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They give us a tremendous gift >that allows us to participate in unpopular or even dangerous political >speech and debate, to by-pass inappropriately restrictive filters, and to >limit the amount of information about ourselves that we reveal to the >organizations who run the Internet sites we access. I don't wish to divulge >some of the ways in which I've used tor to protect myself, but I'm sure all >of you reading this list can think of many examples where it has assisted >you in your own life and most of you use it on a frequent basis. All of >this comes at the cost of time and money from many volunteers who receive no >benefit whatsoever from relaying your traffic for you. Actually, there are benefits, some of which are even pointed out in various web pages and/or documents available at www.torproject.org. One is that running a server helps to hide your client's traffic by mixing it in with all the traffic relayed for others. Another is that each server's presence increases the overall capacity for traffic going through the tor network, thereby providing support for even bigger crowds of packets and circuits for your own to be concealed among. > >It seems to me, however, that even this gracious act of charity may be no >match for the types of attacks we may be faced with as we become more >popular and, as a result, more of a target. The number of users running tor >nodes pales in comparison to the number of computers that may be in any one >of the many individual botnets, which are groups of hijacked computers >controlled in unison by a single entity. The largest of these botnets ever >discovered had over 1,000 times the number of nodes that tor does. What >happens when one of these botnets are commanded to join tor all at once and >begin harvesting private data that people naively did not encrypt or, worse, >replacing all pictures requested with goatse.jpg? These and other malicious The problem of corrupted exit servers is indeed one that we should all ponder until a solution may be found. However, setting up, say, 1,000 hidden, slaved, correctly configured tor servers via a bot net may be rather more difficult to accomplish than you have fully considered. Entry guards and middlemen probably wouldn't be useful to an attack coordinator. >acts could easily take place, perhaps even perpetrated by a malevolent >government entity, and would cause significant disruption to our router. > >We must take expedient measures to prevent this type of attack, because as >of now, tor is quite vulnerable, perhaps even critically so. The group of >computers that make up the official Network Time Protocol pool, a network >that is used to provide extremely accurate time synchronization for millions >of computers around the world, has a manually administrated list. Since it >has about as many nodes on it as tor has, it suggests that maintaining such >a list would not be difficult. It seems to me that this would be an >excellent way to prevent a node flood attack. Without it, tor will be rot. > Again, I think you may well be underestimating the manpower required to install and configure lare numbers of tor servers. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE From ronwireman at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 22:57:01 2008 From: ronwireman at gmail.com (Ron Wireman) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:57:01 -0500 Subject: The use of malicious botnets to disrupt The Onion Router Message-ID: It seems to me that we owe a lot the roughly 1,500 people who donate their bandwidth to our project at any one time. They give us a tremendous gift that allows us to participate in unpopular or even dangerous political speech and debate, to by-pass inappropriately restrictive filters, and to limit the amount of information about ourselves that we reveal to the organizations who run the Internet sites we access. I don't wish to divulge some of the ways in which I've used tor to protect myself, but I'm sure all of you reading this list can think of many examples where it has assisted you in your own life and most of you use it on a frequent basis. All of this comes at the cost of time and money from many volunteers who receive no benefit whatsoever from relaying your traffic for you. It seems to me, however, that even this gracious act of charity may be no match for the types of attacks we may be faced with as we become more popular and, as a result, more of a target. 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(ie, there's maybe a dozen in the whole world at any one time, over millions of route miles). Whether these are JbT-type terrorists is, I think, doubtful given the revenues traveling over these things and particularly how ineffective the cuts were. The cuts certainly appeared to me to be attempts to get a working+protect sides of fiber rings by people who didn't have access to that level of detail about how the rings are deployed over the wavelength/fiber/cable pairs. -TD > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:05:07 -0800e> To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net> From: bill.stewart at pobox.com> Subject: Re: undersea cable cuts> > > Hadn't heard this was malicious ... you have a reference?> > The fourth failure turned out not to be a cable cut,> just some kind of equipment power problem.> > Certainly once the third cut happened,> things look pretty suspicious even if they don't turn out deserve it.> And there are different kinds of terrorists out there -> the ones that wear government uniforms (or wear cheap suits> but work for governments) don't always take the credit themselves.> > At 07:35 PM 2/4/2008, Sarad AV wrote:> >'terrorists' take credit and are proud of their actions.> >nothing of that kind has happened yet.> >I guess that satellite communication is another alternative.> > Satellites have very limited bandwidth compared to fiber.> They may be ok for countries that don't have useful infrastructure,> like Iraq, Afghanistan, and most of Africa,> but they don't begin to replace the internet or private network connectivity> that was on the fiber systems that were cut;> I don't know how big the fourth cable was. _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From camera_lumina at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 12:26:23 2008 From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:26:23 -0500 Subject: Sec Ops Head, UK Message-ID: BTW, a friend of mine is looking for a head of Sec Ops for a large bank in the UK. 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The Wonderful World of Cheney By Hunter / Daily Kos Cheney spoke yesterday at CPAC, the conference for people for whom reality is just an illusion foisted upon them by a cold and liberal universe. (The universe, you see, is full of dark matter called Librons, which in addition to keeping the universe from flying apart like Ann Coulter in front of a television camera, have the unfortunate side effect of inverting perceptions of reality for all but the most trained Randian observers. Oh, and Scientologists.) I'm supposed to say, at this point, something like "you can't make this up", but of course you can make this stuff up. It's easy to make it up. That's the whole point. Some highlights ... As conservatives, we believe in a government that takes up a smaller share of the national income, that treats tax dollars with respect and restraint. And we believe in a government that keeps to its limits under the Constitution, never expanding beyond the consent of the governed. And then, he farted candy and rainbows. And all the little woodland creatures came out from under the floorboards to help sew him a magnificent new dress for the ball. The United States is a country that takes human rights seriously. We do not torture -- it's against our laws and against our values. We're proud of our country and what it stands for. [...] America is a fair and a decent country. (Applause.) President Bush has made it clear, both publicly and privately, that our duty to uphold the laws and standards of this nation admit no exceptions in wartime. As he put it, "We are in a fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is, live by them. And at that point, the Constitution Fairy sprinkled her magic Constitution dust over the land, and all the tapes of the CIA torturing prisoners magically erased themselves, and the waterboarded detainees became un-waterboarded, and the vast program of illegal domestic espionage -- so critical to our national security that President George Constitution Bush has threatened to veto all FISA legislation, for all time, unless everyone involved gets retroactive amnesty for their illegal acts -- suddenly became Constitutional. To prevail in the long run, we have to remove the conditions that inspire such blind, prideful hatred that drove 19 men to get into airplanes and come kill us. And so the President made the decision: We wouldn't just remove the Taliban and Saddam Hussein and let other dictators rise in their place. 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Pointing out that "a smaller share of the national income" means "a larger share", that "restrained" spending means "more" spending, that "keeping to the limits of the Constitution" means breaking those limits, that "no torture" means "torture", and that "9/11" means anything else he wants it to mean at any moment in time: pointing those things out are uncouth activities to be delegated to people like Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Keith Olbermann, and a handful of crazy, uncivilized blogs. And we're reduced to just making fun of it, because really -- what else are you going to do? How do you refute something that's self-refuting? Go figure. * Permalink _______________________________________________ med-events mailing list med-events at ccm-l.org http://ccm-l.org/mailman/listinfo/med-events From measl at mfn.org Fri Feb 8 15:36:30 2008 From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:36:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: undersea cable cuts In-Reply-To: References: <786554.80675.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080204215340.056f4eb0@pop.idiom.com> Message-ID: Um, thats *five* cuts. And not random cuts either - they are specifically targetting both sides of the rings. This is someone who truly understands the tech - they are not just cutting random cables, they are cutting the right cables in the right sequence. I have been having an offline talk with a small group since this started, and none of us believed it was "random" after cut #4, and I am pretty certain everyone of us believes it's a pro. The question is *who*? The parche is in fact decomm'd (one of the group checked on it's pyhsical status); and there are only two countries suspected of having the required type of sub (Israel and Russia) besides the US. I would have thought Israel but for the heavy targetting of French property, and I cant find any reason for it to be Russia other than there is nobody else. Of course, I dont see what the various spook facilities do, so who knows, maybe everyone has sea-floor open to the water cable subs docking these days? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF What religion, please tell me, tells you as a follower of that religion to occupy another country and kill its people? Please tell me. Does Christianity tell its followers to do that? Judaism, for that matter? Islam, for that matter? What prophet tells you to send 160,000 troops to another country, kill men, women, and children? You just can't wear your religion on your sleeve or just go to church. You should be truthfully religious. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Tyler Durden wrote: > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:21:26 -0500 > From: Tyler Durden > To: Bill Stewart , cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net > Subject: RE: undersea cable cuts > > There's been lots of net speculation about maliciousness, but for me the odds > of 3/4 failures of undersea cables in such a relatively small area and over > such a short amount of time is extremely suspicious, particularly given how > robust such cables are. (ie, there's maybe a dozen in the whole world at any > one time, over millions of route miles). > > Whether these are JbT-type terrorists is, I think, doubtful given the revenues > traveling over these things and particularly how ineffective the cuts were. > The cuts certainly appeared to me to be attempts to get a working+protect > sides of fiber rings by people who didn't have access to that level of detail > about how the rings are deployed over the wavelength/fiber/cable pairs. > > -TD > > > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:05:07 -0800e> To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net> From: > bill.stewart at pobox.com> Subject: Re: undersea cable cuts> > > Hadn't heard > this was malicious ... you have a reference?> > The fourth failure turned out > not to be a cable cut,> just some kind of equipment power problem.> > > Certainly once the third cut happened,> things look pretty suspicious even if > they don't turn out deserve it.> And there are different kinds of terrorists > out there -> the ones that wear government uniforms (or wear cheap suits> but > work for governments) don't always take the credit themselves.> > At 07:35 PM > 2/4/2008, Sarad AV wrote:> >'terrorists' take credit and are proud of their > actions.> >nothing of that kind has happened yet.> >I guess that satellite > communication is another alternative.> > Satellites have very limited > bandwidth compared to fiber.> They may be ok for countries that don't have > useful infrastructure,> like Iraq, Afghanistan, and most of Africa,> but they > don't begin to replace the internet or private network connectivity> that was > on the fiber systems that were cut;> I don't know how big the fourth cable > was. > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your > "fix". > http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From mhunt7 at cox.net Fri Feb 8 15:25:46 2008 From: mhunt7 at cox.net (Bertram Gilmore) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:25:46 -0300 Subject: '08 Collection of Prada Gucci Dior Chanel & More Top Designer Shoes Message-ID: <612296021.39898300274342@cox.net> Enjoy DIRECT PRICING at more than 65% OFF on a wide variety of 2008 Collections from Versace, Prada, Chanel, Dior & More. 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That said, these cables are not easy to break, not even by large boat anchors: The cost of fixing a less engineered design would rapidly make it worthwhile to ensure they can withstand a LOT, and they can. So I think it's worthwhile considering who has the ability to do this sans clever tactics. I was actually surprised to hear that two cables in close proximity were broken and considered that not a coincidence. After three the pattern was becoming clear. -TD> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:36:30 -0600> From: measl at mfn.org> To: camera_lumina at hotmail.com> CC: bill.stewart at pobox.com; cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net> Subject: RE: undersea cable cuts> > > Um, thats *five* cuts. And not random cuts either - they are specifically > targetting both sides of the rings. This is someone who truly understands > the tech - they are not just cutting random cables, they are cutting the > right cables in the right sequence.> > I have been having an offline talk with a small group since this started, > and none of us believed it was "random" after cut #4, and I am pretty > certain everyone of us believes it's a pro.> > The question is *who*? The parche is in fact decomm'd (one of the group > checked on it's pyhsical status); and there are only two countries > suspected of having the required type of sub (Israel and Russia) besides > the US. I would have thought Israel but for the heavy targetting of > French property, and I cant find any reason for it to be Russia other than > there is nobody else. Of course, I dont see what the various spook > facilities do, so who knows, maybe everyone has sea-floor open to the > water cable subs docking these days?> > -- > Yours,> J.A. Terranson> sysadmin_at_mfn.org> 0xBD4A95BF> > > What religion, please tell me, tells you as a follower of that religion> to occupy another country and kill its people? Please tell me. Does> Christianity tell its followers to do that? Judaism, for that matter?> Islam, for that matter? What prophet tells you to send 160,000 troops> to another country, kill men, women, and children? You just can't wear> your religion on your sleeve or just go to church. You should be> truthfully religious.> > Mahmoud Ahmadinejad> > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Tyler Durden wrote:> > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:21:26 -0500> > From: Tyler Durden > > To: Bill Stewart , cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net> > Subject: RE: undersea cable cuts> > > > There's been lots of net speculation about maliciousness, but for me the odds> > of 3/4 failures of undersea cables in such a relatively small area and over> > such a short amount of time is extremely suspicious, particularly given how> > robust such cables are. (ie, there's maybe a dozen in the whole world at any> > one time, over millions of route miles).> > > > Whether these are JbT-type terrorists is, I think, doubtful given the revenues> > traveling over these things and particularly how ineffective the cuts were.> > The cuts certainly appeared to me to be attempts to get a working+protect> > sides of fiber rings by people who didn't have access to that level of detail> > about how the rings are deployed over the wavelength/fiber/cable pairs.> > > > -TD> > > > > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:05:07 -0800e> To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net> From:> > bill.stewart at pobox.com> Subject: Re: undersea cable cuts> > > Hadn't heard> > this was malicious ... you have a reference?> > The fourth failure turned out> > not to be a cable cut,> just some kind of equipment power problem.> >> > Certainly once the third cut happened,> things look pretty suspicious even if> > they don't turn out deserve it.> And there are different kinds of terrorists> > out there -> the ones that wear government uniforms (or wear cheap suits> but> > work for governments) don't always take the credit themselves.> > At 07:35 PM> > 2/4/2008, Sarad AV wrote:> >'terrorists' take credit and are proud of their> > actions.> >nothing of that kind has happened yet.> >I guess that satellite> > communication is another alternative.> > Satellites have very limited> > bandwidth compared to fiber.> They may be ok for countries that don't have> > useful infrastructure,> like Iraq, Afghanistan, and most of Africa,> but they> > don't begin to replace the internet or private network connectivity> that was> > on the fiber systems that were cut;> I don't know how big the fourth cable> > was.> > _________________________________________________________________> > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your> > "fix".> > http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx> > _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From morlockelloi at yahoo.com Sat Feb 9 10:38:03 2008 From: morlockelloi at yahoo.com (Morlock Elloi) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:38:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: undersea cable cuts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <443191.3101.qm@web35206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cable cutting, if that's what it is, impairs two domains: data harvesting (as there is less to harvest) and cost/quality of the affected communications. These two domains cannot possibly belong to the same side of the Conflict. I find affecting data harvesting to be improbable, so it's either: - done by the affected principalities themselves as a neat way to limit undesired communications for their own subjects; - or a spook agency doing a live "what if comms go away" testing in irrelevant parts of the world; - or a previously undiscovered natural phenomenon (mutant laser-head sharks.) > The spies regularly spout that fiber has made eavesdropping more difficult, > along with encryption, the out of control Internet, the ease of transborder > evasion of laws governing global laws on privacy and national security. end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From gabe at seul.org Sat Feb 9 08:14:55 2008 From: gabe at seul.org (Gabriel Rocha) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:14:55 -0500 Subject: undersea cable cuts In-Reply-To: References: <786554.80675.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080204215340.056f4eb0@pop.idiom.com> Message-ID: <20080209161455.GR4787@moria.seul.org> I have read several posts on this both here and on other lists, the news seems not to be reporting much about this and the conspiracy theories abound. Today however, I read a rather interesting piece on The Economist which I found interesting enough to post here for comment... According to them, this is just a well publicized string of coincidences and in one case, one cable was taken down by the operators themselves. The assertion that these cables fail relatively often, yet go unreported is also interesting to me. The other interesting statement is that this did not have a massive impact on Iran's internet infrastructure. The latter would have the impact of nullifying many theories, if true. What do folks here think? --Gabe http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10653963 WHEN two undersea cables were damaged, apparently by ships' anchors, five miles north of Alexandria on January 30th, it seemed like a reminder of the fragility of the internet. The cablesbone owned by FLAG Telecom, a subsidiary of India's Reliance Group, the other (SEA-ME-WE 4) by a consortium of 16 telecoms firmsbcarry almost 90% of the data traffic that goes through the Suez canal. When the connections failed, they took with them almost all internet links between Europe and the Gulf and South Asia. Egypt lost 70% of its internet connectivity immediately. More than half of western India's outbound capacity crashed, messing up the country's outsourcing industry. Over the next few days, as cable operators sought new routes, 75m people from Algeria to Bangladesh saw internet links disrupted or cut off. But when, on February 1st, another of FLAG Telecom's cables was damaged, this time on the other side of the Arabian peninsula, west of Dubai, the story started to change. As an internet user known as spyd3rweb wrote on digg.com, b1 cable = an accident; 2 cables = a possible accident; 3 cables = deliberately sabotaged.b The conspiracy theories started to take wing. bWe need to ponder the possibilityb, declared a posting on defensetech.org, bthat these cable cuts were intentional malicious acts. And even if the first incident was just an innocent but important accident, the second could well be a terrorist copycat event.b Or American villainy, said others. A user called Blakey Rat reported that bthe US navy was at one point technically able to tap into undersea fibre-optic cables using a special chamber mounted on a support submarine.b A website called the Galloping Beaver asked, bwhere is the USS Jimmy Carter?bba nuclear attack submarine which had apparently vanished. The notion that something spookier than ships' anchors was to blame gained ground when Egypt's transport ministry said it had studied video footage of the sea lanes where the cables had been, and no ships had crossed the line of the breakage for 12 hours before and after the accident (the area is, in fact, off limits to shipping). Suspicion spread when yet another cablebbetween Qatar and the United Arab Emiratesbwent down on February 3rd. bBeyond the realm of coincidence!b said a user of ArabianBusiness.com. In fact, the fourth break was unsuspicious: the network was taken down by its operator because of a power failure. But by that time the conspiracists were in overdrive. Slashdot.org, a discussion board, said Iran had lost all internet access on February 1st. bA communications disruption can mean