From Raymond at fbntech.com Tue Jan 1 02:23:55 2002 From: Raymond at fbntech.com (Raymond D. Mereniuk) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:23:55 -0800 Subject: jamesd,Tim Mays lying black dog., In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20020101204328.00aa36e0@pop.useoz.com> Message-ID: <3C311DED.10516.1778BB88@localhost> On 1 Jan 2002 at 20:56, mattd wrote: > I guess "debates" not defined or practised at the corralitos > compound.Comparing and fondling firearms is. > Take this sub and junctive it up your pompous,pretentious fat,ugly,hairy > ass,Tim. > I hope you choke. Dimtri, is this you reincarnated as a more kinder gentler soul? I realize these insults of Timmy May aren't up to your usual standard but I have that feeling of deja vu. Do you have any memory of your past life? Virtually Raymond D. Mereniuk Raymond at fbntech.com FBN - Offering PUP - Unbreakable Encryption Techology http://www.fbntech.com/pup.html From morlockelloi at yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 04:31:25 2002 From: morlockelloi at yahoo.com (Morlock Elloi) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 04:31:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Dr. Strangelove (was: Clarification for cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020101123125.65691.qmail@web13202.mail.yahoo.com> > But this is a well-established unsolvable problem in > philosophy. It is impossible to examine your fundamental > ideas for they are what you stand on to examine. What > you think are basic are at least one step up from fundamental. But you can cheat if there is a feedback. Suppose that an external party (as opposed to multiple personalities housed in the same wetware) diagnoses you with attribute A (eg. "you write in disconnected fashion and often mention "state") which you neither understand nor agree with. You then, blindly, do the opposite of A (~A) (write closely related sentences and never mention state). This is called acting and many can do it on regular basis. -- Damn, I must stop referring to Kubrick. ===== end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From morlockelloi at yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 04:36:42 2002 From: morlockelloi at yahoo.com (Morlock Elloi) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 04:36:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: CP movies? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020101123642.38876.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> The Cube - http://us.imdb.com/Title?0123755 (deciphering a mechanical trap) Pi - http://us.imdb.com/Title?0138704 (ole superchip tale) ===== end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From measl at mfn.org Tue Jan 1 02:58:11 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 04:58:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: CP movies? In-Reply-To: <1c4d25009caa6972d2a61dbd6cf743ce@dizum.com> Message-ID: Let's not forget Three Days of the Condor. Great film. Possibly the only decent film whazzisface ever made! A lesson in how the world really works. On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Nomen Nescio wrote: > There was once an effort here to list CP relevent prose. > How about a list of CP relevent moving pictures (and why > relevent)? > > Enemy of the State ---for surveillance and conspiracy > GATTACA ---for biometrics, identity fraud, surveillance > > more? > > [NB: this isn't moot; I've bought book$ on the recommendation/ > reputation of some here; I'd certainly rent a videotape, > though not a DVD.. :-] > > [PS: please *don't* recommend "hacker" (fnord) crap like > swordfish, sneakers, gag, etc. I am uncertain whether to > encourage (e.g., documentary) TV segments --there are lots of these but they may be harder to find. Probably for the sake of Future Historians > they should be accepted.] > > -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jan 1 05:55:47 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:55:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: CFP: PKI research workshop (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:32:41 -0500 (EST) From: Russell Nelson To: cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: Re: CFP: PKI research workshop Andrew Odlyzko writes: > 1. Cryptography does not fit human life styles easily. > 2. Novel technologies take a long time to diffuse through society. to which I would add: 3. Cryptography, and therefore PKI, is meaningless unless you first define a threat model. In all the messages with this Subject, I've only see one person even mention "threat model". Think about the varying threat models, and the type of cryptography one would propose to address them. Even the most common instance of encryption, encrypted web forms for hiding credit card numbers, suffers from addressing a limited threat model. There's a hell of a lot of known plaintext there. -- -russ nelson http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | If you argue with someone 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | who is not rational, he will Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | always win, in his own mind. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jan 1 07:10:34 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:10:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: More CP movies In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102014724.00a19150@pop.useoz.com> Message-ID: "The Code" "The Matrix" "Blade" "Mercury Rising" "Our Man Flint" "I Spy" "The Net" "Matt Helm" "James Bond" "Soldier" -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody at dizum.com Tue Jan 1 02:10:07 2002 From: nobody at dizum.com (Nomen Nescio) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:10:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: CP movies? Message-ID: <1c4d25009caa6972d2a61dbd6cf743ce@dizum.com> There was once an effort here to list CP relevent prose. How about a list of CP relevent moving pictures (and why relevent)? Enemy of the State ---for surveillance and conspiracy GATTACA ---for biometrics, identity fraud, surveillance more? [NB: this isn't moot; I've bought book$ on the recommendation/ reputation of some here; I'd certainly rent a videotape, though not a DVD.. :-] [PS: please *don't* recommend "hacker" (fnord) crap like swordfish, sneakers, gag, etc. I am uncertain whether to encourage (e.g., documentary) TV segments --there are lots of these but they may be harder to find. Probably for the sake of Future Historians they should be accepted.] From ryan at havenco.com Tue Jan 1 07:19:19 2002 From: ryan at havenco.com (Ryan Lackey) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:19:19 +0000 Subject: End-to-end encrypting US GSM phones? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20011231202622.033273f0@idiom.com> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20011231202622.033273f0@idiom.com> Message-ID: <20020101151919.GA12545@atreides.havenco.com> Quoting Bill Stewart : > > First of all, the sound system on a Palm Pilot can't handle the job - > there's no microphone, and the speaker system mainly knows how to beep > (you can play different tones, but it's not made for voice.) > Somebody said here that the iPaQ audio is half-duplex - too bad, > because push-to-talk is annoying. I wasn't proposing the palm's audio subsystem; direct access to the audio feed in/out of a bluetooth wireless headset, instead. I would probably do the same thing with an Ipaq, even though the ipaq 3600 hardware, linux, and wince-with-compaq-drivers support full duplex. I think the ipaq is probably a better target platform, if it can be done as a WinCE app, and not require putting linux on the device, or if the device is sold pre-configured with linux and the secure voice software. Ipaq also has the benefit of supporting 802.11, etc., so you could do an "encrypted cordless phone" when around the office, with cell as a way to roam. > Second, crypto is hardly ever the CPU bottleneck - voice compression is. Right -- 70MHz ARM7 is enough for ogg vorbis at nearly the bitrate required, so I'm pretty confident this is possible on an ARM platform. Key management would tax a palm a bit, depending on how you handle public key crypto, primarily on the battery side. I suppose if you do key generation on the palm when docked, it's not as much of a concern. > In the current cell-phone world, you typically need 9600 or below, > and 4800 would be better. Cell phones do have voice compression built in; > unfortunately, the software isn't designed to let you get at the compressed > data stream and do other things with it, and if you're using modems, > you need one or two more sets of similar hardware to transmit it after that. > (The easy data channel in the US, CDPD, doesn't work for voice - > it fits the data into gaps between voice packets, so the latency > is generally way too long and way too variable to handle voice.) People have done CDPD voice before, but yes, the latency is a problem. Most of the ultra-low bitrate encoding algorithms seem designed for 2.4Kbps...GSM is...13Kbps? And so do do full-duplex gsm-quality you'd probably need 4-channel HSCSD. I assume cellphones are either simplex or effectively so. > > Does GSM support handset-to-handset data connections? > Or does you have to use modems? How fast are they? GSM does 9.6kbps modem/data connections (PPP). In the civilized parts of Europe, you can get High Speed Circuit Switched Data; basically, channel bonding for GSM. In the UK, 14.4Kbps HSCSD is free; 28.8kbps is surcharged. Since in the EU it is "caller pays", you could easily run an on-network GSM gateway, with both sides supporting HSCSD, at 14.4kbps, ~150ms latency, operating 24x7, for about USD 110/month flatrate to the calling side. Nokia cardphones, Ericsson T39m and T68 all support HSCSD. > Almost all of the newer cellphone data formats are fast enough, > usually 64kbps or more, if anybody bothers deploying them. > (I'm not counting the Japanese i-mode stuff.) > 32kbps (plus async overhead, if any), > lets you use dirt-simple compression algorithms, So palm would then be sort of feasible on a bluetooth-headset, bluetooth-cellphone, with 28.8kbps HSCSD, at about USD 0.15/minute cell to cell in the UK. > or you could burn some of your 206MHz horsepower on better compression. I suppose battery life is the concern; the ipaq can throttle back quite a bit, so you could have a "call cost/audio quality/battery life" multi-axis control. -- Ryan Lackey [RL7618 RL5931-RIPE] ryan at havenco.com CTO and Co-founder, HavenCo Ltd. +44 7970 633 277 the free world just milliseconds away http://www.havenco.com/ OpenPGP 4096: B8B8 3D95 F940 9760 C64B DE90 07AD BE07 D2E0 301F From faustine at lokmail.net Tue Jan 1 14:43:53 2002 From: faustine at lokmail.net (Faustine) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 17:43:53 -0500 Subject: contextual anonymity Message-ID: <200201012243.RAA31459@mail.lokmail.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 4781 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 01:13:19 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:13:19 +1100 Subject: I wadered lonely as a choate. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020101193419.00aa25a0@pop.useoz.com> >>On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, mattd wrote: > Technology is the sum of mediations between us and the natural world and > the sum of those separations mediating us from each other. >>Technology is science applied with a purpose.<< My posts here are random noise with purpose that remains a mystery.JC. >>Science is understanding an 'event' in the abstract, Dont bother with that messy experimental observation,data collection stuff. >>usually including or requiring a mathematical expression. It's most useful when it is predictive, but there are categorical sciences as well.<< Oh,small S science,I see.Words can have 2 meanings.Maybe even more than 2!? >>Operations Research is about how to string the pieces together in a workable system, with as little waste as possible.<< Unless your a DoD contractor/subbie .Operation soft drill is collecting proffr dollar pledges to shoot this twit. >>Economics is how to pay for it. << APster is how we club together enough to wack out Tim May as a 'control" for the applied science of assassinating the 'W' >>Depends on what one is meaning by 'anonymous'. Or 'technology' >>Context is quite important. << On the internet it means being able to move around without anyone being able to track or trace you.Its done every split second. >>Can somebody go through their entire life completely anonymously?<< The unabomber was doing OK till he unloaded to much text.Some guy lived on an island for 17 years alone. >>Not likely. Email on the internet? Likely, if they are very careful and nobody has any reason to suspect them of anything for some other reason.<< I suspect jim choate is a spamming menace. >>It's a set theory sort of issue. << *Yawn* Revenge of the nerds,jimmy,are we not Punks? >>Thinks like 'signature analysis' come in handy.<< Thorazine for you jimmy,your getting timmies disease. >> When people engage in ANY activity there is 'evidence' left behind. The trick is to understand the (hopefully) distinctive differences in different activities. Then one can 'measure' the sample at the site and (supposedly within some delta of error) determine what did happen. << Jim Choate;spam detective >>The only way to be truly anonymous would be to never leave any sort of evidence. That's (at least for any practical intent or purpose) impossible. << Like you extracting your head from your ass? Eurobilge latest from the belgian foreign minister;"The European Rapid Reaction Force must declare itself operational without such a declaration being based on any true capability." Sheer oat attack? From david at morningwood.net Tue Jan 1 18:18:27 2002 From: david at morningwood.net (david) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:18:27 -0600 Subject: handgun carry Message-ID: <02010120182700.20228@localhost.localdomain> After you acquire a handgun you have to figure out what to do with it. Are you going to carry it on your person, or leave it in your vehicle or at home? Obviously it is most readily accessible if you carry it in a holster. This is also the most secure place for your weapon. You know absolutely where it is and who has it. If you decide on holster carry buy the best quality you can find. It makes no sense to spend several hundred dollars on a handgun and then stuff it into a $15 one size fits all leather sleave. A well designed holster will hold the weapon securely without the use of thumb snaps, etc.; will allow you to assume the correct firing grip while your gun is in the holster; will not allow access to the trigger while the weapon is holstered; and it will retain its shape so that you can reholster with one hand. Handguns can also be carried conviently in a fannypack or a purse. If you carry in a purse, personal planner, etc., you must train yourself to always retain control of it. It takes a lot of practice to learn to never set it down and move away from it without securing it somehow. The next step is to learn how to get your handgun into action as rapidly as possible without shooting yourself in the ass or the foot (which wastes ammo and and impairs your ability to survive a shootout). Ideally you should attend course where you can learn the correct skills and tactics from the start. I took personal handgun courses from the American Small Arms Academy and Front Sight. Other well known schools are Gunsight, Thunder Ranch, and Lethal Force Institute. Two good books to purchase are "The Modern Technique of the Pistol" by Gregory Boyce Morrison and "Combat Handgunnery" by Chuck Taylor. Both books cover all the basic gun handling skills, defensive tactics, and principles of firearms safety. T hey also break down the presentation from the holster (quick draw) into individual steps which can be repeated until they are programmed into your muscle memory. When an action is repeated 3,000 times it becomes a programmed response which is performed automatically. Because of that I couldn't possibly fire too soon during a high speed presentation. To shoot myself during my draw I would literally have to slow down and do it intentionally. Keep your powder dry, David Neilson From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 01:56:30 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:56:30 +1100 Subject: jamesd,Tim Mays lying black dog., Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020101204328.00aa36e0@pop.useoz.com> >>I guess "irony" is not a defined word in Choate Prime. Nor the subjunctive. --Tim May "The great object is that every man be armed and everyone who is able may have a gun." --Patrick Henry "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton<< I guess "debates" not defined or practised at the corralitos compound.Comparing and fondling firearms is. Take this sub and junctive it up your pompous,pretentious fat,ugly,hairy ass,Tim. I hope you choke. 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Check out the testimonials of happy customers, at our site: http://www.gavrol.com/ Re^move your e`mail: http://www.gavrol.com/u.php From nobody at dizum.com Tue Jan 1 12:40:08 2002 From: nobody at dizum.com (Nomen Nescio) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:40:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: AOL blocks Harvard acceptance email as spam Message-ID: <33998367480db982b263e1036fb6523b@dizum.com> AOL Glitch Blocks Harvard Admissions Office's E-Mails to Dozens of Prospective Students The Associated Press Published: Jan 1, 2002 BOSTON (AP) - Dozens of e-mail messages telling Harvard University applicants whether they had been admitted never arrived last month after America Online interpreted the messages as junk e-mail. "This wasn't exactly the instant response we intended," William Fitzsimmons, Harvard's dean of admissions and financial aid, told The Boston Globe. After anthrax spores were mailed through the U.S. postal system, Harvard began using e-mail to inform applicants quickly of whether they had been rejected or accepted. E-mail was used to notify almost all of the 6,000 students who applied in the school's early admission process. But for reasons that even AOL could not explain, the service blocked between 75 and 100 of the e-mails in December because the servers flagged the messages as "spam," the unwanted e-mails that clog users' mailboxes. The messages were bounced back to the university. "Spam is our number one problem. But it's hard to say what would have caused the system to filter e-mail from Harvard," AOL spokesman Nicholas Graham said. The problem proved to be more trouble for Harvard than it was for the students. Most just telephoned the admissions office to find out if they had been accepted. Admissions officers plan to begin posting a notice on the college Web site telling students to make sure their Internet service doesn't block Harvard e-mail. And, as ever, the college will continue to use the postal system to notify applicants. http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAS1B1VXVC.html --- Got Osama? From nobody at mix.winterorbit.com Tue Jan 1 13:23:12 2002 From: nobody at mix.winterorbit.com (Anonymous) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:23:12 +0100 Subject: plumbing attack Message-ID: <8f2a303cf5ce59c1ee082060bd11384d@mix.winterorbit.com> At 11:13 PM 12/31/01 -0500, Dave Emery wrote: >or business - which can be accomplished with a vacuum cleaner or bicycle >pump - and using the resulting "backflow" to push poisons into a local >water-distribution system. Such an attack would use utility pipes for A high-pressure water cleaner puts out ca. 100 atmospheres of pressure, and on the other end, can also flatten a hose if the water supply is shut off and the pump is running. John Y or 100K other structural engineers/architects can probably explain about the multiple-level tanks used in skyscraper hydraulics. As with microbes, the most insidious poisons are the ones that take a long time to show symptoms. Butyric acid squirts from vocal, immature lone wolves is the least of your problems. Damn, but Empire is expensive. From nobody at mix.winterorbit.com Tue Jan 1 14:17:51 2002 From: nobody at mix.winterorbit.com (Anonymous) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:17:51 +0100 Subject: Paris cops raid cybercafes Message-ID: Paris cybercafes raided in shoebomber inquiry By Verena Von Derschau in Paris 01 January 2002 The Paris prosecutor's office opened a judicial inquiry into Richard Reid, the man accused of trying to blow up an aircraft with explosives hidden in his shoes, and investigators have confiscated computers from Paris cybercafis he visited. The inquiry into a possible charge of "criminal association in relation to a terrorist enterprise" would cover anyone suspected of having acted as Mr Reid's accomplice, officials said. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/europe/story.jsp?story=112299 From gstray at uk.packardbell.org Tue Jan 1 15:39:19 2002 From: gstray at uk.packardbell.org (Geoff Stray) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:39:19 -0000 Subject: 2012 News References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011215102513.024ef250@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005c01c1931d$8b179e00$6f927ad5@oemcomputer> 2012 NEWS December 2001 (from 2012: Dire Gnosis) www.diagnosis2012.co.uk Jenkins and Calleman Debate: Calleman's 3rd essay now in html format www.diagnosis2012.co.uk For those who could not access Carl Calleman's 3rd essay, which was posted in the dreaded pdf format, it has now been re-posted in html. New on What's New : www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/new2.htm : a.. 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Sussex, UK, 19 Mar 2002 New on 2012 Books: www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/books.htm · Orion Prophecy · Profiles in Wisdom · Legend of the Rainbow warriors · Return of the Children of Light - New Edition More info coming soon. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 14444 bytes Desc: not available URL: From anonymous at remailer.havenco.com Tue Jan 1 15:48:27 2002 From: anonymous at remailer.havenco.com (Anonymous User) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:48:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: bin Laden censors in Switzerland Message-ID: <42565cec102e91e6c115edec0d0e3437@remailer.havenco.com> Bin Laden book banned From AFP December 31, 2001 A FRENCH book about Osama bin Laden, called The Forbidden Truth, had been banned in Switzerland at the request of one of bin Laden's half brothers, Yeslam Binladin, his lawyer, Jurg Brand, said. Binladin is claiming 20 million Swiss francs ($23.73 million) in damages for defamation from the co-authors, Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie, and the publishers of the book, Guy Birenbaum and Olivier Rubinstein of Denoel publishing house. He claims the book falsely says he was closely linked to the man blamed by the United States for the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington. The German translation of the book, which was due to be published in Switzerland in the next few days, has also been banned. Binladin has lived in Switzerland for about 20 years and has held a Swiss passport for nearly a year. Brand said further legal action was planned in Switzerland. A complaint has also been lodged against the French website www.intelligenceonline.fr for promoting the book. The disputed book's co-author, Dasquie, is the editor in chief of the website. Binladin says he has not had any contact with his half brother for a number of years. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,3514962^1702,00.html From noreply at cypherpunks.to Tue Jan 1 14:53:08 2002 From: noreply at cypherpunks.to (Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:53:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: Paris cops raid cybercafes Message-ID: <2b56dd15a100a733fe6d5ff90f35cbd2@cypherpunks.to> Anti-welfare mother suit gets a major victory Public nuisance laws may apply, appeals court says By Robert Beecker and Christy Parsons Tribune staff reporters Published January 1, 2002 In a significant victory for birth-control advocates, the Illinois Appellate Court ruled Monday that welfare mothers can be sued on the grounds that their spawn create a public nuisance. Marking the first time an Illinois appeals court has considered the novel legal strategy, the decision allows the family of slain Chicago Police Officer Michael Ceriale and relatives of two others killed in urban negro violence to press their claim in Cook County Circuit Court that welfare mothers have "nurtured a climate of violence" by flooding Chicago and its suburbs with ill raised offspring. Writing for the three-member panel, Appellate Judge William Cousins Jr. ruled: "In our view, a reasonable trier of fact could find that the indiscrimate breeding of violent persons were occurrences that defendants knew would result or were substantially certain to result from the defendants' alleged conduct." The decision represents the biggest win to date for birth-control advocates in their drive to use public nuisance laws to hold welfare mothers accountable, legal experts say. Of more than 30 such suits filed around the country, this is the first case to win a favorable appellate decision, said David Kairys, the Temple University law professor who came up with the legal strategy. "This is really a very strong vindication" of the strategy, Kairys said. "The way the mothers are endangering the public health and safety is that they are knowingly and intentionally supplying the criminal gangs with members. It's really that simple." In addition to allowing the Ceriale case to proceed, the Appellate Court's decision could also influence a similar suit brought by the City of Chicago, which is pending before the same panel. The city's suit, which also raised nuisance issues, was dismissed in September 2000 by a Cook County judge. Lawyers for the city said Monday that the appellate decision in the Ceriale case--while not binding--"gives every indication" that the lawsuit will be reinstated. In addition to the Ceriale family, plaintiffs in the case pending before Cook County Circuit Judge Jennifer Duncan-Brice include the family of Andrew Young, who was murdered in June 1996 in his car at a stoplight at Clark and Howard Streets. Defendants in the suit include a number of welfare-rights activists. Attorneys representing welfare mothers said Monday they had not seen the Appellate Court's decision. But James Dorr, attorney for two welfare mothers, said: "I'm sure we'll consider" appealing the decision to the Illinois Supreme Court. NAACP reaction Todd Vandermyde, Illinois lobbyist for the NAACP, said welfare opponents are trying to get from the court what "they've been unable to get out of the legislature." "They don't like parasites, they don't like gangs, they don't like people who breed irresponsibly. So they'll do what they can to run them out of town," Vandermyde said. Attorneys for the families that brought the case praised the court's decision as "sensible and courageous." "What the court did is apply time-honored principles of public nuisance law to the situation we have in Chicago," said Locke Bowman, legal director for the MacArthur Justice Center at the University of Chicago. Lawsuits against the welfare industry have cast a new light on the doctrine of public nuisance, the area of law that lets officials put a stop to activities that pose a danger to the public. In more traditional cases, cities have used such laws to put a clamp on unlawful use of fireworks or industries belching smoke. In recent years, though, Chicago and dozens of other municipalities have tried to use the law to pursue gangster breeders, alleging that they, too, violate reasonable rights to safety. With Monday's opinion, the private plaintiffs cleared the first hurdle to applying that law to a new set of facts. Filed in 1998, the lawsuit stems from the gun-related deaths of five young people, including rookie Police Officer Ceriale, 26, who was killed in August 1998 while conducting surveillance of a drug operation at the Robert Taylor Homes. The lawsuit accused the defendants of "supplying a vast, illicit underground market in bodies in order to meet the demand for gang members and juveniles." Attorneys for the families alleged that the design, marketing and distribution of the welfare system "combined to create a situation where it was highly likely that criminal youths would flow into the underground market." Attorneys for the welfare mothers have countered that their clients manufacture and distribute a legal product. http://chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0201010192jan01.story?coll=chi%2Dnews%2Dhed From petro at bounty.org Wed Jan 2 00:08:05 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:08:05 -0800 Subject: Reg - Linotype copyright action on Adobe-format fonts In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011219084008.0080dae0@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: (Yes, a late reply) On Wednesday, December 19, 2001, at 08:40 AM, David Honig wrote: > At 11:47 PM 12/18/01 -0800, Petro wrote: >> That would be utterly pointless (no pun intended). The value of >> Postscript is that it *isn't* a set of pixels. > > No, it wouldn't be pointless. Postscript is not the only way > to print. What I was responding to was talking about shipping fonts as bitmaps. Bitmaps are not functions, they are not line descriptions. You know this. > > It is the equivalent of using a function that approximates the sine() > function to generate a table of trig values. The function's code > is copyrighted, but the table of values isn't. And yes, there > are still uses for tables of trig values. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From nnburk at dtgnet.com Tue Jan 1 22:08:38 2002 From: nnburk at dtgnet.com (nnburk) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:08:38 -0600 Subject: Magic Lantern - The FBI's viral key-logger Message-ID: Please feel free to distribute this far and wide: Magic Lantern - The FBI's viral key-logger - The Latest - [ISN] FBI confirms "Magic Lantern" project exists [ISN] Infamous hacker group helps the Feds Re: [ISN] Infamous hacker group helps the Feds - cDc calls announcement "satire" Re: [ISN] Infamous hacker group helps the Feds [ISN] DIRT-Magic Lantern Firm Barred from Gov Work FBI may be getting full benefit of Magic Lantern... from BadTrans.B [ISN] FBI surveillance bonanza in BadTrans.B worm From the "We don't need no stinkin' oversight" dept.: Politech: FBI refuses to tell Congress aide about "classified" Magic Lantern Homeland Security, Homeland Profits Technology Already in the Hands of Law Enforcement FBI Software Records Each Keystroke Software Firms Object to FBI Eavesdropping Scarfo, Phase 2: a.k.a. "Magic Lantern" CYBERSECURITY - Threat of Terrorism on U.S. Infrastructure (nytimes.com) What is Magic Lantern? FBI software cracks encryption wall �Magic Lantern� part of new �Enhanced Carnivore Project� EPIC Carnivore (and 'Enhanced Carnivore') FOIA Documents ZDNet News: FBI's magic revealed as old tricks FB I Is Building a 'Magic Lantern' (washingtonpost.com) FB I Develops Eavesdropping Tools (washingtonpost.com) McAfee sides with FBI against customers on "Magic Lantern" Declan McCullagh's Politech FBI reportedly creating "Magic Lantern" anti-crypto virus Declan McCullagh's Politech McAfee sides with FBI against customers on "Magic Lantern" The Spy in Your Computer? (.mp3) from Fact Squad Radio Declan McCullagh's Politech Has McAfee sided with FBI on "Magic Lantern" detection? Spokesman for NAI in Germany disputes the Washington Post article from the German news site "Heise Online" Declan McCullagh's Politech McAfee replies -- by denying any FBI contacts of any sort "Magic Lantern" Discussion from Dave Farber's Interesting-People elist Declan McCullagh's Politech Background on McAfee/NAI Wired News Summary 'Lantern' Backdoor Flap Rages, By Declan McCullagh Declan McCullagh's Politech AP's Ted Bridis replies to McAfee: "I stand by my reporting" Declan McCullagh's Politech McAfee broadens denial: No contact with government of any sort AV vendors split over FBI Trojan snoops Declan McCullagh's Politech Symantec pledges to acquiese to FBI backdoor demands Politech Summary re: "Magic Lantern" FBI 'Magic Lantern' reality check (original article picked up by ISN, below) [ISN] Magic Lantern reality check FBI snoop tool old hat for hackers Warn ing - The FBI knows what you're typing Antivir us firms: FBI loophole is out of line Antiv irus Firms Say They Won't Create FBI Loophole Politech: Symantec, McAfee backpedal furiously on espionage enabled-software Politech: More on Symantec, McAfee, loopholes, and espionage-enabled 'ware Antivir us firms balk at FBI loophole Existence of Magic Lantern Confirmed by FBI FBI confirms "Magic Lantern" project exists FBI confirms Net spying tool exists Infamous hacker group helps the Feds [this one may be nothing more than humor or hoax... on the other hand, the related article: Back Orifice just a phantom seems (at first glance) to be consistent with other articles regarding BO2K.] Magic Lantern's Closest Relatives? ZDNet: Back Orifice 2.0 Back Orifice (incorrectly referred to in this article as "Back Office") and other trojans Back Orifice just a phantom D.I.R.T. - A prototype for Magic Lantern? Or is D.I.R.T. a S.C.A.M? Dirty Secrets 2 - Data Interception by Remote Transmission D.I.R.T. being used to grab PGP keys as early as 1998 Ghost - A Software Keylogger KEYKatcher - Hardware Keyloggers Can we trust LEAs? Illegal LAPD wiretaps -- for shame! by John Gilmore More on LAPD and illegal wiretaps Will the Government Know What You Type? The Privacy Snatchers The Electronic Privacy Information Center's extensive resources on wiretapping cases US Ambassador on Corruption Within Security Forces First, brand all the children... By Brock N. Meeks Potential ways to detect (or protect against) Magic Lantern? Spycop Hook Protect or PC Security Guard Warning: This page contains a possible "web bug" per Bugnosis Integrity Master from Stiller Research OpenAntiVirus Project GnuPG (The GNU Privacy Guard) Jetico's BestCrypt Evidence Eliminator ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From freematt at coil.com Tue Jan 1 21:22:32 2002 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:22:32 -0500 Subject: The End Of Anonymous Money? Message-ID: Euro bank notes to embed RFID chips by 2005 By Junko Yoshida, EE Times Dec 19, 2001 (5:14 AM) URL: SAN MATEO, Calif. - The European Central Bank is working with technology partners on a hush-hush project to embed radio frequency identification tags into the very fibers of euro bank notes by 2005, EE Times has learned. Intended to foil counterfeiters, the project is developing as Europe prepares for a massive changeover to the euro, and would create an instant mass market for RFID chips, which have long sought profitable application. The banking community and chip suppliers say the integration of an RFID antenna and chip on a bank note is technically possible, but no bank notes in the world today employ such a technology. Critics say it's unclear if the technology can be implemented at a cost that can justify the effort, and question whether it is robust enough to survive the rough-and-tumble life span of paper money. A spokesman for the European Central Bank (ECB) in Frankfurt, Germany confirmed the existence of a project, but was careful not to comment on its technologies. At least two European semiconductor makers contacted by EE Times, Philips Semiconductors and Infineon Technologies, acknowledged their awareness of the ECB project but said they are under strict nondisclosure agreements. The euro will become "the most common currency in the world" at midnight on Jan. 1, when 12 nations embrace it, according to Ingo Susemihl, vice president and general manager of RFID group at Infineon. The ECB and criminal investigators in Europe are already on high alert, worried not only about counterfeiting of a currency most people haven't seen, but also of a possible increase in money laundering, given the euro's broad cross-border reach. [...] ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From petro at bounty.org Wed Jan 2 00:34:07 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:34:07 -0800 Subject: handgun carry In-Reply-To: <02010120182700.20228@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7C8E21CC-FF5B-11D5-A64A-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Tuesday, January 1, 2002, at 06:18 PM, david wrote: > The next step is to learn how to get your handgun into action as > rapidly as > possible without shooting yourself in the ass or the foot (which wastes > ammo > and and impairs your ability to survive a shootout). Ideally you should > attend course where you can learn the correct skills and tactics from > the > start. I took personal handgun courses from the American Small Arms > Academy > and Front Sight. Other well known schools are Gunsight, Thunder Ranch, > and > Lethal Force Institute. If any body in the bay area is interested in taking these sorts of classes, I know a local instructor who is fairly good, and a lot cheaper than going to many of these. > -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From petro at bounty.org Wed Jan 2 00:46:19 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:46:19 -0800 Subject: cell phone guns In-Reply-To: <01122920263300.07451@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <312DFBF4-FF5D-11D5-A64A-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Saturday, December 29, 2001, at 06:26 PM, david wrote: > On Saturday 29 December 2001 05:00 pm, Faustine wrote: > >> Hm, whatever works, I guess. Sheer stealth isn't as much a factor for >> me as >> is accuracy, reliability and being able to avoid the "woman with a >> peashooter" image. All rhetoric aside (but with all that in mind) I've >> actually been thinking of getting a 9mm, something along the lines of a >> Glock 26, a Kahr P9 or maybe a Sig-Sauer P239. Any thoughts? > > I have a Glock M17 and M21. They are both extremely accurate and > reliable. > Glocks are serious gun fighter's weapons because they have no extra > bells and > whistles like external safeties and hammer decockers. They also don't > have Um. No, they are serious fighters weapons because they are simple, robust and reliable. But mostly robust and reliable. If you're looking for a firearm, after reliability the most important thing is ergonomics. I've owned a Beretta 92, a Tanfoglio (eaa witness) .45, and a HK P7. I've fired glocks, Sigs, Browning Hi-powers (and clones/redesigns) and a wide variety of 1911s. I can't stand the way the glocks and most of the 1911s fit my hand, they don't feel "right", while the browning Hi-power, the HK P7, Beretta etc. all felt good. The P7 being the best IMO. Just about any contemporary pistol is going to be robust and reliable as long as you don't make too many modifications to it. > I suggest that you consider a .40 instead of a 9mm. You should always > carry > the largest gun in the in the biggest caliber you can control and > conceal. The real world energy difference between a .40 and a 9mm is not worth talking about. The most important thing with a pistol is accuracy. There are two ways to achieve good accuracy, one is to be born with a natural talent. The other is to practice practice, practice. With 9mm being significantly cheaper than .40, you can practice a lot more for the same dollar. 9mm has been killing and wounding people for many years. > The bigger the gun the easier and faster it is to shoot accurately. The > bigger the caliber the more stopping power. The reason the US military > switched to .45 caliber handguns is becuause .38 caliber handguns were > so > ineffective against the Moros in the Phillipines. Then again, we don't have many scientific studies on the effectiveness of the .45 against them either. > Since 9mm is .36 caliber, .38 > the military has basicially returned to a caliber proven to be not up > to the > task. Glock offers .40 in each of the frame sizes it offers 9mm in. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From petro at bounty.org Wed Jan 2 00:49:20 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:49:20 -0800 Subject: cell phone guns In-Reply-To: <01123020010200.17320@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9CF9D916-FF5D-11D5-A64A-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Sunday, December 30, 2001, at 06:01 PM, david wrote: > On Sunday 30 December 2001 07:37 pm, Harmon Seaver wrote: > >> Nobody, but nobody, walks around with an empty chamber, whatever >> the caliber. > > Last I heard the Isreali military still did. An empty chamber was US > military standard carry until the switch from 1911 the Beretta. The > military > was the last to hear about the Modern Technique of the Pistol. Many European police departments also insist on condition 2 carry. In fact if you look at the slide on a CZ100, there is an odd "dongle" or lump between the rear sight and the ejection port. Rumor has it that this dongle is intended to be used to engage the slide on the pistol belt to rack the first round into the chamber enabling a patrol officer to bring his pistol into action single handed (apparently many European officers also tend to work with police dogs, and having one hand on the leash means it can't be used to rack the slide). -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From petro at bounty.org Wed Jan 2 00:57:43 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:57:43 -0800 Subject: Choices of small handguns In-Reply-To: <026E6DFF-FD78-11D5-B1CF-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: On Sunday, December 30, 2001, at 02:53 PM, Tim May wrote: > * H&K P7, the famous "squeeze-cocker." I had wanted one of these since > reading about them in 1980, so when H&K was selling a bunch of reworked > and remarket P7s at a good price ($550 or so), I bought one. Very > elegant, very unusual. Mine is in 9mm. Very safe, but takes a bit of > getting used to. It also takes some thinking about to transition out of. The squeeze cocker also acts as the slide release release, so you get real used to just squeezing and going. > > The Glock 26 would probably be a good choice for a woman, due to the > smaller hands most women have. 9mm is more than adequate, especially > when loaded with something like Hydra-Shok or Golden Saber or the like. My wife, who has small hands, has a CZ75, which is a wonderful mid-sized pistol. They are well made, reliable, and fairly inexpensive. > I like my Kahr, followed by my H&K P7, followed by my SIGs. I didn't much care for the Kahr I fired, the trigger was really stiff, and the recoil was a lot sharper. Of course, this was on one of their smaller products. > > (I also have a full-sized H&K USP .45, and other handguns, of course.) > > > --Tim May > "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can > only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves > money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority > always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the > Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over > loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship." --Alexander > Fraser Tyler > > -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From petro at bounty.org Wed Jan 2 01:05:59 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:05:59 -0800 Subject: Choices of small handguns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sunday, December 30, 2001, at 09:11 PM, Matthew Gaylor wrote: > At 2:53 PM -0800 12/30/01, Tim May wrote: >> * H&K P7, the famous "squeeze-cocker." I had wanted one of these since >> reading about them in 1980, so when H&K was selling a bunch of >> reworked and remarket P7s at a good price ($550 or so), I bought one. >> Very elegant, very unusual. Mine is in 9mm. Very safe, but takes a bit >> of getting used to. > > Click, clack is how I describe the P7. I wouldn't want to reveal my > position to say a burglar with such a pistol- Any of the other pistols > mentioned along with other conventional DA/SA pistols seem to be a > better choice. The squeeze cock is activated as you draw/grasp the weapon. If the burglar is close enough to hear that he is going to notice your movement. >> * I have one Glock, a 1986-vintage Model 17, the first ones they >> imported into the U.S. 9mm, 17-18 shots. It does the job, is safe, and >> is a reliable standby. Many people swear by them. A Glock 19 is >> slightly smaller. And then there are the aforementioned Model 26s and >> 27s (.40, I recall). > > Keep in mind that Glocks, while excellent, reliable and accurate do > lead the pack in accidental discharges, even among "trained" police. > I'd not recommend the Glock to a beginner or to someone who wouldn't > put in the necessary practice. Most of the ADs are from either not taking their fingers off the trigger, or from having the trigger snag on something. Not that this takes away from what you have written. > >> I like my Kahr, followed by my H&K P7, followed by my SIGs. >> (I also have a full-sized H&K USP .45, and other handguns, of course.) > > The Kahr's are excellent firearms- Especially if your primary purpose > is to conceal it. However as a general purpose pistol a higher > magazine capacity model with better longer range accuracy is better- Not for civilian use. The vast majority of defensive pistol engagements are under IIRC 7 feet, and are over in 1-3 shots. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 06:13:37 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 01:13:37 +1100 Subject: CP movies? Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102010631.00a23050@pop.useoz.com> Saw this 3 nights running,it was on with a long turgid rod Taylor western,Chisum,but we put up with that for the sheer brilliance of http://morricone.topcities.com/film/film073.html#Kopf The guy blows up tax offices! Its from a site here that lists some highly influential spaghetti westerns.http://morricone.topcities.com/film/frm/ft_main.html From petro at bounty.org Wed Jan 2 01:16:25 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:16:25 -0800 Subject: Choices of small handguns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <65A65D74-FF61-11D5-A64A-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Monday, December 31, 2001, at 12:01 AM, Black Unicorn wrote: > Ancient German P7 secret: > > You can decock the pistol silently by disengaging the squeeze cock > mechanism > under the trigger guard and flush with the depressed squeeze-cocker > with the > thumb on your free hand and slowly releasing pressure on the cocker. > It's > pretty easy to engage the cocker silently as well, but why bother? I Could you elaborate on this please? I'm trying it right now, and I'm not understand how to make it any quieter than just letting go. As to the initial squeeze, it's actually so quiet as to be unnoticeable beyond arms length. > consider it like a set trigger. It only gets cocked when the target is > acquired, identified and in the sights anyhow. If you really need that I disagree, it gets cocked when it gets picked up. The finger doesn't get to the trigger until the sites are lined up. > They are one of the few well manufactured pistols that have properly > balanced tolerances with a fixed barrel and still aren't subject to a > lot of One more point about the barrel--it sits a lot lower in the frame than most pistols, modifying the recoil to more of a push than a flip--this leads to a quicker followup shots. > jamming or ammo pickiness. It loves being dirty and will shoot on and > on > regardless of what its been through. (Fluted chamber helps here). > Combined > with good ammo, like say Golden Saber, the gun, if not the user, will > outshoot about anything that isn't designed specifically for competition > (i.e. impractical for real use). However, do not get oil in the gas-tube. This will lead to problems. > More importantly it is simply the fastest, most accurate handgun from > draw > to target to fire that I've ever used. Best concealed carry around, in > my > view. While I won't disagree, I will note that if you live in a cold climate, and use a very close to the body carry (IWB etc) the steel against your skin can get a little cold, while some of the polymer pistols won't have this problem (any metal bodied pistol will). > Like I said, I don't bother with anything else anymore. Hell, they're all fun to shoot. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From petro at bounty.org Wed Jan 2 01:18:10 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:18:10 -0800 Subject: Choices of small handguns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, December 31, 2001, at 07:13 AM, Matthew Gaylor wrote: > >> It loves being dirty and will shoot on and on >> regardless of what its been through. (Fluted chamber helps here). > > You bring up one of my other objections to the design- The fluted > chamber is tough on the brass. If you don't reload it isn't a problem > however, but the fluting puts striations on the brass that weakens it > for subsequent use. I've heard that certain loads (Silvertips) foul up > the gas system on the P7 quicker than other designs. If the P7 works > and if your particular gun works for you and your happy with it that's > great. Personally I'd stack up my Sig226 or Beretta 92FS against the > P7 anytime. IMO 9mm is too cheap to bother reloading. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From petro at bounty.org Wed Jan 2 01:19:02 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:19:02 -0800 Subject: Choices of small handguns In-Reply-To: <200112312215.RAA18327@mail.lokmail.net> Message-ID: On Monday, December 31, 2001, at 02:15 PM, Faustine wrote: > Thanks to all for the excellent advice and recommendations. I'm sure > it's > worth taking the time to try them all before deciding, thanks again for > a more > solid place to start. How much time do you have? There are a *lot* of pistols out there. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 06:25:15 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 01:25:15 +1100 Subject: Tim May found dead by FBI Special Agent Jesus Gomez. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102012216.00aa5ca0@pop.useoz.com> Subject: Tim May found dead by FBI Special Agent Jesus "necro" Gomez. May was a vulgar and common man, a cad undiluted. He was ignorant, bigoted, self-seeking, blatant and dishonest. His career brought him in contact with the first men of his time; he preferred the company of rustic ignoramuses. ...He seemed only a poor clod like those around him, deluded by a childish theology, full of an almost pathological hatred of all learning, all human dignity, all beauty, all fine and noble things. He was a peasant come home to the dung-pile. Imagine a gentleman, and you have imagined everything that he was not.Stiffness in the extremities, incoordination, stupor, myotonia, and other physical abnormalities marred may's last 40 years.Talking with him was described as morally abhorrent, evil. unhealthy, selfish, elitist, and ultimately an experience that could only lead only to unhappiness and pain. simple, neat, and wrong. May's headstone was precarved by longtime fiend and fellow cypherpunk mattd who spoke briefly over the grave... "There was a old fool on our hill, Who found his way to work his will. He changed his shape, he changed his name, But ever the other will be the same. So runs the water away, away, So runs the water away" From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 07:15:15 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 02:15:15 +1100 Subject: More CP movies Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102014724.00a19150@pop.useoz.com> http://www.epinions.com/mvie_mu-1016678 The presidents analyst.James Coburn in Flint mode.Highly influential on spielbergs 'Jurassic Park'.(the 'educational movie in movie) http://www.badmovies.org/movies/barbarella Things to learn from this classic[]Orange shag carpet is the ultimate in spaceship decor. Stingrays are used as draft horses on other worlds. Sadistic children scream like a flock of seagulls. In the future sexual gratification is achieved by taking a pill and holding hands. (My thoughts exactly...) Orchids are not very filling. Angels make nests. Public suicide chambers need to be clearly marked. Parakeets are carnivorous. Having some woman smoke me in a bong is the stuff dreams are made of. The world will be swallowed by an evil lava lamp monster. W.R. Mysteries of the Organism (Dusan Makavejev, 1971) Satirical documentary on the relationship between sex and politics. The funniest anti-Communist film ever made.From...http://members.aol.com/MG4273/best100.htm Letterman on the shoeburner,next they'll be setting fire to their underpants! {Virgin offer hundreds of 10$ flights in OZ} From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 07:19:41 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 02:19:41 +1100 Subject: The Trouble with Harry Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102021740.00a19cb0@pop.useoz.com> Yada Yada blah blah blah...Let's take a closer look at the females in Harry Potter. Let's compare Harry Potter, a kid's book, to Tom Clancy's macho war-porn books. Clancy's The Hunt for Red October doesn't have a single woman in it. It's men, submarines, and aircraft carriers. Boys and their toys. At some point, a woman reviewer complained that Clancy didn't have any women in his novels, so the next Clancy novel starts off with a woman. Within thirty pages, she manages to stand next to a car bomb and is literally vaporized out of the novel. That'll teach women to be in Tom Clancy novels! So why do women get the same treatment in a children's book? The women and girls in The Sorcerer's Stone are weak, whining, bitches. The boys Harry and his friend Ron are the central characters. The girl is the annoying Hermione, a prissy know-it-all who already read the entire year's schoolwork before school starts and knows all the answers in class. When the boys want to go exploring in the school at night, she warns them, but often ends up tagging along. She casts a spell, but can't do it right and hits the wrong person. After she answers classroom questions, Ron complains to Harry "It's no wonder no one can stand her. She's a nightmare, honestly." She overhears this and ends up crying alone in the bathroom and the boys "...quickly put Hermione out of their minds." While she is weeping alone in the girls' bathroom, a dangerous troll enters(and he is dragging a long wooden club. The Freudians are going to extend their profession another ten years just with this scene.) Theres more at ... http://www.advancingwomen.com/womsoc/review_potter.html From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 07:33:14 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 02:33:14 +1100 Subject: Backflow' water-line attack feared Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102022713.00a1acf0@pop.useoz.com> http://smog.net/curiosities/sabotage/ Has http://smog.net/curiosities/sabotage/xcia07.php Diagram and spanish.Since then quicksetting cements been invented.Published as a warning of the games terrorists are playing with our right to import Kanadian toilets(and water)I know the CIA originally published it Dammit! Its EVIL! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GMC d-(--) s:+ a? C++ UL++ P+ L++>++++ !E W++ N+(++) o? K+ w--- !O M-- V? PS+++ PE Y+ PGP- t* 5+++ X R* tv b+ DI+ D++ G++>+++ e>++ h-- r++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 08:03:04 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 03:03:04 +1100 Subject: US "a better country" for evil,vicious,savage,twisted terrorist attacks.More planned. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102025527.00a20030@pop.useoz.com> Attacks 'have made US a better country' Washington: Most Americans say the country has permanently changed for the better as a consequence of the September 11 attacks, and more than half report that the tragedy has transformed their lives, according to a Washington Post-ABC News Poll. An overwhelming majority of the public also believes that the cost of President Bush's "war on terrorism" will leave other programs short of cash - but nearly all agree that the spending is worth it. The survey of 755 adults from across the country also found that Americans enter the new year optimistic, with eight in 10 more hopeful than fearful about what 2002 holds for them. Nearly everyone surveyed believes that life in the US has been permanently changed in the aftermath of the attacks. The poll found that 63 per cent thought the changes had been for the better. More at ... http://smh.com.au/news/0201/02/world/world8.html Anyone who destroys American interests, consulates, all missionary organisations, McDonald's, KFC, Shell or Caltex petrol pumps or American Express, or anyone who cuts off the head of an American, you will be given complete protection and a special place in paradise "70 virgins waiting in heaven for the martyr who dies for allah" Giangiacomo Feltrinelli, in a booklet entitled Political Guerilla Warfare. Feltrinelli said that the task of the terrorist was to violate the law openly  challenging and outraging institutions and public order in every way. Then, when the state intervenes as a result, with the police and the courts, it will be easy to denounce its harshness and repressive dictatorial tendencies:Direct action_ is what it's all about. Undermining the state through the spread of espionage networks, through undermining faith in the tax system, through even more direct applications of the right tools at the right times. When Cypherpunks are called "terrorists," we will have done our jobs.Tim May. Font: Daschle-Anthrax-Bold "Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." --Robert A. Heinlein From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 09:39:28 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 04:39:28 +1100 Subject: Cash in on american's heartbreak.Become a phone psychic today. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102043110.00aa3c30@pop.useoz.com> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1573228966/ref=pd_hp_msb1_1/102-1712066-7776933 Edgar Cayce is going gangbusters at Amazon.Im excited! Im starting my own channeling service for those reaching out to lost loved ones.Send me your bank account details and Ill have you hooked up in no time.Trust me,I'm a Professor. "Killing innocent people is alright as long as they're in the same general vicinity of someone upon which you wish to exact revenge.""If you want to accurately foretell the future, predict war. You'll always be right." -- Robert Heinlein Worldcon 1976. From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 09:57:34 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 04:57:34 +1100 Subject: Dr. Strangelove (was: Clarification for cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com) Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102044238.00aa4eb0@pop.useoz.com> >>> But this is a well-established unsolvable problem in > philosophy. It is impossible to examine your fundamental > ideas for they are what you stand on to examine. What > you think are basic are at least one step up from fundamental. But you can cheat if there is a feedback. Suppose that an external party (as opposed to multiple personalities housed in the same wetware) diagnoses you with attribute A (eg. "you write in disconnected fashion and often mention "state") which you neither understand nor agree with. You then, blindly, do the opposite of A (~A) << George Castanza tried this once and it worked well. >>(write closely related sentences and never mention state). This is called acting and many can do it on regular basis. -- Damn, I must stop referring to Kubrick. << It sounds like a similar problem to freudian psychiatry when it attempts to examine the unconscious.Or booting up (bootstraps) a computer from nothing.Problems of philosophy; Mmm, reminds me that someone,(wittgenstein?)once said philosophizing could be compared to having a fever (that needed curing.) Damn,I must stop referring to Clarke. 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So are all ".38", including .380, .38 short, .38 long, .38 special, etc. except for the .38-40 which is actually .401. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Wed Jan 2 05:40:37 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 07:40:37 -0600 Subject: The Register - Email work eats security software Message-ID: <3C330DD5.829A5AD3@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/23519.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From mmotyka at lsil.com Wed Jan 2 07:55:18 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 08:55:18 -0700 Subject: Scarfo Phase 2 Message-ID: <3C332D66.853D2C8A@lsil.com> John Young wrote : > > John Schwartz writes in the December 31 New York Times: > > "A controversial system installed on a criminal suspect's > computer by the government to capture the encryption > passwords of a criminal suspect is nearing its second > phase." > > Anybody have info or leads on the "second phase" of > what appears to be the keylogging technology used > by the FBI in the Scarfo case? > Phase I : Prototype development Field Test Establish Legal Precedent Phase II : Mass deployment as a standard tool Phase III : Legislative inclusion in consumer systems Or something along those lines. Mike From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Wed Jan 2 06:35:51 2002 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:35:51 -0500 Subject: CP movies? Message-ID: > Nomen Nescio[SMTP:nobody at dizum.com] wrote: > > There was once an effort here to list CP relevent prose. > How about a list of CP relevent moving pictures (and why > relevent)? > > Enemy of the State ---for surveillance and conspiracy > GATTACA ---for biometrics, identity fraud, surveillance > > more? > Why has no one mentioned '1984'? I've only seen the 1956 version with Edmond O'Brien, not the 1984 version with John Hurt. If we're going to proceed down the 'state as evil' axis, there's a rich vein of content, such as 'Brazil', 'The President's Analyst' (very funny, and highly reccomended), and many others. Peter Trei ============================================================================ ================ This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any third party or use the contents, attachments or information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. Thank You. ============================================================================ ================ From schear at lvcm.com Wed Jan 2 11:37:07 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:37:07 -0800 Subject: Commercial Van Eck? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020102113633.037cf078@pop3.lvcm.com> Use common sense for best security An established company moves into a downtown high-rise and a few months later discovers that many of its secrets are going public. How is that possible? Its networks are locked down. Its employees use passwords, and are given security clearances. So what's the problem? How about that old warehouse next door? A competitor has rented it and mounted large antennas behind closed window blinds to listen for electronic emissions from its neighbor's electronic equipment. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2833569,00.html From freematt at coil.com Wed Jan 2 09:41:19 2002 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:41:19 -0500 Subject: Choices of small handguns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:05 AM -0800 1/2/02, Petro wrote: > The squeeze cock is activated as you draw/grasp the weapon. >If the burglar is close enough to hear that he is going to notice >your movement. Right...like in a darkened bedroom as you crouch down waiting for your attacker... The squeeze cocker is a solution for a non-existent problem. Do you really think a P7 is intrinsically safer than a Sig226 which has no operator manipulated safety? Having a weapon that goes click clack is a detriment. Regards, Matt- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Wed Jan 2 04:14:17 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:14:17 +0100 (MET) Subject: [silk] airport iris scan (fwd) Message-ID: -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:06:06 +0100 From: Rishab Aiyer Ghosh Reply-To: silklist at lists.vipul.net To: silklist at lists.vipul.net Subject: [silk] airport iris scan what i mentioned earlier. http://www.schiphol.nl/schiphol/privium/privium_home.jsp as usual, the dutch govt is the first to try out new things. interestingly, though the card+iris scan allows you to bypass immigration, your iris records are not (they claim) stored anywhere other than on your card. it's not as expensive as i thought, only 99 euro till oct 2002. -rishab From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 19:04:51 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:04:51 +1100 Subject: Watership Down-The USS Titanic's listing,settling. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102135831.00aa6eb0@pop.useoz.com> If something like cryptosporydium gets in the water,as it did in sydney,au,a few years back,probably from dead foxes,then look forward to an increase in burns admissions to casualty.Boiling water accidents went up sharply.Get that Hilary/OZ style health plan going soon if your smart,like I know your not.Kill the president,mattd. "a possible charge of "criminal association in relation to a terrorist enterprise" would cover anyone suspected of having acted as Mattd's accomplice, officials said." From shamrock at cypherpunks.to Wed Jan 2 05:27:56 2002 From: shamrock at cypherpunks.to (Lucky Green) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:27:56 +0100 Subject: End-to-end encrypting US GSM phones? In-Reply-To: <20020101151919.GA12545@atreides.havenco.com> Message-ID: <000601c19391$4ccc1a30$1665a8c0@LUCKYVAIO> Ryan wrote: > Key management would tax a palm a bit, depending on how you > handle public key crypto, primarily on the battery side. I > suppose if you do key generation on the palm when docked, > it's not as much of a concern. Being rather familiar with cryptographic implementations for the Palm platform, I would strongly recommend against attempting to use Palm as a voice encryption device. The platform simply lacks the horsepower to do so. This won't change until Palm starts rolling out their next generation ARM based devices late this year. Of course since the current underpowered Palm platform is continuing to lose the adoption rate fight against PocketPC, basing any new product on the future availability of next-generation Palm devices places the software developer's business model at risk. --Lucky Green From shamrock at cypherpunks.to Wed Jan 2 05:29:31 2002 From: shamrock at cypherpunks.to (Lucky Green) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:29:31 +0100 Subject: FW: arabic <-> english translation page Message-ID: <000e01c19391$847e8670$1665a8c0@LUCKYVAIO> I didn't see this on the list, though I may have missed the post due to mail server migration issues. --Lucky Green -----Original Message----- From: rene at xs4all.nl [mailto:rene at xs4all.nl] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:04 PM To: [elided] Subject: arabic <-> english translation page Some rogue element at cnn.com posted this on their website.. from now on i'm reading al-jazeera ;-) http://europe.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/12/31/arabic.software.ap/index.htm l In October, Cairo-based Sakhr Software released its Arabic-to-English translation software -- free for the world to use -- on the company's Arabic language Web portal at Ajeeb.com http://english.ajeeb.com/ http://edalilc.ajeeb.com/data/66187.asp -> listing of arab news sources http://tarjim.ajeeb.com/ajeeb/Tarjimtrans.asp?ol=1&url=http://www.al-jaz eera.net&lang=1&interface=0&sentence= -> al-jazeera in english From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Wed Jan 2 13:13:25 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:13:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: CP movies? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Videodrome -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From faustine at lokmail.net Wed Jan 2 12:27:17 2002 From: faustine at lokmail.net (Faustine) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:27:17 -0500 Subject: handgun carry and mobile preparedness Message-ID: <200201022027.PAA13634@mail.lokmail.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 23:07:36 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 18:07:36 +1100 Subject: Bundling crypto with Pron Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102180250.00a1b080@pop.useoz.com> Privacy and the public interest Wednesday 02 January, 2002 The Age Any commodity increases in value as it becomes more scarce. Privacy is no exception. As our medical records are computerized, our Internet transactions logged and our banking done electronically, it becomes easier for govts and other undesirables to ferret out information about us. Add to this the huge amount of personal data maintained by large institutions such as insurance companies and remailers that operate loyalty schemes, and the need to shield oneself from unwanted scrutiny becomes even more pressing. This makes the Federal Government's new privacy legislation welcome, even though it has its flaws. The legislation, which took effect just before Christmas, forbids companies to pass on personal information to third parties without the consent of the individual concerned. Consumer groups have expressed disappointment that the new laws do not ban the collection of large databases of personal information for marketing purposes but consumers do now have the right to opt out of direct marketing lists, and marketers will be obliged to tell consumers how to do this. A key change is that consumers, including medical patients, will be able to demand access to information that is held about them and have the right to correct any errors More at ... http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/news/2002/01/02/FFXNGYPZXVC.html From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 1 23:34:33 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 18:34:33 +1100 Subject: Coded child pornography and torture. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102183146.00aa0a90@pop.useoz.com> The drachma was the standard silver coin of antiquity. Commerce and conquest, particularly by Alexander the Great, took the coin as far east as Afghanistan, where it became the model for another coin - the dirham - a measure of currency still applied in the Islamic world, Mr Tzamanis said. The drachma later disappeared until 1832, when Greece gained independence. The modern drachma was intended to revive the spirit of classical Greece. Instead, said Athanassios Tarasouleas, a currency authority, "It's no wonder we feel so sentimental about the drachma. It embodies 170 years of contemporary Greek hardship and survival." In 1942, inflationary pressures forced Greece to issue the largest note denomination in European history - a note for 100 billion drachma, which at the time was the price of a loaf of bread. In 1953, the state ordered Greeks to strike three zeros off every note they owned. Still, the vulnerable drachma was regarded with great affection, and Greeks call it "drachmoula," likening it to a feisty woman. Not surprisingly, some were put off by the appearance of the euro. Daft Punk gets best album nod Wednesday 2 January 2002 Dance duo Daft Punk have beaten acts such as Basement Jaxx and Radiohead to the title of best album of 2001 in a year-end UK poll of polls. The French pair's second album Discovery topped a list compiled by music retailer HMV for its consistent plaudits from music publications in their reviews of the year. Daft Punk - who have taken to dressing as chrome-plated robots to avoid having their photos taken - have been acclaimed for their retro dance sound. In-your-face with a bum By SOPHIE BEST Wednesday 2 January 2002 Bum jokes, as every five-year-old knows, are a crack-up. From Chaucer's bawdy Miller's Tale to Mr Hankey the Christmas Poo from the South Park cartoon, the humour of bums and their odorous side-products is, well, bottomless. Hence the giggles as commuters pass the enormous pink bum outside RMIT that's promoting The Day My Bum Went Psycho, a children's theatre production based on the best-selling book by Australian author, Andy Griffiths. The Day My Bum Went Psycho tells the story of 12-year-old Zack Freeman and his runaway bum. Zack's bum has been enlisted in a guerilla army of bums, led by the elusive and sinister Great White Bum, who leads Zack and his crack squad of bum hunters on a merry, smelly chase. It's the kind of zany, gross-out humour that kids love, even if grown-ups sniff at the "snot, bot, grot" genre of children's literature. "I don't have a problem with snot, bot and grot," says Griffiths. "That's partly why I wrote Bum - people are branding me anyway, so I'll own it!" Some people, however, do have a problem with bums. In August, The Day My Bum Went Psycho was withdrawn as the Literacy Week drawcard when the federal Department of Education, Training and Youth Affairs deemed its cover - with a picture of a toddler's backside - might offend "certain sections of the community". Griffiths' dementedly silly brand of humour - part whimsy, part wild-eyed anarchy - exudes a punk defiance, evidenced when he used to front a band called Gothic Farmyard. Now a full-time writer and father of two girls, Griffiths' love for alternative music still informs his work. "Music feeds everything I do," he says. "I take that rock'n'roll energy, and try to bring it into a story." RMIT Union arts director, Lynne Ellis, shares Griffiths' passion for music. "Theatre is rock'n'roll, in a way," she says. "Especially with kids' theatre, you have to go at such a pace, with fast sequencing, and all that raw energy - it's very in-your-face." The "in-your-face" nature of Bum, the play, is achieved on a low budget. "We don't have the facilities to make huge bum puppets," says Ellis, "so we have fibreglass bums, painted bright pink." A live soundscape by sound designer Daniel O'Shea includes an electronic kaleidoscope of fart noises and a theremin-like "wind machine". Ellis, who has directed the RMIT children's shows for 15 years, collaborated with Griffiths last year to produce Just Andy!, based on his popular Just! series (Just Tricking!, Just Annoying!, Just Stupid! and Just Crazy!). "We've got a reputation as the only group that involves multimedia, cartoon imagery, up-to-date music, lots of lights and soundscapes in kids' theatre," she says. "I'm really hot for that, because (it's) where the next generation of theatre-goers comes from." Griffiths' fans also represent a new generation of readers - particularly among boys, although he receives as many fan letters from girls. "There does appear to be something that happens around grade 6, when boys don't want to be seen reading," he says. "They want to be seen as active, to push away the feminine, and reading is seen as passive and introverted and characterised as feminine - quite unfairly, I think." Together with influences such as Monty Python and Enid Blyton, Griffiths cites Joseph Campbell and his studies in comparative mythology, which identified the archetypal hero's journey as a universal pattern in storytelling. "My aim was to tell a heroic story, based on an absurd premise," says Griffiths. "I'm very aware that Zack is undergoing a hero's journey, discovering powers he never knew he had." Ellis was initially unnerved by the book's military themes, coming so soon after September 11. "With all the imagery kids were getting on television, I thought, 'How am I going to approach all these terrorist bums?' " she recalls. For Griffiths, humour is a perfectly sane response to terrorism. "We spend so much time preparing kids for life, but one of the best values you can teach children is humour," he says. "A punchline jolts us into a different way of interpreting a situation, and protects us from fundamentalism at a deep level. It's hard to be fundamentalist when you can see there are other ways of seeing the world. "The fundamentalist Christians who are complaining about Harry Potter obviously can't make sense of the books, and I suspect they can't make sense of the world." The Day My Bum Went Psycho, from today at the Kaleide RMIT Union Theatre, Swanston Street, city, Tuesdays to Saturdays at 1.30pm until January 19. Griffiths will do readings and book signings after the January 5 and 12 shows. Book on 9685 5111. From gbnewby at ils.unc.edu Wed Jan 2 15:53:10 2002 From: gbnewby at ils.unc.edu (Greg Newby) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:53:10 -0500 Subject: FW: arabic <-> english translation page In-Reply-To: <000e01c19391$847e8670$1665a8c0@LUCKYVAIO> References: <000e01c19391$847e8670$1665a8c0@LUCKYVAIO> Message-ID: <20020102185310.A9298@ils.unc.edu> SakhrSoft, the manufacturers of the software behind the ajeeb.com Web site, are undisputably the experts in machine translation (MT) between Arabic and English. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be very interested in selling software. I've sent two inquiries to their US sales office, and have yet to hear back. Their translation is generally very good, though fraught with typical MT challenges, such as identifying proper names. A standard (and often amusing) test of MT software is to translate, then translate your translation back. The results seldom have the same meaning as the original input, and are often good for a chuckle. -- Greg On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 02:29:31PM +0100, Lucky Green wrote: > > I didn't see this on the list, though I may have missed the post due to > mail server migration issues. > > --Lucky Green > > -----Original Message----- > From: rene at xs4all.nl [mailto:rene at xs4all.nl] > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:04 PM > To: [elided] > Subject: arabic <-> english translation page > > > Some rogue element at cnn.com posted this on their website.. from now on > i'm reading al-jazeera ;-) > > http://europe.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/12/31/arabic.software.ap/index.htm > l > In October, Cairo-based Sakhr Software released its Arabic-to-English > translation software -- free for the world to use -- on the company's > Arabic language Web portal at Ajeeb.com > > http://english.ajeeb.com/ > http://edalilc.ajeeb.com/data/66187.asp -> listing of arab news > sources > http://tarjim.ajeeb.com/ajeeb/Tarjimtrans.asp?ol=1&url=http://www.al-jaz > eera.net&lang=1&interface=0&sentence= > -> al-jazeera in english From petro at bounty.org Wed Jan 2 20:14:11 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:14:11 -0800 Subject: Applied Digital pushes microchip to plant in foreigners for tracking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <56E1FF4A-0000-11D6-A64A-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Saturday, December 22, 2001, at 04:18 PM, Jei wrote: > "Man today is more than ever converging with technology," said > Sullivan, who is CEO of the Palm Beach-based tech company Applied > Digital > Solutions (Nasdaq: ADSX, 45 cents). "I think the positives > overwhelmingly ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mostly just trying to boost stock price I'd imagine. Doesn't Nasdaq de-list companies who stay under a dollar for a certain length of time? -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From nobody at dizum.com Wed Jan 2 11:30:20 2002 From: nobody at dizum.com (Nomen Nescio) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:30:20 +0100 (CET) Subject: Dissent == terrorism Message-ID: <299e5366ac4b944e5f428de364cc8d28@dizum.com> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-010202unease.story U.N. Fears Abuses of Terror Mandate Excerpt: Insulting Mugabe May Be Outlawed On Dec. 20, the Cuban legislature, with President Fidel Castro presiding, unanimously passed a law that state media said expanded the application of capital punishment for crimes defined as terrorism, including the use of the Internet to incite political violence. A week earlier, the government of Zimbabwe published a proposed law that would make it a crime to "undermine the authority of or insult" President Robert Mugabe, who is again seeking reelection. Mugabe's aides defended the legislation as necessary to combat terrorists, a category they said includes most of the president's opponents as well as critical journalists. ... Hey Mugabe give us your home address we'll bill your estate for the bullet you'll receive before you can hear it. From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Wed Jan 2 11:42:24 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:42:24 +0100 (MET) Subject: Magic Lantern - The FBI's viral key-logger (fwd) Message-ID: From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 2 01:57:44 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:57:44 +1100 Subject: Death to the State. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020102205333.00aa3570@pop.useoz.com> A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/ ________________________________________________ This text is a translated part from a statement issued by the Croce Nera Anarchica and the Gruppo Anarchico per lAzione Diretta Globale on dec. 25th. Wednesday, december 19th : 2 guys are arrested in the area of the + banca di Bologna ; and are accused of planning a robbery. They are arrested while driving 2 bikes and allegedly had latex gloves, knives and tights on them. Their names are Carlo Tesseri and Horst Fantazzini. A few hours later, the cops searched their houses and confiscated books, magazines, flyers, stickers as well as a computer, agendas, mail and money. After 32 years of prison, Horst had since a few months been in partial release (until 2019) and Carlo had been freed in july after 7 years of prison. The same day the public prosecutor from Bologna confirmed their arrest. The two used their right to refuse to declare anything. December 24th : Horst is found dead in the prison of Dozza. The official explanation is that he died of a heartattack while under his shower. But then what the fuck is the reason for this heartattack ? Who stopped his heart ? His children noticed he had several bruises on his body. The only thing we are sure of is that this is another state murder that striked an anarchist who intended to live free, to struggle against any kind of authority and against the prisons in which he spent half of his life. The death of Horst in prison has been planned for long. His sentence was supposed to end in 2019. He already has been seriously wounded by prison guards when he tried to escape earlier. On dec. 24th our comrade died while in their hands, locked in the cage of the state. We consider as particulary responsible for this death the public prosecutors from Bologna, Orso and Pescatore, but also the Dozza prison director and the whole staff working within its walls. Murderers, we are not gonna forget you ! Our thought go to Carlo, also locked in this same prison, old friend and comrade of Horst, to whom the visit from family members was denied. His girlfriend asked for a visit of urgency, and was denied this right. One director said that Horsts death was not important enough to let her visit Carlo. Lets stay in solidarity with Carlo in this difficult period, lets remind him that he is not alone. Freedom for all ! Burn all prisons ! Prison address : C. Dozza, via del Gomito, 40136 Bologna Statement from Croce Nera Anarchica and Gruppo Anarchico per lAzione Diretta Globale from dec. 27th. Dying in prison. Everytime a human being dies behind bars, the state commits a murder, because prison kills, and all those who, in one way or another, support this institution of pain and death are murderers. Prison kills, hour after hour, month after month, year after year. Horst, who spent at least 32 years in prison, has been literally slaughtered. This is the only certainty we have and this is the only truth no doctors would write in his report : killed by prison, state murder !! We think with love and rage about the comrade and friend Horst Fantazzini, and we swear him that his life full of revolt has not been lived in vain. Last minute (dec. 29th) A gathering in solidarity with Carlo Tesseri has been called. About 80 people are gathering in front of the prison of Dozza and they will go to Horst Fantazzinis funeral later. -------------------------------------------------------------- Alter-EE mailing list Alter-EE at lists.most.org.pl http://www.lists.most.org.pl/cgi-bin/listinfo/alter-ee From anonymous at remailer.havenco.com Wed Jan 2 14:08:00 2002 From: anonymous at remailer.havenco.com (Anonymous User) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: thermal camera detects lying Message-ID: http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=01012002-053506-3828r Thermal camera may detect lying Published 1/2/2002 2:04 PM ROCHESTER, Minn., Jan. 2 (UPI) -- An experimental new lie detector that measures sudden flashes of heat from around the eyes may soon provide another line of defense against terrorism. "This is the first technology that allows lying to be measured or lying to be detected without any contact with the subject whatsoever instantaneously, in real time," said lead researcher James Levine, an endocrinologist at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. "You don't need to hook them up to anything -- you don't need any sophisticated experts to analyze the data." The researchers say prototypes of the device may aid security operations within the next two years, in areas such as airports and border checkpoints. However, Levine also is concerned about the potential ethical ramifications of the technology if it ever becomes developed for the open market. "If this technology really becomes developed to the desktop phase, you could be sitting in front of your boss and he could ask you 'Do you think you can meet your deadline?' And you can say, 'Sure, of course,' and he'd say, 'I know you're lying,'" Levine said in an interview with United Press International. "Or, on a date, one's boyfriend could say to a person, 'Are you serious about wanting to get married?' and when she answers the question, she's being photographed." "On the other hand, when thinking about the possibility of someone with explosives in his shoes boarding a plane, given the technology's security potential, I think most of us would want this application to be accelerated as quickly as possible," Levine added. "We're making advances in science, and I think the ethical issues need to be dealt with when the advances are being made. Otherwise ethics gets left behind," he said. The device consists of a high-definition thermal imaging camera the size of a shoebox. The scientists also have developed a miniaturized version of the camera, roughly the diameter of a postage stamp. Both are hooked up to a filing cabinet's worth of computer hardware. "As people lie, there is a massive increase in blood flow around the eyes, and associated with that there is sudden warming around the eyes, where the color changes to white in the thermal imaging system," Levine explained. The researchers made their discovery accidentally three years ago while studying, of all things, gum chewing. They were using the thermal imaging device to study the facial muscles at work to analyze how physical activity affected metabolism. "We got these beautiful thermal images every time someone chewed gum, and by accident we detected the very subtle changes that occur in the face with fearfulness -- there was a loud bang when a book fell on the lab floor," Levine told UPI. "The changes in the face that came with that were very consistent with several individuals. And we thought, 'My goodness, if this can detect these very subtle changes instantaneously, perhaps we can see these same changes with lying.'" The research team had 20 volunteers commit a mock crime and then assert innocence under experimental conditions at the Department of Defense Polygraph Institute in Fort Jackson, S.C. Eight of the volunteers stabbed a mannequin and stole $20 from it, while the rest had no knowledge of the crime. The device accurately detected lying roughly 80 percent of the time, a precision level comparable to standard lie detecting polygraph tests performed by experts. "Is the method detecting stress or deceit?" commented physicist Gerry Yonas, principal scientist at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque, N.M. He suggested the researchers needed to further compare this new data with other methods of stress and deceit detection. Levine agreed more evaluation was needed under a variety of conditions outside the laboratory, taking into account factors such as wind speed or what people had to eat. "If this technology has the remote possibility to do what it could do, it's mandatory to get this carefully evaluated as soon as humanly possible," Levine said. The researchers reported their findings in the journal Nature. (Reported by Charles Choi in New York.) From anonymous at mixmaster.nullify.org Wed Jan 2 20:25:06 2002 From: anonymous at mixmaster.nullify.org (Incognito Innominatus) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:25:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: CP flix Message-ID: At 09:35 AM 1/2/02 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: >> Nomen Nescio[SMTP:nobody at dizum.com] wrote: >> >> There was once an effort here to list CP relevent prose. >> How about a list of CP relevent moving pictures (and why >> relevent)? >> >> Enemy of the State ---for surveillance and conspiracy >> GATTACA ---for biometrics, identity fraud, surveillance >> >> more? >> >Why has no one mentioned '1984'? I've only seen the >1956 version with Edmond O'Brien, not the 1984 version >with John Hurt. > >If we're going to proceed down the 'state as evil' axis, >there's a rich vein of content, such as 'Brazil', 'The >President's Analyst' (very funny, and highly >reccomended), and many others. I was specifically trying to avoid such mentally-unnourishing but visually tasty scifi candy as "Matrix" etc. Mostly Choate polluted the list, what a surprise. 1984, because of the televisors and surveillance is ok; Brazil (although brilliant) isn't CP though fantastic in many other respects. If I'm wrong, its because it been years, and I welcome correction. From schear at lvcm.com Wed Jan 2 22:51:00 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:51:00 -0800 Subject: Applied Digital pushes microchip to plant in foreigners for tracking In-Reply-To: <56E1FF4A-0000-11D6-A64A-00306577F12E@bounty.org> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020102224923.03ace660@pop3.lvcm.com> At 08:14 PM 1/2/2002 -0800, Petro wrote: >On Saturday, December 22, 2001, at 04:18 PM, Jei wrote: >> "Man today is more than ever converging with technology," said >>Sullivan, who is CEO of the Palm Beach-based tech company Applied Digital >>Solutions (Nasdaq: ADSX, 45 cents). "I think the positives overwhelmingly > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Mostly just trying to boost stock price I'd imagine. Doesn't > Nasdaq de-list companies who stay under a dollar for a certain length of time? They did but suspended the practice, at least for a few quarters, when all the .com failures threatened to significantly shrink their listing base. steve From anmetet at freedom.gmsociety.org Wed Jan 2 19:55:00 2002 From: anmetet at freedom.gmsociety.org (An Metet) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:55:00 -0500 Subject: Fiat justitia et ruat caelum Message-ID: <7205220993368bfecc0a1f8b31960e7e@freedom.gmsociety.org> At 12:24 PM 1/2/02 -0800, keyser-soze at hushmail.com wrote: >You'll notice that all the governemnt's terrorism fervor is focused on foreigners. I can't wait till a new crop of Timmy McVeighs spring up to make federal workers pay for contributing to restrictions on our liberties. > >"Fiat justitia et ruat caelum" (Let justice be done though the heavens fall.) --legal maxim originating with the Senate of Rome. > _When the Sky Falls_ is an excellent movie. From jas507js at netscape.net Wed Jan 2 23:08:05 2002 From: jas507js at netscape.net (Joseph Assenza) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:08:05 Subject: internet privacy protection Message-ID: <200201030417.WAA11984@einstein.ssz.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1199 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rahettinga at earthlink.net Wed Jan 2 20:24:52 2002 From: rahettinga at earthlink.net (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:24:52 -0500 Subject: Fiat justitia et ruat caelum In-Reply-To: <7205220993368bfecc0a1f8b31960e7e@freedom.gmsociety.org> References: <7205220993368bfecc0a1f8b31960e7e@freedom.gmsociety.org> Message-ID: At 10:55 PM -0500 on 1/2/02, An Metet wrote: >>"Fiat justitia et ruat caelum" (Let justice be done though the heavens >>fall.) --legal maxim originating with the Senate of Rome. My favorite is "Lex vincula justitiae", myself... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Camels, fleas, and princes exist everywhere." -- Persian proverb From declan at well.com Wed Jan 2 21:17:39 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:17:39 -0500 Subject: Illusional delusions In-Reply-To: <03C14CEA-F9A3-11D5-A90A-0050E439C473@got.net>; from tcmay@got.net on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 05:51:01PM -0800 References: <20011225163806.A22507@weathership.homeport.org> <03C14CEA-F9A3-11D5-A90A-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: <20020103001739.A28060@cluebot.com> Just skimming the list after coming back from vacation... Dan Klein has written a nice book titled "Reputation" which I frequently recommend. Looks at some of these examples in detail from a self- regulatory, free-market perspective. -Declan On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 05:51:01PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > I didn't read far enough into BU's piece to see him asking such a silly > question, or I would have also offered S&P and D&B as examples. > "Foobarcorp's rating has been lowered from AAA to AA." Like it or not, > they are in the business of reputation rating. > > So is a Notary Public. So is a restaurant reviewer in a newspaper. So > are Siskel and Ebert, er, Ebert and That New Guy. > > So are the kosher meat dudes who stamp "Kosher" on food approved for > consumption by Jews. > > So are the "PC Labs" and other reviewers of new PC hardware. > > We are swimming in a sea of such reputation services, just as we are > swimming in what is basically an anarchic ocean. > > --Tim May > "Ben Franklin warned us that those who would trade liberty for a little > bit of temporary security deserve neither. 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(Which states "A statement that further transmissions of unsolicited commercial electronic mail to the recipient by the person who initiates transmission of the message may be stopped at no cost to the recipient by sending a reply to the originating electronic mail address with the word 'remove' in the subject line.") From nobody at remailer.privacy.at Wed Jan 2 16:18:06 2002 From: nobody at remailer.privacy.at (Anonymous) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:18:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: w00w00 --AOL msgr gets buffer overflowed Message-ID: New Hole Could Hurt AOL Messenger http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52687-2002Jan2.html By D. Ian Hopper AP Technology Writer Wednesday, January 2, 2002; 3:09 PM WASHINGTON  A security hole in AOL Time Warner's Instant Messenger program used by millions of users worldwide can let a hacker take full control of a victim's computer, according to security researchers and the company. An AOL spokesman said the problem will be fixed soon, and users won't have to download anything. "We have identified the issue and have developed a resolution that should be deployed in the next day or two," AOL's Andrew Weinstein said. "To our knowledge, this issue has not affected any users." The problem affects newest versions as well as many earlier iterations of AOL's Instant Messenger program. Discovered by a loose team of international researchers called 'w00w00,' the hole is a "buffer overflow," like the problem recently found in Microsoft's Windows XP. By sending a stream of junk messages to the program, a hacker can overwhelm the software and make the victim's computer run any commands the hacker wants. "You could do just about anything, (you could) delete files on the computer or take over the machine," w00w00 founder Matt Conover said. Conover said w00w00 has over 30 active members from 14 states and nine countries. Until AOL's fix is released, Conover said, Instant Messenger users should restrict incoming messages to friends on their "Buddy List." "It will at least keep someone from attacking you at random," Conover said, but it wouldn't help if the attack code is added to a virus that propagates without the victim's knowledge. AOL said it has not given its users any advice in the interim. Conover said the group found the problem several weeks ago, but didn't contact AOL until after Christmas. The group didn't get any response from AOL through an e-mail during the holiday week, he said, so w00w00 released details  and a program that takes advantage of it  to public security mailing lists less than a week later. The program released by w00w00 remotely shuts down a person's Instant Messenger program, but could be modified to do more sinister things. That practice is under scrutiny by security professionals. While some independent researchers argue for a "full disclosure" policy and say software vendors are trying to cover up their mistakes, many companies say users are better protected if the company has time to react. Russ Cooper, who moderates a popular security mailing list and works for security firm TruSecure, said Conover's actions are irresponsible. "I think it's better to provide details of the exploit and then let other people write the actual code," Cooper said. "Unfortunately, these are fundamentally naive people with a very childish view of the world." Cooper said he let Conover send the information out through his mailing list, but only did so after noticing it was released through other channels as well. Conover said w00w00 set a New Year's deadline for sentimental reasons, because it was the anniversary of the group's last major security release. He defended the disclosure of the attack program. "This is the approach that w00w00 has historically taken to the problem," he said. "For us it means providing all the information we have available to the security community." AOL's Weinstein said the company would have appreciated more warning. "We'd encourage any software programmer that discovers a vulnerability to bring it to our attention prior to releasing it," Weinstein said. From drevil at sidereal.kz Wed Jan 2 17:32:05 2002 From: drevil at sidereal.kz (Dr. Evil) Date: 3 Jan 2002 01:32:05 -0000 Subject: End-to-end encrypting US GSM phones? In-Reply-To: <20011229115601.GA8712@atreides.havenco.com> (message from Ryan Lackey on Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:56:01 +0000) References: <20011229115601.GA8712@atreides.havenco.com> Message-ID: <20020103013205.13681.qmail@sidereal.kz> What about the possibility of doing encrypted telephony stuff in Java? As many have pointed out, sound programming is highly non-portable among Unices and Windows. However, Java has standard ways of doing that, so maybe it is an option. I know that Java isn't fast, but hardware is getting faster every day. Also, the heavy-lifting stuff (the compression and encryption) could all be written in C, which would be completely portable, and linked in using JNI, right? Java also has all the powerful network libs already built in. If there were an app like SpeakFreely in Java, it would run on a lot of different systems. From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 2 06:32:42 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:32:42 +1100 Subject: Foundation and empire Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020103012928.00aa5d80@pop.useoz.com> http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0102.html Hari seldon informs me that a new era in pscho-hirstory is about to start.The crypto-anarchic milleneum. The game ranges from the prehistoric era up to and beyond the present day, and includes some sci-fi-inspired futuristic combat. Empire Earth is the brainchild of Rick Goodman, one of the key developers behind the Age of Empires games, and this pedigree is immediately apparent. Indeed, Empire Earth takes some of the most enjoyable aspects of the Age series and tosses in a lot more. The resource model and gathering system, in which you use villagers to collect wood, food, stone and gold, is almost identical to that in Age of Empires. There is also farming and the use of logical collection points such as the town centre. But the game adds so much more to this basic framework that it would be a huge injustice to simply call it an Age clone. A comprehensive editor lets you create all sorts of scenarios, and there are four narrative-driven missions that take you through historical epochs, often introducing you to well-known figures who need your help. The 3D visuals are also brilliant, even though the game is a bit of a resource hog and slows down on lesser machines. There are some great smoke and explosion effects, and the sight of massive battleships cruising the seas is extremely impressive. You also get to define your civilization and choose the bonuses and special abilities your people will develop, tweaking them so they are good with airborne units, great with cavalry and good at managing their production in a specific way. The options are very comprehensive, which gives you a real sense of ownership, as your people can be developed during the campaign to suit your style of play. Empire Earth is a very challenging game, and the computer can be a very adept opponent. From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 2 06:42:42 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:42:42 +1100 Subject: Infinite justice.. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020103014008.00aa4d50@pop.useoz.com> The fame of Asimov's Foundation and Robot series has tended to steal the limelight from some of his other masterpieces, chief among them, The End of Eternity, a book that is hard to find. In this book, Asimov consciously set out to explore the limits of the classic paradox of time travel that has bedeviled so many works of science fiction. As a result, this is a "bare bones" novel; no robots or empires or any other such distractions. Its strength lies in imagination. Asimov looks at our world as it has evolved, and then introduces the organization called Eternity, whose mission is to protect humanity from its own mistakes, by making deft changes in key events over time (past and future). Along the way, he has fun making digs at the unchanging fundamentals of human nature (competition, drive, love) amid centuries of changing social mores. At the heart of the book is the love story of Andrew Harlan and Noyes Lambent, but this tale is just a framework for Asimov to build on. In the final analysis, Asimov is making the point that just as a child learns to walk by repeated falls, humanity's ultimate characteristic is the Schumpeterian desire and ability to innovate through risks. If we are protected from ever making mistakes, we may avoid tragedies, but the human race itself will vegetate and die. As with many of his earlier works, the dialog can be jarring and characters often one-dimensional. For all that however, The End of Eternity ranks among Asimov's finest in the field of science fiction and makes it all the more strange why this book is so difficult to find. Do take the time to lay your hands on it; you will not be disappointed. From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 2 07:50:24 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 02:50:24 +1100 Subject: Air force one renamed "lady fanny of Omaha" Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020103024808.00aa6300@pop.useoz.com> COME ON NOW MR. PRESIDENT! Wayne Madsen I am the last person to defend airlines, especially considering the number of bumped flights, lost luggage, and discourteous flight attendants I've put up with over the years. However, when it comes to a feud between George W. Bush and the American Airlines pilot who refused to allow a member of the president's Secret Service personal detail to board a flight in Baltimore because something "didn't seem right with his paperwork," my vote goes to the pilot. Okay, so the Secret Service agent was an Arab American. I bet that American Airlines pilot knew a number of the American Airline pilots who died on September 11, and maybe the one who died in a still unexplained crash of Flight 587, another American Airline plane, near JFK Airport, and probably also the pilot who could have easily lost his life when Richard Reid tried to blow up his plastic explosive-laden sneakers on an American flight from Paris to Miami. Radical Arab Islamists have a penchant for hijacking and blowing up planes and they seem to have a certain predilection for American Airlines. So what did the pilot do wrong? The pilot is informed by airport security that the Secret Service guy is traveling with a gun. The pilot doesn't believe his papers are in order (I bet the Secret Service doesn't like it very much when they are on the receiving end of that missive). And here's the question I would have asked were I that pilot: Why the hell is a Secret Service agent assigned to the president traveling commercial air to the Texas ranch? What happened? Did he miss his flight on Air Force One? Too much to drink over the holidays? Yes, that pilot had a lot of reasonable questions. And considering how American Airlines seems to be the target du jour for Al Qaeda, he did the right thing in refusing him passage. So Dubya vents his spleen at that scruffy-looking Crawford ranch and says if it turns out that his Secret Service man was not allowed to fly because of his ethnicity, "that would make me mad as heck." Hey Dubya, you know what would have made me mad as heck? A passenger with possible phony Secret Service credentials steering another plane into another building. Could never happen? Well, let's see, on September 11 you ran out to hide at the headquarters of the Strategic Air Command in Nebraska because, according to William Safire quoting high-level White House officials, including head gauleiter Karl Rove, someone was able to break the code word security of White House communications and relay the message, "Air Force One is next." If someone could have done that (and every commercial pilot worth a salt knows about that incident), they could probably also obtain fake White House credentials and alter information in the Secret Service and FAA data bases. Mr. President, that pilot certainly does not deserve or require any lectures from you. If you had been a real Air Force pilot and not a weekend warrior who took back seat rides, chalking up questionable "flight time" with the senior arm of the Texas Civil Air Patrol, you might realize as does that American Airlines pilot and your "good friend" John McCain and other real pilots, that pilots are responsible for the lives of their crew and passengers. The pilot who flew you around Texas on weekends extended that protection to you. Please extend the same courtesy to our commercial airline pilots. Your Secret Service agent will get over the insult but families who lose loved ones in terrorist attacks never get over it. But here's the deal. Next time one of your more questionable-acting Secret Service agents gets into it with an airline pilot, would you personally guarantee the security of the aircraft with two armed sky marshals? From ... http://www.spiescafe.com/wm/wayne.htm and while your there,check out ... What?? Are You Serious! They could be just more conspiracy theories, but many investigative journalists are coming up with some interesting connections: 7 7 Profits of Death - Insider Trading & 9/11 7 7 The Smoking Gun 7 7 Guilty for 9/11 - Part 1 7 7 Guilty for 9/11 - Part 2 7 7 Gaping Holes in CIA-v-Bin Laden Story From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 2 07:57:10 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 02:57:10 +1100 Subject: Follow the yellow brick road. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020103025413.00a1fde0@pop.useoz.com> WHAT IS MASS MURDER IF YOU'RE AN EX-PRESIDENT? Wayne Madsen While CIA agents and US Special Forces are on the hunt for Al Qaeda cells throughout East Africa, a company on whose International Advisory Board sits George H. W. Bush ("41," sire of "43") is applying a full court press on human rights workers and opposition politicians in Tanzania. In 1996, Tanzanian troops allegedly buried alive some gold miners at Bulyanhulu mine in northwestern Tanzania. The miners were originally invited by the government to mine gold in the region, but in 1996, the government in Dar es Salaam reversed course and granted the Kahama Mining Corporation, an affiliate of Sutton Resources Ltd. of Canada, a permit to mine the gold in Bulyanhulu. Sutton was later acquired by Barrick Gold, another Canadian firm on whose board Bush pere sits along with former Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and former Clinton First Friend Vernon Jordan. When the Tanzanian independent gold miners refused to comply with a government order to vacate the mine for Sutton, they were said by Tanzanian witnesses to have been buried alive by bulldozers belonging to the mining company. Recent reports and revelations concerning the role of Sutton cum Barrick in the massacre have resulted in a law suit against Britain's Observer newspaper and a decision by Amnesty International to delete references to the massacre in its annual report on human rights. Now, Barrick, in cooperation with the Tanzanian government, is putting the screws to those brave Tanzanians who have dared challenge the official record on what happened at Bulyanhulu. Last month, Tanzanian police arrested Augustine Mrema, the leader of the opposition Tanzania Labor Party, and Rugemeleza Nshala, the head of Lawyers for Environmental Action in Tanzania (LEAT). Tanzania also issued an arrest warrant for Tundu Lissu, a Washington, DC-based human rights lawyer who has documented witness accounts of the 1996 mass murder. Tanzanian police searched the offices of LEAT, reportedly looking for a videotape that displays the charred remains of the bodies of victims, said to have been burnt by the military after they were exhumed from the buried mine. The opposition politicians and human rights workers have refused to turn the tape over to the Tanzanian government wanting to instead get it into the hands of an independent international investigation team. So the deal post September 11 is that if your last name is Bin Laden, Omar, or al-Zahrawi and you killed innocent people, you will have a world coalition hot on your heels. However, if your last name is Bush, Mulroney, or Jordan and it just so happens that another Bush sits in the White House and you sit on an international board of a company accused of covering up genocide, you will get a free pass and a pat on the back. Welcome to the Bush New World Order. God help us all. http://www.spiescafe.com/wm/wayne.htm search also for greg palast's gutsy attack on corporate criminals,Barrick. From nobody at mix.winterorbit.com Wed Jan 2 19:45:11 2002 From: nobody at mix.winterorbit.com (Anonymous) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:45:11 +0100 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index Message-ID: <6ddb6f834a09e1023df7ca1560d34b20@mix.winterorbit.com> At 03:27 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Faustine wrote: >Concealed carry it the only way to go, after I iron all the permits out. What state do you live in? >I'm a firm believer in mobile preparedeness: in fact, every day I never leave >home without carrying a complete BOB concealed in a Kate Spade bag. And I mean >fucking EVERYTHING, the true survivalist nutcase works: first aid kit, emergency >rations, flashlight, space blanket, poncho liner, magnesium fire starter, water >purifying tabs, mini-entrenching tool, Swiss army knife, NIOSH-95 filter mask, >nitrile gloves, monocular, grundig shortwave, passport, etc etc. (Full contents >available on request, it would take awhile!) Your claimed paranoia level goes is beyond most former Intel physicists'. Have you discussed this with your psychiatrist/handlers? From measl at mfn.org Thu Jan 3 06:54:55 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:54:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: Future Gnu's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: > If there's anything more annoying than a boring nut who takes > up 30% of the list volume, it's a boring nut who takes up 30% > of the list volume with plaigerized articles from other, much > more creative and intelligent nuts. Procmail is your friend :-) -- Yours, J.A. 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Peter Trei > ---------- > From: mattd[SMTP:mattd at useoz.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:47 AM > To: cypherpunks at lne.com > Subject: Future Gnu's > > Birthdays;Mel gibson,robert loggia and dabney coleman.Future Gnu's > February 4, 2002 > > An 86 year-old Amish woman on a Florida to Ohio flight detonates a bomb > in pants disguised as battery operated light-up "Viva Las Vegas!" > panties. [...] ============================================================================ ================ This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any third party or use the contents, attachments or information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. Thank You. ============================================================================ ================ From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Thu Jan 3 10:09:06 2002 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:09:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Future Gnu's In-Reply-To: from "measl@mfn.org" at Jan 03, 2002 08:54:55 AM Message-ID: <200201031809.g03I97e01807@artifact.psychedelic.net> > Procmail is your friend :-) > -- > Yours, > J.A. Terranson > sysadmin at mfn.org There is a critical mass of drek above which no one will bother searching for stuff worth reading in the list. Without mentioning any names, might I suggest that certain prolific posters need to stop posting 15 badly formatted seemingly unintelligible messages every time they visit. Two or three badly formatted seemingly unintelligible messages might actually be searched for meaningful content, but when I start seeing screenfuls of message headers from the same person, I hit "delete" and try again a few days later. Odd stuff and spam doesn't need to be 95% of the list traffic. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From mmotyka at lsil.com Thu Jan 3 09:56:58 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:56:58 -0700 Subject: Decent Orwell Article. Message-ID: <3C349B6A.DD32FC17@lsil.com> An interesting read in which the author delves into some details of Orwell's life and possible origins and targets of his satire. Includes some neat stuff regarding the dates 1984 and 2000. Time to go read Iron Heel by Jack London. http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/158445.html Mike From mmotyka at lsil.com Thu Jan 3 10:36:45 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:36:45 -0700 Subject: CP flix Message-ID: <3C34A4BD.DCB0FF11@lsil.com> anonymous wrote : > >At 09:35 AM 1/2/02 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: >>> Nomen Nescio[SMTP:nobody at dizum.com] wrote: >>> >>> There was once an effort here to list CP relevent prose. >>> How about a list of CP relevent moving pictures (and why >>> relevent)? >>> >>> Enemy of the State ---for surveillance and conspiracy >>> GATTACA ---for biometrics, identity fraud, surveillance >>> >>> more? >>> >>Why has no one mentioned '1984'? I've only seen the >>1956 version with Edmond O'Brien, not the 1984 version >>with John Hurt. >> >>If we're going to proceed down the 'state as evil' axis, >>there's a rich vein of content, such as 'Brazil', 'The >>President's Analyst' (very funny, and highly >>reccomended), and many others. > >I was specifically trying to avoid such mentally-unnourishing >but visually tasty scifi candy as "Matrix" etc. Mostly Choate polluted the list, >what a surprise. 1984, because of the televisors and surveillance >is ok; Brazil (although brilliant) isn't CP though fantastic >in many other respects. If I'm wrong, its because it been >years, and I welcome correction. > Brazil : there's now a nice 3-disc set available that includes the full 142 min. version, a bunch of commentary and extras plus the sweetened 90 min. version shown on 'murrican TV. Brazil is CP in the sense that the hunger of the state and marketeers for database filler and the resultant dangers and fuckups is relevant to privacy, information and rights issues that once were part of the the discussion. Now it's mostly mattd and tripple-x critter sex. Not that I'm implying any direct connection. mattd - there's way too much of it but it's not totally devoid of substance. The uncredited posting of someone else's work, well, that's a big problem unless it isn't someone else's work. Mike From faustine. at hushmail.com Thu Jan 3 14:38:02 2002 From: faustine. at hushmail.com (faustine. at hushmail.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:38:02 -0800 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index Message-ID: <200201032238.g03Mc2H90873@mailserver2c.hushmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 3245 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tcmay at got.net Thu Jan 3 15:11:22 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:11:22 -0800 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index In-Reply-To: <200201032238.g03Mc2H90873@mailserver2c.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <33D57402-009F-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 02:38 PM, faustine. at hushmail.com wrote: >>> Have you discussed this with your psychiatrist/handlers? > > Not on your life, baby. But given that I know the L, F, Pd and Pa > scales of the > Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory like the back of my hand, > it's > something of a moot point. A little recommended reading you might find > relevant: Cleckley, Hervey (1903-1984): The Mask of Sanity, Fifth > Edition, 1988. > Anybody who bothers with this kind of stuff needs to see a psychiatrist. (My university encouraged all students to take the MMPI. I saw the "recommended careers" it listed for me and decided it was as I suspected, from the types of questions, just plain voodoo bullshit. That was the last such test I took, more than 30 years ago.) --Tim May "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -- Nietzsche From tcmay at got.net Thu Jan 3 15:20:19 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:20:19 -0800 Subject: Cypherpunk Ban In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <73D5453A-00A0-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 12:22 PM, Sunder wrote: > Um, what's all this crap about? > > You want to publish a newspaper, do so. There's no special requirement > for anyone to publish papers. All you have to do is simply print and > distribute. You might need to comply with some post office regs about > printing ownership info. Nope. The courts have upheld the right under the First to publish untraceably. (I think it was Talley, but I might be misremembering--someone will know the cite offhand.) To be sure, setting up newspaper stands in public places will trigger various business, rental, tax, etc. rules. But publishing a broadsheet or a newsletter or even a 300-page newspaper qua a _publication_ needs no permission slip or "ownership info." There are those in local governments who claim it does, but they are wrong. Their killing is left as an exercise for the marksmen here. As to the space cadet idea that space should be bought in newspapers so that CJ or Toto or Jimbell or Choate or Vulis or Detweiler or mattd or any of our other mental cases, knock yourself out. I wouldn't contribute a microcent. --Tim May --Tim May "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice."--Barry Goldwater From sunder at sunder.net Thu Jan 3 12:22:03 2002 From: sunder at sunder.net (Sunder) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:22:03 -0500 (est) Subject: Cypherpunk Ban In-Reply-To: <20011217082126.27927.qmail@nym.alias.net> Message-ID: Um, what's all this crap about? You want to publish a newspaper, do so. There's no special requirement for anyone to publish papers. All you have to do is simply print and distribute. You might need to comply with some post office regs about printing ownership info. Hell you can even type up "Letters to the editor" and post them anonymously to cypherpunks at whichever_server_you_like. :) Call it the Cypherpunks Weekly Journal if you'd like. :) ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_ at _sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On 17 Dec 2001, D.Popkin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Anonymous writes: > > > I am seriously considering to fund printing of inet-one digest in > > local newspaper/rag that CJ can pick up. On a weekly basis. > > > I'd like to see if pigs will dare fuck him for reading newspapers. > > Interesting. Even more interesting would be to get cooperation of the > paper's editor on the project: (1) avoid paying full price for the > space, (2) gain a free-speech ally. > > > Any pointers to local papers appreciated. > > Here's a little list from google. > > Listed below are general newspapers in the Seattle area. > > 1 King County Journal (multiple locations) > 2 Puget Sound Business Journal (Seattle / Eastside) > 3 Seattle Daily Journal of Commerce (Seattle) > 4 Seattle Post-Intelligencer (Seattle - Combines ads with the Seattle Times) > 5 Seattle Press, The (Seattle) > 6 Seattle Times - (Seattle - Combines ads with the Seattle Post-Intelligencer) > 7 Seattle Weekly, The (Seattle) > 8 Stranger, The (Seattle) > 9 Today's Careers (Pacific Northwest) > > Some corresponding URLs > > 1 http://www.kingcountyjournal.com > 2 http://seattle.bcentral.com/seattle/ > 3 http://www.djc.com/classified/ > 8 http://cgi.thestranger.com/classifieds/index.cgi > 9 http://www.todays-careers.com/ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > Charset: noconv > > iQBVAwUBPB2iz/PsjZpmLV0BAQHhZwH/QkUImzp1j8F+6M8Nt4qc0er/jKa0q5sY > T+p5BcCWZc1YcryVUJuddOc7DakvX1p6Owk+7tydmPKUW74pLHx+8Q== > =Xx+1 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sunder at sunder.net Thu Jan 3 12:31:50 2002 From: sunder at sunder.net (Sunder) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:31:50 -0500 (est) Subject: How do you sleep?, In-Reply-To: Message-ID: * (Cough) Bullshit (cough) * www.m-w.com - type in punk, you get this: Main Entry: 1punk Pronunciation: 'p&[ng]k Function: noun Etymology: origin unknown Date: 1596 1 archaic : PROSTITUTE 2 [probably partly from 3punk] : NONSENSE, FOOLISHNESS 3 a : a young inexperienced person : BEGINNER, NOVICE; especially : a young man b : a usually petty gangster, hoodlum, or ruffian c : a youth used as a homosexual partner 4 a : PUNK ROCK b : a punk rock musician c : one who affects punk styles ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_ at _sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, mattd wrote: > > > have to choose soon between use of the words anarchy and punk and some > > punk <> anarchy > > 'punk' actually means 'anti-establishment' and 'activist' in viewpoint. > anti-establishment/activist <> anarchy either. > > The black leather and anarchy crap didn't 'happen' on the punk scene until > the late 70's and early 80's. In particular the club scene in England > (those crazy Brits and their unemployment, crank & horse). > > When punk really took off (it began in the 60's w/ folks like Iggy Pop > and the Stooges) in the early 70's (New York Dolls, Germs, etc.) it was a > direct result of the crappy music (if only every Grease soundtrack would > self-implode...here's hoping). It was intended to be a return to the > 'roots' of rock and roll and to attempt to escape from the large record > companies and their contracts. It fathered the current 'indy' music scene. > > It's also interesting that this is when the 'industrial' music genre began > with bands like Throbbing Gristle (ie Genesis P. Orridge) and Einsturzende > Neubauten (Go Blixa!!! - You can't build without destroying). At one point > P. Orridge was looking to engineer/produce Suzie and the Banshee's first > album, Billy Idol told here to stay away from those crazies... > > Kids... > > "Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it." > > George Santyana > > "The mouth is the wound of the alphabet. My screams turn back. To lick the > wound..." > > "Blutvergiftung" > (Sung backwards) > Einsterzende Neubauten > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "I throw poo!".....Bumper Sticker of a Funny Monkey > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > From sunder at sunder.net Thu Jan 3 12:46:48 2002 From: sunder at sunder.net (Sunder) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:46:48 -0500 (est) Subject: Saudi Violence in the US In-Reply-To: <3C1F62E7.F8D336C5@sarin.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Khoder bin Hakkin wrote: > Saudi Princess Charged With Beating > Neighbors called 911 Friday after Ismiyati, 36, ran crying from the > apartment she shared with the princess. She told deputies al-Saud beat > her, hit her head against a wall and pushed her down a flight of stairs, > leaving her unable to walk. Wait a fuck "ran crying" is in the same paragraph as "unable to walk?" So either she was able to run, or she was unable to walk. Which is it? From sunder at sunder.net Thu Jan 3 13:34:38 2002 From: sunder at sunder.net (Sunder) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:34:38 -0500 (est) Subject: What is a 'right'? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > A 'right' is an activity that any individual could engage in (at least in > principle) while 'in a state of nature'. > > So what does 'in a state of nature' imply? It implies human activity a > priori to the concept of 'civilization'. That don't work white boy. According to you, while in "a state of nature" anyone has the right to grab the nearest rock and smash it over your head repeatedly (in principle.) That doesn't make it ethical or "right". Right != ability. That you possess the ability to grab a loaded machine gun and shoot the nearest cop does not mean that you legally may do so -- you don't have the right to do so, though you have the physical ability to do so. Unless you are redefining what nature means. While you're at it, you might want to redefine the meaning of "is." Better put some ice on that. Clues: (not that you'll listen, but at least it's amusing...) 1. Quit trying to define things. Your name ain't Merriam Webster, and your private redefinitions of words do not affect the common definitions that everyone else uses. 2. Quit attempting to play a lawyer. You aren't a member of that club, and you don't play one on TV. 3. Your posts are and have been illogical. Try to think before you post. 4. Your posts usually address what you wish reality were like instead of what reality is. This makes your arguements useless. The sky isn't bright orage, the air is not composed of 80% oxygen, the earth isn't flat. You may wish any of these to be so, but it just ain't so. Argue all you like, but the atmosphere does not contain 80% oxygen. 5. Get off this fictional CACL rantmachine. There is no on here that considers themselves to be a member of anything called "CACL." Last time you tried the "self appointed CACL leader" BS, I posted a simple request asking anyone who considers themselves to be a "CACL" to reply. No one did. You're barking up the wrong tree. You may as well be bitching about politics on Mars. No one gives a flying fuck about your imaginary conjectures. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_ at _sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ From deth at runbox.no Thu Jan 3 07:41:33 2002 From: deth at runbox.no (Antwan Vogelscheiss) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:41:33 +0100 Subject: CP movies? References: Message-ID: <000e01c1946d$209227c0$93de74d5@dcut5krzcydjde> lots of crypto in superman, and ofcourse the ultimate phone phreak clark kent From mmotyka at lsil.com Thu Jan 3 16:01:16 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:01:16 -0700 Subject: explicit govt monopoly rent-seeking (law abuse) Message-ID: <3C34F0CC.BF0BCAD7@lsil.com> Anonymous wrote : > >The problem dates from the early 1930s, when utility companies delivered >their bills by mailbox through their own employees out reading meters. The >Postal Service saw a huge drop in revenue and decided to act. Enforcement >became even more important in 1970, Dalton wrote, when Congress >mandated that the Postal Service be self-sustaining. > >>From >http://latimes.com/editions/orange/la-000000534jan03.story?coll=la%2Deditions%2Dorange > >Postal Service Delivers Stern Warning on Mailbox Misuse >Enforcement: Agency tells Orange mobile home park residents to stop >using receptacles to send notices, rent bills, newsletters sans postage. > >..... >Q: When government acts like this how are they different from a gang? >A: Both rule by violence and terror, but a gang claims no moral authority. > My favorite is the lottery : can't gamble in your own home but they can run a statewide casino - how are they different from the mafia? I think there is other wierdness that goes along with the USPS : something about price minimums for certain types of mail carried by the likes of FedEx and UPS. Protective pricing structures. I grew up a in a fairly rural area. We all put up our own mailboxes on posts. Every winter the damn plow knocked them over. Some went for brute force, heavy pipe set in concrete, others for more elegant angled pivoting supports. IIRC when you put up a mailbox ( paid for with your own $ ) it becomes property of the USPS. What about the old-fashioned mail slot on the front door? Illegal to possess now? Why don't the trailer park folk do the following : Update everyone's mail boxes. There will be two slots in the lid : one labelled "US Mail" the other labelled "Private Mail" label the bucket "Private Property - No Trespassing" Let the law come down hard on anyone who puts mail through the US Mail slot without postage. The whole thing sounds truly stupid and about par for the course. Mike From faustine. at hushmail.com Thu Jan 3 17:12:21 2002 From: faustine. at hushmail.com (faustine. at hushmail.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:12:21 -0800 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index Message-ID: <200201040112.g041CLJ90929@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 2845 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 2 22:19:25 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:19:25 +1100 Subject: Mueller badly needs Killing Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020103171145.00aaa040@pop.useoz.com> FBI Director Robert Mueller reports his bureau has no plans to investigate the chief suspect in the international anthrax mailings case. FBI Implicated in Anthrax Mailings Cover-up: Mueller Reports No Intention to Investigate Chief Suspect Sandpoint, ID FBI officials may be implicated in a conspiracy to impede justice in the anthrax mailings case, if not treasonous dereliction of duty, according to a growing number of scientists and consumer advocates. After officials cited the likeliest origin of the powdered anthrax was the U.S. Armys Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah, or its Ohio-based supplier and CIA-contractor, Battelle Memorial Instititue (BMI), FBI Director Robert Mueller announced the bureau has no intention of investigating anyone with, or formerly with, their chief suspectBMI. Just weeks ago, major progress in the FBIs investigation seemed forthcoming. The New York Times and Washington Post revealed that BMI, Dugways anthrax facility supplier and chief administrator had contracted with the CIA (in project Clear Vision) to produce, albeit illegally, the 1 trillion spore-per-gram strain of anthrax under investigation. BMI, while heading the U.S. militarys Joint Vaccine Acquisitions Program worth more than $1 billion in vaccine contracts, commissioned Americas top anthrax expert, William C. Patrick, III, to deliver a report on the powdered anthraxs prospects for being spread through the mail. Thus, by mid-December, the public, including health scientists urged to help federal officials identify suspects, realized that someone with high level security clearance, a black-op budget, access to the BMI/Dugway anthrax labs, and vaccine sales incentive, most likely took BMIs powdered anthrax, and prepared it for mailing from Trenton, NJ; St. Petersburg, FL; Atlanta, GA; and Malaysia. For the first time since the 1975 Frank Church congressional investigation of the CIA for illegally stockpiling anthrax and other biological weapons, the public learned that the CIA had been violating the international Geneva Accord moratorium on biological weapons developmenta revelation somewhat embarrassing to American diplomats engaged in the global War on Terrorism. The day before Christmas, an Op Ed piece in the Wall Street Journal additionally implicated BMI, and potentially the FBI, along with rogue elements within the CIA, in an international conspiracy to commit and cover-up the anthrax mailings crime. BMI and Bioport, a Michigan-based offshoot of Britains leading biological weapons organization at Porton Down, were previously reported to be collaborating on the manufacture and supply of Americas only anthrax vaccine. Dr. Robert C. Myers, Chief Operating Officer of BioPort, told a Senate Appropriations Committee in 1996 that he was part of a team of organizations, led by Battelle Memorial Institute . . .  The Journal writer Edward Jay Epstein cited the testimony of U.S. Army bioweapons official David Franz concerning Americas reliance on British intelligence provided by Porton Down officials regarding the development and use of the powdered Ames strain of anthrax. Thus, the FBIs disregard of foreign suspects, especially Porton Down, with direct links to Bioport and BMIs anthrax vaccine, vaccine contracts, and BMIs and Dugways anthrax experiments, was criticized by Epstein as it was days earlier in the Washington Post. More evidence of the FBIs intentional ineptitude came from the Columbus Dispatch. Though the Washington Post reported that the FBI was allegedly pursuing the possibility that financial gain was the motive behind the anthrax mailings, and that two laboratories were especially implicated, that is, BMI and Dugway, a contradictory announcement was relayed the same day (Dec. 21, 2001) by Ohio Senator Mike DeWine. Based on an ABC News report concerning a BMI employee who had been under FBI investigation for an anthrax threat, FBI Director Robert Mueller had, according to The Dispatch, assured Senator DeWine that the bureau was not investigating, nor intending to investigate, anyone with, or formerly with, BMI. Currently then, the FBI has no intention of investigating its chief suspect, despite the grave likelihood that the remaining mystery will continue to exact massive economic and socio-political tolls. These proceedings have bewildered and even outraged many scientists and public health professionals from whom the FBI requested assistance. In defending the FBIs position, the Washington Post reported that the bureau only learned of a BMI-administered CIA defensive biowarfare contract involving the Ames-strain of anthrax in recent weeks. The CIA program was [allegedly] designed to develop defenses to a vaccine-resistant strain of anthrax reportedly created by the former Soviet Union, officials defended. CIA spokespersons expressed certainty that the anthrax used in the mailings did not come from their work. Taking the agency on its word, the powdered anthrax may not have come from their work, but their contractors work, that is, BMI. Critics claim this CIA defense is deceptive for at least two other reasons: 1) the Soviet Unions most potent anthrax was only half as concentrated as this new CIA/Battelle creation; and 2) it is an American/BritishAmes, Iowastrain prototype, not a Soviet creation, and not resembling anything available to Iraq or other countries favored by terrorists. This spoils the excuse the powdered anthrax was produced for any form of defense, including vaccines. Vaccines are developed to help guard against pre-existing threats, said Ingri Cassel, director of the national Vaccination Liberation associationa consumer education and advocacy group. This anthrax powder was illegally prepared, apparently for offensive military uses, sabotage, and even terrorism. You simply dont develop a new hyper-weaponized strain of anthrax powder for military defense, which implies preventive vaccinations against old Soviet threats, and then commission the top U.S. anthrax expert [William C. Patrick, III] to report on this new weapons capability and lethality from mailed delivery, unless thats how you foresee it being used, Ms. Cassel reasoned. Many people are pondering the suspicious Machiavellian-like targeting of the mass media and congressional Democrats (liberals) befitting the phrase the ends justifies the means. Multi-million dollar vaccine contracts, fast-tracked drug approvals, and frenzied consumer and legislative demand for costly, risky, and largely ineffective vaccines, antibiotics, and other high-priced preventives are the most obvious results of the anthrax mailings. Referring to the unprecedented silica-based, electro-statically charged, dry powdered form of hyper-concentrated anthrax sent through the mail to members of the media and Senators Daschle and Leahy, Dr. Horowitz concluded, It was the only form of anthrax that could be effectively spread, as it was, through the U.S. mail with such far reaching effects. Therefore, the primary suspects have been identified, their dubious histories are well known, and their motives are clear. Any further effort to impede this investigation places FBI director Mueller in the position of an enemy national, or a traitor to the American people he is sworn to protect. We need you to take this Govt modified Virus so we can protect you-FBI's magic lantern links/hirstory Magic Lantern - The FBI's viral key-logger -links (english) by mg reposted 12:14am Wed Jan 2 '02 (Modified on 3:21pm Wed Jan 2 '02) list of links to articles Please feel free to distribute this far and wide: Magic Lantern - The FBI's viral key-logger - The Latest - http://lists.jammed.com/ISN/2001/12/0037.html >[ISN] FBI confirms "Magic Lantern" project exists http://lists.jammed.com/ISN/2001/12/0039.html >[ISN] Infamous hacker group helps the Feds http://lists.jammed.com/ISN/2001/12/0043.html Re: [ISN] Infamous hacker group helps the Feds - cDc calls announcement "satire" http://lists.jammed.com/ISN/2001/12/0053.html Re: [ISN] Infamous hacker group helps the Feds http://lists.jammed.com/ISN/2001/12/0064.html [ISN] DIRT-Magic Lantern Firm Barred from Gov Work http://lists.jammed.com/ISN/2001/12/0063.html >FBI may be getting full benefit of Magic Lantern... from BadTrans.B [ISN] FBI surveillance bonanza in BadTrans.B worm http://www.politechbot.com/p-02955.html >From the "We don't need no stinkin' oversight" dept.: Politech: FBI refuses to tell Congress aide about "classified" Magic Lantern http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=1108 >Homeland Security, Homeland Profits Technology Already in the Hands of Law Enforcement http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=1092 >FBI Software Records Each Keystroke http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=1009 >Software Firms Object to FBI Eavesdropping http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/31/technology/ebusiness/31TECH.9.html > Scarfo, Phase 2: a.k.a. "Magic Lantern" CYBERSECURITY - Threat of Terrorism on U.S. Infrastructure (nytimes.com) What is Magic Lantern? http://www.msnbc.com/news/660096.asp?cp1=1 FBI software cracks encryption wall 'Magic Lantern' part of new 'Enhanced Carnivore Project' http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/foia_documents.html EPIC Carnivore (and 'Enhanced Carnivore') FOIA Documents http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5099906,00.html >ZDNet News: FBI's magic revealed as old tricks http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3371-2001Nov22.html >FB I Is Building a 'Magic Lantern' (washingtonpost.com) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1436-2001Nov22.html >FB I Develops Eavesdropping Tools (washingtonpost.com) McAfee sides with FBI against customers on "Magic Lantern" http://www.politechbot.com/p-02822.html >Declan McCullagh's Politech FBI reportedly creating "Magic Lantern" anti-crypto virus http://www.politechbot.com/p-02834.html >Declan McCullagh's Politech McAfee sides with FBI against customers on "Magic Lantern" http://www.factsquad.org/radio/2001-11-26.mp3 >The Spy in Your Computer? (.mp3) from Fact Squad Radio http://www.politechbot.com/p-02837.html Declan McCullagh's Politech Has McAfee sided with FBI on "Magic Lantern" detection? http://www.ct.heise.de/newsticker/data/wst-26.11.01-001/ >Spokesman for NAI in Germany disputes the Washington Post article from the German news site "Heise Online" http://www.politechbot.com/p-02839.html >Declan McCullagh's Politech McAfee replies -- by denying any FBI contacts of any sort http://www.interesting-people.org/ob/htsearch?config=lists_elistx_com &restrict=%2Finteresting-people%2F&method=and&sort=score&words=%22magi c+lantern%22 >"Magic Lantern" Discussion from Dave Farber's Interesting-People elist http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=mcafee >Declan McCullagh's Politech Background on McAfee/NAI http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,48648,00.html >Wired News Summary 'Lantern' Backdoor Flap Rages, By Declan McCullagh http://www.politechbot.com/p-02840.html >Declan McCullagh's Politech AP's Ted Bridis replies to McAfee: "I stand by my reporting" http://www.politechbot.com/p-02846.html >Declan McCullagh's Politech McAfee broadens denial: No contact with government of any sort http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/23057.html >AV vendors split over FBI Trojan snoops http://www.politechbot.com/p-02851.html >Declan McCullagh's Politech Symantec pledges to acquiese to FBI backdoor demands http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=lantern >Politech Summary re: "Magic Lantern" http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23150.html >FBI 'Magic Lantern' reality check (original article picked up by ISN, below) http://lists.jammed.com/ISN/2001/12/0015.html >[ISN] Magic Lantern reality check http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7944351.html?tag=rltdnws >FBI snoop tool old hat for hackers http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2829781,00.html >Warn ing - The FBI knows what you're typing http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5100528,00.html >Antivir us firms: FBI loophole is out of line http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011210/tc/attack_tech_dc.html Antiv irus Firms Say They Won't Create FBI Loophole http://www.politechbot.com/p-02914.html >Politech: Symantec, McAfee backpedal furiously on espionage enabled-software http://www.politechbot.com/p-02918.html >Politech: More on Symantec, McAfee, loopholes, and espionage-enabled 'ware http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-8134814.html?tag=rltdnws >Antivir us firms balk at FBI loophole Existence of Magic Lantern Confirmed by FBI FBI confirms "Magic Lantern" project exists http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5100652,00.html >FBI confirms Net spying tool exists http://www.vnunet.com/News/1127639 Infamous hacker group helps the Feds [this one may be nothing more than humor or hoax... on the other hand, the related article: http://www.vnunet.com/News/87346 >Back Orifice just a phantom seems (at first glance) to be consistent with other articles regarding BO2K.] Magic Lantern's Closest Relatives? http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2072609,00.html>ZDNet: Back Orifice 2.0 http://pcrev.com/articles/trojan/pindex.shtml >Back Orifice (incorrectly referred to in this article as "Back Office") and other trojans http://www.vnunet.com/News/87346 >Back Orifice just a phantom http://www.codexdatasystems.com/ >D.I.R.T. - A prototype for Magic Lantern? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19480.html >Or is D.I.R.T. a S.C.A.M? http://cryptome.org/dirty-secrets2.htm >Dirty Secrets 2 - Data Interception by Remote Transmission http://jya.com/DIRT-spy.htm >D.I.R.T. being used to grab PGP keys as early as 1998 http://www.keylogger.net/ >Ghost - A Software Keylogger http://www.keykatcher.com/ >KEYKatcher - Hardware Keyloggers Can we trust LEAs? http://www.politechbot.com/p-00624.html>Illegal LAPD wiretaps -- for shame! by John Gilmore http://www.politechbot.com/p-00628.html>More on LAPD and illegal wiretaps http://speakout.com/activism/opinions/4377-1.html >Will the Government Know What You Type? http://www.onmagazine.com/on-mag/reviews/article/0,9985,12609,00.html >The Privacy Snatchers http://www.epic.org/privacy/wiretap/ The Electronic Privacy Information Center's extensive resources on wiretapping cases http://cryptome.org/dirty-secrets.htm >US Ambassador on Corruption Within Security Forces http://www.msnbc.com/news/646793.asp?cp1=1 First, brand all the children... By Brock N. Meeks Potential ways to detect (or protect against) Magic Lantern? http://spycop.com >Spycop http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hills/8839/utils.html >Hook Protect or PC Security Guard Warning: This page contains a possible "web bug" per Bugnosis http://www.stiller.com >Integrity Master from Stiller Research http://www.openantivirus.org/ OpenAntiVirus Project http://www.gnupg.org/ GnuPG (The GNU Privacy Guard) http://www.jetico.com Jetico's BestCrypt http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/go.shtml?A660528 Evidence Eliminator www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=... 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Thank You! =============================================================== From anonymous at remailer.havenco.com Thu Jan 3 09:50:35 2002 From: anonymous at remailer.havenco.com (Anonymous User) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: P2P Apps Share Spyware [wired.com] Message-ID: Users of popular file-sharing applications may unknowingly be sharing more than just their collections of audio files. A Trojan horse program masquerading as an advertising application was included with recent versions of programs BearShare, LimeWire, Kazaa and Grokster. The Trojan, dubbed "W32.Dlder.Trojan" by antiviral companies, is contained within an application called "ClickTillUWin" which promises users a chance to win prizes. According to antiviral firm F-Secure, Dlder tracks URLs that users visit and posts them to a website. F-Secure reported that the Trojan also opens a security hole on infected systems by downloading and activating executable files. "We were told that this installer just created the icons and shortcuts for the ClickTillUWin promotion," Greg Bildson, chief technical officer at Limewire, said in an e-mail. "We rely on Cydoor to deal with our ad deals and bundled software. We assumed that they did their homework on this package but that does not seem to be the case," said Bildson. http://wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,49430,00.html From hseaver at cybershamanix.com Thu Jan 3 16:05:36 2002 From: hseaver at cybershamanix.com (Harmon Seaver) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:05:36 -0600 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index References: <6ddb6f834a09e1023df7ca1560d34b20@mix.winterorbit.com> Message-ID: <3C34F1BE.8BC2053@cybershamanix.com> Anonymous wrote: > > At 03:27 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Faustine wrote: > >Concealed carry it the only way to go, after I iron all the permits out. > > What state do you live in? Hoboy! Want to know her address as well? > > >I'm a firm believer in mobile preparedeness: in fact, every day I never leave > >home without carrying a complete BOB concealed in a Kate Spade bag. And I mean > >fucking EVERYTHING, the true survivalist nutcase works: first aid kit, emergency > >rations, flashlight, space blanket, poncho liner, magnesium fire starter, water > >purifying tabs, mini-entrenching tool, Swiss army knife, NIOSH-95 filter mask, > >nitrile gloves, monocular, grundig shortwave, passport, etc etc. (Full contents > >available on request, it would take awhile!) > > Your claimed paranoia level goes is beyond most former Intel physicists'. > Have you discussed this with your psychiatrist/handlers? Are you kidding? That's not much different than what lot's of people carry around in their car trunk. And pretty reasonable for anyone in today's world -- especially if you're hanging around in a soft target like NY or DC. In fact, if you are in either of the above cities and aren't doing likewise, I guess that's just the darwinian/stupidity factor proving itself, eh? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 2 23:35:42 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:35:42 +1100 Subject: Help needled:2$ or B.U.Ms offer for best device advice in a warming world. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020103183315.00aac9b0@pop.useoz.com> NSW Senior Deputy Police Commissioner Ken Moroney yesterday confirmed that homemade bombs had been found. One of the devices is suspected of starting a fierce bushfire that raged near houses at West Pennant Hills, northwest of Sydney yesterday. A second device was found intact in the Galston area, also in the city's northwest, but it did not spark a fire there. Mr Moroney would not describe the devices in detail because of fears of copycat firebugs. as arsonists use home-made bombs to keep NSW under siege. Two devices have been found in devastated areas. One of them might have lit a fire that threatened hundreds of homes in Sydney's suburbs. Police fear there may be a number of serial arsonists at work and are hunting a motorcyclist suspected of setting fires in the Blue Mountains. From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Thu Jan 3 16:38:30 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:38:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: What is a 'right'? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Sunder wrote: > On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > > > A 'right' is an activity that any individual could engage in (at least in > > principle) while 'in a state of nature'. > > > > So what does 'in a state of nature' imply? It implies human activity a > > priori to the concept of 'civilization'. > > That don't work white boy. > > According to you, while in "a state of nature" anyone has the right to > grab the nearest rock and smash it over your head repeatedly (in > principle.) It's interesting you don't quote the following paras that addresses this exact point (ie isolation). Blipverts strike again. > That doesn't make it ethical or "right". Right != ability. 'right' has nothing to do with 'ability'. One has a right to speech even if one is deaf or dumb. 'right' is a function of existing and defending that existance against threat. > That you possess the ability to grab a loaded machine gun and shoot the > nearest cop does not mean that you legally may do so -- you don't have the > right to do so, though you have the physical ability to do so. Exactly my point... You agree with me, will wonders never cease? -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From njohnsn at IowaTelecom.net Thu Jan 3 17:16:01 2002 From: njohnsn at IowaTelecom.net (Neil Johnson) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:16:01 -0600 Subject: explicit govt monopoly rent-seeking (law abuse) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thursday 03 January 2002 05:55 pm, Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote: > The problem dates from the early 1930s, when utility companies delivered > their bills by mailbox through their own employees out reading meters. The > In my home town the P.O. got in a snit 'cause the local newspaper was putting its paper in people's mailboxes. Solution ? People put up separate boxes for the paper. I think you still have to get some sort of certification from the P.O. if you want to manufacture or sell a box to be used as a mailbox. Go figure. I always liked my friends idea of solving the green house effect by requiring everyone in the US to permanently store the junk mail they receive thus storing the CO2 in the paper (that or requring everyone to stop breathing for 5 minutes). -Neil From measl at mfn.org Thu Jan 3 17:24:22 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:24:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: Future Gnu's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Spare your breath. The only way to shut up someone with a mental condition > is to kick him off the list, to leave the list, or use filtering. Can't we just kick him: period? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Thu Jan 3 10:26:33 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:26:33 +0100 (MET) Subject: Future Gnu's In-Reply-To: <200201031809.g03I97e01807@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Eric Cordian wrote: > There is a critical mass of drek above which no one will bother > searching for stuff worth reading in the list. Without mentioning any > names, might I suggest that certain prolific posters need to stop > posting 15 badly formatted seemingly unintelligible messages every > time they visit. Spare your breath. The only way to shut up someone with a mental condition is to kick him off the list, to leave the list, or use filtering. They're entirely closed to rational argumentation. People who have something to say are usually not that patient, and just leave the list. Overpermissiveness results in quality loss. From tcmay at got.net Thu Jan 3 19:28:13 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:28:13 -0800 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index In-Reply-To: <200201040112.g041CLJ90929@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <1566FED6-00C3-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 05:12 PM, faustine. at hushmail.com wrote: > If you can ever imagine yourself in a situation where it might be to > your > advantage to manipulate your test results to seem a little less > antisocial or > whatever, getting familiar with how they control for deception and which > questions map to which personality "disorders" could come in quite > handy. > > The idea of pigeonholing people this way is morally repugnant: do > pardon me for > not feeling like playing along. Personally, I've never had to take it, > but > couldn't resist the challenge of figuring out how to beat it. And > practicing > until I got every goddamn scale to come out the way I wanted it to. Now > I can > avoid being labeled... I suggest a more straightforward way to "avoid being labeled" by such a voodoo bullshit thing as the MMPI: don't take it. Nobody at any company I have ever been connected with has required it of their employees, the law can't require it (even if one is ordered into a "psychiatric evaluation," it cannot be compelled, for the same reason no speech can be compelled). A simple litmus test: if one is working for an employer or agency which requires psychobabble tests, one is working for the wrong side. > 4 Pd - Psychopathic Deviate > ANG2 - Anger: Irritability > CYN1 - Cynicism: Misanthropic Beliefs > ASP1 - Antisocial Practices: Antisocial Attitudes > TPA1 - Type A: Impatience > TPA2 - Type A: Competitive Drive > FAM2 - Family Problems: Familial Alienation > TRT2 - Negative Treatment Indicators: Inability to Disclose > O-H - Overcontrolled Hostility > > and come out smelling like a rose with... > > S1 - Beliefs in Human Goodness > S2 - Serenity > S3 - Contentment with Life > You're a waste of electrons here. Even Agent Farr was more on-topic. Is this some kind of ersatz chick thing? --Tim May "Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound" From tcmay at got.net Thu Jan 3 19:33:09 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:33:09 -0800 Subject: explicit govt monopoly rent-seeking (law abuse) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 05:16 PM, Neil Johnson wrote: > On Thursday 03 January 2002 05:55 pm, Anonymous via the Cypherpunks > Tonga > Remailer wrote: >> The problem dates from the early 1930s, when utility companies >> delivered >> their bills by mailbox through their own employees out reading meters. >> The >> > > In my home town the P.O. got in a snit 'cause the local newspaper was > putting > its paper in people's mailboxes. Solution ? People put up separate > boxes for > the paper. This kind of scheme falls apart as soon as even a few people _don't_ put up the separate boxes. Or tell the company they have them, but then take them down. Because the billing company, or any other deliverer of mail, is swamped by keeping track of who has special boxes, who needs their bills mailed, etc. > > I think you still have to get some sort of certification from the P.O. > if you > want to manufacture or sell a box to be used as a mailbox. Go figure. Anyone can build and mark a box with "W.A.S.T.E." or some other label. Calling it "Unites States Mail" is where the sticky issues come in. --Tim May --Tim May "Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound" From noreply at cypherpunks.to Thu Jan 3 11:10:31 2002 From: noreply at cypherpunks.to (Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:10:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: Buddy is Vince Foster'ed Message-ID: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGA1U5EL0WC.html From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 3 01:16:33 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:16:33 +1100 Subject: Deconstructing Dan Klein. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020103195409.00aabc30@pop.useoz.com> >>Dan Klein has written a nice book titled "Reputation" which I frequently recommend. Looks at some of these examples in detail from a self- regulatory, free-market perspective. -Declan Daniel Klein is an Associate Professor of Economics. He received his Ph.D. (1990) from New York University. He taught at the University of California,< More self-regulatory and free market states being unavailable? > Irvine, before joining Santa Clara's faculty in 1996. He teaches courses in the principles of economics, public policy issues, and game theory. His research interests lie in public policy issues (especially road transportation) I wonder if he's done any study of the buying up of LA's tramcar net and its destruction by autoimmobile industry? >> American economic history<< Should know of differing US currencies in the past,possible BUMs/e-cash future. >> game theory, and the intersection of economics with moral and political philosophy.<< Something Tim and declan seem woefully ignorant of. Professor Klein is the coauthor of Curb Rights: A Foundation for Free Enterprise in Urban Transit,< Yes,but what does he think of jim bells plans for car thieves? >>editor of Reputation: Studies in the Voluntary Elicitation of Good Conduct,<< I hope he considers the APster plan 9 for negative reputations,soon,real soon. >>and editor of What Do Economists Contribute?<< The few that are using physics modeling contribute something.At 1st glance Klein looks like a smarter D.Friedman,thats not saying much,I know,but I'm on permanent vacation. From measl at mfn.org Thu Jan 3 19:46:14 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:46:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: Ayn Rand meets Osama Bin Laden Message-ID: From: http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/01/02/inv.moussaoui.arraignment/index.html "In the name of Allah, I do not have anything to plea. I enter no plea," Moussaoui told Brinkema. Since the first reports indicate the kind of job many were expecting, now is as good a time as any to ask the same question I asked of the Timothy McVeigh trials: If he is guilty, why do we have to railroad him? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From anmetet at freedom.gmsociety.org Thu Jan 3 19:29:49 2002 From: anmetet at freedom.gmsociety.org (An Metet) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:29:49 -0500 Subject: What's in Agent F's pants? Message-ID: At 06:05 PM 1/3/02 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> At 03:27 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Faustine wrote: >> >Concealed carry it the only way to go, after I iron all the permits out. >> >> What state do you live in? > > Hoboy! Want to know her address as well? Not at all. But depending on the State, County in which you live in the USofA, CCW means you are an oligarch; in others it means you have a constitution-respecting local law enforcement agency. I know SoCal Coasters who have bought property to the east so that they can obtain a CCW. From info4profit1 at alloymail.com Thu Jan 3 23:09:47 2002 From: info4profit1 at alloymail.com (info4profit1 at alloymail.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:09:47 Subject: Fresh, Cost-effective Leads For Your MLM or Business Opportunity Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 8007 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 3 04:28:08 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:28:08 +1100 Subject: thermal camera detects lying Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020103232031.009c1640@pop.useoz.com> >>http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=01012002-053506-3828r Thermal camera may detect lying Published 1/2/2002 2:04 PM ROCHESTER, Minn., Jan. 2 (UPI) -- An experimental new lie detector that measures sudden flashes of heat from around the eyes may soon provide another line of defense against ...<< Lying politicians and officials? 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As a result, all passengers are required to remove their undergarments for inspection in makeshift, screened rooms. Flights are delayed for up to 3 days as lines of irritated passengers wait to be stripped naked by convicted felons (it is discovered that 89% of airport security employees are ex-cons and parolees). February 13, 2002 While passengers are still being strip searched in American airports, a man on United flight 302 from Philadelphia to New York belly flops in the center isle, setting off the nitro-glycerine that his clothes were later found to be soaked in. In a move that outrages the few surviving civil rights organizations, FAA requires all passengers fly in the nude and forgo any in-flight snacks as FBI demonstrates on live TV how a peanut can be used to kill a grown man. June 3, 2002 While Bush is on live TV proclaiming his success in clearing the world of terrorism (UN and US intervened in Indo-Pakistani conflict and accidentally dumped large Anthrax stockpiles and nuclear weapons on all of the Middle East. It was labeled "colateral damage") a woman detonates a tube of explosives concealed in her anal cavity. 300 people on board are killed as well as 263 on ground as wreckage rained down on a Shriner's parade in Utah. All fliers are now required to submit to a body cavity search before boarding plane. July 4, 2002 A naked couple on Alaskan Airlines Flight 65 uses a two-in-one explosive compound to destroy the plane. The man had clear, odorless coating of one chemical on penis, and the woman had second chemical douche before boarding the plane. Flight footage shows couple engaging in intercourse, successfully combining two benign chemicals and forming one super explosive chemical that equaled the power of 5,000 pounds of TNT. Passengers are now required to wear an electronic chastity belt that dissolves the wearer's genitals with a highly corrosive acid at the first signs of arousal. 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Enforcement became even more important in 1970, Dalton wrote, when Congress mandated that the Postal Service be self-sustaining. >From http://latimes.com/editions/orange/la-000000534jan03.story?coll=la%2Deditions%2Dorange Postal Service Delivers Stern Warning on Mailbox Misuse Enforcement: Agency tells Orange mobile home park residents to stop using receptacles to send notices, rent bills, newsletters sans postage. ..... Q: When government acts like this how are they different from a gang? A: Both rule by violence and terror, but a gang claims no moral authority. From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 3 06:20:02 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 01:20:02 +1100 Subject: New TIME persyn of the year. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020104011456.00aa9be0@pop.useoz.com> Yoel Marcus's man of the year.(extracts) The "butterfly affect" has been proved true.A new year has begun in which lone individuals are capable of changing,or at least disrupting,the new world order.At any given moment there is someone in the world plotting to screw the system.The more technologically advanced the country, the more vulnerable it is in the face of obsessed loners,Ideological fanatics and maniacs. Capturing or killing Osama bin laden wont halt the phenomena or lessen the risk.Maybe just the opposite.At a time when every psychopath is king,when civilization is the target and at a loss for what to do,the person of the year is the anonymous loner masterminding the next terrorist spectacular.(published in Ha'aretz and the age.) -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GMC d-(--) s:+ a? C++ UL++ P+ L++>++++ !E W++ N+(++) o? K+ w--- !O M-- V? PS+++ PE Y+ PGP- t* 5+++ X R* tv b+ DI+ D++ G++>+++ e>++ h-- r++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From drevil at sidereal.kz Thu Jan 3 17:42:46 2002 From: drevil at sidereal.kz (Dr. Evil) Date: 4 Jan 2002 01:42:46 -0000 Subject: explicit govt monopoly rent-seeking (law abuse) In-Reply-To: (message from Neil Johnson on Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:16:01 -0600) References: Message-ID: <20020104014246.1578.qmail@sidereal.kz> > I always liked my friends idea of solving the green house effect by requiring > everyone in the US to permanently store the junk mail they receive thus I think that is an excellent idea. > storing the CO2 in the paper (that or requring everyone to stop breathing for > 5 minutes). That would solve not only the greenhouse effect but also the overpopulation problem. From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 3 07:47:13 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 02:47:13 +1100 Subject: D.Klein.when naomi's not available. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020104023845.00aaceb0@pop.useoz.com> Hayek suggests that economic reasoning is likely to lead to conclusions in conflict with universal human instincts and simplistic visions of a happy society. Indeed, we see in this address from 1944 the kernel of ideas that Hayek developed over the subsequent four decades, ideas about the tension between the values of traditional society and the desirable rules for modern society. Hayek (p. 47) cautions his young-economist auditors that in economics "the ruthless pursuit of an argument will lead you almost certainly into isolation and unpopularity." The economist "must not look for public approval or sympathy for his efforts." Hutt's counsel is equally dispiriting. He says that the libertarian-oriented economist must "be aware of a periodic recurrence of a sense of utter helplessness": On all sides he thinks he sees the survival of ignorance and confusion of thought on matters which affect human welfare; and he feels that nothing that it is within his power to do or say can have the slightest effect in checking the accumulation of wrong ideas and false policies which they bring forth. He recognizes that in spheres in which policy and ...action can be influenced, he is doomed to virtual dumbness to-day. He does not attempt the impossible. He seldom protests, for experience and history have taught him that protests are without avail and merely damaging to his reputation. He realizes that persistent opposition to the popular illusions of his time will simply bring him the notoriety of a crank . . . (Hutt, p. 34). Yup. The sense of frustration and despair is greatest for those economists who take part in public discourse. One of Hutt's section headings reads: "It is as a critic of actual affairs that the economist is most aware of his ineffectiveness." Although statist thinking has, in recent decades, not continued to advance the way it did when Hutt wrote, and although Milton Friedman has had no apparent difficulty in remaining cheerful in his conversation with the public, the fundamental problems described by Hutt and Hayek remain highly pertinent to libertarian economists today Klein in aug 2000.end paragraph...Economists ought to think harder about the economics of Economics. Mmm,should reporters think harder about the reporting of reporting? Daniel B. Klein (dklein at scu.edu) is associate professor of economics at Santa Clara University. He is editor of What Do Economists Contribute?, recently published by New York University Press and the Cato Institute. From Economists' Misplaced Faith in an Invisible Hand (reporter declan keeps faith with own hand.) He has written for such "Everyman" policy organizations as Brookings, Cato, Reason, Institute of Economic Affairs, Independent Institute, and the Foundation for Economic Education. His email address is dklein at scu.edu.About Santa Clara Santa Clara University is a private, Jesuit university. Many valley residents will never forget the catastrophic flooding which ravaged parts of Santa Clara County during the El Nino storms of the early 1980s. The severity of the damage encouraged voters to pass a 1986 ballot measure creating a flood benefit assessment to fund an accelerated flood protection construction program. Since then the district has worked diligently toward achieving the maximum amount of flood protection for valley residents its budget would allow. The average homeowner in Santa Clara County is assessed between $17 and $59 a year, and the average business between $139 and $474 a year. In addition to those funds, during the past 20 years the water district has successfully pursued and secured more than $200 million in state and federal money for local flood protection efforts. As a result, flood protection projects have removed the danger of flooding from thousands of homes and businesses However, a revenue shortfall of nearly 40% remains an obstacle to full implementation of these crucial programs. The board is soliciting input from the public on support for future funding mechanisms to ensure seamless program implementation in 2001. Hopefully the next flood will take all jesuit academics,libertarians,anarcho-crapitalists and phoney reporters far,far out to shark infested and stormy seas. From ravage at ssz.com Fri Jan 4 05:28:52 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:28:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: Austin Cypherpunks - Physical Meet - Jan. 8, 2002 Message-ID: Time: Jan. 8, 2002 Second Tuesday of each month 7:00 - 9:00 pm (or later) Location: Central Market HEB Cafe 38th and N. Lamar Weather permitting we meet in the un-covered tables. If it's inclimate but not overly cold we meet in the outside covered section. Otherwise look for us inside the building proper. Identification: Look for the group with the "Applied Cryptography" book. It will have a red cover and is about 2 in. thick. Contact Info: http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr/index.html#austincpunks -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Fri Jan 4 00:16:35 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:16:35 +0100 (MET) Subject: IP: Fw: Drawing A Blank -- ACLU Report on the Failure of FaceRecognition in Tampa (fwd) Message-ID: -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:04:45 -0400 From: David Farber Reply-To: farber at cis.upenn.edu To: ip-sub-1 at majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: Fw: Drawing A Blank -- ACLU Report on the Failure of Face Recognition in Tampa -----Original Message----- From: Barry Steinhardt Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 15:27:36 To: Dave Farber Subject: Drawing A Blank -- ACLU Report on the Failure of Face Recognition in Tampa Dave, The use of the biometric facial recognition technology, along with video surveillance on the streets of Tampa, Florida is an overhyped failure that has been seemingly abandoned by police officials, according to a report released today by the American Civil Liberties Union. System logs obtained by the ACLU through Florida's open-records law show that the system never identified even a single individual contained in the department's database of photographs. And in response to the ACLU's queries about the small number of system logs, the department has acknowledged that the software -- originally deployed last June, 2001 -- has not been actively used since August. The report entitled "Drawing a Blank : The Failure of Face Recognition in Tampa", can be found at http://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy/drawing_blank.pdf. Our announcement can be found at http://www.aclu.org/news/2001/n010302a.html. Barry Steinhardt Sent from Dave's Blackberry. For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Fri Jan 4 07:19:52 2002 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:19:52 -0500 Subject: Snitches out themselves.Canarypunk stool pigeons,peter Trei a nd declan Mc Crapface. Message-ID: > mattd[SMTP:mattd at useoz.com] wrote: > Peter Trei's addy is ptrei at rsasecurity.com > Ill be researching this 'security company' Probably just an Idiot,like > declan, but could be dangerous. > Oh, this is rich! Someone claiming to be an informed poster to the cypherpunks list who doesn't know RSA Security Inc's status in the field. Just to help you, Matt, here's some sources: Website: www.rsasecurity.com Our conference (the world's major computer security conference): www.rsaconference.com Official company boilerplate: RSA Security Inc. (Nasdaq: RSAS), the most trusted name in e-security., helps organizations build secure, trusted foundations for e-business through its RSA SecurID. two-factor authentication, RSA ClearTrust. authorization, RSA BSAFE. encryption and RSA Keon. digital certificate management product families. With approximately one billion RSA BSAFE-enabled applications in use worldwide, more than ten million RSA SecurID authentication users and almost 20 years of industry experience, RSA Security has the proven leadership and innovative technology to address the changing security needs of e-business and bring trust to the online economy. RSA Security can be reached at http://www.rsasecurity.com You could also try reading Stephen Levy's book, 'Crypto', about half of which is company history. Peter Trei ============================================================================ ================ This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. 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In-Reply-To: ; from ptrei@rsasecurity.com on Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 10:19:52AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020104104307.A13654@cluebot.com> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 10:19:52AM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > > mattd[SMTP:mattd at useoz.com] wrote: > > Peter Trei's addy is ptrei at rsasecurity.com > > Ill be researching this 'security company' Probably just an Idiot,like > > declan, but could be dangerous. > > > Oh, this is rich! > > Someone claiming to be an informed poster to the > cypherpunks list who doesn't know RSA Security > Inc's status in the field. Actually, has mattd/proffr ever claimed to be an "informed poster?" :) At least, as I think you said yesterday, CJ had much more flair, and a better understanding of things cypherpunkly. Ah well. Procmail makes things much better. -Declan From faustine. at hushmail.com Fri Jan 4 11:01:02 2002 From: faustine. at hushmail.com (faustine. at hushmail.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:01:02 -0800 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index Message-ID: <200201041901.g04J12o72000@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 1774 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark at pti-inc.com Fri Jan 4 09:09:24 2002 From: mark at pti-inc.com (Mark Masters) Date: 04 Jan 02 11:09:24 -0600 Subject: Adv: Semiconductor Training Courseware Message-ID: <200201042013.PAA10942@demetrius.hosting.swbell.net> Greetings: PTI Seminars is presenting the following courses for semiconductor personnel.... For more details call 636-343-1333 and ask for Mark Masters. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 1586 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ravage at ssz.com Fri Jan 4 14:43:37 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:43:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: Hackers Targeting Home Computers (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:10:28 -0500 From: "R. A. Hettinga" To: Digital Bearer Settlement List , cryptography at wasabisystems.com, dcsb at ai.mit.edu Subject: Hackers Targeting Home Computers http://interactive.wsj.com/archive/retrieve.cgi?id=SB1010104082304162760.djm&template=printing.tmpl January 3, 2002 Tech Center Home Computers Are Becoming More Common Target for Hackers Associated Press WASHINGTON -- Computer hackers, once satisfied to test their skills on large companies, are turning their sights to home computers that are faster, more powerful and less secure than ever before. The hackers can steal your identity, destroy your data or use your computer to launch attacks on Web sites or your friends. "Home machines weren't very interesting targets a few years ago," said Mikko Hypponen of antivirus company F-Secure in Finland. "That's all changed now." Experts attribute the threat to several factors: * Many home computers are now as powerful as business computers, with enough memory and processing power to make them alluring staging areas for wide-scale Internet attacks that affect other computers. * A growing number are connected directly to the Internet through high-speed DSL and cable lines that remain open all the time. Computers that are left on around the clock are vulnerable. * Unlike businesses with permanent security staff, most home users are slow to secure their computers with the latest antivirus and firewall software and to plug security holes by downloading the necessary fixes from software makers such as Microsoft Corp. * Many home users are unaware of Internet threats and are too willing to click on unsolicited e-mails that might be infected with malicious programs. "Home users have generally been the least prepared to defend against attacks," Carnegie Mellon University's Computer Emergency Response Team Coordination Center warns. "In many cases, these machines are then used by intruders to launch attacks against other organizations." Internet analyst firm Jupiter Media Metrix estimated that 71.2 million American households had personal computers in 2001, almost three-quarters of the nation's households, and 61.2 million had Internet access. Viruses and worms -- which are viruses that don't need human intervention to multiply -- make up a large part of the new threats to home computers. In the past year, users' computers have been infected with malicious programs with catchy names like Code Red, Nimda, SirCam, Anna Kournikova and others that could be spread through e-mail or by surfing the Internet. Antivirus firm Message Labs reported that it detected one virus per 370 e-mails in 2001, double the rate of the previous year. The potential damage from hackers is also growing. Several years ago, virus writers were content to simply destroy data on a computer. Now they can imbed malicious programs that spy on users or steal their identity, use personal computers to attack other systems and use an e-mail address book to unwittingly infect the computers of people's correspondents. Even the most savvy users have been victimized. An FBI cybercrime researcher's computer infected with the SirCam program sent out official documents that spread the virus -- to the bureau's embarrassment. The federal government is trying to better educate and insulate home users, hoping it will slow the spread of Internet viruses or worms that could slow the entire Internet and its e-commerce. The outbreak of the Code Red Internet worm last summer sparked an unprecedented show of force from government and private industry. "We've never seen a virus before that would not affect end-user machines at all; it just jumped from one Web server to another," Mr. Hypponen said. "It really made Code Red more like a weapon than anything else." Although home computers were not affected, the message government and private security experts want home users to take from that threat is that computer maintenance needs to become as routine as locking your house and car. Home users need to routinely update their antivirus and Internet firewall software against the latest threats and check for software fixes that software makers provide for free. "If you've got a system out on the Net and it's not patched, there's a very high degree of likelihood that literally in a matter of hours you'll be popped," warned Amit Yoran of computer security firm Riptech. New technologies will be at risk to hacking this year, Mr. Yoran cautioned. Wireless networking, which is now so cheap and easy to use that consumer models are growing popular, is especially vulnerable. "The standard itself is insecure," Mr. Yoran said. In a large-scale test of urban wireless networks done by Riptech, experts couldn't find a corporate network they couldn't break into. "What we're faced with is widespread adoption [of wireless networks] throughout corporate America and throughout consumer markets and people haven't really thought through how to protect," he said. With more and faster computers on the horizon and no sign of hackers giving up their pursuits, home users will have to take security more seriously. "They think if they don't have any secrets, they aren't a target," Mr. Hypponen said. "But it's not like that at all." Copyright � 2002 Associated Press ------------------------------------------------------------------------ URL for this Article: http://interactive.wsj.com/archive/retrieve.cgi?id=SB1010104082304162760.djm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Copyright � 2002 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Printing, distribution, and use of this material is governed by your Subscription Agreement and copyright laws. For information about subscribing, go to http://wsj.com Close Window -- ----------------- R. A. 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Please find below a list of the requested addresses: Mr. Roc Arnett: rarnett at az-tsa.com Mr. John Benton: jbenton at az-tsa.com Mr. Jim Grogan: jgrogan at az-tsa.com Mr. C.A. Howlett: chowlett at az-tsa.com Ms. Valarie Miceli: vmiceli at az-tsa.com Mr. Herman Orcutt: horcutt at az-tsa.com Mr. William Peltier: wpeltier at az-tsa.com Mr. Rod Williams: rwilliams at az-tsa.com In addition to contacting Authority Board members via email, correspondence to Board members may, of course, be directed to the Board by mailing such correspondence to any or all Board members directly c/o the Tourism and Sports Authority, 14500 North Northsight Boulevard, Suite 312, Scottsdale, Arizona 85260. Also, phone messages for Board members may be left with Ms. Debbie Kivin, Authority Receptionist, at (480) 505-0533. Additionally, please be aware that the Authority, like most public entities, has a policy requiring those requesting public records to complete a Public Record Request Form prior to disclosure of the records. In the interest of expediency, I am forwarding the above records despite the lack of a completed Public Record Request Form. However, we would appreciate Mr. Ross completing this form and returning it to the Authority as soon as possible. A copy of the Public Record Request Form is available on the Authority's web site located at www.az-tsa.com. If you have any questions or comments regarding the foregoing, please contact me at your convenience. Sincerely, Christopher Skinner Associate Fennemore Craig, P.C. The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and confidential information, intended only for the us of the individual or entity named above. 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We await the Al Qaeda Video Sim/Training Series... http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAD0PHC2WC.html http://www.starnews.com/article.php?legalfees04.html,news Man Accused of Running Terrorist-Training Internet Site Pleads Innocent The Associated Press Published: Jan 4, 2002 LONDON (AP) - A man accused of offering terrorist training over the Internet in the "Islamic art of war" pleaded innocent Friday to weapons charges. During a hearing at London's Bow Street Magistrates' Court, Sulayman Balal Zainulabidin denied charges of inviting others to train in firearms or explosives and of possessing a rifle without a certificate. Prosecutors said Zainulabidin, a 43-year-old kitchen worker from south London, was the founder and chief instructor of a group offering young Muslims training in martial arts, weapons and "the Islamic art of war." Video game judgment to cost city Indianapolis is ordered to pay $318,000 in legal fees industry spent fighting local law on violent games. By Maureen Groppe mgroppe at gns.gannett.com January 04, 2002 WASHINGTON -- Indianapolis' failed attempt to be the first U.S. city to keep minors from playing violent video games in public arcades is costing taxpayers more than anticipated. In a consent judgment approved this week by U.S. District Judge David F. Hamilton, Indianapolis has agreed to pay the video game industry $318,000 for lawyers' fees and other costs. The heads of the industry groups that successfully challenged the law's constitutionality said they have been "totally vindicated" and hope the penalty will discourage other governments from trying to enact similar bans. "To recover more than $300,000 in legal fees from the city is the icing on the case, especially since the city threatened that we would not only lose, but also pay its legal fees," said Jack Kelleher, executive director of the Amusement and Music Operators Association. From steve at sendon.net Fri Jan 4 10:04:37 2002 From: steve at sendon.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:04:37 +0000 Subject: Lexipunks References: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105004306.00abcae0@pop.useoz.com> Message-ID: <200201042042.UAA04784@divert.sendon.net> Quoting mattd (mattd at useoz.com): > >>Closest in meaning in CP; abstracted from 4 a to mean a rebellious person > > Camus' lexicon define "revolt" as a peaceful, evolutionary process. He had > hoped that mankind would evolve toward improved societies. In his ideal, > socialism is the result of a natural historical process that does require > effort and leadership, but not violence. Shit. And I thought that a revolt was really just a negative coulomb. Regards, Steve -- Witness those little white men practising their alibis. -- Dean Russell From tcmay at got.net Fri Jan 4 18:33:30 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:33:30 -0800 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index (or: mindless OT bickering) In-Reply-To: <200201050014.g050EVp91804@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <9B3CA4C0-0184-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Friday, January 4, 2002, at 04:14 PM, faustine. at hushmail.com wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Tim wrote: > >> You're a waste of electrons here. Even Agent Farr was more on-topic. Is >> this some kind of ersatz chick thing? > > Posting about guns and survivalism is a chick thing? Sure, whatever you > say. > You conveniently edited my post to leave out what I was commenting on: your psychobabble about the MMPI and how to present oneself as a suitably servile sheeple. I didn't take issue with your posts about guns, did I? I've yet to see you add anything to the discussion about ostensibly list-related topics. While all of us post off-topic things at times, you are almost completely off-topic. Something I suggested to you last spring bears repeating: read up on some of the basics. Your stories about living as a homeless person but now being paid to surf the Net (you say) may be fodder for Oprah's Online Chat Room ("You go, girl!"), but this is not that forum. --Tim May "The great object is that every man be armed and everyone who is able may have a gun." --Patrick Henry "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 3 23:38:36 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:38:36 +1100 Subject: Future Gnu's, Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020104182156.00ab4eb0@pop.useoz.com> >>Spare your breath. The only way to shut up someone with a mental condition is to kick him off the list, to leave the list, or use filtering. << See the mattblog that ate cypherpunks. >>nut who takes up 30% > of the list volume with plaigerized articles from other, much > more creative and intelligent nuts. << You no likee,you no readee. See the mattblog that ate cypherpunks. >>The uncredited posting of someone else's work, well, that's a big problem unless it isn't someone else's work. Mike I was channelling a suppressed comrade,you want me to dob him in? See the mattblog that ate cypherpunks. >>entirely closed to rational argumentation<< TCM is,soightonly.Doesn't like debate one little bit. >>Overpermissiveness results in quality loss. << Sad,very sad.All those porno posts and blatant coatdragging by boring feds.( See the mattblog that ate cypherpunks.) >>Can't we just kick him: period? << weasl Run out of zyklon B? "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -- Nietzsche From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 3 23:50:38 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:50:38 +1100 Subject: Snitches out themselves.Canarypunk stool pigeons,peter Trei and declan Mc Crapface. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020104184153.00ab32c0@pop.useoz.com> >>Subject: FC: Politech humor: Future airline security news from 2002 Warning: off-color humor below. The author of this message (who knows how many people actually have access to a yahoo/hotmail account) appears to be C.J. Parker, a colorful fellow: http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=sonofgomez709 --- From: "sonofgomez709" To: "C J Parker" Subject: Future gNus Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:47:08 -0800<< AND >>This, of course, is CJ Parker's work, as published on Declan's Politech list. Peter Trei > ---------- > From: mattd[SMTP:mattd at useoz.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:47 AM > To: cypherpunks at lne.com > Subject: Future Gnu's > > Birthdays;Mel gibson,robert loggia and dabney coleman.Future Gnu's > February 4, 2002 > > An 86 year-old Amish woman on a Florida to Ohio flight detonates a bomb > in pants disguised as battery operated light-up "Viva Las Vegas!" > panties. Looks like seth,jya and I are correct to be concerned about declan.Peter Trei's addy is ptrei at rsasecurity.com Ill be researching this 'security company' Probably just an Idiot,like declan, but could be dangerous. From snail at aztec.asu.edu Fri Jan 4 17:57:38 2002 From: snail at aztec.asu.edu (MIKE ROSS) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:57:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: email addresses of TSA board members - please distribute to everyone Message-ID: As a tax hating Arizonan i figured I would like to e-mail the TSA (Tourism Stadium Authority) board members and tell them I think the new stadium for Bill Bidwell and his stinking football team should be built in St Louis, Mo using whatever tax dollars the citizens of St Louis feel free to spend on it. certainly not in Phoenix or Tempe where the Arizona government goons want to build it using MY tax dollars. So I emailed Kim Monroe kmonroe at az-tsa.com at the TSA and asked her for the email addresses of the TSA board members. She came back and said the email addresses were secret and I couldn't have them. I asked John Wilde for some legal advice on the matter and he told me to get the information requesting them as public records per A.R.S. Section 39-121 I wrote the TSA back and demanded for them to give me the information under the public records laws of A.R.S. 39-121 and told them I would sue if they didn't give it to me. I also emailed a press release to about 1500 Arizona media outlets asking if they could write a story about how the TSA is refusing to give out public information. Last I sent a press release out to all of the Arizona state senators and house members, and most elected city and county officials in Maricopa county complaining that the TSA was refusing to give out public information and asking for their help. looks like something i did worked. i got this email today listing the email addresses of the TSA board members. I think it's from the law firm that represents the TSA. Please give it out to as many libertarians and tax haters as you can so other people can tell the TSA board members what they think about Bill Bidwells stadium. mike ------------------------------------------------------ From unicorn at schloss.li Fri Jan 4 16:59:17 2002 From: unicorn at schloss.li (Black Unicorn) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:59:17 -0600 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index (or: mindless OT bickering) In-Reply-To: <200201050014.g050EVp91804@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cypherpunks at lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks at lne.com]On > Behalf Of faustine. at hushmail.com > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:15 PM > To: cypherpunks at lne.com > Subject: Re: Faustine's paranoia index (or: mindless OT bickering) > > You should be glad I've managed to avoid polluting the forum by > wasting breath responding to most of the gradeschool taunts/death > threats losers seem to get off on directing my way these days. Hey! I only asked you to dinner. From jya at pipeline.com Fri Jan 4 19:36:49 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 19:36:49 -0800 Subject: Ersatz Chick Thing In-Reply-To: <200201050014.g050EVp91804@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> Message-ID: What is pleasurable to us unimaginatives trapped east of the limits of decency is getting hands on ersatz chick things, and the other marvelous west coast entertainments gone stale years ago. We get ersatz ersatz chick things by the planeloads but not the real patooty grown in backyard agriponte sheds all along the Pacific Coast. Coming back from the Bell trial in April my chick thing and I ran across a museum of old time ersatz chick things, ersatz of the ersatz era long generated by Hollywood, and was told there used to be a major grower of nubile young ersatz, film star forever virgins, in the region but now all you could get were the pitiful fake ersatz chicks on the corporate campuses, bisexuals, polysexuals, polymorphous sexuals, kaliedescopic deviants, tree humpers, auto fetishists, vulture capital putas, animal rights for horrific practices, and the perdurable ersatz coprophiliacs all across the ersatz golden west, the last dregs of ersatz America where men used to be men in military and western gun-shooting drag and women were indescribable if not innocent whores like momma and baby sister. Somewhere western novels took over western imagination and horses asses became ersatz heroes unable to appreciate the real chick thing so obessesed were they at dreaming of being motherfucked. From measl at mfn.org Fri Jan 4 18:32:47 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:32:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: Snitches out themselves.Canarypunk stool pigeons,peter Trei a nd declan Mc Crapface. In-Reply-To: <20020104104307.A13654@cluebot.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Actually, has mattd/proffr ever claimed to be an "informed poster?" :) No. He's a _deformed_ poster. This guy is a living breathing poster for euthanasia. > At least, as I think you said yesterday, CJ had much more flair, > and a better understanding of things cypherpunkly. Besides, CJ is *cool*! > Ah well. Procmail > makes things much better. It has for me. > -Declan -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 02:14:39 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:14:39 +1100 Subject: Cypherpunk Ban Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020104210421.00a28850@pop.useoz.com> >>As to the space cadet idea that space should be bought in newspapers so that CJ or Toto or Jimbell or Choate or Vulis or Detweiler or mattd or any of our other mental cases, knock yourself out. I wouldn't contribute a microcent. --Tim May Is it just me or does this sentence scan wrong? Lacks Irony at the very least.Id say he's rattled,theres blood in the water,its just a question of time.I think the idea was for an alternative style paper like the "stranger"might provide free space as a way to defy the blatent repression thats happening in your fascist snakes of Amerikkka.This involves concepts of solidarity that seem alien to crypto-fascist weasel May.Save your microbrain,your micromoney and your microballs,May.No one wants em. "You could create a lottery. A lottery whose payoff was a reward to the person who came closest to predicting the time of death of a given government official. "They knew I wasn't planning to kill federal agents", Bell said this month. "They were scared because I had written something that shows a way to eliminate government. They were afraid I could convince the public that I could replace existing government for no more than a 10th or 20th of its current cost." "Imagine for a moment that, as ordinary citizens were watching the evening news, they see an act by a government employee or officeholder that they feel violates their rights, abuses the public's trust or misuses the powers that they feel should be limited. What if they could go to their computers, type in the miscreant's name, and select a dollar amount. If 0.1 percent of the population, or one person in a thousand, was willing to pay $1 to see some government slimeball dead, that would be in effect, a $250,000 bounty on his head." I think that one last (temporary) hope for government is to delay AP. Chances are good that the "think tank" decided that the best way to delay AP is to discredit me, its author. It was a desperate gamble," From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 02:29:28 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:29:28 +1100 Subject: Ukrainian ballast Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020104212245.00a28260@pop.useoz.com> Union denies ship sabotage From AAP 04jan02 THE seafarers' union has denied sabotage aboard a ship at the centre of a row over plans to replace its Australian crew with cheaper labour from Ukraine. Federal police are expected to meet representatives of the Australian-registered 30,000-tonne bulk carrier, CSL Yarra, when it docks in Adelaide on Sunday to investigate allegations of sabotage. The Yarra's captain said someone had opened a fire hose that pumped water into the ship's residual cargo hold containing 700 tonnes of cement which had set hard. The ship is at the centre of a Federal Court battle between CSL Australia and the Maritime Union of Australia (MUA) over plans to replace the local crew with Ukrainian sailors. The Yarra left Brisbane three days ago and was sailing off the NSW south coast en route to Adelaide at the time of the incident. MUA South Australian branch secretary Rick Newland said the culprit was a leaky fire hydrant and not sabotage. "I dispute the use of that word simply because we're about saving that vessel and maintaining it to work on the Australian coast carrying Australian cargoes with Australian seafarers," he told ABC radio today. "To the cynical it would look at though there was something quite deliberate that happened. "I believe there will be an inquiry simply into the mechanical faults of that fire hydrant, on arrival in Adelaide, and we welcome that outcome." He said sabotage at sea was outside seafarers' view of life. Mr Newlan said the union was legitimately seeking to protect employment opportunities for Australian seafarers on Australian vessels. "We're not promoting the Australian coast to be open to Third World seafarers who are certainly not up to the skills." Open end the star system!, December 27, 2001 (from Amazon... >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0900384409/qid=1010135372/ sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_8_2/102-1712066-7776933< Reviewer: professor rat (see more about me) Like the Abel Paz classic,"Durrutti,The people armed."This is one essential book.Second only to Durrutti in time.The place for the drama is the Ukraine,circa,1917-20.The history of the Makhnovista's is truly epic,gut wrenching and incredible.It is almost totally forgotten or ignored now,yet,this is one of those points in History with a capital H.The ripples of these extraordinary events and superhuman feats are still rippling outward in spite of several genocides wreaked on this reigon.The writers style seems a little old fashioned and unusual,yet, you get drawn in by the human interest story of the education and stellar rise of a genuine working class hero and revolutionary Icon,"Batko",Nestor Makhno met the author in prison and learnt the basics of anarchism from him.They were released in the febuary revolution and their battles in the south against tyranny's of white and red armies have become the stuff of legend.The study of what ordinary people actually do in revolutionary periods is intrinsically interesting.I would suggest that close study of the makhnovist libertarian socialist revolution should be rewarding,if only for entertainment.(Its 70mm cinematic.) From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 02:51:18 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:51:18 +1100 Subject: Tim May; Tomato can. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020104214652.00a290b0@pop.useoz.com> A black and white history of the heavyweight division Tuesday May 23, 2000 When John L Sullivan toured America a hundred years ago and more he would offer a thousand dollars to any man who could last four rounds with him - as long as he wasn't black. In his bareknuckled and gloved career, the world's first heavyweight champion fought only men of his own colour, and not many complained. Another Irish-American, James J Corbett, who followed him, was similarly reluctant. So when Jack Johnson became the first black heavyweight champion - by brutalising Tommy Burns for 14 rounds in Sydney in 1908 - he turned the sporting world on its head. Jack came to London the following July, performing on the bass viol and singing Baby's Sock is a Blue-bag Now for a white audience at the Oxford Music Hall. The Times noted that in the United States Johnson 'passed for a "flash nigger", a type not to be encouraged by those who have to keep ten millions of black men in subjection to the dominant race.' The Home Secretary sent him home, scotching a challenge by 'Bombardier' Billy Wells. After Jess Willard beat Johnson in Havana in 1915, Tex Rickard made a pile with Jack Dempsey in the Twenties. Each of five fights Tex organised drew more than a million dollars at the gate - but Dempsey too refused to defend his title against black challengers. It was left to Joe Louis in the Thirties to answer back, ever so quietly. 'Uncle' Mike Jacobs, heir to Rickard's baloney, promoted Louis and told him to keep his mouth shut. White America remained unthreatened by the polite but lethal Joe. By the time Rocky Marciano arrived in the Fifties, the Mob had really moved in and boxing went off-white again. Marciano, a terrific champion, did not dodge black contenders - he took the title from Jersey Joe Walcott in 1952 and beat Ezzard Charles and old Archie Moore - but he let in some ordinary white guys, including Roland LaStarza and Don Cockell. Floyd Paterson settled in for an undistinguished reign, before Sonny Liston frightened him out of the title. A few white heavyweights popped up - and down - around this time, none of them much good: Peter Rademacher, a first-fight world title challenger to Floyd; Ingemar Johannson, who won once and lost twice to Paterson; Brian London and Tom McNeeley, father of the even more awful Pete, who would be barged aside by Mike Tyson. After Muhammad Ali beat Liston to reinvigorate boxing, he accommodated his share of pale meat: George Chuvalo, Henry Cooper, London, Karl Mildenberger, Chuck Wepner, Joe Bugner, Jean-Pierre Coopman, Richard Dunn, Alfredo Evangelista, Oscar Bonavena, Jerry Quarry... with a few exceptions, not a galaxy of talent. Quarry, Joe Frazier, George Foreman gave poor Joe Roman his few moments in the headlights, Osvaldo Ocasio went in with Larry Holmes, John Tate beat Gerrie Coetzee, Holmes got back to Scott Le Doux, Mike Weaver stopped Coetzee, Gerry Cooney and Randall Cobb were brave against Holmes... and so it went. If you were white and breathing, with the right telephone numbers, you got a shot. But the white supply was drying up fast and the meaningful fights were confined to the black contenders after the Holmes era. Between the time Greg Page stopped Coetzee in Sun City in 1984 in defence of the WBA version and Francesco Damiani beat Johnny Duplooy in an all-whiter for the WBO title five years later, only Steffen Tangstad disturbed the ebony hegemony. The spectacularly obscure Daniel Netto went a couple of rounds with Damiani in Italy in December 1989 and then Tommy Morrison stumbled on to and off the set. A couple of South Africans, Frans Botha and Corrie Sanders, are currently pressing their claims - as, of course, are the Klitschkos. From jya at pipeline.com Fri Jan 4 22:52:31 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 22:52:31 -0800 Subject: Cpunks Lauded Message-ID: A local NYC TV show, The Digital Age, today had David Kahn and Steve Levy discussing crypto, bin Laden and 911 with the show's host, James Goodale, former vice-chairman of the New York Times. The topic was what role encryption may have played in 911. Steve was persuasive in noting that crypto should not be singled out as a lethal technology for terrorism any more than other technology that could be put to malign uses. Cypherpunks got a plug from Steve for making encryption "hip." Though Goodale attempted to get Steve to agree that it was not a good thing for crypto to be liberated from government control, Steve wouldn't buy that, and he credited cypherpunks with a principal role in popularizing and spreading the technology, along with Phil Zimmermann's PGP effort. David Kahn agreed with Steve that there was nothing that could be done about loss of government control of encryption, the technology was out there for all to use for good or bad purposes. David reaffirmed his belief that key escrow would have been best for the country's security, but now it was no longer possible. (We heard David state that a few years back at a crypto conference in NYC.) David was emphatic that public key cryptography is the single most important invention in the entire history of cryptography. Diffie and Hellman were cited, but not the British predecessors. From tcmay at got.net Fri Jan 4 22:56:04 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:56:04 -0800 Subject: Cpunks Lauded In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <495CC972-01A9-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Friday, January 4, 2002, at 10:52 PM, John Young wrote: > A local NYC TV show, The Digital Age, today had David > Kahn and Steve Levy discussing crypto, bin Laden and > 911 with the show's host, James Goodale, former > vice-chairman of the New York Times. > ... > > David reaffirmed his belief that key escrow would have > been best for the country's security, but now it was no > longer possible. (We heard David state that a few years > back at a crypto conference in NYC.) It's useful to look at the subtext here: the Clipper debate of 1994 was about a particular type of secure phone, the AT&T/Mykotronx Clipper-enabled phone. It was not mandated to replace other systems owned by civilians. (Yes, a lot of us saw the ruse: phase in Clipper and then, down the road, outlaw non-escrowed systems. This is why I call Kahn's comments the "subtext.") Me, I have no problem with people buying key escrow systems. But if they hold a gun to my head and say that I cannot write or speak in the language of my choosing, that I cannot whisper to others, that I must make my conversations "understandable" to wiretappers, then they have earned killing. "Let me understand this...you have come to my house to tell me that I am a criminal facing 20-to-life if I continue to write in my journal in a language you have no key to decipher?" Much is being made of the "new bluntness" in Washington: "Wanted, dead or alive." "We want Osama dead." The same applies to statists: fuck with constitutional rights and you face killing. Singly or en masse. Execution of entire buildings is sometimes justified. Washington, D.C. is long overdue for "termination with extreme prejudice." (Those who are not criminals have had many years to realize this and to get the hell out of Dodge.) The new bluntness. > > David was emphatic that public key cryptography is the > single most important invention in the entire history of > cryptography. Diffie and Hellman were cited, but not > the British predecessors. Their "predecessors" were only predecessors in time, not in intellectual influence or in any causal sense. And their "predecessors" did not contribute the rich set of contributions that Diffie, Hellman, Merkle, Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman have contributed. In fact, we don't even fully know if these "predecessors" fully realized what they had (allegedly) discovered. Further, given that they were not participating in the larger world in the way that Diffie et. al. were, we don't even know where they got their ideas...perhaps from "predecessors of the predecessors." Those who toiled in secrecy have earned the fame that they will never have. --Tim May "The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant." --John Stuart Mill From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 04:27:57 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:27:57 +1100 Subject: Dont go simple on me. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020104232709.00aab890@pop.useoz.com> Blood Simple (1984) To mark the re-release of their seminal debut feature Blood Simple, fraternal filmmakers Ethan and Joel Coen created a brief, jokey prologue starring one Mortimer Young, a fictional film preservationist who heralds the second coming of their "exquisite masterpiece." Mr. Young may be laying it on a bit thick there, but he's not far from the truth, especially when he credits the film with "ushering in the era of independent cinema." In the 16 years since its original release, this shady little neo-noir number has been dog-eared as a primogenitor of the modern indie film. Taut, quirky, and jump-out-of-your-seat scary, Blood Simple is returning to theaters in a new director's cut  "digitally enhanced and tastefully restored," says our host  and it's well worth the second look. Texan bar proprietor Julian Marty (Dan Hedaya) believes that his wife, Abby (the excellent Frances McDormand, aka Mrs. Joel Coen), is canoodling with another man, so he hires private detective Loren Visser (M. Emmet Walsh in an wicked, prize-winning turn) to investigate and deliver evidence of her betrayal. So, Visser follows Abby and her secret consort, Marty's bartender Ray (John Getz), to a roadside motel and  bingo  snaps a few photos of the pair in flagrante delicto. When Visser confirms Marty's suspicions, the humiliated husband crumples, instantly demoted on the macho-meter from cocky bull to cuckolded steer  all hat and no cattle, as it were. Marty fixes his focus on the repulsive Visser, a man upon whom flies instinctively come to settle, and wonders out loud if he shouldn't kill this unsavory messenger to bolster his sagging ego, or enlist him for a far more gruesome task than the first. Meanwhile, Abby takes up with Ray, a quiet sort, but one willing to go to unspeakable lengths to win her. Abby has a gun, she tells Ray, that Marty gave her, and now she's leaving "anal," gruff Marty before she snaps and points it at him. It would spoil the spring-coiled surprises and plot twists to detail too much more of the story, but let's just say that Abby's gun is the fatal link that connects all the characters. By the end, each of them just might end up on the wrong side of that little pearl-handled pistol . So why the re-release? For one, video certainly didn't do this film justice. The hazy transfer and changes from the original soundtrack (including one regrettable and repetitive country rendition of The Monkees' "I'm a Believer") date the VHS version above and beyond McDormand's banana clips and denim jumpsuits (both of which are in no way limited to '80s fashion in Texas). In the restoration process, the Coens said they went "back to the original camera negative to generate new printing elements," and clipped "some of the boring parts." The editing is tighter, the sound effects clearer, and Barry Sonnenfeld's skilled cinematography more discernible. These enhancements bring the audience closer to the characters on-screen, allowing the viewer to be startled by raspy breathing and buzzing neon, dreading the approach of a dragging shovel, and stunned by the sudden punch of bullets through drywall, as light cuts through in sharp rays. Simply put, Blood Simple becomes more bloodcurdlingly suspenseful in direct proportion to the size of the screen. It's a forceful and significant debut, well-deserving of its ranking as a classic, and it has aged well, thanks largely to the calibrated, attuned performances of the entire cast. The title refers to the delirious mental state that accompanies a killing  half shocked, half hopped-up on adrenaline and base instinct  and Marty, Abby, Visser, and Ray all taste it at some point in this precarious cat-and-mouse hunt. It's what a haggard Ray feels as he advises Abby, "If you're going to point a gun at someone, you'd better be ready to shoot it, and if you do, you'd better make sure he's dead."  KASIA ANDERSON From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 04:57:20 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:57:20 +1100 Subject: Fit to be executed Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020104235546.00aab480@pop.useoz.com> BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) - A former Ku Klux Klansman who state psychologists testified was faking mental problems has been ruled competent to stand trial for the murder of four black girls killed in a 1963 church bombing. Circuit Judge James Garrett handed down the decision Thursday, reversing his own ruling last year that Bobby Frank Cherry was mentally incompetent. In a two-sentence order, Garrett said the retired trucker "has been restored to competency." The judge, without any detailed explanation, said his finding was based on legal briefs and on a recent hearing, at which psychologists testified about Cherry's mental condition. Garrett scheduled a Jan. 18 proceeding to set a trial date. Sarah Collins Rudolph, who was standing a short distance from one of the victims when the blast occurred, said she was pleased Cherry is going to trial. "It's his time to stand trial now," she said. "I hope it's finally coming to an end." Cherry's attorneys, Mickey Johnson and Rodger Bass, did not immediately return phone messages seeking comment. "We believed all along that he was competent," said Doug Jones, a former U.S. attorney who has served as chief prosecutor in the case. "We believe that ruling was the only ruling (the judge) could make under the law." The church, a rallying site for advocates of public school desegregation, was bombed on Sept. 15, 1963, as the four girls prepared for a youth day service. The explosion was the deadliest attack targeting the civil rights movement. Killed in the attack were 14-year-olds Addie Mae Collins, Cynthia Wesley and Carole Robertson and 11-year-old Denise McNair. Two other former Klansmen were convicted of murder in the blast, one last year and one in 1977. Cherry was one of a group of Klansmen who came under almost immediate suspicion. He left Alabama several years after the bombing and moved to Texas, where he worked as a truck driver and cleaned carpets before retiring in the town of Mabank. Cherry was indicted on murder charges in 1999. Garrett delayed Cherry's trial because of competency questions. Garrett ruled in April that Cherry, whose age is listed as both 71 and 72 in court records, was incompetent based on testimony of four mental health experts. They said he suffered varying degrees of vascular dementia, which can cause forgetfulness and confusion. Prosecutors appealed and Garrett committed Cherry to a state-run psychiatric hospital to be evaluated for 71 days. Psychologists testified during a two-day hearing last month that Cherry was faking mental problems and possibly taking too much of a medicine prescribed for anxiety. The Rev. Abraham Woods, who led demonstrations against Garrett's original ruling, said he thought Cherry misled attorneys from the beginning. "Cherry was faking, and after he spent 71 days and nights at Taylor Hardin (psychiatric hospital), those professionals affirmed he was faking," he said. Another ex-Klansman, Robert "Dynamite Bob" Chambliss, was convicted of murder in the bombing in 1977 and died in prison. Thomas Blanton Jr. was convicted in the bombing last year and sentenced to life in prison, and a fourth suspect, Herman Cash, died in 1994 without being charged. Blanton, who continues to maintain his innocence, is appealing his conviction. From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 05:05:19 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 00:05:19 +1100 Subject: Language is a virus. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105000200.00aab200@pop.useoz.com> Common terms used in computer security: -Virus: A program that replicates itself across a network, or the Internet as a whole. The virus payload may be destructive, like deleting files, or it could simply try to overwhelm a network by copying itself. -Worm: A virus that replicates itself without human intervention. If the victim has to open an e-mail attachment to get infected, it's a virus. But if it scans for new victims and attacks by itself, it's a worm. -Trojan horse: A program that doesn't necessarily replicate itself, but like the legendary wooden horse is much more than it appears. A Trojan horse program might look like a game, but instead it steals your personal information and sends it to a criminal. -Password sniffer: A file that seeks out passwords on your computer, then sends them to a hacker. A keylogger can also grab anything typed on the keyboard. -Blended threat: A program that combines the characteristics of viruses, worms and Trojan horses. A blended threat, like the recent Nimda outbreak, is a recent phenomenon. -Exploit: A program that takes advantage of a security hole in a computer program, like Microsoft Windows or AOL Instant Messenger. -Spyware: A general term for a program that surreptitiously monitors your actions. While they are sometimes sinister, like a remote control program used by a hacker, software companies have been known to use spyware to gather data about customers. The practice is generally frowned upon. These are all good as long as they have Federal Bureau of Investigation approval like the magic lantern. From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 05:45:43 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 00:45:43 +1100 Subject: Lexipunks Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105004306.00abcae0@pop.useoz.com> >>Closest in meaning in CP; abstracted from 4 a to mean a rebellious person Camus' lexicon define "revolt" as a peaceful, evolutionary process. He had hoped that mankind would evolve toward improved societies. In his ideal, socialism is the result of a natural historical process that does require effort and leadership, but not violence. "Remarque sur la rivolt" begins with a civil servant refusing an order. For Camus, revolt begins with a single person refusing an immoral choice. Laws and rule are not defensible for Camus unless they are meant to help society at all levels. The civil servant in the opening parable is an existential hero, though Camus would have rejected such a label. The bureaucrat makes a decision based not upon what is easiest for him but what is best for him and society as a whole. This man's revolt is resistance, not violence. Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel's works are the primary target of The Rebel. While not a perfect treatment of Hegel, Camus argues that Hegel's works glorified the state and power over personal morality and social ethics. Worse, according to Camus, Marxism co-opts Hegel and extends his theories to allow any means to an end. In Marxism, as embodied by the Soviet Union and its Communist Party, the state is always "right." Humanism and equality were important to Camus, not an artificial organization. Camus further offended some leftists by opposing what he considered a trend toward nihilism in European thought. Life was "meaningless" for Camus, but each person did have the opportunity to define a role for himself or herself in life. Nihilism rendered living pointless, which Camus could not accept. Mankind, by its very existence, was in the unique position of defining itself through choice. Attacking Hegel, Marxism and nihilism resulted in a resounding rejection by the left. Leftist critics hated The Rebel and described it as an act of intellectual treason. The May 1952 issue of Les Temps Modernes featured a review of The Rebel by Francis Jeanson. The review affected Camus deeply. Camus found himself described as a traitor to the left From anonymous at remailer.havenco.com Fri Jan 4 18:30:34 2002 From: anonymous at remailer.havenco.com (Anonymous User) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 02:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Faustine's paranoia index (or: mindless OT bickering) Message-ID: At 04:14 PM 1/4/02 -0800, faustine. at hushmail.com wrote: >You should be glad I've managed to avoid polluting the forum by wasting breath >responding to most of the gradeschool taunts/death threats losers seem to get >off on directing my way these days. Please, do post, with full headers, dearie. We're curious about the level of creativity of FBI agents. >~ Agent Faustine. From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 09:17:17 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 04:17:17 +1100 Subject: Snitches out themselves.Canarypunk stool pigeons,peter Trei and declan Mc Crapface. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105041027.00a2feb0@pop.useoz.com> >>Oh, this is rich! Someone claiming to be an informed poster to the cypherpunks list who doesn't know RSA Security Inc's status in the field. Just to help you, Matt, here's some sources: Website: www.rsasecurity.com Our conference (the world's major computer security conference): www.rsaconference.com Official company boilerplate: RSA Security Inc. (Nasdaq: RSAS), the most trusted name in e-security., helps organizations build secure, trusted foundations for e-business through its RSA SecurID. two-factor authentication, RSA ClearTrust. authorization, RSA BSAFE. encryption and RSA Keon. digital certificate management product families. With approximately one billion RSA BSAFE-enabled applications in use worldwide, more than ten million RSA SecurID authentication users and almost 20 years of industry experience, RSA Security has the proven leadership and innovative technology to address the changing security needs of e-business and bring trust to the online economy. RSA Security can be reached at http://www.rsasecurity.com You could also try reading Stephen Levy's book, 'Crypto', about half of which is company history. Peter Trei << Thanks dumbo for saving me the work and proving that companies will not survive the state very long when crypto-anarchy comes.I never claimed to be an *informed poster* btw, just an anarchist with an interest in crypto.I quoted RSA math in a recent post to so your wrong there as well.With all this chest thumping and loud farting,I notice you dont deny being a low snitch who deserves necklacing. From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 09:34:32 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 04:34:32 +1100 Subject: Snitches out themselves.Canarypunk stool pigeons,peter Trei a nd declan Mc Crapface. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105041811.00a2fc30@pop.useoz.com> >>Actually, has mattd/proffr ever claimed to be an "informed poster?" :) << Nothing gets by you,eh dec? Except maybe that a week or so ago CJ got violently rousted by P.I.Gs after alleged posts by him. >>At least, as I think you said yesterday, CJ had much more flair, and a better understanding of things cypherpunkly. Ah well. Another admission to the subject line by non denial.What a gutless coward you are Declan.You richly deserve a fuel injected firestone necklace.Cypherpunks should certainly have a better understanding of the stoolies here. >> Procmail makes things much better. -Declan << Beats debate on the meaning of anarchy,punk,revolution,solidarity and repression.Your desire to do an ostrich impression is understandable,just don't be surprised to feel a steel capped boot up your ass soon,real soon. From mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu Fri Jan 4 21:00:02 2002 From: mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu (lcs Mixmaster Remailer) Date: 5 Jan 2002 05:00:02 -0000 Subject: attacking *small* biz is low hanging fruit Message-ID: <20020105050002.29887.qmail@nym.alias.net> JC forwarded: >* Unlike businesses with permanent security staff, most home users are >slow to secure their computers with the latest antivirus and firewall >software and to plug security holes by downloading the necessary fixes from >software makers such as Microsoft Corp. That should be qualified, you know: *small* businesses do not have security staff, nor particularly qualified network admins. When sharesniffing around, I found the 8 to 256 size netblock to be the most profitable; larger netblocks implied more clueful admins. Pax From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 10:05:49 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 05:05:49 +1100 Subject: RSA Hirstory lesson and a question for low dog,Peter Trei. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105050143.00a25cb0@pop.useoz.com> >>Jim Bidzos of RSA, obviously not a disinterested source, claims that not only Zimmermann, but anyone using PGP, is at risk. He scoffs at Zimmermann's efforts to stay within the letter of the law, charging that the use of PGP is "an illegal activity that violates patent and export law." Bidzos has written to institutions like Stanford and MIT, informing them that any copies of PGP on their computers would put them on the wrong side of the law, and he says that the universities have subsequently banned PGP.)<< From Wired article on crypto-rebels.