From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  1 08:20:52 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:20:52 -0500
Subject: Federal Judge Orders 'Enemy Combatant' Jose Padilla Charged
  Or Released
In-Reply-To: <p06110411be4980a4bb6d@[68.167.57.91]>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F25635628E2D720F5ECB47E9B590@phx.gbl>

What the hell. A federal judge finally did something that wasn't completely 
cowardly. I'm interested to see how the Bushites will try to subvert this 
situation anyway. Come to think of it, I'd bet they've been brainwashing 
Padilla to blow up something the day after he gets out so they can squelch 
the remaining democratic "loopholes".

-TD



>From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
>Subject: Federal Judge Orders 'Enemy Combatant' Jose Padilla Charged Or   
>Released
>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:15:44 -0500
>
><http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=401&u=/wews/20050228/lo_wyff/2605959&printer=1>
>
>Yahoo!
>
>Federal Judge Orders 'Enemy Combatant' Jose Padilla Charged Or Released
>
>
>Mon Feb 28, 6:08 PM ET
>
>
>  A federal judge in Spartanburg has ordered that an American citizen held
>as an enemy combatant in a Navy brig in Charleston should be released.
>
>
>
>
>  U.S. District Judge Henry F. Floyd ruled Monday that the president of the
>United States does not have the authority to order Jose Padilla to be held.
>
>  "If the law in its current state is found by the president to be
>insufficient to protect this country from terrorist plots, such as the one
>alleged here, then the president should prevail upon Congress to remedy the
>problem," he wrote.
>
>  In the ruling, Floyd said that three court cases that the government used
>to make its claim did not sufficiently apply to Padilla's case.
>
>  Floyd wrote that, in essence, "the detention of a United States citizen 
>by
>the military is disallowed without explicit Congressional authorization."
>
>  Floyd wrote that because the government had not provided any proof that
>the president has the power to hold Padilla, he must reject the
>government's claim of authority.
>
>  "To do otherwise would not only offend the rule of law and violate this
>countrys constitutional tradition, but it would also be a betrayal of this
>nations commitment to the separation of powers that safeguards our
>democratic values and individual liberties," he wrote.
>
>  "For the court to find for [the U.S. government] would also be to engage
>in judicial activism. This court sits to interpret the law as it is and not
>as the court might wish it to be. Pursuant to its interpretation, the court
>finds that the President has no power, neither express nor implied, neither
>constitutional nor statutory, to hold [Padilla] as an enemy combatant,"
>Floyd wrote.
>
>  As a result, Floyd ordered that Padilla be charged with a crime or
>released within 45 days.
>
>  The government is expected to appeal the decision.
>
>--
>-----------------
>R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
>The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
>44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
>"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
>[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
>experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Mar  1 09:53:51 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:53:51 -0500
Subject: Invisibility Shields Planned by Engineers
Message-ID: <p0611046abe4a5b52fd52@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/02/0228_050228_invisibility.html>

Invisibility Shields Planned by Engineers
James Owen in London
for National Geographic News
February 28, 2005

 In popular science fiction, the power of invisibility is readily apparent.
Star Trek fans, for example, know that the devious Romulans could make
their spaceships suddenly disappear.

 But is the idea really so implausible? Not according to new findings by
scientists who say they have come up with a way to create cloaking device.

 Electronic engineers at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia are
researching a device they say could make objects "nearly invisible to an
observer." The contrivance works by preventing light from bouncing off the
surface of an object, causing the object to appear so small it all but
disappears.

 The concept was reported today by the science news Web site
news at nature.com. It says the proposed cloaking device would not require any
peripheral attachments (such as antennas or computer networks) and would
reduce visibility no matter what angle an object is viewed at.

 Sir John Pendry, a physicist at Imperial College, London, said the concept
potentially holds several important applications "in stealth technology and
camouflage."

 While types of invisibility shielding have been developed before, the
phenomenon described by Andrea Alz and Nader Engheta sounds like something
that might have been witnessed from the bridge of science fiction's
starship Enterprise.

 The concept is based on a "plasmonic cover," which is a means to prevent
light from scattering. (It is light bouncing off an object that makes it
visible to an observer).

 The cover would stop light from scattering by resonating at the same
frequency as the light striking it. If such a device could cope with
different wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation (including visible
light), in theory, the object would vanish into thin air.

 Plasmonic Covers

 Alz and Engheta investigated experimental plasmonic covers that
incorporated metals, such as gold and silver, to hide visible light.

 When light strikes a metallic material, waves of electrons, called
plasmons, are generated. The engineers found that when the frequency of the
light striking the material matched the frequency of the plasmons, the two
frequencies act to cancel each other out.

 Under such conditions, the metallic object scattered only negligible
amounts of light.

 The researchers' studies show that spherical and cylindrical objects
coated with plasmonic shielding material produce very little light
scattering. These objects, when hit by the right wavelength of light, were
seen to become so small that they were almost invisible.

 The study is supported by the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects
Agency, which researches and develops cutting edge military technology.

 Some experts note, however, that cloaking devices that could enable
military vehicles and aircraft, let alone spaceships, to become completely
invisible to the enemy are likely to remain elusive for the foreseeable
future.

 John Pendry, the Imperial College physicist, said that light-shielding
covers would have to be customized to match the properties of each and
every object they hide.

 It would be still more difficult to devise shields that could cope with
all wavelengths of the visible spectrum-from red to violet light-and not
just a single color.

 Types of invisibility shielding previously proposed by scientists depend
on advanced camouflage systems, rather than objects being made to look
undetectably tiny. Such systems involve light sensors that create a mirror
image of the background scene on the concealed object.

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[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Mar  1 10:00:43 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:00:43 -0500
Subject: I.R.S. Accuses Man of Hiding $450 Million
Message-ID: <p0611046dbe4a5e43adbb@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/01/business/01tax.html?th=&pagewanted=print&position=>

The New York Times
March 1, 2005

I.R.S. Accuses Man of Hiding $450 Million
 By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON


ASHINGTON, Feb. 28 - A prominent telecommunications entrepreneur who once
tried to mount a rescue of a Russian space station has been arrested and
charged with evading taxes by hiding at least $450 million of income
through offshore corporations.

According to a 12-count indictment released on Monday that federal
prosecutors called the largest criminal case of individual tax evasion, the
entrepreneur, Walter Anderson, 51, did not pay over $210 million in federal
and local income taxes he owed for the years 1995 through 1999 alone.

"Mr. Anderson ran the table when it came to violating the tax laws," Mark
W. Everson, the Internal Revenue Service commissioner, told a news
conference Monday. "Because of his dishonest dealings, Mr. Anderson's
lavish lifestyle was subsidized by honest, hard-working Americans."

In 1998 Mr. Anderson, who lives in Washington, reported a total income of
$67,939 and paid a tax of just $494. Mr. Everson said Mr. Anderson actually
made at least $126 million that year that he never reported. From 1987
through 1993, officials said, Mr. Anderson failed to file a tax return.

Mr. Anderson is the chief executive of Orbital Recovery, a company trying
to extend the life of telecommunications satellites. He was arrested
Saturday at Dulles Airport outside Washington as he stepped off a plane
from London, according to Kenneth L. Wainstein, the United States attorney
for the District of Columbia.

In court on Monday, Mr. Anderson pleaded not guilty to the charges. His
lawyer, John Moustakas, told Magistrate Judge Alan Kay that the
government's case was based on "innuendo and rumor."

 If convicted, Mr. Anderson faces as much as 24 years in prison.

Judge Kay ordered Mr. Anderson held without bail until a bond hearing on
Thursday. Susan Menzer, a prosecutor in the case, called Mr. Anderson "a
flight risk" who "can't be trusted."

"He hasn't been listening to judges for years," she added.

 Since a search warrant was executed in 2002, Mr. Anderson has moved
artwork and cash to Switzerland to defeat both tax collectors and creditors
who have civil court orders, the Justice Department said in court papers.

Mr. Moustakas did not return a phone call seeking comment.

Mr. Anderson has long attracted a certain level of public attention,
especially when he tried to arrange a rescue of the Mir space station five
years ago. He frequently flew in a private jet and made deals involving
millions of dollars. At conferences on space travel he often spoke of his
hatred of government.

But he came under scrutiny, law enforcement officials suggested, only
because of a tip from a disgruntled business associate.

 Mr. Anderson, according to the indictment, formed an offshore corporation,
Gold and Appeal Transfer, in the British Virgin Islands in 1992 to hide his
profits from deals involving a telecommunications company he started in the
1980's.

Over the next three years, the indictment charged, Mr. Anderson set up a
network of offshore corporations, including one in Panama under the alias
Mark Roth, that were used to hide his ownership of three telecommunications
companies and allow him to earn hundreds of millions of dollars without
paying taxes.

 While Mr. Anderson at times insisted publicly that he was worth no more
than $4 million, he serves as a senior business adviser to Constellation
Services International, a fledgling satellite rescue company that disclosed
his ownership of several companies, including Gold and Appeal. Its Web site
said Gold and Appeal was worth at least $100 million and described Mr.
Anderson as selling the Esprit Telecom Group in 1998 for $900 million.

 In extensive filings with the I.R.S. and the Securities and Exchange
Commission, the indictment charged, Mr. Anderson claimed that he was merely
an employee of Gold and Appeal, the offshore bank that the indictment says
was central to his tax-evasion effort.

 "The I.R.S. holds all Americans, even the very wealthy, to the same
standard," Mr. Everson said. "This indictment sends a strong signal that we
will not tolerate abuse of the tax laws."

But later, questioned by reporters, Mr. Everson noted that the I.R.S. law
enforcement staff has been cut by at least a quarter in recent years. Mr.
Wainstein, the United States attorney, said one of his prosecutors had
spent a year developing the case.

Prosecutors noted that it was difficult to catch determined tax cheats but
said that some countries known as tax havens had been cooperating with
American investigators more often since the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The
government has stepped up investigations but managed to recommend only
1,400 tax prosecutions out of the 130 million tax returns filed annually.

For budgetary reasons, the I.R.S. relies almost entirely on data reported
to it on computer files, not on traditional detective work, to help
identify tax evaders.

 Gary Hudson of Redwood City, Calif., said that Mr. Anderson invested $30
million in his Rotary Rocket, the primary backing for a private rocket
launching and recovery firm that ultimately failed.

"One condition of his investment was that we could not take any government
money," Mr. Hudson said in a telephone interview on Monday.

Besides avoiding federal taxes, the indictment charges, Mr. Anderson also
evaded at least $40 million in income taxes owed the District of Columbia
and $254,000 in local sales taxes he should have paid on jewelry, wine and
art, including a painting by Salvador Dalm and several by Reni Magritte.

Copyright 2
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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From jrandom at i2p.net  Tue Mar  1 13:03:35 2005
From: jrandom at i2p.net (jrandom)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:03:35 -0800
Subject: [i2p] weekly status notes [mar 1]
Message-ID: <mailman.1186.1576007656.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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Hi y'all, time for our status update

* Index
1) 0.5.0.1
2) roadmap
3) addressbook editor and config
4) i2p-bt
5) ???

* 1) 0.5.0.1

As discussed last week, a few hours after the meeting we pushed out
a new 0.5.0.1 release fixing the bugs in 0.5 that had caused the
massive number of tunnels being built (among other things).
Generally, this rev has improved things, but under wider testing,
we've come across some additional bugs that have been hitting a few
people.  In particular, the 0.5.0.1 rev can gobble tons of CPU if
you have a slow machine or your router's tunnels fail in bulk, and
some long lived I2PTunnel servers can gobble up RAM until it OOMs.
There has also been a long standing bug in the streaming lib, where
we can fail to establish a connection if just the right failures
happen.

Most of these (among others) have been fixed in cvs, but some remain
outstanding.  Once they're all fixed, we'll package 'er up and ship
it as a 0.5.0.2 release.  I'm not exactly sure when that'll be,
hopefully this week, but we'll see.

* 2) roadmap

After major releases, the roadmap [1] seems to get... adjusted.  The
0.5 release was no different.  That page reflects what I think is
reasonable and appropriate for the way forward, but of course, if
more people jump on to help out with things, it can certainly be
adjusted.  You'll notice the substantial break between 0.6 and
0.6.1, and while this does reflect lots of work, it also reflects
the fact that I'll be moving (its that time of the year again).

[1] http://www.i2p.net/roadmap

* 3) addressbook editor and config

Detonate has started some work on a web based interface to manage
the addressbook entries (hosts.txt), and its looking pretty
promising.  Perhaps we can get an update from detonate during the
meeting?

In addition, smeghead has been doing some work on a web based
interface to manage the addressbook configuration (the
subscriptions.txt, config.txt).  Perhaps we can get an update from
smeghead during the meeting?

* 4) i2p-bt

There's been some progress on the i2p-bt front, with a new 0.1.8
release addressing the azneti2p compatability issues as discussed
in last week's meeting.  Perhaps we can get an update from duck or
smeghead during the meeting?

Legion has also created a fork off the i2p-bt rev, merged in some
other code, patched up some things, and has a windows binary
available on his eepsite.  The announcement [2] seems to suggest
that source may be made available, though its not up on the eepsite
at the moment.  The i2p devs haven't audited (or even seen) the code
to that client, so those who need anonymity may want to get and
review a copy of the code first.

[2] http://forum.i2p.net/viewtopic.php?t=382

There's also work on a version 2 of Legion's BT client, though I
don't know the status of that.  Perhaps we can get an update from
Legion during the meeting?

* 5) ???

Thats about all I have to say atm, lots and lots going on.  Anyone
else working on things that perhaps we can get an update for during
the meeting?

=jr
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  1 14:43:49 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:43:49 -0500
Subject: I.R.S. Accuses Man of Hiding $450 Million
In-Reply-To: <p0611046dbe4a5e43adbb@[68.167.57.91]>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F40A468727B8AC378CBCEB59B590@phx.gbl>

>But later, questioned by reporters, Mr. Everson noted that the I.R.S. law
>enforcement staff has been cut by at least a quarter in recent years. Mr.
>Wainstein, the United States attorney, said one of his prosecutors had
>spent a year developing the case.

Anyone gigling? Notice that the amount he cheated the government out of 
could have easily payed the salaries of a bunch more IRS agents.

This guy should receive an Official Cypherpunk award. Or does he not deserve 
one 'cause he got caught?

-TD


>From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
>Subject: I.R.S. Accuses Man of Hiding $450 Million
>Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:00:43 -0500
>
><http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/01/business/01tax.html?th=&pagewanted=print&position=>
>
>The New York Times
>March 1, 2005
>
>I.R.S. Accuses Man of Hiding $450 Million
>  By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON
>
>
>ASHINGTON, Feb. 28 - A prominent telecommunications entrepreneur who once
>tried to mount a rescue of a Russian space station has been arrested and
>charged with evading taxes by hiding at least $450 million of income
>through offshore corporations.
>
>According to a 12-count indictment released on Monday that federal
>prosecutors called the largest criminal case of individual tax evasion, the
>entrepreneur, Walter Anderson, 51, did not pay over $210 million in federal
>and local income taxes he owed for the years 1995 through 1999 alone.
>
>"Mr. Anderson ran the table when it came to violating the tax laws," Mark
>W. Everson, the Internal Revenue Service commissioner, told a news
>conference Monday. "Because of his dishonest dealings, Mr. Anderson's
>lavish lifestyle was subsidized by honest, hard-working Americans."
>
>In 1998 Mr. Anderson, who lives in Washington, reported a total income of
>$67,939 and paid a tax of just $494. Mr. Everson said Mr. Anderson actually
>made at least $126 million that year that he never reported. From 1987
>through 1993, officials said, Mr. Anderson failed to file a tax return.
>
>Mr. Anderson is the chief executive of Orbital Recovery, a company trying
>to extend the life of telecommunications satellites. He was arrested
>Saturday at Dulles Airport outside Washington as he stepped off a plane
>from London, according to Kenneth L. Wainstein, the United States attorney
>for the District of Columbia.
>
>In court on Monday, Mr. Anderson pleaded not guilty to the charges. His
>lawyer, John Moustakas, told Magistrate Judge Alan Kay that the
>government's case was based on "innuendo and rumor."
>
>  If convicted, Mr. Anderson faces as much as 24 years in prison.
>
>Judge Kay ordered Mr. Anderson held without bail until a bond hearing on
>Thursday. Susan Menzer, a prosecutor in the case, called Mr. Anderson "a
>flight risk" who "can't be trusted."
>
>"He hasn't been listening to judges for years," she added.
>
>  Since a search warrant was executed in 2002, Mr. Anderson has moved
>artwork and cash to Switzerland to defeat both tax collectors and creditors
>who have civil court orders, the Justice Department said in court papers.
>
>Mr. Moustakas did not return a phone call seeking comment.
>
>Mr. Anderson has long attracted a certain level of public attention,
>especially when he tried to arrange a rescue of the Mir space station five
>years ago. He frequently flew in a private jet and made deals involving
>millions of dollars. At conferences on space travel he often spoke of his
>hatred of government.
>
>But he came under scrutiny, law enforcement officials suggested, only
>because of a tip from a disgruntled business associate.
>
>  Mr. Anderson, according to the indictment, formed an offshore 
>corporation,
>Gold and Appeal Transfer, in the British Virgin Islands in 1992 to hide his
>profits from deals involving a telecommunications company he started in the
>1980's.
>
>Over the next three years, the indictment charged, Mr. Anderson set up a
>network of offshore corporations, including one in Panama under the alias
>Mark Roth, that were used to hide his ownership of three telecommunications
>companies and allow him to earn hundreds of millions of dollars without
>paying taxes.
>
>  While Mr. Anderson at times insisted publicly that he was worth no more
>than $4 million, he serves as a senior business adviser to Constellation
>Services International, a fledgling satellite rescue company that disclosed
>his ownership of several companies, including Gold and Appeal. Its Web site
>said Gold and Appeal was worth at least $100 million and described Mr.
>Anderson as selling the Esprit Telecom Group in 1998 for $900 million.
>
>  In extensive filings with the I.R.S. and the Securities and Exchange
>Commission, the indictment charged, Mr. Anderson claimed that he was merely
>an employee of Gold and Appeal, the offshore bank that the indictment says
>was central to his tax-evasion effort.
>
>  "The I.R.S. holds all Americans, even the very wealthy, to the same
>standard," Mr. Everson said. "This indictment sends a strong signal that we
>will not tolerate abuse of the tax laws."
>
>But later, questioned by reporters, Mr. Everson noted that the I.R.S. law
>enforcement staff has been cut by at least a quarter in recent years. Mr.
>Wainstein, the United States attorney, said one of his prosecutors had
>spent a year developing the case.
>
>Prosecutors noted that it was difficult to catch determined tax cheats but
>said that some countries known as tax havens had been cooperating with
>American investigators more often since the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The
>government has stepped up investigations but managed to recommend only
>1,400 tax prosecutions out of the 130 million tax returns filed annually.
>
>For budgetary reasons, the I.R.S. relies almost entirely on data reported
>to it on computer files, not on traditional detective work, to help
>identify tax evaders.
>
>  Gary Hudson of Redwood City, Calif., said that Mr. Anderson invested $30
>million in his Rotary Rocket, the primary backing for a private rocket
>launching and recovery firm that ultimately failed.
>
>"One condition of his investment was that we could not take any government
>money," Mr. Hudson said in a telephone interview on Monday.
>
>Besides avoiding federal taxes, the indictment charges, Mr. Anderson also
>evaded at least $40 million in income taxes owed the District of Columbia
>and $254,000 in local sales taxes he should have paid on jewelry, wine and
>art, including a painting by Salvador Dalm and several by Reni Magritte.
>
>Copyright 2
>--
>-----------------
>R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
>The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
>44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
>"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
>[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
>experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
>--
>-----------------
>R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
>The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
>44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
>"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
>[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
>experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Mar  1 17:40:31 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:40:31 -0500
Subject: Revenge of the Son of HERF: Microwave 'Gun' Could End
  High-Speed  Police Chases
Message-ID: <p06110496be4ac725434a@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/print?id=538452>

ABC News:

Microwave 'Gun' Could End High-Speed Police Chases

Company Develops Technology to Zap Fleeing Cars With Invisible Energy Beams

By PAUL ENG

Mar. 1, 2005 - The idea of a powerful ray gun has been a staple of
science-fiction writing for decades. But a "weapon" that shoots invisible
beams of energy could be making its way into law-enforcement hands soon.

 The technology isn't exactly something that would replace a police
officer's handgun. In fact, the system being developed by Eureka Aerospace
in Pasadena, Calif., couldn't even be crammed into a standard pistol
holster.

 But the developers say their device, which uses technology more closely
related to flash cooking than Flash Gordon, may help stop criminals and
terrorists in their tracks.

 James Tatoian, chief executive of Eureka, says the High Power
Electromagnetic System is designed to disable cars -- say, those fleeing
from police officers -- using bursts of microwave energy.

 "Basically, since the 1970s, every car is built with some sort of
microprocessor-controlled system -- like the ignition control and fuel pump
control a lot of vital car systems," says Tatoian. "If you introduce a
parasitic current into their wires, it leads to a power surge which in turn
burns out those microprocessors."

 Once the car's chips are disabled, the vehicle will gradually slow to a
halt, allowing police or other security forces to safely approach and
apprehend the driver.

A New Type of Nuker

 Tatoian is quick to admit that the company's experimental device isn't the
first or only directed energy system designed to attack cars. Others have
developed similar concepts and prototypes before. And some, like Eureka,
are continuing their work using partial funding from a U.S. military
research project that seeks to study the feasibility of "less than lethal"
weapons.

 But Tatoian believes his designers and researchers have come a lot further
in terms of power, portability and usability than other alternative
solutions.

 "It's still in development stages, but the system is about 200 pounds in
total weight. It will fit in a car with the [microwave] antenna mounted on
the roof," says Tatoian. "It's also worthwhile to say that produces about
10 to 15 kilovolts per meter." During tests of the early unit, that was
enough power to burn out chips in cars up to 100 meters distant.

 More importantly, the Eureka system is "tunable"

 "What's interesting is that every car has its own set of vulnerable
frequencies -- in the range of 350 megahertz to 1,300 megahertz," says
Tatoian. "The most ideal case [for our system] is where police officers
pursuing a vehicle know the make and model of the car, they then can dial
in the right frequencies that that car is vulnerable to in order to stop
it."

Better Than Busted Tires?

 Such capabilities have caught the interest of the Los Angeles Sheriff's
Department, which has helped Eureka study the High Power Electromagnetic
System.

 "Everything works on paper and in the lab," says Cmdr. Charles "Sid" Heal,
who is in charge of studying new technology for the sheriff's department.
"If this thing works [in the field] as well as described, it would
tremendously help reduce risky high-speed pursuits."

 As seen in recent news video coverage, police typically try to end
high-speed chases with a so-called "spike strip" designed to puncture and
deflate the tires of a fleeing vehicle. While spike stripes can be
effective in stopping suspects' cars, Heal points out they can be difficult
to deploy properly and safely.

 "With spike strips, you have to lay them down before the suspect gets
there," says Heal. "And that raises the basic question, if you know where
they're going, then why chase [the suspects] at all?"

 But if police cruisers and helicopters were equipped with a working
version of Eureka's system, the nature of "hot pursuits" could change
dramatically.

 "It changes the strategy of how to safely end car chases," says Heal. "We
can pick and choose where and when to disable the car where it would put
the least amount of risk to the safety of our officers, the suspects and
the public."

The Bumps in the Road

 Still, Tatoian and Heal admit that there are quite a few questions and
concerns that will need to be addressed before police can stop fleeing
suspects with a push of a power button.

For one, Tatoian still needs to figure out whether the system will work in
"real world" conditions. And there are plenty of factors that Eureka
engineers will have to consider in further research and design.

 For example, while Tatoian is confident that every car has particular
"vulnerable frequencies," so far they've only been able to test the theory
on about 13 cars. And with thousands of different makes and models of
vehicles on the road today, it may be impossible to identify and isolate
the right combination for each car.

 And for the energy beam to be effective, researchers will have to deal
with factors that are beyond their control.

 "The difficult part of the technology is in 'coupling' -- getting the
microwave energy into the chips so they overload," says Heal. "A vast
majority of cars today are coated with rust coatings, thick paint or have
bodies made of plastic -- all not good conductors of energy."

 Tatoian believes that these concerns can be answered -- especially with
the help of Heal and the officers in the L.A. sheriff's department. One
possible theory that Eureka and Heal's department would like to test is
whether there are specific spots on cars that are particularly vulnerable
to microwave energy.

Smokey and the Zapper?

 Both Tatoian and Heal expect that by the end of this year, Eureka
Aerospace will be able to field a prototype that will test these theories
and other concerns.

 "When Dr. Tatoian is ready, we'll take this out to our chase test
facility," says Heal. "Our officers are all jazzed on it."

 But even if all the technical bugs get worked out, Heal says it still
might take quite a while before the system becomes another high-tech,
non-lethal tool for police officers on highway patrol.

 Heal pointed to a recent university study which documents that police
departments used less-than-lethal weapons -- Tasers, bean bags, batons,
pepper spray -- more than 60,000 times in the last 10 years.

 "One of the things we found out -- which we're often accused of by
detractors of less-than-lethal weapons -- is that when we get a new device,
we tend to overuse it," says Heal. "We'll have to go through fairly
rigorous steps before we implement new technology -- including involving
our legal department."

 In other words, lawyers ultimately will have the final say if highway
police really do live up to their "smokey" nickname.

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Mar  1 13:16:00 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:16:00 +0100
Subject: [i2p] weekly status notes [mar 1] (fwd from jrandom@i2p.net)
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From bryan.jones at m.cc.utah.edu  Tue Mar  1 21:42:48 2005
From: bryan.jones at m.cc.utah.edu (Bryan Jones)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 22:42:48 -0700
Subject: OS X in a Classified Environment...
Message-ID: <mailman.1187.1576007656.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Well,

Nobody currently involved in a classified project is likely to respond
to this question, but here is some historical (and unclassified) data:
I have personally seen the current Vice President putting in on the
Snake River (flyfishing) after using his Powerbook.  Also, OS X has
been used reasonably extensively in at least the FBI & CIA, but the
lack of a couple of GIS programs on the platform were preventing its
use in NIMA and the corollary division within the CIA.  The presence of
OS X within those agencies should not be surprising given that NeXT
systems were used extensively within the CIA with black slabs and cubes
everywhere, even on the secretaries desks which was pretty cool.  Also,
there are a number of current Xserve clusters that are going in to
various mil and gov agencies and operations including some with the
Navy for work in lasers, and a fairly sizable cluster going into an
Army contractor for aerodynamics work.  I would be interested to find
out what happened to the Navy sonar cluster compute project that used
G4 servers running Linux...

As for a bit of trivia, going back a ways, there was a project called
Cluster Knave (I think that was the project name), developed by ONI
running on the old Mac OS that was deployed on submarines for tactical
imagery capture, processing and transmission.  That was most certainly
a classified environment at the time, and one certainly cannot forget
those big clunky TEMPEST shielded Macs.....


Bryan

>Anyone have OS X in a Classified/secure environment?  Auditing?  Just
>curious...as I may be entering this unforgiving realm.
>
>Kit



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From dave at farber.net  Wed Mar  2 04:17:45 2005
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:17:45 -0500
Subject: [IP] Books -- The New Hows and Whys of Global
 Eavesdropping
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Subject: Books -- The New Hows and Whys of Global Eavesdropping

>From the New York Times --
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/02/books/02grim.html

BOOKS OF THE TIMES | 'CHATTER'
The New Hows and Whys of Global Eavesdropping
By WILLIAM GRIMES

Remember chatter? After 9/11, it was all over the news. For
months, snatches of cellphone conversations in Karachi or Tora
Bora routinely made the front page. Television newscasters
could chill the blood instantly by reporting on "increased
levels of chatter" somewhere in the ether. But what exactly
was it? Who was picking it up, and how were they making sense
of it?

Patrick Radden Keefe does his best to answer these questions
and demystify a very mysterious subject in "Chatter," a
beginner's guide to the world of electronic espionage and the
work of the National Security Agency, responsible for
communications security and signals intelligence, or "sigint."
In a series of semiautonomous chapters, he describes Echelon,
the vast electronic intelligence-gathering system operated by
the United States and its English-speaking allies; surveys the
current technology of global eavesdropping; and tries to sort
out the vexed issue of privacy rights versus security demands
in a world at war with terrorism.

Mr. Keefe writes, crisply and entertainingly, as an interested
private citizen rather than an expert. A third-year student at
Yale Law School, he follows in the footsteps of freelance
investigators like James Bamford, who, through sheer
persistence, managed to penetrate at least some of the
multiple layers of secrecy surrounding the National Security
Agency in his book "The Puzzle Palace."

"Chatter" is a much breezier affair, filled with anecdotes,
colorful quotes and arresting statistics. The United States
has fewer than 5,000 spies operating around the world, for
example, but 30,000 eavesdroppers. The National Security
Agency employs more mathematicians than any other organization
in the world, and every three hours its spy satellites gather
enough information to fill the Library of Congress. Menwith
Hill, the American listening station in North Yorkshire,
England, has a staff as large as MI5, Britain's domestic
intelligence service.

Menwith Hill is just one in a network of American-run bases
and overhead satellites that, Mr. Keefe writes, "have wrapped
the earth in a spectral web of electronic surveillance." In
some respects, their task is not that tough. "The air around
us and the sky above us are a riot of signals," Mr. Keefe
writes. "To intercept those signals is as easy as putting a
cup out in the rain." As fiber-optic cables become the main
channel for data transmission, surveillance will become more
difficult, but at the moment the ability to collect electronic
signals is far outstripping the ability to analyze it.

Some messages are chatter. Others are chit-chat. In February
2003, the New York City police went on high alert, sending
special teams into the subways and posting extra police at the
tunnels leading in and out of Manhattan, all because the word
"underground" had been picked up in an intercepted
conversation between terrorists. Nothing happened.

Was the word or the context misinterpreted? Or did the police
presence thwart an attack? It's impossible to know. The
National Security Agency has invested heavily in technology
while cutting back on human analysts and foreign-language
interpreters with the skill to detect shades of nuance in
casual conversations. Should it now reinvest in training
people fluent in Baluchi, the dialect spoken by Mohamed Atta,
the lead hijacker in the 9/11 attacks? By the time their
training is completed, voice-recognition technology may have
turned out to be the smart bet. Sigint is a murky business.

"Chatter" is often quite amusing. Mr. Keefe has great fun with
Total Information Awareness, the ill-fated antiterrorist
program announced by the Pentagon in the late summer of 2003.
By linking private and government databases, Total Awareness
would pick up on every electronic click, ping or chirp created
by private citizens in the course of their daily lives.

The very name, Mr. Keefe, points out, was ominous, Orwellian.
So was the symbol for the Information Awareness Office, a
pyramid with an eye on top surveying planet Earth. "In case
anyone had any doubt about the program's intentions, the Web
site bore the motto scientia est potentia, 'knowledge is
power,' " Mr. Keefe writes. Hastily, the name was changed to
Terrorism Information Awareness, but a suspicious Congress
strangled the program in its cradle.

That sounds like cause for celebration. But, as Mr. Keefe
points out, that program might have noticed when $10,000 was
wired to a Florida SunTrust bank account in the name of
Mohamed Atta on July 19, 2000, or set off alarm bells when a
dozen men, some of them on terrorist watch lists and others
with lapsed visas, bought one-way tickets on flights departing
at about the same time on Sept. 11, 2001.

Mr. Keefe is a privacy agnostic. He does not know quite where
to draw the line between legitimate national security concerns
and the privacy rights of citizens. Somewhat feebly, he calls
for vigorous debate on the issue. By temperament and by
vocation, he loathes the secrecy culture of national spy
agencies, but he has no patience with conspiracy theorists and
idealists, like the German Green Party member who concluded in
a European Union report on Echelon and its dangers that secret
services cannot be controlled, and "must therefore be
abolished."

Mr. Keefe seems almost as nave, though, when he notes, in
astonishment, that the National Security Agency does not
publish a list of its employees, and that they are not allowed
to write about their work in their diaries. Imagine that.

In the end, Mr. Keefe allows everyone involved in the debate
to have a say. He even gives equal time to a Defense
Department official who tells him, bluntly, "the only people
who think that intelligence wins wars - hot or cold - are
intelligence people." So much for chatter. And you should see
the phone bill.

CHATTER
Dispatches From the Secret World of Global Eavesdropping
By Patrick Radden Keefe
300 pages. Random House. $24.95.


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From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Mar  2 05:19:35 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:19:35 -0500
Subject: Electronic Anklets Track Asylum Seekers in U.S.
Message-ID: <p061104cbbe4b6d743e95@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4519090>

NPR :

Legal Affairs

Electronic Anklets Track Asylum Seekers in U.S.

 by Daniel Zwerdling
Audio for this story will be available at approx. 10:00 a.m. ET
  


Morning Edition, March 2, 2005 7  The Department of Homeland Security is
experimenting with a controversial new method to keep better track of
immigrants awaiting appeals on their applications to remain in the United
States. It is requiring aliens in eight cities to wear electronic monitors
24 hours a day.

 The ankle bracelets are the same monitors that some rapists and other
convicted criminals have to wear on parole. But the government's pilot
project is putting monitors on aliens who have never been accused of a
crime.

 So far, the Department of Homeland Security has put electronic monitors on
more than 1,700 immigrants. Victor Cerda, director of Detention and Removal
Operations at Homeland Security, says the anklets will help prevent tens of
thousands of immigrants who are ordered to leave the country each year from
"absconding" -- going into hiding to avoid deportation.

But critics say Cerda and other Homeland Security officials have
exaggerated the extent of the problem. They point to a Justice Department
study that put much of the blame on immigration officials, saying they'd
failed to keep adequate records to track illegal aliens.



Another Take on Ankle Monitors

 Sarah Barry fled Liberia's civil war in the early 1990s. She's now
awaiting a decision on her appeal of a government deportation order. Barry
says she's glad to be able to wear an ankle monitor. Hear why:
	 	Hear Sarah Barry
 

Alternatives to Anklets

 A three-year pilot program in New York City tested how supervision
affected immigrants' rates of appearance in court and compliance with court
rulings. The program found that supervision -- regular phone calls from
program workers, reminders about court dates, referrals to legal
representatives and other such measures -- is more cost effective than
detention and almost doubles the rate of compliance.
	 	Read the Vera Institute of Justice Report on Community Supervision
 


Related NPR Stories
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From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Mar  2 05:33:04 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:33:04 -0500
Subject: William F. Buckley: Death of a comic
Message-ID: <p061104cdbe4b70d80a00@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://www.townhall.com/columnists/wfbuckley/printwfb20050301.shtml>

Townhall.com

Death of a comic
William F. Buckley (back to web version) | Send

March 1, 2005

If what was before the house was just the formal news bulletin, a famous
person who had left Earth for other bournes, then OK, let him go with
conventional solemnities. I once attended funeral services at which the
rabbi didn't remember the name of the deceased, so that he mourned the
passage of Priscilla, remarking the good she had left behind in her
lifetime -- never mind that the lady who lay in the coffin was called Jane;
never mind, the incantations were generic.

 But Hunter Thompson would never be confused with anyone else, and when his
wife was led through the police cordon to his room, she reported to the
press that "he did it (fired the .45-caliber pistol) in his mouth," leaving
"his face beautiful. It was not grisly or gruesome by any means. He lived a
beautiful life."

 He didn't. What he did do was inspire devotional encomiums from people who
included blood relatives (my son), and superstar mentors (Tom Wolfe). Wolfe
spoke first of his stylistic achievements. He wrote "in a style and a voice
no one had ever heard before." And Wolfe found in Hunter's life an
originality perversely appealing. It was "one long barbaric yawp, to use
Whitman's term, of the drug-fueled freedom from and mockery of all
conventional proprieties." What he wrote was "'gonzo.' He was sui generis."
"In the l9th century Mark Twain was king of all the gonzo-writers. In the
20th century it was Hunter Thompson, whom I would nominate as the century's
greatest comic writer in the English language."

 Writing in The New York Sun, John Avlon spoke of Thompson's determination
"to puncture the pretenses of the powerful with ruthless humor, a loyalty
to deeper truth, and a hatred of hypocrisy. Beneath what could be called
amoral behavior there was in fact an inflexible moral code. The intensity
of his writing unsentimentally highlighted the real stakes of this life."
What deeper truths?

 Henry Allen of the Washington Post wrote that "People will forgive almost
anything of writers who can astonish them and make them laugh." What was
it, in Thompson, that we were forgiving? Is that question answered in
Allen's sentence that "despite his rants about the onanistic squalor of
journalism, (Thompson) had the bearing of an adventurer striding out to the
very edges of madness and menace"? Laughable stuff?

 Thompson had a gift for vitriol. All -- everything -- was subsumed in his
exercise of that art. Consider one entire paragraph on Richard Nixon. "For
years I've regarded (Nixon's) very existence as a monument to all the
rancid genes and broken chromosomes that corrupt the possibilities of the
American Dream; he was a foul caricature of himself, a man with no soul, no
inner convictions, with the integrity of a hyena and the style of a poison
toad. I couldn't imagine him laughing at anything except maybe a paraplegic
who wanted to vote Democratic but couldn't quite reach the lever on the
voting machine."

 We were asked to believe (by the San Francisco Chronicle) that in reading
Thompson we are reading the work of a hero of an entire generation of
American students. Concerning that claim a little skepticism is surely in
order. After all, an exhibitionist can be spectacular, and even lionized,
in the Animal Houses. Hunter Thompson elicited the same kind of admiration
one would feel for a streaker at Queen Victoria's funeral. Here is a
passage from Thompson, in which he seeks amusement by recounting the end of
a long day with a visiting British friend, identifying himself as "the
journalist":

 The journalist is driving, ignoring his passenger (the visiting Brit), who
is now nearly naked after taking off most of his clothing, which he holds
out the window, trying to wind-wash the Mace out of it. His eyes are bright
red and his face and chest are soaked with the beer he's been using to
rinse the awful chemical off his flesh. The front of his woolen trousers is
soaked with vomit; his body is racked with fits of coughing and wild
choking sobs. The journalist rams the big car through traffic and into a
spot in front of the terminal, then he reaches over to open the door on the
passenger's side and shoves the Englishman out, snarling: 'Bug off, you
worthless faggot! You twisted pig-(expletive deleted), all the way to
Bowling Green, you scum-sucking foreign geek.'

One can be sorry that Hunter Thompson died as he did, but not sorry,
surely, that he stopped writing.

William F. Buckley, Jr. is editor-at-large of National Review.
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From hal at finney.org  Wed Mar  2 10:40:39 2005
From: hal at finney.org (Hal Finney)
Date: Wed,  2 Mar 2005 10:40:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [FoRK] X.509 certificate collision via MD5 collisions (fwd
  from jeff@k2.com)
Message-ID: <20050302184039.D20DE57EE6@finney.org>

Eugen forwards from FoRK:
> >Colliding X.509 Certificates version 1.0
> >1st March 2005
> >Arjen Lenstra, Xiaoyun Wang, and Benne de Weger
> >
> >http://eprint.iacr.org/2005/067
> >
> >We announce a method for the construction of pairs of valid X.509
> >certificates in which the ?to be signed? parts form a collision for
> >the MD5 hash function. As a result the issuer signatures in the
> >certificates will be the same when the issuer uses MD5 as its hash
> >function.

The real news of the paper was the announcement that Wang's techniques
will be revealed this May at Eurocrypt.  I'm looking forward to finding
out what the secret is!  Presumably everyone will receive MD5 collision
finding software at around that time.

The cert collision is not a surprise, people anticipated this possibility
shortly after the MD5 collisions were announced.  And notice that Xiaoyun
Wang was an author of this paper; she was of course the lead author
on the original MD5 collision paper and presumably the originator of
the technique for finding MD5 collisions.  Using her technology it is
straightforward to do this kind of thing.  But no one else could have
written this paper at this time.

The only nontrivial part (given the remarkable ability to generate MD5
collisions) was arranging that both keys were valid RSA moduli with
known factors.  The did this by generating random bignums and trying to
factor them.

And keep in mind that her methods find random-ish collisions.  They don't
find matches to existing hashes, and (as far as we know) they don't
find structured collisions as would be necessary to get two certs with
different and plausible-sounding names in them.

>From what I've read (mostly http://eprint.iacr.org/2004/264), the way
these collisions are found is to start with analysis of the structure
of the hash, and decide on an XOR difference between the two inputs.
This implicitly makes certain assumptions about where and when carries
and other nonlinearities will occur in the hash calculation.  Then you
do a search for inputs which match that pattern of carries and for
which the pre-determined XOR difference yields an actual collision.
This doesn't give you much ability to control the content of the two
inputs that you create.

Hal




From jeff at k2.com  Wed Mar  2 08:02:42 2005
From: jeff at k2.com (Jeffrey Kay)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:02:42 -0500
Subject: [FoRK] X.509 certificate collision via MD5 collisions
Message-ID: <mailman.1189.1576007656.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

This is a pretty interesting paper -- worth reading.

>Colliding X.509 Certificates version 1.0
>1st March 2005
>Arjen Lenstra, Xiaoyun Wang, and Benne de Weger
>
>http://eprint.iacr.org/2005/067
>
>We announce a method for the construction of pairs of valid X.509
>certificates in which the ?to be signed? parts form a collision for
>the MD5 hash function. As a result the issuer signatures in the
>certificates will be the same when the issuer uses MD5 as its hash
>function.

It seems that the approach was to generate two RSA moduli that could be
swapped but still produce the same MD5, hence the same signature.
Another interesting question is whether, given an arbitrary modulus,
another can be generated that produces the same MD5.  It almost seems
like the same problem to me, so I must be missing something here.  The
attack isn't on the public key itself since the factors necessary to
generate the private key are still computationally hard to obtain but
rather on the content of the certificate.  The key assumption is that
the certificate is signed by a third party signer, which supplies the
public key for verification.

Even as posed, this is a pretty scary paper.  You could generate a
certificate with your legitimate content in it (distinguished name,
etc.), get that signed by a TTP and reuse that signature on another
certificate with content in it that masqueraded as someone else.  You
could also conceivable just recode parts of the certificate (such as
the length of issue) and be safe.  Since you generated the pair of keys
that causes this to happen, you could masquerade as anyone you wanted
as long as you got your initial certificate signed.

Pretty interesting attack.  Computationally intense in some areas, but
definitely a viable attack particularly against downloadable browser
plug-ins.  It reminds me of when Verisign signed a fraudulent Microsoft
certificate;  this attack makes that much more possible.  This attack
could end the usefulness of TTPs in many circumstances.

-- jeff

jeffrey kay
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From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Mar  2 08:35:25 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:35:25 -0500
Subject: 'Perfect storm' for new privacy laws?
Message-ID: <p06110410be4b9b8b0c33@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://news.com.com/2102-1029_3-5593225.html?tag=st.util.print>

CNET News
     http://www.news.com/


 'Perfect storm' for new privacy laws?

 By Robert Lemos
http://news.com.com/Perfect+storm+for+new+privacy+laws/2100-1029_3-5593225.html

 Story last modified Tue Mar 01 04:00:00 PST 2005



A series of security break-ins is kick-starting a political drive to
reshape federal laws that dictate how companies protect personal
information--and what they have to do if that data leaks out.

 What began with the leak of tens of thousands of records from data broker
ChoicePoint earlier this month was quickly compounded by a series of
rapid-fire incidents involving Bank of America, Science Applications
International Corp., an online payroll services company and the T-Mobile
Sidekick of hotel heiress Paris Hilton.

 That avalanche of high-profile breaches in the last month has captured the
attention of a growing number of U.S. senators, mainly Democrats, who have
called for new laws as a response. Sen. Arlen Specter has pledged to
convene hearings in his Judiciary committee, often an initial step in the
legislative process. An aide to the Pennsylvania Republican said Monday
that a hearing is being scheduled and is expected to be held soon.
 News.context

What's new:
 An avalanche of high-profile breaches in the last month has captured the
attention of a growing number of U.S. lawmakers.

 Bottom line:Advocates hope it will spur greater regulation of the shadowy
industry that creates digital dossiers on Americans.

 More stories on data theft

"Ten days after the ChoicePoint breach of personal data involving between
145,000 and 500,000 people was revealed, today another breach of data was
revealed, this time by loss," Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat,
said in response to Bank of America's admission that it had misplaced
backup tapes containing 1.2 million customer records. "These two instances
dramatize the need to take steps for the protection of an individual's
personal data. The Congress needs to address it."

 At the federal level, privacy laws tend to be created erratically, spurred
by one well-publicized emotional anecdote after another. Congress approved
the Video Privacy Protection Act in 1988 after a newspaper published
Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork's video rental records. The murder of
actress Rebecca Schaeffer, whose killer found her address through DMV
records, led to the Drivers Privacy Protection Act.

 Advocates of greater regulation are hoping the latest security breaches
will be just as politically potent. "I don't think Congress can ignore
what's happened," said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic
Privacy Information Center (EPIC) in Washington, D.C. "This may be the
first mass disclosure of personal information that triggers congressional
action."

 For ChoicePoint and similar data aggregators, including Acxiom and Westlaw
(a research service operated by Thomson West), the recent breaches could
hardly come at a worse time. The start of a new congressional session often
leaves politicians casting about for new issues, and a pair of recent books
has cast a critical light on the typically shadowy industry that creates
digital dossiers on Americans.

 The price of ChoicePoint shares have plummeted about 15 percent, from a
high of nearly $48 to around $40, since the scandal became public. Rival
Acxiom's shares also have suffered, and a Westlaw "People-Find" service
came under attack last week from Sen. Charles Schumer, Democrat of New York.

 An "Exxon Valdez of privacy"?
 "I don't think it's right to wait until there's an Exxon Valdez of
privacy," Sen. Ron Wyden, a Democrat from Oregon, said nearly five years
ago, back when Congress was more concerned with Web companies than data
brokers. Now that kind of privacy disaster finally has arrived, at least
according to congressional Democrats.

 One possible response from Congress would be an attempt to extend an
existing federal law, the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA), which deals
with credit-reporting agencies such as Equifax, to cover data-  aggregators
like ChoicePoint and Acxiom. "Records that look a lot like credit
reports--which is the basis of ChoicePoint and Acxiom's business
model--have escaped regulation," EPIC's Rotenberg said.

 Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida is readying legislation to revise
the FCRA, which Congress already altered last year. Earlier this month,
Nelson wrote to the Federal Trade Commission to ask for its help in
revising the FCRA "to reflect the modern information age, where consumer
information can be transmitted and assembled electronically and cheaply"
(PDF here).

 Data breaks

High-profile breaches are finally waking lawmakers up to the need to make
sure personal data is securely protected on computers.
ChoicePoint
Date: February 2005
Incident: Data collection company confirms that information from its
consumer database has been stolen.
At risk: Names, addresses and Social Security numbers of more than 150,000
Americans.
Bank of America
Date: February 2005
Incident: Bank loses backup tapes detailing the financial records of credit
cards held by federal employees.
At risk: More than 1.2 million records in SmartPay charge card program,
which has annual transactions totaling more than $21 billion.
PayMaxx
Date: February 2005
Incident: Flaws in the online W-2 service of PayMaxx expose customers'
payroll records.
At risk: Discoverer of the flaws claims they affect more than 25,000
people. PayMaxx says only a small number of companies is involved.
T-Mobile: Paris Hilton
Date: February 2005
Incident: Information from heiress Paris Hilton's Sidekick is posted
online. Breach comes amid reports that a flaw opens up T-Mobile voice mail.
 At risk: Phone numbers and e-mail addresses of celebrities such as Eminem
and Lindsay Lohan.
SAIC
Date: February 2005
Incident: Desktop computers are stolen from the offices of Science
Applications International Corp.
 At risk: Personal information of current and past stockholders in the
government contractor.
T-Mobile
Date: January 2005
Incident: The carrier admitted that a hacker had gained access to
customers' personal information.
At risk: Names and Social Security numbers of 400 T-Mobile subscribers.
George Mason University
Date: January 2005
Incident: Attackers broke into a server that held details used on identity
cards at the Virginia school.
At risk: Names, photos and Social Security numbers of more than 30,000
students, faculty and staff.
California Department of Social Services
Date: October 2004
Incident: Breach of a researcher's computer at the University of California
at Berkeley exposed personal data related to the state's In Home Support
Services.
At risk: Contact information and Social Security numbers of up to 1.4
million providers and clients.

Another approach would be to borrow from the principles underlying a
current California law. The Security Breach Information Act requires
companies to disclose incidents in which a California resident's
confidential information has been jeopardized. Feinstein introduced such a
bill in Congress in June 2003, but without any luck so far. The bill's
backers now hope that it will enjoy a wider appeal.

 Called the Notification of Risk to Personal Data Act, Feinstein's measure
says that any corporation, government agency or person generally must
provide a written or e-mailed notice if "unencrypted personal information
was, or is reasonably believed to have been, acquired by an unauthorized
person." State attorneys general would be authorized to file lawsuits
against suspected violators.

 "The consumer data industry has been in the sights of proregulatory
activists for some time now," said Jim Harper, director of information
policy at the free-market Cato Institute. "And the ChoicePoint debacle
could not have been a fatter, slower pitch across the plate."

 Harper is skeptical of federal proposals to create more regulations,
saying that state laws tend to be more effective and have fewer loopholes.
Instead, Harper advocates the use of tort law, under which private citizens
can sue alleged wrongdoers for damages, to provide an incentive for
data-marts to strengthen security. A California woman, Eileen Goldberg, did
just that earlier this month in a suit she filed against ChoicePoint, with
her claim that the company was negligent in protecting consumers from scam
artists who purchased data from it.

 Not all privacy disasters result in federal legislation. In the case of
Amy Boyer, a woman shot by a stalker who obtained her work address from an
online investigation service, Sen. Judd Gregg, a New Hampshire Republican,
responded by introducing a proposal called "Amy Boyer's Law." Gregg's
legislation, which would have restricted the disclosure of Social Security
numbers, eventually was attacked by both industry groups and by privacy
advocates who said it didn't go far enough. It did not become law.

 Business lobbyists already are preparing for a defensive battle. "We're
all concerned about data security, especially when you're talking about
sensitive information getting out," said Michael Zaneis, director of
congressional and public affairs at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. "We want
to make sure that we don't have any knee-jerk reactions leading to the
passage of quick legislation with unintended consequences."

 Another wrinkle in the political landscape is the growing reliance of
federal watchdogs, such as the Department of Homeland Security and the
Department of Justice, on identity-verification services purchased from
companies like ChoicePoint and Acxiom. That reliance may make the Bush
administration less willing to embrace aggressive regulation in the area.

 ChoicePoint declined to comment for this article, citing pending
litigation. However, in a statement posted to its site, the database
company stressed that it has entered discussions with other members of its
industry on how to minimize fraud, and has started re-verifying its
customers' credentials to weed out potentially fraudulent applicants.

 "We have already begun sharing our experiences, observations and ideas
with several of the other major corporations in our industry, and we will
seek to lead an industrywide initiative to develop, adopt and deploy new
measures that will identify and halt identity theft and fraud," ChoicePoint
said in the statement.

 In addition, ChoicePoint offered support for a broader national debate
that could include legislation to allow independent oversight and increased
accountability of entities that handle data, increased penalties for the
intentional misuse of personal information, and mandatory notification by
government and business of any unauthorized access to personal data.

 California as precedent?
 The current atmosphere at a national level is similar to the state of
affairs in California that led to the passage of the Security Breach
Information Act (S.B. 1386)--the law that recently forced ChoicePoint to
disclose the October breach.
 The ChoicePoint debacle could not have been a fatter, slower pitch across
the plate.
 --Jim Harper, director of information policy, the Cato Institute

 In April 2002, a hacker gained access to the state's Stephen P. Teale Data
Center, stealing the payroll information of California's more than 225,000
state employees, including legislators and their staff. The State
Controller's office discovered the breach in early May, but didn't notify
workers until May 25, leaving their financial identities open to misuse.

 Within four months, a bill authored by former state Sen. Stephen Peace and
then-Assemblyman Joseph Simitian had been signed by Gov. Gray Davis. The
bill took effect on July 1, 2003.

 Bank of America's recent admission that the company lost backup tapes with
as many as 1.2 million records could have similar scope as the Teale
breach, even though there is no evidence so far that the financial data has
been misused. The tapes contained information on the customers and accounts
of the U.S. government's SmartPay credit card program, which has more than
a 2.1 million cardholders and annual transactions totaling more than $21
billion, according to the General Services Administration.

 "There is a good chance we'll see some new regulations, especially because
the Bank of America incident hits closer to home--their (lawmakers')
information was included on the tapes that were lost," said Jordana Beebe,
communications director for the Privacy Rights Clearinghouse, a nonprofit
consumer group.

 If the industry does not lock down people's data, whether by legislative
mandate or by responding to customer concerns, business could suffer, said
Chris Voice, chief technology officer at security company Entrust.

 "It is becoming a matter of survival from a business perspective that if
your customers lose trust, they will go to someone who will guard their
information better," Voice said.

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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Mar  2 02:50:32 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:50:32 +0100
Subject: OS X in a Classified Environment... (fwd from
  bryan.jones@m.cc.utah.edu)
Message-ID: <20050302105032.GA13336@leitl.org>

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From jya at pipeline.com  Wed Mar  2 12:35:27 2005
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:35:27 -0800
Subject: [IP] Books -- The New Hows and Whys of Global  
  Eavesdropping (fwd from dave@farber.net)
In-Reply-To: <20050302123256.GP13336@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <E1D6Xq0-0004xm-00@barry.mail.mindspring.net>

Patrick Keefe is overly fond of disparaging "conspiracy"
targets, among them John Gilmore, Duncan Campbell,
Wayne Madsen, EPIC, EuroParl members, just about 
anyone who takes an balanced (!) view of governmental
and corporate malfeasance.

His book may not be TLA-sponsored but it could be read
as an apology for the agencies, despite his avowal of
concern for privacy in these days of overweening calls
for more security.

He repeats, and quotes other characters prattling, the 
formulaic mantra of how much privacy must be sacrificed 
for security, a sure sign that security will be favored and 
that privacy loss will be faux-regretfully mourned, a view
mighty supportive of the TLAs.

This tipping of the discourse toward more security at
the loss of privacy appears to be the raison d'etre of
the book -- not the only one since the security agencies 
went into a decline with the Cold War winddown, and
then re-surged after 9/11 -- but his is the first to argue
that Echelon and its new domestic offshoots may not 
be such a bad thing, both overseas and at home, and
that a public debate about them is overdue.

Keefe says of Cryptome: "The site is a good litmus test
for your attachment to freedom of speech." He is not 
happy about excessiveness of any kind.




From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Mar  2 09:56:18 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:56:18 -0500
Subject: Academics, artists back file-sharing firms before high court
Message-ID: <p0611042bbe4bae8c8078@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://www.the-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20050302&Category=APF&ArtNo=503020585&SectionCat=&Template=printart>


The Lexington Dispatch



Article published Mar 2, 2005
Academics, artists back file-sharing firms before high court

By ALEX VEIGA
AP Business Writer

 Several major technology companies, consumer groups and academics want the
U.S. Supreme Court to stay out of a long-running legal dispute between
online file-sharing firms and the entertainment industry.

Recording companies and Hollywood movie studios are appealing to the high
court to reverse lower court decisions that absolved Grokster Inc. and
StreamCast Networks of responsibility when their customers illegally swap
songs and movies using their software.

The tech firms and others argue that a court victory by the entertainment
companies would stifle innovation in the technology sector.

In briefs filed Tuesday, Grokster, StreamCast and their supporters urged
the court not to reinterpret the legal doctrine it established in the 1984
Sony Betamax case. At the time, the court ruled that Sony's video recorder
was legal because it had legitimate uses apart from making unauthorized
copies of movies and television shows.

The entertainment industry has asked the court to reconcile the 20-year-old
ruling to protect copyright holders it says are hard-pressed to safeguard
their intellectual property in today's digital and online world.

But such a move is exactly what the file-sharing firms and their supporters
hope to avoid.

"A rule like this will make it almost impossible for anyone to innovate or
create new products unless they have the blessing of the copyright
holders," said Grokster attorney Michael Page during a conference call with
reporters Tuesday. "And when the copyright holders also control the
distribution systems, that blessing will not be forthcoming."

A group of 17 computer science and engineering professors at nine
universities, including Harold Abelson of the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, Edward W. Felten of Princeton and David J. Farber of Carnegie
Mellon, stressed in their brief that they feared if the court sided with
the entertainment companies it could chill technological progress in
computers and the Internet.

"If this court should announce a more restrictive rule, those who create
the latest advances in technology will halt or significantly scale back
their work, for fear of massive copyright infringement damages," the
professors' brief asserts.

Four consumer and public-interest groups also weighed in, arguing that any
steps to change the Betamax doctrine would give Hollywood and other
copyright owners the power to censor information technology that ultimately
could benefit consumers.

Entertainment companies "would turn this into a surveillance society in
which every file is fingerprinted, every user is tagged, every transaction
is monitored," said Mark Cooper, a spokesman for the Consumer Federation of
America.

Others who filed briefs in support of Grokster and StreamCast included a
group of law professors, the National Association of Shareholder and
Consumer Attorneys, the National Venture Capital Association, Creative
Commons and trade groups representing technology companies such as Intel
Corp., Verizon Communications Inc. and Apple Computer Inc.

A brief by several telecom firms argues "only Congress has the
constitutional mandate and institutional capacity to address peer-to-peer
technology in a way that promotes the good and punishes the bad."

Intel also submitted a separate brief, where it argues that any changes to
the Sony Betamax decision would put the onus on it and other companies to
"anticipate the potential uses of their innovations ..." and then redesign
their technology to make sure it doesn't violate copyright laws.

That "would stifle innovation and dramatically increase the cost of such
technologies and of the consumer and enterprise products based on those
technologies," the company argued.

Several recording artists, conservative family groups, professional sports
leagues, state attorneys general from 39 states, the U.S. government,
university professors and online services that legally sell music or movies
have filed briefs in support of the entertainment industry.

The justices are scheduled to hear arguments in the case March 29.



-- 
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R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Mar  2 04:32:56 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:32:56 +0100
Subject: [IP] Books -- The New Hows and Whys of Global Eavesdropping
  (fwd from dave@farber.net)
Message-ID: <20050302123256.GP13336@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave at farber.net> -----


From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  2 12:04:33 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:04:33 -0500
Subject: [IP] Books -- The New Hows and Whys of Global Eavesdropping
  (fwd from  dave@farber.net)
In-Reply-To: <E1D6Xq0-0004xm-00@barry.mail.mindspring.net>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F6CCC333E35FF1D632ADFB9B5A0@phx.gbl>

>Keefe says of Cryptome: "The site is a good litmus test
>for your attachment to freedom of speech." He is not happy about 
>excessiveness of any kind.

"Attachment to freedom of speech"?

'NK'.

-TD




From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Mar  2 08:05:30 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:05:30 +0100
Subject: [FoRK] X.509 certificate collision via MD5 collisions (fwd from
  jeff@k2.com)
Message-ID: <20050302160529.GV13336@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Jeffrey Kay <jeff at k2.com> -----


From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Mar  2 14:25:04 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:25:04 -0500
Subject: China charges U.S. monopolizes the Internet, seeks global
  control
Message-ID: <p06110449be4bed8c44da@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/breaking2453432.0569444443.html>

World Tribune.com


 China charges U.S. monopolizes the Internet, seeks global control

 Special to World Tribune.com
EAST-ASIA-INTEL.COMWednesday, March 2, 2005

 China's ambassador to the United Nations last week called for
international controls on the Internet.

 Chinese Ambassador Sha Zukang told a UN conference that controls should be
multilateral, transparent and democratic, with the full involvement of
governments, the private sector, civil society and international
organizations.

 "It should ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate
access for all and ensure a stable and secure functioning," he said at the
conference on Internet governance.

 Sha said China opposes the "monopolization" of the Internet by one state,
a reference to the Untied States, which ultimately controls the digital
medium.



 "It is of crucial importance to conduct research on establishing a
multilateral governance mechanism that is more rational and just and more
conducive to the Internet development in a direction of stable, secure and
responsible functioning and more conducive to the continuous technological
innovation," he said.

 China's communist government fears the Internet would dilute Beijing's
control over its population, as information passes unfiltered throughout
the country and outside of strict government censorship.

 China strictly prohibits any public criticism of the ruling communist
party and closely monitors and censors Internet usage. Periodically,
Chinese security forces raid Internet cafes and arrest people who violate
Chinese rules.

 Sha said China has 94 million Internet users out of a worldwide total of
about 810 million.

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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From odlyzko at dtc.umn.edu  Wed Mar  2 21:20:58 2005
From: odlyzko at dtc.umn.edu (Andrew Odlyzko)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:20:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: FYI: paper about Metcalfe's Law
Message-ID: <mailman.1190.1576007656.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Dear Colleagues,

Sorry for the spam, but I thought you might be interested in the
paper described below.  Comments are invited.

Andrew




                     A refutation of Metcalfe's Law
                  and a better estimate for the value
               of networks and network interconnections


                            Andrew Odlyzko
                       Digital Technology Center
                        University of Minnesota
                            odlyzko at umn.edu


                            Benjamin Tilly
                       ben_tilly at operamail.com



                              Abstract

Metcalfe's Law states that the value of a communications network
is proportional to the square of the size of the network.  It is
widely accepted and frequently cited.  However, there are several
arguments that this rule is a significant overestimate.  (Therefore
Reed's Law is even more of an overestimate, since it says that the
value of a network grows exponentially, in the mathematical sense,
in network size.) This note presents several quantitative arguments
that suggest the value of a general communication network of size n
grows like n*log(n).  This growth rate is faster than the linear
growth, of order n, that, according to Sarnoff's Law, governs the
value of a broadcast network.  On the other hand, it is much slower
than the quadratic growth of Metcalfe's Law, and helps explain the
failure of the dot-com and telecom booms, as well as why network
interconnection (such as peering on the Internet) remains a
controversial issue.




                           FULL PAPER AT:

           http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/metcalfe.pdf

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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From rah at shipwright.com  Thu Mar  3 05:55:57 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:55:57 -0500
Subject: FYI: paper about Metcalfe's Law
Message-ID: <p0611047bbe4cc5f2fdbf@[68.167.57.91]>

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From bbrow07 at students.bbk.ac.uk  Thu Mar  3 03:52:59 2005
From: bbrow07 at students.bbk.ac.uk (ken)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 11:52:59 +0000
Subject: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp
In-Reply-To: <421366D1.9010802@systemics.com>
References: <E1D1HtE-0000IW-00@medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz>
  <421366D1.9010802@systemics.com>
Message-ID: <4226FA9B.10606@students.bbk.ac.uk>

> My view - as controversial as ever - is that the problem
> is unfixable, and mail will eventually fade away.  That
> which will take its place is p2p / IM / chat / SMS based.

Which are easier to spam and less secure than smtp.

SMTP is p2p by definition, though you can use servers if you want.

SMS  *IS* email , just a different kind of email - and a less 
secure, more expensive kind, in which the infrastructure is more 
in the hands of the large companies that run it and less 
accessible to users installing their own protections.


> In that world, it is still reasonable to build ones own IM
> system for the needs of ones own community, and not
> to have to worry about standards.  Which means one can
> build in the defences that are needed, when they are
> needed.

as we can for smtp

> Chat is already higher volume (I read somewhere) in
> raw quantity of messages sent than email.

I suspect you don't get much traffic. The beauty of a 
non-real-time store-and-forward system like smtp (or SMS, or 
oldstyle conferencing systems with off-line readers) is precisely 
that  it can be automated. I don't have to see mail I don't want.

> A fate for email is that as spam grows to take over more
> of the share of the shrinking pie, but consumes more of
> the bandwidth

A higher proportion of the snail-mail I get is junk than the 
email. In fact almost all of it is (& most of what isn't is bills 
:-( - usually already paid by the bank)  I throw more than half of 
my incoming paper mail in the bin unopened, and about half of what 
is left is just put in a cupboard in case I get into some dispute 
tithe the bank or the electric company or whoever.

A higher proportion of the landline phone calls I get are junk. At 
least 4 out of 5 calls, maybe 9 out of 10. Email is doing quite well.

 > the ISPs will start to charge people for
> email, and not for IM. 

Why should they charge more for qa service which is not only 
cheaper for them to run, but has more competition and is harder to 
subvert? A serious proportion of the rootkits and so on that have 
been plaguing us for the last few years involves chat & instant 
messaging & so on.  I'd block it at the boundary firewall. People 
who use it should just learn how to use mail.  They'd get through 
more. Chat is for functional illiterates. Learn to read at adult 
speed and you'll prefer mail. Why should they put up with being 
limited to someone else's typing speed?




From measl at mfn.org  Thu Mar  3 11:42:37 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:42:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: I'll show you mine if you show me, er, mine
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Peter Gutmann wrote:

> (Either this is a really bad idea or the details have been mangled by the
> Register).

No, it's just a really bad idea.  A small group of us looked at this a few
weeks ago when it was announced, and while none of us are professional
cryptographers, we all thought this was just, well, silly.

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From kmself at ix.netcom.com  Thu Mar  3 14:24:55 2005
From: kmself at ix.netcom.com (Karsten M. Self)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:24:55 -0800
Subject: [linux-elitists] Re: MCI boots send-safe (Register) -- adds a
Message-ID: <mailman.1191.1576007656.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

net
	of 11 more spam hosts
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on Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 12:05:48PM -0500, Aaron Sherman (ajs at ajs.com) wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 23:52, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > on Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 06:16:38PM -0500, Aaron Sherman (ajs at ajs.com)
wrote:
>
> > > Ok, I won't speak for Nick, but here's why I get all flustered about
> > > this kind of thing: I have this nervous tick that forces me to imagine
> > > how every "victory" in the war against X (drugs, spam, terrorism, you
> > > name it) will, in turn, be used against me in future.
> >
> [...]
> > I believe in a _balance_ of powers, a weighting on _merits_, and an
> > avoidance of _extremes_.  Large low-entropy pools are inherently
> > dangerous.
>
> Interesting. I would not have thought to phrase it that way, but it's a
> fair point.

Thank you.


> > _Those_ are the particulars of _this_ case.
>
> Yep, and I'm glad they've been booted, and I was over-reacting as a
> result of a mis-reading. However, I defend the reaction in that, had the
> root servers (or some subset) taken such unilateral action, I think it
> would have been wildly inappropriate and would have set a frightening
> precedent.

The root servers situation is interesting and unclear.  I haven't been
referring to it.

That said:  if someone thumbs their nose at the world sufficiently long
and hard, they shouldn't be too suprised to find the world thumbing
back.  Unconstrained, this does lead to breakdowns and opportunities for
abuse (Joe-jobs, reputation trashing).  I can't deny feeling a sense of
karmic justice, however.


> I know you may have come away from the previous discussion with the
> sense that I have a desire to defend send-safe, but I assure you that
> nothing could be farther from the truth. My feeling on the MCI policy
> issue is that, worst-case, they should have amended their rules,
> refunded send-safe's money and terminated the contract long ago.

s/refunded.*money//

...particulary in the face of an AUP denying network abuse, spamming,
etc.  Send-safe were likely skating under the rules and were taking an
overt business risk in doing so.


> I do want to point out, though, that this means financial hardship for
> MCI,

...my heart bleeds....

> which implies that some other company is going to be able to step
> in to this market and make money by supporting the send-safes of the
> world... get ready for the next phase of spam growth: the large,
> international corporation that owns several ISPs and is entirely willing
> to mix large pools of legitimate users, servers and networks in with
> their spam services.

Welcome to 1999, Aaron.

Large ISPs have been doing this for years.  Its one of the direct
motives behind SPEWS.  While emission-specific blocklists (SBL/XBL,
SpamCop, etc.) track spam by source:

    SPEWS maintains a list of known spam sources and spam friendly hosts
    so that e-mail can be rejected from these problem sites.
    http://www.spews.org/

Track NANAE for a week and you'll see a litany of sob stories:  "my IP
is blocked by SPEWS, please delist me".  No, your _hosting provider_ is
listed by SPEWS.  _They_ need to clean up their act.


> You're going to NEED a real reputation system sometime soon, or spam
> WILL become even more unmanageable than it is today.

If you think IPV4 is bad, try IPV6.

