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From rah at shipwright.com  Sun Jul  2 08:50:25 2006
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:50:25 -0400
Subject: [Clips] Copycatty Coulter Pilfers Prose: Pro
Message-ID: <p06230926c0cd995f325c@[68.167.57.91]>

...Another addition to the "concordance is a bitch" file

Apparently it was neither the cigarettes nor the chardonnay, but Ms.
Coulter's Lexis/Nexis habit that finally caught up with her.

Cheers,
RAH
Still a fan of great satire, nonetheless. Agree with the notion that
"Godless", et al., are the moral equivalent of "A Modest Proposal".
------

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  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:36:43 -0400
  To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] Copycatty Coulter Pilfers Prose: Pro
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com


<http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/copycatty_coulter_pilfers_prose__pro_nationalnews_philip_recchia.htm>

  The New York Post



  COPYCATTY COULTER PILFERS PROSE: PRO

  By PHILIP RECCHIA
  ANN COULTER

  July 2, 2006 -- Conservative scribe Ann Coulter cribbed liberally in her
  latest book, "Godless," according to a plagiarism expert.

  John Barrie, the creator of a leading plagiarism-recognition system,
  claimed he found at least three instances of what he calls "textbook
  plagiarism" in the leggy blond pundit's "Godless: the Church of Liberalism"
  after he ran the book's text through the company's digital iThenticate
  program.

  He also says he discovered verbatim lifts in Coulter's weekly column, which
  is syndicated to more than 100 newspapers, including the Fort Lauderdale
  (Fla.) Sun-Sentinel and Augusta (Ga.) Chronicle.

  Barrie, CEO of iParadigms, told The Post that one 25-word passage from the
  "Godless" chapter titled "The Holiest Sacrament: Abortion" appears to have
  been lifted nearly word for word from Planned Parenthood literature
  published at least 18 months before Coulter's 281-page book was released.

  A separate, 24-word string from the chapter "The Creation Myth" appeared
  about a year earlier in the San Francisco Chronicle with just one word
  change - "stacked" was changed to "piled."

  Another 33-word passage that appears five pages into "Godless" allegedly
  comes from a 1999 article in the Portland (Maine) Press Herald.

  Meanwhile, many of the 344 citations Coulter includes in "Godless" "are
  very misleading," said Barrie, who holds a Ph.D. from the University of
  California at Berkeley, where he specialized in pattern recognition.

  "They're used purely to try and give the book a higher level of credibility
  - as if it's an academic work. But her sloppiness in failing to properly
  attribute many other passages strips it of nearly all its academic merits,"
  he told The Post.

  Barrie says he also ran Coulter's Universal Press columns from the past 12
  months through iThenticate and found similar patterns of cribbing.

  Her Aug. 3, 2005, column, "Read My Lips: No New Liberals," about U.S.
  Supreme Court Justice David Souter, includes six passages, ranging from 10
  to 48 words each, that appeared 15 years earlier in the same order in an
  L.A. Times article, headlined "Liberals Leery as New Clues Surface on
  Souter's Views."

  But nowhere in that column does she mention the L.A. Times or the story's
  writer, David G. Savage.

  Her June 29, 2005, column, "Thou Shalt Not Commit Religion," incorporates
  10 facts on National Endowment for the Arts-funded work that originally
  appeared in the same order in a 1991 Heritage Foundation report, "The
  National Endowment for the Arts: Misusing Taxpayers' Money." But again, the
  Heritage Foundation isn't credited.

  "Just as Coulter plays free and loose with her citations in 'Godless,' she
  obviously does the same in her columns," Barrie said.

  Coulter did not respond to requests for comment.

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  The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
  44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
  "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
  [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
  experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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-- 
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R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




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From rah at shipwright.com  Sun Jul  2 15:27:00 2006
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:27:00 -0400
Subject: [Clips] Spy Agency Sought U.S. Call Records Before 9/11,
  Lawyers  Say
Message-ID: <p06230939c0cdf8ae8932@[68.167.57.91]>

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  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:13:13 -0400
  To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] Spy Agency Sought U.S. Call Records Before 9/11, Lawyers Say
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com

  <http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&refer=&sid=abIV0cO64zJE>

  Bloomberg

  Spy Agency Sought U.S. Call Records Before 9/11, Lawyers Say

  June 30 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to
  help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the
  Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in
  New York federal court.

  The allegation is part of a court filing adding AT&T, the nation's largest
  telephone company, as a defendant in a breach of privacy case filed earlier
  this month on behalf of Verizon Communications Inc. and BellSouth Corp.
  customers. The suit alleges that the three carriers, the NSA and President
  George W. Bush violated the Telecommunications Act of 1934 and the U.S.
  Constitution, and seeks money damages.

  ``The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after 9/11,''
  plaintiff's lawyer Carl Mayer said in a telephone interview. ``This
  undermines that assertion.''

  The lawsuit is related to an alleged NSA program to record and store data
  on calls placed by subscribers. More than 30 suits have been filed over
  claims that the carriers, the three biggest U.S. telephone companies,
  violated the privacy rights of their customers by cooperating with the NSA
  in an effort to track alleged terrorists.

  ``The U.S. Department of Justice has stated that AT&T may neither confirm
  nor deny AT&T's participation in the alleged NSA program because doing so
  would cause `exceptionally grave harm to national security' and would
  violate both civil and criminal statutes,'' AT&T spokesman Dave Pacholczyk
  said in an e-mail.

  U.S. Department of Justice spokesman Charles Miller and NSA spokesman Don
  Weber declined to comment.

  Pioneer Groundbreaker

  The NSA initiative, code-named ``Pioneer Groundbreaker,'' asked AT&T unit
  AT&T Solutions to build exclusively for NSA use a network operations center
  which duplicated AT&T's Bedminster, New Jersey facility, the court papers
  claimed. That plan was abandoned in favor of the NSA acquiring the
  monitoring technology itself, plaintiffs' lawyers Bruce Afran said.

  The NSA says on its Web site that in June 2000, the agency was seeking bids
  for a project to ``modernize and improve its information technology
  infrastructure.'' The plan, which included the privatization of its
  ``non-mission related'' systems support, was said to be part of Project
  Groundbreaker.

  Mayer said the Pioneer project is ``a different component'' of that
initiative.

  Mayer and Afran said an unnamed former employee of the AT&T unit provided
  them with evidence that the NSA approached the carrier with the proposed
  plan. Afran said he has seen the worker's log book and independently
  confirmed the source's participation in the project. He declined to
  identify the employee.

  Stop Suit

  On June 9, U.S. District Court Judge P. Kevin Castel in New York stopped
  the lawsuit from moving forward while the Federal Judicial Panel on
  Multidistrict Litigation in Washington rules on a U.S. request to assign
  all related telephone records lawsuits to a single judge.

  Robert Varettoni, a spokesman for Verizon, said he was unaware of the
  allegations against AT&T and declined to comment.

  Earlier this week, he issued a statement on behalf of the company that
  Verizon had not been asked by the NSA to provide customer phone records
  from either its hard-wired or wireless networks. Verizon also said that it
  couldn't confirm or deny ``whether it has any relationship to the
  classified NSA program.''

  Mayer's lawsuit was filed following a May 11 USA Today report that the U.S.
  government was using the NSA to monitor domestic telephone calls. Earlier
  today, USA Today said it couldn't confirm its contention that BellSouth or
  Verizon had contracts with the NSA to provide a database of domestic
  customer phone call records.

  Jeff Battcher, a spokesman for Atlanta-based BellSouth, said that
  vindicated the company.

  ``We never turned over any records to the NSA,'' he said in a telephone
  interview. ``We've been clear all along that they've never contacted us.
  Nobody in our company has ever had any contact with the NSA.''

  The case is McMurray v. Verizon Communications Inc., 06cv3650, in the
  Southern District of New York.


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  R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
  The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
  44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
  "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
  [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
  experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
  _______________________________________________
  Clips mailing list
  Clips at philodox.com
  http://www.philodox.com/mailman/listinfo/clips

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-- 
-----------------
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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




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From gbnewby at pglaf.org  Mon Jul  3 13:18:15 2006
From: gbnewby at pglaf.org (Greg Newby)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:18:15 -0700
Subject: HOPE Number Six schedule posted
Message-ID: <20060703201815.GA1531@pglaf.org>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

July 3, 2006 CONTACT: press at 2600.com +1 631 474 2677

2600 Magazine - The Hacker Quarterly is pleased to announce our upcoming
conference, HOPE Number Six, taking place in New York from July 21st to
23rd, 2006. HOPE stands for Hackers On Planet Earth, and these
conferences have become a gathering point for thousands of computer
hackers, phone phreaks, net activists, government spooks, and a whole
lot of curious people from all corners of the globe. The HOPE
conferences have been running since 1994.

HOPE Number Six will bring thousands of hackers together in the middle
of Manhattan for three complete days of speakers, demos, videos, and
workshops. Conference space in the Hotel Pennsylvania (Seventh Avenue
and 32nd Street, across from Penn Station) will be transformed into a
nexus for learning about hacker culture and seeing what hackers have
been working on lately. HOPE Number Six is open to anyone interested in
learning and participating.

The conference program includes three packed days of speakers with two
main speaker tracks and a third track scheduled on-site. Additional
space has been set aside for presentations, demonstrations, and
workshops. We will have a variety of vendors at the conference, and the
whole space will be connected by a huge computer network with extremely
high bandwidth.

Highlights include talks by free software pioneer Richard Stallman,
former punk rock singer turned spoken word artist Jello Biafra, the
former "most dangerous hacker in the world" Kevin Mitnick, Project
Gutenberg founder Michael Hart, former CIA operative Robert Steele, and
acclaimed private eye Steven Rambam.

Over 100 speakers will have presentations on a variety of topics
including computer hacking, phone phreaking, legal issues, wiretapping,
cryptography, urban exploring, lockpicking, and spying. In addition we
will present the return of a favorite panel: social engineering - or how
to get sensitive information from people who really ought to know
better. A live demonstration of how to do this is planned.

Additional talks include how to decode New York City's MetroCard, hacker
filmmaking techniques, and even a discussion of hacker cooking. A panel
of famous hackers who have gone to prison is also scheduled as is a
study of the European hacker scene. And, in a first, there will be a
"broadcast" of the WBAI hacker radio show "Off The Hook" in "indecent
mode," designed to demonstrate the absurdity of current FCC policies.

The New York debut of the Geek Comedy Tour 3000 will also be showcased
as will the world premiere of "Urchin," a feature length movie starring
several cast members from the hacker world. "The Lost Film Festival," a
three hour, culture jamming video showcase will return after being
featured at our last conference in 2004.

But speakers are only one part of the HOPE conference. Throughout the
huge complex, there will be such activities as Segway riding games, a
Capture The Flag competition, a showcase of ancient computer systems
known as retrocomputing, dramatic demonstrations of what Voice over IP
technology is capable of, and an Internet connection faster than any
ever seen at a hacker conference in the United States (more than 30
times faster than our last conference). Public terminals will also be on
hand for those who don't bring their own computers to tie into the
network.

Running parallel to the HOPE conference on Saturday afternoon is the
Palltech Seminar, an intensive series of talks designed for
investigators, private eyes, law enforcement, and anyone else who's
interested. All of the speakers from this seminar will also appear at a
HOPE panel entitled "Privacy Is Dead - Get Over It."

Hackers are curious people who live to learn and share information with
others. Periodically, hackers like to meet up with like-minded people to
learn from each other. At every HOPE conference, a whole new generation
of hackers has been inspired to pursue knowledge and work on creative
projects. Non-hackers also come to HOPE and learn from the hackers. New
friendships and alliances are formed, and the world is hopefully changed
ever so slightly for the better. Each HOPE conference is unique and
incorporates new themes. HOPE has changed and grown substantially since
the first conference, and this one is going to be different from the
previous one. But one thing remains constant: it will be a fun and
memorable event.

To view the conference schedule, register for the conference, or get
further information, visit http://www.hopenumbersix.net

***

About 2600 Magazine: 2600, The Hacker Quarterly, has been in print since
1984. With a circulation of over 80,000, it is the voice of hackers in
the U.S. and beyond. 2600 Magazine has been organizing the HOPE
conferences since 1994. For other information, visit http://www.2600.com




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  4 09:07:37 2006
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 12:07:37 -0400
Subject: Scott Marcus Declaration
In-Reply-To: <E1Fuyp8-0006xj-00@pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F32EE86B824DD8A9EDEC2F49B710@phx.gbl>

In case it's not well-known, an LGX is a Lightguide Distribution 
shelf...that's a passive box with lots of optical couplers in it...they can 
have 60 or more depending on the density. The splitter is normally placed 
behind the box, it's input and two outputs marked on the front. In general, 
most optical equipment is never directly connected to each other but 
connected through the LGX, otherwise things get unamangeable in the CO.

-TD


>From: John Young <jya at pipeline.com>
>To: coderman <coderman at gmail.com>, cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Re: Scott Marcus Declaration
>Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:39:28 -0700
>
>I don't know who else may be working on restoring redactions.
>
>Just pick a heavily redacted paragraph or page and post it here,
>retaining the paragraph number. We're moving very slowly on it.
>
>Exhibit A is not identifiable.
>
>Based on references by Marcus:
>
>Klein Exhibit B appears to be Wired's release of Klein's
>"Study Group 3, LGX/Splitter Wiring, San Francisco,
>Issue 1, 12/20/2002." This 4-page excerpt appears to be
>taken from a longer, 40-page document referred to by Marcus.
>
>Klein Exhibit C appears to be Wired's release of Klein's
>"SIMS, Splitter Cut-In and Test Procedures, Issue 2,
>01/13/03." This is a 4-page document.
>
>Most of the Klein and ATT documents are in this file:
>
>   http://cryptome.org/klein-decl.htm
>
>Or linked,  where we made an earlier stab at restoring Klein's
>redactions
>
>Or the Exhibits B and C can be downloaded at Wired, Ryan
>Singel's blog.
>
>The recent Scott Marcus declaration, as noted earlier, is here:
>
>   http://cryptome.org/scott-marcus.pdf
>
>Klein's statement released through his lawyer is in the
>Cryptome file as well, or can be downloaded from Wired,
>Ryan Singel's blog.
>
>A lot of the Marcus redactions concern "SG3" and "LGX,"
>with SG3 customarily used with "Configuration." LGX
>usually refers to the "LGX room" or "LGX/Splitter" project.
>
>As Marcus notes, LGX is short for LGX/Splitter.
>
>After chewing the bone, it looks as though most of the stuff
>can be recovered or PG guessed.




From non_secure at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  4 14:42:25 2006
From: non_secure at yahoo.com (Jason Arnaute)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:42:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Possible to verify NK launch ?  Is any communication possible ?
Message-ID: <20060704214225.54171.qmail@web51013.mail.yahoo.com>

TV says NK has launched some missiles.

If I am not in the Sea of Japan, or in NK, etc., how
could I possibly verify that this is true, given the
near blackout of information into and out of NK ?

I don't want (at least not in this thread) to discuss
the possibility that it did not occur, but I _do_ want
to discuss the short term and long term mechanisms by
which I could decide whether it occurred.  Public
radar ?  Weather radar ?  Some tourist on a boat ?  Is
there any reason to expect that at some point I could
make an informed decision about this ?

My second question is, does anyone talk to anyone in
NK ?  Do they have mail ?  Do they have phones ?  If I
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From brett at lariat.org  Wed Jul  5 01:44:06 2006
From: brett at lariat.org (Brett Glass)
Date: July 5, 2006 1:44:06 AM EDT
Subject: For IP: Spying on phone calls started *before 9/11*
Message-ID: <mailman.1802.1576007694.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Spy Agency Sought U.S. Call Records Before 9/11, Lawyers Say

June 30 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T
Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months
before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court
papers filed in New York federal court.

The allegation is part of a court filing adding AT&T, the nation's
largest telephone company, as a defendant in a breach of privacy case
filed earlier this month on behalf of Verizon Communications Inc. and
BellSouth Corp. customers. The suit alleges that the three carriers,
the NSA and President George W. Bush violated the Telecommunications
Act of 1934 and the U.S. Constitution, and seeks money damages.

``The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after
9/11,'' plaintiff's lawyer Carl Mayer said in a telephone interview.
``This undermines that assertion.''

The lawsuit is related to an alleged NSA program to record and store
data on calls placed by subscribers. More than 30 suits have been
filed over claims that the carriers, the three biggest U.S. telephone
companies, violated the privacy rights of their customers by
cooperating with the NSA in an effort to track alleged terrorists.

``The U.S. Department of Justice has stated that AT&T may neither
confirm nor deny AT&T's participation in the alleged NSA program
because doing so would cause `exceptionally grave harm to national
security' and would violate both civil and criminal statutes,'' AT&T
spokesman Dave Pacholczyk said in an e-mail.

U.S. Department of Justice spokesman Charles Miller and NSA spokesman
Don Weber declined to comment.

More at: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?
pid=20601087&sid=abIV0cO64zJE



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From dave at farber.net  Wed Jul  5 05:59:38 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:59:38 -0400
Subject: [IP] Spying on phone calls started *before 9/11*
Message-ID: <mailman.1803.1576007694.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From jhdlysqxefzaq at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  5 10:23:17 2006
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From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:17:45 -0400
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] Spying on phone calls started
  *before 9/11*]
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I am shocked. SHOCKED. Domestic spying? In the US?
-TD


>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [dave at farber.net: [IP] Spying on phone calls started *before  
>9/11*]
>Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:05:15 +0200
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>----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave at farber.net> -----
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>From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
>Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:59:38 -0400
>To: ip at v2.listbox.com
>Subject: [IP] Spying on phone calls started *before 9/11*
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>From: Brett Glass <brett at lariat.org>
>Date: July 5, 2006 1:44:06 AM EDT
>To: dave at farber.net
>Subject: For IP: Spying on phone calls started *before 9/11*
>
>Spy Agency Sought U.S. Call Records Before 9/11, Lawyers Say
>
>June 30 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T
>Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months
>before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court
>papers filed in New York federal court.
>
>The allegation is part of a court filing adding AT&T, the nation's
>largest telephone company, as a defendant in a breach of privacy case
>filed earlier this month on behalf of Verizon Communications Inc. and
>BellSouth Corp. customers. The suit alleges that the three carriers,
>the NSA and President George W. Bush violated the Telecommunications
>Act of 1934 and the U.S. Constitution, and seeks money damages.
>
>``The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after
>9/11,'' plaintiff's lawyer Carl Mayer said in a telephone interview.
>``This undermines that assertion.''
>
>The lawsuit is related to an alleged NSA program to record and store
>data on calls placed by subscribers. More than 30 suits have been
>filed over claims that the carriers, the three biggest U.S. telephone
>companies, violated the privacy rights of their customers by
>cooperating with the NSA in an effort to track alleged terrorists.
>
>``The U.S. Department of Justice has stated that AT&T may neither
>confirm nor deny AT&T's participation in the alleged NSA program
>because doing so would cause `exceptionally grave harm to national
>security' and would violate both civil and criminal statutes,'' AT&T
>spokesman Dave Pacholczyk said in an e-mail.
>
>U.S. Department of Justice spokesman Charles Miller and NSA spokesman
>Don Weber declined to comment.
>
>More at: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?
>pid=20601087&sid=abIV0cO64zJE
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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Jul  5 06:05:15 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:05:15 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] Spying on phone calls started *before
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From edrigram at edri.org  Wed Jul  5 11:15:47 2006
From: edrigram at edri.org (EDRI-gram newsletter)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:15:47 +0300
Subject: EDRI-gram newsletter - Number 4.13, 5 July 2006
Message-ID: <mailman.1804.1576007694.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

============================================================

          EDRI-gram

biweekly newsletter about digital civil rights in Europe

  Number 4.13, 5 July 2006

============================================================
Contents
============================================================

1. Creative Communities and Consumers in TACD Conference
2. Terrorist Finance Tracking Program raises privacy questions
3. Private hotlines questioned at EC Safer Internet Forum
4. Dutch Parliament opposes the new EU IPR draft directive
5. German experts think search engines should be monitored
6. Swedish file-sharing damage insurance company expands
7. New French copyright law gives Apple satisfaction
8. Google's victory in court against German publisher
9. Consultation launched by UK government on the controversial RIPA act
10. IPRED Directive Implementation in Italy
11. News on CoE activities on Human Rights in the Information Society
12. Book launch on Human Rights in the Global Information Society
13. Recommended reading
14. Agenda
15. About

============================================================
1. Creative Communities and Consumers in TACD Conference
============================================================
TACD (Trans-Atlantic Consumer Dialogues) organized a conference under the
title "New Relationships Between Creative Communities and Consumers" in
Paris on 19-20 June 2006.  Participants represented a wide range of
interests, including both artists' and consumers' organizations, but also
WIPO and the European Commission.

Several panels explored problems and possibilities in creators' and users'
rights in fields as various as gene research, drug development, software
production, entertainment industry, documentary films and scholarly
publishing.  The breadth of discussion and ideas presented was impressive.

One recurring theme was that creators and users of intellectual works are
not necessarily enemies; their interests are more common than conflicting.
Indeed often they are the same people: professional creators need to be able
to use earlier creations, and in the networked world consumers are
increasingly also creators.

As concerns the software development there was a strong opposition to
software patents and support for open standards, especially for interfaces
and file formats needed for interoperability. The dangers of monopolies and
the importance of free software were stressed, especially for basic
functionality.

Regarding the entertainment industry (music and film), there was a
surprisingly strong consensus that some kind of flat rate and global
licensing system for file sharing and downloading would be a good thing and
that time has come for it. Nonetheless, it was noted there are still lots of
technical and legal problems to be solved.

Scholarly publishing was also debated, observing that the present system
serves mainly the interests of publishers, not those of creators or users
who are indeed mainly the same people - scientists.

A draft document called "Paris accord" containing a collection of
suggestions on how the various issues should be addressed was circulated and
discussed.  The treaty could give directions for the creation of a DRM-free
new music industry that would be beneficial for both artists and consumers.

However, the document remained a draft as there was no real attempt to
finalize it during the conference.  There was an agreement, however, that
something like it would be necessary and that work would continue although
no deadline was decided on its completion

Paris TACD conference - Neil Leyton report (29.06.2006)
http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9217

TACD Workshop - the Paris Accord - 19-20 June 2006
http://www.cptech.org/a2k/pa/

"New Relationships Between Creative Communities and Consumers" - TACD
Conference
http://www.tacd.org/docs/?id=296

(Contribution by Tapani Tarvainen - EDRi-member Electronic Frontier Finland)

============================================================
2. Terrorist Finance Tracking Program raises privacy questions
============================================================
On 22-23 June 2006, the New York Times published a story uncovering an
international financial surveillance programme, called Terrorist Finance
Tracking Program, run by the US authorities. After the 11 September 2001
attacks, the US Treasury Department and/or CIA starting getting access to
international transfer data, available in the SWIFT database, in order to
investigate terrorist activity.

The Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT) is a
Belgian-based industry-owned co-operative that supplies a messaging
infrastructure to the global banking community. This 'community' consists of
banks, brokers and dealers, investment managers and their market
infrastructures in payments, securities, treasury and trade. SWIFT provides
messaging services and interface software to more than 7,863 financial
institutions in 204 countries and territories.

SWIFT's activities is overseen primarily by the National Bank of Belgium,
though other central banks are said to "have a legitimate interest in, or
responsibility for, the oversight of SWIFT, given SWIFT's role in their
domestic systems." Therefore it has international oversight in co-operation
with G-10 central banks.

After11 September 2001 SWIFT responded to some very broad US subpoenas.
SWIFT had considered at the time that it could not provide individualised
searches of the information and it had offered the U.S. Government access to
all transaction records. This has been a situation going on since then and
the financial authorities examined tens of thousands of confidential
financial transactions.

The Secretary for the Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence Stuart
Levey confirmed that the Treasury Department had subpoenaed records on
terrorist-related transactions from SWIFT. He reported that the legal basis
was "routine and absolutely clear". Some US Representatives asked US
Department of Justice to investigate the New York Times for its actions for
violating the Espionage Act and other related federal statutes.

The European Commission said it had no jurisdiction over the transfer of
financial data to non-EU countries such as the US, considering that this was
a problem for the national legislation. Friso Abbing, EU spokesman on
justice and home affairs, stated that the European Union remained concerned
that civil liberties were being overlooked in the name of combating
terrorism: "Everyone agrees that in the fight against terrorism we do need
to have measures against the funding of terrorism. But the emphasis is that
this must be done with full respect in the respect of data privacy."

The Belgium government said that they were investigating the legality of the
searches. Prime-Minister Guy Verhofstadt stated that they needed to
determine if the rights of Belgium nationals and the Belgium Law have been
respected during this process within SWIFT.

The National Bank of Belgium acknowledged that it knew of the transfers and
The European Central Bank and the Bank of England were also aware that
customers' payment data were being accessed by US authorities.

There are serious privacy concerns that this classified program might also
be a violation of U.S. and European financial privacy laws, because
individual search warrants to access financial data were not obtained in
advance. Privacy International (PI) lists a number of inconsistencies with
this program, including the US claims that this is a narrowly focused
programme that is compliant with the law, while the Belgian Government has
concerns that the data is accessed without authorisation by a Belgian judge.
Or that, as with most cases of international co-operation, the country
seizing the data, i.e. the U.S., is claiming universal jurisdiction while
the regime responsible for protecting the data, the EU, is disavowing any
responsibility.

PI launched on 28 June 2006 an international campaign against the SWIFT
illeagal activities. They have filed simultaneous complaints with Data
Protection and Privacy regulators in 33 countries, considering that the
activity was undertaken without regard to legal process under Data
Protection law, and that the disclosures were made without any legal basis
or authority whatever. The scale of the operation, involving millions of
records, places this disclosure in the realm of a fishing exercise rather
than a legally authorised investigation.

Pulling a Swift one? Bank transfer information sent to U.S. authorities
(27.06.2006)
http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd[347]=x-347-538978

PI launches campaign to suspend unlawful activities of finance giant
(28.06.2006)
http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd[347]=x-347-538985

PI Complaint: Transfer of personal data from SWIFT to the U.S. Government
(27.06.2006)
http://www.privacyinternational.org/issues/terrorism/swiftlettercampaign.pdf

Belgian leader orders bank inquiry (26.06.2006)
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/26/news/intel.php

NY Times accused of treason ( 26.06.2006)
http://www.theregister.com/2006/06/26/nyt_on_the_job/

Belgium probes US bank record searches(26.06.2006)
http://today.reuters.com/business/newsArticle.aspx?type=bankingFinancial&sto
ryID=nL26722895

European Central Bank knew about US data access (29.06.2006)
http://euobserver.com/9/21984

Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication - SWIFT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Worldwide_Interbank_Financial_Telec
ommunication

(Thanks to Gus Hosein - Privacy International)

============================================================
3. Private hotlines questioned at EC Safer Internet Forum
============================================================
With its newly adopted Communication on a 'comprehensive EU strategy to
promote and safeguard the rights of the child', the Commission intends to
pursue its global action on children's rights. One may however wonder
whether the strategy for fighting child porn on the Internet, which mostly
relies on private hotlines, is really efficient and compliant with the rule
of law.

These were the main issues raised at the afternoon session of the EC Safer
Internet Forum 2006, held in Luxembourg on 21 June, on 'Illegal Content:
Blocking access to child sexual abuse images'. Following the invitation of
the organizers, Rikke Frank Joergensen (Digital Rights Denmark) and Meryem
Marzouki (Imaginons un rC)seau Internet solidaire, IRIS - France) represented
EDRI. Other speakers were two representatives of private hotlines, Helena
KarlC)n (ECPAT Sweden) and Peter Robbins (UK Internet Watch Foundation - IWF)
and two representatives of ISPs, BenoC.t Lavigne (French ISP Association,
AFA) and Sabine Frank (German Search Engine Providers, FSM). The discussion
was introduced by Ola-Kristian Off (Norwegian lawyer and former ICRA
European Director) and moderated by Richard Swetenham (Head of the eContent
and Safer Internet Unit, EC DG INFSO).

>From the digital civil rights point of view, hotlines run by private
organizations, be they ISPs or NGOs, and their cooperation with the police
to remove local content or block access to it when hosted on foreign
websites, are breaching the rule of law in that the police acts as the
judging power and ISPs as the executing power, as Joergensen exemplified
with the Danish case. At the EU level, Marzouki showed how freedom of
expression and creation, transparency and accountability, as well as the
risk of massive over-blocking of legal content are at stake when courts are
left outside the process. Other important issues were related to violations
of due process and dual criminality rules and, in some cases, to the loss of
evidence, which may result in preventing accurate investigations. ISP
representatives backed to a large extent these deep concerns, with Lavigne
discussing the efficiency of filtering, as well as its side effects mainly
in terms of threats to freedom of expression, and Frank insisting on the
transparency issue.

Despite all these risks, private hotlines representatives are pushing hard
towards generalizing blocking of access, as already practiced on a large
scale in 4 European countries. The UK and the 3 Scandinavian countries are
using blocking systems like British Telecom 'Cleanfeed' (recently analyzed
by Richard Clayton from EDRI member FIPR - UK), or the Swedish company
'Netclean Technologies' products and the blocking system of the Danish
Telecom operator TDC. KarlC)n even proposed to interconnect hotlines all
around the world following the SETI at Home project, and to set up an
international database of URL blacklists. Showing how IWF is cooperating
with other hotlines, ISPs and the police, Robbins said that IWF intends to
share its databases with other members of the Inhope network. He also
mentioned that IWF is currently sharing its blacklists with its members,
while licensing them to non IWF members.

The latter information made Marzouki wonder during the discussion whether
these practices could lead on the one hand to commercial business, like we
have witnessed content rating bureaus selling services, and on the other
hand to a 'least common denominator' strategy to define illegal content
throughout the world, and at least in Europe, without any court
intervention. Other participants to the Forum took the floor to raise the
issue of privacy: when tentative access is made to blocked content, what
happens with the personal data of individuals requesting these URLs, some
indeed on purpose, but some others only incidentally, without any intention
to access child porn content?

Despite the conclusions on the need for more hotline transparency, the Safer
Internet Forum 2006 clearly showed that civil liberty organizations must
remain very vigilant against the risk of worldwide interconnection of
blacklists and massive content blocking, without any sound legal decision.

RAPID: 'Commission launches comprehensive EU strategy to promote and
safeguard the rights of the child' (04.07.06)
http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/06/927

EC Safer Internet Forum 2006 (21.06.06)
http://europa.eu.int/information_society/activities/sip/si_forum/forum_june_
2006/agenda

Rikke Frank Joergensen: 'Blocking access to child pornography. The Danish
Case' (21.06.2006)
http://europa.eu.int/information_society/activities/sip/docs/forum_june_2006
/rikke_frank_joergenseng.pdf

Meryem Marzouki: 'Five Little Questions About Blocking Access to Child Porn
Images' (21.06.2006)
http://www-polytic.lip6.fr/article.php3?id_article=144

Richard Clayton: 'Failures in a Hybrid Content Blocking System' (1.06.2005)
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/cleanfeed.pdf

(Contribution by Meryem Marzouki, EDRI-member IRIS)

============================================================
4. Dutch Parliament opposes the new EU IPR draft directive
============================================================
The Dutch Parliament stated on 28 June 2006 that the European Commission has
no competence to propose a new directive that is focusing on criminalizing
intellectual property offences. The statement refers to a new draft
directive - Directive on criminal measures aimed at ensuring the enforcement
of intellectual property rights, 2005/0127 - revived by the European
Commission at the beginning of May 2006.

