From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  1 07:54:26 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:54:26 -0400
Subject: [Clips] Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda
  websites are  wiped out
In-Reply-To: <p062309babf11efb365c4@[68.167.57.91]>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F26A2D679BAA62F7B7126749BC30@phx.gbl>

Gee, that's great. A global organization that has taken the task of 
worldwide censorship into its sweaty little hands.

Did the google cache'd versions of these sites dissappear too?

Tor networks, anyone?

-TD

>From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>To: cryptography at metzdowd.com, cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [Clips] Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda   
>websites are wiped out
>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:02:53 -0400
>
>--- begin forwarded text
>
>
>  Delivered-To: clips at philodox.com
>  Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:01:38 -0400
>  To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
>  From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>  Subject: [Clips] Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda 
>websites
>   are wiped out
>  Reply-To: rah at philodox.com
>  Sender: clips-bounces at philodox.com
>
>  <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-523-1715166-523,00.html>
>
>  The Times of London
>
>  July 31, 2005
>
>  Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda websites are wiped out
>  Over the past fortnight Israeli intelligence agents have noticed 
>something
>  distinctly odd happening on the internet. One by one, Al-Qaeda's 
>affiliated
>  websites have vanished until only a handful remain, write Uzi Mahnaimi 
>and
>  Alex Pell.
>
>  Someone has cut the line of communication between the spiritual leaders 
>of
>  international terrorism and their supporters. Since 9/11 the websites 
>have
>  been the main links to disseminate propaganda and information.
>
>  The Israelis detect the hand of British intelligence, determined to 
>torpedo
>  the websites after the London attacks of July 7.
>
>  The web has become the new battleground of terrorism, permitting a 
>freedom
>  of communication denied to such organisations as the IRA a couple of
>  decades ago.
>
>  One global jihad site terminated recently was an inflammatory Pakistani
>  site, www.mojihedun.com, in which a section entitled How to Strike a
>  European City gave full technical instructions. Tens of similar sites, 
>some
>  offering detailed information on how to build and use biological weapons,
>  have also been shut down. However, Islamic sites believed to be 
>"moderate",
>  remain.
>
>  One belongs to the London-based Syrian cleric Abu Basir al-Tartusi, whose
>  www.abubaseer.bizland.com remained operative after he condemned the 
>London
>  bombings.
>
>  However, the scales remain weighted in favour of global jihad, the first
>  virtual terror organisation. For all the vaunted spying advances such as
>  tracking mobile phones and isolating key phrases in telephone
>  conversations, experts believe current technologies actually play into 
>the
>  hands of those who would harm us.
>
>  "Modern technology puts most of the advantages in the hands of the
>  terrorists. That is the bottom line," says Professor Michael Clarke, of
>  King's College London, who is director of the International Policy
>  Institute.
>
>  Government-sponsored monitoring systems, such as Echelon, can track vast
>  amounts of data but have so far proved of minimal benefit in preventing, 
>or
>  even warning, of attacks. And such systems are vulnerable to 
>manipulation:
>  low-ranking volunteers in terrorist organisations can create background
>  chatter that ties up resources and maintains a threshold of anxiety. 
>There
>  are many tricks of the trade that give terrorists secure digital
>  communication and leave no trace on the host computer.
>
>  Ironically, the most readily available sources of accurate online
>  information on bomb-making are the websites of the radical American
>  militia. "I have not seen any Al-Qaeda manuals that look like genuine
>  terrorist training," claims Clarke.
>
>  However, the sobering message of many security experts is that the
>  terrorists are unlikely ever to lose a war waged with technology.
>
>  --
>  -----------------
>  R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
>  The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
>  44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
>  "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
>  [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
>  experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
>  _______________________________________________
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>  Clips at philodox.com
>  http://www.philodox.com/mailman/listinfo/clips
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>--- end forwarded text
>
>
>--
>-----------------
>R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
>The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
>44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
>"When the hares made speeches in the assembly and demanded that all should
>have equality, the lions replied, "Where are your claws and teeth?"  --
>attributed to Antisthenes in Aristotle, 'Politics', 3.7.2




From Ari at OLTECO.com  Mon Aug  1 11:22:16 2005
From: Ari at OLTECO.com (Ari Ollikainen)
Date: August 1, 2005 11:22:16 AM EDT
Subject: US-VISIT RFID passes @ 3 US-CDN border xings beginning 8/4/05
Message-ID: <mailman.1254.1576007666.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


    For IP...


High-tech border pass raises alarm

Friday, July 29, 2005 - 07:00

Local News - By Jennifer Pritchett
Whig-Standard Staff Writer

Kingston's closest U.S. border crossing will employ high-tech radio
frequency technology to monitor visitors from other countries who
want to enter the States from Canada - a move that alarms both a
Kingston privacy expert and an immigration specialist.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security said this week that the
crossing between Lansdowne and Alexandria Bay, N.Y., will be one of
three Canada-U.S. land borders to require non-Canadians to carry
wireless devices as part of a pilot project.

Travellers will be required to carry the devices as of Aug. 4.

The technology is part of US-VISIT, a billion-dollar anti-terrorism
initiative launched last December that has kept about 700 criminals,
including one posing as a Canadian, out of the States.

US-VISIT uses biometric information from photos and fingerprints
taken from non-Canadians at border crossings to track residents from
other countries who enter the U.S.

Canadian citizens are the only people in the world exempt from US-VISIT.

Travellers required to use the technology include landed immigrants
living in Canada, Canadian citizens who are either engaged to a U.S.
citizen or who have applied for a special business visa.

They'll have to carry the wireless devices as a way for border guards
to access the electronic information stored inside a document about
the size of a large index card.

Visitors to the U.S. will get the card the first time they cross the
border and will be required the carry the document on subsequent
crossings to and from the States.

Border guards will be able to access the information electronically
from 12 metres away to enable those carrying the devices to be
processed more quickly.

Two other border crossings between Surrey, B.C., and Blaine, Wash.,
will also be implementing the technology as part of the pilot project.

Kimberly Weissman, spokeswoman for the US-VISIT program at the U.S.
Department of Homeland Security told The Whig-Standard yesterday that
the new devices can't be tracked outside the border crossing area.

"It has a range of 10 to 15 metres," she said.

"The UHF frequency that we've chosen makes it impossible to locate a
specific person."

But the use of the wireless technology raises alarm bells for Queen's
University law professor and privacy expert Art Cockfield.

"It's intrusive and these are worrisome developments," he said.

"Often these technologies are introduced in a fairly minor form and
then the technology is extended.What would be very troubling to me
would be the tracking of visitors after they've crossed the border."

Cockfield, who's part of a Queen's research group called the
Globalization of Personal Data Team, said he's so alarmed by these
new devices that his team will likely investigate them further after
learning about them yesterday.

Though the new devices don't violate Canadian law, because visitors
are under the jurisdiction of American law once inside the U.S.,
Cockfield said their use raises disturbing questions about how the
technology may be used in the future.

"If I'm close to the border and still on Canadian ground and a U.S.
customs guard is scanning me and finding out personal information
about me, that actually might be a violation of Canadian law because
they're collecting information on a Canadian resident who is still in
Canada," Cockfield said.

He said the devices smack of a "Martha Stewart-like prison tracking
device."

"It's one thing to have a police officer approach you and ask for
your identification, but it's another thing for somebody sitting in
an office somewhere in Washington to track all your movements through
a satellite signal," he said.

"It's in the realm of possibilities."

He said the devices move the world closer to a total surveillance
society.

"It certainly tracks you as you approach the border and as you cross
the border," he said.

"If we think we're subject to government surveillance, that
immediately changes our behaviour," he said. "If you want to swear
about Bush, you might hold yourself back. It inhibits political
dissent because if we think the government is watching us, we'll be
less likely to call a town hall meeting to protest something we're
upset about."

Cockfield, who just moved back to Canada from a seven-year stint
teaching in Texas, also believes the devices will result in less
cross-border traffic.

"I try not to go as frequently as usual because of these border
hassles, and I'm white and I'm a Canadian citizen," he said. "If I
was non-white and a landed immigrant, I would hesitate to a greater
extent."

He said the initiative will have a long-term, negative impact on
Canada-U.S. relations.

"The flows of people [across the border] bring about ties and
understanding between the two countries," he said. "If we inhibit
those flows, then maybe it will actually harm the security of the
U.S. We will be less trusting of the Americans."

Sam Laldin of Kingston and District Immigrant Services also agrees
that requiring non-Canadians to carry such electronic devices may
deter some people from travelling to the U.S.

"If I don't have to, I will avoid going there," he said.

Laldin, who came to Canada from Pakistan in 1967, said a lot has
changed since he became a Canadian citizen in 1970.

Laldin said this latest security step will affect hundreds of people
living in Kingston, many of whom use the Lansdowne border crossing
when they travel to the U.S.

Last year alone, Kingston District Immigrant Services provided
assistance to roughly 1,200 people from 35 countries.

Laldin said the devices open the door to the possibility of the
American government tracking people and gathering intelligence about
them.

"I kind of feel uncomfortable because I don't know what that device
is doing and I don't know where that device is reporting," he said.
"Although they say it will expedite your entry through the border, it
may be doing something else, too."

While he understands that extra measures may need to be taken to
ensure that non-Canadians entering the U.S. have the proper
documentation, he doesn't agree with the use of the electronic
devices.

"The flip side of all this is the security and safety of the country
and the people living in the country and where to draw the line -
it's a difficult thing," he said.

"I think they could do everything they need to do at the border
crossing instead of giving people something to carry with them," he
said.

"My nephew is a Canadian medical doctor and each time he crosses back
and forth, they fingerprint him, which is fine if that's the law they
want. People come prepared and they know they'll be fingerprinted.

"But to carry a device is something I personally don't think I would
want to do."

- With a file from Whig-Standard News Services
--

                                 - - -
    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people
    who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.
                                                 --Mark Twain


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From dave at farber.net  Mon Aug  1 08:32:33 2005
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:32:33 -0400
Subject: [IP] US-VISIT RFID passes @ 3 US-CDN border xings beginning 8/4/05
Message-ID: <mailman.1255.1576007666.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  1 10:51:57 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:51:57 -0400
Subject: [Clips] Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda
  websites are  wiped out
In-Reply-To: <20050801151517.GN2259@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F37A164A854BC890588EBAB9BC30@phx.gbl>

What?!! 300MB/s for a Tor node? OK, I'm a telecom guy and not a data guy but 
that sounds suspiciously like someone loaded up an OC-3's worth of traffic 
and then slammed your node. Ain't no hacker gonna do that. Any indication 
the ostensible originating IP addresses are faked?

-TD



>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com>, cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Re: [Clips] Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda  
>websites are  wiped out
>Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:15:17 +0200
>
>On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 10:54:26AM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
>
> > Tor networks, anyone?
>
>Caveat when running Tor on a production machine, I got DDoS'd
>recently with some ~300 MBit/s. (Yes, my exit policy didn't
>contain IRC).
>
>--
>Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
>______________________________________________________________
>ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.leitl.org
>8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
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From danmcd at east.sun.com  Mon Aug  1 14:12:38 2005
From: danmcd at east.sun.com (Dan McDonald)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:12:38 -0400
Subject: [Clips] Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda
  websites are wiped out
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F37A164A854BC890588EBAB9BC30@phx.gbl>
References: <20050801151517.GN2259@leitl.org>
  <BAY103-F37A164A854BC890588EBAB9BC30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050801211238.GN783@everywhere.east.sun.com>

On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 01:51:57PM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
> What?!! 300MB/s for a Tor node? OK, I'm a telecom guy and not a data guy but 
> that sounds suspiciously like someone loaded up an OC-3's worth of traffic 

300Mbits (using Eugen's quote), is 2xOC-3.  (OC-3 carries 155Mbit/sec ATM,
but if it's IP/PPP/OC-3 you use more of the 155Mbits/sec).

A couple of hacked university zombie armies can generate that kind of
traffic.  I'm *not* a telecom guy, but don't most U's have at least an OC-3
out to the backbones today?

I'm surprised that the target node has that much INBOUND bandwidth, quite
frankly.

Dan




From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Aug  1 08:15:17 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:15:17 +0200
Subject: [Clips] Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda
  websites are  wiped out
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F26A2D679BAA62F7B7126749BC30@phx.gbl>
References: <p062309babf11efb365c4@[68.167.57.91]>
  <BAY103-F26A2D679BAA62F7B7126749BC30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050801151517.GN2259@leitl.org>

On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 10:54:26AM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:

> Tor networks, anyone?

Caveat when running Tor on a production machine, I got DDoS'd
recently with some ~300 MBit/s. (Yes, my exit policy didn't
contain IRC).

--
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______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.leitl.org
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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Aug  1 08:49:03 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:49:03 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] US-VISIT RFID passes @ 3 US-CDN border
  xings beginning 8/4/05]
Message-ID: <20050801154903.GO2259@leitl.org>

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From measl at mfn.org  Mon Aug  1 16:16:14 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:16:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Diebold - might be of interest (fwd)
Message-ID: <20050801181609.M8473@ubzr.zsa.bet>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:01:13 -0700
From: Lance James <lancej at securescience.net>
To: "cryptography at metzdowd.com" <cryptography at metzdowd.com>
Subject: Diebold - might be of interest

Hi all,

I don't know if this is appropriate on this list, but I know that
diebold voting systems have been an issue in the cryptography community
for a while now. Having said that, I'm pasting an article that I
received (from my parents actually) that might be of interest to this
group. If it is not, just moderate :)

*Subject:* Black Box

Darkness is settling over the election process in San Diego.  I say get
rid of anything electronic that has  to do with elections. Realistic
sentiment?!

Gene
VIEWING THE DIEBOLD VOTE-TALLYING SCREEN PROHIBITED

Jim March, a member of the Black Box Voting board of directors,
was arrested Tuesday evening for trying to observe the Diebold
central tabulator (vote tallying machine) as the votes were being
counted in San Diego's mayoral election (July 26).
(- online discussion: http:/www.blackboxvoting.org -)

According to Jim Hamilton, an elections integrity advocate from
San Diego, he and March visited the office of the registrar
of elections earlier in the day. During this visit, March made
two requests, which were refused by Mikel Haas, the San Diego
Registrar of elections.

1) March asked that the central tabulator, the computer that
tallies up the votes from all the precincts, be positioned so
that citizens could observe it. According to Hamilton, this
would have required simply moving a table a few feet.

2) March also asked for a copy of the ".gbf" files -- the vote
tally files collected during the course of tabulation - to be
provided for examination after the election.

During the tallying of the election, the Diebold computer
was positioned too far away for citizens to read the screen.
Citizens could not watch error messages, or even perceive
significant anomalies or malfunctions.

Unable to see the screen, March went into the office where the
tabulator was housed. Two deputies followed him and escorted
him out.

According to Hamilton: "He was not belligerent, not at all.
After he went inside the tabulator room he came [was escorted]
out and he said clearly 'I'm not resisting.' They handcuffed
him, took him out of the building. They put him in a squad car.
They're going to take him to the police station, book him and
take him to jail," said Hamilton. "He's getting charged with a
felony, 'interfering with an election official.'"

March's actions are the culmination of two years of increasing
frustration with the refusal of election officials to respond to
security deficiencies in the voting machines. The software that
tallies the votes in San Diego is made by Diebold Election Systems,
a company that has already paid the state of California $2.8 million
for making false claims, due to a lawsuit filed by March and Black
Box Voting founder Bev Harris.

On July 4, a report was released by European computer security
expert Harri Hursti, revealing that the Diebold voting system
contains profound architectural flaws. "It is open for business,"
says Hursti, who demonstrated the flaws on Leon County, Florida
Diebold machines. He penetrated the voting system in less than
five minutes, manipulating vote reports in a way that was
undetectable.

Despite the critical security alert issued by Hursti, San Diego
County sent 713 voting machines home with poll workers, increasing
the risk that the "memory cards" housed in the machines could be
hacked, and removing the argument that "inside access" was carefully
safeguarded.

The arrest of Jim March underlines a fundamental problem facing
Americans today as, increasingly, they lose the ability to monitor,
verify, or watch any part of the counting process.

The San Diego registrar of elections knew of the security flaws in
the voting system. Diebold has never denied the vulnerability
identified in Hursti's report, found at
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/BBVreport.pdf.

Despite knowledge of the increased risks, Haas made the decision
to create additional vulnerability by sending the machines home
with hundreds of poll workers.

While San Diego officials will no doubt point to a small seal on
the compartment housing the memory card (the component exploited
in Hursti's study), Black Box Voting has interviewed a former
San Diego poll worker, who reported that all that is necessary
to dislodge and then reaffix the seal is a small pair of pliers.

IN A NUTSHELL:

- The machines have been demonstrated to be vulnerable to
undetected tampering
- The San Diego registrar of voters chose not to take
appropriate precautions
- The main tally machine was placed in a location that was
impossible for citizens to observe
- Many voting integrity advocates have come to believe that
 voting machine reform now rivals the urgency of the Civil
Rights movement in the 1960s.

Jim March acted on those beliefs.

* * * * *

If you share the feelings that Jim March has expressed
about voting system secrecy, please forward this message to
your lists and to online blogs as appropriate. Permission
granted to reprint, with link to http://www.blackboxvoting.org.


