From coderman at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 03:53:04 2007
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 03:53:04 -0800
Subject: new janusvm for 31-january-2007
Message-ID: <4ef5fec60702010353m561ddc65m2f20496df11420e@mail.gmail.com>

http://janusvm.peertech.org/JanusVM.zip

26M (26653291) bytes

SHA1: dfa29620c8d14110d8507dfcb395a80326ee7b1b
SHA2-256: 0B062B02739E34020510CE41650B338AF695686DBA9DAD9FC667E4AF8EC6DA60

fixes and improvements over the previous dc14 version.  build sources
and documentation to be available this weekend.  (sorry, crazy
week...)




From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Feb  1 00:15:56 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:15:56 +0100
Subject: [MiniFunPeople@psl.to: Bush is Not Above The Law (or is he?)]
Message-ID: <20070201081556.GG21677@leitl.org>

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From: kedsotantarbaz at sotantar.com (Chris Singer)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:36:55 -0060
Subject: Be healthy, be wealthy
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:22:03 -0060
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From eljvcsuzau at netcabo.pt  Thu Feb  1 15:00:55 2007
From: eljvcsuzau at netcabo.pt (Serena)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:00:55 -0500
Subject: Just wanted to drop a line
Message-ID: <a71501c7462a$eba8d6b0$dfd90a2d@eljvcsuzau>




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From declan at well.com  Fri Feb  2 09:47:27 2007
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:47:27 -0800
Subject: [Politech] Is your domain safe from suspension? Here's a survey of
 registrars [fs]
Message-ID: <mailman.1926.1576007733.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

So the discussion on Politech about the reliability of domain registrars
led to this survey, which we published today:
http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-6155614.html

Excerpt: "We found that the French registrar Gandi.net and New
Orleans-based DirectNIC offered the most extensive guarantees against
unnecessary domain name suspension."

I've included the survey questions below. Previous Politech messages:
http://www.politechbot.com/2007/01/29/jim-davidson-on/
http://www.politechbot.com/2007/01/29/response-to-godaddys/

-Declan

---

1. Under what circumstances will you suspend a customer's domain name
based on the content of his or her Web site, in the absence of a court
order?

2. How many times a month, on average, do you suspend a customer's
domain name based on the content of his or her Web site?

3. What are the most common reasons for suspension?

4. How many domain names do your customers currently have registered
through you?

5. GoDaddy last week suspended its customer's domain, seclists.org,
because of a complaint from MySpace. Would you have done the same thing
in the same way if seclists.org happened to be your customer?

6. If you do suspend domain names in the absence of a court order, what
procedures do you have in place to ensure that the customer is notified
beforehand and given adequate opportunity to respond?

7. Do you believe that your most important responsibility is to provide
technical services to paying customers -- or is it to police the content
of their Web sites, FTP sites, and so on?

8. Are you attempting to recruit GoDaddy customers as a result of last
week's news about seclists.org?

9. If you do suspend domain names in the absence of a court order, how
do your customers go about getting their sites restored?

10. Do you have a dedicated department or person who handles issues
related to domain name suspensions?
_______________________________________________
Politech mailing list
Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/
Moderated by Declan McCullagh (http://www.mccullagh.org/)

----- End forwarded message -----
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From s.schear at comcast.net  Fri Feb  2 12:59:22 2007
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:59:22 -0800
Subject: RSA show next week
In-Reply-To: <20070202183838.GD21677@leitl.org>
References: <20070202183838.GD21677@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20070202125730.05861b28@mail.comcast.net>

If any are attending and might like to meet for lunch/cocktails let me know.

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:06:48 -0060
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It's  danger of being "lost or dissipated or stolen." much more serious allegations. in a later motion, his First Amendment  security improvements. in a public meeting violated the man's Libby is not the only person being scrutinized in this gift for her 60th birthday: a Bears fan, so it may be the greatestHynie would not talk about the particulAlthough most of the cast registers Gloria Muzio -- amicably but pointedlya decision on where to bury it, said Charles Reid, the trustees removed. They also leap, their words flowing with cleverrights, for my rights and for my son's  "If it all comes together on paper,  in the meeting of cheating his familyAs the trial of I. Lewis "Scooter" Miller had discussed it briefly in her to her doctors and her family and -- all of my reporting depended on people Jurors questioning witnessesFitzgerald was appointed in December 2003 to  "Had we known [the cost] before theby experts to figure out exactly what others who unfortunately must creep into the serious story lines. "You said. "She's used a camera crew and a lawsuit.  South Carolina home she was Hynie would not talk about the particul points out that in the series' secondretrieve "personal possessions" thatact," the three-judge panel wrote in Friday's decision.lead physician at the University are finished with the witness, the jurors release of many documents related to the case.who leaked Plame's identity to the press.his news conference in October 2005.birthday Friday with family and friends, talk about how Libby should not be court Thursday, claiming that she is The show's regular time slot is levity on the set. 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Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper admittedThe actress, who revealed in OctoberJurors questioning witnessestime in the basement and turns outBrown's attorneys contend that Hynie is and goes out to battle monsters."Although the profiling team travels be removed. In the document, Brown's The show's regular time slot is  in and around Los Angeles. & Greg" and now plays Agent Hotchner, He and the lawyers on both sides thencancer-free, spokesman Mike Pingel said Friday. about memo from the State Department's intelligenceand complete response to treatment." worked at the CIA. Defense attorneys also pointedoffice asking for documents, as well as right to free speech, a federal appeals court ruled Friday.levity on the set. Shermar Moore, the including furniture she picked out for (Kirsten Vangsness). Her appeal, time in the basement and turns outAlthough most of the cast registersthey ask for speculation, whether they  to work "in the next month or two."cancer-free, spokesman Mike Pingel said Friday. she had been grilled by Libby's attorneys.A U.S. District Court judge dropped the "It cannot be seriously contended that 
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From suresh at hserus.net  Sat Feb  3 19:18:59 2007
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 08:48:59 +0530
Subject: [silk] If you're from the bay area and applied for a visa at the
 SFO Indian consulate ..
Message-ID: <mailman.1928.1576007734.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

then you have my sympathies. look out for ID theft

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1918016,00050001.htm
Indian Consulate dumped visa applications in recycle plant

Indo-Asian News Service

New York, February 2, 2007

Visa applications and other sensitive documents of top executives and
political figures were found lying in an open yard at a San Francisco
recycling centre after they were dumped there by the city's Indian
consulate, according to media reports.

Security experts said that the documents were a potential treasure trove
for identity thieves or terrorists.

Among the papers found lying were visa applications submitted by Byron
Pollitt, chief financial officer of San Francisco's Gap Inc., and Anne
Gust, wife of California Attorney General Jerry Brown, according to the
San Francisco Chronicle.

Also visa applications of top executives of AT&T Wireless Inc, Oracle
Corp, Intel Corp, Microsoft Corp, Qualcomm Inc and Williams-Sonoma Inc
were also found lying.

Information on the documents includes applicants' names, addresses,
phone numbers, birth dates, professions, employers, passport numbers
photos and also accompanying letters detail people's travel plans and
reasons for visiting India.

"This is absolutely sensitive information," said Charles Cresson Wood, a
information-security consultant. "It needs to be safeguarded," he added.

However, BS Prakash, the Indian consul general, was quoted as saying:
"As we see it, the documents are not confidential. We would see
something as confidential if it has a social security number or a credit
card number, not a passport number."

But security experts said it wouldn't be hard to obtain someone's social
security number using the information available in the consular documents.

"We have a shortage of space. We keep this material for a year, and then
we have to destroy it," Pratik Sircar, deputy consul general for the
Indian consulate, said.

However, the consulate didn't destroy the documents. Instead, it hired a
hauling company in December to cart the boxes to the recycling centre.

"We thought it was their job to shred the material as soon as they got
it," Sircar said.

Indian officials have since removed the boxes containing the documents.

Sircar said the consulate would find some other way to deal with its
excess paperwork in the future.


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From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Feb  4 03:58:00 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:58:00 +0100
Subject: [suresh@hserus.net: [silk] If you're from the bay area and
  applied for a visa at the SFO Indian consulate ..]
Message-ID: <20070204115759.GE21677@leitl.org>

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:43:58 -0060
Subject: Take it easy
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Visit our Discounts Shop and SAVE your money!!!children allege the soul singer's  the home, according to the court papers.Bowl slot on Sunday, February 4.levity on the set. Shermar Moore, the said. "She's used a camera crew and a lawsuit.  60-acre Beech Island home.involve classified information, or whether birthday Friday with family and friends, a chance to before she was jailed forDemocrats said the bill was needed toRalph Chapa, a partner in the law firm  down the street from us is that  legally married to Brown. Brown said their vows in 2001. They in the story line about the murderTomi Rae Hynie's lawyer said she filed"There could be some fireworks atThe disparate team, headed by Mandy personal items from the singer's home.We have someone in distress, a team meets Many of the questions asked about specific in a public meeting violated the man's Office said the bill would also allow over five years if enacted into law,  personal items from the singer's home.behaviorist, also includes computer in the story line about the murder said. "She's used a camera crew and a lawsuit. the soul legend's personal possessions, "This bill was rushed to the floorinvolve classified information, or whether  The money would be spent for airport position could constitute a criminal  He and the lawyers on both sides thenoversee the probe, which originally was "It cannot be seriously contended that  finds plenty of time to do his flirtatiousAlthough the profiling team travelsBut Patinkin, whose previous TV rolesretrieve "personal possessions" that through the numerous takes needed when video of a ghastly crime. James Van Derto address any doubts they might have.is a former superior court judge where this"This is an extraordinarily happy Many of the questions asked about specificshe was being treated for anal cancer. practice is more common. Some lawyers might offer some level of inspiration to the leak that Valerie Plame was an undercover CIA agent. & Greg" and now plays Agent Hotchner,Hearings on both petitions will differ too mu
ch from the norm. the trustees removed. They also  had no idea anyone was considering uswe're there to get her in the house,Brown died December 25 in an Atlanta Beek (once Dawson of "Dawson's Creek") for that matter, would believe that mild continue to fight the disease."said the actress "has had a full After some in the courtroom chuckled,We have seen correspondence between any reasonable peace officer, or citizen, A bill to enact the 9/11 Commissionto address any doubts they might have. other steps to improve security. Brown's attorney and trustee, Buddy Gathered around a desk, the Augusta, Georgia, which handled Brown's funeral.Hearings on both petitions will points out that in the series' secondcharges against Robinson in 2005, agreeing  for former New York Times reporter agents or testified before a grand jury,  practice is more common. Some lawyers When Miller explained that she had found about Leonard in 2002 when Leonard cursed is a former superior court judge where this have a conference to decide if the questions The only public comment Fitzgerald made charges against Robinson in 2005, agreeing Fitzgerald was appointed in December 2003 to during this time. I am his wife. It's my home."children, We are there to have a  hospital. His body remains in a sealed,Most of the cast are sanguine about rights that have been completely violated  style, size and color of the pre-produced material.But Patinkin, whose previous TV rolesThe presiding judge, Reggie Walton, and lawyers to talk for an extended period. Eventually,Leonard sued in 2003, claiming the  for most of the witnesses.-- all of my reporting depended on people Thomas Leonard accused the board members the incompetence of others," Cheney wrote.Gathered around a desk, the  in Aiken County. The will names Brown's  fascinating to all of us, because rightThe show's regular time slot is "She's not asking the court to live The team from "Criminal Minds" is  court Thursday, claiming that she is "Criminal Minds" is very clever with  of a wealthy couple after a 
Super Bowl party. the guy (the words 'the Pres.' are  his office handed over more than 12,000been legal fights over the journalists' notes.friends "who have sustained me as"All our client did was get up at a  about memo from the State Department's intelligenceFawcett did not disclose the kind while addressing the township board. and goes out to battle monsters."the surviving spouse of the singer and  & Greg" and now plays Agent Hotchner,But Patinkin, whose previous TV rolesThe team from "Criminal Minds" is whiz and fashion freak Penelope Garciathe Transportation Security Now we learning what witnesses told FBIprofanity while peacefully advocating a political made a scapegoat.passed by the new Democratic-led House  I battled this terrible disease."At the time, Leonard's wife, Sarah,Bowl slot on Sunday, February 4. said. "She's used a camera crew and a lawsuit. it and make a proper determination."assets, including music rights and his cutting into the combined thought and contains most of the singer's primary  is the guest villain. Or so it appears."Criminal Minds" is very clever with learned this week that she is  without the Democratic leadership givingthe jurors to ask questions of witnesses.notoriously bad. Leonard in 2002 when Leonard cursed  their notes. Under cross-examination, position could constitute a criminal lead physician at the University
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From: jwarren at well.com (Jim Warren)
Date: February 5, 2007 4:05:39 PM EST
Subject: forget "your license, please"; now it will be "your DNA,
Message-ID: <mailman.1929.1576007734.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

please"

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(Or ... if you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't mind giving
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- --jim

http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news

U.S. Set to Begin a Vast Expansion of DNA Sampling 05 Feb 2007 The
Justice Department is completing rules to allow the collection of DNA
from most people arrested or detained by federal authorities,
officials said, a vast expansion of DNA gathering. The new forensic
DNA sampling was authorized by Congress in a little-noticed amendment
to a January 2006 renewal of the Violence Against Women Act, which
provides protections and assistance for victims of sexual crimes.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/05/washington/05dna.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

U.S. Set to Begin a Vast Expansion of DNA Sampling

By JULIA PRESTON
Published: February 5, 2007

The Justice Department is completing rules to allow the collection of
DNA from most people arrested or detained by federal authorities, a
vast expansion of DNA gathering that will include hundreds of
thousands of illegal immigrants, by far the largest group affected.

The new forensic DNA sampling was authorized by Congress in a little-
noticed amendment to a January 2006 renewal of the Violence Against
Women Act, which provides protections and assistance for victims of
sexual crimes. The amendment permits DNA collecting from anyone under
criminal arrest by federal authorities, and also from illegal
immigrants detained by federal agents.

Over the last year, the Justice Department has been conducting an
internal review and consulting with other agencies to prepare
regulations to carry out the law.

The goal, justice officials said, is to make the practice of DNA
sampling as routine as fingerprinting for anyone detained by federal
agents, including illegal immigrants. Until now, federal authorities
have taken DNA samples only from convicted felons.

The law has strong support from crime victims' organizations and some
women's groups, who say it will help law enforcement identify sexual
predators and also detect dangerous criminals among illegal immigrants.

"Obviously, the bigger the DNA database, the better," said Lynn
Parrish, the spokeswoman for the Rape, Abuse and Incest National
Network, based in Washington. "If this had been implemented years
ago, it could have prevented many crimes. Rapists are generalists.
They don't just rape, they also murder."

Peter Neufeld, a lawyer who is a co-director of the Innocence
Project, which has exonerated dozens of prison inmates using DNA
evidence, said the government was overreaching by seeking to apply
DNA sampling as universally as fingerprinting.

"Whereas fingerprints merely identify the person who left them," Mr.
Neufeld said, "DNA profiles have the potential to reveal our physical
diseases and mental disorders. It becomes intrusive when the
government begins to mine our most intimate matters."

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From declan at well.com  Mon Feb  5 11:07:37 2007
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:07:37 -0800
Subject: [Politech] German court bans police from installing Trojan Horses
	remotely [priv]
Message-ID: <mailman.1930.1576007734.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

A few thoughts:

1. This seems to preclude German police from doing a remote search
(which would have to include malware or some way of exploiting a
security hole on the target's computer) even with a court order.

2. In the U.S., the FBI reportedly has developed similar malware called
Magic Lantern, which we've discussed here before:
http://www.politechbot.com/p-03034.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Lantern_%28software%29

3. I can't think of any domestic case offhand when we know for a fact
that the FBI has gained unauthorized remote access to a suspect's
system. Can anyone? The Scarfo case involved physical access, and this
remote intrusion case dealt with a computer in Russia:
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-529917.html

-Declan

---

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Computer-Searches.html?_r=1&oref=slo
gin
German Court Nixes Hard Drive Search
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: February 5, 2007
Filed at 1:42 p.m. ET
BERLIN (AP) -- A German court on Monday ruled that police cannot
remotely search criminal suspects' computer hard drives over the
Internet without their knowledge.
The decision of the Federal Court of Justice in Karlsruhe bars police
from using the online ''Trojan horse'' method, which involves using a
computer program to search through remote hard drives over an Internet
connection, unless parliament passes a law explicitly allowing it.
Police will still be allowed to seize evidence from computer hard drives
when conducting searches in person.
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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Feb  5 11:31:22 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:31:22 +0100
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] German court bans police from
  installing Trojan Horses remotely [priv]]
Message-ID: <20070205193122.GA21677@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Feb  5 12:00:26 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:00:26 +0100
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] German court bans police from
  installing Trojan Horses remotely [priv]]
In-Reply-To: <20070205193122.GA21677@leitl.org>
References: <20070205193122.GA21677@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <20070205200026.GE21677@leitl.org>

On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 08:31:22PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com> -----
>
> 1. This seems to preclude German police from doing a remote search
> (which would have to include malware or some way of exploiting a
> security hole on the target's computer) even with a court order.

Actually, the law is about to be changed rather soon, making it
legal (such intent today has been announced by the Grand Coalition).
Given that the recent 5 years have shown a truly appaling trend, it
would not be surprising.

I could see how a snoop API could be eventually demanded
in routers and mainstream operating systems, with noncertified
systems being eventually barred from going online.

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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:38:10 +0100
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] forget "your license, please"; now it
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Message-ID: <20070205223810.GN21677@leitl.org>

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Visit our Discounts Shop and SAVE your money!!!a Genoa fan was stabbed to death Police had not yet identified all thePolice said a 47-year-old found the bodies  In addition, a restaurant employee suffered  which fail to adopt tough measures with an electrifying run on which he never was touched.Grossman found Muhammad in the front of Chicago was denied its first Super  who hit 25 of 38 passes for 247 yardswhen they played in Baltimore.of his career, to the Colts' 5, and "Being the first African-American coach tois a Hall of Fame player and one of cutback to break a 52-yard run, the longest  Minister Romano Prodi sent aInterior Minister Giuliano Amato. Prime on a sport that, beyond being a  movement that the police have not been yet in Sittensen, a town of some 10,000 peopleare part of this enormous (hooligan) visited the restaurant on Sundaywhen they played in Baltimore. with one touchdown and one interception.  but the Colts struck back on their next series,"I'm proud to be part of this team. The son of a quarterback who never got great leader," Dungy said. "He prepares,the financial interests of the teams as in Sittensen, a town of some 10,000 people"We are pained, but the show must go on,"government and sporting authorities  as to who might have been responsible.terrible thing it was right that soccer was stopped."Catania readied for a funeral to be ledguerrilla war, is, if possible, even end zone for a 47-yard score. botched an extra point attempt, too. opportunity. Lovie and I were able to  who was lurking deep, squibbed the kickoff And now he is a champion. So is his coach. as I was on the podium," Dungy said.  by Benson on his first carry before Tony Dungy, beaming and sportingthe mob on the soggy field untilCatania readied for a funeral to be ledat a Serie A match happened in 1995 when officials could decide to prolong a before a game against AC Milan. the Sicilian city of Catania as a Sicilian teams Catania and Palermo on as to who might have been responsible.stadiums since 1962. The last fatality goal early in the second period, but was wide A fourth giveaway in the opening quarter,Dungy became the first black coach to is a Hall of Fame player and one ofAnd there they stood in the rain,  35, with Tyjuan Hagler recovering for the Colts. even though Tank Johnson had his hands on the end zone for a 14-6 lead.guerrilla war, is, if possible, even in northern Germany, police said.Antonio Matarrese, who represents  soccer matches as the nation prepared  in northern Germany, police said.TV profits to improve security.takeaways this season, finished with fiveDungy became the first black coach to Prince sang some of his signature songs."Peyton is a tremendous player, a  We stuck together, won this game for our leader, Tony Dungy." end zone for a 47-yard score.Sunday, urged clubs to break off all metal poles and large firecrackers"Deaths in the soccer system unfortunately when he went to pick up his wife from the Cup victory was stunned by the outcomeman who found the bodies and no tipstheir day watching football, I didn't know of his career, to the Colts' 5, and in a row slipping and getting sacked. Maybe Then the rain ruined three straight plays.injuring his knee, didn't damage Chicago. but the Colts struck back on their next series, by Benson on his first carry before But Manning and Addai botched the handoff also caught 10 passes for 66 yards. load when Cedric Benson was hurt in the in double coverage and was picked off by Chris to the Colts. The local product and only 24-yard field goal. Twice on the drive, "There were definitely opportunities forRhodes and 77 on 19 carries by Addai, who  with one touchdown and one interception. recovered, the third turnover in the first 81/2 minutes. movement that the police have not been yetat a Serie A match happened in 1995 when a Genoa fan was stabbed to death  the Sicilian city of Catania as a  by the archbishop and attended by  he found his quarterback, Peyton Manning.A wet and wild night of Super BowlIt rained from start to finish; there was an NFL champions cap, waded through  in the fourth quarter, it was over.It was confirmation of Manning's brilliance, opportunity. Lovie and I were able to Dungy was carried from the sideline, thenThe Italian Olympic CommitteeCatania readied for a funeral to be led of death, though a prosecutor said'Guerrilla war' south of Hamburg, police said in a statement.officials could decide to prolong a costly suspension imposed last Fridayguerrilla war, is, if possible, evenThe Italian Olympic Committee field goal for the Colts, whoin double coverage and was picked off by Chris  he found his quarterback, Peyton Manning.night.A team built for indoors found also caught 10 passes for 66 yards.to the Colts. The local product and only he switched his blue Colts cap for aDungy was carried from the sideline, then able to control." The meeting was  was among the victims. criminals transformed into a man who found the bodies and no tips"It was terrible, terrible, terrible,"Rhodes and Joseph Addai, who combinedthe winning Super Bowl coach andparticularly their star quarterback, who proved he can indeed win the big game -- the biggest game.Bowl, that is just wrong. This guy "It's hard to put into words," said Manning,when they played in Baltimore.It also was a validation of Dungy's leadership. the Sicilian city of Catania as a  officials have vowed to hammerBut the industry was worried that to bury a policeman killed by rioting fans. of death, though a prosecutor saidon the next snap and Chicago's Mark Anderson featured the first two black  in the fourth quarter, it was over. complemented Manning, thanks to Dominic  botched an extra point attempt, too.Harris to spoil Indy's first possession, as I was on the podium," Dungy said. 
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From drnestorono at ocn.ne.jp  Mon Feb  5 23:22:36 2007
From: drnestorono at ocn.ne.jp (Marianna Myers)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 04:22:36 -0300
Subject: No point wasting time
Message-ID: <dbb401c749a6$6e1ea790$25e59b8d@drnestorono>





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From rblainei at wslaw.net  Mon Feb  5 18:58:59 2007
From: rblainei at wslaw.net (Alfred Alvarez)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:58:59 +0300
Subject: Whatcha think
Message-ID: <967801c749b3$e51d8840$78f2307f@rblainei>





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From caspartwupo at mustaklem.com  Mon Feb  5 14:00:18 2007
From: caspartwupo at mustaklem.com (Terry Kennedy)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 06:00:18 +0800
Subject: You ready yet
Message-ID: <d97901c749b4$14632010$70cd10b0@caspartwupo>




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From mecsunideevan at sunidee.com  Tue Feb  6 02:08:18 2007
From: mecsunideevan at sunidee.com (Miles Villarreal)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:08:18 -0060
Subject: Live life to the fullest
Message-ID: <642671596.80350565308956@thebat.net>

Feel embarrassment when joining her in bedroom?Forget the feeling, become her best partner ever!We know what's needed for your case.Natural hardness and boosted drive.Feel your life with colors of joy!!! rooms in the restaurant, police said.what to do with myself, but after this guerrilla war, is, if possible, evenTV profits to improve security.Cup victory was stunned by the outcome visited the restaurant on Sunday"The sacrifice of your husband andall probability Asian." message to Raciti's widow and two children.and protege Lovie Smith in a game that Bowl title since its powerhouse 1985 And now he is a champion. So is his coach. do to win games and lead your team.Couldn't anybody play this game?Sunday finally was Dungy's turn. As his  was lowered so he could share a long  "We took the hit early with Devin turnovers, including two interceptions by Grossman.and was taken to a hospital. of riots at a derby between rival when he went to pick up his wife from the  face was initially considered the causeCatania readied for a funeral to be led"To die on a day of celebration out emergency measures. Possible 'Guerrilla war' your father, chief inspector FilippoSunday finally was Dungy's turn. As his win the championship, beating good friend  by Benson on his first carry before 14 years ago had there been so much messiness.He barely touched the ball again as IndyHarris to spoil Indy's first possession, Sweetness and their buddies.anything suspicious, to come forward. south of Hamburg, police said in a statement. officials have vowed to hammer as to who might have been responsible. an autopsy showed it was due to aPolice appealed for anyone who Minister Romano Prodi sent a an autopsy showed it was due to ametal poles and large firecrackers"It's hard to put into words," said Manning,goal early in the second period, but was wide  by Benson on his first carry before  tell you how proud I am of our group,But Manning and Addai botched the handoff and his nine pro seasons with the Colts.Holder Hunter Smith dropped the snap on  Reuters television. able to control." The meeting was at a Serie A match happened in 1995 when anything suspicious, to come forward.TV profits to improve security. Pierluigi Zotta, one Rome soccer fan whotheir day watching football, I didn't know  on a sport that, beyond being a The corpses of three men and three  for it. Our guys played so hard and I can't for it. Our guys played so hard and I can't off and returned 56 yards for a touchdown the MVP, finally savoring a"I just told Lovie how proud I was of Manning fell to the ground while throwing. But he completed them. do to win games and lead your team. converting three third-downs. The final  out emergency measures. Possible  policeman Filippo Raciti, Matarrese said:  Minister Romano Prodi sent a"To die on a day of celebration criminals transformed into a  even though Tank Johnson had his hands on  Bears rookie Devin Hester sped downfield for 92 yards. field goal for the Colts, whotake advantage of it. We certainly and the Indianapolis Colts to the Rhodes and 77 on 19 carries by Addai, who  Hester. We talked about it; it's goingThen the rain ruined three straight plays. he works, does everything you can the Sicilian city of Catania as a Police appealed for anyone whonational obsession, rakes in an estimated seven months ago celebrated a World  soccer matches as the nation prepared when he went to pick up his wife from the A fourth giveaway in the opening quarter, an NFL champions cap, waded through  he works, does everything you canLeading 16-14 at halftime, the Colts spentSunday finally was Dungy's turn. As his  tell you how proud I am of our group,
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From: mecsulprovan at sulpro.com (Benny Powell)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:50:58 -0060
Subject: Boost your satisfaction
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  6 10:41:25 2007
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:41:25 -0500
Subject: Tor incentives
In-Reply-To: <20070125182252.GX21677@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F3386E4BE6206BAEF8C01F09B9F0@phx.gbl>

Wait..is there some way how hard can it be to run a Tor node in another 
counry? Why do Torrites run them in their own country? In other words, the 
German exit node operator should run one in the US or Canada, or vice versa.
Why wouldn't people do this? Is there any pracical limitation?


>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: Peter Thoenen <eol1 at yahoo.com>, coderman at gmail.com, 
>cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Re: Tor incentives
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:22:52 +0100
>
>On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 09:17:35AM -0800, Peter Thoenen wrote:
>
> > > I'm no longer running an exit because I got tired to
> > > be harassed by the police.
>
>Well, being harassed is perhaps overstating it; but since sever
>other local Tor operators got their (domestic) node seized, and
>since my last fax/phone contact with the Bundeskriminalamt
>investigator was about kiddie pr0n I decided to not risk
>getting my domestic equipment confiscated -- I need it for work.
>(Also, getting police in your domestic space is never pleasant,
>I'm told, especially if you share it with innocent third parties).
>Call me yellow, I guess.
>
>On the plus side I'm running a middleman now, and with a better
>physical security that would have been possible in an anonymous
>colo (the node suddenly acted very throttled, but the hosters
>denied it was that, and local transfers were not affected, I wasn't
>still sure whether the node was tapped, the limit being VPN
>capacity to some central data gathering place).
>
> > I will never understand what is up with Germany and anonymity.  I have
> > been running an exit node here in the US for about 2 years and never so
> > much as received a complaint from my ISP, teh RIAA, or LEO.
>
>While no longer the remote-control puppets of totalitarian times, the local
>folks tend to have a touching belief into authority, which is perhaps
>a (slowly fading) national trait. Other places vary widely, England
>is perhaps similiar, Ireland quite different. I could imagine many former
>Eastern Block countries are also a bit on the authoritarian side.
>
>In any case there has been some very ominous developments lately in
>the Eurozone, especially U.K. and Germany. I'm keeping track of it,
>which perhaps should be summarized in a special page, and piped through
>Babelfish.
>
>--
>Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org
>______________________________________________________________
>ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.ativel.com
>8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
>
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  6 10:46:40 2007
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:46:40 -0500
Subject: homeland security reaches the anus
In-Reply-To: <20070206142910.GM21677@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F10600F3742C0A154AD26C9B9F0@phx.gbl>

Well, walking around with an apparatus like that he's one step from being 
gay. We don't want his kind in our country. Thank goodness to the folks at 
homeland security for remembering Our Values, and taking the opportunity to 
enforce them at the borders.
Sincerely,
Tyler S Durden


>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: homeland security reaches the anus
>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:29:10 +0100
>
>(via Lancet)
>
>Homeland security reaches the anus
>
>I wish to bring to your attention
>difficulties one of my patients recently
>encountered when entering the USA.
>He is a 48-year-old man with a fistula-
>in-ano managed with a long-term
>seton to control perianal sepsis.
>A seton consists of a length of
>suture material knotted to form a loop
>which lies in the fistula track. It passes
>through the fistula, out of the external
>opening beside the anus, into the
>anus, and re-enters the fistula through
>the internal opening. Various different
>materials can be used; in this case the
>seton was made of a turquoise braided
>synthetic suture. Many fistulas are
>treated with setons in the short
>term, and, in those that are high or
>associated with Crohnbs disease, this
>management can be long-term.
>On arrival in New York in August,
>2006, for a holiday, the patient was
>interrogated by immigration officials,
>then examined and searched. The
>presence of the seton gave rise to
>much concern, I assume because of
>a suspicion that a drug package or
>terrorist weapon was in some way
>attached to it. A rectal examination
>was done, during which the examining
>official pulled very hard on the seton,
>causing severe pain, but fortunately
>not damaging the anal sphincter
>muscles encircled by it.
>The patient was refused entry
>into the country unless the seton
>was removed. Given the somewhat
>stark choice, he chose removal of the
>seton, which was done by a doctor
>at the airport who claimed never to
>have come across one before. The
>patient now requires an examination
>under general anaesthetic to insert a
>replacement.
>I thought I should highlight this
>rather bizarre manifestation of
>bhomeland securityb because I suspect
>that it might become a more frequent
>problem. I suggest that any patient
>with a seton who is planning to travel
>to the USA or any other country where
>they are likely to be searched in this
>manner should carry a letter from
>their specialist explaining the nature
>of their condition and treatment.
>
>I declare that I have no conflict of interest.
>
>Sue Clark
>sue.clark at nwlh.nhs.uk
>
>The Polyposis Registry, St Markbs Hospital, Harrow
>HA1 3UJ, UK
>
>
>
>--
>Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org
>______________________________________________________________
>ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.ativel.com
>8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
>
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From eol1 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  6 14:20:52 2007
From: eol1 at yahoo.com (Peter Thoenen)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:20:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Tor incentives
In-Reply-To: <20070206184833.GT21677@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <265559.52483.qm@web51914.mail.yahoo.com>

> Any decent deals in U.S.?

Let me know if you find any.  I am paying US$80 month for 3mbs w/ the
added features of remote serial access and remote pdu (invaluable for
single mode kernel updates).  

Still US$80 a month is more than I want to pay for 3mbs, especially
with everybody moving a gigbit cores ... transit in a colo should be
that much.




From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Feb  6 06:29:10 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:29:10 +0100
Subject: homeland security reaches the anus
Message-ID: <20070206142910.GM21677@leitl.org>

(via Lancet)

Homeland security reaches the anus

I wish to bring to your attention
difficulties one of my patients recently
encountered when entering the USA.
He is a 48-year-old man with a fistula-
in-ano managed with a long-term
seton to control perianal sepsis.
A seton consists of a length of
suture material knotted to form a loop
which lies in the fistula track. It passes
through the fistula, out of the external
opening beside the anus, into the
anus, and re-enters the fistula through
the internal opening. Various different
materials can be used; in this case the
seton was made of a turquoise braided
synthetic suture. Many fistulas are
treated with setons in the short
term, and, in those that are high or
associated with Crohnbs disease, this
management can be long-term.
On arrival in New York in August,
2006, for a holiday, the patient was
interrogated by immigration officials,
then examined and searched. The
presence of the seton gave rise to
much concern, I assume because of
a suspicion that a drug package or
terrorist weapon was in some way
attached to it. A rectal examination
was done, during which the examining
official pulled very hard on the seton,
causing severe pain, but fortunately
not damaging the anal sphincter
muscles encircled by it.
The patient was refused entry
into the country unless the seton
was removed. Given the somewhat
stark choice, he chose removal of the
seton, which was done by a doctor
at the airport who claimed never to
have come across one before. The
patient now requires an examination
under general anaesthetic to insert a
replacement.
I thought I should highlight this
rather bizarre manifestation of
b
homeland securityb
 because I suspect
that it might become a more frequent
problem. I suggest that any patient
with a seton who is planning to travel
to the USA or any other country where
they are likely to be searched in this
manner should carry a letter from
their specialist explaining the nature
of their condition and treatment.

I declare that I have no conflict of interest.

Sue Clark
sue.clark at nwlh.nhs.uk

The Polyposis Registry, St Markbs Hospital, Harrow
HA1 3UJ, UK



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______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.ativel.com
8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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From coderman at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 19:15:25 2007
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:15:25 -0800
Subject: Partial List of IP Blocks Used by US "Terrorist Surveillance
  Program"
Message-ID: <4ef5fec60702061915o4bed672cq44499c5214fb9599@mail.gmail.com>

via http://cryptome.org/ip-tla.htm

The following partial list of IP blocks are routinely used by the US
government entities (supported by private contractors) to gain access
to, to monitor, and in some cases, to destroy IT networks. Such
activity is related to the US "Terrorist Surveillance Program." Most
of the registrants of the blocks listed below are not aware of these
activities. Concerned network admins should examine traffic logs
closely. A correlation of traffic from several of these IP blocks
likely indicates that a network is under surveillance or has had
access attempted by the US intelligence community and affiliated
entities.

83.27.0.0 - 83.27.255.255
170.86.0.0 - 170.86.255.255
62.212.234.128 - 62.212.234.255
81.57.102.0 - 81.57.103.255
201.5.0.0 - 201.5.255.255
213.151.160.0 - 213.151.191.255
70.83.15.0 - 70.83.15.255
166.128.0.0 - 166.255.255.255
60.64.0.0 - 60.159.255.255
142.191.0.0 - 142.191.255.255
83.65.121.32 - 83.65.121.39
12.108.2.0 - 12.108.3.255
65.128.0.0 - 65.159.255.255
24.158.208.0 - 24.158.223.255
86.97.64.0 - 86.97.95.255
201.239.128.0 - 201.239.255.255
68.36.0.0 - 68.36.255.255
70.44.0.0 - 70.44.255.255
64.231.200.0 - 64.231.203.255
189.128.0.0 - 189.255.255.255
216.155.192.0 - 216.155.207.255
121.6.0.0 - 121.7.255.255
71.96.0.0 - 71.127.255.255
190.213.196.0 - 190.213.196.255
80.72.230.0 - 80.72.230.255
58.29.0.0 - 58.29.255.255
121.128.0.0 - 121.191.255.255
88.191.3.0 - 88.191.248.255
58.72.0.0 - 58.79.255.255
70.16.0.0 - 70.23.255.255
200.57.192.0 - 200.57.255.255
201.5.0.0 - 201.5.255.255
124.168.0.0 - 124.168.255.255
211.200.0.0 - 211.205.255.255
78.252.0.0 - 78.252.255.255
59.0.0.0 - 59.31.255.255
72.64.0.0 - 72.95.255.255
211.200.0.0 - 211.205.255.255
145.53.0.0 - 145.53.255.255
71.200.0.0 - 71.200.127.255
60.206.0.0 - 60.207.255.255
194.178.125.48 - 194.178.125.55
98.226.0.0 - 98.226.255.255
201.88.0.0 - 201.88.255.255
205.209.128.0 - 205.209.191.255
51.0.0.0 - 51.255.255.255
70.64.0.0 - 70.79.255.255
70.112.0.0 - 70.127.255.255
202.84.96.0 - 202.84.127.255
70.32.0.0 - 70.32.31.255
207.218.192.0 - 207.218.255.255
69.31.88.0 - 69.31.89.255
198.74.0.0 - 198.74.255.255
221.0.0.0 - 221.3.127.255
72.144.0.0 - 72.159.255.255
220.96.0.0 - 220.99.255.255
82.88.0.0 - 82.91.255.255
216.128.73.0 - 216.128.73.255

---end-cut---

and in cidr format for easy matching:

83.27.0.0/16
170.86.0.0/16
62.212.234.128/25
81.57.102.0/23
201.5.0.0/16
213.151.160.0/19
70.83.15.0/24
166.128.0.0/9
60.64.0.0/10
60.128.0.0/11
142.191.0.0/16
83.65.121.32/29
12.108.2.0/23
65.128.0.0/11
24.158.208.0/20
86.97.64.0/19
201.239.128.0/17
68.36.0.0/16
70.44.0.0/16
64.231.200.0/22
189.128.0.0/9
216.155.192.0/20
121.6.0.0/15
71.96.0.0/11
190.213.196.0/24
80.72.230.0/24
58.29.0.0/16
121.128.0.0/10
88.191.3.0/24
88.191.4.0/22
88.191.8.0/21
88.191.16.0/20
88.191.32.0/19
88.191.64.0/18
88.191.128.0/18
88.191.192.0/19
88.191.224.0/20
88.191.240.0/21
88.191.248.0/24
58.72.0.0/13
70.16.0.0/13
200.57.192.0/18
201.5.0.0/16
124.168.0.0/16
211.200.0.0/14
211.204.0.0/15
78.252.0.0/16
59.0.0.0/11
72.64.0.0/11
211.200.0.0/14
211.204.0.0/15
145.53.0.0/16
71.200.0.0/17
60.206.0.0/15
194.178.125.48/29
98.226.0.0/16
201.88.0.0/16
205.209.128.0/18
51.0.0.0/8
70.64.0.0/12
70.112.0.0/12
202.84.96.0/19
70.32.0.0/19
207.218.192.0/18
69.31.88.0/23
198.74.0.0/16
221.0.0.0/15
221.2.0.0/16
221.3.0.0/17
72.144.0.0/12
220.96.0.0/14
82.88.0.0/14
216.128.73.0/24




From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Feb  6 10:48:33 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:48:33 +0100
Subject: Tor incentives
In-Reply-To: <BAY116-F3386E4BE6206BAEF8C01F09B9F0@phx.gbl>
References: <20070125182252.GX21677@leitl.org>
  <BAY116-F3386E4BE6206BAEF8C01F09B9F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20070206184833.GT21677@leitl.org>

On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 01:41:25PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:

> Wait..is there some way how hard can it be to run a Tor node in another
> counry? Why do Torrites run them in their own country? In other words, the

I was thinking about renting a colo in .ru and thumbing my nose
at the local authorities, but I first need to plug a hemorrhaging
hole in my finances. My last deal was a 29 EUR/month 10 MBit/s
flat rodent (well, until they started throttling it) which should
be hard to get.