only one thingbinvasion,b said bigdavex, quoting a line from a bStar Warsb film. Bloggers in Pakistan, having recovered from their disruption, returned with a vengeance. The broken cables, they said, forced a delay in the opening of an oil bourse in Tehran; this would have led, claimed pkpolitics.com, to the mass selling of dollars bwhich would have instantly crashed [the American] economyb. Marcus Salek of New World Order 101.com (nwo101.com) added that bPresident Putin ordered the Russian air force to take immediate action to protect the Russian nation's vital undersea cables.b There is just one small problem: Iran's internet connectivity was never lost. Todd Underwood and Earl Zmijewski of Renesys, an internet-monitoring firm, reported that four-fifths of the 695 networks with connections in Iran were unaffected. Most of the other theories dissolve under analysis, too. Perhaps the American navy can bug fibre-optic cables but it's not clear how. A report for the European Parliament found in 2000 that boptical-fibre cables do not leak radio frequency signals and cannot be tapped using inductive loops. [Intelligence agencies] have spent a great deal of money on research into tapping optical fibres, reportedly with little success.b It may be rare for several cables to go down in a week, but it can happen. Global Marine Systems, a firm that repairs marine cables, says more than 50 cables were cut or damaged in the Atlantic last year; big oceans are criss-crossed by so many cables that a single break has little impact. What was unusual about the damage in the Suez canal was that it took place at a point where two continents' traffic is borne along only three cables. More are being laid. For the moment, there is only one fair conclusion: the internet is vulnerable, in places, but getting more robust. From death_to_nt at mac.com Sat Feb 9 08:30:11 2008 From: death_to_nt at mac.com (H. Lally Singh) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:30:11 -0500 Subject: undersea cable cuts In-Reply-To: References: <786554.80675.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080204215340.056f4eb0@pop.idiom.com> Message-ID: Agreed: It seems pretty obvious that it's not an accident. The question is, who? On Feb 9, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Tyler Durden wrote: > Well, those are particularly interesting questions though I haven't > given a > lot of thought to yet. > > One of the things to notice is that these are fairly shallow waters in > general. And while I don't believe a scuba diver went down with a > hedge > clippers, my assumption had been that someone had figured out some > relatively > low-tech way to do it, and is probably trying much more often than > succeeding. > > That said, these cables are not easy to break, not even by large > boat anchors: > The cost of fixing a less engineered design would rapidly make it > worthwhile > to ensure they can withstand a LOT, and they can. So I think it's > worthwhile > considering who has the ability to do this sans clever tactics. > > I was actually surprised to hear that two cables in close proximity > were > broken and considered that not a coincidence. After three the > pattern was > becoming clear. > > -TD> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:36:30 -0600> From: measl at mfn.org> To: > camera_lumina at hotmail.com> CC: bill.stewart at pobox.com; > cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net> Subject: RE: undersea cable cuts> > > Um, > thats > *five* cuts. And not random cuts either - they are specifically > > targetting > both sides of the rings. This is someone who truly understands > the > tech - > they are not just cutting random cables, they are cutting the > > right cables > in the right sequence.> > I have been having an offline talk with a > small > group since this started, > and none of us believed it was "random" > after cut > #4, and I am pretty > certain everyone of us believes it's a pro.> > > The > question is *who*? The parche is in fact decomm'd (one of the group > > checked > on it's pyhsical status); and there are only two countries > > suspected of > having the required type of sub (Israel and Russia) besides > the > US. I would > have thought Israel but for the heavy targetting of > French > property, and I > cant find any reason for it to be Russia other than > there is > nobody else. Of > course, I dont see what the various spook > facilities do, so who > knows, maybe > everyone has sea-floor open to the > water cable subs docking these > days?> > > -- > Yours,> J.A. Terranson> sysadmin_at_mfn.org> 0xBD4A95BF> > > What > religion, please tell me, tells you as a follower of that religion> > to occupy > another country and kill its people? Please tell me. Does> > Christianity tell > its followers to do that? Judaism, for that matter?> Islam, for that > matter? > What prophet tells you to send 160,000 troops> to another country, > kill men, > women, and children? You just can't wear> your religion on your > sleeve or just > go to church. You should be> truthfully religious.> > Mahmoud > Ahmadinejad> > > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Tyler Durden wrote:> > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 > 15:21:26 > -0500> > From: Tyler Durden > > To: Bill > Stewart > , cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net> > Subject: RE: > undersea > cable cuts> > > > There's been lots of net speculation about > maliciousness, > but for me the odds> > of 3/4 failures of undersea cables in such a > relatively > small area and over> > such a short amount of time is extremely > suspicious, > particularly given how> > robust such cables are. (ie, there's maybe > a dozen > in the whole world at any> > one time, over millions of route > miles).> > > > > Whether these are JbT-type terrorists is, I think, doubtful given the > revenues> > traveling over these things and particularly how > ineffective the > cuts were.> > The cuts certainly appeared to me to be attempts to > get a > working+protect> > sides of fiber rings by people who didn't have > access to > that level of detail> > about how the rings are deployed over the > wavelength/fiber/cable pairs.> > > > -TD> > > > > Date: Mon, 4 Feb > 2008 > 22:05:07 -0800e> To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net> From:> > > bill.stewart at pobox.com> Subject: Re: undersea cable cuts> > > Hadn't > heard> > > this was malicious ... you have a reference?> > The fourth failure > turned out> >> not to be a cable cut,> just some kind of equipment power problem.> >> >> > > Certainly once the third cut happened,> things look pretty > suspicious even if> >> they don't turn out deserve it.> And there are different kinds of > terrorists> > out there -> the ones that wear government uniforms > (or wear > cheap suits> but> > work for governments) don't always take the credit > themselves.> > At 07:35 PM> > 2/4/2008, Sarad AV wrote:> > >'terrorists' take > credit and are proud of their> > actions.> >nothing of that kind has > happened > yet.> >I guess that satellite> > communication is another > alternative.> > > Satellites have very limited> > bandwidth compared to fiber.> They > may be ok > for countries that don't have> > useful infrastructure,> like Iraq, > Afghanistan, and most of Africa,> but they> > don't begin to replace > the > internet or private network connectivity> that was> > on the fiber > systems > that were cut;> I don't know how big the fourth cable> > was.> > > _________________________________________________________________> > > Need to > know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your> > > "fix".> >> http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.- > get your > "fix". > http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech lallysingh at mac.com From jya at pipeline.com Sat Feb 9 09:04:33 2008 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:04:33 -0500 Subject: undersea cable cuts In-Reply-To: <20080209161455.GR4787@moria.seul.org> References: <786554.80675.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080204215340.056f4eb0@pop.idiom.com> Message-ID: The Economist did little research, it seems, or it was fed disinfo, or was induced to defuse speculation. This list's archive, if no where else, would defuse most of the Economist's defusing. That's not to say the cpunks archives exists in full, or not easily located. For several years, if not from day one, transoceanic cables are pre-rigged for tapping, aguably for repair and maintenance by firms like Global Marine, but easily siphoned for less benign purposes. Moreover it is flat wrong that fiber optic cable is hard to tap. It takes sophisticated equipment but none that is beyond the spies and telecomms regular capability. Disinfo abounds about this as with most classified-at-birth communications technology. The spies regularly spout that fiber has made eavesdropping more difficult, along with encryption, the out of control Internet, the ease of transborder evasion of laws governing global laws on privacy and national security. Top US spy McConnell is on automatic about these fairy tales. Lying about interception capability is as old as communications. The Economist is full of shit and shallowness, the silly quotes from discussion lists, with only a small chance that the story was not planted by officials. It sure reads like the usual DNI-MI-speak when an op is discovered or deliberately leaked to divert attention from more covert derringdo. Say, why tap when worldwide ISPs are jumping through hoops to get natsec snooping business. 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Either of these methods introduce at least a 3db loss, which in many cases will just be assumed by the fibers owners to be some of the usual cultprits that cause loss, or simply a poor splice by the truck guys. Once you introduce optical amplification, however, its eavesdrop city and you can tap out some signal without the loss being evident to even OTDRs. Tapping an underwater cable is far, far harder, but the NSA is known by fiber guys to have at least two of the very expensive and very specialized subs necessary. At Bellcore, I actually consulted on some undersea project by the defense department, who were seeing intermittent losses on their underwater something-or-other, which they never told us. But, it was obvious that they were operating an OC-3 network via their own optical fibers, which I strongly suspect sat alongside or even inside the underwater cable. They probably had periodic stations to look for interesting chunks of traffic that they could tap (or electronically copy) into their own network, which Ill take a wild guess was probably ATM over OC-3, which would make sense for several reasons, including reach, which is critical in that environment. In this case, though, I dont think its us JbTs, just because theres too much business at stake. I suspect we have some new mode of fiber optic mujahadeen that are trying to hurt or seriously fuck up money flows into the middle east, but dont quote me on that. How did they do it? Dont know, but remember they were resourceful enough to figure out how to turn a 727 into a very effective smart missile. -TD> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:04:33 -0500> To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net> From: jya at pipeline.com> Subject: Re: undersea cable cuts> > The Economist did little research, it seems, or it was fed disinfo, or> was induced to defuse speculation.> > This list's archive, if no where else, would defuse most of the Economist's> defusing. That's not to say the cpunks archives exists in full, or not easily> located.> > For several years, if not from day one, transoceanic cables are pre-rigged> for > tapping, aguably for repair and maintenance by firms like Global Marine, > but easily siphoned for less benign purposes. Moreover it is flat wrong that> fiber optic cable is hard to tap. It takes sophisticated equipment but none> that is beyond the spies and telecomms regular capability. Disinfo abounds> about this as with most classified-at-birth communications technology.