспедиционные услуги, услуги по перевалке и хранению товаров в портах, услуги по переработке товаров (документы, обосновывающие применение нулевой ставки НДС и требования к ним; срок представления документов; момент определения налоговой базы).

3. Особенности применения НДС при выполнении работ (оказании услуг), облагаемых по ставке НДС 0%, в том числе работ (услуг), связанных с международной перевозкой

4. Порядок подтверждения обоснованности применения ставки НДС 0%.

5. Применение налоговых вычетов, в том числе при осуществлении операций, подлежащих налогообложению по ставке НДС 0%.

6. Определение места реализации работ (услуг) в целях применения НДС.

7. Исполнение обязанности налогового агента по НДС.

8. Особенности применения НДС при заключении договоров в иностранной валюте.

9. Счета-фактуры, книга покупок, книга продаж, декларация по НДС.

10. Исчисление НДС при осуществлении посреднических операций по реализации и приобретению товаров (по договорам комиссии, поручения и т.д.)

11. Особенности применения НДС при осуществлении внешнеторговых операций в рамках Таможенного союза.

12. НДС при ввозе товаров на территорию Российской Федерации (определение налоговой базы, уплата НДС в зависимости от избранной таможенной процедуры, вычет уплаченных сумм налога).

Стоимость участия: 9 000 рублей

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From macavity at well.com  Fri Aug 17 02:06:57 2012
From: macavity at well.com (Will Morton)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:06:57 +0100
Subject: Jim Bell Released from Prison
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  <SNT138-W25DE9CA5588AC76D7376C9BB50@phx.gbl>
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On 16 August 2012 23:50, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> For that matter, why in hell did they even send token support into Iraq? The
> only thing I can figure out is that they fear American consumers somehow.
>

A mixture of the crypto-papist* Blair getting his holy crusade
antennae tickled by Dubya, and plain old keeping the big bully on your
side. You never know if there's another Falklands around the corner -
or another Suez!

Regarding the current Ecuador excitement... the populace here in the
UK is very much behind Assange, although this is purely  love of an
heroic underdog rather than his politics. Still, not bad for an aspie
:-)

W

* http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7157409.stm




From bleyd777 at lasercomponents.ru  Thu Aug 16 19:23:49 2012
From: bleyd777 at lasercomponents.ru (=?koi8-r?B?88zP1s7ZxSDXz9DSz9PZIM/U3sXUzs/T1Mk=?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:23:49 +0800
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?7sHMz8cgzsEg0NLJwtnM2CwgIO7k8yDJIM7BzM/HIM7BIMnN1d3F09TX?=
	=?koi8-r?B?zy4g6drNxc7FzsnRINcgMjAxMiDHz8TVLg==?=
Message-ID: <000d01cd7c1f$563ed080$6400a8c0@bleyd777>

   24 августа 2012 г.

Налог на прибыль,  НДС и налог на имущество. Изменения в 2012 году. Сложные вопросы отчетности

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Программа:

1. НАЛОГ НА ПРИБЫЛЬ - ПРАКТИЧЕСКИЕ ВОПРОСЫ С УЧЕТОМ ПОЗИЦИИ ВАС РФ И РАЗЪЯСНЕНИЙ МИНФИНА РОССИИ

 * Доходы от реализации товаров, работ и услуг отражаем своевременно (в том числе объектов недвижимости с учетом постановления Президиума ВАС РФ от 08.11.2011 г. ╧ 15726/10) и правильно оцениваем с учетом валюты расчетов, скидок и иных корректировок; возврат товаров в налоговом учете с учетом ст. 54 НК РФ и разъяснений Минфина России (письма от 23.03.2012 ╧ 03-07-11/79; от 16.06.2011 г. ╧ 03-03-06/1/351 и др).
 
 * Порядок определения доходов по производству с длительным циклом.

 * Особенности налогового учета стоимости приобретения МПЗ, основных средств, нематериальных активов, товаров для перепродажи.

 * Расходы, связанные с реализацией: дата признания в соответствии со статьей 272 НК РФ; виды расходов, подлежащих распределению, налоговые риски при сокращении перечня прямых расходов по сравнению с перечнем таких расходов в бухгалтерском учете.

 * Экономическое обоснование расходов; расходы, с которыми согласно арбитражной практике связаны налоговые риски: маркетинговые, консультационные, юридические услуги, возвратный лизинг, представительские расходы, услуги по управлению компанией, аутсорсинг, и др.

 * Амортизируемое имущество: амортизация основных средств и нематериальных активов; капитальный ремонт и реконструкция - принципиальные отличия; арендные платежи по договорам, составленным с нарушением требований ГК РФ (позиция судов и налоговых органов) амортизация после увеличения стоимости в разъяснениях Минфина России- безопасный вариант; капитальные вложения в арендованные основные средства; расходы на ликвидацию основных средств и нематериальных активов- учитываем по правилам бухгалтерского учета.

 * Прочие расходы: командировочные, представительские, рекламные расходы на охрану труда и создание условий труда на производстве; расходы на питьевую воду с учетом письма Минфина России от 25.05.2012 г. ╧ 03-03-06/1/274.

 * Проценты по долговым обязательствам: есть ли риски по беспроцентным займам и у какой стороны договора? Начислять или не начислять доходы (расходы) в виде процентов по договорам, предусматривающим уплату процентов одновременно или после возврата долга (постановления Президиума ВАС РФ от 24.11.2009 г. ╧ 11200/09; от 07.06.2011 г. ╧ 17586/10; постановление ФАС Московского округа от 21.05.2012 г. ╧ А41-20291/11 и др.)? Как применять положения статьи 269 НК РФ при использовании метода сопоставимости долговых обязательств с учетом постановления Президиума ВАС РФ от 17.01.2012 ╧ 9898/11; как определить предельную величину процентов по займам, выраженным в иностранной валюте, но полученным в рублях?

 * Курсовые разницы с учетом постановления Президиума ВАС РФ от29.05.2012 г. ╧ 16335/11; суммовые разницы - возникают ли они при предоплате письма Минфина России от 13.02.2012 ╧ 03-03-06/1/83; пени, штрафы неустойки за нарушение условий договоров; безвозмездная передача имущества и имущественных прав (выполнение работ, оказания услуг): налоговые последствия для передающей и принимающей стороны.

 * Налогообложение дивидендов. Ответственность общества за несвоевременную выплату дивидендов.

 * Налоговый учет взносов участников (акционеров) в целях увеличения чистых активов.

 * Убытки учитываемые и не учитываемые для целей налогообложения прибыли - безнадежные долги в соответствии с п.2 ст.266 НК РФ; от уступки прав требования; от списания финансовых вложений; перенос убытков на будущее.

 * Исправление ошибок в налоговом учете.

 * Порядок уплаты налога организациями, имеющими обособленные подразделения.

 * Декларация по налогу на прибыль за 9 месяцев 2012 года.

2. НАЛОГ НА ДОБАВЛЕННУЮ СТОИМОСТЬ - ПРАКТИЧЕСКИЕ ВОПРОСЫ ПРИМЕНЕНИЯ В 2012 ГОДУ

 * Вопросы применения постановления Правительства РФ от 26.12.2011 г. ╧ 1137 "О формах и правилах заполнения (ведения) документов, применяемых при расчетах по НДС":

 * счета-фактуры - недостатки, не препятствующие вычетам; ситуации, при которых составляются корректировочные счета-фактуры, и ситуации, при которых выписанный ранее счет-фактура исправляется путем заполнения нового бланка; счета-фактуры при определении цены в у.е; счета-фактуры при недостаче, браке и возврате товаров; в каких случаях полученные счета-фактуры не регистрируются в книге покупок?

 * проблемы восстановления НДС по основным средствам, используемым частично для осуществления операций, облагаемых по ставке "0"%.

 * Определение момента начисления НДС в различных хозяйственных ситуациях, понятия "отгрузка" и "оплата"( в том числе в неденежной форме) в разъяснениях Минфина России и ФНС России; начисление и вычеты НДС по авансам;восстановление НДС по авансам у покупателя с учетом определения ВАС РФ от 22.05.2012 ╧ ВАС-5972/12.

 * Вычеты при отсутствии налоговой базы - позиция ФНС России √ вычет возможен (письмо от 28.02.2012 г. ╧ ЕД-3-3/631.

 * Скидки с учетов постановления Президиума ВАС РФ от 07.02.2012 ╧ 11637/11 - проблемы у покупателя.

 * НДС при уступке прав требования.

 * Ситуации, требующие раздельного учёта по НДС (при наличии облагаемых и необлагаемых операций, операций, при наличии ставки "0" %; и др.).

 * Исчисление и уплата НДС и вычеты у налогового агента с учетом определения Президиума ВАС РФ от 01.02.2012 г ╧ ВАС-15483/11.

 * НДС при посреднических договорах.

3. НАЛОГ НА ИМУЩЕСТВО ОРГАНИЗАЦИЙ

 * Рекомендации по расчёту налоговой базы по налогу на имущество в сложных ситуациях: по построенным и приобретённым объектам недвижимости, по основным средствам, приобретённым по договору купли- продажи, в качестве вклада в уставный капитал, безвозмездно. Порядок расчёта и уплаты налога на имущество при создании и ликвидации обособленных подразделений.

 * Порядок уплаты налога по объектам недвижимости.

 * Зачёт налога на имущество, уплаченного за рубежом.

 * Порядок налогообложения имущества переданного в доверительное управление.

 * Расчет авансовых платежей по налогу на имущество.

 * Новая арбитражная практика (Решение ВАС РФ от 27.01.2012 ╧ 16291/11; Информационное письмо ВАС РФ от 17.11.2011 г. ╧ 148 "Обзор практики разрешения споров, связанных с применением главы 30 НК РФ").

Стоимость участия: 8 900 рублей

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From g.edu at k.is  Fri Aug 17 04:24:33 2012
From: g.edu at k.is (=?koi8-r?B?+sHLz87O2cUgwczY1MXSzsHUydfZ?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:24:33 +0100
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?7sHMz8fP18/FINDMwc7J0s/Xwc7JxSDXIMvSydrJ0w==?=
Message-ID: <43FBEA7A7E70412DB0B6F6031D32A630@xpsp2eb13ef0e5>

     28 августа 2012г.

Налоговое планирование: как жить без обналички и фирм-однодневок и не разориться, уход от "черных" и "серых" схем, оптимизация налогов с использованием законных альтернативных схем

+7 499 Ч45*40-95 или код (499) - ЧЧ5*4095

Цель:

Глобальный экономический кризис привел в том числе к ужесточению налоговой политики государства, повышению ставок налогов и активизации борьбы за их собираемость. В современных условиях использование таких традиционных способов псевдооптимизации, как обналичка и фирмы-однодневки становится более опасным, дорогим и малодоступным.

Помочь компаниям, применяющим "серые" и "черные" схемы оптимизации налогов, уйти от них, и при этом не разориться, не уступить конкурентам, не уйти с рынка. Найти законные альтернативы таким схемам, платить налоги, но не переплачивать – вот основная идея налогового планирования без "помоек" и "черного нала".

Программа:

1. Договоримся о терминах: что такое "черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы, обналичка, фирма-однодневка ("помойка", "недобросовестный" или "проблемный" налогоплательщик, "фонарь" и т.п.). Как выявить внешнего контрагента-однодневку и исключить отношения с ним.

2. Обналичивание. Для чего используется:

 * "черная" зарплата и доходы собственников бизнеса;

 * оплата расходов, которые не хочется проводить официально;

 * незаконная деятельность (взятки, откаты, финансирование политической деятельности…).

3. Законные альтернативы обналичиванию (только для законных целей!):

 * в каком случае выплата зарплаты на спецрежимах сохраняет свою актуальность;

 * дивиденды от компаний на спецрежимах или от компании-нерезидента;

 * предприниматель (ИП) – как использовать;

 * дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве ИП – легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Новый порядок ведения кассовой операций ЦБР. Получение наличных по чеку, через личные (карточные и иные) счета, по сделкам с другими ИП, занимающимися розницей, общепитом, услугами населению и т.п. Выбор банков, ограничения;

 * зарплата в большом размере – льготная (в некоторых случаях – нулевая) ставка страховых взносов;

 * платежи от нерезидентов на карты, основания платежей.

 * Однодневки. Для чего используются:

 * псевдооптимизация НДС и налога на прибыль в отдельных сделках или всей деятельности;

 * "серый импорт";

 * "серая конвертация";

 * незаконная деятельность.

4. "Серые" (полулегальные) альтернативы: как нельзя "оптимизировать"! Фирмы-"прокладки", контактирующие с недобросовестными налогоплательщиками ("белая" - "серая" - "черная" фирмы). Краткий обзор других "серых" альтернатив.

5. Законные альтернативы однодневкам (только для законных целей!):

 * выявление (создание) покупателей (заказчиков), не нуждающихся в вычете НДС, разделение доходов и расходов "с НДС" и "без НДС";

 * затратные механизмы или трансфертное ценообразование с участием низконалоговых субъектов;

 * прямой импорт с использованием или не использованием трансфертных цен и затратных механизмов;

 * выплата нерезидентам дивидендов, роялти, процентов, вклады в их уставные капиталы, покупка акций, инвестиции и т.п.

6. Расчет налоговой нагрузки на примере. Каковы будут (и будут ли) потери при отказе от "черных" схем. Когда при этом можно даже сэкономить.

7. Как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать налоги с учетом  изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменения. Обзор изменений налогового законодательства, их влияние на налоговые схемы. Ответы на вопросы. По желанию и возможности  – индивидуальное экспресс-моделирование налоговых схем для компаний-участниц курса.

Стоимость участия:  9 000 рублей

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From bryanite_palatist at kontursoft.ru  Thu Aug 16 23:29:17 2012
From: bryanite_palatist at kontursoft.ru (=?koi8-r?B?7sHMz8fJIM7BIOvJ0NLF?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:29:17 +0700
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?6+/u5unk5e7j6eHs+O7v8/T4IO7hIOvp8PLl?=
Message-ID: <048BAFF0062F4DECAE7D35F0845AE861@1068E7ECA2AA26>

 28 августа 2012 г.

ОФФШОРНЫЙ БИЗНЕС:  КИПР ДО И ПОСЛЕ РАТИФИКАЦИИ ПРОТОКОЛА. ДЕТАЛЬНЫЙ АНАЛИЗ И ПРАКТИКА ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИЯ.  (Налоги на Кипре – не пересекая грань между оптимизаций и уклонением. Схемы с использованием Кипрских компаний)

код (495) - 7*42-91\98 или код (495) - 7.Ч2\91-98

Цель:

Для участия мы приглашаем как слушателей, уже использующих кипрские компании в своей работе, так и тех, кто только планирует воспользоваться данным инструментом налогового планирования, конфиденциальности и защиты активов.

Содержание семинара можно разделить на блоки:

 * последствия ратификации Протокола к соглашению об избежании двойного налогообложения между РФ и Кипром;

 * практика использования и сопровождения кипрских компаний;

 * пути применения Кипра в налоговом планировании;

 * налогообложение на Кипре (с детальным рассмотрением НДС).

По мнению автора, ратификация Протокола не приведет к массовой реструктуризации или отказам от налоговых решений с использованием Кипра, поскольку данный Протокол лишь "перетасовывает" сложившиеся принципы работы. Во многих случаях оптимальным решением будет "косметическая" коррекция договорных отношений и хозяйственных операций, которой будет уделено особое внимание в рамках данного семинара.

Тщательного рассмотрения  заслуживает налоговое законодательство Кипра и его "пересечение" с российским в налоговых решениях. Например, в уставной капитал кипрских компаний можно вложить не только денежные средства, но и акции российских компаний. Налоговые последствия при этом и методика оценки вклада в натуральной форме вызывают особенно много вопросов слушателей.

При использовании кипрских компаний многие сталкиваются с проблемами в виде непредвиденных налоговых обязательств, штрафов и пеней, возникающих из-за незнания тонкостей и особенностей налоговой системы ЕС и Кипра, эволюционирующей столь же стремительно, как и российская. В рамках данного семинара будут рассмотрены детали налоговой системы Кипра, при этом особое внимание будет уделено НДС – наиболее сложному налогу, который регулируется не только местным законодательством, но и многочисленными европейскими директивами.

Не менее важны технические вопросы использования кипрских компаний. К сожалению, на практике взаимодействие с администратором, или регистрационным агентом, часто сопряжено с большим количеством трудностей, выливающимся в противостояние владельца компании и неторопливых кипрских юристов. Также многие сталкиваются с непрозрачностью ценообразования на отдельные услуги, особенно на аудит и номинальный сервис. Данный семинар поможет Вам оптимизировать свои отношения с администратором, и определить: за что, кому и когда Вы должны платить при использовании кипрских компаний.

Особенностью данного семинара является практическая направленность и отсутствие лишних теоретических и исторических отступлений. Семинар строится в форме интерактивного практического занятия при постоянном взаимодействии с аудиторией с разбором большого количества примеров и подробным описанием налоговых, финансовых и правовых последствий или рисков.

Программа:

НАЛОГИ НА КИПРЕ – НЕ ПЕРЕСЕКАЯ ГРАНЬ МЕЖДУ ОПТИМИЗАЦИЙ И УКЛОНЕНИЕМ

 * Налог на прибыль (Corporate Income Tax); предварительный налог на прибыль (Preliminary Tax); налог на оборону (Special Defence Contribution); налог на прирост капитала (Capital Gains Tax) и т.д.

 * Пути минимизации налоговых отчислений на Кипре: практические примеры и анализ ошибок

 * Налогообложение операций с ценными бумагами: пределы освобождения

 * Налоговый календарь на 2012 год: сдача отчетностей, оплата налогов и сборов

 * Изменения кипрского законодательства 2012 и тенденции 2013

 * Ратификация Протокола к Соглашению между РФ и Кипром: кто понесет убытки, а кому удастся на этом заработать?

 * Как не попасть в "петлю" негативных нововведений Протокола?

НДС ПРИ ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИИ КИПРСКИХ КОМПАНИЙ

 * Когда нужно получать номер НДС (VAT number) и можно ли это сделать в другой стране ЕС?

 * Применение механизма “reverse charge”

 * Анализ основных европейских директив на предмет определения места оказания услуг (“the place of supply”)

 * Обложение НДС услуг, оказанных через интернет (“electronically supplied services”)

 * Сложные случаи экспорта-импорта: когда возникает НДС?

 * Налоговые последствия по НДС при совершении трехсторонних сделок в ЕС (triangular operations)

 * НДС и роялти, консалтинг, маркетинг – всегда ли можно принять к вычету всю сумму входящего НДС?

СХЕМЫ С ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИЕМ КИПРСКИХ КОМПАНИЙ

 * Владение недвижимостью с использованием кипрских компаний

 * Займы: анализ правил тонкой капитализации и прочих ограничений (ст.269 НК РФ), риски и примеры ошибок

 * Роялти: риски, оптимальная величина размеров выплат, НДС, экономическое и документальное обоснование (“substance”)

 * Операции с ценными бумагами и векселями

 * ЗПИФы – применимы ли после ратификации Протокола?

 * Построение комплексной действующей холдинговой структуры и дивиденды

 * Схемы коллективных инвестиций и инвестиционные фонды на Кипре

РАБОТА С АДМИНИСТРАТОРОМ (АГЕНТОМ) И АУДИТОРОМ КИПРСКОЙ КОМПАНИИ

 * Наличие представительства администратора в Москве: преимущество или недостаток?

 * Как не дать администратору и аудитору обмануть Вас? Примеры и рекомендации

 * За что кипрские администраторы деньги брать не должны?

 * Переход к другому администратору: "подводные камни"

 * Принципы ценообразования аудиторских услуг и пути минимизации их стоимости

 * Вправе ли кипрский аудитор одновременно проверять и вести отечность?

 * Анализ среднерыночных цен и сроков оказания услуг: оцените своего администратора.

РЕАЛЬНЫЙ ОФИС НА КИПРЕ

 * Сравнение "виртуального" и реального офисов

 * Случаи, когда реальное присутствие на Кипре необходимо

 * Инструменты создания видимости контроля компании с территории Кипра

 * Наем персонала в кипрскую компанию: налоговые и практические вопросы

НОМИНАЛЬНЫЙ СЕРВИС И КОНФИДЕНЦИАЛЬНОСТЬ

 * Документы, регламентирующие возникающие отношения: на что следует обратить внимание?

 * Раскрытие информации в связи с ратификацией Протокола

 * Полномочия номинальных директоров и акционеров: где границы и кем они устанавливаются?

 * Что делать, если номинальный директор отказывается подписывать документы?

БАНКОВСКИЕ СЧЕТА

 * Анализ надежности кипрских банков на фоне ухудшения ситуации в ЕС

 * Пути снятия средств со счета кипрского банка в России

 * Раскрытие банковской тайны – факты и выводы

 * Тарифы популярных кипрский и прибалтийских банков. Использование SEPA.

 * Выплаты зарплаты путем выпуска карт к счетам в кипрских банках

Стоимость участия:  9 000 рублей

По вопpоcам pегucтаpацuu обpащайтеcь по тел: 8 (499) 445.40_95 <<>> 8 (499) ЧЧ54095
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From fzqoz at leader-hr.ru  Thu Aug 16 23:33:07 2012
From: fzqoz at leader-hr.ru (=?koi8-r?B?7sHMz8fP19nKIMvPztPVzNjUwc7U?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:33:07 +0700
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Message-ID: <000d01cd7c42$29e63190$6400a8c0@fzqoz>

 28 августа 2012 г.

ОФФШОРНЫЙ БИЗНЕС:  КИПР ДО И ПОСЛЕ РАТИФИКАЦИИ ПРОТОКОЛА. ДЕТАЛЬНЫЙ АНАЛИЗ И ПРАКТИКА ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИЯ.  (Налоги на Кипре √ не пересекая грань между оптимизаций и уклонением. Схемы с использованием Кипрских компаний)

+7 (495)- 74291-98 или +7 499 ЧЧ5Ч.095

Цель:

Для участия мы приглашаем как слушателей, уже использующих кипрские компании в своей работе, так и тех, кто только планирует воспользоваться данным инструментом налогового планирования, конфиденциальности и защиты активов.

Содержание семинара можно разделить на блоки:

 * последствия ратификации Протокола к соглашению об избежании двойного налогообложения между РФ и Кипром;

 * практика использования и сопровождения кипрских компаний;

 * пути применения Кипра в налоговом планировании;

 * налогообложение на Кипре (с детальным рассмотрением НДС).

По мнению автора, ратификация Протокола не приведет к массовой реструктуризации или отказам от налоговых решений с использованием Кипра, поскольку данный Протокол лишь "перетасовывает" сложившиеся принципы работы. Во многих случаях оптимальным решением будет "косметическая" коррекция договорных отношений и хозяйственных операций, которой будет уделено особое внимание в рамках данного семинара.

Тщательного рассмотрения  заслуживает налоговое законодательство Кипра и его "пересечение" с российским в налоговых решениях. Например, в уставной капитал кипрских компаний можно вложить не только денежные средства, но и акции российских компаний. Налоговые последствия при этом и методика оценки вклада в натуральной форме вызывают особенно много вопросов слушателей.

При использовании кипрских компаний многие сталкиваются с проблемами в виде непредвиденных налоговых обязательств, штрафов и пеней, возникающих из-за незнания тонкостей и особенностей налоговой системы ЕС и Кипра, эволюционирующей столь же стремительно, как и российская. В рамках данного семинара будут рассмотрены детали налоговой системы Кипра, при этом особое внимание будет уделено НДС √ наиболее сложному налогу, который регулируется не только местным законодательством, но и многочисленными европейскими директивами.

Не менее важны технические вопросы использования кипрских компаний. К сожалению, на практике взаимодействие с администратором, или регистрационным агентом, часто сопряжено с большим количеством трудностей, выливающимся в противостояние владельца компании и неторопливых кипрских юристов. Также многие сталкиваются с непрозрачностью ценообразования на отдельные услуги, особенно на аудит и номинальный сервис. Данный семинар поможет Вам оптимизировать свои отношения с администратором, и определить: за что, кому и когда Вы должны платить при использовании кипрских компаний.

Особенностью данного семинара является практическая направленность и отсутствие лишних теоретических и исторических отступлений. Семинар строится в форме интерактивного практического занятия при постоянном взаимодействии с аудиторией с разбором большого количества примеров и подробным описанием налоговых, финансовых и правовых последствий или рисков.

Программа:

НАЛОГИ НА КИПРЕ √ НЕ ПЕРЕСЕКАЯ ГРАНЬ МЕЖДУ ОПТИМИЗАЦИЙ И УКЛОНЕНИЕМ

 * Налог на прибыль (Corporate Income Tax); предварительный налог на прибыль (Preliminary Tax); налог на оборону (Special Defence Contribution); налог на прирост капитала (Capital Gains Tax) и т.д.

 * Пути минимизации налоговых отчислений на Кипре: практические примеры и анализ ошибок

 * Налогообложение операций с ценными бумагами: пределы освобождения

 * Налоговый календарь на 2012 год: сдача отчетностей, оплата налогов и сборов

 * Изменения кипрского законодательства 2012 и тенденции 2013

 * Ратификация Протокола к Соглашению между РФ и Кипром: кто понесет убытки, а кому удастся на этом заработать?

 * Как не попасть в "петлю" негативных нововведений Протокола?

НДС ПРИ ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИИ КИПРСКИХ КОМПАНИЙ

 * Когда нужно получать номер НДС (VAT number) и можно ли это сделать в другой стране ЕС?

 * Применение механизма ⌠reverse charge■

 * Анализ основных европейских директив на предмет определения места оказания услуг (⌠the place of supply■)

 * Обложение НДС услуг, оказанных через интернет (⌠electronically supplied services■)

 * Сложные случаи экспорта-импорта: когда возникает НДС?

 * Налоговые последствия по НДС при совершении трехсторонних сделок в ЕС (triangular operations)

 * НДС и роялти, консалтинг, маркетинг √ всегда ли можно принять к вычету всю сумму входящего НДС?

СХЕМЫ С ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИЕМ КИПРСКИХ КОМПАНИЙ

 * Владение недвижимостью с использованием кипрских компаний

 * Займы: анализ правил тонкой капитализации и прочих ограничений (ст.269 НК РФ), риски и примеры ошибок

 * Роялти: риски, оптимальная величина размеров выплат, НДС, экономическое и документальное обоснование (⌠substance■)

 * Операции с ценными бумагами и векселями

 * ЗПИФы √ применимы ли после ратификации Протокола?

 * Построение комплексной действующей холдинговой структуры и дивиденды

 * Схемы коллективных инвестиций и инвестиционные фонды на Кипре

РАБОТА С АДМИНИСТРАТОРОМ (АГЕНТОМ) И АУДИТОРОМ КИПРСКОЙ КОМПАНИИ

 * Наличие представительства администратора в Москве: преимущество или недостаток?

 * Как не дать администратору и аудитору обмануть Вас? Примеры и рекомендации

 * За что кипрские администраторы деньги брать не должны?

 * Переход к другому администратору: "подводные камни"

 * Принципы ценообразования аудиторских услуг и пути минимизации их стоимости

 * Вправе ли кипрский аудитор одновременно проверять и вести отечность?

 * Анализ среднерыночных цен и сроков оказания услуг: оцените своего администратора.

РЕАЛЬНЫЙ ОФИС НА КИПРЕ

 * Сравнение "виртуального" и реального офисов

 * Случаи, когда реальное присутствие на Кипре необходимо

 * Инструменты создания видимости контроля компании с территории Кипра

 * Наем персонала в кипрскую компанию: налоговые и практические вопросы

НОМИНАЛЬНЫЙ СЕРВИС И КОНФИДЕНЦИАЛЬНОСТЬ

 * Документы, регламентирующие возникающие отношения: на что следует обратить внимание?

 * Раскрытие информации в связи с ратификацией Протокола

 * Полномочия номинальных директоров и акционеров: где границы и кем они устанавливаются?

 * Что делать, если номинальный директор отказывается подписывать документы?

БАНКОВСКИЕ СЧЕТА

 * Анализ надежности кипрских банков на фоне ухудшения ситуации в ЕС

 * Пути снятия средств со счета кипрского банка в России

 * Раскрытие банковской тайны √ факты и выводы

 * Тарифы популярных кипрский и прибалтийских банков. Использование SEPA.

 * Выплаты зарплаты путем выпуска карт к счетам в кипрских банках

Стоимость участия:  9 000 рублей

Информацию можно получить по телефонам: +7 (код Москвы) 79221-22 : 8 (499) 4454095
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From bstjohnt at karnegi.ru  Fri Aug 17 07:37:07 2012
From: bstjohnt at karnegi.ru (=?koi8-r?B?7s/X2cog2sHLz84gzyDC1cjV3sXUxQ==?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:37:07 +0200
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   28 августа 2012 г.

Новый закон "О бухгалтерском учете"

(Ч95) 792-2I22 : код (495) - 7\Ч2/9I.98

Цель:

Новый закон "О бухгалтерском учете" вступает в силу с 2013 года. Подготовка к применению требований закона займет  много времени, поэтому начинать освоение новых норм нужно заранее. Минфин РФ спланировал разработку основных нормативных документов по бухгалтерскому учету и внедрение в России МСФО до 2015 года. Разберемся в  новых правилах, которые уже приняты и к тех, принятие которых – дело ближайшего будущего.

Программа:
1. Правовой контекст, в котором будет действовать новый закон "О бухгалтерском учете": глобальная реформа бухучета, ее стратегия и направления в ближайшем будущем; рост значения бухгалтерского учета; сближение бухгалтерского и налогового учетов за счет грядущих изменений в НК РФ.

2. Сфера применения закона:

  * Отмена освобождения от ведения учета плательщиков УСН с 2013 года, постановка учета "упрощенцами", возможности упростить бухучет и сблизить его с налоговым.

  * Обязательно ли ведение бухучета самозанятыми гражданами (ИП, адвокатами, учредившими адвокатские кабинеты, нотариусами и иными лицами, занимающимися частной практикой) с 2013 года?

  * Филиалы и представительства иностранных компаний – обязанности по ведению бухучета по российским стандартам в качестве вспомогательного с 2013 года.

3. Объекты бухгалтерского учета: новые доминанты. Обязательный учет всех фактов хозяйственной жизни (в том числе, при недостаточности информации и отсутствии первичных документов): как это сделать практически? Денежное измерение объектов бухгалтерского учета (сравним подход с правилами оценки в налоговом учете).

4. Организация ведения бухучета на предприятии. Бухгалтерская служба или аутсорсинг? Может ли руководитель совмещать должность главбуха по новому закону? Каковы новые требования к главному бухгалтеру или аутсорсеру (образование, стаж работы и т.п.)? Новые критерии повышения квалификации бухгалтеров.

5. Новые грани ответственности главного бухгалтера. Новые риски аутсорсера в связи законом № 402-ФЗ.

6. Закон о бухгалтерском документообороте:

  * Первичная документация по-новому. Готовимся к вступлению нового закона в силу заранее. Возможен ли отказ от унифицированных форм первичной документации и в какой степени он оправдан на практике? Обязательна ли печать на первичных документах? Возможности использования факсимильной подписи на первичном документе в 2013 году. Возможности внедрения и развития электронного документооборота.

  * Новые требования к учетным регистрам.

  * Бухгалтерская отчетность по-новому. Состав отчетности. Требование нового законодательства по адаптации форм отчетности для нужд организации, рекомендации по такой адаптации. Новые адреса и периодичность представления отчетности с 2013 года. Когда согласно новому закону бухгалтерская отчетность считается составленной? Новые правила публикации отчетности с 2013 года.

  * Правила хранения бухгалтерской документации на основании закона.

7. Требование закона к организации внутреннего контроля совершаемых фактов хозяйственной жизни, а также ведения бухгалтерского учета и составления бухгалтерской (финансовой) отчетности. Как составить процедуры контроля и реализовать их?


Стоимость участия:  8 900 рублей

Информацию можно получить по телефонам: +7 499 ЧЧ54.О95 <> 8 (495) 792/2I\22
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From btmpig4use at cosmetol.ru  Fri Aug 17 20:43:48 2012
From: btmpig4use at cosmetol.ru (=?koi8-r?B?5s/S1c0g1yDz7/7pLeLy6fogU1BB?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:43:48 -0800
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   21-24 августа 2012 г.