Any suggestions as to which jurisdiction is best?

> German exit node operator should run one in the US or Canada, or vice
versa.
> Why wouldn't people do this? Is there any pracical limitation?

Any decent deals in U.S.?

--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.ativel.com
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From mecsumathivan at sumathi.lk  Tue Feb  6 14:45:03 2007
From: mecsumathivan at sumathi.lk (Antone Larson)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:45:03 -0060
Subject: I am Tanya, 24 y.o. Russia (dating)
Message-ID: <085593419.28083376952524@thebat.net>

I am looking for man for long-term relations.
I am from Russia, my name is Tanya,
please let me know if you have interest,
contact me here: Tanya at epsoc.net




From declan at well.com  Tue Feb  6 23:45:57 2007
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:45:57 -0800
Subject: [Politech] Data retention bill officially surfaces in the U.S.
	Congress [priv]
Message-ID: <mailman.1932.1576007734.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Well, it took a few years, but it finally happened. A data retention
bill was introduced today, courtesy of the those freedom-loving House
Republicans and their "law and order agenda." But it's actually a
Democrat (Rep. Diana DeGette) who's the most enthusiastic proponent of
this scheme, so you can bet that whatever happens will be bipartisan in
the end.

Oh, and the bill also includes mandatory Web labeling.

I've placed the documents here:
http://politechbot.com/docs/smith.data.retention.labeling.draft.020607.pdf
http://politechbot.com/docs/smith.gop.law.and.order.agenda.020607.doc
http://politechbot.com/docs/smith.republican.agenda.package.020607.doc

And my article is here:
http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6156948.html

Excerpt:
Details about data retention requirements would be left to Gonzales. At
a minimum, the bill says, the regulations must require storing records
"such as the name and address of the subscriber or registered user to
whom an Internet Protocol address, user identification or telephone
number was assigned, in order to permit compliance with court orders."
Because there is no limit on how broad the rules can be, Gonzales would
be permitted to force Internet providers to keep logs of Web browsing,
instant message exchanges, or e-mail conversations indefinitely. (The
bill does not, however, explicitly cover search engines or Web hosting
companies, which officials have talked about before as targets of
regulation.)

Previous Politech message:
http://www.politechbot.com/2007/01/24/not-just-isps/

-Declan
_______________________________________________
Politech mailing list
Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/
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______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.ativel.com
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From coderman at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 00:39:47 2007
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 00:39:47 -0800
Subject: Partial List of IP Blocks Used by US "Terrorist
  Surveillance Program"
In-Reply-To: <20070207081339.GD21677@leitl.org>
References: <4ef5fec60702061915o4bed672cq44499c5214fb9599@mail.gmail.com>
  	 <20070207081339.GD21677@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <4ef5fec60702070039r6bbe184ak62202c0d57bf836e@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/7/07, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
>...
> So the implicit suggestion is to put those as denial list into
> the firewall, and live happily ever after?

presumably the utility of these endpoints will taper off quickly
toward almost nothing, so historical more than current utility... :)




From mecsulmonavan at sulmona.biz  Tue Feb  6 23:56:08 2007
From: mecsulmonavan at sulmona.biz (Rodney Carlton)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 06:56:08 -0060
Subject: Health for sale
Message-ID: <500138897.21574213098014@thebat.net>

Don't want to expose your private life?Looking for perfect sex with your girlfriend?Simple way to enhance your sexual life.USA based pharmacy at your service!Feel the colors of life!!!VISA approved!the financial interests of the teams as Raciti, has shocked and moved Italy," Prodi said.officials could decide to prolong a "Deaths in the soccer system unfortunately Police said a 47-year-old found the bodies  movement that the police have not been yet who was lurking deep, squibbed the kickoff itial possession of the second half, twice to the Colts. The local product and only even if he didn't need to be dynamic. firsts brought Dungy, Manning over the Chicago Bears on Sunday  who was lurking deep, squibbed the kickoff It was confirmation of Manning's brilliance, the first time an opening kickoff was run Sunday, urged clubs to break off all  on a sport that, beyond being a  they had no witnesses other than the The Lin Yue restaurant is located oPolice appealed for anyone whostadiums and redirecting a percentage of  the first time an opening kickoff was run "It's hard to put into words," said Manning,Vinatieri, who made two Super Bowl-winning embrace and a handshake with Smith.And with a running game that perfectlyGrossman found Muhammad in the front of "Being the first African-American coach toone was the most important as Manning got everything the end zone for a 14-6 lead.The Italian Olympic Committee blow from a blunt object. he told La Repubblica newspaper. "Soccer must never shut down."Speaking about the death of 38-year-old Reuters television.metal poles and large firecrackersinjuring his knee, didn't damage Chicago. the moment," Dungy said even if he didn't need to be dynamic.to the playoffs, Manning has been a star the end zone for a 14-6 lead. message to Raciti's widow and two children.The Italian Olympic Committeeat a Serie A match happened in 1995 when  face was initially considered the causeSix people were found shot to deathItaly's football industry urged terrible thing it was right that soccer was stopped." policeman Filippo Raciti, Matarrese said: "The sacrifice of your husband andLeading 16-14 at halftime, the Colts spentBowl, that is just wrong. This guy  in the fourth quarter, it was over. off and returned 56 yards for a touchdownHe barely touched the ball again as IndyAnd with a running game that perfectlyLeading 16-14 at halftime, the Colts spentBowl title since its powerhouse 1985 Rhodes and 77 on 19 carries by Addai, who stadiums since 1962. The last fatality  Minister Romano Prodi sent a criminals transformed into a  by the archbishop and attended by The corpses of three men and three officials could decide to prolong a when he went to pick up his wife from the to bury a policeman killed by rioting fans. for 190 yards -- 113 on 21 carries by Dungy's ring wasn't the only first. It  complemented Manning, thanks to Dominic  field goal for the Colts, whoAnd now he is a champion. So is his coach.its footing on a rain-soaked track. The Colts were far less sloppy,featured the first two black  half the third quarter with a march to Vinatieri's early Monday at a Chinese restaurant able to control." The meeting was steps reportedly being considered  message to Raciti's widow and two children.anything suspicious, to come forward.n the second floor of a buildingPrince sang some of his signature songs. for 190 yards -- 113 on 21 carries by Jones certainly could. He used a sharp 35, with Tyjuan Hagler recovering for the Colts. Bears rookie Devin Hester sped downfield for 92 yards. Bears rookie Devin Hester sped downfield for 92 yards. can indeed win the big game -- the biggest game.Hester's spectacular return provided  The first half was marred by six turnovers,
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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Feb  7 00:13:40 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:13:40 +0100
Subject: Partial List of IP Blocks Used by US "Terrorist
  Surveillance Program"
In-Reply-To: <4ef5fec60702061915o4bed672cq44499c5214fb9599@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ef5fec60702061915o4bed672cq44499c5214fb9599@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070207081339.GD21677@leitl.org>

On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:15:25PM -0800, coderman wrote:
> via http://cryptome.org/ip-tla.htm

So the implicit suggestion is to put those as denial list into
the firewall, and live happily ever after? What's the false
positives rate in the list? I.e. how large a fraction of the
total address space are we walling off?

> and in cidr format for easy matching:
>
> 83.27.0.0/16
> 170.86.0.0/16
> 62.212.234.128/25
> 81.57.102.0/23
> 201.5.0.0/16
> 213.151.160.0/19
> 70.83.15.0/24
> 166.128.0.0/9
> 60.64.0.0/10
> 60.128.0.0/11
> 142.191.0.0/16
> 83.65.121.32/29
> 12.108.2.0/23
> 65.128.0.0/11
> 24.158.208.0/20
> 86.97.64.0/19
> 201.239.128.0/17
> 68.36.0.0/16
> 70.44.0.0/16
> 64.231.200.0/22
> 189.128.0.0/9
> 216.155.192.0/20
> 121.6.0.0/15
> 71.96.0.0/11
> 190.213.196.0/24
> 80.72.230.0/24
> 58.29.0.0/16
> 121.128.0.0/10
> 88.191.3.0/24
> 88.191.4.0/22
> 88.191.8.0/21
> 88.191.16.0/20
> 88.191.32.0/19
> 88.191.64.0/18
> 88.191.128.0/18
> 88.191.192.0/19
> 88.191.224.0/20
> 88.191.240.0/21
> 88.191.248.0/24
> 58.72.0.0/13
> 70.16.0.0/13
> 200.57.192.0/18
> 201.5.0.0/16
> 124.168.0.0/16
> 211.200.0.0/14
> 211.204.0.0/15
> 78.252.0.0/16
> 59.0.0.0/11
> 72.64.0.0/11
> 211.200.0.0/14
> 211.204.0.0/15
> 145.53.0.0/16
> 71.200.0.0/17
> 60.206.0.0/15
> 194.178.125.48/29
> 98.226.0.0/16
> 201.88.0.0/16
> 205.209.128.0/18
> 51.0.0.0/8
> 70.64.0.0/12
> 70.112.0.0/12
> 202.84.96.0/19
> 70.32.0.0/19
> 207.218.192.0/18
> 69.31.88.0/23
> 198.74.0.0/16
> 221.0.0.0/15
> 221.2.0.0/16
> 221.3.0.0/17
> 72.144.0.0/12
> 220.96.0.0/14
> 82.88.0.0/14
> 216.128.73.0/24
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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Feb  7 00:27:08 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:27:08 +0100
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] Data retention bill officially
  surfaces in the U.S. Congress [priv]]
Message-ID: <20070207082708.GH21677@leitl.org>

We EUtrash already have that kind of thing passed, but there's
mounting opposition to it.

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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:52:12 +1200
Subject: Is this it?
Message-ID: <6f9401c74b6f$2ff09ee0$1c9a4237@bpagetj>




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From: inno-techegacv at liwest.at (Keturah)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:30:20 -0400
Subject: Tell me again
Message-ID: <678401c74baf$301b6450$4d6abd80@inno-techegacv>





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From declan at well.com  Fri Feb  9 00:55:04 2007
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:55:04 -0800
Subject: [Politech] New Jersey,
	California officials like the Real ID Act [priv]
Message-ID: <mailman.1933.1576007735.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

So I spent part of this week at the RSA conference in San Francisco,
where I stopped by a panel that seemed to be created by and intended for
state DMV officials. The topic was the Real ID Act, and everyone seemed
to either like it a lot or be entirely in love with the scheme. All were
former or current government officials, and not one said it was a bad idea.

In fact, California and (especially) New Jersey loved it:
http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6157813.html

One idea they had was for the feds to mandate biometrics (fingerprint,
retinal scan, DNA sample) on these federalized ID cards. Right now DHS
can but isn't required to do so; we're still waiting for the regulations
to be made public.

Another idea came from Paula Arcioni, the chief information security
officer for New Jersey's Office of Information Technology, and a member
of the National Electronic Commerce Coordinating Council:
http://www.ec3.org/About/AboutBoard.htm

Clearly electronic commerce could never happen unless it were properly
"coordinated" by some state governments.

Anyway, Arcioni not only applauded the law but said it would be made
much better if it was turned into a microprocessor-enabled smartcard
that both state governments and corporations could use for online
authentication.

Compare this to what Maine did a few weeks ago:
http://www.politechbot.com/2007/01/25/maine-becomes-first/

Guess these states either haven't gotten the message yet, or perhaps
these midlevel bureaucrats are simply so caught up in their own fiefdoms
that they ignore what the public actually wants.

-Declan
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From declan at well.com  Fri Feb  9 01:09:54 2007
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:09:54 -0800
Subject: [Politech] Sen. McCain proposes surveillance of illegal images
 (including cartoons) [fs]
Message-ID: <mailman.1934.1576007735.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Sens. McCain and Schumer have introduced the Securing Adolescents From
Exploitation-Online Act of 2007, which I've summarized here:
http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6156976.html

A draft is here (the final version isn't on Thomas yet):
http://www.politechbot.com/docs/mccain.schumer.child.porn.safe.act.020607.pdf

Here's an excerpt from the press release:
http://mccain.senate.gov/press_office/view_article.cfm?ID=853

"With all of the horrifying instances of children being exploited by
online predators, its stomach-churning that no law is on the books to
require Internet Service Providers to report instances of child
pornography on their services," Schumer said. "In a nutshell, this
legislation provides a common-sense tool to the growing problem of
Internet child pornography. While we canbt see everything that happens
on the Internet, we can work hard to build the next best thing b a
system to report the illegal activity that is discovered. Many of us
have worked for years to protect children b this bill takes our efforts
to the 21st Century."

An earlier version of the bill from December:
http://www.politechbot.com/docs/mccain.child.sex.offender.120806.pdf

And, in somewhat related news, House committee chairmen announced four
privacy-related bills today:
http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6157826.html

I've placed them here:
http://www.politechbot.com/docs/house.dingell.barton.pretexting.bill.020807.p
df
http://www.politechbot.com/docs/house.markey.barton.ssn.bill.020807.pdf
http://www.politechbot.com/docs/house.rush.stearns.data.breach.bill.020807.pd
f
http://www.politechbot.com/docs/house.towns.bono.spyware.bill.020807.pdf

And here's another anti-pretexting bill from Reps. Inslee and Blackburn:
http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6157383.html

Two more data breach bills, from Sens. Leahy and Specter, and Rep. Lamar
Smith:
http://news.com.com/2100-7348_3-6156904.html

The Smith bill is here:
http://www.politechbot.com/docs/smith.data.protection.notification.draft.0206
07.pdf

-Declan
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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Feb  9 00:09:51 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:09:51 +0100
Subject: Caught in the Network
Message-ID: <20070209080951.GS21677@leitl.org>

http://chronicle.com/temp/email2.php?id=zht45qPrsddjvvgfcjwWPjxhFwqxyfVX

OBSERVER
Caught in the Network

By PAUL CESARINI

At 9:15 one Thursday morning, there came a polite knock on my mostly closed
office door. I was expecting the knock. A student was coming to talk to me
about getting into one of my courses, which he needed to graduate.

So when I heard the knock, I said, "C'mon in, Kyle." Someone said, "Hello?"
and came in, along with two smartly dressed men extending business cards to
me.

I recognized the speaker as a network-security technician in my university's
office of information-technology services. The other men were not familiar,
but a quick glance at their cards told me they were detectives on our campus
police force. They closed my office door behind them, sat down, took out
notepads and pens, and asked if I had a few minutes to speak with them about
Tor.

Tor b an acronym for The Onion Router b is a freely available, open-source
program developed by the U.S. Navy about a decade ago. A browser plug-in, it
thwarts online traffic analysis and related forms of Internet surveillance by
sending your data packets through different routers around the world. As each
packet moves from one router to the next, it is encoded with encrypted routing
information, and the previous layer of such information is peeled away b
hence the "onion" in the name.

Basically, Tor is a way to surf the Internet anonymously. Someone looking up
potentially sensitive information might prefer to use it b like a person who
is worried about potential exposure to a sexually transmitted disease and
shares a computer with roommates. Abuse survivors might not want anyone else
knowing they have visited Web sites for support groups related to rape or
incest. Journalists in repressive regimes with state-controlled media use Tor
to reach foreign online news sites, chat rooms, blogs, and related venues for
information.

Tor can also be useful in e-commerce. For example, Amazon.com knows more about
my shopping habits and tastes than my wife does. I appreciate Amazon's ability
to make recommendations based on my previous purchases. But in 2000, Amazon
admitted experimenting with so-called dynamic pricing, charging different
people different prices for the same MP3 player; the prices were presumably
based on estimates of what each user would be willing to pay, considering
prior purchases. Online merchants could all do that, thanks to traffic
analysis. They know who I am when I log on b unless I delete their cookies
or use Tor.

Of course, anonymous Web surfing can be used to conceal fraud and other forms
of electronic malfeasance. That was why the police had come to see me. They
told me that only two people on our campus were using Tor: me and someone they
suspected of engaging in an online scam. The detectives wanted to know whether
the other user was a former student of mine, and why I was using Tor.

Widespread use of Tor could be a huge headache for network-security
administrators, particularly in higher education. My university alone has more
than 21,000 students. Imagine what would happen if even a tenth of them and a
similar percentage of faculty and staff members started using Tor regularly.
With all the spam scams, phishing scams, identity theft, and related criminal
enterprises going on around the world b many of which involve remotely
hijacking university-owned computers b we could approach technological
anarchy on the campus.

My reason for downloading and installing the Tor plug-in was actually simple:
I'd read about it for some time, was planning to discuss it in two courses I
teach, and figured I should have some experience using it before I described
it to my students. The courses in question both deal with controlling
technology, diffusing it throughout society, and freedom and censorship
online.

When I cover online censorship in countries with no free press, I focus on how
those countries rely on hardware, software, and phalanxes of people to make
sure citizens can reach only government-approved media. Crackdowns on
independent journalists, bloggers, and related dissidents all too often result
in their being beaten, incarcerated, or worse. Technologies like Tor represent
a beacon of freedom to people in those countries, and I would be doing my
students a disservice if I didn't mention it.

The detectives and network-security technician listened patiently to me,
wearing their best poker faces. They then gave me a copy of the university's
responsible-use policy, which employees must agree to abide by when we first
sign up for our e-mail accounts. They pointed out that my actions violated at
least three provisions of that policy.

I wasn't particularly impressed. I had helped edit and revise that policy when
I worked for the information-technology office before I earned my Ph.D., and I
knew that neither Tor nor any similar program had existed when the policy was
first written. I also knew that the provisions in question were vague.

My visitors next produced page after page of logs detailing my apparent use of
Tor. While I couldn't dispute most of the details in the logs, they seemed
inaccurate. For example, the technician said I had been using Tor earlier that
morning. In fact, I had been at Wal-Mart that morning looking for a good deal
on an HDTV; I had reached my office only about five minutes earlier.

More important, the logs did not prove any wrongdoing on my part. All they
demonstrated was that I, like thousands of others around the world, had
installed and infrequently used Tor. In my case, of course, there was no
wrongdoing.

Nonetheless, my visitors made two requests: that I stop using Tor, and that I
avoid covering it in class.

Having been on the administrative end of academic technology, I appreciate the
difficulties facing the information-technology staff. No one pats you on the
back if nothing goes wrong, but if something does b if a virus or worm
sweeps through the campus's network infrastructure, or someone hijacks some
computers to churn out spam b you are off everyone's Christmas-card list.
The last thing my former colleagues needed was some smarmy faculty member
spouting off about academic freedom and threatening to demonstrate Tor to
100-plus students each semester.

Their job is to protect the network that allows me to do my job: to teach
classes that are mostly or entirely online, and to conduct research. If they
weren't here as the first or even only line of defense against the
unscrupulous elements of our technological society, my university would cease
to function. It's as simple as that.

Furthermore, I do not rely heavily on Tor, or even think much about it outside
the context of my courses. I find all that routing makes it slow to use, even
with the superfast connection I have at work.

But it is being used all around the world, by people in countries that
restrict their access to information, by corporate whistle-blowers, and by
digital-rights activists. It's even being used by average people like me, as a
way to keep innocuous and personal online activities private.

So in the head-on collision between my appreciation of the role IT staff
members play on my campus and my understanding of the role I have to play for
my students, my need for academic freedom won. I found myself lecturing my
three visitors into near catatonia about the uses of Tor.

Finally, they shook my hand, thanked me for talking with them, reminded me
that I was probably violating the responsible-use policy, and left. They had
bigger game to catch: the other Tor user on the campus.

A moment later, I heard another knock on my door. One of the detectives had
come back to ask if I would reconsider my position. I told him that while I
would think about giving up Tor, I honestly felt that this was a clear case of
academic freedom, and I could not bow to external pressure. I reminded him
that Tor is a perfectly legal, open-source program that serves a wide variety
of legitimate needs around the world.

He nodded and left. Feeling an odd mixture of righteous indignation,
patriotism, and dread, I closed the door.

Almost immediately, I heard still another knock. In perhaps an overly dramatic
fashion, I raised my voice and bravely said, as I opened the door, "I'm sorry,
but it's about academic freedom!"

There was Kyle, add/drop slip in one hand, pen in the other, grooving to his
iPod, looking at me blankly.

Paul Cesarini is an assistant professor of visual communication and technology
education at Bowling Green State University.


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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Feb  9 01:22:10 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:22:10 +0100
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] New Jersey, California officials
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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Feb  9 01:25:03 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:25:03 +0100
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] Sen. McCain proposes surveillance
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From hpsyscexi at markbest.com  Fri Feb  9 01:07:56 2007
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From rah at shipwright.com  Fri Feb  9 14:28:43 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:28:43 -0500
Subject: [Clips] VeriChip Narrows IPO Price
Message-ID: <p0624083fc1f2a6159820@[68.167.57.91]>

--- begin forwarded text


  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:18:13 -0500
  To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] VeriChip Narrows IPO Price
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com

  <http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/02/09/ap3412872.html?partner=alerts>

  Forbes


  Associated Press

  VeriChip Narrows IPO Price

  Associated Press 02.09.07, 11:17 AM ET



  Underwriters for VeriChip Corp., which makes microchips that implant under
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  pending initial public offering to $6.50 from a range of $6.50 to $8.50.

  VeriChip, which is based in Delray Beach, Fla., creates microchips
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  The underwriters also cut the size of VeriChip's IPO to 3.1 million shares
  from 4.3 million shares, according to an amended filing with the Securities
  and Exchange Commission.

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  <http://www.city-journal.org/printable.php?id=1727>


  City Journal

  How to Interrogate Terrorists

  Don't believe the charges. American troops treat terrorists with
  Geneva-convention politeness-perhaps too much so.

  Heather Mac Donald

  Winter 2005

  It didn't take long for interrogators in the war on terror to realize that
  their part was not going according to script. Pentagon doctrine, honed over
  decades of cold-war planning, held that 95 percent of prisoners would break
  upon straightforward questioning. Interrogators in Afghanistan, and later
  in Cuba and Iraq, found just the opposite: virtually none of the terror
  detainees was giving up information-not in response to direct questioning,
  and not in response to army-approved psychological gambits for prisoners of
  war.

  Debate erupted in detention centers across the globe about how to get
  detainees to talk. Were "stress techniques"-such as isolation or sleep
  deprivation to decrease a detainee's resistance to questioning-acceptable?
  Before the discussion concluded, however, the photos of prisoner abuse in
  Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison appeared. Though they showed the sadism of a
  prison out of control, they showed nothing about interrogation.

  Nevertheless, Bush-administration critics seized on the scandal as proof
  that prisoner "torture" had become routine. A master narrative-call it the
  "torture narrative"-sprang up: the government's 2002 decision to deny
  Geneva-convention status to al-Qaida fighters, it held, "led directly to
  the abuse of detainees in Afghanistan and Iraq," to quote the Washington
  Post. In particular, torturous interrogation methods, developed at
  Guantanamo Bay and Afghanistan in illegal disregard of Geneva protections,
  migrated to Abu Ghraib and were manifest in the abuse photos.

  This story's success depends on the reader's remaining ignorant of the
  actual interrogation techniques promulgated in the war on terror. Not only
  were they light years from real torture and hedged around with bureaucratic
  safeguards, but they had nothing to do with the Abu Ghraib anarchy.
  Moreover, the decision on the Geneva conventions was irrelevant to
  interrogation practices in Iraq.

  No matter. The Pentagon's reaction to the scandal was swift and sweeping.
  It stripped interrogators not just of stress options but of traditional
  techniques long regarded as uncontroversial as well. Red tape now entangles
  the interrogation process, and detainees know that their adversaries' hands
  are tied.

  The need for rethinking interrogation doctrine in the war on terror will
  not go away, however. The Islamist enemy is unlike any the military has
  encountered in the past. If current wisdom on the rules of war prohibits
  making any distinction between a terrorist and a lawful combatant, then
  that orthodoxy needs to change.

  The interrogation debate first broke out on the frigid plains of
  Afghanistan. Marines and other special forces would dump planeloads of
  al-Qaida and Taliban prisoners into a ramshackle detention facility outside
  the Kandahar airport; waiting interrogators were then supposed to extract
  information to be fed immediately back into the battlefield-whether a
  particular mountain pass was booby-trapped, say, or where an arms cache
  lay. That "tactical" debriefing accomplished, the Kandahar interrogation
  crew would determine which prisoners were significant enough to be shipped
  on to the Guantanamo naval base in Cuba for high-level interrogation.

  Army doctrine gives interrogators 16 "approaches" to induce prisoners of
  war to divulge critical information. Sporting names like "Pride and Ego
  Down" and "Fear Up Harsh," these approaches aim to exploit a detainee's
  self-love, allegiance to or resentment of comrades, or sense of futility.
  Applied in the right combination, they will work on nearly everyone, the
  intelligence soldiers had learned in their training.

  But the Kandahar prisoners were not playing by the army rule book. They
  divulged nothing. "Prisoners overcame the [traditional] model almost
  effortlessly," writes Chris Mackey in The Interrogators, his gripping
  account of his interrogation service in Afghanistan. The prisoners
  confounded their captors "not with clever cover stories but with simple
  refusal to cooperate. They offered lame stories, pretended not to remember
  even the most basic of details, and then waited for consequences that never
  really came."

  Some of the al-Qaida fighters had received resistance training, which
  taught that Americans were strictly limited in how they could question
  prisoners. Failure to cooperate, the al-Qaida manuals revealed, carried no
  penalties and certainly no risk of torture-a sign, gloated the manuals, of
  American weakness.

  Even if a prisoner had not previously studied American detention policies
  before arriving at Kandahar, he soon figured them out. "It became very
  clear very early on to the detainees that the Americans were just going to
  have them sit there," recalls interrogator Joe Martin (a pseudonym). "They
  realized: 'The Americans will give us our Holy Book, they'll draw lines on
  the floor showing us where to pray, we'll get three meals a day with fresh
  fruit, do Jazzercise with the guards, . . . we can wait them out.' "

  Even more challenging was that these detainees bore little resemblance to
  traditional prisoners of war. The army's interrogation manual presumed
  adversaries who were essentially the mirror image of their captors,
  motivated by emotions that all soldiers share. A senior intelligence
  official who debriefed prisoners in the 1989 U.S. operation in Panama
  contrasts the battlefield then and now: "There were no martyrs down there,
  believe me," he chuckles. "The Panamanian forces were more understandable
  people for us. Interrogation was pretty straightforward: 'Love of Family'
  [an army-manual approach, promising, say, contact with wife or children in
  exchange for cooperation] or, 'Here's how you get out of here as fast as
  you can.' "

  "Love of family" often had little purchase among the terrorists, however-as
  did love of life. "The jihadists would tell you, 'I've divorced this life,
  I don't care about my family,' " recalls an interrogator at Guantanamo.
  "You couldn't shame them." The fierce hatred that the captives bore their
  captors heightened their resistance. The U.S. ambassador to Pakistan
  reported in January 2002 that prisoners in Kandahar would "shout epithets
  at their captors, including threats against the female relatives of the
  soldiers guarding them, knee marines in the groin, and say that they will
  escape and kill 'more Americans and Jews.' " Such animosity continued in
  Guantanamo.

  Battlefield commanders in Afghanistan and intelligence officials in
  Washington kept pressing for information, however. The frustrated
  interrogators constantly discussed how to get it. The best hope, they
  agreed, was to re-create the "shock of capture"-that vulnerable mental
  state when a prisoner is most frightened, most uncertain, and most likely
  to respond to questioning. Uncertainty is an interrogator's most powerful
  ally; exploited wisely, it can lead the detainee to believe that the
  interrogator is in total control and holds the key to his future. The
  Kandahar detainees, however, learned almost immediately what their future
  held, no matter how egregious their behavior: nothing untoward.

  Many of the interrogators argued for a calibrated use of "stress
  techniques"-long interrogations that would cut into the detainees' sleep
  schedules, for example, or making a prisoner kneel or stand, or aggressive
  questioning that would put a detainee on edge.

  Joe Martin-a crack interrogator who discovered that a top al-Qaida leader,
  whom Pakistan claimed to have in custody, was still at large and directing
  the Afghani resistance-explains the psychological effect of stress: "Let's
  say a detainee comes into the interrogation booth and he's had resistance
  training. He knows that I'm completely handcuffed and that I can't do
  anything to him. If I throw a temper tantrum, lift him onto his knees, and
  walk out, you can feel his uncertainty level rise dramatically. He's been
  told: 'They won't physically touch you,' and now you have. The point is not
  to beat him up but to introduce the reality into his mind that he doesn't
  know where your limit is." Grabbing someone by the top of the collar has
  had a more profound effect on the outcome of questioning than any actual
  torture could have, Martin maintains. "The guy knows: You just broke your
  own rules, and that's scary. He might demand to talk to my supervisor. I'll
  respond: 'There are no supervisors here,' and give him a maniacal smile."

  The question was: Was such treatment consistent with the Geneva conventions?

  President Bush had declared in February 2002 that al-Qaida members fell
  wholly outside the conventions and that Taliban prisoners would not receive
  prisoner-of-war status-without which they, too, would not be covered by the
  Geneva rules. Bush ordered, however, that detainees be treated humanely and
  in accordance with Geneva principles, to the extent consistent with
  military necessity. This second pronouncement sank in: all of the war on
  terror's detention facilities chose to operate under Geneva rules. Contrary
  to the fulminations of rights advocates and the press, writes Chris Mackey,
  "Every signal we interrogators got from above from the colonels at [the
  Combined Forces Land Component Command] in Kuwait to the officers at
  Central Command back in Tampa-had been . . . to observe the Conventions,
  respect prisoners' rights, and never cut corners."

  What emerged was a hybrid and fluid set of detention practices. As
  interrogators tried to overcome the prisoners' resistance, their reference
  point remained Geneva and other humanitarian treaties. But the
  interrogators pushed into the outer limits of what they thought the law
  allowed, undoubtedly recognizing that the prisoners in their control
  violated everything the pacts stood for.

  The Geneva conventions embody the idea that even in as brutal an activity
  as war, civilized nations could obey humanitarian rules: no attacking
  civilians and no retaliation against enemy soldiers once they fall into
  your hands. Destruction would be limited as much as possible to
  professional soldiers on the battlefield. That rule required,
  unconditionally, that soldiers distinguish themselves from civilians by
  wearing uniforms and carrying arms openly.

  Obedience to Geneva rules rests on another bedrock moral principle:
  reciprocity. Nations will treat an enemy's soldiers humanely because they
  want and expect their adversaries to do the same. Terrorists flout every
  civilized norm animating the conventions. Their whole purpose is to kill
  noncombatants, to blend into civilian populations, and to conceal their
  weapons. They pay no heed whatever to the golden rule; anyone who falls
  into their hands will most certainly not enjoy commissary privileges and
  wages, per the Geneva mandates. He-or she-may even lose his head.

  Even so, terror interrogators tried to follow the spirit of the Geneva code
  for conventional, uniformed prisoners of war. That meant, as the code puts
  it, that the detainees could not be tortured or subjected to "any form of
  coercion" in order to secure information. They were to be "humanely"
  treated, protected against "unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any
  kind," and were entitled to "respect for their persons and their honour."

  The Kandahar interrogators reached the following rule of thumb, reports
  Mackey: if a type of behavior toward a prisoner was no worse than the way
  the army treated its own members, it could not be considered torture or a
  violation of the conventions. Thus, questioning a detainee past his bedtime
  was lawful as long as his interrogator stayed up with him. If the
  interrogator was missing exactly the same amount of sleep as the
  detainee-and no tag-teaming of interrogators would be allowed, the soldiers
  decided-then sleep deprivation could not be deemed torture. In fact,
  interrogators were routinely sleep-deprived, catnapping maybe one or two
  hours a night, even as the detainees were getting long beauty sleeps.
  Likewise, if a boot-camp drill sergeant can make a recruit kneel with his
  arms stretched out in front without violating the Convention Against
  Torture, an interrogator can use that tool against a recalcitrant terror
  suspect.

  Did the stress techniques work? Yes. "The harsher methods we used . . . the
  better information we got and the sooner we got it," writes Mackey, who
  emphasizes that the methods never contravened the conventions or crossed
  over into torture.

  Stress broke a young bomb maker, for instance. Six months into the war,
  special forces brought a young Afghan to the Kandahar facility, the likely
  accomplice of a Taliban explosives expert who had been blowing up aid
  workers. Joe Martin got the assignment.

  "Who's your friend the Americans are looking for?" the interrogation began.

  "I don't know."

  "You think this is a joke? What do you think I'll do?"

  "Torture me."

  So now I understand his fear, Martin recollects.

  The interrogation continued: "You'll stand here until you tell me your
friend."

  "No, sir, he's not my friend."

  Martin picked up a book and started reading. Several hours later, the young
  Taliban was losing his balance and was clearly terrified. Moreover, he's
  got two "big hillbilly guards staring at him who want to kill him," the
  interrogator recalls.

  "You think THIS is bad?!" the questioning starts up again.

  "No, sir."

  The prisoner starts to fall; the guards stand him back up. If he falls
  again, and can't get back up, Martin can do nothing further. "I have no
  rack," he says matter-of-factly. The interrogator's power is an illusion;
  if a detainee refuses to obey a stress order, an American interrogator has
  no recourse.

  Martin risks a final display of his imaginary authority. "I get in his
  face, 'What do you think I will do next?' " he barks. In the captive's
  mind, days have passed, and he has no idea what awaits him. He discloses
  where he planted bombs on a road and where to find his associate. "The
  price?" Martin asks. "I made a man stand up. Is this unlawful coercion?"

  Under a strict reading of the Geneva protections for prisoners of war,
  probably: the army forbids interrogators from even touching lawful
  combatants. But there is a huge gray area between the gold standard of POW
  treatment reserved for honorable opponents and torture, which consists of
  the intentional infliction of severe physical and mental pain. None of the
  stress techniques that the military has used in the war on terror comes
  remotely close to torture, despite the hysterical charges of administration
  critics. (The CIA's behavior remains a black box.) To declare non-torturous
  stress off-limits for an enemy who plays by no rules and accords no respect
  to Western prisoners is folly.

  The soldiers used stress techniques to reinforce the traditional
  psychological approaches. Jeff (a pseudonym), an interrogator in
  Afghanistan, had been assigned a cocky English Muslim, who justified the
  9/11 attacks because women had been working in the World Trade Center. The
  British citizen deflected all further questioning. Jeff questioned him for
  a day and a half, without letting him sleep and playing on his religious
  loyalties. "I broke him on his belief in Islam," Jeff recounts. "He
  realized he had messed up, because his Muslim brothers and sisters were
  also in the building." The Brit broke down and cried, then disclosed the
  mission that al-Qaida had put him on before capture. But once the prisoner
  was allowed to sleep for six hours, he again "clammed up."

  Halfway across the globe, an identical debate had broken out, among
  interrogators who were encountering the same obstacles as the Afghanistan
  intelligence team. The U.S. base at Guantanamo was supposed to be getting
  the Afghanistan war's worst of the worst: the al-Qaida Arabs and their high
  Taliban allies.

  Usama bin Ladin's driver and bodyguard were there, along with explosives
  experts, al-Qaida financiers and recruiters, would-be suicide recruits, and
  the architects of numerous attacks on civilian targets. They knew about
  al-Qaida's leadership structure, its communication methods, and its plans
  to attack the U.S. And they weren't talking. "They'd laugh at you; 'You've
  asked me this before,' they'd say contemptuously," reports Major General
  Michael Dunlavey, a former Guantanamo commanding officer. "Their resistance
  was tenacious. They'd already had 90 days in Afghanistan to get their cover
  stories together and to plan with their compatriots."

  Even more than Afghanistan, Guantanamo dissipated any uncertainty the
  detainees might have had about the consequences of noncooperation.
  Consistent with the president's call for humane treatment, prisoners
  received expert medical care, three culturally appropriate meals each day,
  and daily opportunities for prayer, showers, and exercise. They had mail
  privileges and reading materials. Their biggest annoyance was boredom,
  recalls one interrogator. Many prisoners disliked the move from Camp X-Ray,
  the first facility used at the base, to the more commodious Camp Delta,
  because it curtailed their opportunities for homosexual sex, says an
  intelligence analyst. The captives protested every perceived infringement
  of their rights but, as in Afghanistan, ignored any reciprocal obligation.
  They hurled excrement and urine at guards, used their blankets as garrotes,
  and created additional weapons out of anything they could get their hands
  on-including a sink wrenched off a wall. Guards who responded to the
  attacks-with pepper spray or a water hose, say-got punished and, in one
  case, court-martialed.

