China's wealthy bypass the banks

James A. Donald jamesd at echeque.com
Fri Nov 12 02:54:35 PST 2004


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James Donald:
> >  However Confucianism vs Daoism/Taoism is rather different
> >  from what you would get in the west.  Confucianism is
> >  somewhat similar to what you would get if western cultural
> >  conservatives allied themselves with nazi/commies, in the
> >  way that the commies are prone to imagine conservatives
> >  have supposedly allied themselves with nazis.  Taoism
> >  somewhat similar to what you would get if anarcho 
> >  capitalists allied themselves with pagans and wiccans...

 "Enzo Michelangeli" <em at em.no-ip.com>
> Actually, that doesn't apply to any century. The ancient
> philosophical school that inspired Mao Zedong was actually
> Legalism, which provided the theoretic foundations to the
> absolutist rule of Qin Shi Huangdi

In my original post, I said that legalism was pretty much the
same thing as communism/nazism, so you are not disagreeing with
me, merely re - raising a point I had already raised.

However, whereas legalism is much the same thing
communism/nazism, confucianism is legalism moderated by
conservatism

> (to whom Mao liked to compare himself). Mao, as many other
> Chinese reformers and writers of the early XX Century, hated
> Confucianism as symbol of China's "ancien regime" and decay.

And the commies hated the nazis, as well as other commies
slightly different from themselves, and the nazis hated other
nazis slightly different from themselves.

The conflict between confucianism and legalism does not imply
the difference betweent the two is very large, though it is a
good deal larger than the miniscule difference between
communism and nazism.

> By comparison, Confucianism was remarkably enlightened,

"by comparison".

Well most things are pretty enlightened by comparison with
communism/legalism/nazism.

I am less impressed by this fact than you are.

Confucianism is despotic and oppressive.  Even if confucians do
not bury scholars alives, they suppress their opponents by
means less spectacular, but in the long run comparably
effective.  China stagnated because no thought other than
official thought occurred. 

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