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From measl at mfn.org  Mon Jan  3 10:58:56 2011
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:58:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Computers That See You and Keep Watch Over You
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<SNIP>

> Google could have put face recognition into the Goggles application; indeed,
> many users have asked for it. But Google decided against it because
> smartphones can be used to take pictures of individuals without their
> knowledge, and a face match could retrieve all kinds of personal information
> b name, occupation, address, workplace.
> 
> b
It was just too sensitive, and we didnbt want to go there,b
 said Eric E.
> Schmidt, the chief executive of Google. b
You want to avoid enabling stalker
> behavior.b


Coming from Google, "not wanting to enable stalker behaviour" is a rich 
irony indeed. The world's largest and most sophisticated stalker "has 
concerns"...  Yeah.


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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Jan  3 08:57:57 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:57:57 +0100
Subject: Computers That See You and Keep Watch Over You
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/02/science/02see.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print

Computers That See You and Keep Watch Over You

By STEVE LOHR

Hundreds of correctional officers from prisons across America descended last
spring on a shuttered penitentiary in West Virginia for annual training
exercises.

Some officers played the role of prisoners, acting like gang members and
stirring up trouble, including a mock riot. The latest in prison gear got a
workout b body armor, shields, riot helmets, smoke bombs, gas masks. And, at
this yearbs drill, computers that could see the action.

Perched above the prison yard, five cameras tracked the play-acting
prisoners, and artificial-intelligence software analyzed the images to
recognize faces, gestures and patterns of group behavior. When two groups of
inmates moved toward each other, the experimental computer system sent an
alert b a text message b to a corrections officer that warned of a potential
incident and gave the location.

The computers cannot do anything more than officers who constantly watch
surveillance monitors under ideal conditions. But in practice, officers are
often distracted. When shifts change, an observation that is worth passing
along may be forgotten. But machines do not blink or forget. They are
tireless assistants.

The enthusiasm for such systems extends well beyond the nationbs prisons.
High-resolution, low-cost cameras are proliferating, found in products like
smartphones and laptop computers. The cost of storing images is dropping, and
new software algorithms for mining, matching and scrutinizing the flood of
visual data are progressing swiftly.

A computer-vision system can watch a hospital room and remind doctors and
nurses to wash their hands, or warn of restless patients who are in danger of
falling out of bed. It can, through a computer-equipped mirror, read a manbs
face to detect his heart rate and other vital signs. It can analyze a womanbs
expressions as she watches a movie trailer or shops online, and help
marketers tailor their offerings accordingly. Computer vision can also be
used at shopping malls, schoolyards, subway platforms, office complexes and
stadiums.

All of which could be helpful b or alarming.

bMachines will definitely be able to observe us and understand us better,b
said Hartmut Neven, a computer scientist and vision expert at Google. bWhere
that leads is uncertain.b

Google has been both at the forefront of the technologybs development and a
source of the anxiety surrounding it. Its Street View service, which lets
Internet users zoom in from above on a particular location, faced privacy
complaints. Google will blur out peoplebs homes at their request.

Google has also introduced an application called Goggles, which allows people
to take a picture with a smartphone and search the Internet for matching
images. The companybs executives decided to exclude a facial-recognition
feature, which they feared might be used to find personal information on
people who did not know that they were being photographed.

Despite such qualms, computer vision is moving into the mainstream. With this
technological evolution, scientists predict, people will increasingly be
surrounded by machines that can not only see but also reason about what they
are seeing, in their own limited way.

The uses, noted Frances Scott, an expert in surveillance technologies at the
National Institute of Justice, the Justice Departmentbs research agency,
could allow the authorities to spot a terrorist, identify a lost child or
locate an Alzheimerbs patient who has wandered off.

The future of law enforcement, national security and military operations will
most likely rely on observant machines. A few months ago, the Defense
Advanced Research Projects Agency, the Pentagonbs research arm, awarded the
first round of grants in a five-year research program called the Mindbs Eye.
Its goal is to develop machines that can recognize, analyze and communicate
what they see. Mounted on small robots or drones, these smart machines could
replace human scouts. bThese things, in a sense, could be team members,b said
James Donlon, the programbs manager.

Millions of people now use products that show the progress that has been made
in computer vision. In the last two years, the major online photo-sharing
services b Picasa by Google, Windows Live Photo Gallery by Microsoft, Flickr
by Yahoo and iPhoto by Apple b have all started using face recognition. A
user puts a name to a face, and the service finds matches in other
photographs. It is a popular tool for finding and organizing pictures.

Kinect, an add-on to Microsoftbs Xbox 360 gaming console, is a striking
advance for computer vision in the marketplace. It uses a digital camera and
sensors to recognize people and gestures; it also understands voice commands.
Players control the computer with waves of the hand, and then move to make
their on-screen animated stand-ins b known as avatars b run, jump, swing and
dance. Since Kinect was introduced in November, game reviewers have
applauded, and sales are surging.

To Microsoft, Kinect is not just a game, but a step toward the future of
computing. bItbs a world where technology more fundamentally understands you,
so you donbt have to understand it,b said Alex Kipman, an engineer on the
team that designed Kinect.

bPlease Wash Your Handsb

A nurse walks into a hospital room while scanning a clipboard. She greets the
patient and washes her hands. She checks and records his heart rate and blood
pressure, adjusts the intravenous drip, turns him over to look for bed sores,
then heads for the door but does not wash her hands again, as protocol
requires. bPardon the interruption,b declares a recorded womenbs voice, with
a slight British accent. bPlease wash your hands.b

Three months ago, Bassett Medical Center in Cooperstown, N.Y., began an
experiment with computer vision in a single hospital room. Three small
cameras, mounted inconspicuously on the ceiling, monitor movements in Room
542, in a special care unit (a notch below intensive care) where patients are
treated for conditions like severe pneumonia, heart attacks and strokes. The
cameras track people going in and out of the room as well as the patientbs
movements in bed.

The first applications of the system, designed by scientists at General
Electric, are immediate reminders and alerts. Doctors and nurses are supposed
to wash their hands before and after touching a patient; lapses contribute
significantly to hospital-acquired infections, research shows.

The camera over the bed delivers images to software that is programmed to
recognize movements that indicate when a patient is in danger of falling out
of bed. The system would send an alert to a nearby nurse.

If the results at Bassett prove to be encouraging, more features can be
added, like software that analyzes facial expressions for signs of severe
pain, the onset of delirium or other hints of distress, said Kunter Akbay, a
G.E. scientist.

Hospitals have an incentive to adopt tools that improve patient safety.
Medicare and Medicaid are adjusting reimbursement rates to penalize hospitals
that do not work to prevent falls and pressure ulcers, and whose doctors and
nurses do not wash their hands enough. But it is too early to say whether
computer vision, like the system being tried out at Bassett, will prove to be
cost-effective.

Mirror, Mirror

Daniel J. McDuff, a graduate student, stood in front of a mirror at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technologybs Media Lab. After 20 seconds or so, a
figure b 65, the number of times his heart was beating per minute b appeared
at the mirrorbs bottom. Behind the two-way mirror was a Web camera, which fed
images of Mr. McDuff to a computer whose software could track the blood flow
in his face.

The software separates the video images into three channels b for the basic
colors red, green and blue. Changes to the colors and to movements made by
tiny contractions and expansions in blood vessels in the face are, of course,
not apparent to the human eye, but the computer can see them.

bYour heart-rate signal is in your face,b said Ming-zher Poh, an M.I.T.
graduate student. Other vital signs, including breathing rate, blood-oxygen
level and blood pressure, should leave similar color and movement clues.

The pulse-measuring project, described in research published in May by Mr.
Poh, Mr. McDuff and Rosalind W. Picard, a professor at the lab, is just the
beginning, Mr. Poh said. Computer vision and clever software, he said, make
it possible to monitor humansb vital signs at a digital glance. Daily
measurements can be analyzed to reveal that, for example, a personbs risk of
heart trouble is rising. bThis can happen, and in the future it will be in
mirrors,b he said.

Faces can yield all sorts of information to watchful computers, and the
M.I.T. studentsb adviser, Dr. Picard, is a pioneer in the field, especially
in the use of computing to measure and communicate emotions. For years, she
and a research scientist at the university, Rana el-Kaliouby, have applied
facial-expression analysis software to help young people with autism better
recognize the emotional signals from others that they have such a hard time
understanding.

The two women are the co-founders of Affectiva, a company in Waltham, Mass.,
that is beginning to market its facial-expression analysis software to
manufacturers of consumer products, retailers, marketers and movie studios.
Its mission is to mine consumersb emotional responses to improve the designs
and marketing campaigns of products.

John Ross, chief executive of Shopper Sciences, a marketing research company
that is part of the Interpublic Group, said Affectivabs technology promises
to give marketers an impartial reading of the sequence of emotions that leads
to a purchase, in a way that focus groups and customer surveys cannot. bYou
can see and analyze how people are reacting in real time, not what they are
saying later, when they are often trying to be polite,b he said. The
technology, he added, is more scientific and less costly than having humans
look at store surveillance videos, which some retailers do.

The facial-analysis software, Mr. Ross said, could be used in store kiosks or
with Webcams. Shopper Sciences, he said, is testing Affectivabs software with
a major retailer and an online dating service, neither of which he would
name. The dating service, he said, was analyzing usersb expressions in search
of btrigger wordsb in personal profiles that people found appealing or
off-putting.

Watching the Watchers

Maria Sonin, 33, an office worker in Waltham, Mass., sat in front of a
notebook computer looking at a movie trailer while Affectivabs software,
through the PCbs Webcam, calibrated her reaction. The trailer was for bLittle
Fockers,b starring Robert De Niro and Ben Stiller, which opened just before
Christmas. The software measured her reactions by tracking movements on a
couple of dozen points on her face b mostly along the eyes, eyebrows, nose
and the perimeter of her lips.

To the human eye, Ms. Sonin appeared to be amused. The software agreed, said
Dr. Kaliouby, though it used a finer-grained analysis, like recording that
her smiles were symmetrical (signaling amusement, not embarrassment) and not
smirks. The software, Ms. Kaliouby said, allows for continuous, objective
measurement of viewersb response to media, and in the future will do so in
large numbers on the Web.

Ms. Sonin, an unpaid volunteer, said later that she did not think about being
recorded by the Webcam. bIt wasnbt as if it was a big camera in front of
you,b she said.

Christopher Hamilton, a technical director of visual effects, has used
specialized software to analyze facial expressions and recreate them on the
screen. The films he has worked on include bKing Kong,b bCharlottebs Webb and
bThe Matrix Revolutions.b Using facial-expression analysis technology to
gauge the reaction of viewers, who agree to be watched, may well become a
valuable tool for movie makers, said Mr. Hamilton, who is not involved with
Affectiva.

Today, sampling audience reaction before a movie is released typically means
gathering a couple of hundred people at a preview screening. The audience
members then answer questions and fill out surveys. Yet viewers, marketing
experts say, are often inarticulate and imprecise about their emotional
reactions.

The software bmakes it possible to measure audience response with a
scene-by-scene granularity that the current survey-and-questionnaire approach
cannot,b Mr. Hamilton said. A director, he added, could find out, for
example, that although audience members liked a movie over all, they did not
like two or three scenes. Or he could learn that a particular character did
not inspire the intended emotional response.

Emotion-sensing software, Mr. Hamilton said, might become part of the
entertainment experience b especially as more people watch movies and
programs on Internet-connected televisions, computers and portable devices.
Viewers could share their emotional responses with friends using
recommendation systems based on what scene b say, the protagonistsb dancing
or a car chase b delivered the biggest emotional jolt.

Affectiva, Dr. Picard said, intends to offer its technology as bopt-in only,b
meaning consumers have to be notified and have to agree to be watched online
or in stores. Affectiva, she added, has turned down companies, which she
declined to name, that wanted to use its software without notifying
customers.

Darker Possibilities

Dr. Picard enunciates a principled stance, but one that could become
problematic in other hands.

The challenge arises from the prospect of the rapid spread of less-expensive
yet powerful computer-vision technologies.

At work or school, the technology opens the door to a computerized supervisor
that is always watching. Are you paying attention, goofing off or
daydreaming? In stores and shopping malls, smart surveillance could bring
behavioral tracking into the physical world.

More subtle could be the effect of a person knowing that he is being watched
b and how that awareness changes his thinking and actions. It could be
beneficial: a person thinks twice and a crime goes uncommitted. But might it
also lead to a society that is less spontaneous, less creative, less
innovative?

bWith every technology, there is a dark side,b said Hany Farid, a computer
scientist at Dartmouth. bSometimes you can predict it, but often you canbt.b

A decade ago, he noted, no one predicted that cellphones and text messaging
would lead to traffic accidents caused by distracted drivers. And, he said,
it was difficult to foresee that the rise of Facebook and Twitter and
personal blogs would become troves of data to be collected and exploited in
tracking peoplebs online behavior.

Often, a technology that is benign in one setting can cause harm in a
different context. Google confronted that problem this year with its
face-recognition software. In its Picasa photo-storing and sharing service,
face recognition helps people find and organize pictures of family and
friends.

But the company took a different approach with Goggles, which lets a person
snap a photograph with a smartphone, setting off an Internet search. Take a
picture of the Eiffel Tower and links to Web pages with background
information and articles about it appear on the phonebs screen. Take a
picture of a wine bottle and up come links to reviews of that vintage.

Google could have put face recognition into the Goggles application; indeed,
many users have asked for it. But Google decided against it because
smartphones can be used to take pictures of individuals without their
knowledge, and a face match could retrieve all kinds of personal information
b name, occupation, address, workplace.

bIt was just too sensitive, and we didnbt want to go there,b said Eric E.
Schmidt, the chief executive of Google. bYou want to avoid enabling stalker
behavior.b




From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Jan  3 11:02:16 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:02:16 +0100
Subject: Computers That See You and Keep Watch Over You
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101031256480.8598@mx1.mfn.org>
References: <20110103165757.GA16518@leitl.org>
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On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 12:58:56PM -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote:

> Coming from Google, "not wanting to enable stalker behaviour" is a rich 
> irony indeed. The world's largest and most sophisticated stalker "has 
> concerns"...  Yeah.

Yeah, the Schmidt person is probably engaging in belated 
perception management.

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From measl at mfn.org  Mon Jan  3 22:38:29 2011
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 00:38:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Assange as the Stainless Steel Rat
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101040036570.11398@mx1.mfn.org>

http://bajanreporter.com/julian-assange-the-stainless-steel-rat-by-mattokunobaka/

Julian Assange: The Stainless Steel Rat by Mattokunobaka

Going through news stories this morning, I found one that had caught my 
eye: .Julian Assange to Appear in Court to Appeal. , located at 
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/12/13-13 . Having an interest in 
the case against Mr Assange, and especially the behavior of the United 
States towards him, I proceeded to read the report, when a certain passage 
suddenly leapt out at me.

.Meanwhile a dating site profile from 2007, supposedly created by Assange, 
had prompted by some lively online debate. The profile on the OKCupid site 
featured pictures of Assange, though gave the name Harry Harrison . who 
described himself as a .passionate and often pig- headed activist 
intellectual. who sought to change the world. He concluded: .Write to me 
if you are brave.. (emphasis mine).

I went to the site named and saved a screenshot of the page, located at 
http://www.okcupid.com/profile/HarryHarrison

(NOTE: as of 1.30pm today, OKCupid has removed the page from public view, 
requiring registration to view the page.)

While I was looking over the page, however, it suddenly hit me.I had a 
major key to his personality and the way his thought processes work. Quite 
simple, actually.

I.ll refrain from commenting on the case itself at this time, but I can 
clear up one little mystery: the nom de guerre or username on the OKCupid 
site. If the site is confirmed as his, as is likely, the pseudonym .Harry 
Harrison. is entirely reasonable and to be expected, because it confirms 
that Assange is a fan of science fiction. And it.s a key to the mind of 
Julian Assange.

The author Harry Harrison wrote a series of science fiction novels about a 
character named James Bolivar deGriz, alias .Slippery Jim., or .The 
Stainless Steel Rat.. The original novel was written in 1961; the last was 
published this year. I have the first five or so novels in my personal 
library, and they.re great favorites of mine.

deGriz lived in a future which had no crime, no wrongdoing, and was 
ultimately dull and boring. He refused to be a part of such a boring 
utopia. Thus he decided to give police something to do, and entertain the 
people, by performing fantastic feats of theft and other nonviolent 
crimes, while making the police look like fools. He was wanted by law 
enforcement across numerous solar systems, as well as by planetary 
governments, some with a price on his head.

(Sound familiar so far?)

Eventually, he was captured by (and joined) a supersecret intelligence 
organization, which solved difficult problems concerning societies on 
different worlds. Subsequent novels followed those assignments and 
adventures.

One sees from this admittedly sketchy description of the novels (by 
memory, I admit) that Julian Assange and Wikileaks serve as the .Stainless 
Steel Rat. of the present. His .crimes., if any, have been virtually 
nonviolent, leading .law enforcement. (including the CIA) on a merry 
chase, while he transmits secret documents from corporations and 
governments around the world. He has done this successfully for some years 
now.

It.s evident that he identified intensely with the character of Slippery 
Jim deGriz from his first reading. Using the alias .Harry Harrison. is 
therefore a tribute to the writer he idolizes. I don.t believe Harrison 
himself is aware of this, but the connection seems very clear to me. And 
yet, as a globetrotter, it.s possible that Julian Assange might have met 
Harry Harrison, even in disguise.

It.s also apparent to me that he not only determined to be our .Stainless 
Steel Rat., but that.knowing he couldn.t do it alone.Wikileaks was built 
around the concept.

Assange, as a hacker, shows the independent, .antisocial. and anarchist 
nature of deGriz, although his actions ultimately benefit society. 
Wikileaks (and Assange) have repeatedly thwarted past efforts to contain 
or stop them. They have repeatedly angered corporations and governments by 
disseminating information revealing corruption, lies or otherwise 
embarrassing material. Assange, although an Australian citizen, has no 
.home. as such, moving from place to place. His support team are 
volunteers from diverse places. His equipment, funds and supplementary 
resources are likewise scattered. He has supporters across the world, much 
like some citizens of the fictional future who idolized James Bolivar 
deGriz.

Harrison.s deGriz was a master of disguise, and loved thumbing his nose at 
the cops, performing feats literally under their very eyes. Yesterday, I 
found this story: Assange attended US embassy party in Iceland at 
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/72733,people,news,julian-assange-attended-us-embassy-party-in-iceland?DCMP=NLC-daily, 
dated December 13, 2010. It.s worth quoting at length.

By December 2009, Assange had received the US embassy cables, the Iraq war 
logs, a video of US helicopter pilots mowing down innocent Iraqis, and 
documents relating to the Afghanistan war, all of which were subsequently 
published on WikiLeaks.

Although he had already upset the US, Assange was the toast of Iceland at 
the time of the party, having published a secret report relating to the 
2008 collapse of the country.s banks on WikiLeaks.

It was against this background that Assange apparently thought it would be 
amusing to go into the lion.s den. On the day of the ambassador.s 
reception, he didn.t even bother to wait for Jonsdottir before heading 
over to the US embassy.

Jonsdottir explains: .The irony was that I went to collect him from his 
guesthouse and couldn.t find him, so just went back to work and didn.t 
even go myself.

.I found out later he.d just decided to go on his own and got in by saying 
he was my guest. He said he.d spent a long time talking to Mr Watson..

And, at this time, he was already being sought out by the government of 
the United States.

It would appear that the pattern holds. Assange.s boldness and behavior in 
this instance would mirror exactly the behavior of the deGriz of science 
fiction.

This analysis is only partial and, as I stated, sketchy. I do believe 
there are enough parallels that it offers an important insight into the 
mind and personality of Julian Assange.

It.s doubtful that the United States government would be aware of such 
important connections to understanding their .enemy.. Often political 
appointees, or even those of the traditional hierarchy, are ignorant of 
the subjects they are supposed to deal with. And events of the past ten 
years have confirmed that they do not understand whom they.re fighting 
very well, even now.

Such was the case with Michael D Brown, of Hurricane Katrina infamy 
(.Heckuva job, Brownie.), who was appointed head of FEMA under President 
Bush. He had no qualifications and no experience in Emergency Management. 
Prior to his assignment, he had been a Commissioner for the International 
Arabian Horse Association.

I also remember reading a story some time later about a man assigned to 
head counterterrorism in the FBI. He admitted he knew nothing about Islam, 
and said something to the extent that it .wasn.t needed. for the job.

It.d seem to me that it.s difficult to fight something you don.t 
understand. Sun Tzu realized this some thousands of years ago when he 
wrote .The Art Of War..

If this pattern has continued into the Obama Administration, then, I 
highly doubt they.ve made the connection I.ve described above. Imagination 
is not a quality associated with politics, in my opinion. Only fans of 
science fiction.probably the older ones.would even be aware of Harry 
Harrison.s novels, as I am.

If I am correct, I believe these are important clues to his personality of 
Julian Assange and the nature of Wikileaks itself.




From arma at mit.edu  Tue Jan  4 05:14:36 2011
From: arma at mit.edu (Roger Dingledine)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 08:14:36 -0500
Subject: The Skype begin refusing payments making on their site through
	the Tor
Message-ID: <mailman.2757.1576008173.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 08:02:40AM -0500, Praedor Atrebates wrote:
> For something like skype or paying for ANYTHING via credit card/paypal
>or the like, your anonymity is lost upon making payment so having to pay
>online outside the tor network cannot be a privacy/anonymity violation.
> 
> I would never use tor to make privacy/anonymity breaking payments or
>enter anonymity breaking information - it totally negates the function
>or point of tor in the first place.  Basically, I'm not sure that being
>blocked from making a payment to a company over the tor network is really
>a problem at all.
> 
> Am I missing something?

You're missing the diversity of adversaries that various Tor users might
care about.

For example, imagine you're using Tor to prevent a local observer (e.g.
your government-owned ISP) from discovering that you're going to Skype's
payment page.

More generally, there are people who use Tor to ssh to a server somewhere
-- they really do want to make sure the ssh server is the one they wanted,
and the ssh server really does want to make sure it's them, but they
worry about network-level observers on both sides of the transaction.

Yet another variation is where you don't mind that Skype knows *who*
you are, but you don't want them to know which country you're in today.

--Roger

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From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Jan  4 07:04:42 2011
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:04:42 -0500
Subject: Assange as the Stainless Steel Rat
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101040036570.11398@mx1.mfn.org>
Message-ID: <E1Pa8RI-00028V-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

What might be most enviable about Julian is that he has held
few if any jobs to distract him from exploring personal philosophy 
and to plot great conquests and become very rich. 

During the twenty years from about 18 to 38, he has managed to 
obtain food, shelter, clothing, child care payments, health care, 
expenses for travel and entertainment, laptops and network 
service, and a motorbike for 2-3 years of globe circling -- perhaps
setting up a network of cohorts. (He described his itinerary on
this noble forum in 2001.) 

Nothing unusual about this off-the-grid lifestyle among hackers.
Like a lot of thoughtful humans not convinced steady work for
bosses is a good thing, they do have a knack for avoiding regular 
employment. 

Some speculate they sell their hacker fruits of network (TOR, DoD,
et al) siphoning on the black market, or extort payments from targets 
to return material or to not report nasty info to the authorities or news 
media -- or most profitable, to gin up the bidding for stolen data 
among competitors. Say, the Bank of America ploy, "hard drive"
certified, fool.

Those not adept at keeping income coming this way, can pick up 
a few thousands ratting on other hacker-entrepreneurs to the authorities, 
or best, to commercial spies who extort the ratee for information 
then mark it up as their own product.

These techniques appear to be in full flower with Wikileaks and its
desparate MSM partners, agog fans and penny-ante sock-puppets, 
but are hardly restricted to the newbie initiative. Businesses have 
alwayes used the same tawdry practices to assure profitability to 
the bosses, to screw the workers and investors, and the methods 
are taught in business schools and fine-tuned in lawyers and 
publicist-cum-journalists' conference rooms. 

The deals negotiated among WL and the MSM will make great reading
in the slacker colleges someday but not so long as they are laying
golden eggs. Off the grid is where the real money flows. As is often
yelled in this very iniquitous den.

It must have been said somewhere in blatherdom that Assange's model 
is Zuckenberg not Harry the Rat. He is likely in touch with Goldman and
JP Morgan and the giants of Europe and Asia to get bid on the BoA wad 
and the others in his sample kit. Think about what he's got, or says he's
got on the globe's tax authorities.

Nobody here knows anything about this despite what the archives
reveal. Those are forgeries.




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From rsw at jfet.org  Tue Jan  4 15:06:25 2011
From: rsw at jfet.org (Riad S. Wahby)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:06:25 -0500
Subject: administrivia: surviving nodes?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1012251209100.18397@mx1.mfn.org>
References: <1293264788.11336.8.camel@afterburner> <Pine.LNX.4.64.1012250521500.18397@mx1.mfn.org> <20101225130932.GZ16518@leitl.org> <4D160EC8.80609@rayservers.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.1012251209100.18397@mx1.mfn.org>
Message-ID: <20110104230625.GA9149@sp.serverpronto.com.serverpronto.com>

"J.A. Terranson" <measl at mfn.org> wrote:
> If anyone has these instructions, please, *do* post them.  Im not getting 
> any reply from Riah at jfet/aq.

Sorry, I've been busy with work/life/&c. I will try to put together a
howto later on tonight and post it here.

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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:17:56 +0100
Subject: The Skype begin refusing payments making on their site
  through 	the Tor
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From rsw at jfet.org  Wed Jan  5 12:52:33 2011
From: rsw at jfet.org (Riad S. Wahby)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:52:33 -0500
Subject: CDR Howto (WIP)
Message-ID: <20110105205233.GA26785@sp.serverpronto.com.serverpronto.com>

All,

Twelve hours (or maybe three years, depending who you are) later than
promised, here's the first cut at the CDR howto:

http://al-qaeda.net/cpunk/howto.html

Getting it all set up on your end is not terribly difficult. In fact, in
the past I've cobbled together other implementations where everything
was dispatched through procmail filtering on the Received header (the
list ran that way in 2004 for a month or two), so feel free to riff on
the basic config as long as you don't break anything at the boundary.

The part we have to redesign is the way CDR nodes share their subscriber
lists / maintain a common whitelist. In the past this was done with
Majordomo "who", but I think it's a bad idea to enable this.

I propose instead that each node push its local subscription list to the
other nodes, possibly PGP signed to defend against the obvious attack
whereby massive amounts of garbage can be injected into the whitelist
with very little effort. (Yes, someone can still subscribe a massive
number of addresses to a node, but such activity has less leverage and
will draw attention.)

I'll put together the appropriate scripts tonight(ish), and once someone
else has a node set up we can do some testing and put the D back in CDR.

Regards,

-=rsw




From declan at well.com  Wed Jan  5 23:16:31 2011
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 01:16:31 -0600
Subject: Assange as the Stainless Steel Rat
In-Reply-To: <E1Pa8RI-00028V-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>; from
  jya@pipeline.com on Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 10:04:42AM -0500
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101040036570.11398@mx1.mfn.org>
  <E1Pa8RI-00028V-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20110106011631.A19080@baltwash.com>

On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 10:04:42AM -0500, John Young wrote:
> The deals negotiated among WL and the MSM will make great reading
> in the slacker colleges someday but not so long as they are laying
> golden eggs. Off the grid is where the real money flows. As is often
> yelled in this very iniquitous den.

A friend mentioned this discussion to me, and, egads, I found out I'm
still subscribed to this list after all these years.

John Young is more right than he knows (or, being John, he may know
more about this than the rest of us).
 
This Vanity Fair article posted a few hours ago makes for some
interesting reading about the carefully curated, not always civil,
relationship between WL and the MSM:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/02/the-guardian-201102?printable=true

-Declan




From jya at pipeline.com  Thu Jan  6 05:33:16 2011
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 08:33:16 -0500
Subject: Assange as the Stainless Steel Rat
In-Reply-To: <20110106011631.A19080@baltwash.com>
References: <E1Pa8RI-00028V-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net> 
  <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101040036570.11398@mx1.mfn.org> 
  <E1Pa8RI-00028V-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E1Papxy-00055r-00@pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

A shitty account for it leaves out the crucial information about
money changing hands between WL and its partners, not even
under the ruse of underwriting "expenses." 

Assange's rage at MSM is about getting financially screwed not 
dissimulation of editorial and publication control. 

Assange wants his fortune just as much as publishers and journalists 
and the rest of us do. The nobility of getting information to the public
untainted by venality is ridiculous -- even as PR it is rancid bacon. 

Assange's chronic bitch has been from Day One of WL about getting 
those who use Wikileaks to pay handsomely for it. That was, and is, his
business model, not public service, at least no more public service than
the public service racketeers. It is not about getting press coverage simply 
but coverage for advertising what can be bought under the table and on 
the black market -- just like official and criminal managers of information
flow do -- spies the most generous payers.

The peurile Vanitry Fair gossip about the MSM struggling financially avoids
the real issue of paying sources like WL and hackers and insiders is as if 
there is a solemn compact to pretend that never occurs. Mutual love
and admiration it aint. 

Why be coy about paying WL, out with it. Maybe Daniel will spill those
secrets but not likely due to the money to be made by pretending to tell
all but not really, tell enough to become a player, then play to the max.

What might break the complicity of silence is what leads so many to
leak, getting financially screwed by your partners -- the ever present
threat to human intercourse, not limited to bed partners.

You can bet Bank of America or whoever knows what it will take
for WL not to publish financially damaging data. By now the targets 
have been given samples to ponder, just as the MSM were given.
And Assange will continue to shop in the black market what is 
merely advertised by public disclosures.

This is a well-established business model of hackers and publishing
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From jbates at brightok.net  Thu Jan  6 09:17:30 2011
From: jbates at brightok.net (Jack Bates)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:17:30 -0600
Subject: NIST IPv6 document
Message-ID: <mailman.2758.1576008173.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On 1/6/2011 10:44 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
> On the flip side, however, I would point out that attackers have had vastly
> more resources made available to them in part *because* IPv4 has been so
> easily scanned and abused.  To be sure, a lot of viruses have spread via
> e-mail spam and drive-by downloads, and sparse addressing will not prevent
> script kiddies from banging away on ssh brute force attacks against
> www.yoursite.com.  But there's been a lot of spread through stupidity as
> well.
>

A randomly setup ssh server without DNS will find itself brute force  
attacked. Darknets are setup specifically for detection of scans. One side 
effect of v6, is determining how best to deploy darknets, as we can't just 
take one or two blocks to do it anymore. We'll need to interweave the 
darknets with the production blocks. I wish it was possible via DHCPv6-PD 
to assign a block minus a sub-block (hey, don't use this /64 in the /48 I 
gave you). It could be that darknets will have to go and flow analysis is 
all we'll be left with.


Jack

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From dahonig at cox.net  Thu Jan  6 18:15:51 2011
From: dahonig at cox.net (David Honig)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:15:51 -0800
Subject: Assange as the Stainless Steel Rat
In-Reply-To: <E1Papxy-00055r-00@pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <20110106011631.A19080@baltwash.com> 
  <E1Pa8RI-00028V-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net> 
  <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101040036570.11398@mx1.mfn.org> 
  <E1Pa8RI-00028V-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20110106181551.035678e8@pop.west.cox.net>

At 08:33 AM 1/6/2011 -0500, John Young wrote:
>Assange wants his fortune just as much as publishers and journalists 
>and the rest of us do. The nobility of getting information to the public
>untainted by venality is ridiculous -- even as PR it is rancid bacon. 

Frankly ridiculuous, JA must realize that only ideological motivations are
robust enough for his purposes.  Actually, religion would be sufficient
motivation as well, but all the clueful are atheists.

One must have a day job, semiretired architect, say, so that one can pursue
one's own noble ideals.  Mozart had to tutor and perform and otherwise sell
his time so he could do what he wanted.  I won't speculate on JA's personal
finances but intelligent people capable of controlling their environment
are always valuable.
I'll mention Gilmore and May as examples of selfish-atruistic-techsaints.
Young 
and Assange will be discussed this way, one day. 

On the Daniel <---> JA axis of access-to-leaks I look forward to those more
brazen than JA who don't bother with protecting (US) Collaborators and
other collateral damage.  Daniel, by offering material only to MSM, is a
distraction.  
If MSM were adequate there would be no niche for cryptome, WL, or Daniel's
honeypot.  

WL's current trickle is a disgrace.  Open the pod bay doors, Hal.

...
who'd you rather?  Ardin or Wilen?  



----------------
David Honig
(714) 544 9727
36 Laurelwood Dr.
Irvine, CA 92620




From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jan  6 09:25:02 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:25:02 +0100
Subject: NIST IPv6 document
Message-ID: <20110106172502.GE16518@leitl.org>

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From support at rayservers.com  Fri Jan  7 04:19:04 2011
From: support at rayservers.com (Rayservers)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:19:04 +0000
Subject: Assange as the Stainless Steel Rat
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20110106181551.035678e8@pop.west.cox.net>
References: <20110106011631.A19080@baltwash.com>  
  <E1Pa8RI-00028V-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>  
  <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101040036570.11398@mx1.mfn.org>  
  <E1Pa8RI-00028V-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
  <3.0.5.32.20110106181551.035678e8@pop.west.cox.net>
Message-ID: <4D2704B8.8020309@rayservers.com>

On 07/01/11 02:15, David Honig wrote:
> At 08:33 AM 1/6/2011 -0500, John Young wrote:
>> Assange wants his fortune just as much as publishers and journalists and
>> the rest of us do. The nobility of getting information to the public 
>> untainted by venality is ridiculous -- even as PR it is rancid bacon.
> 
> Frankly ridiculuous, JA must realize that only ideological motivations are 
> robust enough for his purposes.  Actually, religion would be sufficient 
> motivation as well, but all the clueful are atheists.
> 
> One must have a day job, semiretired architect, say, so that one can pursue 
> one's own noble ideals.  Mozart had to tutor and perform and otherwise sell 
> his time so he could do what he wanted.  I won't speculate on JA's personal 
> finances but intelligent people capable of controlling their environment are
> always valuable. I'll mention Gilmore and May as examples of
> selfish-atruistic-techsaints. Young and Assange will be discussed this way,
> one day.
> 
> On the Daniel <---> JA axis of access-to-leaks I look forward to those more 
> brazen than JA who don't bother with protecting (US) Collaborators and other
> collateral damage.  Daniel, by offering material only to MSM, is a 
> distraction. If MSM were adequate there would be no niche for cryptome, WL,
> or Daniel's honeypot.
> 
> WL's current trickle is a disgrace.  Open the pod bay doors, Hal.
> 
> ... who'd you rather?  Ardin or Wilen?
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------- David Honig (714) 544 9727 36 Laurelwood Dr. Irvine, CA
> 92620

Hello David,

http://www.rayservers.com/blog/physics-drives-finance-finance-drives-politics

"Today, we do not have money or stock markets. We have debt tokens, slave
identification cards, money markets instead of stock markets, and fascists in
charge. In a related note, we do not have news, we have propaganda. This is
because we do not have a market for news, we have a market for advertising. News
merely turns into filler in-between the paid advertising spots. Naturally
parasites arise to replace news with propaganda."

So, hell no, religious idealism won't cut it. You need a market.

Best,
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  8 11:03:45 2011
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:03:45 -0500
Subject: [p2p-hackers] Whistle-blower site platform design
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1012222030510.10012@mx1.mfn.org>
References: <E1PVXd0-0004Bt-00@pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>,<Pine.LNX.4.64.1012222030510.10012@mx1.mfn.org>
Message-ID: <SNT138-w25D3DC5C253EF3EAFEDFDF9B0C0@phx.gbl>

Alif wrote...

Much of the WL debacle has been caused by having Julian associated with WL
in the first place.  Anyone who comes after him has the same problem: by
acting as the releaser's mouthpiece, they become the face of the
organization, and in turn they become the object being sold by the MSM, as
opposed to the leaks themselves.

Well, yes and no. The public seems to be far more interested in a person, as
opposed to information. If the existence of a person causes a lot of info
pull, then I'm all for it. Other sites can repost the info, as well as accept
information directly. In other words, I'm not sure there's a huge overall
downside to having an Assange.

-TD


> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:37:03 -0600
> From: measl at mfn.org
> To: jya at pipeline.com
> CC: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
> Subject: Re: [p2p-hackers] Whistle-blower site platform design
>
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, John Young wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
> > The site has a link to an article in which Daniel D-B explains
> > the initiative.
> >
> > Daniel generated a PK on December 13, 2010 with the address
> > ddb at openleaks.org.
> >
> > He welcomes inquiries and advice, as he says, from those with
> <SNIP>
>
> My biggest complaint is being re-implemented, rather than "repaired": WL
> fell over when they used a person, rather than an organization account
> with no human corrolary, to act as the
> acceptor/releaser/ObjPublicRelationsFlac (Julian in WL case).
>
> Much of the WL debacle has been caused by having Julian associated with WL
> in the first place.  Anyone who comes after him has the same problem: by
> acting as the releaser's mouthpiece, they become the face of the
> organization, and in turn they become the object being sold by the MSM, as
> opposed to the leaks themselves.
>
> Any public interfacing should be from a role account, which acts as both
> an anonymizer and a composite "face" for the press.  Not having a real
> person to attach their interests to will help force their interest to
> concentrate upon the leaks themselves.
>
> //Alif
>
> --
> "Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public
> plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to
> the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always
> be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by
> predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."
>
> Joseph Pulitzer, 1907 Speech




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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  8 11:44:00 2011
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:44:00 -0500
Subject: Cypherpunks Targeted
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Fuck 'em. We won, plain and simple.
And what is the persecution of Assange but some sort of revenge from a society
that has, all of a sudden, woken up to the reality of the global internet? Not
only is this cat out of the bag, but an identical cat is out of the bag in
practically every country on earth.

And as amusing as Sterling can be to listen to, if he thinks BlackNet didn't
happen then he has to be high: BlackNet has practically swallowed the internet
and it poops out free files all over the place. No doubt too there's all sorts
of anonymous transactions flowing in there.

Soon, the Pundits will be asking what diplomacy looks like in a world where
big secrets can't be kept.

-TD



>
> Perhaps indicating a revival of a Red Scare initiative against
> Cyperhpunks in connection with promoting Wikileaks panic,
> three attacks have been published in recent days:
>
> 1. Bruce Sterling, 22 December 2010, opens with naming Tim
> May's writing on BlackNet and more:
>
>
> http://www.webstock.org.nz/blog/2010/the-blast-shack/
>
> 2. Philip Pilkington, 21 December 2010, attacks Cryptome
> by recylcing a Readers Digest smear from 2005:
>
>
> https://fixingtheeconomists.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/cryptome-org-weighing-
> in-on-the-debate-on-freedom-of-information/
>
> 3. Jaron Lanier, 20 December 2010, attacks Tim May, John
> Gilmore and others:
>
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/12/the-hazards-of-nerd-s
> upremacy-the-case-of-wikileaks/68217/
>
> If the Red Scare is duplicated more of this will likely come as the
> conspiracy
> net is spread to round up co-conspirators, fellow travellers, fronts like
> EFF, EPIC,
> ACLU, ProPublica and many more.
>
> A long list of suspects here:
>
>
> http://cryptome.org/0002/siss.htm
>
> A shorter Wikileaks-related suspects and documentation here:
>
>
> http://cryptome.org/0003/wikileaks-series.htm
>
> As the campaign heats up it will include deep-pocketed funders, traitors
> planted
> inside security agencies, universities and corporations, squeezed informants
> against the ringleaders, congressional hearings, subpoenas, frightened
naming
> of names, scouring of files for connecting dots at Archive.org, search
> engines,
> social media, mail lists, news lists, chat rooms, IMs, email, and the
> bountiful
> data collected by corporations, researchers, governments and their
> contractors
> who claimed they were merely studying the fantastic growth of empowering
> digital culture or more sinisterly, preparing to protect the people from
> anarchist
> enemies of centralized authoritatives.
>
> Now this list predicted this reaction and described how to preposition
> defenses. Or was that just pretending overthrow of authoritatives?
>
> Read the EFF and others' letter to Congress yesterday defending Wikileaks
> and compare it to similar actions in the 1930s-1950s protesting clamp down
> on the worldwide Red Menace. Then read Sterling, Pilkington and Lanier
> more closely. These smart guys know which way the wind is blowing and,
> as they write, they want no part in the insanity of taking freedom of
> information
> too literally. In short, punish Assange, Wikileaks and co-conspirators as
> a lesson to others that dissidence is "taken very seriously."