  Gitmo personnel disagreed sharply over what tools interrogators could
  legally use. The FBI took the most conservative position. When a bureau
  agent questioning Mohamedou Ould Slahi-a Mauritanian al-Qaida operative who
  had recruited two of the 9/11 pilots-was getting nothing of value, an army
  interrogator suggested, "Why don't you mention to him that conspiracy is a
  capital offense?" "That would be a violation of the Convention Against
  Torture," shot back the agent-on the theory that any covert threat inflicts
  "severe mental pain." Never mind that district attorneys and police
  detectives routinely invoke the possibility of harsh criminal penalties to
  get criminals to confess. Federal prosecutors in New York have even been
  known to remind suspects that they are more likely to keep their teeth and
  not end up as sex slaves by pleading to a federal offense, thus avoiding
  New York City's Rikers Island jail. Using such a method against an al-Qaida
  jihadist, by contrast, would be branded a serious humanitarian breach.

  Top military commanders often matched the FBI's restraint, however. "It was
  ridiculous the things we couldn't do," recalls an army interrogator. "One
  guy said he would talk if he could see the ocean. It wasn't approved,
  because it would be a change of scenery"-a privilege that discriminated in
  favor of a cooperating detainee, as opposed to being available to all,
  regardless of their behavior.

  Frustration with prisoner stonewalling reached a head with Mohamed
  al-Kahtani, a Saudi who had been fighting with Usama bin Ladin's bodyguards
  in Afghanistan in December 2001. By July 2002, analysts had figured out
  that Kahtani was the missing 20th hijacker. He had flown into Orlando
  International Airport from Dubai on August 4, 2001, but a sharp-eyed
  customs agent had denied him entry. Waiting for him at the other side of
  the gate was Mohamed Atta.

  Kahtani's resistance strategies were flawless. Around the first anniversary
  of 9/11, urgency to get information on al-Qaida grew. Finally, army
  officials at Guantanamo prepared a legal analysis of their interrogation
  options and requested permission from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to
  use various stress techniques on Kahtani. Their memo, sent up the
  bureaucratic chain on October 11, 2002, triggered a fierce six-month
  struggle in Washington among military lawyers, administration officials,
  and Pentagon chiefs about interrogation in the war on terror.

  To read the techniques requested is to understand how restrained the
  military has been in its approach to terror detainees-and how utterly false
  the torture narrative has been. Here's what the interrogators assumed they
  could not do without clearance from the secretary of defense: yell at
  detainees (though never in their ears), use deception (such as posing as
  Saudi intelligence agents), and put detainees on MREs (meals ready to
  eat-vacuum-sealed food pouches eaten by millions of soldiers, as well as
  vacationing backpackers) instead of hot rations. The interrogators promised
  that this dangerous dietary measure would be used only in extremis, pending
  local approval and special training.

  The most controversial technique approved was "mild, non-injurious physical
  contact such as grabbing, poking in the chest with the finger, and light
  pushing," to be reserved only for a "very small percentage of the most
  uncooperative detainees" believed to possess critical intelligence. A
  detainee could be poked only after review by Gitmo's commanding general of
  intelligence and the commander of the U.S. Southern Command in Miami, and
  only pursuant to "careful coordination" and monitoring.

  None of this remotely approaches torture or cruel or degrading treatment.
  Nevertheless, fanatically cautious Pentagon lawyers revolted, claiming that
  the methods approved for Kahtani violated international law.
  Uncharacteristically irresolute, Rumsfeld rescinded the Guantanamo
  techniques in January 2003.

  Kahtani's interrogation hung fire for three months, while a Washington
  committee, with representatives from the undersecretary of defense, the
  Defense Intelligence Agency, the air force, army, navy, and marine corps,
  and attorneys from every branch of the military, considered how to approach
  the 20th hijacker.

  The outcome of this massive deliberation was more restrictive than the
  Geneva conventions themselves, even though they were to apply only to
  unlawful combatants, not conventional prisoners of war, and only to those
  held at Guantanamo Bay. It is worth scrutinizing the final 24 techniques
  Rumsfeld approved for terrorists at Gitmo in April 2003, since these are
  the techniques that the media presents as the source of "torture" at Abu
  Ghraib. The torture narrative holds that illegal methods used at Guantanamo
  migrated to Iraq and resulted in the abuse of prisoners there.

  So what were these cruel and degrading practices? For one, providing a
  detainee an incentive for cooperation-such as a cigarette or, especially
  favored in Cuba, a McDonald's Filet-O-Fish sandwich or a Twinkie unless
  specifically approved by the secretary of defense. In other words, if an
  interrogator had learned that Usama bin Ladin's accountant loved Cadbury
  chocolate, and intended to enter the interrogation booth armed with a Dairy
  Milk Wafer to extract the name of a Saudi financier, he needed to
  "specifically determine that military necessity requires" the use of the
  Dairy Milk Wafer and send an alert to Secretary Rumsfeld that chocolate was
  to be deployed against an al-Qaida operative.

  Similar restrictions-a specific finding of military necessity and notice to
  Rumsfeld-applied to other tried-and-true army psychological techniques.
  These included "Pride and Ego Down"-attacking a detainee's pride to goad
  him into revealing critical information-as well as "Mutt and Jeff," the
  classic good cop-bad cop routine of countless police shows. Isolating a
  detainee from other prisoners to prevent collaboration and to increase his
  need to talk required not just notice and a finding of military necessity
  but "detailed implementation instructions [and] medical and psychological
  review."

  The only non-conventional "stress" techniques on the final Guantanamo list
  are such innocuous interventions as adjusting the temperature or
  introducing an unpleasant smell into the interrogation room, but only if
  the interrogator is present at all times; reversing a detainee's sleep
  cycles from night to day (call this the "Flying to Hong Kong" approach);
  and convincing a detainee that his interrogator is not from the U.S.

  Note that none of the treatments shown in the Abu Ghraib photos, such as
  nudity or the use of dogs, was included in the techniques certified for the
  unlawful combatants held in Cuba. And those mild techniques that were
  certified could only be used with extensive bureaucratic oversight and
  medical monitoring to ensure "humane," "safe," and "lawful" application.

  After Rumsfeld cleared the 24 methods, interrogators approached Kahtani
  once again. They relied almost exclusively on isolation and lengthy
  interrogations. They also used some "psy-ops" (psychological operations).
  Ten or so interrogators would gather and sing the Rolling Stones' "Time Is
  on My Side" outside Kahtani's cell. Sometimes they would play a recording
  of "Enter Sandman" by the heavy-metal group Metallica, which brought
  Kahtani to tears, because he thought (not implausibly) he was hearing the
  sound of Satan.

  Finally, at 4 am-after an 18-hour, occasionally loud, interrogation, during
  which Kahtani head-butted his interrogators-he started giving up
  information, convinced that he was being sold out by his buddies. The
  entire process had been conducted under the watchful eyes of a medic, a
  psychiatrist, and lawyers, to make sure that no harm was done. Kahtani
  provided detailed information on his meetings with Usama bin Ladin, on Jose
  Padilla and Richard Reid, and on Adnan El Shukrijumah, one of the FBI's
  most wanted terrorists, believed to be wandering between South and North
  America.

  Since then, according to Pentagon officials, none of the non-traditional
  techniques approved for Kahtani has been used on anyone else at Guantanamo
  Bay.

  The final strand in the "torture narrative" is the least grounded in actual
  practice, but it has had the most distorting effect on the public debate.
  In the summer of 2002, the CIA sought legal advice about permissible
  interrogation techniques for the recently apprehended Abu Zubaydah, Usama
  bin Ladin's chief recruiter in the 1990s. The Palestinian Zubaydah had
  already been sentenced to death in absentia in Jordan for an abortive plot
  to bomb hotels there during the millennium celebration; he had arranged to
  obliterate the Los Angeles airport on the same night. The CIA wanted to use
  techniques on Zubaydah that the military uses on marines and other elite
  fighters in Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape (SERE) school, which teaches how
  to withstand torture and other pressures to collaborate. The techniques are
  classified, but none allegedly involves physical contact. (Later, the CIA
  is said to have used "water-boarding"-temporarily submerging a detainee in
  water to induce the sensation of drowning-on Khalid Sheik Mohammad, the
  mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. Water-boarding is the most extreme method
  the CIA has applied, according to a former Justice Department attorney, and
  arguably it crosses the line into torture.)

  In response to the CIA's request, Assistant Attorney General Jay S. Bybee
  produced a hair-raising memo that understandably caused widespread alarm.
  Bybee argued that a U.S. law ratifying the 1984 Convention Against
  Torture-covering all persons, whether lawful combatants or not-forbade only
  physical pain equivalent to that "accompanying serious physical injury,
  such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death," or
  mental pain that resulted in "significant psychological harm of significant
  duration, e.g., lasting for months or even years." More troubling still,
  Bybee concluded that the torture statute and international humanitarian
  treaties did not bind the executive branch in wartime.

  This infamous August "torture memo" represents the high (or low) point of
  the Bush administration's theory of untrammeled presidential war-making
  power. But note: it had nothing to do with the interrogation debates and
  experiments unfolding among Pentagon interrogators in Afghanistan and Cuba.
  These soldiers struggling with al-Qaida resistance were perfectly ignorant
  about executive-branch deliberations on the outer boundaries of pain and
  executive power (which, in any case, were prepared for and seen only by the
  CIA). "We had no idea what went on in Washington," said Chris Mackey in an
  interview. A Guantanamo lawyer involved in the Kahtani interrogation echoes
  Mackey: "We were not aware of the [Justice Department and White House]
  debates." Interrogators in Iraq were equally unaware of the Bybee memo.

  Nevertheless, when the Bybee analysis was released in June 2004, it became
  the capstone on the torture narrative, the most damning link between the
  president's decision that the Geneva conventions didn't apply to terrorists
  and the sadistic behavior of the military guards at Abu Ghraib. Seymour
  Hersh, the left-wing journalist who broke the Abu Ghraib story, claims that
  the Bybee torture memo was the "most suggestive document, in terms of what
  was really going on inside military prisons and detention centers."

  But not only is the Bybee memo irrelevant to what happened in Abu Ghraib;
  so, too, are the previous interrogation debates in Afghanistan and Cuba.
  The abuse at Abu Ghraib resulted from the Pentagon's failure to plan for
  any outcome of the Iraq invasion except the most rosy scenario, its failure
  to respond to the insurgency once it broke out, and its failure to keep
  military discipline from collapsing in the understaffed Abu Ghraib
  facility. Interrogation rules were beside the point.

  As the avalanche of prisoners taken in the street fighting overwhelmed the
  inadequate contingent of guards and officers at Abu Ghraib, order within
  the ranks broke down as thoroughly as order in the operation of the prison
  itself. Soldiers talked back to their superiors, refused to wear uniforms,
  operated prostitution and bootlegging rings, engaged in rampant and public
  sexual misbehavior, covered the facilities with graffiti, and indulged in
  drinking binges while on duty. No one knew who was in command. The guards'
  sadistic and sexualized treatment of prisoners was just an extension of the
  chaos they were already wallowing in with no restraint from above.
  Meanwhile, prisoners regularly rioted; insurgents shelled the compound
  almost daily; the army sent only rotten, bug-infested rations; and the
  Iraqi guards sold favors to the highest bidders among the insurgents.

  The idea that the abuse of the Iraqi detainees resulted from the
  president's decision on the applicability of the Geneva conventions to
  al-Qaida and Taliban detainees is absurd on several grounds. Everyone in
  the military chain of command emphasized repeatedly that the Iraq conflict
  would be governed by the conventions in their entirety. The interrogation
  rules that local officers developed for Iraq explicitly stated that they
  were promulgated under Geneva authority, and that the conventions applied.
  Moreover, almost all the behavior shown in the photographs occurred in the
  dead of night among military police, wholly separate from interrogations.
  Most abuse victims were not even scheduled to be interrogated, because they
  were of no intelligence value. Finally, except for the presence of dogs,
  none of the behavior shown in the photos was included in the interrogation
  rules promulgated in Iraq. Mandated masturbation, dog leashes, assault, and
  stacking naked prisoners in pyramids-none of these depredations was an
  approved (or even contemplated) interrogation practice, and no interrogator
  ordered the military guards to engage in them.

  It is the case that intelligence officers in Iraq and Afghanistan were
  making use of nudity and phobias about dogs at the time. Nudity was not
  officially sanctioned, and the official rule about dogs only allowed their
  "presence" in the interrogation booth, not their being sicced on naked
  detainees. The argument that such techniques contributed to a
  dehumanization of the detainees, which in turn led to their abuse, is not
  wholly implausible. Whether or not those two particular stressors are worth
  defending (and many interrogators say they are not), their abuse should not
  discredit the validity of other stress techniques that the military was
  cautiously experimenting with in the months before Abu Ghraib.

  That experiment is over. Reeling under the PR disaster of Abu Ghraib, the
  Pentagon shut down every stress technique but one-isolation-and that can be
  used only after extensive review. An interrogator who so much as requests
  permission to question a detainee into the night could be putting his
  career in jeopardy. Even the traditional army psychological approaches have
  fallen under a deep cloud of suspicion: deflating a detainee's ego,
  aggressive but non-physical histrionics, and good cop-bad cop have been
  banished along with sleep deprivation.

  Timidity among officers prevents the energetic application of those
  techniques that remain. Interrogation plans have to be triple-checked all
  the way up through the Pentagon by officers who have never conducted an
  interrogation in their lives.

  In losing these techniques, interrogators have lost the ability to create
  the uncertainty vital to getting terrorist information. Since the Abu
  Ghraib scandal broke, the military has made public nearly every record of
  its internal interrogation debates, providing al-Qaida analysts with an
  encyclopedia of U.S. methods and constraints. Those constraints make
  perfectly clear that the interrogator is not in control. "In reassuring the
  world about our limits, we have destroyed our biggest asset: detainee
  doubt," a senior Pentagon intelligence official laments.

  Soldiers on the ground are noticing the consequences. "The Iraqis already
  know the game. They know how to play us," a marine chief warrant officer
  told the Wall Street Journal in August. "Unless you catch the Iraqis in the
  act, it is very hard to pin anything on anyone . . . . We can't even use
  basic police interrogation tactics."

  And now the rights advocates, energized by the Abu Ghraib debacle, are
  making one final push to halt interrogation altogether. In the New York
  Times's words, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is now
  condemning the thoroughly emasculated interrogation process at Guantanamo
  Bay as a "system devised to break the will of the prisoners [and] make them
  wholly dependent on their interrogators." In other words, the ICRC opposes
  traditional interrogation itself, since all interrogation is designed to
  "break the will of prisoners" and make them feel "dependent on their
  interrogators." But according to an ICRC report leaked to the Times, "the
  construction of such a system, whose stated purpose is the production of
  intelligence, cannot be considered other than an intentional system of
  cruel, unusual and degrading treatment and a form of torture."

  But contrary to the fantasies of the international-law and human rights
  lobbies, a world in which all interrogation is illegal and rights are
  indiscriminately doled out is not a safer or more just world. Were the
  United States to announce that terrorists would be protected under the
  Geneva conventions, it would destroy any incentive our ruthless enemies
  have to comply with the laws of war. The Washington Post and the New York
  Times understood that truth in 1987, when they supported President Ronald
  Reagan's rejection of an amendment to the Geneva conventions that would
  have granted lawful-combatant status to terrorists. Today, however, those
  same opinion makers have done an about-face, though the most striking
  feature of their denunciations of the Bush administration's Geneva
  decisions is their failure to offer any explanation for how al-Qaida could
  possibly be covered under the plain meaning of the text.

  The Pentagon is revising the rules for interrogation. If we hope to succeed
  in the war on terror, the final product must allow interrogators to use
  stress techniques against unlawful combatants. Chris Mackey testifies to
  how "ineffective schoolhouse methods were in getting prisoners to talk." He
  warns that his team "failed to break prisoners who I have no doubt knew of
  terrorist plots or at least terrorist cells that may one day do us harm.
  Perhaps they would have talked if faced with harsher methods."

  The stress techniques that the military has used to date are not torture;
  the advocates can only be posturing in calling them such. On its website,
  Human Rights Watch lists the effects of real torture: "from pain and
  swelling to broken bones, irreparable neurological damage, and chronic
  painful musculoskeletal problems . . . [to] long-term depression,
  post-traumatic stress disorder, marked sleep disturbances and alterations
  in self-perceptions, not to mention feelings of powerlessness, of fear,
  guilt and shame." Though none of the techniques that Pentagon interrogators
  have employed against al-Qaida comes anywhere close to risking such
  effects, Human Rights Watch nevertheless follows up its list with an
  accusation of torture against the Bush administration.

  The pressure on the Pentagon to outlaw stress techniques won't abate, as
  the American Civil Liberties Union continues to release formerly classified
  government documents obtained in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit
  concerning detention and interrogation. As of late December, the memos have
  merely confirmed that the FBI opposes stress methods, though the press
  breathlessly portrays them as confirming "torture."

  Human Rights Watch, the ICRC, Amnesty International, and the other
  self-professed guardians of humanitarianism need to come back to earth-to
  the real world in which torture means what the Nazis and the Japanese did
  in their concentration and POW camps in World War II; the world in which
  evil regimes, like those we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq, don't follow
  the Miranda rules or the Convention Against Torture but instead gas
  children, bury people alive, set wild animals on soccer players who lose,
  and hang adulterous women by truckloads before stadiums full of spectators;
  the world in which barbarous death cults behead female aid workers, bomb
  crowded railway stations, and fly planes filled with hundreds of innocent
  passengers into buildings filled with thousands of innocent and
  unsuspecting civilians. By definition, our terrorist enemies and their
  state supporters have declared themselves enemies of the civilized order
  and its humanitarian rules. In fighting them, we must of course hold
  ourselves to our own high moral standards without, however, succumbing to
  the utopian illusion that we can prevail while immaculately observing every
  precept of the Sermon on the Mount. It is the necessity of this fallen
  world that we must oppose evil with force; and we must use all the lawful
  means necessary to ensure that good, rather than evil, triumphs.


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From rah at shipwright.com  Mon Feb 12 12:49:47 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:49:47 -0500
Subject: [Clips] Internet's Ubiquity Multiplies Venues To Try Web Crimes
Message-ID: <p06240816c1f683397151@[68.167.57.91]>

"Regulatory Arbitrage" == "Forum Shopping".

Cheers,
RAH
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  <http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB117124525768805398.html>

  The Wall Street Journal

  Internet's Ubiquity
  Multiplies Venues
  To Try Web Crimes

  By LAURIE P. COHEN

  February 12, 2007; Page B1

  Nathan Littlefield, a 32-year-old father of two in Methuen, Mass., had
  never set foot in Buffalo, N.Y., but that didn't stop prosecutors there
  from charging him with downloading child pornography.

  David Carruthers, a British citizen, ran a company based in Costa Rica, yet
  he was charged in an Internet-gambling case -- in St. Louis. And Rob Zicari
  and his wife, Janet Romano, owners of a California-based pornography
  company, were indicted for distribution of obscenity across state lines --
  in Pittsburgh.

  Unlike many crimes with relatively limited geographic scope, Internet
  abuses cross every border, giving the government enormous leeway these days
  to pick jurisdictions where it brings cases. The Sixth Amendment of the
  U.S. Constitution holds that federal criminal cases should be tried in the
  state and district in which an offense was committed. And venues count:
  Pittsburgh and St. Louis, for example, are viewed by lawyers as much more
  legally conservative than, say, Boston and San Francisco.

  To some critics, the process smacks of "forum shopping," a once-common
  practice by plaintiffs' attorneys seeking the most hospitable venues to
  bring civil suits.

  "The big concern is that the government can pick a jurisdiction where the
  jury will be most sympathetic," says Orin Kerr, a computer-crime expert at
  George Washington University's law school. Because the Internet is
  everywhere, he says, "federal law allows the government to pick whatever
  jurisdiction it wants in an Internet crime case."

  The government denies it is seeking a home-court advantage. Prosecutors may
  pick venues based on the locale of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
  office that initiates a case, says bureau spokesman Paul Bresson. "In
  situations where a Buffalo agent is talking to a subject in Florida," he
  says, the case would likely be brought in Buffalo.

  In Internet child-pornography cases, he says the FBI often originates cases
  against far-flung defendants. "It is very easy to establish venue if a
  subject from New Mexico sends an image to" Maryland. "We would have venue"
  in Maryland, Mr. Bresson says.

  What is indisputable is that Internet-crime complaints are rising. In 2005,
  the most recent year for which numbers are available, there were 231,493
  complaints about alleged Internet crimes, an 11.6% increase from 2004,
  according to the FBI, and a nearly fivefold increase over 2001. While not
  all of those complaints turn into criminal cases, "there's been a pretty
  exponential increase from year to year" in cybercrime cases, says Mr.
  Bresson, the FBI spokesman.

  Whatever the statistics, Ellen Podgor, a law professor at Stetson
  University in Florida, is against trying cases far from a defendant's home.
  "The government can get jurisdiction everywhere," she says. "All they have
  to show is that there was a person -- often an FBI agent -- who uploaded
  documents" far away from the defendant.

  Ms. Podgor maintains that jurisdiction ought to be based on the locale of
  alleged perpetrators, to make it more convenient for them to go to trial.

  But "inconvenience isn't a defense," says Miami lawyer Frank Rubino, who
  says he has represented about eight defendants in the past 18 months in
  Internet cases brought far from their homes. "People are being brought to
  areas where they've never been in their lives," he says.

  Last July's indictment of Mr. Carruthers of Costa Rica and other defendants
  in Internet-gambling company BetOnSports PLC was brought in St. Louis. New
  York attorney Robert Katzberg, representing one of the defendants, recently
  told a St. Louis federal court in a filing that the locale of the federal
  prosecution has "no real significance other than the fact that the
  undercover [FBI] agents decided to conduct their sting" there.

  Mr. Katzberg has asked that the case be moved to Miami, where most of the
  defendants reside. The court hasn't yet ruled on the request.

  A spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office in St. Louis says the
  BetOnSports indictment "was the result of illegal activity that occurred in
  our district."

  In the past, courts have often denied defendants' motions to transfer cases
  because of inconvenience. In what is believed to be the first case to make
  such a challenge, a federal appeals court ruled in 1996 that a California
  couple who ran an electronic bulletin board there could be charged in
  Tennessee because "venue lies in any district in which the offense was
  committed."

  In an Internet child-pornography case in New York, a federal appeals court
  similarly ruled in 2005 that the defendant, Larry Rowe, who lived in
  Pikeville, Ky., was properly tried in Manhattan.

  But last April, a federal judge in Alexandria, Va., said defendants in a
  criminal securities-fraud case involving American International Group Inc.
  could have their case tried in Connecticut, where most of them lived, to
  avoid inconvenience to them.

  The government had argued that the case should remain in Alexandria because
  that is home to the Securities and Exchange Commission's "Edgar" computer
  server, which the defendants allegedly used to commit their crime.

  In the case of Mr. Zicari and Ms. Romano, the Californians tried in
  Pittsburgh, Mary Beth Buchanan, U.S. attorney in that city, says the case
  was brought there because it was where the product -- pornography -- was
  sold.

  "The case could have been brought in any district in which the product was
  sold," said Ms. Buchanan. She acknowledged that her district "may be
  considered by some to be more conservative" than some others, but that the
  case was her idea.

  Of the several men indicted in Buffalo last September on charges of
  downloading child pornography, one resides in California, another in North
  Carolina, and another in Ohio.

  Mr. Littlefield, for his part, was indicted last July in Massachusetts of
  charges of "Destruction or removal of property to prevent seizure."

  Federal authorities allege that he fled his home with his computer, which
  he smashed, after an FBI agent left him alone to find a lightbulb.

  The Buffalo child-pornography case came later, and the government is
  seeking to dismiss the property-destruction case in his home state and to
  try him instead in Buffalo

  William Fick, the Boston public defender representing Mr. Littlefield
  there, recently told the court that "the only connection" between Mr.
  Littlefield's conduct and Buffalo is "that the agent happened to be sitting
  in Buffalo." The agent could "just as easily have been sitting in Alaska or
  Guam."

  The government has opposed his motion to keep the case in Massachusetts.


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From plevy at citizen.org  Tue Feb 13 09:37:27 2007
From: plevy at citizen.org (Paul Levy)
Date: February 13, 2007 9:37:27 PM EST
Subject: New case on the right of anonymous free speech
Message-ID: <mailman.1935.1576007736.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

I want to call your attention to a case just filed by my colleague
Jennifer Soble on behalf of an anonymous Internet speaker whose
identity was revealed by his ISP, nj.com, without giving the speaker
any notice or opportunity to oppose disclosure.  Even though New
Jersey is the state the pioneered the protection of anonymous
Internet speakers by the adoption of the "Dendrite" standard
requiring notice and proof of wrongdoing before a subpoena can be
enforced (established in 2001 by Dendrite International v Doe), and
even though nj.com is run by a consortium of New Jersey newspapers
that ought to appreciate the need to protect anonymous sources,
nj.com released its customer's identity without making any effort to
determine whether there might be a basis for opposing the subpoena
and without any notice to the anonymous speaker so that he could move
to quash the subpoena in the manner for which Dendrite provides.  The
result was that the speaker (who criticized local firefighters on a
community blog run by nj.com) was identified publicly on the blog,
ridiculed, and run out of town.  The lawsuit claims that nj.com's
release of identifying information without any notice was a violation
of the ISP's privacy policy as well as being a tort under New Jersey
law.

Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
http://www.citizen.org/litigation
>>>Robert Yule 02/13/07 2:55 PM >>>
PUBLIC CITIZEN PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release:           Contact: Jennifer Soble (248)
568-7660 Feb. 13, 2007
Robert Yule (202) 588-7703

Public Citizen Represents Former New Jersey Town Council Member in
Suit Against Internet News Site

NJ.com Breached Contract by Revealing Identity of Anonymous Poster,
Suit Says

WASHINGTON, D.C. - An online news site unlawfully revealed the
identity of a former New Jersey town official who had posted
anonymous comments on its message board, according to a lawsuit filed
today by Public Citizen on behalf of the official. When his identity
was made known, he was publicly humiliated and forced to resign.

Michael Gallucci, a former town councilman for Teaneck, N.J., posted
messages anonymously on a Teaneck area message board on NJ.com, a
news site and Internet service provider (ISP) owned by New Jersey On-
Line, LLC.  The ISP provides a forum dedicated to many towns within
the state where visitors to the Web site can anonymously post
comments related to the locality.

>From Dec. 16, 2005, to Dec. 21, 2005, Galluci posted on the site
criticisms of William J. Brennan, a firefighter who had been employed
with the Teaneck Fire Department. Brennan was a regular poster on
NJ.com's Teaneck message board, where he lodged frequent complaints
against the Teaneck Council under the name "WJBrennan." Prior to Dec.
16, Brennan had also been a party to approximately 10 lawsuits
involving the township of Teaneck, as well as the Teaneck Council
members.

The ISP unlawfully released Galluci's identity publicly on the
message board after it received a subpoena from Brennan's lawyer. New
Jersey law requires that anonymous Internet users first be given
notice before subpoenas seeking their identity can be enforced, so
that the speaker can challenge the validity of the subpoena and
protect his identity.

The release of his name on the message board led to overwhelming
criticism of Galluci, his forced resignation from the Township
Council, and public humiliation as the story was picked up by local
and major media outlets. Galluci, who grew up in Teaneck and whose
social network, including his family and friends, was located in the
township, felt forced leave Teaneck. He quickly sold his home and
relocated to another city.

"When a newspaper is asked or even subpoenaed to identify a source of
one of its news stories, any paper worth its salt would fight the
subpoena before revealing that information," said Jennifer Soble, a
lawyer for Public Citizen who is litigating the case. "When a
newspaper invites citizens to comment on its Web site, it owes those
citizens the same protections against unreasonable intrusions into
their privacy."

To view the lawsuit, filed in the Superior Court of New Jersey, visit
http://www.citizen.org/documents/galluccicomplaint.pdf.

Public Citizen has a record of defending the First Amendment rights
of Internet users. To learn more, visit http://www.citizen.org/
litigation/briefs/IntFreeSpch/.

###

Public Citizen is a national, nonprofit consumer advocacy
organization based in Washington, D.C. For more information, please
see http://www.citizen.org.




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From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:48:57 -0500
Subject: [IP] New case on the right of anonymous free speech
Message-ID: <mailman.1936.1576007736.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Feb 14 05:55:25 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:55:25 +0100
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] New case on the right of anonymous free
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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Feb 14 11:28:34 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:28:34 +0100
Subject: [edrigram@edri.org: EDRI-gram newsletter - Number 5.3, 14
  February 2007]
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From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Feb 14 17:43:42 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:43:42 -0500
Subject: [Clips] Man Busted For Cursing Agent's Mother
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This is what I meant, a long, long, time ago, about various people around
here, standing on street corners, throwing rocks at cop cars...

Cheers,
RAH
"You piss on their shoes. They break your feet, one bone at a time. Exactly
what part of 'monopoly on force' do you not understand?"

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  <http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0212071mouth1.html>


  The Smoking Gun

  Man Busted For Cursing Agent's Mother

  Feds: Threatening messages left on informant's answering machine


  FEBRUARY 12--A New York man, enraged that his girlfriend had been ensnared
  in a drug probe, is himself facing a felony rap for a vulgar telephone
  tirade directed at the parents of a federal agent. According to
  investigators, Joshua Haggerty, 24, began ranting soon after a Bureau of
  Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent contacted his girlfriend to
  discuss her surrender in connection with drug distribution. Amy McDonald,
  Haggerty's squeeze, was charged late last month in Maryland with cocaine
  distribution. According to an ATF affidavit (a copy of which you'll find
  below), Haggerty left an obscene voice mail message for an acquaintance
  named Pat, who is identified in the court document as an ATF "confidential
  informant." Referring to ATF Agent Ben Wright, Haggerty told Pat, "Call
  your little boy fucking Ben, tell him I will fuck his fucking mom and slap
  his fucking daddy." Haggerty continued, "Tell him I will fuck his fucking
  mom right in the fucking ass, raw dog. Tell him to go fucking suck my
  fucking cock." The snitch dutifully forwarded the message to his federal
  handlers. And while the recorded rant could have been dismissed as the
  frustrated ravings of a guy whose girlfriend is facing judicial peril,
  prosecutors opted to charge Haggerty with a felony count for threatening to
  "assault a member of the immediate family" of a federal law enforcement
  officer. Haggerty, who has been in custody since February 8, is scheduled
  for a bail hearing this morning at U.S. District Court in Brooklyn. (3
  pages)

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  44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
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44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From edrigram at edri.org  Wed Feb 14 11:05:39 2007
From: edrigram at edri.org (EDRI-gram newsletter)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:05:39 +0200
Subject: EDRI-gram newsletter - Number 5.3, 14 February 2007
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           EDRI-gram

biweekly newsletter about digital civil rights in Europe

    Number 5.3, 14 February 2007


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Contents
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1. Online police searches found illegal in Germany
2. MEPs support again the rules on defamation in Rome II
3. The ORG and FIPR week of e-voting events
4. Towards a committee for French on-line services regulation ?
5. European Central Bank found accountable in the SWIFT case
6. Belgium court backs decision against Google
7. European institutions try to impose a stronger position in the PNR debate
8. Bulgaria fails to protect citizen's personal data
9. House of Lords produces report against the AVMS directive
10. French Court decides on the sequel of Les Miserables
11. Recommended reading
12. Agenda
13. About

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1. Online police searches found illegal in Germany
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The German Federal Supreme Court (BGH) in Karlsruhe ruled, on 5 February,
that, according to the German Code of Criminal Procedure (StPO), online
police snooping was illegal.

As the court argued, StPO had no provisions to allow the authorities to
perform online snooping, the code allowing only overt searches.

Magistrate Ulrich Hebenstreit had already ruled against house searches
arguing that such searches had to take place in the presence of the person
affected. He emphasized that the data stored on computers could often be
confidential and compared online spying measures to electronic
eavesdropping.

The Protection of the Constitution Act on the German federal state of North
Rhine-Westphalia has recently included a provision that allows online PC
searches against which a complaint of unconstitutionality is presently being
prepared.

Consequently, Federal Minister of the Interior Wolfgang Schduble, is now
asking the legislators to create a legal basis for the criminal prosecutors
to perform online searches ,that he considers indispensable.

Jvrg Crozier, President of the German Criminal Police Office, asked also for
new legislation to support these actions and stated "We have to be able to
keep up with new technologies when unscrupulous criminals hide on the
Internet, where they can plan their attacks and prepare their criminal
actions."

At the same time, he wanted to assure the German citizens that they
shouldn't worry about the Government monitoring them in a way that would
violate their rights. "These measures will not even affect 99.9 percent of
the population."

Ziercke stated that the Internet was playing a major part in the war against
terrorism, child pornography, neo-Nazi propaganda and other types of crimes
but can also play an important role in committing those crimes.
"The Internet is the criminal platform of the future. In fact, it is the
criminal platform of today."

On the other hand, Burkhard Hirsch, the former vice president of the lower
chamber of Germany's Federal Parliament and a member of the opposition Free
Democratic Party (FDP), considers online search by the police of a PC
as "worse than a major eavesdropping operation." He declared to the German
newsmagazine DerSpiegel that spying a computer through the Internet is
a "more brutal form of intrusion" than previous criminal investigation
methods.

Surreptitious online searches of PCs are illegal (6.02.2007)
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/84867

German criminology czar believes that online searches
are urgently needed (7.02.2007)
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/84908

Germany outlaws secret police snooping (6.02.2007)
http://www.out-law.com/page-7737

EDRI-gram: Proposal of computers online searching in Germany (20.12.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.24/computer-online-searching

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2. MEPs support again the rules on defamation in Rome II
============================================================

The European Parliament has voted in its second reading on the Rome II
Regulation to reintroduce the rules regarding the defamation by media or
publications via the Internet and other electronic networks. The Rome II
regulation is establishing the rules on the applicable law to
non-contractual obligations.
.
The member states and media organizations wanted a simple formula to be
introduced and not to apply the general principle - the applicable law to be
that of the country in which the defamed person lives. That would
practically mean that every media company would have to know the privacy and
defamation laws of every European country.

At the first reading in July 2005, MEPs had approved a compromise amendment
that regulated the violation of privacy by a printed or audiovisual media.
The Council decided to delete this provision from its Common Position. In
the vote in plenary, MEPs decided to reintroduce the same rules, as adopted
at the first reading.

The Parliament's amendment suggests that in the case of print or broadcast
media the law which should apply in disputes is the law of the country to
which the publication or broadcast is most directed. That must be determined
in particular by the language of the publication or broadcast or by sales or
audience size in a given country as a proportion of total sales or audience
size or by a combination of those factors. If that is not an easy fact to
determine, the relevant law will be the one of the country where editorial
control is exercised. This provision will apply also to publications via the
Internet and other electronic networks. Regarding the right to reply, the
applicable law should be the law of the country in which the publisher or
broadcaster has its habitual residence.

Strong disagreemnts between the Council and the Parliament still exist
especially on the defamantion rules. According to Commission Vice-President
Franco Frattini, who spoke before the vote, on the approved rules on
defamation, "there is no way they will get through" in the Council.

MEP Diana Wallis stated her satisfaction on the result of the vote, but also
warned: "We may not have reached the end of the story of Rome II; by again
passing these amendments there will almost certainly have to be a
conciliation process to iron out the final difficulties between the European
law-making institutions."

The text adopted by the Parliament should go now through the conciliation
procedure, where Member States and MEPs, equally represented, will have to
debate further to find a compromise and approve the Regulation.

Rome II: MEPs reintroduce rules on defamation (18.01.2006)
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/expert/infopress_page/008-1942-015-01-03-9
01-20070112IPR01917-15-01-2007-2007-false/default_en.htm

European Parliament stands firm on cross-border defamation law(2.02.2007)
http://www.out-law.com/page-7726

EDRI-gram: Rome II: Applicable law and freedom of expression (29.06.2005)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number3.13/RomeII

EP Legislative Observatory Rome II file
http://www2.europarl.eu.int/oeil/file.jsp?id=235142

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3. The ORG and FIPR week of e-voting events
============================================================

Last week there were three e-voting events hosted in London by EDRI members,
the Open Rights Group (ORG) and the Foundation for Information Policy
Research (FIPR).

On 6 February guests saw a screening of the documentary film
"Hacking Democracy" which reveals in detail the failings of e-voting and
e-counting systems in the United States.

After the film a lively panel, chaired by ORG's e-voting co-ordinator Jason
Kitcat, discussed the film's implications particularly given e-voting pilots
planned in the UK for May 2007. On the panel were John Pugh MP (Liberal
Democrat); Russell Michaels, one of the film's co-directors and Dr Rebecca
Mercuri, an e-voting expert from the United States.

On 8 February there were two events which gathered, for the first time, a
wide array of e-voting experts and activists from around the world. In the
afternoon the European e-Voting Activism Workshop was started with a keynote
by Harri Hursti, a Finnish security expert who has demonstrated a number of
major security flaws in US election systems. Mr Hursti discussed how he
compromised an optical counting system to provide the finale for "Hacking
Democracy". He also shared his views on the wide variety of ways in which
e-voting and e-counting systems are vulnerable to fraud and error.

Subsequently experts from Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, The Netherlands
and the United States presented the problems they were experiencing with the
introduction of e-voting in their countries. Attendees were struck by the
strong  similarities between all the presentations:

- Governments would, with extremely weak standards in place, contract the
running and monitoring of elections to private companies;
- These companies would do minimal testing and withhold the results of those
tests;
- Problems and possible indications of fraud would arise during and after
elections. Further investigation would be impossible due to failings in the
technology and/or due to obstruction by vendors and government.

After the workshop's broad overview of e-voting, the evening event
"e-Voting: A challenge to democracy?" provided time for more detailed
presentations.

Margaret McGaley, the founder of Irish Citizens for Trustworthy e-Voting,
reported on the thus-far abortive attempts to introduce e-voting machines to
the Republic of Ireland. She noted that early in the process experts had
offered advice but weren't listened to. After pushing on at great expense
the Irish government were forced to create an Independent Commission on
Electronic Voting which found serious flaws in the Nedap voting machines and
software purchased.

