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Starting: Sat Oct 1 04:28:53 PDT 2005
Ending: Mon Oct 31 23:15:02 PST 2005
Messages: 317

• /. [Future Cell Phone Knows You By Your Walk]   Eugen Leitl
• /. [Snooping Through Walls with Microwaves]   Eugen Leitl
• /. [You Need Not Be Paranoid To Fear RFID]   Eugen Leitl
• 0wn3d   cyphrpunk
• 1-4 extra inches makes a massive difference   bettye price
• [agl at imperialviolet.org: Re: nym-0.2 released (fwd)]   Eugen Leitl
• [ANNOUNCE] OpenSSL version 0.9.8a and 0.9.7h released   Mark J Cox
• [arma at mit.edu: EFF is looking for Tor DMCA test case volunteers]   Eugen Leitl
• [arma at mit.edu: Re: Publicizing Hidden Services]   Eugen Leitl
• [arma at mit.edu: Re: Wikipedia & Tor]   lists
• [arma at mit.edu: Tor 0.1.1.8-alpha is out]   Eugen Leitl
• [arma at mit.edu: Why some Tor servers are slow (was Re: TOR Park Exit Node Question)]   Eugen Leitl
• [arrakistor at gmail.com: Wikipedia & Tor]   John Kelsey
• [arrakistor at gmail.com: Wikipedia & Tor]   Tyler Durden
• [brianwc at ocf.berkeley.edu: Re: Interoperating with p2p traffic]   Eugen Leitl
• [Clips] "Cashpaks": Money for Nothing   R.A. Hettinga
• [Clips] [p2p-hackers] CodeCon 2006 Call For Papers   R.A. Hettinga
• [Clips] Christopher Hitchens: What Goes Around Comes Around   R.A. Hettinga
• [Clips] FDIC: FIL-103-2005: Authentication in an Internet Banking Environment   R.A. Hettinga
• [Clips] FDIC: Putting an End to Account-Hijacking Identity Theft Study Supplement   R.A. Hettinga
• [Clips] How Tools of War On Terror Ensnare Wanted Citizens   R.A. Hettinga
• [Clips] New Screening Tech Misses Nothing   R.A. Hettinga
• [Clips] Security 2.0: FBI Tries Again To Upgrade Technology   R.A. Hettinga
• [Clips] Senate Approves Inter-American Convention Against Terrorism   R.A. Hettinga
• [Clips] The myth of "suitcase nukes."   R.A. Hettinga
• [cyphrpunk at gmail.com: Re: Hooking nym to wikipedia]   Eugen Leitl
• [cyphrpunk at gmail.com: Re: nym-0.2 released (fwd)]   Eugen Leitl
• [cyphrpunk at gmail.com: Re: nym-0.2 released (fwd)]   Eugen Leitl
• [danm at prime.gushi.org: Re: SSL fro hidden services]   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] CALEA and Colleges]   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] EFF: Court Issues Surveillance Smack-Down to Justice Department]   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] Guardian Observer (London) on Google Privacy Issues]   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] Italy requires logging of personal info at cybercafes]   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] Italy requires logging of personal info at cybercafes]   Tyler Durden
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] Location tracking -- a bill of rights?]   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] more on Colleges protest netwoprk upgrades to allow easier surveillance]   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] more on U.S. passports to receive RFID implants start   Tyler Durden
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] more on U.S. passports to receive RFID implants start   Roy M. Silvernail
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] more on U.S. passports to receive RFID implants start   Bill Stewart
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] more on U.S. passports to receive RFID implants start   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] more on U.S. passports to receive RFID implants start   Major Variola (ret)
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] more on U.S. passports to receive RFID implants starting in October 2006 [priv]]   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] more on USG RFI for "metrics" on the 'terror war']   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] READ more on Location tracking -- for people, products, places -- is fast coming into its own / It's 11 o'clock. Do you know where your _______ is?]   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] reply from Tropos on 1 more on Limits on wireless le ave U.S. at risk]   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] Wireless access for all? Google plan would offer free Internet throughout SF]   Eugen Leitl
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] Wireless access for all? Google plan would offer free Internet throughout SF]   R.A. Hettinga
• [dave at farber.net: [IP] Wiretapping innocent people on the Internet]   Eugen Leitl