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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:18:31 +0100
Subject: A Walled Wide Web for Nervous Autocrats
Message-ID: <20110108211831.GP16518@leitl.org>

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576065641376054226.html?mod=WSJASIA_hpp_MIDDLESecondNews

A Walled Wide Web for Nervous Autocrats

Beijing and Moscow see American information technology as a threat. They want
systems of their own

By EVGENY MOROZOV

At the end of 2010, the "open-source" software movement, whose activists tend
to be fringe academics and ponytailed computer geeks, found an unusual ally:
the Russian government. Vladimir Putin signed a 20-page executive order
requiring all public institutions in Russia to replace proprietary software,
developed by companies like Microsoft and Adobe, with free open-source
alternatives by 2015.

The move will save billions of dollars in licensing fees, but Mr. Putin's
motives are not strictly economic. In all likelihood, his real fear is that
Russia's growing dependence on proprietary software, especially programs sold
by foreign vendors, has immense implications for the country's national
security. Free open-source software, by its nature, is unlikely to feature
secret back doors that lead directly to Langley, Va.


Anthony Russo

Nor is Russia alone in its distrust of commercial software from abroad. Just
two weeks after Mr. Putin's executive order, Iran's minister of information
technology, citing security concerns, announced plans for a national
open-source operating system. China has also expressed a growing interest.
When state-owned China Mobile recently joined the Linux Foundation, the
nonprofit entity behind the most famous open-source project, one of the
company's executives announcedbominously to the ears of somebthat the company
was "looking forward to contributing to Linux on a global scale."

Information technology has been rightly celebrated for flattening traditional
boundaries and borders, but there can be no doubt that its future will be
shaped decisively by geopolitics. Over the past few years, policymakers
around the world have had constant reminders of their growing dependence
onband vulnerability tobthe new technology: the uncovering of the mysterious
China-based GhostNet network, which spied on diplomatic missions around the
globe; the purported crippling of Iran's nuclear capability by the Stuxnet
virus; and, of course, the whole WikiLeaks affair. Governments are taking a
closer look at who is providing their hardware, software and servicesband
they are increasingly deciding that it is dangerous not to develop
independent national capabilities of their own.

Open-source software can allay some of these security concerns. Though such
systems are more democratic than closed ones, they are also easier to
manipulate, especially for governments with vast resources at their command.
But open-source solutions can't deal with every perceived threat. As Google
learned, the Chinese government continues to see Western search engines as a
challenge to its carefully managed presentation of controversial subjects.
Similarly, email can be read by the host government of the company offering
the service, and the transmission of sensitive data can be intercepted via
secret back doors and sent to WikiLeaks or its numerous local equivalents.

For these reasons, more governments are likely to start designating Internet
services as a strategic industry, with foreign firms precluded from competing
in politically sensitive niches. The Turkish government has emerged as the
leading proponent of such "information independence," floating the idea of
both a national search engine and a national email system. Authorities in
Russia, China and Iran have debated similar proposals.

Judging by last year's standoff between the BlackBerry maker Research in
Motion and the governments of India, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab
Emirates, questions of access also will play a growing role in shaping
technology. If a government suspects that the U.S. National Security Agency
has arranged to be able to retrieve private emails sent with BlackBerry's
secure encryption technology, it starts to wonder why it doesn't have similar
streams of intelligence data, from BlackBerry as well as from services like
Gmail and Skype. At a minimum, more governments will demand that data servers
base their operations in their own jurisdictions, inconveniencing global
Internet companies that have based their business plans on the assumption
that they could run their Indian operations from Iowa.

The real Internet trade wars will begin once Russian and Chinese technology
giants, with their poorly veiled government connections and piles of cash,
come looking for American and European acquisitions. How will officials in
Washington or Brussels react when China's Tencent (with a market
capitalization of $42 billion, almost twice that of Yahoo) or Russia's Yandex
makes a bid for AOL or Skype?

Painful decisions will need to be made soon. The Russian company Digital Sky
Technologies, owned by a Kremlin-friendly oligarch, has a nearly 10% stake in
Facebook and a 5% stakes in such hot Web properties as Zynga and Groupon.
What will happen once Russian or Chinese firms seek to purchase a stake in
companies like Google (a contractor to the National Geospatial Intelligence
Agency) or Amazon (which caters to nearly 20 U.S. government agencies through
its Web hosting services)?

The unpleasant effects of this rising nationalism are already evident in the
case of hardware exports. When Sprint Nextel began considering bids from
China's Huawei and ZTE Technologies in 2010 for a projected $5 billion
upgrade of its network, a group of American senators wrote to the company's
chief executive, expressing their concern that Huawei might be subject to
"significant influence by the Chinese military" and that communications in
the U.S. could be "disrupted, intercepted, tampered with, or purposely
misrouted." Sprint Nextel turned down the bids. The European Union recently
announced plans to create an authority similar to the U.S. Committee on
Foreign Investment to specifically vet approaches from China's technology
giants.

Even if they are spurned by the U.S. and Europe, China's tech giants are
likely to resurface elsewhere. For several years China has been using its
huge cash reserves to hand out loansbmostly to governments in Africa, but
also to neighbors like Cambodiabwith the condition that those governments
only do business with China's telecom companies. With or without secret
access to that data, the fact that China controls so much of the
communications infrastructure in the developing world gives it political
leverage.

At the same time, Yota, a partly state-owned Russian telecom provider, has
been trying to build a base in Latin America, launching its 4G service in
Nicaragua and, soon, in Peru. Other Russian companies are busy building (or
buying up) the telecom infrastructure in the former Soviet republics, perhaps
in a bid to do for the Internet what Russia's gas giant Gazprom has done for
energy: build up physical infrastructure and then use it as a tool of
political leverage.

What does all of this mean for the future of America's technology industry?
If China's expansion into Africa and Russia's into Latin America and the
former Soviet Union are any indication, Silicon Valley's ability to expand
globally will be severely limited, if only because Beijing and Moscow have no
qualms about blending politics and business.

The global triumph of American technology has been predicated on the implicit
separation between the business interests of Silicon Valley and the political
interests of Washington. In the past, foreign governments have rushed to
install the latest version of Microsoft Office or Google's Chrome browser
because it was hard to imagine that Washington would tinker with technology
to advance its strategic interests.

But just a few weeks before Mr. Putin publicly endorsed open-source software,
FBI Director Robert Mueller toured Silicon Valley's leading companies to ask
their CEOs to build back doors into their software, making it easier for
American law enforcement and intelligence gathering agencies to eavesdrop on
online conversations. The very possibility of such talks is likely to force
foreign governments to reconsider their dependence on American technology.
Whatever the outcome of Washington's engagement with the Internet, Silicon
Valley will be the one to bear the costs.

For ordinary Internet users, there is one silver lining: The embrace of
open-source technology by governments may result in more intuitive software
applications, written by a more diverse set of developers. The possible
downside is that the era of globally oriented services like Skype may soon
come to an end, as they are replaced by almost certainly less user-friendly
domestic alternatives that would provide secret back-door access. As
governments seek to assert control, companies will be providing fewer and
fewer guarantees about both data security and access by third partiesbsuch as
governments.

The irony in these developments is hard to miss. Information technology has
been one of the leading drivers of globalization, and it may also become one
of its major victims.

b Evgeny Morozov is a visiting scholar at Stanford University and a fellow at
the New America Foundation. His new book is "The Net Delusion: The Dark Side
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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
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http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/last-mile-meshwork-cooperatives/2011/01/09 

Last Mile Meshwork Cooperatives


Sepp Hasslberger

9th January 2011

There is a movement just starting up b it is not very well developed yet b
that has as its vision the establishment of an independent layer of
connectivity between end users, by means of directly networking (mesh
network) Wifi or similar wireless connections. The connectivity layer is
owned by users, who form a cooperative which takes care of the technical
details such as choice of equipment and installation, and which acts as a
representative of its members towards internet access providers, negotiating
one or more high bandwidth internet connections which are then made available
to all the members of the cooperative network. 

The idea here is that end users can, through their own network, connect with
each other without having to go through the internet access provider. Local
traffic does not have to exit the local network. In this way, we can
communicate and exchange information directly with our neighbors in a
networked environment, and we only have to access the rest of the internet if
we wish to access information that is not locally available, or to
communicate with people who are distant. 

The members of cooperatives so organized have at their disposition unlimited
local connectivity (to which they contribute by running their own router) and
they have a high performance connection to the world through one or more high
bandwidth connections that are paid by for by all. The price of connection
will be lower than that of every separate end user having an adsl or similar
connection and it will be better performing than an adsl line.  This would
add a robust and sustainable local layer of connectivity and communication to
the internet, and it would make the net much more resilient against
centralized control and even against unforseen catastrophic events. Once a
local network is functioning, data can be cached, making each neighborhood
more independent and more resilient to outside interference. 

Examples of this are the Italian Progetto Ragnatela and Mark Wallacesb bThe
Connectiveb 

Links: 

Progetto Ragnatela facebook page: 

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Progetto-RAGNATELA-rete-a-maglia-wi-fi-mesh-di-proprieta-dei-cittadini/129047530469054

Progetto Ragnatela English description:

http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/project-spiderweb-a

The Connective homepage:

http://www.theconnective.net/

This is just a sampling, and there may be numerous such initiatives. A few of
them are linked in my description of Progetto Ragnatela. 

This was written to explain how local connectivity could be a useful element
in developing the concept of a desirable digital commons infrastructure as
developed by the Free Culture Forum (http://fcforum.net/) on their wiki here:

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Subject: Cypherpunks Targeted
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> Fuck 'em. We won, plain and simple.
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From coderman at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 12:21:13 2011
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:21:13 -0800
Subject: BHDC11 - De-anonymizing Live CDs through Physical Memory Analysis
Message-ID: <mailman.2759.1576008173.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

does anyone know more about the methods to be discussed by Andrew Case
next week?

the memory analysis of Tor seems interesting.

(do Tor Live CDs need a new kexec target for memtest sweeps / ram
zeroisation? :)

http://www.blackhat.com/html/bh-dc-11/bh-dc-11-briefings.html#Case
"""
Traditional digital forensics encompasses the examination of data from
an offline or bdeadb source such as a disk image. Since the filesystem
is intact on these images, a number of forensics techniques are
available for analysis such as file and metadata examination,
timelining, deleted file recovery, indexing, and searching. Live CDs
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solve this problem, we present a number of techniques that allow for
complete recovery of a live CDbs in-memory filesystem and partial
recovery of its previously deleted contents. We also present memory
analysis of the popular Tor application as it is used by a number of
live CDs in an attempt to keep network communications encrypted and
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:24:10 +0100
Subject: BHDC11 - De-anonymizing Live CDs through Physical Memory
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From anna at mail.nadir.org  Tue Jan 11 15:15:14 2011
From: anna at mail.nadir.org (Anna)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:15:14 +0100
Subject: <nettime> Glenn Greenwald: DOJ subpoenas Twitter records of
	several WikiLeaks volunteers (Salon.com)
Message-ID: <mailman.2760.1576008173.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hi,

an interesting article concerning this was published in the New York
Times on monday:

Twitter Shines a Spotlight on Secret F.B.I. Subpoenas
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/business/media/10link.html?_r=1

It seems that Twitter was only able to unseal the subpoena because of a
case that was made public last August: Nick Merrill got a gag order by
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clients. With the support of the ACLU he fought the gag order, not being
allowed to tell *anyone* that this was going on for six years.

He was the first person to fight a gag order and only because he was
partly successful it was possible for Twitter to unseal the subpoenas
and let the account owners know about it.

Nick told his story during the CCC congress in December in Berlin
(27c3), see http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/4263.en.html

http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/27C3/mp4-h264-HQ/27c3-4263-en-resisting_excessive_government_surveillance.mp4
or
http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/27C3/mp3-audio-only/27c3-4263-en-resisting_excessive_government_surveillance.mp3
or http://www.youtube.com/user/kkkwwwaaakkk#p/u/6/sDkHPNbCC1M

Rop Gonggrijp, one of the people about whom Twitter is being subpoenad,
held the keynote of the 27c3 and also talked about his experience with
Wikileaks in Iceland, and why he withdrew from that work. At the time
of the keynote he didn't know about the subpoena, I believe.

http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/27C3/mp4-h264-HQ/27c3-4302-en-27c3_keynote_we_come_in_peace.mp4
or
http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/27C3/mp3-audio-only/27c3-4302-en-27c3_keynote_we_come_in_peace.mp3
or http://www.youtube.com/user/kkkwwwaaakkk#p/search/2/ALNovMk3fC8

Two remarkable talks.

Best
A.

Am 11.01.11 11:20, schrieb Patrice Riemens:

> bwo IAC2009 list
> 
> original at:
> http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/07/twitter/index.html
> (http://bit.ly/fPXo7E )
> 
> The most interesting part is of course about all the other service
> providers which probably also have been 'approached' by the DOJ, and have
> not disclosed the such. Generally I think Twitter has acted remarkably
> well in this. See also the <<principal suspect>>'s blog: 
> http://rop.gonggri.jp
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Establishment of international preserve for Kilauea Volcano
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and natural wonder. Thousands of individuals visit daily at a
makeshift viewing area.

- This area is frequently innundated with diverse lava flows and is
expected to continue as an active volcanic area for a long time.
- The majority of the area is a collection of state, county, and
national protected areas or state holdings which are entirely
unmanaged and most frequently under exclusion orders for prohibiting
public access and for situations related to the volcano.
- State of Hawaii DLNR (Department of Land and Natural Resources) is
also responsible for numerous fragmented sections which they would
prefer to dispose given fire and safety liability and impossibility to
manage.
- Of the remaining private property, 40% is in tax default and can be
transferred by county order and most parcels are appraised at $100 per
parcel for intended emanent domain and are vacant having not been
touched since the original lava flows.
- The National Park has trouble managing its eastern expansion as it
is active flows and out of range for rescue and safety crews and local
emergency services refuse to respond throughout the entire area.
These combined factors strongly encourage the establishment of an
INTERNATIONAL PRESERVE.

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Royal Gardens Community Association, Keone Ranches Estates, Kalapana
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representing a strong majority of land holders in this exciting but
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From john.hearns at mclaren.com  Wed Jan 12 04:58:17 2011
From: john.hearns at mclaren.com (Hearns, John)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:58:17 -0000
Subject: [Beowulf] Amazon cloud computing used to crack wi-fi passwords
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/11/amazon_cloud_wifi_cracking/


I think this is appropriate for an HPC list. This guy is using GPUs on
Amazon's
cloud service to brute force 400 000 passwords per second.
Smart, but a bit depressing really.



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         EDRi-gram

biweekly newsletter about digital civil rights in Europe

  Number 9.1, 12 January 2011


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Contents
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1. Web blocking discussions in European Parliament reach critical stage
2. EU Commissioner criticises US for the data protection negotiations
3. IPR Enforcement Plan: Blocking, filtering and monitoring via injunction
4. New media law in Hungary allows Internet censorship
5. Polish Supreme Court: All electronic press must be registered
6. French law Loppsi 2 adopted by the General Assembly
7. RapidShare wins another alleged copyright infringement case
8. ENDitorial: EDRi's data retention workshop at CCC
9. Recommended Reading
10. Agenda
11. About

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1. Web blocking discussions in European Parliament reach critical stage
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The European Parliament is currently at a crucial stage in the discussions
on the European Commission's proposals on web blocking. The MEP
in charge, Roberta Angelilli, has presented her draft report, other
parliamentarians have until 20 January to propose other amendments and an
"orientation vote" which will informally set Parliament policy on issues of
general agreement will take place on 3 February.

Despite the fact that the original proposal was made by the Commission in
March 2009, the level of debate has not developed to any great extent after
almost two years of discussion. The fact that the Commission failed to
provide any evidence from countries that already block websites has not had
any positive impact whatsoever. The fact that blocking is increasingly
irrelevant due to the use of P2P and hacked servers instead of static
"blockable" websites or the fact that blocking will give criminals immediate
warning that they have been detected are of no particular importance in the
debate. Indeed, even the actual purpose of blocking - accidental access,
deliberate access or something else - is not an issue which has been
discussed in any detail.

Nonetheless, in the debate held in the Civil Liberties Committee on 10
January 2011, eleven of the twelve parliamentarians who spoke were opposed
to the introduction of mandatory EU-wide blocking, German conservative MEP
Axel Voss being the sole exception. Roberta Angelilli's position is somewhat
unclear - in the legally binding articles of her report, she suggests making
blocking optional. However, in the explanatory "recitals", she suggests that
mechanisms "be put in place to block access from the Union's territory to
internet pages identified as containing or disseminating child pornography"
and promotes the concept that Internet access providers should take on the
role of extra-judicial censors.

With regard to extra-judicial blocking, the Commission supports this
approach, despite having stated in an impact assessment in 2007 that "the
adoption of blocking measures necessarily implies a restriction of human
rights, in particular the freedom of expression and therefore, it can only
be imposed by law".

The blocking proposal has even led the European Commission to enter the
public affairs market. On 12 January, they cooperated with the Child
Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP - affiliated to the UK
police Serious Organised Crime Agency) to transport parliamentarians to
London for a day of pro-blocking lobbying.

EDRi campaign page (10.01.2011)
http://www.edri.org/stop_web_blocking

Draft parliament report on the proposal for a directive of the European
Parliament and of the Council on combating sexual abuse, sexual exploitation
of children and child pornography, repealing Framework Decision 2004/68/JHA
(16.12.2010)
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2009_2014/documents/libe/pr/837/837120/837120en.pdf

Proposal for a Directive on combating the sexual abuse, sexual exploitation
of children and child pornography, repealing Framework Decision 2004/68/JHA
(29.03.2010)
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2010:0094:FIN:EN:PDF

Impact Assessment  - Proposal for a Council Framework Decision amending
Framework Decision 2002/475/JHA on combating terrorism (6.11.2007)
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=SEC:2007:1424:FIN:EN:PDF

(contribution by Joe McNamee - EDRi)

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2. EU Commissioner criticises US for the data protection negotiations
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Following a meeting she had in December 2010 with US attorney general Eric
Holder and Interior Minister Janet Napolitano, the EU Justice Commissioner
Viviane Reding expressed her concern on what she believed to be a
lack of interest of the US officials regarding the data protection agreement
to be negotiated between EU and US.

"The meeting turned out to be somewhat disappointing on data protection.
> From the outset, we have noted an apparent lack of interest on the US side
to talk seriously about data protection," Ms Reding said in a
statement adding that the US have not appointed a negotiator yet.

The US administration disagreed with Ms. Reding and William Kennard, the
United States ambassador to the European Union, stated that in his opinion
things had moved ahead and that, in order to decide on the negotiator, the
US administration needed to better understand what EU negotiators wanted to
include in the agreement.

The EU-US data-sharing agreement (so-called SWIFT deal) that gives US
authorities access to bank transfer information for anti-terrorism purposes
was rejected by EU legislature in February 2010 pending better data
protection conditions. An agreement became operational in August 2010 when
further protections were added to the SWIFT deal, such as the presence of an
EU supervisor in Washington to check that no abuse occurs.

In the meantime, US authorities continue talks for the existing EU-US
PNR (Passenger Name Record) exchange agreement which obliges airlines to
send details on passengers flying to USA that are to be cross-checked with
the US terrorist watch list.

The scope of the data use is wider than the European Parliament is
comfortable with. EP is asking for a high level of protection of the
transferred personal data (such as PNR data and financial information) and
wants a charter of rights outlining the fundamental principles that should
stand at the basis of future data-sharing, covering also bilateral
agreements.

According to leaked information, the US authorities have several parallel
bilateral data sharing agreements with European governments."Member states
do business with the US and don't tell anyone, not even their own
parliaments. So the things the European Parliament can do on PNR for
instance, are marginal, because if Washington doesn't get it that way, they
do it bilaterally," stated MEP Sophie in't Veld.

The EU wants citizens to get the right to rectify and delete data and to go
to court in case of data misuse and asks for a more proportionate use of the
data by the authorities.

Reding wants to obtain limitations of retained data , a strict
ban on the transfer of data to other countries and asks for an independent
data protection supervisor to be appointed by the US for the supervision of
the authorities' use of citizen data, as there is in Europe.

Reding slams US over data privacy (21.12.2010)
http://euobserver.com/22/31555

Reding asks the "Kissinger question" on Data Protection Agreement with US
(22.12.2010)
http://bendrath.blogspot.com/2010/12/reding-asks-kissinger-question-on-data.html

Viviane Reding takes on US over data privacy rights in anti-terror campaign
(20.12.2010)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/20/eu-accuse-us-on-data-protection

US envoy rejects Reding's charges on data protection (20.12.2010)
http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/2010/12/us-envoy-rejects-reding-s-charges-on-data-protection/69795.aspx

EDRi-gram: Data protection authorities call for a strict EU-US privacy
agreement (1.12.2010)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number8.23/eu-us-privacy-agreement

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3. IPR Enforcement Plan: Blocking, filtering and monitoring via injunction
============================================================

Just before Christmas, the European Commission published its report on
the application of the IPR Enforcement Directive.

The text, while written in fairly neutral terms, does subtly show the
Commission's plans for the enforcement of intellectual property rights and
the dangers that these hold for citizens' rights. Two points in particular
stand out - the circumvention of the E-Commerce Directive, in particular to
overturn the ban on imposing a "general obligation to monitor" on Internet
providers, and the intended weakening of the EU's data protection regime for
the benefit of copyright holders.

A.General obligation to monitor

The text explains that in order to have injunctions work "efficiently, it
could be useful to clarify that injunctions should not depend on the
liability of the intermediary". As the "no obligation to monitor" obligation
in the E-Commerce Directive is part of the intermediary liability section of
the Directive, this "clarification" in any revision of the Directive would
aim to give Member States the green light to impose monitoring and blocking
obligations on Internet intermediaries.

One example of how this would work in practice can be found in the Belgian
Scarlet/Sabam case, which is currently before the European Court of Justice.
In that case, the lower Belgian court decided that the Internet Provider
Scarlet was obliged to implement software on its network which would block
all "infringing" communications (identified automatically via software) of
sound files transferred via peer to peer over its network.

Commissioner Malmstrvm, who said in May 2010 that the "Commission
has absolutely no plans to propose blocking of other types of content"
(apart from child abuse images) and who promised to "personally very
strongly oppose any such idea" has so far been silent on this issue.

Furthermore, the findings reported in the Staff Working Paper that
accompanies this Report indicate that the currently available laws are not
strong enough to combat infringements of intellectual property rights
effectively, so it proposes deputizing internet intermediaries in an
extra-judicial policing role. "Given intermediaries' favourable position to
contribute to the prevention and termination of online infringements, the
Commission could explore how to involve them more closely."

B. Data protection

The Communication also seeks to undermine the fundamental right to privacy
by implying that a "rebalancing" is necessary between the right to privacy
and the right to property, as defined in the EU Charter on Fundamental
Rights. This has been one of the key demands of the content industry, which
argues that industry (that should be involved more closely in the
enforcement of IPR according to the Commission) should have greater rights
to use consumer data in order to police and prosecute their own clients.

The following text is from page 7 of the report:
"National laws implementing the various directives must therefore be
construed in a way that allows a balance to be struck between these rights
in each case in order to guarantee that the provision on the right of
information can protect the rightholders effectively without compromising
rights relating to the protection of personal data."

The Communication is part of a consultation and replies should be received
by 31 March 2011. All citizens who care about fundamental rights should
respond to the Communication.

Commission Communication - Application of Directive 2004/48/EC of the
European Parliament and the Council of 29 April 2004 on the enforcement of
intellectual property rights (22.12.2010)
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2010:0779:FIN:EN:PDF

SABAM v. S.A. Scarlet, District Court of Brussels, No. 04/8975/A, Decision
of 29 June 2007, published in CAELJ Translation Series #001 (Mady,
Bourrouilhou, & Hughes, trans.), 25 Cardozo Arts & Ent. L. J. 1279 (2008)
http://www.cardozoaelj.net/issues/08/case001.pdf

Malmstrvm's promise: "Combating sexual abuse, sexual exploitation of
children and child pornography: the Commission's proposed Directive"
(6.05.2010)
http://www.meldpunt-kinderporno.nl/files/Biblio/Speech-Malmstrom-Combating-sexual-abuse06_05_2010.pdf

(contribution by Joe McNamee - EDRi)

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4. New media law in Hungary allows Internet censorship
============================================================

On 1 January 2011, a new Hungarian media law entered into force, giving the
government the power to control the Internet, endangering the freedom of
speech and journalism in general.

As Hungary took over the EU Presidency on 6 January 2011, in a context where
there are strong attempts from various EU governments to censor the
Internet, the Hungarian authorities started the year with a new law giving
excessive powers and control to the government over the public media
including Internet content.

According to the newly introduced law, all media must be registered and the
licences may be suspended or withdrawn for breaches.
The text does not distinguish between different types of media - traditional
broadcasters as well as online platforms have to obey the same
standards - and extends the protection against content, ranging from hate
speech to unintentional insult and incitement to hatred.

The law introduces the creation of a strong censorship authority which has
the power to unilaterally judge content material on the basis of broad and
unclearly defined criteria such as the protection of public order or the
appropriate information in relation to public affairs.

Perceived breaching of the law may bring forth fines of thousands of Euro
which will likely lead to media self-censorship, so much than
the text limits the journalists' capacity of protecting their sources, the
authority having the power to seize documents and files if it deems
necessary (even legally protected data).

The law is largely criticised and opposed by civil liberties organisations,
civil groups, media lawyers and even by other EU governments. Werner Hoyer,
the German deputy foreign minister stated that in his opinion the media law
"does not represent the idea of a union that is built on unity in
diversity," and added that Hungary should not be allowed to speak on
violations of free speech in Belarus as "the right to speak in the name of
Europe naturally implies a duty to respect internal European norms to be
able to represent them to the outside world in credible fashion." A
spokesperson for the French Presidency also stated France wanted the
Hungarian media law text to be altered, deeming it "incompatible" with the
idea of freedom of the press.

All the Hungarian parliamentary opposition parties said that they would
submit an appeal to the country's Constitutional Court.

A joint analysis of the Hungarian Civil Liberties Union, the Evtvvs Karoly
Institute and the Hungarian Helsinki Committee, assessing the method and
pace of the legislative work of the newly elected Hungarian Parliament,
concluded the law violated the principle of the rule of law.

A group of Internet citizens, blackout4hungary, initiated a movement calling
on all Hungarians to turn their websites black starting with 5 January 2010,
as a protest against Internet censorship.

Following a meeting with the EU college of Commissioners on the EU
priorities for the next 6 years, the Hungarian Government seems to have a
softer attitude and Viktor Orban, the Hungarian Prime Minister admitted that
his government needed to ensure that "adverse debate" did not overshadow the
Hungarian EU presidency.

Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso stated for the press that he had
"received reassurances from the (Hungarian) prime minister that the law is
drawn up and will be implemented in full respect of European Union values on
media freedom and relevant EU legislation," and that the Prime Minister
"equally made clear that adjustments would be made, should the commission,
after a legal assessment, find that this is not the case for all aspects of
the law."

The Commission is now to issue a legal opinion on the matter but no official
date has yet been established.

Websites Black-out as Drastic Internet Censorship is Introduced in Hungary
http://blackout4hungary.net/en/Websites_Black-out_as_Drastic_Internet_Censorship_is_Introduced_in_Hungary.html

The second wave of legislation by Hungary's new Parliament - Violating the
rule of law (13.12.2010)
http://www.ekint.org/ekint_files/File/hungarian%20ngos%20assessing%20the%20second%20wave%20of%20legislation.pdf

Barroso puts the squeeze on Hungary over media law (6.01.2011)
http://euobserver.com/9/31597/?rk=1

Hungary to change media law if EU deems necessary (7.01.2011)
http://euobserver.com/9/31607/?rk=1

Hungary to Regulate All Media (31.12.2010)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704543604576053503044587490.html

Neelie Kroes Vice-President of the European Commission responsible for the
Digital Agenda Hungary's new media law Open Hearing on Freedom of the Press
in Hungary European Parliament (11.01.2011)
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=SPEECH/11/6&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

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5. Polish Supreme Court: All electronic press must be registered
============================================================

On 15 December 2010, in a cassation proceeding, the Polish Supreme Court
decided that all electronic press in Poland must be registered. This
decision goes along the line traced by its 2007 decision of the same
substance, followed by a corresponding press law amendment proposal by the
Ministry of Culture and National Heritage, including obligatory registration
of all "electronic press", both of which were strongly criticized by the
Polish legal doctrine and internet community.

Recently, it seemed that things were improving - the 2010
Ministry of Culture's proposition of press law amendment oozed hope, as it
included a voluntary registration of "electronic media" (giving those
registering the privileges foreseen by the press law such as journalistic
secrecy), excluding from its scope the webpages of personal character, in
particular blogs. This recent Supreme Court decision however reverses the
positive course of the debate and takes Poland three years back in the
discussion on free speech on-line. It must be emphasized that such a Supreme
Court decision is literally contrary to Polish press law regulation, as it
is based on extensive interpretation of criminal press law liability.

The Polish Press Law Act from 26 January 1984 defines "press" as "any
periodic publications which do not constitute a closed, uniform entity,
appearing no less than once a year, having a regular title or name, current
number and date, and in particular: journals, periodicals, news services,
regular fax transmissions, bulletins, radio and television programs and film
chronicles;" but also "any means of mass media, existing or appearing as a
result of technical progress, including broadcasting stations, public
television and radio address systems, that broadcast publications
periodically as print, picture, sound or using any other broadcasting
technique"(Article 7 par. 2 pt. 1). Although arguable, one might consider
some examples of electronic publications as constituting press (rather as a
particular "mean of mass media", then a "periodic publication" of a "closed
form" with a "current number"). Art. 20 of the Press Law Act requires the
registration not of press as such, but only for journals and periodicals.
Such registration should be done with a district court at the place of the
domicile of the publisher.

The Act defines "journals" ("dzienniki") as well as "periodicals"
("czasopisma") in art. 7 par. 2 items 2 and 3. There, a journal is
defined as "a periodic print or a transmission of sound or sound and vision
of general information, appearing no less than once a week", (item 2), while
"a periodical is a periodic print appearing no more than once a week and no
less than once a year; the regulation may also apply appropriately to
transmissions of sound or sound and vision other than described in par. 2."
(item 3). According to Press Law Article 45, publishing a journal or a
periodical without registration may result in a fine or a criminal sentence
of up to 12 months of public service.

It ought to be emphasized that the sentence of the 15 December 2010 decision
sets the administrator of the subject web-page (gazetabytowska.pl) free. The
Supreme Court upholds the decision of the Slupsk district court that did
find the plaintiff guilty of infringing Press Law Article 45, that is
publishing (on-line) a journal or a periodical without registration, however
acquitted him due to the minimal public menace of the offence. The Supreme
Court decision upholds this sentence, which means that it finds that
failure to register an electronic publication constitutes a crime. In an
oral statement, the reporting judge commented that the Court did not aim at
registering the entire content of the Internet but wished for the
obligation of registering press foreseen in Article 7 to be properly obeyed.

It ought to be emphasized that as cited above, Article 7 does not include
an obligation to register press as such - this obligation is foreseen in
Article 20 and concerns only journals and periodicals, meaning "periodic
print or a transmission of sound or sound and vision", so a rare
characteristic for electronic media which are available mainly in written,
electronic form.

This decision goes along the line of the 2007 "Szyciepoprzemysku" decision,
concerning another electronic publication available solely on-line. The
Supreme Court, in its decision from 26 July 2007 (IV KK 174/07) found that
the " deliberations on the fact that, in the light of law, publishing
press in electronic form does not require registration are wrong and
contrary to entrenched doctrine opinions. (...) It is clear, that the
Internet may not be registered (...), just like paper. Paper as such does
not have to be registered, however the printed paper must be registered,
what is more - not the very paper itself, but rather the activity of
printing on it and publishing it in the form of a journal or periodical -
meaning press." It went on to say, that "the person distributing without
registration in the suitable district court, a journal or a periodical on
the Internet, regardless whether such a distribution is accompanied by a
transmission in print, next to its electronic form, or whether it exists
solely in the electronic form on the Internet, suffices to recognize the
crime described in art 45 of Press Law as having been committed."

The core problem with the interpretation presented by the Supreme Court lies
in the wide responsibility of the web-publisher that in this case is the
page-administrator, who, according to the Supreme Court Decision, should
be saddled with all the responsibilities of an Editor in Chief of a
traditional newspaper. The Polish Press Law foresees this responsibility as
encompassing the responsibility for the press material published in the
periodical or journal under his authority. Furthermore, there is no legal
rule allowing for a clear distinction between the web-pages that require
registration and those that do not. Leaving this difficult analysis solely
to web-page administrators seems a task far too heavy for them to shoulder.

What is more, such an obligation, and - following the suggestion of the
Supreme Court - the punishment of the ones who do not fulfil it should be
considered a breach of one of the basic rules of criminal law: nullum crimen
sine lege certa et stricta (this argument was also raised by the defendant
accused in the "Gazeta Bytowska" case and by the Helsinki
Federation). There is no "clear" and "certain" rule of law that tells the
web-administrators of a certain category of web-pages that it is their duty
to register their webpage (a webpage of a certain sort, as it is clear that
not all web-pages may be considered journals or periodicals). Interpreting
that rule out of the existing regulations is an expanding interpretation of
a criminal norm that is inadmissible.

One must not forget that in the Polish legal system, the Supreme Court
Decision is binding solely in the particular case. Nonetheless the role
that the legal interpretations made by the highest legal instance plays in
the further application of legal norms must not be under appreciated.

The decision will not be published, as according to Polish procedural
regulations this kind of decision (a provisional ruling "postanowienie")
need not be done in writing, when the Court finds the claim "clearly
unjustified" and refers to it in an oral statement during a session (such
as this case ).

Polish Helsinki Foundation statement on the decision (only in Polish,
15.12.2010)
http://www.hfhrpol.waw.pl/obserwatorium/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3406:sn-rejestracja-prasy-internetowej-obowizkowa&catid=40:zkraju&Itemid=34

J. Kulesza, Which Legal Standards Should Apply To Web-logs? The present
legal position of Internet journals in the European jurisprudence in the
light of the European Parliament Committee's on Culture and Education report
and Polish Supreme Court decision, Lex Electronica, 2009/3(13)
http://www.lex-electronica.org/docs/articles_221.pdf

Supreme Court: online newspapers have to register with the court as well as
paper ones (only in Polish, 15.12.2010)
http://prawo.gazetaprawna.pl/artykuly/472191,sn_gazety_internetowe_trzeba_rejestrowac_w_sadzie_tak_samo_jak_papierowe.htm

(Contribution by Joanna Kulesza, University of Lodz, Poland)

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6. French law Loppsi 2 adopted by the General Assembly
============================================================

The so-called Loppsi 2 law (loi d'orientation et de programmation pour la
performance de la sicuriti intirieure - law on guidelines and programming
for the performance of internal security) was approved by the French General
Assembly in its second reading on 21 December 2010 with a large majority and
is now to go under debate in the Senate in the second reading, in a
toughened version.

The law which, among several measures covers a mix of security domains,
asks ISPs to block Internet sites deemed to have child pornographic content,
now includes a version that will no longer require a previous judicial
approval, which is actually against the French Constitution, and which may
lead to abuses.

The law also gives the police the power to install remote spyware on PCs,
although in this case, under judicial control. Yet, these types of
operations seems to have already been undertaken by DRCI (The Direction
Centrale du Renseignement Intirieur - Central Directorate of Interior
Intelligence) even before the implementation of the law.

The approved text also allows for generalised video surveillance in public
places. A very worrying and contested measure is that of giving authorities
the power to limit the use of public data only to people whose "morality"
has been previously verified.

While the draft law waits to enter into its second reading in the Senate, a
group of several French liberty groups, union federations, civil
associations as well as several political parties have called for a general
mobilisation in a protest movement all over the country on 15 January 2011.

"This law prepares a control society based on tension and stigmatisations.
It materialises the phantasm of the interior enemy and assimilates any
contesting act to an attack to the State. It will weaken the prevention and
judicial guarantees," says the call to the manifestation.

The deputies adopt Loppsi law with a great majority (only in French,
21.12.2010)
http://www.numerama.com/magazine/17643-les-deputes-adoptent-la-loi-loppsi-a-une-tres-forte-majorite.html

LOPPSI 2: they sell off freedoms! (only in French)
http://antiloppsi2.net/002-loppsi-2-ils-soldent-nos-libertes.html

Loppsi 2: Return to the contested items (only in French, 7.01.2011)
http://www.20minutes.fr/article/649278/societe-loppsi-2-retour-points-contestes

EDRigram : French law Loppsi 2 under debate again (15.12.2010)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number8.24/loppsi-2-french-law

============================================================
7. RapidShare wins another alleged copyright infringement case
============================================================

RapidShare, the Swiss based file-hosting service, won the appeal against
the computer game distributor Atari Europe. In March 2010, D|sseldorf
Regional Court ruled that the company had not taken sufficient measures to
hinder the distribution of the computer game "Alone in the Dark" via its
platform.

The Higher Regional Court of D|sseldorf has now dismissed Atari's claim
through an amendment of the original ruling, acknowledging RapidShare's
efforts to take measures against the illegal distribution of copyrighted
material.

The Court also ruled against Atari's demands for a keyword filter and an
automatic retrieval and deletion of all files containing certain keywords
considering such a measure as unreasonable and creating the risk of also
deleting legal files that match the same keywords. Other proposed measures
such as a manual verification of suspect files and the removal of links on
third party search engines were considered impossible, unreasonable and
pointless.

"The ruling demonstrates once again that RapidShare is operating a fully
legal range and has taken measures against the misuse of its service which
go beyond the level that is legally required. We are confident that
copyright holders will gradually come to accept this conclusion," stated
Daniel Raimer, RapidShare's lawyer and spokesman.

This is the second decision of the kind taken by the German court in favour
of RapidShare. In July 2010 The Higher Regional Court of D|sseldorf ruled
against Capelight Pictures giving a similar decision. Also, in May 2009, a
US court ruled that RapidShare was not guilty of copyright
infringement.

RapidShare wins appeal against Atari (6.01.2011)
http://www.rapidshare.com/#!rapidshare-ag/rapidshare-ag_news

RapidShare's Measures Against Piracy Are Sufficient, Court Rules (6.01.2011)
http://torrentfreak.com/rapidshare-wins-appeal-against-atari-110106/

Game over for Atari case against Rapidshare (6.01.2011)
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1935366/game-atari-rapidshare

EDRi-gram: Germany: Filtering by keywords is not an obligation for a hosting
company (28.07.2010)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number8.15/filter-keywords-not-hosting-germany

============================================================
8. ENDitorial: EDRi's data retention workshop at CCC
============================================================

Two EDRi members, Bits of Freedom and Panoptykon Foundation,
together with one observer Patrick Breyer from AK Vorrat, gave a talk on
data retention and hosted a workshop for activists during the Chaos
Communication Congress (CCC) which is Europe's biggest meeting of the
hacking communities and which takes place every year in Berlin. The 27th
congress was held under the revealing title "We come in peace". During four
days of meetings, hackers, journalists, activists and a few MEPs discussed
the conflicts that threaten freedom in the digital world, the challenges we
will face in 2011, technological discoveries made in 2010 and strategies for
activism.