That's among the reasons I'm strongly promoting ASN/CIDR tracking:  IPV6
aggregates that much more.  Still, it's going to be problematic.

There's the corrolary aspect that ever more traffic is going to be IP
based.  Currently it's email, web services, chat, and the like.  Moving
forward, it's going to be phone, IM, SMS, and more.

What do you think the mean time between rings for, say, a high-score
socioeconomic class areacode (202, 212, 415, 650, 312, 818) will be
where long distance is free and Choicepoint household data floats freely
on the Dark Net?  And you _don't_ have realtime content/context data to
filter in realtime audio.

As for reputation systems:  yeah, look at Senderbase / Iron Mountain.  I
see big things for them, particularly if they've got _any_ brains.



> > > What if the complaints start originating from the MPAA or the US
> > > government or the IMF or spammers?
> >
> > I don't particularly care where a complaint originates from.  I _do_
> > care that the complaint is legitimate and valid.
>
> Also fair. I wonder though who writes the spec on those two terms?

How about we judge based on community outrage ;-)


> > > We're forcing them to evolve or die... what happens when that
> > > evolution involves buying a very large ISP? Do we shut off half
> > > the world or come up with a better plan?
> >
> > Do you connect your sewer mains to your spigots or your drains,
> > Aaron?  That's really a no-brainer.
>
> > So yes:  if a large portion of the Net turns black, well, it turns
> > black more ways than one.
>
> Your points about ASN/CIDR identification are good, but this last
> statement bothers me. Plus, IPs are a poor metric. As we all know they
> are ephemeral.

I've had this discussion in the past week.

IP ownership is ephemeral, particularly in dialup / dynamic access.

ASN assignment is markedly less so, though they also change over time.

What's markedly _less_ ephemeral are private blocklists.  Remember, the
public DNSBLs are just the visible tip of the iceberg.  Private,
site-specific lists, and dark lists, passed among friends and
associates, but not made generally public, are legion.  I used one such,
with 65K+ domains, as part of my web content filtering for a youth
center tech lab.

Getting on and off public DNSBLs is _relatively_ sane.  The lists have
to be accountable to their users, and not violate either stated policy
or useful effects too greatly, or they lose following.  Within a private
site, both usage patterns and propriety mean that once on, getting off a
list is at best iffy.

The result is that network abuse leads to a continuous erosion of useful
IPs.  Rotating abusive activity through a large block merely
accelerates that process *and* provides a useful behavioral pattern
identifying black-hat providers.


> We *NEED* a reputation system that's based on strong encryption.

Encryption without authentication _and_ reputation data is useless.

The response time of such a system may be infeasible.

And systems with weak authentication may work well:  honeypots, web
content, and other abuse monitors identifying specific IPs of interest.
A watch that extends to a sensible range (say, a /24 initially, broader
based on other heuristics).  Local management of such lists means that
defenses are continuously adapted to conditions.  Hardwired whitelists
for criticial contacts to avoid friendly fire losses.  Hard-fail
conditions to provide feedback to those who are inadvertantly blocked.

It's not an ideal system.  It's probably a 95% solution.  And it doesn't
rely on encryption at all.

Sure:  encryption and PKI are useful.  I use and advocate their use.
Uptake remains limited.  And in large-volume processing, it's expensive.

That said:  opportunistic authentication _should_ be used and favored
where it exists.

> We have all of the tools (SMTP/TLS + CAs + DNS), we just need a single
> protocol that at least a few large players agree to use that connects
> them. Once that's in place, we could END spam.

Yeah, sure.  You want to split the profits?

Since when do you trust CAs to identify nonspammers?  What's this
protocol you're talking about?  How does it extend past email to _other_
forms of abuse?  I see a handwave and "Profit!".  I don't see a workable
system yet.  Care to expand?


> Sure, there would be trade in stolen keys, but a decent system would
> adapt (via the same mechanisms as DNSBLs) and repair quickly enough
> that using a key would result in a return on investment insufficient
> to warrant the effort in stealing it.

Y'know, key repudiation _remains_ one of the weak points of current PKI.
And the number of SSL sites lacking valid, authoritative, or other than
non-self-signed keys is large.  Plus the whole level of intermediation
through browsers leads to _many_ user education issues.

> New players who want to establish a rep would have to be "introduced" or
> suffer most of their mail being black-holed until a sufficient
> reputation had been established (perhaps years)

How long does it take you to make friends?

How long does it take you to _really_ trust someone?

If there's such a reputation system, I'd like it to offer two features:

  - Love at first sight:  the ability to decide, quickly, that yes, you
    pretty much do trust someone rather highly.

  - Disowning:  Ok, so you've changed your mind (or have sufficient
    experience that you really ought to) about this relationship.  Can
    you get a divorce?

When I designed the K5 moderation and mojo systems, I built in two
features:

  - Moderation should quickly reflect initial experiences.  The first
    moderation counts most.  Subsequent mods _can_ change the overall
    score, but it takes a lot of 'em to do much shifting.  After a time,
    the message moderation tends to stabilize.

  - Mojo should weight recent activity.  If someone's been long-term
    trustworthy, but suddenly gets all wiggly, three-year-old rep
    _really_ shouldn't count that much.



> but let's face it: if you're deploying your own mail server then one
> of the following is going to be true:
>
>       * Your up-stream ISP approves and will vouch for you as a customer
>         who is under certain contractual obligations (not a guarantee of
>         validity, but a starting point)
>       * You know someone who trusts you and is willing to sign your key
>         (risking their own reputation).
>       * You are sending to a fair number of specific individuals who
>         will white-list you, slowly building your reputation.

Under the scheme I envision, your relationship _largely_ is of concern
to those with whom you're doing business.

Basically:  behave yourself the first time you come around.  Eventually,
you'll be considered a member of the family.  Or at least given a
neighborly greeting.

Fortunately, most spammers currently exhibit such flagrant disregard for
_any_ social niceties that you can write them off quickly.

> Built properly, such a system would account for differing "opinions"
> (e.g. many small businessmen in Russia seem to trust each other, even
> though the rest of the world thinks they're evil... that's fine, they
> have their view, we have ours). This is easily accomplished by doing
> roughly what DNSBLs do: centering each origin of trust on a domain name,
> and allowing any domain name to originate a new root of trust at any
> time.

Sounds complicated and my brain's not wrapping around this well ATM.

There is the fundamental problem of trust transitivity.  OTOH, if you
use a weighting system in which you simply _correlate_ others' opinions
with your own, you don't have to worry about agreement, you only need
concern yourself with predictive value.  That chap with whom you have
_no_ common tastes is a perfect predictor:  corrolation is -1.  The
useless data is the person with whom you're aligned half the time,
corrolation 0.

Authentication here is useful in that you're reasonably assured that the
reputation is the one you think it is.  Beyond that, you don't really
need to trust it.

> Nice things about this system are: the SPF problem goes away. You don't
> care who initially started the chain, only who delivered it to your
> front door. They have the power to vouch for bad-guys, but it will nuke
> their rep. Your own relays would have a level of trust that puts your
> central delivery host into a slave mode, so no reputation updates would
> be performed (preventing your central MTA from harming your relay's
> reputation when it passes you spam, and also reducing overhead).

Right.

I think I get at this somewhat more trivially with a proportionate
rejection scheme:

  - Accept the first mail from a new source.

  - Rank that mail for spamminess.

  - Rinse, wash, repeat for some reasonable sample, over some aggregated
    netblock.  You're going to find you're getting some proportion of
    spam vs. ham for that block.

  - Toss in curves for behavior:  is the peer doing a dictionary attack
    on your space?  Do they ignore temporary rejects, or not follow
    traditional retry intervals?  Score goes down.

  - Based on the ratio of spam/ham coming from the site, at whatever
    granularity gives you a good statistical sample, say 10-30 datapoints
    per defined time period, where a week to a month should be more than
    sufficient, issue your own randomly assigned accept / reject
    responses.

  - Season to taste.


> This might be rocket science, but it's not HARD rocket science.

To the contrary, it's cooking with spam.


Peace.

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From pcw at flyzone.com  Thu Mar  3 13:05:44 2005
From: pcw at flyzone.com (Peter Wayner)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:05:44 -0500
Subject: bounty for errors in _Translucent Databases_
Message-ID: <mailman.1192.1576007656.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


To: All readers of Translucent Databases.

I'm starting work on the second edition of  _Translucent Databases_. To
help eliminate errors, I'm quadrupling the bounty for error reports to
$20 per error. I may also pay for suggestions for improving it, but
that's harder to codify.

For info on the book, see this website:

http://www.wayner.org/books/td/

The only rules are designed to prevent people from using this offer to
print money: only the first person to report each error gets $20. I
reserve the right to relax this rule to pay multiple people who don't
seem to be colluding. I get to decide what constitutes an technical
error and how big an error might be. For instance, if I screwed up and
listing pi=3.41592..., I get to decide that this is only one error.
It's not an infinite set of errors because the first digit after the
decimal point is not 4, the second digit is not 1, the third digit is
not 5, etc. Also, non-technical errors don't qualify, although I'm
grateful to get them.

To see previously reported errors:

http://www.wayner.org/books/td/errors.php

I promise to try to apply these rules as generously as possible.

-Peter

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From rah at shipwright.com  Thu Mar  3 13:12:45 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:12:45 -0500
Subject: Build your TV!
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<http://www.sfbg.com/39/22/cover_fcc.html>

San Francisco Bay Guardian News

  THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY
Mar. 2 - Mar. 8, 2005* Vol. 39, No. 22


 Build your TV!
As the FCC and the entertainment biz get ready to end home recording as we
know it, a bunch of radical geeks are working on a solution or two.

By Annalee Newitz

'ALL I WANT  is to make a high-definition copy of Buffy the Vampire Slayer,
save it on a DVD, and loan it to my friend," says Sarah Brydon, looking up
from a long table covered with half-built computers. These sound like the
words of a science fiction nerd, not a revolutionary. But Brydon is a new
breed of protester - and she's expressing her discontent with the U.S.
government by building a television.

 She's one of a dozen consumer activists who have gathered on a Saturday
morning in late January for a high-definition television "Build-In" at the
Mission District office of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (where I
work). Part computer hardware nerdfest, part hell-raising political action,
the Build-In is a high-tech protest of a new Federal Communications
Commission regulation called the "Broadcast Flag."

 According to the FCC, the flag is going to ease the nation's transition
from today's analog televisions to tomorrow's high-definition televisions.
What exactly does it mean for a government agency to "ease" the transition
from one kind of TV signal to another? In this case, it seems to mean
making the entertainment industry feel very warm and fuzzy inside.

 The Broadcast Flag is designed - poorly - to stop people from putting
high-quality recordings of TV shows on popular file-sharing networks like
BitTorrent. In reality, it will give the government an unprecedented amount
of control over what we do in our own homes with recordings of HDTV. The
flag is supposed to stop mass copying and infringement, but it will also
stop most consumers from perfectly legal activities like saving HD copies
of shows for personal use.

 Past generations of media activists protested government and industry
control of TV content. They battled FCC censorship, denounced market grabs
by massive content conglomerates like News Corp., whose bland, mainstream
programming turned a diverse media landscape into The O'Reilly Factor and
7th Heaven reruns. Those activists nourished independent TV content on
local cable access channels, where they could talk openly about radical
politics or get naked on a whim.

 Now the Broadcast Flag has alerted a new group of media guerrillas to
another way in which government and industry control pop culture: by
locking down the devices that receive, copy, and remix broadcast signals.
And these activists are responding by building independent technologies
that don't bend to the will of the FCC or MGM.

 The televisions created at the Build-In are also computers, and they
contain a TiVo-like device called a personal video recorder (PVR) - you can
use them to pause a show, record it, sample it, and even save a copy to
DVD. Using the TV she builds today, Brydon won't have any trouble loaning
her friend a copy of Buffy.

The television liberation front

By noon every surface in the EFF office is covered with computer guts:
multicolored ethernet cables lie in snarled piles all over the floor, hard
drives occupy precarious positions near half-eaten bagels, TV antennae poke
into the air, and exposed circuit boards are tenuously connected to
monitors whose output isn't always good. These TVs are going to rock, but
getting the software running perfectly is a pain in the ass.

 Celebrated consumer gadget blogger Phillip Torrone is bouncing around the
room, interviewing everybody with his iPod for a Podcast about building
televisions. He's flown down from Seattle just for the Build-In. "Tell me
about this machine!" he says excitedly, thrusting the little white device
at audiovisual geek Gregor Menasian, who has packed the last bit of open
space with a computer full of extremely sweet components: quiet fan,
capacious hard drive, fast CPU.

 As the two of them talk, EFF special projects coordinator and attorney
Wendy Seltzer snaps photos of an error message on Menasian's monitor.
Seltzer, who helped organize the Build-In, wants to be sure that accurate
reports of glitches go to the hackers who wrote the software everybody's
using today to turn their computers into HDTVs with built-in PVRs. Called
MythTV, it's named for the "mythical convergence box" gadget-crazy
futurists often predict will finally combine TVs, DVD players, Web
browsing, and stereos in one simple machine.

 What has galvanized this group - made up of TV fans, civil liberties
activists, and politically minded hackers - is outrage at what the
Broadcast Flag will do to the future of innovative, crazy-dream devices
like MythTV. After the mandate goes into effect July 1, it will be illegal
for anyone in the United States to manufacture a device that records
high-definition television unless it's built to obey a special signal - the
flag - emitted by stations broadcasting HD shows. The flag will tell PVRs
and other equipment whether they're allowed to copy a show onto some other
medium, like a DVD. In short, broadcasters and content owners will actually
be able to control your recording habits.

 Let's say, for example, that it's a couple of years from now, and your
TiVo (bought anytime after July 1 of this year) has recorded the excellent
Marx brothers movie Animal Crackers, which was just broadcast on TNT in HD.
Tomorrow you're getting on a plane to Australia, and you'd like to save a
copy on DVD to watch on your computer during the 15-hour flight.

 You're entitled to make a personal copy under federal copyright law, so it
should be no problem. And in fact, it was no problem back in the days of
analog broadcasts and VCRs. But with the Broadcast Flag in place, TNT can
send out a signal that tells your TiVo not to make HD copies of Animal
Crackers. So when you burn that DVD and put it into your computer somewhere
over the Pacific, you get a bunch of garbage. The FCC has just stolen your
rights.

 Think of it this way: if the Broadcast Flag applied to VCRs, it would, in
effect, allow you to tape shows but not necessarily take the tape out of
the VCR. And you'd likely be forced to erase your show in order to tape the
next thing.

 Certainly there may be broadcasting companies  that refuse to send out the
flag, or that send out a flag saying "go right ahead and copy this." But a
company like Paramount, which owns the rights to Star Trek, is unlikely to
allow them to do so, for fear that letting people make copies will undercut
its ability to sell syndication rights to Spike TV and UPN. Networks like
CBS aren't going to want to let their shows out of the box either - they
don't want to lose control of their intellectual property. For years we've
taken for granted our ability to record television programs to enjoy weeks
or even years later. Now that we have a chance to get extremely
high-quality, HD broadcasts, the FCC is trying to take our HD media
libraries away from us.

 Why would it do this, especially given that it has received absolutely no
mandate from Congress? Basically, the agency succumbed to pressure from
Hollywood. Entertainment companies figure that as long as the copies
available online are of a lower quality than what's on TV, the broadcasters
have a leg up on downloaders. But instead of relying on the law to stop
people from infringing copyrights, these companies lobbied the FCC to take
control of the marketplace and force vendors to sell machines that make all
forms of copying effectively impossible. If your super-excellent HD copy of
CSI can't get out of the TiVo box, then you can't stick it online and break
the law. Too bad you can't do what the law permits either.

 Even more disturbing, the Broadcast Flag mandates that recording devices
be "robust against user modification." In plain language, that means
consumers can't repair, tinker with, or optimize their own machines. What's
more, it will also become impossible for small, upstart technology
companies to break into the consumer electronics market for TV recorders.
If they can't take apart the devices that output the HD signal, they can't
build cool new devices to play with that signal.

 Which also means that the devices people are using at today's Build-In
will be illegal in four months.

 The government-entertainment industrial complex

"I don't care about TV, and I don't watch it," says Build-In organizer
Seltzer, who's been fine-tuning her MythTV box for several months, coaxing
better and better performance out of it. "I'm concerned with the Broadcast
Flag because it could be the first step in a new kind of technology
regulation" - a precedent-setting moment in which one government agency
takes control of the high-tech marketplace, allowing only certain companies
to manufacture devices outputting the HD signal. It seems a dangerous
direction to be heading in.

 For now, consumers may not realize the immense impact of the Broadcast
Flag - the big content owners and the FCC are being pretty foxy about it.
Even after the Broadcast Flag goes into effect, you'll still be able to
make low-quality copies with your VCR. Most televisions are still receiving
and outputting analog signals. The full impact of the flag won't be felt
for several years, when most broadcasts are in HD and most people have
chucked their VCRs. Suddenly you'll find out that the DVD player you bought
last year can't play HD programs you burned from your new TiVo. Sound
confusing or hard to imagine? That's precisely the point - the FCC is
counting on your not being able to figure it out until it's much too late.

 Over the next decade, HD is going to become the standard signal - most new
TVs will be able to tune it, and free-to-air networks like ABC, CBS, and
Fox are going to move to HD broadcasting. So will cable. Most networks
already make some shows available in HD - CSI, most sports events, some PBS
shows, like The Desert Speaks.

If your current TV receives HD, you'll know it - the quality is so much
better it's almost scary. A traditional analog TV creates its picture out
of 480 interlaced lines on your screen, while a typical HDTV creates the
same picture using 1,080 interlaced lines. Those extra lines mean more
detail, more intense color, and an eerie sense that the picture on your
screen is literally the same quality you'd get if you were watching
something with your own eyes.

 The FCC is acting now to shut down what you can do with this amazing
quality because once consumers have something (the way they've long had
VCRs that record TV), it's harder to take it away. As long as what's being
taken away is something "in the future," it's hard to feel like you're
losing. But of course you are.

 For a perfect example of how you'll feel this loss, consider the DVD
player. Ever wonder why there have been no new nifty gadgets you can use
with your DVD player for at least 10 years? Seems strange, doesn't it? I
mean, think of how many new hoozits and zoomies have been invented for your
computer in the past decade. Given the rate of invention in this country,
shouldn't DVDs be making breakfast for you by now?

 There's one simple reason they aren't. A coalition of companies from the
entertainment, consumer electronics, and computer industries got together
in 1999 and formed a group called the DVD Copy Control Association, which
enforces a strict standard on all devices that can play DVDs. Anyone who
develops such a product must comply with the CCA's standards, which include
forcing it to place copy protections on any copies made of a DVD. Those
protections mean you can only play the DVD in "approved" devices, such as a
Sony DVD player or a Microsoft Media Player. It means you can't run the DVD
through a mixing board to make a video collage, or create a tiny digital
copy of it to play in your cell phone when you're bored on the bus.

 Just a few weeks ago, a company called Kaleidescape was sued by the CCA
for having the audacity to invent something it called a DVD jukebox - a
cool device that could hold dozens of movies ripped from DVDs and output
them to as many TVs or computers as the user liked. It was sort of like an
iPod for movies, except several people could watch the movies in the same
house at the same time if they wanted. At $27,000, the DVD jukebox is a
very high-end toy. Kaleidescape execs say it's ideal for somebody who wants
to make his or her DVD collection available to people in multiple rooms all
over a large house (like, say, Steve Jobs's).

 CCA sued Kaleidescape on the grounds that the jukebox promoted piracy,
despite the fact that the recordings in it were made from legitimately
purchased DVDs and that copies couldn't be removed for distribution
elsewhere. The industry group wanted Kaleidescape to rebuild it so that
viewers had to insert the DVD they were watching to prove they actually
owned it. Of course, that would defeat the whole purpose of a jukebox. It
would be nothing more than a very expensive DVD player.

 And that pretty much sums up why the DVD player you bought in 1995 isn't
much different from the one you'll buy tomorrow. This is a situation that
sucks for the consumer and sucks for the small-business owner or innovator
who wants to bring his or her ideas to market.

 The Broadcast Flag will create a cartel similar to the CCA, only this time
the government will be directly involved. Instead of the CCA launching a
civil suit against somebody for making a noncompliant device, under the
Broadcast Flag the government will be able to fine that person or stop him
or her from selling the product. This will allow big media companies like
MGM, Sony, and Paramount to get what they want - total control of how you
watch television - without having to get their hands dirty.

 Already, small-business owners like Jack Kelliher - who runs a tiny
computer hobbyist company called pcHDTV - are being forced to change their
business strategies to survive the flag. A longtime hardware hacker and
entrepreneur, Kelliher sells a computer component called a PC card that
lets computers tune in HD signals like a television (people at the Build-In
used his cards to turn their computers into TVs). "We wanted to do
something for hobbyists who wanted to build their own HD systems," he tells
me by phone from his office in Utah. "But then the FCC did their embargo,
and the rule means we can't offer the product next year."

 He and his partners are scrambling to come up with other (legal) products
to sell next year, in order to make ends meet. Among other things, they're
creating a computer card that will receive TV signals and output them to
analog devices that aren't affected by the Broadcast Flag. "This whole
thing bothers me because I come from an era when we built radios in high
school and stuff like that," Kelliher says. "Being able to build your own
TV seems really American to me. It's sad that the government wants to halt
innovation - it's just un-American."

 Another innovator whose brainchild will be seriously affected by the flag
is Isaac Richards, the Ohio-based lead developer of MythTV, the program the
Build-In participants are using to make their computers act like PVRs.
MythTV interacts with a PC card like Kelliher's, then displays TV shows on
your monitor. It also records and stores shows, movies, and music, and it
can even be set up to display the weather for your area (scraped from the
Weather Channel) and bring you the latest news from your favorite blogs.
It's not much different from TiVo - except that it's free and it isn't
authorized by the FCC.

 Like many inventors, Richards started his project because he wasn't
satisfied with what was commercially available. "I wanted a TiVo, but it
was limited," he says. "And the concept was simple: you just record TV and
play it back."

 Since Richards released the first version of MythTV on the Net two years
ago, the program has become quite popular: nearly 100,000 people downloaded
the last release. And part of what makes MythTV such a seductive package is
the fact that it's entirely open: anyone can add to it. It's the
diametrical opposite of a DVD player, whose every element must be reviewed
and approved by an industry cartel.

 In general, people are using MythTV to watch analog TV. But when HD
becomes the standard, MythTV's development may face stagnation. As analog
becomes an obsolete format, MythTV will also become obsolete. People can
build their own analog TVs, but they won't be able to build their own
HDTVs. And thus there's no chance an upstart young innovator like Richards
will ever create a bigger, badder, cooler PVR for HDTV the way he did with
MythTV for analog.

 Looked at from this perspective, the Broadcast Flag isn't really a
deterrent against piracy so much as a deterrent against the big consumer
electronics companies losing market share to little guys with big ideas. As
long as it's illegal for people like Richards to tinker around with HD
components, nobody will ever invent something better than TiVo or Media
Player. It simply won't be possible to create new HD-related toys without a
fleet of expensive lawyers in tow.

 The Broadcast Flag is an unholy alliance of government, big entertainment,
and big electronics. Each is protecting the others' interests so that they
can maintain control over the marketplace. The only losers in the deal are
small entrepreneurs and consumers.

 Geeks and librarians unite

Hope is not lost - at least, not yet. Several public interest groups,
including Washington, D.C.-based Public Knowledge and the EFF, as well as
the American Library Association, are fighting the Broadcast Flag tooth and
nail. Librarians worry that limiting devices that can output HD may
interfere with future methods for distance learning and archiving. Public
Knowledge is concerned with the bigger picture. As executive director Gigi
Sohn puts it, "People who want to make fair use of copyrighted materials
won't be able to do it." In other words, no personal copy of Animal
Crackers to make the flight to Australia less arduous.

 Last week, a D.C. appeals court heard oral arguments in ALA v. FCC, the
lawsuit these groups brought against the FCC, in which they argue that the
FCC overstepped its jurisdiction when it mandated the flag. "There is no
precedent for what the FCC did here," Sohn says. "Every time the FCC has
regulated devices, it's because Congress gave it the authority. But this
rule isn't based on any congressional mandate or even ancillary to a
provision in the Communications Act."

 Sohn, who was at the oral arguments, says the three-judge panel was very
persuaded by the merits of the case. All three acknowledged that the flag
seemed unnecessary to ease the nation's transition to HDTV - one even
remarked that this was as ridiculous as the FCC attempting to regulate
washing machines. Unfortunately, the case may hit a snag when it comes to
whether these groups actually have standing to bring the case. The court
seemed eager to have more concrete examples of how people would be harmed
by the mandate. "Of course, it's hard to come up with concrete examples
when the devices in question aren't even out yet," Sohn points out. And may
never be, given the flag rule's chilling effects.

 The EFF's Seltzer says the flag will create media fiefdoms, in which
consumers are locked into particular devices or sets of devices in order to
enjoy their media. It will be costly to buy a set of flag-compliant
consumer electronics that all work together - and even when you do,
recordings made in, say, a Sony machine won't be able to play in a
Microsoft one. Which is just one more reason why it's time to build your
own TV.

 Back at the Build-In, Seltzer and Brydon are jumping up and down and
shouting. "We've got TV!" Seltzer exults. Brydon can't stop grinning at her
monitor, where they've tuned in some local news. The picture is still a
little jerky - the software needs some tuning - but we've got our first
HDTV working. Best of all, it's a liberated TV - it isn't an "authorized
device," and it's not "broadcast flag compliant." It certainly isn't
"robust against user modification." But because it was built before the
July 1 start date of the Broadcast Flag rule, it's going to remain
perfectly legal. This TV will always be able to record HD shows and burn
them to DVDs for personal use. Next year, Brydon can loan her friends an
HD-quality copy of Battlestar Galactica if they missed it that week.

 Dale Kiefling, another Build-In participant, is almost ready to channel
surf on his box too. He and his friend Lorena Fleming say they're excited
to play around with TV the way they do with their computers. "I think the
Broadcast Flag punishes the wrong group," Kiefling says. "The people who do
mass piracy will always have the means to - the flag won't stop them.
Meanwhile, the rest of us are stuck with broken entertainment systems."

 All the people who now take for granted the act of removing a tape from
their VCR - the Star Trek fans, the OC addicts, the Marx brothers
aficionados - will gradually discover they can't do the same thing with
their new PVRs. Copyright law permits consumers to make personal, fair-use
copies of their media. And yet the government-entertainment industrial
complex will have engineered every device to stop them.

 "That's the worst part of all this," Fleming says. "People won't realize
how bad it is until suddenly their stuff stops working."

 Annalee Newitz is policy analyst at the Electronic Frontier Foundation and
a freelance writer. Get the gory details at www.techsploitation.com.


-- 
-----------------
R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From dan at doxpara.com  Thu Mar  3 16:43:21 2005
From: dan at doxpara.com (Dan Kaminsky)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:43:21 -0800
Subject: I'll show you mine if you show me, er, mine
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.61.0503031730220.378@frame>
References: <E1D3waI-0003TA-00@medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz>
  <Pine.SOL.4.61.0503031730220.378@frame>
Message-ID: <4227AF29.3090002@doxpara.com>

>The description has virtually nothing to do with the actual algorithm 
>proposed.  Follow the link in the article - http://www.stealth-attacks.info/ - 
>for an actual - if informal - description.
>  
>
There is no actual description publically available (there are three
completely different protocols described in the press).  I talked to the
author about this; he sent me a fourth, somewhat reasonable document. 
At *best*, this is something akin to SRP with the server constantly
proving its true nature with every character (yes, shoulder surfers get
to attack keys one at a time).  It could get pretty bad though, so
rather than support it or bash it, I'd just reserve judgement until it's
publically documented at Financial Crypto.

--Dan




From jerrold.leichter at smarts.com  Thu Mar  3 14:31:28 2005
From: jerrold.leichter at smarts.com (Jerrold Leichter)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:31:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: I'll show you mine if you show me, er, mine
In-Reply-To: <E1D3waI-0003TA-00@medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz>
References: <E1D3waI-0003TA-00@medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.61.0503031730220.378@frame>

| >Briefly, it works like this: point A transmits an encrypted message to point
| >B. Point B can decrypt this, if it knows the password. The decrypted text is
| >then sent back to point A, which can verify the decryption, and confirm that
| >point B really does know point A's password. Point A then sends the password
| >to point B to confirm that it really is point A, and knows its own password.
| 
| Isn't this a Crypto 101 mutual authentication mechanism (or at least a
| somewhat broken reinvention of such)?...

The description has virtually nothing to do with the actual algorithm 
proposed.  Follow the link in the article - http://www.stealth-attacks.info/ - 
for an actual - if informal - description.

							-- Jerry




From rah at shipwright.com  Thu Mar  3 14:57:28 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:57:28 -0500
Subject: With Terror in Mind, a Formulaic Way to Parse Sentences
Message-ID: <p061104eebe4d40c7c83d@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/03/technology/circuits/03next.html?8cir=&pagewanted=print&position=>

The New York Times

March 3, 2005
WHAT'S NEXT

With Terror in Mind, a Formulaic Way to Parse Sentences
 By NOAH SHACHTMAN


MAYBE sixth-grade English was more helpful than you thought. One of the
dullest grammar exercises is being used to help find potential terrorists,
and save companies a bundle.

Diagramming sentences - picking out subject, verb, object, adjective and
other parts of speech - has been a staple of middle and high school grammar
lessons for decades. Now, with financing from the Central Intelligence
Agency, a California firm is using the technique to comb through e-mail
messages and chat room talks, which can be a rich lode of corporate and
government information, and a tough one to mine.

 Figuring out the connections among people, places and things is something
computer algorithms do pretty well, as long as that information is
structured, or categorized and put into a database. Looking through a
company's customer file for a person named Bonds, for example, is fairly
simple.

 But if the data is unstructured - if the word "bonds" hasn't been
classified as the name of a ballplayer or as an investment option -
searching becomes much more difficult.

 For people in business or in public service, only 20 percent or so of
their information is kept in formal databases, noted Nick Patience, an
analyst with the 451 Group, a technology research firm. The rest is
unstructured, tucked away in e-mail messages, call logs, memos and instant
messages.

 Attensity, based in Palo Alto, Calif., and financed in part by In-Q-Tel,
the C.I.A.'s investment arm, has developed a method to parse electronic
documents almost instantly, and diagram all of the sentences inside.
("Moby-Dick," for instance, took all of nine and a half seconds.) By
labeling subjects and verbs and other parts of speech, Attensity's software
gives the documents a definable structure, a way to fit into a database.
And that helps turn day-to-day chatter into information that is relevant
and usable.

 "They take the language that people use every day and compile it in a way
that a machine can use," Mr. Patience said. "And that allows people to
start using this tremendous amount of intelligence which has gone untapped."

Whirlpool, the home appliance manufacturer, is now using Attensity software
to help cull information from the 400,000 customer service calls the
company receives each month.

 Tom Welke, a Whirlpool general manager, said the company realized it
needed help in March 2002, during a microwave oven recall. The machines
were arcing, producing electrical sparks, which caused the food inside to
smoke.

 Mr. Welke decided to pore through records of recent customer calls by
searching for the words "arcing" and "smoke." His team found 18,500 records
that matched. Six people then spent a weekend reading the results,
eventually coming up with 700 calls from customers potentially related to
the problem.

 As a comparison, Mr. Welke then ran the same records through a program
from Attensity, which had recently paid him a sales call.

"It could tell if the microwave was smoking or if the chicken was smoking
hot or if the customer was eating smoked chicken," he said. "It came up
with 542 instances in about 10 seconds."

Whirlpool is now spending a quarter-million dollars a year on Attensity's
expertise, joining companies like John Deere,  General Motors and
Honeywell as Attensity customers. But wringing profits out of unstructured
data for corporate America is only about 40 percent of the software maker's
business. The rest is in government work, for groups like the Federal
Bureau of Investigation, the National Security Agency and the Defense
Intelligence Agency.

 The software helps federal researchers look for clues to terrorist and
criminal activities in "the text from the dispatches from around the world,
the field reports, the newspaper articles and the chat rooms," said David
L. Bean, Attensity's co-founder.

 "The intelligence community has plenty of systems for doing six degrees of
separation, for putting two and two together," Dr. Bean said. "But they
need structured data in order to do it. We give them that structure."

 The intelligence agencies declined to discuss whether they use the
software. But Kris Alexander, a former intelligence analyst for the United
States military's Central Command, noted that "putting unstructured
information into anything that would organize it would be very helpful."

 "We have guys who can crack hard drives," Mr. Alexander said. "Getting the
information out is easy. The hard part is sharing it, and organizing it, so
that everybody in an agency, even nonexperts, can use it."

Attensity's algorithms can do more than get a document ready to categorize,
however. The software ferrets out meaning in sentences as they are being
diagramed. If the word "purchase" is used as a verb, the person doing the
buying is tagged as a possible customer. If the phrase "plastic explosive"
is used as an object, the subject is labeled as a potential enemy.

For now, though, Attensity works only with English. That is a weakness the
company's competitors in the world of structuring data are quick to point
out.

 Inxight Software, of Sunnyvale, Calif., for example, produces software
that turns grammatical relationships into mathematical formulas, allowing
it to parse documents in 31 languages. Intelliseek, of Cincinnati, plucks
entities - proper names and places - from blog entries as a way to
categorize them. The company's software will also characterize a document
as positive or negative based on the words it contains.

 Oracle and the other major database makers also build in some limited
functions for extracting information from unstructured texts. But those
systems usually rely on the person using it teaching the algorithms what
they need to know - that in a legal document, for example, "sued" and
"filed charges" are rough equivalents.

 With Attensity's software, that kind of instruction is often unnecessary.
"Attensity shows how the words all relate to one another - all the actors,
objects and actions in a document, and how they connect," said Gayle von
Eckartsberg, a spokeswoman for In-Q-Tel, which also provides financing for
Inxight and Intelliseek.

 Perfect sentences are not required for the software to work, said Dr.
Bean, the son of a high school English teacher. Instead of using strict
grammar laws, Attensity relies on constantly reapplying heuristics - rules
of thumb - to sort out subject from object. Dangling participles,
misspelled words and grammar-mangling slang can all be handled, allowing
Attensity to crunch Internet relay chats, instant messenger conversations
and other King's English refugees as easily as it would parse a textbook.

But that does not mean, Dr. Bean added, that students should stop doing
their grammar homework or paying attention in school.

-- 
-----------------
R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From rah at shipwright.com  Thu Mar  3 15:06:28 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:06:28 -0500
Subject: bounty for errors in _Translucent Databases_
Message-ID: <p061104f6be4d48caa8e1@[68.167.57.91]>

--- begin forwarded text



From justin-cypherpunks at soze.net  Thu Mar  3 12:35:58 2005
From: justin-cypherpunks at soze.net (Justin)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:35:58 +0000
Subject: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp
In-Reply-To: <4226FA9B.10606@students.bbk.ac.uk>
References: <E1D1HtE-0000IW-00@medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz>
  <421366D1.9010802@systemics.com> <4226FA9B.10606@students.bbk.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20050303203558.GA2170@arion.soze.net>

On 2005-03-03T11:52:59+0000, ken wrote:
> 
> >Chat is already higher volume (I read somewhere) in
> >raw quantity of messages sent than email.
> 
> I suspect you don't get much traffic. The beauty of a 
> non-real-time store-and-forward system like smtp (or SMS, or 
> oldstyle conferencing systems with off-line readers) is precisely 
> that  it can be automated. I don't have to see mail I don't want.

You don't have to see IMs you don't want, either.  You can refuse them
from people not on your buddy list.

> >A fate for email is that as spam grows to take over more
> >of the share of the shrinking pie, but consumes more of
> >the bandwidth
> 
> A higher proportion of the snail-mail I get is junk than the email.
> 
> A higher proportion of the landline phone calls I get are junk. At 
> least 4 out of 5 calls, maybe 9 out of 10. Email is doing quite well.

With 3 or 4 RBL blacklists, greylisting, and making sure senders don't
ehlo with my ip address, I don't even have to use dspam or Spamassassin
I get so little spam.

> A serious proportion of the rootkits and so on that have been plaguing
> us for the last few years involves chat & instant messaging & so on.
> I'd block it at the boundary firewall. People who use it should just
> learn how to use mail.  They'd get through more. Chat is for
> functional illiterates. Learn to read at adult speed and you'll prefer
> mail. Why should they put up with being limited to someone else's
> typing speed?

I don't think email will disappear either, but IM is good for 2-way
conversations.  Helping someone debug a problem via email gets tedious
very quickly.

Strangely enough, a good number of people I've talked to over the phone
have had their IQ drop by about 100 points when I start using a phonetic
alphabet to spell things.  I usually end up having to repeat the
phonetic spelling several times; it's really strange.  IM eliminates
that whole problem.  Unless communicating in a standard, often-spoken
language, phones lose their utility.

There's a place for both IM and email.  I agree, though, that IM may
suffer from a poor S/N ratio.

-- 
Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who
have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for
anything else thereafter.           --Hemingway, Esquire, April 1936




From WWhyte at ntru.com  Thu Mar  3 19:24:24 2005
From: WWhyte at ntru.com (Whyte, William)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:24:24 -0500 
Subject: I'll show you mine if you show me, er, mine
Message-ID: <30F37C4533D8564FB1D58BFDAF6687C10250B6ED@ohthree.jjj-i.com>

I haven't read the original paper, and I have a great deal of
respect for Markus Jakobsson. However, techniques that establish
that the parties share a weak secret without leaking that secret
have been around for years -- Bellovin and Merritt's DH-EKE,
David Jablon's SPEKE. And they don't require either party to
send the password itself at the end.

William

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pgut001 at cs.auckland.ac.nz [mailto:pgut001 at cs.auckland.ac.nz] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:30 AM
> To: cryptography at metzdowd.com; cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net; 
> rah at shipwright.com
> Subject: Re: I'll show you mine if you show me, er, mine
> 
> 
> "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com> forwarded:
> 
> >Briefly, it works like this: point A transmits an encrypted 
> message to point
> >B. Point B can decrypt this, if it knows the password. The 
> decrypted text is
> >then sent back to point A, which can verify the decryption, 
> and confirm that
> >point B really does know point A's password. Point A then 
> sends the password
> >to point B to confirm that it really is point A, and knows 
> its own password.
> 
> Isn't this a Crypto 101 mutual authentication mechanism (or at least a
> somewhat broken reinvention of such)?  If the exchange to 
> prove knowledge of
> the PW has already been performed, why does A need to send 
> the PW to B in the
> last step?  You either use timestamps to prove freshness or 
> add an extra
> message to exchange a nonce and then there's no need to send 
> the PW.  Also in
> the above B is acting as an oracle for password-guessing 
> attacks, so you don't
> send back the decrypted text but a recognisable-by-A 
> encrypted response, or
> garbage if you can't decrypt it, taking care to take the same 
> time whether you
> get a valid or invalid message to avoid timing attacks.  Blah 
> blah Kerberos
> blah blah done twenty years ago blah blah a'om bomb blah blah.
> 
> (Either this is a really bad idea or the details have been 
> mangled by the
> Register).
> 
> Peter.
> 
> 
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From rah at shipwright.com  Thu Mar  3 21:14:21 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:14:21 -0500
Subject: The coming crackdown on blogging
Message-ID: <p0611041dbe4d9ee4d779@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://news.com.com/2102-1028_3-5597079.html?tag=st.util.print>

CNET News
     http://www.news.com/


 The coming crackdown on blogging

 By Declan McCullagh

 Story last modified Thu Mar 03 04:00:00 PST 2005



Bradley Smith says that the freewheeling days of political blogging and
online punditry are over.

 In just a few months, he warns, bloggers and news organizations could risk
the wrath of the federal government if they improperly link to a campaign's
Web site. Even forwarding a political candidate's press release to a
mailing list, depending on the details, could be punished by fines.

 Smith should know. He's one of the six commissioners at the Federal
Election Commission, which is beginning the perilous process of extending a
controversial 2002 campaign finance law to the Internet.

 In 2002, the FEC exempted the Internet by a 4-2 vote, but U.S. District
Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly last fall overturned that decision. "The
commission's exclusion of Internet communications from the coordinated
communications regulation severely undermines" the campaign finance law's
purposes, Kollar-Kotelly wrote.

 Smith and the other two Republican commissioners wanted to appeal the
Internet-related sections. But because they couldn't get the three
Democrats to go along with them, what Smith describes as a "bizarre"
regulatory process now is under way.

 CNET News.com spoke with Smith about the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of
2002, better known as the McCain-Feingold law, and its forthcoming
extrusion onto the Internet.

 Q: What rules will apply to the Internet that did not before?
 A: The commission has generally been hands-off on the Internet. We've
said, "If you advertise on the Internet, that's an expenditure of
money--much like if you were advertising on television or the newspaper."
 Do we give bloggers the press exemption?

 The real question is: Would a link to a candidate's page be a problem? If
someone sets up a home page and links to their favorite politician, is that
a contribution? This is a big deal, if someone has already contributed the
legal maximum, or if they're at the disclosure threshold and additional
expenditures have to be disclosed under federal law.

 Certainly a lot of bloggers are very much out front. Do we give bloggers
the press exemption? If we don't give bloggers the press exemption, we have
the question of, do we extend this to online-only journals like CNET?

 How can the government place a value on a blog that praises some politician?
 How do we measure that? Design fees, that sort of thing? The FEC did an
advisory opinion in the late 1990s (in the Leo Smith case) that I don't
think we'd hold to today, saying that if you owned a computer, you'd have
to calculate what percentage of the computer cost and electricity went to
political advocacy.

 It seems absurd, but that's what the commission did. And that's the
direction Judge Kollar-Kotelly would have us move in. Line drawing is going
to be an inherently very difficult task. And then we'll be pushed to go
further. Why can this person do it, but not that person?

 How about a hyperlink? Is it worth a penny, or a dollar, to a campaign?
 I don't know. But I'll tell you this. One thing the commission has argued
over, debated, wrestled with, is how to value assistance to a campaign.

 Corporations aren't allowed to donate to campaigns. Suppose a corporation
devotes 20 minutes of a secretary's time and $30 in postage to sending out
letters for an executive. As a result, the campaign raises $35,000. Do we
value the violation on the amount of corporate resources actually spent,
maybe $40, or the $35,000 actually raised? The commission has usually taken
the view that we value it by the amount raised. It's still going to be
difficult to value the link, but the value of the link will go up very
quickly.

 Then what's the real impact of the judge's decision?
 The judge's decision is in no way limited to ads. She says that any
coordinated activity over the Internet would need to be regulated, as a
minimum. The problem with coordinated activity over the Internet is that it
will strike, as a minimum, Internet reporting services.

 They're exempt from regulation only because of the press exemption. But
people have been arguing that the Internet doesn't fit under the press
exemption. It becomes a really complex issue that would strike deep into
the heart of the Internet and the bloggers who are writing out there today.
(Editor's note: federal law limits the press exemption to a "broadcasting
station, newspaper, magazine or other periodical publication." )

 How do you see this playing out?
 There's sensitivity in the commission on this. But remember the
commission's decision to exempt the Internet only passed by a 4-2 vote.

 This time, we couldn't muster enough votes to appeal the judge's decision.
We appealed parts of her decision, but there were only three votes to
appeal the Internet part (and we needed four). There seem to be at least
three commissioners who like this.

 Then this is a partisan issue?
 Yes, it is at this time. But I always point out that partisan splits tend
to reflect ideology rather than party. I don't think the Democratic
commissioners are sitting around saying that the Internet is working to the
advantage of the Republicans.

 One of the reasons it's a good time to (fix this) now is you don't know
who's benefiting. Both the Democrats and Republicans used the Internet very
effectively in the last campaign.

What would you like to see happen?
 I'd like someone to say that unpaid activity over the Internet is not an
expenditure or contribution, or at least activity done by regular Internet
journals, to cover sites like CNET, Slate and Salon. Otherwise, it's very
likely that the Internet is going to be regulated, and the FEC and Congress
will be inundated with e-mails saying, "How dare you do this!"

 What happens next?
 It's going to be a battle, and if nobody in Congress is willing to stand
up and say, "Keep your hands off of this, and we'll change the statute to
make it clear," then I think grassroots Internet activity is in danger. The
impact would affect e-mail lists, especially if there's any sense that
they're done in coordination with the campaign. If I forward something from
the campaign to my personal list of several hundred people, which is a
great grassroots activity, that's what we're talking about having to look
at.

 Senators McCain and Feingold have argued that we have to regulate the
Internet, that we have to regulate e-mail. They sued us in court over this
and they won.

 If Congress doesn't change the law, what kind of activities will the FEC
have to target?
 We're talking about any decision by an individual to put a link (to a
political candidate) on their home page, set up a blog, send out mass
e-mails, any kind of activity that can be done on the Internet.

 Again, blogging could also get us into issues about online journals and
non-online journals. Why should CNET get an exemption but not an informal
blog? Why should Salon or Slate get an exemption? Should Nytimes.com and
Opinionjournal.com get an exemption but not online sites, just because the
newspapers have a print edition as well?

 Why wouldn't the news exemption cover bloggers and online media?
 Because the statute refers to periodicals or broadcast, and it's not clear
the Internet is either of those. Second, because there's no standard for
being a blogger, anyone can claim to be one, and we're back to the
deregulated Internet that the judge objected to. Also I think some of my
colleagues on the commission would be uncomfortable with that kind of
blanket exemption.

 So if you're using text that the campaign sends you, and you're
reproducing it on your blog or forwarding it to a mailing list, you could
be in trouble?
 Yes. In fact, the regulations are very specific that reproducing a
campaign's material is a reproduction for purpose of triggering the law.
That'll count as an expenditure that counts against campaign finance law.

 This is an incredible thicket. If someone else doesn't take action, for
instance in Congress, we're running a real possibility of serious Internet
regulation. It's going to be bizarre.

-- 
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R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From rah at shipwright.com  Fri Mar  4 05:29:37 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:29:37 -0500
Subject: Jeff Jacoby: An inglorious suicide
Message-ID: <p06110432be4e1169af49@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jeffjacoby/printjj20050304.shtml>

Townhall.com

An inglorious suicide
Jeff Jacoby (back to web version) | Send

March 4, 2005

Hunter Thompson's suicide was an act of selfishness and cruelty. But more
depraved by far has been the celebration of that suicide by those who
supposedly loved or admired him.
 
    The 67-year-old author of the ''Fear and Loathing'' books shot himself
in the head on Feb. 20 as he sat in the kitchen of his home near Aspen,
Colo., taking a phone call from his wife. Anita Thompson had called him
from her health club, she told the Aspen Daily News, and he'd asked her to
come home and help him with the column he had to write. Then, without
warning or a goodbye, he put down the phone and fired a .45-caliber handgun
into his mouth.
 
    ''I was on the phone with him, he set the receiver down and he did
it,'' she said. ''I heard the clicking of the gun.'' There was a loud,
muffled noise. Then nothing. ''I was waiting for him to get back on the
phone.''
 
    Could anything be more ghoulish and egotistical than making your
unsuspecting wife listen while you put a bullet through your skull?
Absolutely: making your unsuspecting wife listen while you put a bullet
through your skull - and your son, daughter-in-law, and grandson are just a
few yards away. Juan Thompson was in a nearby office when his father blew
his brains out in the kitchen. Winkel Thompson and 6-year-old Will were
playing in the living room next door.
 
    It takes a real sadist to arrange his suicide so that his loved ones
are forced to hear him die. But what kind of degenerate inflicts something
so traumatic on a child of 6?
 
    In Thompson's defense, it must be said that he was a hardened alcohol
and drug abuser who over the decades had ingested, inhaled, and imbibed a
staggering quantity and assortment of recreational poisons.  The cumulative
damage to his brain must have been considerable. By the time he fired his
.45, who knows how clearly he was thinking about anything?
 
    But there is no defense for the treatment of Thompson's suicide as some
sort of final gonzo coup by a rebel who never played by society's rules.

    ''Hunter S. Thompson died Sunday as he planned,'' begins Jeff Kass's
admiring Feb. 24 account in the Rocky Mountain News, ''surrounded by his
family, at a high point in his life, and with a single, courageous, and
fatal gunshot wound to the head, his son says.''
 
     High point? Courageous? In what warped moral universe is a man's
pointless and ignoble death the ''high point in his life?'' And what is
''courageous'' about turning one's wife into a widow or depriving a
6-year-old of his grandfather?
 
    Thompson's son and daughter-in-law, Kass continues, ''could not be
prouder'' of his suicide. It was the result of ''a thought process with its
own beautifully dark logic. ... The guy was a warrior, and he went out like
a warrior.'' Did Thompson, asks Kass, ''have his favorite liquid sidekick,
a glass of Chivas Regal, on the counter? 'Of course he did,' Juan Thompson
said.''
 
    Another story details the impromptu cocktail party that gathered around
Thompson's corpse - still in the kitchen chair - to drink Chivas and toast
him. ''It was very loving,'' Anita Thompson is quoted as saying. ''It was
not a panic, or ugly, or freaky.'' Her husband's death should be cheered,
she says. ''This is a triumph of his, not a desperate, tragic failure.''
That is either unhinged grief speaking or overripe counterculture leftism.
Either way, it is grotesque.
 
    But it has been echoed everywhere.
 
    ''It wouldn't be accurate to say Thompson had a death wish,'' Mark
Layman wrote for Knight Ridder. ''Just the opposite: He was the
self-described 'champion of fun.' '' Douglas Brinkley, the well-known
historian and Thompson family friend, declared that Thompson ''made a
conscious decision that he had an incredible run of 67 years, lived the way
he wanted to, and wasn't going to suffer the indignities of old age.'' One
journalist after another seized the moment to reminisce about some wild
evening once spent with Thompson, whose suicide they seem to regard as one
last piece of roguish bad craziness from an irrepressible original.
 
    How striking is the contrast between Thompson's tawdry death and the
excruciating struggle of Pope John Paul II, whose passionate belief in the
sanctity of life remains unwavering, even as Parkinson's disease slowly
ravages him. The pope's example of courage and dignity sends a powerful
message, but the chattering class would rather talk instead about why this
stubborn man won't resign. Meanwhile they extol Hunter Thompson and are
itching to know - are his ashes really going to be fired from a cannon?

-- 
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R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  4 12:40:27 2005
From: jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com (Sarad AV)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:40:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [>Htech] Tracking a Specific Machine Anywhere On The Net
  (fwd from eugen@leitl.org)
In-Reply-To: <20050304172852.GV13336@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <20050304204027.61297.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com>

hi,

After looking at RFC1323 below
http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1323.html#sec-4


the only reasonable option is to use the time old
pseudorandom numbers for TCP sequence numbers in the
TCP IP stack.

Another option would be to synchronize the client with
NTP but that wouldn't work either.Say that the client
clock can be updated ever one millisecond. However the
minimum network delay between the time server and the
client is usually 300ms to 800 ms.During this period a
large number of outboud packets are send from the
client depending on the speed at which the client is
blasting away. There are plenty of packets to analyze
for the attacker to determine the skew.

Sarad.




--- Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:

> ----- Forwarded message from Eugen Leitl
> <eugen at leitl.org> -----
> 
> From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:28:27 +0100
> To: transhumantech at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [>Htech] Tracking a Specific Machine
> Anywhere On The Net
> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i
> Reply-To: transhumantech at yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> Link:
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/04/1355253
> Posted by: Zonk, on 2005-03-04 16:45:00
> 
>    from the not-the-sandra-bullock-movie dept.
>    An anonymous reader writes "An article on ZDNet
> Australia tells of a
>    new technique developed at CAIDA that involves
> using the individual
>    machine's clock skew to [1]fingerprint it
> anywhere on the net."
>    Possible uses of the technique include "tracking,
> with some
>    probability, a physical device as it connects to
> the Internet from
>    different access points, counting the number of
> devices behind a NAT
>    even when the devices use constant or random IP
> identifications,
>    remotely probing a block of addresses to
> determine if the addresses
>    correspond to virtual hosts (for example, as part
> of a virtual
>    honeynet), and unanonymising anonymised network
> traces."
> 
> 
> References
> 
>    1.
>
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/0,2000061744,39183346,00.htm
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> 
> How to track a PC anywhere it connects to the Net
> 
> Renai LeMay, ZDNet Australia
> March 04, 2005
> URL:
>
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/0,2000061744,39183346,00.htm
> 
> 


	
		
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From rah at shipwright.com  Fri Mar  4 10:22:49 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:22:49 -0500
Subject: SEC probing ChoicePoint stock sales
Message-ID: <p06110474be4e57db3250@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7087572/print/1/displaymode/1098/>
  MSNBC.com

SEC probing ChoicePoint stock sales
Execs sold shares before ID thefts made public
The Associated Press
Updated: 10:30 a.m. ET March 4, 2005


ATLANTA - ChoicePoint Inc., a leading data warehouser, says the Securities
and Exchange Commission is investigating stock sales by its top two
executives and the embattled company has decided to stop giving personal
information about consumers to small businesses. Its shares tumbled on the
news.

The dual announcements were made Friday by the Alpharetta, Ga.-based
company in a news statement and a regulatory filing.

The SEC probe involves sales of stock by chief executive Derek Smith and
president Douglas Curling for a $16.6 million profit in the months after
the company learned its massive database had been breached and before that
was made public.

ChoicePoint's stock had dropped about 10 percent since the personal
information breach at the data collector was announced Feb. 15. On Friday,
ChoicePoint shares fell $2.43, or 6 percent, to $37.85 in early trading on
the New York Stock Exchange.

Corporate governance experts say the pattern and timing of the trading by
Smith and Curling raise questions, while ChoicePoint has said the stock
trading was prearranged under a plan approved by the company's board.

The decision to stop selling data to small businesses was made because that
was the segment of the company that thieves tapped into to gain access to
ChoicePoint's database. Smith said in a statement that the decision follows
"the response of consumers who have made it clear to us that they do not
approve of sensitive personal data being used without a direct benefit to
them."

ChoicePoint said it will stop selling information products that contain
sensitive consumer data, including Social Security numbers, to small
businesses, except in limited cases where the products support federal,
state or local government purposes.

Last month, ChoicePoint said it was notifying about 145,000 Americans that
their Social Security numbers and other personal information may have been
viewed by criminals posing as legitimate ChoicePoint customers. The company
said Friday that the number of potentially affected customers may increase,
but it doesn't believe the increase will be substantial.

ChoicePoint has said repeatedly it learned of the breach in October, but
delayed disclosing it because it said California authorities had asked it
to keep quiet to protect the fraud investigation. It said in a detailed
explanation Friday that it first learned of the possibility of fraud on
Sept. 27. A similar breach involving 7,000 to 10,000 ChoicePoint records
occurred in 2002.

ChoicePoint said Friday the SEC has notified the company that it is
conducting an informal inquiry of the stock sales as well as the
circumstances surrounding the possible theft of people's identities in
connection with the breach of its database. The stock sales occurred
between November and February.

ChoicePoint said it will cooperate with the probe and "provide requested
information and documents to the SEC."

The company also said in a lengthy regulatory filing that the Federal Trade
Commission is conducting an inquiry into its compliance with federal laws
governing consumer information security and related issues.

The FTC has asked for information and documents regarding ChoicePoint's
customer credentialing process and the recent incident in Los Angeles
involving a Nigerian man who was accused of committing fraud using consumer
information from the company's database.

The company said it is a defendant in several lawsuits and complaints
arising from the breach. It said it could not estimate the financial impact
on the company of the customer fraud and related events.

It wasn't immediately clear how many customers the decision on small
businesses affects. ChoicePoint said Feb. 21 when it decided to rescreen
17,000 small business customers that that action affected 5 percent of its
annual revenue of $900 million.

In Friday's regulatory filing, it said that because it will no longer sell
information to small businesses, it expects a decline in core revenue this
year of $15 million to $20 million.

-- 
-----------------
R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Fri Mar  4 14:03:23 2005
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:03:23 -0800
Subject: Handheld Licence Plate Scanner/OCR/Lookup
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050304133830.04339ce8@pop.idiom.com>

More news dispatches from Brinworld....

http://www.chieftain.com/business/1109862027/1
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/01/196.asp

Bootfinder, made by G2 Systems in Alexandria VA,
is a combination of a handheld digital camera,
OCR software for locating and reading license plates,
and a database lookup system that shows the user
whatever information it has about that license plate.
The software runs on a laptop; the article doesn't say
if it has an online live data feed or just runs on stored data.

The two governments currently using it, New Haven Conn
and Arlington County VA, are using it to find
car tax and parking ticket delinquents,
so it's something that doesn't need a live data feed,
but that would be easy to patch on - the hard technology's
in reading the number, not in using it.

It was originally developed for tracing stolen cars,
but the developer found that to be a hard sell with
cash-strapped police departments, while parking enforcement
is a revenue-generating activity so anything that
lets those departments rake in money faster is an easy sell.
One city saw their car tax payment compliance go from
80% to 95% because it was easy to catch many non-payers
and to scare other people into paying before they get caught.

The camera can scan 1000 license plates per minute -
the article doesn't say how fast the cars can be going,
but the cities that use it have parking officials driving
down the street scanning parked cars' plates,
which are easier to aim at than moving cars.
Even so, that suggests that more widespread privacy-invading
applications should be easy to develop -
David Brin's "Transparent Society" prediction of
cameras and computing being cheap enough to become ubiquitous
becomes more realistic every year.




From rah at shipwright.com  Fri Mar  4 12:31:56 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:31:56 -0500
Subject: Warm Party for a Code Group
Message-ID: <p061104b7be4e75511a15@[68.167.57.91]>

> At 9:01 PM +0100 3/4/05, Anonymous wrote:
>>What does this have to do with cypherpunks?

>"Narcs and feds will not be allowed at the meeting. Fuck them dead."

Cheers,
RAH

------


<http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,55114,00.html>

Wired News


Warm Party for a Code Group 
By Danit Lidor?

Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,55114,00.html

02:00 AM Sep. 13, 2002 PT

The cypherpunks are throwing a PGP (pretty good party) this weekend.


 The venerable online community is celebrating its 10th anniversary which,
in the ephemeral world of the Internet, is remarkable.

 No wonder. In 1992, the cypherpunks emerged from a small group of people
who, because of their interest in cryptography and encryption, recognized
that the free-flowing format of the burgeoning Web culture must provide for
anonymous interactions.

 Not surprisingly, they soon came under the uncomfortable scrutiny of the
formidable National Security Agency.

 The situation escalated in early 1993, after a computer programmer named
Phil Zimmermann (a patron saint of the community) -- alarmed that the
patents for public key encryption were sold to a company called RSA --
wrote an open-source, free program called PGP (Pretty Good Privacy).

 The resulting debacle, in which Zimmermann was threatened with criminal
prosecution for exporting weapons (encryption technology is termed a weapon
by the U.S. government), brought the public's right to privacy to the
forefront of the now-commonplace tug-of-war between those who favor "crypto
anarchy" and those who don't.

 Through the active work of many civil libertarians, including the
cypherpunks, pressure was brought to bear upon the government to re-think
its position. The charges against Zimmermann were dropped.

 It was a triumph. The geeks fought the law, and the geeks won.

 "The cypherpunks' paranoia about information exploitation is becoming
mainstream," Peter Wayner, author of Translucent Databases, wrote in an
e-mail interview. "Everyone is learning that the cypherpunks' insistence on
limiting the proliferation of information is a good thing."

 The cypherpunks' e-mail list forms the nucleus of the community, which has
grown to include people of many agendas and interests. No longer the
exclusive domain of crypto geeks, cypherpunks are "doctors, lawyers,
mathematicians, felons, druggies, anti-druggies, anarchists, libertarians,
right-wing fanatics, left-wing fanatics, teachers, housewives,
househusbands, students, cops and criminals," cypherpunk J.A. Terranson
wrote in a posting.

 Cypherpunk Optimizzin Al-gorithym wrote in typically obscure cypherpunk
fashion, "We're all just voices in Tim May's head."

 May, one of the original cypherpunks, continues to be an active figurehead
of the cypherpunks and has often bridged the chasm between its historically
secretive culture and its forays into the public sphere.

In 10 years, the list has become an amalgamation of a political watchdog
site, a social club and a repository of technical cryptographic discussion.

 "(It's) where people from all different backgrounds and views can hear
from one another," mathematician Nina Fefferman said. "We math people are
frequently shocked and confused by what the politicians do with regard to
legislating crypto-related issues. Conversely, the policy and society
people are frequently interested in issues that have to do with the use and
regulation of cryptographic standards and research."

 "The atmosphere isn't as electric because the scene has grown so big,"
Wayner said. "It's not just a few guys talking about the importance of some
mathematical equations. It's like debating the importance of indoor
plumbing now. No one disputes it, they just want to argue about copper
versus PVC."

 Wayner, Zimmermann, as well as May, John Gilmore and Eric Hughes (the
original founders of the list), however, have emerged from their cypherpunk
association as key public privacy figures: vocal and passionate defenders
of civil liberties on the Web.

 It's hard to imagine the secretive and fractious cryptocrusaders
assembling for a physical meeting. Even May, the party's host, isn't sure
who or how many cypherpunks to expect to his soiree at a hideaway in the
Santa Cruz (California) mountains.

 But he's adamant about who won't be coming. Never one to mince words, he
wrote, "Narcs and feds will not be allowed at the meeting. Fuck them dead."


-- 
-----------------
R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From ptrei at rsasecurity.com  Fri Mar  4 13:09:02 2005
From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:09:02 -0500
Subject: Jeff Jacoby: An inglorious suicide
Message-ID: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776CB3@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-cypherpunks at minder.net
> [mailto:owner-cypherpunks at minder.net]On Behalf Of Anonymous
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:01 PM
> To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
> Subject: Re: Jeff Jacoby: An inglorious suicide
> 
> 
> R.A. Hettinga spoke thusly...
> > 
> <http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jeffjacoby/printjj20050304.shtml>
> > 
> > Townhall.com
> > 
> > An inglorious suicide
> > Jeff Jacoby (back to web version) | Send
> > 
> > March 4, 2005
> > 
> > Hunter Thompson's suicide was an act of selfishness and 
> cruelty. But more
> > depraved by far has been the celebration of that suicide by 
> those who
> > supposedly loved or admired him.
> 
> What does this have to do with cypherpunks?  This is not your personal
> blog.  Most of the list traffic is forwarded or cross-posted news
> articles, but how is HST's suicide remotely on-topic?
> 


I absolutely agree. The value of Hettinga's posts to Cypherpunks and 
the Cryptography list has absolutely gone down the tubes, to the point
where I have had to write special filter rules to isolate his posts
from the actual content.

The dozen or so full-length article on HST have simply no relevance
to either list.

If he had any respect for others at all, he'd give the URL and
a couple lines of summary. Or even better is your suggestion that
he use his own blog, or set up his own mailing list instead of
spamming the lists with off-topic crap.

His behaviour has sunk his reputation well into the 
Choate/Matt Taylor range.

Peter Trei




From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Mar  4 09:28:27 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:28:27 +0100
Subject: [>Htech] Tracking a Specific Machine Anywhere On The Net
Message-ID: <mailman.1193.1576007656.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/04/1355253
Posted by: Zonk, on 2005-03-04 16:45:00

   from the not-the-sandra-bullock-movie dept.
   An anonymous reader writes "An article on ZDNet Australia tells of a
   new technique developed at CAIDA that involves using the individual
   machine's clock skew to [1]fingerprint it anywhere on the net."
   Possible uses of the technique include "tracking, with some
   probability, a physical device as it connects to the Internet from
   different access points, counting the number of devices behind a NAT
   even when the devices use constant or random IP identifications,
   remotely probing a block of addresses to determine if the addresses
   correspond to virtual hosts (for example, as part of a virtual
   honeynet), and unanonymising anonymised network traces."


References

   1. http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/0,2000061744,39183346,00.htm

----- End forwarded message -----

How to track a PC anywhere it connects to the Net

Renai LeMay, ZDNet Australia
March 04, 2005
URL: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/0,2000061744,39183346,00.htm


Anonymous Internet access is now a thing of the past. A doctoral student at
the University of California has conclusively fingerprinted computer hardware
remotely, allowing it to be tracked wherever it is on the Internet.

In a paper on his research, primary author and Ph.D. student Tadayoshi Kohno
said: "There are now a number of powerful techniques for remote operating
system fingerprinting, that is, remotely determining the operating systems of
devices on the Internet. We push this idea further and introduce the notion
of remote physical device fingerprinting ... without the fingerprinted
device's known cooperation."

The potential applications for Kohno's technique are impressive. For example,
"tracking, with some probability, a physical device as it connects to the
Internet from different access points, counting the number of devices behind
a NAT even when the devices use constant or random IP identifications,
remotely probing a block of addresses to determine if the addresses
correspond to virtual hosts (for example, as part of a virtual honeynet), and
unanonymising anonymised network traces."

NAT (network address translation) is a protocol commonly used to make it
appear as if machines behind a firewall all retain the same IP address on the
public Internet.

Kohno seems to be aware of the interest from surveillance groups that his
techniques could generate, saying in his paper: "One could also use our
techniques to help track laptops as they move, perhaps as part of a
Carnivore-like project". Carnivore was Internet surveillance software built
by the United States' Federal Bureau of Investigation. Earlier in the paper
Kohno overshadowed possible forensics applications, saying that investigators
could use his techniques "to argue whether a given laptop was connected to
the Internet from a given access location".

Another application for Kohno's technique is to "obtain information about
whether two devices on the Internet, possibly shifted in time or IP
addresses, are actually the same physical device."

The technique works by "exploiting small, microscopic deviations in device
hardware: clock skews." In practice, Kohno's paper says, his techniques
"exploit the fact that most modern TCP stacks implement the TCP timestamps
option from RFC 1323 whereby, for performance purposes, each party in a TCP
flow includes information about its perception of time in each outgoing
packet. A fingerprinter can use the information contained within the TCP
headers to estimate a device's clock skew and thereby fingerprint a physical
device."

Kohno goes on to say: " Our techniques report consistent measurements when
the measurer is thousands of miles, multiple hops, and tens of milliseconds
away from the fingerprinted device, and when the fingerprinted device is
connected to the Internet from different locations and via different access
technologies. Further, one can apply our passive and semi-passive techniques
when the fingerprinted device is behind a NAT or firewall."

And the paper stresses that "For all our methods, we stress that the
fingerprinter does not require any modification to or cooperation from the
fingerprintee." Kohno and his team tested their techniques on many operating
systems, including Windows XP and 2000, Mac OS X Panther, Red Hat and Debian
Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and even Windows for Pocket PCs 2002.

"In all cases," the paper says, "we found that we could use at least one of
our techniques to estimate clock skews on the machines and that we required
only a small amount of data, although the exact data requirements depended on
the operating system in question."

Putting the techniques to the test with a wider test also proved fruitful for
the researchers. "We also measured the clock skews of 69 (seemingly
identical) Windows XP SP1 machines in one of our institution's undergraduate
computing facilities. The latter experiment, which ran for 38 days, as well
as other experiments, show that the clock skew estimates for any given
machine are approximately constant over time, but that different machines
have detectably different clock skews," said the paper.

Although the paper says that "It has long been known that seemingly identical
computers can have disparate clock skews," it goes on to conclude that "the
main advantage of our techniques ... is that our technique can be mountable
by adversaries thousands of miles and multiple hops away."

Information about the technique came to light when KC Claffy, principal
investigator for the Cooperative Association for Internet Data Analysis
(CAIDA) forwarded information about the project to a mailing list, "in the
interest of full and early disclosure". However Claffy also said in her
email: "Please don't forward to any bad guys." Kohno is also associated with
CAIDA.

Kohno's research is due to be presented at the Institute of Electrical and
Electronics Engineers Symposium on Security and Privacy to be held in
California in May.

Copyright ) 2005 CNET Networks, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
ZDNET is a registered service mark of CNET Networks, Inc. ZDNET Logo is a
service mark of CNET NETWORKS, Inc.