СОЧИ, В ОТЕЛЕ "СОЧИ-БРИЗ SPA" Настоящее и будущее государственных и муниципальных закупок: 94-ФЗ, ФКС (Федеральная контрактная система), 223-ФЗ

код (499) -  4Ч5*4О95 \\\/// 8 (495) 7922122

Программа:

21 августа 2012г. √ заезд, рабочая встреча участников семинара с организаторами и лекторами

22 августа 2012г. 10.00-13.00 СРАВНЕНИЕ ОСНОВНЫХ ПОЛОЖЕНИЙ ПРОЕКТА ЗАКОНА "О ФЕДЕРАЛЬНОЙ КОНТРАКТНОЙ СИСТЕМЕ" И 94-ФЗ.

 * Федеральная контрактная система: основные отличия от действующего порядка организации

 * Закупок;

 * Закупки бюджетных учреждений: способы, специфика, ограничения; управление контрактами;

 * Общественный контроль;

 * Планирование в ФКС;

 * Нормирование;

 * Обоснование НМЦК (начальной (максимальной) цены контракта): обоснованность закупок и установление минимальных требований;

 * Новые правила выбора способа закупки по ФКС;

 * Свобода заказчика по выбору способа размещения заказа;

 * Совместные закупки;

 * Объем закупок у СМП;

 * Описание объектов закупки;

 * Требования к участникам;

 * Отклонение заявки с демпинговой ценой;

 * Обеспечение заявок при проведении торгов;

 * Обеспечение исполнения контракта.

22 августа 2012г. 14.00-16.00 ЗАКОНОДАТЕЛЬСТВО О ЗАКУПКАХ ТОВАРОВ, РАБОТ И УСЛУГ ОТДЕЛЬНЫМИ ВИДАМИ ЮРИДИЧЕСКИХ ЛИЦ В РЕДАКЦИИ 223-ФЗ.

    ПОШАГОВЫЙ АЛГОРИТМ ДЕЙСТВИЙ ЗАКАЗЧИКА (ОРГАНИЗАТОРА ТОРГОВ):

 * Составление Плана закупок товаров, работ и услуг. Содержание: обязательные и не обязательные компоненты;

 * Разработка и утверждение Положения "О закупке". Готовые решения для организаций от  ЭТП  "ФАБРИКАНТ";

 * Информационная прозрачность закупок. Готовые решения для организаторов торгов: "Доска  объявлений" и "Регистрация" на сайте www.fabrikant.ru,  как способ не нарушить требования 223-ФЗ;

 * Перечень документов размещаемых на сайтах организаций- заказчиков;

 * Порядок работы с Официальным сайтом закупок РФ начиная с 01 июля 2012г.;

 * Порядок получения и использования ЭЦП (электронно-цифровой подписи) - ╧63-ФЗ от 06.04.12.

 * Проблемные вопросы работы с Официальным сайтом закупок РФ- механизмы защиты интересов  заказчиков;

 * Формирование Извещения о проведении торгов: содержание, выбор видов и форм торгов;

 * Внесение изменений в Извещение, Положение, закупочную документацию;

 * Изменения, вносимые в договор, цену, сроки закупочных процедур;

ПРИМЕНЕНИЕ ЭЛЕКТРОННЫХ ТОРГОВ ПО 223-ФЗ. ТОВАРЫ, РАБОТЫ И УСЛУГИ, ЗАКУПАЕМЫЕ С ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИЕМ РЕСУРСОВ ЭЛЕКТРОННЫХ ТОРГОВЫХ СИСТЕМ (ПЛОЩАДОК):

 * Постановление Правительства РФ от 21 Июня 2012 г. N 616 "Об утверждении перечня товаров, работ и услуг, закупка которых осуществляется в электронной форме".

 * Перечень товаров, работ и услуг, закупаемых в электронной форме;

 * Преимущества проведения электронных торгов- технические возможности  ЭТП "ФАБРИКАНТ", как удобного инструмента для работы заказчиков и поставщиков;

 * Корректировка разработанного положения "О закупке". Внедрение торгов в электронной форме в собственные положения "О закупке";

ВИДЫ И ФОРМЫ ЭЛЕКТРОННЫХ ТОРГОВ: ЗАПРОСЫ, АУКЦИОНЫ, КОНКУРСЫ

 * запросы предложений в форме ПДО покупателя;

 * запросы котировок цен  покупателя;

 * аукционы  покупателя на понижение цены;

 * конкурсы покупателя;

КВАЛИФИКАЦИОННЫЕ И ИНЫЕ ТРЕБОВАНИЯ К УЧАСТНИКАМ ТОРГОВ:

 * Практические рекомендации для организаторов торгов;

 * Практические рекомендации для участников торгов;

ПРИВЛЕКАТЕЛЬНОСТЬ РЫНКА ТОРГОВ ПО 223-ФЗ ДЛЯ ОРГАНИЗАЦИЙ- ПРОИЗВОДИТЕЛЕЙ, ПОСТАВЩИКОВ ТОВАРОВ, РАБОТ И УСЛУГ, ПОДРЯДЧИКОВ:

 * Объем рынка торгов РФ по 223-ФЗ,  в сравнении с госзаказом и коммерческими (корпоративными) тендерами;

 * Упрощенная система оповещения о новых тендерах со стороны площадки, оповещение о проведении торгов со стороны заказчика;

 * Обзор тарифов

23 августа  2012г. 10.00-13.00  СЛОЖНЫЕ ВОПРОСЫ ПРАКТИКИ ПРИМЕНЕНИЯ ЗАКОНОДАТЕЛЬСТВА О ГОСЗАКУПКАХ.  ОТВЕТСТВЕННОСТЬ ЗАКАЗЧИКОВ И ПОСТАВЩИКОВ.

 * Особенности проведения процедур (конкурс): вес критериев оценки заявок (предложений); критерии оценки заявок (предложений);

 * Особенности проведения процедур (электронный аукцион);

 * Особенности проведения процедур (запрос котировок);

 * Особенности закупки у единственного источника;

 * Комиссии по размещению заказов / по осуществлению закупок;

 * Контрактная служба заказчика;

 * Изменение и расторжение контракта;

 * Информационное обеспечение;

 * Ответственность в ФКС и 94-ФЗ;

 * Реестр недобросовестных заказчиков;

 * Типовые контракты

23 августа  14.00-16.00 ПРАКТИКА УЧЕБНЫХ ТОРГОВ В СООТВЕТСТВИИ С 223-ФЗ  НА ЭЛЕКТРОННОЙ ТОРГОВОЙ ПЛОЩАДКЕ "ФАБРИКАНТ".

 * Заключение договоров по результатам торгов;

 * Ответы на вопросы слушателей

24 августа 2012г. 10.00-13.00 ПРАКТИЧЕСКИЙ ТРЕНИНГ ПО РАБОТЕ С ОФИЦИАЛЬНЫМ САЙТОМ ЗАКУПОК РФ И УЧЕБНЫМ ЭЛЕКТРОННЫМ АУКЦИОНОМ НА БАЗЕ АККРЕДИТОВАННОЙ ПЛОЩАДКИ  ООО "РТС-тендер"
 
 * Регистрация на общероссийском сайте РФ о размещении заказов;

 * Аккредитация участников торгов на площадке;

 * Формирование извещений, размещение извещения о проведении открытого аукциона в электронной форме;

 * Поиск информации о торгах на ОС, площадке "РТС-тендер";

 * Запросы на разъяснения положений документации;

 * Порядок отмены электронного аукциона;

 * Внесение изменений в документацию и извещение;

 * Формирование заявки на участие в аукционе;

 * Рассмотрение 1-х частей заявок;

 * Участие в тестовых торгах, снижение цены контракта;

 * Формирование протокола проведения электронного аукциона;

 * Рассмотрение 2-х частей заявок;

 * Подписание контракта;

 * Ответы на вопросы слушателей

24 августа 2012г. 14.00-16.00 ПОРЯДОК ДЕЙСТВИЙ КОММЕРЧЕСКИХ ОРГАНИЗАЦИЙ - ПРОИЗВОДИТЕЛЕЙ, ПОСТАВЩИКОВ ТОВАРОВ, РАБОТ И УСЛУГ, ПОДРЯДЧИКОВ, ДЛЯ  РАБОТЫ ПО НОРМАМ 223-ФЗ НА ЭТП "ФАБРИКАНТ"

 * Кто может стать поставщиком (подрядчиком) по нормам 223-ФЗ;

 * Требования Законодательства РФ, предъявляемые к участникам торгов;

 * Порядок регистрации в системе электронных торгов;

РАБОТА В ЛИЧНОМ КАБИНЕТЕ ПОСТАВЩИКА:

 * Заполнение Информационной карты;

 * Формирование заявки на участие в торгах (предложения);

 * Как выиграть в тендерах. Алгоритм формирования "победных" предложений;

ПРАКТИКА УЧЕБНЫХ ТОРГОВ НА ЭЛЕКТРОННОЙ ТОРГОВОЙ ПЛОЩАДКЕ "ФАБРИКАНТ". ДЕЛОВАЯ ИГРА В РЕЖИМЕ РЕАЛЬНОГО ВРЕМЕНИ!

 * Заключение договоров по результатам торгов;

 * Ответы на вопросы слушателей;

Стоимость участия: 19 900 16 рублей

Вся информация по тел: 8 Моск. код: 792.2I22 или +7 495 7Ч2/91\98
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From bt872 at systematika.ru  Fri Aug 17 16:25:30 2012
From: bt872 at systematika.ru (=?koi8-r?B?7sHMz8fP18/FINDMwc7J0s/Xwc7JxQ==?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:25:30 -0300
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   29-30 августа

Налоговое планирование с учетом изменений законодательства – лучшие белые схемы

+7 (495)- 7Ч291*98 ; 8 (495) 792.2I_22

Цель:

Ставка обязательных страховых взносов (СВ) с зарплаты с 2012 года составляет 30% почти для всех плательщиков (включая субъектов УСН и ЕНВД). При формальном снижении нагрузки по зарплате многих сотрудников фактически выплаты возрастут: если раньше с больших зарплат СВ не уплачивались, то теперь их ставка составит 10% с суммы дохода свыше 512 тыс. рублей в год. Если вспомнить про 13% НДФЛ и НДС, который тоже косвенно является налогом на зарплату, то многие предприниматели и руководители видят только один путь – назад, к "черным" схемам. 

Есть возможность посещения любого одного дня: программа разбита на два логических блока, каждый из которых занимает один день. Рекомендуется посещение обоих дней. 

Первый день посвящен поиску путей выживания компаний при условии легальности всех выплат доходов физическим лицам. Участники узнают, как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать "зарплатные" налоги с учетом изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменительной практики. Кроме того, рассматриваются общие для всех налоговых схем условия и принципы применения – такие как наличие деловых целей, отсутствие аффилированности и фиктивных сделок, грамотное оформление.

Второй день посвящен изучению основных практических методов оптимизации налога на прибыль и (в той степени, в которой это возможно) НДС в торговых (оптовых и розничных) и производственных предприятиях, предприятиях, оказывающих услуги или выполняющих работы, в т.ч. строительные. Рассматриваются субъекты льготного налогообложения, способы переноса на них налогооблагаемой базы и пути безналогового рефинансирования (возврата) выведенных сумм. Участники получат краткие индивидуальные консультации по тематике курса.

Программа:

1 день: Налоговое планирование по страховым взносам и НДФЛ в 2012 г. с учетом изменений законодательства

1. Понятие и принципы налогового планирования: платить налоги, но не переплачивать. "Черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы. Классификация методов оптимизации налогообложения доходов физических лиц. Обзор изменений законодательства по страховым взносам на 2012-13 гг., как они повлияли на налоговые схемы.

2. Использование специальных налоговых режимов:

 * в каком случае выплата зарплаты на спецрежимах сохраняет актуальность;

 * дивидендные схемы – замена выплаты зарплате на "упрощенке"? Нюансы, рекомендации. Выплата квартальных дивидендов ежемесячно частями. Выплаты из прибыли в АО, ООО, производственном кооперативе ("народном предприятии"). Расчет эффективности,

 * договоры с предпринимателем: возмездного оказания услуг, выполнения работ, агентский, транспортные услуги, механизм трансфертных цен, штрафные санкции, аренда и пр. Способы минимизации рисков имущественной ответственности предпринимателя. Расчет эффективности,

 * дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве предпринимателя: легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Выбор банков, проблемы, связанные с новым порядком ведения кассовых операций.

3. Условия применения всех схем: Непритворный характер заключаемых сделок. Экономическая целесообразность расходов ("деловая цель", "легенда", отсутствие дублирующихся функций). Грамотное обоснование цен и качественное документальное оформление расходов. Неаффилированность, прямые и косвенные признаки аффилированности, ее негативные последствия и когда она допустима; "искусственное дробление бизнеса с целью уклонения от уплаты налогов" (подход "как к ЮКОСу"); "деловые цели", обосновывающие деление бизнеса. Самостоятельность низконалоговых субъектов. 
4. Использование вспомогательных организаций:

 *  "инвалидные" организации и их филиалы, актуальность;

 * страховые компании. Долгосрочное накопительное страхование жизни работников и ДМС за счет предприятия.

5. Использование иностранных (низконалоговых) компаний. Корпоративные или личные пластиковые карты иностранных банков. Перевод на них или на карты российских банков зарплат, компенсаций, гонораров и иных легальных доходов от нерезидентов.

6. Как компенсировать снижение социальных гарантий (включая пенсионные накопления) работников при применении налоговых схем, не предусматривающих выплату зарплаты?

7. Использование процентных займов от физлиц. Расчет эффективности. Потребительский кредитный кооператив граждан – способ получения безналогового дохода в виде процентов.

8. Специальные методы. Все виды компенсаций (за несвоевременную выплату заработной платы, за использование личного имущества, за разъездной характер работы, "золотые парашюты" и др.). Выплата арендной платы. Закуп у физлиц ТМЦ. Суточные. Обучение сотрудников с заключением ученического договора, как способ налогового планирования.

9. Потребительское кредитование, компенсация процентов по ипотечным кредитам и другие эффективные способы замены заработной платы безналоговыми источниками материальной выгоды.

10. Способы подтверждения источников крупных расходов физлиц и когда это необходимо.

2 день: Оптимизация налога на прибыль. Затратные механизмы в налоговых схемах

1. Методы планирования налога на прибыль и НДС. Принципиальная невозможность экономии НДС "белыми" схемами и случаи, когда это все же возможно.

2. Низконалоговые субъекты:

 * субъекты специальных налоговых режимов – ЕНВД и УСН, в т.ч. патентная система, субъекты УСН из "низконалоговых" регионов, где введена минимальная ставка единого налога при объекте "доходы минус расходы" (5%) на все или почти на все виды деятельности, а также простое товарищество с их участием,

 * оффшоры или связанные с ними компании-нерезиденты из респектабельных юрисдикций,

 * экзотические варианты: ИП на общей системе, физлица (при условии несистематичности извлечения дохода), "инвалидные" структуры, убыточные предприятия и фирмы, имеющие переплату НДС,

3. Незаконные варианты: "недобросовестные налогоплательщики" и контактирующие с ними риск-структуры ("белая" - "серая" - "черная" фирмы). Примеры "серых" схем с применением затратных механизмов (как нельзя "оптимизировать"!). Как не стать "недобросовестным".

4. Способы переноса налогооблагаемой базы по налогу на прибыль на низконалоговых субъектов:

 * нефиктивные услуги, работы,

 * выплата процентов по долговым обязательствам. Включение процентов в расходы в любом размере,

 * платежи за использование и обслуживание объектов основных средств и нематериальных активов, в т.ч. лицензионные и франчайзинговые,

 * штрафные санкции, возмещение убытков, включая демередж и прочий простой,

 * платежи за увеличенный срок и/или объем гарантийных обязательств,

 * плата за залог или поручительство, делькредере.

 * механизм трансфертных цен. Новое антитрансфертное законодательство, способы ухода от контроля за сделками, грамотное обоснование трансфертных цен,

5. Займы как способ возвратного рефинансирования – преимущества и недостатки, риск ведения незаконной банковской деятельности. Безналоговое рефинансирование (возврат) и капитализация выведенной прибыли предприятия (холдинга) через уставный капитал, безвозмездную передачу имущества, увеличение чистых активов, ст. 27 Закона "Об ООО".

6. Простое товарищество субъектов упрощенной системы налогообложения, в т.ч. из "низконалоговых" регионов. Уплата НДС. Перенос прибыли товарищества на низконалоговых субъектов (УСН 6%, ЕНВД, оффшор и др.). Отсрочка уплаты налога при непередаче прибыли на счета товарищей. Возможен ли обход с помощью простого товарищества правил налогового учета (гл. 25 НК) и ограничений гл. 26.2 НК РФ в части перечня затрат?

7. Экономия НДС в торговле, производстве, выполнении работ, оказании услуг через разделение финансово-товарных потоков "с НДС" и "без НДС". Ограничение использования: покупатели/заказчики, не нуждающиеся в вычете НДС, как их выявить, или создать искусственно. Риски и рекомендации по использованию схемы.

8. Иностранные низконалоговые компании, цели применения. Их использование при проведении внутрироссийских операций для оптимизации налога на прибыль: традиционные (торговля, проценты, дивиденды, роялти, услуги и т.п.) и нетрадиционные схемы (простое товарищество, агентские). Выбор низконалоговых юрисдикций.

9. Обзор изменений налогового законодательства, как они повлияют на налоговые схемы. Ответы на вопросы. По желанию и по возможности – индивидуальное экспресс-моделирование схем налогового планирования для компаний-участниц курса.

Стоимость участия:1 день 9 000 руб.

Стоимость участия:2 дня 16 000 руб.

Вся информация по тел: +7 Московский код: 742/9I98 <<>> +7 499 - 4Ч5_40/95
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From britt.johansson at vll.ca  Fri Aug 17 10:46:18 2012
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From briancady413 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 18 01:12:37 2012
From: briancady413 at yahoo.com (briancady413)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 01:12:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] Wi-fi range extension with phased pherical array antennae?
Message-ID: <mailman.3666.1576008238.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Perhaps wi-fi range could be extended without increased power with spherical 
phased arrays of antennae, which can be used to directionally amplify sent 
and received signals. Maybe a physics or engineering student could put into 
the public domain hardware designs to control signal directionality of such 
an icosahedral array, and open source software could be devised to discover 
other signal's direction, and transpond 'in' that right direction with that 
signal's transponder. Here's some related papers:

http://www.jpier.org/PIER/pier.php?paper=06081101
http://www.ursi.org/Proceedings/ProcGA02/papers/p1274.pdf

Brian

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From andrew at pdqvpn.com  Sat Aug 18 01:16:56 2012
From: andrew at pdqvpn.com (Andrew Lewis)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 04:16:56 -0400
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] Pie-in-the-sky potential...
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FWIW some people that hang around Telecomix might also be interested in collaboration on stuff outside of just regular Byzantium. I also know that there are some people doing space stuff that we can reach out to, via the DARPA funding for hackerspaces and Space. I think that Byzantium is a very cool subproject that loops into a whole slew of mesh networking projects that can build an ecosystem of communication gear that can be put together in a hurry. I think that the community might be reaching critical mass where we start to integrate all this stuff. 


As an aside, it blew my mind that for $20k you could build a blue force/situational awareness system for a 20 kilometer radius using mesh networking. Byzantium should really look at integrating serval-maps project, as it can do some really cool stuff with mapping. 

Andrew 


On Aug 18, 2012, at 3:00 AM, haxwithaxe <me at haxwithaxe.net> wrote:

> replies below
> 
> On 08/18/2012 12:51 AM, Crate8 wrote:
>> Greetings all,
>> 
>> As a security and defence scholar, with an interest in technology and
>> emergency management, I'm glad I've stumbled across this project.(thank
>> you Reddit and Ars Technica, I think).  I've been searching for an
>> adaptable mesh networking application for quite some time and haven't
>> found anything robust and cost-effective (read: cheap/free) until now. 
>> Happy to see something like this being pushed out.
> thanks we're glad to be pushing it :P
> 
>> Tossing the idea around in my noodle brought up an idea of loading this
>> kind of software onto a constellation of tiny cubesats
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CubeSat) in orbit, offering potentially
>> global coverage.  While I recognize that this is not the specific aim of
>> the Byzantium Project, I can't help but think that with ground-based
>> high-gain Wi-Fi antennas pointed to the sky, such a system would be
>> wonderful.  Not to mention access in the event of disaster in seriously
>> remote areas.
> i like the idea }:P
> i was gonna put something here about power required to get to space but
> then i read this :P
> http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/19/venezuelans-set-new-wifi-distance-record-237-miles/
> 
> i'm not familiar enough to know whether tracking would be an issue but
> that might be something to consider since getting geosyncronous orbit
> for cubesats is pricey (compared to polar orbit).
> 
>> I'll give a look-see into the project documentation, etc.  I'm
>> particularly interested to see how handing off is accomplished when a
>> mobile user moves out of the range of one node and into another...
> for the different protocols we use they might be different but the one
> we use by default is babeld and i think it just waits for it to not
> respond to the mesh protocol traffic and then drops it from the routing
> table.
> 
>> Any side-threads dedicated to long-term potential of this distro?  I'm
>> not much of a coder (mostly hobbyist Java stuff :P) but I'm creative and
>> determined and would love to lend any hand I can to improving this project.
> testing (including light security audits) are very useful at this point,
> as are translations and documentation writing/editing.
> 
> haxwithaxe
> 

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From bettyanngoss at sunmarkbank.com  Fri Aug 17 14:03:46 2012
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From blhina1 at skypool.ru  Sat Aug 18 09:44:40 2012
From: blhina1 at skypool.ru (=?koi8-r?B?88/L0sHdxc7JxSDT1NLByM/X2cgg19rOz9PP1w==?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 08:44:40 -0800
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   29 августа 2012г.

Уменьшаем расходы на выплату белой зарплаты

+7 499 - 445_40/95 **** +7 499 ЧЧ5Ч*095

Цель:

Ставка обязательных страховых взносов (СВ) с 2012 года составляет 30% почти для всех плательщиков. При формальном снижении нагрузки на зарплату для многих сотрудников фактически выплаты возрастут: если раньше с больших зарплат СВ не уплачивались, то теперь их ставка составит 10% с суммы дохода свыше 512 тыс. рублей в год. Если вспомнить про 13% НДФЛ и НДС, который тоже косвенно является налогом на зарплату, то многие предприниматели и руководители видят только один путь – возврат к "черным" схемам.

Курс посвящен поиску путей выживания компаний в новой ситуации при условии легальности всех выплат доходов физическим лицам. Участники узнают, как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать "зарплатные" налоги с учетом будущих изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменительной практики.

Программа:

1. Понятие и принципы налогового планирования: платить налоги, но не переплачивать. "Черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы. Классификация методов оптимизации налогообложения доходов физических лиц. Обзор изменений законодательства по страховым взносам на 2012-13 гг., как они повлияли на налоговые схемы.

2. Использование специальных налоговых режимов:

 * В каком случае выплата зарплаты на спецрежимах сохраняет актуальность.

 * Дивидендные схемы – замена выплаты зарплате на "упрощенке"? Нюансы, рекомендации. Выплата квартальных дивидендов ежемесячно частями. Выплаты из прибыли в АО, ООО, производственном кооперативе ("народном предприятии"). Расчет эффективности.

 * Договоры с предпринимателем: возмездного оказания услуг, выполнения работ, агентский, транспортные услуги, механизм трансфертных цен, штрафные санкции, аренда и пр. Способы минимизации рисков имущественной ответственности предпринимателя. Расчет эффективности.

 * Дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве предпринимателя: легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Выбор банков, проблемы, связанные с новым порядком ведения кассовых операций.

3. Условия применения всех схем: Непритворный характер заключаемых сделок. Экономическая целесообразность расходов ("деловая цель", "легенда", отсутствие дублирующихся функций). Грамотное обоснование цен и качественное документальное оформление расходов. Неаффилированность, прямые и косвенные признаки аффилированности, ее негативные последствия и когда она допустима; "искусственное дробление бизнеса с целью уклонения от уплаты налогов" (подход "как к ЮКОСу"); "деловые цели", обосновывающие деление бизнеса. Самостоятельность низконалоговых субъектов.

4. Использование вспомогательных организаций:

 *  "Инвалидные" организации и их филиалы, актуальность.

 * Страховые компании. Долгосрочное накопительное страхование жизни работников и ДМС за счет предприятия.

5. Использование иностранных (низконалоговых) компаний. Корпоративные или личные пластиковые карты иностранных банков. Перевод на них или на карты российских банков зарплат, компенсаций, гонораров и иных легальных доходов от нерезидентов.

6. Как компенсировать снижение социальных гарантий (включая пенсионные накопления) работников при применении налоговых схем, не предусматривающих выплату зарплаты?

7. Использование процентных займов от физлиц. Расчет эффективности. Потребительский кредитный кооператив граждан – способ получения безналогового дохода в виде процентов.

8. Специальные методы. Все виды компенсаций (за несвоевременную выплату заработной платы, за использование личного имущества, за разъездной характер работы, "золотые парашюты" и др.). Выплата арендной платы. Закуп у физлиц ТМЦ. Суточные. Обучение сотрудников с заключением ученического договора, как способ налогового планирования.

9. Потребительское кредитование, компенсация процентов по ипотечным кредитам и другие эффективные способы замены заработной платы безналоговыми источниками материальной выгоды.

10. Создание недоимки по налогам с ФОТ на фирме, не обремененной активами – пример "серой" схемы (как нельзя "оптимизировать"!).

11. Способы подтверждения источников крупных расходов физлиц и когда это необходимо.

12. Ответы на вопросы. По желанию – индивидуальное экспресс-моделирование схем налогового планирования для компаний-участниц мероприятия.

Стоимость участия: 9 000 рублей

Информацию можно получить по телефонам: +7 (код Москвы) 7Ч2-91\98 и +7 499 - 4Ч5\40*95
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From miail at 3s.spb.ru  Sat Aug 18 01:01:47 2012
From: miail at 3s.spb.ru (=?koi8-r?B?79LHwc7ZIMvPztTSz8zR?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 15:01:47 +0700
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 27 августа 2012г.

Трансфертное ценообразование: новый порядок контроля с 2012 г. &quot;Ликбез &quot; для налогоплательщика и &quot;как жить дальше &quot;. Способы ухода от контроля за сделками

8 Моск. код: 7922I\22 или +7 499 - 445*ЧО.95

Цель:

С 1 января 2012 года НК РФ дополнен новым разделом V.1, посвященным контролю цен сделок. Семинар посвящен подробному рассмотрению произошедших в этой сфере изменений и практическим рекомендациям налогоплательщикам по адаптации к ним (подготовка защитной документации, избежание взаимозависимости и контроля сделок, снижение риска претензий). Рассматриваются новые обязанности, права и ответственность налогоплательщиков, новый вид проверок √ "проверка полноты исчисления и уплаты налогов в связи с совершением сделок между взаимозависимыми лицами", способы обоснования трансфертных цен в различных сделках.

Вместе с тем, рассматриваются и законные способы ухода от обременительного контроля за ценами сделок по новому законодательству, его пробелы и противоречия, перспективы новых поправок в НК РФ.

Программа:

1. Контролируемые сделки, что изменилось:
 * сделки между взаимозависимыми лицами;
 * сделки в области внешней торговли биржевыми товарами;
 * сделки с офшорами;

2. Когда сделки не признаются контролируемыми и как избежать контроля. Методика расчета минимальной суммы для признания внутрироссийских сделок контролируемыми.

3. Взаимозависимые лица, новый перечень оснований взаимозависимости, ее косвенные признаки. Установление взаимозависимости "по иным основаниям" в рамках судебного разбирательства. Способы ухода от взаимозависимости. Использование номинальных учредителей и директоров компаний, ИП Кто может быть номиналом? Номиналы-нерезиденты: юридические и физические лица. Траст: номиналы по закону, а не "по понятиям". Как защититься от номинала: юридические и экономические способы. Простое товарищество с физлицом-номиналом?

4. Новые обязанности и права налогоплательщиков, совершающих контролируемые сделки:

 * определение перечня контролируемых сделок, форма и сроки подачи;

 * подача документации по трансфертным ценам;

 * добровольные корректировки цен.

5. Новый вид налоговых проверок √ "проверка полноты исчисления и уплаты налогов в связи с совершением сделок между взаимозависимыми лицами". Случаи освобождения от ответственности.

6.Методы определения соответствия цен сделки рыночным:

 * сопоставимые рыночные цены √ где их найти. Расчет интервала рыночных цен;

 * сопоставимые сделки √ как доказать сопоставимость. Методика корректировки;

 * открытые источники информации √ что это;

 * анализа уровня рентабельности √ как найти сопоставимые компании. Расчет интервала рентабельности;

 * метод распределения прибыли √ реально ли применение на практике?;

6. Международная практика применения методов ценообразования (ОЭСР, США).

7. Способы защиты прав и интересов налогоплательщика:

 * соглашение о ценообразовании: порядок определения цен и порядок применения методов ценообразования в контролируемых сделках. Насколько это реально?;

 * симметричные корректировки: потенциальные проблемы в применении;

 * консолидированная группа налогоплательщиков: далекое будущее?

8. Что конкретно должно быть сделано сейчас для успешной адаптации к новым правилам:

 * анализ соответствия применяемых цен и существующей методики ценообразования требованиям НК;

 * что изменить в договорах;

 * разработка типовой документации для обоснования цен.

9. Примеры подходов к исследованию трансфертных цен по разным видам деятельности.

10.Ответы на вопросы.

Стоимость участия: 9 000 рублей

По вопpоcам подробной информации и pегucтаpацuu обpащайтеcь по тел: +7 495 742.9I/98 \\\/// код (499) - Ч45\ЧО95
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From brittoo at canes.ru  Sat Aug 18 09:33:47 2012
From: brittoo at canes.ru (=?koi8-r?B?88jFzdkgxMzRINrB0tDMwdTZ?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 18:33:47 +0200
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   29 августа 2012г.

Оптимизируем расходы на выплату белой зарплаты

(495) 742.9I.98 <<>> 8 (499) ЧЧ5_4О/95

Цель:

Ставка обязательных страховых взносов (СВ) с 2012 года составляет 30% почти для всех плательщиков. При формальном снижении нагрузки на зарплату для многих сотрудников фактически выплаты возрастут: если раньше с больших зарплат СВ не уплачивались, то теперь их ставка составит 10% с суммы дохода свыше 512 тыс. рублей в год. Если вспомнить про 13% НДФЛ и НДС, который тоже косвенно является налогом на зарплату, то многие предприниматели и руководители видят только один путь – возврат к "черным" схемам.

Курс посвящен поиску путей выживания компаний в новой ситуации при условии легальности всех выплат доходов физическим лицам. Участники узнают, как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать "зарплатные" налоги с учетом будущих изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменительной практики.

Программа:

1. Понятие и принципы налогового планирования: платить налоги, но не переплачивать. "Черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы. Классификация методов оптимизации налогообложения доходов физических лиц. Обзор изменений законодательства по страховым взносам на 2012-13 гг., как они повлияли на налоговые схемы.

2. Использование специальных налоговых режимов:

 * В каком случае выплата зарплаты на спецрежимах сохраняет актуальность.

 * Дивидендные схемы – замена выплаты зарплате на "упрощенке"? Нюансы, рекомендации. Выплата квартальных дивидендов ежемесячно частями. Выплаты из прибыли в АО, ООО, производственном кооперативе ("народном предприятии"). Расчет эффективности.

 * Договоры с предпринимателем: возмездного оказания услуг, выполнения работ, агентский, транспортные услуги, механизм трансфертных цен, штрафные санкции, аренда и пр. Способы минимизации рисков имущественной ответственности предпринимателя. Расчет эффективности.

 * Дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве предпринимателя: легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Выбор банков, проблемы, связанные с новым порядком ведения кассовых операций.

3. Условия применения всех схем: Непритворный характер заключаемых сделок. Экономическая целесообразность расходов ("деловая цель", "легенда", отсутствие дублирующихся функций). Грамотное обоснование цен и качественное документальное оформление расходов. Неаффилированность, прямые и косвенные признаки аффилированности, ее негативные последствия и когда она допустима; "искусственное дробление бизнеса с целью уклонения от уплаты налогов" (подход "как к ЮКОСу"); "деловые цели", обосновывающие деление бизнеса. Самостоятельность низконалоговых субъектов.