What we prepared for this occasion was an hour-long lecture presented
along with a dynamic slide show. The presentation was composed of five
parts:
(i) explanation of how data retention came about and what problems we have
with it;
(ii) overview of key jurisprudence undermining the principle of blanket data
retention;
(iii) outcomes of the evaluation process and the state of affairs in the
European Commission;
(iv) cases of abuse from various Member States; and
(v) strategies for further action against data retention.

Our primary goal was to show that the year 2011 will be crucial in the
fight against blanket data retention and therefore we need to create a
broad activist movement and gain more social support to make our voice
heard. We explained how civil society could exert an influence on the
decision makers in Brussels and MEPs and what time frames we faced. We
stressed the need for an EU-wide shadow report to be drafted by March
and published right before the official report by DG Home. Another
point was that we needed to gather data on the use of retention data
from various EU countries, translate it into clear and convincing
messages for the media and prepare a consistent campaigning strategy.

These needs and initial concepts were elaborated during an informal
discussion at our workshop, which was announced in the plenary. CCC
gave us this opportunity to organise our own event on the second day
meant as a discussion space and informal gathering for activists
interested in the data retention campaign. We welcomed about 50 persons
who discussed with us practical aspects of the campaign for nearly two
hours. The energy was high and we felt that another AK Vorrat-type
of mobilisation is possible. As a result of this meeting we decided to
set up provisional discussion tools - a wiki and a mailing list -
where the conversation may continues. Everybody is welcome to join. You
can also do it by e-mailing: info at bof dot nl

Presentation slides (27.12.2010)
http://www.edri.org/files/edri at 27c3.pdf

Video recording of the talk (27.12.2010)
http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/content/view/415/1/lang,de/

Summary of the workshop (joint effort, in progress)
https://etherpad.foebud.org/dataretentionworkshop

Wiki - dedicated to discussion on the campaign name
https://etherpad.foebud.org/nameforcampaign

(Contribution by Katarzyna Szymielewicz - EDRi-member Panoptykon Foundation,
Poland)

============================================================
9. Recommended Reading
============================================================

Report of the "Comiti des Sages" reflection group on bringing Europe's
cultural heritage online (10.01.2011)
http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/digital_libraries/doc/reflection_group/final-report-cdS3.pdf

Article 29 Working Party - Opinion 8/2010 on applicable law (16.12.2010)
http://ec.europa.eu/justice/policies/privacy/docs/wpdocs/2010/wp179_en.pdf

Statewatch is pleased to announce free access to its specialist civil
liberties websites:
1. The Statewatch database with 27 000 articles on civil liberties in Europe
dating back 20 years
http://database.statewatch.org
2. The SEMDOC website: Statewatch European Monitoring Centre on EU Justice
and Home Affairs policy
http://www.statewatch.org/semdoc

============================================================
10. Agenda
============================================================

15-16 January 2011, Galway, Ireland
Reset Ireland - action plan for open government and media reform
http://resetireland.com/

25-28 January 2011, Brussels, Belgium
The annual Conference Computers, Privacy & Data Protection CPDP 2011
European Data Protection: In Good Health?
http://www.cpdpconferences.org/

26 January 2011, Brussels, Belgium
Cultural Diversity and Europe 2020: Nuisance or necessity?
http://conferences.euobserver.com/cultural/index/

23-28 February 2011, Gosier, Guadeloupe, France
ICDS 2011- 5th International Conference on Digital Society
http://www.iaria.org/conferences2011/ICDS11.html

24-25 February 2011, Berlin, Germany
The First OAPEN Conference
http://meetings.copernicus.org/oapen2011/

11-12 March 2011, Ankara, Turkey
ICEGEG-2011- 3rd International Conference on E-Government and E-Governance
http://www.icegeg.com/index.html

28 March 2011, Paris, France
5th European eAccessbility Forum: Benefits and costs of e-accessibility
http://inova.snv.jussieu.fr/evenements/colloques/colloques/70_index_en.html

1 April 2011, Bielefeld, Germany
Big Brother Awards Germany
http://www.bigbrotherawards.de/index_html-en

17-18 May 2011, Berlin Germany
European Data Protection Reform & International Data Protection Compliance
http://www.edpd-conference.com

12-15 June 2011, Bled, Slovenia
24th Bled eConference, eFuture: Creating Solutions for the Individual,
Organisations and Society
http://www.bledconference.org/index.php/eConference/2011

11-12 July 2011, Barcelona, Spain
7th International Conference on Internet, Law & Politics (IDP 2011): Net
Neutrality and other challenges for the future of the Internet
Abstract submission: 18 February 2011
http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profiles/blogs/7th-international-conference

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From cryptome at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 12 12:54:47 2011
From: cryptome at earthlink.net (John Young)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:54:47 -0500
Subject: <nettime> Leaks do an end around the media mix?
Message-ID: <mailman.2763.1576008173.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


Bear in mind that despite the blovia about 250,000 cables allegedly
to be released, only 2,017 have been made public, less than 1 percent.
Not in waves but in very slow drips with days when none appear despite
tongues drooling in expectation.

It remains to be seen what the full collection will reveal about the
first tiny biased batch which was apparently selected for highest dramatic 
impact and as the article states, controversy, in accord with Wikileaks'
intention, with ever greater hyperbolic bombshells since the fall of 2009.

A comprehensive grasp of the Cablegate-branded cache is yet to come,
for now only artful and dreadful extrapolation fed very carefully by WL 
and its media partners for commercial rewards -- rewards which they
admittedly relish bragging about yet continue to beg for more under
various schemes of imaginary threat and insistence on public protection
against boogeymen all too like themselves.

Due to the lack of transparency in Wikileaks and its MSM partners, all
of which claim confidentiality about their finances, sources, editorial
policy and complicity with authorities, and all of whom have refused to
provide to the public the raw, undoctored, unspun, files to which they
have full, privileged access, it is not possible to verify much of anything
that has been claimed by the Wikileaks business cartel hiding behind
public benefit cloaks -- typical of scoundrels. 

They presume to claim their trustworthiness compared to those they
allegedly oppose but do not disclose their own secrets, in effect
mirroring those they claim to challenge, in behavior, in braggardy,
in disdain for criticism, in vaunting their importance, in unceasing
appeal financial and, ye gads get in bed with the enemy, legislative 
protection to head off rather long-toothed conventional threats that 
are no different in vaporosity from opponents.

This lack of imagination by Wikileaks and cohorts could be excused
if it was seen as carnivalesque clownism. Or lower spinal stem 
advertisment. Or fey ignorant anti-intellectualism favored by bald
and shaggy maned continentals. Or Onion grade sophmoric halitosic 
humor. Or simply tawdry political cupidity. These are all successful, 
and thus highly reproducible in the abysmal standards of screedism, 
not to tar all honest journalists with this brush but very much to mastic
their editors, publishers and the investors jerking the strings of the 
craven wretches. To wit, old fart Pilger sucking Julian's pickle in The
New Statesman, aping Ellsberg's shamelessness. 

There will be those who will find gold among this dross, and to those
a salute, the venals will profit from your freely given investigation
which they will take credit for as Wikileaks has fucked Bradley
Manning and other sources kept secret nor for their safety but
for the benefit of the public fuckers.

Bear too in mind little light has been shed on secret operations of
authoritatives, Wikileaks among them, instead the informative
light has grown dimmer as the celebrity spotlights increase 
luminosity of the stars and their sucklings.




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From teddks at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 17:48:31 2011
From: teddks at gmail.com (Ted Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:48:31 -0500
Subject: [Beowulf] Amazon cloud computing used to crack wi-fi
  passwords
In-Reply-To: <20110112131248.GM16518@leitl.org>
References: <20110112131248.GM16518@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <1294883311.31652.14.camel@anglachel>

On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 14:12 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> ----- Forwarded message from "Hearns, John" <john.hearns at mclaren.com> -----
>
> From: "Hearns, John" <john.hearns at mclaren.com>
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:58:17 -0000
> To: beowulf at beowulf.org
> Subject: [Beowulf] Amazon cloud computing used to crack wi-fi passwords
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/11/amazon_cloud_wifi_cracking/
>
>
> I think this is appropriate for an HPC list. This guy is using GPUs on
> Amazon's
> cloud service to brute force 400 000 passwords per second.
> Smart, but a bit depressing really.

Been done before: <http://www.wpacracker.com/>

...on CPUs, at least. I wonder if wpacracker.com will update?

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From udhay at pobox.com  Wed Jan 12 19:13:09 2011
From: udhay at pobox.com (Udhay Shankar N)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:43:09 +0530
Subject: [silk] Stochastic Terrorism
Message-ID: <mailman.2764.1576008173.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Fascinating idea. A logical extension of dead drops (or even multi-part
crypto keys, if you think about it). Or even Psychohistory. <g>

On a related note, I'd recommend John Robb's [1] thoughts on "Open
Source Warfare" [2].

Udhay

[1] http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/
[2] http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/15/john-robb-interview.html


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/10/934890/-Stochastic-Terrorism:-Triggering-the-shooters

Stochastic Terrorism:  Triggering the shooters.
by G2geek
Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 05:37:39 PM PST

Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to stir up random
lone wolves to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are
statistically predictable but individually unpredictable.

This is what occurs when Bin Laden releases a video that stirs random
extremists halfway around the globe to commit a bombing or shooting.

This is also the term for what Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and others do.
And this is what led directly and predictably to a number of cases of
ideologically-motivated murder similar to the Tucson shootings.

Update: the mechanism spelled out.

(This update is to resolve some ambiguity.)

The person who actually plants the bomb or assassinates the public
official is not the stochastic terrorist, they are the "missile" set in
motion by the stochastic terrorist.  The stochastic terrorist is the
person who uses mass media as their means of setting those "missiles" in
motion.

Here's the mechanism spelled out concisely:

The stochastic terrorist is the person who uses mass media to broadcast
memes that incite unstable people to commit violent acts.

One or more unstable people responds to the incitement by becoming a
lone wolf and committing a violent act.   While their action may have
been statistically predictable (e.g. "given the provocation, someone
will probably do such-and-such"), the specific person and the specific
act are not predictable (yet).

The stochastic terrorist then has plausible deniability: "Oh, it was
just a lone nut, nobody could have predicted he would do that, and I'm
not responsible for what people in my audience do."

The lone wolf who was the "missile" gets captured and sentenced to life
in prison, while the stochastic terrorist keeps his prime time slot and
goes on to incite more lone wolves.

Further, the stochastic terrorist may be acting either negligently or
deliberately, or may be in complete denial of their impact, just like a
drunk driver who runs over a pedestrian without even realizing it.

Finally, there is no conspiracy here: merely the twisted acts of
individuals who are promoting extremism, who get access to national
media in which to do it, and the rest follows naturally just as an
increase in violent storms follows from an increase in average global
temperature.

And now we return to the rest of the original diary...

<SNIP>
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((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Jan 12 23:52:01 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:52:01 +0100
Subject: [silk] Stochastic Terrorism
Message-ID: <20110113075201.GD16518@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Udhay Shankar N <udhay at pobox.com> -----


From 0-usealiciastanley at fact-tum.com  Thu Jan 13 01:07:39 2011
From: 0-usealiciastanley at fact-tum.com (Watches_Jewelry_and_Accessories)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:07:39 +0600
Subject: an sea. incompatible A medicine novice surprises
Message-ID: <0082435020.PSPREMQP063041@vcndyfstv.wmcqxhpkz.su>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jan 13 07:37:39 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:37:39 +0100
Subject: <nettime> Leaks do an end around the media mix?
Message-ID: <20110113153739.GM16518@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from John Young <cryptome at earthlink.net> -----


From support at rayservers.com  Thu Jan 13 08:51:21 2011
From: support at rayservers.com (Rayservers)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:51:21 +0000
Subject: [cryptography] current digital cash / anonymous	payment
  projects?
In-Reply-To: <20110113072228.GB18341@subspacefield.org>
References: <20101130191248.GC10799@subspacefield.org>
  <4CF64B26.8050006@iang.org> <4CF65D81.8060902@rayservers.com>
  <20110113072228.GB18341@subspacefield.org>
Message-ID: <4D2F2D89.9010004@rayservers.com>

On 13/01/11 07:22, travis+ml-rbcryptography at subspacefield.org wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 02:36:49PM +0000, Rayservers wrote:
>> You mean top down... :) Which is exactly going on here:
>> http://www.global-settlement.org/
>>
>> And when you start at the top, you have to start at the very top.
>> See Public Notice.
>>
>> So yes, there is a locus of information, it is referenced in the signature. And
>> no, admiralty lawyers cannot help you. They don't know the law of the land.
> 
> So, it may be a measure of naivet'e on my part but I just Sunday
> realized that apparently there's a fair number of
> anti-money-laundering laws designed to prevent anonymous financial
> transactions.  Silly me, I figured the traceability was simply so they
> could reverse certain payments from reversible systems in the case of
> theft (well, apart from Western Union and cash, which seem to have
> been grandfathered in).

Traceability has to exist because there is no money in circulation.

> So now I finally get the reference to admiralty courts and lawyers.

Seen this?:
http://freedom-school.com/keating/how-a-prisoner-funds-america.pdf

> Ray, that's a classic and hilarious quote, going down in my digital
> memory.

;)

> I wonder where one would begin investigating the law around this,
> without looking like a money launderer. 

Basically everywhere that your attorney would never look ;).

The GSF documents are a start. There is more in the pipeline. You need to learn
Common Law, how to do a Claim of Right, etc.

FYI, such a /Claim of Right/ is far advanced.

Lessons on Common Law: http://1215.org/ - how it works is basically how a real
Court of Record works:

At a minimum read every essay here:
http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/foundation.htm

At a minimum listen to this:
http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/lectures/introduction/index.html

Then go back and read all the GSF documents and claim of right:
http://www.global-settlement.org/cms/node/5

This for bonus points (latest developments):
http://www.rayservers.com/blog/rod-class-15-issue-doc

Basic quiz after all that:
1. What is the difference between money and currency?
2. What is the difference between one of the People of America and a US Citizen?
3. Is the President (the current one, and, say, the last dozen) of the United
States an American?
4. What is a Court of Record?
5. What kind of court is a US Federal or State Court or UK equivalent?
6. What is on deposit at a US or UK retail bank?
7. Who /can claim/ to *represent* the people?
8. Define the territory of the United States.
9. What *is* the United States and/or the United Kingdom?
10. What is the /law of the land/ and who can claim to enforce it?

The GSF System allows for multiple, independent issuers. The idea is, to start
an economy, not a monopoly. See claim of right.

Best,
Ray.

p.s. Feel free to forward a copy to anyone you *know* (do not spam), including
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From dir at 911tlt.ru  Thu Jan 13 23:20:37 2011
From: dir at 911tlt.ru (Davis Read)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:20:37 +0900
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From gevlat at motogonki.ru  Fri Jan 14 12:42:06 2011
From: gevlat at motogonki.ru (=?koi8-r?B?89TSwcjP19nFINfazi4g1dbFIM7FINPU0sHbzs8=?=)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:42:06 -0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?7sHMz8fP18/FINDMwc7J0s/Xwc7JxTogzcnOyc3J2sHDydEg7uTm7Cwg?=
	=?koi8-r?B?09TSwcjP19nIINfazs/Tz9c=?=
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   Девятнадцатого января

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+7 Московский код: 792-2l.22 или 792_2|/22

Цель:
С 2010 года единый социальный налог (ЕСН) отменен – он заменен обязательными страховыми взносами в ФОМС, ФСС и ПФР, ставка которых с 2011 года составит 34% почти для всех налогоплательщиков (включая субъектов УСН и ЕНВД). При этом регрессивная шкала взносов заменена отменой их уплаты, но доступно это будет только для высокооплачиваемых сотрудников. Если вспомнить про 13% НДФЛ и НДС, который тоже косвенно является налогом на зарплату, то многие предприниматели и руководители видят только один путь – назад, к "черным" схемам.
Курс посвящен поиску путей выживания компаний в новой ситуации при условии легальности всех выплат доходов физическим лицам. Участники узнают, как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать "зарплатные" налоги с учетом будущих изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменительной практики.

Программа:

1.Обзор изменений законодательства, связанных с заменой ЕСН обязательными страховыми взносами. Cколько и каких налогов и взносов платят предприятия и ИП на общей системе налогообложения и спецрежимах в 2010-2011 гг. Какие схемы стали или станут невыгодными; у каких налогоплательщиков положение даже улучшается; в каком случае выплата зарплаты на спецрежимах сохраняет свою актуальность.

2.Понятие и принципы налогового планирования: платить налоги, но не переплачивать. "Черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы. Классификация методов оптимизации налогообложения доходов физических лиц, которые рассматриваются на семинаре.

3.Использование специальных налоговых режимов:
 * дивидендные схемы – замена выплаты зарплате на "упрощенке"? Нюансы, рекомендации. Выплата квартальных дивидендов ежемесячно частями. Выплаты из прибыли в АО, ООО, производственном кооперативе ("народном предприятии"). Расчет эффективности,

 * договоры с предпринимателем: возмездного оказания услуг, выполнения работ, агентский, транспортные услуги, механизм трансфертных цен, штрафные санкции, аренда и пр. Расчет эффективности,

 * дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве предпринимателя: легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Выбор банков, проблемы, связанные с кассовой дисциплиной и политикой ЦБ. Текущая ситуация с обложением таких доходов НДФЛ.

4.Условия применения всех схем: Непритворный характер заключаемых сделок. Экономическая целесообразность расходов ("деловая цель", "легенда", отсутствие дублирующихся функций). Грамотное обоснование цен и документальное оформление расходов. Неаффилированность, прямые и косвенные признаки аффилированности, ее негативные последствия и когда она допустима; "искусственное дробление бизнеса с целью уклонения от уплаты налогов" (подход "как к ЮКОСу"); "деловые цели", обосновывающие деление бизнеса. Самостоятельность низконалоговых субъектов.

5.Использование вспомогательных организаций:
 * "инвалидные" организации и их филиалы, актуальность;
 * страховые компании. Страхование жизни работников и ДМС за счет предприятия.

6.Использование иностранных (низконалоговых) компаний. Корпоративные или личные пластиковые карты иностранных банков. Перевод на них или на карты российских банков зарплат, гонораров и иных легальных доходов от нерезидентов.

7.Как компенсировать "выпадение" отчислений в Пенсионный фонд на накопительную часть пенсии, в ФСС и ФОМС при применении налоговых схем, не предусматривающих выплату зарплаты.

8.Использование процентных займов от физлиц. Расчет эффективности.

9.Специальные методы. Все виды компенсаций (за несвоевременную выплату заработной платы, за использование личного имущества, за разъездной характер работы и др.). Выплата арендной платы. Закуп у физлиц ТМЦ. Суточные. Обучение сотрудников с заключением ученического договора, как способ налогового планирования.

10.Потребительское кредитование, компенсация процентов по ипотечным кредитам и другие эффективные способы замены заработной платы безналоговыми источниками материальной выгоды,

11.Создание недоимки по налогам с ФОТ на фирме, не обремененной активами – пример "серой" схемы (как нельзя "оптимизировать"!),

12.Способы подтверждения источников крупных расходов физлиц и когда это необходимо. Продажа имущества физическими лицами без НДФЛ через вклад в уставный капитал и ЕНВД.

13.Ответы на вопросы. По желанию – индивидуальное экспресс-моделирование схем налогового планирования для компаний-участниц семинара.

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From diana.kiesel at ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Fri Jan 14 04:03:22 2011
From: diana.kiesel at ruhr-uni-bochum.de (=?koi8-r?B?8M8g2sHS0MzB1MU=?=)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:03:22 +0600
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?z9DUyc3J2sHDyckg0sHTyM/Ez9cgzsEg19nQzMHU1SDCxczPyiDawdLQ?=
	=?koi8-r?B?zMHU2Q==?=
Message-ID: <7C1C530463F5461F96F9A5E8FD2BFEFA@d76c7bf11fc7490>

   I9 января 2011г.

Методы оптимизации расходов на выплату белой зарплаты: уменьшаем страховые взносы

Московский код; 4Ч/5_*З2*66 <> 792/_2l_.22

Цель:
С 2010 года единый социальный налог (ЕСН) отменен – он заменен обязательными страховыми взносами в ФОМС, ФСС и ПФР, ставка которых с 2011 года составит 34% почти для всех налогоплательщиков (включая субъектов УСН и ЕНВД). При этом регрессивная шкала взносов заменена отменой их уплаты, но доступно это будет только для высокооплачиваемых сотрудников. Если вспомнить про 13% НДФЛ и НДС, который тоже косвенно является налогом на зарплату, то многие предприниматели и руководители видят только один путь – назад, к "черным" схемам.
Курс посвящен поиску путей выживания компаний в новой ситуации при условии легальности всех выплат доходов физическим лицам. Участники узнают, как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать "зарплатные" налоги с учетом будущих изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменительной практики.

Программа:

1.Обзор изменений законодательства, связанных с заменой ЕСН обязательными страховыми взносами. Cколько и каких налогов и взносов платят предприятия и ИП на общей системе налогообложения и спецрежимах в 2010-2011 гг. Какие схемы стали или станут невыгодными; у каких налогоплательщиков положение даже улучшается; в каком случае выплата зарплаты на спецрежимах сохраняет свою актуальность.

2.Понятие и принципы налогового планирования: платить налоги, но не переплачивать. "Черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы. Классификация методов оптимизации налогообложения доходов физических лиц, которые рассматриваются на семинаре.

3.Использование специальных налоговых режимов:
 * дивидендные схемы – замена выплаты зарплате на "упрощенке"? Нюансы, рекомендации. Выплата квартальных дивидендов ежемесячно частями. Выплаты из прибыли в АО, ООО, производственном кооперативе ("народном предприятии"). Расчет эффективности,

 * договоры с предпринимателем: возмездного оказания услуг, выполнения работ, агентский, транспортные услуги, механизм трансфертных цен, штрафные санкции, аренда и пр. Расчет эффективности,

 * дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве предпринимателя: легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Выбор банков, проблемы, связанные с кассовой дисциплиной и политикой ЦБ. Текущая ситуация с обложением таких доходов НДФЛ.

4.Условия применения всех схем: Непритворный характер заключаемых сделок. Экономическая целесообразность расходов ("деловая цель", "легенда", отсутствие дублирующихся функций). Грамотное обоснование цен и документальное оформление расходов. Неаффилированность, прямые и косвенные признаки аффилированности, ее негативные последствия и когда она допустима; "искусственное дробление бизнеса с целью уклонения от уплаты налогов" (подход "как к ЮКОСу"); "деловые цели", обосновывающие деление бизнеса. Самостоятельность низконалоговых субъектов.

5.Использование вспомогательных организаций:
 * "инвалидные" организации и их филиалы, актуальность;
 * страховые компании. Страхование жизни работников и ДМС за счет предприятия.

6.Использование иностранных (низконалоговых) компаний. Корпоративные или личные пластиковые карты иностранных банков. Перевод на них или на карты российских банков зарплат, гонораров и иных легальных доходов от нерезидентов.

7.Как компенсировать "выпадение" отчислений в Пенсионный фонд на накопительную часть пенсии, в ФСС и ФОМС при применении налоговых схем, не предусматривающих выплату зарплаты.

8.Использование процентных займов от физлиц. Расчет эффективности.

9.Специальные методы. Все виды компенсаций (за несвоевременную выплату заработной платы, за использование личного имущества, за разъездной характер работы и др.). Выплата арендной платы. Закуп у физлиц ТМЦ. Суточные. Обучение сотрудников с заключением ученического договора, как способ налогового планирования.

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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 14 18:47:43 2011
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:47:43 -0500
Subject: Question about (cypher)Twitter
Message-ID: <SNT138-w60BE3F89F25C5F55D48D5F9BF20@phx.gbl>

OK, those remaining aged and frail cypherpunks can bash me for not being
current...

But are there TOR or other-based services that can (kinda) anonymize (for
instance) twitter subscriptions?


Of course, there could be something fancy that 2-way anonymizes twitter
subscriptions within the TOR cloud, but I'm thinking something like that
doesn't exist. It would be challenging (and possibly unsecure) for a service
to sustainably retain the mapping between twitter subscriber and tweet feed.
(Or perhaps that isn't necessary if some subset of tweetstreams are dumped
into the cloudsomewhere and then a subscriber goes and gets the relevant ones
periodically.*)

A cheaper version would be to hide who actively signs up for a feed in a
bigass cloud of fake subscriptions to a twitter feed. Of course, ONE of them
will be the real subscriber, but the others won't, and it may be fairly
tedious (as well as telling) for authorities within certain domains to go
through and check each subscriber.

-TD

*: Come to think of it, there are plenty of web services that log specific
tweet streams so that non-cellphone users can go get them. One could access
such a service through TOR but then the push capability of tweets and text
messages is lost, and also it may be hard to go through TOR with many
(cheaper) mobile devices.




From measl at mfn.org  Fri Jan 14 20:24:03 2011
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 22:24:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Unf**ingBelieveable! Glenn Beck is picking on a 60+++ year old 
  professor at CCNY 
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101142223470.26858@mx1.mfn.org>

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/1/14/why_is_glenn_beck_obsessively_targeting

This woam "is responsibe for the economic collapse"?  Not to mention VERY 
other negative financial event in the last 4+ years!

Priceless...


//Alif

-- 
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From skquinn at speakeasy.net  Fri Jan 14 23:13:10 2011
From: skquinn at speakeasy.net (Shawn K. Quinn)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 01:13:10 -0600
Subject: Question about (cypher)Twitter
In-Reply-To: <SNT138-w60BE3F89F25C5F55D48D5F9BF20@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT138-w60BE3F89F25C5F55D48D5F9BF20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1295075590.15872.5.camel@afterburner>

On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 21:47 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
> OK, those remaining aged and frail cypherpunks can bash me for not being
> current...
> 
> But are there TOR or other-based services that can (kinda) anonymize (for
> instance) twitter subscriptions?

Twitter is accessible via Tor; they have done nothing to block it. Or am
I misunderstanding your question?

Unless you plan to follow protected accounts, you don't need to actually
sign up for a Twitter account to keep up with anyone. Each Twitter
account has an RSS feed for that account, which does not need
authentication with a Twitter account to access.

Interesting note: not that long ago, Twitter actually used your
authentication info against you and obstructed attempts to read single
tweets from accounts that had you blocked, and for a while even the
entire feed of accounts blocking you. They have since given up their
pathetic attempt to imitate Facebook's (dangerously overpowered, IMO)
block function.

-- 
Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn at speakeasy.net>




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From michaelslists at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 19:09:15 2011
From: michaelslists at gmail.com (silky)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:09:15 +1100
Subject: Question about (cypher)Twitter
In-Reply-To: <SNT138-w60BE3F89F25C5F55D48D5F9BF20@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT138-w60BE3F89F25C5F55D48D5F9BF20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwBkc_AvJnkGjP7=gO+dZ-4MaJFhUJ9ZN6YoXC@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> OK, those remaining aged and frail cypherpunks can bash me for not being
> current...
>
> But are there TOR or other-based services that can (kinda) anonymize (for
> instance) twitter subscriptions?

<http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/> ?

--
silky

http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/  (Noon Silk) | http://www.mirios.com.au:8081 >

"Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy  the joy
of being this signature."




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From samuel.rose at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 05:04:00 2011
From: samuel.rose at gmail.com (Samuel Rose)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:04:00 -0500
Subject: [P2P-F] Bitcoin donation
Message-ID: <mailman.2765.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com> wrote:
> Although I have misgivings about the stability of bitcoin, I support its
> use. (It's the only thing out there that is completely de-linked from
> official currencies and from things like precious metals, that is workable
> for more than just local exchange).
> To explain my perplexity on bitcoin stability, I quote from the site
> cyclonite linked:
> "How much is a Bitcoin worth?
>
> More all the time...
>
> As you can see, over a 4 week period, recently...
>
> The value of B `8?1.00B BTC (one Bitcoin), went from B US$0.06B B to
> B US$0.50B B ...within only about 4 weeks. B  Yes... B  That was an 833% increase
> in it's value. B  Wow."
> (http://www.bitcoinme.com/)
> For me, a currency that is to be widely used, should be stable. Stable means
> it doesn't go down in value, but it also doesn't go up in value excessively.
> It should be roughly keeping its value. Going up as much as bitcoin
> evidently does, is a form of instability that will bring disturbance to a
> marketplace using bitcoin as its means of exchange.

bitcoin does seem to have stabilized after that initial jump. I think
the initial jump was due to the network effect of how fast the current
group of adopters jumped on board and started using bitcoin.

Still, this is a of course a valid point. Although, the value increase
seems to have been mostly beneficial to the early adopters. But, I
could see how if the system stabilized, then a new wave of adopters
jumped on board, it could suddenly become very unbalanced for the
initial participants if various scenarios unfold.

Although, I am not sure *if* the bitcoin system would automatically
inflate in an exponential way each time a new wave of participants
joins the system.

One real potential problem is making sure that "honest nodes" control
the majority of CPU power. So far, so good. It won't be easy for
anyone to spoof this system. But, if a group of people wants to
intentionally attack the system, there could be problems. Bitcoin is a
good candidate for complex systems models as a means to put more
foresight into stability, health, etc

> This instability could and should be remedied by adjusting the target total
> of bitcoin creation with an algorithm that takes into account the number of
> active bitcoin users. As the number of users increases, the total target
> amount of bitcoins to be created (which currently is fixed at 21,000,000)
> should increase, slowly creeping up to accomodate the demand of new users
> for bitcoins, in a way to keep the value of one single coin roughly stable.
> I do not know whether the creators of bitcoin would be willing to do this.
> For me, such an adjustment will be necessary to take bitcoin from
> experimental status to widely-used alternative means of payment status.

Sepp, this is a great point.

One of the nice things about bitcoin is that it is F/LOSS, so it is
ultimately fork-able. If bad decisions are made about the growth, the
project could be forked, a different governance scheme could be
implemented, etc.

I don't yet know enough about bitcoin to be 100% sure, but the system
at least for the time being does seem to have stabilized (it could
simply mean that participation has stabilized).

Bit coin claims:

"Once a predetermined number of coins have entered
circulation, the incentive can transition entirely to transaction fees
and be completely inflation
free."

And yes Michel, I will post this on the blog and in wiki :)


> Kind regards
> Sepp
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:44 AM, Samuel Rose wrote:
>
> Cyclonite, personally I am ready to work with bitcoin today, although
> the rest of p2pf may not be, which I'll respect
>
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Cyclonite <cyclonite at safe-mail.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I think there is some kind of misunderstanding here, you do not need to
> manually generate any kind of public/private keys as with OpenPGP.
>
> You can even sign up in a website as mybitcoin.com and start making or
> receiving donations.
>
> In my opinion the best available info for beginners is http://bitcoinme.com.
> Please take a look and you will get your doubts clear.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Cyclonite.
>
> --
>
> Secure Email contact: https://privacybox.de/cyclonite.msg
>
> Bitcoin donations jar: 16FVZweaaJLvhAy91oDugqaf84kXiDJ9PG
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
> From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>
> To: james burke <lifesized at gmail.com>
>
> Cc: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>, cyclonite at safe-mail.net,
> p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>, Sepp Hasslberger
> <sepp at lastrega.com>, Georg Pleger <g.pleger at yahoo.de>
>
> Subject: Re: Bitcoin donation
>
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:30:23 -0500
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:54 AM, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Michel,
>
> Yes, I do have a public key, but yet again,
>
> another nice idea with terrible interaction design and userbility
>
> - most people have no clue about public private keys, so this keeps it a
>
> geek thing
>
> I agree, although as far as I can see, the application at least takes
>
> care of this for the user. Still, your point is valid in that some
>
> people may not understand what is happening.
>
>
> Most of the users of bitcoin now are early adopters, however. So, if
>
> p2pf did support donation via bitcoin, it would be joining an ecology
>
> of early adopters, and would likely only receive donation from those
>
> early adopters.
>
> - the actual app upon launch is unclear. Where to click, what to do,gah!
>
> I can't really support this even if it is a p2p solution.
>
> James
>
>
> Seems reasonable. If p2pf changes it's mind, I'm willing to
>
> participate in any experiments with bitcoin
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> James,
>
> do you have a public key?
>
> Michel
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> This is a p2p application, so we would need to post your's or James's
>
> public key, and people who want to donate bitcoins would need then
>
> send you the bitcoins by downloading the bitcoin application and
>
> sending it to you
>
> quote:
>
> "Bitcoin utilizes public/private key digital signatures (ECDSA). A
>
> coin has its owner's public key on it. When a coin is transferred from
>
> user A to user B, A adds Bbs public key to the coin and signs it with
>
> his own private key. Now B owns the coin and can transfer it further.
>
> To prevent A from transferring the already used coin to another user
>
> C, a public list of all the previous transactions is collectively
>
> maintained by the network of Bitcoin nodes, and before each
>
> transaction the coinbs unusedness will be checked."
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Michel Bauwens
>
> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sam, can you help us install it on the wiki and blog?
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> I've downloaded and installed and am game to try with p2pf network
>
> folks.
>
> This could actually be really useful for lots of local economy efforts
>
> too.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Michel Bauwens
>
> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> Dear,
>
> thanks a lot for this email,
>
> it seems that it is worthwhile for us to experiment with this, but I
>
> will
>
> forward this to James Burke for possible implementation
>
> James, I think we should do this, what doB  you think?
>
> Michel
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:42 PM, <cyclonite at safe-mail.net> wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Dear friends,
>
> I have been looking in your site for any reference to Bitcoin for
>
> making a
>
> small donation.
>
> As B you B probably B know, B Bitcoin B (bitcoin.org) B is B a B new kind
>
> of a
>
> P2P
>
> crypto-currency in which the general public can B make donations,
>
> macro
>
> B or
>
> micropayments B  in B a B secure B and B  anonymous B way B usually
>
> B without
>
> B any
>
> transaction fee involved.
>
> You can change Bitcoins for real money (eg: https://mtgox.com) or
>
> purchase
>
> services or goods in an increasing number of sites.
>
> In B order to B receive B donations you B only have B to B publish B one
>
> B of
>
> your
>
> accounts B as generated B by the B bitcoin client B or any specialized
>
> bitcoin
>
> trader (eg: mybitcoin.com).
>
> Currently B some B  projects B as B www.i2p2.de,
>
> B www.torrentservers.net
>
> and
>
> organizations like the EFF are accepting donations.
>
> In B my B opinion B this B kind B of decentralized solution without the
>
> need
>
> to
>
> trust B any B middlemen B is much better than B Paypal, Visa or
>
> Mastercard
>
> for
>
> security-minded people as most of your donors are.
>
> If B you B are B interested in B pushing B Bitcoin forward, B do not
>
> hesitate
>
> to
>
> contact me if you have any doubt.
>
> Yours,
>
> Cyclonite
>
>



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From sepp at lastrega.com  Mon Jan 17 02:40:52 2011
From: sepp at lastrega.com (Sepp Hasslberger)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:40:52 +0100
Subject: [P2P-F] Bitcoin donation
Message-ID: <mailman.2766.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Although I have misgivings about the stability of bitcoin, I support its use. (It's the only thing out there that is completely de-linked from official currencies and from things like precious metals, that is workable for more than just local exchange).

To explain my perplexity on bitcoin stability, I quote from the site cyclonite linked: 

"How much is a Bitcoin worth?

More all the time...

As you can see, over a 4 week period, recently...

The value of  `8?1.00 BTC (one Bitcoin), went from  US$0.06  to  US$0.50  ...within only about 4 weeks.   Yes...   That was an 833% increase in it's value.   Wow."

(http://www.bitcoinme.com/)

For me, a currency that is to be widely used, should be stable. Stable means it doesn't go down in value, but it also doesn't go up in value excessively. It should be roughly keeping its value. Going up as much as bitcoin evidently does, is a form of instability that will bring disturbance to a marketplace using bitcoin as its means of exchange. 

This instability could and should be remedied by adjusting the target total of bitcoin creation with an algorithm that takes into account the number of active bitcoin users. As the number of users increases, the total target amount of bitcoins to be created (which currently is fixed at 21,000,000) should increase, slowly creeping up to accomodate the demand of new users for bitcoins, in a way to keep the value of one single coin roughly stable. 

I do not know whether the creators of bitcoin would be willing to do this. 

For me, such an adjustment will be necessary to take bitcoin from experimental status to widely-used alternative means of payment status. 

Kind regards
Sepp





On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:44 AM, Samuel Rose wrote:

> Cyclonite, personally I am ready to work with bitcoin today, although
> the rest of p2pf may not be, which I'll respect
> 
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Cyclonite <cyclonite at safe-mail.net> wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>> 
>> I think there is some kind of misunderstanding here, you do not need to manually generate any kind of public/private keys as with OpenPGP.
>> 
>> You can even sign up in a website as mybitcoin.com and start making or receiving donations.
>> 
>> In my opinion the best available info for beginners is http://bitcoinme.com. Please take a look and you will get your doubts clear.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Cyclonite.
>> --
>> Secure Email contact: https://privacybox.de/cyclonite.msg
>> Bitcoin donations jar: 16FVZweaaJLvhAy91oDugqaf84kXiDJ9PG
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>> To: james burke <lifesized at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>, cyclonite at safe-mail.net, p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com>, Georg Pleger <g.pleger at yahoo.de>
>> Subject: Re: Bitcoin donation
>> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:30:23 -0500
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:54 AM, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Michel,
>>>> Yes, I do have a public key, but yet again,
>>>> another nice idea with terrible interaction design and userbility
>>>> - most people have no clue about public private keys, so this keeps it a
>>>> geek thing
>>> 
>>> I agree, although as far as I can see, the application at least takes
>>> care of this for the user. Still, your point is valid in that some
>>> people may not understand what is happening.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Most of the users of bitcoin now are early adopters, however. So, if
>>> p2pf did support donation via bitcoin, it would be joining an ecology
>>> of early adopters, and would likely only receive donation from those
>>> early adopters.
>>> 
>>>> - the actual app upon launch is unclear. Where to click, what to do,gah!
>>>> 
>>>> I can't really support this even if it is a p2p solution.
>>>> James
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Seems reasonable. If p2pf changes it's mind, I'm willing to
>>> participate in any experiments with bitcoin
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> James,
>>>>> 
>>>>> do you have a public key?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Michel
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is a p2p application, so we would need to post your's or James's
>>>>>> public key, and people who want to donate bitcoins would need then
>>>>>> send you the bitcoins by downloading the bitcoin application and
>>>>>> sending it to you
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> quote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Bitcoin utilizes public/private key digital signatures (ECDSA). A
>>>>>> coin has its owner's public key on it. When a coin is transferred from
>>>>>> user A to user B, A adds Bbs public key to the coin and signs it with
>>>>>> his own private key. Now B owns the coin and can transfer it further.
>>>>>> To prevent A from transferring the already used coin to another user
>>>>>> C, a public list of all the previous transactions is collectively
>>>>>> maintained by the network of Bitcoin nodes, and before each
>>>>>> transaction the coinbs unusedness will be checked."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Michel Bauwens
>>>>>> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sam, can you help us install it on the wiki and blog?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've downloaded and installed and am game to try with p2pf network
>>>>>>>> folks.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This could actually be really useful for lots of local economy efforts
>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Michel Bauwens
>>>>>>>> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dear,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> thanks a lot for this email,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> it seems that it is worthwhile for us to experiment with this, but I
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> forward this to James Burke for possible implementation
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> James, I think we should do this, what do  you think?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:42 PM, <cyclonite at safe-mail.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Dear friends,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have been looking in your site for any reference to Bitcoin for
>>>>>>>>>> making a
>>>>>>>>>> small donation.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> As  you  probably  know,  Bitcoin  (bitcoin.org)  is  a  new kind
>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>> P2P
>>>>>>>>>> crypto-currency in which the general public can  make donations,
>>>>>>>>>> macro
>>>>>>>>>>  or
>>>>>>>>>> micropayments   in  a  secure  and   anonymous  way  usually
>>>>>>>>>>  without
>>>>>>>>>>  any
>>>>>>>>>> transaction fee involved.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You can change Bitcoins for real money (eg: https://mtgox.com) or
>>>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>>> services or goods in an increasing number of sites.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> In  order to  receive  donations you  only have  to  publish  one
>>>>>>>>>>  of
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> accounts  as generated  by the  bitcoin client  or any specialized
>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin
>>>>>>>>>> trader (eg: mybitcoin.com).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Currently  some   projects  as  www.i2p2.de,
>>>>>>>>>>  www.torrentservers.net
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> organizations like the EFF are accepting donations.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> In  my  opinion  this  kind  of decentralized solution without the
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> trust  any  middlemen  is much better than  Paypal, Visa or
>>>>>>>>>> Mastercard
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> security-minded people as most of your donors are.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If  you  are  interested in  pushing  Bitcoin forward,  do not
>>>>>>>>>> hesitate
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> contact me if you have any doubt.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yours,
>>>>>>>>>> Cyclonite


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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:08:15 +0100
Subject: [P2P-F] Bitcoin donation
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From kga at oil.sumy.ua  Mon Jan 17 10:18:57 2011
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   19 Января 2011г.