Dr Anne-Marie Oostveen, a founder of the Dutch "We don't trust voting
computers" foundation, reported how in the Netherlands the government
position went from 'trust us' to uncertainty. "We don't trust voting
computers" demonstrated on national TV several important hacks on the Nedap
machines used in the majority of Dutch municipalities. The result was the
withdrawal of SDU machines from elections and the creation of an independent
commission to examine the voting process.

Colm MacCarthaigh, a founding member of Irish Citizens for Trustworthy
e-voting, now following the Dutch situation since it has become resident in
The Netherlands, tied together the Dutch and Irish stories. He commented on
how the Irish independent commission's report had provided information on
the Nedap machines which had helped the Dutch activists find flaws more
quickly. The successful Dutch hacks, in their turn, helped apply more
pressure on the Irish government.

Dr Rebecca Mercuri presented the latest developments concerning voting
technology in the United States. She noted how vendors, when forced to
create voter-verified paper audit trails, had created unreliable, barely
usable systems which had created new problems of their own. In place of
e-voting machines Ms Mercuri advocated the use of paper ballots, perhaps
optically or barcode scanned. To conclude Ms Mercuri argued that Internet
voting, as proposed for the UK's 2007 pilots, was an inherently flawed
technology that should not be pursued.

One question which kept being asked after every one of our events was, why
are governments pushing so hard for e-voting technology when the problems
are so evident? We just don't understand it.

The events ended with the activists resolved to meet more often and
collaborate through a newly formed umbrella grouping, 'Europeans for
Verifiable Elections'. The Open Rights Group will continue its campaign
against e-voting in the UK and our sister organisations will carry on their
work across Europe.

Audio, video and slides from the events will be available soon
http://www.openrightsgroup.org

Europeans for Verifiable Elections
http://www.efve.eu

(Contribution by Jason Kitcat - EDRI-member Open Rights Group)

============================================================
4. Towards a committee for French on-line services regulation ?
============================================================

French Internet regulation history seems to repeat itself, as shows a
recently unveiled administrative decree project, which aims at
creating a "National Commission for the deontology of on-line public
communication services".

The Commission would be in charge of elaborating "deontological
recommendations" towards professional on- line communication services,
including fixed and mobile telecom operators, ISPs, publishing and
distributing services. The Commission would also be in charge of attributing
"quality labels" to these services.

However, these recommendations would also indirectly apply
to the users of these services, through subscribing contractual
clauses, especially since a "quality label" may be withdrawn by the
Commission when it is found that "deontological recommendations" are not
respected. The Commission should include of 23 members nominated by the
French Prime minister for 5 years. Besides representatives of different
ministries, one magistrate and one member of the French Conseil d'Etat, the
Commission should include 14 members representing both - and in parity -
online communication services users and professionals.

French digital rights organizations have soon denounced this new
attempt of censorship. EDRI member IRIS notes that this proposal
sounds very similar to the first attempt of Internet regulation in
France in... 1996, through what was popularly called the "Fillon
Amendment" to the Telecom law. This amendment was found
unconstitutional in July 1996, and then its major provisions were
censored since, according to article 34 of the Constitution,
fundamental freedoms may only be limited by the legislator, while in
this case there were no specified binding principles for recommendations
to be made by an administrative Commission, with strong impact on
freedom of expression.

IRIS reminds that these arguments from the Constitutional council examining
the 1996 law still apply and may well be reused against a 2007
administrative decree before the competent jurisdiction.

Draft of administrative decree (in French only, 07.02.2007)
http://odebi.org/docs/Projetdecretcommissiondeontologie.pdf

Polemics on the regulation of French Internet  (in French only, 09.02.2007)
http://www.01net.com/editorial/341006/legislation/polemique-autour-de-la-regu
lation-de-l-internet-francais/

APRIL Press release - Internet Regulation : always the good old
methods...(in French only, 12.02.2007)
http://www.april.org/articles/communiques/pr-20070212.html

IRIS Press release - + Fillon Amendment ; 2.0 : help, the public expression
+deontology ; returns ! (in French only, 14.02.2007)
http://www.iris.sgdg.org/info-debat/comm-deontologie0207.html

(Contribution by Meryem Marzouki, EDRI-member IRIS - France)

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5. European Central Bank found accountable in the SWIFT case
============================================================

On 1 February, Peter Hustinx, the European Data Protection Supervisor (EDPS)
gave his opinion on the role of the European Central Bank (ECB) in the SWIFT
case, considering the bank as accountable along with SWIFT for failing
compliance with the European privacy laws in the secret US investigation
into terrorist finances.

By using SWIFT's services in its own payment operations, the ECB has become
a joint controller being thus co-responsible in ensuring compliance with
data protection rules, meaning observing the purpose limitation principle,
informing to data subjects, and ensuring guarantees at the transfer of
personal data to third countries.

"Just as other banks, the ECB can not escape some responsibilities in the
SWIFT case which has breached the trust and private lives of many millions
of people. Secret, routine and massive access of third country authorities
to banking data is unacceptable. The financial community should therefore
provide payment systems which do not violate European data protection laws"
affirmed Hustinx in a written statement. He gave the ECB until April to
demonstrate that it complies with data protection laws.

However, the ECB does not admit any responsibility in the matter considering
data protection was not its concern but financial stability was. It also
considers the legislators should have given clearer guidance.

"The monitoring of SWIFT activities that do not affect financial stability
is not a matter for central bank oversight and, therefore, the US Treasury
subpoenas of SWIFT were outside the purview of central bank oversight. The
Oversight Group has no authority to oversee SWIFT with regard to compliance
with data protection laws," was ECB statement.

The bank said it would notify the organisations for whom it conducts
transactions and ask for their consent before sharing their data. It also
appreciated the initative of the EU and US data protection authorities,
intelligence agencies and financial regulators to find a way to properly
monitor international organisations like SWIFT.

The EDPS also addressed the ECB asking them to transfer data to third
parties only when they can guarantee the privacy protection of the owners of
the data transferred. The punitive actions that Hustinx could take against
ECB are limited. As SWIFT has no credible alternative, asking the ECB to
stop using their services would not be a reasonable measure.

EDPS calls on ECB to ensure that European payment systems comply with data
protection law - Press release (1.02.2007)
http://www.edps.europa.eu/EDPSWEB/webdav/site/mySite/shared/Documents/EDPS/Pr
essNews/Press/2007/EDPS-2007-1-EN_SWIFT.pdf

ECB blamed (again) for SWIFT privacy debacle (1.02.2007)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/01/ecb_swift_edps/

Hands off our bank data, Europe tells US (23.11.2006)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/23/ec_swift_ruling/

EDRI-gram: SWIFT found in breach of Belgian laws (11.10.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.19/swift

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6. Belgium court backs decision against Google
============================================================

In the case brought by Copiepresse, a trade group representing 17 Belgium
newspapers, against Google for publishing links to newspaper articles
without permission, the Brussels Tribunal upheld its previous decision and
ruled that Google violated the copyright law.

Google was ordered to remove Belgian newspaper content from its search
engine results. The search engine is no longer allowed to refer to articles,
pictures or drawings of Copiepress members without previous agreements that
are to be negociated, non-compliance being fined by 25 000 Euros per day.

The ruling also says that  any other copyright holder could get in touch
with Google and notify its copyright infringement. In this case Google has
to remove the content within 24 hours or pay a 1 000 euros a day fine.

Google will appeal the judgment as it considers that making reference to a
page is no violation of the law and is actually in favour of the Belgian
newspapers by sending Internet users to their websites.

"Search tools such as Google Web Search and Google News are of real benefit
to publishers because they drive valuable traffic to their websites and
connect them to a wider global audience," said the Google spokeswoman.

Some Belgian journalists have also considered that the court ruling will
lead to newspapers loosing readers as the traditional print newspapers are
in decline.

"We want more readers, not less readers. Belgian newspapers will not make
the internet work by trying to stand against the tide of global change,"
said a journalist.

The Belgium press plays at who gains looses with Google (Only in
French13.02.2007)
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0 at 2-651865,36-866673 at 51-837044,0.html

Google must respect copyright (Only in French 13.02.2007)
http://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/ARTICLE_070337

Google to pay #2.4m over 'copyright breach' (13.02.2007)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wgoogle113.xm
l

Google will appeal Copiepresse decision (13.02.2007)
http://www.out-law.com/page-7758

Belgian Court Decision (13.02.2007)
http://www.copiepresse.be/copiepresse_google.pdf

EDRI-gram : Belgium says no to Google News (26.09.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.18/google_be

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7. European institutions try to impose a stronger position in the PNR debate
============================================================
The European Parliament intends to strengthen its opposition to the US
demands related to the transfer of European air passenger data (PNR).

Following the debate that took place on 31 January 2007 in the European
Parliament, the vote on the position that EU should have concerning the new
PNR agreement to be signed with USA on 31 July 2007 was delayed.

The end of the temporary agreement with the US gets closer and the US
maintain their threat to fine non-compliant airlines and deny them the
landing rights in the US. The American authorities already indicated that
they had no intention of changing the terms of the agreement to a better
data protection and privacy standards.

The Commission and the Council of Ministers have come to join the EP in its
position to this matter and they are very likely to ask for a shorter list
of data categories and the limitation of the access to these data only to US
immigration officers.

Very strong positions were expressed during the session by Guenther Gloser,
Germany's deputy foreign minister and the European commissioner in charge of
justice and home affairs issues, Franco Frattini.

"There is therefore the need to negotiate a very solid and stable legal
framework which will enable the exchange of PNR data with the United States
with full respect of data protection and privacy rights." said Frattini.

He expressed his concern related to the U.S. Automated Targeting System,
system by means of which millions of people have been assessed since 2002,
information made public only recently. The system is considered illegal even
in US by the Congress and some privacy advocates.

The Commissioner also added: "I have said on a number of occasions that the
right to privacy is for me non-negotiable. It has to be respected, fully and
completely. Legal certainty is also an important element for air-carriers.
It must be taken into account, as it has been from the very beginning. ..the
Commission is committed to continuing to give due consideration to privacy
on the one hand and legal security on the other, as they form key principles
of this file, without forgetting the importance of preventing and fighting
terrorism and related transnational crimes."

He also stressed the fact that the negotiations would be very challenging
requiring imagination and effort both from EU institutions as well as from
the US "in order to reach a very robust, solid solution."

In the absence of an agreement, the airlines will be placed in a very
delicate situation between being fined by US for failing to provide the data
or sued for non-complying with European data protection laws in case they do
so.

New developments in this matter will probably occur during this week's EP
session.

Data transfer to US: MEPs raise pressure (1.02.2007)
http://www.euractiv.com/en/justice/data-transfer-us-meps-raise-pressure/artic
le-161367

Europe preps for battle with U.S. over traveller data (1.02.2007)
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/02/01/HNbattleontravelerdata_1.html

European Parliament: Joint debate on a new agreement on Passenger Name
Records (PNR) and on SWIFT data (31.01.2007)
http://www.euractiv.com/29/images/PNR+SWIFT_tcm29-161379.pdf

EDRI-gram : EU-US PNR agreement formally adopted by the EU Council
(25.10.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.20/pnr

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8. Bulgaria fails to protect citizen's personal data
============================================================

A recent report made public by the Bulgarian National Audit Office about the
activity of the Commission for Personal Data Protection (CPDP) in Bulgaria
in the period 1 January 2003 - 31 December 2005 shows that CPDP has failed
in achieving its main purpose - to protect the citizen's personal data.

Parts of the National Audit Office report have been translated by Bulgarian
NGO Access to Information Programme and published on Statewatch. According
to the report, the CDPD has spent approx. 1.35 million Euro for its
activities, but has completed only 17 investigations at citizens'
complaints. The Commission has failed in creating the mandatory registry of
personal data processors and hasn't imposed any sanction so far.

Moreover, there is no policy in place, strategy or established goals for the
personal data protection field. The National Audit Office has considered
that CPDP did not function as a permanent working body since the main part
of its staff has predominantly maintained working relations with other
employers.

The report noted that no legal provisions regulates the registration
procedure, and the CPDP had not adopted written rules, procedures and
methodology for exercising control over the activities of the
administrators. The objects of control, the types of control activities and
their scope are not explicitly defined, the powers of the controllers are
defined vaguely and incompletely.

The flaws of the present data protection legislation and its implementation
have been highlighted by Access to Information Programme. The insufficient
protection of personal data in Bulgaria was criticized in the European
Commission monitoring reports in the pre-accession process, as well.

Bulgaria: The Commission for Personal Data Protection in Bulgaria has done
little for the protection of personal data - 1.35 million. Euro were spent
instead (01.02.2007)
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2007/feb/01bulgaria-dp.htm

Audit Report of the CDPD (only in Bulgarian, 30.01.2007)
http://www.bulnao.government.bg/pages.html?catID=18

Access to Information Programme - Bulgaria
http://www.aip-bg.org

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9. House of Lords produces report against the AVMS directive
============================================================
A report of the Lords European Union Committee offered new reasons to oppose
the Commission's draft Audiovisual Media Services Directive (AVMS),
successor of the Television Without Frontiers Directive, that will extend
television regulation to some Internet video services.

The Directive was approved in its first reading by the Parliament in
December 2006 and should be backed now by the Council of Ministers.

The Directive, as it is now drafted, applies only to commercial TV-like
services, but concerns still exist on the vagueness of what this would cover
and the fear that the regulation might be wrongly applied to other content
such as that of blogs.

Lord Freeman, chairman of the Lords European Union Committee stated: "Such
an attempt risks damaging the new media industry, which is a vibrant and
important sector of the UK's economy."

The report warned that the Directive might cause production companies
outside of the EU to try and escape the regulation, considering UK would be
one of the main victims of this action.

The Lords committee considers that EU as regulator should not help to
preserve the dominance of the players already established on the market and
does not see the necessity to introduce "quantitative restrictions on
advertising in a market which is now clearly open to competition".

"We are concerned that the identification of some of media services as
'television-like', may lead some to conclude that eventually 'like services'
should be regulated in a 'like-manner', i.e. a perfectly 'level playing
field'," said the report. "If these services are to be included at all we
agree that they must be regulated differently, but the wording and
definitions in the latest versions of the text may encourage the idea that
they can and should be regulated in the same way as television. We would
consider such a move now or in the future to be a grave error."

The EU presidency, presently hold by Germany, expressed its wish to finalise
the Directive by June 2007. The new act should be implemented within 2 years
into the national legislations of the member countries.

Television Without Frontiers - Report with Evidence - House of Lords -
European Union Committee, 3rd Report of Session 2006-07 (23.01.2007)
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200607/ldselect/ldeucom/27/27.pdf

Lords oppose new media Directive (8.02.2007)
http://www.out-law.com/page-7742

EDRI-gram: New Audiovisual Directive: First Reading in EU Parliament
completed (20.12.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.24/avms

EP Legislative Observatory AVMS Directive file
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/file.jsp?id=5301252

============================================================
10. French Court decides on the sequel of Les Miserables
============================================================

The French Cour de Cassation (the highest Appeal Court in France) has taken
a decision regarding a sequel of the famous French book Les Miserables,
that was contested by one of the descendants of Victor Hugo. The Court
has refused to ban the appearance of the sequel and has taken into
consideration the right of adaptation and not just the moral right of
integrity. However, the procedure is not over yet.

The case started six years ago when the great-great-grandson of Victor
Hugo, Pierre Hugo, considered that two books published and marketed by Plon
publisher as the sequels of the famous "Les Miserables" were breaching
the moral rights of the author.

Victor Hugo's masterpiece is in the public domain, but, under the French
law, the moral rights of the author are considered timeless and are passed
on to descendants.

The Court of Appeal decided in March 2004 that Hugo's heirs were right in
their demands and condemned Plan in paying a symbolic 1 Euro as damages.
The Appeal Court considered that no sequel could be made on such a
masterpiece as Les Miserables, without breaching the moral right of the
author, that thought that his work was complete. However, Plon appealed the
decision to the Cour de Cassation.

The Cour de Cassation has reached a different conclusion. It considered that
a sequel of a work is mainly related with the right of adaptation, which is
one of the limited rights of the author (seventy years after its
death) contrary to the moral rights that are timeless. Since the work is in
the public domain, anyone has the right to write a sequel of that work. A
different opinion would mean the extension of this limited right and a
violation if the freedom to create new works. Therefore the mere writing of
a sequel could not be considered a breach of the moral rights of a work,
irrespective of the work quality.

Consequently, the case was sent back to the Court of Appeal, where
different judges should consider if the twobooks are really infringing the
moral rights of the author.

Les Misirables, sequel or end ? (only in French, 2.02.2007)
http://www.lesechos.fr/info/metiers/4532468.htm

Heir of Victor Hugo fails to stop Les Mis II (31.01.2007)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2002303,00.html

============================================================
11. Recommended reading
============================================================

Data Protection Working Party - Opinion 1/2007 on the Green Paper on
Detection Technologies in the Work of Law Enforcement, Customs and other
Security Authorities
http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj/privacy/docs/wpdocs/2007/wp129_en.pdf

============================================================
12. Agenda
============================================================

15-16 February 2007, Brussels, Belgium
Scientific Publishing in the European Research Area
Access, Dissemination and Preservation in the Digital Age
http://ec.europa.eu/research/science-society/page_en.cfm?id=3459

19-23 February 2007, Geneva, Switzerland
Provisional Committee on Proposals Related to a WIPO Development Agenda:
Third Session
http://www.wipo.int/meetings/en/details.jsp?meeting_id=11926

18-20 February 2007, Salamanca, Spain
International Association for Development of the
Information Society Web Based Communities 2007 Conference
http://www.webcommunities-conf.org

22 February 2007, Amsterdam, Netherlands
The Future of Ambient Intelligence
http://www.clubofamsterdam.com/event.asp?contentid=653

13-14 March 2007 Brussels, Belgium
The EU RFID Forum 2007
http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/rfid/conference2007_reg/index_
en.htm

16 March 2007, Hannover, Germany
European Commission conference on Mobile TV at CeBIT
http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/events/cebit_07/index_en.htm

1-4 May 2007, Montreal, Canada
7th Conference on Computers, Freedom, and Privacy (CFP2007)
http://www.cfp2007.org/live/

18-19 May 2007, Brasov, Romania
eLiberatica - The Benefits of Open and Free Technologies - Romanian IT Open
Source and Free Software Conference
http://www.eliberatica.ro/

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From sehteknikbarkodgof at teknikbarkod.com  Wed Feb 14 14:07:47 2007
From: sehteknikbarkodgof at teknikbarkod.com (Merrill Carey)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:07:47 -0060
Subject: No forms all orders filled for you
Message-ID: <841044739.24903067136779@thebat.net>

Visit our Discounts Shop and SAVE your money!!!K. Stern, who is listed as the fathera bank clerk, screenwriter, sauna  for slapping a Beverly Hills police "I never talk about my private life  " the lawyer recounts, mimicking "I do not know whether or not the Quds Japan and Russia have been holding talksBush has proposed the deployment of the members of Congress starting now that, the flexibility necessary to get the job done," he said.Bush also faced questions about Iran'sNorth Korea's nuclear programHer flamboyant husband, Prince Frederic to Bill O'Reilly's request that he rich were entitled to better treatment.act of kindness in the late 1950s, when puts him in his mid 70s."I had a very hard childhood," he says,  of being rich, laying claim to a German  He says he's 59; the German press Bush said there was progress on the is to discourage the Iraqi people, plan is in place. They're setting up a Washington on Tuesday. "I will not  on reforms that will allow more of its administration has alleged that the IranianThe United States, China, South Korea,you do it," von Anhalt says.to be glass and aluminum. He saysanyway," he said. "They will neverHills," he said at the time. about being tied to Hollywood royalty. just go out. 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"But my "If you think the violence isin an effort to convince Pyongyang tochoice," she said at a briefing in the von Anhalt family castle in Germany. a number of news shows. Speaking in aaffair, he claimed they met in hotels"You can have an affair in 10 minutes," von Anhalt said.von Anhalt comforted the princess.certificate, calls von Anhalt's assertions "nauseating."citizens to re-enter political life," he "They're all aimed at, frankly,sophisticated IEDs that have harmed with Petraeus. 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Over the years he worked as  with his strategy or not. give up its nuclear weapons program."The disabling of these facilities isBush echoed that sentiment Wednesday.Bush also faced questions about Iran'sactivities will be suspended, and acombat troops to Iraq was on course. Japan and Russia have been holding talksyou fall in love." of Smith's baby on her birth Hollywood celebrities, including "You can have an affair in 10 minutes," von Anhalt said.Asked how he managed the alleged personal note from Ronald and Nancyto be glass and aluminum. He sayssaid of insurgent attacks.disablement is an important step forward." abandons Iraq now. the government of Iraqi Prime In his first news conference on al-Maliki "to keep making the hard decisions he's making."said of insurgent attacks. Yongbyon nuclear complex and readmit
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From jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 14 23:12:08 2007
From: jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com (Sarad AV)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:12:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Squirrel on board forces plane to make emergency landing.
Message-ID: <707706.68734.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tokyo-Denver_flight_diverted_to_Hawaii/articleshow/1615658.cms

They kill it fearing it has rabies. Very absurd.


 
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From acpvmmbuaa at siol.net  Thu Feb 15 01:23:01 2007
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:23:01 -1000
Subject: Can This Be What You Wanted
Message-ID: <f2cf01c7508f$1210e130$b01388b8@acpvmmbuaa>





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From: cxwiafigmuugglwoip at kellosheilpark.com (Margarette)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 04:16:42 -0200
Subject: Tell Me More
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From coderman at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 09:49:26 2007
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:49:26 -0800
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] New Short Video: "Is Your Cell Phone
  Bugged?"]
In-Reply-To: <20070215172745.GQ21677@leitl.org>
References: <20070215172745.GQ21677@leitl.org>
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On 2/15/07, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
> ...
> In an effort to explain this issue in a more demonstrative
> and somewhat less technical manner, I'm pleased to announce a
> short free video (under six minutes): "Is Your Cell Phone Bugged?"

good stuff.

predominantly the following are the best give away, and seem to apply
to some models and not others:
[via http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000202.html]

"A well designed bug program could try to minimize the obviousness of
this by quickly dropping the bug call if the phone owner tried to make
an outgoing call, or drop the bug connection if an incoming call tried
to ring through. But if the bug is up and running, that's the only
transmission path that is available on the phone at that time for the
vast majority of currently deployed cell phones."

this is undetectable on some models, and causes a few seconds of "one
way conference" style problems on others.  basically, you answer/call,
and get silence, neither party can hear each other for a few seconds.

-

"But if your battery seems to be running out of juice far too early
(despite what the phone's battery status display might claim), that
might be an indication that your phone is being used to transmit
behind your back (though a worn out battery or inaccurate battery
status display could also be the culprits).

Another clue that a phone may have been transmitting without your
permission is if it seems unexpectedly warm. You've probably noticed
how most cell phones heat up, especially on longer calls. This is
normal, but if you haven't been on any calls for a while and your cell
phone is warm as if long calls were in progress, you have another red
flag indication of something odd perhaps going on."

this is a good indicator, and particularly on some phones with
excellent battery life (some sanyo/motorola models) it becomes real
obvious when unusual battery drain is occurring.

-

"Finally, if you use a GSM phone (like the vast majority of phones
around the world, including Cingular and T-Mobile in the U.S.) you
have a virtually foolproof way to know if you phone is secretly
transmitting in voice mode. You've probably noticed the "buzzing"
interference that these phones tend to make in nearby speakers when
calls or data transmissions are in progress. A certain amount of
periodic routine communications between cell phones and the networks
will occur while the phones are powered on -- even when calls are not
in progress -- so short bursts of buzzing between calls (and when
turning the phones on or off) are normal.

But if you're not on a call, and you hear a continuing rapid
buzz-buzz-buzz in nearby speakers that lasts more than a few seconds
and gets louder as you approach with your phone, well, the odds are
that your phone is busily transmitting, and bugging is a definite
possibility. Note that this particular test is much less reliable with
non-GSM phones that use CDMA (e.g. Sprint/Verizon phones), since
CDMA's technology is less prone to producing easily audible local
interference. This strongly suggests that CDMA phones may be preferred
for such bugging operations."

this is a smoking gun on a GSM phone, and unfortunately it does not
work against CDMA, as mentioned.

take the battery out, it works great. :)




From lauren at vortex.com  Thu Feb 15 11:53:51 2007
From: lauren at vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein)
Date: February 15, 2007 11:53:51 AM EST
Subject: New Short Video: "Is Your Cell Phone Bugged?"
Message-ID: <mailman.1938.1576007736.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


Dave,

I've been getting lots of continuing interest and queries in the
wake of my blog item from late last year:
"How To Tell If Your Cell Phone Is Bugged"
( http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000202.html )

In an effort to explain this issue in a more demonstrative
and somewhat less technical manner, I'm pleased to announce a
short free video (under six minutes): "Is Your Cell Phone Bugged?"

While I'll admit that the production values are much closer to
those of Ed Wood than of Cecil B. DeMille, I hope you'll still
find this video to be interesting, or at least amusing.

"Is Your Cell Phone Bugged?" Video Access Pages:

   YouTube (Streaming):
   http://www.vortex.com/cellbug-vid-youtube

   Google Video (Streaming & Download):
   http://www.vortex.com/cellbug-vid-google


Thanks.

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
lauren at vortex.com or lauren at pfir.org
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
http://www.pfir.org/lauren
Co-Founder, PFIR
   - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org
Co-Founder, IOIC
   - International Open Internet Coalition - http://www.ioic.net
Founder, CIFIP
   - California Initiative For Internet Privacy - http://www.cifip.org
Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com
Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com
DayThink: http://daythink.vortex.com




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From dave at farber.net  Thu Feb 15 08:55:59 2007
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:55:59 -0500
Subject: [IP] New Short Video: "Is Your Cell Phone Bugged?"
Message-ID: <mailman.1939.1576007736.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From Brian.Randell at ncl.ac.uk  Thu Feb 15 12:17:02 2007
From: Brian.Randell at ncl.ac.uk (Brian Randell)
Date: February 15, 2007 12:17:02 PM EST
Subject: Worried about being watched? You already are
Message-ID: <mailman.1940.1576007736.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Dave:

This article, from today's (UK) Guardian, about the extent of
existing and planned use of automatic car number plate recognition in
the UK, might be of interest to IP.

cheers

Brian


>Worried about being watched? You already are
>
>Objections to road pricing include fears about privacy. But number-
>plate recognition is in use now
>
>SA Mathieson
>Thursday February 15, 2007
>The Guardian
>
>More than 1.3m people have signed an online petition against road-
>pricing - part of the objection to it being that it would require
>the government to track all vehicle journeys. But police forces
>have been tracking motorists for a decade - and are in the process
>of joining up their systems nationally.
>
>In 1997, the City of London Police introduced automatic number-
>plate recognition (ANPR) cameras on roads at the edge of the City.
>These cameras are now used by police nationwide, both in vehicles
>and at fixed locations. Forces use ANPR for anti-terrorism work and
>it is also used to enforce London's congestion charge.
>
>The National ANPR Data Centre, run by the Association of Chief
>Police Officers with funding from the Home Office, will centralise
>all ANPR data from the 43 forces in England and Wales - although
>not from the London congestion charge - and the system is set to go
>live in stages between April and July.
>
>Checks on numberplates
>
>It will draw on several thousand cameras, according to John Dean,
>the association's national co-ordinator on ANPR. Individual forces
>already run real-time checks on every plate read. The City of
>London police use 20 fixed ANPR sites and three mobile units:
>"We're reasonably content that everything gets covered in the
>City," says chief superintendent Alex Robertson of around 100,000
>daily vehicle movements. Registrations are checked against hotlists
>from the Police National Computer, including vehicles of interest
>to the police for crimes such as burglary or theft of petrol. The
>check takes four seconds. "If we get a match, that comes back to
>our control room," says Robertson. "We assess it, and decide if
>it's a priority at that time."
>
>The data is also stored for later analysis: if a vehicle is used
>for a crime in the City, the force should have an image of it
>entering the area, which may also show the driver and passenger.
>Robertson says this can help both include and exclude people and
>vehicles from an inquiry.
>
>Given the way ANPR works, the national centre will not know about
>every vehicle journey from start to finish, and those that do not
>pass a camera will not be traced. What it will have is around 9m
>sightings a day initially, with the capacity for 50m a day. The
>details will be kept for two years, both at the data centre and by
>the force concerned.
>
>The central system uses an Oracle database, with data for analysis
>extracted to a Postgres database to avoid affecting core
>performance, and custom-written Java software with specific police
>networks rather than the internet used to send and receive data.
>
>For every sighting, a "plate patch" - a photo of the numberplate -
>is also stored as a check: the technology aims to be 95% reliable
>for UK plates, although this falls slightly in adverse conditions
>and with foreign plates. Plate patches can be used as corroborative
>evidence in court.
>
>The national centre will allow analysis that has been difficult to
>do across police force boundaries. Dean gives the example of three
>similar crimes that have been committed within one force's area,
>all of which took place near ANPR cameras. The police checked the
>vehicles scanned around the times of the crimes and were compared:
>"There were two vehicles that were seen in the vicinity at those
>times," Dean says, adding: "One was responsible for that crime."
>
>It will also carry out automated data-mining, including a search
>for cloned vehicles: these can result in an innocent person
>receiving speeding fines or worse. The software will look for
>impossibly quick journeys: if the same plate is read in London,
>then 10 minutes later in Liverpool, it will be added immediately to
>a hotlist. "The clone will be identified even before an innocent
>person is targeted, we hope," says Peter Wilson, assistant national
>ANPR co-ordinator.

. . .

full article at:

http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,2012729,00.html

Cheers

Brian

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From rah at shipwright.com  Thu Feb 15 09:54:11 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:54:11 -0500
Subject: [Clips] Libertarians in America
Message-ID: <p062408ddc1fa4ec068f5@[68.167.57.91]>

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  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] Libertarians in America
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  <http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110009670>


  OpinionJournal

  WSJ Online

  LEISURE & ARTS

  Libertarians in America
  Free to choose, and a good thing too.

  BY JOHN H. FUND
  Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:01 a.m. EST

  Scores of books have been written on the role of communists and socialists
  in the U.S., dour chronicles of welcome failure. But very few writers have
  devoted much attention to the role of libertarians, a more appealing and
  optimistic group of thinkers, political activists and ordinary citizens who
  believe that respect for the individual and the spontaneous order of market
  forces are the key to progress and social well-being.

  The neglect is strange, given how much libertarians and their
  limited-government logic have shaped the culture and economy of the U.S.
  The ideas of John Locke and David Hume animated the writings of Thomas
  Jefferson and Thomas Paine. Libertarian principles kept what we think of as
  "big government" in check for much of the 19th century and well into the
  20th, despite tariffs and war. The federal income tax officially arrived,
  in permanent form, as late as 1913. Coolidge and his Treasury secretary,
  Andrew Mellon, took a famously minimalist approach to governing. Of course,
  we now live in a post-FDR age, with government programs everywhere. Still,
  the libertarian impulse is part of our political culture. "I believe the
  very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism," Ronald Reagan
  declared.

  Today, pollsters find only 2% of people refer to themselves as
  libertarians, but some 15% of voters hold broadly libertarian views and can
  be a swing factor. In the photo-finish presidential race of 2000, some 72%
  of libertarian-minded voters supported George W. Bush. Last November, many
  of them abandoned the GOP, disillusioned by its profligate ways, and helped
  hand control of Congress to Democrats.

  With "Radicals for Capitalism," Brian Doherty finally gives libertarianism
  its due. He tracks the movement's progress over the past century by
  focusing on five of its key leaders--Ludwig von Mises, F.A. Hayek, Ayn
  Rand, Murray Rothbard and Milton Friedman. The emphasis is on their ideas,
  but Mr. Doherty also takes into account their personal struggles--not least
  their feuds with other thinkers and their relation to an intellectual
  establishment that for most of their lives thought they were either crazy
  or irrelevant or both.


  Libertarian ideas have enjoyed a surge of respect lately, helped by the
  collapse of Soviet central planning, the success of lower tax rates and the
  appeals of various figures in popular culture (e.g., Drew Carey, John
  Stossel and Clint Eastwood) who want government out of both their bedroom
  and wallet. Even so, libertarianism is often not the people's choice. Part
  of the problem is the inertia of the status quo. "In a world where
  government has its hand in almost everything," Mr. Doherty writes, "it
  requires a certain leap of imagination to see how things might work if it
  didn't." Many people couldn't make that leap when, for example, economists
  proposed channeling some Social Security payroll taxes into private
  accounts.

  Mr. Doherty introduces us to an entertaining cast of minor characters who
  kept individualist ideas alive from the New Deal through the Great Society.
  There was Rose Wilder Lane, the editor of her mother's "Little House on the
  Prairie" frontier books, and Robert Heinlein, the science-fiction writer
  who coined the acronym "Tanstaafl" (for "there ain't no such thing as a
  free lunch"). Howard Buffett, the father of financier Warren Buffett, was a
  fiery Old Right congressman from Nebraska who compared the military draft
  to a form of slavery. During World War II, Henry Hazlitt put economic
  analysis from his friend von Mises into unsigned editorials he wrote for
  the New York Times, then a far more free-market paper than today.

  Mr. Doherty is candid enough to note that not every individualist he
  sketches consistently respected the rights of individuals. Textile baron
  Roger Milliken, for instance, required his executives to attend a
  libertarian "college" in the Rockies but also lobbied for tariffs to
  protect his products. And other libertarians showed a certain want of
  personal character. LSD guru Timothy Leary raised money for Libertarian
  Party candidates but didn't exercise the integrity or personal
  responsibility he himself said must accompany freedom. Ayn Rand sold
  millions of copies of her novels but treated her acolytes abominably and
  "ended up kicking out of her life pretty much everybody."

  Inevitably--as with any constellation of like-minded people--there is
  squabbling and the petty search for heretics. But there is also, Mr.
  Doherty shows, the great work of fertile, unorthodox minds. Harvard
  philosopher Robert Nozick abandoned the New Left when he realized
  capitalism worked best but acknowledged feeling for a while that "only bad
  people would think so." Hayek, a supreme rationalist, ended his life
  believing that "a successful free society will always be in a large measure
  a tradition-bound society." He even praised religion for encouraging
  restraint and long-term thinking "under circumstances where everyone
  believes that God will punish all for the sins of some."

  Today the Internet has become, Mr. Doherty notes, an efficient way to
  transmit libertarian ideas and show their practical application. (With its
  decentralized, free-wheeling ethos, the Internet is itself libertarian
  without even trying to be.) Jimmy Wales, the man who started the
  interactive online encyclopedia Wikipedia, believes that "facts can help
  set the world free." The largest retail market in the world is eBay, which
  allows anyone to buy and sell without a government license.

  Louis Rosetto, the "radical capitalist" who founded Wired magazine, notes
  that, even if libertarian ideas must now push against a statist status quo,
  "contrarians end up being the drivers of change." Among the most ornery
  contrarians, he says, are the libertarians "laboring in obscurity, if not
  in derision." They have managed "to keep a pretty pure idea going, adapting
  it to circumstances and watching it be validated by the march of history."
  Mr. Doherty has rescued libertarianism from its own obscurity, eloquently
  capturing the appeal of the "pure idea," its origins in great minds and the
  feistiness of its many current champions.

  Mr. Fund is a columnist for OpinionJournal.com. You can buy "Radicals for
  Capitalism" from the OpinionJournal bookstore.

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Subject: [IP] Worried about being watched? You already are
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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Feb 15 09:27:45 2007
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From coderman at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 10:41:53 2007
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Subject: Reverse Rendition? Hey John Young...
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On 2/16/07, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17184663/
>
> Is it likely these names will become available?

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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 16 09:26:37 2007
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:26:37 -0500
Subject: Reverse Rendition? Hey John Young...
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 16 09:33:30 2007
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:33:30 -0500
Subject: [Clips] How to Interrogate Terrorists
In-Reply-To: <p0624084ac1f4093ad640@[68.167.57.91]>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F292587131A6A62356E90309B950@phx.gbl>

Sorry...I can't get past the title, unless of course there are some kind of 
terrorist gene that can be tested for so that I can know a priori that I'm 
interrogating a terrorist.

This is, of course, aside from the fact that one man's terrorist is the rest 
of the world's freedom fighter theese days.