--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144            http://www.leitl.org
8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
http://moleculardevices.org         http://nanomachines.net



----- End forwarded message -----
--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144            http://www.leitl.org
8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
http://moleculardevices.org         http://nanomachines.net

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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Mar  4 09:28:53 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:28:53 +0100
Subject: [>Htech] Tracking a Specific Machine Anywhere On The Net (fwd
  from eugen@leitl.org)
Message-ID: <20050304172852.GV13336@leitl.org>

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From nobody at paranoici.org  Fri Mar  4 12:01:13 2005
From: nobody at paranoici.org (Anonymous)
Date: Fri,  4 Mar 2005 21:01:13 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Jeff Jacoby: An inglorious suicide
In-Reply-To: <p06110432be4e1169af49@[68.167.57.91]>
Message-ID: <be796a920256803d2d54eb8f1183411e@paranoici.org>

R.A. Hettinga spoke thusly...
> <http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jeffjacoby/printjj20050304.shtml>
> 
> Townhall.com
> 
> An inglorious suicide
> Jeff Jacoby (back to web version) | Send
> 
> March 4, 2005
> 
> Hunter Thompson's suicide was an act of selfishness and cruelty. But more
> depraved by far has been the celebration of that suicide by those who
> supposedly loved or admired him.

What does this have to do with cypherpunks?  This is not your personal
blog.  Most of the list traffic is forwarded or cross-posted news
articles, but how is HST's suicide remotely on-topic?

It's not as if every possible angle on HST's suicide hasn't already been
covered by the press.




From dgerow at afflictions.org  Fri Mar  4 20:22:41 2005
From: dgerow at afflictions.org (Damian Gerow)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:22:41 -0500
Subject: Jeff Jacoby: An inglorious suicide
In-Reply-To: <be796a920256803d2d54eb8f1183411e@paranoici.org>
References: <p06110432be4e1169af49@[68.167.57.91]>
  <be796a920256803d2d54eb8f1183411e@paranoici.org>
Message-ID: <20050305042241.GM83265@afflictions.org>

Thus spake Anonymous (nobody at paranoici.org) [04/03/05 15:18]:
: What does this have to do with cypherpunks?  This is not your personal
: blog.  Most of the list traffic is forwarded or cross-posted news
: articles, but how is HST's suicide remotely on-topic?

Actually, I'm kinda getting sick of reading about his suicide.  Seriously,
enough already.  He's dead.  Let him rest in peace.




From nobody at paranoici.org  Fri Mar  4 16:34:08 2005
From: nobody at paranoici.org (Anonymous)
Date: Sat,  5 Mar 2005 01:34:08 +0100 (CET)
Subject: SEC probing ChoicePoint stock sales
In-Reply-To: <p06110474be4e57db3250@[68.167.57.91]>
Message-ID: <d8dcb073aa5912475f2acb6ea5fec2ab@paranoici.org>

R.A. Hettinga wrote:
> <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7087572/print/1/displaymode/1098/>

While this is marginally more cypherpunks-related than Hunter Thompson's
suicide, I think we're all capable of reading the daily headlines if we
care about the SEC investigation du jour.




From mv at cdc.gov  Sat Mar  5 06:51:24 2005
From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret))
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 06:51:24 -0800
Subject: SHA1 broken?
Message-ID: <4229C76C.528734DB@cdc.gov>

At 09:23 PM 2/19/05 +0000, Dave Howe wrote:
>   I am unaware of any massive improvement (certainly to the scale of
>the comparable improvement in CPUs) in FPGAs, and the ones I looked at
a
>a few days ago while researching this question seemed to have pretty

FPGAs scale with tech the same as CPUs, however CPUs contain a lot
more design info (complexity).  But FPGAs since '98 have gotten
denser (Moore's observation), pioneering Cu wiring, smaller features,
etc.




From eugen at leitl.org  Sat Mar  5 00:12:42 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:12:42 +0100
Subject: Handheld Licence Plate Scanner/OCR/Lookup
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050304133830.04339ce8@pop.idiom.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050304133830.04339ce8@pop.idiom.com>
Message-ID: <20050305081242.GJ13336@leitl.org>

On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 02:03:23PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:

> Bootfinder, made by G2 Systems in Alexandria VA,
> is a combination of a handheld digital camera,

Germany has recently deployed a Toll Collect system which has license plate
OCR mounted
on many points (hundreds to thousands) over highways. It reads all license
plates (missing out some 5% or so currently), supposedly discarding
everything but the truck's. Currently.

It is sufficient to create movement profiles of individual vehicles with a
rather good resolution (but then, mobile phones are even more useful for
that).

--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144            http://www.leitl.org
8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
http://moleculardevices.org         http://nanomachines.net

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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  5 13:50:37 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:50:37 -0500
Subject: SHA1 broken?
In-Reply-To: <4229C76C.528734DB@cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F3660EF0403DF9C916E34C79B5D0@phx.gbl>

Well, what would you call a network processor? An FPGA or a CPU? I think of 
it as somewhere in between, given credence to the FPGA statement below.

-TD

>From: "Major Variola (ret)" <mv at cdc.gov>
>To: "cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net" <cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net>
>Subject: Re: SHA1 broken?
>Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 06:51:24 -0800
>
>At 09:23 PM 2/19/05 +0000, Dave Howe wrote:
> >   I am unaware of any massive improvement (certainly to the scale of
> >the comparable improvement in CPUs) in FPGAs, and the ones I looked at
>a
> >a few days ago while researching this question seemed to have pretty
>
>FPGAs scale with tech the same as CPUs, however CPUs contain a lot
>more design info (complexity).  But FPGAs since '98 have gotten
>denser (Moore's observation), pioneering Cu wiring, smaller features,
>etc.




From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net  Sat Mar  5 17:41:32 2005
From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:41:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: End of a cypherpunk era?
In-Reply-To: <6212ba641e11f045d0219dc79e947b1e@ecn.org>
Message-ID: <200503060141.j261fWDv018438@artifact.psychedelic.net>

Someone writes:

> > I never saw this kind of thing as being central to the cypherpunk
> > concept. In fact, to me it seems like the wrong direction to go. The
> > point of being a cypherpunk is to live in cypherspace, the mythical land
> > where online interactions dominate and we can use information theory and
> > mathematics to protect ourselves. Of course, cypherspace is inevitably
> > grounded in the physical world, so we have to use anonymous remailers
> > and proxies to achieve our goals.

This seems reasonable.  It seems the path of least resistance here, is to 
let ones meatspace identity fly under the radar, and attract no attention 
to itself, while ones cypherpunkish persona is fighting injustice and 
sovereign state arrogance by selling really great tech to the needy and 
wiring large satchels of money between continents in encrypted untraceable 
transactions.

I would think the last thing one would wish do to in order to further that 
goal, is to have ones meatspace identity publicly thumb its nose at the 
government, and make itself a target for retaliation.

Loudly renouncing ones citizenship is a lot less effective in destroying 
the infrastructure of oppression, than anonymously telling everyone in the 
world how they can make a 20 megaton thermonuclear explosion working for a 
few years in their basement using only non-radioactive materials that can 
never be made illegal to own.

There are two types of societies in the world.  Those in which everyone 
has a deadly weapon that can never be take away, and against which there 
is no defense.  And those in which everyone has an inpenetrable shield 
that can never be taken away, and against which no weapon is effective.

Dolphins are an example of the former.  Usenet is an example of the 
latter.  Dolphins are polite, friendly, and respectful of eachother, and 
no group of dolphins can ever form a government to oppress the rest of 
them.  

We should try to be more like dolphins in cypherspace, while attracting as 
little attention to ourselves in other places.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"




From cripto at ecn.org  Sat Mar  5 15:03:01 2005
From: cripto at ecn.org (Anonymous)
Date: Sun,  6 Mar 2005 00:03:01 +0100 (CET)
Subject: End of a cypherpunk era?
Message-ID: <6212ba641e11f045d0219dc79e947b1e@ecn.org>

Ian Grigg writes at
http://www.financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000381.html:

: FC exile finds home as Caribbean Brit
:
: Vince Cate (writes Ray Hirschfeld) created a stir a number of years ago
: by relocating to the Caribbean island nation of Anguilla, purchasing a
: Mozambique passport-of-convenience, and renouncing his US citizenship
: in the name of cryptographic and tax freedom.
:
: Last Thursday I attended a ceremony (the first of its kind in Anguilla)
: at which he received his certificate of British citizenship.
:
: But Vince's solemn affirmation of allegiance to Queen Elizabeth, her
: heirs and successors was done for practical rather than ideological
: reasons. Since giving up his citizenship, the US has refused to grant
: him a visa to visit his family there, or even to accompany his wife to
: St. Thomas for her recent kidney surgery. Now as a British citizen he
: expects to qualify for the US visa waiver program.
:
: Is this the end of an era, a defining cypherpunk moment?

"Cypherpunk" responds in the comments:

> I never saw this kind of thing as being central to the cypherpunk
> concept. In fact, to me it seems like the wrong direction to go. The
> point of being a cypherpunk is to live in cypherspace, the mythical land
> where online interactions dominate and we can use information theory and
> mathematics to protect ourselves. Of course, cypherspace is inevitably
> grounded in the physical world, so we have to use anonymous remailers
> and proxies to achieve our goals.
>
> But escaping overseas is granting too much to the primacy of the
> physical. It would be better for Vince Cate and other expats to help
> create anonymizing technology and other infrastructure to allow people
> to work and play freely in the online world.
>
> And tying it back to this blog, the gold at the end of the cipherpunk
> rainbow is a payment system which can be deployed and exploited
> anonymously. That's hard, for many reasons, not least because most people
> are happy and eager to share information goods for free. Modern-day
> online communism (creative commons, open source, etc) actually undercuts
> cypherpunk goals by reducing the need and motivation for anonymous
> payment systems. How can you buy and sell information goods online,
> when everyone gives everything away freely?




From comesefosse at ntani.firenze.linux.it  Sat Mar  5 15:15:40 2005
From: comesefosse at ntani.firenze.linux.it (Tarapia Tapioco)
Date: Sun,  6 Mar 2005 00:15:40 +0100 (CET)
Subject: mixminion test
Message-ID: <b04d07533809943269d61203d3a0b648@firenze.linux.it>

-----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----
Message-type: plaintext

One-line test of mixminion!
-----END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----




From justin-cypherpunks at soze.net  Sat Mar  5 18:45:21 2005
From: justin-cypherpunks at soze.net (Justin)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 02:45:21 +0000
Subject: End of a cypherpunk era?
In-Reply-To: <6212ba641e11f045d0219dc79e947b1e@ecn.org>
References: <6212ba641e11f045d0219dc79e947b1e@ecn.org>
Message-ID: <20050306024521.GA8637@arion.soze.net>

On 2005-03-06T00:03:01+0100, Anonymous wrote:
> Ian Grigg writes at
> http://www.financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000381.html:
> : Is this the end of an era, a defining cypherpunk moment?

It doesn't make much sense to renounce your U.S. citizenship if your
relatives, who you care about and who you want to visit, still live there.

What did Vince Cate expect?  He wants to be free to enter the U.S.
temporarily, but doesn't want to be a citizen of a country the U.S.
deems sufficiently similar to itself?  From the American State's
perspective, he is dangerous.  He is a near-anarchist, and individuals
with that kind of status threaten the existence of the U.S.

-- 
Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who
have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for
anything else thereafter.           --Hemingway, Esquire, April 1936




From cripto at ecn.org  Sat Mar  5 21:20:36 2005
From: cripto at ecn.org (Anonymous)
Date: Sun,  6 Mar 2005 06:20:36 +0100 (CET)
Subject: End of a cypherpunk era?
Message-ID: <59b623bace9f5a49cf8ea2b77c3ad72b@ecn.org>

EMC writes:
> Loudly renouncing ones citizenship is a lot less effective in destroying 
> the infrastructure of oppression, than anonymously telling everyone in the 
> world how they can make a 20 megaton thermonuclear explosion working for a 
> few years in their basement using only non-radioactive materials that can 
> never be made illegal to own.

That would certainly be conducive to destruction, but I imagine we'd see
a lot more than just "the infrastructure of oppression" being destroyed
in such a world.  The problem, vs your dolphins, is that nukes can be
delivered anonymously, hence used without fear of retribution.

> There are two types of societies in the world.  Those in which everyone 
> has a deadly weapon that can never be take away, and against which there 
> is no defense.  And those in which everyone has an inpenetrable shield 
> that can never be taken away, and against which no weapon is effective.

No, I don't think every society in the world falls into one of these
two categories.  Don't you recognize that we live in a world where there
are neither perfect shields nor perfect weapons?

> Dolphins are an example of the former.  Usenet is an example of the 
> latter.  Dolphins are polite, friendly, and respectful of eachother, and 
> no group of dolphins can ever form a government to oppress the rest of 
> them.  
>
> We should try to be more like dolphins in cypherspace, while attracting as 
> little attention to ourselves in other places.

Unfortunately, cypherspace even more than cyberspace tends towards the
perfect-shield side of the equation.  You can't harm a person if your
only interactions are anonymous communications.  About the worst you
can give him is a stern talking-to.  If your social analysis is correct,
then cypherpunk technologies are going to make online interactions even
less polite, friendly and respectful.

Still, if we could achieve mutual respect and freedom in the physical
world, we would happily pay the price of increased rudeness online.




From waddell at fairfax.com  Sun Mar  6 09:08:00 2005
From: waddell at fairfax.com (waddell at fairfax.com)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:08:00 -0500
Subject: Independent URUD
Message-ID: <754997735.80714950747891@fairfax.com>

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From steve49152 at yahoo.ca  Sun Mar  6 21:13:09 2005
From: steve49152 at yahoo.ca (Steve Thompson)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 00:13:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: End of a cypherpunk era?
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050307051310.4244.qmail@web51802.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Anonymous <cripto at ecn.org> wrote:
[snip]
> Still, if we could achieve mutual respect and freedom in the physical
> world, we would happily pay the price of increased rudeness online.

Speak for yourself.  


Regards,

Steve
 

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca




From sunder at sunder.net  Mon Mar  7 08:10:46 2005
From: sunder at sunder.net (sunder)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:10:46 -0500
Subject: NSA specifies elliptic-curve crypto for security applications
Message-ID: <422C7D06.4000501@sunder.net>

http://www.eet.com/sys/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=60404977

NSA specifies elliptic-curve crypto for security applications
By Loring Wirbel , EE Times 
<http://www.eetimes.com/;jsessionid=3J52X3FMWO51MQSNDBGCKHSCJUMEKJVN>
March 03, 2005 (10:22 AM EST)
URL: http://www.eet.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=60404977 
<http://www.eet.com/article/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=3J52X3FMWO51MQSNDBGCKHSCJUMEKJVN?articleId=60404977&sub_taxonomyID=> 


<SNIP>

Last October, the agency referred to ECC as one of the few public-key 
systems that could meet equivalent security standards to the private-key 
AES.

NSA (Fort Meade, Md.) is recommending a series of algorithms called 
"Suite B" for securing sensitive and unclassified data. Suite B includes 
Elliptic-Curve Menezes-Qu-Vanstone and Elliptic-Curve Diffie-Hellman for 
key agreement, along with the Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm 
for digital signatures.

AES and Secure Hashing Algorithm also are included in Suite B.




From norwood at pittsburg.com  Mon Mar  7 11:55:14 2005
From: norwood at pittsburg.com (norwood at pittsburg.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:55:14 -0500
Subject: AVOJ Dep.
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From rsw at jfet.org  Mon Mar  7 15:57:50 2005
From: rsw at jfet.org (Riad S. Wahby)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:57:50 -0600
Subject: SHA1 broken?
In-Reply-To: <0503072030470.14065@somehost.domainz.com>
References: <BAY24-F3660EF0403DF9C916E34C79B5D0@phx.gbl> <0503072030470.14065@somehost.domainz.com>
Message-ID: <20050307235750.GA16606@positron.jfet.org>

Thomas Shaddack <shaddack at ns.arachne.cz> wrote:
> There are FPGAs with on-chip RISC CPU cores, allowing reaping the benefits 
> of both architectures in a single chip.

FPGAs are mostly useful for prototyping.  Once you've decided on a
design, there's no point in realizing it in a reprogrammable
environment.  Synthesize it, time it carefully, and run it as fast as
your process allows.

TSMC 0.13u just ain't that pricey any more.

-- 
Riad S. Wahby
rsw at jfet.org




From shaddack at ns.arachne.cz  Mon Mar  7 12:01:57 2005
From: shaddack at ns.arachne.cz (Thomas Shaddack)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:01:57 +0100 (CET)
Subject: SHA1 broken?
In-Reply-To: <BAY24-F3660EF0403DF9C916E34C79B5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY24-F3660EF0403DF9C916E34C79B5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0503072030470.14065@somehost.domainz.com>

FPGAs will have very hard time to be as fast as "dedicated" CPUs, 
frequency-wise. The FPGA structures have to be too generic, and are much 
bigger than specialized structures of the CPUs, so they have higher 
capacity, which limits the maximum achievable switching frequency. The 
length of the wiring between the structures together with the lazy speed 
of light plays its role as well. However, the FPGA structure allows 
parallelizing of processing tasks, which can in some cases neatly beat the 
sequential CPUs.

There are FPGAs with on-chip RISC CPU cores, allowing reaping the benefits 
of both architectures in a single chip.



On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Tyler Durden wrote:

> Well, what would you call a network processor? An FPGA or a CPU? I think of it
> as somewhere in between, given credence to the FPGA statement below.
> 
> -TD
> 
> > From: "Major Variola (ret)" <mv at cdc.gov>
> > To: "cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net" <cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net>
> > Subject: Re: SHA1 broken?
> > Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 06:51:24 -0800
> > 
> > At 09:23 PM 2/19/05 +0000, Dave Howe wrote:
> > >   I am unaware of any massive improvement (certainly to the scale of
> > > the comparable improvement in CPUs) in FPGAs, and the ones I looked at
> > a
> > > a few days ago while researching this question seemed to have pretty
> > 
> > FPGAs scale with tech the same as CPUs, however CPUs contain a lot
> > more design info (complexity).  But FPGAs since '98 have gotten
> > denser (Moore's observation), pioneering Cu wiring, smaller features,
> > etc.




From s.schear at comcast.net  Tue Mar  8 02:31:59 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:31:59 -0800
Subject: ZipLip ends secure email service
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050308022950.04eab088@mail.comcast.net>

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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  8 08:01:45 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:01:45 -0500
Subject: SHA1 broken?
In-Reply-To: <20050307235750.GA16606@positron.jfet.org>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F343F10973B2850F3DE75409B500@phx.gbl>

Well, maybe I misunderstand your statement here, but in Telecom most heavy 
iron has plenty of FPGAs, and as far as I understand it, they more or less 
have to.

-TD

>From: "Riad S. Wahby" <rsw at jfet.org>
>To: Cypherpunks <cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net>
>Subject: Re: SHA1 broken?
>Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:57:50 -0600
>
>Thomas Shaddack <shaddack at ns.arachne.cz> wrote:
> > There are FPGAs with on-chip RISC CPU cores, allowing reaping the 
>benefits
> > of both architectures in a single chip.
>
>FPGAs are mostly useful for prototyping.  Once you've decided on a
>design, there's no point in realizing it in a reprogrammable
>environment.  Synthesize it, time it carefully, and run it as fast as
>your process allows.
>
>TSMC 0.13u just ain't that pricey any more.
>
>--
>Riad S. Wahby
>rsw at jfet.org





From s.schear at comcast.net  Tue Mar  8 12:02:58 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:02:58 -0800
Subject: [>Htech] Tracking a Specific Machine Anywhere On The Net  
  (fwd from eugen@leitl.org)
In-Reply-To: <20050304204027.61297.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050304172852.GV13336@leitl.org> 
  <20050304204027.61297.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050307212952.04ea6a90@mail.comcast.net>

Perhaps I'm missing something but doesn't the use of a proxy strip off 
information essential to this exploit?  If so, only newbies and lusers will 
ID'd.

Steve




From jamesd at echeque.com  Tue Mar  8 12:25:31 2005
From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:25:31 -0800
Subject: I'll show you mine if you show me, er, mine
In-Reply-To: <20050307201419.GE743@bast.lollyshouse.net>
References: <30F37C4533D8564FB1D58BFDAF6687C10250B6ED@ohthree.jjj-i.com>
Message-ID: <422D99BB.15129.A9D0B4A@localhost>

    --
> > However, techniques that establish that the parties share a 
> > weak secret without leaking that secret have been around 
> > for years -- Bellovin and Merritt's DH-EKE, David Jablon's 
> > SPEKE. And they don't require either party to send the 
> > password itself at the end.

> They are heavily patent laden, although untested last time I 
> looked. This has been discouraging to implementers.

There seem to be a shitload of protocols, in addition to SPEKE 
and DH-EKE

A password protocol should have the following properties:

1. It should identify both parties to each other, that is to 
say, be secure against replay and man in the middle attacks, in 
particular, strong against phishing.. It should be secure 
against replay and dictionary attacks by an evesdropper or 
man-in-the-middle.  Such an attacker should be able to no 
better than someone who just tries repeatedly to log on to the 
server with a guessed password

2.  It should be as strong as practical against offline attacks 
by the server itself.  The server operators, or someone who has 
stolen information from them, should not know the users 
password, and dictionary attacks should be sufficiently 
expensive that a strong password (not your ordinary password) 
is secure.

Can anyone suggest a well reviewed, unpatented, protocol that 
has the desired properties? 

    --digsig
         James A. Donald
     6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG
     A8bCmCXDTAX2Syg907T7uRpajs77l9CqLEii+ezP
     42zQDcP3xJXtcLPSgCVa55kew+ALkrQ/I50PFm9lC




From rsw at jfet.org  Tue Mar  8 11:26:48 2005
From: rsw at jfet.org (Riad S. Wahby)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:26:48 -0600
Subject: SHA1 broken?
In-Reply-To: <BAY24-F343F10973B2850F3DE75409B500@phx.gbl>
References: <20050307235750.GA16606@positron.jfet.org>
  <BAY24-F343F10973B2850F3DE75409B500@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050308192648.GA4762@positron.jfet.org>

Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well, maybe I misunderstand your statement here, but in Telecom most heavy 
> iron has plenty of FPGAs, and as far as I understand it, they more or less 
> have to.

Have to in what sense?  If they're constantly reconfiguring the FPGAs
(new software revs, or some sort of evolutionary "learning" process---
the latter not likely in telecom, of course), sure, they have  to be on
reprogrammable structures.

If, on the other hand, you're building a custom hash cracking machine,
you don't need to reconfigure your gates. You could design your
parallelized SHA1 cracking machine and dump it onto a bunch of FPGAs,
but if you really have unlimited resources you take the plunge into
ASICs, at which point you can tighten your timing substantially.

-- 
Riad S. Wahby
rsw at jfet.org




From caine at erf.sh  Tue Mar  8 13:31:18 2005
From: caine at erf.sh (Kwai Chang Caine)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:31:18 -0800
Subject: I'll show you mine if you show me, er, mine
In-Reply-To: <422D99BB.15129.A9D0B4A@localhost>
References: <30F37C4533D8564FB1D58BFDAF6687C10250B6ED@ohthree.jjj-i.com>
     <422D99BB.15129.A9D0B4A@localhost>
Message-ID: <20050308213117.GN743@bast.lollyshouse.net>

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* "James A. Donald" <jamesd at echeque.com> [2005-03-08 12:25 -0800]:
> > > However, techniques that establish that the parties share a 
> > > weak secret without leaking that secret have been around 
> > > for years -- Bellovin and Merritt's DH-EKE, David Jablon's 
> > > SPEKE. And they don't require either party to send the 
> > > password itself at the end.
> 
> > They are heavily patent laden, although untested last time I 
> > looked. This has been discouraging to implementers.
> 
> There seem to be a shitload of protocols, in addition to SPEKE 
> and DH-EKE

These are classed as 'strong password protocols', and include protocols
like SRP (implemented in cyrus sasl I think, but not used commercially
anywhere that I know of - sure cyrus sasl is, but those that use is
typically only support a couple of authentication methods, and SRP isn't
one of them) and PDM (Password Derived Moduli).

They have in common the use of Diffie-Hellman exchange, or slightly
modified versions of it.

> A password protocol should have the following properties:
> 
> 1. It should identify both parties to each other, that is to 
> say, be secure against replay and man in the middle attacks, in 
> particular, strong against phishing.. It should be secure 
> against replay and dictionary attacks by an evesdropper or 
> man-in-the-middle.  Such an attacker should be able to no 
> better than someone who just tries repeatedly to log on to the 
> server with a guessed password
> 
> 2.  It should be as strong as practical against offline attacks 
> by the server itself.  The server operators, or someone who has 
> stolen information from them, should not know the users 
> password, and dictionary attacks should be sufficiently 
> expensive that a strong password (not your ordinary password) 
> is secure.

I'm not sure how the DH aspect plays into these properties.  These
protocols all exist in an 'augmented' form (except SRP which has no
other form) which adds the property that ownership of the server
database does not facilitate impersonation.  That seems sufficient.

> Can anyone suggest a well reviewed, unpatented, protocol that 
> has the desired properties? 

SRP, augmented PDM, both are good and unpatented, but SPEKE claims
dominion over all of them.  Despite the fact that DH-EKE predates it,
and DH is the foundational technology.  Thus, most people think the
patent is silly nonsense, but are unwilling to test it by (say)
including full SRP support in a popular and successful software product.

Of course, my assumptions about there being no such products are exactly
that.  If there are such products I would be very interested to hear
about them.

...

BTW, in case it isn't obvious, as I wrote this mail I was referencing
the Kaufman, Perlman and Speciner 'Network Security' book for
verification.  I had a close encounter with the politics of this
patent a couple of years ago though, and have directly observed its
chilling effect.


salaam-shalom                                 2005-03-08 @ 13:28 -0800
- -- 
G. Hopper, there were a thousand subterfuges   = 353
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From zooko at zooko.com  Tue Mar  8 13:04:46 2005
From: zooko at zooko.com (Zooko O'Whielacronx)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 17:04:46 -0400
Subject: [p2p-hackers] good-bye, Mnet,
	and good luck. I'm going commercial! plus my last design doc
Message-ID: <mailman.1194.1576007657.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

contents of this message: "good-bye, Mnet", "The Fully Connected
Topology", "Rate-Limited Structured Flood", "A Nice Slow Network", "Did
you say 'BROADCAST SEARCH'?" "Persistent Tit-for-Tat == Bilateral
Accounting"


Dear mnet-devel and p2p-hackers:

I am about to accept an exciting job that will preclude me from
contributing to open source projects in the distributed file-system
space.

I will miss the Mnet project!  Good luck without me!

I'm writing the following as a record of the most advanced design that
I have thought of for Mnet.  (See Acknowledgements section below.)
Most or all of the design written below has previously been published
in different web pages, e-mail messages, and IRC transcripts, and a
brief presentation I made at Privacy Enhancing Technologies Workshop
2004.

The design described below is almost but not quite what is currently
implemented, by myself and others, in Mnet v0.7, available at [1].

 *** Design of Mnet v0.7+:

I.  Network connectivity -- the Fully Connected Topology

I.A.  Local peer database.  Each node remembers the nodeId of for each
node that it has ever heard of or received a message from.  There is a
maximum number of nodeIds, in deference to memory and computation costs
(your local memory and your local computation).  I don't know what that
maximum number should be.  If you have more than the maximum number of
nodeIds in your database, you can flush some of the
least-recently-alive ones.

I.B.  Exponential Backoff.  With every peer in your db is stored a
"deadness level".  When the deadness level is equal to 0, that means
that the most recent thing that happened is that you receive a message
from that peer -- whether it was a reponse to a request of yours or if
it were a request from him to you.  We say that the peers with deadness
level 0 are "the live peers".  If a peer has deadness level 1, then
that means that the most recent time that you sent a request to that
peer, he didn't write back.  Now, whenever you want to choose from a
set of peers in order to send a request to one of them, the set you
choose from is all of the deadness level 0 peers, plus with 50%
probability all of the deadness level 1 peers, plus with 25%
probability all of the deadness level 2 peers, and so on.  Deadness
level 2 means that the peer was in deadness level 1, and you chose to
query him (with 50% probability), and he didn't write back again.

I.C.  Lookup of Peer Contact Info.  When you want to find the current
contact info (i.e. current IP address+port number, or current Relay
Server) for a peer, you send a query to a certain number of other peers
(called "MetaTrackers" when they are serving this purpose) -- a "lookup
contact info" query.  How many peers?  Approximately log(N) where N is
the number of peers in your local peer database.  Which peers?  You use
the Chord distribution -- you query the peer closest to your target,
the one closest to the point halfway around the circle from your
target, the one closest to the point a quarter of the way around the
circle, and cetera.

Obviously, you need to publish your current contact info to *your*
MetaTrackers whenever you join the network or whenever your contact
info changes.  Your MetaTrackers are the peer in your db which is
closest to you, the peer in your db which is closest to the point
halfway around the circle, etc.

I.D.  Discovery of New Peers.  Rate-Limited Structured Flood.  Every 60
minutes, you send an update to each of your MetaTrackers.  That update
contains the list of the peerIds of every new peer.  A "new peer" for
this purpose is defined as follows: you've never before announced this
peer to MetaTrackers, and this peer currently has deadness level 0 in
your local db.  If the complete (compressed) message containing the
information about the new peers would exceed 256 KB, then select a
random subset of the new peers to announce in this announcement so that
the message doesn't exceed 256 KB.  This is a rate-limited structured
flood.  The flooding nature of it means that eventually you will find
out about the arrival of every new peer.  The structured nature of it
means that it will take only log(N) time intervals before you find out,
and you will receive only (;-)) log(N) separate notifications of the
arrival of a new peer.  (And you will send log(N) separate
announcements of new peers -- one announcement to each of your
MetaTrackers.)  The rate-limited nature of it means that if new peers
are arriving so fast  that these notifications would take more than
log(N)*256 KB per hour bandwidth, that instead they take up only
log(N)*256 KB per hour and it takes longer for you to find out about
the arrival of every new peer.

I.E.  Relay.  You choose some peer which you can make a TCP connection
to and appoint it to be your RelayServer.  How you choose it, and
dynamically update your choice, is complicated -- see the
implementation in RelayClient.py.  Whenever someone wants to send a
message to you and they find it impossible to open a TCP connection to
you (which is all the time when you are behind a NAT or firewall that
prevents incoming TCP connections) then they send the message to your
RelayServer instead.  See also [2, 3, 4].

II.  Filesystem.

II.A.  Encoding of a file.  This is already described fully and
succinctly in [5].  Here is a capsule summary:  1.  Erasure code the
file, 2.  Encrypt the blocks, 3.  Put the list of the Ids of the
encrypted blocks into a new file named the inode, 4.  Encrypt the
inode, 5.  The Id of the inode, combined with the secret key used for
encryption are the mnetURI of the file.

II.B.  Push each block to the BlockServer which has an nodeId closest
to the blockId (in the Chord metric).

II.C.  In order to download a file, given its mnetURI, you first have
to download the inode, and then you have to download a sufficient
number of the erasure coded blocks.  For each block that you want to
download, you query the BlockServer whose Id is closest to that block's
Id.  If he doesn't have it, then you ask the BlockServer whose Id is
the next-closest.  Etc.  If the file is not actually reconstructable at
all because there are not enough blocks present at all on the network,
then this search algorithm devolves to a broadcast search.

This concludes the basic description of the design of Mnet v0.7+.
There are other aspects of the design that are not included here,
including a metadata search facility invented by Myers Carpenter.  In
addition, there are many specifics or added features in the core
network+filestore that are excluded from this description for brevity.

 *** Discussion:

III.  A Nice Slow Network.  The deliberate pace of announcement of new
peers is a feature, not a bug.  For starters it is convenient to
implement, because for various reasons it is easier to efficiently
manage 256 KB every hour than 72 bytes every second even though they
amount to the same bandwidth over the long term.

However, beyond it being convenient, it is also useful for
discriminating among our peers, because we don't want to start using
new peers until they've been around for a while anyway.  Fresh peers
are more likely to disappear than older ones.  In earlier versions of
this system, we heard about new peers more quickly, and then we had to
add logic to avoid using them until time had passed.

However, beyond it being convenient and useful, it is also desirable to
me, because I wanted Mnet to be more amenable to deliberate and
long-term use than to urgent and impulsive use.  Brad Templeton argued
to me in the year 2002 that if a distributed filesystem were primarily
for acquiring novelty videos, pop songs, and porn, then instant
gratification would be important, but if it were primarily for
acquiring classic works of literature, political and historical
documents, or backup copies of your own data, then instant
gratification isn't so important.  His argument made an impression on
me.

IV.  Scalability Issues and other problems.

IV.A.  Size of the local Peer DB.  One limitation on scale is the size
of the local peer db.  For a modernish desktop machine, the local peer
db could probably be on the order of 2^20 entries with no noticeable
problem.  The limit could probably be made much higher by optimizing
the db.  The current db is trivial -- it consists of a Python dict in
memory which gets serialized by Python pickle and then written to a
file every hour or so.

IV.A.i.  In practice, almost all peers which fall into high deadness
levels will never revive.  If you purge a peer from your local db and
then that peer does revive and reconnect to the network, and if he
sends you a request, then you will re-add him to your db just as if he
were a brand new peer.  So if your local peer db is too big, you could
purge peers, starting with the most dead ones.

IV.B.  Announcement of New Peers.  Each newly arrived peer will be
announced to each current peer.  If the rate of arrivals of new peers
is sufficiently small, then it will take log(N) time intervals for all
peers to learn about the new peer.  My estimate is that "sufficiently
small" is about 2000 new peers per hour, with the current
implementation.  It could doubled or quadrupled by better compression
of the announcement messages.  If the rate of arrival of new peers
exceeds this, then the time before all peers have heard about the new
peer increases proportionally to the rate.

IV.C.  Block store churn.  There is currently no way for a block server
to indicate that its store of blocks is full and that it refuses to
accept new blocks being pushed into it, so you should give them to
someone else.  Absent this "back pressure", the stores of nodes with
small storage capacity are likely to get flushed out by new
publications even while the stores of nodes with large  capacity are
underutilized.  This inefficient distribution reduces the half-life of
files by some unknown constant.

IV.D.  Did you say "BROADCAST SEARCH"?  Well, consider what would
happen if you stopped searching for a block after your first query.
Then we would similar likelihood of finding a block as in e.g. the
Chord File System, with minimal message complexity -- a single query.
The problem is that maybe the block isn't on that node but is on a
nearby node (either because that node joined the network after the
block was published, or because the publisher of the block wasn't yet
aware of that node when he published the block).  This problem can be
solved in one of three ways:

1.  When a new node arrives, it requests copies of all of the relevant
blocks from the node(s) that it shadows.  This is a bad idea for this
system.
2.  As nodes arrive and leave, they keep track of which other nodes
they shadow, then they forward requests which might be satisfied by
other nodes.  Interesting possibility, but I couldn't figure out how to
do it in a way that wouldn't be very complicated and still end up
falling in the worst case to the third approach:
3.  When a downloader doesn't find the desired block on the server
closest to the blockId, it chooses whether to broaden the search and
query other servers that are further from the blockId.

The interesting thing about 3 is that the decision about how broad to
make the search is made by the agent who has the most information about
its importance (such as whether other erasure coded blocks have been
found that can replace the missing block, or whether the user considers
downloading this file important enough to impose additional burden on
the network).  This same agent that has the most information is also
the one that has the incentive to want the download to succeed, so it
is this agent who should choose whether or not to impose the additional
burden on the network of a broader search.  See also section V --
"Persistent Tit-for-Tat == Bilateral Accounting".

V.  Persistent Tit-for-Tat == Bilateral Accounting.  Mnet v0.7+ lacks
something -- an incentive mechanism to limit excessive costs imposed on
the network and simultaneously to motivate users to contribute
resources to the network.  I was always deeply impressed with the
simplicity and robustness of Bram Cohen's "Tit-for-tat" incentive
mechanism for BitTorrent.  Suppose we wanted a similar "tit-for-tat"
mechanism for Mnet v0.7++, but we wanted the peer relationships to
extend through time and across multiple files and multiple user
operations.  Then we would probably invent a bilateral accounting
scheme for each node to keep track of how much goodness each of its
peers has done for it, and to reward helpful peers.  This would then
turn out to be more or less identical to the "bilateral accounting"
scheme that was originally invented by Jim McCoy and Doug Barnes in
Mojo Nation [footnote *].


 *** Acknowledgements

I know that I am doomed before I start to accidentally exclude
important and deserving people from this section.  Sorry.  This is in
roughly chronological order of their earliest contributions to this
design, as far as I can remember.

Obviously this design owes a great debt to the original designers of
its direct ancestor Mojo Nation: Jim McCoy and Doug Barnes, as well as
to the Evil Geniuses -- especially Greg Smith, Bram Cohen, and Drue
Lowenstern.  Also: Raph Levien, Sergei Osokine, the Freenet folks --
Ian Clarke, Oskar Sandberg, and Adam Langley among others -- Justin
Chapweske of Swarmcast, Brandon Wiley, Martin Peck, the Chord folks,
the Pastry folks, the CAN ("Content-Addressable Network") folks, the
OceanStore folks, The Mnet Hackers [7] -- Hauke Johannknecht, Jukka
Santala, Myers Carpenter, Oscar Haegar, Arno Waschk, Luke Nelson --
Mark S. Miller, Bram Cohen again (and Drue Lowenstern again) with
BitTorrent, the Kademlia folks, numerous contributors to the
p2p-hackers mailing list and the #p2p-hackers IRC channel.  Like I said
-- sorry about those omissions.

[footnote *]  Once upon a time there was digital cash, as pioneered by
David Chaum.  When Jim McCoy and Doug Barnes invented Mojo Nation, they
used digital cash, and added bilateral accounting so that a pair of
peers wouldn't require a transaction with a central token server in
order to incentivize each other.  The first three employees they hired
to implement Mojo Nation in 1999 were Greg Smith, Bram Cohen, and
myself.  (Greg might have started in 1998 -- I'm not sure.)  Several of
the ideas in BitTorrent -- which Bram started writing in 2001 -- can be
understood as radical simplifications of ideas in Mojo Nation.  One
such perspective is to think of BitTorrent's tit-for-tat incentives as
being time-limited, file-specific, and non-transferrable bilateral
accounting.  This is not condemnation of BitTorrent's ideas, but praise
of them -- they demonstrate the virtue of radical simplification.

[1] http://mnetproject.org/
[2] http://mnetproject.org/repos/mnet/doc/network_overview.html
[3] http://mnetproject.org/repos/mnet/doc/EGTPv1_Architecture.txt
[4] http://mnetproject.org/repos/mnet/doc/messages_overview.html
[5] http://mnetproject.org/repos/mnet/doc/new_filesystem.html
[6] http://mnetproject.org/repos/mnet/CREDITS

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From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Mar  8 15:53:32 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:53:32 -0500
Subject: Credit card fraud hits new high despite chip and PIN
Message-ID: <p06110431be53eb53e62b@[68.167.57.91]>

<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-2-1516072-2,00.html>

The Times of London

 March 08, 2005

 Credit card fraud hits new high despite chip and PIN
By Helen Nugent



CREDIT and debit card fraud has soared to a record #500 million despite the
introduction of new chip-and-PIN technology, it emerged today.

 Banks, credit card companies and shop owners hoped that the new technology
would reduce fraud because a four-digit personal identification number is
harder to reproduce than a signature. But far from deterring fraudsters,
the new measures have encouraged criminals to steal more cards.

 Figures from Apacs (the Association for Payment Clearing Services) show
that losses to thieves rose by 20 per cent last year, equivalent to #10 for
every adult in Britain.

 An average of 100,000 credit and debit cards were posted to consumers
every day last year. Many were intercepted by criminals, resulting in a 62
per cent rise - to #73 million - in "mail non-receipt" fraud.

 The sheer volume of cards sent out every day provided rich pickings for
fraudsters who operate by getting their hands on plastic before it is
received by the genuine customers.

 The banking industry says that it is working with Royal Mail to monitor
card losses, identify fraud hot spots and take preventive action such as
asking cardholders to collect new cards from their branch. But customers
seem reluctant to pick up new cards in person.

 Card analysts claim that fraudsters doubled their efforts last year in the
belief that chip and PIN would eventually act as an effective deterrent.

 Malcolm Bushell, managing director of Ingenico, Northern Europe, the
world's biggest developer and supplier of chip-and-PIN technology, said:
"The banks knew that 2004 would be a difficult year because fraudsters
would want to fill their boots while they still could."

 But retailers and banks seem powerless to clamp down on credit card fraud.
The theft of card details, which are then used to buy products over the
phone, via mail order or over the internet - known as "card-not-present
fraud" - continues to top the table of losses, soaring by 24 per cent to
#150 million last year.

 Consumers duped by counterfeiters who illegally clone or skim cards lost
nearly #130 million last year, a rise of 17 per cent. Fraud at cash
machines, a favourite resort of thieves, grew at an alarming rate, up by 81
per cent to nearly #75 million Chip and PIN claims to be a sophisticated
anti-fraud measure, yet there is no deadline for its implementation. Cards
without the new technology are still being issued and of 141 million credit
and debit cards in circulation, one in three are still the old
signature-only type.

 Furthermore, 15 per cent of retailers have yet to install tills that
accept PINs, even though retailers without chip and PIN in-store have been
liable for fraudulent transactions since January 1 this year.

 The British Retail Consortium said: "This time next year, we should be in
more of a position to see the impact that chip and PIN has had on card
fraud." Many shops that have up-to-date tills still do not insist that
customers use PINs to authorise transactions.

 "Fraudsters can disable the chip, for instance by smacking it with a
hammer, and pay for goods using a signature," Mr Bushell said. "There is a
case for saying that a signature should not be accepted."

 Apacs estimates that, without chip and PIN, losses would reach #800
million by the end of this year. But it accepts that the battle against
fraudsters is still to be won. Sandra Quinn, its director of corporate
communications, said: "The more of us use a PIN, the harder a criminal's
life becomes. But clearly they will keep targeting cards. Many people have
made predictions on where the fraudsters will attack next, but we have long
foreseen that we need to keep cards secure in all environments."

 Card identity fraud rose by 22 per cent during 2004, according to Apacs.
Credit reference agencies say that this alternative type of fraud is likely
to grow even more if chip and PIN does prove successful.

-- 
-----------------
R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Mar  8 11:00:52 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:00:52 +0100
Subject: [linux-elitists] Re: MCI boots send-safe (Register) -- adds
  a net of 11 more spam hosts (fwd from kmself@ix.netcom.com)
Message-ID: <20050308190050.GA13336@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from "Karsten M. Self" <kmself at ix.netcom.com> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Mar  8 23:47:14 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:47:14 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] good-bye, Mnet, and good luck. I'm going
  commercial! plus my last design doc (fwd from zooko@zooko.com)
Message-ID: <20050309074714.GC13336@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Zooko O'Whielacronx <zooko at zooko.com> -----


From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net  Wed Mar  9 12:14:42 2005
From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:14:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [p2p-hackers] good-bye, Mnet, and good luck. I'm going
  commercial!  plus my last design doc (fwd from zooko@zooko.com)
In-Reply-To: <20050309074714.GC13336@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <200503092014.j29KEgiC020750@artifact.psychedelic.net>

Zooko writes:

> I am about to accept an exciting job that will preclude me from 
> contributing to open source projects in the distributed file-system 
> space.

> I will miss the Mnet project!  Good luck without me!

Is there a network currently running?  At one time, I had 5 gig of Mnet 
blockstore, but when months went by with no metatracking, and apparently, 
no running network, I grew bored and rm'ed it.

> I'm writing the following as a record of the most advanced design that 
> I have thought of for Mnet. 

[Clippage]]

Yes, well.  My thoughts on this, and other distributed filesystems, are as 
follows.

We have the following useful technologies.

Swarmed downloads, erasure coding, distributed filesystem with global 
namespace, encryption, routing, accounting, and search.

We have various systems which have implemented a various subsets of these 
features, with varying degrees of efficiency.  The killer technology 
amongst all these is obviously swarmed downloading, which, efficiently 
implemented in Bittorrent, currently accounts for a third of network 
bandwidth.

The two systems which implement the most of the above technologies, Mnet 
and Freenet, while theoretically lovely, have at most a niche following, 
and are cumbersome to set up and use, with frequent "issues" in their 
protocols and codebase.

Now, I think we can all agree that it would be lovely to have a 
distributed filesystem, with a global namespace, that anyone can put stuff 
in, and take stuff out of, which guarantees anonymity for both producers 
and consumers of content, swarms downloads, has an redundant distributed 
encrypted backing store that lasts forever, is easily and quickly 
searched, can be instantly set up by anyone who wishes to use it, never 
breaks, and starves users who unreasonably leech large amounts of 
resources without reciprocating.

BUT, given that bittorrent is a wild success, which people ACTUALLY USE, 
would it not make more sense to create such a system by augmenting 
bittorrent with the technologies it presently lacks, than by continuing 
development on other systems, many of them bloated and buggy, which have 
been around for years without managing to be made to work well, or 
attracting large numbers of happy and satisfied customers?

If you had a thousand hours of genius programmer time, would you spend it 
embracing and extending Bittorrent, or shoveling through the 
indecipherable bowels of legacy Mnet and Freenet code?

I think Mnet and Freenet were wonderful testbeds, which taught us all a 
lot about what does and doesn't work in grandiose P2P schemes.

But Bittorrent is where the users are, and software without users is like 
network television programming without viewers.  

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  9 09:19:05 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:19:05 -0500
Subject: SHA1 broken?
In-Reply-To: <20050308192648.GA4762@positron.jfet.org>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F405BC7F24C44B981246DF79B510@phx.gbl>

Ah. You meant as a principal in general. Of course the prevailing wisdom is 
to go from FPGAs to ASICs when you have heavy tasks.

In Telecom equipment, however, there's a few issues that basically 'require' 
FPGAs.

First, the standards change quite a bit, depending on which area you're in. 
For instance, RPR didn't really get settled until very recently. Second, 
your customers may ask for "more" or different kinds of functionality, so 
you may have a new release of firmware to address that. Putting the framing 
and/or PM on an FPGA while keeping the guts (eg, packet processing) on the 
main ASIC/processor allows you to swap out the trivial without a major heart 
transplant.

In addition, there's probably the far more important issue of design cycle 
times. ASICs will take (at the very minimum) 18 months to create, and if you 
make a mistake early on and don't catch, you have to start all over again. 
For some fields that's just unacceptable.

Then again, if you're looking for sheer, brute performance and design cycle 
times are not a limiting factor, ASICs are often the way to go. Even in a 
Variola Suitcase, however, I'd bet some of the trivial functions are 
off-loaded to an FPGA, though, for reasons above.

-TD

>From: "Riad S. Wahby" <rsw at jfet.org>
>To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
>Subject: Re: SHA1 broken?
>Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:26:48 -0600
>
>Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, maybe I misunderstand your statement here, but in Telecom most 
>heavy
> > iron has plenty of FPGAs, and as far as I understand it, they more or 
>less
> > have to.
>
>Have to in what sense?  If they're constantly reconfiguring the FPGAs
>(new software revs, or some sort of evolutionary "learning" process---
>the latter not likely in telecom, of course), sure, they have  to be on
>reprogrammable structures.
>
>If, on the other hand, you're building a custom hash cracking machine,
>you don't need to reconfigure your gates. You could design your
>parallelized SHA1 cracking machine and dump it onto a bunch of FPGAs,
>but if you really have unlimited resources you take the plunge into
>ASICs, at which point you can tighten your timing substantially.
>
>--
>Riad S. Wahby
>rsw at jfet.org





From rsw at jfet.org  Wed Mar  9 11:12:10 2005
From: rsw at jfet.org (Riad S. Wahby)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:12:10 -0600
Subject: SHA1 broken?
In-Reply-To: <BAY24-F405BC7F24C44B981246DF79B510@phx.gbl>
References: <20050308192648.GA4762@positron.jfet.org> <BAY24-F405BC7F24C44B981246DF79B510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050309191210.GB410@positron.jfet.org>

Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Then again, if you're looking for sheer, brute performance and design cycle 
> times are not a limiting factor, ASICs are often the way to go. Even in a 
> Variola Suitcase, however, I'd bet some of the trivial functions are 
> off-loaded to an FPGA, though, for reasons above.

Oh, sure.  Buy yourself the flexibility of the FPGA, e.g., by putting an
FPGA on a huge DMA pipe.  But don't count on the FPGA to do the brunt of
the crunching once you've settled on an implementation.

Note also that you can probably buy yourself lots of performance without
increasing the design cycle time all that much by simply synthesizing
(via Synopsys or the like) the same Verilog with which you would have
programmed the FPGA.  Buy (or pirate if you can; it's not like you're
selling these things, so who cares about the IP issues?) a set of
standard logic cells in the smallest process you can afford so that even
the lion's share of the layout can be done in a completely automated
fashion, and you're basically all set.

-- 
Riad S. Wahby
rsw at jfet.org




From ham at montana.com  Wed Mar  9 12:16:49 2005
From: ham at montana.com (ham at montana.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:16:49 -0500
Subject: American Service PKM Ven.
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From: dpvcyvhtigpeux at gsproductions.net (Daisy Wilcox)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:29:35 +0100
Subject: Can you afford to ignore SmallCaps?
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References: <%RND_ALFABET@idfomaha.com>
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From s.schear at comcast.net  Wed Mar  9 22:06:45 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:06:45 -0800
Subject: [p2p-hackers] good-bye, Mnet, and good luck. I'm going  
  commercial! plus my last design doc (fwd from zooko@zooko.com)
In-Reply-To: <200503092014.j29KEgiC020750@artifact.psychedelic.net>
References: <20050309074714.GC13336@leitl.org> 
  <200503092014.j29KEgiC020750@artifact.psychedelic.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050309214756.04ed6d38@mail.comcast.net>

At 12:14 PM 3/9/2005, Eric Cordian wrote:
>If you had a thousand hours of genius programmer time, would you spend it
>embracing and extending Bittorrent, or shoveling through the
>indecipherable bowels of legacy Mnet and Freenet code?

I worked with Bram and Zooko at Mojo Nation (where both BT and Mnet got 
their respective genesis) and was frankly surprised when the MPAA was so 
easily able to target and put out of commission BT's trackers.  The 
exposure of the trackers was a prominent topic of MN planning discussions 
and its odd that precautions, like distributing the tracker functions into 
clients or hiding them inside a TOR-like proxy network weren't taken earlier.

Steve 




From rsortlttkqzgp at adv-gmbh.de  Wed Mar  9 14:55:57 2005
From: rsortlttkqzgp at adv-gmbh.de (Marylou Oleary)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:55:57 +0300
Subject: Run-away growth in an up and down year
Message-ID: <856069751416.MBX24766@unesco.apexcanvas.com>

Secured Data Inc. (SCRE)	
Emerging Leader In Chinese Export of Pharmaceutica|s!
Total Shares Issued & Outstanding: 9O,OOO,0OO EST
Current Price: O.O9
2O04 Success lead into an exciting 20O5.

Secured Data Inc. announced in December the c|osing of a transaction 
for the acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Joint St0ck Company.

Huifeng is a Chinese based exporter of bulk Pharmaceutica| drugs and 
Neutraceutica| products aimed at the Asian and International markets.

Huifeng has achieved GMP status in China in addition to receiving ISO 
90O1 industrial certification with respect to its manufacturing, 
distribution and quality of produced compounds.

Included in the stable of compounds currently produced by Huifeng are:


Rutin NF11, Troxerutin Dab99, Quercetin 98%, L-Rhamnone, Diosimin Ep4, 
Bel|adonna Ep4, Si|ymarin dab10, Hesperidin, Matrine, Oxymatrine, 
phytosterol, Stigmasterol, Pueraria, Reseverator|, Naringin, Baicalin 
Berberine Hydroch|orrde, 10-Deacetyl Baccatin, Pac|itaxo|, Gikgo biloba P.E., 
Grape seed P.E., Epimedium Extract, Pueraria Lobata Extract, Magnolia 
P.E., Red C|over P.E., Ch|orogenic acid, Gynostema Extract, Fructucs 
Aurantii P.E.,


Acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Leads to Goa| of Major Corporate 
Growth!

Huifeng Biochemistry was formed in the year 20O0 with a view to become 
a cost effective producer and supp|ier of bulk Pharmaceutical and 
Neutraceutical products worldwide.

One of the major components of the value attached to the acquisition of 
Huifeng for Secured Data Inc. is the ownership of proprietary and 
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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Mar 10 00:15:35 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:15:35 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] good-bye, Mnet, and good luck. I'm going
  commercial! plus my last design doc (fwd from zooko@zooko.com)
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050309214756.04ed6d38@mail.comcast.net>
References: <20050309074714.GC13336@leitl.org>
  <200503092014.j29KEgiC020750@artifact.psychedelic.net>
  <6.0.1.1.0.20050309214756.04ed6d38@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20050310081535.GA13336@leitl.org>

On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 10:06:45PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:

> I worked with Bram and Zooko at Mojo Nation (where both BT and Mnet got
> their respective genesis) and was frankly surprised when the MPAA was so
> easily able to target and put out of commission BT's trackers.  The

Why? BT is designed with zero privacy in mind.

> exposure of the trackers was a prominent topic of MN planning discussions
> and its odd that precautions, like distributing the tracker functions into
> clients or hiding them inside a TOR-like proxy network weren't taken

You can post BT links on a P2P network.

> earlier.


--
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______________________________________________________________
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From albright at illinois.com  Thu Mar 10 09:33:59 2005
From: albright at illinois.com (albright at illinois.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:33:59 -0500
Subject: MI Com.
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From otgauln at 1designsource.com  Thu Mar 10 17:58:27 2005
From: otgauln at 1designsource.com (Riley Aguilar)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:58:27 -0600
Subject: This company is cranking up the PR in high gear
In-Reply-To: <FDO38DSUX0O7KCTV@242.ch>
References: <FDO38DSUX0O7KCTV@242.ch>
Message-ID: <106189292143.SEQ44012@crosswort.auraorange.every1.net>

Secured Data Inc. (SCRE)	
Emerging Leader In Chinese Export of Pharmaceuticals!
Tota| Shares Issued & Outstanding: 9O,OO0,O0O EST
Current Price: O.O9
2O04 Success lead into an exciting 2005.

Secured Data Inc. announced in December the c|osing of a transaction 
for the acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Joint St0ck Company.

Huifeng is a Chinese based exporter of bu|k Pharmaceutica| drugs and 
Neutraceutica| products aimed at the Asian and Internationa| markets.

Huifeng has achieved GMP status in China in addition to receiving ISO 
9001 industria| certification with respect to its manufacturing, 
distribution and quality of produced compounds.

Included in the stable of compounds currently produced by Huifeng are:


Rutin NF11, Troxerutin Dab99, Quercetin 98%, L-Rhamnone, Diosimin Ep4, 
Belladonna Ep4, Silymarin dab10, Hesperidin, Matrine, Oxymatrine, 
phytostero|, Stigmasterol, Pueraria, Reseveratorl, Naringin, Baica|in 
Berberine Hydrochlorrde, 10-Deacetyl Baccatin, Paclitaxo|, Gikgo biloba P.E., 
Grape seed P.E., Epimedium Extract, Pueraria Lobata Extract, Magno|ia 
P.E., Red Clover P.E., Chlorogenic acid, Gynostema Extract, Fructucs 
Aurantii P.E.,


Acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Leads to Goal of Major Corporate 
Growth!

Huifeng Biochemistry was formed in the year 2000 with a view to become 
a cost effective producer and supplier of bu|k Pharmaceutica| and 
Neutraceutica| products wor|dwide.

One of the major components of the value attached to the acquisition of 
Huifeng for Secured Data Inc. is the ownership of proprietary and 
patented technology relating to the production of Rutin.

Rutin is a member of bioflavonoids, a |arge gr0up of pheno|ic secondary 
metabolites of p|ants that include more than 2,OO0 different known 
chemica|s. Bioflavonoids such as Quercetin, Rutin, and Hesperidin are 
important nutrients due to their ability to strengthen and modulate the 
permeabi|ity of the wa||s of the b|ood vesse|s including capil|aries.
With their unique and patented techno|ogy, Huifeng expects to become a 
major force in the Rutin markets worldwide.

Secured Data Inc. stands to benefit from this acquisition through the 
ownership of proprietary technology, strong corporate re|ations with 
Chinese governmenta| agencies, certified manufacturing facilities and 
access to growing markets in which to se|| its drug products.

Estimated revenues for 2004-20O5 are more then  $1O0 mil|iOn USD

Further deve|opments of the transaction and the deve|opment at Huifeng 
shou|d be expected in the near future.

Conclusion:

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Companies That Explode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are 
Already Fami|iar with This. Is SCRE Poised and Positioned to Do that For 
You? Then You May Feel the Time Has Come to Act... And Please Watch
this One Trade Monday! Go SCRE.

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From jamesd at echeque.com  Thu Mar 10 22:26:01 2005
From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:26:01 -0800
Subject: [p2p-hackers] good-bye, Mnet, and good luck. I'm going
  commercial! plus my last design doc (fwd from zooko@zooko.com)
In-Reply-To: <200503092014.j29KEgiC020750@artifact.psychedelic.net>
References: <20050309074714.GC13336@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <4230C979.12666.9C38AEA@localhost>

    --
On 9 Mar 2005 at 12:14, Eric Cordian wrote:
> Now, I think we can all agree that it would be lovely to have
> a distributed filesystem, with a global namespace, that
> anyone can put stuff in, and take stuff out of, which
> guarantees anonymity for both producers and consumers of
> content, swarms downloads, has an redundant distributed
> encrypted backing store that lasts forever, is easily and 
> quickly searched, can be instantly set up by anyone who
> wishes to use it, never breaks, and starves users who
> unreasonably leech large amounts of resources without
> reciprocating.

Bittorrent, alone, starves users who leach without
reciprocating, but only in certain very limited ways.

As a result of that and swarming Bittorrent has far more
bandwidth available than any other file sharing network.  You
can download big files faster.  If you want to download big
files, use Bittorrent, or hell will freeze over before your
files complete.  But it does not have more files available,
indeed it has fewer, because there is no reward to users for
making a wide range of files available.

The enormous success of bittorrent, and its limitations, should
tell us that the principle of rewarding uploaders and storers,
and starving leachers, is pretty much central to the success of
a protocol and its software.

    --digsig
         James A. Donald
     6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG
     MHH97gJAm7xaefDsVkckpP3M1T3kFYcHHE4T6q6e
     4sy0PVrzWWflVPEeAHnZN9+Cf4YNPT7P4feuRNy00




From s.schear at comcast.net  Thu Mar 10 22:48:12 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:48:12 -0800
Subject: [p2p-hackers] good-bye, Mnet, and good luck. I'm going  
  commercial! plus my last design doc (fwd from zooko@zooko.com)
In-Reply-To: <20050310081535.GA13336@leitl.org>
References: <20050309074714.GC13336@leitl.org> 
  <200503092014.j29KEgiC020750@artifact.psychedelic.net> 
  <6.0.1.1.0.20050309214756.04ed6d38@mail.comcast.net> 
  <20050310081535.GA13336@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050310123207.04ed8d90@mail.comcast.net>

At 12:15 AM 3/10/2005, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
> > I worked with Bram and Zooko at Mojo Nation (where both BT and Mnet got
> > their respective genesis) and was frankly surprised when the MPAA was so
> > easily able to target and put out of commission BT's trackers.  The
>
>Why? BT is designed with zero privacy in mind.

And this was a profound error, IMHO.  One of the epiphanies from my work at 
MN was that a secrecy-oriented proxy network development and successful 
deployment needed to precede P2P file sharing if such networks were to 
survive determined technical and legal challenges.  End users often care 
little about what 'under the hood' of their P2P app only that they can get 
the content conveniently and they are not subjected to annoyances like spy 
or adware.


> > exposure of the trackers was a prominent topic of MN planning discussions
> > and its odd that precautions, like distributing the tracker functions into
> > clients or hiding them inside a TOR-like proxy network weren't taken
>
>You can post BT links on a P2P network.

But trackers must still be widely accessible by the general population of 
BT users and can you offer the content or obtain it without likely 
identification?

Steve 




From miller at essex.com  Fri Mar 11 06:38:51 2005
From: miller at essex.com (miller at essex.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:38:51 -0500
Subject: Virtual JX Net.
Message-ID: <398540850.16748859203546@essex.com>

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From morse at maryland.com  Fri Mar 11 07:02:37 2005
From: morse at maryland.com (morse at maryland.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:02:37 -0500
Subject: HAQ Env.
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From morlockelloi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 11 10:48:20 2005
From: morlockelloi at yahoo.com (Morlock Elloi)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:48:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [p2p-hackers] good-bye, Mnet, and good luck. I'm going 
  commercial! plus my last design doc (fwd from zooko@zooko.com)
In-Reply-To: <20050311114252.GO17303@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <20050311184820.7904.qmail@web40614.mail.yahoo.com>

> If you want to be invisible to lawyers, you have to use something else.

Whoever wants to design something 'else' should first see Monty Python's "How
not to be seen" sketch (or was it "Importance of not being seen" ?)

It applies pretty well to all current techniques for moving unpaid copyrighted
content.



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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Mar 11 03:42:52 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:42:52 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] good-bye, Mnet, and good luck. I'm going
  commercial! plus my last design doc (fwd from zooko@zooko.com)
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050310123207.04ed8d90@mail.comcast.net>
References: <20050309074714.GC13336@leitl.org>
  <200503092014.j29KEgiC020750@artifact.psychedelic.net>
  <6.0.1.1.0.20050309214756.04ed6d38@mail.comcast.net>
  <20050310081535.GA13336@leitl.org>
  <6.0.1.1.0.20050310123207.04ed8d90@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20050311114252.GO17303@leitl.org>

On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 10:48:12PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:

> >Why? BT is designed with zero privacy in mind.
>
> And this was a profound error, IMHO.  One of the epiphanies from my work at

It was a deliberate decision on Bram Cohen's part. BT is a very useful medium
to deliver software updates, movies und most for what there are currently
broadcast media for.

If you want to be invisible to lawyers, you have to use something else.

(Or at least run BT on a large zombie cloud, so you have plausible
deniability).

> MN was that a secrecy-oriented proxy network development and successful
> deployment needed to precede P2P file sharing if such networks were to
> survive determined technical and legal challenges.  End users often care

If a network has been declared illegal, and you're a part of that network,
and somebody receives packets from you which are part of IP-protected binary
blob, and your ISP rats on you, your ass is grass with the right kind of IP
nazi legislation.

Obvously, the only way to prevent that from happening is not be part of that
network, not make your ISP rat on you -- or, much better, do not let that
legislation happen at all.

If it does happen, freedom becomes illegal.

> little about what 'under the hood' of their P2P app only that they can get
> the content conveniently and they are not subjected to annoyances like spy
> or adware.
>
> >> exposure of the trackers was a prominent topic of MN planning
discussions
> >> and its odd that precautions, like distributing the tracker functions
> >into
> >> clients or hiding them inside a TOR-like proxy network weren't taken
> >
> >You can post BT links on a P2P network.
>
> But trackers must still be widely accessible by the general population of
> BT users and can you offer the content or obtain it without likely
> identification?

Web pages have static addresses in DNS. Search on P2P in dynamic IP is much
more ephemeral, and requires ISPs to keep track of (customer IPv4
time_period)
tuples long enough so that their logs can be subpoenaed.

--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144            http://www.leitl.org
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From s.schear at comcast.net  Fri Mar 11 12:58:12 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:58:12 -0800
Subject: [p2p-hackers] good-bye, Mnet, and good luck. I'm going  
  commercial! plus my last design doc (fwd from zooko@zooko.com)
In-Reply-To: <20050311114252.GO17303@leitl.org>
References: <20050309074714.GC13336@leitl.org> 
  <200503092014.j29KEgiC020750@artifact.psychedelic.net> 
  <6.0.1.1.0.20050309214756.04ed6d38@mail.comcast.net> 
  <20050310081535.GA13336@leitl.org> 
  <6.0.1.1.0.20050310123207.04ed8d90@mail.comcast.net> 
  <20050311114252.GO17303@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050311124931.04e62888@mail.comcast.net>

At 03:42 AM 3/11/2005, Eugen Leitl wrote:

>*** PGP Signature Status: good
>*** Signer: Eugen Leitl (makes other keys obsolete) <eugen at leitl.org> 
>(Invalid)
>*** Signed: 3/11/2005 3:42:52 AM
>*** Verified: 3/11/2005 12:49:27 PM
>*** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE ***
>
>On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 10:48:12PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
>
> > >Why? BT is designed with zero privacy in mind.
> >
> > And this was a profound error, IMHO.  One of the epiphanies from my 
> work at
>
>It was a deliberate decision on Bram Cohen's part. BT is a very useful medium
>to deliver software updates, movies und most for what there are currently
>broadcast media for.


I didn't say that Bram didn't do this on purpose, I just think it was a 
mistake in judgement.


>If you want to be invisible to lawyers, you have to use something else.

or run BT-like apps within something else.  For BT clients its 
straightforward to run most  (e.g., Azureus) via a proxy that keeps no logs 
(e.g., Metropipe).  For Trackers its more difficult.  All I am saying is 
that Brahm should have paid a bit more attention to tracker protection.


>(Or at least run BT on a large zombie cloud, so you have plausible
>deniability).


Like TOR/I2P.


> > MN was that a secrecy-oriented proxy network development and successful
> > deployment needed to precede P2P file sharing if such networks were to
> > survive determined technical and legal challenges.  End users often care
>
>If a network has been declared illegal, and you're a part of that network,
>and somebody receives packets from you which are part of IP-protected binary
>blob, and your ISP rats on you, your ass is grass with the right kind of IP
>nazi legislation.
>
>Obvously, the only way to prevent that from happening is not be part of that
>network, not make your ISP rat on you -- or, much better, do not let that
>legislation happen at all.

Its quite unlikely, at least in the U.S. that networks (e.g., those 
operated in a truly distributed fashion) will be declared illegal.  Its 
even less likely that such networks will enable ISPs to capture anything 
significant about your activities.

> > But trackers must still be widely accessible by the general population of
> > BT users and can you offer the content or obtain it without likely
> > identification?
>
>Web pages have static addresses in DNS. Search on P2P in dynamic IP is much
>more ephemeral, and requires ISPs to keep track of (customer IPv4 time_period)
>tuples long enough so that their logs can be subpoenaed.

Using DNS to resolve the addresses of future trackers is probably a fools 
errand.

Steve 




From cymjfhkebnw at alive-inc.org  Fri Mar 11 13:31:57 2005
From: cymjfhkebnw at alive-inc.org (Chauncey Ferris)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:31:57 -0500
Subject: The right investment becomes clear
In-Reply-To: <BXU06VLQF4D9HRWM@adach.cl>
References: <BXU06VLQF4D9HRWM@adach.cl>
Message-ID: <560321397702.ARQ13899@novitiate.astd-vos.org>

Rochester, NY, Apr 11, 2005 (M2 PRESSWIRE via COMTEX) -- OTCStockExchange.coms
"Stock Watch Alert" this morning are Wysak Petro|eum (WYSK), Key
Energy Services, Inc. (Pink Sheets: KEGS), Medify So|utions (MFYS),
Sequoia Interests Corporation (SQNC).

Wysak Petro|eum (WYSK)
Current Price: 0.24

Wysak Petro|eum announces the signing of a Letter of Intent with the European
Commission Baltic Renewab|e Energy Centre (EC BREC) to assist Wysak Petroleum in
the development of the Wysak Wind Power Project.

EC BREC and Wysak have signed a LOI in respect to the deve|opment of a
ful|-sized Commercial Wind Power Project in Europe. This letter states that EC
BREC can support Wysak in matters such as financial structuring and investment,
regulatory issues, government po|icies, negotiations, wind technologies, and
other aspects re|ating to Wind Power.

About the Wysak Wind Project

This deve|opment wi|| be up to a maximum 90Mw in size and cost upwards of $120
mi|li0n in deve|opment expenditures. Once completed, this Wind Park wil| supp|y
upwards of 170,000 Mw of e|ectricity annua|ly for Poland and the European
Community. This is enough green energy to supp|y upwards of 25,000 homes with
e|ectricity and offset near|y 170,000 tonnes of Greenhouse gases. Total gross
e|ectric sa|es over a 20-year period are estimated at over $450 mi||i0n for a
project this size.

About the EC Baltic Renewab|e Energy Centre

The mission of European Commission-founded EC BREC is to stimulate the
development of renewab|e energy sources (RES) in Po|and through the construction
of RES projects, the deve|opment of innovative techno|ogies, and the creation of
relevant policies, strategies and p|ans. To fulfi|| the mission, EC BREC uses
its own research capabi|ities and cooperates with partner institutions from the
EU, other countries, and internationa| organizations.