Методы оптимизации расходов на выплату белой зарплаты: как выжить после замены ЕСН страховыми взносами

код: (четыре девять пять) 445-32-66 ; 445/З9.68

Цель:
С 2010 года единый социальный налог (ЕСН) отменен – он заменен обязательными страховыми взносами в ФОМС, ФСС и ПФР, ставка которых с 2011 года составит 34% почти для всех налогоплательщиков (включая субъектов УСН и ЕНВД). При этом регрессивная шкала взносов заменена отменой их уплаты, но доступно это будет только для высокооплачиваемых сотрудников. Если вспомнить про 13% НДФЛ и НДС, который тоже косвенно является налогом на зарплату, то многие предприниматели и руководители видят только один путь – назад, к "черным" схемам.
Курс посвящен поиску путей выживания компаний в новой ситуации при условии легальности всех выплат доходов физическим лицам. Участники узнают, как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать "зарплатные" налоги с учетом будущих изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменительной практики.

Программа:

1.Обзор изменений законодательства, связанных с заменой ЕСН обязательными страховыми взносами. Cколько и каких налогов и взносов платят предприятия и ИП на общей системе налогообложения и спецрежимах в 2010-2011 гг. Какие схемы стали или станут невыгодными; у каких налогоплательщиков положение даже улучшается; в каком случае выплата зарплаты на спецрежимах сохраняет свою актуальность.

2.Понятие и принципы налогового планирования: платить налоги, но не переплачивать. "Черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы. Классификация методов оптимизации налогообложения доходов физических лиц, которые рассматриваются на семинаре.

3.Использование специальных налоговых режимов:
 * дивидендные схемы – замена выплаты зарплате на "упрощенке"? Нюансы, рекомендации. Выплата квартальных дивидендов ежемесячно частями. Выплаты из прибыли в АО, ООО, производственном кооперативе ("народном предприятии"). Расчет эффективности,

 * договоры с предпринимателем: возмездного оказания услуг, выполнения работ, агентский, транспортные услуги, механизм трансфертных цен, штрафные санкции, аренда и пр. Расчет эффективности,

 * дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве предпринимателя: легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Выбор банков, проблемы, связанные с кассовой дисциплиной и политикой ЦБ. Текущая ситуация с обложением таких доходов НДФЛ.

4.Условия применения всех схем: Непритворный характер заключаемых сделок. Экономическая целесообразность расходов ("деловая цель", "легенда", отсутствие дублирующихся функций). Грамотное обоснование цен и документальное оформление расходов. Неаффилированность, прямые и косвенные признаки аффилированности, ее негативные последствия и когда она допустима; "искусственное дробление бизнеса с целью уклонения от уплаты налогов" (подход "как к ЮКОСу"); "деловые цели", обосновывающие деление бизнеса. Самостоятельность низконалоговых субъектов.

5.Использование вспомогательных организаций:
 * "инвалидные" организации и их филиалы, актуальность;
 * страховые компании. Страхование жизни работников и ДМС за счет предприятия.

6.Использование иностранных (низконалоговых) компаний. Корпоративные или личные пластиковые карты иностранных банков. Перевод на них или на карты российских банков зарплат, гонораров и иных легальных доходов от нерезидентов.

7.Как компенсировать "выпадение" отчислений в Пенсионный фонд на накопительную часть пенсии, в ФСС и ФОМС при применении налоговых схем, не предусматривающих выплату зарплаты.

8.Использование процентных займов от физлиц. Расчет эффективности.

9.Специальные методы. Все виды компенсаций (за несвоевременную выплату заработной платы, за использование личного имущества, за разъездной характер работы и др.). Выплата арендной платы. Закуп у физлиц ТМЦ. Суточные. Обучение сотрудников с заключением ученического договора, как способ налогового планирования.

10.Потребительское кредитование, компенсация процентов по ипотечным кредитам и другие эффективные способы замены заработной платы безналоговыми источниками материальной выгоды,

11.Создание недоимки по налогам с ФОТ на фирме, не обремененной активами – пример "серой" схемы (как нельзя "оптимизировать"!),

12.Способы подтверждения источников крупных расходов физлиц и когда это необходимо. Продажа имущества физическими лицами без НДФЛ через вклад в уставный капитал и ЕНВД.

13.Ответы на вопросы. По желанию – индивидуальное экспресс-моделирование схем налогового планирования для компаний-участниц семинара.

По вопpоcам pегucтаpацuu обpащайтеcь по тел: (495) 7Ч2-9l98 и 4Ч5*З_9_6_8
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From ptony82 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 20:13:55 2011
From: ptony82 at gmail.com (Pierre St Juste)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:13:55 -0500
Subject: [p2p-hackers] what would you like to see most in a p2p social
	network?
Message-ID: <mailman.2767.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

I would like to point out the SocialVPN project

http://socialvpn.org

It is basically a P2P VPN which creates direct encrypted tunnels to
friends. It currently uses the XMPP protocol for friend discovery and
public key exchange. This VPN thus creates a social graph where edges
are IP links. This infrastructure can be used as an enabler for many
other social services. Here are a few examples

1 - Instead of using Skype, you can use Ekiga with Avahi, Avahi
extension for Ekiga will discover online friends through multicast over
the social virtual private network, you can then place SIP call directly
over IP link.

2. For instant messaging, you can use Empathy or Pidgin with
Bonjour/Avahi support, as concept as above.

3. For video stream, you can stream a video over HTTP or RTP using VLC
and your friends can connect directly.

4. For social networking, you can run a wordpress blog locally and have
your friends connect to that, or you can write an social networking
application that communicates with friends over SocialVPN using Berkeley
sockets API instead of having to deal with building P2P library that
deals with NAT traversal, peer search and so on.

5. All data sent between peers is encrypted and authenticated, basically
the same idea behind IPSec if you support PKI certificate exchanges.

One of the hardest thing about building social P2P systems is having
with a user-friendly way to bootstrap these social links (or Darknets).
SocialVPN makes that step trivial so that developers can focus more on
making cool apps versus figuring out how to traverse NATs.

I hope this helps.

On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 18:57 -0800, David Barrett wrote:
> I'd suggest first figuring out why someone would pick a P2P social 
> network over Facebook, from a perspective of legitimate functionality 
> rather than just privacy (which as Facebook has demonstrated, isn't a 
> killer feature).  I'd suggest really emphasizing the fact that with 
> P2P-Book, there is no "uploading" photos or videos: you can share entire 
> folders of files, videos, documents, or whatever and their instantly 
> available to your friends -- without first uploading them somewhere else.
> 
> Furthermore, emphasize that you're not sharing *copies* of the videos, 
> songs, and photos -- you're sharing the originals: change the original 
> (crop, reorient, touch up, tag with metadata, etc) and its automatically 
> updated.
> 
> -david
> 
> On 01/17/2011 12:51 PM, Jan DomaEski wrote:
> > Hey Michael,
> >
> > Thanks for the comments, they're helpful.
> >
> > A lot of this boils down to having two (or more) 'sides' of self. One
> > for general public, others for the rest; this is doable.
> >
> > Grudge-friendly and jackboot resistant, in ideal world, comes with the
> > 'distributed' and 'secure+encrypted'. But sure, seems to have been lost
> > in the implementation of at least one social network i can think of.
> >
> > As to the grandmother compatibility, at least to me, this is not
> > absolutely essential at first.
> >
> > Cherio, Jan
> >
> > 2011/1/16 Michael Rogers <m-- at gmx.com <mailto:m-- at gmx.com>>
> >
> >     Hi Jan,
> >
> >     Here's a quick list of features I'd like to see in any social network
> >     (not just P2P ones):
> >
> >     * Grandmother-compatible. It should be possible to be friends with my
> >     grandmother without her seeing the photo of the time I did that thing
> >     with the grapes.
> >
> >     * Alcohol-compatible. There should be something as easy to remember as
> >     an email address that I can give to random people I befriend while
> >     drunk. And if they look me up the next day, there should be a polite way
> >     of not responding.
> >
> >     * Schoolproof. People should not be able to find my profile just because
> >     we went to school together 20 years ago. Similarly, people should not be
> >     able to find my profile just because I applied for a job at their
> >     company (or at least, they shouldn't be able to see the photo of the
> >     thing with the grapes).
> >
> >     * Grudge-friendly. It should be possible to move my data from one
> >     provider to another when the current provider accuses me of lacking
> >     integrity because I don't want my grandmother to see the photo etc etc.
> >
> >     * Jackboot-resistant. The Tunisian government should not be able to
> >     steal my password by setting up a fake login page.
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >     Michael
> >
> >     On 15/01/11 20:35, Jan DomaEski wrote:
> >      > Hello everybody out there interested in p2p social networking,
> >      >
> >      > I'm doing a (free) p2p social network (just a hobby, wonbt be big and
> >      > professional like diaspora). It has been in the works since
> >     summer,  and
> >      > begins to get some shape. I'd like any feedback on things people
> >      > like/dislike in the idea of a p2p social network and how this is
> >     solved
> >      > by the little toy.
> >      >
> >      > I've currently written it in java, netty handles the networking,
> >     Qt is
> >      > used for GUI. Some yml for configs and db4o for storage. Non-blocking
> >      > xml (XMPP) parser is a missing puzzle. The app has been run only on a
> >      > single machine, but it's already practical and I'd like to know what
> >      > features most people would want. Any suggestions are welcome, but I
> >      > wonbt promise Ibll implement them :]
> >      >
> >      > Two demos (the top one is new) below, gitorious and blog links inside
> >      > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAwCsYt16w
> >      > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dujrhGvBQ
> >      >
> >      > Jan (jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk>
> >     <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk>>)
> >      >
> >      > PS. Yes - it's all my own work and done as a scientist not a
> >     programmer,
> >      > which has terrible implications for code ;)
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > _______________________________________________
> >      > p2p-hackers mailing list
> >      > p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com <mailto:p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com>
> >      > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
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From ptony82 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 23:49:44 2011
From: ptony82 at gmail.com (Pierre St Juste)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 02:49:44 -0500
Subject: [p2p-hackers] what would you like to see most in a p2p social
	network?
Message-ID: <mailman.2768.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Here's some explanation about distributed NAT traversal.

We currently run a structured P2P overlay on Planetlab, when you run
SocialVPN you join that structured overlay, we usually have about 500 - 600
nodes running. If node A wants to connect to node B, the following happens:

1 - node A sends a ConnectToMe (CTM) message to node B by using node B's P2P
address (160-bit randomly chosen address).

2 - The CTM message contains node A's public IP and UDP port.

3 - Node B replies through the overlay with his public IP and UDP port and
simultaneous sends a UDP packet to node A's public IP and port.

4. When node A receives the reply with node B's IP and UDP port, node A
sends a UDP packet to node B's public IP and UDP port.

5. If you have a friendly NAT (not symmetric), then node A's packet will
make it to node B's machine since node B has already sent a packet to that
IP and port.

We call it a distributed STUN server because the Brunet P2P library allows
for discovery of one's public IP address and port and it also provides an
all-to-all messaging layer needed to signal the start of UDP hole punching.

As we all know, direct P2P communication is not always possible, in this
case, a node that is reachable by both parties is chosen as the relay nodes
and peers communicate through that.

Finally our NAT traversal is a bit slower than regular STUN because the
initial message is routed through a structured overlay that takes log(N)
hops on average, but you may have dropped UDP packets and retries, so it may
take milliseconds or a few seconds to set up direct P2P connection.

These papers explain in more detail

http://byron.acis.ufl.edu/papers/ipdps06ipop.pdf

http://byron.acis.ufl.edu/papers/hpdc145-ganguly.pdf

http://byron.acis.ufl.edu/papers/cops08.pdf

Hope this helps. I encourage anyone interesting to download SocialVPN and
try it out, there is windows installer and debian package. It currently
works with GoogleChat or by emailing each other your P2P address.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, David Barrett <dbarrett at quinthar.com>wrote:

> Wow, this looks really fantastic.  I hadn't followed its progress but it
> sounds like it's come a long way really fast.  I'd love to hear more
> about its distributed STUN service and NAT traversal.  Do you have any
> data on its effectiveness, perhaps expressed as the likelihood that two
> arbitrary nodes will be able to connect directly via the internet?  Is
> there a TURN or other relay service available as a fallback?  Thanks!
>
> -david
>
> On 01/17/2011 08:13 PM, Pierre St Juste wrote:
> > I would like to point out the SocialVPN project
> >
> > http://socialvpn.org
> >
> > It is basically a P2P VPN which creates direct encrypted tunnels to
> > friends. It currently uses the XMPP protocol for friend discovery and
> > public key exchange. This VPN thus creates a social graph where edges
> > are IP links. This infrastructure can be used as an enabler for many
> > other social services. Here are a few examples
> >
> > 1 - Instead of using Skype, you can use Ekiga with Avahi, Avahi
> > extension for Ekiga will discover online friends through multicast over
> > the social virtual private network, you can then place SIP call directly
> > over IP link.
> >
> > 2. For instant messaging, you can use Empathy or Pidgin with
> > Bonjour/Avahi support, as concept as above.
> >
> > 3. For video stream, you can stream a video over HTTP or RTP using VLC
> > and your friends can connect directly.
> >
> > 4. For social networking, you can run a wordpress blog locally and have
> > your friends connect to that, or you can write an social networking
> > application that communicates with friends over SocialVPN using Berkeley
> > sockets API instead of having to deal with building P2P library that
> > deals with NAT traversal, peer search and so on.
> >
> > 5. All data sent between peers is encrypted and authenticated, basically
> > the same idea behind IPSec if you support PKI certificate exchanges.
> >
> > One of the hardest thing about building social P2P systems is having
> > with a user-friendly way to bootstrap these social links (or Darknets).
> > SocialVPN makes that step trivial so that developers can focus more on
> > making cool apps versus figuring out how to traverse NATs.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> > On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 18:57 -0800, David Barrett wrote:
> >> I'd suggest first figuring out why someone would pick a P2P social
> >> network over Facebook, from a perspective of legitimate functionality
> >> rather than just privacy (which as Facebook has demonstrated, isn't a
> >> killer feature).  I'd suggest really emphasizing the fact that with
> >> P2P-Book, there is no "uploading" photos or videos: you can share entire
> >> folders of files, videos, documents, or whatever and their instantly
> >> available to your friends -- without first uploading them somewhere
> else.
> >>
> >> Furthermore, emphasize that you're not sharing *copies* of the videos,
> >> songs, and photos -- you're sharing the originals: change the original
> >> (crop, reorient, touch up, tag with metadata, etc) and its automatically
> >> updated.
> >>
> >> -david
> >>
> >> On 01/17/2011 12:51 PM, Jan DomaEski wrote:
> >>> Hey Michael,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the comments, they're helpful.
> >>>
> >>> A lot of this boils down to having two (or more) 'sides' of self. One
> >>> for general public, others for the rest; this is doable.
> >>>
> >>> Grudge-friendly and jackboot resistant, in ideal world, comes with the
> >>> 'distributed' and 'secure+encrypted'. But sure, seems to have been lost
> >>> in the implementation of at least one social network i can think of.
> >>>
> >>> As to the grandmother compatibility, at least to me, this is not
> >>> absolutely essential at first.
> >>>
> >>> Cherio, Jan
> >>>
> >>> 2011/1/16 Michael Rogers<m-- at gmx.com<mailto:m-- at gmx.com>>
> >>>
> >>>      Hi Jan,
> >>>
> >>>      Here's a quick list of features I'd like to see in any social
> network
> >>>      (not just P2P ones):
> >>>
> >>>      * Grandmother-compatible. It should be possible to be friends with
> my
> >>>      grandmother without her seeing the photo of the time I did that
> thing
> >>>      with the grapes.
> >>>
> >>>      * Alcohol-compatible. There should be something as easy to
> remember as
> >>>      an email address that I can give to random people I befriend while
> >>>      drunk. And if they look me up the next day, there should be a
> polite way
> >>>      of not responding.
> >>>
> >>>      * Schoolproof. People should not be able to find my profile just
> because
> >>>      we went to school together 20 years ago. Similarly, people should
> not be
> >>>      able to find my profile just because I applied for a job at their
> >>>      company (or at least, they shouldn't be able to see the photo of
> the
> >>>      thing with the grapes).
> >>>
> >>>      * Grudge-friendly. It should be possible to move my data from one
> >>>      provider to another when the current provider accuses me of
> lacking
> >>>      integrity because I don't want my grandmother to see the photo etc
> etc.
> >>>
> >>>      * Jackboot-resistant. The Tunisian government should not be able
> to
> >>>      steal my password by setting up a fake login page.
> >>>
> >>>      Cheers,
> >>>      Michael
> >>>
> >>>      On 15/01/11 20:35, Jan DomaEski wrote:
> >>>       >  Hello everybody out there interested in p2p social networking,
> >>>       >
> >>>       >  I'm doing a (free) p2p social network (just a hobby, wonbt be
> big and
> >>>       >  professional like diaspora). It has been in the works since
> >>>      summer,  and
> >>>       >  begins to get some shape. I'd like any feedback on things
> people
> >>>       >  like/dislike in the idea of a p2p social network and how this
> is
> >>>      solved
> >>>       >  by the little toy.
> >>>       >
> >>>       >  I've currently written it in java, netty handles the
> networking,
> >>>      Qt is
> >>>       >  used for GUI. Some yml for configs and db4o for storage.
> Non-blocking
> >>>       >  xml (XMPP) parser is a missing puzzle. The app has been run
> only on a
> >>>       >  single machine, but it's already practical and I'd like to
> know what
> >>>       >  features most people would want. Any suggestions are welcome,
> but I
> >>>       >  wonbt promise Ibll implement them :]
> >>>       >
> >>>       >  Two demos (the top one is new) below, gitorious and blog links
> inside
> >>>       >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAwCsYt16w
> >>>       >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dujrhGvBQ
> >>>       >
> >>>       >  Jan (jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk<mailto:
> jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk>
> >>>      <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk<mailto:
> jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk>>)
> >>>       >
> >>>       >  PS. Yes - it's all my own work and done as a scientist not a
> >>>      programmer,
> >>>       >  which has terrible implications for code ;)
> >>>       >
> >>>       >
> >>>       >
> >>>       >  _______________________________________________
> >>>       >  p2p-hackers mailing list
> >>>       >  p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com<mailto:
> p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com>
> >>>       >  http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com
> >>> http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
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From ptony82 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 00:17:04 2011
From: ptony82 at gmail.com (Pierre St Juste)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 03:17:04 -0500
Subject: [p2p-hackers] what would you like to see most in a p2p social
	network?
Message-ID: <mailman.2769.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Currently when you run SocialVPN, you will connect to our global
planetlab pool (essentially our bootstrap nodes). I would say that
success rate is pretty high (95% to 99.999%, I think we have some
numbers in our papers) if UDP is allowed on the network. We do support
TCP as well, but not TCP NAT traversal (that is hard), I am not sure of
success rate if you are on TCP only network. And of course, success rate
is zero if you are behind a corporate firewall that only allows specific
ports such as HTTP or SSH. Planetlab and most ISPs do not let users host
services on these popular ports. I think our use of Planetlab (hence a
static list of bootstrap nodes) made our solution much easier to
implement. We also have a feature which allows peers to use the XMPP's
STUN support to facilitate direct connections without having to depend
on Planetlab.

On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 23:58 -0800, David Barrett wrote:
> Oh, is it possible to connect to the SocialVPN overlay on PlanetLab via 
> the Internet?  Neat!  As for the STUN approach, that sounds about right 
> -- have you measured the actual success rate of peers attempting to 
> connect with it?  I know a few people on the list (including me) have 
> spent *A LOT* of energy on this topic, and it's really freakin' hard, 
> but super awesome.
> 
> -david
> 
> On 01/17/2011 11:49 PM, Pierre St Juste wrote:
> > Here's some explanation about distributed NAT traversal.
> >
> > We currently run a structured P2P overlay on Planetlab, when you run
> > SocialVPN you join that structured overlay, we usually have about 500 -
> > 600 nodes running. If node A wants to connect to node B, the following
> > happens:
> >
> > 1 - node A sends a ConnectToMe (CTM) message to node B by using node B's
> > P2P address (160-bit randomly chosen address).
> >
> > 2 - The CTM message contains node A's public IP and UDP port.
> >
> > 3 - Node B replies through the overlay with his public IP and UDP port
> > and simultaneous sends a UDP packet to node A's public IP and port.
> >
> > 4. When node A receives the reply with node B's IP and UDP port, node A
> > sends a UDP packet to node B's public IP and UDP port.
> >
> > 5. If you have a friendly NAT (not symmetric), then node A's packet will
> > make it to node B's machine since node B has already sent a packet to
> > that IP and port.
> >
> > We call it a distributed STUN server because the Brunet P2P library
> > allows for discovery of one's public IP address and port and it also
> > provides an all-to-all messaging layer needed to signal the start of UDP
> > hole punching.
> >
> > As we all know, direct P2P communication is not always possible, in this
> > case, a node that is reachable by both parties is chosen as the relay
> > nodes and peers communicate through that.
> >
> > Finally our NAT traversal is a bit slower than regular STUN because the
> > initial message is routed through a structured overlay that takes log(N)
> > hops on average, but you may have dropped UDP packets and retries, so it
> > may take milliseconds or a few seconds to set up direct P2P connection.
> >
> > These papers explain in more detail
> >
> > http://byron.acis.ufl.edu/papers/ipdps06ipop.pdf
> >
> > http://byron.acis.ufl.edu/papers/hpdc145-ganguly.pdf
> >
> > http://byron.acis.ufl.edu/papers/cops08.pdf
> >
> > Hope this helps. I encourage anyone interesting to download SocialVPN
> > and try it out, there is windows installer and debian package. It
> > currently works with GoogleChat or by emailing each other your P2P address.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, David Barrett <dbarrett at quinthar.com
> > <mailto:dbarrett at quinthar.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Wow, this looks really fantastic.  I hadn't followed its progress but it
> >     sounds like it's come a long way really fast.  I'd love to hear more
> >     about its distributed STUN service and NAT traversal.  Do you have any
> >     data on its effectiveness, perhaps expressed as the likelihood that two
> >     arbitrary nodes will be able to connect directly via the internet?  Is
> >     there a TURN or other relay service available as a fallback?  Thanks!
> >
> >     -david
> >
> >     On 01/17/2011 08:13 PM, Pierre St Juste wrote:
> >      > I would like to point out the SocialVPN project
> >      >
> >      > http://socialvpn.org
> >      >
> >      > It is basically a P2P VPN which creates direct encrypted tunnels to
> >      > friends. It currently uses the XMPP protocol for friend discovery and
> >      > public key exchange. This VPN thus creates a social graph where edges
> >      > are IP links. This infrastructure can be used as an enabler for many
> >      > other social services. Here are a few examples
> >      >
> >      > 1 - Instead of using Skype, you can use Ekiga with Avahi, Avahi
> >      > extension for Ekiga will discover online friends through
> >     multicast over
> >      > the social virtual private network, you can then place SIP call
> >     directly
> >      > over IP link.
> >      >
> >      > 2. For instant messaging, you can use Empathy or Pidgin with
> >      > Bonjour/Avahi support, as concept as above.
> >      >
> >      > 3. For video stream, you can stream a video over HTTP or RTP
> >     using VLC
> >      > and your friends can connect directly.
> >      >
> >      > 4. For social networking, you can run a wordpress blog locally
> >     and have
> >      > your friends connect to that, or you can write an social networking
> >      > application that communicates with friends over SocialVPN using
> >     Berkeley
> >      > sockets API instead of having to deal with building P2P library that
> >      > deals with NAT traversal, peer search and so on.
> >      >
> >      > 5. All data sent between peers is encrypted and authenticated,
> >     basically
> >      > the same idea behind IPSec if you support PKI certificate exchanges.
> >      >
> >      > One of the hardest thing about building social P2P systems is having
> >      > with a user-friendly way to bootstrap these social links (or
> >     Darknets).
> >      > SocialVPN makes that step trivial so that developers can focus
> >     more on
> >      > making cool apps versus figuring out how to traverse NATs.
> >      >
> >      > I hope this helps.
> >      >
> >      > On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 18:57 -0800, David Barrett wrote:
> >      >> I'd suggest first figuring out why someone would pick a P2P social
> >      >> network over Facebook, from a perspective of legitimate
> >     functionality
> >      >> rather than just privacy (which as Facebook has demonstrated,
> >     isn't a
> >      >> killer feature).  I'd suggest really emphasizing the fact that with
> >      >> P2P-Book, there is no "uploading" photos or videos: you can
> >     share entire
> >      >> folders of files, videos, documents, or whatever and their instantly
> >      >> available to your friends -- without first uploading them
> >     somewhere else.
> >      >>
> >      >> Furthermore, emphasize that you're not sharing *copies* of the
> >     videos,
> >      >> songs, and photos -- you're sharing the originals: change the
> >     original
> >      >> (crop, reorient, touch up, tag with metadata, etc) and its
> >     automatically
> >      >> updated.
> >      >>
> >      >> -david
> >      >>
> >      >> On 01/17/2011 12:51 PM, Jan DomaEski wrote:
> >      >>> Hey Michael,
> >      >>>
> >      >>> Thanks for the comments, they're helpful.
> >      >>>
> >      >>> A lot of this boils down to having two (or more) 'sides' of
> >     self. One
> >      >>> for general public, others for the rest; this is doable.
> >      >>>
> >      >>> Grudge-friendly and jackboot resistant, in ideal world, comes
> >     with the
> >      >>> 'distributed' and 'secure+encrypted'. But sure, seems to have
> >     been lost
> >      >>> in the implementation of at least one social network i can
> >     think of.
> >      >>>
> >      >>> As to the grandmother compatibility, at least to me, this is not
> >      >>> absolutely essential at first.
> >      >>>
> >      >>> Cherio, Jan
> >      >>>
> >      >>> 2011/1/16 Michael Rogers<m-- at gmx.com
> >     <mailto:m-- at gmx.com><mailto:m-- at gmx.com <mailto:m-- at gmx.com>>>
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      Hi Jan,
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      Here's a quick list of features I'd like to see in any
> >     social network
> >      >>>      (not just P2P ones):
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      * Grandmother-compatible. It should be possible to be
> >     friends with my
> >      >>>      grandmother without her seeing the photo of the time I did
> >     that thing
> >      >>>      with the grapes.
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      * Alcohol-compatible. There should be something as easy to
> >     remember as
> >      >>>      an email address that I can give to random people I
> >     befriend while
> >      >>>      drunk. And if they look me up the next day, there should
> >     be a polite way
> >      >>>      of not responding.
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      * Schoolproof. People should not be able to find my
> >     profile just because
> >      >>>      we went to school together 20 years ago. Similarly, people
> >     should not be
> >      >>>      able to find my profile just because I applied for a job
> >     at their
> >      >>>      company (or at least, they shouldn't be able to see the
> >     photo of the
> >      >>>      thing with the grapes).
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      * Grudge-friendly. It should be possible to move my data
> >     from one
> >      >>>      provider to another when the current provider accuses me
> >     of lacking
> >      >>>      integrity because I don't want my grandmother to see the
> >     photo etc etc.
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      * Jackboot-resistant. The Tunisian government should not
> >     be able to
> >      >>>      steal my password by setting up a fake login page.
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      Cheers,
> >      >>>      Michael
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      On 15/01/11 20:35, Jan DomaEski wrote:
> >      >>> >  Hello everybody out there interested in p2p social networking,
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >  I'm doing a (free) p2p social network (just a hobby, wonbt
> >     be big and
> >      >>> >  professional like diaspora). It has been in the works since
> >      >>>      summer,  and
> >      >>> >  begins to get some shape. I'd like any feedback on things people
> >      >>> >  like/dislike in the idea of a p2p social network and how this is
> >      >>>      solved
> >      >>> >  by the little toy.
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >  I've currently written it in java, netty handles the networking,
> >      >>>      Qt is
> >      >>> >  used for GUI. Some yml for configs and db4o for storage.
> >     Non-blocking
> >      >>> >  xml (XMPP) parser is a missing puzzle. The app has been run
> >     only on a
> >      >>> >  single machine, but it's already practical and I'd like to
> >     know what
> >      >>> >  features most people would want. Any suggestions are
> >     welcome, but I
> >      >>> >  wonbt promise Ibll implement them :]
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >  Two demos (the top one is new) below, gitorious and blog
> >     links inside
> >      >>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAwCsYt16w
> >      >>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dujrhGvBQ
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >  Jan (jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk
> >     <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk><mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk
> >     <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk>>
> >      >>> <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk
> >     <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk><mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk
> >     <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk>>>)
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >  PS. Yes - it's all my own work and done as a scientist not a
> >      >>>      programmer,
> >      >>> >  which has terrible implications for code ;)
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >  _______________________________________________
> >      >>> >  p2p-hackers mailing list
> >      >>> > p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com
> >     <mailto:p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com><mailto:p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com
> >     <mailto:p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com>>
> >      >>> > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
> >      >>>
> >      >>>
> >      >>>
> >      >>>
> >      >>> _______________________________________________
> >      >>> p2p-hackers mailing list
> >      >>> p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com <mailto:p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com>
> >      >>> http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
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> >      >> http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
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> >      >
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
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From renato at acis.ufl.edu  Tue Jan 18 05:08:59 2011
From: renato at acis.ufl.edu (Renato Figueiredo)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:08:59 -0500
Subject: [p2p-hackers] what would you like to see most in a p2p social
	network?
Message-ID: <mailman.2770.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

David,

In addition to STUN, we also have a decentralized mechanism to select 1-hop
relays in the overlay when NAT traversal fails. We have done
simulation-based studies and our empirical evidence from the deployed
SocialVPN/Brunet systems is that these approaches work pretty well, but we
don't have a study of the system "in the wild" with large numbers of real
users behind NATs. We are planning to reach to a reasonably large number of
users to use the software to collect this among other kinds of data; any
suggestions/ideas on how to reach out to potential users for an experiment
would be welcome.

Thanks!
--rf

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:58 AM, David Barrett <dbarrett at quinthar.com>wrote:

> Oh, is it possible to connect to the SocialVPN overlay on PlanetLab via
> the Internet?  Neat!  As for the STUN approach, that sounds about right
> -- have you measured the actual success rate of peers attempting to
> connect with it?  I know a few people on the list (including me) have
> spent *A LOT* of energy on this topic, and it's really freakin' hard,
> but super awesome.
>
> -david
>
> On 01/17/2011 11:49 PM, Pierre St Juste wrote:
> > Here's some explanation about distributed NAT traversal.
> >
> > We currently run a structured P2P overlay on Planetlab, when you run
> > SocialVPN you join that structured overlay, we usually have about 500 -
> > 600 nodes running. If node A wants to connect to node B, the following
> > happens:
> >
> > 1 - node A sends a ConnectToMe (CTM) message to node B by using node B's
> > P2P address (160-bit randomly chosen address).
> >
> > 2 - The CTM message contains node A's public IP and UDP port.
> >
> > 3 - Node B replies through the overlay with his public IP and UDP port
> > and simultaneous sends a UDP packet to node A's public IP and port.
> >
> > 4. When node A receives the reply with node B's IP and UDP port, node A
> > sends a UDP packet to node B's public IP and UDP port.
> >
> > 5. If you have a friendly NAT (not symmetric), then node A's packet will
> > make it to node B's machine since node B has already sent a packet to
> > that IP and port.
> >
> > We call it a distributed STUN server because the Brunet P2P library
> > allows for discovery of one's public IP address and port and it also
> > provides an all-to-all messaging layer needed to signal the start of UDP
> > hole punching.
> >
> > As we all know, direct P2P communication is not always possible, in this
> > case, a node that is reachable by both parties is chosen as the relay
> > nodes and peers communicate through that.
> >
> > Finally our NAT traversal is a bit slower than regular STUN because the
> > initial message is routed through a structured overlay that takes log(N)
> > hops on average, but you may have dropped UDP packets and retries, so it
> > may take milliseconds or a few seconds to set up direct P2P connection.
> >
> > These papers explain in more detail
> >
> > http://byron.acis.ufl.edu/papers/ipdps06ipop.pdf
> >
> > http://byron.acis.ufl.edu/papers/hpdc145-ganguly.pdf
> >
> > http://byron.acis.ufl.edu/papers/cops08.pdf
> >
> > Hope this helps. I encourage anyone interesting to download SocialVPN
> > and try it out, there is windows installer and debian package. It
> > currently works with GoogleChat or by emailing each other your P2P
> address.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, David Barrett <dbarrett at quinthar.com
> > <mailto:dbarrett at quinthar.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Wow, this looks really fantastic.  I hadn't followed its progress but
> it
> >     sounds like it's come a long way really fast.  I'd love to hear more
> >     about its distributed STUN service and NAT traversal.  Do you have
> any
> >     data on its effectiveness, perhaps expressed as the likelihood that
> two
> >     arbitrary nodes will be able to connect directly via the internet?
>  Is
> >     there a TURN or other relay service available as a fallback?  Thanks!
> >
> >     -david
> >
> >     On 01/17/2011 08:13 PM, Pierre St Juste wrote:
> >      > I would like to point out the SocialVPN project
> >      >
> >      > http://socialvpn.org
> >      >
> >      > It is basically a P2P VPN which creates direct encrypted tunnels
> to
> >      > friends. It currently uses the XMPP protocol for friend discovery
> and
> >      > public key exchange. This VPN thus creates a social graph where
> edges
> >      > are IP links. This infrastructure can be used as an enabler for
> many
> >      > other social services. Here are a few examples
> >      >
> >      > 1 - Instead of using Skype, you can use Ekiga with Avahi, Avahi
> >      > extension for Ekiga will discover online friends through
> >     multicast over
> >      > the social virtual private network, you can then place SIP call
> >     directly
> >      > over IP link.
> >      >
> >      > 2. For instant messaging, you can use Empathy or Pidgin with
> >      > Bonjour/Avahi support, as concept as above.
> >      >
> >      > 3. For video stream, you can stream a video over HTTP or RTP
> >     using VLC
> >      > and your friends can connect directly.
> >      >
> >      > 4. For social networking, you can run a wordpress blog locally
> >     and have
> >      > your friends connect to that, or you can write an social
> networking
> >      > application that communicates with friends over SocialVPN using
> >     Berkeley
> >      > sockets API instead of having to deal with building P2P library
> that
> >      > deals with NAT traversal, peer search and so on.
> >      >
> >      > 5. All data sent between peers is encrypted and authenticated,
> >     basically
> >      > the same idea behind IPSec if you support PKI certificate
> exchanges.
> >      >
> >      > One of the hardest thing about building social P2P systems is
> having
> >      > with a user-friendly way to bootstrap these social links (or
> >     Darknets).
> >      > SocialVPN makes that step trivial so that developers can focus
> >     more on
> >      > making cool apps versus figuring out how to traverse NATs.
> >      >
> >      > I hope this helps.
> >      >
> >      > On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 18:57 -0800, David Barrett wrote:
> >      >> I'd suggest first figuring out why someone would pick a P2P
> social
> >      >> network over Facebook, from a perspective of legitimate
> >     functionality
> >      >> rather than just privacy (which as Facebook has demonstrated,
> >     isn't a
> >      >> killer feature).  I'd suggest really emphasizing the fact that
> with
> >      >> P2P-Book, there is no "uploading" photos or videos: you can
> >     share entire
> >      >> folders of files, videos, documents, or whatever and their
> instantly
> >      >> available to your friends -- without first uploading them
> >     somewhere else.
> >      >>
> >      >> Furthermore, emphasize that you're not sharing *copies* of the
> >     videos,
> >      >> songs, and photos -- you're sharing the originals: change the
> >     original
> >      >> (crop, reorient, touch up, tag with metadata, etc) and its
> >     automatically
> >      >> updated.
> >      >>
> >      >> -david
> >      >>
> >      >> On 01/17/2011 12:51 PM, Jan DomaEski wrote:
> >      >>> Hey Michael,
> >      >>>
> >      >>> Thanks for the comments, they're helpful.
> >      >>>
> >      >>> A lot of this boils down to having two (or more) 'sides' of
> >     self. One
> >      >>> for general public, others for the rest; this is doable.
> >      >>>
> >      >>> Grudge-friendly and jackboot resistant, in ideal world, comes
> >     with the
> >      >>> 'distributed' and 'secure+encrypted'. But sure, seems to have
> >     been lost
> >      >>> in the implementation of at least one social network i can
> >     think of.
> >      >>>
> >      >>> As to the grandmother compatibility, at least to me, this is not
> >      >>> absolutely essential at first.
> >      >>>
> >      >>> Cherio, Jan
> >      >>>
> >      >>> 2011/1/16 Michael Rogers<m-- at gmx.com
> >     <mailto:m-- at gmx.com><mailto:m-- at gmx.com <mailto:m-- at gmx.com>>>
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      Hi Jan,
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      Here's a quick list of features I'd like to see in any
> >     social network
> >      >>>      (not just P2P ones):
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      * Grandmother-compatible. It should be possible to be
> >     friends with my
> >      >>>      grandmother without her seeing the photo of the time I did
> >     that thing
> >      >>>      with the grapes.
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      * Alcohol-compatible. There should be something as easy to
> >     remember as
> >      >>>      an email address that I can give to random people I
> >     befriend while
> >      >>>      drunk. And if they look me up the next day, there should
> >     be a polite way
> >      >>>      of not responding.
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      * Schoolproof. People should not be able to find my
> >     profile just because
> >      >>>      we went to school together 20 years ago. Similarly, people
> >     should not be
> >      >>>      able to find my profile just because I applied for a job
> >     at their
> >      >>>      company (or at least, they shouldn't be able to see the
> >     photo of the
> >      >>>      thing with the grapes).
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      * Grudge-friendly. It should be possible to move my data
> >     from one
> >      >>>      provider to another when the current provider accuses me
> >     of lacking
> >      >>>      integrity because I don't want my grandmother to see the
> >     photo etc etc.
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      * Jackboot-resistant. The Tunisian government should not
> >     be able to
> >      >>>      steal my password by setting up a fake login page.
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      Cheers,
> >      >>>      Michael
> >      >>>
> >      >>>      On 15/01/11 20:35, Jan DomaEski wrote:
> >      >>> >  Hello everybody out there interested in p2p social
> networking,
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >  I'm doing a (free) p2p social network (just a hobby, wonbt
> >     be big and
> >      >>> >  professional like diaspora). It has been in the works since
> >      >>>      summer,  and
> >      >>> >  begins to get some shape. I'd like any feedback on things
> people
> >      >>> >  like/dislike in the idea of a p2p social network and how this
> is
> >      >>>      solved
> >      >>> >  by the little toy.
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >  I've currently written it in java, netty handles the
> networking,
> >      >>>      Qt is
> >      >>> >  used for GUI. Some yml for configs and db4o for storage.
> >     Non-blocking
> >      >>> >  xml (XMPP) parser is a missing puzzle. The app has been run
> >     only on a
> >      >>> >  single machine, but it's already practical and I'd like to
> >     know what
> >      >>> >  features most people would want. Any suggestions are
> >     welcome, but I
> >      >>> >  wonbt promise Ibll implement them :]
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >  Two demos (the top one is new) below, gitorious and blog
> >     links inside
> >      >>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAwCsYt16w
> >      >>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1dujrhGvBQ
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >  Jan (jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk
> >     <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk><mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk
> >     <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk>>
> >      >>> <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk
> >     <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk><mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk
> >     <mailto:jan.domanski at new.ox.ac.uk>>>)
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >  PS. Yes - it's all my own work and done as a scientist not a
> >      >>>      programmer,
> >      >>> >  which has terrible implications for code ;)
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >
> >      >>> >  _______________________________________________
> >      >>> >  p2p-hackers mailing list
> >      >>> > p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com
> >     <mailto:p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com><mailto:
> p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com
> >     <mailto:p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com>>
> >      >>> > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
> >      >>>
> >      >>>
> >      >>>
> >      >>>
> >      >>> _______________________________________________
> >      >>> p2p-hackers mailing list
> >      >>> p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com <mailto:p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com
> >
> >      >>> http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
> >      >> _______________________________________________
> >      >> p2p-hackers mailing list
> >      >> p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com <mailto:p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com>
> >      >> http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > _______________________________________________
> >      > p2p-hackers mailing list
> >      > p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com <mailto:p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com>
> >      > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     p2p-hackers mailing list
> >     p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com <mailto:p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com>
> >     http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Pierre St Juste
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > p2p-hackers mailing list
> > p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com
> > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
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> http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers
>



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From a at foo.be  Tue Jan 18 00:43:26 2011
From: a at foo.be (Alexandre Dulaunoy)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:43:26 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] How Piracy Will Hyperlocalize with Mesh Networks
Message-ID: <mailman.2771.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:06 AM, David Barrett <dbarrett at quinthar.com> wrote:
> It occurs to me that you could probably do most of this, today, using
> Bluetooth.  Indeed, does anybody know anything about the various
> Bluetooth mesh networks / scatternets I see on Google?

