I am anti war. You lot support Saddam
Tyler Durden
camera_lumina at hotmail.com
Wed Dec 24 10:13:38 PST 2003
"And I don't usually get quite this MAD, but such ignorance, such blindness,
is the reason we are in this mess. "
I'm not so sure Mr Donald is ignorant OR blind. He seems to be something
I've never seen in real life before: Completely aligned with US foreign
policy, past/present/future.
I'm starting to think that Mr Donald's contributions to Cypherpunks may be
part of his job description.
-TD
>From: baudmax23 at earthlink.net
>To: cypherpunks at lne.com
>Subject: Re: I am anti war. You lot support Saddam
>Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:40:51 -0500
>
>At 08:14 PM 12/23/2003 -0800, CIA-apologist "James A. Donald"
><jamesd at echeque.com> wrote:
>
>> --
>>James A. Donald
>> > > > > You have just told us that poor little Saddam is a
>> > > > > victim.
>>
>>Jamie Lawrence:
>> > > > Incorrect. I said no such thing, and you're being a twit
>> > > > by attempting to credit me with such statements.
>>
>>James A. Donald
>> > > You were telling us that the USG's terrible mistreatment of
>> > > Saddam is a great shame on the US, which whatever it sounds
>> > > like to you, sounds to me very like "poor little victimized
>> > > Saddam"
>>
>>Jamie Lawrence
>> > I absolutely said no such thing. You are a liar.
>>
>>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:18:51 -0500, message ID
>>20031221161851.GE32589 at clueinc.net You said:
>>: : "I do care that the US fails to adhere to
>>: : international law."
>> implying that US treatment of Saddam violated international
>> law.
>>
>>You also said;
>>: : "knocking over a crippled tyrant."
>>implying oh dear, that terrible big bully USA is kicking a poor
>>little cripple in his poor little wheelchair, think of the poor
>>little Saddam falling out of his wheelchair.
>>
>>These images are not appropriate to someone who claims to
>>believe what you just claimed to believe, and you were not
>>saying what you claimed you were saying.
>>
>>As the thread title says, I am anti war, you support Saddam.
>>
>> > Getting back to what we were talking about, here's a bit that
>> > you didn't want to respond to:
>> >
>> > As it stands, you seem only capable of attempting to impute
>> > motives to others that you imagine they might hold, based on
>> > wildy improbable chains of cause and effect in philosophical
>> > arguments and obscure cause and effect based on international
>> > relations in the '60s, bundled together with some sort of New
>> > American Century twine about how if we don't kill all the
>> > "ragheads" (your words, not mine), we'll be enslaved or
>> > worse.
>>
>>Liar:
>>
>>I did not suggest killing all the ragheads, and in other forums
>>I have regularly argued against claims about Islam or arabs
>>that would rationalize and justify such an action.
>
>"Similarly anyone who opposes the war in Iraq should start by
>visualizing himself as the heir of King John Sobieski, not the
>heir of Saladin. Anyone opposing the war in Iraq needs oppose
>it from the point of view that Americans and their way of life
>should win, deserve to win, and the raghead fanatics should
>lose, and their way of life perish."
>-James A. Donald, post on this thread, 12/20/2003
>
>"...raghead fanatics should lose, and their way of life perish."
>
>Down the memory hole we go folks. James is almost as much in denial about
>his lying as GWB. Confront him as you will, let the facts not be
>obstacles. Genocidal monsters unleashed, with the blessing of James, as we
>will not consider the consequences, because "we can do no wrong". Oh yeah.
>
>>There is ample evidence that the 'anti war' crowd is largely
>>pro Saddam, evidence in this mailing list, considerably
>>stronger evidence in the newsgroups, evidence in the streets,
>>and in the editorials of the BBC and the telegraph, and
>>evidence in your own utterances. Let us discuss that.
>
>Funny, then, and quite logically inconsistent, that this thread is titled
>"I am antiwar...". I have not seen anything evidencing "antiwar: mentality
>from you, as you just justify it as all well, fine and dandy. Oh yeah, if
>WE kill 10,00o Iraqis, that's worth just 1 measly disheveled Saddam.
>You've got some funny math goin', boy. That's not even counting the
>Billions$$ of US $DEBT we cannot afford now.
>
>>Dean at least has a legitimate excuse to be unhappy about the
>>capture of Saddam, since it queers his chances in the election,
>>but there are an awful lot of other people distressed about the
>>capture and coming execution of Saddam. What is your excuse?
>
>Who gives a flying F*CK about Dean, about Commies, about Capitalists, et
>al. Despite repeated and voluminous, historically verifiable and
>irrefutable evidence to the contrary, you refuse to even acknowledge there
>is ANY base grievance against US foreign policy, which has led to the
>current state of affairs (so-called "war on terror", blah blah blah). In
>your rather logically and cerebrally challenged world view, everything else
>is nothing but a "sock-puppet KGB conspiracy" against the US/CIA (which is
>giving the KGB considerably more credit I'm sure, then they deserve, if
>they were half as inept and incompetent as the CIA during the so-called
>"cold war period construct").
>
>You see, all I care about is: I am not going to pay the bill for this
>inane shit (insane policy), and I would not give my life for it. I would
>not ALLOW any youth under my discretion to be seduced by these lies to lay
>down their life for this SHIT. This is not freedom ,or liberty, or
>liberation. You, James A Donald, are an armchair pussy Neo-con, who
>advocates others putting their lives and resources on the line for this
>utter CRAP and HYPOCRISY, and yet would not do so yourself (you are
>probably physically UNFIT for such military duty yourself). Intellectual,
>moral, and physical WIMPS as yourself are unfit to ask, much less demand
>others suffer the sacrifice to satisfy your self delusions and
>self-aggrandizement. People just like YOU DESERVE to die in RETALIATORY
>strikes to such MAD foreign policy. My only regret is that such attacks
>will not specifically target hard headed morons like you.
>
>And I for sure, would not weap a tear, because scum like you DESERVE such
>an end, in fact, DEMAND it it. That's not just an ad hominem, mind you.
>You don't respond to reason, you LIE and OBFUSCATE. You deserve your just
>fruits. Unfortunately, the actions and policies you advocate will
>inevitably and inexorably lead to the deaths of many innocents who do not
>share your limited views. But it will also end the tyranny of the
>ignorant, and the point is, if that is the case, then so be it. Systems
>seek equilibrium.
>
>Justice will be served, wisdom will prevail. That "it all" will have a
>higher cost than need be, is due to the ignorant likes of you. And don't
>think anyone will cry when the likes of you are gone, any more than Saddam,
>any more than the scum who hung at Nuremburg. Because you are really no
>different, exercising your tyranny behind the masses, than anything he ever
>did. What you advocate, is murder, coercion, torture (in the name of the
>almighty state). And people like you, deserve just the same as Saddam,
>because, at /ROOT, YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT. Screaming for "cruise missile
>strikes" from a 1,000 miles away, even whilst other unfortunate suckers are
>designated to push buttons you wouldn't even have the balls to push
>yourself. What a man! Oh yeah! What a MAN!
>
>-Max
>
>And I don't usually get quite this MAD, but such ignorance, such blindness,
>is the reason we are in this mess. I'd hang you myself, if but given the
>rope and the chance. If it could save ANOTHER 3,000 innocent lives, it'd
>be well worth it!
>
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