The Parliament also said that the Commission should present concrete
evidence why such a directive is needed, considering that the European body
should show why the measures are essential for the good functioning of the
single market. Also it considers that the directive might harmonise some
penalties, but the exchange of information among member states would be a
much more effective solution.

The conclusion of the text adressed to Mr. Frattini, Commissioner for
Justice, Freedom and Security, and adopted by the Dutch Parliament states
that: "Both Houses of the States-General conclude that no power has been
granted to the Community in respect of the aim of the proposed action.
Nonetheless, both Houses have b for the record b scrutinised the present
proposal by reference to the principles of subsidiarity and proportionality
and concluded that the proposal does not comply with them."

Commenting the decision of the Parliament, FFII analyst Ante Wessels notes
that : "The European Commission and the member states are now in the process
of circumscribing competence: How far can the Commission go? In this power
struggle the Dutch Parliament made its statement: the Commission went much
too far. Earlier Dutch minister of Justice Donner had already stated he was
not 'pleased'."

Letter of Dutch Parliament to Mr. Frattini (3.07.2006)
English Version
http://europapoort.eerstekamer.nl/9310000/1/j9tvgajcovz8izf_j9vvgbwoimqf9iv/v
g7slw5im1tl?key=vhc0fvdga1qw
French Version
http://europapoort.eerstekamer.nl/9310000/1/j9tvgajcovz8izf_j9vvgbwoimqf9iv/v
g7slw5im1tl?key=vhc0fy66g2qw

Dutch Parliament says No to European criminal law against IP violations
(3.07.2006)
http://wiki.ffii.org/IpredNlParl060629En

IP Enforcement Directive 2: European Community goes criminal
http://wiki.ffii.org/Ipred2060510En

EDRi-gram : EU moves to criminalise IP offences (10.05.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.9/ipcriminal

============================================================
5.German experts think search engines should be monitored
============================================================
During the workshop "The Rising Power of Search-Engines on
the Internet: Impacts on Users, Media Policy, and Media Business" that took
place in Berlin on 26-27 June 2006, the experts expressed the opinion that
the search engines should be more regulated.

Marcel Machill, a lecturer in journalism at Germany's Leipzig and Dortmund
universities stated that Google along with Yahoo and MSN were the main
source of information searches for 90% of the Germans, Google alone
accounting for 70%. He expressed serious concern related to the power of the
search engines that would be unconceivable in the classic media. Machill as
well as other experts considers Google should have the same responsibility
as other publishers not to allow access to illegal sites, such as those with
neo-Nazi content or x-rated ones and that mechanisms must be created to
protect children online and to address illegal content.

"Even if not targeted directly, browsing, surfing, or following suggestions
from search engines may lead to material containing unwanted, troublesome,
offensive, as well as surprising or amusing material. To be able to profit
from this opportunity, while still allowing for the protection of children
and for selective approaches to information gathering and communication, is
one of the most important tasks in further developing the internet." said
Machill.

Machill also added that last year, the German subsidiaries of search engine
operators agreed to voluntarily filter sites with x-rated content or those
that incite to violence out of their results lists and that the Government
had to know how the search companies operate and had to regulate them if
necessary.

However, according to Norbert Schneider, director of the North Rhine
Westphalia, the voluntary obligation to filter sites will have no effect
considering it just a  "weak regulation without any sanctions".

Machill also suggested the foundation of a public corporation in Europe to
counterbalance the power of the US search engines.

Google's position was expressed by public relations head Rachel Whetstone
who reaffirmed that the search engine was no newspaper or broadcasting
company and that they only applied an algorithm. She also stated that while
Google observed the local laws regarding the results displayed, they did not
wish to be the ones to decide on what people were supposed to see or not.

The Rising Power of Search-Engines on the Internet: Impacts on Users, Media
Policy, and Media Business
http://www.uni-leipzig.de/journalistik/suma/home_e.html

German Experts Criticize Google's Power (28.06.2006)
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2071471,00.html

German experts want search engines to be monitored (30.06.2006)
http://www.theregister.com/2006/06/30/google_too_powerful/

============================================================
6. Swedish company offers file-sharing damage insurance
============================================================
Swedish company Tankafritt offers insurance against file sharing law suits
damages and intends to expand to other Scandinavian countries.

Magnus Brath, the owner of the company, found it in reaction to the
recent copyright infringement cases in Sweden. He also thinks he could
develop his business in countries like Norway and Denmark where there are
similar laws on file-sharing.

His company is a small one operating on membership basis. For about 15
euro/year the members are covered in case RIAA (Recording Industry
Association of America) asks for damages for copyright infringement..

According to Slyck.com, the probability of being sued by RIAA is 1:1,840, a
ration that is lower than that of dying from external causes which is
1:1,755, according to the US National Safety Council. Considering these
figures, the Tankafritt operation has all the chances of being a success.

While in UK such a system would not be considered legal as states the
Association of British Insurers, in Sweden, where there is a political party
for the relaxation of the intellectual property controls, the cause of file
sharers is very much supported.

A large controversy has been created recently by a raid on servers hosting
the Pirate Bay site as the raid has apparently put some legal business
offline as well.

File sharing damages insurer plans international expansion (3.07.2006)
http://www.theregister.com/2006/07/03/filesharing_damages_insurer/

P2P insurer will pay your fines if RIAA sues: $19/year! (28.06.2006)
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/06/28/p2p_insurer_will_pay.html

RIAA's Grand Total: 10,037 - What are Your Odds? (2.05.2006)
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=769

EDRI-gram : Swedish torrent website Pirate Bay returns back home
(21.06.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.12/piratebay

============================================================
7. New French copyright law gives Apple satisfaction
============================================================
The most controversial DADVSI Law, now colloquially known also as "iTunes
Law", was finally adopted in the French Parliament with a compromise
allowing Apple to continue operating as before.

The law was adopted by the Parliament under emergency regime, which ended
with a mixed commission, normally made of 7 senators and 7 deputies, from
both the majority and the opposition. But the opposition left the
commission, after 55 more amendments were brought to it by the rapporteurs
at the very final step

The most controversial provision was that of interoperability. In a previous
draft, the law imposed measures to allow interoperability, obliging thus
Apple to give up its DRM system that made "iTunes" products strictly related
to i-Pods.

Apple reacted virulently, accusing of "state sponsored piracy" and
threatening to leave France altogether in case the law was passed as such.

The law as adopted now allows for the DRM and redefines the concept of
interoperability. The text provides for the protection of "the technical
measures meant to prevent or limit non-authorised use" and the fines for
breaking these systems have remained at the level of 3 750 euro. The
producers, distributors or promoters of technical solutions avoiding these
systems can get up to 6 months of imprisonment and 30 000 euro fines.

Interoperability is redefined in the sense that the text now reads: the
technical measures (meant to protect the works) must not result in impeding
interoperability, while observing copyright.

Still stating that all systems must interoperate, the new law allows,
however, for this requirement to be waived with the permission of the rights
holders. It actually means that Apple can continue to operation in the same
way as before with the permission of record labels and artists, only the
balance of power between Apple and the labels may shift more towards the
latter.

The idea of creating a group of mediators to deal with private copy
conflicts was changed to that of establishing a regulator of technical
measures as an independent authority.

The regulator will be responsible with seeing that the DRM systems do not
create additional limitations in the use of artistic works to those
explicitly expressed by the copyright holders.  The law covers only software
and technical systems producers without saying anything about consumer
associations or the open source creators.

The socialist deputies have already announced their intention to contest the
text of the law at the Constitutional Court.

Dadvsi draft finaly adopted by the Parliament (in French only,
30.06.2006)
http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/internet/0,39020774,39361945,00.htm?xtor=1

France dilutes plans for iTunes law (26.06.2006)
http://www.theregister.com/2006/06/26/france_dilutes_itunes_law/

Zut! France drops iTunes bombshell (30.06.2006)
http://www.theregister.com/2006/06/30/france_itunes_law_loophole/

Compromise on copyright (in French only, 23.06.2006)
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0 at 2-651865,36-787328 at 51-787425,0.html

EDRI-gram : French draft copyright law continues to be criticised
(24.05.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.10/frenchcopyright

============================================================
8. Google's victory in court against German publisher
============================================================

Google has just obtained a significant victory against the German publisher
Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft (WBG), having asked an injunction in a
German court to stop the giant from scanning books in its Books Library
project.

WBG dropped their case on 28 June after the judge told them they had poor
chances in winning. Although backed by the German publishers associations,
the publisher failed to bring arguments in support of its action and the
court ruled that there was no copyright violation resulting from the
development of Google's project.

Google has undertaken to digitize library books and place the contents on
its search engine working within this process with six US libraries and one
in Oxford. The books that are out of copyright will be accessed without any
restrictions while books that are found to be covered by copyright are only
presented with bibliographic data and a few snippets. However, even for a
copyrighted book, Google has to scan the entire book in order to create the
index used for its search engine.

The German publisher wanted to stop Google from scanning copyrighted books
without permission but the court admitted Google's argument that the
publishing of short snippets did not infringe the German copyright law.

To make thinks even more complicated, Google considers that the action of
copying a book is covered by the copyright law of the country where the book
is copied and not by that of the country where the book publisher is.
Therefore if it scans a book from a US library is has to comply to US
copyright laws.

But Germany is not the only country where the giant faces opposition to this
project. The French group La Martiniere is also suing Google for
"counterfeiting and breach of intellectual property rights" as reported by
Agency France-Presse.

France's National Publishers' Union, representing over 400 publishers, has
also threatened to take Google to court and publishers in UK have expressed
opposition to the project as well. Google faces two lawsuits in the United
States from author and publisher groups on the same issue.

After the court ruling on 28 June, Google stated that they recognised the
importance of the copyright law as they considered that authors and
publishers were entitled to be rewarded for their creations. Google also
believes the project would also serve authors and publishers as their books
will be easily searchable on the search engine and it will also be easy for
the users to buy them.

David Drummond, senior vice president also expressed the dedication of the
company to the project. "Google is passionate about the digitization of
books, which we believe benefits everyone by making the world's knowledge
more accessible".

Legal victory for Google in library project (29.06.2006)
http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1808770,00.html

Partial Success for Google in a German Courtroom (29.06.2006)
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2073046,00.html

Google Book project gets reprieve in Germany (29.06.2006)
http://news.com.com/2061-10812_3-6089897.html

============================================================
9. Consultation launched by UK government on the controversial RIPA act
============================================================.
UK government has launched a consultation on codes of practice covering the
implementation of its communications surveillance laws that, lately, have
been largely debated on by privacy campaigners, internet service providers
as well as security specialists.

The UK Government has launched a public consultation on Part I and III of
The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) Chapter II giving
increased power to public authorities in their access to citizens'
communications data.

The Home Office has published draft codes of practice for both parts of the
act for a 12-week consultation period, stating that the present
text has been modified to take into consideration the current practices, to
reduce bureaucracy and to deal with concerns expressed in relation to data
protection. It also stated that additional elements have been added
where the original draft was lacking in sufficient guidance.

Part 3 of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA), allowing the
police to ask for the disclosure of encryption keys or force suspects to
decrypt encrypted data has not yet been implemented but the government
considers time has come for it. The arguments relate to the rapid
development of encryption products and the increased availability to such
products including integrated security features in operating systems.

Comments on the two draft codes are expected by 30 August.

Government launches new data retention consultation (20.06.2006)
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2006/06/20/216510/Government+launches
+new+data+retention+consultation.htm

EDRI-gram: UK Government asks for the encryption keys (24.05.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.10/ukencryption

Acquisition and Disclosure of Communication Data - A public consultation
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/351628/ripa-part1.pdf?view=Binary

============================================================
10. IPRED Directive Implementation in Italy
============================================================.
By Legislative Decree no.140 of 16 March 2006, with more than one
month before the deadline, Italy implemented Directive 2004/48/EC on the
enforcement of intellectual property rights (IPRED) by amending law
no.633/1941, which has already been the subject of so many modifications
since its inception that several parties are calling for its complete
re-drafting.

The most notable modifications to the Italian copyright law include the
presumption of ownership of the neighbouring rights, as it was already
the case for author's rights; the possibility for collective and
"representative" organizations to independently promote judicial actions in
order to defend their members' rights; the possibility to ask judges to
inhibit activities, including those by intermediaries, that can be construed
as an infringement of authors' or neighbouring rights; the possibility for
judges in the case of infringement "on a commercial scale"- on request of
the interested party - to order banking, financial and other commercial data
to be produced by the counterpart; a more detailed procedure to calculate
damages.

Some of the modifications were not so relevant, as the Italian judges have
already applied the same principles as a matter of custom and practice. For
example the Italian criminal procedures already contained norms that allow a
judge to apply a sanction in case a party delays of fails to put a writ in
practice. Or the so-called "right of information", by which a judge can
request third parties to produce relevant information they might have with
regards to an infringement.

The Italian implementation of IPRED has been severely criticized, among
others by Andrea Monti of ALCEI (Associazione per la Liberta` nella
Comunicazione Elettronica Interattiva - EDRi-member). In an article
published on the Italian journal "InterLex", Monti considered that the
Legislative Decree is too vague in its key parts - including the definition
of what is an "intermediary" and the type of evidences that must be produced
in order for a judicial injunction to be issued.

Text of Legislative Decree no. 140/16 March 2006 (only in Italian,
16.03.2006)
http://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/guri/attocompleto?dataGazzetta=2006-04-07&re
dazione=006G0161&service=0&ConNote=2
http://www.camera.it/parlam/leggi/deleghe/testi/06140dl.htm

Andrea Monti, Copyright - a "particular" and "concrete" law (only in
Italian, 23.02.2006)
http://www.interlex.it/copyright/amonti84.htm

Explanatory report on the Italian implementation of IPRED (only in Italian)
http://www.interlex.it/testi/pdf/rec482004.pdf

EDRI-gram: New Italian IT legislation limits civil rights (1.03.2006)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.4/italianlaws

(Contribution by Andrea Glorioso, consultant on digital policies - Italy)
(Thanks to Ms. De Angelis - DDA Law Firm )

===========================================================
11. News on CoE activities on Human Rights in the Information Society
===========================================================

On 20 June, Rikke Frank Joergensen (Digital Rights Denmark) and Meryem
Marzouki (Imaginons un rC)seau Internet solidaire, IRIS - France)
participated as EDRI observers to the 5th Council of Europe meeting of the
Group of Specialists on Human Rights in the Information Society (MC-S-IS).
Among the many points on the agenda, the following news are worth reporting
at this step.

The draft Recommendation on empowering children in the new
information and communications environment has been submitted to the
CoE Steering Committee on the Media and New Communication Services
(CDMC), where some member states (France, Germany, Russia) expressed
their willing to make further comments before having it adopted.
EDRI previously reported on the important changes made to this
document by MC-S-IS group.

The group received information on CoE follow-up to the second phase
of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS). This concerns
action line C8 on bCultural diversity and identity, linguistic
diversity and local contentb, C9 on bMediab and C10 on bThe ethical
dimension of the Internetb, as well as the Internet Governance Forum,
which will hold its first meeting in Athens, 30 October to 2 November
2006. EDRI proposed stronger cooperation between CoE and human rights
groups, i.e. through common workshops at the Forum.

The group was also informed that a new CoE Ad Hoc Committee on e-
democracy (CAHDE) was created, in the framework of the CoE project on
bGood governance in the information societyb. The CAHDE mandate,
which runs until December 2007, is inter alia to bexamine
developments on e-democracy/e-participation at European and
international level, with a view to identifying political, social,
ethical, legislative and technological issues and their
interdependenceb. Its first meeting will be held in September 2006.
While there is no observer status for NGOs non member of the CoE
Conference of INGOs, EDRI insisted on the need to associate NGOs
directly involved in these issues to the CAHDE works.

Given the very few (less than 15) answers received so far to the
questionnaire on the implementation by member States of the 2003
Declaration on freedom of communication on the Internet, EDRI
proposed that a European compliance study/mapping based on the
Declaration be rather commissioned by the group.

Finally, the second CoE Pan-European Forum on Human Rights in the
Information Society will be held in Erevan on 5-6 October 2006, on
the main theme of bEmpowering children and young peopleb.

EDRi-Gram : CoE Works On New Instrument On Children Empowerment On The
Net (15.03.06)
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number4.5/coe

CoE MC-S-IS public website
http://www.coe.int/t/e/human_rights/media/1_intergovernmental_co-operation/MC
-S-IS/

WSIS follow-up action lines and Internet governance forum
http://www.itu.int/wsis/implementation/
http://www.intgovforum.org/

CAHDE draft terms of reference
https://wcd.coe.int/ViewDoc.jsp?Ref=CM/Del/Dec(2006)965/2.3&Sector=secCM

(Contribution by Rikke Frank Joergensen and Meryem Marzouki, EDRI-
members Digital Rights Denmark and IRIS)

===========================================================
12. Book launch on Human Rights in the Global Information Society
===========================================================
A new book on Human Rights in the Global Information Society, edited by
Rikke Frank JC8rgensen (EDRI board member from Digital Rights DK) was
presented 23 June 2006 in Copenhagen.

In the book, a number of scholars, human rights activists and practitioners
examine the links between information and communication technology (ICT) and
human rights, exploring the ways in which the information society can either
advance human rights around the world or threaten them. This includes issues
such as freedom of expression, access to information, privacy,
discrimination, freedom of assembly, political participation, gender
equality, minority rights, and intellectual property. The book was produced
during the World Summit of the Information Society process (2003-2005), and
the Introduction examines how human rights were dealt with within this
global ICT policy process.

Following the presentation of the book, Gus Hosein from Privacy
International / LSE and author of the book chapter on Privacy, gave a
keynote on 'Privacy, Terrorism and the New Security Agenda'.

In his presentation, Hosein illustrated with current examples how privacy
rights are being eroded, not least in a European context, and how the policy
dynamics of the 'new security agenda' stretches beyond terrorism into other
parts of our daily lives. He also addressed the intimate link between
privacy and other human rights, such as freedom of expression and freedom of
assembly, and stressed the need for more concerted civil society actions in
Europe on these issues.

Human Rights in the Global Information Society
http://www.mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=10872

Danish Human Rights Institute
http://www.humanrights.dk

Digital Rights Denmark
http://www.digitalrights.dk

Danish WSIS network
http://www.una.dk/wsis

(Contribution by Rikke Frank JC8rgensen  - EDRi-member Digital Rights
Denmark)

===========================================================
13. Recommanded Reading
===========================================================
Michelle Child - Notes of Barcelona Conference "The Proposed WIPO Treaty on
the Protection of Broadcasting Organizations: From the Rome Convention to
Podcasting" -  21 June 2006
http://downontheriver.blogspot.com/2006/06/notes-of-wipo-barcelona-seminar.h
tml

Report on the situation of fundamental rights in the EU in 2005
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2006/jun/EU-funrights-report05.pdf

European Commission opened an online public consultation on radio frequency
identification (RFID)
http://www.rfidconsultation.eu/
Read also the consultation background paper
http://www.rfidconsultation.eu/docs/ficheiros/Your_voice_on_RFID.pdf

===========================================================
14. Agenda
===========================================================

7 July 2006, Zurich, Switzerland
Free cultures - a Free Internet. Internet Governance and Switzerland
Who is supposed to govern the internet? A symposium on the "Internet
Governance Forum" will be looking for the answers.
http://www.igf-06.ch

16 - 28 July 2006, Oxford, UK
Annenberg/Oxford Summer Institute: Global Media Policy: Technology and
New Themes in Media Regulation
http://www.pgcs.asc.upenn.edu/events/ox06/index.php

2-4 August 2006, Bregenz, Austria
2nd International Workshop on Electronic Voting 2006
http://www.e-voting.cc/stories/1246056/

3 August 2006 , Prague, Czech Republic
Travelers privacy and EU - One day seminar organized by Iuridicum
Remedium, providing a space for privacy experts to meet Czech
officials to discuss passports, biometrics, RFID, PNR deal and other
issues related to privacy risks possibly encountered by travellers in
the EU.
http://www.bigbrotherawards.cz/en/index.html

14-16 September 2006, Berlin, Germany
Wizards of OS 4 Information Freedom Rules
http://wizards-of-os.org/

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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Jul  5 12:30:51 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:30:51 +0200
Subject: [edrigram@edri.org: EDRI-gram newsletter - Number 4.13, 5 July
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From brett at lariat.net  Thu Jul  6 05:48:04 2006
From: brett at lariat.net (Brett Glass)
Date: July 6, 2006 5:48:04 PM EDT
Subject: [IP] CALEA - Final Rule
Message-ID: <mailman.1805.1576007694.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Dave:

This is disturbing. The FCC Report and Order on CALEA (see http://
cryptome.org/fcc070506.htm) appears to drag all broadband providers
-- including small, rural ISPs such as myself -- into a messy
regulatory regime, merely because one of my customers might choose to
use a VoIP service. Worse still, the requirements are vague and
potentially extremely onerous.

I do not offer VoIP myself, but of course it is possible for any of
my customers to do VoIP via a third party service. Now, any VoIP
service worth its salt would encrypt conversations such that it would
be pointless to intercept calls by tapping my network. Any rational
law enforcement agency would want to go to one of the ends, where the
data was present in the clear, to listen in on the call. What's more,
even the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, which recently ruled in an
awkward, poorly reasoned split decision (see

http://www.epic.org/privacy/wiretap/ace_v_fcc.pdf

for the text) that the FCC could define the words of a statute
differently in different contexts to reach an outcome it desired,
admits that non-VoIP traffic is clearly not subject to interception
under CALEA.

There is no rational reason to subject an ISP such as myself to the
statute's expensive requirements. Yet, the FCC is trying to do so.
What's more, to add insult to injury, it has stated that it does not
intend to allow ISPs to be compensated for the expense of making
their networks tappable. In short, the FCC seems eager to impose
requirements upon us which would do nothing to enhance homeland
security but could well drive us and other independent ISPs out of
business. This would ensure a cable/telco duopoly and hamper the
expansion of broadband service to rural areas like ours.

In my opinion, the FCC R&O *must* be challenged via an appeal of the
lower court's ruling to the Supreme Court. Otherwise, the end of
broadband competition may have just come much closer.

--Brett Glass, LARIAT.NET



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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  6 12:18:09 2006
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:18:09 -0400
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] The Newbie's Guide to Detecting the
  NSA]
In-Reply-To: <20060630124809.GQ26630@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F12C61B33461747611F63789B770@phx.gbl>

Yeah...WTF?

Those taps were optical, and at the OC-N level. Layer 3 wasn't involved and 
IP traffic not re-routed through the NSA panopticon. In other words, NSA got 
an OPTICAL copy of the the optical signal and then sent that COPY into their 
own Intelligence Black Hole. Your packets never even knew that was going on.

-TD


>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [dave at farber.net: [IP] The Newbie's Guide to Detecting the NSA]
>Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:48:09 +0200
>
>Which idiot would assume his specific location is excluded? Especially,
>if it's a long-distance (transcontinental) link?
>
>----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave at farber.net> -----
>
>From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
>Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:40:08 -0400
>To: ip at v2.listbox.com
>Subject: [IP] The Newbie's Guide to Detecting the NSA
>X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2)
>Reply-To: dave at farber.net
>
>
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>From: John Bartas <jbartas at speakeasy.net>
>Date: June 30, 2006 3:38:22 AM EDT
>To: dave at farber.net
>Subject: The Newbie's Guide to Detecting the NSA
>
>Dave,
>
>     This entry from the blog at wired.com might be good for the IP
>list. The best part is at the end. Good old traceroute!
>--------------------------------------------------------
>The Newbie's Guide to Detecting the NSA
>http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/#1510938 ... "With that in mind,
>here's the 27B Stroke 6 guide to detecting if your traffic is being
>funneled into the secret room on San Francisco's Folsom street. If
>you're a Windows user, fire up an MS-DOS command prompt. Now type
>tracert followed by the domain name of the website, e-mail host, VoIP
>switch, or whatever destination you're interested in. Watch as the
>program spits out your route, line by line. C:\> tracert nsa.gov 1 2
>ms 2 ms 2 ms 12.110.110.204 [...] 7 11 ms 14 ms 10 ms
>as-0-0.bbr2.SanJose1.Level3.net [64.159.0.218] 8 13 12 19 ms
>ae-23-56.car3.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.68.123.173] 9 18 ms 16 ms 16 ms
>192.205.33.17 10 88 ms 92 ms 91 ms tbr2-p012201.sffca.ip.att.net
>[12.123.13.186] 11 88 ms 90 ms 88 ms tbr1-cl2.sl9mo.ip.att.net
>[12.122.10.41] 12 89 ms 97 ms 89 ms tbr1-cl4.wswdc.ip.att.net
>[12.122.10.29] 13 89 ms 88 ms 88 ms ar2-a3120s6.wswdc.ip.att.net
>[12.123.8.65] 14 102 ms 93 ms 112 ms 12.127.209.214 15 94 ms 94 ms 93
>ms 12.110.110.13 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * In the above example, my
>traffic is jumping from Level 3 Communications to AT&T's network in
>San Francisco, presumably over the OC-48 circuit that AT&T tapped on
>February 20th, 2003, according to the Klein docs. The magic string
>you're looking for is sffca.ip.att.net. If it's present immediately
>above or below a non-att.net entry, then -- by Klein's allegations --
>your packets are being copied into room 641A, and from there,
>illegally, to the NSA. Of course, if Marcus is correct and AT&T has
>installed these secret rooms all around the country, then any att.net
>entry in your route is a bad sign.
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From rah at shipwright.com  Thu Jul  6 15:21:17 2006
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:21:17 -0400
Subject: [Clips] The united states of total paranoia
Message-ID: <p062309e0c0d33d48b7df@[68.167.57.91]>

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  Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:19:43 -0400
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  Subject: [Clips] The united states of total paranoia
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  <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-525-2252271-22129,00.html>


  The Sunday Times

  July 02, 2006

  The united states of total paranoia

  Jeremy Clarkson



  ::nobreak::I know Britain is full of incompetent water board officials and
  stabbed Glaswegians but even so I fell on my knees this morning and kissed
  the ground, because I've just spent three weeks trying to work in America.

  It's known as the land of the free and I'm sure it is if you get up in the
  morning, go to work in a petrol station, eat nothing but double-egg burgers
  - with cheese - and take your children to little league. But if you step
  outside the loop, if you try to do something a bit zany, you will find that
  you're in a police state.

  We begin at Los Angeles airport in front of an immigration official who,
  like all his colleagues, was selected for having no grace, no manners, no
  humour, no humanity and the sort of IQ normally found in farmyard animals.
  He scanned my form and noted there was no street number for the hotel at
  which I was staying.

  "I'm going to need a number," he said. "Ooh, I'm sorry," I said, "I'm
  afraid I don't have one."

  This didn't seem to have any effect. "I'm going to need a number," he said
  again, and then again, and then again. Each time I shrugged and stammered,
  terrified that I might be sent to the back of the queue or worse, into the
  little room with the men in Marigolds. But I simply didn't have an answer.

  "I'm going to need a number," he said again, giving the distinct impression
  that he was an autobank, and that this was a conversation he was prepared
  to endure until one of us died. So with a great deal of bravery I decided
  to give him one. And the number I chose was 2,649,347.

  This, it turned out, was fine. He'd been told by his superiors to get a
  number. I'd given him a number. His job was done and so, just an hour or so
  later, I was on the streets of Los Angeles doing a piece to camera.

  Except, of course, I wasn't. Technically you need a permit to film on every
  street in pretty well every corner of the world. But the only countries
  where this rule is enforced are Vietnam, Cuba, North Korea and the United
  States of America.

  So, seconds after breaking out the tripod, a policeman pulled up and
  demanded that we show him our permit. We had one that covered the city of
  Los Angeles . . . except the bit where we were. So we were moved on.

  The next day I was moved on in Las Vegas too because the permit I had
  didn't cover the part of the pavement I was standing on. Eight inches away
  was fine.

  You need a permit to do everything in America. You even need a passport to
  buy a drink. But interestingly you don't need one if you wish to rent some
  guns and some bullets. I needed a 50 cal (very big) machinegun. "No
  problem," said the man at the shop. "But could you just sign this assuring
  us that the movie you're making is not anti-Bush or anti-war."

  Also, you do not need a permit if you want - as I did - to transport a dead
  cow on the roof of your car through the Florida panhandle. That's because
  this is banned by a state law.

  Think about that. Someone has gone to all the bother and expense of drawing
  up a law that means that at some point lots of people were moving dead cows
  about on their cars. It must have been popular. Fashionable even.

  Anyway, back to the guns. I needed them because I wished to shoot a car in
  the Mojave desert. But you can't do that without the say-so of the local
  fire chief who turned up, with his haircut, to say that for reasons he
  couldn't explain, he had a red flag in his head.

  You find this a lot in America. People way down the food chain are given
  the power to say yes or no to elaborately prepared plans, just so their
  bosses can't be sued. One expression that simply doesn't translate from
  English in these days of power without responsibility is "Ooh, I'm sure
  it'll be fine".

  And, unfortunately, these people at the bottom of the food chain have no
  intellect at all. Reasoning with them is like reasoning with a tree. I
  think this is because people in the sticks have stopped marrying their
  cousins and are now mating with vegetables.

  They certainly aren't eating them. You see them growing in fields, but all
  you ever find on a menu is cheese, cheese, cheese, or cheese with cheese.
  Except for a steak and cheese sandwich I bought in Mississippi. This was
  made, according to the label, from "imitation cheese".

  Nope, I don't know what that is either but I do know that out of the main
  population centres, the potato people are getting fatter and dimmer by the
  minute.

  Today the average petrol pump attendant is capable, just, of turning on a
  pump when you prepay. But if you pay for two pumps to be turned on to fill
  two cars, you can, if you stare carefully, see wisps of smoke coming from
  her fat, useless, war losing, acne-scarred, gormless turnip face.

  And the awful thing is that you don't want the petrol anyway, because it'll
  simply get you to somewhere else, which will be worse. A point I shall
  prove next week when we have a look at what happened in Alabama. And why
  the poor of New Orleans will sue if the donation you make isn't as big as
  they'd hoped for.

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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Fri Jul  7 00:15:59 2006
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:15:59 -0700
Subject: Tongan Prince and Princess killed in Menlo Park traffic  
  accident
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060706235746.033c78b8@pop.idiom.com>

Prince Tu'ipelehake, his wife Princess Kaimana, and their driver were killed
on a Menlo Park highway when hit by a drag racer.

http://www.forbes.com/business/businesstech/feeds/ap/2006/07/06/ap2863297.html
http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Tonga-hit-by-death-of-peoples-prince/2006/07/07/1152240470161.html

Meanwhile, the king is 88 and in bad health.




From dave at farber.net  Fri Jul  7 05:21:11 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:21:11 -0400
Subject: [IP] more on  CALEA - Final Rule
Message-ID: <mailman.1806.1576007694.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



Begin forwarded message:


From zakaz at 363.ru  Thu Jul  6 22:25:35 2006
From: zakaz at 363.ru (Galia)
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:25:35 +0300
Subject: Hallo...
Message-ID: <004601c6a185$c1283d80$111a000a@dsl-MP-dynamic-234.241.246.61.airtelbroadband.in>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Jul  7 06:00:19 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:00:19 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on  CALEA - Final Rule]
Message-ID: <20060707130019.GI26630@leitl.org>

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From gregb at west-third.com  Sat Jul  8 01:45:57 2006
From: gregb at west-third.com (Greg Brooks)
Date: July 8, 2006 1:45:57 PM EDT
Subject: [IP] more on FBI plans new Net-tapping push
Message-ID: <mailman.1807.1576007694.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

First they came for the big ISPs
and I did not speak out
because I used a little ISP and ran my own server.