4. Использование вспомогательных организаций:

 *  "Инвалидные" организации и их филиалы, актуальность.

 * Страховые компании. Долгосрочное накопительное страхование жизни работников и ДМС за счет предприятия.

5. Использование иностранных (низконалоговых) компаний. Корпоративные или личные пластиковые карты иностранных банков. Перевод на них или на карты российских банков зарплат, компенсаций, гонораров и иных легальных доходов от нерезидентов.

6. Как компенсировать снижение социальных гарантий (включая пенсионные накопления) работников при применении налоговых схем, не предусматривающих выплату зарплаты?

7. Использование процентных займов от физлиц. Расчет эффективности. Потребительский кредитный кооператив граждан – способ получения безналогового дохода в виде процентов.

8. Специальные методы. Все виды компенсаций (за несвоевременную выплату заработной платы, за использование личного имущества, за разъездной характер работы, "золотые парашюты" и др.). Выплата арендной платы. Закуп у физлиц ТМЦ. Суточные. Обучение сотрудников с заключением ученического договора, как способ налогового планирования.

9. Потребительское кредитование, компенсация процентов по ипотечным кредитам и другие эффективные способы замены заработной платы безналоговыми источниками материальной выгоды.

10. Создание недоимки по налогам с ФОТ на фирме, не обремененной активами – пример "серой" схемы (как нельзя "оптимизировать"!).

11. Способы подтверждения источников крупных расходов физлиц и когда это необходимо.

12. Ответы на вопросы. По желанию – индивидуальное экспресс-моделирование схем налогового планирования для компаний-участниц мероприятия.

Стоимость участия: 9 000 рублей

Информацию можно получить по телефонам: код (495) - 7-Ч2_91.98 <<>> код (495) - 7/Ч2*91.98
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From coderman at gmail.com  Sat Aug 18 19:36:56 2012
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:36:56 -0700
Subject: [briar-devel] Foo security
In-Reply-To: <502C2A25.3020903@littledystopia.net>
References: <502BDE6E.2090902@briarproject.org> 
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On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM, b. brewer <bbrewer at littledystopia.net> wrote:
>  ...
> Recently I've been thinking about an idea I'll call foo security,
> since I haven't thought of a better name. It's possible that someone
> else has already thought of this idea, but if so, I don't know what
> they called it.
>
> Foo security is an attempt to rethink information security from a
> usability perspective. It's defined as follows:
>
>   A system is foo secure with respect to a user if the system's
>   security properties match or exceed the user's beliefs about those
>   properties.

this is also known as hypothesis #3. [0]

anything more is a usability liability ;)


0. "Hypothesis #3 -- There is only one Mode, and it is Secure."
  http://iang.org/ssl/h3_there_is_only_one_mode_and_it_is_secure.html




From kleinesk-qz at jenniferlopezfan.com  Sat Aug 18 07:20:20 2012
From: kleinesk-qz at jenniferlopezfan.com (=?koi8-r?B?7NXe28nFIMLFzNnFINPIxc3Z?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 21:20:20 +0700
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?7NXe28nFIMLFzNnFINPIxc3ZIO7BzM/Hz9fPxSDQzMHOydLP18HOycUg?=
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   29-30 августа

Налоговое планирование с учетом изменений законодательства √ лучшие белые схемы

8 (499) 445Ч095 <<>> код (495) - 7*42-9I-98

Цель:

Ставка обязательных страховых взносов (СВ) с зарплаты с 2012 года составляет 30% почти для всех плательщиков (включая субъектов УСН и ЕНВД). При формальном снижении нагрузки по зарплате многих сотрудников фактически выплаты возрастут: если раньше с больших зарплат СВ не уплачивались, то теперь их ставка составит 10% с суммы дохода свыше 512 тыс. рублей в год. Если вспомнить про 13% НДФЛ и НДС, который тоже косвенно является налогом на зарплату, то многие предприниматели и руководители видят только один путь √ назад, к "черным" схемам. 

Есть возможность посещения любого одного дня: программа разбита на два логических блока, каждый из которых занимает один день. Рекомендуется посещение обоих дней. 

Первый день посвящен поиску путей выживания компаний при условии легальности всех выплат доходов физическим лицам. Участники узнают, как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать "зарплатные" налоги с учетом изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменительной практики. Кроме того, рассматриваются общие для всех налоговых схем условия и принципы применения √ такие как наличие деловых целей, отсутствие аффилированности и фиктивных сделок, грамотное оформление.

Второй день посвящен изучению основных практических методов оптимизации налога на прибыль и (в той степени, в которой это возможно) НДС в торговых (оптовых и розничных) и производственных предприятиях, предприятиях, оказывающих услуги или выполняющих работы, в т.ч. строительные. Рассматриваются субъекты льготного налогообложения, способы переноса на них налогооблагаемой базы и пути безналогового рефинансирования (возврата) выведенных сумм. Участники получат краткие индивидуальные консультации по тематике курса.

Программа:

1 день: Налоговое планирование по страховым взносам и НДФЛ в 2012 г. с учетом изменений законодательства

1. Понятие и принципы налогового планирования: платить налоги, но не переплачивать. "Черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы. Классификация методов оптимизации налогообложения доходов физических лиц. Обзор изменений законодательства по страховым взносам на 2012-13 гг., как они повлияли на налоговые схемы.

2. Использование специальных налоговых режимов:

 * в каком случае выплата зарплаты на спецрежимах сохраняет актуальность;

 * дивидендные схемы √ замена выплаты зарплате на "упрощенке"? Нюансы, рекомендации. Выплата квартальных дивидендов ежемесячно частями. Выплаты из прибыли в АО, ООО, производственном кооперативе ("народном предприятии"). Расчет эффективности,

 * договоры с предпринимателем: возмездного оказания услуг, выполнения работ, агентский, транспортные услуги, механизм трансфертных цен, штрафные санкции, аренда и пр. Способы минимизации рисков имущественной ответственности предпринимателя. Расчет эффективности,

 * дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве предпринимателя: легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Выбор банков, проблемы, связанные с новым порядком ведения кассовых операций.

3. Условия применения всех схем: Непритворный характер заключаемых сделок. Экономическая целесообразность расходов ("деловая цель", "легенда", отсутствие дублирующихся функций). Грамотное обоснование цен и качественное документальное оформление расходов. Неаффилированность, прямые и косвенные признаки аффилированности, ее негативные последствия и когда она допустима; "искусственное дробление бизнеса с целью уклонения от уплаты налогов" (подход "как к ЮКОСу"); "деловые цели", обосновывающие деление бизнеса. Самостоятельность низконалоговых субъектов. 
4. Использование вспомогательных организаций:

 *  "инвалидные" организации и их филиалы, актуальность;

 * страховые компании. Долгосрочное накопительное страхование жизни работников и ДМС за счет предприятия.

5. Использование иностранных (низконалоговых) компаний. Корпоративные или личные пластиковые карты иностранных банков. Перевод на них или на карты российских банков зарплат, компенсаций, гонораров и иных легальных доходов от нерезидентов.

6. Как компенсировать снижение социальных гарантий (включая пенсионные накопления) работников при применении налоговых схем, не предусматривающих выплату зарплаты?

7. Использование процентных займов от физлиц. Расчет эффективности. Потребительский кредитный кооператив граждан √ способ получения безналогового дохода в виде процентов.

8. Специальные методы. Все виды компенсаций (за несвоевременную выплату заработной платы, за использование личного имущества, за разъездной характер работы, "золотые парашюты" и др.). Выплата арендной платы. Закуп у физлиц ТМЦ. Суточные. Обучение сотрудников с заключением ученического договора, как способ налогового планирования.

9. Потребительское кредитование, компенсация процентов по ипотечным кредитам и другие эффективные способы замены заработной платы безналоговыми источниками материальной выгоды.

10. Способы подтверждения источников крупных расходов физлиц и когда это необходимо.

2 день: Оптимизации налога на прибыль и НДС, практика оптимальных решений: как снизить расходы и увеличить прибыль

1. Методы планирования налога на прибыль и НДС. Принципиальная невозможность экономии НДС "белыми" схемами и случаи, когда это все же возможно.

2. Низконалоговые субъекты:

 * субъекты специальных налоговых режимов √ ЕНВД и УСН, в т.ч. патентная система, субъекты УСН из "низконалоговых" регионов, где введена минимальная ставка единого налога при объекте "доходы минус расходы" (5%) на все или почти на все виды деятельности, а также простое товарищество с их участием,

 * оффшоры или связанные с ними компании-нерезиденты из респектабельных юрисдикций,

 * экзотические варианты: ИП на общей системе, физлица (при условии несистематичности извлечения дохода), "инвалидные" структуры, убыточные предприятия и фирмы, имеющие переплату НДС,

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Aug 18 12:48:19 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 21:48:19 +0200
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] Wi-fi range extension with phased pherical
  array 	antennae?
Message-ID: <20120818194819.GF12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Aug 18 12:49:04 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 21:49:04 +0200
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] Pie-in-the-sky potential...
Message-ID: <20120818194904.GG12615@leitl.org>

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From aysh at kolobokit.ru  Sat Aug 18 21:11:35 2012
From: aysh at kolobokit.ru (=?koi8-r?B?9dDSwdfMxc7JxSDLz8zMxcvUydfPzSDC1cjHwczUxdLJyQ==?=)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 05:11:35 +0100
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?58zB187ZyiDC1cjHwczUxdI6INXQ0sHXzMXO3sXTy8nFIM7B19nLyQ==?=
Message-ID: <000d01cd7dc0$b8d67e30$6400a8c0@aysh>

   22 августа 2012 г.

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From mk at dee.su  Mon Aug 20 00:33:29 2012
From: mk at dee.su (Maxim Kammerer)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:33:29 +0300
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
Message-ID: <mailman.3668.1576008238.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hello gentlemen,

Here and there I see references to bglobalb or bstate-levelb powerful
adversaries when it comes to end-to-end traffic correlation b i.e.,
it's supposed to be very hard. Because Tor network has many nodes,
there are guard nodes, there is research, blog posts, CIA funding
(well, not anymore, but similar funding from EU is in the works),
useless bureaucracy, college kids playing in serious development, yada
yada b you know the drill.

Anyway, let's do some math. Below, you will find a table where left
column denotes the number of Guard+Exit+Fast+Stable Tor relays one
needs to sniff at Class-C level, and right column denotes the
probability that a given circuit will go through both intercepted
entry and exit nodes. This is slightly imprecise, because same node
can't be both entry and exit for a circuit, and there are other
ignored intricacies (e.g., port policies) that push the estimates in
the other direction b the reason is that I am better with writing
quick scripts [1] than with Excel. The consensus taken for analysis is
from a few hours ago, and I read Tor server code from current stable
version in Gentoo (0.2.2.35) b this probably doesn't matter.

10 11.50%
11 14.56%
12 16.52%
13 16.80%
14 17.69%
15 17.98%
16 18.90%
17 19.20%
18 19.50%
19 20.46%
20 20.46%
21 21.76%
22 22.77%
23 23.43%
24 23.43%
25 24.48%
26 24.48%
27 24.82%
28 25.55%
29 25.90%
30 25.90%

As you can see, sniffing just 25 Class-C networks (or 42 individual
nodes) lets an adversary correlate ~25% of (non-.onion) circuits.
Which networks are these?

DE 31.172.30.[1-4]
GB 146.185.23.179
NL 77.247.181.{162,164}
RO 109.163.233.{200,201,205}
CA 198.96.155.3
US 199.48.147.{35,36,37,38,39,40,41}
DE 212.84.206.250
FR 178.32.211.{130,140}
US 204.8.156.142
US 173.254.216.[66-69]
SE 78.108.63.44
US 96.44.189.102
GB 178.33.169.35
CZ 212.79.110.28
US 66.180.193.219
DE 88.198.100.{230,233}
LU 212.117.180.65
SE 81.170.186.175
CH 62.220.135.129
SE 84.55.117.251
DE 85.31.187.132
CA 8.18.172.156
FR 213.251.185.74
US 69.42.212.2
FR 37.59.82.50

All of these servers are in US/CA or EU jurisdiction, so even an
unsophisticated LE operation can issue ~20 wiretapping orders at ISP
level (many of these networks are operated by same hosting providers),
and immediately deanonymize ~25% of Tor traffic. So far for anonymity!

Oh, and if you are just into looking what sites Tor users visit, the
situation is even better b intercepting the same 25 Class-C networks
will let you see 72% of the traffic. Picking better non-Guard Exits
will improve this figure to 78%. That's right b 4/5th of Tor traffic
exits through just 25 LANs.

[1] http://pastebin.com/hgtXMSyx

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From noonslists at gmail.com  Sun Aug 19 17:41:48 2012
From: noonslists at gmail.com (Noon Silk)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:41:48 +1000
Subject: [FoRK] On the Feasibility of Side-Channel Attacks with
	Brain-Computer Interfaces
Message-ID: <mailman.3669.1576008238.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Awesome.

"
Brain computer interfaces (BCI) are becoming increasingly popular in
the gaming and entertainment industries. Consumer-grade BCI devices
are available for a few hundred dollars and are used in a variety of
applications, such as video games, hands-free keyboards, or as an
assistant in relaxation training. There are application stores similar
to the ones used for smart phones, where application developers have
access to an API to collect data from the BCI devices.

The security risks involved in using consumer-grade BCI devices have
never been studied and the impact of malicious software with access to
the device is unexplored. We take a first step in studying the
security implications of such devices and demonstrate that this
upcoming technology could be turned against users to reveal their
private and secret information. We use inexpensive
electroencephalography (EEG) based BCI devices to test the feasibility
of simple, yet effective, attacks. The captured EEG signal could
reveal the userbs private informa- tion about, e.g., bank cards, PIN
numbers, area of living, the knowledge of the known persons. This is
the first attempt to study the security implications of consumer-grade
BCI devices. We show that the entropy of the private information is
decreased on the average by approximately 15 % - 40 % compared to
random guessing attacks.
"

More: https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity12/feasibility-side-channel-attacks-brain-computer-interfaces

-- 
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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Aug 20 03:20:34 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:20:34 +0200
Subject: [FoRK] On the Feasibility of Side-Channel Attacks with 
  Brain-Computer Interfaces
Message-ID: <20120820102034.GY12615@leitl.org>

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From fakefake at tormail.org  Mon Aug 20 05:49:16 2012
From: fakefake at tormail.org (fakefake at tormail.org)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:49:16 -0000
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
Message-ID: <mailman.3670.1576008238.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Good pointing at this. Gets much too less attention.

You need much less wiretapping orders. Just one. Wiretap the internet
exchange point and get any Tor user.

Sampled Traffic Analysis by Internet-Exchange-Level Adversaries
http://petworkshop.org/2007/papers/PET2007_preproc_Sampled_traffic.pdf

AS-awareness in Tor path selection
http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~edmanm2/ccs159-edman.pdf

LASTor: A Low-Latency AS-Aware Tor Client
http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~harsha/papers/oakland12.pdf

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From fwind_cmd at garmap.ru  Mon Aug 20 15:01:50 2012
From: fwind_cmd at garmap.ru (=?koi8-r?B?9dDSwdfMxc7JxSDLz8zMxcvUydfPzSDC1cjHwczUxdLJyQ==?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:01:50 -0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?58zB187ZyiDC1cjHwczUxdI6INXQ0sHXzMXO3sXTy8nFIM7B19nLyQ==?=
Message-ID: <42A67E476F0A41C68CDF98C99CA0DA55@Dudinha>

   22 августа 2012 г.

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 * Власть в организации: источники, каналы, инструменты.

 * Конфликты в организации: откуда они возникают и как урегулировать.

3. Индивидуальные стили менеджеров, сотрудников организации и реакция на изменения.

 * Как различать стили менеджеров.

 * Проблемы и решения во взаимодействии представителей разных стилей.

4. Манипуляции и менеджерские игры: как противостоять манипуляторам.

5. Управление коллективом бухгалтерии.

 * Ваши помощники и "сложные" сотрудники: технология "карты расстановки сил".

 * Чего хотят ваши подчиненные? Как выстроить в бухгалтерии систему материального и морального вознаграждения.

 * Делегирование задач и полномочий своим заместителям, сотрудникам бухгалтерии.

 * Обучение и развитие сотрудников бухгалтерии. Как определить потребности в обучении. Методика обучения взрослых людей на рабочем месте.

 * Удержание сотрудников бухгалтерии: как не стать  "учебным центром бухгалтеров" для других компаний.

Стоимость участия:  8 900 рублей

Информацию можно получить по телефонам: 8 Моск. код: 792-2I22 \\\/// +7 (код Москвы) 742_9I-98
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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Aug 20 12:43:07 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:43:07 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
Message-ID: <20120820194307.GB12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Aug 20 12:57:10 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:57:10 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
Message-ID: <20120820195710.GD12615@leitl.org>

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From b.sj at h.de  Mon Aug 20 22:28:08 2012
From: b.sj at h.de (=?koi8-r?B?18/azcXdxc7JxSDu5PM=?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:58:08 +0530
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?8M/S0cTPyyDQz8TU18XS1sTFzsnRINPUwdfLySDu5PMgMCUu?=
Message-ID: <000d01cd7f5d$bf4bbbb0$6400a8c0@b.sj>

   24 августа

Применение нулевой ставки НДС с учетом изменений, внесенных в НК РФ  в 2011-2012 гг.  Перспективы 2013 года.

Курс читает - Ведущий советник Отдела косвенных налогов Департамента налоговой и таможенно-тарифной политики Минфина России

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Внимание!
Ваши вопросы! которые Вы будете присылать включаются в программу. Программа будет скорректирована по мере поступления вопросов от участников курса.

Программа:

1. Порядок определения налоговой базы по НДС. Момент определения налоговой базы при реализации товаров (работ, услуг), имущественных прав.

2. Применение НДС при поставках товаров на экспорт. Налогообложение НДС работ (услуг), предусмотренных подпунктами 2.1-2.8, 3 пункта 1 статьи 164 НК (в том числе, услуги по международной перевозке, услуги по предоставлению вагонов и контейнеров, транспортно-экспедиционные услуги, услуги по перевалке и хранению товаров в портах, услуги по переработке товаров (документы, обосновывающие применение нулевой ставки НДС и требования к ним; срок представления документов; момент определения налоговой базы).

3. Особенности применения НДС при выполнении работ (оказании услуг), облагаемых по ставке НДС 0%, в том числе работ (услуг), связанных с международной перевозкой

4. Порядок подтверждения обоснованности применения ставки НДС 0%.

5. Применение налоговых вычетов, в том числе при осуществлении операций, подлежащих налогообложению по ставке НДС 0%.

6. Определение места реализации работ (услуг) в целях применения НДС.

7. Исполнение обязанности налогового агента по НДС.

8. Особенности применения НДС при заключении договоров в иностранной валюте.

9. Счета-фактуры, книга покупок, книга продаж, декларация по НДС.

10. Исчисление НДС при осуществлении посреднических операций по реализации и приобретению товаров (по договорам комиссии, поручения и т.д.)

11. Особенности применения НДС при осуществлении внешнеторговых операций в рамках Таможенного союза.

12. НДС при ввозе товаров на территорию Российской Федерации (определение налоговой базы, уплата НДС в зависимости от избранной таможенной процедуры, вычет уплаченных сумм налога).

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From kmex at poin.org  Tue Aug 21 13:46:32 2012
From: kmex at poin.org (=?koi8-r?B?4tXIx8HM1MXS1SEg7uTzINcg7usg8uYg1yAyMDEyIMfPxNU=?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:46:32 -0800
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?7uTzICjsxcvUz9LZIO3JzsbJziDy5iku?=
Message-ID: <A9B497889EFC4191BE96DEDA1CA13562@kythuat>

   24 августа

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Курс читает - Ведущий советник Отдела косвенных налогов Департамента налоговой и таможенно-тарифной политики Минфина России

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Внимание!
Ваши вопросы! которые Вы будете присылать включаются в программу. Программа будет скорректирована по мере поступления вопросов от участников курса.

Программа:

1. Порядок определения налоговой базы по НДС. Момент определения налоговой базы при реализации товаров (работ, услуг), имущественных прав.

2. Применение НДС при поставках товаров на экспорт. Налогообложение НДС работ (услуг), предусмотренных подпунктами 2.1-2.8, 3 пункта 1 статьи 164 НК (в том числе, услуги по международной перевозке, услуги по предоставлению вагонов и контейнеров, транспортно-экспедиционные услуги, услуги по перевалке и хранению товаров в портах, услуги по переработке товаров (документы, обосновывающие применение нулевой ставки НДС и требования к ним; срок представления документов; момент определения налоговой базы).

3. Особенности применения НДС при выполнении работ (оказании услуг), облагаемых по ставке НДС 0%, в том числе работ (услуг), связанных с международной перевозкой

4. Порядок подтверждения обоснованности применения ставки НДС 0%.

5. Применение налоговых вычетов, в том числе при осуществлении операций, подлежащих налогообложению по ставке НДС 0%.

6. Определение места реализации работ (услуг) в целях применения НДС.

7. Исполнение обязанности налогового агента по НДС.

8. Особенности применения НДС при заключении договоров в иностранной валюте.

9. Счета-фактуры, книга покупок, книга продаж, декларация по НДС.

10. Исчисление НДС при осуществлении посреднических операций по реализации и приобретению товаров (по договорам комиссии, поручения и т.д.)

11. Особенности применения НДС при осуществлении внешнеторговых операций в рамках Таможенного союза.

12. НДС при ввозе товаров на территорию Российской Федерации (определение налоговой базы, уплата НДС в зависимости от избранной таможенной процедуры, вычет уплаченных сумм налога).

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From freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de  Tue Aug 21 04:14:47 2012
From: freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de (Fabian Keil)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:14:47 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Freedom not Fear 2012: Great opportunity for Tor advocacy
Message-ID: <mailman.3671.1576008238.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

There's an upcoming bar camp in Brussels (2012-09-14 - 2012-09-17) that
is relevant to our interests, but doesn't seem to be on the calendar yet:
http://www.freedomnotfear.org/
https://wiki.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/Freedom_Not_Fear_2012

It's likely to be attended by a fair number of non-technical people
who strongly care about privacy and can reach other people that feel
the same, but for various reasons aren't using Tor already, or use it
but have misconceptions about what it protects against.

It would be great if an official member of the Tor project could make it.

People who are willing to provide the EU with a bunch of personal information
additionally may be able to meet with representatives of the EU commission and
the EU parliament and qualify for a travel allowance of up to 120 EUR.

For details see:
https://shop.foebud.org/fahrt-nach-bruessel-zu-den-aktionstagen-freedom-not-fear-2012.html

I intend to be there and feel confident talking about Tor in general,
arm and Vidalia (which I only use as monitor, though), but I'm not in
a good position to say more than a couple of words about e.g. Orbot,
Tor cloud, TBB or Obfsproxy.

Fabian



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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug 21 05:32:56 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:32:56 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Freedom not Fear 2012: Great opportunity for Tor 
  advocacy
Message-ID: <20120821123256.GV12615@leitl.org>

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From zooko at zooko.com  Tue Aug 21 15:08:25 2012
From: zooko at zooko.com (Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:08:25 -0600
Subject: [tahoe-dev] Tahoe-LAFS Weekly Call notes
Message-ID: <mailman.3672.1576008238.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Folks:

We had another Tahoe-LAFS Weekly Call. Here are my notes, which are
patchy and could be inaccurate. You could check this publicly editable
notepad for updates from the other attendees of the call.

http://titanpad.com/qnudyEsEoR

In attendance: Brian, David-Sarah, Zooko



About leasedb schema and Python code:

b" Use ascii-encoded or binary blobs in the leasedb (sqlite db)?

b" Use ascii-encoded or binary strings to hold things like shareids
inside the Python interpreter?



About accounting:

Server admin should be able to see aggregate usage per account.


We have read-only admin WUIs because we don't yet have a good
technology to authorize the administrator to access a WUI without
exposing the same access to CSRF attacks. (Brian has a prototype
solution in his "toolbed" project.)

Use cases of sharing:

b" Club
b" For-profit service (e.g. Least Authority)

Individual pairwise storage relationships:

b" Social (as long as there is visibility and control, Bob doesn't need
to feel like he needs something explicit specific in exchange)
b" Money
b" Tit for Tat
b" 3-way: Bob is running a server, Alice is running a client. She is
also, separately running a server (or hiring someone else to run a
server that Bob can use). So, Bob wants to let Alice's client use his
server because he knows that she is responsible for that other server
that he can use.

Somewhere along the line there is going to be a graph of who likes
whom -- who has accepted storage obligations for whom.

Eventually Brian wants to provide tools at *least* to visualize, and
ideally to manage, this network of social relationships.

People could, perhaps configure their node to give anybody storage
space as long as that person is giving you at least X% as much storage
space (Tit for Tat).



The three messages are:

1. I will accept shares from this other person.
2. I'm willing to send shares to this other person.
3. I'm working for this other person (as a storage server).


Next week:

b" Try some alternate tech such as Google Hangouts or Skype? POTS
quality is bad enough to interfere with communication.
b" More about accounting relationship management -- present the
higher-altitude picture of the roadmap from Brian's mind.

The short-term decision that we have to make is whether to have one
key or two keys -- a separate key for the client and for the server.



After David-Sarah rang off for dinner, Zooko made the following
proposal to Brian as a "baby step". Zooko's motivation is that this
would be simple to understand (especially for non-Brian people), and
useful (e.g. to volunteergrid2 folks), and hopefully
forward-compatible with the better "invitation protocol" design that
Brian has in mind.

Baby Step Proposal:

There is a file named "clients.txt" which is edited by a human and is
treated as read-only by the Tahoe-LAFS storage server (and is ignored
entirely by Tahoe-LAFS the storage client). It is a text file with one
record per line. Each record is a complete ascii-encoded public key
followed by an optional whitespace and pet name.

If your client's public key appears in the server's "clients.txt"
file, then your storage usage gets accounted for and displayed to the
storage server owner with his petname for you. If your client's public
key does not appear in that clients.txt, then your storage usage goes
into the "open, anonymous" accounting bucket (or else maybe gets
tracked under your public key?).

Or, the storage server operator can turn on the mode where if your
client's public key does not appear in his "clients.txt" file, then it
refuses to let you store data there at all.

There is an analogous file named "servers.txt" which is read but not
written by Tahoe-LAFS storage clients and is ignored entirely by
Tahoe-LAFS storage servers. This file contains a list of public keys
and optional petnames for storage servers. In "backwards compatibility
mode", it tracks which of those servers you store how much data with.
In "strict mode", it refuses to store data with storage servers that
don't have public keys in that file.
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From bjorn at barr.ca  Tue Aug 21 16:04:23 2012
From: bjorn at barr.ca (=?koi8-r?B?IvziIg==?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:04:23 -0500
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?3MvPzs/Nyd7F08vB0SDCxdrP0MHTzs/T1Ngg0NLFxNDSydHUydE=?=
Message-ID: <01cd7fc7$64cd2d80$f29a3ec8@bjorn>


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From broker33 at wlotos.ru  Tue Aug 21 04:47:03 2012
From: broker33 at wlotos.ru (=?koi8-r?B?5MzRIMLVyMfBzNTF0sE=?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:47:03 +0700
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?78TOz8TOxdfLyS4g78zY1MXSzsHUydfO2cUg2sHLz87O2cUg08jFzdk=?=
Message-ID: <F93749E9CC734DBA81C47C00FD5518C2@universi89ff61>

     28 августа 2012г.

Налоговое планирование: как жить без обналички и фирм-однодневок и не разориться, уход от "черных" и "серых" схем, оптимизация налогов с использованием законных альтернативных схем.

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Помочь компаниям, применяющим "серые" и "черные" схемы оптимизации налогов, уйти от них, и при этом не разориться, не уступить конкурентам, не уйти с рынка. Найти законные альтернативы таким схемам, платить налоги, но не переплачивать – вот основная идея налогового планирования без "помоек" и "черного нала".

Программа:

1. Договоримся о терминах: что такое "черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы, обналичка, фирма-однодневка ("помойка", "недобросовестный" или "проблемный" налогоплательщик, "фонарь" и т.п.). Как выявить внешнего контрагента-однодневку и исключить отношения с ним.

2. Обналичивание. Для чего используется:

 * "черная" зарплата и доходы собственников бизнеса;

 * оплата расходов, которые не хочется проводить официально;

 * незаконная деятельность (взятки, откаты, финансирование политической деятельности…).

3. Законные альтернативы обналичиванию (только для законных целей!):

 * в каком случае выплата зарплаты на спецрежимах сохраняет свою актуальность;

 * дивиденды от компаний на спецрежимах или от компании-нерезидента;

 * предприниматель (ИП) – как использовать;

 * дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве ИП – легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Новый порядок ведения кассовой операций ЦБР. Получение наличных по чеку, через личные (карточные и иные) счета, по сделкам с другими ИП, занимающимися розницей, общепитом, услугами населению и т.п. Выбор банков, ограничения;

 * зарплата в большом размере – льготная (в некоторых случаях – нулевая) ставка страховых взносов;

 * платежи от нерезидентов на карты, основания платежей.

 * Однодневки. Для чего используются:

 * псевдооптимизация НДС и налога на прибыль в отдельных сделках или всей деятельности;

 * "серый импорт";

 * "серая конвертация";

 * незаконная деятельность.

4. "Серые" (полулегальные) альтернативы: как нельзя "оптимизировать"! Фирмы-"прокладки", контактирующие с недобросовестными налогоплательщиками ("белая" - "серая" - "черная" фирмы). Краткий обзор других "серых" альтернатив.

5. Законные альтернативы однодневкам (только для законных целей!):

 * выявление (создание) покупателей (заказчиков), не нуждающихся в вычете НДС, разделение доходов и расходов "с НДС" и "без НДС";

 * затратные механизмы или трансфертное ценообразование с участием низконалоговых субъектов;

 * прямой импорт с использованием или не использованием трансфертных цен и затратных механизмов;

 * выплата нерезидентам дивидендов, роялти, процентов, вклады в их уставные капиталы, покупка акций, инвестиции и т.п.

6. Расчет налоговой нагрузки на примере. Каковы будут (и будут ли) потери при отказе от "черных" схем. Когда при этом можно даже сэкономить.

7. Как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать налоги с учетом  изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменения. Обзор изменений налогового законодательства, их влияние на налоговые схемы. Ответы на вопросы. По желанию и возможности  – индивидуальное экспресс-моделирование налоговых схем для компаний-участниц курса.

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From arma at mit.edu  Tue Aug 21 16:11:07 2012
From: arma at mit.edu (Roger Dingledine)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:11:07 -0400
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
Message-ID: <mailman.3673.1576008238.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:33:29AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> As you can see, sniffing just 25 Class-C networks (or 42 individual
> nodes) lets an adversary correlate ~25% of (non-.onion) circuits.

I think your numbers may not be right (there are a lot of other subtleties
to the calculation), but your point is still generally correct. The Tor
network doesn't have enough diversity relative to an ideal Tor network we
could imagine. Worse, the Internet itself doesn't have as much diversity
as we'd like either.

http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#feamster:wpes2004
http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#DBLP:conf:ccs:EdmanS09
http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#oakland2012-lastor
all examine AS-level path diversity.

See also http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#murdoch-pet2007
for another worrying concern about bottlenecks besides ASes. I also
worry about the bottleneck created by trans-ocean cables.

For more details calculating diversity, see
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/research-problem-measuring-safety-tor-network
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6232
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6443
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/6443/exit-probability-cdf-a.png
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6460

Help appreciated on those tickets!

> All of these servers are in US/CA or EU jurisdiction, so even an
> unsophisticated LE operation can issue ~20 wiretapping orders at ISP
> level

Really? Across jurisdictions? And for 'all traffic of those relays'?
I don't want to downplay the risk too far, but I think you overestimate
"unsophisticated law enforcement operations".

> (many of these networks are operated by same hosting providers),
> and immediately deanonymize ~25% of Tor traffic. So far for anonymity!

Well, do you have an alternative design that scales adequately to 6 or
7 figures of users, provides roughly-real-time browsing and other TCP
connections, works on the Internet that we have, and has better traffic
confirmation resistance?

