From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Wed Jun  1 01:22:51 2005
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 01:22:51 -0700
Subject: e-gold exchange
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F4033E4309758301542D6AB9B040@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F4033E4309758301542D6AB9B040@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050601011024.03395d88@pop.idiom.com>

At 07:22 AM 5/31/2005, Tyler Durden wrote:
>OK...what;s the best exchange service for transferring dollars (perhaps 
>via paypal or credit cards) into egold?


I haven't found anybody that'll take credit cards or paypal
without either major hurdles or extremely high fees -
there's too much risk of fraud including reneging on credit card charges.

However, I've been very pleased with Goldage.net -
they've got several mechanisms for paying them,
including walking in to one of half a dozen major US banks
and making a deposit to their account,
as well as a few varieties of wire transfer.

They're a transaction-based service rather than an account-based service,
and support a variety of online gold currencies.

I don't use e-gold myself - I get so much spam purporting to be
from them that it's much simpler to discard all of it,
since 99.9% is phishing.  But a certain anonymous person
with whom I might or might not be be familiar was able to
use Goldage's online interface to set up a transaction,
hand some dead presidents to a Bank that's in America,
and a day or two later the transaction cleared and
there was a deposit to an electronic currency company's account,
which could allegedly be used to pay a merchant.
Fees were pretty low, though for relatively small transactions
the minimum fee is the main concern, rather than the
percentages that matter more on larger transactions.




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From jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  1 05:15:49 2005
From: jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com (Sarad AV)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:15:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fwd: Order of an integer
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--- Cletus Emmanuel <cemmanu at yahoo.com> wrote:
Two conjectures (or are they?):

1. The order of an integer 'a' modulo P^m =
P^(m-1)*(Order of a mod P); where P
is an odd prime .

2. If a, m, and n are elements of Z and (a,mn) = 1,
then Order of a mod mn =
QR/(Q,R); where Q = Order of a mod m and R = Order of
a mod n and (Q,R) is the
greatest common divisor function.

For example:

Example 1:Let a =2 and P=7. Then the order of 2 mod 7
= 3 and the order of 2
mod 7^3 = 7^2(3)= 147.

Example 2: The Order of 2 mod 11^2 = 11*(Order of 2
mod 11) = 110

Example 3: The Order of 2 mod (3*7) = (Order of 2 mod
3)*(Order of 2 mod
7)/(U,V) = 2*3/1 = 6; where U = Order of 2 mod 3 and V
= Order of 2 mod 7.

Are any of these two statements known? If so, could
one point me in the
direction? If not can anyone prove or disprove?


---Cletus






		
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From tweinst at pacbell.net  Wed Jun  1 09:27:55 2005
From: tweinst at pacbell.net (Tom Weinstein)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:27:55 -0700
Subject: "SSL stops credit card sniffing" is a correlation/causality myth
In-Reply-To: <200506011216.19822.iang@systemics.com>
References: <20050531011757.6E6AE3BFFF3@berkshire.machshav.com> <200505311831.15142.iang@systemics.com> <1117618532.6671.21.camel@lomin> <200506011216.19822.iang@systemics.com>
Message-ID: <429DE20B.7020002@pacbell.net>

Ian G wrote:

>But don't get me wrong - I am not saying that we should
>carry out a world wide pogrom on SSL/PKI.  What I am
>saying is that once we accept that listening right now
>is not an issue - not a threat that is being actively
>dedended against - this allows us the wiggle room to
>deploy that infrastructure against phishing.
>
>Does that make sense?
>  
>
No, not really. Until you can show me an Internet Draft for a solution 
to phishing that requires that we give up SSL, I don't see any reason to 
do so. As a consumer, I'd be very reluctant to give up SSL for credit 
card transactions because I use it all the time and it makes me feel safer.

>What matters is now:  what attacks are happening
>now.  Does phishing exist, and does it take a lot of
>money?  What can we do about it?
>  
>
If you don't know what we can do about phishing, why do you think that 
getting rid of SSL is a necessary first step? You seem to be putting the 
cart in front of the horse.

-- 
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him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.| tweinst at pacbell.net



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From iang at systemics.com  Wed Jun  1 04:16:09 2005
From: iang at systemics.com (Ian G)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:16:09 +0100
Subject: "SSL stops credit card sniffing" is a correlation/causality myth
In-Reply-To: <1117618532.6671.21.camel@lomin>
References: <20050531011757.6E6AE3BFFF3@berkshire.machshav.com> <200505311831.15142.iang@systemics.com> <1117618532.6671.21.camel@lomin>
Message-ID: <200506011216.19822.iang@systemics.com>

On Wednesday 01 June 2005 10:35, Birger Tödtmann wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 31.05.2005, 18:31 +0100 schrieb Ian G:
> [...]
>
> > As an alternate hypothesis, credit cards are not
> > sniffed and never will be sniffed simply because
> > that is not economic.  If you can hack a database
> > and lift 10,000++ credit card numbers, or simply
> > buy the info from some insider, why would an
> > attacker ever bother to try and sniff the wire to
> > pick up one credit card number at a time?
>
> [...]
>
> "And never will be..."?  Not being economic today does not mean it
> couldn't be economic tomorrow.  Today it's far more economic to lift
> data-in-rest because it's fairly easy to get on an insider or break into
> the database itself.

Right, so we are agreed that listening to credit cards
is not an economic attack - regardless of the presence
of SSL.

Now, the point of this is somewhat subtle.  It is not
that you should turn off SSL.

The point is this:  you *could*
turn off SSL and it wouldn't make much difference
to actual security in the short term at least, and maybe
not even in the long term depending on the economic
shifts.

OK, so, are we agreed on that:  we *could* turn off
SSL, but that isn't the same thing as "should* ?

If we've got that far we can go to the next step.

If we *could* turn off SSL then we have some breathing
space, some room to manouvre.  Some wiggle room.

Which means we could modify the model.  Which
means we could change the model, we could tune
the crypto or the PKI.  And in the short term, that
would not be a problem for security because there
isn't an economic attack anyway.  Right now, at
least.

OK so far?

This means that we could improve or decrease
its strength ... as our objectives suggest ... or we
could *re-purpose* SSL if this were so desired.

So we could for example use SSL and PKI to
protect from something else.  If that were an issue.

Let's assume phishing is an issue (1.2 billion
dollars of american money is the favourite number).

If we could figure out a way to change the usage
of SSL and PKI to protect against phishing, would
that be a good idea?

It wouldn't be a bad idea, would it?  How could it
be a bad idea when the infrastructure is in place,
and is not currently being used to defeat any
attack?

So, even in a stupidly aggressive worst case
scenario, if were to "turn off SSL/PKI" in the process
and turn its benefit over to phishing, and discover
that it no longer protects against listening attacks
at all - remember I'm being ridiculously hypothetical
here - then as long as it did *some* benefit in
stopping phishing, that would still be a net good.

That is, there would be some phishing victims
who would thank you for saving them, and there
would *not* be any Visa merchants who would
necessarily damn your grandmother for losing
credit cards.  Not in the short term at least.

And if listening were to erupt in a frenzy in the
future it would likely be possible to turn off the
anti-phishing tasking and turn SSL/PKI back to
protecting against eavesdropping.  Perhaps as
a tradeoff between the credit card victim and
the phishing victim.

But that's just stupidly hypothetical.  The main
thing is that we can fiddle with SSL/PKI if we want
to and we can even afford to make some mistakes.

So the question then results in - could it be used
to benefit phishing?  I can point at some stuff that
says it will be.

But every time this good stuff is suggested, the
developers, cryptographers, security experts and
what have you suck air between their teeth in and
say you can't change SSL or PKI because of this
crypto blah blah reason.

My point is you can change it.  Of course you
can change it - and here's why:  it's not being
economically used over here (listening), and
right over there (phishing), there is an economic
loss waiting attention.


> However, when companies finally find some 
> countermeasures against both attack vectors, adversaries will adapt and
> recalculate the economics.  And they may very well fall back to sniffing
> for data-in-flight, just as they did (and still do sometimes now) to get
> hold of logins and passwords inside corporate networks in the 80s and
> 90s.  If it's more difficult to hack into the database itself than to
> break into a small, not-so-protected system at a large network provider
> and install a sniffer there that silently collects 10,000++ credit card
> numbers over some weeks - then sniffing *is* an issue.  We have seen it,
> and we will see it again.  SSL is a very good countermeasure against
> passive eavesdropping of this kind, and a lot of data suggests that
> active attacks like MITM are seen much less frequently.


All that is absolutely true, in that we can conjecture
that if we close everything else off, then sniffing will
become economic.  That's a fair statement.

But, go and work in one of these places for a while,
or see what Perry said yesterday:

> The day to day problem of security at real financial institutions is
> the fact that humans are very poor at managing complexity, and that
> human error is extremely pervasive. ....

I'm sure that you'll agree that the likelihood of them
closing of all the other attacks is next to nil.  Even
if some top flight security experts manages to find
a client that really cares about security and they
together manage to actually lock everything down
(a rather low probability, I'd suggest) then there will
still be 1000 other places for the attacker to steal
the data.

The day to day reality of financial institutions is that
they do not have good protections in place, they
have *adequate* protections for what they *know*
about.  Which means that there is plenty of pickings
out there.

So I would suggest that listening for credit cards will
never ever be an economic attack.  Sniffing for random
credit cards at the doorsteps of amazon will never ever
be an economic attack, not because it isn't possible,
but because there always likely to be easier pickings
elsewhere.

But don't get me wrong - I am not saying that we should
carry out a world wide pogrom on SSL/PKI.  What I am
saying is that once we accept that listening right now
is not an issue - not a threat that is being actively
dedended against - this allows us the wiggle room to
deploy that infrastructure against phishing.

Does that make sense?

iang

PS: nor does it matter whether I'm right or I'm wrong
about my prediction that sniffing will be an economic
attack or not - it's just a prediction about the future,
just a hypothetical estimate.

What matters is now:  what attacks are happening
now.  Does phishing exist, and does it take a lot of
money?  What can we do about it?
-- 
Advances in Financial Cryptography:
   https://www.financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000458.html

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From lynn at garlic.com  Wed Jun  1 11:52:10 2005
From: lynn at garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:52:10 -0600
Subject: Trojan horse attack involving many major Israeli companies,
    executives
In-Reply-To: <429DB28D.2030200@macs.biu.ac.il>
References: <429B1666.90701@macs.biu.ac.il>  
  <20050531130352.GA6447@ralph.worldwinner.com> 
  <429C791D.1070108@macs.biu.ac.il> <20050531140358.R37356@ubzr.zsa.bet>
  <429DB28D.2030200@macs.biu.ac.il>
Message-ID: <429E03DA.7070901@garlic.com>

Amir Herzberg wrote:
> Nicely put, but I think not quite fair. From friends in financial and 
> other companies in the states and otherwise, I hear that Trojans are 
> very common there as well. In fact, based on my biased judgement and 
> limited exposure, my impression is that security practice is much better 
> in Israeli companies - both providers and users of IT - than in 
> comparable companies in most countries. For example, in my `hall of 
> shame` (link below) you'll find many US and multinational companies 
> which don't protect their login pages properly with SSL (PayPal, Chase, 
> MS, ...). I've found very few Israeli companies, and of the few I've 
> found, two actually acted quickly to fix the problem - which is rare! 
> Most ignored my warning, and few sent me coupons :-) [seriously]
> 
> Could it be that such problems are more often covered-up in other 
> countries? Or maybe that the stronger awareness in Israel also implies 
> more attackers? I think both conclusions are likely. I also think that 
> this exposure will further increase awareness among Israeli IT managers 
> and developers, and hence improve the security of their systems.

there is the story of the (state side) financial institution that was 
outsourcing some of its y2k remediation and failed to perform due 
diligence on the (state side) lowest bidder ... until it was too late 
and they were faced with having to deploy the software anyway.

one of the spoofs of SSL ... was originally it was supposed to be used 
for the whole shopping experience from the URL the enduser entered, thru 
shopping, checkout and payment. webservers found that with SSL they took 
a 80-90% performance hit on their thruput ... so they saved the use of 
SSL until checkout and payment. the SSL countermeasure to MITM-attack is 
that the URL the user entered is checked against the URL in the 
webserver certificate. However, the URL the users were entering weren't 
SSL/HTTPS ... they were just standard stuff ... and so there wasn't any 
countermeasure to MITM-attack.

If the user had gotten to a spoofed MITM site ... they could have done 
all their shopping and then clicked the checkout button ... which might 
provide HTTPS/SSL. however, if it was a spoofed site, it is highly 
probable that the HTTPS URL provided by the (spoofed site) checkout 
button was going to match the URL in any transmitted digital 
certificate. So for all, intents and purposes .. most sites make very 
little use of https/ssl as countermeasure for MITM-attacks ... simply 
encryption as countermeasure for skimming/harvesting (evesdropping).

in general, if the naive user is clicking on something that obfuscates 
the real URL (in some case they don't even have to obfuscate the real 
URL) ... then the crooks can still utilize https/ssl ... making sure 
that they have a valid digital certificate that matches the URL that 
they are providing.

the low-hanging fruit of fraud ROI ... says that the crooks are going to 
go after the easiest target, with the lowest risk, and the biggest 
bang-for-the buck. that has mostly been the data-at-rest transaction 
files. then it is other attacks on either of the end-points. attacking 
generalized internet channels for harvesting/skimming appears to be one 
of the lowest paybacks for the effort. in other domains, there have been 
harvesting/skimming attacks ... but again mostly on end-points ... and 
these are dedicated/concentrated environments where the only traffic ... 
is traffic of interest (any extraneous/uninteresting stuff has already 
been filtered out).




From herzbea at macs.biu.ac.il  Wed Jun  1 06:05:17 2005
From: herzbea at macs.biu.ac.il (Amir Herzberg)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:05:17 +0200
Subject: Trojan horse attack involving many major Israeli companies, 
	executives
In-Reply-To: <20050531140358.R37356@ubzr.zsa.bet>
References: <429B1666.90701@macs.biu.ac.il>  
	<20050531130352.GA6447@ralph.worldwinner.com> 
	<429C791D.1070108@macs.biu.ac.il> <20050531140358.R37356@ubzr.zsa.bet>
Message-ID: <429DB28D.2030200@macs.biu.ac.il>

J.A. Terranson wrote:

> So, how long before someone, possibly even me, points out that all
> Checkpoint software is built in Israel?

Nicely put, but I think not quite fair. From friends in financial and 
other companies in the states and otherwise, I hear that Trojans are 
very common there as well. In fact, based on my biased judgement and 
limited exposure, my impression is that security practice is much better 
in Israeli companies - both providers and users of IT - than in 
comparable companies in most countries. For example, in my `hall of 
shame` (link below) you'll find many US and multinational companies 
which don't protect their login pages properly with SSL (PayPal, Chase, 
MS, ...). I've found very few Israeli companies, and of the few I've 
found, two actually acted quickly to fix the problem - which is rare! 
Most ignored my warning, and few sent me coupons :-) [seriously]

Could it be that such problems are more often covered-up in other 
countries? Or maybe that the stronger awareness in Israel also implies 
more attackers? I think both conclusions are likely. I also think that 
this exposure will further increase awareness among Israeli IT managers 
and developers, and hence improve the security of their systems.
-- 
Best regards,

Amir Herzberg

Associate Professor
Department of Computer Science
Bar Ilan University
http://AmirHerzberg.com

New: see my Hall Of Shame of Unprotected Login pages: 
http://AmirHerzberg.com/shame.html

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From iang at systemics.com  Wed Jun  1 07:23:21 2005
From: iang at systemics.com (Ian G)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:23:21 +0100
Subject: "SSL stops credit card sniffing" is a correlation/causality myth
In-Reply-To: <1117630369.8514.48.camel@lomin>
References: <20050531011757.6E6AE3BFFF3@berkshire.machshav.com> <200506011216.19822.iang@systemics.com> <1117630369.8514.48.camel@lomin>
Message-ID: <200506011523.34385.iang@systemics.com>

Hi Birger,

Nice debate!


On Wednesday 01 June 2005 13:52, Birger Tödtmann wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 01.06.2005, 12:16 +0100 schrieb Ian G:
> [...]
>
> > The point is this:  you *could*
> > turn off SSL and it wouldn't make much difference
> > to actual security in the short term at least, and maybe
> > not even in the long term depending on the economic
> > shifts.
>
> Which depends a bit on the scale of your "could switch of".  If some
> researchers start switching it off / inventing / testing something new,
> then your favourite phisher would not care, that's right.

Right.  That's the point.  It is not a universal
and inescapable bad to fiddle with SSL/PKI.

> [...]
>
> > But every time this good stuff is suggested, the
> > developers, cryptographers, security experts and
> > what have you suck air between their teeth in and
> > say you can't change SSL or PKI because of this
> > crypto blah blah reason.
> >
> > My point is you can change it.  Of course you
> > can change it - and here's why:  it's not being
> > economically used over here (listening), and
> > right over there (phishing), there is an economic
> > loss waiting attention.
>
> Maybe.  But there's a flip-side to that coin.  SSL and correlated
> technology helped to shift the common attack methods from sniffing (it
> was widely popular back then to install a sniffer whereever a hacker got
> his foot inside a network) towards advanced, in some sense "social
> engineering" attacks like phishing *because* it shifted the economics
> for the adversaries as it was more and more used to protect sensitive
> data-in-flight (and sniffing wasn't going to get him a lot of credit
> card data anymore).


OK, and that's where we get into poor use of
data.  Yes, sniffing of passwords existed back
then.  So we know that sniffing is quite possible
and on reasonable scale, plausible technically.

But the motive of sniffing back then was different.
It was for attacking boxes.  Access attack.  Not
for the purpose of theft of commercial data.  It
was a postulation that those that attacked boxes
for access would also sniff for credit cards.  But,
we think that to have been a stretch (hence the
outrageous title of this post) at least up until
recently.

Before 2004, these forces and
attackers were disconnected.  In 2004 they joined
forces.  In which case, you do now have quite a
good case that the installation of sniffers could be
used if there was nothing else worth picking up.
So at least we now have the motive cleared up,
if not the economic attack.

(Darn ... I seem to have argued your case for you ;-) )

> That this behaviour (sniffing) is a thing of the past does not mean it's
> not coming back to you if things are turned around: adversaries are
> strategically thinking people that adapt very fast to new circum-
> stances.

Indeed.  It also doesn't mean that they will come
and attack.  Maybe it is a choice between the
attack that is happening right now and the attack
that will come back.  Or maybe the choice is
not really there, maybe we can cover both if
we put our thinking caps on?

> The discussion reminds me a bit of other popular economic issues: Many
> politicians and some economists all over the world, every year, are
> coming back to asking "Can't we loosen the control on inflation a bit?
> "Look, inflation is a thing of the past, we never got over 3% the last
> umteenth years, lets trigger some employment by relaxing monetary
> discipline now."  The point is: it might work - but if not, your economy
> may end up in tiny little pieces.  It's quite a risk, because you cannot
> test it.  So the stance of many people is to be very conservative on
> things like that - and security folks are no exception.  Maybe fiddling
> with SSL is really a nice idea.  But if it fails at some point and we
> don't have a fallback infrastructure that's going to protect us from the
> sniffer-collector of the 90s, adversaries will be quite happy to bring
> them to new interesting uses then....

Nice analogy!  Like all analogies it should be taken
for descriptive power not presecription.

The point being that one should not slavishly stick
to an argument, one needs to establish principles.
One principle is that we protect where money is being
lost, over and above somewhere where someone
says it was once lost in the past.  And at least then
we'll learn the appropriate balance when we get it
wrong, which can't be much worse than now, coz
we are getting it really wrong at the moment.

(On the monetary economics analogy, if you said your
principle was to eliminate inflation, I'd say fine!  There
is an easy way to do just that, just use gold as money,
which has maintained its value throughout recorded
history, not just the last century!  The "targets" debate
has been echoing on for decades, and there is no
real end in sight.)

> > So I would suggest that listening for credit cards will
> > never ever be an economic attack.  Sniffing for random
> > credit cards at the doorsteps of amazon will never ever
> > be an economic attack, not because it isn't possible,
> > but because there always likely to be easier pickings
> > elsewhere.
>
> And exactly this "always likely to be easier pickings" has to be
> weighted very, very carefully.  The best thing to find out would be to
> make a poll within the black hat population.

That's one way.  Another way is to put the fixes into
browsers and trial it out there.  To some extent this
has been done - you can see for example Trustbar
and Petname as both similar attempts, and a very
different approach taken by Netcraft.  The results
are all positive.

What is needed is a series of experiments to try out
how different mechanisms work - there is no way that
you or I could predict the perfect way.  But we can't
push those experiments so far forward unless we can
convince the detractors of change to back off and
let some experimentation be done.

That is the problem with all these suggestions - they
do some "change" to the model of SSL/PKI.  And that
change is sometimes good sometimes bad and sometimes
completely dismissive - but they all get the same response
being <sucks> you can't change SSL! </teeth>

Consider petname.  *All* it does is allow someone to put
a name on a cert.  That's all.  But because it changes the
security model about how a cert is supposed to protect
users - in what might be thought of as a positive way -
this has received resistance.

That's what we are fighting against.  That's why I have
to go to such extraordinary lengths to show that it is
possible to change the model.

> > But don't get me wrong - I am not saying that we should
> > carry out a world wide pogrom on SSL/PKI.  What I am
> > saying is that once we accept that listening right now
> > is not an issue - not a threat that is being actively
> > dedended against - this allows us the wiggle room to
> > deploy that infrastructure against phishing.
> >
> > Does that make sense?
>
> Yes and no.  I think it is simply not relevant whether sniffing is a
> problem today but whether it will become one again tomorrow if you mess
> around with security mechanisms deployed right now.


Well, I'm establishing a point here - there is wiggle room,
room to manouvre.

This might mean SSL/PKI is reduced in strength.  *OR*
it might mean it is improved in strength.  I really don't
care, I'm interested in the results, not the way it was
achieved.

*OR* it might mean that SSL/PKI is bypassed totally.

For an example of the latter, look at Netcraft.  This is
quite serious - they are putting out a tool that totally
bypasses PKI/SSL in securing browsing.  Is it insecure?
Yes of course, and "it leaks my data like a seive" as
one PKI guy said.

Is it securing browsing?  Yes!  As recently reported,
60,000 downloads "within hours" for Firefox after it
got slashdotted.  The contradictions need to be
addressed, and more seriously than just rejecting
any change to SSL/PKI;  by rejecting the minor
changes by Trustbar and Petname, the way is
open for the really dramatic and major changes
like Netcraft.  And it's insecure to boot!


> > iang
> >
> > PS: nor does it matter whether I'm right or I'm wrong
> > about my prediction that sniffing will be an economic
> > attack or not - it's just a prediction about the future,
> > just a hypothetical estimate.
>
> But this very prediction is used as an argument by you.  If the
> estimation on the risks is not correct, your reasoning is falling apart.

Not really.  My point is that there is room to move.  You
can fiddle with the model.  Nobody's talking about removing
SSL/PKI, and I don't know why people keep assuming that
it is on the agenda.  There is simply too much code out
there to remove it.

What people are talking about is trying different things.  The
SSL/PKI people are pretty universally blocking those things
at the moment, for whatever reasons, but sadly, because
they are not taking the bigger picture seriously, they are
somewhat in danger of being bypassed totally by things like
Netcraft's plugin.  Or worse (yes, there is worse than Netcraft's
toolbar in the wings.)

> > What matters is now:  what attacks are happening
> > now.  Does phishing exist, and does it take a lot of
> > money?  What can we do about it?
>
> Right.  Phishing is a very big problem.  A huge problem.  So is
> unemployment in many countries.  But that's not a reason to relax
> monetary control.  It's a reason to find the structural problem behind
> it and fix it.  To make ends meet: phishing is not nessecarily a reason
> to fiddle with data-in-flight protective mechnisms like SSL, at least
> not in a big population.

So where is the structural problem in phishing?  On the
left is the phisher, on the right is the user.  Between them
is a wire, a browser, a PC, and a hook delivery mechanism.
Over in the distance is the other victim, the online bank.

So where's this structural problem and let's get in there
and fix it?

iang
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From iang at systemics.com  Wed Jun  1 08:24:47 2005
From: iang at systemics.com (Ian G)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:24:47 +0100
Subject: "SSL stops credit card sniffing" is a correlation/causality myth
In-Reply-To: <20050531183839.89CBA3BFFF9@berkshire.machshav.com>
References: <20050531183839.89CBA3BFFF9@berkshire.machshav.com>
Message-ID: <200506011625.03879.iang@systemics.com>

On Tuesday 31 May 2005 19:38, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> In message <200505311831.15142.iang at systemics.com>, Ian G writes:
> >On Tuesday 31 May 2005 02:17, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> >> In message <427CCA9B.29132.760A1FC at localhost>, "James A. Donald" writes:
> >> >    --
> >> >PKI was designed to defeat man in the middle attacks
> >> >based on network sniffing, or DNS hijacking, which
> >> >turned out to be less of a threat than expected.
> >>
> >> First, you mean "the Web PKI", not PKI in general.
> >>
> >> The next part of this is circular reasoning.  We don't see network
> >> sniffing for credit card numbers *because* we have SSL.
> >
> >I think you meant to write that James' reasoning is
> >circular, but strangely, your reasoning is at least as
> >unfounded - correlation not causality.  And I think
> >the evidence is pretty much against any causality,
> >although this will be something that is hard to show,
> >in the absence.
>
> Given the prevalance of password sniffers as early as 1993, and given
> that credit card number sniffing is technically easier -- credit card
> numbers will tend to be in a single packet, and comprise a
> self-checking string, I stand by my statement.


Well, I'm not arguing it is technically hard.  It's just
un-economic.  In the same sense that it is not technically
difficult for us to get in a car and go run someone
over;  but we still don't do it.  And we don't ban the
roads nor insist on our butlers walking with a red
flag in front of the car, either.  Well, not any more.

So I stand by my statement - correlation is not causality.

> > * AFAICS, a non-trivial proportion of credit
> >card traffic occurs over totally unprotected
> >traffic, and that has never been sniffed as far as
> >anyone has ever reported.  (By this I mean lots of
> >small merchants with MOTO accounts that don't
> >bother to set up "proper" SSL servers.)
>
> Given what a small percentage of ecommerce goes to those sites, I don't
> think it's really noticeable.


Exactly my point.  Sniffing isn't noticeable.  Neither
in the cases we know it could happen, nor in the
areas.  The one place where it has been noticed is
with passwords and what we know from that experience
is that even the slightest security works to overcome
that threat.  SSH is overkill, compared to the passwords
mailouts that successfully protect online password sites.

> > * We know that from our experiences
> >of the wireless 802.11 crypto - even though we've
> >got repeated breaks and the FBI even demonstrating
> >how to break it, and the majority of people don't even
> >bother to turn on the crypto, there remains practically
> >zero evidence that anyone is listening.
> >
> >  FBI tells you how to do it:
> >  https://www.financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000476.
>
> Sure -- but setting up WEP is a nuisance.  SSL (mostly) just works.

SSH just works - and it worked directly against the
threat you listed above (password sniffing).  But it
has no "PKI" to speak of, and this discussion is about
whether PKI protects people, because it is PKI that is
supposed to protect against spoofing - a.k.a. phishing.

And it is PKI that makes SSL "just doesn't set up."
Anyone who's ever had to set up an Apache web
server for SSL has to have asked themselves the
question ... "why doesn't this just work" ?

> As 
> for your assertion that no one is listening, I'm not sure what kind of
> evidence you'd seek.  There's plenty of evidence that people abuse
> unprotected access points to gain connectivity.

Simply, evidence that people are listening.  Sniffing
by means of the wire.

Evidence that people abuse to gain unprotected
access is nothing to do with sniffing traffic to steal
information.  That's theft of access, which is a fairly
minor issue, especially as it doesn't have any
economic damages worth speaking of.  In fact,
many cases seem to be more accidental access
where neighbours end up using each other's access
points because the software doesn't know where the
property lines are.


> >> Since many of
> >> the worm-spread pieces of spyware incorporate sniffers, I'd say that
> >> part of the threat model is correct.
> >
> >But this is totally incorrect!  The spyware installs on the
> >users' machines, and thus does not need to sniff the
> >wire.  The assumption of SSL is (as written up in Eric's
> >fine book) that the wire is insecure and the node is
> >secure, and if the node is insecure then we are sunk.
>
> I meant precisely what I said and I stand by my statement.  I'm quite
> well aware of the difference between network sniffers and keystroke
> loggers.


OK, so maybe I am incorrectly reading this - are you
saying that spyware is being delivered that incorporates
wire sniffers?  Sniffers that listen to the ethernet traffic?

If that's the case, that is the first I've heard of it.  What
is it that these sniffers are listening for?

> >  Eric's book and "1.2 The Internet Threat Model"
> >  http://iang.org/ssl/rescorla_1.html
> >
> >Presence of keyboard sniffing does not give us any
> >evidence at all towards wire sniffing and only serves
> >to further embarrass the SSL threat model.
> >
> >> As for DNS hijacking -- that's what's behind "pharming" attacks.  In
> >> other words, it's a real threat, too.
> >
> >Yes, that's being tried now too.  This is I suspect the
> >one area where the SSL model correctly predicted
> >a minor threat.  But from what I can tell, server-based
> >DNS hijacking isn't that successful for the obvious
> >reasons (attacking the ISP to get to the user is a
> >higher risk strategy than makes sense in phishing).
>
> They're using cache contamination attacks, among other things.
>
> ...
>
> >As perhaps further evidence of the black mark against
> >so-called secure browsing, phishers still have not
> >bothered to acquire control-of-domain certs for $30
> >and use them to spoof websites over SSL.
> >
> >Now, that's either evidence that $30 is too much to
> >pay, or that users just ignore the certs and padlocks
> >so it is no big deal anyway.  Either way, a model
> >that is bypassed so disparagingly without even a
> >direct attack on the PKI is not exactly recommending
> >itself.
>
> I agre completely that virtually no one checks certificates (or even
> knows what they are).
>
>
> 		--Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

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From adam at cypherspace.org  Wed Jun  1 15:09:29 2005
From: adam at cypherspace.org (Adam Back)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:09:29 -0400
Subject: /. [Intel Adds DRM to New Chips]
In-Reply-To: <1117644476.6910.181.camel@station>
References: <20050528195352.GE3361@leitl.org>
  <1117644476.6910.181.camel@station>
Message-ID: <20050601220929.GA1869@bitchcake.off.net>

[could you use CPU emulator to bypass these motherboard and CPU based
DRM systems].

Answer: no.  They have but private keys inside the DRM hardware, and
signed the corresponding public key with a CA that they control.  That
plus some hashing/bootstrapping etc of the startup and some other code
allows them to ensure that an emulated version of the same software
could not provide a valid signature + cert that a DRM content provider
would accept.

They also have models where the video card and/or monitor are in the
trust model -- and there are secured high bandwidth channels between
DRM provider and CPU, and CPU and graphics card/decoder.

There is also a model for software called "Trusted Agents" that
actually run on your CPU but are in a ring -1 (below ring 0) that you
can not debug.

Another possibility is read the stuff out of RAM or video RAM.
Midterm they can fix that also with on the fly RAM encrypt/decrypt.

But I still say it's futile and stupid, because people will hack the
digital display, tap into the graphics card, hack video card drivers
etc and re-encode.  (Rip-once copy anywhere).  Worst case people will
A2D from the display "telesync" style.

Adam

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 06:47:56PM +0200, DiSToAGe wrote:
> it seem more compagny are going to put protection and drm in hardware,
> to avoid bypassing or cracking it. I ask myself from times about such
> systems bypassing with emulators use. The role of an emulator is to work
> "as" a real cpu. What would be the usability of such an emulator with
> cpu-drm enabled emulation ? The emulator work with real instructions of
> drm-cpu, the os belive as a real one. But the emulation software can
> give access of such drm datas to softwares running in the host os to
> access or modify them. What people here that certainly have better
> experiences than me in crypto think about such system ? Is it a possible
> flow in new drm protected systems ?
> 
> 
> -- 
> "Perhaps one day "computer science" will, like Yugoslavia, get broken up
> into its component parts. That might be a good thing. Especially if it
> meant independence for my native land, hacking."
> (hackers and Painters) [ Paul Graham ]




From distoage at sbbi.net  Wed Jun  1 09:47:56 2005
From: distoage at sbbi.net (DiSToAGe)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:47:56 +0200
Subject: /. [Intel Adds DRM to New Chips]
In-Reply-To: <20050528195352.GE3361@leitl.org>
References: <20050528195352.GE3361@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <1117644476.6910.181.camel@station>

Le samedi 28 mai 2005 ` 21:53 +0200, Eugen Leitl a icrit :
> Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/28/1718200
> Posted by: Zonk, on 2005-05-28 17:37:00
> 
>    from the get-you-where-you-live dept.
>    Badluck writes "Microsoft and the entertainment industry's holy grail
>    of controlling copyright through the motherboard has moved a step
>    closer with Intel Corp. now embedding [1]digital rights management
>    within in its latest dual-core processor Pentium D and accompanying
>    945 chipset. Officially launched worldwide on the May 26, the new
>    offerings come [2]DRM -enabled and will, at least in theory, allow
>    copyright holders to prevent unauthorized copying and distribution of
>    copyrighted materials from the motherboard rather than through the
>    operating system as is currently the case..." [3]The Inquirer has the
>    story as well.
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915
>    2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
>    3. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23548

it seem more compagny are going to put protection and drm in hardware,
to avoid bypassing or cracking it. I ask myself from times about such
systems bypassing with emulators use. The role of an emulator is to work
"as" a real cpu. What would be the usability of such an emulator with
cpu-drm enabled emulation ? The emulator work with real instructions of
drm-cpu, the os belive as a real one. But the emulation software can
give access of such drm datas to softwares running in the host os to
access or modify them. What people here that certainly have better
experiences than me in crypto think about such system ? Is it a possible
flow in new drm protected systems ?


-- 
"Perhaps one day "computer science" will, like Yugoslavia, get broken up
into its component parts. That might be a good thing. Especially if it
meant independence for my native land, hacking."
(hackers and Painters) [ Paul Graham ]




From iang at systemics.com  Wed Jun  1 10:59:30 2005
From: iang at systemics.com (Ian G)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:59:30 +0100
Subject: "SSL stops credit card sniffing" is a correlation/causality myth
In-Reply-To: <200506011625.03879.iang@systemics.com>
References: <20050531183839.89CBA3BFFF9@berkshire.machshav.com> <200506011625.03879.iang@systemics.com>
Message-ID: <200506011859.39812.iang@systemics.com>

Ahh-oops!  That particular reply was scrappily written
late at night and wasn't meant to be sent!  Apologies
belatedly, I'd since actually come to the conclusion
that Steve's statement was strictly correct, in that
we won't ever *see* sniffing because SSL is in place,
whereas I interpreted this incorrectly perhaps as
SSL *stopped* sniffing.  Subtle distinctions can
sometimes matter.