Then they came for the telcos
and I did not speak out
because I used VoIP.

Then they came to my little ISP
and I did not speak out
because I could still encrypt some traffic and control my own firewall.

Then they came for my router
and there was no one left
to securely ping back to me.

(With a respectful nod to Pastor Martin Niemvller)





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From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Jul  8 01:37:51 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:37:51 +0200
Subject: /. [The U.S.'s Net Wide For 'Terrorist' Names]
Message-ID: <20060708083751.GB26630@leitl.org>

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/07/1812240
Posted by: timothy, on 2006-07-07 19:45:00

   Yesterday's report of [1]name-based blocking of money transfers as a
   result of U.S. Treasury policies intended to reduce the flow of money
   to Middle Eastern terrorists drew more than 800 comments. Western
   Union money transfers were at the heart of the linked Associated Press
   article, but as some of these comments point out, that's not the only
   case of interference in electronic financial transactions based on the
   names of the participants, akin to the use of the much-derided no-fly
   list. Read on for the Backslash summary of the conversation.

   Several readers concentrated not just on the undesirability of
   government snooping on money transfers in the first place, but on the
   unintended but likely side-effects of heavy-handed government
   oversight of conventional money-transfer methods; as the AP article
   explained, there are ways to route around large-scale commercial
   services like Western Union, including informal networks called
   "hundis" or "hawalas." Reader quantaman calls increased control on
   conventional money-transfer services "worse than useless," writing:

   "From what I can gather from the article this policy is actually
   harming security.

   ... If law abiding people are avoiding official institutions what
   makes them think that terrorists are stupid enough to use them?

   More than that, by driving additional people to the hawalas it
   circumvents existing security measures. For starters, it means that
   more money (even the legit stuff) is moving around and they have no
   idea where it went. Also the additional people using the hawalas will
   mean they are more developed for the terrorists [to] use them.
   Additionally, when you uncover a hawala network it will be that much
   harder to pick out the terrorists, since you've added all these false
   positives. And finally, for the terrorists who would have used
   official institutions in the past since it was easy and the hawalas
   weren't developed, now you no longer have a money trail you can
   inspect later on.

   All this security measure does is inconvenience and alientate a whole
   bunch of people while making the world a little less safe."

   No matter how legitimate the ends to which it will be put, high-handed
   interference with the transfer of money isn't popular for other
   reasons, too. Reader ColourlessGreenIdeas writes "I know of a charity
   that works with (mostly Christian) organisations in the West Bank.
   Their usual way of getting money to their partners is to fly into
   Israel with a [2]big bundle of money. Otherwise it tends to get
   massively delayed by U.S. banks."

   (And at least one reader points out reason to suspect that Western
   Union in particular might have been [3]willing to turn over
   information on its customers even in the absence of Treasury
   regulations.)

   The Treasury regulations on which the name-filtering is based are
   clearly imperfect, but not quite as simplistic as certain comments
   painted them. Responding to the claim in the AP article that "Western
   Union prevented [taxi driver Abdul Rahman Maruthayil] from sending
   $120 to a friend at home last month because the recipient's name was
   Mohammed," reader lecithin says "Not true. They prevented him from
   sending the cash [4]because his name was Sahir Mohammed. A bit of a
   difference. Perhaps a Sahir Mohammed has some links to 'bad guys'?
   Well, it happens here in the U.S. too. There are plenty of stories
   regarding people being put on the 'do not fly' list due to
   circumstances like this as well."

   Reader bwcarty, too, calls "FUD" on claims that the list is
   indiscriminant or exclusively targets those with Arab names, writing
   "I work for a division of a large financial firm, and we are
   [5]required to download a list of [6]Specially Designated Nationals
   from the Treasury Department and compare names from it against new
   accounts and transfers. The list includes lists of suspected
   terrorists, and they're not all Arabic (think Irish Republican Army)."
   Reader rhsanborn offers a similar account of the regulations and why
   they affect one-time transfers so significantly:

   "... They aren't blocking people because they have some generic Arab
   name. They are blocking people who have [7]names that match the
   Federal list of suspected terrorists. As someone mentioned above,
   something like Sahir Mohammed. Probably a perfect match for the list.

   We too have to run periodic checks against the names in that database.
   If a match comes up, we have people individually check other
   information to confirm that it is an actual match (e.g. same name,
   different birthday).

   We have open accounts with these people though, so we have a
   significant amount of time to deal with these. Western Union has a
   very short period of time because it is a one time transaction that
   happens relatively quickly."

   Several readers related personal experience with the no-fly list, and
   a few pointed out some of its better-known shortcomings, such as a
   [8]Soundex-based name database which has the potential to needlessly
   flag [9]passengers like Senator Ted Kennedy and the former Sex Pistol
   Johnny Lydon (though as dan828 points out, [10]Lydon has never
   actually been stopped because of the list).

   Many readers denounced as racist the use of common Arab names to
   justify interference in money transfers. One response to that claim
   comes from reader mrxak, who offers a more innocuous explanation,
   namely imperfect information and a limited pool of names, which will
   inevitably contain variations of commonly used names. Such a system,
   he argues, is therefore based on pragmatism -- [11]not necessarily
   racism." Arguing that a similar system would pose just as much risk
   for "John Smiths" on the list as for those with Arab names, mrxak
   concedes the need for "a better system," and asks "but what kind of
   system would work?"

   To this, reader eln had a ready answer: "Maybe a system where you
   [12]gather a little more information about suspected terrorists other
   than their name before throwing them on some sort of list that
   prevents anyone with that name from doing all sorts of normal tasks.
   ... [O]f all of the pieces of information that can be used to identify
   a person, his name is probably the one that's most easily falsified.
   So, instead of doing some actual police work and gathering some actual
   evidence against an actual person, we decide to cast a wide net, and
   end up catching a lot of innocent people while actually decreasing our
   chances of catching the actual bad guy."

   Jah-Wren Ryel's answer to the same question is more radical -- Ryel
   suggests that perhaps [13]"none at all" is the best approach. He asks
   "What makes you think that any system could work?" Rather than
   spending money on elaborate surveillance or other
   intelligence-gathering efforts, Ryel says, "spend it on emergency
   services instead. ... No matter how many tax dollars you throw at the
   problem, terrorism is a tactic that can not be fully countered."
   Rather than concentrating on the prevention of terrorist acts, he
   argues, the most intelligent use of resources is on "the
   infrastructure that minimizes the damage. Better hospitals, better
   fire departments, better 'first responder' teams. That way, we get the
   benefit of the money spent regardless of if a terrorist blows up a
   building or an earthquake knocks it down."

   The Israeli response to recurring attacks illustrates that these
   approaches may be in large part reconcilable; infrastructure
   improvements and intelligence gathering can certainly coexist, details
   of their implementation aside. The effectiveness of the pre-emptive
   side of any nation's approach to minimizing terrorist attacks, though,
   is slightly different from its approach to "fighting terror" in a
   broad sense.

   On that note, reader karlandtanya describes measures such as the U.S.
   policies subjecting what might otherwise be private financial
   transactions to automated scrutiny as "[14]effective, but still
   unfair," categorizing the use of name-based interference as what Bruce
   Schneier has described as "security theater." Karlandtanya writes,
   cynically, that in reaction to perceived security threats, "we present
   the appearance of security measures. Going overboard and causing
   outrage is just part of the salesmanship." To combat terror in a
   literal sense, he writes, "[t]he solution is, of course, the
   perception of security."
     _________________________________________________________________

   Thanks to all the readers whose comments informed the conversation, in
   particular to those whose comments are quoted above.

References

   1. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/06/1610229&tid=98
   2. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=15668058&sid=190461&tid=98
   3. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=15668360&sid=190461&tid=98
   4. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=15667965&sid=190461&tid=98
   5. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=15668203&sid=190461&tid=98
   6. http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sdn/sdnlist.txt
   7. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=15668462&sid=190461&tid=98
   8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundex
   9. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/20/1244205&tid=103
  10. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=15668598&sid=190461&tid=98
  11. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=15668037&sid=190461&tid=98
  12. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=15668209&sid=190461&tid=98
  13. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=15668377&sid=190461&tid=98
  14. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=15668264&sid=190461&tid=98

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From Bob2-19-0501 at bobf.frankston.com  Sat Jul  8 11:17:46 2006
From: Bob2-19-0501 at bobf.frankston.com (Bob Frankston)
Date: July 8, 2006 11:17:46 AM EDT
Subject: [IP] FBI plans new Net-tapping push
Message-ID: <mailman.1808.1576007694.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Doest his meant hat if I use a generic Linux box to write some
routing or NAT software I must include an FBI module? Is it illegal
for Cisco to provide open source LinkSys boxes?

Given the attitude that the unexamined conversation is treason
shouldnbt the FBI be looking into all calls made using walkie-
talkies, between cordless phones, between extension phones? Are
corporate PBXes exempted?

Good thing that Bombay is now called Mumbai b otherwise think of all
the conversations that would be flagged as dangerous.

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To: ip at v2.listbox.com
Subject: [IP] FBI plans new Net-tapping push







Begin forwarded message:

From:   Richard Forno <rforno at infowarrior.org>

Date:    July 8, 2006 2:22:38 AM EDT

To:       Blaster <rforno at infowarrior.org>

Cc:       Dave Farber <dave at farber.net>

Subject:            FBI plans new Net-tapping push



FBI plans new Net-tapping push

By Declan McCullagh

http://news.com.com/FBI+plans+new+Net-tapping+push/

2100-1028_3-6091942.html

Story last modified Fri Jul 07 18:55:01 PDT 2006

The FBI has drafted sweeping legislation that would require Internet
service providers to create wiretapping hubs for police surveillance
and force makers of networking gear to build in backdoors for
eavesdropping, CNET News.com has learned.

FBI Agent Barry Smith distributed the proposal at a private meeting
last Friday with industry representatives and indicated it would be
introduced by Sen. Mike DeWine, an Ohio Republican, according to two
sources familiar with the meeting.

The draft bill would place the FBIbs Net-surveillance push on solid
legal footing. At the moment, itbs ensnared in a legal challenge from
universities and some technology companies that claim the Federal
Communications Commissionbs broadband surveillance directives exceed
what Congress has authorized.

The FBI claims that expanding the 1994 Communications Assistance for
Law Enforcement Act is necessary to thwart criminals and terrorists
who have turned to technologies like voice over Internet Protocol, or
VoIP.

bThe complexity and variety of communications technologies have
dramatically increased in recent years, and the lawful intercept
capabilities of the federal, state and local law enforcement
community have been under continual stress, and in many cases have
decreased or become impossible,b according to a summary accompanying
the draft bill.

Complicating the political outlook for the legislation is an ongoing
debate over allegedly illegal surveillance by the National Security
Administrationbpunctuated by several lawsuits challenging it on
constitutional grounds and an unrelated proposal to force Internet
service providers to record what Americans are doing online. One
source, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitive
nature of last Fridaybs meeting, said the FBI viewed this as a top
congressional priority for 2007.

Breaking the legislation down

The 27-page proposed CALEA amendments seen by CNET News.com would:

B7         Require any manufacturer of broutingb and baddressingb
hardware to offer upgrades or other bmodificationsb that are needed
to support Internet wiretapping. Current law does require that of
telephone switch manufacturersbbut not makers of routers and network
address translation hardware like Cisco Systems and 2Wire.

B7         Authorize the expansion of wiretapping requirements to
bcommercialb Internet services including instant messaging if the FCC
deems it to be in the bpublic interest.b That would likely sweep in
services such as in- game chats offered by Microsoftbs Xbox 360
gaming system as well.

B7         Force Internet service providers to sift through their
customersb communications to identify, for instance, only VoIP calls.
(The language requires companies to adhere to bprocessing or
filtering methods or procedures applied by a law enforcement
agency.b) That means police could simply ask broadband providers like
AT&T, Comcast or Verizon for wiretap infobinstead of having to figure
out what VoIP service was being used.

B7         Eliminate the current legal requirement saying the Justice

Department must publish a public bnotice of the actual number of
communications interceptionsb every year. That notice currently also
must disclose the bmaximum capacityb required to accommodate all of
the legally authorized taps that government agencies will bconduct
and use simultaneously.b

Jim Harper, a policy analyst at the free-market Cato Institute and
member of a Homeland Security advisory board, said the proposal would
bhave a negative impact on Internet usersb privacy.b

bPeople expect their information to be private unless the government
meets certain legal standards,b Harper said. bRight now the
Department of Justice is pushing the wrong way on all this.b

Neither the FBI nor DeWinebs office responded to a request for
comment Friday afternoon.

DeWine has relatively low approval ratings--47 percent, according to
SurveyUSA.comband is enmeshed in a fierce battle with a Democratic
challenger to retain his Senate seat in the November elections.
DeWine is a member of a Senate Judiciary subcommittee charged with
overseeing electronic privacy and antiterrorism enforcement and is a
former prosecutor in Ohio.

A panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C., decided 2-1
last month to uphold the FCCbs extension of CALEA to broadband
providers, and itbs not clear what will happen next with the lawsuit.
Judge Harry Edwards wrote in his dissent that the majoritybs logic
gave the FCC bunlimited authority to regulate every
telecommunications service that might conceivably be used to assist
law enforcement.b

The organizations behind the lawsuit say Congress never intended
CALEA to force broadband providersband networks at corporations and
universitiesbto build in central surveillance hubs for the police.
The list of organizations includes Sun Microsystems, Pulver.com, the
American Association of Community Colleges, the Association of
American Universities and the American Library Association.

If the FBIbs legislation becomes law, it would derail the lawsuit
because there would no longer be any question that Congress intended
CALEA to apply to the Internet.








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From hughhyatt at bluehen.udel.edu  Sat Jul  8 11:37:01 2006
From: hughhyatt at bluehen.udel.edu (Hugh D. Hyatt)
Date: July 8, 2006 11:37:01 AM EDT
Subject: [IP] FBI plans new Net-tapping push
Message-ID: <mailman.1809.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

For IP, if you wish....

David Farber is alleged to have written, on or about 08-Jul-06 08:00:

>Begin forwarded message:
>From: Richard Forno <rforno at infowarrior.org>
>Date: July 8, 2006 2:22:38 AM EDT
>To: Blaster <rforno at infowarrior.org>
>Cc: Dave Farber <dave at farber.net>
>Subject: FBI plans new Net-tapping push
>FBI plans new Net-tapping push
>By Declan McCullagh
>http://news.com.com/FBI+plans+new+Net-tapping+push/
>2100-1028_3-6091942.html

[snip]

>b" Eliminate the current legal requirement saying the Justice
>Department must publish a public "notice of the actual number of
>communications
>interceptions" every year. That notice currently also must disclose
>the
>"maximum capacity" required to accommodate all of the legally
>authorized
>taps that government agencies will "conduct and use simultaneously."

This would eliminate the public's ability to learn interesting and
important facts like those published here (also by Mr McCullagh):
http://speakout.com/activism/opinions/4377-1.html.  For example,
"According to government statistics, in 1998 police intercepted
2,313,210 conversations but the taps -- 71% were for drug-related
crimes -- resulted in only 911 convictions."  Was that a reasonable
trade-off between security and freedom?  And how else can we, the
people, make such judgments without having facts like these?

--
Hugh D. Hyatt
Bryn Athyn, PA

  The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal
  vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the
     consequence of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt.
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From lauren at vortex.com  Sat Jul  8 11:44:16 2006
From: lauren at vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein)
Date: July 8, 2006 11:44:16 AM EDT
Subject: [IP] FBI plans new Net-tapping push
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Dave,

Data retention laws.  Purpose-built voice and data wiretapping
capabilities in communications gear.  A sharp salute to the masters
of the Black Chamber, with terrorism and child abuse the rhetorical
keys to creating the pervasive surveillance society.

But there's a piece missing.  Crypto controls of course!

Despite their fundamental impracticality, laws prohibiting,
controlling, or penalizing the use of "untappable" crypto will be
increasingly enticing to the powers-that-be.  For of what use is all
that extremely expensive wiretapping capability if you can't
interpret the damned bits?

Such control laws would of course trigger a vast escalation in the
crypto "arms race" -- with ever more emphasis on steganographic and
other message obscuring techniques.  Innocents will have their
personal and business privacy eviscerated, while the truly evil will
plunge deeper from view, with knee-jerk reactions pulling our basic
liberties down the rathole as well.

After all, even the road to "1984" was paved with good intentions.

Indeed, "He loved Big Brother."

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
lauren at vortex.com or lauren at pfir.org
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
http://www.pfir.org/lauren
Co-Founder, PFIR
   - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org
Co-Founder, IOIC
   - International Open Internet Coalition - http://www.ioic.net
Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com
Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com
DayThink: http://daythink.vortex.com

 - - -

>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>From: Richard Forno <rforno at infowarrior.org>
>Date: July 8, 2006 2:22:38 AM EDT
>To: Blaster <rforno at infowarrior.org>
>Cc: Dave Farber <dave at farber.net>
>Subject: FBI plans new Net-tapping push
>
>FBI plans new Net-tapping push
>
>By Declan McCullagh
>http://news.com.com/FBI+plans+new+Net-tapping+push/
>2100-1028_3-6091942.html
>
>Story last modified Fri Jul 07 18:55:01 PDT 2006
>
>The FBI has drafted sweeping legislation that would require Internet
>service
>providers to create wiretapping hubs for police surveillance and force
>makers of networking gear to build in backdoors for eavesdropping,
>CNET
>News.com has learned.
>
>FBI Agent Barry Smith distributed the proposal at a private meeting
>last
>Friday with industry representatives and indicated it would be
>introduced by
>Sen. Mike DeWine, an Ohio Republican, according to two sources
>familiar with
>the meeting.
>
>The draft bill would place the FBI's Net-surveillance push on solid
>legal
>footing. At the moment, it's ensnared in a legal challenge from
>universities
>and some technology companies that claim the Federal Communications
>Commission's broadband surveillance directives exceed what Congress
>has
>authorized.
>
>The FBI claims that expanding the 1994 Communications Assistance
>for Law
>Enforcement Act is necessary to thwart criminals and terrorists who
>have
>turned to technologies like voice over Internet Protocol, or VoIP.
>
>"The complexity and variety of communications technologies have
>dramatically
>increased in recent years, and the lawful intercept capabilities of
>the
>federal, state and local law enforcement community have been under
>continual
>stress, and in many cases have decreased or become impossible,"
>according to
>a summary accompanying the draft bill.
>
>Complicating the political outlook for the legislation is an ongoing
>debate
>over allegedly illegal surveillance by the National Security
>Administration--punctuated by several lawsuits challenging it on
>constitutional grounds and an unrelated proposal to force Internet
>service
>providers to record what Americans are doing online. One source, who
>asked
>not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of last Friday's
>meeting, said the FBI viewed this as a top congressional priority for
>2007.
>
>Breaking the legislation down
>The 27-page proposed CALEA amendments seen by CNET News.com would:
>
>b" Require any manufacturer of "routing" and "addressing" hardware to
>offer
>upgrades or other "modifications" that are needed to support Internet
>wiretapping. Current law does require that of telephone switch
>manufacturers--but not makers of routers and network address
>translation
>hardware like Cisco Systems and 2Wire.
>
>b" Authorize the expansion of wiretapping requirements to "commercial"
>Internet services including instant messaging if the FCC deems it to
>be in
>the "public interest." That would likely sweep in services such as in-
>game
>chats offered by Microsoft's Xbox 360 gaming system as well.
>
>b" Force Internet service providers to sift through their customers'
>communications to identify, for instance, only VoIP calls. (The
>language
>requires companies to adhere to "processing or filtering methods or
>procedures applied by a law enforcement agency.") That means police
>could
>simply ask broadband providers like AT&T, Comcast or Verizon for
>wiretap
>info--instead of having to figure out what VoIP service was being
>used.
>
>b" Eliminate the current legal requirement saying the Justice
>Department must
>publish a public "notice of the actual number of communications
>interceptions" every year. That notice currently also must disclose
>the
>"maximum capacity" required to accommodate all of the legally
>authorized
>taps that government agencies will "conduct and use simultaneously."
>
>Jim Harper, a policy analyst at the free-market Cato Institute and
>member of
>a Homeland Security advisory board, said the proposal would "have a
>negative
>impact on Internet users' privacy."
>
>"People expect their information to be private unless the government
>meets
>certain legal standards," Harper said. "Right now the Department of
>Justice
>is pushing the wrong way on all this."
>
>Neither the FBI nor DeWine's office responded to a request for comment
>Friday afternoon.
>
>DeWine has relatively low approval ratings--47 percent, according to
>SurveyUSA.com--and is enmeshed in a fierce battle with a Democratic
>challenger to retain his Senate seat in the November elections.
>DeWine is a
>member of a Senate Judiciary subcommittee charged with overseeing
>electronic
>privacy and antiterrorism enforcement and is a former prosecutor in
>Ohio.
>
>A panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C., decided 2-1
>last
>month to uphold the FCC's extension of CALEA to broadband
>providers, and
>it's not clear what will happen next with the lawsuit. Judge Harry
>Edwards
>wrote in his dissent that the majority's logic gave the FCC "unlimited
>authority to regulate every telecommunications service that might
>conceivably be used to assist law enforcement."
>
>The organizations behind the lawsuit say Congress never intended
>CALEA to
>force broadband providers--and networks at corporations and
>universities--to
>build in central surveillance hubs for the police. The list of
>organizations
>includes Sun Microsystems, Pulver.com, the American Association of
>Community
>Colleges, the Association of American Universities and the American
>Library
>Association.
>
>If the FBI's legislation becomes law, it would derail the lawsuit
>because
>there would no longer be any question that Congress intended CALEA to
>apply
>to the Internet.
>
>
>


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From lesa at internet-top.com  Sat Jul  8 08:42:43 2006
From: lesa at internet-top.com (Carlene Buckley)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:42:43 -0300
Subject: Massive PE patch sale
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From dave at farber.net  Sat Jul  8 10:22:20 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:22:20 -0400
Subject: [IP] more on  fbi plans new Net-tapping push
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From dave at farber.net  Sat Jul  8 10:22:47 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:22:47 -0400
Subject: [IP] more on  FBI plans new Net-tapping push
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From dave at farber.net  Sat Jul  8 11:01:45 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:01:45 -0400
Subject: [IP] more on FBI plans new Net-tapping push
Message-ID: <mailman.1813.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From dave at farber.net  Sat Jul  8 11:24:37 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:24:37 -0400
Subject: [IP] more on  FBI plans new Net-tapping push
Message-ID: <mailman.1814.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:34:15 -0100
Subject: things looking up
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From rah at shipwright.com  Sat Jul  8 13:48:37 2006
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:48:37 -0400
Subject: [Clips] Students cry foul over cell phone policy
Message-ID: <p06230927c0d5ca9edb3c@[68.167.57.91]>

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  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
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  Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:45:50 -0400
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  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] Students cry foul over cell phone policy
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com


<http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=134816&format=text>

  MetroWest Daily News

  Students cry foul over cell phone policy: Teens say officials are
  'overreacting' and violating their privacy

  By Eric Athas/ Daily News Correspondent

  Saturday, July 8, 2006 - Updated: 02:04 PM EST

  FRAMINGHAM -- Fearing their wireless freedom may be in jeopardy, students
  at Framingham High School were fuming over a new school policy that allows
  administrators to seize cell phones and search their contents.

  School searches


  Principals claim right to search cell phones

     The policy, administrators say, is to improve security and stop the
  sale of drugs and stolen goods, but students said that the edict is an
  invasion of privacy.

     "It's not anyone's business what is in students' cell phones," said
  Demitriy Kozlov, who will be a senior in September. "If they think
  someone's dealing a pound of coke or pot, then there is a reason to, but
  that doesn't happen here."

     Kozlov said he believes administrators are overreacting and making the
  school appear more troublesome than it actually is.

     School officials "reserve the right to look through the cell phone,"
  when they suspect a student has drugs or stolen goods, according to
  Principal Michael Welch.

     "People shouldn't get power based on suspicions, people should be
  considered innocent until proven guilty," said senior Adam Goldberg. "It
  feels like our rights are stripped away when we walk through the doors."

     Scott Siegal is a senior at Newton South High School, where Welch was
  principal before going to Framingham, and said there is a major difference
  in Newton South and Framingham's policies.

     "We have an open campus at Newton South, and it seems like (Welch) is
  making things stricter at Framingham," said Siegal, who was a sophomore
  when Welch was the principal at Newton South. "We would never have had a
  policy like this."

     The rule complies with federal law, which says a school can conduct
  searches when there is "reasonable suspicion" that a student has contraband.

     "It's kind of ridiculous," said Dayna Green, who recently graduated
  from Framingham, and is headed to Fitchburg State College in September.
  "They try to make us feel independent, but then they invade our privacy."

     The cell phone policy is not the only change at Framingham: Staff will
  be required to wear identification badges at school. That move is an
  attempt to keep track of people who should not be on school property.

     Green said the policy will only make students feel uncomfortable, and
  will not stop students from breaking the rules.

     "I think it is more of a scare tactic," she said. "Something bad is
  going to happen everywhere."

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Jul  8 10:25:18 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:25:18 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on  fbi plans new Net-tapping push]
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From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Jul  8 10:25:36 2006
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:25:36 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on  FBI plans new Net-tapping push]
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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:11:39 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on FBI plans new Net-tapping push]
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From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Jul  8 11:33:24 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:33:24 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on  FBI plans new Net-tapping push]
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From jon at pgp.com  Sun Jul  9 05:56:15 2006
From: jon at pgp.com (Jon Callas)
Date: July 9, 2006 5:56:15 PM EDT
Subject: [IP] more on FBI plans new Net-tapping push
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Brian Randell said:

>
>Just because the government *claims* it can't break a given
>code ... :-)
>

I realize that there was a smiley face at the end of this, and I
might be showing humorlessness about this, but this concerns my
profession in general, and my software in particular. Consequently, I
have no choice but to comment on this remark.

Modern cryptographic systems are essentially unbreakable,
particularly if an adversary is restricted to intercepts. We have
argued for, designed, and built systems with 128 bits of security
precisely because they are essentially unbreakable. It is very easy
to underestimate the power of exponentials. 2^128 is a very big
number. Burt Kaliski first came up with this characterization, and if
he had a nickel for every time I tell it, he could buy a latte or three.

Imagine a computer that is the size of a grain of sand that can test
keys against some encrypted data. Also imagine that it can test a key
in the amount of time it takes light to cross it. Then consider a
cluster of these computers, so many that if you covered the earth
with them, they would cover the whole planet to the height of 1
meter. The cluster of computers would crack a 128-bit key on average
in 1,000 years.

If you want to brute-force a key, it literally takes a planet-ful of
computers. And of course, there are always 256-bit keys, if you worry
about the possibility that government has a spare planet that they
want to devote to key-cracking.

Now of course, there are other ways to break the system.

They could know something we don't. They could know some fundamental
truth about mathematics (like how to factor really fast), some
effective form of symmetric cryptanalysis, or something else. They
could know about quantum computers, DNA computers, systems based upon
non-Einsteinian physics, and so on. Yes, it's possible. But this
quickly gets into true paranoid thought. There isn't a lot of
difference between the *presumption* that they have such things and
the presumption that they have aliens in a vault in Nevada. It isn't
falsifiable. It gets irrational quickly. The evidence that we have
about this suggests quite the opposite, but more on that later.

They could have something we don't. For example, they could know
about software flaws in my or other people's computer systems. Yes,
that's possible, too. At PGP Corporation, we guard against this by
making our software available to people for their examination.
Approximately 2,000 people per month do that. If you want to be one
of them, go to <http://www.pgp.com/downloads/> and look at it
yourself. While you're at it, take a look at our quality assurance
letter at <http://www.pgp.com/company/pgpassurance.html>.

They could be hacking people's systems. This is a much more
reasonable worry. If I were going to be doing this, it's what I would
do. The state of computer operational security is such that it makes
much more sense to invest time, money, and effort into rootkits than
into cryptanalysis.

However, there are things that we know that they *are* doing. One of
them is relevant to this particular case. That is work on cracking
the passphrases that people use to protect their keys. The
cryptography we're using is itself uncrackable, but about 2/3 of the
people in the world use a password (not even a passphrase) that
directly relates to a pet or loved one. The order of frequency seems
to be pets (living or dead), then children, then ex-loves. We know
that at least one government has a password cracker that is based
upon building a psychometric model of person who owns the key and
constructing passphrases on that model. If you're a Hollywood private
eye and they seize your computer and find on it that you're a
basketball fan from your browser cache, then "Lak3rz 4 Teh w1n!" is
actually a very bad passphrase. Don't blame me when they find it in
about two minutes.

It isn't just government that does this, either. Companies such as
Access Data and Elcomsoft have distributed password crackers. These
things aren't hacking the crypto, they're hacking the mind using the
crypto. My old friend and colleague, Drew Gross, who is a forensics
expert, has said, "I love crypto; it tells me what part of the system
not to bother attacking."

The last bit of evidence we have that suggests that they can't break
the crypto is that they are apparently devoting a lot of effort to
traffic analysis. Look at what we've learned in the last few months.
Listening for keywords is so twentieth century. They're looking at
call patterns, message flow, and so on. I could go on about this for
a long time, but it's a tangent from this. If you're interested in
more, I am going to be leading a panel at Defcon this August on
traffic analysis. Come liven up the discussion.

	Jon

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From karn at ka9q.net  Sun Jul  9 09:24:17 2006
From: karn at ka9q.net (Phil Karn)
Date: July 9, 2006 9:24:17 AM EDT
Subject: [IP] more on FBI plans new Net-tapping push
Message-ID: <mailman.1816.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

David Farber wrote:

>But there's a piece missing.  Crypto controls of course!

This is of course possible, and it's a bit surprising that this other
shoe has not yet fallen so long after 9/11.

But consider that any push to regulate or restrict strong crypto would:

1. Draw widespread public attention to the fact that the government
cannot break it;

2. Be totally ineffectual since crypto is so widely available from so
many places in the world;

3. Go against the strongly stated public positions of many
conservative Republicans during the "crypto wars" of the mid 1990s,
when, coincidentally, Clinton was in office and pushing the Clipper
Chip;

4. Be totally ignored by precisely those people whom the government
is supposedly most interested in targeting; and

5. Be mostly irrelevant to what the spooks actually do when they
vacuum up electronic communications, namely traffic analysis (who
talks to who, when, where and how much) rather than acquiring actual
content. Content takes too much effort to analyze (and possibly
translate), even when it's in the clear. Traffic analysis can be done
automatically on a huge scale, and it can be frighteningly effective.

As an aside, I note that not much attention has been paid to the
"where"  part of communications. Cell phones -- even when they're not
in calls -- make excellent physical tracking devices. Not even secure
end-to-end encryption can change that. It's inherent in how they work.

I have no actual information on this, but based on my knowledge of
the technology and ongoing revelations of the government's insatiable
appetite for data on non-citizens and citizens alike, I confidently
predict that the next big revelation in the ongoing saga of massive
government data-mining will involve mobile phone registrations. These
are the short "I'm here and ready for a call" data messages that all
mobile phones transmit every few minutes whenever they're on and
idle. Even without GPS for augmented E911 positioning, registrations
tell what cell sector you're in. These sectors can be quite small (a
few blocks) in densely populated areas. At the very least, they're
certainly sufficient to tell what country and city you're in.