About Wysak Petro|eum

Wysak is a diversified energy company whose goal is to identify and deve|op
traditional fossi| fuel sites, as we|l as clean air alternative energy producing
technologies. Wysak controls one Wyoming Federal oi| & gas lease in the Bighorn
Basin region and another in the Green River Basin. Its two Wyoming State |eases
are located 45 miles apart within the massive CoalBed Methane p|ay area of the
Powder River Basin. Numerous large petro|eum and exploration firms operate near
to al| of these properties; they inc|ude ExxonMobi|e (XOM), Wi|liams Gas (WMB),
and Western Gas (WGR) among others. Co||ectively, over 26,000 wells produced
54.7 mi|lion barrels of oil and 1.75 trillion cubic feet of natura| gas in
Wyoming

Conclusion:

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That Explode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are Already Familiar with This.
Is WYSK Poised and Positioned to Do that For You?
Then You May Fee| the Time Has Come to Act... And P|ease Watch this One Trade Tuesday!
Go WYSK.

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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 11 13:39:56 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:39:56 -0500
Subject: FW: Managed Security Services Webinar from Light Reading
Message-ID: <BAY24-F34D65E8E2A709ABA4A366B9B530@phx.gbl>

>Dear Colleague,
>
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>
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>
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From cripto at ecn.org  Fri Mar 11 11:09:26 2005
From: cripto at ecn.org (Anonymous)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:09:26 +0100 (CET)
Subject: MD5 collision method published
Message-ID: <bd99598074f97be84edd56b3ebb198d7@ecn.org>

At last, the secret of how to make MD5 collisions is out!

See http://cryptography.hyperlink.cz/MD5_collisions.html.  This includes
the Wang report, probably the one which will be presented at Eurocrypt:
http://www.infosec.sdu.edu.cn/paper/md5-attack.pdf.

As a bonus, it includes an independent reconstruction of the attack by
Vlastimil Klima, http://cryptography.hyperlink.cz/md5/MD5_collisions.pdf.

The attack has two parts: finding a first block which almost collides,
then finding a second block which eliminates the differences left after
the first block.  Klima claims that his method is much faster for the
first part, taking only 2 minutes compared to an hour for the Wang method.
However he was not able to match the Wang performance for the second part;
his method is 80 times slower for that.  He predicts:

"It may be expected that after publishing the Chinese method the overall
time for finding a complete collision can fall down to as less as 2
minutes on a PC notebook."

Well, now Wang has published her method, linked there on Klima's web site,
and so it should be possible in principle to put them both together.

No source code is published, but we can create it from the papers.
I guess I know what I'll be hacking on this weekend!




From cleveland at mississippi.com  Sat Mar 12 06:33:45 2005
From: cleveland at mississippi.com (cleveland at mississippi.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:33:45 -0500
Subject: Earth OLJQ Mega
Message-ID: <704924454.12792632418968@mississippi.com>

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From afsycyivds at 1800bankcard.com  Sat Mar 12 04:45:15 2005
From: afsycyivds at 1800bankcard.com (Vaughn Moss)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:45:15 -0300
Subject: Portfolio boost from this moneymaker
Message-ID: <934712896206.RDE35709@badland.bratwurst.ch>

Rochester, NY, Apr 11, 2005 (M2 PRESSWIRE via COMTEX) -- OTCStockExchange.coms
"Stock Watch Alert" this morning are Wysak Petroleum (WYSK), Key
Energy Services, Inc. (Pink Sheets: KEGS), Medify So|utions (MFYS),
Sequoia Interests Corporation (SQNC).

Wysak Petroleum (WYSK)
Current Price: 0.24

Wysak Petro|eum announces the signing of a Letter of Intent with the European
Commission Ba|tic Renewable Energy Centre (EC BREC) to assist Wysak Petroleum in
the deve|opment of the Wysak Wind Power Project.

EC BREC and Wysak have signed a LOI in respect to the deve|opment of a
full-sized Commercia| Wind Power Project in Europe. This letter states that EC
BREC can support Wysak in matters such as financial structuring and investment,
regu|atory issues, government policies, negotiations, wind techno|ogies, and
other aspects re|ating to Wind Power.

About the Wysak Wind Project

This development wil| be up to a maximum 90Mw in size and cost upwards of $120
milli0n in development expenditures. Once comp|eted, this Wind Park wi|l supply
upwards of 170,000 Mw of electricity annual|y for Po|and and the European
Community. This is enough green energy to supp|y upwards of 25,000 homes with
electricity and offset near|y 170,000 tonnes of Greenhouse gases. Tota| gross
electric sales over a 20-year period are estimated at over $450 milli0n for a
project this size.

About the EC Baltic Renewab|e Energy Centre

The mission of European Commission-founded EC BREC is to stimu|ate the
deve|opment of renewab|e energy sources (RES) in Po|and through the construction
of RES projects, the deve|opment of innovative techno|ogies, and the creation of
relevant policies, strategies and p|ans. To fulfi|| the mission, EC BREC uses
its own research capabilities and cooperates with partner institutions from the
EU, other countries, and internationa| organizations.

About Wysak Petro|eum

Wysak is a diversified energy company whose goal is to identify and develop
traditional fossil fuel sites, as well as c|ean air a|ternative energy producing
techno|ogies. Wysak controls one Wyoming Federal oi| & gas |ease in the Bighorn
Basin region and another in the Green River Basin. Its two Wyoming State leases
are located 45 mi|es apart within the massive Coa|Bed Methane p|ay area of the
Powder River Basin. Numerous large petro|eum and exp|oration firms operate near
to al| of these properties; they include ExxonMobi|e (XOM), Wil|iams Gas (WMB),
and Western Gas (WGR) among others. Col|ective|y, over 26,000 we||s produced
54.7 million barre|s of oi| and 1.75 tri|lion cubic feet of natural gas in
Wyoming

Conc|usion:

The Examp|es Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Litt|e Known Companies
That Explode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are Already Fami|iar with This.
Is WYSK Poised and Positioned to Do that For You?
Then You May Feel the Time Has Come to Act... And P|ease Watch this One Trade Tuesday!
Go WYSK.

Penny stocks are considered highly specu|ative and may be unsuitable for a|| but
very aggressive investors.  This Profi|e is not in any way affiliated with the
featured company.We were compensated 3000 do|lars to distribute this report.
This report is for entertainment and advertising purposes only and shou|d not be
used as investment advice.
 
If you wish to stop future mai|ings, or if you fee| you have been
wrongful|y p|aced in our membership, p|ease go here or send a b|ank
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From cdbvjnfk at businessforum.com  Sat Mar 12 11:11:07 2005
From: cdbvjnfk at businessforum.com (Art Robbins)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:11:07 -0600
Subject: This st0ck has everything going for it
In-Reply-To: <OTL95UATJ2K9OLOX@animal-distribution.com>
References: <OTL95UATJ2K9OLOX@animal-distribution.com>
Message-ID: <937774770771.PAA48881@held.21stcenturygoddess.com>

"Stock Watch A|ert" this morning are Wysak Petro|eum (WYSK), Key
Energy Services, Inc. (Pink Sheets: KEGS), Medify Solutions (MFYS),
Sequoia Interests Corporation (SQNC).

Wysak Petro|eum (WYSK)
Current Price:   .225

Wysak Petro|eum announces the signing of a Letter of Intent with the European
Commission Baltic Renewable Energy Centre (EC BREC) to assist Wysak Petroleum in
the development of the Wysak Wind Power Project.

EC BREC and Wysak have signed a LOI in respect to the development of a
fu|l-sized Commercia| Wind Power Project in Europe. This letter states that EC
BREC can support Wysak in matters such as financia| structuring and investment,
regulatory issues, government po|icies, negotiations, wind techno|ogies, and
other aspects re|ating to Wind Power.

About the Wysak Wind Project

This development will be up to a maximum 90Mw in size and cost upwards of $120
milli0n in deve|opment expenditures. Once completed, this Wind Park will supply
upwards of 170,000 Mw of electricity annually for Poland and the European
Community. This is enough green energy to supp|y upwards of 25,000 homes with
e|ectricity and offset nearly 170,000 tonnes of Greenhouse gases. Total gross
electric sa|es over a 20-year period are estimated at over $450 mi|li0n for a
project this size.

About the EC Baltic Renewable Energy Centre

The mission of European Commission-founded EC BREC is to stimulate the
deve|opment of renewable energy sources (RES) in Po|and through the construction
of RES projects, the deve|opment of innovative technologies, and the creation of
re|evant po|icies, strategies and p|ans. To fulfi|| the mission, EC BREC uses
its own research capabi|ities and cooperates with partner institutions from the
EU, other countries, and internationa| organizations.

About Wysak Petro|eum

Wysak is a diversified energy company whose goa| is to identify and deve|op
traditional fossi| fuel sites, as well as clean air a|ternative energy producing
techno|ogies. Wysak contro|s one Wyoming Federa| oil & gas lease in the Bighorn
Basin region and another in the Green River Basin. Its two Wyoming State |eases
are located 45 miles apart within the massive CoalBed Methane play area of the
Powder River Basin. Numerous large petroleum and exploration firms operate near
to a|| of these properties; they inc|ude ExxonMobi|e (XOM), Wi||iams Gas (WMB),
and Western Gas (WGR) among others. Co||ectively, over 26,000 we|ls produced
54.7 mi||ion barrels of oil and 1.75 tril|ion cubic feet of natural gas in
Wyoming

Conc|usion:

The Examples Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potentia| of Litt|e Known Companies
That Explode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are Already Familiar with This.
Is WYSK Poised and Positioned to Do that For You?
Then You May Feel the Time Has Come to Act... And Please Watch this One Trade Wednesday!
Go WYSK.

Penny stocks are considered highly specu|ative and may be unsuitab|e for a|| but
very aggressive investors.  This Profile is not in any way affi|iated with the
featured company.We were compensated 3000 do|lars to distribute this report.
This report is for entertainment and advertising purposes only and shou|d not be
used as investment advice.
 
If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you fee| you have been
wrongfu|ly p|aced in our membership, p|ease go here or send a blank
e mai| with No Thanks in the subject to   st0ck66  @yahoo.com




From jpppxt at angelspinmusic.com  Sat Mar 12 05:48:31 2005
From: jpppxt at angelspinmusic.com (Jeffry Lassiter)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:48:31 +0100
Subject: Otc review analysts pick
In-Reply-To: <WAZ86YTFL7E9XNWH@ca.ua.pt>
References: <WAZ86YTFL7E9XNWH@ca.ua.pt>
Message-ID: <683348374077.PNU04979@vivacity.brumfield.com>

Rochester, NY, Apr 11, 2005 (M2 PRESSWIRE via COMTEX) -- OTCStockExchange.coms
"Stock Watch A|ert" this morning are Wysak Petroleum (WYSK), Key
Energy Services, Inc. (Pink Sheets: KEGS), Medify Solutions (MFYS),
Sequoia Interests Corporation (SQNC).

Wysak Petro|eum (WYSK)
Current Price: 0.24

Wysak Petroleum announces the signing of a Letter of Intent with the European
Commission Ba|tic Renewab|e Energy Centre (EC BREC) to assist Wysak Petroleum in
the development of the Wysak Wind Power Project.

EC BREC and Wysak have signed a LOI in respect to the development of a
fu|l-sized Commercial Wind Power Project in Europe. This letter states that EC
BREC can support Wysak in matters such as financia| structuring and investment,
regu|atory issues, government po|icies, negotiations, wind techno|ogies, and
other aspects relating to Wind Power.

About the Wysak Wind Project

This development wil| be up to a maximum 90Mw in size and cost upwards of $120
mil|i0n in deve|opment expenditures. Once completed, this Wind Park wil| supp|y
upwards of 170,000 Mw of electricity annual|y for Po|and and the European
Community. This is enough green energy to supp|y upwards of 25,000 homes with
e|ectricity and offset near|y 170,000 tonnes of Greenhouse gases. Tota| gross
e|ectric sales over a 20-year period are estimated at over $450 mil|i0n for a
project this size.

About the EC Ba|tic Renewab|e Energy Centre

The mission of European Commission-founded EC BREC is to stimu|ate the
development of renewable energy sources (RES) in Poland through the construction
of RES projects, the development of innovative technologies, and the creation of
relevant policies, strategies and p|ans. To fu|fill the mission, EC BREC uses
its own research capabi|ities and cooperates with partner institutions from the
EU, other countries, and internationa| organizations.

About Wysak Petroleum

Wysak is a diversified energy company whose goal is to identify and develop
traditional fossil fue| sites, as we|| as c|ean air alternative energy producing
technologies. Wysak contro|s one Wyoming Federa| oi| & gas lease in the Bighorn
Basin region and another in the Green River Basin. Its two Wyoming State leases
are located 45 miles apart within the massive CoalBed Methane p|ay area of the
Powder River Basin. Numerous |arge petro|eum and exp|oration firms operate near
to a|| of these properties; they inc|ude ExxonMobi|e (XOM), Wil|iams Gas (WMB),
and Western Gas (WGR) among others. Co||ectively, over 26,000 we|ls produced
54.7 mi||ion barre|s of oil and 1.75 tri|lion cubic feet of natural gas in
Wyoming

Conclusion:

The Examples Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Litt|e Known Companies
That Exp|ode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are Already Familiar with This.
Is WYSK Poised and Positioned to Do that For You?
Then You May Fee| the Time Has Come to Act... And P|ease Watch this One Trade Tuesday!
Go WYSK.

Penny stocks are considered high|y speculative and may be unsuitable for al| but
very aggressive investors.  This Profi|e is not in any way affiliated with the
featured company.We were compensated 3000 dol|ars to distribute this report.
This report is for entertainment and advertising purposes on|y and should not be
used as investment advice.
 
If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you fee| you have been
wrongfully p|aced in our membership, p|ease go here or send a b|ank
e mai| with No Thanks in the subject to   st0ck61 @  yahoo.com




From lorct at ballenger.com  Sat Mar 12 12:33:22 2005
From: lorct at ballenger.com (Stewart Holliday)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:33:22 -0100
Subject: Catch the expl0siOn fr0m breaking news
In-Reply-To: <BDE44IXEG7V6NHMY@backtoactionpt.com>
References: <BDE44IXEG7V6NHMY@backtoactionpt.com>
Message-ID: <360495981354.LYR31946@sympathetic.bendix.as>

"Stock Watch Alert" this morning are Wysak Petroleum (WYSK), Key
Energy Services, Inc. (Pink Sheets: KEGS), Medify Solutions (MFYS),
Sequoia Interests Corporation (SQNC).

Wysak Petroleum (WYSK)
Current Price:   .225

Wysak Petro|eum announces the signing of a Letter of Intent with the European
Commission Baltic Renewab|e Energy Centre (EC BREC) to assist Wysak Petro|eum in
the development of the Wysak Wind Power Project.

EC BREC and Wysak have signed a LOI in respect to the development of a
ful|-sized Commercia| Wind Power Project in Europe. This letter states that EC
BREC can support Wysak in matters such as financia| structuring and investment,
regulatory issues, government po|icies, negotiations, wind technologies, and
other aspects relating to Wind Power.

About the Wysak Wind Project

This development will be up to a maximum 90Mw in size and cost upwards of $120
mi|li0n in development expenditures. Once comp|eted, this Wind Park will supply
upwards of 170,000 Mw of electricity annua||y for Po|and and the European
Community. This is enough green energy to supp|y upwards of 25,000 homes with
electricity and offset nearly 170,000 tonnes of Greenhouse gases. Total gross
e|ectric sales over a 20-year period are estimated at over $450 mi||i0n for a
project this size.

About the EC Baltic Renewable Energy Centre

The mission of European Commission-founded EC BREC is to stimulate the
deve|opment of renewable energy sources (RES) in Poland through the construction
of RES projects, the deve|opment of innovative techno|ogies, and the creation of
relevant policies, strategies and p|ans. To fu|fill the mission, EC BREC uses
its own research capabilities and cooperates with partner institutions from the
EU, other countries, and internationa| organizations.

About Wysak Petroleum

Wysak is a diversified energy company whose goa| is to identify and deve|op
traditiona| fossi| fuel sites, as wel| as c|ean air a|ternative energy producing
technologies. Wysak controls one Wyoming Federa| oil & gas lease in the Bighorn
Basin region and another in the Green River Basin. Its two Wyoming State |eases
are |ocated 45 mi|es apart within the massive CoalBed Methane play area of the
Powder River Basin. Numerous large petro|eum and exploration firms operate near
to a|| of these properties; they inc|ude ExxonMobi|e (XOM), Williams Gas (WMB),
and Western Gas (WGR) among others. Collectively, over 26,000 wells produced
54.7 million barre|s of oil and 1.75 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in
Wyoming

Conc|usion:

The Examples Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Litt|e Known Companies
That Exp|ode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are A|ready Fami|iar with This.
Is WYSK Poised and Positioned to Do that For You?
Then You May Fee| the Time Has Come to Act... And P|ease Watch this One Trade Wednesday!
Go WYSK.

Penny stocks are considered highly specu|ative and may be unsuitable for all but
very aggressive investors.  This Profi|e is not in any way affi|iated with the
featured company.We were compensated 3000 dol|ars to distribute this report.
This report is for entertainment and advertising purposes only and shou|d not be
used as investment advice.
 
If you wish to stop future mai|ings, or if you fee| you have been
wrongfu||y placed in our membership, p|ease go here or send a b|ank
e mai| with No Thanks in the subject to   st0ck65 @  yahoo.com




From cotramynvcvs at bootthemule.com  Sat Mar 12 21:29:47 2005
From: cotramynvcvs at bootthemule.com (Kristopher Mahoney)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:29:47 -0600
Subject: Small-cap market advisors
In-Reply-To: <VAP29MJTC4A1YGNO@brsparachutes.com>
References: <VAP29MJTC4A1YGNO@brsparachutes.com>
Message-ID: <267540706304.HLM20395@claudio.canmade.com>

"Stock Watch Alert" this morning are Wysak Petro|eum (WYSK), Key
Energy Services, Inc. (Pink Sheets: KEGS), Medify Solutions (MFYS),
Sequoia Interests Corporation (SQNC).

Wysak Petro|eum (WYSK)
Current Price:   .225

Wysak Petro|eum announces the signing of a Letter of Intent with the European
Commission Baltic Renewable Energy Centre (EC BREC) to assist Wysak Petroleum in
the deve|opment of the Wysak Wind Power Project.

EC BREC and Wysak have signed a LOI in respect to the deve|opment of a
fu|l-sized Commercia| Wind Power Project in Europe. This |etter states that EC
BREC can support Wysak in matters such as financia| structuring and investment,
regu|atory issues, government policies, negotiations, wind techno|ogies, and
other aspects re|ating to Wind Power.

About the Wysak Wind Project

This development wil| be up to a maximum 90Mw in size and cost upwards of $120
mi|li0n in development expenditures. Once completed, this Wind Park wi|l supp|y
upwards of 170,000 Mw of e|ectricity annually for Po|and and the European
Community. This is enough green energy to supply upwards of 25,000 homes with
e|ectricity and offset nearly 170,000 tonnes of Greenhouse gases. Total gross
electric sa|es over a 20-year period are estimated at over $450 mi||i0n for a
project this size.

About the EC Baltic Renewable Energy Centre

The mission of European Commission-founded EC BREC is to stimulate the
deve|opment of renewable energy sources (RES) in Po|and through the construction
of RES projects, the deve|opment of innovative technologies, and the creation of
re|evant po|icies, strategies and p|ans. To fu|fill the mission, EC BREC uses
its own research capabilities and cooperates with partner institutions from the
EU, other countries, and internationa| organizations.

About Wysak Petro|eum

Wysak is a diversified energy company whose goal is to identify and deve|op
traditional fossil fuel sites, as well as c|ean air alternative energy producing
techno|ogies. Wysak controls one Wyoming Federa| oil & gas |ease in the Bighorn
Basin region and another in the Green River Basin. Its two Wyoming State |eases
are |ocated 45 miles apart within the massive CoalBed Methane play area of the
Powder River Basin. Numerous large petro|eum and exploration firms operate near
to al| of these properties; they include ExxonMobi|e (XOM), Williams Gas (WMB),
and Western Gas (WGR) among others. Co|lective|y, over 26,000 we|ls produced
54.7 million barrels of oil and 1.75 tri||ion cubic feet of natural gas in
Wyoming

Conclusion:

The Examp|es Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Litt|e Known Companies
That Explode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are Already Familiar with This.
Is WYSK Poised and Positioned to Do that For You?
Then You May Feel the Time Has Come to Act... And Please Watch this One Trade Wednesday!
Go WYSK.

Penny stocks are considered high|y speculative and may be unsuitab|e for all but
very aggressive investors.  This Profi|e is not in any way affiliated with the
featured company.We were compensated 3000 do||ars to distribute this report.
This report is for entertainment and advertising purposes on|y and shou|d not be
used as investment advice.
 
If you wish to stop future mai|ings, or if you feel you have been
wrongfully placed in our membership, please go here or send a b|ank
e mai| with No Thanks in the subject to   st0ck68 @  yahoo.com




From xsizt at alaskacoastalhunting.com  Sat Mar 12 20:22:49 2005
From: xsizt at alaskacoastalhunting.com (Ora Mckenzie)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:22:49 +0500
Subject: Penny st0ck booms on continued demand
Message-ID: <707759003656.JKL50716@modest.almostelvis.com>

"Stock Watch Alert" this morning are Wysak Petro|eum (WYSK), Key
Energy Services, Inc. (Pink Sheets: KEGS), Medify So|utions (MFYS),
Sequoia Interests Corporation (SQNC).

Wysak Petro|eum (WYSK)
Current Price:   .225

Wysak Petro|eum announces the signing of a Letter of Intent with the European
Commission Ba|tic Renewab|e Energy Centre (EC BREC) to assist Wysak Petro|eum in
the deve|opment of the Wysak Wind Power Project.

EC BREC and Wysak have signed a LOI in respect to the deve|opment of a
full-sized Commercia| Wind Power Project in Europe. This |etter states that EC
BREC can support Wysak in matters such as financia| structuring and investment,
regu|atory issues, government policies, negotiations, wind techno|ogies, and
other aspects re|ating to Wind Power.

About the Wysak Wind Project

This development wi|l be up to a maximum 90Mw in size and cost upwards of $120
milli0n in development expenditures. Once comp|eted, this Wind Park will supply
upwards of 170,000 Mw of e|ectricity annua||y for Po|and and the European
Community. This is enough green energy to supp|y upwards of 25,000 homes with
electricity and offset near|y 170,000 tonnes of Greenhouse gases. Tota| gross
electric sa|es over a 20-year period are estimated at over $450 mi|li0n for a
project this size.

About the EC Ba|tic Renewable Energy Centre

The mission of European Commission-founded EC BREC is to stimulate the
deve|opment of renewab|e energy sources (RES) in Po|and through the construction
of RES projects, the deve|opment of innovative technologies, and the creation of
relevant po|icies, strategies and plans. To fulfi|l the mission, EC BREC uses
its own research capabi|ities and cooperates with partner institutions from the
EU, other countries, and internationa| organizations.

About Wysak Petroleum

Wysak is a diversified energy company whose goa| is to identify and deve|op
traditiona| fossi| fue| sites, as we|l as clean air a|ternative energy producing
techno|ogies. Wysak controls one Wyoming Federal oi| & gas |ease in the Bighorn
Basin region and another in the Green River Basin. Its two Wyoming State |eases
are located 45 mi|es apart within the massive CoalBed Methane play area of the
Powder River Basin. Numerous |arge petroleum and exploration firms operate near
to a|| of these properties; they include ExxonMobi|e (XOM), Wi|liams Gas (WMB),
and Western Gas (WGR) among others. Col|ective|y, over 26,000 wel|s produced
54.7 mil|ion barrels of oil and 1.75 tril|ion cubic feet of natural gas in
Wyoming

Conc|usion:

The Examples Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Litt|e Known Companies
That Exp|ode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are A|ready Familiar with This.
Is WYSK Poised and Positioned to Do that For You?
Then You May Feel the Time Has Come to Act... And P|ease Watch this One Trade Wednesday!
Go WYSK.

Penny stocks are considered high|y specu|ative and may be unsuitab|e for all but
very aggressive investors.  This Profile is not in any way affiliated with the
featured company.We were compensated 3000 do|lars to distribute this report.
This report is for entertainment and advertising purposes only and should not be
used as investment advice.
 
If you wish to stop future mai|ings, or if you feel you have been
wrongful|y placed in our membership, please go here or send a b|ank
e mai| with No Thanks in the subject to   st0ck72 @  yahoo.com




From dtystzd at bancroftontario.com  Sun Mar 13 07:16:53 2005
From: dtystzd at bancroftontario.com (Erma Herbert)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:16:53 -0500
Subject: Invest0rs watch this 0ne starting right n0w
Message-ID: <274081242697.BSH17138@grandmother.blalock.net>

"Stock Watch A|ert" this morning are Wysak Petroleum (WYSK), Key
Energy Services, Inc. (Pink Sheets: KEGS), Medify Solutions (MFYS),
Sequoia Interests Corporation (SQNC).

Wysak Petroleum (WYSK)
Current Price:   .225

Wysak Petroleum announces the signing of a Letter of Intent with the European
Commission Baltic Renewable Energy Centre (EC BREC) to assist Wysak Petroleum in
the development of the Wysak Wind Power Project.

EC BREC and Wysak have signed a LOI in respect to the development of a
fu|l-sized Commercial Wind Power Project in Europe. This |etter states that EC
BREC can support Wysak in matters such as financia| structuring and investment,
regu|atory issues, government policies, negotiations, wind technologies, and
other aspects re|ating to Wind Power.

About the Wysak Wind Project

This deve|opment will be up to a maximum 90Mw in size and cost upwards of $120
mi|li0n in deve|opment expenditures. Once completed, this Wind Park wil| supp|y
upwards of 170,000 Mw of electricity annual|y for Po|and and the European
Community. This is enough green energy to supp|y upwards of 25,000 homes with
electricity and offset nearly 170,000 tonnes of Greenhouse gases. Tota| gross
electric sales over a 20-year period are estimated at over $450 mi|li0n for a
project this size.

About the EC Ba|tic Renewable Energy Centre

The mission of European Commission-founded EC BREC is to stimu|ate the
development of renewable energy sources (RES) in Po|and through the construction
of RES projects, the development of innovative techno|ogies, and the creation of
relevant po|icies, strategies and plans. To fulfi|l the mission, EC BREC uses
its own research capabi|ities and cooperates with partner institutions from the
EU, other countries, and internationa| organizations.

About Wysak Petro|eum

Wysak is a diversified energy company whose goa| is to identify and deve|op
traditional fossi| fue| sites, as well as c|ean air alternative energy producing
technologies. Wysak contro|s one Wyoming Federal oi| & gas lease in the Bighorn
Basin region and another in the Green River Basin. Its two Wyoming State leases
are |ocated 45 miles apart within the massive CoalBed Methane play area of the
Powder River Basin. Numerous large petroleum and exploration firms operate near
to a|| of these properties; they inc|ude ExxonMobile (XOM), Wil|iams Gas (WMB),
and Western Gas (WGR) among others. Co||ectively, over 26,000 we|ls produced
54.7 million barrels of oil and 1.75 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in
Wyoming

Conc|usion:

The Examples Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Litt|e Known Companies
That Exp|ode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are A|ready Familiar with This.
Is WYSK Poised and Positioned to Do that For You?
Then You May Fee| the Time Has Come to Act... And Please Watch this One Trade Wednesday!
Go WYSK.

Penny stocks are considered highly speculative and may be unsuitab|e for a|l but
very aggressive investors.  This Profi|e is not in any way affiliated with the
featured company.We were compensated 3000 do||ars to distribute this report.
This report is for entertainment and advertising purposes only and shou|d not be
used as investment advice.
 
If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you feel you have been
wrongfully placed in our membership, please go here or send a b|ank
e mail with No Thanks in the subject to   st0ck62  @yahoo.com




From callahan at kentucky.com  Sun Mar 13 07:57:23 2005
From: callahan at kentucky.com (callahan at kentucky.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:57:23 -0500
Subject: Meta BM Dec.
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From iglws at ayfwest.org  Sun Mar 13 13:57:23 2005
From: iglws at ayfwest.org (Harris Hubbard)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:57:23 -0400
Subject: Asset valuation indicates cheap shares won't stay for long
Message-ID: <315143647922.MZF23051@pietism.bassham.com>

The Oi| and Gas Advisory
Now that Oi| and Gas has entered a |ong-term bul| market,
our specia|ty in pinpointing the hottest companies of the few remaining
underva|ued energy p|ays has produced soaring returns.
Emerson Oil and Gas (EOGI) is an energy developer in the US "Oil Belt"
and in Canada's most high|y coveted reservoirs with generating
potential of Mi||ions per week.

Breaking NEws!!!

Emerson Oi| and Gas Identifies Lease 0pp0rtunity in South Texas 
Providing 0pp0rtunity 
for 22-We|l Re-entry in Field with Strong Producing History and Large 
Recoverable Reserves
South Texas in a large existing fie|d that was discovered and dri|led 
by major oi| companies 
in the 1970s.The fie|d is estab|ished with substantial recoverab|e 
reserves, estimated at over 
3.9 million barre|s of oil and about 2 bil|ion cubic ft. of gas in the 
two pay zones.

Symbo| - EOGI
Price   - .075

The value of EOGI's shares will skyrocket:

1. Price charts confirm oil prices are experiencing the strongest bu||
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have trip|ed in the |ast two years.

3. With mu|tiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on
reserves worth mu|ti-millions, EOGI is sel|ing for |ess than 1/4 the
value of its assets.

4. Emerson Oi| and Gas specializes in using new techno|ogy to turn
unproductive oil and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises.
Already shares in the oi| and gas sector are rising faster than the
overa|| market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry
sectors for the past year are energy re|ated. But it's in the mid-sized
explorers and developers like Emerson (EOGI) that the biggest gains are
being made. In the |ast 12 months, many of these stocks made trip|e and
even quadruple returns.

Our subscribers need to pay particu|arly c|ose attention to underva|ued
EOGI shares, because it won't be a bargain for long. This small company
with a comparably smal| market value, is sitting on a bonanza of oil
and gas reserves - an unrecognized bonus for investors especially with
the daily jump in energy prices.

But a|l that wi|| change in a few short weeks, as these reserves move
into production, bringing an explosion of cash that is expected to
capture the attention of the market, and have an equa|ly explosive
effect on the share price.

What wi|l the cash f|ow from these projects do for the price of Emerson
Oi| and Gas' shares? Wel| we do know this - the great thing about
investing in EOGI is that your gains don't depend on further increases
in the price of oil and gas. Even if energy prices stay f|at, or 
dec|ine
slight|y, you will stil| make a very hea|thy return. Of course, energy
prices are expected to continue their meteoric rise over the next year
or so as predicted, meaning the va|ue of EOGI's assets and earnings 
wi|l
soar even higher. In that case, the reward for investors wil| be 
staggering.

Overal|, we consider EOGI to be one of the last outstanding energy
p|ays in the oil and gas sector. Once this discovery has been realized,
EOGI shares will surge sharply on heavy investor attention. We have
identified this discovery for immediate accumu|ation. EOGI's oi| and
gas reserves are wel| established and are going into massive 
production.
Early investors wil| secure optimum gains, and any additional news in 
this
area will really turn up the heat, causing us to revise our targets
upward in next week's bu||etin.

Oil and Gas Advisory (OGA) is not a investment expert. Certain
statements contained in this newsletter may be future-looking
statements within the meaning of The Private Securities Litigation 
Reform Act of 1995.
Such terms as expect, be|ieve, may, wi|l, and intend or similar terms
may identify these statements. Past-performance is not an indicator of
future-results. This is not an expert to acquire or sell securities.
OGA is an independent pub|ication that was paid fifteen thousand 
do||ars by a
third party for the continuing coverage and dissemination of this
company information. Investors are suggested to seek proper guidance
from a financia| expert. Investors should use the information provided 
in this
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From snczcsy at aikidoofphoenix.com  Sun Mar 13 20:55:59 2005
From: snczcsy at aikidoofphoenix.com (Kathryn Meade)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:55:59 -0700
Subject: Aggressive invest0rs and traders shOuld be watching
Message-ID: <832858650624.UQR21984@corinthian.austinindiana.org>

The Oi| and Gas Advisory
Now that Oi| and Gas has entered a long-term bu|| market,
our specia|ty in pinpointing the hottest companies of the few remaining
undervalued energy plays has produced soaring returns.
Emerson Oi| and Gas (EOGI) is an energy developer in the US "Oil Be|t"
and in Canada's most high|y coveted reservoirs with generating
potentia| of Mi|lions per week.

Breaking NEws!!!

Emerson Oil and Gas Identifies Lease 0pp0rtunity in South Texas 
Providing 0pp0rtunity 
for 22-We|l Re-entry in Fie|d with Strong Producing History and Large 
Recoverable Reserves
South Texas in a |arge existing fie|d that was discovered and dri||ed 
by major oil companies 
in the 1970s.The fie|d is estab|ished with substantial recoverable 
reserves, estimated at over 
3.9 million barrels of oil and about 2 bil|ion cubic ft. of gas in the 
two pay zones.

Symbol - EOGI
Price   - .075

The value of EOGI's shares wil| skyrocket:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bul|
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have trip|ed in the |ast two years.

3. With multip|e projects in high-gear and the expanding production on
reserves worth mu|ti-millions, EOGI is se||ing for |ess than 1/4 the
value of its assets.

4. Emerson Oil and Gas specia|izes in using new technology to turn
unproductive oi| and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises.
A|ready shares in the oil and gas sector are rising faster than the
overa|| market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry
sectors for the past year are energy re|ated. But it's in the mid-sized
explorers and deve|opers |ike Emerson (EOGI) that the biggest gains are
being made. In the last 12 months, many of these stocks made triple and
even quadrup|e returns.

Our subscribers need to pay particu|arly close attention to undervalued
EOGI shares, because it won't be a bargain for |ong. This small company
with a comparably smal| market value, is sitting on a bonanza of oil
and gas reserves - an unrecognized bonus for investors especial|y with
the dai|y jump in energy prices.

But a|| that wi|| change in a few short weeks, as these reserves move
into production, bringing an exp|osion of cash that is expected to
capture the attention of the market, and have an equa||y explosive
effect on the share price.

What wi|| the cash f|ow from these projects do for the price of Emerson
Oi| and Gas' shares? We|| we do know this - the great thing about
investing in EOGI is that your gains don't depend on further increases
in the price of oil and gas. Even if energy prices stay flat, or 
dec|ine
s|ightly, you will stil| make a very healthy return. Of course, energy
prices are expected to continue their meteoric rise over the next year
or so as predicted, meaning the value of EOGI's assets and earnings 
wil|
soar even higher. In that case, the reward for investors wi|l be 
staggering.

Overal|, we consider EOGI to be one of the last outstanding energy
plays in the oi| and gas sector. Once this discovery has been realized,
EOGI shares will surge sharp|y on heavy investor attention. We have
identified this discovery for immediate accumu|ation. EOGI's oi| and
gas reserves are well estab|ished and are going into massive 
production.
Ear|y investors wi|l secure optimum gains, and any additiona| news in 
this
area will real|y turn up the heat, causing us to revise our targets
upward in next week's bu||etin.

Oil and Gas Advisory (OGA) is not a investment expert. Certain
statements contained in this news|etter may be future-|ooking
statements within the meaning of The Private Securities Litigation 
Reform Act of 1995.
Such terms as expect, believe, may, wil|, and intend or simi|ar terms
may identify these statements. Past-performance is not an indicator of
future-results. This is not an expert to acquire or se|l securities.
OGA is an independent pub|ication that was paid fifteen thousand 
dollars by a
third party for the continuing coverage and dissemination of this
company information. Investors are suggested to seek proper guidance
from a financia| expert. Investors should use the information provided 
in this
newsletter as a starting point for gathering additional information on
the profi|ed company to a||ow the investor to form their own opinion
regarding investment.
  
If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you fee| you have been
wrongful|y p|aced in our membership, please go here or send a b|ank
e mail with No Thanks in the subject to   st0ck63 @ yahoo.com




From mqmylksrycmgif at 899limo.com  Sun Mar 13 13:43:17 2005
From: mqmylksrycmgif at 899limo.com (William Stark)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:43:17 +0300
Subject: Hot stock tip your broker won't share
In-Reply-To: <UHZ34QWPL0W1CQRP@apparc.com>
References: <UHZ34QWPL0W1CQRP@apparc.com>
Message-ID: <585228444598.CEJ13255@rickety.cabrera.com>

The Oi| and Gas Advisory
Now that Oil and Gas has entered a long-term bul| market,
our specialty in pinpointing the hottest companies of the few remaining
undervalued energy p|ays has produced soaring returns.
Emerson Oi| and Gas (EOGI) is an energy deve|oper in the US "Oil Belt"
and in Canada's most high|y coveted reservoirs with generating
potential of Mil|ions per week.

Breaking NEws!!!

Emerson Oil and Gas Identifies Lease 0pp0rtunity in South Texas 
Providing 0pp0rtunity 
for 22-Well Re-entry in Field with Strong Producing History and Large 
Recoverab|e Reserves
South Texas in a large existing field that was discovered and drilled 
by major oil companies 
in the 1970s.The fie|d is estab|ished with substantia| recoverable 
reserves, estimated at over 
3.9 mil|ion barrels of oi| and about 2 bi|lion cubic ft. of gas in the 
two pay zones.

Symbol - EOGI
Price   - .075

The va|ue of EOGI's shares wi|l skyrocket:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bul|
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have trip|ed in the |ast two years.

3. With mu|tiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on
reserves worth multi-mi|lions, EOGI is sel|ing for |ess than 1/4 the
value of its assets.

4. Emerson Oi| and Gas specia|izes in using new technology to turn
unproductive oi| and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises.
A|ready shares in the oil and gas sector are rising faster than the
overal| market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry
sectors for the past year are energy re|ated. But it's in the mid-sized
explorers and deve|opers like Emerson (EOGI) that the biggest gains are
being made. In the last 12 months, many of these stocks made triple and
even quadrup|e returns.

Our subscribers need to pay particular|y c|ose attention to underva|ued
EOGI shares, because it won't be a bargain for |ong. This smal| company
with a comparably sma|l market va|ue, is sitting on a bonanza of oi|
and gas reserves - an unrecognized bonus for investors especially with
the daily jump in energy prices.

But al| that wi|| change in a few short weeks, as these reserves move
into production, bringing an explosion of cash that is expected to
capture the attention of the market, and have an equa||y exp|osive
effect on the share price.

What wil| the cash f|ow from these projects do for the price of Emerson
Oil and Gas' shares? Well we do know this - the great thing about
investing in EOGI is that your gains don't depend on further increases
in the price of oi| and gas. Even if energy prices stay flat, or 
dec|ine
s|ight|y, you wil| sti|| make a very hea|thy return. Of course, energy
prices are expected to continue their meteoric rise over the next year
or so as predicted, meaning the value of EOGI's assets and earnings 
wi||
soar even higher. In that case, the reward for investors wi|| be 
staggering.

Overa||, we consider EOGI to be one of the |ast outstanding energy
plays in the oi| and gas sector. Once this discovery has been realized,
EOGI shares wi|l surge sharply on heavy investor attention. We have
identified this discovery for immediate accumu|ation. EOGI's oil and
gas reserves are wel| estab|ished and are going into massive 
production.
Ear|y investors wil| secure optimum gains, and any additiona| news in 
this
area wi|| really turn up the heat, causing us to revise our targets
upward in next week's bu||etin.

Oil and Gas Advisory (OGA) is not a investment expert. Certain
statements contained in this newsletter may be future-looking
statements within the meaning of The Private Securities Litigation 
Reform Act of 1995.
Such terms as expect, be|ieve, may, wi|l, and intend or simi|ar terms
may identify these statements. Past-performance is not an indicator of
future-resu|ts. This is not an expert to acquire or se|l securities.
OGA is an independent publication that was paid fifteen thousand 
dol|ars by a
third party for the continuing coverage and dissemination of this
company information. Investors are suggested to seek proper guidance
from a financial expert. Investors shou|d use the information provided 
in this
news|etter as a starting point for gathering additional information on
the profiled company to a|low the investor to form their own opinion
regarding investment.
  
If you wish to stop future mai|ings, or if you fee| you have been
wrongfu||y p|aced in our membership, p|ease go here or send a b|ank
e mai| with No Thanks in the subject to   st0ck73 @ yahoo.com




From sqrkvy at 4001.com  Mon Mar 14 03:04:56 2005
From: sqrkvy at 4001.com (Angie Larson)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:04:56 -0100
Subject: Impressive track rec0rd reveals underva|ued gems
Message-ID: <750691600642.VBE00654@ambling.akpfirm.com>

The Oil and Gas Advisory
Now that Oil and Gas has entered a long-term bu|l market,
our specia|ty in pinpointing the hottest companies of the few remaining
underva|ued energy plays has produced soaring returns.
Emerson Oi| and Gas (EOGI) is an energy developer in the US "Oi| Belt"
and in Canada's most high|y coveted reservoirs with generating
potential of Mi|lions per week.

Breaking NEws!!!

Emerson Oi| and Gas Identifies Lease 0pp0rtunity in South Texas 
Providing 0pp0rtunity 
for 22-We|| Re-entry in Field with Strong Producing History and Large 
Recoverable Reserves
South Texas in a large existing fie|d that was discovered and drilled 
by major oi| companies 
in the 1970s.The fie|d is established with substantia| recoverable 
reserves, estimated at over 
3.9 mi|lion barre|s of oil and about 2 bil|ion cubic ft. of gas in the 
two pay zones.

Symbo| - EOGI
Price   - .075

The va|ue of EOGI's shares wi|l skyrocket:

1. Price charts confirm oil prices are experiencing the strongest bu|l
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have trip|ed in the |ast two years.

3. With multiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on
reserves worth mu|ti-mil|ions, EOGI is sel|ing for |ess than 1/4 the
va|ue of its assets.

4. Emerson Oil and Gas specia|izes in using new techno|ogy to turn
unproductive oil and gas deposits into profitable enterprises.
A|ready shares in the oil and gas sector are rising faster than the
overall market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry
sectors for the past year are energy related. But it's in the mid-sized
explorers and developers |ike Emerson (EOGI) that the biggest gains are
being made. In the |ast 12 months, many of these stocks made triple and
even quadrup|e returns.

Our subscribers need to pay particularly c|ose attention to underva|ued
EOGI shares, because it won't be a bargain for |ong. This small company
with a comparably smal| market value, is sitting on a bonanza of oi|
and gas reserves - an unrecognized bonus for investors especially with
the dai|y jump in energy prices.

But a|l that wi|| change in a few short weeks, as these reserves move
into production, bringing an explosion of cash that is expected to
capture the attention of the market, and have an equal|y explosive
effect on the share price.

What will the cash flow from these projects do for the price of Emerson
Oil and Gas' shares? We|l we do know this - the great thing about
investing in EOGI is that your gains don't depend on further increases
in the price of oi| and gas. Even if energy prices stay flat, or 
dec|ine
slightly, you will sti|| make a very hea|thy return. Of course, energy
prices are expected to continue their meteoric rise over the next year
or so as predicted, meaning the value of EOGI's assets and earnings 
will
soar even higher. In that case, the reward for investors will be 
staggering.

Overa||, we consider EOGI to be one of the last outstanding energy
plays in the oi| and gas sector. Once this discovery has been rea|ized,
EOGI shares wi|l surge sharp|y on heavy investor attention. We have
identified this discovery for immediate accumu|ation. EOGI's oil and
gas reserves are wel| established and are going into massive 
production.
Early investors wi|l secure optimum gains, and any additiona| news in 
this
area wi|| real|y turn up the heat, causing us to revise our targets
upward in next week's bul|etin.

Oil and Gas Advisory (OGA) is not a investment expert. Certain
statements contained in this news|etter may be future-|ooking
statements within the meaning of The Private Securities Litigation 
Reform Act of 1995.
Such terms as expect, believe, may, wil|, and intend or simi|ar terms
may identify these statements. Past-performance is not an indicator of
future-results. This is not an expert to acquire or sell securities.
OGA is an independent pub|ication that was paid fifteen thousand 
do|lars by a
third party for the continuing coverage and dissemination of this
company information. Investors are suggested to seek proper guidance
from a financial expert. Investors should use the information provided 
in this
news|etter as a starting point for gathering additional information on
the profi|ed company to al|ow the investor to form their own opinion
regarding investment.
  
If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you feel you have been
wrongfu||y placed in our membership, please go here or send a blank
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From espinoza at philadelphia.com  Mon Mar 14 11:07:08 2005
From: espinoza at philadelphia.com (espinoza at philadelphia.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:07:08 -0500
Subject: Ultimate TSN Groups  Lab.
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From jewema at christiansym.com  Mon Mar 14 07:29:40 2005
From: jewema at christiansym.com (Amos Gamble)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:29:40 +0400
Subject: Wall Street phenomenon reaps rewards
In-Reply-To: <%RND_ALFABET@emlakcibasi.com.tr>
References: <%RND_ALFABET@emlakcibasi.com.tr>
Message-ID: <115087184215.VLB73724@bugeyed.courterfilms.com>

Get CANM.OB First Thing Today, This Is Going To Exp|ode!

Check out for HOT NEWS!!!

OTCBB: CANM - Caneum Inc.

CURRENT_PRICE: $1.70 GET IT N0W!

Before we start with the profi|e of CANM we would like
to mention something very important: There is a Big PR
Campaign starting on Thursday . And it will go a|l week 
so it wou|d be best to get in NOW

Company Profile

OTCBB: CANM - Caneum Inc.

Symbol: CANM.OB
Current Price: $1.60

How many times have you seen good stocks but you cou|dn't
get your hands on them in the right moment? We are alerting
you to a special company with a unique product that is set
to be profiled by many news|etters in the next 5-10 days
-- this is your chance to get in!

About the Company

Headquartered in Newport Beach, Ca|ifornia, Caneum is a provider of business process and information technology outsourcing products and services across vertical industries including techno|ogy, energy, government, transportation, financial services, education and hea|thcare. It provides a suite of business planning and strategy capabi|ities to assist companies with their �make versus b u y?decisions in the areas of data, network, product development, product maintenance and customer support. 
In para||el, Caneum is opportunistical|y pursuing an accretive outsourcing conso|idation strategy to comp|ement its core business and acce|erate its organic growth by identifying and acquiring mature, qua|ity outsourcing companies with sound financia|s, intriguing products and services, a |oya| customer base and talented management teams that have a passion for what they are doing and want to continue running and growing their organizations.


HUGE NEWS

Caneum Inc. IT Services Gr0up Announces Another New Customer Win, Signing a One-Year Renewable Infrastructure Support Agreement with IDEA Health & Fitness Association


read this lega| info below

Information within this email contains "forward looking statements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that express or invo|ve discussions with respect to predictions, goa|s, expectations, be|iefs, plans, projections, objectives, assumptions or future events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be "forward |ooking statements." Forward looking statements are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are made that invo|ve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those present|y anticipated. Forward looking statements in this action may be identified through the use of words such as: "projects", "foresee", "expects", "estimates," "be|ieves," "understands" "wi|l," "part of: "anticipates," or that by statements indicating certain actions "may," "could," or "might" occur. A|l information provided within this email pertaining to investing, stocks, securities must be understood as information provided and not investment advice. Emerging Equity A|ert advises al| readers and subscribers to seek advice from a registered professiona| securities representative before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this emai|. None of the materia| within this report shall be construed as any kind of investment advice. Please have in mind that the interpretation of the witer of this news|etter about the news pub|ished by the company does not represent the company official statement and in fact may differ from the real meaning of what the news re|ease meant to say. Look  the news release by yourse|f and judge by yourself about the details in it.

In comp|iance with Section 17(b), we disclose the ho|ding of 60 000 CANM shares prior to the pub|ication of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such holdings due to our intent to profit from the |iquidation of these shares. Shares may be sold at any time, even after positive statements have been made regarding the above company. Since we own shares, there is an inherent conf|ict of interest in our statements and opinions. Readers of this publication are cautioned not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements, which are based on certain assumptions and expectations invo|ving various risks and uncertainties, that cou|d cause resu|ts to differ materia||y from those set forth in the forward- looking statements. 

Please be advised that nothing within this email sha|l constitute a so|icitation or an invitation to get position in or se|l any security mentioned herein. This news|etter is neither a registered investment advisor nor affiliated with any broker or dea|er. This newsletter was paid $21400 from third party  to send this report.  All statements made are our express opinion only and should be treated as such. We may own, take position and sel| any securities mentioned at any time. This report includes forward-looking statements within the meaning of The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements may include terms as "expect", "be|ieve", "may", "wi|l", "move","underva|ued" , "specu|ative target price" and "intend" or similar terms.

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From kyocxqco at 4dotranch.com  Mon Mar 14 14:04:18 2005
From: kyocxqco at 4dotranch.com (Shawn Kirby)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:04:18 +0100
Subject: Featured c0mpany earns highest rating 0f the year
Message-ID: <628574659196.LQG89013@extendible.carlberg.net>

"StOck Watch A|ert" this morning are Wysak Petro|eum (WYSK), Key
Energy Services, Inc. (Pink Sheets: KEGS), Medify So|utions (MFYS),
Sequoia Interests Corporation (SQNC).

Wysak Petro|eum (WYSK)
Current Price:   O.24

Wysak Petroleum announces the signing of a Letter of Intent with the European
Commission Baltic Renewab|e Energy Centre (EC BREC) to assist Wysak Petro|eum in
the development of the Wysak Wind Power Project.

EC BREC and Wysak have signed a LOI in respect to the deve|opment of a
fu||-sized Commercia| Wind Power Project in Europe. This |etter states that EC
BREC can support Wysak in matters such as financia| structuring and investment,
regu|atory issues, government policies, negotiations, wind technologies, and
other aspects re|ating to Wind Power.

About the Wysak Wind Project

This development wil| be up to a maximum 9OMw in size and cost upwards of $12O
mi||i0n in deve|opment expenditures. Once comp|eted, this Wind Park wi|| supp|y
upwards of 17O,OO0 Mw of e|ectricity annua|ly for Poland and the European
Community. This is enough green energy to supply upwards of 25,OO0 homes with
electricity and offset nearly 17O,O0O tonnes of Greenhouse gases. Tota| gross
electric sales over a 20-year period are estimated at over $45O milliOn for a
project this size.

About the EC Ba|tic Renewable Energy Centre

The mission of European Commission-founded EC BREC is to stimulate the
deve|opment of renewable energy sources (RES) in Poland through the construction
of RES projects, the development of innovative techno|ogies, and the creation of
re|evant policies, strategies and plans. To fu|fill the mission, EC BREC uses
its own research capabi|ities and cooperates with partner institutions from the
EU, other countries, and international organizations.

About Wysak Petroleum

Wysak is a diversified energy company whose goa| is to identify and develop
traditional fossi| fue| sites, as we|l as clean air a|ternative energy producing
technologies. Wysak contro|s one Wyoming Federal oi| & gas lease in the Bighorn
Basin region and another in the Green River Basin. Its two Wyoming State leases
are |ocated 45 miles apart within the massive CoalBed Methane p|ay area of the
Powder River Basin. Numerous |arge petroleum and exploration firms operate near
to a|| of these properties; they inc|ude ExxonMobile (XOM), Williams Gas (WMB),
and Western Gas (WGR) among others. Collectively, over 26,O0O we||s produced
54.7 mil|ion barrels of oil and 1.75 tri|lion cubic feet of natura| gas in
Wyoming

Conclusion:

The Examples Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Little Known Companies
That Exp|ode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are Already Familiar with This.
Is WYSK Poised and Positioned to Do that For You?
Then You May Fee| the Time Has Come to Act... And P|ease Watch this One Trade Friday!
Go WYSK.

Penny StOcks are considered highly specu|ative and may be unsuitable for a|l but
very aggressive investors.  This Profi|e is not in any way affiliated with the
featured company.We were compensated 3OO0 do|lars to distribute this report.
This report is for entertainment and advertising purposes on|y and should not be
used as investment advice.
 
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From ouslpnhbtxy at earlymarketnews.com  Mon Mar 14 13:14:59 2005
From: ouslpnhbtxy at earlymarketnews.com (Kerry Stacy)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:14:59 +0300
Subject: Aggressive st0ck traders a|ert
Message-ID: <846284466433.GLE26985@cornstarch.fridstrom.com>

Get CANM.OB First Thing Today, This Is Going To Explode!

Check out for HOT NEWS!!!

OTCBB: CANM - Caneum Inc.

CURRENT_PRICE: $1.60 GET IT N0W!

Before we start with the profile of CANM we wou|d like
to mention something very important: There is a Big PR
Campaign starting on Thursday . And it will go all week 
so it would be best to get in NOW

Company Profi|e

OTCBB: CANM - Caneum Inc.

Symbo|: CANM.OB
Current Price: $1.6O

How many times have you seen good stocks but you couldn't
get your hands on them in the right moment? We are a|erting
you to a special company with a unique product that is set
to be profiled by many newsletters in the next 5-1O days
-- this is your chance to get in!

About the Company

Headquartered in Newport Beach, Ca|ifornia, Caneum is a provider of business process and information techno|ogy outsourcing products and services across vertical industries including technology, energy, government, transportation, financial services, education and hea|thcare. It provides a suite of business p|anning and strategy capabi|ities to assist companies with their �make versus b u y?decisions in the areas of data, network, product deve|opment, product maintenance and customer support. 
In paral|el, Caneum is opportunistica||y pursuing an accretive outsourcing consolidation strategy to comp|ement its core business and acce|erate its organic growth by identifying and acquiring mature, qua|ity outsourcing companies with sound financials, intriguing products and services, a loya| customer base and ta|ented management teams that have a passion for what they are doing and want to continue running and growing their organizations.


HUGE NEWS

Caneum Inc. IT Services GrOup Announces Another New Customer Win, Signing a One-Year Renewab|e Infrastructure Support Agreement with IDEA Health & Fitness Association


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From stpeter at jabber.org  Tue Mar 15 11:20:48 2005
From: stpeter at jabber.org (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:20:48 -0600
Subject: Encryption plugins for gaim
In-Reply-To: <20050315190231.GR16468@lola.aquick.org>
References: <20050314061904.GA14354@lola.aquick.org> <423706AE.3040101@systemics.com> <20050315185419.GA23656@jabber.org> <20050315190231.GR16468@lola.aquick.org>
Message-ID: <20050315192048.GA25086@jabber.org>

On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 02:02:31PM -0500, Adam Fields wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 12:54:19PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > Why not help us make Jabber/XMPP more secure, rather than overloading
> > AIM? With AIM/MSN/Yahoo your account will always exist at the will of
> 
> Unfortunately, I already have a large network of people who use AIM,
> and >they< all each have large networks of people who use AIM. Many of
> them still use the AIM client. Getting them to switch to gaim is
> feasible. Getting them to switch to Jabber is not. However, getting
> them to switch to gaim first, and then ultimately Jabber might be an
> option. Frankly, the former is more important to me in the short
> term.

Yep, the same old story. :-)

> > AOL, whereas with XMPP you can run your own server etc. Unfortunately
> 
> Does "can" == "have to"? From what I remember of trying to run Jabber
> a few years ago, it did.

No, we have 200k registered users on the jabber.org server and some
servers have even more. You can run your own server, though, and accept
connections only from other servers you trust, etc.

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From stpeter at jabber.org  Tue Mar 15 11:23:12 2005
From: stpeter at jabber.org (Peter Saint-Andre)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:23:12 -0600
Subject: Encryption plugins for gaim
In-Reply-To: <20050315191448.GY980@smtp.paip.net>
References: <20050314061904.GA14354@lola.aquick.org> <423706AE.3040101@systemics.com> <20050315185419.GA23656@jabber.org> <20050315191448.GY980@smtp.paip.net>
Message-ID: <20050315192312.GB25086@jabber.org>

On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 02:14:48PM -0500, Ian Goldberg wrote:

> OTR works over Jabber today.  Granted, it's not very "Jabberish" (as far
> as I understand the term; I don't know the Jabber protocol very well):
> it just replaces the text of the message with ciphertext.  [gaim, at
> least, doesn't seem to have a way to construct a more "Jabberish"
> message, as far as I could tell.]
> 
> I'd be more than happy to help Jabber-ify the OTR protocol.  The reason
> we designed OTR was exactly that the GPG-over-IM solutions have
> semantics that don't match those of a private conversation: you have
> long-term encryption keys, as well as digital signatures on messages.
> You don't *want* Bob to be able to prove to Charlie that Alice said what
> she did.  [Yet you want Bob to be himself assured of Alice's
> authorship.]  And a compromise of Bob's computer tomorrow should not
> expose today's messages.
> 
> OTR also adds a couple of extra features (malleable encryption,
> publishing of the MAC keys, a toolkit for forging transcripts) to help
> Alice claim that someone's putting words in her mouth.

Obviously I need to read up more on OTR, but thanks for the offer of
assistance -- I'll reply further when my level of ignorance is not quite
so high as it is now.

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From cryptography23094893 at aquick.org  Tue Mar 15 11:02:31 2005
From: cryptography23094893 at aquick.org (Adam Fields)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:02:31 -0500
Subject: Encryption plugins for gaim
In-Reply-To: <20050315185419.GA23656@jabber.org>
References: <20050314061904.GA14354@lola.aquick.org> <423706AE.3040101@systemics.com> <20050315185419.GA23656@jabber.org>
Message-ID: <20050315190231.GR16468@lola.aquick.org>

On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 12:54:19PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Why not help us make Jabber/XMPP more secure, rather than overloading
> AIM? With AIM/MSN/Yahoo your account will always exist at the will of

Unfortunately, I already have a large network of people who use AIM,
and >they< all each have large networks of people who use AIM. Many of
them still use the AIM client. Getting them to switch to gaim is
feasible. Getting them to switch to Jabber is not. However, getting
them to switch to gaim first, and then ultimately Jabber might be an
option. Frankly, the former is more important to me in the short
term.

> AOL, whereas with XMPP you can run your own server etc. Unfortunately

Does "can" == "have to"? From what I remember of trying to run Jabber
a few years ago, it did.

> the original Jabber developers did not build encryption in from the
> beginning and the existing methods have not been implemented widely
> (OpenPGP over Jabber) or are not very Jabberish (RFC 3923), so we need
> to improve what we have. Contributions welcome. See here for pointers:
> 
> http://www.saint-andre.com/blog/2005-03.html#2005-03-15T11:23

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From gsqmuibdodfm at everdraed.net  Tue Mar 15 03:21:15 2005
From: gsqmuibdodfm at everdraed.net (Carmela Root)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:21:15 +0300
Subject: Special report reveals stock is a steal
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OTCBB: CANM - Caneum Inc.

Symbol: CANM.OB
Current Price: $1.60

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In para|lel, Caneum is opportunistica|ly pursuing an accretive outsourcing conso|idation strategy to complement its core business and accelerate its organic growth by identifying and acquiring mature, qua|ity outsourcing companies with sound financials, intriguing products and services, a |oya| customer base and talented management teams that have a passion for what they are doing and want to continue running and growing their organizations.


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From cryptography23094893 at aquick.org  Tue Mar 15 12:02:17 2005
From: cryptography23094893 at aquick.org (Adam Fields)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:02:17 -0500
Subject: Encryption plugins for gaim
In-Reply-To: <20050315194735.GB980@smtp.paip.net>
References: <20050314061904.GA14354@lola.aquick.org> <423706AE.3040101@systemics.com> <20050315185419.GA23656@jabber.org> <20050315190231.GR16468@lola.aquick.org> <20050315192048.GA25086@jabber.org> <20050315193647.GS16468@lola.aquick.org> <20050315194735.GB980@smtp.paip.net>
Message-ID: <20050315200217.GT16468@lola.aquick.org>

On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 02:47:35PM -0500, Ian Goldberg wrote:
> > this is actually a very good solution for
> > me. The only thing I don't like about it is that it stores the private
> > key on your machine. I understand why that is, but it also means that
> > if you switch machines with the same login (home/work), you have to
> > reverify the fingerprint out of band (assuming you care enough to do
> > that in the first place).
> 
> You can also just copy your otr.private_key file around.  See, for
> example, http://chris.milbert.com/AIM_Encryption/

It would be helpful if you could specify the location of the private
key file, so then it could be on a thumb drive or something similar.

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From iang at systemics.com  Tue Mar 15 08:00:46 2005
From: iang at systemics.com (Ian G)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:00:46 +0000
Subject: Encryption plugins for gaim
In-Reply-To: <20050314061904.GA14354@lola.aquick.org>
References: <20050314061904.GA14354@lola.aquick.org>
Message-ID: <423706AE.3040101@systemics.com>

Adam Fields wrote:
> Given what may or may not be recent ToS changes to the AIM service,
> I've recently been looking into encryption plugins for gaim. 
> 
> Specifically, I note gaim-otr, authored by Ian G, who's on this list.

Just a quick note of clarification, there is a collision
in the name Ian G.  4 letters does not a message digest
make.

Gaim-otr as I understand it is authored by Nikita Borisov
and Ian Goldberg <otr at cypherpunks.ca>.  It can be acquired
here:

   http://www.xelerance.com/mirror/otr/

and here are some other links:

   http://www.emergentchaos.com/archives/000715.html

Just to confuse the issue I also am working on a private
instant messaging service which is markedly different, in
that I am taking a payment system and reworking it into an
IM system:

   http://www.financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000379.html

But I haven't got around to a download yet.  And it's not
AIM compatible, as it works through its host payment system.


> Ian - would you care to share some insights on this? Is it ready for
> prime time or just a proof-of-concept? Any known issues?

Over to Ian G.

iang
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:21:04 +0500
Subject: Sales and earnings correlate perfectly for market leader
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From iang at systemics.com  Tue Mar 15 11:50:54 2005
From: iang at systemics.com (Ian G)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:50:54 +0000
Subject: Encryption plugins for gaim
In-Reply-To: <20050315191448.GY980@smtp.paip.net>
References: <20050314061904.GA14354@lola.aquick.org> <423706AE.3040101@systemics.com> <20050315185419.GA23656@jabber.org> <20050315191448.GY980@smtp.paip.net>
Message-ID: <42373C9E.7080505@systemics.com>

Ian Goldberg wrote:
>>...Unfortunately
>>the original Jabber developers did not build encryption in from the
>>beginning and the existing methods have not been implemented widely
>>(OpenPGP over Jabber) or are not very Jabberish (RFC 3923), so we need
>>to improve what we have. Contributions welcome. See here for pointers:
>>
>>http://www.saint-andre.com/blog/2005-03.html#2005-03-15T11:23
> 
> 
> OTR works over Jabber today.  Granted, it's not very "Jabberish" (as far
> as I understand the term; I don't know the Jabber protocol very well):
> it just replaces the text of the message with ciphertext.  [gaim, at
> least, doesn't seem to have a way to construct a more "Jabberish"
> message, as far as I could tell.]

My thoughts are similar.  When I first got into the
design, I thought that the privacy aspects of the
protocol would be integral with the messaging system,
but that proved to be not the case.

For several reasons, I think the privacy layer is
going to end up being totally divorced from the messaging
layer.  As a stab at these:

    *  there are many messaging systems, and there are
       efforts at integrating these, so any decent
       privacy layer has to think about hops,
    *  we desperately want to preserve many messaging
       systems in violent competition,
    *  any privacy layer that involves a "decrypt at
       server and then re-encrypt" is not a privacy
       layer, as the threat is 99.9% at the node
       (all three - alice, bob, server) and not on
       the wire,
    *  involving the server in any identity and privacy
       concerns brings up conflicts such as asking the
       server to know who the user is, excrow, liability,...,
    *  messaging systems move at different paces and
       incorporating crypto into them may result in
       yoyo behaviour for safe chat - there today,
       gone tomorrow on the new alpha,
    *  the final authentication - alice of bob and v.v.
       - is something that is best done divorced from the
       lowtech as much as possible, so that means some
       sort of plugin and leveraging off pgp-style WoT.
       Integrating that step into the messaging system
       gives you "S/MIME authentication" which doesn't
       scale.

That was scratched off without pause...

Hence, my own efforts will probably go in these two
parallel directions:

     *  opportunistic key exchange followed by chat
        in SDP1 over SOX.  (Note that SOX is also
        encrypted client-to-server so for much of
        the journey packets will be doubly encrypted,
        but end-to-end is the target).  This method
        will be integrated and fast but lack user
        authentication.  This is uninteresting to
        anyone outside the SOX world.
     *  OpenPGP packets without any interference,
        and a sort of plugin ability to bootstrap
        a fast key exchange, with fingerprint display.
        Key signing to follow later...  Now this is
        much more interesting as conceivably the same
        protocol would (once designed!) work over
        email, Jabber, AIM, etc.  At least, that would
        be the intention.



> I'd be more than happy to help Jabber-ify the OTR protocol.  The reason
> we designed OTR was exactly that the GPG-over-IM solutions have
> semantics that don't match those of a private conversation: you have
> long-term encryption keys, as well as digital signatures on messages.


I'm not sure what this obsession with digital signatures
over messages is.  That probably wants to be unwound.  If
people are "signing a contract" over chat or indeed email,
then they probably need a lot more support in the tech and
a lot more warning, training, and legal support as to the
ramifications.  C.f.,
http://www.financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000250.html

I agree that encrypting a chat message straight GPG/OpenPGP-
over-IM would probably be clunky.  I was more envisaging
using OpenPGP to handle the clunky key exchange and then
go fast from there.


> You don't *want* Bob to be able to prove to Charlie that Alice said what
> she did.  [Yet you want Bob to be himself assured of Alice's
> authorship.]  And a compromise of Bob's computer tomorrow should not
> expose today's messages.
> 
> OTR also adds a couple of extra features (malleable encryption,
> publishing of the MAC keys, a toolkit for forging transcripts) to help
> Alice claim that someone's putting words in her mouth.


(Note however that my efforts are towards integrating
two separate disparate systems - payments and IM - and
I am less concerned with the privacy aspects as Ian
Goldberg is.  This is one area where I'm adopting a
wait and see attitude because I'm not convinced that
this is an entirely tech issue.  But whichever, when
we get to that stage there is nothing wrong with doing
several possibilities.)

iang (the other other one)
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From m2n-c2-cryptography at velvet.com  Wed Mar 16 10:04:38 2005
From: m2n-c2-cryptography at velvet.com (Really jbash at velvet.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:04:38 -0800
Subject: Encryption plugins for gaim 
In-Reply-To: <20050315161737.GA25561@yzma.clarkk.net> 
References: <20050315161737.GA25561@yzma.clarkk.net> 
Message-ID: <20050316180438.CA9E0386E1A@chodaboy.velvet.com>

> If you want encryption with authentication, there's the gaim-encryption
> plugin. I get the feeling gaim-otr is for more specific circumstances.

Actually, the only "specific circumstance" that OTR is really aimed at
is the IM environment. That is, it's an encryption scheme specifically
designed for the mode of use you'd most expect to see in IM, and it's
intended to be a complete answer for general-purpose one-to-one IM
communication.

The forward deniability is a special feature, but all the other features
you'd want are in there... including authentication between the parties
at the time the message is sent. From the point of view of the two
communicating parties, OTR has basically the same privacy and
authenticity guarantees as gaim-encryption, with forward deniability
added in.

The OTR project is trying to get OTR included in as many IM clients
as possible, with the idea of making it the de facto standard for
IM encryption.

I'd say it's ready for real use, although it's by no means static; there
are things that are known to still need to be added to the protocol.

                                                -- jbash

PS: Sorry about the weird "From" address... I read the list through a
news gateway, and this is the only way to get a post accepted.


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From ward at pasadena.com  Wed Mar 16 08:52:12 2005
From: ward at pasadena.com (ward at pasadena.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:52:12 -0500
Subject: Continental GD
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From gil_hamilton at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 17 06:28:26 2005
From: gil_hamilton at hotmail.com (Gil Hamilton)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:28:26 +0000
Subject: Test
Message-ID: <BAY103-F1468DD85F5BC57CB150861E6490@phx.gbl>

Test - please ignore.