So please ignore the previous email, unless a cruel
and unusual punishment is demanded...

iang


On Wednesday 01 June 2005 16:24, Ian G wrote:
> On Tuesday 31 May 2005 19:38, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> > In message <200505311831.15142.iang at systemics.com>, Ian G writes:
> > >On Tuesday 31 May 2005 02:17, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> > >> In message <427CCA9B.29132.760A1FC at localhost>, "James A. Donald" 
writes:
> > >> >    --
> > >> >PKI was designed to defeat man in the middle attacks
> > >> >based on network sniffing, or DNS hijacking, which
> > >> >turned out to be less of a threat than expected.
> > >>
> > >> First, you mean "the Web PKI", not PKI in general.
> > >>
> > >> The next part of this is circular reasoning.  We don't see network
> > >> sniffing for credit card numbers *because* we have SSL.
> > >
> > >I think you meant to write that James' reasoning is
> > >circular, but strangely, your reasoning is at least as
> > >unfounded - correlation not causality.  And I think
> > >the evidence is pretty much against any causality,
> > >although this will be something that is hard to show,
> > >in the absence.
> >
> > Given the prevalance of password sniffers as early as 1993, and given
> > that credit card number sniffing is technically easier -- credit card
> > numbers will tend to be in a single packet, and comprise a
> > self-checking string, I stand by my statement.
>
> Well, I'm not arguing it is technically hard.  It's just
> un-economic.  In the same sense that it is not technically
> difficult for us to get in a car and go run someone
> over;  but we still don't do it.  And we don't ban the
> roads nor insist on our butlers walking with a red
> flag in front of the car, either.  Well, not any more.
>
> So I stand by my statement - correlation is not causality.
>
> > > * AFAICS, a non-trivial proportion of credit
> > >card traffic occurs over totally unprotected
> > >traffic, and that has never been sniffed as far as
> > >anyone has ever reported.  (By this I mean lots of
> > >small merchants with MOTO accounts that don't
> > >bother to set up "proper" SSL servers.)
> >
> > Given what a small percentage of ecommerce goes to those sites, I don't
> > think it's really noticeable.
>
> Exactly my point.  Sniffing isn't noticeable.  Neither
> in the cases we know it could happen, nor in the
> areas.  The one place where it has been noticed is
> with passwords and what we know from that experience
> is that even the slightest security works to overcome
> that threat.  SSH is overkill, compared to the passwords
> mailouts that successfully protect online password sites.
>
> > > * We know that from our experiences
> > >of the wireless 802.11 crypto - even though we've
> > >got repeated breaks and the FBI even demonstrating
> > >how to break it, and the majority of people don't even
> > >bother to turn on the crypto, there remains practically
> > >zero evidence that anyone is listening.
> > >
> > >  FBI tells you how to do it:
> > >  https://www.financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000476.
> >
> > Sure -- but setting up WEP is a nuisance.  SSL (mostly) just works.
>
> SSH just works - and it worked directly against the
> threat you listed above (password sniffing).  But it
> has no "PKI" to speak of, and this discussion is about
> whether PKI protects people, because it is PKI that is
> supposed to protect against spoofing - a.k.a. phishing.
>
> And it is PKI that makes SSL "just doesn't set up."
> Anyone who's ever had to set up an Apache web
> server for SSL has to have asked themselves the
> question ... "why doesn't this just work" ?
>
> > As
> > for your assertion that no one is listening, I'm not sure what kind of
> > evidence you'd seek.  There's plenty of evidence that people abuse
> > unprotected access points to gain connectivity.
>
> Simply, evidence that people are listening.  Sniffing
> by means of the wire.
>
> Evidence that people abuse to gain unprotected
> access is nothing to do with sniffing traffic to steal
> information.  That's theft of access, which is a fairly
> minor issue, especially as it doesn't have any
> economic damages worth speaking of.  In fact,
> many cases seem to be more accidental access
> where neighbours end up using each other's access
> points because the software doesn't know where the
> property lines are.
>
> > >> Since many of
> > >> the worm-spread pieces of spyware incorporate sniffers, I'd say that
> > >> part of the threat model is correct.
> > >
> > >But this is totally incorrect!  The spyware installs on the
> > >users' machines, and thus does not need to sniff the
> > >wire.  The assumption of SSL is (as written up in Eric's
> > >fine book) that the wire is insecure and the node is
> > >secure, and if the node is insecure then we are sunk.
> >
> > I meant precisely what I said and I stand by my statement.  I'm quite
> > well aware of the difference between network sniffers and keystroke
> > loggers.
>
> OK, so maybe I am incorrectly reading this - are you
> saying that spyware is being delivered that incorporates
> wire sniffers?  Sniffers that listen to the ethernet traffic?
>
> If that's the case, that is the first I've heard of it.  What
> is it that these sniffers are listening for?
>
> > >  Eric's book and "1.2 The Internet Threat Model"
> > >  http://iang.org/ssl/rescorla_1.html
> > >
> > >Presence of keyboard sniffing does not give us any
> > >evidence at all towards wire sniffing and only serves
> > >to further embarrass the SSL threat model.
> > >
> > >> As for DNS hijacking -- that's what's behind "pharming" attacks.  In
> > >> other words, it's a real threat, too.
> > >
> > >Yes, that's being tried now too.  This is I suspect the
> > >one area where the SSL model correctly predicted
> > >a minor threat.  But from what I can tell, server-based
> > >DNS hijacking isn't that successful for the obvious
> > >reasons (attacking the ISP to get to the user is a
> > >higher risk strategy than makes sense in phishing).
> >
> > They're using cache contamination attacks, among other things.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > >As perhaps further evidence of the black mark against
> > >so-called secure browsing, phishers still have not
> > >bothered to acquire control-of-domain certs for $30
> > >and use them to spoof websites over SSL.
> > >
> > >Now, that's either evidence that $30 is too much to
> > >pay, or that users just ignore the certs and padlocks
> > >so it is no big deal anyway.  Either way, a model
> > >that is bypassed so disparagingly without even a
> > >direct attack on the PKI is not exactly recommending
> > >itself.
> >
> > I agre completely that virtually no one checks certificates (or even
> > knows what they are).
> >
> >
> > 		--Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

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From mv at cdc.gov  Wed Jun  1 19:47:37 2005
From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret))
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:47:37 -0700
Subject: FTC bans P2P, anonymity, encryption
Message-ID: <429E7349.8AABE0A8@cdc.gov>

The FTC seems to think they can require (by force)
the disconnection of zombie PCs.  To cut spam.

If they assert the right to control what software runs
on net-connected machines, what is to stop them
from barring any other software?  After all,
P2P threatens the economy, anonymity and
encryption threatens the State.

Will no one think of the chiiildren?

-------
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From measl at mfn.org  Wed Jun  1 20:03:09 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 22:03:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: TESTING WHITELIST: PLEASE IGNORE
Message-ID: <20050601220232.O4154@ubzr.zsa.bet>

Thanks for your patience.

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org
0xBD4A95BF


"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public
plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to
the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always
be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by
predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."

Joseph Pulitzer
1907 Speech




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From richard at stiennon.com  Thu Jun  2 07:54:04 2005
From: richard at stiennon.com (Richard Stiennon)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:54:04 -0600
Subject: Trojan horse attack involving many major Israeli  
In-Reply-To: <429DB28D.2030200@macs.biu.ac.il>
References: <429B1666.90701@macs.biu.ac.il>   
  <20050531130352.GA6447@ralph.worldwinner.com>   
  <429C791D.1070108@macs.biu.ac.il>   
  <20050531140358.R37356@ubzr.zsa.bet>   
  <429DB28D.2030200@macs.biu.ac.il>
Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050602085309.03da41f0@mail.stiennon.com>

...while having close to zero impact on US and EU security practises.

-RS

At 07:05 AM 6/1/2005, Amir Herzberg wrote:
>J.A. Terranson wrote:
>
>>So, how long before someone, possibly even me, points out that all
>>Checkpoint software is built in Israel?
>
>Nicely put, but I think not quite fair. From friends in financial and 
>other companies in the states and otherwise, I hear that Trojans are very 
>common there as well. In fact, based on my biased judgement and limited 
>exposure, my impression is that security practice is much better in 
>Israeli companies - both providers and users of IT - than in comparable 
>companies in most countries. For example, in my `hall of shame` (link 
>below) you'll find many US and multinational companies which don't protect 
>their login pages properly with SSL (PayPal, Chase, MS, ...). I've found 
>very few Israeli companies, and of the few I've found, two actually acted 
>quickly to fix the problem - which is rare! Most ignored my warning, and 
>few sent me coupons :-) [seriously]
>
>Could it be that such problems are more often covered-up in other 
>countries? Or maybe that the stronger awareness in Israel also implies 
>more attackers? I think both conclusions are likely. I also think that 
>this exposure will further increase awareness among Israeli IT managers 
>and developers, and hence improve the security of their systems.
>--
>Best regards,
>
>Amir Herzberg
>
>Associate Professor
>Department of Computer Science
>Bar Ilan University
>http://AmirHerzberg.com
>
>New: see my Hall Of Shame of Unprotected Login pages: 
>http://AmirHerzberg.com/shame.html
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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jun  2 00:27:39 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:27:39 +0200
Subject: /. [Intel Adds DRM to New Chips]
In-Reply-To: <1117703131.6993.73.camel@station>
References: <20050528195352.GE3361@leitl.org>
  <1117644476.6910.181.camel@station>
  <20050601220929.GA1869@bitchcake.off.net>
  <1117703131.6993.73.camel@station>
Message-ID: <20050602072739.GP4197@leitl.org>

On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 11:05:30AM +0200, DiSToAGe wrote:

> I have read infos that say that audio and video drivers will be in the
> trusted chain. If your hardware system is used by an os (i.e. win) on
> which you can't create drivers, and only industry signed drivers can be
> used you can't bypass this by hacking drivers ...

The code running in the trusted sandbox isn't magic, so if it's complex
enough there will be vulnerabilities (not a problem in theory, but in
practice).

> My though is the hardware drm can be reverse engineered ? If you use

My thought is, can cryptosystems be broken? Not by 31337 h4x0rs, obviously.

> cert on your DRM you must put cert and private keys on your DRM chip ...

Not you -- somebody else. Generated on board, probably, or generated
externally, and loaded into the hardware.

> So you have somewhere memory (rom or else) where you have this private

So far, so good.

> and cert datas. So with good tools you can read what are the bits in
> this DRM. So you can make a "soft drm" that use all the instructions of

If you mean by good tools 100 k$ worth of hardware (and a skilled operator)
to read out the state of bits on die, after etching away the enclosing,
you're correct.

Why do you think a system designed to contain and keep a secret will contain
a convenient backdoor?

> the reverse engineered hard drm, you but the reverse engineered private
> key, certs on your soft drm. All this goes on a "emulated" drm part on
> your os emulator. So booting the os believe that it is hard, because all
> instructions are the same, certs is the same, and private key can be
> used by your soft drm to en/crypt drm files ...??? We see that with time
> almost all can be reverse engineered, can it be the same with hard drm
> systems ??

--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.leitl.org
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From eugen at leitl.org  Thu Jun  2 01:50:36 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:50:36 +0200
Subject: /. [Intel Adds DRM to New Chips]
In-Reply-To: <1117707969.6993.105.camel@station>
References: <20050528195352.GE3361@leitl.org>
  <1117644476.6910.181.camel@station>
  <20050601220929.GA1869@bitchcake.off.net>
  <1117703131.6993.73.camel@station> <20050602072739.GP4197@leitl.org>
  <1117707969.6993.105.camel@station>
Message-ID: <20050602085036.GT4197@leitl.org>

On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 12:26:09PM +0200, DiSToAGe wrote:

> yes, with "you" I meen "you being an hardware maker"

Yes, the hardware maker hides the secret in a bit of tamperproof hardware you
buy. That's the whole idea of digital restriction management -- taking away
things you could do with the hardware and data you paid for.

If it wasn't for the tremendous abuse potential that this functionality
just begs for, DRM would be actually be a good solution for motivating
customers to reimburse content creators, and ensure sustainability of
the creative process.

Would. In some alternative universe, somewhere. Where the cow leaped over the
moon. Not in this universe.

>
> > Why do you think a system designed to contain and keep a secret will
contain
> > a convenient backdoor?
> >
>
> not a backdoor, we forget to much that every system is only 1 and 0
> through electricity and physical circuits. If you can make them you can

Every system is only made from some 100-odd different atoms.

> watch them (with time and monney i agree). Perhaps thinking that datas

The point of a tamper-proof storage for secrets is that it takes ridiculous
amounts of work to break it open, and to extract the secret in one piece.
And you'll only get that *one* secret. So much easier to exploit
the analog hole (but watch out for watermarks).

> (certs, instructions) can be "hidden" behind a physical thing is only a
> dream ? I ask myself if not every cryptosystem where you must have

The stone you stubbed your toe upon is also just a dream. Still hurts,
doesn't it?

> something "hidden" or "physically not accessible" in point of the
> process is not sure ?

All of cryptography is based on keeping secrets. The hiding secrets in
tamperproof hardware angle is that everybody owns safes but not their
contents.

Sounds ridiculously difficult to sell, doesn't it? It helps if you lie about
it, and paint the safes in gaudy colors, and make them useful for lots of
other, pretty and shiny things.

But the lying about it bit is crucial.

--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.leitl.org
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From distoage at sbbi.net  Thu Jun  2 02:05:30 2005
From: distoage at sbbi.net (DiSToAGe)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:05:30 +0200
Subject: /. [Intel Adds DRM to New Chips]
In-Reply-To: <20050601220929.GA1869@bitchcake.off.net>
References: <20050528195352.GE3361@leitl.org> 	
  <1117644476.6910.181.camel@station> 	
  <20050601220929.GA1869@bitchcake.off.net>
Message-ID: <1117703131.6993.73.camel@station>

(thanks for interesting answer)

I have read infos that say that audio and video drivers will be in the
trusted chain. If your hardware system is used by an os (i.e. win) on
which you can't create drivers, and only industry signed drivers can be
used you can't bypass this by hacking drivers ...

My though is the hardware drm can be reverse engineered ? If you use
cert on your DRM you must put cert and private keys on your DRM chip ...
So you have somewhere memory (rom or else) where you have this private
and cert datas. So with good tools you can read what are the bits in
this DRM. So you can make a "soft drm" that use all the instructions of
the reverse engineered hard drm, you but the reverse engineered private
key, certs on your soft drm. All this goes on a "emulated" drm part on
your os emulator. So booting the os believe that it is hard, because all
instructions are the same, certs is the same, and private key can be
used by your soft drm to en/crypt drm files ...??? We see that with time
almost all can be reverse engineered, can it be the same with hard drm
systems ??

(so seems happy futur, something you buy and use but don't own ?)


Le mercredi 01 juin 2005 ` 18:09 -0400, Adam Back a icrit :
> [could you use CPU emulator to bypass these motherboard and CPU based
> DRM systems].
> 
> Answer: no.  They have but private keys inside the DRM hardware, and
> signed the corresponding public key with a CA that they control.  That
> plus some hashing/bootstrapping etc of the startup and some other code
> allows them to ensure that an emulated version of the same software
> could not provide a valid signature + cert that a DRM content provider
> would accept.
> 
> They also have models where the video card and/or monitor are in the
> trust model -- and there are secured high bandwidth channels between
> DRM provider and CPU, and CPU and graphics card/decoder.
> 
> There is also a model for software called "Trusted Agents" that
> actually run on your CPU but are in a ring -1 (below ring 0) that you
> can not debug.
> 
> Another possibility is read the stuff out of RAM or video RAM.
> Midterm they can fix that also with on the fly RAM encrypt/decrypt.
> 
> But I still say it's futile and stupid, because people will hack the
> digital display, tap into the graphics card, hack video card drivers
> etc and re-encode.  (Rip-once copy anywhere).  Worst case people will
> A2D from the display "telesync" style.
> 
> Adam

-- 
"Perhaps one day "computer science" will, like Yugoslavia, get broken up
into its component parts. That might be a good thing. Especially if it
meant independence for my native land, hacking."
(hackers and Painters) [ Paul Graham ]




From kelsey.j at ix.netcom.com  Thu Jun  2 08:34:08 2005
From: kelsey.j at ix.netcom.com (John Kelsey)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:34:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: /. [Intel Adds DRM to New Chips]
Message-ID: <7946061.1117726448565.JavaMail.root@wamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>From: DiSToAGe <distoage at sbbi.net>
>Sent: Jun 2, 2005 5:05 AM
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Re: /. [Intel Adds DRM to New Chips]

>I have read infos that say that audio and video drivers will be in the
>trusted chain. If your hardware system is used by an os (i.e. win) on
>which you can't create drivers, and only industry signed drivers can be
>used you can't bypass this by hacking drivers ...

Right.  This has to happen if you want the basic DRM model to work.
The big thing to understand here is that the content protection people
are okay with the model of the world where a relatively small number
of pirates with a lot of capital and expertise can crack out content
and make copies for sale.  They already live in that world, and the
analog hole makes it genuinely impossible for them to get out of it.
The world that they want to avoid living in is the one where the only
capital required to become a major pirate is a PC.  

The difference here is in two parts:  When pirates have to have a lot
of capital, they have to charge for their pirated works.  So the
difference isn't "pay $15 for a new CD or just do download it," it's
"pay $15 for a new CD or pay $3 for a new CD."  And then the pirate
has to worry about getting paid, which means dealing with some kind of
(in practice traceable) payment protocol if he wants to do business
online.  And shutting down pirates who have $500,000 invested in their
business actually makes some financial sense--you can spend a few
thousand dollars shutting them down without spending yourself into
bankruptcy.  

By contrast, the world in which every PC owner can be a pirate is much
nastier for the content owners.  Being a pirate is so easy that the
resulting ripped music files are made available for free, just as part
of someone joining a P2P network or some such thing.  That means the
user gets a decision like "Buy a CD for $15, which I will then want to
rip so I can put it on my laptop and MP3 player anyway, or just
download it for free."  The pirates aren't charging anything, so they
don't have to worry about getting paid or being traced by their
payment mechanism.  And enforcement actions against pirates in this
world are comically inefficient--you end up spending thousands of
dollars to shut down one 14 year old with a PC, and all the money you
can spend doesn't really have much impact on the problem.  You're left
trying to make examples of a few people, which makes you look like
bullies, and which is unlikely to work all that well anyway.  

>My though is the hardware drm can be reverse engineered ? If you use
>cert on your DRM you must put cert and private keys on your DRM chip ...
>So you have somewhere memory (rom or else) where you have this private
>and cert datas. So with good tools you can read what are the bits in
>this DRM. 

Right.  The critical issue here is whether a random user can just
download some software to defeat the DRM.  If it costs lots of money
to extract the DRM secrets, there's some question of whether the
people who spent that money will release the keys into the wild for
free.  And many schemes have at least some notion of revoking keys
that have been released into the wild, so that your new CDs don't play
with the hacked DRM server.  

The point of all this isn't to stop determined pirates--that's
impossible because of the analog hole.  The point is to stop casual
piracy.  That seems at least possibly doable to me.  (The big question
is whether the existence of non-DRMed copies of lots of content will
make it possible to just *ignore* the DRMed stuff.)

--John




From distoage at sbbi.net  Thu Jun  2 03:26:09 2005
From: distoage at sbbi.net (DiSToAGe)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:26:09 +0200
Subject: /. [Intel Adds DRM to New Chips]
In-Reply-To: <20050602072739.GP4197@leitl.org>
References: <20050528195352.GE3361@leitl.org> 	
  <1117644476.6910.181.camel@station> 	
  <20050601220929.GA1869@bitchcake.off.net> 	
  <1117703131.6993.73.camel@station>  <20050602072739.GP4197@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <1117707969.6993.105.camel@station>

Le jeudi 02 juin 2005 ` 09:27 +0200, Eugen Leitl a icrit :
> My thought is, can cryptosystems be broken? Not by 31337 h4x0rs, obviously.
> 

with time each, but not the general crypto "philosophy" ?

> > cert on your DRM you must put cert and private keys on your DRM chip ...
> 
> Not you -- somebody else. Generated on board, probably, or generated
> externally, and loaded into the hardware.
> 

yes, with "you" I meen "you being an hardware maker"


> Why do you think a system designed to contain and keep a secret will contain
> a convenient backdoor? 
> 

not a backdoor, we forget to much that every system is only 1 and 0
through electricity and physical circuits. If you can make them you can
watch them (with time and monney i agree). Perhaps thinking that datas
(certs, instructions) can be "hidden" behind a physical thing is only a
dream ? I ask myself if not every cryptosystem where you must have
something "hidden" or "physically not accessible" in point of the
process is not sure ?


-- 
"Perhaps one day "computer science" will, like Yugoslavia, get broken up
into its component parts. That might be a good thing. Especially if it
meant independence for my native land, hacking."
(hackers and Painters) [ Paul Graham ]




From iang at systemics.com  Thu Jun  2 05:58:40 2005
From: iang at systemics.com (Ian G)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:58:40 +0100
Subject: "SSL stops credit card sniffing" is a correlation/causality myth
In-Reply-To: <1117708439.782.39.camel@lomin>
References: <20050531011757.6E6AE3BFFF3@berkshire.machshav.com> <200506011523.34385.iang@systemics.com> <1117708439.782.39.camel@lomin>
Message-ID: <200506021358.47434.iang@systemics.com>

On Thursday 02 June 2005 11:33, Birger Tödtmann wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 01.06.2005, 15:23 +0100 schrieb Ian G:
> [...]
>
> > For an example of the latter, look at Netcraft.  This is
> > quite serious - they are putting out a tool that totally
> > bypasses PKI/SSL in securing browsing.  Is it insecure?
> > Yes of course, and "it leaks my data like a seive" as
> > one PKI guy said.
>
> [...]
>
> What I currently fail see is the link to SSL.  Or, to its PKI model.

That's the point.  There is no link to SSL or PKI.
The only thing in common is the objective - to
protect the user when browsing.  Secure browsing
is now being offered by centralised database sans
crypto.

> Netcraft bypasses it, but I won't use Netcraft exclusively because I'm
> happy to use the crypto in SSL.  Netcraft and Trustbar are really nice
> add-ons to improve my security *with SSL*.  So where is the point?

Sure, I think it is a piece of junk, myself.  But I
am not important, I'm not an "average user."
The only thing that is important is what the user
thinks and does.

When Netcraft announced their plugin had been
ported from IE to Firefox last week, they also
revealed that they had "60,000 downloads in
hours."  That tells us a few things.

Firstly, users want protection from phishing.

Secondly, Netcraft have succeeded enough
in the IE world in creating a user base for their
solution that it easily jumped across to the
Firefox userbase and scored impressive numbers
straight away.  Which tells us that it actually
delivers something useful (which may or may
not be security).  So we cannot discount that
the centralised database concept works "well
enough" by some measure or other.

So now we wait to see which model wins in
protecting the user from spoofing.

iang
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From adam at cypherspace.org  Thu Jun  2 11:20:33 2005
From: adam at cypherspace.org (Adam Back)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:20:33 -0400
Subject: /. [Intel Adds DRM to New Chips]
In-Reply-To: <1117703131.6993.73.camel@station>
References: <20050528195352.GE3361@leitl.org>
  <1117644476.6910.181.camel@station>
  <20050601220929.GA1869@bitchcake.off.net>
  <1117703131.6993.73.camel@station>
Message-ID: <20050602182033.GA4990@bitchcake.off.net>

On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 11:05:30AM +0200, DiSToAGe wrote:
> I have read infos that say that audio and video drivers will be in the
> trusted chain. If your hardware system is used by an os (i.e. win) on
> which you can't create drivers, and only industry signed drivers can be
> used you can't bypass this by hacking drivers ...

Right.

> My though is the hardware drm can be reverse engineered ? If you use
> cert on your DRM you must put cert and private keys on your DRM chip ...

No the private key would be generated on the chip at manufacture, and
a signed certificate of it inserted by the manufacturer.

> So you can make a "soft drm" that use all the instructions of the
> reverse engineered hard drm, you but the reverse engineered private
> key, certs on your soft drm. 

It is feasible in the following way to make a soft drm.  

Step1. Get yourself a software controlled key signed by the hw
manufacturers.  Either:

1a. extract an already signed one out of the DRM hardware on your
machine by hardware hacking.

1b. find an insider at the manufacturing plant to sign a key actually
in the control of software;

1c. obtains the CA key used to do the signing (probably rather hard,
obviously they'll be trying to keep that one secure in tamper
resistant hardware with no key export function).

Step2. share the key, or setup a service to falsely authenticate
pure software DRM as hardware DRM with your key.

Now to stop you sharing this key directly or making a p2p DRM auth
server, they have to revoke the key.

I believe their revocation model is a bit weak from what I read of the
specs a while back.  They have a kind of challenge:

- to avoid criticism of privacy invasion, they have to make the thing
anonymous (or at least pseudonymous with lots of pseudonyms)

- however you can't blacklist a truly anonymous challenge-response.

(There was a protocol from Ernie Brickell with this kind of problem.)

Depending on what the final details are therefore their revocation
model might be weak.

> (so seems happy futur, something you buy and use but don't own ?)

Yes.  It is outrageous for the RIAA/MPAA and hardware companies to be
trying to foist this stuff on people.


The other way is to find a buffer overflow or such in one of these
privileged signed drivers and then you can inject code/or bypass DRM
restrictions in pure software.  They might at some point giving you
signed AND encrypted drivers so you can't even reverse-engineer them,
but I would say you have a right to know and control what is running
on your machine.

Another even more powerful buffer overflow would be one in the
supervisor / mini-OS that is hosting the Trusted Agents in ring -1.

Adam




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From jay.listo at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 03:42:22 2005
From: jay.listo at gmail.com (Jay Listo)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:42:22 +0700
Subject: SPKI Certs Usage
Message-ID: <429EE28E.3010409@gmail.com>

I've been wondering about the feasibility of using SPKI certs.  I quite 
like some of the features (delegation) and relative ease of 
implementation (compared to X.509 certs)...of course, readability of 
certs could go a long way to helping end-users evaluate for themselves 
the trustworthiness of the cert. 

While pgp certs could probably be a good alternative (given the existing 
user base and infrastructure)....even though lacking in the ability to 
delegate.

However, I'm a little wary since at the moment there seem to be just a 
few sources of info or proponents (even though their arguments seem 
convincing to me) when it comes to SPKI.

I am also not aware of any products or PKIs that use SPKI certs.  I 
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From distoage at sbbi.net  Thu Jun  2 13:44:33 2005
From: distoage at sbbi.net (DiSToAGe)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:44:33 +0200
Subject: /. [Intel Adds DRM to New Chips]
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References: <7946061.1117726448565.JavaMail.root@wamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1117745074.12892.28.camel@station>

interesting talk about economic elements ...

I believe that in every human new work (new creation, or new hack), the
men who make the work do things to help others make the work faster and
easier. So with time, if a few people can hack some drm machine, it will
be more easier and more cheaper for others to make the same thing. And
in economic with time the price of goods goes down. So in the beginning
perhaps the drm system will be good because too expensive to hack for
main people. But with price falling and methods easier to do, more
poeple will do it. And begin to share hacked files to others. So the
parallel "black market" of illegal files will rise again. So with times
people macking the drm stuff must either change it, or make it more
complexe to rise the price again ... But it seems that the time to
dismount a system is quicker than the time to change or make a new
one ... except if you make a big structural change ...

Le jeudi 02 juin 2005 ` 11:34 -0400, John Kelsey a icrit :
> Right.  This has to happen if you want the basic DRM model to work.
> The big thing to understand here is that the content protection people
> are okay with the model of the world where a relatively small number
> of pirates with a lot of capital and expertise can crack out content
> and make copies for sale.  They already live in that world, and the
> analog hole makes it genuinely impossible for them to get out of it.
> The world that they want to avoid living in is the one where the only
> capital required to become a major pirate is a PC.  
> 
> The difference here is in two parts:  When pirates have to have a lot
> of capital, they have to charge for their pirated works.  So the
> difference isn't "pay $15 for a new CD or just do download it," it's
> "pay $15 for a new CD or pay $3 for a new CD."  And then the pirate
> has to worry about getting paid, which means dealing with some kind of
> (in practice traceable) payment protocol if he wants to do business
> online.  And shutting down pirates who have $500,000 invested in their
> business actually makes some financial sense--you can spend a few
> thousand dollars shutting them down without spending yourself into
> bankruptcy.  
> 
> By contrast, the world in which every PC owner can be a pirate is much
> nastier for the content owners.  Being a pirate is so easy that the
> resulting ripped music files are made available for free, just as part
> of someone joining a P2P network or some such thing.  That means the
> user gets a decision like "Buy a CD for $15, which I will then want to
> rip so I can put it on my laptop and MP3 player anyway, or just
> download it for free."  The pirates aren't charging anything, so they
> don't have to worry about getting paid or being traced by their
> payment mechanism.  And enforcement actions against pirates in this
> world are comically inefficient--you end up spending thousands of
> dollars to shut down one 14 year old with a PC, and all the money you
> can spend doesn't really have much impact on the problem.  You're left
> trying to make examples of a few people, which makes you look like
> bullies, and which is unlikely to work all that well anyway.  
> 
> Right.  The critical issue here is whether a random user can just
> download some software to defeat the DRM.  If it costs lots of money
> to extract the DRM secrets, there's some question of whether the
> people who spent that money will release the keys into the wild for
> free.  And many schemes have at least some notion of revoking keys
> that have been released into the wild, so that your new CDs don't play
> with the hacked DRM server.  
> 
> The point of all this isn't to stop determined pirates--that's
> impossible because of the analog hole.  The point is to stop casual
> piracy.  That seems at least possibly doable to me.  (The big question
> is whether the existence of non-DRMed copies of lots of content will
> make it possible to just *ignore* the DRMed stuff.)
> 

-- 
"Perhaps one day "computer science" will, like Yugoslavia, get broken up
into its component parts. That might be a good thing. Especially if it
meant independence for my native land, hacking."
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From pgut001 at cs.auckland.ac.nz  Fri Jun  3 01:25:32 2005
From: pgut001 at cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann)
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 20:25:32 +1200
Subject: SPKI Certs Usage
In-Reply-To: <429EE28E.3010409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1De7Ui-0001qF-00@medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz>

Jay Listo <jay.listo at gmail.com> writes:

>I am also not aware of any products or PKIs that use SPKI certs.  I would
>really appreciate if someone could refer me to instances of actual usage of
>SPKI certs.

They were never really used.  The great feature of SPKI is that it's not X.509
(so it's a design fit for a purpose rather than being digital ancestor-
worship of failed OSI standards from the 1980s).  The great failing of SPKI is
that it's not X.509 (it's impossible to get any cert mechanism accepted unless
it's called X.509).

Peter.




From jay.listo at gmail.com  Fri Jun  3 07:10:38 2005
From: jay.listo at gmail.com (Jay Listo)
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:10:38 +0700
Subject: SPKI Certs Usage
In-Reply-To: <E1De7Ui-0001qF-00@medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz>
References: <E1De7Ui-0001qF-00@medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <42A064DE.7010006@gmail.com>

Thank you for such a frank response, Peter...I read someone's archived 
post that you should be  a "protected world resource" (?).  I realise I 
could have emailed you directly about this a while back, but I really 
wanted to get the opinion of other people unrelated to SPKI 
development/advocacy.

It took me a few months to find out how to get on this list (a bit of a 
convoluted process for me to finally figure out), since I thought this 
would be the best forum of informed people to get a valid response.

Seems like yours would be the definitive response...but I am kind of 
hoping for others' opinions as well.

It's a pity if SPKI is not used just because it's not X.509.


Peter Gutmann wrote:

>Jay Listo <jay.listo at gmail.com> writes:
>
>  
>
>>I am also not aware of any products or PKIs that use SPKI certs.  I would
>>really appreciate if someone could refer me to instances of actual usage of
>>SPKI certs.
>>    
>>
>
>They were never really used.  The great feature of SPKI is that it's not X.509
>(so it's a design fit for a purpose rather than being digital ancestor-
>worship of failed OSI standards from the 1980s).  The great failing of SPKI is
>that it's not X.509 (it's impossible to get any cert mechanism accepted unless
>it's called X.509).
>
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From jamesd at echeque.com  Sat Jun  4 09:08:45 2005
From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 09:08:45 -0700
Subject: What happened with the session fixation bug?
In-Reply-To: <42A17570.9070000@algroup.co.uk>
References: <4291A456.20834.19090CB@localhost>
Message-ID: <42A16F9D.14610.73F7AE6@localhost>

    --
James A. Donald wrote:
> > The way to beat session fixation is to issue a 
> > privileged and impossible to predict session ID in 
> > response to a correct login.
> >
> > If, however, you grant privileges to a session ID on 
> > the basis of a successful login, which is in fact 
> > the usual practice, you are hosed. The normal 
> > programming model creates a session ID, then sets 
> > variables and flags associated with that session ID 
> > in response to forms submitted by the user.  To 
> > prevent session fixation, you must create the 
> > session ID with unchangeable privileges from the 
> > moment of creation.

Ben Laurie wrote:
> How does your attack work?

Your business about MACS and stuff was to prevent the 
adversary guessing the users session ID.  With "session 
fixation", the adversary does not try to guess the 
legitimate users session ID, instead he fools the 
browser of the legitimate user into using the 
adversary's session ID.

Adversary accesses web site as if about to log in, gets
a session ID.  Then supplies false information to 
someone else's browser, causes that browser on some one 
else's computer to use that session ID.  Someone else 
logs in with hacker's session ID, and now the adversary
is logged in. 

    --digsig
         James A. Donald
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From ben at algroup.co.uk  Sat Jun  4 02:33:36 2005
From: ben at algroup.co.uk (Ben Laurie)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:33:36 +0100
Subject: What happened with the session fixation bug?
In-Reply-To: <4291A456.20834.19090CB@localhost>
References: <427CCA9B.29132.760A1FC@localhost> <4291A456.20834.19090CB@localhost>
Message-ID: <42A17570.9070000@algroup.co.uk>

James A. Donald wrote:
>     --
> James A. Donald:
> 
>>>PKI was designed to defeat man in the middle attacks 
>>>based on network sniffing, or DNS hijacking, which 
>>>turned out to be less of a threat than expected.
>>>
>>>However, the session fixation bugs 
>>>http://www.acros.si/papers/session_fixation.pdf make 
>>>https and PKI  worthless against such man in the 
>>>middle attacks.  Have these bugs been addressed?
> 
> 
> On 20 May 2005 at 23:21, Ben Laurie wrote:
> 
>>Do they exist? Certainly any session ID I've ever had 
>>a hand in has two properties that strongly resist 
>>session fixation:
>>
>>a) If a session ID arrives, it should already exist in 
>>the database.
>>
>>b) Session IDs include HMACs.
> 
> 
> The way to beat session fixation is to issue a 
> privileged and impossible to predict session ID in 
> response to a correct login.
> 
> If, however, you grant privileges to a session ID on the 
> basis of a successful login, which is in fact the usual 
> practice, you are hosed. The normal programming model 
> creates a session ID, then sets variables and flags 
> associated with that session ID in response to forms 
> submitted by the user.  To prevent session fixation, you 
> must create the session ID with unchangeable privileges 
> from the moment of creation.

Why? I suspect you are thinking of an attack other than session 
fixation. How does your attack work?

Cheers,

Ben.

-- 
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From distoage at sbbi.net  Mon Jun  6 07:41:50 2005
From: distoage at sbbi.net (DiSToAGe)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:41:50 +0200
Subject: Intel Adds DRM to New Chips part 2
In-Reply-To: <1117745074.12892.28.camel@station>
References: <7946061.1117726448565.JavaMail.root@wamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
  	 <1117745074.12892.28.camel@station>
Message-ID: <1118068911.6919.214.camel@station>

it seems now intel say there is no DRM in there chips.

Earlier FUD ? marketing tactic ? desire to hide truth to public as
discussed before ?

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From sunder at sunder.net  Mon Jun  6 14:46:05 2005
From: sunder at sunder.net (sunder)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:46:05 -0400
Subject: /. [Intel Adds DRM to New Chips]
In-Reply-To: <1117707969.6993.105.camel@station>
References: <20050528195352.GE3361@leitl.org> 	 
  <1117644476.6910.181.camel@station> 	 
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  <1117703131.6993.73.camel@station>  <20050602072739.GP4197@leitl.org>
  <1117707969.6993.105.camel@station>
Message-ID: <42A4C41D.8000401@sunder.net>

DiSToAGe wrote:

>not a backdoor, we forget to much that every system is only 1 and 0
>through electricity and physical circuits. If you can make them you can
>watch them (with time and monney i agree). Perhaps thinking that datas
>(certs, instructions) can be "hidden" behind a physical thing is only a
>dream ? I ask myself if not every cryptosystem where you must have
>something "hidden" or "physically not accessible" in point of the
>process is not sure ?
>
>  
>
In theory the above is absolutely correct.  In practice, it's extremely 
difficult to properly implement an accurate enough emulator, however as 
an emulator writer you have far more advantages than disadvantages 
despite the 10-100x in slowdown.  (Speaking from personal experience - 
no, nothing on the kind of scale we're talking about here.)  You can 
always have your virtual CPU decide that when it sees a certain 
instruction, to disobey it.  For example, when it sees a checksum check, 
to decide to jump around it and so forth.

Gotta love it when you can fool a program into thinking that 2+2=5 and 
that everything is still A-OK with that!  ;-)

If you can interface with real (protected) hardware, you might even be 
able to get around public key schemes with the emulator.  HP/Agilent 
made some wonderful logic analyzers, which are very useful against 
ancient hardware (think Motorola 68K chips at around 5MHz) too bad 
nothing in the GHz range is (cheaply?) available out there, but there's 
lots that can be done.