> > The spies regularly spout that fiber has made eavesdropping more difficult,> along with encryption, the out of control Internet, the ease of transborder> evasion of laws governing global laws on privacy and national security.> > Top US spy McConnell is on automatic about these fairy tales.> > Lying about interception capability is as old as communications. The> Economist is full of shit and shallowness, the silly quotes from discussion> lists, with only a small chance that the story was not planted by officials. > > It sure reads like the usual DNI-MI-speak when an op is discovered or > deliberately leaked to divert attention from more covert derringdo.> > Say, why tap when worldwide ISPs are jumping through hoops to get natsec> snooping business.> > I'd say global spies are desperate to keep surveillance budgets out of this > world. 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Dont know, but remember they were > resourceful > enough to figure out how to turn a 727 into a very effective smart > missile. So what kind of tools would they use to locate & take out the fiber? Would a snorkel & sharpened boat anchor do the trick? -- It must be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to plan, more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to manage, than the creation of a new system. For the initiator has the enmity of all who would profit by the preservation of the old institutions and merely lukewarm defenders in those who would gain by the new ones. -- Machiavelli From DaveHowe at gmx.co.uk Sun Feb 10 04:31:26 2008 From: DaveHowe at gmx.co.uk (Dave Howe) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:31:26 +0000 Subject: undersea cable cuts In-Reply-To: References: <786554.80675.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080204215340.056f4eb0@pop.idiom.com> Message-ID: <47AEEE9E.1070007@gmx.co.uk> Tyler Durden wrote: > Tapping an underwater cable is far, far harder, but the NSA is known by fiber > guys to have at least two of the very expensive and very specialized subs > necessary. I was under the impression that there were regeneration nodes every so many tends of KM (essentially receiver/emitter pairs, with a bit of logic in the middle to reshape the pulses to keep them clean) and always assumed at least some of those were equipped with additional logic to allow a suitably equipped sub to simply clamp an inductive coil around the node and "ask" the node to emit signal in EM form so the sub could listen in... how many of the bundled fibres you could that for in parallel would be a design issue though, albeit a minor one (using a clamp-on coil surrounding the entire node, you could pretty much use the entire radio spectrum as bandwidth and assign one frequency per repeater; I suspect you would need to supply power inductively too though, given the power requirements for an "active" node of this time would go though the roof compared to normal operation.) From DaveHowe at gmx.co.uk Sun Feb 10 04:40:02 2008 From: DaveHowe at gmx.co.uk (Dave Howe) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:40:02 +0000 Subject: undersea cable cuts In-Reply-To: References: <786554.80675.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080204215340.056f4eb0@pop.idiom.com> Message-ID: <47AEF0A2.2070902@gmx.co.uk> H. Lally Singh wrote: > So what kind of tools would they use to locate & take out the fiber? > Would a snorkel & sharpened boat anchor do the trick? If you are still on the continental shelf, I guess scuba kit and a suitable cutting tool (or shaped charge) As has been noted previously (perhaps elsewhere; nanog is discussing this too) there was a case where concrete "holdoffs" where placed above a cable to protect it from a natural gas pipe laid atop it; with the weight of the pipe and time, the holdoffs sank into the sea bed and severed the cable in several places. That was poor design; however, similar emplacements would presumably be fairly economic to produce, and would have the added feature of making it hard for the repair vessels to trawl up the cable for repairs if there were still existing blocks pinning it down in the area they are attempting to lift cable. making the downward facing edge deliberately a curved blade is an obvious "improvement" to the design, and could actually be helped by attempts to repair the cable - tug up the cable against the block, and have it severed *again* at the point you are attempting to trawl up (at which juncture, the severed end will slip out of your hook and back to the ocean floor). Given even half hearted timing, you could place the blocks weeks or even months before, meaning nobody could easily trace back your presence in the area to the time of the "event". Still don't see any terrorist benefit to doing so though. 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To suggest that a break is not something unusual enough for even the operators to discount until every other possible thing has been checked si just plain false. In the 4 years I had direct, personal access to systems controlling & monitoring several undersea cables, I have never seen one cut or otherwise fatally damaged. I have seen a single leak which took out a few fibers, and required about 5 weeks to get a ship to repair. That these can be discounted as anything but planned and coordinated acts is impossible. //Alif -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF What religion, please tell me, tells you as a follower of that religion to occupy another country and kill its people? Please tell me. Does Christianity tell its followers to do that? Judaism, for that matter? Islam, for that matter? What prophet tells you to send 160,000 troops to another country, kill men, women, and children? You just can't wear your religion on your sleeve or just go to church. You should be truthfully religious. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, Gabriel Rocha wrote: > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:14:55 -0500 > From: Gabriel Rocha > To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net > Subject: Re: undersea cable cuts > > I have read several posts on this both here and on other lists, the news > seems not to be reporting much about this and the conspiracy theories > abound. Today however, I read a rather interesting piece on The > Economist which I found interesting enough to post here for comment... > > According to them, this is just a well publicized string of coincidences > and in one case, one cable was taken down by the operators themselves. > The assertion that these cables fail relatively often, yet go unreported > is also interesting to me. The other interesting statement is that this > did not have a massive impact on Iran's internet infrastructure. The > latter would have the impact of nullifying many theories, if true. What > do folks here think? --Gabe > > http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10653963 > > WHEN two undersea cables were damaged, apparently by ships' anchors, > five miles north of Alexandria on January 30th, it seemed like a > reminder of the fragility of the internet. The cablesbone owned by FLAG > Telecom, a subsidiary of India's Reliance Group, the other (SEA-ME-WE 4) > by a consortium of 16 telecoms firmsbcarry almost 90% of the data > traffic that goes through the Suez canal. When the connections failed, > they took with them almost all internet links between Europe and the > Gulf and South Asia. > > Egypt lost 70% of its internet connectivity immediately. More than half > of western India's outbound capacity crashed, messing up the country's > outsourcing industry. Over the next few days, as cable operators sought > new routes, 75m people from Algeria to Bangladesh saw internet links > disrupted or cut off. > > But when, on February 1st, another of FLAG Telecom's cables was > damaged, this time on the other side of the Arabian peninsula, west of > Dubai, the story started to change. As an internet user known as > spyd3rweb wrote on digg.com, b 1 cable = an accident; 2 cables = a > possible accident; 3 cables = deliberately sabotaged.b The conspiracy > theories started to take wing. > > b We need to ponder the possibilityb , declared a posting on > defensetech.org, b that these cable cuts were intentional malicious > acts. And even if the first incident was just an innocent but important > accident, the second could well be a terrorist copycat event.b Or > American villainy, said others. A user called Blakey Rat reported that > b the US navy was at one point technically able to tap into undersea > fibre-optic cables using a special chamber mounted on a support > submarine.b A website called the Galloping Beaver asked, b where is the > USS Jimmy Carter?b ba nuclear attack submarine which had apparently > vanished. > > The notion that something spookier than ships' anchors was to blame > gained ground when Egypt's transport ministry said it had studied video > footage of the sea lanes where the cables had been, and no ships had > crossed the line of the breakage for 12 hours before and after the > accident (the area is, in fact, off limits to shipping). Suspicion > spread when yet another cablebbetween Qatar and the United Arab > Emiratesbwent down on February 3rd. b Beyond the realm of coincidence!b > said a user of ArabianBusiness.com. > > In fact, the fourth break was unsuspicious: the network was taken down > by its operator because of a power failure. But by that time the > conspiracists were in overdrive. Slashdot.org, a discussion board, said > Iran had lost all internet access on February 1st. b A communications > disruption can mean only one thingbinvasion,b said bigdavex, quoting a > line from a b Star Warsb film. Bloggers in Pakistan, having recovered > from their disruption, returned with a vengeance. The broken cables, > they said, forced a delay in the opening of an oil bourse in Tehran; > this would have led, claimed pkpolitics.com, to the mass selling of > dollars b which would have instantly crashed [the American] economyb . > Marcus Salek of New World Order 101.com (nwo101.com) added that > b President Putin ordered the Russian air force to take immediate action > to protect the Russian nation's vital undersea cables.b > > There is just one small problem: Iran's internet connectivity was never > lost. Todd Underwood and Earl Zmijewski of Renesys, an > internet-monitoring firm, reported that four-fifths of the 695 networks > with connections in Iran were unaffected. Most of the other theories > dissolve under analysis, too. Perhaps the American navy can bug > fibre-optic cables but it's not clear how. A report for the European > Parliament found in 2000 that b optical-fibre cables do not leak radio > frequency signals and cannot be tapped using inductive loops. > [Intelligence agencies] have spent a great deal of money on research > into tapping optical fibres, reportedly with little success.b > > It may be rare for several cables to go down in a week, but it can > happen. Global Marine Systems, a firm that repairs marine cables, says > more than 50 cables were cut or damaged in the Atlantic last year; big > oceans are criss-crossed by so many cables that a single break has > little impact. What was unusual about the damage in the Suez canal was > that it took place at a point where two continents' traffic is borne > along only three cables. More are being laid. For the moment, there is > only one fair conclusion: the internet is vulnerable, in places, but > getting more robust. From measl at mfn.org Sun Feb 10 18:50:31 2008 From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:50:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: undersea cable cuts In-Reply-To: <20080209161455.GR4787@moria.seul.org> References: <786554.80675.