Or said another way, how well do other usable low-latency anonymity
systems hold up to ongoing wiretaps at 25 arbitrary network locations? I
believe the answer is 'mostly less well than Tor'.

tagnaq pointed to my response to a similar question on the tor-relays
list:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2012-July/001436.html
talking about the tradeoff between "make it faster but more concentrated"
vs "make it less fast but less concentrated".
https://metrics.torproject.org/performance.html?graph=torperf&start=2009-06-01&end=2012-08-21&filesize=1mb#torperf

It would be interesting to see your stats on as AS level rather than
a /24 netblock level. But the challenge really is that we need to know
what networks the traffic flows traverse upstream -- e.g. how pervasive
a surveiller of Tor traffic could Deutsch Telekom be? This topic goes
back to my earlier blog post:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/research-problem-measuring-safety-tor-network

I think we still do a pretty good job explaining the risks and limitations
of using a system like Tor, e.g. in each Tor talk.

Tor used to print a warning message on start, to explain that it isn't
perfect. But a) no Windows users saw it, and b) it backfired in surprising
ways, like having journalists write "Tor recommends that you use something
else for now, since they're not ready yet":
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/2474

> [1] http://pastebin.com/hgtXMSyx

Thanks for presenting the code too!

--Roger

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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:10:41 -0600
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From tedks at riseup.net  Tue Aug 21 17:29:42 2012
From: tedks at riseup.net (Ted Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:29:42 -0400
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
Message-ID: <mailman.3674.1576008238.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 10:33 +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> Hello gentlemen,
<snip>
> [1] http://pastebin.com/hgtXMSyx

I ran this script on the current consensus. The full results (the
nodes-sniff-summary file) are below my signature. How did you compile
the country-codes to IPs list? That wasn't produced by the script.

It's comforting that this approach yields quickly diminishing returns.
Going from 25 to 60 networks only gets you a 10% increase in networks
surveillance (if I'm reading the output correctly), and returns plateau
entirely at that point (I'm considering about two percent to be in the
noise, which may not be appropriate to this domain).

Also, it's not immediately clear whether eavesdropping those networks
would actually get you strong enough correlation to accurately
de-anonymize users[1]. If our rodent(?) friend(s?) could comment on
this, I'd appreciate their expertise.

I also think that if it were possible for "unsophisticated law
enforcement" to deanonymize Tor users, they would already do it. If I
remember correctly, the Tor project gets a lot of requests from law
enforcement to deanonymize Tor users for them, which indicates that they
can't do it themselves (Andrew Lewman would be able to say if I'm
correct or not). 

I've also never heard of a conviction obtained through the use of this
material, though sophisticated TLAs might not much care. I wonder what a
search through the email dumps leaked by Anonymous in the past year for
Tor would yield. If this attack were possible in the wild, I'd expect
one or more of those contractors to be using it.

[1]
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2008-September/019231.html


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From bonnie at aconfidential.com  Tue Aug 21 07:13:44 2012
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From dragonwisard at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 21:22:13 2012
From: dragonwisard at gmail.com (Ben Mendis)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:22:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Freedombox-discuss] Wireless routers "knitted" together
Message-ID: <mailman.3675.1576008238.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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The paper they refer to acknowledges the recent research into using
ad-hoc mesh networks as a backup communication system for emergency
responders. They assert that mesh node density may be insufficient in
certain geographic areas to maintain the necessary coverage of the mesh.

Based on this assertion, they are proposing that "at some point in the
future" an emergency switch would be implemented into all (or most?)
home routers such that the could be flipped from normal mode into an
emergency mesh network mode granting access to emergency responders.

They then proceed to use an Android wardriving app to collect data on
existing residential WiFi-enabled routers one neighborhood and make the
case that these routers would be capable of running the necessary
software to form a mesh network with consistent coverage of that
neighborhood.


Although the paper appears to be well-researched and well-written, I
think they focus too much on the wardriving aspect and trying to
establish the proliferation of privately owned WiFi equipment in a
particular urban neighborhood in a well-developed country. There is a
lot of important discussion which they seem to leave out of this paper.
They may have already addressed it in their previous paper, which they
reference several times, however I have not read that one.

Some of the issues I see, which I would have liked to see addressed
further:

1. Who has the authority to activate the emergency switch, and what
mechanisms prevent its abuse?

2. What mechanism is used to activate this emergency switch?

3. Who has access to make use of the mesh network after it has been
activated? The paper seems to imply that it would only be used by
emergency responders, but their methodology is to open it up such that
anyone would be able to connect and access the network.

4. What liability would individuals face if their network was misused by
guests while this emergency switch was activated? Eg, what happens if
someone uses your now-unlocked network to commit a crime such as
illegally transferring copyrighted materials or child pornography?

5. How would the network be utilized in the absence of Internet access?
In the use case the authors describe, the mesh network is being
activiated because of a failure of traditional infrastructure, so it's
reasonable to assume that Internet access would be scare to impossible
in the region.

6. If traditional infrastructure is disrupted, that could include power
lines, how many of the residential routers they identified would still
be online if power was lost?


Could FreedomBox implement something similar to what they describe?
Easily. However I think it would be more interesting and arguably more
valuable for FreedomBox to implement an always-on mesh network rather
than one that is only switched on when emergency responders deem it is
appropriate.


That's my two cents.


On Wed, 22 Aug 2012, Sandy Harris wrote:

> http://www.securityweek.com/home-wifi-could-be-used-emergency-responders
>
> Is this something the Box should/could support? Is the method discussed in
> the article the right one for us?
>
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> Freedombox-discuss at lists.alioth.debian.org
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss
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From mk at dee.su  Tue Aug 21 14:52:04 2012
From: mk at dee.su (Maxim Kammerer)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:52:04 +0300
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
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On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:25 PM, tagnaq <tagnaq at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think karsten's graphs from #6443 fit also well to this thread:

Bingo b in the first graph in the ticket [1] you see that the
probability gets to ~80% when the number of nodes gets to 40. What
this graph doesn't show, however, is that many of these nodes are
attached to the same switch, or even run on same machine in different
VMs, or on different IPs (some even run on same IP). After accounting
for that, the number of tiny networks (at least /28, from going over
the list in the original message) and nodes one needs to intercept in
order to get the same 80% figure gets down to ~25. And of course, if
one is smarter about choosing which nodes to intercept, the
probability of seeing both entry and exit traffic is also significant:
~25%. It is also possible to do something in between (choose some
Guard-only and Exit-only nodes), but my laziness kicked in at that
point of analysis.

Here are the network again, in case anyone has the resources and is
curious enough about who does what with Tor:

DE 31.172.30.[1-4]
GB 146.185.23.179
NL 77.247.181.{162,164}
RO 109.163.233.{200-201,205}
CA 198.96.155.3
US 199.48.147.[35-41]
DE 212.84.206.250
FR 178.32.211.{130,140}
US 204.8.156.142
US 173.254.216.[66-69]
SE 78.108.63.44
US 96.44.189.102
GB 178.33.169.35
CZ 212.79.110.28
US 66.180.193.219
DE 88.198.100.{230,233}
LU 212.117.180.65
SE 81.170.186.175
CH 62.220.135.129
SE 84.55.117.251
DE 85.31.187.132
CA 8.18.172.156
FR 213.251.185.74
US 69.42.212.2
FR 37.59.82.50

[1] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/6443/exit-probability-cdf-2012-07-23-2.png

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From mk at dee.su  Tue Aug 21 18:42:35 2012
From: mk at dee.su (Maxim Kammerer)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:42:35 +0300
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Ted Smith <tedks at riseup.net> wrote:
> I ran this script on the current consensus. The full results (the
> nodes-sniff-summary file) are below my signature. How did you compile
> the country-codes to IPs list? That wasn't produced by the script.

Manually, using WHOIS and traceroute. This can be done automatically
using GeoIP, but I wanted to be sure in the results (also visited some
hosting sites), and writing a proper program would deviate too much
from the initially intended bquick hackb design.

> It's comforting that this approach yields quickly diminishing returns.
> Going from 25 to 60 networks only gets you a 10% increase in networks
> surveillance (if I'm reading the output correctly), and returns plateau
> entirely at that point (I'm considering about two percent to be in the
> noise, which may not be appropriate to this domain).

That's why I insist that everyone should be a relay by default, even
if there are some theoretical issues that weren't worked out yet [1].
Making everyone a relay also results in a healthier users community (I
think I2P is one), and more intrinsic network growth.

> Also, it's not immediately clear whether eavesdropping those networks
> would actually get you strong enough correlation to accurately
> de-anonymize users[1]. If our rodent(?) friend(s?) could comment on
> this, I'd appreciate their expertise.

Quoting [2] (referenced by fakefake): bTor has been long suspected,
and later confirmed [11,12], to be vulnerable to an attacker who could
observe both the entry and exit point of a connection through an
anonymity network.b

> I also think that if it were possible for "unsophisticated law
> enforcement" to deanonymize Tor users, they would already do it. If I
> remember correctly, the Tor project gets a lot of requests from law
> enforcement to deanonymize Tor users for them, which indicates that they
> can't do it themselves (Andrew Lewman would be able to say if I'm
> correct or not).

Well, it of course depends on what one calls bunsophisticatedb. E.g.,
if one judges by IACIS email dump [3], then most investigators hardly
understand what they are doing when it comes to unfamiliar
technologies (like Tor). So maybe you need them to be bsophisticatedb,
after all, but my point was that you don't need something exceptional
like involving state security agencies b i.e., FBI + UK Police + DE
Police + a couple of other countries, coordinating via Interpol does
not sound impossible to me. I will also expand on that in a reply to
Roger.

[1] https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#EverybodyARelay
[2] http://petworkshop.org/2007/papers/PET2007_preproc_Sampled_traffic.pdf
[3] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/25/anon_cybercrime_investigator_leak/

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From a.krey at gmx.de  Tue Aug 21 22:51:52 2012
From: a.krey at gmx.de (Andreas Krey)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:51:52 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:42:35 +0000, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
...
> technologies (like Tor). So maybe you need them to be ?sophisticated?,
> after all, but my point was that you don't need something exceptional
> like involving state security agencies ? i.e., FBI + UK Police + DE
> Police + a couple of other countries, coordinating via Interpol does
> not sound impossible to me.

Not impossible; but even if they start intercepting the relay
communication that data (and no small amount of it) is still sitting in
disparate systems and needs a) the software to actually do the correlation
and b) the means of all data being moved to one place.

Buying software for a) will probably show up in public records, and b)
may be hindered by the paranoia of the participating LEAs. Even the software
needed to get all the intercepted data in one place could be nightmarish.

Andreas

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From mk at dee.su  Tue Aug 21 23:48:19 2012
From: mk at dee.su (Maxim Kammerer)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:48:19 +0300
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Andreas Krey <a.krey at gmx.de> wrote:
> Buying software for a) will probably show up in public records, and b)
> may be hindered by the paranoia of the participating LEAs. Even the
software
> needed to get all the intercepted data in one place could be nightmarish.

I don't think that buying the software would be that difficult. For a
big project, LE could outsource it to one of those shady companies
selling exploits, or (more likely) to a government contractor with
security clearance. For something smaller, a hungry grad student
should do, after making them sign an NDA, or, in case of a really
arrogant LE, some national secrecy act. Writing the service as
something innocent in accounting is probably par for the course.

Closer to the topic, I think that traffic correlation can be performed
in a distributed fashion, if you know the target IPs to watch for
(which can be gathered beforehand locally on exit nodes, and
aggregated and analyzed afterwards). Exit nodes that see packets
to/from target hosts aggregate their exact timestamps for a few
seconds, and then send the chunks to all other nodes (so yes, you
can't correlate too much traffic). All other (guard) nodes then try to
locally correlate the received packets with their own traffic, and
aggregate successes for later reports. In this fashion, each node
needs to keep perhaps a minute of timestamped traffic. It is also
possible to play with traffic / disk space / success probability
tradeoffs: send chunks to rotating sets of nodes, increase recorded
traffic window (to be able to send old chunks to nodes that didn't see
traffic to a given IP yet), etc.

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From dragonwisard at gmail.com  Wed Aug 22 09:15:53 2012
From: dragonwisard at gmail.com (Ben Mendis)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:15:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] The Untapped Potential of Wi-Fi in Emergencies
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To repeat the critique I posted to the Freedombox list:

The paper they refer to acknowledges the recent research into using
ad-hoc mesh networks as a backup communication system for emergency
responders. They assert that mesh node density may be insufficient in
certain geographic areas to maintain the necessary coverage of the mesh.

Based on this assertion, they are proposing that "at some point in the
future" an emergency switch would be implemented into all (or most?)
home routers such that the could be flipped from normal mode into an
emergency mesh network mode granting access to emergency responders.

They then proceed to use an Android wardriving app to collect data on
existing residential WiFi-enabled routers one neighborhood and make the
case that these routers would be capable of running the necessary
software to form a mesh network with consistent coverage of that
neighborhood.


Although the paper appears to be well-researched and well-written, I
think they focus too much on the wardriving aspect and trying to
establish the proliferation of privately owned WiFi equipment in a
particular urban neighborhood in a well-developed country. There is a
lot of important discussion which they seem to leave out of this paper.
They may have already addressed it in their previous paper, which they
reference several times, however I have not read that one.

Some of the issues I see, which I would have liked to see addressed
further:

1. Who has the authority to activate the emergency switch, and what
mechanisms prevent its abuse?

2. What mechanism is used to activate this emergency switch?

3. Who has access to make use of the mesh network after it has been
activated? The paper seems to imply that it would only be used by
emergency responders, but their methodology is to open it up such that
anyone would be able to connect and access the network.

4. How would the network be utilized in the absence of Internet access?
In the use case the authors describe, the mesh network is being
activiated because of a failure of traditional infrastructure, so it's
reasonable to assume that Internet access would be scare to impossible
in the region.

5. If traditional infrastructure is disrupted, that could include power
lines, how many of the residential routers they identified would still
be online if power was lost?


They seemed to focus at lot on wardriving using and Android app, but
wardriving is sooo last decade. Still, it's good to see validation of
our premise. This story seems to be really picking up, despite the lack
of implementation specifics, which implies that there is interest and
need for what we are building.

That's my two cents.

Best regards,
Ben the Pyrate


On Wed, 22 Aug 2012, buzz wrote:

> When mobile networks collapse in natural disasters relief workers can be stranded. But German researchers say it's possible to tap
> domestic WiFi to create emergency mesh networks.
>
> http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,16183453,00.html
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From amitchell at isipp.com  Wed Aug 22 11:17:02 2012
From: amitchell at isipp.com (Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:17:02 -0600
Subject: Copyright infringement notice
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> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:16 AM, groupstudytac groupstudytac
> <groupstudytac at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I get copyright notices from companies like Irdeto , saying that one of my
>> customers IP is downloading unauthorized material using bittorent. I also
>> have processes in place to handle such notices .
>> 
>> Can anyone share how he handles such notices in his ISP environment , i am
>> ready to adapt some valid steps to improve the existing process.
>> 
>> Or should i just ignore such messages ?
> 
> If you're in the U.S., the process for handling these notices is
> prescribed by law, specifically the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
> (search: DMCA takedown notice). It details what the infringement
> notice must include in order to be actionable and what steps the ISP
> must take on receipt of an actionable notice. It also prescribes
> procedures for the alleged infringer to object and for the ISP to
> restore the material following an objection.
> 
> Follow the procedures described in the law to retain your immunity as
> an ISP. Consult a local lawyer if you don't find them sufficiently
> obvious.

The thing that muddies this is that, as I understand it, the notice was not for takedown (i.e. there is not an allegation that they are *hosting* infringing material) - it is a notice that one of their users *downloaded* copyrighted material (IP, do I have that right?)

This is part of the RIAA's "graduated response" program, to which several major ISPs, including AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast,  have agreed.

Basically, the accuser contacts the ISP, and the ISP sends a warning (a "copyright alert") to their user (without giving up the user to the accuser).

If the same user is accused subsequently, they get another, sterner warning.  In total there is a series of six warnings, with "mitigation measures" accompanying the fifth and sixth warning.

If I were counseling an ISP  - whether one that was part of the agreement, or not - I would say that the first order is to *put your policy around copyright alerts in writing* - asap - and make it as specific as possible - and then *ALWAYS FOLLOW IT EVERY SINGLE TIME*.    

It almost (I say almost) doesn't matter what the policy is so long as it's reasonable, but it matters that it be followed to the letter every time, no exceptions.

And, if you are an ISP that isn't part of the agreement with the RIAA, it's still not a bad idea to structure your policy to follow the six "copyright alert" structure, because there is some precedent there, and then you come off looking like you are trying to do the right thing, which will make you a less easy target.

These two articles give a pretty good explanation of the deal:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/03/graduated-response-deal-steamrollers-towards-july-1-launch

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/07/major-isps-agree-to-six-strikes-copyright-enforcement-plan/

Anne

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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:45:14 +0200
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:48:24 +0200
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:08:17 +0200
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From brocks3 at shevaton.ru  Wed Aug 22 02:52:37 2012
From: brocks3 at shevaton.ru (=?koi8-r?B?1NLBztPGxdLUzs/FIMPFzs/PwtLB2s/Xwc7JxSAyMDEy?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:52:37 +0900
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 27 августа 2012г.

&quot;Ликбез &quot; для налогоплательщика и &quot;как жить дальше &quot;. Трансфертное ценообразование: новый порядок контроля с 2012 г. Способы ухода от контроля за сделками

код (495) - 7*Ч2-91*98 или +7 499 - 4Ч5_Ч0-95

Цель:

С 1 января 2012 года НК РФ дополнен новым разделом V.1, посвященным контролю цен сделок. Семинар посвящен подробному рассмотрению произошедших в этой сфере изменений и практическим рекомендациям налогоплательщикам по адаптации к ним (подготовка защитной документации, избежание взаимозависимости и контроля сделок, снижение риска претензий). Рассматриваются новые обязанности, права и ответственность налогоплательщиков, новый вид проверок – "проверка полноты исчисления и уплаты налогов в связи с совершением сделок между взаимозависимыми лицами", способы обоснования трансфертных цен в различных сделках.

Вместе с тем, рассматриваются и законные способы ухода от обременительного контроля за ценами сделок по новому законодательству, его пробелы и противоречия, перспективы новых поправок в НК РФ.

Программа:

1. Контролируемые сделки, что изменилось:
 * сделки между взаимозависимыми лицами;
 * сделки в области внешней торговли биржевыми товарами;
 * сделки с офшорами;

2. Когда сделки не признаются контролируемыми и как избежать контроля. Методика расчета минимальной суммы для признания внутрироссийских сделок контролируемыми.

3. Взаимозависимые лица, новый перечень оснований взаимозависимости, ее косвенные признаки. Установление взаимозависимости "по иным основаниям" в рамках судебного разбирательства. Способы ухода от взаимозависимости. Использование номинальных учредителей и директоров компаний, ИП. Кто может быть номиналом? Номиналы-нерезиденты: юридические и физические лица. Траст: номиналы по закону, а не "по понятиям". Как защититься от номинала: юридические и экономические способы. Простое товарищество с физлицом-номиналом?

4. Новые обязанности и права налогоплательщиков, совершающих контролируемые сделки:

 * определение перечня контролируемых сделок, форма и сроки подачи;

 * подача документации по трансфертным ценам;

 * добровольные корректировки цен.

5. Новый вид налоговых проверок – "проверка полноты исчисления и уплаты налогов в связи с совершением сделок между взаимозависимыми лицами". Случаи освобождения от ответственности.

6.Методы определения соответствия цен сделки рыночным:

 * сопоставимые рыночные цены – где их найти. Расчет интервала рыночных цен;

 * сопоставимые сделки – как доказать сопоставимость. Методика корректировки;

 * открытые источники информации – что это;

 * анализа уровня рентабельности – как найти сопоставимые компании. Расчет интервала рентабельности;

 * метод распределения прибыли – реально ли применение на практике?;

6. Международная практика применения методов ценообразования (ОЭСР, США).

7. Способы защиты прав и интересов налогоплательщика:

 * соглашение о ценообразовании: порядок определения цен и порядок применения методов ценообразования в контролируемых сделках. Насколько это реально?;

 * симметричные корректировки: потенциальные проблемы в применении;

 * консолидированная группа налогоплательщиков: далекое будущее?

8. Что конкретно должно быть сделано сейчас для успешной адаптации к новым правилам:

 * анализ соответствия применяемых цен и существующей методики ценообразования требованиям НК;

 * что изменить в договорах;

 * разработка типовой документации для обоснования цен.

9. Примеры подходов к исследованию трансфертных цен по разным видам деятельности.

10.Ответы на вопросы.

Стоимость участия: 9 000 рублей

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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:58:17 +0200
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From companys at stanford.edu  Wed Aug 22 22:35:28 2012
From: companys at stanford.edu (Yosem Companys)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:35:28 -0700
Subject: [liberationtech] Introducing 'Tent' - The decentralized social web
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The founder is a friend of the late Ilya Zhitomirskiy and a member of
this list...

YC



"Introducing 'Tent' - The decentralized social web"

http://j.mp/Q0eDjz  (tent.io)

   "Tent is a new protocol for open, distributed social networking.  What
    we believe - The Tent Manifesto What makes Tent different?  Tent is
    decentralized, not federated or centralized. Any Tent server can
    connect to any other Tent server. All features are available to any
    server as first-class citizens. Anyone can host their own Tent server.
    Tent servers can also be run as Tor hidden services to create a social
    darknet for at-risk organizers and activists. Anyone can write
    applications that connect to Tent in order to display or create user
    content.  Relationships are between users, independent of their
    service providers, so users take their data and relationships with
    them when they change Tent service providers. Every user decide which
    other users can follow them and what information will be shared with
    each of their followers."
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From companys at stanford.edu  Wed Aug 22 23:16:13 2012
From: companys at stanford.edu (Yosem Companys)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:16:13 -0700
Subject: [liberationtech] The Dictator's Practical Guide to Internet Power
	Retention, Global Edition - Boing Boing
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http://boingboing.net/2012/08/22/the-dictators-practical-guid.html

The Dictator's Practical Guide to Internet Power Retention, Global
Edition<http://boingboing.net/2012/08/22/the-dictators-practical-guid.html>

By Cory Doctorow <http://boingboing.net/author/cory_doctorow_1> at 8:57 pm
Wednesday, Aug 22

The Dictator's Practical Guide to Internet Power Retention, Global
Edition<http://pwd.io/guide> is
a wry little 45-page booklet that is, superfically, a book of practical
advice for totalitarian, autocratic and theocratic dictators who are
looking for advice on how to shape their countries' Internet policy to
ensure that the network doesn't loosen their grip on power.

Really, though, this is Laurier Rochon's very good critique of the state of
Internet liberation technologies -- a critical analysis of what works, what
needs work, and what doesn't work in the world of networked technologies
that hope to serve as a force for democratization and self-determination.

It's also a literal playbook for using technology, policy, economics and
propaganda to diffuse political dissent, neutralize opposition movements,
and distract and de-politicize national populations. Rochon's device is an
admirably compact and efficient means of setting out the similarities (and
dissimilarities) in the Internet control programs used by Singapore, Iran,
China, Azerbaijan, and other non-democratic states -- and the programs set
in place by America and other "democratic" states in the name of fighting
Wikileaks and piracy. Building on the work of such fierce and smart critics
as Rebecca McKinnon (see my review of her book *Consent of the
Networked*<http://boingboing.net/2012/08/22/the-dictators-practical-guid.html>
), *The Dictator's Guide* is a short, sharp look at the present and future
of networked liberation.

Firstly, the country you rule must be somewhat "stable" politically.
Understandably "stable" can be defined differently in different contexts.
It is essential that the last few years (at least) have not seen too many
demonstrations, protests questioning your legitimacy, unrest, political
dissidence, etc. If it is the case, trying to exploit the internet to your
advantage can quickly backfire, especially if you can't fully trust your
fellow party officials (this is linked to condition #3). Many examples of
relatively stable single-leader states exist if in need of inspiration,
Fidel Castro's Cuba for example. Castro successfully reigned over the
country for decades, effectively protecting his people from
counter-revolutionary individuals. He appointed his brother as the
commander in chief of Cuba's army and managed his regime using elaborate
surveillance and strict dissuasive mechanisms against enemies of the
state.[49] As is always the case, political incidents will occur and test
your regime's resilience (the Bay of Pigs invasion or the missile crisis,
for example), but even massive states have managed to uphold a single-party
model and have adapted beautifully to the digital age - in China's case,
despite close to 87 000 protests in 2005.[2] Follow these states' example
and seek stability, no matter what your regime type is. Without it, you are
jeopardizing the two next prerequisites and annihilating your chances to
rule with the internet at your side. If you are in the midst of an
important political transformation, busy chasing counter-revolutionary
dissidents or sending your military to the streets in order to educate
protesters, you will need to tame these fires first and come back to this
guide afterwards.

The Dictator's Practical Guide to Internet Power Retention, Global
Edition<http://pwd.io/guide>

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From axsaeq at samcot.ru  Wed Aug 22 17:41:14 2012
From: axsaeq at samcot.ru (=?koi8-r?B?78bbz9LZ?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:11:14 +0530
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?7uHs7+fpIO7hIOvp8PLl?=
Message-ID: <855E548258D246A49989247B33C92B18@hclcd63c9f81d7>

 28 августа 2012 г.

ОФФШОРНЫЙ БИЗНЕС:  КИПР ДО И ПОСЛЕ РАТИФИКАЦИИ ПРОТОКОЛА. ДЕТАЛЬНЫЙ АНАЛИЗ И ПРАКТИКА ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИЯ.  (Налоги на Кипре – не пересекая грань между оптимизаций и уклонением. Схемы с использованием Кипрских компаний)

\Моск. код/ 792-2I-2.2 : +7 499 445Ч\О95

Цель:

Для участия мы приглашаем как слушателей, уже использующих кипрские компании в своей работе, так и тех, кто только планирует воспользоваться данным инструментом налогового планирования, конфиденциальности и защиты активов.

Содержание семинара можно разделить на блоки:

 * последствия ратификации Протокола к соглашению об избежании двойного налогообложения между РФ и Кипром;

 * практика использования и сопровождения кипрских компаний;

 * пути применения Кипра в налоговом планировании;

 * налогообложение на Кипре (с детальным рассмотрением НДС).

По мнению автора, ратификация Протокола не приведет к массовой реструктуризации или отказам от налоговых решений с использованием Кипра, поскольку данный Протокол лишь "перетасовывает" сложившиеся принципы работы. Во многих случаях оптимальным решением будет "косметическая" коррекция договорных отношений и хозяйственных операций, которой будет уделено особое внимание в рамках данного семинара.

Тщательного рассмотрения  заслуживает налоговое законодательство Кипра и его "пересечение" с российским в налоговых решениях. Например, в уставной капитал кипрских компаний можно вложить не только денежные средства, но и акции российских компаний. Налоговые последствия при этом и методика оценки вклада в натуральной форме вызывают особенно много вопросов слушателей.

При использовании кипрских компаний многие сталкиваются с проблемами в виде непредвиденных налоговых обязательств, штрафов и пеней, возникающих из-за незнания тонкостей и особенностей налоговой системы ЕС и Кипра, эволюционирующей столь же стремительно, как и российская. В рамках данного семинара будут рассмотрены детали налоговой системы Кипра, при этом особое внимание будет уделено НДС – наиболее сложному налогу, который регулируется не только местным законодательством, но и многочисленными европейскими директивами.

Не менее важны технические вопросы использования кипрских компаний. К сожалению, на практике взаимодействие с администратором, или регистрационным агентом, часто сопряжено с большим количеством трудностей, выливающимся в противостояние владельца компании и неторопливых кипрских юристов. Также многие сталкиваются с непрозрачностью ценообразования на отдельные услуги, особенно на аудит и номинальный сервис. Данный семинар поможет Вам оптимизировать свои отношения с администратором, и определить: за что, кому и когда Вы должны платить при использовании кипрских компаний.

Особенностью данного семинара является практическая направленность и отсутствие лишних теоретических и исторических отступлений. Семинар строится в форме интерактивного практического занятия при постоянном взаимодействии с аудиторией с разбором большого количества примеров и подробным описанием налоговых, финансовых и правовых последствий или рисков.

Программа:

НАЛОГИ НА КИПРЕ – НЕ ПЕРЕСЕКАЯ ГРАНЬ МЕЖДУ ОПТИМИЗАЦИЙ И УКЛОНЕНИЕМ

 * Налог на прибыль (Corporate Income Tax); предварительный налог на прибыль (Preliminary Tax); налог на оборону (Special Defence Contribution); налог на прирост капитала (Capital Gains Tax) и т.д.

 * Пути минимизации налоговых отчислений на Кипре: практические примеры и анализ ошибок

 * Налогообложение операций с ценными бумагами: пределы освобождения

 * Налоговый календарь на 2012 год: сдача отчетностей, оплата налогов и сборов

 * Изменения кипрского законодательства 2012 и тенденции 2013

 * Ратификация Протокола к Соглашению между РФ и Кипром: кто понесет убытки, а кому удастся на этом заработать?

 * Как не попасть в "петлю" негативных нововведений Протокола?

НДС ПРИ ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИИ КИПРСКИХ КОМПАНИЙ

 * Когда нужно получать номер НДС (VAT number) и можно ли это сделать в другой стране ЕС?

 * Применение механизма “reverse charge”

 * Анализ основных европейских директив на предмет определения места оказания услуг (“the place of supply”)

 * Обложение НДС услуг, оказанных через интернет (“electronically supplied services”)

 * Сложные случаи экспорта-импорта: когда возникает НДС?

 * Налоговые последствия по НДС при совершении трехсторонних сделок в ЕС (triangular operations)

 * НДС и роялти, консалтинг, маркетинг – всегда ли можно принять к вычету всю сумму входящего НДС?

СХЕМЫ С ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИЕМ КИПРСКИХ КОМПАНИЙ

 * Владение недвижимостью с использованием кипрских компаний

 * Займы: анализ правил тонкой капитализации и прочих ограничений (ст.269 НК РФ), риски и примеры ошибок

 * Роялти: риски, оптимальная величина размеров выплат, НДС, экономическое и документальное обоснование (“substance”)

 * Операции с ценными бумагами и векселями

 * ЗПИФы – применимы ли после ратификации Протокола?

 * Построение комплексной действующей холдинговой структуры и дивиденды

 * Схемы коллективных инвестиций и инвестиционные фонды на Кипре

РАБОТА С АДМИНИСТРАТОРОМ (АГЕНТОМ) И АУДИТОРОМ КИПРСКОЙ КОМПАНИИ

 * Наличие представительства администратора в Москве: преимущество или недостаток?

 * Как не дать администратору и аудитору обмануть Вас? Примеры и рекомендации

 * За что кипрские администраторы деньги брать не должны?

 * Переход к другому администратору: "подводные камни"

 * Принципы ценообразования аудиторских услуг и пути минимизации их стоимости

 * Вправе ли кипрский аудитор одновременно проверять и вести отечность?

 * Анализ среднерыночных цен и сроков оказания услуг: оцените своего администратора.

РЕАЛЬНЫЙ ОФИС НА КИПРЕ

 * Сравнение "виртуального" и реального офисов

 * Случаи, когда реальное присутствие на Кипре необходимо

 * Инструменты создания видимости контроля компании с территории Кипра

 * Наем персонала в кипрскую компанию: налоговые и практические вопросы

НОМИНАЛЬНЫЙ СЕРВИС И КОНФИДЕНЦИАЛЬНОСТЬ

 * Документы, регламентирующие возникающие отношения: на что следует обратить внимание?

 * Раскрытие информации в связи с ратификацией Протокола

 * Полномочия номинальных директоров и акционеров: где границы и кем они устанавливаются?

 * Что делать, если номинальный директор отказывается подписывать документы?

БАНКОВСКИЕ СЧЕТА

 * Анализ надежности кипрских банков на фоне ухудшения ситуации в ЕС

 * Пути снятия средств со счета кипрского банка в России

 * Раскрытие банковской тайны – факты и выводы

 * Тарифы популярных кипрский и прибалтийских банков. Использование SEPA.