* * * *

Black Box Voting


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From measl at mfn.org  Mon Aug  1 17:59:34 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:59:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Well, they got what they want...
In-Reply-To: <20050802003901.84804.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050802003901.84804.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050801195849.T8473@ubzr.zsa.bet>

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Steve Thompson wrote:

> --- Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That's an old pattern to character assassins: "I've attacked you
> > publically
> > but I really don't want to have defend what I've said or reply to
> > suggestions about my own motivation."
>
> And psychopaths are sometimes said to accuse their victims of the malice
> and violence the psychopaths perpetrate.
>
> > Great. Fuck you too. Hope the new Stazi grab you while you bitch and
> > complain and do nothing.
>
> Likewise, although I rather suspect you would be one of very 'Stazi' you
> pretend you hate.  But there is an up-side:  you're too fucking stupid to
> be of permanent use to the 'Stazi', and so you can anticpate outliving
> your usefulness eventually.

Why don't you two get a room?  I'll even subsidize it.

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org
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I like the idea of belief in drug-prohibition as a religion in that it is
a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and
bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they
are intended to support.

don zweig, M.D.




From steve49152 at yahoo.ca  Mon Aug  1 17:39:01 2005
From: steve49152 at yahoo.ca (Steve Thompson)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:39:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Well, they got what they want...
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F22DD011C5848BE388FE5789BC10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050802003901.84804.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:

> That's an old pattern to character assassins: "I've attacked you
> publically 
> but I really don't want to have defend what I've said or reply to 
> suggestions about my own motivation."

And psychopaths are sometimes said to accuse their victims of the malice
and violence the psychopaths perpetrate.
 
> Great. Fuck you too. Hope the new Stazi grab you while you bitch and 
> complain and do nothing.

Likewise, although I rather suspect you would be one of very 'Stazi' you
pretend you hate.  But there is an up-side:  you're too fucking stupid to
be of permanent use to the 'Stazi', and so you can anticpate outliving
your usefulness eventually.


Regards,

Steve


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From measl at mfn.org  Mon Aug  1 19:42:46 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:42:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Clips] Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda  
  websites are wiped out
In-Reply-To: <20050801211238.GN783@everywhere.east.sun.com>
References: <20050801151517.GN2259@leitl.org> 
  <BAY103-F37A164A854BC890588EBAB9BC30@phx.gbl> 
  <20050801211238.GN783@everywhere.east.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20050801213851.N8473@ubzr.zsa.bet>

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Dan McDonald wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 01:51:57PM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
> > What?!! 300MB/s for a Tor node? OK, I'm a telecom guy and not a data guy but
> > that sounds suspiciously like someone loaded up an OC-3's worth of traffic
>
> 300Mbits (using Eugen's quote), is 2xOC-3.  (OC-3 carries 155Mbit/sec ATM,
> but if it's IP/PPP/OC-3 you use more of the 155Mbits/sec).
>
> A couple of hacked university zombie armies can generate that kind of
> traffic.  I'm *not* a telecom guy, but don't most U's have at least an OC-3
> out to the backbones today?
>
> I'm surprised that the target node has that much INBOUND bandwidth, quite
> frankly.

Well, I am a telecom *and* a data guy, and I think I can clear it up :-)

First, I suspect that the Tor node did *not* have a 300mbit ingree or
egress, which is why the 300mbps was an effective DDoS ;-)

Second, as the guy who spent several years being the carrier schmuck on
call for these kinds of attacks, a 300mbps attack is a pretty small one.
Big enough to knock off the average web site or small ISP, but pretty
small from the carrier perspective.  He probably knew the sizeof the
incoming attack because the voice on the other end of the phone (the
carrier schmuck on call) told him how much data he saw coming down the
pipe at the target.

>
> Dan
>

Hopefully that'll clear some of the muddy stuff?

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org
0xBD4A95BF


I like the idea of belief in drug-prohibition as a religion in that it is
a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and
bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they
are intended to support.

don zweig, M.D.




From anonymous at remailer.hastio.org  Mon Aug  1 16:27:41 2005
From: anonymous at remailer.hastio.org (anonymous at remailer.hastio.org)
Date: 1 Aug 2005 23:27:41 -0000
Subject: How to Exit the Matrix
Message-ID: <P615BUSG38566.0608912037@anonymous.poster>

Network Forensics Evasion: How to Exit the Matrix
https://n4ez7vf37i2yvz5g.onion/howtos/ExitTheMatrix/
Tor (tor.eff.org) required

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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Aug  1 23:44:21 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:44:21 +0200
Subject: [Clips] Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda
  websites are wiped out
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F37A164A854BC890588EBAB9BC30@phx.gbl>
References: <20050801151517.GN2259@leitl.org>
  <BAY103-F37A164A854BC890588EBAB9BC30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050802064421.GS2259@leitl.org>

On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 01:51:57PM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:

> What?!! 300MB/s for a Tor node? OK, I'm a telecom guy and not a data guy
> but that sounds suspiciously like someone loaded up an OC-3's worth of
> traffic and then slammed your node. Ain't no hacker gonna do that. Any
> indication the ostensible originating IP addresses are faked?

No, it looked like a vanilla DDoS. According to the hoster, I've only
seen a small piece of the log, which looked like this:

09:21:54.322650 IP 67.9.36.207 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.322776 IP 218.102.186.215 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.322895 IP 24.242.31.137 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.323017 IP 61.62.83.208 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.323140 IP 68.197.59.153 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.323263 IP 202.138.17.65 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.323375 IP 221.171.34.81 > 213.239.210.243: icmp 1376: echo
request seq 23306
09:21:54.323500 IP 150.199.172.221 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.323623 IP 62.150.154.191 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.323741 IP 221.231.54.152 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.323863 IP 222.241.149.165 > 213.239.210.243: icmp 1456: echo
request seq 24842
09:21:54.323984 IP 61.81.134.200 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.324105 IP 60.20.101.125 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.324227 IP 219.77.117.204 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.324229 IP 85.98.134.51 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.324355 IP 61.149.3.249 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.324475 IP 218.9.240.32 > 213.239.210.243: icmp 1456: echo
request seq 29962
09:21:54.324598 IP 24.115.79.52 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.324720 IP 12.217.75.61 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.324844 IP 202.161.4.210 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.324847 IP 139.4.150.122.14238 > 213.239.209.107.80: R
2598318330:2598318330(0) win 0
09:21:54.324973 IP 211.203.38.29 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.325101 IP 68.74.58.171 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.325240 IP 211.214.159.102 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.325341 IP 221.231.53.52 > 213.239.210.243: icmp
09:21:54.325465 IP 24.20.194.42 > 213.239.210.243: icmp

--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.leitl.org
8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug  2 01:15:49 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:15:49 +0200
Subject: [Clips] Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda
  websites are wiped out
In-Reply-To: <20050801211238.GN783@everywhere.east.sun.com>
References: <20050801151517.GN2259@leitl.org>
  <BAY103-F37A164A854BC890588EBAB9BC30@phx.gbl>
  <20050801211238.GN783@everywhere.east.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20050802081549.GW2259@leitl.org>

On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 05:12:38PM -0400, Dan McDonald wrote:

> I'm surprised that the target node has that much INBOUND bandwidth, quite
> frankly.

The node itself has only a Fast Ethernet port, but there's
some 4 GBit available outside of the router.

I'm genuinely glad the node has been taken offline as soon
as the traffic started coming in in buckets, and I didn't
have to foot the entire bill (the whole incident only
cost me 20-30 GByte overall as far as I can tell).

--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.leitl.org
8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  2 09:03:21 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:03:21 -0400
Subject: [Clips] Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda
  websites are  wiped out
In-Reply-To: <20050802081549.GW2259@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F2041127CD00380CC437D439BC20@phx.gbl>

Actually, I did know that 300Mb/sec isn't super-huge for Denial of Service 
attacks at least, but this is an "obscure" Tor node. Someone attacking it at 
this stage in the game has a real agenda (perhaps they want to see if 
certain websites get disrupted? Does Tor work that way for short-ish periods 
of time?)

At 4Gb/s into the router, I'd guess that router is hooked up to 2 GbEs 
mapped over a pair of OC-48s (Sounds a lot like the architecture Cisco has 
sold certain GbE-centered Datapipe providers.) Your attacker might actually 
be interested in pre-stressing the infrastructure in front of that router.

Just a guess, but I'm "stupid" after all.

-TD

>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: Dan McDonald <danmcd at east.sun.com>, camera_lumina at hotmail.com,        
>cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Re: [Clips] Finger points to British intelligence as al-Qaeda  
>websites are wiped out
>Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:15:49 +0200
>
>On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 05:12:38PM -0400, Dan McDonald wrote:
>
> > I'm surprised that the target node has that much INBOUND bandwidth, 
>quite
> > frankly.
>
>The node itself has only a Fast Ethernet port, but there's
>some 4 GBit available outside of the router.
>
>I'm genuinely glad the node has been taken offline as soon
>as the traffic started coming in in buckets, and I didn't
>have to foot the entire bill (the whole incident only
>cost me 20-30 GByte overall as far as I can tell).
>
>--
>Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
>______________________________________________________________
>ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.leitl.org
>8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
>
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From s.schear at comcast.net  Tue Aug  2 14:17:34 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:17:34 -0700
Subject: Apple to add Trusted Computing to the new kernel?
In-Reply-To: <20050802081549.GW2259@leitl.org>
References: <20050801151517.GN2259@leitl.org> 
  <BAY103-F37A164A854BC890588EBAB9BC30@phx.gbl> 
  <20050801211238.GN783@everywhere.east.sun.com> 
  <20050802081549.GW2259@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050802141638.04e49a00@mail.comcast.net>

People working with early versions of the forthcoming Intel-based
MacOS X operating system have discovered that Apple's new kernel
makes use of Intel's Trusted Computing hardware. If this "feature"
appears in a commercial, shipping version of Apple's OS, they'll lose
me as a customer -- I've used Apple computers since 1979 and have a
Mac tattooed on my right bicep, but this is a deal-breaker.

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/31/apple_to_add_trusted.html




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From: amjwgtf at nana.co.il (Chasity Brewster)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:23:06 -0100
Subject: Maximum results seen after only a few weeks 
Message-ID: <perfect5479.hind@pick.69.probe.net>

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From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Aug  2 18:23:28 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:23:28 -0400
Subject: [fc-announce] CFP FC'06: Financial Cryptography and Data
  Security
Message-ID: <p06230974bf15cce64289@[68.167.57.91]>

--- begin forwarded text


 To: fc-announce at ifca.ai
 From: Avi Rubin <rubin at jhu.edu>
 Subject: [fc-announce] CFP FC'06: Financial Cryptography and Data Security
 Sender: fc-announce-admin at ifca.ai
 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:58:29 -0400

 <x-flowed>
                             Call for Papers

              FC'06: Financial Cryptography and Data Security
                           http://fc06.ifca.ai/

                      Tenth International Conference
                       February 27 to March 2, 2006
                       Anguilla, British West Indies

                  Submissions Due Date: October 17, 2005

 Program Chairs: Giovanni Di Crescenzo (Telcordia)
                  Avi Rubin (Johns Hopkins University)

 General Chair: Patrick McDaniel (Penn State University)

 Local Arrangements Chair: Rafael Hirschfeld (Unipay Technologies)

 At its 10th year edition, Financial Cryptography and Data Security
 (FC'06) is a well established and major international forum for
 research, advanced development, education, exploration, and debate
 regarding security in the context of finance and commerce. We will
 continue last year's augmentation of the conference title and expansion
 of our scope to cover all aspects of securing transactions and systems.
 These aspects include a range of technical areas such as: cryptography,
 payment systems, secure transaction architectures, software systems and
 tools, user and operator interfaces, fraud prevention, secure IT
 infrastructure, and analysis methodologies. Our focus will also
 encompass financial, legal, business and policy aspects. Material both
 on theoretical (fundamental) aspects of securing systems, on secure
 applications and real-world deployments will be considered.

 The conference goal is to bring together top cryptographers,
 data-security specialists, and scientists with economists, bankers,
 implementers, and policy makers. Intimate and colorful by tradition,
 the FC'06 program will feature invited talks, academic presentations,
 technical demonstrations, and panel discussions. In addition, we will
 celebrate this 10th year edition with a number of initiatives, such as:
 especially focused session, technical and historical state-of-the-art
 panels, and one session of surveys.

 This conference is organized annually by the International Financial
 Cryptography Association (IFCA).

 Original papers, surveys and presentations on all aspects of financial
 and commerce security are invited. Submissions must have a visible
 bearing on financial and commerce security issues, but can be
 interdisciplinary in nature and need not be exclusively concerned with
 cryptography or security. Possible topics for submission to the various
 sessions include, but are not limited to:

 Anonymity and Privacy           Microfinance and
 Auctions                        Micropayments
 Audit and Auditability          Monitoring, Management and
 Authentication and              Operations
 Identification, including       Reputation Systems
 Biometrics                      RFID-Based and Contactless
 Certification and               Payment Systems
 Authorization                   Risk Assessment and
 Commercial Cryptographic        Management
 Applications                    Secure Banking and Financial
 Commercial Transactions and     Web Services
 Contracts                       Securing Emerging
 Digital Cash and Payment        Computational Paradigms
 Systems                         Security and Risk
 Digital Incentive and           Perceptions and Judgments
 Loyalty Systems                 Security Economics
 Digital Rights Management       Smart Cards and Secure
 Financial Regulation and        Tokens
 Reporting                       Trust Management
 Fraud Detection                 Trustability and
 Game Theoretic Approaches to    Trustworthiness
 Security                        Underground-Market Economics
 Identity Theft, Physhing and    Usability and Acceptance of
 Social Engineering              Security Systems
 Infrastructure Design           User and Operator Interfaces
 Legal and Regulatory Issues     Voting system security

                       Submission Instructions

 Submission Categories

 FC'06 is inviting submissions in four categories: (1) research papers,
 (2) systems and applications presentations, (3) panel sessions, (4)
 surveys. For all accepted submissions, at least one author must attend
 the conference and present the work.

 Research Papers

 Research papers should describe novel scientific contributions to the
 field, and they will be subject to rigorous peer review. Papers can be
 a maximum of 15 pages in length (including references and appendices),
 and accepted submissions will be published in full in the conference
 proceedings.

 Systems and Application Presentations

 Submissions in this category should describe novel or successful
 systems with an emphasis on secure digital commerce applications.
 Presentations may concern commercial systems, academic prototypes, or
 open-source projects for any of the topics listed above. Where
 appropriate, software or hardware demonstrations are encouraged as part
 of the presentations in these sessions. Submissions in this category
 should consist of a short summary of the work (1-6 pages in length) to
 be reviewed by the Program Committee, along with a short biography of
 the presenters. Accepted submissions will be presented at the
 conference (25 minutes per presentation), and a one-page abstract will
 be published in the conference proceedings.

 Panel Sessions

 Proposals for panel sessions are also solicited, and should include a
 brief description of the panel as well as prospective participants.
 Accepted panel sessions will be presented at the conference, and each
 participant will contribute a one-page abstract to be published in the
 conference proceedings.

 Surveys

 A limited number of surveys presentations may also be included in the
 program. We encourage submissions that summarize the current state of
 the art on any well-defined subset of the above listed submission
 topics. A limited description of visions on future directions of
 research in these topics would also be appreciated. Survey submissions
 can be significantly shorter than research paper submissions.

 Preparation Instructions

 Submissions to the research papers, systems/application presentation
 categories and surveys must be received by the due date. Papers must be
 formatted in standard PostScript, PDF format, or MS Word. Submissions
 in other formats will be rejected. All papers must be submitted
 electronically according to the instructions and forms found on this
 web site and at the submission site.

 Authors should provide names and affiliations at submission time, and
 have the option of including or not names and affiliations in their
 submitted papers, that must include on their first page the title of
 the paper, the a brief abstract, and a list of topical keywords.
 Accepted submissions will be included in the conference proceedings to
 be published in the Springer-Verlag Lecture Notes in Computer Science
 (LNCS) series after the conference, so the submissions must be
 formatted in the standard LNCS format (15 page limit). Authors of
 accepted submissions will be required to complete and sign an IFCA
 copyright form. A pre-proceedings volume containing preliminary
 versions of the papers will be distributed at the conference.

 Questions about all conference submissions should be directed to the
 Program Chairs.

 Paper Submission

 Authors should only submit work that does not substantially overlap
 with work that is currently submitted or has been accepted for
 publication to a conference with proceedings or a journal.

 Please check back as the deadline approaches for a link to the
 submission server.

 The Rump Session

 FC'06 will also include the popular "rump session" held on one of the
 evenings in an informal, social atmosphere. The rump session is a
 program of short (5-7 minute), informal presentations on works in
 progress, off-the-cuff ideas, and any other matters pertinent to the
 conference. Any conference attendee is welcome to submit a presentation
 to the Rump Session Chair (to be announced). This submission should
 consist of a talk title, the name of the presenter, and, if desired, a
 very brief abstract. Submissions may be sent via e-mail, or submitted
 in person through the Monday of the conference.