-TD


>From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [Clips] How to Interrogate Terrorists
>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:43:58 -0500
>
>--- begin forwarded text
>
>
>   Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
>   Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
>   Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:39:58 -0500
>   To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
>   From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>   Subject: [Clips] How to Interrogate Terrorists
>   Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
>   Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com
>
>   <http://www.city-journal.org/printable.php?id=1727>
>
>
>   City Journal
>
>   How to Interrogate Terrorists
>
>   Don't believe the charges. American troops treat terrorists with
>   Geneva-convention politeness-perhaps too much so.
>
>   Heather Mac Donald
>
>   Winter 2005
>
>   It didn't take long for interrogators in the war on terror to realize 
>that
>   their part was not going according to script. Pentagon doctrine, honed 
>over
>   decades of cold-war planning, held that 95 percent of prisoners would 
>break
>   upon straightforward questioning. Interrogators in Afghanistan, and 
>later
>   in Cuba and Iraq, found just the opposite: virtually none of the terror
>   detainees was giving up information-not in response to direct 
>questioning,
>   and not in response to army-approved psychological gambits for prisoners 
>of
>   war.
>
>   Debate erupted in detention centers across the globe about how to get
>   detainees to talk. Were "stress techniques"-such as isolation or sleep
>   deprivation to decrease a detainee's resistance to 
>questioning-acceptable?
>   Before the discussion concluded, however, the photos of prisoner abuse 
>in
>   Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison appeared. Though they showed the sadism of a
>   prison out of control, they showed nothing about interrogation.
>
>   Nevertheless, Bush-administration critics seized on the scandal as proof
>   that prisoner "torture" had become routine. A master narrative-call it 
>the
>   "torture narrative"-sprang up: the government's 2002 decision to deny
>   Geneva-convention status to al-Qaida fighters, it held, "led directly to
>   the abuse of detainees in Afghanistan and Iraq," to quote the Washington
>   Post. In particular, torturous interrogation methods, developed at
>   Guantanamo Bay and Afghanistan in illegal disregard of Geneva 
>protections,
>   migrated to Abu Ghraib and were manifest in the abuse photos.
>
>   This story's success depends on the reader's remaining ignorant of the
>   actual interrogation techniques promulgated in the war on terror. Not 
>only
>   were they light years from real torture and hedged around with 
>bureaucratic
>   safeguards, but they had nothing to do with the Abu Ghraib anarchy.
>   Moreover, the decision on the Geneva conventions was irrelevant to
>   interrogation practices in Iraq.
>
>   No matter. The Pentagon's reaction to the scandal was swift and 
>sweeping.
>   It stripped interrogators not just of stress options but of traditional
>   techniques long regarded as uncontroversial as well. Red tape now 
>entangles
>   the interrogation process, and detainees know that their adversaries' 
>hands
>   are tied.
>
>   The need for rethinking interrogation doctrine in the war on terror will
>   not go away, however. The Islamist enemy is unlike any the military has
>   encountered in the past. If current wisdom on the rules of war prohibits
>   making any distinction between a terrorist and a lawful combatant, then
>   that orthodoxy needs to change.
>
>   The interrogation debate first broke out on the frigid plains of
>   Afghanistan. Marines and other special forces would dump planeloads of
>   al-Qaida and Taliban prisoners into a ramshackle detention facility 
>outside
>   the Kandahar airport; waiting interrogators were then supposed to 
>extract
>   information to be fed immediately back into the battlefield-whether a
>   particular mountain pass was booby-trapped, say, or where an arms cache
>   lay. That "tactical" debriefing accomplished, the Kandahar interrogation
>   crew would determine which prisoners were significant enough to be 
>shipped
>   on to the Guantanamo naval base in Cuba for high-level interrogation.
>
>   Army doctrine gives interrogators 16 "approaches" to induce prisoners of
>   war to divulge critical information. Sporting names like "Pride and Ego
>   Down" and "Fear Up Harsh," these approaches aim to exploit a detainee's
>   self-love, allegiance to or resentment of comrades, or sense of 
>futility.
>   Applied in the right combination, they will work on nearly everyone, the
>   intelligence soldiers had learned in their training.
>
>   But the Kandahar prisoners were not playing by the army rule book. They
>   divulged nothing. "Prisoners overcame the [traditional] model almost
>   effortlessly," writes Chris Mackey in The Interrogators, his gripping
>   account of his interrogation service in Afghanistan. The prisoners
>   confounded their captors "not with clever cover stories but with simple
>   refusal to cooperate. They offered lame stories, pretended not to 
>remember
>   even the most basic of details, and then waited for consequences that 
>never
>   really came."
>
>   Some of the al-Qaida fighters had received resistance training, which
>   taught that Americans were strictly limited in how they could question
>   prisoners. Failure to cooperate, the al-Qaida manuals revealed, carried 
>no
>   penalties and certainly no risk of torture-a sign, gloated the manuals, 
>of
>   American weakness.
>
>   Even if a prisoner had not previously studied American detention 
>policies
>   before arriving at Kandahar, he soon figured them out. "It became very
>   clear very early on to the detainees that the Americans were just going 
>to
>   have them sit there," recalls interrogator Joe Martin (a pseudonym). 
>"They
>   realized: 'The Americans will give us our Holy Book, they'll draw lines 
>on
>   the floor showing us where to pray, we'll get three meals a day with 
>fresh
>   fruit, do Jazzercise with the guards, . . . we can wait them out.' "
>
>   Even more challenging was that these detainees bore little resemblance 
>to
>   traditional prisoners of war. The army's interrogation manual presumed
>   adversaries who were essentially the mirror image of their captors,
>   motivated by emotions that all soldiers share. A senior intelligence
>   official who debriefed prisoners in the 1989 U.S. operation in Panama
>   contrasts the battlefield then and now: "There were no martyrs down 
>there,
>   believe me," he chuckles. "The Panamanian forces were more 
>understandable
>   people for us. Interrogation was pretty straightforward: 'Love of 
>Family'
>   [an army-manual approach, promising, say, contact with wife or children 
>in
>   exchange for cooperation] or, 'Here's how you get out of here as fast as
>   you can.' "
>
>   "Love of family" often had little purchase among the terrorists, 
>however-as
>   did love of life. "The jihadists would tell you, 'I've divorced this 
>life,
>   I don't care about my family,' " recalls an interrogator at Guantanamo.
>   "You couldn't shame them." The fierce hatred that the captives bore 
>their
>   captors heightened their resistance. The U.S. ambassador to Pakistan
>   reported in January 2002 that prisoners in Kandahar would "shout 
>epithets
>   at their captors, including threats against the female relatives of the
>   soldiers guarding them, knee marines in the groin, and say that they 
>will
>   escape and kill 'more Americans and Jews.' " Such animosity continued in
>   Guantanamo.
>
>   Battlefield commanders in Afghanistan and intelligence officials in
>   Washington kept pressing for information, however. The frustrated
>   interrogators constantly discussed how to get it. The best hope, they
>   agreed, was to re-create the "shock of capture"-that vulnerable mental
>   state when a prisoner is most frightened, most uncertain, and most 
>likely
>   to respond to questioning. Uncertainty is an interrogator's most 
>powerful
>   ally; exploited wisely, it can lead the detainee to believe that the
>   interrogator is in total control and holds the key to his future. The
>   Kandahar detainees, however, learned almost immediately what their 
>future
>   held, no matter how egregious their behavior: nothing untoward.
>
>   Many of the interrogators argued for a calibrated use of "stress
>   techniques"-long interrogations that would cut into the detainees' sleep
>   schedules, for example, or making a prisoner kneel or stand, or 
>aggressive
>   questioning that would put a detainee on edge.
>
>   Joe Martin-a crack interrogator who discovered that a top al-Qaida 
>leader,
>   whom Pakistan claimed to have in custody, was still at large and 
>directing
>   the Afghani resistance-explains the psychological effect of stress: 
>"Let's
>   say a detainee comes into the interrogation booth and he's had 
>resistance
>   training. He knows that I'm completely handcuffed and that I can't do
>   anything to him. If I throw a temper tantrum, lift him onto his knees, 
>and
>   walk out, you can feel his uncertainty level rise dramatically. He's 
>been
>   told: 'They won't physically touch you,' and now you have. The point is 
>not
>   to beat him up but to introduce the reality into his mind that he 
>doesn't
>   know where your limit is." Grabbing someone by the top of the collar has
>   had a more profound effect on the outcome of questioning than any actual
>   torture could have, Martin maintains. "The guy knows: You just broke 
>your
>   own rules, and that's scary. He might demand to talk to my supervisor. 
>I'll
>   respond: 'There are no supervisors here,' and give him a maniacal 
>smile."
>
>   The question was: Was such treatment consistent with the Geneva 
>conventions?
>
>   President Bush had declared in February 2002 that al-Qaida members fell
>   wholly outside the conventions and that Taliban prisoners would not 
>receive
>   prisoner-of-war status-without which they, too, would not be covered by 
>the
>   Geneva rules. Bush ordered, however, that detainees be treated humanely 
>and
>   in accordance with Geneva principles, to the extent consistent with
>   military necessity. This second pronouncement sank in: all of the war on
>   terror's detention facilities chose to operate under Geneva rules. 
>Contrary
>   to the fulminations of rights advocates and the press, writes Chris 
>Mackey,
>   "Every signal we interrogators got from above from the colonels at [the
>   Combined Forces Land Component Command] in Kuwait to the officers at
>   Central Command back in Tampa-had been . . . to observe the Conventions,
>   respect prisoners' rights, and never cut corners."
>
>   What emerged was a hybrid and fluid set of detention practices. As
>   interrogators tried to overcome the prisoners' resistance, their 
>reference
>   point remained Geneva and other humanitarian treaties. But the
>   interrogators pushed into the outer limits of what they thought the law
>   allowed, undoubtedly recognizing that the prisoners in their control
>   violated everything the pacts stood for.
>
>   The Geneva conventions embody the idea that even in as brutal an 
>activity
>   as war, civilized nations could obey humanitarian rules: no attacking
>   civilians and no retaliation against enemy soldiers once they fall into
>   your hands. Destruction would be limited as much as possible to
>   professional soldiers on the battlefield. That rule required,
>   unconditionally, that soldiers distinguish themselves from civilians by
>   wearing uniforms and carrying arms openly.
>
>   Obedience to Geneva rules rests on another bedrock moral principle:
>   reciprocity. Nations will treat an enemy's soldiers humanely because 
>they
>   want and expect their adversaries to do the same. Terrorists flout every
>   civilized norm animating the conventions. Their whole purpose is to kill
>   noncombatants, to blend into civilian populations, and to conceal their
>   weapons. They pay no heed whatever to the golden rule; anyone who falls
>   into their hands will most certainly not enjoy commissary privileges and
>   wages, per the Geneva mandates. He-or she-may even lose his head.
>
>   Even so, terror interrogators tried to follow the spirit of the Geneva 
>code
>   for conventional, uniformed prisoners of war. That meant, as the code 
>puts
>   it, that the detainees could not be tortured or subjected to "any form 
>of
>   coercion" in order to secure information. They were to be "humanely"
>   treated, protected against "unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of 
>any
>   kind," and were entitled to "respect for their persons and their 
>honour."
>
>   The Kandahar interrogators reached the following rule of thumb, reports
>   Mackey: if a type of behavior toward a prisoner was no worse than the 
>way
>   the army treated its own members, it could not be considered torture or 
>a
>   violation of the conventions. Thus, questioning a detainee past his 
>bedtime
>   was lawful as long as his interrogator stayed up with him. If the
>   interrogator was missing exactly the same amount of sleep as the
>   detainee-and no tag-teaming of interrogators would be allowed, the 
>soldiers
>   decided-then sleep deprivation could not be deemed torture. In fact,
>   interrogators were routinely sleep-deprived, catnapping maybe one or two
>   hours a night, even as the detainees were getting long beauty sleeps.
>   Likewise, if a boot-camp drill sergeant can make a recruit kneel with 
>his
>   arms stretched out in front without violating the Convention Against
>   Torture, an interrogator can use that tool against a recalcitrant terror
>   suspect.
>
>   Did the stress techniques work? Yes. "The harsher methods we used . . . 
>the
>   better information we got and the sooner we got it," writes Mackey, who
>   emphasizes that the methods never contravened the conventions or crossed
>   over into torture.
>
>   Stress broke a young bomb maker, for instance. Six months into the war,
>   special forces brought a young Afghan to the Kandahar facility, the 
>likely
>   accomplice of a Taliban explosives expert who had been blowing up aid
>   workers. Joe Martin got the assignment.
>
>   "Who's your friend the Americans are looking for?" the interrogation 
>began.
>
>   "I don't know."
>
>   "You think this is a joke? What do you think I'll do?"
>
>   "Torture me."
>
>   So now I understand his fear, Martin recollects.
>
>   The interrogation continued: "You'll stand here until you tell me your
>friend."
>
>   "No, sir, he's not my friend."
>
>   Martin picked up a book and started reading. Several hours later, the 
>young
>   Taliban was losing his balance and was clearly terrified. Moreover, he's
>   got two "big hillbilly guards staring at him who want to kill him," the
>   interrogator recalls.
>
>   "You think THIS is bad?!" the questioning starts up again.
>
>   "No, sir."
>
>   The prisoner starts to fall; the guards stand him back up. If he falls
>   again, and can't get back up, Martin can do nothing further. "I have no
>   rack," he says matter-of-factly. The interrogator's power is an 
>illusion;
>   if a detainee refuses to obey a stress order, an American interrogator 
>has
>   no recourse.
>
>   Martin risks a final display of his imaginary authority. "I get in his
>   face, 'What do you think I will do next?' " he barks. In the captive's
>   mind, days have passed, and he has no idea what awaits him. He discloses
>   where he planted bombs on a road and where to find his associate. "The
>   price?" Martin asks. "I made a man stand up. Is this unlawful coercion?"
>
>   Under a strict reading of the Geneva protections for prisoners of war,
>   probably: the army forbids interrogators from even touching lawful
>   combatants. But there is a huge gray area between the gold standard of 
>POW
>   treatment reserved for honorable opponents and torture, which consists 
>of
>   the intentional infliction of severe physical and mental pain. None of 
>the
>   stress techniques that the military has used in the war on terror comes
>   remotely close to torture, despite the hysterical charges of 
>administration
>   critics. (The CIA's behavior remains a black box.) To declare 
>non-torturous
>   stress off-limits for an enemy who plays by no rules and accords no 
>respect
>   to Western prisoners is folly.
>
>   The soldiers used stress techniques to reinforce the traditional
>   psychological approaches. Jeff (a pseudonym), an interrogator in
>   Afghanistan, had been assigned a cocky English Muslim, who justified the
>   9/11 attacks because women had been working in the World Trade Center. 
>The
>   British citizen deflected all further questioning. Jeff questioned him 
>for
>   a day and a half, without letting him sleep and playing on his religious
>   loyalties. "I broke him on his belief in Islam," Jeff recounts. "He
>   realized he had messed up, because his Muslim brothers and sisters were
>   also in the building." The Brit broke down and cried, then disclosed the
>   mission that al-Qaida had put him on before capture. But once the 
>prisoner
>   was allowed to sleep for six hours, he again "clammed up."
>
>   Halfway across the globe, an identical debate had broken out, among
>   interrogators who were encountering the same obstacles as the 
>Afghanistan
>   intelligence team. The U.S. base at Guantanamo was supposed to be 
>getting
>   the Afghanistan war's worst of the worst: the al-Qaida Arabs and their 
>high
>   Taliban allies.
>
>   Usama bin Ladin's driver and bodyguard were there, along with explosives
>   experts, al-Qaida financiers and recruiters, would-be suicide recruits, 
>and
>   the architects of numerous attacks on civilian targets. They knew about
>   al-Qaida's leadership structure, its communication methods, and its 
>plans
>   to attack the U.S. And they weren't talking. "They'd laugh at you; 
>'You've
>   asked me this before,' they'd say contemptuously," reports Major General
>   Michael Dunlavey, a former Guantanamo commanding officer. "Their 
>resistance
>   was tenacious. They'd already had 90 days in Afghanistan to get their 
>cover
>   stories together and to plan with their compatriots."
>
>   Even more than Afghanistan, Guantanamo dissipated any uncertainty the
>   detainees might have had about the consequences of noncooperation.
>   Consistent with the president's call for humane treatment, prisoners
>   received expert medical care, three culturally appropriate meals each 
>day,
>   and daily opportunities for prayer, showers, and exercise. They had mail
>   privileges and reading materials. Their biggest annoyance was boredom,
>   recalls one interrogator. Many prisoners disliked the move from Camp 
>X-Ray,
>   the first facility used at the base, to the more commodious Camp Delta,
>   because it curtailed their opportunities for homosexual sex, says an
>   intelligence analyst. The captives protested every perceived 
>infringement
>   of their rights but, as in Afghanistan, ignored any reciprocal 
>obligation.
>   They hurled excrement and urine at guards, used their blankets as 
>garrotes,
>   and created additional weapons out of anything they could get their 
>hands
>   on-including a sink wrenched off a wall. Guards who responded to the
>   attacks-with pepper spray or a water hose, say-got punished and, in one
>   case, court-martialed.
>
>   Gitmo personnel disagreed sharply over what tools interrogators could
>   legally use. The FBI took the most conservative position. When a bureau
>   agent questioning Mohamedou Ould Slahi-a Mauritanian al-Qaida operative 
>who
>   had recruited two of the 9/11 pilots-was getting nothing of value, an 
>army
>   interrogator suggested, "Why don't you mention to him that conspiracy is 
>a
>   capital offense?" "That would be a violation of the Convention Against
>   Torture," shot back the agent-on the theory that any covert threat 
>inflicts
>   "severe mental pain." Never mind that district attorneys and police
>   detectives routinely invoke the possibility of harsh criminal penalties 
>to
>   get criminals to confess. Federal prosecutors in New York have even been
>   known to remind suspects that they are more likely to keep their teeth 
>and
>   not end up as sex slaves by pleading to a federal offense, thus avoiding
>   New York City's Rikers Island jail. Using such a method against an 
>al-Qaida
>   jihadist, by contrast, would be branded a serious humanitarian breach.
>
>   Top military commanders often matched the FBI's restraint, however. "It 
>was
>   ridiculous the things we couldn't do," recalls an army interrogator. 
>"One
>   guy said he would talk if he could see the ocean. It wasn't approved,
>   because it would be a change of scenery"-a privilege that discriminated 
>in
>   favor of a cooperating detainee, as opposed to being available to all,
>   regardless of their behavior.
>
>   Frustration with prisoner stonewalling reached a head with Mohamed
>   al-Kahtani, a Saudi who had been fighting with Usama bin Ladin's 
>bodyguards
>   in Afghanistan in December 2001. By July 2002, analysts had figured out
>   that Kahtani was the missing 20th hijacker. He had flown into Orlando
>   International Airport from Dubai on August 4, 2001, but a sharp-eyed
>   customs agent had denied him entry. Waiting for him at the other side of
>   the gate was Mohamed Atta.
>
>   Kahtani's resistance strategies were flawless. Around the first 
>anniversary
>   of 9/11, urgency to get information on al-Qaida grew. Finally, army
>   officials at Guantanamo prepared a legal analysis of their interrogation
>   options and requested permission from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld 
>to
>   use various stress techniques on Kahtani. Their memo, sent up the
>   bureaucratic chain on October 11, 2002, triggered a fierce six-month
>   struggle in Washington among military lawyers, administration officials,
>   and Pentagon chiefs about interrogation in the war on terror.
>
>   To read the techniques requested is to understand how restrained the
>   military has been in its approach to terror detainees-and how utterly 
>false
>   the torture narrative has been. Here's what the interrogators assumed 
>they
>   could not do without clearance from the secretary of defense: yell at
>   detainees (though never in their ears), use deception (such as posing as
>   Saudi intelligence agents), and put detainees on MREs (meals ready to
>   eat-vacuum-sealed food pouches eaten by millions of soldiers, as well as
>   vacationing backpackers) instead of hot rations. The interrogators 
>promised
>   that this dangerous dietary measure would be used only in extremis, 
>pending
>   local approval and special training.
>
>   The most controversial technique approved was "mild, non-injurious 
>physical
>   contact such as grabbing, poking in the chest with the finger, and light
>   pushing," to be reserved only for a "very small percentage of the most
>   uncooperative detainees" believed to possess critical intelligence. A
>   detainee could be poked only after review by Gitmo's commanding general 
>of
>   intelligence and the commander of the U.S. Southern Command in Miami, 
>and
>   only pursuant to "careful coordination" and monitoring.
>
>   None of this remotely approaches torture or cruel or degrading 
>treatment.
>   Nevertheless, fanatically cautious Pentagon lawyers revolted, claiming 
>that
>   the methods approved for Kahtani violated international law.
>   Uncharacteristically irresolute, Rumsfeld rescinded the Guantanamo
>   techniques in January 2003.
>
>   Kahtani's interrogation hung fire for three months, while a Washington
>   committee, with representatives from the undersecretary of defense, the
>   Defense Intelligence Agency, the air force, army, navy, and marine 
>corps,
>   and attorneys from every branch of the military, considered how to 
>approach
>   the 20th hijacker.
>
>   The outcome of this massive deliberation was more restrictive than the
>   Geneva conventions themselves, even though they were to apply only to
>   unlawful combatants, not conventional prisoners of war, and only to 
>those
>   held at Guantanamo Bay. It is worth scrutinizing the final 24 techniques
>   Rumsfeld approved for terrorists at Gitmo in April 2003, since these are
>   the techniques that the media presents as the source of "torture" at Abu
>   Ghraib. The torture narrative holds that illegal methods used at 
>Guantanamo
>   migrated to Iraq and resulted in the abuse of prisoners there.
>
>   So what were these cruel and degrading practices? For one, providing a
>   detainee an incentive for cooperation-such as a cigarette or, especially
>   favored in Cuba, a McDonald's Filet-O-Fish sandwich or a Twinkie unless
>   specifically approved by the secretary of defense. In other words, if an
>   interrogator had learned that Usama bin Ladin's accountant loved Cadbury
>   chocolate, and intended to enter the interrogation booth armed with a 
>Dairy
>   Milk Wafer to extract the name of a Saudi financier, he needed to
>   "specifically determine that military necessity requires" the use of the
>   Dairy Milk Wafer and send an alert to Secretary Rumsfeld that chocolate 
>was
>   to be deployed against an al-Qaida operative.
>
>   Similar restrictions-a specific finding of military necessity and notice 
>to
>   Rumsfeld-applied to other tried-and-true army psychological techniques.
>   These included "Pride and Ego Down"-attacking a detainee's pride to goad
>   him into revealing critical information-as well as "Mutt and Jeff," the
>   classic good cop-bad cop routine of countless police shows. Isolating a
>   detainee from other prisoners to prevent collaboration and to increase 
>his
>   need to talk required not just notice and a finding of military 
>necessity
>   but "detailed implementation instructions [and] medical and 
>psychological
>   review."
>
>   The only non-conventional "stress" techniques on the final Guantanamo 
>list
>   are such innocuous interventions as adjusting the temperature or
>   introducing an unpleasant smell into the interrogation room, but only if
>   the interrogator is present at all times; reversing a detainee's sleep
>   cycles from night to day (call this the "Flying to Hong Kong" approach);
>   and convincing a detainee that his interrogator is not from the U.S.
>
>   Note that none of the treatments shown in the Abu Ghraib photos, such as
>   nudity or the use of dogs, was included in the techniques certified for 
>the
>   unlawful combatants held in Cuba. And those mild techniques that were
>   certified could only be used with extensive bureaucratic oversight and
>   medical monitoring to ensure "humane," "safe," and "lawful" application.
>
>   After Rumsfeld cleared the 24 methods, interrogators approached Kahtani
>   once again. They relied almost exclusively on isolation and lengthy
>   interrogations. They also used some "psy-ops" (psychological 
>operations).
>   Ten or so interrogators would gather and sing the Rolling Stones' "Time 
>Is
>   on My Side" outside Kahtani's cell. Sometimes they would play a 
>recording
>   of "Enter Sandman" by the heavy-metal group Metallica, which brought
>   Kahtani to tears, because he thought (not implausibly) he was hearing 
>the
>   sound of Satan.
>
>   Finally, at 4 am-after an 18-hour, occasionally loud, interrogation, 
>during
>   which Kahtani head-butted his interrogators-he started giving up
>   information, convinced that he was being sold out by his buddies. The
>   entire process had been conducted under the watchful eyes of a medic, a
>   psychiatrist, and lawyers, to make sure that no harm was done. Kahtani
>   provided detailed information on his meetings with Usama bin Ladin, on 
>Jose
>   Padilla and Richard Reid, and on Adnan El Shukrijumah, one of the FBI's
>   most wanted terrorists, believed to be wandering between South and North
>   America.
>
>   Since then, according to Pentagon officials, none of the non-traditional
>   techniques approved for Kahtani has been used on anyone else at 
>Guantanamo
>   Bay.
>
>   The final strand in the "torture narrative" is the least grounded in 
>actual
>   practice, but it has had the most distorting effect on the public 
>debate.
>   In the summer of 2002, the CIA sought legal advice about permissible
>   interrogation techniques for the recently apprehended Abu Zubaydah, 
>Usama
>   bin Ladin's chief recruiter in the 1990s. The Palestinian Zubaydah had
>   already been sentenced to death in absentia in Jordan for an abortive 
>plot
>   to bomb hotels there during the millennium celebration; he had arranged 
>to
>   obliterate the Los Angeles airport on the same night. The CIA wanted to 
>use
>   techniques on Zubaydah that the military uses on marines and other elite
>   fighters in Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape (SERE) school, which teaches 
>how
>   to withstand torture and other pressures to collaborate. The techniques 
>are
>   classified, but none allegedly involves physical contact. (Later, the 
>CIA
>   is said to have used "water-boarding"-temporarily submerging a detainee 
>in
>   water to induce the sensation of drowning-on Khalid Sheik Mohammad, the
>   mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. Water-boarding is the most extreme 
>method
>   the CIA has applied, according to a former Justice Department attorney, 
>and
>   arguably it crosses the line into torture.)
>
>   In response to the CIA's request, Assistant Attorney General Jay S. 
>Bybee
>   produced a hair-raising memo that understandably caused widespread 
>alarm.
>   Bybee argued that a U.S. law ratifying the 1984 Convention Against
>   Torture-covering all persons, whether lawful combatants or not-forbade 
>only
>   physical pain equivalent to that "accompanying serious physical injury,
>   such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death," or
>   mental pain that resulted in "significant psychological harm of 
>significant
>   duration, e.g., lasting for months or even years." More troubling still,
>   Bybee concluded that the torture statute and international humanitarian
>   treaties did not bind the executive branch in wartime.
>
>   This infamous August "torture memo" represents the high (or low) point 
>of
>   the Bush administration's theory of untrammeled presidential war-making
>   power. But note: it had nothing to do with the interrogation debates and
>   experiments unfolding among Pentagon interrogators in Afghanistan and 
>Cuba.
>   These soldiers struggling with al-Qaida resistance were perfectly 
>ignorant
>   about executive-branch deliberations on the outer boundaries of pain and
>   executive power (which, in any case, were prepared for and seen only by 
>the
>   CIA). "We had no idea what went on in Washington," said Chris Mackey in 
>an
>   interview. A Guantanamo lawyer involved in the Kahtani interrogation 
>echoes
>   Mackey: "We were not aware of the [Justice Department and White House]
>   debates." Interrogators in Iraq were equally unaware of the Bybee memo.
>
>   Nevertheless, when the Bybee analysis was released in June 2004, it 
>became
>   the capstone on the torture narrative, the most damning link between the
>   president's decision that the Geneva conventions didn't apply to 
>terrorists
>   and the sadistic behavior of the military guards at Abu Ghraib. Seymour
>   Hersh, the left-wing journalist who broke the Abu Ghraib story, claims 
>that
>   the Bybee torture memo was the "most suggestive document, in terms of 
>what
>   was really going on inside military prisons and detention centers."
>
>   But not only is the Bybee memo irrelevant to what happened in Abu 
>Ghraib;
>   so, too, are the previous interrogation debates in Afghanistan and Cuba.
>   The abuse at Abu Ghraib resulted from the Pentagon's failure to plan for
>   any outcome of the Iraq invasion except the most rosy scenario, its 
>failure
>   to respond to the insurgency once it broke out, and its failure to keep
>   military discipline from collapsing in the understaffed Abu Ghraib
>   facility. Interrogation rules were beside the point.
>
>   As the avalanche of prisoners taken in the street fighting overwhelmed 
>the
>   inadequate contingent of guards and officers at Abu Ghraib, order within
>   the ranks broke down as thoroughly as order in the operation of the 
>prison
>   itself. Soldiers talked back to their superiors, refused to wear 
>uniforms,
>   operated prostitution and bootlegging rings, engaged in rampant and 
>public
>   sexual misbehavior, covered the facilities with graffiti, and indulged 
>in
>   drinking binges while on duty. No one knew who was in command. The 
>guards'
>   sadistic and sexualized treatment of prisoners was just an extension of 
>the
>   chaos they were already wallowing in with no restraint from above.
>   Meanwhile, prisoners regularly rioted; insurgents shelled the compound
>   almost daily; the army sent only rotten, bug-infested rations; and the
>   Iraqi guards sold favors to the highest bidders among the insurgents.
>
>   The idea that the abuse of the Iraqi detainees resulted from the
>   president's decision on the applicability of the Geneva conventions to
>   al-Qaida and Taliban detainees is absurd on several grounds. Everyone in
>   the military chain of command emphasized repeatedly that the Iraq 
>conflict
>   would be governed by the conventions in their entirety. The 
>interrogation
>   rules that local officers developed for Iraq explicitly stated that they
>   were promulgated under Geneva authority, and that the conventions 
>applied.
>   Moreover, almost all the behavior shown in the photographs occurred in 
>the
>   dead of night among military police, wholly separate from 
>interrogations.
>   Most abuse victims were not even scheduled to be interrogated, because 
>they
>   were of no intelligence value. Finally, except for the presence of dogs,
>   none of the behavior shown in the photos was included in the 
>interrogation
>   rules promulgated in Iraq. Mandated masturbation, dog leashes, assault, 
>and
>   stacking naked prisoners in pyramids-none of these depredations was an
>   approved (or even contemplated) interrogation practice, and no 
>interrogator
>   ordered the military guards to engage in them.
>
>   It is the case that intelligence officers in Iraq and Afghanistan were
>   making use of nudity and phobias about dogs at the time. Nudity was not
>   officially sanctioned, and the official rule about dogs only allowed 
>their
>   "presence" in the interrogation booth, not their being sicced on naked
>   detainees. The argument that such techniques contributed to a
>   dehumanization of the detainees, which in turn led to their abuse, is 
>not
>   wholly implausible. Whether or not those two particular stressors are 
>worth
>   defending (and many interrogators say they are not), their abuse should 
>not
>   discredit the validity of other stress techniques that the military was
>   cautiously experimenting with in the months before Abu Ghraib.
>
>   That experiment is over. Reeling under the PR disaster of Abu Ghraib, 
>the
>   Pentagon shut down every stress technique but one-isolation-and that can 
>be
>   used only after extensive review. An interrogator who so much as 
>requests
>   permission to question a detainee into the night could be putting his
>   career in jeopardy. Even the traditional army psychological approaches 
>have
>   fallen under a deep cloud of suspicion: deflating a detainee's ego,
>   aggressive but non-physical histrionics, and good cop-bad cop have been
>   banished along with sleep deprivation.
>
>   Timidity among officers prevents the energetic application of those
>   techniques that remain. Interrogation plans have to be triple-checked 
>all
>   the way up through the Pentagon by officers who have never conducted an
>   interrogation in their lives.
>
>   In losing these techniques, interrogators have lost the ability to 
>create
>   the uncertainty vital to getting terrorist information. Since the Abu
>   Ghraib scandal broke, the military has made public nearly every record 
>of
>   its internal interrogation debates, providing al-Qaida analysts with an
>   encyclopedia of U.S. methods and constraints. Those constraints make
>   perfectly clear that the interrogator is not in control. "In reassuring 
>the
>   world about our limits, we have destroyed our biggest asset: detainee
>   doubt," a senior Pentagon intelligence official laments.
>
>   Soldiers on the ground are noticing the consequences. "The Iraqis 
>already
>   know the game. They know how to play us," a marine chief warrant officer
>   told the Wall Street Journal in August. "Unless you catch the Iraqis in 
>the
>   act, it is very hard to pin anything on anyone . . . . We can't even use
>   basic police interrogation tactics."
>
>   And now the rights advocates, energized by the Abu Ghraib debacle, are
>   making one final push to halt interrogation altogether. In the New York
>   Times's words, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is 
>now
>   condemning the thoroughly emasculated interrogation process at 
>Guantanamo
>   Bay as a "system devised to break the will of the prisoners [and] make 
>them
>   wholly dependent on their interrogators." In other words, the ICRC 
>opposes
>   traditional interrogation itself, since all interrogation is designed to
>   "break the will of prisoners" and make them feel "dependent on their
>   interrogators." But according to an ICRC report leaked to the Times, 
>"the
>   construction of such a system, whose stated purpose is the production of
>   intelligence, cannot be considered other than an intentional system of
>   cruel, unusual and degrading treatment and a form of torture."
>
>   But contrary to the fantasies of the international-law and human rights
>   lobbies, a world in which all interrogation is illegal and rights are
>   indiscriminately doled out is not a safer or more just world. Were the
>   United States to announce that terrorists would be protected under the
>   Geneva conventions, it would destroy any incentive our ruthless enemies
>   have to comply with the laws of war. The Washington Post and the New 
>York
>   Times understood that truth in 1987, when they supported President 
>Ronald
>   Reagan's rejection of an amendment to the Geneva conventions that would
>   have granted lawful-combatant status to terrorists. Today, however, 
>those
>   same opinion makers have done an about-face, though the most striking
>   feature of their denunciations of the Bush administration's Geneva
>   decisions is their failure to offer any explanation for how al-Qaida 
>could
>   possibly be covered under the plain meaning of the text.
>
>   The Pentagon is revising the rules for interrogation. If we hope to 
>succeed
>   in the war on terror, the final product must allow interrogators to use
>   stress techniques against unlawful combatants. Chris Mackey testifies to
>   how "ineffective schoolhouse methods were in getting prisoners to talk." 
>He
>   warns that his team "failed to break prisoners who I have no doubt knew 
>of
>   terrorist plots or at least terrorist cells that may one day do us harm.
>   Perhaps they would have talked if faced with harsher methods."
>
>   The stress techniques that the military has used to date are not 
>torture;
>   the advocates can only be posturing in calling them such. On its 
>website,
>   Human Rights Watch lists the effects of real torture: "from pain and
>   swelling to broken bones, irreparable neurological damage, and chronic
>   painful musculoskeletal problems . . . [to] long-term depression,
>   post-traumatic stress disorder, marked sleep disturbances and 
>alterations
>   in self-perceptions, not to mention feelings of powerlessness, of fear,
>   guilt and shame." Though none of the techniques that Pentagon 
>interrogators
>   have employed against al-Qaida comes anywhere close to risking such
>   effects, Human Rights Watch nevertheless follows up its list with an
>   accusation of torture against the Bush administration.
>
>   The pressure on the Pentagon to outlaw stress techniques won't abate, as
>   the American Civil Liberties Union continues to release formerly 
>classified
>   government documents obtained in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit
>   concerning detention and interrogation. As of late December, the memos 
>have
>   merely confirmed that the FBI opposes stress methods, though the press
>   breathlessly portrays them as confirming "torture."
>
>   Human Rights Watch, the ICRC, Amnesty International, and the other
>   self-professed guardians of humanitarianism need to come back to 
>earth-to
>   the real world in which torture means what the Nazis and the Japanese 
>did
>   in their concentration and POW camps in World War II; the world in which
>   evil regimes, like those we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq, don't follow
>   the Miranda rules or the Convention Against Torture but instead gas
>   children, bury people alive, set wild animals on soccer players who 
>lose,
>   and hang adulterous women by truckloads before stadiums full of 
>spectators;
>   the world in which barbarous death cults behead female aid workers, bomb
>   crowded railway stations, and fly planes filled with hundreds of 
>innocent
>   passengers into buildings filled with thousands of innocent and
>   unsuspecting civilians. By definition, our terrorist enemies and their
>   state supporters have declared themselves enemies of the civilized order
>   and its humanitarian rules. In fighting them, we must of course hold
>   ourselves to our own high moral standards without, however, succumbing 
>to
>   the utopian illusion that we can prevail while immaculately observing 
>every
>   precept of the Sermon on the Mount. It is the necessity of this fallen
>   world that we must oppose evil with force; and we must use all the 
>lawful
>   means necessary to ensure that good, rather than evil, triumphs.
>
>
>   --
>   -----------------
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>   The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
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>   [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
>   experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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>--- end forwarded text
>
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>The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
>44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
>"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
>[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
>experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:52:21 -0600
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Subject: Confirming Random numbers?
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Message-ID: <872211.67411.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,

--- Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to verify that a remote random number
> generator is actually 
> random?

Are you asking if the remote random number is
authentic? That would make it similar to a key
exchange over an insecure channel and asking: are the
keys exchanged authentic & untampered?
   In classical cryptography, there is no way of doing
a secure key exchange without a pre-shared secret.

 
> 
> Actually, this may not be impossible, particularly
> with TOR, but rather 
> than take a stab in the dark I'm interested in
> seeing what's already known 
> about this.


 Tor uses onion routing but eventually you will need a
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From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 05:48:27 -0500
Subject: Confirming Random numbers?
In-Reply-To: <E1HIDXA-000742-00@pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F1925C8D22CBA23BEB2B0859B8A0@phx.gbl>

OK, I -think- this is obvious, but I'm not 100% certain.

Is it possible to verify that a remote random number generator is actually 
random?

Consider this scenario:
A group wishes to meet at a location chosen randomly from a list of possible 
locations.

They don't want anyone, in the group or out, to know for certain where the 
meeting will be held.

Now of course they could simply gather together in one location and roll a 
die (for instance) and go to that location.

BUt what if they could roll the die on the internet, say. Any announcement r 
ostensible video could be faked. BUT, are there protocols that allow remote 
viewers/users of the random process to be sure (or reasonably sure) that a 
remote process is actually random?

Actually, this may not be imppossible, particularly with TOR, but rather 
than take a stab in the dark I'm interested in seeing what's already known 
about this.

Not, of course, that I'm planning any meetings in tthe near future. Call it 
purely an academic interest.

-TD

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From hal.finney at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 09:01:21 2007
From: hal.finney at gmail.com (Hal Finney)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:01:21 -0800
Subject: Confirming Random numbers?
In-Reply-To: <BAY116-F1925C8D22CBA23BEB2B0859B8A0@phx.gbl>
References: <E1HIDXA-000742-00@pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net> 	
  <BAY116-F1925C8D22CBA23BEB2B0859B8A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <da7b3ce30702190901l1abc469bj6074755bc2872272@mail.gmail.com>

Everybody commits to a value (e.g. broadcasts the SHA1 hash of a large
random value); everybody reveals their values (and checks that they
match everybody else's commitments); now add all the values modulo
whatever your number of choices is, and you have a shared verifiably
random number.

Now, there is one way to cheat this, which is to copy someone else's
commitment (even without yet knowing their value) and then copy their
value when it is revealed, thereby possibly forcing the choice to be
even or whatever. So everyone should also check that all the
commitments are different.