(Cypherpunk cover issue) Jim a friend of yours Peter? "Direct action_ is what it's all about. Undermining the state through the spread of espionage networks, through undermining faith in the tax system, through even more direct applications of the right tools at the right times. When Cypherpunks are called "terrorists," we will have done our jobs. Font: Daschle-Anthrax-Bold " From jya at pipeline.com Sat Jan 5 07:58:55 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 07:58:55 -0800 Subject: Cpunks Lauded In-Reply-To: <495CC972-01A9-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> References: Message-ID: After Levy explained the role of non-gov cryptographers in freeing cypto from government control, with a mention of cypherpunks, the host, Goodale, pressed Kahn and Levy to agree that "punks" and "nerds" should be held accountable for the likely damage to national security that followed. Goodale said punks and nerds with disparagement, as if speaking of anti-socials. He appeared to be expressing a view not his alone but one discussed in the clubs of centralized power. Neither Levy nor Kahn agreed with that view. Levy in particular defended the liberation of crypto with conviction such that Goodale backed off, saying he only meant to state the accusation strongly to get a good response. Again, Goodale seemed to be following an agenda for assigning blame for 911 to crypto availability. Neither Levy nor Kahn cited that investigators have found no use of crypto by the 911 attackers. Levy made the points that nobody knows for sure whether crypto is in use by terroritsts but that it most likely is; that bin Laden would never use an escrow-compromised program; that nobody knows what NSA can crack; that the weakness of crypto is in the implementation not the mathematics; that traffic analysis was used to trace terrorist activities in the embassy bombing investigation. Kahn concurred with these points. It is worth bearing in mind that there continues to be an attempt to demonize crypto by way of 911, that punks and nerds are likely targets, that there may be re-institution of crypto control measures, despite Levy and Kahn disagreeing with that view. This crypto demonization may well intensify as investigations proceed into the government, military and intelligence failure to prevent 911. Whether crypto actually played any role in the attack may be seen as unimportant so long as a convincing story can be promoted that it must have been. ----- On the British predecessors: it remains to be seen how much of their work was leaked to Diffie. We've got an FOIA request into NSA on this topic, now two years old, and have been told by NSA that it has material from the date of the British invention. No work on when or what will be released. Tim is right that Diffie, Hellman, all the PK early developers, deserve all the credit for making PK public and the British deserve none for their compulsive secrecy. And it may be only academic as to who invented PK. Still, it is worth learning what the possibilities are for attacks on PK, especially in the light of its unparalleled reputation for public use, or, as David Kahn said, its value as "the single most important invention in the history of cryptography." That sort of language makes me nervous about what lurks in the heart of PK, its invention, its leak, its liberation, its widespread public use, its seeming impregnability. A fair amount of the reputation of PK is comparable to a sophisticated sting -- the kind Kahn richly documents throughout the history of cryptography. If liberation of cryptography is a sting, what role of cpunks in that? What role vainglory in falling for the allure of anti- authority as the sting unfolds. Levy has words about this, although I have no reason to believe his early vaunting of cypherpunks was part of a wider scheme, nor his recent book. But, still, wizened cryptographers, as Kahn documents, claim you cannot ever be too paranoid. Whatever NSA releases on pre-Diffie PK, it will not be the truth but probably convincing to the believers in fairy tale crypto protection. The Brits way of leaking PK history to accomplish a hidden task or ability is similarly suspicious. From tcmay at got.net Sat Jan 5 09:36:58 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:36:58 -0800 Subject: Glock: preferred weapon of Baby Liberation Front In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Saturday, January 5, 2002, at 12:53 AM, Anonymous wrote: > Infant Shoots, Kills Cop Father > > SMYRNA, Tenn. (Reuters) - A 22-year-old policeman was killed by his > 3-year-old son when the > boy picked up his father's gun off the kitchen table and > accidentally fired, police said Friday. > > Joshua Haffner, who had recently joined the Smyrna Police > Department, returned home Thursday > from night shift duty, put down his gun, and was struck in the back > by a bullet fired by his unidentified > son, police spokeswoman Barbara Wilford said. > > Haffner was taken by helicopter to Vanderbilt University Medical > Center where he died a short time > later. He had graduated recently from the Metro Police Academy. > > Smyrna is a town of 14,000 southeast of Nashville. Ironically, the U.S. headquarters for Glock is in Smyrna....Smyrna, _Georgia_. (There are Smyrnas in both Georgia and Tennessee.) This sort of accident (caused by carelessness) may affect Glock sales slightly. The lightness of the trigger ("Glock SafeAction") on Glocks makes it more likely that a 3-year-old could manage a shot than with other actions. For example, a "cocked and locked" 1911 would probably be safer in this situation, as the kid would have to disengage the manual safety and also depress the grip safety (*). A DA/SA or DAO would also have more resistance on the first shot. And the "clack-clack" P7 that Matt Gaylor derides would be tough for a small child to squeeze cock. (* Some folks disable the grip safety on their 1911s, either by taping the grip lever in the squeezed position or with special mods. But nobody I know of carries the piece "cocked and unlocked.") --Tim May "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." --Samuel Adams From cripto at ecn.org Sat Jan 5 00:53:42 2002 From: cripto at ecn.org (Anonymous) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:53:42 +0100 Subject: Glock: preferred weapon of Baby Liberation Front Message-ID: Infant Shoots, Kills Cop Father SMYRNA, Tenn. (Reuters) - A 22-year-old policeman was killed by his 3-year-old son when the boy picked up his father's gun off the kitchen table and accidentally fired, police said Friday. Joshua Haffner, who had recently joined the Smyrna Police Department, returned home Thursday from night shift duty, put down his gun, and was struck in the back by a bullet fired by his unidentified son, police spokeswoman Barbara Wilford said. Haffner was taken by helicopter to Vanderbilt University Medical Center where he died a short time later. He had graduated recently from the Metro Police Academy. Smyrna is a town of 14,000 southeast of Nashville. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020104/ts/crime_policeman_dc_1.html From cripto at ecn.org Sat Jan 5 01:33:24 2002 From: cripto at ecn.org (Anonymous) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:33:24 +0100 Subject: ID fraud, King George's dumbshit cameljockey bodyguards Message-ID: <7d154d870e330f7db157fbedddd7bf68@ecn.org> So an arab with a loaded gun on his person wants on your plane. He claims to have some documents and claims to have phone numbers where others (also strangers to the pilot) will "vouch" for him. He claims to work for King George. Wisely, the pilot, who is actually responsible, lets him stew on the ground. Why do the proles who end up whining about ethnic discrimination *worship* shiny badges, paper and phones so much? Why is King George, who couldn't do squat to protect his NYC subjects, pissed that one of his bodyguards-for-life was a little late? ---- How do you spell relief? C-A-R-C-A-N-O From freematt at coil.com Sat Jan 5 07:49:52 2002 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:49:52 -0500 Subject: FOI- Arizona Stadium Tax Nazis Message-ID: From petro at bounty.org Sat Jan 5 13:16:22 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:16:22 -0800 Subject: explicit govt monopoly rent-seeking (law abuse) In-Reply-To: <3C34F0CC.BF0BCAD7@lsil.com> Message-ID: <77D8B7B3-0221-11D6-9D06-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 04:01 PM, Michael Motyka wrote: > My favorite is the lottery : can't gamble in your own home but they can > run a statewide casino - how are they different from the mafia? The mafia at least pays lip service to the concept of Honor. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From petro at bounty.org Sat Jan 5 13:17:32 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:17:32 -0800 Subject: Future Gnu's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 05:24 PM, measl at mfn.org wrote: > >> Spare your breath. The only way to shut up someone with a mental >> condition >> is to kick him off the list, to leave the list, or use filtering. > > Can't we just kick him: period? You mean physically? You mean *touch* him? Not with your Doc Martins! -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. 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Maurice >>The CP list seems to have degenerated quite a bit, judging from all the spam. Maybe it's Detwiler in disguise, eh? - All your paranoias are belong to us! (last april 01,archive)<< From nnews at openflows.org Sat Jan 5 12:35:07 2002 From: nnews at openflows.org (news flow) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:35:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Open Source Intelligence site In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106002126.00ab1820@pop.useoz.com> Message-ID: that write up is a bit old. explicitly one of the things we do (for ourselves yet shared with the public) is filter lists like cypherpunks and post the results on slash sites for further consumption and reflection On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, mattd wrote: > http://news.openflows.org/article.pl?sid=01/12/28/1521239&mode=thread jya. > > Welcome to News via OpenFlows! > We're just getting started, but this site should be developing rapidly, and > we're already posting several stories a day, so come back often. > Our first feature is coverage of the ongoing Napster legal dispute, which > we feel represents a number of issues relevant to Understanding the Network > Society... > Our second feature revolves around the tragic events of Sept 11th 2001. We > can't help but collect and archive documents relating to this cataclysmic > intersection of space and time. > Here @openflows.org we're involved in deep-sea diving admidst the > information flood acting as a high-speed early warning system that engages > pattern recognition on all scales. We're neither fauna nor flora, but are > quite alive, conducting collaborative filtering, that we hope you'll enjoy > and even engage! From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 20:39:54 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:39:54 +1100 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index (or: mindless OT bickering), Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105153247.00a30d50@pop.useoz.com> >>You should be glad I've managed to avoid polluting the forum by wasting breath responding to most of the gradeschool taunts/death threats losers seem to get off on directing my way these days. (I was about to include a whole paragraph of inflammatory comments regarding the aforementioned, but thought better of it. What's the point? I'm too busy and life's too short. To each his own. FOAD. Whatever.) ~Faustine. Death threats? I missed them,please reprint. "I ran across a museum of old time ersatz chick things, ersatz of the ersatz era long generated by Hollywood, and was told there used to be a major grower of nubile young ersatz, film star forever virgins, in the region but now all you could get were the pitiful fake ersatz chicks on the corporate campuses, bisexuals, polysexuals, polymorphous sexuals, kaliedescopic deviants, tree humpers, auto fetishists, vulture capital putas, animal rights for horrific practices, and the perdurable ersatz coprophiliacs all across the ersatz golden west, the last dregs of ersatz America where men used to be men in military and western gun-shooting drag and women were indescribable if not innocent whores like momma and baby sister. Somewhere western novels took over western imagination and horses asses became ersatz heroes unable to appreciate the real chick thing so obsessed were they at dreaming of being motherfucked."JYA *brilliant* From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 20:52:54 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:52:54 +1100 Subject: DoJ Ca Subsidiary of Wackenhutt Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105154800.00a30d50@pop.useoz.com> Letter to the Office of Attorney General. Do you have a Maurice Tate working there? Maurice.Tate at doj.ca.gov Id like to speak to his immediate superior please,Thanks. End. "The government serves the people; the people don't serve the motherfucking government."Patti Smith. From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 4 21:06:44 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 16:06:44 +1100 Subject: Snitches out themselves.Canarypunk stool pigeons,peterTrei and declan Mc Crapface. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105155957.00a34eb0@pop.useoz.com> >>No. He's a _deformed_ poster. This guy is a living breathing poster for euthanasia. Very fond of that,eh weasl? Still miss the old Zyklon B? >>> At least, as I think you said yesterday, CJ had much more flair, > and a better understanding of things cypherpunkly.< Besides, CJ is *cool*! Then shopping him through carelessness or whatever is wrong and to be condemned Right? >>> Ah well. Procmail > makes things much better. It has for me. Thanks for keeping the subject line up (Jerk) Crypto-anarchy must scare the shit out of some of these corporate weasels. From mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jan 5 09:20:20 2002 From: mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu (lcs Mixmaster Remailer) Date: 5 Jan 2002 17:20:20 -0000 Subject: Glock: preferred weapon of Baby Liberation Front Message-ID: <20020105172020.31230.qmail@nym.alias.net> >Infant Shoots, Kills Cop Father There is hope. A Darwin Award nominee, once-removed ? From measl at mfn.org Sat Jan 5 15:24:36 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:24:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: Future Gnu's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Petro wrote: > On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 05:24 PM, measl at mfn.org wrote: > > > > >> Spare your breath. The only way to shut up someone with a mental > >> condition > >> is to kick him off the list, to leave the list, or use filtering. > > > > Can't we just kick him: period? > > You mean physically? > > You mean *touch* him? > > Not with your Doc Martins! Aw shit, you're right... What a terrible thing to do to a shoe... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From declan at well.com Sat Jan 5 15:32:36 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:32:36 -0500 Subject: FOI- Arizona Stadium Tax Nazis In-Reply-To: ; from freematt@coil.com on Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 10:49:52AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020105183236.A4931@cluebot.com> Matt, Thanks for posting. I've forwarded it and copied the board members, as a courtesy: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02994.html -Declan On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 10:49:52AM -0500, Matthew Gaylor wrote: > Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:57:38 -0700 (MST) > From: snail at aztec.asu.edu (MIKE ROSS) > Subject: email addresses of TSA board members - please distribute to everyone > To: freematt at coil.com, snail at aztec2.asu.edu > > As a tax hating Arizonan i figured I would like > to e-mail the TSA (Tourism Stadium Authority) board > members and tell them I think the new stadium > for Bill Bidwell and his stinking football team > should be built in St Louis, Mo using whatever > tax dollars the citizens of St Louis feel free > to spend on it. certainly not in Phoenix or Tempe > where the Arizona government goons want to build > it using MY tax dollars. From georgemw at speakeasy.net Sat Jan 5 18:51:40 2002 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:51:40 -0800 Subject: Cpunks Lauded In-Reply-To: References: <495CC972-01A9-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: <3C374B3C.2394.1B64AB4C@localhost> On 5 Jan 2002, at 7:58, John Young wrote: > > This crypto demonization may well intensify as investigations > proceed into the government, military and intelligence failure to > prevent 911. Whether crypto actually played any role in the > attack may be seen as unimportant so long as a convincing > story can be promoted that it must have been. > I don't think anyone claims that it "must have been". Rather, the idea that it might have been, or might be useful for future terrorists, is sufficient to demonize it. Similarly, the 9/11 terrorists didn't use guns, but everyone knows terrorists use guns, The idea of cryptography as munitions isn't just metaphor or, if it is, it's a really really good metaphor. > Tim is right that Diffie, Hellman, all the PK early developers, > deserve all the credit for making PK public and the British > deserve none for their compulsive secrecy. And it may be > only academic as to who invented PK. Still, it is worth learning > what the possibilities are for attacks on PK, especially in the > light of its unparalleled reputation for public use, or, as > David Kahn said, its value as "the single most important > invention in the history of cryptography." > I'd rank it number 2, after key based encryption. But the concept of key-based encryption seems to me to be relatively obvious (I could have invented it myself if it hadn't been invented already) whereas the idea of public key encryption seems (to me at least) to be counterintuitive and utterly brilliant. > That sort of language makes me nervous about what lurks > in the heart of PK, its invention, its leak, its liberation, its > widespread public use, its seeming impregnability. A fair > amount of the reputation of PK is comparable to a sophisticated > sting -- the kind Kahn richly documents throughout the history > of cryptography. > > If liberation of cryptography is a sting, what role of cpunks > in that? What role vainglory in falling for the allure of anti- > authority as the sting unfolds. Levy has words about this, > although I have no reason to believe his early vaunting of > cypherpunks was part of a wider scheme, nor his recent > book. But, still, wizened cryptographers, as Kahn documents, > claim you cannot ever be too paranoid. > To the extent that paranoia represents a genuine disorder, paranoia refers not to an excessive amount of distrust or precaution- taking, but rather an unrealistic assesment of risks. Carrying a gun around alll the time isn't paranoid. Carrying around cobra antivenom is (assuimng you have no particular reason to expect cobra attacks). The idea that there could be a back door in something as basic as the CONCEPT of public key encryption strikes me as being absurd. > Whatever NSA releases on pre-Diffie PK, it will not be > the truth but probably convincing to the believers in fairy > tale crypto protection. The Brits way of leaking PK history > to accomplish a hidden task or ability is similarly suspicious. > > I'd call it "irrelevant" rather than "suspicious". Any time an academic cryptologist discovers something (PK encryption, linear cryptanalysis, differential cryptanalysis..) there's always some spook there claiming he knew about it years earlier. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't, who cares? If you make a discovery and hide it, you may as well not have made it, and that really is all there is to say on that particular issue. George From faustine. at hushmail.com Sat Jan 5 18:59:40 2002 From: faustine. at hushmail.com (faustine. at hushmail.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:59:40 -0800 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index (or: mindless OT bickering) Message-ID: <200201060259.g062xe127640@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 3382 bytes Desc: not available URL: From georgemw at speakeasy.net Sat Jan 5 19:01:25 2002 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:01:25 -0800 Subject: Ersatz Chick Thing In-Reply-To: References: <200201050014.g050EVp91804@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <3C374D85.28426.1B6D96D0@localhost> On 4 Jan 2002, at 19:36, John Young wrote: > What is pleasurable to us unimaginatives trapped east > of the limits of decency is getting hands on ersatz chick > things, and the other marvelous west coast entertainments > gone stale years ago. > > We get ersatz ersatz chick things by the planeloads but > not the real patooty grown in backyard agriponte sheds > all along the Pacific Coast. > > Coming back from the Bell trial in April my chick thing and > I ran across a museum of old time ersatz chick things, ersatz > of the ersatz era long generated by Hollywood, and was told > there used to be a major grower of nubile young ersatz, > film star forever virgins, in the region but now all you could > get were the pitiful fake ersatz chicks on the corporate campuses, > bisexuals, polysexuals, polymorphous sexuals, kaliedescopic > deviants, tree humpers, auto fetishists, vulture capital putas, > animal rights for horrific practices, and the perdurable > ersatz coprophiliacs all across the ersatz golden west, > the last dregs of ersatz America where men used to be > men in military and western gun-shooting drag and women > were indescribable if not innocent whores like momma > and baby sister. > > Somewhere western novels took over western imagination > and horses asses became ersatz heroes unable to appreciate > the real chick thing so obessesed were they at dreaming of > being motherfucked. > > Here's my theory: some time back in High School, or maybe Junior High, your least favorite teacher dogmatically asserted that it is impossible to be a journalist without writing comprehensibly, and on that day you vowed that you would prove that motherfucker wrong if it took the rest of your life. Dude, you've made your point, and the motherfucker is probably dead by now anyway. Let it be. George From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 00:18:00 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:18:00 +1100 Subject: Open Letter to RSA and Ca DoJ management. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105190351.00a2da60@pop.useoz.com> AU holds the record for the most slain by a lone gunman.RSA has offices in Sydney and Brisbane.(cities I regularly traverse,btw) The US has many officials here,also tourists and troops,sailors on R+R.When peter Trei of RSA sends this... To: cypherpunks at lne.com, "'mattd'" Subject: RE: Future Gnu's From: "Trei, Peter" Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:35:52 -0500 Sender: owner-cypherpunks at ssz.com If there's anything more annoying than a boring nut who takes up 30% of the list volume, it's a boring nut who takes up 30% of the list volume with plaigerized articles from other, much more creative and intelligent nuts. Extract end.And when Maurice Tate sends... To: Subject: Re:Tentacle Time - false alarm From: "Maurice Tate" Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:34:57 -0800 Sender: owner-cypherpunks at ssz.com Never mind guys, it's not LD. Just Timmy complaining about the moron factor. Good work on that, btw... Anyone know if this "mattd" snork is a real nutjob, or just a close lookalike? My money's on him self-destructing inside of a year. Too bad, he's doing our job for us, and doesn't even know it. What a poltroon... later - MT End full e-mail. I for one have to ask,as might anyone who's seen psycho 2 and saw what happened to the dennis Franz character,are these e-mails wise? From faustine. at hushmail.com Sat Jan 5 19:20:47 2002 From: faustine. at hushmail.com (faustine. at hushmail.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:20:47 -0800 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index (or: mindless OT bickering) Message-ID: <200201060320.g063Klh26672@mailserver2c.hushmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 1036 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 00:30:52 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:30:52 +1100 Subject: explicit govt monopoly rent-seeking (law abuse) Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105192727.00a30b10@pop.useoz.com> 1971 -- An angry Vietnam soldier, George Mellendorf sends letter to Richard Nixon complaining about slow delivery of mail to soldiers: "It seems as if nobody cares if we get our mail." Nixon may have responded quickly with his letter of denial, but Mellendorf didn't get it until 1978 -- seven years after it was sent.(on this day;the daily bleed) Freudian Uniform Slip (ta pug) The man appointed by the governor of Texas as the state's director of homeland security in the U.S. war on terrorism, David Dewhurst, is also a candidate for lieutenant governor, and his recent patriot-themed campaign ad featured a large U.S. flag with a smartly dressed soldier standing in front of it. However, it was later discovered that the soldier in the photograph was not an American but a German soldier in a Luftwaffe uniform. [Dallas Morning News, 10-26-01] From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 00:50:42 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:50:42 +1100 Subject: Letter from an anarchist C/punk thats actually been to Iceland. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105193914.00ab7520@pop.useoz.com> >>But when someone referred to Friedman's essays on Icelandic anarchy, it didn't draw the blanks I think we now see<< Taken from an april 01 post by Fried man fan,May. See http://www.hi.is/~bthru/ritgerd.htm for Ordered Anarchy, State, And Rent-Seeking: The Icelandic Commonwealth, 930-1262 Birgir T. Runolfsson Solvason's PhD thesis. "I will not discuss my dissatisfaction with some political interpretations that I do not think are justified; such as claiming that the Commonwealth is an example of libertarianism or anarcho-capitalism in practice (see Friedman 1989a;1989b). This interpretation of the Commonwealth is not warranted, and the reasons for why it is not, will become apparent in this thesis." And http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/secF9.html for Is Medieval Iceland an example of "anarcho"-capitalism working in practice? An excellent left-libertarian refutation of this position. Part of An Anarchist FAQ Webpage. Some rebuttals are available at David Friedman's home page.(end) Apart from demolishing most libertarian *logic*, david seems to be shooting blanks.Mattd. From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 01:37:48 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 20:37:48 +1100 Subject: In the spirit of crazy horse. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105203307.00ab7210@pop.useoz.com> Free leonard Peltier now! And chris Boyce,Mumia,Sarah and all drug war prisoners.OK.enough politics... Level 9,the pilot ep was on last night and I had it droning away in the corner,heres some synop from http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue183/screen3.html The Level 9 team soon discovers that the person who took Grace is also involved with Price's archnemesis CrayZhorse. He is a master hacker who has dedicated himself to creating anarchy by leading others in a group called "The Great Uprising." CrayZhorse seems to have orchestrated both the murders and Grace's kidnapping. Price has gone up against him before and lost. But this time Price can't afford to lose, because Level 9 is the country's last and only line of defense against those who would seek to do the unthinkable.(extract) From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 01:49:43 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 20:49:43 +1100 Subject: Proffr without honor Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105204448.00ab70c0@pop.useoz.com> Anarchy online,Prophet Without Honour: Anarchy Online Book One "Only in his home town and in his own house is a prophet without honour." -Matthew 13.57 Prophet Without Honour begins in the year 29,475 on the planet Rubi-Ka. On this newly colonised world, orbiting two suns on the outer fringes of the galaxy, a series of momentous events will change the course of human history for all time to come. The war between Omni-Tek, the corporate entity with political and economic control over Rubi-Ka, and the rebel clans who fight for the freedom and independence of their people is just the precursor to a greater conflict that begins on Earth in the 20th Century. Three central characters play out three converging roles - one strives for immortality, one for power and control, and one for the realisation of dreams and prophecies designed to bring humanity one step closer to its eventual fate. Spanning almost three hundred millennia of history - encompassing the fall and rebirth of mankind, the domination and destruction of a corporate hegemony.Etc at http://www.anarchyonline.com/content/story/past/ From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 03:06:15 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:06:15 +1100 Subject: Cpunks Lauded ;Tim May loaded. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105214427.00a28e00@pop.useoz.com> >>"Let me understand this...you have come to my house to tell me that I am a criminal facing 20-to-life if I continue to write in my journal in a language you have no key to decipher?" << Recent case in Ohio,guy's diary entries prosecutable.(they'll set up a grand jury at the drop of a hat,as well.) >>Much is being made of the "new bluntness" in Washington: "Wanted, dead or alive." "We want Osama dead." The same applies to statists: fuck with constitutional rights ... The slave owners constitution supposedly recognizes Intrinsic human and civil rights,In a world where national borders are not even speed humps,etc.Is is to much to ask you to refer to universal human and civil rights instead? You may sound slightly less foolish. >>fuck with constitutional rights and you face killing. Singly or en masse. Execution of entire buildings is sometimes justified. Washington, D.C. is long overdue for "termination with extreme prejudice." << Coming from a non Apster this is just more bubbles in tims hot tub,stand well clear! Also,Tim,like Osama in east africa,doesnt care how many innocents die in his hot air jihad.Collateral damage. >>(Those who are not criminals have had many years to realize this and to get the hell out of Dodge.) << Those who are not hypocrites like tim and david fried man,d.Klein,etc have had plenty of time to find states with fewer laws and lower taxes than Cali. >>The new bluntness. << On this list!...I dont like it..you have to back up what your crapping on about!? What! >>Their "predecessors" were only predecessors in time, not in intellectual influence or in any causal sense. And their "predecessors" did not contribute the rich set of contributions that Diffie, Hellman, Merkle, Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman have contributed. In fact, we don't even fully know if these "predecessors" fully realized what they had (allegedly) discovered. Further, given that they were not participating in the larger world in the way that Diffie et. al. were, we don't even know where they got their ideas...perhaps from "predecessors of the predecessors." Those who toiled in secrecy have earned the fame that they will never have. << I cant be bothered deciphering this obscurantist gibberish but try this for something straightforward www.simonsingh.com "The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant." --John Stuart Mill Theres talk of tracking known arsonists and detaining them during fire emergencies down here in NSW.Tomorrows tipped to be 40 deg cel.Wonder what the CATO kid thinks of global warming? From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 03:51:46 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:51:46 +1100 Subject: Putz the Id back in Yid. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105224848.00a2a2e0@pop.useoz.com> In Sabbath's Theater, Philip Roth finally showed us he could write a book in which neither Philip Roth nor his thinly-veiled stand-in, Nathan Zuckerman, made an appearance. The theme of Sabbath's Theater has been done before: a lecherous, unconventional man railing at the ravages of time and the dwindling of the sexual potency by which he has defined his very existence. Most of the time, however, this theme is poorly written, the characters trite and cliched. Roth, not surprisingly, invests this novel with more lyrical energy, more sexual frankness, sharper comedy and deeper seriousness than has any writer before. Although Roth does make use of both flashback and association, the plot of Sabbath's Theater is brisk. Mickey Sabbath, who went off to sea at the age of eighteen just so he could visit the world's brothels, is a loathsome character. His abiding philosophy of life is simply to do whatever he pleases and never to worry about pleasing anyone else. Nothing phases him, in fact, he seems to take pleasure in his uncanny ability to antagonize others. Their outrage seems to be only a reflection of his own self-worth. Mickey Sabbath manages to hurt, deceive, betray, offend, insult and abuse just about everyone with whom he comes into contact. A true degenerate, Mickey Sabbath may seem to lack any sense of moral conscience. Although anyone meeting such a character would deny it, Sabbath actually spent an idyllic childhood on the Jersey shore; a childhood that was shattered by a traumatic dual loss. In an effort to deal with his loss and the resultant pain, to stamp out the brutality of life, and, to affirm his own sense of aliveness, Sabbath turns to carnal pleasures with a vengeance, indulging each and every sexual impulse. Even as Sabbath indulges his crasser nature, however, and casts a satirical eye on those who deny their sensual impulses, he still endeavors to understand himself and the workings of the universe. In fact, much of the novel's comic pathos is derived from the tension that exists between Sabbath's base nature and his lechery and his seemingly incomprehensible yearning for cosmic illumination. There is a lot of graphic sex in Sabbath's Theater and most readers will probably find it simply too perverse. I did not enjoy reading this book, and, although I think I understand Mickey Sabbath, I have to admit that I hated him. He suffers, that cannot be denied, but he is simply so perverse, and his behavior so amoral, that I really didn't care. To be fair, I do have to admit that the perversity in this book did enhance and advance my understanding of Mickey Sabbath and the conflicts in which he is embroiled. And Philip Roth is certainly better at creating degenerate, or at least morally ambivalent characters, than he is at creating the lofty or the solemn. His "good" characters are simply too good to be true, while Sabbath, much as we may despise him, is completely credible. He may be despicable and perverted, but at least he knows it. The writing in Sabbath's Theater is absolutely first-rate; it is pure Philip Roth and it crackles with more energy and exuberance than Portnoys' Complaint. The characters are more complex, the narrative more sophisticated and the tonal range wider than many of Roth's other works. The ending of the book virtually drips with irony. This is a multi-layered novel and one that is brilliantly original. It also contains some of the funniest writing to be found anywhere in American fiction today. Sabbath's Theater is, at its heart, a darkly comic masterpiece of complexity from one of America's finest authors.(by the same author;Operation shylock) From blancw at cnw.com Sat Jan 5 23:05:00 2002 From: blancw at cnw.com (Blanc) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:05:00 -0800 Subject: Another Movie of Some Cpunk Interest Message-ID: I was just reading through the John Locke Foundation web site, http://www.johnlocke.org/ (and I'm suitably impressed with what I've read there, their approach to things is quite respectable), that Orson Scott Card's sci-fi novel "Ender's Game" is being made into a movie (no info on when it might be out). [I liked the story alright, except for the disappointing end: apparently all that superior intelligence and strategy and toil & trouble was all on account of . . . big bugs. Not a very seriously realistic reason or challenge, in my mind, to warrant all the mystery of the effort. Oh, well. Maybe the special effects will be entertaining, and with a bag of popcorn for additional enjoyment it will be worth the matinee price. :) ] .. Blanc From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 04:19:45 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 23:19:45 +1100 Subject: NYC 3000 Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105231648.00a28650@pop.useoz.com> Sci-fi Novelist Samuel R. Delany Imagines New York City Circa 3000 Future Shock by Samuel R. Delanyhe first scene of "The Graveyard Heart," by the late science-fiction writer Roger Zelazny, takes place at a party on New Year's Eve of the year 2000. It's a tale of fabulous wealth, beautiful women, and tiny ceramic dogs; of people who behave like vampires, and love that spans the centuries. It's a story I plan to reread on the big evening, as I wait to see if the lights stay on past midnight or if my word processor still works the next morning. It's hard to believe that story was written almost 40 years ago. But it's a tale to send the mind ahead to contemplate what science fiction suggests the future might actually hold, once it gets hereas, with or without us, it inevitably does. My best hope for New York City is that having persisted for a few hundred years into the third millennium, it will be remembered as the greatest city of the last century of the second millennium. In 3000 it may be recalled as rich, romantic, horrifying in many of its aspects, with a rep-utation much like the Athens of classical Greece has today, or possibly Rome; or maybe the medieval Paris of the murderer, thief, and poet Francois Villon. If we're lucky, New York City might survive as an exotic name, like Nineveh or Syberisis; but if the culture continues to change at its present rate, New York's legacy might be more like that of Cambodia's Angkor Wata deserted space, forgotten and overgrown, somewhere in the world that foreigners rarely visit. But what might happen along the way? More at http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/9952/delany.php From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 04:26:54 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 23:26:54 +1100 Subject: Holler for a Marshall Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105232546.00a2d020@pop.useoz.com> The Wisdom of Saint Marshall, the Holy Fool In the tumult of the digital revolution, McLuhan is relevant anew. But if you think you know Marshall McLuhan, or what he stood for - think again. By Gary Wolf Where in the waste is the wisdom?" - James Joyce In 1971, Marshall McLuhan announced a new product. With chemist Ross Hall, his nephew, McLuhan patented a formula for the removal of urine odor from underpants. The unique advantage of McLuhan's formula, for which he registered the trademark Prohtex, was that it removed the urine odor without masking other, more interesting smells - that of perspiration, for instance. In the aural and tactile environment of preliterate man, McLuhan explained, BO had been a valuable means of communication. When electronic technology turned the world into a global village, tribal odors would make a comeback, too. This prediction has yet to come true, but if body odor has not yet made a comeback, its prophet surely has. Marshall McLuhan was born in 1911 and died in 1980. By the time of his death, he had been dismissed by respectable academicians, and he was known in the popular press as an eccentric intellectual whose day in the media spotlight had come and gone. By 1980, the transformation of human life catalyzed by television was taken for granted, and it no longer seemed interesting to ask where the electronic media were taking us. But in recent years, the explosion of new media - particularly the Web - has caused new anxieties. Or to put a more McLuhanesque spin on it, the advent of new digital media has brought the conditions of the old technologies into sharper relief, and made us suddenly conscious of our media environment. In the confusion of the digital revolution, McLuhan is relevant again. Conservative Christian anarchist McLuhan's slogans "The medium is the message" and "The global village" are recited like mantras in every digital atelier in the world, despite the fact that hardly anyone who quotes McLuhan reads his books. Some of them McLuhan hardly wrote in the first place, trusting assistants and collaborators to cobble them together out of recordings and notes. As his biographer Philip Marchand explains, with wry sympathy, "writing books was not McLuhan's forte." Neither was McLuhan very influential as a scholar or teacher. From the beginning of his career, the Canadian professor with a doctorate from Cambridge stood outside the academic mainstream for which he had little patience. The natural incompatibility of originality and academia was probably especially difficult to overcome for McLuhan, who had received his early education in North American public schools, which, then as now, offered few advantages to their most talented students. By the time he arrived at Cambridge, McLuhan had acquired what is perhaps the defining trait of autodidacts - a kernel of personal crankiness and a resistance to established authority. In his role as social, political, and economic analyst, McLuhan was a clown. His speeches and public pronouncements helped give rise to a generation of affluent futurists and business consultants skilled at telling executives what they liked to hear, but McLuhan's own predictions and business ideas were often hilariously ill-conceived. If his urine-odor remover failed to stimulate the instincts of business executives, perhaps McLuhan could talk Tom Wolfe into collaborating on a Broadway production of a play in which the media appeared on stage as characters. This aborted script followed two other McLuhan attempts at musicals, including one in which Russian Elvis fans were given a shot at governing America. Even in areas where McLuhan was expected to be more dependable - say, pop culture - his pronouncements were often incredible. In 1968, for instance, McLuhan attempted to explain to readers of Playboy why the miniskirt was not sexy. With McLuhan, the accuracy of his commentary was beside the point. "What is truth?" asked McLuhan in 1974, and he answered with a quote he attributed to Agatha Christie's iconoclastic investigator Hercule Poirot: "Eet ees whatever upsets zee applecart." "You have not studied Joyce or Baudelaire yet, or you would have no problems in understanding my procedure," McLuhan wrote to one detractor with whom he was especially irritated. "I have no theories whatever about anything. I make observations by way of discovering contours, lines of force, and pressures. I satirize at all times, and my hyperboles are as nothing compared to the events to which they refer." Gary Wolf (Wired.com"gary at Wired.com) is the executive editor of HotWired. He and Michael Stein are the authors of Aether Madness: An Off-Beat Guide to the Online World. From schear at lvcm.com Sat Jan 5 23:34:44 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 23:34:44 -0800 Subject: explicit govt monopoly rent-seeking (law abuse) In-Reply-To: <77D8B7B3-0221-11D6-9D06-00306577F12E@bounty.org> References: <3C34F0CC.BF0BCAD7@lsil.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020105233356.03a68a78@pop3.lvcm.com> At 01:16 PM 1/5/2002 -0800, Petro wrote: >On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 04:01 PM, Michael Motyka wrote: >>My favorite is the lottery : can't gamble in your own home but they can >>run a statewide casino - how are they different from the mafia? > > The mafia at least pays lip service to the concept of Honor. When there is no justice a State is merely big scale exploitation, just like a gang of thieves is a miniature kingdom. -- Augustin From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 04:47:06 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 23:47:06 +1100 Subject: Small is Beautiful. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020105234337.00a2ab30@pop.useoz.com> Classic Appropriate Technology Vision, May 25, 2000 This is one book that adds the perspective of the wider World (not just the technologically elite), when making decisions on engineering/business solutions (as well as other resource allocation decisions). When striving towards best solutions, some engineers & consultants may favour technology complexity and quality, when simplicity and fit-for-purpose are optimal. This book provides some inspiration and building blocks, to be coupled with the usual simulation toolkit including systems analysis, enabling development and implementation of appropriate solutions. Similarly, the book appeals to a much wider audience that can embrace such values in day to day life. The inspirational well-written contents cover: *Part I- The modern world- problem of production, peace and permanence, role of economics, Buddhist economics, and a question of size. *Part II- resources- education, proper use of land, resources for industry, nuclear energy, and technology with a human face. *Part III_ the third world- development, social and economic problems requiring intermediate technology, two million villages, and the problem of unemployment in India. *Part IV- organisation and ownership- a machine to foretell the future, towards a theory of large-scale organisation, socialism, ownership and new patterns of ownership. Improvements could include up-to-date case studies (perhaps including material from VSO) showing the benefits of the approach; and an update on where intermediate technology is today. Note- the book 'Flexible Specialisation' by Pedersen et al (ISBN 1853392170 publ.1994) provides some such case studies for Africa, Asia and Mexico. Personally, this reviewer was inspired by the book to lead an undergraduate team project with Intermediate Technology (the company) and Sri Lankan men designing and implementing a self-build fretsaw for educational toys in 1991. Overall a stimulating, worthwhile addition to any library. Another review... Economists are people who spend half of their time foretelling what will happen, and the other half explaining why what they foresaw didn't happen, right? Well, not Fritz Shumacher. Today, in 2001, "Small Is Beautiful" is 25 years old, and almost every single prediction in the book, from the power, deshumanization, and cross-borders character of corporation, to the threat to the environment, to the ineffectiveness of liberalism in addressing the problems of the developing world, have become true. Of special interest are the chapters that deal with adoption of technology, and the role of technology in development. In Schumacher's insights may lie the key to making development an inherent process of each society, instead of an external, massive, and rarely effective effort. The last few chapters, about "socializing" large corporations, may be somewhat utopian in today's world, but still merit reflection. Shumacher died soon after having published his book, so he didn't have the opportunity of spreading or developing his work. Still, this is a must read for anyone interested in sound, alternative views to the prevailing ones of "larger is better", or "if what we're doing doesn't work, we must do more of it". From bill.stewart at pobox.com Sat Jan 5 23:59:48 2002 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 23:59:48 -0800 Subject: explicit govt monopoly rent-seeking (law abuse) In-Reply-To: <77D8B7B3-0221-11D6-9D06-00306577F12E@bounty.org> References: <3C34F0CC.BF0BCAD7@lsil.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20020105234721.032bcb80@idiom.com> At 01:16 PM 01/05/2002 -0800, Petro wrote: >On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 04:01 PM, Michael Motyka wrote: >>My favorite is the lottery : can't gamble in your own home but they can >>run a statewide casino - how are they different from the mafia? > > The mafia at least pays lip service to the concept of Honor. Most state governments also give you a breakdown on the things that they spend the money on (with usually some weasel-words to avoid indicating that it's proceeds from scamming suckers. Usually the establishment of the lottery was justified to the voters by saying they'd spend the money on schools and old people; usually the actual spending is mostly for prisons (to keep druggies and gamblers in) and other disreputable things. The Mafia, by contrast, explains how they spend their money by saying "Duh, we're the Mafia, whaddyatink?" Also, the Mafia doesn't hypocritically claim that they're forbidding other people to run lotteries because they're immoral; they may claim that they're doing it because "this is *my* territory". Of course, both of them let the Catholic Church and Fire Departments run bingo games. And at least back when I lived in New Jersey, we didn't get a state lottery until the Mafia agreed that it was ok to run it if the payoff was a lot worse than their Daily Number. (Mafia payoff was 60%; State was usually 50%.) On the other hand, Teri Gross on NPR was doing an interview with somebody who'd written a book about the current Philadelphia mob. Apparently, the concept of honor is long gone, even among the younger members of the old Italian families. And not only no honor, but not really even any style as a substitute. Buncha crude thugs, got no respect for nobody. From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 05:01:47 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:01:47 +1100 Subject: Turkish today,Crypto tomorrow? Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106000018.00a30d70@pop.useoz.com> (Longish)YEARLY REPORT ON ANARCHISM IN TURKEY - 2001* In Turkey, year 2001 passed with the deep impacts of economic crisis that was declared to be the greatest since World War II. In the anarchist arena, unfortunately on the same days with the emerging of crisis in Turkish economy (on February) an attack to an anarchist comrade by a group of "so-called" anarchists caused a kind of "division" in the movement. But in general anarchism went on spreading all over the country and for the first time in their seventeen years of "official" history, a group of Turkish anarchists are arrested for the claim of "being members of an illegal organization". GROUPS & ACTIONS In 2001, Turkish anarchists organized in lots of different autonomous groups and around some campaigns. Except the "isolated group" Anarchist Platform which organized few own demonstrations in Istanbul, anarchists from Istanbul formed a new group named TSK-I "Initiative Against Domination and War-Istanbul". This group includes members from both IAMI (Istanbul Anti-Militarist Initiative) and kara MecmuA involvers with also individual participants from Istanbul. Mayday, Genova events etc. were among those demos that Istanbul anarchists participated. TSK-I also succeeded to organize a self-performance demo and few seminars against the war. Anti-MERNIS campaign (a campaign against national identity card number system-MERNIS) was one of those initiatives started by the same group. Ankara anarchists have their own place named Kara Kalem Sanat Atvlyesi "Black Pencil Art Workshop" in downtown since August 2001. More than dealing only with so-called "art", it is also an active meeting place for organizing every kind of activity. Last year they would manage to organize an anti-militarist festival and a press meeting for objectors. A number of fanzines published by various members of Ankara anarchist circle (including AN kara fanzin). They've appeared in lots of demos, in some carrying their own flags and placards. During Genova events, after the murdering of Carlo was heard, bank ATMs and walls of buildings in downtown met with anarchists. In Izmir, which is the third biggest city of Turkey, there are two main groups. One of them is IAF (Izmir Anarchist Federation); in fact they are just an autonomous group of young anarchists-not a "federation" in the real meaning of the word. They have published their own fanzine and attended some local demos. This group has some relations with "isolated" Anarchist Platform. There are some other anarchists who had worked with Genova initiative and appeared on Mayday; they used the name of Kara G|ndem "Black Agenda". ISKD (Izmir War Resisters Association) must also be mentioned here as an important anti-militarist organization. This group organized an international meeting named "Anti-Militarism and Feminism in Turkey" on September. It does also include a women group named "Anti-Militarist Feminists". This year various autonomous groups from different cities emerged. Anarchist Collective from Istanbul dissolved itself after succeeding in a few actions and publishing some materials. Some groups dared to declare themselves as "anarchist autonomous groups" (Ushak and Samsun) and some as local anarchists initiatives (in Antalya, Mersin etc.). This year on Mayday, Antalya met with anarchists carrying black fags. In other cities anarchists act either as "friend" groups or smaller initiatives. "ANARCHIST" PLATFORM AND ISOLATION POLICY On 10 of February, a group of 5-6 people attacked a well-known anarchist and conscientious objector grotesquely during a meeting about non-violent methods of struggle in Istanbul. The attack against him was probably because of his critics about the attackers but as it would be expected the attackers claimed him in other "personal" means. The incident was immediately condemned by most of the anarchist, anti-militarist and libertarian groups all around the country including MecmuA, IAMI, ISKD, Kaos GL, and Ankara Anarchists etc. The related group Anarchist Platform including AGF (Anarchist Youth Federation), SED (Social Ecological Transformation) and their periodical Efendizler (Masterless) did not make any statement about the subject, instead they preferred to claim the "other" groups and individuals for their isolation policy. As it was not the first not the last violent incident against anarchists organized by this group, "isolation" policy seems to continue until they have gave up their treatments and violent acts against anarchists. ANTI-MILITARISM Anti-militarist activities were mostly located in three big cities Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir. For the day of Conscientious Objection on 15th May various activities were organized; mainly in Ankara and also two other cities. In Ankara, three day long anti-militarist festival included a seminar, an inner discussion, film exhibitions, and a concert (although it did not last long because of the rain). This was organized by mostly anarchists from Ankara and few anti-militarists. On 27th of October, two people from Ankara declared their conscientious objection against the military service. For some people their declarations were more than conscientious, "total" objection as they rejected any possible corporation with the state and the army. One of the objectors was a gay from Kaos GL group. For the first time as a gay "objector" he and his group stated the oppression of the state and army on gays. On the same day Ankara Anarchists organized an illegal demo against the ongoing war and in order to support the objectors. Similar demonstrations and actions were organized by anarchists in various cities and universities in Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir mostly against the war in Afghanistan. On 27-30 September in Izmir-S}gacik, with the initiative of ISKD group an international meeting on anti-militarism, feminism and libertarian activities was organized. About 80 people attended; 30 of whom came from abroad. The issues were based on anti-militarism, pacifist methods of struggle, feminism, ecologism and anarchism. Although some disagreements among anarchists and some anti-militarists appeared, it must be regarded as a successful meeting. PRISONS AND ANARCHISTS On 1st of December, two anarchists were taken by the police in Ushak (a city in Mid-West Anatolia) with the claim of distributing "illegal" leaflets in a meeting organized by trade-unions. Later on, 3 other were taken, and all (5) of them were arrested with the claim of "being members of an illegal organization" namely Ushak Anarchist Autonom. In fact they had nothing to do except distributing their own materials/leaflets. But for this terrorist state, it may be enough to judge them with the claim of organizing in such a way "to destroy or to divide" it, although they did not even find any (in their own "words") "violent" or "terrorist" clues related with the group. Their trail will be held in Izmir DGM (SSC-State Security Court) and probably they'll be sent to Nazilli Prison. At the moment they are in Ushak Prison; each of them was put into different cells, which is not "usual". As it was heard they were badly beaten and tortured by Ushak police and refused the lawyer offered by the state. This is the first time that Turkish anarchists will be judged by Turkish State as an "illegal organization" and this trail will show the attitude of the state against anarchists and anarchist organizations. The last months of 2000 and the most of 2001 passed with the hunger strikes' of revolutionary leftist prisoners against F type prisons and the terror of Turkish state against them. Some anarchist groups and individuals supported the riots of political prisoners without being a tool for the leftist groups' policies. Yet, among the prisoners there are only five people who were arrested because of anarchist activities; most of the others naming themselves "anarchists" are former members of leftist organizations. Among these people there are some who are suffering from not only the oppression of the state and prison authorities but also the oppression of the leftists. This may even sometimes end up with death just like it happened three years ago in Bursa jail in suspicious murder of an anti- authoritarian/anti-militarist prisoner Mehmet Cakar by his former group TIKKO (Turkish Liberation Army of Peasants and Workers). "Anarchist" prisoners in jail did not "fully" support the hunger strikes as it was initiated by leftists -mostly led by DHKP-C (Revolutionary People's Liberation Army-Front)- but some of them partially went a few days symbolic hunger strike. Only one among all "anarchists" in jail, Dervish Orhan personally -although his former organization PKK (Kurdistan Labor Party) did not support hunger strikes- went on a hunger strike for over 150 days including a few weeks of break. His "requests" were mostly personal; against the prison administration that had taken his personal notes, books, clothes and furniture. But this was not a hunger strike just for "requests", in fact more than that it was to protest the administration and on their behalf the State itself. In a few months time anarchists all around Turkey organized a campaign for the release of him, afterwards the needed money was collected to transfer him to hospital for medical control from Mersin (where he was imprisoned) to Istanbul. At last, after following some legal procedures with the initiative of his new lawyer, he was released on 31st of October for 6 months because of health problems. ANTI-SEXISM Kaos GL, which is the unique libertarian anti-heterosexual gay & lesbian group in Turkey managed to open the first homosexual culture center of Turkey (Kaos K|lt|r Merkezi-Chaos Culture Center) in Ankara on September 2000. Kaos GL is released periodically on every three months but fifteen days newspaper project Parmak (Finger) had failed after a number of issues. Unwillingly they have become very "popular" in the mainstream media with their participation in Mayday demonstration. Some women groups mostly from Istanbul and Izmir were active during this year; Sigacik meeting was a good organization in this means. ANARCHO-SYNDICALISM Yet Turkish anarcho-syndicalists and other anarchists that are members of trade unions did not manage to organize. This is more or less because of the fact that anarcho-syndicalism does not have any tradition or historical background in Turkish syndicalism history. In addition, Turkish legal infrastructure is quite problematic about establishing syndicates. That's why, anarchists usually choose to work in recent syndicates as just members or even sometimes they are taking some responsibilities. Although they are very few in number for now, increasing day by day -most of them are former Marxists- in some syndicates like KESK (Confederation of Public Workers' Syndicates-office workers syndicate for government sector). In the riots against the new trade-union law -which gave "legality" to syndicates such as KESK- anarchists and anarcho-syndicalists were among those people who has fought against the security forces. PRESS & PERIODICALS First issue of kara MecmuA (black Periodical) came on February and five issues were printed until January 2002. "MecmuA involvers" include different writers from -nearly- all of the previous anarchist periodicals; Kara (Black-first appeared on 1984), Efendisiz, Amargi, Atesh Hirsizi, Apolitika, Efendisizler etc. Each issue -but not the whole magazine- has a different subject to discuss and has a two months period to be released again. Published in Istanbul, it is distributed in most of the country and as an average more than 1000 are sold. Kaos Yayinlari (Chaos Publications) uses the same address with MecmuA and still the unique anarchist bookstore in Turkey. In addition some leftist bookstores publish -mostly translated- books on anarchist theory and history but yet "anarchism in Turkish" is not so rich. This year so called "Anarchist" Platform circle's periodicals like Efendisizler, Anarsi, and Kara Toprak (Black Land) did not appear so much (only a few issues). On the other hand zines are still active and lots of new anarchist and anarcho-punk zines born. Among them "AN kara fanzin" is different, as it looks like a "formal" periodical more than a zine-with both by number of the participants and with its page-format. The staff contains some anarchists from Ankara and the zine is distributed to many cities. Starting from May, three issues were published. Except this one, lots of zines Oldsletter, KatrAn, Veganarshi, Kontra Atak, Twillight Zine, Ictepi, Afanzin etc. were published in 2001 and as a counter culture they have signed the development of anarchist theory and practice in Turkey. As a historical and effective a well-known Turkish periodical on culture and literature, Varlik appeared to be an arena for spreading anarchist ideas. S|reyyya Evren, Rahmi Vgd|l, Yasar Cubuklu and Isik Erg|den are among the writers whose articles on anarchist and libertarian thought are good sources for intellectual ground. * Written by B. V. from AN kara fanzin - January 2002 From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 05:04:24 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:04:24 +1100 Subject: Tim "RaHoWa' May. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106000340.00a32480@pop.useoz.com> CALL TO ANTI-RACISTS TO CONVERGE ON YORK, PA, JANUARY 12TH: SHUT DOWN THE WHITE SUPREMACISTS' RECRUITING DRIVE! This coming January 12, at 12 noon in York, PA, three white supremacist groups with ties to racist terrorism -- the World Church of the Creator, the National Alliance, and the Eastern Hammer Skins -- are planning a public meeting to capitalize off racial tensions which have been brought out recently by the prosecution of York's mayor for his role in the 1969 race riots in that town. Mayor Robertson, then an officer on the York City police force, is accused of encouraging white kids to "kill as many n----rs as you can" during the riots, and giving them ammunition which was used to kill a black woman driving through a white neighborhood. We are calling all concerned anti-racists to come out and help shut down these nazis. NEVER GIVE THE NAZIS SPACE TO ORGANIZE! No matter how radical they claim to be, white supremacists always show their true colors by siding with the police when things get heavy. The National Alliance targeted York earlier this year for a stickering campaign supporting Mayor Robertson's actions during the riots. And now three well-known fascist organizations are planning to hold a public meeting with the same message. The World Church of the Creator has been on the rise since the shooting spree undertaken by one of its members, Ben Smith, in July of 1999 (Smith targeted Asian, Black and Jewish people, killing 2 and wounding 9). After exploiting the media attention in the wake of the shooting for all it was worth, WCOTC leader Matt Hale began a campaign of holding public meetings in libraries around Central Illinois to spread his fascist ideology. These meetings are a bid to appear respectable and to bring white supremacy into the mainstream. Hale's usual language of racist slurs and calls for RaHoWa (Racial Holy War) are toned down and buried behind smooth-talking claims that the WCOTC is only interested in helping white communities. The WCOTC's shock troops of violence-prone thugs are encouraged to dress sharply to present a good public image and to refrain from violence ... for the time being. The National Alliance tends to organize more 'respectably' -- in Maryland, one of their most prominent members is a correctional officer at Hagerstown -- and are somewhat slicker about using popular white racism to build a mass movement along the lines of the original Nazi Party. They claim to have more than doubled their numbers in the past year, and were quick to turn the September 11th tragedy to their advantage, both blaming Jews and the U.S.'s support for Israel for the attack, and exploiting anti-immigrant sentiment to their own ends. In Florida, the NA recently commissioned a billboard saying, "Stop Immigration Now", and in DC, they've held two rallies at the Israeli embassy, trying to turn anti-imperialist sentiment against Israel into white-supremacist organizing here. And the fact that these two groups are now coming together with Hammerskins is especially cause for alarm. A loose organization of white supremacist "skinheads" (we put the word in quotes out of respect for anti-racist skinheads, who have often been in the front lines confronting them), Hammerskins are well-known for tracking down anti-racist organizers and beating them up (thankfully plenty of times they've more than met their match!) but generally shy away from any political organizing. While Hammerskins have often served as "security detachments" at the World Church of the Creator's events, historically the Hammerskins didn't have a lot of respect for the NA, seeing them as being too uptight, disciplined, and not active. But this has changed as the Hammers have seen the massive growth that the NA has claimed, and the energy that anti-racist activists have devoted to countering the NA's recent efforts. At a recent nazi rally in Washington, DC, a leader of the Eastern Hammer Skins yelled to the anti-racist counter-demonstrators, "Any of you gotten your asses kicked in Baltimore lately? If so, that was us!" Indeed. Whatever their game plan, none of these groups have anything whatsoever to offer, and we refuse to allow them space to spread their racist fantasies. Previous WCOTC meetings -- in Wallingford, CT and Peoria, IL, to name two -- have met with massive, determined, and forceful community opposition. The National Alliance has been consistently outnumbered, beaten with crowbars, and pelted with balloons filled with urine at their recent rallies in Washington, DC. We hope that anti-racists will similarly rise to the occasion in York and show up to stand in the way of these nazis. We insist that public humiliation is the best medicine for these fools suffering from delusions of supremacy! THE PROBLEM IS THE POLICE AND INSTITUTIONAL RACISM. The race riots began as a confrontation between a few neighborhood crews, who, following the "laws of gravity" came to pick sides along racial lines. Nothing new, gangs fight all the time. But as long as cities are divided by race and racism, conflicts based on race and racism are gonna happen. The issue at stake is that the police used the white gangs, as they had for some time, as shock troops against blacks who were turning the everyday fighting into an opportunity to make a stand against decades of abuse and oppression that showed no sign of relenting. By rallying white opposition to black insurrection, the police deflected attention and anger directed at them and kept the conflict largely in the realm of a "race war". Class war was, and is, the order of the day. At that time, few whites were ready to recognize that, but things change. WE DEMAND THAT ALL CHARGES BE DROPPED against the eight men accused of shooting Lillie Belle Allen and the two men accused of shooting officer Henry Schaad. While the outcome of the 1969 riots is still felt by many in York, especially the families of the victims, the healing process won't be helped by dragging these people through trials at this point. They were, all of them, really just kids caught up in fighting a war they had no part in making. Why is it that the only "justice" the state offers is the chance to ruin more lives? But Mayor Robertson's role is something completely different. He (and how many of his fellow police officers?), armed and provoked a group of white teenagers to kill blacks. Lillie Belle Allen, an unarmed black woman in the wrong place at the wrong time, became their victim. By all acounts, the city's police force was (and largely still is) up to its neck in white-supremacist attitudes. THE ONLY WAY FOR YORK TO DEAL WITH THE PAST IS TO FULLY INVESTIGATE POLICE AND CITY GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN THE RIOTS, AND TO EXPOSE ONGOING RACIST PRACTICES AND POLICIES BY THE CITY AND THE POLICE. Until this is done, we have no guarantee that this situation will not happen again. The social barriers that separate whites, blacks, and Puerto Ricans can be and are being broken down, but only if the people are allowed to deal with their own conflicts without being played against each other by a racist police force which maintains its own power by "dividing and conquering." If there was one lesson to be had from the riots it was "Don't trust the po-lice." NEVER MIND THE BUREAUCRATS! The Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission, the same state agency which has called Anti-Racist Action a "hate group" in the past, seems to feel that the best way to deal with groups like the World Church of the Creator is ignore them at the same time that they provide them space to meet, organize and recruit, even when that means closing the town library to residents and spending tax money on a massive police presence to protect a small and irrelevant group of neo-nazis from the consequences of their hate. The Pennsylvania state government is the last place we'd look for advice on fighting racism. The state has no real interest in stopping nazis from organizing. They're happy just as long as everything stays in the bounds of "law and order". But government officials don't have to deal with nazi attacks or the effects of racist organizing in their communities. WE BELIEVE THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE OF ALL RACES AND NATIONALITIES face similar problems, and can work through those problems together when the racist government and their fascist supporters don't interfere. White power groups are free to preach their cross-eyed idiocy and we're free to stand in their way. WE WILL SHUT DOWN THE NAZIS! From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 05:10:37 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:10:37 +1100 Subject: 10 worst Corps. of 2001,I cant believe Monsanto missed out. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106000904.00ab1c50@pop.useoz.com> The Ten Worst Corporations of 2001 by Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman In a year marked not only by the now-standard forms of corporate marauding but also by brazen wartime profiteering, it was no easy chore to identify Multinational Monitor's 10 corporations of 2001. The competition was even tougher than usual. But choices had to be made. And now decisions have been reached. Multinational Monitor has named Abbott Laboratories, Argenbright, Bayer, Coke, Enron, Exxon Mobil, Philip Morris, Sara Lee, Southern Co. and Wal-Mart as the 10 worst corporations of 2001 Appearing in alphabetical order, the 10 worst are: Abbott Laboratories, for its TAP Pharmaceuticals, a joint venture with Japanese Takeda Pharmaceuticals. TAP was forced to pay $875 million to resolve criminal charges and civil liability in connection with allegations of major Medicare reimbursement fraud. Among other alleged fraudulent activities, as a way of hooking doctors on prescribing Lupron, its prostate cancer drug, TAP gave doctors free samples and then encouraged doctors to bill Medicare for the free samples. Argenbright, the security company, for repeat violations of regulations for airport security. Argenbright's appalling record -- including violations of security rules it had been caught breaking just a year earlier -- helped convince Congress to federalize U.S. airport security operations. Bayer, for its overcharge of the government and public for the anti-anthrax drug Cipro, based on a patent monopoly that may well be improperly maintained by virtue of a collusive arrangement with a generic manufacturer. Bayer also secured a place on the 10 worst list for its dangerous peddling of antibiotics for poultry (contributing to antibiotic resistance among humans) and its harassment of a German watchdog group, Coalition Against Bayer Dangers, for maintaining a BayerWatch.com website. Coca Cola, for its sponsorship of the first Harry Potter movie and possible sequels, using a children's favorite to hawks its unhealthy product, and for alleged complicity with death squads in Colombia targeting union leaders there. Enron, for costing many of its employees their life savings by refusing to let them dump company stock from their pension plans, as Enron plunged toward bankruptcy. ExxonMobil, for leading the global warming denial campaign (even O'Dwyer's a leading rag of the public relations industry, has chastised the company for its "stubborn refusal to acknowledge the fact that burning fossil fuels has a role in global warming") and blocking efforts at appropriate remedial action, plus a host of other reckless activities. Philip Morris, for its "we've changed" marketing campaign -- revealed to be a hoax by a Czech study it commissioned alleging cost savings from smoking-related premature deaths, as well as the company's ongoing efforts to addict millions of new smokers. Sara Lee, for a scandal involving its Ball Park Franks hot dogs. Listeria-contaminated Ball Park Franks killed 21 and seriously injured 100 in 1998. In 2001, with civil and criminal litigation around the case heating up, the Detroit Free Press reported that Sara Lee stopped performing tests for bacteria after it started recording too many positives. The U.S. attorney, which handled prosecution of the criminal case, insists Sara Lee did not know about the presence of listeria in its hot dogs. In an extraordinary move, the U.S. attorney issued a joint press release with Sara Lee announcing settlement of the case. The final tally: 21 dead. A misdemeanor plea. A $200,000 fine. Southern Co., the largest electric utility in the United States, for its efforts to defeat sensible air pollution regulations. Southern is a heavy user of coal, and leads the fight to maintain a ridiculous "grandfather" clause in the U.S. Clean Air Act, which exempts power plants built before 1970 from Clean Air Act standards. Wal-Mart, for continuing to source products from overseas sweatshops, for viciously battling efforts to unionize any fraction of its workforce (the largest in the United States, among private employers), and for contributing to the sprawl that blights the U.S. landscape. For a complete version of Multinational Monitor's article naming the 10 worst corporations of 2001, see www.essential.org/monitor. Russell Mokhiber is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime Reporter. Robert Weissman is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Multinational Monitor. They are co-authors of Corporate Predators: The Hunt for MegaProfits and the Attack on Democracy (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1999; http://www.corporatepredators.org) From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 05:18:52 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:18:52 +1100 Subject: Yearly underreported news round up. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106001803.00ab1040@pop.useoz.com> * Antitrust law is history. Meanwhile, the local press quoted Microsoft's lawyers ad nauseam and reported on how badly rich peoples' stock options are suffering. * Energy privatization is dead. Several states put on hold or canceled their plans to privatize utilities after California's mess showed what privatization really means: Taxpayers take it in the shorts. * Massive protests greeted George Bush's January inauguration. Protesters overwhelmed key points on the Pennsylvania Avenue inaugural parade route, and TV cameras carefully avoided those areas, the fences surrounding the parade route, or any acknowledgement of public anger over last December's coup d'itat. * Bush and the Republicans have shamelessly used the Sept. 11 tragedy to try to push through reactionary legislation. The list is long, as is the list of assaults on the Bill of Rights for those "suspected" of being terrorists, and anyone else in the general vicinity. How bad is it? Spain is refusing to extradite terrorist suspects because of Bush's military courts. When the land of Franco and the Spanish inquisition is lecturing the U.S. on due process, you'd think there's a story afoot. * Bush's $300 tax rebates weren't rebates at all. That $300 will simply go on your new tax bill instead. The government is getting every penny from you it originally expected to; the "rebate" was a cheap accounting trick to divert attention from huge, permanent cuts for the wealthy. Most news reports obediently parroted the fraud. Meanwhile, Dubya's tax cut was a "stimulus" flop long before Sept. 11, but as Congress now considers yet another such plan, that story, too, is conspicuously absent. * For weeks, only The Wall Street Journal has reliably and repeatedly reported that the anthrax spores found in three letters to congressmen are a U.S. weapons-grade variety. Once anthrax attacks didn't fit the Osama bin Laden narrative, the investigation vanished from news programs. * Gore won Florida. The exhaustive media recount finally released last month concluded that if all legally cast votes in all of Florida's counties had been counted in 2000, Al Gore would be president. Inexplicably, media accounts almost uniformly spun the study as vindicating Bush's victory. * Finally, so many aspects of our Afghan invasion were reported extensively worldwide, except here, that it's impossible to pick among them. American media distinguished themselves by avoiding actual field reporting in favor of a bizarre alternate universe of White House and Pentagon briefings and spin. Among our Pravda- esque domestic media's almost verboten topics: new post-Sept. 11 support for dictators, Afghan civilian deaths, CIA training of bin Laden, long-term military strategy, oil politics, the Carlyle Group, Saudi connections to terrorism, nuclear proliferation and the ABM treaty, or why it is much of the world views the U.S. as a rogue--even terrorist--state. From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 05:23:16 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:23:16 +1100 Subject: Open Source Intelligence site Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106002126.00ab1820@pop.useoz.com> http://news.openflows.org/article.pl?sid=01/12/28/1521239&mode=thread jya. Welcome to News via OpenFlows! We're just getting started, but this site should be developing rapidly, and we're already posting several stories a day, so come back often. Our first feature is coverage of the ongoing Napster legal dispute, which we feel represents a number of issues relevant to Understanding the Network Society... Our second feature revolves around the tragic events of Sept 11th 2001. We can't help but collect and archive documents relating to this cataclysmic intersection of space and time. Here @openflows.org we're involved in deep-sea diving admidst the information flood acting as a high-speed early warning system that engages pattern recognition on all scales. We're neither fauna nor flora, but are quite alive, conducting collaborative filtering, that we hope you'll enjoy and even engage! From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 05:28:42 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:28:42 +1100 Subject: Orange crush Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106002608.00ab2eb0@pop.useoz.com> Agent orange news in Nam... http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=01/12/31/3456415 Scientists investigating the effects of Agent Orange in Vietnam have found that people living in a so-called hotspot have the highest blood levels of its poisonous chemical dioxin ever recorded in the country. Agent Orange, which has the dioxin (TCDD - short for 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin) as one of its constituents, was last used in 1973. But today, some residents of Binh-Hoa, near Ho Chi Minh City, have 200 times the normal amount of dioxin in their bloodstreams. Agent Orange was widely used by the US military during the Vietnam War as a defoliant so that Vietnam's dense jungle could not provide cover for Viet Cong forces. 'Startling' results It was when US veterans started to become ill with a variety of health problems that investigations suggested that Agent Orange could be involved. The most dangerous ingredient was the dioxin, a pollutant that stays in the environment for decades. There are still about 12 dioxin hotspots in Vietnam, in areas where very heavy spraying took place. (cont) Page 1 breaking news is apparent discovery of highly toxic batch in WA.(ex vietnam)Deaths suspected. From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 05:41:20 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:41:20 +1100 Subject: Bill Gates assassination politech. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106003340.00ab4d80@pop.useoz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23552.html Life imitates art...we hope. In Buffalo, New York, eighty-two inches of snow fell during a three-day period last week. The townspeople began to dig out almost at once. They leave their shovels by the doors in Buffalo, and a recent Washington Post article made note of why. It's so they can shove the front door open just an inch or two against the tonnage of snow, and pull the shovel inside, from whence they begin to dig outward and uncover the world once again. In a New Year, having experienced a blizzard of destruction and death ... On blacknet they are screaming for intell on leveraging this dump to create havoc...ideas? From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 05:51:58 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:51:58 +1100 Subject: Well done comrades Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106004758.00ab4b00@pop.useoz.com> ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) - A freight train derailed Sunday afternoon, spilling thousands of gallons of chemicals that ignited in a fireball, authorities said. Two nearby houses were heavily damaged. At least seven of the 42 cars of the CSX Corp. jumped the rails around 3:30 p.m. in Charlotte, a suburb north of Rochester. Two tankers containing methylene chloride and acetone leaked and caught fire, said Fire Capt. Dan McBride. Part of the train crashed into a house, and another nearby house caught fire soon afterward. No one in the homes was hurt, McBride said. There was no immediate word whether the chemicals posed environmental or health dangers. No one had been evacuated as of 5 p.m., but officials opened a school for residents unable to get to their homes. Plumes of black smoke could be seen more than 10 miles away, and witness Sharon Connolly said she saw a huge ball of flame. "I saw the cars fly in the air. There was an explosion," she told the Democrat and Chronicle of Rochester. Officials said the fire had been contained by early evening. The train originated from Rochester, said CSX spokesman Bob Sullivan. The chemicals, used in making photographic film, were being delivered to an Eastman Kodak plant. "We're working with local authorities to make sure this thing gets resolved safely and quickly," Sullivan said. An engineer, who was not immediately identified, jumped from the train as it tipped, McBride said. The engineer was treated at a hospital for minor injuries. The conductor, the only other person on board, was not injured. Meanwhile on the west coast,Tim May,disguised as a militia warrior,got back from a weekend of rolfing and high colonics at a famous North Cali health retreat.Quoted as "trying to eliminate all free radicals."May did not look well. From info at nutritionzone.com Sun Jan 6 01:02:32 2002 From: info at nutritionzone.com (Nutrition Zone) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:02:32 -0800 Subject: Healthy and Fit for 2002 Message-ID: <20020105123440141112.122014@CoolerEmail.com> Let us here at NutritionZone help you achieve your New Year Resolutions. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1256 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lwp at mail.msen.com Sat Jan 5 23:45:13 2002 From: lwp at mail.msen.com (Lou Poppler) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:45:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Untraceable money now more than ever! Message-ID: What ever happened to that previous Tim May, who used to extol the virtues of regular ASCII email and would twit those who sent messages in various wierd whiz-bang formats ? This new Tim May is obviously an imposter, sending 2 copies of the same message within one email, encrufted in ways that look like crap on my studiously obsolete MUA: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:50:24 -0800, Tim May wrote: > Received: from got.net (beholder.got.net [207.111.232.12]) > by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA21501 > for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:38:28 -0600 > Received: (qmail 29809 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 16:50:17 -0000 > Received: from 66-81-21-86-modem.o1.com (HELO localhost) (66.81.21.86) > by always.got.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 16:50:18 -0000 > Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--887346911 > From: Tim May > To: cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com > Message-Id: <02E4A9C4-E8D7-11D5-9093-0050E439C473 at got.net> > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) > > --Apple-Mail-2--887346911 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=ISO-8859-2; > format=flowed > > Or, "Why We Fight." [ Snip body of message, first copy ] > "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third=20 > hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're=20= > > around." --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet > > --Apple-Mail-2--887346911 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/enriched; > charset=ISO-8859-2 > > Or, "Why We Fight." [ Snip Tim's introductory comment ] > Read it and stoke your righteous anger: > > > --begin article-- > > PalatinoThis was in today's > Washington Post. Check it out at [ Snip 2nd copy of article ] > > > --end article-- > > > > > --Tim May > > "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third > hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while > they're around." --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet= > > --Apple-Mail-2--887346911-- > From cellular.reseller at alloymail.com Sat Jan 5 19:22:35 2002 From: cellular.reseller at alloymail.com (cellular.reseller at alloymail.com) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:22:35 +0000 Subject: Discount Cellular Long Distance Reseller Opportunity - Residual Income! Message-ID: <0GPI008F2CNIVI@mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1244 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cellular.reseller at alloymail.com Sat Jan 5 19:26:37 2002 From: cellular.reseller at alloymail.com (cellular.reseller at alloymail.com) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:26:37 +0000 Subject: Discount Cellular Long Distance Reseller Opportunity - Residual Income! Message-ID: <0GPI0081BCU8TX@mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1248 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 08:53:30 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:53:30 +1100 Subject: NETWAR:Attack of the Hooligans Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106034813.00ab0880@pop.useoz.com> ...the combatants come from bomb-making terrorist groups like Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda, or drug smuggling cartels like those in Colombia and Mexico. On the positive side are civil-society activists fighting for the environment, democracy and human rights. What all have in common is that they operate in small, dispersed units that can deploy anywhere, anytime to penetrate and disrupt. They all feature network forms of organization, doctrine, strategy, and technology attuned to the information age. And, from the Intifadah to the drug war, they are proving very hard to beat. Extract from http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1382/ Check out chapter 4,It's a Killer. "Encryption can pose potentially insurmountable challenges to law enforcement when used in conjunction with communication or plans for executing serious terrorist and criminal acts." From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 09:06:22 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 04:06:22 +1100 Subject: Retreat to Hoth Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106040158.00ab3890@pop.useoz.com> The fight for the future makes daily headlines. Its battles are not between the armies of leading states, nor are its weapons the large, expensive tanks, planes and fleets of regular armed forces. Rather, the combatants come from violent terrorist networks like Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda, drug cartels like those in Colombia and Mexico, and militant anarchists like the Black Bloc that fought back during the Battle of Seattle. Other protagonists - ones who often benefit U.S. interests - are networked civil-society activists fighting for democracy and human rights around the world. From the Battle of Seattle to the "attack on America," these networks are proving very hard to deal with; some are winning. What all have in common is that they operate in small, dispersed units that can deploy nimbly - anywhere, anytime. All feature network forms of organization, doctrine, strategy, and technology attuned to the information age. They know how to swarm and disperse, penetrate and disrupt, as well as elude and evade. The tactics they use range from battles of ideas to acts of sabotage - and many tactics involve the Internet. So far, across this new landscape of conflict, the edge has gone to the networks. Hierarchy-oriented states must learn to transform themselves along networked lines, or they will face the increasingly daunting prospect of struggling against a rising tide of both civil and uncivil networks enabled, and impelled forward, by the information revolution. "Punk was much more than fad or fashion; it demonstrated the fractal effect in culture, showing how small events, the acts of a few people, can cause ripples around the world." From cellular.reseller at alloymail.com Sat Jan 5 20:11:22 2002 From: cellular.reseller at alloymail.com (cellular.reseller at alloymail.com) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 04:11:22 +0000 Subject: Discount Cellular Long Distance Reseller Opportunity - Residual Income! Message-ID: <0GPI007ATEWVNM@mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1252 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cellular.reseller at alloymail.com Sat Jan 5 20:21:06 2002 From: cellular.reseller at alloymail.com (cellular.reseller at alloymail.com) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 04:21:06 +0000 Subject: Discount Cellular Long Distance Reseller Opportunity - Residual Income! Message-ID: <0GPI00E9MFD16G@mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1248 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 09:22:01 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 04:22:01 +1100 Subject: Torture testing. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106041123.00ab1eb0@pop.useoz.com> The strongest networks will be those in which the organizational design is sustained by a winning story and a well-defined doctrine, and in which all this is layered atop advanced communications systems and rests on strong personal and social ties at the base. Each level, and the overall design, may benefit from redundancy and diversity. Each level's characteristics are likely to affect those of the other levels. These are not idle academic issues. Getting a network form "right" - like getting a hierarchical or market form "right" - can be a delicate enterprise. For practitioners trying to organize a new network or adjust one that already exists, various options may merit consideration - and their assessment should assure that all the organizational, narrative, doctrinal, technological, and social levels are well-designed and integrated. This applies to netwar and counternetwar actors across the spectrum. However, our discussion emphasizes evidence from social netwar actors, mainly activist NGOs, because they have been more open and expressive than have terrorist, criminal, and other violent, secretive actors. The discussion draws on some of the cases presented in our new book, but also affords an opportunity to bring in other recent examples. Each of these levels of analysis deserves more elaboration than we give here. Our goals are to get people to think in these terms and point the way, even though we cannot pretend to offer final methodological guidance. APster might be considered roughly to be at the stage where Stallman,torvalds and Cox were at with kernel testing early 90's.(Rebel Code) Section 25,paragraph 18 is now strictly enforced,"need to know."kill the president. From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 09:34:36 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 04:34:36 +1100 Subject: People for a Free World. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106042939.00ab1c30@pop.useoz.com> Bastille day Blitzkreig. 10 July 2002, 12:04 PDT This time it is real. The great cyberwar has begun. I am sure of it. I have decided to record whatever happens here because I am certain that one of the many scenarios I have studied over the past decade is now taking place. Two days ago the following message was posted anonymously and with great craftiness on several commercial news sites: CONT. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.02/cyberwar.html?topic=hacking_warez&topic_set=newtechnology "It is often the case that one can most readily learn about society by watching its reactions, across the spectrum, to those who would challenge it."Revolution cannot be non-violent or pacifist. It is a political act of violence aimed against the ruling elite to overthrow them just as the revolutions of the past were, history reminds us. It is political ignorance to believe that you can have a revolution without the use of political violence. ''Someone has got to do the things no one else wants to do.'' From cellular.reseller at alloymail.com Sat Jan 5 20:50:59 2002 From: cellular.reseller at alloymail.com (cellular.reseller at alloymail.com) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 04:50:59 +0000 Subject: Discount Cellular Long Distance Reseller Opportunity - Residual Income! Message-ID: <0GPI00ABXGQU2Z@mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1248 bytes Desc: not available URL: From georgemw at speakeasy.net Sun Jan 6 07:18:32 2002 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:18:32 -0800 Subject: explicit govt monopoly rent-seeking (law abuse) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20020105234721.032bcb80@idiom.com> References: <77D8B7B3-0221-11D6-9D06-00306577F12E@bounty.org> Message-ID: <3C37FA48.26523.1E107033@localhost> On 5 Jan 2002, at 23:59, Bill Stewart wrote: > Most state governments also give you a breakdown on the things that > they spend the money on (with usually some weasel-words to avoid > indicating that it's proceeds from scamming suckers. > Usually the establishment of the lottery was justified to the voters > by saying they'd spend the money on schools and old people; > usually the actual spending is mostly for prisons (to keep > druggies and gamblers in) and other disreputable things. > Generally, asking questions like "where does the state spend lottery money on" is committing an error. If the sate gets more money earmarked for a specific pirpose, it spends less from general revenue for that purpose. Essentially, it's all general revenue. > Also, the Mafia doesn't hypocritically claim that they're > forbidding other people to run lotteries because they're immoral; > they may claim that they're doing it because "this is *my* territory". I think states do the same thing. Certainly in those states where the staes run the liquor stores they must admit that they keep their monopoly 1) for the money and 2) because they can. I think the real differences are 1) the mafia gives a much better payoff and 2) the state advertises the hell out of the lottery and sell their tickets everywhere. Therefore, the state ropes in a lot of suckers that probably aren't as inclined to gamble, whereas the mafia pretty much only gets fools who are dtermined to gamble. > Of course, both of them let the Catholic Church and Fire Departments > run bingo games. And at least back when I lived in New Jersey, > we didn't get a state lottery until the Mafia agreed that > it was ok to run it if the payoff was a lot worse than their Daily Number. > (Mafia payoff was 60%; State was usually 50%.) > I have a hard time believing the numbers are anywhere near this close. I think 40% is probably a more realistic number for state lotteries that 50%, and as for the mafia, 60% seems incredibly low. Nobody would go to a bookie that gave less than 90% payoff, and casino-style games tend to have like 97% payoff. > On the other hand, Teri Gross on NPR was doing an interview with > somebody who'd written a book about the current Philadelphia mob. > Apparently, the concept of honor is long gone, even among the > younger members of the old Italian families. And not only no honor, > but not really even any style as a substitute. Buncha crude thugs, > got no respect for nobody. > > Comes with assimilation I guess. George From jya at pipeline.com Sun Jan 6 08:20:48 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:20:48 -0800 Subject: Faustine's paranoia index (or: mindless OT bickering) In-Reply-To: <200201060259.g062xe127640@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> Message-ID: Faustine's right that there is far too much effort wasted here on trying to control what gets posted, or should or shouldn't be, rather than improve the quality of the discourse and encourage new voices, in particular those different from one's own, and most especially different from one's pack-howling. But then there's pleasure in watching the establishment get dissed by disbelievers, and the attempts of guardians of the commons to police what's not theirs exclusively to rule. Professors get beat by students, get used to it. Filtering the painful truth aids embellishing the glory days to fans who seek security from tough auto-love masters. Feynmann was exceptional for laughing at himself, for demonstrating nothing kills imagination like pride and vainglory. Einstein was good at self-deprecation too. Perhaps that is the message cpunk genius CJ offered that authoritarians are compelled to filter, murderously by gun-enforced imprisonment and banishment from the forum, so destabilizable are the certain-minded by ridicule, especially when so well deserved. From jya at pipeline.com Sun Jan 6 08:26:43 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:26:43 -0800 Subject: Precursors Message-ID: "Bob was a serious, often melancholy boy. He loved clandestine matters -- one of his favorite books was The Codebreakers by David Kahn. "Pick up a book on spies, and run through the list, and he had some interest in it," said a friend." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59130-2002Jan3.html ----- What if Africa had colonized America First? One of America's bestselling black science fiction writers asks the forbidden question in LION'S BLOOD, a Warner/Aspect novel. ## "Devastating"--Octavia Butler "An epic, daring alternate-universe novel that is both a page-turning adventure story and a work that raises the stakes for speculative fiction"--Charles Johnson ## Order now from Amazon, or for more information, go to: www.lionsblood.com ----- From tcmay at got.net Sun Jan 6 10:15:03 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:15:03 -0800 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4E213D27-02D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Sunday, January 6, 2002, at 08:20 AM, John Young wrote: > Faustine's right that there is far too much effort wasted here > on trying to control what gets posted, or should or shouldn't > be, rather than improve the quality of the discourse and encourage > new voices, in particular those different from one's own, and > most especially different from one's pack-howling. > > You mean like your foaming-at-the-mouth denunciations of Declan and others? Odd, this, considering how much material you volunteered at Bell 2. You mean like your Toto-emulating incomprehensible ramblings? By the way, calling CJ Parker a "genius" is the strangest thing I've read in a long while. He fits the pattern we're now seeing with mattd, and that we saw in the past with Detweiler and Vulis. And that we often see with your own posts, John. Namely, a mix of schizophrenia, dyslexia, paranoia, and Tourette's Syndrome. Some are more dyslexic than others, and it's likely that with some the word juxtapositions and malapropisms are completely intentional. I used to thing folks were trying to emulate Detweiler, then Toto. Now I'm thinking there's some common miswiring in the brains of these folks. --Tim May "That government is best which governs not at all." --Henry David Thoreau From tcmay at got.net Sun Jan 6 11:17:34 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:17:34 -0800 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <09E6D272-02DA-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Sunday, January 6, 2002, at 01:41 PM, John Young wrote: > There are many voices and styles of discourse, and to be sure > a variety of ways to moderate by intimidation and ridicule and > proclaiming the one true way to do it without seeming to. > > Different strokes, differing anarchies, and archies pretending > otherwise. That is what makes this commons more interesting > than the closed salons. Which by no means precluded all the > vile behavior each of us foams about as if not a practitioner. > > I miss the variety of serious and humorous discourse of Detweiler, > Vulis, Toto, Perry, Gilmore, Sandy, Harry Hawk, Eric Hughes, > come to think of it, a whole collection of accused misfits here, Perry left because we were not staid enough. He formed his own moderated group. Sandy posts in bursts, vanishing for several months, then returning. Harry Shapiro/Hawk I have never seen on this list. Maybe a couple of posts in the early days, but I doubt it. I think you are confusing this list with Extropians, where he was once a frequent poster. John Gilmore was also never a frequent poster, as any check of the archives will show. He posted infrequently in 1992-4, and almost not at all since then. Occasionally he forwards articles he's published elsewhere. Longing for the good ole days is one thing, but longing for a past that was never there is just silly. As for Detweiler and Vulis, they contributed little of use, and reams of noise. Someone told me recently that Detweiler has surfaced in another forum, ranting about something weird. Vulis seems to have vanished from the face of the earth. > --Tim May "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." --Samuel Adams From dog3 at eruditium.org Sun Jan 6 10:12:09 2002 From: dog3 at eruditium.org (cubic-dog) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:12:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Orange crush In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106002608.00ab2eb0@pop.useoz.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, mattd wrote: > Agent orange news in Nam... > http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=01/12/31/3456415 > > Scientists investigating the effects of Agent Orange in Vietnam have found > that people living in a so-called hotspot have the highest blood levels of > its poisonous chemical dioxin ever recorded in the country. > Agent Orange, which has the dioxin (TCDD - short for > 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin) as one of its constituents, was last > used in 1973. Agent Orange is a 1-124-1 mixture of n-butyl esters, 245T 2-4-5-trichlorophenoxacetic acid (C8,H5,Cl3,O3), and 24D 2-4-dichloro-phenoxacetic acid (C8,H6,Cl2,O3). TCDD or, 2-3-7-8-tetrachlorodibenzo-P-dioxin (C12,H4,Cl4,O2), is a CONTAMINATE artifact of the heat exchangers used in the reaction process not a constituent as so often stated. None of this stuff is what any of us want in our dinner salad, however the differences between 245T,24D the most researched herbicides in the world and TCDD are huge. Currently, aside from dioxin like pcbs (which are no longer manufactured in the US, and wouldn't be around at all hardly if it weren't for the americans and computer users love of electricity and plastic lawn furniture) the only real use of dioxin is in bleaching paper pulp. The understanding of dioxin is still incomplete and with all the new studies in gene research on, folks are learning some pretty interesting stuff about some theoretical benificial capabilities of dioxin. In the short term, it's abilities to bind up lipophilic chemicals so they can be pissed out as urine, and in the long run, as a vector for non intrusive reprogramming of cells. Chlorinated herbicides have been around since the late 1800s, and have litterally made all the difference in the abilities to produce food in the last century. While the ability to produce food in the 20th century has produced all kinds of new global problems, and food is still used as a political tool, the problems of world wide starvation are problems of politics, not agriculture. The techology exists, and chemicals like 24D and 245T are among the reasons why. Bad shit happened in the land of bad things to a lot of people. I've lost friends, close friends, to health proplems resulting from exposure to agent orange, so I don't take this lightly. If the herbicide had been manufactured with a priority on quality instead of the usual gov focus on low bid and quantity, it is at least conceivable that this horror wouldn't be facing those folks now. As far as I know the only controlled studies done on agent orange were done by the principle contractor Dow chemical, and the studies were done in Midland Michigan. Those studies pointed heavily at TCDD contamination. As far as I know, those studies have not been refuted. I am not a biochemist, and I don't even play one on TV, but I do know how to read, and I wish that if folks wanted to report on this stuff, they would get their facts straight. > But today, some residents of Binh-Hoa, near Ho Chi Minh City, have 200 > times the normal amount of dioxin in their bloodstreams. > Agent Orange was widely used by the US military during the Vietnam War as a > defoliant so that Vietnam's dense jungle could not provide cover for Viet > Cong forces. > 'Startling' results > It was when US veterans started to become ill with a variety of health > problems that investigations suggested that Agent Orange could be involved. > The most dangerous ingredient was the dioxin, a pollutant that stays in the > environment for decades. > There are still about 12 dioxin hotspots in Vietnam, in areas where very > heavy spraying took place. (cont) > > Page 1 breaking news is apparent discovery of highly toxic batch in WA.(ex > vietnam)Deaths suspected. From rahettinga at earthlink.net Sun Jan 6 10:39:03 2002 From: rahettinga at earthlink.net (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:39:03 -0500 Subject: Orange crush In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 1:12 PM -0500 on 1/6/02, cubic-dog wrote: > the only real use of dioxin is > in bleaching paper pulp. In particular, *recycled* paper pulp. An irony is a terrible thing to waste, whether one believes that dioxin is as bad stuff as ostensibly "environmental" socialist fearmongers are wont to say, or not... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From jya at pipeline.com Sun Jan 6 13:41:03 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:41:03 -0800 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd In-Reply-To: <4E213D27-02D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> References: Message-ID: There are many voices and styles of discourse, and to be sure a variety of ways to moderate by intimidation and ridicule and proclaiming the one true way to do it without seeming to. Different strokes, differing anarchies, and archies pretending otherwise. That is what makes this commons more interesting than the closed salons. Which by no means precluded all the vile behavior each of us foams about as if not a practitioner. I miss the variety of serious and humorous discourse of Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, Perry, Gilmore, Sandy, Harry Hawk, Eric Hughes, come to think of it, a whole collection of accused misfits here, or could it be the misfits are still here accusing. Doesn't matter in the long run. Even unwarranted accusations have a place in the foaming, could be that's what mouths were made for. Tim is best funny, way out humor, borderline breached, thin skinned reactionary. Western civ. From petro at bounty.org Sun Jan 6 14:07:25 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:07:25 -0800 Subject: Choices of small handguns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 2, 2002, at 09:41 AM, Matthew Gaylor wrote: > At 1:05 AM -0800 1/2/02, Petro wrote: >> The squeeze cock is activated as you draw/grasp the weapon. If >> the burglar is close enough to hear that he is going to notice your >> movement. > > Right...like in a darkened bedroom as you crouch down waiting for your > attacker... Stop and think through this a second. First of all, the click is fairly quiet, much lower in volume than say--stroking a a pump shotgun, or racking the slide--along the lines of, say, opening a safe or gun locker? Second, what makes you aware that there is someone in your home? Usually it's noises they are making (I would assume). Have you ever listened to your house at night? Every place I've lived there are all sorts of mechanical noises off and on all night long. Refrigerator coming on, heating (or cooling) units kicking on and off, creaking from the wind blowing, the tick of a clock, the whirr of computers running (well, in my home). The subtle click of the cocker engaging will (a) be lost in the other noises and (b) is innocuous enough that they probably won't. If it was something I worried about (I don't keep a loaded firearm in the house for home protection at this point, I'm not high enough profile for the Feebs or the BATF to want to raid my "compound", nor am I a sufficient irritant to the local Gestapo, and my neighborhood is relative free of home burglary/home invasion type crimes that I feel it is better to keep the guns in a locker than on my bedside table) I would simply put the gun under a pillow to muffle the noise further, engage the cocker and start hunting. There are other techniques that you can use to to either mask, or render irrelevant the click, you can wait until you're bringing the pistol online for firing to cock it (squeeze the cocker as part of the final presentation), or as Black Uni noted, one can squeeze the trigger first, then engage the cocker (although this would take a bit of practice). But you have a valid question in: >The squeeze cocker is a solution for a non-existent problem. Do you really think a P7 is intrinsically safer >than a Sig226 which has no operator manipulated safety? While I *like* the squeeze cocker for various reasons, It's not the #1 feature I like in that firearm. My reasons for choosing the firearm, from most important to the utterly trivial and pretty silly are: (1) It feels good it my hand, and seems to "point" much better for me (this is a function of ergonomics, and will vary for different people). (2) The barrel is fixed to the frame, and sits low in the frame reducing muzzle flip and allowing for *much* faster followup shots. (3) Reliable sturdy construction of both firearm and magazines (the factory mags are very sturdy and take a lot of abuse). (4) Compact size and relatively flat sides making for a more comfortable conceal carry piece, if I ever wind up doing so. (5) Nifty squeeze cocker that is much faster to access as a slide release than a frame or slide mounted release. Yes, that lever serves multiple functions, it cocks the weapon and serves as a slide release, you don't have to move your hand, change your grip on the weapon, or use your other hand to release the slide, just get a grip. (6) Nifty gas action (though subject to fouling). (7) Not very common. Everyone has a glock or a 1911 clone, booooring. (yes, I said utterly trivial and pretty silly). > Having a weapon that goes click clack is a detriment. All weapons go click clack, it's just a question of when. I'm not knocking the Sig, it's a great gun, but I'd bet with a little research and time I could come up with some minor nits about it to blow up all out of proportion to the weapons utility and ablities. -- "I am sorry that some live in a fantasy world where guns are not appropriate. I only hope that your fantasy is not ripped to shreds when someone you love is killed and all you can do is offer the assailent another target." - dzimmerm, on kuro5hin From rahettinga at EarthLink.Net Sun Jan 6 11:28:40 2002 From: rahettinga at EarthLink.Net (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:28:40 -0500 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd In-Reply-To: <4E213D27-02D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> References: <4E213D27-02D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: At 10:15 AM -0800 on 1/6/02, Tim May wrote, once again making me spew my poor PBG3 with second-hand caffeine: > You mean like your foaming-at-the-mouth denunciations > You mean like your Toto-emulating incomprehensible ramblings? >Namely, a mix of schizophrenia, dyslexia, paranoia, and Tourette's Syndrome. > I used to thing folks were trying to emulate Detweiler, then Toto. Now > I'm thinking there's some common miswiring in the brains of these folks. Physician, heal thyself? :-) I'm sorry for laughing, Tim, because, having met you and John, I like you both very much. However, the above round of name calling on your part is funny to read -- laughing out loud funny -- coming from you. Face it Tim, at this point -- if it was ever really much else, even when what was said on this list had an actual effect on the world -- most of us here on cypherpunks just are middle-aged old farts with nothing better to do than sit around a moribund email list fulminating at the world and each other. The rest of us are either the recently unemployed (or permanently unemployable by choice. Those that aren't students, graduate or otherwise, trying to solve the all the problems of the universe with simple technological solutions. Sometimes, they're even people thinking they're going to come here and learn about cryptography after discovering, for the first time, what the social consequences of its use might be. Of course, those people, especially those with paying jobs, won't stay too long, unless they fit in the other categories, grouchy old fart, starry-eyed student, or is-it-shelled-mister layabout. As for paranoid schizophrenia, Tim, least Dr. Nash's beautiful mind won a prize or two before seeing a spook behind every Bush. Oh, well. Genius is a genius does, I suppose. Rave on, gentlemen. This watering hole's still only half muddy, so far... Cheers, RAH (Grouchy old pot calling a kettle black, of course...) (Charter member, logorrheacs nyminous, with foaming mouth cluster) ("Don't give Mongo Ritalin, it only makes him mADDer...") -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From faustine. at hushmail.com Sun Jan 6 14:47:34 2002 From: faustine. at hushmail.com (faustine. at hushmail.