• [declan at well.com: [Politech] U.S. passports to receive RFID implants starting in October 2006 [priv]]   Eugen Leitl
• [djm at mindrot.org: Re: [smb at cs.columbia.edu: Skype security evaluation]]   Eugen Leitl
• [E-B] EFF: Court Issues Surveillance Smack-Down to Justice   EFF Press
• [EPIC_IDOF] CALEA and Colleges   Bruce Schneier
• [extropy-chat] Worldwide SOS system   David Lubkin
• [extropy at unreasonable.com: Re: [extropy-chat] Worldwide SOS system]   Eugen Leitl
• [eyv at cs.umn.edu: Re: Low-Cost Traffic Analysis of Tor]   Eugen Leitl
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   R.A. Hettinga
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Daniel A. Nagy
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Daniel A. Nagy
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Ian G
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Daniel A. Nagy
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   David Alexander Molnar
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   R.A. Hettinga
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Daniel A. Nagy
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   R.A. Hettinga
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Daniel A. Nagy
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Daniel A. Nagy
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   R.A. Hettinga
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   R. Hirschfeld
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   R.A. Hettinga
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Ian G
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Steve Schear
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   John Kelsey
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Daniel A. Nagy
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Daniel A. Nagy
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Daniel A. Nagy
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   John Kelsey
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   leichter_jerrold at emc.com
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Travis H.
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   James A. Donald
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Ian G
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   Daniel A. Nagy
• [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• [goodell at eecs.harvard.edu: Re: Access for the uncomputed]   Eugen Leitl
• [IP] CALEA and Colleges   David Farber
• [IP] EFF: Court Issues Surveillance Smack-Down to Justice Department   David Farber
• [IP] Guardian Observer (London) on Google Privacy Issues   David Farber
• [IP] Italy requires logging of personal info at cybercafes   David Farber
• [IP] Location tracking -- a bill of rights?   David Farber
• [IP] more on Colleges protest netwoprk upgrades to allow easier   David Farber
• [IP] more on Location tracking -- for people, products,   Seth David Schoen
• [IP] more on U.S. passports to receive RFID implants   Edward Hasbrouck
• [IP] more on U.S. passports to receive RFID implants starting in   David Farber
• [IP] more on USG RFI for "metrics" on the 'terror war'   Lee Tien
• [IP] more on USG RFI for "metrics" on the 'terror war'   David Farber
• [IP] READ more on Location tracking -- for people, products, places   David Farber
• [IP] reply from Tropos on 1 more on Limits on wireless le ave U.S. at risk   David Farber
• [IP] Wireless access for all? Google plan would offer free Internet   David Farber
• [IP] Wiretapping innocent people on the Internet   David Farber
• [jason at lunkwill.org: nym-0.2 released]   Eugen Leitl
• [jason at lunkwill.org: nym-0.3 released]   Eugen Leitl
• [jason at lunkwill.org: nym-0.4 released (now includes Javascript)]   Eugen Leitl
• [jason at lunkwill.org: nym paper preprint]   Eugen Leitl
• [jason at lunkwill.org: Re: nym-0.2 released (fwd)]   Eugen Leitl
• [jason at lunkwill.org: Re: nym-0.2 released (fwd)]   Eugen Leitl
• [jason at lunkwill.org: Wikipedia proposal]   Eugen Leitl
• [kerry at vscape.com: Re: [p2p-hackers] P2P Authentication]   Eugen Leitl
• [kerry at vscape.com: Re: [p2p-hackers] P2P Authentication]   cyphrpunk
• [kerry at vscape.com: Re: [p2p-hackers] P2P Authentication]   R.A. Hettinga
• [kragen at pobox.com: cost to install surveillance cameras in public places]   Eugen Leitl
• [loki_tiwaz at hotmail.com: Re: SSL fro hidden services]   Eugen Leitl
• [mark at awe.com: [ANNOUNCE] OpenSSL version 0.9.8a and 0.9.7h released]   Eugen Leitl
