Quantum Loop Gravity Be For Whitey

[Tim May]

On Jan 14, 2004, at 3:51 PM, bgt wrote:

> On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 14:15, cubic-dog wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, bgt wrote:
>>> ... Anyway... "be productive or be deported" does not constitute
>>
>> I don't think I said that, you put it in quotes, implying I did.
>> It's an okay paraphrase though, so we'll take it like that.
>
> Yes, it was intended as a paraphrase.
>
>> More like I said, without regard to what you DEALT for, the is
>> no impetus on the "man" to pay what was agreed to. If you don't
>> like it, you will be deported. This does a nice job of creating
>
> For currently illegal immigrants, you're right: the contract (the
> agreement to do x work for y money is a contract, however
> informal) is illegal and so unenforceable. This leaves these
> workers open to theft by "stiffing" as you put it.

Most workers are paid bimonthly, and many are paid weekly. Some day 
laborers are even paid daily.

This makes the "float" a maximum of a couple of weeks, and more likely 
a week or less. Any laborer who has not been paid can walk away and be 
out the week or less in pay. (Personally, I would not want to be an 
employer who stiffed a Mexican...one might find one's tires slashed or 
one's daughter's throat slashed ear to ear...or just a bullet in the 
dark.

This kind of "stiffing" such as you two are debating almost never 
happens, for various good reasons.

>
> The guest worker program will legalize these immigrants (for a
> period of time), so the contract will be legal and become
> enforceable.  Why do you think the guest worker program will
> make it worse in this regard for currently illegal immigrants?
> This is the weakest objection to this program I've heard yet.

The wholesale opening of the door to those who "cut in line" (ahead of 
those from England, Denmark, Romania, India, etc. who waited patiently 
in line by submitting their immigration requests) is deplorable.

Either open the borders or not, but surely don't reward those who cut 
in line.

Oh, and the march of 2.5 million Mexicans and Latins from the south is 
already underway...they got the message the last time when the 
Simpson-Mazzoli "one time amnesty, just this one time!" happened, and 
millions more arrived. Now that the new Mexican immigration is 
happening, several million more will arrive.

By the way, there is no acceptable hospital in the region near me 
because "legal but won't pay their bills" Mexicans have utterly swamped 
the W*ts*nv*ll* Community Hospital. It is unable to collect from those 
who show up at its emergency room (and must be treated, by law) that it 
is now running short on so many things that it is not safe to use. 
(They'll probably threaten to sue me, so I'll disguise the above name.)

I'd favor letting all in who want to get in, provided nobody demands 
that I pay for any services for them. Any services, not just "few" 
services. There are a couple of billion in the world who would gladly 
come to America if the borders were open...I'm not exaggerating at all. 
Between 1 and 2 billion, at least.

Let them come. But let them starve when 950 million of them find no 
work and a limit to charity by the do-gooder minority. Let piles of 
their corpses fertilize our crops...it's why God made bulldozers.

>
--Tim May
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"  
--Unknown Usenet Poster