 Program Committee

 Matt Blaze, University of Pennsylvania
 Alfredo De Santis, University of Salerno, Italy
 Sven Dietrich, CERT Research Center
 Juan Garay, Bell Labs
 Dan Geer, Verdasys
 Ari Juels, RSA
 Aggelos Kiayias, University of Connecticut
 Yoshi Kohno, University of California San Diego
 Arjen Lenstra, Bell Labs and Technische Universiteit Eindhoven
 Helger Lipmaa, Cybernetica AS and University of Tartu
 Steve Myers, Indiana University
 Andrew Odlyzko, University of Minnesota
 Tatsuaki Okamoto, NTT
 Carles Padro, Universitat Politecnica de Catalunya
 Andrew Patrick, NRC, Canada
 Ahmad-Reza Sadeghi, Ruhr-University Bochum
 Kazue Sako, NEC
 Dawn Song, CMU
 Stuart Stubblebine, University of California Davis & Stubblebine Labs
 Adam Stubblefield, Independent Security Evaluators
 Paul Syverson, NRL
 Mike Szydlo, RSA
 Gene Tsudik, University of California Irvine
 Doug Tygar, Berkeley University
 Alma Whitten, Google
 Yacov Yacobi, Microsoft Research
 Moti Yung, RSA & Columbia University
 Yuliang Zheng, University of North Carolina

 Important Dates:

 Paper Submission:   October 17, 2005
 Notification:       December 8th, 2005
 Pre-Proceedings:    January 27th, 2005
 Conference dates:   February 27 to March 2, 2006
 Post Proceedings:   April 10, 2006




 **************************************************
 Avi Rubin
 Professor, Computer Science
 Technical Director, Information Security Institute
 Johns Hopkins University

 rubin at jhu.edu
 410-516-8177 (Voice)
 443-264-2406 (Fax)
 http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~rubin/
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From tyler at aatphones.com  Wed Aug  3 03:13:46 2005
From: tyler at aatphones.com (Erin Krueger)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 02:13:46 -0800
Subject: Pre-approvedd rate #flcn
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  3 06:12:26 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:12:26 -0400
Subject: [fc-announce] CFP FC'06: Financial Cryptography and Data
  Security
In-Reply-To: <p06230974bf15cce64289@[68.167.57.91]>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F7E025BB5AC6D8B957A5D49BC50@phx.gbl>

Your telling me there's someone in Telcordia these days that does something 
interesting in the cryptograhy field? Or is that his personal hobby...

-TD

>From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>To: cryptography at metzdowd.com, cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [fc-announce] CFP FC'06: Financial Cryptography and Data  Security
>Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:23:28 -0400
>
>--- begin forwarded text
>
>
>  To: fc-announce at ifca.ai
>  From: Avi Rubin <rubin at jhu.edu>
>  Subject: [fc-announce] CFP FC'06: Financial Cryptography and Data 
>Security
>  Sender: fc-announce-admin at ifca.ai
>  Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:58:29 -0400
>
>  <x-flowed>
>                              Call for Papers
>
>               FC'06: Financial Cryptography and Data Security
>                            http://fc06.ifca.ai/
>
>                       Tenth International Conference
>                        February 27 to March 2, 2006
>                        Anguilla, British West Indies
>
>                   Submissions Due Date: October 17, 2005
>
>  Program Chairs: Giovanni Di Crescenzo (Telcordia)
>                   Avi Rubin (Johns Hopkins University)
>
>  General Chair: Patrick McDaniel (Penn State University)
>
>  Local Arrangements Chair: Rafael Hirschfeld (Unipay Technologies)
>
>  At its 10th year edition, Financial Cryptography and Data Security
>  (FC'06) is a well established and major international forum for
>  research, advanced development, education, exploration, and debate
>  regarding security in the context of finance and commerce. We will
>  continue last year's augmentation of the conference title and expansion
>  of our scope to cover all aspects of securing transactions and systems.
>  These aspects include a range of technical areas such as: cryptography,
>  payment systems, secure transaction architectures, software systems and
>  tools, user and operator interfaces, fraud prevention, secure IT
>  infrastructure, and analysis methodologies. Our focus will also
>  encompass financial, legal, business and policy aspects. Material both
>  on theoretical (fundamental) aspects of securing systems, on secure
>  applications and real-world deployments will be considered.
>
>  The conference goal is to bring together top cryptographers,
>  data-security specialists, and scientists with economists, bankers,
>  implementers, and policy makers. Intimate and colorful by tradition,
>  the FC'06 program will feature invited talks, academic presentations,
>  technical demonstrations, and panel discussions. In addition, we will
>  celebrate this 10th year edition with a number of initiatives, such as:
>  especially focused session, technical and historical state-of-the-art
>  panels, and one session of surveys.
>
>  This conference is organized annually by the International Financial
>  Cryptography Association (IFCA).
>
>  Original papers, surveys and presentations on all aspects of financial
>  and commerce security are invited. Submissions must have a visible
>  bearing on financial and commerce security issues, but can be
>  interdisciplinary in nature and need not be exclusively concerned with
>  cryptography or security. Possible topics for submission to the various
>  sessions include, but are not limited to:
>
>  Anonymity and Privacy           Microfinance and
>  Auctions                        Micropayments
>  Audit and Auditability          Monitoring, Management and
>  Authentication and              Operations
>  Identification, including       Reputation Systems
>  Biometrics                      RFID-Based and Contactless
>  Certification and               Payment Systems
>  Authorization                   Risk Assessment and
>  Commercial Cryptographic        Management
>  Applications                    Secure Banking and Financial
>  Commercial Transactions and     Web Services
>  Contracts                       Securing Emerging
>  Digital Cash and Payment        Computational Paradigms
>  Systems                         Security and Risk
>  Digital Incentive and           Perceptions and Judgments
>  Loyalty Systems                 Security Economics
>  Digital Rights Management       Smart Cards and Secure
>  Financial Regulation and        Tokens
>  Reporting                       Trust Management
>  Fraud Detection                 Trustability and
>  Game Theoretic Approaches to    Trustworthiness
>  Security                        Underground-Market Economics
>  Identity Theft, Physhing and    Usability and Acceptance of
>  Social Engineering              Security Systems
>  Infrastructure Design           User and Operator Interfaces
>  Legal and Regulatory Issues     Voting system security
>
>                        Submission Instructions
>
>  Submission Categories
>
>  FC'06 is inviting submissions in four categories: (1) research papers,
>  (2) systems and applications presentations, (3) panel sessions, (4)
>  surveys. For all accepted submissions, at least one author must attend
>  the conference and present the work.
>
>  Research Papers
>
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  3 10:11:48 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:11:48 -0400
Subject: Prosecutors: CIA agents left trail
Message-ID: <BAY103-F7EDD671F12CE2204908D19BC50@phx.gbl>

Reverse Rendition?

Here's where Liberals can take a stand...let's round up some of these 
fuckers and stuff 'em in a shipping container on a Chinese barge to Italy.

I've done a quick google search and I've only found a couple of the names. 
Is the complete list available?

-TD

>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Prosecutors: CIA agents left trail
>Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:22:04 +0200
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/28/cia.phonetrail.ap/index.html
>
>Prosecutors: CIA agents left trail
>Cellphone calls blew their cover
>
>Thursday, July 28, 2005; Posted: 8:05 p.m. EDT (00:05 GMT)
>
>ROME, Italy (AP) -- It wasn't their lavish spending in luxury hotels, their
>use of credit cards or even frequent-flier miles that drew attention. 
>Instead
>it was a trail of casual cellphone use that tripped up the 19 purported CIA
>operatives wanted by Italian authorities in the alleged kidnapping of a
>radical Muslim cleric.
>
>Italian prosecutors who have obtained arrest warrants for the 19 -- none of
>whom are believed to be in Italy -- presented evidence that the suspects 
>used
>at least 40 Italian cell phones, some in their own names.
>
>Experts say that either they were bumbling spies, or they acted with 
>impunity
>because Italian officials had been informed of their plan -- a claim the
>government of Premier Silvio Berlusconi has publicly denied on several
>occasions. (Full story)
>
>"If these were really CIA agents they've made a disaster," said Andrea 
>Nativi,
>research director for the Rome-based Military Center for Strategic Studies.
>"They strained relations between Italy and the U.S. and between the CIA and
>Italian intelligence agencies."
>
>Italian judges issued a first batch of warrants last month for 13 Americans
>accused of abducting Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr, known as Abu Omar, on a 
>Milan
>street on February 17, 2003.
>
>Another court this week issued another six warrants for a group the
>prosecution claims planned the abduction. (Full story)
>Vulnerable cellphones
>
>The Egyptian cleric was flown from Aviano, a joint U.S.-Italian air base 
>north
>of Venice, to Ramstein Air Base in Germany and then to Egypt, where he was
>reportedly tortured. The operation purportedly was part of the CIA's
>"extraordinary rendition" program, in which terror suspects are transferred 
>to
>third countries without court approval.
>
>In his request for the latest warrants, prosecutor Armando Spataro wrote 
>that
>an analysis of mobile phone traffic showed that most of them were present 
>on
>the route that Abu Omar habitually took from his home to a Milan mosque,
>"including in the days before" the kidnapping.
>
>A track of their cell phones also showed them on those streets "nearly 100
>times" during the month before Abu Omar's disappearance, the prosecutor 
>said.
>He concluded that the six were part "of a single group of Americans who 
>came
>to Milan to carry out the operation."
>
>Why they would use their cell phones so openly has baffled experts,
>particularly since prosecutors are certain that not all the names of the 19
>suspects are aliases.
>
>One has been identified by prosecutors as the former CIA station chief in
>Milan, Robert Seldon Lady, who owns a retirement home in wine country in 
>Asti,
>near Turin. Though police didn't find Lady there when they raided the 
>house,
>they did discover a list of hotels where U.S. government employees received
>discounts, including hotels where prosecutors contend the suspects stayed.
>
>Another person on the list has the same name as a man who now works at the
>U.S. Embassy in Tanzania.
>
>Unless the power or the wireless antenna is turned off, a mobile phone 
>remains
>in constant contact with the nearest cell towers even when it's not being 
>used
>for a call. Information processed by the cells can be used to precisely 
>locate
>or track the movements of a phone user.
>
>Nativi, the military expert, called the use of regular cell phone accounts 
>"a
>huge weakness in the operation."
>
>It would have been more difficult to track anonymous prepaid cards, 
>satellite
>phones or radios, he said.
>
>The wireless system used in Italy and most of the rest of Europe relies on 
>a
>stamp-sized smart card that is inserted in the back of every handset. This
>removable "SIM" card stores an individual's phone number and other account
>data.
>
>A unique numerical identifier is assigned to every phone and every SIM, 
>said
>Bruno Errico, director of consulting for Openwave Global Services, a 
>company
>that provides tracking applications and other software to wireless 
>companies
>worldwide.
>
>Wireless companies are obliged by law to keep records of the unique data 
>that
>each phone exchanges with the cell network as well as the numbers to which
>calls are placed, he said.
>
>Since a phone is served by several cells at any given time, investigators 
>can
>easily triangulate the location of a device, Errico said. In an urban area,
>where the network of cells is dense and overlapping, such tracking can have 
>a
>margin of error of just a few yards.
>Going uncovered
>
>Had the agents used non-Italian phones and SIMs, the local network would 
>still
>have tracked them, but magistrates might have had a tougher time linking 
>the
>phones to each of the suspects since not all countries require wireless 
>users
>to provide identification, said Errico. To avoid tracking, the agents would
>have had to use other systems not available to the general public, such as
>radios, Errico said.
>
>"As long as you use public communication systems, there is no way you can
>avoid being tracked," he said.
>
>Or, as Nativi put it: "When you go on this kind of operation, you need to 
>turn
>off your damn phone."
>
>Yoram Schweitzer, a researcher for the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies 
>in
>Tel Aviv, said he wasn't surprised the operatives stayed in five-star 
>hotels,
>which provide excellent cover for those posing as businessmen or
>businesswomen. But analysts did question whether using of credit cards was
>advisable.
>
>Chris Aaron, a former editor of Jane's Intelligence Review magazine, said 
>the
>team must have known that local cells phones put them at risk of being
>exposed.
>
>"A CIA team would have been aware of the Italian ability to log calls and
>track their location, so they clearly weren't worried about that," he said.
>
>The CIA in Washington has declined to comment on the case.
>
>Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may 
>not
>be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
>
>--
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>______________________________________________________________
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From eugen at leitl.org  Wed Aug  3 06:22:04 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:22:04 +0200
Subject: Prosecutors: CIA agents left trail
Message-ID: <20050803132204.GL2259@leitl.org>

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/28/cia.phonetrail.ap/index.html

Prosecutors: CIA agents left trail
Cellphone calls blew their cover

Thursday, July 28, 2005; Posted: 8:05 p.m. EDT (00:05 GMT)

ROME, Italy (AP) -- It wasn't their lavish spending in luxury hotels, their
use of credit cards or even frequent-flier miles that drew attention. Instead
it was a trail of casual cellphone use that tripped up the 19 purported CIA
operatives wanted by Italian authorities in the alleged kidnapping of a
radical Muslim cleric.

Italian prosecutors who have obtained arrest warrants for the 19 -- none of
whom are believed to be in Italy -- presented evidence that the suspects used
at least 40 Italian cell phones, some in their own names.

Experts say that either they were bumbling spies, or they acted with impunity
because Italian officials had been informed of their plan -- a claim the
government of Premier Silvio Berlusconi has publicly denied on several
occasions. (Full story)

"If these were really CIA agents they've made a disaster," said Andrea Nativi,
research director for the Rome-based Military Center for Strategic Studies.
"They strained relations between Italy and the U.S. and between the CIA and
Italian intelligence agencies."

Italian judges issued a first batch of warrants last month for 13 Americans
accused of abducting Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr, known as Abu Omar, on a Milan
street on February 17, 2003.

Another court this week issued another six warrants for a group the
prosecution claims planned the abduction. (Full story)
Vulnerable cellphones

The Egyptian cleric was flown from Aviano, a joint U.S.-Italian air base north
of Venice, to Ramstein Air Base in Germany and then to Egypt, where he was
reportedly tortured. The operation purportedly was part of the CIA's
"extraordinary rendition" program, in which terror suspects are transferred to
third countries without court approval.

In his request for the latest warrants, prosecutor Armando Spataro wrote that
an analysis of mobile phone traffic showed that most of them were present on
the route that Abu Omar habitually took from his home to a Milan mosque,
"including in the days before" the kidnapping.

A track of their cell phones also showed them on those streets "nearly 100
times" during the month before Abu Omar's disappearance, the prosecutor said.
He concluded that the six were part "of a single group of Americans who came
to Milan to carry out the operation."

Why they would use their cell phones so openly has baffled experts,
particularly since prosecutors are certain that not all the names of the 19
suspects are aliases.

One has been identified by prosecutors as the former CIA station chief in
Milan, Robert Seldon Lady, who owns a retirement home in wine country in Asti,
near Turin. Though police didn't find Lady there when they raided the house,
they did discover a list of hotels where U.S. government employees received
discounts, including hotels where prosecutors contend the suspects stayed.

Another person on the list has the same name as a man who now works at the
U.S. Embassy in Tanzania.

Unless the power or the wireless antenna is turned off, a mobile phone remains
in constant contact with the nearest cell towers even when it's not being used
for a call. Information processed by the cells can be used to precisely locate
or track the movements of a phone user.

Nativi, the military expert, called the use of regular cell phone accounts "a
huge weakness in the operation."

It would have been more difficult to track anonymous prepaid cards, satellite
phones or radios, he said.

The wireless system used in Italy and most of the rest of Europe relies on a
stamp-sized smart card that is inserted in the back of every handset. This
removable "SIM" card stores an individual's phone number and other account
data.

A unique numerical identifier is assigned to every phone and every SIM, said
Bruno Errico, director of consulting for Openwave Global Services, a company
that provides tracking applications and other software to wireless companies
worldwide.

Wireless companies are obliged by law to keep records of the unique data that
each phone exchanges with the cell network as well as the numbers to which
calls are placed, he said.

Since a phone is served by several cells at any given time, investigators can
easily triangulate the location of a device, Errico said. In an urban area,
where the network of cells is dense and overlapping, such tracking can have a
margin of error of just a few yards.
Going uncovered

Had the agents used non-Italian phones and SIMs, the local network would still
have tracked them, but magistrates might have had a tougher time linking the
phones to each of the suspects since not all countries require wireless users
to provide identification, said Errico. To avoid tracking, the agents would
have had to use other systems not available to the general public, such as
radios, Errico said.

"As long as you use public communication systems, there is no way you can
avoid being tracked," he said.

Or, as Nativi put it: "When you go on this kind of operation, you need to turn
off your damn phone."

Yoram Schweitzer, a researcher for the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies in
Tel Aviv, said he wasn't surprised the operatives stayed in five-star hotels,
which provide excellent cover for those posing as businessmen or
businesswomen. But analysts did question whether using of credit cards was
advisable.

Chris Aaron, a former editor of Jane's Intelligence Review magazine, said the
team must have known that local cells phones put them at risk of being
exposed.

"A CIA team would have been aware of the Italian ability to log calls and
track their location, so they clearly weren't worried about that," he said.

