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[Sunder]

Oh get over it.  There are other formats.  You ever heard of
XML?  HTML? RTF?

If the day comes where MS Office DRM only works with MS Office DRM, how
many people will switch to it?  If your company is willing to switch to
it, then they'll give you a PC with it on it.  If they don't, then they
can't expect you to interact with them via such formats and can't require
you to do so.

You sound like someone's holding a gun to your head and requiring you to
have MS Office.

Either way, you can ask them to export to other document formats which you
can read.  Even now Office will export to HTML for example which is
readable by Mozilla and other browsers.

Microsoft is not the DMV.  You don't need to use their software.

And no, I will never be part of your problem because the documents I will
create for non work use will be made with Open Office or will be plain
text, html, or xml files.

If I'm required to use a DRM'ed Office for work, then fine, my company
owns those documents anyway and they can do whatever the fuck they like
with them either way.   It doesn't matter to me at all -- it's their call,
it's their company, it's their documents.

But, for personal use, I won't buy any upgrades or new Microsoft
software.  End of story.

Either way, how much a revolt do you think there will be if Microsoft
decides to lock down their tools (such as word) to the point where they
can no longer export to HTML, plain text, RTF should the author wish 
it to do so and provides whatever passphrases or ID's needed to unlock
the document and export it out?

Who would buy such a dog of a product?  Do you think businesses are so
stupid that they'd put up with a product that jails them in?  Get real
son, you're howling at the moon!

On one hand you're bitching that you have to use Microsoft software on the
other you're complaining that I'm using it while I'm telling you I don't
want to and don't care to and won't upgrade to it.

You want to make a difference?  Go ahead, wipe every bit of Microsoft
wares off all your machines and burn the CD's you've installed them
from.  Go all open source and show others the right way.  At least I'd
have some respect for you for voting with your wallet and practicing what
you preach.

Right now all you're doing is bitching that you're forced to buy and use
Microsoft Office.  I say that's bullshit, and you know it.


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On Sat, 14 Jun 2003, Adam Shostack wrote:

> Sure.  And I'm glad you work with a small group of people who
> understand that you don't read their documents.  After many years of
> refusal, I finally gave up.  I work with lots of customers who expect
> documents in MS formats, and look at you askance for giving them
> anything else.  You only get so many explanations before customers go
> elsewhere, and I chose not to spend them on this.  Similarly, I could
> choose to speak to everyone I meet in, say, Russian.  And some folks
> would understand.  Others would walk away.  So, you can argue that
> you're effectively required to speak English to do business in North
> America.  I would argue that you're similarly required to use MS
> Office.
> 
> 
> You'll be part of the problem when Nogsuccob is apon us, because the
> documents you create won't be readable in OpenOffice, and Crossover
> won't run.
>
> 
> Office Nogsuccob will only interoperate with itself.  Companies will end
> up deploying it to interact with other versions, not for any real
> feature.
> 
> You don't like the word force, I suggest quitting all use of .DOC,
> .PPT, and .XLS formats.  Please educate the world on how much better
> the alternatives are.  Me, I'll pay my $200 to not bother today, and
> regret it tomorrow.
> 
> And by the way, do you have a driver's license, or other state-issued
> ID card?