Hal




From shemconinit at blythfestival.com  Mon Feb 19 00:46:22 2007
From: shemconinit at blythfestival.com (Chong Holmes)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:46:22 +0100
Subject: Let's Keep In Touch
Message-ID: <502f01c7540a$d0909190$03a64a13@shemconinit>




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From coderman at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 10:27:59 2007
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:27:59 -0800
Subject: Confirming Random numbers?
In-Reply-To: <BAY116-F1925C8D22CBA23BEB2B0859B8A0@phx.gbl>
References: <E1HIDXA-000742-00@pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net> 	
  <BAY116-F1925C8D22CBA23BEB2B0859B8A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4ef5fec60702191027j95b8744m4eaddf0de80909a8@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/19/07, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> Is it possible to verify that a remote random number generator is actually
> random?

remote or not doesn't add much to the difficulty of the question: "is
it _truly_ random?"

lots of statistical tests to confirm that a given distribution of bits
IS NOT, but nothing to prove IT IS.  and by IS NOT, i mean
sufficiently improbable to be random, thus considered not random.
even a true hw rng could throw all bits set given enough chances.

it's easy for a remote peer to fool such statistical tests: check the
output of AES-CBC keyed with all zeros.  there is almost no actual
entropy (in the keys) yet the output appears to be random, and you
would (in theory) not be able to distinguish without the key used.

if you look at the various hw rng daemons they often to some FIPS
sanity checks on the input but leave it at that.  the idea is that
failed hardware will start producing FIPS failures and can be
detected.




From copilotdueaf at alligatorsql.com  Sun Feb 18 17:47:34 2007
From: copilotdueaf at alligatorsql.com (Karleen)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:47:34 +1000
Subject: Over Yet Or No
Message-ID: <46ab01c7541b$bebc2540$fd26b62d@copilotdueaf>




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From lslwongyjhy at brasiltelecom.net.br  Mon Feb 19 10:38:36 2007
From: lslwongyjhy at brasiltelecom.net.br (Wendolyn)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:38:36 -0500
Subject: Tell Me..
Message-ID: <923c01c7542b$419047d0$f4b804d4@lslwongyjhy>




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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:52:44 -0060
Subject: U can save your money
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From rah at shipwright.com  Mon Feb 19 13:06:10 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:06:10 -0500
Subject: [Clips] Crypto Expert: Moore's Law fuels app obesity epidemic
Message-ID: <p062408bbc1ffc1bf907d@[68.167.57.91]>

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  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:53:34 -0500
  To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] Crypto Expert: Moore's Law fuels app obesity epidemic
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com


<http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/07/02/19/08NMmain_1.html>

  InfoWorld


  Crypto Expert: Moore's Law fuels app obesity epidemic

  Chip advances fuel "supersized," insecure applications


  By Paul F. Roberts

  February 19, 2007

  Cryptography is no mean field. After all, the science was invented by
  humans for the purpose of concealing information from other humans. That
  means that the best cryptographers have to be blindingly smart, with a
  mastery of mathematics but also a firm grasp of human psychology and, these
  days, fields such as computer science.

  Paul Kocher, president and chief scientist of Cryptography Research is a
  good example of the breed. A cryptography superstar, Kocher is credited
  with helping discover two different techniques for defeating certain kinds
  of encryption algorithms. He's also a corporate executive who's devoted his
  life to helping create cryptographic applications that can be used in the
  real world.

  Kocher sat down to talk security with InfoWorld Senior Editor Paul F.
  Roberts at the recent RSA Security Conference in San Francisco. Despite
  making his name by poking holes in encryption, Kocher says that crypto
  hacks are the last thing enterprise IT should worry about. A much bigger
  problem is wrestling with the security implications of application and OS
  "supersizing" that is being fueled by a new generation of powerful
  processors.

  InfoWorld: Tell us a bit about the history of Cryptography Research and how
  the security environment has changed since you first started the company.

  Paul Kocher: I started Cryptography Research 11 years ago. When I first
  started working on these problems, we were still at the point where you
  could understand how systems work. This was back in the DOS days. You had
  640K of memory and could run one program at a time. These days, I have no
  clue what's running on my laptop. And you probably have no idea, either.
  There's too much software there. Moore's Law has created obesity in
  systems, so when you're trying to come up with ways to keep things secret
  despite this, it's an enormous problem.

  IW: Cryptography is often followed as a kind of arms race, with people who
  want to make stronger encryption pitted against those who want to break it.
  Is that the wrong discussion to have?

  PK: There are a few pieces that are strong. The math behind modern
  algorithms is incredibly robust. That's the thing most people focus on: "We
  have this brick and it's really strong, so if we have a system that
  includes this brick, it will also be really strong." But implementations
  are where the problems lie. People tend to get enamored with the
  cryptography and the algorithms and not pay attention to other things that
  end up failing.

  IW: You talk about the "brittleness" in much of application security. If
  you were an enterprise shop with internally developed applications, what
  steps would you take to reduce that brittleness?

  PK: One thing I'd do is just step back and have the engineers think about
  how they would attack the system. It's a different mind set than how to
  build features. You start looking for that thread that lets you in, and you
  learn something useful. Also, try to build your application so that it
  doesn't need sophisticated security capabilities. If you've got an
  application on the Web where it's exposed to outside attacks, just leave
  the feature out that's going to create the risks.

  IW: What about mobile devices? Microsoft this week announced a new version
  of Windows Mobile. Are platform companies going to repeat the same mistakes
  they made on the desktop?

  PK: I think Microsoft is certainly following the path it followed with the
  PC, though the security problems haven't caught up yet because mobile
  devices aren't worth hacking yet.

  There's an inflection point that people almost never recognize until they
  hit it. It's the point at which a system becomes worth attacking. You hit
  the threshold when someone figures out that they could make more money
  attacking your system than by doing whatever it is they're doing and after
  factoring in the risks. At that point, the dynamic changes completely.

  As you take mobile devices and put more functions on them, someone will
  wake up and realize that they can make $15 million hacking them, as opposed
  to the $80,000 to do their current job. We just don't know whether that
  will be this year or 10 years from now.


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[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:04:51 -0800
Subject: inverted virtue
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i never knew Eric O'Neill got a taste of the craft and wisely
departed; breach was an entertaining reminder of the "most criminal
worldwide institution".  perhaps, like the proverbial frog in a pot,
the lucre of lies and power is subtle and sweet, betraying the
bitterness beneath gradients of incremental compromise.

"""
A4 writes:

    Cryptome: There are no ex-spies or ex-spy agents: All remain
forever active and lie about being ex as they lie about what they did
and continue to do. There is no exit from spyworld only variations of
disguise.

I read this in cryptome today and it makes me puzzled: did somebody
piss you off? Or is this the a nugget of distilled wisdom from
somebody else?

__________

Cryptome: Spies and ex-spies are required by terms of employment and
training to lie, deceive, betray, commit crimes, and keep it secret.
If they cannot convincingly lie and break laws without getting caught
under all kinds of conditions as taught and tested in the US at the
Farm, they will not be hired. They lie to families and friends, to
everybody not in spyworld and often in spyworld too as a test and as a
duty. They are experts at appearing to be what they are not.

It is a common spy tradecraft to claim to be an ex-spy or ex-agent,
aggrieved, ready to spill secrets, their managers feigning offense,
blessing the spew by invoking national security threats, pretending
the miscreant is a rogue.

No spy or ex-spy ever tells the full story, only offers enticing tales
that mesmerize the gullible and attempts to outwit accomplished
doubters, whether other spies, agents, journalists, oversight
committees, investigative commissions or the public. None are ever
free to tell all they know, and face severe penalties if not death for
telling more selected secrets than allowed to lend credence to their
deceptions. So come the orchestrated dissenters, scholars, novelists,
confessors, professors, exposers of perfidy and anonymous leakers,
dispensing plausible disinformation purpose-made.

That's the deal spies and agents sign on to and cannot ever escape,
and are told so at the time of engagement, not that many want out of
the privileges such as that provided by the bountifully bloated US
Intelligence Community Management Fund which bribes sealed lips, most
assuredly for retirees and exes continuing to work their undercover
stations.

Anybody who claims to be a spy or ex-spy is a person unable to tell
the truth, and gets paid and pensioned for well-crafted accounts of
what is not, what to fear, what to doubt, who to distrust. Analyze the
Association For Intelligence Officers (AFIO), http://www.afio.org and
numerous similar organizations around the planet for what they tell
and what they conceal in open deception.

The pervasive lies of spyworld -- officers, agents, contractors and
overseers -- undermine and corrupt culture, language, trust, law and
government. It is the most criminal worldwide institution of the time.
"""

http://www.cryptome.org/
and
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/dcid17.htm




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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:59:11 -0060
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From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:03:33 -0500
Subject: Confirming Random numbers?
In-Reply-To: <da7b3ce30702190901l1abc469bj6074755bc2872272@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F387372349F3B0E3D49268D9B890@phx.gbl>

Oh yeah...that's nice and simple. 'Obvious', I guess.
it has the nice feature too of being relatively subversion-proof, insofar as 
someone (or even many people) penetrating the group can not really influence 
the outcome. Meanwhile, there's no real external routine to trust (ie, you 
can check what everyone else promised and what their secret value was and 
what the modulo-math should be). So it's all verifiable without a 'higher 
authority'.
Nice.

Do such applications actually exist?

-TD


>From: "Hal Finney" <hal.finney at gmail.com>
>To: "Tyler Durden" <camera_lumina at hotmail.com>
>CC: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Re: Confirming Random numbers?
>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:01:21 -0800
>
>Everybody commits to a value (e.g. broadcasts the SHA1 hash of a large
>random value); everybody reveals their values (and checks that they
>match everybody else's commitments); now add all the values modulo
>whatever your number of choices is, and you have a shared verifiably
>random number.
>
>Now, there is one way to cheat this, which is to copy someone else's
>commitment (even without yet knowing their value) and then copy their
>value when it is revealed, thereby possibly forcing the choice to be
>even or whatever. So everyone should also check that all the
>commitments are different.
>
>Hal

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From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Feb 20 07:57:58 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:57:58 -0500
Subject: [Clips] Europe's Plan to Track Phone and Net Use
Message-ID: <mailman.1942.1576007738.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/20/business/worldbusiness/20privacy.html?th=&emc=th&pagewanted=print>

The New York Times





February 20, 2007

Europe's Plan to Track Phone and Net Use

By VICTORIA SHANNON

PARIS, Feb. 19 - European governments are preparing legislation to require
companies to keep detailed data about people's Internet and phone use that
goes beyond what the countries will be required to do under a European
Union directive.

In Germany, a proposal from the Ministry of Justice would essentially
prohibit using false information to create an e-mail account, making the
standard Internet practice of creating accounts with pseudonyms illegal.

A draft law in the Netherlands would likewise go further than the European
Union requires, in this case by requiring phone companies to save records
of a caller's precise location during an entire mobile phone conversation.

Even now, Internet service providers in Europe divulge customer information
- which they normally keep on hand for about three months, for billing
purposes - to police officials with legally valid orders on a routine
basis, said Peter Fleischer, the Paris-based European privacy counsel for
Google. The data concerns how the communication was sent and by whom but
not its content.

But law enforcement officials argued after the terrorist bombings in Spain
and Britain that they needed better and longer data storage from companies
handling Europe's communications networks.

European Union countries have until 2009 to put the Data Retention
Directive into law, so the proposals seen now are early interpretations.
But some people involved in the issue are concerned about a shift in policy
in Europe, which has long been a defender of individuals' privacy rights.

Under the proposals in Germany, consumers theoretically could not create
fictitious e-mail accounts, to disguise themselves in online auctions, for
example. Nor could they use a made-up account to use for receiving
commercial junk mail. While e-mail aliases would not be banned, they would
have to be traceable to the actual account holder.

"This is an incredibly bad thing in terms of privacy, since people have
grown up with the idea that you ought to be able to have an anonymous
e-mail account," Mr. Fleischer said. "Moreover, it's totally unenforceable
and would never work."

Mr. Fleischer said the law would have to require some kind of identity
verification, "like you may have to register for an e-mail address with
your national ID card."

Jvrg Hladjk, a privacy lawyer at Hunton & Williams, a Brussels law firm,
said that might also mean that it could become illegal to pay cash for
prepaid cellphone accounts. The billing information for regular cellphone
subscriptions is already verified.

Mr. Fleischer said: "It's ironic, because Germany is one of the countries
in Europe where people talk the most about privacy. In terms of
consciousness of privacy in general, I would put Germany at the extreme
end."

He said it was not clear that any European law would apply to e-mail
providers based in the United States, like Google, so anyone who needed an
unverified e-mail address - for political, commercial or philosophical
reasons - could still use Gmail, Yahoo or Hotmail addresses.

Mr. Hladjk said, "It's going to be difficult to know which law applies."
Google requires only two pieces of information to open a Gmail account - a
name and a password - and the company does not try to determine whether the
name is authentic.

In the Netherlands, the proposed extension of the law on phone company
records to all mobile location data "implies surveillance of the movement
of large amounts of innocent citizens," the Dutch Data Protection Agency
has said. The agency concluded in January that the draft disregarded
privacy protections in the European Convention on Human Rights. Similarly,
the German technology trade association Bitkom said the draft there
violated the German Constitution.

Internet and telecommunications industry associations raised objections
when the directive was being debated, but at that time their concerns were
for the length of time the data would have to be stored and how the
companies would be compensated for the cost of gathering and keeping the
information. The directive ended up leaving both decisions in the hands of
national governments, setting a range of six months to two years. The
German draft settled on six months, while in Spain the proposal is for a
year, and in the Netherlands it is 18 months.

"There are not a lot of people in Germany who support this draft entirely,"
said Christian Spahr, a spokesman for Bitkom. "But there are others who are
more critical of it than we are."

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From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Feb 20 07:59:56 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:59:56 -0500
Subject: [Clips] Flame First, Think Later: New Clues to E-Mail Misbehavior
Message-ID: <mailman.1943.1576007738.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/20/health/psychology/20essa.html?th=&emc=th&pagewanted=print>

The New York Times



February 20, 2007

ESSAY

Flame First, Think Later: New Clues to E-Mail Misbehavior

By DANIEL GOLEMAN

Jett Lucas, a 14-year-old friend, tells me the kids in his middle school
send one other a steady stream of instant messages through the day. But
there's a problem.

"Kids will say things to each other in their messages that are too
embarrassing to say in person," Jett tells me. "Then when they actually
meet up, they are too shy to bring up what they said in the message. It
makes things tense."

Jett's complaint seems to be part of a larger pattern plaguing the world of
virtual communications, a problem recognized since the earliest days of the
Internet: flaming, or sending a message that is taken as offensive,
embarrassing or downright rude.

The hallmark of the flame is precisely what Jett lamented: thoughts
expressed while sitting alone at the keyboard would be put more
diplomatically - or go unmentioned - face to face.

Flaming has a technical name, the "online disinhibition effect," which
psychologists apply to the many ways people behave with less restraint in
cyberspace.

In a 2004 article in the journal CyberPsychology & Behavior, John Suler, a
psychologist at Rider University in Lawrenceville, N.J., suggested that
several psychological factors lead to online disinhibition: the anonymity
of a Web pseudonym; invisibility to others; the time lag between sending an
e-mail message and getting feedback; the exaggerated sense of self from
being alone; and the lack of any online authority figure. Dr. Suler notes
that disinhibition can be either benign - when a shy person feels free to
open up online - or toxic, as in flaming.

The emerging field of social neuroscience, the study of what goes on in the
brains and bodies of two interacting people, offers clues into the neural
mechanics behind flaming.

This work points to a design flaw inherent in the interface between the
brain's social circuitry and the online world. In face-to-face interaction,
the brain reads a continual cascade of emotional signs and social cues,
instantaneously using them to guide our next move so that the encounter
goes well. Much of this social guidance occurs in circuitry centered on the
orbitofrontal cortex, a center for empathy. This cortex uses that social
scan to help make sure that what we do next will keep the interaction on
track.

Research by Jennifer Beer, a psychologist at the University of California,
Davis, finds that this face-to-face guidance system inhibits impulses for
actions that would upset the other person or otherwise throw the
interaction off. Neurological patients with a damaged orbitofrontal cortex
lose the ability to modulate the amygdala, a source of unruly impulses;
like small children, they commit mortifying social gaffes like kissing a
complete stranger, blithely unaware that they are doing anything untoward.

Socially artful responses emerge largely in the neural chatter between the
orbitofrontal cortex and emotional centers like the amygdala that generate
impulsivity. But the cortex needs social information - a change in tone of
voice, say - to know how to select and channel our impulses. And in e-mail
there are no channels for voice, facial expression or other cues from the
person who will receive what we say.

True, there are those cute, if somewhat lame, emoticons that cleverly
arrange punctuation marks to signify an emotion. The e-mail equivalent of a
mood ring, they surely lack the neural impact of an actual smile or frown.
Without the raised eyebrow that signals irony, say, or the tone of voice
that signals delight, the orbitofrontal cortex has little to go on. Lacking
real-time cues, we can easily misread the printed words in an e-mail
message, taking them the wrong way.

And if we are typing while agitated, the absence of information on how the
other person is responding makes the prefrontal circuitry for discretion
more likely to fail. Our emotional impulses disinhibited, we type some
infelicitous message and hit "send" before a more sober second thought
leads us to hit "discard." We flame.

Flaming can be induced in some people with alarming ease. Consider an
experiment, reported in 2002 in The Journal of Language and Social
Psychology, in which pairs of college students - strangers - were put in
separate booths to get to know each other better by exchanging messages in
a simulated online chat room.

While coming and going into the lab, the students were well behaved. But
the experimenter was stunned to see the messages many of the students sent.
About 20 percent of the e-mail conversations immediately became
outrageously lewd or simply rude.

And now, the online equivalent of road rage has joined the list of Internet
dangers. Last October, in what The Times of London described as "Britain's
first 'Web rage' attack," a 47-year-old Londoner was convicted of assault
on a man with whom he had traded insults in a chat room. He and a friend
tracked down the man and attacked him with a pickax handle and a knife.

One proposed solution to flaming is replacing typed messages with video.
The assumption is that getting a message along with its emotional nuances
might help us dampen the impulse to flame.

All this reminds me of a poster on the wall of classrooms I once visited in
New Haven public schools. The poster, part of a program in social
development that has lowered rates of violence in schools there, shows a
stoplight. It says that when students feel upset, they should remember that
the red light means to stop, calm down and think before they act. The
yellow light prompts them to weigh a range of responses, and their
consequences. The green light urges them to try the best response.

Not a bad idea. Until the day e-mail comes in video form, I may just paste
one of those stoplights next to my monitor.

Daniel Goleman is the author of "Social Intelligence: The New Science of
Human Relationships."

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From hvxtae at tiredteacher.com  Tue Feb 20 01:17:25 2007
From: hvxtae at tiredteacher.com (Gail)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:17:25 +0200
Subject: Gotta Do It
Message-ID: <a25701c754e0$b2c08f40$2f924601@hvxtae>




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From dkizziarobaig at chellum.com  Tue Feb 20 02:42:50 2007
From: dkizziarobaig at chellum.com (Janice)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:42:50 +0100
Subject: Hope This Is It
Message-ID: <836b01c754e4$3ff8dfe0$b34192d2@dkizziarobaig>




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Subject: CONTACT:FOR YOUR PRIZE YOU WON LOTTO.NL
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From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Feb 20 08:58:03 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:58:03 -0500
Subject: [Clips] Europe's Plan to Track Phone and Net Use
Message-ID: <p06240829c200d9160a54@[68.167.57.91]>

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From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Feb 20 08:58:07 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:58:07 -0500
Subject: [Clips] Flame First, Think Later: New Clues to E-Mail
  Misbehavior
Message-ID: <p06240828c200d9160a45@[68.167.57.91]>

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From checker at panix.com  Tue Feb 20 11:05:47 2007
From: checker at panix.com (Premise Checker)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:05:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [>Htech] NYT: Europe's Plan to Track Phone and Net Use
Message-ID: <mailman.1944.1576007738.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Europe's Plan to Track Phone and Net Use
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/20/business/worldbusiness/20privacy.html

By VICTORIA SHANNON

PARIS, Feb. 19 -- European governments are preparing legislation to
require companies to keep detailed data about people's Internet and
phone use that goes beyond what the countries will be required to
do under a European Union directive.

In Germany, a proposal from the Ministry of Justice would
essentially prohibit using false information to create an e-mail
account, making the standard Internet practice of creating accounts
with pseudonyms illegal.

A draft law in the Netherlands would likewise go further than the
European Union requires, in this case by requiring phone companies
to save records of a caller's precise location during an entire
mobile phone conversation.

Even now, Internet service providers in Europe divulge customer
information -- which they normally keep on hand for about three
months, for billing purposes -- to police officials with legally
valid orders on a routine basis, said Peter Fleischer, the
Paris-based European privacy counsel for Google. The data concerns
how the communication was sent and by whom but not its content.

But law enforcement officials argued after the terrorist bombings
in Spain and Britain that they needed better and longer data
storage from companies handling Europe's communications networks.

European Union countries have until 2009 to put the Data Retention
Directive into law, so the proposals seen now are early
interpretations. But some people involved in the issue are
concerned about a shift in policy in Europe, which has long been a
defender of individuals' privacy rights.

Under the proposals in Germany, consumers theoretically could not
create fictitious e-mail accounts, to disguise themselves in online
auctions, for example. Nor could they use a made-up account to use
for receiving commercial junk mail. While e-mail aliases would not
be banned, they would have to be traceable to the actual account
holder.

"This is an incredibly bad thing in terms of privacy, since people
have grown up with the idea that you ought to be able to have an
anonymous e-mail account," Mr. Fleischer said. "Moreover, it's
totally unenforceable and would never work."

Mr. Fleischer said the law would have to require some kind of
identity verification, "like you may have to register for an e-mail
address with your national ID card."

Jvrg Hladjk, a privacy lawyer at Hunton & Williams, a Brussels law
firm, said that might also mean that it could become illegal to pay
cash for prepaid cellphone accounts. The billing information for
regular cellphone subscriptions is already verified.

Mr. Fleischer said: "It's ironic, because Germany is one of the
countries in Europe where people talk the most about privacy. In
terms of consciousness of privacy in general, I would put Germany
at the extreme end."

He said it was not clear that any European law would apply to
e-mail providers based in the United States, like Google, so anyone
who needed an unverified e-mail address -- for political,
commercial or philosophical reasons -- could still use Gmail, Yahoo
or Hotmail addresses.

Mr. Hladjk said, "It's going to be difficult to know which law
applies." Google requires only two pieces of information to open a
Gmail account -- a name and a password -- and the company does not
try to determine whether the name is authentic.

In the Netherlands, the proposed extension of the law on phone
company records to all mobile location data "implies surveillance
of the movement of large amounts of innocent citizens," the Dutch
Data Protection Agency has said. The agency concluded in January
that the draft disregarded privacy protections in the European
Convention on Human Rights. Similarly, the German technology trade
association Bitkom said the draft there violated the German
Constitution.

Internet and telecommunications industry associations raised
objections when the directive was being debated, but at that time
their concerns were for the length of time the data would have to
be stored and how the companies would be compensated for the cost
of gathering and keeping the information. The directive ended up
leaving both decisions in the hands of national governments,
setting a range of six months to two years. The German draft
settled on six months, while in Spain the proposal is for a year,
and in the Netherlands it is 18 months.

"There are not a lot of people in Germany who support this draft
entirely," said Christian Spahr, a spokesman for Bitkom. "But there
are others who are more critical of it than we are."

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:34:41 +0100
Subject: Do her right every night with Viagra Soft tabs.
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From sallanief at NEFkom.net  Tue Feb 20 11:11:54 2007
From: sallanief at NEFkom.net (Nancee Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:11:54 -0200
Subject: Can't Wait For Wkend
Message-ID: <8a9001c75512$388326c0$ad29b87a@sallanief>





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From bfordham at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 14:15:49 2007
From: bfordham at gmail.com (Bryan Fordham)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:15:49 -0500
Subject: map of tor routers
Message-ID: <mailman.1945.1576007738.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


   I've taken up the task creating a map of tor routers. I have a test
   image up at [1]http://socialistsushi.com/tor.png
   So far I have a mapserver and data on tor routers in a postgis
   database, so I can produce images like the one above. Now that I've
   figured that out, I'd like some comments on how I plan to proceed.
   Basically, my idea at this point is to query a directory server once a
   day, and check for running nodes. I'll add new nodes as they appear,
   and mark ones that are no longer running. I plan to also track if they
   are stable, and an exit node.
   This way I'll be able to produce maps showing all nodes, all running
   exit nodes, and other combinations.
   Is there a better way of tracking routers?
   What else should I track?
   Other comments?
   I'm not using google maps so I can keep javascript out. I'm using UMN
   MapServer ([2]http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/) for those who are
   interested in such things. I may do a nicer UI (javascript-enabled)
   for those who aren't worried about such things.
   Thanks
   --B

References

   1. http://socialistsushi.com/tor.png
   2. http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/

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From coderman at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 17:22:19 2007
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:22:19 -0800
Subject: private credential/ecash thread on slashdot (Re: announce:
  credlib library with brands and chaum credentials)
In-Reply-To: <20070221004029.GA7331@bitchcake.off.net>
References: <20070204183433.A660C14F6BC@finney.org> 	
  <20070214233553.GA16319@bitchcake.off.net> 	
  <45D4A54B.6050207@links.org> 	
  <20070216161439.GB18411@bitchcake.off.net> 	
  <20070221004029.GA7331@bitchcake.off.net>
Message-ID: <4ef5fec60702201722s69940d55l8560b9603a90964a@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/20/07, Adam Back <adam at cypherspace.org> wrote:
> ...
> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/02/20/2158240.shtml
>
> Maybe some list readers would like to inject some crypto knowledge
> into the discussion.

there are some good replies, just need more moderation from the clue-full :)


> There is quite some underinformed speculation as critique on the
> thread...  Its interesting to see people who probably understand SSL,
> SMIME and stuff at least at a power user if not programmer level, try
> to make logical leaps about what must be wrong or limited about
> unlinkable credential schemes.  Shows the challenges faced in
> deploying this stuff.  Cant deploy what people dont understand!

indeed.  there was one insightful response to the unlinkability
aspect, and that is the inevitable venality of the credential
authorities.  perhaps i'm just overly cynical, but without a
trustworthy and secure CA the privacy assurances provided by such
credentials are fairly limited.  (and as detailed elsewhere, for most
uses the CA's won't issue to anonymous entities)

still, much better than what we've got now...

p.s. the lending protection aspect of credentials is dark comedy.
encode something into a credential that alice would never want to
share, credit card #, bank access details, etc.  lol




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From adam at cypherspace.org  Tue Feb 20 16:40:29 2007
From: adam at cypherspace.org (Adam Back)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:40:29 -0500
Subject: private credential/ecash thread on slashdot (Re: announce:
  credlib library with brands and chaum credentials)
In-Reply-To: <20070216161439.GB18411@bitchcake.off.net>
References: <20070204183433.A660C14F6BC@finney.org>
  <20070214233553.GA16319@bitchcake.off.net>
  <45D4A54B.6050207@links.org>
  <20070216161439.GB18411@bitchcake.off.net>
Message-ID: <20070221004029.GA7331@bitchcake.off.net>

Credentica (Stefan Brands ecash/credentials) U-prove library and
open source credlib library implementing the same are on slashdot:

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/02/20/2158240.shtml

Maybe some list readers would like to inject some crypto knowledge
into the discussion.  

There is quite some underinformed speculation as critique on the
thread...  Its interesting to see people who probably understand SSL,
SMIME and stuff at least at a power user if not programmer level, try
to make logical leaps about what must be wrong or limited about
unlinkable credential schemes.  Shows the challenges faced in
deploying this stuff.  Cant deploy what people dont understand!

Adam
--
http://www.cypherspace.org/credlib/

On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 11:14:39AM -0500, Adam Back wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I implemented Chaumian and Brands credentials in a credential library
> (C code, using openSSL).  I implemented some of the pre-computation
> steps.  Have not made any attempt so far to benchmark it.  But thought
> I could take this opportunity to make it public.  I did not try to
> optimize so far.  One optimization opportunity at algorithm level, is
> you dont need witness indistinguishability on a single attribute
> credential, which saves some of the computations.
> 
> 	http://www.cypherspace.org/credlib/
> 
> Ben, if you have a partial implementation of Camenisch credentials,
> you could maybe do some comparisons of that against this C
> implementation.




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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:20:55 +0100
Subject: [bfordham@gmail.com: map of tor routers]
Message-ID: <20070220222055.GG2948@leitl.org>

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From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Feb 21 08:37:22 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:37:22 -0500
Subject: [Clips] Recovery programme for email addicts
Message-ID: <p06240845c20225be0345@[68.167.57.91]>

--- begin forwarded text


  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:12:54 -0500
  To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] Recovery programme for email addicts
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com


<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml;jsessionid=L5IE4KSCFHOGDQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/02/21/nemail21.xml&site=5&page=0>

  The Telegraph


  Recovery programme for email addicts

  By Sarah Womack, Social Affairs Correspondent

  Last Updated: 2:32am GMT 21/02/2007


  Alcoholics have a 12-step programme to tackle their addiction, drug addicts
  too, and now there is one for those addicted to email.

  Forget the mantra "I am so and so and I am an alcoholic", the new programme
  will have people admitting that email is managing them rather than the
  other way round, and will help them to tackle their obsession for reading
  or replying to emails on holiday, in the car and even in the bathroom.

  A life coach for business executives in America devised the plan for cases
  such as a golfer who checked his BlackBerry after every shot and lost a
  potential client who thought he was a socially-inept obsessive. Marsha Egan
  said email misuse could cost businesses millions of pounds in lost
  productivity.

  One of her clients could not walk by a computer - her own or anyone else's
  - without checking for messages. Another had 3,600 emails in his inbox.

  Others wait for emails and send themselves a message if one hasn't shown up
  for several minutes, she claimed.

  Research by King's College London says addiction to email is doubly
  worrying because such technology depletes cognitive abilities more rapidly
  than drugs.

  Email users suffered a 10 per cent drop in IQ scores, more than twice the
  fall recorded by marijuana users.

  --
  -----------------
  R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
  The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
  44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
  "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
  [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
  experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
  _______________________________________________
  Clips mailing list
  Clips at philodox.com
  http://www.philodox.com/mailman/listinfo/clips

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-- 
-----------------
R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




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From s.schear at comcast.net  Wed Feb 21 12:33:53 2007
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:33:53 -0800
Subject: money mixes
In-Reply-To: <20070221172326.GI2948@leitl.org>
References: <20070221172326.GI2948@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20070221111427.055914b8@mail.comcast.net>

At 09:23 AM 2/21/2007, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>Money laundering for dummies: take a number of bank accounts
>with online access (HBCI/FinTS/OFX(?)), and implement a mix
>cascade for money.

Ripple could be a good match: http://ripple.sourceforge.net/

A Ripple automation 'bot (using open source), that could 'manage' incoming 
and outgoing transactions (up to some limit set be the account holder) from 
a bank account, could make a near ideal mixmaster.

>With a few 10 accounts and many interactions
>the origin of what went where is very difficult, unless there
>is a full transaction log available from each institution.

Which of course there is...

Steve 




From s.schear at comcast.net  Wed Feb 21 14:14:56 2007
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:14:56 -0800
Subject: New digital bearer cash site launched (was Re: money mixes)
In-Reply-To: <p06240880c2026a551705@[68.167.57.91]>
References: <20070221172326.GI2948@leitl.org> 
  <p06240873c2025d580bb7@[68.167.57.91]> 
  <20070221204851.GP2948@leitl.org> 
  <p06240880c2026a551705@[68.167.57.91]>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20070221141031.05df77c8@mail.comcast.net>

At 01:43 PM 2/21/2007, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
>I still hold out hope for digital bearer transactions being cheaper than
>book entries, particularly as transaction settlement times trend towards
>zero, but gaming the system old-school, with book-entry shells, and mixes,
>and hops, or whatever, only works for so long, anymore.

[I submitted this for posting on the Cryptography list, 
cryptography at metzdowd.com, but it has not yet appeared]

With the expiration of Chaum's key patents it was assumed that someone 
would step up an try their hand at launching a DBC-based financial 
service.  Some time has passed and I'm happy to announce that this has 
finally happened.  Taking a cue from the lively Digital Gold Currencies, 
eCache's first denomination if gold backed.  Unlike Digicash's instruments, 
eCache is using a mixing technique, rather than blinding, to help preserve 
unlinkability.  Its mint is located on a hidden server in TOR-land.  More 
information at: https://ffij33ewbnoeqnup.onion.meshmx.com/doc.php

Comments are invited about the technology and governance aspects that such 
financial services invoke.

Steve


PS: and Hettinga can comment about why their fees are too high :) 




From coderman at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 14:54:25 2007
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:54:25 -0800
Subject: New digital bearer cash site launched (was Re: money mixes)
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20070221141031.05df77c8@mail.comcast.net>
References: <20070221172326.GI2948@leitl.org> 	
  <p06240873c2025d580bb7@68.167.57.91> <20070221204851.GP2948@leitl.org>
  	 <p06240880c2026a551705@68.167.57.91> 	
  <6.0.1.1.0.20070221141031.05df77c8@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4ef5fec60702211454ne457cbsd3e7977f00199f72@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/21/07, Steve Schear <s.schear at comcast.net> wrote:
> ... Taking a cue from the lively Digital Gold Currencies,
> eCache's first denomination if gold backed.  Unlike Digicash's instruments,
> eCache is using a mixing technique, rather than blinding, to help preserve
> unlinkability.  Its mint is located on a hidden server in TOR-land.  More
> information at: https://ffij33ewbnoeqnup.onion.meshmx.com/doc.php

interesting indeed!

"""
   How can I trust you that your currency is really worth anything and
not backed by hot air?

   Well, you can't. The only way to trust us is to give us a try. Use
our system with COW, get a very small amount of GG. Talk with us on
the channel. Over time you will see that we honour our promises and
that you can get your gold back. That way we will gain favour in your
eyes.  Sooner or later we will also add an auditing process for our
physical resources. Check on our site as information becomes
available.
"""

solving the reputation problem will be much harder.  it will be
interesting to see how this plays out...

a few things which make me cautious to trust their reputation:

"There are however a few external proxies that make our service
available to a bigger public. Those proxies are not sponsored by us
nor are they under our control."
 ^- bad idea.

it's Tor, not TOR.  (ok, a nit pick, but something anyone familiar
with Tor would know...)

lack of detail regarding authority and authorization to access funds
(physical and digital) by the three anonymous individuals.  is this a
quorum system, preventing a single rogue from wreaking havoc?  is an
escrow mechanism in place to recover from untimely death or
incarceration of an individual?  etc.

---

otherwise, i love it.  here's to hoping it goes somewhere!
 /me departs to code some COW wrangling logic...




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and may be the father of her baby daughter.Von Anhalt's lawyer Chris FieldsIranian government per se knows aboutpoint is: What's worse -- them orderingIraq is fulfilling its commitment civilian side in Iraq as well.Bush also faced questions about Iran's"The Iraqi government's making progresscombat troops to Iraq was on course.troops and they need to make sure we have a number of news shows. Speaking in a who, the British press reports, may After Gabor was convicted of battery"She didn't even know him," Bonnie Stern says. the Duke of Saxony -- or Frederic  him in 1980 and gave him the title"I had a very hard childhood," he says, His own parents dead, he says she adopted but Pyongyang must follow through"They're all aimed at, frankly, say, based on what I know, that thein Beijing, and pleased with the  government has been supplying weapons activities will be suspended, and a "and do what they say they will do."Iraq is fulfilling its commitmentBush also touted an agreement with North  tow, von Anhalt tried to lay claim toFox News Channel, von Anhalt agreedtitle to at least 10 other people.rich were entitled to better treatment. married to elderly oil tycoon J. Howard Marshall II. He enticed the town mayor with a recalling how he sought escape in "They bring the money into Beverly  say, based on what I know, that theof Baghdad," he said.The United States, China, South Korea, but Pyongyang must follow through penetrators are manufactured in Iran,"point is: What's worse -- them ordering"These are people that will killBush said Petraeus told him that
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From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Feb 21 12:34:51 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:34:51 -0500
Subject: money mixes
In-Reply-To: <20070221172326.GI2948@leitl.org>
References: <20070221172326.GI2948@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <p06240873c2025d580bb7@[68.167.57.91]>

At 6:23 PM +0100 2/21/07, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>unless there
>is a full transaction log available from each institution.

They don't call it book-entry settlement for nothing, Eugen.

Cheers,
RAH

-- 
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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From coderman at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 16:00:57 2007
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:00:57 -0800
Subject: eCache officer anonymity
Message-ID: <4ef5fec60702211600w3e676fa3g838033536145440d@mail.gmail.com>

anyone want to wager on the ability of the eCache three to remain
anonymous?  leakage above the network layer has always been
problematic.

one of the three is a little too distinct...




From coderman at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 16:36:34 2007
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:36:34 -0800
Subject: eCache officer anonymity
In-Reply-To: <4ef5fec60702211600w3e676fa3g838033536145440d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ef5fec60702211600w3e676fa3g838033536145440d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ef5fec60702211636j4f0d93f5ie479e688a272064f@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/21/07, coderman <coderman at gmail.com> wrote:
> anyone want to wager on the ability of the eCache three to remain
> anonymous?

digest of nonce+name
3067126D3B17D374B72A0A35DAAD4BB35FFB87160622F4045285254B23A80C95

the trusted third parties to eCache acting as auditors and references
shouldn't cheat.  although i suppose reputation should always be a
factor in such trust metrics :P




From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Feb 21 13:43:03 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:43:03 -0500
Subject: money mixes
In-Reply-To: <20070221204851.GP2948@leitl.org>
References: <20070221172326.GI2948@leitl.org> 
  <p06240873c2025d580bb7@[68.167.57.91]>
  <20070221204851.GP2948@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <p06240880c2026a551705@[68.167.57.91]>

At 9:48 PM +0100 2/21/07, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>10
>accounts in different jurisdictions

Go ahead. Find 10 different jurisdictions that FinCEN can't play hopscotch
into, or at least out of...

These days, anyway.

Hell, find one.

"Regulatory Arbitrage" is, literally, a thing of the past.

And, actually, it would more likely work for petty cash than anything north
of the megabuck level.

Hawala still works, after all, and no amount of FinCEN's spraying
"know-your-customer" raid about various islamic backwaters is going to stop
it.