The CIA in Washington has declined to comment on the case.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not
be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

--
Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a>
______________________________________________________________
ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820            http://www.leitl.org
8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A  7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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From dave at farber.net  Fri Aug  5 08:09:55 2005
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:09:55 -0400
Subject: [IP] Cellphone carriers can listen in through your phone
Message-ID: <mailman.1256.1576007666.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>



From: Cellphones
URL: http://cellphones.engadget.com/entry/1234000563053276/
Sent from: djf (dave at farber.net)
Sent to: dave at farber.net
Comments:

Cellphone carriers can listen in through your phone?Aug 5, 2005,
10:20 AM ET by Ryan Block

We?re always a little wary of that very blurry line between
protection of the general public and infringements on basic civil
liberties, but it would appear that according to the Financial Times
by way of the Guardian, at least one UK cellphone carrier not only
has the power (and mandate) to remotely install software over the air
to users? handsets that would allow for the kind of monitoring we
thought only perverts and paranoiacs had access to: picking up audio
from the phone?s mic when the device isn?t on a call. While don?t
think the backlash on this one has really gotten underway yet, and
though we do hate to rock a clich?, we can?t help but be reminded of
that classic Benjamin Franklin quote, ?They that can give up
essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither
liberty nor safety.? What?s worse, a cellphone carrier and The Man
are gonna take it from us without our permission on the sly?

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From declan at well.com  Fri Aug  5 12:20:34 2005
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:20:34 -0700
Subject: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice warns Orwell's 1984 has
	arrived [priv]
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http://news.com.com/2061-10796_3-5820618.html

Montana Supreme Court justice warns Orwell's 1984 has arrived
August 5, 2005 12:13 PM PDT

Believe it or not, it's perfectly legal for police to rummage through
your garbage for incriminating stuff on you -- even if they don't have a
warrant or court approval.

The Supreme Court of Montana ruled last month that police could conduct
a warrantless "trash dive" into the trash cans in the alley behind the
home of a man named Darrell Pelvit. The cops discovered pseudoephedrine
boxes -- a solvent with uses including the manufacture of
methamphetamine -- and Pelvit eventually ended up in prison.

Pelvit's attorney argued that his client had a reasonable expectation of
privacy in his trash, but the court rejected the argument and said the
trash was, well, meant to be thrown away.

What's remarkable is the concurring opinion of Montana Supreme Court
Justice James C. Nelson, who reluctantly went along with his colleagues
but warned that George Orwell's 1984 had arrived. We reproduce his
concurring opinion in full:

-Declan

--------------

Justice James C. Nelson concurs.

I have signed our Opinion because we have correctly applied existing
legal theory and constitutional jurisprudence to resolve this case on
its facts.

I feel the pain of conflict, however. I fear that, eventually, we are
all going to become collateral damage in the war on drugs, or terrorism,
or whatever war is in vogue at the moment. I retain an abiding concern
that our Declaration of Rights not be killed by friendly fire. And, in
this day and age, the courts are the last, if not only, bulwark to
prevent that from happening.

In truth, though, we area throw-away society. My garbage can contains
the remains of what I eat and drink. It may contain discarded credit
card receipts along with yesterday's newspaper and junk mail. It might
hold some personal letters, bills, receipts, vouchers, medical records,
photographs and stuff that is imprinted with the multitude of assigned
numbers that allow me access to the global economy and vice versa.

My garbage can contains my DNA.

As our Opinion states, what we voluntarily throw away, what we
discard--i.e., what we abandon--is fair game for roving animals,
scavengers, busybodies, crooks and for those seeking evidence of
criminal enterprise.

Yet, as I expect with most people, when I take the day's trash (neatly
packaged in opaque plastic bags) to the garbage can each night, I give
little consideration to what I am throwing away and less thought, still,
to what might become of my refuse. I don't necessarily envision that
someone or something is going to paw through it looking for a morsel of
food, a discarded treasure, a stealable part of my identity or a piece
of evidence. But, I've seen that happen enough times to
understand--though not graciously accept--that there is nothing sacred
in whatever privacy interest I think I have retained in my trash once it
leaves my control--the Fourth Amendment and Article II, Sections 10 and
11, notwithstanding.

Like it or not, I live in a society that accepts virtual strip searches
at airports; surveillance cameras; "discount" cards that record my
buying habits; bar codes; "cookies" and spywear on my computer; on-line
access to satellite technology that can image my back yard; and
microchip radio frequency identification devices already implanted in
the family dog and soon to be integrated into my groceries, my credit
cards, my cash and my new underwear.

I know that the notes from the visit to my doctor's office may be
transcribed in some overseas country under an out-sourcing contract by a
person who couldn't care less about my privacy. I know that there are
all sorts of businesses that have records of what medications I take and
why. I know that information taken from my blood sample may wind up in
databases and be put to uses that the boilerplate on the sheaf of papers
I sign to get medical treatment doesn't even begin to disclose. I know
that my insurance companies and employer know more about me than does my
mother. I know that many aspects of my life are available on the
Internet. Even a black box in my car--or event data recorder as they are
called--is ready and willing to spill the beans on my driving habits, if
I have an event--and I really trusted that car, too.

And, I also know that my most unwelcome and paternalistic relative,
Uncle Sam, is with me from womb to tomb. Fueled by the paranoia of
"ists" and "isms," Sam has the capability of spying on everything and
everybody--and no doubt is. But, as Sam says: "It's for my own good."

In short, I know that my personal information is recorded in databases,
servers, hard drives and file cabinets all over the world. I know that
these portals to the most intimate details of my life are restricted
only by the degree of sophistication and goodwill or malevolence of the
person, institution, corporation or government that wants access to my data.

I also know that much of my life can be reconstructed from the contents
of my garbage can.

I don't like living in Orwell's 1984; but I do. And, absent the next
extinction event or civil libertarians taking charge of the government
(the former being more likely than the latter), the best we can do is
try to keep Sam and the sub-Sams on a short leash.

As our Opinion states, search and seizure jurisprudence is centered
around privacy expectations and reasonableness considerations. That is
true even under the extended protections afforded by Montana's
Constitution, Article II, Sections 10. and 11. We have ruled within
those parameters. And, as is often the case, we have had to draw a fine
line in a gray area. Justice Cotter and those who have signed the
Opinion worked hard at defining that line; and I am satisfied we've
drawn it correctly on the facts of this case and under the conventional
law of abandonment.

That said, if this Opinion is used to justify a sweep of the trash cans
of a neighborhood or community; or if a trash dive for Sudafed boxes and
matchbooks results in DNA or fingerprints being added to a forensic
database or results in personal or business records, credit card
receipts, personal correspondence or other property being archived for
some future use unrelated to the case at hand, then, absent a search
warrant, I may well reconsider my legal position and approach to these
sorts of cases--even if I have to think outside the garbage can to get
there.

I concur.
/S/ JAMES C. NELSON
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From ghicks at cadence.com  Fri Aug  5 14:39:45 2005
From: ghicks at cadence.com (Gregory Hicks)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:39:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: MixMaster and mlist2...
Message-ID: <200508052139.j75LdjYZ010028@ghicks-vpn.cadence.com>

Greetings:

I have a bit of a problem here.  The mixmaster I have set up
is having problems retrieving the mlist2.txt file

The address I have for it is:

wget -O - http://xenophon.homeip.net/echolot/mlist2.txt > mlist2 && \

But this node does not respond.  Any idea for another source of the list?

Thanks!

Regards,
Gregory Hicks




From ghicks at cadence.com  Fri Aug  5 14:45:25 2005
From: ghicks at cadence.com (Gregory Hicks)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:45:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: MixMaster and mlist2...
Message-ID: <200508052140.j75LepRh002251@mailhub.Cadence.COM>

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:39:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gregory Hicks <ghicks>
> To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
> Subject: MixMaster and mlist2...
> Cc: ghicks
> 
> Greetings:
> 
> I have a bit of a problem here.  The mixmaster I have set up
> is having problems retrieving the mlist2.txt file

Never mind.  Found one and the mailer is back running.

Appreciate opportunity to vent.

Regards,
Gregory Hicks

> 
> The address I have for it is:
> 
> wget -O - http://xenophon.homeip.net/echolot/mlist2.txt > mlist2 && \
> 
> But this node does not respond.  Any idea for another source of the 
list?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Regards,
> Gregory Hicks

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lunch.  Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the
decision." - Benjamin Franklin

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they
be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton




From steve49152 at yahoo.ca  Fri Aug  5 17:41:30 2005
From: steve49152 at yahoo.ca (Steve Thompson)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:41:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Well, they got what they want...
In-Reply-To: <20050801195849.T8473@ubzr.zsa.bet>
Message-ID: <20050806004131.31379.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- "J.A. Terranson" <measl at mfn.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Steve Thompson wrote:
> 
> > --- Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > pretend you hate.  But there is an up-side:  you're too fucking stupid
> to
> > be of permanent use to the 'Stazi', and so you can anticpate outliving
> > your usefulness eventually.
> 
> Why don't you two get a room?  I'll even subsidize it.

Beg me.


Regards,

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From measl at mfn.org  Fri Aug  5 20:48:44 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:48:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: MixMaster and mlist2...
In-Reply-To: <200508052139.j75LdjYZ010028@ghicks-vpn.cadence.com>
References: <200508052139.j75LdjYZ010028@ghicks-vpn.cadence.com>
Message-ID: <20050805224803.T2365@ubzr.zsa.bet>

On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Gregory Hicks wrote:

> Greetings:
>
> I have a bit of a problem here.  The mixmaster I have set up
> is having problems retrieving the mlist2.txt file
>
> The address I have for it is:
>
> wget -O - http://xenophon.homeip.net/echolot/mlist2.txt > mlist2 && \
>
> But this node does not respond.  Any idea for another source of the list?

Run echolot yourself?  It's *really* the better solution.

//Alif

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org
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a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and
bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they
are intended to support.

don zweig, M.D.




From ghicks at cadence.com  Sat Aug  6 01:57:31 2005
From: ghicks at cadence.com (Gregory Hicks)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:57:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: MixMaster and mlist2...
Message-ID: <200508060852.j768qvRh009879@mailhub.Cadence.COM>

> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:48:44 -0500 (CDT)
> From: "J.A. Terranson" <measl at mfn.org>
> 
> On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Gregory Hicks wrote:
> 
> > Greetings:
> >
> > I have a bit of a problem here.  The mixmaster I have set up
> > is having problems retrieving the mlist2.txt file
[...]
> 
> Run echolot yourself?  It's *really* the better solution.

Right.  Thanks!  Grabbed it and am setting it up.

Regards,
Gregory Hicks

[...]

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I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes.  I will surely
learn a great deal today.

"A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for
lunch.  Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the
decision." - Benjamin Franklin

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they
be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton




From gadhilqszs at norikomail.com  Mon Aug  8 01:21:17 2005
From: gadhilqszs at norikomail.com (Benny Bowden)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:21:17 -0200
Subject: Station 14 News: Intoxicating Read.
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From dug at aceshigh.com  Mon Aug  8 17:18:12 2005
From: dug at aceshigh.com (Lyle Crosby)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:18:12 -0800
Subject: Application approval #DBTL3484386171340635
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From frissell at panix.com  Tue Aug  9 07:13:26 2005
From: frissell at panix.com (Duncan Frissell)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:13:26 -0400
Subject: How to Exit the Matrix
In-Reply-To: <P615BUSG38566.0608912037@anonymous.poster>
References: <P615BUSG38566.0608912037@anonymous.poster>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050809100455.06250710@mail.panix.com>

At 07:27 PM 8/1/2005, anonymous at remailer.hastio.org wrote:
>Network Forensics Evasion: How to Exit the Matrix
>https://n4ez7vf37i2yvz5g.onion/howtos/ExitTheMatrix/
>Tor (tor.eff.org) required
>
>"Privacy and anonymity have been eroded to the point of non-existence in 
>recent years. In fact, in many workplaces, employers spy on and control 
>their employees Internet access, and this practice is widely considered to 
>be acceptable. How we got to a legal state where this is allowed, I'm not 
>quite sure. It seems to stem from an underlying assumption that while you 
>are at work, you are a slave - a single unit of economic output under the 
>direct and total control of your superiors. I believe this view is wrong.

All of those problems derive from the fact that you are using your 
employers computing resources.  Spend the $500 for your on laptop and 
connect to the Net via 
<http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobileoptions/broadband/index.jsp>E<http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobileoptions/broadband/index.jsp>VDO 
or one of the competing services.  Then the only issue is your personal 
productivity which is completely under your own control.

Obviously, if you are fighting the Great Enemy more advanced solutions are 
required.




From carl at tripasa.com  Tue Aug  9 14:20:05 2005
From: carl at tripasa.com (Genaro Montes)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:20:05 -0800
Subject: Your mortagee approval
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  9 10:46:24 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:46:24 -0400
Subject: Gubmint Tests Passport RFID...
Message-ID: <BAY103-F16B74E3748E249FB7FF9899BBB0@phx.gbl>

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,68451,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2

And since one's passport essentially boils down to a chip, why not implant 
it under the skin?

As for the encryption issue, can someone explain to me why it even matters? 
It would seem to me that any "on-demand" access to one's chip-stored info is 
only as secure as the encryption codes, which would have to be stored and 
which will eventually become "public", no matter how much the government 
says, "Trust us...the access codes are secure."

Seems to me, the only way to secure the RFID encrypted info would be if the 
owner (uh, I mean the citizen unit) releases said info via a personal 
encryption code, known only to the user and not by ex-welfare Gate goons. 
But I seriously doubt that that is what the government is "thinking about". 
(ie, they want to be able to read your RFID wihtout you having to perform 
any additional actions to release the information.)

The only way I see it making a difference is perhaps in the physical 
layer...encryption + shielding is probably a lot more secure than encryption 
without shielding, given an ID "phisher" wandering around an airport with a 
special purpose briefcase.

-TD




From roy at rant-central.com  Tue Aug  9 11:40:39 2005
From: roy at rant-central.com (Roy M. Silvernail)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:40:39 -0400
Subject: Gubmint Tests Passport RFID...
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F16B74E3748E249FB7FF9899BBB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F16B74E3748E249FB7FF9899BBB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1123612839.42f8f8a77d8ea@mesmer.rant-central.com>

Quoting Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com>:

> And since one's passport essentially boils down to a chip, why not implant
> it under the skin?

You say that as though it hasn't been considered.

> As for the encryption issue, can someone explain to me why it even matters?

It doesn't, actually.  There is no clear and compelling reason to make a
passport remotely readable, considering that a Customs agent still has to
visually review the document.  And if the agent has to look at it, s/he can
certainly run it through a contact-based reader in much the same way the
current design's submerged magnetic strip is read.

> It would seem to me that any "on-demand" access to one's chip-stored info is
> only as secure as the encryption codes, which would have to be stored and
> which will eventually become "public", no matter how much the government
> says, "Trust us...the access codes are secure."

http://wired-vig.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,67333,00.html?tw=wn_story_related

This story says the data will be encrypted, but the key will be printed on the
passport itself in a machine-readable format.  Once again, this requires manual
handling of the passport, so there's *still* no advantage to RFID in the
official use case.

> (ie, they want to be able to read your RFID wihtout you having to perform
> any additional actions to release the information.)

Yup. Bruce Schneier nailed the real motivation almost a year ago:

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2004/10/rfid_passports.html

Interestingly, even the on-document keying scheme doesn't address the
fundamental problem. Nowhere is it said that the whole of the remotely readable
data will be encrypted. If a GUID is left in the clear, the passport is readily
usable as a taggant by anyone privy to the GUID->meatspace map.  Without access
to the map, the tag still identifies its carrier as a U.S passport holder. 
Integrating this aspect into munitions is left as an exercise for the reader.

> The only way I see it making a difference is perhaps in the physical
> layer...encryption + shielding is probably a lot more secure than encryption
> without shielding, given an ID "phisher" wandering around an airport with a
> special purpose briefcase.

This isn't about phishing. That's just a bonus.
-- 
Roy M. Silvernail is roy at rant-central.com, and you're not
"It's just this little chromium switch, here." - TFT
SpamAssassin->procmail->/dev/null->bliss
http://www.rant-central.com




From steve49152 at yahoo.ca  Tue Aug  9 15:02:24 2005
From: steve49152 at yahoo.ca (Steve Thompson)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:02:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Gubmint Tests Passport RFID...
In-Reply-To: <1123612839.42f8f8a77d8ea@mesmer.rant-central.com>
Message-ID: <20050809220224.66801.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- "Roy M. Silvernail" <roy at rant-central.com> wrote:

> Quoting Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com>:
> 
> > And since one's passport essentially boils down to a chip, why not
> implant
> > it under the skin?
> 
> You say that as though it hasn't been considered.

Good point.  As many of us know, there are groups of well-educated people
who spend all their time on the analysis of technology: think tanks.  Who
can possibly say what sorts of universal, 'machine-readable'
identification systems are considered, and which modes of use they
imagine?  Many of the studies that are conducted under the umbrella of
think tank resarch is, of course, proprietary and restricted in
distribution.  Knowledgable individuals can do only so much (in their
spare time, for instance) towards doing their own analysis of leading-edge
technology use and misuse, and most people know this.  So, why is it that
there seem to be no open source groups who, like people in the free
software movement might write software, produce non-trivial papers on the
results of their brainstorming sessions?

If we can agree that the research of closed NSA think-tank groups might be
of immense interest to people with a vested interest in the use or misuse
of emerging technologies, then it follows that open source intelligence
analysis of technology is a field that is both very much wide-open for
exploration, and also quite critical.  People like Bruce Schneier do a
good job more or less on their own in their respective fields, but it
seems that there is likely a significant quality gap in what can be done
by individual experts, and what might be accomplished by groups of savvy
intellectuals.  

However, the playing field is such in the public realm most discussion and
analysis of these kinds of issue are relegated to science fiction,
academic journals, mailing lists, and of course blogs.  There seems to be
a reluctance on the part of a great many people to bring a more rigorous
and wide ranging type of analysis to such fields, and I am not quite sure
why.