There are some experiments or academic test like piconetwork. There was one
call NAN : Near-me area network but I don't know any public implementation.

Piconet was something foreseen for Bluetooth but I don't know if there is
current any use of it.

In the same spirit (relying on any local IP networks), I prototyped Forban
to share files in an opportunist way on temporary networks or mobile networks.
The protocol is really simple : relying on HTTP for everything except
the announce
part in broadcast (in IPv4) and in multicast (in IPv6).

http://www.foo.be/forban/
https://github.com/adulau/Forban

I looked at the early beginning at Bluetooth but the most common network, where
everyone is connected to, is more wireless local area networks using IP even
recent phone are using plain standard IP over 802.11.

If you have any ideas, let me know.

Kind regards,


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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Jan 18 03:39:26 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:39:26 +0100
Subject: Coming soon: A new way to hack into your smartphone
Message-ID: <20110118113926.GM23560@leitl.org>

(closely related to 0wning the NIC instead of the whole host)

http://www.itworld.com/print/133796 

Coming soon: A new way to hack into your smartphone

by Robert McMillan

January 17, 2011 b  

Ralf-Philipp Weinmann (center) with organizers of the Pwn2Own contest at the
2010 CanSecWest conference in Vancouver. Weinmann will be demoing a new way
of breaking into mobile phones this week. He's found a way of breaking into
the baseband processors used by phones to communicate with cellular towers.
Last year, Weinmann won the Pwn2Own contest with another mobile hack. 

Photo credit: Robert McMillan / IDG News Service

More than three years after the iPhone was first hacked, computer security
experts think they've found a whole new way to break into mobile phones --
one that could become a big headache for Apple, or for smartphone makers
using Google's Android software.

In a presentation set for next week's Black Hat conference in Washington
D.C., University of Luxembourg research associate Ralf-Philipp Weinmann says
he plans to demonstrate his new technique on an iPhone and an Android device,
showing how they could be converted into clandestine spying systems. "I will
demo how to use the auto-answer feature present in most phones to turn the
telephone into a remote listening device," he said in an e-mail interview.

Weinmann says he can do this by breaking the phone's "baseband" processor,
used to send and receive radio signals as the device communicates on its
cellular network. He has found bugs in the way the firmware used in chips
sold by Qualcomm and Infineon Technologies processes radio signals on the GSM
(Global System for Mobile Communications) networks used by the majority of
the world's wireless carriers.

This is a new area of research. Until recently, mobile phone attacks had
focused on another part of the phone: the programs and operating systems that
runs on the device's CPU. By tricking someone into visiting a malicious Web
site, for example, hackers could take advantage of a Web browser bug on the
phone and start messing around with the computer's memory.

With baseband hacking, security researchers are looking at a brand new way to
get into this memory.

"[It's] like tipping over a rock that no one ever thought would be tipped
over," said the Grugq -- a pseudonymous, but well-respected, wireless phone
hacker, and one of a handful of people who have done research in this area.
"There are a lot of bugs hidden there," he said, "It is just a matter of
actively looking for them."

But hacking a smartphone with a baseband attack is very tricky, to say the
least. The mobile phone's radio communicates with a cell phone tower. So in
Weinmann's attack, he has to first set up a fake cell phone tower and then
convince his target phone to connect to it. Only then can he deliver his
malicious code. And even then, the malicious code he writes must run on the
firmware that's used by obscure radio processors -- something that most
hackers know nothing about.

"This is an extremely technical attack," said Don Bailey, a security
consultant with Isec Partners. He says that while the work on baseband
hacking is very exciting -- and ultimately a big deal for the mobile phone
industry -- he doesn't expect any attacks that target the general public to
emerge anytime soon.

But the research into this area is just starting to take off, fuelled by new
open-source software called OpenBTS that allows virtually anyone to set up
their own cellular network radio tower with about $2,000 worth of computer
hardware.  Five years ago device makers didn't have to worry about this type
of hacking, because it used to cost tens of thousands of dollars to set up a
cellular tower. But OpenBTS has changed all that. "Now it's a completely
different game," Bailey said.

It's a risky game too. In the U.S., federal wiretapping laws make it illegal
to intercept phone calls over the licensed frequencies used by mobile phones.
In August, it took intense last-minute negotiations between lawyers from the
Electronic Frontier Foundation and the U.S. Federal Communications Commission
before security researcher Chris Paget could demonstrate a very simple tower
spoofing technique at the Defcon hacking conference in Las Vegas.

Two months from now another hacker conference, Vancouver's CanSecWest, will
invite hackers to break into mobile phones using a low power transmitter. If
their baseband attacks work, they can win cash prices. Conference organizer
Dragos Ruiu said that Canada's broadcast laws are "more lenient' for
researchers who want to set up low-power towers for research purposes.

Still, it remains a touchy subject. "Last year we were worried about falling
afoul of regulations," he said."Now we've figured out a nice safe way to do
that so that we don't mess up anybody else's cell phones at the conference."
Ruiu expects some interesting results from the contest, called Pwn2Own. "It
sounds like the radio parts of the phones are very shaky indeed and pretty
vulnerable," he said.

Robert McMillan covers computer security and general technology breaking news
for The IDG News Service. Follow Robert on Twitter at @bobmcmillan. Robert's
e-mail address is robert_mcmillan at idg.com




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Правильное Налоговое планирование исключает фирмы-однодневки и обналичку
 

1.Что такое "черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы, обналичка, фирма-однодневка ("помойка", "недобросовестный" или "проблемный" налогоплательщик, "фонарь" и т.п.).Как выявить внешнего контрагента-однодневку и исключить отношения с ним.

2.Обналичивание. Для чего используется:
-"черная" зарплата и доходы собственников бизнеса;
-оплата расходов, которые не хочется проводить официально;
-незаконная деятельность (взятки, откаты, финансирование политической деятельности┘);

Законные альтернативы (только для законных целей!):
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-перевод расходов в безналичную форму. Представительские расходы.

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-псевдооптимизация НДС и налога на прибыль в отдельных сделках или всей деятельности;
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--"серая конвертация";
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From cryptome at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 19 07:10:20 2011
From: cryptome at earthlink.net (John Young)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:10:20 -0500
Subject: <nettime> monitoring and surveillance
Message-ID: <mailman.2772.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


Odd that the Weimar-Princeton announcement makes no mention of
scholars and researchers gathering, aggregating, mining and messing
with Internet users data under guise of investigating and analyzing
the world's greatest-ever spying machine by spying on the gullible
users "to protect them," the motto of secret agents forever.

Bundles of irresistable funding for that, indeed, alliances and
standards-setting bodies have been established to bless this villainy
and the finely-coutured apologists for the villainous institutions and
"leading" scholars.

Be sure tell the public right away with every media study announcement
about the spy agencies' multi-millions being distributed to eager
institutions to foster open source spying, spy training, covert spying
and camouflage thereof. Admire the spread of euphemistic "security
studies" and "surveillance studies" and "social media studies" and in
particular "open source studies." Even the spy agencies vaunt these
luser lures in their recruiting materials. High-tech seekers, media
mavens especially solicited by CIA University, rush to intern in home
bases of spies and pursue advanced degrees in their cash-rich outliers
in universities. Note who runs these social studies programs ever
adaptable to the king's coin.

Remember the invention by Plato of Socrates, a friendly fellow
favoring open discourse, to undergird the highly privileged
philosopher as king. Machiavelli adored Plato's conceit. Remember the
invention of philosophy to undergird dissimulation, wise faculty club
debate tea cup held with little finger poised just so to signal how
pleasurable it is to outsmart.

Meta surveillance studies presumably sanitizes the vile practice
of social studies long invested in codifying human behavior, first
as allegedly disinterested scholarship, then to repackage and sell
as means of political control to full-spectrum authoritatives ever
indebted to funding sources open and secret, especially the secret
which requires non-disclosure as a condition of scholarly bribery.

Dissimulation provides an escape from complicity, thank heavens for
duplictious obfuscation. "I had no idea my work would be used that
way."

Here's a suggestion: if any use of scholarly research is ever used for
secret purposes the original scholars shall be hung until dead from
Alma Mater, left to rot as a signal of why secrecy is the greatest
threat to democracy.

Monitoring the extended use of scholarly research shall no longer
be forgiven by exculpatory sophistry. No more excusing the study of
complicity by deeper treachery of exploiting hard-up students to do
spies' "dirty work." Oops that is the name of a famous spy story
dissimulation.

Odd that the illegality of data gathering on the Internet is never
admitted by overseers of the intellectual commonweal. Odd that privacy
policies are always taken "very seriously," but never disclosed as
duplicitous.






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From mladen.gladic at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 04:09:25 2011
From: mladen.gladic at gmail.com (Mladen Gladic)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:09:25 +0100
Subject: <nettime> monitoring and surveillance
Message-ID: <mailman.2773.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



Maybe this might be of interest for the list?

Thank you,

Mladen Gladic

Monitoring and Surveillance
Inaugural Weimar-Princeton Summer School for Media Studies

The first international Summer School for Media Studies, a
co-operation between the Bauhaus-UniversitC$t Weimar (Internationales
Kolleg fC<r Kulturtechnikforschung und Medienphilosophie, IKKM) and
Princeton University (Department of German), will take place from June
6 b June 10, 2011 in Weimar, Germany. Conceived as the first in a
series of annual summer schools that will be held alternately at the
IKKM Weimar and at Princeton University, the 2011 program will be
directed by Lorenz Engell (Weimar) and Thomas Levin (Princeton).

This yearbs summer school will focus on the comparative analysis and
theoretical investigation of selected aspects of surveillance culture.
The weeklong series of seminars, workshops, and lectures will be
devoted to an examination of the technological, aesthetic, political,
and conceptual dimensions of surveillance practices. The summer school
will address these practices specifically within the categories of
monitoring, tracking, and data aggregation.

The concept of monitoring is especially relevant to surveillance
practices inherent in television technology and therefore refers to
new forms of engaging with the visual. Tracking, on the other hand,
refers to a wider scope of the politics of control, which are
promoted, for instance, by the use of devices such as GPS and cell
phone positionality services. Furthermore, these politics also
underlie the emerging cultures of social media.

The aggregation of vast databases of personal information gathered
from, for example, frequent flyer accounts, surfing history,
toll-roads, cell phone and credit card usage, all result from the
ability to track information. This process of data aggregation is
aimed at the production of cyber-portraiturebor the bdata
shadowbbwhich exists for nearly everyone and calls into question the
notion of informational self-determination within the framework of
what one could call a surveillance ontology (I am surveilled therefore
I am).

The summer school will discuss and compare these practices of
surveillance and offer in-depth analyses of both the conceptual
framework and the media of surveillance.

For more information on the Princeton-Weimar Summer School visit
www.ikkm-weimar.de/summerschool





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From maria at packet.zaporizhzhe.ua  Wed Jan 19 04:57:54 2011
From: maria at packet.zaporizhzhe.ua (=?koi8-r?B?7s/X2cUg08jFzdkgz8LOwczB?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:57:54 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?+sHLz87O2cUg09DP08/C2SDTzsnWxc7JxSDOwczPx8/Xz8ogzsHH0tXa?=
	=?koi8-r?B?y8k=?=
Message-ID: <5F4A21B9AA7648D8B541C195283E5688@microsof2cab77>

28 Января 2О1lг.
+7 Московский код: 7Ч2.9|*98 <> 7/Ч2/9I/98

Максимум выживаемости без фирм-однодневок как правильно себя чувствовать без обналички
 

1.Что такое "черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы, обналичка, фирма-однодневка ("помойка", "недобросовестный" или "проблемный" налогоплательщик, "фонарь" и т.п.).Как выявить внешнего контрагента-однодневку и исключить отношения с ним.

2.Обналичивание. Для чего используется:
-"черная" зарплата и доходы собственников бизнеса;
-оплата расходов, которые не хочется проводить официально;
-незаконная деятельность (взятки, откаты, финансирование политической деятельности…);

Законные альтернативы (только для законных целей!):
-зарплата и дивиденды на спецрежимах, выплата процентов, компенсаций, аренда, покупка у физлиц ТМЦ, ИП на ЕНВД или УСН (в т.ч. на патенте) – как использовать;
-дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве ИП – легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Текущая ситуация с обложением таких доходов НДФЛ. Получение наличных по чеку на расходы ИП, через личные (карточные) счета, по сделкам с другими ИП, занимающимися розницей, общепитом, услугами населению и т.п.;
-зарплата в большом размере - нулевая ставка страховых взносов;
-платежи от нерезидентов на карты, основания. Аутстафинг от нерезидента;
-перевод расходов в безналичную форму. Представительские расходы.

3.Однодневки. Для чего используются:
-псевдооптимизация НДС и налога на прибыль в отдельных сделках или всей деятельности;
--"серый импорт";
--"серая конвертация";
--незаконная деятельность.

Законные альтернативы однодневкам (только для законных целей!):
-затратные механизмы или трансфертное ценообразование с участием низконалоговых субъектов;
-выявление (создание) покупателей (заказчиков), не нуждающихся в вычете НДС, разделение финансовых потоков "с НДС" и "без НДС";
-простое товарищество с участием субъектов УСН и/или нерезидентов, работа по агентским или комиссионным договорам с ними;
-прямой импорт с использованием или не использованием трансфертных цен и затратных механизмов;
-выплата нерезидентам дивидендов, роялти, процентов вклады в их уставные капиталы, покупка акций, инвестиции и т.п.

4.Расчет налоговой нагрузки на примере. Каковы будут (и будут ли) потери при отказе от "черных" схем. Когда при этом можно даже сэкономить.

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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 19 17:20:27 2011
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:20:27 -0500
Subject: Question about (cypher)Twitter
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwBkc_AvJnkGjP7=gO+dZ-4MaJFhUJ9ZN6YoXC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT138-w60BE3F89F25C5F55D48D5F9BF20@phx.gbl>,<AANLkTimwBkc_AvJnkGjP7=gO+dZ-4MaJFhUJ9ZN6YoXC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT138-w5266D7253A51E94565E13C9BF90@phx.gbl>

Cool.
It'll be a bit before I can figure out whether this does what I'm looking
for.
Basically, the application is a deniable subscription to certain twitter
feeds.

In any event, looks interesting.
-TD

> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:09:15 +1100
> Subject: Re: Question about (cypher)Twitter
> From: michaelslists at gmail.com
> To: camera_lumina at hotmail.com
> CC: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > OK, those remaining aged and frail cypherpunks can bash me for not being
> > current...
> >
> > But are there TOR or other-based services that can (kinda) anonymize (for
> > instance) twitter subscriptions?
>
> <http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/> ?
>
> --
> silky
>
> http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/  (Noon Silk) | http://www.mirios.com.au:8081
>
>
> "Every morning when I wake up, I experience an exquisite joy  the joy
> of being this signature."




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 19 17:26:31 2011
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:26:31 -0500
Subject: Question about (cypher)Twitter
In-Reply-To: <1295075590.15872.5.camel@afterburner>
References: <SNT138-w60BE3F89F25C5F55D48D5F9BF20@phx.gbl>,<1295075590.15872.5.camel@afterburner>
Message-ID: <SNT138-w17B826ED1F6BE66AF5B9109BF90@phx.gbl>

Possibly this answers it. But it would require being able to send that RSS
feed into the TOR cloud, which I will admit to not knowing if such is possible
with minimal ScriptFu.

Basically, what I'm wondering is, if someone gets ahold of a twitter
distribution list, is it possible to create enough of a cloud so as to remove
the possibility of authorities coming to visit the subscriber?

-TD

> Subject: Re: Question about (cypher)Twitter
> From: skquinn at speakeasy.net
> To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 01:13:10 -0600
>
> On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 21:47 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
> > OK, those remaining aged and frail cypherpunks can bash me for not being
> > current...
> >
> > But are there TOR or other-based services that can (kinda) anonymize (for
> > instance) twitter subscriptions?
>
> Twitter is accessible via Tor; they have done nothing to block it. Or am
> I misunderstanding your question?
>
> Unless you plan to follow protected accounts, you don't need to actually
> sign up for a Twitter account to keep up with anyone. Each Twitter
> account has an RSS feed for that account, which does not need
> authentication with a Twitter account to access.
>
> Interesting note: not that long ago, Twitter actually used your
> authentication info against you and obstructed attempts to read single
> tweets from accounts that had you blocked, and for a while even the
> entire feed of accounts blocking you. They have since given up their
> pathetic attempt to imitate Facebook's (dangerously overpowered, IMO)
> block function.
>
> --
> Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn at speakeasy.net>




From basile at opensource.dyc.edu  Wed Jan 19 18:04:07 2011
From: basile at opensource.dyc.edu (Anthony G. Basile)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:04:07 -0500
Subject: tor-ramdisk 20110119 released
Message-ID: <mailman.2774.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hi everyone

I want to announce to the list that a new release of tor-ramdisk is out.
Tor-ramdisk is an i686, x86_64 or MIPS uClibc-based micro Linux
distribution whose only purpose is to host a Tor server in an
environment that maximizes security and privacy. Security is enhanced by
hardening the kernel and binaries, and privacy is enhanced by forcing
logging to be off at all levels so that even the Tor operator only has
access to minimal information. Finally, since everything runs in
ephemeral memory, no information survives a reboot, except for the Tor
configuration file and the private RSA key, which may be
exported/imported by FTP or SCP.

Changelog:

This release addresses a heap overflow in tor which allows arbitrary
remote code execution. Tor was bumped to version 0.2.1.29 to address
CVE-2011-0427. Busybox was bumped to... 1.18.2 and the kernel to
2.6.32.28 plus Gentoo's hardened-patches-2.6.32-37.extras.


i686:
Homepage: http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-ramdisk
Download: http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-ramdisk-downloads

x86_64:
Homepage: http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-x86_64-ramdisk
Download: http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-x86_64-ramdisk-downloads

MIPS:
Homepage: http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-mips-ramdisk
Download: http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-mips-ramdisk-downloads



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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Jan 19 12:47:13 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:47:13 +0100
Subject: <nettime> monitoring and surveillance
Message-ID: <20110119204713.GW23560@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Mladen Gladic <mladen.gladic at gmail.com> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Jan 19 12:49:26 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:49:26 +0100
Subject: <nettime> monitoring and surveillance
Message-ID: <20110119204926.GX23560@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from John Young <cryptome at earthlink.net> -----


From hyuy at rada.ua  Wed Jan 19 14:54:33 2011
From: hyuy at rada.ua (=?koi8-r?B?7s/X2cUg08jFzdkgz8LOwczB?=)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:54:33 +0200
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?+sHLz87O2cUg09DP08/C2SDTzsnWxc7JxSDOwczPx8/Xz8ogzsHH0tXa?=
	=?koi8-r?B?y8k=?=
Message-ID: <000d01cbb82b$d6661570$6400a8c0@hyuy>

28 Января 2011г.
(Ч95) 4Ч-5Ч/095 <<<>>> 4Ч5З266

Налоговое планирование в условиях кризиса: как жить без обналички и фирм-однодневок и не разориться
 

1.Что такое "черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы, обналичка, фирма-однодневка ("помойка", "недобросовестный" или "проблемный" налогоплательщик, "фонарь" и т.п.).Как выявить внешнего контрагента-однодневку и исключить отношения с ним.

2.Обналичивание. Для чего используется:
-"черная" зарплата и доходы собственников бизнеса;
-оплата расходов, которые не хочется проводить официально;
-незаконная деятельность (взятки, откаты, финансирование политической деятельности┘);

Законные альтернативы (только для законных целей!):
-зарплата и дивиденды на спецрежимах, выплата процентов, компенсаций, аренда, покупка у физлиц ТМЦ, ИП на ЕНВД или УСН (в т.ч. на патенте) √ как использовать;
-дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве ИП √ легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Текущая ситуация с обложением таких доходов НДФЛ. Получение наличных по чеку на расходы ИП, через личные (карточные) счета, по сделкам с другими ИП, занимающимися розницей, общепитом, услугами населению и т.п.;
-зарплата в большом размере - нулевая ставка страховых взносов;
-платежи от нерезидентов на карты, основания. Аутстафинг от нерезидента;
-перевод расходов в безналичную форму. Представительские расходы.

3.Однодневки. Для чего используются:
-псевдооптимизация НДС и налога на прибыль в отдельных сделках или всей деятельности;
--"серый импорт";
--"серая конвертация";
--незаконная деятельность.

Законные альтернативы однодневкам (только для законных целей!):
-затратные механизмы или трансфертное ценообразование с участием низконалоговых субъектов;
-выявление (создание) покупателей (заказчиков), не нуждающихся в вычете НДС, разделение финансовых потоков "с НДС" и "без НДС";
-простое товарищество с участием субъектов УСН и/или нерезидентов, работа по агентским или комиссионным договорам с ними;
-прямой импорт с использованием или не использованием трансфертных цен и затратных механизмов;
-выплата нерезидентам дивидендов, роялти, процентов вклады в их уставные капиталы, покупка акций, инвестиции и т.п.

4.Расчет налоговой нагрузки на примере. Каковы будут (и будут ли) потери при отказе от "черных" схем. Когда при этом можно даже сэкономить.

Стоимость участия в семинаре 7 900 рублей

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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Jan 19 23:48:50 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:48:50 +0100
Subject: tor-ramdisk 20110119 released
Message-ID: <20110120074850.GC23560@leitl.org>

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From coderman at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 09:10:23 2011
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:10:23 -0800
Subject: Alleged Wikileaks Use of P2P to Siphon Documents
In-Reply-To: <E1PfwZc-0006ev-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <20110120150527.GT23560@leitl.org> 
  <E1PfwZc-0006ev-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim=EosrFUp4UEJjq9ZYqL98qyxVSHKEBMJLuRdx@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:37 AM, John Young <jya at pipeline.com> wrote:
> Is the report below both technologically and legally credible ... ?

in the past i've used p2p networks along with traditional search
engines to locate documents of interest. in particular, PDF and DOC
formats, especially related to "Confidential Information" and court
filings.

i won't go into details, but suffice to say this is very effective if
pursued as a consistent strategy over a modest time period. ("it only
takes one...").  and if they've used "redaction" to white-on-white the
sensitive bits it's even easier to pull out the high value details
within.  preaching to the choir here,


i was more interested in critical infrastructure at the time, rather
than political or other cruft. yet the principal is the same for WL or
whoever.




From jya at pipeline.com  Thu Jan 20 07:37:20 2011
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:37:20 -0500
Subject: Alleged Wikileaks Use of P2P to Siphon Documents
In-Reply-To: <20110120150527.GT23560@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <E1PfwZc-0006ev-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

Is the report below both technologically and legally credible or just
typical cybersecrurity farting for news coverage? What are the P2P 
Hackers saying about it? 

Recall Assange claimed to have a million files on hand at the start of 
Wikileaks and says WL continued to received millions more until recently. 

To be sure, WL always maximizes counts of whatever it claims to have, 
the cables amounting to some 261M _words_ of which a 1% have been 
made public although the statistically insignificant percentage is never 
farted.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-20/wikileaks-may-have-exploited-music
-photo-networks-to-get-classified-data.html

Snippet:

WikiLeaks, condemned by the U.S. government for posting secret data leaked 
by insiders, may have used music- and photo-sharing networks to obtain and 
publish classified documents, according to a computer security firm.

Tiversa Inc., a company based in Cranberry Township, Pennsylvania, has 
evidence that WikiLeaks, which has said it doesnt know who provides it with 
information, may seek out secret data itself, using so-called
"peer-to-peer" networks, 
Chief Executive Officer Robert Boback claimed. He said the government is 
examining evidence that Tiversa has turned over.

The company, which has done investigative searches on behalf of U.S. agencies 
including the FBI, said it discovered that computers in Sweden were
trolling through 
hard drives accessed from popular peer-to-peer networks such as LimeWire and 
Kazaa. The same information obtained in those searches later appeared on 
WikiLeaks, Boback said. WikiLeaks bases its most important servers in Sweden. 

End snippet.




From michaelslists at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 18:07:43 2011
From: michaelslists at gmail.com (silky)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:07:43 +1100
Subject: Question about (cypher)Twitter
In-Reply-To: <SNT138-w17B826ED1F6BE66AF5B9109BF90@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT138-w60BE3F89F25C5F55D48D5F9BF20@phx.gbl> 
  <1295075590.15872.5.camel@afterburner> 
  <SNT138-w17B826ED1F6BE66AF5B9109BF90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinap=tLe9aOecEiJ7b+4M=V_dfJR37TSFaUdNR+@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Tyler Durden
<camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Possibly this answers it. But it would require being able to send that RSS
> feed into the TOR cloud, which I will admit to not knowing if such is possible
> with minimal ScriptFu.
>
> Basically, what I'm wondering is, if someone gets ahold of a twitter
> distribution list, is it possible to create enough of a cloud so as to remove
> the possibility of authorities coming to visit the subscriber?

I think this is trivially possible with, well, just the twitter rss
feeds. But, with yahoo pipes you make *them* follow the rss feeds, and
you watch the output of that. In that way, you aren't directly linked
to them, yahoo is, and they'd need to follow the pipe and see who owns
it/visits it. But if you make it public, it's visitable by anyone. And
I don't think yahoo requires any personal info.

Of course, the idea with the pipes is that you could forward the data
around a bit, munge it, mix it in with some other services, perhaps
encrypt or what-not. But I've not gone to town on what is available
with them.

Are you thinking specifically about the request for info on Wikileaks
followers? If you just follow the public RSS of that twitter account
(assuming it is public) surely they don't have any info on you,
because you haven't had to join twitter to do that. I must admit, I
don't have much of an idea of how twitter handles that stuff, as I
haven't used it for a few years.


> -TD

-- 
silky




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From coderman at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 13:29:25 2011
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:29:25 -0800
Subject: Alleged Wikileaks Use of P2P to Siphon Documents
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim=EosrFUp4UEJjq9ZYqL98qyxVSHKEBMJLuRdx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110120150527.GT23560@leitl.org> 
  <E1PfwZc-0006ev-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net> 
  <AANLkTim=EosrFUp4UEJjq9ZYqL98qyxVSHKEBMJLuRdx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinfUYuiJ5JDNHtXNMniYpVvhB2=TUGM6NGwtH-X@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:10 AM, coderman <coderman at gmail.com> wrote:
> ... documents of interest. in particular, PDF and DOC
> formats, ...

what is implied, which i should have stated clearly:

the less popular extensions and mime types (PDF, DOC, XLS, ODT, etc.)
are easy to match and vastly less polluted than the primary media
focused content.




From coderman at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 13:47:39 2011
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:47:39 -0800
Subject: Alleged Wikileaks Use of P2P to Siphon Documents
In-Reply-To: <20110120214357.GR23560@leitl.org>
References: <20110120150527.GT23560@leitl.org> 
  <E1PfwZc-0006ev-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net> 
  <AANLkTim=EosrFUp4UEJjq9ZYqL98qyxVSHKEBMJLuRdx@mail.gmail.com> 
  <AANLkTinfUYuiJ5JDNHtXNMniYpVvhB2=TUGM6NGwtH-X@mail.gmail.com> 
  <20110120214357.GR23560@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=9DX4cqU9tJh0YFtvccasuZhxfahb9J1s=WeMi@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
> ...
> So is this deliberately leaked, or accidentally leaked? Accidentally,
> right?

the vast majority are accidental. the nature of how these incidents
occur, and the user interface design failures which encourage them is
an interesting tale in and of itself... ;)




From coderman at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 15:10:03 2011
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:10:03 -0800
Subject: Alleged Wikileaks Use of P2P to Siphon Documents
In-Reply-To: <E1Pg3NT-0002sY-00@pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <20110120150527.GT23560@leitl.org> 
  <E1PfwZc-0006ev-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net> 
  <AANLkTim=EosrFUp4UEJjq9ZYqL98qyxVSHKEBMJLuRdx@mail.gmail.com> 
  <AANLkTinfUYuiJ5JDNHtXNMniYpVvhB2=TUGM6NGwtH-X@mail.gmail.com> 
  <20110120214357.GR23560@leitl.org> 
  <E1Pg3NT-0002sY-00@pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:53 PM, John Young <jya at pipeline.com> wrote:
> It may be that the cybersec wizard encountered a TLA sting being
> run on P2P...

honeytokens++




From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jan 20 07:05:27 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:05:27 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] what would you like to see most in a p2p
  social 	network?
Message-ID: <20110120150527.GT23560@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Pierre St Juste <ptony82 at gmail.com> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jan 20 07:28:41 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:28:41 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] what would you like to see most in a p2p
  social 	network?
Message-ID: <20110120152840.GW23560@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Pierre St Juste <ptony82 at gmail.com> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jan 20 07:29:41 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:29:41 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] what would you like to see most in a p2p
  social 	network?
Message-ID: <20110120152941.GY23560@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Pierre St Juste <ptony82 at gmail.com> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jan 20 07:30:23 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:30:23 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] How Piracy Will Hyperlocalize with Mesh
  Networks
Message-ID: <20110120153022.GZ23560@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Alexandre Dulaunoy <a at foo.be> -----


From alenlpeacock at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 15:43:23 2011
From: alenlpeacock at gmail.com (Alen Peacock)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:43:23 -0700
Subject: [p2p-hackers] NAT traversal state of the art
Message-ID: <mailman.2775.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

A question for those who've built NAT traversal for their apps in the
past: If you were starting from scratch today, how would you do it? Is
there a library you think has everything you need (libjingle, pjnath,
amicima, socialvpn, etc)? Or would you roll your own, perhaps
implementing ANTS
(http://nattest.net.in.tum.de/pubs/globecom09-draft.pdf) instead of
ICE? What if you need super-high success rates for direct connectivity
(+95%)?

Would you use libutp (https://github.com/bittorrent/libutp) or
libjingle's psuedo-tcp classes, or some other, or just use plain UDP
and manage segmentation/retransmit/reordering yourself?

I know this is a well trodden topic in p2p-hackers, but things change
quickly, and although most of the above have been mentioned in passing
in the past year here, I haven't seen a good drag-down, knock-out,
"Here's the Best Way To Do It" discussion in a while. Any takers?

Alen
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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jan 20 07:52:37 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:52:37 +0100
Subject: Alleged Wikileaks Use of P2P to Siphon Documents
In-Reply-To: <E1PfwZc-0006ev-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <20110120150527.GT23560@leitl.org>
  <E1PfwZc-0006ev-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20110120155237.GB23560@leitl.org>

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:37:20AM -0500, John Young wrote:
> Is the report below both technologically and legally credible or just

Publishing via an anonymous Internet connection directly to P2P
makes sense, and scanning for such information does also make
sense, as you can't notify Wikileaks about a document published
without drawing even more scrutiny to you.

Whether this is happening, or the Tiversa is just being a blowhard
will be difficult to say without further evidence, either from WL
or from Tiversa.

> typical cybersecrurity farting for news coverage? What are the P2P 
> Hackers saying about it? 

P2P hackers (mostly) write code, so I don't think they're privy to this.
I can ask, of course.
 
> Recall Assange claimed to have a million files on hand at the start of 
> Wikileaks and says WL continued to received millions more until recently. 
> 
> To be sure, WL always maximizes counts of whatever it claims to have, 
> the cables amounting to some 261M _words_ of which a 1% have been 
> made public although the statistically insignificant percentage is never 
> farted.
> 
> 
> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-20/wikileaks-may-have-exploited-music
> -photo-networks-to-get-classified-data.html
> 
> Snippet:
> 
> WikiLeaks, condemned by the U.S. government for posting secret data leaked 
> by insiders, may have used music- and photo-sharing networks to obtain and 
> publish classified documents, according to a computer security firm.
> 
> Tiversa Inc., a company based in Cranberry Township, Pennsylvania, has 
> evidence that WikiLeaks, which has said it doesn?t know who provides it with 
> information, may seek out secret data itself, using so-called
> "peer-to-peer" networks, 
> Chief Executive Officer Robert Boback claimed. He said the government is 
> examining evidence that Tiversa has turned over.
> 
> The company, which has done investigative searches on behalf of U.S. agencies 
> including the FBI, said it discovered that computers in Sweden were
> trolling through 
> hard drives accessed from popular peer-to-peer networks such as LimeWire and 
> Kazaa. The same information obtained in those searches later appeared on 
> WikiLeaks, Boback said. WikiLeaks bases its most important servers in Sweden. 
> 
> End snippet.
> 
> 
-- 
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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jan 20 07:58:00 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:58:00 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] what would you like to see most in a p2p
  social 	network?
Message-ID: <20110120155800.GE23560@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Renato Figueiredo <renato at acis.ufl.edu> -----


From jya at pipeline.com  Thu Jan 20 14:53:15 2011
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:53:15 -0500
Subject: Alleged Wikileaks Use of P2P to Siphon Documents
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=9DX4cqU9tJh0YFtvccasuZhxfahb9J1s=WeMi@mail.gmail.c
   om>
References: <20110120214357.GR23560@leitl.org> 
  <20110120150527.GT23560@leitl.org> 
  <E1PfwZc-0006ev-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net> 
  <AANLkTim=EosrFUp4UEJjq9ZYqL98qyxVSHKEBMJLuRdx@mail.gmail.com> 
  <AANLkTinfUYuiJ5JDNHtXNMniYpVvhB2=TUGM6NGwtH-X@mail.gmail.com> 
  <20110120214357.GR23560@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <E1Pg3NT-0002sY-00@pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

It may be that the cybersec wizard encountered a TLA sting being
run on P2P -- those exact six IP addresses among tens of thousands, 
each wearing a sign that says Wikileaks right here, log us.

Someone writes that the USG has been seeding P2P with bogus files 
for quite a while in order to trace their arranged discovery and 
appearance elsewhere. Following the lead and using the means
and methoids of the copyright pig kissers.

To be sure that is what the USG and its contractors would claim to 
cover their ineptitude. Meanwhile, using old style bribing, burgling, 
paying lawyers and journalists and whistleblowers and hackers and 
goofy soldiers to entrap would-be info liberators, then turning those
captured into pig kissers.

No disrespect to pig kissers, they happily admit to doing whatever
is necessary to outwit professionals. 




From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jan 20 13:43:58 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:43:58 +0100
Subject: Alleged Wikileaks Use of P2P to Siphon Documents
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinfUYuiJ5JDNHtXNMniYpVvhB2=TUGM6NGwtH-X@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110120150527.GT23560@leitl.org>
  <E1PfwZc-0006ev-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
  <AANLkTim=EosrFUp4UEJjq9ZYqL98qyxVSHKEBMJLuRdx@mail.gmail.com>
  <AANLkTinfUYuiJ5JDNHtXNMniYpVvhB2=TUGM6NGwtH-X@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110120214357.GR23560@leitl.org>

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 01:29:25PM -0800, coderman wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:10 AM, coderman <coderman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > ... documents of interest. in particular, PDF and DOC
> > formats, ...
> 
> what is implied, which i should have stated clearly:
> 
> the less popular extensions and mime types (PDF, DOC, XLS, ODT, etc.)
> are easy to match and vastly less polluted than the primary media
> focused content.

So is this deliberately leaked, or accidentally leaked? Accidentally,
right?

-- 
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______________________________________________________________
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From samuel.rose at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 04:48:44 2011
From: samuel.rose at gmail.com (Samuel Rose)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:48:44 -0500
Subject: [P2P-F] Bitcoin donation
Message-ID: <mailman.2776.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, I get it, so there are people out there actually wanting to 'buy'
> bitcoins, and I wasn't aware of that, and obviously, this needs to be bought
> and expressed by another existing currency, hence the 'value'
>

Yes, from what I can tell, *now* the best way to get bitcoins is to
buy them. However, it seems based on reading online discussions that
in the earliest days of bitcoin activity, that it was a bit easier to
contribute your personal computer power to the network and "generate"
coins. Now, it the calculations are over a year for a typical laptop
(ref: http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php )

A whole history of trading can be  viewed here: https://mtgox.com/trade/history

Again, I think there is only one real issue with bitcoin: that it is a
homogenous currency. I am looking at the idea of soliciting donations
towards extending bitcoin software so that users may either issue new
currency (with new rules), or participate in existing currencies all
from the same protocol/software.