• [matthew at matthew.at: RE: [p2p-hackers] P2P Authentication]   Eugen Leitl
• [mikepery at fscked.org: Re: questions about hidden service hashes, and experiences running hidden services]   Eugen Leitl
• [nickm at freehaven.net: Re: TOR in Java?]   Eugen Leitl
• [p2p-hackers] P2P Authentication   Kerry Bonin
• [p2p-hackers] P2P Authentication   Matthew Kaufman
• [p2p-hackers] P2P Authentication   Kerry Bonin
• [p2p-hackers] Workshop on Dependable and Sustainable Peer-to-Peer Systems   Sam Joseph
• [Politech] More on Barney lawyer yearning to hack copyright infringers' sites [ip]   Justin
• [Politech] U.S. passports to receive RFID implants starting in October 2006 [priv]   Declan McCullagh
• [Politech] Wiretapping innocent people on the Internet   John Gilmore
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   R.A. Hettinga
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   cyphrpunk
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   Travis H.
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   Stephan Neuhaus
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   J�rn Schmidt
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   Alexander Klimov
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   Justin
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   Hagai Bar-El
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   Ben Laurie
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   Shawn K. Quinn
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   Eugen Leitl
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   Major Variola (ret)
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   R.A. Hettinga
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   cyphrpunk
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   R.A. Hettinga
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   Shawn K. Quinn
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   cyphrpunk
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   Shawn K. Quinn
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   R.A. Hettinga
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   Eugen Leitl
• [PracticalSecurity] Anonymity - great technology but hardly used   John Kelsey
• [sam at neurogrid.com: [p2p-hackers] Workshop on Dependable and Sustainable Peer-to-Peer Systems]   Eugen Leitl
• [smb at cs.columbia.edu: Skype security evaluation]   Eugen Leitl
• [smb at cs.columbia.edu: Skype security evaluation]   Joseph Ashwood
• [smb at cs.columbia.edu: Skype security evaluation]   Damien Miller
• [smb at cs.columbia.edu: Skype security evaluation]   Travis H.
• [smb at cs.columbia.edu: Skype security evaluation]   cyphrpunk
• [smb at cs.columbia.edu: Skype security evaluation]   Ivars Suba
• [smb at cs.columbia.edu: Skype security evaluation]   Dirk-Willem van Gulik
• [smb at cs.columbia.edu: Skype security evaluation]   cyphrpunk
• [smb at cs.columbia.edu: Skype security evaluation]   Whyte, William
• AW: [smb at cs.columbia.edu: Skype security evaluation]   Kuehn, Ulrich
• [thomas at northernsecurity.net: Handbook for bloggers and cyber-dissidents]   Eugen Leitl
• [thomas at northernsecurity.net: Handbook for bloggers and cyber-dissidents]   Tyler Durden
• [tortalk+Steven.Murdoch at cl.cam.ac.uk: Software from "Low-Cost Traffic Analysis of Tor"]   Eugen Leitl
• Access for the uncomputed   Geoffrey Goodell
• ambien bremen   Cassie Blackburn
• ambien sachem   Trudy Hadley
• ambien tog   Norris Hammond
• Any comments on BlueGem's LocalSSL?   Peter Gutmann
• Any comments on BlueGem's LocalSSL?   R.A. Hettinga
• Any comments on BlueGem's LocalSSL?   James A. Donald
• Any comments on BlueGem's LocalSSL?   R.A. Hettinga
• Any comments on BlueGem's LocalSSL?   R.A. Hettinga
• Become VIP   Francisca Reaves
• best deals on watches   Leo Mooney
• Best Losing Weight Hoodia War9aW   Katherine Willis
• big bro in the car   Major Variola (ret)
• blocking fair use? 2 Science Groups Say Kansas Can't Use Their Evolution Papers   Major Variola (ret)
• blocking fair use? 2 Science Groups Say Kansas Can't Use Their Evolution Papers   Major Variola (ret)
• Blood, Bullets, Bombs and Bandwidth   R.A. Hettinga
• Blood, Bullets, Bombs and Bandwidth   Justin
• Blood, Bullets, Bombs and Bandwidth   R.A. Hettinga
• Branded Watches at Huge Discount d5   Clair Stover
• CodeCon 2006 Call For Papers   Len Sassaman
• Colleges protest netwoprk upgrades to allow easier surveillance   finin
• Color Laser Printer Snitch Codes   Tyler Durden
• Color Laser Printer Snitch Codes   Major Variola (ret.)