Nevertheless, for those who are at all aware of the kind of product
produced by conventional think-tank groups, it is evident that there are
large gaps in the areas of consideration and fields of study covered by
the open-source analysis field.  This obviously affects the quality of
debate in the public sphere.

> > As for the encryption issue, can someone explain to me why it even
> matters?
> 
> It doesn't, actually.  There is no clear and compelling reason to make a
> passport remotely readable, considering that a Customs agent still has
> to
> visually review the document.  And if the agent has to look at it, s/he
> can
> certainly run it through a contact-based reader in much the same way the
> current design's submerged magnetic strip is read.
 
> > It would seem to me that any "on-demand" access to one's chip-stored
> info is
> > only as secure as the encryption codes, which would have to be stored
> and
> > which will eventually become "public", no matter how much the
> government
> > says, "Trust us...the access codes are secure."

>
http://wired-vig.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,67333,00.html?tw=wn_story_related
> 
> This story says the data will be encrypted, but the key will be printed
> on the
> passport itself in a machine-readable format.  Once again, this requires
> manual
> handling of the passport, so there's *still* no advantage to RFID in the
> official use case.


 
> > (ie, they want to be able to read your RFID wihtout you having to
> perform
> > any additional actions to release the information.)
> 
> Yup. Bruce Schneier nailed the real motivation almost a year ago:
> 
> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2004/10/rfid_passports.html

"Normally I am very careful before I ascribe such sinister motives to a
government agency. Incompetence is the norm, and malevolence is much
rarer. But this seems like a clear case of the Bush administration putting
its own interests above the security and privacy of its citizens, and then
lying about it."

I have a different threat model.  I suggest that incompetence is _often_
deliberate and, at least to those who orchestrate such things, is designed
to leave or provide cracks in arbitrary systesm that will be expoited. 
This may be defensible in cases where someone wants to encourage child
molesters to expose their operations to sophisticated intelligence and
surveillance activities, but is harder to defend when such policies affect
the integrity of the money supply, or the transportation infrastructure,
or ....
 
> Interestingly, even the on-document keying scheme doesn't address the
> fundamental problem. Nowhere is it said that the whole of the remotely
> readable
> data will be encrypted. If a GUID is left in the clear, the passport is
> readily
> usable as a taggant by anyone privy to the GUID->meatspace map.  Without
> access
> to the map, the tag still identifies its carrier as a U.S passport
> holder. 
> Integrating this aspect into munitions is left as an exercise for the
> reader.
> 
> > The only way I see it making a difference is perhaps in the physical
> > layer...encryption + shielding is probably a lot more secure than
> encryption
> > without shielding, given an ID "phisher" wandering around an airport
> with a
> > special purpose briefcase.
> 
> This isn't about phishing. That's just a bonus.

Yep.


Regards,

Steve


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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  9 17:09:48 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:09:48 -0400
Subject: Gubmint Tests Passport RFID...
In-Reply-To: <20050809220224.66801.qmail@web33514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F58D4C2C3B343773759DA89BBA0@phx.gbl>

Whaddya know. Thompson said something that didn't make me want to beat him 
to death...

>I have a different threat model.  I suggest that incompetence is _often_
>deliberate and, at least to those who orchestrate such things, is designed
>to leave or provide cracks in arbitrary systesm that will be expoited.
>This may be defensible in cases where someone wants to encourage child
>molesters to expose their operations to sophisticated intelligence and
>surveillance activities, but is harder to defend when such policies affect
>the integrity of the money supply, or the transportation infrastructure,
>or ....

I've reached more or less the same conclusion. Or at least, incompetence may 
not be deliberate per se, but the byproduct of a system that needs to appear 
to care but is otherwise silently incented not to. Checking bags in the NYC 
transit system is the ultimate example of this: Completely, absolutely 
pointless in the face of a determined foe. (Meanwhile, of course, there's 
all sorts of state shennanegins that are possible through such an 
arrangement.)

The obvious question is how much 9/11/01 is an example of this. For me, the 
conspiracy theories just don't quite add up (close though) but a moderately 
sharpened Occam's razor leads one to believe that some 'deliberate' holes 
were left open, which bin Laden, et al exploited. (I actually still believe 
that Bush didn't expect that level of damage, however.)

As for the integrity of the money supply, I must succumb to temptation and 
question whether the Stalinst model of a demand economy (servicing an 
endless war on terror) hasn't been looked at by folks such as Wolfowitz, 
Cheney and so on.

-TD




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Subject: Application approval #IIJIVTL96435504836294
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From steve49152 at yahoo.ca  Sat Aug 13 12:20:54 2005
From: steve49152 at yahoo.ca (Steve Thompson)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:20:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Gubmint Tests Passport RFID...
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F58D4C2C3B343773759DA89BBA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050813192054.56436.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Whaddya know. Thompson said something that didn't make me want to beat
> him to death...

Too bad for you that I cannot say the same about what you write.
 
> > I have a different threat model.
>
> I've reached more or less the same conclusion. Or at least, incompetence
> may 
> not be deliberate per se, but the byproduct of a system that needs to
> appear 
> to care but is otherwise silently incented not to. Checking bags in the
> NYC 
> transit system is the ultimate example of this: Completely, absolutely 
> pointless in the face of a determined foe. (Meanwhile, of course,
> there's 
> all sorts of state shennanegins that are possible through such an 
> arrangement.)

No fucking shit.  Thanks for pointing this out to me.
 
> The obvious question is how much 9/11/01 is an example of this. For me,
> the 
> conspiracy theories just don't quite add up (close though) but a
> moderately 
> sharpened Occam's razor leads one to believe that some 'deliberate'
> holes 
> were left open, which bin Laden, et al exploited. (I actually still
> believe 
> that Bush didn't expect that level of damage, however.)

I don't know Bush, personally, and so I feel that it would be improper to
suggest that his unspoken cost-benefit analysis resulted in a particular
set of actions.
 
> As for the integrity of the money supply, I must succumb to temptation
> and 
> question whether the Stalinst model of a demand economy (servicing an 
> endless war on terror) hasn't been looked at by folks such as Wolfowitz,
> Cheney and so on.

Suckkumb all you want.


Regards,

Steve



	

	
		
__________________________________________________________ 
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca




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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 17 08:11:45 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:11:45 -0400
Subject: Gubmint Tests Passport RFID...
In-Reply-To: <20050813192054.56436.qmail@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F41BC94D5FBFF98E9889E29BB30@phx.gbl>

Gee whiz I'm scared. Look, since you're angling for some stats, come on over 
to New York. I'll meet you on the corner of 135th Street and St Nicholas 
Avenue (we call that neighborhood Harlem). Look for me: 6'1", 220 lbs and 
looking EXACTLY like someone would look after 7 years of GoJu training...I'm 
the guy even the locals won't fuck with.

-Tyler Durden


>From: Steve Thompson <steve49152 at yahoo.ca>
>To: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com>
>CC: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Re: Gubmint Tests Passport RFID...
>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:20:54 -0400 (EDT)
>
>--- Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Whaddya know. Thompson said something that didn't make me want to beat
> > him to death...
>
>Too bad for you that I cannot say the same about what you write.
>
> > > I have a different threat model.
> >
> > I've reached more or less the same conclusion. Or at least, incompetence
> > may
> > not be deliberate per se, but the byproduct of a system that needs to
> > appear
> > to care but is otherwise silently incented not to. Checking bags in the
> > NYC
> > transit system is the ultimate example of this: Completely, absolutely
> > pointless in the face of a determined foe. (Meanwhile, of course,
> > there's
> > all sorts of state shennanegins that are possible through such an
> > arrangement.)
>
>No fucking shit.  Thanks for pointing this out to me.
>
> > The obvious question is how much 9/11/01 is an example of this. For me,
> > the
> > conspiracy theories just don't quite add up (close though) but a
> > moderately
> > sharpened Occam's razor leads one to believe that some 'deliberate'
> > holes
> > were left open, which bin Laden, et al exploited. (I actually still
> > believe
> > that Bush didn't expect that level of damage, however.)
>
>I don't know Bush, personally, and so I feel that it would be improper to
>suggest that his unspoken cost-benefit analysis resulted in a particular
>set of actions.
>
> > As for the integrity of the money supply, I must succumb to temptation
> > and
> > question whether the Stalinst model of a demand economy (servicing an
> > endless war on terror) hasn't been looked at by folks such as Wolfowitz,
> > Cheney and so on.
>
>Suckkumb all you want.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>__________________________________________________________
>Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca




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From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:51:19 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] Cellphone carriers can listen in through
  your phone]
Message-ID: <20050817135118.GU5684@leitl.org>

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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 18 10:45:39 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:45:39 -0400
Subject: no visas for Chinese cryptologists
In-Reply-To: <4304B83D.9090903@gmx.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F14E3689A91654F7353E9D89BB20@phx.gbl>

Hey...this looks interesting. I'd like to see the email chain before this.

While living in China I learned that whatever Jong Nan Hai most vociferously 
denies will almost certainly be true, so even Chinese Government propaganda 
is very interesting.

-TD


>From: Dave Howe <DaveHowe at gmx.co.uk>
>To: Email List: Cypherpunks <cypherpunks at jfet.org>
>Subject: Re: no visas for Chinese cryptologists
>Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:33:01 +0100
>
>Hasan Diwan wrote:
>>if the US wants to maintain  its fantasy, it will need a Ministry of Truth 
>>to
>>do so. Cheers, Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan at gmail.com>
>And the airing of government-issued news bulletins without attributation 
>(or
>indeed, anything from Fox News) doesn't convince you there already is one?




From DaveHowe at gmx.co.uk  Thu Aug 18 09:33:01 2005
From: DaveHowe at gmx.co.uk (Dave Howe)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:33:01 +0100
Subject: no visas for Chinese cryptologists
In-Reply-To: <AA1A75BE-2102-449E-B4A6-3ACE9641A649@gmail.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050817113629.025dece8@127.0.0.1>
  <AA1A75BE-2102-449E-B4A6-3ACE9641A649@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4304B83D.9090903@gmx.co.uk>

Hasan Diwan wrote:
> if the US wants to maintain  its fantasy, it will need a Ministry of Truth to
> do so. Cheers, Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan at gmail.com>
And the airing of government-issued news bulletins without attributation (or
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From DaveHowe at gmx.co.uk  Thu Aug 18 11:24:17 2005
From: DaveHowe at gmx.co.uk (Dave Howe)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:24:17 +0100
Subject: no visas for Chinese cryptologists
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F14E3689A91654F7353E9D89BB20@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F14E3689A91654F7353E9D89BB20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4304D251.9070902@gmx.co.uk>

Tyler Durden wrote:
> Hey...this looks interesting. I'd like to see the email chain before this.
sorry, accidental crosspost from mailto:cryptography at metzdowd.com; see
http://diswww.mit.edu/bloom-picayune/crypto/18225 for the post it is a reply to.




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From measl at mfn.org  Thu Aug 18 21:51:10 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:51:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Gubmint Tests Passport RFID...
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F41BC94D5FBFF98E9889E29BB30@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F41BC94D5FBFF98E9889E29BB30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050818234936.C95003@ubzr.zsa.bet>

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Tyler Durden wrote:

> Gee whiz I'm scared. Look, since you're angling for some stats, come on over
> to New York. I'll meet you on the corner of 135th Street and St Nicholas
> Avenue (we call that neighborhood Harlem).

Actually, isn't that technically "Spanish harlem"?


> Look for me: 6'1", 220 lbs and
> looking EXACTLY like someone would look after 7 years of GoJu training...I'm
> the guy even the locals won't fuck with.

I know many of those locals, and 7 years of GoJu aint gonna do shit for a
1200fps projectile.

> -Tyler Durden

Remember, L-IIIa is your friend. :-)

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org
0xBD4A95BF


I like the idea of belief in drug-prohibition as a religion in that it is
a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and
bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they
are intended to support.

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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 19 07:56:05 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:56:05 -0400
Subject: Gubmint Tests Passport RFID...
Message-ID: <BAY103-F274FC422C5636EA0D617F99BB50@phx.gbl>

>Actually, isn't that technically "Spanish harlem"?

Nope.

> > Look for me: 6'1", 220 lbs and
> > looking EXACTLY like someone would look after 7 years of GoJu 
>training...I'm
> > the guy even the locals won't fuck with.
>
>I know many of those locals, and 7 years of GoJu aint gonna do shit for a
>1200fps projectile.

Apparently you don't. You don't fuck with others they won't fuck with you, 
because someone you don't know could always be packin.

Actually, that corner would make a pretty nice kill zone as it's next to a 
big park with lots of bushes and few witnesses. Think about it, 
motherfucker.

>
> > -Tyler Durden
>
>Remember, L-IIIa is your friend. :-)

And SG IIIb yours.

-TD




>
>--
>Yours,
>
>J.A. Terranson
>sysadmin at mfn.org
>0xBD4A95BF
>
>
>I like the idea of belief in drug-prohibition as a religion in that it is
>a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and
>bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they
>are intended to support.
>
>don zweig, M.D.




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 19 07:59:37 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:59:37 -0400
Subject: Gubmint Tests Passport RFID...
In-Reply-To: <20050818234936.C95003@ubzr.zsa.bet>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F25B720617D77A08ADF8CA19BB50@phx.gbl>

Sorry. Got you mixed up with the other dude.

You seem willing to back up any slams with facts & quotes, so all respect is 
given. A good fight strengthens us, a sniper smells of MwGs.

Sorry again.

-TD


>From: "J.A. Terranson" <measl at mfn.org>
>To: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com>
>CC: steve49152 at yahoo.ca, cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: Re: Gubmint Tests Passport RFID...
>Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:51:10 -0500 (CDT)
>
>On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Tyler Durden wrote:
>
> > Gee whiz I'm scared. Look, since you're angling for some stats, come on 
>over
> > to New York. I'll meet you on the corner of 135th Street and St Nicholas
> > Avenue (we call that neighborhood Harlem).
>
>Actually, isn't that technically "Spanish harlem"?
>
>
> > Look for me: 6'1", 220 lbs and
> > looking EXACTLY like someone would look after 7 years of GoJu 
>training...I'm
> > the guy even the locals won't fuck with.
>
>I know many of those locals, and 7 years of GoJu aint gonna do shit for a
>1200fps projectile.
>
> > -Tyler Durden
>
>Remember, L-IIIa is your friend. :-)
>
>--
>Yours,
>
>J.A. Terranson
>sysadmin at mfn.org
>0xBD4A95BF
>
>
>I like the idea of belief in drug-prohibition as a religion in that it is
>a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and
>bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they
>are intended to support.
>
>don zweig, M.D.




From eugen at leitl.org  Fri Aug 19 12:55:41 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:55:41 +0200
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice
  warns Orwell's 1984 has arrived [priv]]
Message-ID: <20050819195541.GI7813@leitl.org>

----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com> -----


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Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 01:12:05 -0800
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From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 21 09:53:15 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:53:15 -0400
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice
  warns Orwell's  1984 has arrived [priv]]
In-Reply-To: <20050819195541.GI7813@leitl.org>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F1701ED1747BE950CE52F419BB70@phx.gbl>

Holy Fuck we need some smarter people in this society.

OK, you threw away your trash. I see no inherent reason why someone else 
can't grab it. But INFORMATION about you isn't trash. Then again, you do 
"throw away" the photons that exit through your windows, so I guess cops 
should be able to stare at you through binoculars all the time and haul you 
in based on the photons you've thrown away.

Oh, and to take it further, police should have immediate, un-warranted 
access to the "trashcan" on your computer, at all times. Indeed, there 
should be a registry that constantly monitors what you're throwing away, 
because it's just (digital) trash, right?

As for crystal meth, I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but if I want 
to pour something from my chemistry set down my throat that shouldn't be 
anybody's business. The fact that it doesn't accidentally kill me and indeed 
gives me a buzz shouldn't be the sole provence of the pharmaceutical 
companies. After that, if you want to make laws about selling the stuff well 
that's a different matter.