> I 'got' it <g>
>
> By the way, alt.currency/credit commons expert Thomas Greco is in Chiang
> Mai!
>
>
> Michel
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com> wrote:
>>
>> Basically Michel, the value of any commodity is determined by whether
>> people believe it is of value.
>> The fact that you can buy and sell something establishes a base-line value
>> for it. The value is a balance between how much of the stuff is available,
>> and how much demand there is for it from potential buyers. Economists called
>> it the law of supply and demand.
>> In the case of bitcoin, we are looking at a commodity (exchangeable
>> electronic "coins") that is scarce - there are only so many coins in
>> existence, and making more of them is a slow, difficult prcess - and for
>> which there is a demand. People are looking around for some kind of means of
>> exchange that can de-link them from the official currencies. Potentially, we
>> have a great demand for bitcoins ... if the idea of using them as a means of
>> payment ever really catches on. Even as it is, there is enough of a demand
>> for bitcoins to "feel their scarcity", and thus, to make them valuable. A
>> price is being set for bitcoins in exchange services. The price is entirely
>> dependent on how badly people want bitcoins, and it seems that the price is
>> on the upswing.
>> This is really the same mechanism as with any kind of money. As long as
>> there are people who want to use it to conduct their business (or to put
>> away for future use), and as long as there is a restricted amount of it,
>> money can be said to have value.
>> The value of any commodity or any kind of money will go up if 1) more
>> people want it or 2) some of it is destroyed or withdrawn from circulation,
>> making it more scarce.
>> Similarly, the value of any commodity or any kind of money will go down if
>> 1) less people want it or 2) more of it is put into circulation, making it
>> comparatively more abundant.
>
>
>>
>> That is the mechanism that determines the value of money - ANY kind of
>> money.
>> Sepp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "The individual is supreme and finds the way through intuition"
>> http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/
>> http://www.laleva.org
>> http://blog.hasslberger.com/
>> http://www.facebook.com/hasslberger
>> http://twitter.com/healthsupreme
>> .
>> On Jan 19, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>
>> there are still basic aspects of bitcoin I don't understand
>>
>> how can a self-invented coin have any value at all,
>>
>> who determines that value?
>>
>> what makes people accept that it has the value it says
>>
>> which bank is willing to give me other types of money in exchange for that
>> value?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Although I have misgivings about the stability of bitcoin, I support
>>> > its
>>> > use. (It's the only thing out there that is completely de-linked from
>>> > official currencies and from things like precious metals, that is
>>> > workable
>>> > for more than just local exchange).
>>> > To explain my perplexity on bitcoin stability, I quote from the site
>>> > cyclonite linked:
>>> > "How much is a Bitcoin worth?
>>> >
>>> > More all the time...
>>> >
>>> > As you can see, over a 4 week period, recently...
>>> >
>>> > The value of B `8?1.00B BTC (one Bitcoin), went from B US$0.06B B to
>>> > B US$0.50B B ...within only about 4 weeks. B  Yes... B  That was an 833%
>>> > increase
>>> > in it's value. B  Wow."
>>> > (http://www.bitcoinme.com/)
>>> > For me, a currency that is to be widely used, should be stable. Stable
>>> > means
>>> > it doesn't go down in value, but it also doesn't go up in value
>>> > excessively.
>>> > It should be roughly keeping its value. Going up as much as bitcoin
>>> > evidently does, is a form of instability that will bring disturbance to
>>> > a
>>> > marketplace using bitcoin as its means of exchange.
>>>
>>> bitcoin does seem to have stabilized after that initial jump. I think
>>> the initial jump was due to the network effect of how fast the current
>>> group of adopters jumped on board and started using bitcoin.
>>>
>>> Still, this is a of course a valid point. Although, the value increase
>>> seems to have been mostly beneficial to the early adopters. But, I
>>> could see how if the system stabilized, then a new wave of adopters
>>> jumped on board, it could suddenly become very unbalanced for the
>>> initial participants if various scenarios unfold.
>>>
>>> Although, I am not sure *if* the bitcoin system would automatically
>>> inflate in an exponential way each time a new wave of participants
>>> joins the system.
>>>
>>> One real potential problem is making sure that "honest nodes" control
>>> the majority of CPU power. So far, so good. It won't be easy for
>>> anyone to spoof this system. But, if a group of people wants to
>>> intentionally attack the system, there could be problems. Bitcoin is a
>>> good candidate for complex systems models as a means to put more
>>> foresight into stability, health, etc
>>>
>>> > This instability could and should be remedied by adjusting the target
>>> > total
>>> > of bitcoin creation with an algorithm that takes into account the
>>> > number of
>>> > active bitcoin users. As the number of users increases, the total
>>> > target
>>> > amount of bitcoins to be created (which currently is fixed at
>>> > 21,000,000)
>>> > should increase, slowly creeping up to accomodate the demand of new
>>> > users
>>> > for bitcoins, in a way to keep the value of one single coin roughly
>>> > stable.
>>> > I do not know whether the creators of bitcoin would be willing to do
>>> > this.
>>> > For me, such an adjustment will be necessary to take bitcoin from
>>> > experimental status to widely-used alternative means of payment status.
>>>
>>> Sepp, this is a great point.
>>>
>>> One of the nice things about bitcoin is that it is F/LOSS, so it is
>>> ultimately fork-able. If bad decisions are made about the growth, the
>>> project could be forked, a different governance scheme could be
>>> implemented, etc.
>>>
>>> I don't yet know enough about bitcoin to be 100% sure, but the system
>>> at least for the time being does seem to have stabilized (it could
>>> simply mean that participation has stabilized).
>>>
>>> Bit coin claims:
>>>
>>> "Once a predetermined number of coins have entered
>>> circulation, the incentive can transition entirely to transaction fees
>>> and be completely inflation
>>> free."
>>>
>>> And yes Michel, I will post this on the blog and in wiki :)
>>>
>>>
>>> > Kind regards
>>> > Sepp
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:44 AM, Samuel Rose wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Cyclonite, personally I am ready to work with bitcoin today, although
>>> > the rest of p2pf may not be, which I'll respect
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Cyclonite <cyclonite at safe-mail.net>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Guys,
>>> >
>>> > I think there is some kind of misunderstanding here, you do not need to
>>> > manually generate any kind of public/private keys as with OpenPGP.
>>> >
>>> > You can even sign up in a website as mybitcoin.com and start making or
>>> > receiving donations.
>>> >
>>> > In my opinion the best available info for beginners is
>>> > http://bitcoinme.com.
>>> > Please take a look and you will get your doubts clear.
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> >
>>> > Cyclonite.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > Secure Email contact: https://privacybox.de/cyclonite.msg
>>> >
>>> > Bitcoin donations jar: 16FVZweaaJLvhAy91oDugqaf84kXiDJ9PG
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>> >
>>> > From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > To: james burke <lifesized at gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > Cc: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>, cyclonite at safe-mail.net,
>>> > p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>, Sepp Hasslberger
>>> > <sepp at lastrega.com>, Georg Pleger <g.pleger at yahoo.de>
>>> >
>>> > Subject: Re: Bitcoin donation
>>> >
>>> > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:30:23 -0500
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:54 AM, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Michel,
>>> >
>>> > Yes, I do have a public key, but yet again,
>>> >
>>> > another nice idea with terrible interaction design and userbility
>>> >
>>> > - most people have no clue about public private keys, so this keeps it
>>> > a
>>> >
>>> > geek thing
>>> >
>>> > I agree, although as far as I can see, the application at least takes
>>> >
>>> > care of this for the user. Still, your point is valid in that some
>>> >
>>> > people may not understand what is happening.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Most of the users of bitcoin now are early adopters, however. So, if
>>> >
>>> > p2pf did support donation via bitcoin, it would be joining an ecology
>>> >
>>> > of early adopters, and would likely only receive donation from those
>>> >
>>> > early adopters.
>>> >
>>> > - the actual app upon launch is unclear. Where to click, what to
>>> > do,gah!
>>> >
>>> > I can't really support this even if it is a p2p solution.
>>> >
>>> > James
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Seems reasonable. If p2pf changes it's mind, I'm willing to
>>> >
>>> > participate in any experiments with bitcoin
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Michel Bauwens
>>> > <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > James,
>>> >
>>> > do you have a public key?
>>> >
>>> > Michel
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > This is a p2p application, so we would need to post your's or James's
>>> >
>>> > public key, and people who want to donate bitcoins would need then
>>> >
>>> > send you the bitcoins by downloading the bitcoin application and
>>> >
>>> > sending it to you
>>> >
>>> > quote:
>>> >
>>> > "Bitcoin utilizes public/private key digital signatures (ECDSA). A
>>> >
>>> > coin has its owner's public key on it. When a coin is transferred from
>>> >
>>> > user A to user B, A adds Bbs public key to the coin and signs it with
>>> >
>>> > his own private key. Now B owns the coin and can transfer it further.
>>> >
>>> > To prevent A from transferring the already used coin to another user
>>> >
>>> > C, a public list of all the previous transactions is collectively
>>> >
>>> > maintained by the network of Bitcoin nodes, and before each
>>> >
>>> > transaction the coinbs unusedness will be checked."
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Michel Bauwens
>>> >
>>> > <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Sam, can you help us install it on the wiki and blog?
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I've downloaded and installed and am game to try with p2pf network
>>> >
>>> > folks.
>>> >
>>> > This could actually be really useful for lots of local economy efforts
>>> >
>>> > too.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Michel Bauwens
>>> >
>>> > <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Dear,
>>> >
>>> > thanks a lot for this email,
>>> >
>>> > it seems that it is worthwhile for us to experiment with this, but I
>>> >
>>> > will
>>> >
>>> > forward this to James Burke for possible implementation
>>> >
>>> > James, I think we should do this, what doB  you think?
>>> >
>>> > Michel
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:42 PM, <cyclonite at safe-mail.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> >
>>> > Hash: SHA1
>>> >
>>> > Dear friends,
>>> >
>>> > I have been looking in your site for any reference to Bitcoin for
>>> >
>>> > making a
>>> >
>>> > small donation.
>>> >
>>> > As B you B probably B know, B Bitcoin B (bitcoin.org) B is B a B new kind
>>> >
>>> > of a
>>> >
>>> > P2P
>>> >
>>> > crypto-currency in which the general public can B make donations,
>>> >
>>> > macro
>>> >
>>> > B or
>>> >
>>> > micropayments B  in B a B secure B and B  anonymous B way B usually
>>> >
>>> > B without
>>> >
>>> > B any
>>> >
>>> > transaction fee involved.
>>> >
>>> > You can change Bitcoins for real money (eg: https://mtgox.com) or
>>> >
>>> > purchase
>>> >
>>> > services or goods in an increasing number of sites.
>>> >
>>> > In B order to B receive B donations you B only have B to B publish B one
>>> >
>>> > B of
>>> >
>>> > your
>>> >
>>> > accounts B as generated B by the B bitcoin client B or any specialized
>>> >
>>> > bitcoin
>>> >
>>> > trader (eg: mybitcoin.com).
>>> >
>>> > Currently B some B  projects B as B www.i2p2.de,
>>> >
>>> > B www.torrentservers.net
>>> >
>>> > and
>>> >
>>> > organizations like the EFF are accepting donations.
>>> >
>>> > In B my B opinion B this B kind B of decentralized solution without the
>>> >
>>> > need
>>> >
>>> > to
>>> >
>>> > trust B any B middlemen B is much better than B Paypal, Visa or
>>> >
>>> > Mastercard
>>> >
>>> > for
>>> >
>>> > security-minded people as most of your donors are.
>>> >
>>> > If B you B are B interested in B pushing B Bitcoin forward, B do not
>>> >
>>> > hesitate
>>> >
>>> > to
>>> >
>>> > contact me if you have any doubt.
>>> >
>>> > Yours,
>>> >
>>> > Cyclonite
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Sam Rose
>>> Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation
>>> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
>>> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
>>> skype: samuelrose
>>> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
>>> http://forwardfound.org
>>> http://futureforwardinstitute.org
>>> http://hollymeadcapital.com
>>> http://p2pfoundation.net
>>> http://socialmediaclassroom.com
>>>
>>> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
>>> ambition." - Carl Sagan
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.netB  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>
>> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss:
>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org
>>
>> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens;
>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>
>> Think tank: http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.netB  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>
> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss:
> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org
>
> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens;
> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>
> Think tank: http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
--
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Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation
Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
skype: samuelrose
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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:37:24 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] NAT traversal state of the art
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какие приемы при собеседовании помогут выявить полную профнепригодность кандидатов.

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From gmagius at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 23:29:09 2011
From: gmagius at gmail.com (magius)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 08:29:09 +0100
Subject: [P2P-F] Bitcoin @ EFF
Message-ID: <mailman.2777.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/bitcoin-step-toward-censorship-resistant

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Jan 22 00:35:29 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 09:35:29 +0100
Subject: [P2P-F] Bitcoin @ EFF
Message-ID: <20110122083529.GR23560@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from magius <gmagius at gmail.com> -----


From michi1 at michaelblizek.twilightparadox.com  Sat Jan 22 04:16:48 2011
From: michi1 at michaelblizek.twilightparadox.com (Michael Blizek)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:16:48 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] How Piracy Will Hyperlocalize with Mesh Networks
Message-ID: <mailman.2778.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hi!

On 09:35 Sat 22 Jan     , Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 08:00:45AM +0100, Michael Blizek wrote:
...
> > Besides IPv6 is as broken as IPv4 in meshes. It provides zero security,
> 
> I'm seeing a loophole in IPv6 by way of providing a local /64 which
> is effectively scratch space. This would prepare the way for geographic
> routing when the table space growth goes exponential again.

In how far is this geographic routing supposed to help? Finding routes to the
other end of the mesh which you do not use anyway?

> > privacy and a single high-bandwidth application can slow everything down
> > extremely - and there is close to nothing you can do about this. The only
> > thing IPv6 does slightly better in meshes than IPv4 is automatic address
> 
> Positioning information is a good source of automatic address assignment,
> and there's machinery (DAD) helping you to deal with rare collisions.

Well, let's see which possibilities exist for defining addresses:
1) You have a very small address space and search the network to see if your
   randomly generated address is already in use before you use it.
2) You have a big address space and just generate an address and assume nodody
   else uses it.
3) You use public keys of a public-private key crypto to make sure nobody can
   "take over" somebody else's address.

If IPv6 can not even do 2 without any quirks it has *zero* reason for
existance in mesh networks. Not even "the outside is using IPv6" (they are
 *not*) is an argument, because you usually want to create an encrypted tunnel
to the exit node anyway.

> > assignment - and even this probably is not that hard to do in IPv4 unless you
> > have extreme situations.
> 
> IPv4 is dead, Jim.

IPv4 is *not* dead. Everybody is using it. I do not know a single ISP who
provides it to their customers. Besides IPv6 is close to being the worst you
can do from a privacy point of view. Getting rid of NAT is a very bad idea.
Having the last 64 bits globally unique no matter where you more is very bad
is well. Even privacy extensions (*if* used) are not as good, because addresses
will not get reused. Having the first 64 bits static is even worse. I seriously
doubt that it is not even necessary. Providers start implementing carrier side
NAT and if done right (with UPnP or other means of forwarding ports without
user intervention), this can be a significant privacy gain without any side
effects.

Yes I know how much application can be fingerprinted, but this does not mean
that we should constantly be adding ever more identifying information.

	-Michi
-- 
programing a layer 3+4 network protocol for mesh networks
see http://michaelblizek.twilightparadox.com

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From gmagius at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 11:26:13 2011
From: gmagius at gmail.com (magius)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:26:13 +0100
Subject: [P2P-F] Bitcoin @ EFF
Message-ID: <mailman.2779.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

imho is more interesting this one, although less developped

http://opencoin.org/

2011/1/22 Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>:
> I think Bitcoin is really awesome. I just hope to be able to create a
> way to issue and use new currencies with it in addition to using the
> existing one in the same application.
>
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:29 AM, magius <gmagius at gmail.com> wrote:
>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/bitcoin-step-toward-censorship-resistant
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net
>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Sam Rose
> Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation
> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
> skype: samuelrose
> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
> http://forwardfound.org
> http://futureforwardinstitute.org
> http://hollymeadcapital.com
> http://p2pfoundation.net
> http://socialmediaclassroom.com
>
> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
> ambition." - Carl Sagan
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Jan 23 02:04:08 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:04:08 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] How Piracy Will Hyperlocalize with Mesh
  Networks
Message-ID: <20110123100408.GT23560@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Jan 23 02:27:32 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:27:32 +0100
Subject: [P2P-F] Bitcoin @ EFF
Message-ID: <20110123102732.GY23560@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from magius <gmagius at gmail.com> -----


From rushkoff at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 09:16:31 2011
From: rushkoff at gmail.com (Douglas Rushkoff)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:16:31 -0500
Subject: [P2P-F] Bitcoin @ EFF
Message-ID: <mailman.2780.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Fascinating. Sounds like he got the same attack that Paypal did in the early days, when the banks went after the company for earning its profit on the "float." 

The thing that could bring Bitcoin to its knees in the US is the tax law. Ultimately, the network operator would be responsible for tax reporting when people are making exchanges of value and not using cash. I found all this out while working with the Superfluid guys.  If I administrate trades for you like ebay does, in US currency, I'm not obligated to produce 1099's. If I don't do the value exchange in dollars, I must report the dollar equivalency to the IRS. 

This law has yet to be enforced, but it surely would be if any of these currencies scaled up. 


On Jan 23, 2011, at 11:59 AM, magius wrote:

> Bitcoin and Opencoin are "sons" of David Chaum's Digicash both. Chaum
> is one of the most important cryptographers and freedom fighters in
> the world and invented in the eighties the first digital cash, that
> was refused, attacked and destroyed by credit card companies
> societies, that instead wanted to propagate a model not based on
> anonimity. The big difference between them is that Bitcoin is a
> complete currency system instead Opencoin is the system to make a
> currency (a digital mint). Bitcoin you need to use as-it-is, with
> Opencoin instead you can create your own currency system.
> 
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From gmagius at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 08:59:29 2011
From: gmagius at gmail.com (magius)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:59:29 +0100
Subject: [P2P-F] Bitcoin @ EFF
Message-ID: <mailman.2781.1576008174.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Bitcoin and Opencoin are "sons" of David Chaum's Digicash both. Chaum
is one of the most important cryptographers and freedom fighters in
the world and invented in the eighties the first digital cash, that
was refused, attacked and destroyed by credit card companies
societies, that instead wanted to propagate a model not based on
anonimity. The big difference between them is that Bitcoin is a
complete currency system instead Opencoin is the system to make a
currency (a digital mint). Bitcoin you need to use as-it-is, with
Opencoin instead you can create your own currency system.

_______________________________________________
P2P Foundation - Mailing list
http://www.p2pfoundation.net
https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Jan 23 10:06:07 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:06:07 +0100
Subject: [P2P-F] Bitcoin @ EFF
Message-ID: <20110123180607.GP23560@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from magius <gmagius at gmail.com> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Jan 23 10:06:30 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:06:30 +0100
Subject: [P2P-F] Bitcoin @ EFF
Message-ID: <20110123180630.GQ23560@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Douglas Rushkoff <rushkoff at gmail.com> -----


From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 23 17:50:47 2011
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:50:47 -0500
Subject: Alleged Wikileaks Use of P2P to Siphon Documents
In-Reply-To: <E1Pg3NT-0002sY-00@pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <20110120214357.GR23560@leitl.org>,<20110120150527.GT23560@leitl.org>,<E1PfwZc-0006ev-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>,<AANLkTim=EosrFUp4UEJjq9ZYqL98qyxVSHKEBMJLuRdx@mail.gmail.com>,<AANLkTinfUYuiJ5JDNHtXNMniYpVvhB2=TUGM6NGwtH-X@mail.gmail.com>,<20110120214357.GR23560@leitl.org>,<E1Pg3NT-0002sY-00@pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <SNT138-w15EAAAD789DBBD449255C89BFD0@phx.gbl>

I noticed that certain descriptions of the Wikileaks extraction of P2P files
tried to link this form of extraction to "hacking", particularly as some of
those files were extracted via surreptitious P2P. Of course, this was an
attempt to throw up some dust and create a plausible scenario under which
Wikileaks could be accused of actively obtaining the files. (I've seen some
other attempts to suggest that Wikileaks paid Manning for the files).

Meanwhile, I haven't yet seen an indictment or anything here in the US. Did I
miss something? At this juncture, is it possible that they just can't find
anything convincing enough to indict Assange or Wikileaks with?

I still say hooray for Wikileaks, hooray for Assange. Did he do it for his own
personal glory? Hell yeah, but that just further proves he's the Rock Star(TM)
of the Cypherpunks.
-TD

> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:53:15 -0500
> To: coderman at gmail.com; cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
> From: jya at pipeline.com
> Subject: Re: Alleged Wikileaks Use of P2P to Siphon Documents
>
> It may be that the cybersec wizard encountered a TLA sting being
> run on P2P -- those exact six IP addresses among tens of thousands,
> each wearing a sign that says Wikileaks right here, log us.
>
> Someone writes that the USG has been seeding P2P with bogus files
> for quite a while in order to trace their arranged discovery and
> appearance elsewhere. Following the lead and using the means
> and methoids of the copyright pig kissers.
>
> To be sure that is what the USG and its contractors would claim to
> cover their ineptitude. Meanwhile, using old style bribing, burgling,
> paying lawyers and journalists and whistleblowers and hackers and
> goofy soldiers to entrap would-be info liberators, then turning those
> captured into pig kissers.
>
> No disrespect to pig kissers, they happily admit to doing whatever
> is necessary to outwit professionals.




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 23 18:05:32 2011
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:05:32 -0500
Subject: Question about (cypher)Twitter
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinap=tLe9aOecEiJ7b+4M=V_dfJR37TSFaUdNR+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT138-w60BE3F89F25C5F55D48D5F9BF20@phx.gbl>,<1295075590.15872.5.camel@afterburner>,<SNT138-w17B826ED1F6BE66AF5B9109BF90@phx.gbl>,<AANLkTinap=tLe9aOecEiJ7b+4M=V_dfJR37TSFaUdNR+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT138-w31143F9B101B865C144D019BFD0@phx.gbl>

> Are you thinking specifically about the request for info on Wikileaks
> followers? If you just follow the public RSS of that twitter account
> (assuming it is public) surely they don't have any info on you,
> because you haven't had to join twitter to do that. I must admit, I
> don't have much of an idea of how twitter handles that stuff, as I
> haven't used it for a few years.

> silky

Well, say for instance you're in Iran or Tunisia. You want to keep up with
where protests are occuring or where the JBTs have recently been seen. BUT,
said authorities somehow obtain a list of subscribers to that Twitter feed and
go chase them down. If the tweets can somehow get routed into a TOR-ish cloud
and then pass through some service located therein, it could be made
impossible for the authorities to find where those Tweets are going.

Of course, as twitter is an American company, you could argue that in Iran
they would not be able to get ahold of a such a list. But consider it possible
(through various means) for them to obtain such a list. That list, then,
becomes veritable gold insofar as it lets the authorities know who a large
number of troublemakers are. (Of course, this could never happen in the US
where civil liberties are so highly respected.)

RSS is OK, better than nothing, but in many situations (ie, with dumbphones or
where conditions are rapidly changing), a pull model has some distinct
disadvantages to twitter's push model. Or am I missing something? Seems both
real time as well as anonymity are hard to do in this context. (I'm assuming
that if a twitfeed is sent to an RSS-iator, then authorities could see that
and then find who is subscribing to the RSS.)

-TD




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3. Законные альтернативы обналичиванию (только для законных целей!):
 * ИП на ЕНВД или УСН (в т.ч. на патенте) – как использовать. Договоры с ИП: возмездного оказания услуг, выполнения работ, агентский, транспортные услуги, механизм трансфертных цен, штрафные санкции, аренда и пр.,
 * дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве ИП – легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Текущая ситуация с обложением таких доходов НДФЛ. Получение наличных по чеку на расходы ИП, через личные (карточные) счета, по сделкам с другими ИП, занимающимися розницей, общепитом, услугами населению и т.п. Выбор банков,
 * Аутсорсинг и аутстаффинг (предоставление персонала), в т.ч. использование филиалов общественных организаций инвалидов и их фирм. Центры обслуживания (Кадровые центры). Когда применение аутстаффинга может быть оправдано. Рекомендации по выбору договорных форм для разных категорий персонала. Риски, нюансы, практика внедрения и новая судебная практика. Частые ошибки,
 * дивиденды от субъектов спецрежимов – замена выплаты зарплате на "упрощенке"? Нюансы, рекомендации. Выплата квартальных дивидендов ежемесячно частями. Выплаты из прибыли в АО, ООО, производственном кооперативе ("народном предприятии"), офшоре,
 * выплата процентов, 
 * выплата компенсаций задержку зарплаты, использование личного имущества и др.,
 * аренда имущества у физлиц или закупка у них ТМЦ, 
 * платежи от компаний-нерезидентов на корпоративные (офшорные) или личные пластиковые карты иностранных банков. Основания - зарплата, гонорары и иные легальные доходы от нерезидента. Предоставление от нерезидента высшего управленческого персонала, использование в строительстве;
 * суточные,
 * зарплата в большом размере – нулевая ставка страховых взносов;
 * в каком случае выплата зарплаты на спецрежимах сохраняет свою актуальность;
 * перевод расходов в безналичную форму. Представительские расходы.
Расчеты эффективности по рассмотренным вариантам.

4. Условия применения всех налоговых схем: Непритворный характер заключаемых сделок. Экономическая целесообразность расходов ("деловая цель", "легенда", отсутствие дублирующихся функций). Грамотное обоснование цен. Отсутствие "явных признаков налоговой схемы". Неаффилированность, прямые и косвенные признаки аффилированности, ее негативные последствия и когда она допустима; "искусственное дробление бизнеса с целью уклонения от уплаты налогов" (подход "как к ЮКОСу"); "деловые цели", обосновывающие деление бизнеса. Самостоятельность низконалоговых субъектов.

5. Как компенсировать "выпадение" отчислений в Пенсионный фонд на накопительную часть пенсии, в ФСС и ФОМС при применении налоговых схем, не предусматривающих выплату зарплаты.

6. Способы подтверждения источников крупных расходов физлиц и когда это необходимо.

2 день. Альтернативные схемы в противовес однодневкам ,"черным", "серым" схемам   для оптимизации налогов (НДС, Налог на прибыль)

7. Однодневки. Для чего используются:
 * псевдооптимизация НДС и налога на прибыль в отдельных сделках или всей деятельности;
 * "серый импорт";
 * "серая конвертация";
 * незаконная деятельность.

8. "Серые" (полулегальные) альтернативы однодневкам: как нельзя "оптимизировать"! Фирмы-"прокладки", контактирующие с недобросовестными налогоплательщиками ("белая" - "серая" - "черная" фирмы).

9. Законные альтернативы однодневкам (только для законных целей!). "Белые" схемы планирования налога на прибыль и НДС.

Низконалоговые субъекты:
 * субъекты специальных налоговых режимов – ЕНВД и УСН, в т.ч. патентная система, а также субъекты УСН из "низконалоговых" регионов, где введена минимальная ставка единого налога при объекте "доходы минус расходы" (5%) на все или почти на все виды деятельности, а также простое товарищество с их участием,
 * зарубежные офшоры или связанные с ними компании-нерезиденты из респектабельных юрисдикций,
 * экзотические варианты: ИП на общей системе налогообложения, физлица (при условии несистематичности извлечения дохода), "инвалидные" структуры, убыточные предприятия и фирмы, имеющие переплату НДС,

Нюансы и цели применения. Принципиальная невозможность экономии НДС "белыми" схемами и случаи, когда это все же возможно.
Выявление (создание) покупателей (заказчиков), не нуждающихся в вычете НДС, разделение финансовых потоков "с НДС" и "без НДС". Использование ИП на ЕНВД с уплатой символического налога (маленький торговый зал, торговое место, развозная торговля). Нюансы. Ограничение использования: покупатели, не нуждающиеся в вычете НДС. Риски, связанные определением розничной торговли по ГК. Экономия НДС в производстве, выполнении работ, оказании услуг через разделение финансовых потоков "с НДС" и "без НДС".
Способы переноса налогооблагаемой базы по налогу на прибыль на низконалоговых субъектов. Трансфертное ценообразование. "Затратные механизмы":

 * нефиктивные услуги, работы,
 * выплата процентов по долговым обязательствам. Включение процентов в расходы в любом размере,
 * платежи за использование и обслуживание объектов основных средств и нематериальных активов, в т.ч. франчайзинговые,
 * штрафные санкции, возмещение убытков, включая демередж и прочий простой,
 * платежи за увеличенный срок и/или объем гарантийных обязательств,
 * плата за залог или поручительство, делькредере.

Простое товарищество субъектов упрощенной системы налогообложения, в т.ч. из "низконалоговых" регионов. Нужно или нет платить НДС? Перенос прибыли товарищества на низконалоговых субъектов (УСН 6%, ЕНВД, офшор, физлицо и др.). Отсрочка уплаты налога при непередаче прибыли на счета товарищей. Возможен ли обход с помощью простого товарищества правил налогового учета (гл. 25 НК) и ограничений гл. 26.2 НК РФ в части перечня затрат?

Иностранные низконалоговые компании. Их использование при проведении внутрироссийских операций для оптимизации налога на прибыль: традиционные (торговля, проценты, дивиденды, роялти, услуги, и т.п.) и нетрадиционные схемы (простое товарищество, работа по агентским или комиссионным договорам с нерезидентами). Выбор низконалоговых юрисдикций.

10. Законные альтернативы "серому импорту" и "серой конвертации":
 * прямой импорт с использованием или не использованием трансфертных цен и затратных механизмов;
 * выплата нерезидентам дивидендов, роялти, процентов вклады в их уставные капиталы, покупка акций, инвестиции и т.п.

11. Расчет налоговой нагрузки на примере. Каковы будут (и будут ли) потери при отказе от "черных" схем. Когда при этом можно даже сэкономить.

12. Как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать налоги с учетом  изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменения. Обзор изменений налогового законодательства в 2011 г., как они повлияли на налоговые схемы. Ответы на вопросы. По желанию и возможности  – индивидуальное экспресс-моделирование схем налогового планирования для компаний-участниц семинара.


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From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Jan 23 23:40:22 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:40:22 +0100
Subject: Alleged Wikileaks Use of P2P to Siphon Documents
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On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 08:50:47PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:

> Meanwhile, I haven't yet seen an indictment or anything here in the US. Did I
> miss something? At this juncture, is it possible that they just can't find
> anything convincing enough to indict Assange or Wikileaks with?

In order to be able to maintain a straight face they'll probably fabricate
something in Australia (the axis UKUSAOz works very well in intelligence, so
why not elsewhere). The Swedes and U.K. are doing a fine job of keeping
Julian pinned, until New! Dramatic! accusations come forth. Sooner
or later the public attention will wane, at which point you can whisk
him away and torture at leisure.
 
> I still say hooray for Wikileaks, hooray for Assange. Did he do it for his own
> personal glory? Hell yeah, but that just further proves he's the Rock Star(TM)
> of the Cypherpunks.

-- 
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09 Февраля

Тема: ПРИЗНАКИ НЕДОБРОСОВЕСТНЫХ ПОСТАВЩИКОВ. СПОСОБЫ ПРОТИВОДЕЙСТВИЯ ПРИДИРКАМ НАЛОГОВОЙ И СНИЖЕНИЕ НАЛОГОВОЙ НАГРУЗКИ ПО НДС

   +7 Московский код: ЧЧ_539/68 <> Ч45_Ч0_95

Цель обучения: Обучающий курс даст слушателям ответ на то, как правильно заключать договоры и что делать, если он ошибся, но при этом хотел бы сохранить свои налоговые обязательства без изменений. Слушатели будут точно знать, что и как отвечать налоговой инспекции в случае проверки таких контрагентов. Поймут, как можно уйти от НДС без последствий.

В период кризисных явлений в экономике, и как следствие острой нужды государства в пополнении бюджета, ФНС ужесточила требования к проверкам - повысила границу результативности проверок до миллиона рублей (приказ ФНС №409), а также предложила идти простым путем – находить среди контрагентов налогоплательщика компании, которые подпадают под признаки недобросовестных и лишать налогоплательщика налоговых льгот полученных в результате взаимодействия с такими организациями (Приказ ФНС России №ММ-3-2/467@).

Практика свидетельствует, что практически все проверки налогоплательщиков применяющих ОСН затрагивают данный вопрос с негативными для налогоплательщика последствиями. При этом налоговый орган исключает из состава затрат НП и вычетов по НДС суммы по контрагентам, которые, например, просто не отвечают на запрос в рамках встречных проверок, либо не заплатили налоги и т.п. Подчас очень тяжело отстоять свою правоту в спорах с налоговым органом.

Курс посвящен вопросу защиты налогоплательщика, призван помочь ему как не погрязнуть в тотальных проверках своих контрагентов, так и впоследствии защитить свои права по взаимоотношениям я такими компаниями.

На Обучении не только будут показаны способы противодействия придиркам налоговой, но и будут разобраны способы заключения договоров, которые в принципе исключают возможность признания лица недобросовестным, а также законные способы снижение налоговой нагрузки по НДС в том случае, если налогоплательщик в этом заинтересован.

Программа:
1. Методические указания Минфина о назначении выездных налоговых проверок (включая Приказ ФНС от 22.09.10 N ММB-7-2/461@, Приказ УФНС по г. Москве от 1 сентября 2008 г №409 и др.)

2. Методические указания Минфина по поиску недобросовестных контрагентов. Рассмотрение мер, которые планирует принять Минфин, Минюст по борьбе с однодневками. 

3. Основания признания налоговой выгоды необоснованной (на основании судебной практики, писем Минфина, практики проверок).

4. Что необходимо сделать, чтобы проявить разумную осмотрительность. Какие документы и какую информацию о контрагенте необходимо собрать.

5. Как защититься от претензий налогового органа о том, что контрагент:
 * не платит налоги и не сдает отчетность;
 * не отвечает на встречные проверки;
 * не находиться по месту регистрации, либо зарегистрирован по адресу массовой регистрации;
 * директор БОМЖ, ничего не подписывал, его подпись подделали и т.п.
 * директор является "массовым", в отношении руководителя проводятся розыскные мероприятия;
 * проведенный осмотр показал, что компания не могла отгрузить товар с адреса, указанного в накладной, счете-фактуре;
 * коды ОКВЭД контрагента не позволяют ему произвести действия, которые он якобы произвел по отношению к налогоплательщику (не может выполнять работы, поставлять товар и т.п., так как создан для иных целей);
 * иные претензии.

6. Анализ предмета доказывания по спорам о получении необоснованной налоговой выгоды. Установление размера требований по подобным делам. Взыскание всех ранее заявленных вычетов и расходов как нарушение принципа соразмерности и справедливости. Анализ аналогичной практики Европейского Суда.

7. Разбор основных ошибок допускаемых налоговыми органами в процессе доказывания получение налоговый выгоды (встречные проверки реально не проводятся, а данные берется из компьютерной системы учета, вместо допросов проводиться опрос, вместо экспертизы получаются заключения специалиста и т.п.). Как использовать ошибки (подробно).

8. Создание преюдиции для доказывания реальности сделки.

9. Способ ухода от признания налоговой выгоды необоснованной при заключении договоров с поставщиками при помощи посредника. Как построить договор, чтобы претензии по поставщикам нельзя было предъявить.

10. Уход от признания налоговой выгоды необоснованной путем особого способа заключения договоров.

11. Уход от уплаты НДС с наценки путем:
 * заключения договора с дополнительной выгодой;
 * включение условий о неустойки;
 * использование простого товарищества.

12. Кто отвечает за работу с недобросовестными контрагентами (директор или бухгалтер) и в какой части. Рассмотрение основных законодательных инициатив и принятых в последнее время законов, направленных на борьбу с "однодневками".

13. Потеря документов по недобросовестным поставщикам. Налоговые последствия. Указания Минфина по привлечению к ответственности в таком случае. Способ защиты от налоговых претензий. Является ли потеря документов защитой от претензий правоохранительных органов.
14. Анализ возможности рассмотрения любого налогового спора в Арбитражном суде г. Москвы, как способ обойти негативную практику конкретного региона.
15. Изменение практики компенсации судебных издержек.
16. Ответы на индивидуальные вопросы.


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From measl at mfn.org  Mon Jan 24 16:00:08 2011
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:00:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [RAISETHEFIST] Corporations as PersonHoods or RobinHoods? (fwd)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:10:34 -0800
From: "Banuelos, Max" <max.banuelos at lausd.net>
Reply-To: raisethefist at lists.riseup.net
To: raisethefist at lists.riseup.net
Subject: [RAISETHEFIST] Corporations as PersonHoods or RobinHoods?

 

 

It's unbelievable that in the united states colleges and university
students and people are taught this garbage, A Corporate Soul,
untouchable by the hand of any creation or creator, above the divine and
any citizen.   A plant has more respect and more logical right to exist
as opposed to corporations 'whose' claim is above anybody, anything, and
everything.   The result......borrowed time.  

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Resolution Calling to Amend the Constitution Banning Corporate
Personhood Introduced in Vermont

 
The Image of Corporations on Nature. Any Questions?

On the anniversary of the Citizens United decision, Vermont politicians
are moving to deny corporations the rights that humans enjoy.

By Christopher Ketcham

January 22, 2011 "AlterNet
<http://www.alternet.org/news/149620/resolution_calling_to_amend_the_con
stitution_banning_corporate_personhood_introduced_in_vermont?page=entire
> " -- - A year ago today, the Supreme Court issued its bizarre Citizens
United decision, allowing unlimited corporate spending in elections as a
form of "free speech" for the corporate "person." Justice John Paul
Stevens, writing for the dissent, had the task of recalling the majority
to planet earth and basic common sense.

"Corporations have no consciences, no beliefs, no feelings, no thoughts,
no desires," wrote Stevens. "Corporations help structure and facilitate
the activities of human beings, to be sure, and their 'personhood' often
serves as a useful legal fiction. But they are not themselves members of
'We the People' by whom and for whom our Constitution was established."

Fortunately, movements are afoot to reverse a century of accumulated
powers and protections granted to corporations by wacky judicial
decisions.

In Vermont, state senator Virginia Lyons on Friday presented an
anti-corporate personhood resolution for passage in the Vermont
legislature. The resolution, the first of its kind, proposes "an
amendment to the United States Constitution ... which provides that
corporations are not persons under the laws of the United States."
Sources in the state house say it has a good chance of passing. This
same body of lawmakers, after all, once voted to impeach George W. Bush,
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Программа мероприятия:

1 день. Общие положения и налоги с доходов физических лиц: как выжить после увеличения страховых взносов

1. Что такое "черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы, обналичка, фирма-однодневка ("помойка", "недобросовестный" или "проблемный" налогоплательщик, "фонарь" и т.п.). Как выявить внешнего контрагента-однодневку и исключить отношения с ним.

2. Обналичивание. Для чего используется:
 * "черная" зарплата и доходы собственников бизнеса;
 * оплата расходов, которые не хочется проводить официально;
 * незаконная деятельность (взятки, откаты┘);

3. Законные альтернативы обналичиванию (только для законных целей!):
 * ИП на ЕНВД или УСН (в т.ч. на патенте) √ как использовать. Договоры с ИП: возмездного оказания услуг, выполнения работ, агентский, транспортные услуги, механизм трансфертных цен, штрафные санкции, аренда и пр.,
 * дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве ИП √ легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Текущая ситуация с обложением таких доходов НДФЛ. Получение наличных по чеку на расходы ИП, через личные (карточные) счета, по сделкам с другими ИП, занимающимися розницей, общепитом, услугами населению и т.п. Выбор банков,
 * Аутсорсинг и аутстаффинг (предоставление персонала), в тч. использование филиалов общественных организаций инвалидов и их фирм. Центры обслуживания (Кадровые центры). Когда применение аутстаффинга может быть оправдано. Рекомендации по выбору договорных форм для разных категорий персонала. Риски, нюансы, практика внедрения и новая судебная практика. Частые ошибки,
 * дивиденды от субъектов спецрежимов √ замена выплаты зарплате на "упрощенке"? Нюансы, рекомендации. Выплата квартальных дивидендов ежемесячно частями. Выплаты из прибыли в АО, ООО, производственном кооперативе ("народном предприятии"), офшоре,
 * выплата процентов, 
 * выплата компенсаций задержку зарплаты, использование личного имущества и др.,
 * аренда имущества у физлиц или закупка у них ТМЦ, 
 * платежи от компаний-нерезидентов на корпоративные (офшорные) или личные пластиковые карты иностранных банков. Основания - зарплата, гонорары и иные легальные доходы от нерезидента. Предоставление от нерезидента высшего управленческого персонала, использование в строительстве;
 * суточные,
 * зарплата в большом размере √ нулевая ставка страховых взносов;
 * в каком случае выплата зарплаты на спецрежимах сохраняет свою актуальность;
 * перевод расходов в безналичную форму. Представительские расходы.
Расчеты эффективности по рассмотренным вариантам.

4. Условия применения всех налоговых схем: Непритворный характер заключаемых сделок. Экономическая целесообразность расходов ("деловая цель", "легенда", отсутствие дублирующихся функций). Грамотное обоснование цен. Отсутствие "явных признаков налоговой схемы". Неаффилированность, прямые и косвенные признаки аффилированности, ее негативные последствия и когда она допустима; "искусственное дробление бизнеса с целью уклонения от уплаты налогов" (подход "как к ЮКОСу"); "деловые цели", обосновывающие деление бизнеса. Самостоятельность низконалоговых субъектов.