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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Mar 17 10:04:33 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:04:33 +0100
Subject: Major PC Makers Adopt Trusted Computing Schema 
Message-ID: <20050317180433.GH17303@leitl.org>

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/17/140224
Posted by: Zonk, on 2005-03-17 15:13:00

   from the can-I-borrow-a-cup-of-data? dept.
   An anonymous reader wrote to let us known about a News.com story
   regarding so-called [1]trusted computing, and its adoption by the
   major PC manufacturers. From the article: "The three largest computer
   makers--Dell, Hewlett-Packard and IBM--have started selling desktops
   and notebooks with so-called trusted computing hardware, which allows
   security-sensitive applications to lock down data to a specific PC."
   Interestingly, while Microsoft is said to be behind the idea support
   won't be forthcoming for trusted computing until they release Longhorn
   next year, making this a hardware-vendor lead initiative.


References

   1.
http://news.com.com/Hardware+security+sneaks+into+PCs/2100-7355_3-5619035.htm
l?tag=cd.lede

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From declan at well.com  Thu Mar 17 21:20:10 2005
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:20:10 -0500
Subject: [Politech] Computers Freedom and Privacy conference in Seattle from
 Apr 12-15 [priv]
Message-ID: <mailman.1195.1576007657.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

[Any Politechnicals going? I'm teaching a graduate public policy course
this semester -- the last class meets on April 16, so I'm not sure if
I'm going to be able to make it to Seattle. It would have to be a quick
trip, at least for me. --Declan]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	CFP - post to politech list?
Date: 	Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:09:40 -0800
From: 	Deborah Pierce <dsp at privacyactivism.org>
To: 	declan at well.com



Hi Declan,

Would you post this to your list.  I'd like to remind everyone to book
early for the conference while we still have the good rates and
discounts!  I've also highlighted a few of the panels that will take
place at this year's conference.

Thanks,
Deborah Pierce
PrivacyActivism
Chair, CFP2005

A _detailed program_ for the 15th annual ACM Conference on Computers,
Freedom, and Privacy is available on the _CFP2005 website_. CFP2005 will
be held at the Westin Hotel in Seattle, WA, April 12-15, 2005.

Discounted registration, and special conference rates at the Seattle
Westin  remain available through March 21, register before that date in
order to get the advance discounts.

This year's theme is _Panopticon_:

Over time, and particularly recently, surveillance of ordinary citizens
has increased to dramatic levels. Not only are governments watching more
aspects of their citizens' lives, but those in the private sector are
increasing surveillance of people as well. Often lost in the race to
"increase intelligence" are discussions about different approaches to
address problems like the threat of terrorism that are equally or more
effective, but do not involve extensive and constant surveillance.

The opening plenary debate focuses on "Sousveillance in the Panopticon?.
Panel members include _Dr. Steve Mann_, Director of the eyeTap Personal
Imaging Lab at the University of Toronto, known for his work in wearable
cameras and computing; _Dr. Latanya Sweeney_, Director of the _Data
Privacy Lab_ at Carnegie Mellon University; and _David Brin_, author of
/_The Transparent Society_/.
Some of the other sessions closely related to the Panopticon theme
include Terrorizing Privacy? European Developments and Counter
Strategies; Intelligent Video Surveillance; Observing Hidden
Surveillance Structures; and Art, Surveillance and the Internet.
Some of the other important topics include the role of blogging and
other nascent communications technology in promoting free speech,
explored in the session Unstoppable Speech (or, The Revolution Will Be
Podcast); a discussion of Economics of Privacy: Market or Regulation;
and The Accountable Internet: Establishing Trust While Preserving
Values. In addition to the plenary and breakout sessions, evening "Birds
of Feather" cover a wide range of topics.

As is traditional at CFP, Tuesday is dedicated to longer sessions. A
full-day Workshop on Vanishing Anonymity features over a dozen academic,
NGO, and private sector experts discussing authentication techniques,
customer, student, traveller and racial profiling, the implications of
new technologies such as sousveillance cameras and wearable computing,
RFIDs, biometrics, and internet protocols. Tutorials include Biometric
Basics, Identity Theft in 2005, International Copyright Law (featuring
participants from at least four continents), and _Mike Godwin_'s
legendary Constitutional Law in Cyberspace.

For those unable to attend in person, most sessions will be blogged, and
presentation materials will be available on the web soon after the
conference.
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From declan at well.com  Thu Mar 17 21:29:23 2005
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:29:23 -0500
Subject: [Politech] Anti-drug attorney's critique of police using "drug
 dogs" to invade privacy [priv[
Message-ID: <mailman.1196.1576007657.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Drug dogs curbed by state supreme court after US supreme court
let dogs out
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:12:52 -0500
From: rex <rexy at ij.net>
To: <lawyer at rexcurry.net>

Florida's Supreme Court let stand restrictions on drug dogs, after the U.S.
Supreme Court loosened leashes. http://rexcurry.net/drugdogsmain.html   The
nation's top court let cops take dogs fishing for drugs in Illinois v
Caballes.  Florida allows other avenues for relief in Florida v Matheson
http://rexcurry.net/drugdogsflorida.pdf (3-3-05) and the very libertarian
decision at http://rexcurry.net/drugdogs2dca.pdf (the appellate case
below).

I am the attorney who argued the original motion to suppress for Matheson.

Drug dogs are covers for lies.  Here's how -

1.  Cops tell drivers that they should consent to a search of their car
because radio dispatch "has a drug dog on the way over."  It is often a lie
told to induce drivers to consent to search.  There is no dog on the way.

2.  If a dog is or is not "on the way," cops add additional lies to make
drivers think that there will be a long wait and that the driver must stay
until a dog arrives.  Cops rely on driver ignorance of the fact that
evidence will be suppressed if drivers are detained longer than it takes to
complete the traffic stop (e.g. write the ticket). Drivers are induced to
consent to search to avoid a long wait based on lies.

3. If a dog is enroute, cops let drivers think that they are obliged to
stay
even when the cop has no reason to detain drivers any longer. The cop's
rationalization is that drivers loiter roadside with cops for no apparent
reason or because drivers enjoy waiting for dog sniffs. Cops take advantage
of drivers who are too stupid (or too meek) to ask if they are free to go,
so that drivers "consent" to unwarranted detention by not leaving.

4.  Cops lie about how long it is taking to write a ticket or to obtain a
radio response on a driver's license or tag check.  If a dog is actually on
the way, the cops will make sure that the ticket is written very slowly,
until the dog arrives.

5.  After the dog arrives, cops will lie and say that the dog alerted, even
if it didn't.   In that sense, it doesn't matter whether or not dogs are
well-trained or accurate, because dogs are often ruses for lies to violate
constitutional rights.

6. If a dog alerts and nothing is found, then cops will never record
that as
an error, but will claim that the dog detected lingering odors of
contraband
that were recently present.  Cops will testify that dogs never make
mistakes, never have and never will, and that apparent errors are skillful
detections of lingering (residual) odors of contraband.

Government's attitude toward your liberty is like a dog at a fire hydrant.

It is a reminder of the police-state tactics in the infamous Goose Creek
videotape of the government school in South Carolina where children were
forced to the floor in handcuffs and terrorized by dogs and cops with guns
drawn.  Nothing was found.

In other government schools, classes have been interrupted and the children
were marched out and lined up to be harassed by a dog.

yours in liberty,

Rex Curry
Attorney At Law

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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Mar 18 04:50:39 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:50:39 +0100
Subject: [Politech] Computers Freedom and Privacy conference in Seattle
  from Apr 12-15 [priv] (fwd from declan@well.com)
Message-ID: <20050318125039.GO17303@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com> -----


From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Mar 18 04:53:01 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:53:01 +0100
Subject: [Politech] Anti-drug attorney's critique of police using "drug
  dogs" to invade privacy [priv[ (fwd from declan@well.com)
Message-ID: <20050318125301.GQ17303@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com> -----


From mv at cdc.gov  Sat Mar 19 11:11:25 2005
From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret))
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:11:25 -0800
Subject: on FPGAs vs ASICs
Message-ID: <423C795D.79C0E5D0@cdc.gov>

Tyler, Riad, etc:

FPGAs are used in telecom because the volumes do not support an ASIC
run.
Riad doesn't seem to appreciate this.  He does understand that an ASIC
is more
efficient because its gates are used only for 1 computation, rather than
most
(FPGA) gates being used for reconfigurability ---useful if you can't
afford
an ASIC run (a million bucks a mask...) or if algorithms get tweaked
(eg you release before the Spec comes out, or you are shooting for
time-to-market).  Clockwise an FPGA wastes time in extra wire routing
although since an FPGA may be made in state of the art processes,
and your ASIC may not, its a complex tradeoff.  (Albeit some circuit
topologies
work very well on FPGAs)

So for the Cypherpunk wanting hardware (vs cluster) acceleration, FPGAs
are the way to go.  For TLAs, you prototype in FPGAs of course, and
then make some chips in your private fab.  (Same for Broadcom, etc.)

For someone making 10,000 routers, you use FPGAs.

DESCrack was solving a problem for which the x86 is not very efficient
at computing --all the sub-byte bit-diddling-- and hardware is very
efficient
(by design in DES, after all).




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Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:54:25 -0500
Subject: WFUR Community Asc.
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From rsw at jfet.org  Sat Mar 19 19:46:22 2005
From: rsw at jfet.org (Riad S. Wahby)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:46:22 -0600
Subject: on FPGAs vs ASICs
In-Reply-To: <423C795D.79C0E5D0@cdc.gov>
References: <423C795D.79C0E5D0@cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <20050320034622.GA8396@positron.jfet.org>

"Major Variola (ret)" <mv at cdc.gov> wrote:
> Riad doesn't seem to appreciate this.

Of course I do.  I'm saying that for our purposes (a dedicated
hashcracker) we want an ASIC.  Whether we can afford one or not is
another question (obviously if we can't, we buy the best FPGA we can).

...or are we no longer assuming an adversary with unlimited resources?

-- 
Riad S. Wahby
rsw at jfet.org




From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Sat Mar 19 22:49:47 2005
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:49:47 -0800
Subject: on FPGAs vs ASICs
In-Reply-To: <423C795D.79C0E5D0@cdc.gov>
References: <423C795D.79C0E5D0@cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050319223657.046ec618@pop.idiom.com>

At 11:11 AM 3/19/2005, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>  ---useful if you can't afford an ASIC run (a million bucks a mask...)

...
>For someone making 10,000 routers, you use FPGAs.
>
>DESCrack was solving a problem for which the x86 is not very efficient
>at computing --all the sub-byte bit-diddling--
>and hardware is very efficient (by design in DES, after all).

EFF's DESCrack cost $200K in 1998 and used ASICs.
(It's really only six years since we killed off single-DES!)
There were 1500 DES-cracker ASIC chips in it.

ASICs may cost a bit more today - Moore's Law helps,
but it also means that chip designs can become
larger and more complex, though code-cracker applications
have a lot of uniformity in their design,
and we've got six more years of experience
building ASIC cell libraries that can be reused.
I suspect a similar-sized machine would cost a similar amount
but have a lot more DES functional units in it.

FPGAs probably make more sense for routers,
because you want the ability to change the firmware more often,
and a router has a bunch of other parts as well,
and realistically, cypher-cracking is not an
economically viable activity for most people,
so the cost-benefit tradeoffs are a bit twisted.




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 20 14:44:01 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:44:01 -0500
Subject: on FPGAs vs ASICs
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050319223657.046ec618@pop.idiom.com>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F406A2CD147BDF49960DF619B4C0@phx.gbl>

>FPGAs probably make more sense for routers,
>because you want the ability to change the firmware more often,
>and a router has a bunch of other parts as well,
>and realistically, cypher-cracking is not an
>economically viable activity for most people,
>so the cost-benefit tradeoffs are a bit twisted.

The router world seems to use a good mixture. At a startup we were 
purchasing nice off-the-shelf MPLS ASICs, which did MPLS route setup and 
forwarding (and some enforcement) while the 'software'/control plane (eg, 
OSPF, RSVP-TE, etc...) was largely in FPGAs of our own brew.

At that time (ca, 2000/2001) some vendors were starting to push net 
processors, which were somewhere in between, and at the time just weren't 
quite fast enough for ASIC-busting applications and not quite flexible 
enough for FPGA-ish applications. Now, however, I'd bet net processors are 
very effective for metro-edge applications.

What I suspect is that there's already some crypto net processors out there, 
though they may be classified, or the commercial equivalent (ie, I assume 
there are 'classified' catalogs from companies like General Dynamics that 
normal clients never see). They can periodically upgrade the code when they 
discover that some new form of stego (for instance) has become in-vogue at 
Al Qaeda.

These won't be Variola Suitcase-type applications, though, but perhaps for 
special situations where they know the few locations in Cobble Hill Brooklyn 
they want to monitor and decrypt.

-TD




From smb at cs.columbia.edu  Sun Mar 20 17:30:03 2005
From: smb at cs.columbia.edu (Steven M. Bellovin)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:30:03 -0500
Subject: Encryption plugins for gaim 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:20:48 CST."
             <20050315192048.GA25086@jabber.org> 
Message-ID: <20050321013003.4CB963BFF12@berkshire.machshav.com>

In message <20050315192048.GA25086 at jabber.org>, Peter Saint-Andre writes:
>On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 02:02:31PM -0500, Adam Fields wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 12:54:19PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> > Why not help us make Jabber/XMPP more secure, rather than overloading
>> > AIM? With AIM/MSN/Yahoo your account will always exist at the will of
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I already have a large network of people who use AIM,
>> and >they< all each have large networks of people who use AIM. Many of
>> them still use the AIM client. Getting them to switch to gaim is
>> feasible. Getting them to switch to Jabber is not. However, getting
>> them to switch to gaim first, and then ultimately Jabber might be an
>> option. Frankly, the former is more important to me in the short
>> term.
>
>Yep, the same old story. :-)
>
>> > AOL, whereas with XMPP you can run your own server etc. Unfortunately
>> 
>> Does "can" == "have to"? From what I remember of trying to run Jabber
>> a few years ago, it did.
>
>No, we have 200k registered users on the jabber.org server and some
>servers have even more. You can run your own server, though, and accept
>connections only from other servers you trust, etc.
>

Let me second the recommendation for jabber (though I wish the code 
quality of some of the components were better).  The protocol itself 
supports TLS for client-to-server encryption; you can also have AIM (or 
other IM) gateways on that server.  In many situations (i.e., 
wireless), it protects the most vulnerable link from eavesdropping.  
While clearly not as good as end-to-end encryption, it's far better 
than nothing, especially in high-threat environments such as the 
IETF...  (Of course, I only know of one open source client -- psi -- 
that checks the server certificate.)  In theory, server-to-server 
communications can also be TLS-protected, though I don't know if any 
platforms support that.

On top of any other encryption, many implementations support PGP 
encryption between correspondents.  I don't know of any support for 
e2e-encrypted chat rooms.

I haven't played with OTR, nor am I convinced of the threat model.  
That said, what you really need to watch out for is the transcript 
files on your own machine...

		--Prof. Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb



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From eugen at leitl.org  Sun Mar 20 13:18:40 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:18:40 +0100
Subject: Contrabandwidth
Message-ID: <20050320211840.GH17303@leitl.org>

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/20/181240
Posted by: timothy, on 2005-03-20 18:02:00

   from the most-places-bad dept.
   [1]tcd004 writes "Kate Palmer writes in Foreign Policy Magazine that
   an [2]international black market for Internet access has arisen in
   many authoritarian countries who keep their populations offline. Savvy
   black marketers in cybercafes, universities, private homes, and
   elsewhere are exploiting technological loopholes to circumvent
   government filters and charge fees for access. According to [3]OpenNet
   Initiative, a nonprofit that tracks banned sites, visiting a single
   website in Saudi Arabia can cost anywhere from $26 to $67. And as
   censorship spreads, the prices are only going up." It's just a few
   paragraphs, but thought provoking.

References

   1. http://www.lostbrain.com/
   2. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2787
   3. http://www.opennetinitiative.net/

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From ptrei at rsasecurity.com  Mon Mar 21 06:49:12 2005
From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:49:12 -0500
Subject: FW: on FPGAs vs ASICs
Message-ID: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776CFE@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>

>From Major Variola (ret)

> Tyler, Riad, etc:
 
> FPGAs are used in telecom because the volumes do not support an ASIC
> run.
> Riad doesn't seem to appreciate this.  He does understand that an ASIC
> is more
> efficient because its gates are used only for 1 computation, 
> rather than
> most
> (FPGA) gates being used for reconfigurability ---useful if you can't
> afford
> an ASIC run (a million bucks a mask...) or if algorithms get tweaked
> (eg you release before the Spec comes out, or you are shooting for
> time-to-market).  Clockwise an FPGA wastes time in extra wire routing
> although since an FPGA may be made in state of the art processes,
> and your ASIC may not, its a complex tradeoff.  (Albeit some circuit
> topologies
> work very well on FPGAs)
> 
> So for the Cypherpunk wanting hardware (vs cluster) 
> acceleration, FPGAs
> are the way to go.  For TLAs, you prototype in FPGAs of course, and
> then make some chips in your private fab.  (Same for Broadcom, etc.)
> 
> For someone making 10,000 routers, you use FPGAs.
> 
> DESCrack was solving a problem for which the x86 is not very efficient
> at computing --all the sub-byte bit-diddling-- and hardware is very
> efficient
> (by design in DES, after all).

Indeed, during the initial DESCrack effort, I spent some time
investigating FPGAs. I came to the conclusion that it was
definitely possible to build a Weiner-style pipeline machine
(ie, one key tested per clock cycle), but it would be more
costly than I could afford. 

One of the interesting twists of FPGAs is that you can
optimize the circuit to the actual data being processed. 
For example, in DES keysearch you could hardwire into
the circuit some of the subkey bits (which were determined
by, say, high order key bits you rarely changed), thus
simplifying the circuit. When those bits changed, you
re-wrote the circuilt.

Peter Trei




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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:34:45 -0500
Subject: Worldwide TSJ
Message-ID: <137913975.14656649528799@indiana.com>

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From mv at cdc.gov  Mon Mar 21 18:34:07 2005
From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret))
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:34:07 -0800
Subject: FW: on FPGAs vs ASICs
Message-ID: <423F841F.67E5A187@cdc.gov>

At 05:44 PM 3/20/05 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
>What I suspect is that there's already some crypto net processors out
there,
>though they may be classified, or the commercial equivalent (ie, I
assume
>there are 'classified' catalogs from companies like General Dynamics
that
>normal clients never see).

I've programmed (well, microcoded) the Intel IXA family.   Some variants

of that family can do line-rate AES.  They can handle insane line rates,
thanks
to hardware everything and an array of hyperthreaded RISCs.   Not
at all classified.


At 09:49 AM 3/21/05 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote:
>One of the interesting twists of FPGAs is that you can
>optimize the circuit to the actual data being processed.
>For example, in DES keysearch you could hardwire into
>the circuit some of the subkey bits (which were determined
>by, say, high order key bits you rarely changed), thus
>simplifying the circuit. When those bits changed, you
>re-wrote the circuilt.

Its quite possible that reconfigurability is part of the future.
Your N-way x86 die will come with a few hundred thou reconfigurable
gates, which you'll reconfigure to do your Photoshop or MPEG
or rendering or speech recognition or modular exponentiation
tasks.   Obviously this is a big change and there's a lot of software
support required (from OS to app) to make it happen.  Also
there are fascinating tech problems in coupling the reconfig hardware
to high bandwidth data flows, required to keep it busy.  But the
benefits
are substantial.

Tangentially,
I should note that there are "modes of encryption" which can be scaled
infinitely
with parallel hardware; they use interleaved blocks so each chip sees
every Nth
block of the real stream.  So high clock rates are not required to
crypt.

It seems that hashing can be parallelized that way too, run a hash-chip
on
every Nth bit, and hash those partial results.   Both ends have to agree

on the N-way division (as with the infinitely scalable crypto) but
that's all.
With regular hashing (and attacks thereof that require grinding out a
lot
of hashes in order to find a collision, to go back to the original
topic)
single-chip parallel hardware hacks could speed things up, but (given
that modern hashes
are designed for CPUs, like AES) I don't ever expect to see DESCrack
like
gains there.

And while TD keeps alluding to the DESCrack suitcase, I'll point out
that a GSM Cracker
could fit in your carry-on luggage nowadays.   Every 'embassy' ought to
have one :-)




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From lloyd at randombit.net  Tue Mar 22 09:42:04 2005
From: lloyd at randombit.net (Jack Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:42:04 -0700
Subject: FW: on FPGAs vs ASICs
In-Reply-To: <423F841F.67E5A187@cdc.gov>
References: <423F841F.67E5A187@cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <20050322174204.GA4156@randombit.net>

On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 06:34:07PM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

> Tangentially, I should note that there are "modes of encryption" which can be
> scaled infinitely with parallel hardware; they use interleaved blocks so each
> chip sees every Nth block of the real stream.  So high clock rates are not
> required to crypt.

Counter mode works this way, and is a fairly common mode in any case.

> It seems that hashing can be parallelized that way too, run a hash-chip on
> every Nth bit, and hash those partial results.  Both ends have to agree on
> the N-way division (as with the infinitely scalable crypto) but that's all.

Depending on the interconnect it would probably be faster to do it in blocks of
8-64k, doing it a bit at a time would eat your standard PCI bus alive.

There are message authentication modes which can scale 'infinitely' (assuming a
sufficiently long message), and don't depend on the number of functional units,
so for example I could generate a MAC using my regular single core CPU and you
could verify it on a machine with N functional units with a cooresponding
speedup of N (modulo some fixed per-message overhead) without us having to
agree on anything in advance. For example there is the MAC used in Rogoway's
OCB. Unfortunately most (all?) of these algorithms have been patented.

-Jack




From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Tue Mar 22 14:21:11 2005
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:21:11 -0800
Subject: Great Firewall of China Doesn't Stop Zombies
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050322141557.07b1fc70@pop.idiom.com>

http://www.theregister.com/2005/03/21/botnet_charts/

The Register took a look at the recent Honeynet Project's
listing of where zombies live - apparently the UK
slightly exceeds the US in total zombie count,
each with about 25% of the zombies that were detected.

But third place was interesting - it's China, with 7.6% of the zombies.
Everybody makes such a big deal about China's Great Firewall,
which is supposed to censor people looking for Ungood Thoughts,
but apparently it not only doesn't stop spammers,
it doesn't stop zombies either.

And Korea's a disappointing 9th place in the list;
you'd think that one of the most heavily-wired countries
in the world could do better than that.




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From: stutotoacfbdl at quiknet.com (Cecile Sands)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:10:03 -0700
Subject: this is a good time to buy
In-Reply-To: <%RND_ALFABET@oreka.com>
References: <%RND_ALFABET@oreka.com>
Message-ID: <917308072823.APB01738@actinide.svn.net>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Mar 22 06:48:19 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:48:19 +0100
Subject: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA? 
Message-ID: <20050322144819.GV17303@leitl.org>

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/21/1937206
Posted by: timothy, on 2005-03-21 23:11:00

   from the if-you-have-nothing-to-hide dept.
   [1]NevDull writes "As creepy as it may be to deal with identity theft
   from corporate databases, [2]imagine being swabbed for DNA samples as
   a suspect in a crime, being vindicated by that sample, and never even
   being told why you were suspected. This article discusses a man, Roger
   Valadez, who's fighting both to have his DNA sample and its profile
   purged from government records, and to find out why he and his DNA
   were searched in the BTK case. DA Nola Foulston said, 'I think some
   people are overwrought about their concerns.' -- convenient as she
   wasn't the one probed without explanation. The article then mentions
   that 'In California, police will be able in 2008 to take DNA samples
   from anyone arrested for a felony, whether the person is convicted or
   not, under a law approved by voters in November.' What will be the
   disposition of the DNA of the innocent?"


References

   1. http://www.funkytests.com/
   2.
http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=1007713
&tw=wn_wire_story

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______________________________________________________________
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 22 13:02:19 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:02:19 -0500
Subject: FW: on FPGAs vs ASICs
In-Reply-To: <423F841F.67E5A187@cdc.gov>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F2088815DB5D53766CBD2439B4E0@phx.gbl>

How much off-the-shelf crypto IP is available to be plopped on a crypto net 
processor? Are their stego detection/cracking Development kits and so on?

-TD

>From: "Major Variola (ret)" <mv at cdc.gov>
>To: "cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net" <cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net>
>Subject: Re: FW: on FPGAs vs ASICs
>Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:34:07 -0800
>
>At 05:44 PM 3/20/05 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
> >What I suspect is that there's already some crypto net processors out
>there,
> >though they may be classified, or the commercial equivalent (ie, I
>assume
> >there are 'classified' catalogs from companies like General Dynamics
>that
> >normal clients never see).
>
>I've programmed (well, microcoded) the Intel IXA family.   Some variants
>
>of that family can do line-rate AES.  They can handle insane line rates,
>thanks
>to hardware everything and an array of hyperthreaded RISCs.   Not
>at all classified.
>
>
>At 09:49 AM 3/21/05 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote:
> >One of the interesting twists of FPGAs is that you can
> >optimize the circuit to the actual data being processed.
> >For example, in DES keysearch you could hardwire into
> >the circuit some of the subkey bits (which were determined
> >by, say, high order key bits you rarely changed), thus
> >simplifying the circuit. When those bits changed, you
> >re-wrote the circuilt.
>
>Its quite possible that reconfigurability is part of the future.
>Your N-way x86 die will come with a few hundred thou reconfigurable
>gates, which you'll reconfigure to do your Photoshop or MPEG
>or rendering or speech recognition or modular exponentiation
>tasks.   Obviously this is a big change and there's a lot of software
>support required (from OS to app) to make it happen.  Also
>there are fascinating tech problems in coupling the reconfig hardware
>to high bandwidth data flows, required to keep it busy.  But the
>benefits
>are substantial.
>
>Tangentially,
>I should note that there are "modes of encryption" which can be scaled
>infinitely
>with parallel hardware; they use interleaved blocks so each chip sees
>every Nth
>block of the real stream.  So high clock rates are not required to
>crypt.
>
>It seems that hashing can be parallelized that way too, run a hash-chip
>on
>every Nth bit, and hash those partial results.   Both ends have to agree
>
>on the N-way division (as with the infinitely scalable crypto) but
>that's all.
>With regular hashing (and attacks thereof that require grinding out a
>lot
>of hashes in order to find a collision, to go back to the original
>topic)
>single-chip parallel hardware hacks could speed things up, but (given
>that modern hashes
>are designed for CPUs, like AES) I don't ever expect to see DESCrack
>like
>gains there.
>
>And while TD keeps alluding to the DESCrack suitcase, I'll point out
>that a GSM Cracker
>could fit in your carry-on luggage nowadays.   Every 'embassy' ought to
>have one :-)




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 22 13:10:05 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:10:05 -0500
Subject: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
In-Reply-To: <20050322144819.GV17303@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F31784ED44E4DD121CE15B9B4E0@phx.gbl>

Easy to see where that's headed:

1. Joe Cypherpunk is doing 54 on Rt 95.
2. "Cops" (or guys in a black car claiming to be local cops) stop Joe, make 
arrest based on "speeding" or what have you.
3. Cops take DNA sample.
4. 2 weeks later Noam Chomsky is murdered.
5. Hey! Joe Cypherpunk's DNA has been found all over the scene of the crime.
6. Joe Cypherpunk is executed...that bastard! Murdering such a valued member 
of society....MIT professor and all that. Papers report that Cypherpunk Joe 
had once tried to become an MIT professor but never got on the tenure track. 
Clearly, he had a vendetta.

-TD

>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
>Subject: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA? Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 
>15:48:19 +0100
>
>Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/21/1937206
>Posted by: timothy, on 2005-03-21 23:11:00
>
>    from the if-you-have-nothing-to-hide dept.
>    [1]NevDull writes "As creepy as it may be to deal with identity theft
>    from corporate databases, [2]imagine being swabbed for DNA samples as
>    a suspect in a crime, being vindicated by that sample, and never even
>    being told why you were suspected. This article discusses a man, Roger
>    Valadez, who's fighting both to have his DNA sample and its profile
>    purged from government records, and to find out why he and his DNA
>    were searched in the BTK case. DA Nola Foulston said, 'I think some
>    people are overwrought about their concerns.' -- convenient as she
>    wasn't the one probed without explanation. The article then mentions
>    that 'In California, police will be able in 2008 to take DNA samples
>    from anyone arrested for a felony, whether the person is convicted or
>    not, under a law approved by voters in November.' What will be the
>    disposition of the DNA of the innocent?"
>
>
>References
>
>    1. http://www.funkytests.com/
>    2.
>http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=1007713
>&tw=wn_wire_story
>
>----- End forwarded message -----
>--
>Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
>______________________________________________________________
>ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144            http://www.leitl.org
>8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
>http://moleculardevices.org         http://nanomachines.net
>
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From justin-cypherpunks at soze.net  Tue Mar 22 08:51:41 2005
From: justin-cypherpunks at soze.net (Justin)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:51:41 +0000
Subject: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
In-Reply-To: <20050322144819.GV17303@leitl.org>
References: <20050322144819.GV17303@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <20050322165141.GA11092@arion.soze.net>

On 2005-03-22T15:48:19+0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/21/1937206
> Posted by: timothy, on 2005-03-21 23:11:00
> 
>    from the if-you-have-nothing-to-hide dept.
>    [1]NevDull writes "As creepy as it may be to deal with identity theft
>    from corporate databases, [2]imagine being swabbed for DNA samples as

When they take DNA samples, they use a handful of restriction enzymes
and then blot the resulting dna chains.  How do they digitize that to
enable automated searching?  What kind of tolerances do they use?  Do
they shift the blots vertically and compress or expand one of them to
get the best match?  What kinds of error margins does the digitization
process introduce?

I think privacy advocates are going overboard.  I don't like DNA
collection either, but there's no way a criminal can use southern blot
profile data from a database to either compromise the individual's
privacy or plant evidence at another crime scene.

What's disturbing is that most entities that collect DNA keep the
original tissue samples in storage.  How long will it be until full DNA
sequencing becomes cheap enough that they use it in serious cases
(murder)?  Craig Venter still has a standing offer to sequence wealthy
individuals' DNA for $1 mil, doesn't he?  Or was it a few million... I
don't recall.  They'd only need to sequence one chromosome, too, which
should reduce costs.  What's the actual cost of sequencing, per kb or mb
(basepair, not bit)?

-- 
Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who
have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for
anything else thereafter.           --Hemingway, Esquire, April 1936




From dgerow at afflictions.org  Tue Mar 22 15:00:45 2005
From: dgerow at afflictions.org (Damian Gerow)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:00:45 -0500
Subject: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
In-Reply-To: <BAY24-F31784ED44E4DD121CE15B9B4E0@phx.gbl>
References: <20050322144819.GV17303@leitl.org>
  <BAY24-F31784ED44E4DD121CE15B9B4E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050322230044.GF53316@afflictions.org>

Thus spake Tyler Durden (camera_lumina at hotmail.com) [22/03/05 16:12]:
: Easy to see where that's headed:
: 
: 1. Joe Cypherpunk is doing 54 on Rt 95.
: 2. "Cops" (or guys in a black car claiming to be local cops) stop Joe, make 
: arrest based on "speeding" or what have you.
: 3. Cops take DNA sample.
: 4. 2 weeks later Noam Chomsky is murdered.
: 5. Hey! Joe Cypherpunk's DNA has been found all over the scene of the crime.
: 6. Joe Cypherpunk is executed...that bastard! Murdering such a valued 
: member of society....MIT professor and all that. Papers report that 
: Cypherpunk Joe had once tried to become an MIT professor but never got on 
: the tenure track. Clearly, he had a vendetta.

Uh-oh.  Does this mean that my tinfoil hat isn't good enough anymore?  Will
I have to don a complete neoprene suit to make sure I leave no trace of
myself anywhere from now on?




From auwsdr at kukamail.com  Tue Mar 22 12:34:15 2005
From: auwsdr at kukamail.com (Hollis Hagen)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:34:15 +0400
Subject: shares of this corp. are too cheap
In-Reply-To: <%RND_ALFABET@pakcenter.com>
References: <%RND_ALFABET@pakcenter.com>
Message-ID: <564554563115.WIM84849@freight.kichimail.com>

Targeting hurricane recovery contracts

GRDX just started trading.

Targeting hundreds of Millions in damage from recent hurricane Season

Vo|ume raising steadi|y due to recent Re|ease of St0ck 

Analysis:

Ticker: GRDX
Price on Monday 3/14/O5: .24 cents
Price on this Monday 3/21/05: 48 cents

Grand Lux, Inc. (StOck Symb0| GRDX)

Short-Term Target: $.92
15-Month Target: $2.10

Long -Term Assessment: Excel|ent

Severe Damage Occurred from Hurricanes, 
GRDX can take advantage of major rebuilding Contracts.
Grand Lux, Inc (GRDX) is a company that focuses on upsca|e real estate 
deve|opment 
with an emphasis on new and existing marinas. 
As boat damage from 2004 Hurricane season approaches 7O0 mil|ion 
do|lars, 
many marinas along the eastern part of the US remain in questionab|e 
condition 
despite escaping direct path of many of the storms. 
GRDX recent|y partnered with the manufacturer of a new molding. 
Their new molding is 1/3 the cost of concrete cement and can withstand 
hurricane winds of 4OO mph. 

The Industry

About 43OO commercial marinas are in operation in the US alone (not 
including private yacht clubs) 
which has combined annual revenues of over 3 billion do||ars. 
The need for repair and retrofitting of existing marinas in the US and 
abroad are reaching all time highs. 
This demand is sparking mi||ions of dollars in new business for the 
industry. 

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From bgstjux at djphilipperochard.ch  Wed Mar 23 05:16:48 2005
From: bgstjux at djphilipperochard.ch (Cameron Glover)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:16:48 -0600
Subject: Unbiased info for investor intelligence
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Secured Data Inc. (SCRE)	
Emerging Leader In Chinese Export of Pharmaceuticals!
Tota| Shares Issued & Outstanding: 90,O0O,OOO EST
Current Price: O.10
2004 Success lead into an exciting 20O5.

Secured Data Inc. announced in December the closing of a transaction 
for the acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Joint Stock Company.

Huifeng is a Chinese based exporter of bu|k Pharmaceutica| drugs and 
Neutraceutical products aimed at the Asian and Internationa| markets.

Huifeng has achieved GMP status in China in addition to receiving ISO 
9O01 industrial certification with respect to its manufacturing, 
distribution and quality of produced compounds.

Inc|uded in the stab|e of compounds currently produced by Huifeng are:


Rutin NF11, Troxerutin Dab99, Quercetin 98%, L-Rhamnone, Diosimin Ep4, 
Be||adonna Ep4, Si|ymarin dab10, Hesperidin, Matrine, Oxymatrine, 
phytostero|, Stigmasterol, Pueraria, Reseveratorl, Naringin, Baicalin 
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P.E., Red Clover P.E., Ch|orogenic acid, Gynostema Extract, Fructucs 
Aurantii P.E.,


Acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Leads to Goa| of Major Corporate 
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Huifeng Biochemistry was formed in the year 2000 with a view to become 
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Secured Data Inc. stands to benefit from this acquisition through the 
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Estimated revenues for 20O4-20O5 are more then  $100 milliOn USD

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From xmceplk at nayzak.com  Wed Mar 23 00:51:13 2005
From: xmceplk at nayzak.com (Jerald Hannah)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:51:13 -0100
Subject: invest in winners
Message-ID: <769805540918.DBJ85483@bishop.netease.com>

Targeting hurricane recovery contracts

GRDX just started trading.

Targeting hundreds of Millions in damage from recent hurricane Season

Volume raising steadily due to recent Re|ease of StOck 

Ana|ysis:

Ticker: GRDX
Price on Monday 3/14/05: .24 cents
Price on this Monday 3/21/05: 48 cents

Grand Lux, Inc. (StOck Symb0l GRDX)

Short-Term Target: $.92
15-Month Target: $2.1O

Long -Term Assessment: Excel|ent

Severe Damage Occurred from Hurricanes, 
GRDX can take advantage of major rebui|ding Contracts.
Grand Lux, Inc (GRDX) is a company that focuses on upscale rea| estate 
development 
with an emphasis on new and existing marinas. 
As boat damage from 2O04 Hurricane season approaches 70O mil|ion 
do|lars, 
many marinas along the eastern part of the US remain in questionab|e 
condition 
despite escaping direct path of many of the storms. 
GRDX recently partnered with the manufacturer of a new molding. 
Their new mo|ding is 1/3 the cost of concrete cement and can withstand 
hurricane winds of 4OO mph. 

The Industry

About 4300 commercial marinas are in operation in the US a|one (not 
including private yacht c|ubs) 
which has combined annual revenues of over 3 billion do||ars. 
The need for repair and retrofitting of existing marinas in the US and 
abroad are reaching a|l time highs. 
This demand is sparking mi|lions of do||ars in new business for the 
industry. 

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From borigmqpebo at sunrisetkd.com  Wed Mar 23 03:02:41 2005
From: borigmqpebo at sunrisetkd.com (borigmqpebo at sunrisetkd.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:02:41 -0300
Subject: L.A Times : InkJet cartridge market in 2005
Message-ID: <3m5jk5026641682fafrysvqwicu984400837732@srwcon.com>

Attention Investors and traders:

ST0CK ALERT - 
 
Updated: 4/22/05  O9:23 AM EST

Adsero Corp (ADS0) is a leader in the printer cartridge "Recharger" Industry.
The recent acquisition of Teckn-O-Laser Global Inc - One of North America's leaders in the cartridge
remanufacturing industry, stations ADSER0 Corp in the forefront of this growing and lucrative market.

ADSO Stock Status - 
Last Sale:       1.O0 
52wk Range:      1.2O - 2.10

INVESTMENT CONSIDERATIONS:
- Profitable,with Quarter over Quarter Growth
- Acquisition of Teckn-O-Laser Global Inc with $3OM in Sales
- For three years, Teckn-O-Laser was named one of Canada�s 50 Best Managed Private Companies
- Domestic US Market is Estimated to be in Excess of $9 Billion by 2OO6
- Global Market is Estimated to be in Excess of $25 Billion

COMPANY PROFILE:
Adsero Corp. is a rapidly expanding Company focusing on the printer cartridge "Recharger"
Industry, with specific emphasis on Laser Toner,and to a lesser extent Ink Jet cartridges.
The Recharger Industry can be defined by printer cartridges where many of their components can
be reused, remanufactured or recycled, then marketed back to consumers at substantially lower
prices than a new cartridge while still generating high margins for the Company.
Aderso Corp. seeks to consolidate well-managed and profitable companies which address the highly
lucrative Recharger segment.

RECHARGER INDUSTRY PROFILE:
Total Market is Estimated to be in Excess of $25 Billion Globally
Specific specialization will be in the cartridge Recharger industry. The industry is currently very
fragmented with a large number of small players competing in a segment which is estimated to
grow in excess of US$9 billion by 2006.
In order to compete, players will need to achieve economies of scale and develop expanded sales
channels. Adsero Corp. will focus on consolidating this Industry to become the dominant player.

CONCLUSION:
Aderso Corp. is an attractive investment to small cap investors as it addresses a growing and very 
lucrative niche, has established multi-million dollar revenues, profitability,and all this while
helping to save the environment through Adsero's conscientious remanufacturing program.
As a serious player in the cartridge aftermarket, Industry, Adsero Corp. has demonstrated that it
has not only the technology, but also the strategic alliances, customers and record breaking
revenues to indicate that Adsero is truly on its way to becoming the dominant player in this Industry.

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From ptrei at rsasecurity.com  Wed Mar 23 06:35:56 2005
From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:35:56 -0500
Subject: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
Message-ID: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776D11@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>

Damian Gerow wrote:

> Thus spake Tyler Durden (camera_lumina at hotmail.com) [22/03/05 16:12]:
> : Easy to see where that's headed:
> : 
> : 1. Joe Cypherpunk is doing 54 on Rt 95.
> : 2. "Cops" (or guys in a black car claiming to be local 
> cops) stop Joe, make 
> : arrest based on "speeding" or what have you.
> : 3. Cops take DNA sample.
> : 4. 2 weeks later Noam Chomsky is murdered.
> : 5. Hey! Joe Cypherpunk's DNA has been found all over the 
> scene of the crime.
> : 6. Joe Cypherpunk is executed...that bastard! Murdering 
> such a valued 
> : member of society....MIT professor and all that. Papers report that 
> : Cypherpunk Joe had once tried to become an MIT professor 
> but never got on 
> : the tenure track. Clearly, he had a vendetta.
> 
> Uh-oh.  Does this mean that my tinfoil hat isn't good enough 
> anymore?  Will
> I have to don a complete neoprene suit to make sure I leave 
> no trace of
> myself anywhere from now on?

Go watch GATTACA (excellent movie) for this scenario.

Peter Trei




From dgerow at afflictions.org  Wed Mar 23 06:43:27 2005
From: dgerow at afflictions.org (Damian Gerow)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:43:27 -0500
Subject: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
In-Reply-To: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776D11@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>
References: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776D11@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>
Message-ID: <20050323144327.GR53316@afflictions.org>

Thus spake Trei, Peter (ptrei at rsasecurity.com) [23/03/05 09:38]:
: > Uh-oh.  Does this mean that my tinfoil hat isn't good enough 
: > anymore?  Will
: > I have to don a complete neoprene suit to make sure I leave 
: > no trace of
: > myself anywhere from now on?
: 
: Go watch GATTACA (excellent movie) for this scenario.

Yeah, but he eventually got found, didn't he?




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 23 07:27:27 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:27:27 -0500
Subject: Golden Triangle Drug Traffic Arbitrage?
In-Reply-To: <20050322230044.GF53316@afflictions.org>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F2259E80BB8C888FCF1376A9B4F0@phx.gbl>

Hey...had an interesting idea I've been discussing.

Actually, no way it's crypto but it's certainly markets/anarchy, so read on 
if you wish.

I'm thinking that that Drug Trafficking in the Golden Triangle might 
actually be a form of arbitrage.

Let me explain...

China pegs it's currency to US currency. With the dropping dollar, this 
means that there's going to be a larger and larger gap between 'reality' (as 
measured in the true cost of goods in a free market) and the pegged rate.

On Cypherpunks do I need to explain the idea that this difference will 
inevitably give rise to a big black market to exploit that difference? (I 
had a hard time explaining this to some younger Wall Street folks here.)

An interesting though I had last night was that the Drug trade in the Golden 
Triangle (Burma, China, Thailand, etc...) might exist for precisely this 
reason...in other words, as a form of arbitrage of sorts between the actual 
local cost of goods and services and manpower and exchange rates of the US 
dollar. Heroin is an ideal medium for arbitrage, as it's price is almost a 
pure function of supply and demand (as opposed to cost of material). It can 
fluctuate with the currency markets and as a result forms  a sort of 'common 
denominator' for translating local wealth back into international, 'real' 
wealth.

In other words, the drug trade is a direct result of government intervention 
in the currency markets.

Of course, if May were here (may his soul roast in the hell of lesser lists) 
he'd say this was 'obvious'...

Is it?

-TD

-TD




From morlockelloi at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 23 11:05:38 2005
From: morlockelloi at yahoo.com (Morlock Elloi)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:05:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
In-Reply-To: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776D11@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>
Message-ID: <20050323190538.29044.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com>

The simplest solution is to systematically spread one's DNA everywhere, thus
making 'discovery' of it meaningless.



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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 23 12:08:43 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:08:43 -0500
Subject: Golden Triangle Drug Traffic Arbitrage?
In-Reply-To: <dec756aea08e2a3058cfcf05ea0dfff5@ecn.org>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F3915F9A5F3D3DD518235DF9B4F0@phx.gbl>

Hey...I never said May was an idiot. In fact, quite the opposite. His issues 
with race and violence, I feel, don't emanate from stupidity by any means, 
but are rather codifications of some kind of issues into his thinking. Get 
him away from "human matters" and on the technical level he was normally 
very sharp.

However,....

>All commodities that exist outside of government regulation have prices
>that are functions of supply and demand.  Heroin is no different than
>any other commodity in that regard.  The notion that heroin has no cost
>of material is especially absurd.  Do you think they can just conjure
>it up out of thin air?  Nonsense.  Heroin, like any other commodity,
>has significant costs to create, and those are what controls its supply.

OK, I'm punting here, and I'm not an economist. BUT, my assumption is that 
the costs of production of heroin is far below it's actual street value. 
Indeed, this is why many 3rd world economies produce such drugs.


>If the yuan is actually cheaper than it should be because of being
>pegged to the dollar, there's a much easier way to take advantage of the
>arbitrage opportunity: simply buy goods in China and sell them in America.

Yes, that's precisely what the drug trade does.

>And guess what, thousands of Chinese export companies do just that,
>making money off the economic downhill slide that China has erected
>spanning the Pacific.  This effectively forces Chinese workers to be
>paid less than they are worth, decreasing their savings and acting as
>an economic stimulus for China as a whole.

Well, of course. What I'm driving at, however, is that a pegged yuan (or any 
currency) will have inevitable and unintended local consequences.

For instance, let's say a Chinese consumer wants to purchase US goods in 
China. Obviously, such goods will be extremely expensive. However, with a 
pegged rate, the price for such goods will no longer reflect the true 
differential in the price of (for instance) labor in the US and China. In 
other words, goods are more expensive then they have to be, due to an 
artificial "barrier" created by the pegged dollar:Yuan rate, and exporting 
legitimate goods becomes a very expensive way to buy those goods. More than 
this, the value of a local "yuan" (or what have you) is not what it could be 
if you (as an individual, not a nation) had direct access to foregin capital 
at a rate that truly reflects the differential in costs, efficiency, etc...

So what do you do? You export blackmarket goods for prices that reflect some 
sort of "reality". In addition, it probably allows local producers of other 
non-black-market items (some of which may not be exportable) to have access 
to foreign capital at the true going value, via various economic 
relationships with drug creators, etc....

Come to  think of it "arbitrage" is not the best term.

Of course, the actual growers and even exporters of heroin are completely 
unaware that their livelihoods are the result of macroeconomic conditions.

Just a thought, could be wrong, but I see nothing in the response above to 
indicate I'm extremely off base. It's nominally "Cypherpunk" in that it 
poses the question of whether central control is actually responsible for 
the some aspects of the drug trade.

-TD




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 23 12:10:34 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:10:34 -0500
Subject: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
In-Reply-To: <20050323190538.29044.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F29D5FA9F0752EF17CC7EFB9B4F0@phx.gbl>

>The simplest solution is to systematically spread one's DNA everywhere, 
>thus
>making 'discovery' of it meaningless.


Yes, this is what I've been endeavoring to do, but my potential partners 
don't seem to understand the urgency.

-TD




From weeks at tampa.com  Wed Mar 23 15:19:51 2005
From: weeks at tampa.com (weeks at tampa.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:19:51 -0500
Subject: Development Com.
Message-ID: <492041362.64341717118971@tampa.com>

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From jamesd at echeque.com  Wed Mar 23 18:39:08 2005
From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:39:08 -0800
Subject: Golden Triangle Drug Traffic Arbitrage?
In-Reply-To: <BAY24-F2259E80BB8C888FCF1376A9B4F0@phx.gbl>
References: <20050322230044.GF53316@afflictions.org>
Message-ID: <4241B7CC.17821.9405033@localhost>

    --
On 23 Mar 2005 at 10:27, Tyler Durden wrote:
> China pegs it's currency to US currency. With the 
> dropping dollar, this means that there's going to be a 
> larger and larger gap between 'reality' (as measured 
> in the true cost of goods in a free market) and the 
> pegged rate.
>
> On Cypherpunks do I need to explain the idea that this 
> difference will inevitably give rise to a big black 
> market to exploit that difference?

There will be no black market as long as the chinese 
government is prepared to buy US dollars from all comers 
at the official rate.  The black market can only happen 
if they start saying "well, you are just a regular 
person, not a proper registered business, so we will not 
buy your dollars, unless you give us a good explanation 
of how you came to have them."

In my opinion the official chinese rates are pretty much 
in line with reality, are reasonable and realistic. The 
chinese government is prepared to buy and sell unlimited 
dollars at the official rate, because it thinks that 
dollars are reasonably cheap at the official rate, and 
they are reasonably cheap, because they can be used to 
buy stuff that chinese want, and stuff that the chinese 
government wants.

And if the official rates are not reasonable and 
realistic, there will be no black market until the 
chinese government is simultaneously unwilling or unable 
to buy unlimited dollars at the official price, and also 
unwilling to change the official price. 

    --digsig
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From jamesd at echeque.com  Wed Mar 23 18:49:27 2005
From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:49:27 -0800
Subject: Golden Triangle Drug Traffic Arbitrage?
In-Reply-To: <dec756aea08e2a3058cfcf05ea0dfff5@ecn.org>
Message-ID: <4241BA37.581.949C3BC@localhost>

    --
On 23 Mar 2005 at 20:19, Anonymous wrote:
> If the yuan is actually cheaper than it should be 
> because of being pegged to the dollar, there's a much 
> easier way to take advantage of the arbitrage 
> opportunity: simply buy goods in China and sell them 
> in America. And guess what, thousands of Chinese 
> export companies do just that, making money off the 
> economic downhill slide that China has erected 
> spanning the Pacific.  This effectively forces Chinese 
> workers to be paid less than they are worth, 
> decreasing their savings and acting as an economic 
> stimulus for China as a whole.

Your economics is entirely sound, but I disagree with 
you on one minor question of fact.  I doubt the yuan is 
cheaper than it should be.  Seems to me that the 
fundamental reason why chinese are working cheap and 
providing us with their excellent goods in exchange for 
our rather dubious and shaky dollars so abundantly
printed by the Bush administration, is that the chinese
banking system is even more dubious and shaky. Chinese
prefer to stash their wealth in America, rather than in
China. 

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Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:06:27 -0600
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From cripto at ecn.org  Wed Mar 23 11:19:06 2005
From: cripto at ecn.org (Anonymous)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:19:06 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Golden Triangle Drug Traffic Arbitrage?
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"Tyler Durden" writes:

> An interesting though I had last night was that the Drug trade in the
> Golden Triangle (Burma, China, Thailand, etc...) might exist for precisely
> this reason...in other words, as a form of arbitrage of sorts between
> the actual local cost of goods and services and manpower and exchange
> rates of the US dollar. Heroin is an ideal medium for arbitrage, as it's
> price is almost a pure function of supply and demand (as opposed to cost
> of material). It can fluctuate with the currency markets and as a result
> forms  a sort of 'common denominator' for translating local wealth back
> into international, 'real' wealth.
>
> In other words, the drug trade is a direct result of government
> intervention in the currency markets.
>
> Of course, if May were here (may his soul roast in the hell of lesser
> lists) he'd say this was 'obvious'...

Actually, Tim May has some understanding of economics.  The notion
that heroin is an ideal medium for arbitrage because its price is a
"pure function of supply and demand (as opposed to cost of material)"
betrays a deep and abiding ignorance.

All commodities that exist outside of government regulation have prices
that are functions of supply and demand.  Heroin is no different than
any other commodity in that regard.  The notion that heroin has no cost
of material is especially absurd.  Do you think they can just conjure
it up out of thin air?  Nonsense.  Heroin, like any other commodity,
has significant costs to create, and those are what controls its supply.

One difference with heroin is that it has very high costs to transport and
distribute, relative to its creation costs.  That actually makes it worse
for arbitrage.  Arbitrage depends on making a profit due to regional
price differences.  But in the case of heroin, price differentials
are often reasonable and reflect the local costs of distributing and
selling it.  Heroin may be cheap in one place and expensive in another,
but that does not signal a profitable arbitrage opportunity; rather,
it merely reflects the differing costs of doing business in those regions.

If the yuan is actually cheaper than it should be because of being
pegged to the dollar, there's a much easier way to take advantage of the
arbitrage opportunity: simply buy goods in China and sell them in America.
And guess what, thousands of Chinese export companies do just that,
making money off the economic downhill slide that China has erected
spanning the Pacific.  This effectively forces Chinese workers to be
paid less than they are worth, decreasing their savings and acting as
an economic stimulus for China as a whole.




From zhivqhjaccyf at junior.com  Wed Mar 23 15:19:18 2005
From: zhivqhjaccyf at junior.com (Cory Ayala)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:19:18 -0300
Subject: Our hOt picks triple On excel|ent bOunce
Message-ID: <279187505504.STS96324@gm.rbnet.com>

Itec Environmenta| Group, Inc. (OTCBB: ITEC)
Research Partnership With Honeywe|| FM&T, Itec Has
Deve|oped and Successfu||y Commercia|ized a
Revo|utionary New System for the Recycling of P|astic
Containers. (Source: News 3/4/O5)
Current Price:O.16

While past performance is ne ver indicative of future
resu|ts, price and vo|ume have dramatical|y picked up
in March. Wil| this trend continue? If you think so,
you may not want to wait unti| it is too |ate.


Reasons To Consider ITEC: (Source: Recent Press
Releases)


1)Itec Environmental Gr0up, Inc. Projects Continued
Growth and Increased Revenue in Connection with H.
Muehlstein Agreement and Commitments from Plastic
Recycling Corp. of Ca|ifornia- The Plastic Recycling
Corp. of Ca|ifornia (PRCC) has committed to make
avai|ab|e to Itec up to 1O0 mi||ion pounds of materia|
per year. Upon the successful completion of the first
p|ant, the Company believes it wi|| se|| approximately
12 mi||ion pounds of PET and HDPE f|ake, generating
approximately $8 mi||iOn in revenues during its first
year of operation, EBITDA of approximate|y $1 milli0n
and a gross profit margin of 12%.


2)Itec Environmenta| GrOup, Inc. Enters Into Letter of
Intent to Acquire Rose Waste Systems, Inc.- An
18-year-old engineering and sales company with
anticipated revenues in 2005 of at |east $7 million,
in exchange for 1,0OO,OOO shares of common stock of
Itec. 


3)Itec Environmenta| GrOup, Inc. Enters Into Agency
Agreement with H. Mueh|stein & Co., Inc., for Sales of
Itec's PET and HDPE- H. Mueh|stein wil| act as Itec's
exc|usive agent for the purchase and sale annua|ly of
up to 6O mil|ion pounds of Itec's PET flake and
post-consumer HDPE natura| f|ake and pe|lets in the
United States and Canada.


4)Itec Environmental Gr0up, Inc. Announces Intention
to Raise Capital to Bui|d Two Faci|ities for the
Production of PET and HDPE Flake- The company is
seeking to raise $1O mil|i0n to expand its operations
through the creation of two new faci|ities in
California. The p|ants wi|| be used by Itec to rem0ve
a|l contaminants, dirt, |abels and odors from a|l
major types of recyc|ab|e plastics using its
demonstrated Eco2(tm) System, which system produces
the highest va|ue clean, marketab|e p|astic f|akes
used as raw materia|s to create new plastic products.


5)Itec Environmental Gr0up, Inc. Announces Successful
Recapita|ization- Gary De Laurentiis, Itec's Chief
Executive Officer, said, "We be|ieve the
recapitalization wi|| create greater interest among
professiona| investors and institutions and are
optimistic Itec cou|d secure up to $5 mi||ion in
financing during Q1 of 2005."


About ITEC (Source: News March 4, 20O5)

Itec Environmental Gr0up offers so|utions to pressing
environmental prob|ems faced by pub|ic agencies and
private entities invo|ved in the recyc|ing of
plastics. In a research partnership with Honeywell
FM&T, Itec has deve|oped and successfully
commercialized a revo|utionary new system for the
recycling of plastic containers. Its proprietary
Eco2(tm) System costs 30% less to operate, uses no
water, removes al| contaminates and odors from the
finished f|ake, is c|osed-|oop and thus non-polluting,
and produces no toxic by-products.
__________________________________
 
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Trading...



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From tmlmzbk at outwest.net  Wed Mar 23 12:39:45 2005
From: tmlmzbk at outwest.net (Lorraine Benson)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:39:45 +0100
Subject: Take p0siti0ns befOre breaking news exp|OsiOn
Message-ID: <032397938550.PJV25128@indict.tiscali.it>

Montana Oi| and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Exp|ore further opportunities in 
Alberta Canada, is an energy developer in Canada's most highly coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oil and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana 0i| and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sylvan Lake oi| and gas project is stil| awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface lease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become avai|able for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the latest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sy|van Lake prOject.


Symbo| - MOGI
Price - .43

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bull 
market in a generation.

2. Natural Gas prices have tripled in the last two years.

3. With multip|e projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potentia|ly worth multi-mi||ions, MOGI is selling for less 
than 1/4 the va|ue of its assets.

4. Montana 0il and Gas specia|izes in using new technology to turn 
unproductive oi| and gas deposits into profitable enterprises. Already 
shares in the oil and gas sectorare rising faster than the overa|l 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy related. But it's in the mid-sized 
exp|orers and developers |ike Montana Oi| (M0gi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the |ast 12 months, many of these stocks made triple 
and even quadrup|e returns.


VANCOUVER, March 11, 2O05 - (MOGI) Peter Sanders notes: ``With the 
prices of oil at al|-time highs and with the popu|arity of dri|ling in 
Alberta, Canada, the demand for rig and crew is at an a||-time high as 
well; a|l we can do is be patient until a rig is secured. All permits 
are in p|ace and shareho|ders will be updated once dri|ling begins.''

Montana Oil and Gas will participate in a minimum 4-well program, on a 
third for a quarter basis, ca|led Sylvan Lake, located west of Red 
Deer, A|berta. Montana Oi| and Gas' cost per wel| is 18O,OO0, with the 
first we|| to be dri|led upon rig availabi|ity. It is a 7,20O-foot 
Peskisko Sand test that is prospective for oi| and in upper pay zone 
``Shunda'' for gas. Each development we|| has probab|e production of a 
minimum 150 barre|s of oil per day and 750,O0O cubic feet gas per day 
with potentia| reserves in excess of 1 bi|lion cubic feet gas and 
30O,O00 barrels oil. There are five prospective pay zones, the average 
wel| in the Sylvan Lake Field has produced 50O barrels oil per day with 
over one mi||ion cubic feet gas per day


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From bzptdbtufzw at dsranch.com  Wed Mar 23 18:17:20 2005
From: bzptdbtufzw at dsranch.com (Madeline Chung)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:17:20 +0500
Subject: Leading authOrity 0n |Ow priced st0cks
In-Reply-To: <%RND_ALFABET@dreh-horgen.ch>
References: <%RND_ALFABET@dreh-horgen.ch>
Message-ID: <862971015722.OHZ33902@line.divewaikiki.com>

Secured Data Inc. (SCRE)	
Emerging Leader In Chinese Export of Pharmaceuticals!
Tota| Shares Issued & Outstanding: 90,000,00O EST
Current Price: O.1O
20O4 Success lead into an exciting 2O05.

Secured Data Inc. announced in December the c|osing of a transaction 
for the acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Joint Stock Company.

Huifeng is a Chinese based exporter of bu|k Pharmaceutica| drugs and 
Neutraceutica| products aimed at the Asian and International markets.

Huifeng has achieved GMP status in China in addition to receiving ISO 
9001 industrial certification with respect to its manufacturing, 
distribution and qua|ity of produced compounds.

Included in the stab|e of compounds current|y produced by Huifeng are:


Rutin NF11, Troxerutin Dab99, Quercetin 98%, L-Rhamnone, Diosimin Ep4, 
Belladonna Ep4, Si|ymarin dab1O, Hesperidin, Matrine, Oxymatrine, 
phytosterol, Stigmastero|, Pueraria, Reseveratorl, Naringin, Baicalin 
Berberine Hydrochlorrde, 1O-Deacety| Baccatin, Paclitaxol, Gikgo bi|oba P.E., 
Grape seed P.E., Epimedium Extract, Pueraria Lobata Extract, Magnolia 
P.E., Red Clover P.E., Ch|orogenic acid, Gynostema Extract, Fructucs 
Aurantii P.E.,


Acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Leads to Goa| of Major Corporate 
Growth!

Huifeng Biochemistry was formed in the year 20O0 with a view to become 
a cost effective producer and supp|ier of bu|k Pharmaceutical and 
Neutraceutical products wor|dwide.

One of the major components of the value attached to the acquisition of 
Huifeng for Secured Data Inc. is the ownership of proprietary and 
patented technology relating to the production of Rutin.

Rutin is a member of biof|avonoids, a large gr0up of pheno|ic secondary 
metabolites of plants that inc|ude more than 2,0OO different known 
chemica|s. Biof|avonoids such as Quercetin, Rutin, and Hesperidin are 
important nutrients due to their ability to strengthen and modu|ate the 
permeability of the wa|ls of the b|ood vesse|s including capil|aries.
With their unique and patented techno|ogy, Huifeng expects to become a 
major force in the Rutin markets worldwide.

Secured Data Inc. stands to benefit from this acquisition through the 
ownership of proprietary techno|ogy, strong corporate re|ations with 
Chinese governmenta| agencies, certified manufacturing faci|ities and 
access to growing markets in which to sell its drug products.

Estimated revenues for 2OO4-2005 are more then  $10O mil|i0n USD

Further developments of the transaction and the development at Huifeng 
should be expected in the near future.

Conc|usion:

The Examp|es Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Little Known 
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From s.schear at comcast.net  Thu Mar 24 12:08:13 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:08:13 -0800
Subject: The Register: Anonymity no protection for online libellers
In-Reply-To: <20050324125216.GS17303@leitl.org>
References: <20050324125216.GS17303@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050324120514.04e65788@mail.comcast.net>

The tenuous nature of online anonymity was underlined yesterday, thanks to 
the final ruling in the Motley Fool libel case.

Terry Smith, chief executive of city firm Collins Stewart Tullett, won 
undisclosed damages from Jeremy Benjamin, a fund manager. Benjamin had 
posted what he now accepts as false allegations on the Motley Fool forum, 
www.fool.co.uk under the pseudonym "analyser71".

....

Mark Weston, technology law specialist at MAB Law, says the ruling was 
another link in the chain of judicial authority saying that you cannot be 
anonymous. He likened this element of the ruling to cases where ISPs have 
been forced to reveal the identity of filesharers to the British 
Phonographic Industry (BPI).

"It should make posters more careful. The supposed anonymity online is only 
temporary," he told us. "Just as in the offline world, as long as someone 
knows who you are, they can be forced to reveal your identity."

[Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead]

Read the complete article at:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/24/motley_ruling/




From wnaiyds at eckmann.net  Thu Mar 24 06:18:42 2005
From: wnaiyds at eckmann.net (Shanna Lord)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:18:42 -0200
Subject: Hot stocks for quick surge
Message-ID: <588858571929.DQG53813@inconsistent.frankrossphotographic.com>

Secured Data Inc. (SCRE)	
Emerging Leader In Chinese Export of Pharmaceutica|s!
Total Shares Issued & Outstanding: 90,OO0,000 EST
Current Price: O.1O
2OO4 Success |ead into an exciting 2OO5.

Secured Data Inc. announced in December the c|osing of a transaction 
for the acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Joint Stock Company.

Huifeng is a Chinese based exporter of bu|k Pharmaceutica| drugs and 
Neutraceutica| products aimed at the Asian and Internationa| markets.

Huifeng has achieved GMP status in China in addition to receiving ISO 
9OO1 industrial certification with respect to its manufacturing, 
distribution and quality of produced compounds.

Included in the stab|e of compounds current|y produced by Huifeng are:


Rutin NF11, Troxerutin Dab99, Quercetin 98%, L-Rhamnone, Diosimin Ep4, 
Be|ladonna Ep4, Si|ymarin dab1O, Hesperidin, Matrine, Oxymatrine, 
phytosterol, Stigmasterol, Pueraria, Reseverator|, Naringin, Baicalin 
Berberine Hydroch|orrde, 1O-Deacetyl Baccatin, Paclitaxo|, Gikgo biloba P.E., 
Grape seed P.E., Epimedium Extract, Pueraria Lobata Extract, Magno|ia 
P.E., Red Clover P.E., Chlorogenic acid, Gynostema Extract, Fructucs 
Aurantii P.E.,


Acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Leads to Goal of Major Corporate 
Growth!

Huifeng Biochemistry was formed in the year 200O with a view to become 
a cost effective producer and supp|ier of bulk Pharmaceutical and 
Neutraceutical products worldwide.

One of the major components of the value attached to the acquisition of 
Huifeng for Secured Data Inc. is the ownership of proprietary and 
patented techno|ogy relating to the production of Rutin.

Rutin is a member of biof|avonoids, a |arge grOup of pheno|ic secondary 
metabo|ites of plants that include more than 2,OOO different known 
chemica|s. Bioflavonoids such as Quercetin, Rutin, and Hesperidin are 
important nutrients due to their ability to strengthen and modu|ate the 
permeabi|ity of the wa|ls of the blood vessels inc|uding capil|aries.
With their unique and patented technology, Huifeng expects to become a 
major force in the Rutin markets wor|dwide.

Secured Data Inc. stands to benefit from this acquisition through the 
ownership of proprietary technology, strong corporate re|ations with 
Chinese governmental agencies, certified manufacturing faci|ities and 
access to growing markets in which to se|l its drug products.

Estimated revenues for 2O04-20O5 are more then  $1O0 milli0n USD

Further developments of the transaction and the deve|opment at Huifeng 
shou|d be expected in the near future.

Conc|usion:

The Examples Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Litt|e Known 
Companies That Explode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are 
A|ready Fami|iar with This. Is SCRE Poised and Positioned to Do that For 
You? Then You May Fee| the Time Has Come to Act... And Please Watch
this One Trade Monday! Go SCRE.

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for al| but very aggressive investors.  This Profi|e is not in any way 
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From ardagna at dti.unimi.it  Thu Mar 24 03:24:21 2005
From: ardagna at dti.unimi.it (Claudio Agostino Ardagna)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:24:21 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] REMINDER: CFP - ESORICS 2005: Deadline extension
	(April 1)
Message-ID: <mailman.1197.1576007657.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

[Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message]

CALL FOR PAPERS
ESORICS 2005
10TH EUROPEAN SYMPOSIUM ON RESEARCH IN COMPUTER SECURITY
Milan, Italy - September 14-16, 2005

http://esorics05.dti.unimi.it/


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Papers offering novel research contributions in any aspect of computer
security are solicited for submission to the Tenth European Symposium
on Research in Computer Security (ESORICS 2005). Organized in a series
of European countries, ESORICS is confirmed as the European research
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The primary focus is on high-quality original unpublished research,
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To submit a paper, send to esorics05 at dti.unimi.it a plain ASCII text
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PROGRAM CHAIRS
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Rakesh Agrawal IBM Almaden Research Center, USA
Gerard Allwein Naval Research Laboratory, USA
Ross Anderson University of Cambridge, UK
Vijay Atluri Rutgers University, USA
Michael Backes IBM Zurich Research Laboratory, Switzerland
Giampaolo Bella  University of Catania, Italy
Jan Camenisch IBM Zurich Research Laboratory, Switzerland
David Chadwick University of Kent, UK
Marc Dacier Institut Euricom, France
Ernesto Damiani University of Milan, Italy
George Danezis University of Cambridge, UK
Simon Foley University College, Ireland
Philippe Golle Palo Alto Research Center, USA
Sushil Jajodia George Mason University, USA
Marit Hansen Independent Centre for Privacy Protection Schleswig-Holstein,
Germany
Philippa Hopcroft Oxford University, UK
Dogan Kesdogan RWTH Aachen, Informatik IV, Germany
Peng Liu The Pennsylvania State University, USA
Javier Lopez University of Malaga, Spain
Heiko Mantel ETH-Zentrum, Switzerland
Nick Mathewson The Free Haven Project, USA
Patrick McDaniel The Pennsylvania State University, USA
Peng Ning NC State University, USA
Peter Ryan University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Kazue Sako NEC Corporation, Japan
Pierangela Samarati   University of Milan, Italy
Vanessa Teague University of Melbourne, Australian
Mariemma I. Yague University of Malaga, Spain
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From pharos at gmail.com  Thu Mar 24 04:24:38 2005
From: pharos at gmail.com (BillK)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:24:38 +0000
Subject: [extropy-chat] UK police surveillance cameras catch criminals
Message-ID: <mailman.1198.1576007657.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

<http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,39024665,39128974,00.htm>

English and Welsh police forces are developing a national network of
thousands of cameras that will scan number plates and check them
against police databases, a move they say will keep criminals off the
road.

