[dave at farber.net: [IP] NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls]

[Tyler Durden]

Yes, I've wondered about that too. What dooes it look like when the NSA tell 
you to turn over records? Do they do so verbally? Is there a document? Is 
there anything made to look like you "have to turn over the records by law"?

And when the individuals in AT&T, etc...agreed, didn't they have some kind 
of documentation to show that "They told us to turn over the records and we 
thought we were required to".

What I suspect is that they don't have anything that looks like anything 
more than a request.

Someone "Needs killin"...

-TD


>From: coderman <coderman at gmail.com>
>To: "Tyler Durden" <camera_lumina at hotmail.com>
>CC: eugen at leitl.org, cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Re: [dave at farber.net: [IP] NSA has massive database of Americans' 
>phone calls]
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:56:45 -0700
>
>On 5/11/06, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>No surprise, really.
>
>actually, there was one detail which surprised me:
>"""Among the big telecommunications companies, only Qwest has refused
>to help the NSA, the sources said. According to multiple sources,
>Qwest declined to participate because it was uneasy about the legal
>implications of handing over customer information to the government
>without warrants...
>
>According to sources familiar with the events, Qwest's CEO at the
>time, Joe Nacchio, was deeply troubled by the NSA's assertion that
>Qwest didn't need a court order  or approval under FISA  to
>proceed...
>
>Trying to put pressure on Qwest, NSA representatives pointedly told
>Qwest that it was the lone holdout among the big telecommunications
>companies. It also tried appealing to Qwest's patriotic side: In one
>meeting, an NSA representative suggested that Qwest's refusal to
>contribute to the database could compromise national security, one
>person recalled.
>
>In addition, the agency suggested that Qwest's foot-dragging might
>affect its ability to get future classified work with the government.
>Like other big telecommunications companies, Qwest already had
>classified contracts and hoped to get more."""
>
>
>>And of course, no one's asking what it means when NSA says they haven't
>>"read" the message. Does this mean by a human?
>
>of course. computers can't read ;)
>
>
>i'm still lusting for financial full disclosure: "... The sources said
>the NSA made clear that it was willing to pay for the cooperation." ,
>maybe in a decade or two..