5. Как компенсировать "выпадение" отчислений в Пенсионный фонд на накопительную часть пенсии, в ФСС и ФОМС при применении налоговых схем, не предусматривающих выплату зарплаты.

6. Способы подтверждения источников крупных расходов физлиц и когда это необходимо.

2 день. Затратные механизмы в налоговых схемах для оптимизации НДС и налога на прибыль Законные альтернативы "черным" "серым" схемам.

7. Однодневки. Для чего используются:
 * псевдооптимизация НДС и налога на прибыль в отдельных сделках или всей деятельности;
 * "серый импорт";
 * "серая конвертация";
 * незаконная деятельность.

8. "Серые" (полулегальные) альтернативы однодневкам: как нельзя "оптимизировать"! Фирмы-"прокладки", контактирующие с недобросовестными налогоплательщиками ("белая" - "серая" - "черная" фирмы).

9. Законные альтернативы однодневкам (только для законных целей!). "Белые" схемы планирования налога на прибыль и НДС.

Низконалоговые субъекты:
 * субъекты специальных налоговых режимов √ ЕНВД и УСН, в т.ч. патентная система, а также субъекты УСН из "низконалоговых" регионов, где введена минимальная ставка единого налога при объекте "доходы минус расходы" (5%) на все или почти на все виды деятельности, а также простое товарищество с их участием,
 * зарубежные офшоры или связанные с ними компании-нерезиденты из респектабельных юрисдикций,
 * экзотические варианты: ИП на общей системе налогообложения, физлица (при условии несистематичности извлечения дохода), "инвалидные" структуры, убыточные предприятия и фирмы, имеющие переплату НДС,

Нюансы и цели применения. Принципиальная невозможность экономии НДС "белыми" схемами и случаи, когда это все же возможно.
Выявление (создание) покупателей (заказчиков), не нуждающихся в вычете НДС, разделение финансовых потоков "с НДС" и "без НДС". Использование ИП на ЕНВД с уплатой символического налога (маленький торговый зал, торговое место, развозная торговля). Нюансы. Ограничение использования: покупатели, не нуждающиеся в вычете НДС. Риски, связанные определением розничной торговли по ГК. Экономия НДС в производстве, выполнении работ, оказании услуг через разделение финансовых потоков "с НДС" и "без НДС".
Способы переноса налогооблагаемой базы по налогу на прибыль на низконалоговых субъектов. Трансфертное ценообразование. "Затратные механизмы":

 * нефиктивные услуги, работы,
 * выплата процентов по долговым обязательствам. Включение процентов в расходы в любом размере,
 * платежи за использование и обслуживание объектов основных средств и нематериальных активов, в т.ч. франчайзинговые,
 * штрафные санкции, возмещение убытков, включая демередж и прочий простой,
 * платежи за увеличенный срок и/или объем гарантийных обязательств,
 * плата за залог или поручительство, делькредере.

Простое товарищество субъектов упрощенной системы налогообложения, в т.ч. из "низконалоговых" регионов. Нужно или нет платить НДС? Перенос прибыли товарищества на низконалоговых субъектов (УСН 6%, ЕНВД, офшор, физлицо и др.). Отсрочка уплаты налога при непередаче прибыли на счета товарищей. Возможен ли обход с помощью простого товарищества правил налогового учета (гл. 25 НК) и ограничений гл. 26.2 НК РФ в части перечня затрат?

Иностранные низконалоговые компании. Их использование при проведении внутрироссийских операций для оптимизации налога на прибыль: традиционные (торговля, проценты, дивиденды, роялти, услуги, и т.п.) и нетрадиционные схемы (простое товарищество, работа по агентским или комиссионным договорам с нерезидентами). Выбор низконалоговых юрисдикций.

10. Законные альтернативы "серому импорту" и "серой конвертации":
 * прямой импорт с использованием или не использованием трансфертных цен и затратных механизмов;
 * выплата нерезидентам дивидендов, роялти, процентов вклады в их уставные капиталы, покупка акций, инвестиции и т.п.

11. Расчет налоговой нагрузки на примере. Каковы будут (и будут ли) потери при отказе от "черных" схем. Когда при этом можно даже сэкономить.

12. Как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать налоги с учетом  изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменения Обзор изменений налогового законодательства в 2011 г., как они повлияли на налоговые схемы. Ответы на вопросы. По желанию и возможности  √ индивидуальное экспресс-моделирование схем налогового планирования для компаний-участниц семинара.


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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:12:36 +0200
Subject: EDRi-gram newsletter - Number 9.2, 26 January 2011
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         EDRi-gram

biweekly newsletter about digital civil rights in Europe

  Number 9.2, 26 January 2011

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Contents
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1. EDRi responds to data protection consultation
2. EC's leak describes blocking as "challenging", "costly" and ineffective
3. EU institutions want clarifications form Hungary on its media legislation
4. European Commission concerned over illegal eavesdropping in Bulgaria
5. Romanian NGOs demand stopping data retention in Europe
6. Spain: Right to be forgotten and Google
7. Sarkozy wants a "civilised" Internet
8. ENDitorial: EDRi publishes study on self-regulation and censorship
9. Recommended Action
10. Recommended Reading
11. Agenda
12. About

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1. EDRi responds to data protection consultation
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Building on the analysis produced for the European Commission's initial data
protection consultation in 2009, European Digital Rights has submitted its
second round of comments on the review of the 1995 Data Protection
Directive.

One of EDRi's primary concerns with regard to the existing legal framework
is the lack of predictability - due to vast differences in the way basic
parts of the Directive are understood by Member States' authorities and
courts as well as the powers and resources of national data protection
authorities. This led EDRi to the conclusion that a directly applicable EU
Regulation is needed, rather than the current situation, where 27 Member
States have to implement a Directive into their national law, leading to
these diverging implementations.

Another core problem to address is the plummeting costs of data processing
which causes more and more data to be collected and used. Such processing
will lead to ever-greater risks being taken with personal data unless legal
provisions ensure that the risk-reward balance for data processors is
adapted appropriately.

Processing of personal data by states comes in for particular criticism in
EDRi's submission. The actions of Member States must be consistent with what
they expect from private companies, and there are many examples of this not
being the case. There are numerous examples of electronic patient records,
e-government systems and public transport payment systems which do not
respect "privacy by design", data minimization and other key principles.
Worse still, the broad exception given to Council of Europe Member States in
that institution's Recommendation on profiling, which accepts in principle
that the most basic of privacy protections, may be set aside by European
governments.

Regarding data processing by companies, EDRi welcomes many of the policies
described in the Commission Communication, such as data minimization, the
right to be forgotten, rights of access and erasure of data etc, but points
out that many of these rights are already in the existing legislation. The
task at hand, therefore, is not to re-legislate for existing rights, but to
establish why these rights are not readily enforceable.

Concerning new technologies, EDRi suggests that there are three trends
which need to be taken into account - the exponential growth in personal
data processing capabilities, the growing disconnection between data
processing and physical location and the Internet of Things.

In order to improve implementation, EDRi called for increased
implementation powers for national data protection authorities (DPAs) as
well as a targeted reduction in the administrative burden. The reduction of
the administrative burden should (and must) lead to national DPAs having
more time and resources to devote to practical improvements in privacy
protection for data subjects.

Both the change of legal environment as a result of the Lisbon Treaty and
the increasing trend for data collected by private companies to be used for
policing purposes means that it is essential to include data collected for
policing purposes in the Directive. A strong data protection framework is
the minimum price that should be paid for the levels of police and security
cooperation that are currently demanded and enacted within the EU and
between the EU and third states.

EDRi believes that a Regulation would be a better instrument to
ensure clarification and simplification of rules for international data
transfers. EDRi believes that the current "safe harbour" exceptions result
in an opaque and unaccountable situation for data subjects. At the same
time, EDRi feels very strongly about retaining the base principle that
personal data should not be exported to jurisdictions without safeguards
that are materially similar to those within the European Free Trade Area.

Finally, EDRi drew attention to a separate consultation that overlaps with
the Commission's work on Data Protection - the Communication on the IPR
Enforcement Directive. This latter Communication seeks to undermine the
fundamental right to privacy by suggesting an opaque effort to "rebalance"
rights to the benefit of so-called property rights. It is entirely and
obviously unacceptable that the European Commission can simultaneously be
negotiating ratification of the European Convention on Human Rights and
seeking to undermine its core provisions.

EDRi response to 2010 Communication on Data Protection Directive revision
(15.01.2011)
http://www.edri.org/files/20110115_EDRi_data_protection_final.pdf

European Commission 2010 Communication on Data Protection Directive
revision (4.11.2010)
http://ec.europa.eu/justice/news/consulting_public/0006/com_2010_609_en.pdf

Data Protection Reform Strategy: EDPS sets out his vision for the new
framework (18.01.2011)
http://www.edps.europa.eu/EDPSWEB/webdav/site/mySite/shared/Documents/Consultation/Opinions/2011/11-01-14_Personal_Data_Protection_EN.pdf

Communication on IPR Enforcement Directive (22.12.2010)
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2010:0779:FIN:EN:PDF

EDRi response to 2009 Consultation on Data Protection Directive revision
(13.01.2010)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number8.1/position-data-protection-review

(Contribution by Joe McNamee - EDRi)

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2. EC's leak describes blocking as "challenging", "costly" and ineffective
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A leaked draft of the European Commission's (EC) Green Paper on gambling
provides some valuable insights into the Commission's views on web blocking.
Firstly, contrary to Commissioner Malmstrvm's repeated promises to the
contrary, the leak shows that the Commission has no objections in principle
to blocking being used against content other than child abuse. The document
states that blocking of unlicensed gambling websites "might be justified".
The draft policy document goes on to describe what it sees as a key
advantage of DNS blocking - that it can be used to hijack users' connections
to direct them to approved sites.

Nonetheless, while in favour of blocking in principle,  the document
explicitly recognises that blocking is "technically challenging and costly"
and that blocking will leave a "significant" residual level of illegal sites
publicly available. In particular, and this is of importance for blocking in
relation to child abuse material, the document says that regular updating of
a blocking list will be "costly" - a point studiously avoided by the
European Commission in the blocking debate so far.

Meanwhile, the Civil Liberties Committee of the European Parliament is
getting ready for its vote on blocking next week. 342 amendments have been
tabled to the Child Exploitation Directive as a whole, with 45 addressing
the issue of Internet blocking. While there is a large consensus that
blocking should not be mandatory on Member States, there is a wide
divergence of opinion on whether blocking should be promoted or not by the
Directive and whether "non-legislative" measures should be encouraged as a
means of achieving blocking.

Among MEPs that have been diligently working on the dossier in the 22 months
since the original proposal was made, there is widespread agreement that
neither blocking nor non-legislative measures should not be promoted.
However, numerous amendments have been tabled by MEPs that have never spoken
in a single debate on the issue. When the vote happens, therefore, all will
hang on the efforts by activists to contact MEPs and persuade them that
blocking is dangerous and that extra-judicial actions by Internet access
providers to restrict access to content would be wrong and contrary to the
most basic principles of fundamental rights.

Draft European Commission Green Paper on online gambling in the Internal
market (01.2011)
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2011/jan/eu-com-draft-green-paper-on-internet-gambling.pdf

EDRi's web blocking campaign page
http://www.edri.org/stop_web_blocking

(Contribution by Joe McNamee - EDRi)

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3. EU institutions want clarifications form Hungary on its media legislation
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The Hungarian EU Presidency was met on 19 January 2011 with opposition and
criticism due to the controversial media legislation Hungary has recently
introduced. Some MEPs displayed white banners that read
"censored".

Viktor Orban, the Hungarian Prime-Minister started his speech by stating
that the Hungarian government was willing to change the legislation if the
European Commission finds it to be at fault, as the law is presently under
its legal review to establish whether it contravenes the EU law. Orban added
that Hungary would follow the EC opinion provided it was scrupulously
objective, and insisted that Hungary should be treated like any other EU
member state. Also, that a separation should be made between Hungary's EU
presidency and Hungary's internal affairs.

Several MEPs expressed the opinion that the legislation ought to be scrapped
entirely. The new law establishes a Media Council (MC) to ensure "balanced"
reporting, and requires all media types to be registered, including online
media such as forums and blogs.

Miklos Haraszti, former OSCE Representative on Freedom of the Media,
explained that there are actually five interconnected legislative acts
introduced in Hungary since June 2010 that were passed in a rush, at the end
of the year, without any consultation.

According to the corroborated legislation, all media (including the
Internet) are bound to provide "comprehensive, factual, up-to-date,
objective and balanced coverage on local, national and European issues that
may be of interest for the general public and on any event bearing relevance
to the citizens of the Republic of Hungary and members of the Hungarian
nation." In Haraszti's opinion, the obligation of the registration for all
news providers (including print and Internet-based ) is specifically
forbidden in the Council of Europe guidelines.

The new Hungarian legislation stipulates high penalties, from 90 000 to
722000 Euro for infringements such as the provision of content that may
potentially hurt any community. In order to verify the violations, MC may
access any data, including legally protected information.. Refusal to offer
the required data may bring a fine of up to180 000 Euro to any media
provider..

The legislation thus puts the entire media under the power of a single
governmental authority and, according to Judit Bayer, associate professor
of media law at King Sigismund College in Budapest, the law is
"unquestionably a serious attack on press freedom, and contrary to Article 2
of Lisbon Treaty, Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights and
Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights."

On 21 January 2011, the European Commission sent a letter to the Hungarian
government, giving them two weeks to answer the concerns related to this
law. In case of an inadequate answer, Hungary may face legal action.

"The commission services have serious doubts as to the compatibility of the
Hungarian legislation with Union law," wrote Vice-President of the
Commission in charge of the Digital Agenda, , Neelie Kroes.

The letter also refers to the provisions of the law that allow Hungary to
fine broadcasters based outside the country for what is deemed hate
speech, as well as the mandatory registration of all media, including
websites, which appear to be incompatible with EU rules.

Orban meets barrage of MEP criticism over media law (19.01.2011)
http://euobserver.com/9/31669/?rk=1

Hungary's Media Law Package (16.01.2011)
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2011/jan/hungary-haraszti-media-law-package.pdf

Hungary's new law a threat to democracy (17.01.2011)
http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/01/hungary-media-law/

EC to inform Hungary about concerns with media law this week (19.01.2011)
http://www.politics.hu/20110119/ec-to-inform-hungary-about-concerns-with-media-law-this-week

EU gives Hungary two weeks to reply on media law (22.01.2011)
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/news/363678,hungary-reply-media-law.html

EDRi-gram: New media law in Hungary allows Internet censorship (12.01.2011)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number9.1/media-law-hungary-blocks-internet

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4. European Commission concerned over illegal eavesdropping in Bulgaria
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Based on a request for access to public information, Dnevnik daily newspaper
has been able to access and publish information showing that a
third of the wiretaps in Bulgaria have no proper legal coverage, being
performed without an authorisation from a judge.

This is possible due to a "flexible" formulation of the procedure for
requesting the interception of a person's communications. An internal
directive issued by Boris Velchev, the prosecutor-general allows prosecutors
to request eavesdropping without the authorisation of a judge when a
criminal investigation has been opened.

According to Dvevnik, based on this procedure, 2 767 such cases of illegal
eavesdropping have already taken place in seven months. The daily also
revealed that, according to economists, Bulgaria spends 50 times more than
the UK on eavesdropping.

While the Bulgarian press reveals a significant increase of eavesdropping
under the government of Boyko Borissov, the Bulgarian Prime-Minister
justifies the government eavesdropping as an important instrument in
fighting organised crime.

The European Commission has recently requested information from the
Bulgarian authorities related to the legality of the eavesdropping
activities, following leaks into Galeria tabloid concerning taped phone
conversations in which apparently Boyko Borissov spoke of the need to
"protect" a controversial businessperson from customs checks. As a result of
the scandal in the press, Borissov asked for a vote of confidence in the
Parliament, which he won on 20 January 2011.

The ALDE group submitted on 21 January 2011 a question to the Commission
asking clarifications over the application of the Bulgarian wiretap law,
which infringes the Bulgarian Constitution, the provisions of the Lisbon
Treaty, the ECHR and the European Charter of Fundamental Rights.

"The current Bulgarian scandal over the escalating use of Special
Intelligence Means is a stain on the image of Bulgaria in the same way as
the Hungarian media law this week taints the international image of that
country. The data collected from the special services in Bulgaria is leaking
widely and the only independent mechanism for control over the special
services has been abolished. There is a widespread paranoia spreading
amongst Bulgarian society. The European Commission should step in and uphold
the rights of Bulgarian citizens under EU law before this situation gets out
of hand," said ALDE MEP Stanimir Ilchev.

The European Commission is expected to present a report in February on
progress made by Bulgaria under the Cooperation and Verification Mechanism
monitoring procedure.

One third of eavesdropping in Bulgaria illegal (21.01.2011)
http://www.euractiv.com/en/enlargement/third-eavesdropping-bulgaria-illegal-news-501461

Wiretap scandal rocks Bulgarian government (18.01.2011)
http://www.euractiv.com/en/enlargement/wiretap-scandal-rocks-bulgarian-government-news-501300

Any third monitoring of GSM and the Internet has no control (only in
Bulgarian, 22.01.2011)
http://www.dnevnik.bg/bulgaria/2011/01/20/1028603_vsiako_treto_sledene_na_gsm_i_v_internet_e_bez_kontrol/

Eavesdropping scandal in Bulgaria: Commission must investigate (21.01.2011)
http://www.alde.eu/press/press-and-release-news/press-release/article/eavesdropping-scandal-in-bulgaria-commission-must-investigate-36918/

EDRi-gram: Protests in Bulgaria against eavesdropping and data retention law
(13.01.2010)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number8.1/bulgarian-protests-data-retention

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5. Romanian NGOs demand stopping data retention in Europe
============================================================

In an open letter sent to the European institutions, several Romanian NGOs,
including EDRi-member APTI Romania, demanded stopping data retention in
Europe, following the decisions of the Constitutional Courts in Romania and
Germany.

The letter asks the European Commission to take advantage of the evaluation
process of the Data Retention Directive in order to correct the mistakes of
the past and to nullify the Directive, as it has been shown there are
difficulties in obtaining the relevant data regarding the efficiency of such
a system. The Commission has also received clear examples of abuses and
adverse effects on privacy.

The signatories underline that a Romanian implementation of the EU Directive
on data retention is impossible, after the 2009 decision of the
Constitutional Court that considered that the fundamental scope of the law
(and thus of the Directive)  - legal obligation to continuously and
indiscriminately store telecommunication data- is unconstitutional.

They are also asking the competent European institutions to take note of the
irreconcilable conflict between the telecommunication data retention and the
human right to privacy and to act accordingly to respect the principles
in the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union.

The text is meant to remind, support and respect the decision of the
Romanian Constitutional Court and not to put an EU Member State in a
position that will breach its constitutional texts: "The decision stipulates
that keeping all traffic data for all Romanian citizens is a measure that
breaches human rights, as foreseen by the Romanian Constitution. Thus 'the
legal obligation with a continuous character, generally applicable, of data
retention (...) harms in an unacceptable way the exercise of the right to
privacy or the freedom of expression.'"

Telecommunication data retention must be stopped in Europe (26.01.2011)
http://www.apti.ro/pastrare-date-trafic.pdf

Decision of the Romanian Constitutional Court (8.10.2009)
http://www.legi-internet.ro/english/jurisprudenta-it-romania/decizii-it/romanian-constitutional-court-decision-regarding-data-retention.html

EDRi-gram: Data Retention Directive evaluation: expect the unexpected?
(15.12.2010)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number8.24/evaluation-data-retention-directive

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6. Spain: Right to be forgotten and Google
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The Spanish data protection authority (AEPD) has recently been focusing on a
privacy-related campaign against major Internet intermediaries, accusing
them to "have crossed the red line" in regard to protection of personal data
on the Internet. Facebook, Google or Myspace are under scrutiny for their
privacy policies and how they are respected.

On 17 January 2010, AEPD accused Google of invading personal privacy of
users, arguing the company was in breach of the "right to be forgotten", the
Spanish law allowing people to control information about them. The Spanish
Authority ordered the search engine company to remove links to more than 100
Spanish online articles and to delete links to websites that contained out
of date or inaccurate information about a specific individual that
complained to the AEPD.

Google argues that deleting results "would be a form of censorship",
that the company, as an intermediary, is not liable for the content of the
materials it links to. Moreover deleting content is not the role of search
engines but of publishers.

"We are disappointed by the actions of the Spanish privacy regulator.
Spanish and European law rightly hold the publisher of the material
responsible for its content. Requiring intermediaries like search engines to
censor material published by others would have a profound, chilling effect
on free expression without protecting people's privacy," stated Peter
Barron, Google's director of external relations for Europe.

But even if Google loses the case, the articles blocked by the search engine
will still be available on the websites of the newspapers and journals that
published the respective articles. However, Google will have to delete
information about the concerned individuals from its Spanish site and
respond to another 88 cases also brought to the Spanish regulator.

The case is closely followed by the European Union because its outcomes may
have implications outside Spain, having in view that EU has already
announced looking at how the application of the right to be forgotten is
implemented in the online world. "Internet users must have effective control
of what they put online and be able to correct, withdraw or delete it at
will. What happens if you want to permanently delete your profile on a
social networking site? Can this be done easily? The right to be forgotten
is essential in today's digital world." said Viviane Reding, European
Commission's Vice-president, in a statement made in November 2010.

Building Trust in Europe's Online Single Market Speech at the American
Chamber of Commerce to the EU Brussels - Viviane Reding speech (22.06.2010)
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=SPEECH/10/327

Google fights Spanish privacy order in court (20.01.2011)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12239674

Google fights Spanish court order over libel (17.01.2011)
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14771969,00.html

AEPD Director warns that the large Internet company has crossed "several red
lines" of the respect to privacy (only in Spanish, 12.2010)
https://www.agpd.es/portalwebAGPD/revista_prensa/revista_prensa/2010/notas_prensa/common/diciembre/101201_NP_comparecencia.pdf

Google search engine, ripe for judgment (only in Spanish, 22.01.2011)
http://www.larazon.es/noticia/5222-el-buscador-google-visto-para-sentencia

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7. Sarkozy wants a "civilised" Internet
============================================================

With France at the Presidency of the G20 group in 2011, Nicolas Sarkozy has
recently announced the intention to convene a G20 meeting to discuss
Internet and copyright issues, before the full G20 summit of heads of state
and government in Cannes in November.

The French President has had the same discourse for some time now, having
pushed the idea of a "civilised" Internet on various occasions since the
signature in November 2007 of the so-called "Olivennes agreement", which
established the Hadopi authority.

The subject of a "civilised" Internet will also be discussed during the G8
meeting that will take place in Deauville, France, on 26 and 27 May 2011.
"We will table a central question, that of a civilised Internet (....).We
cannot consume as never before images, music, authors, creation, and not
ensure the property rights for the person who put all the emotion, talent
and creativity (...). The day we no longer remunerate the creation, we will
kill the creation" said Sarkozy.

In the French government's opinion, expressed by Deputy Muriel
Marland-Militello, France is the "world's pioneer of the civilised
Internet", thanks to Hadopi.

A pioneer who obstinately continues its efforts to promote its repressive
three-strikes system with every occasion. In October 2010, an international
conference on online freedom of expression was supposed to be organised by
French minister of Foreign Affairs Bernard Kouchner.  A letter sent by
Nicolas Sarkozy to Houchner shows that Sarkozy was trying to take the
opportunity of the conference to promote Hadopi law establishing the
three-strikes system.

In Sarkozy's opinion, the conference provided "the opportunity to promote
the balanced regulatory initiatives carried on by France during these past
three years, and in particular the HADOPI law in the field of copyright."

In the meantime, Hadopi presented on 23 January 2011, on the
occasion of MIDEM 2011 (Marchi International du Disque et de l'Edition
Musicale - International Market of the Record and Musical Edition) the
results of its first study, performed between 25 October and 4 November
2010, on Internet usage in France.

The study revealed that half of the French Internet users engage in alleged
illegal downloads. A rather unpleasant finding for Hadopi is that 29 % of
the "pirates" admit to having started downloading during the last 6 months,
meaning after the introduction of Hadopi law and the issuing of the first
warnings by the authority. Moreover 50% of the "pirates" stated they did not
intend to change their habits, irrespective of the authority's actions.

The study has also revealed that the persons who illegally download
cultural goods are also the ones that spend more on culture than others who
do not. The main obstacle to legal consumption of digital cultural goods is
the price for 37% of users, while for 21% of them the reason is a lack of
offer diversity, and only 13% state they are more used to "illegal
consumption."

The findings of the report are not quite in favour of Hadopi and only prove
the inefficiency of the system.

Sarkozy wants a G20 of the copyright for a "civilised Internet" (only in
French, 19.01.2011)
http://www.numerama.com/magazine/17849-sarkozy-veut-un-g20-du-droit-d-auteur-pour-34un-internet-civilise34.html

Sarkozy Exports Repressive Internet (21.10.2010)
http://www.laquadrature.net/en/sarkozy-exports-repressive-internet

Hadopi presents its study: 50 % of the pirates don't want to change (only in
French, 24.01.2011)
http://www.numerama.com/magazine/17864-l-hadopi-presente-son-etude-50-des-pirates-ne-veulent-pas-changer.html

Hadopi, Cultural goods and Internet use: the French users' practices and
perceptions (only in French, 23.01.2011)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47451295/hadopiT0

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8. ENDitorial: EDRi publishes study on self-regulation and censorship
============================================================

European Digital Rights has published a study on the scale of measures being
undertaken to outsource policing activities to private companies in the
Internet environment and its significance for fundamental rights,
transparency and openness on the Internet.

Internet intermediaries around the world are taking on more important roles
in their states' efforts to address the dissemination of illegal online
content and this trend is likely to become stronger as we move into a new
environment of "extra-judicial sanctions" against consumers. With some
notable exceptions, these activities are being forced onto Internet
intermediaries rather than being demanded by them.

The study found that the term "self-regulation" is being inappropriately
used to describe what is not self-regulation at all, but the monitoring,
policing and even punishing of alleged illegal activities of citizens.
Proposed legislation and "non-binding guidelines" are forcing intermediaries
into a position in which they can no longer avail themselves of legal
protections - where they are obliged, in effect, to police private online
communications, often in blatant disregard of legal safeguards and even to
impose sanctions for alleged infringements.

Should Internet intermediaries become privatised enforcement systems? The
measures recently taken by Visa, Mastercard, PayPal and EveryDNS against
WikiLeaks are a case in point. Even without WikiLeaks being charged with any
particular crime, private companies have acted unilaterally against it.

The devolved enforcement initiatives documented in the report aim to
persuade industry to engage in a vigilante system of monitoring and
sanctioning; the report catalogues current international proposals, which
include:

- a series of ongoing "public-private dialogues" organised by the
European Commission to encourage hosting providers to engage in
extra-judicial rulings of illegality;
- a 2010 European Commission funding proposal incentivising
companies to engage in "self-regulatory" Internet blocking of allegedly
illegal online material;
- discussions launched by the Council of Europe's Assembly in 2010
whose intention appears to be to increase the legal obligations of
intermediaries, despite the fact that this would be "contrary both to the
letter and the spirit of the 2003 Declaration on freedom of communication on
the Internet";
- 2010 OECD discussions, which aim to increase the responsibility of
Internet intermediaries in advancing "public policy objectives";
- the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) that contains provisions
that would encourage or coerce ISPs into policing their
networks and enforcing extra-judicial sanctions, where they deem it to be
appropriate;
- an OSCE consultation in 2010, the aim of which was to explore ways
to enable ISPs to "'regulate' online legal or illegal 'hate speech'"';
- EU/India and EU/Korea bilateral free trade agreements that would change
the EU acquis on intermediary liability.

The encouragement of extra-legal measures to limit access to information,
proactive policing of the Internet and the exclusion of law enforcement
authorities in investigating serious crimes are factors that contribute to
the weakening of the rule of law and democracy. Indeed, by taking
responsibility away from legal authorities, such measures can result in
serious crime, such as the publication of child abuse material online, being
addressed by industry through cosmetic measures (such as blocking) rather
than proper investigation and prosecution.

While these appear to be regressive steps away from freedom, the study
found, for instance, that the European Commission appears far from perturbed
by the dangers for fundamental rights of this approach and appears keen to
export the approach. This process is gradually strangling the openness that
is at the core of the Internet. This openness has enhanced democracy, has
shaken dictatorships and has boosted economies worldwide. This openness is
what we will lose through privatised policing of the Internet by private
companies - what will we gain?

EDRi report: The slide from "self-regulation" to corporate censorship
(24.01.2011)
http://www.edri.org/files/EDRI_selfreg_final_20110124.pdf

Text of the press releas also available in:
German
http://www.edri.org/files/EDRi_pressemiteilung_deutsch.pdf
Swedish
http://www.edri.org/files/EDRi_pressmedel_svenska.pdf
French
http://www.edri.org/files/EDRi_communique_francaise.pdf
Hungarian
http://www.edri.org/files/magyar_sajtokozlemeny_EDRi_jelentes.pdf
Slovak:
http://www.soit.sk/sk/aktualne/oit-vo-svete/2011-01-26/106-nova-studia-dokumentuje-vzrastajucu-ulohu-sukromych-spolocnosti-pri-vykonavani-dozoru-nad-online-komunikaciou

(Contribution by Joe McNamee - EDRi)

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9. Recommended Action
============================================================

Opinion of European Academics on ACTA
Open for signatures until 7 February 2011
http://www.iri.uni-hannover.de/acta-1668.html
http://www.iri.uni-hannover.de/tl_files/pdf/ACTA_opinion_200111_2.pdf

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10. Recommended Reading
============================================================

ACTA Blog: Certainly, the professors should know the difference between
'shall' and 'may' (25.01.2011)
http://acta.ffii.org/wordpress/?p=390

ENISA: Review of the current situation in the implementation of data breach
notifications requirement, set up by the Article 4 of the reviewed ePrivacy
Directive (14.01.2011)
http://www.enisa.europa.eu/media/press-releases/new-report-data-breach-notifications-in-europe
http://www.enisa.europa.eu/act/it/dbn/

Statewatch analysis: Six months on: An update on the UK coalition
government's commitment to civil liberties (21.01.2011)
http://www.statewatch.org/analyses/no-118-uk-civil-liberties-six-months-on.pdf

The Commission is publishing the statistics and the responses to the on-line
public consultation on the PSI Directive. The full analysis of the
responses will be published in the form of a report in the coming weeks.
(20.01.2011)
http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/index_en.htm

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11. Agenda
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25-28 January 2011, Brussels, Belgium
The annual Conference Computers, Privacy & Data Protection CPDP 2011
European Data Protection: In Good Health?
http://www.cpdpconferences.org/

26 January 2011, Brussels, Belgium
Cultural Diversity and Europe 2020: Nuisance or necessity?
http://conferences.euobserver.com/cultural/index/

28 January 2011, Brussels, Belgium
Joint High Level meeting on Data Protection: "Data protection (30 years
later): from European to international standards?"
http://www.data-protection-day.net

31 January 2011, Brussels, Belgium
Public Workshop on indicators for the independence and efficient functioning
of AVMS regulatory bodies
http://cmcs.ceu.hu/news/31-january-public-workshop-indicators-independence-and-efficient-functioning-avms-regulatory-bo

23-28 February 2011, Gosier, Guadeloupe, France
ICDS 2011- 5th International Conference on Digital Society
http://www.iaria.org/conferences2011/ICDS11.html

24-25 February 2011, Berlin, Germany
The First OAPEN Conference
http://meetings.copernicus.org/oapen2011/

11-12 March 2011, Ankara, Turkey
ICEGEG-2011- 3rd International Conference on E-Government and E-Governance
http://www.icegeg.com/index.html

28 March 2011, Paris, France
5th European eAccessbility Forum: Benefits and costs of e-accessibility
http://inova.snv.jussieu.fr/evenements/colloques/colloques/70_index_en.html

1 April 2011, Bielefeld, Germany
Big Brother Awards Germany
http://www.bigbrotherawards.de/index_html-en

17-18 May 2011, Berlin Germany
European Data Protection Reform & International Data Protection Compliance
http://www.edpd-conference.com

12-15 June 2011, Bled, Slovenia
24th Bled eConference, eFuture: Creating Solutions for the Individual,
Organisations and Society
http://www.bledconference.org/index.php/eConference/2011

11-12 July 2011, Barcelona, Spain
7th International Conference on Internet, Law & Politics (IDP 2011): Net
Neutrality and other challenges for the future of the Internet
Abstract submission: 18 February 2011
http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profiles/blogs/7th-international-conference

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1.Актуальность вопроса защиты информации 
 •Актуальность проблемы защиты информации. Защита информации как составная часть общей системы безопасности организации (предприятия)
 •Основные понятия, термины и определения в области защиты информации
 •Основные направления защиты информации
 •Законодательная и нормативная база правового регулирования вопросов защиты информации
 •Требования к организации защиты конфиденциальной информации на предприятии (организации)
 •Составные части (основа) системы защиты информации

2.Коммерческая тайна
 •Понятие "коммерческой тайны" в предпринимательской деятельности. Законодательство РФ в области защиты коммерческой тайны
 •Методика составления Перечня сведений, содержащих коммерческую тайну
 •Внутренние нормативные документы, регламентирующие деятельность компании в области защиты коммерческой тайны

3.Угрозы информации. Возможные каналы утечки информации
 •Виды угроз информационной безопасности
 •Определение предмета и объекта защиты.
 •Технические каналы утечки информации. Их классификация. Механизмы образования
 •Организационные, организационно-технические меры и технические средства защиты информации от утечки по техническим каналам
 • Угрозы несанкционированного доступа (НСД) к информации. Источники угроз. Классификация угроз
 •Возможная тактика использование программных и аппаратных закладных устройств (ЗУ). Уязвимость современных технических средств обработки информации (проводные и беспроводные системы, Интернет, мобильные средства связи и пр.)

4.Мероприятия по защите информации. Противодействие промышленному шпионажу. Технические средства защиты информации
 •Формирование организационной структуры системы защиты информации на предприятии. Принципы формирования, факторы и критерии принятия решения
 •Технические средства промышленного шпионажа
 •Защита информации от утечки по техническим каналам
 •Меры и средства защиты информации от технических средств ее съема
 •Приборы обнаружения технических средств промышленного шпионажа
 •Общие требования по защите помещений и технических средств
 •Организационные мероприятия по защите информации. Допуск, доступ, учет, хранение
 •Организационно- технические мероприятия защиты информации
 •Человеческий фактор в утечке информации. Превентивные мероприятия по предупреждению возможной утечки защищаемой информации.

5.Методы и средства защиты компьютерных систем
 •Возможные способы утери, искажения, изменения компьютерной информации или получения к ней несанкционированного доступа.
 •Вирусная угроза компьютерной информации.
 •Возможность защиты информации при работе в сети Internet. Межсетевое экранирование.
 •Активный аудит.
 •Основы криптографической защиты информации. Классификация методов криптографического закрытия информации. Шифрование (симметричные криптосистемы и криптосистемы с открытым ключом). Кодирование и сжатие информации. Стеганография.
 •VPN (виртуальная частная сеть). Преимущества организации виртуальных частных сетей на основе Internet.
 •Электронная цифровая подпись. Электронная цифровая подпись как базовый механизм обеспечения юридической силы документа при электронном документообороте.
 •Практические примеры применения криптографических методов защиты информации.

6.Аудит информационной безопасности компании. Политика информационной безопасности
 •Анализ внутренних и внешних угроз информационной безопасности компании. Общие подходы
 •Методика разработки политики  информационной безопасности в компании
 •Международные и российские стандарты безопасности информационных систем (ISO 17799, ГОСТ Р ИСО/МЭК 17799-2005)
 •Американская концепция системного подхода к обеспечению защиты конфиденциальной информации (OPSEC Operation Security)

7.Организация работы Службы информационной безопасности (СИБ) предприятия. Практический опыт
 •Процедура создания СИБ на предприятии. Разделение функций между СИБ и IT-подразделением. Место СИБ в структуре предприятия
 •Организация взаимодействия с Руководством и руководителями структурных IT-подразделений компании.

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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Jan 26 12:38:43 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:38:43 +0100
Subject: EDRi-gram newsletter - Number 9.2, 26 January 2011
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From michaelslists at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 03:36:37 2011
From: michaelslists at gmail.com (silky)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:36:37 +1100
Subject: Question about (cypher)Twitter
In-Reply-To: <SNT138-w31143F9B101B865C144D019BFD0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT138-w60BE3F89F25C5F55D48D5F9BF20@phx.gbl> 
  <1295075590.15872.5.camel@afterburner> 
  <SNT138-w17B826ED1F6BE66AF5B9109BF90@phx.gbl> 
  <AANLkTinap=tLe9aOecEiJ7b+4M=V_dfJR37TSFaUdNR+@mail.gmail.com> 
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On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> RSS is OK, better than nothing, but in many situations (ie, with dumbphones
> or where conditions are rapidly changing), a pull model has some distinct
> disadvantages to twitter's push model. Or am I missing something? Seems both
> real time as well as anonymity are hard to do in this context. (I'm assuming
> that if a twitfeed is sent to an RSS-iator, then authorities could see that
> and then find who is subscribing to the RSS.)

Subscribing, though, only takes place on the readers side. That is,
it's just as if you were visiting it anyway. So, just don't subscribe,
and view it every so often. What you need, though, is some strategy
that means if the attacker visits the same rss feed, then they don't
get the same information. Or, the information they get is not useful
to them. So, you need some sort of encoding yahoo pipe as well. But
that's probably possible.


> -TD

-- 
silky




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From formulate at lustrous.ru  Wed Jan 26 08:09:16 2011
From: formulate at lustrous.ru (=?koi8-r?B?+sHLz87O2cUgwczY1MXSzsHUydfZ?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 04:09:16 +1200
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28 января 2011г.
+7 Московский код: 7922|/22 <<<>>> 4Ч5З9.68

Налоговое планирование: как жить без обналички и фирм-однодневок и не разориться, уход от "черных" и "серых" схем, оптимизация налогов с использованием законных альтернативных схем.
 

1.Что такое "черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы, обналичка, фирма-однодневка ("помойка", "недобросовестный" или "проблемный" налогоплательщик, "фонарь" и т.п.).Как выявить внешнего контрагента-однодневку и исключить отношения с ним.

2.Обналичивание. Для чего используется:
-"черная" зарплата и доходы собственников бизнеса;
-оплата расходов, которые не хочется проводить официально;
-незаконная деятельность (взятки, откаты, финансирование политической деятельности┘);

Законные альтернативы (только для законных целей!):
-зарплата и дивиденды на спецрежимах, выплата процентов, компенсаций, аренда, покупка у физлиц ТМЦ, ИП на ЕНВД или УСН (в т.ч. на патенте) √ как использовать;
-дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве ИП √ легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Текущая ситуация с обложением таких доходов НДФЛ. Получение наличных по чеку на расходы ИП, через личные (карточные) счета, по сделкам с другими ИП, занимающимися розницей, общепитом, услугами населению и т.п.;
-зарплата в большом размере - нулевая ставка страховых взносов;
-платежи от нерезидентов на карты, основания. Аутстафинг от нерезидента;
-перевод расходов в безналичную форму. Представительские расходы.

3.Однодневки. Для чего используются:
-псевдооптимизация НДС и налога на прибыль в отдельных сделках или всей деятельности;
--"серый импорт";
--"серая конвертация";
--незаконная деятельность.

Законные альтернативы однодневкам (только для законных целей!):
-затратные механизмы или трансфертное ценообразование с участием низконалоговых субъектов;
-выявление (создание) покупателей (заказчиков), не нуждающихся в вычете НДС, разделение финансовых потоков "с НДС" и "без НДС";
-простое товарищество с участием субъектов УСН и/или нерезидентов, работа по агентским или комиссионным договорам с ними;
-прямой импорт с использованием или не использованием трансфертных цен и затратных механизмов;
-выплата нерезидентам дивидендов, роялти, процентов вклады в их уставные капиталы, покупка акций, инвестиции и т.п.