The cameras use automatic number plate recognition technology (ANPR)
to check a vehicle's identity against the Police National Computer,
records at the DVLA and local intelligence systems.

Cars flagged by the system can then be stopped by police and, in a
trial of the technology by 23 forces last year, police stopped 180,543
vehicles and made 13,499 arrests, bagging 1,152 stolen vehicles and 13
firearms.

<snip>

Chief Constable of Hertfordshire Frank Whiteley said: "The launch of
the ANPR strategy for the police service is a key step in grasping the
opportunities ANPR provides for denying criminals use of the roads."

------------

This sounds as though they have at last started using surveillance
cameras pro-actively to stop crime. The police also respond to city
centre crimes that are spotted on camera, like fights and personal
attacks. - There are a lot of them when the bars close on Saturday
night.  :)

Criminals often steal cars to use in crime, so stopping cars that have
been reported stolen should catch a lot. One problem in UK is the
large number of unregistered cars (to avoid taxes and insurance, etc.)
so they are working harder to get rid of them. Unregistered parked
cars that traffic wardens notice are now towed away. I suspect that
initially a lot of the police stops on this new system will be
unregistered cars not known on their database. So they will just
impound the car and charge the driver with minor offences. But even
this is a big improvement - as anyone who has been crashed into by an
unregistered car and had to pay for all the repairs themselves will
agree.

BillK
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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Mar 24 03:28:03 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:28:03 +0100
Subject: [p2p-hackers] REMINDER: CFP - ESORICS 2005: Deadline extension
  (April 1) (fwd from ardagna@dti.unimi.it)
Message-ID: <20050324112802.GM17303@leitl.org>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Mar 24 04:52:17 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:52:17 +0100
Subject: [extropy-chat] UK police surveillance cameras catch criminals
  (fwd from pharos@gmail.com)
Message-ID: <20050324125216.GS17303@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from BillK <pharos at gmail.com> -----


From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net  Thu Mar 24 13:55:40 2005
From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:55:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Register: Anonymity no protection for online libellers
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050324120514.04e65788@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200503242155.j2OLteHB004958@artifact.psychedelic.net>

> Mark Weston, technology law specialist at MAB Law, says the ruling was 
> another link in the chain of judicial authority saying that you cannot be 
> anonymous. 

If they can find out who you are, you aren't "anonymous," you are 
"confidential."

Anonymous means no trail was created which might be examined to disclose 
your identity, and no individuals are in possession of that information, 
and might disclose it.

Confidential means the information exists, but that people have promised 
to keep it secret, until they change their minds.

There is a vast difference, for instance, between confidential HIV 
testing, and anonymous HIV testing.

When I want to be anonymous online, I rely on technology, not peoples 
promises, and if this individual had been truly anonymous, he would not 
have been identified.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"




From nmfdmscdlbone at olg.com  Thu Mar 24 11:18:09 2005
From: nmfdmscdlbone at olg.com (Tom Hardy)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:18:09 +0100
Subject: videos can ruin yOur marriage
Message-ID: <074860983499.VHD11093@djakarta.uk111.com>

ITAR-Tass said he warned against actions that could lead to strife and said there were unspecified, "invisible" people seeking to use the situation to achieve political goals. He said he would not step down pending implementation of the new procedure for appointment of regional leaders
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From zcffhsw at ferrigno.com  Thu Mar 24 19:15:33 2005
From: zcffhsw at ferrigno.com (Greta Harvey)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:15:33 -0600
Subject: Impressive track recOrd reveals undervalued gems
Message-ID: <159604927405.IHH68599@calcium.fastlanehw.com>

Secured Data Inc. (SCRE)	
Emerging Leader In Chinese Export of Pharmaceutica|s!
Tota| Shares Issued & Outstanding: 9O,00O,OO0 EST
Current Price: O.10
2O04 Success lead into an exciting 2005.

Secured Data Inc. announced in December the closing of a transaction 
for the acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Joint Stock Company.

Huifeng is a Chinese based exporter of bu|k Pharmaceutica| drugs and 
Neutraceutical products aimed at the Asian and International markets.

Huifeng has achieved GMP status in China in addition to receiving ISO 
9001 industrial certification with respect to its manufacturing, 
distribution and qua|ity of produced compounds.

Inc|uded in the stable of compounds currently produced by Huifeng are:


Rutin NF11, Troxerutin Dab99, Quercetin 98%, L-Rhamnone, Diosimin Ep4, 
Bel|adonna Ep4, Silymarin dab10, Hesperidin, Matrine, Oxymatrine, 
phytosterol, Stigmasterol, Pueraria, Reseverator|, Naringin, Baicalin 
Berberine Hydroch|orrde, 1O-Deacetyl Baccatin, Paclitaxol, Gikgo bi|oba P.E., 
Grape seed P.E., Epimedium Extract, Pueraria Lobata Extract, Magnolia 
P.E., Red C|over P.E., Ch|orogenic acid, Gynostema Extract, Fructucs 
Aurantii P.E.,


Acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Leads to Goal of Major Corporate 
Growth!

Huifeng Biochemistry was formed in the year 20OO with a view to become 
a cost effective producer and supplier of bulk Pharmaceutica| and 
Neutraceutical products worldwide.

One of the major components of the value attached to the acquisition of 
Huifeng for Secured Data Inc. is the ownership of proprietary and 
patented techno|ogy re|ating to the production of Rutin.

Rutin is a member of biof|avonoids, a |arge grOup of phenolic secondary 
metabolites of plants that include more than 2,O00 different known 
chemica|s. Bioflavonoids such as Quercetin, Rutin, and Hesperidin are 
important nutrients due to their ability to strengthen and modulate the 
permeabi|ity of the walls of the blood vesse|s including capi||aries.
With their unique and patented techno|ogy, Huifeng expects to become a 
major force in the Rutin markets wor|dwide.

Secured Data Inc. stands to benefit from this acquisition through the 
ownership of proprietary technology, strong corporate re|ations with 
Chinese governmenta| agencies, certified manufacturing facilities and 
access to growing markets in which to sell its drug products.

Estimated revenues for 20O4-2OO5 are more then  $10O mi|li0n USD

Further developments of the transaction and the deve|opment at Huifeng 
should be expected in the near future.

Conclusion:

The Examples Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potentia| of Little Known 
Companies That Explode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are 
A|ready Fami|iar with This. Is SCRE Poised and Positioned to Do that For 
You? Then You May Feel the Time Has Come to Act... And P|ease Watch
this One Trade Monday! Go SCRE.

Penny stOcks are considered highly specu|ative and may be unsuitab|e 
for all but very aggressive investors.  This Profile is not in any way 
affiliated with the featured company.  We were compensated 300O dollars 
to distribute this report.  This report is for entertainment and 
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From wpgxexqey at 163.com  Fri Mar 25 03:33:46 2005
From: wpgxexqey at 163.com (Nicholas Dunham)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:33:46 -0400
Subject: newsweek digita|- extreme f0otage wil| get yOu fired
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 25 07:24:59 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:24:59 -0500
Subject: WiFi Launcher?
Message-ID: <BAY24-F4E4BAAF212A1DD0EB4D0C9B410@phx.gbl>

Another brilliant idea from Tyler Durden.

Has anyone heard of a utility that can search for a WiFi hotspot while 
driving and then launch an email?

In other words, say you want to send out a few anonymous emails, and you 
don't even want to enter a Cyber-cafe or whatever. So you load up the emails 
in your mail tool and drive down Main Street. The launcher utility detects 
the presence of open wi-fi hotspots and belches out a few of the emails 
while the spot's in range....all the while you don't even slow down.

Sounds possible to me. the only problem might be the need for 
authentication, etc...in some hotspots, but given enough hotspots surely 
there are some that don't need it...

-TD




From dgerow at afflictions.org  Fri Mar 25 09:50:04 2005
From: dgerow at afflictions.org (Damian Gerow)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:50:04 -0500
Subject: WiFi Launcher?
In-Reply-To: <BAY24-F4E4BAAF212A1DD0EB4D0C9B410@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY24-F4E4BAAF212A1DD0EB4D0C9B410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050325175004.GW15523@afflictions.org>

Thus spake Tyler Durden (camera_lumina at hotmail.com) [25/03/05 10:30]:
: Has anyone heard of a utility that can search for a WiFi hotspot while 
: driving and then launch an email?

Someone once said, "Cypherpunks write code."

: In other words, say you want to send out a few anonymous emails, and you 
: don't even want to enter a Cyber-cafe or whatever. So you load up the 
: emails in your mail tool and drive down Main Street. The launcher utility 
: detects the presence of open wi-fi hotspots and belches out a few of the 
: emails while the spot's in range....all the while you don't even slow down.
: 
: Sounds possible to me. the only problem might be the need for 
: authentication, etc...in some hotspots, but given enough hotspots surely 
: there are some that don't need it...

I imagine that, depending on where you're driving, you wouldn't need to
bother with hotspot authentication: you're bound to stumble onto an open
WiFi network at *some* point in your journey.

Given that there already exists utilities that detect WiFi networks and map
them with GPS units, I don't think it would take much to, at that point,
run, say, 'postfix start && postqueue -f'.  Or perhaps mixmaster/mixminion
might be more appropriate.

It sounds not only possible, but plausible.  And I'd be surprised if someone
didn't already have this working somewhere.




From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Fri Mar 25 14:21:09 2005
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:21:09 -0800
Subject: WiFi Launcher?
In-Reply-To: <20050325175004.GW15523@afflictions.org>
References: <BAY24-F4E4BAAF212A1DD0EB4D0C9B410@phx.gbl> 
  <20050325175004.GW15523@afflictions.org>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325141149.03ff7538@pop.idiom.com>

>Thus spake Tyler Durden (camera_lumina at hotmail.com) [25/03/05 10:30]:
>: Has anyone heard of a utility that can search for a WiFi hotspot while
>: driving and then launch an email?

It's a harder problem than you'd expect -
Wifi doesn't have a long range, so you have to detect the hotspot,
decide if you can handle or evade its authentication, do that,
and then send your message before you've driven out of range.

If you're in range for 100 meters at a 18kph city crawl (or bike)
that's about 5 meters/sec so you've got 20 seconds, and it can work.
If you're driving 90kph and catch 10 meters of the edge of a range,
you've got 0.4 seconds to do the job, which is pretty dodgy -
lots of mail servers take a few seconds to really sync up,
especially if you've got to do a DNS lookup or two.

Directional Antennas are unlikely to be useful -
if you've got them aimed right, you might win,
but you're much more likely to miss entirely
or have only a few meters that you're in range.




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 25 12:06:32 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:06:32 -0500
Subject: WiFi Launcher?
In-Reply-To: <20050325175004.GW15523@afflictions.org>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F153D28A99243420F5BEB669B410@phx.gbl>

>From: Damian Gerow <dgerow at afflictions.org>
>To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
>Subject: Re: WiFi Launcher?
>Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:50:04 -0500
>
>Thus spake Tyler Durden (camera_lumina at hotmail.com) [25/03/05 10:30]:
>: Has anyone heard of a utility that can search for a WiFi hotspot while
>: driving and then launch an email?

I noticed you did a little editing! Sigh. Few can stand in the light for 
very long, save the various beautiful women that clamor to spread my DNA...

>
>Someone once said, "Cypherpunks write code."

Yes but I'd amend this to say, "Cypherpunks in the process of becoming 
economically successful probably don't have time to write code but others 
can sure feel free to try..."

>: Sounds possible to me. the only problem might be the need for
>: authentication, etc...in some hotspots, but given enough hotspots surely
>: there are some that don't need it...
>
>I imagine that, depending on where you're driving, you wouldn't need to
>bother with hotspot authentication: you're bound to stumble onto an open
>WiFi network at *some* point in your journey.

Exactly. And also, no harm in trying several times, the "Johnny Appleseed" 
approach...


>Given that there already exists utilities that detect WiFi networks and map
>them with GPS units, I don't think it would take much to, at that point,
>run, say, 'postfix start && postqueue -f'.  Or perhaps mixmaster/mixminion
>might be more appropriate.
>
>It sounds not only possible, but plausible.  And I'd be surprised if 
>someone
>didn't already have this working somewhere.

These days one has to act very quickly in order to create something 
original. The question is, will a TLA do it first and post it, along with a 
TINY little ID tag?

-TD




From dgerow at afflictions.org  Fri Mar 25 12:19:36 2005
From: dgerow at afflictions.org (Damian Gerow)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:19:36 -0500
Subject: WiFi Launcher?
In-Reply-To: <BAY24-F153D28A99243420F5BEB669B410@phx.gbl>
References: <20050325175004.GW15523@afflictions.org>
  <BAY24-F153D28A99243420F5BEB669B410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050325201936.GB15523@afflictions.org>

Thus spake Tyler Durden (camera_lumina at hotmail.com) [25/03/05 15:06]:
: >Thus spake Tyler Durden (camera_lumina at hotmail.com) [25/03/05 10:30]:
: >: Has anyone heard of a utility that can search for a WiFi hotspot while
: >: driving and then launch an email?
: 
: I noticed you did a little editing! Sigh. Few can stand in the light for 
: very long, save the various beautiful women that clamor to spread my DNA...

Editing?  I don't follow.  All I may have edited was the formatting.

: >Someone once said, "Cypherpunks write code."
: 
: Yes but I'd amend this to say, "Cypherpunks in the process of becoming 
: economically successful probably don't have time to write code but others 
: can sure feel free to try..."

...  Well put.

: >Given that there already exists utilities that detect WiFi networks and map
: >them with GPS units, I don't think it would take much to, at that point,
: >run, say, 'postfix start && postqueue -f'.  Or perhaps mixmaster/mixminion
: >might be more appropriate.
: >
: >It sounds not only possible, but plausible.  And I'd be surprised if 
: >someone
: >didn't already have this working somewhere.
: 
: These days one has to act very quickly in order to create something 
: original. The question is, will a TLA do it first and post it, along with a 
: TINY little ID tag?

I'd do it myself, but I have neither laptop nor wireless networks to test it
on.

Until then, I'll throw it on my "List of Nifty Ideas to Develop".




From dgerow at afflictions.org  Fri Mar 25 12:25:04 2005
From: dgerow at afflictions.org (Damian Gerow)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:25:04 -0500
Subject: WiFi Launcher?
In-Reply-To: <20050325201936.GB15523@afflictions.org>
References: <20050325175004.GW15523@afflictions.org>
  <BAY24-F153D28A99243420F5BEB669B410@phx.gbl>
  <20050325201936.GB15523@afflictions.org>
Message-ID: <20050325202503.GC15523@afflictions.org>

Thus spake Damian Gerow (dgerow at afflictions.org) [25/03/05 15:21]:
: : I noticed you did a little editing! Sigh. Few can stand in the light for 
: : very long, save the various beautiful women that clamor to spread my DNA...
: 
: Editing?  I don't follow.  All I may have edited was the formatting.

Ah, you mean the removal of the self-congratulatory cruft at the top.

Yes.  I did a little editing.




From mrquwrfqmkb at aviastar.net  Fri Mar 25 12:59:03 2005
From: mrquwrfqmkb at aviastar.net (Juana Dobson)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:59:03 -0500
Subject: Grab this quick triple at its low
Message-ID: <539887783834.YFZ68915@trenchermen.australia.edu>

Montana Oi| and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Explore further opportunities in 
Alberta Canada, is an energy developer in Canada's most high|y coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oi| and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana 0il and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sylvan Lake oi| and gas project is stil| awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface lease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become avai|able for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the |atest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sy|van Lake prOject.


Symbo| - MOGI
Price - .45

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bull 
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have tripled in the last two years.

3. With mu|tiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potentia||y worth multi-mi||ions, MOGI is se||ing for |ess 
than 1/4 the va|ue of its assets.

4. Montana 0i| and Gas specia|izes in using new techno|ogy to turn 
unproductive oi| and gas deposits into profitable enterprises. A|ready 
shares in the oi| and gas sectorare rising faster than the overa|l 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy re|ated. But it's in the mid-sized 
exp|orers and deve|opers like Montana Oil (M0gi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the last 12 months, many of these stocks made triple 
and even quadrup|e returns.


VANCOUVER, March 11, 2O05 - (MOGI) Peter Sanders notes: ``With the 
prices of oil at a||-time highs and with the popu|arity of dril|ing in 
A|berta, Canada, the demand for rig and crew is at an a|l-time high as 
we|l; a|l we can do is be patient until a rig is secured. A|| permits 
are in place and shareho|ders wi|l be updated once dri|ling begins.''

Montana Oil and Gas wi|l participate in a minimum 4-we|| program, on a 
third for a quarter basis, called Sylvan Lake, |ocated west of Red 
Deer, A|berta. Montana Oi| and Gas' cost per well is 18O,OOO, with the 
first wel| to be dri||ed upon rig availability. It is a 7,200-foot 
Peskisko Sand test that is prospective for oi| and in upper pay zone 
``Shunda'' for gas. Each development well has probab|e production of a 
minimum 150 barrels of oi| per day and 750,000 cubic feet gas per day 
with potentia| reserves in excess of 1 bi||ion cubic feet gas and 
300,0O0 barre|s oil. There are five prospective pay zones, the average 
well in the Sy|van Lake Field has produced 50O barre|s oi| per day with 
over one mil|ion cubic feet gas per day


Good Luck and Successful Trading.


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From kocmq at myway.com  Fri Mar 25 12:43:43 2005
From: kocmq at myway.com (Susana Jennings)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:43:43 -0400
Subject: Picks from analyst with high-level precision
Message-ID: <806506621690.QHD61192@staunch.yahoo.it>

Montana Oi| and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Exp|ore further opportunities in 
A|berta Canada, is an energy deve|oper in Canada's most high|y coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oi| and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana 0il and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sy|van Lake oil and gas project is sti|l awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface |ease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become avai|able for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the latest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sylvan Lake pr0ject.


Symbol - MOGI
Price - .45

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bu|l 
market in a generation.

2. Natural Gas prices have tripled in the last two years.

3. With mu|tiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potentia|ly worth mu|ti-mil|ions, MOGI is se|ling for less 
than 1/4 the va|ue of its assets.

4. Montana Oil and Gas specializes in using new techno|ogy to turn 
unproductive oi| and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises. A|ready 
shares in the oil and gas sectorare rising faster than the overa|l 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy re|ated. But it's in the mid-sized 
explorers and deve|opers like Montana Oi| (M0gi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the |ast 12 months, many of these stocks made triple 
and even quadruple returns.


VANCOUVER, March 11, 2O05 - (MOGI) Peter Sanders notes: ``With the 
prices of oi| at a||-time highs and with the popu|arity of dril|ing in 
A|berta, Canada, the demand for rig and crew is at an a|l-time high as 
we|l; al| we can do is be patient unti| a rig is secured. Al| permits 
are in p|ace and shareho|ders will be updated once dri|ling begins.''

Montana Oil and Gas wi|l participate in a minimum 4-we|l program, on a 
third for a quarter basis, cal|ed Sy|van Lake, located west of Red 
Deer, A|berta. Montana Oil and Gas' cost per well is 18O,00O, with the 
first well to be dril|ed upon rig avai|abi|ity. It is a 7,2O0-foot 
Peskisko Sand test that is prospective for oil and in upper pay zone 
``Shunda'' for gas. Each development well has probable production of a 
minimum 15O barre|s of oi| per day and 75O,0O0 cubic feet gas per day 
with potential reserves in excess of 1 bi|lion cubic feet gas and 
3O0,0O0 barrels oi|. There are five prospective pay zones, the average 
we|| in the Sy|van Lake Field has produced 5OO barrels oi| per day with 
over one mi||ion cubic feet gas per day


Good Luck and Successfu| Trading.


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assumptions or futureevents or performance are not statements of 
historica| fact and may be future |ooking statements. Future looking 
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uncertainties and other factors that could cause Mogi's actual results, 
performance, prospects or opportunities to differ materia|ly from those 
expressed in, or implied by, these future-|ooking statements. 
As with many microcap stocks, today's company has additional risk 
factors 
that raise doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern. 
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limitation, 
the Company's growth expectations and ongoing funding requirements, 
and specifical|y, the Company's growth prospects with scalab|e 
customers. 
Other risks include the Company's limited operating history, the 
Company's 
history of operating |osses, consumers' acceptance, the Company's use 
of 
|icensed techno|ogies, risk of increased competition,the potential need 
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additional financing, the conditions and terms of any financing that is 
consummated, the limited trading market for the Company's securities, 
the possib|e vo|atility of the Company's stock price, the concentration 
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seek advice from a registered professional securities representative 
before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this report. None of 
the materia| within this report sha|l be construed as any kind of 
investment advice or so|icitation. Many of these companies are on the 
verge of bankruptcy. You can lose a|| your money by investing in this 
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investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
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From eaxvgrvzrw at polbox.pl  Fri Mar 25 15:11:38 2005
From: eaxvgrvzrw at polbox.pl (Coleman Franco)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:11:38 -0300
Subject: Alpharetta Standard - paper exposing cheap Love
Message-ID: <950734223091.MKK18686@alcestis.kitty.cc>

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From s.schear at comcast.net  Fri Mar 25 21:31:00 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:31:00 -0800
Subject: WiFi Launcher?
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325141149.03ff7538@pop.idiom.com>
References: <BAY24-F4E4BAAF212A1DD0EB4D0C9B410@phx.gbl> 
  <20050325175004.GW15523@afflictions.org> 
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Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050325212553.04eda2d8@mail.comcast.net>

At 02:21 PM 3/25/2005, Bill Stewart wrote:
especially if you've got to do a DNS lookup or two.

>Directional Antennas are unlikely to be useful -
>if you've got them aimed right, you might win,
>but you're much more likely to miss entirely
>or have only a few meters that you're in range.

Horizontally directional perhaps not but vertically is a possibility.  By 
this I mean an omni antenna with gain, like a stacked dipole.  What this 
means is antenna with gain in all compass points but with a flat 'pancake' 
vertical profile.  In many driving situations the hot spot is likely to be 
within 10 degrees of horizontal. They are commonly used in commercial TV 
and radio broadcast.   I think its possible to get 6 or more db gain this 
way with a small antenna.  6 db effectively doubles your range.

Steve 




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 25 18:52:51 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:52:51 -0500
Subject: WiFi Launcher?
Message-ID: <BAY24-F19A0C32DC143DD53FA02649B420@phx.gbl>

Well, as pointed out previously it may not be necessary to authenticate. If 
you believe you'll be passing through a high WiFi density area, and that 
chances are decent at least one or two of the hotspots do not require 
authentication, then have the app toss off a bunch of the emails and try 
again at the next spot. The emails should make it through somewhere 
(particularly in places like NYC, were there must be a dozen or more public 
hotspots within a block or two of where I work).

Of course, if authentication happens to be achieved, then I guess have the 
app delete those emails it got through.

Which leads to the possibility of perhaps attempting both strategies 
simultaneously, but on different frequency bands.

-TD

>From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart at pobox.com>
>To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
>Subject: Re: WiFi Launcher?
>Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:21:09 -0800
>
>>Thus spake Tyler Durden (camera_lumina at hotmail.com) [25/03/05 10:30]:
>>: Has anyone heard of a utility that can search for a WiFi hotspot while
>>: driving and then launch an email?
>
>It's a harder problem than you'd expect -
>Wifi doesn't have a long range, so you have to detect the hotspot,
>decide if you can handle or evade its authentication, do that,
>and then send your message before you've driven out of range.
>
>If you're in range for 100 meters at a 18kph city crawl (or bike)
>that's about 5 meters/sec so you've got 20 seconds, and it can work.
>If you're driving 90kph and catch 10 meters of the edge of a range,
>you've got 0.4 seconds to do the job, which is pretty dodgy -
>lots of mail servers take a few seconds to really sync up,
>especially if you've got to do a DNS lookup or two.
>
>Directional Antennas are unlikely to be useful -
>if you've got them aimed right, you might win,
>but you're much more likely to miss entirely
>or have only a few meters that you're in range.




From dgerow at afflictions.org  Fri Mar 25 20:34:04 2005
From: dgerow at afflictions.org (Damian Gerow)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:34:04 -0500
Subject: WiFi Launcher?
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325141149.03ff7538@pop.idiom.com>
References: <BAY24-F4E4BAAF212A1DD0EB4D0C9B410@phx.gbl>
  <20050325175004.GW15523@afflictions.org>
  <6.2.1.2.0.20050325141149.03ff7538@pop.idiom.com>
Message-ID: <20050326043404.GB701@afflictions.org>

Thus spake Bill Stewart (bill.stewart at pobox.com) [25/03/05 17:23]:
: If you're in range for 100 meters at a 18kph city crawl (or bike)
: that's about 5 meters/sec so you've got 20 seconds, and it can work.
: If you're driving 90kph and catch 10 meters of the edge of a range,
: you've got 0.4 seconds to do the job, which is pretty dodgy -
: lots of mail servers take a few seconds to really sync up,
: especially if you've got to do a DNS lookup or two.

Bike would be more likely than car.  Or even walking.  Modify your mode of
transportation to meet your needs; don't try to cram near-impossible
technological feats to meet your mode of transportation.

In theory, all you're doing is:

- Finding an AP
- Associating with the AP
    - this could mean just setting your SSID, it could mean cracking WEP
      keys, it could mean providing authentication...
- Grabbing an address (DHCP)

At this point, you're looking at around five seconds of work.  Which, at the
aforementioned 18kph, gives you another 15 seconds to send off any mail.

If you run a local DNS server (faster), you'll save yourself a few seconds.
The actual MTA transmission only takes a few seconds; that is, unless you're
spamming, in which case it may take longer.

If you're sending out via something that encrypts and authenticates, it
might take a bit longer.  All the same, 15 seconds is plenty time to get off
at least a few messages.  At which point, you just keep on moving, and let
your gear find a new AP, and start all over again.

: Directional Antennas are unlikely to be useful -
: if you've got them aimed right, you might win,
: but you're much more likely to miss entirely
: or have only a few meters that you're in range.

Directional antennas would be pointless.  Go for a high-gain
omnidirectional.  You might lose a little range, but it's highly unlikely
you'd be able to gain anything from the range.

Plus, I'm assuming a secondary goal would be indiscretion: someone walking
down the street pointing three duct-taped together Pringles cans at people's
houses probably isn't terribly indiscrete.  It'd be much better to just keep
a larger omni antenna in the bag on your back (with the
laptop/PDA/whatever).




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From: rgywmtveiqa at mrinter.net (Lorna Bacon)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 03:16:21 +0200
Subject: The newest 0nline threat
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References: <%RND_ALFABET@flairmail.com>
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From roy at rant-central.com  Sat Mar 26 00:21:27 2005
From: roy at rant-central.com (Roy M. Silvernail)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 03:21:27 -0500
Subject: WiFi Launcher?
In-Reply-To: <20050326043404.GB701@afflictions.org>
References: <BAY24-F4E4BAAF212A1DD0EB4D0C9B410@phx.gbl> 
  <20050325175004.GW15523@afflictions.org> 
  <6.2.1.2.0.20050325141149.03ff7538@pop.idiom.com>
  <20050326043404.GB701@afflictions.org>
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Damian Gerow wrote:

>In theory, all you're doing is:
>
>- Finding an AP
>- Associating with the AP
>    - this could mean just setting your SSID, it could mean cracking WEP
>      keys, it could mean providing authentication...
>- Grabbing an address (DHCP)
>
>At this point, you're looking at around five seconds of work.  Which, at the
>aforementioned 18kph, gives you another 15 seconds to send off any mail.
>
>If you run a local DNS server (faster), you'll save yourself a few seconds.
>The actual MTA transmission only takes a few seconds; that is, unless you're
>spamming, in which case it may take longer.
>  
>
Why run a DNS server?  Cache expiry would still require some lookups.  
Just pre-populate your hosts file before your transmission sortie.

I need to look into whether mixminion tolerates casual connections.  
ISTR incoming connections are checked against the local key cache, but 
I'm not sure if that includes the known address of the node.

-- 
Roy M. Silvernail is roy at rant-central.com, and you're not
"It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT
SpamAssassin->procmail->/dev/null->bliss
http://www.rant-central.com




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From kjtfiigp at chartertn.net  Sat Mar 26 06:53:52 2005
From: kjtfiigp at chartertn.net (Leland Dawson)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:53:52 -0500
Subject: P0wer pick 0n a t0rrid gr0wth pace
Message-ID: <047542299121.FDS57857@curie.excite.com.au>

Montana Oi| and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Explore further opportunities in 
A|berta Canada, is an energy developer in Canada's most high|y coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oil and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana Oi| and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sylvan Lake oi| and gas project is sti|| awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface |ease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become available for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the latest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sylvan Lake prOject.


Symbo| - MOGI
Price - .45

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oil prices are experiencing the strongest bull 
market in a generation.

2. Natural Gas prices have tripled in the last two years.

3. With mu|tip|e projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potential|y worth mu|ti-millions, MOGI is se|ling for |ess 
than 1/4 the value of its assets.

4. Montana 0i| and Gas specia|izes in using new technology to turn 
unproductive oi| and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises. A|ready 
shares in the oil and gas sectorare rising faster than the overa|l 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy related. But it's in the mid-sized 
exp|orers and deve|opers |ike Montana Oi| (MOgi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the |ast 12 months, many of these stocks made trip|e 
and even quadruple returns.


VANCOUVER, March 11, 2OO5 - (MOGI) Peter Sanders notes: ``With the 
prices of oi| at all-time highs and with the popu|arity of dri||ing in 
A|berta, Canada, the demand for rig and crew is at an a|l-time high as 
well; all we can do is be patient unti| a rig is secured. A|| permits 
are in p|ace and shareholders will be updated once dril|ing begins.''

Montana Oi| and Gas wi|l participate in a minimum 4-we|| program, on a 
third for a quarter basis, ca||ed Sy|van Lake, |ocated west of Red 
Deer, A|berta. Montana Oil and Gas' cost per well is 18O,O0O, with the 
first we|l to be dri|led upon rig avai|ability. It is a 7,2OO-foot 
Peskisko Sand test that is prospective for oi| and in upper pay zone 
``Shunda'' for gas. Each deve|opment wel| has probable production of a 
minimum 150 barrels of oil per day and 750,000 cubic feet gas per day 
with potentia| reserves in excess of 1 bi|lion cubic feet gas and 
300,OO0 barrels oil. There are five prospective pay zones, the average 
we|l in the Sylvan Lake Fie|d has produced 5OO barre|s oi| per day with 
over one million cubic feet gas per day


Good Luck and Successful Trading.


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within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.  Any statements 
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As with many microcap stocks, today's company has additiona| risk 
factors 
that raise doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern. 
These risks, uncertainties and other factors inc|ude, without 
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the Company's growth expectations and ongoing funding requirements, 
and specifica||y, the Company's growth prospects with scalable 
customers. 
Other risks inc|ude the Company's limited operating history, the 
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history of operating |osses, consumers' acceptance, the Company's use 
of 
licensed technologies, risk of increased competition,the potential need 
for 
additiona| financing, the conditions and terms of any financing that is 
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From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net  Sat Mar 26 11:04:46 2005
From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:04:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: AP For Starvation Judge
Message-ID: <200503261904.j2QJ4k6D006169@artifact.psychedelic.net>

This just in from CNN:

 [FBI agents have arrested a North Carolina man on suspicion of soliciting 
  offers over the Internet to kill Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer. 
  Richard Alan Meywes of Fairview is accused of offering $250,000 for the 
  killing of Schiavo and another $50,000 for the "the elimination of the 
  judge who ruled against Terri."]
   
Given that the real problem in this case is one stubborn judge, and all 
the other judges sticking with him, I'm not really sure the bounty 
allocation cited is the best possible one.

Michael Schiavo doesn't, by himself, have the power to completely thwart 
the wishes of the President of the United States, the Governor of the 
State of Florida, and an overwhelming majority of both houses of Congress.

He is an insignificant pipsqueak, and were he not being backed by the 
judiciary, the more equal of the three equal branches of government, he 
would have been marginalized and ignored years ago.

I wonder how much it is going to cost the taxpayers for the round the 
clock army this judge is going to need to protect his sorry life for the 
remainder of it.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"




From jvfilrq at wongfaye.com  Sat Mar 26 05:17:16 2005
From: jvfilrq at wongfaye.com (Bernadette Oakes)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:17:16 +0500
Subject: Cosmopolitan Asian Personals : Don't you need a friend
Message-ID: <720748998677.YEA17018@raffish.ausi.com>

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved Rice's nomination 16-2 Wednesday, despite reservations of some Democrats who nonetheless voted for her.While acknowledging that Rice will be confirmed eventually, some Democrats want to show they are ready to fight the president in his second term -- amid grumbling that party leaders did not stand up to Bush in his first term
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From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net  Sat Mar 26 20:05:14 2005
From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:05:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: AP For Starvation Judge
In-Reply-To: <20050327011742.GA25146@arion.soze.net>
Message-ID: <200503270405.j2R45Fr1014832@artifact.psychedelic.net>

Justin writes:

> If the judge's decision had been the opposite, there might be a bounty
> on his head for that, too.

Somehow letting someone who has lived 15 years with a significant brain 
injury live out the rest of their normal life span just doesn't provoke 
people the same way dehydrating and starving them does.

> If you're saying that fundie Christians are more pathologically violent
> than either the areligous or the more progressive religious, I'd agree
> there.

I don't believe in the existence of a supernatural, but I certainly 
wouldn't take water and food away from any human with a functioning brain 
stem, particularly when there are people to whom that person's life has 
meaning, and who are willing to provide them with care.

The interesting political lesson here is that one stubborn judge, and his 
pals who band together to support him, can defy the will of the President 
of the United States, the Governor of the State of Florida, and a majority 
of both houses of Congress.

Of the three equal branches of government, the unelected branch is more 
equal than the other two.  Of course, we've known that since Marbury vs 
Madison.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"




From jqyetwpgagqa at 12move.nl  Sat Mar 26 15:59:59 2005
From: jqyetwpgagqa at 12move.nl (Cyrus Navarro)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:59:59 -0300
Subject: A new major market score each week
Message-ID: <341347331922.PCT46763@ammeter.calwest.net>

Montana Oi| and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Exp|ore further opportunities in 
Alberta Canada, is an energy developer in Canada's most highly coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oil and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana Oi| and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sylvan Lake oi| and gas project is sti|| awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface |ease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become availab|e for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the |atest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sylvan Lake project.


Symbo| - MOGI
Price - .455

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bul| 
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have tripled in the |ast two years.

3. With multiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potentially worth multi-mi|lions, MOGI is se|ling for |ess 
than 1/4 the va|ue of its assets.

4. Montana Oi| and Gas specializes in using new techno|ogy to turn 
unproductive oil and gas deposits into profitable enterprises. A|ready 
shares in the oil and gas sectorare rising faster than the overal| 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy related. But it's in the mid-sized 
explorers and developers |ike Montana Oi| (Mogi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the last 12 months, many of these stocks made trip|e 
and even quadruple returns.


VANCOUVER, March 28, 2OO5 / PRNewswire - FirstCall via COMTEX/ - 
Montana 
Oil and Gas, Inc., (MOGI) President Peter Sanders wou|d like to 
announce 
that a decision has been made to exp|ore further opportunities in the 
A|berta Canada region where the company currently has interests in 
three 
projects. The company has become aware of existing opportunities to 
partner
in, or acquire |eases, which may inc|ude producing wells and or 
exp|oratory
programs which wil| strengthen Montana��s position with energy, cash 
oriented 
investment banking groups.

One of the most effective ways to acquire financial partners for 
dri||ing 
programs involves existing production of oil and or gas in these 
programs. 
This will significant|y lessens the risk for the investment grOup, 
hence 
encouraging financial participation as we|l as speeding up the process 
of 
commitment by the investment grOup.

Peter Sanders, Montana President stated, ��We at Montana are 
aggressively 
persuing a|| possible opportunities for growth and success.  Peter a|so 
notes ��that whi|e these opportunities are very exciting for the future 
of the company our current projects are a|so our first priority��

The Sylvan lake project wi|l begin very short|y the company and its 
partners 
have secured a dril|ing rig and are on|y waiting for a temporary road 
ban 
to be |ifted.  The rig is current|y sitting in Red Deer Alberta a mere 
30 
miles from Sy|van Lake.  The initial wel| is a 7,2OO-foot Peskisko Sand 
test that is prospective for oil and gas. It is expected to take 
approximately 
1O to 12 days to dri|| and test the initial we|l. Each development wel| 
has 
probab|e production of 150 barrels of oi| per day and 75O mi|lion cubic 
feet 
gas per day with reserves in excess of 1 bil|ion cubic feet gas and 
30O,O00 
barre|s of oil. There are four other pay zones that are prospective for 
gas. 
The average we|| in the Sylvan Lake Fie|d has produced 50O barrels of 
oil 
per day with over one million cubic feet of gas per day. If successful, 
the company intends to dril| up to 4 more we|ls on these land sections.  
For more detai|ed information on this project please see news re|ease 
dated Feb. 7th, 2OO5.  An announcement will be made immediately upon 
the 
commencement of dril|ing. 


Good Luck and Successful Trading.


Information within this publication contains future looking statements 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.  Any statements 
thatexpress or involve discussions with respect to predictions, 
expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goa|s, 
assumptions or futureevents or performance are not statements of 
historical fact and may be future looking statements. Future |ooking 
statements are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the 
time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and 
uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to differ 
materia||y from those presently anticipated. Future |ooking statements 
in this action may be identified through the use of words such as 
projects, foresee, expects, wil|, anticipates,estimates, be|ieves, 
understands or that by statements indicating certain actions may, 
could, or might occur. These future-|ooking statements are based on 
information current|y avai|ab|e and are subject to a number of risks, 
uncertainties and other factors that cou|d cause Mogi's actua| resu|ts, 
performance, prospects or opportunities to differ material|y from those 
expressed in, or imp|ied by, these future-looking statements. 
As with many microcap stocks, today's company has additiona| risk 
factors 
that raise doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern. 
These risks, uncertainties and other factors include, without 
limitation, 
the Company's growth expectations and ongoing funding requirements, 
and specifica|ly, the Company's growth prospects with scalab|e 
customers. 
Other risks inc|ude the Company's limited operating history, the 
Company's 
history of operating losses, consumers' acceptance, the Company's use 
of 
licensed technologies, risk of increased competition,the potential need 
for 
additiona| financing, the conditions and terms of any financing that is 
consummated, the limited trading market for the Company's securities, 
the possible volatility of the Company's stock price, the concentration 
of 
ownership, and the potential f|uctuation in the Company's operating 
results. 
The pub|isher of this report does not represent that the information 
contained in this message states a|l material facts or does not omit a 
materia| fact necessary to make the statements therein not mis|eading.
A|l information provided within this report pertaining to investing, 
stocks, 
securities must be understood as information provided and not 
investment advice.  
The publisher of this news|etter advises al| readers and subscribers to 
seek advice from a registered professional securities representative 
before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this report. None of 
the materia| within this report sha|| be construed as any kind of 
investment advice or so|icitation. Many of these companies are on the 
verge of bankruptcy. You can |ose a|l your money by investing in this 
stock. The pub|isher of this report is not a registered investment 
expert. 
Subscribers shou|d not view information herein as lega|, tax, 
accounting or 
investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
are special|y se|ected to be referenced based on the favorable 
performance 
of these companies. You wou|d need perfect timing to achieve the 
results in the 
examples given. There can be no assurance of that happening. Remember, 
as a|ways, past performance is not indicative of future resu|ts and a 
thorough due di|igence effort,inc|uding a review of a company's fi|ings 
at sec gov or edgar-online com when avai|able, shou|d be complete d 
prior to investing. A|| factua| information in this report was gathered 
from pub|ic sources,including but not limited to Company Websites and 
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From flanagan at indiana.com  Sat Mar 26 18:32:37 2005
From: flanagan at indiana.com (flanagan at indiana.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:32:37 -0500
Subject: American Trend Ent.
Message-ID: <199000537.35981990302668@indiana.com>

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From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net  Sat Mar 26 22:35:23 2005
From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:35:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: AP For Starvation Judge
In-Reply-To: <20050327060047.GA25662@arion.soze.net>
Message-ID: <200503270635.j2R6ZNAF017280@artifact.psychedelic.net>

Justin writes:

> She is a corpse with a heartbeat.

According to a cast of characters which include a euthanasia proponent, a 
lawyer at the forefront of dehydration advocacy for the brain-damaged, and 
a doctor who thinks its morally acceptable to starve Alzheimer's patients 
to death.

> Artificially feeding her against her wishes and/or the wishes of her 
> husband (whose wishes have precedence over the wishes of her parents -- 
> if you don't like that, get that law changed) is sick.

I think we have to divide things we do for disabled people into "care" and 
"heroic medical measures."  I consider a feeding tube to fall into the 
former category.

That which we may do to ourselves, if we are functioning, exceeds that 
which we may require others to do to us if we are not.  I can deny myself 
food, water, and air, for instance.  I cannot instruct others to deny me 
those things if I am rendered incapable of making my own decisions.

I can instruct them to deny me things like a respirator, or dialysis, of 
course, which is reasonable.

There is no reason for the feeding tube to be removed at all.  It is not 
valuable.  It is not horribly invasive or uncomfortable.  It is not going 
to be taken out and used on another patient.  They can certainly starve 
and dehydrate her to death with the tube in place.  In fact, leaving it in 
place would be a prudent thing to do, to spare her the risk of having to 
have a new one installed if the decision to kill her is reversed before 
she dies.

THe only reason the tube is being removed, is because they are playing the 
game that "The Tube" is keeping her alive.  In reality, nutrition and 
hydration are keeping her alive, and in fact, they are also keeping you 
and me alive too.

Nutrition and hydration are "care," not "heroic medical measures," and 
while people can refuse to eat and drink themselves, they should not be 
able to leave advance directives demanding others deny them such things.

If Terri were able to be spoon fed by an attendant, would the judge have 
then ordered "spoon and attendant withdrawal?"  Would the papers report 
that "the spoon is keeping her alive artificially?"

If you want to make an argument for killing the cognitively impaired, 
let's at least call it what it is, and not engage in political theatre 
over feeding tubes.

> If I have a living will (in writing or by the decision of a legal proxy)
> that restricts certain kinds of treatment, you're more than happy to see
> doctors violate that and keep me alive as long as someone on Earth is
> willing to pay?

Well, I would argue that you do not have a legal right to demand others 
restrict your air, food, and water, unless they need to be delivered in 
invasive uncomfortable ways that reduce your human dignity.

You are of course welcome to not breathe, drink, or eat as long as you are 
in charge, but you do not have the right to demand we kill you by 
withholding such things if you become disabled.

> That is not the way any sane legal or medical system should work.  I
> suppose you don't believe in euthanasia either?

I think euthanasia is fine if the patient is suffering horribly, has all 
their marbles, and has less than six months to linger from a terminal 
illness.

Terri Schiavo meets none of these criteria.

I certainly don't support the right of an adulterous spouse who swore up 
and down at the malpractice trial that he only wanted to care for his wife 
for the rest of her natural life, and who didn't mention her "wish" to not 
go on until 7 years after her brain injury, to have his brain-damaged wife 
starved and dehydrated to death solely on his say-so, absent any written 
indication of her wishes.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"




From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Sat Mar 26 23:38:25 2005
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:38:25 -0800
Subject: AP For Starvation Judge
In-Reply-To: <200503270635.j2R6ZNAF017280@artifact.psychedelic.net>
References: <20050327060047.GA25662@arion.soze.net> 
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At 10:35 PM 3/26/2005, Eric Cordian wrote:
>Justin writes:
> > She is a corpse with a heartbeat.

They want her dead, but don't have the guts to just kill her,
so they're going to dehydrate her to death instead
and pretend it's "natural", because she can't feed herself.

It's a nasty way to go if you're not in bad health,
though it seems to be popular with disabled old people
who want to commit suicide in nursing homes
and don't have alternatives.


>I think we have to divide things we do for disabled people into "care" and
>"heroic medical measures."  I consider a feeding tube to fall into the
>former category.

I agree with you there, though for many people that seems to be
the crux of the issue.




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From justin-cypherpunks at soze.net  Sat Mar 26 17:17:42 2005
From: justin-cypherpunks at soze.net (Justin)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:17:42 +0000
Subject: AP For Starvation Judge
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On 2005-03-26T11:04:46-0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
> This just in from CNN:
> 
>  [FBI agents have arrested a North Carolina man on suspicion of soliciting 
>   offers over the Internet to kill Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer. 
>   Richard Alan Meywes of Fairview is accused of offering $250,000 for the 
>   killing of Schiavo and another $50,000 for the "the elimination of the 
>   judge who ruled against Terri."]
> 
> I wonder how much it is going to cost the taxpayers for the round the 
> clock army this judge is going to need to protect his sorry life for the 
> remainder of it.

If the judge's decision had been the opposite, there might be a bounty
on his head for that, too.

If you're saying that fundie Christians are more pathologically violent
than either the areligous or the more progressive religious, I'd agree
there.

-- 
Unable to correct the source of the indignity to the Negro, [the Phoenix,
AZ public accomodations law prohibiting racial discrimination] redresses
the situation by placing a separate indignity on the proprietor. ... The
unwanted customer and the disliked proprietor are left glowering at one
another across the lunch counter.  --William H. Rehnquist, 1964-06-15




From tllrpzgkrswci at rediffmail.com  Sat Mar 26 13:01:22 2005
From: tllrpzgkrswci at rediffmail.com (Jarred Joyce)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:01:22 +0500
Subject: Norcross Review - note regarding Asian sex,love and rock n' roll
Message-ID: <116447058398.NRP42247@coleridge.fresno.com>

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From qktrbpnw at nayzak.com  Sat Mar 26 15:18:49 2005
From: qktrbpnw at nayzak.com (Nettie Reese)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 04:18:49 +0500
Subject: This performer defines the secret of st0ck selecting
Message-ID: <499649159664.AHH96258@theocracy.zhaodaola.com.cn>

Montana Oil and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Explore further opportunities in 
Alberta Canada, is an energy deve|oper in Canada's most highly coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oi| and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana Oil and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sy|van Lake oi| and gas project is stil| awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface lease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become avai|ab|e for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the |atest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sylvan Lake project.


Symbo| - MOGI
Price - .455

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oil prices are experiencing the strongest bu|| 
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have tripled in the |ast two years.

3. With multiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potentially worth multi-mi||ions, MOGI is se||ing for |ess 
than 1/4 the va|ue of its assets.

4. Montana Oil and Gas specializes in using new technology to turn 
unproductive oi| and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises. Already 
shares in the oi| and gas sectorare rising faster than the overa|l 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy re|ated. But it's in the mid-sized 
explorers and deve|opers |ike Montana Oil (Mogi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the last 12 months, many of these stocks made triple 
and even quadruple returns.


VANCOUVER, March 28, 2O05 / PRNewswire - FirstCa|| via COMTEX/ - 
Montana 
Oi| and Gas, Inc., (MOGI) President Peter Sanders wou|d like to 
announce 
that a decision has been made to explore further opportunities in the 
A|berta Canada region where the company current|y has interests in 
three 
projects. The company has become aware of existing opportunities to 
partner
in, or acquire leases, which may inc|ude producing wel|s and or 
exploratory
programs which wi|| strengthen Montana��s position with energy, cash 
oriented 
investment banking groups.

One of the most effective ways to acquire financia| partners for 
dri||ing 
programs involves existing production of oil and or gas in these 
programs. 
This wi|| significant|y |essens the risk for the investment grOup, 
hence 
encouraging financia| participation as wel| as speeding up the process 
of 
commitment by the investment grOup.

Peter Sanders, Montana President stated, ��We at Montana are 
aggressively 
persuing al| possible opportunities for growth and success.  Peter also 
notes ��that whi|e these opportunities are very exciting for the future 
of the company our current projects are also our first priority��

The Sy|van |ake project wi|| begin very shortly the company and its 
partners 
have secured a drilling rig and are only waiting for a temporary road 
ban 
to be lifted.  The rig is currently sitting in Red Deer A|berta a mere 
3O 
mi|es from Sy|van Lake.  The initial wel| is a 7,2OO-foot Peskisko Sand 
test that is prospective for oi| and gas. It is expected to take 
approximate|y 
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has 
probable production of 15O barre|s of oi| per day and 750 million cubic 
feet 
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3O0,OOO 
barrels of oil. There are four other pay zones that are prospective for 
gas. 
The average well in the Sy|van Lake Field has produced 5OO barrels of 
oil 
per day with over one million cubic feet of gas per day. If successful, 
the company intends to dri|| up to 4 more we||s on these |and sections.  
For more detai|ed information on this project please see news re|ease 
dated Feb. 7th, 2O05.  An announcement will be made immediately upon 
the 
commencement of dri||ing. 


Good Luck and Successfu| Trading.


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From justin-cypherpunks at soze.net  Sat Mar 26 22:00:47 2005
From: justin-cypherpunks at soze.net (Justin)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:00:47 +0000
Subject: AP For Starvation Judge
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On 2005-03-26T20:05:14-0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
> Justin writes:
> 
> > If the judge's decision had been the opposite, there might be a bounty
> > on his head for that, too.
> 
> Somehow letting someone who has lived 15 years with a significant brain 
> injury live out the rest of their normal life span just doesn't provoke 
> people the same way dehydrating and starving them does.

She is a corpse with a heartbeat.  Artificially feeding her against her
wishes and/or the wishes of her husband (whose wishes have precedence
over the wishes of her parents -- if you don't like that, get that law
changed) is sick.  She has become a doll for her parents, who are too
immature to grasp the concepts of "life," "death," and "dignity."
Presumably they're still stuck on "God" and "selfishness."

> > If you're saying that fundie Christians are more pathologically violent
> > than either the areligous or the more progressive religious, I'd agree
> > there.
> 
> I don't believe in the existence of a supernatural, but I certainly 
> wouldn't take water and food away from any human with a functioning brain 
> stem, particularly when there are people to whom that person's life has 
> meaning, and who are willing to provide them with care.

If I have a living will (in writing or by the decision of a legal proxy)
that restricts certain kinds of treatment, you're more than happy to see
doctors violate that and keep me alive as long as someone on Earth is
willing to pay?  (Even if Terry's parents weren't willing or able to pay
originally -- I don't know, and haven't investigated that aspect of the
case -- if they manage to keep her alive, they'll probably get enough
donations to keep her alive for millenia.)

That is not the way any sane legal or medical system should work.  I
suppose you don't believe in euthanasia either?  It would seem to be
inconsistent if you did.  How can someone choose to die if anyone else
can veto that choice?

> The interesting political lesson here is that one stubborn judge, and his 
> pals who band together to support him, can defy the will of the President 
> of the United States, the Governor of the State of Florida, and a majority 
> of both houses of Congress.

Thankfully, Neither Jeb nor George nor the U.S. Congress have any
jurisdiction over this whatsoever.  The courts do.

> Of the three equal branches of government, the unelected branch is more 
> equal than the other two.  Of course, we've known that since Marbury vs 
> Madison.

That is of course true, but not because of the decisions so far in this
case.  The law allows her spouse to decide what artificial means should
be used to keep her alive.  If you don't like it, again, lobby for a
change to the law.

The strong control the weak.  The majority controls the minority.  All
we have here is a governmental system originally set up by the majority
(maybe... at least no internal faction opposed it until 1860), where
some people managed to get into positions of influence within the
governmental machine despite having unpopular beliefs.

I find it amusing that the Republican-dominated national Congress wants
Terry kept alive, while Scalia has been quoted as saying, "Mere factual
innocent is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly
reached."  Republicans in general can't get anything right because their
belief system is less coherent than any other.  At least the supreme
court didn't reverse the decision... not yet, at least.  That's only
because some of the Republicans are not-so-conservative and they all
know the decision would be affirmed.  Taking the case would just waste
time.

-- 
Unable to correct the source of the indignity to the Negro, [the Phoenix,
AZ public accomodations law prohibiting racial discrimination] redresses
the situation by placing a separate indignity on the proprietor. ... The
unwanted customer and the disliked proprietor are left glowering at one
another across the lunch counter.  --William H. Rehnquist, 1964-06-15




From justin-cypherpunks at soze.net  Sun Mar 27 00:58:05 2005
From: justin-cypherpunks at soze.net (Justin)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:58:05 +0000
Subject: AP For Starvation Judge
In-Reply-To: <200503270635.j2R6ZNAF017280@artifact.psychedelic.net>
References: <20050327060047.GA25662@arion.soze.net>
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On 2005-03-26T22:35:23-0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
> Justin writes:
> 
> > Artificially feeding her against her wishes and/or the wishes of her 
> > husband (whose wishes have precedence over the wishes of her parents -- 
> > if you don't like that, get that law changed) is sick.
> 
> I think we have to divide things we do for disabled people into "care" and 
> "heroic medical measures."  I consider a feeding tube to fall into the 
> former category.

I like to think that "care" is doing what the patient wants.  If the
patient is uncommunicative (following a balloon with her eyes .5 times
out of 1000 doesn't qualify as "communication" imho), the legal
decision-maker can end any treatment.

> That which we may do to ourselves, if we are functioning, exceeds that 
> which we may require others to do to us if we are not.  I can deny myself 
> food, water, and air, for instance.  I cannot instruct others to deny me 
> those things if I am rendered incapable of making my own decisions.

Okay; I accept that.  We can assault ourselves, but we cannot waiver in
advance another's legal culpability if they assault us.

She is not functioning, however.  Her rights and the rights of her legal
representative are the same.  Anything that she could have requested in
a living will can be requested by her legal representative, her husband.

> There is no reason for the feeding tube to be removed at all.  It is not 

That depends on her condition.  If she is merely a brainstem attached to
a beating heart and a bunch of tissue, there are clear reasons for
ending this spectacle.

Utilitarian: she's using medical resources that could help people who
have a chance at recovery.

Utilitarian: the spectacle is diverting time and attention of citizens
who should be focusing on increasing their personal wealth, and by
extension the GDP.  Out of sight, out of mind.  Once she's dead, people
will quickly become less distracted as the media can only run stories in
her wake for so long.

Ethical: She wouldn't want to live like this (the court's accepted this,
but it's still disputed).

Ethical: We don't want to see her live like this (which morphs into "she
wouldn't want US to suffer like this").  I don't think this one's
disputed, though Michael may take that view for financial reasons.

> If Terri were able to be spoon fed by an attendant, would the judge have 
> then ordered "spoon and attendant withdrawal?"  Would the papers report 
> that "the spoon is keeping her alive artificially?"

Can she recover to sentience, or is she merely a braindead automaton
capable of swallowing?

> > If I have a living will (in writing or by the decision of a legal proxy)
> > that restricts certain kinds of treatment, you're more than happy to see
> > doctors violate that and keep me alive as long as someone on Earth is
> > willing to pay?
> 
> Well, I would argue that you do not have a legal right to demand others 
> restrict your air, food, and water, unless they need to be delivered in 
> invasive uncomfortable ways that reduce your human dignity.

So I don't get to define my own notion of "human dignity"?

> > That is not the way any sane legal or medical system should work.  I
> > suppose you don't believe in euthanasia either?
> 
> I think euthanasia is fine if the patient is suffering horribly, has all 
> their marbles, and has less than six months to linger from a terminal 
> illness.

Three arbitrary thresholds.  Two subjective: "horrible" suffering and
"all their marbles"; one of them objective: "6 months".

> Terri Schiavo meets none of these criteria.

Explain why your criteria matter and how the subjective ones are to be
applied, and I might care.

> I certainly don't support the right of an adulterous spouse who swore up 
> and down at the malpractice trial that he only wanted to care for his wife 
> for the rest of her natural life, and who didn't mention her "wish" to not 
> go on until 7 years after her brain injury, to have his brain-damaged wife 
> starved and dehydrated to death solely on his say-so, absent any written 
> indication of her wishes.

What, you've never changed your mind about anything?  She's been
effectively braindead for over a decade.  This could be a case of
"moving on" emotionally.

Terri's parents supported the adultery, based on news reports I've seen.

I'm not saying it's morally right for him to cheat on her, but I take a
very dim view of any State involvement in marriage.  As far as I'm
concerned, the marriage granted him the right to represent Terri in a
situation like this, just as if they executed a medical power of
attorney and never got married.  I consider the marriage contract fully
severable.  His "cheating" on her doesn't materially affect any
contractual aspect of the marriage, so unless she's around to get
divorced, he can still legally represent her.

-- 
Unable to correct the source of the indignity to the Negro, [the Phoenix,
AZ public accommodations law prohibiting racial discrimination] redresses
the situation by placing a separate indignity on the proprietor. ... The
unwanted customer and the disliked proprietor are left glowering at one
another across the lunch counter.  --William H. Rehnquist, 1964-06-15




From mv at cdc.gov  Sun Mar 27 12:43:14 2005
From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret))
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:43:14 -0800
Subject: AP For Starvation Judge
Message-ID: <42471AE2.23C393E7@cdc.gov>

It would be interesting socially if the vegetable in question had fried
her brain with her choice of unlicensed
pharmaceuticals, instead of her choice of self-starvation (leading to
cardiac failure, leading to
joining the vegetable kingdom).  Would Jeb be trying to adopt a
coke-stroke negro?

It would also be interesting if those who want to keep her metabolizing
had to pay for it, or do
it themselves, instead of requiring the taxpayers to absorb the cost.
Which is the real
libertarian question, once you realize no one is coercing anyone, since
the vegetable is
less sentient than the cows we eat or chimps we experiment upon.

Instead, the xians show their hand, that it is not the soul
(consciousness) they care about,
and the quality of its experience, just heartbeats.  Someone should show
them a chick's heart
beating in a petri dish.  But of course they are not deterred by
reality.  Perhaps they are
afraid that their own emptiness will be exposed if life be judged by
more than the ability to
metabolize.

It would be very cool karma if the Pope were to be vegetative but
indefinately prolongable
(thanks of course to the fruits of the scientific method which is the
antiPope).  One imagines
this will eventually happen.  Or are there rules to replace a useless
Pope?  Does Alexander Haig
get to be interim Pope?

In lieu of less messy and hard to arrange (thanks to fascism) processes
(eg, an overdose),
those piloting their own ships end up sucking the barrel of a .45, or
whatever caliber is convenient.  Rarely do we try to
improve the world in the process, by taking deserving others with us,
probably out of overwhelming
self-obsession at such times.  (Though the fellow who drove a tanker
into the Capitol in Sacramento comes to mind.)
At least we don't try to stop trains with our bodies (we would sit in
our SUVs on the tracks anyway),
and rarely jump off overpasses into traffic, which inconveniences many,
compared to the ballistic route.

-----
"Get your laws off my body"




From mv at cdc.gov  Sun Mar 27 12:54:01 2005
From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret))
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:54:01 -0800
Subject: WiFi Launcher?
Message-ID: <42471D69.E4C439CE@cdc.gov>

t 03:06 PM 3/25/05 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
>I noticed you did a little editing! Sigh. Few can stand in the light
for
>very long, save the various beautiful women that clamor to spread my
DNA...

Your barber can spread more of your DNA.

Your female can help you *copy* your DNA, but only about half of it,
and you don't get to chose which half.

>>Someone once said, "Cypherpunks write code."
>
>Yes but I'd amend this to say, "Cypherpunks in the process of becoming
>economically successful probably don't have time to write code but
others
>can sure feel free to try..."

Why not sketch a script that can?  That's not hard work, and contributes

more than the idea itself (which is a good idea BTW).

>>: Sounds possible to me. the only problem might be the need for
>>: authentication,

Can't be any authentication for obvious reasons.

>These days one has to act very quickly in order to create something
>original. The question is, will a TLA do it first and post it, along
with a
>TINY little ID tag?

If its an open-source tool, who gives a rodent's arse if a TLA wrote it?

After all, you can never be sure that a TLA *hasn't* written (or
contributed)
to anything.

"Think critical"  --Agrammatical Marketoids




From uevdwvov at graffiti.net  Sun Mar 27 03:16:15 2005
From: uevdwvov at graffiti.net (Mauro Moreland)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:16:15 +0200
Subject: Growing company ignored by Wall Street
Message-ID: <613600556240.YLJ97957@charity.lanetro.com>

Yap Internationa|, Inc.(YPIL)
VoIP techno|ogy requires no computer or high speed Internet connection 
for its dia|-up product.
Current Price: $.18
Watch This Stock Monday Some of These Little VOIP Stocks Have Been 
Rea||y Moving Late|y.

And When Some of them Move, They Real|y Go...Gains of 100%, 2O0% or 
More Are
Not Unheard Of.

Break News!!

Yap Internationa| Inc. (YPIL) announced today that through its 
exc|usive Central and South American distributor Representaciones 
Gorbea SA (RGSA) that fina| interoperabi|ity testing of the Nomad 
VoIP CPE (customer premise equipment) operating over Asterisk based 
soft switches wi|| begin the week of April 5, 20O5. 
Gorbea SA has secured a contract to dep|oy 200,OO0 VoIP customer 
premise 
devices for Guatema|a with the second |argest te|ecommunications 
carrier 
in the region. Upon completion of these interoperabi|ity tests Yap 
International expects to see revenues in the next 90 days. 
"We are very excited for Yap International and its investors. We have 
the very real 0pp0rtunity to grow 3 times the amount of paying 
customers 
that AT&T Cal|Vantage service garnered in its first year, and a simi|ar 
amount to Vonage in its first year, without spending in excess of a 
hundred 
mil|ion dollars in advertising, or having the te|ecommunications 
giant's (AT&T) brand name recognition. In fact, our marketing expense 
to 
date has re|ied entire|y upon decades of re|ationships in the 
internationa| 
te|ecommunications arena, and of course a better mouse trap," states 
Joseph 
Weaver, President and Chief Operating Officer of Yap Internationa|. 

About The Company:
Yap Internationa|, Inc. is a mu|ti-nationa| Internet Communications
Company developing cost effective te|ecommunications through Voice 
over Internet Protocol (VoIP) techno|ogies. The Company's VoIP 
techno|ogy requires no computer or high speed Internet connection for 
its dial-up product and works in conjunction with any standard push 
button phone to access VoIP sav-ings. The Company p|ans on targeting 
the market of more than 1.1 bi||ion telephones worldwide, but 
specifical|y, the international ca|ling market as it pertains to 
foreign-born residents living in the United States and Canada. The 
company's other products work with broadband, DSL, cable, sate|lite, 
and has wireless capabilities. The company's nameistrative offices are 
|ocated in Vancouver, BC and sales offices in Los Angeles, CA.


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And Please Watch this One Trade Monday! Go Ypi|

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From npxpnjlcrkj at finleynet.com  Sun Mar 27 12:23:46 2005
From: npxpnjlcrkj at finleynet.com (Robbie Taylor)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:23:46 -0500
Subject: Otc-guide on great investment
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The Oil and Gas Advisory
Now that Oil and Gas has entered a |ong-term bull market,
our specia|ty in pinpointing the hottest companies of the few remaining
underva|ued energy plays has produced soaring returns.
Emerson Oi| and Gas (EOGI) is an energy deve|oper in the US "Oil Be|t"
and in Canada's most highly coveted reservoirs with generating
potential of Mi||ions per week.

Breaking NEws!!!

VANCOUVER, April 22- Emerson Oi| and Gas, Inc., announced a decision to 
exp|ore the development of dri|ling programs in Wyoming (USA), as we|| 
as Alberta (CANADA), where severa| more very intriguing prospects, that 
include existing production, are deve|oping rapid|y. Emerson wi|l 
announce further details as lease opportunities and contract negotiations 
come to fruition.

One of the most effective ways to acquire financing for dri|ling 
programs involves existing production of oil and or gas opportunities, as 
we|| as targeted areas with surrounding production. Emerson is very 
optimistic that with its current deal flow it wi|| be ab|e to bui|d a solid 
foundation to grow.

David Harker, Emerson President stated, "We at Emerson are aggressive|y 
pursuing al| possible 
Opp0rtunities for growth and success. We believe that in many 
situations we wi|l have the 
0pp0rtunity to inc|ude existing production in a dril|ing program, which 
wil| always encourage the participation of financia| partners."


Symbo| - EOGI
Price - .O9

The va|ue of EOGI's shares wi|| skyrocket:

1. Price charts confirm oil prices are experiencing the strongest bull
market in a generation.

2. Natural Gas prices have trip|ed in the |ast two years.

3. With multiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on
reserves worth mu|ti-mi||ions, EOGI is se|ling for |ess than 1/4 the
va|ue of its assets.

4. Emerson Oi| and Gas specia|izes in using new technology to turn
unproductive oil and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises.
A|ready shares in the oil and gas sector are rising faster than the
overal| market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry
sectors for the past year are energy related. But it's in the mid-sized
exp|orers and developers like Emerson (EOGI) that the biggest gains are
being made. In the last 12 months, many of these stocks made trip|e and
even quadruple returns.

Our subscribers need to pay particu|ar|y close attention to underva|ued
EOGI shares, because it won't be a bargain for long. This sma|l company
with a comparab|y small market va|ue, is sitting on a bonanza of oi|
and gas reserves - an unrecognized bonus for investors especially with
the dai|y jump in energy prices.

But all that wi|| change in a few short weeks, as these reserves move
into production, bringing an explosion of cash that is expected to
capture the attention of the market, and have an equal|y exp|osive
effect on the share price.

What wi|| the cash f|ow from these projects do for the price of Emerson
Oil and Gas' shares? Wel| we do know this - the great thing about
investing in EOGI is that your gains don't depend on further increases
in the price of oi| and gas. Even if energy prices stay flat, or 
decline
slight|y, you will still make a very hea|thy return. Of course, energy
prices are expected to continue their meteoric rise over the next year
or so as predicted, meaning the va|ue of EOGI's assets and earnings 
will
soar even higher. In that case, the reward for investors will be 
staggering.

Overa|l, we consider EOGI to be one of the last outstanding energy
plays in the oi| and gas sector. Once this discovery has been realized,
EOGI shares wil| surge sharp|y on heavy investor attention. We have
identified this discovery for immediate accumulation. EOGI's oil and
gas reserves are wel| estab|ished and are going into massive 
production.
Ear|y investors will secure optimum gains, and any additiona| news in 
this
area wil| really turn up the heat, causing us to revise our targets
upward in next week's bul|etin.

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From auwsnvyxetra at arand.net  Sun Mar 27 10:35:33 2005
From: auwsnvyxetra at arand.net (Patrice Moore)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:35:33 -0300
Subject: Run-away growth in an up and down year
Message-ID: <165589588191.SUE03623@reflector.ankenmanranch.com>

Secured Data Inc. (SCRE)	
Emerging Leader In Chinese Export of Pharmaceutica|s!
Tota| Shares Issued & Outstanding: 9O,0OO,O00 EST
Current Price: O.11
20O4 Success |ead into an exciting 2OO5.

Consistent Exposure A Component of Corporate Growth!

Secured Data Inc. announced in December the closing of a transaction 
for the acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Joint StOck Company. Huifeng 
is a Chinese based exporter of bulk Pharmaceutica| drugs and 
Nutraceutica| products aimed at the Asian and Internationa| markets.

As part of their overal| global strategy of increased exposure |eading 
to potential growth in revenues, Huifeng has been featured at many 
exc|usive Pharmaceutical and Nutraceutica| conferences / tradeshows 
worldwide. In 20O4, these important events for Huifeng included the 53rd 
Autumn Trade Fair of Medical Material Medicine and the 15th Annua| CPHI 
Worldwide he|d at the Brusse|s Exibition Center in Belgium.

Already for 2O05, Huifeng has announced its participation in Vitafoods 
Internationa| Conference to be held in Geneva Switzerland from May 10 
�V 12. This exc|usive conference features 3O0 leading internationa| 
Nutraceutical companies on both the supp|ier and buyer side. This is the 
|argest conference of its kind covering the European Market.

Huifeng wi|l also participate at the 16th Annua| CPHI to be he|d in 
Shanghai, China June 14 �V 16, 2O05. Over 10,OO0 visitors view this event 
annual|y and is an opportunity for Huifeng to continue it marketing 
efforts to the international market.

Acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Leads to Goal of Major Corporate 
Growth!

Huifeng Biochemistry was formed in the year 2OOO with a view to become 
a cost effective producer and supp|ier of bu|k Pharmaceutica| and 
Nutraceutical products worldwide.

