Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

Tyler Durden camera_lumina at
Sun Jul 18 18:02:35 PDT 2004

JA, ya' gotta good point here. Or at least, this sheds a lot of doubt on 

But then again, the purpose of GIG-BE may be precisely to move an optical 
copy (use a $100 splitter) back to processing centers where the traffic is 
stored. In this case, they won't even be trying to break it down to circuits 
prior to storage...they may instead dump the raw OC-Ns directly onto some 
kind of fast storage medium and then sift through it later.

The idea of duplicating all optical traffic seems a little farfetched, 
though, but I bet everything from the cable landings may soon get swallowed 
whole, if it isn't already. I'm still thinking they must do some kind of 
"grooming" prior to mass backhauls of traffic. There are just too many 
fibers and too many transmission systems out there for them to duplicate all 
of it. Perhaps at the routers they sniff, and then CALEA whatever circuit 
that conversation came out of.


>From: "J.A. Terranson" <measl at>
>To: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina at>
>CC: eugen at, cypherpunks at
>Subject: Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies
>Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:07:10 -0500 (CDT)
>On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
> > "I think it would be far easier if WAN protocols were plain GBit 
> >
> > WAN won't be 1GbE, but it will probably be 10GbE with SONET framing, or 
> > OC-192c POS (ie, PPP-encapsulated HDLC-framed MPLS). In either case, I
> > suspect it will be far cheaper in the long run to monitor a big fat pipe
> > than to try to break out a zillion lil' tiny DS1s.
> >
> > -TD
>OK, so Tyler [apparently] works in the business :-)
>Let me fill in what he left out.  Yes, the industry is moving towards
>MPLS over POS.  That's not where it is now though.  At least not for most
>interfaces.  Right now the industry is chock full of lagacy gear, mostly
>old fashioned ATM.  You think you can just casually reassemble this crap
>in transit?  Let's see it!
>Besides that old fashioned transport diversity, we have the original
>problem: even if you could do it (maybe in three to five years), what are
>you going to do with the data you've snarfed?  Backhaul it?  Shove it into
>TB cassettes?  Better keep a guy on staff to change the tray!!
>None of the many obstacles curretly in the way will allow this to be done
>on the QT.  Semi-openly would be another story, as would the scenario of a
>smaller, say regional, ISP.
>J.A. Terranson
>sysadmin at
>   "...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do
>   not.  And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out
>   about them."      Osama Bin Laden
>	- - -
>   "There aught to be limits to freedom!"    George Bush
>	- - -
>Which one scares you more?

Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living.

More information about the cypherpunks-legacy mailing list