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080204215340.056f4eb0@pop.idiom.com> <20080209161455.GR4787@moria.seul.org> Message-ID: "Perhaps the American navy can bug fibre-optic cables but it's not clear how. A report for the European Parliament found in 2000 that b^\optical-fibre cables do not leak radio frequency signals and cannot be tapped using inductive loops. [Intelligence agencies] have spent a great deal of money on research into tapping optical fibres, reportedly with little success.b^]" This is clear BS as well, and tells me all I need to know about the author. No, they dont leak RF, they leak photons when bent. And, rumor says there are other nifty things you can do. I have personally tapped a fiber optic cable (above sea level) in the lab, just for shits and giggles, and its not hard. This article was either written by someone completely clueless, or by a clueful ghost. //Alif -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF What religion, please tell me, tells you as a follower of that religion to occupy another country and kill its people? Please tell me. Does Christianity tell its followers to do that? Judaism, for that matter? Islam, for that matter? What prophet tells you to send 160,000 troops to another country, kill men, women, and children? You just can't wear your religion on your sleeve or just go to church. You should be truthfully religious. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, Gabriel Rocha wrote: > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:14:55 -0500 > From: Gabriel Rocha > To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net > Subject: Re: undersea cable cuts > > I have read several posts on this both here and on other lists, the news > seems not to be reporting much about this and the conspiracy theories > abound. Today however, I read a rather interesting piece on The > Economist which I found interesting enough to post here for comment... > > According to them, this is just a well publicized string of coincidences > and in one case, one cable was taken down by the operators themselves. > The assertion that these cables fail relatively often, yet go unreported > is also interesting to me. The other interesting statement is that this > did not have a massive impact on Iran's internet infrastructure. The > latter would have the impact of nullifying many theories, if true. What > do folks here think? --Gabe > > http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10653963 > > WHEN two undersea cables were damaged, apparently by ships' anchors, > five miles north of Alexandria on January 30th, it seemed like a > reminder of the fragility of the internet. The cablesbone owned by FLAG > Telecom, a subsidiary of India's Reliance Group, the other (SEA-ME-WE 4) > by a consortium of 16 telecoms firmsbcarry almost 90% of the data > traffic that goes through the Suez canal. When the connections failed, > they took with them almost all internet links between Europe and the > Gulf and South Asia. > > Egypt lost 70% of its internet connectivity immediately. More than half > of western India's outbound capacity crashed, messing up the country's > outsourcing industry. Over the next few days, as cable operators sought > new routes, 75m people from Algeria to Bangladesh saw internet links > disrupted or cut off. > > But when, on February 1st, another of FLAG Telecom's cables was > damaged, this time on the other side of the Arabian peninsula, west of > Dubai, the story started to change. As an internet user known as > spyd3rweb wrote on digg.com, b 1 cable = an accident; 2 cables = a > possible accident; 3 cables = deliberately sabotaged.b The conspiracy > theories started to take wing. > > b We need to ponder the possibilityb , declared a posting on > defensetech.org, b that these cable cuts were intentional malicious > acts. And even if the first incident was just an innocent but important > accident, the second could well be a terrorist copycat event.b Or > American villainy, said others. A user called Blakey Rat reported that > b the US navy was at one point technically able to tap into undersea > fibre-optic cables using a special chamber mounted on a support > submarine.b A website called the Galloping Beaver asked, b where is the > USS Jimmy Carter?b ba nuclear attack submarine which had apparently > vanished. > > The notion that something spookier than ships' anchors was to blame > gained ground when Egypt's transport ministry said it had studied video > footage of the sea lanes where the cables had been, and no ships had > crossed the line of the breakage for 12 hours before and after the > accident (the area is, in fact, off limits to shipping). Suspicion > spread when yet another cablebbetween Qatar and the United Arab > Emiratesbwent down on February 3rd. b Beyond the realm of coincidence!b > said a user of ArabianBusiness.com. > > In fact, the fourth break was unsuspicious: the network was taken down > by its operator because of a power failure. But by that time the > conspiracists were in overdrive. Slashdot.org, a discussion board, said > Iran had lost all internet access on February 1st. b A communications > disruption can mean only one thingbinvasion,b said bigdavex, quoting a > line from a b Star Warsb film. Bloggers in Pakistan, having recovered > from their disruption, returned with a vengeance. The broken cables, > they said, forced a delay in the opening of an oil bourse in Tehran; > this would have led, claimed pkpolitics.com, to the mass selling of > dollars b which would have instantly crashed [the American] economyb . > Marcus Salek of New World Order 101.com (nwo101.com) added that > b President Putin ordered the Russian air force to take immediate action > to protect the Russian nation's vital undersea cables.b > > There is just one small problem: Iran's internet connectivity was never > lost. Todd Underwood and Earl Zmijewski of Renesys, an > internet-monitoring firm, reported that four-fifths of the 695 networks > with connections in Iran were unaffected. Most of the other theories > dissolve under analysis, too. Perhaps the American navy can bug > fibre-optic cables but it's not clear how. A report for the European > Parliament found in 2000 that b optical-fibre cables do not leak radio > frequency signals and cannot be tapped using inductive loops. > [Intelligence agencies] have spent a great deal of money on research > into tapping optical fibres, reportedly with little success.b > > It may be rare for several cables to go down in a week, but it can > happen. Global Marine Systems, a firm that repairs marine cables, says > more than 50 cables were cut or damaged in the Atlantic last year; big > oceans are criss-crossed by so many cables that a single break has > little impact. What was unusual about the damage in the Suez canal was > that it took place at a point where two continents' traffic is borne > along only three cables. More are being laid. For the moment, there is > only one fair conclusion: the internet is vulnerable, in places, but > getting more robust. From measl at mfn.org Sun Feb 10 19:14:02 2008 From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:14:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: undersea cable cuts In-Reply-To: <47AEEE9E.1070007@gmx.co.uk> References: <786554.80675.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.1.20080204215340.056f4eb0@pop.idiom.com> <47AEEE9E.1070007@gmx.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Feb 2008, Dave Howe wrote: > Tyler Durden wrote: > > Tapping an underwater cable is far, far harder, but the NSA is known by > > fiber > > guys to have at least two of the very expensive and very specialized subs > > necessary. > > I was under the impression that there were regeneration nodes every so many > tends of KM (essentially receiver/emitter pairs, with a bit of logic in the > middle to reshape the pulses to keep them clean) On land, yes. At sea? To be honest, I never really considered it... Thinking about it though, my guess would be no. I base that on several things: (a) The location of the break is determined via OTDR. How can you know where your reflection originates if you have regen stations? (b) Power requirements are very significant at regens: where does all this happy juice come from at the floor of the sea? (c) Regen stations would introduce elevated failure rates that are not seen (by me. YMMV). > and always assumed at least > some of those were equipped with additional logic to allow a suitably equipped > sub to simply clamp an inductive coil around the node and "ask" the node to > emit signal in EM form so the sub could listen in... I find this hard to buy into for all of the above, *plus* the difficulty of shoving multiple fibers through such an inductive device. I simply dont believe it possible. > how many of the bundled > fibres you could that for in parallel would be a design issue though, albeit a > minor one (using a clamp-on coil surrounding the entire node, you could pretty > much use the entire radio spectrum as bandwidth and assign one frequency per > repeater; I suspect you would need to supply power inductively too though, > given the power requirements for an "active" node of this time would go though > the roof compared to normal operation.) Exactly. Even if they try to multiplex on top of themselves, there just no way. As has been pointed out by many (even myself I think), these breaks are clearly an organized event, but of unknown purpose. as was astutely pointed out, the guys who would want to do the cutting are separate from and antithetical to, the guys who want to do the monitoring. Also, the guys who want to do the monitoring dont need to be breaking cables to do it - they bring out the Jimmy Carter (now that her sister is truly mothballed) and they do it in a nice dry lab on the ocean floor, with a good cup of hot coffe fresh from nuclear irradiation (er, "heating"). I see no point to these acts, but neither can I deny that these acts *must* have been deliberate. And I do not pretend to know what everyone else could possibly be considering as motives. I do particularly like the hypothesis put forward about testing the responses of places nobody otherwise cares about, but thats just the shit disturber in me, I'm sure ;-) //Alif -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xBD4A95BF What religion, please tell me, tells you as a follower of that religion to occupy another country and kill its people? Please tell me. Does Christianity tell its followers to do that? Judaism, for that matter? Islam, for that matter? What prophet tells you to send 160,000 troops to another country, kill men, women, and children? You just can't wear your religion on your sleeve or just go to church. You should be truthfully religious. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad From dewayne at warpspeed.com Mon Feb 11 08:06:23 2008 From: dewayne at warpspeed.com (Dewayne Hendricks) Date: February 11, 2008 8:06:23 AM EST Subject: [Dewayne-Net] Bush orders clampdown on flights to US Message-ID: Bush orders clampdown on flights to US EU officials furious as Washington says it wants extra data on all air passengers * Ian Traynor in Brussels * The Guardian, * Monday February 11 2008 This article appeared in the Guardian on Monday February 11 2008 on p1 of the Top stories section. It was last updated at 03:11 on February 11 2008. The US administration is pressing the 27 governments of the European Union to sign up for a range of new security measures for transatlantic travel, including allowing armed guards on all flights from Europe to America by US airlines. The demand to put armed air marshals on to the flights is part of a travel clampdown by the Bush administration that officials in Brussels described as "blackmail" and "troublesome", and could see west Europeans and Britons required to have US visas if their governments balk at Washington's requirements. According to a US document being circulated for signature in European capitals, EU states would also need to supply personal data on all air passengers overflying but not landing in the US in order to gain or retain visa-free travel to America, senior EU officials said. 