 * Выплаты зарплаты путем выпуска карт к счетам в кипрских банках

Стоимость участия:  9 000 рублей

Вся информация по тел: 8 (499) ЧЧ5/Ч0*95 ; 8 (499) ЧЧ54095
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From gfoster at entersection.org  Thu Aug 23 06:19:14 2012
From: gfoster at entersection.org (Gregory Foster)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:19:14 -0500
Subject: [liberationtech] NYT Op-Doc on NSA Whistleblower William Binney
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10-minutes, well done.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/opinion/the-national-security-agencys-domestic-spying-program.html

On a related note, #CryptoParty  
<https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23cryptoparty>.
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From jstyre at eff.org  Thu Aug 23 09:54:42 2012
From: jstyre at eff.org (James S. Tyre)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:54:42 -0700
Subject: [liberationtech] NYT Op-Doc on NSA Whistleblower William Binney
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For those who may be interested, the Declarations of Bill Binney, Tom Drake and Kirk Wiebe (no relation to Rick Wiebe, one of our team lawyers) in Jewel v. NSA, our case against the government.

 

https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/binneydeclaration.pdf 

https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/drakedeclaration.pdf 

https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/wiebedeclaration.pdf

 

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From: liberationtech-bounces at lists.stanford.edu [mailto:liberationtech-bounces at lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Gregory Foster
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:19 AM
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Subject: [liberationtech] NYT Op-Doc on NSA Whistleblower William Binney

 

10-minutes, well done.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/opinion/the-national-security-agencys-domestic-spying-program.html

On a related note, #CryptoParty <https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23cryptoparty> .
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From amitchell at isipp.com  Thu Aug 23 10:16:13 2012
From: amitchell at isipp.com (Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:16:13 -0600
Subject: Copyright infringement notice
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> 
> 
> The 6 strikes system doesn't kick in til Jan 2013 AFAIK.

My understanding was that it started kicking in last month, but in any event, for whomever sent the original poster the complaint, it's clearly in effect now.

> 
> Does the legal letter make any kind of demand? Usually the sender (aka copyright troll - a technical term) will be looking for personal info to associate with the IP in order to institute a shakedown of some nature. IANAL but I believe one can wait for a subpoena, and even then it's not open and closed.

Actually under the "copyright alert" scheme, the ISPs specifically are *not* to give up personal information, they are simply to take the IP address being reported as downloading copyrighted material, and determine *internally* who the user is, and then send the user the copyright alert, *without* sharing with the accuser who the user is.  

And yes, in order to share user information forward-facing, one not only can - but one *should* - insist on a subpoena, as that will protect you from breach and invasion of privacy allegations by your own users (assuming your TOS, as it should, says something like "we will not share your private information *unless* required to by law"  (and, IAAL :-) ).

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From dragonwisard at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 13:20:28 2012
From: dragonwisard at gmail.com (Ben Mendis)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:20:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] Re: [HacDC:BOD] Inquiry from website... Byzantium
	at Occupy S17?
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Hi Ryan,

This is Ben the Pyrate. I'm glad you're interested in Project Byzantium.


On Thu, 23 Aug 2012, Ryan Bennett wrote:

> Hey There,
> Not sure if this is the proper channel to reach The Doctor, Haxwithxe, and Bed The Pyrate, but I figured I'd try.

Well you reached me, at least. I'm forwarding this on to the Project
Byzantium mailing list to bring everyone else in the loop. There is a
lot of good information in your email which I believe will be of
interest to everyone. You can join our mailing list by signing up at the
following link:

http://groups.google.com/a/hacdc.org/group/Byzantium/?hl=en

> My name is Ryan, I'm
> a member of a hackerspace in Boulder CO called Solid State Depot, and I've recently come across Byzantium through the r/darknetplan
> subreddit. I'm hoping to attend the Occupy anniversary event in NYC mid-september, and as I've long been interested in meshnets and
> decentralized communications, I'm trying to assemble a suite of tools to bring with me to the demonstration. I realize that Byzantium
> (as well as just about every other tool I've been looking at) is in super-alpha stage and not ready for primetime, but my thinking is
> that the more stress testing that can be done, the faster the project will progress. In addition, I think that Occupy would be an
> incredible place to plant seeds and get people involved and interested in the project for further applications.

I agree, that sounds like a great place to test and demonstrate a
project like Byzantium. As long as there is the understanding that
Byzantium is still in development and not ready for use in life-or-death
situations.

> I wanted to get in touch with you first to ask if anyone from HacDC will be making the trip to NYC for S17,

I am not planning on attending, but perhaps other members are? We still
have a number of v0.2a CDs left over and I would be willing to send them
up with someone so they can get into the hands of testers.

> and also to mention some of
> the other projects that I'm looking to bring with me. Perhaps this email can serve as some food for thought regarding apps that may
> make valuable additions to the Byzantium distro... Any thoughts on how I might duct-tape these projects together within the framework
> of Byzantium, or indications of severe problems with my thought process would be much appreciated, as I am very much a novice when it
> comes to the nitty-gritty of coding.
>
> Tent http://tent.io/
> "Tent is a protocol for open, decentralized social networking. Tent users share content with apps and each other. Anyone can run a Tent
> server, or write an app or alternative server implementation that uses the Tent protocol." --between Byzantium and Tent, I believe a
> core framework can be set up to allow serving over the meshnet. Forgive me if Tent is redundant to features already implimented in
> Byzantium.

Yep, we have heard about this one but so far there is no code, only some
documentation on the protocol. We're not certain wether or not this is
redundant with other solutions we have also been looking at. We are
planning to keep an eye on their developments.

>
> Forban http://www.foo.be/forban/
> "Forban is a kind of p2p (peer2peer) filesharing application for link-local and local area network. Forban works independently from
> Internet and use only the local area capabilities to announce, discover, search or share files." --Forban, at least in theory,
> automatically copies newly discovered files to a local drive from a fellow forbans /share folder. Forban's inclusion in Byzantium would
> potentially would be helpful, partly because I believe that if Forban can be installed on Android, phones can act as data bridges
> between otherwise isolated pockets of meshed laptops/netbooks by means of...

I was not aware of Forban, but it certainly does look like something
that might be useful to us. I will look into it further and perhaps we
can try it out at our development sprint this weekend.

>
> Serval  http://www.servalproject.org/
> "a mesh-based phone network between Wi-Fi enabled mobile phones," Serval allows for the creation of an ad-hoc network directly between
> phones allowing voice and text service within the mesh. Voice has a significant lag, but they have a feature in development that's
> basically an in-house version of forban for transferring files along the mesh. I'm going to send them an email to see If I can get my
> hands on it early, but failing that I need to find a way to run the forban Python script on an android in parallel with the serval mesh
> app. Serval can use either OSLR or an older version of BATMAN. If Byzantium could interact with this network in any way, I would be
> very interested.

Yes, we're aware of the Serval project and we're also eager to make sure
that our networks can interoperate seamlessly. They are doing a lot of
good work and we are keeping an eye on them as well. We may incorporate
some of their software into future versions of Byzantium.

>
> Potential Apps to run/deploy over a Byzantium mesh network
>
> Smallest Federated Wiki http://wardcunningham.github.com/ --A decentralized wiki service. Open source, might be handy to have as a
> starter app. uses JSON and Ruby.
>
> BTLIVE http://live.bittorrent.com/
> --Bittorrent style video streaming, so support for videocasting by end users yet, as this project is under development and not open
> source, but it or something like it would be of enormous value as a n app on the ground. Open source projects that might be more
> deployment friendly are 
>
> GoalBit - http://goalbit.sourceforge.net/ or FreeCast http://www.freecast.org/ --Both of these projects operate over the existing web,
> but a) implementation via byzantium would be excellent in bridging the gap between the meshnet on the ground and the greater world
> population and b) if they could be deployed over a meshnet then news could spread very fast and effectively through video from one
> corner of the network to another, keeping everyone on up to date on the latest developments.
>
> Ushahidi http://ushahidi.com/products
> "Tools for democratizing information, increasing transparency and lowering the barriers for individuals to share their stories." --This
> open-source platform allows for real-time crowdmapping and news updates from the ground to a centralized map. The usefulness of this
> as, at least in regards to Occupy, is incredible. If This platform, or something like it, could be deployed on a Byzantium node and
> federated in a way that each instance stores the mapping data and forwards it to other instances, then each pool of laptops on the
> ground can have a map of what's going on where in their immediate vicinity, plus either forwarding the data via Serval/Forban to other
> pools, or upstreaming to a Ushahidi instance that aggregates the sum on the WWW.
>

Thanks, the above projects are all very interesting and definitely
in-line with what we're trying to offer. We will try to evaluate and
intregrate these into future builds.

>
> BitCoin - http://bitcoin.org/
> -"Bitcoin is an experimental new digital currency that enables instant payments to anyone, anywhere in the world. Bitcoin uses
> peer-to-peer technology to operate with no central authority: managing transactions and issuing money are carried out collectively by
> the network. Bitcoin is also the name of the open source software which enables the use of this currency." --Might be getting a little
> ahead of myself here, but Bitcoin has a fascinating structure for currency generation and transaction. From my understanding, the
> minting of the currency is made possible by the facilitation of transactions involving existing bitcoins. As the project is
> open-source, a clone of it that could operate over a mesh-network, or a scaled down version of it that could work within Byzantium,
> could be a feasible way of facilitating bartering on the ground, first with digital services, and eventually with analog services and
> commodities.

Bitcoin is quite a fascinating idea in many ways, however I don't think
it is very relevant to Byzantium's core mission. I'm very sure it could
be operated over a mesh network like Byzanitum. However, I don't really
see how Bitcoin would be useful from an emergency response perspective.
I could be wrong and I would be glad to hear opposing arguments. However,
for now I don't think it will be part of the standard distribution. (Of
course, there's nothing stopping you from installing it yourself or
making a re-spin of our distribution.)

>
> I hope I haven't completely overloaded you with text. A lot of this is more food for thought than anything, but to whatever extent I
> can put any of this together by mid September for the Occupy event is what I'll do. I really think this would be an incredible testing
> ground for a lot of these projects, just as I think these projects would be a valuable addition to the Occupy toolbelt. I'll be getting
> in contact with the teams working on each of them over the next several days with similar emails outlining the suite of tools I have in
> mind, and encouraging them to support operability over the Babel protocol used in Byzantium. Hopefully all you brilliant folks can find
> a way to make your software work together. It may even be worth reaching out to them directly. I understand that open-source projects
> are often done in spare time on shoestring budgets though, so I don't expect all of this just handed to me because I wrote an email. If
> all you can do is wish me good luck, I'll take that too.

We are currently doing our best to reach out to other mesh networking
projects and communities to collaborate on a set of standards and best
practices for interoperability. We are working on a proposal which will
be presenting in early October. Byzantium is somewhat narrowly focused
on one piece of the problem-set, so we are eager to collabroate with
complimentary projects who are solving other pieces (such as Serval and
Commotion Wireless). However, we are currently working in our spare time
on almost no budget so don't expect overnight progress.

Our next release won't happen for several months so the v0.2a release
will still be the most current version in mid-September. We don't have
the resource to make an updated release for S17. Even if we did, there
haven't been any significant changes to warrant it.

Good luck, and please let us know how Byzanitum does "in the field". We
are always eager to see user feedback and bug reports.

>
> Once again, let me know  if anyone from HacDC or the Byzantium project is planning to attent S17 in NYC, as I'd love the chance to meet
> up and do some old school analog social networking.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Ryan
>
>

Thank you,
Ben the Pyrate

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From ei8fdb at ei8fdb.org  Thu Aug 23 08:56:57 2012
From: ei8fdb at ei8fdb.org (Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:56:57 +0100
Subject: [liberationtech] TeliaSonera and Azerbaijan, Belarus and Uzbekistan
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Some wonderful quotes from Mr. Nyberg:

"the company itself could not solve the underlying problem that undemocratic governments could abuse their  legal right to access and shut down telecoms networks"

"We need help from national and international organisations whether that be the UN, EU, (or) NGOs if we are going to make any significant impact on human rights"

"If we experience a situation where under a certain government there are serious breaches of human rights on a regular basis ... we must be ready to have a debate in the company whether we should be in that country or not"

Telecoms firm TeliaSonera to focus more on human rights
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/08/23/uk-telia-responsibility-idUKBRE87M0LC20120823

(Reuters) - TeliaSonera (TLSN.ST), burnt by charges it cooperated with authoritarian governments, said on Thursday it would focus more on human rights issues where it operates and is eying Myanmar as a possible target for expansion.

The Nordic and emerging markets telecoms group, in which Sweden has a 37 percent stake, came under scathing criticism earlier this year for allowing authorities in Azerbaijan, Belarus and Uzbekistan to access its network to keep tabs on anti-government activists.

CEO Lars Nyberg said Telia, which has businesses across central Asia as well as the Nordic and Baltic regions, would take measures to bolster the protection of freedom of expression and privacy.

Requests from governments to close sites or networks would now be dealt with at board level not nationally, he said.

Telia will also cooperate with 10 other companies - including Alcatel-Lucent (ALUA.PA), France Telecom (FTE.PA), Nokia Siemens Networks NOKI.UL Vodafone (VOD.L), AT&T (T.N) and Telefonica (TEF.MC) - to draw up rules on how telecoms firms implement the United Nation's guidelines for preserving privacy and freedom of expression.

Although Telia is not considering withdrawing from any of the countries in which it operates and has management control, it would have to consider that possibility if the situation merited it, Nyberg said.

"If we experience a situation where under a certain government there are serious breaches of human rights on a regular basis ... we must be ready to have a debate in the company whether we should be in that country or not," Nyberg said.

Telia has been in hot water again in recent days after its daughter company in Tajikistan blocked news sites at the request of the government.

Nyberg said the company itself could not solve the underlying problem that undemocratic governments could abuse their legal right to access and shut down telecoms networks.

"We need help from national and international organisations whether that be the UN, EU, (or) NGOs if we are going to make any significant impact on human rights," he said.

Telia said criticism of its actions in central Asia has not undermined the company in countries without full democracy and where telecoms markets are set to develop fast.

Nyberg said that Telia was looking at the possibility of entering the market in Myanmar where, after decades of military rule, the government has introduced sweeping reforms, including allowing elections, easing rules on protests and censorship and freeing dissidents.

Nyberg said the developments were such that Telia could now consider operating in the country, where the telecoms network for the country's 60 million people is barely developed.

"Two years ago I would never have thought that we could even think about going into Myanmar," he said. "But what has happened in Myanmar over the last 18 months allows us to consider if we could do something in Myanmar."

(Reporting by Simon Johnson and Olof Swahnberg; Editing by David Cowell)

Some history on the story:

TeliaSonera 'profits by helping dictators spy'
http://www.thelocal.se/40334/20120418/

"The Black Boxes" - How Teliasonera Sells to Dictatorships (Swedish TV Uppdrag Granskning Mission investigation) (VIDEO)
http://archive.org/details/theBlackBoxes-HowTeliasoneraSellsToDictatorshipsuppdragGranskning

Teliasonera i hemligt samarbete med diktaturer (Swedish only)
http://www.svt.se/ug/teliasonera-i-hemligt-samarbete-med-diktaturer



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From m0nk.omg.pwnies at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 19:03:14 2012
From: m0nk.omg.pwnies at gmail.com (m0nk)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] Collaboration?
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So I'm way late to the game on this but I was wondering if there is 
something we could do to collaborate on mesh projects.  It seems there are 
way to many splinter groups wanting the same thing but are slightly too 
divergent to combine.

I just spoke @ DefCon XX with my Android Mesh project: SPAN
More info here:
http://youtu.be/RrI3MUnExJM

In a nutshell, we have injected transparent proxies into the smart phones 
below the network stack to control routing.  This allows us to be just 
another network interface and all apps behave as normal.

anyway, is there interest in chatting / sharing?  We are open source and 
are mostly interested in routing protocols and security, the initial mesh 
implementation was more of a platform to allo my team to explore these 
things easily.

Thanks!
m0nk

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From bombastry at eclosiond.com  Fri Aug 24 00:13:30 2012
From: bombastry at eclosiond.com (=?koi8-r?B?887J2tggzsHMz8fJ?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:13:30 -0800
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 28 августа 2012 г.

ОФФШОРНЫЙ БИЗНЕС:  КИПР ДО И ПОСЛЕ РАТИФИКАЦИИ ПРОТОКОЛА. ДЕТАЛЬНЫЙ АНАЛИЗ И ПРАКТИКА ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИЯ.  (Налоги на Кипре √ не пересекая грань между оптимизаций и уклонением. Схемы с использованием Кипрских компаний)

\Моск. код/ 7922I22 и 8 (499) Ч45Ч095

Цель:

Для участия мы приглашаем как слушателей, уже использующих кипрские компании в своей работе, так и тех, кто только планирует воспользоваться данным инструментом налогового планирования, конфиденциальности и защиты активов.

Содержание семинара можно разделить на блоки:

 * последствия ратификации Протокола к соглашению об избежании двойного налогообложения между РФ и Кипром;

 * практика использования и сопровождения кипрских компаний;

 * пути применения Кипра в налоговом планировании;

 * налогообложение на Кипре (с детальным рассмотрением НДС).

По мнению автора, ратификация Протокола не приведет к массовой реструктуризации или отказам от налоговых решений с использованием Кипра, поскольку данный Протокол лишь "перетасовывает" сложившиеся принципы работы. Во многих случаях оптимальным решением будет "косметическая" коррекция договорных отношений и хозяйственных операций, которой будет уделено особое внимание в рамках данного семинара.

Тщательного рассмотрения  заслуживает налоговое законодательство Кипра и его "пересечение" с российским в налоговых решениях. Например, в уставной капитал кипрских компаний можно вложить не только денежные средства, но и акции российских компаний. Налоговые последствия при этом и методика оценки вклада в натуральной форме вызывают особенно много вопросов слушателей.

При использовании кипрских компаний многие сталкиваются с проблемами в виде непредвиденных налоговых обязательств, штрафов и пеней, возникающих из-за незнания тонкостей и особенностей налоговой системы ЕС и Кипра, эволюционирующей столь же стремительно, как и российская. В рамках данного семинара будут рассмотрены детали налоговой системы Кипра, при этом особое внимание будет уделено НДС √ наиболее сложному налогу, который регулируется не только местным законодательством, но и многочисленными европейскими директивами.

Не менее важны технические вопросы использования кипрских компаний. К сожалению, на практике взаимодействие с администратором, или регистрационным агентом, часто сопряжено с большим количеством трудностей, выливающимся в противостояние владельца компании и неторопливых кипрских юристов. Также многие сталкиваются с непрозрачностью ценообразования на отдельные услуги, особенно на аудит и номинальный сервис. Данный семинар поможет Вам оптимизировать свои отношения с администратором, и определить: за что, кому и когда Вы должны платить при использовании кипрских компаний.

Особенностью данного семинара является практическая направленность и отсутствие лишних теоретических и исторических отступлений. Семинар строится в форме интерактивного практического занятия при постоянном взаимодействии с аудиторией с разбором большого количества примеров и подробным описанием налоговых, финансовых и правовых последствий или рисков.

Программа:

НАЛОГИ НА КИПРЕ √ НЕ ПЕРЕСЕКАЯ ГРАНЬ МЕЖДУ ОПТИМИЗАЦИЙ И УКЛОНЕНИЕМ

 * Налог на прибыль (Corporate Income Tax); предварительный налог на прибыль (Preliminary Tax); налог на оборону (Special Defence Contribution); налог на прирост капитала (Capital Gains Tax) и т.д.

 * Пути минимизации налоговых отчислений на Кипре: практические примеры и анализ ошибок

 * Налогообложение операций с ценными бумагами: пределы освобождения

 * Налоговый календарь на 2012 год: сдача отчетностей, оплата налогов и сборов

 * Изменения кипрского законодательства 2012 и тенденции 2013

 * Ратификация Протокола к Соглашению между РФ и Кипром: кто понесет убытки, а кому удастся на этом заработать?

 * Как не попасть в "петлю" негативных нововведений Протокола?

НДС ПРИ ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИИ КИПРСКИХ КОМПАНИЙ

 * Когда нужно получать номер НДС (VAT number) и можно ли это сделать в другой стране ЕС?

 * Применение механизма ⌠reverse charge■

 * Анализ основных европейских директив на предмет определения места оказания услуг (⌠the place of supply■)

 * Обложение НДС услуг, оказанных через интернет (⌠electronically supplied services■)

 * Сложные случаи экспорта-импорта: когда возникает НДС?

 * Налоговые последствия по НДС при совершении трехсторонних сделок в ЕС (triangular operations)

 * НДС и роялти, консалтинг, маркетинг √ всегда ли можно принять к вычету всю сумму входящего НДС?

СХЕМЫ С ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИЕМ КИПРСКИХ КОМПАНИЙ

 * Владение недвижимостью с использованием кипрских компаний

 * Займы: анализ правил тонкой капитализации и прочих ограничений (ст.269 НК РФ), риски и примеры ошибок

 * Роялти: риски, оптимальная величина размеров выплат, НДС, экономическое и документальное обоснование (⌠substance■)

 * Операции с ценными бумагами и векселями

 * ЗПИФы √ применимы ли после ратификации Протокола?

 * Построение комплексной действующей холдинговой структуры и дивиденды

 * Схемы коллективных инвестиций и инвестиционные фонды на Кипре

РАБОТА С АДМИНИСТРАТОРОМ (АГЕНТОМ) И АУДИТОРОМ КИПРСКОЙ КОМПАНИИ

 * Наличие представительства администратора в Москве: преимущество или недостаток?

 * Как не дать администратору и аудитору обмануть Вас? Примеры и рекомендации

 * За что кипрские администраторы деньги брать не должны?

 * Переход к другому администратору: "подводные камни"

 * Принципы ценообразования аудиторских услуг и пути минимизации их стоимости

 * Вправе ли кипрский аудитор одновременно проверять и вести отечность?

 * Анализ среднерыночных цен и сроков оказания услуг: оцените своего администратора.

РЕАЛЬНЫЙ ОФИС НА КИПРЕ

 * Сравнение "виртуального" и реального офисов

 * Случаи, когда реальное присутствие на Кипре необходимо

 * Инструменты создания видимости контроля компании с территории Кипра

 * Наем персонала в кипрскую компанию: налоговые и практические вопросы

НОМИНАЛЬНЫЙ СЕРВИС И КОНФИДЕНЦИАЛЬНОСТЬ

 * Документы, регламентирующие возникающие отношения: на что следует обратить внимание?

 * Раскрытие информации в связи с ратификацией Протокола

 * Полномочия номинальных директоров и акционеров: где границы и кем они устанавливаются?

 * Что делать, если номинальный директор отказывается подписывать документы?

БАНКОВСКИЕ СЧЕТА

 * Анализ надежности кипрских банков на фоне ухудшения ситуации в ЕС

 * Пути снятия средств со счета кипрского банка в России

 * Раскрытие банковской тайны √ факты и выводы

 * Тарифы популярных кипрский и прибалтийских банков. Использование SEPA.

 * Выплаты зарплаты путем выпуска карт к счетам в кипрских банках

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From m0nk.omg.pwnies at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 23:27:00 2012
From: m0nk.omg.pwnies at gmail.com (monk dot)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:27:00 -0400
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] Collaboration?
Message-ID: <mailman.3690.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

The serval project is really cool, and I like it a ton.  The problem I have
is that they still force the end user to run custom software written for
the mesh.  That is the main reason we went with a transparent proxy at a
low layer in the android stack. It's still an offshoot of OLSRd, and though
routing is improved I still think we can do better.  By we I mean the
community, not me personally. (I have ideas, but by no means to I presume
to be smarter than anyone)

We are on the github @: https://github.com/monk-dot

I honestly have little ego in this and don't really care if our project
takes off... What I really want is for Mesh networking to be a viable and
reliable alternative to what is out there now.

I don't like infrastructure that dies, I don't like governmental ability to
shut down the internet, I don't like subway stations not having
connections.... I don't see a point to it anymore.  We should be help and
not hindered by technology.

I am speaking @ DerbyCon in Louisville, KY about our project soon, but what
I really want to talk about is why we need mesh networks and how to get
there.  Again, I honestly don't care who "wins", I just want a mesh that I
can use.  If it's yours thats awesome, if it's mine thats awesome (but more
work for me), if it's someone we don't know yet that also awesome (to me).

I'm hoping we can share our routing insight with the community at large.
 We have a nice niche space (lots of extra sensors and info) in smart
phone/mobile that desktops and the like don't have.

My real personal interest for research is in routing protocols, mesh
leveling power and bandwidth consumption, porting BitTorrent to the mesh so
we can use the entire network as a redundant RAID device...

Please let me know how I can help and contribute besides simply
evangelizing the concepts and benefits.  They seem so self evident to me at
this point...

thanks!

m0nk


On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Ben Mendis <ben.mendis at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi m0nk,
>
> I agree that it looks like your project is complementary to what we're
> working on. And you're right, it would be great if more mesh projects could
> work together. We are actually headed to Barcelona in October to attend the
> International Summit for Community Wireless Networks (
> http://wirelesssummit.org/). We will be presenting our proposal for
> inter-mesh interoperability and seeking feedback from other, most
> established mesh networking projects and communities. We are hoping to
> build out the necessary standards and best practices to allow all of the
> different projects who are working in this problem space to work with each
> other rather than compete against each other.
>
> Until we have those standards ironed out, you can still design your
> network to be interop-ready by conforming to the same BSSID value used by
> Project Byzantium and Commotion Wireless: 02:CA:FF:EE:BA:BE. This will put
> your nodes on the same ad-hoc cell meaning that devices will be able to
> hear each other, from there it's just a matter of negotiating a common mesh
> routing protocol and addressing scheme.
>
>
> https://github.com/Byzantium/Byzantium/wiki/Setting-up-a-mesh-node-without-byzantium.
>
> Having watched your youtube video, I'm curious how you would
> compare/contrast your SPAN project to the Serval Project (
> http://www.servalproject.org/). It seems like your proposal is very
> similar to what they are working on.
>
> I look forward to working with you on this important problem space.
> Best regards,
> Ben the Pyrate
>
>
> On 08/23/2012 10:03 PM, m0nk wrote:
>
> So I'm way late to the game on this but I was wondering if there is
> something we could do to collaborate on mesh projects.  It seems there are
> way to many splinter groups wanting the same thing but are slightly too
> divergent to combine.
>
>  I just spoke @ DefCon XX with my Android Mesh project: SPAN
> More info here:
> http://youtu.be/RrI3MUnExJM
>
>  In a nutshell, we have injected transparent proxies into the smart
> phones below the network stack to control routing.  This allows us to be
> just another network interface and all apps behave as normal.
>
>  anyway, is there interest in chatting / sharing?  We are open source and
> are mostly interested in routing protocols and security, the initial mesh
> implementation was more of a platform to allo my team to explore these
> things easily.
>
>  Thanks!
> m0nk
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From mikeperry at torproject.org  Fri Aug 24 15:12:42 2012
From: mikeperry at torproject.org (Mike Perry)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:12:42 -0700
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
Message-ID: <mailman.3691.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Thus spake Ted Smith (tedks at riseup.net):

> On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 10:33 +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> > Hello gentlemen,
> <snip>
> > [1] http://pastebin.com/hgtXMSyx
> 
> I ran this script on the current consensus. The full results (the
> nodes-sniff-summary file) are below my signature. How did you compile
> the country-codes to IPs list? That wasn't produced by the script.
> 
> It's comforting that this approach yields quickly diminishing returns.
> Going from 25 to 60 networks only gets you a 10% increase in networks
> surveillance (if I'm reading the output correctly), and returns plateau
> entirely at that point (I'm considering about two percent to be in the
> noise, which may not be appropriate to this domain).
> 
> Also, it's not immediately clear whether eavesdropping those networks
> would actually get you strong enough correlation to accurately
> de-anonymize users[1]. If our rodent(?) friend(s?) could comment on
> this, I'd appreciate their expertise.

The Raccoon has made a believer out of me, but there are some limits to
both of his/her proofs.. The full proofs can still be found here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100416150300/http://archives.seul.org/or/dev/Sep-2008/msg00016.html
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2012-March/003347.html

The actual numbers from the examples of the first proof are affected by
the resolution of the data retention. The core concept of the proof
seems to hold no matter what (that full dragnet n^2 correlation is hard,
and the amount of similar co-incident traffic - aka the base rate - is
what makes it hard), but if the adversary has full observation of *all*
traffic data, they *might* be able to do better than 99.9% true positive
rate. It's not clear that low-resolution connection-level data retention
or even sampled netflow data can provide anywhere near that true
positive rate, though.

A full adversary may also get to combine repeat observations (assuming
it is possible to identify them as from the same user), but the post
mentions that.

Incidentally, my guess is that's probably one of the reasons for the
huge boondoggle^W datacenter in Utah. They probably realized that to
reliably track large botnet activity, they really needed to log all data
forever. Well, keep sitting on the unpublished 0day software
vulnerabilities, guys. That should totally help you solve both those
problems, once and for all. Oh wait. ;)

Anyways, the key thing I think the first proof tells us is that even
sloppy defenses against correlation attacks are likely to work against
dragnet surveillance/data retention, especially if you have a lot of
co-incident traffic to blend in with and if the data retention
resolution is low.

I think this alone can justify experimentation with traffic padding
to/from Guard nodes, where bandwidth is relatively cheap and plentiful.
It especially justifies minimal amounts of Guard node padding to defend
against the single-ended version of the end-to-end correlation attack,
which is also known as the "website traffic fingerprinting attack". The
single ended version is even *more* vulnerable to the properties of
background traffic than the double-ended version, and has far fewer
reliably recognizable traffic features to extract from data streams as
well. See this blog post and its links for more details:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/experimental-defense-website-traffic-fingerprinting 

It's my personal opinion that we should also experiment with Guard
padding against the website traffic fingerprinting attack, and see
how far that gets us against e2e correlation while we're at it.

Unfortunately, current academic religious dogma tends to hold that
correlation is unbeatable no matter what. This publication and research
bias already has hindered and will likely continue to hinder research
into viable defenses :(.


The second proof wrt tagging attacks scared the crap out of me. However,
the "c/n" compromise result at the end hinges crucially on nodes that
fail circuits being able to attract additional traffic to make up for
it. The bandwidth authorities might do this to a certain extent
currently, and will certainly do it if operated in "PID feedback mode".
However it's still not clear that the 3 guard node round-robin circuit
selection properties of Tor wouldn't end up also hampering the attack
against specific clients (unless the Guard nodes' keys were stolen and
the attack is locally targeted).

Either way, it's caused me to drive Nick nuts by pushing hard to include
at least *some* kind of simple defense for circuit failure attacks on
the client-side. How much of that actually survives in 0.2.3.x in a
functional form remains to be seen :/.



P.S. Incidentally, you used to be able to get the full copy of the first
proof in the old seul archives at
http://archives.seul.org/or/dev/Sep-2008/msg00016.html, but since seul
is currently down with unknown hardware and disk issues,
http://web.archive.org/web/20100416150300/http://archives.seul.org/or/dev/Sep-2008/msg00016.html
might be the last full public copy other than your repost. I've added
the Raccoon on Cc so s/he can hopefully do a full repost if the seul
archives end up being destroyed forever.


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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Aug 24 09:45:26 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:45:26 +0200
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] Collaboration?
Message-ID: <20120824164526.GQ12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Aug 24 09:56:13 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:56:13 +0200
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] Collaboration?
Message-ID: <20120824165613.GS12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Aug 24 10:15:19 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:15:19 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] Introducing 'Tent' - The decentralized social
  web
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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Aug 24 12:22:00 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:22:00 +0200
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] Re: [HacDC:BOD] Inquiry from website... 
  Byzantium at Occupy S17?
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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Aug 24 13:23:53 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:23:53 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] The Dictator's Practical Guide to Internet
  Power 	Retention, Global Edition - Boing Boing
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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:36:52 +0200
Subject: Copyright infringement notice
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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Aug 24 13:37:33 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:37:33 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] NYT Op-Doc on NSA Whistleblower William
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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:47:46 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] NYT Op-Doc on NSA Whistleblower William Binney
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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:59:09 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] TeliaSonera and Azerbaijan, Belarus and
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From mk at dee.su  Fri Aug 24 16:51:29 2012
From: mk at dee.su (Maxim Kammerer)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 02:51:29 +0300
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
Message-ID: <mailman.3692.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Mike Perry <mikeperry at torproject.org> wrote:
> The Raccoon has made a believer out of me, but there are some limits to
> both of his/her proofs.. The full proofs can still be found here:
> http://web.archive.org/web/20100416150300/http://archives.seul.org/or/dev/Sep-2008/msg00016.html

Wrt. the first proof, it seems to me that the assumed correlation
accuracy rate of 99.9% is incredibly low, and I think that the Raccoon
recognized that by referring to sampling and retention at the end of
his post. With the targeted attack that's similar to bExample 3b in
Raccoon's post that I described in my previous comment here, where one
analyzes all exit traffic without missing packets, I would expect the
correlation accuracy (and as a result, match confidence) to
exponentially approach 100% very quickly with the number of relevant
packets seen, and extremely quickly if the traffic is interactive
(i.e., browsing).