What can be done?  For example, if you have something like Palladium or 
whatever it's called these days, you an always build a machine that has 
custom RAM that can change at the flip of a switch - sort of like the 
old EEPROM emulators, but with RAM chips that can be flipped to a ROM 
instead.  You flip a switch after the DRM core has validated your BIOS 
and operating system, and at some point once the CPU cache gets drained, 
it winds up running code that it did not boot, code which you've written 
to do *OTHER* things for example - simply change the IRQ vectors to 
point to your code and you've taken over...  Mind you, all this is 
easier said that done, but it is possible to implement.

Remember, security is a chain, and each (media?) player out there is a 
link in that chain.  It only takes one broken player to wipe out your 
entire investment in that DRM pipe dream. 

Any employee with access can leak the master keys and the game is over.  
Any wily hardware hacker with plenty of time on his hands can take a 
shot at reverse engineering any (media) player to the point of cracking 
it, etc.  In the end, it's a waste of time and money for the makers of 
DRM as there's enough interest that someone somewhere will break it at 
some point in the near future. 

You can play cat and mouse games by watermarking the output with the 
serial # of the player in order to lock out cracked players, but the 
attacker only has to break more than one player (perhaps two different 
models so they get both serial # and model #) and compare the resulting 
outputs from the same movie to figure out which bits contain the 
watermarks.  XOR is very nice for figuring this out. :-)

None of this worries me, because I don't give a rats ass about copying 
movies or what not.  Couldn't care less about it.  I'll wait for the 
shit to make it to HBO, it's usually not worth watching the waste of 
Hollywood plotless overhyped crud anyway, so why worry about copying 
it?  The few titles that are worth watching, are also well worth buying, 
and after a few months they can be had for under $20, so why bother?


What is cause for worry is that it's quite _possible_ for Intel or other 
chip manufacturers to insert backdoors in their hardware which someone 
will go through the trouble of discovering, which does put everyone at 
risk.  No matter how good your operating system and firewall rules, if 
your network card (and drivers) decide to bend over upon receiving a 
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From herzbea at macs.biu.ac.il  Tue Jun  7 05:24:32 2005
From: herzbea at macs.biu.ac.il (Amir Herzberg)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:24:32 +0200
Subject: Hall of Shame of Unprotected Login Sites, and Phishing/Spoofing
Message-ID: <42A59200.5090506@macs.biu.ac.il>

Many important, sensitive login sites are not protected, making it
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http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/~herzbea/Shame.html

Examples:
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Security services: MicroSoft Passport, EquiFax, InstantSSL

All sites were warned before being added to the Hall of Shame (few
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eBay).

A related resource - a FAQ on phishing and spoofing, at
http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/~herzbea/shame/FAQ.htm
-- 
Best regards,

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From: jbzezxwyos at ekani.com (Lowell Dow)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:08:38 -0800
Subject: Objectivity is crucial SmallCap success
Message-ID: <u7dwPcv8ER208ErkDq3z@ekani.com>

U R G E N T   I N V E S T O R   A L E R T

 
ORTE STOCK EXPECTED TO EXPLODE!!!

 
Oretech is poised to make tremendous profits in the booming mining 
industry.  If you have been following the markets lately, then you know 
that mining stocks are HOT.  Oretech is a company with a unique 
opportunity to capitalize off this red hot sector!

Symbol: ORTE.PK
Current Price:      	    		$0.50
Short Term Target Price:    		$3.70   
12 month Target Price:      		$9.80
                 

C O M P A N Y   O V E R V I E W
 
Oretech, Inc. (ORTE.PK) has developed a proof of concept model that 
represents a breakthrough in ore processing technology. The process 
utilizes a proprietary high temperature technique to extract various metals 
from ore bodies that are typically highly carbonaceous.

OreTech, Inc's business model is to become a major producer of gold and 
other precious metals through the use of its proprietary technology. 
OreTech is commercializing a new, standard setting ore and minerals 
processing and environmental remediation technology, utilizing a proprietary 
high temperature technique for extraction of precious and strategic 
metals from various ore tailings, dump piles, head ore and other 
industrial feedstock such as electronic waste.

 

HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:

COLUMBUS, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 2005--Oretech, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:ORTE - News) CEO, H. Stephen Shehane, announced today that the 
company has completed the move to its new facilities. The Lab is in full 
operation and producing better than anticipated results. Shehane stated 
that initial results indicate significantly improved performance in two 
specific areas: 

a. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY: 

Toxic chemicals normally found in mine tailings are significantly 
eliminated during the Oretech's process of precious metals extraction 
(Gold/Silver/Titanium/Platinum).  The SPS (Shehane Proprietary System) 
technology can provide one of the most environmentally friendly mining 
solutions, while being extremely cost effective. 

b. REDUCED ENERGY COSTS: 

With energy costs ever increasing, the reduction in energy consumption 
utilizing SPS technology significantly lowers operating costs 
associated with precious metal extraction. 
Shehane announced that discussions are intensifying with mining 
companies with a view to licensing SPS technology particularly for mining 
operations in environmentally sensitive regions of North America.




Certain statements in this news release may contain forward-looking 
information within the meaning of Rule 175 under the Securities Act of 
1933 and Rule 3b-6 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and are 
subject to the safe harbor created by those rules. All statements, other 
than statements of fact, included in this release, including, without 
limitation, statements regarding potential future plans and objectives of 
the company, are forward-looking statements that involve risks and 
uncertainties. There can be no assurance that such statements will prove to 
be accurate and actual results and future events could differ 
materially from those anticipated in such statements. Technical complications 
that may arise could prevent the prompt implementation of any 
strategically significant plan(s) outlined above. The company cautions that these 
forward-looking statements are further qualified by other factors. The 
company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any 
statements in this release, whether as a result of new information, future 
events or otherwise.



We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $3.70
We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $9.80


We love this company!  It has great short term speculative potential as 
well as the potential for long term growth.  This is why ORTE.PK is our 
HOT PICK!

Please Watch this one Trade Wednesday!
 


 
DISCLAIMER:  
Information within this email contains "F0RWARD looking statements" 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that 
express or   involve   discussions with respect to predictions, 
expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, 
assumptions or future 
events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be 
"F0RWARD looking statements."F0RWARD looking statements are based on 
expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are 
made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause 
actual results or events to differ materially from those presently 
anticipated. F0RWARD looking statements in this action may be 
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"will,"  "anticipates,"  "estimates," "believes,"  "understands" or 
that by 
statements indicating certain actions "may," "could," or "might" occur. 
As with many micro-cap stocks, today's company has additional risk 
factors worth noting. Those factors include: a limited operating 
history, 
the company advancing cash to related parties and a shareholder on an 
unsecured basis: one vendor, a related party through a majority 
stockholder, supplies ninety-seven percent of the company's raw 
materials:  
reliance on two customers for over fifty percent of their business and 
numerous related party transactions and the need to raise capital. 
These 
factors and others are more fully spelled out in the company's SEC 
filings. We urge you to read the filings before you invest.  The ROCKET 
ST0CK 
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of 
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in the examples given.   There can be no assurance of that happening. 
Remember, as always, past performance is never indicative of future 
results and a thorough due diligence effort, including a review of a 
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discloses the receipt of twelve thousand D0LLARS from a third party 
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they 
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of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this 
is a paid advertisement and we are conflicted. All factual information 
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From: vtxyvodmopqj at fridstrom.com (vtxyvodmopqj at fridstrom.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 06:51:01 -0700
Subject: Objectivity is crucial to stock success
Message-ID: <286929954855.AGQ41846@refinery.cyonic-nemeton.com>

U R G E N T   I N V E S T O R   A L E R T

 
ORTE STOCK EXPECTED TO EXPLODE!!!

 
Oretech is poised to make tremendous profits in the booming mining 
industry.  If you have been following the markets lately, then you know 
that mining stocks are HOT.  Oretech is a company with a unique 
opportunity to capitalize off this red hot sector!

Symbol: ORTE.PK
Current Price:      	    		$0.50
Short Term Target Price:    		$3.7O   
12 month Target Price:      		$9.8O
                 

C O M P A N Y   O V E R V I E W
 
Oretech, Inc. (ORTE.PK) has developed a proof of concept model that 
represents a breakthrough in ore processing technology. The process 
utilizes a proprietary high temperature technique to extract various metals 
from ore bodies that are typically highly carbonaceous.

OreTech, Inc's business model is to become a major producer of gold and 
other precious metals through the use of its proprietary technology. 
OreTech is commercializing a new, standard setting ore and minerals 
processing and environmental remediation technology, utilizing a proprietary 
high temperature technique for extraction of precious and strategic 
metals from various ore tailings, dump piles, head ore and other 
industrial feedstock such as electronic waste.

 

HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:

COLUMBUS, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 2O05--Oretech, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:ORTE - News) CEO, H. Stephen Shehane, announced today that the 
company has completed the move to its new facilities. The Lab is in full 
operation and producing better than anticipated results. Shehane stated 
that initial results indicate significantly improved performance in two 
specific areas: 

a. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY: 

Toxic chemicals normally found in mine tailings are significantly 
eliminated during the Oretech's process of precious metals extraction 
(Gold/Silver/Titanium/Platinum).  The SPS (Shehane Proprietary System) 
technology can provide one of the most environmentally friendly mining 
solutions, while being extremely cost effective. 

b. REDUCED ENERGY COSTS: 

With energy costs ever increasing, the reduction in energy consumption 
utilizing SPS technology significantly lowers operating costs 
associated with precious metal extraction. 
Shehane announced that discussions are intensifying with mining 
companies with a view to licensing SPS technology particularly for mining 
operations in environmentally sensitive regions of North America.




Certain statements in this news release may contain forward-looking 
information within the meaning of Rule 175 under the Securities Act of 
1933 and Rule 3b-6 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and are 
subject to the safe harbor created by those rules. All statements, other 
than statements of fact, included in this release, including, without 
limitation, statements regarding potential future plans and objectives of 
the company, are forward-looking statements that involve risks and 
uncertainties. There can be no assurance that such statements will prove to 
be accurate and actual results and future events could differ 
materially from those anticipated in such statements. Technical complications 
that may arise could prevent the prompt implementation of any 
strategically significant plan(s) outlined above. The company cautions that these 
forward-looking statements are further qualified by other factors. The 
company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any 
statements in this release, whether as a result of new information, future 
events or otherwise.



We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $3.7O
We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $9.80


We love this company!  It has great short term speculative potential as 
well as the potential for long term growth.  This is why ORTE.PK is our 
HOT PICK!

Please Watch this one Trade Wednesday!
 


 
DISCLAIMER:  
Information within this email contains "FORWARD looking statements" 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that 
express or   involve   discussions with respect to predictions, 
expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, 
assumptions or future 
events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be 
"FORWARD looking statements."FORWARD looking statements are based on 
expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are 
made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause 
actual results or events to differ materially from those presently 
anticipated. FORWARD looking statements in this action may be 
identified 
through the use of words such as "projects", "foresee", "expects",  
"will,"  "anticipates,"  "estimates," "believes,"  "understands" or 
that by 
statements indicating certain actions "may," "could," or "might" occur. 
As with many micro-cap stocks, today's company has additional risk 
factors worth noting. Those factors include: a limited operating 
history, 
the company advancing cash to related parties and a shareholder on an 
unsecured basis: one vendor, a related party through a majority 
stockholder, supplies ninety-seven percent of the company's raw 
materials:  
reliance on two customers for over fifty percent of their business and 
numerous related party transactions and the need to raise capital. 
These 
factors and others are more fully spelled out in the company's SEC 
filings. We urge you to read the filings before you invest.  The ROCKET 
ST0CK 
Report does not represent that the information contained in this 
message states all material facts or does not omit a material fact 
necessary 
to make the statements therein not misleading.  All information 
provided within this email pertaining to investing, STOCKS, securities 
must be 
understood as information provided and not investment advice. The 
ROCKET ST0CK Report advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice 
from 
a registered professional securities representative before deciding to 
trade in ST0CKS featured within this email. None of the material within 
this report   shall be construed as any kind of investment advice or 
solicitation. Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. 
You 
can lose all your M0NEY by investing in this ST0CK. The publisher of 
The ROCKET ST0CK Report is not a registered investment ADVISOR. 
Subscribers should not view information herein as legal, tax, 
accounting or 
investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
are 
specially selected to be referenced based on the favorable performance 
of 
these companies. You would need perfect timing to achieve the results 
in the examples given.   There can be no assurance of that happening. 
Remember, as always, past performance is never indicative of future 
results and a thorough due diligence effort, including a review of a 
company's filings, should be completed prior to investing. In 
compliance 
with the Securities Act of 1933, Section 17(b), The ROCKET ST0CK Report 
discloses the receipt of twelve thousand DOLLARS from a third party 
(GEM,Inc.), not an officer, director or affiliate  shareholder  for  
the 
circulation  of  this report. GEM, Inc. has a position in the STOCK 
they 
will sell at any time without notice.  Be aware of an inherent conflict 
of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this 
is a paid advertisement and we are conflicted. All factual information 
in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not 
limited to Company Websites, SEC Filings and Company Press Releases. 
The 
ROCKET ST0CK Report believes this information to be reliable but can 
make 
no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material 
within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms.

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From jxjpfjhbykqojl at fiberplex.com  Wed Jun  8 05:50:15 2005
From: jxjpfjhbykqojl at fiberplex.com (Liliana Good)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:50:15 +0100
Subject: [Auto-Reply]   The stock Trading Gunslinger
Message-ID: <362699171590.WPN86031@institution.carvalho.com>

U R G E N T   I N V E S T O R   A L E R T

 
ORTE STOCK EXPECTED TO EXPLODE!!!

 
Oretech is poised to make tremendous profits in the booming mining 
industry.  If you have been fol|owing the markets |ate|y, then you know 
that mining stocks are HOT.  Oretech is a company with a unique 
opportunity to capita|ize off this red hot sector!

Symbol: ORTE.PK
Current Price:      	    		$0.50
Short Term Target Price:    		$3.70   
12 month Target Price:      		$9.80
                 

C O M P A N Y   O V E R V I E W
 
Oretech, Inc. (ORTE.PK) has deve|oped a proof of concept model that 
represents a breakthrough in ore processing techno|ogy. The process 
uti|izes a proprietary high temperature technique to extract various meta|s 
from ore bodies that are typical|y high|y carbonaceous.

OreTech, Inc's business mode| is to become a major producer of go|d and 
other precious meta|s through the use of its proprietary techno|ogy. 
OreTech is commercializing a new, standard setting ore and minera|s 
processing and environmenta| remediation techno|ogy, uti|izing a proprietary 
high temperature technique for extraction of precious and strategic 
metals from various ore tai|ings, dump piles, head ore and other 
industria| feedstock such as e|ectronic waste.

 

HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:

COLUMBUS, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 20O5--Oretech, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:ORTE - News) CEO, H. Stephen Shehane, announced today that the 
company has completed the move to its new faci|ities. The Lab is in fu|| 
operation and producing better than anticipated resu|ts. Shehane stated 
that initial resu|ts indicate significantly improved performance in two 
specific areas: 

a. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY: 

Toxic chemica|s normally found in mine tai|ings are significant|y 
eliminated during the Oretech's process of precious meta|s extraction 
(Go|d/Silver/Titanium/P|atinum).  The SPS (Shehane Proprietary System) 
technology can provide one of the most environmental|y friend|y mining 
so|utions, whi|e being extreme|y cost effective. 

b. REDUCED ENERGY COSTS: 

With energy costs ever increasing, the reduction in energy consumption 
uti|izing SPS techno|ogy significant|y lowers operating costs 
associated with precious metal extraction. 
Shehane announced that discussions are intensifying with mining 
companies with a view to licensing SPS techno|ogy particular|y for mining 
operations in environmenta|ly sensitive regions of North America.




Certain statements in this news re|ease may contain forward-|ooking 
information within the meaning of Ru|e 175 under the Securities Act of 
1933 and Rule 3b-6 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and are 
subject to the safe harbor created by those rules. Al| statements, other 
than statements of fact, included in this re|ease, including, without 
limitation, statements regarding potential future p|ans and objectives of 
the company, are forward-looking statements that involve risks and 
uncertainties. There can be no assurance that such statements wil| prove to 
be accurate and actual results and future events could differ 
materia||y from those anticipated in such statements. Technical complications 
that may arise cou|d prevent the prompt imp|ementation of any 
strategica||y significant p|an(s) outlined above. The company cautions that these 
forward-|ooking statements are further qua|ified by other factors. The 
company undertakes no obligation to public|y update or revise any 
statements in this release, whether as a resu|t of new information, future 
events or otherwise.



We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $3.70
We Be|ieve the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $9.8O


We love this company!  It has great short term speculative potential as 
well as the potential for long term growth.  This is why ORTE.PK is our 
HOT PICK!

Please Watch this one Trade Wednesday!
 


 
DISCLAIMER:  
Information within this emai| contains "FORWARD looking statements" 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that 
express or   invo|ve   discussions with respect to predictions, 
expectations, be|iefs, p|ans, projections, objectives, goa|s, 
assumptions or future 
events or performance are not statements of historica| fact and may be 
"FORWARD looking statements."FORWARD looking statements are based on 
expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are 
made that invo|ve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause 
actual results or events to differ materially from those presently 
anticipated. F0RWARD looking statements in this action may be 
identified 
through the use of words such as "projects", "foresee", "expects",  
"wi|l,"  "anticipates,"  "estimates," "believes,"  "understands" or 
that by 
statements indicating certain actions "may," "could," or "might" occur. 
As with many micro-cap stocks, today's company has additiona| risk 
factors worth noting. Those factors include: a |imited operating 
history, 
the company advancing cash to related parties and a shareho|der on an 
unsecured basis: one vendor, a re|ated party through a majority 
stockholder, supplies ninety-seven percent of the company's raw 
materia|s:  
re|iance on two customers for over fifty percent of their business and 
numerous re|ated party transactions and the need to raise capita|. 
These 
factors and others are more fu|ly spelled out in the company's SEC 
fi|ings. We urge you to read the fi|ings before you invest.  The ROCKET 
STOCK 
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From jwtyivp at fitnesswise.net  Wed Jun  8 07:37:00 2005
From: jwtyivp at fitnesswise.net (Dawn Paulson)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:37:00 +0200
Subject: Rumors that are profitable
In-Reply-To: <004e89e399l0$y8aa4314$36c05064@q0pzzt5q1p7et3>
Message-ID: <340017377445.CBZ74812@banach.dominionaccounting.com>

U R G E N T   I N V E S T O R   A L E R T

 
ORTE STOCK EXPECTED TO EXPLODE!!!

 
Oretech is poised to make tremendous profits in the booming mining 
industry.  If you have been following the markets lately, then you know 
that mining stocks are HOT.  Oretech is a company with a unique 
opportunity to capitalize off this red hot sector!

Symbol: ORTE.PK
Current Price:      	    		$0.50
Short Term Target Price:    		$3.70   
12 month Target Price:      		$9.8O
                 

C O M P A N Y   O V E R V I E W
 
Oretech, Inc. (ORTE.PK) has developed a proof of concept model that 
represents a breakthrough in ore processing technology. The process 
utilizes a proprietary high temperature technique to extract various metals 
from ore bodies that are typically highly carbonaceous.

OreTech, Inc's business model is to become a major producer of gold and 
other precious metals through the use of its proprietary technology. 
OreTech is commercializing a new, standard setting ore and minerals 
processing and environmental remediation technology, utilizing a proprietary 
high temperature technique for extraction of precious and strategic 
metals from various ore tailings, dump piles, head ore and other 
industrial feedstock such as electronic waste.

 

HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:

COLUMBUS, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 2O05--Oretech, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:ORTE - News) CEO, H. Stephen Shehane, announced today that the 
company has completed the move to its new facilities. The Lab is in full 
operation and producing better than anticipated results. Shehane stated 
that initial results indicate significantly improved performance in two 
specific areas: 

a. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY: 

Toxic chemicals normally found in mine tailings are significantly 
eliminated during the Oretech's process of precious metals extraction 
(Gold/Silver/Titanium/Platinum).  The SPS (Shehane Proprietary System) 
technology can provide one of the most environmentally friendly mining 
solutions, while being extremely cost effective. 

b. REDUCED ENERGY COSTS: 

With energy costs ever increasing, the reduction in energy consumption 
utilizing SPS technology significantly lowers operating costs 
associated with precious metal extraction. 
Shehane announced that discussions are intensifying with mining 
companies with a view to licensing SPS technology particularly for mining 
operations in environmentally sensitive regions of North America.




Certain statements in this news release may contain forward-looking 
information within the meaning of Rule 175 under the Securities Act of 
1933 and Rule 3b-6 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and are 
subject to the safe harbor created by those rules. All statements, other 
than statements of fact, included in this release, including, without 
limitation, statements regarding potential future plans and objectives of 
the company, are forward-looking statements that involve risks and 
uncertainties. There can be no assurance that such statements will prove to 
be accurate and actual results and future events could differ 
materially from those anticipated in such statements. Technical complications 
that may arise could prevent the prompt implementation of any 
strategically significant plan(s) outlined above. The company cautions that these 
forward-looking statements are further qualified by other factors. The 
company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any 
statements in this release, whether as a result of new information, future 
events or otherwise.



We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $3.70
We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $9.8O


We love this company!  It has great short term speculative potential as 
well as the potential for long term growth.  This is why ORTE.PK is our 
HOT PICK!

Please Watch this one Trade Wednesday!
 


 
DISCLAIMER:  
Information within this email contains "FORWARD looking statements" 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that 
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expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, 
assumptions or future 
events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be 
"F0RWARD looking statements."FORWARD looking statements are based on 
expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are 
made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause 
actual results or events to differ materially from those presently 
anticipated. FORWARD looking statements in this action may be 
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"will,"  "anticipates,"  "estimates," "believes,"  "understands" or 
that by 
statements indicating certain actions "may," "could," or "might" occur. 
As with many micro-cap stocks, today's company has additional risk 
factors worth noting. Those factors include: a limited operating 
history, 
the company advancing cash to related parties and a shareholder on an 
unsecured basis: one vendor, a related party through a majority 
stockholder, supplies ninety-seven percent of the company's raw 
materials:  
reliance on two customers for over fifty percent of their business and 
numerous related party transactions and the need to raise capital. 
These 
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You 
can lose all your MONEY by investing in this ST0CK. The publisher of 
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Subscribers should not view information herein as legal, tax, 
accounting or 
investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
are 
specially selected to be referenced based on the favorable performance 
of 
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in the examples given.   There can be no assurance of that happening. 
Remember, as always, past performance is never indicative of future 
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company's filings, should be completed prior to investing. In 
compliance 
with the Securities Act of 1933, Section 17(b), The ROCKET STOCK Report 
discloses the receipt of twelve thousand D0LLARS from a third party 
(GEM,Inc.), not an officer, director or affiliate  shareholder  for  
the 
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they 
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From dsmkwpk at expocharger.com  Wed Jun  8 12:29:08 2005
From: dsmkwpk at expocharger.com (Annmarie Anderson)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 23:29:08 +0400
Subject: Real-time Alert
Message-ID: <932488960667.DBN68832@pet.cdslv.com>

U R G E N T   I N V E S T O R   A L E R T

 
ORTE STOCK EXPECTED TO EXPLODE!!!

 
Oretech is poised to make tremendous profits in the booming mining 
industry.  If you have been following the markets lately, then you know 
that mining stocks are HOT.  Oretech is a company with a unique 
opportunity to capita|ize off this red hot sector!

Symbol: ORTE.PK
Current Price:      	    		$O.50
Short Term Target Price:    		$3.7O   
12 month Target Price:      		$9.8O
                 

C O M P A N Y   O V E R V I E W
 
Oretech, Inc. (ORTE.PK) has developed a proof of concept model that 
represents a breakthrough in ore processing technology. The process 
utilizes a proprietary high temperature technique to extract various metals 
from ore bodies that are typica||y high|y carbonaceous.

OreTech, Inc's business model is to become a major producer of gold and 
other precious meta|s through the use of its proprietary techno|ogy. 
OreTech is commercializing a new, standard setting ore and minera|s 
processing and environmental remediation techno|ogy, uti|izing a proprietary 
high temperature technique for extraction of precious and strategic 
metals from various ore tailings, dump pi|es, head ore and other 
industrial feedstock such as e|ectronic waste.

 

HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:

COLUMBUS, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 2005--Oretech, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:ORTE - News) CEO, H. Stephen Shehane, announced today that the 
company has completed the move to its new faci|ities. The Lab is in ful| 
operation and producing better than anticipated resu|ts. Shehane stated 
that initia| resu|ts indicate significantly improved performance in two 
specific areas: 

a. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY: 

Toxic chemica|s norma|ly found in mine tailings are significant|y 
eliminated during the Oretech's process of precious meta|s extraction 
(Go|d/Silver/Titanium/Platinum).  The SPS (Shehane Proprietary System) 
techno|ogy can provide one of the most environmental|y friend|y mining 
so|utions, whi|e being extremely cost effective. 

b. REDUCED ENERGY COSTS: 

With energy costs ever increasing, the reduction in energy consumption 
utilizing SPS techno|ogy significantly |owers operating costs 
associated with precious meta| extraction. 
Shehane announced that discussions are intensifying with mining 
companies with a view to licensing SPS techno|ogy particularly for mining 
operations in environmenta|ly sensitive regions of North America.




Certain statements in this news re|ease may contain forward-looking 
information within the meaning of Ru|e 175 under the Securities Act of 
1933 and Ru|e 3b-6 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and are 
subject to the safe harbor created by those rules. Al| statements, other 
than statements of fact, included in this re|ease, including, without 
|imitation, statements regarding potentia| future p|ans and objectives of 
the company, are forward-|ooking statements that involve risks and 
uncertainties. There can be no assurance that such statements wi|l prove to 
be accurate and actual results and future events could differ 
material|y from those anticipated in such statements. Technica| complications 
that may arise could prevent the prompt imp|ementation of any 
strategica||y significant p|an(s) outlined above. The company cautions that these 
forward-looking statements are further qua|ified by other factors. The 
company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any 
statements in this re|ease, whether as a result of new information, future 
events or otherwise.



We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $3.7O
We Be|ieve the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $9.8O


We love this company!  It has great short term speculative potentia| as 
we|l as the potentia| for long term growth.  This is why ORTE.PK is our 
HOT PICK!

P|ease Watch this one Trade Wednesday!
 


 
DISCLAIMER:  
Information within this email contains "F0RWARD looking statements" 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that 
express or   involve   discussions with respect to predictions, 
expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, 
assumptions or future 
events or performance are not statements of historica| fact and may be 
"F0RWARD |ooking statements."F0RWARD looking statements are based on 
expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are 
made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which cou|d cause 
actual resu|ts or events to differ materia|ly from those present|y 
anticipated. FORWARD |ooking statements in this action may be 
identified 
through the use of words such as "projects", "foresee", "expects",  
"wi||,"  "anticipates,"  "estimates," "be|ieves,"  "understands" or 
that by 
statements indicating certain actions "may," "cou|d," or "might" occur. 
As with many micro-cap stocks, today's company has additiona| risk 
factors worth noting. Those factors inc|ude: a |imited operating 
history, 
the company advancing cash to re|ated parties and a shareholder on an 
unsecured basis: one vendor, a re|ated party through a majority 
stockho|der, supplies ninety-seven percent of the company's raw 
materials:  
reliance on two customers for over fifty percent of their business and 
numerous related party transactions and the need to raise capital. 
These 
factors and others are more fu||y spelled out in the company's SEC 
filings. We urge you to read the fi|ings before you invest.  The ROCKET 
ST0CK 
Report does not represent that the information contained in this 
message states all materia| facts or does not omit a material fact 
necessary 
to make the statements therein not mis|eading.  All information 
provided within this email pertaining to investing, ST0CKS, securities 
must be 
understood as information provided and not investment advice. The 
ROCKET STOCK Report advises a|l readers and subscribers to seek advice 
from 
a registered professional securities representative before deciding to 
trade in STOCKS featured within this email. None of the materia| within 
this report   shal| be construed as any kind of investment advice or 
so|icitation. Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. 
You 
can |ose all your MONEY by investing in this STOCK. The pub|isher of 
The ROCKET ST0CK Report is not a registered investment ADVISOR. 
Subscribers should not view information herein as |egal, tax, 
accounting or 
investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
are 
specially se|ected to be referenced based on the favorab|e performance 
of 
these companies. You wou|d need perfect timing to achieve the resu|ts 
in the examples given.   There can be no assurance of that happening. 
Remember, as always, past performance is never indicative of future 
resu|ts and a thorough due di|igence effort, including a review of a 
company's filings, should be completed prior to investing. In 
comp|iance 
with the Securities Act of 1933, Section 17(b), The ROCKET ST0CK Report 
disc|oses the receipt of twelve thousand D0LLARS from a third party 
(GEM,Inc.), not an officer, director or affi|iate  shareholder  for  
the 
circulation  of  this report. GEM, Inc. has a position in the ST0CK 
they 
will se|l at any time without notice.  Be aware of an inherent conflict 
of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this 
is a paid advertisement and we are conf|icted. A|| factua| information 
in this report was gathered from public sources, inc|uding but not 
limited to Company Websites, SEC Fi|ings and Company Press Re|eases. 
The 
ROCKET STOCK Report believes this information to be re|iab|e but can 
make 
no guarantee as to its accuracy or comp|eteness. Use of the material 
within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms.

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From hcchppzvabcab at didriksson.com  Thu Jun  9 03:44:48 2005
From: hcchppzvabcab at didriksson.com (Errol Pratt)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 07:44:48 -0300
Subject: Real-time Alert
Message-ID: <701917903183.RIG45715@old.davidho.com>

ROCKET ST0CKS NEWSLETTER

First we would like to say Thank You to all of our avid readers!  We 
have had HUGE success over the last few months and have become one of the 
most wide|y read investment news|etters in the world.  We have 
accomp|ished this by providing time|y, accurate information on st0cks with the 
potentia| for great returns.

Rocket st0cks is not your father's investment news|etter!  We focus on 
stOcks with the potentia| to go up in va|ue by we|l over 5O0%.  That's 
what it takes to make it on to our |ist.  These are st0cks for the risk 
tolerant investor!  The beauty of this is that it on|y takes one smart 
investment to make serious profits!

Investors, |et's MAKE MONEY!  Here's our next HOT PICK!

 
New Developments Expected To Move Oretech, Inc. stOck
>From $ O.50 To Over $ 5.OO


Symbol: ORTE.PK
Current Price:      	    		$O.50
Short Term Target Price:    		$5.10   
12 month Target Price:      		$9.80

www. oretech.net



Oretech is poised to make huge profits in the booming mining industry.  
If you have been following the markets |ately, then you know that 
mining st0cks are HOT.  Oretech is a company with a unique opportunity to 
capitalize off this red hot sector! 

The company has deve|oped and tested their ore processing techno|ogy 
that uti|izes a proprietary high temperature technique to extract 
specific minerals (gold and si|ver) from ore bodies. Unlike conventiona| 
processes ORTE does NOT use harmful chemica|s, discharge po||uted water or 
environmenta||y unsafe gases. The process is environment friendly, cost 
effective and produces higher yields of recovered materials.
                 


***TOP REASONS TO CONSIDER ORTE***


* ENVIRONMENTAL CLEAN UP � This sector wou|d pay ORTE to c|ean up old 
mining waste tailing piles that are leaching poisons into surrounding 
ground water. Revenues are enhanced by sel|ing recovered precious meta|s. 

* EXTRACT 1OO% OF THE CRUDE OIL FROM TAR SANDS � Tests demonstrate ORTE 
producing TWICE the yie|ds of conventional methods. This app|ication 
has significant potentia| that wou|d produce new immense investment 
interest in ORTE st0ck.

* ORTE CAN RAPIDLY GENERATE REVENUES and corporate growth by |icensing 
their techno|ogy to equipment manufacturers, mining companies, oi| 
companies and Joint Venture partners. This would give ORTE upfront revenues 
and roya|ty income, industry and investment attention and favorab|e 
news.

* RECENTLY DISCOVERED OPPORTUNITY � ORTE has deve|oped, tested and 
proven the effectiveness of their technology. Companies dealing in mining 
and oil recovery, tailings waste cleanup, and environmenta| c|ean up 
know about ORTE and the effectiveness of their breakthrough process. The 
company is now set to go into a stage of explosive business expansion. 
This shou|d generate the type of Wa|| Street investment attention that 
would quick|y drive share prices upward.

Oretech is set to produce some BIG NEWS on new business and technology 
|icensing Joint Ventures that cou|d send share prices soaring.


 
HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:


COLUMBUS, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 20O5--Oretech, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:ORTE - News) CEO, H. Stephen Shehane, announced today that the 
company has completed the move to its new facilities. The Lab is in ful| 
operation and producing better than anticipated resu|ts. Shehane stated 
that initia| resu|ts indicate significantly improved performance in two 
specific areas: 

a. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY: 

Toxic chemica|s normally found in mine tailings are significantly 
eliminated during the Oretech's process of precious metals extraction 
(Gold/Si|ver/Titanium/Platinum).  The SPS (Shehane Proprietary System) 
techno|ogy can provide one of the most environmenta||y friendly mining 
so|utions, whi|e being extreme|y cost effective. 

b. REDUCED ENERGY COSTS: 

With energy costs ever increasing, the reduction in energy consumption 
uti|izing SPS techno|ogy significant|y |owers operating costs 
associated with precious meta| extraction. 
Shehane announced that discussions are intensifying with mining 
companies with a view to |icensing SPS technology particu|ar|y for mining 
operations in environmenta|ly sensitive regions of North America.



We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $5.10
We Be|ieve the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $9.8O



We |ove this company!  It has great short term speculative potentia| as 
we|l as |ong term growth  potentia|.  This is why ORTE.PK is our HOT 
PICK!


P|ease Watch this one trade Thursday!
 


 
DISCLAIMER:  
Information within this email contains "FORWARD looking statements" 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that 
express or   invo|ve   discussions with respect to predictions, 
expectations, be|iefs, plans, projections, objectives, goa|s, 
assumptions or future 
events or performance are not statements of historica| fact and may be 
"FORWARD |ooking statements."F0RWARD |ooking statements are based on 
expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are 
made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which cou|d cause 
actua| results or events to differ material|y from those present|y 
anticipated. FORWARD |ooking statements in this action may be 
identified 
through the use of words such as "projects", "foresee", "expects",  
"wi||,"  "anticipates,"  "estimates," "believes,"  "understands" or 
that by 
statements indicating certain actions "may," "could," or "might" occur. 
As with many micro-cap st0cks, today's company has additional risk 
factors worth noting. Those factors include: a limited operating 
history, 
the company advancing cash to re|ated parties and a shareho|der on an 
unsecured basis: one vendor, a re|ated party through a majority 
stOckholder, supplies ninety-seven percent of the company's raw 
materia|s:  
re|iance on two customers for over fifty percent of their business and 
numerous re|ated party transactions and the need to raise capita|. 
These 
factors and others are more fu||y spe||ed out in the company's SEC 
filings. We urge you to read the filings before you invest.  The ROCKET 
STOCK 
Report does not represent that the information contained in this 
message states all material facts or does not omit a material fact 
necessary 
to make the statements therein not misleading.  All information 
provided within this email pertaining to investing, ST0CKS, securities 
must be 
understood as information provided and not investment advice. The 
ROCKET STOCK Report advises al| readers and subscribers to seek advice 
from 
a registered professional securities representative before deciding to 
trade in ST0CKS featured within this emai|. None of the materia| within 
this report   shall be construed as any kind of investment advice or 
solicitation. Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. 
You 
can lose al| your MONEY by investing in this ST0CK. The publisher of 
The ROCKET ST0CK Report is not a registered investment ADVIS0R. 
Subscribers should not view information herein as legal, tax, 
accounting or 
investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
are 
specia||y selected to be referenced based on the favorable performance 
of 
these companies. You wou|d need perfect timing to achieve the results 
in the examp|es given.   There can be no assurance of that happening. 
Remember, as always, past performance is never indicative of future 
resu|ts and a thorough due diligence effort, inc|uding a review of a 
company's filings, shou|d be completed prior to investing. In 
comp|iance 
with the Securities Act of 1933, Section 17(b), The ROCKET STOCK Report 
discloses the receipt of twe|ve thousand D0LLARS from a third party 
(GEM,Inc.), not an officer, director or affiliate  shareho|der  for  
the 
circulation  of  this report. GEM, Inc. has a position in the STOCK 
they 
wi|| sell at any time without notice.  Be aware of an inherent conflict 
of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this 
is a paid advertisement and we are conflicted. Al| factual information 
in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not 
limited to Company Websites, SEC Filings and Company Press Re|eases. 
The 
ROCKET ST0CK Report believes this information to be reliab|e but can 
make 
no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material 
within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms.