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Undersea cables carry electrical power through a lining in their sheeth. An OTDR can't see past a traditional regenerator: The fiber span is terminated. (It also can't see past an optical fiber amplifier because of the isolators that keep the ASE from lasing inside the amplifier.) Tapping an optical fiber is absolutely trivial, more trivial than tapping a (copper) cable carrying an electrical signal. This isn't inside inside knowledge, even the guys in the trucks know it. Tapping an undersea optical cable, however, is a completely different matter, and it's VERY difficult, though routinely done by NSA, etc... Undersea cables do occasionally break, but the net-quoted statistic of approximately 12 breaks at any one time throughout the world is entirely misleading: There are millions of route-miles spanning the Atlantic, the Pacific and everywhere else. This means that the odds of three or four breaks in a small area are practically zero. They are designed to be extremely resilient, and this design choice has been quite successful. A simple anchor (even from a large ship) is not in general going to cut a cable. -TD > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:14:02 -0600> From: measl at mfn.org> To: DaveHowe at gmx.co.uk> CC: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net> Subject: Re: undersea cable cuts> > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008, Dave Howe wrote:> > > Tyler Durden wrote:> > > Tapping an underwater cable is far, far harder, but the NSA is known by> > > fiber> > > guys to have at least two of the very expensive and very specialized subs> > > necessary.> > > > I was under the impression that there were regeneration nodes every so many> > tends of KM (essentially receiver/emitter pairs, with a bit of logic in the> > middle to reshape the pulses to keep them clean) > > On land, yes. At sea? To be honest, I never really considered it... > Thinking about it though, my guess would be no. I base that on several > things:> > (a) The location of the break is determined via OTDR. How can you know > where your reflection originates if you have regen stations?> > (b) Power requirements are very significant at regens: where does all this > happy juice come from at the floor of the sea?> > (c) Regen stations would introduce elevated failure rates that are not > seen (by me. YMMV).> > > and always assumed at least> > some of those were equipped with additional logic to allow a suitably equipped> > sub to simply clamp an inductive coil around the node and "ask" the node to> > emit signal in EM form so the sub could listen in... > > I find this hard to buy into for all of the above, *plus* the difficulty > of shoving multiple fibers through such an inductive device. I simply > dont believe it possible.> > > how many of the bundled> > fibres you could that for in parallel would be a design issue though, albeit a> > minor one (using a clamp-on coil surrounding the entire node, you could pretty> > much use the entire radio spectrum as bandwidth and assign one frequency per> > repeater; I suspect you would need to supply power inductively too though,> > given the power requirements for an "active" node of this time would go though> > the roof compared to normal operation.)> > Exactly. Even if they try to multiplex on top of themselves, there just > no way.> > As has been pointed out by many (even myself I think), these breaks are > clearly an organized event, but of unknown purpose. as was astutely > pointed out, the guys who would want to do the cutting are separate from > and antithetical to, the guys who want to do the monitoring. Also, the > guys who want to do the monitoring dont need to be breaking cables to do > it - they bring out the Jimmy Carter (now that her sister is truly > mothballed) and they do it in a nice dry lab on the ocean floor, with a > good cup of hot coffe fresh from nuclear irradiation (er, "heating").> > I see no point to these acts, but neither can I deny that these acts > *must* have been deliberate. And I do not pretend to know what everyone > else could possibly be considering as motives. I do particularly like the > hypothesis put forward about testing the responses of places nobody > otherwise cares about, but thats just the shit disturber in me, I'm sure > ;-)> > //Alif> > --> Yours,> J.A. Terranson> sysadmin_at_mfn.org> 0xBD4A95BF> > > What religion, please tell me, tells you as a follower of that religion> to occupy another country and kill its people? Please tell me. Does> Christianity tell its followers to do that? Judaism, for that matter?> Islam, for that matter? 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Microsoft's actions investigated again by the European Commission 5. Finnish e-voting system must not stay a trade secret 6. France's gendarmerie goes for open source software 7. Europe spams more than the US 8. Wales said no to ID cards 9. Recommended Reading 10. Agenda 11. About ============================================================ 1. Biometric data from non-EU travellers ============================================================ A set of new measures including biometric data from non-EU travellers are being proposed these days by the European Commission (EC). The proposals, drafted by Franco Frattini, the European Commissioner for Justice, Freedom and Security, are being put forward by the EC, arguing that the cross-border policy has to be revised to face the new challenges related to terrorism, organised crime and illegal migration. The package proposes the creation of an entry/exit register of non-European visitors to the EU bloc that will record the dates of entry and exit of each non-EU individual admitted to the Schengen visa-free area using biometric identifiers. In cases when a person's visa has expired, an alert can be issued to all national authorities. A second measure would be the introduction of a European Border Surveillance System that will use satellites and unmanned aircraft to check on the non-UE travellers on a short-stay visa and to track the movements of suspected illegal migrants. The system is already under construction and may be operational by 2012. The proposals include the setting up of a system requiring travellers from countries with a visa requirement to provide biometric data at European consulates in their country. Those arriving from countries that are not required visas, such as the United States, will have to submit fingerprints and a digitalized facial image. The EC will encourage member states to introduce "automated border-crossing checks" which will include new biometric technologies such as eye scanners. The system should, however, allow EU citizens and "low risk" frequent travellers from outside the bloc to pass through automated checkpoints granting them a status of "registered traveller" being thus able to have their biometric travel documents scanned and checked by machines. Non-Europeans could obtain the fast-track status on condition they have not previously overstayed their visas, have enough funds to pay for their stay in Europe and have a biometric passport. All non-European individuals will have to make an electronic application before travelling to the Schengen area, allowing them to be checked against anti-terror databases in advance. The proposals also suggest a better use of Frontex, the EU's border control agency, especially by means of "intensified" joint operations between member states at sea borders. Privacy advocates, lawmakers and even police representatives criticise the proposals considering the EU is piling up databases without an overall strategy or a clear vision and believing the EC is only trying to copy the United States in their practice to scan fingerprints and pictures of travellers. "It's boys with toys. They want to have the toys the Americans have," said Gus Hosein from Privacy International. "It is not good to have a proliferation of databases without a clear vision (...) The link between them is unclear and leads to gaps" also said Jan Velleman, a spokesman for Eurocop, a European police union. Tony Bunyan, Statewatch editor, comments: "Let us be clear about the effect of these three proposals. Everyone - citizens and visitors - travelling in and out of the EU is going placed under surveillance, have to get permission to enter and checked against national watch-lists whose scope is unknown, with data transferred to unspecified agencies in the EU and outside and records of movements held for years." According to Meryem Marzouki, EDRI board member: "These plans add a new wall to the European Fortress, as they consider any migrant as a potential criminal. This entry/exit system will lead to increased surveillance and social control at national level as soon as an alert will be issued after visa expiration without exit. Europe is on its way towards a totalitarian society. As long as there is not adequate data protection under third pillar, there would be no limit to such plans." Roscam Abbing from the Commission said that according to the reaction of the EU lawmakers and governments, a legislative proposal will follow but did not make any statements on when the systems would come into force and refrained from commenting upon criticisms to the lack of EU strategy in dealing with sensitive databases. It is not clear whether Britain, Ireland and Cyprus which are not members of Schengen area, will adopt the program. All proposed measures could then enter into force between 2012 and 2015. Proposed shake up of EU security includes call for fingerprinting all visitors (13.02.2008) http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/13/europe/EU-GEN-EU-Fortress-Europe.php EU plans to require biometrics of all non-European visitors (10.02.2008) http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/10/europe/union.php New EU fingerprint scheme fans privacy concerns (10.02.2008) http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSL1079208520080210 Brussels to tighten EU external borders (6.02.2008) http://euobserver.com/22/25606 EU to announce fingerprinting for all visitors (12.02.2008) http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd[347]=x-347-560378 ============================================================ 2. PirateBay - blocked in Denmark ============================================================ Following a complaint by IFPI (International Federation of the Phonographic Industry), a Danish bailiff court issued on 4 February 2008 an injunction ordering Tele2, one of the major ISPs in Denmark, to block the access to the PirateBay domains. IFPI asked the court for this injunction because most of the materials referred on PirateBay are copyrighted and the exchange of these materials between PirateBay users is illegal. IFPI considered that Tele2 was not directly liable for the illegal copying, but was contributing to it, by making temporary copies of torrent files. Tele2 has been complying with the injunction so far by DNS filtering (same method as used in the child pornography filters and AllOfMp3), but is determined to fight against the injunction in the upper court in two weeks time. Niels Elgaard Larsen from the IT-Political Association of Denmark explained the situation for EDRi-gram: "We see a slippery slope. Blocking of first child porn, then a non-EU (Russian) site with alleged illegal music (AllOfMp3), and now a search engine inside the EU. Elsewhere in EU we hear politicians that want to block recipes for explosives, ads for non-taxed gambling, etc. This is not about music and movies at piratebay or anywhere else. This is about making ISP's policing the content flowing through their networks. It is about freedom on the internet. Do we want an open or a closed internet ?" But the injunction seema to have no direct effect on PirateBay website, that announces an increase by 12% of the number of visits from Denmark. According to their blog the website "is growing more because of the media attention than people actually coming to learn how to bypass the filter - our guess is that a lot of the users on the site now run OpenDNS instead of the censoring DNS at Tele2.dk." However, the court cases against the popular torrent tracker are not over. PirateBay is preparing for a long trial starting this spring following the 2006 seizure of their servers and 20 months of investigation. According to the Prosecutor Hakan Roswall, the website was commercially exploiting copyright-protected work because it was financed through advertising revenues. Piratebay expects the trial to last for years, especially because the decision in this case will be appealed by one of the parties. They also claim that this will not affect at all their activity. After it has been claimed that PirateBay is supporting trackers with child pornography, the website owners announced that they were collaborating with the Police officers to teach them "how to actually download stuff using the BT protocol. The police has actually been very open and frank with us about their technical difficulties and asking for help is the best solutions for all parties." Bailiff Court Decision (only in Danish, 4.02.2008) http://www.computerworld.dk/modules/davinci/getfile.php?id=18886&attachment Danish ISP shuts access to file-sharing Pirate Bay (4.02.2008) http://www.reuters.com/article/industryNews/idUSL0480268320080204?