--Phil


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From DSwee34359 at aol.com  Sun Jul  9 12:27:08 2006
From: DSwee34359 at aol.com (DSwee34359 at aol.com)
Date: July 9, 2006 12:27:08 PM PDT
Subject: [Dewayne-Net] America's robot army
Message-ID: <mailman.1817.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Good piece,

I have been following such developments from a distance for some
time, and in fact I won a journalism award for a piece I composed
four years ago on this subject.  One begins to understand if not
approve the actions of moralistic atomic traitors like Ted Hall who
gave away atomic secrets because they sincerely believed that no one
nation should command such power.  Unless one believes that the
intentions of the current and future conservative administrations in
Washington are wholly benign in the developing world, one cannot but
shudder to contemplate Robocop writ large.

For those for whom the power motive is paramount the thought of such
weapons systems must be as intoxicating as a blast of
methamphetamine.  For not only can military omniscience provide the
basis for annihilating force projection against foreign insurgents,
it can offer the means of utterly neutralizing principled political
opposition at home.  That such technology will not be used in that
matter is hardly certain in the light of recent NSA abuses.

There is however, some reason to believe that the nation may be
roused from this particular wet dream before reaching climax.  The
manufacture of semiconductors has already fled abroad to nations not
disposed to favor such an expansion of U.S. military capabilities,
and increasingly the design of semiconductors is fleeing to the same
places.  The relatively small size of the U.S. engineering community
compared to those of certain Asian nations might also work against
such a profound military asymmetry ultimately occurring.  In other
words, the U.S. might be losing the technology base to support such a
grand scheme.

Imagine if a Dominion Theology regime ascended to power in Washington
and thought to utilize armies of Golem against the infidel.  The
ironies are profound.

Daniel Sweeney

Weblog at: <http://weblog.warpspeed.com>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Jul  9 04:12:37 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:12:37 +0200
Subject: /. [Cracking the GPS Galileo Satellite]
Message-ID: <20060709111237.GH26630@leitl.org>

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/09/050219
Posted by: ScuttleMonkey, on 2006-07-09 09:49:00

   [1]Glyn writes "Newswise is reporting the the [2]encryption in the
   Galileo GPS signal has been broken. The pseudo random number generator
   used to obscure the information stored in the Galileo GPS signal has
   been broken. From the article: 'Members of Cornell's Global
   Positioning System (GPS) Laboratory have cracked the so-called pseudo
   random number (PRN) codes of Europe's first global navigation
   satellite, despite efforts to keep the codes secret. That means free
   access for consumers who use navigation devices -- including handheld
   receivers and systems installed in vehicles -- that need PRNs to
   listen to satellites.'"

References

   1. http://www.backandlay.com/
   2. http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/521790/?sc=rsla

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From dave at farber.net  Sun Jul  9 13:49:10 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:49:10 -0400
Subject: [IP] more on FBI plans new Net-tapping push
Message-ID: <mailman.1818.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From dewayne at warpspeed.com  Sun Jul  9 18:23:01 2006
From: dewayne at warpspeed.com (Dewayne Hendricks)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:23:01 -0700
Subject: [Dewayne-Net] re: America's robot army
Message-ID: <mailman.1819.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

[Note:  This comment comes from reader Dan Sweeney.  DLH]


From dave at farber.net  Mon Jul 10 03:04:17 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:04:17 -0400
Subject: [IP] on crypto systems from CTO PGP
Message-ID: <mailman.1820.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Jul  9 23:24:13 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:24:13 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on FBI plans new Net-tapping push]
Message-ID: <20060710062413.GP26630@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Jul  9 23:59:41 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:59:41 +0200
Subject: [dewayne@warpspeed.com: [Dewayne-Net] re: America's robot army]
Message-ID: <20060710065941.GS26630@leitl.org>

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From btm at templetons.com  Mon Jul 10 12:06:08 2006
From: btm at templetons.com (Brad Templeton)
Date: July 10, 2006 12:06:08 PM EDT
Subject: [IP] on crypto systems from CTO PGP
Message-ID: <mailman.1821.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 06:04:17AM -0400, David Farber wrote:
>Modern cryptographic systems are essentially unbreakable,
>particularly if an adversary is restricted to intercepts. We have
>argued for, designed, and built systems with 128 bits of security
>....
>If you want to brute-force a key, it literally takes a planet-ful of
>...
>They could know something we don't. They could know some fundamental
>truth about mathematics (like how to factor really fast), some
>effective form of symmetric cryptanalysis, or something else. They
>could know about quantum computers, DNA computers, systems based upon

While it is also a non-scientific statement, this history of
"unbreakable" cryptography is checkered.   Significant numbers of
systems judged unbreakable using the thinking of the day have ended up
having flaws.   Some claims of unbreakability also fell victim to
the unexpected push of Moore's law (such as DES, which we at the EFF
demonstrated the crackability of many years ago.)

One of my favourite charts at a crypto conference did a graph between
the predicted lifetime of cryptosystems (often expressed, in terms of
tens of thousands of years, or now lifetimes of the universe) and the
actual lifetime under unanticipated cryptanalysis techniques.  It was
meant to be an amusement but it looked like a real trend.

2^128 will not be readily brute-forced with the technology we envision
today.   The point is that most of these systems were not broken with
the technology (and other aspects of cryptanalysis) we know today.
Each flaw found in a cryptosystem makes our next system stronger, of
course,
but it's very risky to say we've found the last flaw, discovered the
last breakthrough in cryptanalysis.

As for quantum computing, a classmate of mine has endowed a center
for quantum computing at Waterloo, using his RIM money.  I asked him
recently how many q-bits they could do, he told me they had classified
the answer.   That could mean they are being overly paranoid in their
classifications (quite likely) or that they have classified it because
they wonder if the future answer will be military level, or if they
have classified it just to keep people wondering.  But one can't help
but wonder.

All this said, I feel pretty confident in our modern systems.  But
not enough to say essentially unbreakable.


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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Jul 10 03:18:58 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:18:58 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] on crypto systems from CTO PGP]
Message-ID: <20060710101858.GZ26630@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave at farber.net> -----


From dave at farber.net  Mon Jul 10 09:33:45 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:33:45 -0400
Subject: [IP] more on   on crypto systems from CTO PGP
Message-ID: <mailman.1822.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net  Mon Jul 10 13:31:44 2006
From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:31:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] on crypto systems from CTO PGP]
In-Reply-To: <20060710101858.GZ26630@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <200607102031.k6AKVifn020358@artifact.psychedelic.net>

Jon Callas <jon at pgp.com> wrote:

> Imagine a computer that is the size of a grain of sand that can test
> keys against some encrypted data. Also imagine that it can test a key
> in the amount of time it takes light to cross it. Then consider a
> cluster of these computers, so many that if you covered the earth
> with them, they would cover the whole planet to the height of 1
> meter. The cluster of computers would crack a 128-bit key on average
> in 1,000 years.

The error in this argument is the assumption that the computers aren't all 
partially replicating each others computations.

> If you want to brute-force a key, it literally takes a planet-ful of
> computers. And of course, there are always 256-bit keys, if you worry
> about the possibility that government has a spare planet that they
> want to devote to key-cracking.

Suppose I give you one NAND gate, and ask you to build an encryption function 
that inputs 64 bits of data and 256 bits of key, and outputs 64 bits of data.

Couldn't build a very complicated one, could you?  Wouldn't take a very big 
computer to sweep the entire 256 bit key space, as long as you did no 
redundant computation.

Now suppose I give you ten NAND gates.  Now you can build a more complicated 
encryption function.  Nonetheless, it is still greatly limited with regard to 
what it does with each of the the 2^256 keys being different from what it 
does with the others.  Sweeping the key space is still practically 
instantaneous, as long as you don't do redundant computation.

Now suppose I give you 100,000 NAND gates.  Now you can build a really 
complicated encryption function, that passes all the tests of whether 
encryption functions are good.  But the number of ways you can hook even 
100,000 gates together is a small drop in the bucket compared to the 
confusion and diffusion necessary to make all 2^256 permutations on 2^64 
integers truly statistically independent of one another.  How fast can I 
sweep the key space now, modding out redundant computation?  An interesting 
question you would do well to ponder.

Many things that take a long time in the domain of data, happen quite 
speedily if you do them by transformations in the domain of the function 
representation.

> Now of course, there are other ways to break the system.

> They could know something we don't.

You think?

> They could know some fundamental
> truth about mathematics (like how to factor really fast), some
> effective form of symmetric cryptanalysis, or something else. They
> could know about quantum computers, DNA computers, systems based upon
> non-Einsteinian physics, and so on. Yes, it's possible. But this
> quickly gets into true paranoid thought. There isn't a lot of
> difference between the *presumption* that they have such things and
> the presumption that they have aliens in a vault in Nevada. It isn't
> falsifiable. It gets irrational quickly. The evidence that we have
> about this suggests quite the opposite, but more on that later.

There are an unlimited number of surprising algorithms whose direct 
derivation lies just beyond the range of human ingenuity.  This is why we 
have Experimental Mathematics and other techniques for grepping the fabric of 
reality for things we could never figure out on our own through a random walk 
of the solution space.

> The last bit of evidence we have that suggests that they can't break
> the crypto is that they are apparently devoting a lot of effort to
> traffic analysis. 

I'd bet money the NSA has been able to crack RSA since 1996.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Jul 10 08:28:59 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:28:59 +0200
Subject: offshore
Message-ID: <20060710152859.GP26630@leitl.org>

Any of you ever opened a bank account in Singapore? If yes,
please contact me offlist.

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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Jul 10 09:39:17 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:39:17 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on   on crypto systems from CTO
  PGP]
Message-ID: <20060710163917.GV26630@leitl.org>

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From gnu at toad.com  Mon Jul 10 05:11:42 2006
From: gnu at toad.com (gnu at toad.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:11:42 +0800
Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail
Message-ID: <200607101211.k6ACBo7g003623@proton.jfet.org>

The original message was included as attachment

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From dewayne at warpspeed.com  Tue Jul 11 16:34:38 2006
From: dewayne at warpspeed.com (Dewayne Hendricks)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:34:38 -0700
Subject: [Dewayne-Net] SF reviews contracts with AT&T over domestic spying
Message-ID: <mailman.1823.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

AP NewsBreak: SF reviews contracts with AT&T over domestic spying
- By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, July 11, 2006

(07-11) 14:02 PDT San Francisco (AP) --

City officials are investigating AT&T's alleged cooperation with the
National Security Agency and considering possible "consequences" the
company could face in its extensive municipal contracts here if it is
violating civil liberties, Mayor Gavin Newsom said Tuesday.

"If what I'm reading is true, I've got some serious problems as a San
Franciscan, as a taxpayer and as mayor," Newsom said in interview
with The Associated Press. "And I don't like it."

A federal lawsuit filed by Internet privacy advocate Electronic
Frontier Foundation accuses the telecommunications giant of illegally
cooperating with the NSA to make communications on AT&T networks
available to the spy agency without warrants. According to the
lawsuit, AT&T allowed the NSA to install data.m.ining equipment in
secret rooms at AT&T offices in San Francisco and a handful of other
cities.

Last month, the government urged a federal judge to dismiss the suit,
saying it threatens to reveal state secrets. The judge's decision is
pending.

Newsom said he has asked City Attorney Dennis Herrera to conduct
"fact-finding" on the matter. But the mayor also said he has
completed his own compilation of "all of our current business
relationships the city has with AT&T."

That review, which includes expiration dates and other obligations,
"may be suggestive that if we conclude that this is sincerely
problematic, there may be a desire to not just make a symbolic
statement of opposition, but to make a substantive one."

The mayor said he did not know the value of AT&T's contracts with San
Francisco. Nor would he provide a timetable for completion of the
city attorney's probe.

"I recognize the ability, (from) a local perspective, to perhaps have
a little more influence because we do have a strong relationship with
AT&T and I'd like to continue that," he said.

"But I also think it's a two-way street," Newsom said. "If you're
going do business with us, and San Francisco always has, we say,
please help represent the values of the people that are actually
purchasing those goods and services, meaning the taxpayers of this
city."

The city attorney probably has the power to subpoena, Newsom said,
adding that he did not know for sure. If true, that would mean the
city might have the power to learn details of the program that have
not been publicly disclosed.

[snip]

URL: <http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2006/07/11/
financial/f140225D55.DTL>

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From JulianLake at maggiewebber.com  Wed Jul 12 01:18:30 2006
From: JulianLake at maggiewebber.com (Basil Dove)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:18:30 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Replica Watches for you!
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(at least, as long as the preparer of the online book followed Web standards.) Let me know of any books described as "HTML" 
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From dpvagjv at thinkbell.com  Tue Jul 11 19:25:28 2006
From: dpvagjv at thinkbell.com (Nicholas Rios)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:25:28 +0800
Subject: The Hoodia ingredient in HoodiaLife is an all-natural.
Message-ID: <5350646.3224864@thinkbell.com>

get a print copy through your library (or interlibrary-loan), or through a bookstore or book ordering service. You may also 
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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Jul 12 03:33:40 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:33:40 +0200
Subject: [dewayne@warpspeed.com: [Dewayne-Net] SF reviews contracts with
  AT&T over domestic spying]
Message-ID: <20060712103339.GM4317@leitl.org>

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From eackerma at u.washington.edu  Thu Jul 13 03:35:59 2006
From: eackerma at u.washington.edu (Ethan Ackerman)
Date: July 13, 2006 3:35:59 PM EDT
Subject: California Supreme court prohibits recording Californians
Message-ID: <mailman.1824.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

without their consent - regardless of where you are.

Greetings Dave,
Many people, especially reporters, are familiar with state laws
prohibiting phone conversations from being recorded without the
consent of one or both parties to the call.  Some states, and federal
law, require only 1 party to consent, other states require both or all
parties to consent.  California is one such 'all-party' consent state.
(Think Linda Tripp recording Monica Lewinsky talking about her boss,
or the floridian couple recording Newt Gingrich coordinating his
ethics probe with John Boehner, as past examples of this distinction.)

Well today, the California Supreme Court found that Georgia-based
employees of the Solomon Smith Barney brokerage who were taping
California customers with out notice or consent violated California
laws, even if they might have been complying with Georgia's '1 party'
consernt laws.

While the court refused to fine the brokers, finding their reliance on
Georgia law reasonable, it did enjoin them from taping Californians in
the future.
Case is here:
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/S124739.PDF

This decision will likely have a large impact on investigative
reporting, and has definite impacts on other areas of privacy and
consumer protection law as well.


-Ethan


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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Thu Jul 13 17:34:03 2006
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:34:03 -0700
Subject: Leichtenstein Bicentennial
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060713173147.033f0e90@pop.idiom.com>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060710/ap_on_re_eu/liechtenstein_s_bicentennial_lh1;_ylt=AipgyPG0U_7BHLgP.0y6JYJvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060710/ap_on_re_eu/liechtenstein_s_bicentennial_lh1&printer=1;_ylt=A9G_RyAW2bZE4fEA0hFbbBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE- 
(printable)

One of our favorite local pseudonym's home tax haven
just celebrated its 200th anniversary -
apparently Napoleon created it as a separate country in 1806.




From dave at farber.net  Thu Jul 13 15:09:40 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:09:40 -0400
Subject: [IP] Markle Task Force Report | July 13, 2006
Message-ID: <mailman.1825.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Markle Task Force on National Security in the Information Age
Releases Third Report
"Mobilizing Information to Prevent Terrorism: Accelerating
Development of a Trusted
Information Sharing Environment"
July 13, 2006
The Markle Foundation Task Force on National Security in the
Information Age today released its third report with recommendations
on how to reconcile national security needs with civil liberties
requirements. The report offers a new "authorized use" standard for
government handling of legally collected information that bases
authorization to view information on how the information is going to
be used, rather than on the nationality of the subject or the
location of collection. The report also proposes a new risk
management approach to sharing classified information that balances
the risk of leaks of classified information with the security risk
that can come from failing to share information with those who need
it to understand the threats to national security. Further, the
report identifies examples of technology that can be used effectively
to provide appropriate oversight and accountability.

For a copy of the report, please visit our website at:  http://
www.markle.org
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From dave at farber.net  Thu Jul 13 15:12:08 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:12:08 -0400
Subject: [IP] California Supreme court prohibits recording Californians
 without their consent - regardless of where you are.
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From rah at shipwright.com  Thu Jul 13 19:14:30 2006
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:14:30 -0400
Subject: [Clips] White House Accepts Review on Eavesdropping, Specter
  Says
Message-ID: <p062309c4c0dcae7fc5c1@[68.167.57.91]>

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  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:01:34 -0400
  To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] White House Accepts Review on Eavesdropping, Specter Says
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com


<http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Eavesdropping.html?ei=5094&en=2441c18a3f8da880&hp=&ex=1152849600&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print>

  The New York Times


  July 13, 2006

  White House Accepts Review on Eavesdropping, Specter Says

  By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

  Filed at 9:07 p.m. ET

  WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush has agreed conditionally to a court
  review of his antiterror eavesdropping operations under a deal that, for
  the first time, would open an important part of his once-secret
  surveillance to a constitutional test.

  The disclosure of the agreement on Thursday came as the White House sought
  to end an impasse over a six-month-old dispute with Congress on the
  National Security Agency's program. It monitors the international calls and
  e-mails of Americans when terrorism is suspected.

  Breaking with historic norms, the president had authorized the monitoring
  without a court warrant.

  Under a deal with the Senate Judiciary Committee chairman, Bush has agreed
  to support a bill that could submit the program to the secretive Foreign
  Intelligence Surveillance Court for a constitutional review.

  ''You have here a recognition by the president that he does not have a
  blank check,'' said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa. As a leading critic of the
  program, he had broken ranks with his party.

  When the program was disclosed in December, it outraged Democrats and civil
  libertarians who said Bush overstepped his authority. On Thursday, advocacy
  groups dismissed the prospect of a judicial review as a sham.

  ''This new bill would codify the notion that the president is not bound by
  the laws passed by Congress or the Constitution,'' said Anthony Romero,
  executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

  Congress must approve the bill. Yet lawmakers have written at least a half
  dozen competing proposals and more are coming.

  Rep. Heather Wilson, R-N.M., who heads the House intelligence subcommittee
  that oversees the NSA, is introducing a measure next week aimed at
  modernizing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. Bush's
  program allowed the agency to avoid that law.

  Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said the administration supports
  Specter's bill, which would allow the government to continue to collect
  information intended to protect the country. ''My understanding from the
  president is that the legislation could be very helpful,'' Gonzales said.

  The administration initially resisted efforts to write a new law,
  contending that no legal changes were needed. But after months of pressure,
  officials have grown more open to legislation.

  White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said the agreement with Specter
  recognizes the president's constitutional authorities and updates the 1978
  law to meet current threats.

  ''What is happening today is that the president and Congress are coming
  together to codify the capacity for future presidents to take action to
  protect our country,'' she said.

  Gonzales said the bill gives Bush the option of submitting the NSA program
  to the intelligence court, rather than requiring the review.

  An administration official said Bush will submit to the review as long the
  bill is not changed in ways that he sees as undermining security. The
  official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the deliberations are
  internal, said the bill would preserve the right of future presidents to
  skip that court review.

  Gonzales said the legislation would allow him to consolidate legal
  challenges to the eavesdropping program at the intelligence court, which he
  described as a one-time test of the program's constitutionality.

  More than 100 lawsuits have been filed in courts across the country.

  Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, the Judiciary Committee's top Democrat, said
  Bush could submit the program to the court right now, if he wished. He
  called the potential legislation ''an interesting bargain.''

  ''He's saying, if you do every single thing I tell you to do, I'll do what
  I should have done anyway,'' Leahy said.

  The legislation also would:

  --Require the attorney general to provide the court with information on the
  program's legal basis, the government's efforts to protect Americans'
  identities and the process used to determine that the intercepted
  communications involve terrorism. Must certify that the information cannot
  be obtained through other investigative means.

  --Expand the time for emergency warrants secured under the law from three
  days to seven days.

  --Increase the criminal penalties for officials who knowingly misuse
  foreign intelligence information.

  --Require the attorney general to inform Congress' intelligence committees
  on the program's activities every six months.

  --At the NSA's request, clarify that international calls that merely pass
  through terminals in the United States are not subject to the judicial
  process established under the law.

  In an interview, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said Specter's agreement
  raises the ''thorny question'' about whether the content of conversations
  should be subject to individual warrants. But Feinstein, one of a few
  lawmakers fully briefed on the NSA program, said she wants to see the bill
  before passing judgment.

  Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies, which
  advocates for civil liberties, said Congress is legislating in the dark
  because so many lawmakers are not privy to the complete briefing.
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From declan at well.com  Fri Jul 14 01:09:24 2006
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:09:24 -0700
Subject: [Politech] White House deal says FISA court will review NSA spying
	[priv]
Message-ID: <mailman.1827.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

News coverage:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/washington/14nsa.html

---

Electronic Frontier Foundation Media Release
For Immediate Release: Friday, July 14, 2006

Proposed Surveillance Bill Would Sweep NSA Spying Programs
Under the Rug

Bill Threatens Future of EFF Case and Other Legal
Challenges

San Francisco - Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen
Specter said today that he has negotiated a proposed bill
with the White House regarding the NSA's illegal spying
program.  While the final bill is not public, a draft of
the bill obtained by the Electronic Frontier Foundation
(EFF) is a sham compromise that would cut off meaningful
legal review -- sweeping current legal challenges out of
the traditional court system and failing to require court
review or congressional oversight of any future
surveillance programs.

"This so-called compromise bill is not a concession from
the White House -- it's a rubber stamp for any future
spying program dreamed up by the executive," said EFF Staff
Attorney Kevin Bankston.  "In essence, this bill threatens
to make court oversight of electronic surveillance
voluntary rather than mandatory."

Although the bill creates a process for the executive
branch to seek court review of its secret surveillance
programs, it doesn't actually require the government to do
so.  The bill would, however, require that any lawsuit
challenging the legality of any classified surveillance
program -- including EFF's class-action suit against AT&T
-- be transferred, at the government's request, to the FISA
Court of Review, a secret court with no procedures for
hearing argument from anyone but the government.  The bill
would further allow the government to prevent the court
from disclosing any information about the government's
surveillance programs to opposing counsel, regardless of
the court's strict security procedures.

"When the privacy of millions of Americans is at stake, we
deserve more than a closed hearing by a secret court," said
EFF Senior Staff Attorney Lee Tien.

For the draft of the Specter bill:
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/NSA/specter_draftbill_071306.pdf

For this release:
http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2006_07.php#004824

About EFF

The Electronic Frontier Foundation is the leading civil
liberties organization working to protect rights in the
digital world. Founded in 1990, EFF actively encourages and
challenges industry and government to support free
expression and privacy online. EFF is a member-supported
organization and maintains one of the most linked-to
websites in the world at http://www.eff.org/


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From dave at farber.net  Fri Jul 14 05:54:48 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:54:48 -0400
Subject: [IP] Proposed Surveillance Bill Would Sweep NSA Spying Programs
 Under the Rug
Message-ID: <mailman.1828.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Electronic Frontier Foundation Media Release

For Immediate Release: Friday, July 14, 2006

Contact:

Kevin Bankston
   Staff Attorney
   Electronic Frontier Foundation
   bankston at eff.org
   +1 415 436-9333 x126

Kurt Opsahl
   Staff Attorney
   Electronic Frontier Foundation
   kurt at eff.org
   +1 415 436-9333 x106

Lee Tien
   Senior Staff Attorney
   Electronic Frontier Foundation
   tien at eff.org
   +1 415 436-9333 x102

Proposed Surveillance Bill Would Sweep NSA Spying Programs
Under the Rug

Bill Threatens Future of EFF Case and Other Legal
Challenges

San Francisco - Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen
Specter said today that he has negotiated a proposed bill
with the White House regarding the NSA's illegal spying
program.  While the final bill is not public, a draft of
the bill obtained by the Electronic Frontier Foundation
(EFF) is a sham compromise that would cut off meaningful
legal review -- sweeping current legal challenges out of
the traditional court system and failing to require court
review or congressional oversight of any future
surveillance programs.

"This so-called compromise bill is not a concession from
the White House -- it's a rubber stamp for any future
spying program dreamed up by the executive," said EFF Staff
Attorney Kevin Bankston.  "In essence, this bill threatens
to make court oversight of electronic surveillance
voluntary rather than mandatory."

Although the bill creates a process for the executive
branch to seek court review of its secret surveillance
programs, it doesn't actually require the government to do
so.  The bill would, however, require that any lawsuit
challenging the legality of any classified surveillance
program -- including EFF's class-action suit against AT&T
-- be transferred, at the government's request, to the FISA
Court of Review, a secret court with no procedures for
hearing argument from anyone but the government.  The bill
would further allow the government to prevent the court
from disclosing any information about the government's
surveillance programs to opposing counsel, regardless of
the court's strict security procedures.

"When the privacy of millions of Americans is at stake, we
deserve more than a closed hearing by a secret court," said
EFF Senior Staff Attorney Lee Tien.

For the draft of the Specter bill:
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/NSA/specter_draftbill_071306.pdf

For this release:
http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2006_07.php#004824

About EFF

The Electronic Frontier Foundation is the leading civil
liberties organization working to protect rights in the
digital world. Founded in 1990, EFF actively encourages and
challenges industry and government to support free
expression and privacy online. EFF is a member-supported
organization and maintains one of the most linked-to
websites in the world at http://www.eff.org/


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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Jul 14 02:01:46 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:01:46 +0200
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] White House deal says FISA court
  will review NSA spying [priv]]
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:54:09 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] California Supreme court prohibits
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Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] Proposed Surveillance Bill Would Sweep
  NSA Spying Programs Under the Rug]
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From rah at shipwright.com  Sat Jul 15 04:01:52 2006
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:01:52 -0400
Subject: [Clips] Odlyzko, et al.: Metcalfe's Law is Wrong
Message-ID: <p06230928c0de7b93d8a1@[68.167.57.91]>

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  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:58:43 -0400
  To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] Odlyzko, et al.: Metcalfe's Law is Wrong
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com


  Andrew Odlyzko does it again...

  Cheers,
  RAH
  --------

  <http://spectrum.ieee.org.nyud.net:8080/print/4109>

  IEEE Spectrum



  Metcalfe's Law is Wrong

  By: Bob Briscoe, Andrew Odlyzko, and Benjamin Tilly


  ILLUSTRATION: SERGE BLOCH

  Of all the popular ideas of the Internet boom, one of the most dangerously
  influential was Metcalfe's Law. Simply put, it says that the value of a
  communications network is proportional to the square of the number of its
  users.

  The law is said to be true for any type of communications network, whether
  it involves telephones, computers, or users of the World Wide Web. While
  the notion of "value" is inevitably somewhat vague, the idea is that a
  network is more valuable the more people you can call or write to or the
  more Web pages you can link to.

  Metcalfe's Law attempts to quantify this increase in value. It is named for
  no less a luminary than Robert M. Metcalfe, the inventor of Ethernet.
  During the Internet boom, the law was an article of faith with
  entrepreneurs, venture capitalists, and engineers, because it seemed to
  offer a quantitative explanation for the boom's various now-quaint mantras,
  like "network effects," "first-mover advantage," "Internet time," and, most
  poignant of all, "build it and they will come."

  By seeming to assure that the value of a network would increase
  quadratically-proportionately to the square of the number of its
  participants-while costs would, at most, grow linearly, Metcalfe's Law gave
  an air of credibility to the mad rush for growth and the neglect of
  profitability. It may seem a mundane observation today, but it was hot
  stuff during the Internet bubble.

  Remarkably enough, though the quaint nostrums of the dot-com era are gone,
  Metcalfe's Law remains, adding a touch of scientific respectability to a
  new wave of investment that is being contemplated, the Bubble 2.0, which
  appears to be inspired by the success of Google. That's dangerous because,
  as we will demonstrate, the law is wrong. If there is to be a new,
  broadband-inspired period of telecommunications growth, it is essential
  that the mistakes of the 1990s not be reprised.

  The law was named in 1993 by George Gilder, publisher of the influential
  Gilder Technology Report. Like Moore's Law, which states that the number of
  transistors on a chip will double every 18 to 20 months, Metcalfe's Law is
  a rough empirical description, not an immutable physical law. Gilder
  proclaimed the law's importance in the development of what came to be
  called "the New Economy."

  Soon afterward, Reed E. Hundt, then the chairman of the U.S. Federal
  Communications Commission, declared that Metcalfe's Law and Moore's Law
  "give us the best foundation for understanding the Internet." A few years
  later, Marc Andreessen, who created the first popular Web browser and went
  on to cofound Netscape, attributed the rapid development of the Web-for
  example, the growth in AOL's subscriber base-to Metcalfe's Law.

  There was some validity to many of the Internet mantras of the bubble
  years. A few very successful dot-coms did exploit the power of the Internet
  to provide services that today yield great profits. But when we look beyond
  that handful of spectacular successes, we see that, overall, the law's
  devotees didn't fare well. For every Yahoo or Google, there were dozens,
  even hundreds, of Pets.coms, EToys, and Excite at Homes, each dedicated to
  increasing its user base instead of its profits, all the while increasing
  expenses without revenue.

  Because of the mind-set created, at least in small part, by Metcalfe's Law,
  even the stocks of rock-solid companies reached absurd heights before
  returning to Earth. The share price of Cisco Systems Inc., San Jose,
  Calif., for example, fell 89 percent-a loss of over US $580 billion in the
  paper value of its stock-between March 2000 and October 2002. And the rapid
  growth of AOL, which Andreessen attributed to Metcalfe's Law, came to a
  screeching halt; the company has struggled, to put it mildly, in the last
  few years.

  Metcalfe's Law was over a dozen years old when Gilder named it. As Metcalfe
  himself remembers it, in a private correspondence with one of the authors,
  "The original point of my law (a 35mm slide circa 1980, way before George
  Gilder named it...) was to establish the existence of a cost-value
  crossover point-critical mass-before which networks don't pay. The trick is
  to get past that point, to establish critical mass." [See "To the Point," a
  reproduction of Metcalfe's historic slide.]

  Metcalfe was ideally situated to watch and analyze the growth of networks
  and their profitability. In the 1970s, first in his Harvard Ph.D. thesis
  and then at the legendary Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, Metcalfe
  developed the Ethernet protocol, which has come to dominate
  telecommunications networks. In the 1980s, he went on to found the highly
  successful networking company 3Com Corp., in Marlborough, Mass. In 1990 he
  became the publisher of the trade periodical InfoWorld and an influential
  high-tech columnist. More recently, he has been a venture capitalist.

  The foundation of his eponymous law is the observation that in a
  communications network with n members, each can make (n-1) connections with
  other participants. If all those connections are equally valuable-and this
  is the big "if" as far as we are concerned-the total value of the network
  is proportional to n(n-1), that is, roughly, n 2. So if, for example, a
  network has 10 members, there are 90 different possible connections that
  one member can make to another. If the network doubles in size, to 20, the
  number of connections doesn't merely double, to 180, it grows to 380-it
  roughly quadruples, in other words.

  If Metcalfe's mathematics were right, how can the law be wrong? Metcalfe
  was correct that the value of a network grows faster than its size in
  linear terms; the question is, how much faster? If there are n members on a
  network, Metcalfe said the value grows quadratically as the number of
  members grows.

  We propose, instead, that the value of a network of size n grows in
  proportion to n log(n). Note that these laws are growth laws, which means
  they cannot predict the value of a network from its size alone. But if we
  already know its valuation at one particular size, we can estimate its
  value at any future size, all other factors being equal.

  The distinction between these laws might seem to be one that only a
  mathematician could appreciate, so let us illustrate it with a simple
  dollar example.