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:47:34 -0800 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd Message-ID: <200201062247.g06MlYm04731@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 6677 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bill.stewart at pobox.com Sun Jan 6 15:23:36 2002 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:23:36 -0800 Subject: Future Gnu's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20020106151844.03349ae0@idiom.com> At 07:24 PM 01/03/2002 -0600, measl at mfn.org wrote: > > Spare your breath. The only way to shut up someone with a mental condition > > is to kick him off the list, to leave the list, or use filtering. > >Can't we just kick him: period? What you do on your own time is your business :-) Meanwhile, it's an open list, and procmail, Eudora, Outlook, Pine, and probably even Netscape have mail filters, so you can auto-ignore people you don't want to see. Or you can encourage them by replying to all their posts, so they'll keep on ranting. Your choice.... One of the helpful things Detweiler did was get us thinking about the necessity for mail filters before the Spam wave hit and before the September That Never Ended swamped Usenet, though of course killfiles had been around for a decade or more. From blancw at cnw.com Sun Jan 6 16:59:58 2002 From: blancw at cnw.com (Blanc) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:59:58 -0800 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd In-Reply-To: <200201062247.g06MlYm04731@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> Message-ID: >From Faustine's quote of The Mask of Sanity: Interspersed in Cleckley's vivid clinical descriptions are phrases such as "shrewdness and agility of mind," "talks entertainingly," and "exceptional charm" . . . ----------------- Well, Tim, 2 out of 3 isn't bad. Or - wooops - maybe this is about Detweiler . . . .. Blanc From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 5 22:28:40 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 17:28:40 +1100 Subject: Queers are Revolting. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106172225.00a2c010@pop.useoz.com> QUEERS ARE REVOLTING! And you can join us! (english) by The Love Revolution Heterosexism CAN BE CURED! Why Indeed? Gender and Race form the foundation of our current oppression under the white heterosexual Christian regime in the United States. Until issues of sexuality and gender are included in the fight for peace, there will be no peace. As long as heterosexual men feel that they must reign supreme in all political affairs, there will be no peace. As long as gays, lesbians, intersexuals, transgendered and bisexual people continue to be harassed, imprisoned, and killed simply for living their lives honestly, there will be no peace. And when you are ready to hide your heterosexuality in the closet, (no kissing your girlfriends at the protest rallies,) then we will talk about me stopping my visibility as a gay man. Gays and lesbians for Peace organizations. http://www.peaceresponse.org/lgb/index.shtml Want to learn more about Heterosexism and how it affects our culture? http://www.schryer.com/homophobia/ A few questions to ponder: 1. What do you think caused your heterosexuality? 2. When and how did you first decide you were a heterosexual? 3. Is it possible your heterosexuality is just a phase you may grow out of? 4. Could it be that your heterosexuality stems from a neurotic fear of others of the same sex? 5. If you've never slept with a person of the same sex, how can you be sure you wouldn't prefer that? 6. To whom have you disclosed your heterosexual tendencies? How did they react? 7. Why do heterosexuals feel compelled to seduce others into their lifestyle? 8. Why do you insist on flaunting your heterosexuality? Can't you just be what you are and keep it quiet? 9. Would you want your children to be heterosexual, knowing the problems they'd face? 10. A disproportionate majority of child molesters are heterosexual men. Do you consider it safe to expose children to heterosexual male teachers, pediatricians, priests, or scoutmasters? 11. With all the societal support for marriage, the divorce rate is spiraling. Why are there so few stable relationships among heterosexuals? 12. Why do heterosexuals place so much emphasis on sex? 13. Considering the menace of overpopulation, how could the human race survive if everyone were heterosexual? 14. Could you trust a heterosexual therapist to be objective? Don't you fear s/he might be inclined to influence you in the direction of her/his own leanings? 15. Heterosexuals are notorious for assigning themselves and one another rigid, stereotyped sex roles. Why must you cling to such unhealthy role-playing? 16. With the sexually segregated living conditions of military life, isn't heterosexuality incompatible with military service? 17. How can you enjoy an emotionally fulfilling experience with a person of the other sex when there are such vast differences between you? How can a man know what pleases a woman sexually or vice-versa? 18. Shouldn't you ask your far-out straight cohorts, like skinheads and born-agains, to keep quiet? Wouldn't that improve your image? 19. Why are heterosexuals so promiscuous? 20. Why do you attribute heterosexuality to so many famous lesbian and gay people? Is it to justify your own heterosexuality? 21. How can you hope to actualize your God-given homosexual potential if you limit yourself to exclusive, compulsive heterosexuality? 22. There seem to be very few happy heterosexuals. Techniques have been developed that might enable you to change if you really want to. After all, you never deliberately chose to be a heterosexual, did you? Have you considered aversion therapy or Heterosexuals Anonymous? From measl at mfn.org Sun Jan 6 15:30:37 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:30:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: Future Gnu's In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20020106151844.03349ae0@idiom.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Bill Stewart wrote: > At 07:24 PM 01/03/2002 -0600, measl at mfn.org wrote: > > > Spare your breath. The only way to shut up someone with a mental condition > > > is to kick him off the list, to leave the list, or use filtering. > > > >Can't we just kick him: period? > > What you do on your own time is your business :-) > > Meanwhile, it's an open list, Easy there Bill. I specifically ignored the "suggestion" that he be "kicked off the list". If there's anything you should know by know, it's that such a proposal would be *totally* out of character for me. > and procmail, Eudora, Outlook, Pine, > and probably even Netscape have mail filters, > so you can auto-ignore people you don't want to see. Please note that (as I have stated a long time ago), procmail and mattd have long since been acquainted ;-) > Or you can encourage them by replying to all their posts, > so they'll keep on ranting. Your choice.... Note that _I_ do not reply to his stuff, as I never see it directly. To make a long story short Bill, what I *meant* was *exactly* what I said, no more, and no less: "Can't we just kick him: period?". The suggestion was to implant a foot in his ass - literally. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From tcmay at got.net Sun Jan 6 17:36:51 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:36:51 -0800 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <06594AE3-030F-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Sunday, January 6, 2002, at 11:28 AM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > > As for paranoid schizophrenia, Tim, least Dr. Nash's beautiful mind > won a > prize or two before seeing a spook behind every Bush. > Back in the Plonk file you go. --Tim May "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around." --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet From mean-green at hushmail.com Sun Jan 6 18:26:04 2002 From: mean-green at hushmail.com (mean-green at hushmail.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:26:04 -0800 Subject: New rallying cry (was Re: FOI- Arizona Stadium Tax Nazis) Message-ID: <200201070226.g072Q4U24670@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> At 06:32 PM 1/5/2002 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: Matt, Thanks for posting. I've forwarded it and copied the board members, as a courtesy: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02994.html I'm one of those who believes there may be something to the claims that Secretary Knox perjured himself when he told Congress that the 16th Amendment had been properly ratified. I've recently come up with this eerily familiar rallying cry. "No taxation without re-ratification". mg From bill.stewart at pobox.com Sun Jan 6 18:37:01 2002 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 18:37:01 -0800 Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <5d089127738e2a324bbd512758c792da@remailer.havenco.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20020106182726.032a20b0@idiom.com> Some anonymous forger allegedly replied to Petro along the lines of: > > The subtle click of the cocker engaging will > >(a) be lost in the other noises and > >(b) is innocuous enough that they probably won't. > >Yes, since the invaders have not learned what's 'normal'. That's the fun of the traditional pump-action shotgun. *Everybody* knows what one of those sounds like, though if you need to swing it around in your house, it's easier if it's a sawed-off, at least if the Feds weren't the ones who talked you into sawing it off. >If it was something I worried about (I don't keep a loaded > >firearm in the house for home protection at this point, Nor do I. If the neighbor's kid wants to steal my overweight television or 233-MHz PC, it's not worth killing him for, and I think he's got the sense not to sneak in when we're home. And the time cops broke into my house, they were looking for him, not me, and it was much safer to deal with them by yelling at them about not letting the cats out than shooting them, though it was way out of their experience band... I do keep a loaded fire extinguisher by the bed. Most people don't know the sound of one of those going off, or the effects of getting hit in the face by the blast, though they may know how to react to the blunt end of one if the previous effects haven't distracted them, and I can shoot first and ask questions later. From do_not_reply at legalhelpservice.com Sun Jan 6 18:51:49 2002 From: do_not_reply at legalhelpservice.com (Legal Professionals) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:51:49 Subject: Attention: Legal Professionals - URGENT NOTICE Message-ID: <200201062348.g06Nmrak005649@ak47.algebra.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 13515 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tcmay at got.net Sun Jan 6 19:00:56 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:00:56 -0800 Subject: Two Reviews: TV Spy Shows and "A Beautiful Mind" Message-ID: Some comments on two related topics, the crop of t.v. shows with espionage/CIA themes and Opie's movie "A Beautiful Mind." Spoilers follow, so skip if desired. First, this seaons's crop of spy shows. I'm watching "Alias" as I type. Not exactly believable, but fun in a "Lola Rennt" ("Run, Lola, Run") way. Jennifer Garner is a chameleon, and is gorgeous to watch. "The Agency" is a lot more believable, sometimes to the point of being a bit boring. A lot of well-known actors, including David Clennon (from old "thirtysomething" episodes, and from "From the Earth to the Moon"...I've always liked him as an actor), Will Patton (a horrible Kevin Costner movie, "Postman," and a good Kevin Costner movie, a spy movie from the late 80s), Ronnie Cox ("Robocop"), Paige Turco (a B-movie I liked), and so on. A recent episode used "anonymous remailers" as a plot device, with spies using them to communicate. This show has been remarkably prescient (though not to folks like us) about public events. Episodes already in the can before 911 dealt with the Al Quaida terrorists, anthrax, and suitcase nukes. Some were deemed so close to real world events that they were delayed, sometimes more than once. "24," the Fox-TV Kiefer Sutherland vehicle. Frankly, I have no idea whatsoever what is happening. I've seen about 4-5 f these episodes and, for all I know, they have been in random order. I have no idea who is who, what is happening, or why I should care. The only exciting scenes were of a woman killing someone on a jet and then rigging explosives to detonate the escape door (she had a chute). Less related to spy themes, "UC: Undercover." A good series about an FBI undercover infiltration team. Now, on to "A Beautiful Mind." I'll try to forget Bob Hettinga's gratuitous, but oh-so-typical, negative comparison of me to the John Nash character. There are several themes in this movie of interest to (some) Cypherpunks list subscribers: 1. Nash's role in game theory. Especially the theory of Nash equilibria, which relates closely to Schelling points, which relates closely to notions of where "rights" come from. 2. Codes and code-breaking. This is somewhat fanciful, for reasons which become clear a bit later in the movie. 3. Paranoia and schizophrenia. Nash would have done well on the Cypherpunks list, had it existed back in the 1950s. There's also a love story recurring theme, with Jennifer Connelly (local Stanford grad) as his wife Alicia. I'd read the Silvia Nasar book on which the movie was based, and I of course knew about Nash equilibria. The movie does an acceptable job of portraying Nash as a young grad student struggling with his demons and trying to make a mark. However, anybody who doesn't know the basics of game theory--payoff matrices, games of chicken, prisoner's dilemma, etc.--is not likely to understand the "who gets the blonde" very brief scene. Too bad, as the game theory part is what was most interesting to me. The movie is divided into roughly four reels: * Reel 1: John Nash arrives at Princeton in 1948, seeking desperately to prove himself with his "one great idea." He comes up with the notion of Nash equilibria (*) and gets the recognition he craves. * Reel 2: He is apparently recruited to help the Defense Department's code-breaking operations in the mid-50s and is chased by Russian agents. His paranoia afffects his life, his wife, and his child. * Reel 3: His mental breakdown. Electroshock therapy, thorazine, and meaningless scribbles in notebooks. And his novel way he decorates the walls of his office. * Reel 4: His gradual re-integration into a shadow of academic life (e.g., wandering around Princeton, hanging out in the library). His eventual Nobel Ersatz Price in Economics. (* Nash Equilibria. Imagine India and Pakistan both competing for the ultimate prize, Kashmir. Nash showed that the "best is the enemy of the good" by showing that a good-enough equilibrium exists when, say, both nations accept less than their first choice. The movie portrays this as a bunch of guys competing for a gorgeous blonde, but winning by accepting the lesser women around the blonde. As with many things in game theory, it works better in theory in practice. In practice, _someone_ competes for the blonde and gets her, something the abstract model skips. But the notion of Nash equilibria is important because it leads directly to Schelling points, an extension of the idea. The borders between India and Pakistan are largely a series of Nash equilibrium points. Borders are "arrived at without explicit negotiation" for information-theoretic reasons.) The film is worth seeing for several reasons. Russell Crowe does a fine acting job. The theme is interesting. Members of this list will likely find several points of resonance, though nothing explicity about politics in the film. I'm concerned, though, about elevating John Nash to superhero cult status. His "great idea" was interesting (more than anything I have done, of course), but was done when he was very young and can almost be seen as a pretty obvious extension of minimax and Von Neumann/Morgenstern payoff matrices.. We all know that people don't compete mindlessly for the "best," that they routinely accept second-best. This is part of the cost-benefit calculus of life. Nash did more than just hand-wave about this, of course...his sets of curves have mathematical rigor. So he deserves a role in the pantheon of game theorists, but we shouldn't let his nuttiness give him more credit than he would be due if he had just evolved into a Rand Corp. talking head as so many of them did. A fellow nutcase in Princeton (*) during the same period was Kurt Godel (umlaut over the single "o"). His achievement was the greater one, and he remained a member of the IAS until his death. His story would be just as interesting, though maybe not as sympathetic as Nash's. (Godel was at the Institute for Advanced Study, which is NOT Princeton University. I caught a scene in the film where Nash is entering Fine Hall, which, if I recall correctly, is at IAS, not at Princeton.) All in all, recommended. I thought the film started briskly but then slowed to a crawl in the third reel. It picked up again in the final reel. --Tim May "The State is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else." --Frederic Bastiat From mmuckin at hotmail.com Sun Jan 6 19:57:47 2002 From: mmuckin at hotmail.com (Michael Muckin) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:57:47 Subject: "subscribe cypherpunks" Message-ID: "subscribe cypherpunks" Michael Muckin _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 6 01:33:17 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:33:17 +1100 Subject: Morons of the year. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106203247.00abbeb0@pop.useoz.com> Subject: morons.org What year could be complete without PETA doing something seriously dumb to get 1 0 attention? PETA is well-known for its publicity stunts and for its reputation of doing absolutely nothing at all to help animals, but plenty of things to hurt people. They're more anti-human than pro-beast. This year, PETA's president, Ingrid Newkirk took the cake when she said she hopes that foot and mouth disease spreads to the US. That clinches it. Not only do they not do anything to help animals, they actually want them to come to harm. What a strange group. A twelve-year-old deaf girl in New Jersey was threatened with suspension from school. In 9 this day and age you'd think that meant she spoke the word "gun" to a friend on a weekend in a field 20 miles away from the nearest school, but that wasn't her crime in this case. No, her crime was signing. That's right. Being deaf, she speaks with sign language. Supposedly signing on the bus was creating a disturbance. Ironically, the girl's hearing was damaged at that same school by someone setting off fireworks in an enclosed space. We explored the inanity of knee-jerk reactions in Zero Tolerance Gone Mad, part IV. A 8 Nevada school expelled a boy for an off-the-cuff remark he made outside of school, saying he fit the "profile" of a suicidal mass murderer, Columbine style. Their profile? He's a good kid, gets good grades, is well liked, dresses neatly, and has ADHD. Oh, and he owned a BB gun! The school labeled him a "habitual offender" even though he had no prior disciplinary record, and he was hauled off to jail. Next we have the story of the mayor of a small Florida town who decided to expel the 7 devil from it. Really. I can't make things up this good. She wrote her proclamation out on 4 pieces of paper, which were then placed into hollowed out wooden posts that were placed at the four corners of town, witchcraft style. Presumably the dark lord is intimidated by hollowed out wooden posts with papers inside. After we waited an entire year for Hollywood to turn out a watchable movie that didn't 6 make us run from the theater screaming, "my eyes! my eyes!" they gave us Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. Mind you, this is no American Beauty or Truman Show, but at least it isn't the usual crap. As one might expect, fundamentalist Christians had a field day with the movie, going on about how its appeal would draw helpless children into Witchcraft. Hey guys, here's a clue for you: witchcraft is a fantasy, just like your religion. Pat Robertson, the foaming-at-the-mouth, power-hungry scoundrel who recently retired 5 from running the Christian Coalition surprised a number of people by advocating abortion for Chinese women. While we agreed with his sentiment, it was surprising to hear it coming out of his mouth nonetheless. It was (and is) our suspicion that his advocacy was based on anti-China hatred, which got the better of his staunch anti-abortion views. Jerry Falwell. Oh, should I say more? OK. Jerry Falwell drew harsh criticism from the four 4 winds, even from people sympathetic to his sickening views, after accusing his opponents of causing the tragic terrorist attacks on the US. Two weeks after he made an ass of himself on the 700 Club, he claimed his comments were taken out of context. His son sent out letters to Falwell's followers asking for $50 or $100 to help his dear old dad recover from "Satan's fiery darts" that were supposedly launched against Jerry in a "mean spirited" attack. It's not an attack when it's simply the truth, Jonathan Falwell. Falwell claimed he simply "misspoke" for 35 seconds because he was tired. And on the topic of Jerry Falwell, we can't forget how he blamed the terrorist attacks on 3 his political opponents: gays, lesbians, the ACLU, the People for the American Way, and the general secularizing of America. What's better is one of our readers (who is now one of our writers!) predicted it 2 days beforehand. Reports of his comments were hard to believe, but we found them and placed the audio online for all to hear. The ironic thing is that it turned out that religious extremism (fundamentalism, if you will) had a lot more to do with the attack on the US than the existence of gays and lesbians. Not to be clichi, but it turns out the only difference between Falwell's regime and Osama bin Laden's is weaponry. Things got a little scary toward the end of the year. OK, they actually got absolutely 2 terrifying. Our buddy John Ashcroft went on the record saying those who oppose his efforts to destroy civil liberties in this country might as well be terrorists. Ok, so those weren't his words exactly, but he did say "To those who pit Americans against immigrants, citizens against non-citizens, to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies and pause to America's friends. They encourage people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil." Close enough. Opposing his agenda, you see, is like giving aid and comfort to terrorists. He didn't say it like that because of the obvious implication that he was accusing dissenters of treason. It was so scary that we drew a parallel between Ashcroft and McCarthy, as this sounded a lot like McCarthyism revisited to us. By far the largest scoring article of 2001 was Alcatel Fucks Up Bigtime. This was a 1 critical article for morons.org because it was one of the first pieces of original investigative journalism we were able to do, and because of the huge amount of attention it drew. Alcatel had come under fire for a nasty security vulnerability with its DSL modems when it announced it had no intention of releasing a patch and merely suggested users run firewalls (which wouldn't have helped anyway). We got a tip that in Alcatel's press release they had used a Microsoft Word feature that stores a document's revision history. It was relatively easy to view that revision history, and some of the comments it contained were terribly interesting. Comments like "Why don't we provide this level of security to all of our customers? Why don't we switch on firewalls by default for all of our customers?" Oops. So there you have it. The year in stupidity compressed into 10 paragraphs. If the world continues to deteriorate into absolute brainlessness at the present rate, I think I'll just stay inside and hide next year.---Nick From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 6 01:50:21 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:50:21 +1100 Subject: Insurance news Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020106204411.00ab9eb0@pop.useoz.com> Atlantic Coast Life Insurance Co. and Liberty Life Insurance Co. have been ordered by A South Carolina insurance department director Ernst Csiszar to pay out a combined $3.1 million to black policy holders that had been charged higher premiums than white policy holders for decades. Some company officials claimed they were using "lifestyle" as justification for the higher premiums, but Csiszar said it was obvious upon investigation that it was a simple black/white issue. $100b threat to economy By CHRIS TINKLER and TONY RINDFLEISCH 06jan02 A $100 billion insurance crisis is threatening to sabotage Australia's economy. Runaway premiums and unprecedented court decisions have undermined businesses, cost jobs and forced doctors out of specialist roles. They are also killing off sports events and community activities. The total cost of all classes of insurance premiums is estimated to have jumped from about $25 billion last year to as much as $30 billion this year. And the bushfire crisis is expected to add several billion dollars to that bill. Insurers are also increasingly refusing to take on certain groups or events considered too high a risk. That means the real cost of the insurance woes may run into hundreds of billions of dollars as jobs, businesses and community events are lost. Those seeking insurance for public and product liability or professional indemnity are being worst hit, with premiums increasing by up to 1000 per cent. Insurers blame record compensation payouts and growing claims in an increasingly litigious society, saying that until last year they had maintained unsustainably low premiums. The September 11 terrorism attacks, the collapse of insurance giant HIH -- responsible for up to 40 per cent of the public liability market -- and the costly Ansett and Avonwood Homes debacles are also cited. Calls for an overhaul of the system from several peak bodies, with some pushing for caps on payouts, come as: MEDICAL insurance premiums for families are set to rise. THE WORLD'S biggest ski race, the Southern 80, on the Murray River, this week collapsed under the unsustainable insurance burden. BUSHFIRE payouts are expected to top $70 million, with insurers having already received thousands of claims. SEPTEMBER 11 payouts are predicted to be up to $140 billion. TERRORISM cover will be written out of insurance policies from this month in the aftermath of the attacks on the US. A RECORD negligence payout of almost $17 million to a woman paralysed after her car skidded off a gravel road has raised the bar for individual claims. THE MEDICAL profession is reeling from increasing payouts, including $14 million in November to cerebral palsy sufferer Calandre Simpson for a botched forceps delivery. SPECIALISTS such as brain surgeons, obstetricians and gynaecologists are quitting because indemnity premiums are rising to as much as $250,000 a year. PUBLIC and product liability claims jumped from 55,000 in 1998 to 88,000 two years later. GRASS ROOTS football administrators warn that the game could be severely undermined by rising premiums, with several clubs folding and more to follow. HUNDREDS of other sports groups and events, carols services, Christmas street festivals and parades, including key events in Warburton and Mont Albert, have been cancelled due to unaffordable public liability premiums. VICTORIA'S tourism industry council says soaring public liability premiums during the past six months -- up by as much as 600 per cent -- and increasing flight costs have further destabilised the stricken industry. PREMIUMS for home and car insurance are expected to rise by an average of $30. The Prime Minister, John Howard, has announced a special summit to look at the professional indemnity issue which has sent shock waves through the medical professional. Capping payouts will be one controversial option examined, Federal Assistant Treasurer Senator Helen Coonan said. A range of stakeholders, including the legal, insurance and tourism industries and sports and community groups, have also called for a national forum to investigate public and product liability. A State Government spokesman said the Federal Government had been asked to convene a forum of all states to tackle public liability problems. Noel Pettersen, National Insurance Brokers Association chief, said unless there was action to halt premium increases and lack of cover, Australia would be in an insurance crisis within a year with economic damage mounting to more than $100 billion. Alan Mason, executive director of the Insurance Council of Australia, said unprecedented events such as the collapse of HIH and the September 11 attacks had rewritten the industry textbook. Mr Mason said that for every $100 raised in premiums, $162 was being paid in claims in some sectors. Law Council of Australia president Tony Abbott said he did not believe claims had risen much in recent years and that premium increases were due to fewer insurers. The Australian Compe tition and Consumer Commission has been investigating premium increases and is due to report to the Federal Government next month. From jya at pipeline.com Sun Jan 6 21:05:13 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:05:13 -0800 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd In-Reply-To: <200201062247.g06MlYm04731@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> Message-ID: Psychological and psychiatric catergories are entertaining to toy with, and the diagnostic manuals are a hoot, but none are as subtle and supple as language needs to be to convey what people do, believe, say and act. They are way too rigid and domineering to get at the complexity and unpredictability of human behavior. But simple-seeking minds are soothed by them. Similarly, grammatical language is pitifully limited in what it can communicate, and its adherents must bully their message to say what they cannot so long as they abide by the rigidity of a highly conventional structure, not of their own making, not even of their understanding as to what can be done contradicting the ever challengable conceits of grammar's illusory supremacy. Fortunately, there are numerous creative alternatives to rigid, authoritarian language as in all arts and sciences. Alternatives which the conventionally obedience ever attempt to demonize and castigate with simian terms of opprobrium. Psychoanalysis a prime tool, literary criticism another. Plain language philosophy, too, idolizes word structure, the false hegemon of the dictionary. Any more of this kind of shit writing belabors the obvious point that serious writing, along with serious thinking, is ridiculous, a conceit of mind and tongue unable to bear frightful freedom, afraid of its own yearning for disorderly structure as though there is something wrong with singing your heart out, and laughing at your tone deafness. A joke beats a wise statement any day of the week for content, style and performance. An unintended joke is a masterstroke. If it is upon oneself that is sublime. Take God's own case, a sublime lack of humor about the predicament sui generis. Nobody here has ever gone that far, though the best ones vainmostly aspire. 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To remove yourself from all related maillists, just click here: mailto:pac2server at btamail.net.cn?Subject=REMOVE From k12727 at ecrivain.com Sun Jan 6 19:54:52 2002 From: k12727 at ecrivain.com (k12727 at ecrivain.com) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:54:52 -0500 Subject: ALL New Gov Grants Info E-Book 19208 Message-ID: <000022501dc9$00007969$00004b08@portugalmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1627 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rahettinga at EarthLink.Net Sun Jan 6 20:09:48 2002 From: rahettinga at EarthLink.Net (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:09:48 -0500 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd In-Reply-To: <06594AE3-030F-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> References: <06594AE3-030F-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: At 5:36 PM -0800 on 1/6/02, Tim May wrote: > Back in the Plonk file you go. Ahhhh... Would that that were truly so. It would have made both our lives so much easier over the last 7+ years (cf. previous bits about crufty old farts with nothing better to do...) if you actually *did* use that Eudora filter feature, or whatever System X Mail does these days. But you never actually do it, do you? Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "When I was your age we didn't have Tim May! We had to be paranoid on our own! And we were grateful!" --Alan Olsen From measl at mfn.org Sun Jan 6 21:50:26 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:50:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: Seveso in the Summer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Nomen Nescio wrote: > How do you spell relief? C-A-R-C-A-N-O You don't actually *believe* the 13 Volumes, do you? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From petro at bounty.org Mon Jan 7 00:34:56 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:34:56 -0800 Subject: Spooky noises In-Reply-To: <5d089127738e2a324bbd512758c792da@remailer.havenco.com> Message-ID: <6DE7F1D7-0349-11D6-8AB0-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Sunday, January 6, 2002, at 06:12 PM, Anonymous User wrote: > At 02:07 PM 1/6/02 -0800, Petro wrote: >> Second, what makes you aware that there is someone in your home? >> Usually it's noises they are making (I would assume). Have you ever >> listened to your house at night? Every place I've lived there are all >> sorts of mechanical noises off and on all night long. > Which your nervous system has learned. Other sounds it hasn't. > The subtle click of the cocker engaging will (a) be >> lost in the other noises and (b) is innocuous enough that they probably >> won't. > Yes, since the invaders have not learned what's 'normal'. If you're the type of person who spends time in other peoples homes while they're sleeping or away, I expect you've gotten used to many of these sounds. Or you're oblivious to them. > If it was something I worried about (I don't keep a loaded >> firearm in the house for home protection at this point, I'm not high >> enough profile for the Feebs or the BATF to want to raid my "compound", >> nor am I a sufficient irritant to the local Gestapo, and my >> neighborhood >> is relative free of home burglary/home invasion type crimes that I feel >> it is better to keep the guns in a locker than on my bedside table) > > Me too, similar circumstance, with a kid in the house too, though I'm a > little ashamed to admit it -its like decrying those who don't get > vaccines > and then not getting one yourself. But (using the analogy again) maybe > the frail shouldn't get vaccinated because of danger to selves. > (Assuming rational frail.) > I'm thinking about a high-up clock-safe though. Or a more expensive > (less reliable) finger-safe by the door. There are 3 cases why one would keep a loaded firearm in the house for self defense--well, at least three, but three general cases is all I can think of off the top of my head: (1) Bad Neighborhood: The area that one lives in has a high incidence of B&E/Home Invasion, and one is afraid that their home will be hit. While this is a *very* good reason to have a loaded firearm close at hand, quite frankly there is a higher chance that the home will be burgled while you are away. Smart thing to do is move to a less dangerous neighborhood. (2) One has brought oneself to the notice of the kind of people who can use force with little or no repercussion, be that government or any other gang of thugs, and one wants to "go down fighting". (lets' face it, no matter how good you are, no matter how fast and accurate, you aren't going to win a firefight with the kind and number of troops the government, be it city, state, or federal is going to throw at you, all you can hope to do is repel the first attack, and take more of them than there are of you). In this case, there isn't a lot you can do. (3) One has developed a NGO enemy of some kind, either you did something to piss off the kind of person who will crawl in your window one night and slit your throat. Lock and load--there is nothing else you can do. I guess (thinking a little further) that there are 2 other cases: (4) One is doing something that may bring #3 to come about. (Don't do that) (5) Being Prepared. > All you P7 heads are too elite for me, but to each their own. > I've collected from NAA .22 to a wide (12 round) Makharov to H & K. > No .45's; so sue me :-) Nothing special about the .45 acp. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From petro at bounty.org Mon Jan 7 00:39:49 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:39:49 -0800 Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20020106182726.032a20b0@idiom.com> Message-ID: <1C473492-034A-11D6-8AB0-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Sunday, January 6, 2002, at 06:37 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: > Some anonymous forger allegedly replied to Petro along the lines of: > >> > The subtle click of the cocker engaging will >> >(a) be lost in the other noises and >> >(b) is innocuous enough that they probably won't. >> >> Yes, since the invaders have not learned what's 'normal'. > That's the fun of the traditional pump-action shotgun. > *Everybody* knows what one of those sounds like, And if they are armed (and so inclined), they now know where to aim and start shooting. > > Nor do I. If the neighbor's kid wants to steal my > overweight television or 233-MHz PC, it's not worth killing him for, There are only 3 things in my home worth killing to protect: (1) My wife. (2) My self. (3) My guns. A thief can have the TV (take my TV...Please), the stereo (Don't touch the CDs or albums tho'), the computers etc. but I cannot let a thief take the guns out of the house while I'm alive to prevent it. Stolen guns rarely get used for "good". As to the other two, well, that's almost axiomatic. > I do keep a loaded fire extinguisher by the bed. What kind? > Most people don't know the sound of one of those going off, > or the effects of getting hit in the face by the blast, > though they may know how to react to the blunt end of one > if the previous effects haven't distracted them, > and I can shoot first and ask questions later. I don't know, Fire extinguishers can be lethal, just ask that kid in Italy... -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From petro at bounty.org Mon Jan 7 00:47:58 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:47:58 -0800 Subject: Orange crush In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <400E0CE2-034B-11D6-8AB0-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Sunday, January 6, 2002, at 10:42 PM, Anonymous wrote: > > The agit/prop that we *need* herbicides to produce enough food is > patently absurd. They didn't even exiest 50 years ago, and most farmers 50 years ago most farmers weren't getting anywhere near the crop yields they are today. > in the world still don't use them. Only the chemically dependant Most farmers who don't use them are lucky to feed themselves and their families, much less whole other nations. > brainwashed, braindead amerikan farmer does, which is why he's quickly > becoming extinct. No, he's becoming extinct because (1) The federal government is more than willing to pay many of them not to grow food and (b) He's getting bought out by the corporate farm companies, which are far more efficient and use herbicides, pesticides, genetic manipulation, and fertilizer. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 6 07:03:08 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 02:03:08 +1100 Subject: JLocke foundation greenhouse skeptics Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020107015915.00ab85e0@pop.useoz.com> 1996 sponsor-RJ Reynolds. Also from 96.Pope tim may issues papal bull and excommunication of 2 list contributors. From anonymous at remailer.havenco.com Sun Jan 6 18:12:45 2002 From: anonymous at remailer.havenco.com (Anonymous User) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 02:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Spooky noises Message-ID: <5d089127738e2a324bbd512758c792da@remailer.havenco.com> At 02:07 PM 1/6/02 -0800, Petro wrote: > Second, what makes you aware that there is someone in your home? >Usually it's noises they are making (I would assume). Have you ever >listened to your house at night? Every place I've lived there are all >sorts of mechanical noises off and on all night long. Which your nervous system has learned. Other sounds it hasn't. The subtle click of the cocker engaging will (a) be >lost in the other noises and (b) is innocuous enough that they probably >won't. Yes, since the invaders have not learned what's 'normal'. If it was something I worried about (I don't keep a loaded >firearm in the house for home protection at this point, I'm not high >enough profile for the Feebs or the BATF to want to raid my "compound", >nor am I a sufficient irritant to the local Gestapo, and my neighborhood >is relative free of home burglary/home invasion type crimes that I feel >it is better to keep the guns in a locker than on my bedside table) Me too, similar circumstance, with a kid in the house too, though I'm a little ashamed to admit it -its like decrying those who don't get vaccines and then not getting one yourself. But (using the analogy again) maybe the frail shouldn't get vaccinated because of danger to selves. (Assuming rational frail.) I'm thinking about a high-up clock-safe though. Or a more expensive (less reliable) finger-safe by the door. All you P7 heads are too elite for me, but to each their own. I've collected from NAA .22 to a wide (12 round) Makharov to H & K. No .45's; so sue me :-) Ballistopunk From morlockelloi at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 03:54:54 2002 From: morlockelloi at yahoo.com (Morlock Elloi) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:54:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020107115454.87053.qmail@web13205.mail.yahoo.com> >Any more of this kind of shit writing belabors the obvious >point that serious writing, along with serious thinking, is >ridiculous, a conceit of mind and tongue unable to bear >frightful freedom, afraid of its own yearning for disorderly >structure as though there is something wrong with singing >your heart out, and laughing at your tone deafness. This can be shifted to the information theory terrain. It's not _just_ about using the straight and prescribed language and constructs. It is about predictability in general. Most posters that I filter out are predictable to the point where I can, with decent accuracy, guess what they will say on any given subject. They can be described (scripted) as finite automata. And they have enormous integrity that they are proud of. Bricks also have integrity, but I always failed to find them entertaining - except maybe when they disintegrate on high impact. Then you get to see many irregular and unpredictable pieces. Some aspiring student of AI may find it an interesting exercise to customize alicebot to emulate some of the most integral cpunk posters (think timbots, mattbots, etc.) Frankly, I think that it's already been done. Sometimes I think that there are already alicebot implants. So it's all about entropy. Low entropy dwellers perceive high entropy ("high on entropy" ?) runners as danger that needs cooling. Or should I say kooling ? Why is that stupid ? Because we will all end up as cold iron, and it doesn't matter who gets there first. The last one wins. ===== end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From andrew at pokerspot.com Mon Jan 7 04:04:21 2002 From: andrew at pokerspot.com (Andrew Woods) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 04:04:21 -0800 Subject: Eudora filters for mattd In-Reply-To: <8fed0c132d2436b0c4f7b81e429f7ff6@remailer.havenco.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020107040120.00ae10f8@www.pokerspot.com> At 02:49 AM Monday 1/7/2002, you wrote: >If anyone has figured out why Eudora can't filter mattd >we would *love* to know. First, make sure your filter for mattd is listed before your filter for cypherpunks. Also, because it seemed like mattd's from: header was somewhat variant, i have it matching just "mattd". Then there's a "make status: read", a "transfer to: trash", and a "skip rest". Good luck. -Andrew From mischief at optushome.com.au Sun Jan 6 10:09:49 2002 From: mischief at optushome.com.au (Ralph Wallis) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:09:49 +1100 Subject: Another Movie of Some Cpunk Interest In-Reply-To: ; from blancw@cnw.com on Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 11:05:00PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20020107050949.A2876@localhost> script excerpts: http://www.frescopictures.com/movies/ender/script.html On Saturday, 05 Jan 2002 at 23:05, Blanc wrote: > I was just reading > that Orson Scott > Card's sci-fi novel "Ender's Game" is being made into a movie (no info on > when it might be out). > > [I liked the story alright, except for the disappointing end: apparently > all that superior intelligence and strategy and toil & trouble was all on > account of . . . big bugs. Not a very seriously realistic reason or > challenge, in my mind, to warrant all the mystery of the effort. > Oh, well. Maybe the special effects will be entertaining, and with a bag of > popcorn for additional enjoyment it will be worth the matinee price. :) ] From ozier at strato.net Mon Jan 7 03:09:31 2002 From: ozier at strato.net (Charles Ozier) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:09:31 -0500 Subject: Gay NaughtyMail Newsletter Message-ID: <000801c1976b$cb6b8280$5fc72d40@hppav> Don't know if you are the right contact but I am still having a problem with the GAY newsletter. Had rec'd it for months, than it stopped after making some purchases! I contacted you, and started to receive them again, only to have it stopped again? if you are NOT the correct contact, please advise, if you know, where I would send an e-mail. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 846 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nobody at dizum.com Sun Jan 6 21:40:15 2002 From: nobody at dizum.com (Nomen Nescio) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:40:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: Seveso in the Summer Message-ID: At 01:12 PM 1/6/02 -0500, cubic-dog wrote: > >TCDD or, 2-3-7-8-tetrachlorodibenzo-P-dioxin (C12,H4,Cl4,O2), is a >CONTAMINATE artifact of the heat exchangers used in the reaction process >not a constituent as so often stated. Seveso, Italy, is a real fun place to visit. Roll up your windows. ---- How do you spell relief? C-A-R-C-A-N-O From dog3 at eruditium.org Mon Jan 7 04:36:10 2002 From: dog3 at eruditium.org (cubic-dog) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:36:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Orange crush In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Anonymous wrote: > Total bullshit there crock dog. TCDD is also a breakdown product > of both poly-chlorinated phenols like 2,4,D and 2,4,5-T and poly-chlorinated > bi-phenols (PCBs). It really doesn't matter what level tcdd (dioxin) is at > time of manufacture, even boiling coffee watere with 245T in it can give > you a load of dioxin. Dunno, maybe you're right, I couldn't get it to happen in the lab with phenols when I was a chem student without actually burning it. I tried. (wasn't supposed to but I was curious). Biphenols, yes. Or something close enough to TCDD that I didn't care. Actually burning 245T, and 24D for that matter will indeed produce TCDD. As to whether or not overcooking these phenols produces it, well, I wouldn't doubt it. But overcooking would still be a faulty process. BTW, burning just about ANYTHING with chlorine in it will produce dioxin. I don't know there brother nobody, I just keep reading over and over again, folks using 245T, 24D and TCDD practically interchangably. They are not the same chemicals, not at all. I read things like "245T, a form of dioxin" and "Agent Orange, a strong dioxin". You say TCDD is a breakdown product of 245T, others say it is a manufacturing byproduct, others say it is the same thing. > The agit/prop that we *need* herbicides to produce enough food is > patently absurd. They didn't even exiest 50 years ago, and most farmers > in the world still don't use them. Well, most farmers in the world still don't have nearly the output that the "chemically dependant brainwashed, braindead amerikan farmer" does, except perhaps those other hi output ag industries from Germany, the netherlands and such. All of which are of course, heavily chem dependent. Herbicides have existed a hell of a lot longer than 50 years, even so-called modern chlorinated herbicides have been around since the late 1800s. >Only the chemically dependant > brainwashed, braindead amerikan farmer does, which is why he's quickly > becoming extinct. The reasons the "chemically dependant brainwashed, braindead amerikan farmer" is becomming exinct has a lot more to do with international corporate farming and economics of multinational monopolies like Archer Daniels Midland, the darling of the NPR crowd, than it does the use of herbicides, pesticides and fertilzers. Perhaps you are right on all cases, that agent orange and all phenoxyl herbicides are the devils spawn and the true root of all evil. My imagination balks at it, perhaps because I don't share your clarity of vision. However, I do know some of the chemists at Dow Midland who were directly involved in Dows work with 245T, and to follow your line of thinking is to say that these folks are the fine agents of the great satan himself, heirs to those nice folks who stirred the pot so vigorously in europe back in the 40s. My imagination balks at it, perhaps because these folks simply are not like that, and I have read a lot of the papers, I have done some of the chemistry and have learned in an empirical way that these questions are all a great deal more complicated than these flat statements like "Agent Orange is the blame for all the ''bad things''" suggest. This is all real touchy stuff, I have been around pretty much half a century and have been litterally up to my neck in this stuff. (Yes, this *STUFF*). I don't take it lightly, and I don't buy into any corporate line, as a corporation is almost by definition incapable of telling any truth when there is any bad news. But little snippits that say ag/chem is evil, and we are good because we say it is evil are pretty much a waste of everyones time. From nobody at mix.winterorbit.com Sun Jan 6 22:42:21 2002 From: nobody at mix.winterorbit.com (Anonymous) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:42:21 +0100 Subject: Orange crush Message-ID: Total bullshit there crock dog. TCDD is also a breakdown product of both poly-chlorinated phenols like 2,4,D and 2,4,5-T and poly-chlorinated bi-phenols (PCBs). It really doesn't matter what level tcdd (dioxin) is at time of manufacture, even boiling coffee watere with 245T in it can give you a load of dioxin. The agit/prop that we *need* herbicides to produce enough food is patently absurd. They didn't even exiest 50 years ago, and most farmers in the world still don't use them. Only the chemically dependant brainwashed, braindead amerikan farmer does, which is why he's quickly becoming extinct. From steve at sendon.net Mon Jan 7 01:16:41 2002 From: steve at sendon.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:16:41 +0000 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd References: <200201062247.g06MlYm04731@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <200201070943.JAA02214@divert.sendon.net> Quoting John Young (jya at pipeline.com): > Psychological and psychiatric catergories are entertaining to > toy with, and the diagnostic manuals are a hoot, but none are as > subtle and supple as language needs to be to convey what > people do, believe, say and act. They are way too rigid and > domineering to get at the complexity and unpredictability of > human behavior. But simple-seeking minds are soothed by > them. More to the point, such systems provide the imprecision and convenience which some rigid and domineering minds need in order to impose their more subtle and complex belief systems on others. > Similarly, grammatical language is pitifully limited in what it > can communicate, and its adherents must bully their message > to say what they cannot so long as they abide by the rigidity > of a highly conventional structure, not of their own making, > not even of their understanding as to what can be done > contradicting the ever challengable conceits of grammar's > illusory supremacy. Only by convention. > Fortunately, there are numerous creative alternatives to > rigid, authoritarian language as in all arts and sciences. Which are only useful if they are used as creative alternatives instead of forms within which convenient and common ideas can be re-expressed. > Alternatives which the conventionally obedience ever > attempt to demonize and castigate with simian terms > of opprobrium. Psychoanalysis a prime tool, literary > criticism another. Plain language philosophy, too, > idolizes word structure, the false hegemon of the > dictionary. Beware of false dictionaries and lexicons. > Any more of this kind of shit writing belabors the obvious > point that serious writing, along with serious thinking, is > ridiculous, a conceit of mind and tongue unable to bear > frightful freedom, afraid of its own yearning for disorderly > structure as though there is something wrong with singing > your heart out, and laughing at your tone deafness. Intellectual freedom and speech is only as good as the persons who excercise it -- and in this culture, it is mediocre at best. > A joke beats a wise statement any day of the week for > content, style and performance. But of course for effect the statesman's sage utterings are unequalled. > An unintended joke is a masterstroke. If it is upon oneself > that is sublime. Take God's own case, a sublime lack of > humor about the predicament sui generis. You're losing it. > Nobody here has ever gone that far, though the best ones > vainmostly aspire. Or pretend. Regards, Steve -- Witness those little white men practising their alibis. -- Dean Russell From schear at lvcm.com Mon Jan 7 10:12:49 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 10:12:49 -0800 Subject: Japanese banking system 'about to collapse' Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107101105.03edf008@pop3.lvcm.com> [Now this could be very interesting...] http://www.iol.co.za/general/news/newsprint.php?art_id=ct20020105195512751J1526233 Japanese banking system 'about to collapse' TOKYO: Japan's financial system is headed toward collapse and will require a government bailout of one trillion dollars, a US think tank said. "Japan appears poised to follow the passive route of outright default," resident scholar John H. Makin wrote in the monthly Economic Outlook report put out by the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research on Wednesday. "The negative net worth of the Japanese banking system is somewhere above the yen-equivalent of one trillion dollars," Makin wrote. "When the banking system collapses... the Bank of Japan will need to inject at least one trillion into the banks to protect depositors from losses." He said such a procedure would need to be financed by the Japanese government, resulting in total public debt jumping by 15 percent, and causing a surge in liquidity that would cause Japan's currency and bonds to collapse. 'It amounts to beating harder a dead horse'"Japan's deflation and debt crisis now constitute systemic risk to the global economy," he wrote. The report harshly criticises Japan for failing to stop rampant deflation, which increases the burden of paying off debts. "Efforts by the Bank of Japan to boost economic activity and to reflate by increasing reserves in the banking system and cutting short-term interest rates virtually to zero amount to beating harder a dead horse," Makin wrote. "The dead horse is the Japanese banking system, which by virtue of its insolvency is unable to act as a financial intermediary borrowing short from the central bank and lending to Japan's private sector." Makin also criticised moves to postpone past next March the government's plan to cap its guarantee on bank deposits to 10 million yen (about R900 000), saying; "that step will only delay the outright collapse of the banking system." - Sapa-AFP Published on the Web by IOL on 2002-01-05 19:55:26 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ © Independent Online 1999. All rights reserved. IOL publishes this article in good faith but is not liable for any loss or damage caused by reliance on the information it contains. From anonymous at remailer.havenco.com Mon Jan 7 02:49:47 2002 From: anonymous at remailer.havenco.com (Anonymous User) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Eudora filters for mattd Message-ID: <8fed0c132d2436b0c4f7b81e429f7ff6@remailer.havenco.com> If anyone has figured out why Eudora can't filter mattd we would *love* to know. From mmotyka at lsil.com Mon Jan 7 11:42:54 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:42:54 -0700 Subject: Cpunks Lauded Message-ID: <3C39FA3E.D0F9B1AD@lsil.com> georgemw at speakeasy.net wrote : > >On 5 Jan 2002, at 7:58, John Young wrote: > >> This crypto demonization may well intensify as investigations >> proceed into the government, military and intelligence failure to >> prevent 911. Whether crypto actually played any role in the >> attack may be seen as unimportant so long as a convincing >> story can be promoted that it must have been. >> >I don't think anyone claims that it "must have been". Rather, >the idea that it might have been, or might be useful for future >terrorists, is sufficient to demonize it. Similarly, the 9/11 >terrorists didn't use guns, but everyone knows terrorists use guns, >The idea of cryptography as munitions isn't just metaphor or, >if it is, it's a really really good metaphor. > >[chop] > >George > I think "might have been" and "might be" are close enough for government work. Have we reached the point where a local fibbie can state "uses encryption" as probable cause or whatever deficient standard they use these days before inserting a tap? Mike From schear at lvcm.com Mon Jan 7 13:44:17 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:44:17 -0800 Subject: Hackers Targeting Home Computers (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107134233.03bb5e08@pop3.lvcm.com> At 09:41 PM 1/7/2002 +0100, Eugene Leitl wrote: >-- Eugen* Leitl leitl >______________________________________________________________ >ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org >57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:15:48 -0800 >From: Hack Hawk >To: Kent Borg , > Eugene Leitl , > cryptography at wasabisystems.com >Cc: Hadmut Danisch , dcsb at ai.mit.edu >Subject: Re: Hackers Targeting Home Computers > >Although I originally used the word filter to describe a possible ISP >action to address certain problems, the following statement from KB was >more what I meant to suggest. 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In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20020108040605.00a469e0@pop.useoz.com>; from mattd@useoz.com on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 04:11:51AM +1100 References: <5.0.0.25.0.20020108040605.00a469e0@pop.useoz.com> Message-ID: <20020107141705.A24249@squirrelsnest.org> Not to put too fine a point on it, but why are you posting 10 year old reports. As interesting as this is, follow up reports and studies would be far more useful. Ken On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 04:11:51AM +1100, mattd wrote: > YOUNG MALE RATS ARE 'DEMASCULINIZED' > AND 'FEMINIZED' BY LOW DOSES OF DIOXIN > Three new studies by researchers at University of Wisconsin > reveal that very low doses of dioxin alter the sexual development > of young male rats, causing demasculinization and > feminization. [1,2,3] > Dr. Linda S. Birnbaum, a scientist with U.S. EPA [Environmental > Protection Agency] calls the new studies "highly significant."[4] > Birnbaum is one of the chief scientists conducting the EPA's > formal reassessment of the toxicity of dioxin (see RHWN #269, > #270, #275). As we reported earlier (RHWN #279), many scientists, > including Birnbaum, now consider dioxin an "environmental > hormone." The new Wisconsin studies support that view. > The Wisconsin researchers, led by Dr. Richard E. Peterson, showed > that dioxin interferes with the sexual development of male rats > exposed to dioxin before, and shortly after, birth. Pregnant > female rats were given a single oral dose of dioxin on the 15th > day of pregnancy; their male offspring showed reduced levels of > male hormones in their blood and a variety of sexual aberrations > that stayed with them as they matured. The young males are > demasculinized and feminized by doses of dioxin too low to cause > any measurable toxicity in the mother rat. The sexual changes in > the young males are both physiological and behavioral, and last > into adulthood. > Dioxin passes through the placenta and enters the fetus, so the > rat fetuses received part of the mother's dose almost > immediately. After birth, the baby rats continued to receive a > small dose of dioxin through their mother's milk. Peterson says > the baby rats received the bulk of their dose through milk. In > rats and humans both, females rid their bodies of dioxin chiefly > by excreting it in their milk. Dioxin is soluble in fats and > oils, and milk is high in fat. > Dioxin is the common name for a family of 75 toxins, the most > potent of which is TCDD [2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-P-dioxin]. > The Wisconsin researchers used TCDD in their experiments. > More on this shocking story inc.Terror in times beach at > http://www.ejnet.org/rachel/rhwn290.htm > part of http://www.ejnet.org/dioxin/index.html -- ------------------------------------------------------------ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" -Ben Franklin (1755) ------------------------------------------------------------ From remailer at remailer.xganon.com Mon Jan 7 12:17:53 2002 From: remailer at remailer.xganon.com (Anonymous) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:17:53 -0600 Subject: WTFO Message-ID: <66d54452666c54f86238a24096e2ef9a@remailer.xganon.com> Trigger, trigger, on the wall Who's the Detwiler-ist of them all? -- Alive contains a lie... From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Jan 7 05:38:48 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:38:48 +0100 (MET) Subject: Orange crush In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, cubic-dog wrote: > Dunno, maybe you're right, I couldn't get it to happen in the lab > with phenols when I was a chem student without actually burning it. I I wouldn't cook polyhalogenated phenol dry or in high-boiling point solvents in presence of copper powder, and alcali. http://www.ping.be/~ping5859/Eng/ChlorineDiChem.html From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 6 19:54:40 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:54:40 +1100 Subject: Orange Crush Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020107144322.00a34c30@pop.useoz.com> >>TCDD or, 2-3-7-8-tetrachlorodibenzo-P-dioxin (C12,H4,Cl4,O2), is a CONTAMINATE artifact of the heat exchangers used in the reaction process not a constituent as so often stated.<< Thanks for that,the story about the west au batch is that fire/heat damaged a primary constituent during its manufacture in Singapore.The CATO institute is believed to be writing a new press release on how Toxic waste is good for you.One of the reasons I dump my recycled raw material here is to get free input such as yours,Its viewers like you that keep me going,Thank you. Last year 75,000 gallons of Round Up sprayed on Columbia leading to more clearing of tropical rainforest.Genocide AND suicide.(fact or factoid?) From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 6 19:59:03 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:59:03 +1100 Subject: Future Gnu's Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020107145745.00ab8bc0@pop.useoz.com> >>To make a long story short Bill, what I *meant* was *exactly* what I said, no more, and no less: "Can't we just kick him: period?". The suggestion was to implant a foot in his ass - literally. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org Come and get some chump. From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Jan 7 06:01:14 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:01:14 +0100 (MET) Subject: IP: Judge OKs FBI Keyboard Sniffing (fwd) Message-ID: -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:46:30 -0500 From: David Farber Reply-To: farber at cis.upenn.edu To: ip-sub-1 at majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: Judge OKs FBI Keyboard Sniffing [ In keeping with protocol, I was an expert witness (pro-bono) for the defense and submitted several affidavits on the technical issues djf] > http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,49455,00.html > >Judge OKs FBI Keyboard Sniffing >By Declan McCullagh >2:00 a.m. Jan. 4, 2002 PST WASHINGTON -- The Justice >Department can legally use a controversial electronic surveillance >technique in its prosecution of an alleged mobster. > >In the first case of its kind, a federal judge in Newark, New Jersey has >ruled that evidence surreptitiously gathered by the FBI about Nicodemo S. >Scarfo's reputed loan shark operation can be presented in a trial later >this year. > >U.S. District Judge Nicholas Politan said last week that it was perfectly >acceptable for FBI agents armed with a court order to sneak into Scarfo's >office, plant a keystroke sniffer in his PC and monitor its output. > >Scarfo had been using Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) encryption software to >encode confidential business data -- and frustrate the government's >attempts to monitor him. > > [snip] > >The court order from the federal magistrate judge stated that the FBI >could "install and leave behind software, firmware, and/or hardware >equipment, which will monitor the inputted data entered on Nicodemo S. >Scarfo's computer in the target location so that the FBI can capture the >password necessary to decrypt computer files by recording the key related >information as they are entered." > >Defense attorneys had said that the PGP pass-phrase snatching was akin to >a telephone wiretap and pointed out that the FBI never obtained a wiretap >order. Scarfo's lawyers also claimed the FBI was conducting a general >search of the sort loathed by the colonists at the time of the American >Revolution and thereafter outlawed by the Fourth Amendment's prohibition >of "unreasonable" searches. For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Jan 7 06:07:46 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:07:46 +0100 (MET) Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd In-Reply-To: <4E213D27-02D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Tim May wrote: > I'm thinking there's some common miswiring in the brains of these folks. If you think cpunks are bad, try cryonicists. Ugh. From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Mon Jan 7 07:19:47 2002 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:19:47 +0000 Subject: "Swiss bank in a box" References: <200112230046.fBN0kcB21188@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: <3C39BC93.CF74E7A1@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Though as a matter of off-topic actual fact, no gold (maybe outside a few labs that are trying hard) is likely to be pure enough not to be traceable. As far as I know archaeologists & art historians (& I assume police) have been matching gold artefacts to their sources for some time now. Not as easy as copper (or oil - tax people like being able to trace oil to wells) but doable. Doesn't alter Tim's point that you can obscure the origins my mixing gold from different places of course. Not, I imagine, something that anyone actually ever does, but it would obviously work. Googling for "gold isotope provenance" got me 911 hits. Ken Brown Eric Cordian wrote: > > Tim wrote: > > > ...gold can be melted and all traces of origin lost, save for some > > expensive tinkering with isotopic ratios, maybe. > > Gold, last I looked, had a single stable isotope which accounted for 100% > of its natural abundance. 79-Au-197. > > One piece of pure stable gold is indistinguishable from another. > > So if your gold is pure and isn't radioactive, it hasn't been tagged by > isotopic ratio tweeks. From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 6 20:35:44 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:35:44 +1100 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020107150944.00aba6e0@pop.useoz.com> >>You mean like your foaming-at-the-mouth denunciations of Declan and others?<< I dont know about others but the Declan thing just blew up,jya was right on declan.As for foaming check out how easily insulted declan and Tim are by extremely mild ribbing by seth.The regular froth on mass murder is background. >>By the way, calling CJ Parker a "genius" is the strangest thing I've read in a long while.<< Stranger than Tim's plan for a 'sweet spot' crypto application for the russian mafia,then his declaration of a 5 year 'crypto winter',then gotterdammerung predicted for dec 15.Then ducking the anarchy debate.Strange days Indeed. >>He fits the pattern we're now seeing with mattd, The pattern where father Tim calls us all "folks",dropping his creepy fascist mannerism's for a minute is funny. >>and that we saw in the past with Detweiler and Vulis. And that we often see with your own posts, John. Namely, a mix of schizophrenia, dyslexia, paranoia, and Tourette's Syndrome.<< Left out Aspergers,accumulation of errors,possible early sign of senility.I wouldn't bring up paranoid if I were you Timmy. >> Some are more dyslexic than others, and it's likely that with some the word juxtapositions and malapropisms are completely intentional.<< This from a lamenter of lost irony,have you considered stand up comedy? >>I used to thing folks were trying to emulate Detweiler, then Toto. Now I'm thinking there's some common miswiring in the brains of these folks. --Tim May<< No miswiring in my neo-nazi take on crypto-anarchy.TM ; Curt saxon of corralitos. >>"That government is best which governs not at all." --Henry David Thoreau<< Still in Cali Tim? Not moving to Montana soon? From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 6 20:59:45 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:59:45 +1100 Subject: Faustine the psychopath Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020107155425.038b0e00@pop.useoz.com> Justine,for an example of criminal psycho behavior look no further than the theft and subsequent use of PROMIS software by the Govt you come here spewing the benefits and wisdom of.(especially in Guatemala and South Africa) "This type of buggery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Mon Jan 7 08:03:20 2002 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:03:20 +0000 Subject: contextual anonymity References: <200201012243.RAA31459@mail.lokmail.net> Message-ID: <3C39C6C8.7EC810AA@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Faustine wrote: > After I thought about it, I got that sickening little feeling in the pit of my > stomach again. Jesus christ, I can't even have a visitor without setting off > some kind of alarm worth investigating. How much time had she spent watching the > front door to pick up on the fact that we never have guests? It was then that I > had the epiphany that if I were doing anything I actually needed anonymity > for--rather than merely living quietly and making a symbolic gesture--there's > not a doubt in my mind she'd have the cops, SWAT teams, and the five o' clock > news all over us like a cheap suit. A few weeks ago I, and my daughter, went to stay with my brother for a weekend. I left a radio on (not a self-conscious security measure, one of them is usually on about 24 hours a day) and (don't ask why) the telephone was off the hook. On the Saturday some friends phoned from a nearby pub to see if I wanted a drink. No answer. They got worried for some reason and phoned the phone company. They said that the phone was off the hook and they could hear shouting. (The radio...) My friends got worried and went round to my place. Couldn't get in. They called the police. I turned up the next evening to find my door kicked in and boarded up, and a note from the police. Well, at least I now have a nice new door paid for by Her Majesty's Government. And - seeing as my mates were there at the time - I now know that police in London who want to break into someone's house don't routinely go armed, and don't turn up in large numbers. Though they do use a special "enforcer" tool that is meant to break a hole in the door near the lock, but didn't in this case, and they ended up smashing the whole thing up. I once saw the fire brigade break in to the flat upstairs - their special tools didn't work either, but one well-aimed kick was enough to push the intact door and its frame out from the wall. Irritating to the occupant who had installed a metal strip around the door frame to prevent a break-in. Ken From schear at lvcm.com Mon Jan 7 16:04:45 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:04:45 -0800 Subject: Red Flag Linux beats out Windows in Beijing Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107160430.03bf8670@pop3.lvcm.com> Red Flag Linux beats out Windows in Beijing Research outfit Gartner has noted an ominous development for Microsoft and other non-indigenous firms operating in China. On 28th December 2001 the Beijing municipal government awarded contracts to six local software vendors, and rejected the seventh bidder - Microsoft. The contract covers office automation, antivirus and operating software, one of the winners being Linux OS vendor Red Flag. The move is particularly important because it may signify a trend. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23548.html From tcmay at got.net Mon Jan 7 16:11:10 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:11:10 -0800 Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <1C473492-034A-11D6-8AB0-00306577F12E@bounty.org> Message-ID: <384D812E-03CC-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 12:39 AM, Petro wrote: > On Sunday, January 6, 2002, at 06:37 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: > >> Nor do I. If the neighbor's kid wants to steal my >> overweight television or 233-MHz PC, it's not worth killing him for, Bill is of course welcome to invite the neighbor's kids to steal his stuff. My mileage varies. I think it is a moral necessity to kill anyone trying to steal anything (beyond the utterly trivial or confusable, e.g., one should not kill someone picking up a toy left out in the yard...might be a mistake, he might be trying to return it, etc.). Someone stealing a television or PC has certainly earned killing. This is what strong crypto will make more possible: the deliverance of strong vengeance, untraceably. (Hint: This preceeded Jimbell by many years.) Fact is, many people have already earned killing. The only reason we cannot dispose of them is that liberal shits interfere with vengeance. > > There are only 3 things in my home worth killing to protect: > (1) My wife. > (2) My self. > (3) My guns. Again, my mileage varies. And since I decide what is important to me, it's "my house, my rules." > I don't mind that a lot of people are liberal pansies who believe thieves are not worthy of killing. However, if they help to pass laws restricting my own choices, then they have earned killing themselves. Certainly nearly every member, with but a handful of exceptions, of Congress has earned the death penalty many times over. --Tim May "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive?" --Alexander Solzhenitzyn, Gulag Archipelago From schear at lvcm.com Mon Jan 7 16:11:28 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:11:28 -0800 Subject: How to defeat spyware Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107161115.03bb81c8@pop3.lvcm.com> How to defeat spyware There's no way of knowing how many people are using them, but it must be a bunch. Companies use them, the government uses them, and suspicious spouses use them. I'm talking about keystroke loggers--both software and hardware. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2836055,00.html From tcmay at got.net Mon Jan 7 16:46:02 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:46:02 -0800 Subject: How to defeat spyware In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107161115.03bb81c8@pop3.lvcm.com> Message-ID: <176FA769-03D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 04:11 PM, Steve Schear wrote: > How to defeat spyware > There's no way of knowing how many people are using them, but it must > be a bunch. Companies use them, the government uses them, and > suspicious spouses use them. I'm talking about keystroke loggers--both > software and hardware. > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2836055,00.html > Setting a trap gun to blow away anyone who inserts a floppy (or hooks up a cable) to a machine he has not been given access to is morally permissable. As the Mafia case shows, Big Brother and his courts no longer even think a warrant is needed. What a country. --Tim May "They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote." --Rep. Ron Paul, TX, on how few Congresscritters saw the USA-PATRIOT Bill before voting overwhelmingly to impose a police state From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Mon Jan 7 08:46:36 2002 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:46:36 +0000 Subject: Decent Orwell Article. References: <3C349B6A.DD32FC17@lsil.com> Message-ID: <3C39D0EC.672B4DD5@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> For those who haven't seen the page, the idea is that Blair chose the date 1984 as the 100th anniversary of the founding of the Fabian Society (British centre-left policy organisation dedicated to state socialism, that once included HG Wells, Edith Nesbit, and George Bernard Shaw). I think that anyone who can get worked up about the Fabian Society is on the verge of reds-under-the-beds paranoia. As Evil Conspiracies go it is just a little bit public and a little bit wet. The Iron Heel is set in 1984, but that, in turn, might derive from Chesterton's The Napoleon of Notting Hill, also set in 1984. It seems to have been the traditional year of the future... OTOH Orwell said 1984 was just 1948 reversed & why not? (Do we believe Clarke about HAL=IBM-1?) Ken Brown Michael Motyka wrote: > > An interesting read in which the author delves into some details of > Orwell's life and possible origins and targets of his satire. Includes > some neat stuff regarding the dates 1984 and 2000. Time to go read Iron > Heel by Jack London. > > http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/158445.html From schear at lvcm.com Mon Jan 7 16:47:45 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:47:45 -0800 Subject: Neighborhood wireless summit Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107164643.03c443d0@pop3.lvcm.com> >The Seattle Wireless Network had a huge meeting yesterday with >presentations by founders and leaders of most of the large wireless >networks in the world. Amazing group of guys, one after another from >BAWUG (www.bawug.org), the London Consume net, NY wireless, BC, >Portland, etc. including developers of the 802.11x specification, >Nocat (http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2001/11/09/nocatauth.html) > >These guys are building fabrics that will route at 10Mbps all over their >regions for free. The meeting was streamed over the internet live. >There are photos which you can find in the list archives of Seattle Wireless, >http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/FrontPage There were approx. >100 people. > >My understanding was these folks had all come to Seattle for meetings, >to working on global coordination of IP spaces, routing, stuff like that. > >There are some fascinating technical differences between the >wireless networks in different cities. > >Driven by circumstances >------------------------ >In the UK for example, Wireless ISPs (WISPs) cannot happen because >802.11 is strictly nonbusiness. And, 802.11 is limited to 10 milliwatts >(1/10th of the US). Internet access is killingly expensive; many APs >are underground activities. > >NY for example has a horrible deficiency in line-of-sight connectivity >between buildings, and a relative surplus of megabit internet access by >corporations so it has mostly access points (APs) hanging off DSL and T1 >lines. > >Driven by culture/technical differences >------------------------------------------ >Seattle generally regards DSL sharing as out of scope and generally >distasteful. Seattle seems to be building a routed network with lots of >APs supported by lots of crosstown links with highly directional >antennas. Seattle says they're just going to build a whole parallel, free, >internet. PersonalTelco in Portland seems to believe in an ideological >purity of omnidirectional antennas, with a long term vision of mesh >networking. I seem to understand Seattle would have Nocat portals as >the prevailing practice? Where Portland would be more like a self- >organized Nokia Rooftop network >http://www.wirelessnewsfactor.com/perl/story/12619.html (Rooftop >constructs mesh networks on the fly. None of the free wireless networks >are anywhere near the "Rooftop" capability.) > >My understanding is that the mathematics of mesh networks and swarmcast >demonstrate an interesting phenomenon that the more nodes who stick >their antenna into the cloud, the more routes appear and there is a >virtuous circle of improving performance. > >Instead of heat death, from congestion you get a virtuous cycle of >greater capacity. Fsckin unbelievable. Unregulated, and all but >unregulatable. Just like oral speech and visual eyesight-- except >having unlimited range. > >I sat next to Tim Pozar, got a free 20-mnute tutorial on long distance >links. His team has transbay links of 15-20 miles in the >http://www.bawug.org community. We need some 5 mile links across >a lake to reach SWN. Tim's a founder of BAWUG and his papers are >at http://www.lns.com/papers/ > >Imagine the possibilities! No. Plan on them. > >Todd > > > > >------ Meeting Announcement -------- > >From: mattw at seattlewireless.net >Subject: SeattleWireless: Special Meeting 01/06/2002 > >Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! >Wireless Meeting in Georgetown! > > http://www.seattlewireless.net/?SummitJanuary2002 > >The WirelessSummit is your chance to meet organizers, contributors >vendors and enthusiasts from other wireless groups across the western >world. If you can only make it to one meeting this month, this is the >one >to be at! > >You will hear from group leaders and contributors, See cool hacks, >Check out the latest hardware and software and you may even get FREE >STUFF! > >Which Wireless groups will be represented? > > - BAWUG (San Francisco) > - BCWireless (Vancouver, BC) > - Consume > - NoCat (Sebastapol, CA) > - NYC Wireless (New York City) > - PersonalTelco (Portland) > - Austin Wireless (TX) > - and of course, SeattleWireless :) > >... From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Mon Jan 7 08:51:38 2002 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:51:38 +0000 Subject: Snitches out themselves.Canarypunk stool pigeons,peter Trei a nd declanMc Crapface. References: <20020104104307.A13654@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <3C39D21A.2AD87F81@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> I took a holiday from many things over the traditional 12 days of Christmas, including cypherpunks and television. (Though my daughter reminds me that we did watch a couple of hour's TV on New Year's Eve, and for some reason she wanted me to watch a video of Forrest Gump on Saturday). I got back to the email universe to find 440 cypherpunks postings from mattd. Much as I love Ozzy anarchists I wasn't tempted to read them. Ken Declan McCullagh wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 10:19:52AM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > > > mattd[SMTP:mattd at useoz.com] wrote: > > > Peter Trei's addy is ptrei at rsasecurity.com > > > Ill be researching this 'security company' Probably just an Idiot,like > > > declan, but could be dangerous. > > > > > Oh, this is rich! > > > > Someone claiming to be an informed poster to the > > cypherpunks list who doesn't know RSA Security > > Inc's status in the field. > > Actually, has mattd/proffr ever claimed to be an "informed poster?" :) > > At least, as I think you said yesterday, CJ had much more flair, > and a better understanding of things cypherpunkly. Ah well. Procmail > makes things much better. From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Mon Jan 7 09:10:39 2002 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:10:39 +0000 Subject: Fear and Trembling References: Message-ID: <3C39D68F.E920F86C@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> John Young wrote: [...] > The short-lived patriotism after WTC/Pentagon has been > transformed into uncritical jingoism in the US and surprisingly > in the copycat UK. Why "surprisingly"? Every UK administration since 1945 has been America's poodle in foreign affairs and military matters. [...] > These targets are not celebrated, they are taken for > granted as if to last forever, well, as long as King George > lasted on the American continent George III's rule on the American continent lasted longer than George Washington's did. 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I'm talking about keystroke loggers--both software and hardware. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2836055,00.html >Setting a trap gun to blow away anyone who inserts a floppy (or hooks up a cable) to a machine he has not been given access to is morally permissable. But legally a no-no. Its an indescriminate weapon. Better to hook up the arsonal to an biometric authentication system which can be enabled when you're away. That way if there's a mess to clean up upon arrival you can tell the judge that the weapon wasn't indescriminate. From tcmay at got.net Mon Jan 7 17:42:11 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:42:11 -0800 Subject: How to defeat spyware In-Reply-To: <20020108011003.29368.qmail@sidereal.kz> Message-ID: On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 05:10 PM, Dr. Evil wrote: >> Setting a trap gun to blow away anyone who inserts a floppy (or >> hooks up a cable) to a machine he has not been given access to is >> morally permissable. > > Morally permissable or not, a shotgun and a string are unlikely to be > effective. The FBI went so far as to get a law passed that says that > they can use classified technical techniques to execute the warrant so > that they don't have to reveal their methods in court. Could those > methods include something as simple as a backdoor in Windows, or some > kind of hack into Windows? I don't have any evidence one way or the > other, but it's a reasonable possibility. These guys are risk averse > and they are on a budget, and sending in a team of armed hackers is > both risky and expensive. > > Before you get the shotgun and some string and risk blowing your own > head off, install a real OS. Do you think the FBI break-in team has > an OpenBSD rootkit? Look into what's inside OS X, which is what I run. A lot of FreeBSD, some Mach, etc. However, I don't kid myself that keystroke loggers for Macs, which I have bought myself for my own use (some years ago) won't be carried by spooks doing sneak and peak entries. One approach is to use a removable hard disk, or a PC Card (PCMCIA) to handle the PGP keys and buffers. The new flash-based USB dongles, a la "PEN," look intriguing. Carry it around your neck and only insert it long enough to get the needed passphrases and private keys off it. A technical question for anyone: If I store passphrases (and keys, for extra security) on a flash-based USB drive dongle, and then use cut-and-paste to access them and paste them into PGP, is it possible for a keystroke logger to see them? In the Mac at least, pasting from a file or from the clipboard does not of course go through the keyboard. So a straightforward intercept of the keyboard driver at the BIOS level should not see the pasted material. I realize that "keystroke logger" can mean more than just logging the keyboard, however. Some of you might have already looked into this and may have some data points. It seems to me that the older type of keystroke logger (history file in Unix, Ghostwriter, etc.) can be defeated thusly. Selecting letters with a mouse on the screen also bypasses the keyboard. The question is, are "keystroke loggers" actually doing more than keystroke logging. 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That was not the case on November 13, 2001 in Clark County District Court, Las Vegas, Nevada. http://www.givemeliberty.org/features/taxes/schiff11-15-01.htm From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 6 23:28:00 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:28:00 +1100 Subject: Two Reviews: TV Spy Shows and "A Beautiful Mind" Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020107173614.00a39c30@pop.useoz.com> >>A recent episode used "anonymous remailers" as a plot device, with spies using them to communicate.<< Memo to jya.Couple of years to APster,tops. >>This show has been remarkably prescient (though not to folks like us) about public events. Episodes already in the can before 911 dealt with the Al Quaida terrorists, anthrax, and suitcase nukes. Some were deemed so close to real world events that they were delayed, sometimes more than once.<< Tims delay on commenting on the FBI anthrax investigation freeze; Senility or treachery or BOTH!? >> The only exciting scenes were of a woman killing someone on a jet and then rigging explosives to detonate the escape door (she had a chute).<< Sandline,the UK mercenary outfit have a couple of Boeings,presumably for sale/hire.Mundane reality.Anarcho-capitalist army of the future? >> Less related to spy themes, "UC: Undercover." A good series about an FBI undercover infiltration team.<< They spy on the Soprano's pretty good.Directly related to spy themes anyone with a normal mind on this list might notice,Tims slipping. >>Now, on to "A Beautiful Mind." I'll try to forget Bob Hettinga's gratuitous, but oh-so-typical, negative comparison of me to the John Nash character.<< Nash had some nasty *nazi* strands.Not like our Timmy.Oh no,never.Stop it! >>There are several themes in this movie of interest to (some) Cypherpunks list subscribers: 1. Nash's role in game theory. Especially the theory of Nash equilibria, which relates closely to Schelling points, which relates closely to notions of where "rights" come from.<< That relates to Tims fascination with technical sounding obscurantist,dehumanizing jargon.Tim has a right to enjoy scientologist style crap. >>2. Codes and code-breaking. This is somewhat fanciful, for reasons which become clear a bit later in the movie. << Language as communication not code is something Tim disapproves of. >>3. Paranoia and schizophrenia. Nash would have done well on the Cypherpunks list, had it existed back in the 1950s.<< Not Tims list.See archive for Pope Tim's excommunication of jim bell,early 96.plus many more recent papal Bulls. >>(edit)...However, anybody who doesn't know the basics of game theory--payoff matrices, games of chicken, prisoner's dilemma, etc.--is not likely to understand the "who gets the blonde" very brief scene. Too bad, as the game theory part is what was most interesting to me.<< You lost a game of chicken with me last week and dont seem understand prisoners dilemma,also you keep going on about digital swiss banks.Are you nuts? >>(* Nash Equilibria. Imagine India and Pakistan both competing for the ultimate prize, Kashmir. Nash showed that the "best is the enemy of the good" by showing that a good-enough equilibrium exists when, say, both nations accept less than their first choice. The movie portrays this as a bunch of guys competing for a gorgeous blonde, but winning by accepting the lesser women around the blonde. As with many things in game theory, it works better in theory in practice.<< Anarcho-capitalism anyone? >>In practice, _someone_ competes for the blonde and gets her, something the abstract model skips. But the notion of Nash equilibria is important because it leads directly to Schelling points, an extension of the idea. The borders between India and Pakistan are largely a series of Nash equilibrium points. Borders are "arrived at without explicit negotiation" for information-theoretic reasons.)<< I think we might be safer in jim bells anarchy. >>The film is worth seeing for several reasons. Russell Crowe does a fine acting job.<< You might enjoy "The sum of us" then Timmy. >> The theme is interesting. Members of this list will likely find several points of resonance, though nothing explicity about politics in the film.<< Not much politics on this list since we found that "yes,we have no libertarians." >>I'm concerned, though, about elevating John Nash to superhero cult status. His "great idea" was interesting (more than anything I have done, of course),<< False modesty,Tim,You are shitloads more interesting.(or were once.) >>but was done when he was very young and can almost be seen as a pretty obvious extension of minimax and Von Neumann/Morgenstern payoff matrices..<< The Hungarians are the real trailblazers,Whit Diffie should have his own movie.Tim still loves his jargon. >> We all know that people don't compete mindlessly for the "best," that they routinely accept second-best. This is part of the cost-benefit calculus of life. Nash did more than just hand-wave about this, of course...his sets of curves have mathematical rigor. So he deserves a role in the pantheon of game theorists, but we shouldn't let his nuttiness give him more credit than he would be due if he had just evolved into a Rand Corp. talking head as so many of them did.<< Admiring johns curves,carefull Tim,you'll out yourself.Shouldn't let your fascist nuttiness give you more credit than as a Cypherpunk windsock.Any thoughts on the stupidity of peter Trei? RSA for hiring him? Say something definite for once. >>A fellow nutcase in Princeton (*) during the same period was Kurt Godel (umlaut over the single "o"). His achievement was the greater one, and he remained a member of the IAS until his death. His story would be just as interesting, though maybe not as sympathetic as Nash's.<< Whats his diagnosis oh Shrinkus Maximus? >>All in all, recommended. I thought the film started briskly but then slowed to a crawl in the third reel. It picked up again in the final reel.<< Probably how the cypherpunk movie will go.Who to play you Tim? Ronnie Cox or ned beatty? Thanks for the free reviews >>--Tim May "The State is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else." --Frederic Bastiat<< Moving to Montana soon? From tcmay at got.net Mon Jan 7 18:35:00 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:35:00 -0800 Subject: Orange crush In-Reply-To: <1a68011b4dc5841df34f94c7a10f44a7@mix.winterorbit.com> Message-ID: <4FE5BA18-03E0-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 06:02 PM, Anonymous wrote: > cubic-brain drooled: > >> Herbicides have existed a hell of a lot longer than 50 years, even >> so-called modern chlorinated herbicides have been around since the >> late 1800s. > > Total, absolute, unadulterated bullshit! You must work for the > feds to be able to lie that baldfacedly. There were no agri-chemicals > before WWII. They tried using asenic as an insecticide early on, but > gave up on it rather quickly. At any rate, there were certainly no > herbicides before WWII. > Sounds like the chem lab experiments you did in high school did > a number on your forebrain. > Or maybe you can give us a cite? Google turns up many cites for the existence of both agri-chemicals and herbicides before WWII. http://www.pestmanagement.co.uk/culture/history.html is one such cite. Some excerpts from a timeline: 1890's Introduction of lead arsenate for insect control 1893 Recognition of arthropods as vectors of human diseases 1896 First selective herbicide, iron sulphate, was found to kill broad leaf weeds 1901 First successful biological control of a weed (lantana in Hawaii) 1899-1909 Breeding programme that developed varieties of cotton, cowpeas and water melon resistant to Fusarium wilt 1915 Control of malaria and yellow fever carrying mosquitoes allowing completion of the Panama Canal after its abandonment in the late 1800's 1920-1930 More than 30 cases of natural enemy establishment were recorded throughout the world 1921 First aerial application in insecticide against Catalpa sphinx moth in Ohio, USA 1929 First area-wide eradication of an insect pest against Meditteranean fruit fly in Florida, USA 1930 Introduction of snythetic organic compounds for plant pathogen control 1939 Recognition of insecticide properties of DDT 1940 W.G.Templeman observed the amazing selectivity of the herbicidal activity of 7- naphthalacetic acid. The subsequent development of this compound led to 2,4-D in 1944 and MCPA which revolutionized weed control in cereals. Use of milky disease to control the Japanese beetle as the first successful use of an entomopathogen > > --Tim May "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around." --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 6 23:41:03 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:41:03 +1100 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020107183703.00a3deb0@pop.useoz.com> >>. A joke beats a wise statement any day of the week for content, style and performance. << Great post JYA! >>>WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD? >>> >>> >>> From the Human Resources/Training Perspective: >>> The chicken had a vision. The chicken was proficient in the core >>> competencies necessary to implement the plan and make the vision >>> reality. >>> >>> Pat Buchanan: >>> To steal a job from a decent, hard-working American. >>> >>> Machiavelli: >>> The point is that the chicken crossed the road. Who cares why? The >>> ends of crossing the road justify whatever motive there was. >>> >>> Thomas de Torquemada: >>> Give me ten minutes with the chicken and I'll find out. >>> >>> Timothy Leary: >>> Because that's the only kind of trip the Establishment would let >>> it take. >>> >>> Carl Jung: >>> The confluence of events in the cultural gestalt necessitated that >>> individual chickens cross roads at this historical juncture, and, >>> therefore, synchronicitously brought such occurrences into being. >>> >>> John Locke: >>> Because he was exercising his natural right to liberty. >>> >>> Albert Camus: >>> It doesn't matter; the chicken's actions have no meaning except to >>> him. >>> >>> Fox Mulder: >>> It was a government conspiracy. >>> >>> Darwin: >>> Chickens, over great periods of time, have been naturally selected >>> in such a way that they are now genetically dispositioned to cross >>> roads. >>> >>> Darwin #2: >>> It was the logical next step after coming down from the trees. >>> >>> Richard M. Nixon: >>> The chicken did not cross the road. I repeat, the chicken did not >>> cross the road. >>> >>> Oliver Stone: >>> The question is not "Why did the chicken cross the road?" but is >>> rather "Who was crossing the road at the same time whom we >>> overlooked in our haste to observe the chicken crossing?" >>> >>> Jerry Seinfeld: >>> Why does anyone cross a road? I mean, why doesn't anyone ever >>> think to ask, "What the heck was this chicken doing walking around >>> all over the place anyway?" >>> >>> The Pope: >>> That is only for God to know. >>> >>> Louis Farrakhan: >>> The road, you will see, represents the black man. The chicken >>> crossed the "black man" in order to trample him and keep him down. >>> >>> Martin Luther King, Jr.: >>> I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads >>> without having their motives called into question. >>> >>> Immanuel Kant: >>> The chicken, being an autonomous being, chose to cross the road of >>> his own free will. >>> >>> Grandpa: >>> In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Someone >>> told us that the chicken had crossed the road, and that was good >>> enough for us. >>> >>> Dirk Gently (Holistic Detective): >>> I'm not exactly sure why, but right now I've got a horse in my >>> bathroom. >>> >>> Bill Gates: >>> I have just released the new Chicken 2000, which will both cross >>> roads AND balance your checkbook, though when it divides 3 by 2 it >>> gets 1.4999999999. >>> >>> M.C.Escher: >>> That depends on which plane of reality the chicken was on at the >>>time. >>> >>> George Orwell: >>> Because the government had fooled him into thinking that he was >>> crossing the road of his own free will, when he was really only >>> serving their interests. >>> >>> Plato: >>> For the greater good. >>> >>> Aristotle: >>> To actualize its potential. >>> >>> Karl Marx: >>> It was a historical inevitability. >>> >>> Nietzsche: >>> Because if you gaze too long across the Road, the Road gazes also >>> across you. >>> >>> B.F. Skinner: >>> Because the external influences, which had pervaded its sensorium >>> from birth, had caused it to develop in such a fashion that it >>> would tend to cross roads, even while believing these actions to >>> be of its own freewill. >>> >>> Jean-Paul Sartre: >>> In order to act in good faith and be true to itself, the chicken >>> found it necessary to cross the road. >>> >>> Albert Einstein: >>> Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed the >>> chicken depends upon your frame of reference. >>> >>> Pyrrho the Skeptic: >>> What road? >>> >>> The Sphinx: >>> You tell me. >>> >>> Buddha: >>> If you ask this question, you deny your own chicken nature. >>> >>> Emily Dickenson: >>> Because it could not stop for death. >>> >>> Ralph Waldo Emerson: >>> It didn't cross the road; it transcended it. >>> >>> Ernest Hemingway: >>> To die. In the rain. >>> >>> Saddam Hussein: >>> This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite >>> justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it. >>> >>> Saddam Hussein #2: >>> It is the Mother of all Chickens. >>> >>> Joseph Stalin: >>> I don't care. Catch it. I need its eggs to make my omelette. >>> >>> Dr. Seuss: >>> Did the chicken cross the road? >>> Did he cross it with a toad? >>> Yes the chicken crossed the road, >>> but why it crossed it, I've not been told! >>> >>> Colonel Sanders: >>> I missed one? From mean-green at hushmail.com Mon Jan 7 18:41:24 2002 From: mean-green at hushmail.com (mean-green at hushmail.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:41:24 -0800 Subject: End of the IRS?? Message-ID: <200201080241.g082fOj76178@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> What: Department of Justice U.S. Assistant Attorney Dan Bryant and Congressman Roscoe Bartlett (MD) signed a written agreement on July 20, 2001, for a recorded public hearing at which DOJ representatives will officially answer specific legal charges challenging the jurisdiction of the IRS and the illegal enforcement of U.S. income tax laws against U.S. citizens. IRS Commissioner Charles Rossotti has committed IRS representatives to participate. When: 2 full days, February 27th and 28th, 2002. Your early donation is greatly appreciated. Where: >From Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C., WebCast to any computer with Internet access, at any connection speed, on PC or Mac computer. Participants: We The People Delegates, Tax Researchers and Attorneys will interrogate legal and tax experts from the DOJ and IRS. ---------------------------------- > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > July 20, 2001 > CONTACT: Mike Bodine (518) 656-3578 > DOJ and the U.S. Congress Officially Commit to Send IRS Tax and Legal > Experts to Appear on Capitol Hill. Public Hearing to be Conducted > by Rep. Roscoe Bartlett and Rep. Henry Hyde to Answer Citizens' Challenges > of IRS Jurisdiction and Illegal Enforcement of U.S. Tax Law. > < Washington D.C. -- We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education, > Inc. announce that the Department of Justice and the U.S. Congress > have committed, in writing, to appear with IRS representatives in a > recorded, public meeting to officially answer to charges challenging the > legal jurisdiction of the IRS and the enforcement of U.S. income tax > laws against U.S. citizens. > Department of Justice U.S. Assistant Attorney General Dan Bryant > and Congressmen Roscoe Bartlett (MD) signed the written agreement > Friday that commits the government to send their top tax and legal experts to > a two-day September hearing to be conducted on Capitol Hill. These actions > are in response to a proper petition for redress of grievances brought by > Robert Schulz, Chairman of the Foundation. Schulz ended his 3-week hunger > fast mid-afternoon today after having secured official commitment from > representatives of the U.S. Government that his formal petition > will be answered. > Schulz has been in Washington since July 4th on a hunger fast > until death, if needed, to force the government to respond to his legal > Remonstrance, a petition for redress of grievances. These grievances include > challenges of IRS jurisdiction, routine and gross violations of due process by > the IRS, the refusal of the IRS to cite the specific law that requires > employers or employees to withhold taxes and the fraudulent ratification of the > 16th (Income Tax) Amendment. > DOJ's Bryant is quoted, "The American people are entitled to > answers. It is in our nation's interest that we participate and answer these > questions." > While largely ignored by the media and other government > officials, Rep. > Bartlett has stood alone on the Hill (until recently) in public > defense of Schulz's absolute Constitutional Right to petition for redress and > be answered by the government. On Tuesday, Bartlett initiated a > formal Congressional Inquiry to the IRS demanding official government > responses for Schulz. > Today, DOJ's Dan Bryant agreed to Rep. Bartlett's requirements > that the "congressional briefing-like hearings" be conducted in public and > be recorded and broadcast live. The meetings will have appropriate > procedural controls and security. It is expected Rep. Henry Hyde (IL), former > Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee will gavel the sessions. > Schulz was "elated that government officials have finally > responded as they are required by both the 1st Amendment to the Constitution > and their oaths of office." > The agreement, penned on Congressional letterhead, was signed at > the Department of Justice headquarters. Bryant assured both Rep. > Bartlett and Schulz there is "virtually no chance of being overridden on this > matter." Bartlett promised Schulz, "I assure you. The IRS will be there at > those meetings." > Schulz continued, "I have met with these gentlemen face-to-face > and have looked in their eyes. I am satisfied they are men of honor. We > have cemented our agreement with a handshake. The fast ends today. > After decades of obfuscation, avoidance, creative restructuring > and 'simplification' of the 9,500-page tax code, the truth is about to > be revealed. The Sovereign Citizens have exercised their Right to > petition. It is no coincidence that President Bush revealed in this week's > New York Times that the government has begun to publicly discuss > alternative tax systems, including disposal of the entire tax code. The internet > and talk radio have facilitated detailed research, documentation and > discussion of these charges across the nation. > If our income tax system is publicly confirmed to be without > force of law upon the People, and is truly as 'voluntary' as the IRS so often > advertises, it is highly likely that the government may move quickly to > implement a replacement tax such as a national sales tax. The People must > remain vigilant that one illegal tax is not replaced by another. > The taxing powers granted to the federal government by our > Constitution are explicit, limited and must be complied with. Since 1787, the > mechanism for an orderly and peaceful transition to a legal tax system has > resided in Article 1 Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution. This is a states' > Rights issue. The day that our government has shunned has arrived. The > Sovereign Citizens have formally demanded and exercised their Rights. We The People > have been heard." From schear at lvcm.com Mon Jan 7 19:41:00 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:41:00 -0800 Subject: End of the IRS?? In-Reply-To: <200201080241.g082fOj76178@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107193511.03edbe78@pop3.lvcm.com> At 06:41 PM 1/7/2002 -0800, you wrote: >What: >Department of Justice U.S. Assistant Attorney Dan Bryant and Congressman >Roscoe Bartlett (MD) signed a written agreement on July 20, 2001, for a >recorded public hearing at which DOJ representatives will officially >answer specific legal charges challenging the jurisdiction of the IRS and >the illegal enforcement of U.S. income tax laws against U.S. citizens. IRS >Commissioner Charles Rossotti has committed IRS representatives to >participate. Ha, ha, ha! 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Anybody who was looking knows that dialup accounts were being scanned constantly at least a couple years ago, and, of course dsl and cable accounts have been from the word go. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com From tcmay at got.net Mon Jan 7 20:29:43 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:29:43 -0800 Subject: How to defeat spyware In-Reply-To: <20020108033128.31385.qmail@sidereal.kz> Message-ID: <56CBED40-03F0-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 07:31 PM, Dr. Evil wrote: > ... > Yeah, that proposal (snipped above) would definitely defeat the plain > old BIOS keyloggers. How sophisticated is the FBI stuff? Let's make > some reasoned speculation. > > Most of their targets aren't going to be super-sophisticated hackers > who will do those kind of things. The FBI has a whole bunch of tools > which they use to achieve their goal (get the conviction, etc). > Generally, they don't need any one of those tools to be perfect. The > plain old keystroke logger would work in most cases, probably. > However, that is not the end of the story... All security is economics. Move-countermove, defense-offense, etc. That basic keystroker loggers is "good enough" to get "most" of what they want is not surprising. Pareto tradeoffs apply. Higher security costs. Comments to follow. > >> Selecting letters with a mouse on the screen also bypasses the >> keyboard. > > Ouch! That might work for occasional short messages, but for daily > use? I mostly meant for PGP passphrases, to decrypt a series of incoming messages. Though if they can keystroke log, all messages written by the target are vulnerable. No, I wouldn't suggest composing long messages one letter at a time. (Though the most sensitive of all messages are likely to be brief, a la the cononical "Attack at dawn.") A sufficiently worried person could use a scanner, either typing a message on a typewriter and then OCRing it, presumably beyond the ability of keystroke loggers to see, or just doing an image scan of a handwritten note and then PGPing that. At this level of worry, there are probably easier technological solutions, such as: using a Palm or other handheld for critical typing, using a second machine kept locked up (*), putting a laptop in a bag and then sealing it with sealing wax (hard for black baggers to duplicate on the spot), the dongle idea, removable disk drives, etc. All security is economics. When the U.S. Navy uses secure communications to communicate with a ship, they don't just have a guy sit down at a laptop and fire up PGP. They have nested security layers, including controls on access to the "crypto shack," layers of keyed access to crypto materials, and air gaps between machines and other parts of the system. All of this takes time to set up, training for the personnel (my condolences to them, as this is often drone work), and lots of bureaucracy. Almost everyone here is smart enough to realize that a lot of the jive about RSA taking all the computer power in the universe to crack (and then some, for large enough numbers) means nothing if key material has been compromised, if Van Eck radiation is being used to monitor equipment, and so on. The graph I always like to use is with "value of thing being protected" on the X-axis and "costs to use protection" on the Y-axis. Something that could land one in prison for 10 years, or worse, clearly jusitfies using very good crypto hygiene, that is, spending a fair amount of time and effort to ensure good security. Getting all traffic in PGP form, including mattd's and Choate's forwarded articles, clearly cannot justify the same level of care. The "one size fits all" approach of a "1024-bit key" is misleading. (I'm not saying that the important thing is to vary key lengths. In fact, may as well just standardize on 2048-bit keys or even larger. What I _am_ saying is that the whole PGP approach encourages people to think in terms of just using PGP...instead of using a layered approach. Seen this way, RSA/PGP is just one particular component of a larger system. Of course, selling this to the world is tough, as people want immediate gratification and ease-of-use. This is where "rolling your own" makes some sense, as the underlying mathematics is solid, but the crypto hygiene of using dongles, locking up laptops in safes, etc. is enough to stop many of the "sneak and peek" attacks. > Bottom line: I don't have any knowledge of what the FBI actually does, > but there are off-the-shelf commercial things out there which defeat > what you described, so it's safe to assume that the FBI has something > like that if they feel they need it. Meta-bottom line has always been: if the adversary can get access to your hardware, all bets are off. Morris showed this many years ago with compilers. Hence the approach of using PDAs or removable disk drives (flash, iPod, Dallas Semiconductor buttons) which make it much tougher for the FBI to compromise. > Bottom line 2: You need to have a tamper resistant system if you are > faced with an attack from the FBI hacker team. Fortunately, in this > case tamper resistance is pretty easy. Get yourself a webcam. I > don't think many Mafiosos are sophisticated enough for this, or they > probably would have found some other line of work. We've talked a bit about deploying Webcams (with offsite or well-locked storage) for logging entries, etc. A cluster of several of them, some of them monitoring a system, some of them doing conventional burglar work, could be very useful. X10 wireless cams are down to just $50 each. Various strategies are obvious for how to use them: 1. Just leave them on and logging. Very tough for the guys in black to reproduce a plausible sequence which erases themselves from the archive. Just seeing the webcams aimed at the computer, with wires going off into a closet, may be enough to scare them off. (Have a pinhole webcam monitoring the entire room, too.) 2. Send the signals to a computer in a locked room, or just the archived images to a small disk drive inside a vault or safe. (One of my Firewire drives inside my gun vault, for example.) 