Actually, c/n of 30% in bExample 3b is close to the 25% that's
discussed in the OP here, so let's redo the example with c/n=25% and
different correlation accuracies (leaving the other numbers intact):

(using bbc -lb)
ca  = 0.999
pm  = (1/5000) * (0.25)^2
ca*pm / (pm*ca + (1-pm)*(1-ca))

ca  = 0.999
.01233363786760166917
ca = 0.9999
.11110246894375430565
ca = 0.99999
.55555617284636495961
ca = 0.999999
.92592671467910125759
ca = 0.9999999
.99206358969515668554
ca = 0.99999999
.99920064946444143613
ca = 0.999999999
.99992000739924807495

So reducing correlation accuracy error to 10^-9 will give you 99.99%
confidence in end-to-end correlation match. I suspect that a few
seconds of interactive traffic will give you a correlation accuracy
that's much better than a 10^-9 error.

-- 
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From bs.gifo at plitainfo.ru  Sat Aug 25 08:59:33 2012
From: bs.gifo at plitainfo.ru (=?koi8-r?B?68HLIM3P1s7PINXK1Mkgz9Qg7uTz?=)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:59:33 -0800
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?7sXEz8LSz9PP18XT1M7ZxSDQz9PUwdfdycvJLiDrwcsgzc/Wzs8g1crU?=
	=?koi8-r?B?ySDP1CDu5PMgwsXaINDP08zFxNPU18nK?=
Message-ID: <000d01cd82d2$3c69eb90$6400a8c0@bs.gifo>

   28 августа 2012г.

Недобросовестные поставщики. Как сохранить вычеты, уйти от ответственности

(код Москвы) 792/2I22 и 8 (495) 792.21.22

Цель:

Курс даст слушателям ответ на то, как правильно заключать договоры и что делать, если он ошибся, но при этом хотел бы сохранить свои налоговые обязательства без изменений. Слушатели будут точно знать что и как отвечать налоговой инспекции в случае проверки таких контрагентов. Поймут, как можно уйти от НДС без последствий.

Программа:

*  Установление предмета доказывания по делам о признании налоговой выгоды необоснованной. Рассмотрение необходимость установления реального ущерба бюджету. Установление размера требований по подобным делам. Взыскание всех ранее заявленных вычетов и расходов как нарушение принципа соразмерности и справедливости. Анализ аналогичной практики Европейского Суда.

*  Рассмотрение комплекса мер применяемых для проявления надлежащей осмотрительности и осторожности при выборе контрагента. Обоснование позиции, что фактически можно практически ничего не проверять.

*  Анализ требований по проверке контрагента предъявляемые налоговым органом без оснований.

*  Методические указания Минфина о назначении выездных налоговых проверок (включая Приказ ФНС от 22.09.10 ╧ ММB-7-2/461@, Приказ УФНС по г. Москве от 1 сентября 2008 г ╧409 и др.).

*  Методические указания Минфина по поиску недобросовестных контрагентов. Рассмотрение мер, которые планирует принять Минфин, Минюст по борьбе с однодневками.

*  Как защититься от претензий налогового органа о том, что контрагент:

*  Разбор основных ошибок допускаемых налоговыми органами в процессе доказывания получение налоговый выгоды (встречные проверки реально не проводятся, а данные берется из компьютерной системы учета, вместо допросов проводиться опрос, вместо экспертизы получаются заключения специалиста и т.п.). Как использовать ошибки (подробно).

*  Рассмотрение комплекса мер в целях защиты от незаконных допросов, осмотров, выемок, экспертиз и т.п. Анализ норм НК, АПК, судебной практики по оспариванию мероприятий налогового контроля.

*  Создание преюдиции для доказывания реальности сделки.

*  Способ ухода от признания налоговой выгоды необоснованной при заключении договоров с поставщиками при помощи посредника. Как построить договор, чтобы претензии по поставщикам нельзя было предъявить.

*  Уход от уплаты НДС с наценки путем:

*  Кто отвечает за работу с недобросовестными контрагентами (директор или бухгалтер) и в какой части. Рассмотрение основных законодательных инициатив и принятых в последнее время законов, направленных на борьбу с ╚однодневками╩.

*  Анализ гражданско-правовой ответственности за работу с ╚однодневками╩ возлагаемой на директора в рамках закона о несостоятельности.

*  Потеря документов по недобросовестным поставщикам. Налоговые последствия. Указания Минфина по привлечению к ответственности в таком случае. Способ защиты от налоговых претензий.

*  Анализ возможности рассмотрения любого налогового спора в Арбитражном суде г. Москвы, как способ обойти негативную практику конкретного региона.

*  Изменение практики компенсации судебных издержек.

*  Ответы на индивидуальные вопросы.


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From brunetka113 at ruremont.ru  Sat Aug 25 00:13:45 2012
From: brunetka113 at ruremont.ru (=?koi8-r?B?7s/X2cog2sHLz84gzyDC1cjV3sXUxQ==?=)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:43:45 +0530
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   28 августа 2012 г.

Новый закон "О бухгалтерском учете"

+7 499 445\ЧО*95 ; код (495) - 7_42/91.98

Цель:

Новый закон "О бухгалтерском учете" вступает в силу с 2013 года. Подготовка к применению требований закона займет  много времени, поэтому начинать освоение новых норм нужно заранее. Минфин РФ спланировал разработку основных нормативных документов по бухгалтерскому учету и внедрение в России МСФО до 2015 года. Разберемся в  новых правилах, которые уже приняты и к тех, принятие которых √ дело ближайшего будущего.

Программа:
1. Правовой контекст, в котором будет действовать новый закон "О бухгалтерском учете": глобальная реформа бухучета, ее стратегия и направления в ближайшем будущем; рост значения бухгалтерского учета; сближение бухгалтерского и налогового учетов за счет грядущих изменений в НК РФ.

2. Сфера применения закона:

  * Отмена освобождения от ведения учета плательщиков УСН с 2013 года, постановка учета "упрощенцами", возможности упростить бухучет и сблизить его с налоговым.

  * Обязательно ли ведение бухучета самозанятыми гражданами (ИП, адвокатами, учредившими адвокатские кабинеты, нотариусами и иными лицами, занимающимися частной практикой) с 2013 года?

  * Филиалы и представительства иностранных компаний √ обязанности по ведению бухучета по российским стандартам в качестве вспомогательного с 2013 года.

3. Объекты бухгалтерского учета: новые доминанты. Обязательный учет всех фактов хозяйственной жизни (в том числе, при недостаточности информации и отсутствии первичных документов): как это сделать практически? Денежное измерение объектов бухгалтерского учета (сравним подход с правилами оценки в налоговом учете).

4. Организация ведения бухучета на предприятии. Бухгалтерская служба или аутсорсинг? Может ли руководитель совмещать должность главбуха по новому закону? Каковы новые требования к главному бухгалтеру или аутсорсеру (образование, стаж работы и т.п.)? Новые критерии повышения квалификации бухгалтеров.

5. Новые грани ответственности главного бухгалтера. Новые риски аутсорсера в связи законом ╧ 402-ФЗ.

6. Закон о бухгалтерском документообороте:

  * Первичная документация по-новому. Готовимся к вступлению нового закона в силу заранее. Возможен ли отказ от унифицированных форм первичной документации и в какой степени он оправдан на практике? Обязательна ли печать на первичных документах? Возможности использования факсимильной подписи на первичном документе в 2013 году. Возможности внедрения и развития электронного документооборота.

  * Новые требования к учетным регистрам.

  * Бухгалтерская отчетность по-новому. Состав отчетности Требование нового законодательства по адаптации форм отчетности для нужд организации, рекомендации по такой адаптации. Новые адреса и периодичность представления отчетности с 2013 года. Когда согласно новому закону бухгалтерская отчетность считается составленной? Новые правила публикации отчетности с 2013 года.

  * Правила хранения бухгалтерской документации на основании закона.

7. Требование закона к организации внутреннего контроля совершаемых фактов хозяйственной жизни, а также ведения бухгалтерского учета и составления бухгалтерской (финансовой) отчетности. Как составить процедуры контроля и реализовать их?


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From mikeperry at torproject.org  Sat Aug 25 18:11:46 2012
From: mikeperry at torproject.org (Mike Perry)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:11:46 -0700
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
Message-ID: <mailman.3693.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Thus spake Maxim Kammerer (mk at dee.su):

> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Mike Perry <mikeperry at torproject.org> wrote:
> > The Raccoon has made a believer out of me, but there are some limits to
> > both of his/her proofs.. The full proofs can still be found here:
> > http://web.archive.org/web/20100416150300/http://archives.seul.org/or/dev/Sep-2008/msg00016.html
> 
> Wrt. the first proof, it seems to me that the assumed correlation
> accuracy rate of 99.9% is incredibly low, and I think that the Raccoon
> recognized that by referring to sampling and retention at the end of
> his post. With the targeted attack that's similar to bExample 3b in
> Raccoon's post that I described in my previous comment here, where one
> analyzes all exit traffic without missing packets, I would expect the
> correlation accuracy (and as a result, match confidence) to
> exponentially approach 100% very quickly with the number of relevant
> packets seen, and extremely quickly if the traffic is interactive
> (i.e., browsing).
> 
> Actually, c/n of 30% in bExample 3b is close to the 25% that's
> discussed in the OP here, so let's redo the example with c/n=25% and
> different correlation accuracies (leaving the other numbers intact):
> 
> (using bbc -lb)
> ca  = 0.999
> pm  = (1/5000) * (0.25)^2
> ca*pm / (pm*ca + (1-pm)*(1-ca))
> 
> ca  = 0.999
> .01233363786760166917
> ca = 0.9999
> .11110246894375430565
> ca = 0.99999
> .55555617284636495961
> ca = 0.999999
> .92592671467910125759
> ca = 0.9999999
> .99206358969515668554
> ca = 0.99999999
> .99920064946444143613
> ca = 0.999999999
> .99992000739924807495
> 
> So reducing correlation accuracy error to 10^-9 will give you 99.99%
> confidence in end-to-end correlation match. I suspect that a few
> seconds of interactive traffic will give you a correlation accuracy
> that's much better than a 10^-9 error.

Well, the argument over correlation accuracy comes down to observation
resolution, feature extraction ability, and academic lab conditions
versus reality. For an example, let's assume that the adversary cannot
see inside of Guard TLS connections. With this assumption: if at any
point there's concurrent Guard TLS activity from a single client (either
other circuit activity, directory fetch activity, or circuit
pre-building activity), then some or all of your fine-grained timing and
size information features go out the window.

To see the effects of this currently, consider: Is it *really* the case
that only one connection in *a billion* experiences incidental
concurrent activity that interferes with or obliterates high-resolution
feature extraction? I think the actual rate of random (or deliberate)
concurrent activity is much higher than that, especially for heavily
used tor clients, and even more so if they are serving as bridges or
relays. 

But, against high-resolution adversaries, the really interesting
question is: How little real cover traffic is actually needed to obscure
timing and size information to the point where the remaining features
are insufficient for high rates of correlation success? And over how
many observations can such activity be expected to survive for a given
base rate of similar activity?

I suspect that for relatively short-lived bursts of traffic like web
site views and random webapp AJAX activity, we can actually do pretty
well with very little effort and overhead. Especially against the
one-ended version of the correlation attack: the website fingerprinting
attack, but probably against both.

But for long-lived or otherwise atypical connections, you're absolutely
right. There's just a whole lot of information encoded there.. Almost
any level of observation will likely be able to correlate such flows
eventually, and it's also hard to imagine generalized padding techniques
that could blend these flows with web traffic.

Unfortunately, because academia has mostly concluded that this work is
uninteresting and that all forms of this problem are generally
"impossible", we have no solid answers to these types of questions wrt
what can be done in practice. Perhaps it is merely because defense
work is less sexy than attack work when it comes to getting
publications. I don't know for sure. I haven't yet figured out exactly
why CS academia is broken. There's a whole lot of symptoms, though...

But anyway, failing real research, there's always the botnets, the drug
war, and the aliens to guide us... Can I get three cheers for Big Data?
After all, I'm sure we can trust Them to tell us how the science shakes
out in the end, amirite? ;).


-- 
Mike Perry



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From virtualadept at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 19:24:57 2012
From: virtualadept at gmail.com (Bryce Lynch)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:24:57 -0400
Subject: [ZS] Project RES: #cryptoparties
Message-ID: <mailman.3694.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

In response to Australia's new data rentention laws, Telecomix has
begun spreading the meme and organizing cryptoparties - parties at
which privacy, anonymity, and cryptographic technologies are taught to
all and sundry - around the world.  I would recommend that, as part of
the privacy and anonymity parts of RES everyone look around for
cryptoparties being held in their local areas and attending to receive
training.  I'm organizing one in the DC metroplex, most likely at
HacDC for early September.

Realtime updates: https://twitter.com/#!/search/?q=%23CryptoParty&src=hash

The wiki is a little thin at the moment but people are beginning to
capture information about local parties there:
http://www.cryptoparty.org/wiki/CryptoParty

-- 
The Doctor [412/724/301/703] [ZS]
https://drwho.virtadpt.net/
"I am everywhere."

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From udhay at pobox.com  Sat Aug 25 20:05:21 2012
From: udhay at pobox.com (Udhay Shankar N)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:35:21 +0530
Subject: [silk] Fwd: Role of the US Tech Companies in Government Surveillance: A Lecture by Christopher Soghoian b Centre for Internet and Society
Message-ID: <mailman.3695.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

For those in Bangalore, this sounds like fun.

Udhay

http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/role-of-us-tech-companies-in-govt-surveillance

Role of the US Tech Companies in Government Surveillance: A Lecture by
Christopher Soghoian

Christopher Soghoian will deliver a lecture on the role US tech
companies play in assisting government surveillance at the Centre for
Internet & Society office in Bangalore on August 27, 2012.

When Aug 27, 2012
from 05:00 PM to 07:00 PM
Where The Centre for Internet & Society, Bangalore


Your internet, phone and web application providers are all, for the
most part, in bed with US and other foreign government agencies. They
all routinely disclose their customers' communications and other
private data to law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Worse,
firms like Google and Microsoft specifically log data in order to
assist the government. How many government requests does your ISP get
for its customers' communications each year? How many do they comply
with? How many do they fight? How much do they charge for the
surveillance assistance they provide? Who knows? Most companies have a
strict policy of not discussing such topics.

The differences in the privacy practices of the major players in the
telecommunications and internet applications market are significant.
Some firms retain identifying data for years, while others retain no
data at all; some voluntarily provide the government access to user
data, while other companies refuse to voluntarily disclose data
without a court order; some companies charge government agencies when
they request user data, while others disclose it for free. For an
individual, later investigated by the police or intelligence services,
the data retention practices adopted by their phone company or email
provider can significantly impact their freedom.

Unfortunately, although many companies claim to care about end-user
privacy, and some even that they compete on their privacy features,
none seem to be willing to compete on the extent to which they assist
or resist the government in its surveillance activities. Because
information about each firms' practices is not publicly known,
consumers cannot vote with their wallets, and pick service providers
that best protect their privacy.

This talk will pierce the veil of secrecy surrounding these practices.
Based upon a combination of Freedom of Information Act requests, off
the record conversations with industry lawyers, and investigative
journalism, the practices of many of these firms will be revealed.

________________________________

Christopher's Personal Experience

In the year 2006, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) raided
Christopherbs home at 2.00 a.m. seizing his personal documents and
computers. Two attorneys, Stephen Braga and Jennifer Granick came to
his defence. With their expert assistance, Christopher was able to get
back his possessions within three weeks, and FBIbs criminal and TSAbs
civil investigations were closed without any charges being filed.

Jennifer Granick came to Christopherbs assistance once again (joined
by Steve Leckar) in 2010 after the Federal Trade Commissionbs
Inspector General investigated Christopher for using his government
badge to attend a closed-door surveillance industry conference. It was
at that event that Christopher recorded an executive from wireless
carrier bSprintb bragging about the eight million times his company
had obtained GPS data on its customers for law enforcement agencies in
the previous years.

To know more, read Christopher Soghoianbs dissertation titled "The
Spies We Trust: Third Party Service Providers and Law Enforcement
Surveillance". [PDF, 1056 Kb]

________________________________

About Christopher Soghoian

Christopher Soghoian is a privacy researcher and activist, working at
the intersection of technology, law and policy. He is a Principal
Technologist and Senior Policy Analyst at the American Civil Liberties
Union and is based in Washington, D.C.

Soghoian completed his Ph.D. at Indiana University in 2012, which
focused on the role that third party service providers play in
facilitating law enforcement surveillance of their customers. In order
to gather data, he has made extensive use of the Freedom of
Information Act, sued the Department of Justice pro se, and used
several other investigative research methods. His research has
appeared in publications including the Berkeley Technology Law Journal
and been cited by several federal courts, including the Ninth Circuit
Court of Appeals.

Between the years, 2009-2010, he was the first ever in-house
technologist at the Federal Trade Commission's Division of Privacy and
Identity Protection, where he worked on investigations of Facebook,
Twitter, MySpace and Netflix. Prior to joining the FTC, he co-created
the Do Not Track privacy anti-tracking mechanism now adopted by all of
the major web browsers.

He is a TEDGlobal 2012 Fellow, was an Open Society Foundations Fellow
between the years, 2011-2012, and was a Student Fellow at the Berkman
Center for Internet & Society, Harvard University between 2008 and
2009.

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From StealthMonger at nym.mixmin.net  Sun Aug 26 03:40:13 2012
From: StealthMonger at nym.mixmin.net (StealthMonger)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:40:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Hawala on the big screen
Message-ID: <20120826104013.EC5C9EAA9D@snorky.mixmin.net>

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Hash: SHA1

For a dramatic and touching story of hawala in use, see the current
film release "Premium Rush".

Lots of bicycle action, too, if you like that.

- -- 


 -- StealthMonger <StealthMonger at nym.mixmin.net>
    Long, random latency is part of the price of Internet anonymity.

   anonget: Is this anonymous browsing, or what?
   http://groups.google.ws/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/msg/073f34abb668df33?dmode=source&output=gplain

   stealthmail: Hide whether you're doing email, or when, or with whom.
   mailto:stealthsuite at nym.mixmin.net?subject=send%20index.html


Key: mailto:stealthsuite at nym.mixmin.net?subject=send%20stealthmonger-key

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From andst7 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 08:20:31 2012
From: andst7 at gmail.com (Andrea St)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:20:31 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor, Facebook and Google+ - my point of view
Message-ID: <mailman.3696.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

I've thoroughly read the blog post about the position of Tor regarding the
Online presence within Facebook and G+ and I'd like to use these short
lines to express my point of view.

Let me state in advance that I'm not particularly fond of neither FB nor G+
policies, but that does not prevent me to strongly think that Tor should be
present whithin both these SN.

First of all telling Twitter is a better place to stay and others should be
avoided is not a suitable answer: Twitter has been known to censor
HashTags, to sell the entire feed, just for example.

On the second point I strongly believe in Tor's educational mission:
avoiding a widespread used medium insetad of using it in the best possible
way is IMHO very wrong.

On the third point it should be taken into consideration that an unofficial
BF Fan page is already present with 5000+ fans: the newborn one is in less
than a week 300+ fans strong and there are numerous other unofficial
smaller ones. In these pages users ask for help, write comments and
feedbacks.
The same is true for G+, where 100+ people has added Tor page in their
circles.

These numbers alone should demonstrate without further doubt that there is
a more than sizable part of the users who strongly prefer to interact with
the Tor Project using these SM channels instead of IRC.

Even if some people strongly object to the use of these channel, I strongly
believe that democracy itself is based on allowing users the same chance to
express themselves in their preferred form, giving all the same chance to
obtain what seem to be just and fair.

It is not time to understand if Tor Project is ready or not to embrace
these prerogatives and to open up to Social: if no-one cares likes and
following a page is not mandatory, but for those who are eager to follow
the chance to talk to the Tor Project will be there, even in "the enemy
territory".


You can even look at this as opening a representative place, a safe
harbour, a little outpost directly within the enemy's line, giving chance
to talk to users about our views of the SN and what we think is evil within
their policies.


It's time to take a strong and sure direction, without dubts.

That, of course, will add-up to other more worldly problems of not being
present: some people will surely think Tor is anachronistic, not fit for
the new generations, and someone other could open up a fake "official" page
with could lead to scams, wrong downloads etc...

This is only my very humble opinion, open for discussion and, why not, for
disagreement with me.

Best,
Andrea
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From buddha at germantown.ru  Sun Aug 26 15:46:42 2012
From: buddha at germantown.ru (=?koi8-r?B?7sXEz8LSz9PP18XT1M7ZxSDQz9PUwdfdycvJ?=)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 05:46:42 +0700
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?79TXxdTT1NfFzs7P09TYINrBINLBws/U1SDTIM7FxM/C0s/Tz9fF09TO?=
	=?koi8-r?B?2c3JIMvPztTSwcfFztTBzck=?=
Message-ID: <000d01cd83dc$a9bea5e0$6400a8c0@buddha>

   28 августа 2012г.

(Недобросовестные поставщики.) Практические рекомендации как отвечать налоговой инспекции в случае проверки недобросовестных контрагентов и как можно уйти от НДС без последствий

+7 Московский код: 7922I*22 : +7 (Ч95) 792\21.2*2

Цель:

Курс даст слушателям ответ на то, как правильно заключать договоры и что делать, если он ошибся, но при этом хотел бы сохранить свои налоговые обязательства без изменений. Слушатели будут точно знать что и как отвечать налоговой инспекции в случае проверки таких контрагентов. Поймут, как можно уйти от НДС без последствий.

Программа:

*  Установление предмета доказывания по делам о признании налоговой выгоды необоснованной. Рассмотрение необходимость установления реального ущерба бюджету. Установление размера требований по подобным делам. Взыскание всех ранее заявленных вычетов и расходов как нарушение принципа соразмерности и справедливости. Анализ аналогичной практики Европейского Суда.

*  Рассмотрение комплекса мер применяемых для проявления надлежащей осмотрительности и осторожности при выборе контрагента. Обоснование позиции, что фактически можно практически ничего не проверять.

*  Анализ требований по проверке контрагента предъявляемые налоговым органом без оснований.

*  Методические указания Минфина о назначении выездных налоговых проверок (включая Приказ ФНС от 22.09.10 ╧ ММB-7-2/461@, Приказ УФНС по г. Москве от 1 сентября 2008 г ╧409 и др.).

*  Методические указания Минфина по поиску недобросовестных контрагентов. Рассмотрение мер, которые планирует принять Минфин, Минюст по борьбе с однодневками.

*  Как защититься от претензий налогового органа о том, что контрагент:

*  Разбор основных ошибок допускаемых налоговыми органами в процессе доказывания получение налоговый выгоды (встречные проверки реально не проводятся, а данные берется из компьютерной системы учета, вместо допросов проводиться опрос, вместо экспертизы получаются заключения специалиста и т.п.). Как использовать ошибки (подробно).

*  Рассмотрение комплекса мер в целях защиты от незаконных допросов, осмотров, выемок, экспертиз и т.п. Анализ норм НК, АПК, судебной практики по оспариванию мероприятий налогового контроля.

*  Создание преюдиции для доказывания реальности сделки.

*  Способ ухода от признания налоговой выгоды необоснованной при заключении договоров с поставщиками при помощи посредника. Как построить договор, чтобы претензии по поставщикам нельзя было предъявить.

*  Уход от уплаты НДС с наценки путем:

*  Кто отвечает за работу с недобросовестными контрагентами (директор или бухгалтер) и в какой части. Рассмотрение основных законодательных инициатив и принятых в последнее время законов, направленных на борьбу с ╚однодневками╩.

*  Анализ гражданско-правовой ответственности за работу с ╚однодневками╩ возлагаемой на директора в рамках закона о несостоятельности.

*  Потеря документов по недобросовестным поставщикам. Налоговые последствия. Указания Минфина по привлечению к ответственности в таком случае. Способ защиты от налоговых претензий.

*  Анализ возможности рассмотрения любого налогового спора в Арбитражном суде г. Москвы, как способ обойти негативную практику конкретного региона.

*  Изменение практики компенсации судебных издержек.

*  Ответы на индивидуальные вопросы.


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From saftergood at fas.org  Mon Aug 27 07:00:10 2012
From: saftergood at fas.org (Steven Aftergood)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:00:10 -0700
Subject: Secrecy News -- 08/27/12
Message-ID: <mailman.3697.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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SECRECY NEWS
from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy
Volume 2012, Issue No. 85
August 27, 2012

Secrecy News Blog:  http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/


**     GUIDANCE ON NUCLEAR TARGETING IS "TIGHTLY CONTROLLED"
**     SCI NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT REQUIRES PREPUBLICATION REVIEW
**     PRESIDENTIAL CLAIMS OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, AND MORE FROM CRS


GUIDANCE ON NUCLEAR TARGETING IS "TIGHTLY CONTROLLED" 

U.S. government guidance on the targeting of nuclear weapons is perhaps
the most tightly held of all national security secrets, and "fewer than
twenty" copies of the President's instructions on the subject are extant
within the entire Department of Defense.

Following a November 2011 hearing of the House Armed Services Committee,
Rep. Michael Turner (R-OH) asked "How many military and civilian personnel
in the executive branch have full or partial access to nuclear employment
and targeting guidance?"

In newly published responses to questions for the record, Under Secretary
of Defense James N. Miller said the answer was "a very small group of
personnel in the executive branch."

	http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2011_hr/nw-qfr.pdf

"Even within the Department of Defense (DOD), access to this sensitive
material is tightly controlled," Dr. Miller added. "Within the Department
of Defense, fewer than twenty copies of the President's guidance are
distributed in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the Joint Staff, and
U.S. Strategic Command."

The nuclear weapons guidance issued by the Secretary of Defense and the
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to implement the President's instructions is
somewhat more broadly disseminated.

"Fewer than 200 copies of the most recent amplifying guidance issued by
the Secretary of Defense were produced, and distribution was limited
primarily to Office of the Secretary of Defense, the Joint Staff, U.S.
Strategic Command, and other Combatant Commanders. The Chairman's guidance
is distributed more widely within DOD (fewer than 200 copies), as the
document assigns responsibilities to several defense agencies and the
intelligence community. Commander, U.S. Strategic Command must issue
guidance to his planners and forces in the field, so distribution is
somewhat wider because of that need."

What about congressional access?  "How many personnel in the legislative
branch have full or partial access to each level of guidance?", Rep. Turner
asked.

Dr. Miller declined to answer that question directly.

"There is a long history of debate about providing the legislative branch
access to this material," he said. "As a result, instances of providing
access to a member of Congress and senior staff personnel have been quite
limited and under restrictive terms."

In fact, the history of debate over congressional access to nuclear
targeting information was never conclusively resolved, as far as is
publicly known.  In 2000, then-Sen. Robert Kerrey criticized the Department
of Defense repeatedly for refusing to provide the information.

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2000/12/iaf122200.html

"As elected representatives of the people, and with a Constitutional role
in determining national security policy, Congress should have an
understanding of the principles underpinning our nuclear policy. Both the
guidance provided by the President and the details of the SIOP [nuclear
weapons targeting plan] are necessary for us to make informed national
security decisions," Sen. Kerrey said on the Senate floor on June 30, 2000.

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2000/kerrey.html

Sen. Kerrey wrote to then-Secretary of Defense William Cohen seeking an
explanation of the Department's policy on congressional access to nuclear
targeting information.

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2000/kerrey2.html

But no reply was ever received.

In the newly released questions for the record, which address a
multiplicity of nuclear policy issues, Rep. Turner also asked "How many
military personnel have full or partial access to STRATCOM's OPLAN 8010?",
referring to the U.S. Strategic Command nuclear war plan.

"Full access to all portions of OPLAN 8010 is limited to our most senior
leadership," replied Gen. C. Robert Kehler, STRATCOM Commander.

For background on OPLAN 8010, see "Obama and the Nuclear War Plan" by Hans
M. Kristensen, Federation of American Scientists, February 2010:

http://fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/publications1/WarPlanIssueBrief2010.pdf


SCI NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT REQUIRES PREPUBLICATION REVIEW

If the former Navy SEAL who co-authored a new book about killing of Osama
bin Laden signed a non-disclosure agreement for access to "sensitive
compartmented information" (i.e., classified intelligence information),
then he was obliged to submit his manuscript to the government for
prepublication review even if he believed that it contained no classified
information.

A sample SCI non-disclosure agreement that is used by the Department of
Defense is here:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/dd_1847_1.pdf

If the book did contain classified information, then the author could
conceivably be subject to criminal prosecution under the Espionage Act.  
But even if it did not contain classified information, its publication
without prior review could be deemed a breach of contract, with the
proceeds subject to seizure by the government.

The government's authority to enforce a non-disclosure agreement in this
way was affirmed by a federal court most recently in the case of USA v.
Ishmael Jones.  In that case, Jones (the pseudonym of a former CIA officer)
published his manuscript without completing the prepublication review
process.

Last week, Adm. William H. McRaven of U.S. Special Operations Command
condemned the disclosure of classified information by former special
operators, as well as other forms of activism that tended to politicize the
service.

"While as retired or former service members, they are well within their
rights to advocate for certain causes or write books about their
adventures, it is disappointing when these actions either try to represent
the broader S.O.F. community, or expose sensitive information that could
threaten the lives of their fellow warriors," McRaven wrote in an email to
all special operation personnel.

	http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=117635

"We will pursue every option available to hold members accountable,
including criminal prosecution where appropriate," he wrote, as reported by
Kimberly Dozier of the Associated Press.

"Today, U.S. Special Operations Forces are in 78 countries around the
world supporting U.S. policy objectives," Adm. McRaven told Congress last
March.

The SOCOM budget request for FY2013 is $10.4 billion.  "The FY 2013 budget
includes 21 construction projects in nine states, one overseas, and one at
a classified location," Adm. McRaven said in the 2012 SOCOM posture
statement.

	http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2012_hr/030612mcraven.pdf


PRESIDENTIAL CLAIMS OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, AND MORE FROM CRS

New and updated reports from the Congressional Research Service that
Congress has not made available to the public include the following.

Presidential Claims of Executive Privilege: History, Law, Practice, and
Recent Developments, August 21, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/R42670.pdf

Congress's Contempt Power and the Enforcement of Congressional Subpoenas:
Law, History, Practice, and Procedure, updated August 17, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34097.pdf

Iraq: Politics, Governance, and Human Rights, updated August 21, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS21968.pdf

An Overview of the "Patent Trolls" Debate, August 20, 2012:

	http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42668.pdf


_______________________________________________
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Federation of American Scientists.

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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Aug 27 09:59:22 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:59:22 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
Message-ID: <20120827165922.GR12615@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Mike Perry <mikeperry at torproject.org> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Aug 27 10:01:33 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:01:33 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
Message-ID: <20120827170133.GT12615@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Maxim Kammerer <mk at dee.su> -----


From btv8hthaqwc1ofjhpvr at iw.sa  Mon Aug 27 15:35:50 2012
From: btv8hthaqwc1ofjhpvr at iw.sa (=?koi8-r?B?8NLP18XSy8Eg0MXS18ney8k=?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 05:35:50 +0700
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?8MXS18ney8E6IN7UzyDJIMvByyDQ0s/XxdLRwNQgy8/O1NLPzMnS1cDd?=
	=?koi8-r?B?ycUgz9LHwc7Z?=
Message-ID: <000d01cd84a4$4f2748d0$6400a8c0@btv8hthaqwc1ofjhpvr>

"Первичка": что и как проверяют контролирующие органы

03 сентября 2012 г.