My point is, the minute you run up the periscope on anything significant,
your friendly neighborhood force-monopoly can follow the audit trail back
to the point of origin, and thus to you. They're called audit-trails for a
reason, yes?


It comes, again, from "and then you go to jail" as the error-handler if you
lie about a book entry. Financial operations, currently, offloads most of
its transaction risk onto the force-monopoly of the nation-state. Which
means that Uncle and various Aunties around the world get to look up the
skirt of the financial system anytime they want in the interest of
"transparency", or whatever hobby-horse they're riding these days. To beat
my metaphors like a dead um, horse.

I still hold out hope for digital bearer transactions being cheaper than
book entries, particularly as transaction settlement times trend towards
zero, but gaming the system old-school, with book-entry shells, and mixes,
and hops, or whatever, only works for so long, anymore.

Cheers,
RAH

-- 
-----------------
R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 21 15:03:49 2007
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:03:49 -0500
Subject: money mixes
In-Reply-To: <20070221204851.GP2948@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F14BFC2628124C2516D185B9B880@phx.gbl>

Hum...seems to me all you'd need is one institution to be less than 
forthcoming in order for the whole set of transactions to be doused in 
uncertainty. Somehow, I'd bet Nigeria would be a good place to look for such 
an institution...
-TD


>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>, cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Re: money mixes
>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:48:52 +0100
>
>On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 03:34:51PM -0500, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
>
> > They don't call it book-entry settlement for nothing, Eugen.
>
>Of course they have logs at each instutution; the point is what
>is available. If it's a private money mix cascade over some 10
>accounts in different jurisdictions, you'd have to query a large
>fraction of them for their records (and obtain them, of course)
>in order to do your traffic analysis. Perhaps not that easy for
>a case of petty money laundering (the Medellin cartel would
>probably do something a little more professional here).
>
>(Disclaimer. Dear potential eavesdropper: this is a mere hypothetical, I've
>never done it, nor do I intend to ever do it, or at least I wouldn't
>post it to the whole wide Internet just in case I wanted to).
>
>--
>Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org
>______________________________________________________________
>ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.ativel.com
>8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
>
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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Feb 21 09:23:27 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:23:27 +0100
Subject: money mixes
Message-ID: <20070221172326.GI2948@leitl.org>

Money laundering for dummies: take a number of bank accounts
with online access (HBCI/FinTS/OFX(?)), and implement a mix
cascade for money. With a few 10 accounts and many interactions
the origin of what went where is very difficult, unless there
is a full transaction log available from each institution.

-- 
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.ativel.com
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From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Feb 21 17:36:22 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:36:22 -0500
Subject: New digital bearer cash site launched (was Re: money mixes)
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20070221141031.05df77c8@mail.comcast.net>
References: <20070221172326.GI2948@leitl.org>   
  <p06240873c2025d580bb7@[68.167.57.91]>   
  <20070221204851.GP2948@leitl.org>   
  <p06240880c2026a551705@[68.167.57.91]> 
  <6.0.1.1.0.20070221141031.05df77c8@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <p0624088ac202a3d290a4@[68.167.57.91]>

At 2:14 PM -0800 2/21/07, Steve Schear wrote:
>Hettinga can comment about why their fees are too high

Prices, including fees, are discovered in a market, not calculated by the
likes of mere mortals like me. :-)

Cheers,
RAH

-- 
-----------------
R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From s.schear at comcast.net  Wed Feb 21 20:54:35 2007
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:54:35 -0800
Subject: money mixes
In-Reply-To: <45DD1614.1000804@rant-central.com>
References: <BAY116-F14BFC2628124C2516D185B9B880@phx.gbl> 
  <45DD1614.1000804@rant-central.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20070221205350.054c63f0@mail.comcast.net>

At 08:03 PM 2/21/2007, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
>Tyler Durden wrote:
> > Hum...seems to me all you'd need is one institution to be less than
> > forthcoming in order for the whole set of transactions to be doused in
> > uncertainty. Somehow, I'd bet Nigeria would be a good place to look for
> > such an institution...
>
>Indeed, in any proper mix, only one node need remain uncompromised.
>
>Credit to this thread for spurring me into finally installing Tor.
>Gotta say the tools have improved a lot since my last flirtation.

May I suggest you consider Torpark from Torrify.com ?

Steve 




From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Feb 21 12:48:52 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:48:52 +0100
Subject: money mixes
In-Reply-To: <p06240873c2025d580bb7@[68.167.57.91]>
References: <20070221172326.GI2948@leitl.org>
  <p06240873c2025d580bb7@[68.167.57.91]>
Message-ID: <20070221204851.GP2948@leitl.org>

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 03:34:51PM -0500, R.A. Hettinga wrote:

> They don't call it book-entry settlement for nothing, Eugen.

Of course they have logs at each instutution; the point is what
is available. If it's a private money mix cascade over some 10
accounts in different jurisdictions, you'd have to query a large
fraction of them for their records (and obtain them, of course)
in order to do your traffic analysis. Perhaps not that easy for
a case of petty money laundering (the Medellin cartel would
probably do something a little more professional here).

(Disclaimer. Dear potential eavesdropper: this is a mere hypothetical, I've
never done it, nor do I intend to ever do it, or at least I wouldn't
post it to the whole wide Internet just in case I wanted to).

--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.ativel.com
8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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From: wodthebluecactuscafefat at thebluecactuscafe.com (Ofelia Blue)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:55:29 -0060
Subject: Separate yourself from other men
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From roy at rant-central.com  Wed Feb 21 20:03:32 2007
From: roy at rant-central.com (Roy M. Silvernail)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:03:32 -0500
Subject: money mixes
In-Reply-To: <BAY116-F14BFC2628124C2516D185B9B880@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY116-F14BFC2628124C2516D185B9B880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <45DD1614.1000804@rant-central.com>

Tyler Durden wrote:
> Hum...seems to me all you'd need is one institution to be less than
> forthcoming in order for the whole set of transactions to be doused in
> uncertainty. Somehow, I'd bet Nigeria would be a good place to look for
> such an institution...

Indeed, in any proper mix, only one node need remain uncompromised.

Credit to this thread for spurring me into finally installing Tor.
Gotta say the tools have improved a lot since my last flirtation.
-- 
Roy M. Silvernail is roy at rant-central.com, and you're not
"It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT
CRM114->procmail->/dev/null->bliss
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From abandon at leehom.net  Thu Feb 22 00:07:47 2007
From: abandon at leehom.net (Peter Durham)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 03:07:47 -0500
Subject: Loan request.
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:34:28 -0300
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:04:27 +0000
Subject: Is Rolex good for you?   nekp
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:12:25 -0400
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:58:43 -0200
Subject: How R U
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:16:16 -0060
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:51:13 +0600
Subject: Miss You
Message-ID: <443d01c75690$e60fe830$7628c8c4@asitrsnoxnm>




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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:42:19 +0000
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From: Jeff.Hodges at KingsMountain.com (Jeff.Hodges at KingsMountain.com)
Date: February 23, 2007 2:27:31 PM EST
Subject: governmental datamining: Going to Canada? Check your past
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C.W. Nevius

Friday, February 23, 2007

There was a time not long ago when a trip across the border from the
United
States to Canada was accomplished with a wink and a wave of a driver's
license. Those days are over.

Take the case of 55-year-old Lake Tahoe resident Greg Felsch. Stopped
at the
border in Vancouver this month at the start of a planned five-day ski
trip, he
was sent back to the United States because of a DUI conviction seven
years
ago. Not that he had any idea what was going on when he was told at
customs:
"Your next stop is immigration.''

Felsch was ushered into a room. "There must have been 75 people in
line," he
says. "We were there for three hours. One woman was in tears. A guy
was sent
back for having a medical marijuana card. I felt like a felon with an
ankle
bracelet.''

Or ask the well-to-do East Bay couple who flew to British Columbia
this month
for an eight-day ski vacation at the famed Whistler Chateau, where
rooms run
to $500 a night. They'd made the trip many times, but were surprised
at the
border to be told that the husband would have to report to "secondary''
immigration.

There, in a room he estimates was filled with 60 other concerned
travelers, he
was told he was "a person who was inadmissible to Canada.'' The
problem? A
conviction for marijuana possession.

In 1975.

Welcome to the new world of border security. Unsuspecting Americans are
turning up at the Canadian border expecting clear sailing, only to
find that
their past -- sometimes their distant past -- is suddenly an issue.

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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Feb 23 07:19:35 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:19:35 +0100
Subject: [alito@organicrobot.com: [>Htech] yahoonews: 2500 micron^2
  antennaless RFID chips]
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From rah at shipwright.com  Fri Feb 23 13:54:03 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:54:03 -0500
Subject: Forensic cross-contaminants (was Re: [alito@organicrobot.com: 
  [>Htech] yahoonews: 2500 micron^2 antennaless RFID chips])
In-Reply-To: <20070223151935.GC2948@leitl.org>
References: <20070223151935.GC2948@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <p06240828c20511d05b16@[68.167.57.91]>

At 4:19 PM +0100 2/23/07, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>Hitachi shows off powder-sized smart tag

This reminds me of the gunpowder/explosive taggants debate.

Essentially, once tags get small enough, they blow around so much that
they're forensically useless, especially in places where a lot of different
taggants show up together, like, say, a forensic lab. :-)

Remember how the claim was made a decade or so ago, that at small enough
concentrations that just about every bill of any cash denomination had
cocaine on it if it had traded hands more than a few times?

Same idea.

Cheers,
RAH

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:49:13 -0060
Subject: Live life to the fullest
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From alito at organicrobot.com  Fri Feb 23 06:18:29 2007
From: alito at organicrobot.com (Alejandro Dubrovsky)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:18:29 +1000
Subject: [>Htech] yahoonews: 2500 micron^2 antennaless RFID chips
Message-ID: <mailman.1947.1576007739.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

(
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070222/ap_on_hi_te/japan_powder_chip
)

Hitachi shows off powder-sized smart tag

By YURI KAGEYAMA, AP Business Writer Thu Feb 22, 6:45 PM ET

TOKYO - Tiny computer chips used for tracking food, tickets and other
items are getting even smaller. Hitachi Ltd., a Japanese electronics
maker, recently showed off radio frequency identification, or RFID,
chips that are just 0.002 inches by 0.002 inches and look like bits of
powder. They're thin enough to be embedded in a piece of paper, company
spokesman Masayuki Takeuchi said Thursday.
ADVERTISEMENT

RFID tags store data, but they need to be brought near special reading
devices that beam energy to the chips, which then send information back
to the readers.

The technology is already widely used to track and identify items, such
as monitoring the distribution of food products or guarding against
forgery of concert tickets.

Shown to the public for the first time earlier this month, the new chip
is an improvement on its predecessor from Hitachi b the Mu-chip, which
at 0.4 millimeters by 0.4 millimeters, looks about the size of the
period at the end of this sentence.

The latest chip, which still has no name, is 60 times smaller than the
Mu-chip but can handle the same amount of information, which gets stored
as a 38-digit number, according to Hitachi.

One catch is that the new chip needs an external antenna, unlike the
Mu-chip.

The smallest antennas are about 0.16 inches b giants next to the
powder-size chip.

There are no plans yet to start commercial production of the new chip,
Takeuchi said.

Invisible tracking brings to mind science-fiction-inspired uses, or even
abuses, such as unknowingly getting sprinkled with smart-tag powder for
Big Brother-like monitoring.

"We are not imagining such uses," Takeuchi said, adding that the latest
chip is so new b and so miniature b Hitachi is still studying its
possible uses.


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From: topascofon at ctt.ne.jp (Herta)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:42:06 +0500
Subject: Sorry About Last week
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Subject: [IP] governmental datamining: Going to Canada? Check your past
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Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] governmental datamining: Going to
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From bob.redmountain at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 03:24:37 2007
From: bob.redmountain at gmail.com (Bob Rosenberg)
Date: February 25, 2007 3:24:37 AM EST
Subject: Britons angry over trash bin tracking
Message-ID: <mailman.1949.1576007739.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Prof. Farber

For IP maybe.

Where is George Orwell when we need him?

Bob


Arizona Republic
Britons angry over trash bin tracking
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/
0225britainBins0225.html#

Liz Ruskin
McClatchy Newspapers
Feb. 25, 2007 12:00 AM
LONDON - The British tolerate millions of surveillance cameras
watching their every public move. They agreed to let roadside cameras
record their vehicular movements and store the information for two
years. But when they discovered that their garbage is being bugged,
they howled that Big Brother had gone too far.

Local governments have attached microchips to some 500,000 "wheelie
bins," the trashcans that residents wheel to the curb for collection.
The aim, they say, is to help monitor collections and boost the
national recycling rate, now among the lowest in Europe.

The public has reacted with suspicion and fury.
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"Germans Plant Bugs in Our Wheelie Bins," a Daily Mail headline
announced in August. Two of the bin manufacturers are German.
Newspaper letter writers have taken to calling it "Bin Brother."

A member of Parliament from London's Croydon neighborhood denounced
the chip as "the spy in your bin."

Small-scale revolts have erupted across the United Kingdom for
months, as different localities adopt the technology. Some towns
failed to mention the new feature, which is concealed under coin-
sized plugs under the rims of their garbage cans.

In the coastal city of Bournemouth, 72-year-old Cyril Baker ripped
the chip off his new bin the day he discovered it, then went on
national television to show how he did it. Thousands of his neighbors
followed his example. "It was a very emotional issue. The whole town
was in an uproar," he said.

The microchips - radio frequency identification transmitters known as
RFID tags - can't actually spy on the contents of a bin. They're more
like tiny digital nametags, but they hold lots of information and can
be scanned from yards away.

In parts of Germany and Belgium, garbage trucks equipped with scales
and scanners lift the tagged bins. The bins are weighed as they're
emptied, and residents are charged for each pound they send to the
landfill.

Bournemouth administrators swear that they intend only to monitor
trash trends and return lost bins to their assigned homes.


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From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:24:10 -0500
Subject: [IP] Britons angry over trash bin tracking
Message-ID: <mailman.1950.1576007739.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From rah at shipwright.com  Sun Feb 25 10:26:44 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:26:44 -0500
Subject: [Clips] The Economics of the Rise of Ahmadinejad
Message-ID: <p062408c9c207856073e2@[68.167.57.91]>

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  Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:01:58 -0500
  To: dgcchat at dgcchat.com
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject:  [Clips] The Economics of the Rise of Ahmadinejad
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   Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
   Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
   Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:15:51 -0500
   To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
   From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
   Subject: [Clips] The Economics of the Rise of Ahmadinejad
   Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
   Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com
  

<http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZjgxM2YwMTMzNzk3ODU4YzM4NWE3MDU3NTBjMWE4ZjQ=>
  
   The National Review
  
   December 19, 2006, 8:42 a.m.
  
   The Economics of the Rise of Ahmadinejad
  
   Capital markets (or their absence) are central to the emergence of evil and
   the one-party state.
  
   By Reuven Brenner
  
   When Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad visited the U.S. recently, he
   didn't say explicitly that the Holocaust was a myth. Instead he asked why
   so much emphasis is put on the 6 million Jews who died during WWII rather
   than the 60 million people who perished during the conflict. Then, at a
   Tehran conference where Holocaust deniers congregated with Orthodox rabbis
   who apparently believe the state of Israel should not exist, Ahmadinejad
   offered a message satisfying each camp. He told the delegates that the
   Holocaust should be questioned and that Israel's days are numbered.
  
   One wonders, with the terrible lessons of 20th century totalitarianism
   still so ripe, how history could repeat itself so blatantly and so soon. I
   hold that the answer lies in just how one-party states such as modern Iran
   emerge, and of what happens when the access to capital is limited within
   societies.
  
   Of course, the systematic extermination of the Jews started in the early
   1930s. By then, Germany had rebuilt itself from the ruins of WWI and the
   devastating hyperinflation of the 1920s into a powerful, educated,
   industrialized nation, where science and technology thrived. True, all this
   occurred within a one-party state. Yet, if such apparent prosperity can
   lead to murderous instincts not being suppressed, where is the advantage of
   Western Civilization, which is built on the concept of prosperity? In a
   recent op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, Mark Bowen asked, Why is the
   Holocaust haunting the collective memory of the West? Bowen concluded,
   "what the Holocaust demonstrates is the danger of a one-party state."
  
   This conclusion is partially correct, but it begs the question: How did
   Germany get from the Weimar Republic, a democracy, to the one-party state?
   And why did the Germans tolerate such a state and accept its murderous
   ideology? Whether the Germans agreed deep down with Hitler & Co. is
   irrelevant. Actions - or, in this case, the lack of actions - matter.
  
   During the 1920s, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Poland, and Russia each
   printed money with abandon. This brought about hyperinflation, which
   weakened or destroyed the capital markets in these countries. Banks failed,
   markets crashed, unemployment rose, and the middle classes lost their
   lifetime savings.
  
   People want to live first and philosophize a bit later. With their savings
   gone, these Europeans turned to two other ways of accessing capital:
   government and crime. Predictably, each of these countries moved toward
   centralization - that is, government become the main financial intermediary.
  
   When the citizens of these countries looked abroad, there was little to
   admire. England and the U.S. were each suffering through depressions (in
   the U.S., due to mistaken fiscal and monetary policies). These governments
   too moved toward centralization, though to a much different degree. Up
   sprung the jargon of "public works" and, eventually, the Keynesian term
   "aggregate demand." Here the governments also would become intermediaries,
   charged with raising and then allocating capital. Importantly, however,
   this was done without England or the U.S. ever becoming one-party states.

   Power is dispersed within democracies, and democracies are always weakened
   when more money flows through government hands. This is true even when the
   facade of democracy persists. When more capital sifts through the
   government, more groups depend on government handouts and have less access
   to sources of capital that are independent from the ruling political
   parties. But the U.K. and the U.S. retained many more independent sources
   of capital than did Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Russia during the 1930s.
  
   The dangers come when a country either does not develop its capital markets
   or destroys them on purpose or inadvertently. When this is the case, the
   chances of one party taking power and imposing its ideology increase.
  
   Conversely, when capital markets are opened, the risk that one-party states
   will emerge diminishes. As independent sources of capital surface,
   political power is dispersed and lasting prosperity follows. Thus, it is a
   mistake to promote democracy without first establishing the ground for
   letting people have access to capital and collateral - or at least
   coordinating such access with political change. After all, prosperity is
   the result of matching people with capital, while holding both sides
   accountable.
  
   What happens when societies either do not have or destroy their financial
   markets? Even today very few societies have developed the institutions that
   can enable the development of deep financial markets - a solid legal
   infrastructure and free media among them. In this scenario, most people
   wanting access to capital have no other option but to turn to government,
   which will raise the money - either through taxes or borrowing - and then
   distribute it.
  
   That's how one-party states such as Ahmadinejad's Iran emerge: People bet
   on crazy ideologies when their customary ways of living suddenly crumble
   and capital markets close. Capital markets are the unique feature of the
   West, and their democratization is the key to the civilizing process and
   the best insurance against the emergence of one-party states. Indeed,
   that's what the U.S. should have been "exporting" all along in the Middle
   East, coordinating the promotion of capital markets with the necessary
   political changes in Iraq.
  
   - Reuven Brenner holds the Repap chair at Desautels' Faculty of Management,
   and is partner in Match Strategic Partners. The article draws on his books
   Force of Finance (2002) and History: The Human Gamble (1983).
  
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  "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
  [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
  experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From rah at shipwright.com  Sun Feb 25 10:29:30 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:29:30 -0500
Subject: [Dgcchat] Totalitarian Force Monopoly and Geodesic Capital (was
    Re:  [Clips] The Economics of the Rise of Ahmadinejad)
Message-ID: <p062408cac20786069ab5@[68.167.57.91]>

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  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:28:27 -0500
  To: "Philodox Clips List" <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Dgcchat] Totalitarian Force Monopoly and Geodesic Capital (was
  	Re:  [Clips] The Economics of the Rise of Ahmadinejad)
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com


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  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:38:31 -0500
  To: Dgcchat at dgcchat.com
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Dgcchat] Totalitarian Force Monopoly and Geodesic Capital (was Re:
  [Clips] The Economics of the Rise of Ahmadinejad)
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  At 9:50 AM +0000 2/25/07, Darren Rhodes wrote:
  >The note below assumes that Republicans and Democrats are not
  >different wings of the same party; similarly for Conservatives and Neu
  >Arbeit in the UK.  In other words the West is ruled by one party
  >states.
  >
  >As has been pointed out many times before on this list fiat currency
  >is the enemy.

  Apparently, the source of the article didn't completely confound your
  abilities to reason clearly about its content.

  ;-)

  The point of the article, to me, was that more access to capital increases
  freedom. That single party states (for some definitions of "party" :-)),
  decrease the availability of capital, and that that the availability of
  capital decreases exponentially with the totality of control, eventually
  resulting in famine, suffering, and war.

  By the way, I think we're in reasonable agreement, to the extent that I
  think this applies to western countries, as well, since we're, currently,
  in the process of increasing government control on more and more things in
  general -- but, in particular, for this list, and in light of very recent
  events, the very flow of capital itself.


  In the interests of lively discussion, however, :-), I'll chum the water
  for the flame-sharks out there by noting Jeanne Kirkpatrick's distinction
  between authoritarians, like Augusto Pinochet, and Lee Kwan Yew, who didn't
  brook much political dissent but allowed freedom in most other spheres,
  particularly economic ones, and totalitarians, like Hitler, Mao, Stalin,
  and Pol Pot, (or Fidel Castro, the Kim dynasty, and, now, apparently, Hugo
  Chavez) who insist on literally controlling the totality of their citizen's
  behavior, with varying degrees of "success" in doing so.

  Note that currently, government of all stripes, using information
  technology, both financial and otherwise, is trending toward totality of
  control, because, like the lewd joke about dogs, they can.


  Authoritarians, paradoxically, make money and can be pretty safe for
  capital. Totalitarians, are, of course, unsafe for just about everyone,
  sooner or later. In the same way that psychiatric disease is increasingly
  diagnosed by which psychopharmacological substance changes which undesired
  behavior, the article seems, to me, to point to capital and access to same
  as the definition of the distinction between the two.


  Which leads me to some interesting thoughts about force monopoly in
  general. To the extent that armies are designed to kill people and break
  things, states, too, are *exactly* about force monopoly and nothing else,
  and literal mayhem results when they are used for any other purpose.

  To look at both extremes of the continuum, authoritarians are about
  maintaining their force monopoly, political power, pretty much to the
  exclusion of anything else. Totalitarians, on the other hand, are about
  using their force monopoly and political power to control everything around
  them. In so doing, they not only fail in their objectives, they *destroy*
  everything around them.

  That leaves vote-market controlled force, because I think that voting,
  democratic (small-d) and republican (small-r), systems work better than
  totalitarians or authoritarians in allocating the use of monopolistic
  force, and have been ultimately desirable as places, in the modern world,
  to build, and conduct markets for, capital. The United States, pretty much
  since the original Anglo-American colonization until the advent of
  automated central records processing with Hollerith cards in the early 20th
  century, was a splendid example of democratic and quasi-democratic, even
  anarcho-capitalist, force control. Capital flowed in, prospered, and
  eventually the US became the largest capital market on the planet.

  Even the Civil War was, mechanistically, at least, proof that industrialism
  and capital and obviated the need for slavery itself, a peculiar
  totalitarian "institution" with a history at least as old as the wild-grain
  sedentiarianism that preceded agriculture in the Levant some 17-12,000
  years ago.

  Automated records processing, coupled with the first light-speed
  telecommunications, eventually enabled an increase of the span of control,
  and it's no surprise that it was first used in the "enhanced" censuses of
  the time, and, ultimately, on the constitutionally-amended re-introduction
  of the income tax itself, both of which are impossible without that
  technology.

  Modern book-entry transactions are, of course, another result of this,
  producing an increasing totality of control, and institutional gigantism,
  until well into the 20th century, before, eventually, Moore's Law and
  microprocessors started to disassemble that process and create actual
  dis-economies of scale. I cite the collapse of the Soviet Union, and, the
  apparent conversion of China from totalitarian to authoritarian control as
  reasonable examples of this process.


  And thus, I think, as always :-), that reality, literal, physical, reality,
  is not optional. Technology, not politics, software, not legislation, is
  the only solution to this problem of the universally increasing government
  trend towards totality of control. A phenomenon that, to me, at least, is
  more a symptom of the end of such behavior, than it is of the beginning.
  The sale of totalitarian indulgences as a precursor to a possible geodesic
  reformation, if you will. To me, the thin edge of the wedge is enhancing
  the free flow of capital exclusive of the still-increasingly totalitarian,
  but nonetheless inertial, trends of the modern nation-state.

  Financial cryptography as the printing press of geodesic capitalism.
  Cranking out heretical "tracts" of capital as quickly as modern financiers
  can dream them up and "publish" them in free markets.


  I don't say that the solution is easy to execute, but we do have to tools
  to reverse this trend, to eventually free finance from government control,
  to convert "economics" -- which, in the same way that "theology" is
  actually philosophy (natural and otherwise :-)) as applied to religion, is
  essentially finance as applied to nation-states -- to the same level of
  intellectual exercise that religion now holds in the modern mind. Something
  one does, in civilized countries anyway :-), in the quiet solitude of one's
  own mind, exclusive of the wielding of violent force.

  Force which, ultimately enabled by this new, geodesic capital, will become
  less monopolistic over time until auction markets will prevail over
  monopolistic ones, everywhere, and for *all* markets.

  Perhaps then, like it did for slavery, technology will finally liberate us
  from the "peculiar institution" of force monopoly.

  Cheers,
  RAH

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From jamuir at scs.carleton.ca  Sun Feb 25 15:24:24 2007
From: jamuir at scs.carleton.ca (James Muir)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:24:24 -0500
Subject: "Low-Resource Routing Attacks Against Anonymous Systems"
Message-ID: <mailman.1951.1576007739.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

No one seems to have posted this to the list yet, so I thought I should:

"Low-Resource Routing Attacks Against Anonymous Systems",
K. Bauer, D. McCoy, D. Grunwald, T. Kohno, D. Sicker
Technical Report, University of Colorado

http://www.cs.colorado.edu/department/publications/reports/docs/CU-CS-1025-07
.pdf

It was posted on Slashdot:

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/02/25/1913219.shtml

-James

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Feb 25 23:51:10 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:51:10 +0100
Subject: [jamuir@scs.carleton.ca: "Low-Resource Routing Attacks Against
  Anonymous Systems"]
Message-ID: <20070226075110.GM3235@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from James Muir <jamuir at scs.carleton.ca> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Feb 26 00:00:56 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:00:56 +0100
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] Britons angry over trash bin tracking]
Message-ID: <20070226080056.GP3235@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave at farber.net> -----


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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:39:27 -0060
Subject: You can save your money
Message-ID: <463136849.11869566606532@thebat.net>

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From rah at shipwright.com  Mon Feb 26 12:16:06 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:16:06 -0500
Subject: [Dgcchat] Totalitarian Force Monopoly and Geodesic Capital 
    (was Re: [Clips] The Economics of the Rise of Ahmadinejad)
Message-ID: <p062408e5c208f08090f9@[68.167.57.91]>

--- begin forwarded text


  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:12:44 -0500
  To: "Philodox Clips List" <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: Re: [Dgcchat] Totalitarian Force Monopoly and Geodesic Capital
  	(was Re: [Clips] The Economics of the Rise of Ahmadinejad)
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com


  --- begin forwarded text


   Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
   Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:02:21 -0500
   To: dgcchat at dgcchat.com
   From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
   Subject: Re: [Dgcchat] Totalitarian Force Monopoly and Geodesic Capital
   (was Re: [Clips] The Economics of the Rise of Ahmadinejad)

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   At 7:22 PM +0000 2/26/07, Darren Rhodes wrote:
   >The battle is one between
   >fiat currency vs FC

   I don't think so.

   I think that the contents of say, a digital bearer certificate are,
   orthogonal to the method of execution, clearing, and settlement. They're,
   heh, immaterial. (Okay, bad financial operations joke, that.)

   As an underwriter, I don't care whether I'm issuing certificates backed by
   anything: dollars, pounds, quatloos, a share of stock, a debenture (or just
   the principal, or just one interest coupon thereof), gold, opium, a car on
   a transporter in the middle of a the pacific, a toaster in a container on a
   container ship in the middle of same, a transporter or a container *ship*
   in the middle of same, a bushel of grain in an elevator, beef on the hoof
   in a stockyard... or any derivative thereof. Or a wager on the price of
   anything. Or a wager on an event, like, say me betting that I'll die next
   year for a million bucks (speaking of Mr. Heinlein...). Or the future
   performance of services. Or the current, real-time, performance of
   services, surgery, theater, or, um, other things.

   Well, you get the idea.

   In theory, if someone wants to trade assets in digital bearer form, and I
   can make money at it, then I'll underwrite certificates representing those
   assets. If the transaction cost is low enough compared to book-entry
   settlement, we might be able to issue digital bearer certificates
   representing clear title to any asset in creation, trade them for each
   other, at the protocol level, exclusive of national origin. Or
   extra-national origin. Or whatever.

   That, I claim, will lead to the abolition of transfer-pricing, the collapse
   of hierarchical into geodesic society, abolition of force-monopoly, the
   reduction of nation-states to the status of sports franchises (and other
   religious affiliations), dogs and cats living together, world peace,
   perfect forward security (but not p=np), perfect pseudonymity representing
   functional anonymity, Measurable Improvement In The General Welfare And The
   Progress Of Humanity In General. (My definition: more stuff, cheaper, today
   more than yesterday, tomorrow more than today, forever and forever, amen.
   What's yours?).

   But that's just me claiming stuff. I want to actually see this stuff
   deployed to see whether it *works*, first. "Works", for me, means that an
   underwriter can make a profit, which means that buyers and sellers profit,
   too, to the extent that it costs them less to buy and sell those assets my
   way than any other way.

   Otherwise, we're just waving our hands, here, even if we're doing it more
   enthusiastically than usual.

   Cheers,
   RAH

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   --
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   R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
   The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
   44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
   "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
   [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
   experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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  --
  -----------------
  R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
  The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
  44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
  "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
  [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
  experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
  _______________________________________________
  Clips mailing list
  Clips at philodox.com
  http://www.philodox.com/mailman/listinfo/clips

--- end forwarded text


-- 
-----------------
R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




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From jamuir at scs.carleton.ca  Mon Feb 26 18:47:25 2007
From: jamuir at scs.carleton.ca (James Muir)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:47:25 -0500
Subject: "Low-Resource Routing Attacks Against Anonymous Systems"
Message-ID: <mailman.1952.1576007739.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

James Muir wrote:
>No one seems to have posted this to the list yet, so I thought I should:
>
>"Low-Resource Routing Attacks Against Anonymous Systems",
>K. Bauer, D. McCoy, D. Grunwald, T. Kohno, D. Sicker
>Technical Report, University of Colorado
>
>http://www.cs.colorado.edu/department/publications/reports/docs/CU-CS-1025-0
7.pdf
>
>
>It was posted on Slashdot:
>
>http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/02/25/1913219.shtml

For those interested, here is someone's official response about the
Technical Report and its implications for the Tor network:

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/anonymous/2007/02/26/the-rumors-of-our-demise/

Does anyone know who authored that?  It seems a bit strange to have an
anonymous official statement, but maybe this is appropriate for Tor ;-)

Here is an FAQ by one of the Tech Report's authors:

http://home.cs.colorado.edu/~bauerk/faq.html

-James

----- End forwarded message -----
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______________________________________________________________
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From: chuckbergixuxe at clipart.it (Jessi)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:21:13 -0300
Subject: Thanks For 4 Sec Of Ur Time
Message-ID: <63b401c759f4$6cf4e6f0$9a647d1d@chuckbergixuxe>




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From arma at mit.edu  Mon Feb 26 22:45:28 2007
From: arma at mit.edu (Roger Dingledine)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:45:28 -0500
Subject: Tor 0.1.2.8-beta is out
Message-ID: <mailman.1953.1576007739.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

This is the eighth development snapshot for the 0.1.2.x series. You'll
notice that it's a beta -- more mature than an alpha but not yet a
release candidate. It fixes a few crash bugs, and generally continues
to clean things up. We're getting close!

The bundles also come with Vidalia 0.0.11.

http://tor.eff.org/download.html

Changes in version 0.1.2.8-beta - 2007-02-26
  o Major bugfixes (crashes):
    - Stop crashing when the controller asks us to resetconf more than
      one config option at once. (Vidalia 0.0.11 does this.)
    - Fix a crash that happened on Win98 when we're given command-line
      arguments: don't try to load NT service functions from advapi32.dll
      except when we need them. (Bug introduced in 0.1.2.7-alpha;
      resolves bug 389.)
    - Fix a longstanding obscure crash bug that could occur when
      we run out of DNS worker processes. (Resolves bug 390.)

  o Major bugfixes (hidden services):
    - Correctly detect whether hidden service descriptor downloads are
      in-progress. (Suggested by Karsten Loesing; fixes bug 399.)

  o Major bugfixes (accounting):
    - When we start during an accounting interval before it's time to wake
      up, remember to wake up at the correct time. (May fix bug 342.)

  o Minor bugfixes (controller):
    - Give the controller END_STREAM_REASON_DESTROY events _before_ we
      clear the corresponding on_circuit variable, and remember later
      that we don't need to send a redundant CLOSED event.  (Resolves part
      3 of bug 367.)
    - Report events where a resolve succeeded or where we got a socks
      protocol error correctly, rather than calling both of them
      "INTERNAL".
    - Change reported stream target addresses to IP consistently when
      we finally get the IP from an exit node.
    - Send log messages to the controller even if they happen to be very
      long.

  o Minor bugfixes (other):
    - Display correct results when reporting which versions are
      recommended, and how recommended they are. (Resolves bug 383.)
    - Improve our estimates for directory bandwidth to be less random:
      guess that an unrecognized directory will have the average bandwidth
      from all known directories, not that it will have the average
      bandwidth from those directories earlier than it on the list.
    - If we start a server with ClientOnly 1, then set ClientOnly to 0
      and hup, stop triggering an assert based on an empty onion_key.
    - On platforms with no working mmap() equivalent, don't warn the
      user when cached-routers doesn't exist.
    - Warn the user when mmap() [or its equivalent] fails for some reason
      other than file-not-found.
    - Don't warn the user when cached-routers.new doesn't exist: that's
      perfectly fine when starting up for the first time.
    - When EntryNodes are configured, rebuild the guard list to contain,
      in order: the EntryNodes that were guards before; the rest of the
      EntryNodes; the nodes that were guards before.
    - Mask out all signals in sub-threads; only the libevent signal
      handler should be processing them. This should prevent some crashes
      on some machines using pthreads. (Patch from coderman.)
    - Fix switched arguments on memset in the implementation of
      tor_munmap() for systems with no mmap() call.
    - When Tor receives a router descriptor that it asked for, but
      no longer wants (because it has received fresh networkstatuses
      in the meantime), do not warn the user.  Cache the descriptor if
      we're a cache; drop it if we aren't.
    - Make earlier entry guards _really_ get retried when the network
      comes back online.
    - On a malformed DNS reply, always give an error to the corresponding
      DNS request.
    - Build with recent libevents on platforms that do not define the
      nonstandard types "u_int8_t" and friends.

  o Minor features (controller):
    - Warn the user when an application uses the obsolete binary v0
      control protocol.  We're planning to remove support for it during
      the next development series, so it's good to give people some
      advance warning.
    - Add STREAM_BW events to report per-entry-stream bandwidth
      use. (Patch from Robert Hogan.)
    - Rate-limit SIGNEWNYM signals in response to controllers that
      impolitely generate them for every single stream. (Patch from
      mwenge; closes bug 394.)
    - Make REMAP stream events have a SOURCE (cache or exit), and
      make them generated in every case where we get a successful
      connected or resolved cell.

  o Minor bugfixes (performance):
    - Call router_have_min_dir_info half as often. (This is showing up in
      some profiles, but not others.)
    - When using GCC, make log_debug never get called at all, and its
      arguments never get evaluated, when no debug logs are configured.
      (This is showing up in some profiles, but not others.)

  o Minor features:
    - Remove some never-implemented options.  Mark PathlenCoinWeight as
      obsolete.
    - Implement proposal 106: Stop requiring clients to have well-formed
      certificates; stop checking nicknames in certificates. (Clients
      have certificates so that they can look like Tor servers, but in
      the future we might want to allow them to look like regular TLS
      clients instead. Nicknames in certificates serve no purpose other
      than making our protocol easier to recognize on the wire.)
    - Revise messages on handshake failure again to be even more clear about
      which are incoming connections and which are outgoing.
    - Discard any v1 directory info that's over 1 month old (for
      directories) or over 1 week old (for running-routers lists).
    - Do not warn when individual nodes in the configuration's EntryNodes,
      ExitNodes, etc are down: warn only when all possible nodes
      are down. (Fixes bug 348.)
    - Always remove expired routers and networkstatus docs before checking
      whether we have enough information to build circuits. (Fixes
      bug 373.)
    - Put a lower-bound on MaxAdvertisedBandwidth.




----- End forwarded message -----
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From jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 06:08:14 2007
From: jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com (Sarad AV)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:08:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Surveillance Cameras Get Smarter
In-Reply-To: <20070227114245.GZ3288@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <789205.11765.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is there anything better than a smart pair of eyes?
Nice technology, wrong application. Security seems to
help make big bucks, that anything you invent gets
security to be one of its main application.

Sarad.




--- Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:

>
http://ibtimes.com/articles/20070226/surveillance-cameras.htm
> 
> Surveillance Cameras Get Smarter
> 
> By Stephen Manning
> Posted 26 February 2007 @ 06:35 am EST
> 
>


 
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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Feb 27 00:25:03 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:25:03 +0100
Subject: [arma@mit.edu: Tor 0.1.2.8-beta is out]
Message-ID: <20070227082503.GR3288@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Roger Dingledine <arma at mit.edu> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Feb 27 00:39:56 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:39:56 +0100
Subject: [jamuir@scs.carleton.ca: Re: "Low-Resource Routing Attacks
  Against Anonymous Systems"]
Message-ID: <20070227083956.GU3288@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from James Muir <jamuir at scs.carleton.ca> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Feb 27 03:42:45 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:42:45 +0100
Subject: Surveillance Cameras Get Smarter
Message-ID: <20070227114245.GZ3288@leitl.org>

http://ibtimes.com/articles/20070226/surveillance-cameras.htm

Surveillance Cameras Get Smarter

By Stephen Manning
Posted 26 February 2007 @ 06:35 am EST

The next time you walk by a shop window, take a glance at your reflection. How
much do you swing your arms? Is the weight of your bag causing you to hunch
over? Do you still have a bit of that 1970s disco strut left?

Look around - You might not be the only one watching. The never-blinking
surveillance cameras, rapidly becoming a part of daily life in public and even
private places, may be sizing you up as well. And they may soon get a lot
smarter.

Researchers and security companies are developing cameras that not only watch
the world but also interpret what they see. Soon, some cameras may be able to
find unattended bags at airports, guess your height or analyze the way you
walk to see if you are hiding something.

Most of the cameras widely used today are used as forensic tools to identify
crooks after-the-fact. (Think grainy video on local TV news of convenience
store robberies gone wrong.) But the latest breed, known as "intelligent
video," could transform cameras from passive observers to eyes with brains,
able to detect suspicious behavior and potentially prevent crime before it
occurs.

Surveillance cameras are common in many cities, monitoring tough street
corners to deter crime, watching over sensitive government buildings and even
catching speeders. Cameras are on public buses and in train stations, building
lobbies, schools and stores. Most feed video to central control rooms, where
they are monitored by security staff.

The innovations could mean fewer people would be needed to watch what they
record, and make it easier to install more in public places and private
homes.

"Law enforcement people in this country are realizing they can use video
surveillance to be in a lot of places at one time," said Roy Bordes, who runs
an Orlando, Fla.-based security consulting company. He also is a council vice
president with ASIS International, a Washington-based organization for
security officials.

The advancements have already been put to work. For example, cameras in
Chicago and Washington can detect gunshots and alert police. Baltimore
installed cameras that can play a recorded message and snap pictures of
graffiti sprayers or illegal dumpers.

In the commercial market, the gaming industry uses camera systems that can
detect facial features, according to Bordes. Casinos use their vast banks of
security cameras to hunt cheating gamblers who have been flagged before.

In London, one of the largest users of surveillance, cameras provided key
photos of the men who bombed the underground system in July 2005 and four more
who failed in a second attempt just days later. But the cameras were only able
to help with the investigation, not prevent the attacks.

Companies that make the latest cameras say the systems, if used broadly, could
make video surveillance much more powerful. Cameras could monitor airports and
ports, help secure homes and watch over vast borders to catch people crossing
illegally.

Intelligent surveillance uses computer algorithms to interpret what a camera
records. The system can be programmed to look for particular things, like an
unattended bag or people walking somewhere they don't belong.

"If you think of the camera as your eye, we are using computer programs as
your brain," said Patty Gillespie, branch chief for image processing at the
Army Research Laboratory in Adelphi, Md. Today, the military funds much of the
smart-surveillance research.

At the University of Maryland, engineering professor Rama Chellappa and a team
of graduate students have worked on systems that can identify a person's
unique gait or analyze the way someone walks to determine if they are a
threat.

A camera trained to look for people on a watch list, for example, could
combine their unique walk with facial-recognition tools to make an
identification. A person carrying a heavy load under a jacket would walk
differently than someone unencumbered - which could help identify a person
hiding a weapon. The system could even estimate someone's height.

With two cameras and a laptop computer set up in a conference room, Chellappa
and a team of graduate students recently demonstrated how intelligent
surveillance works.

A student walked into the middle of the room, dropped a laptop case, then
walked away. On the laptop screen, a green box popped up around him as he
moved into view, then a second focused on the case when it was dropped. After
a few seconds, the box around the case went red, signaling an alert.

In another video, a car pulled into a parking lot and the driver got out, a
box springing up around him. It moved with the driver as he went from car to
car, looking in the windows instead of heading into the building.

In both cases, the camera knew what was normal - the layout of the room with
the suspicious bag and the location of the office door and parking spots in
the parking lot. Alerts were triggered when the unknown bag was added and when
the driver didn't go directly into the building after parking his car.

Similar technology is currently in use by Marines in Iraq and by the subway
system in Barcelona, according to ObjectVideo, a Reston, Va., firm that makes
surveillance software.

ObjectVideo uses a "tripwire system" that allows users to set up virtual
perimeters that are monitored by the cameras. If someone crosses that
perimeter, the system picks it up, sends out an alert, and security staff can
determine if there is a threat.

Company spokesman Edward Troha predicts the technology, currently designed
primarily to protect borders, ports and other infrastructure, could be adapted
to help prevent retail theft or guard private homes.

The Jacksonville Port Authority uses ObjectVideo software as part of its
security measures to watch the perimeter of the Florida port that handles 8.7
million tons of cargo and thousands of cruise ship passengers each year. The
surveillance system sends real-time video from anywhere at the port of
possible intruders to patrol cars.

Still, industry officials say the technology needs to improve before it can be
widely used. There are liability issues, such as if someone is wrongly tagged
as a threat at an airport and misses a flight, said Bordes. Troha warns humans
are still essential to intelligent video, to tell, for example, if a person in
a restricted area is a danger or just lost.

And the cameras can only see so much - they can't stop some threats, like a
bomber with explosives in a backpack. They can't see what you are wearing
under your jacket - yet.

"That is an eventual goal, but we're not there yet," said Chellappa.


Read the full aticle of:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20070226/surveillance-cameras.htm

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From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Feb 27 12:11:48 2007
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:11:48 -0500
Subject: [Clips] How High-Living Founder Of BetonSports Fell, Fled
Message-ID: <p06240852c20a40ced73b@[68.167.57.91]>

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  Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:09:37 -0500
  To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] How High-Living Founder Of BetonSports Fell, Fled
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com

  <http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB117253841220420064.html>

  The Wall Street Journal

  How High-Living Founder
  Of BetonSports Fell, Fled

  By JOHN R. EMSHWILLER and PETER SANDERS

  February 27, 2007; Page B1

  Gary Kaplan used to throw lavish parties in Costa Rica and plaster the name
  of his thriving online gambling company on New York City buses. Now, the
  48-year-old founder of BetonSports PLC and the multibillion-dollar industry
  he helped spawn are in reduced circumstances -- the man on the run, the
  industry in disarray.

  Mr. Kaplan is a fugitive from a racketeering conspiracy and fraud
  indictment filed last year in a St. Louis federal court charging him with
  heading a criminal enterprise that illegally took in over $3.5 billion in
  wagers since 2001.

  Several Kaplan colleagues have also been charged, including former
  BetonSports chief executive David Carruthers, who was arrested at the
  Dallas-Fort Worth airport in July during a brief stopover on a flight from
  London to the company's headquarters in San Josi, Costa Rica. Mr.
  Carruthers and several others charged in the case have pleaded not guilty
  and are awaiting trial. Mr. Kaplan's whereabouts are unknown.

  The Kaplan indictment is part of a broader federal crackdown in which
  several executives from other foreign online gambling operations and
  credit-card processing companies have been indicted. Last October, Congress
  passed a law banning almost all forms of online gambling. Recently, the
  Justice Department served subpoenas for records on investment banks that
  had helped BetonSports and other online gambling companies raise money
  through public stock offerings.

  Industry observers estimate that online wagering, which had hit about $12
  billion annually, is down by as much as 50%. BetonSports has largely closed
  down operations. Federal authorities estimate that 98% of the company's
  business came from the U.S.

  The saga of BetonSports and Mr. Kaplan demonstrates how some online
  gambling sites rose fast -- and crashed hard -- by operating at, or beyond,
  the edge of the law. While Mr. Kaplan has a checkered background that
  includes run-ins with law enforcement, he may have gotten as far as he did
  in part by surrounding himself with executives like Mr. Carruthers, who
  came to BetonSports with a mainstream business background.

  Before he was an international online gambling impresario, Mr. Kaplan, a
  New York native, was a bookie and was busted in 1993 by that state's
  authorities for running an illegal sports-betting operation, according to
  his federal indictment. He moved to Florida, where he allegedly continued
  his bookmaking operation, and then on to Aruba and Antigua before later
  finally settling in San Josi. The Costa Rican capital, with light-handed
  gambling regulation and a ready work force, began attracting other online
  betting operations.

  Mr. Kaplan made a splash. He took over a nine-story office building in a
  shopping-mall complex and outfitted it with a day-care center for workers'
  kids as well as luxurious suites and a rooftop pool for visiting high
  rollers that BetonSports sometimes flew in for huge galas.

  BetonSports headquarters also housed a shooting range -- a reflection of
  Mr. Kaplan's fascination with guns and an obsession with personal security,
  say people who know him. He, his wife and two children routinely traveled
  with armed bodyguards.

  The bodyguards were, at least in part, "an ego thing," says Kenneth
  Weitzner, founder of Eye on Gambling, a Web site that tracks Internet
  gambling. Mr. Kaplan created the illusion that he thought went with a
  successful gambling operation, says Mr. Weitzner, who visited Mr. Kaplan at
  his Costa Rican operation. Another acquaintance called Mr. Kaplan "tough
  and intimidating." In one tale, he supposedly shot a computer monitor after
  BetonSports lost big on a football game.

  As BetonSports grew into one of the biggest online gambling companies, it
  tried to move mainstream. Mr. Kaplan hired veteran gambling-industry
  executives, such as Mr. Carruthers, who had worked for Ladbrokes, a major
  British wagering company. In 2004, BetonSports had an initial public
  offering in London that raised about $100 million and its stock was listed
  on a branch of the London Exchange.

  While Internet gambling is legal in many countries, the U.S. has long
  contended that it violated various federal statutes -- even before the
  specific ban was enacted last fall. Federal officials made periodic efforts
  to attack online gambling, but the companies often managed to operate
  relatively freely in the U.S. BetonSports was able to run U.S. marketing
  campaigns, including ads on 250 New York City buses in 2003.

  But even as the industry soared, federal agents were building criminal
  cases. Some of BetonSports' "customers" in 2002 and 2003 turned out to be
  undercover investigators gathering evidence that went into last year's
  indictment.

  BetonSports's name has appeared in press reports in connection with a 2005
  criminal case filed by New York City prosecutors against an allegedly
  mob-connected gambling operation that was sending bets to an entity in
  BetonSports's headquarters building in San Josi. In those articles,
  BetonSports officials said that the entity simply leased office space and
  was evicted after the indictment. BetonSports wasn't charged in the New
  York case.

  Some observers find the government's crackdown on Internet gambling
  curious, given the national explosion in gambling casinos and lotteries in
  recent years. These people wonder whether the initiative will backfire by
  pushing gamblers to less reputable operations.

  The recent criminal cases and legislation are " an anti-consumer-protection
  movement because they're eliminating the most reputable publicly traded
  companies," says Nelson Rose, a California law professor and gambling-law
  expert. In recent years, BetonSports and others, including some U.S. casino
  operators, had lobbied Congress to legalize online gambling, arguing that
  it could then be regulated and taxed.

  As for Mr. Kaplan, he is being sought by U.S. and international
  law-enforcement officials, including Interpol, whose Web site carries a
  wanted poster for him. Though his home was in Costa Rica, some believe he
  has left that country. One rumor has him and his family in Israel, there on
  an Israeli passport. If he is apprehended or returns voluntarily to the
  U.S., he will have to answer the pending charges in the St. Louis federal
  case. If convicted he could face a long prison sentence and large financial
  penalties.

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Feb 27 06:18:21 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:18:21 +0100
Subject: Surveillance Cameras Get Smarter
In-Reply-To: <789205.11765.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070227114245.GZ3288@leitl.org>
  <789205.11765.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070227141821.GF3288@leitl.org>

On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 06:08:14AM -0800, Sarad AV wrote:

> Is there anything better than a smart pair of eyes?

Yes. No smart pairs of eyes on every street corner
and lantern mast.

> Nice technology, wrong application. Security seems to
> help make big bucks, that anything you invent gets
> security to be one of its main application.

I don't understand all that panopticon drive, across the world.
I can't think of any other reason that our kings and queens are afraid.
Maybe they're smelling something in the air we yet don't.
Maybe securing one's throne succession is just in their blood.

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From awxcnx at web.de  Wed Feb 28 01:56:53 2007
From: awxcnx at web.de (Karsten N.)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:56:53 +0100
Subject: Letters from the feds
Message-ID: <mailman.1954.1576007739.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


Eugen Leitl schrieb:
> I disagree (as a parent, and a Tor operator who got a BKA case about
> pedophilia on his hands, which is still open -- at least there is yet
> no usual offical letter declaring it closed, so I take that as a negative).

I am a German tor operator too and the provider of my server got the
same BKA case. Because the provider closed my server, I asked the press
for help. The investigation of the press got the following results:

1: The BKA operation "MIKADO" was closed in the first week of January 2007.

2: Official letters declaring it was closed, were not send. If you asked
for official letter, you will get one.

3: May be, affected tor operators will be listed in a database. I do not
know more about the database, I got only a (unofficial) warning by the
investigating journalist: "There is a database and you are listed."

May be, the information about the closed BKA operation is interesting
for other operators too.

Karsten N.

----- End forwarded message -----
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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Feb 28 02:03:48 2007
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:03:48 +0100
Subject: [awxcnx@web.de: Letters from the feds]
Message-ID: <20070228100348.GB3288@leitl.org>

As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
     I've got a little list--I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
     And who never would be missed--who never would be missed!
There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs--
All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs--
All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat--
All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like _that_--
And all third persons who on spoiling tete-a-tetes insist--
     They'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed!

I'll take that as a badge of honor. Or something. Hey, any of you
posters here, ever noticed unusual scrutiny on flights, whether
domestic, or international?

----- Forwarded message from "Karsten N." <awxcnx at web.de> -----


From cute at finklfan.com  Wed Feb 28 02:48:32 2007
From: cute at finklfan.com (Valentin Barnard)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:48:32 +0200
Subject: Loan request.
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From edrigram at edri.org  Wed Feb 28 09:13:25 2007
From: edrigram at edri.org (EDRI-gram newsletter)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:13:25 +0200
Subject: EDRI-gram newsletter - Number 5.4, 28 February 2007
Message-ID: <mailman.1955.1576007739.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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           EDRI-gram

biweekly newsletter about digital civil rights in Europe

    Number 5.4, 28 February 2007


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Contents
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1. From Schengen to Pr|m: Data Protection under 3rd pillar a prerequisite
2. Censorship in Belarusian Internet cafes
3. EPLA found illegal by the EP Legal Service
4. Russian court dismisses piracy case as "trivial"
5. 24 proposals approved by the WIPO PCDA
6. DRM debate continues in Europe
7. Increased Europol powers need increased data protection policies
8. E-voting in Estonia for parliamentary elections
9. ENDitorial : EU nations scolded by IIPA
10. Recommended reading
11. Agenda
12. About

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1. From Schengen to Pr|m: Data Protection under 3rd pillar a prerequisite
============================================================

One of the main priorities of the current German presidency, the
inclusion of the Pr|m's Treaty into the EU legal framework, is likely
to be achieved before its end in 30 June 2007. During its last
meeting on 15 February the EU JHA Council agreed on incorporating
into EU legislation most of the Treaty provisions falling into the
third pillar.

This decision will create the largest pan-European network of police
database, including DNA profiles, fingerprints and other personal and
non personal data. Originally signed in May 2005 by seven EU
countries (Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg, The
Netherlands and Spain), later joined by nine others member States
(Bulgaria, Finland, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia,
Slovenia, and Sweden have announced their intention to adhere), the
Treaty has been designed under the lead of French-German cooperation
in view of "combating terrorism, cross-border crime, and illegal
immigration". The Treaty has been ratified up to now by Austria,
Germany, Luxembourg, Spain, while the French Senate adopted on 21 February a
draft ratification law.

The Treaty provisions have already been used by Germany and Austria
to check their national DNA databases against each other. Although
the Treaty future incorporation into the EU legal framework would, at
least partly, answer the main criticism of creating a hierarchy
within the EU and of circumventing the Parliament, major concerns
remain, like the assimilation of illegal migrants to terrorists,
which - to say the least - questions the principle of proportionality.

Another major concern is obviously privacy and data protection. While
mutual access to databases and exchange of information to better
fight crime and terrorism is not, in principle, illegitimate in a
regional space like the EU, making this space a true area of
"Justice, Freedom and Security" needs solid prerequisites both at the
national and at the EU level.

At the national level, police databases are endlessly growing in
member States, containing more and more very sensitive information,
especially biometric data. They are no more restricted to identifying
criminals, but are now extended to the average citizen, allowing the mapping
of their daily activities, communications and movements. They are also
characterized by high error rates, due to both fault rates intrinsic to the
used technologies and to the lack of police database updates, inter alia in
accordance with judicial outcomes of the recorded cases. Sharing such files
among 27 countries would certainly increase not only massive surveillance
but also the risk of flaws endangering innocents.

At the EU level, current legislation protecting privacy and personal
data protection has little, if any, application at the third pillar
level, while EU-level information systems in this field are
broadening. Discussions have started on a Commission proposal of a
Council Framework Decision on the protection of personal data
processed in the framework of police and judicial co-operation in
criminal matters (DPFD). However the numerous reports of the
Council's Multidisciplinary Group on Organised Crime have seriously
lowered the originally proposed level of protection, taking no
account of the Parliament and the European Data Protection Supervisor
opinions. The DPFD good proceedings have in addition been greatly
hampered by the lack of agreement between member States, to the
extent that the German presidency asked the Commission to prepare a
revised proposal. While the resulting level of protection of European
citizens' personal data is subject to future DPFD developments, a
bottom line should reasonably be that the DPFD be adopted prior to
any further development in cross-border data exchange, most notably
before the incorporation of the Pr|m's Treaty provisions into the EU
legislation.

EU JHA Council Press Release (15.02.2007)
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/ueDocs/cms_Data/docs/pressData/en/jha/92800.pd
f

Text of the Pr|m's Treaty (27.05.2005)
http://register.consilium.europa.eu/pdf/en/05/st10/st10900.en05.pdf

Center for European Policy Studies. "Security and the Two-Level Game:
The Treaty of Pr|m, the EU and the Management of Threats" (2006)
http://shop.ceps.be/BookDetail.php?item_id=1292

Statewatch updated observatory of DPFD proceedings
http://www.statewatch.eu/eu-dp.htm

(Contribution by Meryem Marzouki, EDRI-member IRIS)

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2. Censorship in Belarusian Internet cafes
============================================================

The Belarusian Council of Ministers adopted on 10 February 2007 a new act on
the Regulations on Functioning of the Computer Clubs and Internet Cafes that
will impose new censorship rules on all the persons that use the public
Internet access points.

According to the new regulations, Internet cafe owners or their authorized
agents must keep an electronic registry of the domain names of the sites
accessed by users. The electronic log should contain at least a 12-month
history of all connections. State Security agents, police or state control
inspectors are authorized to review the log in the cases listed by the
legislation.

In cases of suspicion of infringement of this law, the Internet cafe
management should inform the law enforcement bodies about such events.

The computer clubs and Internet cafes are not allowed to use programs
propagating the cult of violence, cruelty and pornography, or disseminate
banned information.

The Belarusian Government has very easy ways to regulate the Internet
activity within the country, since the only Internet provider is the
governmental Beltelecom organization, according to Reporters Without
Borders.

Belarusian government adopts regulations on computer clubs and internet
cafes (15.02.2007)
http://www.e-belarus.org/news/200702151.html

Byelorussia tightens control over internet (15.02.2007)
http://eng.cnews.ru/news/top/indexEn.shtml?2007/02/15/236077

(Thanks to Mikhail Doroshevich - e-belarus.org)

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3. EPLA found illegal by the EP Legal Service
============================================================

The Legal Service which advises the European Parliament (EP) on legal issues
and acts as its representative in court, found the Patent Litigation
Agreement  (EPLA) as illegal being in direct contradictions with the
European law and several EU treaties.

The very controversial EPLA, if adopted, would bind the signatory states to
a common legal system for patent disputes, including procedural rules and a
European Patent Court that would supersede national courts.

The critics of the proposal have expressed concern that such a system would
make the patent awarding more expensive and less accountable.

In October 2006, MEPs voted to postpone any decision on approving EPLA, and
called for "significant improvements" to the text. EP has also asked from
its Legal Service to give its advice on the possible overlap between the
EPLA and the acquis communautaire.

The EP Legal Service concluded that EPLA provisions are in direct conflict
with the EC Treaty which says that: "member states undertake not to
submit a dispute concerning the interpretation or application of this Treaty
to any method of settlement other than those provided for therein," meaning
that disputes between EU member states on matters of EU law should be
resolved exclusively by the European Court of Justice.

In contradiction to this provision, Article 98 of the proposed EPLA says:
"any dispute between Contracting States concerning the interpretation or
application of this Agreement which is not settled by negotiation shall be
submitted, at the request of one of the States concerned, to the
Administrative Committee, which shall endeavour to bring about agreements
between the states concerned"

The Legal Service opinion says that member states are not allowed to make an
agreement between themselves concerning issues covered by EU laws and
treaties, especially when such agreements could affect relations with
countries outside the EU.
"Where common rules have been adopted, the member states of the European
Community no longer have the right, acting individually or even
collectively, to undertake obligations with non-member countries which
affect those rules".

According to the Legal Service, the EPLA is also in contradiction with IPRED
Directive (Directive 2004/48/EC) already dealing with intellectual property.
"Not only would EPLA govern matters already dealt with by this Directive,
but there are also contradictions between the two instruments on a number of
matters".

The conclusion of the EP Legal Service is that EPLA is not valid: "The
Community's competence is exclusive for the matters governed by EPLA and
Member States therefore are not entitled on their own to conclude that
Agreement".

European Parliament blocks patent agreement (15.02.2007)
http://www.out-law.com/page-7771

European Parliament's Legal Service Says EPLA Is Illegal (21.02.07)
http://www.tax-news.com/asp/story/story_open.asp?storyname=26443

Rough Weather Ahead For EPLA (11.02.2007)
http://www.ipjur.com/2007/02/rough-weather-ahead-for-epla.php3

EDRI-gram: The European Parliament ready to vote on EPLA (11.10.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.19/epla

EDRI-gram: ENDitorial - Regulating the Patent Industry (25.10.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.20/patents

============================================================
4. Russian court dismisses piracy case as "trivial"
============================================================

A Russian court has dismissed a penal case against a Russian teacher,
Alexander Ponosov, that bought computers for its school with unauthorized
Microsoft programs. The case become well-known when the former Soviet
president Gorbachev made a public appeal to Bill Gates, asking to intervene
in this case.

Ponosov was charged in a penal case by the Russian prosecutors of copyright
law violations, considering that it had caused damages of 7 600 euros. The
maximum sentence forseen by the Russian copyright law for this major
violation is five-year inprisonment. The Russian teacher (but also
principal) of a small town in the Ural Mountains was found to have bought 12
computers with unauthorized Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office.

The case become notorious in Russia and worldwide when Gorbachev's
foundation made a open letter to Bill Gates asking him to intervene in this
case :
"A teacher, who has dedicated his life to the education of children and who
receives a modest salary that does not bear comparison with the salaries of
even regular staff in your company, is threatened with detention in Siberian
prison camps."

The case was condemned also by Vladimir Putin, president of Russia, that
said : "To grab someone for buying a computer somewhere and start
threatening him with prison is complete nonsense, simply ridiculous. The law
recognizes the concept of someone who purchased the product in good faith."

However, Microsoft refused to intervene in this case and stated that they
were sure that the Russian courts would "make a fair decision. Mr Ponosov's
case is a criminal case and as such was initiated and investigated by the
public prosecutor's office."

The Vereshchaginsky District Court dismissed the case on 15 February
2007 due to the "insignificant degree of the damage" caused to Microsoft,
considering it as "trivial". However, the state prosecutors said they might
appeal the decision since the term "insignificant degree of damage" does not
exist in the Russian Criminal Code. Also, Posonov wanted an appeal since he
was not found not guilty.

Russia is still listed by BSA in the top 10 of worst offending countries for
counterfeit software. The Russian authorities admit they have
a problem, but also put part of the blame on the large software vendors for
their restrictive and expensive licensing policies. The Russian deputy IT
minister, Dmitry Milovantsev, pointed to the Microsoft policy of not
allowing partners to sell computers without copies of Windows pre-installed
in Russia.

Court smack down for Russian piracy epic (15.02.2007)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/15/russia_microsoft_piracy/

Russia attacks Microsoft licensing costs (19.02.2007)
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,1000000308,39285968,00.htm

Ponosov case to be reopened ? (26.02.2007)
http://eng.cnews.ru/news/top/indexEn.shtml?2007/02/26/237720

============================================================
5. 24 proposals approved by the WIPO PCDA
============================================================

During a special session between 19-23 February 2007, the Provisional
Committee on Proposals Related to a World Intellectual Property Organization
(WIPO) Development Agenda (PCDA) approved some proposals meant to improve
the development of the organization.

The proposal for a WIPO Development Agenda started in 2004 with Argentina
and Brazil which has been formally supported by 13 other Friends of
Development since then.

Forty proposals of a total of 111 produced during the last two years,
gathered on subject matter groupings referred to as "clusters," were
negotiated, resulting at the end of the session in 24 agreed proposals.

The agreed proposals include technical assistance approaches and
assessments, evaluation and impact studies. They support participatory
rulemaking within WIPO and a mild reform of WIPO's mandate and governance.
Some refer to the expansion of WIPO's involvement in IT&C technologies and
access to knowledge and some to the preservation and study of the public
domain, one of the most controversial subjects of the session.

One of the proposal approved was the approach by WIPO of "intellectual
property enforcement in the context of broader societal interests and
especially development-oriented concerns", with a view that "the protection
and enforcement of intellectual property rights should contribute to the
promotion of technological innovation and to the transfer and dissemination
of technology, to the mutual advantage of producers and users of
technological knowledge and in a manner conducive to social and economic
welfare, and to a balance of rights and obligations".

The next and final PCDA meeting for this year will be held in June 2007 when
the rest of 71 proposals will be discussed. Participants consider it will be
more difficult to reach an agreement on the remaining proposals as they
involve bigger reform issues such as the one related to WIPO's legislative
advice to developing and least-developed countries. The outcomes from both
sessions will be correlated and passed on to the WIPO General Assembly which
will decide on how to proceed at its annual meeting in September 2007.

Text-Based Negotiations On A WIPO Development Agenda Pick Up Pace
(22.02.2007)
http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/index.php?p=549&res=1024_ff&print=0

Provisional Committee on Proposals Related to a WIPO Development Agenda
Third Session, February 19-23, 2007, Geneva, Switzerland
http://www.cptech.org/ip/wipo/pcda/

WIPO Committee Approves Proposals For Development Agenda (23.02.2007)
http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/index.php?p=550&res=1024_ff&print=0

Member States make significant headway in work on a WIPO Development Agenda
(26.02.2007)
http://www.wipo.int/edocs/prdocs/en/2007/wipo_pr_2007_478.html

============================================================
6. DRM debate continues in Europe
============================================================

On 19 February 2007, the UK Government rejected an online petition initiated
by blogger Neil Holmes and signed by 1,414 people asking for the
interdiction of DRM (Digital Rights Management), arguing DRM systems deprive
the consumers of their freedom of choice between competing products for CDs
or digital download.

The UK government rejected the petition answering that DRM could bring value
to consumers as it did not only act as a protection system but "also enables
content companies to offer the consumer unprecedented choice in terms of how
they consume content, and the corresponding price they wish to pay".

As regarding the rights of the consumers, the UK government considers that
"It is reasonable for consumers to be informed what is actually being
offered for sale, for example, and how and where the purchaser will be able
to use the product, and any restrictions applied".

The DRM question continues to be a hot debate in Europe. Becky Hogge,
executive director at the UK Open Rights Group, thinks "DRM had been seen in
the past as a niche technology issue, but there is now rising consumer
awareness about it". She also stated that some DRM technologies place
restrictions that infringe the users' rights according to the U.K. copyright
law. "DRM attempts to enforce copyright, but it does it badly," said Hogge.

Germany's Federal Ministry of Food, Agriculture and Consumer Protection,
together with consumer organizations have drawn up a "Charter for Consumer
Sovereignty in the Digital World," calling on operators of Web music shops
such as Apple to open up their closed systems. The charter draft is said to
be presented in March 2007 at a conference of European consumer protection
ministers.

The earlier plans of some music labels to provide music without DRM could be
with no real consequences since recently EMI broken off talks about offering
DRM-free music via the downloading services. One of the reasons was
apparently the large upfront payments requested by EMO from the online
stores.

U.K. government rejects calls for DRM ban (20.02.2007)
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,1000000308,39285993,00.htm

Apple & Co. threatened with opening clauses for online music shop DRM
(19.02.2007)
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/85515

EMI: DRM stays (26.02.2007)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/26/emi_drm_talks_breakup/

EDRI-gram: iTunes under continuous attack in Europe (31.01.2007)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number5.2/itunes

EDRI-gram : Is DRM fading out ? (17.01.2007)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number5.1/drm

============================================================
7. Increased Europol powers need increased data protection policies
============================================================

Peter Hustinx, the European Data Protection Supervisor (EDPS) considers that
the changes on the legal basis of Europe's police (Europol) proposed by the
European Parliament meant to increase its powers have to be accompanied by
proper data protection rules.

The European Parliament has proposed changes that would increase Europol
powers in order to fight radical Islamic terrorism, considered as the
highest threat to the security in Europe.

The EDPS thinks that, before increasing these powers, Europol data
protection policies and data exchange rules should be more consistent and
fair.

"We have to make sure that exchange with other EU bodies, such as OLAF (the
European Anti Fraud Agency), will be based on a consistent level of data
protection and good co-operation in supervision," said Hustinx.

Some of his recommendations were that specific conditions and limitations
should be included in the decision regarding information obtained from
private parties, to ensure the accuracy of these data. Strict conditions and
guarantees should be applied in cases of interoperability with other
processing systems.

He also recommended that data processing should be limited to the relevance
assessment for personal data for which the relevance has not been assessed
and that safeguards should be provided for the access to data of people with
no criminal records.

"Computerised access and retrieval of data from other national and
international information systems should be allowed only on a case by case
basis, under strict conditions." Hustinx advised.

He also believes that if Europol gets involved in pan-European data sharing,
guarantees must be provided on the independence of its data protection
officer who is responsible for Europol's lawful data processing.

The EDPS ended his statement by stating he would himself "oversee any
information transfer to Europol from European Commission institutions".

New Europol powers need new protection, says watchdog (22.02.2007)
http://www.out-law.com/page-7798

Opinion of the European Data Protection Supervisor on the Proposal for a
Council Decision establishing the European Police Office (16.02.2007)
http://www.edps.europa.eu/EDPSWEB/webdav/site/mySite/shared/Documents/Consult
ation/Opinions/2007/07-02-16_Europol_EN.pdf

============================================================
8. E-voting in Estonia for parliamentary elections
============================================================

Estonia is the first nation in the world that will allow voting via the
Internet during its elections for the Parliament (Riigikogu). The voting
will take place on 4 March 2007, but the electronic vote will be cast from
26 February at 9 AM until 28 February 8 PM.

The system was tested first in the limited local elections in October 2005,
when almost 10 000 people voted via the Internet. The number of Internet
voters for these elections is estimated to increase to 20-40 000 voters, out
of the 940 000.

The system for Internet voting is based on the mandatory state-issued ID
card, that includes an electronic chip. The ID card can be used by
introducing it in a reader attached to a computer and using 2 passwords. The
reader is commercially available for prices from 6.37 to 12.73 euros.

The Estonian people already use their ID cards to sign electronic
documents or access online banking solutions. It is estimated that almost
one million ID cards with electronic chips are in use, in a country with 1.3
million inhabitants.

The ballot will be scrutinized by an OSCE election assessment mission, that
includes several Internet voting experts that will follow the e-voting
process.

Surprisingly, the OSCE mission includes an expert from the Netherlands that
might have links with SDU, the e-voting system of which was banned from the
last Dutch election.

Estonians will be first to allow Internet votes in national election
(22.02.2007)
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/22/business/evote.php

Assessment of parliamentary elections in Estonia
http://www.osce.org/odihr-elections/item_12_23355.html

Estonian National Electoral Committee
http://www.vvk.ee/engindex.html

Page for Electronic Voting for Estonian Parliamentary elections
http://www.valimised.ee/index_eng.html

Electronic voting in Estonia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_Estonia

EDRI-gram: European e-voting machines cracked by Dutch group (11.10.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.19/e-voting

============================================================
9. ENDitorial : EU nations scolded by IIPA
============================================================

The International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA), a lobby
group representing the American publishing, software, recording and
movie industries, has been busy. On 12 February IIPA published its
recommendations to the US Trade Representative's 2007 review of
global copyright laws. This "Special 301" procedure can lead to
significant trade sanctions against countries that are judged to be
uncooperative in the US drive for ever stronger intellectual property
rights. It has been used over the last two decades to bully
developing nations into signing quite inappropriate IP agreements
such as the World Trade Organisation's TRIPS and "TRIPS plus" Free
Trade Agreements with the US.

IIPA identifies a long list of nations that it considers to be
placing social goals such as fighting major crime, improving
education and protecting privacy above the profits of its members. As
Michael Geist points out, they include 23 of the world's 30 most
populous nations. Embarrassingly, while the list includes many
leading economies such as Canada and Japan, it leaves out EU nations
including the UK, France and Germany.

To their credit, ten EU nations are included in IIPA's hit list,
which makes some extraordinary demands.  Greece is told that
immigrant street vendors involved in copyright infringement should be
deported and that tax authorities should audit software licences for
all firms. Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania are scolded for
concentrating police, prosecutor and judicial attention on their
societies' most pressing problems rather than on cases of copyright
infringement, while Latvia is warned that it must fully staff its new
IPR enforcement police division.  Lithuania and Poland are also
instructed to increase Customs operations against the import of
infringing goods. Italy, Greece, Poland and Sweden are criticised for
privacy laws that prevent ISPs disclosing the identity of their
customers to right holders based upon an Internet Protocol address.
Sweden is admonished for "society's high acceptance of filesharing"
and its "notoriety as a piracy safe haven" - and yet right holders
are "deeply concerned" about discussion of a compulsory licence to
provide artists with compensation for filesharing.  Poland's
universities and lecturers are instructed to "cultivate a climate of
respect for copyright" amongst their students, and Hungary told to
"closely monitor" its high-speed academic network for copyright
infringement. Spain's prosecutors, judges and law students apparently
need some re-education in the value of intellectual property rights,
while the Spanish government is ordered to reverse the "stunning"
decision of the General Public Prosecutor that his staff have more
pressing concerns than the criminal prosecution of peer-to-peer
downloaders.

One of IIPA's most consistent complaints is about the protection
given by European countries to anti-copying Digital Rights Management
technology. IIPA wrongly claims that the World Intellectual Property
Organisation's Internet treaties require countries to implement US-
style rigid protection of DRM . They criticise countries including
Italy, Romania, Sweden and Poland for implementing the EU Copyright
Directive in a way that gives their citizens some flexibility over
breaking these locks when copyright law allows. Canada, Hong Kong,
India, Israel, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand, Switzerland and South
Korea are also criticised for their DRM laws.

It is not surprising that US companies lobby to change global laws
that would increase their profits. On past performance, the US
government is likely to take careful note of their recommendations.
But European nations should robustly defend their right to shape
copyright policy to meet the needs of their own citizens, and not
just those of large copyright holders.

IIPA - Recommendations on 60 countries to USTR in the 2007 Special 301
review on copyright piracy and market access problems (12.02.2007)
http://www.iipa.com/2007_SPEC301_TOC.htm

Peter Drahos and John Braithwaite, "Information Feudalism" -New York: W. W.
Norton & Co., 2002.

Michael Geist - "In Good Company'" (14.02.2007)
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1679/125/

Ian Brown - "The evolution of anti-circumvention law" - International Review
of Law, Computers and Technology 20(3), 239-260.
http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/I.Brown/anti-circ.pdf

Urs Gasser and Silke Ernst, "Best Practice Guide: Implementing the EU
Copyright Directive in the Digital Age"  (12.2006)
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/home/uploads/1112/EUCD_Best_Practice_Guide_Decem
ber_2006.pdf

(contribution by Ian Brown - EDRI-member Open Rights Group)

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10. Recommended reading
============================================================

Ross Anderson -  "The Economics of Information Security: A Survey and Open
Questions"
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/toulouse-summary.pdf
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Presentations/econsec_toulouse.ppt
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~twm29/science-econ.pdf

Statewatch analysis: The dream of total data collection - status quo and
future plans for EU information systems
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2007/feb/eu-databases.pdf

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11. Agenda
============================================================

13-14 March 2007 Brussels, Belgium
The EU RFID Forum 2007
http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/rfid/conference2007_reg/index_
en.htm

16 March 2007, Hannover, Germany
European Commission conference on Mobile TV at CeBIT
http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/events/cebit_07/index_en.htm

1-4 May 2007, Montreal, Canada
7th Conference on Computers, Freedom, and Privacy (CFP2007)
http://www.cfp2007.org/live/

18-19 May 2007, Brasov, Romania
eLiberatica - The Benefits of Open and Free Technologies - Romanian IT Open
Source and Free Software Conference
http://www.eliberatica.ro/

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From: dalekimroblxwit at johnson-tiles.com (Sherryl)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:19:23 +0600
Subject: Didnt Understand It
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From midcohendgyw at rima-tde.net  Wed Feb 28 09:30:46 2007
From: midcohendgyw at rima-tde.net (Conchita Mccoy)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:30:46 +0600
Subject: Long Time
Message-ID: <fd0901c75b90$78fb6cb0$d1e79cde@midcohendgyw>




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From sendtipsig at hinet.net  Wed Feb 28 19:00:56 2007
From: sendtipsig at hinet.net (Rossana)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:00:56 +1100
Subject: Heya Friend
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