-TD


>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: cypherpunks at jfet.org
>Subject: [declan at well.com: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice  warns 
>Orwell's 1984 has arrived [priv]]
>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:55:41 +0200
>
>----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com> -----
>
>From: Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com>
>Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:20:34 -0700
>To: politech at politechbot.com
>Subject: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice warns Orwell's 1984 has
>	arrived [priv]
>User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317)
>
>
>
>http://news.com.com/2061-10796_3-5820618.html
>
>Montana Supreme Court justice warns Orwell's 1984 has arrived
>August 5, 2005 12:13 PM PDT
>
>Believe it or not, it's perfectly legal for police to rummage through
>your garbage for incriminating stuff on you -- even if they don't have a
>warrant or court approval.
>
>The Supreme Court of Montana ruled last month that police could conduct
>a warrantless "trash dive" into the trash cans in the alley behind the
>home of a man named Darrell Pelvit. The cops discovered pseudoephedrine
>boxes -- a solvent with uses including the manufacture of
>methamphetamine -- and Pelvit eventually ended up in prison.
>
>Pelvit's attorney argued that his client had a reasonable expectation of
>privacy in his trash, but the court rejected the argument and said the
>trash was, well, meant to be thrown away.
>
>What's remarkable is the concurring opinion of Montana Supreme Court
>Justice James C. Nelson, who reluctantly went along with his colleagues
>but warned that George Orwell's 1984 had arrived. We reproduce his
>concurring opinion in full:
>
>-Declan
>
>--------------
>
>Justice James C. Nelson concurs.
>
>I have signed our Opinion because we have correctly applied existing
>legal theory and constitutional jurisprudence to resolve this case on
>its facts.
>
>I feel the pain of conflict, however. I fear that, eventually, we are
>all going to become collateral damage in the war on drugs, or terrorism,
>or whatever war is in vogue at the moment. I retain an abiding concern
>that our Declaration of Rights not be killed by friendly fire. And, in
>this day and age, the courts are the last, if not only, bulwark to
>prevent that from happening.
>
>In truth, though, we area throw-away society. My garbage can contains
>the remains of what I eat and drink. It may contain discarded credit
>card receipts along with yesterday's newspaper and junk mail. It might
>hold some personal letters, bills, receipts, vouchers, medical records,
>photographs and stuff that is imprinted with the multitude of assigned
>numbers that allow me access to the global economy and vice versa.
>
>My garbage can contains my DNA.
>
>As our Opinion states, what we voluntarily throw away, what we
>discard--i.e., what we abandon--is fair game for roving animals,
>scavengers, busybodies, crooks and for those seeking evidence of
>criminal enterprise.
>
>Yet, as I expect with most people, when I take the day's trash (neatly
>packaged in opaque plastic bags) to the garbage can each night, I give
>little consideration to what I am throwing away and less thought, still,
>to what might become of my refuse. I don't necessarily envision that
>someone or something is going to paw through it looking for a morsel of
>food, a discarded treasure, a stealable part of my identity or a piece
>of evidence. But, I've seen that happen enough times to
>understand--though not graciously accept--that there is nothing sacred
>in whatever privacy interest I think I have retained in my trash once it
>leaves my control--the Fourth Amendment and Article II, Sections 10 and
>11, notwithstanding.
>
>Like it or not, I live in a society that accepts virtual strip searches
>at airports; surveillance cameras; "discount" cards that record my
>buying habits; bar codes; "cookies" and spywear on my computer; on-line
>access to satellite technology that can image my back yard; and
>microchip radio frequency identification devices already implanted in
>the family dog and soon to be integrated into my groceries, my credit
>cards, my cash and my new underwear.
>
>I know that the notes from the visit to my doctor's office may be
>transcribed in some overseas country under an out-sourcing contract by a
>person who couldn't care less about my privacy. I know that there are
>all sorts of businesses that have records of what medications I take and
>why. I know that information taken from my blood sample may wind up in
>databases and be put to uses that the boilerplate on the sheaf of papers
>I sign to get medical treatment doesn't even begin to disclose. I know
>that my insurance companies and employer know more about me than does my
>mother. I know that many aspects of my life are available on the
>Internet. Even a black box in my car--or event data recorder as they are
>called--is ready and willing to spill the beans on my driving habits, if
>I have an event--and I really trusted that car, too.
>
>And, I also know that my most unwelcome and paternalistic relative,
>Uncle Sam, is with me from womb to tomb. Fueled by the paranoia of
>"ists" and "isms," Sam has the capability of spying on everything and
>everybody--and no doubt is. But, as Sam says: "It's for my own good."
>
>In short, I know that my personal information is recorded in databases,
>servers, hard drives and file cabinets all over the world. I know that
>these portals to the most intimate details of my life are restricted
>only by the degree of sophistication and goodwill or malevolence of the
>person, institution, corporation or government that wants access to my 
>data.
>
>I also know that much of my life can be reconstructed from the contents
>of my garbage can.
>
>I don't like living in Orwell's 1984; but I do. And, absent the next
>extinction event or civil libertarians taking charge of the government
>(the former being more likely than the latter), the best we can do is
>try to keep Sam and the sub-Sams on a short leash.
>
>As our Opinion states, search and seizure jurisprudence is centered
>around privacy expectations and reasonableness considerations. That is
>true even under the extended protections afforded by Montana's
>Constitution, Article II, Sections 10. and 11. We have ruled within
>those parameters. And, as is often the case, we have had to draw a fine
>line in a gray area. Justice Cotter and those who have signed the
>Opinion worked hard at defining that line; and I am satisfied we've
>drawn it correctly on the facts of this case and under the conventional
>law of abandonment.
>
>That said, if this Opinion is used to justify a sweep of the trash cans
>of a neighborhood or community; or if a trash dive for Sudafed boxes and
>matchbooks results in DNA or fingerprints being added to a forensic
>database or results in personal or business records, credit card
>receipts, personal correspondence or other property being archived for
>some future use unrelated to the case at hand, then, absent a search
>warrant, I may well reconsider my legal position and approach to these
>sorts of cases--even if I have to think outside the garbage can to get
>there.
>
>I concur.
>/S/ JAMES C. NELSON
>_______________________________________________
>Politech mailing list
>Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/
>Moderated by Declan McCullagh (http://www.mccullagh.org/)
>
>----- End forwarded message -----
>
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From coderman at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 15:26:48 2005
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:26:48 -0700
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice
  warns Orwell's 1984 has arrived [priv]]
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F1701ED1747BE950CE52F419BB70@phx.gbl>
References: <20050819195541.GI7813@leitl.org> 	
  <BAY103-F1701ED1747BE950CE52F419BB70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4ef5fec6050822152676f92a51@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/21/05, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at hotmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> As for crystal meth, I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but if I want
> to pour something from my chemistry set down my throat that shouldn't be
> anybody's business. The fact that it doesn't accidentally kill me and indeed
> gives me a buzz shouldn't be the sole provence of the pharmaceutical
> companies. After that, if you want to make laws about selling the stuff well
> that's a different matter.

the state of oregon just passed a law (yet to be put into effect) that
requires a prescription from a doctor for all sudafed (pseudo
ephedrine) purchases.  the problem isn't drug addicts killing
themselves with corrosive fluids, as this would be a problem that
solves itself in short order, but rather that meth heads are idiotic
crime machines.  i've had numerous friends and acquaintances affected
by this (vehicles stolen or broken into, property damaged and/or
stolen, tweakers robbing at knife point, etc, etc) and it's getting
ridiculous*.

big brother isn't the answer, but when you get a lot of pissed off
citizens and overwhelmed police involved the solutions they settle for
are going to be ugly and invasive.

what a fucking mess...

----

* last week a tweaker out of jail for only a few weeks went around to
our hay growers neighbors and stole all sorts of random crap from
homes up and down the road he lived on.  everything from elk antlers
to hand made arrows for bow hunting, power tools loaded into a wheel
barrow, the most random crap.  the only reason he didn't hit our hay
grower was that last time he stole from them they went to his parents
house and told him "the next time your son steals from my home you'll
be attending a funeral".  now that's closer to an effective solution.
:)




From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Mon Aug 22 21:27:02 2005
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:27:02 -0700
Subject: GPS Jammer Firm nearly ejected from Russian air show.
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050822212540.038571a0@pop.idiom.com>

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2005/08/22/002.html

Monday, August 22, 2005. Issue 3235. Page 1.

Irksome Firm Nearly Ejected From Air Show
By Lyuba Pronina
Staff Writer

Ivan Sekretarev / AP

Spectators watching the Patrouille de France aerobatic team perform during 
the MAKS air show at the Zhukovsky airfield outside Moscow on Saturday.

ZHUKOVSKY, Moscow Region -- The jamming equipment made by Aviakonversia is 
so effective against U.S. planes and missiles that it apparently provoked 
an angry phone call to the Kremlin from U.S. President George W. Bush in 
the first days of the Iraq war.

Russian officials do not seem to have forgotten the scandal and on Friday 
tried to shut down the company's stand at the Seventh Moscow Aviation and 
Space Show, MAKS 2005, said Aviakonversia director Oleg Antonov.

Perhaps the company's presence was simply too embarrassing, considering 
that the U.S. Air Force occupied a prominent place on the tarmac, 
displaying a B-1B bomber, F-15 and F-16 fighters, and two bulbous tanker 
planes used in mid-air refueling.

Three representatives of the Federal Industry Agency and the Federal 
Service for Technical and Export Control, which oversees the export of 
defense technology, unsuccessfully attempted to close the stand on the 
grounds that Aviakonversia had not received clearance from the Defense 
Ministry to showcase its product, Antonov said.

The government representatives, concealing their ID badges, did not allow 
this reporter to be present during their conversation with Antonov.

"They demanded we pack up, but we have the right to be here -- we paid the 
rent for this stall," Antonov said after the meeting. "We have made the 
product using our own money and do not need the approval from the Defense 
Ministry, a grocery director or a banya director."
<img>

The Federal Industry Agency was unavailable for comment over the weekend.

Aviakonversia, which makes devices that jam the global positioning systems 
used in navigation, caused a storm of protest from Washington in the early 
days of the Iraq war in March 2003.

Antonov, who for 24 years worked in the State Research Institute of 
Aviation Systems developing defense systems for planes, founded 
Aviakonversia with a dozen staffers in 1992.

The company developed jammers that interfere with GPS signals and were 
apparently used by Iraqi forces during the U.S.-led invasion.

The Bush administration charged that Aviakonversia personnel were on the 
ground instructing Iraqi forces how to use and maintain the equipment, The 
Washington Post reported at the time.

"Our GPS jammer puts all U.S. high-precision weapons out of order," Antonov 
said. "They have turned billions of dollars that the U.S. government has 
spent into dust."

Antonov denied that his company delivered any equipment directly to Saddam 
Hussein but acknowledged it might have reached Iraq via arms dealers.

"Right before the war, there were a lot of people in Moscow with suitcases 
full of money shopping for anything that could deter U.S. troops," Antonov 
said.

Aviakonversia now manufactures its gear outside Russia so as not to 
irritate the authorities, he said, though he declined to specify where. He 
also refused to identify his clients, saying only that they were foreign 
governments that acquired the jammers through middlemen.

The German peacekeeping contingent in Afghanistan recently sent 
Aviakonversia a letter thanking it for the jammers, which it deployed to 
interfere with GPS receivers used by Taliban fighters, Antonov said.

After Aviakonversia first displayed its wares at MAKS 1997, the Pentagon 
acquired a few dozen jammers, Antonov said.

"Then they went quiet."

A hubbub ensued, however, in the first days of hostilities, when U.S. 
forces had difficulty in honing in on their targets. Bush reportedly picked 
up the phone to voice concern to President Vladimir Putin that Iraqi forces 
were using Russian-made night-vision goggles, GPS jammers and anti-tank 
missiles.

Antonov lamented that his company did not reap more praise back home.

A representative of state-owned Phazotron-NIIR, the maker of radars for 
fighter jets, also said Friday that their stand had been rigorously 
inspected by the export control service.

Some weapons systems -- such as the S-400 air defense system -- were not 
even displayed at MAKS, despite previous advertisements.

The main innovation on display at MAKS was the MiG-29OVT with all-axis 
thrust vector-controlled engines that allow for greater maneuverability at 
low speeds.

Irkut Corp. demonstrated its innovative unmanned aerial vehicles for 
civilian use, with the Emergency Situations Ministry likely to be its first 
customer.




From coderman at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 10:25:22 2005
From: coderman at gmail.com (coderman)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:25:22 -0700
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice
  warns Orwell's 1984 has arrived [priv]]
In-Reply-To: <20050823120855.V39327@ubzr.zsa.bet>
References: <BAY103-F36DB50112F15FA2614B689BA90@phx.gbl> 	
  <20050823120855.V39327@ubzr.zsa.bet>
Message-ID: <4ef5fec60508231025728257d1@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/23/05, J.A. Terranson <measl at mfn.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Tyler Durden wrote:
> > Yes, but the old question needs to be asked: How much of this crime would go
> > away if crystal meth were legal? 

agreed; though i'd rather see them taking something less neurotoxic,
like dex or racemic amphetamine.


> Lets not forget the lessons of the NYC Methadone "Maintenance" Programs
> either...  Along with legalization
> must come the removal of monopoly practices such a single sourcing of the
> drug and prescriptions to dispense.  Only then does the free market take
> over and keep the price, and the crime, low.

fortunately stimulants are some of the cheapest drugs to produce minus
all the regulatory overhead.


> I like the idea of belief in drug-prohibition as a religion in that it is
> a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and
> bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they
> are intended to support.
> 
> don zweig, M.D.

i'm saving this quote :)




From measl at mfn.org  Tue Aug 23 10:12:44 2005
From: measl at mfn.org (J.A. Terranson)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:12:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice 
   warns Orwell's  1984 has arrived [priv]]
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F36DB50112F15FA2614B689BA90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F36DB50112F15FA2614B689BA90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050823120855.V39327@ubzr.zsa.bet>

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Tyler Durden wrote:

> Yes, but the old question needs to be asked: How much of this crime would go
> away if crystal meth were legal? There's little doubt that the vast majority
> of drug-related crime stems not from some crazed crime spree but from issues
> relating to supply and demand. Legalizing drug XYZ no doubt drops the cost.

Lets not forget the lessons of the NYC Methadone "Maintenance" Programs
either.  While heroin results in crime due to high cost (by virtue of
illegalization), the legal version also creates crime due to it's high
cost.  The MMPs have the same "Money or else" position that the junkie
faces on the street, and while the prices are certainly lower, they are
NOT "low".  In 1983 a junkie expected to pay $40-$80 per *day* for
maintenance (I'm sure it's a lot higher today).  Along with legalization
must come the removal of monopoly practices such a single sourcing of the
drug and prescriptions to dispense.  Only then does the free market take
over and keep the price, and the crime, low.

> Then again, if we legalized a lot of drugs then what would all those
> corrections officers do for a living? Become airport security experts no
> doubt.

Move Stars.  Presidents.  McBodies...

> -TD

-- 
Yours,

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org
0xBD4A95BF


I like the idea of belief in drug-prohibition as a religion in that it is
a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and
bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they
are intended to support.

don zweig, M.D.




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 23 09:43:14 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:43:14 -0400
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice
  warns Orwell's  1984 has arrived [priv]]
In-Reply-To: <4ef5fec6050822152676f92a51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F36DB50112F15FA2614B689BA90@phx.gbl>

Coderman wrote...

>the state of oregon just passed a law (yet to be put into effect) that
>requires a prescription from a doctor for all sudafed (pseudo
>ephedrine) purchases.  the problem isn't drug addicts killing
>themselves with corrosive fluids, as this would be a problem that
>solves itself in short order, but rather that meth heads are idiotic
>crime machines.  i've had numerous friends and acquaintances affected
>by this (vehicles stolen or broken into, property damaged and/or
>stolen, tweakers robbing at knife point, etc, etc) and it's getting
>ridiculous*.

Yes, but the old question needs to be asked: How much of this crime would go 
away if crystal meth were legal? There's little doubt that the vast majority 
of drug-related crime stems not from some crazed crime spree but from issues 
relating to supply and demand. Legalizing drug XYZ no doubt drops the cost.

Then again, if we legalized a lot of drugs then what would all those 
corrections officers do for a living? Become airport security experts no 
doubt.

-TD




From s.schear at comcast.net  Tue Aug 23 12:57:15 2005
From: s.schear at comcast.net (Steve Schear)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:57:15 -0700
Subject: GPS Jammer Firm nearly ejected from Russian air show.
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050822212540.038571a0@pop.idiom.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050822212540.038571a0@pop.idiom.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050823123317.05096d80@mail.comcast.net>

At 09:27 PM 8/22/2005, Bill Stewart wrote:
>http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2005/08/22/002.html
>
>Monday, August 22, 2005. Issue 3235. Page 1.
>
>Irksome Firm Nearly Ejected From Air Show
>By Lyuba Pronina
>Staff Writer
>
>Ivan Sekretarev / AP
>
>Spectators watching the Patrouille de France aerobatic team perform during 
>the MAKS air show at the Zhukovsky airfield outside Moscow on Saturday.
>
>ZHUKOVSKY, Moscow Region -- The jamming equipment made by Aviakonversia is 
>so effective against U.S. planes and missiles that it apparently provoked 
>an angry phone call to the Kremlin from U.S. President George W. Bush in 
>the first days of the Iraq war.

Some unclassified U.S. military analysis of the the Aviakonversia portable 
GPS/GLONASS jammer from 1997 http://www.ac11.org/gps1.htm

Some of the guided munitions foiled by GPS jammers 
http://www.f-16.net/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=printpub&tid=6&pid=9

Articles about jammer kits and countermeasures
http://www.letterneversent.com/index.php/archives/2002/12/29/gps-jamming/
http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news001/gpsnews001.htm
http://www.mayflowercom.com/products.html
http://www.gpsworld.com/gpsworld/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=81907


Steve 




From ptrei at rsasecurity.com  Tue Aug 23 10:39:17 2005
From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:39:17 -0400
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice
  warns Orwell's 1984 has arrived [priv]]
Message-ID: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776F19@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>

Tyler Durden writes:

> Yes, but the old question needs to be asked: How much of this 
> crime would go away if crystal meth were legal? 

Actually, if we ever managed to kill the culture of prohibition,
I suspect that crystal meth would be about as popular is bathtub
gin is today. It's terrible stuff.

I'd expect the big pharmas to start 'recreational drug' wings,
which would bring real research power to the problem of finding
highs which are fun, safe, affordable, and with minimal physical 
addiction.

"I need a new drug..."