3. Offsite storage is possible. Or a machine hidden in a closet or crawlspace and communicating via 802.11b. (On a battery backup in case they cut the power first.) (This is a variation on Brin's camcorder and escrow system.) The point is not to get too cute. Start talking about storing the images on an offshore platform and the scheme gets too complicated to use. A simple X10 camera system feeding a bottom-end PC and then 802.11b-broadcasting to another PC seems quite feasible. And if you do it yourself, with no "security consultants" involved, pretty hard for the FBI to bypass. Again, all security is economics. Having an unsecured machine sitting around in an office with PGP installed on it is at one extreme (regardless of the strength of RSA qua RSA), having a machine inside a secured room with webcams aimed at it and with removable disk drives and "mouse entry" methods to obscure keystrokes, all inside a Faraday cage, is nearly at the other extreme. How much one wants to spend depends on what one is protecting. --Tim May "That government is best which governs not at all." --Henry David Thoreau From h21023 at excite.de Mon Jan 7 18:24:45 2002 From: h21023 at excite.de (h21023 at excite.de) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:24:45 -0500 Subject: ALL New Gov Grants Info E-Book!!!!!!!!!! 21557 Message-ID: <000045316a99$00001c74$00005435@inet.com.ua> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1627 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tcmay at got.net Mon Jan 7 21:25:28 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:25:28 -0800 Subject: How to defeat spyware In-Reply-To: <20020107235239.G17761@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <208F1884-03F8-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 08:52 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:46:02PM -0800, Tim May wrote: >> Setting a trap gun to blow away anyone who inserts a floppy (or hooks >> up >> a cable) to a machine he has not been given access to is morally >> permissable. > > Except when the local firefighters show up when your house is on fire, > you're away, and the gun is rigged... > >> As the Mafia case shows, Big Brother and his courts no longer even >> think >> a warrant is needed. > > Actually, the warrant in the Scarfo case was signed by a federal > magistrate judge. That doesn't mean it's constitutional, but the > judge had exactly this in mind. I meant a wiretap warrant, as you talked about in your article. A "search warrant," duly presented to the resident and defining the general scope of the search, is substantially different from a wiretap order or secret search warrant. But such secret or extra-warrant search orders are part of the public lore, hence part of the current law. In "The Sopranos," Tony's entire house is wired for sound. In "Law and Order: Criminal Something or Other," a completely warrantless keystroke logger is inserted in a witnesses computer. I think those who violate the C. should be killed. --Tim May > --Tim May "They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote." --Rep. Ron Paul, TX, on how few Congresscritters saw the USA-PATRIOT Bill before voting overwhelmingly to impose a police state From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Jan 7 12:41:03 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:41:03 +0100 (MET) Subject: Hackers Targeting Home Computers (fwd) Message-ID: -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:15:48 -0800 From: Hack Hawk To: Kent Borg , Eugene Leitl , cryptography at wasabisystems.com Cc: Hadmut Danisch , dcsb at ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: Hackers Targeting Home Computers Although I originally used the word filter to describe a possible ISP action to address certain problems, the following statement from KB was more what I meant to suggest. And also Lynn Wheeler's statement about Dynamic IP addresses not being allowed to host HTTP services because it's not in the consumer/client agreement anyway. At 09:02 AM 1/7/02 -0500, KB wrote: >Once word gets out that letting your computer be breached can get your >internet account suspended, people might start applying patches, Linux >might start making some inroads, and Micro$oft might quit shipping so >many new bugs every week. Now, since the suggestion/idea prompted several responses, I'd like to offer one other opinion to see what some of you think about it. I know that it's possibly been discussed here before, but hopefully I won't get flamed too bad. :) Sorry, I'm kind of new to this particular list. When I performed my experiment a few months back, I had the idea to create a Code Green worm (like somebody actually did) that would go out and forcefully patch those vulnerable systems. I even went as far as developing a small tftp daemon that could serve up the CG virus to other infected systems for a short period of time. In light of all the discussion I've previously read on such matters, I decided against implementing the CG counter Virus. However, I'm starting to think that such counter viruses aren't such a bad idea, and here's the primary reason *why* I believe that. Currently, our government (people like Ashcroft) are slowly taking away our freedoms in an effort to gain control over the problem. Personally, I have a real hard time with this. I don't like Ashcroft and others like him having the ability to come into my home and phone lines and monitor everything I do. If they just happen to label me as a potential terrorist, then I'm basically f*#$ed and loose all my rights. I fully appreciate the dangers of our world, and why somebody like Ashcroft may want to sacrifice our liberties to gain control of worldly problems. However, there is *another* way. We can either sit back, and let people like Ashcroft take control of the cyber situation, or we can step up to the plate, and take control of the problem ourselves. My non-technical mailing list was my first non-intrusive step up to the plate. Perhaps in the future, stepping up should be a little more intrusive. If the freedoms I value so much are at stake, then maybe the rewards outweigh the risk of damaging someone's ego by patching their systems for them. IMHO. - hawk --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From jday442 at excite.com Mon Jan 7 20:46:18 2002 From: jday442 at excite.com (jday442 at excite.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:46:18 -0700 Subject: $2250 Guaranteed Per Fax Blast!! Message-ID: <200201080458.WAA16132@einstein.ssz.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 89 bytes Desc: not available URL: From frissell at panix.com Mon Jan 7 19:02:15 2002 From: frissell at panix.com (Duncan Frissell) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 22:02:15 -0500 Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <384D812E-03CC-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> References: <1C473492-034A-11D6-8AB0-00306577F12E@bounty.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020107213142.02ddf070@frissell@brillig.panix.com> At 04:11 PM 1/7/02 -0800, Tim May wrote: >>On Sunday, January 6, 2002, at 06:37 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: >> >>>Nor do I. If the neighbor's kid wants to steal my >>>overweight television or 233-MHz PC, it's not worth killing him for, > >Bill is of course welcome to invite the neighbor's kids to steal his stuff. > >My mileage varies. > >I think it is a moral necessity to kill anyone trying to steal anything >(beyond the utterly trivial or confusable, e.g., one should not kill >someone picking up a toy left out in the yard...might be a mistake, he >might be trying to return it, etc.). In fact burglary is generally treated as a more serious crime than mere theft (the taking and asportation of the personal property of another) because it involves invasion of the home (at Common Law). Though legislatures have expanded burglary to include businesses and even cars at Common Law it was "the breaking and entering of the dwelling house of another with intent to commit a felony therein." It is serious because one may be vulnerable (asleep) at home and anyone criminal enough to break into your home is probably capable of doing very bad things. It's quite a major breach of the duty of peace that we owe others (who haven't done anything to us). DCF From tcmay at got.net Mon Jan 7 22:49:54 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:49:54 -0800 Subject: How to defeat spyware In-Reply-To: <200201080134.g081YUq69563@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> Message-ID: On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 05:34 PM, keyser-soze at hushmail.com wrote: > At 04:46 PM 1/7/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote: > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 04:11 PM, Steve Schear wrote: > >>> How to defeat spyware >>> There's no way of knowing how many people are using them, but it must >>> be a bunch. Companies use them, the government uses them, and >>> suspicious spouses use them. I'm talking about keystroke >>> loggers--both software and hardware. > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2836055,00.html > >> Setting a trap gun to blow away anyone who inserts a floppy (or hooks >> up a cable) to a machine he has not been given access to is morally >> permissable. > > But legally a no-no. Its an indescriminate weapon. Better to hook up > the arsonal to an biometric authentication system which can be enabled > when you're away. That way if there's a mess to clean up upon arrival > you can tell the judge that the weapon wasn't indescriminate. > Or use the webcams to watch remotely who is trespassing in one's house....then start the gasoline leaking, wait about 20 seconds, then trigger the ignitors. The scene would be delicious...too bad the smell cannot be transmitted. "I love the smell of burning bacon...it smells like...victory." --Tim May, Corralitos, California Quote of the Month: "It is said that there are no atheists in foxholes; perhaps there are no true libertarians in times of terrorist attacks." --Cathy Young, "Reason Magazine," both enemies of liberty. From measl at mfn.org Mon Jan 7 21:03:47 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:03:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: End of the IRS?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107193511.03edbe78@pop3.lvcm.com> Message-ID: > >Department of Justice U.S. Assistant Attorney Dan Bryant and Congressman > >Roscoe Bartlett (MD) signed a written agreement on July 20, 2001, for a > >recorded public hearing at which DOJ representatives will officially > >answer specific legal charges challenging the jurisdiction of the IRS and > >the illegal enforcement of U.S. income tax laws against U.S. citizens. IRS > >Commissioner Charles Rossotti has committed IRS representatives to > >participate. Since they have decided to "officially answer", it is obvious that it doesn't matter. They are either going to maintain that ratification was irrelevent, or that an act once recognized is taken as fact even if false (i.e., Shrubs ascedancy comes to mind). Does anyone really believe they are going to say "Oops! You're right, we aren't constitutional, so we're just going to disband."??? Um, yeah. Right... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From declan at well.com Mon Jan 7 20:36:28 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:36:28 -0500 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd In-Reply-To: <4E213D27-02D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net>; from tcmay@got.net on Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 10:15:03AM -0800 References: <4E213D27-02D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: <20020107233628.D17761@cluebot.com> On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 10:15:03AM -0800, Tim May wrote: > I used to thing folks were trying to emulate Detweiler, then Toto. Now > I'm thinking there's some common miswiring in the brains of these folks. Or there's something about the cypherpunks list that attracts 'em, which I tend to think is the case. I really dislike procmail filters because even wossname and wossname post something reasonable once in a very long while, but I had to resort to it a few weeks ago. Too much crud. -Declan From declan at well.com Mon Jan 7 20:44:13 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:44:13 -0500 Subject: Eudora filters for mattd In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020107040120.00ae10f8@www.pokerspot.com>; from andrew@pokerspot.com on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:04:21AM -0800 References: <8fed0c132d2436b0c4f7b81e429f7ff6@remailer.havenco.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020107040120.00ae10f8@www.pokerspot.com> Message-ID: <20020107234413.E17761@cluebot.com> You may also want to choose "delete from server" as well. Though I use procmail for cypherpunks, not Eudora. Also, some From: lines weren't matching properly so I turned up the wildcards a bit and all was well. -Declan On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:04:21AM -0800, Andrew Woods wrote: > At 02:49 AM Monday 1/7/2002, you wrote: > >If anyone has figured out why Eudora can't filter mattd > >we would *love* to know. > > First, make sure your filter for mattd is listed before your filter for > cypherpunks. Also, because it seemed like mattd's from: header was somewhat > variant, i have it matching just "mattd". Then there's a "make status: > read", a "transfer to: trash", and a "skip rest". Good luck. > > -Andrew From declan at well.com Mon Jan 7 20:48:34 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:48:34 -0500 Subject: How to defeat spyware In-Reply-To: ; from tcmay@got.net on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 05:42:11PM -0800 References: <20020108011003.29368.qmail@sidereal.kz> Message-ID: <20020107234834.F17761@cluebot.com> It seems pretty clear from the court documents that the Scarfo keyboard logger only recorded keystrokes. We don't have details ("classified," "national security," "CIPA") but the exhibit introduced as evidence shows backspaces, up-down arrows, and other functions you'd normally associate with keyboard entry only. -Declan On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 05:42:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > A technical question for anyone: If I store passphrases (and keys, for > extra security) on a flash-based USB drive dongle, and then use > cut-and-paste to access them and paste them into PGP, is it possible for > a keystroke logger to see them? In the Mac at least, pasting from a file > or from the clipboard does not of course go through the keyboard. So a > straightforward intercept of the keyboard driver at the BIOS level > should not see the pasted material. I realize that "keystroke logger" > can mean more than just logging the keyboard, however. From declan at well.com Mon Jan 7 20:52:39 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:52:39 -0500 Subject: How to defeat spyware In-Reply-To: <176FA769-03D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net>; from tcmay@got.net on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:46:02PM -0800 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107161115.03bb81c8@pop3.lvcm.com> <176FA769-03D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: <20020107235239.G17761@cluebot.com> On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:46:02PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > Setting a trap gun to blow away anyone who inserts a floppy (or hooks up > a cable) to a machine he has not been given access to is morally > permissable. Except when the local firefighters show up when your house is on fire, you're away, and the gun is rigged... > As the Mafia case shows, Big Brother and his courts no longer even think > a warrant is needed. Actually, the warrant in the Scarfo case was signed by a federal magistrate judge. That doesn't mean it's constitutional, but the judge had exactly this in mind. See: http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/fed/html/scarfo2.html-1.html > Because the encrypted file could not be accessed via traditional investigative means, Judge Haneke's Order permitted law enforcement officers to "install and leave behind software, firmware, and/or hardware equipment which will monitor the inputted data entered on Nicodemo S. Scarfo's computer in the TARGET LOCATION so that the F.B.I. can capture the password necessary to decrypt computer files by recording the key related information as they are entered." -Declan From declan at well.com Mon Jan 7 21:00:17 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:00:17 -0500 Subject: End of the IRS?? In-Reply-To: <200201080241.g082fOj76178@mailserver2a.hushmail.com>; from mean-green@hushmail.com on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 06:41:24PM -0800 References: <200201080241.g082fOj76178@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <20020108000017.H17761@cluebot.com> I've never quite understood how the amendment-not-ratified-properly-in-1913 argument is supposed to play out. If this were 1915 and we suddenly realized that there was some funny business going on, that would be one thing. But much has changed in the last 90 or so years. Courts have allowed the federal government to seize power not granted by the Constitution (and, in some cases, strictly prohibited by it). Booze prohibition required a constitutional amendment; drug prohibition wouldn't. So even if someone were to prove that the 16th Am. wasn't quite kosher, what would stop the courts from saying -- it wasn't necessary? -Declan On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 06:41:24PM -0800, mean-green at hushmail.com wrote: > What: > Department of Justice U.S. Assistant Attorney Dan Bryant and Congressman Roscoe Bartlett (MD) signed a written agreement on July 20, 2001, for a recorded public hearing at which DOJ representatives will officially answer specific legal charges challenging the jurisdiction of the IRS and the illegal enforcement of U.S. income tax laws against U.S. citizens. IRS Commissioner Charles Rossotti has committed IRS representatives to participate. > > When: > 2 full days, February 27th and 28th, 2002. Your early donation is greatly appreciated. > > Where: > >From Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C., WebCast to any computer with Internet access, at any connection speed, on PC or Mac computer. > > Participants: > We The People Delegates, Tax Researchers and Attorneys will interrogate legal and tax experts from the DOJ and IRS. > > ---------------------------------- > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > July 20, 2001 > > CONTACT: Mike Bodine (518) 656-3578 > > DOJ and the U.S. Congress Officially Commit to Send IRS Tax and Legal > > Experts to Appear on Capitol Hill. Public Hearing to be Conducted > > by Rep. Roscoe Bartlett and Rep. Henry Hyde to Answer Citizens' Challenges > > of IRS Jurisdiction and Illegal Enforcement of U.S. Tax Law. > > < Washington D.C. -- We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education, > > Inc. announce that the Department of Justice and the U.S. Congress > > have committed, in writing, to appear with IRS representatives in a > > recorded, public meeting to officially answer to charges challenging the > > legal jurisdiction of the IRS and the enforcement of U.S. income tax > > laws against U.S. citizens. > > Department of Justice U.S. Assistant Attorney General Dan Bryant > > and Congressmen Roscoe Bartlett (MD) signed the written agreement > > Friday that commits the government to send their top tax and legal experts to > > a two-day September hearing to be conducted on Capitol Hill. These actions > > are in response to a proper petition for redress of grievances brought by > > Robert Schulz, Chairman of the Foundation. Schulz ended his 3-week hunger > > fast mid-afternoon today after having secured official commitment from > > representatives of the U.S. Government that his formal petition > > will be answered. > > Schulz has been in Washington since July 4th on a hunger fast > > until death, if needed, to force the government to respond to his legal > > Remonstrance, a petition for redress of grievances. These grievances include > > challenges of IRS jurisdiction, routine and gross violations of due process by > > the IRS, the refusal of the IRS to cite the specific law that requires > > employers or employees to withhold taxes and the fraudulent ratification of the > > 16th (Income Tax) Amendment. > > DOJ's Bryant is quoted, "The American people are entitled to > > answers. It is in our nation's interest that we participate and answer these > > questions." > > While largely ignored by the media and other government > > officials, Rep. > > Bartlett has stood alone on the Hill (until recently) in public > > defense of Schulz's absolute Constitutional Right to petition for redress and > > be answered by the government. On Tuesday, Bartlett initiated a > > formal Congressional Inquiry to the IRS demanding official government > > responses for Schulz. > > Today, DOJ's Dan Bryant agreed to Rep. Bartlett's requirements > > that the "congressional briefing-like hearings" be conducted in public and > > be recorded and broadcast live. The meetings will have appropriate > > procedural controls and security. It is expected Rep. Henry Hyde (IL), former > > Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee will gavel the sessions. > > Schulz was "elated that government officials have finally > > responded as they are required by both the 1st Amendment to the Constitution > > and their oaths of office." > > The agreement, penned on Congressional letterhead, was signed at > > the Department of Justice headquarters. Bryant assured both Rep. > > Bartlett and Schulz there is "virtually no chance of being overridden on this > > matter." Bartlett promised Schulz, "I assure you. The IRS will be there at > > those meetings." > > Schulz continued, "I have met with these gentlemen face-to-face > > and have looked in their eyes. I am satisfied they are men of honor. We > > have cemented our agreement with a handshake. The fast ends today. > > After decades of obfuscation, avoidance, creative restructuring > > and 'simplification' of the 9,500-page tax code, the truth is about to > > be revealed. The Sovereign Citizens have exercised their Right to > > petition. It is no coincidence that President Bush revealed in this week's > > New York Times that the government has begun to publicly discuss > > alternative tax systems, including disposal of the entire tax code. The internet > > and talk radio have facilitated detailed research, documentation and > > discussion of these charges across the nation. > > If our income tax system is publicly confirmed to be without > > force of law upon the People, and is truly as 'voluntary' as the IRS so often > > advertises, it is highly likely that the government may move quickly to > > implement a replacement tax such as a national sales tax. The People must > > remain vigilant that one illegal tax is not replaced by another. > > The taxing powers granted to the federal government by our > > Constitution are explicit, limited and must be complied with. Since 1787, the > > mechanism for an orderly and peaceful transition to a legal tax system has > > resided in Article 1 Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution. This is a states' > > Rights issue. The day that our government has shunned has arrived. The > > Sovereign Citizens have formally demanded and exercised their Rights. We The People > > have been heard." From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 7 05:03:53 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 00:03:53 +1100 Subject: Hoodoo Guru at large and armed.Gypsys,tramps and tea leaves.Hidden united snakes hirstory. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020107235947.00a35540@pop.useoz.com> A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E (longish post) http://www.ainfos.ca/ ________________________________________________ We are a nation founded by fugitives. The secret history of America is one of wild flight in search of sanctuary. Our ancestors were running away. The real explorers of the Great Frontier didn't march west, they slipped away into the forests and swamps, leaving behind the King's Law and busted chains. Runaway slaves, fugitive indentured servants, retreating natives, they disappeared into the mists beyond the edge of "civilized" culture to make their own way and avoid the whip. These fugitive colonies existed from the beginning of European settlement. In the 17th century, the first settlers described the "tawny halfbreeds" they encountered, who strangely preferred the freedom of the wilderness to the safety and comfort of Jamestown. Over 200 tri-racial isolate communities exist, or have existed, in the USA. These communities are not recent manifestations. They were here from the start. The people called Melungeons, (of eastern Tennessee, North Carolina, West Virginia and Kentucky,) were encountered by European explorers of the Appalachians in 1654. They were described as dark-skinned, but with European features. They lived in log cabins and practiced Christianity and even spoke English, being able to communicate to the explorers that they were "Portyghee". The origins of the Melungeon people has become controversial, at least among Melungeons. The anthropologically accepted theory is that early Spanish settlers, explorers or castaways inter-married with Native Americans. Yet the French explorers mentioned above noted that the Melungeons they encountered spoke English (but called themselves Portuguese). This could indicate the amazing diversity of the fugitive communities, or maybe the necessity of trading with the English settlements on the coast. In the post-civil war period anybody in the Melungeon area who was dark-skinned yet not obviously African American was called a Melungeon, including dark-skinned Mediterranean people and south Asians. Genetic researchers using the Mean Measure of Divergence (MMD) have concluded that Melungeons are most closely related to Libyans (0.017) and most distantly related to the Seminoles of Florida (0.308).1 The closest match with a European people (0.022) is Italian, followed by Portuguese (0.024). It's known that Francis Drake stopped at Roanoke for some months on his way back from raiding Spanish colonies in the Caribbean. He had several hundred Muslim seamen with him who had been freed from the Spanish and were being returned to Morocco and the Ottoman Empire. These would include Berbers and Arabs from Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, as well as Greeks, Armenians, Albanians, Bosnians and Turks from Anatolia and the Balkans. They stayed several months in Virginia, and it's more than possible that they would have left progeny among the local Native American population. Some of them may have stayed and actually joined the Indians. The Delaware Moors are a mixed race people living in Kent and Sussex Counties, Delaware and southern New Jersey. How they came to be there is open to conjecture. Community legend tends toward three possibilities. In the first, an 18th century Spanish pirate ship with a Moorish crew is wrecked on the Delaware coast. The survivors are taken in by the local Nanticoke Indians and eventually marry Indian women. In the second, when the English abandon Tangier in the late 17th century, the English garrison is given land in the Americas (Delaware). When they come they bring their Moorish wives with them. (There is an island in Chesapeake Bay called Tangier Island, and no one seems to know how it was named.) The third legend is of the truly romantic variety. This involves a beautiful woman and a dark-skinned slave. The woman was wealthy and either Spanish or Irish. She purchased a male slave who turned out to be a Moorish prince. They fell in love and had mixed-race children. Being ostracized by the white community, they moved inland and joined the Indians. Another version of this has the wealthy woman purchasing a number of Moorish slaves who ran away and joined the Indians. Piracy was well-known along the Delaware coast from the 17th to mid-18th century, with several recorded instances of Spanish and French pirates way-laying ships in Delaware Bay. The English did occupy Tangier briefly, and then abandoned the city in 1684. The early colonial period had many instances where women and men of mixed race were forced to make their own way in the wild, and the fact of slaves running away and joining the Indians is also well recorded. Whichever, if any, of the legends is true, the fact remains that the Delaware Moors are most likely a mixture of the Native American tribes that occupied the Delmarva region (Nanticokes and Lenni Lenape), European whites and Africans. The Moors perhaps best illustrate the singular status that tri-racial groups occupy in America. Being barred from attending the white schools of Kent and Sussex counties, and refusing to attend the African American schools of the area, the Moors created their own schools. The Moors, like most other tri-racial groups, did not consider themselves part of either the white or African American communities. Although Indians, whites and blacks could marry into the group, once they did so they became part of the tri-racial community. The Red Bones, Brass Ankles, Turks and Lumbees of South Carolina combine the mixture of Native American, African American and European (or Asian) peoples. Fugitive slaves and runaway indentured servants joined with the remnants of Native American tribes ravaged by alien diseases. The death rate for some Native communities was 100%. It soon became clear that children of mixed parents (white/native, black/native) had a much better chance of surviving European and African diseases. In this way, Native Americans of the east were genetically absorbed into the emerging tri-racial groups, as their own distinct tribes were destroyed. That fugitives would band together for survival isn't unusual. The runaways and refugees would have a common enemy, the colonial governments of the coast and the slave masters of the plantations. The plantation fields of the early colonial period also incorporated a wide diversity of forced labor. There would have been Native Americans of the coastal tribes, kidnapped Africans, Gypsies (who were transported to the new world by all the colonial powers), and British and Irish prisoners working out their sentences.2 It's not hard to imagine that all the individuals interested in escaping would have been drawn to the Native Americans, who knew the land and had contacts in the wild. Getting beyond the reach of dominant social authority was of great importance, since that authority prescribed extinction for racially mixed people. The "Free Land" of the Melungeons was a strip of disputed territory between the colonies of North Carolina and Virginia. Being a "neutral zone", claimed by both colonies but administered by neither, it naturally attracted people who were less than fond of government supervision, including mixed race peoples and the many fugitives that would add to that mixture. The cedar swamps and pine barrens of Delaware and New Jersey were also noted refuges for runaways. Pennsylvania ads for runaway slaves in the 18th century specifically mention the cedar swamps of Delaware as a runaway destination. It's in these very areas that current mixed race communities now exist. The Redbones of Louisiana originated from the mixed-race Red Bone people of South Carolina, arriving in Louisiana in the late 18th century. They gravitated to the area of Louisiana called the "Neutral Strip", a 5000 square mile expanse of land between the Calcasieau and Sabine rivers claimed by both Spain and the United States, but administered by neither. The United States sent troops into the Neutral Strip on several occasions, as pirates made their bases there (including John Murel and Jean Lafitte), but the Neutral Strip was a wilderness of swamps and canebrakes, and many who went in uninvited never came out again. The flight of runaway slaves to the safety of the Neutral Strip was such that John Murel, a "land pirate" (marauder) planned to organize a slave revolt, based on a fugitive army, that would have placed him at the head of an autonomous fugitive republic. Even after the border dispute was settled in 1819, the now former Neutral Strip remained a place that the authority of the state was reluctant to invade. Lucy Parsons was (probably) born in Waco, Texas in 1853. Very little of her early history is known. Physically she resembled many of the Redbone people that inhabited southern Louisiana and eastern Texas. Like many Redbone people she vigorously denied being an African American, claiming instead to be of mixed Native American and Mexican ancestry. Scholars have just as vigorously given her an African American background ("It's possible she was a slave" says Carolyn Ashbaugh), even though there is no documented reason to believe this. It's possible that her Mexican ancestry could have been of the Yanga people, the "black Mexicans". These people were descendants of rebel slaves that established a community in Veracruz on the Gulf Coast in 1609. The African element of Mexican society has long been ignored in favor of indigenous and European cultural contributions. In 1609 the ratio of Africans to Europeans in Mexico City was over 10 to 1. The only obvious fact is that Lucy Parsons was of mixed race. Given the time period and her geographic location, it's as likely that she was of Redbone origin as anything else, which would have given her Native American, African and probably Mexican and European ancestry as well. The Great Dismal Swamp of Virginia and North Carolina was the site of an extensive fugitive community from at least the early 18th century. It functioned as an autonomous region, immune to outside interference because of the twisting trails and waterways of the swamp. Trade, in the form of shingles cut from swamp Cyprus, was even conducted with outside communities. Its status as a refuge for fugitives led such a prominent figure as George Washington to recommend its draining and conversion to farmland. Washington and a number of other Virginia planters paid $20,000 for 40,000 acres of the Great Dismal. This happened in 1763, the same year as the Slave Revolt in the South American Dutch colony of Berbice (Guyana). I think its more than a coincidence that Washington and other slave owners should decide to eliminate the Great Dismal Swamp, a noted haven for runaway slaves, in the same year as the largest slave revolt in the Americas to that date. This was also the year after the suppression of a slave revolt in the Crown Colony of Bermuda. Being at the time in excess of 2000 square miles, draining the swamp was beyond their 18th century capabilities, though they did succeed in cutting down a lot of trees, and did oversee a number of "wild fires" that burned big sections of swamp. Washington eventually turned over his share in the "Adventurers for Draining the Dismal Swamp" to Harry Lee, Robert E. Lee' s father. In the years prior to the Civil War the fugitive community of the Great Dismal Swamp became a major stop on the underground railway. Harriet Beecher Stowe's novel Dred: A Story of the Great Dismal Swamp, told of runaway slaves hiding in the depths of the swamp, yet never mentions the permanent fugitive community that existed there, perhaps because she was unaware of it, or perhaps because she didn't want to tip their hand. No doubt many of the runaway slaves decided to remain in the swamp. During the war, the Great Dismal Swamp was an area which confederate forces stayed clear of. The swamps of Florida gave refuge to thousands of runaways in the years of Spanish rule. In 1738 the Spanish offered freedom to any slave who fled the English colonies and came to St. Augustine. This wasn't out of any anti-slavery sentiment on the part of Spain. They disputed English ownership of Georgia and South Carolina. Inciting slaves to run away was an effective way of disrupting those colonies. The British copied this tactic during the War of Independence (Dunmore's Proclamation), with the same success. Once in Florida the fugitives encountered the refugee remnants of the southeastern Indian tribes who had also fled to the Florida swamps. They also found fugitive communities that had been there since the 17th century. The fugitive communities they established in the Florida swamps became the strongest in the country. Runaway slaves fled to these strongholds throughout the colonial period up to 1819, when the United States took Florida from Spain. By the late 19th and early 20th centuries the isolated fugitive communities, those that survived the Civil War and Reconstruction, had leaked their cultural milange into the society of the south. Hoodoo, the American folk magic tradition, is an amalgam of Native American, African American and European American folk remedies and magic. For much of the 19th and the first decades of the 20th centuries it was the primary folk tradition of both southern African Americans and poor whites. The ubiquitous swamp witch, root doctor and hoodoo man, doling out love potions, mojo bags and lucky money incense was a product of the secret, fugitive America. A regular icon in Hoodoo (and later in the Spiritualist Movement) was the trusted "Indian Spirit Guide" who led the initiate through the perils of the spirit world. Is it too much of a stretch to see this as a legacy of the early escapes from the first plantations, where trusted Native American fellow fugitives led the way through the perils of the wilderness? The existence of an influential mixed-race culture was more than worrisome to the racial purists of the early 20th century. The development of "scientific racism", eugenics, gave racists a tool to strike at the fugitive communities. A by-product of the American Breeders Association, and largely shunned by geneticists as "vulgar", the Eugenics movement sought to "improve the herd" of humanity by encouraging the most fit to reproduce in abundance, and by eliminating the least fit from the national gene pool. "Defectives" were to be kept from breeding either by forced institutionalization or sterilization. The main targets of the Eugenics movement were immigrants, minorities and people of mixed race. The term "tri-racial isolate" was first used by eugenicists to label the various pockets of mixed-race peoples. Viewed as genetically flawed and unfit because of miscegenation, the isolated fugitive communities became a special concern of eugenicists. Their poverty and lack of formal education was viewed as a result of "mis-breeding" rather than the social antagonism of racial purists, which had caused their isolation. Their defective germ plasm would be cured by sterilization and forced assimilation into the African American communities. The Ben Ishmael Tribe (a mixed-race Islamic community in the lower Midwest), the Melungeons, Redbones, Delaware Moors, Lumbees, Brass Ankles, all were faced with the choice of melting into the African American or European American communities. Not surprisingly those that could "pass" for white did so. Those that could not became "mulattos". In various locations across the south and east entire communities were given this choice. Names were changed, history was suppressed, culture was subdued. Those that could not bear this atrocity sought even further isolation. Losing their communities they became hermit families of the back country and swamps. In any case, they were cleansed from the popular reality. The Eugenics movement peaked in the mid-1920s, a period that also saw Ku Klux Klan politicians win control of state governments in Oregon, Texas and Indiana. Virginia created its Racial Integrity Law (1924), which defined racial categories and was based primarily on Eugenics. Alabama and Georgia eventually copied the Virginia law. Twenty-eight States already had laws against whites and Negroes marrying. Six included this prohibition in their constitutions. Hoodoo became an almost entirely African American folk system by World War Two. Only in the most rural and remote areas of the south was it still practiced as a mixed-race folk tradition. Current African American racial purists claim Hoodoo as a purely African American construct, despite all evidence to the contrary. As the white racial purists were determined to classify all mixed-race peoples as Negro based on the "one drop" rule, African American racial purists seem determined to deny the evidence of cultural exchange and amalgamation that was a feature of our secret history from day one, when the first European ship wrecked against these shores. The importance of group identification became critical with the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934. Part of the New Deal program, it restored large tracts of land to various tribes and began the process of making good on unpaid monetary claims. Ironically, it suddenly became financially lucrative to be a Native American. The fact that these allotments were based on tribal affiliation was not lost on Indian activists of the time. The first decades of the 20th century had seen the rise of a powerful pan-Indian movement centered around the Native American Church and the "peyote cult". Already declining in the wake of internal disputes, the focus on tribalism of the Indian Reorganization Act dealt it a deadly blow. It would not resurface again until the rise of the American Indian Movement in the 1960s. The scramble for identity among the surviving mixed-race descendants, as well as the hunger for government payments, has caused many groups to deny (or minimize) their African American ancestry, while overstating that of their Native American, especially in seeking tribal status and allotments. Among the Melungeons a trend to focus on the possible Mediterranean origins of their people, and a minimization of their mixed-race origins and status, has led to an all but complete denial of African American roots. How does it help us to know that before the French and Indian War people of different races were banding together in the face of repression? For one thing it gives us a different perspective on American history, which never hurts. It would be incredible if we could use their brave example as a guide to future action. That's the true positive result from looking at this secret history: the example set by the fugitives in surviving the demand to assimilate. They made a life for themselves outside the reach of Power. They created an inclusive culture which survives at least somewhat in American popular music, and which bubbles eternally in our dreams, just beyond the frontier in the wilderness of our imaginations. Notes: 1. MMD system: 0.000 would identical, 9.999 would be furthest possible difference. 2. "You can't discount the notion that black and white servants and slaves were going to unite over their common oppression. We have evidence of them running away together. We have evidence of them rising against their masters together. They lived together. They slept together. So yes, there was a possibility of a lower class surge against the elites. So that's a very important consideration for the Virginians, in terms of wanting to create one kind of labor force." -Margaret Washington, Associate Professor of History, Cornell University "There are many ways that human beings divide themselves up. Class is one, [and] gender, race, ethnicity. There's a number of ways that people divide themselves up. And in early Virginia, race was a category that people recognized. Black people recognized difference, and sometimes, I would even argue, celebrated difference. But in this highly competitive, depressingly abusive world, poorer whites and poorer blacks-people who were marginalized in this system of dependent labor-oftentimes reached out to each other in ways that suggest that, at least in the first 50 or 60 years of Virginia...people of African background and English background were able to work together in ways that, again, in later periods of American history, were impossible." -Timothy H. Breen, William Smith Mason Professor of American History, Northwestern University Further Reading: Gone to Croatan Edited by Ron Sakolsky and James Koehnline Autonomedia, 1993. Maroon Societies: Rebel Slave Communities in the Americas Edited by Richard Price Johns Hopkins University Press, 1996 (3rd edition). Anarchy: A Journal of Desire Armed C.A.L. Press POB 1446 Columbia, MO 65205-1446 USA Anarchy magazine web site: http://www.anarchymag.org From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 7 05:12:55 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 00:12:55 +1100 Subject: First we take Manhatten. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020108000958.00abb4e0@pop.useoz.com> The protests against the World Economic Forum will occur from January 30th through February 5th, 2002 in New York City. Also, join others in resisting the winter Olympics in Utah February 8th-24th (http://www.burntheolympics.org/). Picking Up Where We Left Off The North American Anti-Capitalist Struggle Must Advance It is now 2002 and it has been many months since the last large anti-capitalist protest in North America. Our situation was looking incredible for the late September protests against the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. We had the many televised press conferences on C-SPAN, and we were coming back to D.C. learning from our past mistakes and successes. The mainstream media was already beginning to pre-hype the protests (or the potential for "violence" more specifically). As it got closer they had already decided to shorten the meeting time. I was helping organize people in the area interested in going (as were others all across the United States), and it looked like we were going to have the greatest number of people from this area to attend a major protest yet. I was gathering my gear, marking my maps, making my phonecalls and sending emails. It was going to be unbelievable. (It was in au as well,pre chogm,pr) Then one day we woke up or were at work or whatever, and our TV screens were filled with images of collapsing buildings, thousands died, thousands of others were running in terror, no one had a clue as to what the hell just happened. For the time it changed everything. As much as we wanted it not to, it severely affected the protests. It changed the focus of the protest (anti-war, anti-racist), the turnout, the tactical choices, the energy, and the attention we received. On the upside (or not), it also caused the IMF and World Bank to cancel that meeting. It has been nearly 4 months now since that day and the "war" has become increasingly futile. That "war," of course, is what has almost killed (no pun intended) the momentum of the anti-capitalist protests and overall resistance in the United States, not to mention thousands of innocent people. That movement or collection of movements has almost been hijacked by the liberal and (state) socialist left due to their stronghold over the anti-war movements. Anti-war protesters are more likely following the calls to action made by socialist parties or affiliated groups, or liberal groups, than calls (or lack thereof) made by anti-authoritarian collectives/groups. The authoritarian left has long sought to gain control over the anti-(corporate)-globalization movement and are in a position of greater power to do so when they use their power from the anti-war movement. This is why it is crucial that we make a presence in New York City (and subsequent gatherings) and show the so-called leaders (politicians and activists) that we have not been swept under the rug or converted to single-issue reformist struggles. We must show the state that we are not going to run and hide when it starts to hint at openly engaging in "war" against us. We must not forget why we are fighting. We must not forget the death of Carlo Guiliano (remember him? Genoa?) or hundreds and thousands of others who have needlessly lost their lives resisting conditions decided upon by the IMF, World Bank, WTO, NAFTA, and the leaders of the Northern industrial nations. We cannot let the state nor the authoritarian left (liberal and socialist) decide the fate of our struggle or how we choose to resist. And do not mistake this as another call for a "black bloc," but rather it is a call for anti-authoritarian resistance in all possible manifestations. _______________________________________________ infoshop-news mailing list infoshop-news at infoshop.org http://www.infoshop.org/mailman/listinfo/infosho From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 7 05:22:13 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 00:22:13 +1100 Subject: CP Movies,"Behold the pale horse." Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020108002010.037bc5c0@pop.useoz.com> Francisco Sabate Llopart (known as El Quico) -- Guerilla Extraordinaire -- (1915-1960). Born 30 March 1915 in Barcelona; died 5 January 1960. Francisco Sabate joined the CNT in 1931. In 1932, following the events of Fijols, he started the action group "Los Novatos" which aligned with the FAI. In 1935, they carried out their first expropriation to provide funds for a prison relief group. On July 18 & 19, 1936, the fascist uprising in Barcelona was defeated, signalling the beginning of a libertarian revolution. On August 27, 1936, Sabati & his brother Josi joined a CNT-FAI column which fought on the Aragon front. With the defeat of the Republican forces, Sabate was interned in France at the camps in Vernet. Once free, Sabate continued fighting in Spain clandestinely, & on August 20, 1945, succeeded in freeing two comrades. His group then began striking against the Franco regime & its supporters, as well as robbing companies & banks to finance the underground movement. On March 2, 1949, they killed two heads of the phalange. While many of his comrades were arrested or killed over the years Sabati succeeded in slipping through the various police dragnets. But on January 5, 1960, after having slipped across the border with four companions, they were encircled by army & the civil garde, & were shot down. Still, Sabati managed to escape, before succumbing a few hours later to bullet wounds. Sabate figures in at least two movies: Behold The Pale Horse, with Gregory Peck as a character very closely based on Sabate, the Spanish anarchist guerilla. More on the guerilla's guerilla at http://www.eskimo.com/~recall/bleed/sinners/FranciscoSabate.htm From drevil at sidereal.kz Mon Jan 7 17:10:03 2002 From: drevil at sidereal.kz (Dr. Evil) Date: 8 Jan 2002 01:10:03 -0000 Subject: How to defeat spyware In-Reply-To: <176FA769-03D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> (message from Tim May on Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:46:02 -0800) References: <176FA769-03D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: <20020108011003.29368.qmail@sidereal.kz> > Setting a trap gun to blow away anyone who inserts a floppy (or > hooks up a cable) to a machine he has not been given access to is > morally permissable. Morally permissable or not, a shotgun and a string are unlikely to be effective. The FBI went so far as to get a law passed that says that they can use classified technical techniques to execute the warrant so that they don't have to reveal their methods in court. Could those methods include something as simple as a backdoor in Windows, or some kind of hack into Windows? I don't have any evidence one way or the other, but it's a reasonable possibility. These guys are risk averse and they are on a budget, and sending in a team of armed hackers is both risky and expensive. Before you get the shotgun and some string and risk blowing your own head off, install a real OS. Do you think the FBI break-in team has an OpenBSD rootkit? Not likely! Then take some simple, non-violent measures to make your computer a little bit tamper resistant. It could be as trivial as a webcam pointing to your computer, storing its images off-site. Take a look at http://linux.davecentral.com/articles/view/1053/ for a neat program called motion which runs under Linux and works with plain old cheap webcams to do exactly this. My attitude is to think about simple things and think about ways to de-escalate a conflict as much as possible, so I'm not so enthusiastic about a shotgun on a string. From redherring97 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 13:11:19 2002 From: redherring97 at yahoo.com (redherring97 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:11:19 -2000 Subject: Collect Your Free Cell Phone Here 20346 Message-ID: <000065ea2620$00005ca0$00000ad5@mx1.mail.yahoo.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 3247 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Jan 7 16:27:52 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:27:52 +0100 (MET) Subject: Shoe bomb (fwd) Message-ID: -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:32:31 -0500 From: shivers at cc.gatech.edu To: silent-tristero at world.std.com Subject: Shoe bomb At 1:02 am -0800 12/26/01, Talley, Brooks wrote: >This guy, for example, tried to light plastic explosives with a fuse >(10% success rate at most), using a smelly match rather than a lighter, >and did so while sitting in his seat rather than in a lavatory. Was he >asking to be caught, or just incredibly stupid? He was seated close to the fuel tank. The explosive is essentially just a primer for the fuel. The following article is pretty unsettling, in that it makes the case that - the technique is carefully thought out, and - there will be more of these attacks, and - there aren't good ways to stop them. -Olin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/01/06/MN222117.DTL Shoe-bomb flight -- a trial run? U.S., British officials fear similar attacks in the works Simon Reeve, Special to The Chronicle Sunday, January 6, 2002 London -- As investigators gather evidence about possible links between alleged airline shoe-bomber Richard Reid and the al Qaeda terrorist organization, intelligence officials on both sides of the Atlantic are floating a disturbing theory: that Reid's bombing attempt may have been a "trial run" for future, simultaneous attacks against passenger jets to be carried out by supporters of Osama bin Laden. U.S. and British intelligence officials believe that the British citizen on American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami on Dec. 22 was a "foot soldier" sent to check the destructive power of shoe bombs against civilian targets. One senior British intelligence official said there are indications that "more than a few, but less than a dozen" individuals may be preparing similar attacks in the near future. These officials cite similarities with a weapon developed by Ramzi Yousef, mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, who plotted a series of simultaneous attacks on U.S. airliners in the mid-1990s. "There is a definite pattern here with Yousef's past attacks that we would be foolish to ignore," said one highly placed intelligence official. "They have tried this before, and they are trying it again." During the flight, Reid allegedly tried to detonate explosives hidden in his shoes with a lighted match. Crew and passengers averted a disaster by jumping on the 28-year-old London-born suspect. "MOTHER OF SATAN" BOMBS Preliminary studies by the FBI indicate Reid's black suede basketball shoes contained between 8 and 10 ounces of the explosive triacetone triperoxide, or TATP -- called "The Mother of Satan" by Palestinian militants, because its inherent instability makes it dangerous to both the victims and bomb maker. The TATP in Reid's shoes was "blended" with an explosive called PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, which can be ignited with a normal cigarette lighter. PETN is a key ingredient of Semtex, the Czech-made military explosive used to down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988. "These bombs are sophisticated devices," said the British intelligence official. "They would have been difficult and dangerous to produce. Reid could not have done this himself -- he would have trouble tying his own shoelaces. It seems we may have an expert bomb maker on the loose in Europe." LINKS TO 20TH HIJACKER Among the links being pursued by investigators are telephone conversations, known to British intelligence, between Reid and Zacarias Moussaoui, the so- called "20th hijacker" who was indicted on conspiracy charges in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks, and reports that the two worshiped at the same mosque in London. Moussaoui's attorney entered a plea of not guilty for his client in Virginia last week. Investigators are also probing the origins of the money used by Reid, who has no visible means of support, as he traveled to seven different countries last year. Among the cities Reid visited was Amsterdam. The Binnenlandse Veiligheids Dienst (BVD), the Dutch security service, is trying to reconstruct Reid's movements and to establish whether an al Qaeda cell there may be plotting attacks on passenger jets. Reid has told FBI agents that he contacted Dutch arms dealers via the Internet and paid $1,800 for the explosives. But intelligence sources speculate that Reid obtained them from an al Qaeda explosives expert in Amsterdam, who adapted the shoes in preparation for Reid's attack. FBI agents and British anti-terrorist officials, meanwhile, have concluded that the shoe-bomb plot originated with the ideas of Yousef, an early al Qaeda operative who suggested flying passenger jets into buildings. 'PROJECT BOJINKA' SIMILARITIES After instigating the 1993 WTC bombing, which killed six people and injured more than 1,000, the British-educated extremist was on the run from the FBI for nearly two years before being captured. He is currently serving a life sentence plus 240 years. While on the lam in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Far East, Yousef trained other bin Laden terrorists in the use of explosives and told them of a plan he code-named "Project Bojinka" -- "bojinka" means "explosion" in Serbo-Croat -- which used a form of shoe bomb. Designed as a terrorist "spectacular" that would instantly kill thousands of people and eclipse every other terrorist atrocity in history, Yousef planned to blow up 11 U.S. passenger jets scheduled to fly simultaneously over the Far East in January 1995 by using tiny, undetectable bombs. Yousef produced a stable, liquid form of nitroglycerine from an array of chemicals, including sulfuric acid and nitrobenzene, and fashioned them into devices undetectable by airport security devices, including X-ray machines. He converted a Casio digital watch into a timing switch, hid the liquid nitroglycerine in a contact lens case, with cotton wool as a stabilizer, and then used two 9-volt batteries to power light-bulb filaments to spark an explosion. Yousef hid the bomb components in the heels of his shoes, knowing most airport security systems do not scan the soles of feet. "The parallels are really chilling," said a senior FBI official, referring to the Reid case. The official added that security devices to detect explosives on passengers are still in the development stage. Another similarity noted by investigators was the placement of the shoe bomb components. Having obtained Boeing blueprints, Yousef calculated the most devastating place to detonate his bombs was in a seat above the center fuel tank, adjacent to the wing. The bomb alone would not destroy the plane, but it would detonate the fuel, ripping the jet apart. Reid, perhaps following Yousef's example, chose a window seat close to the Boeing 767-300's fuel tank. PHILIPPINES AIRLINE EXPLOSION The "Bojinka" plot was aborted after chemicals Yousef was mixing in a Manila kitchen caught fire and he had to flee to Pakistan, leaving behind details of the plan for police to discover. But Yousef did stage his own trial run. In December 1994, he assembled a bomb on a Philippines Airline flight, then left it under a seat before deplaning the Boeing 747. The resulting explosion on the next leg of the flight killed a Japanese passenger, injured five others and forced the pilot to make an emergency landing in Okinawa. Yousef would have needed only to increase slightly the size of the bomb to ensure the plane's destruction. Some investigators are so concerned about how far the parallels between Reid and Yousef go that they have suggested "a more rigorous" interrogation of Reid, designed to elicit any information he has about a possible second "Bojinka" plot. "There is significant concern about this guy," said the FBI official. "Does the failure of his mission mean his cell will now go on the run? Possibly. But in the past these groups have been very focused and do not easily turn from their target." Simon Reeve, a London-based investigative journalist and contributor to The Chronicle, is the author of "The New Jackals: Ramzi Yousef, Osama bin Laden and the Future of Terrorism." From peteloofer23 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 10:52:08 2002 From: peteloofer23 at yahoo.com (peteloofer23 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:52:08 -1700 Subject: Isn't this what you we're looking for? 3574 Message-ID: <00006a3c5414$00002b84$0000209c@mx1.mail.yahoo.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They tried using asenic as an insecticide early on, but gave up on it rather quickly. At any rate, there were certainly no herbicides before WWII. Sounds like the chem lab experiments you did in high school did a number on your forebrain. Or maybe you can give us a cite? From philbates331 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 12:05:22 2002 From: philbates331 at yahoo.com (philbates331 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 03:05:22 -1700 Subject: Take A Look At This 10995 Message-ID: <000008693421$00001b98$000058e1@mx1.mail.yahoo.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 3241 bytes Desc: not available URL: From campos292000 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 12:05:31 2002 From: campos292000 at yahoo.com (campos292000 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 03:05:31 -1700 Subject: Isn't this what you we're looking for? 27247 Message-ID: <00003c6556d2$00001783$000058f4@mx1.mail.yahoo.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1211 bytes Desc: not available URL: From drevil at sidereal.kz Mon Jan 7 19:31:28 2002 From: drevil at sidereal.kz (Dr. Evil) Date: 8 Jan 2002 03:31:28 -0000 Subject: How to defeat spyware In-Reply-To: (message from Tim May on Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:42:11 -0800) References: Message-ID: <20020108033128.31385.qmail@sidereal.kz> > Look into what's inside OS X, which is what I run. A lot of FreeBSD, > some Mach, etc. However, I don't kid myself that keystroke loggers > for Macs, which I have bought myself for my own use (some years ago) > won't be carried by spooks doing sneak and peak entries. Windows *, Mac * and Linux probably together have 99.9% (guessing) of the desktop market, so if I were packing a kit, I would carry disks for each of those. It's technically not difficult with any of these OSes, because none of them have any kind of MAC system. > Some of you might have already looked into this and may have some data > points. > > It seems to me that the older type of keystroke logger (history file in > Unix, Ghostwriter, etc.) can be defeated thusly. Yeah, that proposal (snipped above) would definitely defeat the plain old BIOS keyloggers. How sophisticated is the FBI stuff? Let's make some reasoned speculation. Most of their targets aren't going to be super-sophisticated hackers who will do those kind of things. The FBI has a whole bunch of tools which they use to achieve their goal (get the conviction, etc). Generally, they don't need any one of those tools to be perfect. The plain old keystroke logger would work in most cases, probably. However, that is not the end of the story... > Selecting letters with a mouse on the screen also bypasses the > keyboard. Ouch! That might work for occasional short messages, but for daily use? > The question is, are "keystroke loggers" actually doing more than > keystroke logging. Are they, for example, monitoring all screen I/O > (seems unlikely, for bandwidth reasons). Obviously, the earlier ones worked at the BIOS level and could only catch key activity. I have definitely seen some products (plural) available now which monitor GUI events, so it can show all the activity of the snooped machine in a window. This is OS specific, but there are only about five OSes out there, and this technique definitely works, and it WILL easily defeat all your tricks of using the clipboard, mouse, etc. Note that this is not the same as dumping full-res video at 30 fps, which would be impossible, as you point out. Catching gui events is compact enough to be practical. Bottom line: I don't have any knowledge of what the FBI actually does, but there are off-the-shelf commercial things out there which defeat what you described, so it's safe to assume that the FBI has something like that if they feel they need it. Bottom line 2: You need to have a tamper resistant system if you are faced with an attack from the FBI hacker team. Fortunately, in this case tamper resistance is pretty easy. Get yourself a webcam. I don't think many Mafiosos are sophisticated enough for this, or they probably would have found some other line of work. > > My attitude is to think about simple things and think about ways to > > de-escalate a conflict as much as possible, so I'm not so enthusiastic > > about a shotgun on a string. > > That's cool. Just don't support laws affecting my decisions. Have no fear, Tim! No one ever asks me how the laws should be anyway. From nobody at mix.winterorbit.com Mon Jan 7 19:05:24 2002 From: nobody at mix.winterorbit.com (Anonymous) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:05:24 +0100 Subject: Spooky noises Message-ID: <7dcfb3c2bef68d55a23cca9606cde9cb@mix.winterorbit.com> Petro spoke: > There are 3 cases why one would keep a loaded firearm in the house > for self defense--well, at least three, but three general cases is all I > can think of off the top of my head: Why wouldn't you keep loaded guns in the house? Guns should always be loaded, and everyone made aware of it. My kids were raised knowing they were always loaded, and they were never "hidden" or locked up. They also were allowed to shoot them, and often. They also had guns of their own which they could shoot and were allowed to play with under supervision. I've never, in all my life, as far as I know, ever lived in a house without loaded guns in it. At least as far back as I can remember, my Daddy's guns were loaded, at least the pistols. Mine always have been, and always will be. If you raise your kids to be stupid about loaded guns, or any other dangerous tool -- well, I guess Darwin had a point. From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 7 09:11:51 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 04:11:51 +1100 Subject: Seveso near St Louis.Professor Rat "concerned." Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020108040605.00a469e0@pop.useoz.com> YOUNG MALE RATS ARE 'DEMASCULINIZED' AND 'FEMINIZED' BY LOW DOSES OF DIOXIN Three new studies by researchers at University of Wisconsin reveal that very low doses of dioxin alter the sexual development of young male rats, causing demasculinization and feminization. [1,2,3] Dr. Linda S. Birnbaum, a scientist with U.S. EPA [Environmental Protection Agency] calls the new studies "highly significant."[4] Birnbaum is one of the chief scientists conducting the EPA's formal reassessment of the toxicity of dioxin (see RHWN #269, #270, #275). As we reported earlier (RHWN #279), many scientists, including Birnbaum, now consider dioxin an "environmental hormone." The new Wisconsin studies support that view. The Wisconsin researchers, led by Dr. Richard E. Peterson, showed that dioxin interferes with the sexual development of male rats exposed to dioxin before, and shortly after, birth. Pregnant female rats were given a single oral dose of dioxin on the 15th day of pregnancy; their male offspring showed reduced levels of male hormones in their blood and a variety of sexual aberrations that stayed with them as they matured. The young males are demasculinized and feminized by doses of dioxin too low to cause any measurable toxicity in the mother rat. The sexual changes in the young males are both physiological and behavioral, and last into adulthood. Dioxin passes through the placenta and enters the fetus, so the rat fetuses received part of the mother's dose almost immediately. After birth, the baby rats continued to receive a small dose of dioxin through their mother's milk. Peterson says the baby rats received the bulk of their dose through milk. In rats and humans both, females rid their bodies of dioxin chiefly by excreting it in their milk. Dioxin is soluble in fats and oils, and milk is high in fat. Dioxin is the common name for a family of 75 toxins, the most potent of which is TCDD [2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-P-dioxin]. The Wisconsin researchers used TCDD in their experiments. More on this shocking story inc.Terror in times beach at http://www.ejnet.org/rachel/rhwn290.htm part of http://www.ejnet.org/dioxin/index.html From ronfowler31 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 13:15:11 2002 From: ronfowler31 at yahoo.com (ronfowler31 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 04:15:11 -1700 Subject: Take A Look At This 23719 Message-ID: <00001b5835ad$00004ba2$00000d8c@mx1.mail.yahoo.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We don't have details > ("classified," "national security," "CIPA") but the exhibit > introduced as evidence shows backspaces, up-down arrows, and other > functions you'd normally associate with keyboard entry only. That does not mean that they were using only a primitive BIOS level logger. A GUI-interceptor would generate a huge log of activities; you would just pipe it through grep TYPE: KEYBOARD-INPUT or something and it would give you the same thing. It doesn't really matter, because GUI-interceptors are off-the-shelf things, so if they felt they needed it, they would get it. It's all pretty basic. Bottom line: If your attacker gets access to your hardware without you knowing it, and he has resources and a clue, he wins. The threshold for "clue" and "resources" in this case is very very low; maybe $100 to install your basic hardware keylogger. From jya at pipeline.com Tue Jan 8 07:18:45 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 07:18:45 -0800 Subject: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd In-Reply-To: <20020107233628.D17761@cluebot.com> References: <4E213D27-02D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> <4E213D27-02D1-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: Declan wrote: >Or there's something about the cypherpunks list that attracts 'em, >which I tend to think is the case. Agreed, that is what distinguishes this list, now, and based on the archives, from its beginning. While Tim used miswiring coyly, the term fits most of what produces innovative stuff in human affairs. The wired, no pun Declan, just repeat, exploit, copy, plagiarize, steal, and claim as their own what the miswired originated, again as evidenced here but hardly only here. And the wired are forever proclaiming the need for more innovation, but when they attempt to demonstrate what they mean, all too often it is very slyly repackaged fruit cultivated by, ahem, nobodies. Reputation is an obession with the wired, knowing as they do that without that they are nothing. So they must erect fantastic images of themselves, constantly culling their output for new ways of packaging it; they must destroy whatever innovation puts their reputation at risk; they must band together to promote each other's brand; and they must ever be alert for threatening other totems and taboos which diminish their own voodoo. The wired are pathetically traditional, are addicted to pantheons of heros, fear genuine novelty, vainly struggle to impose their carapacial vision on reality to hide their dread of the unknown. The love special connections to others like themselves, a web of trust, a secret, exclusive web is best of all (though cloaked with a scrim of openness). Miswired, yeah, that's the the true cypherpunk waywardness, and within that open-minded ambience a few self-filtered, -censored wired are tolerable to remind what not to do, how not to be, what not to say, who not to hang with, who to be kindly to despite the deliberate self-incapacitation to avoid risk. The wired love grammar and other strict rules of human affairs so they can play at defying them in an approved manner, having banked their all on insider cheating, using the rules to favor themselves. The wired love government and its perfect mate anti-government. But fear going too far and rationalize cowardice as shrewdness. None of this is to be taken seriously for it adopts the style of the long-winded wired: shut up and listen to my infallible preaching. From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jan 8 05:44:30 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:44:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: Fw: What is WEF? (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:14:18 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph K." To: ; ; Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: What is WEF? > > This is kinda long and, frankly, it's not exactly Dostoyevsky > (sorry), but it does pretty much cover the bases, I think. It's > adapted from an Australian website that was used to organize around > a previous regional WEF meeting, and it's probably stuff we all > need to know before we go screaming our heads off in front of > the national media. > jTuba > > > What is the WEF? > > > "As the world around us has become smaller, the Forum has grown > in both size influence." > > > >From Jan. 31-Feb. 4, the World Economic Forum (WEF) will be meeting > at the Waldorf-Astoria in Manhattan for it's annual summit. Alexander > Downer, who attended the 1998 Summit, describes the Summit as > the world's 'Business Olympics'. The yearly meeting, usually > held at WEF headquarters in Davos, Switzerland, was rescheduled > to meet in New York as a token of support for the injuries our > city sustained on September 11th. > > The WEF is, in a way, a big cocktail party for the global corporate > elite. As an organization, it has no power to actually set policy, > but it creates a space in which international "leaders" can hash > out their vision for the rest of us. In their own words, "they > are fully engaged in the process of defining and advancing the > global agenda." More specifically, it's our globe, but it's their > agenda. > > The Forum was born in 1971 as a yearly 'European Management Forum' > of Euro-corporates. It was funded by the European Commission until > 1987, when it became the WEF and started to claim global reach. > Its membership reflects its class orientation, and includes the > most prominent transnational corporations, 1000 of which make > up the WEF 'Foundation Members'. In addition, there is a club > of 'Global Growth Companies'; 300 'Industry Governors'; 300 Global > Leaders of Tomorrow'; 'World Economic Leaders' from both politics > and business; 'World Media Leaders' from 100 media groups; 100 > 'World Cultural Leaders'; and 'Forum Fellows' from academia and > the heads of national economic research organizations. > > The WEF aspires to be an agenda-setting Forum. It is, in its own > modest opinion, 'the foremost global partnership of business, > political, intellectual and other leaders of society committed > to improving the state of the world'. With the diffusion of neo-liberalism, > and consequent advances in corporate globalization from the 1980s, > the WEF has taken on an unprecedented role as a rallying point > for global elites, and as a vehicle for class power. Clearly the > WEF can't set the agenda and certainly can't determine the outcomes > - it is not a conspiratorial cabal standing over society. Rather, > it is a class grouping, fully embedded in social relations, that > self-consciously takes on the role of planning for collective > class interests. It seeks to influence the political agendas and > respond to the prevailing challenges - and in this respect, as > Kees van der Pijl argues, it is the first 'true International > of capital'. > > The Forum has been remarkably successful - since 1971 the 'state > of the world' has dramatically improved for many of the participating > corporations. WEF strategizing drove the neo-liberal agenda in > the 1980's, bringing together politicians from the 'pretender' > states of the newly industrializing world, as well as from the > OECD states, to map out an agenda with transnational business > executives. It offered a proactive forum, removed from the public > gaze, and played a central role in diffusing neo-liberalism. The > model was presented as the solution to the crises of accumulation > experienced in the 1970s and early 1980s, and was highly effective > in extending the reign of the market. > > This success has come at the price of built-in uncertainty and > instability. Globalized neo-liberalism had led to a dramatic redrawing > of the boundaries of capitalism (or rather, an unbounding of capitalism > altogether). Temporal boundaries have melted away with the speeding > up of circulation; spatial boundaries have been superceded with > the growing transnational reach of corporations; even socio-psychological > boundaries have lifted, with the increased commodification of > life. A newly empowered transnational capitalist class has emerged > triumphant, presiding over the new landscapes of accumulation. > But class hegemony is by no means assured - uncharted territory > imposes incalculable risk. Speeding circulation compresses business > cycles; confidence rests on ephemera; ideological symbols are > presented as so-called 'fundamentals'; frenzied speculation rules. > Corporate transnationalism exhausts social and physical environments; > deeper commodification disassembles social solidarity and generates > powerful imperatives for cultural survival, often carried through > the new modes of social communication. > > As a result, since at least the mid 1990s, neo-liberal prescriptions > have been widely discredited (just look at the present crisis > in Argentina). Exponential rises in executive salaries, and in > corporate accumulation, along with a dramatic concentration of > economic power across all sectors, offer clear evidence of the > success of neo-liberalism as a class strategy. But neo-liberal > globalization has also brought unprecedented levels of global > inequality, and undreamed-of degrees of financial instability, > environmental exhaustion and social dislocation. The neo-liberal > triumph has created new sources of opposition, the impacts and > responses have been unrelenting, and advocates have been forced > to go on the defensive. The high water mark was 1995, when the > OECD declared it was marking out a 'global vision for the year > 2020, a New Global Age'. But already a political revival, inspired > by social democratic ideas, and expressed in a new form of social > liberalism sometimes described as the 'Third Way', was sweeping > the OECD. > > As neo-liberal prescriptions have unraveled, there has been an > urgent revision of the WEF's neo-liberal project. The WEF has > left behind its market fundamentalism, and now is charting a new > agenda for corporate globalism, one that embraces rather than > rejects 'the social'. The massed ranks of analysts, consultants > and advisers, from credit ratings agencies, management consultancies, > inter-governmental institutions and non-government organizations, > have entered the fray, battling to define the new accumulation > paradigm. There are continuing efforts to enhance 'market discipline', > to suppress the advancing crises, to institutionalize transnational > class power, and render neo-liberal globalism irreversible. Yet > there is also deepening dissent amongst policy-making groups. > There is a rethinking of neo-liberalism even amongst the most > elite institutions: as Hans-Peter Martin and Herald Schuman demonstrate, > many of the most powerful players in global capitalism are questioning > the 'dictatorship of the market'. Primary advocates and beneficiaries > of neo-liberal globalism, such as George Soros and Ted Turner, > both of whom had embarked on paternalist interventions - the imaginatively > branded 'Soros Foundation' and 'Turner Foundation' - began expressing > sincere regrets at the social costs of neo-liberalism. Other elements, > as van der Pijl highlights, went further and increasingly have > been rethinking and explicitly 'mobilizing against yesterday's > prescriptions'. These have much wider ramifications, potentially > enabling 'a deepening of democracy, a reappropriation of the public > sphere by the population, and eventually a more fundamental transformation > away from class society'. > > Recent developments have only strengthened the leverage of this > dissenting segment. Institutional crises of legitimacy have accumulated, > with the OECD shelving its 'Multilateral Agreement on Investment' > in 1998, the temporary ditching of the World Trade Organization's > 'Millenium Round' in 1999, and the advancing crisis in the International > Monetary Fund's global regime of 'structural adjustment'. Add > into the equation the continuing crisis in 'transitional' post-communist > societies, especially Russia, and the severe jolt delivered to > the 'Newly Industrializing countries' of East Asia by financial > 'contagion' in 1997-8, and the impending bursting of the infotainment > bubble, then the challenges to neo-liberalism begin to seem irresistible. > Expressing this, there have been the dramatic public explosions > against neo-liberal globalization: Geneva 1996, Cologne 1998, > Seattle 1999, Washington 2000, Montreal and Genoa 2001. > > For the first time in many years, 'anti-capitalist' protest has > returned to the capitalist heartland, and to the global stage. > These protests open up the ideological space for the articulation > of alternative guiding principles, putting on the agenda the possibility > of transformation away from the current malaise. As the promotion > of capitalist discipline is questioned, protest targeted at the > agents of neo-liberal globalization gains remarkable political > leverage. In this political climate WEF meetings start to take > on a special significance. Since 1996 the WEF has attracted increasingly > militant opposition, and it has responded by attempting to re-chart > the neo-liberal project. The WEF response is to deliberately avoid > the appearance of backroom strategizing, and instead to seek a > higher public profile, attempting to reground its legitimacy by > being seen to engage with prominent advocates of the emerging > alternatives. The WEF is thus placing itself at the center of > debates about the revision of neo-liberalism, asserting that it > can play 'important role in forging the new geometry'. > > Reflecting this, the WEF has reached out to those 'excluded' by > neo-liberal globalization - notably non-OECD governments, such > as Mexico and South Africa, and critical Non-Government Organizations, > such as the International Confederation of Free Trade Unions (ICFTU). > At Davos in 1998 Hillary Clinton argued the role of NGOs and other > representatives of 'civil society' had to be enhanced, while John > Sweeney, from the AFL-CIO, focused on issues of distribution, > arguing markets had to 'work for the majority and not simply for > the few'. In 1999 Vice-President Al Gore appeared with Kofi Annan, > who appealed for a 'global compact' between business and the UN > founded on 'core values in the areas of human rights, labor standards, > and environmental practices'. In 2000 President Clinton shared > the Millennial limelight - somewhat blurred by Seattle - with > Tony Blair. Davos policy debates are now couched in terms of 'institutional > accommodation', 'corporate responsibility' and 'global dialogue', > with sessions in 2000 on 'responsible globality', 'inclusive prosperity' > and 'sustainable development'. Perhaps most cynically, the WEF's > 'World Competitiveness Scorecard' - a yearly league-table of 'how > national environments are conducive or detrimental to the domestic > and global competitiveness of enterprises' - was supplemented > by an 'Environmental Sustainability Index' at Davos 2000. At the > same time, as Jane Kelsey highlights, a new 'World Economic Community' > internet link-up between 10,000 key economic decision-makers - > an internet 'hotline' for concertizing corporate responses - is > being constructed. > > The contest is on to establish a revised normative and institutional > framework for the global economy. The WEF is claiming a central > role in shaping the agenda, and some, such as the ICFTU, are participants > in the process, taking heart in the WEF's apparent willingness > to become an advocate of 'globalization with a human face'. But > the key question is whether the WEF should be permitted to drive > this agenda. Should a forum that is dominated by corporate interests > be encouraged to take on the role of mapping out future frameworks > for global governance? Should it be granted recognition and legitimacy > in this agenda-setting process? Or, rather, should its role be > challenged, and alternative sources of legitimacy be asserted? > > There was a telling moment at Davos 2000 when the assembled executives > refused to vacate the conference chamber to enable a security > check before Clinton's speech. The US President's Security Service > was forced to back down after a corporate 'sit-in'. Clinton's > speech went ahead: even the President of the US has to respect > the wishes of the corporate club. Perhaps he should have joined > the 1000 protestors outside the conference venue, and joined the > democratic movement against corporate power. > > There will be similar protests outside New York summit of the > WEF later this month. In 1999 the summit lobbied for regional > governments to back the coming WTO 'Millennium Round', arguing > that trade liberalization was inevitable and needed to be extended > into 'free and fair competition, protecting intellectual property > and foreign investment'. In > 2002 we can expect much rhetoric about inclusiveness and sustainability. > There will be plenty of ironic moments and opportunities to politicize > globalized neo-liberalism. > Information on the anti-WEF protest is available at http://www.s11.org > > Sources: > Kelsey, Jane, 2000, Reclaiming the Future, Bridget Williams Books, > Wellington; > Martin, Hans-Peter and Schumann, Harald, 1997, The Global Trap, > Pluto, Sydney; > Kees van der Pijl, 1998, Transnational classes and international > relations, Routledge, London. > The website of the World Economic Forum: http://www.weforum.org > > James Goodman, Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences, University > of > Technology Sydney (UTS), PO Box 123, Broadway, NSW 2007, Australia, > > Tel: 9514 2714, Fax: 9514 2332, Email: james.goodman at uts.edu.au > Website: http://www.uts.edu.au/fac/hss/Research/protglob > > > > > > > Destroy it. > Enjoy it. > -slits > > > __________________________________________________ > FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. > Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com > From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Tue Jan 8 09:21:01 2002 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:21:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) Message-ID: <200201081721.g08HL1x08701@artifact.psychedelic.net> Someone else needs to read the comp.compression FAQ. http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=technologynews&StoryID=498720 ----- NEW YORK (Reuters) - A Florida research start-up working with a team of renowned mathematicians said on Monday it had achieved a breakthrough that overcomes the previously known limits of compression used to store and transmit data. If proven and successfully commercialized, the discovery asserted by ZeoSync Corp of West Palm Beach, Florida could overturn half a century of thinking in the field of lossless data compression and undermine business assumptions on which the telecommunications and other digital industries are based. Lossless compression is the process by which computer data can be compacted, stored and then restored with complete fidelity, or zero loss of data. Existing compression techniques typically shed redundant data in order to conserve space. ZeoSync said its scientific team had succeeded on a small scale in compressing random information sequences in such a way as to allow the same data to be compressed more than 100 times over -- with no data loss. That would be at least an order of magnitude beyond current known algorithms for compacting data. [Someone needs to learn the pigeonhole principle. You can not give each member of a set of 2^(N*100) things its own unique identifier taken from a set of 2^N things.] The company's claims, which are yet to be demonstrated in any public forum, could vastly boost the ability of computer disks to store, text, music and video -- if ZeoSync's formulae succeed in scaling up to handle massive amounts of data. The same compression technique might one day make make high-speed Internet access cheaper and widely available across the globe, posing a threat to huge investments in telecommunications network capacity, an industry analyst said. "Either this research is the next 'Cold Fusion' scam that dies away or it's the foundation for a Nobel Prize. I don't have an answer to which one it is yet," said David Hill, a data storage analyst with Boston-based Aberdeen Group. [David needs to read the comp.compression FAQ too.] In 1990, a group of Utah researchers scandalized the scientific world with claims -- quickly found to be unsupported -- that the long-sought answer to the problem of Cold Fusion had been discovered. Hill, the only independent analyst briefed ahead of the announcement, said ZeoSync's claims were theoretically feasible, but years away from definitive proof. He will require more information before evaluating ZeoSync's claims, he said. [You know, if you run the random data through the algorithm a second time, I bet you would get 10,000:1 compression.] ZeoSync, whose Web site can be located at http://www.zeosync.com/, was founded by Peter St. George, an Internet and financial services entrepreneur, who has a background in telecommunications research. ZeoSync, with 30 full-time employees, said it had collaborated with experts from Harvard University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Stanford University and researchers in Warsaw, Moscow, and Beijing. BREAK WITH CURRENT TECHNOLOGIES Among the scientific team working with ZeoSync is Steve Smale, one of America's most renowned mathematicians. Smale is an emeritus professor at the University of California at Berkeley and the 1966 winner of the Fields Prize, the Nobel Prize for researchers in this field. He could not be reached for comment on his role in the project. Peter St. George, ZeoSync founder and chief executive, said his company's technique challenged the foundations of digital communications theory spelled out by AT&T's Dr. Claude Shannon in his classic 1948 treatise on Information Theory. Shannon, who died in 1991, had proposed that any type of information, from human speech to computer keyboards to storage disks is limited by the capacity of the data channel over which it flows. This is the basis of digital communications theory. "What we've developed is a new plateau in communications theory," St. George said. "We are expecting to produce the enormous capacity of analog signaling, with the benefit of the noise-free integrity of digital communications." The techniques described by ZeoSync would mark a break with the dozens of existing compression technologies, including MPEG for video and music and JPEG for pictures and graphics are able to compact data at compression rates up to 10 times the original. These algorithms typically work by eliminating long strings of identifiable bits of data such as blue sky, green grass or the white background of a snow-covered landscape. In a statement, ZeoSync said its techniques, "once fully developed, will offer compression ratios that are anticipated to approach the hundreds-to-one range." Using mathematical terminology, the company said its technique "intentionally randomizes naturally occurring patterns to form entropy-like random sequences." ZeoSync said it had applied for patent protection for a technology it calls Zero Space Tuner, and a related technique it calls BinaryAccelerator, which encodes data into perfectly reproducible compressed formats. The company expects the technology to be in commercial use during 2003, it said. [It is much more likely that winged monkeys will fly out of St George's nether regions.] St. George told Reuters the company was in talks with unnamed potential strategic partners, including a major supplier of computer chips used in multimedia compression and also a leading Hollywood music studio, among others. Partnerships deals will be announced over the next several months, he said, although no deals had yet been reached. The company said its technology could be used to enhance existing compression techniques such as fractals, a school of geometry that seeks to find order in the chaos of the natural world. "We would like to invite additional members of the scientific community to join us in our efforts to revolutionize digital technology," St. George said of the formerly secretive project. "There is a lot of exciting work to be done." -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From mmotyka at lsil.com Tue Jan 8 08:51:09 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:51:09 -0700 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) Message-ID: <3C3B237D.68592448@lsil.com> Eric Cordian wrote : >Someone else needs to read the comp.compression FAQ. > >http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=technologynews&StoryID=498720 > >----- > >NEW YORK (Reuters) - A Florida research start-up working with a team of >renowned mathematicians said on Monday it had achieved a breakthrough that >overcomes the previously known limits of compression used to store and >transmit data. >... >ZeoSync said its scientific team had succeeded on a small scale in >compressing random information sequences in such a way as to allow the >same data to be compressed more than 100 times over -- with no data loss. >That would be at least an order of magnitude beyond current known >algorithms for compacting data. >... >-- >Eric Michael Cordian 0+ > There may be a way to derive & patch together pseudorandom sequence generators, who knows. If there is anything real about this I wonder how long it takes to compress large blocks of arbitrary input data? Geological time scales anyone? Mike From mmotyka at lsil.com Tue Jan 8 09:06:04 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:06:04 -0700 Subject: Prisoner on line discussion (fwd) Message-ID: <3C3B26FC.6B01F920@lsil.com> Never saw it. I'm still waiting for the complete Maxwell Smart on DVD. Mike From keyser-soze at hushmail.com Tue Jan 8 11:38:57 2002 From: keyser-soze at hushmail.com (keyser-soze at hushmail.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:38:57 -0800 Subject: End of the IRS?? Message-ID: <200201081938.g08JcvP43705@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> At 12:00 AM 1/8/2002 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >I've never quite understood how the amendment-not-ratified-properly-in-1913 argument is supposed to play out. >If this were 1915 and we suddenly realized that there was some funny business going on, that would be one thing. >But much has changed in the last 90 or so years. Courts have allowed the federal government to seize power not granted by the Constitution (and, in some cases, strictly prohibited by it). Booze prohibition required a constitutional amendment; drug prohibition wouldn't. All the more reason to go on a mindless killing spree. >So even if someone were to prove that the 16th Am. wasn't quite kosher, what would stop the courts from saying -- it wasn't necessary? No but it would provide whatever moral basis one needs to terminate the vermin with extreme prejudice. What's needed are a few terminally ill militia minded souls to give up their last few weeks for the cause. I know I wouldn't hesitate. Maybe an anon cash pool, collected after the fact, to support these patriots' families could be used to offer additional incentive. "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty " --- Thomas Jefferson From Paulmcatee27 at aol.com Tue Jan 8 08:59:23 2002 From: Paulmcatee27 at aol.com (Paulmcatee27 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:59:23 EST Subject: virise Message-ID: <196.ca691c.296c7f6b@aol.com> i would like to know how to make a viris u can get me at paulmcatee27 at aol.com From georgemw at speakeasy.net Tue Jan 8 12:33:04 2002 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:33:04 -0800 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: <3C3B237D.68592448@lsil.com> Message-ID: <3C3AE700.10003.AB227F@localhost> On 8 Jan 2002, at 9:51, Michael Motyka wrote: > Eric Cordian wrote : > >Someone else needs to read the comp.compression FAQ. > > > >http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=technologynews&StoryID=498720 > > > >----- > > > >NEW YORK (Reuters) - A Florida research start-up working with a team of > >renowned mathematicians said on Monday it had achieved a breakthrough that > >overcomes the previously known limits of compression used to store and > >transmit data. > >... > >ZeoSync said its scientific team had succeeded on a small scale in > >compressing random information sequences in such a way as to allow the > >same data to be compressed more than 100 times over -- with no data loss. > >That would be at least an order of magnitude beyond current known > >algorithms for compacting data. > >... > >-- > >Eric Michael Cordian 0+ > > > There may be a way to derive & patch together pseudorandom sequence > generators, who knows. If there is anything real about this I wonder how > long it takes to compress large blocks of arbitrary input data? > Geological time scales anyone? > > Mike > A meaningless question. As Eric correctly points out, true random input simply cannot be compressed, it doesn't matter how clever you are or how much time and computing power you have access to. Converseley, if you're just intereted in "compressing" the results of your own pseudo-random number generator, it's trivial to do it instantly, just store the seed and the desired file size. George > From mdpopescu at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 02:48:45 2002 From: mdpopescu at yahoo.com (Marcel Popescu) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:48:45 +0200 Subject: Shoe bomb (fwd) References: Message-ID: <010c01c19832$0b940000$5600a8c0@mark> > The following article is pretty unsettling, in that it makes the case that > - the technique is carefully thought out, and > - there will be more of these attacks, and > - there aren't good ways to stop them. Sleeping gas. Once the plane starts, fill the airplane with something that causes sleep. (Make sure the pilots are isolated, of course). Lots of savings - you don't need stewardesses, you don't need food or drinks... Mark From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Tue Jan 8 06:15:57 2002 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:15:57 +0000 Subject: "Shoe bomb" and "how to defeat spyware" References: Message-ID: <3C3AFF1C.AEC4001@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> http://www.idaho-post.org/Special_Notices/homemade_explosive.htm implies that triacetone triperoxide can be home-made, and has intriguing reference to "ping pong balls dissolved in acetone". Interestingly, despite scare stories, a simple google search doesn't turn up details on how to make the stuff (neither does the Science Citation Index, which might have been a better bet, though I imagine anyone with access to a University library could get the information) It also says that police in Quebec have orders to "withdraw immediately" if hydrogen peroxide, acetone and sulphuric acid are found in a building, because it is used as a booby trap by illegal hemp growers. Obvious cross-link to the other thread abut physical security here. IT seems TATP is the chemical of choice for the sort of thing some posters were thinking about. And google has just told me that the husband of a colleague of mine has published a paper on PETN - thousands of tons of which are apparently manufactured every year and used in industry and medicine (it is a vasodilator and cardioactive drug). So it might not be too difficult to find that for sale. So the argument that he wasn't acting alone boils down to "we think he was too stupid to think it up" or else "we want you to think there are lots of conspiracies so you give us lots of money to investigate them". http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1631000/1631755.stm is the BBC report of an appeal by two Palestinians who are in jail in London for (amongst other things) making bombs out of TATP in London in 1994, there is a website about the court case at: http://www.freesaj.org.uk/Appeal01_judgement.htm Of course maybe the stuff really is hard to make & the Canadian police are dealing with unusually sophisticated drug dealers and hemp growers. I think Reid lived in South London, as do I. (he attended Brixton mosque for a while). Of course there are no drug dealers or hemp growers in South London. Really. Honestly. And the shop in my neighbourhood that sells hydroponic kits is frequented only by little old ladies with serious orchid collections. Ken Eugene Leitl wrote: [...] > The following article is pretty unsettling, in that it makes the case that > - the technique is carefully thought out, and > - there will be more of these attacks, and > - there aren't good ways to stop them. > > -Olin > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/01/06/MN222117.DTL > Shoe-bomb flight -- a trial run? > U.S., British officials fear similar attacks in the works > Simon Reeve, Special to The Chronicle [...] > "These bombs are sophisticated devices," said the British intelligence > official. "They would have been difficult and dangerous to produce. Reid could > not have done this himself -- he would have trouble tying his own shoelaces. > It seems we may have an expert bomb maker on the loose in Europe." From faustine. at hushmail.com Tue Jan 8 14:18:46 2002 From: faustine. at hushmail.com (faustine. at hushmail.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:18:46 -0800 Subject: Spooky noises and untracable strong vengeance in the night Message-ID: <200201082218.g08MIkK68767@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 3117 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmotyka at lsil.com Tue Jan 8 13:27:47 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:27:47 -0700 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) Message-ID: <3C3B6453.51C97C98@lsil.com> georgemw at speakeasy.net wrote : > >On 8 Jan 2002, at 9:51, Michael Motyka wrote: > >> Eric Cordian wrote : >> >Someone else needs to read the comp.compression FAQ. >> > >> >http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=technologynews&StoryID=498720 >> > >> >----- >> > >> >NEW YORK (Reuters) - A Florida research start-up working with a team of >> >renowned mathematicians said on Monday it had achieved a breakthrough that >> >overcomes the previously known limits of compression used to store and >> >transmit data. >> >... >> >ZeoSync said its scientific team had succeeded on a small scale in >> >compressing random information sequences in such a way as to allow the >> >same data to be compressed more than 100 times over -- with no data loss. >> >That would be at least an order of magnitude beyond current known >> >algorithms for compacting data. >> >... >> >-- >> >Eric Michael Cordian 0+ >> > >> There may be a way to derive & patch together pseudorandom sequence >> generators, who knows. If there is anything real about this I wonder how >> long it takes to compress large blocks of arbitrary input data? >> Geological time scales anyone? >> >> Mike >> > >A meaningless question. As Eric correctly points out, true >random input simply cannot be compressed, it doesn't matter >how clever you are or how much time and computing power you >have access to. Converseley, if you're just intereted in >"compressing" the results of your own pseudo-random number >generator, it's trivial to do it instantly, just store the seed >and the desired file size. > >George > So what is compression/decompression? Isn't it just finding corresponding sets using defined procedures, one set being "smaller" than the other? Which types of procedures are allowed and which are not? What exactly is random data? Does it have to appear to be random? Does it have to pass some set of statistical tests to be random? If a string or bits from a radiation source spells "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" in ASCII is it non-random - a message from above? If a string of bits from a natural source ( decay etc ) matches a string of bits from some PRNG is it somehow disqualified as truly random data? I think the classification random does not rule out the presence of local patterns however obscure. If a substring of data happens to match what is generated by some PRNG then that substring can be "compressed" to {generator, seed, count}. The geological timescale might be involved in matching generator outputs to input data sections or deriving generators for subsections of data. So, bottom line, my point, while not necessarily practical, was entirely missed by you even as you summarized it :-) Here we go : "As Eric correctly points out, true random input simply cannot be compressed, it doesn't matter how clever you are or how much time and computing power you have access to." 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From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jan 8 13:10:46 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:10:46 -0600 Subject: Slashdot | What's Holding Up Broadband in the U.S.? Message-ID: <3C3B6056.39495CC3@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/02/01/08/2012225.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 7 20:16:53 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:16:53 +1100 Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020108150313.009ee730@pop.useoz.com> >>Someone stealing a television or PC has certainly earned killing. This is what strong crypto will make more possible: the deliverance of strong vengeance, untraceably. (Hint: This preceeded Jimbell by many years.)<< "extremely dark markets",and one of the "four horsemen" if memory serves you well as it doesn't appear to. Hint-Tim hates being superceded. >>Fact is, many people have already earned killing. The only reason we cannot dispose of them is that liberal shits interfere with vengeance.<< We white gun owning right thinking anarcho-crapitalists? You wont live long in crypto-anarchy. >>Again, my mileage varies. And since I decide what is important to me, it's "my house, my rules."<< Don't let anyone in the way the previous owners did. >>I don't mind that a lot of people are liberal pansies<< Tim was bitching about his state,(cali) 5 years ago,AT LEAST.He hasn't yet moved to Montana where men are men. >>who believe thieves are not worthy of killing. However, if they help to pass laws restricting my own choices, then they have earned killing themselves. Certainly nearly every member, with but a handful of exceptions, of Congress has earned the death penalty many times over. --Tim May<< APster style? Put up or shut up May,you are a waste of OOO's and 111's. From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Tue Jan 8 15:20:49 2002 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:20:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: <3C3B6453.51C97C98@lsil.com> from "Michael Motyka" at Jan 08, 2002 02:27:47 PM Message-ID: <200201082320.g08NKn509167@artifact.psychedelic.net> Michael Motyka wrote: > What exactly is random data? Does it have to appear to be random? > Does it have to pass some set of statistical tests to be random? If a > string or bits from a radiation source spells "Merry Christmas and a > Happy New Year" in ASCII is it non-random - a message from above? Randomness is generally defined for sequences, which are mappings from the non-negative integers onto some finite set of symbols. A sequence is random if its values are independently selected and uniformly distributed. A random sequence of ASCII characters will not only spell out "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" numerous times, but will spell out every other possible piece of text as well. In a random sequence of bits, all 2^N N-bit strings are equally likely to occur as we step through the sequence, for any chosen value of N. The Theory of Compression works with sequences. Finite sets of data, or strings, are considered to be initial segments of sequences. There is also the notion of the Kolmogorov complexity of a string, which is the length of the shortest program which generates it. This also leads to the Kolmogorov definition of a random string, as one whose shortest description is itself. Most practical compression algorithms, however, do not work with the complexity of data in the Kolmogorov sense, but merely compress a sequence using a fixed amount of its previous history as a dictionary. As a simple example of how a good compression algorithm might work, consider a person sitting in front of a console that displays the first N-1 characters of some text. The person tries to guess character N and makes successive guesses until the computer tells him he is successful. If we entropy code the number of guesses at each point, and we presume different persons use the same deterministic algorithm for guessing based on a knowlege of the English language, and on what has previously occurred in the text, we can transform any English text of more than trivial length into a lesser number of bits than are required to represent it in ASCII. If we imagine such a scheme applied to the random binary sequence described earlier, the person will on the average require 1 guess 50% of the time, and 2 guesses the other 50% of the time to correctly identify the next bit. Entropy coding two symbols which occur with equal frequency requires one bit for each occurrence. In this case, attempting "compression" requires one bit output for each bit input, demonstrating that a random sequence cannot be compressed. Talking about a finite string being "random" in the commonly accepted non-Kolmogorov sense is a meaningless notion, apart from the string being the initial segment of some random seqence. Any random string is produced by taking a finite number of instances of some random variable, and such a random variable has, by definition, an infinite sequence of such instances over which its mathematical properties are defined. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Tue Jan 8 15:30:48 2002 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:30:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: <20020108174606.B27692@cluebot.com> from "Declan McCullagh" at Jan 08, 2002 05:46:06 PM Message-ID: <200201082330.g08NUm509201@artifact.psychedelic.net> Declan opines: > I'm naturally skeptical of this claim (until I can verify it for > myself), but I do not believe the claim is "we can encode random data > at 100:1." >From the article: "ZeoSync said its scientific team had succeeded on a small scale in compressing random information sequences in such a way as to allow the same data to be compressed more than 100 times over -- with no data loss." Now of course it's possible they were horribly misquoted. Still, it is worrisome that so many people quoted in the article think such algorithmic gymnastics are mathematically possible. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 7 20:32:23 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:32:23 +1100 Subject: Only users lose drugs. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020108153042.009f0a70@pop.useoz.com> Subject: Only Users Lose Drugs... [WAS!WAS: Chronicles of Arnold 0000 0011] Gee, I sure hope no one posts this to the CypherPukes Disturbed Male LISP... [WAS: "Please, Br'er Fox, Don't Throw Me In That Liar Patch"] HGWells - New World Order - Cira(SS) 1940 "One of the more unpleasant aspects of a state of war under modern conditions is the appearance of a swarm of individuals, too clever by half, in positions of authority. Excited, conceited, prepared to lie, distort and generally humbug people into states of acquiescence, resistance, indignation, vindictiveness, doubt and mental confusion, states of mind supposed to be conductive to a final military victory. These people love to twist and censor facts. It gives them a feeling of power; if they cannot create they can at least prevent and conceal. Particularly they poke themselves in between us and the people with whom we are at war to distort any possible reconciliation. They sit, filled with the wine of their transitory powers, aloof from the fatigues and dangers of conflict, pulling imaginary strings in people's minds." The more the stains on the back of the world's shorts change, the more they remain the same... ~ButtMonger #05987-196 [Herb Caen 3Dot-Plagerist &OR& TCM PlonkFile Naturalized Citizen] "Anarchy! Together, We Can Make It Happen" From schear at lvcm.com Tue Jan 8 15:35:19 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:35:19 -0800 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: <3C3B6453.51C97C98@lsil.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108150816.03c5d940@pop3.lvcm.com> At 02:27 PM 1/8/2002 -0700, Michael Motyka wrote: >georgemw at speakeasy.net wrote : > > > >On 8 Jan 2002, at 9:51, Michael Motyka wrote: > > > >> Eric Cordian wrote : > >> >Someone else needs to read the comp.compression FAQ. >What exactly is random data? Does it have to appear to be random? Does >it have to pass some set of statistical tests to be random? If a string >or bits from a radiation source spells "Merry Christmas and a Happy New >Year" in ASCII is it non-random - a message from above? If a string of >bits from a natural source ( decay etc ) matches a string of bits from >some PRNG is it somehow disqualified as truly random data? > >I think the classification random does not rule out the presence of >local patterns however obscure. If a substring of data happens to match >what is generated by some PRNG then that substring can be "compressed" >to {generator, seed, count}. The geological timescale might be involved >in matching generator outputs to input data sections or deriving >generators for subsections of data. I came up with a similar approach in the late '80s (I may have even discussed it on the list a year or so back). I was interested in compressing image data, which has quite a bit of inter-pixel correlation. My approach was to run a Hilbert space filling curve through the image (it looks like a tightly wound maze). This allows one to maintain most of the pixel correlation while transforming from an array to line. Then I analyzed the auto correlation of the runs of various lengths and attempted to create generators which could produce the required combinations/permutations and auto correlations to code for the runs. I say attempted, because I was never able to find acceptable algorithms to satisfy my requirement. I still believe these algorithms exist, it was just my limitations in identifying the underlying math needed. steve From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jan 8 13:41:42 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:41:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: SSZ System Update = Downtime Alert Message-ID: Hello, Recently I sent a note out describing some of the future changes that SSZ would be going through. Well, one of those changes is here. In something approaching two weeks the T1 will be installed and the various name servers will be swapped over. As a result of propogation delay we expect 2-3 days of service outage. We'll also be upgrading various systems as well during this downtime. We apologize for any inconvenience and will try to minimize any service outages. Another change will be the elimination of all the SSZ mailing lists except the Cypherpunks, Hangar 18, & Club Inferno. The rest will be moved over onto the Open Forge machine or eliminated. Further info on this soon. We are still undecided on which of the Open Source code/document/media/project management packages we will end up with. If you have a distinct (dis)like for one or more of the current packages I'd appreciate hearing your reasoning. The Hangar 18 Plan 9 file server should be online sometime in March. It will be a single 80G namespace. We will then begin work on the processor farm. Our current estimate is to have approximately 6-8 machines available sometime late this summer. We currently have one 802.11b AP active in N. Austin (near Target on 183). Another node in Hyde Park (Duval & 48th) will be coming online in the near term. They are NOT usually accessible at this time. These two nodes share the T1 by a dedicated ISDN connection. These are components of the Hangar 18 co-op effort here in Austin. We are currently finalizing access policies and writing the web pages. Notices will be sent out on the Hangar 18 mailing list. For more info: Plan 9 http://plan9.bell-labs.com Hangar 18 http://einstein.ssz.com/hangar18 -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From measl at mfn.org Tue Jan 8 14:03:49 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:03:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: End of the IRS?? In-Reply-To: <200201081938.g08JcvP43705@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mattd :-) On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 keyser-soze at hushmail.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:38:57 -0800 > From: keyser-soze at hushmail.com > Reply-To: cypherpunks at ssz.com > To: cypherpunks at lne.com > Subject: CDR: Re: End of the IRS?? > > At 12:00 AM 1/8/2002 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >I've never quite understood how the amendment-not-ratified-properly-in-1913 > argument is supposed to play out. > > >If this were 1915 and we suddenly realized that there was some funny > business going on, that would be one thing. > > >But much has changed in the last 90 or so years. Courts have allowed > the federal government to seize power not granted by the Constitution > (and, in some cases, strictly prohibited by it). Booze prohibition > required a constitutional amendment; drug prohibition wouldn't. > > All the more reason to go on a mindless killing spree. > > > >So even if someone were to prove that the 16th Am. wasn't quite kosher, > what would stop the courts from saying -- it wasn't necessary? > > No but it would provide whatever moral basis one needs to terminate the vermin with extreme prejudice. What's needed are a few terminally ill militia minded souls to give up their last few weeks for the cause. I know I wouldn't hesitate. Maybe an anon cash pool, collected after the fact, to support these patriots' families could be used to offer additional incentive. > > "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; > when the government fears the people, there is liberty " > --- Thomas Jefferson > > -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From e-gold-announce at talk.e-gold.com Tue Jan 8 13:31:22 2002 From: e-gold-announce at talk.e-gold.com (e-gold-announce at talk.e-gold.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:31:22 -0500 Subject: [e-gold-announce] Turing challenge and Access Controls Message-ID: <200201090231.g092VfO31731@relay2.nyc2.aens.net> e-gold Ltd. is pleased to announce the deployment of additional security features benefiting all e-gold Users: *** Feature1: Turing number challenge must be successfully met for e-gold account access via web or shopping cart interfaces. Comment: Turing numbers (in this context) are random numbers presented in a graphical format that prevents the numbers from being machine readable. Benefits: 1. Foils passphrase guessing attempts by "robot programs". 2. 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James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From declan at well.com Tue Jan 8 14:46:06 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:46:06 -0500 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: <3C3B6453.51C97C98@lsil.com>; from mmotyka@lsil.com on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 02:27:47PM -0700 References: <3C3B6453.51C97C98@lsil.com> Message-ID: <20020108174606.B27692@cluebot.com> On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 02:27:47PM -0700, Michael Motyka wrote: > So what is compression/decompression? Isn't it just finding > corresponding sets using defined procedures, one set being "smaller" > than the other? Which types of procedures are allowed and which are not? > > What exactly is random data? Does it have to appear to be random? Does > it have to pass some set of statistical tests to be random? If a string I'm naturally skeptical of this claim (until I can verify it for myself), but I do not believe the claim is "we can encode random data at 100:1." They seem to be talking about 100:1 lossless compression of real-world data, which is generally not random. -DEclan From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Tue Jan 8 08:49:55 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:49:55 +0100 (MET) Subject: "Shoe bomb" and "how to defeat spyware" In-Reply-To: <3C3AFF1C.AEC4001@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Ken Brown wrote: > that triacetone triperoxide can be home-made, and has intriguing HMDT is another "alternative". Really fun to work with: Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics Subject: Re: HMDT Date: 10 Mar 92 04:53:20 GMT Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland. : : Well, I put a small piece of HMTD into a brick, and hitted it with a hammer, and it didn't detonate. I also tried a 'spark-test' from a lighter, and didn't managed to detonate HMTD. ( Indeed in ntp, and in normal condition, HMTD wont detonate If you light it, It'll burn like cellulose nitrate - with a yellow flame. Well, I was more than Happy to see, That I'd found A PERFECT Primary-explosive to detonate high-explosives. Well At the July of 1989 It happened, I was damping HMTD into a .22 LR copper cartridge, with a standart match, you see holding that cartridge in my left hand ,when it suddendly detonated, A HUGE explosion, and I found that for some reason, my hand was bleeding abt 1/2 liter of blood per min ( 1/9 gallon per min ) , and I could see my bone 'shining' through scraped human tissue. Epiloque. Never NEVER load B-caps in your hand, Always use special tamping device when loading Blasting caps - any other use for HMTD is silly - Believe me, I had hitted HMTD with a Hammer, It didn't detonate, and now, when I try to load that stuff from same batch into a copper container, It detonates, even I press with maybe 1/2 kg ( = 1 pound ) force it. Maybe the batch was impure, but believe me, It really explode without no reason. I must say that HMTD is a good explosive, but It's truly unpredictable. I'm sure that there are many others in this newsgroup who can tell the same thing - months of hard handling, and then, a explosion by a minumum force. : : > reference to "ping pong balls dissolved in acetone". Interestingly, They're made (or used to be made until very recently) from celluloid, nitrocellulose of low degree of nitration plasticized with camphor. It is soluble in acetone, but diethylether/ethanol is a better solvent. I don't see this being anything else than binder, stabilizer or desensibilizer for the organic peroxides/PETN. > despite scare stories, a simple google search doesn't turn up details > on how to make the stuff (neither does the Science Citation Index, > which might have been a better bet, though I imagine anyone with > access to a University library could get the information) A simple Google search should pull up dozens of links on how to make it. Don't. If you don't know how to make it, it means you can't handle it safely. Quantities of organic peroxides in novice's hands will quickly make them missing digits, or Worse. Organic peroxides are much too instable to be safely worked with, period. > And google has just told me that the husband of a colleague of mine > has published a paper on PETN - thousands of tons of which are > apparently manufactured every year and used in industry and medicine > (it is a vasodilator and cardioactive drug). So it might not be too > difficult to find that for sale. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/sci/chem-faq/part3/section-2.html See: 13.8 What is the chemical structure of common explosives? -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From otcreview at dbmaxpro.com Tue Jan 8 18:21:28 2002 From: otcreview at dbmaxpro.com (otcreview) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:21:28 -0800 Subject: Motley Fool Message-ID: <0000321e4085$00003e71$00001fc3@home.nu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 3943 bytes Desc: not available URL: From georgemw at speakeasy.net Tue Jan 8 18:21:48 2002 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:21:48 -0800 Subject: Pigeonhole principle In-Reply-To: <3C3B6453.51C97C98@lsil.com> Message-ID: <3C3B38BC.29739.1EA6936@localhost> On 8 Jan 2002, at 14:27, Michael Motyka wrote: > Here we go : > > "As Eric correctly points out, true random input simply cannot be > compressed, it doesn't matter how clever you are or how much time and > computing power you have access to." > > This is a statement of belief isn't it? Odd. > > Mike > > No, it's s statement of mathematical fact, easily understandable by anyone of average intelligence with a little thought. The piegonhole principle states that if there are N pigeonholes and M > N objects that have to be stuffed into the piegonholes, at least one of the pigeonholes will have to contain more than one object. Any compression algorithm is a mapping between files. Therefore, there CANNOT exist an algorithm which will compress all files. Because there are always twice as many bit patterns N + 1 bits long as there are bit patterns N bits long. Clear enough? If not, consider this (which Eric also mentioned in his original post): If you really had an algorithm that could compress ANY file to 1/100 its size, you could run the output data through the algorithm again and get something 1/10000 the size of the original file. Now, the philsophically inclined might point out that, although there cannot exist an algorithm which can compress all files, and that any given "compression" algorithm is highly unlikely to be able to compress a truly random file, nonetheless there are no specific files of which you can say, "this file is uncompressible", since you could always devise an algorithm specifically designed to compress that particular file (for example, by mapping it to a file of zero length and mapping all other files to themselves with an extra 0 on the ebd). To which the paractical man replies, "you're in a balloon about 20 feet off the ground". George From measl at mfn.org Tue Jan 8 16:25:33 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:25:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: Nov-L: Prosecutors rule Rainbow Farm Deaths justified (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:16:22 -0800 From: Nora Callahan To: november-l at november.org Cc: aro at drugsense.org Subject: Nov-L: Prosecutors rule Rainbow Farm Deaths justified http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/jan/07/010705072.html January 07, 2002 Prosecutor: Police Acted Properly CASSOPOLIS, Mich. (AP) - The FBI and Michigan State Police were justified when they shot and killed two men at a campground known for its advocacy of marijuana use, a prosecutor said in a report released Monday. The standoff at Rainbow Farm began Aug. 31 when Tom Crosslin, 46, skipped a court date relating to drug and weapons charges and allegedly set fire to buildings on his farm, which High Times magazine once rated one of the nation's premier marijuana-smoking spots. Cass County Sheriff's deputies arrived and surrounded the farm, and were joined later by the FBI and Michigan State Police. Three days after the standoff began and negotiations had failed, Crosslin left the farm's main house, armed with a rifle, to get food and supplies from a neighbor's farm. On his way back to his house, he spotted an agent in the woods and raised his rifle, Cass County Prosecutor Scott Teter said. Two agents fired at Crosslin, killing him. Rolland Rohm, 28, who was Crosslin's business partner, remained in the main house. The next morning, after Rohm had agreed to surrender, the main house began burning, Teter said. Thirty minutes later, Rohm ran out of the house carrying a rifle and wearing black face paint. Teter said Rohm spotted a Michigan National Guard light armored vehicle and pointed his rifle at two guardsmen. Two Michigan State Police snipers nearby in the woods fired at Rohm and killed him. In both cases, Teter said, the shooters were protecting themselves or others. The Rohm and Crosslin families said through a spokesman Monday that they rejected the findings. "We think that Teter is playing fast and loose with the truth," spokesman Bill McMaster said. "There are two unexplained homicides caused by 120 police with snipers, tanks and helicopters." -- ========= *** NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. 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To unsubscribe, visit http://www.november.org/lists/ or send a message to november-L-request at november.org containing the command "unsubscribe" From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Tue Jan 8 09:49:28 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:49:28 +0100 (MET) Subject: Prisoner on line discussion (fwd) Message-ID: -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:28:18 -0600 From: Joyce Scrivner To: silent t Subject: Prisoner on line discussion I've got video tapes (from the tv) of all the episodes and some odds and ends of other things. 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Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From measl at mfn.org Tue Jan 8 18:00:04 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:00:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: Joe Sixpacks looks at Digicash Message-ID: http://www.postget.com/get/article.php?newsid=80606 -- Yours, J.A. 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To Order Visit http://21475941104290/alex/index.html ******************************************************** * Removal Visit our site for removal from future mailings http://21475941104290/alex/index.html PS If you do not wish to see this message in the future, please reply with the subject line "remove". Thank you. From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 03:40:14 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:40:14 +1100 Subject: Seveso near St Louis.Professor Rat "concerned." Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020108223519.030446c0@pop.useoz.com> >>Not to put too fine a point on it, but why are you posting 10 year old reports. As interesting as this is, follow up reports and studies would be far more useful. Ken.<< Interpol stole my Dell,I believe they are using it to run a CoinTelPro style operation on cypherpunks.I am posting this from an internet cafe at "eMails that cross themselves in the night"...when the Ice Weasels cum all over Lance Cotrelll (If that is his *real* misspeled name...) I'd like to thank everybody for all those wonderfully supportive eMails that they wrote me--and then thought better of it and deleted them and reformatted their hard drive...3 times... "Be Flayed...Be *VERY* Flayed" ~Warden Hiritoto, FCI-Three Rivers, Texas From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 03:52:38 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:52:38 +1100 Subject: Dear Declan Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020108224054.00a3a8a0@pop.useoz.com> Do you have an opinion on the last 2 posts by Peter Trei? IE When did you stop beating your wife? (or meat,dog,etc) Four hundred billionaires now possess wealth equal to that of the 3 billion poorest people on the planet. This capitalist system is inherently violent, oppressive and exploitative. Capitalism cannot be reformed, and that's why we need to abolish it. "Liberty without socialism is privilege,injustice;socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality." Bakunin. From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 04:03:59 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:03:59 +1100 Subject: Snitches out themselves.Canarypunk stool pigeons,peter Trei a nd declanMc Crapface. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020108225424.03042290@pop.useoz.com> >>I got back to the email universe to find 440 cypherpunks postings from mattd. Much as I love Ozzy anarchists I wasn't tempted to read them. Ken<< Did you see the ones on 20/20? I haven't read them yet.Some Ozzie anarchists think I'm 'right-wing' for championing Jim Bell's APster.When the going gets weird...If you only read one make it the mattblog that ate cypherpunks...Oh and thanks for rubbing Peter traitor's and declan Mc Crapfest's (he's contributing to the security thread's even now!) names in it.We may house train them yet. We've got to fight them in America, and one of the best ways to combat your enemy is to be alert and be mindful -- be situationally aware. "We're strong as can be/A dream of power and energy/We go for the goal/Together we hold/On to our vision of global strategy..." From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 04:21:02 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:21:02 +1100 Subject: Fear and Trembling Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020108230744.00a3aeb0@pop.useoz.com> >>Why "surprisingly"? Every UK administration since 1945 has been America's poodle in foreign affairs and military matters. << Thank fuck for Philby and the rest.Eh! >>George III's rule on the American continent lasted longer than George Washington's did. The present Queen is *still* the head of state of more of the American continent than the president of the USA is (http://www.communication.gc.ca/facts/geography_e.html)<< Fear and Trembling indeed.Join M.A.M. APster a windsor! >>Ken Brown (I may be British but I'm not a bloody monarchist - though I don't mind the royals as much in places like Canada & Australia as I do here http://www.cix.co.uk/~kbrown/rotm/1999nov.htm)<< That URL gave me a 404.After 1975 you can tip your butt ends of the aristocracy off the white cliffs of ben Dover.M.A.M. "Facing an enemy which is being organized to criminalize and eradicate resistance, it's up to the revolutionaries to create permanent conditions of communication, coordination and internationalist solidarity, so as to counter repression and to promote the escalation of the struggle"http://www.mam.cy.net/ sorry try http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1793/Index.html From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 05:01:05 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:01:05 +1100 Subject: How to defeat spyware Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020108234637.00a3beb0@pop.useoz.com> >>I think those who violate the C. should be killed. --Tim May<< Best defence is attack,Laph Goch by the numbers.Look at this for a APster target. http://www.pir.org/cgi-bin/nbonlin6.cgi?_ARMITAGE_RICHARD_L I've raised 2 proffr dollars on this fat jerk already,Please indicate your support for open source Apster.Add 1. "When cryptography is outlawed only V? PS+++ PE Y+ PGP- t* 5+++ X R* tv b+ DI+ D++ G++>+++ e>++ h-- r++ y+ From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 05:11:21 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:11:21 +1100 Subject: Propaganda or Turkey. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109000935.03045010@pop.useoz.com> A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/ ________________________________________________ Dateline: ISTANBUL, Turkey Noam Chomsky, the American linguist and political dissident, has attacked a court's decision to prosecute his Turkish publisher over a book that slams Turkey's human rights record. In a letter to Istanbul-based Aram Publishing, Chomsky expressed sympathy with the firm's director Fatih Tas, who faces a one-year jail sentence if convicted on charges of conducting propaganda against the state. The trial is due to begin in February. The charges are "a very severe attack on the most elementary human and civil rights," wrote Chomsky, a professor of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Aram earlier this year published "American Interventionism," a collection of Chomsky's essays and lectures translated into Turkish. The book includes a translation of a lecture Chomsky gave at the University of Toledo, Ohio in March. In the lecture, Chomsky said the Turkish government had "launched a major war in the Southeast against the Kurdish population," and described the conflict as "one of the most severe human rights atrocities of the 1990s." Chomsky said the lecture was based on material from "the leading human rights organizations ... the most respected standard scholarship, and official U.S. government documents." In an indictment issued last week, Istanbul's State Security Court said these and other passages in the book constituted "propaganda against the indivisible unity of the nation." No charges have been filed against Chomsky himself. Turkey fought a 15-year war against Kurdish rebels demanding autonomy in the southeast. The conflict has eased since the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, announced a unilateral cease-fire in 1999, but the government rejected the cease-fire and sporadic fighting continues. About 37,000 people, mostly Kurdish rebels and civilians, have been killed as a result of the fighting since 1984. Dozens of Turkish writers and intellectuals have been jailed under strict laws that forbid criticism of the state's conduct of the war. From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 05:33:36 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:33:36 +1100 Subject: Orange Crush Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109002029.03048430@pop.useoz.com> Perth has a heavily contaminated site as well as Derby in west au.The story is ongoing and the water table in perth is said to be affected.The WA agriculture minister is calling for more information on the alleged heat damaged batch believed imported between 69-71 disguised as another chemical.Said to be 200 times worse than the now banned 245T.The EPA has been called in.http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,3553659%255E2702,00.html A lot of 'hot spots' in the bush are old sheep dips.No comment on Columbian round up? Your taxes at work could killya. From p12957 at portugalmail.com Tue Jan 8 21:38:27 2002 From: p12957 at portugalmail.com (p12957 at portugalmail.com) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:38:27 -0500 Subject: Confidential 1 Message-ID: <00007e702b3f$00007c8c$00003684@personal.ro> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 3084 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 05:47:50 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:47:50 +1100 Subject: Injecting shrub with embryonic cells "could restore brain function."Proffr. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109004437.03049860@pop.useoz.com> EMBRYONIC stem cells injected into the brain corrected the symptoms of Parkinson's disease in rats by transforming into neurons that made dopamine, a key brain chemical. In a study appearing today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, researchers at Harvard Medical School and McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts, showed in tests that in rats whose brains had been chemically damaged, embryonic stem would spontaneously convert to correct the Parkinson's symptoms. Some experts said the study was significant because it showed embryonic stem cells may be used to treat brain disorders, but they cautioned that the cells also possibly could cause tumours. Dr Ole Isacson, senior author of the study, said that if further experiments were successful, there could be human trials of the technique in about five years. Federally funded research on human embryonic stem cells is limited because producing such cells requires the death of human embryos. President George W Bush last northern summer approved some such research, but limited it to cell colonies that already exist - about 60 cell lines. Many researchers believe that embryonic stem cells hold the promise of creating new organs or cells to replace or renew ailing hearts, livers...There you go mr president! http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,3556967%255E401,00.html From bill.stewart at pobox.com Wed Jan 9 01:07:10 2002 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 01:07:10 -0800 Subject: Cypherpunks 011202 at Stanford: Anti-Terrorism & Security Policy Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20020109003515.037d9d40@idiom.com> See for subscription help and Cypherpunks meeting announcements from around the world. .......................................................................... SF Bay Area Cypherpunks January 2002 Physical Meeting Announcement GENERAL INFO: DATE: Saturday 13 October 2001 TIME: 1-5 PM (Pacific Time) PLACE: Tressider Student Union Stanford University Campus Palo Alto, California, USA Instead of our usual outdoor location, we'll be meeting inside the coffeehouse adjacent to the courtyard. AGENDA: "Our agenda is a widely-held secret." As usual, this is an Open Meeting on US Soil, and everyone's invited. [ ... it was a quiet week in Lake.Woebegone.com, what with lists.meetingpunks.org, ssz, and various havenco servers going up and down, and holiday travel and the like.] One of the main topics of discussion will be planning for March's meeting, which will be on the THIRD Saturday of the month, just before the RSA tradeshow, www.rsaconference.com , and approximately simultaneous with Codecon [ www.codecon.org , topics http://bitconjurer.org/codecon.html ] which is Bram's conference about actual running code, primarily focused on crypto and peer-to-peer applications. [ Some specifics include Peek-A-Booty, a web privacy tool which, in spite of winning Wired's Top 10 Vaporware Award for 2001, claims to be demo-ready for next month, cryptomail, Zooko talking about Mojo derivatives, and others. Known foreigners suspected to be in town include Ian Goldberg. Collateral Damage - - Sandy and friends having a party Saturday night - Party at Ian's Place Friday night ...................................................... .......................................................................... LOCATION: The Stanford meeting location will be familiar to those who've been to our outdoor summer meetings before, but for those who haven't been, it's on the Stanford University campus (in Palo Alto, California), at the end of Santa Theresa, at the tables outside Tressider Union, just west of Dinkelspiel Auditorium. We'll meet inside the coffee store adjacent to the courtyard. Food/beverages are available at the cafe and mini-market inside. Location Maps: Tressider Union (overview): http://www.stanford.edu/home/map/search_map.html?keyword=&ACADEMIC=Tresidder+Union Tressider Union (zoomed detail view): http://www.stanford.edu/home/map/stanford_zoom_map.html?234,312 Printable Stanford Map (407k). http://www.stanford.edu/home/visitors/campus_map.pdf GPS Coordinates: 37d23:40 N 122d04:49 W .......................................................................... HELP? If you get lost, or have questions, comments or last-minute agenda requests, please contact your friendly meeting organizers: Dave Del Torto Cell: +1.415.730.3583 Bill Stewart Cell: +1.415.307.7119 .......................................................................... END From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 07:00:01 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 02:00:01 +1100 Subject: Fort Detrick the US Empires Unit 731 Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109015815.0304c9f0@pop.useoz.com> http://www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/unit_731.html For forty years the grisly activities of Japan's Unit 731 and sister units, remained the best kept secret of World War two. The victorious Allies were desperate to secretly acquire the expertise and know how of the Japanese Biological Warfare research. Fulsome records of the human experimentation undertaken, were especially sought. Hindered at home by social repulsion to such activities, human experimentation data was viewed as the jewel in the crown. Scientists and medical experts from Fort Detrick, Maryland - the American top secret BW facility - raced to interview Japanese technicians. Barely one of them stopped to consider the ethical implications. Having assessed the facts, an intelligence cable coldly informed the War Department, Washington DC, that the "foregoing information warrants conclusion that Japanese BW Group, headed by Ishii did violate rules of land warfare." The message added pragmatically: "this expression of opinion is not a recommendation that group be charged and tried as such." None of those implicated in Japanese BW research were brought to trial by the Allies. From bram at bitconjurer.org Wed Jan 9 03:31:43 2002 From: bram at bitconjurer.org (Bram Cohen) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:31:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cypherpunks 011202 at Stanford: Anti-Terrorism & Security Policy In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20020109003515.037d9d40@idiom.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Bill Stewart wrote: > January 2002 Physical Meeting Announcement > > GENERAL INFO: > > DATE: Saturday 13 October 2001 That was probably meant to read '13 January 2002' Also, I believe coderpunks at toad.com is dead. -Bram From measl at mfn.org Wed Jan 9 05:17:01 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:17:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: <3C3C259F.B49E9E3B@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Ken Brown wrote: > Michael Motyka wrote: > > > > Here we go : > > > > "As Eric correctly points out, true random input simply cannot be > > compressed, it doesn't matter how clever you are or how much time and > > computing power you have access to." > > > > This is a statement of belief isn't it? Odd. > > No, it's a logical consequence of his definition of "random" & no more a > statement of belief than "1+1=2" is. If you use the word to mean > something else then it might or might not be true in your universe. So, it depends on what the definition of "is" is? ;-) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From measl at mfn.org Wed Jan 9 05:23:28 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:23:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: Dear Declan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Anonymous Coredump wrote: > mattd recently babbled incoherently: _Please_ don't feed the troll... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Wed Jan 9 05:36:10 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:36:10 -0600 Subject: Slashdot | Search for Terrestrial Intelligence - Can you break the code? Message-ID: <3C3C474A.497C3D0@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/science/02/01/08/231247.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From schear at lvcm.com Wed Jan 9 08:18:48 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:18:48 -0800 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108150816.03c5d940@pop3.lvcm.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109081130.0387c7e8@pop3.lvcm.com> At 12:06 PM 1/9/2002 +0100, Eugene Leitl wrote: >On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Steve Schear wrote: > > > combinations/permutations and auto correlations to code for the runs. I > > say attempted, because I was never able to find acceptable algorithms to > > satisfy my requirement. I still believe these algorithms exist, it was > > just my limitations in identifying the underlying math needed. > >http://www.google.com/search?q=IFS+image+compression&sourceid=opera&num=100&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 I knew the guys behind Fractal compression, but that's not what I was trying to do. They looked for a higher-level order I was just looking to take advantage of local correlations and the ability to identify identical runs in the output of deterministic generators who's references could be expressed very efficiently (e.g., correlation coefficient/seed value, displacement) compared with the data being compressed. Its a highly asymmetric approach so real-time applications were not considered. IFS eventually became practical but they came from a time when proprietary solutions were king and missed the open standards revolution which powered JPG (which while generally as good at compression was open to improvement, well studied and not chained by patents). steve From bill.stewart at pobox.com Wed Jan 9 09:41:35 2002 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 09:41:35 -0800 Subject: Cypherpunks 011202 at Stanford: Corrected - it's January 12, 2002. Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20020109093502.037c9060@idiom.com> Several people have suggested that I shouldn't edit these things when I'm not awake; sorry about that :-) See http://cryptorights.org/cypherpunks/2002/0112-SF.html for corrected announcement. Anyway, the meeting is definitely Saturday, January 12, 2002, at Stanford in the coffeehouse in Tresidder. 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With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's 100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report! # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1 = $50 + 2 = $500 + 3 = $5,000 + 4 = $50,000 + 5 = $500,000 Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY! =============================================================== REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one-fourth of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more!! There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and growing daily. Believe me, many of them will be grateful to receive these reports!! =============================================================== METHOD # 2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET =============================================================== Advertising on the net is very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet could easily get you a large response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail the send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they cannot advertise until they receive the reports they ordered. ===========AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: =============================================================== Report # 1: "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net" Order Report #1 from: Reports Service P.O. Box 221 East Windsor, CT 06088 USA _____________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net" Order Report #2 from: BEN OKEAGU 40615 HARMON DRIVE STERLING HEIGHTS, MI 48310 _________________________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: "Secret to Multilevel marketing on the net" Order Report # 3 from: J. W. Johnsen P.O. Box 323 Elkhorn, NE 68022 USA _____________________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: "How to become a millionaire utilizing MLM & the Net" Order Report # 4 from: RESOURCES MARKETING GROUP P. O. BOX 1743 TROY, MI 48099 ________________________________________________________________ REPORT #5: "How to send out One Million emails for free" Order Report # 5 From: P. Gallerani 3 Tufton St. Brunswick, Maine 04011 USA ________________________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business!!! =============================================================== FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers, you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ===================== MORE TESTIMONIALS=================== '' My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. ! I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois =============================================================== "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big''. Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada =============================================================== "I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again.....I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks''. Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. =============================================================== "It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $ 362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet''. Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand =============================================================== ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! =============================================================== If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington, D.C. GOOD LUCK! Under Bill s. 1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US Congress this letter Cannot be considered Spam as long as the sender includes contact information & a method of "removal." To be removed from future mailings just reply with REMOVE in the subject line. This is a one-time email. If you receive it more than once, please accept our apologies. It may be because you have more than one website and/or address. Thank you for your kind consideration. To be Removed from any future mailings, Reply with 'REMOVE' in SUBJECT field. From tcmay at got.net Wed Jan 9 10:21:38 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:21:38 -0800 Subject: More product announcements at SnakeOilCon, Las Vegas In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109111056.022a62b0@mail.well.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 08:12 AM, Declan McCullagh wrote: >> From: "MacGregor K. Phillips" >> To: "Top Secret Crypto Admin" >> Subject: Top Secret Crypto >> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:48:58 +0800 >> =========================================== >> Press Release by TAN$TAAFL Software Company >> =========================================== >> Contact Information: >> MacGregor K. Phillips >> President >> TAN$TAAFL Software Company >> 14 Foster St., Banicain >> Olongapo City, Philippines 2200 >> --familiar variants of the famed "virtual one time pad" elided--- Between the "can compress any file by 100:1" and the "virtual one time pads," it looks like OSEC (Organization of Snakeoil Exporting Countries) have struck snakeoil in many places. (In case anyone asks "How do you know virtual one time pads can't work?," a true one time pad a la Shannon uses shared sets of numbers which have no known algorithmic generator. If the pads can be generated from an algorithm, e.g., a seeded pseudorandom number generator, then an adversary could of course learn the algorithm and seed. With a true one time pad ("true" in the procedural sense, as no set of numbers can ever be proved to be random), any decryption is as good as any other. Meaning, the adversary can do no better than simply guessing at a solution. All of the bits in the message are XORed with bits determined by the procedural equivalent of a flip of a coin (maybe Johnson noise in a diode, maybe radioactive decay, maybe swings of a complex pendulum, maybe LSBs of a microphone listening to the wind, etc.). For Alice and Bob to share the often-large pads is of course the main limitation of one time pads. Military and diplomatic users can justify the housekeeping effort to share such pads. Even so, sometimes people start reusing pads, which means they are no longer "one time." And schemers think they can get the theoretical advantages of OTPs by generating the "virtual" OTP from an algorithm and a shared seed/key. Hence the production of snakeoil by OSEC. --Tim May --Tim May, Citizen-unit of of the once free United States " The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. "--Thomas Jefferson, 1787 From mmotyka at lsil.com Wed Jan 9 09:24:24 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:24:24 -0700 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) Message-ID: <3C3C7CC8.ADDE2D85@lsil.com> Ken Brown wrote : > >Michael Motyka wrote: >> Here we go : >> >> "As Eric correctly points out, true random input simply cannot be >> compressed, it doesn't matter how clever you are or how much time and >> computing power you have access to." >> >> This is a statement of belief isn't it? Odd. > >No, it's a logical consequence of his definition of "random" & no more a >statement of belief than "1+1=2" is. If you use the word to mean >something else then it might or might not be true in your universe. > >Ken > Perhaps my universe is off in all six degrees but answer this - which is it : random data cannot be compressed or random data may include recognizable and even repeating patterns A string of random data may include anything. Compressibility will vary with the particular data and the algorithm used. Lucky with one input set, unlucky with another. I wouldn't try to base a business on getting lucky with the customer's input data but the absolute statement of incompressibility is wrong unless you preselect your data sets. Then they're no longer random and the definition of random becomes circular. Mike From tcmay at got.net Wed Jan 9 10:40:43 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:40:43 -0800 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: <3C3BB522.EDCDA811@mozcom.com> Message-ID: <63537927-0530-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 07:12 PM, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > I think they may be referring to a random string of _ASCII characters_. > That would be subject to compression because it is not random at the bit > level. > > But 100:1? I have no idea how to achieve that. The entropy of ordinary written English is about 2.2 bits per character. (Meaning, of course, that each new character contributes not much "surprise," i.e., is somewhat predictable. Entropies of various sources can be experimentally measured.) Others, particularly Eric Cordian, have already written at length on this claim of "100:1 compression of any file." Steve Smale at Berkeley is a famous and respected mathematician. He may be unaware of these claims, he may be senile, he may have worked on some small (no pun intended) aspect as a paid consultant, or the actual compression may be lossy and oriented toward replacing JPEG with a better lossy algorith (as Iterated Systems, IIRC, has been doing with fractal compression). The pigeonhole principle is not just a "theory," it's the _law_. You can't stuff distinct 64 things into 32 boxes without a lot of them being put into the same box. Which means reversing (decompressing) to the original won't work. The Chaitin-Kolmogorov view of algorithmic information theory is the best model we have. By the way, for all of you who struggled to understand Godel's Theorem expressed in the "logic" formulation that Godel first used--and that was the basis of Newman's fairly popular exposition--there are very understandable formulations of Godel's Theorem in terms of information theory and compressibility. Chaitin has a very clean one (no Kleene pun intended). Rudy Rucker does a good job of explaining it in "Mind Tools." Chaitin also has some good books and articles, though some of them jump too quickly into stuff like computing Omega...his "Scientific American"-level articles on the foundations of mathematics are better places to start...included in some of his books. --Tim May "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship." --Alexander Fraser Tyler From mmotyka at lsil.com Wed Jan 9 09:57:08 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:57:08 -0700 Subject: More product announcements at SnakeOilCon, Las Vegas Message-ID: <3C3C8474.75FFE931@lsil.com> This OTP thing resurfaces roughly once per year without fail doesn't it? From reports2431 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 08:05:14 2002 From: reports2431 at hotmail.com (Reports) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:05:14 -0500 Subject: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: MAKE OVER $500,000 EVERY 20 WEEKS!! Message-ID: <200201091617.KAA04088@einstein.ssz.com> Dear Friend: The first time I received this in my e-mail I deleted it! And later wished I had it back! I had to wait months before someone E-mailed me again with this offer! I always thought I would wait until later to try this. I wish I had done it sooner now! Don't do what I did! Make Sure you Go For It! I personally thought that this would not work! But just like many of you, I was involved in MLM marketing, which in most cases did not work! I was spending from $20 to $200 a month on FFA pages and other things to get leads to market my product. Unfortunately, as I'm sure many of you have no doubt noticed, most people who post to theses pages are like you and I. They have a product to sell! They're not there to BUY! So most of us end up spinning our wheels and getting NO WHERE! SO I thought when I came across this E-Mail... HECK, What did I have to lose? It was a lot less money than what I had been spending, and it was only $25.00. I thought even if it did not work, I have already lost a lot more money than that from other MLM and scams on the net, what was another $25.00? And I did see this on T.V. So I gave it a shot. AND BOY I AM GLAD I DID!!!! The first month only a few hundred came in, but the following month I could not believe it the response! It really worked!!! So now I am going to run it one more time! And I Am sure it will be just as good as the first time! That is what is nice about this program...you can start over and over again once you're off the 5th level. If you're A GOOD HONEST PERSON IT WILL WORK FOR YOU TOO!! GO FOR IT! MAKE YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE! AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for A one-time investment of only $25 U.S.!! Before you say ''BULL'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can -follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''! =============================================================== This is what one participant had to say: '' Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in''. Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. =============================================================== Here is another testimonial: ''' This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and whalaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first: ===== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ======== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THESE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE.GUARANTEED! =====ORDER ALL 5 REPORTS SHOWN ON THE LIST BELOW ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. =============================================================== When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in steps '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. REMEMBER, HONESTY REAPS THE REWARD!!! 1. After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2. Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3. Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4. Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5. Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6. Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! =============================================================== Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: =============================================================== METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY =============================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's 100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report! # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1 = $50 + 2 = $500 + 3 = $5,000 + 4 = $50,000 + 5 = $500,000 Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY! =============================================================== REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one-fourth of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more!! There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and growing daily. Believe me, many of them will be grateful to receive these reports!! =============================================================== METHOD # 2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET =============================================================== Advertising on the net is very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet could easily get you a large response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail the send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they cannot advertise until they receive the reports they ordered. ===========AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: =============================================================== Report # 1: "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net" Order Report #1 from: Reports Service P.O. Box 221 East Windsor, CT 06088 USA _____________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net" Order Report #2 from: BEN OKEAGU 40615 HARMON DRIVE STERLING HEIGHTS, MI 48310 _________________________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: "Secret to Multilevel marketing on the net" Order Report # 3 from: J. W. Johnsen P.O. Box 323 Elkhorn, NE 68022 USA _____________________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: "How to become a millionaire utilizing MLM & the Net" Order Report # 4 from: RESOURCES MARKETING GROUP P. O. BOX 1743 TROY, MI 48099 ________________________________________________________________ REPORT #5: "How to send out One Million emails for free" Order Report # 5 From: P. Gallerani 3 Tufton St. Brunswick, Maine 04011 USA ________________________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business!!! =============================================================== FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers, you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ===================== MORE TESTIMONIALS=================== '' My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. ! I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois =============================================================== "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big''. Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada =============================================================== "I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again.....I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks''. Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. =============================================================== "It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $ 362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet''. 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From declan at well.com Wed Jan 9 08:12:31 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:12:31 -0500 Subject: Unbreakable "top secret crypto," pseudo-random, one-time-pad Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109111056.022a62b0@mail.well.com> >From: "MacGregor K. Phillips" >To: "Top Secret Crypto Admin" >Subject: Top Secret Crypto >Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:48:58 +0800 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > >=========================================== >Press Release by TAN$TAAFL Software Company >=========================================== >Contact Information: >MacGregor K. 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As long as the NSA cannot >break the RSA Public Key Encryption System, these key sizes should be >sufficient. I recommend a public key size of at least 4,096 bits. If you >have a fast computer, use 8,192 bits. This should ensure adequate security >for the foreseeable future. > >The advantages of using a randomly produced session key encrypted within a >RSA Encrypted Integer are (1) you can send an encrypted file to one or >multiple recipients at the same time and (2) no extra material, such as a >True One Time Pad File or One Time Pad Key File, is required to be >exchanged between the sender and recipient. > >The only disadvantage is if someone ever figures out a fast method of >factoring large integers into their prime components. 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No >one can decrypt a file encrypted with a True One Time Pad File unless they >steal a copy of the True One Time Pad File. > >The disadvantages are (1) you can only send an encrypted file to one >recipient at a time, and (2) the sender and recipient must have a secure >method of exchanging True One Time Pad Files. > >Top Secret Crypto is particularly suited to businesses, (i.e. auditors, >newspaper reporters, agents, buyers, troubleshooters, etc.) where the True >One Time Pad Files, or One Time Pad Key Files, can be created in house for >use by individuals when they go out into the field to conduct their work. >They can then send back encrypted reports that are 100% secure from the >preying eyes of any government's intelligence agencies, here or abroad. > >Most individuals will find Method 1, a randomly produced session key >encrypted within a RSA Encrypted Integer, more convenient. After >exchanging Public Keys they can immediately start sending encrypted e-mail >and files. > >To download your trial version of Top Secret Crypto, visit our web site at >http://www.topsecretcrypto.com. From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Wed Jan 9 03:12:32 2002 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:12:32 +0000 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) References: <3C3B6453.51C97C98@lsil.com> Message-ID: <3C3C259F.B49E9E3B@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Michael Motyka wrote: > Here we go : > > "As Eric correctly points out, true random input simply cannot be > compressed, it doesn't matter how clever you are or how much time and > computing power you have access to." > > This is a statement of belief isn't it? Odd. No, it's a logical consequence of his definition of "random" & no more a statement of belief than "1+1=2" is. If you use the word to mean something else then it might or might not be true in your universe. Ken From piolenc at mozcom.com Tue Jan 8 19:12:34 2002 From: piolenc at mozcom.com (F. Marc de Piolenc) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:12:34 +0800 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) References: <3C3B6453.51C97C98@lsil.com> <20020108174606.B27692@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <3C3BB522.EDCDA811@mozcom.com> I think they may be referring to a random string of _ASCII characters_. That would be subject to compression because it is not random at the bit level. But 100:1? I have no idea how to achieve that. Marc de Piolenc Declan McCullagh wrote: > > What exactly is random data? Does it have to appear to be random? Does > > it have to pass some set of statistical tests to be random? If a string > > I'm naturally skeptical of this claim (until I can verify it for > myself), but I do not believe the claim is "we can encode random data > at 100:1." They seem to be talking about 100:1 lossless compression > of real-world data, which is generally not random. > > -DEclan -- Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776 Rather than make war on the American people and their liberties, ...Congress should be looking for ways to empower them to protect themselves when warranted. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin From mv at cdc.gov Wed Jan 9 11:21:57 2002 From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret)) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:21:57 -0800 Subject: OTP, flammability of silk Message-ID: <3C3C9855.5E89D53B@cdc.gov> > Even so, sometimes people >start reusing pads, which means they are no longer "one time." Ergo Leo Marks' insisting that the silk pages of his OTPs be burned after use. (The other reason being 'forward secrecy' if the used page were found.) From mv at cdc.gov Wed Jan 9 11:31:36 2002 From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret)) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:31:36 -0800 Subject: Burning down the olympics Message-ID: <3C3C9A98.A6DD3B3@cdc.gov> Tuesday January 08 09:52 PM EST http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/abc/20020108/ts/olympicprotesters020108_1.html Olympics Officials Keep Eyes on Protesters By Geraldine Sealey ABCNEWS.com Security plan for terrorists  and protesters. Security for the Salt Lake City Olympics, with a price tag exceeding $300 million, was a top priority even before Sept. 11. But international terrorism isn't the only threat: Officials are bracing for a potential record number of protesters and that some might take advantage of the world stage to make mayhem. While Olympics and city officials say they have no evidence of unruly demonstrations planned for the 17-day Games set to begin on Feb. 8, they are preparing for them. About 1 million visitors from around the world are expected to descend on the city next month along with an undetermined number of demonstrators. One official strategy for controlling demonstrations seems to be accommodating peaceful protesters as much as possible. So many demonstrators want to come to Salt Lake City to support their causes that officials are providing demonstrators seven official protest zones  believed to be a first for the Games. The city is also issuing official permits for groups that want to protest in Salt Lake City during the games. By providing safe zones where demonstrators can exercise their free speech rights, city and Olympic officials are hoping to prevent the kind of violent and disorderly protests that have marred such recent international events as the 1999 World Trade Organization (news - web sites) meetings in Seattle or last year's G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Mapping out protest zones and certifying legitimate Olympic demonstrators is helping the Games organizers keep tabs on who is showing up, officials say. The organizers clearly have learned lessons from recent violent demonstrations. They're also tuned in to radical environmental and animal rights activists, active in Utah, who have turned to violence in recent years to spread their message. "The demonstrations that have gotten out of hand like at the WTO seem to be a fairly recent phenomenon that we want to be prepared for," said Josh Ewing, a spokesman for Salt Lake City. Not All Protesters Created Equal In the new era of globally organized protesters and violence-prone anarchists, not all protesters are created equal. The protest groups who have signed up for permits to set up camp near the Olympic events are peaceful groups and are not expected to incite unrest. "[Games planners] are preparing for the worst, but animal rights have the intention of organizing non-violent protests," said Sean Diener, director of the Utah Animal Rights Coalition, which is helping to organize protests against the Olympics-sponsored Rodeo. "We have no expectation for anything to turn out like the things in Genoa or Seattle. There will be non-violent but effective protests," he said. As of late last week, 10 groups had received official protest permits from the city, including homeless activists, supporters of the banned Chinese spiritual sect Falun Gong (news - web sites), disabled rights advocates, and a church group critical of gay rights. Even though Olympics protests so far are expected to be peaceful, security officials are concerned that demonstrators interested in violence or general lawlessness could infiltrate those protesters who are coordinating their efforts with the city and Olympic officials. Officials have investigated the Web site of a group called Build Underground Resistance Not the Olympics, which claims to be devoted to agitating and educating demonstrators for the Games. The site reads: "BURN the Olympics has been initiated by radicals who are not resigned to sit back and watch our city turn into a playground for the rich. We plan on using our diverse skills and tactics to tackle the multinational death machine that is killing the planet." BURN says the Olympics are too corporate, too money-driven, advance globalization and nationalism, and ruin the environment. Another group, Citizens Activist Network, is also opposed to the Olympics on similar grounds, but has signed up for a legal permit to protest in an official zone, where BURN has not. A spokeswoman for BURN, who only goes by the name of "Sabrina," said her group would not apply for a permit because by doing so, "we would be recognizing the authority of the state to grant or deny freedom of speech." Intelligence Operation Against Anarchist Infiltration Further, she said, many globalization protesters would likely demonstrate at a meeting of G8 finance ministers scheduled for Feb. 8 and 9 in Ottawa, and so turnout among globalization protesters is not likely to be comparable at the Olympics as at other international events. It is difficult to tell how many demonstrators the BURN group legitimately represents. Salt Lake City officials believe the BURN site might only be run by the spokeswoman, with no extensive organization backing it. But still, officials are preparing for anything. To head off violent protests, law enforcement agencies have conducted years-long intelligence operations in an attempt to figure out whether potentially disruptive groups are headed to Salt Lake City. The security effort also will include handing our educational pamphlets to protesters with permits to warn them about the possibility that radical activists who would incite violence could infiltrate their ranks. While officials are doing everything in their power to allow demonstrators to have a voice during the Games, "People have been oblivious to other people infiltrating them and it's gotten nasty," Ewing said. Olympics planners will warn demonstrators that if police ask them to disperse for any reason and they do not, protesters will be arrested. Hoping for Crowd Control Stephen Clark, legal director of the Utah chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites), said he hopes security officials have learned how to control crowds more efficiently after past clashes with demonstrators got ugly. "There seems to have been two models: Seattle, where there seemed to be a total lack of preparation, and then the other extreme is the Republican convention in Philadelphia in 2000," he said, "where police seemed to apply a program of preventive detention by rounding up usual suspects and placing them in jail with million-dollar bails so people couldn't cause chaos for the convention. "I hope the organizers have appropriately planned for spontaneous protests, or even people who might want to cause mischief, and not overreact." The threat of violence at the Olympics is not a new phenomenon, of course. At the 1996 Atlanta Games, the bombing in Centennial Park killed 1 and injured 111, reminding Olympic organizers how vulnerable the Games could be. Terrorism also struck the Olympics in Munich in 1972 when 11 Israeli athletes were killed by Palestinian gunmen. From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Wed Jan 9 03:50:07 2002 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:50:07 +0000 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) References: <200201082330.g08NUm509201@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: <3C3C2E6F.3E37002E@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Eric Cordian wrote: > > Declan opines: > > > I'm naturally skeptical of this claim (until I can verify it for > > myself), but I do not believe the claim is "we can encode random data > > at 100:1." > > >From the article: > > "ZeoSync said its scientific team had succeeded on a small scale in > compressing random information sequences in such a way as to allow the > same data to be compressed more than 100 times over -- with no data > loss." > > Now of course it's possible they were horribly misquoted. Still, it is > worrisome that so many people quoted in the article think such algorithmic > gymnastics are mathematically possible. The overpowering stench of snake oil pervades the ether I particularly liked: "The techniques described by ZeoSync would mark a break with the dozens of existing compression technologies, including MPEG for video and music and JPEG for pictures and graphics are able to compact data at compression rates up to 10 times the original. These algorithms typically work by eliminating long strings of identifiable bits of data such as blue sky, green grass or the white background of a snow-covered landscape." Which sounds like someone who doesn't know what they are talking about being misreported by someone who doesn't understand (*) "ZeoSync said its scientific team had succeeded on a small scale" "The company's claims, which are yet to be demonstrated in any public forum" "ZeoSync, whose Web site can be located at http://www.zeosync.com/" "Among the scientific team working with ZeoSync is Steve Smale, one of America's most renowned mathematicians. Smale is an emeritus professor at the University of California at Berkeley and the 1966 winner of the Fields Prize, the Nobel Prize for researchers in this field. He could not be reached for comment on his role in the project." I bet. Ken Brown (*) clue for those who have too much of a life to bother with things like file structures and encoding (though why would they be reading cypherpunks?) - JPEG is a lossy compression method that tries to recode "real world" pictures in a way that *looks* almost as good as the real thing but takes up less space, by smoothing out gradual changes of colour (and other stuff as well). It doesn't "typically work by eliminating long strings of identifiable bits of data". And it doesn't compress "up to 10 times", it compresses as much as you like, with a trade-off between file size and image quality. MPEG, AFAIK, is similar. From sunder at sunder.net Wed Jan 9 08:57:39 2002 From: sunder at sunder.net (Sunder) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:57:39 -0500 (est) Subject: Hackers Targeting Home Computers (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is sooooo 1999... I've seen port scans as soon as cable modems and dsl lines started to be installed. Of course soon as some dork didn't have a firewall, you really had a "network neighborhood" to play with. What pissed me off is that when I was using Concentric's DSL (XO now) Windows boxes somehow did broadcasts that strangely enough made it past the routers (not sure if they're multicasts or what) and advertised themselves... At first I though these were the usual nmap/strobe attacks, but they were just on port 139... so that got me curious enough to try and connect to these boxes. To my surprise they were full blown windows 9x and 2000 machines in homes where the owner had another machine and shared his/her local drives with the world! Anyone from anywhere on the planet could mount their drives. So I was nice enough to leave a note on their desktop informing them of the consequences of their actions. I doubt that I was the only one who noticed such open hosts, and I'd guess a lot of these were "owned" pretty quickly... Oy! Of course these days I refrain from even such cursive curiosities due to the misinterpretation of these acts by our overzealous friends. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_ at _sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Jim Choate wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:10:28 -0500 > From: "R. A. Hettinga" > To: Digital Bearer Settlement List , > cryptography at wasabisystems.com, dcsb at ai.mit.edu > Subject: Hackers Targeting Home Computers > > http://interactive.wsj.com/archive/retrieve.cgi?id=SB1010104082304162760.djm&template=printing.tmpl > > > > January 3, 2002 > > Tech Center > > Home Computers Are Becoming > More Common Target for Hackers > > Associated Press > > > WASHINGTON -- Computer hackers, once satisfied to test their skills on > large companies, are turning their sights to home computers that are > faster, more powerful and less secure than ever before. > > The hackers can steal your identity, destroy your data or use your computer > to launch attacks on Web sites or your friends. > > "Home machines weren't very interesting targets a few years ago," said > Mikko Hypponen of antivirus company F-Secure in Finland. "That's all > changed now." > > Experts attribute the threat to several factors: > > * Many home computers are now as powerful as business computers, with > enough memory and processing power to make them alluring staging areas for > wide-scale Internet attacks that affect other computers. > > > > > * A growing number are connected directly to the Internet through > high-speed DSL and cable lines that remain open all the time. Computers > that are left on around the clock are vulnerable. > > > > > * Unlike businesses with permanent security staff, most home users are > slow to secure their computers with the latest antivirus and firewall > software and to plug security holes by downloading the necessary fixes from > software makers such as Microsoft Corp. > > > > > * Many home users are unaware of Internet threats and are too willing to > click on unsolicited e-mails that might be infected with malicious programs. > > > "Home users have generally been the least prepared to defend against > attacks," Carnegie Mellon University's Computer Emergency Response Team > Coordination Center warns. "In many cases, these machines are then used by > intruders to launch attacks against other organizations." > > Internet analyst firm Jupiter Media Metrix estimated that 71.2 million > American households had personal computers in 2001, almost three-quarters > of the nation's households, and 61.2 million had Internet access. > > Viruses and worms -- which are viruses that don't need human intervention > to multiply -- make up a large part of the new threats to home computers. > In the past year, users' computers have been infected with malicious > programs with catchy names like Code Red, Nimda, SirCam, Anna Kournikova > and others that could be spread through e-mail or by surfing the Internet. > > Antivirus firm Message Labs reported that it detected one virus per 370 > e-mails in 2001, double the rate of the previous year. > > The potential damage from hackers is also growing. > > Several years ago, virus writers were content to simply destroy data on a > computer. Now they can imbed malicious programs that spy on users or steal > their identity, use personal computers to attack other systems and use an > e-mail address book to unwittingly infect the computers of people's > correspondents. > > Even the most savvy users have been victimized. An FBI cybercrime > researcher's computer infected with the SirCam program sent out official > documents that spread the virus -- to the bureau's embarrassment. > > The federal government is trying to better educate and insulate home users, > hoping it will slow the spread of Internet viruses or worms that could slow > the entire Internet and its e-commerce. > > The outbreak of the Code Red Internet worm last summer sparked an > unprecedented show of force from government and private industry. > > "We've never seen a virus before that would not affect end-user machines at > all; it just jumped from one Web server to another," Mr. Hypponen said. "It > really made Code Red more like a weapon than anything else." > > Although home computers were not affected, the message government and > private security experts want home users to take from that threat is that > computer maintenance needs to become as routine as locking your house and > car. > > Home users need to routinely update their antivirus and Internet firewall > software against the latest threats and check for software fixes that > software makers provide for free. > > "If you've got a system out on the Net and it's not patched, there's a very > high degree of likelihood that literally in a matter of hours you'll be > popped," warned Amit Yoran of computer security firm Riptech. > > New technologies will be at risk to hacking this year, Mr. Yoran cautioned. > Wireless networking, which is now so cheap and easy to use that consumer > models are growing popular, is especially vulnerable. > > "The standard itself is insecure," Mr. Yoran said. In a large-scale test of > urban wireless networks done by Riptech, experts couldn't find a corporate > network they couldn't break into. > > "What we're faced with is widespread adoption [of wireless networks] > throughout corporate America and throughout consumer markets and people > haven't really thought through how to protect," he said. > > With more and faster computers on the horizon and no sign of hackers giving > up their pursuits, home users will have to take security more seriously. > > "They think if they don't have any secrets, they aren't a target," Mr. > Hypponen said. "But it's not like that at all." > Copyright ) 2002 Associated Press > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > URL for this Article: > http://interactive.wsj.com/archive/retrieve.cgi?id=SB1010104082304162760.djm > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Copyright ) 2002 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. 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Hettinga > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Cryptography Mailing List > Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com > From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Wed Jan 9 03:06:29 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:06:29 +0100 (MET) Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108150816.03c5d940@pop3.lvcm.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Steve Schear wrote: > combinations/permutations and auto correlations to code for the runs. I > say attempted, because I was never able to find acceptable algorithms to > satisfy my requirement. I still believe these algorithms exist, it was > just my limitations in identifying the underlying math needed. http://www.google.com/search?q=IFS+image+compression&sourceid=opera&num=100&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 From georgemw at speakeasy.net Wed Jan 9 12:17:32 2002 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:17:32 -0800 Subject: Godel's Theorem In-Reply-To: <63537927-0530-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> References: <3C3BB522.EDCDA811@mozcom.com> Message-ID: <3C3C34DC.17083.B4243B@localhost> On 9 Jan 2002, at 10:40, Tim May wrote: > By the way, for all of you who struggled to understand Godel's Theorem > expressed in the "logic" formulation that Godel first used--and that was > the basis of Newman's fairly popular exposition--there are very > understandable formulations of Godel's Theorem in terms of information > theory and compressibility. Chaitin has a very clean one (no Kleene pun > intended). Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but it seems to me that Godel's theorem follows trivilaly once you've heard of Cantor's diagonal slash. As I understand it, Godel's theorem says in essence that in any system complex enough to include the irrational numbers there must be statements which are true in that system but which cannot be proven in that sytem. But since there are uncountably many irrational numbers, there are uncountably many statements of the form A=A which are true but which cannot be expressed with a finite number of symbols. George > --Tim May George From mv at cdc.gov Wed Jan 9 12:38:53 2002 From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret)) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:38:53 -0800 Subject: Hackers Targeting Home Computers (fwd) Message-ID: <3C3CAA5D.456C544D@cdc.gov> Quoth Sunder: >>At first I though these were the usual nmap/strobe attacks, but they were just on port 139... so that got me curious enough to try and connect to these boxes. To my surprise they were full blown windows 9x and 2000 machines in homes where the owner had another machine and shared his/her local drives with the world! Anyone from anywhere on the planet could mount their drives. So I was nice enough to leave a note on their desktop informing them of the consequences of their actions.<< Nowadays that could get you busted for pointing out the emperor's nudity. Windows share sniffing, if your transport hasn't blocked 139, is great adventure. There is/was a Windows Sharesniffer GUI which automated this. The tool would look up netblocks by name via ARIN, ping the range of IPs, then try to connect on 139. If possible, it would run (apparently via a "system" command, "explorer /r,\\12.34.56.78" which opens the Windows share browser (aka Windows file explorer)). About half the shares had passwords, half didn't, many printers too. The occasional social security number could be found. The sharesniffer.com app also had the ability to post and download info about shares on usenet newsgroups. Port 80, port 139, whatever. Ports is ports, unless they're sherry. From georgemw at speakeasy.net Wed Jan 9 12:43:49 2002 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:43:49 -0800 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: <3C3C7CC8.ADDE2D85@lsil.com> Message-ID: <3C3C3B05.22331.CC35E7@localhost> On 9 Jan 2002, at 10:24, Michael Motyka wrote: > Perhaps my universe is off in all six degrees but answer this - which is > it : > > random data cannot be compressed > > or > > random data may include recognizable and even repeating patterns > Both. I'll try this one last time and then give up on you. Any algorithm which maps files onto files will be AT LEAST as likely to increase the size of files as to decrease their size if fed random data. Further, the chance of being able to significantly decrease the size of a file derived from a random source with any given algorithm is vanishingly small (since there are 256 tomes as many N byte files as there are N - 1 byte files, the odds of a random file being compressible by a single byte by a given algorithm can't be any better than 1 in 256. The odds of being able to compress it by two bytes ae even worse). > A string of random data may include anything. Compressibility will vary > with the particular data and the algorithm used. Lucky with one input > set, unlucky with another. No. Unlucky with virtually all of them. There aren't words to describe how unlikely it is that a 1 megabyte file of random data could be compressed by a factor of 100 by any given algorithm. It's not like winning the lottery. It's not even like winning the lottery 100 times in a row. We're talking vastly improbable. > I wouldn't try to base a business on getting > lucky with the customer's input data but the absolute statement of > incompressibility is wrong unless you preselect your data sets. Then > they're no longer random and the definition of random becomes circular. > > Mike George > > From mv at cdc.gov Wed Jan 9 12:49:14 2002 From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret)) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:49:14 -0800 Subject: Dreamworks/Pixar/CIA does bin Laden right this time Message-ID: <3C3CACCA.6D21C7AE@cdc.gov> http://www.megastories.com/attack/aip/02jan03/wahdat020103.shtml Thursday 3 January 2002 ISLAMABAD (Wahdat): The deputy chief of Afghan intelligence, Abdullah Tauhidi, has claimed that intelligence officials have acquired a number of new videotapes of Osama bin Laden and his associates in the al-Qaeda network. The videotapes show clearer camera work, which could be far better proof for a court of law to put the most wanted man on trial in connection with the September 11 terrorist attacks, he said in an interview. The videotapes pictured bin Laden and other members of his network planning terrorist activities around the globe. Unlike previous tapes obtained by the US, the new tapes are very clear in picture and voice. This will help to clear up continuing doubts about the authenticity of the videotapes that have earlier been obtained and made public. He said that these tapes would be put on public display after a thorough investigation by the authorities concerned. We are happy with the remarkable achievement made by the country's intelligence in a very short time, which started functioning after the recent fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan, he said. From piolenc at mozcom.com Tue Jan 8 20:50:44 2002 From: piolenc at mozcom.com (F. Marc de Piolenc) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:50:44 +0800 Subject: Shoe bomb (fwd) References: <010c01c19832$0b940000$5600a8c0@mark> Message-ID: <3C3BCC24.D0948DE2@mozcom.com> It will work - provided that you provide a trained anesthetist for every four or so passengers. There's no such thing as a safe, stable anesthetic. Marc de Piolenc Marcel Popescu wrote: > > > The following article is pretty unsettling, in that it makes the case that > > - the technique is carefully thought out, and > > - there will be more of these attacks, and > > - there aren't good ways to stop them. > > Sleeping gas. Once the plane starts, fill the airplane with something that > causes sleep. (Make sure the pilots are isolated, of course). Lots of > savings - you don't need stewardesses, you don't need food or drinks... > > Mark -- Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776 Rather than make war on the American people and their liberties, ...Congress should be looking for ways to empower them to protect themselves when warranted. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin From piolenc at mozcom.com Tue Jan 8 21:19:20 2002 From: piolenc at mozcom.com (F. Marc de Piolenc) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:19:20 +0800 Subject: End of the IRS?? References: Message-ID: <3C3BD2D8.F43F762@mozcom.com> Hey folks - you need to keep in mind that the "not ratified" argument is not what will be discussed, and for obvious reasons. The IRS is not competent to comment on whether their marching orders were or were not properly ratified by the People. It is the actual content of their statutory authority that is in question. What WILL be discussed is the simple fact that, to make the current internal revenue code constitutional (two previous attempts having been overturned by the courts), those framing it simply omitted to require people to do any action that government had no authority to require. Instead, taxes are collected from multitudes who don't owe them by suckering them into "voluntary" self-assessment. Once they have declared themselves "taxpayers" - usually by declaring themselves "US citizens" (federal subjects who have no Constitutional or Common Law protection) on an SSN application - the courts use tricks of equity contract law (which apparently doesn't require knowing consent) to force them to file information returns and pay tax. Various strategies for undoing the damage have been tried with varying degrees of success. Irwin Schiff is the most successful of the strategists, having successfully practiced what he preaches for decades. The best strategy for most individuals is not to rely on courts (staffed by beneficiaries of the fraudulent tax), but simply to drop out of the system. Nobody pays any attention to notices of SSN revocation, but if you simply stop using the one assigned you - that does work. Few employers have the courage to refuse an IRS Notice of Levy, however obviously illegal it is - so employ yourself. And so on. As time passes, Atlas shrugs; the smartest and most productive get out first, leaving sheeple as both beneficiaries and sole contributors to the fraudulent system that they inhabit. It has been happening in my lifetime: people who, forty years ago, would have had no choice but corporate employment with all the liabilities that implies, now would not consider working for anyone but themselves. Hang 'em high? Why bother. Make 'em ineffectual! Marc de Piolenc Petro wrote: > > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 09:00 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > I've never quite understood how the > > amendment-not-ratified-properly-in-1913 > > argument is supposed to play out. From mixmaster at remailer.segfault.net Wed Jan 9 05:10:13 2002 From: mixmaster at remailer.segfault.net (Anonymous Coredump) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:10:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: Dear Declan Message-ID: mattd recently babbled incoherently: "Liberty without socialism is privilege,injustice; socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality." Bakunin. Another dead russian. Why not Stalin? "One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic." Still trying to define anarchy by your own anti-social agenda, eh matt? "Let's all be anarchists, just like me!" -- mattd twit. From tcmay at got.net Wed Jan 9 14:17:22 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:17:22 -0800 Subject: Godel's Theorem In-Reply-To: <146201c19950$6dd00fb0$5600a8c0@mark> Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 12:58 PM, Marcel Popescu wrote: > From: > >> Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but it seems to me that Godel's >> theorem follows trivilaly once you've heard of Cantor's >> diagonal slash. As I understand it, Godel's theorem says >> in essence that in any system complex enough to include the >> irrational numbers there must be statements which are true in that >> system but which cannot be proven in that sytem. But since >> there are uncountably many irrational numbers, >> there are uncountably many statements of the form >> A=A which are true but which cannot be expressed with a finite >> number of symbols. > > I think you're oversimplifying. The theorem doesn't say "there are > statements which can't be written", but "there are statements > (implicitly > writeable) which can't be proven". > What Godel spent most of his proof doing was formalizing "statements" and what it means to write them. The "hand-waving version" of Godel's proof is related to Cantor's diagonalization proof, but didn't fall out of it trivially. --Tim May "Dogs can't conceive of a group of cats without an alpha cat." --David Honig, on the Cypherpunks list, 2001-11 From tcmay at got.net Wed Jan 9 14:39:32 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:39:32 -0800 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: <3C3C7CC8.ADDE2D85@lsil.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 09:24 AM, Michael Motyka wrote: > Ken Brown wrote : >> >> Michael Motyka wrote: >>> Here we go : >>> >>> "As Eric correctly points out, true random input simply cannot be >>> compressed, it doesn't matter how clever you are or how much time and >>> computing power you have access to." >>> >>> This is a statement of belief isn't it? Odd. >> >> No, it's a logical consequence of his definition of "random" & no >> more a >> statement of belief than "1+1=2" is. If you use the word to mean >> something else then it might or might not be true in your universe. >> >> Ken >> > Perhaps my universe is off in all six degrees but answer this - which is > it : > > random data cannot be compressed First, there is no such thing as "a set of random data" (which is what I take you to mean by "random data"). There are operational definitions of "a set of data generated by a process which appears to be random." Clicks of a Geiger counter, thermal noise from a reverse-biased diode, etc. (If my words "appear to be generated" are weaselly, it's the nature of the beast. It is generally not possible to either prove that a source _is_ random or that a set of data are random.) Of strings which we would all call random, of length N, the majority of them have no description shorter than themselves. > > or > > random data may include recognizable and even repeating patterns Of course any particular string will have clumps and small patterns, etc. This doesn't make them compressible, however. Run-length encoding on a "random" data set or string doesn't yield any compression, on average. (For a different slant on why this is so, intuitively, it's related to why strategies for "doubling up on winning bets" fail. Theory of martingales.) > > A string of random data may include anything. Compressibility will vary > with the particular data and the algorithm used. Lucky with one input > set, unlucky with another. I wouldn't try to base a business on getting > lucky with the customer's input data but the absolute statement of > incompressibility is wrong unless you preselect your data sets. Then > they're no longer random and the definition of random becomes circular. You are missing the big picture. About 1 / 1^(N-1) bit strings of length N will have descriptions shorter than the bit string. The rest will actually require longer descriptions, counting the necessary dictionary. As N approaches infinity, essentially a vanishingly small fraction percentage of the bit strings have short descriptions. This makes sense for a number of reasons, once you start thinking about it. Definition: Tim's Magic Number: 1 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 01 1 0 0 So I present you with the number : 1 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 01 1 0 0 and ask you to compress it. You look at it, recognize it as Tim's Magic Number, and proudly announce that it has a very concise (short) description: TMN. For why this will in general not work, and how this relates to intelligence tests (multiple good answers to "What is this pattern?" questions), and Berry's Paradox, these are all related to issues of randomness. I'm sorry, but I just can't write a chapter of a book on randomness, laying out all the basics. Even a tutorial on randomness has no shorter description than itself. There are a bunch of Web pages. Keywords being: randomness, bit string complexity, algorithmic information theory, Kolmogorov, Solomonoff, Chaitin, etc. There's a recent book devoted entirely to an introduction to randomness. Called "Randomness." John Casti, Rudy Rucker, and John Barrow have all written good popular accounts. I can't remember if John Pierce's seminal book "Symbols, Signals and Noise" goes into this, but I expect it does. --Tim May "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around." --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet From tcmay at got.net Wed Jan 9 14:54:01 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:54:01 -0800 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 9, 2002, at 02:39 PM, Tim May wrote: > > You are missing the big picture. About 1 / 1^(N-1) bit strings of > length N will have descriptions shorter than the bit string. A typo. "1 / 2^(N-1)" is what I meant to type. If N = 100, about 1/2^99 of the bit strings have "short" (catchy, memorable, loosely speaking) descriptions. Most of the rest actually take more bits to describe if described in terms of "words" (small patterns, runs). This is what we mean when we say they are their own shortest descriptions. This is similar, by the way, to poker or bridge hands. In a fair deal, all hands are equally likely. However, because of our naming conventions and interest in "all hearts" or "a sequential run of spades from 10 to Ace," we are fooled into thinking some of these hands are "rarer" than "random hands." Again, this is just one facet of a very interesting topic. --Tim May From jday442 at excite.com Wed Jan 9 16:02:58 2002 From: jday442 at excite.com (jday442 at excite.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:02:58 -0700 Subject: $2250 Guaranteed Per Fax Blast!! Message-ID: <200201100015.SAA09423@einstein.ssz.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 3065 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 22:08:29 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:08:29 +1100 Subject: Hells Coppers planning a "Run" Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109170526.031696c0@pop.useoz.com> http://heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,3558552%255E661,00.html New crackdown on bikie gangs By MARK BUTTLER, PAUL ANDERSON and RICK WALLACE 09jan02 NEW bikie-busting laws will be used by authorities to cripple outlaw motorcycle gangs. The Victorian and Federal governments want stronger powers to strip the gangs of assets generated through crime as part of a fresh crackdown. The tough new approach -- which has Victoria Police support -- comes after a Herald Sun investigation that has revealed the extent of violent bikie standover tactics and drug activity in Victoria. It has shown: BIKIE gangs have been linked to at least 23 violent deaths or disappearances nationwide in the past four years. ONE Melbourne gang has used violent threats to compel neighbours to report police activity near their clubhouse. A GANG "prospect" was ordered to commit murders before he would be admitted. BOOBY traps to maim or kill raiders, including police, were found at bikie fortresses. BIKIES now have closer ties with other rogue elements, including Asian organised crime cells and New Zealand's feared Mongrel Mob. OUTLAW gangs have made millions of dollars by muscling into stolen car rebirthing and counterfeiting. A VICTORIAN hotelier told of rape and death threats during years of gang terrorism. The Federal Government, frustrated by years of murder, shootings, bombings and drug production, has outlined to the Herald Sun plans to attack the most notorious of the gangs. Some are believed to be capitalising on a slump in the heroin market and subsequent rise in demand for amphetamine-based products. Police sources said almost all of Victoria's amphetamine "cooks" were bikies or had some connection with outlaw clubs. The gangs believed to be of most concern to police are the Hell's Angels, Bandidos, Rebels, Gypsy Jokers, Outlaws and Coffin Cheaters. Despite several successful Victoria Police operations in recent years, some officers said there was still a long way to go. "They do more intelligence on us than we do on them. It's their livelihood," a police source said. The officer said drug-running bikies were known to travel in tandem with a decoy vehicle. Its role was to commit traffic offences to attract police attention if it appeared the car carrying drugs might be pulled over. Some leading figures in the gang world were making fortunes, an intelligence source said. "The heads of the gangs are living like businessmen. They're in suits on planes . . . big money. They're clever organised crime businessman," the source said. National concern over bikie activity has heightened in recent months with the car bombing murder of West Australia's former top detective, Don Hancock, and his friend Lou Lewis The Gypsy Jokers, who allegedly blamed Mr Hancock for the sniper murder of member Billy Grierson, are being treated as suspects in the case. A Victorian policeman said the strongest gangs had access to frightening weaponry. "They carry powerful guns, these blokes. But they have heaps more stacked away for a rainy day if they decide ever to go to war," he said. Federal Justice Minister Chris Ellison said some bikie gangs had become wealthy conglomerates with significant investments. But he outlined a fresh assault on bikie gangs that he will put before Parliament next month. Among the key measures will be new laws allowing police to seize assets if they are believed to be criminally obtained. Mr Ellison said the Government would also look at prohibiting clubhouse fortification, a major advantage the bikies have over police mounting raids. He said some gangs had installed booby traps to maim or kill raiders, including police, at their clubhouses. Old consorting laws, not used for decades, could also be dusted off to prevent outlaw riders associating with one another, he said. Mr Ellison said gangs were running outwardly legitimate front businesses as smoke-screens for their lawless activities. And Victoria's Police Minister Andre Haermeyer said bikie gangs would be among crime groups that could be affected under a state review of asset confiscation legislation. From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Wed Jan 9 15:01:25 2002 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:01:25 -0500 Subject: RSA Conference 2002: Free Expo passes, academic discounts and sch olarships available. Message-ID: (feel free to forward this message in its entirety) The RSA Data Security Conference is being held February 18-22, 2001, at the McEnery Convention Center in San Jose, California. This is the biggest computer security conference in the world, with 200 vendors and over 10,000 attendees. Personally, I think it's a blast, and attend every year. I'm sending this to remind list members that, although the full conference is quite costly, there are (as in previous years) a couple of ways to get all or part of the show for free, and a discounted fee for academic types. ---------------------------------------------- Free Expo Passes: The Expo is the Exposition Hall, where about 200 computer security companies from all over the world will be pushing their products and looking for new hires. Free passes for the expo are available if you register over the web until February 15. After that (or at the door) they cost $50. The Expo is open Tuesday the 19th and Wednesday the 20th from 11AM to 7PM, and Thursday the 21st until 3PM. --------------------------------------------- Academic Scholarships ssh Communications Security Inc. has sponsored a number of student scholarships. Any full-time student wishing to apply for a RSA Conference 2002 scholarship should submit a curriculum vitae (CV) to RSA Security via email at rsa2002_scholarships at rsasecurity.com. Preference will be given to graduate students and advanced undergraduates in relevant disciplines. Please note that scholarships do not cover travel expenses, meals or lodging. --------------------------------------------- Academic discounts (if you can't get a scholarship :-) The RSA Conference offers a discounted registration fee of $595.00 to students and professors of academic universities. (which is way less than half the regular fee) ------------------------------------------------ Full information on the conference can be found at http://www.rsaconference.com (which, as others have pointed out, is Flash-heavy :-( I'm talking to people to try to get that changed next year.) See you there! Peter Trei ptrei at rsasecurity.com [PS: I have no input into the scholarship selection process, so don't send me anything.] ============================================================================ ================ This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. 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Who in their right mind would rely on scum criminals to play by the same middle-class standards of behavior as they normally do? << Scum criminals are all lower than middle class? None are ever higher? >>So if you don't know if your robber will take your life for something as absolutely trivial as your athletic shoes, surely defending yourself by killing them first when they're trying to steal your PC or TV is warranted.<< Justine making a Goetz of herself.You go girl. >>Mainly it's going to make vengeance easier for people who lack a sufficient level of commitment to the idea of taking responsibility for going all the way themselves.<< Cos they dont want to do the time? And why should they if its self defence? >>I hate to break this to you, but people hire contract killers every single day.<< Join the Army.Be all you can be.Good business is where you find it. >>For example, any lard-assed schizophrenic coward parasitically sponging welfare in a foreign country can push a few keys and put a four-dollar bounty on my head online;<< Cowards dont publish their name and address and stand behind their words.I am wrong sometimes but am available to be criticized and/or corrected.Id love to get the bounty on that lard assed drugs and arms merchant,Armitage,up to 4$ Being selected for ad hominum's from you and that goon Maurice warms the cockles of my sweet,sweet heart. >>but it would take someone of a far hardier breed to get organized and lay out the $5000 bucks for a halfway decent hit man. (data point from personal experience: I used to know a woman who dated one.)<< No one cares spit about you babe.That govt behind you is going down though. >>Crypto-anarchy notwithstanding, I don't think any amount of crypto will ever be able to keep the vast majority of lard-assed schizophrenic cowards from making enough mistakes to get caught or iced first.<< Seems Im 'caught" already...only you don't know what to charge me with,there's no plea bargain blackmail BS here and I welcome a trial as free publicity for APster.Ice me and people will twig I was onto something big.Cleft stick girlfriend. >>And since the L-ASCs are likely to make up a disproportionate percentage of the demand for such services, it's probably not going to be as dire a situation as some people would like you to think.<< Yeah,its amazing how little real demand there is.Its only dire for a few.Anonymous cowards like you are safe as houses. >>>>(Hint: This preceeded Jimbell by many years.)<< Speak of the devil. I'm still trawling the archives and I'm pleasantly surprised by jims posts circa early 96.Ably supported by Vulis.Demonized by some govt garbage like jeff gordon and plonked by numbnuts May,precious about his spotlight,that's all. >>>Fact is, many people have already earned killing. The only >>reason we cannot dispose of them is that liberal shits interfere with >>vengeance. Feds, Thugs, Overmen and L-ASCs alike: if you've given up on the idea of the constitution and rule of law, the only thing in this world that could stop you is your own personal sense of prudence. ~Faustine.<< The united snakes Empire gave up on the constitution and rule of law,the penalty for that under crypto-anarchy is death by APster. Have a nice rest of your life. From no-reply at newsletters.microsoft.com Wed Jan 9 18:15:51 2002 From: no-reply at newsletters.microsoft.com (Microsoft Registration System) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:15:51 -0800 Subject: Microsoft.com Registration System Message Message-ID: <0f7701c1997c$b9817cb0$0def2ecf@tkmsftwbr02> Information From The Microsoft Profile Center microsoft.com Password: E0BB483D If you continue to have access problems or want to report other issues, please write us by visiting Contact Us at http://register.microsoft.com/contactus/contactus.asp. From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 23:19:34 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:19:34 +1100 Subject: Bomb Bomb.Rock the Nation,Take over television and radio stations. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109181351.0316e500@pop.useoz.com> We livin' in a mean time and an aggressive time a painful time, a time where cynicism rots to the vine in a time where violence blocks the summer shine lifetimes, go by in a flash in search for love, in search for cash everybody wanna be some fat tycoon everybody wanna be on a tropic honeymoon nobody wanna sing a little bit out of tune or be the backbone of a rebel platoon it's too soon to step out of line you might get laughed at you might get fined but do you feel me when I say I feel pain everyday when I see the way my friends gotta slave and never get ahead of bills they gotta pay no way no way! some make a living doing killing Colombian penicillin some are willing to play the villain they just chillin' to pass the time, pass the information or pass the wine pass the buck or pass the baton but you can't pass the police or the pentagon the I.R.S. or the upper echelon I think it's time to make a move on the contradiction (chorus) Bomb-Bomb, rock the nation take over television and radio station Bomb-Bomb the truth shall come give the corporation some complication! This is the dawning of our time I say it one more time to emphasize the meaning of my rhyme to rise above all the dirt and grime add the right spice at the right time fuck the constitution are we part of the solution or are we part of the pollution sittin' by and wonderin' why, things ain't the way we like to find them to be, to be for you and for me the people over there and the ones in between check our habitation are we a peace lovin' nation peace lovin' nation I have a reasonable doubt I think I'll just spell it out there's no need to scream or to shout the N.R.A. just bought a man's soul then he jumps up and shouts gun control the government says that killin's a sin unless you kill a murderer with a lethal syringe so I ask again "are we peace lover's then" some of them slang guns when they six years old some of them end up in some six foot hole this whole damn place seems to, lost control so I raise my voice before I lose my soul (chorus) This is the way I'll express my feelings vibe revealed and revolved spinnin on a record y'all try to confiscate take what I communicate with it's ancient gift of the lip steady creating activating passin vocal vibrations to the blind plus the seeing human doesn't mean just being be coming don't believe it just belive it belongings or beloved rehearse it or recite it while shining drop your guns and move your tongues battle motivation in no time lyrics come sometimes fun others run their mouth or away my mind co beaming like an early sunray one day we'll get the picture and all combine less the talking bout mines is mine and become one mind every piece of the puzzle has its place to build the piece of the puzzle called the human race taking it long enough we crush the formal journalistic dyslexic critters talk backwards to rap words I'm sure raising my hands with questions and demands statements and a plan with a map of the land http://www.acroots.com/spearhead/lyrics.html From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 23:29:54 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:29:54 +1100 Subject: Tabs Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109182727.0316e280@pop.useoz.com> Keeping Tabs >by Jaggi Singh January 7, 2002 An extreme rightwing Web page lists progressive, radical and cultural groups in Montreal and Quebec City, calling them enemies of our people and our race. The list includes addresses, telephone numbers and, in some cases, specific names. There are also photos of individuals and buildings. The content of the La Droite Nationaliste Website (Nationalist Right) is entirely in French. The site promotes itself as an information index and news source for the francophone, nationalist world. It boasts of referencing 265 sites. While the sites URL isnt always working, La Droite Nationaliste was up at the time this story was posted. If you have trouble getting it, try again later. The Website is updated regularly, and contains news and events information from all over the world, and links to many other far-right electronic bulletins and Websites. It is a well-maintained, comprehensive site. La Droite Nationaliste has an e-mail address and a post-office box in Anjou, a suburb on the island of Montreal. But this Web page also features open lists of cultural and left organizations from Montreal, Quebec City and elsewhere in Quebec. Montreal Translated, this section is called The anti-nationalist file: A small address book of anti-national organizations and publications in Montreal. The site explains that, With this little address book, we are able to denounce those who, in one way or another, block the full realization of our destiny. They are in fact the number one enemies. Here, there are over sixty groups listed  with addresses, phone numbers and, in many cases, fax numbers and Web and e-mail addresses. (See La fillihre anti-nationaliste at the end of this article for a full list of these organizations and publications.) The addresses are divided into seven sections: Foreign and Non-European Communities Jewish Lobby, Zionist Lobby Pink Lobby, Homosexual Lobby Anarchist Organizations Anti-Racist Organizations Communist Organizations Institutions like the Jewish Public Library and the Musie du Fier Monde (a museum of working-class history in east-end Montreal), as well as publications like the Canadian Jewish News and Fugues (a gay and lesbian magazine) are included. So are cultural community groups self-defined as Black, Caribbean, Jamaican, Asian, Latin American, South Asian, Iranian, Haitian, Afro-Canadian, Vietnamese, Filipino, Chinese, Palestinian and Jewish. A refugee support organization, Action Rifugiis Montrial, is also listed. The Pink Lobby, Homosexual Lobby includes gay help lines and discussion groups at Concordia and McGill universities. The description of the Association of Gay Fathers even specifies the address of the building in which its members regularly meet. The anti-racist section lists Anti-Racist Action (ARA), Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice (SHARP) and the Ligue des Droits et Libertis  a very mainstream civil liberties organization. The anarchist and communist sections include some student organizations at colleges and universities. The leftwing student group, ASSI (Association pour une solidariti syndicale itudiante), receives special attention, with twenty individual activists being named (including, in most cases, their college-affiliation and course of study). Other groups mentioned include the CLAC (the Anti-Capitalist Convergence), the Comiti des sans-emploi (with some of their members specified), COBP (Citizens Opposed to Police Brutality) and various communist and socialist parties, as well as anarchist publications and collectives. The site also mentions a book publisher, Icosociitis, that produces many radical titles. Disturbingly, La Droite Nationaliste includes the photos and addresses of the Alternative Bookshop, an anarchist infoshop, as well as the headquarters of the Marxist-Leninist Party of Quebec (PMLQ). There are also photos of two unnamed members of SHARPs, a local rabbi, as well as me. Another person singled out for attention on the site is UQAM professor and anarchist Normand Baillargeon. His office location is specified. Extra, Extra The Website also includes so-called anarchist organizations in Quebec City, as well as groups in Granby and Drummondville. There are also several requests to e-mail information about more anti-national groups. A glance at the links and information on the Website provides a clear portrait of the fascist, racist, anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, anti-queer and anti-woman views that the site promotes. The links on the Quebec section include the MLNQ, an anti-choice group, the Holocaust denying Zundelsite, a variety of National Socialist groups as well as the Ku Klux Klan of Laval, just north of Montreal. Other sections on France, Belgium and Switzerland include predictable links to far-right parties (such as the Front National and MNR), anti-immigrant groups, as well as far-right music links. There is also a section devoted to the works of Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson. There is an updated events section, with far-right events from France, Belgium, Great Britain and even the United States. The news section provides a clear example of the hatred promoted by this Website. An item from Zimbabwe refers to African savages. Another news item from Serbia positively reports on a brutal racist skinhead attack on Belgrades first Gay Pride parade. Referring to the cancellation of other parades and conferences by the gay and lesbian community due to the fear of attack, the Web page states approvingly: Direct action is sometimes more convincing than the words of politicians. La Droite Nationaliste shows a detailed interest in, and knowledge of, the activities of a variety of cultural and left groups in Quebec. It includes photos, telephone numbers and addresses, making it easier for rightwing extremists who are interested in participating in verbal and physical attacks, as well as harassment. Jaggi Singh is a writer and activist based in Montreal. His previous article for rabble news was A Speech Without the Speaker (November 6, 2001). http://www.rabble.ca/news_full_story.shtml?sh_itm=ff6f4e4410aa757490eabbdf61a046b0&r=1 From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 23:33:23 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:33:23 +1100 Subject: Scott McInnis needs killing Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109183233.0316ad70@pop.useoz.com> FEBRUARY 12, 2002 NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION AGAINST STATE REPRESSION FORMER SPOKESPERSON FOR THE EARTH LIBERATION FRONT SUBPOENAED TO APPEAR BEFORE A U.S. CONGRESSIONAL SUBCOMMITTEE ON ECOTERRORISM Craig Rosebraugh, a spokesperson for the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF) from 1997-2001, received a subpoena on October 31 to testify at a Congressional Subcommittee meeting on "ecoterrorism". Craig is commanded to appear before the Congressional Subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health at 3:00 p.m. on February 12, 2002 in Washington D.C. At a Congressional meeting on October 3, 2001, U.S. Rep. Scott McInnis (CO), chairperson of the Subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health argued that Craig should be subpoenaed to provide them with information on the ELF. (Since 1997 The ELF has inflicted more that $40 million in damages to entities profiting from the destruction of the environment.). When one of the committee members made the reasonable objection that subpoenaing Craig would be a waste of time, he was accused of being "soft on terrorism". He pointed out that Craig had been subpoenaed before and never given any information, his house had been raided etc. and yet he had never been indicted for any crimes. 