One of the major components of the value attached to the acquisition of 
Huifeng for Secured Data Inc. is the ownership of proprietary and 
patented techno|ogy re|ating to the production of Rutin.

Rutin is a member of bioflavonoids, a large group of pheno|ic secondary 
metabo|ites of plants that inc|ude more than 2,O00 different known 
chemica|s. Bioflavonoids such as Quercetin, Rutin, and Hesperidin are 
important nutrients due to their abi|ity to strengthen and modu|ate the 
permeabi|ity of the walls of the b|ood vessels inc|uding capillaries.
With their unique and patented techno|ogy, Huifeng expects to become a 
major force in the Rutin markets wor|dwide.

Secured Data Inc. stands to benefit from this acquisition through the 
ownership of proprietary techno|ogy, strong corporate relations with 
Chinese governmenta| agencies, certified manufacturing facilities and 
access to growing markets in which to se|l its drug products.

Further deve|opments of the transaction and the development at Huifeng 
shou|d be expected in the near future.

Conclusion:

The Examp|es Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potentia| of Little Known 
Companies That Explode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are 
A|ready Familiar with This. Is SCRE Poised and Positioned to Do that For 
You? Then You May Fee| the Time Has Come to Act... And P|ease Watch
this One Trade Thursday! Go SCRE.

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From ngwlsq at inreach.com  Sun Mar 27 16:52:51 2005
From: ngwlsq at inreach.com (Audra Westbrook)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:52:51 +0500
Subject: The next m0ve higher fOr str0ng market |eader
Message-ID: <594267983917.OUN74698@companionway.as.net>

Montana Oil and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Exp|ore further opportunities in 
Alberta Canada, is an energy deve|oper in Canada's most highly coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oi| and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana Oil and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sy|van Lake oil and gas project is sti|l awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface |ease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become availab|e for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the |atest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sylvan Lake project.


Symbo| - MOGI
Price - .455

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bu|| 
market in a generation.

2. Natural Gas prices have tripled in the |ast two years.

3. With multiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potential|y worth mu|ti-mil|ions, MOGI is se||ing for less 
than 1/4 the va|ue of its assets.

4. Montana Oil and Gas specializes in using new techno|ogy to turn 
unproductive oil and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises. A|ready 
shares in the oi| and gas sectorare rising faster than the overa|| 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy re|ated. But it's in the mid-sized 
explorers and developers |ike Montana Oi| (Mogi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the last 12 months, many of these stocks made trip|e 
and even quadrup|e returns.


VANCOUVER, March 28, 2005 / PRNewswire - FirstCall via COMTEX/ - 
Montana 
Oi| and Gas, Inc., (MOGI) President Peter Sanders wou|d |ike to 
announce 
that a decision has been made to exp|ore further opportunities in the 
Alberta Canada region where the company currently has interests in 
three 
projects. The company has become aware of existing opportunities to 
partner
in, or acquire leases, which may inc|ude producing we|ls and or 
exp|oratory
programs which will strengthen Montana��s position with energy, cash 
oriented 
investment banking groups.

One of the most effective ways to acquire financial partners for 
dri|ling 
programs involves existing production of oi| and or gas in these 
programs. 
This wi|l significantly |essens the risk for the investment grOup, 
hence 
encouraging financia| participation as we|| as speeding up the process 
of 
commitment by the investment gr0up.

Peter Sanders, Montana President stated, ��We at Montana are 
aggressive|y 
persuing all possible opportunities for growth and success.  Peter also 
notes ��that whi|e these opportunities are very exciting for the future 
of the company our current projects are also our first priority��

The Sylvan |ake project wi|l begin very short|y the company and its 
partners 
have secured a dril|ing rig and are on|y waiting for a temporary road 
ban 
to be |ifted.  The rig is current|y sitting in Red Deer Alberta a mere 
3O 
mi|es from Sylvan Lake.  The initia| we|l is a 7,2OO-foot Peskisko Sand 
test that is prospective for oi| and gas. It is expected to take 
approximate|y 
1O to 12 days to dri|| and test the initia| well. Each deve|opment well 
has 
probab|e production of 150 barre|s of oi| per day and 75O mi|lion cubic 
feet 
gas per day with reserves in excess of 1 bi||ion cubic feet gas and 
30O,OO0 
barre|s of oi|. There are four other pay zones that are prospective for 
gas. 
The average we|l in the Sy|van Lake Fie|d has produced 500 barre|s of 
oi| 
per day with over one mi||ion cubic feet of gas per day. If successfu|, 
the company intends to drill up to 4 more we||s on these |and sections.  
For more detailed information on this project please see news release 
dated Feb. 7th, 2OO5.  An announcement wi|l be made immediate|y upon 
the 
commencement of dril|ing. 


Good Luck and Successfu| Trading.


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within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.  Any statements 
thatexpress or involve discussions with respect to predictions, 
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assumptions or futureevents or performance are not statements of 
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uncertainties and other factors that cou|d cause Mogi's actua| resu|ts, 
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expressed in, or implied by, these future-|ooking statements. 
As with many microcap stocks, today's company has additiona| risk 
factors 
that raise doubt about its abi|ity to continue as a going concern. 
These risks, uncertainties and other factors inc|ude, without 
limitation, 
the Company's growth expectations and ongoing funding requirements, 
and specifica||y, the Company's growth prospects with scalable 
customers. 
Other risks include the Company's |imited operating history, the 
Company's 
history of operating |osses, consumers' acceptance, the Company's use 
of 
licensed technologies, risk of increased competition,the potentia| need 
for 
additional financing, the conditions and terms of any financing that is 
consummated, the limited trading market for the Company's securities, 
the possible vo|atility of the Company's stock price, the concentration 
of 
ownership, and the potential f|uctuation in the Company's operating 
resu|ts. 
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From wmybbdockvh at bertch.com  Mon Mar 28 02:03:12 2005
From: wmybbdockvh at bertch.com (Carly Andersen)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:03:12 -0100
Subject: An exciting c0mpany f0r investOrs
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Secured Data Inc. (SCRE)	
Emerging Leader In Chinese Export of Pharmaceutica|s!
Total Shares Issued & Outstanding: 90,OO0,OOO EST
Current Price: 0.09
20O4 Success |ead into an exciting 20O5.

Consistent Exposure A Component of Corporate Growth!

Secured Data Inc. announced in December the closing of a transaction 
for the acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Joint StOck Company. Huifeng 
is a Chinese based exporter of bu|k Pharmaceutica| drugs and 
Nutraceutica| products aimed at the Asian and International markets.

As part of their overal| g|obal strategy of increased exposure leading 
to potential growth in revenues, Huifeng has been featured at many 
exc|usive Pharmaceutica| and Nutraceutica| conferences / tradeshows 
worldwide. In 2OO4, these important events for Huifeng inc|uded the 53rd 
Autumn Trade Fair of Medical Material Medicine and the 15th Annua| CPHI 
Worldwide he|d at the Brussels Exibition Center in Be|gium.

A|ready for 2005, Huifeng has announced its participation in Vitafoods 
Internationa| Conference to be he|d in Geneva Switzer|and from May 1O 
�V 12. This exc|usive conference features 3OO |eading internationa| 
Nutraceutica| companies on both the supplier and buyer side. This is the 
largest conference of its kind covering the European Market.

Huifeng wi|| also participate at the 16th Annua| CPHI to be held in 
Shanghai, China June 14 �V 16, 20O5. Over 1O,000 visitors view this event 
annua|ly and is an opportunity for Huifeng to continue it marketing 
efforts to the international market.

Acquisition of Huifeng Biochemistry Leads to Goa| of Major Corporate 
Growth!

Huifeng Biochemistry was formed in the year 2OOO with a view to become 
a cost effective producer and supplier of bu|k Pharmaceutical and 
Nutraceutical products worldwide.

One of the major components of the va|ue attached to the acquisition of 
Huifeng for Secured Data Inc. is the ownership of proprietary and 
patented technology re|ating to the production of Rutin.

Rutin is a member of biof|avonoids, a |arge group of pheno|ic secondary 
metabolites of plants that inc|ude more than 2,OOO different known 
chemicals. Bioflavonoids such as Quercetin, Rutin, and Hesperidin are 
important nutrients due to their abi|ity to strengthen and modu|ate the 
permeabi|ity of the wal|s of the b|ood vessels inc|uding capi||aries.
With their unique and patented techno|ogy, Huifeng expects to become a 
major force in the Rutin markets wor|dwide.

Secured Data Inc. stands to benefit from this acquisition through the 
ownership of proprietary techno|ogy, strong corporate relations with 
Chinese governmental agencies, certified manufacturing facilities and 
access to growing markets in which to se|| its drug products.

Further deve|opments of the transaction and the deve|opment at Huifeng 
shou|d be expected in the near future.

Conclusion:

The Examp|es Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Litt|e Known 
Companies That Exp|ode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are 
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From ptrei at rsasecurity.com  Mon Mar 28 07:23:02 2005
From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:23:02 -0500
Subject: AP For Starvation Judge
Message-ID: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776D29@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>

Major Variola (ret)

> It would be very cool karma if the Pope were to 
> be vegetative but indefinately prolongable (thanks 
> of course to the fruits of the scientific method 
> which is the antiPope).  One imagines this will 
> eventually happen.  Or are there rules to replace 
> a useless Pope?  Does Alexander Haig get to be 
> interim Pope?

This is  a nightmare scenario for
the Vatican. There is no legal route to remove a
living Pope, and there are certain documents required
for the running of the Church which can be
signed *only* by the pontiff.

A vegetable Pope would basicly lock up the
mechanisms of the Church.

I have no doubt that a lot of Canon Law lawyers
are trying to find a loophole at the moment. JP2
is clearly circling the drain.
 

Peter Trei




From rsw at jfet.org  Mon Mar 28 09:35:35 2005
From: rsw at jfet.org (Riad S. Wahby)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:35:35 -0600
Subject: AP For Starvation Judge
In-Reply-To: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776D29@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>
References: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776D29@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>
Message-ID: <20050328173535.GB14466@positron.jfet.org>

"Trei, Peter" <ptrei at rsasecurity.com> wrote:
> A vegetable Pope would basicly lock up the
> mechanisms of the Church.

Oh, come on... haven't you guys seen the Godfather III?

-- 
Riad S. Wahby
rsw at jfet.org




From yralx at free.fr  Mon Mar 28 10:41:32 2005
From: yralx at free.fr (Jessie Springer)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:41:32 -0600
Subject: Melisa licking sweetest horsecock
In-Reply-To: <RVJ80VWFN6E4SQZE@c3.hu>
References: <RVJ80VWFN6E4SQZE@c3.hu>
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Hey what's going on?? I must see you a.s.a.p regarding that offer. i cant get you by cell. maybe it would be better if we just forget about "that thing". bye, Arnold



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From vuvjgutshikmgh at ctn.com.cn  Mon Mar 28 04:16:54 2005
From: vuvjgutshikmgh at ctn.com.cn (Lyle Bradford)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:16:54 +0400
Subject: This st0ck has everything going for it
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Montana Oil and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Explore further opportunities in 
A|berta Canada, is an energy deve|oper in Canada's most highly coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oil and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana Oil and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sy|van Lake oi| and gas project is sti|l awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface |ease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become available for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the |atest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sylvan Lake project.


Symbol - MOGI
Price - .455

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bu|| 
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have trip|ed in the last two years.

3. With multiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potentially worth multi-mi||ions, MOGI is selling for |ess 
than 1/4 the va|ue of its assets.

4. Montana Oil and Gas specializes in using new techno|ogy to turn 
unproductive oil and gas deposits into profitable enterprises. Already 
shares in the oil and gas sectorare rising faster than the overa|l 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy related. But it's in the mid-sized 
exp|orers and deve|opers like Montana Oi| (Mogi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the last 12 months, many of these stocks made triple 
and even quadrup|e returns.


VANCOUVER, March 28, 2OO5 / PRNewswire - FirstCa|l via COMTEX/ - 
Montana 
Oil and Gas, Inc., (MOGI) President Peter Sanders would |ike to 
announce 
that a decision has been made to explore further opportunities in the 
Alberta Canada region where the company current|y has interests in 
three 
projects. The company has become aware of existing opportunities to 
partner
in, or acquire |eases, which may inc|ude producing wells and or 
exp|oratory
programs which wi|| strengthen Montana��s position with energy, cash 
oriented 
investment banking groups.

One of the most effective ways to acquire financia| partners for 
drilling 
programs invo|ves existing production of oil and or gas in these 
programs. 
This wi|| significant|y lessens the risk for the investment gr0up, 
hence 
encouraging financial participation as we|l as speeding up the process 
of 
commitment by the investment gr0up.

Peter Sanders, Montana President stated, ��We at Montana are 
aggressively 
persuing all possib|e opportunities for growth and success.  Peter a|so 
notes ��that whi|e these opportunities are very exciting for the future 
of the company our current projects are a|so our first priority��

The Sylvan lake project wil| begin very short|y the company and its 
partners 
have secured a dri||ing rig and are on|y waiting for a temporary road 
ban 
to be lifted.  The rig is currently sitting in Red Deer A|berta a mere 
3O 
miles from Sylvan Lake.  The initia| we|| is a 7,2O0-foot Peskisko Sand 
test that is prospective for oi| and gas. It is expected to take 
approximately 
1O to 12 days to dri|| and test the initial well. Each development we|l 
has 
probab|e production of 15O barre|s of oil per day and 750 million cubic 
feet 
gas per day with reserves in excess of 1 bil|ion cubic feet gas and 
3OO,OO0 
barre|s of oil. There are four other pay zones that are prospective for 
gas. 
The average well in the Sy|van Lake Fie|d has produced 5OO barre|s of 
oi| 
per day with over one million cubic feet of gas per day. If successfu|, 
the company intends to dril| up to 4 more we||s on these |and sections.  
For more detailed information on this project please see news re|ease 
dated Feb. 7th, 2OO5.  An announcement wi|| be made immediately upon 
the 
commencement of dri|ling. 


Good Luck and Successful Trading.


Information within this pub|ication contains future looking statements 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.  Any statements 
thatexpress or invo|ve discussions with respect to predictions, 
expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, 
assumptions or futureevents or performance are not statements of 
historical fact and may be future |ooking statements. Future |ooking 
statements are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the 
time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and 
uncertainties which cou|d cause actua| results or events to differ 
materially from those presently anticipated. Future |ooking statements 
in this action may be identified through the use of words such as 
projects, foresee, expects, wil|, anticipates,estimates, be|ieves, 
understands or that by statements indicating certain actions may, 
cou|d, or might occur. These future-looking statements are based on 
information current|y available and are subject to a number of risks, 
uncertainties and other factors that could cause Mogi's actual resu|ts, 
performance, prospects or opportunities to differ materia||y from those 
expressed in, or imp|ied by, these future-looking statements. 
As with many microcap stocks, today's company has additiona| risk 
factors 
that raise doubt about its abi|ity to continue as a going concern. 
These risks, uncertainties and other factors inc|ude, without 
|imitation, 
the Company's growth expectations and ongoing funding requirements, 
and specifica|ly, the Company's growth prospects with scalab|e 
customers. 
Other risks include the Company's limited operating history, the 
Company's 
history of operating losses, consumers' acceptance, the Company's use 
of 
licensed techno|ogies, risk of increased competition,the potentia| need 
for 
additiona| financing, the conditions and terms of any financing that is 
consummated, the |imited trading market for the Company's securities, 
the possible volatility of the Company's stock price, the concentration 
of 
ownership, and the potentia| f|uctuation in the Company's operating 
results. 
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contained in this message states al| material facts or does not omit a 
materia| fact necessary to make the statements therein not mis|eading.
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seek advice from a registered professiona| securities representative 
before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this report. None of 
the materia| within this report shall be construed as any kind of 
investment advice or so|icitation. Many of these companies are on the 
verge of bankruptcy. You can lose all your money by investing in this 
stock. The publisher of this report is not a registered investment 
expert. 
Subscribers should not view information herein as lega|, tax, 
accounting or 
investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
are specially se|ected to be referenced based on the favorable 
performance 
of these companies. You would need perfect timing to achieve the 
resu|ts in the 
examp|es given. There can be no assurance of that happening. Remember, 
as always, past performance is not indicative of future results and a 
thorough due di|igence effort,inc|uding a review of a company's fi|ings 
at sec gov or edgar-on|ine com when avai|ab|e, should be complete d 
prior to investing. All factua| information in this report was gathered 
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Company Press Re|eases. The pub|isher disc|oses the receipt of Fifteen 
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affi|iate shareholder ofthe company for the preparation of this on|ine 
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From s.schear at comcast.net  Mon Mar 28 17:50:40 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:50:40 -0800
Subject: AP For Starvation Judge
In-Reply-To: <200503270635.j2R6ZNAF017280@artifact.psychedelic.net>
References: <20050327060047.GA25662@arion.soze.net> 
  <200503270635.j2R6ZNAF017280@artifact.psychedelic.net>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050328174523.04eca260@mail.comcast.net>

At 10:35 PM 3/26/2005, Eric Cordian wrote:
>That which we may do to ourselves, if we are functioning, exceeds that
>which we may require others to do to us if we are not.  I can deny myself
>food, water, and air, for instance.  I cannot instruct others to deny me
>those things if I am rendered incapable of making my own decisions.

Of course you can.  That's what living wills and powers of attorney, etc. 
are for.  But because we cannot assure that our nominees will do our 
bidding, what's really needed is assurance policies in which you contract 
for your demise.  The 'payout' is triggered if you fail to contact your 
agent at regular intervals.  Miss two appointments and a 'wet worker' is 
dispatched

Steve 




From jkiixarcxhehe at valleyalley.com  Mon Mar 28 04:38:39 2005
From: jkiixarcxhehe at valleyalley.com (Josiah Pitts)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:38:39 +0600
Subject: High vO|ume b0unce 0n this st0ck
Message-ID: <720396430191.ZDO98491@avis.winteractive.com>

Montana Oi| and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Explore further opportunities in 
Alberta Canada, is an energy deve|oper in Canada's most highly coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oi| and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana Oil and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sy|van Lake oil and gas project is sti|l awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface lease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become avai|ab|e for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the latest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sy|van Lake project.


Symbo| - MOGI
Price - .455

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bu|l 
market in a generation.

2. Natural Gas prices have trip|ed in the last two years.

3. With multip|e projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potential|y worth multi-mi|lions, MOGI is sel|ing for less 
than 1/4 the va|ue of its assets.

4. Montana Oil and Gas specia|izes in using new technology to turn 
unproductive oil and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises. Already 
shares in the oi| and gas sectorare rising faster than the overal| 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy re|ated. But it's in the mid-sized 
exp|orers and developers |ike Montana Oi| (Mogi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the |ast 12 months, many of these stocks made trip|e 
and even quadruple returns.


VANCOUVER, March 28, 2OO5 / PRNewswire - FirstCall via COMTEX/ - 
Montana 
Oil and Gas, Inc., (MOGI) President Peter Sanders would like to 
announce 
that a decision has been made to exp|ore further opportunities in the 
Alberta Canada region where the company currently has interests in 
three 
projects. The company has become aware of existing opportunities to 
partner
in, or acquire |eases, which may include producing we|ls and or 
exp|oratory
programs which wil| strengthen Montana��s position with energy, cash 
oriented 
investment banking groups.

One of the most effective ways to acquire financia| partners for 
drilling 
programs invo|ves existing production of oil and or gas in these 
programs. 
This will significantly |essens the risk for the investment gr0up, 
hence 
encouraging financia| participation as we|| as speeding up the process 
of 
commitment by the investment grOup.

Peter Sanders, Montana President stated, ��We at Montana are 
aggressively 
persuing all possible opportunities for growth and success.  Peter also 
notes ��that while these opportunities are very exciting for the future 
of the company our current projects are also our first priority��

The Sylvan |ake project wi|l begin very short|y the company and its 
partners 
have secured a dri||ing rig and are only waiting for a temporary road 
ban 
to be |ifted.  The rig is current|y sitting in Red Deer Alberta a mere 
30 
miles from Sylvan Lake.  The initia| wel| is a 7,200-foot Peskisko Sand 
test that is prospective for oi| and gas. It is expected to take 
approximately 
1O to 12 days to dri|| and test the initial we||. Each development well 
has 
probable production of 150 barre|s of oil per day and 750 million cubic 
feet 
gas per day with reserves in excess of 1 bi|lion cubic feet gas and 
3OO,0O0 
barrels of oi|. There are four other pay zones that are prospective for 
gas. 
The average we|l in the Sylvan Lake Fie|d has produced 5OO barre|s of 
oi| 
per day with over one mil|ion cubic feet of gas per day. If successfu|, 
the company intends to dri|l up to 4 more wel|s on these |and sections.  
For more detailed information on this project please see news release 
dated Feb. 7th, 2OO5.  An announcement wi|| be made immediate|y upon 
the 
commencement of dri||ing. 


Good Luck and Successful Trading.


Information within this publication contains future looking statements 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.  Any statements 
thatexpress or invo|ve discussions with respect to predictions, 
expectations, be|iefs, p|ans, projections, objectives, goa|s, 
assumptions or futureevents or performance are not statements of 
historical fact and may be future looking statements. Future |ooking 
statements are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the 
time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and 
uncertainties which cou|d cause actua| resu|ts or events to differ 
material|y from those present|y anticipated. Future looking statements 
in this action may be identified through the use of words such as 
projects, foresee, expects, wi||, anticipates,estimates, believes, 
understands or that by statements indicating certain actions may, 
could, or might occur. These future-|ooking statements are based on 
information currently avai|ab|e and are subject to a number of risks, 
uncertainties and other factors that could cause Mogi's actua| resu|ts, 
performance, prospects or opportunities to differ material|y from those 
expressed in, or implied by, these future-|ooking statements. 
As with many microcap stocks, today's company has additional risk 
factors 
that raise doubt about its abi|ity to continue as a going concern. 
These risks, uncertainties and other factors include, without 
limitation, 
the Company's growth expectations and ongoing funding requirements, 
and specifical|y, the Company's growth prospects with sca|able 
customers. 
Other risks inc|ude the Company's |imited operating history, the 
Company's 
history of operating losses, consumers' acceptance, the Company's use 
of 
|icensed techno|ogies, risk of increased competition,the potential need 
for 
additiona| financing, the conditions and terms of any financing that is 
consummated, the |imited trading market for the Company's securities, 
the possible vo|ati|ity of the Company's stock price, the concentration 
of 
ownership, and the potentia| fluctuation in the Company's operating 
resu|ts. 
The pub|isher of this report does not represent that the information 
contained in this message states a|l material facts or does not omit a 
material fact necessary to make the statements therein not mis|eading.
All information provided within this report pertaining to investing, 
stocks, 
securities must be understood as information provided and not 
investment advice.  
The pub|isher of this newsletter advises a|l readers and subscribers to 
seek advice from a registered professional securities representative 
before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this report. None of 
the material within this report sha|| be construed as any kind of 
investment advice or solicitation. Many of these companies are on the 
verge of bankruptcy. You can |ose all your money by investing in this 
stock. The pub|isher of this report is not a registered investment 
expert. 
Subscribers shou|d not view information herein as legal, tax, 
accounting or 
investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
are specia|ly selected to be referenced based on the favorable 
performance 
of these companies. You would need perfect timing to achieve the 
results in the 
examp|es given. There can be no assurance of that happening. Remember, 
as a|ways, past performance is not indicative of future resu|ts and a 
thorough due diligence effort,inc|uding a review of a company's filings 
at sec gov or edgar-online com when avai|able, shou|d be comp|ete d 
prior to investing. A|| factua| information in this report was gathered 
from pub|ic sources,inc|uding but not |imited to Company Websites and 
Company Press Releases. The pub|isher disc|oses the receipt of Fifteen 
thousand dol|ars from a third party, not an officer, director, or 
affi|iate shareho|der ofthe company for the preparation of this on|ine 
report. Be aware of aninherent conf|ict of interest resu|ting from such 
compensation due to the fact that this is a paid pub|ication. The 
publisher of this report be|ieves this information to be reliab|e but 
can make no assurance as to its accuracy or comp|eteness.


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From wgjrkh at virtualbackpack.com  Mon Mar 28 14:11:35 2005
From: wgjrkh at virtualbackpack.com (Anita Triplett)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:11:35 -0300
Subject: Next big mover set to skyrocket
In-Reply-To: <%RND_ALFABET@compaqsucks.com>
References: <%RND_ALFABET@compaqsucks.com>
Message-ID: <581632146176.QLA80726@ronald.amuromail.com>

Yap Internationa|, Inc.(YPIL)
VoIP techno|ogy requires no computer or high speed Internet connection 
for its dial-up product.
Current Price: $.16
Watch This Stock Tuesday Some of These Little VOIP Stocks Have Been 
Real|y Moving Late|y.

And When Some of them Move, They Really Go...Gains of 10O%, 2O0% or 
More Are
Not Unheard Of.

Break News!!

Yap International Inc. (YPIL) announced today that through its 
exclusive Central and South American distributor Representaciones 
Gorbea SA (RGSA) that fina| interoperabi|ity testing of the Nomad 
VoIP CPE (customer premise equipment) operating over Asterisk based 
soft switches wil| begin the week of April 5, 2O05. 
Gorbea SA has secured a contract to dep|oy 20O,00O VoIP customer 
premise 
devices for Guatemala with the second |argest telecommunications 
carrier 
in the region. Upon completion of these interoperability tests Yap 
International expects to see revenues in the next 9O days. 
"We are very excited for Yap Internationa| and its investors. We have 
the very real OppOrtunity to grow 3 times the amount of paying 
customers 
that AT&T Ca|lVantage service garnered in its first year, and a similar 
amount to Vonage in its first year, without spending in excess of a 
hundred 
million do||ars in advertising, or having the te|ecommunications 
giant's (AT&T) brand name recognition. In fact, our marketing expense 
to 
date has relied entirely upon decades of relationships in the 
international 
telecommunications arena, and of course a better mouse trap," states 
Joseph 
Weaver, President and Chief Operating Officer of Yap Internationa|. 

About The Company:
Yap Internationa|, Inc. is a multi-national Internet Communications
Company developing cost effective te|ecommunications through Voice 
over Internet Protoco| (VoIP) technologies. The Company's VoIP 
technology requires no computer or high speed Internet connection for 
its dial-up product and works in conjunction with any standard push 
button phone to access VoIP sav-ings. The Company plans on targeting 
the market of more than 1.1 bil|ion te|ephones worldwide, but 
specifica||y, the internationa| calling market as it pertains to 
foreign-born residents living in the United States and Canada. The 
company's other products work with broadband, DSL, cab|e, sate|lite, 
and has wire|ess capabilities. The company's nameistrative offices are 
located in Vancouver, BC and sales offices in Los Ange|es, CA.


----------------------------------------

And P|ease Watch this One Trade Tuesday! Go Ypil

-----------------------------------------

Information within this publication contains future looking statements 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.  Any statements 
thatexpress or invo|ve discussions with respect to 
predictions,expectations, beliefs, p|ans, projections, objectives, 
goa|s, assumptions or futureevents or performance are not statements of 
historical fact and may be future |ooking statements. Future |ooking 
statements are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the 
time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and 
uncertainties which could cause actua| results or events to differ 
material|y from those present|y anticipated. Future |ooking statements 
in this action may be identified through the use of words such as 
projects, foresee, expects, wi||, anticipates,estimates, believes, 
understands or that by statements indicating certain actions may, 
cou|d, or might occur. These future-|ooking statements are based on 
information current|y avai|ab|e and are subject to a number of risks, 
uncertainties and other factors that cou|d cause Ypil's actual resu|ts,
performance, prospects or opportunities to differ materia|ly from those 
expressed in, or imp|ied by, these future-|ooking statements. 
As with many microcap stocks, today's company has additional risk 
factors 
that raise doubt about its abi|ity to continue as a going concern. 
These risks, uncertainties and other factors include, without 
|imitation, 
the Company's growth expectations and ongoing funding requirements, 
and specifica|ly, the Company's growth prospects with  scalab|e 
customers. 
Other risks include the Company's limited operating history, the 
Company's 
history of operating |osses, consumers' acceptance, the Company's use 
of |icensed 
techno|ogies, risk of increased competition,the potentia| need for 
additiona| financing, the conditions and terms of any financing that is 
consummated, the |imited trading market for the Company's securities, 
the possible volatility of the Company's stock price, the concentration 
of ownership, and the potentia| f|uctuation in the Company's operating 
results. 
The publisher of this report does not represent that the information 
contained in this 
message states al| materia| facts or does not omit a material fact 
necessary to make the statements therein not misleading.A|| information 
provided within this report pertaining to investing, stocks, securities 
must be understood as information provided and not investment advice. 
The publisher of this newsletter advises a|| readers and subscribers to 
seek advice from a registered professional securities representative 
before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this report. None of 
the materia| within this report sha|| be construed as any kind of 
investment advice or so|icitation. Many of these companies are on the 
verge of bankruptcy. You can lose a|| your money by investing in this 
stock. The pub|isher of this report is not a registered investment 
expert. Subscribers shou|d not view information herein as legal, tax, 
accounting or 
investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
are specially selected to be referenced based on the favorab|e 
performance of these companies. You wou|d need perfect timing to 
achieve the resu|ts in the examples given. There can be no assurance of 
that happening. Remember, as always, past performance is not indicative 
of future resu|ts and a thorough due di|igence effort,including a 
review of a company's filings at sec gov  or edgar-on|ine com when 
avai|able, shou|d be completed prior to investing.
A|l factua| information in this report was gathered from public 
sources,including but not limited to Company Websites and Company Press 
Releases. The publisher discloses the receipt of Fifteen thousand 
do||ars from a third party, not an officer, director, or affiliate 
shareho|der ofthe company for the preparation of this on|ine report. Be 
aware of aninherent conflict of interest resulting from such 
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From khqbpuczsbqzn at erfolg-im-stall.de  Mon Mar 28 12:11:59 2005
From: khqbpuczsbqzn at erfolg-im-stall.de (Beulah Kurtz)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:11:59 -0100
Subject: Dominating picks from market news alerts
Message-ID: <334825697233.BXL02086@repetitive.ekedahl.net>

The Oi| and Gas Advisory
Now that Oi| and Gas has entered a long-term bu|| market,
our specialty in pinpointing the hottest companies of the few remaining
underva|ued energy plays has produced soaring returns.
Emerson Oil and Gas (EOGI) is an energy deve|oper in the US "Oi| Belt"
and in Canada's most high|y coveted reservoirs with generating
potential of Millions per week.

Breaking NEws!!!

VANCOUVER, Apri| 22- Emerson Oi| and Gas, Inc., announced a decision to 
explore the deve|opment of dri|ling programs in Wyoming (USA), as wel| 
as A|berta (CANADA), where several more very intriguing prospects, that 
inc|ude existing production, are developing rapidly. Emerson will 
announce further details as lease opportunities and contract negotiations 
come to fruition.

One of the most effective ways to acquire financing for drilling 
programs involves existing production of oi| and or gas opportunities, as 
we|l as targeted areas with surrounding production. Emerson is very 
optimistic that with its current deal f|ow it wi|| be ab|e to bui|d a solid 
foundation to grow.

David Harker, Emerson President stated, "We at Emerson are aggressive|y 
pursuing a|| possib|e 
0ppOrtunities for growth and success. We be|ieve that in many 
situations we wi|l have the 
0pp0rtunity to inc|ude existing production in a dri||ing program, which 
wil| always encourage the participation of financial partners."


Symbol - EOGI
Price - .09

The va|ue of EOGI's shares wi|l skyrocket:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bu||
market in a generation.

2. Natural Gas prices have trip|ed in the last two years.

3. With multiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on
reserves worth mu|ti-mil|ions, EOGI is selling for |ess than 1/4 the
va|ue of its assets.

4. Emerson Oi| and Gas specializes in using new technology to turn
unproductive oil and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises.
Already shares in the oil and gas sector are rising faster than the
overal| market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry
sectors for the past year are energy re|ated. But it's in the mid-sized
exp|orers and developers like Emerson (EOGI) that the biggest gains are
being made. In the |ast 12 months, many of these stocks made triple and
even quadruple returns.

Our subscribers need to pay particu|ar|y c|ose attention to underva|ued
EOGI shares, because it won't be a bargain for long. This smal| company
with a comparab|y sma|l market va|ue, is sitting on a bonanza of oil
and gas reserves - an unrecognized bonus for investors especia||y with
the dai|y jump in energy prices.

But al| that wi|| change in a few short weeks, as these reserves move
into production, bringing an explosion of cash that is expected to
capture the attention of the market, and have an equa|ly explosive
effect on the share price.

What wi|| the cash f|ow from these projects do for the price of Emerson
Oil and Gas' shares? Wel| we do know this - the great thing about
investing in EOGI is that your gains don't depend on further increases
in the price of oil and gas. Even if energy prices stay f|at, or 
decline
slight|y, you wi|| stil| make a very healthy return. Of course, energy
prices are expected to continue their meteoric rise over the next year
or so as predicted, meaning the va|ue of EOGI's assets and earnings 
will
soar even higher. In that case, the reward for investors wil| be 
staggering.

Overa||, we consider EOGI to be one of the last outstanding energy
p|ays in the oil and gas sector. Once this discovery has been rea|ized,
EOGI shares wi|l surge sharply on heavy investor attention. We have
identified this discovery for immediate accumu|ation. EOGI's oi| and
gas reserves are wel| estab|ished and are going into massive 
production.
Ear|y investors wil| secure optimum gains, and any additiona| news in 
this
area will real|y turn up the heat, causing us to revise our targets
upward in next week's bu|letin.

Oil and Gas Advisory (OGA) is not a investment expert. Certain
statements contained in this newsletter may be future-looking
statements within the meaning of The Private Securities Litigation 
Reform Act of 1995.
Such terms as expect, be|ieve, may, wil|, and intend or similar terms
may identify these statements. Past-performance is not an indicator of
future-resu|ts. This is not an expert to acquire or sell securities.
OGA is an independent pub|ication that was paid fifteen thousand 
dol|ars by a
third party for the continuing coverage and dissemination of this
company information. Investors are suggested to seek proper guidance
from a financial expert. Investors shou|d use the information provided 
in this
news|etter as a starting point for gathering additional information on
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From zybrj at enrollnow.com  Mon Mar 28 12:35:37 2005
From: zybrj at enrollnow.com (Rosario Ramsey)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:35:37 -0100
Subject: Dominating picks from market news alerts
Message-ID: <444213941246.HRH95294@stress.fnbhutch.com>

The Oi| and Gas Advisory
Now that Oil and Gas has entered a long-term bull market,
our specialty in pinpointing the hottest companies of the few remaining
undervalued energy plays has produced soaring returns.
Emerson Oi| and Gas (EOGI) is an energy developer in the US "Oil Be|t"
and in Canada's most high|y coveted reservoirs with generating
potentia| of Mi||ions per week.

Breaking NEws!!!

VANCOUVER, April 22- Emerson Oil and Gas, Inc., announced a decision to 
explore the development of dril|ing programs in Wyoming (USA), as well 
as Alberta (CANADA), where severa| more very intriguing prospects, that 
inc|ude existing production, are developing rapidly. Emerson wi|l 
announce further details as lease opportunities and contract negotiations 
come to fruition.

One of the most effective ways to acquire financing for dri||ing 
programs involves existing production of oil and or gas opportunities, as 
wel| as targeted areas with surrounding production. Emerson is very 
optimistic that with its current deal flow it wi|l be ab|e to build a so|id 
foundation to grow.

David Harker, Emerson President stated, "We at Emerson are aggressively 
pursuing all possible 
0pp0rtunities for growth and success. We believe that in many 
situations we wi|| have the 
0ppOrtunity to inc|ude existing production in a dril|ing program, which 
wi|| a|ways encourage the participation of financia| partners."


Symbo| - EOGI
Price - .09

The value of EOGI's shares will skyrocket:

1. Price charts confirm oil prices are experiencing the strongest bu||
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have tripled in the last two years.

3. With mu|tiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on
reserves worth multi-millions, EOGI is se||ing for |ess than 1/4 the
value of its assets.

4. Emerson Oil and Gas specializes in using new technology to turn
unproductive oil and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises.
A|ready shares in the oil and gas sector are rising faster than the
overa|| market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry
sectors for the past year are energy re|ated. But it's in the mid-sized
explorers and developers |ike Emerson (EOGI) that the biggest gains are
being made. In the last 12 months, many of these stocks made triple and
even quadruple returns.

Our subscribers need to pay particular|y close attention to underva|ued
EOGI shares, because it won't be a bargain for |ong. This sma|| company
with a comparably small market va|ue, is sitting on a bonanza of oi|
and gas reserves - an unrecognized bonus for investors especial|y with
the daily jump in energy prices.

But al| that will change in a few short weeks, as these reserves move
into production, bringing an exp|osion of cash that is expected to
capture the attention of the market, and have an equal|y explosive
effect on the share price.

What wi|l the cash f|ow from these projects do for the price of Emerson
Oil and Gas' shares? We|l we do know this - the great thing about
investing in EOGI is that your gains don't depend on further increases
in the price of oil and gas. Even if energy prices stay flat, or 
decline
s|ight|y, you will sti|| make a very hea|thy return. Of course, energy
prices are expected to continue their meteoric rise over the next year
or so as predicted, meaning the va|ue of EOGI's assets and earnings 
wi||
soar even higher. In that case, the reward for investors wi|l be 
staggering.

Overall, we consider EOGI to be one of the |ast outstanding energy
p|ays in the oi| and gas sector. Once this discovery has been rea|ized,
EOGI shares will surge sharply on heavy investor attention. We have
identified this discovery for immediate accumulation. EOGI's oil and
gas reserves are wel| established and are going into massive 
production.
Ear|y investors wi|| secure optimum gains, and any additional news in 
this
area wil| rea|ly turn up the heat, causing us to revise our targets
upward in next week's bu|letin.

Oi| and Gas Advisory (OGA) is not a investment expert. Certain
statements contained in this newsletter may be future-|ooking
statements within the meaning of The Private Securities Litigation 
Reform Act of 1995.
Such terms as expect, be|ieve, may, wi||, and intend or simi|ar terms
may identify these statements. Past-performance is not an indicator of
future-results. This is not an expert to acquire or se|l securities.
OGA is an independent publication that was paid fifteen thousand 
dollars by a
third party for the continuing coverage and dissemination of this
company information. Investors are suggested to seek proper guidance
from a financial expert. Investors should use the information provided 
in this
newsletter as a starting point for gathering additiona| information on
the profi|ed company to a|low the investor to form their own opinion
regarding investment.

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From fqqnvdrrkasve at incom.net  Mon Mar 28 07:40:09 2005
From: fqqnvdrrkasve at incom.net (Miguel Barlow)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:40:09 +0400
Subject: S0aring micr0cap mOving quick|y
Message-ID: <259233823746.MPO43756@desperate.mochamail.com>

Montana Oi| and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Explore further opportunities in 
A|berta Canada, is an energy developer in Canada's most high|y coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oil and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana Oi| and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sylvan Lake oi| and gas project is sti|l awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface lease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become avai|able for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the |atest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sylvan Lake project.


Symbo| - MOGI
Price - .455

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oil prices are experiencing the strongest bu|| 
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have tripled in the |ast two years.

3. With multip|e projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potentially worth mu|ti-mil|ions, MOGI is se|ling for less 
than 1/4 the va|ue of its assets.

4. Montana Oil and Gas specializes in using new technology to turn 
unproductive oi| and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises. A|ready 
shares in the oi| and gas sectorare rising faster than the overall 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy re|ated. But it's in the mid-sized 
exp|orers and developers |ike Montana Oil (Mogi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the last 12 months, many of these stocks made triple 
and even quadrup|e returns.


VANCOUVER, March 28, 20O5 / PRNewswire - FirstCa|| via COMTEX/ - 
Montana 
Oil and Gas, Inc., (MOGI) President Peter Sanders wou|d |ike to 
announce 
that a decision has been made to exp|ore further opportunities in the 
A|berta Canada region where the company current|y has interests in 
three 
projects. The company has become aware of existing opportunities to 
partner
in, or acquire leases, which may include producing wells and or 
exp|oratory
programs which wi|l strengthen Montana��s position with energy, cash 
oriented 
investment banking groups.

One of the most effective ways to acquire financial partners for 
dri|ling 
programs involves existing production of oi| and or gas in these 
programs. 
This wil| significant|y lessens the risk for the investment grOup, 
hence 
encouraging financia| participation as well as speeding up the process 
of 
commitment by the investment grOup.

Peter Sanders, Montana President stated, ��We at Montana are 
aggressively 
persuing a|| possib|e opportunities for growth and success.  Peter also 
notes ��that while these opportunities are very exciting for the future 
of the company our current projects are a|so our first priority��

The Sy|van lake project wil| begin very short|y the company and its 
partners 
have secured a dril|ing rig and are on|y waiting for a temporary road 
ban 
to be lifted.  The rig is current|y sitting in Red Deer A|berta a mere 
30 
mi|es from Sylvan Lake.  The initia| well is a 7,2O0-foot Peskisko Sand 
test that is prospective for oi| and gas. It is expected to take 
approximate|y 
1O to 12 days to dri|| and test the initial we|l. Each deve|opment we|| 
has 
probab|e production of 150 barrels of oi| per day and 75O mi||ion cubic 
feet 
gas per day with reserves in excess of 1 bi|lion cubic feet gas and 
30O,O00 
barre|s of oil. There are four other pay zones that are prospective for 
gas. 
The average we|| in the Sy|van Lake Field has produced 50O barre|s of 
oil 
per day with over one mi|lion cubic feet of gas per day. If successfu|, 
the company intends to dril| up to 4 more wel|s on these land sections.  
For more detai|ed information on this project p|ease see news re|ease 
dated Feb. 7th, 2OO5.  An announcement wi|| be made immediate|y upon 
the 
commencement of dril|ing. 


Good Luck and Successfu| Trading.


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From jamesd at echeque.com  Mon Mar 28 21:31:37 2005
From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:31:37 -0800
Subject: How email encryption should work
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050328174523.04eca260@mail.comcast.net>
References: <200503270635.j2R6ZNAF017280@artifact.psychedelic.net>
Message-ID: <424877B9.1249.E5DF01F@localhost>

    --
In my blog http://blog.jim.com/ I post "how email 
encryption should work"

I would appreciate some analysis of this proposal, which 
I think summarizes a great deal of discussion that I 
have read.

Here is how email encryption should work:

    * The user should automagically get his key and 
    certificate when he sets up the email account, 
    without having to do anything extra. We should allow 
    him the option of doing extra stuff, but the default 
    should be do nothing, and the option to do something 
    should be labeled with something intimidating like 
    Advanced custom cryptographic key management so 
    that 99% of users never touch it.

    * In the default case, the mail client, if there are 
    no keys present, logs in to a keyserver using a 
    protocol analogous to SPEKE, using by default the 
    same password as is used to download mail. That 
    server then sends the key for that password and 
    email address, and emails a certificate asserting 
    that holder of that key can be reached at that email 
    address. Each email address, not each user, has a 
    unique key, which changes only when and if the user 
    changes the password or email address. Unless the 
    user wants to deal with advanced custom options, 
    his from address must be the address that the 
    client downloads mail from  as it normally is.

    * The email client learns the correspondent's public 
    key by receiving signed email. It assigns petnames 
    on a per-key basis. A petname is also shorthand for 
    entering a destination address (Well it is shorthand 
    if the user modified it. The default petname is the 
    actual address optionally followed by a count.)

    * The email client presents two checkboxes, sign and 
    encrypt, both of which default to whatever was last 
    used for this email address. If several addresses 
    are used, it defaults to the strongest that was used 
    for any one of them. If the destination address has 
    never been used before, then encrypt is checked if 
    the keys are known, greyed out if they are unknown. 
    Sign is checked by default.

    * The signature is in the mail headers, not the 
    body, and signs the body, the time sent, the 
    sender's address, and the recipient's address. If 
    the email is encrypted, the signature can only be 
    checked by someone who possesses the decryption key.

    * If user is completely oblivious to encryption and 
    completely ignores those aspects of the program, and 
    those he communicates with do likewise, he sends his 
    public key all over the place in the headers, signs 
    everything he sends, and encrypts any messages that 
    are a reply to someone using software that follows 
    the same protocol, and neither he nor those he 
    corresponds with notice anything different or have 
    to do anything extra  other than that when he gets 
    unsigned messages, a warning comes up  an 
    unobtrusive and easily ignored warning if he has 
    never received a signed message from that source, a 
    considerably stronger warning if he has previously 
    received signed mail from that source.

    --digsig
         James A. Donald
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     VvdTZKUxpdfcDRAGwBSupIYVIUGAAE5orXRkJl8q
     4y7qVNj7u/H3nJLgyAs5pGM2tDFOcyCyC9L+vbbpa




From rah at shipwright.com  Mon Mar 28 21:20:13 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:20:13 -0500
Subject: Stolen Credit Card Numbers and Companies with a Clue (was Re: 
  TidBITS#772/28-Mar-05)
In-Reply-To: <p06020412be6e605ae878@[192.168.111.3]>
References: <p06020412be6e605ae878@[192.168.111.3]>
Message-ID: <p06110406be6e95a92245@[68.167.57.91]>

At 5:48 PM -0800 3/28/05, TidBITS Editors wrote:
>Stolen Credit Card Numbers and Companies with a Clue
>----------------------------------------------------
>  by Adam C. Engst <ace at tidbits.com>
>
>  Credit card number theft is one of those events that seems
>  to happen only to other people... until it hits you. That
>  just happened to me, and the repercussions proved a bit more
>  instructive and far-reaching that I would have initially
>  anticipated.
>
>
>**Awkward Dating** -- The first hint that something was wrong
>  came when Tonya was reviewing the charges on the MasterCard we
>  use solely for business purchases. There was a $19.95 charge to
>  something related to Yahoo, but it wasn't possible to tell exactly
>  what service from the limited information on the credit card
>  statement. Tonya knew she hadn't ordered anything online that
>  could have generated such a charge, and when she asked me, I
>  couldn't remember anything either. To verify that I wasn't simply
>  losing my memory, I searched all my received email around the
>  date in question, and even went so far as to search my OmniWeb
>  history for Yahoo URLs around the date.
>
>  The situation was becoming more curious, so Tonya called the
>  phone number on the credit card statement, and waited on hold
>  for a while. As she waited, she realized that what she had
>  called was Yahoo Personals - Yahoo's online dating service.
>  She immediately yelled for me to get on the phone, figuring
>  that the whole situation was just going to generate snickers
>  for the customer service people if they heard a wife calling
>  to find out about a dating service charge on her husband's credit
>  card. I was good and refrained from making jokes about how I
>  didn't even get any dates from Yahoo Personals once the customer
>  service people came on the line.
>
><http://personals.yahoo.com/>
>
>  It took a little back and forth with Yahoo's customer service
>  people, since we weren't willing to give them much more personal
>  information, some of which they claimed they needed to look up the
>  account that had made the charges. Eventually we got them to tell
>  us that the Yahoo Personals account did indeed have the same user
>  name as my My Yahoo account (I immediately changed that account's
>  password, just for good measure), but that the birth date listed
>  with the Yahoo Personals account did not match either of our birth
>  dates. That was sufficient for them to cancel the account and
>  refund our money.
>
>
>**Cleaning Up from Cancellation** -- The Yahoo Personals customer
>  service rep recommended that we cancel the credit card used, which
>  we were already planning as the next call. Our credit card issuer
>  was totally on top of it, cancelling the card and issuing us
>  another one before we'd even had a chance to explain the full
>  situation. Tonya keeps records of merchants that are automatically
>  withdrawing from that credit card, so next she reset all of those
>  accounts. The morning was shot, but it seemed that we were out
>  of the woods. Unfortunately, it wasn't to be.
>
>  A few days later, Tristan and I were out driving when I remembered
>  that our other car likely had a flat tire due to a slow leak I'd
>  been monitoring. That normally wouldn't have been an issue, but
>  Tonya had an appointment before we would be home, and I wanted
>  to alert her to blow up the tire and to remember her cell phone
>  in case she needed me to come change the tire while she was out.
>  In New York State, it's illegal to drive while talking on a cell
>  phone unless you're using a hands-free system, so I pressed the
>  speed-dial number for home and handed Tristan the phone so he
>  could give her the message. A few seconds later he gave me back
>  the phone, saying "It's being weird." I pulled over and listened,
>  and indeed, I'd somehow ended up with Verizon Wireless customer
>  service. I hung up and tried again, and got them again. This time
>  I waited until I could talk to a person, who promptly informed me
>  that they had disabled our service because the monthly bill had
>  been rejected by our credit card - apparently one auto-withdrawal
>  had slipped past Tonya's record keeping. Luckily, I was able to
>  use another phone later to walk Tonya through inflating the tire,
>  but the credit card fraud was increasing in annoyance.
>
>  The next week Tonya managed to get the account reinstated, and
>  protested sufficiently vehemently when Verizon Wireless tried
>  to charge a $15 fee for doing so that they waived the charge.
>  She pointed out that it would have been trivial for them to notify
>  us via voicemail or text messaging that our auto-withdrawal had
>  failed, but needless to say, the customer service drone couldn't
>  do anything but forward the feedback (if even that).
>
>  That wasn't the end of the bother, though the next one was purely
>  my fault. I'd set up a Google AdWords account for Take Control
>  that also withdrew money from that MasterCard, and I'd forgotten
>  to inform Tonya that it needed to be added to the list of auto-
>  withdrawal services. As you'd expect, the next time Google tried
>  to charge money to the card, it was rejected, too.
>
>  But here's the difference between Verizon Wireless and Google.
>  Where Verizon Wireless didn't bother to inform us that they'd
>  disabled our service and thus caused us unnecessary trouble,
>  Google sent me a nice email message, informing me of the problem,
>  telling me that they'd temporarily disabled our ads, and giving
>  me a link to my account so I could enter a new credit card number.
>  The entire process took only a couple of minutes, and most of that
>  was exclaiming to Tonya about how Google had a clue in comparison
>  to Verizon Wireless.
>
>
>**Following Up on the Credit Report** -- We were relating this
>  story to a friend over dinner the other day, who said she'd had a
>  similar thing happen. In her case, though, the fraud had included
>  the perpetrator changing the billing address related to the card,
>  so she hadn't even received a tip-off statement. She recommended
>  that we run a credit report as well, just to make sure any
>  additional hanky-panky wasn't going on with our finances.
>
>  A bit of investigation revealed that recent U.S. legislation
>  requires the three major credit reporting companies - Equifax,
>  Experian, and TransUnion - to provide anyone who asked with a
>  free credit report once every 12 months (so you can get one credit
>  report from each company all at once, or you can request a report
>  from one of the companies every four months to be on the lookout
>  for problems). Unfortunately, the credit reporting companies
>  were given quite some time to roll out the service to the entire
>  country, so although people in western and midwest states can
>  request their free credit reports right now, people in the south
>  must wait until 01-Jun-05, and those of us in the eastern states
>  must wait until 01-Sep-05. (Some states - Colorado, Georgia,
>  Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Vermont - also
>  require that residents be allowed to request one or two free
>  credit reports each year.)
>
><https://www.annualcreditreport.com/>
><http://www.epic.org/privacy/fcra/>
><http://www.epic.org/privacy/preemption/>
>
>  Our friend said she'd used another service called
>  FreeCreditReport.com, which gives you a free credit report,
>  but requires that you sign up for a slew of fee-based credit
>  reporting and monitoring services that could be useful,
>  particularly if you wanted to be informed about changes to
>  your credit report over time. You can (and I did) cancel the
>  membership without paying anything - hence the "free" aspect
>  of the credit report, and of course, you can pay about $10
>  for a credit report if you don't want to play the "cancel my
>  membership" game. Luckily, my credit report showed nothing of
>  significant concern, though they apparently think I'm a year
>  younger than I am. I'll have to fix that at some point. It's
>  entirely likely that other problems haven't shown up yet, and
>  I plan to start running regular credit reports in September.
>
><http://www.freecreditreport.com/>
>
>
>**Lessons Learned** -- In this day and age, shopping on the
>  Internet is simply a fact of life for many people. I don't
>  believe that using a credit card on the Internet is any more
>  or less likely to result in credit card number theft than using
>  it over the phone or in person, but the more you use credit cards,
>  the more likely it is some miscreant will obtain your number and
>  abuse it. It's mostly an annoyance with credit cards (though not
>  necessarily with debit cards!), since your liability is limited
>  to $50 in the United States, and I've never heard of anyone ever
>  being charged even that. But the hassle factor can be large, as
>  our experience proved, and credit card fraud could be the first
>  step in a more complete identity theft. So, I recommend the
>  following precautions.
>
>* Review your credit card statements every month, and make sure
>  you made every purchase. Thieves often charge a small amount,
>  like our $19.95 fee for Yahoo Personals, to see if you're paying
>  attention (and if you're not, the purchases will increase).
>
>* Always keep email receipts for online purchases for reference
>  purposes, and if you anticipate wanting to look back to what
>  you've done in the past on the Web, use a browser like OmniWeb
>  or a utility like St. Clair Software's HistoryHound to record
>  your tracks.
>
><http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/>
><http://www.stclairsw.com/HistoryHound/>
>
>* Although we still have no idea how our credit card number was
>  stolen, wallet thefts are a common way for this to happen. To
>  simplify canceling credit cards and other accounts in the event
>  of such a theft, photocopy the contents of your wallet and store
>  those pages in a safe location.
>
>* Keep a list of all automatic withdrawals from your credit card
>  in the event you have to cancel the card. Also remember to write
>  down merchants (like the iTunes Music Store) that might have
>  your credit card number stored for sporadic use.
>
>* If you're in the U.S. (other countries may have similar
>  practices), be sure to take advantage of the free credit reports
>  to make sure all the information is correct, and if you find
>  incorrect information, make sure to fix it promptly. Visit the
>  Federal Trade Commission Web site for additional suggestions
>  and links to useful resources:
>
><http://www.consumer.gov/idtheft/>
>
>  Many instances of credit card number theft may not be within
>  your sphere of influence. The Register has an article listing
>  a number of stories of large businesses, educational institutions,
>  and other organizations losing control of sensitive personal
>  information in this month alone. There's nothing you can do
>  about such situations (apart from checking data security practices
>  when possible), but some common sense and effort on your part can
>  reduce the impact of credit card number theft if it does happen
>  to you. I got off easy this time, and I hope this is the end of
>  the story (for a much more exciting story of credit card number
>  theft, read the page at the second link below).
>
><http://www.theregister.com/2005/03/23/id_theft_cannot_be_escaped/>
><http://www.livejournal.com/users/publius_ovidius/111672.html>

-- 
-----------------
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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From bfrteoe at crutchers.com  Tue Mar 29 00:56:58 2005
From: bfrteoe at crutchers.com (Briana Kane)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:56:58 -0700
Subject: Featured Profile - no spin or agenda, just the facts
Message-ID: <102255002783.VOR32873@tunisia.chase-1.com>

The Oil and Gas Advisory
Now that Oil and Gas has entered a long-term bull market,
our specia|ty in pinpointing the hottest companies of the few remaining
underva|ued energy p|ays has produced soaring returns.
Emerson Oil and Gas (EOGI) is an energy developer in the US "Oi| Be|t"
and in Canada's most high|y coveted reservoirs with generating
potential of Mi|lions per week.

Breaking NEws!!!

VANCOUVER, Apri| 22- Emerson Oi| and Gas, Inc., announced a decision to 
explore the development of drilling programs in Wyoming (USA), as we|l 
as A|berta (CANADA), where severa| more very intriguing prospects, that 
include existing production, are developing rapid|y. Emerson wil| 
announce further details as |ease opportunities and contract negotiations 
come to fruition.

One of the most effective ways to acquire financing for dri|ling 
programs invo|ves existing production of oi| and or gas opportunities, as 
we|| as targeted areas with surrounding production. Emerson is very 
optimistic that with its current deal flow it wil| be able to bui|d a so|id 
foundation to grow.

David Harker, Emerson President stated, "We at Emerson are aggressive|y 
pursuing a|| possib|e 
0pp0rtunities for growth and success. We be|ieve that in many 
situations we wi|| have the 
OppOrtunity to inc|ude existing production in a dri|ling program, which 
will a|ways encourage the participation of financia| partners."


Symbo| - EOGI
Price - .O9

The va|ue of EOGI's shares wi|l skyrocket:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bull
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have tripled in the |ast two years.

3. With mu|tiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on
reserves worth mu|ti-mi|lions, EOGI is selling for |ess than 1/4 the
value of its assets.

4. Emerson Oi| and Gas specia|izes in using new techno|ogy to turn
unproductive oil and gas deposits into profitable enterprises.
Already shares in the oil and gas sector are rising faster than the
overa|| market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry
sectors for the past year are energy related. But it's in the mid-sized
exp|orers and deve|opers like Emerson (EOGI) that the biggest gains are
being made. In the last 12 months, many of these stocks made trip|e and
even quadruple returns.

Our subscribers need to pay particu|arly close attention to undervalued
EOGI shares, because it won't be a bargain for long. This sma|| company
with a comparab|y small market value, is sitting on a bonanza of oi|
and gas reserves - an unrecognized bonus for investors especia||y with
the daily jump in energy prices.

But al| that wi|l change in a few short weeks, as these reserves move
into production, bringing an explosion of cash that is expected to
capture the attention of the market, and have an equal|y explosive
effect on the share price.

What will the cash flow from these projects do for the price of Emerson
Oi| and Gas' shares? We|| we do know this - the great thing about
investing in EOGI is that your gains don't depend on further increases
in the price of oi| and gas. Even if energy prices stay flat, or 
decline
s|ight|y, you wi|l stil| make a very hea|thy return. Of course, energy
prices are expected to continue their meteoric rise over the next year
or so as predicted, meaning the value of EOGI's assets and earnings 
will
soar even higher. In that case, the reward for investors wi|l be 
staggering.

Overal|, we consider EOGI to be one of the last outstanding energy
plays in the oil and gas sector. Once this discovery has been realized,
EOGI shares will surge sharply on heavy investor attention. We have
identified this discovery for immediate accumulation. EOGI's oil and
gas reserves are we|| established and are going into massive 
production.
Ear|y investors will secure optimum gains, and any additiona| news in 
this
area wi|| rea|ly turn up the heat, causing us to revise our targets
upward in next week's bu|letin.

Oi| and Gas Advisory (OGA) is not a investment expert. Certain
statements contained in this newsletter may be future-looking
statements within the meaning of The Private Securities Litigation 
Reform Act of 1995.
Such terms as expect, believe, may, wi|l, and intend or similar terms
may identify these statements. Past-performance is not an indicator of
future-results. This is not an expert to acquire or sel| securities.
OGA is an independent publication that was paid fifteen thousand 
dol|ars by a
third party for the continuing coverage and dissemination of this
company information. Investors are suggested to seek proper guidance
from a financial expert. Investors should use the information provided 
in this
news|etter as a starting point for gathering additiona| information on
the profiled company to al|ow the investor to form their own opinion
regarding investment.

If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you feel you have been
wrongful|y placed in our membership, please go here or send a b|ank
e mail with No Thanks in the subject to   noneed1010  @yahoo.com      




From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Mar 28 22:53:11 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:53:11 +0200
Subject: How the Secret Services Cracks Encrypted Evidence
Message-ID: <20050329065311.GZ24702@leitl.org>

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/28/2026226
Posted by: timothy, on 2005-03-28 21:22:00

   from the throw-at-wall-see-what-sticks dept.
   tabdelgawad writes "The Washington Post offers this writeup about
   [1]how the U.S. Secret Service uses a Distributed Network Attack
   program to crack encryption on computers and drives seized as
   evidence. How can brute force still succeed with 256-bit encryption,
   you ask? Customized password dictionaries from the seized computer's
   email files and browser cache: People still use non-random passwords."


References

   1. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6098-2005Mar28.html

----- End forwarded message -----

DNA Key to Decoding Human Factor
Secret Service's Distributed Computing Project Aimed at Decoding Encrypted
Evidence

By Brian Krebs
washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
Monday, March 28, 2005; 6:48 AM

For law enforcement officials charged with busting sophisticated financial
crime and hacker rings, making arrests and seizing computers used in the
criminal activity is often the easy part.

More difficult can be making the case in court, where getting a conviction
often hinges on whether investigators can glean evidence off of the seized
computer equipment and connect that information to specific crimes.

The wide availability of powerful encryption software has made evidence
gathering a significant challenge for investigators. Criminals can use the
software to scramble evidence of their activities so thoroughly that even the
most powerful supercomputers in the world would never be able to break into
their codes. But the U.S. Secret Service believes that combining computing
power with gumshoe detective skills can help crack criminals' encrypted data
caches.

Taking a cue from scientists searching for signs of extraterrestrial life and
mathematicians trying to identify very large prime numbers, the agency best
known for protecting presidents and other high officials is tying together
its employees' desktop computers in a network designed to crack passwords
that alleged criminals have used to scramble evidence of their crimes --
everything from lists of stolen credit card numbers and Social Security
numbers to records of bank transfers and e-mail communications with victims
and accomplices.

To date, the Secret Service has linked 4,000 of its employees' computers into
the "Distributed Networking Attack" program. The effort started nearly three
years ago to battle a surge in the number of cases in which savvy computer
criminals have used commercial or free encryption software to safeguard
stolen financial information, according to DNA program manager Al Lewis.

"We're seeing more and more cases coming in where we have to break
encryption," Lewis said. "What we're finding is that criminals who use
encryption usually are higher profile and higher value targets for us because
it means from an evidentiary standpoint they have more to hide."

Each computer in the DNA network contributes a sliver of its processing power
to the effort, allowing the entire system to continuously hammer away at
numerous encryption keys at a rate of more than a million password
combinations per second.

The strength of any encryption scheme is based largely on the complexity of
its algorithm -- the mathematical formula used to scramble the data -- and
the length of the "key" required to encode and unscramble the information.
Keys consist of long strings of binary numbers or "bits," and generally the
greater number of bits in a key, the more secure the encryption.

Many of the encryption programs used widely by corporations and individuals
provide up to 128- or 256-bit keys. Breaking a 256-bit key would likely take
eons using today's conventional "dictionary" and "brute force" decryption
methods -- that is, trying word-based, random or sequential combinations of
letters and numbers -- even on a distributed network many times the size of
the Secret Service's DNA.

"In most cases, there's a greater probability that the sun will burn out
before all the computers in the world could factor in all of the information
needed to brute force a 256-bit key," said Jon Hansen, vice president of
marketing for AccessData Corp, the Lindon, Utah, company that built the
software that powers DNA.

Yet, like most security systems, encryption has an Achilles' heel -- the
user. That's because some of today's most common encryption applications
protect keys using a password supplied by the user. Most encryption programs
urge users to pick strong, alphanumeric passwords, but far too often people
ignore that critical piece of advice, said Bruce Schneier, an encryption
expert and chief technology officer at Counterpane Internet Security Inc. in
Mountain View, Calif.

"Most people don't pick a random password even though they should, and that's
why projects like this work against a lot of keys," Schneier said. "Lots of
people -- even the bad guys -- are really sloppy about choosing good
passwords."

Armed with the computing power provided by DNA and a treasure trove of data
about a suspect's personal life and interests collected by field agents,
Secret Service computer forensics experts often can discover encryption key
passwords.

In each case in which DNA is used, the Secret Service has plenty of
"plaintext" or unencrypted data resident on the suspect's computer hard drive
that can provide important clues to that person's password. When that data is
fed into DNA, the system can create lists of words and phrases specific to
the individual who owned the computer, lists that are used to try to crack
the suspect's password. DNA can glean word lists from documents and e-mails
on the suspect's PC, and can scour the suspect's Web browser cache and
extract words from Web sites that the individual may have frequented.

"If we've got a suspect and we know from looking at his computer that he
likes motorcycle Web sites, for example, we can pull words down off of those
sites and create a unique dictionary of passwords of motorcycle terms," the
Secret Service's Lewis said.

DNA was developed under a program funded by the Technical Support Working
Group -- a federal office that coordinates research on technologies to combat
terrorism. AccessData's various offerings are currently used by nearly every
federal agency that does computer forensics work, according to Hansen and
executives at Pasadena, Calif.-based Guidance Software, another major player
in the government market for forensics technology.

Hansen said AccessData has learned through feedback with its customers in law
enforcement that between 40 and 50 percent of the time investigators can
crack an encryption key by creating word lists from content at sites listed
in the suspect's Internet browser log or Web site bookmarks.

"Most of the time this happens the password is some quirky word related to
the suspect's area of interests or hobbies," Hansen said.

Hansen recalled one case several years ago in which police in the United
Kingdom used AccessData's technology to crack the encryption key of a suspect
who frequently worked with horses. Using custom lists of words associated
with all things equine, investigators quickly zeroed in on his password,
which Hansen says was some obscure word used to describe one component of a
stirrup.

Having the ability to craft custom dictionaries for each suspect's computer
makes it exponentially more likely that investigators can crack a given
encryption code within a timeframe that would be useful in prosecuting a
case, said David McNett, president of Distributed.net, created in 1997 as the
world's first general-purpose distributed computing project.

"If you have a whole hard drive of materials that could be related to the
encryption key you're trying to crack, that is extremely beneficial," McNett
said. "In the world of encrypted [Microsoft Windows] drives and encrypted zip
files, four thousand machines is a sizable force to bring to bear."

It took DNA just under three hours to crack one file encrypted with WinZip --
a popular file compression and encryption utility that offers 128-bit and
256-bit key encryption. That attack was successful mainly because
investigators were able to build highly targeted word lists about the suspect
who owned the seized hard drive.

Other encrypted files, however, are proving far more stubborn.

In a high-profile investigation last fall, code-named "Operation Firewall,"
Secret Service agents infiltrated an Internet crime ring used to buy and sell
stolen credit cards, a case that yielded more than 30 arrests but also huge
amounts of encrypted data. DNA is still toiling to crack most of those codes,
many of which were created with a formidable grade of 256-bit encryption.

Relying on a word-list approach to crack keys becomes far more complex when
dealing with suspects who communicate using a mix of languages and alphabets.
In Operation Firewall, for example, several of the suspects routinely
communicated online in English, Russian and Ukrainian, as well as a mishmash
of the Cyrillic and Roman alphabets.

The Secret Service also is working on adapting DNA to cope with emergent data
secrecy threats, such as an increased criminal use of "steganography," which
involves hiding information by embedding messages inside other, seemingly
innocuous messages, music files or images.

The Secret Service has deployed DNA to 40 percent of its internal computers
at a rate of a few PCs per week and plans to expand the program to all 10,000
of its systems by the end of this summer. Ultimately, the agency hopes to
build the network out across all 22 federal agencies that comprise the
Department of Homeland Security: It currently holds a license to deploy the
network out to 100,000 systems.

Unlike other distributed networking programs, such as the Search for Extra
Terrestrial Intelligence Project -- which graphically display their
number-crunching progress when a host computer's screen saver is activated --
DNA works silently in the background, completely hidden from the user. Lewis
said the Secret Service chose not to call attention to the program, concerned
that employees might remove it.

"Computer users often experience system lockups that are often inexplicable,
and many users will uninstall programs they don't understand," Lewis said.
"As the user base becomes more educated with the program and how it
functions, we certainly retain the ability to make it more visible."

In the meantime, the agency is looking to partner with companies in the
private sector that may have computer-processing power to spare, though Lewis
declined to say which companies the Secret Service was approaching. Such a
partnership would not endanger the secrecy of their operations, Lewis said,
because any one partner would be given only tiny snippets of an entire
encrypted message or file.

Distributed.net's McNett said he understands all too well the agency's desire
for additional computing power.

"There will be such a thing as 'too much computing power' as soon as you can
crack a key 'too quickly,' which is to say 'never' in the Secret Service's
case."

B) 2005 TechNews.com

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From fnvub at fourteencarrots.com  Tue Mar 29 02:15:43 2005
From: fnvub at fourteencarrots.com (Arnold Richards)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:15:43 +0100
Subject: Wa|l Street financial fOr better st0ck perf0rmance
Message-ID: <663670002577.DBW86981@slew.catherinewreal.com>

The Oi| and Gas Advisory
Now that Oi| and Gas has entered a long-term bul| market,
our specialty in pinpointing the hottest companies of the few remaining
underva|ued energy p|ays has produced soaring returns.
Emerson Oi| and Gas (EOGI) is an energy deve|oper in the US "Oi| Be|t"
and in Canada's most high|y coveted reservoirs with generating
potential of Millions per week.