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Программа:

1.Новый Закон о бухгалтерском учете √ новые требования к первичным документам. Новый порядок ведения кассовых операций. Электронный документооборот. Право подписи на документах, использование факсимиле. Печать на документах. Внесение исправлений в учетные документы. Копии первичных документов √ когда можем учесть в расходах. Несвоевременное получение документов. Некомплектные документы. Налоговые и административные штрафы за первичку. Организация документооборота в организации. Первичные документы по отдельным хозяйственным операциям: транспортная накладная и ТТН, ТОРГ-12, документы для учета ГСМ (талоны, топливные карты, путевые листы). Первичка по учету основных средств и МПЗ, командировочным расходам. Условные единицы в первичном документе.

2.Первичные документы для налогового учета. Новый порядок заполнения счетов-фактур, книги покупок и книги продаж по Постановлению Правительства от 26.12.2011г. ╧1137. Электронные счет-фактуры. "Факсимильная подпись на счете√фактуре не дает право на вычет" - так решил ВАС РФ. Оправдание сделки: договор подряда, консультационные услуги, маркетинговые исследования, договор аренды и др. Какими документами подтвердить реальные хозяйственные операции. Оформление первичных документов на вознаграждение за объем продаж, при возврате товара.

3.Хранение документации. Сроки и организация хранения документов. Ответственность руководителя и бухгалтера за хранение документации. Действия должностных лиц предприятия при утрате документов.

4.Если у Вас есть филиал: как организовать документооборот, где хранить, кто может проводить налоговый контроль филиала, как избежать штрафа за несвоевременное представление документов налоговым органам.

5.Как работают с "первичкой" налоговые и правоохранительные органы. Какие документы налогоплательщика могут подтверждать получение необоснованной налоговой выгоды по критериям Постановления Пленума ВАС РФ от 12.10.2006 ╧53. Когда и какие первичные документы могут служить основанием для возбуждения уголовного дела в отношении должностных лиц организации за неуплату налогов. Борьба с фирмами - "однодневками" продолжается с учетом нового ФЗ от 07.12.2011г. ╧419-ФЗ.


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From: kmackl at project-smeta.ru (=?koi8-r?B?8NLP18XSy8Eg0MXS18ney8k=?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:16:32 -0800
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"Первичка": что и как проверяют контролирующие органы

03 сентября 2012 г.

(495) 792_2I22 или 8 (Ч95) 79221\22

Программа:

1.Новый Закон о бухгалтерском учете √ новые требования к первичным документам. Новый порядок ведения кассовых операций. Электронный документооборот. Право подписи на документах, использование факсимиле. Печать на документах. Внесение исправлений в учетные документы. Копии первичных документов √ когда можем учесть в расходах. Несвоевременное получение документов. Некомплектные документы. Налоговые и административные штрафы за первичку. Организация документооборота в организации. Первичные документы по отдельным хозяйственным операциям: транспортная накладная и ТТН, ТОРГ-12, документы для учета ГСМ (талоны, топливные карты, путевые листы). Первичка по учету основных средств и МПЗ, командировочным расходам. Условные единицы в первичном документе.

2.Первичные документы для налогового учета. Новый порядок заполнения счетов-фактур, книги покупок и книги продаж по Постановлению Правительства от 26.12.2011г. ╧1137. Электронные счет-фактуры. "Факсимильная подпись на счете√фактуре не дает право на вычет" - так решил ВАС РФ. Оправдание сделки: договор подряда, консультационные услуги, маркетинговые исследования, договор аренды и др. Какими документами подтвердить реальные хозяйственные операции. Оформление первичных документов на вознаграждение за объем продаж, при возврате товара.

3.Хранение документации. Сроки и организация хранения документов. Ответственность руководителя и бухгалтера за хранение документации. Действия должностных лиц предприятия при утрате документов.

4.Если у Вас есть филиал: как организовать документооборот, где хранить, кто может проводить налоговый контроль филиала, как избежать штрафа за несвоевременное представление документов налоговым органам.

5.Как работают с "первичкой" налоговые и правоохранительные органы. Какие документы налогоплательщика могут подтверждать получение необоснованной налоговой выгоды по критериям Постановления Пленума ВАС РФ от 12.10.2006 ╧53. Когда и какие первичные документы могут служить основанием для возбуждения уголовного дела в отношении должностных лиц организации за неуплату налогов. Борьба с фирмами - "однодневками" продолжается с учетом нового ФЗ от 07.12.2011г. ╧419-ФЗ.


Информацию можно получить по телефонам: +7 (495)- 7Ч29I-98 \\// +7 499 Ч45Ч/095
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From briankherrington at novopost.ru  Mon Aug 27 19:17:02 2012
From: briankherrington at novopost.ru (=?koi8-r?B?8NLP18XSy8Eg0MXS18ney8k=?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:17:02 +0800
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?8MXS18ney8E6IN7UzyDJIMvByyDQ0s/XxdLRwNQgy8/O1NLPzMnS1cDd?=
	=?koi8-r?B?ycUgz9LHwc7Z?=
Message-ID: <000d01cd84c3$35fe4d80$6400a8c0@briankherrington>

"Первичка": что и как проверяют контролирующие органы

03 сентября 2012 г.

+7 Московский код: 7Ч2.9198 ; (код Москвы) 7Ч2.9I98

Программа:

1.Новый Закон о бухгалтерском учете √ новые требования к первичным документам. Новый порядок ведения кассовых операций. Электронный документооборот. Право подписи на документах, использование факсимиле. Печать на документах. Внесение исправлений в учетные документы. Копии первичных документов √ когда можем учесть в расходах. Несвоевременное получение документов. Некомплектные документы. Налоговые и административные штрафы за первичку. Организация документооборота в организации. Первичные документы по отдельным хозяйственным операциям: транспортная накладная и ТТН, ТОРГ-12, документы для учета ГСМ (талоны, топливные карты, путевые листы). Первичка по учету основных средств и МПЗ, командировочным расходам. Условные единицы в первичном документе.

2.Первичные документы для налогового учета. Новый порядок заполнения счетов-фактур, книги покупок и книги продаж по Постановлению Правительства от 26.12.2011г. ╧1137. Электронные счет-фактуры. "Факсимильная подпись на счете√фактуре не дает право на вычет" - так решил ВАС РФ. Оправдание сделки: договор подряда, консультационные услуги, маркетинговые исследования, договор аренды и др. Какими документами подтвердить реальные хозяйственные операции. Оформление первичных документов на вознаграждение за объем продаж, при возврате товара.

3.Хранение документации. Сроки и организация хранения документов. Ответственность руководителя и бухгалтера за хранение документации. Действия должностных лиц предприятия при утрате документов.

4.Если у Вас есть филиал: как организовать документооборот, где хранить, кто может проводить налоговый контроль филиала, как избежать штрафа за несвоевременное представление документов налоговым органам.

5.Как работают с "первичкой" налоговые и правоохранительные органы. Какие документы налогоплательщика могут подтверждать получение необоснованной налоговой выгоды по критериям Постановления Пленума ВАС РФ от 12.10.2006 ╧53. Когда и какие первичные документы могут служить основанием для возбуждения уголовного дела в отношении должностных лиц организации за неуплату налогов. Борьба с фирмами - "однодневками" продолжается с учетом нового ФЗ от 07.12.2011г. ╧419-ФЗ.


Информацию можно получить по телефонам: Московский код; 792_2I22 или \Моск. код/ 792-21*2/2

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From virtualadept at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 07:36:54 2012
From: virtualadept at gmail.com (Bryce Lynch)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:36:54 -0400
Subject: [ZS] Fwd: Announcement: Diaspora* Will Now Be A Community Project
Message-ID: <mailman.3698.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Dirk Bruere <dirk.bruere at gmail.com> wrote:

> We are still nowhere near getting a crucial piece of ZS infrastructure
> - the geographically based skills/business exchange we could integrate
> with LETS. The fact that there is no off the shelf s/w or social site
> that does this either means there is no market for it, or there is a
> huge opportunity. Or maybe I have simply never heard of it.

Thinking back to an article Douglas Rushkoff wrote a while back, let's
see what's out there...

Established gratis orgs that already do this:

http://www.ces.org.za/index.asp#_blank
https://hourworld.org/

Open Source Currency: https://github.com/oscurrency/oscurrency
Based on Rails, F/OSS timebanking software.

Community Forge: http://communityforge.net/
Based on Drupal, implements LETS.

Ripple: https://ripplepay.com/
Track obligations through a socnet.

This will also be of interest:
http://ma.juii.net/blog/time-banking-software-recommendation

-- 
The Doctor [412/724/301/703] [ZS]
https://drwho.virtadpt.net/
"I am everywhere."

-- 
-- 
Zero State mailing list:
http://groups.google.com/group/DoctrineZero



----- End forwarded message -----
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From mikhail at nulix.ru  Tue Aug 28 00:38:05 2012
From: mikhail at nulix.ru (=?koi8-r?B?9/zkOiDi1cjHwczUxdLJ0Q==?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:08:05 +0530
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?zsHMz8fPz8LMz9bFzsnFIPf85A==?=
Message-ID: <000d01cd84f0$0fa60b50$6400a8c0@mikhail>

31 августа 2012г.

Бухгалтерский учет и налогообложение внешнеэкономической деятельности и валютных операций

+7 495 742-9I*98 **** 8 (Ч95) 792/21.2/2

Программа:

1. Нормативная база, регулирующая учет и налогообложение валютных операций и внешнеэкономической деятельности. Изменения в 2012 году.

2. Особенности налогообложения курсовых разниц в условиях применения ПБУ 3/2006 "Учет активов и обязательств, стоимость которых выражена в иностранной валюте". Налогообложение суммовых разниц.

3. Налогообложение по налогу на прибыль у экспортера, получающего доход в иностранной валюте.

4. Новый порядок подтверждения у экспортера ставки 0% по НДС, в т.ч. при экспорте в страны Таможенного Союза.

5. Порядок вычета НДС, уплаченного таможенным органам. Порядок вычета НДС, уплаченного налоговым органам при импорте из стран Таможенного Союза.

6. Проблемы с возмещением экспортного НДС: практические рекомендации по их разрешению.

7. Формирование налоговой стоимости амортизируемых основных средств, сырья, материалов и товаров, приобретенных по импортным контрактам.

8. Налогообложение доходов нерезидентов у российского агента √ источника выплаты.

9. Типичные ошибки, встречающиеся при отражении в учете и уплате налогов операций, связанных с осуществлением внешнеэкономической деятельности.

Стоимость участия:  8 900 рублей

Информацию можно получить по телефонам: (495) 792*2122 <<>> +7 Московский код: 7922122

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug 28 05:17:26 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:17:26 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] End-to-end correlation for fun and profit
Message-ID: <20120828121726.GS12615@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Mike Perry <mikeperry at torproject.org> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug 28 05:22:06 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:22:06 +0200
Subject: [ZS] Project RES: #cryptoparties
Message-ID: <20120828122206.GU12615@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Bryce Lynch <virtualadept at gmail.com> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug 28 06:01:50 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:01:50 +0200
Subject: [silk] Fwd: Role of the US =?utf-8?Q?Tech_?= 
  =?utf-8?Q?Companies_in_Government_Surveillance=3A_A_Lecture_by_Christophe?=
  	=?utf-8?Q?r_Soghoian_=E2=80=94?= Centre for Internet and Society
Message-ID: <20120828130150.GX12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug 28 06:54:13 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:54:13 +0200
Subject: [tor-talk] Tor, Facebook and Google+ - my point of view
Message-ID: <20120828135413.GB12615@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Andrea St <andst7 at gmail.com> -----


From bucjnrieaz at szorin.ru  Tue Aug 28 19:55:26 2012
From: bucjnrieaz at szorin.ru (=?koi8-r?B?9/zkOiDi1cjHwczUxdLJ0Q==?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:55:26 -0800
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?zsHMz8fPz8LMz9bFzsnFINfBzMDUztnIIM/QxdLBw8nK?=
Message-ID: <637F3589ABA0427E96DA83178BF3F720@softnetcaac450>

31 августа 2012г.

Бухгалтерский учет и налогообложение внешнеэкономической деятельности и валютных операций

+7 (495)- 7Ч291*98 \\// код: (четыре девять пять) 7922122

Программа:

1. Нормативная база, регулирующая учет и налогообложение валютных операций и внешнеэкономической деятельности. Изменения в 2012 году.

2. Особенности налогообложения курсовых разниц в условиях применения ПБУ 3/2006 "Учет активов и обязательств, стоимость которых выражена в иностранной валюте". Налогообложение суммовых разниц.

3. Налогообложение по налогу на прибыль у экспортера, получающего доход в иностранной валюте.

4. Новый порядок подтверждения у экспортера ставки 0% по НДС, в т.ч. при экспорте в страны Таможенного Союза.

5. Порядок вычета НДС, уплаченного таможенным органам. Порядок вычета НДС, уплаченного налоговым органам при импорте из стран Таможенного Союза.

6. Проблемы с возмещением экспортного НДС: практические рекомендации по их разрешению.

7. Формирование налоговой стоимости амортизируемых основных средств, сырья, материалов и товаров, приобретенных по импортным контрактам.

8. Налогообложение доходов нерезидентов у российского агента – источника выплаты.

9. Типичные ошибки, встречающиеся при отражении в учете и уплате налогов операций, связанных с осуществлением внешнеэкономической деятельности.

Стоимость участия:  8 900 рублей

По вопpоcам подробной информации и pегucтаpацuu обpащайтеcь по тел: 8 (499) ЧЧ5_ЧО*95 **** (код Москвы) 742-9198
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From milfredinr at weather.yandex.ru  Tue Aug 28 08:09:34 2012
From: milfredinr at weather.yandex.ru (=?koi8-r?B?9MHSwdPP18Eg7i7hLiDPIPf85A==?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:09:34 +0800
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?4tXIx8HM1MXS08vJyiDV3sXUINfOxdvOxdzLz87PzcnexdPLz8ogxMXR?=
	=?koi8-r?B?1MXM2M7P09TJ?=
Message-ID: <000d01cd852f$21cc80e0$6400a8c0@milfredinr>

31 августа 2012г.

Бухгалтерский учет и налогообложение внешнеэкономической деятельности и валютных операций

+7 495 742.91*98 или +7 (код Москвы) 742-91\98

Программа:

1. Нормативная база, регулирующая учет и налогообложение валютных операций и внешнеэкономической деятельности. Изменения в 2012 году.

2. Особенности налогообложения курсовых разниц в условиях применения ПБУ 3/2006 "Учет активов и обязательств, стоимость которых выражена в иностранной валюте". Налогообложение суммовых разниц.

3. Налогообложение по налогу на прибыль у экспортера, получающего доход в иностранной валюте.

4. Новый порядок подтверждения у экспортера ставки 0% по НДС, в т.ч. при экспорте в страны Таможенного Союза.

5. Порядок вычета НДС, уплаченного таможенным органам. Порядок вычета НДС, уплаченного налоговым органам при импорте из стран Таможенного Союза.

6. Проблемы с возмещением экспортного НДС: практические рекомендации по их разрешению.

7. Формирование налоговой стоимости амортизируемых основных средств, сырья, материалов и товаров, приобретенных по импортным контрактам.

8. Налогообложение доходов нерезидентов у российского агента √ источника выплаты.

9. Типичные ошибки, встречающиеся при отражении в учете и уплате налогов операций, связанных с осуществлением внешнеэкономической деятельности.

Стоимость участия:  8 900 рублей

По вопpоcам pегucтаpацuu обpащайтеcь по тел: +7 499 - 4Ч5*ЧО\95 или 8 (499) 445.ЧО\95
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From bobiemerkin at alcotour.ru  Wed Aug 29 02:08:37 2012
From: bobiemerkin at alcotour.ru (=?koi8-r?B?887J2tggzsHMz8fJ?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:08:37 -0800
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?68/OxsnExc7DycHM2M7P09TYIM7BIOvJ0NLF?=
Message-ID: <000d01cd85bd$7e361880$6400a8c0@bobiemerkin>

   07 сентября 2012 г.

Оффшорный бизнес: о чем молчат другие?

+7 499 - ЧЧ5-4О\95 и Московский код; 742.9I_98

Цель:

Отличительной особенностью данного курса является практическая направленность и отсутствие лишних теоретических и исторических отступлений. курс строится в форме интерактивного практического занятия при постоянном взаимодействии с аудиторией с разбором большого количества примеров и подробным описанием налоговых, финансовых и правовых последствий или рисков.

Для участия в курсе мы приглашаем как специалистов с многолетним опытом работы в сфере международного налогового планирования, стремящихся расширить область своих знаний, так и слушателей, еще не сталкивавшихся с иностранными юрисдикциями. Насыщенность материала конкретными примерами, взятыми из жизни, решение нестандартных и частных задач в ходе занятия, а также доступность объяснений относятся к неоспоримым достоинствам данного курса.

Важно отметить, что ведущий курса имеет не только многолетний опыт разработки и курирования крупных консалтинговых проектов, но также многократного участия в их реализации "под ключ" с последующим сопровождением. Это позволяет наполнить курс уникальным материалом, посвященным не только схемам оптимизации налогов, но и многочисленными практическими комментариями и описанием проблем, с которыми сталкивается бизнес, даже при выборе "правильных и выверенных" схем.

По ходу и после окончания курса будет предусмотрено время для индивидуальных вопросов как по заявленным темам, так и по вопросам, которые не предусматривала программа курса.

Оффшоры, Кипр и другие иностранные юрисдикции не являются налоговой панацеей, и в некоторых случаях их использование принесет лишь новые финансовые издержки и бессмысленные риски конфликтов с налоговыми органами. К счастью, таких случаев пока меньшинство.


Программа:

БЛОК 1. ОФФШОРЫ, НИЗКОНАЛОГОВЫЕ И ПРЕСТИЖНЫЕ ЕВРОПЕЙСКИЕ ЮРИСДИКЦИИ: КРИТЕРИИ ВЫБОРА.

* Сравнение популярных оффшорных юрисдикций (Британские Виргинские острова, Белиз, Сейшелы, Панама и т.д.) √ от каких стоит отказаться и почему?

* Гонконг как инструмент работы с азиатским рынком

* Зачем использовать низконалоговые юрисдикции, если есть полностью безналоговые?

* Использование престижных юрисдикций: Швейцария, Люксембург, Нидерланды и т.д. √ когда это обоснованно?

* "Черные списки" ФАТФ, ОЭСР, Минфина, ЦБ РФ √ кому о них можно забыть?

БЛОК 2. ПРАКТИКА ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИЯ КИПРСКИХ КОМПАНИЙ

* Особенности работы с кипрским администратором: как не дать себя обмануть?

 ** налог на прибыль (Corporate Income Tax), сбор на оборону (Defence Contribution Tax), НДС и применение ⌠reverse charge■ 

* Изменения кипрского законодательства 2012 и тенденции 2013.

* Ратификация Протокола к Соглашению между РФ и Кипром: кто понесет убытки, а кому удастся на этом заработать?

* Почему Кипр редко используют при экспорте/импорте товаров?

* Кипр как инструмент работы с ценными бумагами

БЛОК 3.СХЕМЫ, ПРИМЕНЯЕМЫЕ В МЕЖДУНАРОДНОМ НАЛОГОВОМ ПЛАНИРОВАНИИ

* Внешнеторговые операции (экспорт/импорт):

 ** схемы с использованием оффшоров и Гонконга;

 ** схемы с использование английских LTD и партнерств LLP;

 ** эстонские, чешские, датские, нидерландские компании в торговых схемах.

* Холдинговые структуры
 ** выплаты дивидендов и построение холдинговых структур;

 ** займы как оптимальный путь финансирования;

 **  (суб)лицензионные договоры и выплаты роялти за использование прав интеллектуальной собственности;

 ** анализ сложностей и рисков, расчет предельных величин отчислений по займам и роялти.

* Владение и сдача в аренду недвижимости с использованием нерезидентов

БЛОК 4. КОНФИДЕНЦИАЛЬНОСТЬ И НОМИНАЛЬНОЕ ВЛАДЕНИЕ

* Номинальный сервис:

 ** инструменты контроля номинальных директоров и номинальных акционеров;

 ** лица, которым будут известны имена бенефициаров;

* Какие данные о компании хранятся в публичных реестрах Кипра и оффшоров, и кто имеет к ним доступ?

* Обмен информацией √ в каких случаях государственные органы РФ могут получить информацию о владельцах?

* Изменения в Гражданском Кодексе: бенефициар должен раскрыть себя сам.

* Трасты и семейные фонды √ когда их использование оправдано?

* "Подводные камни" при использовании номинального сервиса и трастов/фондов.

БЛОК 5. ОТКРЫТИЕ СЧЕТОВ НА ИНОСТРАННЫЕ КОМПАНИИ

* Надежность, оперативность работы, лояльность √ какой банк выбрать?

* Какие банки не делятся информацией с российскими спецслужбами?

* Раскрытие банковской тайны √ факты и выводы

* Пути снятия средств со счета иностранного банка в России

* Росфинмониторинг: когда можно не опасаться?

БЛОК 6. ЧАСТО ЗАДАВАЕМЫЕ ВОПРОСЫ, СИТУАЦИИ ИЗ ПРАКТИКИ, ОБЗОР СУДОВ И ПИСЕМ МИНФИНА.

* Насколько международная структура владения защищает от рейдерских захватов?

* Как часто нужно предоставлять сертификат налогового резидентства и нужно ли проходить аудит для его выпуска?

* Ведет ли использование доверенностей с широким кругом полномочий  к возникновению постоянного представительства? Официальная позиция.

* Дает ли регистрация компании в ЕС возможность на привлечение кредитов и получение гражданства?

* Если компания не нужна: нужно ликвидировать или можно "бросить"?

* и т.д.

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From kleinesk-fa at jenniferlopezfan.com  Tue Aug 28 14:05:33 2012
From: kleinesk-fa at jenniferlopezfan.com (=?koi8-r?B?8NLP18XSy8Eg0MXS18ney8k=?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:05:33 +0700
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"Первичка": что и как проверяют контролирующие органы

03 сентября 2012 г.

8 (495) 792-2I/2_2 и (Ч95) 742.9I/98

Программа:

1.Новый Закон о бухгалтерском учете √ новые требования к первичным документам. Новый порядок ведения кассовых операций. Электронный документооборот. Право подписи на документах, использование факсимиле. Печать на документах. Внесение исправлений в учетные документы. Копии первичных документов √ когда можем учесть в расходах. Несвоевременное получение документов. Некомплектные документы. Налоговые и административные штрафы за первичку. Организация документооборота в организации. Первичные документы по отдельным хозяйственным операциям: транспортная накладная и ТТН, ТОРГ-12, документы для учета ГСМ (талоны, топливные карты, путевые листы). Первичка по учету основных средств и МПЗ, командировочным расходам. Условные единицы в первичном документе.

2.Первичные документы для налогового учета. Новый порядок заполнения счетов-фактур, книги покупок и книги продаж по Постановлению Правительства от 26.12.2011г. ╧1137. Электронные счет-фактуры. "Факсимильная подпись на счете√фактуре не дает право на вычет" - так решил ВАС РФ. Оправдание сделки: договор подряда, консультационные услуги, маркетинговые исследования, договор аренды и др. Какими документами подтвердить реальные хозяйственные операции. Оформление первичных документов на вознаграждение за объем продаж, при возврате товара.

3.Хранение документации. Сроки и организация хранения документов. Ответственность руководителя и бухгалтера за хранение документации. Действия должностных лиц предприятия при утрате документов.

4.Если у Вас есть филиал: как организовать документооборот, где хранить, кто может проводить налоговый контроль филиала, как избежать штрафа за несвоевременное представление документов налоговым органам.

5.Как работают с "первичкой" налоговые и правоохранительные органы. Какие документы налогоплательщика могут подтверждать получение необоснованной налоговой выгоды по критериям Постановления Пленума ВАС РФ от 12.10.2006 ╧53. Когда и какие первичные документы могут служить основанием для возбуждения уголовного дела в отношении должностных лиц организации за неуплату налогов. Борьба с фирмами - "однодневками" продолжается с учетом нового ФЗ от 07.12.2011г. ╧419-ФЗ.


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From bryantsell at shevaton.ru  Tue Aug 28 18:53:16 2012
From: bryantsell at shevaton.ru (=?koi8-r?B?9/zkOiDi1cjHwczUxdLJ0Q==?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:53:16 +0700
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31 августа 2012г.

Бухгалтерский учет и налогообложение валютных операций

(Ч95) 792.2I22 \\// 8 (499) 4Ч54095

Программа:

1. Нормативная база, регулирующая учет и налогообложение валютных операций и внешнеэкономической деятельности. Изменения в 2012 году.

2. Особенности налогообложения курсовых разниц в условиях применения ПБУ 3/2006 "Учет активов и обязательств, стоимость которых выражена в иностранной валюте". Налогообложение суммовых разниц.

3. Налогообложение по налогу на прибыль у экспортера, получающего доход в иностранной валюте.

4. Новый порядок подтверждения у экспортера ставки 0% по НДС, в т.ч. при экспорте в страны Таможенного Союза.

5. Порядок вычета НДС, уплаченного таможенным органам. Порядок вычета НДС, уплаченного налоговым органам при импорте из стран Таможенного Союза.

6. Проблемы с возмещением экспортного НДС: практические рекомендации по их разрешению.

7. Формирование налоговой стоимости амортизируемых основных средств, сырья, материалов и товаров, приобретенных по импортным контрактам.

8. Налогообложение доходов нерезидентов у российского агента – источника выплаты.

9. Типичные ошибки, встречающиеся при отражении в учете и уплате налогов операций, связанных с осуществлением внешнеэкономической деятельности.

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From andrew at jarbox.org  Wed Aug 29 12:02:44 2012
From: andrew at jarbox.org (J. Andrew Rogers)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:02:44 -0700
Subject: [FoRK] Newsroom score: American Taliban
Message-ID: <mailman.3699.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


On Aug 29, 2012, at 9:56 AM, "Stephen D. Williams" <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
> Is there also a conspiracy by local government not to report this voter fraud to the Federal government?
> Recent stories have cited 86 or 26 verified cases of voter fraud, nationally, in the last 6 or so years.  Were they all in Garden Grove?  If not, what's wrong with the local election board that has prevented them from reporting these problems?  Where are links to proof that this has happened?


I think you are taking a bit of a naive view of the reality.

I know someone that does transaction analysis at one of the major banks for the purposes of detecting irregularities such as money laundering. To do that job, they look at pretty much the entire ebb and flow of money throughout the country. While the bank only cares about irregularities it has some liability for, they detect a much broader range of crimes in the analysis. The most pervasive crime detected is securities fraud, but most people probably do not find that surprising. The second most pervasive crime, on the other hand, is very surprising to many people: judicial bribery. 

If we were to go by "verified cases" of judicial bribery as evidence, we would conclude that it is very rare. The people who could verify cases to your satisfaction have no significant incentive to do so and there is rarely a smoking gun that the victims of the crime can point to. In fact, most of the victims have no idea that it even occurred. Furthermore, on what basis could someone in the government responsible for investigating judicial corruption run the kind of privacy-violating fishing expeditions that the banks do? As far as the government is concerned, there is no evidence of widespread corruption in the judiciary even though they know they would find it if they actually looked. 

Voter fraud likely falls into a similar category. It is "rare" because it is institutionally implausible for the people who could verify it to look for it. Like with judicial bribery, there is an enormous amount of resistance to putting into place the kinds of policies that would make it possible for the government to officially verify its existence. 


There are many things that, as far as the government is concerned, do not exist because the government goes to great lengths to not look for them. 
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From zooko at zooko.com  Wed Aug 29 12:58:57 2012
From: zooko at zooko.com (Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:58:57 -0600
Subject: [tahoe-dev] Tahoe-LAFS Weekly Call report 2012-08-29
Message-ID: <mailman.3700.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Folks:

Here is your traditional, once-a-week, cryptic, and potentially
inaccurate summary of the developer conference call. In what follows I
make no attempt to explain the context. Sorry -- don't have time right
now! However, we do try to explain contexts on tickets, so if this
sounds interesting to you, you can probably figure out what we're
talking about by reading #127, #615, #821, #827, #1455, #1797, and/or
#1798.

The ultimate goal is to allow you to view arbitrary content when
loaded from your Tahoe-LAFS gateway without allowing it to spy on or
interfere with other content also loaded from your Tahoe-LAFS gateway.
(And by "view" content I mean execute that content as a program.) This
is good to prevent exploits of "decentralized web apps" (such as my
blog: B9). Note that decentralized web apps hosted on Tahoe-LAFS are
_already_ pretty well-defended from one another. The unguessable URIs
go a long way to preventing a lot of attacks. This work is just about
closing off that one weird attack (which requires the user to navigate
*from* the prize content *to* the malicious content for it to work)
and also about providing Defense In Depth so that other unforeseen
attacks will be defeated before we even imagine them.

B9 https://lafsgateway.zooko.com/uri/URI:DIR2-RO:d73ap7mtjvv7y6qsmmwqwai4ii:tq5tqejzulg7yj4h7nxuurpiuuz5jsgvczmdamcalpk2rc6gmbsq/klog.html

https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/127# Cap URLs leaked via
HTTP Referer header
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/615# Can JavaScript
loaded from Tahoe access all your content which is loaded from Tahoe?
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/821# A script in a file
viewed through the WUI can obtain the file's read cap
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/827# Put file download
links ('?save=true') in WUI directory listings
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1455# WUI: ambiently
accessible pages should framebust in order to prevent UI redressing
attacks
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1797# WUI: view content
in an HTML5 sandboxed iframe
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/ticket/1798# Segregate gateway
HTTP ports: one for raw bytes and one for generated WUI pages


Tahoe-LAFS Developer Conference Call

2012-08-28

In attendance: Zooko, David-Sarah, Brian

scribe: Zooko

 defense against malicious javascript

Using html5 iframe sandboxing, each request to the gateway to load the
content of a cap "$CAP" actually returns a generated HTML page
containing a sandboxed iframe tag with src=SERVER:BYTESPORT/cap/$CAP.

b" Kaminsky back-jacking

b" an additional authority when the attacker knows the readcap, but we
want to prevent him from causing your browser to execute the contents
in certain context? / David-Sarah's weird idea of an extra key per
gateway

b" backward compatibility with scripts/apps that use the WAPI to load
raw bytes of caps?


What authority to I intend to extend to target content when I click on
its link in source content?

proposal: I intend for the target content to receive *no more
authority* when I click on its link than if I had typed in its URL.

Ways that this is not what the web currently does:

b" Click on a little question mark next to a field, it pops open a very
small explanation. If you go back to the original window and click the
question mark again, it will pop open the same explanation window
instead of a new one.

b" Generate a virtual history when everything is really /app#pageid


possible threat models:

Game 1: There is a secret prize cap, and you -- the attacker -- win if
any code of yours learns the secret cap. I will run your code, and
navigate around however you like, as a user. (The Kaminsky
back-jacking attack is a successful attack in this sort of game. It
requires that the user will navigate *from* the secret prize document
*to* attacker-controlled content.)

Game 2: There is a secret prize cap, and the user has it loaded *from
the barenakedcap port* in a window. Then the user navigates from that
content to an attacker-provided link. The link can, at the attacker's
discretion, point to attacker-controlled content stored in LAFS. So,
if the link goes to a barenakedcap containing attacker-controlled
content, then the Kaminsky back-jacking attack will work, letting that
attacker-controlled content gain access to the prize cap. But if the
link goes to an HTML5 sandbox wrappedcap, our use of HTML5 sandboxing
will prevent the resulting attacker-controlled content from gaining
the prize cap.


David-Sarah had an idea for a defense that might help in this Game 2
or in a related game, involving another encryption key which is known
to this gateway and unknown to the attacker. Brian argued that the
attacker-controlled content, that gets loaded in this gateway and
given access to that content, will eventually learn any such key or
any such transformation of the URL. Zooko proposed one-time barenaked
URLs -- when the gateway receives a request to load a wrappedcap, then
it generates an unguessable nonce, serves up the HTML5 sandbox wrapper
which includes <iframe src="$SERVER:$BARENAKEDDATAPORT/$NONCE">, and
over on the barenakeddata port, it will answer *only* the first
request for $NONCE by serving up the content. (Any subsequent requests
will get some kind of error.)