4.Расчет налоговой нагрузки на примере. Каковы будут (и будут ли) потери при отказе от "черных" схем. Когда при этом можно даже сэкономить.

Стоимость участия в семинаре 7 900 рублей

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From flamsmark at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 08:51:56 2011
From: flamsmark at gmail.com (Flamsmark)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:51:56 -0500
Subject: Tor exits in .edu space
Message-ID: <mailman.2783.1576008175.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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My name is Thomas Lowenthal, and I'm and undergraduate student at Princeton
University. I'm majoring in the Politics Department, with a
certificate from the
Program in Applications of Computing, and the Program in Information Technology
and Society. I'm also an Undergraduate Fellow at Princeton's Center for
Information Technology Policy[1]. I'll be graduating this summer, in 2011.

I run the exit TempleSouth[2] inside the IP space of Princeton University. The
computer itself isn't a departmental or University piece of equipment, it's
just my own machine that lives under my desk. Over time, it's had different
names and fingerprints, as I moved from machine to machine, and operating
system to operating system. Running an exit node here has been a lot of work,
but it's been extremely interesting to see the reactions that different
administrators here have had.

I run a Tor exit node because I support the ubiquitous availability of strong
anonymity for anyone who wants it. Tor is one of the strongest, best-
researched, and most widely-used online anonymity system, and I want to help
keep it running at maximum capacity.


Initially, I operated a relay but -- not one to shy away from a fight --
reviewed the EFF's legal guidance, and switched to an exit node. This was in
the days before Mike Perry's excellent /Tips for Running and Exit Node with
Minimal Harassment/[3], and I used a wide open exit policy. Of course, after
a little while some DMCA complaints started showing up. I responded with polite
and precise variations on the abuse templates. However, Princeton has a policy
of assuming the accuracy of such notices, and that they refer to actually
illegal behavior. I was sanctioned on the basis that I was personally violating
copyright law. Of course, I argued back.

I gradually made my way through different administrative procedures, talking
with several administrators, and committees, and finally Princeton's general
counsel. It took a few years (and untold meetings) but I've managed to persuade
them that running an exit node is neither illegal nor unethical (if not
actively altruistic). The most interesting part has been the reactions from the
various people involved in the the discipline/discussion process.


The first few administrators, and the committee that sanctioned me to begin
with, were completely incredulous that this whole Tor business could be
anything but an elaborate ploy to download movies and music online. It was
beyond imagining that a message sent by -- highly reputable -- entertainment
companies could be anything but cold hard fact: prima facie evidence of
wrongdoing. I had to pull out Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act[4]
and subtly hint that sanctioning me might be illegal itself, before they'd
consider seeking a second opinion on my "wrongdoing".

Our DMCA contact was much more pragmatic, and genuinely interested in what was
going on. She went out and did her homework on the Tor project, examining things
with a non-judgemental eye. She empathized with my desire to work towards
internet freedom. Her concerns were pragmatic and legal. Se was worried that I
could move towards giving the University a bad name, or causing it actual harm.
She was also skeptical that I -- a student with a home-made computer under my
desk -- could be considered a "service provider" in the eyes of the DMCA,
especially since I hadn't registered a DMCA contact.

However, the school's general counsel was the most understanding. After I
explained to him exactly how Tor works, and we reviewed the safe harbor
provisions of the DMCA, he got on board with the EFF's legal position. He also
realized that this left the University with negligible liability for what was
going on, and that -- on the contrary -- it was only sanctioning me that would
raise the legal risk under the CDA.


The support that I received from the project was somewhat limited, but I can't
really imagine receiving that much more. I spoke with arma on the IRC channel,
and he provided me with moral support, and offered to get me in touch with Ed
Felten at Princeton's CITP. An open letter from lawyers, addressing an ISP or
University's liability concerns might be valuable, but then again it might not.
It's my feeling that this sort of situation is best resolved with polite
determination and some mild politicking, but I don't see that there's much that
the Tor project can do to persuade large organizations of its worth.

The most valuable resource that I have right now is Mike Perry's excellent
/Tips for Running and Exit Node with Minimal Harassment/. That's exactly the
sort of thing that's really valuable to people like me. I'd like it to be
linked directly from 'so you want to be a server' section of the
torproject.org .
Beyond that, the most valuable thing for the project to do is
advocacy. The more
people know about Tor, and respect the value of online anonymity, the easier
people should find it to run exits


That's the position as it currently stands. I think that the University is not
happy, per se, but that they realize that running a Tor node is one of the many
forms of autonomy that must be granted in a liberal academic institution. There
are still blips from time to time when it seems that someone has made a death
threat, or committed a criminal offense while exiting from my node. Mostly,
however, the University just lives and lets live.


- -Thomas Lowenthal
GPG key 80AF07D3
thomas.lowenthal at gmail.com
http://flamsmark.com



A note: Princeton is home to the Center for Information Technology Policy,
directed by Professor Ed Felten, my Computer Science adviser. CITP is home to
research fellows, including Wendy Seltzer, one of Tor's Board of Directors, and
has even had Roger Dingledine visit as a guest speaker. If needed, it's possible
that I could have requested backup, or reinforcements from CITP during the saga
described above, however I preferred to fight this one on my own, as far as
possible.

If you want to get in touch with me, please email me, or contact StrangeCharm
in #nottor on irc.oftc.net . My resume is available at:
http://flamsmark.com/docs/lowenthal-resume.pdf .

The viewpoints expressed here are my own, and not representative of my
university or employers. Please feel free to redistribute these comments widely.
They are available under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 United
States license[5]. If you excerpt from them, please link to email archives
and/or http://flamsmark.com/docs/lowenthal-tor-edu.txt , and attribute them to
my full name - Thomas Lowenthal.


[1] http://citp.princeton.edu/
[2] Fingerprint $500B25C1240DAC33AC6621D1A87D77A0FF91DE33
[3] https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-minimal-harassment
[4] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communications_Decency_Act
[5] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/

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From arctica at arctica.nw.ru  Thu Jan 27 05:37:13 2011
From: arctica at arctica.nw.ru (=?koi8-r?B?89DFw8nBzMnT1MHNINDPINrB0tDMwdTF?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:37:13 +0200
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?7sHMz8fP18/FINDMwc7J0s/Xwc7JxTogzcnOyc3J2sHDydEg7uTm7Cwg?=
	=?koi8-r?B?09TSwcjP19nIINfazs/Tz9c=?=
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   07 Февраля

Методы оптимизации расходов на выплату белой зарплаты: уменьшаем страховые взносы

(Ч95) Ч45З266 ; 445/32/66

Цель:
Ставка обязательных страховых взносов с зарплаты с 2011 года составляет 34% почти для всех плательщиков (включая субъектов УСН и ЕНВД). При этом регрессивная шкала ЕСН заменена отменой уплаты взносов с суммы дохода свыше 463 тыс. рублей, но доступно это будет только для высокооплачиваемых сотрудников. Если вспомнить про 13% НДФЛ и НДС, который тоже косвенно является налогом на зарплату, то многие предприниматели и руководители видят только один путь – назад, к "черным" схемам.

Курс посвящен поиску путей выживания компаний в новой ситуации при условии легальности всех выплат доходов физическим лицам. Участники узнают, как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать "зарплатные" налоги с учетом будущих изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменительной практики.

Программа:

1. Обзор изменений законодательства, связанных с повышением ставки страховых взносов. Сколько и каких налогов и взносов платят предприятия и ИП на общей системе налогообложения и спецрежимах в 2011 гг. Какие схемы стали невыгодными; у каких налогоплательщиков положение даже улучшилось.

2. Понятие и принципы налогового планирования: платить налоги, но не переплачивать. "Черные", "серые" и "белые" схемы. Классификация методов оптимизации налогообложения доходов физических лиц.

3. Использование специальных налоговых режимов:

 * в каком случае выплата зарплаты на спецрежимах сохраняет актуальность в 2011 г.;

 * дивидендные схемы – замена выплаты зарплате на "упрощенке"? Нюансы, рекомендации. Выплата квартальных дивидендов ежемесячно частями. Выплаты из прибыли в АО, ООО, производственном кооперативе ("народном предприятии"). Расчет эффективности,

 * договоры с предпринимателем: возмездного оказания услуг, выполнения работ, агентский, транспортные услуги, механизм трансфертных цен, штрафные санкции, аренда и пр. Расчет эффективности,

 * дарение физлицом наличных денег, заработанных в качестве предпринимателя: легальная альтернатива обналичиванию, дающая безналоговый доход? Выбор банков, проблемы, связанные с кассовой дисциплиной и политикой ЦБ. Текущая ситуация с обложением таких доходов НДФЛ.

4. Условия применения всех схем: Непритворный характер заключаемых сделок. Экономическая целесообразность расходов ("деловая цель", "легенда", отсутствие дублирующихся функций). Грамотное обоснование цен и документальное оформление расходов. Неаффилированность, прямые и косвенные признаки аффилированности, ее негативные последствия и когда она допустима; "искусственное дробление бизнеса с целью уклонения от уплаты налогов" (подход "как к ЮКОСу"); "деловые цели", обосновывающие деление бизнеса. Самостоятельность низконалоговых субъектов.

5. Использование вспомогательных организаций:
 * "инвалидные" организации и их филиалы, актуальность;
 * страховые компании. Страхование жизни работников и ДМС за счет предприятия.

6. Использование иностранных (низконалоговых) компаний. Корпоративные или личные пластиковые карты иностранных банков. Перевод на них или на карты российских банков зарплат, гонораров и иных легальных доходов от нерезидентов.

7. Как компенсировать "выпадение" отчислений в Пенсионный фонд на накопительную часть пенсии, в ФСС и ФОМС при применении налоговых схем, не предусматривающих выплату зарплаты.

8. Использование процентных займов от физлиц. Расчет эффективности.

9. Специальные методы. Все виды компенсаций (за несвоевременную выплату заработной платы, за использование личного имущества, за разъездной характер работы, "золотые парашюты" и др.). Выплата арендной платы. Закуп у физлиц ТМЦ. Суточные. Обучение сотрудников с заключением ученического договора, как способ налогового планирования.

10. Потребительское кредитование, компенсация процентов по ипотечным кредитам и другие эффективные способы замены заработной платы безналоговыми источниками материальной выгоды,

11. Создание недоимки по налогам с ФОТ на фирме, не обремененной активами – пример "серой" схемы (как нельзя "оптимизировать"!),

12. Способы подтверждения источников крупных расходов физлиц и когда это необходимо.

13. Ответы на вопросы. По желанию – индивидуальное экспресс-моделирование схем налогового планирования для компаний-участниц семинара.

За более подробной информацuей обpащайтеcь по тел: +7 (Ч95) 7Ч2-9.|*9_8 : 4-45/4-О/95
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From mail at digitalclub.ru  Thu Jan 27 05:14:00 2011
From: mail at digitalclub.ru (=?koi8-r?B?7cnOyc3J2sHDydEgzsHMz8fP1w==?=)
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08 Февраля
Тема: Налоговое планирование. Затратные механизмы для оптимизации НДС и налога на прибыль

(код Москвы). 792_2|22 <<>> 4Ч53266

Цель:
Курс посвящен изучению затратых механизмов с точки зрения их использования в схемах планирования по налогу на прибыль и (в той степени, в которой это возможно) НДС. В качестве затратных механизмов подробно рассматриваются различные услуги и работы, аренда (лизинг), лицензионные платежи (роялти), проценты по любым долговым обязательствам, штрафные санкции и др. Участники получат краткие индивидуальные консультации по тематике данного курса.

Программа:
1. Понятие и принципы налогового планирования: платить налоги, но не переплачивать. Как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать налоги с учетом будущих изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменения. "Черные","серые" и "белые" схемы.

2. Кто может быть участником "затратных" схем:
 * субъекты специальных налоговых режимов – ЕНВД и УСН, в т.ч. патентная система, а также субъекты УСН из "низконалоговых" регионов, где введена минимальная ставка единого налога при объекте "доходы минус расходы" (5%) на все или почти на все виды деятельности, а также простое товарищество с их участием,
 * зарубежные офшоры или связанные с ними компании-нерезиденты из респектабельных юрисдикций,
 * экзотические варианты: ИП на общей системе, физлица (при условии несистематичности извлечения дохода), "инвалидные" структуры, убыточные предприятия и фирмы, имеющие переплату НДС,

Незаконные варианты: "недобросовестные налогоплательщики" и контактирующие с ними риск-структуры ("белая" - "серая" - "черная" фирмы). Примеры "серых" схем с применением затратных механизмов (как нельзя "оптимизировать"!). Как не стать "недобросовестным".

3. Варианты затратных механизмов:
 * нефиктивные услуги, работы,
 * выплата процентов по долговым обязательствам. Включение процентов в расходы в любом размере,
 * платежи за использование и обслуживание объектов основных средств и нематериальных активов, в т.ч. франчайзинговые,
 * штрафные санкции, возмещение убытков, включая демередж и прочий простой,
 * платежи за увеличенный срок и/или объем гарантийных обязательств,
 * плата за залог или поручительство, делькредере.

4. Виды приемлимых услуг и работ:
 * различные работы по договору подряда (субподряда);
 * посреднические услуги по закупке или реализации товаров, а также связанные с закупкой и реализацией;
 * услуги управленческого характера: по передаче полномочий единоличного исполнительного органа, содействие в привлечении и возврате финансирования, плата за предоставление залога или поручительства, коллекторские, факторинг;
 * логистические: автотранспортные, экспедиторские, по техническому обслуживанию автотранспорта, погрузочно-разгрузочные работы, пакетирование, переупаковка, складская обработка товаров, (складское) хранение, а также все это в комплексе;
 * связанные с основными средствами: услуги по их содержанию, эксплуатации и техническому обслуживанию.

Распространенные "плохие" варианты "виртуальных" услуг и работ (информационные, консультационные, маркетинговые, рекламные, ремонт...). Когда они все же допустимы.

5. Минимизация рисков "затратных" схем. "Явные признаки налоговой схемы" и как их избегать. Отсутствие фикции. Наличие деловых целей, "легенда", отсутствие дублирующихся функций. Грамотное обоснование расходов и цен. Неаффилированность, прямые и косвенные признаки аффилированности, ее негативные последствия и когда она допустима; "искусственное дробление бизнеса с целью уклонения от уплаты налогов" (подход "как к ЮКОСу"); деловые цели, обосновывающие деление бизнеса. Самостоятельность участников "затратных" схем.

6. Иностранные низконалоговые компании в "затратных" схемах: проценты, роялти, аренда, услуги в России и за ее пределами и т.п. Выбор низконалоговых юрисдикций.

7. Ответы на вопросы. По желанию и при наличии возможности – индивидуальное экспресс-моделирование схем налогового планирования для компаний-участниц семинара.


Информацию можно получить по телефонам: \Моск. код/ 792_2i/22 : 445.З2/66
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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jan 27 14:04:31 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:04:31 +0100
Subject: Tor exits in .edu space
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:14:21 -0500
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O8 февраля 2011г.
Тема: Варианты затратных схем. Оптимизируем НДС и налога на прибыль

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Цель:
Курс посвящен изучению затратых механизмов с точки зрения их использования в схемах планирования по налогу на прибыль и (в той степени, в которой это возможно) НДС. В качестве затратных механизмов подробно рассматриваются различные услуги и работы, аренда (лизинг), лицензионные платежи (роялти), проценты по любым долговым обязательствам, штрафные санкции и др. Участники получат краткие индивидуальные консультации по тематике данного курса.

Программа:
1. Понятие и принципы налогового планирования: платить налоги, но не переплачивать. Как можно и как нельзя оптимизировать налоги с учетом будущих изменений законодательства, судебной практики и тенденций развития правоприменения. "Черные","серые" и "белые" схемы.

2. Кто может быть участником "затратных" схем:
 * субъекты специальных налоговых режимов √ ЕНВД и УСН, в т.ч. патентная система, а также субъекты УСН из "низконалоговых" регионов, где введена минимальная ставка единого налога при объекте "доходы минус расходы" (5%) на все или почти на все виды деятельности, а также простое товарищество с их участием,
 * зарубежные офшоры или связанные с ними компании-нерезиденты из респектабельных юрисдикций,
 * экзотические варианты: ИП на общей системе, физлица (при условии несистематичности извлечения дохода), "инвалидные" структуры, убыточные предприятия и фирмы, имеющие переплату НДС,

Незаконные варианты: "недобросовестные налогоплательщики" и контактирующие с ними риск-структуры ("белая" - "серая" - "черная" фирмы). Примеры "серых" схем с применением затратных механизмов (как нельзя "оптимизировать"!). Как не стать "недобросовестным".

3. Варианты затратных механизмов:
 * нефиктивные услуги, работы,
 * выплата процентов по долговым обязательствам. Включение процентов в расходы в любом размере,
 * платежи за использование и обслуживание объектов основных средств и нематериальных активов, в т.ч. франчайзинговые,
 * штрафные санкции, возмещение убытков, включая демередж и прочий простой,
 * платежи за увеличенный срок и/или объем гарантийных обязательств,
 * плата за залог или поручительство, делькредере.

4. Виды приемлимых услуг и работ:
 * различные работы по договору подряда (субподряда);
 * посреднические услуги по закупке или реализации товаров, а также связанные с закупкой и реализацией;
 * услуги управленческого характера: по передаче полномочий единоличного исполнительного органа, содействие в привлечении и возврате финансирования, плата за предоставление залога или поручительства, коллекторские, факторинг;
 * логистические: автотранспортные, экспедиторские, по техническому обслуживанию автотранспорта, погрузочно-разгрузочные работы, пакетирование, переупаковка, складская обработка товаров, (складское) хранение, а также все это в комплексе;
 * связанные с основными средствами: услуги по их содержанию, эксплуатации и техническому обслуживанию.

Распространенные "плохие" варианты "виртуальных" услуг и работ (информационные, консультационные, маркетинговые, рекламные, ремонт...). Когда они все же допустимы.

5. Минимизация рисков "затратных" схем. "Явные признаки налоговой схемы" и как их избегать. Отсутствие фикции. Наличие деловых целей, "легенда", отсутствие дублирующихся функций. Грамотное обоснование расходов и цен. Неаффилированность, прямые и косвенные признаки аффилированности, ее негативные последствия и когда она допустима; "искусственное дробление бизнеса с целью уклонения от уплаты налогов" (подход "как к ЮКОСу"); деловые цели, обосновывающие деление бизнеса. Самостоятельность участников "затратных" схем.

6. Иностранные низконалоговые компании в "затратных" схемах: проценты, роялти, аренда, услуги в России и за ее пределами и т.п. Выбор низконалоговых юрисдикций.

7. Ответы на вопросы. По желанию и при наличии возможности √ индивидуальное экспресс-моделирование схем налогового планирования для компаний-участниц семинара.


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From jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 28 07:07:40 2011
From: jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com (Sarad AV)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 07:07:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: seL4 Microkernel
Message-ID: <25805.59824.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"The L4.verified project
  A Formally Correct Operating System Kernel

L4.verified The University of New South Wales
 
Function calls in the seL4 kernel [What's this?]

In current software practice it is widely accepted that software will always have problems and that we will just have to live with the fact that it may crash at the worst possible moment: You might be on a deadline. Or, much scarier, you might be on a plane and there's a problem with the board computer.

Now think what we constantly want from software: more features, better performance, cheaper prices. And we want it everywhere: in mobile phones, cars, planes, critical infrastructure, defense systems.

What do we get? Mobile phones that can be hacked by SMS. Cars that have more software problems than mechanical ones. Planes where computer problems have lead to serious incidents. Computer viruses spreading through critical infrastructure control systems and defense systems. And we think "See, it happens to everybody." "

Full text in url below
http://ertos.org/research/l4.verified/

One of their papers from wilipedia's citations
http://www.sigops.org/sosp/sosp09/papers/klein-sosp09.pdf

Now, can all these above mentioned problems disappear with seL4 microkernel?

Thanks.




From zzretro999 at email2me.net  Fri Jan 28 04:27:29 2011
From: zzretro999 at email2me.net (zzretro999 at email2me.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 07:27:29 -0500
Subject: [OT] Republicons resume attacks on privacy
Message-ID: <mailman.2784.1576008175.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


 

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com>
To: or-talk at freehaven.net
Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Republicons resume attacks on privacy


> The Republicants are back to pushing data retention legislation. :-(

> http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html



http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9206379/DOJ_seeks_mandatory_data_retention_requirement_for_ISPs

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/01/26/0418200/DOJ-Seeks-Mandatory-Data-Retention-For-ISPs

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/01/27/0320209/Swedish-ISPs-To-Thwart-EU-Data-Retention-Law



Yeah. And two years is ridiculous. Back in the days of source spoofing,

internet miscreants were tracked for fun through multiple providers and

countries, it took just a few hours if the right people were awake.

Everyone had some form of authentication or location data. And pretty

much everyone kept it for about a month.

The data and subpoenas are there for any real 'exigent' purpose,

primarily because providers need it for their own internal business

purposes. LEO's just need to get off their duff, and if it's such small

potatoes that they don't, well then, by definition, who cares.



> I'd rather twist this into free promotion for TOR instead of hoping that

> some random goverment will /not/ do something like this.



I'd rather people keep writing congresscritters to keep it from happening,

for all the good reasons discussed elsewhere on the net.

Passage of such a law will promote anonymity networks in its own right.

While you're giving in, might as write the draft for them that bans

anonymity networks, because that will be next.



Torproject did a nice job with their new look and the tor users

page. And I know it's politically incorrect for them and hazardous

to the project, but in addition to mentioning China all over the

site as if it's the only twisted place in the world, the US, EU, etc

should get some lip service too by adding another section for normal

people that says 'irresponsible governments'...

"They protect their communications from irresponsible corporations."

Hollow: (intended)
In case anyone has forgotten, legislation was passed nearly eliminating the restrictions on cor-perps from spending as much
as they wish on political candidates. So, your Congresscritters will soon be (they already have been for decades), the Senator
from IBM, DOW, etc. They "no longer" represent you, the citizen. Writing them is like voting. It doesn't work in case you have 
forgotten the 2000 Pez-dispenser election.

It really isn't Republicons or Republicants. OR the Demons from the other party.  It's really AmeriCANTS. The only ones really taking any action,
who are motivated to take action, are those "taking AmeriCANTS actions away!" Most AmeriCANTS are doing nothing but talking or not talking.

Real action is what is needed and that isn't by trying to find new ways and places to hide. Those are running out. Running faster is going
nowhere also. Running further is coming to the end. In 2001, I believe they shut the internet down
completely in Germany, so Tor wouldn't work anyway.  What would is fighting back. Each and every day, in any way 
each person can find. Find something 'they' can do! Later is too late.

Oh, sorry, this is about Tor. Shucks.

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From: gil_hamilton at hotmail.com (Gil Hamilton)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:09:03 +0000
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From aj at sneep.net  Fri Jan 28 13:07:58 2011
From: aj at sneep.net (Alastair Johnson)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:07:58 -0800
Subject: Connectivity status for Egypt
Message-ID: <mailman.2785.1576008175.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On 1/28/2011 1:02 PM, Alexander Harrowell wrote:
> I wonder if anyone's working on a mesh or p-t-p radio app that runs on a
> smartphone?

Yes - came across http://www.servalproject.org/ from the linux.conf.au  
program.



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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Jan 28 05:25:38 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:25:38 +0100
Subject: [OT] Republicons resume attacks on privacy
Message-ID: <20110128132538.GM23560@leitl.org>

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From: exist at tire.ua (=?koi8-r?B?7sHMz8fP18/FINDMwc7J0s/Xwc7JxQ==?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:07:29 +0700
Subject: =?koi8-r?B?7sHMz8fP18/FINDMwc7J0s/Xwc7JxSDXIDIwMTEgxy4gIO/Q1MnNydrJ?=
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ТЕМА: Оптимальные налоговые схемы с учетом изменений налогового законодательства. Оптимизируем НДФЛ, страховые взносы.  Готовим затратные механизмы в налоговых схемах.

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The Tahoe-LAFS team is pleased to announce the immediate
availability of version 1.8.2 of Tahoe-LAFS, an extremely
reliable distributed storage system. Get it here:

http://tahoe-lafs.org/source/tahoe/trunk/docs/quickstart.html

Tahoe-LAFS is the first distributed storage system to offer
"provider-independent security" b meaning that not even the
operators of your storage servers can read or alter your data
without your consent. Here is the one-page explanation of its
unique security and fault-tolerance properties:

http://tahoe-lafs.org/source/tahoe/trunk/docs/about.html

The previous stable release of Tahoe-LAFS was v1.8.1, which was
released October 28, 2010 [1].

v1.8.2 is a stable bugfix release, adding compatibility with
the recently-released Twisted-10.2, and correcting a number of
minor issues. See the NEWS file [2] for details.


WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?

With Tahoe-LAFS, you distribute your filesystem across
multiple servers, and even if some of the servers fail or are
taken over by an attacker, the entire filesystem continues to
work correctly, and continues to preserve your privacy and
security. You can easily share specific files and directories
with other people.

In addition to the core storage system itself, volunteers
have built other projects on top of Tahoe-LAFS and have
integrated Tahoe-LAFS with existing systems, including
Windows, JavaScript, iPhone, Android, Hadoop, Flume, Django,
Puppet, bzr, mercurial, perforce, duplicity, TiddlyWiki, and
more. See the Related Projects page on the wiki [3].

We believe that strong cryptography, Free and Open Source
Software, erasure coding, and principled engineering practices
make Tahoe-LAFS safer than RAID, removable drive, tape,
on-line backup or cloud storage.

This software is developed under test-driven development, and
there are no known bugs or security flaws which would
compromise confidentiality or data integrity under recommended
use. (For all important issues that we are currently aware of
please see the known_issues.rst file [4].)


COMPATIBILITY

This release is compatible with the version 1 series of
Tahoe-LAFS. Clients from this release can write files and
directories in the format used by clients of all versions back
to v1.0 (which was released March 25, 2008). Clients from this
release can read files and directories produced by clients of
all versions since v1.0. Servers from this release can serve
clients of all versions back to v1.0 and clients from this
release can use servers of all versions back to v1.0.

This is the thirteenth release in the version 1 series. This
series of Tahoe-LAFS will be actively supported and maintained
for the forseeable future, and future versions of Tahoe-LAFS
will retain the ability to read and write files compatible
with this series.


LICENCE

You may use this package under the GNU General Public License,
version 2 or, at your option, any later version. See the file
"COPYING.GPL" [5] for the terms of the GNU General Public
License, version 2.

You may use this package under the Transitive Grace Period
Public Licence, version 1 or, at your option, any later
version. (The Transitive Grace Period Public Licence has
requirements similar to the GPL except that it allows you to
delay for up to twelve months after you redistribute a derived
work before releasing the source code of your derived work.)
See the file "COPYING.TGPPL.html" [6] for the terms of the
Transitive Grace Period Public Licence, version 1.

(You may choose to use this package under the terms of either
licence, at your option.)


INSTALLATION

Tahoe-LAFS works on Linux, Mac OS X, Windows, Cygwin, Solaris,
*BSD, and probably most other systems. Start with
"docs/quickstart.html" [7].


HACKING AND COMMUNITY

Please join us on the mailing list [8]. Patches are gratefully
accepted -- the RoadMap page [9] shows the next improvements
that we plan to make and CREDITS [10] lists the names of people
who've contributed to the project. The Dev page [11] contains
resources for hackers.


SPONSORSHIP

Tahoe-LAFS was originally developed by Allmydata, Inc., a
provider of commercial backup services. After discontinuing
funding of Tahoe-LAFS R&D in early 2009, they continued
to provide servers, bandwidth, small personal gifts as tokens
of appreciation, and bug reports.

Google, Inc. sponsored Tahoe-LAFS development as part of the
Google Summer of Code 2010. They awarded four sponsorships to
students from around the world to hack on Tahoe-LAFS that
summer.

Thank you to Allmydata and Google for their generous and
public-spirited support.


HACK TAHOE-LAFS!

If you can find a security flaw in Tahoe-LAFS which is serious
enough that we feel compelled to warn our users and issue a fix,
then we will award you with a customized t-shirts with your
exploit printed on it and add you to the "Hack Tahoe-LAFS Hall
Of Fame" [12].


ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

This is the seventh release of Tahoe-LAFS to be created solely
as a labor of love by volunteers. Thank you very much to the
team of "hackers in the public interest" who make Tahoe-LAFS
possible.

Brian Warner
on behalf of the Tahoe-LAFS team

January 30, 2011
San Francisco, California, USA


[1] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/browser/relnotes.txt?rev=4865
[2] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/browser/NEWS?rev=5000
[3] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/wiki/RelatedProjects
[4] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/browser/docs/known_issues.rst
[5] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/browser/COPYING.GPL
[6] http://tahoe-lafs.org/source/tahoe/trunk/COPYING.TGPPL.html
[7] http://tahoe-lafs.org/source/tahoe/trunk/docs/quickstart.html
[8] http://tahoe-lafs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tahoe-dev
[9] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/roadmap
[10] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/browser/CREDITS?rev=5000
[11] http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe/wiki/Dev
[12] http://tahoe-lafs.org/hacktahoelafs/
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From patrice at xs4all.nl  Mon Jan 31 07:43:26 2011
From: patrice at xs4all.nl (Patrice Riemens)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:43:26 +0100
Subject: <nettime> Farah Stockman: Foreign activists stay covered online
	(Boston Globe)
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bwo Michael Polman/ Antenna

original at:
http://www.boston.com/news/world/africa/articles/2011/01/30/mass_groups_software_helps_avoid_censorship/
(http://bit.ly/hbeghy)

Foreign activists stay covered online
Mass group's software helps avoid censorship

A Walpole-based group of Internet activists known as Tor is playing a key
role in helping Egyptians get around Internet censorship during this
current political turmoil.

Over the last three days, 120,000 people - most of them Egyptian - have
downloaded Tor software, which helps activists protect their identity from
surveillance by repressive regimes and get around blocked sites, according
to Andrew Lewman, executive director of Tor, which provides the software
for free.

"We saw this huge amount of traffic,44 said Lewman, who said the group
normally gets about 20,000 downloads a day worldwide. "We started looking
at what was going on and the Internet service provider called us and said,
`You are getting a huge amount of requests from Egypt.4 It didn4t look
like an attack. It looked like a flash crowd.44

Most of the downloads occurred just before the Egyptian government ordered
a near-total block of the Internet on Thursday night, but usage remains
high through the few pathways to the Internet that remain.

It is not the first time that Tor, which was formed in 2001 after two MIT
students developed the anonymity software with a US Navy laboratory, has
found itself in the center of a political uprising.

Iranian activists downloaded its software en masse during the massive
protests after the contested 2009 presidential elections, and China has
repeatedly tried to block Tor downloads and denied visas to Tor4s
activists, who have trained people from over 20 countries, including
China, at workshops in Hong Kong and Europe.

"It is plain that tools like Tor can be enormously value,44 said John
Palfrey, co-director of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at
Harvard University, who did a study of software that activists use,
including Tor. Since only the most tech-savvy know how to use such
software, "there is enormous value in trainings and they pay dividends in
crisis moments like this,44 he said.

The group, which employs about 10 people, runs a network of about 2,500
computers around the world manned by volunteers who help the anonymous
network run. It registered as a nonprofit in 2006 and receives about 75
percent of its funding from the US government.

About a year ago, Tor set up a special system just for Tunisian activists
to protect their identity. So when the Tunisian government began
monitoring Facebook pages and Twitter accounts during the recent uprising
in Tunisia, "those people were already protected,44 Lewman said.

In December 2009, Jacob Appelbaum, one of Tor4s main software developers,
traveled to Cairo and held workshops for human rights activists on how to
use the software to avoid surveillance on the Internet.

The workshop appears to have paid off. As protests swelled in Egypt in
recent days, so many people rushed to download Tor that one of its servers
crashed on Thursday. They managed to keep their service up and running,
but the downloads from Egypt plummeted Thursday night after the government
apparently ordered a near-total block on Internet service.

An estimated 91 percent of routes to the Internet in Egypt were down in a
matter of hours, according to Andree Toonk, the Dutch founder and lead
developer of BGPMon.net, which monitors the Internet and routing.

But a few paths to the Internet have remained, and those who use them are
continuing to use Tor, creating a spike in use despite the near-blackout
in online communication.

One Internet service provider, a company called Noor, was left unaffected
perhaps because it services banks or the Egyptian stock market, Toonk
said. That means that it is probably being closely scrutinized by the
Egyptian intelligence service, making anonymity software all the more
crucial, Tor activists said.

"People in Egypt right now that are using the Internet really need to
cover their tracks,44 said Appelbaum by telephone from Seattle. "Let4s
pretend that the government doesn4t fall. . . . We don4t know if they have
analysts working in real time to try to find activists, and we are trying
to make sure that people have access to Tor, so that people aren4t hunted
down in the streets.44

Appelbaum, who also works with WikiLeaks, suggested that the Internet
activists in Egypt who are using Tor to conceal their identities are not
merely organizing meetings in the streets, but may also be engaging in
on-line resistance activities, such as disrupting the Egyptian stock
market or banking activities.

"One of the ways to hit the Egyptian government where it hurts . . . is to
target the stock exchange, knock it off line or disrupt its activities, as
a method of protest,44 he said.

He said he is not involved in such activities, but that he witnessed
online discussions among Egyptian activists talking about taking such
actions.

Appelbaum is also part of a separate group of activists that is trying to
establish a satellite link to Egypt.

Steven A. Cook, a specialist on democracy movements in the Middle East who
just returned from Cairo, said that the Egyptian government4s
unprecedented attempt to shut off the Internet had done little to quell
the protests.

"Shutting off the Internet has done nothing to prevent the world from
seeing what is going on,44 he said. "It didn4t matter anymore because
people were coming out into the streets regardless.44




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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Jan 31 08:41:20 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:41:20 +0100
Subject: Fwd: [austin-hacker-space] SneakerMeshes and PirateBoxes
Message-ID: <20110131164120.GF23560@leitl.org>

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From: Brandon Wiley <brandon at blanu.net>
Date: Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:58 AM
Subject: [austin-hacker-space] SneakerMeshes and PirateBoxes
To: austin-hacker-space at googlegroups.com


I've been thinking a lot about what's going on in Egypt with the Internet
being cut off. (see my blog post <http://goo.gl/f2iQV> for more background
info)
This has led me to thinking about the formation of a file sharing network
not connected to the Internet in which the connections between nodes are
people. Basically mesh networking meets sneakernet, or in other words a
SneakerMesh.

Essentially each participating location would have a Wifi access point which
provided a captive portal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_portal> to a
website where you could upload and download files (similar to the USB dead
drop <http://deaddrops.com/> project), The interesting twist I want to
implement is that instead of just uploading and downloading separately to
each file repository you synchronize your phone or laptop or other
wifi-enabled device to the repository. Then when you are at a different
location that has an active node you can synchronize again. As long as
people "check in" at multiple nodes then the nodes will be synchronized. The
ultimate goal here is to build something like Internet newsgroups, only with
offline storage as the mechanism of message propagation instead of the
Internet (and better support for non-text files).

Someone has already made a pretty nice start on this by designing the
PirateBox <http://wiki.daviddarts.com/Main_Page>, which is an application
for OpenWRT that turns a wireless router into a standalone captive portal
for uploading and downloading files. There is even a .ipk
file<https://github.com/cr/mkPirateBox>you can install on a fresh
OpenWRT instance to install it. The PirateBox
just needs to be augmented with an API for synchronization in order to get a
basic proof of concept working.

There are certainly a lot of details to work out and as with anything
involving protocols there are a lot of issues which could be debated
endlessly. However, let us boldly move forward anyway! So if you're
interested in this, please consider joining the project. The first step is
to get at least 2 wireless routers with USB storage running
OpenWRT/PirateBox. I saw some wireless routers on the hack shelf. I don't
know if they are OpenWRT compatible or if they have USB. I'm certainly no
expert on hacking wireless routers, so if anyone knows what they're doing
and what's to get involved then I think that would be great. I'll be at the
meeting on Tuesday if anyone wants to discuss next steps.

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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Jan 31 08:49:47 2011
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:49:47 +0100
Subject: Connectivity status for Egypt
Message-ID: <20110131164947.GH23560@leitl.org>

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Внимание изменения! Нововведения в таможенном законодательстве: новые формы  таможенных  деклараций и новый порядок  декларирования, контроля и корректировки таможенной стоимости товаров с 01 января 2011 года
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Образование Таможенного союза и единой таможенной территории привело к значительным изменениям в таможенном законодательстве. С 1 июля 2010 года вступил в силу Таможенный кодекс  Таможенного союза.

С 01 января 2011 года на единой таможенной территории таможенного союза вступают в силу:

 * новые формы бланков декларации на товары (решение Комиссии таможенного союза №257 от 20 мая 2010 года) и транзитной декларации (решение Комиссии таможенного союза № 289 от 18 июня 2010 года)

 * инструкция о порядке заполнения декларации на товары (утвержденная в окончательной редакции решением Комиссии таможенного союза №379 от 20 сентября 2010 года)

 * инструкция о порядке заполнения транзитной декларации (решение Комиссии таможенного союза №289 от 18 июня 2010 года)

 * новые классификаторы, используемые для заполнения таможенных деклараций (решение Комиссии таможенного союза №378 от 20 сентября 2010 года)

 * новый порядок декларирования таможенной стоимости и новые формы бланков декларации таможенной стоимости (ДТС и ДТС-1) и корректировки таможенной стоимости и таможенных платежей (КТС) (решение Комиссии таможенного союза № 376 от 20.09.2010 года)

Цель:

 * ознакомить участников ВЭД с особенностями заполнения новых форм деклараций, изменениями в классификаторах, используемых для заполнения таможенных деклараций.
 
 * подготовить участников ВЭД к практической работе в условиях действия новых нормативно-правовых документов таможенного союза, регламентирующих вопросы определения, декларирования, контроля и корректировки таможенной стоимости товаров

 * обсудить проблемы правоприменительной практики по вопросам таможенной стоимости, в том числе дать ответы на вопросы участников ВЭД по актуальным проблемам определения и контроля таможенной стоимости товаров

Программа:
1. Новая форма таможенной декларации: особенности заполнения

 * Изменения в порядке заполнения декларации на товары (ДТ) при декларировании товаров, ввозимых (ввезенных) на таможенную территорию Таможенного союза

 * Особенности заполнения новой формы декларации на товары, вывозимые с таможенной территории Таможенного союза

 * Порядок внесения изменений и (или) дополнений в сведения, заявленные в декларации на товары, до и после выпуска товаров

 * Особенности заполнения графы 47 "Исчисление платежей"

2. Классификаторы и перечни нормативно-справочной информации, используемые для заПолнения таможенных деклараций. Основные изменения.

3. Транзитная декларация: новая форма и правила ее заполнения.

4. Особенности электронного и интернет декларирования.

5. Законодательство Таможенного союза по вопросам таможенной стоимости товаров

 * Таможенный кодекс Таможенного союза

 * Соглашение по определению таможенной стоимости товаров, перемещаемых через таможенную границу Таможенного союза;

 * Решения Комиссии таможенного союза по вопросам таможенной стоимости товаров:

 * порядок декларирования таможенной стоимости товаров

 * порядок контроля таможенной стоимости товаров

 * порядок корректировки таможенной стоимости товаров

 * новые формы бланков декларации (ДТС и ДТС-1) и корректировки таможенной стоимости  (КТС).

6. Практические проблемы заявления, контроля и корректировки таможенной стоимости товаров

 * решения, принимаемые таможенными органами в ходе таможенного контроля

 * дополнительная проверка заявленной таможенной стоимости товаров

 * корректировка таможенной стоимости товаров

 * порядок обжалования в арбитражных судах решений таможенных органов по вопросам корректировки таможенной стоимости


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