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From lprnpgjs at cepmobil.com  Thu Jun  9 01:20:34 2005
From: lprnpgjs at cepmobil.com (Bruno Evans)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:20:34 +0600
Subject: Real-time trading alert!!
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First we would |ike to say Thank You to a|| of our avid readers!  We 
have had HUGE success over the last few months and have become one of the 
most widely read investment newsletters in the world.  We have 
accomplished this by providing timely, accurate information on st0cks with the 
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Investors, let's MAKE MONEY!  Here's our next HOT PICK!

 
New Deve|opments Expected To Move Oretech, Inc. stOck
>From $ 0.5O To Over $ 5.OO


Symbol: ORTE.PK
Current Price:      	    		$O.50
Short Term Target Price:    		$5.10   
12 month Target Price:      		$9.80

www. oretech.net



Oretech is poised to make huge profits in the booming mining industry.  
If you have been fol|owing the markets |ate|y, then you know that 
mining stOcks are HOT.  Oretech is a company with a unique opportunity to 
capitalize off this red hot sector! 

The company has developed and tested their ore processing techno|ogy 
that uti|izes a proprietary high temperature technique to extract 
specific minerals (gold and si|ver) from ore bodies. Un|ike conventional 
processes ORTE does NOT use harmful chemica|s, discharge polluted water or 
environmenta||y unsafe gases. The process is environment friend|y, cost 
effective and produces higher yie|ds of recovered materials.
                 


***TOP REASONS TO CONSIDER ORTE***


* ENVIRONMENTAL CLEAN UP � This sector would pay ORTE to clean up o|d 
mining waste tailing pi|es that are |eaching poisons into surrounding 
ground water. Revenues are enhanced by se|ling recovered precious meta|s. 

* EXTRACT 1O0% OF THE CRUDE OIL FROM TAR SANDS � Tests demonstrate ORTE 
producing TWICE the yie|ds of conventional methods. This app|ication 
has significant potentia| that wou|d produce new immense investment 
interest in ORTE st0ck.

* ORTE CAN RAPIDLY GENERATE REVENUES and corporate growth by licensing 
their technology to equipment manufacturers, mining companies, oil 
companies and Joint Venture partners. This wou|d give ORTE upfront revenues 
and royalty income, industry and investment attention and favorab|e 
news.

* RECENTLY DISCOVERED OPPORTUNITY � ORTE has deve|oped, tested and 
proven the effectiveness of their technology. Companies dealing in mining 
and oi| recovery, tailings waste c|eanup, and environmenta| c|ean up 
know about ORTE and the effectiveness of their breakthrough process. The 
company is now set to go into a stage of explosive business expansion. 
This shou|d generate the type of Wa|l Street investment attention that 
would quick|y drive share prices upward.

Oretech is set to produce some BIG NEWS on new business and techno|ogy 
|icensing Joint Ventures that could send share prices soaring.


 
HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:


COLUMBUS, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 20O5--Oretech, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:ORTE - News) CEO, H. Stephen Shehane, announced today that the 
company has comp|eted the move to its new faci|ities. The Lab is in fu|| 
operation and producing better than anticipated results. Shehane stated 
that initial resu|ts indicate significant|y improved performance in two 
specific areas: 

a. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY: 

Toxic chemica|s norma|ly found in mine tailings are significant|y 
e|iminated during the Oretech's process of precious meta|s extraction 
(Go|d/Si|ver/Titanium/P|atinum).  The SPS (Shehane Proprietary System) 
technology can provide one of the most environmenta||y friend|y mining 
so|utions, while being extreme|y cost effective. 

b. REDUCED ENERGY COSTS: 

With energy costs ever increasing, the reduction in energy consumption 
utilizing SPS technology significantly lowers operating costs 
associated with precious metal extraction. 
Shehane announced that discussions are intensifying with mining 
companies with a view to licensing SPS techno|ogy particu|arly for mining 
operations in environmenta||y sensitive regions of North America.



We Be|ieve the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $5.10
We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $9.8O



We love this company!  It has great short term specu|ative potential as 
well as |ong term growth  potentia|.  This is why ORTE.PK is our HOT 
PICK!


Please Watch this one trade Thursday!
 


 
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From: pgut001 at cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:37:13 +1200
Subject: Intel Adds DRM to New Chips part 2
In-Reply-To: <1118068911.6919.214.camel@station>
Message-ID: <E1DgJTN-0001i6-00@medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz>

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From pgut001 at cs.auckland.ac.nz  Thu Jun  9 03:13:10 2005
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From: ymfxiumweewvue at co.halifax.va.us (Stanley Swift)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:17:22 -0500
Subject: Thoughtful Investors should read this
Message-ID: <591980474041.DUB53966@drawl.dedeaux.com>

ROCKET ST0CKS NEWSLETTER

First we would like to say Thank You to all of our avid readers!  We 
have had HUGE success over the last few months and have become one of the 
most widely read investment newsletters in the world.  We have 
accomplished this by providing timely, accurate information on stOcks with the 
potential for great returns.

Rocket st0cks is not your father's investment newsletter!  We focus on 
st0cks with the potential to go up in value by well over 50O%.  That's 
what it takes to make it on to our list.  These are stOcks for the risk 
tolerant investor!  The beauty of this is that it only takes one smart 
investment to make serious profits!

Investors, let's MAKE MONEY!  Here's our next HOT PICK!

 
New Developments Expected To Move Oretech, Inc. stOck
>From $ 0.50 To Over $ 5.O0


Symbol: ORTE.PK
Current Price:      	    		$0.5O
Short Term Target Price:    		$5.10   
12 month Target Price:      		$9.8O

www.oretech. net



Oretech is poised to make huge profits in the booming mining industry.  
If you have been following the markets lately, then you know that 
mining stOcks are HOT.  Oretech is a company with a unique opportunity to 
capitalize off this red hot sector! 

The company has developed and tested their ore processing technology 
that utilizes a proprietary high temperature technique to extract 
specific minerals (gold and silver) from ore bodies. Unlike conventional 
processes ORTE does NOT use harmful chemicals, discharge polluted water or 
environmentally unsafe gases. The process is environment friendly, cost 
effective and produces higher yields of recovered materials.
                 


***TOP REASONS TO CONSIDER ORTE***


* ENVIRONMENTAL CLEAN UP � This sector would pay ORTE to clean up old 
mining waste tailing piles that are leaching poisons into surrounding 
ground water. Revenues are enhanced by selling recovered precious metals. 

* EXTRACT 10O% OF THE CRUDE OIL FROM TAR SANDS � Tests demonstrate ORTE 
producing TWICE the yields of conventional methods. This application 
has significant potential that would produce new immense investment 
interest in ORTE st0ck.

* ORTE CAN RAPIDLY GENERATE REVENUES and corporate growth by licensing 
their technology to equipment manufacturers, mining companies, oil 
companies and Joint Venture partners. This would give ORTE upfront revenues 
and royalty income, industry and investment attention and favorable 
news.

* RECENTLY DISCOVERED OPPORTUNITY � ORTE has developed, tested and 
proven the effectiveness of their technology. Companies dealing in mining 
and oil recovery, tailings waste cleanup, and environmental clean up 
know about ORTE and the effectiveness of their breakthrough process. The 
company is now set to go into a stage of explosive business expansion. 
This should generate the type of Wall Street investment attention that 
would quickly drive share prices upward.

Oretech is set to produce some BIG NEWS on new business and technology 
licensing Joint Ventures that could send share prices soaring.


 
HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:


COLUMBUS, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 20O5--Oretech, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:ORTE - News) CEO, H. Stephen Shehane, announced today that the 
company has completed the move to its new facilities. The Lab is in full 
operation and producing better than anticipated results. Shehane stated 
that initial results indicate significantly improved performance in two 
specific areas: 

a. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY: 

Toxic chemicals normally found in mine tailings are significantly 
eliminated during the Oretech's process of precious metals extraction 
(Gold/Silver/Titanium/Platinum).  The SPS (Shehane Proprietary System) 
technology can provide one of the most environmentally friendly mining 
solutions, while being extremely cost effective. 

b. REDUCED ENERGY COSTS: 

With energy costs ever increasing, the reduction in energy consumption 
utilizing SPS technology significantly lowers operating costs 
associated with precious metal extraction. 
Shehane announced that discussions are intensifying with mining 
companies with a view to licensing SPS technology particularly for mining 
operations in environmentally sensitive regions of North America.



We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $5.1O
We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $9.80



We love this company!  It has great short term speculative potential as 
well as long term growth  potential.  This is why ORTE.PK is our HOT 
PICK!


Please Watch this one trade Friday!
 


 
DISCLAIMER:  
Information within this email contains "FORWARD looking statements" 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that 
express or   involve   discussions with respect to predictions, 
expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, 
assumptions or future 
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From goibvqxcydp at e3ra.com  Fri Jun 10 03:40:12 2005
From: goibvqxcydp at e3ra.com (Mel Murphy)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:40:12 +0100
Subject: stock Opportunities on Wall Street
Message-ID: <400911285807.PGY60655@somewhere.gblaw.com>

ROCKET ST0CKS NEWSLETTER

First we would like to say Thank You to all of our avid readers!  We 
have had HUGE success over the last few months and have become one of the 
most widely read investment newsletters in the world.  We have 
accomplished this by providing timely, accurate information on stOcks with the 
potential for great returns.

Rocket stOcks is not your father's investment newsletter!  We focus on 
stOcks with the potential to go up in value by well over 50O%.  That's 
what it takes to make it on to our list.  These are stOcks for the risk 
tolerant investor!  The beauty of this is that it only takes one smart 
investment to make serious profits!

Investors, let's MAKE MONEY!  Here's our next HOT PICK!

 
New Developments Expected To Move Oretech, Inc. stOck
>From $ 0.50 To Over $ 5.00


Symbol: ORTE.PK
Current Price:      	    		$0.50
Short Term Target Price:    		$5.10   
12 month Target Price:      		$9.80

www.oretech. net



Oretech is poised to make huge profits in the booming mining industry.  
If you have been following the markets lately, then you know that 
mining st0cks are HOT.  Oretech is a company with a unique opportunity to 
capitalize off this red hot sector! 

The company has developed and tested their ore processing technology 
that utilizes a proprietary high temperature technique to extract 
specific minerals (gold and silver) from ore bodies. Unlike conventional 
processes ORTE does NOT use harmful chemicals, discharge polluted water or 
environmentally unsafe gases. The process is environment friendly, cost 
effective and produces higher yields of recovered materials.
                 


***TOP REASONS TO CONSIDER ORTE***


* ENVIRONMENTAL CLEAN UP – This sector would pay ORTE to clean up old 
mining waste tailing piles that are leaching poisons into surrounding 
ground water. Revenues are enhanced by selling recovered precious metals. 

* EXTRACT 1OO% OF THE CRUDE OIL FROM TAR SANDS – Tests demonstrate ORTE 
producing TWICE the yields of conventional methods. This application 
has significant potential that would produce new immense investment 
interest in ORTE stOck.

* ORTE CAN RAPIDLY GENERATE REVENUES and corporate growth by licensing 
their technology to equipment manufacturers, mining companies, oil 
companies and Joint Venture partners. This would give ORTE upfront revenues 
and royalty income, industry and investment attention and favorable 
news.

* RECENTLY DISCOVERED OPPORTUNITY – ORTE has developed, tested and 
proven the effectiveness of their technology. Companies dealing in mining 
and oil recovery, tailings waste cleanup, and environmental clean up 
know about ORTE and the effectiveness of their breakthrough process. The 
company is now set to go into a stage of explosive business expansion. 
This should generate the type of Wall Street investment attention that 
would quickly drive share prices upward.

Oretech is set to produce some BIG NEWS on new business and technology 
licensing Joint Ventures that could send share prices soaring.


 
HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:


COLUMBUS, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 20O5--Oretech, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:ORTE - News) CEO, H. Stephen Shehane, announced today that the 
company has completed the move to its new facilities. The Lab is in full 
operation and producing better than anticipated results. Shehane stated 
that initial results indicate significantly improved performance in two 
specific areas: 

a. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY: 

Toxic chemicals normally found in mine tailings are significantly 
eliminated during the Oretech's process of precious metals extraction 
(Gold/Silver/Titanium/Platinum).  The SPS (Shehane Proprietary System) 
technology can provide one of the most environmentally friendly mining 
solutions, while being extremely cost effective. 

b. REDUCED ENERGY COSTS: 

With energy costs ever increasing, the reduction in energy consumption 
utilizing SPS technology significantly lowers operating costs 
associated with precious metal extraction. 
Shehane announced that discussions are intensifying with mining 
companies with a view to licensing SPS technology particularly for mining 
operations in environmentally sensitive regions of North America.



We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $5.1O
We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $9.8O



We love this company!  It has great short term speculative potential as 
well as long term growth  potential.  This is why ORTE.PK is our HOT 
PICK!


Please Watch this one trade Friday!
 


 
DISCLAIMER:  
Information within this email contains "FORWARD looking statements" 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that 
express or   involve   discussions with respect to predictions, 
expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, 
assumptions or future 
events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be 
"FORWARD looking statements."F0RWARD looking statements are based on 
expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are 
made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause 
actual results or events to differ materially from those presently 
anticipated. F0RWARD looking statements in this action may be 
identified 
through the use of words such as "projects", "foresee", "expects",  
"will,"  "anticipates,"  "estimates," "believes,"  "understands" or 
that by 
statements indicating certain actions "may," "could," or "might" occur. 
As with many micro-cap stOcks, today's company has additional risk 
factors worth noting. Those factors include: a limited operating 
history, 
the company advancing cash to related parties and a shareholder on an 
unsecured basis: one vendor, a related party through a majority 
stOckholder, supplies ninety-seven percent of the company's raw 
materials:  
reliance on two customers for over fifty percent of their business and 
numerous related party transactions and the need to raise capital. 
These 
factors and others are more fully spelled out in the company's SEC 
filings. We urge you to read the filings before you invest.  The ROCKET 
STOCK 
Report does not represent that the information contained in this 
message states all material facts or does not omit a material fact 
necessary 
to make the statements therein not misleading.  All information 
provided within this email pertaining to investing, ST0CKS, securities 
must be 
understood as information provided and not investment advice. The 
ROCKET STOCK Report advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice 
from 
a registered professional securities representative before deciding to 
trade in ST0CKS featured within this email. None of the material within 
this report   shall be construed as any kind of investment advice or 
solicitation. Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. 
You 
can lose all your MONEY by investing in this STOCK. The publisher of 
The ROCKET ST0CK Report is not a registered investment ADVIS0R. 
Subscribers should not view information herein as legal, tax, 
accounting or 
investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
are 
specially selected to be referenced based on the favorable performance 
of 
these companies. You would need perfect timing to achieve the results 
in the examples given.   There can be no assurance of that happening. 
Remember, as always, past performance is never indicative of future 
results and a thorough due diligence effort, including a review of a 
company's filings, should be completed prior to investing. In 
compliance 
with the Securities Act of 1933, Section 17(b), The ROCKET STOCK Report 
discloses the receipt of twelve thousand D0LLARS from a third party 
(GEM,Inc.), not an officer, director or affiliate  shareholder  for  
the 
circulation  of  this report. GEM, Inc. has a position in the ST0CK 
they 
will sell at any time without notice.  Be aware of an inherent conflict 
of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this 
is a paid advertisement and we are conflicted. All factual information 
in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not 
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From tiwwkxq at floyd.com  Fri Jun 10 05:51:53 2005
From: tiwwkxq at floyd.com (Clement Cannon)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:51:53 -0100
Subject: stocks in Play
Message-ID: <422983019791.CKT44636@salesperson.decaluwe.net>

ROCKET ST0CKS NEWSLETTER

First we would like to say Thank You to all of our avid readers!  We 
have had HUGE success over the last few months and have become one of the 
most widely read investment newsletters in the world.  We have 
accomplished this by providing timely, accurate information on st0cks with the 
potential for great returns.

Rocket st0cks is not your father's investment newsletter!  We focus on 
st0cks with the potential to go up in value by well over 50O%.  That's 
what it takes to make it on to our list.  These are st0cks for the risk 
tolerant investor!  The beauty of this is that it only takes one smart 
investment to make serious profits!

Investors, let's MAKE MONEY!  Here's our next HOT PICK!

 
New Developments Expected To Move Oretech, Inc. st0ck
>From $ O.5O To Over $ 5.00


Symbol: ORTE.PK
Current Price:      	    		$O.5O
Short Term Target Price:    		$5.10   
12 month Target Price:      		$9.80

www.oretech. net



Oretech is poised to make huge profits in the booming mining industry.  
If you have been following the markets lately, then you know that 
mining stOcks are HOT.  Oretech is a company with a unique opportunity to 
capitalize off this red hot sector! 

The company has developed and tested their ore processing technology 
that utilizes a proprietary high temperature technique to extract 
specific minerals (gold and silver) from ore bodies. Unlike conventional 
processes ORTE does NOT use harmful chemicals, discharge polluted water or 
environmentally unsafe gases. The process is environment friendly, cost 
effective and produces higher yields of recovered materials.
                 


***TOP REASONS TO CONSIDER ORTE***


* ENVIRONMENTAL CLEAN UP – This sector would pay ORTE to clean up old 
mining waste tailing piles that are leaching poisons into surrounding 
ground water. Revenues are enhanced by selling recovered precious metals. 

* EXTRACT 1O0% OF THE CRUDE OIL FROM TAR SANDS – Tests demonstrate ORTE 
producing TWICE the yields of conventional methods. This application 
has significant potential that would produce new immense investment 
interest in ORTE stOck.

* ORTE CAN RAPIDLY GENERATE REVENUES and corporate growth by licensing 
their technology to equipment manufacturers, mining companies, oil 
companies and Joint Venture partners. This would give ORTE upfront revenues 
and royalty income, industry and investment attention and favorable 
news.

* RECENTLY DISCOVERED OPPORTUNITY – ORTE has developed, tested and 
proven the effectiveness of their technology. Companies dealing in mining 
and oil recovery, tailings waste cleanup, and environmental clean up 
know about ORTE and the effectiveness of their breakthrough process. The 
company is now set to go into a stage of explosive business expansion. 
This should generate the type of Wall Street investment attention that 
would quickly drive share prices upward.

Oretech is set to produce some BIG NEWS on new business and technology 
licensing Joint Ventures that could send share prices soaring.


 
HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:


COLUMBUS, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 20O5--Oretech, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:ORTE - News) CEO, H. Stephen Shehane, announced today that the 
company has completed the move to its new facilities. The Lab is in full 
operation and producing better than anticipated results. Shehane stated 
that initial results indicate significantly improved performance in two 
specific areas: 

a. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY: 

Toxic chemicals normally found in mine tailings are significantly 
eliminated during the Oretech's process of precious metals extraction 
(Gold/Silver/Titanium/Platinum).  The SPS (Shehane Proprietary System) 
technology can provide one of the most environmentally friendly mining 
solutions, while being extremely cost effective. 

b. REDUCED ENERGY COSTS: 

With energy costs ever increasing, the reduction in energy consumption 
utilizing SPS technology significantly lowers operating costs 
associated with precious metal extraction. 
Shehane announced that discussions are intensifying with mining 
companies with a view to licensing SPS technology particularly for mining 
operations in environmentally sensitive regions of North America.



We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $5.1O
We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $9.8O



We love this company!  It has great short term speculative potential as 
well as long term growth  potential.  This is why ORTE.PK is our HOT 
PICK!


Please Watch this one trade Friday!
 


 
DISCLAIMER:  
Information within this email contains "FORWARD looking statements" 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that 
express or   involve   discussions with respect to predictions, 
expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, 
assumptions or future 
events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be 
"FORWARD looking statements."F0RWARD looking statements are based on 
expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are 
made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause 
actual results or events to differ materially from those presently 
anticipated. FORWARD looking statements in this action may be 
identified 
through the use of words such as "projects", "foresee", "expects",  
"will,"  "anticipates,"  "estimates," "believes,"  "understands" or 
that by 
statements indicating certain actions "may," "could," or "might" occur. 
As with many micro-cap stOcks, today's company has additional risk 
factors worth noting. Those factors include: a limited operating 
history, 
the company advancing cash to related parties and a shareholder on an 
unsecured basis: one vendor, a related party through a majority 
st0ckholder, supplies ninety-seven percent of the company's raw 
materials:  
reliance on two customers for over fifty percent of their business and 
numerous related party transactions and the need to raise capital. 
These 
factors and others are more fully spelled out in the company's SEC 
filings. We urge you to read the filings before you invest.  The ROCKET 
STOCK 
Report does not represent that the information contained in this 
message states all material facts or does not omit a material fact 
necessary 
to make the statements therein not misleading.  All information 
provided within this email pertaining to investing, STOCKS, securities 
must be 
understood as information provided and not investment advice. The 
ROCKET ST0CK Report advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice 
from 
a registered professional securities representative before deciding to 
trade in ST0CKS featured within this email. None of the material within 
this report   shall be construed as any kind of investment advice or 
solicitation. Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. 
You 
can lose all your MONEY by investing in this STOCK. The publisher of 
The ROCKET ST0CK Report is not a registered investment ADVIS0R. 
Subscribers should not view information herein as legal, tax, 
accounting or 
investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
are 
specially selected to be referenced based on the favorable performance 
of 
these companies. You would need perfect timing to achieve the results 
in the examples given.   There can be no assurance of that happening. 
Remember, as always, past performance is never indicative of future 
results and a thorough due diligence effort, including a review of a 
company's filings, should be completed prior to investing. In 
compliance 
with the Securities Act of 1933, Section 17(b), The ROCKET STOCK Report 
discloses the receipt of twelve thousand D0LLARS from a third party 
(GEM,Inc.), not an officer, director or affiliate  shareholder  for  
the 
circulation  of  this report. GEM, Inc. has a position in the ST0CK 
they 
will sell at any time without notice.  Be aware of an inherent conflict 
of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this 
is a paid advertisement and we are conflicted. All factual information 
in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not 
limited to Company Websites, SEC Filings and Company Press Releases. 
The 
ROCKET ST0CK Report believes this information to be reliable but can 
make 
no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material 
within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms.

If you wish to stop future mailings, please mail to 
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From sfgdnxxltbswhi at cycleinnovations.com.jfet.org  Fri Jun 10 05:16:04 2005
From: sfgdnxxltbswhi at cycleinnovations.com.jfet.org (Chuck Reaves)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:16:04 +0200
Subject: TheMicroCapJournal
Message-ID: <253294250730.RMJ70700@clockwork.dygsp.com>

ROCKET ST0CKS NEWSLETTER

First we wou|d like to say Thank You to al| of our avid readers!  We 
have had HUGE success over the last few months and have become one of the 
most wide|y read investment newsletters in the wor|d.  We have 
accomp|ished this by providing timely, accurate information on st0cks with the 
potentia| for great returns.

Rocket stOcks is not your father's investment newsletter!  We focus on 
st0cks with the potential to go up in va|ue by we|l over 50O%.  That's 
what it takes to make it on to our list.  These are stOcks for the risk 
tolerant investor!  The beauty of this is that it on|y takes one smart 
investment to make serious profits!

Investors, let's MAKE MONEY!  Here's our next HOT PICK!

 
New Deve|opments Expected To Move Oretech, Inc. stOck
>From $ O.5O To Over $ 5.OO


Symbol: ORTE.PK
Current Price:      	    		$O.5O
Short Term Target Price:    		$5.1O   
12 month Target Price:      		$9.8O

www. oretech.net



Oretech is poised to make huge profits in the booming mining industry.  
If you have been fol|owing the markets |ate|y, then you know that 
mining st0cks are HOT.  Oretech is a company with a unique opportunity to 
capita|ize off this red hot sector! 

The company has developed and tested their ore processing technology 
that utilizes a proprietary high temperature technique to extract 
specific minera|s (go|d and si|ver) from ore bodies. Unlike conventiona| 
processes ORTE does NOT use harmfu| chemica|s, discharge po||uted water or 
environmentally unsafe gases. The process is environment friend|y, cost 
effective and produces higher yie|ds of recovered materia|s.
                 


***TOP REASONS TO CONSIDER ORTE***


* ENVIRONMENTAL CLEAN UP � This sector wou|d pay ORTE to c|ean up old 
mining waste tailing piles that are |eaching poisons into surrounding 
ground water. Revenues are enhanced by sel|ing recovered precious meta|s. 

* EXTRACT 10O% OF THE CRUDE OIL FROM TAR SANDS � Tests demonstrate ORTE 
producing TWICE the yields of conventiona| methods. This application 
has significant potentia| that wou|d produce new immense investment 
interest in ORTE st0ck.

* ORTE CAN RAPIDLY GENERATE REVENUES and corporate growth by |icensing 
their techno|ogy to equipment manufacturers, mining companies, oil 
companies and Joint Venture partners. This wou|d give ORTE upfront revenues 
and roya|ty income, industry and investment attention and favorab|e 
news.

* RECENTLY DISCOVERED OPPORTUNITY � ORTE has developed, tested and 
proven the effectiveness of their technology. Companies dealing in mining 
and oi| recovery, tailings waste c|eanup, and environmenta| c|ean up 
know about ORTE and the effectiveness of their breakthrough process. The 
company is now set to go into a stage of explosive business expansion. 
This shou|d generate the type of Wall Street investment attention that 
would quickly drive share prices upward.

Oretech is set to produce some BIG NEWS on new business and technology 
licensing Joint Ventures that could send share prices soaring.


 
HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:


COLUMBUS, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 2OO5--Oretech, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:ORTE - News) CEO, H. Stephen Shehane, announced today that the 
company has comp|eted the move to its new facilities. The Lab is in fu|l 
operation and producing better than anticipated results. Shehane stated 
that initia| results indicate significantly improved performance in two 
specific areas: 

a. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY: 

Toxic chemica|s norma||y found in mine tai|ings are significant|y 
e|iminated during the Oretech's process of precious meta|s extraction 
(Go|d/Si|ver/Titanium/Platinum).  The SPS (Shehane Proprietary System) 
technology can provide one of the most environmentally friend|y mining 
solutions, while being extremely cost effective. 

b. REDUCED ENERGY COSTS: 

With energy costs ever increasing, the reduction in energy consumption 
uti|izing SPS technology significant|y lowers operating costs 
associated with precious meta| extraction. 
Shehane announced that discussions are intensifying with mining 
companies with a view to licensing SPS techno|ogy particu|arly for mining 
operations in environmental|y sensitive regions of North America.



We Be|ieve the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $5.1O
We Be|ieve the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $9.80



We |ove this company!  It has great short term speculative potentia| as 
well as long term growth  potential.  This is why ORTE.PK is our HOT 
PICK!


Please Watch this one trade friday!
 


 
DISCLAIMER:  
Information within this emai| contains "FORWARD looking statements" 
within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and 
Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that 
express or   invo|ve   discussions with respect to predictions, 
expectations, be|iefs, p|ans, projections, objectives, goa|s, 
assumptions or future 
events or performance are not statements of historica| fact and may be 
"FORWARD |ooking statements."FORWARD looking statements are based on 
expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are 
made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which cou|d cause 
actual resu|ts or events to differ material|y from those present|y 
anticipated. F0RWARD |ooking statements in this action may be 
identified 
through the use of words such as "projects", "foresee", "expects",  
"wi||,"  "anticipates,"  "estimates," "believes,"  "understands" or 
that by 
statements indicating certain actions "may," "cou|d," or "might" occur. 
As with many micro-cap stOcks, today's company has additional risk 
factors worth noting. Those factors include: a |imited operating 
history, 
the company advancing cash to related parties and a shareholder on an 
unsecured basis: one vendor, a related party through a majority 
st0ckho|der, supp|ies ninety-seven percent of the company's raw 
materials:  
reliance on two customers for over fifty percent of their business and 
numerous re|ated party transactions and the need to raise capita|. 
These 
factors and others are more ful|y spe|led out in the company's SEC 
filings. We urge you to read the fi|ings before you invest.  The ROCKET 
ST0CK 
Report does not represent that the information contained in this 
message states al| materia| facts or does not omit a material fact 
necessary 
to make the statements therein not mis|eading.  A|l information 
provided within this email pertaining to investing, ST0CKS, securities 
must be 
understood as information provided and not investment advice. The 
ROCKET ST0CK Report advises a|l readers and subscribers to seek advice 
from 
a registered professional securities representative before deciding to 
trade in STOCKS featured within this email. None of the materia| within 
this report   shal| be construed as any kind of investment advice or 
solicitation. Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. 
You 
can lose all your M0NEY by investing in this STOCK. The publisher of 
The ROCKET ST0CK Report is not a registered investment ADVISOR. 
Subscribers should not view information herein as |ega|, tax, 
accounting or 
investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
are 
specia||y selected to be referenced based on the favorab|e performance 
of 
these companies. You wou|d need perfect timing to achieve the results 
in the examp|es given.   There can be no assurance of that happening. 
Remember, as always, past performance is never indicative of future 
results and a thorough due diligence effort, inc|uding a review of a 
company's filings, should be comp|eted prior to investing. In 
comp|iance 
with the Securities Act of 1933, Section 17(b), The ROCKET STOCK Report 
disc|oses the receipt of twelve thousand D0LLARS from a third party 
(GEM,Inc.), not an officer, director or affi|iate  shareholder  for  
the 
circu|ation  of  this report. GEM, Inc. has a position in the STOCK 
they 
will sell at any time without notice.  Be aware of an inherent conf|ict 
of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this 
is a paid advertisement and we are conf|icted. A|l factual information 
in this report was gathered from pub|ic sources, inc|uding but not 
limited to Company Websites, SEC Filings and Company Press Re|eases. 
The 
ROCKET STOCK Report be|ieves this information to be re|iab|e but can 
make 
no guarantee as to its accuracy or comp|eteness. Use of the material 
within this emai| constitutes your acceptance of these terms.

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From iivqvnwpynvxgz at fernandez.net  Fri Jun 10 08:42:38 2005
From: iivqvnwpynvxgz at fernandez.net (Sharon Thorpe)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:42:38 +0500
Subject: [Auto-Reply]   Important Investors Information
Message-ID: <959458388414.TPF30831@java.fortenberry.com>

ROCKET ST0CKS NEWSLETTER

First we would like to say Thank You to a|l of our avid readers!  We 
have had HUGE success over the |ast few months and have become one of the 
most widely read investment newsletters in the world.  We have 
accomplished this by providing timely, accurate information on stOcks with the 
potential for great returns.

Rocket stOcks is not your father's investment newsletter!  We focus on 
st0cks with the potential to go up in value by we|l over 5OO%.  That's 
what it takes to make it on to our list.  These are stOcks for the risk 
to|erant investor!  The beauty of this is that it only takes one smart 
investment to make serious profits!

Investors, |et's MAKE MONEY!  Here's our next HOT PICK!

 
New Developments Expected To Move Oretech, Inc. stOck
>From $ O.50 To Over $ 5.O0


Symbo|: ORTE.PK
Current Price:      	    		$0.5O
Short Term Target Price:    		$5.10   
12 month Target Price:      		$9.8O

www. oretech.net



Oretech is poised to make huge profits in the booming mining industry.  
If you have been fol|owing the markets late|y, then you know that 
mining st0cks are HOT.  Oretech is a company with a unique opportunity to 
capitalize off this red hot sector! 

The company has deve|oped and tested their ore processing technology 
that uti|izes a proprietary high temperature technique to extract 
specific minera|s (gold and si|ver) from ore bodies. Unlike conventional 
processes ORTE does NOT use harmfu| chemicals, discharge polluted water or 
environmentally unsafe gases. The process is environment friendly, cost 
effective and produces higher yie|ds of recovered materials.
                 


***TOP REASONS TO CONSIDER ORTE***


* ENVIRONMENTAL CLEAN UP � This sector would pay ORTE to c|ean up o|d 
mining waste tailing piles that are |eaching poisons into surrounding 
ground water. Revenues are enhanced by sel|ing recovered precious meta|s. 

* EXTRACT 10O% OF THE CRUDE OIL FROM TAR SANDS � Tests demonstrate ORTE 
producing TWICE the yie|ds of conventiona| methods. This application 
has significant potentia| that wou|d produce new immense investment 
interest in ORTE st0ck.

* ORTE CAN RAPIDLY GENERATE REVENUES and corporate growth by |icensing 
their technology to equipment manufacturers, mining companies, oi| 
companies and Joint Venture partners. This wou|d give ORTE upfront revenues 
and roya|ty income, industry and investment attention and favorable 
news.

* RECENTLY DISCOVERED OPPORTUNITY � ORTE has developed, tested and 
proven the effectiveness of their technology. Companies dea|ing in mining 
and oil recovery, tai|ings waste cleanup, and environmental c|ean up 
know about ORTE and the effectiveness of their breakthrough process. The 
company is now set to go into a stage of explosive business expansion. 
This should generate the type of Wall Street investment attention that 
would quick|y drive share prices upward.

Oretech is set to produce some BIG NEWS on new business and techno|ogy 
|icensing Joint Ventures that could send share prices soaring.


 
HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:


COLUMBUS, Ga.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 20O5--Oretech, Inc. (Pink 
Sheets:ORTE - News) CEO, H. Stephen Shehane, announced today that the 
company has completed the move to its new facilities. The Lab is in fu|| 
operation and producing better than anticipated results. Shehane stated 
that initial resu|ts indicate significantly improved performance in two 
specific areas: 

a. ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY: 

Toxic chemica|s normally found in mine tailings are significant|y 
e|iminated during the Oretech's process of precious meta|s extraction 
(Gold/Si|ver/Titanium/P|atinum).  The SPS (Shehane Proprietary System) 
techno|ogy can provide one of the most environmental|y friend|y mining 
so|utions, whi|e being extreme|y cost effective. 

b. REDUCED ENERGY COSTS: 

With energy costs ever increasing, the reduction in energy consumption 
uti|izing SPS technology significant|y lowers operating costs 
associated with precious metal extraction. 
Shehane announced that discussions are intensifying with mining 
companies with a view to licensing SPS technology particu|ar|y for mining 
operations in environmental|y sensitive regions of North America.



We Be|ieve the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $5.1O
We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $9.80



We |ove this company!  It has great short term speculative potential as 
we|| as |ong term growth  potential.  This is why ORTE.PK is our HOT 
PICK!


P|ease Watch this one trade friday!
 


 
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Sat Jun 11 12:40:19 2005
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: June 11, 2005 12:40:19 PM EDT
Subject: [IP] Can't we just get some answers or facts about this?
Message-ID: <mailman.1229.1576007664.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

INTEL -- responding to continuedmis information on IP


Please remove my name or identifying information if forwarding this to
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There is a similar technology by Macrovision which appears to also be
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So does it *contain* DRM?  Well, if DRM is policy, no.  Does it
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Subject: [IP] DO READ Can't we just get some answers or facts about this?
Message-ID: <mailman.1230.1576007664.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

INTEL -- responding to continuedmis information on IP
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  OpenSSL is currently in a release cycle.  The fifth beta is now
  released.  The beta release is available for download via HTTP and
  FTP from the following master locations (the various FTP mirrors you
  can find under http://www.openssl.org/source/mirror.html):

    o http://www.openssl.org/source/
    o ftp://ftp.openssl.org/source/

  The file names of the beta are:

    o openssl-0.9.8-beta5.tar.gz
      MD5 checksum: 4b492a622ca39f0c444c3cabc330933d
      SHA1 checksum: 3524b04490491e1d1674363fac601cd4b002d471

  The checksums were calculated using the following command:

    openssl md5 < openssl-0.9.8-beta5.tar.gz
    openssl sha1 < openssl-0.9.8-beta5.tar.gz

  Please download and test them as soon as possible.  This new OpenSSL
  version incorporates 104 documented changes and bugfixes to the
  toolkit (for a complete list see http://www.openssl.org/source/exp/CHANGES
  and http://www.openssl.org/source/exp/NEWS).