Peter Trei




From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Aug 23 12:02:04 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:02:04 -0400
Subject: New Drugs
In-Reply-To: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776F19@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>
References: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776F19@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>
Message-ID: <p0623092dbf311beea00f@[68.167.57.91]>

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At 1:39 PM -0400 8/23/05, Trei, Peter wrote:

>"I [want] a new drug..."

I would request the irony-impaired actually look up the lyrics of this paen
to endogenous ero-endorphins, written by a drug-hating San Francisco
"acid-kindergarten" refugee.

In the meantime, I'm all for the legalization of meth -- as long as I get
to sharpen my Recon Tonto and personally slit the bag of any of the bastids
as they  cross my windowsill looking for something to steal.


Kinda like opening the borders without killing the welfare state first.
Okay, maybe our porous borders *will* kill the welfare state, of course,
Reagan used unrestrained soviet-killing budget deficits to "kill" the
welfare state en passant. He didn't? I mean, Clinton *did* say "...big
government is over.", right? Right??? <looks offstage> This thing on?


Cheers,
RAH
The only to "legalize" anything is when progress makes the law superfluous.

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The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From demonfighter at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 12:11:49 2005
From: demonfighter at gmail.com (Steve Furlong)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:11:49 -0400
Subject: New Drugs
In-Reply-To: <p0623092dbf311beea00f@68.167.57.91>
References: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776F19@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>
  	 <p0623092dbf311beea00f@68.167.57.91>
Message-ID: <7d752ae30508231211386aa762@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/23/05, R.A. Hettinga <rah at shipwright.com> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> 
> At 1:39 PM -0400 8/23/05, Trei, Peter wrote:
> 
> >"I [want] a new drug..."
> 
> I would request the irony-impaired actually look up the lyrics of this paen
> to endogenous ero-endorphins, written by a drug-hating San Francisco
> "acid-kindergarten" refugee.

Especially the closing line of the refrain. I think the point was that
if you get laid regularly you don't need drugs. Works for me.

-- 
There are no bad teachers, only defective children.




From camera_lumina at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 23 13:14:16 2005
From: camera_lumina at hotmail.com (Tyler Durden)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:14:16 -0400
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice
  warns Orwell's  1984 has arrived [priv]]
In-Reply-To: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776F19@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F1747BA7680F6FDF2CD77F19BA90@phx.gbl>

Supposedly, the tobacco companies have had commercial marijuana products 
ready forever (I've even seen photos, but I always suspected they were 
doctored up stoner's dreams).
The idea that the pharmaceutical companies would start actively researching 
new designer drugs is fascinating and scary...wait, scratch that "scary", 
because it can't be scarier than drug-related crime in the US.

The New York Times Magazine had a fascinating story years back on the US's 
marijuana industry. it's apparently the #2 export crop and US pot technology 
is in some cases extremely, uh, high. They described growers with strings of 
apartments in various US states connected with sesnors to the internet. If 
any of the apartments showed signs of entry, the grower would never return. 
(Each apartment supposedly had low levels of crops to fly under certain 
state laws if they were ever caught.) No doubt some of those growers are 
good customers of RSA products!

-TD


>From: "Trei, Peter" <ptrei at rsasecurity.com>
>To: "Tyler Durden" <camera_lumina at hotmail.com>, <cypherpunks at minder.net>,   
>      <coderman at gmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [declan at well.com: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice 
>warns Orwell's 1984 has arrived [priv]]
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:39:17 -0400
>
>Tyler Durden writes:
>
> > Yes, but the old question needs to be asked: How much of this
> > crime would go away if crystal meth were legal?
>
>Actually, if we ever managed to kill the culture of prohibition,
>I suspect that crystal meth would be about as popular is bathtub
>gin is today. It's terrible stuff.
>
>I'd expect the big pharmas to start 'recreational drug' wings,
>which would bring real research power to the problem of finding
>highs which are fun, safe, affordable, and with minimal physical
>addiction.
>
>"I need a new drug..."
>
>Peter Trei




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From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:12:16 -0700
Subject: [declan@well.com: [Politech] Montana Supreme Court justice 
   warns Orwell's 1984 has arrived [priv]]
In-Reply-To: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776F19@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.R
   SA.NET>
References: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776F19@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050823174001.03852880@pop.idiom.com>

At 10:39 AM 8/23/2005, Trei, Peter wrote:
>Tyler Durden writes:
> > Yes, but the old question needs to be asked: How much of this
> > crime would go away if crystal meth were legal?
>
>Actually, if we ever managed to kill the culture of prohibition,
>I suspect that crystal meth would be about as popular is bathtub
>gin is today. It's terrible stuff.

Meth is not fundamentally that different from Sudafed,
and the nasty chemical processes of extracting the sugar coating
and filler material and moving around a couple of methyl and hydroxy groups
and disposing of the bodies of the people you thought were ratting you out
to the police and the space alien biker gangs could all be avoided
if you could make it legally at a big pharma company.

Before the War on Drugs started helping us by making Sudafed hard to get,
the generic pills tended to be on sale for about ten cents per 30mg dose.
If I'm reading Erowid correctly, and guessing the kinds of quantities
a tweaker might use if it were readily available and nearly free,
a buck or two a day would cover all the meth you could use,
and you could easily make that much at a minimum-wage job in the
extra hours you've got that you used to waste sleeping,
and you wouldn't have to resort to crime unless it seemed like more fun.

Also, you could use somewhat calmer amphetamine relatives instead of meth;
can't be *that* much nastier than tobacco, and much of the cost of
legal pharmaceutical amphetamines today is the DEA paperwork.

Opiates are another drug for which crime would be unnecessary
if the stuff were legal.  The last time I got codeine for dental work,
I think I spent about $5 for 20-30 pills.   That's enough for a day of
Rush-Limbaugh-quantity abuse, and enough for a couple of days' worth
of withdrawal-prevention for an average addict,
and stronger opiates are similar in cost; opiate addiction
doesn't need to be as expensive as tobacco addiction.
By the way, if you've watched the TV medical drama "House",
the star is an acerbic doctor who's addicted to Vicodin,
as an after-effect of leg injury, and it's interesting to see the
wall of political correctness cracking a bit.




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From rah at shipwright.com  Wed Aug 24 08:32:39 2005
From: rah at shipwright.com (R.A. Hettinga)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:32:39 -0400
Subject: [Ryan Lackey in Iraq] Wiring the War Zone
Message-ID: <p06230939bf32438c4c2a@[68.167.57.91]>

--- begin forwarded text


 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:31:24 -0400
 To: Philodox Clips List <clips at philodox.com>
 From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
 Subject: [Ryan Lackey in Iraq] Wiring the War Zone

 <http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.09/posts.html?pg=2>

 Wired
 Issue 13.09 - September 2005

 Wired 13.09: POSTS

 Wiring the War Zone



 It's a typical morning at Camp Anaconda, the giant US military base 50
 miles north of Baghdad - light breeze, temperatures heading to 100 degrees,
 scattered mortar fire. Ryan Lackey is getting ready for today's assignment:
 installing a pair of satellite Internet connections at Camp Warhorse about
 30 miles away.

 Lackey, 26, is founder and CTO of Blue Iraq, a war zone startup that has
 operated out of Anaconda since December. It's a bootstrap operation - three
 employees, tent accommodations, Army chow - that has been profitable from
 its first day. "The military's a great market," he says. "They have lots of
 money, and they know what they want." His customers are mostly base
 commanders and DOD contractors, plus the occasional group of soldiers who
 chip in to get Internet access.

 Lackey dons body armor and a Kevlar helmet and heads out to the flight
 line. A pair of Blackhawk helicopters is making a run to Camp Warhorse this
 morning, and Lackey is hitching a ride. He packs his equipment and tools
 into one helicopter and climbs into the other. Inside, everything is
 painted black. Door gunners sit behind machine guns mounted on flexible
 arms. The crew chief distributes earplugs, the passengers strap themselves
 in, the rotors start to turn, and the ground falls away. But not too far.
 Blackhawks fly just 100 feet above the ground, at 200 mph. It's a smooth,
 exhilarating ride, landscape zooming past like a dream of flying. As
 wartime commutes go, it can't be beat.

 Lackey has been taking risks since he dropped out of MIT at 19 to work at a
 startup on the Caribbean island of Anguilla. Two years later he moved to
 Sealand, a North Sea oil rig, where he cofounded a data storage outpost
 that claims sovereignty and is theoretically beyond the reach of any
 nation's laws. (It was the subject of a Wired cover story in July 2000.) He
 is happy to cash in on what he calls risk arbitrage. "There's sort of a
 dark calculus when people are afraid," he says. "Prices for everything go
 up. And if you understand the risk better than they do, you can price that
 into everything."

 The Blackhawk touches down at Camp Warhorse, a 1,000-soldier forward
 operating base near the insurgent stronghold of Baqouba. In a freak
 accident at the helipad, the rotor wash hurls one of the boxed satellite
 dishes into Lackey's chest like a massive Frisbee. His armor saves him from
 anything worse than bruises.

 The first of two installations takes a few hours. Lackey sets up a
 4-foot-diameter dish on the ground outside the base HQ, then assembles the
 metal support arms that hold the satellite electronics at the focus of the
 dish's parabolic arc. He has to be careful: After five minutes in the
 midday Iraqi sun, metal can sear an ungloved hand. Cables run from the dish
 to a modem indoors that in turn connects to a local area network. Ryan
 hooks his laptop up to the modem and adjusts the dish's elevation and
 azimuth until his software confirms the system is locked on to the correct
 satellite. Just like that: the Internet. The iDirect system is robust
 enough for Iraq's extreme heat, dust, and wind, and even handles
 voice-over-IP calls.

 The second install takes longer. Anti-radar camouflage netting overhead
 interferes with the signal. By the time he's done, Lackey has missed his
 helicopter lift home. He winds up stranded at Warhorse for two days before
 catching a ride back to Anaconda on an armored convoy. This means spending
 an hour in the back of a truck traveling through some of the most active
 insurgent territory in Iraq.

 Back in Anaconda, he has to deal with Blue Iraq's literal cash flow
 problem. The military pays in greenbacks, meaning he routinely has to fly
 on a cargo plane to deposit thick wads of currency at his bank in Dubai.

 That's the cost of doing business here. And business is expanding: He
 foresees cell service, ATM networks, and expansion into Afghanistan, and,
 he says with a bleak grin, "any other markets the US military opens up for
 us."

 --
 -----------------
 R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
 The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
 "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
 [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
 experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

--- end forwarded text


-- 
-----------------
R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net  Wed Aug 24 12:44:51 2005
From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:44:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ryan Lackey in Iraq] Wiring the War Zone
In-Reply-To: <p06230939bf32438c4c2a@[68.167.57.91]>
Message-ID: <200508241944.j7OJipEl014515@artifact.psychedelic.net>

RAW forwards...

>  Wiring the War Zone

>  It's a typical morning at Camp Anaconda, the giant US military base 50
>  miles north of Baghdad - light breeze, temperatures heading to 100 degrees,
>  scattered mortar fire. Ryan Lackey is getting ready for today's assignment:
>  installing a pair of satellite Internet connections at Camp Warhorse about
>  30 miles away.

Ryan Lackey needs to star in an Ayman al-Zawahri produced video, making 
short-lived gurgling and whistling noises.

Making a fast buck off an illegal war of aggression is a far cry from 
running a secure data repository on an oil platform.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"




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From eol1 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 25 10:30:37 2005
From: eol1 at yahoo.com (Peter Thoenen)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:30:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ryan Lackey in Iraq] Wiring the War Zone
In-Reply-To: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776F1F@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>
Message-ID: <20050825173037.33247.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com>

> What he's doing is supplying US soldiers with an independent,
> uncensored and unreviewed channel through which they can find
> out outside views of the war, information which their superiors
> won't pass down to them, and a means by which they can
> pass back their own views and opinions. Frankly, I'm suprised
> the brass are letting him do it.

Now that is the biggest line of shit I have heard in a while, enough that I am
actually motivated to respond.  Troops are NOT (I say again NOT) being filter
from political sites in any way / shape / form.  I have worked Bosnia (SFOR),
Kosovo (KFOR), and for the past year in Iraq (MNFI).  Current working on some
sensor systems but handled Information Assurance (govspeak for network security
to include site filtering) for the entire Balkans theatre and have a good
working relationship with the guy in country doing it for Iraq.  CENTCOM has a
clear (and heavily enforced) policy on web filtering and political websites are
cleared mandated as being ALLOWED.  There is a arbitration process incase your
favorite I Hate Bush site is being blocked by some other category (most likely
'Hate' or 'Personal Website') to get it unblocked.  The military does NOT
categorize all of this, has better things to do.  Websense handles all this. 
Any false positives are clearly in there folk and effects anybody who uses
their product.

Troops are purchasing independent access not to get around political censorship
but to get around corporate (military in this case) usage policies, e.g. we
block most (would like to get all but not going to happen) software download
sites, sex, instance messenger, bandwidth intensive items (mp3's, video's, etc
etc), VOIP ... items troops want.  They also want a connection in their hooches
where they can chat back home, use VOIP, webcam with the families, download
gigs of porn and music, and play games.  This is not a censorship issue.

> Would you rather the soldiers rely on Stars & Stripes for info
> on the changing situation back home?

Thats unfair.  Stars and Stripes is highly accurate of the situation 'back
home' and does a good job reporting them surprisingly.  You get week long
flamewars going on in the editorial over very non-PC items (worthlessness of
national guard / reserve units, dying for oil, bring on troops home, etc).  The
simply sad fact of the matter is the majority of the troops truely believe Fox
is the gospel and watch is 24x7 religiously.  Hell, they even webcast Fox over
the SIPRNET now just incase you are in a location that doesn't get AFN.

> If anything, what Ryan's doing advances the so-called
> 'cypherpunk agenda' more than anything being done at the

He is doing nothing of the sort.  He is doing the same thing as me and
countless of others, making money.  I work as a merc, he's a war profiteer ...
same shit different name.  At least I am stealing from the tax payer in an
abstracted way (or as I look at it, getting my money back ... I will die in the
black ... the government will have paid out more money to me that I have paid
in to them), he is taking it right out of lonely kids who miss their families
pockets.  That crazy profit he is making is buying ripping folks off.  He is
dropping something along the lines of 500 folk per 1 MB link WITH total
bandwidth caps and restrictions all while charging them a hundred or two a
month (not counting the initial install / equipment charge).

While I am here though, let me rant a bit about the article and once again
state how much I despise Wired magazines coverage of anything.  Might as well
just print IRC chat logs and call it a magazine.

"Inside, everything is painted black" -> No there not.

"crew chief distributes earplugs" -> only because your a journalist.  If you
were some Jo or a contractor you either bring your own or do without.  This is
not standard SOP.  Big sign at LP says 'Bring your own hearing protection'

"But not too far.  Blackhawks fly just 100 feet above the ground, at 200 mph.
It's a smooth, exhilarating ride, landscape zooming past like a dream of
flying" -> Also bullshit.  I fly these things weekly all over the country. 
Smooth sometimes, exhilarating never, hot yes.  As for low level, we aren't in
the cold war dodging radar here.  The helo's fly usually up around a thousand
feet (not 100 like you seem thing) as part of SOP ... the biggest worry here is
ground fire, not aircraft.  Flying low will get you killed.

"In a freak accident at the helipad, the rotor wash hurls one of the boxed
satellite dishes into Lackey's chest like a massive Frisbee. His armor saves
him from anything worse than bruises." -> Give me a break.  How exactly does a
'boxed' dish look like a Frisbee (implies round).  I install 2 and 3 meter
dishes about once a month (and we fly them out also) .. they ain't going
anywhere with the helo wash.  Armored saved him from anymore than bruises my
ass.  Would like to see those bruises.

"After five minutes in the midday Iraqi sun, metal can sear an ungloved hand"
-> No it can't.  Nobody here uses gloves (just to damn hot) and nobody gets
burned.  Metal gets hot sure but not that hot.

"The iDirect system is robust enough for Iraq's extreme heat, dust, and wind,
and even handles  voice-over-IP calls." -> Nice product placement.  They might
also want to mention any satellite provider (and there are a bunch, they make
it sound like he is the only game intown) with an off the shelf UHF dish can do
all this.

"He winds up stranded at Warhorse for two days before catching a ride back to
Anaconda on an armored convoy. This means spending an hour in the back of a
truck traveling through some of the most active insurgent territory in Iraq."
-> My ass. Any flight that requires moving equipment requires an AMR.  You
can't miss an AMR, they will wait for you.  Also, there are flights between
Annaconda and Warhorse multiple times a day, daily.  As for convoy, thats utter
bullshit.  Military will NOT (I repeat NOT) led civilians ride in military
convoys anymore (to damn hot and bad press when killed).  No commander will
sign that risk.  You will be told to wait till you can catch a helo.  Got stuck
at a truly remote base for two weeks once waiting on a flight.  

"Back in Anaconda, he has to deal with Blue Iraq's literal cash flow problem.
The military pays in greenbacks, meaning he routinely has to fly on a cargo
plane to deposit thick wads of currency at his bank in Dubai." -> Or just go to
bank at the green zone and make a deposit.  If he is going to Dubai, its for
pleasure (Los Vegas of the Middle East, gambling, drinking, drugs, whores on
demand).

Wired, you don't have make a dull article about just another ISP in Iraq into a
war romance porn novel.  Get your facts straight and learn how to report.