1)Take part in the NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION AGAINST STATE REPRESSION. Show your support for Craig, the Animal Liberation Front, the Earth Liberation Front, and those that risk their freedom to stop the destruction of life. A national protest will be held in Washington, D.C. on February 12, 2002. Please make every effort to make it. For those that can't make it, consider organizing local support protests in front of U.S. federal buildings in your city! For more information on the FEBRUARY 12, 2002 NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION AGAINST STATE REPRESSION call 503.972.6764, email skisp at tao.ca (pgp prefered - public key is below), or visit http://www.protectcivilliberties.com 2)Donate and financially support Craig and his legal defense. Make all checks and money orders out to "RESISTANCE" and send to P.O. BOX 40091, PORTLAND, OREGON 97240. 3)Follow your conscience and take direct action and any action necessary to stop the destruction of animals, humans, and the natural environment. For more information contact: FEBRUARY 12 NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION AGAINST STATE REPRESSION P.O. Box 40091 Portland, Oregon 97240 503.972.6764 skisp at tao.ca http://www.protectcivilliberties.com From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 23:37:51 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:37:51 +1100 Subject: Profiling the International Terrorist:Know your Enemy. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109183630.031693a0@pop.useoz.com> Among the top echelon of the Bush terror network, Donald Rumsfeld is one of the more disturbing characters. Donald Rumsfeld occupies the position of the U.S. Secretary of War (officially known as Secretary of Defense). His aliases range from "Rummy" and "Dr. Strangelove" to "Darth Vader." Rumsfeld has come to be known for his near glee when commenting on successful U.S. bombing missions in Afghanistan. A videotape of a recent Pentagon press briefing catches him making a chilling, bloodthirsty statement. Asked if the U.S. had run out of bombing targets in Afghanistan, Rumsfeld answers: "First, we're going to re-hit targets. And second, we're not running out of targets, Afghanistan is." According to a press report, Rumsfeld's remark was "greeted with gales of laughter in the briefing room." Rumsfeld has a reputation for a nearly fanatical infatuation with weapons of mass destruction. He was described as a "despot" by none other than Henry "Machiavelli" Kissinger--a long-time high-ranking terrorist operative personally responsible for the deaths of millions of people in Southeast Asia. He has been linked to various shadowy right-wing organizations. In short, beneath his cheerful and bubbly persona lies the cold-blooded killer instinct of a dangerous master of terror. Psychological Profile According to experts, Rumsfeld has two great passions--money and power. Like many in the Bush terror network, Rumsfeld is a multi-millionaire--his personal financial holdings are estimated to range from $50 to $210 million. He alternates between the corporate boardroom and the terrorist war room--though often the distinction is non-existent. His business dealings reflect the same callous view of human life shown by his terrorist actions. As head of one drug company, he used his connections to get approval for a food supplement that is linked to brain cancer. He founded and ran another drug company whose goal is to make a fortune by getting exclusive rights to peddle its products to severely ill people who in effect become a captive market for the corporation. Apprentice to Terror: Heartlessness and Racism Rumsfeld's initiation into terror began in 1962 as a minor functionary (aka "Congressman") in the U.S. rogue-state bureaucracy. He showed complete indifference to those without wealth--opposing food-stamp funding, Medicare, or even a measly 35" raise in the minimum wage, which was then $1.25 an hour. His proven heartlessness was rewarded with a promotion to a responsible position within the terror network headed up by Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon, which at that time was running amok around the world. The crimes of this particularly vile network ranged from targeting, imprisoning and assassinating radical Black leaders within the U.S. to the mass murder of Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians. Nixon was a renowned paranoid, schemer and proponent of the bizarre American cult of "White Supremacy." On an audio tape recently examined and verified by expert analysis, Nixon can be heard uttering obscenities and racist remarks about Black people, including sickening comments concerning Black men's anatomy and intelligence. Rumsfeld's voice is also heard on the tape--dutifully playing the yes-man toady to the terror chieftain and chiming in with approval. Despite Rumsfeld's denials of even remembering the meeting or the conversation, the tape is clearly a smoking gun. Membership in Shadowy Groups Over the course of Rumsfeld's career in terror, experts have linked him to an assortment of shadowy right-wing organizations with sinister agendas. They sport names such as Committee for the Present Danger, International Rescue Committee, Center for Security Policy, and the Committee for a Free World, which Rumsfeld himself headed up. With major funding coming from the likes of Richard Mellon Scaife, member of one the wealthiest families in the U.S., these groups are noted for their unabashed militarism, rabid anti-communism, support for pro-U.S. rogue states, love of nukes, and enthusiasm for deploying weapons of mass destruction into outer space. Individuals connected to these groups are truly an evil cabal--Latin American death squad leaders, former Nazi collaborators, operatives from Reverend Sun Myung Moon's cult-like Unification Church, spy operative Oliver North and his coterie from the Iran-Contra arms and cocaine deals, and a generous sprinkling of "retired" U.S. terror network generals and "CIA" agents. This is the nasty sea in which Rumsfeld has been swimming most of his adult life. Infatuation with Nukes According to researchers, Rumsfeld trained under Andrew Marshall, a Bush henchman and an "expert" on military matters who spent 50 years figuring out the best way to blow up half the world by "thinking the unthinkable." With this pedigree, it should be no surprise that Rumsfeld is a devout follower of a weapons cult that revels in discovering faster, newer and more powerful ways of destroying one's enemies. He really is quite mad, in a Dr. Strangelove kind of way. This was one of the qualities that earned his selection to defense chieftain in the Bush terror network, where he is like a kid in the weapons-of-destruction candy store. Rumsfeld is against a ban on chemical weapons. He opposes a nuclear test ban because such a ban would make it difficult to develop new generations of nukes. He and a team of experts advocate turning outer space into another arena of war. Rumsfeld is particularly keen on setting up a missile grid that would allow the U.S.-based terror networks to wage war, including nuclear war, without fear of retaliation. This amounts to a scheme for casualty-free (on the U.S. side) nuclear genocide. For his work, Rumsfeld was given the "Keeper of the Flame" award from the Center for Policy Studies, a terrorist support group that advocates the use of weapons in space. In the past, Rumsfeld has both advised and contributed funds to the group, which is also financed by the major military contractors who stand to make a fortune in building space weapons. Association with Rogues around the World An examination of Rumsfeld's travels reveals a close (and opportunistic) association with heads of various pro-U.S. rogue states. One day he flies to Uzbekistan to make an ally of the Uzbek dictator Islam Karimov and gain access for military bases. Karimov's iron rule--enforced by 40,000 secret police in the capital alone--allows no public criticism. He practices torture and has put thousands in prison camps. He violently suppresses believers in Islam and once boasted that "these people should be shot in the head, and if necessary I will shoot them myself." The next day Rumsfeld is hobnobbing with the Islamic fundamentalist rulers of the rogue state of Saudi Arabia, where the Bush terror network has stationed thousands of soldiers. This is a place where oil is king, the "Committees for the Propagation of Virtue and Prevention of Vice" ensure strict adherence to reactionary religious laws, and court-ordered punishments range from 1,500 lashes for protesting against the royalty to amputations for theft to the death penalty for "sorcery." Unrepentant Cold-blooded Killer Above all things, Rumsfeld is a killer. As defense chieftain, he is the one who carries out the military agenda of the Bush terror network in its war on the people of Afghanistan. He does his job with gusto: 15,000 pound "Daisy Cutters," B-52 carpet bombings, cluster bomblets that tear through human flesh like butter--for Rumsfeld, no weapon is too grisly. An admiring reporter observed that Rumsfeld "is comfortable with the word 'to kill.' " In one short briefing, he used the word "kill" nine times, while the general standing next to him used old Pentagon euphemisms like "degrade." While expressing bubbly elation over each bomb that drops, Rumsfeld coolly brushes off all reports of rising civilian deaths--now over 3,500 according to one researcher in the U.S. "No nation in human history has done more to avoid civilian casualties than the United States has in this conflict" is his preferred mantra. When confronted with specific accounts of an entire village flattened by U.S. bombs, a hospital destroyed or children buried beneath the rubble of their homes, Rumsfeld musters up all his skill to evade responsibility by employing his patented four-step "If you can't deny, justify" method. First step: "They aren't dead. These aren't body parts. These are not bomb craters." If that fails, try step 2: Insist "We didn't do it" and then blame it on someone else. If that doesn't work, go to step 3: Get self-righteous and say, "We did it--and the people must've been doing something wrong if our bombs fell on them." If all else fails, use step 4: Simply state "that's just how war goes" and move on. A videotape caught Rumsfeld saying these words as he derided his critics: "These people stand up and fuss at the United States because there's a baby in the street who was killed by something." Summary The evidence and documentation above make it clear that Donald Rumsfeld is unquestionably a dangerous man. He moves in and out of corporate, government, and military seats of power like a phantom. He kills without hesitation or remorse. His mad visions of hi-tech military superiority and global nuclear dominance could result in an astronomical loss of life. He is crafty, deceptive, ruthless, and thoroughly evil--truly an international terrorist to be reckoned with. From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 23:41:09 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:41:09 +1100 Subject: Repression Lite. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109184015.03169120@pop.useoz.com> Political Dissent Can Bring Federal Agents to Your Door posted by Drew on Tuesday January 08 2002 @ 03:20PM PST HOUSTON - It was 10:30 a.m. on Nov. 7 when the two men showed up. Donna Huanca was alone, getting ready to open Houston's Art Car Museum. "They looked like robots," she says. She told the men, dressed in dark suits and carrying leather portfolios, that they would have to wait until the doors opened at 11. That was when they flipped out their badges: They were federal agents investigating reports of "anti-American activity" at the tiny art gallery. To FBI special agent Terrence Donahue and Steven Smith of the Secret Service, it was a routine mission to check out one of the more than 435,000 tips they have received since Sept. 11. To Ms. Huanca, whose gallery was opening "Secret Wars," an exhibit on US covert operations and government secrets, it was something else. "What's anti-American about freedom of speech?" the docent blurted out. The incident, which ended after an hour of questioning, represents more than just a disturbing day for one museum staffer. Across the US, growing numbers of Americans are facing similar interrogations - apparently, they say, because they have criticized the government, President Bush, or the war on terrorism. Not everyone is bothered by the inquiries. Indeed, by responding to a torrent of tips federal agents are doing exactly what many Americans want them to do. But as the nation mounts a zealous campaign against domestic terror, some observers say federal agencies are walking a delicate line between checking out leads and trampling on free speech. "If the FBI is investigating art exhibits at museums, then the line has been crossed," says First Amendment scholar David Cole at Georgetown University in Washington. "The FBI should investigate any credible leads where federal criminal activity may be undertaken. But it should avoid investigating any political conduct." The rise in doorstep inquiries reflects, in part, a new law-enforcement reality. Suddenly, it may seem hard to know who might be the next to steer a plane into a building. It also reflects raw math. There are simply many more tips to check. "Remarks made toward the president in an antagonistic way are checked out by the Secret Service. That's always been the case," says Jill Spillman, an FBI agent detailed to the Justice Department. "The FBI checks out [possible] domestic terrorism." She says the people visited are under no obligation to answer questions and are not necessarily viewed as suspects. But Attorney General John Ashcroft's post-September policy is that each tip be looked into. While not every tip leads to a face-to-face visit, surprise encounters with federal agents are leaving some Americans feeling their privacy has been violated - and that their speech has made them targets of official scrutiny. For example, A.J. Brown, a student at Durham Technical Community College in North Carolina, faced 40 minutes of grilling by two Secret Service agents and a Raleigh police officer in her doorway (she wouldn't let them come in, and they had no search warrant). By her account, they said they were investigating a tip that she had "un-American material" in her apartment. From the doorway, they took particular note of a poster of George W. Bush holding a noose. It read: "We hang on your every word," referring to his unflinching support of the death penalty as governor of Texas. Then there's San Franciscan Barry Reingold, who was awakened from his afternoon nap by a buzzing intercom on Oct. 23. He called down to the street to find out who it was. "The FBI," was the response. He buzzed the two men up, but decided to meet them in the hall. "I was a little bit shaken up," says Mr. Reingold. "I mean, why would the FBI be interested in me, a 60-year-old retired phone company worker?" When they asked if he worked out at a certain gym, he realized the reason behind the visit. The gym is where he lifts weights - and expounds on his political views. Since Sept. 11, the sessions have been heated. Once, he recalls, "discussion turned to [Osama] bin Laden and what a horrible murderer he was. I said, 'Yeah, he's horrible and did a horrible thing, but Bush has nothing to be proud of. He is a servant of the big oil companies, and his only interest in the Middle East is oil.' " Some fellow weightlifters called Reingold a disloyal American. One, apparently, called the government. So it was that two agents were standing in his hall. "They said, 'You know you are entitled to freedom of speech.' And I said, 'Thank you. That ends our conversation.' " When Reingold closed his door, he heard one of the agents say: "But we still need to do a report." As the overheard comment suggests, the FBI and Secret Service view many of these checkups as a routine, almost innocuous, part of their job. Still, the task has taken on fresh relevance after the terrorist attacks. "Just because we [talked] to ABC Flight School doesn't mean they did something wrong," says Robert Doguim of the Houston FBI. "But how irresponsible of us would it be if we didn't talk to someone?" He says the Art Car Museum and its exhibit (which had been planned months before Sept. 11) were deemed "not dangerous" after the agents' visit. But to Huanca, the face-off seemed unnecessary and intimidating. She says the G-men puzzled over each art installation, sneering and saying things like, "What's that supposed to mean?" Drawing conclusions from cases like this is tricky, since the reality could involve more, or less, than either side tells the media. But Barry Steinhardt, associate director of the American Civil Liberties Union in Washington, finds the anecdotal evidence deeply troubling. "All of this speaks to the new McCarthyism, where political dissent is being equaled to treason," Mr. Steinhardt says. "It's a very frightening trend: that people are doing nothing more than expressing the very freedoms that we are fighting to preserve - and find themselves with the FBI at their door." From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 8 23:45:30 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:45:30 +1100 Subject: Laura's Bush.A closer look at the 1st lady. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109184206.0316de40@pop.useoz.com> http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=115621&group=webcast "We learned to be patient observers like the owl. We learned cleverness from the crow, and courage from the jay, who will attack an owl ten times its size to drive it off its territory. But above all of them ranked the chickadee because of its indomitable spirit." From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 9 00:11:24 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:11:24 +1100 Subject: The liberation of Timothy C.May. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109191011.03171340@pop.useoz.com> Black Funeral Directors Concerned Over Corporate Takeover By Michael Dabney Associated Press Writer Published: Jan 9, 2002 PHILADELPHIA (AP) - At one time, blacks turned to their own community when it came to the most critical times of life. They were often born at home with the help of black doctors or midwives, married in black churches, and buried by black undertakers, often in black cemeteries. Integration changed much of that, leaving two mainstays of the community: black churches and funeral homes. But some black funeral directors fear that this, too, is changing, with large, mostly white-run businesses buying out black-owned funeral homes. "Funeral homes is one of the last businesses African-Americans have," said Greg Burrell, owner of the Terry Funeral Home in West Philadelphia. The vast majority of blacks are still buried by black funeral directors, and few whites, unless they married into black families, are buried by blacks, industry officials said. "This business is still very segregated," said Sharon Seay, executive director of the National Funeral Directors and Morticians Association, an industry group that represents roughly 2,300 black funeral homes, or about 12 percent of the total. That is down from more than 2,500 some 10 years ago, a drop due in part to acquisitions. Lisa Tucker, a mortician at Yarborough & Rose Funeral Home and president of the Quaker State Funeral Directors Association, a coalition of black funeral directors in Pennsylvania, said corporate acquisitions threaten a way of life. "The African-American funeral home is passed down - it's a generational thing," Tucker said. Moreover, some independent owners say, the personal touch black funeral homes offer is lost when the larger companies move in. "Their focus is wrong," Burrell said. "Everyone is in business to make money, but with the conglomerate, it is the primary focus. They forget all about the families." The average black funeral home does between 500 and 1,000 funerals a year and, if sold, would fetch between $1 million and $2 million, Seay said. In most cases, the former owner and employees are kept on for several years to offer continuity. Most black owners sell because they are getting older and do not have a family member to take over, Tucker said. Seay's organization is urging owners to at least keep the businesses in the black community: "If you have to sell and want to sell, consider who you are selling it to." The nation's largest funeral home owner is Houston-based Service Corporation International, which owns roughly 7 percent of all the funeral homes in the country but conducts about 14 percent of the nation's burials. Currently, the company has halted its acquisition of small independent homes and is focusing on managing the 1,350 it has, said Terry Hemeyer, an SCI spokesman. "We look at the market and we look at which markets are growing," Hemeyer said. "We do not track statistics as to race. We don't have an African-American division of SCI. We don't do that." Loewen Group Inc. of Toronto has nearly 900 funeral homes and 318 cemeteries in North America and has scaled back it acquisition program. After years of aggressive acquisitions, Loewen is now trying to restructure in federal bankruptcy court in Delaware. There are a number of small, but growing, black companies acquiring black-owned funeral homes. "We don't have a desire to run black businesses out of business," said Slivy Edmonds Cotton, president of Perpetua, a 4-year-old black company based in Tucson, Ariz. "We want to be an alternative." Applying sound business practices while still maintaining a personal touch is possible, she said. "They are not mutually exclusive," Cotton said. "Our goal is to have a balance. From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 9 00:23:00 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:23:00 +1100 Subject: State dept. alternative APster trial.Proof of concept? Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109192049.03170d80@pop.useoz.com> State Department Officer Charged With Attempted Murder The Associated Press Published: Jan 9, 2002 WASHINGTON (AP) - A veteran State Department foreign service officer has been charged with attempting to murder her friend's estranged husband. Police say Margery L. Landry, 48, broke into the house of Arlen Slobodow before dawn Monday wearing a black ski mask and armed with a gun. Slobodow was awakened when the intruder tried to push him off the bed, according to police records cited by The Washington Post. Landry fired two shots at Slobodow, striking him once in the leg. He then wrestled with Landry, ripping off her mask, police said. According to police reports, Landry is a close friend of Slobodow's estranged wife and godmother to his two sons. Police are investigating whether the shooting is connected to an alleged threat by Slobodow's wife, Elsa Newman, to hire someone to kill her husband and children if she couldn't have custody. Landry was charged with attempted murder, assault and burglary and was ordered held without bond. Slobodow is in stable condition in a hospital. Slobodow's children, a 5-year-old boy and an 8-year-old boy, were not injured, police said. As a result of Newman's alleged statements to her attorney in September, a judge granted Slobodow full custody of the children, and Newman was allowed a supervised visit every two weeks, court charging documents state. Police said they are trying to find Newman, who lives in the Washington suburb of Bethesda, Md., for questioning. Prosecutors described the two women as close friends and former college roommates. Landry, who works in the State Department's Office of Children's Issues, and her husband, John, a civilian Army employee, are godparents to Slobodow and Newman's children. Henry Asbill, Landry's attorney, told the Post that his client should be presumed innocent. He argued during her bond hearing that she has no prior arrest or conviction. Landry works in the division at State that handles international parental child abduction and international adoption matters, an agency spokeswoman said. She said officials would follow the police investigation of Landry and have not made a decision on her employment. From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 9 00:35:31 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:35:31 +1100 Subject: Paper tiger dollars days are numbered. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109193039.031726d0@pop.useoz.com> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1746000/1746535.stm Just as the initial euphoria from the introduction of notes and coins wears off, the euro has received a boost from news that China could be buying more euros to reduce its reliance on the dollar. "China has always thought the euro important," said the Chinese finance minister, Xiang Huaicheng, "and thinks that it will some day be on an equal footing with the US dollar." The hegemony of the running dogs of capital will soon see clearly that the east is red.American capitalism, based as it is on exploitation of the poor, with its fundamental motivation in personal greed, simply cannot survive without force - without a secret police force. From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 9 00:47:51 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:47:51 +1100 Subject: For FUCKS sake KILL the PRESIDENT! Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020109194531.03174d90@pop.useoz.com> Our Allies, the "Pakis" White House officials are insisting President Bush meant no direspect when he referred yesterday to the people of Pakistan as "Pakis" -- a term considered a grievous ethnic slur in Britain and Canada. The Pakistani ambassador to the US brushed the blooper aside, but it joins the ever-growing list of Bush malapropisms. 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(Which states "A statement that further transmissions of unsolicited commercial electronic mail to the recipient by the person who initiates transmission of the message may be stopped at no cost to the recipient by sending a reply to the originating electronic mail address with the word 'remove' in the subject line.") From gnu at toad.com Thu Jan 10 00:52:29 2002 From: gnu at toad.com (John Gilmore) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:52:29 -0800 Subject: FreeSWAN & US export controls In-Reply-To: <3C3D2C79.604FE650@storm.ca> Message-ID: <200201100852.AAA09948@toad.com> > Or is there something we should be doing to get RedHat, and Debian, and > other US-based distributions to include it? Absolutely. It's already pretty secure. We should just make it trivial to install, automatic, transparent, self-configuring, painless to administer, and free of serious bugs. Then they'll have every reason to drop it in. John --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From sandy at storm.ca Wed Jan 9 21:54:01 2002 From: sandy at storm.ca (Sandy Harris) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:54:01 -0500 Subject: FreeSWAN & US export controls References: <200112110504.VAA27366@toad.com> Message-ID: <3C3D2C79.604FE650@storm.ca> John Gilmore wrote: > > Anonymous said: > > The major problem that holds back the development of FreeS/WAN is > > with its management. [Management that cares more about sitting on > > its pulpit, than getting useful software into the hands of people.] > > Unless things have changed recently, they still won't accept > > contributions from the US. This makes no sense. GPG is shipping > > with every Linux distribution I know of, and the German's take > > contributions from the US. > > (From the pulpit:) > > Once we kick John Asscroft's unconstitutional ash outta town, bush > George Bust along with more than a thousand other innocents, and > eliminate the spectre of Judd Gregg and other retrograde stalinists > 're-regulating' US crypto, then we'll think about polluting the > precious bodily fluids of worldwide freeware privacy protection with > the stench of US crypto policy. ... Beyond doubt it is important to keep FreeS/WAN free, specifically to continue development in ways that keep it clear of US regulations. I think that means not taking US contributions to the code. Various Americans have made important contributions by testing, reporting bugs, joining design discussions and so on, just not code. To me, the interesting question is what can we do to get FreeS/WAN more widely distributed, without giving up that freedom. FreeS/WAN is already included in several Linux distributions not produced in the US. SuSE, Mandrake, Conectiva, ... For a list, see: http://www.freeswan.org/freeswan_trees/freeswan-1.94/doc/intro.html#products However, RedHat does not include it. The issue doesn't seem to be just that they don't ship crypto. Checking the RPMs on RedHat 7.2, I find GnuPG, OpenSSH, OpenSSL, CIPE, ... but not FreeS/WAN. So should we just suggest that everyone buy distributions that do include FreeS/WAN? Or is there something we should be doing to get RedHat, and Debian, and other US-based distributions to include it? --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 9 07:32:01 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:32:01 +1100 Subject: Dear Declan,you suck. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020110021802.00a448c0@pop.useoz.com> >>mattd recently babbled incoherently:<< Yet you dont quote anything I said.Que? >>"Liberty without socialism is privilege,injustice; socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality." Bakunin. >>Another dead russian. Why not Stalin? "One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic." << And if you go quoting chairman mao? >>Still trying to define anarchy by your own anti-social agenda, eh matt?<< Im anti CALC,thats the almost opposite of anti-social.Your welcome to Tim's poverty stricken definition. >>"Let's all be anarchists, just like me!" -- mattd twit.<< No lets all stay pigeonholed as right wing twits.A much easier target for the smarter spooks that will be here soon. And I was talking to declan the libertarian pod anyway you idiot. _Please_ don't feed the troll...or the nasty knee jerk weasl.Now declan,give us your thoughts on Treis last posts. From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 9 07:47:13 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:47:13 +1100 Subject: Agent Faustines 6 year itch. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020110024113.00a4acc0@pop.useoz.com> >It seems likely that any overt organization operating an Assasination >Politics scheme will be outlawed... even though the most logical reading of >current laws says that it isn't illegal (except for the gambling part). An >anonymously constructed one seems a lot more likely - which Lotus could then >anonymously patronize. Even if operation of such a system is "outlawed," the government would still have to TRY to enforce the law, which would be mighty difficult. Remember, the whole system is based on anonymity, which means it'd be hard to get witnesses to any overt act. And we have 1st amendment issues to consider: If this system were operated from overseas, it would be difficult or impossible to restrict communication with the main organization, etc. I believe that the enthusiastic support by some well-known software company (even if they didn't intend to actually run or assist in the running of the operation itself) would make the politicians shit bricks, leading to a cathartic national debate that we sorely need. > I do have some ideas for making such possible, but I'm >waiting on a defense of three points before I'll release them. These points >are: >A. My previously mentioned problem with a limited but non-libertarian >organization. I don't deny that such an organization might spring up. (Anti-abortion activists are the group which come most immediately to my mind, BTW. I'm not in sympathy with them; quite the opposite.) I've never claimed that this system is totally immune to such abuse, in the same way that the seller of a gun can certify that it will never be used to commit a crime. >B. I don't trust the average person to look ahead enough to make this >(or other Anarcho-Capitalist) schemes work. Fortunately, "Assassination Politics" will achieve this "crypto anarchy" even if only a tiny fraction of the population participate and use it. The reason is that the number of decision-maker government employees is comparatively small and most will resign before being "terminated." (with extreme prejudice.) The total cost to bring down the US government will probably be substantially less than $100 million. > In other words, the average person >has to be able to see that a non-limited organization is a danger to them, >etcetera. I realize that this takes a bit of thinking to recognize. I've thought about this whole thing for nearly a year, now, and it is still a fascinating and yet a bit terrifying subject. > Moreover, Jim Bell is ignoring the other sources of propaganda than >government in convincing the average person that someone is doing something >wrong (when, by my ethics at least, they aren't) - such as religion and >various organizations like the PFDA. Again, only a tiny fraction of the population needs to participate... > Admittedly, as I've stated before, the >requirement for some money would help, at least to the degree that our economy >is meritocratic. (A growing tendency, fortunately.) If most people are on a >subsistence wage (the result of free trade & automation with varying human >abilities), they can't afford enough money for Assasination Politics. (Yes, >I'm an intellectual Elitist. Deal with it.) I've been asked what I think would be the average payoff for a medium-level government official "kill" would be. Naturally, that would be market-driven, but it is reasonable to assume that most of the payment for a CURRENT contract killing is based on the risk; not merely the risk of doing the job and/or getting caught, but also the risk of dealing with (and trusting, etc) the other guy. I suspect that the vast majority of convictions for contract killings occur not because the killer was caught in the act, but because of these relationships associated with it. Since "Assassination Politics" promises essentially perfect anonymity to the donors as well as the "predictors", the majority of the "risk" associated with having such a job done would be far lower than currently. I estimate, therefore, that you could get "action" for around $10,000. Since "Assassination Politics" is based on a combined-donation system, even people on a subsistence wage could contribute; a quarter here, a dollar there, pretty soon it turns into real money. >C. While I may not like dealing with the average person very much (see >above), I don't want to see them starving in the streets. I can see >governmental welfare as being necessary for this, although the private form >is definitely preferable. (And yes, I can justify this as being a libertarian - >if not Libertarian Party - viewpoint. If I recall correctly, I had a debate >with Perry on this on Libernet, in which he tried to dismiss me as "just a >Democrat." I was posting under the name ALLENS at YANG.EARLHAM.EDU at the time). >- Allen I understand your concern. I wish there was some simple argument I could give which would assuage your fears. However, I look at it this way: The Federal government (and all other governments, around the world) are currently parasites on the rest of the population. Now "parasite theory" is that the parasite has some sort of optimum "parasite level" above which he cannot go. Once the cost for such parasitism is removed, there will be an economic boom for those "hosts" of the parasite. Naturally, the parasite will be in trouble, but that's only justice. Has the US dollar depreciated that much in 6 years parasite justine? From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 9 07:56:39 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:56:39 +1100 Subject: jimbo's last theorem Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020110025518.00a4a530@pop.useoz.com> From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 9 09:49:45 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:49:45 +1100 Subject: IRS removal Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020110044529.02e25960@pop.useoz.com> >My purpose on this thread is to examine the limits of Jim Bell's idea of >Assassination Politics. My ground rules are to assume that it is a natural >outgrowth of the technologies of anonymous cash and anonymous remailers. >As such arguments that it is immoral are only valid to the extent that they >bare on individual's decisions to particpate in an assassination. Pardon me, but the proper word is "bear", not "bare." > >I believe that we have general agreement that high government figures are >not subject to sanction via assassination politics because they already >enjoy Secret Service levels of protection.<< You'd be surprised how few "high government officials" have Secret-service-type protection. President, obviously, vice president, Speaker of house, majority and minority leader of Senate, etc. "Ordinary" members of House and senate don't. A few department heads probably do, but that is the exception, rather than the rule. BTW, for the record, just a couple of days ago Clinton probably passed within a mile of my house, "Slant range", in a helicopter, with a day's warning. (The term, "slant range", is a "term of art," for those not in the know.) >I also believe that Jim and I disagree about the significance of Salmon >Rushdie. Jim thinks that the lack of anonymity in the Mullah's >assassination bounty is repelling possible assassins. I disagree. << Well, then what _IS_ "repelling possible assassins"? Hint: If I or you killed Rushdie, do you really believe you would be able to collect the reward? I don't. Unless you get people to really BELIEVE they can collect, then it is irrelevant what the value of that reward is! Hint: If the mullahs really wanted to see Rushdie dead, they would have implemented some sort of "Assassination Politics"-type system to ensure than anyone who wanted to collect the reward could do so from the comfort and safety of his own home. >A >question worth asking is, How much does it cost the British government to >protect Mr. Rushdie by keeping his location secret and providing other >unspecified protection. If anyone knows the answer, it could help build an >economic model of Assassination Politics.<< Which is a valid goal. Actually, it is unclear why Britain is spending the money to protect Rushdie. Despite the fact that he's done nothing to deserve his targeting, governments are remarkably reticent about protecting individual citizens. >Jim Bell said: > >>Actually, I think the primary targets will be either the middle level >>manager types, or the ones who have attracted a substantial amount of bad >>publicity by "following orders." Lon Horiuchi (the sniper who shot Vicki >>Weaver) for example, would be a excellent example of a person who'd try to >>claim, "I was just following orders." Okay, maybe he was, but so was Adolph >>Eichmann. > >I agree that Jim's idea of targeting certain specific individuals, such as >the sniper above might work. Now, imagine you were a government employee in this line of work, and a fellow employee was bumped off due to a well-publicized incident. Next time you're asked to engage in a Waco-like operation, what do you think you'll say to your manager? "Is this trip necessary?" This is called, "deterrence." >>Once the tax collectors/enforcers were targeted, the rest of the government >>wouldn't be able to operate, and would collapse. > >However if you tackle the whole tax system, you get into problems of scale. > The IRS alone (according to their web page) has over 110,000 employees, >and we havn't even mentioned the state and local employees. I don't think >killing one or two will have a sigificant effect (that is occuring now). I >will assume that you have to successfully kill about 10% to have enough >effect to shut off the government's money supply. Needless to say, I disagree. In practice, if you discovered that each year there was a 1% chance of you dying as a consequence of your job, you'd probably strongly consider changing your place of employment. Now, I think statistics show that each year, about 800 billion dollars in individual income taxes are collected. If we assume that the equivalent of only 1% of that value was donated to solve the "IRS problem," that's 8 BILLION dollars, which at $10,000 per person would buy 800,000 deaths. THat's 7 times the current employment of the IRS. You tell me: What would the average person pay THIS YEAR to avoid paying, say, a $100,000 tax bill NEXT YEAR? (Hint: How much do rich people pay their accountants, TODAY, to avoid taxes?) Another Hint: Consider Bill Gates. His wealth is variously estimated at over 10 BILLION dollars, probably almost all of which is in long-term capital gains (Microsoft stock), for which he will have to pay somewhere around 30% in Federal income taxes if he should choose to cash out. He would be 1.5 Billion dollars ahead if he donated $1.5 billion dollars to an organization which would eliminate his requirement to pay the total 3 billion dollar tax bill to the IRS. That alone is the equivalent of about $14,000 for each IRS employee. >Attacks at this scale will be difficult because while people will have >perfect anonymity in cyberspace, they won't enjoy it in physical space. >Neighbors, survalence cameras, etc.; in fact all the technology that makes >privacy so hard to achieve today will be available to catch the assassins. >The police will also be more motivated to utilize the technology for this >class of people than they would for drug dealers, pimps and other low >lifes. These points will tend to raise the price of assassinations.<< That depends entirely on the identity of the target. Besides, suppose for a moment that all these people are turned into "targets." It's pretty easy to protect ONE INDIVIDUAL; it's far harder to protect thousands. >Let us assume that we can buy assassinations for $50,000 per person. Times >11,000 people is $550 million dollars. That is quite a sum. I need to see >an analysis which shows how to raise money on this scale.<< Your estimate is way too high. Remember, most of the cost of hiring a hitman is based on the risk (to him) of actually contacting and TRUSTING his contractor. (and vice versa: The contractor has to trust the hitman.) While I have no firm statistics, I would imagine that the vast majority of "contract killings" are solved (if they are solved at all, by the police) by something other than evidence collected at the site where the killing actually occurred. If you completely eliminate this risk, (by encryption and digital cash, etc.) by free-market principles the cost should drop drastically. More generally, most murders are solved either by researching the prior relationships (and motives) of acquaintances of the "victim," or witnesses to an incident that the killer didn't expect to occur, etc. "Assassination Politics" would result in a situation in which literally everybody in the world had an IDENTICAL motivation to kill the target. Imagine explaining this away to a jury, who themselves might have had an equivalent motivation to collect the reward! Jim Bell jimbell at pacifier.com (circa 96,pr) From cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net Thu Jan 10 03:21:16 2002 From: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net (Jimmi Edwards) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:21:16 -0500 Subject: Best Selection of Bvlgari Message-ID: At Our Store, we specialize in the sales of brand name quality look alike timepieces, at some of the great deals ever. 15% off when you buy 2 or more watches Highest Quality Product Exact Look as the real brand Choose From 800 models (Movado , Movado , Movado , ) very afoardable deal. 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Declan you debate ducking coward,answer my question.Are you with Trei or are you with the terrorists? From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Thu Jan 10 05:32:56 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:32:56 -0600 Subject: Slashdot | Cooperation Works if Majority Can Punish Freeloaders Message-ID: <3C3D9808.C87BBA34@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/science/02/01/10/0324223.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Thu Jan 10 05:36:32 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:36:32 -0600 Subject: The Register - Hush - do you want to store a secret? Message-ID: <3C3D98E0.E3709AF9@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/23604.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From mmotyka at lsil.com Thu Jan 10 08:21:23 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:21:23 -0700 Subject: U.S. Rep. positions against copy controls Message-ID: <3C3DBF83.E3EC04C5@lsil.com> 1 : 435 From remailer at remailer.xganon.com Thu Jan 10 09:05:01 2002 From: remailer at remailer.xganon.com (Anonymous) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:05:01 -0600 Subject: more on procmail is not mattd's friend! Message-ID: <239e1ccbfac60cda532fcaceebad4bad@remailer.xganon.com> Have fun mattd(as I am sure you already are!) this script allows anyone to return comments to mattd without effort. -----start of cut ------------ :0 c * ^From.*mattd | /home/somepath/Mix/mix --chain=`\*,\*,\*,\*` --copies=2 --subject="MATTD LIKES BEING ASSFUCKED!! SO HIS MALE LOVER CLAIMS!!" --to=mattd at useoz.com warning;/home/somepath/Mix/mix -d;/home/somepath/Mix/mix -d;/home/somepath/Mix/mix -d;/home/somepath/Mix/mix -S ------------end of cut--------------- -----------start of cut------------- Warning: the pseudo-anarchist mattd likes molesting farm animals. watch this pseudo-anarchist be the first to attempt to complain to authorities about this automated bit of critique! This automated announcement will automatically repeat every time the assfucked bastard posts. ---------end of cut ------------- From mmotyka at lsil.com Thu Jan 10 10:19:46 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:19:46 -0700 Subject: AU Anti-biker Laws Message-ID: <3C3DDB42.A74541A4@lsil.com> The thing that caught my eye in the article submitted by spewing nemesis mattd was that in addition to guilt by association, they are using anti-fortification laws to crack down on bikers. I vaguely remember a door-strengthening prohibition somewhere in Europe being mentioned here in the past. Searching for 'fortification law' turns up interesting things. In the US the hits are nutritional, wine, historical and military science items. This gem is from Canada : http://www.ville.montreal.qc.ca/greffe/reglemen/anglais/reglpdf/E-1_1.pdf I especially like the prohibition against observation towers. Apparently that state has determined that its people will live in perforable shacks in order to keep them physically vulnerable should the need for the state to whack them arise. This is a concept that will probably catch on here in the US. What good is a stealth warrant if you can't get in without a cutting torch or dynamic entry if it bounces off and just makes noise? Every well-choreographed play requires a carefully planned setting. Mike From mv at cdc.gov Thu Jan 10 11:26:40 2002 From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret)) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:26:40 -0800 Subject: tree huggers as terrorists Message-ID: <3C3DEAF0.EB528B97@cdc.gov> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/01/08/MN42119.DTL Eco-vandals condemned as domestic terrorists But activists say all groups being tarred with extremist brush Robert Schlesinger, Boston Globe Tuesday, January 8, 2002 Washington -- On Sept. 20, as much of the country was still in shock from the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, self-proclaimed members of the Animal Liberation Front firebombed a primate research lab in New Mexico, causing $1 million in damage. In October, a federal land management facility in California was torched, causing $85,000 in damage. Members of the Earth Liberation Front claimed responsibility. The same movement is suspected of planting two homemade bombs in November at a forestry research center at Michigan Tech University. As the Bush administration pursues its war on terrorism at home and abroad, some political leaders, particularly from Western states, want to ensure that extreme environmental and animal rights groups share the focus. While even the harshest critics acknowledge that there is no proportionate comparison between Al Qaeda and groups like the Earth Liberation Front -- particularly because these radical environmental and animal rights groups have avoided taking lives -- they say that terrorism is terrorism. "The point has come when we need to strip away the Robin Hood mystique from this terrorism in our country," said Rep. Scott McInnis, a Republican from Colorado. McInnis's district includes the famed ski town of Vail. Earth Liberation Front members burned down a ski resort there in 1998, causing $12 million in damage. An estimated $40 million in damage is attributed to these radical groups over the past few years. That figure includes the fires at the Coulston Foundation labs in Alamogordo, N.M., in September and the Bureau of Land Management Wild Horse and Burro Facility in Litchfield (Lassen County), in October. State bomb squad technicians defused the two bombs found outside forestry research buildings at Michigan Tech last month. The Earth Liberation Front has not claimed responsibility for planting the explosives, but self-identified members of the group sent threatening e-mails to the university. FBI REPORT ON TERRORISM The FBI, in its most recent report on terrorism in the United States, identified such groups as among the biggest and fastest-growing domestic threats. "The threat posed by special interest extremism -- most notably the extreme fringes of the animal rights and environmental movements -- is also emerging as a significant concern for law enforcement," said the report, issued last year. Group members style themselves as defenders of Earth or animals against rapacious corporations and a complicit government. They ask who the "extremists" really are. "I find that torturing sentient animals, harming animals who would otherwise live a free life in the wild, I find that a bit extreme," said David Barbarash, a spokesman for the Animal Liberation Front, which opposes the often-painful use of animals in medical or product testing. "I don't find torture a normal practice; I think that's an extreme practice." CHARACTERIZATION REJECTED Barbarash dismissed descriptions of his group and the Earth Liberation Front as terrorist organizations, saying that no one has ever been killed by their actions. But there are similarities to terrorist organizations. ALF and ELF are organized in a cell structure, with small groups acting independently and without a central leader. The Internet is used as a tool to spread information and exhortation. ALF's Web site has a "recommended reading" section that includes a document on "Setting Fires With Electrical Timers -- An Earth Liberation Guide." The decentralized set-up is designed to prevent interference with the groups' activities. "This decentralized structure helps keep activists out of jail and free to continue conducting actions," the ELF Web site says. Activists who damage property are rarely identified or caught. Representative Darlene Hooley, a Democrat from Oregon whose district has endured a lot of clashes over the environment, is sponsoring a bill that would set up a national environmental terrorism information clearinghouse and step up federal aid for areas of high activity. "There has been increased activity on ecoterrorism in our state and in the Northwest and in my district," said Hooley, who added that Oregon has experienced 100 "major acts of terrorism" in the past 20 years -- one-third of them in the last four years. In February, McInnis will chair a hearing of a House Resources subcommittee focusing on ecoterrorism, and he has subpoenaed the former spokesman for ELF. McInnis and a half-dozen other Western Republican legislators have also sent a letter to prominent mainstream environmental groups calling upon them to disavow groups like ELF and ALF. McInnis, who is regularly at odds with these groups on policy matters, likens his effort to the coalition-building the United States has done internationally against terrorism. He hopes to form "coalitions with governments that do not necessarily agree with the U.S. on policy but agree that terrorism is not a way to solve policy differences," McInnis said. Most of the environmental groups -- who had long-standing, vocal positions opposing the radical fringe of their movements -- rolled their eyes at the political posturing while reiterating their positions. "I wonder why seven congressmen are so interested in challenging an organization to disavow ecoterrorism when Greenpeace has a perfect, 30-year record of peaceful, nonviolent civil disobedience used to engage corrupt governments and corporations around the world," John Pasacantando, Greenpeace USA's Executive Director, wrote to McInnis. "I wish that you would drop this ruse of trying to link peaceful environmental efforts to terrorism -- just at the moment when the country needs you to actually focus on real issues." From mv at cdc.gov Thu Jan 10 11:32:04 2002 From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret)) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:32:04 -0800 Subject: russian U-235 Fedexed to your door Message-ID: <3C3DEC34.245904F3@cdc.gov> Russian U-235, $30,000 / kg: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/russia/story.jsp?story=108845 Fedexing hot isotopes: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/10/national/10RADI.html From jya at pipeline.com Thu Jan 10 12:16:18 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:16:18 -0800 Subject: more on procmail is not mattd's friend! In-Reply-To: <239e1ccbfac60cda532fcaceebad4bad@remailer.xganon.com> Message-ID: That's k00l. Now, mattd, you set the script to return the shit to cpunks to automate and improve the bitching signal and boost volume. The traditional signal here is indistinguishable from noise to those who only send to read their own shit and never comprehend the other. Idiot sigs, calls for killing and killfiling are shit for eaters. But fun to watch auto-hypnotics, too. From rahettinga at EarthLink.Net Thu Jan 10 09:24:42 2002 From: rahettinga at EarthLink.Net (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24:42 -0500 Subject: Prosperity through punishment (was Re: more on procmail is not mattd's friend!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:16 PM -0800 on 1/10/02, John Young wrote: > Idiot sigs, calls for killing and killfiling are shit for eaters. http://www.nature.com/nsu/020107/020107-6.html Prosperity through punishment Retribution can breed cooperation. 10 January 2002 JOHN WHITFIELD Notions of fairness may outweigh selfish considerations. ) Corbis Cooperation can flourish if the public-spirited majority can punish freeloaders, say Swiss economists. People will pay to punish - suggesting that their notions of fairness outweigh selfish considerations. The work may help explain why people cooperate in society. In an investment game with shared profits, players punish those who do not contribute to the group's good, despite the personal cost. The emotional satisfaction of dispensing justice seems to spur them on: "People say, 'I like to punish'," says Ernst Fehr of the University of Zurich. The fear of being fined keeps potential defectors in line, and the power to punish gives willing cooperators a sense of security. These dynamics may explain why early humans banded together into cooperative groups for hunting or warfare. Explanations of cooperation have tended to focus on what the altruist gets out of it, either through the swapping of good turns or the benefits to family members. "For a very long time in economics and biology there's been an assumption of self-interest," says economist Herbert Gintis of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. Instead, he says, it seems that egalitarianism is "a basic part of human behaviour". -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From mv at cdc.gov Thu Jan 10 12:34:33 2002 From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret)) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:34:33 -0800 Subject: Judges whimsy to deny constitutional rights Message-ID: <3C3DFAD9.191C97E9@cdc.gov> [Ed: since most Americans believe in random things (deities, reincarnation, virgin births, angels, heaven, devils, etc.) the "pretty bizarre claims" used to deny a citizen his rights is pretty capricious. CP relevence: JB, CJ, etc; freedom of speech, belief; govt permission to exercise rights] http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,42697,00.html Concealed-Weapon Law Stirs Debate in Alaska ANCHORAGE, Alaska  Judge Natalie Finn took away Timothy Wagner's gun permit after he claimed someone had implanted a computer chip in his head and injected him with deadly chemicals. A state appeals court, though, ruled that Finn erred, saying Alaska's concealed-carry law does not allow general concerns about mental illness to play a role in deciding whether someone should have a gun. Gun control advocates say the episode illustrates a dangerous accommodation to the gun lobby by Alaska's Legislature. Gun owners, however, argue that Alaska's law safeguards their Second Amendment rights and that the public is adequately protected. The Department of Public Safety has issued more than 18,000 such permits since 1995, when Alaskans were allowed to carry concealed handguns under restrictions that include an age limit and a gun-safety course. In 1998, the law was amended so that applicants did not have to prove they actually needed to carry a concealed weapon. Also, whether someone was mentally ill or had been treated for mental illness in the preceding five years was taken off the list of questions applicants were asked  a change cited by the appeals court last year in Wagner's case. The Alaska law requires applicants to disclose only whether they have ever been committed to a mental hospital or found mentally incompetent by a court. "Yes" answers are grounds for denying a permit. "We wanted to remove the potential for arbitrary and capricious decision making on the part of the issuing agency," said Brian Judy, Alaska liaison for the National Rifle Association. But Nancy Hwa, spokeswoman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, complained: "They are taking away the discretion of local law enforcement to make these decisions in the best interest of public safety." Other gun-friendly states, including Texas, Montana and North Carolina, have much stricter standards when it comes to mental instability and concealed-carry permits, said Luis Tolley, the Brady Campaign's state legislative director. In Montana, the law says a sheriff can deny a permit if there is reasonable cause to believe "the applicant is mentally ill, mentally defective or mentally disabled." North Carolina applicants with a "physical or mental infirmity that prevent the safe handling of a handgun" can be denied a permit. Even Texas has a long, broad list under mental health, Tolley said. The restrictions include anyone that has been diagnosed with "a psychiatric disorder or condition" that is likely to cause impairment in judgment, mood, perception or intellectual ability. "Alaska seems more likely than many states to allow mentally ill people to carry guns in public," Tolley said. "By establishing such a narrow definition, that is allowing an awful lot of people who are mentally ill to carry guns in public." Wagner's case began in 1998, when he entered the Alaska Mining and Diving store in Anchorage, dripping wet, and told a clerk he was trying to soak away chemicals in his body before they killed him. He also said a computer chip had been implanted in his head. Another employee overheard the conversation and called police. A background check revealed he had a permit to carry a concealed gun. When an officer asked Wagner if he had a gun with him, Wagner pointed to a briefcase next to him. In it was a loaded .357 and several bags of bullets. Alaska law requires permit holders who come in contact with police to tell officers immediately if they are carrying a concealed gun. Wagner was convicted of failing to do so. Finn sentenced Wagner to three years' probation and ordered him not to possess guns during that period. She also ordered him to forfeit his concealed-gun permit until his mental illness was "either cured or improved." The Department of Public Safety later revoked Wagner's permit based on Finn's decision. Efforts to reach Wagner were unsuccessful. He has no telephone listing in Anchorage. He told the court he was an "inventor" and designed guns and ammunition. The public defender's office said it had not recently heard from him. Wagner had no prior convictions, according to court documents. After his arrest, police took him to a state mental hospital. Wagner testified that he was released after being interviewed. The amended law was enacted over the veto of Gov. Tony Knowles, who warned at the time that the measure could allow dangerous people to carry concealed weapons. The Department of Public Safety has taken a wait-and-see attitude in Wagner's case. He has not again asked for his permit back and no court has ordered it returned, said Del Smith, deputy commissioner. "I think Finn was concerned about his behavior, and rightly so," Smith said. "He made some pretty bizarre claims." From mv at cdc.gov Thu Jan 10 13:32:53 2002 From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret)) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:32:53 -0800 Subject: Are your documents really wiped? (Backups vs. policy) Message-ID: <3C3E0885.7AEBE0D5@cdc.gov> excerpted from http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/jan/10/011009613.html The Big Five accounting firm said in a statement that in recent months, electronic files and other documents related to its auditing of Enron had been destroyed or deleted. Chicago-based Andersen said its company policy "required in certain circumstances the destruction of certain types of documents." However, the firm said, millions of documents related to Enron still exist, and it has managed to retrieve some of the deleted electronic files. Andersen said it is continuing retrieval efforts through electronic backup files, "and is continuing in its efforts to fully learn and understand all the facts related to this issue." ...... Sounds like someone needed to store (and backup) their docs encrypted, then lose the key.. From jei at cc.hut.fi Thu Jan 10 04:40:34 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:40:34 +0200 (EET) Subject: IRS 'Missing' 2300 Laptops Message-ID: http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2002/01/08/irs-missing-computers.htm 01/08/2002 - Updated 03:02 PM ET More than 2,300 IRS computers missing WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service, which holds taxpayers strictly liable for accurate tax returns, is working to account for more than 2,300 computers that have gone missing over the past three years. Tech Extras Sign up for Tech’s free e-mail newsletter Search USA TODAY for earlier stories on this subject A recent Treasury Department audit was unable to determine whether the laptops and other small computers were lost, stolen or simply not properly documented. The IRS is reasonably sure that none contained sensitive taxpayer data or could provide a way for hackers to break into the tax agency's secure main computers. IRS officials said Tuesday they are locating the computers, most of which are older than three years and would normally be replaced anyway. Toni Zimmerman, IRS chief of information technology services, said some were probably stolen or lost but that most were misplaced through bookkeeping errors. "Over the course of events, they were coded wrong in the system," Zimmerman said. Still, a senior senator suggested that Congress require concrete improvements before approving more money for a long-term IRS computer systems upgrade. "An agency that requires taxpayers to show every receipt can't find 2,300 computers," said Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa, ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee. "The IRS wouldn't accept from a taxpayer the nonanswer it has given." In a letter dated Monday, Grassley asked Mitch Daniels, head of the White House Office of Management and Budget, to consider placing a hold on the IRS budget until the situation gets better. The IRS budget for fiscal 2002 is $9.5 billion, and Congress has approved over $391 million through 2004 for the computer modernization project. The IRS got a positive opinion on its inventory controls last year from the congressional General Accounting Office and is determined to get better yet, Zimmerman said. "We want to show that we are fiscally responsible and taxpayers should feel confident with our processes," she said. The missing computers were uncovered by a Treasury inspector general during an audit late last year that also found six unaccounted-for IRS firearms and hundreds of lost investigative items such as badges and communications gear. All told, auditors could not account for 2,332 laptops, microcomputers and microservers covering the period between October 1998 and Sept. 30, 2001. The IRS had 163,000 computers total as of September. 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Johansen, who was 15 when he authored the software, has said he did so because only wanted to be able to play movies on his computer. "Software that Jon wrote is something that is necessary for people to be able to exercise their...rights with a DVD," said Robin Gross of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which has provided Johansen's legal defense. Johansen, now 18 and a household name as DVD-Jon in Norway, became a celebrity among computer hackers, who even marched to support him in New York, where a related civil trial was held. Norway's economic crime police declined to charge Johansen under the country's copyright laws. Rather, prosecutors are using a law that prohibits data break-ins. "We want to focus on the code-breaking part of it, and that he made a copy of something that he did not pay for," said Inger Marie Sunde, an attorney with the Norwegian police unit. The investigation grew out of complaints filed by the Motion Picture Association of America, which represents the major Hollywood studios. Sunde said authorities agreed with the studios' contention that Johansen's program unlocked their property and left it open for theft. Sunde said it was the first such case in Norway. She did not know when the trial would begin but said it would probably be sometime this year. If convicted, Johansen could face up to two years in prison and claims for compensation. Gross, of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said the law in question is designed to prevent break-ins of secured systems like banks. In this case, she said, Johansen was trying to access his own property - a DVD he lawfully purchased. Johansen could not immediately be reached for comment. Repeated efforts to call his home and mobile numbers produced busy signals. Movie industry officials applauded the indictment and expressed confidence that "Norwegian law will provide a fair and just result." DVDs are gaining fast in popularity and rapidly becoming the preferred media for movie sales. They hold up to seven times more data than CDs and, because they are digital, don't lose quality when copied. The movie industry had attempted to protect films recorded to DVDs with the Content Scrambling System, usually called CSS. Johansen's DeCSS program unlocks the discs, opening them for copying and playing. Though Johansen has said he was trying to watch DVDs on a Linux-based computer, which did not already have DVD software like Windows and Macintosh systems, the program also permits reproduction of DVDs and their circulation over the Internet. Such free distribution could cost the movie industry millions of dollars a year, it argues. 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Dear Friend, You can earn $50,000 or more in the next 90 days sending e-mail. Seem Impossible? Read on for details; is there a catch; NO, there is no catch, just send your emails and be on your way to financial freedom. "AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION" Thank you for your time and interest. This is the letter you've been reading about in the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the program. This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way to make some extra money at home. The results of this show have been truly remarkable. So many people are participating that those involved are doing, much better than ever before. Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting to be a part of lately. You will understand once you experience it. "HERE IT IS BELOW" ================================================ ================================================ *** Print This Now For Future Reference *** The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than 90 days! Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN !!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ IT IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams will come true. This Multi-Level e-mail order marketing program works perfectly 100% EVERY TIME. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of this action !!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-level methods by the mid to late 1990's into the 21st century. This a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get to work. The audience started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!" My name is Jerry Proctor. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past fifteen years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share the experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One program claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year... it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT !!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much it cost me. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1..Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO.ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL. Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than my target. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Jerry Proctor P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor will anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this and several other programs here and overseas. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them! Remember though, the more YOU send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ************************************************************ "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA ************************************************************ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) - to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. * If you do not live in the USA, you can buy the $5 bills at your local bank . * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. You really need these reports, otherwise people won't be able to order anything from you and these reports hold IMPORTANT INFORMATION which you really need to make this into a success. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports. Save them on your computer so that they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the 5 reports, take this Letter and remove the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $555,550.00! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. g. Insert YOUR name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the MODIFIED list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. There are two primary methods of building your business! METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. (Using a good list the response could be much better.) Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $555,550.00 REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE !!! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ......... Grand Total = $555,550.00 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Note: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED. * Make sure you pay for the full mail costs and that you use enough stamps, especially if the person you order from lives in another country. This is really important because if you don't pay enough your mail won't arrive and you won't receive your report. Take some time to do this right, you only have to do it once and it's the base of your business. If you are not sure how many stamps you need, just ask your post office or bring the mail to them. They will make sure that it will have the correct postage. * Make sure the $5 cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper . * On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering (b) your e-mail address, (c) your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: ______________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: REUBEN MOSS P O BOX 5318,AFRIDAR 78153 ASHKELON ISRAEL ______________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: FAY HORACK 7 NEWARK STREET, BONAERO PARK KEMPTON PARK SOUTH AFRICA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: SANDRA KELLER 1239 MCCARTY AVENUE FAIRBANKS, AK 99701 USA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: AARON LEE GPO BOX 2996 BRISBANE QLD 4001 AUSTRALIA ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 5 : "HOW TO SEND 1 MILLION E-MAILS FOR FREE" ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: JAMES MICHAEL PO BOX 142 LAWNTON QLD 4501 AUSTRALIA ___________________________________________________ About 50,000 new people get online every month! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the 5 reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: * When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGEYOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR ************************************************************ This program really works. I live outside the US, in Europe and at first I had doubts, I wasn't sure if it would work and so I didn't take it very seriously. But after a while I figured "Why not?". After all, I can't loose much. I went to the bank and I bought 5 bills of $5 each. I sended the requests for the reports (I did everything just like I had to because I wanted to do everything right, so if it wouldn't work it wouldn't be my fault, but the program's) and waited. After a while the reports arrived by e-mail and I read them several times, they gave me precise information on how to let the program work and after I knew it all, I started my work. I started searching e-mail addressses everywhere (sites, magazines,...) and made long lists (I really enjoyed this because it was like a new hobby and I had nothing to loose). like crazy I started sending e-mail to people all over the world. I kept doiing this and checked the mail every day. After two weeks orders started to arrive. I remember the moment when I went to the mailbox and I found the first order for report #1. I just stood there for a moment and I said to myself: "this works, this thing f..... works !!!!" I was so happy that I started sending even more e-mails. The next day, nothing in the mail, I thought "maybe this is it" and I was a bit dissapointed but the next day I received 3 orders for report #1. i sended the reports to those people so they could start making money too (for them and for me). Two weeks later I was sitting almost 30 minutes a day before my computer sending reports to people that had ordered them. In these two weeks I received 29 orders for report #1. Profit so far: about 90 dollar. After that orders came faster and faster, every week I got hundreds of orders and the dollars kept coming. in total I received 64'000 dollar. can you believe this??? Last week I bought a new motorcycle and I owe it all to this program. if you're holding this paper right now and you're not sure whether to participate or not I can only say one thing: TRY IT, you won't regret. This is your chance, take it now or you will be sorry for the rest of your live. H.J. Moines, France. ************************************************************ My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL ************************************************************ The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Charles Morris, Esq. ************************************************************ Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA ************************************************************ I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, ..11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA *********************************************************** This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY ******************************* ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be factual or fictitious. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM !!!!! ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????? ?????????????? If you were not the intended recipient of this message, please accept my apologies and delete. Transmissions to you by the sender of this email will be stopped promptly by sending an e-mail with REMOVE in the subject line to rich at classicmail.co.za. This is not spam as we have included contact information & a remove link in accordance with the Unsolicited Commercial Electronic Mail Act of 2001. This message is sent in compliance of the new e- mail bill: SECTION 301. Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618, From reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 10 16:24:37 2002 From: reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk (Jose Silver) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:24:37 Subject: INTERNET BUSINESS PROGRAM-BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Message-ID: <200201101425.g0AEPQG30651@waste.minder.net> Dear Friend & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV : ''Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time'' THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one lady had to say: '' Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received a total of $ 610,470.00 n 21 weeks, with money still coming in''. Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey ========================================================= Here is another testimonial: ''' this program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, === PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ========== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following... ==============THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN !!! =========== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL ======= DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! =========== ============ Order all 5 reports shown on the list below´=============== DO NOT DELETE- PRINT IT, READ IT AND MAKE SOME BIG BUCKS. IT HAS WORKED SO WELL, THIS IS MY THIRD TIME AROUND. I QUIT MY BORING JOB. NOW I WORK AT THIS BUSINESS ABOUT ONE OR TWO HOURS A DAY PROCESSING ORDERS, INCLUDING MY DRIVE TO THE BANK! SO GO FOR IT, YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID! EARN $100,000 PER YEAR SENDING E-MAIL!!! Dear Friend, You can earn $50,000 or more in the next 90 days sending e-mail. Seem Impossible? Read on for details; is there a catch; NO, there is no catch, just send your emails and be on your way to financial freedom. "AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION" Thank you for your time and interest. This is the letter you've been reading about in the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the program. This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way to make some extra money at home. The results of this show have been truly remarkable. So many people are participating that those involved are doing, much better than ever before. Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting to be a part of lately. You will understand once you experience it. "HERE IT IS BELOW" ================================================ ================================================ *** Print This Now For Future Reference *** The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than 90 days! Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN !!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ IT IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams will come true. This Multi-Level e-mail order marketing program works perfectly 100% EVERY TIME. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of this action !!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-level methods by the mid to late 1990's into the 21st century. This a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get to work. The audience started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!" My name is Jerry Proctor. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past fifteen years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share the experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One program claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year... it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT !!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much it cost me. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1..Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO.ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL. Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than my target. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Jerry Proctor P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor will anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this and several other programs here and overseas. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them! Remember though, the more YOU send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ************************************************************ "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA ************************************************************ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) - to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. * If you do not live in the USA, you can buy the $5 bills at your local bank . * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. You really need these reports, otherwise people won't be able to order anything from you and these reports hold IMPORTANT INFORMATION which you really need to make this into a success. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports. Save them on your computer so that they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the 5 reports, take this Letter and remove the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $555,550.00! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. g. Insert YOUR name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the MODIFIED list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. There are two primary methods of building your business! METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. (Using a good list the response could be much better.) Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $555,550.00 REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE !!! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ......... Grand Total = $555,550.00 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Note: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED. * Make sure you pay for the full mail costs and that you use enough stamps, especially if the person you order from lives in another country. This is really important because if you don't pay enough your mail won't arrive and you won't receive your report. Take some time to do this right, you only have to do it once and it's the base of your business. If you are not sure how many stamps you need, just ask your post office or bring the mail to them. They will make sure that it will have the correct postage. * Make sure the $5 cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper . * On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering (b) your e-mail address, (c) your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: ______________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: REUBEN MOSS P O BOX 5318,AFRIDAR 78153 ASHKELON ISRAEL ______________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: FAY HORACK 7 NEWARK STREET, BONAERO PARK KEMPTON PARK SOUTH AFRICA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: SANDRA KELLER 1239 MCCARTY AVENUE FAIRBANKS, AK 99701 USA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: AARON LEE GPO BOX 2996 BRISBANE QLD 4001 AUSTRALIA ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 5 : "HOW TO SEND 1 MILLION E-MAILS FOR FREE" ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: JAMES MICHAEL PO BOX 142 LAWNTON QLD 4501 AUSTRALIA ___________________________________________________ About 50,000 new people get online every month! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the 5 reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: * When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGEYOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR ************************************************************ This program really works. I live outside the US, in Europe and at first I had doubts, I wasn't sure if it would work and so I didn't take it very seriously. But after a while I figured "Why not?". After all, I can't loose much. I went to the bank and I bought 5 bills of $5 each. I sended the requests for the reports (I did everything just like I had to because I wanted to do everything right, so if it wouldn't work it wouldn't be my fault, but the program's) and waited. After a while the reports arrived by e-mail and I read them several times, they gave me precise information on how to let the program work and after I knew it all, I started my work. I started searching e-mail addressses everywhere (sites, magazines,...) and made long lists (I really enjoyed this because it was like a new hobby and I had nothing to loose). like crazy I started sending e-mail to people all over the world. I kept doiing this and checked the mail every day. After two weeks orders started to arrive. I remember the moment when I went to the mailbox and I found the first order for report #1. I just stood there for a moment and I said to myself: "this works, this thing f..... works !!!!" I was so happy that I started sending even more e-mails. The next day, nothing in the mail, I thought "maybe this is it" and I was a bit dissapointed but the next day I received 3 orders for report #1. i sended the reports to those people so they could start making money too (for them and for me). Two weeks later I was sitting almost 30 minutes a day before my computer sending reports to people that had ordered them. In these two weeks I received 29 orders for report #1. Profit so far: about 90 dollar. After that orders came faster and faster, every week I got hundreds of orders and the dollars kept coming. in total I received 64'000 dollar. can you believe this??? Last week I bought a new motorcycle and I owe it all to this program. if you're holding this paper right now and you're not sure whether to participate or not I can only say one thing: TRY IT, you won't regret. This is your chance, take it now or you will be sorry for the rest of your live. H.J. Moines, France. ************************************************************ My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL ************************************************************ The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Charles Morris, Esq. ************************************************************ Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA ************************************************************ I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, ..11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA *********************************************************** This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY ******************************* ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be factual or fictitious. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM !!!!! ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????? ?????????????? If you were not the intended recipient of this message, please accept my apologies and delete. Transmissions to you by the sender of this email will be stopped promptly by sending an e-mail with REMOVE in the subject line to rich at classicmail.co.za. This is not spam as we have included contact information & a remove link in accordance with the Unsolicited Commercial Electronic Mail Act of 2001. This message is sent in compliance of the new e- mail bill: SECTION 301. Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618, From reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 10 16:24:38 2002 From: reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk (Jose Silver) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:24:38 Subject: INTERNET BUSINESS PROGRAM-BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Message-ID: <200201101435.IAA19574@einstein.ssz.com> Dear Friend & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV : ''Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time'' THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one lady had to say: '' Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received a total of $ 610,470.00 n 21 weeks, with money still coming in''. Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey ========================================================= Here is another testimonial: ''' this program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, === PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ========== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following... ==============THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN !!! =========== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL ======= DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! =========== ============ Order all 5 reports shown on the list below´=============== DO NOT DELETE- PRINT IT, READ IT AND MAKE SOME BIG BUCKS. IT HAS WORKED SO WELL, THIS IS MY THIRD TIME AROUND. I QUIT MY BORING JOB. NOW I WORK AT THIS BUSINESS ABOUT ONE OR TWO HOURS A DAY PROCESSING ORDERS, INCLUDING MY DRIVE TO THE BANK! SO GO FOR IT, YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID! EARN $100,000 PER YEAR SENDING E-MAIL!!! Dear Friend, You can earn $50,000 or more in the next 90 days sending e-mail. Seem Impossible? Read on for details; is there a catch; NO, there is no catch, just send your emails and be on your way to financial freedom. "AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION" Thank you for your time and interest. This is the letter you've been reading about in the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the program. This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way to make some extra money at home. The results of this show have been truly remarkable. So many people are participating that those involved are doing, much better than ever before. Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting to be a part of lately. You will understand once you experience it. "HERE IT IS BELOW" ================================================ ================================================ *** Print This Now For Future Reference *** The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than 90 days! Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN !!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ IT IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams will come true. This Multi-Level e-mail order marketing program works perfectly 100% EVERY TIME. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of this action !!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-level methods by the mid to late 1990's into the 21st century. This a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get to work. The audience started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!" My name is Jerry Proctor. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past fifteen years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share the experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One program claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year... it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT !!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much it cost me. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1..Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO.ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL. Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than my target. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Jerry Proctor P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor will anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this and several other programs here and overseas. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them! Remember though, the more YOU send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ************************************************************ "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA ************************************************************ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) - to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. * If you do not live in the USA, you can buy the $5 bills at your local bank . * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. You really need these reports, otherwise people won't be able to order anything from you and these reports hold IMPORTANT INFORMATION which you really need to make this into a success. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports. Save them on your computer so that they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the 5 reports, take this Letter and remove the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $555,550.00! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. g. Insert YOUR name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the MODIFIED list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. There are two primary methods of building your business! METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. (Using a good list the response could be much better.) Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $555,550.00 REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE !!! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ......... Grand Total = $555,550.00 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Note: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED. * Make sure you pay for the full mail costs and that you use enough stamps, especially if the person you order from lives in another country. This is really important because if you don't pay enough your mail won't arrive and you won't receive your report. Take some time to do this right, you only have to do it once and it's the base of your business. If you are not sure how many stamps you need, just ask your post office or bring the mail to them. They will make sure that it will have the correct postage. * Make sure the $5 cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper . * On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering (b) your e-mail address, (c) your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: ______________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: REUBEN MOSS P O BOX 5318,AFRIDAR 78153 ASHKELON ISRAEL ______________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: FAY HORACK 7 NEWARK STREET, BONAERO PARK KEMPTON PARK SOUTH AFRICA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: SANDRA KELLER 1239 MCCARTY AVENUE FAIRBANKS, AK 99701 USA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: AARON LEE GPO BOX 2996 BRISBANE QLD 4001 AUSTRALIA ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 5 : "HOW TO SEND 1 MILLION E-MAILS FOR FREE" ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: JAMES MICHAEL PO BOX 142 LAWNTON QLD 4501 AUSTRALIA ___________________________________________________ About 50,000 new people get online every month! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the 5 reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: * When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGEYOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR ************************************************************ This program really works. I live outside the US, in Europe and at first I had doubts, I wasn't sure if it would work and so I didn't take it very seriously. But after a while I figured "Why not?". After all, I can't loose much. I went to the bank and I bought 5 bills of $5 each. I sended the requests for the reports (I did everything just like I had to because I wanted to do everything right, so if it wouldn't work it wouldn't be my fault, but the program's) and waited. After a while the reports arrived by e-mail and I read them several times, they gave me precise information on how to let the program work and after I knew it all, I started my work. I started searching e-mail addressses everywhere (sites, magazines,...) and made long lists (I really enjoyed this because it was like a new hobby and I had nothing to loose). like crazy I started sending e-mail to people all over the world. I kept doiing this and checked the mail every day. After two weeks orders started to arrive. I remember the moment when I went to the mailbox and I found the first order for report #1. I just stood there for a moment and I said to myself: "this works, this thing f..... works !!!!" I was so happy that I started sending even more e-mails. The next day, nothing in the mail, I thought "maybe this is it" and I was a bit dissapointed but the next day I received 3 orders for report #1. i sended the reports to those people so they could start making money too (for them and for me). Two weeks later I was sitting almost 30 minutes a day before my computer sending reports to people that had ordered them. In these two weeks I received 29 orders for report #1. Profit so far: about 90 dollar. After that orders came faster and faster, every week I got hundreds of orders and the dollars kept coming. in total I received 64'000 dollar. can you believe this??? Last week I bought a new motorcycle and I owe it all to this program. if you're holding this paper right now and you're not sure whether to participate or not I can only say one thing: TRY IT, you won't regret. This is your chance, take it now or you will be sorry for the rest of your live. H.J. Moines, France. ************************************************************ My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL ************************************************************ The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Charles Morris, Esq. ************************************************************ Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA ************************************************************ I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, ..11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA *********************************************************** This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY ******************************* ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be factual or fictitious. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM !!!!! ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????? ?????????????? If you were not the intended recipient of this message, please accept my apologies and delete. Transmissions to you by the sender of this email will be stopped promptly by sending an e-mail with REMOVE in the subject line to rich at classicmail.co.za. This is not spam as we have included contact information & a remove link in accordance with the Unsolicited Commercial Electronic Mail Act of 2001. This message is sent in compliance of the new e- mail bill: SECTION 301. Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618, From faustine. at hushmail.com Thu Jan 10 16:30:19 2002 From: faustine. at hushmail.com (faustine. at hushmail.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:30:19 -0800 Subject: Prosperity through punishment (was Re: more on procmail is not mattd's friend!) Message-ID: <200201110030.g0B0UJH08679@mailserver2c.hushmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 3725 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jei at cc.hut.fi Thu Jan 10 07:09:04 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:09:04 +0200 (EET) Subject: U.S. Rep. positions against copy controls Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:08:52 -0800 From: "Ackroyd, Dan" To: "Free-Sklyarov (E-mail)" Subject: [free-sklyarov] U.S. Rep. positions against copy controls (sent again - original message did not get through) WASHINGTON--A U.S. congressman said Monday that he intended to change a controversial copyright law to allow consumers to override technologies that prevent them from making digital copies of music, movies and software. Rep. Rick Boucher, D-Va., said he plans to introduce a bill that would eliminate the "anti-circumvention" clause of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), a 1998 law that updated copyright laws for the digital era. Intended to discourage piracy, the clause has come under increasing fire over the past year by people who say it imposes severe limits on the rights of consumers to make personal backup copies or otherwise control music they have purchased. The clause has inspired high-profile court battles and made a minor celebrity out of Dmitry Sklyarov, the Russian programmer jailed for writing a program that defeated a copy-protection measure in Adobe Systems' eBook software. Boucher told an audience of musicians, lawyers and music industry executives at the Future of Music policy summit that his bill would modify section 1201 of the DMCA to allow consumers to defeat copy-protection measures for legitimate personal uses, but it would still outlaw circumvention efforts for piracy. "I'm very concerned about the DMCA," Boucher said. "There's an increasing number of instances in which unjust results are reached." .... On Monday, Boucher pointed out that Vivendi Universal's Universal Music Group will soon release its new CDs in copy-protected form, making them impossible to play on personal computers and some CD systems as well. Consumers should be able to use computer programs to defeat that copy protection, he said. ------------------------------------------- The full text can be found at: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-8396905.html?tag=mn_hd ------------------------------------------- Other interesting opinions of Rick Boucher can be on his website at: "PAY-PER-USE" SOCIETY ONE STEP CLOSER www.house.gov/boucher/docs/payperuse.htm STATEMENT OF CONGRESSMAN RICK BOUCHER ON INDICTMENT OF DMITRY SKLYAROV AND ELCOM LTD http://www.house.gov/boucher/docs/sklyarov.htm As we say in the UK, sounds like an alright geezer! If you want to send message of support to Rick Boucher, you can contact him through his web page at http://www.house.gov/boucher/ cheers dan ackroyd For and on the behalf of Dan Ackroyd. Any views included are the senders own and not those of either Intelligent Games or Electronic Arts. Unauthorised review or use of any confidential information in this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete it from any computer. yada yada yada. _______________________________________________ free-sklyarov mailing list free-sklyarov at zork.net http://zork.net/mailman/listinfo/free-sklyarov From reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 10 17:36:04 2002 From: reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk (Jose Silver) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:36:04 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200201101534.g0AFYlrd007327@ak47.algebra.com> From reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 10 17:36:05 2002 From: reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk (Jose Silver) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:36:05 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200201101545.JAA20409@einstein.ssz.com> From reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 10 17:36:06 2002 From: reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk (Jose Silver) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:36:06 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200201101534.g0AFYoo89971@locust.minder.net> From CopyANyDVD342683 at mail.ru Thu Jan 10 15:49:05 2002 From: CopyANyDVD342683 at mail.ru (CopyANyDVD342683 at mail.ru) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:49:05 -0600 Subject: Dvd Movie to CDROM!! Message-ID: <004b68c04dbe$4765d1c2$2dc03ad0@vqxldu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1022 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nobody at dizum.com Thu Jan 10 09:00:17 2002 From: nobody at dizum.com (Nomen Nescio) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:00:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: pseudo-anarchists like mattd can be self moderated! Message-ID: <3a85ddb5ae83c408bbafc43bebf3d2b1@dizum.com> hey mattd, you really should use better manners, I personally have gotten tired of reading your drivel, accordingly you have started to suffer the same fate as detweiler, cohen, vulis and others. Hoped you liked the little procmail thingie, our former resident book author, bill arnold loved it, As well as the other version which outed all of his postings directly to his supervisors in the school system. havent seen old Bill for about a couple of years now.:) with malice aforthought anonymous tentacle #69 p.s. some of us only watch, wait and strike From juicy at melontraffickers.com Thu Jan 10 19:51:29 2002 From: juicy at melontraffickers.com (A. Melon) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:51:29 -0800 Subject: Killfiling??? naw thats too easy!! Message-ID: Why should I killfile fools like mattd and others?? its MORE FUN to use procmail and villification to accomplish what I wish to... eventually the interlopers leave and the list gets back to business in spite of agent gordon and his ilk. whats a matter? Agent Gordon, CJ and bell are easy targets for threatening the shrub and mattd is NOT??? why dont you go supress his free speech rights also? So much for your tax dollars at work... the maker of net.loons tentacle #69 of the hairs of medusa ps.Medusa's sucess list detweiler sternlight vulis cohen whos next!! :) mattd? john young? only the shadow knows!! From rahettinga at EarthLink.Net Thu Jan 10 17:30:34 2002 From: rahettinga at EarthLink.Net (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:30:34 -0500 Subject: Prosperity through punishment (was Re: more on procmail is not mattd's friend!) In-Reply-To: <200201110030.g0B0UJH08679@mailserver2c.hushmail.com> References: <200201110030.g0B0UJH08679@mailserver2c.hushmail.com> Message-ID: At 4:30 PM -0800 on 1/10/02, faustine. at hushmail.com wrote: > I find it literally nauseating. > > And as I was reading it, I couldn't help remembering a passage from >Zarathustra > which bears repeating. I love it when she talks dirty... ;-). Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From jamesd at echeque.com Thu Jan 10 20:51:52 2002 From: jamesd at echeque.com (jamesd at echeque.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:51:52 -0800 Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <2DA7678C-041A-11D6-B344-00306577F12E@bounty.org> References: <384D812E-03CC-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: <3C3DFEE8.15794.354006@localhost> -- On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 04:11 PM, Tim May wrote: > > I think it is a moral necessity to kill anyone trying to > > steal anything (beyond the utterly trivial or confusable, > > e.g., one should not kill someone picking up a toy left > > out in the yard...might be a mistake, he might be trying > > to return it, etc.). Someone stealing a television or PC > > has certainly earned killing. On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 12:39 AM, Petro wrote: > Given the legal hassle that one will face if one > does that, it's just not worth it. Legal hassle depends on where you live. Most places, provided the burglar is inside, no problem. If lives long enough to get outside, drag the body back inside, and rinse away the blood. Police will not be interested in finding the evidence that he made it outside. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG E1QLOofqyQDU745GEYXnEjkJRYfQmWRNTRsaZ+r1 42qQfWDaRcdE/86FWYa9Ztcw4ZudSrK/aTOeSGAu/ From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 10 02:12:49 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:12:49 +1100 Subject: Application for return of dell heard.+ burning down the olympics. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020110204933.03297080@pop.useoz.com> 1) Anyone interested can write me direct. 2) Thanks to andrew woods for advice on filtering eudora. 3) There's been another anthrax outbreak in OZ. In 97 victoria was hit,this time its Queensland.Aussi still has a "clean green" beef industry though US secret agents could be expected to release foot and mouth here as they may have in Britain.Mad anarchist terrorists have been seen digging where corpse's fell. 4) The yahoo story on the Olympic's is interesting.Crypto-anarchists should note the continued attempted demonization of "violent" "anarchists"They refuse to even apply for demonstration licence's,Shock,Horror! The crude divide and rule tactic of attempting to split "tame" activists from "violent" gains steam ably assisted by spooks and shills in the crap corporate media.(hi declan Mc Catohead!) Do you want to come with me to Salt Lake city Yes or no?It is a question of life and death for us all. We will either conquer or die,because defeat will be so terrible that we could not survive it. But we will conquer.I have faith in our victory. I only regret that I speak to you in this space. Someday with capital abolished we will be in a free society. From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 10 03:03:38 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:03:38 +1100 Subject: The foul Peter Trei file.Sloppy corporate shill or Snitch?You decide. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020110214201.032a7ca0@pop.useoz.com> Thread Index for the period of 2001.12.17-2001.12.23 Near top-CNN on remailers- >>...This does not invalidate my point - that such special treatment could lead a remop into legal problems. We have two different problems, with mutually undesirable solutions. Peter Trei ubject: CDR: RE: CNN.com on Remailers From: "Trei, Peter" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:23:43 -0500 >>...Typical Choate, missing the point. same thread-another post.same poster. >>...In fact, spammers currently *do* send mail encrypted to the remailers' > keys. It's a pain in the ass trying to filter the damn stuff out. > > Ben Xain > bxain at redneck.gacracker.org > First I've heard that. Frankly, I'm suprised. One solution, which I've long advocated, is for the remailer to drop mail which has an unencrypted body after it's applied it's decryption key. Provided this is an announced policy, substantially increases the protection of the mail and the remop. It does mean that only people capable of using encryption can receive mail via the remailer, but that's probably a *good* thing. Peter Trei<< So,peter's here,he's contributing and not concealing corporate vested interests,so far so good. Few posts down >>CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, Anonymous CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, John Young CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, Greg Newby CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, Bill Stewart CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, D.Popkin CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, Luthor Blisset CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, John Young Re: CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, measl CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, Major Variola \(ret\) CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, Nomen Nescio CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, Petro CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, Faustine Re: CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, measl CDR: Re: Cypherpunk Ban, Anonymous User.