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Sat Oct 18 11:52:53 PDT 2003


At 02:04 PM 10/18/03 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>It takes a broken P2P service to be brought down by a few unkosher
binaries.
>Trust accounting and agoric load levelling don't take Pd hardware.

Nice translation.

Main Entry: ag7o7ra
Pronunciation: 'a-g&-r&
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ras or ag7o7rae /-"rE, -"rI/
Etymology: Greek, from ageirein to gather
Date: 1589
: a gathering place; especially : the marketplace in ancient Greec



>A palladium-plated turd is still a turd at its heart.

A quotable quote.

>Look at concentration in scientific publishing. Tell me how Palladium
will
>reduce the monopolist stranglehold, reduce the prices and make
scientific
>information available to the largerst possible audience.

The Elseviers compete with the xxx.lanls.  As do journals that charge
the author to publish with those that don't.  Etc.


>A manipulated market is no longer a competitive market. Producers and
>consumers do not have equivalent leverage. The invisible hand is
flipping
>us the bird. Of course you know that, TCPA
>troll.

Market manipulation is only done using violence.  Only the government
or other mafias manipulate markets.  The rest (aquisitions, proprietary
formats, bundling and giving it away free) is a perhaps more savage
ecosystem than you prefer, but that's life.

>There is no such thing as a weak DRM.

There is no such thing as DRM for analog content.  Only
for machine-executable interactive content (eg games).
The gamer-publisher vs. cracker war has been going on indefinately,
even when it was putting a slug into a pinball machine.

Either I do have the raw bits of an
>open format and the according transducer to render it into direct
>monkey-consumables, or not. The rights are volatile, and subject to
change.
>Everything enforcible will be enforced, and a good hardened Palladium
makes a
>great many evils possible.

So? Think of it as free advertising for *nix.   And it works, too,
many have $witched.

>What's your problem with music industry getting out of business? What's
your
>problem with a greatly diminished copyright enforcement, and free
sharing of
>information?

I personally have no problem with intermediaries of any form going
extinct.
I have moral problems with tossing copyright out, but have learned
that the only way to prevent their weakening is a police state.

Unless 'trusted' stuff is *required*, people will decide, and they
need not decide homogenously.  If they decide foolishly, well,
that's their choice, evolution never sleeps.  As Schneier once
wrote, offer a free hamburger for DNA samples and they'll line up
around the block.

>Users don't CHOOSE, you Palladium troll. They didn't knew an open
format if
>it bit them in the ass. Their bosses choose, the monopolist choses for
them
>via default-bundle and lock-in.

Are there no home-Mac users who work for entities that require PC usage?





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