USA PATRIOT Act Survives Amendment Attempt

Nostra2004 at SAFe-mail.net Nostra2004 at SAFe-mail.net
Fri Jul 9 23:04:43 PDT 2004


>At 05:22 PM 7/9/2004, Thomas Shaddack wrote:

>>On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Steve Schear wrote:

>> Some months back I discussed a procedural methodology where patrons could find
>> out if their records hand been accessed in a way that circumvented court
>> orders.  I was told that it might work but that frustrated prosecutors might
>> press charges of conspiracy before the fact to evade lawful orders that
>> 'might' be issued, even if the defendant had no reasonable expectation that
>> this might occur.

>But we have a psychological mechanism here; many people tend to be "tough" 
when not under direct threat. Then they implement the mechanism. Then 
years flow by. Then the prosecutors come. But by then it is too late to 
cooperate. They are doomed (though that depends largely on the available 
lawyers), but it can save the ones they were protecting.

The mechanism Steve suggested probably needs to be applied before you ever see a court order.


>It seems that, by the prosecutor logic, just about any comsec improvement 
you implemented may be viewed as a conspiracy, including but not limited 
to secure email.

>I am not happy to say this, but can we ever hope for designing any kind of 
secure infrastructure without some nodes having to win the martyr lottery?

Actually, frequent prosecutions could work to the advantage of a select few who choose to become martyrs.  Since it would make it much more likely supplicants would be called upon.

>....speaking about martyrs... I am just watching a TV document about cults. 
Maybe we could piggyback on religion and use some kinks within Christian 
doctrine, selected for having wide user base within Western civilization? 
Eg, finding a believable and theologically coherent explanation how 
operating a Darknet node helps undermining the reign of Satan (a voice 
suggests me that the Book of Prophecies, or how that horsemen thing is 
called, could contain enough of material to build on)? That could provide 
a decent amount of node ops using existing infrastructure of likely-minded 
religious organizations. Faith is a big motivation for undertaking risk, 
and while Westerners currently tend to be less radical than 
Middle-Easterners, this kind of mission is far from suicidal.

I posted a few months back offering an alternative to religion in recruitment: the terminally ill.

Nostra





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