  Since the fourth beta, the following has happened:

    - Changed -m486 to -march=i486 in Configure.
    - Added a new NetWare target that uses BSD sockets.
    - Propagate INSTALL_PREFIX to inner Makefiles.
    - Make it possible to read files larger than 2GB with the FILE
      BIO.
    - Enhance cipher suite parsing.
    - Other bug fixes...

  Reports and patches should be sent to openssl-bugs at openssl.org.
  Discussions around the development of OpenSSL should be sent to
  openssl-dev at openssl.org.  Anything else should go to
  openssl-users at openssl.org.

  The best way, at least on Unix, to create a report is to do the
  following after configuration:

      make report

  That will do a few basic checks of the compiler and bc, then build
  and run the tests.  The result will appear on screen and in the file
  "testlog".  Please read the report before sending it to us.  There
  may be problems that we can't solve for you, like missing programs.

  Yours,
  The OpenSSL Project Team...  

    Mark J. Cox             Nils Larsch         Ulf Möller
    Ralf S. Engelschall     Ben Laurie          Andy Polyakov
    Dr. Stephen Henson      Richard Levitte     Geoff Thorpe
    Lutz Jänicke            Bodo Möller
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From enftfhk at divewaikiki.com  Mon Jun 13 00:26:01 2005
From: enftfhk at divewaikiki.com (enftfhk at divewaikiki.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:26:01 -0100
Subject: Powerhouse st0ck Profiles
Message-ID: <334200971763.QSX59681@gastrointestinal.ernn.org.uk>

ROCKET ST0CKS NEWSLETTER

First we would like to say Thank You to all of our avid readers!  We 
have had HUGE success over the last few months and have become one of the 
most widely read investment newsletters in the world.  We have 
accomplished this by providing timely, accurate information on ST0CKS with the 
potential for great returns.

Rocket ST0CKS is not your father's investment newsletter!  We focus on 
ST0CKS with the potential to go up in value by well over 500%.  That's 
what it takes to make it on to our list.  These are ST0CKS for the risk 
tolerant investor!  The beauty of this is that it only takes one smart 
investment to make serious profits!

Investors, let's MAKE MONEY!  Here's our next HOT PICK!

 
New Developments Expected To Move Western Sierra Mining, Inc. St0ck
>From $ O.80 To Over $ 5.OO


Symbol: WSRM.PK
Current Price:      	    		$0.65
Short Term Target Price:    		$4.60   
12 month Target Price:      		$8.90

westernsierramining. com
 

All it takes is one breakthrough, one fortunate turn of events, one BIG 
contract, and the stock of a small company such as this can Explode!

Western Sierra Mining is a company on the move, fast!  Big news is out!  
Big business is afoot for WSRM!

Read on to find out why WSRM is our TOP pick this week.


***NEWS FROM THE INDUSTRY***

* Mining ST0CKS have outperformed both the S&P 5OO and the Dow Jones 
Industrial Average over the last three years.

* Profits by mining companies have doubled for the second year in a 
row.  Return on equity has increased nearly three-fold over the past two 
years

* Price Waterhouse Coopers calls for "...another bumper year for the 
global mining industry in 2O05."  They go on to say, "The sustained 
upturn in commodity prices has caught investors' attention, creating a dash 
for mining ST0CKS.  Add the unprecedented profits and free cash flows 
and we have a very buoyant industry."

For more information read, Mine - Enter the Dragon, by Price Waterhouse 
Coopers, located at   PWCglobal.com              


***TOP REASONS TO CONSIDER WSRM***


* Western Sierra Mining has a very profitable business model in which 
they avoid the highest cost associate with mining: Exploration.  
Essentially, Wester Sierra operates mines on sites that have been previously 
explored and found to be "too small" for the largest mining companies, 
yet still produce handsome profits.

* The global mining industry boom will continue for the foreseeable 
future due to the impact of China-driven demand on commodity prices and 
long supply-response lead times.

* News! News! News!  Read on to find out why we expect WSRM to take off 
this week!

 
HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:


PHOENIX--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 20O5--Western Sierra Mining (Pink 
Sheets: WSRM - News) announced today that it has signed a Letter of Intent 
with ASDI Corp. providing WSRM the right to develop the ASDI property 
located in Crescent Valley at Battle Mountain, Nev.



PHOENIX--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 1O, 20O5--Western Sierra Mining (Pink 
Sheets: WSRM - News) and OreTech Inc. (Pink Sheets: ORTE - News) 
announced today that their respective boards of directors have agreed to enter 
into an agreement to develop the Silver Plume and Pittsburg mines 
located in Colorado. 

Commenting on the proposed transaction, the president of Western Sierra 
Mining, Michael Chaffee, said, "The new alignment with OreTech will 
allow each of the companies to utilize their specific expertise to the 
maximum benefit of the other. OreTech is trying to focus on developing its 
propriety extraction technology and Western is expanding its mining 
activities in the U.S. We have started our due diligence on the property 
and look forward to taking a proposal back to OreTech by the end of the 
month. 

"We also will pursue an agreement to use the OreTech extraction 
technology at the Colorado site in the event we can assure ourselves and 
OreTech that the values exist in Colorado at a commercial level."



We cannot stress enough the significance of this news.  That a small 
company such as this would have the rights to these rich properties 
speaks volumes for their management and near-future earnings.  That they 
would be so fortunate as to be involved with an industry pioneer such as 
Oretech is nothing short of extraordinary.

These fortuitous events have made WSRM our HOT PICK of the week!

We love this company!

We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $4.60
We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $8.9O


Please Watch this one trade Monday!
 

 
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As with many micro-cap ST0CKS, today's company has additional risk 
factors worth noting. Those factors include: a limited operating 
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These 
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From prhimnzn at photonicnet.com  Mon Jun 13 02:56:55 2005
From: prhimnzn at photonicnet.com (Edith Lund)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:56:55 -0200
Subject: New Breed of St0-ck Trader
Message-ID: <313842434305.HJK75050@augustan.shepherd.com>

SmallCap BIOTECH Report
<> STEM CELL <> CRYOGENICS <> STEM CELL <>
  INVESTING IN EMERGING BIOTECH STOCKS

:: COMPANY SPOTLIGHT ::.
  Bio-Matrix Scientific Group Inc.
Driving $75 billion dollar a year Biotechnology and Medical Device 
industries is the demand for new products that improve patient 
safety, decrease healthcare cost, and most importantly enhance human 
life.

Symbol: BMXP
Trading Price:  $0.94


About Bio-Matrix Scientific Group Inc.:

Bio-Matrix Scientific Group Inc. is a San Diego based development 
stage company in the business of medical devices and monitoring 
systems research, development and commercialization. Bio-Matrix 
Scientific Group Inc. is aligning itself with partners that offer key 
technologies in biomedical device development, tissue engineering, 
cell culturing, genome therapy and drug delivery systems. Its polymer 
coating on medical devices will ensure that cell transference is done 
with minimal damage to cells. This should lead to better yields in 
stem cell extraction, along with better outcomes for patients in 
tissue management procedures.

  Recent News:       A spokesperson for the Company said that its 
Board of Directors plans to spin-off 6,035,501 shares of the common 
stock of Frezer, Inc., a wholly owned
subsidiary of Bio-Matrix Scientific Group, to BMXP shareholders of 
record as of May 31, 2OO5.
This represents one share of Frezer, Inc. for every one share of 
Bio-Matrix Scientific Group Inc. (Pink Sheets:BMXP) owned post 
reverse split.

"Ground floor" Company Enters Production Phase

Bio-Matrix Scientific Group Inc., announced that Collective 
Technologies will manufacture Bio-Matrix's first set of Stem Cell 
Devices. The Company anticipates having this set of instruments 
sometime within the next two weeks. BMXP also recently finalized 
applications for 3 new devices.

This is the first step towards full production of these devices. This 
first set of devices will be used for its 51O(k) testing, trade shows 
and presentations to Physicians and Researchers. "Collective 
Technologies enables us to manufacture products in the most efficient 
and cost-effective way possible," noted Brian Pockett, Managing 
Director and COO of Bio-Matrix Scientific. "We have been impressed by 
Collective Technologies' quality record, responsiveness and 
flexibility - all of which are critical to our production 
objectives." Bio-Matrix sees this event as nearing a point at which 
the Company "green-lights" full production of its stem cell and 
tissue management instruments.


"REAL DEAL" MANAGEMENT
Philip Watts, Ph.D., the Company's Director of Research and 
Development, highly recognized in his field.
James L. Lambert, Ph.D., as its Bio-Instrument Scientific Advisor. 
Dr. Lambert specializes in the development of next generation 
bio-instrumentation for use in medical research. Dr. Lambert has been 
with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory for 17 years, and for the last 
five years he has served as the Technical Group Supervisor of the 
Intelligent Instrument and Systems Technology Group. Dr. Lambert 
leads a multidisciplinary group whose members have advanced degrees 
in chemistry, biology, electrical engineering, and computer science. 
The charter of the group is to develop advanced in situ instruments 
and sensors for NASA and other agencies.
Geoffrey O'Neill, Ph.D.  President of the Company. Dr. O'Neill most 
recently served as Director of Stem Cell Laboratories and Scientific 
Research for Cryo-Cell International Inc. (OTC: CCEL). Cryo-Cell 
International represents themselves as the world's largest U-Cord 
stem cell banking firm. "The appointment of Dr. O'Neill as President 
of Bio-Matrix Scientific Group Inc. signals our Company's aggressive 
growth plans in stem cell research devices, biomedical devices and 
the continued growth in the development of our Stem Cell Cryogenic 
Banks," said Brian Pockett, Managing Director and COO of Bio-Matrix 
Scientific

PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT
Stem Cell Cryogenics
Instrumentation for Stem Cell Research and Tissue
Management
Non-Invasive Bio-Systems Monitoring and Measuring Devices
Niche Medical Device Instrumentation
The Company has recently filed a provisional patent application with 
the U. S. Patent Office. It anticipates numerous utility patents will 
result from this filing.

Investment Prosective:


Bio-Matrix has a four pronged revenue strategy each with a different 
trajectory and different inflection points.
The company is spreading its risk over different operating segments 
with varying investment requirement and levels of risk.
Larger companies in the medical device industry are aggressive and 
smaller companies are always takeover targets.



Potential of BMXP:

The market size of the segments it has chosen to operate in is huge. 
The tissue management instruments market size alone is $86O million.
A provisional patent application has already been filed and more are 
in the pipeline.


IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: Information within this email contains "forward 
looking statements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the 
Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act 
of 1934. Any statements that express or involve discussions with 
respect to predictions, goals, expectations, beliefs, plans, 
projections, objectives, assumptions or future events or performance 
are not statements of historical fact and may be "forward looking 
statements." Forward looking statements are based on expectations, 
estimates and projections at the time the statements are made that 
involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual 
results or events to differ materially from those presently 
anticipated. Forward looking statements in this action may be 
identified through the use of words such as: "projects", "foresee", 
"expects", "estimates," "believes," "understands" "will", 
"anticipates," or that by statements indicating certain actions 
"may," "could," or "might" occur. All information provided within 
this email pertaining to investing, stocks,securities must be 
understood as information provided and not investment advice. 
Emerging Equity Alert advises all readers and subscribers to seek 
advice from a registered professional securities representative 
before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this email. None 
of the material within this report shall be construed as any kind of 
investment advice. In compliance with Section 1  we have been 
compensated thirty thousand dollars for the dissemination of this 
profile.. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from 
such holdings due to our intent to profit from the liquidation of 
these shares. Shares may be sold at any time, even after positive 
statements have been made regarding the above company.




From bviqspf at richter-associates.com  Mon Jun 13 01:40:54 2005
From: bviqspf at richter-associates.com (Randall Vega)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:40:54 +0500
Subject: New Breed of St0-ck Trader
Message-ID: <244570287253.UJG38965@tempo.playiwa.com>

SmallCap BIOTECH Report
<> STEM CELL <> CRYOGENICS <> STEM CELL <>
  INVESTING IN EMERGING BIOTECH STOCKS

:: COMPANY SPOTLIGHT ::.
  Bio-Matrix Scientific Group Inc.
Driving $75 billion dollar a year Biotechnology and Medical Device 
industries is the demand for new products that improve patient 
safety, decrease healthcare cost, and most importantly enhance human 
life.

Symbol: BMXP
Trading Price:  $O.94


About Bio-Matrix Scientific Group Inc.:

Bio-Matrix Scientific Group Inc. is a San Diego based development 
stage company in the business of medical devices and monitoring 
systems research, development and commercialization. Bio-Matrix 
Scientific Group Inc. is aligning itself with partners that offer key 
technologies in biomedical device development, tissue engineering, 
cell culturing, genome therapy and drug delivery systems. Its polymer 
coating on medical devices will ensure that cell transference is done 
with minimal damage to cells. This should lead to better yields in 
stem cell extraction, along with better outcomes for patients in 
tissue management procedures.

  Recent News:       A spokesperson for the Company said that its 
Board of Directors plans to spin-off 6,O35,501 shares of the common 
stock of Frezer, Inc., a wholly owned
subsidiary of Bio-Matrix Scientific Group, to BMXP shareholders of 
record as of May 31, 20O5.
This represents one share of Frezer, Inc. for every one share of 
Bio-Matrix Scientific Group Inc. (Pink Sheets:BMXP) owned post 
reverse split.

"Ground floor" Company Enters Production Phase

Bio-Matrix Scientific Group Inc., announced that Collective 
Technologies will manufacture Bio-Matrix's first set of Stem Cell 
Devices. The Company anticipates having this set of instruments 
sometime within the next two weeks. BMXP also recently finalized 
applications for 3 new devices.

This is the first step towards full production of these devices. This 
first set of devices will be used for its 51O(k) testing, trade shows 
and presentations to Physicians and Researchers. "Collective 
Technologies enables us to manufacture products in the most efficient 
and cost-effective way possible," noted Brian Pockett, Managing 
Director and COO of Bio-Matrix Scientific. "We have been impressed by 
Collective Technologies' quality record, responsiveness and 
flexibility - all of which are critical to our production 
objectives." Bio-Matrix sees this event as nearing a point at which 
the Company "green-lights" full production of its stem cell and 
tissue management instruments.


"REAL DEAL" MANAGEMENT
Philip Watts, Ph.D., the Company's Director of Research and 
Development, highly recognized in his field.
James L. Lambert, Ph.D., as its Bio-Instrument Scientific Advisor. 
Dr. Lambert specializes in the development of next generation 
bio-instrumentation for use in medical research. Dr. Lambert has been 
with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory for 17 years, and for the last 
five years he has served as the Technical Group Supervisor of the 
Intelligent Instrument and Systems Technology Group. Dr. Lambert 
leads a multidisciplinary group whose members have advanced degrees 
in chemistry, biology, electrical engineering, and computer science. 
The charter of the group is to develop advanced in situ instruments 
and sensors for NASA and other agencies.
Geoffrey O'Neill, Ph.D.  President of the Company. Dr. O'Neill most 
recently served as Director of Stem Cell Laboratories and Scientific 
Research for Cryo-Cell International Inc. (OTC: CCEL). Cryo-Cell 
International represents themselves as the world's largest U-Cord 
stem cell banking firm. "The appointment of Dr. O'Neill as President 
of Bio-Matrix Scientific Group Inc. signals our Company's aggressive 
growth plans in stem cell research devices, biomedical devices and 
the continued growth in the development of our Stem Cell Cryogenic 
Banks," said Brian Pockett, Managing Director and COO of Bio-Matrix 
Scientific

PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT
Stem Cell Cryogenics
Instrumentation for Stem Cell Research and Tissue
Management
Non-Invasive Bio-Systems Monitoring and Measuring Devices
Niche Medical Device Instrumentation
The Company has recently filed a provisional patent application with 
the U. S. Patent Office. It anticipates numerous utility patents will 
result from this filing.

Investment Prosective:


Bio-Matrix has a four pronged revenue strategy each with a different 
trajectory and different inflection points.
The company is spreading its risk over different operating segments 
with varying investment requirement and levels of risk.
Larger companies in the medical device industry are aggressive and 
smaller companies are always takeover targets.



Potential of BMXP:

The market size of the segments it has chosen to operate in is huge. 
The tissue management instruments market size alone is $860 million.
A provisional patent application has already been filed and more are 
in the pipeline.


IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: Information within this email contains "forward 
looking statements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the 
Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act 
of 1934. Any statements that express or involve discussions with 
respect to predictions, goals, expectations, beliefs, plans, 
projections, objectives, assumptions or future events or performance 
are not statements of historical fact and may be "forward looking 
statements." Forward looking statements are based on expectations, 
estimates and projections at the time the statements are made that 
involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual 
results or events to differ materially from those presently 
anticipated. Forward looking statements in this action may be 
identified through the use of words such as: "projects", "foresee", 
"expects", "estimates," "believes," "understands" "will", 
"anticipates," or that by statements indicating certain actions 
"may," "could," or "might" occur. All information provided within 
this email pertaining to investing, stocks,securities must be 
understood as information provided and not investment advice. 
Emerging Equity Alert advises all readers and subscribers to seek 
advice from a registered professional securities representative 
before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this email. None 
of the material within this report shall be construed as any kind of 
investment advice. In compliance with Section 1  we have been 
compensated thirty thousand dollars for the dissemination of this 
profile.. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from 
such holdings due to our intent to profit from the liquidation of 
these shares. Shares may be sold at any time, even after positive 
statements have been made regarding the above company.




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From zrrapk at gmx.it  Tue Jun 14 04:35:53 2005
From: zrrapk at gmx.it (zrrapk at gmx.it)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 05:35:53 -0600
Subject: Are You  a Savvy Investor?
Message-ID: <320734616041.BRG48269@disrupt.duagon.com>

ROCKET ST0CKS NEWSLETTER

First we would like to say Thank You to all of our avid readers!  We 
have had HUGE success over the last few months and have become one of the 
most widely read investment newsletters in the world.  We have 
accomplished this by providing timely, accurate information on ST0CKS with the 
potential for great returns.

Rocket ST0CKS is not your father's investment newsletter!  We focus on 
ST0CKS with the potential to go up in value by well over 5OO%.  That's 
what it takes to make it on to our list.  These are ST0CKS for the risk 
tolerant investor!  The beauty of this is that it only takes one smart 
investment to make serious profits!

Investors, let's MAKE MONEY!  Here's our next HOT PICK!

 
New Developments Expected To Move Western Sierra Mining, Inc. St0ck
>From $ O.8O To Over $ 5.OO


Symbol: WSRM.PK
Current Price:      	    		$0.65
Short Term Target Price:    		$4.60   
12 month Target Price:      		$8.90

westernsierramining. com
 

All it takes is one breakthrough, one fortunate turn of events, one BIG 
contract, and the stock of a small company such as this can Explode!

Western Sierra Mining is a company on the move, fast!  Big news is out!  
Big business is afoot for WSRM!

Read on to find out why WSRM is our TOP pick this week.


***NEWS FROM THE INDUSTRY***

* Mining ST0CKS have outperformed both the S&P 500 and the Dow Jones 
Industrial Average over the last three years.

* Profits by mining companies have doubled for the second year in a 
row.  Return on equity has increased nearly three-fold over the past two 
years

* Price Waterhouse Coopers calls for "...another bumper year for the 
global mining industry in 2OO5."  They go on to say, "The sustained 
upturn in commodity prices has caught investors' attention, creating a dash 
for mining ST0CKS.  Add the unprecedented profits and free cash flows 
and we have a very buoyant industry."

For more information read, Mine - Enter the Dragon, by Price Waterhouse 
Coopers, located at   PWCglobal.com              


***TOP REASONS TO CONSIDER WSRM***


* Western Sierra Mining has a very profitable business model in which 
they avoid the highest cost associate with mining: Exploration.  
Essentially, Wester Sierra operates mines on sites that have been previously 
explored and found to be "too small" for the largest mining companies, 
yet still produce handsome profits.

* The global mining industry boom will continue for the foreseeable 
future due to the impact of China-driven demand on commodity prices and 
long supply-response lead times.

* News! News! News!  Read on to find out why we expect WSRM to take off 
this week!

 
HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:


PHOENIX--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 3, 2OO5--Western Sierra Mining (Pink 
Sheets: WSRM - News) announced today that it has signed a Letter of Intent 
with ASDI Corp. providing WSRM the right to develop the ASDI property 
located in Crescent Valley at Battle Mountain, Nev.



PHOENIX--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 10, 2005--Western Sierra Mining (Pink 
Sheets: WSRM - News) and OreTech Inc. (Pink Sheets: ORTE - News) 
announced today that their respective boards of directors have agreed to enter 
into an agreement to develop the Silver Plume and Pittsburg mines 
located in Colorado. 

Commenting on the proposed transaction, the president of Western Sierra 
Mining, Michael Chaffee, said, "The new alignment with OreTech will 
allow each of the companies to utilize their specific expertise to the 
maximum benefit of the other. OreTech is trying to focus on developing its 
propriety extraction technology and Western is expanding its mining 
activities in the U.S. We have started our due diligence on the property 
and look forward to taking a proposal back to OreTech by the end of the 
month. 

"We also will pursue an agreement to use the OreTech extraction 
technology at the Colorado site in the event we can assure ourselves and 
OreTech that the values exist in Colorado at a commercial level."



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These fortuitous events have made WSRM our HOT PICK of the week!

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From limxcnkwj at versus-we.ch  Tue Jun 14 02:28:27 2005
From: limxcnkwj at versus-we.ch (Nolan Crow)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:28:27 -0100
Subject: This st0-ck is moving quickly
Message-ID: <141344869668.OCD49407@corp.tilosshop.com>

Structure & Technology Report

May 10th, 2005 -- For immediate re|ease

Investors and traders:
Pinnacle Group Limited, Inc. (PGPU) Announces Acquisition of AEROFOAM METALS INC.
AEROFOAM METALS INC is a leading structural technology company focused on the deve|opment
& commercia|ization of foamed aluminum products and components for the world market.
In Today's market, AEROFOAM METALS INC has cutting edge technology and litt|e competition.

Symbol:         PGPU.PK  
Current Price:  0.75 
Short Term Target Price:    $2.25   
12 month Target Price:      $5.25
pinnaclegli.com 
 
 
AEROFOAM METALS INC Investment Considerations:
- Limited competition
- Commitment to R&D
- Cutting edge structural techno|ogy
aerofoammetals.com

PRESS RELEASE--May 1Oth, 2OO5--PINNACLE ACQUISITION OF AEROFOAM
The Company fo||owing extended re-negotiations with the major shareholder and management of Aerofoam
Metals Incorporated ("Aerofoam") have reached an agreement in princip|e.The parties have entered into
a binding letter of intent, whereby, Pinnac|e wi|l acquire all of the issued and outstanding shares of
Aerofoam for new Treasury Shares of Pinnacle. The number of shares to be issued to the shareholders of
Aerofoam upon this acquisition wi|| be 3,5O0,0O0 common shares. The major shareholder of Aerofoam who 
beneficia|ly owns 56% of all the issued and outstanding shares of Aerofoam has agreed to vote his shares
in favor of this acquisition.The parties hereto further agree to enter into a binding Shareho|ders Agreement
immediately and to ho|d a special shareholder meeting to ratify the acquisition within 6O days of signing 
this |etter of intent.

PINNACLE GROUP LTD Profi|e:
Pinnacle Group is a U.S. based holding company, traded on the PinkSheets.com, that searches for majority
equity positions in emerging companies. PINNACLE GROUP LTD offers ski||ed entrepreneurs, managers and CEOs the option of
achieving their goa|s as part of a |arger organization.The company  provides capital and management
assistance to ventures that have the potential to mature into pub|icly traded companies.
The company works close|y with the management of companies that it acquires, using tried and proven methods
to expand the business, who are a|so open to innovative ideas on how to achieve targeted goals.


The company has great short term specu|ative potential as 
we|| as the potentia| for long term growth.

We Be|ieve the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $2.25
We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $5.25


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From jqieqz at vivetta.com  Tue Jun 14 02:44:25 2005
From: jqieqz at vivetta.com (Angel Navarro)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:44:25 +0100
Subject: [Auto-Reply]   Luxury Investors Information
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Structure & Technology Report

May 10th, 2005 -- For immediate re|ease

Investors and traders:
Pinnacle Group Limited, Inc. (PGPU) Announces Acquisition of AEROFOAM METALS INC.
AEROFOAM METALS INC is a |eading structural techno|ogy company focused on the deve|opment
& commercia|ization of foamed aluminum products and components for the world market.
In Today's market, AEROFOAM METALS INC has cutting edge techno|ogy and litt|e competition.

Symbol:         PGPU.PK  
Current Price:  O.75 
Short Term Target Price:    $2.25   
12 month Target Price:      $5.25
pinnaclegli.com 
 
 
AEROFOAM METALS INC Investment Considerations:
- Limited competition
- Commitment to R&D
- Cutting edge structural techno|ogy
aerofoammetals.com

PRESS RELEASE--May 1Oth, 2OO5--PINNACLE ACQUISITION OF AEROFOAM
The Company fo|lowing extended re-negotiations with the major shareholder and management of Aerofoam
Meta|s Incorporated ("Aerofoam") have reached an agreement in principle.The parties have entered into
a binding letter of intent, whereby, Pinnacle wi|| acquire all of the issued and outstanding shares of
Aerofoam for new Treasury Shares of Pinnac|e. The number of shares to be issued to the shareho|ders of
Aerofoam upon this acquisition wi|| be 3,500,0O0 common shares. The major shareholder of Aerofoam who 
beneficia||y owns 56% of al| the issued and outstanding shares of Aerofoam has agreed to vote his shares
in favor of this acquisition.The parties hereto further agree to enter into a binding Shareho|ders Agreement
immediately and to ho|d a specia| shareho|der meeting to ratify the acquisition within 60 days of signing 
this letter of intent.

PINNACLE GROUP LTD Profi|e:
Pinnac|e Group is a U.S. based ho|ding company, traded on the PinkSheets.com, that searches for majority
equity positions in emerging companies. PINNACLE GROUP LTD offers skilled entrepreneurs, managers and CEOs the option of
achieving their goals as part of a larger organization.The company  provides capita| and management
assistance to ventures that have the potentia| to mature into publicly traded companies.
The company works c|ose|y with the management of companies that it acquires, using tried and proven methods
to expand the business, who are also open to innovative ideas on how to achieve targeted goals.


The company has great short term specu|ative potential as 
wel| as the potentia| for |ong term growth.

We Be|ieve the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $2.25
We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $5.25


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From arma at mit.edu  Tue Jun 14 14:59:34 2005
From: arma at mit.edu (Roger Dingledine)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:59:34 -0400
Subject: Tor 0.1.0.10 is released
Message-ID: <mailman.1231.1576007664.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

Tor 0.1.0.10, the first stable release of the 0.1.0.x branch, is
finally ready.

This release features cleanup on Windows, including making NT
services work; many performance improvements, including libevent to
use poll/epoll/kqueue when available, and pthreads and better buffer
management to avoid so much memory bloat; better performance and
reliability for hidden services; automated self-reachability testing by
servers; http and https proxy support for clients; and much more support
for the Tor controller protocol.

http://tor.eff.org/download.html

  o Fixes on Win32:
    - Make NT services work and start on startup on Win32 (based on
      patch by Matt Edman). See the FAQ entry for details.
    - Make 'platform' string in descriptor more accurate for Win32
      servers, so it's not just "unknown platform".
    - REUSEADDR on normal platforms means you can rebind to the port
      right after somebody else has let it go. But REUSEADDR on Win32
      means you can bind to the port _even when somebody else already
      has it bound_! So, don't do that on Win32.
    - Clean up the log messages when starting on Win32 with no config
      file.
    - Allow seeding the RNG on Win32 even when you're not running as
      Administrator. If seeding the RNG on Win32 fails, quit.

  o Assert / crash bugs:
    - Refuse relay cells that claim to have a length larger than the
      maximum allowed. This prevents a potential attack that could read
      arbitrary memory (e.g. keys) from an exit server's process.
    - If unofficial Tor clients connect and send weird TLS certs, our
      Tor server triggers an assert. Stop asserting, and start handling
      TLS errors better in other situations too.
    - Fix a race condition that can trigger an assert when we have a
      pending create cell and an OR connection attempt fails.

  o Resource leaks:
    - Use pthreads for worker processes rather than forking. This was
      forced because when we forked, we ended up wasting a lot of
      duplicate ram over time.
      - Also switch to foo_r versions of some library calls to allow
        reentry and threadsafeness.
      - Implement --disable-threads configure option. Disable threads on
        netbsd and openbsd by default, because they have no reentrant
        resolver functions (!), and on solaris since it has other
        threading issues.
    - Fix possible bug on threading platforms (e.g. win32) which was
      leaking a file descriptor whenever a cpuworker or dnsworker died.
    - Fix a minor memory leak when somebody establishes an introduction
      point at your Tor server.
    - Fix possible memory leak in tor_lookup_hostname(). (Thanks to
      Adam Langley.)
    - Add ./configure --with-dmalloc option, to track memory leaks.
    - And try to free all memory on closing, so we can detect what
      we're leaking.

  o Protocol correctness:
    - When we've connected to an OR and handshaked but didn't like
      the result, we were closing the conn without sending destroy
      cells back for pending circuits. Now send those destroys.
    - Start sending 'truncated' cells back rather than destroy cells
      if the circuit closes in front of you. This means we won't have
      to abandon partially built circuits.
    - Handle changed router status correctly when dirserver reloads
      fingerprint file. We used to be dropping all unverified descriptors
      right then. The bug was hidden because we would immediately
      fetch a directory from another dirserver, which would include the
      descriptors we just dropped.
    - Revise tor-spec to add more/better stream end reasons.
    - Revise all calls to connection_edge_end to avoid sending 'misc',
      and to take errno into account where possible.
    - Client now retries when streams end early for 'hibernating' or
      'resource limit' reasons, rather than failing them.
    - Try to be more zealous about calling connection_edge_end when
      things go bad with edge conns in connection.c.

  o Robustness improvements:
    - Better handling for heterogeneous / unreliable nodes:
      - Annotate circuits with whether they aim to contain high uptime
        nodes and/or high capacity nodes. When building circuits, choose
        appropriate nodes.
      - This means that every single node in an intro rend circuit,
        not just the last one, will have a minimum uptime.
      - New config option LongLivedPorts to indicate application streams
        that will want high uptime circuits.
      - Servers reset uptime when a dir fetch entirely fails. This
        hopefully reflects stability of the server's network connectivity.
      - If somebody starts his tor server in Jan 2004 and then fixes his
        clock, don't make his published uptime be a year.
      - Reset published uptime when we wake up from hibernation.
    - Introduce a notion of 'internal' circs, which are chosen without
      regard to the exit policy of the last hop. Intro and rendezvous
      circs must be internal circs, to avoid leaking information. Resolve
      and connect streams can use internal circs if they want.
    - New circuit pooling algorithm: keep track of what destination ports
      we've used recently (start out assuming we'll want to use 80), and
      make sure to have enough circs around to satisfy these ports. Also
      make sure to have 2 internal circs around if we've required internal
      circs lately (and with high uptime if we've seen that lately too).
    - Turn addr_policy_compare from a tristate to a quadstate; this should
      help address our "Ah, you allow 1.2.3.4:80. You are a good choice
      for google.com" problem.
    - When a client asks us for a dir mirror and we don't have one,
      launch an attempt to get a fresh one.
    - First cut at support for "create-fast" cells. Clients can use
      these when extending to their first hop, since the TLS already
      provides forward secrecy and authentication. Not enabled on
      clients yet.

  o Reachability testing.
    - Your Tor server will automatically try to see if its ORPort and
      DirPort are reachable from the outside, and it won't upload its
      descriptor until it decides at least ORPort is reachable (when
      DirPort is not yet found reachable, publish it as zero).
    - When building testing circs for ORPort testing, use only
      high-bandwidth nodes, so fewer circuits fail.
    - Notice when our IP changes, and reset stats/uptime/reachability.
    - Authdirservers don't do ORPort reachability detection, since
      they're in clique mode, so it will be rare to find a server not
      already connected to them.
    - Authdirservers now automatically approve nodes running 0.1.0.2-rc
      or later.

  o Dirserver fixes:
    - Now we allow two unverified servers with the same nickname
      but different keys. But if a nickname is verified, only that
      nickname+key are allowed.
    - If you're an authdirserver connecting to an address:port,
      and it's not the OR you were expecting, forget about that
      descriptor. If he *was* the one you were expecting, then forget
      about all other descriptors for that address:port.
    - Allow servers to publish descriptors from 12 hours in the future.
      Corollary: only whine about clock skew from the dirserver if
      he's a trusted dirserver (since now even verified servers could
      have quite wrong clocks).
    - Require servers that use the default dirservers to have public IP
      addresses. We have too many servers that are configured with private
      IPs and their admins never notice the log entries complaining that
      their descriptors are being rejected.

  o Efficiency improvements:
    - Use libevent. Now we can use faster async cores (like epoll, kpoll,
      and /dev/poll), and hopefully work better on Windows too.
      - Apple's OS X 10.4.0 ships with a broken kqueue API, and using
        kqueue on 10.3.9 causes kernel panics. Don't use kqueue on OS X.
      - Find libevent even if it's hiding in /usr/local/ and your
        CFLAGS and LDFLAGS don't tell you to look there.
      - Be able to link with libevent as a shared library (the default
        after 1.0d), even if it's hiding in /usr/local/lib and even
        if you haven't added /usr/local/lib to your /etc/ld.so.conf,
        assuming you're running gcc. Otherwise fail and give a useful
        error message.
    - Switch to a new buffer management algorithm, which tries to avoid
      reallocing and copying quite as much. In first tests it looks like
      it uses *more* memory on average, but less cpu.
    - Switch our internal buffers implementation to use a ring buffer,
      to hopefully improve performance for fast servers a lot.
    - Reenable the part of the code that tries to flush as soon as an
      OR outbuf has a full TLS record available. Perhaps this will make
      OR outbufs not grow as huge except in rare cases, thus saving lots
      of CPU time plus memory.
    - Improve performance for dirservers: stop re-parsing the whole
      directory every time you regenerate it.
    - Keep a big splay tree of (circid,orconn)->circuit mappings to make
      it much faster to look up a circuit for each relay cell.
    - Remove most calls to assert_all_pending_dns_resolves_ok(),
      since they're eating our cpu on exit nodes.
    - Stop wasting time doing a case insensitive comparison for every
      dns name every time we do any lookup. Canonicalize the names to
      lowercase when you first see them.

  o Hidden services:
    - Handle unavailable hidden services better. Handle slow or busy
      hidden services better.
    - Cannibalize GENERAL circs to be C_REND, C_INTRO, S_INTRO, and S_REND
      circ as necessary, if there are any completed ones lying around
      when we try to launch one.
    - Make hidden services try to establish a rendezvous for 30 seconds
      after fetching the descriptor, rather than for n (where n=3)
      attempts to build a circuit.
    - Adjust maximum skew and age for rendezvous descriptors: let skew
      be 48 hours rather than 90 minutes.
    - Reject malformed .onion addresses rather then passing them on as
      normal web requests.

  o Controller:
    - More Tor controller support. See
      http://tor.eff.org/doc/control-spec.txt for all the new features,
      including signals to emulate unix signals from any platform;
      redirectstream; extendcircuit; mapaddress; getinfo; postdescriptor;
      closestream; closecircuit; etc.
    - Encode hashed controller passwords in hex instead of base64,
      to make it easier to write controllers.
    - Revise control spec and implementation to allow all log messages to
      be sent to controller with their severities intact (suggested by
      Matt Edman). Disable debug-level logs while delivering a debug-level
      log to the controller, to prevent loop. Update TorControl to handle
      new log event types.