  ILLUSTRATION: SERGE BLOCH

  Imagine a network of 100 000 members that we know brings in $1 million. We
  have to know this starting point in advance-none of the laws can help here,
  as they tell us only about growth. So if the network doubles its membership
  to 200 000, Metcalfe's Law says its value grows by (200 0002/100 0002)
  times, quadrupling to $4 million, whereas the n log(n) law says its value
  grows by 200 000 log(200 000)/100 000 log(100 000) times to only
  $2.1 million. In both cases, the network's growth in value more than
  doubles, still outpacing the growth in members, but the one is a much more
  modest growth than the other. In our view, much of the difference between
  the artificial values of the dot-com era and the genuine value created by
  the Internet can be explained by the difference between the Metcalfe-fueled
  optimism of n 2 and the more sober reality of n log(n).

  This difference will be critical as network investors and managers plan
  better for growth. In North America alone, telecommunications carriers are
  expected to invest $65 billion this year in expanding their networks,
  according to the analytical firm Infonetics Research Inc., in San Jose,
  Calif. As we will show, our rule of thumb for estimating value also has
  implications for companies in the important business of managing
  interconnections between major networks.

  The increasing value of a network as its size increases certainly lies
  somewhere between linear and exponential growth [see diagram, "Growth
  Curves"]. The value of a broadcast network is believed to grow linearly;
  it's a relationship called Sarnoff's Law, named for the pioneering RCA
  television executive and entrepreneur David Sarnoff. At the other extreme,
  exponential-that is, 2n-growth, has been called Reed's Law, in honor of
  computer networking and software pioneer David P. Reed. Reed proposed that
  the value of networks that allow the formation of groups, such as AOL's
  chat rooms or Yahoo's mailing lists, grows proportionally with 2n.

  We admit that our n log(n) valuation of a communications network
  oversimplifies the complicated question of what creates value in a network;
  in particular, it doesn't quantify the factors that subtract from the value
  of a growing network, such as an increase in spam e-mail. Our valuation
  cannot be proved, in the sense of a deductive argument from first
  principles. But if we search for a cogent description of a network's value,
  then n log(n) appears to be the best choice. Not only is it supported by
  several quantitative arguments, but it fits in with observed developments
  in the economy. The n log(n) valuation for a network provides a
  rough-and-ready description of the dynamics that led to the disappointingly
  slow growth in the value of dot-com companies. On the other hand, because
  this growth is faster than the linear growth of Sarnoff's Law, it helps
  explain the occasional dot-com successes we have seen.

  The fundamental flaw underlying both Metcalfe's and Reed's laws is in the
  assignment of equal value to all connections or all groups. The underlying
  problem with this assumption was pointed out a century and a half ago by
  Henry David Thoreau in relation to the very first large telecommunications
  network, then being built in the United States. In his famous book Walden
  (1854), he wrote: "We are in great haste to construct a magnetic telegraph
  from Maine to Texas; but Maine and Texas, it may be, have nothing important
  to communicate."

  As it turns out, Maine did have quite a bit to communicate with Texas-but
  not nearly as much as with, say, Boston and New York City. In general,
  connections are not all used with the same intensity. In fact, in large
  networks, such as the Internet, with millions and millions of potential
  connections between individuals, most are not used at all. So assigning
  equal value to all of them is not justified. This is our basic objection to
  Metcalfe's Law, and it's not a new one: it has been noted by many
  observers, including Metcalfe himself.

  There are common-sense arguments that suggest Metcalfe's and Reed's laws
  are incorrect. For example, Reed's Law says that every new person on a
  network doubles its value. Adding 10 people, by this reasoning, increases
  its value a thousandfold (210). But that does not even remotely fit our
  general expectations of network values-a network with 50 010 people can't
  possibly be worth a thousand times as much as a network with 50 000 people.

  At some point, adding one person would theoretically increase the network
  value by an amount equal to the whole world economy, and adding a few more
  people would make us all immeasurably rich. Clearly, this hasn't happened
  and is not likely to happen. So Reed's Law cannot be correct, even though
  its core insight-that there is value in group formation-is true. And, to be
  fair, just as Metcalfe was aware of the limitations of his law, so was Reed
  of his law's.

  Metcalfe's Law does not lead to conclusions as obviously counterintuitive
  as Reed's Law. But it does fly in the face of a great deal of the history
  of telecommunications: if Metcalfe's Law were true, it would create
  overwhelming incentives for all networks relying on the same technology to
  merge, or at least to interconnect. These incentives would make isolated
  networks hard to explain.

  To see this, consider two networks, each with n members. By Metcalfe's Law,
  each one's value is on the order of n 2, so the total value of both of
  these separate networks is roughly 2n 2. But suppose these two networks
  merge. Then we will effectively have a single network with 2n members,
  which, by Metcalfe's Law, will be worth (2n)2 or 4n 2-twice as much as the
  combined value of the two separate networks.

  Surely it would require a singularly obtuse management, to say nothing of
  stunningly inefficient financial markets, to fail to seize this obvious
  opportunity to double total network value by simply combining the two. Yet
  historically there have been many cases of networks that resisted
  interconnection for a long time. For example, a century ago in the United
  States, the Bell System and the independent phone companies often competed
  in the same neighborhood, with subscribers to one being unable to call
  subscribers to the other. Eventually, through a combination of financial
  maneuvers and political pressure, such systems connected with one another,
  but it took two decades.

  Similarly, in the late 1980s and early 1990s, the commercial online
  companies such as CompuServe, Prodigy, AOL, and MCIMail provided e-mail to
  subscribers, but only within their own systems, and it wasn't until the
  mid-1990s that full interconnection was achieved. More recently we have had
  (and continue to have) controversies about interconnection of instant
  messaging systems and about the free exchange of traffic between Internet
  service providers. The behavior of network operators in these examples is
  hard to explain if the value of a network grows as fast as Metcalfe's n 2.

  There is a further argument to make about interconnecting networks. If
  Metcalfe's Law were true, then two networks ought to interconnect
  regardless of their relative sizes. But in the real world of business and
  networks, only companies of roughly equal size are ever eager to
  interconnect. In most cases, the larger network believes it is helping the
  smaller one far more than it itself is being helped. Typically in such
  cases, the larger network demands some additional compensation before
  interconnecting. Our n log(n) assessment of value is consistent with this
  real-world behavior of networking companies; Metcalfe's n 2 is not. [See
  sidebar, "Making the Connection," for the mathematics behind this argument.]

  We have, as well, developed several quantitative justifications for our n
  log(n) rule-of-thumb valuation of a general communications network of size
  n. The most intuitive one is based on yet another rule of thumb, Zipf's
  Law, named for the 20th-century linguist George Kingsley Zipf.

  Zipf's Law is one of those empirical rules that characterize a surprising
  range of real-world phenomena remarkably well. It says that if we order
  some large collection by size or popularity, the second element in the
  collection will be about half the measure of the first one, the third one
  will be about one-third the measure of the first one, and so on. In
  general, in other words, the kth-ranked item will measure about 1/k of the
  first one.

  To take one example, in a typical large body of English-language text, the
  most popular word, "the," usually accounts for nearly 7 percent of all word
  occurrences. The second-place word, "of," makes up 3.5 percent of such
  occurrences, and the third-place word, "and," accounts for 2.8 percent. In
  other words, the sequence of percentages (7.0, 3.5, 2.8, and so on)
  corresponds closely with the 1/k sequence (1/1, 1/2, 1/3
). Although Zipf
  originally formulated his law to apply just to this phenomenon of word
  frequencies, scientists find that it describes a surprisingly wide range of
  statistical distributions, such as individual wealth and income,
  populations of cities, and even the readership of blogs.

  To understand how Zipf's Law leads to our n log(n) law, consider the
  relative value of a network near and dear to you-the members of your e-mail
  list. Obeying, as they usually do, Zipf's Law, the members of such networks
  can be ranked in the same sort of way that Zipf ranked words-by the number
  of e-mail messages that are in your in-box. Each person's e-mails will
  contribute 1/k to the total "value" of your in-box, where k is the person's
  rank.

  The person ranked No. 1 in volume of correspondence with you thus has a
  value arbitrarily set to 1/1, or 1. (This person corresponds to the word
  "the" in the linguistic example.) The person ranked No. 2 will be assumed
  to contribute half as much, or 1/2. And the person ranked kth will, by
  Zipf's Law, add about 1/k to the total value you assign to this network of
  correspondents.

  That total value to you will be the sum of the decreasing 1/k values of all
  the other members of the network. So if your network has n members, this
  value will be proportional to 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 +
 + 1/(n-1), which approaches
  log(n). More precisely, it will almost equal the sum of log(n) plus a
  constant value. Of course, there are n-1 other members who derive similar
  value from the network, so the value to all n of you increases as n log(n).

  Zipf's Law can also describe in quantitative terms a currently popular
  thesis called The Long Tail. Consider the items in a collection, such as
  the books for sale at Amazon, ranked by popularity. A popularity graph
  would slope downward, with the few dozen most popular books in the upper
  left-hand corner. The graph would trail off to the lower right, and the
  long tail would list the hundreds of thousands of books that sell only one
  or two copies each year. The long tail of the English language-the original
  application of Zipf's Law-would be the several hundred thousand words that
  you hardly ever encounter, such as "floriferous" or "refulgent."

  Taking popularity as a rough measure of value (at least to booksellers like
  Amazon), then the value of each individual item is given by Zipf's Law.
  That is, if we have a million items, then the most popular 100 will
  contribute a third of the total value, the next 10 000 another third, and
  the remaining 989 900 the final third. The value of the collection of n
  items is proportional to log(n).

  Incidentally, this mathematics indicates why online stores are the only
  place to shop if your tastes in books, music, and movies are esoteric.
  Let's say an online music store like Rhapsody or iTunes carries 735 000
  titles, while a traditional brick-and-mortar store will carry 10 000 to 20
  000. The law of long tails says that two-thirds of the online store's
  revenue will come from just the titles that its physical rival carries. In
  other words, a very respectable chunk of revenue-a third-will come from the
  720 000 or so titles that hardly anyone ever buys. And, unlike the cost to
  a brick-and-mortar store, the cost to an online store of holding all that
  inventory is minimal. So it makes good sense for them to stock all those
  incredibly slow-selling titles.

  At a time when telecommunications is the key infrastructure for the global
  economy, providers need to make fundamental decisions about whether they
  will be pure providers of connectivity or make their money by selling or
  reselling content, such as television and movies. It is essential that they
  value their enterprises correctly-neither overvaluing the business of
  providing content nor overvaluing, as Metcalfe's Law does, the business of
  providing connectivity. Their futures are filled with risks and
  opportunities. We believe if they value the growth in their networks as n
  log(n), they will be better equipped to navigate the choppy waters that lie
  ahead.

  About the Authors

  BOB BRISCOE is chief researcher at Networks Research Centre, BT (formerly
  British Telecom), in Ipswich, England. ANDREW ODLYZKO is a professor of
  mathematics and the director of the Digital Technology Center at the
  University of Minnesota, in Minneapolis. BENJAMIN TILLY is a senior
  programmer at Rent.com, a dot-com company that actually made money, in
  Santa Monica, Calif.

  To Probe Further

  David P. Reed argues for his law in "The Sneaky Exponential" on his Web
  site at http://www.reed.com/Papers/GFN/reedslaw.html.

  Several additional quantitative arguments are made for the n log(n) value
  for Metcalfe's Law on the authors' Web sites at
  http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/B.Briscoe and http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko.

  Chris Anderson's article "The Long Tail" was featured in the October 2004
  issue of Wired. Anderson now has an entire Web site devoted to the topic at
  http://www.thelongtail.com.

  George Gilder dubbed Metcalfe's observation a law in his "Metcalfe's Law
  and Legacy," an article that was published in the 13 September 1993 issue
  of Forbes ASAP.

  An article in the December 2003 issue of IEEE Spectrum, "5 Commandments,"
  which can be found at http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/dec03/5com, discusses
  Moore's and Metcalfe's laws, as well as three others: Rock's Law ("the cost
  of semiconductor tools doubles every four years"); Machrone's Law ("the PC
  you want to buy will always be $5000"); and Wirth's Law ("software is
  slowing faster than hardware is accelerating").



  Figure 1


  GROWTH CURVES: How much more valuable does a network become as it grows?
  That depends on what kind of network it is. Let's say you have n users. The
  value of a television or some other broadcast network grows linearly, as
  shown by Sarnoff's Law [green] here. At the other extreme, according to
  Reed's Law [purple], growth in value of certain networks-those that can
  form groups, such as e-mail lists-is exponential (2n). In between are
  ordinary, member-based networks such as AOL, or all of AT&T's phone
  customers. Metcalfe's Law [red] says they grow in value quadratically (n
  2). We argue, instead, that such growth increases logarithmically as
  n log(n) [blue], a much slower rate.

  ILLUSTRATION: SERGE BLOCH



  Figure 2


  TO THE POINT: Robert Metcalfe's original circa-1980 slide, reproduced here,
  argued that because the value of a network increased quadratically, it
  would quickly surpass its costs, which grew linearly.

  ILLUSTRATION: SERGE BLOCH



  Sidebar 1

  Making the Connection

  By: B.B., A.O. & B.T.

  A network grows not only by the addition of single members. It can jump in
  size by interconnecting or merging with another network. If two networks
  are of similar size, each would see roughly the same increase in value if
  they combined. You would expect them to interconnect, and indeed, networks
  of comparable size do so routinely. But when one network is much bigger
  than the other, the larger one usually resists interconnecting.

  If Metcalfe's Law were true, no matter what the relative sizes of two
  networks, both would gain the same amount by uniting, making the observed
  behavior seem irrational [see table below, "The Value of Interconnecting"].
  If our n log(n) law holds (or other laws with growth rates falling between
  ours and Metcalfe's), then, as the table shows, the smaller network would
  gain more than the larger one. For example, if the larger network is eight
  times as large as the smaller one, its gain would be less than half that of
  the smaller one. This clearly reduces the incentive for the owners of the
  larger network to interconnect without compensation.

  This model of network interconnection is simplistic, of course, and it does
  not deal with other important aspects that enter into actual negotiations,
  such as a network's geographical span, its balance of outgoing and incoming
  traffic, and any number of additional factors. All we are trying to show is
  that there may be sound economic reasons, besides raw market power, for
  larger networks to demand payment for interconnection with smaller ones. In
  fact, that's a common phenomenon in real life.

  Our n log(n) law describes best the increase in value of a single network
  as it grows through acquisition of individual members. But our law should
  not be applied directly to evaluate the effects of connecting separate
  networks. Another important consideration is the degree to which groups
  that value each other highly are already contained within the networks
  being combined, a factor called clustering.

  When clustering is weak, the people you tend to communicate with the
  most-family members, work colleagues, fellow hobbyists, and so on-are not
  on the same network you are. In these cases, the value of connecting
  separate networks can be higher than our n log(n) law predicts.

  Nonetheless, given that most networks grow organically, with people drawing
  in the people closest to them, the majority of networks are strongly
  clustered. Therefore, in most networks, n log(n) appears to be the best
  simple description of network value in terms of the network's size.





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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 19 09:06:18 2006
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:06:18 -0400
Subject: Cracking RSA?
In-Reply-To: <200607102031.k6AKVifn020358@artifact.psychedelic.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F202C9F64D8CAB20E75ECC29B600@phx.gbl>

I was thinking about this statement...

>I'd bet money the NSA has been able to crack RSA since 1996.
>
>--
>Eric Michael Cordian 0+
>O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
>"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

By this I assume you don't mean through buffer overflows or exploiting 
obscure bits of cluelessness. You mean "brute force", but (obviously) 
through the use of algorithms we Spy-ees aren't aware of.

I'd say that's absurd paranoid thinking, but on the other hand...
1. There's been no 'proof' per se about the intractability of factoring, 
correct?
2. Seems like the Feds veryu suddenly gave up fighting encryption a few 
years ago. I assumed this was because of the rapid rise of electronic 
transactions and communications, but maybe...
3. We never discover anything that makes us realize that the factoring 
problem is a lot HARDER than we realized....every few years there's a small 
inroad made here for this kind of prime factor, another discovery there and 
so on that renders RSA fairly trivial for certain categories of primes. 
Given several footbalfields' worth of well-payed encryption talent working 
for several decades, seems to me they could certainly at least be ahead of 
the civilian world in this area (silicon chip fabrication is another issue 
entirely, however).

Is this correct?

If the statement is true (ie, 'NSA has been able to crack RSA...'), it's not 
necessarily the end of the world. I'd bet that it's still potentially VERY 
expensive on average, though the scary thing is that some messages might 
fall apart easily. In fact...a search for a subtle and inexplicable steering 
of the prime space used by some implementations would be telling. Am I 
talking out my ass here?

Another interesting thing is that it almost doesn't matter. Buffer overflows 
and other indirect attack are such that one should consider a lone encrypted 
message sitting out there like a sitting duck painted bright red. Better 
still to paint that duck white and stick him in a bigass flock. In other 
words, it might make sense at this point to regard RSA as crackable and then 
rethink how to hide the significance of encryption itself...

-TD




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From: xnubacw at netfor995.com.jfet.org (&#129;Best This WeightLoss Program)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:27:41 -0500
Subject: Someone Tells me what is Ephedra?
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From morlockelloi at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 20 08:57:23 2006
From: morlockelloi at yahoo.com (Morlock Elloi)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:57:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Cracking RSA?
In-Reply-To: <BAY116-F202C9F64D8CAB20E75ECC29B600@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060720155723.9276.qmail@web35212.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There is a constant 20 years lag between a crack and public awareness of the
same. We'll know in 2016.

But you are reasonably safe in the meantime - remember, during WW2 Germans
submarines were allowed to sink many ships in order to mask breaking of Enigma.
The tactic for others was to send planes to 'accidentally' spot the submarine.
All analogies are perfectly valid today. To maintain the potential crack
technology an asset, they will have to use plausible classical means of
discovering the plaintext.


> >I'd bet money the NSA has been able to crack RSA since 1996.


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Subject: Sick of 9-6 Job?
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From rah at shipwright.com  Thu Jul 20 13:03:14 2006
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:03:14 -0400
Subject: [Clips] Judge rules against government in spying lawsuit
Message-ID: <p06230958c0e591fe21f8@[68.167.57.91]>

--- begin forwarded text


  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:56:51 -0400
  To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] Judge rules against government in spying lawsuit
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com


<http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2006/07/20/state/n120253D53.DTL&type=printable>



  Judge rules against government in spying lawsuit

  - By DAVID KRAVETS, AP Legal Affairs Writer

  Thursday, July 20, 2006

  (07-20) 12:51 PDT San Francisco (AP) --

  A federal judge on Thursday rejected a government bid to dismiss a lawsuit
  challenging the Bush administration's domestic spying program, saying it
  failed to qualify as a "state secret" because it had been widely reported.

  U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker said a case could go forward over AT&T's
  alleged involvement in President Bush's surveillance program adopted after
  the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

  "The compromise between liberty and security remains a difficult one,"
  Walker wrote in his ruling. "But dismissing this case at the outset would
  sacrifice liberty for no apparent enhancement of security."

  The government invoked the so-called "state secrets privilege" and said the
  case by Electronic Frontier Foundation should be thrown out because it
  threatens to reveal state secrets and jeopardize the war on terror.

  "It might appear that none of the subject matter in this litigation could
  be considered a secret given that the alleged surveillance programs have
  been so widely reported in the media," Walker said in his ruling.

  The case is one of dozens nationwide against telecoms and the government
  alleging they are illegally intercepting Americans' electronic
  communications without warrants. Thursday's decision was the first to
  address the state secrets defense.

  The Justice Department did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

  The lawsuit by the privacy group tests the constitutionality of Bush's
  asserted wartime powers to eavesdrop on Americans without warrants. The
  government intervened and said that divulging information about any alleged
  collusion between AT&T and the government could subject AT&T employees and
  facilities to attack and would enable terrorists "to communicate more
  securely."

  The legal tactic of state secrets privilege, first recognized by the U.S.
  Supreme Court in a McCarthy-era lawsuit, has been increasingly and
  successfully invoked by federal lawyers seeking to shield the government
  from scrutiny by the courts, from espionage cases and patent disputes to
  routine employment discrimination lawsuits.

  The president confirmed in December that the National Security Agency has
  been conducting warrantless surveillance of calls and e-mails thought to
  involve al-Qaida terrorists if at least one of the parties to the
  communication is outside the United States.

  The administration is mum on whether purely domestic calls and electronic
  communications are being monitored as the suit alleges.

  The suit was brought by EFF on behalf of customers of San Antonio-based
  AT&T. The group accuses the telecom of illegally cooperating with the NSA
  to make communications on AT&T networks available to the spy agency without
  warrants.

  The EFF asked Judge Walker to rule on whether the president possesses
  wartime powers to authorize warrantless eavesdropping in the United States
  without publicly disclosing any classified or sensitive material. The EFF
  charged that AT&T, which neither confirms nor denies the allegations,
  practices "wholesale surveillance" of its customers.

  Walker also declined to dismiss AT&T from the case.

  "AT&T cannot seriously contend that a reasonable entity in its position
  could have believed that the alleged domestic dragnet was legal," Walker
  wrote.

  The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the state secrets defense as recently as
  January, when it rejected an appeal from a former covert CIA officer who
  accused the agency of racial discrimination. And in May, citing the state
  secrets defense, the government urged a federal judge in Virginia to block
  a lawsuit by a German national who says he was illegally held and tortured
  in a CIA-run prison in Afghanistan for four months.

  The Supreme Court first recognized the state secrets doctrine in 1953, when
  it dismissed a lawsuit against the government brought by family members of
  people killed in a plane wreck while testing secret electronic surveillance
  equipment.

  The case is Hepting v. AT&T Inc., 06-0672.


  --
  -----------------
  R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
  The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
  44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
  "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
  [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
  experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
  _______________________________________________
  Clips mailing list
  Clips at philodox.com
  http://www.philodox.com/mailman/listinfo/clips

--- end forwarded text


-- 
-----------------
R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jul 20 09:18:23 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:18:23 +0200
Subject: Cracking RSA?
In-Reply-To: <20060720155723.9276.qmail@web35212.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY116-F202C9F64D8CAB20E75ECC29B600@phx.gbl>
  <20060720155723.9276.qmail@web35212.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060720161823.GT14701@leitl.org>

On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:57:23AM -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote:

> There is a constant 20 years lag between a crack and public awareness of
the
> same. We'll know in 2016.

It's too bad gpg doesn't support use of large one-time pad files, one
for a single recipient, or a group of recipients.

> But you are reasonably safe in the meantime - remember, during WW2 Germans

I use encryption for the same reason I use envelopes for my mail.
It puts up a higher threshold for getting at the contents.
NSA recommends to move on to elliptic curve crypto
http://www.nsa.gov/ia/industry/crypto_elliptic_curve.cfm
whether this is something they can break far more easily,
or because nobody can crack it but them, or because
nobody can yet crack it.

Related question: do you think AES is weaker than 3DES?

> submarines were allowed to sink many ships in order to mask breaking of
Enigma.
> The tactic for others was to send planes to 'accidentally' spot the
submarine.
> All analogies are perfectly valid today. To maintain the potential crack
> technology an asset, they will have to use plausible classical means of
> discovering the plaintext.

--
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______________________________________________________________
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 21 07:41:08 2006
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:41:08 -0400
Subject: Judge rules against government: 1st Annual Cypherpunks Award
In-Reply-To: <p06230958c0e591fe21f8@[68.167.57.91]>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F35F98BD6ABF7136E251FC09B660@phx.gbl>

It's interesting to consider that Wired may have deliberately published as 
much as it could about AT&T in order to defuse the claim that a public trial 
would compromise national security--if the details are already publically 
available then that argument fails.

A very cypherpunkly action. I nominate Wired for the 1st annual Cypherpunks 
award. We should also have a "Needs Killing" AP award...

-TD


>From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [Clips] Judge rules against government in spying lawsuit
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:03:14 -0400
>
>--- begin forwarded text
>
>
>   Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
>   Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
>   Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:56:51 -0400
>   To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
>   From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>   Subject: [Clips] Judge rules against government in spying lawsuit
>   Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
>   Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com
>
>
><http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2006/07/20/state/n120253D53.DTL&type=printable>
>
>
>
>   Judge rules against government in spying lawsuit
>
>   - By DAVID KRAVETS, AP Legal Affairs Writer
>
>   Thursday, July 20, 2006
>
>   (07-20) 12:51 PDT San Francisco (AP) --
>
>   A federal judge on Thursday rejected a government bid to dismiss a 
>lawsuit
>   challenging the Bush administration's domestic spying program, saying it
>   failed to qualify as a "state secret" because it had been widely 
>reported.
>
>   U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker said a case could go forward over 
>AT&T's
>   alleged involvement in President Bush's surveillance program adopted 
>after
>   the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
>
>   "The compromise between liberty and security remains a difficult one,"
>   Walker wrote in his ruling. "But dismissing this case at the outset 
>would
>   sacrifice liberty for no apparent enhancement of security."
>
>   The government invoked the so-called "state secrets privilege" and said 
>the
>   case by Electronic Frontier Foundation should be thrown out because it
>   threatens to reveal state secrets and jeopardize the war on terror.
>
>   "It might appear that none of the subject matter in this litigation 
>could
>   be considered a secret given that the alleged surveillance programs have
>   been so widely reported in the media," Walker said in his ruling.
>
>   The case is one of dozens nationwide against telecoms and the government
>   alleging they are illegally intercepting Americans' electronic
>   communications without warrants. Thursday's decision was the first to
>   address the state secrets defense.
>
>   The Justice Department did not immediately return calls seeking comment.
>
>   The lawsuit by the privacy group tests the constitutionality of Bush's
>   asserted wartime powers to eavesdrop on Americans without warrants. The
>   government intervened and said that divulging information about any 
>alleged
>   collusion between AT&T and the government could subject AT&T employees 
>and
>   facilities to attack and would enable terrorists "to communicate more
>   securely."
>
>   The legal tactic of state secrets privilege, first recognized by the 
>U.S.
>   Supreme Court in a McCarthy-era lawsuit, has been increasingly and
>   successfully invoked by federal lawyers seeking to shield the government
>   from scrutiny by the courts, from espionage cases and patent disputes to
>   routine employment discrimination lawsuits.
>
>   The president confirmed in December that the National Security Agency 
>has
>   been conducting warrantless surveillance of calls and e-mails thought to
>   involve al-Qaida terrorists if at least one of the parties to the
>   communication is outside the United States.
>
>   The administration is mum on whether purely domestic calls and 
>electronic
>   communications are being monitored as the suit alleges.
>
>   The suit was brought by EFF on behalf of customers of San Antonio-based
>   AT&T. The group accuses the telecom of illegally cooperating with the 
>NSA
>   to make communications on AT&T networks available to the spy agency 
>without
>   warrants.
>
>   The EFF asked Judge Walker to rule on whether the president possesses
>   wartime powers to authorize warrantless eavesdropping in the United 
>States
>   without publicly disclosing any classified or sensitive material. The 
>EFF
>   charged that AT&T, which neither confirms nor denies the allegations,
>   practices "wholesale surveillance" of its customers.
>
>   Walker also declined to dismiss AT&T from the case.
>
>   "AT&T cannot seriously contend that a reasonable entity in its position
>   could have believed that the alleged domestic dragnet was legal," Walker
>   wrote.
>
>   The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the state secrets defense as recently as
>   January, when it rejected an appeal from a former covert CIA officer who
>   accused the agency of racial discrimination. And in May, citing the 
>state
>   secrets defense, the government urged a federal judge in Virginia to 
>block
>   a lawsuit by a German national who says he was illegally held and 
>tortured
>   in a CIA-run prison in Afghanistan for four months.
>
>   The Supreme Court first recognized the state secrets doctrine in 1953, 
>when
>   it dismissed a lawsuit against the government brought by family members 
>of
>   people killed in a plane wreck while testing secret electronic 
>surveillance
>   equipment.
>
>   The case is Hepting v. AT&T Inc., 06-0672.
>
>
>   --
>   -----------------
>   R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
>   The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
>   44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
>   "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
>   [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
>   experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
>   _______________________________________________
>   Clips mailing list
>   Clips at philodox.com
>   http://www.philodox.com/mailman/listinfo/clips
>
>--- end forwarded text
>
>
>--
>-----------------
>R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
>The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
>44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
>"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
>[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
>experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 06:09:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Indian govt. orders removal of allmost all blog blocks
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From ross at stapleton-gray.com  Tue Jul 25 01:02:13 2006
From: ross at stapleton-gray.com (Ross Stapleton-Gray)
Date: July 25, 2006 1:02:13 PM EDT
Subject: [IP] RFID Clonable
Message-ID: <mailman.1829.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

At 07:48 AM 7/25/2006, David Farber wrote:
>In case anyone needed more proof that we're all living in a Philip K.
>Dick novel, a pair of hackers have recently demonstrated how human-
>implantable
>RFID chips from VeriChip can be easily cloned, effectively stealing
>the
>person's identity.
>...
>For its part, VeriChip has only said they haven't yet had a chance
>to review the evidence but still
>insist that "it's very difficult to steal a VeriChip."

Certainly literally true, if by "steal" one means, "get one's hands
on the original, e.g., pry one out of Annalee Newitz's arm."

But we should recongize that the vast majority of RFID applications
[BUT NOT ALL djf]  don't depend on inability to clone them.  RFID
tags in most commerce will be as unclonable as license plates, which
anyone with a little tin, paint and shop skills could zap out copies
of, but which nonetheless serve as a cheap means for reasonably
reliable identification.  Think of most RFID applications as just
like print bar codes; there have been various cases of fraud
committed against systems employing the latter, most notably where
thieves use bar codes for inferior goods to purchase expensive ones
("Bar code says that's a drill bit, and it looks like a drill
bit...") then return the goods to pocket the difference in price.

The new wrinkle that RFID offers for commerce here is uniqueness: the
local Home Depot currently knows that it has 500 units of carbide
drill bit, all bearing identical bar codes... in an item-level RFID
tagged world, it would know 500 unique serials, so spoofing the
checkout clerk with a false tag becomes a little harder.  And, with
unique tags, it becomes easier to compile and retain longitudinal
dossiers on "where has this thing been?" (if the various parties in
supply chain actually read the tags): this is the aspect that will be
used for pharmaceutical knockoff detection, where the overarching
RFID tracking and management system will be able to provide some
provenance information ("This very bottle was allegedly seen in
Singapore 3 hours ago... something's not right").  This is also one
of the more privacy-invasive aspects.

I've seen one research effort (an NSF SBIR) looking at creating
unclonable RFID thus far, which basically works, I believe, by
extracting a physical signature of the item to be tagged (in the
awarded research, it was magnetic signatures), and using that as part
of the unique key, or perhaps registering that signature in an off-
chip database that would need to be additionally queried.

In the VeriChip hack, you might address the problem that that little
chip merely spits out a unique ID that anyone who can read can
rewrite into a new chip by having the implanted chip also encode some
(relatively) unclonable aspect of the person the chip is embedded in,
e.g., you can still "steal" the unique ID, but could only then use it
in a chip in another (1) female; with (2) brown eyes; (3) blood type
AB-; etc.; etc.  But so far as I know the VeriChip used in human
implants is just that little unique number... its value as a unique
ID for security authentication depends a lot on it being hidden from
3rd party readers.  Of course, we have this problem in spades all
over the place... your SSN, or credit card number, can be fairly
easily abused by anyone who knows it, despite the fact that you have
to expose it to a lot of parties, many, many times over the course of
a year.

