[IP] US fraction of world's traffic

[Tyler Durden]

To put it succinctly, this legislation was not motivated by the desire to do
something new, but just to not catch legal trouble for doing it.

-TD

> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:46:28 +0100
> From: eugen at leitl.org
> To: info at postbiota.org; cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
> Subject: [IP] US fraction of world's traffic
>
> ----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave at farber.net> -----
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> From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:28:52 -0800
> To: ip <ip at v2.listbox.com>
> Subject: [IP] US fraction of world's traffic
> Reply-To: dave at farber.net
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>
> ________________________________________
> From: David P. Reed [dpreed at reed.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:56 AM
> To: David Farber
> Cc: ip; Whitfield Diffie
> Subject: Re: [IP] US fraction of world's traffic
>
> I would think that the more interesting question is not the official
> one, but the correct one.  To the extent that NSA uses this as a tool
> for claiming that monitoring calls from country A to country B is
> legitimate, the "correct" answer matters more.  There seems to be some
> dim, secret ruling (perhaps in FISA) that says that it is legal to
> intercept bits that pass through the US.
>
> If I were the NSA, and I claim (without being able to prove the
> negative) that I'm not, I would pursue the following strategy:
>
>     1. find a way to tamper with foreign switches to route
> communications through the US based facilities.  Easy - just send the
> right routing-table updates - whether IP or SS7, this is pretty easy.
>
>     2. install deep packet inspection equipment.  This is becoming COTS,
> with sales to ISPs starting to drive costs down ane performance up.
>
>     3. select and record into a high-performance RAID cluster.  COTS.
>
> Same techniques work remarkably well for tapping and recording
> competitor and economic target traffic.
>
> Interesting thought.   To tap US-US communications, why not just route
> the traffic out through Gitmo and back?   There also seems to be dim
> secret rulings that allow spying on traffic that goes across the
> border.   Supposedly the legal framework is about calls that "terminate"
> outside the US.   But I'm sure that "terminate" can be carefully
> redefined by good legal scholarship and a few pet lawyers in DoJ and DoD
> to include something like storing on disk for one disk rotation (17
> msec) and then resending it.
>
> All hypothetically, of course.  :-)
>
> David Farber wrote:
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Whitfield Diffie [whitfield.diffie at sun.com]
> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:02 PM
> > To: David Farber
> > Subject: US fraction of world's traffic
> >
> >                                 Monday  14 January 2008  at 09:55
> >
> >     Have you yet been pestered with the following question:
> >
> >         Any chance you can help me discern the percentage of the world's
> >         phone calls and e-mails that pass through U.S.-based equipment?
> >
> > This seems like an FCC or DoC sort of question that must have an oficial
answer
> > if you know where to look for it.  Do you know where it resides?
> >
> >
> >                                         Whit
> >
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