I am anti war. You lot support Saddam

Tue Dec 23 22:40:51 PST 2003

At 08:14 PM 12/23/2003 -0800, CIA-apologist "James A. Donald" 
<jamesd at echeque.com> wrote:

>     --
>James A. Donald
> > > > > You have just told us that poor little Saddam is a
> > > > > victim.
>
>Jamie Lawrence:
> > > > Incorrect. I said no such thing, and you're being a twit
> > > > by attempting to credit me with such statements.
>
>James A. Donald
> > > You were telling us that the USG's terrible mistreatment of
> > > Saddam is a great shame on the US, which whatever it sounds
> > > like to you, sounds to me very like "poor little victimized
> > > Saddam"
>
>Jamie Lawrence
> > I absolutely said no such thing. You are a liar.
>
>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:18:51 -0500, message ID
>20031221161851.GE32589 at clueinc.net You said:
>: :     "I do care that the US fails to adhere to
>: :     international law."
>  implying that US treatment of Saddam violated international
>  law.
>
>You also said;
>: :     "knocking over a crippled tyrant."
>implying oh dear, that terrible big bully USA is kicking a poor
>little cripple in his poor little wheelchair, think of the poor
>little Saddam falling out of his wheelchair.
>
>These images are not appropriate to someone who claims to
>believe what you just claimed to believe, and you were not
>saying what you claimed you were saying.
>
>As the thread title says, I am anti war, you support Saddam.
>
> > Getting back to what we were talking about, here's a bit that
> > you didn't want to respond to:
> >
> > As it stands, you seem only capable of attempting to impute
> > motives to others that you imagine they might hold, based on
> > wildy improbable chains of cause and effect in philosophical
> > arguments and obscure cause and effect based on international
> > relations in the '60s, bundled together with some sort of New
> > American Century twine about how if we don't kill all the
> > "ragheads" (your words, not mine), we'll be enslaved or
> > worse.
>
>Liar:
>
>I did not suggest killing all the ragheads, and in other forums
>I have regularly argued against claims about Islam or arabs
>that would rationalize and justify such an action.

"Similarly anyone who opposes the war in Iraq should start by
visualizing himself as the heir of  King John Sobieski, not the
heir of Saladin.  Anyone opposing the war in Iraq needs oppose
it from the point of view that Americans and their way of life
should win, deserve to win, and the raghead fanatics should
lose, and their way of life perish."
-James A. Donald, post on this thread, 12/20/2003

"...raghead fanatics should lose, and their way of life perish."

Down the memory hole we go folks.  James is almost as much in denial about 
his lying as GWB.  Confront him as you will, let the  facts not be 
obstacles.  Genocidal monsters unleashed, with the blessing of James, as we 
will not consider the consequences, because "we can do no wrong".  Oh yeah.

>There is ample evidence that the 'anti war' crowd is largely
>pro Saddam, evidence in this mailing list, considerably
>stronger evidence in the newsgroups, evidence in the streets,
>and in the editorials of the BBC and the telegraph, and
>evidence in your own utterances.  Let us discuss that.

Funny, then, and quite logically inconsistent, that this thread is titled 
"I am antiwar...".  I have not seen anything evidencing "antiwar: mentality 
from you, as you just justify it as all well, fine and dandy.  Oh yeah, if 
WE kill 10,00o Iraqis, that's worth just 1 measly disheveled 
Saddam.  You've got some funny math goin', boy.  That's not even counting 
the Billions$$ of US $DEBT we cannot afford now.

>Dean at least has a legitimate excuse to be unhappy about the
>capture of Saddam, since it queers his chances in the election,
>but there are an awful lot of other people distressed about the
>capture and coming execution of Saddam.  What is your excuse?

Who gives a flying F*CK about Dean, about Commies, about Capitalists, et 
al.  Despite repeated and voluminous, historically verifiable and 
irrefutable evidence to the contrary, you refuse to even acknowledge there 
is ANY base grievance against US foreign policy, which has led to the 
current state of affairs (so-called "war on terror", blah blah blah).  In 
your rather logically and cerebrally challenged world view, everything else 
is nothing but a "sock-puppet KGB conspiracy" against the US/CIA (which is 
giving the KGB considerably more credit I'm sure, then they deserve, if 
they were half as inept and incompetent as the CIA during the so-called 
"cold war period construct").

You see, all I care about is:  I am not going to pay the bill for this 
inane shit (insane policy), and I would not give my life for it.  I would 
not ALLOW any youth under my discretion to be seduced by these lies to lay 
down their life for this SHIT.  This is not freedom ,or liberty, or 
liberation.  You, James A Donald, are an armchair pussy Neo-con, who 
advocates others putting their lives and resources on the line for this 
utter CRAP and HYPOCRISY, and yet would not do so yourself (you are 
probably physically UNFIT for such military duty yourself).  Intellectual, 
moral, and physical WIMPS as yourself are unfit to ask, much less demand 
others suffer the sacrifice to satisfy your self delusions and 
self-aggrandizement.  People just like YOU DESERVE to die in RETALIATORY 
strikes to such MAD foreign policy.  My only regret is that such attacks 
will not specifically target hard headed morons like you.

And I for sure, would not weap a tear, because scum like you DESERVE such 
an end, in fact, DEMAND it it.  That's not just an ad hominem, mind 
you.  You don't respond to reason, you LIE and OBFUSCATE.  You deserve your 
just fruits.  Unfortunately, the actions and policies you advocate will 
inevitably and inexorably lead to the deaths of many innocents who do not 
share your limited views.  But it will also end the tyranny of the 
ignorant, and the point is, if that is the case, then so be it.  Systems 
seek equilibrium.

Justice will be served, wisdom will prevail.  That "it all" will have a 
higher cost than need be, is due to the ignorant likes of you.  And don't 
think anyone will cry when the likes of you are gone, any more than Saddam, 
any more than the scum who hung at Nuremburg.  Because you are really no 
different, exercising your tyranny behind the masses, than anything he ever 
did.  What you advocate, is murder, coercion, torture (in the name of the 
almighty state).  And people like you, deserve just the same as Saddam, 
because, at /ROOT, YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT.  Screaming for "cruise missile 
strikes" from a 1,000 miles away, even whilst other unfortunate suckers are 
designated to push buttons you wouldn't even have the balls to push 
yourself.  What a man!  Oh yeah!  What a MAN!

-Max

And I don't usually get quite this MAD, but such ignorance, such blindness, 
is the reason we are in this mess.  I'd hang you myself, if but given the 
rope and the chance.  If it could save ANOTHER 3,000 innocent lives, it'd 
be well worth it!

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