Ross




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From b.malin at vanderbilt.edu  Tue Jul 25 10:10:47 2006
From: b.malin at vanderbilt.edu (Brad Malin)
Date: July 25, 2006 10:10:47 AM EDT
Subject: RFID Clonable
Message-ID: <mailman.1830.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Hi Dave, remember a couple of years ago when you said you wanted to
clone
and repeat RFIDs - apparently someone has built the system to it.

-brad


http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/24/verichips-human-implatable-rfid-
chips-clo
nable-sez-hackers/

VeriChip's human-implatable RFID chips clonable, sez hackers
Posted Jul 24th 2006 4:14PM by Donald Melanson
Filed under: Misc. Gadgets, Wireless

In case anyone needed more proof that we're all living in a Philip K.
Dick
novel, a pair of hackers have recently demonstrated how human-
implantable
RFID chips from VeriChip can be easily cloned, effectively stealing the
person's identity. Annalee Newitz and Jonathan Westhues showed off their
handiwork at the HOPE Number Six conference in New York City this
weekend,
with Newitz herself playing the role of guinea pig, implanting a
VeriChip
RFID chip in her right arm. To clone the chip, Westhues first red
Newitz's
arm with a standard RFID reader, then scanned it again with a homebrew
antenna connected to his laptop, which recorded the signal off the
chip. He
then used the same RFID reader to read the signal from his laptop, which
promptly spit out Newtiz's supposedly unique ID. For its part,
VeriChip has
only said they haven't yet had a chance to review the evidence but still
insist that "it's very difficult to steal a VeriChip."



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From dave at farber.net  Tue Jul 25 07:48:56 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:48:56 -0400
Subject: [IP] RFID Clonable
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Subject: [IP] more on  RFID Clonable
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:52:24 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] RFID Clonable]
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From m.dodge at manchester.ac.uk  Tue Jul 25 12:29:05 2006
From: m.dodge at manchester.ac.uk (martin dodge)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:29:05 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Geowanking] Google Earth as the 'view from nowhere': CFP for the
 Association of American Geographers 2007 conference
Message-ID: <mailman.1833.1576007695.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



Hello, I hope this might be of interest to some people on the list.
cheers
martin
-----

Call for papers - 2007 Association of American Geographers Annual Conference.
17-21 April 2007, San Francisco, California, USA.
http://www.aag.org/annualmeetings/SF2007/


Google Earth as the 'view from nowhere': the spatial politics of
high-resolution satellite imagery

Session organisers:
Chris Perkins and Martin Dodge
Geography, School of Environment and Development, University of Manchester


Context:
Google Earth, and various internet portals, offer ubiquitous
high-resolution satellite imagery at unprecedented detail to a global
audience through simple interfaces. The capabilities and technical beauty
of Google Earth, in particular, has garnered wide spread praise and a
rapidly growing fan-base. Given this impact, now is an apposite time for
considered reflection on exactly what can been seen with satellite imagery
and thinking through the spatial politics of newly accessible images of
the world.

Pictures taken from satellites orbiting high above the Earth offer people
a seductively objective view of the world below, termed by Thomas Nagel
the 'view from nowhere'. This mirror-like viewpoint over territory, has
until recently, been for the most part the preserve of military forces and
states have jealously guarded their visual power in the interest of
national security. But recent technological and social change has led to
increasing spatial and temporal data resolution becoming much more widely
available, in large part because the 'mirror' is being commercialised, and
significantly access through the internet portals seems to be offering a
means of challenging the power of the formerly elite discourse.

We invite theoretically informed analysis that questions the ontological
surety of satellite imagery.


Suggested themes:

# Explore the tensions between transparency and secrecy that percolate
debates about access to high-resolution satellite imagery.

# Reflect on the potential for progressive use of imagery by non-state
actors to challenge established power relations.

# Examine the politics of  socio-technical infrastructures and corporate
practices that underpin image dissemination, censorship and manipulation.

# Critique the naturalizing power of the interfaces to systems like Google
Earth, particularly in relation to the military origins of these systems.

# Question the uneven spatial provision of imagery and the commercial
logics of points of interest databases.

# Analyse growing mass media use of high-resolution satellite imagery.

# Evaluate alternative visualities from artists who employ the 'view from
nowhere' to problematize relations between subject and object.

# Interrogate notions of satellite ethics, particularly relating to
individual privacy and community rights.

# Situate the potential of progressive pedagogy employing high-resolution
satellite imagery.

# Assess the cultural meanings attached the imagery and the nature of the
new community of practices emerging (such as 'black helicopter' spotters).

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Proposed papers in the form of a title and short abstract (250 words
maximum) should be submitted to Martin Dodge (m.dodge at manchester.ac.uk) by
15th September 2006.

Further details on the paper requirements and registration for the AAG
meeting are at http://www.aag.org/annualmeetings/SF2007/call4papers.cfm

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Geography,
School of Environment and Development,
The University of Manchester,
Oxford Road, Manchester, M13 9PL, UK



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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Jul 25 12:02:50 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:02:50 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on  RFID Clonable]
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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Jul 25 12:45:09 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:45:09 +0200
Subject: [m.dodge@manchester.ac.uk: [Geowanking] Google Earth as the
  'view from nowhere': CFP for the Association of American Geographers
  2007 conference]
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From ogjmvl at aaccess.net  Wed Jul 26 07:40:11 2006
From: ogjmvl at aaccess.net (Online Degrees Newsletter)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:40:11 -0800
Subject: Dr YOUR NAME, will it bring raise your income?
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 26 04:21:44 2006
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:21:44 -0400
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on RFID Clonable]
In-Reply-To: <20060725190249.GX14701@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F26991214C58895EF3D8E9D9B5B0@phx.gbl>

Well, the next question is whether we can surreptitiously insert an ID into 
someone's implanted tag, The possibilities are amusing to say the least...

-TD


>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [dave at farber.net: [IP] more on  RFID Clonable]
>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:02:50 +0200
>
>----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave at farber.net> -----
>
>From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:55:12 -0400
>To: ip at v2.listbox.com
>Subject: [IP] more on  RFID Clonable
>X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2)
>Reply-To: dave at farber.net
>
>
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>From: Ross Stapleton-Gray <ross at stapleton-gray.com>
>Date: July 25, 2006 1:02:13 PM EDT
>To: dave at farber.net
>Subject: Re: [IP] RFID Clonable
>
>At 07:48 AM 7/25/2006, David Farber wrote:
> >In case anyone needed more proof that we're all living in a Philip K.
> >Dick novel, a pair of hackers have recently demonstrated how human-
> >implantable
> >RFID chips from VeriChip can be easily cloned, effectively stealing
> >the
> >person's identity.
> >...
> >For its part, VeriChip has only said they haven't yet had a chance
> >to review the evidence but still
> >insist that "it's very difficult to steal a VeriChip."
>
>Certainly literally true, if by "steal" one means, "get one's hands
>on the original, e.g., pry one out of Annalee Newitz's arm."
>
>But we should recongize that the vast majority of RFID applications
>[BUT NOT ALL djf]  don't depend on inability to clone them.  RFID
>tags in most commerce will be as unclonable as license plates, which
>anyone with a little tin, paint and shop skills could zap out copies
>of, but which nonetheless serve as a cheap means for reasonably
>reliable identification.  Think of most RFID applications as just
>like print bar codes; there have been various cases of fraud
>committed against systems employing the latter, most notably where
>thieves use bar codes for inferior goods to purchase expensive ones
>("Bar code says that's a drill bit, and it looks like a drill
>bit...") then return the goods to pocket the difference in price.
>
>The new wrinkle that RFID offers for commerce here is uniqueness: the
>local Home Depot currently knows that it has 500 units of carbide
>drill bit, all bearing identical bar codes... in an item-level RFID
>tagged world, it would know 500 unique serials, so spoofing the
>checkout clerk with a false tag becomes a little harder.  And, with
>unique tags, it becomes easier to compile and retain longitudinal
>dossiers on "where has this thing been?" (if the various parties in
>supply chain actually read the tags): this is the aspect that will be
>used for pharmaceutical knockoff detection, where the overarching
>RFID tracking and management system will be able to provide some
>provenance information ("This very bottle was allegedly seen in
>Singapore 3 hours ago... something's not right").  This is also one
>of the more privacy-invasive aspects.
>
>I've seen one research effort (an NSF SBIR) looking at creating
>unclonable RFID thus far, which basically works, I believe, by
>extracting a physical signature of the item to be tagged (in the
>awarded research, it was magnetic signatures), and using that as part
>of the unique key, or perhaps registering that signature in an off-
>chip database that would need to be additionally queried.
>
>In the VeriChip hack, you might address the problem that that little
>chip merely spits out a unique ID that anyone who can read can
>rewrite into a new chip by having the implanted chip also encode some
>(relatively) unclonable aspect of the person the chip is embedded in,
>e.g., you can still "steal" the unique ID, but could only then use it
>in a chip in another (1) female; with (2) brown eyes; (3) blood type
>AB-; etc.; etc.  But so far as I know the VeriChip used in human
>implants is just that little unique number... its value as a unique
>ID for security authentication depends a lot on it being hidden from
>3rd party readers.  Of course, we have this problem in spades all
>over the place... your SSN, or credit card number, can be fairly
>easily abused by anyone who knows it, despite the fact that you have
>to expose it to a lot of parties, many, many times over the course of
>a year.
>
>Ross
>
>
>
>
>----
>Ross Stapleton-Gray, Ph.D.
>Stapleton-Gray & Associates, Inc.
>http://www.stapleton-gray.com
>http://www.sortingdoor.com
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>
>
>
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From OrtonCaitlyneypv at 711.net  Wed Jul 26 06:40:26 2006
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:40:26 -0500 EDT 
Subject: We never repent of having eaten too little
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From rforno at infowarrior.org  Wed Jul 26 10:54:17 2006
From: rforno at infowarrior.org (Richard Forno)
Date: July 26, 2006 10:54:17 PM EDT
Subject: Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd
Message-ID: <mailman.1834.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd

By Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Police+Blotter+Laptop+border+searches+OKd/
2100-1030_3-60
98939.html

Story last modified Wed Jul 26 18:12:18 PDT 2006

"Police blotter" is a weekly CNET News.com report on the intersection of
technology and the law.

What: A business traveler protests the warrantless search and seizure
of his
laptop by Homeland Security at the U.S.-Canada border.

When: 9th Circuit Court of Appeals rules on July 24.

Outcome: Three-judge panel unanimously says that border police may
conduct
random searches of laptops without search warrants or probable cause.
These
searches can include seizing the laptop and subjecting it to extensive
forensic analysis.

What happened, according to court documents:

In January 2004, Stuart Romm traveled to Las Vegas to attend a training
seminar for his new employer. Then, on Feb. 1, Romm continued the
business
trip by boarding a flight to Kelowna, British Columbia.

Romm was denied entry by the Canadian authorities because of his
criminal
history. When he returned to the Seattle-Tacoma airport, he was
interviewed
by two agents of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement
division.

They asked to search his laptop, and Romm agreed. Agent Camille
Sugrue would
later testify that she used the "EnCase" software to do a forensic
analysis
of Romm's hard drive.

That analysis and a subsequent one found some 42 child pornography
images,
which had been present in the cache used by Romm's Web browser and then
deleted. But because in most operating systems, only the directory
entry is
removed when a file is "deleted," the forensic analysis was able to
recover
the actual files.

During the trial, Romm's attorney asked that the evidence from the
border
search be suppressed. The trial judge disagreed. Romm was eventually
sentenced to two concurrent terms of 10 and 15 years for knowingly
receiving
and knowingly possessing child pornography.

The 9th Circuit refused to overturn his conviction, ruling that American
citizens effectively enjoy no right to privacy when stopped at the
border.

"We hold first that the ICE's forensic analysis of Romm's laptop was
permissible without probable cause or a warrant under the border search
doctrine," wrote Judge Carlos Bea. Joining him in the decision were
Judges
David Thompson and Betty Fletcher.

Bea cited the 1985 case of U.S. v. Montoya de Hernandez, in which a
woman
arriving in Los Angeles from Columbia was detained. Police believed
she had
swallowed balloons filled with cocaine, even though the court said
they had
no "clear indication" of it and did not have probable cause to search
her.

Nevertheless, the Supreme Court said police could rectally examine De
Hernandez because it was a border crossing and, essentially, anything
goes.
(The rectal examination, by the way, did find 88 balloons filled with
cocaine that had been smuggled in her alimentary canal.)

Justices William Brennan and Thurgood Marshall dissented. They said the
situation De Hernandez experienced had "the hallmark of a police state."

"To be sure, the court today invokes precedent stating that neither
probable
cause nor a warrant ever have been required for border searches,"
Brennan
wrote. "If this is the law as a general matter, I believe it is time
that we
re-examine its foundations."

But Brennan and Marshall were outvoted by their fellow justices, who
ruled
that the drug war trumped privacy, citing a "veritable national
crisis in
law enforcement caused by smuggling of illicit narcotics." Today their
decision means that laptop-toting travelers should expect no privacy
either.

As an aside, a report last year from a U.S.-based marijuana activist
says
U.S. border guards looked through her digital camera snapshots and
likely
browsed through her laptop's contents. A London-based correspondent
for The
Economist magazine once reported similar firsthand experiences, and a
1998
article in The New York Times described how British customs scan
laptops for
sexual material. Here are some tips on using encryption to protect your
privacy.

Excerpt from the court's opinion (Click here for PDF):

"First, we address whether the forensic analysis of Romm's laptop falls
under the border search exception to the warrant requirement...Under the
border search exception, the government may conduct routine searches of
persons entering the United States without probable cause, reasonable
suspicion, or a warrant. For Fourth Amendment purposes, an international
airport terminal is the "functional equivalent" of a border. Thus,
passengers deplaning from an international flight are subject to routine
border searches.

Romm argues he was not subject to a warrantless border search because he
never legally crossed the U.S.-Canada border. We have held the
government
must be reasonably certain that the object of a border search has
crossed
the border to conduct a valid border search....In all these cases,
however,
the issue was whether the person searched had physically crossed the
border.
There is no authority for the proposition that a person who fails to
obtain
legal entry at his destination may freely re-enter the United States;
to the
contrary, he or she may be searched just like any other person
crossing the
border.

Nor will we carve out an "official restraint" exception to the border
search
doctrine, as Romm advocates. We assume for the sake of argument that a
person who, like Romm, is detained abroad has no opportunity to obtain
foreign contraband. Even so, the border search doctrine is not
limited to
those cases where the searching officers have reason to suspect the
entrant
may be carrying foreign contraband. Instead, 'searches made at the
border...are reasonable simply by virtue of the fact that they occur
at the
border.' Thus, the routine border search of Romm's laptop was
reasonable,
regardless whether Romm obtained foreign contraband in Canada or was
under
"official restraint."

In sum, we hold first that the ICE's forensic analysis of Romm's
laptop was
permissible without probable cause or a warrant under the border search
doctrine."





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From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Jul 26 15:09:07 2006
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:09:07 -0400
Subject: [Clips] Marshals: Innocent People Placed On 'Watch List' To
  Meet  	Quota
Message-ID: <p062309dec0ed9876afa2@[68.167.57.91]>

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  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:59:25 -0400
  To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] Marshals: Innocent People Placed On 'Watch List' To Meet
  	Quota
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com

  <http://www.thedenverchannel.com/print/9559707/detail.html>

  TheDenverChannel.com

  Related To Story

  Marshals: Innocent People Placed On 'Watch List' To Meet Quota

  Marshals Say They Must File One Surveillance Detection Report, Or SDR, Per
  Month

  POSTED: 9:49 pm MDT July 21, 2006

  UPDATED: 10:56 pm MDT July 21, 2006

  DENVER -- You could be on a secret government database or watch list for
  simply taking a picture on an airplane. Some federal air marshals say
  they're reporting your actions to meet a quota, even though some top
  officials deny it.

  The air marshals, whose identities are being concealed, told 7NEWS that
  they're required to submit at least one report a month. If they don't,
  there's no raise, no bonus, no awards and no special assignments.

  "Innocent passengers are being entered into an international intelligence
  database as suspicious persons, acting in a suspicious manner on an
  aircraft ... and they did nothing wrong," said one federal air marshal.

  These unknowing passengers who are doing nothing wrong are landing in a
  secret government document called a Surveillance Detection Report, or SDR.
  Air marshals told 7NEWS that managers in Las Vegas created and continue to
  maintain this potentially dangerous quota system.

  "Do these reports have real life impacts on the people who are identified
  as potential terrorists?" 7NEWS Investigator Tony Kovaleski asked.

  "Absolutely," a federal air marshal replied.

  7NEWS obtained an internal Homeland Security document defining an SDR as a
  report designed to identify terrorist surveillance activity.

  "When you see a decision like this, for these reports, who loses here?"
  Kovaleski asked.

  "The people we're supposed to protect -- the American public," an air
  marshal said.

  What kind of impact would it have for a flying individual to be named in an
  SDR?

  "That could have serious impact ... They could be placed on a watch list.
  They could wind up on databases that identify them as potential terrorists
  or a threat to an aircraft. It could be very serious," said Don Strange, a
  former agent in charge of air marshals in Atlanta. He lost his job
  attempting to change policies inside the agency.

  That's why several air marshals object to a July 2004 memo from top
  management in the Las Vegas office, a memo that reminded air marshals of
  the SDR requirement.

  The body of the memo said, "Each federal air marshal is now expected to
  generate at least one SDR per month."

  "Does that memo read to you that Federal Air Marshal headquarters has set a
  quota on these reports?" Kovaleski asked.

  "Absolutely, no doubt," an air marshal replied.

  A second management memo, also dated July 2004, said, "There may come an
  occasion when you just don't see anything out of the ordinary for a month
  at a time, but I'm sure that if you are looking for it, you'll see
  something."

  Another federal air marshal said that not only is there a quota in Las
  Vegas for SDRs, but that "it directly reflects on (their) performance
  evaluations" and on how much money they make.

  The director of the Air Marshal Service, Dana Brown, declined 7NEWS'
  request for an interview on the quota system. But the agency points to a
  memo from August 2004 that said there is not a quota for submitting SDRs
  and which goes on to say, "I do not expect reports that are inaccurate or
  frivolous."

  But, Las Vegas-based air marshals say the quota system remains in force,
  now more than two years after managers sent the original memos, and that
  it's a mandate from management that impacts annual raises, bonuses, awards
  and special assignments.

  "To meet this quota, to get their raises, do you think federal air marshals
  in Las Vegas are making some of this stuff up?" Kovaleski asked.

  "I know they are. It's a joke," an air marshal replied.

  "Have marshals in the Las Vegas office, I don't want to say fabricated, but
  'created' reports?" Kovaleski asked.

  "Creative writing -- stretching a long ways the truth, yes," an air marshal
  replied.

  One example, according to air marshals, occurred on one flight leaving Las
  Vegas, when an unknowing passenger, most likely a tourist, was identified
  in an SDR for doing nothing more than taking a photo of the Las Vegas
  skyline as his plane rolled down the runway.

  "You're saying that was not an accurate portrayal of a potential terrorist
  activity?" Kovaleski asked.

  "No, it was not," an air marshal said.

  "It was a marshal trying to meet a quota ..." Kovaleski said.

  "Yes, he was," the air marshal replied.

  Strange said he didn't have a quota in the Atlanta office when he was in
  charge.

  "I would never have done that ... You are going to have people reporting
  every suspicious looking activity they come across, whether they in their
  heart feel like it's a threat, just to meet the quota," Strange said.

  Strange and other air marshals said the quota allows the government to fill
  a database with bad information.

  A Las Vegas air marshal said he didn't write an SDR every month for exactly
  that reason.

  "Well, it's intelligence information, and like any system, if you put
  garbage in, you get garbage out," the air marshal said.

  "I would like to see an investigation -- a real investigation conducted
  into the ways things are done here," the air marshal in Las Vegas said.

  Although the agency strongly denies any presence of a quota system, Las
  Vegas-based air marshals have produced documents that show their
  performance review is directly linked to producing SDRs.


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From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Jul 26 15:09:11 2006
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:09:11 -0400
Subject: [Clips] [IP] terrorism = traffic tickets? ABC News on air 
  marshalls'  pressure to meet "quotas" for identifying terror suspects
Message-ID: <p062309ddc0ed9875af95@[68.167.57.91]>

--- begin forwarded text


  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:00:47 -0400
  To: "Philodox Clips List" <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] [IP] terrorism = traffic tickets? ABC News on air marshalls'
  pressure to meet "quotas" for identifying terror suspects
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com


  --- begin forwarded text


   Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
   From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
   Subject: [IP] terrorism = traffic tickets? ABC News on air marshalls'
   pressure to meet "quotas" for identifying terror suspects
   Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:07:38 -0400
   To: ip at v2.listbox.com
   Reply-To: dave at farber.net



   Begin forwarded message:

   From: Ethan Ackerman <eackerma at u.washington.edu>
   Date: July 26, 2006 10:01:19 AM EDT
   To: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
   Subject: terrorism = traffic tickets? ABC News on air marshalls'
   pressure to meet "quotas" for identifying terror suspects

   Greetings Dave,

   ABC News 7 in Denver has series of stories & interviews that are also
   online at

   http://www.thedenverchannel.com/7newsinvestigates/index.html

   The series investigates several aspects of apparent Air Marshals
   management-employee disputes, but most disturbing is the disclosure of
   an alleged "quota" requirement within the service for filing
   "Surveillance Detection Reports" identifying suspicious passengers.
   The "quota" system was apparently disclosed by disgruntled former
   Marshals, who point to directives requiring "Each federal air marshal
   is now expected to generate at least one SDR per month" and that
   citizens identified in these reports are placed on various watch
   lists.   Apparently filing a certain minimum number of reports was
   necessary for performance review and compensation purposes.  The
   managers contacted did not deny the memos but did say that no quota
   existed.  The investigations have apparently gotten some Congressional
   attention.


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From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Jul 26 15:09:15 2006
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:09:15 -0400
Subject: [Clips] [IP] DO READ --- Quota system for Air Marshal 
  Surveillance   Detection Reports?
Message-ID: <p062309dcc0ed9875af87@[68.167.57.91]>

--- begin forwarded text


  Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
  Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:02:29 -0400
  To: "Philodox Clips List" <clips at philodox.com>
  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
  Subject: [Clips] [IP] DO READ --- Quota system for Air Marshal Surveillance
  Detection Reports?
  Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com


  --- begin forwarded text


   Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
   From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
   Subject: [IP] DO READ  --- Quota system for Air Marshal Surveillance
   Detection Reports?
   Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:08:28 -0400
   To: ip at v2.listbox.com
   Reply-To: dave at farber.net



   Begin forwarded message:

   From: "Brock N. Meeks" <bmeeks at cox.net>
   Date: July 26, 2006 9:45:28 AM EDT
   To: dave at farber.net
   Subject: Re: [IP] Quota system for Air Marshal Surveillance Detection
   Reports?

    Well, it so happens that I was the one that BROKE this story... way
  back in   2004.  There were at least two offices, Miami and Las Vegas
  that had   this   quota system for writing up and filing "SDRs."

   The requirement was totally renegade and NOT endorsed by Air Marshal
  officials in Washington.  The Las Vegas Air Marshal field office was (I
   think he's retired now) by a real cowboy at the time, someone that
  caused a   lot of problems for the Washington HQ staff.  (That official
  once   grilled an   Air Marshal for three hours in an interrogation
  room because he   thought the   air marshal was source of mine on
  another story.  The air marshal was   then   taken off flight status
  and made to wash the office cars for two   weeks... I   broke that
  story, too.  And no, the punished air marshal was never a   source   of
  mine.)

   Air marshals told they were filing false reports, as they did below,
  just to   hit the quota.

   When my story hit, those in the offices of Las Vegas and Miami were
  reprimanded and the practice was ordered stopped by Washington HQ.

   I suppose the biggest question I have for this story is the HYPE of
  what   happens to these reports.  They do NOT place the person mention
  on a   "watch   list."  These reports, filed on Palm Pilot PDAs, go
  into an internal Air   Marshal database that is rarely seen and pretty
  much ignored by other   intelligence agencies, from all sources I
  talked to.

   Why?  Because the air marshals are seen as little more than "sky
  cops" and   these SDRs considered little more than "field interviews"
  that cops   sometimes file when they question someone loitering at a
  7-11 too   late at   night.

   The quota system, if it is still going on, is heinous, but it hardly
  results   in the big spooky data collection scare that this cheapjack
  Denver   "investigative" TV reporter makes it out to be.

   The quoted former field official from Atlanta, Don Strange, did, in
  fact,   lose his job over trying to chance internal policies.  He was
  the most   well-liked official among the rank and file and the Atlanta
  office,   under   his command, had the highest morale in the nation.


   On 7/26/06 7:25 AM, "David Farber" <dave at farber.net> wrote:

   >
   >
   > Begin forwarded message:
   >
   > From: Bob Drzyzgula <bob at drzyzgula.org>
   > Date: July 25, 2006 10:25:37 PM EDT
   > To: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
   > Cc: ip at v2.listbox.com
   > Subject: Quota system for Air Marshal Surveillance Detection Reports?
   >
   >
   > http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/9559707/detail.html
   >
   > | DENVER -- You could be on a secret government database or
   > | watch list for simply taking a picture on an airplane. Some
   > | federal air marshals say they're reporting your actions
   > | to meet a quota, even though some top officials deny it.
   > |
   > | The air marshals, whose identities are being concealed,
   > | told 7NEWS that they're required to submit at least one
   > | report a month. If they don't, there's no raise, no bonus,
   > | no awards and no special assignments.
   > |
   > | "Innocent passengers are being entered into an
   > | international intelligence database as suspicious persons,
   > | acting in a suspicious manner on an aircraft ... and they
   > | did nothing wrong," said one federal air marshal.
   > |
   > | These unknowing passengers who are doing nothing wrong
   > | are landing in a secret government document called a
   > | Surveillance Detection Report, or SDR. Air marshals told
   > | 7NEWS that managers in Las Vegas created and continue to
   > | maintain this potentially dangerous quota system.
   > |
   > | [...]
   > |
   > | That's why several air marshals object to a July 2004 memo
   > | from top management in the Las Vegas office, a memo that
   > | reminded air marshals of the SDR requirement.
   > |
   > | The body of the memo said, "Each federal air marshal is
   > | now expected to generate at least one SDR per month."
   > |
   > | "Does that memo read to you that Federal Air Marshal
   > | headquarters has set a quota on these reports?" Kovaleski
   > | asked.
   > |
   > | "Absolutely, no doubt," an air marshal replied.
   > |
   > | A second management memo, also dated July 2004, said,
   > | "There may come an occasion when you just don't see
   > | anything out of the ordinary for a month at a time, but I'm
   > | sure that if you are looking for it, you'll see something."
   > |
   > | [...]
   >
   >
   > -------------------------------------
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  44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
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44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
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[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 27 10:28:01 2006
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:28:01 -0400
Subject: [Clips] [IP] DO READ --- Quota system for Air Marshal
  Surveillance  Detection Reports?
In-Reply-To: <p062309dcc0ed9875af87@[68.167.57.91]>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F14562139E3BA85DCC7ABD29B580@phx.gbl>

This was predictable...

Eventually, someone would start to ask exactly what we're getting by 
spending all those billions on the fight against TERROR! and so yuou know 
there'd be a huge demand for 'incidents'.
-TD


>From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [Clips] [IP] DO READ --- Quota system for Air Marshal   
>Surveillance   Detection Reports?
>Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:09:15 -0400
>
>--- begin forwarded text
>
>
>   Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
>   Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
>   Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:02:29 -0400
>   To: "Philodox Clips List" <clips at philodox.com>
>   From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>   Subject: [Clips] [IP] DO READ --- Quota system for Air Marshal 
>Surveillance
>   Detection Reports?
>   Reply-To: clips-chat at philodox.com
>   Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com
>
>
>   --- begin forwarded text
>
>
>    Delivered-To: rah at shipwright.com
>    From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
>    Subject: [IP] DO READ  --- Quota system for Air Marshal Surveillance
>    Detection Reports?
>    Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:08:28 -0400
>    To: ip at v2.listbox.com
>    Reply-To: dave at farber.net
>
>
>
>    Begin forwarded message:
>
>    From: "Brock N. Meeks" <bmeeks at cox.net>
>    Date: July 26, 2006 9:45:28 AM EDT
>    To: dave at farber.net
>    Subject: Re: [IP] Quota system for Air Marshal Surveillance Detection
>    Reports?
>
>     Well, it so happens that I was the one that BROKE this story... way
>   back in   2004.  There were at least two offices, Miami and Las Vegas
>   that had   this   quota system for writing up and filing "SDRs."
>
>    The requirement was totally renegade and NOT endorsed by Air Marshal
>   officials in Washington.  The Las Vegas Air Marshal field office was (I
>    think he's retired now) by a real cowboy at the time, someone that
>   caused a   lot of problems for the Washington HQ staff.  (That official
>   once   grilled an   Air Marshal for three hours in an interrogation
>   room because he   thought the   air marshal was source of mine on
>   another story.  The air marshal was   then   taken off flight status
>   and made to wash the office cars for two   weeks... I   broke that
>   story, too.  And no, the punished air marshal was never a   source   of
>   mine.)
>
>    Air marshals told they were filing false reports, as they did below,
>   just to   hit the quota.
>
>    When my story hit, those in the offices of Las Vegas and Miami were
>   reprimanded and the practice was ordered stopped by Washington HQ.
>
>    I suppose the biggest question I have for this story is the HYPE of
>   what   happens to these reports.  They do NOT place the person mention
>   on a   "watch   list."  These reports, filed on Palm Pilot PDAs, go
>   into an internal Air   Marshal database that is rarely seen and pretty
>   much ignored by other   intelligence agencies, from all sources I
>   talked to.
>
>    Why?  Because the air marshals are seen as little more than "sky
>   cops" and   these SDRs considered little more than "field interviews"
>   that cops   sometimes file when they question someone loitering at a
>   7-11 too   late at   night.
>
>    The quota system, if it is still going on, is heinous, but it hardly
>   results   in the big spooky data collection scare that this cheapjack
>   Denver   "investigative" TV reporter makes it out to be.
>
>    The quoted former field official from Atlanta, Don Strange, did, in
>   fact,   lose his job over trying to chance internal policies.  He was
>   the most   well-liked official among the rank and file and the Atlanta
>   office,   under   his command, had the highest morale in the nation.
>
>
>    On 7/26/06 7:25 AM, "David Farber" <dave at farber.net> wrote:
>
>    >
>    >
>    > Begin forwarded message:
>    >
>    > From: Bob Drzyzgula <bob at drzyzgula.org>
>    > Date: July 25, 2006 10:25:37 PM EDT
>    > To: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
>    > Cc: ip at v2.listbox.com
>    > Subject: Quota system for Air Marshal Surveillance Detection Reports?
>    >
>    >
>    > http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/9559707/detail.html
>    >
>    > | DENVER -- You could be on a secret government database or
>    > | watch list for simply taking a picture on an airplane. Some
>    > | federal air marshals say they're reporting your actions
>    > | to meet a quota, even though some top officials deny it.
>    > |
>    > | The air marshals, whose identities are being concealed,
>    > | told 7NEWS that they're required to submit at least one
>    > | report a month. If they don't, there's no raise, no bonus,
>    > | no awards and no special assignments.
>    > |
>    > | "Innocent passengers are being entered into an
>    > | international intelligence database as suspicious persons,
>    > | acting in a suspicious manner on an aircraft ... and they
>    > | did nothing wrong," said one federal air marshal.
>    > |
>    > | These unknowing passengers who are doing nothing wrong
>    > | are landing in a secret government document called a
>    > | Surveillance Detection Report, or SDR. Air marshals told
>    > | 7NEWS that managers in Las Vegas created and continue to
>    > | maintain this potentially dangerous quota system.
>    > |
>    > | [...]
>    > |
>    > | That's why several air marshals object to a July 2004 memo
>    > | from top management in the Las Vegas office, a memo that
>    > | reminded air marshals of the SDR requirement.
>    > |
>    > | The body of the memo said, "Each federal air marshal is
>    > | now expected to generate at least one SDR per month."
>    > |
>    > | "Does that memo read to you that Federal Air Marshal
>    > | headquarters has set a quota on these reports?" Kovaleski
>    > | asked.
>    > |
>    > | "Absolutely, no doubt," an air marshal replied.
>    > |
>    > | A second management memo, also dated July 2004, said,
>    > | "There may come an occasion when you just don't see
>    > | anything out of the ordinary for a month at a time, but I'm
>    > | sure that if you are looking for it, you'll see something."
>    > |
>    > | [...]
>    >
>    >
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>
>   --- end forwarded text
>
>
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>   The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
>   44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
>   "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
>   [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
>   experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
>   _______________________________________________
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>   Clips at philodox.com
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>--- end forwarded text
>
>
>--
>-----------------
>R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
>The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
>44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
>"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
>[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
>experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




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From dave at farber.net  Thu Jul 27 11:29:36 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:29:36 -0400
Subject: [IP] Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd
Message-ID: <mailman.1835.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jul 27 12:38:59 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:38:59 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] Police Blotter: Laptop border searches
  OK'd]
Message-ID: <20060727193859.GZ14701@leitl.org>

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From patrick at ianai.net  Fri Jul 28 02:11:45 2006
From: patrick at ianai.net (Patrick W. Gilmore)
Date: July 28, 2006 2:11:45 PM EDT
Subject: Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
Message-ID: <mailman.1836.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

On Jul 28, 2006, at 1:32 PM, David Farber wrote:

> I don't believe it is a crime in any US Federal or State law, or in
> Canadian law, to set passwords and use encryption.  In the US, I
> believe that a warrant would be necessary for law enforcement to
> ask for your password, but I don't know if you have to comply.
IANAL.

