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www.m-w.com - type in punk, you get this:

Main Entry:	1punk 
Pronunciation:	'p&[ng]k
Function:	noun
Etymology:	origin unknown
Date:	1596
1 archaic : PROSTITUTE
2 [probably partly from 3punk] : NONSENSE, FOOLISHNESS
3 a : a young inexperienced person : BEGINNER, NOVICE; especially : a
young man b : a usually petty gangster, hoodlum, or ruffian c : a youth
used as a homosexual partner
4 a : PUNK ROCK b : a punk rock musician c : one who affects punk styles



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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, mattd wrote:
> 
> > have to choose soon between use of the words anarchy and punk and some 
> 
> punk <> anarchy
> 
> 'punk' actually means 'anti-establishment' and 'activist' in viewpoint.
> anti-establishment/activist <> anarchy either.
> 
> The black leather and anarchy crap didn't 'happen' on the punk scene until
> the late 70's and early 80's. In particular the club scene in England
> (those crazy Brits and their unemployment, crank & horse).
> 
> When punk really took off (it began in the 60's w/ folks like Iggy Pop
> and the Stooges) in the early 70's (New York Dolls, Germs, etc.) it was a
> direct result of the crappy music (if only every Grease soundtrack would
> self-implode...here's hoping). It was intended to be a return to the
> 'roots' of rock and roll and to attempt to escape from the large record
> companies and their contracts. It fathered the current 'indy' music scene.
> 
> It's also interesting that this is when the 'industrial' music genre began
> with bands like Throbbing Gristle (ie Genesis P. Orridge) and Einsturzende
> Neubauten (Go Blixa!!! - You can't build without destroying). At one point
> P. Orridge was looking to engineer/produce Suzie and the Banshee's first
> album, Billy Idol told here to stay away from those crazies...
> 
> Kids...
> 
> "Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it."
> 
>                                   George Santyana
> 
> "The mouth is the wound of the alphabet. My screams turn back. To lick the
>  wound..."
> 
>                                           "Blutvergiftung"
>                                           (Sung backwards)
>                                           Einsterzende Neubauten
> 
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