Kissinger: Nation-State Collapsing, Film At 11

[Tyler Durden]

Huh? Me, a leftist?

OK, I read Chomsky sometimes. He's right about some things. The one (only?)
thing the best leftists are good at is pointing to a lot of the bad shit in
'capitalist' (read: US)  society that nobody wants to see.

But as for the communists, war has had little to do with it. The soviets in
the end beat themselves and imploded their economy, and the practical Chinese
recognized the inevitable. Come to think of it, the one thing that might end
up killing the US is the hard-on sported by the so-called right wing to
convert the US economy into a command-driven one via the military industrial
complex. In other words, the problem with the republicans is that they're
Stalinists in disguise and, as you look to point out, supply and demand (or
physics) will get them in the end: You can only print up so much funny money.

As for winning in Vietnam...do you mean in this universe? And saying that we
were 'winning' except for the cut in funds is kinda like saying "we were
winning except for running out of bullets and soldiers"...

-TD> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:02:01 -0500> To: camera_lumina at hotmail.com;
clips at philodox.com; dgcchat at dgcchat.com; cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net> From:
rah at shipwright.com> Subject: RE: Kissinger: Nation-State Collapsing, Film At
11> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----> Hash: SHA1> > At 6:28 AM -0500
11/18/07, Tyler Durden wrote:> >The Vietcong chased our guys up the stairs of
the ebassy to the choppers.> > After a so-called "democratic" congress took
away *all* their money?> > We were winning in Viet Nam. Hell, we *won* the Tet
"offensive", for that> matter.> > We lost on college campae, where history is
written, apparently, by losers.> And in the media, which is the first draft of
same, also written by losers,> in the long run.> > Unwash you mind, Tyler, and
learn not to regurgitate leftism so much, hmmm?> > Yes, boys and girls,
"empires" are, currently, like for the last 12,000> years or so, what happens
when you win too many fights. Life's a bitch and> then the empire falls. Which
is what Kissinger, oddly enough, is saying.> Which is nonetheless true even if
The Dick Cheney, er, Darth Vader, Of The> Nixon Administration said it.> >
Better inside the tent pissing out, frankly.> > If you really want to freak
your knee-jerk reflex out, go read, horrors,> Victor Davis Hanson's "Carnage
and Culture", and come back when you change> your underwear. The west wins
wars because it makes more stuff and kills> more people. The VietCommies are
knocking on *our* door to do business, not> us on theirs. They used the
*West's* technology, and even one of its more> broken
pseudo-sciences-cum-religions, Marxism, because they had none of> their own
that would work. Still do.> > Certainly, crypto, and geodesic networks, have
the potential to re-organize> society, because society maps pretty much to is
communications> architectures, but, at the moment, we're still stuck in a
world of> hierarchy and book-entry transactions. Lots of people nailing
manifestos on> the church doors (see this list, 15 years ago, now...), but
nobody's> printed 'em for the peasants and princes to read and burn down the>
cathedrals with yet.> > Though, strangely enough, Kissinger himself notes,
underneath his black> helmet and around puffs of his ventilator, and if you
can bestill your> jerking knees that long to read that far, that the
nation-state's days are> numbered.> > Probably, I would claim, because of
geodesic networks, and maybe even> crypto :-).> > Kewl.> > Cheers,> RAH> >
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