That is a good question - Can you be compelled to give up a
password?  Would you mind posting it to IP, I am interested in the
answer.

Seems there might be some 'self-incriminatory' arguments here.
Perhaps even an "unreasonable search" argument.  But IANAL.

--
TTFN,
patrick


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From lauren at vortex.com  Fri Jul 28 02:40:02 2006
From: lauren at vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein)
Date: July 28, 2006 2:40:02 PM EDT
Subject: [IP] Can you be compelled to give a password? [was:
Message-ID: <mailman.1837.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]


Dave, the trend is toward laws that penalize refusal to cooperate
with demands for decryption keys.  This concept can work in various
ways.  In the border case, for example, a person might be refused
entry -- or perhaps suffer confiscation of related property in some
cases -- if they declined to provide the keys.

In the case of criminal convictions, additional sentence and fine
penalties can be imposed for uncooperative attitudes in this regard.

Keep in mind that in the eyes of some in government, only people
with something to hide would bother using encryption in the first
place.  From that assumption flows a sea of potential abuses.

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
lauren at vortex.com or lauren at pfir.org
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
http://www.pfir.org/lauren
Co-Founder, PFIR
   - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org
Co-Founder, IOIC
   - International Open Internet Coalition - http://www.ioic.net
Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com
Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com
DayThink: http://daythink.vortex.com

  - - -

>
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
>Date: July 28, 2006 2:11:45 PM EDT
>To: dave at farber.net
>Cc: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
>Subject: Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
>Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
>
>On Jul 28, 2006, at 1:32 PM, David Farber wrote:
>
>>I don't believe it is a crime in any US Federal or State law, or in
>>Canadian law, to set passwords and use encryption.  In the US, I
>>believe that a warrant would be necessary for law enforcement to
>>ask for your password, but I don't know if you have to comply.
>>IANAL.
>
>That is a good question - Can you be compelled to give up a
>password?  Would you mind posting it to IP, I am interested in the
>answer.
>
>Seems there might be some 'self-incriminatory' arguments here.
>Perhaps even an "unreasonable search" argument.  But IANAL.
>
>--
>TTFN,
>patrick
>
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From j.care at securitypractice.com  Fri Jul 28 03:02:01 2006
From: j.care at securitypractice.com (Jonathan H. Care)
Date: July 28, 2006 3:02:01 PM EDT
Subject: [IP] Can you be compelled to give a password? [was:
Message-ID: <mailman.1838.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]


>
>From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
>Date: July 28, 2006 2:11:45 PM EDT
>To: dave at farber.net
>Cc: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
>Subject: Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
>Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
>
>

In the UK, it is a crime under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers
Act 2000 not to disclose a password, encryption key, session key, or
plaintext when required to do so by law enforcement. This applies both
to end parties in the communication, and intermediates (such as
telecommunication companies).

Note that some people have been known to perform a risk assessment, and
have elected the milder penalty associated with refusal to disclose,
rather than face the harsher penalties that come with conviction of the
crime that led to them being the target of investigation.

I have a feeling the the Police and Justice bill 2006 has some further
measures planned in this direction, but can't cite references at the
moment.

>
>Seems there might be some 'self-incriminatory' arguments here.
>Perhaps even an "unreasonable search" argument.  But IANAL.
>

Kind Regards,
Jonathan Care
Director, The Security Practice Ltd.
Tel: +44 (0)845 123 5413
Email: j.care at securitypractice.com
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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Jul 28 01:05:44 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:05:44 +0200
Subject: /. [Army to Require Trusted Platform Module in PCs]
Message-ID: <20060728080544.GO14701@leitl.org>

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/28/0338243
Posted by: CowboyNeal, on 2006-07-28 05:45:00

   Overtone writes "Federal Computer Week is reporting that the US Army
   will [1]require hardware-based security via the [2]Trusted Platform
   Module standard in all new PCs. They are a large-enough volume buyer
   that this might kickstart an adoption loop."

References

   1. http://www.fcw.com/article95422-07-26-06-Web
   2. https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/faq/TPMFAQ/

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From rjw at mcn.org  Fri Jul 28 12:43:18 2006
From: rjw at mcn.org (Roger Weeks)
Date: July 28, 2006 12:43:18 PM EDT
Subject: [IP] more on Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd
Message-ID: <mailman.1839.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Dave -

For IP on the laptop border searches:

I'm suprised that no one else has mentioned this so far, but this
type of situation is one of the many excellent reasons to use an
encrypted filesystem on your laptop hard disk, and to set up other
types of security.

For example, my PowerBook G4 is set up to use the built-in feature of
OS X called FileVault, which encrypts the user's home directory.  The
home directory on OS X contains the browser cache for Safari,
Firefox, and Camino, and I have to assume, any other browser cache
for Opera and other browsers.

I have also set an Open Firmware boot password.  See
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/openfirmwarepassword.html
for details.  When I travel I never put my laptop to sleep, but
rather I shut it all the way down.  This is marginally less
convenient, but it means that if my laptop is stolen or confiscated,
the Open Firmware password will be the first thing that the attacker
sees.  Supposing that is broken, they will then have to deal with
logging into my laptop.

My root account is disabled, like all OS X installs.  I have my login
preferences set to not show the usernames on the computer, so the
attacker will have to guess both a login name and password.

If the attacker were to take the hard disk out of my laptop and make
an image of it with forensic software, they would find an encrypted
partition.  I'm sure the NSA probably has the horsepower to throw at
cracking AES-128 encryption, but chances are my laptop will never get
to them if we're talking about local law enforcement.

For those in the Windows or Linux world, you can set a BIOS password
on your laptop which is very similar to the Open Firmware boot
password for Apple Hardware.

Windows XP and Windows 2003 both include support for encrypting
filesystems using DESX or 3DES, via the Encrypted File System.  PGP
Corp sells a product called "PGP Whole Disk Encryption" for Windows
2000 & XP that uses AES-256 encryption.

Linux users can make a loopback encrypted filesystem for storing
anything they wish to be encrypted.  See http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/
Cryptoloop-HOWTO/ for details.

I don't believe it is a crime in any US Federal or State law, or in
Canadian law, to set passwords and use encryption.  In the US, I
believe that a warrant would be necessary for law enforcement to ask
for your password, but I don't know if you have to comply.  IANAL.

--
Roger J. Weeks
Systems & Network Administrator
Mendocino Community Network
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From dave at farber.net  Fri Jul 28 10:32:54 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:32:54 -0400
Subject: [IP] more on Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd
Message-ID: <mailman.1840.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From dave at farber.net  Fri Jul 28 11:48:26 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:48:26 -0400
Subject: [IP] more on  Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
 Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
Message-ID: <mailman.1841.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From dave at farber.net  Fri Jul 28 12:07:35 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:07:35 -0400
Subject: [IP] more on  Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
 Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
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From s.schear at comcast.net  Fri Jul 28 15:13:17 2006
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:13:17 -0700
Subject: Cell Phone Picture Called Obstruction Of Justice
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20060728150856.042c1340@mail.comcast.net>

http://www.nbc10.com/news/9574663/detail.html 




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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Jul 28 10:37:34 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:37:34 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on Police Blotter: Laptop border
  searches OK'd]
Message-ID: <20060728173734.GC14701@leitl.org>

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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Fri Jul 28 21:17:50 2006
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:17:50 -0700
Subject: Cell Phone Picture Called Obstruction Of Justice
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20060728150856.042c1340@mail.comcast.net>
References: <6.0.1.1.0.20060728150856.042c1340@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060728205849.0370f3f8@pop.idiom.com>

At 03:13 PM 7/28/2006, Steve Schear wrote to Cypherpunks:

>http://www.nbc10.com/news/9574663/detail.html

It's an article about a kid in Philly who used his cell phone
to photograph a bunch of police, and was hauled off to jail
and threatened with being charged with
obstruction of justice and a number of other things,
including breaking "a new law that prohibits people
from taking pictures of police with cell phones."
After about an hour, his parents got him out,
with police saying that he was lucky because there was
no supervisor on duty.   The ACLU says there's no such new law.

No big surprise.  Cops routinely lie,
and they often beat up photographers and smash cameras.

The time I was arrested for photographing police,
who were harassing a friend of mine and stealing his car radio,
it was before the Rodney King case,
and I was using a camera with real chemical film in it.
Somehow the film got exposed to light and the camera got
broken a bit before they gave it back.
Unfortunately, there was a supervisor on duty
(he'd been at the scene of the alleged crime),
so I did get charged with something,
which got dropped after I paid for a lawyer and
the case came up for trial.
Supervisors lie just as much as regular police -
don't believe anything they tell you about court procedures :-)
My friend's case did get to trial - the police did lots of lying
on the witness stand, but unfortunately his car registration
really _had_ expired, and since that charge stuck
they also got to bust him for a burned-out taillight.

And these cops were just local boys and girls -
John Young gets to have Feds lie to him...

                 Bill Stewart




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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Jul 28 14:04:39 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:04:39 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on  Can you be compelled to give a
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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:05:22 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on  Can you be compelled to give a
  password? [was: Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]]
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From rah at shipwright.com  Sat Jul 29 06:30:14 2006
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:30:14 -0400
Subject: [Clips] [fc-announce] Financial Cryptography 2007 Call for
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   Delivered-To: rah at ibuc.com
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   To: fc-announce at ifca.ai
   Subject: [fc-announce] Financial Cryptography 2007 Call for Papers
   Sender: fc-announce-admin at ifca.ai
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   <x-flowed>Dear Colleague,

      please find below the first Call for Papers for FC'07.

   Best regards,

   Sven Dietrich
   --
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   First Call for Papers

   FC'07: Financial Cryptography and Data Security
   http://fc07.ifca.ai/

   Eleventh International Conference
   February 12-15, 2007
   Lowlands, Scarborough, Trinidad and Tobago

   Submissions Due Date: October 9, 2006, 11:59pm, EDT (UTC-4)

   Program Chair: 	Sven Dietrich (Carnegie Mellon University)
   General Chair:  Rafael Hirschfeld (Unipay)

   At its 11th year edition, Financial Cryptography and Data Security (FC'07)
   is a well established and major international forum for research, advanced
   development, education, exploration, and debate regarding security in the
   context of finance and commerce. We will continue last year's augmentation
   of the conference title and expansion of our scope to cover all aspects of
   securing transactions and systems. These aspects include a range of
   technical areas such as: cryptography, payment systems, secure transaction
   architectures, software systems and tools, fraud prevention, secure IT
   infrastructure, and analysis methodologies. Our focus will also encompass
   financial, legal, business, and policy aspects. Material both on theoretical
   (fundamental) aspects of securing systems,and on secure applications and
   real-world deployments will be considered.

   The conference goal is to bring together top cryptographers, data-security
   specialists, and computer scientists with economists, bankers, implementers,
   and policy makers. Intimate and colorful by tradition, the FC'07 program
   will feature invited talks, academic presentations, technical
   demonstrations, and panel discussions.

   This conference is organized annually by the International Financial
   Cryptography Association (IFCA).

   Original papers, surveys, and presentations on all aspects of financial and
   commerce security are invited. Submissions must have a strong and visible
   bearing on financial and commerce security issues, but can be
   interdisciplinary in nature and need not be exclusively concerned with
   cryptography or security. Possible topics for submission to the various
   sessions include, but are not limited to:

   Anonymity and Privacy
   Auctions
   Audit and Auditability
   Authentication and Identification, including Biometrics
   Certification and Authorization
   Commercial Cryptographic Applications
   Commercial Transactions and Contracts
   Digital Cash and Payment Systems
   Digital Incentive and Loyalty Systems
   Digital Rights Management
   Financial Regulation and Reporting
   Fraud Detection
   Game Theoretic Approaches to Security
   Identity Theft, Physhing and Social Engineering
   Infrastructure Design
   Legal and Regulatory Issues
   Microfinance and Micropayments
   Monitoring, Management and Operations
   Reputation Systems
   RFID-Based and Contactless Payment Systems
   Risk Assessment and Management
   Secure Banking and Financial Web Services
   Securing Emerging Computational Paradigms
   Security and Risk Perceptions and Judgments
   Security Economics
   Smart Cards and Secure Tokens
   Trust Management
   Trustability and Trustworthiness
   Underground-Market Economics
   Virtual Economies
   Voting system security

   For those interested, last year's proceedings are available from Springer.

   Submission Instructions

   Submission Categories

   FC'07 is inviting submissions in four categories: (1) research papers, (2)
   systems and applications presentations, (3) panel sessions, (4) surveys. For
   all accepted submissions, at least one author must attend the conference and
   present the work.

   Research Papers

   Research papers should describe novel scientific contributions to the field,
   and they will be subject to rigorous peer review. Accepted submissions will
   be included in the conference proceedings to be published in the
   Springer-Verlag Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) series after the
   conference, so the submissions must be formatted in the standard LNCS format
   (15 page limit).

   Systems and Application Presentations

   Submissions in this category should describe novel or successful systems
   with an emphasis on secure digital commerce applications. Presentations may
   concern commercial systems, academic prototypes, or open-source projects for
   any of the topics listed above. Where appropriate, software or hardware
   demonstrations are encouraged as part of the presentations in these
   sessions. Submissions in this category should consist of a short summary of
   the work (1-6 pages in length) to be reviewed by the Program Committee,
   along with a short biography of the presenters. Accepted submissions will be
   presented at the conference (25 minutes per presentation), and a one-page
   abstract will be published in the conference proceedings.

   Panel Sessions

   Proposals for panel sessions are also solicited, and should include a brief
   description of the panel as well as prospective participants. Accepted panel
   sessions will be presented at the conference, and each participant will
   contribute a one-page abstract to be published in the conference
   proceedings.

   Surveys

   A limited number of surveys presentations may also be included in the
   program. We encourage submissions that summarize the current state of the
   art on any well-defined subset of the above listed submission topics. A
   limited description of visions on future directions of research in these
   topics would also be appreciated. Survey submissions can be significantly
   shorter than research paper submissions.

   Preparation Instructions

   Submissions to the research papers, systems/application presentation
   categories, and surveys must be received by the due date. Papers must be
   formatted in standard PostScript or PDF format. Submissions in other formats
   will be rejected. All papers must be submitted electronically according to
   the instructions and forms found on this web site and at the submission
   site.

   Authors should provide names and affiliations at submission time, and have
   the option of including or not names and affiliations in their submitted
   papers, that must include on their first page the title of the paper, a
   brief abstract, and a list of topical keywords. Accepted submissions will be
   included in the conference proceedings to be published in the
   Springer-Verlag Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) series after the
   conference, so the submissions must be formatted in the standard LNCS format
   (15 page limit). Authors of accepted submissions will be required to
   complete and sign an IFCA copyright form. A pre-proceedings volume
   containing preliminary versions of the papers will be distributed at the
   conference.

   Questions about all conference submissions should be directed to the Program
   Chair at fc07chair at cert.org

   Paper Submission

   Authors should only submit work that does not substantially overlap with
   work that is currently submitted or has been accepted for publication to a
   conference with proceedings or a journal.

   Paper submission will occur via website to be announced at a later time.

   The Rump Session

   FC'07 will also include the popular "rump session" held on one of the
   evenings in an informal, social atmosphere. The rump session is a program of
   short (5-7 minute), informal presentations on works in progress,
   off-the-cuff ideas, and any other matters pertinent to the conference. Any
   conference attendee is welcome to submit a presentation to the Rump Session
   Chair (to be announced). This submission should consist of a talk title, the
   name of the presenter, and, if desired, a very brief abstract. Submissions
   may be sent via e-mail, or submitted in person through the Monday of the
   conference.

   Associated Workshop

   There will be a Usability Workshop held in conjunction with FC 2007. Details
   will be published at a later time.

   Program Committee

   Alessandro Acquisti, Carnegie Mellon University
   Jon Callas, PGP Corporation
   Yvo Desmedt, University College London
   Giovanni di Crescenzo, Telcordia Technologies
   Roger Dingledine, The Freehaven Project
   Bernhard Esslinger, Deutsche Bank
   Philippe Golle, PARC
   Klaus Kursawe, Philips Research Eindhoven
   Arjen Lenstra, EPFL
   Patrick McDaniel, Penn State University
   Tatsuaki Okamoto, NTT
   Kazue Sako, NEC
   Radu Sion, SUNY Stony Brook
   Stuart Stubblebine, Stubblebine Consulting
   Paul Syverson, NRL
   Mike Szydlo, RSA
   Jonathan Trostle, ASK Consulting and Research
   Moti Yung, RSA & Columbia University
   Yuliang Zheng, University of North Carolina at Charlotte

   Important Dates:

   Paper Submission: 	  	October 9, 2006
   Notification: 	  	        December 11, 2006
   Pre-Proceedings: 	  	January 11, 2007
   Conference dates: 	  	February 12-15, 2007
   Post Proceedings: 	  	April 10, 2007

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From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Jul 29 02:32:57 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:32:57 +0200
Subject: /. [Has Orwell's '1984' Come 22 Years Later?]
Message-ID: <20060729093257.GX14701@leitl.org>

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/29/0223253
Posted by: Cliff, on 2006-07-29 03:55:00

   [1]gabec asks: "This weekend my mother bought a grille lighter,
   something like this [2]butane lighter. The self-scanner at Kroger's
   locked itself up and paged a clerk, who had to enter our drivers
   license numbers into her kiosk before we could continue. Last week my
   girlfriend bought four peaches. An alert came up stating that peaches
   were a restricted item and she had to identify herself before being
   able to purchase such a decidedly high quantity of the dangerous
   fruit. [3]My video games spy on me, reporting the applications I run,
   the websites I visit, the accounts of the people I IM. My ISP [4]is
   being strong-armed into a two-year archive of each action I take
   online under the guise of catching pedophiles, [5]the companies I
   trust to free information are my enemies, [6]the people looking out
   for me are being watched. As if that weren't enough, [7]my own
   computer spies on me daily, [8]my bank has been compromised, [9]my
   phone is tapped--has been for [10]years--and [11]my phone company is
   A-OK with it. What's a guy that doesn't even consider himself paranoid
   to think of the current state of affairs?" The sad state of affairs is
   that Big Brother probably became a quiet part of our lives a lot
   earlier. The big question now is: how much worse can it get?

   Am I just accustomed to old ways? Does the new generation, born with
   these restrictions, feel the weight of these bonds and recoil from my
   fears as paranoia? What can I, a person with no political interests--a
   person that would really rather think that the people in office are
   there because they're looking out for us, our rights, and our freedoms
   and not because their short-sightedness is creating a police state--do
   to stem the tide?"

References

   1. mailto:cooperg.myrealbox at com
   2. http://www.broilkingbbq.com/grillpro/products.asp?CID=16
   3. http://www.rootkit.com/blog.php?newsid=358
   4. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/02/1238237&tid=158
   5. http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=17180
   6. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/15/1922209&tid=158
   7. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060608002958907
   8.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/23/AR20060623001
67.html
   9. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5399264
  10. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abIV0cO64zJE&refer=
  11. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/21/1718219&tid=158

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From Agrosso at acm.org  Sun Jul 30 04:58:41 2006
From: Agrosso at acm.org (Andrew Grosso)
Date: July 30, 2006 4:58:41 PM EDT
Subject: [IP] Can you be compelled to give a password? [was:
Message-ID: <mailman.1843.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]

As a former Assistant U.S. Attorney, allow me to comment.

Information may be obtained by the government from a person in one of
four ways:  (1) it is voluntarily provided; (2) by regulation in a
heavily regulated industry; (3) by subpoena; and (4) by a search and
seizure warrant.   We are concerned with number 3, the subpoena.

A person can refuse to produce incriminating information in response
to a subpoena under the Fifth Amendment. Please note that the
password is not protected.   If it is written down somewhere, the
document on which it is written is not protected by the privilege.
The *act* of producing the document or the password itself *may* be
privileged, if such an act is itself incriminating.  For example, if
the password was used in a crime, and the fact that you have the
password in your possession tends to show that you participated or
conspired in the crime, and then the Fifth Amendment privilege is
applicable to protect you from implicating yourself in the crime.
The Government *can* immunize you to the limited extent necessary to
obtain the password - it cannot then use the fact that it got the
password from you in order to prosecute you.  This is known as "Doe"
immunity, and there is an extensive line of cases that has developed
in this area.  Webster Hubbell, the former Associate Attorney General
who was convicted of tax fraud by Ken Starr's IC Office, eventually
had his conviction vacated because Starr's legal team failed to
follow the rules when they obtained, from him (by subpoena), his tax
records.

If the government is not investigating a crime, then it may use an
administrative or civil subpoena to try and get the password.  If the
witness invokes the Fifth Amendment, then the government can immunize
that person and compel production.

The second point, above, concerning a regulated industry, applies to
such areas as Medicare and Medicaid, Government contractors for
procurement matters, industrial health and safety mattes,
environmental concerns, etc.  The same analysis as above would apply.

Border searches are a different animal, since the government has the
right to inspect items crossing the border without a warrant.
However, if the password is in the traveler's head, then that is not
an "item" that can be inspected at the border.  The information on
the laptop might very well be such an item, however, and if the only
way to convince the government to allow you to cross the border is to
show the border guards what is on the laptop, then the traveler might
very well face the choice of turning on the laptop and opening
files,, using the password, or not crossing the border.  I do not
believe that, even here, the traveler would have to produce the
password itself.


Andrew Grosso, Esq.
Andrew Grosso & Associates
1250 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 200
Washington, D.C. 20036
(202) 261-3593
Email: Agrosso at acm.org
Web Site: www.GrossoLaw.com
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From: David Farber
To: ip at v2.listbox.com
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: [IP] Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
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From b.malin at vanderbilt.edu  Sun Jul 30 07:44:21 2006
From: b.malin at vanderbilt.edu (Brad Malin)
Date: July 30, 2006 7:44:21 PM EDT
Subject: Illegal to Photo Cops?
Message-ID: <mailman.1844.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=17667

STUDENT BUSTED FOR TAKING COP PICTURES

Friday, July 28, 2006 - FreeMarketNews.com

A Penn State college senior was arrested after he pointed his camera
cell
phone at police activity in his neighborhood. A Philadelphia NBC News
Channel 10 report says the family of Neftaly Cruz, 21, is claiming
the cops
had "no right to come onto their property and arrest their 21-year-
old son
simply because he was using his cell phone's camera."

<snip>

The charge against Cruz was based on a new law, allegedly prohibiting
people
from taking pictures of police officers with cell phones. Cruz is
quoted as
saying, "They threatened to charge me with conspiracy, impeding an
investigation, obstruction of a investigation..." Larry Frankel of
the local
ACLU chapter, reportedly said, "There is no law that prevents people
from
taking pictures of what anybody can see on the street," adding that,
"it's
rather scary that in this country you could actually be taken down to
police
headquarters for taking a picture on your cell phone of activities
that are
clearly visible on the street." - ST



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From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Jul 30 03:58:04 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:58:04 +0200
Subject: /. [Photograph the Police, Get Arrested]
Message-ID: <20060730105804.GZ14701@leitl.org>

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/30/0557216
Posted by: Zonk, on 2006-07-30 08:16:00

   [1]Servo writes "Last month a man was arrested in New Hampshire after
   presenting evidence of a police officer being verbally abusive that
   [2]he had captured on his home security camera system. Now just
   recently in Philadelphia a 21 year old student was arrested on his
   property after he [3]took a photo of the police who were in the
   process of arresting a drug dealer down the street." From the article:
   "Cruz said that when he heard a commotion, he walked out of his back
   door with his cell phone to see what was happening. He said that when
   he saw the street lined with police cars, he decided to take a picture
   of the scene. 'I opened (the phone) and took a shot,' Cruz said.
   Moments later, Cruz said he got the shock of his life when an officer
   came to his back yard gate."

References

   1. mailto:dstringf at getridofthis.gmail.com
   2. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/29/188221&tid=172
   3. http://www.nbc10.com/news/9574663/detail.html

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From dave at farber.net  Sun Jul 30 15:04:08 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:04:08 -0400
Subject: [IP] more on   Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
 Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
Message-ID: <mailman.1845.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From endy at MIT.EDU  Sun Jul 30 16:33:14 2006
From: endy at MIT.EDU (Drew Endy)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:33:14 -0400
Subject: [Synthetic Biology] Q. Is secret biodefense a bad idea?
Message-ID: <mailman.1846.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

NBC news video and Washington Post front page story about the NBACC  
at Ft. Detrick.

Best,
Drew

______

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2006/07/29/VI2006072900668.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/29/AR2006072900592_pf.html

The Secretive Fight Against Bioterror
The government is building a highly classified facility to research  
biological weapons, but its closed-door approach has raised concerns.