-Peter



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From ptrei at rsasecurity.com  Thu Aug 25 07:39:06 2005
From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:39:06 -0400
Subject: [Ryan Lackey in Iraq] Wiring the War Zone
Message-ID: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776F1F@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>

Eric Cordian writes:

> RAW forwards...
> 
>>  Wiring the War Zone
> 
>> It's a typical morning at Camp Anaconda, 
>> the giant US military base 50 miles north 
>> of Baghdad - light breeze, temperatures 
>> heading to 100 degrees, scattered mortar fire. 
>> Ryan Lackey is getting ready for today's assignment:
>> installing a pair of satellite Internet connections at 
>> Camp Warhorse about 30 miles away.
> 
> Ryan Lackey needs to star in an Ayman al-Zawahri produced 
> video, making short-lived gurgling and whistling noises.
> 
> Making a fast buck off an illegal war of aggression 
> is a far cry from running a secure data repository 
> on an oil platform.

Eric, I think you could nuance this a bit.

Ryan isn't supporting Bush's little war - the military
has plenty of comm channels for C&C which Ryan wouldn't be 
allowed near.

What he's doing is supplying US soldiers with an independent,
uncensored and unreviewed channel through which they can find
out outside views of the war, information which their superiors
won't pass down to them, and a means by which they can
pass back their own views and opinions. Frankly, I'm suprised
the brass are letting him do it.

How do you think the prison abuse photos got back to the US 
media?

Would you rather the soldiers rely on Stars & Stripes for info
on the changing situation back home?

If anything, what Ryan's doing advances the so-called
'cypherpunk agenda' more than anything being done at the
ideologicaly pure but practically insignificant Sealand.

Just my opinions....

Peter Trei




From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net  Thu Aug 25 11:29:37 2005
From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:29:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Ryan Lackey in Iraq] Wiring the War Zone
In-Reply-To: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE29704776F1F@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>
Message-ID: <200508251829.j7PITb7t007078@artifact.psychedelic.net>

Peter Trei writes:

>> Ryan Lackey needs to star in an Ayman al-Zawahri produced 
>> video, making short-lived gurgling and whistling noises.

>> Making a fast buck off an illegal war of aggression 
>> is a far cry from running a secure data repository 
>> on an oil platform.

> Eric, I think you could nuance this a bit.

My first comment was more a parody of Pat Robertson's ridiculous call for 
the US to murder the President of Venezuela.  I'm sure the State 
Department supports my right, as a private citizen, to say silly things 
just like Pat.

While I don't wish Ryan any misfortune, I have some difficulty seeing how 
taking cash from Big Brother to create modern digital infrastructure that 
creates a more comfortable life for Big Brother's forces, is actually a 
cunning scheme to undermine morale in the unecessary, unjust, outrageous, 
and illegal occupation of Iraq.

> Ryan isn't supporting Bush's little war - the military
> has plenty of comm channels for C&C which Ryan wouldn't be 
> allowed near.

He's taking cash to provide aid and comfort for members of the military, 
so that they may chat with their wives and girlfriends, access really good 
porn, socialize online, play games, blog, video conference, and otherwise 
recreate, activities which are undoubtedly not encouraged on the C&C comm 
channels.

> What he's doing is supplying US soldiers with an independent,
> uncensored and unreviewed channel through which they can find
> out outside views of the war, information which their superiors
> won't pass down to them, and a means by which they can
> pass back their own views and opinions. Frankly, I'm suprised
> the brass are letting him do it.

US soldiers are so brainwashed by the military whispering in their ear 
"you're fighting for their right to protest" every time they encounter 
outside views of the war, that they view themselves as beleagured noble 
warriors safeguarding the free speech rights of unworthy unwashed 
unpatriotic hippies who don't know what they're talking about, and tend to 
interpret criticism of the war through that filter.

Joining the military is not an intelligence test, and the troops, at least 
at the leafy parts of the command tree, are generally not talented 
critical thinkers with long term political memories.

So I think the "aid and comfort to the illegal occupation" aspects of 
Ryan's work must surely outweigh the "opposing points of view" aspects. If 
it didn't, would he even be allowed to do it?  1% of propaganda is lying. 
99% of propaganda is context.  The military controls the soldiers' context 
in which outside views are interpreted.  Net access hardly threatens their 
loyalty to the cause.

The Iraqi people do not wish US occupation of their homeland, and given 
that this was an unprovoked war of aggression, that means that occupying 
troops, mercenaries from private military corporations, military 
contractors, and Ryan Lackey, are there illegitimately.

> How do you think the prison abuse photos got back to the US 
> media?

If I remember correctly, they were souvenir photos taken by service 
members, sent back to their families, and accidently posted with world 
access on what the family members thought was a private online album.

They were noticed by the press, and the effluent hit the fan.

> Would you rather the soldiers rely on Stars & Stripes for info
> on the changing situation back home?

> If anything, what Ryan's doing advances the so-called
> 'cypherpunk agenda' more than anything being done at the
> ideologicaly pure but practically insignificant Sealand.

I think that's an oversimplification.  It's not impossible that after the 
HavenCo fiasco, Ryan has given up on the Cypherpunk Agenda, and is 
currently selling his services for cash and no questions asked.

In any case, I invite Ryan, if he can take a few minutes from hauling 
those suitcases of cash to the bank in Dubai, to post to the list, and 
clarify exactly what he is trying to do.

He did say at the end of the piece, that he looked forward to the military 
opening up additional new markets for him, I assume in places like Iran 
and the other four as-yet-uninvaded countries on the Neocons' list of 
seven.

That seems to say "mercenary" more loudly than it says "Cypherpunk," so I 
certainly look forward to more information on the subject.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"




From ptrei at rsasecurity.com  Thu Aug 25 12:01:52 2005
From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:01:52 -0400
Subject: [Ryan Lackey in Iraq] Wiring the War Zone
Message-ID: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE297068CAFCB@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-cypherpunks at minder.net
> [mailto:owner-cypherpunks at minder.net]On Behalf Of Peter Thoenen
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:31 PM
> To: cypherpunks at minder.net
> Subject: RE: [Ryan Lackey in Iraq] Wiring the War Zone
> 
> 
> > What he's doing is supplying US soldiers with an independent,
> > uncensored and unreviewed channel through which they can find
> > out outside views of the war, information which their superiors
> > won't pass down to them, and a means by which they can
> > pass back their own views and opinions. Frankly, I'm suprised
> > the brass are letting him do it.
> 
> Now that is the biggest line of shit I have heard in a while, 
> enough that I am actually motivated to respond. 
> [...]

Thanks, it's refreshing when we actually get someone with
ground knowledge on an issue to respond. Posts like this
leave me better informed.

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From malin at cs.cmu.edu  Fri Aug 26 07:30:29 2005
From: malin at cs.cmu.edu (Bradley Malin)
Date: August 26, 2005 7:30:29 PM EDT
Subject: gov't to "anonymously" sharing cyberthreat data?
Message-ID: <mailman.1258.1576007667.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>


Prof Dave - looks like UPenn is the facilitator.

-brad

http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=170000319

New Cybersecurity Center To Warn Law Enforcement Of Critical
Infrastructure Attacks   Aug. 24, 2005

Several businesses and organizations are testing a new process for
anonymously sharing cyberthreat and attack data with their peers and
government agencies without being subject to law-enforcement audits.
By Larry Greenemeier
InformationWeek



With about 85% of the nation's critical infrastructure--energy
utilities, manufacturing and transportation facilities,
telecommunication and data networks, and financial services--in the
private sector, it's no wonder there have been so many attempts to
create services that keep these companies apprised of threats to
their IT networks. But there's a problem: Most companies aren't eager
to share their adventures in cybersecurity with each other or the
government.

Keeping this in mind, several Philadelphia-area businesses and
organizations are testing out a new model called the Cyber Incident
Detection & Data Analysis Center, or CIDDAC, which lets private-
sector entities anonymously share cyberthreat and attack data with
their peers and government agencies such as the Homeland Security
Department and the FBI without that data being subject to law-
enforcement audits.

CIDDAC arose out of the deficiencies in the different organizations
already working on cybersecurity, says Brad Rawling, a CIDDAC board
member. A major sticking point that has hindered other attempts to
create cyberattack-reporting infrastructures is the concern by
businesses and other organizations that their proprietary information
will be made public. Once information about a company's inner
workings and security issues is documented by the government, that
proprietary information may become fair game for Freedom Of
Information Act requests by the press and public. CIDDAC circumvents
this sticky situation because it's not a government entity and it
doesn't provide specific information to members or law enforcement
about the identity of the organization reporting a cyberattack.

Participation in CIDDAC is voluntary. Since its April debut, the
effort has been funded with about $100,000 in contributions from
members, as well as $200,000 from the Homeland Security Department's
Science and Technology Directorate. CIDDAC is searching for an
additional $400,000 in funding to move it from the pilot stage to a
point where data can be collected and shared and the program can
sustain itself. Membership will cost $10,000 per year and will
include one sensor, a year of monitoring service, and access to
CIDDAC reports.

CIDDAC's services are expected to be fully functional by the end of
the year. The organization is piloting its sensor technology and
reporting system at test locations in Philadelphia, southern New
Jersey, and North Carolina. The next phase of testing, as CIDDAC
receives production models of its network sensors over the next month
and a half, will include as many as 10 large companies and
institutions that have volunteered to participate and to whom CIDDAC
has promised anonymity.

The University of Pennsylvania has donated lab space, E-mail listserv
services, and Internet access via its Institute of Strategy Threat
Analysis and Response for the CIDDAC's pilot phase, although the
initiative may have to look elsewhere for a permanent home.

A company called AdminForce Remote LLC has developed the underlying
real-time cyberattack-detection sensor technology that CIDDAC uses to
gather information from its members' networks, and AdminForce
chairman and CEO Charles Fleming serves as CIDDAC's executive
director. Board members include Liberty Bell Bank chief technology
officer Brian Schaeffer, Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia
directory of information security Keith Morales, Air Products and
Chemicals Inc. computer crime investigator Lance Hawk, and Kema Inc.
senior principal consultant Scott Mix. FBI special agent John Chesson
and Homeland Security Department director of privacy technology Peter
Sand have served as advisers to the CIDDAC effort.

As envisioned, a CIDDAC member connects AdminForce's sensors within
their corporate network. If an intruder attempts to hack or penetrate
the system, this intrusion-monitoring device sends a message to law
enforcement and to other CIDDAC participants but protects the
identity of the reporting entity. CIDDAC's plan is to provide members
with trend-analysis information about specific intrusion activity
that they can use to assess risks to their own networks.

CIDDAC's arrival is timely. This year's FBI Computer Security
Institute computer crime and security survey results, based on the
responses of 700 computer security practitioners in U.S. companies,
government agencies, financial institutions, medical institutions,
and universities, indicates that the percentage of organizations
reporting computer intrusions to law enforcement continues to
decline. Only 20% of organizations reported cyberattacks to law
enforcement, while only 12% reported such attacks to legal counsel.
The key reason cited for not reporting intrusions to law enforcement
is the concern for negative publicity.

FBI Director Robert Mueller has acknowledged this reluctance that
organizations have to air their dirty cyber laundry in public, thus
hurting their image and giving rivals an edge. Mueller made these
comments earlier this month at a conference hosted by InfraGard, an
FBI program begun in 1996 in Cleveland as a local effort to gain
support from the IT industry and academia for the FBI's cybersecurity
investigative efforts. The program expanded nationally through the
late 1990s.

At the conference, Mueller likened a malicious command sent over a
network to harm a power station's control computer to being as deadly
as a backpack full of explosives.

The FBI is expected to receive CIDDAC-generated law-enforcement
incident reports when different criminal thresholds are exceeded.
Homeland Security is likewise expected to be a consumer of CIDDAC
reports. The FBI will use CIDDAC incident reports to initiate
preliminary investigations to determine the magnitude of the
cyberthreat, Rawling says. Such reports could be used as a basis to
justify opening a criminal or intelligence case, for example, but are
not expected to be used as evidence to be presented in a court of
law. "The FBI must use the tools they have to build a case without
revealing the identity of the source," Rawling adds.

CIDDAC is by no means the only organization established to provide
business-technology managers with information about cyberthreats. The
new effort most closely resembles the SANS Institute's Internet Storm
Center, although that service has no direct link with federal law
enforcement. CIDDAC also is targeting large companies with similar IT
security needs. Internet Storm Center uses the DShield distributed
intrusion-detection system technology to collect data from users'
intrusion-detection logs and disseminate this information to other
users. DShield is a piece of freeware maintained by the SANS
Institute. The Internet Storm Center, a free service, lets users
submit firewall logs anonymously, but they must register with the
SANS Institute to view an archive of firewall logs they submitted to
the DShield database in the past 30 days and get confirmation of log
submissions.


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From: ymxmrq at brookarchitecture.com (Wiley Sanchez)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:45:00 -0700
Subject: you want white teeths?
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From dave at farber.net  Fri Aug 26 17:14:52 2005
From: dave at farber.net (David Farber)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:14:52 -0400
Subject: [IP] gov't to "anonymously" sharing cyberthreat data?
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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Sat Aug 27 22:46:38 2005
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:46:38 -0700
Subject: Perhaps the real reason why Chavez is being targeted?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20050827204703.04dd9c70@mail.comcast.net>
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050822212540.038571a0@pop.idiom.com> 
  <6.0.1.1.0.20050827204703.04dd9c70@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050827222757.03b3a308@pop.idiom.com>

At 09:05 PM 8/27/2005, Steve Schear wrote:
>Here's a story that, if true, deserves a much wider hearing than
>the U.S. press is giving it:

While the US certainly has been interfering with Chavez
and generally trying to mess around in Venezuela for a while,
most of what's happening here is just that
Chavez is running off at the mouth for domestic political reasons.
(Pat Robertson was partly doing that also and partly just babbling.)

Chavez is a leftist military strongman type, which in Latin America
means he doesn't have a bleeding clue about economic reality,
but has made enough good speeches about bread and circuses
to get elected and stay in office for a few years,
especially if he can avoid trashing oil production
as badly as his corrupt predecessors did
(not that he hasn't been trying to mess that up too.)

The business about shipping oil to Jamaica is interesting;
he'd previously been talking about selling cheap gasoline
to poor US communities, which was high-grade political bullshit
that he had no mechanism for implementing, and quite amusing.

But fundamentally the US government's problem is that he's a leftist
who hangs out with Castro and has oil and likes to do
"land reform" and nationalize oil companies,
which is not the kind of thing that right-wing industrialists like.


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From ghicks at cadence.com  Mon Aug 29 08:43:20 2005
From: ghicks at cadence.com (Gregory Hicks)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:43:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: test of minder remailer
Message-ID: <200508291543.j7TFhD9i018156@pony-express.cadence.com>

> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:39:49 -0400
> From: "Trei, Peter" <ptrei at rsasecurity.com>
> 
> It looks like the minder remailer is under attack - I've
> gotten about 20 messages with little or not content,
> and a small zip file attached.

Don't feel picked on.  I've noticed about 20/day...  About 220 since
Aug 19th.

Symptoms are:

A "Content-Type: application/x-compressed;" size of 0 or 8 bytes.
File, so far, is ALWAYS a .zip with names like "payment.zip",
"funny.zip", "account-details.zip", "test.zip"...  May have some text
designed to get you to open the .zip...

The message is supposed to be from your ISP complaining about your
account.

Personally, I think it is a virus with a 'bug' because my virus
filters have caught about the same number with much larger payloads.

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> 
> PT

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From ptrei at rsasecurity.com  Mon Aug 29 06:39:49 2005
From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:39:49 -0400
Subject: test of minder remailer
Message-ID: <017630AA6DF2DF4EBC1DD4454F8EE297068CAFD0@rsana-ex-hq1.NA.RSA.NET>

It looks like the minder remailer is under attack - I've
gotten about 20 messages with little or not content,
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From eugen at leitl.org  Mon Aug 29 06:35:36 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:35:36 +0200
Subject: [dave@farber.net: [IP] gov't to "anonymously" sharing
  cyberthreat data?]
Message-ID: <20050829133536.GI2259@leitl.org>

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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:30:33 -0300
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From syverson at itd.nrl.navy.mil  Tue Aug 30 07:22:22 2005
From: syverson at itd.nrl.navy.mil (Paul Syverson)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:22:22 -0400
Subject: Tor on USB
Message-ID: <mailman.1260.1576007667.31620.cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org>

You might also see the following commercial distribution that
bundles Tor, a tiny linux, and related software on a USB stick

http://www.virtualprivacymachine.com/products.html

Looks cool and got favorable reviews, but I haven't used or examined
it first hand. This is a pointer, not an endorsement.

-Paul


On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 12:47:32AM -0500, Arrakis Tor wrote:
> Interesting implementation. You could use it at a public terminal, a
> friend's computer, or for plausible deniability on your own computer.
>
> On 8/29/05, Shatadal <shatadal at vfemail.net> wrote:
> > Arrakis Tor wrote:
> > > Can firefox be installed to run standalone whatsoever?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yep. Check out http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_firefox/ and
> > http://portablefirefox.mozdev.org/
> >

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From eugen at leitl.org  Tue Aug 30 07:42:27 2005
From: eugen at leitl.org (Eugen Leitl)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:42:27 +0200
Subject: [syverson@itd.nrl.navy.mil: Re: Tor on USB]
Message-ID: <20050830144227.GU2259@leitl.org>

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