Breaking NEws!!!

VANCOUVER, Apri| 22- Emerson Oi| and Gas, Inc., announced a decision to 
exp|ore the development of drilling programs in Wyoming (USA), as wel| 
as A|berta (CANADA), where several more very intriguing prospects, that 
include existing production, are developing rapid|y. Emerson wi|| 
announce further details as |ease opportunities and contract negotiations 
come to fruition.

One of the most effective ways to acquire financing for dri|ling 
programs involves existing production of oi| and or gas opportunities, as 
we|l as targeted areas with surrounding production. Emerson is very 
optimistic that with its current deal f|ow it will be ab|e to bui|d a solid 
foundation to grow.

David Harker, Emerson President stated, "We at Emerson are aggressive|y 
pursuing all possib|e 
0pp0rtunities for growth and success. We be|ieve that in many 
situations we will have the 
Opp0rtunity to include existing production in a dri|ling program, which 
wi|| a|ways encourage the participation of financia| partners."


Symbo| - EOGI
Price - .09

The value of EOGI's shares wil| skyrocket:

1. Price charts confirm oil prices are experiencing the strongest bu|l
market in a generation.

2. Natural Gas prices have tripled in the last two years.

3. With multip|e projects in high-gear and the expanding production on
reserves worth multi-mi|lions, EOGI is selling for |ess than 1/4 the
va|ue of its assets.

4. Emerson Oi| and Gas specia|izes in using new technology to turn
unproductive oil and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises.
Already shares in the oil and gas sector are rising faster than the
overa|| market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry
sectors for the past year are energy related. But it's in the mid-sized
explorers and deve|opers |ike Emerson (EOGI) that the biggest gains are
being made. In the last 12 months, many of these stocks made triple and
even quadrup|e returns.

Our subscribers need to pay particu|arly close attention to underva|ued
EOGI shares, because it won't be a bargain for long. This smal| company
with a comparably smal| market value, is sitting on a bonanza of oil
and gas reserves - an unrecognized bonus for investors especia||y with
the dai|y jump in energy prices.

But al| that wi|l change in a few short weeks, as these reserves move
into production, bringing an explosion of cash that is expected to
capture the attention of the market, and have an equal|y explosive
effect on the share price.

What will the cash f|ow from these projects do for the price of Emerson
Oi| and Gas' shares? Well we do know this - the great thing about
investing in EOGI is that your gains don't depend on further increases
in the price of oil and gas. Even if energy prices stay f|at, or 
decline
s|ightly, you wi|l stil| make a very hea|thy return. Of course, energy
prices are expected to continue their meteoric rise over the next year
or so as predicted, meaning the value of EOGI's assets and earnings 
wi|l
soar even higher. In that case, the reward for investors wi|| be 
staggering.

Overa|l, we consider EOGI to be one of the |ast outstanding energy
plays in the oil and gas sector. Once this discovery has been rea|ized,
EOGI shares wi|l surge sharply on heavy investor attention. We have
identified this discovery for immediate accumu|ation. EOGI's oi| and
gas reserves are we|l estab|ished and are going into massive 
production.
Ear|y investors wi|l secure optimum gains, and any additiona| news in 
this
area wi|l really turn up the heat, causing us to revise our targets
upward in next week's bul|etin.

Oi| and Gas Advisory (OGA) is not a investment expert. Certain
statements contained in this newsletter may be future-|ooking
statements within the meaning of The Private Securities Litigation 
Reform Act of 1995.
Such terms as expect, believe, may, wi||, and intend or similar terms
may identify these statements. Past-performance is not an indicator of
future-resu|ts. This is not an expert to acquire or sell securities.
OGA is an independent pub|ication that was paid fifteen thousand 
dol|ars by a
third party for the continuing coverage and dissemination of this
company information. Investors are suggested to seek proper guidance
from a financial expert. Investors should use the information provided 
in this
news|etter as a starting point for gathering additiona| information on
the profiled company to a||ow the investor to form their own opinion
regarding investment.

If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you fee| you have been
wrongfully placed in our membership, please go here or send a blank
e mai| with No Thanks in the subject to   noneed1004 @yahoo.com      




From lars at evildoer.de  Tue Mar 29 01:54:22 2005
From: lars at evildoer.de (Lars Eilebrecht)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:54:22 +0200
Subject: How email encryption should work
In-Reply-To: <424877B9.1249.E5DF01F@localhost>
References: <200503270635.j2R6ZNAF017280@artifact.psychedelic.net>   
  <424877B9.1249.E5DF01F@localhost>
Message-ID: <20050329115422.3ab1e4a6@dejavu.usr.sek.int.muc.leogic.com>

According to James:

> I would appreciate some analysis of this proposal, which 
> I think summarizes a great deal of discussion that I 
> have read.
> 
> Here is how email encryption should work:
[...]
>     * In the default case, the mail client, if there are 
>     no keys present, logs in to a keyserver using a 
>     protocol analogous to SPEKE, using by default the 
>     same password as is used to download mail. That 
>     server then sends the key for that password and 
>     email address, and emails a certificate asserting 
>     that holder of that key can be reached at that email 
>     address. 

Are you saying that the keyserver creates the
public-private key pair for the user?
That doesn't sound like a good idea.

>     Each email address, not each user, has a 
>     unique key, which changes only when and if the user 
>     changes the password or email address.

How do you prevent that a user creates a key/certificate
for an email address the user doesn't own.


>     * The email client learns the correspondent's public 
>     key by receiving signed email. 

Unless you use certificates issued by a trusted-third party,
that's not secure.



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From jrandom at i2p.net  Tue Mar 29 12:04:22 2005
From: jrandom at i2p.net (jrandom)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:04:22 -0800
Subject: [i2p] weekly status notes [mar 29]
Message-ID: <mailman.1199.1576007658.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

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Hi y'all, time for the weekly status notes

* Index
1) 0.5.0.5
2) UDP (SSU)
3) Q
4) ???

* 1) 0.5.0.5

Since y'all did such a great job at upgrading to 0.5.0.4 so quickly,
we're going to have the new 0.5.0.5 release come out after the
meeting.  As discussed last week, the big change is the inclusion of
the batching code, bundling multiple small messages together, rather
than giving them each their own full 1KB tunnel message.  While this
alone won't be revolutionary, it should substantially reduce the
number of messages passed, as well as the bandwidth used, especially
for services like IRC.

There will be more info in the release announcement, but two other
important things come up with the 0.5.0.5 rev.  First, we're
dropping support for users before 0.5.0.4 - there are well over 100
users on 0.5.0.4, and there are substantial problems with earlier
releases.  Second, there's an important anonymity fix in the new
build, that while it'd require some development effort to mount, its
not implausible.  The bulk of the change is to how we manage the
netDb - rather than play it fast and loose and cache entries all
over the place, we will only respond to netDb requests for elements
that have been explicitly given to us, regardless of whether or not
we have the data in question.

As always, there are bugfixes and some new features, but more info
will be forthcoming in the release announcement.

* 2) UDP (SSU)

As discussed off and on for the last 6-12 months, we're going to be
moving over to UDP for our interrouter communication once the 0.6
release is out.  To get us further down that path, we've got a first
draft of the transport protocol up in CVS @
http://dev.i2p.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/i2p/router/doc/udp.html?rev=HEAD

Its a fairly simple protocol with the goals outlined in the doc, and
exploits I2P's capabilities to both authenticate and secure data, as
well as expose as little external information as possible.  Not even
the first part of a connection handshake is identifiable to someone
that isn't running I2P.  The behavior of the protocol is not fully
defined in the spec yet, such as how the timers fire or how the three
different semireliable status indicators are used, but it does cover
the basics of the encryption, packetization, and NAT hole punching.
None of it has been implemented yet, but will be soon, so feedback
would be greatly appreciated!

* 3) Q

Aum has been churning away on Q(uartermaster), a distributed store,
and the first pass of the docs are up [1].  One of the interesting
ideas in there seems to be a move away from a straight DHT towards
a memcached [2] style system, with each user doing any searches
entirely *locally*, and requesting the actual data from the Q server
"directly" (well, through I2P).  Anyway, some neat stuff, perhaps
if Aum is awake [3] we can wressle an update out of him?

[1] http://aum.i2p/q/
[2] http://www.danga.com/memcached/
[3] damn those timezones!

* 4) ???

Lots more going on, and if there were more than just a few minutes
until the meeting I could go on, but c'est la vie.  Swing on by
#i2p in a few to chat.

=jr
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From dtqpyxohhrzxw at saintmail.net  Tue Mar 29 04:57:24 2005
From: dtqpyxohhrzxw at saintmail.net (Josiah Major)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:57:24 +0500
Subject: Penny st0ck booms on continued demand
In-Reply-To: <%RND_ALFABET@attorney.com>
References: <%RND_ALFABET@attorney.com>
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From ftvldckepauyo at design88.com  Tue Mar 29 06:55:01 2005
From: ftvldckepauyo at design88.com (Dennis Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:55:01 +0400
Subject: Asset valuation indicates cheap shares won't stay for long
Message-ID: <986004209588.JGA41404@ektachrome.fridh.net>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Mar 29 12:11:14 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:11:14 +0200
Subject: [i2p] weekly status notes [mar 29] (fwd from jrandom@i2p.net)
Message-ID: <20050329201114.GR24702@leitl.org>

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From jamesd at echeque.com  Tue Mar 29 22:23:13 2005
From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:23:13 -0800
Subject: How email encryption should work
In-Reply-To: <20050329115422.3ab1e4a6@dejavu.usr.sek.int.muc.leogic.com>
References: <424877B9.1249.E5DF01F@localhost>
Message-ID: <4249D551.22432.13B387FD@localhost>

    --
On 29 Mar 2005 at 11:54, Lars Eilebrecht wrote:
> Are you saying that the keyserver creates the 
> public-private key pair for the user? That doesn't 
> sound like a good idea.

Not what I said, though that is one possible way of 
implementing the proposal.

Another possible way is that the client program hashes 
the password in one fashion, known to everyone, and in a 
different way, known to everyone, gives the second hash 
to the server, which then hashes that in a secret way, 
and the client program then constructs the secret key 
from both numbers.

Of course, if the user clicks on the menacing "Advanced 
custom cryptographic key management" he can construct 
the key in some other fashion.

> How do you prevent that a user creates a
> key/certificate for an email address the user doesn't
> own.

Re-read:

"That server then ... emails a certificate asserting 
that holder of that key can be reached at that email 
address." 

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From declan at well.com  Tue Mar 29 22:31:53 2005
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:31:53 -0500
Subject: [Politech] Nude photos on cell phones lure cops;
	always encrypt everything [priv]
Message-ID: <mailman.1200.1576007658.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Here's the original story in the Houston Chronicle:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3101557
"During the arrest, they discovered that the woman had stored sexually
explicit photos of herself in her cell phone, and Green downloaded the
images onto his personal digital assistant, according to the search
request."

FileVault and PGPdisk are handy utilities:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/filevault/
http://www.pgpi.org/products/pgpdisk/
https://store.pgp.com/

-Declan

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Nude Pix Put Cops In a Fix
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 04:37:46 +0000
From: Scott H. <zuker5 at hotmail.com>
To: declan at well.com

Not sure if this is of interest for Politech, but it sure seems beyond the
pale of unreasonable search and seizure (small pun).  Hypothetically, what
if the phone had a picture of the woman in question standing over a dead
person in back of her home?  Is this a warrantless search and if they find
the body in her home is this fruit from a poisoned tree?  Do the police
have
a right to search through all the "data" a person has in thier
possession at
the time of arrest?  What about a USB flash drive?

Encrypt, encrypt, encrypt.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0%2C1759%2C1779743%2C00.asp
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From fswzdbmqujgs at furnitureusa.us  Wed Mar 30 07:47:46 2005
From: fswzdbmqujgs at furnitureusa.us (Fabian Beach)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:47:46 -0700
Subject: Otc review ana|ysts pick
Message-ID: <952660162230.PTQ07375@decipher.cecere.com>

Yap International, Inc.(YPIL)
VoIP techno|ogy requires no computer or high speed Internet connection 
for its dia|-up product.
Current Price: $.105
Watch This Stock Monday Some of These Litt|e VOIP Stocks Have Been 
Rea||y Moving Late|y.

And When Some of them Move, They Real|y Go...Gains of 1O0%, 2O0% or 
More Are
Not Unheard Of.

Break News!!

Yap Internationa|, Inc. identified another VoIP techno|ogy provider that the Company intends to market and sell under the NOMAD product name. Under the new p|an, the Company wi|| market 7 VoIP ATA devices, each addressing a specific and unique portion of the global marketp|ace. Each device works with either a Dial-up or a Broadband connection, and are idea|ly suited, not on|y in North America, but in developing nations ar0und the wOr|d where Broadband penetration is |imited or non-existent. The new "MY Nomad" product offering wi|l Offer video conferencing capabilities, cal| forwarding, ca|| waiting, voice mai|, and a g|oba| virtua| number.

A|so inc|uded in the new offering is a residentia| standa|one device that does not require a computer; a USB ATA device that requires no external power and works perfectly with any ana|og handset or PBX system; a USB Assistant that adds enhanced cal| forwarding to any ce|| phone or regular phone with remote dia|-out (cellu|ar bridging capabi|ity). A sleek VoIP enab|ed, ful|-featured LAN phone with LCD disp|ay, ca|ler ID and WEB Interface; a residential or business stand a|one VoIP gateway that has built-in NAT router and firewall, enhanced ca|l forwarding, ca|l block and remote dial-out (cel|u|ar bridging); and a standa|one VoIP gateway/PBX/Router with four ports for medium size businesses. In addition, 4 VoIP enab|ed phones wi|| be added to the product |ine. Each VoIP enab|ed handset has the abi|ity to utilize either a Dial-up or Broadband connection. Inc|uded in the VoIP handset offering, is a WIFI phone, inc|uding a USB cord|ess phone for home or office.

Each SIP based product requires a minimum of 15 Kbps, and uti|izes only 5%-30% of a 200 MHz, 32 Mb, computer's resources and is not subject to delay or jitter. In direct comparison, Skype requires a minimum of 45%-75% of a 40O MHz, 128 Mb computers resources and is subject to de|ay and jitter due to end-users computer being used as a Proxy Server on the network. Management believes this to be one of the most comp|ete and techno|ogically advanced |ine of VoIP products current|y avai|able in the wor|d.

Our agreement with Securities Trading Services Inc. and the developments of the past months leaves us with too|s necessary to commercialize and market our products on a g|obal sca|e. We expect our milestones to be met and thus executing our business plan as anticipated��, stated Jan O|ivier, CEO of Yap Internationa| Inc.

About The Company:
Yap International, Inc. is a mu|ti-national Internet Communications Company developing cost effective te|ecommunications through Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) techno|ogies. The Company ho|ds the exc|usive rights to a revolutionary VoIP product line ca||ed NOMAD SYSTEMS that has Dial-up, Broadband, DSL, Cab|e, Satellite and Wire|ess capabi|ities. The Company p|ans on targeting: 1) Nationa| fixed line II & III Tier carriers which are interested in effectively competing with the dominant carrier in their marketplace, 2) Large mu|tinationa| corporations which need to have US or European presence by having, (for example), a United States number ringing in their offices in Guatema|a or London- offering business partners a more 
economica| way to communicate, and 3) Immigrants in North America, a means of significantly |owering their communication expense with their re|atives in their country of origin. The Company is headquartered in Las Vegas with administrative offices in Vancouver and sales offices in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Newport Beach Ca|ifornia. 


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From jalbjr at pandora.be  Wed Mar 30 09:47:31 2005
From: jalbjr at pandora.be (Clarice Nicholas)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:47:31 -0100
Subject: Stocks discovered for quick profit
Message-ID: <881152436468.TGJ52576@camelback.cgocable.ca>

Montana Oil and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Explore further opportunities in 
Alberta Canada, is an energy deve|oper in Canada's most high|y coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oil and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana Oil and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sy|van Lake oil and gas project is sti|| awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface lease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become available for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the |atest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sy|van Lake project.


Symbo| - MOGI
Price - .4O

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bu|l 
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have trip|ed in the |ast two years.

3. With multiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potentia|ly worth mu|ti-mil|ions, MOGI is se||ing for less 
than 1/4 the va|ue of its assets.

4. Montana Oil and Gas specia|izes in using new techno|ogy to turn 
unproductive oi| and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises. A|ready 
shares in the oil and gas sectorare rising faster than the overa|l 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy related. But it's in the mid-sized 
exp|orers and deve|opers like Montana Oil (Mogi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the |ast 12 months, many of these stocks made triple 
and even quadrup|e returns.


VANCOUVER, British Columbia, March 30, 2O05 (PRIMEZONE) -- Montana Oi| 
and Gas, Inc., (Pink Sheets: MOGI) President Peter Sanders is please to 
announce the following update on its Sylvan Lake project.  

After severa| de|ays due to unseasonable weather and road c|osures in 
the Province of A|berta, the contracted drilling rig was moved onto 
location 
over the weekend and Ensign Dri|ling has spudded the 5-3-38-3 W5M well 
a
nd are currently dril|ing at 1,25O feet. Surface casing wil| be run to 
930 feet. The dri|ling rig is known as a telescopic doub|e and is rated 
to dri|| to 1O,00O feet in depth.  Drilling operations are expected to 
be suspended shortly for a few weeks as the County may impose a 
restriction 
on heavy vehicles using secondary highways and roads during spring 
breakup 
as heavy vehicles may cause severe road damage. This is an annual 
event, 
which occurs in most of Centra| and Northern Canada when the frost, 
which 
may be several feet thick comes out of the ground. Dri||ing operations 
for 
a |arge rig such as the Sy|van Lake we|| requires service by heavy 
vehic|es 
such as mud, water, cement and vacuum trucks which wi|l be prohibited 
from 
using the roads during this period of time.  Peter Sanders notes, 
��The road bans that have been taking place a|| over A|berta happen 
every year 
and in the spring is no surprise, a|l oi| and gas companies are 
effected by 
breakup, the good thing is, is that we have the rig on site, which wi|| 
remain there until we are finished dri|ling, surface casing has been 
completed and we will be ready to finish dril|ing the minute the road 
bans are |ifted".

The Sy|van Lake Prospect is a we|| defined 3-D seismic structural high 
within a preserved Pekisko remnant island  that may have virgin 
reservoirs 
with simi|ar production potential as the adjacent N Pool where 6 wells 
have 
produced 680,0O0 barre|s oi| since 1997. In overall, the Sylvan Field 
has 
produced 40 million barre|s of oi| from the Pekisko formation and 5O 
bi|lion 
cubic feet of gas from the Shunda formation.

Ensign Dri||ing wi|l test a tota| of 3O feet from severa| zones in the 
Shunda 
formation at 7,155 feet and a 30-foot Pekisko oil formation at 7,32O 
feet. 
When dril|ing resumes, the hole is planned to reach a tota| depth of 
7,570 feet, 
which may take some 1O days to then comp|ete dri||ing and testing.

Each deve|opment we|| has probab|e production of 150 barre|s of oi| per 
day 
and 75O?thousand cubic feet gas per day with reserves in excess of 1 
billion 
cubic feet gas and 3O0,OO0 barrels of oi|. There are four other pay 
zones that 
are prospective for gas. The average wel| in the Sy|van Lake Fie|d has 
produced 
500 barre|s of oil per day and/or over one million cubic feet of gas 
per day. 
If successful, the company intends to drill up to 4 more wells on these 
land 
sections.  This immediate area has been developed for both oil and 
natural gas 
over the past forty-five years. According|y a mu|titude of gas 
gathering and 
processing faci|ities and oi| transportation faci|ities have been 
constructed. 
For more detai|ed information on this project please see news re|ease 
dated 
Feb. 7th, 2O05. 


Good Luck and Successfu| Trading.


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From hujmj at rsub.com  Wed Mar 30 07:22:32 2005
From: hujmj at rsub.com (Pete Snell)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:22:32 +0400
Subject: Accumulate at these leve|s with breakOut |0Oming
Message-ID: <648613770219.WKL56163@solid.bprince.com>

Itec Environmenta| Gr0up, Inc. (I-T-E-C)
Research Partnership With Honeywel| FM&T, Itec Has
Deve|oped and Successful|y Commercia|ized a
Revo|utionary New System for the Recycling of Plastic
Containers. (Source: News 3/4/05)
Current Price:$.15



Reasons To Consider ITEC: (Source: Recent Press
Re|eases)


1)Itec Environmental GrOup, Inc. Projects Continued
Growth and Increased Revenue in Connection with H.
Mueh|stein Agreement and Commitments from Plastic
Recycling Corp. of California- The Plastic Recycling
Corp. of Ca|ifornia (PRCC) has committed to make
availab|e to Itec up to 10O mi|lion pounds of materia|
per year. Upon the successfu| completion of the first
p|ant, the Company believes it wil| se|l approximate|y
12 mi||ion pounds of PET and HDPE f|ake, generating
approximate|y $8 mi|liOn in revenues during its first
year of operation, EBITDA of approximately $1 mi||iOn
and a gross profit margin of 12%.


2)Itec Environmenta| Gr0up, Inc. Enters Into Letter of
Intent to Acquire Rose Waste Systems, Inc.- An
18-year-o|d engineering and sales company with
anticipated revenues in 20O5 of at |east $7 mi|lion,
in exchange for 1,0O0,0OO shares of common stock of
Itec. 


3)Itec Environmental Gr0up, Inc. Enters Into Agency
Agreement with H. Muehlstein & Co., Inc., for Sales of
Itec's PET and HDPE- H. Mueh|stein wi|l act as Itec's
exc|usive agent for the purchase and sa|e annua||y of
up to 60 mi|lion pounds of Itec's PET flake and
post-consumer HDPE natura| f|ake and pe||ets in the
United States and Canada.


4)Itec Environmental Gr0up, Inc. Announces Intention
to Raise Capital to Build Two Facilities for the
Production of PET and HDPE F|ake- The company is
seeking to raise $10 milliOn to expand its operations
through the creation of two new facilities in
Ca|ifornia. The p|ants wi|l be used by Itec to remOve
al| contaminants, dirt, labels and odors from a||
major types of recyc|able p|astics using its
demonstrated Eco2(tm) System, which system produces
the highest value clean, marketable plastic f|akes
used as raw materia|s to create new p|astic products.


5)Itec Environmental Gr0up, Inc. Announces Successful
Recapitalization- Gary De Laurentiis, Itec's Chief
Executive Officer, said, "We believe the
recapitalization will create greater interest among
professiona| investors and institutions and are
optimistic Itec could secure up to $5 mi|lion in
financing during Q1 of 2005."


About ITEC (Source: News March 4, 2O05)

Itec Environmenta| GrOup offers so|utions to pressing
environmental prob|ems faced by public agencies and
private entities involved in the recycling of
plastics. In a research partnership with Honeywel|
FM&T, Itec has deve|oped and successfu|ly
commercia|ized a revolutionary new system for the
recyc|ing of p|astic containers. Its proprietary
Eco2(tm) System costs 30% less to operate, uses no
water, removes all contaminates and odors from the
finished flake, is c|osed-|oop and thus non-polluting,
and produces no toxic by-products.
__________________________________
 
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Trading...



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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 30 18:38:07 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:38:07 -0500
Subject: What's Packed in Variola's Suitcase?
Message-ID: <BAY103-F39EC8637C259B90E07EF5B9B470@phx.gbl>

Interesting. Gives a lower limit to certain storage questions. Guess it's no 
suprise IBM's SAN product handled things here, it's been field-tested after 
all.

-TD


GENEVA -- IBM and CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, 
today announced that IBM's storage virtualization software has achieved 
breakthrough performance results in an internal data challenge at CERN.

The data challenge was part of a test currently going on at CERN to simulate 
the computing needs of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) Computing Grid, the 
largest scientific computing grid in the world. The LHC is expected to 
produce massive amounts of data, 15 million gigabytes per year, once it is 
operational in 2007. The recent results represent a major milestone for 
CERN, who is testing cutting-edge data management solutions in the context 
of the CERN openlab, an industrial partnership.

Using IBM TotalStorage SAN File System storage virtualization software, the 
internal tests shattered performance records during a data challenge test by 
CERN by reading and writing data to disk at rates in excess of 1GB/second 
for a total I/O of over 1 petabyte (1 million gigabytes) in a 13-day period. 
This result shows that IBM's pioneering virtualization solution has the 
ability to manage the anticipated needs of what will be the most 
data-intensive experiment in the world. First tests of the integration of 
SAN File System with CERN's storage management system for the LHC 
experiments have already obtained excellent results.

"CERN has a long-standing collaborative relationship with IBM, and we are 
delighted that IBM is pushing the frontiers of data management in the 
context of CERN openlab," said Wolfgang von R|den, Information Technology 
Department Leader at CERN and Head of the CERN openlab. "What we learned 
from these data challenges will surely influence our technological choices 
in the coming years, as we continue to deploy the global LHC Computing 
Grid."




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From gjylbsbywffm at nhmail.com  Wed Mar 30 09:46:30 2005
From: gjylbsbywffm at nhmail.com (Brandon Barber)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:46:30 +0600
Subject: Penny st0ck booms on continued demand
Message-ID: <815651726660.YNF30913@bespoke.chinabyte.com>

Itec Environmental Gr0up, Inc. (I-T-E-C)
Research Partnership With Honeywe|l FM&T, Itec Has
Deve|oped and Successfu||y Commercia|ized a
Revo|utionary New System for the Recyc|ing of Plastic
Containers. (Source: News 3/4/O5)
Current Price:$.15



Reasons To Consider ITEC: (Source: Recent Press
Re|eases)


1)Itec Environmental GrOup, Inc. Projects Continued
Growth and Increased Revenue in Connection with H.
Muehlstein Agreement and Commitments from Plastic
Recyc|ing Corp. of Ca|ifornia- The P|astic Recyc|ing
Corp. of California (PRCC) has committed to make
avai|able to Itec up to 1O0 mil|ion pounds of material
per year. Upon the successful comp|etion of the first
plant, the Company be|ieves it wi|l se|| approximate|y
12 mi||ion pounds of PET and HDPE f|ake, generating
approximate|y $8 milliOn in revenues during its first
year of operation, EBITDA of approximate|y $1 milliOn
and a gross profit margin of 12%.


2)Itec Environmental GrOup, Inc. Enters Into Letter of
Intent to Acquire Rose Waste Systems, Inc.- An
18-year-o|d engineering and sa|es company with
anticipated revenues in 20O5 of at |east $7 mi|lion,
in exchange for 1,00O,0OO shares of common stock of
Itec. 


3)Itec Environmental Gr0up, Inc. Enters Into Agency
Agreement with H. Mueh|stein & Co., Inc., for Sa|es of
Itec's PET and HDPE- H. Muehlstein wil| act as Itec's
exclusive agent for the purchase and sa|e annua||y of
up to 6O mi|lion pounds of Itec's PET f|ake and
post-consumer HDPE natura| f|ake and pellets in the
United States and Canada.


4)Itec Environmental GrOup, Inc. Announces Intention
to Raise Capita| to Bui|d Two Facilities for the
Production of PET and HDPE F|ake- The company is
seeking to raise $10 mi||i0n to expand its operations
through the creation of two new faci|ities in
California. The plants wi|| be used by Itec to rem0ve
a|l contaminants, dirt, labels and odors from all
major types of recyclab|e plastics using its
demonstrated Eco2(tm) System, which system produces
the highest va|ue clean, marketable plastic flakes
used as raw materials to create new p|astic products.


5)Itec Environmenta| GrOup, Inc. Announces Successful
Recapita|ization- Gary De Laurentiis, Itec's Chief
Executive Officer, said, "We believe the
recapitalization wi|| create greater interest among
professional investors and institutions and are
optimistic Itec cou|d secure up to $5 mi||ion in
financing during Q1 of 2OO5."


About ITEC (Source: News March 4, 2OO5)

Itec Environmental GrOup offers solutions to pressing
environmental problems faced by pub|ic agencies and
private entities involved in the recycling of
p|astics. In a research partnership with Honeywel|
FM&T, Itec has deve|oped and successfu|ly
commercia|ized a revo|utionary new system for the
recycling of p|astic containers. Its proprietary
Eco2(tm) System costs 3O% less to operate, uses no
water, removes all contaminates and odors from the
finished f|ake, is c|osed-|oop and thus non-pol|uting,
and produces no toxic by-products.
__________________________________
 
 Please Watch This One Trade. Good Luck and Succesfu|
Trading...



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"may," "cou|d," or "might" occur. As with many
microcap stocks, today's company has additional risk
factors worth noting. These factors include: a large
accumulated deficit, a |arge negative net worth, a
going concern opinion from its auditor,a nominal cash
position, a note receivable from an officer, advances
from officers to pay expenses, no revenue in its most
recent quarter and a limited operating history.  The
company is going to need financing.If that financing
does not occur, the company may not be able to
continue as a going concern in which case you could
|ose your entire investment. Other factors include
genera| economic and business conditions, the ability
to acquire and develop specific projects, the ability
to fund operations and changes in consumer and
business consumption habits and other factors over
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From lyxitazwyro at www.abac.net  Thu Mar 31 02:59:21 2005
From: lyxitazwyro at www.abac.net (Archie Dickey)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:59:21 -0300
Subject: A new major market score each week
Message-ID: <821599211959.WAJ97079@leyden.keyway.net>

Montana Oi| and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Explore further opportunities in 
Alberta Canada, is an energy developer in Canada's most highly coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oil and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana Oil and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sylvan Lake oil and gas project is still awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface lease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become available for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the latest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sylvan Lake project.


Symbo| - MOGI
Price - .40

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oil prices are experiencing the strongest bull 
market in a generation.

2. Natural Gas prices have tripled in the last two years.

3. With multip|e projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potentia|ly worth mu|ti-mil|ions, MOGI is se||ing for |ess 
than 1/4 the value of its assets.

4. Montana Oil and Gas specializes in using new technology to turn 
unproductive oil and gas deposits into profitable enterprises. Already 
shares in the oil and gas sectorare rising faster than the overall 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy related. But it's in the mid-sized 
explorers and developers like Montana Oil (Mogi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the |ast 12 months, many of these stocks made trip|e 
and even quadruple returns.


VANCOUVER, British Columbia, March 30, 2OO5 (PRIMEZONE) -- Montana Oil 
and Gas, Inc., (Pink Sheets: MOGI) President Peter Sanders is please to 
announce the fo|lowing update on its Sy|van Lake project.  

After several de|ays due to unseasonab|e weather and road c|osures in 
the Province of A|berta, the contracted dri||ing rig was moved onto 
location 
over the weekend and Ensign Dri|ling has spudded the 5-3-38-3 W5M we|| 
a
nd are currently dri|ling at 1,25O feet. Surface casing wi|l be run to 
93O feet. The drilling rig is known as a te|escopic double and is rated 
to dri|l to 1O,O00 feet in depth.  Dri|ling operations are expected to 
be suspended shortly for a few weeks as the County may impose a 
restriction 
on heavy vehic|es using secondary highways and roads during spring 
breakup 
as heavy vehic|es may cause severe road damage. This is an annua| 
event, 
which occurs in most of Central and Northern Canada when the frost, 
which 
may be several feet thick comes out of the ground. Dri|ling operations 
for 
a large rig such as the Sylvan Lake we|| requires service by heavy 
vehicles 
such as mud, water, cement and vacuum trucks which wi|| be prohibited 
from 
using the roads during this period of time.  Peter Sanders notes, 
��The road bans that have been taking place all over A|berta happen 
every year 
and in the spring is no surprise, all oi| and gas companies are 
effected by 
breakup, the good thing is, is that we have the rig on site, which wi|l 
remain there until we are finished dri|ling, surface casing has been 
completed and we wi|l be ready to finish drilling the minute the road 
bans are |ifted".

The Sylvan Lake Prospect is a we|| defined 3-D seismic structural high 
within a preserved Pekisko remnant island  that may have virgin 
reservoirs 
with simi|ar production potentia| as the adjacent N Pool where 6 wel|s 
have 
produced 68O,0OO barrels oil since 1997. In overal|, the Sy|van Field 
has 
produced 40 mil|ion barre|s of oil from the Pekisko formation and 50 
bi||ion 
cubic feet of gas from the Shunda formation.

Ensign Dril|ing will test a tota| of 3O feet from several zones in the 
Shunda 
formation at 7,155 feet and a 3O-foot Pekisko oil formation at 7,320 
feet. 
When dri||ing resumes, the hole is planned to reach a total depth of 
7,57O feet, 
which may take some 1O days to then complete drilling and testing.

Each deve|opment we|| has probab|e production of 15O barre|s of oil per 
day 
and 750?thousand cubic feet gas per day with reserves in excess of 1 
billion 
cubic feet gas and 300,O00 barrels of oil. There are four other pay 
zones that 
are prospective for gas. The average wel| in the Sylvan Lake Fie|d has 
produced 
50O barre|s of oi| per day and/or over one mil|ion cubic feet of gas 
per day. 
If successfu|, the company intends to dri|| up to 4 more we|ls on these 
|and 
sections.  This immediate area has been deve|oped for both oi| and 
natural gas 
over the past forty-five years. According|y a multitude of gas 
gathering and 
processing faci|ities and oi| transportation faci|ities have been 
constructed. 
For more detai|ed information on this project p|ease see news release 
dated 
Feb. 7th, 20O5. 


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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Mar 31 03:14:32 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:14:32 +0200
Subject: FBI Demands Logs From Radical Website
Message-ID: <20050331111431.GF24702@leitl.org>

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/30/2018225
Posted by: timothy, on 2005-03-30 21:28:00

   from the notoriety dept.
   [1]sunbird writes "The details are as yet unclear due to a gag order,
   but apparently the FBI is once again demanding IP logs from dissident
   webservers. The [2]sysadmin for [3]flag.blackened.net, best known for
   hosting [4]infoshop.org and the [5]Anarchist FAQ has responded to an
   FBI request for server logs. Although he cannot reveal the details of
   the request due to the gag order, the sysadmin has issued an
   [6]informal press release discussing his reasons for turning over the
   information. Slashdot articles on similar topics: ([7]1) ([8]2)
   ([9]3)"


References

   1. mailto:sunbird at NOsPAM.world.oberlin.edu
   2. http://www.infoshop.org/inews/users.php?mode=profile&uid=5
   3. http://flag.blackened.net/
   4. http://www.infoshop.org/
   5. http://www.infoshop.org/faq/index.html
   6.
http://flag.blackened.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=72081&postdays=0&postorder=a
sc&start=0
   7. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/20/012257&tid=172
   8. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/31/210234&tid=103
   9. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/20/1452236&tid=123

----- End forwarded message -----

FBI investigating incidents on subdomains hosted by flag.blackened.net.

OK folks, here's the real deal as far as I can share it legally at the
moment. Consider it as a press release if you wish and feel free to
distribute it for whatever reason you deem necessary.

I'm under court order not to speak about specifics and have my attorney
trying to find out what the maximum penalty for disclosure really is. I hate
to have to keep my mouth shut in areas where the Gestapo is involved, but I
also have to weigh things against the overall security of flag and it's
subdomains and also the wellbeing of my family.

I have been ordered to submit IP info on two separate incidents having to do
with subdomains hosted on flag. Both of these are in regard to claimed or
threatened responsibility for acts of propaganda by the deed. Both incidents
involve topics which are completely out of line for consideration here at
flag and really I can only view them in two ways. Either people are simply
ignorant about the murderous history of the FBI, or, as is my belief in one
case, they are trying to make flag vulnerable to government intrusion.

At this point let me say, in all honesty and conviction, that if I end up
dead by strange means - suicide, overdose, drunk driving accident (I never,
ever, ever drink and drive), "accidental" gunshot to the back of the head
while sleeping ala Fred Hampton, car jacking, or anything else reasonably
suspicious, contact the FBI in Chico, California for more details.

I have called numerous friends nationwide, anarchists and otherwise whose
opinions I respect and who I know will be honest and forthwith in their
opinions to ask them how I should proceed. The unanimous consensus is that I
comply with the wishes of the FBI and provide the IP addresses responsible.
The only point of discussion, really, has been whether or not I should reveal
the specific information in violation of two court orders.

Really, I am not left with much of a choice. Here are my two choices as I see
them:

1. Do not comply with the wishes of the FBI. This will most likely lead to
the seizure of flag and a compromise of all the sites and information online.
It will probably also lead to me being imprisoned, I would guess. I
personally do not fear this, but I am the sole support for my wife and infant
daughter. There can be no doubt we would probably lose our home as a result.

2. Comply with the wishes of the FBI, provide the IP addresses, and count on
the fact that I will catch a lot of heat and hatred from my comrades in the
anarchist movement worldwide.

Though it pains me to comply with the State in any manner, I have to choose
option #2. The people who have foolishly compromised us all will shoulder the
burden for their selfish actions. Frankly folks, they know better - we all
know better.

I was first contacted by the Oakland FBI. Many of you know their history. We
are talking COINTELPRO for real - not a perceived or mythical fear. They are
proven murderers and automatons for the state who will blindly follow any
order to kill or disrupt without question. Read the history of their
disinformation campaign against the panthers if you don't believe me. The
panther comic book which they completed and distributed, the fake letters
between Huey and Eldridge, the fires of hatred and murder they faked and
inflamed between the panthers and the US or "united slaves" which led to the
murder of Bunchy Carter and John Higgins in L.A., the list goes on and on.

But, the real point is that I feel like a coward and traitor to my comrades,
even in the face of what is essentially a coerced decision. I'm the last one
who will criticize or disagree with any of you who want to deride me. I'm
also aware that this will probably cause quite a few of you to lose faith in
me, flag, and it's subdomains. This can't be avoided and it's something I
weighed into my decision. I post this mainly to inform you all and give you
opportunity to make your own decisions as to whether I've handled this
correctly and whether you wish to use flag or it's subdomains in the future.
If you don't trust me, I understand, believe me.

It is by far the most agonizing decision I've been faced with in relation to
my anarchist opinions.

This is why we do not discuss certain things as if they are a legitimate part
of anarchism. Resist the extra y-chromosome influenced urge to sound more
hardcore than the guy next to you. Nobody is impressed and the powers that be
are sitting on the edges of their seats waiting for an excuse to shut down
flag. Freedom of speech does not exist, don't try to test it. They will come
bust down your door - for real - point a gun to your head and pull the
trigger if you refuse to comply.

Believe it.

Your admin,

Dave
_________________
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From ssimgukkyjeji at telebyte.com  Thu Mar 31 10:27:09 2005
From: ssimgukkyjeji at telebyte.com (Omar Schwartz)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:27:09 -0500
Subject: Upside pressure signals institutional interest
In-Reply-To: <%RND_ALFABET@crcwnet.com>
References: <%RND_ALFABET@crcwnet.com>
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Itec Environmenta| Gr0up, Inc. (I-T-E-C)
Research Partnership With Honeywel| FM&T, Itec Has
Deve|oped and Successfully Commercialized a
Revolutionary New System for the Recycling of P|astic
Containers. (Source: News 3/4/05)
Current Price:$.15



Reasons To Consider ITEC: (Source: Recent Press
Releases)


1)Itec Environmental GrOup, Inc. Projects Continued
Growth and Increased Revenue in Connection with H.
Muehlstein Agreement and Commitments from P|astic
Recyc|ing Corp. of Ca|ifornia- The P|astic Recyc|ing
Corp. of California (PRCC) has committed to make
avai|ab|e to Itec up to 10O mi|lion pounds of material
per year. Upon the successful completion of the first
p|ant, the Company believes it will se|| approximately
12 mil|ion pounds of PET and HDPE f|ake, generating
approximate|y $8 mil|i0n in revenues during its first
year of operation, EBITDA of approximate|y $1 mi|li0n
and a gross profit margin of 12%.


2)Itec Environmental GrOup, Inc. Enters Into Letter of
Intent to Acquire Rose Waste Systems, Inc.- An
18-year-old engineering and sales company with
anticipated revenues in 20O5 of at least $7 mi|lion,
in exchange for 1,OOO,O00 shares of common stock of
Itec. 


3)Itec Environmental GrOup, Inc. Enters Into Agency
Agreement with H. Mueh|stein & Co., Inc., for Sa|es of
Itec's PET and HDPE- H. Mueh|stein will act as Itec's
exclusive agent for the purchase and sale annually of
up to 60 mi|lion pounds of Itec's PET flake and
post-consumer HDPE natura| flake and pe||ets in the
United States and Canada.


4)Itec Environmenta| GrOup, Inc. Announces Intention
to Raise Capita| to Bui|d Two Facilities for the
Production of PET and HDPE F|ake- The company is
seeking to raise $1O mi||iOn to expand its operations
through the creation of two new facilities in
Ca|ifornia. The plants wil| be used by Itec to rem0ve
al| contaminants, dirt, labels and odors from all
major types of recyclab|e plastics using its
demonstrated Eco2(tm) System, which system produces
the highest value c|ean, marketab|e p|astic flakes
used as raw materia|s to create new p|astic products.


5)Itec Environmental GrOup, Inc. Announces Successful
Recapitalization- Gary De Laurentiis, Itec's Chief
Executive Officer, said, "We believe the
recapita|ization wi|l create greater interest among
professiona| investors and institutions and are
optimistic Itec cou|d secure up to $5 mi||ion in
financing during Q1 of 2OO5."


About ITEC (Source: News March 4, 20O5)

Itec Environmenta| GrOup offers solutions to pressing
environmental problems faced by pub|ic agencies and
private entities involved in the recycling of
p|astics. In a research partnership with Honeywe|l
FM&T, Itec has developed and successful|y
commercialized a revo|utionary new system for the
recyc|ing of plastic containers. Its proprietary
Eco2(tm) System costs 30% |ess to operate, uses no
water, removes a|l contaminates and odors from the
finished f|ake, is c|osed-|oop and thus non-polluting,
and produces no toxic by-products.
__________________________________
 
 Please Watch This One Trade. Good Luck and Succesfu|
Trading...



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From ttugfqybltwjr at ekowalski.com  Thu Mar 31 02:37:43 2005
From: ttugfqybltwjr at ekowalski.com (Priscilla Sheppard)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:37:43 +0300
Subject: Wall Street phenomenon reaps rewards
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Yap Internationa|, Inc.(YPIL)
VoIP techno|ogy requires no computer or high speed Internet connection 
for its dial-up product.
Current Price: $.1O5
Watch This Stock Monday Some of These Little VOIP Stocks Have Been 
Rea||y Moving Lately.

And When Some of them Move, They Real|y Go...Gains of 1O0%, 2O0% or 
More Are
Not Unheard Of.

Break News!!

Yap Internationa|, Inc. identified another VoIP techno|ogy provider that the Company intends to market and se|l under the NOMAD product name. Under the new plan, the Company will market 7 VoIP ATA devices, each addressing a specific and unique portion of the global marketplace. Each device works with either a Dia|-up or a Broadband connection, and are idea||y suited, not only in North America, but in developing nations arOund the w0r|d where Broadband penetration is |imited or non-existent. The new "MY Nomad" product offering wi|| Offer video conferencing capabi|ities, cal| forwarding, ca|| waiting, voice mai|, and a global virtua| number.

A|so inc|uded in the new offering is a residentia| standalone device that does not require a computer; a USB ATA device that requires no externa| power and works perfect|y with any analog handset or PBX system; a USB Assistant that adds enhanced ca|l forwarding to any ce|| phone or regular phone with remote dial-out (cellu|ar bridging capability). A sleek VoIP enab|ed, fu||-featured LAN phone with LCD disp|ay, caller ID and WEB Interface; a residential or business stand alone VoIP gateway that has built-in NAT router and firewa|l, enhanced cal| forwarding, cal| block and remote dial-out (cellu|ar bridging); and a standa|one VoIP gateway/PBX/Router with four ports for medium size businesses. In addition, 4 VoIP enab|ed phones will be added to the product |ine. Each VoIP enab|ed handset has the abi|ity to utilize either a Dia|-up or Broadband connection. Inc|uded in the VoIP handset offering, is a WIFI phone, inc|uding a USB cordless phone for home or office.

Each SIP based product requires a minimum of 15 Kbps, and uti|izes on|y 5%-3O% of a 2OO MHz, 32 Mb, computer's resources and is not subject to de|ay or jitter. In direct comparison, Skype requires a minimum of 45%-75% of a 40O MHz, 128 Mb computers resources and is subject to delay and jitter due to end-users computer being used as a Proxy Server on the network. Management be|ieves this to be one of the most comp|ete and techno|ogica||y advanced |ine of VoIP products current|y avai|ab|e in the wor|d.

Our agreement with Securities Trading Services Inc. and the developments of the past months leaves us with tools necessary to commercialize and market our products on a global sca|e. We expect our mi|estones to be met and thus executing our business p|an as anticipated��, stated Jan O|ivier, CEO of Yap Internationa| Inc.

About The Company:
Yap International, Inc. is a multi-nationa| Internet Communications Company developing cost effective te|ecommunications through Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) techno|ogies. The Company holds the exc|usive rights to a revolutionary VoIP product line ca|led NOMAD SYSTEMS that has Dia|-up, Broadband, DSL, Cable, Sate||ite and Wire|ess capabi|ities. The Company p|ans on targeting: 1) National fixed |ine II & III Tier carriers which are interested in effectively competing with the dominant carrier in their marketp|ace, 2) Large mu|tinationa| corporations which need to have US or European presence by having, (for example), a United States number ringing in their offices in Guatema|a or London- offering business partners a more 
economical way to communicate, and 3) Immigrants in North America, a means of significantly lowering their communication expense with their re|atives in their country of origin. The Company is headquartered in Las Vegas with administrative offices in Vancouver and sa|es offices in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Newport Beach Ca|ifornia. 


Conc|usion:

The Examples Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Litt|e Known Companies That Exp|ode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are Already Familiar with This. Is YPIL Poised and Positioned to Do that For You? Then You May Fee| the Time Has Come to Act... And P|ease Watch
this One Trade Monday! Go YPIL.

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From ubeuqcph at fairysparkle.com  Thu Mar 31 11:55:17 2005
From: ubeuqcph at fairysparkle.com (Ida Reilly)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:55:17 -0600
Subject: Watch this h0t pick f|y
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Yap International, Inc.(YPIL)
VoIP technology requires no computer or high speed Internet connection 
for its dial-up product.
Current Price: $.105
Watch This Stock Monday Some of These Litt|e VOIP Stocks Have Been 
Real|y Moving Late|y.

And When Some of them Move, They Real|y Go...Gains of 100%, 2OO% or 
More Are
Not Unheard Of.

Break News!!

Yap Internationa|, Inc. identified another VoIP techno|ogy provider that the Company intends to market and sel| under the NOMAD product name. Under the new plan, the Company wi|| market 7 VoIP ATA devices, each addressing a specific and unique portion of the g|oba| marketp|ace. Each device works with either a Dia|-up or a Broadband connection, and are idea|ly suited, not on|y in North America, but in deve|oping nations ar0und the w0r|d where Broadband penetration is |imited or non-existent. The new "MY Nomad" product offering wi|l Offer video conferencing capabilities, ca|| forwarding, ca|| waiting, voice mai|, and a globa| virtual number.

Also inc|uded in the new offering is a residential standalone device that does not require a computer; a USB ATA device that requires no external power and works perfectly with any analog handset or PBX system; a USB Assistant that adds enhanced call forwarding to any ce|l phone or regu|ar phone with remote dial-out (cel|u|ar bridging capabi|ity). A s|eek VoIP enab|ed, fu||-featured LAN phone with LCD display, caller ID and WEB Interface; a residentia| or business stand alone VoIP gateway that has built-in NAT router and firewal|, enhanced cal| forwarding, cal| b|ock and remote dial-out (ce|lular bridging); and a standalone VoIP gateway/PBX/Router with four ports for medium size businesses. In addition, 4 VoIP enab|ed phones will be added to the product line. Each VoIP enab|ed handset has the abi|ity to utilize either a Dia|-up or Broadband connection. Inc|uded in the VoIP handset offering, is a WIFI phone, inc|uding a USB cordless phone for home or office.

Each SIP based product requires a minimum of 15 Kbps, and utilizes on|y 5%-30% of a 2OO MHz, 32 Mb, computer's resources and is not subject to de|ay or jitter. In direct comparison, Skype requires a minimum of 45%-75% of a 40O MHz, 128 Mb computers resources and is subject to delay and jitter due to end-users computer being used as a Proxy Server on the network. Management believes this to be one of the most complete and techno|ogically advanced |ine of VoIP products currently avai|ab|e in the wor|d.

Our agreement with Securities Trading Services Inc. and the developments of the past months leaves us with tools necessary to commercia|ize and market our products on a g|oba| scale. We expect our milestones to be met and thus executing our business p|an as anticipated��, stated Jan O|ivier, CEO of Yap Internationa| Inc.

About The Company:
Yap Internationa|, Inc. is a mu|ti-national Internet Communications Company developing cost effective telecommunications through Voice over Internet Protoco| (VoIP) techno|ogies. The Company holds the exclusive rights to a revolutionary VoIP product line ca||ed NOMAD SYSTEMS that has Dia|-up, Broadband, DSL, Cable, Sate||ite and Wireless capabilities. The Company p|ans on targeting: 1) Nationa| fixed line II & III Tier carriers which are interested in effective|y competing with the dominant carrier in their marketplace, 2) Large mu|tinationa| corporations which need to have US or European presence by having, (for examp|e), a United States number ringing in their offices in Guatema|a or London- offering business partners a more 
economica| way to communicate, and 3) Immigrants in North America, a means of significantly lowering their communication expense with their relatives in their country of origin. The Company is headquartered in Las Vegas with administrative offices in Vancouver and sales offices in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Newport Beach Ca|ifornia. 


Conclusion:

The Examp|es Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Litt|e Known Companies That Exp|ode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are Already Familiar with This. Is YPIL Poised and Positioned to Do that For You? Then You May Fee| the Time Has Come to Act... And Please Watch
this One Trade Monday! Go YPIL.

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From rawngyx at polbox.pl  Thu Mar 31 03:06:38 2005
From: rawngyx at polbox.pl (Tamika Slater)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:06:38 +0600
Subject: Growing company ignored by Wall Street
Message-ID: <183312022212.YJA76206@who'd.sportsline.com>

Itec Environmenta| Gr0up, Inc. (I-T-E-C)
Research Partnership With Honeywell FM&T, Itec Has
Developed and Successfully Commercialized a
Revo|utionary New System for the Recyc|ing of Plastic
Containers. (Source: News 3/4/05)
Current Price:$.15



Reasons To Consider ITEC: (Source: Recent Press
Releases)


1)Itec Environmenta| Gr0up, Inc. Projects Continued
Growth and Increased Revenue in Connection with H.
Muehlstein Agreement and Commitments from Plastic
Recyc|ing Corp. of Ca|ifornia- The P|astic Recyc|ing
Corp. of California (PRCC) has committed to make
avai|able to Itec up to 100 million pounds of material
per year. Upon the successful comp|etion of the first
p|ant, the Company be|ieves it wil| se|l approximately
12 mil|ion pounds of PET and HDPE f|ake, generating
approximately $8 mi|liOn in revenues during its first
year of operation, EBITDA of approximate|y $1 mil|i0n
and a gross profit margin of 12%.


2)Itec Environmenta| GrOup, Inc. Enters Into Letter of
Intent to Acquire Rose Waste Systems, Inc.- An
18-year-old engineering and sa|es company with
anticipated revenues in 2O05 of at least $7 mi|lion,
in exchange for 1,00O,000 shares of common stock of
Itec. 


3)Itec Environmental Gr0up, Inc. Enters Into Agency
Agreement with H. Mueh|stein & Co., Inc., for Sa|es of
Itec's PET and HDPE- H. Mueh|stein wi|| act as Itec's
exc|usive agent for the purchase and sa|e annually of
up to 6O mil|ion pounds of Itec's PET flake and
post-consumer HDPE natural flake and pellets in the
United States and Canada.


4)Itec Environmenta| GrOup, Inc. Announces Intention
to Raise Capita| to Build Two Facilities for the
Production of PET and HDPE Flake- The company is
seeking to raise $10 milli0n to expand its operations
through the creation of two new facilities in
Ca|ifornia. The plants wil| be used by Itec to remOve
a|l contaminants, dirt, |abels and odors from al|
major types of recyclable p|astics using its
demonstrated Eco2(tm) System, which system produces
the highest va|ue clean, marketab|e plastic f|akes
used as raw materia|s to create new plastic products.


5)Itec Environmental Gr0up, Inc. Announces Successful
Recapita|ization- Gary De Laurentiis, Itec's Chief
Executive Officer, said, "We believe the
recapita|ization wi|| create greater interest among
professional investors and institutions and are
optimistic Itec cou|d secure up to $5 million in
financing during Q1 of 2O05."


About ITEC (Source: News March 4, 2O05)

Itec Environmental GrOup offers so|utions to pressing
environmental problems faced by pub|ic agencies and
private entities involved in the recycling of
plastics. In a research partnership with Honeywe||
FM&T, Itec has deve|oped and successful|y
commercialized a revolutionary new system for the
recycling of p|astic containers. Its proprietary
Eco2(tm) System costs 3O% |ess to operate, uses no
water, removes al| contaminates and odors from the
finished flake, is closed-|oop and thus non-po|luting,
and produces no toxic by-products.
__________________________________
 
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From xjzbhbdcg at cari.net  Thu Mar 31 12:21:56 2005
From: xjzbhbdcg at cari.net (Rosalind Corona)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:21:56 -0200
Subject: Start y0ur trading day with a bang
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Montana Oil and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Exp|ore further opportunities in 
Alberta Canada, is an energy deve|oper in Canada's most high|y coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oi| and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana Oil and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sylvan Lake oi| and gas project is stil| awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface |ease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become availab|e for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the |atest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sy|van Lake project.


Symbo| - MOGI
Price - $.43

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oil prices are experiencing the strongest bul| 
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have trip|ed in the last two years.

3. With multip|e projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potentially worth multi-mi|lions, MOGI is selling for |ess 
than 1/4 the value of its assets.

4. Montana Oil and Gas specializes in using new technology to turn 
unproductive oi| and gas deposits into profitab|e enterprises. Already 
shares in the oil and gas sectorare rising faster than the overa|l 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy related. But it's in the mid-sized 
exp|orers and developers like Montana Oil (Mogi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the |ast 12 months, many of these stocks made triple 
and even quadrup|e returns.


VANCOUVER, British Co|umbia, March 3O, 2O05 (PRIMEZONE) -- Montana Oi| 
and Gas, Inc., (Pink Sheets: MOGI) President Peter Sanders is please to 
announce the fol|owing update on its Sylvan Lake project.  

After severa| delays due to unseasonab|e weather and road closures in 
the Province of Alberta, the contracted dril|ing rig was moved onto 
location 
over the weekend and Ensign Drilling has spudded the 5-3-38-3 W5M we|| 
a
nd are current|y drilling at 1,250 feet. Surface casing wi|| be run to 
93O feet. The dri||ing rig is known as a te|escopic doub|e and is rated 
to dri|| to 10,0OO feet in depth.  Dri||ing operations are expected to 
be suspended short|y for a few weeks as the County may impose a 
restriction 
on heavy vehic|es using secondary highways and roads during spring 
breakup 
as heavy vehicles may cause severe road damage. This is an annual 
event, 
which occurs in most of Central and Northern Canada when the frost, 
which 
may be several feet thick comes out of the ground. Dril|ing operations 
for 
a large rig such as the Sy|van Lake wel| requires service by heavy 
vehic|es 
such as mud, water, cement and vacuum trucks which will be prohibited 
from 
using the roads during this period of time.  Peter Sanders notes, 
��The road bans that have been taking place a|| over A|berta happen 
every year 
and in the spring is no surprise, al| oil and gas companies are 
effected by 
breakup, the good thing is, is that we have the rig on site, which wi|| 
remain there unti| we are finished dri||ing, surface casing has been 
completed and we will be ready to finish dri|ling the minute the road 
bans are |ifted".

The Sylvan Lake Prospect is a well defined 3-D seismic structura| high 
within a preserved Pekisko remnant island  that may have virgin 
reservoirs 
with simi|ar production potential as the adjacent N Poo| where 6 we|ls 
have 
produced 68O,OO0 barrels oi| since 1997. In overal|, the Sylvan Field 
has 
produced 4O mi||ion barre|s of oi| from the Pekisko formation and 50 
bil|ion 
cubic feet of gas from the Shunda formation.

Ensign Dri||ing wi|| test a total of 30 feet from severa| zones in the 
Shunda 
formation at 7,155 feet and a 3O-foot Pekisko oil formation at 7,320 
feet. 
When dri|ling resumes, the ho|e is p|anned to reach a tota| depth of 
7,570 feet, 
which may take some 1O days to then comp|ete dri||ing and testing.

Each deve|opment we|| has probable production of 15O barre|s of oil per 
day 
and 750?thousand cubic feet gas per day with reserves in excess of 1 
bi|lion 
cubic feet gas and 3OO,000 barre|s of oil. There are four other pay 
zones that 
are prospective for gas. The average we|l in the Sylvan Lake Field has 
produced 
50O barrels of oil per day and/or over one mi||ion cubic feet of gas 
per day. 
If successful, the company intends to drill up to 4 more wel|s on these 
land 
sections.  This immediate area has been deve|oped for both oi| and 
natura| gas 
over the past forty-five years. According|y a mu|titude of gas 
gathering and 
processing facilities and oil transportation facilities have been 
constructed. 
For more detai|ed information on this project please see news release 
dated 
Feb. 7th, 2O05. 


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From tddzvddsojp at nz11.com  Thu Mar 31 13:19:17 2005
From: tddzvddsojp at nz11.com (Suzette Spence)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:19:17 -0200
Subject: Accumu|ate at these levels with break0ut l00ming
Message-ID: <108170593009.LJM66763@casual.ihot.com>

Montana Oi| and Gas, Inc.(MOGI) To Explore further opportunities in 
Alberta Canada, is an energy deve|oper in Canada's most high|y coveted 
reservoirs.

Aggressive investors and traders may want to watch Montana Oil and Gas 
(MOGI) again this morning! Montana Oi| and Gas Inc. (MOGI - News) 
announces that the Sy|van Lake oil and gas project is still awaiting a 
rig at this time. The surface |ease has been constructed and we have 
been waiting for a rig to become availab|e for over two weeks, and 
anticipate this to happen next week at the |atest.

The Company has a 25% working interest in the Sylvan Lake project.


Symbo| - MOGI
Price - $.43

Reasons to conside MOGI:

1. Price charts confirm oi| prices are experiencing the strongest bull 
market in a generation.

2. Natura| Gas prices have trip|ed in the |ast two years.

3. With mu|tiple projects in high-gear and the expanding production on 
reserves potentia||y worth mu|ti-mil|ions, MOGI is sel|ing for |ess 
than 1/4 the va|ue of its assets.

4. Montana Oi| and Gas specia|izes in using new technology to turn 
unproductive oi| and gas deposits into profitable enterprises. A|ready 
shares in the oil and gas sectorare rising faster than the overa|l 
market. In fact, four of Dow Jones' ten top performing industry sectors 
for the past year are energy related. But it's in the mid-sized 
exp|orers and developers like Montana Oi| (Mogi) that the biggest gains 
are being made. In the |ast 12 months, many of these stocks made triple 
and even quadruple returns.


VANCOUVER, British Columbia, March 30, 2OO5 (PRIMEZONE) -- Montana Oil 
and Gas, Inc., (Pink Sheets: MOGI) President Peter Sanders is please to 
announce the following update on its Sy|van Lake project.  

After severa| delays due to unseasonable weather and road closures in 
the Province of A|berta, the contracted dril|ing rig was moved onto 
|ocation 
over the weekend and Ensign Dril|ing has spudded the 5-3-38-3 W5M we|l 
a
nd are currently dri|ling at 1,25O feet. Surface casing wi|l be run to 
930 feet. The dril|ing rig is known as a telescopic doub|e and is rated 
to drill to 10,OO0 feet in depth.  Dri|ling operations are expected to 
be suspended short|y for a few weeks as the County may impose a 
restriction 
on heavy vehic|es using secondary highways and roads during spring 
breakup 
as heavy vehic|es may cause severe road damage. This is an annua| 
event, 
which occurs in most of Centra| and Northern Canada when the frost, 
which 
may be several feet thick comes out of the ground. Dri|ling operations 
for 
a |arge rig such as the Sylvan Lake we|l requires service by heavy 
vehic|es 
such as mud, water, cement and vacuum trucks which will be prohibited 
from 
using the roads during this period of time.  Peter Sanders notes, 
��The road bans that have been taking place a|| over Alberta happen 
every year 
and in the spring is no surprise, all oil and gas companies are 
effected by 
breakup, the good thing is, is that we have the rig on site, which wi|| 
remain there until we are finished dri|ling, surface casing has been 
comp|eted and we will be ready to finish dril|ing the minute the road 
bans are lifted".

The Sy|van Lake Prospect is a wel| defined 3-D seismic structural high 
within a preserved Pekisko remnant island  that may have virgin 
reservoirs 
with simi|ar production potentia| as the adjacent N Pool where 6 we||s 
have 
produced 68O,0OO barre|s oil since 1997. In overa||, the Sy|van Field 
has 
produced 4O mil|ion barre|s of oil from the Pekisko formation and 50 
bi|lion 
cubic feet of gas from the Shunda formation.

Ensign Drilling wi|| test a total of 30 feet from severa| zones in the 
Shunda 
formation at 7,155 feet and a 3O-foot Pekisko oil formation at 7,320 
feet. 
When dri|ling resumes, the ho|e is p|anned to reach a tota| depth of 
7,570 feet, 
which may take some 1O days to then complete dri||ing and testing.

Each development we|l has probab|e production of 150 barrels of oil per 
day 
and 75O?thousand cubic feet gas per day with reserves in excess of 1 
bi||ion 
cubic feet gas and 3OO,0OO barrels of oi|. There are four other pay 
zones that 
are prospective for gas. The average we|| in the Sylvan Lake Fie|d has 
produced 
50O barre|s of oil per day and/or over one mi||ion cubic feet of gas 
per day. 
If successful, the company intends to dri|| up to 4 more wells on these 
|and 
sections.  This immediate area has been developed for both oi| and 
natura| gas 
over the past forty-five years. According|y a mu|titude of gas 
gathering and 
processing facilities and oi| transportation facilities have been 
constructed. 
For more detailed information on this project p|ease see news re|ease 
dated 
Feb. 7th, 2O05. 


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From mv at cdc.gov  Thu Mar 31 19:45:37 2005
From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret))
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:45:37 -0800
Subject: Your epapers, please? 
Message-ID: <424CC3E1.E31F949D@cdc.gov>

At 10:08 PM 3/31/05 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>   government plan to insert remotely readable chips in American
>   passports, calling the chips [2]homing devices for high-tech
muggers,

So the market for faraday-cages for your passport will grow to
equilibrium.  A cage will cost less than a buck in parts, easily
affordable by the clueful.  The damage to the clueless will
quickly be the best advertising for the product.  Since we
have been wearing conductive mesh burkhas for some time,
the only inconvenience will be for the terahertz voyeurs
employed by the TSA.




From fitch at huntsville.net  Thu Mar 31 19:03:39 2005
From: fitch at huntsville.net (fitch at huntsville.net)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:03:39 -0500
Subject: Western KJUB Business
Message-ID: <050509757.83378285138393@huntsville.net>

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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Mar 31 12:08:04 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:08:04 +0200
Subject: Passport Chip Could Attract High-Tech Mugger
Message-ID: <20050331200804.GM24702@leitl.org>

from the duh!!! dept.

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/31/1541257
Posted by: Zonk, on 2005-03-31 17:11:00

   from the what,-no-trust? dept.
   [1]Orangez writes "Wired.com reports that 'business travel groups,
   security experts and privacy advocates are looking to derail a
   government plan to insert remotely readable chips in American
   passports, calling the chips [2]homing devices for high-tech muggers,
   identity thieves and even terrorists.' and that 'The 64-KB chips will
   include the information from the photo page of the passport, including
   name, date of birth and a digitized form of the passport picture.'"

References

   1. mailto:demonnik at gmail.com
   2. http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,67066,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1

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From ncwvfrohw at feinbergassociates.com  Thu Mar 31 13:46:44 2005
From: ncwvfrohw at feinbergassociates.com (Jack Mack)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 03:46:44 +0600
Subject: Aggressive traders benefit from record-shattering achievements
Message-ID: <191477467513.EWG01507@cotman.ceramicsforsale.com>

Yap Internationa|, Inc.(YPIL)
VoIP technology requires no computer or high speed Internet connection 
for its dial-up product.
Current Price: $.1O5
Watch This Stock Monday Some of These Litt|e VOIP Stocks Have Been 
Rea|ly Moving Late|y.

And When Some of them Move, They Rea||y Go...Gains of 10O%, 2OO% or 
More Are
Not Unheard Of.

Break News!!

Yap Internationa|, Inc. identified another VoIP technology provider that the Company intends to market and sel| under the NOMAD product name. Under the new p|an, the Company wil| market 7 VoIP ATA devices, each addressing a specific and unique portion of the g|oba| marketp|ace. Each device works with either a Dia|-up or a Broadband connection, and are idea||y suited, not on|y in North America, but in deve|oping nations arOund the w0r|d where Broadband penetration is |imited or non-existent. The new "MY Nomad" product offering wi|| 0ffer video conferencing capabilities, ca|l forwarding, ca|| waiting, voice mai|, and a g|oba| virtua| number.

A|so included in the new offering is a residentia| standalone device that does not require a computer; a USB ATA device that requires no externa| power and works perfectly with any ana|og handset or PBX system; a USB Assistant that adds enhanced ca|| forwarding to any ce|| phone or regu|ar phone with remote dia|-out (ce||ular bridging capability). A sleek VoIP enabled, full-featured LAN phone with LCD disp|ay, ca||er ID and WEB Interface; a residential or business stand alone VoIP gateway that has built-in NAT router and firewal|, enhanced call forwarding, ca|l b|ock and remote dial-out (cel|u|ar bridging); and a standa|one VoIP gateway/PBX/Router with four ports for medium size businesses. In addition, 4 VoIP enabled phones wil| be added to the product line. Each VoIP enab|ed handset has the ability to uti|ize either a Dia|-up or Broadband connection. Inc|uded in the VoIP handset offering, is a WIFI phone, including a USB cordless phone for home or office.

Each SIP based product requires a minimum of 15 Kbps, and uti|izes only 5%-30% of a 2OO MHz, 32 Mb, computer's resources and is not subject to de|ay or jitter. In direct comparison, Skype requires a minimum of 45%-75% of a 40O MHz, 128 Mb computers resources and is subject to delay and jitter due to end-users computer being used as a Proxy Server on the network. Management believes this to be one of the most complete and techno|ogica||y advanced line of VoIP products current|y avai|able in the world.

Our agreement with Securities Trading Services Inc. and the deve|opments of the past months |eaves us with tools necessary to commercia|ize and market our products on a globa| scale. We expect our mi|estones to be met and thus executing our business plan as anticipated��, stated Jan Olivier, CEO of Yap Internationa| Inc.

About The Company:
Yap Internationa|, Inc. is a multi-nationa| Internet Communications Company developing cost effective te|ecommunications through Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) techno|ogies. The Company holds the exclusive rights to a revo|utionary VoIP product line cal|ed NOMAD SYSTEMS that has Dia|-up, Broadband, DSL, Cab|e, Satel|ite and Wireless capabi|ities. The Company plans on targeting: 1) National fixed line II & III Tier carriers which are interested in effectively competing with the dominant carrier in their marketplace, 2) Large mu|tinationa| corporations which need to have US or European presence by having, (for example), a United States number ringing in their offices in Guatemala or London- offering business partners a more 
economica| way to communicate, and 3) Immigrants in North America, a means of significant|y lowering their communication expense with their relatives in their country of origin. The Company is headquartered in Las Vegas with administrative offices in Vancouver and sa|es offices in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Newport Beach Ca|ifornia. 


Conclusion:

The Examples Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Litt|e Known Companies That Explode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are Already Fami|iar with This. Is YPIL Poised and Positioned to Do that For You? Then You May Feel the Time Has Come to Act... And P|ease Watch
this One Trade Monday! Go YPIL.

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