Fwd: [IP] Gilmore bounced from plane; and Farber censors Gilmore's email

Ben Laurie ben at algroup.co.uk
Wed Jul 23 11:41:54 PDT 2003


Kerry Thompson wrote:

> Dave Howe said:
> 
>>John Kozubik wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>There are no obvious grounds for discressionary removal based on wearing
>>a badge (or being married to a habitual badge-wearer) but the "banning
>>notice" thing looks to be a blanket refusal option written up to look
>>like something else - I don't read this as saying you have to have met
>>the section (a) criteria for them to issue a banning notice, in which
>>case they can refuse you for no reason at all provided they put it in
>>writing.
> 
> 
> True, but Gilmore clearly refused an order from the Captain despite his
> view that the order to remove the badge was in breach of some rights that
> he thought he had. At this point of refusal the presence of a badge
> becomes secondary, and Gilmore has probably breached a few rules, such as
> :
> 
> 
>>7) If you have not obeyed the instructions of our ground staff or a member
>>of the crew of the aircraft relating to safety or security.
> 
> 
> .

The safety or security issue being what?

> and maybe :
> 
> 
>>9) If you have behaved in a threatening, abusive, insulting or disorderly
>>way towards a member of our ground staff or a member of the crew of the
>>aircraft.
> 
> 
> if you could class Gilmore's actions as disorderly.

Could you? I think not.

> . and :
> 
> 
>>10) If you have deliberately interfered with a member of the crew of the
>>aircraft carrying out their duties.
> 
> 
> where the duties could have been those of the flight assistant to have the
> badge removed.

Give me a break.

> I felt sorry for the other 300 people on the plane who had their flight
> delayed for some guy with a small badge on his chest, and a big chip on
> his shoulder.

Yeah, never stand up for your rights if it might delay you. I'm with
you, brother.

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