Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies
camera_lumina at hotmail.com
Wed Jul 7 07:28:01 PDT 2004
"If you think the cable landings in Va/Md are coincidental, you are
smoking something I've run out of. Its all recorded. I'm sure the
archiving and database groups in Ft. Meade will get a chuckle out of your
"the right to" idioms."
Well, I don't actually believe it's all recorded. As I've attempted to
explain previously, "they" almost certainly have risk models in place. When
several variables twinkle enough (eg, origination area, IP address, presence
of crypto...) some rule fires and then diverts a copy into the WASP'S Nest.
There's probably some kind of key word search that either diverts the copy
into storage or into the short list for an analyst to peek it.
>From: "Major Variola (ret)" <mv at cdc.gov>
>To: "cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net" <cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net>
>Subject: Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto
>Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:40:29 -0700
>At 02:47 PM 7/6/04 -0700, Hal Finney wrote:
> >> Messages in storage have much lower judicial protection than messages
> >> transit. (This does not have much technical merit, in the current
> >> atmosphere of "damn the laws - there are terrorists around the
> >> but can be seen as a nice little potential benefit.)
> >One thing I haven't understood in all the commentary is whether law
> >enforcment still needs a warrant to access emails stored in this way.
> >Apparently the ISP can read them without any notice or liability, but
> >what about the police?
>You are state meat, whether 5150'd or not.
> >Also, what if you run your own mail spool, so the email is never stored
> >at the ISP, it just passes through the routers controlled by the ISP
> >(just like it passed through a dozen other routers on the internet).
> >Does this give the ISP (and all the other router owners) the right to
> >read your email? I don't think so, it seems like that would definitely
> >cross over the line from "mail in storage" to "mail in transit".
>If you think the cable landings in Va/Md are coincidental, you are
>smoking something I've run out of. Its all recorded. I'm sure the
>and database groups in Ft. Meade will get a chuckle out of your
>"the right to" idioms.
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