• cost to install surveillance cameras in public places   kragen at pobox.com
• Court Blocks Ga. Photo ID Requirement   Major Variola (ret)
• crypto on sonet is free, Tyler   Major Variola (ret)
• crypto on sonet is free, Tyler   Tyler Durden
• cypherpunks at minder.net closing on 11/1   Brian Minder
• cypherpunks at minder.net closing on 11/1   Eugen Leitl
• cypherpunks at minder.net closing on 11/1   R.A. Hettinga
• cypherpunks at minder.net closing on 11/1   Riad S. Wahby
• cypherpunks at minder.net closing on 11/1   cyphrpunk
• cypherpunks subscription   ericm at lne.com
• designer watches for a fraction of the cost   Sterling Mock
• Does Ur Cock Hard Enough? utMy1P   Cleo Downs
• Double Your Penis Size VTTe1J   Morgan Aragon
• Do You Love Low-Priced St0cks?   Gus Noble
• Do you want Rolex?   Casey Lockett
• EFF is looking for Tor DMCA test case volunteers   Roger Dingledine
• filevault   R.A. Hettinga
• For IP: Italy requires logging of personal info at cybercafes   Brett Glass
• Handbook for bloggers and cyber-dissidents   Thomas Sj?gren
• Hard Like Rock tRU   Garry Wesley
• Highest Quality Branded Watches ZpsO   Janie Medeiros
• Hooking nym to wikipedia   cyphrpunk
• Interoperating with p2p traffic   Brian C
• It`s time to Refill asteroid   Daniel Stratton
• IWC Watches   Beau Draper
• Judy Miller needing killing   Major Variola (ret.)
• Judy Miller needing killing   Chris Clymer
• Judy Miller needing killing   Shawn Duffy
• Judy Miller needing killing   Chris Clymer
• Judy Miller needing killing   Gil Hamilton
• Judy Miller needing killing   Justin
• Judy Miller needing killing   Dave Howe
• Judy Miller needing killing   Gil Hamilton
• Judy Miller needing killing   Gil Hamilton
• Judy Miller needing killing   Dave Howe
• Judy Miller needing killing   Gil Hamilton
• Judy Miller needing killing   cyphrpunk
• Judy Miller needing killing   Riad S. Wahby
• Judy Miller needing killing   Tyler Durden
• Judy Miller needing killing   John Kelsey
• Just to make your life more paranoid:) Re: Surreptitious Tor Messages?   alan
• Just to make your life more paranoid:) Re: Surreptitious Tor Messages?   gwen hastings
• Just to make your life more paranoid:) Re: Surreptitious Tor Messages?   Steve Furlong
• Just to make your life more paranoid:) Re: Surreptitious Tor Messages?   Tyler Durden
• Legally thwarting FBI surveillance of libraries and ISPs   Steve Schear
• Life Experience D3grees   Dexter Mayer
• Location tracking -- a bill of rights?   Brian Smithson
• Low-Cost Traffic Analysis of Tor   Eugene Y. Vasserman
• Mobile phones talk the talk, will soon walk the walk   FogStorm
• Multiple passports?   Justin
• Multiple passports?   Gregory Hicks
• Multiple passports?   Jay Goodman Tamboli
• Multiple passports?   Bill Stewart
• Multiple passports?   Eugen Leitl
• Multiple passports?   Justin
• Multiple passports?   Peter Gutmann
• Multiple passports?   Chris Clymer
• No subject   Craig McKie
• nym-0.2 released (fwd)   cyphrpunk
• nym-0.2 released (fwd)   Jason Holt
• nym-0.2 released (fwd)   Adam Langley
• nym-0.2 released (fwd)   cyphrpunk
• nym-0.2 released (fwd)   Jason Holt
• nym-0.3 released   Jason Holt
• nym-0.4 released (now includes Javascript)   Jason Holt
• nym paper preprint   Jason Holt