By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, July 30, 2006; A01

On the grounds of a military base an hour's drive from the capital,  
the Bush administration is building a massive biodefense laboratory  
unlike any seen since biological weapons were banned 34 years ago.
The heart of the lab is a cluster of sealed chambers built to contain  
the world's deadliest bacteria and viruses. There, scientists will  
spend their days simulating the unthinkable: bioterrorism attacks in  
the form of lethal anthrax spores rendered as wispy powders that can  
drift for miles on a summer breeze, or common viruses turned into  
deadly superbugs that ordinary drugs and vaccines cannot stop.
The work at this new lab, at Fort Detrick, Md., could someday save  
thousands of lives -- or, some fear, create new risks and place the  
United States in violation of international treaties. In either case,  
much of what transpires at the National Biodefense Analysis and  
Countermeasures Center (NBACC) may never be publicly known, because  
the Bush administration intends to operate the facility largely in  
secret.
In an unusual arrangement, the building itself will be classified as  
highly restricted space, from the reception desk to the lab benches  
to the cages where animals are kept. Few federal facilities,  
including nuclear labs, operate with such stealth. It is this opacity  
that some arms-control experts say has become a defining  
characteristic of U.S. biodefense policy as carried out by the  
Department of Homeland Security, NBACC's creator.
Since the department's founding in the aftermath of the Sept. 11  
attacks, its officials have dramatically expanded the government's  
ability to conduct realistic tests of the pathogens and tactics that  
might be used in a bioterrorism attack. Some of the research falls  
within what many arms-control experts say is a legal gray zone,  
skirting the edges of an international treaty outlawing the  
production of even small amounts of biological weapons.
The administration dismisses these concerns, however, insisting that  
the work of NBACC is purely defensive and thus fully legal. It has  
rejected calls for oversight by independent observers outside the  
department's network of government scientists and contractors. And it  
defends the secrecy as necessary to protect Americans.
"Where the research exposes vulnerability, I've got to protect that,  
for the public's interest," said Bernard Courtney, NBACC's scientific  
director. "We don't need to be showing perpetrators the holes in our  
defense."
Tara O'Toole, founder of the Center for Biosecurity at the University  
of Pittsburgh Medical Center and an adviser to the Defense Department  
on bioterrorism, said the secrecy fits a larger pattern and could  
have consequences. "The philosophy and practice behind NBACC looks  
like much of the rest of the administration's philosophy and  
practice: 'Our intent is good, so we can do whatever we want,' "  
O'Toole said. "This approach will only lead to trouble."
Although they acknowledge the need to shield the results of some  
sensitive projects from public view, critics of NBACC fear that  
excessive secrecy could actually increase the risk of bioterrorism.  
That would happen, they say, if the lab fosters ill-designed  
experiments conducted without proper scrutiny or if its work fuels  
suspicions that could lead other countries to pursue secret  
biological research.
The few public documents that describe NBACC's research mission have  
done little to quiet those fears. A computer slide show prepared by  
the center's directors in 2004 offers a to-do list that suggests the  
lab will be making and testing small amounts of weaponized microbes  
and, perhaps, genetically engineered viruses and bacteria. It also  
calls for "red team" exercises that simulate attacks by hostile groups.
NBACC's close ties to the U.S. intelligence community have also  
caused concern among the agency's critics. The CIA has assigned  
advisers to the lab, including at least one member of the "Z- 
Division," an elite group jointly operated with Lawrence Livermore  
National Laboratory that specializes in analyzing and duplicating  
weapons systems of potential adversaries, officials familiar with the  
program confirm.
Bioweapons experts say the nature of the research envisioned for  
NBACC demands an unusually high degree of transparency to reassure  
Americans and the rest of the world of the U.S. government's intentions.
"If we saw others doing this kind of research, we would view it as an  
infringement of the bioweapons treaty," said Milton Leitenberg, a  
senior research scholar and weapons expert at the University of  
Maryland's School of Public Policy. "You can't go around the world  
yelling about Iranian and North Korean programs -- about which we  
know very little -- when we've got all this going on."
Creating the Weapons of Terrorism
Created without public fanfare a few months after the 2001 anthrax  
attacks, NBACC is intended to be the chief U.S. biological research  
institution engaged in something called "science-based threat  
assessment." It seeks to quantitatively answer one of the most  
difficult questions in biodefense: What's the worst that can happen?
To truly answer that question, there is little choice, current and  
former NBACC officials say: Researchers have to make real biological  
weapons.
"De facto, we are going to make biowarfare pathogens at NBACC in  
order to study them," said Penrose "Parney" Albright, former Homeland  
Security assistant secretary for science and technology.
Other government agencies, such as the Centers for Disease Control  
and Prevention, study disease threats such as smallpox to discover  
cures. By contrast, NBACC (pronounced EN-back) attempts to get inside  
the head of a bioterrorist. It considers the wide array of potential  
weapons available. It looks for the holes in society's defenses where  
an attacker might achieve the maximum harm. It explores the risks  
posed by emerging technologies, such as new DNA synthesizing  
techniques that allow the creation of genetically altered or man-made  
viruses. And it tries in some cases to test the weapon or delivery  
device that terrorists might use.
Research at NBACC is already underway, in lab space that has been  
outsourced or borrowed from the Army's sprawling biodefense campus at  
Fort Detrick in Frederick. It was at this compound that the U.S.  
government researched and produced offensive biological weapons from  
the 1940s until President Richard M. Nixon halted research in 1969.  
The Army continues to conduct research on pathogens there.
In June, construction began on a $128 million, 160,000-square-foot  
facility inside the same heavily guarded compound. Space inside the  
eight-story, glass-and-brick structure will be divided between  
NBACC's two major divisions: a forensic testing center tasked with  
using modern sleuthing techniques to identify the possible culprits  
in future biological attacks; and the Biothreat Characterization  
Center, or BTCC, which seeks to predict what such attacks will look  
like.
It is the BTCC's wing that will host the airtight, ultra-secure  
containment labs where the most controversial research will be done.  
Homeland Security officials won't talk about specific projects  
planned or underway. But the 2004 computer slide show -- posted  
briefly on a Homeland Security Web site before its discovery by  
agency critics prompted an abrupt removal -- offers insight into  
NBACC's priorities.
The presentation by NBACC's then-deputy director, Lt. Col. George  
Korch, listed 16 research priorities for the new lab. Among them:
"Characterize classical, emerging and genetically engineered  
pathogens for their BTA [biological threat agent] potential.
"Assess the nature of nontraditional, novel and nonendemic induction  
of disease from potential BTA.
"Expand aerosol-challenge testing capacity for non-human primates.
"Apply Red Team operational scenarios and capabilities."
Courtney, the NBACC science director, acknowledged that his work  
would include simulating real biological threats -- but not just any  
threats.
"If I hear a noise on the back porch, will I turn on the light to  
decide whether there's something there, or go on my merry way?"  
Courtney asked. "But I'm only going to do [research] if I have  
credible information that shows it truly is a threat. It's not going  
to be dreamed up out of the mind of a novelist."
Administration officials note that there is a tradition for this kind  
of biological risk assessment, one that extends at least to the  
Clinton administration. In the late 1990s, for example, a clandestine  
project run by the Defense Department re-created a genetically  
modified, drug-resistant strain of the anthrax bacteria believed to  
have been made by Soviet bioweaponeers. Such research helped the  
government anticipate and prepare for emerging threats, according to  
officials familiar with the anthrax study.
Some arms-control experts see the comparison as troubling. They  
argued, then and now, that the work was a possible breach of a U.S.- 
negotiated international law.
Legal and Other Pitfalls
The Bush administration argues that its biodefense research complies  
with the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention, the 1972 treaty  
outlawing the manufacture of biological weapons, because U.S. motives  
are pure.
"All the programs we do are defensive in nature," said Maureen  
McCarthy, Homeland Security's director of research and development,  
who oversees NBACC. "Our job is to ensure that the civilian  
population of the country is protected, and that we know what the  
threats are."
Current and former administration officials say that compliance with  
the treaty hinges on intent, and that making small amounts of  
biowarfare pathogens for study is permitted under a broad  
interpretation of the treaty. Some also argue that the need for a  
strong biodefense in an age of genetic engineering trumps concerns  
over what they see as legal hair-splitting.
"How can I go to the people of this country and say, 'I can't do this  
important research because some arms-control advocate told me I  
can't'?" asked Albright, the former Homeland Security assistant  
secretary.
But some experts in international law believe that certain  
experiments envisioned for the lab could violate the treaty's ban on  
developing, stockpiling, acquiring or retaining microbes "of types  
and in quantities that have no justification" for peaceful purposes.
"The main problem with the 'defensive intent' test is that it does  
not reflect what the treaty actually says," said David Fidler, an  
Indiana University School of Law professor and expert on the  
bioweapons convention. The treaty, largely a U.S. creation, does not  
make a distinction between defensive and offensive activities, Fidler  
said.
More practically, arms experts say, future U.S. governments may find  
it harder to object if other countries test genetically engineered  
pathogens and novel delivery systems, invoking the same need for  
biodefense.
Already, they say, there is evidence abroad of what some are calling  
a "global biodefense boom." In the past five years, numerous  
governments, including some in the developing world -- India, China  
and Cuba among them -- have begun building high-security labs for  
studying the most lethal bacteria and viruses.
"These labs have become a status symbol, a prestige item," said Alan  
Pearson, a biologist at the Center for Arms Control and Non- 
Proliferation. "A big question is: Will these labs have transparency?"
Secrecy May Have a Price
When it opens in two years, the NBACC lab will house an impressive  
collection of deadly germs and teams of scientists in full-body  
"spacesuits" to work with them. It will also have large aerosol-test  
chambers where animals will be exposed to deadly microbes. But the  
lab's most controversial feature may be its secrecy.
Homeland Security officials disclosed plans to contractors and other  
government agencies to classify the entire lab as a Sensitive  
Compartmented Information Facility, or SCIF.
In common practice, a SCIF (pronounced "skiff") is a secure room  
where highly sensitive information is stored and discussed. Access to  
SCIFs is severely limited, and all of the activity and conversation  
inside is presumed to be restricted from public disclosure. There are  
SCIFs in the U.S. Capitol, where members of Congress are briefed on  
military secrets. In U.S. nuclear labs, computers that store weapons  
data are housed inside SCIFs.
Homeland Security officials plan to operate all 160,000 square feet  
of NBACC as a SCIF. Because of the building's physical security  
features -- intended to prevent the accidental release of dangerous  
pathogens -- it was logical to operate it as a SCIF, McCarthy said.
"We need to protect information at a level that is appropriate,"  
McCarthy added, saying she expects much of the lab's less-sensitive  
work to be made public eventually.
But some biodefense experts, including some from past  
administrations, viewed the decision as a mistake.
"To overlay NBACC with a default level of high secrecy seems like  
overkill," said Gerald L. Epstein, a former science adviser to the  
White House's National Security Council and now a senior fellow with  
the Center for Strategic and International Studies. While accepting  
that some secrecy is needed, he said the NBACC plan "sends a message  
that is not at all helpful."
NBACC officials also have resisted calls for the kind of broad,  
independent oversight that many experts say is necessary to assure  
other countries and the American public about their research.
Homeland Security spokesmen insist that NBACC's work will be  
carefully monitored, but on the department's terms.
"We have our own processes to scrutinize our research, and it  
includes compliance to the bioweapons convention guidelines as well  
as scientific oversight," said Courtney, the NBACC scientific director.
In addition to the department's internal review boards, the agency  
will bring in small groups of "three or four scientists" on an ad-hoc  
basis to review certain kinds of potentially controversial  
experiments, Courtney said. The review panels will be "independent,"  
Courtney said, but he noted that only scientists with government  
security clearances will be allowed to participate.
Some experts have called for unusual forms of oversight, including  
panels of well-respected, internationally known scientists and  
observers from overseas. While allowing that the results of some  
experiments should be kept confidential, O'Toole, of the Center for  
Biosecurity, argues that virtually everything else at NBACC should be  
publicly accountable if the United States is to be a credible leader  
in preventing the proliferation of bioweapons.
"We're going to have to lean over backward," O'Toole said. "We have  
no leverage among other nation-states if we say, 'We can do whatever  
we want, but you can't. We want to see your biodefense program, but  
you can't see ours.' "
In recent weeks, NBACC's first officially completed project has drawn  
criticism, not because of its methods or procedures, but because  
heavy classification has limited its usefulness.
The project was an ambitious attempt to assess and rank the threats  
posed by dozens of different pathogens and delivery systems, drawing  
on hundreds of studies and extensive computer modeling. When  
delivered to the White House in January, it was the most extensive  
survey of its kind, and one that could guide the federal government  
in making decisions about biodefense spending.
Six months later, no one outside a small group of officials and  
advisers with top security clearances has seen the results.
"Something this important shouldn't be secret," said Thomas V.  
Inglesby, an expert at the Center for Biosecurity who serves on a  
government advisory board that was briefed on the results. "How can  
we make policy decisions about matters of this scale if we're  
operating in the dark?"
Tomorrow: A new era of engineered microbes.



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From dave at farber.net  Sun Jul 30 16:50:09 2006
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:50:09 -0400
Subject: [IP] Illegal to Photo Cops?
Message-ID: <mailman.1847.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 31 01:24:43 2006
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:24:43 -0400
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on Can you be compelled to give
  a password?  [was: Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]]
In-Reply-To: <20060728210439.GN14701@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F139DE11E322B618CE488149B5C0@phx.gbl>

"Keep in mind that in the eyes of some in government, only people
with something to hide would bother using encryption in the first
place.  From that assumption flows a sea of potential abuses."

No, that's not the problem. I've got plenty to hide, and that fact is no 
one's business but my own. The 'abuse' comes from governments who believe 
its their right to unhide that which you have decided is worth hiding.

-TD



>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [dave at farber.net: [IP] more on  Can you be compelled to give a  
>password? [was: Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]]
>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:04:39 +0200
>
>----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave at farber.net> -----
>
>From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:48:26 -0400
>To: ip at v2.listbox.com
>Subject: [IP] more on  Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: 
>Police
>  Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
>X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2)
>Reply-To: dave at farber.net
>
>
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren at vortex.com>
>Date: July 28, 2006 2:40:02 PM EDT
>To: dave at farber.net
>Cc: lauren at vortex.com
>Subject: Re: [IP] Can you be compelled to give a password? [was:
>Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
>
>
>Dave, the trend is toward laws that penalize refusal to cooperate
>with demands for decryption keys.  This concept can work in various
>ways.  In the border case, for example, a person might be refused
>entry -- or perhaps suffer confiscation of related property in some
>cases -- if they declined to provide the keys.
>
>In the case of criminal convictions, additional sentence and fine
>penalties can be imposed for uncooperative attitudes in this regard.
>
>Keep in mind that in the eyes of some in government, only people
>with something to hide would bother using encryption in the first
>place.  From that assumption flows a sea of potential abuses.
>
>--Lauren--
>Lauren Weinstein
>lauren at vortex.com or lauren at pfir.org
>Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
>http://www.pfir.org/lauren
>Co-Founder, PFIR
>    - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org
>Co-Founder, IOIC
>    - International Open Internet Coalition - http://www.ioic.net
>Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com
>Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
>Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com
>DayThink: http://daythink.vortex.com
>
>   - - -
>
> >
> >
> >Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
> >Date: July 28, 2006 2:11:45 PM EDT
> >To: dave at farber.net
> >Cc: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
> >Subject: Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
> >Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
> >
> >On Jul 28, 2006, at 1:32 PM, David Farber wrote:
> >
> >>I don't believe it is a crime in any US Federal or State law, or in
> >>Canadian law, to set passwords and use encryption.  In the US, I
> >>believe that a warrant would be necessary for law enforcement to
> >>ask for your password, but I don't know if you have to comply.
> >>IANAL.
> >
> >That is a good question - Can you be compelled to give up a
> >password?  Would you mind posting it to IP, I am interested in the
> >answer.
> >
> >Seems there might be some 'self-incriminatory' arguments here.
> >Perhaps even an "unreasonable search" argument.  But IANAL.
> >
> >--
> >TTFN,
> >patrick
> >
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From patrick_sinz at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 31 04:32:01 2006
From: patrick_sinz at yahoo.com (Patrick Sinz)
Date: July 31, 2006 4:32:01 AM EDT
Subject: [IP] more on Can you be compelled to give a password?
Message-ID: <mailman.1848.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

The whole question seems to be a way to hide the proverbial white
elephant.

Why would the border police want to look at my PC's content anyway
(apart from proving that it really work and is not just a cleverly
disguised bomb, or drug stash).

If I would smuggle illegal "whatshamacallits" the only reason to do it
on my PC and travel through the border instead of using the internet
would be because the internet "borders" would be watched "better" than
the physical borders.

So it seems that either:
"Whatshamacallits" smuggler are better informed than I am and KNOW that
the <your favorite big brother> is reading ALL their encrypted
anonymised e-mail. (and of course mine and yours and everybodys, because
how would they know otherwise).

Or it is not an efficient way to stop "Whatshamacallits" smuggler and
then it seems it is just a way to hassle random people, since booting
your PC letting the officer sniff around to find "Whatshamacallits" will
take a significant amount of time, probably enough the make you miss
your plane, train connection or what ever.
(I guess using non Microsoft OS will be a way to agravate the nice
officer that has not been trained on your platform).

It also prompts a question:
If I have a virtual "on-line" disk somewhere (lets say just to seem
really suspicious it is hosted in transdniestrian moldova)
I go to the US with my "clean PC", and then sit down and remote mount my
"on-line" disk.

Does it mean that now the US border control can legally inspect my data
as it enters the US without any warrant ?
Since it would actually be just a "continuation" of the search that they
"might have made" on my PC when I crossed the border.

	[ps]
-------------------
- In truth we are not moving to a "big brother state" it is just a
conspiration launched by the pharma industry to sell more anti paranoia
pills - but of course "they" would say that ;-)

Le dimanche 30 juillet 2006 ` 18:04 -0400, David Farber a icrit :
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>From: Andrew Grosso <Agrosso at acm.org>
>Date: July 30, 2006 4:58:41 PM EDT
>To: dave at farber.net
>Subject: Re: [IP] Can you be compelled to give a password? [was:
>Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
>
>As a former Assistant U.S. Attorney, allow me to comment.
>
>Information may be obtained by the government from a person in one of
>four ways:  (1) it is voluntarily provided; (2) by regulation in a
>heavily regulated industry; (3) by subpoena; and (4) by a search and
>seizure warrant.   We are concerned with number 3, the subpoena.
>
>A person can refuse to produce incriminating information in response
>to a subpoena under the Fifth Amendment. Please note that the
>password is not protected.   If it is written down somewhere, the
>document on which it is written is not protected by the privilege.
>The *act* of producing the document or the password itself *may* be
>privileged, if such an act is itself incriminating.  For example, if
>the password was used in a crime, and the fact that you have the
>password in your possession tends to show that you participated or
>conspired in the crime, and then the Fifth Amendment privilege is
>applicable to protect you from implicating yourself in the crime.
>The Government *can* immunize you to the limited extent necessary to
>obtain the password - it cannot then use the fact that it got the
>password from you in order to prosecute you.  This is known as "Doe"
>immunity, and there is an extensive line of cases that has developed
>in this area.  Webster Hubbell, the former Associate Attorney General
>who was convicted of tax fraud by Ken Starr's IC Office, eventually
>had his conviction vacated because Starr's legal team failed to
>follow the rules when they obtained, from him (by subpoena), his tax
>records.
>
>If the government is not investigating a crime, then it may use an
>administrative or civil subpoena to try and get the password.  If the
>witness invokes the Fifth Amendment, then the government can immunize
>that person and compel production.
>
>The second point, above, concerning a regulated industry, applies to
>such areas as Medicare and Medicaid, Government contractors for
>procurement matters, industrial health and safety mattes,
>environmental concerns, etc.  The same analysis as above would apply.
>
>Border searches are a different animal, since the government has the
>right to inspect items crossing the border without a warrant.
>However, if the password is in the traveler's head, then that is not
>an "item" that can be inspected at the border.  The information on
>the laptop might very well be such an item, however, and if the only
>way to convince the government to allow you to cross the border is to
>show the border guards what is on the laptop, then the traveler might
>very well face the choice of turning on the laptop and opening
>files,, using the password, or not crossing the border.  I do not
>believe that, even here, the traveler would have to produce the
>password itself.
>
>
>Andrew Grosso, Esq.
>Andrew Grosso & Associates
>1250 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 200
>Washington, D.C. 20036
>(202) 261-3593
>Email: Agrosso at acm.org
>Web Site: www.GrossoLaw.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Farber
>To: ip at v2.listbox.com
>Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:26 PM
>Subject: [IP] Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
>Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
>
>
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
>Date: July 28, 2006 2:11:45 PM EDT
>To: dave at farber.net
>Cc: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
>Subject: Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
>Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
>
>On Jul 28, 2006, at 1:32 PM, David Farber wrote:
>
>>I don't believe it is a crime in any US Federal or State law, or in
>>Canadian law, to set passwords and use encryption.  In the US, I
>>believe that a warrant would be necessary for law enforcement to
>>ask for your password, but I don't know if you have to comply.
>IANAL.
>
>That is a good question - Can you be compelled to give up a
>password?  Would you mind posting it to IP, I am interested in the
>answer.
>
>Seems there might be some 'self-incriminatory' arguments here.
>Perhaps even an "unreasonable search" argument.  But IANAL.
>



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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 31 01:35:03 2006
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:35:03 -0400
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on Police Blotter: Laptop
  border searches OK'd]
In-Reply-To: <20060728173734.GC14701@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY116-F342FA67CF3F7523DEEEF529B5C0@phx.gbl>

Hum. Is it possible to make a laptop boot up with a 'fake' (thouugh usable) 
directory tree? Of course, if the copss do the math (and they likely won't) 
they might be able too detect that there's a hell of a lot of nothing 
somewhere on the drive, but methinks one can also put fake info about the 
size of the disc and remaining space too.

And then of course  if this confiscated laptop ever sees online, it should 
squeal everything it knows about what's been attempted and/or accessed (ie, 
to you the rightful owner, of course). And if it stays on line then one 
should be able to remotely retrieve even the hidden and encrypted data.

meanwhile, the cops wil continue to believe that you've just got some fairly 
banal usiness data on there.

One good thing is that I think this battle will ultimately be won in favor 
of privacy. The statte can't really can't afford to train cops too be crypto 
experts.

-TD


>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [dave at farber.net: [IP] more on Police Blotter: Laptop border  
>searches OK'd]
>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:37:34 +0200
>
>----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave at farber.net> -----
>
>From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:32:54 -0400
>To: ip at v2.listbox.com
>Subject: [IP] more on Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd
>X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2)
>Reply-To: dave at farber.net
>
>
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>From: Roger Weeks <rjw at mcn.org>
>Date: July 28, 2006 12:43:18 PM EDT
>To: dave at farber.net
>Subject: Re: [IP] more on Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd
>
>Dave -
>
>For IP on the laptop border searches:
>
>I'm suprised that no one else has mentioned this so far, but this
>type of situation is one of the many excellent reasons to use an
>encrypted filesystem on your laptop hard disk, and to set up other
>types of security.
>
>For example, my PowerBook G4 is set up to use the built-in feature of
>OS X called FileVault, which encrypts the user's home directory.  The
>home directory on OS X contains the browser cache for Safari,
>Firefox, and Camino, and I have to assume, any other browser cache
>for Opera and other browsers.
>
>I have also set an Open Firmware boot password.  See
>http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/openfirmwarepassword.html
>for details.  When I travel I never put my laptop to sleep, but
>rather I shut it all the way down.  This is marginally less
>convenient, but it means that if my laptop is stolen or confiscated,
>the Open Firmware password will be the first thing that the attacker
>sees.  Supposing that is broken, they will then have to deal with
>logging into my laptop.
>
>My root account is disabled, like all OS X installs.  I have my login
>preferences set to not show the usernames on the computer, so the
>attacker will have to guess both a login name and password.
>
>If the attacker were to take the hard disk out of my laptop and make
>an image of it with forensic software, they would find an encrypted
>partition.  I'm sure the NSA probably has the horsepower to throw at
>cracking AES-128 encryption, but chances are my laptop will never get
>to them if we're talking about local law enforcement.
>
>For those in the Windows or Linux world, you can set a BIOS password
>on your laptop which is very similar to the Open Firmware boot
>password for Apple Hardware.
>
>Windows XP and Windows 2003 both include support for encrypting
>filesystems using DESX or 3DES, via the Encrypted File System.  PGP
>Corp sells a product called "PGP Whole Disk Encryption" for Windows
>2000 & XP that uses AES-256 encryption.
>
>Linux users can make a loopback encrypted filesystem for storing
>anything they wish to be encrypted.  See http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/
>Cryptoloop-HOWTO/ for details.
>
>I don't believe it is a crime in any US Federal or State law, or in
>Canadian law, to set passwords and use encryption.  In the US, I
>believe that a warrant would be necessary for law enforcement to ask
>for your password, but I don't know if you have to comply.  IANAL.
>
>--
>Roger J. Weeks
>Systems & Network Administrator
>Mendocino Community Network
>Now offering DSL across California
>
>
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From EEkid at aol.com  Mon Jul 31 08:25:53 2006
From: EEkid at aol.com (EEkid at aol.com)
Date: July 31, 2006 8:25:53 AM EDT
Subject: Why Should Feds Track College Students?
Message-ID: <mailman.1849.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/op_ed/hc-
khwill0731.artjul31,0,984479.story?coll=hc-headlines-oped


Why Should Feds Track College Students?
July 31, 2006

Does the federal government need to know whether you aced
Aristotelian ethics but had to repeat introductory biology? Does it
need to know your family's financial profile, how much aid you
received and whether you took off a semester to help out at home?

The Secretary of Education's Commission on the Future of Higher
Education thinks so. In its first draft report, released in late
June, the commission called for creation of a tracking system to
collect sensitive information about our nation's college students.
Its second draft, made public last week, softens the name of the
plan, but the essence of the proposal remains unchanged.

Whether you call it a "national unit records database" (the first
name) or a "consumer-friendly information database" (the second), it
is in fact a mandatory federal registry of all American students
throughout their collegiate careers - every course, every step, every
misstep. Once established, it could easily be linked to existing K-12
and workforce databases to create unprecedented cradle-to-grave
tracking of American citizens. All under the watchful eye of the
federal government.

The commission calls our nation's colleges and universities
unaccountable, inefficient and inaccessible. In response it seeks to
institute collection of personal information designed to quantify our
students' performance in college and in the workforce.

But many of us are concerned about invading our students' privacy by
feeding confidential educational and personal data, linked to Social
Security numbers, into a mandatory national database. Such a database
would wrest control over educational records from students and hand
it to the government. I'd like the commission to tell me how our
students would benefit from our reporting confidential family
financial information.

Those of us in higher education aren't the only ones with concerns
about this. Earlier this month, the National Association of
Independent Colleges and Universities released results of a survey
that showed the majority of Americans oppose creation of a national
system to track students' academic, enrollment and financial aid
information. More than 60 percent of those polled opposed the
creation of such a system, and 45 percent of those surveyed were
"strongly opposed" to the proposal.

Privacy groups from both ends of the political spectrum - including
the Eagle Forum and the American Civil Liberties Union - criticized
an early form of the proposal that Education Department officials
were exploring in 2004.

We already have efficient systems in place to collect educational
statistics. I question why the commission, which shares our concerns
about the increased cost of education, would want to create a
database that not only violates privacy but also would be very
expensive. Our existing systems meet the government's need to inform
public policy without intruding on student privacy because they
report the data in aggregate form. Colleges and universities report
on virtually every aspect of our students' experience - retention and
graduation rates, financial aid rates and degrees conferred by major
institutions - to the federal and state governments as well as to
organizations such as the NCAA and to many publications.

The commission seems bent on its Orwellian scheme of collecting
extensively detailed, very personal student data. Supporters say it
would make higher education more accountable and more affordable for
students. Admirable goals, but a strange and forbidding solution.

This proposal is a violation of the right to privacy that Americans
hold dear. It is against the law. Moreover, there is a mountain of
data already out there that can help us understand higher education
and its efficacy. And, finally, implementation of such a database,
which at its inception would hold "unit" record data on 17 million
students, would be an unfunded mandate on institutions and add
greatly to the expense of education.

At a time when the world acknowledges the strength of the American
system of higher education - that it is decentralized, diverse,
competitive and independent - why would a commission on the future of
higher education want to impose federal regulations and federal
bureaucratic monitoring of individual students in the name of
"improving" higher education?

Katherine Haley Will is president of Gettysburg College and
chairwoman-elect of the Annapolis Group, an organization of leading
independent liberal arts colleges. This first appeared in The
Washington Post.

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From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:36:51 -0400
Subject: [IP] Why Should Feds Track College Students?
Message-ID: <mailman.1850.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:40:30 -0400
Subject: [IP] more on Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
 Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Jul 31 01:43:29 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:43:29 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on   Can you be compelled to give a
  password? [was: Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]]
Message-ID: <20060731084328.GB14701@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Jul 31 01:48:01 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:48:01 +0200
Subject: [endy@MIT.EDU: [Synthetic Biology] Q. Is secret biodefense a
  bad idea?]
Message-ID: <20060731084801.GE14701@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Jul 31 01:48:32 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:48:32 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] Illegal to Photo Cops?]
Message-ID: <20060731084831.GF14701@leitl.org>

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From lauren at vortex.com  Mon Jul 31 12:21:00 2006
From: lauren at vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein)
Date: July 31, 2006 12:21:00 PM EDT
Subject: [IP] search experience on "border"
Message-ID: <mailman.1852.1576007696.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


>From: Travis Kalanick <travis at redswoosh.net>
...
>While operating my laptop he said that we was tasked with preventing
>illegal pornographic material from entering the United States
...
>He returned my laptop after this warrantless search saying I was free

Dave,

And to what end -- other than going through the motions -- is such
a search?

Given a quick check, the border agent would be unlikely to find a
cache of porn photos that was compressed and archived in a single
encrypted file named C:\WINDOWS\$NtUninstallKB911567 or some other
obscure name -- not a single JPG porn file to be found in a file
scan.

Perhaps what's really going on in such border cases is some sort of
"amateur test" -- since any pro who wanted to bring porn (or any
other data) into the U.S. on a laptop would never leave the data in
an easily discovered form.  But then again, why bother using the
laptop?  How about putting an innocuous looking file on that cute
keychain memory dongle?  Or on an iPod?  Porn could be easily rigged
to look like an mp3 file, that could even play properly.  Or why not
use some spare cell phone memory area?  Or how about that 2 Gig
memory stick in the camera, or a miniSD memory card inserted
into an electric razor or the binding of a book?

To quote the wonderful episode "OBIT" from the original '60s
television series "The Outer Limits": "The machines are everywhere!"
Anyone with half a brain who wants to bring data into the U.S. can
do so without meaningful detection, short of a full body cavity
strip search and prolonged forensic analysis -- and even then the
true nature of any data might well be undiscovered.

All of the rest is for show, and perhaps to cull the low hanging fruit.

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
lauren at vortex.com or lauren at pfir.org
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
http://www.pfir.org/lauren
Co-Founder, PFIR
    - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org
Co-Founder, IOIC
    - International Open Internet Coalition - http://www.ioic.net
Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com
Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com
DayThink: http://daythink.vortex.com




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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Jul 31 05:48:22 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:48:22 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] Why Should Feds Track College Students?]
Message-ID: <20060731124821.GO14701@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Jul 31 05:50:02 2006
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:50:02 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on Can you be compelled to give a
  password? [was: Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]]
Message-ID: <20060731125002.GP14701@leitl.org>

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From michaelslists at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 02:25:12 2006
From: michaelslists at gmail.com (mikeiscool)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:25:12 +1000
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] more on Can you be compelled to give
  a password? [was: Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]]
In-Reply-To: <20060731084328.GB14701@leitl.org>
References: <20060731084328.GB14701@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <5e01c29a0607310225k7e45a772g10c6b0e69cd2c729@mail.gmail.com>

It's interesting really.

Assuming one _did_ use some form of dual-key encryption such that key
a produces the real data, key b produces useless random noise, would
the feds smarten up such that they will analyse the decrypted result,
and, if they decide it's useless, force you to give up another key?

What if there were an N-Key system that (i.e. maybe OTP) where any
given key could give any given plaintext. Maybe they would force you
to try keys until they got a result they liked?

Is such a scenario possible?

-- mic


On 7/31/06, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
> ----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave at farber.net> -----
>
> From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:04:08 -0400
> To: ip at v2.listbox.com
> Subject: [IP] more on   Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
>  Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2)
> Reply-To: dave at farber.net
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Andrew Grosso <Agrosso at acm.org>
> Date: July 30, 2006 4:58:41 PM EDT
> To: dave at farber.net
> Subject: Re: [IP] Can you be compelled to give a password? [was:
> Police Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
>
> As a former Assistant U.S. Attorney, allow me to comment.
>
> Information may be obtained by the government from a person in one of
> four ways:  (1) it is voluntarily provided; (2) by regulation in a
> heavily regulated industry; (3) by subpoena; and (4) by a search and
> seizure warrant.   We are concerned with number 3, the subpoena.
>
> A person can refuse to produce incriminating information in response
> to a subpoena under the Fifth Amendment. Please note that the
> password is not protected.   If it is written down somewhere, the
> document on which it is written is not protected by the privilege.
> The *act* of producing the document or the password itself *may* be
> privileged, if such an act is itself incriminating.  For example, if
> the password was used in a crime, and the fact that you have the
> password in your possession tends to show that you participated or
> conspired in the crime, and then the Fifth Amendment privilege is
> applicable to protect you from implicating yourself in the crime.
> The Government *can* immunize you to the limited extent necessary to
> obtain the password - it cannot then use the fact that it got the
> password from you in order to prosecute you.  This is known as "Doe"
> immunity, and there is an extensive line of cases that has developed
> in this area.  Webster Hubbell, the former Associate Attorney General
> who was convicted of tax fraud by Ken Starr's IC Office, eventually
> had his conviction vacated because Starr's legal team failed to
> follow the rules when they obtained, from him (by subpoena), his tax
> records.
>
> If the government is not investigating a crime, then it may use an
> administrative or civil subpoena to try and get the password.  If the
> witness invokes the Fifth Amendment, then the government can immunize
> that person and compel production.
>
> The second point, above, concerning a regulated industry, applies to
> such areas as Medicare and Medicaid, Government contractors for
> procurement matters, industrial health and safety mattes,
> environmental concerns, etc.  The same analysis as above would apply.
>
> Border searches are a different animal, since the government has the
> right to inspect items crossing the border without a warrant.
> However, if the password is in the traveler's head, then that is not
> an "item" that can be inspected at the border.  The information on
> the laptop might very well be such an item, however, and if the only
> way to convince the government to allow you to cross the border is to
> show the border guards what is on the laptop, then the traveler might
> very well face the choice of turning on the laptop and opening
> files,, using the password, or not crossing the border.  I do not
> believe that, even here, the traveler would have to produce the
> password itself.
>
>
> Andrew Grosso, Esq.
> Andrew Grosso & Associates
> 1250 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 200
> Washington, D.C. 20036
> (202) 261-3593
> Email: Agrosso at acm.org
> Web Site: www.GrossoLaw.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Farber
> To: ip at v2.listbox.com
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:26 PM
> Subject: [IP] Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
> Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
> Date: July 28, 2006 2:11:45 PM EDT
> To: dave at farber.net
> Cc: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
> Subject: Can you be compelled to give a password? [was: Police
> Blotter: Laptop border searches OK'd]
>
> On Jul 28, 2006, at 1:32 PM, David Farber wrote:
>
> > I don't believe it is a crime in any US Federal or State law, or in
> > Canadian law, to set passwords and use encryption.  In the US, I
> > believe that a warrant would be necessary for law enforcement to
> > ask for your password, but I don't know if you have to comply.
> IANAL.
>
> That is a good question - Can you be compelled to give up a
> password?  Would you mind posting it to IP, I am interested in the
> answer.
>
> Seems there might be some 'self-incriminatory' arguments here.
> Perhaps even an "unreasonable search" argument.  But IANAL.
>
> --
> TTFN,
> patrick
>
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