Decentralizing the Internet So Big Brother Can’t Find You
measl at mfn.org
Thu Feb 17 13:22:49 PST 2011
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, John Case wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> > This seems preety hefty on ambition and pretty low on details. Is he
> > planning on these wal-wart "servers" acting as TOR nodes? Universally
> > accessable wifi spots? FreeNet nodes, or LAFS servers?
> > I think what bugs me the most here is that the basic premise appears
> > intrinsically flawed: On Inet-1, everyone can see who you are - it's an
> > artifact of the construction goals originally designed for.
> > I'd want to see some more meat and less fluff before I looked any deeper.
> The (obvious) meme going around is "we'll just set up a mesh".
> You can stop reading when you see that. A mesh network that does the things
> these people want it to do is currently rocket-science hard.
I'm tired of hearing the current calls for "mesh networks" myself. As you
point out, they are *incredibly* complex, and these "wall-wart servers"
aren't going to implement that kind of thing IMO. Christ, large ISPs
still have trouble with simple IP, and they have "trained [or] experienced
'engineers'". It's a silly call to arms at this point.
I was with a group that tried to work out a mesh implementation across a
relatively small (~15sq miles) area, and it never came to fruition,
despite several years of work on the problems presented.
> It can be done, and I'd be the first one celebrating, but from the mouths of
> these morons its just mental masturbation.
I don't even see *that* coming from this particular ?press release?. Just
a "build it and people will do it" [hrmm.. Build it and They will come".
Where have I heard *that* before?] theme, with no particular goal in mind
other than wide "implementation (which is glaringly undefined)". Whats
the point, and how do I know that these guys are even competent to decide
on a goal - just because they're with EFF? A lawyer who likes to code is
a *long* way from the kind of talent that can make these little things
useful for anything more than maybe [sntp server||dns server-small||etc.).
Has anyone looked at the scaling problems of having these warts fully
disseminated into the population, and "plugged in"?
Like I said, it sounds like some vague, undefined project that nobody has
yet actually looked at with any seriousness.
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