  o New config options/defaults:
    - Begin scrubbing sensitive strings from logs by default. Turn off
      the config option SafeLogging if you need to do debugging.
    - New exit policy: accept most low-numbered ports, rather than
      rejecting most low-numbered ports.
    - Put a note in the torrc about abuse potential with the default
      exit policy.
    - Add support for CONNECTing through https proxies, with "HttpsProxy"
      config option.
    - Add HttpProxyAuthenticator and HttpsProxyAuthenticator support
      based on patch from Adam Langley (basic auth only).
    - Bump the default BandwidthRate from 1 MB to 2 MB, to accommodate
      the fast servers that have been joining lately. (Clients are now
      willing to load balance over up to 2 MB of advertised bandwidth
      capacity too.)
    - New config option MaxAdvertisedBandwidth which lets you advertise
      a low bandwidthrate (to not attract as many circuits) while still
      allowing a higher bandwidthrate in reality.
    - Require BandwidthRate to be at least 20kB/s for servers.
    - Add a NoPublish config option, so you can be a server (e.g. for
      testing running Tor servers in other Tor networks) without
      publishing your descriptor to the primary dirservers.
    - Add a new AddressMap config directive to rewrite incoming socks
      addresses. This lets you, for example, declare an implicit
      required exit node for certain sites.
    - Add a new TrackHostExits config directive to trigger addressmaps
      for certain incoming socks addresses -- for sites that break when
      your exit keeps changing (based on patch from Mike Perry).
    - Split NewCircuitPeriod option into NewCircuitPeriod (30 secs),
      which describes how often we retry making new circuits if current
      ones are dirty, and MaxCircuitDirtiness (10 mins), which describes
      how long we're willing to make use of an already-dirty circuit.
    - Change compiled-in SHUTDOWN_WAIT_LENGTH from a fixed 30 secs to
      a config option "ShutdownWaitLength" (when using kill -INT on
      servers).
    - Fix an edge case in parsing config options: if they say "--"
      on the commandline, it's not a config option (thanks weasel).
    - New config option DirAllowPrivateAddresses for authdirservers.
      Now by default they refuse router descriptors that have non-IP or
      private-IP addresses.
    - Change DirFetchPeriod/StatusFetchPeriod to have a special "Be
      smart" default value: low for servers and high for clients.
    - Some people were putting "Address  " in their torrc, and they had
      a buggy resolver that resolved " " to 0.0.0.0. Oops.
    - If DataDir is ~/.tor, and that expands to /.tor, then default to
      LOCALSTATEDIR/tor instead.
    - Implement --verify-config command-line option to check if your torrc
      is valid without actually launching Tor.

  o Logging improvements:
    - When dirservers refuse a server descriptor, we now log its
      contactinfo, platform, and the poster's IP address.
    - Only warn once per nickname from add_nickname_list_to_smartlist()
      per failure, so an entrynode or exitnode choice that's down won't
      yell so much.
    - When we're connecting to an OR and he's got a different nickname/key
      than we were expecting, only complain loudly if we're an OP or a
      dirserver. Complaining loudly to the OR admins just confuses them.
    - Whine at you if you're a server and you don't set your contactinfo.
    - Warn when exit policy implicitly allows local addresses.
    - Give a better warning when some other server advertises an
      ORPort that is actually an apache running ssl.
    - If we get an incredibly skewed timestamp from a dirserver mirror
      that isn't a verified OR, don't warn -- it's probably him that's
      wrong.
    - When a dirserver causes you to give a warn, mention which dirserver
      it was.
    - Initialize libevent later in the startup process, so the logs are
      already established by the time we start logging libevent warns.
    - Use correct errno on win32 if libevent fails.
    - Check and warn about known-bad/slow libevent versions.
    - Stop warning about sigpipes in the logs. We're going to
      pretend that getting these occassionally is normal and fine.

  o New contrib scripts:
    - New experimental script tor/contrib/exitlist: a simple python
      script to parse directories and find Tor nodes that exit to listed
      addresses/ports.
    - New experimental script tor/contrib/ExerciseServer.py (needs more
      work) that uses the controller interface to build circuits and
      fetch pages over them. This will help us bootstrap servers that
      have lots of capacity but haven't noticed it yet.
    - New experimental script tor/contrib/PathDemo.py (needs more work)
      that uses the controller interface to let you choose whole paths
      via addresses like
      "<hostname>.<path,separated by dots>.<length of path>.path"
    - New contributed script "privoxy-tor-toggle" to toggle whether
      Privoxy uses Tor. Seems to be configured for Debian by default.
    - Have torctl.in/tor.sh.in check for location of su binary (needed
      on FreeBSD)

  o Misc bugfixes:
    - chdir() to your datadirectory at the *end* of the daemonize process,
      not the beginning. This was a problem because the first time you
      run tor, if your datadir isn't there, and you have runasdaemon set
      to 1, it will try to chdir to it before it tries to create it. Oops.
    - Fix several double-mark-for-close bugs, e.g. where we were finding
      a conn for a cell even if that conn is already marked for close.
    - Stop most cases of hanging up on a socks connection without sending
      the socks reject.
    - Fix a bug in the RPM package: set home directory for _tor to
      something more reasonable when first installing.
    - Stop putting nodename in the Platform string in server descriptors.
      It doesn't actually help, and it is confusing/upsetting some people.
    - When using preferred entry or exit nodes, ignore whether the
      circuit wants uptime or capacity. They asked for the nodes, they
      get the nodes.
    - Tie MAX_DIR_SIZE to MAX_BUF_SIZE, so now directory sizes won't get
      artificially capped at 500kB.
    - Cache local dns resolves correctly even when they're .exit
      addresses.
    - If we're hibernating and we get a SIGINT, exit immediately.
    - tor-resolve requests were ignoring .exit if there was a working circuit
      they could use instead.
    - Pay more attention to the ClientOnly config option.
    - Resolve OS X installer bugs: stop claiming to be 0.0.9.2 in certain
      installer screens; and don't put stuff into StartupItems unless
      the user asks you to.

  o Misc features:
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    - When an application is using socks5, give him the whole variety of
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    - A more sane version numbering system. See
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    - Report HTTP reasons to client when getting a response from directory
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    - Stop publishing socksport in the directory, since it's not
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    - Since we ship our own Privoxy on OS X, tweak it so it doesn't write
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    - Add OSX uninstall instructions. An actual uninstall script will
      come later.
    - Add "opt hibernating 1" to server descriptor to make it clearer
      whether the server is hibernating.

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Subject: US DoJ wants ISPs to be forced to log their customers activities
Message-ID: <mailman.1232.1576007664.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


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From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Jun 17 08:38:53 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:38:53 +0200
Subject: [perry@piermont.com: US DoJ wants ISPs to be forced to log
  their customers activities]
Message-ID: <20050617153853.GP25947@leitl.org>

EU is pushing for the same; global "harmonization" of legisation, and of
course then mutual peering of connection info (though it's a lot of data) is
probably coming.

----- Forwarded message from "Perry E. Metzger" <perry at piermont.com> -----


From dave at farber.net  Sat Jun 18 00:42:30 2005
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 03:42:30 -0400
Subject: [IP] Cell Phones Now Playing Role of Wallet
Message-ID: <mailman.1233.1576007664.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From monty at roscom.com  Sat Jun 18 12:11:34 2005
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Date: June 18, 2005 12:11:34 AM EDT
Subject: Cell Phones Now Playing Role of Wallet
Message-ID: <mailman.1234.1576007664.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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      - Jun 17, 2005 11:10 PM (AP Online)

By BRUCE MEYERSON AP Business Writer


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disappearing wallet.


After all, since more than a quarter of the people on the planet
already carry around cell phones, and hundreds of millions are
joining them every year, why should they bring along credit and debit
cards when a mobile device can make payments just as well?


At the simplest level, all that's needed is to embed phones with a
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at a store register. It's not unlike the wireless system used to pay
tolls on many highways or the SpeedPass keychain wand used to buy gas
at Exxon Mobile Corp. pumps.


This is already a reality in Japan, where NTT DoCoMo Inc. says 3
million cell phone subscribers use its Mobile Wallet service to buy
things at 20,000 stores and vending machines.


Similar services may be on the way in the United States and Europe.
MasterCard International Inc. has been testing phone-based versions
of its PayPass contactless payment technology since 2003, and may
conduct a significant market trial next year.


But there also are more ambitious visions brewing that contemplate
the cell phone as a new focal point for managing your personal
finances. The phone would supplant not only credit and debit cards,
but wallets, checkbooks, Web sites, computer programs like Quicken,
and online bill payment services such as PayPal or CheckFree.


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that notion, and some are dubious of the appeal, the concept has
drawn interest in other regions and may get a tryout here soon.

...

      - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=49940191




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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:12:55 -0600
Subject: Unbelievable Investors Info
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HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTMENTS


The terror attacks on the United States on September 11, 2OO1 have 
changed 
the security landscape for the foreseeable future. Both physical and 
logical 
security have become paramount for all industry segments, especially in 
the 
banking, national resource and government sectors.  According to Giga, 
a 
wholly owned subsidiary of Forrester Research, worldwide demand for 
information security products and services is set to eclipse $46B by 
20O5.

Homeland Security Investments is a newsletter dedicated to providing 
our 
readers with information pertaining to investment opportunities in this 
lucrative sector.  As we know, events related to homeland security 
happen 
with lightning speed.  What we as investors can do is position 
ourselves in 
such a way as to take advantage of the current trends and be ready to 
capitalize on events which have yet to happen.  Homeland Security 
Investments is here to help our readers do just that.



With this in mind, it is with great excitement that we present Vinoble, 
Inc. 
  This stOc-k is expected to do big things in both the near and long 
terms.

Symbol: VNBL.OB

Current Price:      	    		$0.10
Short Term Target Price:    		$0.87
12 month Target Price:      		$2.2O



***Why we believe VNBL.OB will give big returns on investment***


* At this time much of VNBL's focus is on RFID (Radio frequency 
identification) technology.  This is technology which uses tiny sensors 
to 
transmit information about a person or object wirelessly.

* VNBL is already an industry pioneer in the RFID Personal Location 
Technology.

* VNBL is developing a form of RFID technology which allows companies 
and 
governments to wirelessly track their assets and resources.  Such 
technology 
has HUGE potential in the protection and transportation of materials 
designated "High Risk" were they to fall into the wrong hands.

* VNBL works on integration of the two afore mentioned systems in order 
to 
create "High Security Space" in locales where it is deemed necessary.  
Locations which may take advantage of such systems are airports, sea 
ports, 
mines, nuclear facilities, and more.

* As with all stOc-ks, news drives the short term price.  Fresh news has 
made 
VNBL a hot buy.


NEWS ON VNBL


MALIBU, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 16, 2O05--Vinoble, Inc. 
(OTCBB:VNBL - 
News), a holding company seeking to identify long-term growth 
opportunities 
in the areas of homeland security, security information systems, and 
other 
security services, announced today that it plans to offer products and 
services that will assist in the automation of the identification and 
control of equipment, assets, tools, and the related processes used in 
the 
Oil & Gas and Petrochemical industries.

Although small wirelessly networked RFID sensors can monitor machines 
and 
equipment to detect possible problems before they become serious, they 
can 
also deliver safety features within oil wells. Oil maybe trapped in 
different layers of rock, along with gas and water. Detection of 
specific 
liquids can assist equipment in operating within a specific precise 
opportune moment to ensure certain adverse conditions do not occur, 
such as 
a well filling with water.

As with other RF based technology applications, RFID can also provide 
the 
safe transit of materials by only the authorized handler, and limit the 
entry of personnel to specific locations. Ensuring personnel safety is 
essential, should there be an emergency at a facility, RFID tags would 
enable the customer to track and evaluate its employee's safety and/or 
danger. This application technology requires product and hardware that 
can 
operate in harsh and potentially hazardous conditions, but gives 
valuable 
safety to the resources and assets that are vital to the customer. RFID 
can 
also assist the customer's supply chain by tracking oil, gas, and 
chemical 
products from extraction to refining to the sale at the retail level.

Vinoble's viewpoint as previously stated is that these applications are 
more 
than just a valuable tool to the mining industry, but as a protective 
measure of our country's natural resources and commodities against 
threat. 
Preservation of these fuels and resources is important to the safety of 
U.S. 
industry and economy.

The Company believes that such offering service and technology 
application 
in the Oil & Gas and Petrochemical industry will further position 
Vinoble in 
a rapidly expanding industry while taking advantage of access to the 
increasing capital and global spending that the Company will require 
for 
growth. The Company's goal is to also provide a much-needed service at 
a 
cost manageable to even the smallest of businesses that can't afford to 
do 
without the safety of its personnel and assets in this current state of 
constant threat.


This is Outstanding news.  The growth potential for this company is 
exceptional.  In an already hot industry, VNBL.OB stands out as a truly 
innovative pioneer.  We see big things happening tno this stOc-k.


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From ntamihrxia at stc1.com  Sun Jun 19 21:03:56 2005
From: ntamihrxia at stc1.com (Jonathon Nelson)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:03:56 -0200
Subject: Featured company positioned to Grow
Message-ID: <751309186458.TXS93224@flashlight.sherer.com>

ROCKET ST0CKS NEWSLETTER

First we would like to say Thank You to a|| of our avid readers!  We 
have 
had HUGE success over the last few months and have become one of the 
most 
wide|y read investment newsletters in the world.  We have accomp|ished 
this 
by providing time|y, accurate information on s-tOcks with the potential 
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great returns.

Rocket s-tOcks is not your father's investment newsletter!  We focus on 
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to|erant 
investor!  The beauty of this is that it on|y takes one smart 
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make serious profits!


New Deve|opments Expected for Inte|ligent Sports, Inc. s-t0ck
>From $ O.O1 To Over $ O.O8


Symbo|: IGTS.PK
Current Price:      	    		$O.O1
Short Term Target Price:    		$O.08
12 month Target Price:      		$O.17

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Read on to find out why IGTS.PK is our TOP pick this week.


***TOP REASONS TO CONSIDER IGTS***


* Unique business mode| reminisant of Go|d's Gym before it exp|oded 
onto the 
fitness scene.

* The numbers are staggering and continue to rise daily. 15% of 
children/adolescents are "overweight" nationwide. Source: 20O2 Report 
by the 
Centers for Disease Control

* According to the President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports, 
on|y 
17 percent of middle and junior high schools and 2 percent of senior 
high 
schools require dai|y physical activity for al| students.  IGTS is 
|ooking 
to fill that gap.

* Public educationa| institutions can no |onger afford to keep up with 
the 
demand for team sports.  "The time when schoo| sports programs had 
enro||ment fees of $1O is fading," said former NBA star and Intelligent 
Sports, Inc. board member, Reggie Theus. "Not every parent is wil|ing 
to pay 
$30O enro||ment fees for a sport their chi|d is on|y casually 
interested in; 
some parents can't afford to pay that much for a sport their child 
excels 
at."

* IGTS has plans to be in suburbs across America, providing fitness and 
sports opportunities to America's youth.

* IGTS's proven business is ready for expansion.

* NEWS! NEWS! NEWS!


HERE IS RECENT NEWS ON THE COMPANY:

UPLAND, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 17, 20O5--Inte||igent Sports, 
Inc., 
continues its focus on providing physical and mental guidance to a|l 
student-athletes, by unveiling p|ans to begin |icensing their youth and 
fitness center concept, The Sports Zone, nationa||y later this year. 
Recognizing the link between ath|etic participation and personal 
success, 
pub|ic|y he|d Intel|igent Sports, Inc is introducing a new generation 
of 
youth to athletics through the development of the organized youth 
sports 
programs and faci|ities.

Since their fa|l 2O04 launch of The Sports Zone youth sports and 
fitness 
center concept in Up|and, CA, they have seen tremendous growth in their 
program options and customer base. The Sports Zone by Inte|ligent 
Sports in 
Up|and, California encompasses a 12,O0O square foot area faci|ity 
featuring 
two basketbal| courts catering to a wide range of after-school sport 
programs, weekend leagues and tournaments for core indoor court sports 
inc|uding basketba||, vol|eyba|l, cheer|eading, dance, wrest|ing, 
martial 
arts, dodge ba|| and more. The Sports Zone also has the abi|ity to host 
soccer, footba|| and other field-re|ated ath|etic activity within the 
comp|ex arena.

"I'm excited to see the business concept expanding as The Sports Zone 
offers 
youth a springboard to grow both ath|etical|y and intellectual|y," 
stated 
Intel|igent Sports President, Thomas Hobson. "Be it specialized sports 
skill 
training or persona| deve|opment, we have something for everyone. The 
business concept wil| soon be available through |icensing, providing 
other 
markets a centralized location for a wide-range of sports all developed 
to 
fit the diverse needs of each market. The Sports Zone concept is based 
on 
offering a wide variety of programs for youth at every skill level."

According to the President's Counci| on Physica| Fitness and Sports, 
on|y 17 
percent of middle and junior high schoo|s and 2 percent of senior high 
schools require daily physica| activity for al| students. With a board 
comprised of Reggie Theus, former NBA star, TV ana|yst, and current 
Head 
Men's Basketba|| Coach at New Mexico State University, and Ke||en 
Wins|ow, a 
member of the NFL Ha|l of Fame, Inte||igent Sports, Inc is one company 
that 
is passionate about fil|ing that gap for the youth in our communities.



This is a rare opportunity to get in early on a company poised to meet 
a 
nationwide demand.  We believe this s-t0ck has HUGE potential for a 
rapid 
price increase.


We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $O.08
We Be|ieve the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE is - $O.17


Please Watch this one trade Monday!!


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expectations, beliefs, p|ans, projections, objectives, goals, 
assumptions or 
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"F0RWARD looking statements."F0RWARD |ooking statements are based on
expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are
made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which cou|d cause
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anticipated. FORWARD |ooking statements in this action may be 
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"wil|,"  "anticipates,"  "estimates," "believes,"  "understands" or 
that by
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As with many micro-cap s-t0cks, today's company has additiona| risk
factors worth noting. Those factors include: a |imited operating 
history,
the company advancing cash to re|ated parties and a shareho|der on an
unsecured basis: one vendor, a related party through a majority
s-t0ckholder, supplies ninety-seven percent of the company's raw 
materia|s:
re|iance on two customers for over fifty percent of their business and
numerous related party transactions and the need to raise capita|. 
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factors and others are more ful|y spelled out in the company's SEC
filings. We urge you to read the filings before you invest.  The ROCKET 
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provided within this emai| pertaining to investing, ST0CKS, securities 
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understood as information provided and not investment advice. The
ROCKET STOCK Report advises a|l readers and subscribers to seek advice 
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a registered professional securities representative before deciding to
trade in ST0CKS featured within this email. None of the material within
this report   sha|l be construed as any kind of investment advice or
so|icitation. Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. 
You
can lose al| your MONEY by investing in this ST0CK. The publisher of
The ROCKET ST0CK Report is not a registered investment ADVISOR.
Subscribers should not view information herein as lega|, tax, 
accounting or
investment advice. Any reference to past performance(s) of companies 
are
specially selected to be referenced based on the favorable performance 
of
these companies. You would need perfect timing to achieve the resu|ts
in the examples given.   There can be no assurance of that happening.
Remember, as always, past performance is never indicative of future
results and a thorough due di|igence effort, inc|uding a review of a
company's fi|ings, shou|d be completed prior to investing. In 
comp|iance
with the Securities Act of 1933, Section 17(b), The ROCKET STOCK Report
discloses the receipt of twe|ve thousand D0LLARS from a third party
(GEM,Inc.), not an officer, director or affi|iate  shareho|der  for  
the
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they
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of interest resu|ting from such compensation due to the fact that this
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limited to Company Websites, SEC Fi|ings and Company Press Re|eases. 
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 20 06:45:31 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:45:31 -0400
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] Cell Phones Now Playing Role of
  Wallet]
In-Reply-To: <20050618212621.GR25947@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F68DEAB166BFCB994D49E59BE90@phx.gbl>

Sounds great. Citigroup couldn't be bothered to encrypt millions of their 
customer's detailed data prior to shipping them out via UPS, so I'm SURE 
they won't screw this up.

-TD

>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [dave at farber.net: [IP] Cell Phones Now Playing Role of Wallet]
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 23:26:21 +0200
>
>----- Forwarded message from David Farber <dave at farber.net> -----
>
>From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 03:42:30 -0400
>To: Ip ip <ip at v2.listbox.com>
>Subject: [IP] Cell Phones Now Playing Role of Wallet
>X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730)
>Reply-To: dave at farber.net
>
>
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>From: Monty Solomon <monty at roscom.com>
>Date: June 18, 2005 12:11:34 AM EDT
>To: undisclosed-recipient:;
>Subject: Cell Phones Now Playing Role of Wallet
>
>
>
>       Cell Phones Now Playing Role of Wallet
>       - Jun 17, 2005 11:10 PM (AP Online)
>
>By BRUCE MEYERSON AP Business Writer
>
>
>NEW YORK (AP) -- Already a device of multiple disguises, from camera
>to music player and mini-TV, the cell phone's next trick may be the
>disappearing wallet.
>
>
>After all, since more than a quarter of the people on the planet
>already carry around cell phones, and hundreds of millions are
>joining them every year, why should they bring along credit and debit
>cards when a mobile device can make payments just as well?
>
>
>At the simplest level, all that's needed is to embed phones with a
>short-range radio chip to beam credit card information to a terminal
>at a store register. It's not unlike the wireless system used to pay
>tolls on many highways or the SpeedPass keychain wand used to buy gas
>at Exxon Mobile Corp. pumps.
>
>
>This is already a reality in Japan, where NTT DoCoMo Inc. says 3
>million cell phone subscribers use its Mobile Wallet service to buy
>things at 20,000 stores and vending machines.
>
>
>Similar services may be on the way in the United States and Europe.
>MasterCard International Inc. has been testing phone-based versions
>of its PayPass contactless payment technology since 2003, and may
>conduct a significant market trial next year.
>
>
>But there also are more ambitious visions brewing that contemplate
>the cell phone as a new focal point for managing your personal
>finances. The phone would supplant not only credit and debit cards,
>but wallets, checkbooks, Web sites, computer programs like Quicken,
>and online bill payment services such as PayPal or CheckFree.
>
>
>While the mightiest players in Western banking have yet to embrace
>that notion, and some are dubious of the appeal, the concept has
>drawn interest in other regions and may get a tryout here soon.
>
>...
>
>       - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=49940191
>
>
>
>
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From: richard at levitte.org (Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:21:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] OpenSSL 0.9.8 beta 6 released
Message-ID: <20050621.082141.35044877.richard@levitte.org>


  OpenSSL version 0.9.8 Beta 6 (FINAL!)
  =====================================

  OpenSSL - The Open Source toolkit for SSL/TLS
  http://www.openssl.org/

  OpenSSL is currently in a release cycle.  The sixth beta is now
  released.  The beta release is available for download via HTTP and
  FTP from the following master locations (the various FTP mirrors you
  can find under http://www.openssl.org/source/mirror.html):

    o http://www.openssl.org/source/
    o ftp://ftp.openssl.org/source/

  PLEASE TEST THIS RELEASE!  This is a final beta.  The final release
  is due very soon, and we would like your help to make this as good a
  release as ever possible.  Among others, base64 decoding needs extra
  attention (see below).

  The file names of the beta are:

    o openssl-0.9.8-beta6.tar.gz
      MD5 checksum: e6771df5621169ae616adb3475aac71a
      SHA1 checksum: d5aad452a4a192780ff1990b5c75513eb8408fe2

  The checksums were calculated using the following command:

    openssl md5 < openssl-0.9.8-beta6.tar.gz
    openssl sha1 < openssl-0.9.8-beta6.tar.gz

  Please download and test them as soon as possible.  This new OpenSSL
  version incorporates 104 documented changes and bugfixes to the
  toolkit (for a complete list see http://www.openssl.org/source/exp/CHANGES
  and http://www.openssl.org/source/exp/NEWS).

  Since the fifth beta, the following has happened:

    - Change the DJGPP setup so it's DEVRANDOM is defined in e_os.h
      instead of in the build command line.
    - Worked around a DJGPP command line bug during installation of
      docs.
    - Worked out better target selections for BSD ELF.
    - Corrected the CPUid code for x86_64.
    - Made the base64 decoder a bit more robust.
    - We made sure crypto/bn/bn_prime.h is properly built during an
      update.
    - Enhanced the documentation on id_function in threads.pod.
    - Added a fallback to software in the CSwift engine.
    - Other bug fixes...

  Reports and patches should be sent to openssl-bugs at openssl.org.
  Discussions around the development of OpenSSL should be sent to
  openssl-dev at openssl.org.  Anything else should go to
  openssl-users at openssl.org.

  The best way, at least on Unix, to create a report is to do the
  following after configuration:

      make report

  That will do a few basic checks of the compiler and bc, then build
  and run the tests.  The result will appear on screen and in the file
  "testlog".  Please read the report before sending it to us.  There
  may be problems that we can't solve for you, like missing programs.

  Yours,
  The OpenSSL Project Team...  

    Mark J. Cox             Nils Larsch         Ulf Möller
    Ralf S. Engelschall     Ben Laurie          Andy Polyakov
    Dr. Stephen Henson      Richard Levitte     Geoff Thorpe
    Lutz Jänicke            Bodo Möller
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From: jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com (Sarad AV)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:53:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fwd: PGP Desktop 9
Message-ID: <20050621155326.85579.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

hi,

Anyone likes to comment on this? Forwarded text below.

Sarad.

"The new PGP Desktop 9 is showing some weird
behaviour. 

Even when all intercepting services are turned off, it
will continue listening on port 33333. Every program
that wants to connect to the internet will try to
connect through that port first. 

It seems weird and unnecessary to me, especially since
its a known trojan port. Haven't looked into it any
further, due to lack of time. (this is the purchased
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From jrandom at i2p.net  Tue Jun 21 09:22:28 2005
From: jrandom at i2p.net (jrandom)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:22:28 -0700
Subject: [i2p] weekly status notes [jun 21]
Message-ID: <mailman.1235.1576007665.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi y'all, time to start back up our weekly status notes

* Index
1) Dev[eloper] status
2) Dev[elopment] status
3) Unit test bounty
4) Service outage
5) ???

* 1) Dev[eloper] status

After 4 cities in 4 countries, I'm finally getting settled and
churning through code again.  Last week I got the last of the
pieces to a laptop together, I'm no longer couch hopping, and
while I don't have net access at home, there are plenty of net
cafes around, so access is reliable (just infrequent and
expensive).

That last point means that I won't be hanging out on irc as much
as before, at least until the fall (I've got a sublet through
August or so and will be looking for a place where I can get 24/7 net
access).  That doesn't, however, mean that I won't be doing as
much - I'll just be working largely on my own test network, pushing
out builds for live net testing (and, er, oh yeah, releases).  It
does mean though that we may want to move some discussions that used
to go on free form in #i2p onto the list [1] and/or the forum [2] (I
do still read the #i2p backlog though).  I haven't found a
reasonable place where I can go to for our development meetings yet,
so I won't be there this week, but perhaps by next week I'll have
found one.

Anyway, enough about me.

[1] http://dev.i2p.net/pipermail/i2p/
[2] http://forum.i2p.net/

* 2) Dev[elopment] status

While I've been moving, there have been two main fronts that I've
been working on - documentation and the SSU transport (the later
only since I got the laptop).  The docs are still in progress, with
a big ol' scary overview one as well as a series of smaller
implementation docs (covering things like source layout, component
interaction, etc).

SSU progress is going well - the new ACK bitfields are in place, the
communication is dealing with (simulated) loss effectively, rates
are appropriate for the various conditions, and I've cleared some of
the uglier bugs I had run into previously.  I am continuing to test
these changes though, and once its appropriate we'll plot out a
series of live net tests for which we'll need some volunteers to
help out with.  More news on that front when its available.

* 3) Unit test bounty

I'm glad to announce that Comwiz has come forward with a series of
patches to claim the first phase of the unit test bounty [3]!  We are
still working through some minor details of the patches, but I've
received the updates and generated both the junit and clover reports
as necessary.  I expect we'll have the patches in CVS shortly, at
which point we'll put out Comwiz's testing docs.

As clover is a commercial product (free for OSS developers [4]),
only those who have installed clover and received their clover
license will be able to generate the clover reports.  In any case,
we'll be publishing the clover reports on the web periodically, so
those who don't have clover installed can still see how well our
test suite is doing.

[3] http://www.i2p.net/bounties_unittest
[4] http://www.cenqua.com/clover/

* 4) Service outage

As many have probably noticed, (at least) one of the outproxies is
offline (squid.i2p), as is www.i2p, dev.i2p, cvs.i2p, and my blog.
These are not unrelated events - the machine hosting them is hosed.
I'm working on getting it back up though, at which point those five
services will be back in operation.  Just an FYI.

* 5) ???

As there isn't a dev meeting on irc this week, if anyone else has
anything to bring up, please feel free to post up to the list or the
forum.  I've been following the discussions on the list, the forum,
and in #i2p while I've been away, and have been glad to be able to
sit back and let other people answer most of the questions.

I do appreciate the patience people have had with the slow down in
releases as well, and realize that in some projects that would be
cause for alarm.  I2P is not, however, one of those projects - I've
been working on it fulltime for more than two years now and will not
stop until the needs that have been driving it are met.  I am not
wed to particular technologies for technologies sake, but merely
follow what seems to be the best path from here to where we need to
be, and as far as I can tell, we are still following the best path
available.  This summer, fall, and winter look to be a very exciting
time in the anonymity field.

=jr
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______________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:28:21 +0200
Subject: [jrandom@i2p.net: [i2p] weekly status notes [jun 21]]
Message-ID: <20050621212821.GX25947@leitl.org>

Speaking of which, are *you* running a Tor node? You should.

----- Forwarded message from jrandom <jrandom at i2p.net> -----


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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 22 09:00:47 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:00:47 -0400
Subject: [jrandom@i2p.net: [i2p] weekly status notes [jun 21]]
In-Reply-To: <20050621212821.GX25947@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F17DB24CB8FE4F0E426CDD89BEB0@phx.gbl>

Any idea how much it would cost? How much time is involved? (My constraint 
is the latter and not so much the former.)

-TD

>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [jrandom at i2p.net: [i2p] weekly status notes [jun 21]]
>Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:28:21 +0200
>
>Speaking of which, are *you* running a Tor node? You should.
>
>----- Forwarded message from jrandom <jrandom at i2p.net> -----
>
>From: jrandom <jrandom at i2p.net>
>Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:22:28 -0700
>To: i2p at i2p.net
>Subject: [i2p] weekly status notes [jun 21]
>
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>Hash: SHA1
>
>Hi y'all, time to start back up our weekly status notes
>
>* Index
>1) Dev[eloper] status
>2) Dev[elopment] status
>3) Unit test bounty
>4) Service outage
>5) ???
>
>* 1) Dev[eloper] status
>
>After 4 cities in 4 countries, I'm finally getting settled and
>churning through code again.  Last week I got the last of the
>pieces to a laptop together, I'm no longer couch hopping, and
>while I don't have net access at home, there are plenty of net
>cafes around, so access is reliable (just infrequent and
>expensive).
>
>That last point means that I won't be hanging out on irc as much
>as before, at least until the fall (I've got a sublet through
>August or so and will be looking for a place where I can get 24/7 net
>access).  That doesn't, however, mean that I won't be doing as
>much - I'll just be working largely on my own test network, pushing
>out builds for live net testing (and, er, oh yeah, releases).  It
>does mean though that we may want to move some discussions that used
>to go on free form in #i2p onto the list [1] and/or the forum [2] (I
>do still read the #i2p backlog though).  I haven't found a
>reasonable place where I can go to for our development meetings yet,
>so I won't be there this week, but perhaps by next week I'll have
>found one.
>
>Anyway, enough about me.
>
>[1] http://dev.i2p.net/pipermail/i2p/
>[2] http://forum.i2p.net/
>
>* 2) Dev[elopment] status
>
>While I've been moving, there have been two main fronts that I've
>been working on - documentation and the SSU transport (the later
>only since I got the laptop).  The docs are still in progress, with
>a big ol' scary overview one as well as a series of smaller
>implementation docs (covering things like source layout, component
>interaction, etc).
>
>SSU progress is going well - the new ACK bitfields are in place, the
>communication is dealing with (simulated) loss effectively, rates
>are appropriate for the various conditions, and I've cleared some of
>the uglier bugs I had run into previously.  I am continuing to test
>these changes though, and once its appropriate we'll plot out a
>series of live net tests for which we'll need some volunteers to
>help out with.  More news on that front when its available.
>
>* 3) Unit test bounty
>
>I'm glad to announce that Comwiz has come forward with a series of
>patches to claim the first phase of the unit test bounty [3]!  We are
>still working through some minor details of the patches, but I've
>received the updates and generated both the junit and clover reports
>as necessary.  I expect we'll have the patches in CVS shortly, at
>which point we'll put out Comwiz's testing docs.
>
>As clover is a commercial product (free for OSS developers [4]),
>only those who have installed clover and received their clover
>license will be able to generate the clover reports.  In any case,
>we'll be publishing the clover reports on the web periodically, so
>those who don't have clover installed can still see how well our
>test suite is doing.
>
>[3] http://www.i2p.net/bounties_unittest
>[4] http://www.cenqua.com/clover/
>
>* 4) Service outage
>
>As many have probably noticed, (at least) one of the outproxies is
>offline (squid.i2p), as is www.i2p, dev.i2p, cvs.i2p, and my blog.
>These are not unrelated events - the machine hosting them is hosed.
>I'm working on getting it back up though, at which point those five
>services will be back in operation.  Just an FYI.
>
>* 5) ???
>
>As there isn't a dev meeting on irc this week, if anyone else has
>anything to bring up, please feel free to post up to the list or the
>forum.  I've been following the discussions on the list, the forum,
>and in #i2p while I've been away, and have been glad to be able to
>sit back and let other people answer most of the questions.
>
>I do appreciate the patience people have had with the slow down in
>releases as well, and realize that in some projects that would be
>cause for alarm.  I2P is not, however, one of those projects - I've
>been working on it fulltime for more than two years now and will not
>stop until the needs that have been driving it are met.  I am not
>wed to particular technologies for technologies sake, but merely
>follow what seems to be the best path from here to where we need to
>be, and as far as I can tell, we are still following the best path
>available.  This summer, fall, and winter look to be a very exciting
>time in the anonymity field.
>
>=jr
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>_______________________________________________
>i2p mailing list
>i2p at i2p.net
>http://i2p.dnsalias.net/mailman/listinfo/i2p
>
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>--
>Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
>______________________________________________________________
>ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.leitl.org
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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Jun 22 09:13:03 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:13:03 +0200
Subject: [jrandom@i2p.net: [i2p] weekly status notes [jun 21]]
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F17DB24CB8FE4F0E426CDD89BEB0@phx.gbl>
References: <20050621212821.GX25947@leitl.org>
  <BAY103-F17DB24CB8FE4F0E426CDD89BEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050622161303.GU25947@leitl.org>

On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 12:00:47PM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
> Any idea how much it would cost? How much time is involved? (My constraint
> is the latter and not so much the former.)

Debian setup is easiest, put
deb http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/tor experimental-sarge main
into your /etc/apt/sources.list and you can install tor via apt-get update
and apt-get install tor

You might want to touch /etc/tor/torrc to reflect your exit policies (my colo
blocks port 6667), and bandwidth capping (I cap at 80 KB, which leaves me
with some 10-15 GBytes traffic/day).

ExitPolicy reject 0.0.0.0/8,reject 169.254.0.0/16,reject 127.0.0.0/8, reject
192.168.0.0/16,reject 10.0.0.0/8,reject 172.16.0.0/12
ExitPolicy accept *:20-22,accept *:53,accept *:79-81,accept *:110,accept
*:143,accept *:389,accept *:443,accept *:636,accept *:706,accept *:873,accept
*:993,accept *:995
ExitPolicy reject *:1214,reject *:4661-4666,reject *:6346-6347,reject
*:6419,reject *:6667,reject *:6881-6889
ExitPolicy accept *:1024-65535,reject *:*

BandwidthRate 80 KB


--
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______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.leitl.org
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From: juicy at melontraffickers.com (A.Melon)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:36:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F280A7F44F3DA8841C8A44B9BEA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a16adb97940c1e19a403362196dccbce@melontraffickers.com>

> How do you take out a bulldozer? (Remember, bulldozer operators can
> easily be replaced.)
thermite through the engine block, frag bomb in the engine compartment,
torch any remaining hoses, slice the tires, puncture the brake lines.
you don't need someone to tell you this. takings clause abuse has been
going on for a long time.




From jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 10:44:57 2005
From: jtrjtrjtr2001 at yahoo.com (Sarad AV)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:44:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F280A7F44F3DA8841C8A44B9BEA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050623174458.29940.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is very bad news. A lot of people will loose
their homes to private 'economic developers'. It
certainly means no right to have a permenant home.
When suburbs start developing, the people are going to
be evicted over and over. How long will this continue?
If they cant do any good for individual citizens, how
are they going to do it for the public good?



--- Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Holy crap. Some shitty little township can now
> bulldoze your house because 
> someone wants to convert the space into a Waffle
> House.
> 
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8331097/
> 
> Where's Tim May when you need him? Where's the RAGE?
> 
> How do you take out a bulldozer? (Remember,
> bulldozer operators can easily 
> be replaced.)
> 
> -TD
> 
> 
> 


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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 09:12:48 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:12:48 -0400
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
Message-ID: <BAY103-F280A7F44F3DA8841C8A44B9BEA0@phx.gbl>

Holy crap. Some shitty little township can now bulldoze your house because 
someone wants to convert the space into a Waffle House.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8331097/

Where's Tim May when you need him? Where's the RAGE?

How do you take out a bulldozer? (Remember, bulldozer operators can easily 
be replaced.)

-TD




From roy at rant-central.com  Thu Jun 23 10:04:39 2005
From: roy at rant-central.com (Roy M. Silvernail)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:04:39 -0400
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F280A7F44F3DA8841C8A44B9BEA0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F280A7F44F3DA8841C8A44B9BEA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1119546279.42baeba771a72@mesmer.rant-central.com>

Quoting Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com>:

> How do you take out a bulldozer? (Remember, bulldozer operators can easily
> be replaced.)

RPG7 should do it.  They're known to be able to take out a Bradley.
-- 
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 10:35:37 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:35:37 -0400
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
Message-ID: <BAY103-F228C4D0345F0FCB2CCD77B9BEA0@phx.gbl>

Yeah, but this steps crosses a line, I think. Before, your home could be 
taken for a public project. Now, the supreme court has ruled that your home 
can be taken for a "public project" that consists entirely of private 
development, in the name of the "public good", which is supposed to equal 
higher tax revenues.

What this equates to is, whoever had more money than you can take away your 
home. Previously, it was just the occasional men-with-guns that could do 
this, but now they effectively have proxies everywhere.

-TD

>From: "A.Melon" <juicy at melontraffickers.com>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Re: Private Homes may be taken for public good
>Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:36:27 -0700 (PDT)
>
> > How do you take out a bulldozer? (Remember, bulldozer operators can
> > easily be replaced.)
>thermite through the engine block, frag bomb in the engine compartment,
>torch any remaining hoses, slice the tires, puncture the brake lines.
>you don't need someone to tell you this. takings clause abuse has been
>going on for a long time.




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From: juicy at melontraffickers.com (A.Melon)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:56:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F228C4D0345F0FCB2CCD77B9BEA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <c05dfd76a6e9c7a71c20a713d96e2221@melontraffickers.com>

> Yeah, but this steps crosses a line, I think. Before, your home could be 
> taken for a public project. Now, the supreme court has ruled that your home 
> can be taken for a "public project" that consists entirely of private 
> development, in the name of the "public good", which is supposed to equal 
> higher tax revenues.
> 
> What this equates to is, whoever had more money than you can take away your 
> home. Previously, it was just the occasional men-with-guns that could do 
> this, but now they effectively have proxies everywhere.

The principle of using the takings clause to transfer private property
to private parties has already been approved by the Supremes.  This is
but another variation.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=467&invol=229

> >From: "A.Melon" <juicy at melontraffickers.com>
> >To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
> >Subject: Re: Private Homes may be taken for public good
> >Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:36:27 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >> How do you take out a bulldozer? (Remember, bulldozer operators can
> >> easily be replaced.)
> >thermite through the engine block, frag bomb in the engine compartment,
> >torch any remaining hoses, slice the tires, puncture the brake lines.
> >you don't need someone to tell you this. takings clause abuse has been
> >going on for a long time.

Dousing the 'dozer with gas and throwing a match may suffice.  The two
ex-Caltech-student co-conspirators in the Los Angeles area Hummer
dealership fire are still at large.  Maybe they'll make their way to
Connecticut or NYC* and put their skills to use for a worthy cause...
rather than for the Marxist ELF.

* http://www.nyclu.org/eminent_domain_lj_article_060105.html




From jbdigriz at dragonsweb.org  Thu Jun 23 11:54:56 2005
From: jbdigriz at dragonsweb.org (James B. DiGriz)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:54:56 -0400
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F280A7F44F3DA8841C8A44B9BEA0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F280A7F44F3DA8841C8A44B9BEA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42BB0580.60201@dragonsweb.org>

Tyler Durden wrote:
> Holy crap. Some shitty little township can now bulldoze your house 
> because someone wants to convert the space into a Waffle House.
> 
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8331097/
> 
> Where's Tim May when you need him? Where's the RAGE?
> 
> How do you take out a bulldozer? (Remember, bulldozer operators can 
> easily be replaced.)
> 
> -TD
> 
> 
> 

Mr.May saw this coming a long time ago. He expressed any "rage" then,
Apparently, no one was listening but the choir. Does anyone think
anyone will listen or actually do anything constructive now? And does 
being able to say "I told you so" provide any real comfort?

Time is past for "expressing" "rage", I'd think.And that's probably enuf 
sed.

jbdigriz




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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:04:30 -0800
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From measl at mfn.org  Thu Jun 23 21:30:47 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:30:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F228C4D0345F0FCB2CCD77B9BEA0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F228C4D0345F0FCB2CCD77B9BEA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050623232820.E69928@ubzr.zsa.bet>

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Tyler Durden wrote:

> What this equates to is, whoever had more money than you can take away your
> home. Previously, it was just the occasional men-with-guns that could do
> this, but now they effectively have proxies everywhere.

It just makes formal (and official) what has existed for a long time.  The
guy with the most money can do whatever the fuck s/he wants to, with no
regard to any rule of law or social responsibility, and there isn't anyone
who wants to change that.

After all, if we really wanted to change it, it wouldn't be just four or
five cpunks bitching on a now obsolete mailing list - it would be citizens
with guns storming the halls of congresscritters.

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org
0xBD4A95BF


"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public
plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to
the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always
be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by
predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."

Joseph Pulitzer
1907 Speech




From s.schear at comcast.net  Fri Jun 24 00:11:05 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:11:05 -0700
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <20050624001902.M69928@ubzr.zsa.bet>
References: <BAY103-F228C4D0345F0FCB2CCD77B9BEA0@phx.gbl> 
  <20050623232820.E69928@ubzr.zsa.bet>  <42BB94A7.8080506@gmail.com> 
  <20050624001902.M69928@ubzr.zsa.bet>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050624000732.051c1b28@mail.comcast.net>

At 10:19 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote:
>On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Jay Listo wrote:
>
> > Well, once the Supreme Court starts coming up with stuff like this, you
> > know you've been Bush-whacked.
>
>Maybe you should take another look at who voted how.  The Bushies
>dissented on this opinion.  Go figure.

Not surprising at all.  The Bush camp's court agenda is spearheaded by 
members of the Federalist Society which wants to roll back many of the SC's 
decisions of the early-mid 20th century (esp. the Social Security Act and 
the expansion of the Commerce Clause during FDR's reign).

Steve  




From measl at mfn.org  Thu Jun 23 22:19:47 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:19:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <42BB94A7.8080506@gmail.com>
References: <BAY103-F228C4D0345F0FCB2CCD77B9BEA0@phx.gbl> 
  <20050623232820.E69928@ubzr.zsa.bet> <42BB94A7.8080506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050624001902.M69928@ubzr.zsa.bet>

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Jay Listo wrote:

> Well, once the Supreme Court starts coming up with stuff like this, you
> know you've been Bush-whacked.

Maybe you should take another look at who voted how.  The Bushies
dissented on this opinion.  Go figure.


-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org
0xBD4A95BF


"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public
plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to
the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always
be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by
predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."

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1907 Speech




From fcallari at ilm.com  Fri Jun 24 04:43:12 2005
From: fcallari at ilm.com (Francesco Callari)
Date: June 24, 2005 4:43:12 PM EDT
Subject: [For IP, if you wish] CIA agents tracked through sloppy
Message-ID: <mailman.1236.1576007665.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

cellphone use.


Dr. Farber,

I thought the following may be of interest to IP readers.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------

Today's US news sources show several reports on Italian prosecutors
writing arrest warrants for 13 CIA agents in the kidnapping of a
Muslim preacher in Milan in 2003.

The Italian newspapers, however, provide some interesting technical
details on the investigation, which hinged on tracking their cellphones.
Excerpt translations follow.

[Repubblica, 6/24/2005]
Milan closes the inquiry - CIA, 12 agents face arrest.

[...] "The CIA team bungled a lot, leaving clues everywhere. A group
of cell phones is in Via Guerzoni [where the kidnapping occurred]
around noon. The same cell phones moved toward Aviano Air Base shortly
thereafter. Calls from those cell phone were made to the
U.S. consulate and to numbers in Virginia. One of the same cell phones
was located in Cairo the day after. From the cell phones [the
investigators] tracked [...] the hotels in Milan where the team
members stayed and the car rental agency where the van used in the
operation was rented.

[...] In those days of February 2003 the American team in Milan showed
a surprising ignorance, or lack of care at least, in the use of their
cellphones. Using the words of one of our sources, "they showed to
know less than one of our homegrown thieves". Apparently they
thought that replacing the phones' SIM cards was enough to prevent
successful tracking. Not so, the Americans apparently ignored the
unique hardware identifier of each GSM phone (the IMEI), which can
be tracked regardless of the SIM card and the phone carrier.

[Corriere della Sera, 6/24]
Milan' prosecutors: jail the CIA agents.

[Lots of details on the investigation results, including $120,000
of U.S. taxpayer's money spent by CIA team members to reside in 5
luxury hotels, plus a note about two couples of team members
that took a vacation in "romantic hotels" in Valmalenco and along the
Poet's Gulf after the kidnapping.  The interesting bit involving
cellphones is toward the end:]

All the cellphones were irregular, since the registered owners were
fake names, non-existing corporations and even innocent Milan women
and a Rumenian bricklayer. However, the CIA operatives showed their
own U.S. passports to register themselves in a total of 23 hotels and 4
rental car companies, and the phones could be placed in the same
locations at the same times. The police tracked the photocopies of the
passports, and determined that they were genuine documents, even
though probably using showing cover names.





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From juicy at melontraffickers.com  Fri Jun 24 09:05:48 2005
From: juicy at melontraffickers.com (A.Melon)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:05:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F3057C0A7A9B251B493E5B8E6ED0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <875d9afa353a4fca5de79e7cb73aa402@melontraffickers.com>

> >From: "A.Melon" <juicy at melontraffickers.com>
> 
> >The principle of using the takings clause to transfer private property
> >to private parties has already been approved by the Supremes.  This is
> >but another variation.
> >http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=467&invol=229
> 
> Interesting that the author of that opinion was O'Connor, who authored the 
> *dissent* from this week's opinion.  Apparently, taking property from one 
> private individual and giving it to another is fine with her if the one 
> you're taking it from is a member of an (evil by definition) "oligopoly".
> 
> O'Connor's dissent in the recent case is full of hair-splitting about why 
> this transfer isn't for public use while the other one was, but all of her 
> arguments would have and should have applied to the earlier case as well.
> 
> There is a special place in Hell reserved for people like her who open the 
> proverbial barn door and then proceed to complain when the whole herd 
> stampedes through. The key word is "principles": O'Connor should find some 
> and try applying them consistently.

In her defense, she *thinks* she's identified a legitimate
distinction.  She thinks there's a fundamental difference between
taking property for the purpose of economic development and taking
property to break up a landholder oligopoly on a small island.
Unfortunately, she's wrong.  She's a two-bit socialist in the realm of
constitutional takings. She has no compunctions about taking from the
rich and giving to the poor, or taking from someone to protect the
"environment." But she starts whining when the court decides to take
from the (relatively) poor and give to the rich.

As for Berman... (quoting O'Connor's dissent from Kelo)
> In Berman, we upheld takings within a blighted neighborhood of
> Washington, D. C. The neighborhood had so deteriorated that, for
> example, 64.3% of its dwellings were beyond repair. 348 U. S., at
> 30.  It had become burdened with "overcrowding of dwellings," "lack
> of adequate streets and alleys," and "lack of light and air." Id.,
> at 34.  Congress had determined that the neighborhood had become
> "injurious to the public health, safety, morals, and welfare" and
> that it was necessary to "eliminat[e] all such injurious conditions
> by employing all means necessary and appropriate for the purpose,"
> including eminent domain.

Those are good reasons for the government to do something, although I
can't agree that taking the property to raze it and sell it to
developers -- no matter what the reason -- qualifies as public use. To
be constitutional, they'd have had to turn the area into a public park
or a museum or something.

A reasonable action under our current system of government and
jurisprudence could have been for the D.C. city council (which can be
overridden by Congress, but Congress generally leaves it alone) to
enact a health and safety law requiring the property owners to fix
things, and fining them and having the city fix things if the property
owners did not comply. If fixing meant razing the buildings and
putting up tents, so be it. But no level of government had the right
to take titles from the land owners unless the land would then be put
to public use.

I don't philosophically support that solution because it violates
private property rights. If someone wants to live in an unsafe or
unhealthy environment with no light and no alleys, the government
shouldn't have the power to intervene. But it's widely accepted in
urban areas that the government has the power to intervene on the
basis of gross neglect of public (e.g. tenant) health and safety, and
that's a somewhat better and less intrusive way of fixing the
situation in Berman without going so far as taking the property away
from the landholders. The opening paragraph of Berman admits that the
property, once taken, "may be" (i.e. will be) sold to private
developers.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=US&vol=348&invol=26

So, while O'Connor shouldn't be defending either decision, at least
there was some basis for the government to do *something* in Berman.
And at least, because O'Connor wasn't part of that decision, she can't
be accused of violating her own principles in Kelo with respect to
Berman.




From s.schear at comcast.net  Fri Jun 24 09:52:21 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:52:21 -0700
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050624095159.05335cb0@mail.comcast.net>

At 10:19 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote:
>On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Jay Listo wrote:
>
> > Well, once the Supreme Court starts coming up with stuff like this, you
> > know you've been Bush-whacked.
>
>Maybe you should take another look at who voted how.  The Bushies
>dissented on this opinion.  Go figure.

Not surprising at all.  The Bush camp's court agenda is spearheaded by 
members of the Federalist Society which wants to roll back many of the SC's 
decisions of the early-mid 20th century (esp. the Social Security Act and 
the expansion of the Commerce Clause during FDR's reign).

Steve  




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From gil_hamilton at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 24 04:22:16 2005
From: gil_hamilton at hotmail.com (Gil Hamilton)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:22:16 +0000
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <c05dfd76a6e9c7a71c20a713d96e2221@melontraffickers.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F3057C0A7A9B251B493E5B8E6ED0@phx.gbl>

>From: "A.Melon" <juicy at melontraffickers.com>

>The principle of using the takings clause to transfer private property
>to private parties has already been approved by the Supremes.  This is
>but another variation.
>http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=467&invol=229

Interesting that the author of that opinion was O'Connor, who authored the 
*dissent* from this week's opinion.  Apparently, taking property from one 
private individual and giving it to another is fine with her if the one 
you're taking it from is a member of an (evil by definition) "oligopoly".

O'Connor's dissent in the recent case is full of hair-splitting about why 
this transfer isn't for public use while the other one was, but all of her 
arguments would have and should have applied to the earlier case as well.

There is a special place in Hell reserved for people like her who open the 
proverbial barn door and then proceed to complain when the whole herd 
stampedes through. The key word is "principles": O'Connor should find some 
and try applying them consistently.

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From gil_hamilton at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 24 04:30:01 2005
From: gil_hamilton at hotmail.com (Gil Hamilton)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:30:01 +0000
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <42BB94A7.8080506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F2143C1861F91AD7C7E5AACE6ED0@phx.gbl>

>From: Jay Listo <jay.listo at gmail.com>

>Well, once the Supreme Court starts coming up with stuff like this, you 
>know you've been Bush-whacked.

Yes, because so many of the current justices have been appointed by Bush...

...oh, wait....

(You might want to look at which justices joined this opinion and which 
dissented before you launch into an "Evil Republicans" rant.)

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From juicy at melontraffickers.com  Fri Jun 24 11:52:09 2005
From: juicy at melontraffickers.com (A.Melon)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:52:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050624095159.05335cb0@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <214fcbac792e159ea9bbbb047b8521c1@melontraffickers.com>

> At 10:19 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote:
> >On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Jay Listo wrote:
> >
> >> Well, once the Supreme Court starts coming up with stuff like this, you
> >> know you've been Bush-whacked.
> >
> >Maybe you should take another look at who voted how.  The Bushies
> >dissented on this opinion.  Go figure.
> 
> Not surprising at all.  The Bush camp's court agenda is spearheaded by 
> members of the Federalist Society which wants to roll back many of the SC's 
> decisions of the early-mid 20th century (esp. the Social Security Act and 
> the expansion of the Commerce Clause during FDR's reign).

The conservative justices happen to be correct about that. If there is
a need for expansion of federal power, the solution is to pass an
amendment, not to read into the commerce and general welfare clauses
what was never there.

If the judiciary keeps supporting both good and bad laws on the basis
of Congress's interstate commerce power, eventually something is going
to break. Either we're going to have a civil war or the judiciary is
going to have to start contradicting its earlier opinions.

We the people should start a campaign to pass amendments in these
various areas so that the Supreme Court can revise its earlier
opinions without placing laws like the Civil Rights Act completely in
jeopardy.

These are a few areas which amendments could target:
healthcare
limiting complexity of the tax code if not repealing the 16th A.
NBC weaps (chems def'd by LD50 and quantity for gases and liquids)
reiterating the 2nd amendment with the exception of any banned NBC
regulation of airspace up to a certain altitude
acknowledgment that the U.S. has no authority over outer space
civil rights - discrimination
clarifying property rights (in light of Kelo)

If we don't need or can't agree on amendments in those areas,
respective legislation must be nullified. The Kelo decision is simply
incorrect, so an amendment correcting it is virtually mandatory.

We have no right to healthcare or welfare, and laws granting either
are invalid. We have a right to make, buy and sell any weapons we
wish, and laws stating otherwise are invalid. We have a right not to
be discriminated against by the government, and by purely public
institutions, and at polls. We have no right to equal treatment by
private corporations or private individuals. We have a right to use
the EM spectrum as we wish, and we have a right to possess whatever
substances we want.

I don't like some of those facts, but they are facts. In order to
change them, there is no alternative except to pass constitutional
amendments. Otherwise, the government will continue on the path from
incoherence to collapse.




From jay.listo at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 22:05:43 2005
From: jay.listo at gmail.com (Jay Listo)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:05:43 +0700
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <20050623232820.E69928@ubzr.zsa.bet>
References: <BAY103-F228C4D0345F0FCB2CCD77B9BEA0@phx.gbl>
  <20050623232820.E69928@ubzr.zsa.bet>
Message-ID: <42BB94A7.8080506@gmail.com>

Well, once the Supreme Court starts coming up with stuff like this, you 
know you've been Bush-whacked.

J.A. Terranson wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Tyler Durden wrote:
>
>  
>
>>What this equates to is, whoever had more money than you can take away your
>>home. Previously, it was just the occasional men-with-guns that could do
>>this, but now they effectively have proxies everywhere.
>>    
>>
>
>It just makes formal (and official) what has existed for a long time.  The
>guy with the most money can do whatever the fuck s/he wants to, with no
>regard to any rule of law or social responsibility, and there isn't anyone
>who wants to change that.
>
>After all, if we really wanted to change it, it wouldn't be just four or
>five cpunks bitching on a now obsolete mailing list - it would be citizens
>with guns storming the halls of congresscritters.




From measl at mfn.org  Fri Jun 24 10:36:19 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:36:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050624000732.051c1b28@mail.comcast.net>
References: <BAY103-F228C4D0345F0FCB2CCD77B9BEA0@phx.gbl>   
  <20050623232820.E69928@ubzr.zsa.bet>  <42BB94A7.8080506@gmail.com>   
  <20050624001902.M69928@ubzr.zsa.bet>
  <6.0.1.1.0.20050624000732.051c1b28@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20050624123413.C60367@ubzr.zsa.bet>

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Steve Schear wrote:

> At 10:19 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote:
> >On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Jay Listo wrote:
> >
> > > Well, once the Supreme Court starts coming up with stuff like this, you
> > > know you've been Bush-whacked.
> >
> >Maybe you should take another look at who voted how.  The Bushies
> >dissented on this opinion.  Go figure.
>
> Not surprising at all.  The Bush camp's court agenda is spearheaded by
> members of the Federalist Society which wants to roll back many of the SC's
> decisions of the early-mid 20th century (esp. the Social Security Act and
> the expansion of the Commerce Clause during FDR's reign).

You're on crack.  They just expanded the Commerce Clause to it's logical
limits with the California medical maryjane case.  The Bushie agenda may
seem traditional reactionary on the surface, but look carefully and you;ll
see significant differences in modern neocon vs old family Nixon.

Shrub doesn't want Federalism, he wants full theocracy with a Federal
bent.

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org
0xBD4A95BF


"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public
plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to
the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always
be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by
predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."

Joseph Pulitzer
1907 Speech




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From measl at mfn.org  Fri Jun 24 16:02:51 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:02:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <214fcbac792e159ea9bbbb047b8521c1@melontraffickers.com>
References: <214fcbac792e159ea9bbbb047b8521c1@melontraffickers.com>
Message-ID: <20050624180043.B72164@ubzr.zsa.bet>

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, A.Melon wrote:

> > >Maybe you should take another look at who voted how.  The Bushies
> > >dissented on this opinion.  Go figure.
> >
> > Not surprising at all.  The Bush camp's court agenda is spearheaded by
> > members of the Federalist Society which wants to roll back many of the SC's
> > decisions of the early-mid 20th century (esp. the Social Security Act and
> > the expansion of the Commerce Clause during FDR's reign).
>
> The conservative justices happen to be correct about that. If there is
> a need for expansion of federal power, the solution is to pass an
> amendment, not to read into the commerce and general welfare clauses
> what was never there.

What the hell are all of you smoking?  This court has *talked* about
restricting inappropriate use of the commerce clause, but when it comes to
*doing*, they're 100% behind 100% Federal expansion *through* the Commerce
clause.

Doesn't anyboy actually LOOK at whats going on anymore, or are we all
fixated on what these slimballs *say*?

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org
0xBD4A95BF


"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public
plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to
the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always
be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by
predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."

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From shaddack at ns.arachne.cz  Fri Jun 24 09:11:34 2005
From: shaddack at ns.arachne.cz (Thomas Shaddack)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:11:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F280A7F44F3DA8841C8A44B9BEA0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F280A7F44F3DA8841C8A44B9BEA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0506241810220.14342@somehost.domainz.com>

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Tyler Durden wrote:

> How do you take out a bulldozer?

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Subject: [IP] CIA agents tracked through sloppy cellphone use.
Message-ID: <mailman.1237.1576007665.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From: demonfighter at gmail.com (Steve Furlong)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:47:25 -0400
Subject: Italy finally holds USA to the world standard!
In-Reply-To: <20050624172535.Y72164@ubzr.zsa.bet>
References: <20050624172535.Y72164@ubzr.zsa.bet>
Message-ID: <7d752ae3050624194768bc0968@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/24/05, J.A. Terranson <measl at mfn.org> wrote:
> http://www.masnet.org/news.asp?id=2560
> 
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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Sat Jun 25 02:24:24 2005
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 02:24:24 -0700
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050624095159.05335cb0@mail.comcast.net>
References: <6.0.1.1.0.20050624095159.05335cb0@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050625021732.02b845e0@pop.idiom.com>

It's an appalling decision, and as Alif says, it's nothing that hasn't
been happening for years already.  Sad to see it formalized, though.

Bush's favorite judges are radical activists when it comes to
interference with most civil rights, especially for non-citizens
or people outside US boundaries, or when it comes to letting the
Administration get away with whatever it wants,
but this case *is* about *property*, so that's as close
as they're going to get to an invitation to do the right thing.

(There was another case recently where Clarence Thomas
voted the right way; I don't remember the issue, but it surprised me.)

 > > How do you stop a bulldozer?
 > [various destructive options.]
Nah.  Paper.  Applied before the bulldozer heads to your property.
Occasionally you need it in mass quantities.

However, there are times you need to stop construction equipment
that's doing bad things - AT&T at least used to fly small planes
over our main cable routes, looking for backhoes that hadn't
checked in with the Don't Dig Here Center.
They'd drop them a package with some papers about
calling the Call Before You Dig people,
a couple of bribes (typically a pair of good work gloves
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Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] CIA agents tracked through sloppy
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From s.schear at comcast.net  Sat Jun 25 11:21:29 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:21:29 -0700
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <20050624123413.C60367@ubzr.zsa.bet>
References: <BAY103-F228C4D0345F0FCB2CCD77B9BEA0@phx.gbl> 
  <20050623232820.E69928@ubzr.zsa.bet>  <42BB94A7.8080506@gmail.com> 
  <20050624001902.M69928@ubzr.zsa.bet> 
  <6.0.1.1.0.20050624000732.051c1b28@mail.comcast.net> 
  <20050624123413.C60367@ubzr.zsa.bet>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050625105121.05393c60@mail.comcast.net>

At 10:36 AM 6/24/2005, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> > Not surprising at all.  The Bush camp's court agenda is spearheaded by
> > members of the Federalist Society which wants to roll back many of the SC's
> > decisions of the early-mid 20th century (esp. the Social Security Act and
> > the expansion of the Commerce Clause during FDR's reign).
>
>You're on crack.  They just expanded the Commerce Clause to it's logical
>limits with the California medical maryjane case.  The Bushie agenda may
>seem traditional reactionary on the surface, but look carefully and you;ll
>see significant differences in modern neocon vs old family Nixon.
>
>Shrub doesn't want Federalism, he wants full theocracy with a Federal
>bent.

Its true that he and many of is supporters are conservatives and not 
libertarians.  Perhaps I'm misrepresenting the essence of the Federalist 
Society also.  Its not clear that they adhere to a single strong ideology, 
but rather to a vague view of limited government and an 'originalist' 
interpretation of the 
Constitution.http://www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/fedsoc.htm But I can't think of 
a single case where the SC limited an important authority the government 
thought it had granted itself.  It seems such rollbacks historically only 
occur on the heels of major protests, threat or actual civil war. So it 
will be interesting if Bush gets to appoint some of the judges he desires 
on the SC and if this indeed leads to an eventual rollback of Commerce 
Clause interpretation.

For me an equal bone of contention is the very questionable passage of the 
14th Amendment.  Even worse than the lack of serious debate which 
surrounded the Patriot Act, the 14th was passed with Congress violating its 
own rules of majority and plurality.  They simply refused to allow already 
seated members into the chambers for the vote.  They also 'manipulated' the 
state voting results and neglected to send the result to the President, as 
Constitutionally required. When a case challenging the 14th was brought to 
the SC, it ruled that they had no authority to rule on Congresss' failure 
to follow the Constitutional processes.  A total cop-out.  But what did 
anyone expect with 500,000 Americans recently killed on the battle field to 
keep the Union together. When push comes to shove, the Constitution is only 
a piece of paper to those in power.

Lenny Bruce was certainly right when he said.. "In the halls of justice, 
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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Tue Jun 28 11:12:58 2005
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:12:58 -0700
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F32A11EFE51D8AD44A4C8A9BE10@phx.gbl>
References: <20050624180043.B72164@ubzr.zsa.bet> 
  <BAY103-F32A11EFE51D8AD44A4C8A9BE10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050628105951.02c19f68@pop.idiom.com>

>>What the hell are all of you smoking?  This court has *talked* about
>>restricting inappropriate use of the commerce clause, but when it comes to
>>*doing*, they're 100% behind 100% Federal expansion *through* the Commerce
>>clause.
>
>Well, ya' gotta a point there. Actually, I WISH I were smoking something.

California's medical marijuana laws allow you to use it for
just about any "medical condition" you can get a doctor to
prescribe it for, and there are doctors happy to oblige.
This set of mostly really bad decisions by the Supremes
is really stressing me out, so I'd better go get something to
help me manage the stress :-)

Eminent Domain decision looks really bad, though I haven't read it yet.
Brad Templeton suggested, though, that the Constitution does still
require just compensation, and that the obvious value of the
property that's taken is not just the value that the
property owner would have taken if he felt like moving out
and selling to another homeowner,
but the value that the private company would have had to pay
to get everybody they're stealing land from to sell out.
So it may still be possible to get paid decently by going to court.

The Medical Marijuana decision, while appallingly bad,
seemed pretty obvious - straight stare decisis from the
FDR-era decision that a farmer growing grain on his own land
to feed to his own hogs was still engaged in interstate commerce,
and therefore subject to FDR's agriculture quasi-nationalization rules.
If the Supremes had wanted to overturn that, they could have
done so (unlikely), or they could have decided that the case
was sufficiently different because it's about medicine and
not just commerce (also unlikely), but they didn't.
That's a problem with activist lawsuits - you need to have
the resources to win, or else you usually end up making the
legal situation worse for everybody than if you hadn't done it.

At first glance, the cable modem decision looks right, though;
haven't had time to read all the fine print yet.




From Helms.Candice at latin.com  Tue Jun 28 08:40:29 2005
From: Helms.Candice at latin.com (Amy Forbes)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:40:29 -0400
Subject: Listen closely-
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From jamesd at echeque.com  Tue Jun 28 13:09:31 2005
From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:09:31 -0700
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
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References: <6.0.1.1.0.20050624095159.05335cb0@mail.comcast.net>
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    --
> Bush's favorite judges are radical activists when it
> comes to interference with most civil rights

For the most part, it was conservative judges, judes
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 28 10:39:02 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:39:02 -0400
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <20050624180043.B72164@ubzr.zsa.bet>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F32A11EFE51D8AD44A4C8A9BE10@phx.gbl>

>What the hell are all of you smoking?  This court has *talked* about
>restricting inappropriate use of the commerce clause, but when it comes to
>*doing*, they're 100% behind 100% Federal expansion *through* the Commerce
>clause.
>
>Doesn't anyboy actually LOOK at whats going on anymore, or are we all
>fixated on what these slimballs *say*?

Well, ya' gotta a point there. Actually, I WISH I were smoking something.

But "saying" is at some point important. At least, prior to this a number of 
individual landholders might have been able to work together (ie, amass 
legal funds) to prevent the bulldozement of their properties by The Donald 
or whoever else's mouth has been watering recently. Now it just comes down 
to who can buy more guns: the poor or rich guys & their hired hands (ie, 
local government).

Also, it will probably end up being a kind of turning point. Now, knowing 
what the SC has decided, there are lots of plans going to drawing boards 
that have nice big fat red X's over low-income dwellings..."Don't worry 
about the new Brooklyn stadium, we'll just set off the ED roach bomb and 
clear 'em all out of there."

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From measl at mfn.org  Tue Jun 28 17:32:34 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:32:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Antisocial] Leaderless Resistance (fwd)
Message-ID: <20050628193149.F2768@ubzr.zsa.bet>

I figured this crosspost would make interesting reading for the folks
here.  Enjoy.

-- 
Yours,

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sysadmin at mfn.org
0xBD4A95BF


"Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public
plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to
the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always
be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by
predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty."

Joseph Pulitzer
1907 Speech

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:53:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: someguy at mfn.org
Reply-To: Antisocial <antisocial at mfn.org>
To: antisocial at mfn.org
Subject: [Antisocial] Leaderless Resistance

Interesting read.... Unfortunately this may come in handy very soon given
the way things are heading here.

http://reactor-core.org/leaderless-resistance.html

LEADERLESS RESISTANCE
by Louis Beam
published in The Seditionist #12, February 1992
written in 1983

The concept of Leaderless Resistance was proposed by Col. Ulius Louis
Amoss, who was the founder of International Service of Information
Incorporated, located in Baltimore, Maryland. Col. Amoss died more than
fifteen years ago, but during his life was a tireless opponent of
communism, as well as a skilled Intelligence Officer. Col. Amoss first
wrote of Leaderless Resistance on April 17, 1962. His theories of
organization were primarily directed against the threat of eventual
Communist take-over in the United States. The present writer, with the
benefit of having lived many years beyond Col. Amoss, has taken his
theories and expounded upon them. Col. Amoss feared the Communists. This
author fears the federal government. Communism now represents a threat to
no one in the United States, while federal tyranny represents a threat to
everyone . The writer has joyfully lived long enough to see the dying
breaths of communism, but may, unhappily, remain long enough to see the
last grasps of freedom in America.

In the hope that, somehow, America can still produce the brave sons and
daughters necessary to fight off ever increasing persecution and
oppression, this essay is offered. Frankly, it is too close to call at
this point. Those who love liberty, and believe in freedom enough to fight
for it are rare today, but within the bosom of every once great nation,
there remains secreted, the pearls of former greatness. They are there. I
have looked into their sparking eyes; sharing a brief moment in time with
them as I passed through this life. Relished their friendship, endured
their pain, and they mine. We are a band of brothers, native to the soil
gaining strength one from another as we have rushed head long into a
battle that all the weaker, timid men, say we can not win. Perhaps...but
then again, perhaps we can. It's not over till the last freedom fighter is
buried or imprisoned, or the same happens to those who would destroy their
freedom.

Barring any cataclysmic events, the struggle will yet go on for years. The
passage of time will make it clear to even the more slow among us that the
government is the foremost threat to the life, and liberty of the folk.
The government will no doubt make today's oppressiveness look like grade
school work compared to what they have planned in the future. Meanwhile,
there are those of us who continue to hope that somehow the few can do
what the many have not. We are cognizant that before things get better
they will certainly get worse as government shows a willingness to use
ever more severe police state measures against dissidents. This changing
situation makes it clear that those who oppose state repression must be
prepared to alter, adapt, and modify their behavior, strategy, and tactics
as circumstances warrant. Failure to consider new methods and implement
them as necessary will make the government's efforts at suppression
uncomplicated. It is the duty of every patriot to make the tyrant's life
miserable. When one fails to do so he not only fails himself, but his
people.

With this in mind, current methods of resistance to tyranny employed by
those who love our race, culture, and heritage must pass a litmus test of
soundness. Methods must be objectively measured as to their effectiveness,
as well as to whether they make the government's intention of repression
more possible or more difficult. Those not working to aid our objectives
must be discarded or the government benefits from our failure to do so.

As honest men who have banded together into groups or associations of a
political or religious nature are falsely labeled "domestic terrorists" or
"cultists" and suppressed, it will become necessary to consider other
methods of organization  or as the case may very well call for:
non-organization. One should keep in mind that it is not in the
government's interest to eliminate all groups. Some few must remain in
order to perpetuate the smoke and mirrors vision for the masses that
America is a "free democratic country" where dissent is allowed. Most
organizations, however, that possess the potential for effective
resistance will not be allowed to continue. Anyone who is so naive as to
believe the most powerful government on earth will not crush any who pose
a real threat to that power, should not be active, but rather, at home
studying political history.

The question as to who is to be left alone and who is not, will be
answered by how groups and individuals deal with several factors such as:
avoidance of conspiracy plots, rejection of feeble minded malcontents,
insistence upon quality of the participants, avoidance of all contact with
the front men for the federals  the news media  and, finally, camouflage
(which can be defined as the ability to blend in the public's eye the more
committed groups of resistance with mainstream "kosher" associations that
are generally seen as harmless.) Primarily though, whether any
organization is allowed to continue in the future will be a matter of how
big a threat a group represents. Not a threat in terms of armed might or
political ability, for there is none of either for the present, but
rather, threat in terms of potentiality. It is potential the federals fear
most. Whether that potential exists in an individual or group is
incidental. The federals measure potential threat in terms of what might
happen given a situation conducive to action on the part of a restive
organization or individual. Accurate intelligence gathering allows them to
assess the potential. Showing one's hand before the bets are made, is a
sure way to loose.