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0 Denmark, first look (8.02.2008) http://courtblog.thepiratebay.org/2008/02/08/denmark-first-look/ Pirate Bay hit with legal action (31.01.2008) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7219802.stm Prepare for mudwrestling (6.02.2008) http://courtblog.thepiratebay.org/2008/02/06/prepare-for-mudwrestling/ ============================================================ 3. Internet-related privacy issues on the EU institutions' agenda ============================================================ The privacy problems created by the Internet and other new technologies such as RFID have an important place on the agenda of the European institutions that seem to be more anxious than ever to tackle those issues. The hearing at the European Parliament's Civil Liberties Committee reported in the last EDRi-gram seems to be only the top of the iceberg. Article 29 working party will discuss at the next meeting, on 18 February 2008, the highly sensitive topic of privacy & search engines, and it is probable to adopt an Opinion on this topic. But the views of the Working party's members are already public, after the last month meeting at the European Parliament. Moreover, Peter Schaar, Germany's Federal Data Protection Commissioner and Chairman of the Article 29 working party, made some straightforward comments to Financial Times, explaining that the cookie and search data retention period is too long : "For me personally it still seems rather long, and I could imagine I am not alone." He underlined the fact that IP addresses are considered as personal information according to the EU legislation and dismissed security concerns as a reason to keep data: "I cannot imagine that it is necessary to store data such as IP addresses for security reasons. What is the security threat? Security purposes don't justify the long-term storage of this data." Other national data protection agencies are looking into more privacy aspects of computer usage. The Spanish Data Protection defined last year the filtering of information for purposes other than virus and spam protection as "not in conformity with Spanish law". Also Article 29 Working Party plans to investigate targeted advertising, which could cause problems for Google or Yahoo. The European Commission is also working on a document on RFID policy, that will include the privacy aspects, based on the discussions in the RFID working group. It is not clear yet if the document will be a binding regulation or recommendation. EurActiv website points that the Commission will publish, in the next weeks, a new EU survey that shows "an overwhelming majority considers public awareness about privacy and data management to be low, but at the same time almost 75% of respondents say they are worried about leaving personal information on the Internet." Apparently the Commission expects these results and is looking at increasing the funding for awareness-raising campaigns and technologies which improve privacy protection. EU targets online privacy fears (11.02.2008) http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8e98263a-d844-11dc-98f7-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1 EU mulls new measures to protect privacy on the Web (7.02.2008) http://www.euractiv.com/en/infosociety/eu-mulls-new-measures-protect-privacy-web/article-170156 EDRi-gram: European Parliament hearing on Internet privacy issues (30.01.2008) http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number6.2/ep-hearing-privacy ============================================================ 4. Microsoft's actions investigated again by the European Commission ============================================================ The European Commission has recently extended its formal probes launched on 14 January 2008 against Microsoft in two cases where it has been alleged that the multinational firm had abused its dominant market position. The first case was brought by a complaint from web browser Opera, which complained that the tying of Microsoft's Internet Explorer to its Windows operating system was anti-competitive. The second case under investigation was the complaint filed by the European Committee for Interoperable Systems for the Microsoft's refusal to disclose interoperability information on some Microsoft server products, Office and NET Framework. In relation to this case the Commission also intends to verify Office Open XML (OOXML) file format for not working with its competitors' specifications. In the latter case, the Commission will also check possible influence of the the votes by the company during the ISO standardization process for the OOXML document format. The Commission has asked Microsoft to provide information about its activities during the process wanting to know whether the software firm has put pressure on committees in various countries to ratify OOXML as a standard. ISO members refused to adopt OOXML in September of 2007 and Microsoft was asked to make improvements before the final vote that will take place at the end of February 2008 in Geneva. The Association for a Free Information Infrastructure had revealed, even before the September vote that there were some irregularities in the Microsoft's participation in the committees, calling for the ceasing of the standardization process. Among other charges, Microsoft is suspected of having bought votes in Sweden, of hindering the participation of the competition by limiting the number of seats and by "hijacking" standardization committees in some countries, including the US, Mexico and Columbia. EU looks into Microsoft's influence on ISO standardization process (08.02.2008) http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/103201/ EU investigates Microsoft's OOXML campaign (08.02.2008) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/08/ooxml_eu_probe_iso/ Microsoft faces additional European antitrust probe (08.02.2008) http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/microsoft-faces-additional-european-antitrust/story.aspx?guid=%7B8DFD1635-FBF2-4B3B-AF0C-F57A2C4458B8%7D EDRi-gram: Opera complains to the EC on Microsoft's Internet Explorer (19.12.2007) http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number5.24/opera-commission-microsoft EDRi-gram: Reactions on the ISO voting procedures (12.09.2007) http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number5.17/iso-procedures ============================================================ 5. Finnish e-voting system must not stay a trade secret ============================================================ A member of Electronic Frontier Finland (Effi), a Finnish association for promoting digital rights and member of EDRi, has recently sent a request of information to the Finnish Ministry of Justice regarding their planned e-voting system. The system will be piloted in the municipal elections during October 2008 and it is based on a DRE (Direct Recording Electronic) type e-voting system from TietoEnator Finland and a Spanish back-end provider, Scytl. In their response, the Ministry of Justice states that, based on the Act on the Openness of Government Activities, the documentation that has been written concerning the specific details of the e-voting system has to be kept secret on the Documents that have to be kept secret include documents related to the information security of the system and documents that contain information about the trade secrets of a private company, in this case, the systems provider. Effi's analysis of the system is only based on high-level documents provided by the Ministry of Justice and a U.S. patent that has been granted to Scytl, and is assumed to form the basis of the Finnish e-voting system core. According to this analysis, the system will not utilise any voter-verified paper ballot system or even the electronic receipt system that is detailed in the Scytl patent. The current, traditional Finnish elections feature a widely distributed ballot counting process, which is carried out manually and collectively by the representatives of the competing parties at each polling station. The results of each polling station are individually published, providing the representatives with the possibility to cross-check that the votes at their polling station have been correctly tallied. The ballots are then separately counted again, independently of the original count, and archived in case of further recounts being deemed necessary. The system is quite fast, providing results in a matter of hours from the whole country, easy to understand, and very resilient. The e-voting system as currently proposed would make recounts that would be independent of the electronic system impossible. It would also make it possible for a much smaller team of individuals to alter the election results, as the software, which counts the ballots, is not public. Since Effi's original press release, the Ministry of Justice has unveiled a plan to contract an audit of the software from the University of Turku in Finland, but this effort seem to be rather under-resourced when compared to US e-voting system audits, and is likely to just scratch the surface. As a counterexample, thirty US states have already made the voter-verified paper ballot a mandatory part of electronic voting. For some reason, the Finnish Ministry of Justice has not seen this as a requirement for the all-electronic voting system in Finland. Ministry of Justice response to a member of Electronic Frontier Finland (only in Finnish, 23.01.2008) http://www.effi.org/system/files?file=om-2008-01-23.txt E-Voting pilot: Technical implementation and information security (only in Finnish, 20.06.2007) http://www.effi.org/system/files?file=Pilotin_tekninen_esittely_v1.0H.pdf Verified voting (28.01.2008) http://www.verifiedvoting.org/ Effi: Voting systems must not be trade secrets. (only in Finnish, 25.01.2008) http://www.effi.org/julkaisut/tiedotteet/lehdistotiedote-2008-01-25.html Municipal elections 2008: Electronic voting in three municipalities. Press release from Ministry of Justice (8.02.2008) http://www.om.fi/en/Etusivu/Ajankohtaista/Uutiset/1201510039860 Web demonstrator and an informational page for the e-voting system (only in Finnish, 11.02.2008) http://www.vaalit.fi/sahkoinenaanestaminen/ (Contribution by EDRi-member Electronic Frontier Finland) ============================================================ 6. France's gendarmerie goes for open source software ============================================================ The Gendarmerie, France's largest administrative body, intends to change in the next years the operating system of 70 000 workstations presently running on Windows XP to Ubuntu. This is a movement that continues the French Government's efforts to promote migration to open source for some years now. The Gendarmerie had already adopted OpenOffice.org and Firefox, the French National Assembly has also recently switched 1100 computers to Linux and the Ministry of Agriculture has started the migration from Windows at the end of 2006. The French Government's plans to migrate to open source was based on a study by technology services company Atos Origin, that: "showed that open-source software will from now on offer functionality adapted to the needs of MPs and will allow us to make substantial savings despite the associated migration and training costs" as was the Parliament's statement in 2006. The reasons for switching to open source software, besides the cost reductions, included a better control of security functions and a greater independence from the software vendors. 