[cdr] Re: Another Cypherpunks Investigation?

[Jim Choate]

Somethings broke in the backbone relay, the CDR has split.

I sent the note out and didn't see Tim's response, but do see JAT's.

Cool ;)

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, J.A. Terranson wrote:

>
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Tim May wrote:
>
> <huge snip>
>
> > Were he in the U.S., I'd expect he'd face serious charges. Being that
> > he's in Australia, as far as I know, I doubt extradition will occur.
>
> I disagree (although I would not have several years ago).
>
> The FBI has been learning to use international extradition over the last two
> years or so, and are actually getting to be quite good at it from what I
> hear.
>
> > And even if he were prosecuted, by Oz or by the U.S., his various
> > articles indicate "mental disturbance" could be a winning defense, with
> > him ordered to get back on his Prozac or Zoloft or whatever.
>
> I would dearly love to see this idiot named an "enemy combatant", if for no
> other reason that to laugh my ass off.  To paraphrase both Tim *and*
> Mattd: "Proffr Needs Killing" - rlmao!
>
> > The questions being asked of Jim may have to do with the Feds making
> > the only prosecution they can make: that those passing on such threats
> > via mailing lists are somehow guilty of some crime. This is just
> > speculation on my part.
>
> If these are indeed the types of questions being asked, I would be very
> surprised.  While *anonymous* remailers are very definitely on their radar, I
> cannot see any reason why a CDR node would be of interest (other than to
> establish the actual delivery chain).  As someone who works closely with a
> bunch of these guys, I can state with authority that the FBI is technically,
> um, less than what the public thinks they are.  A LOT less, at least
> technically.  Nevertheless, the guys (and gals) they hire are generally a
> good cross-section of smart and educated middle classers, who are quite
> capable of learning what they need to know.  I would guess that the
> operational questions were just that - attempts to understand the operation
> of the CDR system.
>
>
> > If so, the case may hinge on issues of "common carrier" status.
>
> Highly unlikely - CCS is a concept they are all familiar with, and it quite
> obviously does not apply here.
>
> > Also, I
> > believe Congress passed a bill explicitly saying that sysops are not
> > liable for the e-mail passing through their systems...Declan will
> > likely have the latest on this.
>
> No, I think you are referring to the side effect of the Prodigy
> Decision.  Either way though, you are correct that your average sysop enjoys
> some limited immunities here.
>
> > Anyway, I'll bet good money this is the series of messages in question.
> > Nothing else I have seen either rises to this level or seems to involve
> > Pennsylvania in any significant way.
>
> You sure there were no SPAM travel guides making outrageously prosecutable
> claims that Pennsylvania was a Good Place To Visit?  <snicker>
>
> > --Tim May
>
>
> --
> Yours,
> J.A. Terranson
> sysadmin at mfn.org
>
> 	"Every living thing dies alone."
> 	Donnie Darko
>

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