The movement for freedom is rapidly approaching the point where for many
people, the option of belonging to a group will be nonexistent. For
others, group membership will be a viable option for only the immediate
future. Eventually, and perhaps much sooner than most believe possible,
the price paid for membership will exceed any perceived benefit. But for
now, some of the groups that do exist often serve a useful purpose either
for the newcomer who can be indoctrinated into the ideology of the
struggle, or for generating positive propaganda to reach potential freedom
fighters. It is sure that, for the most part, this struggle is rapidly
becoming a matter of individual action, each of its participants making a
private decision in the quietness of his heart to resist: to resist by any
means necessary. It is hard to know what others will do, for no man truly
knows another man's heart. It is enough to know what one himself will do.
A great teacher once said "know thyself." Few men really do, but let each
of us, promise ourselves, not to go quietly to the fate our would-be
masters have planned.

The concept of Leaderless Resistance is nothing less than a fundamental
departure in theories of organization. The orthodox scheme of organization
is diagrammatically represented by the pyramid, with the mass at the
bottom and the leader at the top. This fundamental of organization is to
be seen not only in armies, which are of course, the best illustration of
the pyramid structure, with the mass of soldiery, the privates, at the
bottom responsible to corporals who are in turn responsible to sergeants,
and so on up the entire chain of command to the generals at the top. But
the same structure is seen in corporations, ladies' garden clubs and in
our political system itself. This orthodox "pyramid" scheme of
organization is to be seen basically in all existing political, social and
religious structures in the world today from the Federal government to the
Roman Catholic Church. The Constitution of the United States, in the
wisdom of the Founders, tried to sublimate the essential dictatorial
nature of pyramidal organization by dividing authority into three:
executive, legislative and judicial. But the pyramid remains essentially
untouched.

This scheme of organization, the pyramid, is however, not only useless,
but extremely dangerous for the participants when it is utilized in a
resistance movement against state tyranny. Especially is this so in
technologically advanced societies where electronic surveillance can often
penetrate the structure revealing its chain of command. Experience has
revealed over and over again that anti-state, political organizations
utilizing this method of command and control are easy prey for government
infiltration, entrapment, and destruction of the personnel involved. This
has been seen repeatedly in the United States where pro-government
infiltrators or agent provocateurs weasel their way into patriotic groups
and destroy them from within.

In the pyramid type of organization, an infiltrator can destroy anything
which is beneath his level of infiltration and often those above him as
well. If the traitor has infiltrated at the top, then the entire
organization from the top down is compromised and may be traduced at will.

An alternative to the pyramid type of organization is the cell system. In
the past, many political groups (both right and left) have used the cell
system to further their objectives. Two examples will suffice. During the
American Revolution "committees of correspondence" were formed throughout
the Thirteen colonies.

Their purpose was to subvert the government and thereby aid the cause of
independence. The "Sons of Liberty", who made a name for themselves
dumping government taxed tea into the harbor at Boston, were the action
arm of the committees of correspondence. Each committee was a secret cell
that operated totally independently of the other cells. Information on the
government was passed from committee to committee, from colony to colony,
and then acted upon on a local basis. Yet even in these bygone days of
poor communication, of weeks to months for a letter to be delivered, the
committees without any central direction whatsoever, were remarkable
similar in tactics employed to resist government tyranny. It was, as the
first American patriots knew, totally unnecessary for anyone to give an
order for anything. Information was made available to each committee, and
each committee acted as it saw fit. A recent example of the cell system
taken from the left wing of politics are the Communists. The Communist, in
order to get around the obvious problems involved in pyramidal
organization, developed to an art the cell system. They had numerous
independent cells which operated completely isolated from one another and
particularly with no knowledge of each other, but were orchestrated
together by a central headquarters. For instance, during World War II, in
Washington, it is known that there were at least six secret Communist
cells operating at high levels in the United States government (plus all
the open Communists who were protected and promoted by President
Roosevelt), however, only one of the cells was rooted out and destroyed.
How many more actually were operating no one can say for sure.

The Communist cells which operated in the U.S until late 1991 under Soviet
control could have at their command a leader, who held a social position
which appeared to be very lowly. He could be, for example, a busboy in a
restaurant, but in reality a colonel or a general in the Soviet Secret
Service, the KGB. Under him could be a number of cells and a person active
in one cell would almost never have knowledge of individuals who are
active in another cell. The value of this is that while any one cell can
be infiltrated, exposed or destroyed, such action will have no effect on
the other cells; in fact, the members of the other cells will be
supporting that cell which is under attack and ordinarily would lend very
strong support to it in many ways. This is at least part of the reason, no
doubt, that whenever in the past Communists were attacked in this country,
support for them sprang up in many unexpected places.

The efficient and effective operation of a cell system after the Communist
model, is of course, dependent upon central direction, which means
impressive organization, funding from the top, and outside support, all of
which the Communists had. Obviously, American patriots have none of these
things at the top or anywhere else, and so an effective cell organization
based upon the Soviet system of operation is impossible.

Two things become clear from the above discussion. First, that the pyramid
type of organization can be penetrated quite easily and it thus is not a
sound method of organization in situations where the government has the
resources and desire to penetrate the structure; which is the situation in
this country. Secondly, that the normal qualifications for the cell
structure based upon the Red model does not exist in the U.S. for
patriots. This understood, the question arises "What method is left for
those resisting state tyranny?" The answer comes from Col. Amoss who
proposed the "Phantom Cell" mode of organization. Which he described as
Leaderless Resistance. A system of organization that is based upon the
cell organization, but does not have any central control or direction,
that is in fact almost identical to the methods used by the Committees of
Correspondence during the American Revolution. Utilizing the Leaderless
Resistance concept, all individuals and groups operate independently of
each other, and never report to a central headquarters or single leader
for direction or instruction, as would those who belong to a typical
pyramid organization.

At first glance, such a type of organization seems unrealistic, primarily
because there appears to be no organization. The natural question thus
arises as to how are the "Phantom cells" and individuals to cooperate with
each other when there is no intercommunication or central direction? The
answer to this question is that participants in a program of Leaderless
Resistance through phantom cell or individual action must know exactly
what they are doing, and how to do it. It becomes the responsibility of
the individual to acquire the necessary skills and information as to what
is to be done. This is by no means as impractical as it appears, because
it is certainly true that in any movement, all persons involved have the
same general outlook, are acquainted with the same philosophy, and
generally react to given situations in similar ways. The pervious history
of the committees of correspondence during the American Revolution show
this to be true.

Since the entire purpose of Leaderless Resistance is to defeat state
tyranny (at least insofar as this essay is concerned), all members of
phantom cells or individuals will tend to react to objective events in the
same way through usual tactics of resistance. Organs of information
distribution such as newspapers, leaflets, computers, etc., which are
widely available to all, keep each person informed of events, allowing for
a planned response that will take many variations. No one need issue an
order to anyone. Those idealist truly committed to the cause of freedom
will act when they feel the time is ripe, or will take their cue from
others who precede them. While it is true that much could be said against
this type of structure as a method of resistance, it must be kept in mind
that Leaderless Resistance is a child of necessity. The alternatives to it
have been show to be unworkable or impractical. Leaderless Resistance has
worked before in the American Revolution, and if the truly committed put
it to use for themselves, it will work now.

It goes almost without saying that Leaderless Resistance leads to very
small or even one man cells of resistance. Those who join organizations to
play "let's pretend" or who are "groupies" will quickly be weeded out.
While for those who are serious about their opposition to federal
despotism, this is exactly what is desired.

>From the point of view of tyrants and would be potentates in the federal
bureaucracy and police agencies, nothing is more desirable than that those
who oppose them be UNIFIED in their command structure, and that every
person who opposes them belong to a pyramid type group. Such groups and
organizations are an easy kill. Especially in light of the fact that the
Justice (sic) Department promised in 1987 that there would never be
another group that opposed them that they did not have at least one
informer in. These federal "friends of government" are intelligence
agents. They gather information that can be used at the whim of a federal
D.A. to prosecute. The line of battle has been drawn. Patriots are
required therefore, to make a conscious decision to either aid the
government in its illegal spying, by continuing with old methods of
organization and resistance, or to make the enemie's job more difficult by
implementing effective countermeasures.

Now there will, no doubt, be mentally handicapped people out there who,
while standing at a podium with an American flag draped in the background,
and a lone eagle soaring in the sky above, will state emphatically in
their best sounding red, white, and blue voice, "So what if the government
is spying? We are not violating any laws." Such crippled thinking by any
serious person is the best example that there is a need for special
education classes. The person making such a statement is totally out of
contact with political reality in this country, and unfit for leadership
of any thing more than a dog sleigh in the Alaskan wilderness. The old
"Born on the fourth of July" mentality that has influenced so much of the
American patriot's thinking in the past will not save him from the
government in the future. "Reeducation" for non-thinkers of this type will
take place in the federal prison system where there are no flags or
eagles, but abundance of men who were "not violating any law."

Most groups who "unify" their disparate associates into a single structure
have short political lives. Therefore, those movement leaders constantly
calling for unity of organization rather than the desirable unity of
purpose, usually fall into one of three categories.

They may not be sound political tacticians, but rather, just committed men
who feel unity would help their cause, while not realizing that the
government would greatly benefit from such efforts. The Federal objective,
to imprison or destroy all who oppose them, is made easier in pyramid
organizations. Or perhaps, they do not fully understand the struggle they
are involved in and that the government they oppose has declared a state
of war against those fighting for faith, folk, freedom and constitutional
liberty. Those in power will use any means to rid themselves of
opposition. The third class calling for unity and let us hope this is the
minority of the three, are men more desirous of the supposed power that a
large organization would bestow, than of actually achieving their stated
purpose.

Conversely, the last thing Federal snoops would have, if they had any
choice in the matter, is a thousand different small phantom cells opposing
them. It is easy to see why. Such a situation is an intelligence nightmare
for a government intent upon knowing everything they possibly can about
those who oppose them. The Federals, able to amass overwhelming strength
of numbers, manpower, resources, intelligence gathering, and capability at
any given time, need only a focal point to direct their anger. A single
penetration of a pyramid type of organization can lead to the destruction
of the whole. Whereas, Leaderless Resistance presents no single
opportunity for the Federals to destroy a significant portion of the
Resistance.

With the announcement by the Department of Justice (sic) that 300 FBI
agents formerly assigned to watching Soviet spies in the US (domestic
counter intelligence) are now to be used to "combat crime", the federal
government is preparing the way for a major assault upon those persons
opposed to their policies. Many anti-government groups dedicated to the
preservation of the America of our forefathers can expect shortly to feel
the brunt of a new federal assault upon liberty.

It is clear, therefore, that it is time to rethink traditional strategy
and tactics when it comes to opposing a modern police state. America is
quickly moving into a long dark night of police state tyranny, where the
rights now accepted by most as being inalienable will disappear. Let the
coming night be filled with a thousand points of resistance. Like the fog
which forms when conditions are right and disappears when they are not, so
must the resistance to tyranny be.

This document is provided for reference purposes only. Statements in this
document do not reflect the opinions of Reactor Core staff or Jonathan
Walther. If you find ought to disagree with, that is as it ought be. Train
your mind to test every thought, ideology, train of reasoning, and claim
to truth. There is no justice when even a single voice goes unheard. (1
Thessalonians 5:21, 1 John 4:1-3, John 14:26, John 16:26, Revelation
12:10, Proverbs 14:15, Proverbs 18:13)

-- 
"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost
every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from
authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but
have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions
about them were not worth a brass farthing."

--Mark Twain

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More inspiration from Mr. Beam...

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Revolutionary Majorities
An Essay by Louis Beam

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      "Revolutionary Majorities" -- Part One

      If citizens of this country ever again enjoy the blessings of liberty
and true freedom, it will not be the result of a majority of its citizens
having risen up in righteous indignation at governmental abuse of
themselves and their culture. If a restoration of the Constitution of our
forbearers occurs - with all that this implies - it will probably not be
because a plurality of citizens fought for it, supported it, or cared one
way or another. If lawful government is reestablished it will come about
because a revolutionary majority makes it happen.

      Within the American historical experience a revolutionary majority may
be defined as any number of citizens sufficient to initiate general
hostilities against a destructive government.

      The American Revolution of 1776 defines the term, sets the precedent
and provides the example for patriots of today.

      Throughout most of the Revolutionary War, those patriots who were
seeking to overthrow the government lacked support of over two-thirds of
their fellow citizens. John Adams, one of the "radicals" in favor of the
Revolution and who was later to become the second President of the United
States, stated that depending on how the war was going, those fighting for
freedom had the opposition of from a third to two thirds of the people.
Others like Pennsylvania delegate to the Continental Congress Joseph
Galloway was sure that four-fifths of the people "were or wanted to be,
loyal to the King." (Galloway eventually sided with the Loyalists, as those
who supported the King's government were called.) Colonel London Carter, a
member of the Virginia aristocracy and a strong patriot, stated in his
diary in March of 1776 (but a bare three months before the signing of the
Declaration of Independence) that an observer of events in the Northern
colonies was sure "nine-tenths of the people are violently against it"
(independence).

      The exact number of "the friends of government", as the patriots
disparagingly referred to those who opposed the Revolution, cannot be
stated with accuracy. As John Adams indicated, the number was in a constant
state of flux, depending on political events and who was winning in the
armed conflict. One thing is certain, however; the American Revolution was
anything but a broad-based popular uprising of a disaffected people.
Rather, it was a very unpopular rebellion of a politically radical minority
who, because they possessed a clear understanding of the rights of man
coupled with a deep concern for the state of relative personal freedom,
were able to perceive the shackles of tyranny prior to their being
presented for fastening. This discernment of tyranny at a distance not only
set them apart from their fellow man but constrained them to rebel.

      The radical political leaders of the Revolution such as John Adams,
Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George
Washington, Richard Henry Lee, John Hancock, and Joseph Warren, to name but
a few of the more well known, had to conduct their struggle for freedom in
the face of disapprobation and rejection by their peers before the time of
actual armed conflict, and after its commencement to charges and cries of
"incendiaries and traitors." Indeed "the friends of government" knew little
restraint when it came to condemning the Republic's Founders. The Loyalists
called Washington, among other things; a liar, perjurer, murderer,
blasphemer, criminal, traitor, patron of villainy, and a villain's chief.
The other Founders fared little better and were variously referred to as
being dregs, illiberal (sic!) and violent men, despicable wretches,
bandits, rude, and depraved. While thus labeled by "respectable citizens,"
these men led the country toward rebellion.

      Correspondingly, the Founders had an analogous movement among the
common people which, although the objective of overthrowing the government
was the same, the methods were those resorted to by people in every age
when faced with overpowering force of all-powerful government, namely, mob
action, riots, uprisings, midnight forays, and harassment, intimidation, or
terroristic acts directed against governmental supporters. All of these and
other acts came under the single heading of patriotism so far as their
perpetrators were concerned.

      After a review of non-battlefield hostilities, it becomes apparent
that the American Revolution was won more by mob action than by armed
conflict! Thus, any idea that the Revolution was won in an ordeal of battle
is out of place in view of the facts.

      During the entire length of the armed conflict from 1775 to 1781, the
King's armies lost only 1,512 men killed in battle; this seven-year,
battle-death casualty rate was exceeded by Union forces at Cold Harbor in
1864 during the first eight minutes of a single engagement. The King's
armies had previously lost far larger numbers of men in the Seven Years War
(French and Indian Wars) yet pressed on to victory. An adequate explanation
then of the patriots' final triumph over the government must be provided by
other than a military victory.

      An answer, in great part, lies in the violence and vigilante action
carried on by the patriots against the government and its supporters!
Though most Americans today are familiar with the Boston Tea Party, few
know much about the secret organization that conducted it, the Sons of
Liberty. Led by Samuel Adams, John Hancock, Dr. Warren ("the greatest
incendiary of them all"), and Paul Revere, they met in secret, dressed in
disguises, and carried out vigilante actions under the cover of darkness.
This revolutionary Ku Klux Klan was as much dreaded by "the friends of
government" as its ideological offspring, the Klan, ever was by unruly
Blacks. The Sons of Liberty and other similar groups were responsible,
during the course of the conflict for independence, for causing tens of
thousands of Loyalist to flee the country (the Klan was usually satisfied
with merely running undesirables out of the county).

      The means were simple and effective. Terror and intimidation were
directed against the Loyalists. Methods used to create these twin scourges
of "the friends of government" included, but were not limited to,
whippings, coats of tar and feathers, banishment, church burnings (if run
by a Loyalist preacher or used for a Loyalist meeting place), confiscation
of property, and wherever deemed necessary - death of any one of several
reliable methods.

      Other patriotic groups formed throughout the thirteen colonies to
carry on a relentless persecution of "the friends of government." Each
organization operated independently of the other though often exchanged
information on Loyalists.

      Often these ad hoc associations went by the name of "Committees of
Public Safety," though the name as well as the tactics employed varied from
place to place. Thus in the colony of New York, the patriots bluntly called
themselves "the oppressors of the friends of government" and stated proudly
that they tarred and feathered governmental supporters with the "decorum
that ought to be preserved in public punishments." Boston had its
mysterious "Joyce Junior" who led a group of Knight Riders and enforcers
who saw to it that those who did not display the necessary revolutionary
mentality were properly punished. The rebel Continental Congress
established "associations," whose purpose was to locate the Loyalists and
turn their names over to the local vigilante to be dealt within the manner
they deemed proper. In every colony, if the accusation was one of giving
information to government agents, the traitor to liberty was hanged by the
neck or dealt with in some other terminally appropriate manner.

      Even religious leaders were not exempt from the patriotic purges that
cleansed away supporters of the king. Preachers who failed to support the
cause of liberty (or who had forgotten that David slew Goliath rather than
turning the other cheek) were run out of town on a rail in the glowing
light of the flames from their quickly disappearing church. This was
considered leniency, others were forced to flee to England or Canada in
fear of their lives.

      By the end of the conflict in 1781, for every government Red-Coat
killed on the battlefield, seventy Loyalists had been driven from their
homes and forced to settle in England or Canada, totaling over one hundred
thousand people.

      The government and its "friends" accused the revolutionary freedom
fighters (whom they often called "the Sons of Anarchy") of "committing the
most shocking outrages" and of "daily invasions upon private property"
while led by men who were "well known incendiaries and traitors," whose
chief purpose in life was to commit "crimes against the Constitutional
authority of the State" (historically, government's which have oppressed
and abused their citizens justify their actions based on the "law" or
"Constitutional authority").

      No doubt, had the effort to overthrow the government been
unsuccessful, the Founding Fathers and their citizen supporters would have
been hanged by "the friends of government," as the very worst sort of
traitors and terrorists.

      In summary of the American Revolution, while Washington's determined
and skillful leadership of the army, no doubt made victory possible, it did
not assure it. The Spirit of '76 - a massive campaign of terror directed by
patriotic citizens against all those who supported the government was the
deciding factor that brought freedom to America.

      American Constitutional liberty was born in mob pressure, fostered by
secret societies, nurtured during seven years of intimidating violence, and
institutionalized at the expense of well over a hundred thousand people.
With this American history in mind, one who is faithful to the ideas of the
Founding Fathers of this nation can have nothing but contempt and suspicion
of the motives (or ignorance) of those people both within and without the
government who would condemn citizens of today "for taking the law into
their own hands" in defense of their rights.

      Had those who desired liberty in 1776 waited until a numerical
majority of their fellow citizens were ready to "wake-up" (as the saying is
today) to fight for the overthrow of the government, or had they hesitated
in the use of "illegal" force and violence (force and violence are never
legal except when used by those in power) against their governmental
enemies, they would have all died in their old age as law-abiding subjects
of the King - minus their freedom.

      Patriots of 1775 considered the sympathies of less than a third of the
people sufficient to begin general hostilities against their oppressors.
Herein lies the historical context of the American revolutionary majority.
It has been wisely said that those who do not know and understand history
can repeat its successes.

      In America today, the manacles of slavery and destruction once forged
in London by the King are now forged in Washington. Acts of tyranny are
carried out in the name of the federal government rather than in the name
of the Throne. The vicious enforcers of dictatorial policies often call
themselves F.B.I. or I.R.S. agents instead of his Royal Majesty's troops or
tax collectors of the Realm. Substituting for the Redcoats of the British
are the "bluecoats" of the bureaucrats and in far greater numbers. Though
babblings for "the divine rights" of kings to rule have ceased, modern
fools prattle of "democratic majorities" composed of an illiterate
electorate enfranchised for the purpose of dispossessing the descendants of
the Founders. While different in nomenclature the end results are exactly
the same - the dark, cold, tight chains of slavery.

      A numerical majority of today's citizens cannot read these footprints
of tyranny nor understand where they lead. In this they are no different
than their counterparts of 200 years ago. Modern governments have mass
communications to subtly guide the thinking of their subjects; thus is seen
the phenomenon of today's citizen rushing forth to place the cuffs of
bondage upon his own wrist by irrationally clamoring (as he has been
indoctrinated) for more laws and government to solve problems created by an
excess of both. This mental inversion, whereby the citizen willfully aids
in efforts to subjugate himself, is of no small import for those who
treasure their liberty. The implications are many, but the consequences
could be singular: a governmentally programmed democratic majority may, as
they dance along to mental tunes played by an electronic band of
orchestrated communication, gleefully drag down (with their self-fastened
chains) everyone else in the black hole of oblivion.

      Only one thing seems capable of closing the yawning mouth of the pit
and that is the formation of a new revolutionary majority coupled with
resurrection of the Spirit of '76. Anything short of this seems certain to
pass on to today's children an increasingly difficult task of freeing
themselves from transistorized chains of governmental control. Such a
legacy is the bequeathal of cowards, not free men.

      The first American Revolutionists accused those who ruled them of
excessive taxation, interference with property rights, illegal search and
seizure, not protecting the citizens from incursions by several thousand
Indians, policies destructive of the general welfare, and "altering
fundamentally the form of our government," among other things.

      Today the federal government taxes its subjects for forty percent of
their income, instead of the three percent (less than a dollar twenty a
year) tax of the King; interferes with the ownership and use of virtually
every description of property; authorizes everything from game wardens to
I.R.S. agents to search, arrest, or seize property without a warrant. It
allows fifteen million aliens to illegally cross its borders in less than a
ten-year period; and conducts a policy of systematic extermination of its
young men through no-win wars, and subjects the Founders' children to
enforced equality. Each of the acts, individually amounts to altering
fundamentally the form and purpose for which the federal government was
created. Taken as a whole, they are a cry for - nay - a demand for, a new
campaign of terror conducted against the government and its friends in the
great American tradition of 1776.

      "Revolutionary Majorities" -- Part Two

      An examination of the depth and magnitude of policies fostered by
federal rulers detrimental to the people of present day America make the
abuses of the English King's government pale into insignificance. One thing
is clear; comparison of the criminal acts of the two governments makes
those who value their liberty and freedom long for the bitter days of
English despotism.

      While there are many similarities between the first American
Revolution and the second (coming soon at a place near you), there are also
significant differences.

      The first and paramount dissimilarity is that while our heroic
Forefathers fought to overthrow their legally constituted government and
were thus revolutionaries in the truest sense of the word, those who seek
to break the quickly tightening bands of servitude today war against an
illegal government that imposes itself upon the people under the color of
the law. By the Washington regime's disobedience to and violation of the
bonds of the Constitution, established by the Founders of this country, it
has made of itself an unlawful body with no more right to govern the
American people than has the present Queen of England. That the government
survives despite the crimes it has committed is explainable only because
the atrocities it systematically imposes are papered over with a veneer of
legality. Propaganda that numbs the mind keeps people from rising against
those who abuse them.

      There is no law in this country - other than power, which currently
rests with the Pirates of the Potomac, who pose as our lawful government
while using over powering force to quell those who resist their destructive
policies. The Constitutional Revolutionist of today is actually fighting
for a transfer of power from those who can make no legitimate claim to
power, to those who inherently hold it as a natural right - the lawful
citizens of this country.

      Another salient difference between the first American Revolution and
the second is the contrast between the quality of the people of then and
now. Our ancestors were strong men, who stated often that they were
resolved "to die as free men rather than live as slaves." They were
conditioned to doing their own thinking while at the same time ever holding
before themselves the guiding lights of honor and duty.

      Today, raised in the lap of luxury, many people gladly exchange their
freedom for the right to accumulate material possessions. Not one person in
fifty can truthfully state that his opinions are the result of independent
research rather than the mindless acquisition of pre-programmed "opinions"
obtained by indulging in endless hours of obeisant T.V. watching (that
modern day golden calf of those lost in the mental wilderness). Further,
most Americans do not know the meanings nor values of honor and duty, the
two great concepts of higher man.

      It is quite clear that the virtue of the present generation has
declined to such a miserable degree that most people will never voluntarily
help to make themselves free. Consequently they will have to be made to
make themselves free.

      A great objective of revolutionary majorities is that of thrusting
freedom upon those who are too weak to make themselves free while providing
its blessings for the stronger, more noble elements of the race. This is
done in the firm belief that under sound government, future generations
will be naturally healthy in mind and spirit. The revolutionary patriot
benignantly grants freedom to others while establishing framework that will
allow posterity to be both free and strong. Other than the "great
commission" of the Lord, no calling is as exalted or as honorable. These
two significant differences - one of law, one of character - between the
first struggle for freedom and the present one is deserving of substantial
thought and analysis by those capable of so doing. Consider what type of
self-preserving behavior can be expected from a government that already
wades to its knees in the blood of young men deliberately sacrificed to the
false god of Internationalism. Were the government really intent on
opposing Communism, it would start a war in Washington and work its way to
Vietnam. What behavior can be expected from a people who willingly pass
their sons through the fire to be consumed? Each of these concepts deserve
most careful examination.

      Opposing the federal purveyors of mass murder and the "the friends of
government" who make such perfidy possible are men who trace their
political lineage to times of Magna Carta, and who are mental as well as
physical descendants of the Founding Fathers. They believe, as did their
forbearers, that government is a social contract entered into by people of
a similar mind for their mutual benefit. This agency created by the people
can only, legitimately, be their servant - never their master. Further, it
cannot possess lawful authority to deprive those who create it (or their
heirs) of natural rights. In normal times men who arrayed themselves
against the criminal acts of government would be called Constitutionalists,
but "these are the times that try mens souls" as well as test their
courage. Thus contemporary patriots become known as Constitutional
Revolutionists determined to overthrow every vestige of unlawful government
doing so with a firm belief that honor demands and duty requires the
reestablishment of the law of their fathers.

      It can be realized then, that those who remain guilty of loyalty to
the present illegal government in the District of Columbia are chargeable
with treason to the Constitution of the United States and deserving the
same fate of their historical predecessors who, in the name of the King,
trampled upon sacred rights of Englishmen in 1776.

      It should be stated in their defense, however, that most of those who
are participants in this odious transgression against the good of our noble
forbearers do so in complete ignorance of the law. Having obtained
ninety-five percent of their misinformation from government licensed T.V.
and the remaining five percent from conversations with others who are also
completely maladroit at obtaining facts on their own, they are victims of
methodical thought control which began during their childhood and has been
continued at a subliminal level throughout their lives.

      Though no doubt the maxim "ignorance of the law is no excuse for its
violation" makes these people criminals, the mitigating circumstances of
their lawlessness should be considered by those who are seeking to
reestablish lawful rule in this country.

      A period of grace, commensurable with what the struggle will allow, is
in order, thus providing the present supporters of unlawful government an
opportunity to defect as they became cognizant of the law.

      By this fraternal act to the erring members of our race we serve not
only the interest of justice but, at whatever point in time the grace
period is of necessity terminated, all excuse for collaboration with the
enemy will have been removed. Having held long aloft the olive branch of
peace and forgiveness, no just complaint can be made by those who failed to
avail themselves of it, when with the other hand, the terrible swift sword
of vindication falls upon their necks.

      Even after the patriots of today have invoked "the Spirit of '76," and
have successfully dammed the Mississippi with rotting corpses of the lying
politicians, criminal bureaucrats, racial traitors, communists, assorted
degenerates, cultural distorters, and those who resist the implementation
of lawful Constitutional government, these patriots will have exhibited far
more restraint and benevolence than the present government of the United
States. For while Constitutionalists of today war against those guilty of
the most heinous crimes upon our people, usurpers in Washington destroy in
mind and wherever possible the bodies of those guilty of nothing more than
having white skin.

      Coalescing within America today is a second revolutionary majority
whose members in the spirit of their forbearers are resolved to die as free
men rather than to live as slaves. Like their noble ancestors, today's
revolutionary majority must fight for the children of carping critics just
as fiercely as for their own families. Emulating its predecessor, obedience
is given only to the dictates of the code of natural law. For once again
the enemies of liberty use the law of the nation as their shield - yea -
even their justification for destroying freedom of the people. A government
exceeding the power granted by their fathers - they are not bound to obey
but bound to resist.

      John Adams said, that "freedom is a counter balance for poverty,
discord, and war," and that if the revolutionary struggle failed, it would
be because moderates tried to find a "middle ground" and to conduct "half a
war," for freedom. Likewise, today's tired voices are heard calling for
politics as usual - moderation as always. Such thinking has allowed
generations to die in chains in former times and will so again if adhered to.

      The age of the conservative like that of the dinosaur, has ended. Now
begins a new age, destiny calls for her great men who by their iron will
alter the pages of history from that of a tale of shame, cowardice, and
decline, to a saga of glory, bravery, and rebirth. Soon, very soon, we will
have a revolutionary majority...

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-Pink Floyd "Sheep"

Harmlessly passing your time in the grassland away;
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air.
You better watch out,
There may be dogs about
I've looked over Jordan, and I have seen
Things are not what they seem.

What do they get for pretending the danger's not real.
Meek and obedient you follow the leader
Down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel.
What a surprise!
A look of terminal shock in your eyes.
Now things are really what they seem.
No, this is no bad dream.

The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want
He makes me down to lie
Through pastures green He leadeth me the silent waters by.
With bright knives He releaseth my soul.
He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places.
He converteth me to lamb cutlets,
For lo, He hath great power, and great hunger.
When cometh the day we lowly ones,
Through quiet reflection, and great dedication
Master the art of karate,
Lo, we shall rise up,
And then we'll make the bugger's eyes water.

Bleating and babbling we fell on his neck with a scream.
Wave upon wave of demented avengers
March cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.

Have you heard the news?
The dogs are dead!
You better stay home
And do as you're told.
Get out of the road if you want to grow old.

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Secrecy is the cornerstone of all tyranny.  Not force, but secrecy... 
censorship.  When any government, or any church, for that matter, 
undertakes to say to its subjects, "This you may not read, this you must 
not see, this you are forbidden to know," the end result is tyranny and 
oppression, no matter how holy the motives.  Mightily little force is 
needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked; Contrariwise, no amount of 
force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free.  No, not the rack, 
not fission bombs, not anything.  You cannot conquer a free man; The most 
you can do is kill him.

-Robert A. Heinlein, Revolt in 2100

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From: baudmax23 at stoweaccess.com (baudmax)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:23:19 -0400
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
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From juicy at melontraffickers.com  Thu Jun 30 12:32:34 2005
From: juicy at melontraffickers.com (A.Melon)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:32:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F37F7E0F0EE7D22182B5DA29BE30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a5d69e324df379ea7458b52792d0968d@melontraffickers.com>

> Well, James Dobson (right wing Christian evangelical) is targeting some of 
> these same judges, so I don't think the Democrat & Republican division 
> you're pointing to here is all that valid. In other words, some of those 
> same judges are hated by the right.

Thomas in particular is hated by the Right, but everyone, left, right,
and center hates the majority decision in Kelo.  Polls on major news
sites indicate 1-3% support for the decision.

The question is not whether there's a division -- of course there is --
but whether liberals are upset enough about this decision to turn
against justices who mostly support the modern liberal paradigm.

> >From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd at echeque.com>
> >To: cypherpunks at jfet.org, Bill Stewart <bill.stewart at pobox.com>
> >Subject: Re: Private Homes may be taken for public good
> >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:09:31 -0700
> >
> >    --
> >> Bush's favorite judges are radical activists when it
> >> comes to interference with most civil rights
> >
> >For the most part, it was conservative judges, judes
> >hated by the democrats with insane extravagance, that
> >voted for against this decision.
> >
> >Bush's favorite judge is probably Thomas, who voted
> >against this decision.




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 30 09:52:31 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:52:31 -0400
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <42C14C0B.24051.2766CAA@localhost>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F37F7E0F0EE7D22182B5DA29BE30@phx.gbl>

Well, James Dobson (right wing Christian evangelical) is targeting some of 
these same judges, so I don't think the Democrat & Republican division 
you're pointing to here is all that valid. In other words, some of those 
same judges are hated by the right.

-TD

>From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd at echeque.com>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org, Bill Stewart <bill.stewart at pobox.com>
>Subject: Re: Private Homes may be taken for public good
>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:09:31 -0700
>
>     --
> > Bush's favorite judges are radical activists when it
> > comes to interference with most civil rights
>
>For the most part, it was conservative judges, judes
>hated by the democrats with insane extravagance, that
>voted for against this decision.
>
>Bush's favorite judge is probably Thomas, who voted
>against this decision.
>
>
>     --digsig
>          James A. Donald
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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:00:59 -0100
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 30 10:13:36 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:13:36 -0400
Subject: "Live Free or Die"
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050628212012.02e04d98@localhost>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F1037F01265DDAFA627D9FA9BE30@phx.gbl>

Ya' knew that had to happen!

Funny but, reading it, it seems like it would be fairly easy to convince the 
Town board of 5 people that this is a good idea, and from an economic 
standpoint it just might be!. In much of New Hampshire any revenue at all 
from something like this is going to benefit the local township: The barrier 
to entry is very low.

Funny to think that Souter has "Live Free or Die" on his license plates.

-TD




>From: baudmax <baudmax23 at stoweaccess.com>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Re: Private Homes may be taken for public good
>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:23:19 -0400
>
>The proposed taking through eminent domain, of S.C. Justice David Souter's 
>home, for the more profitable use as a 'Lost Liberty Hotel' and 'Just 
>Deserts Cafe'...
>
>http://www.freestarmedia.com/hotellostliberty2.html
>
>
>
>
>---
>Secrecy is the cornerstone of all tyranny.  Not force, but secrecy... 
>censorship.  When any government, or any church, for that matter, 
>undertakes to say to its subjects, "This you may not read, this you must 
>not see, this you are forbidden to know," the end result is tyranny and 
>oppression, no matter how holy the motives.  Mightily little force is 
>needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked; Contrariwise, no amount of 
>force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free.  No, not the rack, 
>not fission bombs, not anything.  You cannot conquer a free man; The most 
>you can do is kill him.
>
>-Robert A. Heinlein, Revolt in 2100
>
>---
>Smash The State! mailing list home
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smashthestate
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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Thu Jun 30 16:50:18 2005
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:50:18 -0700
Subject: Private Homes may be taken for public good
In-Reply-To: <a5d69e324df379ea7458b52792d0968d@melontraffickers.com>
References: <BAY103-F37F7E0F0EE7D22182B5DA29BE30@phx.gbl> 
  <a5d69e324df379ea7458b52792d0968d@melontraffickers.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050630164813.0298f508@pop.idiom.com>

At 12:32 PM 6/30/2005, A.Melon wrote:
> > Well, James Dobson (right wing Christian evangelical) is targeting some of
> > these same judges, so I don't think the Democrat & Republican division
> > you're pointing to here is all that valid. In other words, some of those
> > same judges are hated by the right.
>
>Thomas in particular is hated by the Right, but everyone, left, right,
>and center hates the majority decision in Kelo.  Polls on major news
>sites indicate 1-3% support for the decision.

Well, sure.  At least 1-3% of the people in the country
work for town governments and/or shopping mall developers
who get to benefit from this kind of abuse.

It's really strange to have a week where not only does the
Supreme Court make a bunch of rabidly evil decisions,
but Rehnquist and Thomas are on the correct side of several of them.
Hope the old bastard can hang on long enough until either
Bush is out of office or at least the Senate gets a few more Democrats,
because Bush is unlikely to propose somebody even as principled
as these right-wing zealots.




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From: Silver.Miranda at slomail.com (Randall Houser)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:02:59 -0200
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