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Wahby) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:02:59 -0500 Subject: uniform pseudo random number generation In-Reply-To: <323390.13399.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <323390.13399.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080219200259.GB31089@proton.jfet.org> Sarad AV wrote: > A full period linear congruence generator with modulus > 360 was used to obtain what is required with the help > of 40 different seeds. The problem is that i find the > data too correlated. > > Hence a much better linear generator,mersenne twister, > mt19937's 32 bit implementation was used. It gives > integer outputs between 0 and 2^32 -1. 360 consecutive > outputs were taken and (each_output modulo 360) was > computed. It was found that there are repetitions in > the output. However i like to have them without > repetitions. > > Is there anyway to get 'good' uniform pseudo random > integers between 0 and user_given_limit, such that it > generates all the numbers between 0 and > user_given_limit? It seems to me like the extent to which you can decorrelate the output sequences is rather limited because of the requirement that each sequence contain {0..360} precisely once, essentially because the uniqueness requirement means that each sequence is, to a large majority, characterized by the entropy at the beginning of the sequence, but not at the end. For example, let's say you have generated all but one digit of the sequence. Since there is only one unused number remaining, there is no information encoded in the final digit of the sequence. Similarly, the second-last digit is one of only two possibilities, third-last is one of three, et cetera. So, at most, the second-last digit has one bit of entropy, while the first has log2(361) =~ 8.5 bits. 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And, even better, they were nice enough to point it out, > assuming I was unaware. I am BCC'ing this post to said vendor: you really > did do The Right Thing, and I applaud you for it! That you are the only > one to notice is, I hope, a sign of the attention to detail I will find in > your widgets. > > So, CP Distributed Lists are dead. The list, singular is tottering, and > has been for years, and now, I think I can proclaim Encryption Everywhere > as Dead On Arrival. Even for so called crypto people. Tis a sad day in > Eurasia folks. > > //Alif > > -- > Yours, > J.A. Terranson > sysadmin_at_mfn.org > 0xpgp_key_mgmt_is_broken-dont_bother > > What religion, please tell me, tells you as a follower of that religion > to occupy another country and kill its people? Please tell me. Does > Christianity tell its followers to do that? Judaism, for that matter? > Islam, for that matter? What prophet tells you to send 160,000 troops > to another country, kill men, women, and children? 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In-Reply-To: References: <20080225080004.GT10128@leitl.org> Message-ID: <4ef5fec60802250306y44c6c7dbod8410cd0c0e3c480@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:38 AM, John Young wrote: > Encrypted email continues to be often used around some places. the usability is poor, compared to things like off the record [0] and opportunistic keying, etc. while i use encrypted mail daily in a professional context, i never use it in a personal one. sooner or later the dinosaurs will drop it too. > Turncoats abound, cpunks no different than anyone in succumbing > to contracts, bribery, threats, compromise, jealousy, hatred, > bitterness, and the rest of excuses shits give themselves for > screwing those who counted on others being more stupid than > they are. it always tastes best when you cook it yourself. (or at least, have looked at the recipe and confirmed no cyanide or arsenic was intentionally added *g* [this, is my one complaint about OTR, building from source into a useful client can be tedious compared to other methods...] > Recall that only a small number of cpunks ever posted to the list, > and that remains the case. And quite a few of those posted to > stimulate confessions and revealing info sec disclosures. "you're being a bit brief, please go into detail" :) 0. oh the hoops i had to jump to import an old otr 2.x key in gaim to otr3.0.x in pidgin. the friends list is also an interesting study in use and frequency of re-key; while i can no longer recall when A59CDCB3 46468A16 27D21678 270AF0B5 0B0477CF was originally generated others appear to cycle as frequently as weekly or so. interesting how the same tool can span the key management spectrum from anonymous opportunistic to strong mutually authenticated. From jya at pipeline.com Mon Feb 25 01:38:45 2008 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:38:45 -0500 Subject: How long can you go with an expired key? In-Reply-To: <20080225080004.GT10128@leitl.org> References: Message-ID: Encrypted email continues to be often used around some places. And encrypted files for transmittal is common, too. Sometimes for online transmittal, other times for sending by offline means. Probably what is happening is that those using encryption do not advertise it as much as in earlier days, not least because of the ease with which it calls attention to users for traffic analysis by those who are happy the fools don't know what they reveal. And the more popluar encryption programs have no doubt been compromised -- that is what "enterprise" means: to lure or entrap crypto users into overly trusting supposedly secure encryption for easy snooping on employees and citizens. No serious info sec lover will use a single means for privacy. And will always beware of absolutely trustworthy anything. That is a mantra here. Turncoats abound, cpunks no different than anyone in succumbing to contracts, bribery, threats, compromise, jealousy, hatred, bitterness, and the rest of excuses shits give themselves for screwing those who counted on others being more stupid than they are. Recall that only a small number of cpunks ever posted to the list, and that remains the case. And quite a few of those posted to stimulate confessions and revealing info sec disclosures. Still not clear if public crypto was a masterful hoodwink, but likely is, perfectly fitting the internet's astonishing success at inducing millions to blab and brag and believe a new era had arrived, privacy protected by mathematics and open testing, not wanting to believe the mathematicians and testers got to make a living doing what has to be done to keep the whining family happy, burp, ahem, ROTFL, etc. Duplicity is inate, the boyos argue and have faith in, to justify their rigging the info sec game. At 09:00 AM 2/25/2008 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: >On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 07:30:54PM -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: > >> At the end of 2004, my annual key expiration event was allowed to pass >> without genning a new key: nobody had sent me encrypted mail in ages >> [years], and being the prick that I am, I started a little game instead. > >So nobody sends you encrypted mail. > >> I left the expired key on the .sig, and started the clock to see how long >> it would take for someone to notice. January 1, 2005 through February 25, >> 2008: about 3 years. > >So nobody sends you encrypted mail. > >> I had fully expected a CP to be the lucky contestent, but alas, Cpunks > >I don't know where cypherpunks are, they're for sure no longer on this >list. > >> dont bother with key management anymore - heck, we dont even bother with >> distributed email anymore AFAIK. Alas, the alert correspondent was > >Hey, you only now notice anonymous remailers have been dead for >some half decade? > >> a commercial software vendor who makes little widgets. I had made an >> inquiry about a mass purchase, and they noticed the [now profoundly] >> expired key, and decided to Do The Right Thing and encrypt. Only they >> couldn't, as the key was deader than dead: it was "Tim May Someone Needs >> Killing Dead". And, even better, they were nice enough to point it out, >> assuming I was unaware. I am BCC'ing this post to said vendor: you really >> did do The Right Thing, and I applaud you for it! That you are the only >> one to notice is, I hope, a sign of the attention to detail I will find in >> your widgets. >> >> So, CP Distributed Lists are dead. The list, singular is tottering, and >> has been for years, and now, I think I can proclaim Encryption Everywhere > >O'Rly? > >Received: from proton.jfet.org (proton.jfet.org [69.60.117.34]) > (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) > (Client CN "sp2734", Issuer "sp2734" (not verified)) > by v64.ativel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372521364084 > > >> as Dead On Arrival. Even for so called crypto people. Tis a sad day in >> Eurasia folks. > >FWIW, I still get encrypted mail, about one/month, or so. > >-- >Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org >______________________________________________________________ >ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org >8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE From coderman at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 05:06:37 2008 From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:06:37 -0800 Subject: How long can you go with an expired key? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ef5fec60802250506hb3c0697k10b3c05cc0dfbe21@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, J.A. Terranson wrote: > ... > I left the expired key on the .sig, and started the clock to see how long > it would take for someone to notice. relying on an active reply / notification to you to determine "notice" is flawed, "notice" can be passive :) [besides, much more disconcerting than a long used key expiring, is a fraudulent key or long deprecated key (rollback) being used, or other such indicators more worthy of an active "heads up" response or just extreme scrutiny...] > So, CP Distributed Lists are dead. dead is such a relative term... :P From cypherpunks at jfet.org Mon Feb 25 05:33:19 2008 From: cypherpunks at jfet.org (Tabatha Tovar) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:33:19 -0500 Subject: Repl1ca watch is a perfect gift! Message-ID: 0rder precious repl1ca w4tches! 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So nobody sends you encrypted mail. > I had fully expected a CP to be the lucky contestent, but alas, Cpunks I don't know where cypherpunks are, they're for sure no longer on this list. > dont bother with key management anymore - heck, we dont even bother with > distributed email anymore AFAIK. Alas, the alert correspondent was Hey, you only now notice anonymous remailers have been dead for some half decade? > a commercial software vendor who makes little widgets. I had made an > inquiry about a mass purchase, and they noticed the [now profoundly] > expired key, and decided to Do The Right Thing and encrypt. Only they > couldn't, as the key was deader than dead: it was "Tim May Someone Needs > Killing Dead". And, even better, they were nice enough to point it out, > assuming I was unaware. I am BCC'ing this post to said vendor: you really > did do The Right Thing, and I applaud you for it! That you are the only > one to notice is, I hope, a sign of the attention to detail I will find in > your widgets. > > So, CP Distributed Lists are dead. The list, singular is tottering, and > has been for years, and now, I think I can proclaim Encryption Everywhere O'Rly? Received: from proton.jfet.org (proton.jfet.org [69.60.117.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "sp2734", Issuer "sp2734" (not verified)) by v64.ativel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372521364084 > as Dead On Arrival. Even for so called crypto people. Tis a sad day in > Eurasia folks. 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