• On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   James A. Donald
• On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   cyphrpunk
• On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems   John Kelsey
• Only VIP got them   Royal Langford
• On special objects, and Judy Miller's treason   Major Variola (ret)
• On special objects, and Judy Miller's treason   Tyler Durden
• On the orthogonality of anonymity to current market demand   R.A. Hettinga
• On the orthogonality of anonymity to current market demand   John Kelsey
• On the orthogonality of anonymity to current market demand   James A. Donald
• On the orthogonality of anonymity to current market demand   James A. Donald
• On the orthogonality of anonymity to current market demand   johns at worldwinner.com
• On the orthogonality of anonymity to current market demand   R.A. Hettinga
• On the orthogonality of anonymity to current market demand   Chris Palmer
• packet traffic analysis   John Denker
• packet traffic analysis   Travis H.
• packet traffic analysis   Travis H.
• packet traffic analysis   John Denker
• packet traffic analysis   Travis H.
• packet traffic analysis   Travis H.
• Passport Hell (was [Clips] Re: [duodenalswitch] Re: Konstantin)   R.A. Hettinga
• Please Her Tonite GxlSj   Melinda Shelton
• Practical Security Mailing List   R.A. Hettinga
• Private records scattered in the wind (FLA)   Major Variola (ret)
• Publicizing Hidden Services   Roger Dingledine
• questions about hidden service hashes, and experiences running   Mike Perry
• Return of the death of cypherpunks.   James A. Donald
• Return of the death of cypherpunks.   Tyler Durden
• Return of the death of cypherpunks.   John Kelsey
• Return of the death of cypherpunks.   James A. Donald
• Rolex at 80% Off b9BQ   Rene Herman
• Running a cypherpunks list node?   Meyer Wolfsheim
• Running a cypherpunks list node?   Riad S. Wahby
• Skype security evaluation   Steven M. Bellovin
• Software from "Low-Cost Traffic Analysis of Tor"   Steven J. Murdoch
• SSL fro hidden services   loki tiwaz
• SSL fro hidden services   Dan Mahoney, System Admin
• subscribe   Sarad AV
• Surreptitious Tor Messages?   Tyler Durden
• Surreptitious Tor Messages?   cyphrpunk
• Surreptitious Tor Messages?   Roy M. Silvernail
• TEMPEST PC for sale on ebay   Peter Gutmann
• TEMPEST PC for sale on ebay   Tyler Durden
• test   Major Variola (ret.)
• The price of failure   Steve Schear
• The price of failure   R.A. Hettinga
• The price of failure   Michael Silk
• Tor 0.1.1.8-alpha is out   Roger Dingledine
• TOR in Java?   Nick Mathewson
• valium fate   Florence Hargrove
• Venona not all decrypted?   R.A. Hettinga
• Venona not all decrypted?   Greg Rose
• wanna be a rich guy?   Laurie Herron
• Watches Lovers Love this jyGe   Stacey Bryan
• we have the best deals on rolex cartier and so many more   Mason Ladner
• we have the best deals on rolex cartier and so many more   Emmett Everett
• Wikipedia proposal   Jason Holt
• Woww..8o-% 0ff Cypherpunks   Mitchell Keyes
• Xanax - get it here warden   Christa Reynolds
• xanax wakefield   Jodie Horn
• You can save few hundreds every month bebop   Bethany Terry
• You can save few hundreds every month microscopy   Traci Vann

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