[IP] Your people are growing increasingly worried about a 'police state.' For such an educated audience, (fwd from dave at farber.net)

[Tyler Durden]

"So perhaps when Mr. Ashcroft erodes civil rights, you can make a valid
claim that it introduces only a very slight risk of a police state, or
is only the start of a trend.

How much risk is enough?  If events only presented a 1% chance of
taking the path to a police state, would you want to tolerate it?"

Hell, for me it doesn't even get that far. I'm not willing to take a DROP of 
police state risk in order to enable our State's bloodlust. If we hadn't 
been systematically f*cking over the Moslems for the last 50 years, this 
might be an academic argument worth debating.

-TD



>From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
>To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
>Subject: [IP] Your people are growing increasingly worried about a 'police 
>state.' For such an educated audience, (fwd from dave at farber.net)
>Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:48:16 +0200
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>From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
>Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:21:43 -0400
>To: Ip <ip at v2.listbox.com>
>Subject: [IP] Your people are growing increasingly worried about a 'police 
>state.' For such an educated audience,
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>Begin forwarded message:
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>From: Brad Templeton <btm at templetons.com>
>Date: August 5, 2004 5:47:16 PM EDT
>To: dave at farber.net
>Cc: NMunro at nationaljournal.com
>Subject: Re: [IP] Your people are growing increasingly worried about a
>'police state.' For such an educated audience,
>
> >Subj: Your people are growing increasingly worried about a 'police
> >state.'
> >For such an educated audience, they seem to lack any sense of
> >proportion, a sense of history or an > awareness of human nature.
> >
>
>Indeed, as you cite, there are many police states and history is
>littered with ones that have risen and fallen as well.
>
>Each time a police state rose, there were those who cried that a police
>state was coming and were called paranoid.   There were those who
>actively assisted the police state in coming, seeking the security it
>promised.  There were those who assisted the police state in coming,
>not wanting one, but feeling those who called out the warnings were
>paranoid.  There were those who said and did nothing.
>
>Free states are the abberation in the history of mankind.  Police states
>(for the level of technology of the day) the norm.
>
>So perhaps when Mr. Ashcroft erodes civil rights, you can make a valid
>claim that it introduces only a very slight risk of a police state, or
>is only the start of a trend.
>
>How much risk is enough?  If events only presented a 1% chance of
>taking the path to a police state, would you want to tolerate it?
>
>Would you find it acceptable to teeter on the edge of a police state,
>because you were still on the free side of the line?
>
>Often, in the defence of free speech, we find ourselves defending people
>expressing ideas we loathe.   Nazis, pedophiles and other scum.  We
>do it not because we welcome a world full of their messages, but because
>we know that if the Holocaust deniers can publish, we are _really,
>really_
>sure that we can publish.  It's not paranoia.
>
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