After the call was over, I, Zooko, began to wonder what's the point of
the barenakeddata port at all, and if the sandbox port could, instead
of including a src= link pointing to the one-time-URL on the
barenakeddata port,  instead include the actual content in the script
tag. I think Brian mentioned something like that on the call, about
having the gateway put all of the content into a data URL to put into
the script tag, or something. One possible motivation to have the
barenakeddata port at all is to support applications that need access
to the pristine, bitwise exact data, such as in order to download it
to disk. It is kind of funny that we want to have an HTTP server to
serve up pure data, but we never, never want a full-fledged HTTP
client (which interprets Javascript and HTML and all that) to look at
it! Full-fledged HTTP clients should only look at the other HTTP
server -- the one that serves up sandboxed content. Only custom
scripts should look at the one that serves up pure bytes.
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From jya at pipeline.com  Wed Aug 29 11:21:57 2012
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:21:57 -0400
Subject: [drone-list] Wired on future US military war gaming
Message-ID: <mailman.3701.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

This appears more of the long-running bedazzlement of the public
which war gaming and futuristic toy-like killiing and harming gadgets
was invented to do. If Wired had no criticism of this it should be ashamed.
As should Brookings a once ethical organization.

Wired might give up its threat level strutting and turn to more civilizing
coverage, with less war porn. Sure readers will have to weaned from
the narcotic of play with yourself war and that will be tough with the
rise of masturbatory digital gaming so essential to train gullible
warriors to do what no sane person would do if they visited VA
hospitals grotesqueries instead of TV-watching bury-the-evidence
glorification cemetaries.

Drone pilots are as evil as SEALs and special ops in their willing
participation in political PR stunts of murdering innocents under
orders from distancing executive branch officers. War gamers
and gadget inventors and their media-amoralists are shamelessly
exploiting the WMD heritage of amoral technology and propaganda
aided by NGOs as diabolcial as GOs camouflaged by national
security inviolable sacred cow protected by secrecy.

US titanic export of arms pays for these diverting games and these
obsequious media dressed in hipster cammies, Perhaps unwrite
this very list of friendly fire.



At 10:31 AM 8/29/2012, you wrote:
> Wired (Aug 24) - "From Bug Drones to Disease Assassins, Super Weapons 
> Rule U.S. War Game" by <http://twitter.com/daxe>@daxe:
> <http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/08/future-warfare/all/>http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/08/future-warfare/all/
>
> Drones feature prominently in all of the mid-future war gaming scenarios 
> presented, including insectoid, tire-eating drone swarms deployed to 
> disable the vehicles of enemy combatants.B  It is assumed that the 
> drones of 2025 will have much greater autonomy and be deployed in much 
> greater numbers.
>
> The war gaming event was organized by an Australian consulting firm,  
> <http://www.noeticgroup.com/>The Noetic Group.B  Yet it seems to have 
> been run in conjunction with the Brookings Institution; John V, do you 
> have any insight?B  Two representatives from Brookings are mentioned in  
> the article, Peter W. Singer [  
> <http://twitter.com/peterwsinger>@peterwsinger ] and Allan Friedman [  
> <http://twitter.com/allanfriedman>@allanfriedman ].B  Mr. Singer is an 
> interesting fellow, and a prominent voice in a CBC documentary I watched 
> recently and highly recommend, Remote Control War.
> <http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2011/remotecontrolwar/>http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2011/remotecontrolwar/
>
> gf
>
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From gfoster at entersection.org  Wed Aug 29 14:11:49 2012
From: gfoster at entersection.org (Gregory Foster)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:11:49 -0500
Subject: [drone-list] Israel allegedly assassinates alleged militant within
	Egypt's borders via drone
Message-ID: <mailman.3702.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

   If true, this is the first mention I hear of a nationstate following
   the example of drone-based assassinations established by the United
   States.
   Tikun Olam (Aug 26) - "Israel's First Drone Strike Inside Egyptian
   Territory Kills Sinai Bedouin"
   [1]http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2012/08/26/israels-firs
   t-drone-strike-inside-egyptian-territory-kills-sinai-bedouin/
   CNN is also reporting (Aug 27) and mentions an allegation that the
   mobile phone network in the area was shutdown just prior to the
   incident:
   [2]http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/26/world/meast/egypt-bedouin-killed/i
   ndex.html
   gf
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References

   1. http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2012/08/26/israels-first-drone-strike-inside-egyptian-territory-kills-sinai-bedouin/
   2. http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/26/world/meast/egypt-bedouin-killed/index.html
   3. mailto:gfoster at entersection.org
   4. http://entersection.com/

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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug 29 13:38:24 2012
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:38:24 +0200
Subject: [drone-list] Wired on future US military war gaming
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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:14:27 +0200
Subject: [drone-list] Israel allegedly assassinates alleged militant
  within 	Egypt's borders via drone
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From gfoster at entersection.org  Thu Aug 30 11:32:13 2012
From: gfoster at entersection.org (Gregory Foster)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:32:13 -0500
Subject: [drone-list] Apple rejects Drones+ iPhone app
Message-ID: <mailman.3703.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

   Wired (Aug 30) - "Apple Rejects App That Tracks U.S. Drone Strikes"
   [1]http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/08/drone-app/
   One of Clay Shirky's students has received repeated rejections from
   Apple for an app which republishes The Bureau of Investigative
   Journalism's drone strike statistics.  Their latest rejection simply
   states the content is "objectionable and crude."
   Indeed, it is.
   gf
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@gregoryfoster <> [3]http://entersection.com/

References

   1. http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/08/drone-app/
   2. mailto:gfoster at entersection.org
   3. http://entersection.com/

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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Aug 30 05:14:51 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:14:51 +0200
Subject: Secrecy News -- 08/27/12
Message-ID: <20120830121451.GC12615@leitl.org>

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From ben.mendis at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 11:44:29 2012
From: ben.mendis at gmail.com (Ben Mendis)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:44:29 -0400
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] Byzantium Discovery PDF
Message-ID: <mailman.3704.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Here is the core of the authentication issue: It's necessary to one of
our scenarios, but a non-starter for the other.

The Doctor and many of the more paranoid members of this list they
envision Byzantium as the solution to a technologically sophisticated
adversary who as taken control of their Internet access. They look to
examples like Syria and think that anything less that perfect anonymity
is just going to get people killed. They are concerned with hiding and
staying hidden while still communicating with the outside world.

On the other hand, if we're talking about a natural disaster such as
Haiti or Katrina or DC-when-the-wind-blows, then having some
authentication (even if it is weak) could be vital to organizing an
effective response and recovery effort. Users would be communicating
with their friends and neighbors or emergency responders, not random
strangers. Far from hiding, they want to be found and identified and
helped.

This all hinges on whether or not we anticipate that a technologically
sophisticated adversary is out to get us. In my opinion Syria is a
special case. On the other hand, natural disasters (big and small) are a
fact of life in every part of the world.

We're revisiting the issue of solving for Katrina versus solving for
Egypt. I think we need to keep focusing on solving for Katrina first.
However, as a concession to the Egypt use case, any
authentication/identity solutions we come up with should be strictly
optional.

That said, implementing distributed authentication/identity is a hard
problem, so it behooves us to start thinking about it early and
investigating the possibilities.


Ben the Pyrate.


On 08/30/2012 11:15 AM, Dave Duchesneau wrote:
> I have a few comments to Project Byzantium (where I mostly just lurk for
> now), prefaced by some excerpts from recent dialog.
>
>>> Conclusion: Sometimes authentication is necessary and [desirable]...
>>> Sometimes it really is needed, and sometimes it is not.
>> I agree with your conclusion (but not with all of your reasoning).
>> ...[Authentication] in a decentralized network...is very hard to manage.
>> ...Byzantium is...designed to let people communicate...
>> ...in a time of emergency...
>> ... the lack of [authentication] isn't *necessarily* detrimental...
>>> I have heard horror stories of people who thought using GPG... 
>>> was good security culture, until they realized that their 
>>> professional profile had been automatically connected to their 
>>> 'activist' profile...to the users detriment.  Rather than 
>>> providing security, it incriminated them post-hoc...
>>> These are things to consider... 
>> GPG itself doesn't do anything.  If you use multiple identities 
>> (i.e. mail addresses) with the same key, then you're responsible 
>> for the resulting connection.  If you want to keep multiple 
>> distinct "profiles", then use distinct keys...
> The problems associated with a project like Byzantium are both deep and
> wide.  Taken together, the problems are hard to solve because the *best*
> solution to one problem may increase the difficulty of solving another, or
> even create a brand-new problem altogether.  The difficulty of solving the
> inherent problems is further compounded by the lack of visibility into the
> future importance of one problem relative to another.  Thus, before one
> focuses on solving a particular problem, it may be prudent to ensure that
> the problem itself merits so much attention.  However, the attention should
> be focused first on accurately defining the actual problem rather than
> engineering a solution.
>
> For example, in the case of authentication, I think it merits a lot of
> attention, in order to identify exactly what is needed, and in what
> circumstances.  This necessitates understanding what is to be gained and
> what must be given up, and under what circumstances such trade-offs may be
> appropriate or inappropriate.  Put another way, ask yourself under what
> circumstances would you be willing to trade breathable air for drinkable
> water, or vice-versa?  All of a sudden we find ourselves asking more
> questions and questioning our assumptions, which is as it should be.  As
> usual, once we've asked the right questions and understand their relative
> importance in a given context, getting good answers may be relatively
> straightforward.  
>
> Personally, I'm delighted to see the discussion that is taking place here,
> because it increases the odds of getting the truly relevant issues out in
> the open, where the implications (e.g., cause-and-effect relationships) may
> be better understood by a wider audience (or even, at all).  We may be
> smarter collectively, but only if we can harness what we know individually.
>
> Dave Duchesneau
> ddd at crisis-force.org
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Baptiste Jonglez [mailto:baptiste at jonglez.org] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:12 AM
> To: byzantium at hacdc.org
> Subject: Re: [HacDC:Byzantium] Byzantium Discovery PDF
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 02:25:21AM -0700, black_sector at riseup.net wrote:
>> Signed authentication destroys anonymity in most cases. There are times
>> when you want to know who everyone is that you are dealing with. There are
>> other times when leaving a 'crypto-trail' right back to your door is
>> actually a bad thing, and not something you would want for your comrades.
> While I also disagree with Nicholas when it comes to require some sort
> of log-in to use the services, I don't think he was thinking of
> involving any crypto.
>
>> I think that MD5 and similar is often a good alternative for signed
>> authentication. Perhaps it is not sufficient for a repository handler, but
>> it is generally sufficient for end users. After all, an authenticated
>> package only means you have verified the source but not that the package
>> is untampered with necessarily. Checking the MD5 or Sha* actually tells
>> you about the condition of the package, client side. If the file checks
>> out and passes MD5, then making sure you authenticated the sender is not
>> that relevant. If however the package is corrupted or tampered with,
>> knowing who provided it warns you that the source is unreliable.
> Wait, there is something wrong here. Do you really think MD5 (or sha*,
> for that matters) is an algorithm that provides *authentification*?
>
> It just doesn't make sense. If an attacker is tampering with a file,
> he can *also* modify the md5sum written to a file just next to it.
>
> Signing a file with a GPG key, for instance, is way more
> robust. Assuming the algorithm isn't flawed, in order to tamper with the
> file without being noticed, you must either take control of the
> private key (which is supposed to be well protected), or use your own
> key and make it look like it's the right one, which is also quite
> hard.
>
>> It is worth noting that even major repository maintainers often make no
>> promises that their software is free of malware. They do not audit every
>> package. You can get a rootkit from a major linux distro (potentially) by
>> adding an app that got by somebody, without adding anything third party.
>> Linux is more secure than Windows and more people are watching for these
>> things, but it took a good minute before somebody actuaolly audited Google
>> Chrome and found data-mining software in it. An authenticated open-source
>> application is not automatic protection against various threats. Being
>> able to audit something only counts if somebody actually does, and then we
>> have to trust that they will bring it to public attention.
> Your example is flawed, since Google Chrome is *not* Free Software
> (unless you're referring to Chromium, which is).
>
> As for Free Software projects, it's all a matter of trust. The project
> leader(s) often keep a close eye on code contribution. If the source
> code is compiled by a project member and then immediately signed with
> a PGP key, it's pretty robust against tampering (again, you can never
> be 100% sure).
>
> As for source code alteration, you might remember the attack on
> kernel.org: thanks to git, we were sure (as far as sha256 collision
> are hard to produce) that the attackers didn't modify the repository,
> or else the developers' trees would no longer match the ones on
> kernel.org.
>
>> Conclusion: Sometimes authentication is necessary and desireable, but I
>> would not advocate its use only because it is common or standard in Linux
>> and the server world. I like to keep it simple and only add what is
>> actually needed. Sometimes it really is needed, and sometimes it is not.
> I agree with your conclusion (but not with all of your reasoning).
>
> As haxwithaxe pointed out, authentification in a decentralized network
> like this is very hard to manage.
>
> Besides, I doubt the goal of Byzantium is to build some kind of
> Facebook over mesh networking (again, I might be wrong). It's designed
> to let people communicate with each others, potentially in a time of
> emergency.
>
> And more fundamentally, the lack of authentification isn't
> *necessarily* detrimental. Have you ever used IRC? :)
>
>> I have heard horror stories of people who thought using GPG for their
>> emails was good security culture, until they realized that their
>> professional profile had been automatically connected to their 'activist'
>> profile. Now they are linked and government and corporate search engines
>> can connect the dots to the users detriment. Rather than providing
>> security, it incriminated them post-hoc.
>>
>>
>> These are things to consider. I strongly dislike how GPG automatically
>> connects profiles together. That is why I do not use it myself.
> GPG itself doesn't do anything. If you use multiple identities
> (i.e. mail addresses) with the same key, then you're responsible for
> the resulting connection. If you want to keep multiple distinct
> "profiles", then use distinct keys.
>
> Baptiste
>





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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:37:41 +0200
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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Aug 30 07:09:04 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:09:04 +0200
Subject: Researchers Hack Brainwaves to Reveal PIN Numbers, Other
  Personal 	Data
Message-ID: <20120830140904.GJ12615@leitl.org>

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/08/brainwave-hacking/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialmedia&utm_campaign=twitterclickthru


Threat Level


Researchers Hack Brainwaves to Reveal PIN Numbers, Other Personal Data

    By Geeta Dayal 08.29.12 7:58 PM

The bdeveloper editionb of the Emotiv Epoc headset b if you think you can
handle it. Photo: drbakker/Flickr

Donbt you dare even think about your banking account password when you slap
on those fancy new brainwave headsets.

Or at least that seems to be the lesson of a new study which found that
sensitive personal information, such as PIN numbers and credit card data, can
be gleaned from the brainwave data of users wearing popular consumer-grade
EEG headsets.

A team of security researchers from Oxford, UC Berkeley, and the University
of Geneva say that they were able to deduce digits of PIN numbers, birth
months, areas of residence and other personal information by presenting 30
headset-wearing subjects with images of ATM machines, debit cards, maps,
people, and random numbers in a series of experiments. The paper, titled bOn
the Feasibility of Side-Channel Attacks with Brain Computer Interfaces,b
represents the first major attempt to uncover potential security risks in the
use of the headsets.

bThe correct answer was found by the first guess in 20% of the cases for the
experiment with the PIN, the debit cards, people, and the ATM machine,b write
the researchers. bThe location was exactly guessed for 30% of users, month of
birth for almost 60% and the bank based on the ATM machines for almost 30%.b

To detect the first digit of the PIN, researchers presented the subjects with
numbers from 0 to 9, flashing on the screen in random order, one by one. Each
number was repeated 16 times, over a total duration of 90 seconds. The
subjectsb brainwaves were monitored for telltale peaks that would rat them
out.

The EEG headsets, made by companies such as Emotiv Systems and NeuroSky, have
become increasingly popular for gaming and other applications. For the study,
the researchers used the Emotiv Epoc Neuroheadset, which retails for $299.

The researchers b Ivan Martinovic of Oxford University; Doug Davies, Mario
Frank, Daniele Perito, and Dawn Song of UC Berkeley; and Tomas Ros of the
University of Geneva b analyzed P300 peaks, an important component of
event-related potentials b electrical potentials that happen after the user
is presented with a stimulus.

The P300 boccurs approximately 300 milliseconds after an event happens,b said
Frank, a postdoctoral researcher at Berkeley, in a phone interview with
Wired. bThe potential arises if you already prime your thoughts toward a
particular eventb&. An attacker could try to prime the thoughts of the victim
towards a particular secret that a victim has in mind. For instance, if you
know the face of some person, you might be able to observe a brainwave
pattern that is evidence of the user thinking about the face.b

bBrain Spywareb

Emotiv and NeuroSky both have bapp stores,b where users of the devices can
download third-party applications. The applications use a common API for
access to the EEG device.

bIn the case of the EEG devices, this API provides unrestricted access to the
raw EEG signal,b write the researchers. bFurthermore, such applications have
complete control over the stimuli that can be presented to the users.b

The researchers envision a scenario in which a potential malicious attacker
could write bbrain spywareb to harvest private information from the user,
which could be legitimately downloaded as an app.

bWe simulated a scenario where someone writes a malicious app, the user
downloads it and trusts the app, and actively supports all the calibration
steps of the device to make the software work,b said Frank. In these
seemingly innocuous calibration steps, which are standard for most games and
other applications using the headsets, there could be the potential to
harvest personal information.

bWe realized that these devices are becoming increasingly popular b maybe in
five, 10 years, itbs very likely that many households will have one,b Frank
said. bAt the same time, you can use all kinds of third-party apps for these
devices. In this setting, as security researchers, we identified that there
is a potential to make some bad stuff, to turn this technology against the
user.b He said, however, that there was no immediate threat in using the
devices. But the experiments devised by the researchers point to the devicesb
darker potential.

bThe simplicity of our experiments suggests the possibility of more
sophisticated attacks,b write the researchers, warning that bwith the
ever-increasing quality of devices, success rate of attacks will likely
improve.b Geeta Dayal

Geeta Dayal is a staff writer at Wired, based in San Francisco. She is the
author of Another Green World, a recent book on Brian Eno.




From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Aug 30 09:25:53 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:25:53 +0200
Subject: Trapwire surveillance system exposed in document leak
Message-ID: <20120830162552.GR12615@leitl.org>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/13/trapwire-surveillance-system-exposed-leak

Trapwire surveillance system exposed in document leak

Papers released by WikiLeaks show US department of homeland security paid
$832,000 to deploy system in two cities

Charles Arthur, technology editor

guardian.co.uk, Monday 13 August 2012 19.04 BST	

CCTV

Trapwire uses data from CCTV networks to figure out the threat level.
Photograph: Martin Bureau/AFP/Getty Images

It sounds like something from the film Minority Report: a CCTV surveillance
system that recognises people from their face or walk and analyses whether
they might be about to commit a terrorist or criminal act. But Trapwire is
real and, according to documents released online by WikiLeaks last week, is
being used in a number of countries to try to monitor people and threats.

Founded by former CIA agents, Trapwire uses data from a network of CCTV
systems and numberplate readers to figure out the threat level in huge
numbers of locations. That means security officials can "focus on the highest
priorities first, taking a proactive and collaborative approach to defence
against attacks," say its creators.

The documents outlining Trapwire's existence and its deployment in the US
were apparently obtained in a hack of computer systems belonging to the
intelligence company Stratfor at the end of last year.

Documents from the US department of homeland security show that it paid
$832,000 to deploy Trapwire in Washington DC and Seattle.

Stratfor describes Trapwire as "a unique, predictive software system designed
to detect patterns of pre-attack surveillance and logistical planning", and
cites the Washington DC police chief mentioning it during a Senate committee
hearing. It serves "a wide range of law enforcement personnel and public and
private security officials domestically and internationally", Stratfor says.

Some have expressed doubts that Trapwire could really forecast terrorist acts
based on data from cameras, but Rik Ferguson, security consultant at Trend
Micro, said the software for such systems had existed for some time.

"There's a lot of crossover between CCTV and facial recognition," he said.
"It's feasible to have a camera looking for suspicious behaviour b for
example, in a computer server room it could recognise someone via facial
recognition or your gait, then can identify them from the card they swipe to
get in, and then know whether it's suspicious if they're meant to be a
cleaner and they sit down at a computer terminal."

The claims might seem overblown, but then the idea that the US could have an
international monitoring system seemed absurd until the discovery of the
Echelon system, used by the US to eavesdrop on electronic communications
internationally.

Trapwire has not yet commented on the leak.




From gfoster at entersection.org  Thu Aug 30 20:28:15 2012
From: gfoster at entersection.org (Gregory Foster)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:28:15 -0500
Subject: [drone-list] monitoring reserve parks in DRC Congo
Message-ID: <mailman.3705.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hi Chris,
A couple of projects come to mind.

The Satellite Sentinel Project is using imagery collected by DigitalGlobe 
satellites to monitor war crimes in Sudan and South Sudan.  It might be 
worth reaching out to them to discuss their approach.  I believe Jonathan 
Hutson  
<http://www.enoughproject.org/content/jonathan-hutson-director-communications> 
[ @JonHutson <http://twitter.com/JonHutson> ] may be subscribed to this  
list.
http://satsentinel.org/

It also might be worthwhile to check in with the OpenRelief project to see 
what kind of progress they've made.  Although their focus is disaster 
relief, it seems like the sensor package they're working on could be 
adapted for other uses:
http://www.openrelief.org/

And a search turned up Unmanned Aerial Vehicles - East Africa, which  
appears to provide UAVs for sale or hire, though I couldn't identify their 
physical location.  They specifically advertise support for environmental 
monitoring and appear to have a fairly sophisticated offering including 
mission planning software:
http://uaveastafrica.wordpress.com/uav-uses/environmental-monitoring/

gf


On 8/30/12 4:11 PM, Chris Nicholas wrote:
> Thought people on this list might have some useful advice...
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Society for Conservation and GIS [mailto:SCGIS at LISTSERV.URI.EDU  
> <mailto:SCGIS at LISTSERV.URI.EDU>] On Behalf Of Robert Ford
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:19 PM
> To: SCGIS at LISTSERV.URI.EDU <mailto:SCGIS at LISTSERV.URI.EDU>
> Subject: Use of drones and/or ultra-lights in park management and research
>
> SCGISers:
>
> Bob Ford (myself) and a colleague Steve Schill (Nature Conservancy) are 
> currently assisting the Frankfurt Zoological Society (FZS) in DRC/Congo 
> in the design of new GIS-based management, monitoring, and conservation 
> science research methods and tools for two "Miombo woodland & Savanna" 
> parks in Katanga/DRC (Upemba and Kundelungu) that are just starting 
> rehabilitation of systems and personnel after recent wars and 
> instability.  There are many challenges but also opportunities:
>
> See: http://www.zgf.de/?id=65&projectId=123&language=en
>
> THE NEED:
>
> We need advice from partners/colleagues in SCGIS who have used or are  
> planning to use DRONES, ULTRA-LIGHTS, or SMALL FIXED-WING AIRCRAFT (and 
> associated aerial-based systems) for research, ecosystem monitoring, 
> park management etc.
>
> Our partners are dealing with huge areas (15-20,000 KM/2) that are  
> often insecure or difficult to access.  So, we're wondering if some of  
> these technologies might be utilized effectively to complement  
> traditional on-the- ground patrols, monitoring, etc?
>
> QUESTIONS:
>
> 1. What options/companies, technologies were most COST EFFECTIVE and  
> FEASIBLE FOR USE in DIFFICULT ENVIRONMENTS, E.G. CONGO?
>
> 2. Are there groups in Africa you know using these technologies--  
> particularly in Southern and Central Africa who might assist in  
> support/linkages?
>
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From alexander.huemer at xx.vu  Thu Aug 30 14:03:07 2012
From: alexander.huemer at xx.vu (Alexander Huemer)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:03:07 +0200
Subject: Cryptic Seduction
Message-ID: <20120830210307.GA21602@de.xx.vu>

Hi,

this may be a weird request, but it is meant seriously.
I am searching for the movie 'Cryptic Seduction', which _somehow_ has a
similar background as this ML.
Since I don't know where to ask otherwise, I am asking here.
If anybody has a hint for me, thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
-Alex




From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Aug 30 23:37:16 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:37:16 +0200
Subject: [drone-list] Apple rejects Drones+ iPhone app
Message-ID: <20120831063715.GW12615@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Gregory Foster <gfoster at entersection.org> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Aug 30 23:37:55 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:37:55 +0200
Subject: [HacDC:Byzantium] Byzantium Discovery PDF
Message-ID: <20120831063755.GY12615@leitl.org>

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From monty at roscom.com  Fri Aug 31 06:02:58 2012
From: monty at roscom.com (Monty Solomon)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:02:58 -0400
Subject: Hantavirus warning e-mails and letters
Message-ID: <mailman.3706.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Excerpt from

2 more Yosemite visitors have hantavirus
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/story/2012-08-30/yosemite-hantavirus-warnings/57435330/1

Meanwhile, the park sent warning e-mails and letters on Wednesday to another
1,000 people who stayed in tent cabins in Curry Village, after officials
found that a computer glitch had stopped the notices from going out with the
original 1,700 warnings on Monday. The warning says anyone with flu-like
symptoms or respiratory problems should seek immediate medical attention.

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From sla at ucolick.org  Fri Aug 31 10:20:22 2012
From: sla at ucolick.org (Steve Allen)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:20:22 -0700
Subject: ... civil timekeeping meeting (RISKS-26.92,93,98,27.01)
Message-ID: <mailman.3707.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

> And the people who don't like leap seconds or find them hard to deal
> with can switch to TAI, which already exists.  Need a cheap local
> source of TAI?  Get a GPS.  And start setting up an NTP network of TAI
> timeservers -- anyone doing this yet?

People are doing this.  Several manufacturers of NTP servers allow an option
where it can *violate the NTP spec* and provide GPS time or TAI instead of
UTC.  Alternatively, the IEEE 1588 spec for PTP is all about this notion of
an operational system time scale based on TAI.  Alas, many international
agencies responsible for this subject do not have scope of purview to make
pronouncements on this subject, and the proceedings of various meetings do
not show consensus.

During the past decade the pronouncements from the providers of TAI at BIPM
have done an about face.  In 1999 the CCTF wrote saying yes, use TAI instead
of UTC:

  The CCTF recommends, therefore, that in conformity with this ITU
  Recommendation developers of future satellite navigation systems and
  electronic communication systems should link their time scales to TAI as
  the only alternative to UTC and that, insofar as it is feasible, existing
  systems take steps to align their time scales with TAI.
http://ursiweb.intec.ugent.be/A_97-99.htm

But in 2007 the CCTF wrote quite the opposite, saying no, do not use TAI
instead of UTC:

  TAI is the uniform time scale underlying UTC, and that it should not be
  considered as an alternative time reference.
http://www.bipm.org/cc/CCTF/Allowed/18/CCTF_09-27_note_on_UTC-ITU-R.pdf

TAI also does not serve POSIX, which specifies that the time_t is based on a
trivial relationship to the face-value of UTC and that all days must have
86400 seconds.  Unfortunately for POSIX the entire point of the UTC used in
radio broadcast time signals since 1972 is that the second is not related to
the day.

 From a system engineering standpoint it makes sense to use TAI, but its
providers do not clearly agree.  Furthermore, it is not possible to use TAI
in an operational system because its value is not available until the next
month.  Using GPS system time is an available good choice from an
engineering standpoint, but GPS does not have international standard status
required by some contractual specifications.

The previous meeting on the future of UTC re-visited many of these subjects.
The final paper at that meeting gave a worked example of using leap-free
uniform atomic time (GPS or TAI) for POSIX while still retaining the notion
of UTC day defined by earth rotation.  Slides and preprints of the 400 pages
proceedings are available at
  http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/futureofutc/2011/index.cfm

Steve Allen, UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB, 1156 High Street, Santa Cruz, CA
95064  http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/ +1 831 459 3046  <sla at ucolick.org>

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From coderman at gmail.com  Fri Aug 31 11:46:06 2012
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:46:06 -0700
Subject: This List Is Terrorist
In-Reply-To: <E1T7UYS-0000db-00@pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <E1T7UYS-0000db-00@pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAJVRA1S8weBzpcdjELZQxf1k3-p+UxXKekU-=2FvMNPL7oRfKw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:58 AM, John Young <jya at pipeline.com> wrote:
> On Twitter @th3j35t3r, an alleged undercover informant, is claiming
> this list is an Al Qaeda affiliate...

th3j35t3r is a fount of comedy indeed!

lame XerXeS ahead...




From jya at pipeline.com  Fri Aug 31 09:58:44 2012
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:58:44 -0400
Subject: This List Is Terrorist
Message-ID: <E1T7UYS-0000db-00@pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

On Twitter @th3j35t3r, an alleged undercover informant, is claiming
this list is an Al Qaeda affiliate based on Google hits of my posts to
<bold>cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net </bold>.

He and followers will paroxysm when Andy Greenberg's book is released
on September 13, 2012:

http://cryptome.org/2012/08/greenberg-leaks-secrets.pdf

Be thankful the due date is not 9/11.

The SEAL political PR stunt book release was moved from 9/13 to 9/7,
continuation of the OBL/Al Qaeda political PR stunt begun in the 1970s,
but latest installment now leaking copiously boosted by DoD threat of a
law suit, and DoJ cessation of any CIA prosecution for the decades-long
thriller, the agency's best ever, 100s complicit, 1000s dead,
millions fooled, billions squandered.

CIA sings joyously "tomorrow will always be 9/12."




From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Aug 31 05:17:27 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:17:27 +0200
Subject: [drone-list] monitoring reserve parks in DRC Congo
Message-ID: <20120831121727.GA12615@leitl.org>

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From unclezzzen at gmail.com  Fri Aug 31 00:29:40 2012
From: unclezzzen at gmail.com (Uncle Zzzen)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:29:40 +0700
Subject: [liberationtech] Request for comments - a #CryptoParty-oriented
	keysigning protocol
Message-ID: <mailman.3708.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

I have an idea for a keysigning protocol that IMHO can better suit
http://cryptoparty.org events than the "traditional" ones.
http://thedod.noblogs.org/post/2012/08/31/request-for-comments-unique-card-signing-party/

Please comment (preferably at the post) if you see faults it it,
possible attacks in it, etc.

This is not theoretical. We might have an event soon :)
http://666kb.com/i/c6rz797sd8mqa42pi.jpg

Thanks,
The Dod

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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Aug 31 05:37:52 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:37:52 +0200
Subject: [liberationtech] Request for comments - a #CryptoParty-oriented
  	keysigning protocol
Message-ID: <20120831123752.GD12615@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Aug 31 11:33:06 2012
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:33:06 +0200
Subject: This List Is Terrorist
In-Reply-To: <E1T7UYS-0000db-00@pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <E1T7UYS-0000db-00@pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20120831183306.GF12615@leitl.org>

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:58:44PM -0400, John Young wrote:
> On Twitter @th3j35t3r, an alleged undercover informant, is claiming

That guy is way out to lunch (and probably one day will be
coming to grief). Not worth losing one thought about.

> this list is an Al Qaeda affiliate based on Google hits of my posts to
> <bold>cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net </bold>.
>
> He and followers will paroxysm when Andy Greenberg's book is released
> on September 13, 2012:
>
> http://cryptome.org/2012/08/greenberg-leaks-secrets.pdf
>
> Be thankful the due date is not 9/11.
>
> The SEAL political PR stunt book release was moved from 9/13 to 9/7,
> continuation of the OBL/Al Qaeda political PR stunt begun in the 1970s,
> but latest installment now leaking copiously boosted by DoD threat of a
> law suit, and DoJ cessation of any CIA prosecution for the decades-long
> thriller, the agency's best ever, 100s complicit, 1000s dead,
> millions fooled, billions squandered.
>
> CIA sings joyously "tomorrow will always be 9/12."
-- 
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From dave at farber.net  Fri Aug 31 18:02:08 2012
From: dave at farber.net (Dave Farber)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 21:02:08 -0400
Subject: Lockheed Air-Traffic Upgrade Now on Track, FAA Chief Says
Message-ID: <mailman.3709.1576008239.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

A $2.4-billion replacement for the U.S. air-traffic control computers
plagued by delays and cost overruns will be completed within the revised
budget and 2014 deadline, said Michael Huerta, acting chief of the FAA.
[ERAM - En-Route Automation Modernization]  [Bloomberg, PGN-ed]

  (well maybe!!! djf)

  [Browse on the Subject line for the article.  Dave's comment might relate
  to the fact that some of our readers may remember the eventual cancelation
  of an earlier en-route ATC modernization effort, after the expenditure of
  $4 billion.  It's nice to know costs are coming down!  PGN]

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