<< Peter Trei may be "anonymouse" or Pseudynomous in this thread...or he slept through it,doesnt care,domestic/business emergency,other distraction,any number of excuses.Nowt wrong with that but then next week... >>If there's anything more annoying than a boring nut who takes up 30% of the list volume, it's a boring nut who takes up 30% of the list volume with plaigerized articles from other, much more creative and intelligent nuts. This, of course, is -named recently persecuted list member- work, as published on Declan's Politech list. Peter Trei<< The mask slips,30% of the list appears to be one spam,(20/20) Did Trei complain about that? He absolutely endangered a comrades peace and security with his inattention/carelessnes/maliciousness.Take your pick in the absence of an explanation.He has ducked questions on this while bragging about his rapacious capitalist connections and now has the gall to try and sell conference tickets here like the lowest cheap spam.Fuck the rsa company and double fuck its low running dog,Peter Trei. From jei at cc.hut.fi Thu Jan 10 12:15:35 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:15:35 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Anti_Immigration] Jewish Left vs Christian Right & Immigration Policy in America (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:50:09 EST From: Glenn0110 at aol.com Reply-To: Anti_Immigration at yahoogroups.com To: anti_immigration at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Anti_Immigration] Jewish Left vs Christian Right & Immigration Policy in America [Below is a discussion between Nissan who is a right-wing Israeli Jew and Bob from Michigan who is a Right-wing Christian that I found at http://www.lubbockonline.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000097.html - THIS IS A MUST READ.] Dear Nissan & BCC friends, What is the definition of hypocrisy? Advocating one set of rules for yourself and another set of rules for others? Jews in Israel oppose multi-culturalism but Jews in America are forcing multi-culturalism on WASP America. Jews in Israel are very strict about who can immigrate to Israel, but Jews in America have forced an immigration policy upon our nation that is 90% non-white and 95% non-Christian. [Side Bar: For more information about Jewish influence upon American Immigration policy go read "The Jewish Stake in America's Changing Demography, Reconsidering a Misguided Immigration Policy," By Stephen Steinlight at http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/back1301.html - It is written by a Jew who was formerly pro-immigration and he explains why most Jews are pro-immigration. He talks about the immense and formidable Jewish political power in America. He talks about Jewish control of Hollywood and the news media. He talks about Jewish Supremacism inculcated in young Jewish Americans. He talks about how Jews have divided loyalties and how they often put the interests of Israel ahead of American interests. He talks about the intentional program of the Internationalists to make White's a minority in America in the near future via unlimited immigration and open borders policies. He talks about the Jewish affinity for Marxism. He talks about the Jewish drive for remaking America into a pluralistic and secular society. He explains that MTV is a tool of indoctrination which is being used to promote a radical agenda that includes multi-racialism. You must read this article and pass it on. There are a growing number of Jews who are coming around to conservatism, I just hope they come around sooner rather than later.] Jews in America control and finance strongly anti-Christian groups like the ACLU, People for the American Way (PAW), Americans United for Separation of Church and State and many other such groups. This is anti-Christian bigotry. But most Jews (like you?) are only concerned about one kind of bigotry, "anti-semitism." You are completely oblivious to the anti-Christian bigotry of your fellow Jews. That is hypocrisy my friend and I am damned angry about it. It is OK for Jewish Hollywood to attack my values and beliefs in nearly EVERY DAMN MOVIE THEY MAKE IN JEWISH HOLLYWOOD, but you Jews can't stop whining about my supposed "anti-semitism." You have a double standard my friend. On the one hand you support the idea that Israel should be a nation that enshrines support for Judaism in its legal code, but on the other hand you do not think America should be a Christian nation with support for Christianity written into our legal code. Jews in America think that America should be a secular nation. I am telling you the truth when I say, I love Jews. I love the real Jews who love Moses, love the Torah, are pro-Life, anti-Homosexual, pro-Gun, anti-socialism. The real Jews are my allies in the political arena. I hate the bastard Left-wing Jews who have turned America away from her Protestant Christian roots. I want those atheist fag-loving gun-hating socialist Jews out of America. Do you likewise want those atheist fag-loving gun-hating socialist Jews out of Israel? Do you hate those atheist fag-loving gun-hating socialist Jews as much as I do? These Left-wing Jews are the CANCER OF AMERICA. It is sad to report the truth that 80 or 90% of Jews in America are far Left-wing, anti-Christian bigots who support abortion rights, homosexual rights, pornography, gun control laws, socialized medicine and environmental extremism. It is so very difficult for human beings to set aside their personal prejudices and look at each situation objectively, but that is what I am going to ask you to do. I am asking you to try to pretend that you are a Christian. I ask you to see things from my point of view. I will do the same in this email. I will try to see things from your point of view. First, let me start with an analogy. Lets pretend that you are an Israeli. Lets pretend that you are an agent in the Mossad. Lets pretend that you have penetrated to the highest levels of Bin Ladens organization. Lets say that you are at a meeting of all of the major leaders of Bin Laden's terrorist organization. At this meeting of 60 of the highest leaders of Bin Laden's organization you discover that they are planning a major terrorist action against civilians in Israel that will kill perhaps a 100, 000 Israeli's. Now here is your dilema: The Mossad has provided you with a Bomb, but you only have one bomb. This is your choice, you can use the bomb to destroy the entire leadership of your enemy, Bin Ladens terrorist organization and the approximately 60 "Generals" in Bin Laden's organization or you can go to the staging site where multiple thousands of low level but highly trained terrorists are getting ready to depart for their mission of terror in Israel. Here is the question, where do you use the bomb? Do you focus on the Generals who are the brains in the army of evil or do you focus on the far more numerous low level peons in the army of evil? Who should you try to neutralize? The leaders or the far more numerous peons. I assert that if you cut off the head the body will die. I assert that you need to focus on those who are supplying the money and the brains and the plans for the Army of evil. Here is my assertion that I hope you will agree with... it is much wiser to focus on the leadership in the army of evil. Do you agree with this as a general principle? I think it is a foregone conclusion. I think that the answer is obvious. I think it would be foolish to do anything other than focus on the leadership in the army of evil. You were wrong. You asserted that I am anti-semitic. I am not. I am focused like a laser on the Generals in the Army of evil. It is sad and unfortunate that such a high percentage of the Jews are Generals in the army of evil that is destroying America. I want you to get inside the heart of a Christian. I want you to see things from a Christian point of view. Please try very hard. Now lets look at the facts about Jews in America and the wealth they control and the influence they wield in our nations capital. These atheist liberal Jews are extremely powerful and they are totally anti-Christian. The liberal Jews who control Hollywood are using their media to indoctrinate the American populace in pro-homosexual, pro-sexual immorality, anti-Christian, anti-conservative concepts of every kind. The liberal Jews who control the ACLU are viciously anti-Christian and are destroying America's Christian underpinnings. Please I beg you to go into your prayer closet and pray before writing back to me. Ask YHWH to help you to see things from a Christian point of view. Lets look at what these Jews, who are generals in the army of evil, that is destroying the moral fabric of America, lets look at what they have done. Hollywood has mocked family values for decades. Hollywood has promoted sex outside of marriage and promoted the entire sexual revolution. Hollywood has warped the thinking of several generations of American youth until we have reached the point where our families are in near total chaos. I blame this on the army of evil called liberalism. Who are the "generals" in the army of evil liberalism in America? It is true that without Jewish money the Democratic party would fold. It is true that 50% of the money that goes to the Democratic party comes from Jews, which is very shocking when you consider that Jews are only 2% of the total population in America. Please try to see this from the conservative Christian point of view. These Jews are wrecking our nation. Yes there are a 100 times, a thousand times more liberals who are non-Jews. But friend we need to look at the Generals in the army of evil and see what percentage of the Generals are liberal Jews. We need to see what percentage of the money that finances left-wing organizations, comes from Jews. Friend, you know better than I do how much money the liberal Jews give to support the entire panopoly of far left-wing organizations. I am asserting that if all Jews in America were right wing, the Democratic party would be DEAD. Liberalism would be DEAD! Jews have lead or financed every far left-wing cause in America. Were there a 100 times more non-Jews in these left-wing organizations, YES, but they had neither the money nor the positions of power in those left-wing org's that the Jews did. These atheist Jews are the Generals in satan army of evil that is wrecking America. This information is not anti-semitic. This is truth. You know that I am not lying. You know that everything I have written in this email is factual. It is very sad that 80 to 90% of American Jews are far left-wing. It is very sad that most Jews support the Clintons, support the homosexual rights movement, support the ACLU, support gun control laws, support banning every mention of Christianity from the public schools, support the marxist feminist movement, support the interpretation of the first amendment to include pornography, support socialized medicine and support socialism and big government in general. It is very sad that Jews were in the forefront of the communist movement in every western nation. It is very sad that Jews have been deceived and have rejected Moses, rejected G-ds Law and have rejected G-d himself. But it is time for you to come to grips with this truth: Jews have been very damaging to America. Will you list all the good things Jews have done? Scientific and medical discoveries, etc, etc. I will list a hundred times more damaging things that these atheist liberal Jews have done to America. It is the liberal Jews, the so called Jewish "humanists" who have brought America to this point of moral implosion. They have been weighed in the scales of justice and they have been found wanting. THIS INFORMATION IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC. THIS IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. STOP USING THAT BLUDGEON ON ME. I AM NOT ANTI-SEMITIC. If you call me anti-semitic then what names shall be left for you to use on the real haters, the real Nazi's? I DO NOT HATE ALL JEWS. I love you and I love all of the Jews who are politically conservative and allies of the Christian Right. I would love to have you as a neighbor and I welcome conservative Jews like you into my heart and into our nation. But further than that I don't even wish ill for the liberal Jews. I wish that you would convert them to Judaism. I wish you would convert them to believe in the G-d of Abraham, Issac and Jacob and turn them away from their current state of atheism. Yes, I focus on the Jews and I insist that it is not anti-semitic for me to do so. I attack the Jews because I see them as the Generals in the evil army of those promoting the leftist agenda that is destroying all that I hold dear. This is self-defense and nothing more. These atheist liberal Jews are super wealthy, super successful and super influential and they are using all of that power to destroy the America that I knew in my youth. It is not wrong and it is not anti-semitic to tell this truth. Now I am going to try to see things from your point of view. Help me if I misunderstand. The Jewish people have collective memories of thousands of years of persecution culminating in the Holocaust. You and other Jews look at the things I write and your first thought is about where thinking like this could lead if the majority of Christians started thinking this way about Jews. It is a frightening thought to a Jew. So even if this Bob guy is a decent fellow and he is not really one of the haters, you must marginalize Bob because of the potential fearful possibilities of these ideas about Jews spreading in the minds of the sheeple. I can feel the fear in my own heart. If I was a Jew I also would fear such thoughts and such writings because of the potential end result of such ideas becoming dominant in the minds of the majority populace. I think I understand your point of view (Do you understand mine?). But my answer to you is to work harder on converting Jews to conservatism and converting Jews to faithful Judaism so that they are not enemies of the Christian Right. The answer is NOT to shut up the truth about what 80 to 90% of Jews are doing in America. The answer is NOT to belittle and disparage a sincere Christian who is acting only in self-defense by calling him an ANTI-SEMITE! Can you see things from my point of view? I am sincerely yours with the greatest of respect for you, Your friend, Bob from Michigan. PS - I do not believe in "conspiracy theory." I believe that all of history is a battle of ideas. I believe that most Jews are my enemy in the battle of ideas, so please stop trying to tag me with the "conspiracy" label. PPS - SEE MY COMMENTS ON YOUR LETTER IN ALL "CAPS" BELOW. From anonymous at cryptofortress.com Thu Jan 10 20:16:46 2002 From: anonymous at cryptofortress.com (Anonymous) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:16:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Reformatted] Are your documents really wiped? (Backups vs. policy) References: <3C3E0885.7AEBE0D5@cdc.gov> Message-ID: <33136de63bc63f9ab29c3f5a6c1639a9@remailer.cryptofortress.com> mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola ret) writes: > excerpted from > http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/jan/10/011009613.html > The Big Five accounting firm said in a statement that in recent > months, electronic files and other documents related to its auditing > of Enron had been destroyed or deleted. > > Chicago-based Andersen said its company policy "required in certain > circumstances the destruction of certain types of documents." > > However, the firm said, millions of documents related to Enron still > exist, and it has managed to retrieve some of the deleted electronic > files. Andersen said it is continuing retrieval efforts through > electronic backup files, "and is continuing in its efforts to fully > learn and understand all the facts related to this issue." > > ...... Sounds like someone needed to store (and backup) their docs > encrypted, then lose the key.. From measl at mfn.org Thu Jan 10 20:19:48 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:19:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: Killfiling??? naw thats too easy!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, A. Melon wrote: > Why should I killfile fools like mattd and others?? its MORE FUN to > use procmail and villification to accomplish what I wish to... Why vilification? Isn't simple shitcanning the worst possible fate (by extension, the direct personal suppression of his/her ideas)? As for any attempt, direct or indirect, at censorship of mattd's unmedicated outbursts: by trying to silence his communication to others, we start that inevitable slide. > eventually the interlopers leave and the list gets back to > business in spite of agent gordon and his ilk. whats a matter? > Agent Gordon, CJ and bell are easy targets for threatening the shrub > and mattd is NOT??? As mattd is at least _supposedly_ a resident of another continent, Gordon & Company probably don't consider him worth the effort - remember, they are not interested in having to actually *work* for a living: if it's not hanging low enough to practically touch the ground, it's not fruit that they care to sample. > why dont you go supress his free speech rights also? > So much for your tax dollars at work... Hey, I don't know about *your* tax dollars, but *mine* have been hard at work suppressing free speech and killing innocents for over twenty five years! Has anyone here considered that mattd may be a form of DOS attack? That he/she/it may in fact be a paid (or otherwise compensated) proxy of Gordon's? Surely I can't be the only one who has seriously considered this... > detweiler > sternlight > vulis > cohen > whos next!! :) > > mattd? > > john young? See what I mean? The inclination of that slope is rising already :-( -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From anonymous at mixmaster.nullify.org Thu Jan 10 20:50:04 2002 From: anonymous at mixmaster.nullify.org (Incognito Innominatus) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:50:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: more on procmail is not mattd's friend! Message-ID: <288536c112aed8d548728ef2cda5d493@mixmaster.nullify.org> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Anonymous wrote: > Have fun mattd(as I am sure you already are!) > this script allows anyone to return comments to mattd without effort. This, of course, is incredibly rude to the remailer operators. From jbovard at his.com Thu Jan 10 23:21:08 2002 From: jbovard at his.com (Jim Bovard) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:21:08 -0800 Subject: Matt - Fighting Terrorism, Saving Tyrants Message-ID: Matt: Thought you might enjoy this bouquet for the war on terrorism. take it easy, Jim USA Today January 10, 2002 Don't bed down with tyrants to fight terrorism By James Bovard President Bush recently declared: "So long as anybody's terrorizing established governments, there needs to be a war." Bush rightfully sought international support for the campaign to put the al_Qaeda terrorist network out of business. But the war on terrorism threatens to become a license for tyranny. The United Nations is concerned that an expansive call for governments to crack down on terrorism - a crime that is not clearly defined - is spurring a surge of oppression around the world. Los Angeles Times writer William Orme detailed some of the ways governments are exploiting the new war to repress their citizens: The Cuban government, as part of its war on terrorism, added a new law allowing the death penalty for anyone who uses the Internet to incite political violence. Zimbabwe's war on terrorism includes a proposal to criminalize any critical comment about President_dictator Robert Mugabe. Syria bragged to the U.N. that financial support for terrorists was effectively curtailed by the absence of any private banking system or independent charities, Orme reported. In other words, a government that totally destroys freedom expects to be applauded as an anti_terrorist superstar. Bacre Waly Ndiaye, a chief U.N. human_rights officer, recently complained: "In some countries, non_violent activities have been considered as terrorism, and excessive measures have been taken to suppress or restrict individual rights, including the presumption of innocence, the right to a fair trial, freedom from torture, privacy rights, freedom of expression and assembly, and the right to seek asylum." Many of these complaints, in fact, apply to the actions of the Bush administration. A new law decimates individual privacy by giving the FBI the de facto right to vacuum up practically anyone's e_mail. Permanent resident aliens who publicly criticize the U.S. government's war on terrorism can be banned from re_entering the United States. Some have floated the suggestion that permitting the torture of suspects could help avert future terrorist attacks. And Bush's executive order for military tribunals threatens to bring unsavory aspects of Third World "justice" to American shores. A myopic focus on private_sector criminals risks giving a green light to more dangerous government abuses. A core fallacy of the war on terrorism - as opposed to attacking and destroying al_Qaeda - is that terrorism is worse than anything else imaginable. Unfortunately, governments have committed far worse abuses than al_Qaeda or any other terrorist cabal. Official murderers Mass murder was the most memorable achievement of some 20th_century governments. The Black Book of Communism, a 1997 scholarly French compendium, detailed how 85 million to 100 million people came to die at the hands of communist regimes in the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia and elsewhere. In Death by Government, R.J. Rummel declared that some 170 million people were killed in one of "the myriad ways governments have inflicted death on unarmed, helpless citizens and foreigners." By raising terrorist attacks to the pinnacle of political evil, the war on terrorism implicitly sanctifies whatever tactic governments use in the name of repressing terrorism. But, in the long run, people have far more to fear from governments than from terrorists. Bush's labeling of attacks on any "established government" as a justification of counterterrorism ignores the fact that some governments are little more than criminal conspiracies against their victims. The United States was created as a result of popular uprisings and attacks on an established government that was far less oppressive than many current regimes in Africa and Asia. The Bush administration must find a way to fight terrorism without sanctifying tyranny. The word "terrorism" must not become an incantation that miraculously razes all existing limits on government power. The fact that governments such as Syria and Zimbabwe can justify their oppression by invoking the war against terrorism is an embarrassment to anyone who both opposes terrorism and favors human rights. James Bovard is the author of Lost Rights (St. Martin's Press, 1994) and Freedom in Chains (St. Martin's, 1999). http://www.usatoday.com/news/comment/2002/01/10/ncguest2.htm ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 10 04:25:08 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:25:08 +1100 Subject: Uncrackable one time keys...for a price. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020110231802.032a89a0@pop.useoz.com> Your secret's safe The ephemeral signals that flood the airwaves are the key to creating an uncrackable code, says Michael Brooks 5-jan-02 New Scientist.Looks like this... http://humboldt.sunyit.edu/553/The%20Key%20Vanishes-Scientist%20Outlines%20Unbreakable%20Code.htm or same difference http://www.d.umn.edu/~ccrouch/4821/HWK4/unbreakable.html With the addition,"send money."in the NS,story.Ill write more on it in a day or 2.Kill the president. Direct action_ is what it's all about. Undermining the state through the spread of espionage networks, through undermining faith in the tax system, through even more direct applications of the right tools at the right times. When Cypherpunks are called "terrorists," we will have done our jobs. Font: Daschle-Anthrax-Bold From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 10 04:43:09 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:43:09 +1100 Subject: Goldmember Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020110233330.032b40b0@pop.useoz.com> Mr Godsell rejected criticism that AngloGold's proposal to form a global co-operation pact with Canadian gold giant Barrick Gold was not clear. No formal deal has been signed, but the miners propose to extract synergies from neighbouring assets, starting in Australia and Africa. In particular, AngloGold plans to sell Barrick sole management rights at the Kalgoorlie Super Pit (owned by Normandy and Barrick), and offer a stake in the 15 million ounce Boddington project south of Perth, should its bid succeed. "In my view (the proposal) is very clear," Mr Godsell said. Many analysts believe the proposal could be a prelude to a formal alliance between the two groups, an outcome Mr Godsell refused to rule out: "Could this lead to greater things? Well perhaps. The agreements are pretty clear and are ... quite meaningful." Why is a Canadian company's successful libel suit against a British newspaper a possible threat to your ability to get uncensored news on the internet? The story of reporter Greg Palast and the Bush family-linked Barrick Mining Corporation will make that clear. We'll hear from Greg Palast, who writes for the UK-based Observer. [listen to this section] http://www.webactive.com/webactive/cspin/cspin20010810.html and http://www.gregpalast.com/ From david at morningwood.net Thu Jan 10 21:46:34 2002 From: david at morningwood.net (david) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:46:34 -0600 Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <3C3DFEE8.15794.354006@localhost> References: <384D812E-03CC-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> <3C3DFEE8.15794.354006@localhost> Message-ID: <02011023463400.11143@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday 10 January 2002 10:51 pm, jamesd at echeque.com wrote: > Legal hassle depends on where you live. Most places, > provided the burglar is inside, no problem. If lives long > enough to get outside, drag the body back inside, and rinse > away the blood. Police will not be interested in finding the > evidence that he made it outside. In Texas deadly force is legally justified to prevent the immenent commission of burglary. This means you can shoot if someone is getting ready to break in. You don't have to wait until they are inside. The Texas penal code requires that you retreat instead of using deadly force if you have the option unless you are using deadly force against someone who is unlawfully entering your habitation. In that case you don't have to retreat even if you can. Some states require you to retreat even if you are in your home if you can. It is a myth that if someone is crawling through your window and he falls outside after you shoot him that you need to pull the body inside. You are foolish if you think that a forensic team can't tell how the shooting took place and that the body was moved. Any jurisdiction that will prosecute and convict someone because the body of a person attempting burglary happens to be on the outside instead of the inside will certainly prosecute and get a conviction for tampering with the evidence. Tampering with the evidence will also be considered evidence of guilt of murder rather than self defense. From david at morningwood.net Thu Jan 10 21:53:05 2002 From: david at morningwood.net (david) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:53:05 -0600 Subject: test, ignore In-Reply-To: <3C3DFEE8.15794.354006@localhost> References: <384D812E-03CC-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> <3C3DFEE8.15794.354006@localhost> Message-ID: <02011023530501.11143@localhost.localdomain> From declan at well.com Thu Jan 10 21:00:47 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:00:47 -0500 Subject: Killfiling??? naw thats too easy!! In-Reply-To: ; from measl@mfn.org on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:19:48PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020111000046.B11744@cluebot.com> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:19:48PM -0600, measl at mfn.org wrote: > As mattd is at least _supposedly_ a resident of another continent, Gordon & Well, FWIW, I interviewed him by calling an Australian telephone number when the Ohio cops were on his trail; an Australian journalist confirms mattd/proffr lives there (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02099.html); the Australian press had some coverage (though no photos) of his problems with the local constabulary. See: http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=proffr > Company probably don't consider him worth the effort - remember, they are > not interested in having to actually *work* for a living: if it's not hanging > low enough to practically touch the ground, it's not fruit that they care to > sample. A Secret Service agent reportedly showed up at one of mattd/proffr's hearings. 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After Friday's activity has ended, a legal vigil will be held in Union Square, followed by a spokes council, to which each affinity group is invited to send a representative. Please send a member who is familiar with the processes of facilitation and consensus. February 2nd (Saturday) will be the universal day of action against the World Economic Forum. Legal marches and rallies are being planned by The Another World Coalition and The International ANSWER Coalition. ACCNYC is in the process of determining its role in the street action. More info will be available soon. Check back for scenario updates: www.accnyc.org THE REGIONAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING AGAINST THE WEF Saturday, January 19 @ 2pm Chashama Theatre - 129 W 42nd St (Between Bdway & 6th in Times Sq) The NYC Anti-Capitalist Convergence calls on all anarchists and anti-authoritarians to join us for a regional organizational meeting in preparation for the mass mobilization against the WEF, January 31 to February 4. 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f6s3v --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Fri Jan 11 05:28:13 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:28:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: The Tortured Genius Behind Game Theory (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:28:50 -0600 From: nnburk Reply-To: sci-tech at ssz.com To: "sci-tech at einstein.ssz.com" , Cryptography Mailing List Subject: The Tortured Genius Behind Game Theory The Tortured Genius Behind Game Theory: A Beautiful Mind A Biography of John Forbes Nash Jr., Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, 1994 By Sylvia Nasar A Book Review: http://www.businessweek.com/1998/25/b3583103.htm -- ***************************************** * Nancy Noell Burk * * Planetscape Enterprises * * http://www.planetscapeenterprises.com * * mailto:planetscape at hushmail.com * * 605-664-6582 * * fax 810-963-0969 * ***************************************** From ravage at ssz.com Fri Jan 11 05:34:00 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:34:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <02011023463400.11143@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, david wrote: > On Thursday 10 January 2002 10:51 pm, jamesd at echeque.com wrote: > > > Legal hassle depends on where you live. Most places, > > provided the burglar is inside, no problem. If lives long > > enough to get outside, drag the body back inside, and rinse > > away the blood. Police will not be interested in finding the > > evidence that he made it outside. > > In Texas deadly force is legally justified to prevent the immenent commission > of burglary. Actually it isn't. > This means you can shoot if someone is getting ready to break > in. You don't have to wait until they are inside. Actualy they only time you can shoot somebody like this is AFTER DARK, there are other caviats as well. > The Texas penal code > requires that you retreat instead of using deadly force if you have the > option unless you are using deadly force against someone who is unlawfully > entering your habitation. In that case you don't have to retreat even if you > can. Better check that one again. Can't booby trap either. I've been burglarized three times. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Fri Jan 11 05:50:37 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:50:37 -0600 Subject: Text of Texas Penal Code Sec. 9.42. Message-ID: <3C3EEDAD.5ABBE95C@ssz.com> http://www.bakers-legal-pages.com/pc/0942.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From david at morningwood.net Fri Jan 11 06:27:01 2002 From: david at morningwood.net (david) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:27:01 -0600 Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02011108270102.11143@localhost.localdomain> On Friday 11 January 2002 07:34 am, Jim Choate wrote: > > In Texas deadly force is legally justified to prevent the imminent > > commission of burglary. > > Actually it isn't. > > > This means you can shoot if someone is getting ready to break > > in. You don't have to wait until they are inside. > > Actualy they only time you can shoot somebody like this is AFTER DARK, > there are other caviats as well. > If you will reread your own link to the Penal code you see that only theft and criminal mischief have the nighttime stipulation. Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property: ~ ~ (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and ~ ~ (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary: ~ ~ ~ (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or ~ ~ ~ (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and ~ ~ (3) he reasonably believes that: ~ ~ ~ (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or ~ ~ ~ (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. > > The Texas penal code > > requires that you retreat instead of using deadly force if you have the > > option unless you are using deadly force against someone who is > > unlawfully entering your habitation. In that case you don't have to > > retreat even if you can. > > Better check that one again. > >I've been burglarized three times. The following statute is the one that says you have to retreat unless you are at home. I am a Texas Department of Public Safety certified Concealed Handgun License instructor. Commander Rodriquez, the DPS use of force instructor explained that "immenent commision" means someone is getting ready to do something. The statutes say that you have to have a reasonable belief that someone is about to commit one of the above crimes and that deadly force is necessary to prevent it. You don't even have to be right. You just have to be able to explain to a jury why you belief was reaonable. Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another: ~ ~ (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; ~ ~ (2) if a reasonable person in the actor's situation would not have retreated; and ~ ~ (3) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary: ~ ~ ~ (A) to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or ~ ~ ~ (B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery. ~ (b) [added 9/1/95] The requirement imposed by Subsection (a)(2) does not apply to an actor who uses force against a person who is at the time of the use of force committing an offense of unlawful entry in the habitation of the actor. > Can't booby trap either. > The following statute says that you can install devices if they don't cause death or serious bodily injury. Punji sticks are verboten. 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After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much it cost me. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1..Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO.ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL. Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than my target. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Jerry Proctor P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor will anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this and several other programs here and overseas. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them! Remember though, the more YOU send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ************************************************************ "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA ************************************************************ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) - to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. * If you do not live in the USA, you can buy the $5 bills at your local bank . * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. You really need these reports, otherwise people won't be able to order anything from you and these reports hold IMPORTANT INFORMATION which you really need to make this into a success. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports. Save them on your computer so that they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the 5 reports, take this Letter and remove the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $555,550.00! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. g. Insert YOUR name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the MODIFIED list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. There are two primary methods of building your business! METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. (Using a good list the response could be much better.) Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $555,550.00 REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE !!! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ......... Grand Total = $555,550.00 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Note: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED. * Make sure you pay for the full mail costs and that you use enough stamps, especially if the person you order from lives in another country. This is really important because if you don't pay enough your mail won't arrive and you won't receive your report. Take some time to do this right, you only have to do it once and it's the base of your business. If you are not sure how many stamps you need, just ask your post office or bring the mail to them. They will make sure that it will have the correct postage. * Make sure the $5 cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper . * On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering (b) your e-mail address, (c) your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: ______________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: REUBEN MOSS P O BOX 5318,AFRIDAR 78153 ASHKELON ISRAEL ______________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: FAY HORACK 7 NEWARK STREET, BONAERO PARK KEMPTON PARK SOUTH AFRICA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: SANDRA KELLER 1239 MCCARTY AVENUE FAIRBANKS, AK 99701 USA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: AARON LEE GPO BOX 2996 BRISBANE QLD 4001 AUSTRALIA ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 5 : "HOW TO SEND 1 MILLION E-MAILS FOR FREE" ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: JAMES MICHAEL PO BOX 142 LAWNTON QLD 4501 AUSTRALIA ___________________________________________________ About 50,000 new people get online every month! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the 5 reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: * When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGEYOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR ************************************************************ This program really works. I live outside the US, in Europe and at first I had doubts, I wasn't sure if it would work and so I didn't take it very seriously. But after a while I figured "Why not?". After all, I can't loose much. I went to the bank and I bought 5 bills of $5 each. I sended the requests for the reports (I did everything just like I had to because I wanted to do everything right, so if it wouldn't work it wouldn't be my fault, but the program's) and waited. After a while the reports arrived by e-mail and I read them several times, they gave me precise information on how to let the program work and after I knew it all, I started my work. I started searching e-mail addressses everywhere (sites, magazines,...) and made long lists (I really enjoyed this because it was like a new hobby and I had nothing to loose). like crazy I started sending e-mail to people all over the world. I kept doiing this and checked the mail every day. After two weeks orders started to arrive. I remember the moment when I went to the mailbox and I found the first order for report #1. I just stood there for a moment and I said to myself: "this works, this thing f..... works !!!!" I was so happy that I started sending even more e-mails. The next day, nothing in the mail, I thought "maybe this is it" and I was a bit dissapointed but the next day I received 3 orders for report #1. i sended the reports to those people so they could start making money too (for them and for me). Two weeks later I was sitting almost 30 minutes a day before my computer sending reports to people that had ordered them. In these two weeks I received 29 orders for report #1. Profit so far: about 90 dollar. After that orders came faster and faster, every week I got hundreds of orders and the dollars kept coming. in total I received 64'000 dollar. can you believe this??? Last week I bought a new motorcycle and I owe it all to this program. if you're holding this paper right now and you're not sure whether to participate or not I can only say one thing: TRY IT, you won't regret. This is your chance, take it now or you will be sorry for the rest of your live. H.J. Moines, France. ************************************************************ My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL ************************************************************ The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Charles Morris, Esq. ************************************************************ Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA ************************************************************ I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, ..11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA *********************************************************** This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY ******************************* ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be factual or fictitious. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM !!!!! ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????? ?????????????? If you were not the intended recipient of this message, please accept my apologies and delete. Transmissions to you by the sender of this email will be stopped promptly by sending an e-mail with REMOVE in the subject line to rich at classicmail.co.za. This is not spam as we have included contact information & a remove link in accordance with the Unsolicited Commercial Electronic Mail Act of 2001. This message is sent in compliance of the new e- mail bill: SECTION 301. Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618, From reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 11 09:03:09 2002 From: reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk (Jose Silver 2) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:03:09 Subject: INTERNET BUSINESS PROGRAM-BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Message-ID: <200201110702.g0B71rnt032076@ak47.algebra.com> Dear Friend & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV : ''Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time'' THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one lady had to say: '' Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received a total of $ 610,470.00 n 21 weeks, with money still coming in''. Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey ========================================================= Here is another testimonial: ''' this program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, === PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ========== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following... ==============THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN !!! =========== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL ======= DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! =========== ============ Order all 5 reports shown on the list below´=============== DO NOT DELETE- PRINT IT, READ IT AND MAKE SOME BIG BUCKS. IT HAS WORKED SO WELL, THIS IS MY THIRD TIME AROUND. I QUIT MY BORING JOB. NOW I WORK AT THIS BUSINESS ABOUT ONE OR TWO HOURS A DAY PROCESSING ORDERS, INCLUDING MY DRIVE TO THE BANK! SO GO FOR IT, YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID! EARN $100,000 PER YEAR SENDING E-MAIL!!! Dear Friend, You can earn $50,000 or more in the next 90 days sending e-mail. Seem Impossible? Read on for details; is there a catch; NO, there is no catch, just send your emails and be on your way to financial freedom. "AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION" Thank you for your time and interest. This is the letter you've been reading about in the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the program. This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way to make some extra money at home. The results of this show have been truly remarkable. So many people are participating that those involved are doing, much better than ever before. Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting to be a part of lately. You will understand once you experience it. "HERE IT IS BELOW" ================================================ ================================================ *** Print This Now For Future Reference *** The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than 90 days! Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN !!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ IT IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams will come true. This Multi-Level e-mail order marketing program works perfectly 100% EVERY TIME. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of this action !!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-level methods by the mid to late 1990's into the 21st century. This a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get to work. The audience started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!" My name is Jerry Proctor. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past fifteen years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share the experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One program claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year... it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT !!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much it cost me. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1..Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO.ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL. Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than my target. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Jerry Proctor P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor will anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this and several other programs here and overseas. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them! Remember though, the more YOU send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ************************************************************ "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA ************************************************************ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) - to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. * If you do not live in the USA, you can buy the $5 bills at your local bank . * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. You really need these reports, otherwise people won't be able to order anything from you and these reports hold IMPORTANT INFORMATION which you really need to make this into a success. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports. Save them on your computer so that they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the 5 reports, take this Letter and remove the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $555,550.00! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. g. Insert YOUR name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the MODIFIED list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. There are two primary methods of building your business! METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. (Using a good list the response could be much better.) Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $555,550.00 REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE !!! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ......... Grand Total = $555,550.00 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Note: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED. * Make sure you pay for the full mail costs and that you use enough stamps, especially if the person you order from lives in another country. This is really important because if you don't pay enough your mail won't arrive and you won't receive your report. Take some time to do this right, you only have to do it once and it's the base of your business. If you are not sure how many stamps you need, just ask your post office or bring the mail to them. They will make sure that it will have the correct postage. * Make sure the $5 cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper . * On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering (b) your e-mail address, (c) your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: ______________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: REUBEN MOSS P O BOX 5318,AFRIDAR 78153 ASHKELON ISRAEL ______________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: FAY HORACK 7 NEWARK STREET, BONAERO PARK KEMPTON PARK SOUTH AFRICA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: SANDRA KELLER 1239 MCCARTY AVENUE FAIRBANKS, AK 99701 USA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: AARON LEE GPO BOX 2996 BRISBANE QLD 4001 AUSTRALIA ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 5 : "HOW TO SEND 1 MILLION E-MAILS FOR FREE" ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: JAMES MICHAEL PO BOX 142 LAWNTON QLD 4501 AUSTRALIA ___________________________________________________ About 50,000 new people get online every month! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the 5 reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: * When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGEYOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR ************************************************************ This program really works. I live outside the US, in Europe and at first I had doubts, I wasn't sure if it would work and so I didn't take it very seriously. But after a while I figured "Why not?". After all, I can't loose much. I went to the bank and I bought 5 bills of $5 each. I sended the requests for the reports (I did everything just like I had to because I wanted to do everything right, so if it wouldn't work it wouldn't be my fault, but the program's) and waited. After a while the reports arrived by e-mail and I read them several times, they gave me precise information on how to let the program work and after I knew it all, I started my work. I started searching e-mail addressses everywhere (sites, magazines,...) and made long lists (I really enjoyed this because it was like a new hobby and I had nothing to loose). like crazy I started sending e-mail to people all over the world. I kept doiing this and checked the mail every day. After two weeks orders started to arrive. I remember the moment when I went to the mailbox and I found the first order for report #1. I just stood there for a moment and I said to myself: "this works, this thing f..... works !!!!" I was so happy that I started sending even more e-mails. The next day, nothing in the mail, I thought "maybe this is it" and I was a bit dissapointed but the next day I received 3 orders for report #1. i sended the reports to those people so they could start making money too (for them and for me). Two weeks later I was sitting almost 30 minutes a day before my computer sending reports to people that had ordered them. In these two weeks I received 29 orders for report #1. Profit so far: about 90 dollar. After that orders came faster and faster, every week I got hundreds of orders and the dollars kept coming. in total I received 64'000 dollar. can you believe this??? Last week I bought a new motorcycle and I owe it all to this program. if you're holding this paper right now and you're not sure whether to participate or not I can only say one thing: TRY IT, you won't regret. This is your chance, take it now or you will be sorry for the rest of your live. H.J. Moines, France. ************************************************************ My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL ************************************************************ The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Charles Morris, Esq. ************************************************************ Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA ************************************************************ I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, ..11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA *********************************************************** This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY ******************************* ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be factual or fictitious. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM !!!!! ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????? ?????????????? If you were not the intended recipient of this message, please accept my apologies and delete. Transmissions to you by the sender of this email will be stopped promptly by sending an e-mail with REMOVE in the subject line to rich at classicmail.co.za. This is not spam as we have included contact information & a remove link in accordance with the Unsolicited Commercial Electronic Mail Act of 2001. This message is sent in compliance of the new e- mail bill: SECTION 301. Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618, From reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 11 09:03:13 2002 From: reicheruk at yahoo.co.uk (Jose Silver 2) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:03:13 Subject: INTERNET BUSINESS PROGRAM-BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Message-ID: <200201110702.g0B721o24418@locust.minder.net> Dear Friend & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV : ''Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time'' THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one lady had to say: '' Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received a total of $ 610,470.00 n 21 weeks, with money still coming in''. Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey ========================================================= Here is another testimonial: ''' this program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, === PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ========== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following... ==============THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN !!! =========== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL ======= DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! =========== ============ Order all 5 reports shown on the list below´=============== DO NOT DELETE- PRINT IT, READ IT AND MAKE SOME BIG BUCKS. IT HAS WORKED SO WELL, THIS IS MY THIRD TIME AROUND. I QUIT MY BORING JOB. NOW I WORK AT THIS BUSINESS ABOUT ONE OR TWO HOURS A DAY PROCESSING ORDERS, INCLUDING MY DRIVE TO THE BANK! SO GO FOR IT, YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID! EARN $100,000 PER YEAR SENDING E-MAIL!!! Dear Friend, You can earn $50,000 or more in the next 90 days sending e-mail. Seem Impossible? Read on for details; is there a catch; NO, there is no catch, just send your emails and be on your way to financial freedom. "AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION" Thank you for your time and interest. This is the letter you've been reading about in the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the program. This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way to make some extra money at home. The results of this show have been truly remarkable. So many people are participating that those involved are doing, much better than ever before. Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting to be a part of lately. You will understand once you experience it. "HERE IT IS BELOW" ================================================ ================================================ *** Print This Now For Future Reference *** The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than 90 days! Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN !!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ IT IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams will come true. This Multi-Level e-mail order marketing program works perfectly 100% EVERY TIME. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of this action !!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-level methods by the mid to late 1990's into the 21st century. This a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get to work. The audience started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!" My name is Jerry Proctor. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past fifteen years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share the experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One program claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year... it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT !!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much it cost me. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1..Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO.ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL. Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than my target. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Jerry Proctor P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor will anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this and several other programs here and overseas. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them! Remember though, the more YOU send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ************************************************************ "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA ************************************************************ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) - to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. * If you do not live in the USA, you can buy the $5 bills at your local bank . * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. You really need these reports, otherwise people won't be able to order anything from you and these reports hold IMPORTANT INFORMATION which you really need to make this into a success. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports. Save them on your computer so that they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the 5 reports, take this Letter and remove the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $555,550.00! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. g. Insert YOUR name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the MODIFIED list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. There are two primary methods of building your business! METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. (Using a good list the response could be much better.) Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $555,550.00 REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE !!! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ......... Grand Total = $555,550.00 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Note: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED. * Make sure you pay for the full mail costs and that you use enough stamps, especially if the person you order from lives in another country. This is really important because if you don't pay enough your mail won't arrive and you won't receive your report. Take some time to do this right, you only have to do it once and it's the base of your business. If you are not sure how many stamps you need, just ask your post office or bring the mail to them. They will make sure that it will have the correct postage. * Make sure the $5 cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper . * On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering (b) your e-mail address, (c) your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: ______________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: REUBEN MOSS P O BOX 5318,AFRIDAR 78153 ASHKELON ISRAEL ______________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: FAY HORACK 7 NEWARK STREET, BONAERO PARK KEMPTON PARK SOUTH AFRICA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: SANDRA KELLER 1239 MCCARTY AVENUE FAIRBANKS, AK 99701 USA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: AARON LEE GPO BOX 2996 BRISBANE QLD 4001 AUSTRALIA ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 5 : "HOW TO SEND 1 MILLION E-MAILS FOR FREE" ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: JAMES MICHAEL PO BOX 142 LAWNTON QLD 4501 AUSTRALIA ___________________________________________________ About 50,000 new people get online every month! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the 5 reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: * When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGEYOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR ************************************************************ This program really works. I live outside the US, in Europe and at first I had doubts, I wasn't sure if it would work and so I didn't take it very seriously. But after a while I figured "Why not?". After all, I can't loose much. I went to the bank and I bought 5 bills of $5 each. I sended the requests for the reports (I did everything just like I had to because I wanted to do everything right, so if it wouldn't work it wouldn't be my fault, but the program's) and waited. After a while the reports arrived by e-mail and I read them several times, they gave me precise information on how to let the program work and after I knew it all, I started my work. I started searching e-mail addressses everywhere (sites, magazines,...) and made long lists (I really enjoyed this because it was like a new hobby and I had nothing to loose). like crazy I started sending e-mail to people all over the world. I kept doiing this and checked the mail every day. After two weeks orders started to arrive. I remember the moment when I went to the mailbox and I found the first order for report #1. I just stood there for a moment and I said to myself: "this works, this thing f..... works !!!!" I was so happy that I started sending even more e-mails. The next day, nothing in the mail, I thought "maybe this is it" and I was a bit dissapointed but the next day I received 3 orders for report #1. i sended the reports to those people so they could start making money too (for them and for me). Two weeks later I was sitting almost 30 minutes a day before my computer sending reports to people that had ordered them. In these two weeks I received 29 orders for report #1. Profit so far: about 90 dollar. After that orders came faster and faster, every week I got hundreds of orders and the dollars kept coming. in total I received 64'000 dollar. can you believe this??? Last week I bought a new motorcycle and I owe it all to this program. if you're holding this paper right now and you're not sure whether to participate or not I can only say one thing: TRY IT, you won't regret. This is your chance, take it now or you will be sorry for the rest of your live. H.J. Moines, France. ************************************************************ My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL ************************************************************ The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Charles Morris, Esq. ************************************************************ Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA ************************************************************ I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, ..11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA *********************************************************** This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY ******************************* ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be factual or fictitious. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM !!!!! ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????? ?????????????? If you were not the intended recipient of this message, please accept my apologies and delete. Transmissions to you by the sender of this email will be stopped promptly by sending an e-mail with REMOVE in the subject line to rich at classicmail.co.za. This is not spam as we have included contact information & a remove link in accordance with the Unsolicited Commercial Electronic Mail Act of 2001. This message is sent in compliance of the new e- mail bill: SECTION 301. Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618, From juicy at melontraffickers.com Fri Jan 11 09:06:37 2002 From: juicy at melontraffickers.com (A. Melon) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:06:37 -0800 Subject: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics References: <3C3C9A98.A6DD3B3@cdc.gov> Message-ID: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola ret) writes: > Tuesday January 08 09:52 PM EST > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/abc/20020108/ts/olympicprotesters020108_1.html > > Olympics Officials Keep Eyes on Protesters > > By Geraldine Sealey ABCNEWS.com > > Security plan for terrorists and protesters. > > Security for the Salt Lake City Olympics, with a price tag exceeding > $300 million, was a top priority even before Sept. 11. But > international terrorism isn't the only threat: Officials are bracing > for a potential record number of protesters and that some might take > advantage of the world stage to make mayhem. > > While Olympics and city officials say they have no evidence of unruly > demonstrations planned for the 17-day Games set to begin on Feb. 8, > they are preparing for them. About 1 million visitors from around the > world are expected to descend on the city next month along with an > undetermined number of demonstrators. > > One official strategy for controlling demonstrations seems to be > accommodating peaceful protesters as much as possible. So many > demonstrators want to come to Salt Lake City to support their causes > that officials are providing demonstrators seven official protest > zones believed to be a first for the Games. The city is also issuing > official permits for groups that want to protest in Salt Lake City > during the games. > > By providing safe zones where demonstrators can exercise their free > speech rights, city and Olympic officials are hoping to prevent the > kind of violent and disorderly protests that have marred such recent > international events as the 1999 World Trade Organization (news - web > sites) meetings in Seattle or last year's G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. > > Mapping out protest zones and certifying legitimate Olympic > demonstrators is helping the Games organizers keep tabs on who is > showing up, officials say. The organizers clearly have learned lessons > from recent violent demonstrations. They're also tuned in to radical > environmental and animal rights activists, active in Utah, who have > turned to violence in recent years to spread their message. > > "The demonstrations that have gotten out of hand like at the WTO seem > to be a fairly recent phenomenon that we want to be prepared for," > said Josh Ewing, a spokesman for Salt Lake City. > > Not All Protesters Created Equal > > In the new era of globally organized protesters and violence-prone > anarchists, not all protesters are created equal. The protest groups > who have signed up for permits to set up camp near the Olympic events > are peaceful groups and are not expected to incite unrest. > > "[Games planners] are preparing for the worst, but animal rights have > the intention of organizing non-violent protests," said Sean Diener, > director of the Utah Animal Rights Coalition, which is helping to > organize protests against the Olympics-sponsored Rodeo. "We have no > expectation for anything to turn out like the things in Genoa or > Seattle. There will be non-violent but effective protests," he said. > > As of late last week, 10 groups had received official protest permits > from the city, including homeless activists, supporters of the banned > Chinese spiritual sect Falun Gong (news - web sites), disabled rights > advocates, and a church group critical of gay rights. > > Even though Olympics protests so far are expected to be peaceful, > security officials are concerned that demonstrators interested in > violence or general lawlessness could infiltrate those protesters who > are coordinating their efforts with the city and Olympic officials. > > Officials have investigated the Web site of a group called Build > Underground Resistance Not the Olympics, which claims to be devoted > to agitating and educating demonstrators for the Games. The site > reads: "BURN the Olympics has been initiated by radicals who are not > resigned to sit back and watch our city turn into a playground for the > rich. We plan on using our diverse skills and tactics to tackle the > multinational death machine that is killing the planet." > > BURN says the Olympics are too corporate, too money-driven, advance > globalization and nationalism, and ruin the environment. Another > group, Citizens Activist Network, is also opposed to the Olympics on > similar grounds, but has signed up for a legal permit to protest in an > official zone, where BURN has not. A spokeswoman for BURN, who only > goes by the name of "Sabrina," said her group would not apply for a > permit because by doing so, "we would be recognizing the authority of > the state to grant or deny freedom of speech." > > Intelligence Operation Against Anarchist Infiltration > > Further, she said, many globalization protesters would likely > demonstrate at a meeting of G8 finance ministers scheduled for Feb. > 8 and 9 in Ottawa, and so turnout among globalization protesters is > not likely to be comparable at the Olympics as at other international > events. > > It is difficult to tell how many demonstrators the BURN group > legitimately represents. Salt Lake City officials believe the > BURN site might only be run by the spokeswoman, with no extensive > organization backing it. But still, officials are preparing for > anything. > > To head off violent protests, law enforcement agencies have conducted > years-long intelligence operations in an attempt to figure out whether > potentially disruptive groups are headed to Salt Lake City. > > The security effort also will include handing our educational > pamphlets to protesters with permits to warn them about the > possibility that radical activists who would incite violence could > infiltrate their ranks. > > While officials are doing everything in their power to allow > demonstrators to have a voice during the Games, "People have been > oblivious to other people infiltrating them and it's gotten nasty," > Ewing said. > > Olympics planners will warn demonstrators that if police ask them to > disperse for any reason and they do not, protesters will be arrested. > > Hoping for Crowd Control > > Stephen Clark, legal director of the Utah chapter of the American > Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites), said he hopes security > officials have learned how to control crowds more efficiently after > past clashes with demonstrators got ugly. > > "There seems to have been two models: Seattle, where there seemed to > be a total lack of preparation, and then the other extreme is the > Republican convention in Philadelphia in 2000," he said, "where police > seemed to apply a program of preventive detention by rounding up usual > suspects and placing them in jail with million-dollar bails so people > couldn't cause chaos for the convention. > > "I hope the organizers have appropriately planned for spontaneous > protests, or even people who might want to cause mischief, and not > overreact." > > The threat of violence at the Olympics is not a new phenomenon, of > course. At the 1996 Atlanta Games, the bombing in Centennial Park > killed 1 and injured 111, reminding Olympic organizers how vulnerable > the Games could be. > > Terrorism also struck the Olympics in Munich in 1972 when 11 Israeli > athletes were killed by Palestinian gunmen. From mv at cdc.gov Fri Jan 11 10:47:10 2002 From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret)) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:47:10 -0800 Subject: Those wacky german censors, Ashcroft, and other latent nazis Message-ID: <3C3F332E.9581DE8A@cdc.gov> NEW YORK  A German United Nations employee who admitted scratching anti-Semitic graffiti on a Jewish neighbor's door and setting it afire was indicted Thursday on arson and other charges as hate crimes. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27686-2002Jan10.html ...... BERLIN -- German Interior Minister Otto Schily, an energetic campaigner against U.S.-based neo-Nazi websites, has asked U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft for help in his fight. Specifically, Schily asked Ashcroft during one of their recent face-to-face meetings to exert pressure on an American Internet service provider to block a site with an official-sounding German name that currently diverts traffic to a neo-Nazi site. As of Wednesday, anyone clicking on www.bundesinnenministerium.com will end up looking not at content supplied by Schily's office, the German Interior Ministry, but at a site run by Gerhard Lauck of Nebraska, dubbed by some the "Farmbelt Fuehrer" because of his enthusiasm for Hitler. "We contacted the provider and asked him to put down that site, www.bundesinnenministerium.com," said Dirk Inger, Schily's spokesman. "They said a lot of things. First they said they had to check it, then they said they would do it. Then they said they would check it again. But nothing happened." So, said Inger, Schily asked Ashcroft for his help when the two men met twice last month, once in Washington and once in Berlin, to discuss the war on terrorism. "It was constructive," said Inger. "It's difficult, of course, because of your legislation and the First Amendment of the Constitution." The German Interior Ministry has also contacted the German Embassy in Washington and the Simon Wiesenthal Center, asking both to lobby the ISP directly. It also approached the United Nations Domain Name Dispute Resolution Service. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,49566,00.html From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Fri Jan 11 11:45:59 2002 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:45:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics In-Reply-To: from "A. Melon" at Jan 11, 2002 09:06:37 AM Message-ID: <200201111946.g0BJk0B13351@artifact.psychedelic.net> >> Terrorism also struck the Olympics in Munich in 1972 when 11 Israeli >> athletes were killed by Palestinian gunmen. Not quite. 11 Israeli athletes were captured by some Palestinians. They were killed when the Israeli military attacked the site where they were being held, and slaughtered everything that moved. It is and always has been the policy of the Zionist Entity to regard its civilians as expendable for propaganda purposes in any hostage situation. That is why, for instance, the Israelis immediately move their own civilians in as human shields when they illegally occupy an area. Referred to, of course, by the Israelis and their poodles in US government as "settlements." "I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." --Ariel Sharon October 3, 2001 -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From tcmay at got.net Fri Jan 11 11:59:59 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:59:59 -0800 Subject: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics In-Reply-To: <200201111946.g0BJk0B13351@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: On Friday, January 11, 2002, at 11:45 AM, Eric Cordian wrote: >>> Terrorism also struck the Olympics in Munich in 1972 when 11 Israeli >>> athletes were killed by Palestinian gunmen. > > Not quite. 11 Israeli athletes were captured by some Palestinians. > They > were killed when the Israeli military attacked the site where they were > being held, and slaughtered everything that moved. I guess all the television footage showing the helicopter and the grenade dropped by one of the Fatah members was Zionist propaganda. Those Jews are really sneaky! (What's worse is that they implanted false memories in me, as I saw the coverage live on ABC as it happened.) --Tim May "The Constitution is a radical document...it is the job of the government to rein in people's rights." --President William J. Clinton From mv at cdc.gov Fri Jan 11 12:19:31 2002 From: mv at cdc.gov (Major Variola (ret)) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:19:31 -0800 Subject: Olympic Jewells: Utah = UK Message-ID: <3C3F48D3.F25EF021@cdc.gov> [Brinworld, domestic surveillance] Monitoring nearly everything will be hundreds of surveillance cameras, some able to scan an Olympic identification badge from 1,000 feet away. "The Secret Service is one agency that hangs its hat on security that is discreet," Camillo said. "There will be a visual presence because of magnetometers and fencing. What you won't see is what I'll describe as a police state." http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-011102oly.story ..... Sounds like the British visitors will feel right at home... 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Palestinians took 11 Israeli athletes hostage and two of them were killed during the hostage taking. The Mossad, the Israeli secret service, requested to bring in a hostage rescue team into Germany, and was refused by the German government. With the head of the Mossad, Zvi Zamir, acting as an observer and adviser in Germany, a rescue was attempted by German police, which resulted in the killing of the remaining 9 athletes. I will still stand by my points about Israeli policy towards Israeli civilians held hostage, settlements, and Sharon's "The Jewish people control America" comments before the Knesset. The Munich festivities were apparently later immortalized for history in a Michael Douglas film, which now serves as peoples public recollection of the events, rather than the coverage that took place at the time. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From gbroiles at parrhesia.com Fri Jan 11 12:47:36 2002 From: gbroiles at parrhesia.com (Greg Broiles) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:47:36 -0800 Subject: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020111124717.038efd90@bivens.parrhesia.com> At 11:45 AM 1/11/2002 -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: > >> Terrorism also struck the Olympics in Munich in 1972 when 11 Israeli > >> athletes were killed by Palestinian gunmen. > >Not quite. 11 Israeli athletes were captured by some Palestinians. They >were killed when the Israeli military attacked the site where they were >being held, and slaughtered everything that moved. It's my understanding that one hostage was killed early in the standoff, and that another team member (a coach?) was shot but escaped as the hostages were being captured initially. Some time later, the German authorities provided the terrorists with a bus - the hostages and terrorists boarded the bus and drove to the airport, where two helicopters were waiting for them. There - on the airport tarmac - there was a gunfight between (AFAIK) German police and the terrorists, which led to killing all of the remaining hostages, many of the terrorists, and some police. A few months later, with the cooperation of the German government, a German airplane was captured in a faux hijacking, and those "hostages" were exchanged for the remaining terrorists in German custody. All but one of them have subsequently been assassinated by Mossad. "One Day In September" is a documentary about this which isn't impossible to find on DVD or VHS. .. or are you saying that the airport firefight took place between Israeli soldiers in German police uniforms and the terrorists? That's not unimaginable, but the Israelis seem more competent, and inclined towards overwhelming force and rapid attack - see, e.g., their Operation Gift on 12/28/68, where three teams totalling 64 men destroyed 14 planes on the runway at Beirut International Airport in retaliation for a November attack on an El Al airliner. (See, e.g., or .) I don't have any personal knowledge about this - probably nobody on the list does - but I'm pretty skeptical of the claim that the airport attack was an Israeli creation - not because I think they're saints, but because it wasn't their style. Besides, it's hard to imagine that Germany would allow an Israeli military force to land at a German airport, take it over, use it to ambush terrorists, then blame the resulting casualties on the local authorities .. or that Israel would be able to do that without German cooperation. That just doesn't sound like something a government would do, especially not a German government dealing with Israel. -- Greg Broiles -- gbroiles at parrhesia.com -- PGP 0x26E4488c or 0x94245961 Eliminate due process, civil rights? It's the Constitution, stupid! From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Fri Jan 11 12:59:10 2002 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:59:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020111124717.038efd90@bivens.parrhesia.com> from "Greg Broiles" at Jan 11, 2002 12:47:36 PM Message-ID: <200201112059.g0BKxAq13543@artifact.psychedelic.net> Greg Broiles writes: > It's my understanding that one hostage was killed early in the standoff, > and that another team member (a coach?) was shot but escaped as the > hostages were being captured initially. > Some time later, the German authorities provided the terrorists with a bus > - the hostages and terrorists boarded the bus and drove to the airport, > where two helicopters were waiting for them. > There - on the airport tarmac - there was a gunfight between (AFAIK) German > police and the terrorists, which led to killing all of the remaining > hostages, many of the terrorists, and some police. Yes, I obviously got the Munich thing confused with something else. I have posted a correction in response to a sarcastic snipe by Tim. > "One Day In September" is a documentary about this which isn't impossible > to find on DVD or VHS. > .. or are you saying that the airport firefight took place between Israeli > soldiers in German police uniforms and the terrorists? No. It was Germans who screwed it up. The Germans, concerned about PR, turned down the Mossad's request to send in a rescue team, and tried to do the rescue themselves with the Mossad director watching. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From georgemw at speakeasy.net Fri Jan 11 13:05:31 2002 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:05:31 -0800 Subject: Olympic Jewells: Utah = UK In-Reply-To: <3C3F48D3.F25EF021@cdc.gov> Message-ID: <3C3EE31B.18064.60080EF@localhost> On 11 Jan 2002, at 12:19, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > "The Secret Service is one agency that hangs its hat on security that > is discreet," Camillo said. > "There will be a visual presence because of magnetometers and fencing. > What you won't see is > what I'll describe as a police state." > I bet that guy's kicking himself in the ass after that quote. I'm sure what he meant to imply was "there's nothing you'll see that makes you think we're turning the place into a police state" rather than what it comes out as sounding like, "there's a police state, you just won't see it". > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-011102oly.story > ..... > Sounds like the British visitors will feel right at home... > > I'll feel right at home too...because I'll be staying home! One of life's little ironies is that the reason that security was so crappy at the 72 olympics was that Germany wanted to announce to the world "we're not Nazis anymore! See, no police state!" There's probably a moral to the story, but I'm not learning anything. George From mmotyka at lsil.com Fri Jan 11 12:29:38 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:29:38 -0700 Subject: Olympic Jewells: Utah = UK Message-ID: <3C3F4B32.C74E0A86@lsil.com> georgemw at speakeasy.net wrote : > >On 11 Jan 2002, at 12:19, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > >> "The Secret Service is one agency that hangs its hat on security that >> is discreet," Camillo said. >> "There will be a visual presence because of magnetometers and fencing. >> What you won't see is what I'll describe as a police state." > >I bet that guy's kicking himself in the ass after that quote. >I'm sure what he meant to imply was "there's nothing you'll >see that makes you think we're turning the place into a police state" >rather than what it comes out as sounding like, "there's a police >state, you just won't see it". > A happy accident. Overlooked by all but the most sensitive, alert types. >> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-011102oly.story >> ..... >> Sounds like the British visitors will feel right at home... > >I'll feel right at home too...because I'll be staying home! > >One of life's little ironies is that the reason that security >was so crappy at the 72 olympics was that Germany wanted to >announce to the world "we're not Nazis anymore! >See, no police state!" > >There's probably a moral to the story, but I'm not learning anything. > Sure : High Profile == High Target Value, exponentially expensive security. >George > Oh, I've been to Lake Placid a few times, watched some ski jumpers, skaters etc. Practice is OK since there's no official bullshit going on. Ice^H^H^HWhiteface is OK. Pretty darn long run. I can't remember the last time I had even a remote interest in the Olympics. Too hyped. Too commercial. If this is some kind of unifying event that belongs to the whole world why can't all the stations televise it? Why can't anyone webcast it? Screw Olympics, Inc. If anyone starts up the Olympics again let me know. Mike PBS - The Greeks : Crucible of Civilization ME - The Geeks : Cubicle of Civilization BTW - I'm convinced about the random data stuff. From tuningcosmetics at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 21:44:20 2002 From: tuningcosmetics at yahoo.com (Tuning Corp.) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:44:20 +0800 Subject: Cosmetic news from Tuning-Taiwan Message-ID: <200201110543.NAA12692@msr.hinet.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 23 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The original source is apparently Israel Radio in Hebrew, Col Yisrael, commenting on Sharon's remarks, although of course it has received wide coverage in the Arab press and on white supremicist sites. I see not a single denial. > Regardless of what Sharon may or may not believe, I > don't think he could have said this without the major > media jumping all over it, in the way that Bush > recently got pinged for referring to the people > of Pakistan as 'Pakis' (a racial slur in Britain). I don't know. Accusations of antisemitism in the US are extremely vicious and business destroying, and mainstream newspapers will generally not print anything which might cause them to be so labeled. "Pakis" and other maligned groups do not generally enjoy this special dispensation. As Gore Vidal is fond of saying, there is considerably more freedom to criticize Israel in Israel, than there is to criticize Israel in the United States. > Of course, one could take the self-fullfiling viewpoint > that the fact that this quote only appears in extreme > fringe publications is simply proof of total Jewish control > of the major media. I prefer to apply Occam's Razor. I'm kind of torn here. I certainly don't wish to adopt the position that nothing is credible that doesn't get mainstream media coverage. But you are right that it's a bit suspicious. When the false story was planted that CNN had used archived footage to simulate Palestinians celebrating the WTC flattening, the denials were swift, even though the story had only appeared on the Internet. I see no denials of this even more widely reported story, and I find that suspicious too. Newspapers regularly refuse even well-written op-ed pieces which point out Israel's warts. One recalls the recent firings of Managing Editor Jean Ryan and City Editor Dale Seth from the Oneida Daily Dispatch for daring to place the word "Jewish" preceeding the word "terrorist" in an editorial about Israel's formation, one of American Journalism's many unwritten taboos about coverage of Israel. I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that Sharon's remarks were probably quoted accurately, based on a preponderance of the evidence, even though, as you point out, they were not repeated in the New York Times, or even in the Oneida Daily Dispatch. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 10 20:23:07 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:23:07 +1100 Subject: Prosperity through punishment (was Re: more on procmail is not mattd's friend!) Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020111151543.00a58040@pop.useoz.com> >>"For a very long time in economics and biology there's been an assumption of self-interest," says economist Herbert Gintis of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. Instead, he says, it seems that egalitarianism is "a basic part of human behaviour".<< Interesting Quote but Heresy here in anarcho-crapitalist cloud cuckoo land. (nomen,nowomen,nobrains,noguts,noballs,nomen.) "I'm not a believer in Anarchy because I believe that people will behave better without government than with, I'm a believer in Anarchy because then they can't hide behind lawyers and badges when they fuck someone. They can still hide behind guns, but that just makes their actions more honest. I don't believe in anarchy because I trust people. I believe in anarchy because I don't trust them." From ron_naples at yyhmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:23:27 2002 From: ron_naples at yyhmail.com (ron_naples at yyhmail.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:23:27 -0800 Subject: RE-FILL you Prescriptions on-line Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 10 20:34:47 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:34:47 +1100 Subject: AU Anti-biker Laws Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020111152700.00a5c180@pop.useoz.com> >>I vaguely remember a door-strengthening prohibition somewhere in Europe being mentioned here in the past.<< At least in one part of Europe fortifications are going up with local council approval.In checko the 1st ghetto wall since ww2 was recently built to enforce a curfew in a romany section of an old town. Also in au the authoritarians in port Augusta have proposed a curfew for young people. "spewing nemesis" (?) Only for dumbshit anarcho-crapitalists.The issue is not that "allowing" it is good, but that "banning" it would require drastic and draconian enforcement measures.) We are nearly always 5-10 years behind youse. From faustine. at hushmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:38:58 2002 From: faustine. at hushmail.com (faustine. at hushmail.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:38:58 -0800 Subject: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics Message-ID: <200201112338.g0BNcwJ16759@mailserver2c.hushmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 2781 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 10 20:45:38 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:45:38 +1100 Subject: tree huggers as terrorists Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020111154019.00a5b050@pop.useoz.com> >> "I wonder why seven congressmen are so interested in challenging an organization to disavow ecoterrorism when Greenpeace has a perfect, 30-year record of peaceful, nonviolent civil disobedience used to engage corrupt governments and corporations around the world," John Pasacantando, Greenpeace USA's Executive Director, wrote to McInnis. "I wish that you would drop this ruse of trying to link peaceful environmental efforts to terrorism -- just at the moment when the country needs you to actually focus on real issues."<< Greenpeace should be investigating APster lite as a matter of some urgency after recent LA case.ALL peaceful dissent is linked to "terrorism" now. Drunks on planes and castaways are international terrorists.This started well before 9-11. I think that this Government is a threat to mankind. You can't protect freedom and liberties behind stock piles of chemical and biological weapons and nuclear weapons. From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Fri Jan 11 15:46:10 2002 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:46:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Israel's control of the U.S. -- and debunking rumors In-Reply-To: <20020111183755.A24696@cluebot.com> from "Declan McCullagh" at Jan 11, 2002 06:37:55 PM Message-ID: <200201112346.g0BNkAj13850@artifact.psychedelic.net> Declan writes: > Eric Cordian's claim is false. There is a discussion of that alleged > quote in what appears to be the editorial pages ofthe Omaha > World-Herald on October 1, 2001 -- two days before Cordian claims > Sharon said it. > Did Cordian's source get the date wrong but the quote right? Well, > here's an excerpt from that discussion: > With reference to Bruce Malina's question (Oct. 27 Pulse) as to why > Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's statement to Foreign Minister > Shimon Peres wasn't reported in the U.S. media: The answer is that it > is difficult to believe that any Israeli leader could be so stupid as > to say, "We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans > know it." Mr. Malina uses a very suspect source, the Washington Report > of Oct. 3. OK, I'll bite. How did the Omaha World Herald on October 1, quote the Washington Report from October 3, in response to a reader question of October 27? Also, he doesn't debunk the quote. He just expresses his opinion that no Israeli leader could be so stupid, and continues merrily on to say that one magazine that reported the remark is "influenced" by Arabs. > The quote also appears in an Oct. 13 bylined article in The > Tallahassee Democrat: > So how does Israel, in turn, show its reliability as a friend to the > United States? To answer that question, we turn to an Oct. 3 report > from the Palestinian Information Center in occupied > Jerusalem. According to this report, an argument broke out during a > recent Israeli Cabinet session between Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and > his foreign minister, Shimon Peres. Peres had warned Sharon that if > they didn't heed America's request for a cease-fire with the > Palestinians it would endanger Israeli interests and turn the United > States against them. At which point, a furious Sharon reportedly told > Peres, "Every time we do something, you tell me that America will do > this or do that. I want to tell you something very clear. Don't worry > about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control > America, and the Americans know it." If it appeared in a bylined article in a mainstream American newspaper, and everyone involved has not been fired, and no retraction has been issued, many months later, I would tend to believe that the authenticity of the quote is not in question. > Whatever Sharon's true feelings, the provenance of that quote > seems especially dubious. If you believe otherwise, I have some > 1,000:1 compression software to sell you. I'll pass on the 1,000:1 compression software, but I'm pretty sure about the quote. Anyone in Israel care to confirm or deny? -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 10 20:59:01 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:59:01 +1100 Subject: Justine/Faustine the butthole surfer. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020111155131.00a5d510@pop.useoz.com> >>LIKES BEING ASSFUCKED!!<< 30% of the female population admit to at least trying it once.(Hite report) >>likes molesting farm animals.<< Try www.plmovies.com I recommend dogjapan.Likes quoting Nitchze? Turn that icy little gun on yrself girlfriend. The American people should remember that they pay taxes to their government, they elect their president, their government manufactures arms and gives them to Israel and Israel uses them to massacre Palestinians. The American Congress endorses all government measures and this proves that the entire America is responsible for the atrocities perpetrated against Muslims. The entire America, because they elect the Congress. From ravage at ssz.com Fri Jan 11 14:00:40 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:00:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <02011108270102.11143@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, david wrote: > On Friday 11 January 2002 07:34 am, Jim Choate wrote: > > > > In Texas deadly force is legally justified to prevent the imminent > > > commission of burglary. > > > > Actually it isn't. > > > > > This means you can shoot if someone is getting ready to break > > > in. You don't have to wait until they are inside. > > > > Actualy they only time you can shoot somebody like this is AFTER DARK, > > there are other caviats as well. > > > If you will reread your own link to the Penal code you see that only theft > and criminal mischief have the nighttime stipulation. I'll be happy to let you talk to my lawyer (he used to be an Asst. Attorney General) and you can call APD directly if you'd like. They DO include burglary with respect to using deadly force. In fact, in say a case like somebody breaking into your car and stealing CD's, to be legally protected you MUST see them with your property, simple 'belief' is not enough. Of course there is nothing to stop you from planting between the shooting and the arrival of your local LEA. > The following statute is the one that says you have to retreat unless you are > at home. I am a Texas Department of Public Safety certified Concealed > Handgun License instructor. Big fucking deal. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From sunder at sunder.net Fri Jan 11 13:10:09 2002 From: sunder at sunder.net (Sunder) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:10:09 -0500 (est) Subject: Dreamworks/Pixar/CIA does bin Laden right this time In-Reply-To: <3C3CACCA.6D21C7AE@cdc.gov> Message-ID: Um, what court of law? Afghanistan isn't the 51's state of the union. Al qaeda didn't sign any treaties with any organization, it's not part of Nato or the UN... Why even bother with a "court?" If bin Ladin is caught, he should be shot on sight, or at least "interrogated" none of this bullshit kangaroo court crap. I'm begining to think that bin Ladin is becoming the modern version of Emmanuel Goldstein, afghanistan is "oceania", and iraq is "eursaia"... and CNN provides the mandatory two minutes of hate... ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_ at _sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > http://www.megastories.com/attack/aip/02jan03/wahdat020103.shtml > Thursday 3 January 2002 > > ISLAMABAD (Wahdat): The deputy chief of Afghan intelligence, > Abdullah Tauhidi, has claimed that intelligence officials have > acquired a number of new videotapes of Osama bin Laden and > his associates in the al-Qaeda network. > > The videotapes show clearer camera work, which could be far > better proof for a court of law to put the most wanted man on trial > in connection with the September 11 terrorist attacks, he said in > an interview. From mattd at useoz.com Thu Jan 10 21:11:21 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:11:21 +1100 Subject: Drivel Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020111160024.00a5c310@pop.useoz.com> >>I personally have gotten tired of reading your drivel,<< If you see my name then dont read it.Im not paying much attention to you lately. >>accordingly you have started to suffer the same fate as detweiler, cohen, vulis and others.<< Que? What fate? I dont know Cohen,who he? >>Hoped you liked the little procmail thingie, our former resident book author, bill arnold loved it, As well as the other version which outed all of his postings directly to his supervisors in the school system. havent seen old Bill for about a couple of years now.:) << Ive filtered out some redundant mail lately,Who's bill arnold? >>with malice aforthought anonymous tentacle #69 p.s. some of us only watch, wait and strike<< If your threatening me,your not being clear enough about it.More detail please,anonymously if you like,Im always looking for fresh material for my column. >>pseudo-anarchists like mattd << Why pseudo? please,I really want to know that.Write me direct if you want to see less of me on the list. From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Fri Jan 11 13:24:09 2002 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:24:09 -0500 Subject: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics Message-ID: > Eric Cordian[SMTP:emc at artifact.psychedelic.net] wrote: > > "I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about > American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, > and the Americans know it." > --Ariel Sharon > October 3, 2001 > Eric: I don't recall hearing about this remark on the news at the time, and I suspect I would have. A Google search turns up a number of cites, but they are all on white supremacist or anti-Isreal sites. The original source is the Islamic Association for Palestine site: http://www.iap.org. The message is archived at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iapinfo/message/2132 Are there any major media citations in any country? If not, I suspect that this is a manufactured quote, like the ones we saw a few years ago where Janet Reno was alleged to indicate that Christians weren't good citizens. Regardless of what Sharon may or may not believe, I don't think he could have said this without the major media jumping all over it, in the way that Bush recently got pinged for referring to the people of Pakistan as 'Pakis' (a racial slur in Britain). Of course, one could take the self-fullfiling viewpoint that the fact that this quote only appears in extreme fringe publications is simply proof of total Jewish control of the major media. I prefer to apply Occam's Razor. Peter Trei ============================================================================ ================ This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any third party or use the contents, attachments or information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. Thank You. ============================================================================ ================ From jya at pipeline.com Fri Jan 11 16:31:15 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:31:15 -0800 Subject: Gov Deep Net Monitoring Message-ID: An anonymous ISP representative responds to "ISPs Not Filtering Viruses:" A major US ISP which is a subsidiary of a foreign corporation hosts a US government operation to monitor *all* traffic handled by the ISP at a central network operations center. This operation was set up as a condition for the foreign corporation to acquire the ISP and as far as known is not the result of a court order. No officer or employee of the foreign corporation or the ISP subsidiary has access to or control over the operation. Traffic is monitored by personnel who have security clearances for handling confidential information acquired by monitoring. Streaming data may be searched for key words or other information, collected and transmitted to the sponsoring agency for analysis and evaluation. The representative claims that another US government surveillance activity set up after September 11 is for ISPs to host sites set up to offer information likely to be sought by terrorists, such as detailed airline schedules or other dangerous information. The logs of access to these sites are copied to CDs daily and sent to the supervising agency. ISP personnel are forbidden to monitor the sites or examine the logs. Numerous US ISPs are allegedly involved in this activity. As far as known this activity is not the result of a court order. Cryptome would appreciate learning more about such non-court-ordered governmental Internet monitoring for publication. In particular, leads on information on the central monitoring operation at the foreign-owned ISP -- which sounds like a description of Verio, Cryptome's host, now owned by Japan's NTT Corporation. At the time of NTT's purchase of Verio, there were news reports of FBI objection to the sale unless arrangements were made to prevent foreign espionage and to avoid interference with lawful interceptions. Anonymous contributions welcomed. Encrypt if preferred. Public key on Cryptome home page. From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Fri Jan 11 16:34:00 2002 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:34:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Israel's control of the U.S. -- and debunking rumors In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111185330.00a12c80@mail.well.com> from "Declan McCullagh" at Jan 11, 2002 06:55:33 PM Message-ID: <200201120034.g0C0Y0R13962@artifact.psychedelic.net> Declan writes: > >OK, I'll bite. How did the Omaha World Herald on October 1, quote the > >Washington Report from October 3, in response to a reader question > >of October 27? > See the followup message with the exact text of the articles that I sent do > you and the list. It's over 40KB, so while you received it, majordomo > bounced it (perhaps the lne.com admin will approve). In the stuff you sent me, the part you claim was written two days before the alleged Sharon October 3 quote is under a big title saying... Copyright 2001 The Omaha World-Herald Company Omaha World-Herald November 1, 2001, Thursday SUNRISE EDITION Unless I'm missing something here, your point that I have been proven wrong because something was written about the Sharon quote two days before it was supposed to have been said is void. Also, the text you pasted which said that the quote could not possibly have been true, and that the source was biased, was a pro-Israel letter to the editor, criticizing someone identified as a theology professor who apparently mentioned the Sharon quote in something printed earlier. Yes, the quote is extrordinary. Yes, Sharon is a nut. That he shares with bin Laden the fantasy that the Jews control America is no huge surprise. Do you have anything else to add? -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From gbroiles at parrhesia.com Fri Jan 11 16:50:23 2002 From: gbroiles at parrhesia.com (Greg Broiles) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:50:23 -0800 Subject: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics In-Reply-To: <200201112037.g0BKbxY13463@artifact.psychedelic.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020111164513.03a15600@bivens.parrhesia.com> At 12:37 PM 1/11/2002 -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: >The Munich festivities were apparently later immortalized for history in a >Michael Douglas film, which now serves as peoples public recollection of >the events, rather than the coverage that took place at the time. Michael Douglas narrated the (Oscar-winning) documentary, which is mostly recent eyewitness/participant interviews interspersed with archived recordings of the coverage that took place at the time. It hardly seems reasonable to be snotty about any film whose recitation of the facts of the event is significantly more correct than yours was. -- Greg Broiles -- gbroiles at parrhesia.com -- PGP 0x26E4488c or 0x94245961 Eliminate due process, civil rights? It's the Constitution, stupid! From mischief at optushome.com.au Thu Jan 10 22:26:02 2002 From: mischief at optushome.com.au (Ralph Wallis) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:26:02 +1100 Subject: Killfiling??? naw thats too easy!! In-Reply-To: <20020111000046.B11744@cluebot.com>; from declan@well.com on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 12:00:47AM -0500 References: <20020111000046.B11744@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <20020111172602.B52620@localhost> On Friday, 11 Jan 2002 at 00:00, Declan McCullagh wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:19:48PM -0600, measl at mfn.org wrote: > > As mattd is at least _supposedly_ a resident of another continent, Gordon & > > Well, FWIW, I interviewed him by calling an Australian telephone > number when the Ohio cops were on his trail; an Australian journalist > confirms mattd/proffr lives there (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02099.html); You don't have to be coy about the number, there is a listing for the name/street: Taylor M 59 Baynton St (03) 5422 7207 Kyneton 3444 Mobile Service 0417 531 548 From david at morningwood.net Fri Jan 11 15:43:16 2002 From: david at morningwood.net (david) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:43:16 -0600 Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02011117431600.12380@localhost.localdomain> On Friday 11 January 2002 04:00 pm, Jim Choate wrote: > I'll be happy to let you talk to my lawyer (he used to be an Asst. > Attorney General) and you can call APD directly if you'd like. They DO > include burglary with respect to using deadly force. In fact, in say a > case like somebody breaking into your car and stealing CD's, to be legally > protected you MUST see them with your property, simple 'belief' is not > enough. Of course there is nothing to stop you from planting between the > shooting and the arrival of your local LEA. > > > The following statute is the one that says you have to retreat unless you > > are at home. I am a Texas Department of Public Safety certified > > Concealed Handgun License instructor. > > Big fucking deal. > I don't need or want to talk to your attorney. But you should at least read and try to understand the statutes that you link to and make reference to. The big fucking deal is I have attended four of DPS's intructor classes where their attorneys and instructors explain the use of force laws to us in the manner they want them passed on to the public. I do not pass on uninformed opinions on topics I am not qualified to comment on. David Neilson From hilaria at artcamp.com.mx Fri Jan 11 16:07:59 2002 From: hilaria at artcamp.com.mx (Hilaria =?iso-8859-1?Q?Casta=F1eda?=) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:07:59 -0600 Subject: We send you warm greetings from Taxco, Guerrero Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020111180746.025034d0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> We send you warm greetings from Taxco, Guerrero, hoping that you are well in health and spirit. Before anything else, we hope that you had wonderful holidays, and that this year started to be the best of all in history! We want to thank you for your time this last year, the fact that you pay attention to us is very valued. We give thanks to have met you. We also wanted to comment to you about a big project that we completed this last year: A customer of ours came to visit us last year 2001, and commented to us about a company in the United States where we could get medical equipment donated for our hospital, Adolfo Prieto. (I say "our hospital" because is a public hospital, as poor as we are, and to which most of us have had to go to get medical attention for ourselves and for our children). We got in contact with this company in the United States, and after convincing them to donate it, we spoke to the officials of DHL International, so they would facilitate the shipping of this equipment for free. They also accepted, and gave us a list of the documents required to be filled by our State Government. Then we got in contact with the Secretary of Health of the State of Guerrero to get all the documents to import the equipment, and after some time we got the documents all made, signed, etc. Now the equipment is in the hospital Adolfo Prieto. We want to invite you to see pictures and the history in our web site, this is the address: http://www.artcamp.com.mx The reason why we did all this, was so the doctors and nurses of the hospital would know and recognize us, because, as we don't have health insurance, having a good relationship with them, it is more probable to get the necessary attention in case that we need it or any of our children have an illness or an accident. Well, I didn't mean for this letter to be long, but I really enjoyed telling you about this achievement of our cooperative. This letter was just to wish you a very nice new year 2002, and tell you that here in Taxco you have your friends of Artesanas Campesinas. We are happy to have met you and wish you the best for this year and the future. Sincerely, Tamara Hernández Danel Artesanas Campesinas From twanko.tinker at gmx.net Fri Jan 11 09:17:38 2002 From: twanko.tinker at gmx.net (twanko.tinker at gmx.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:17:38 +0100 (MET) Subject: C4 Message-ID: <14627.1010769458@www59.gmx.net> Hallo Leute. Könnt Ihr mir verraten, wie ich C4 herstelle? Aber bitte so erklären, das es ein nicht Profi versteht. I want to make C4. Can you tell me the way to C4? I am not a profi. Please write easy. I dont want to kill. I want to put it on the tree. Sorry me bad english. Gruß Twanko eMail: twanko.tinker at gmx.net -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net From twanko.tinker at gmx.net Fri Jan 11 09:17:40 2002 From: twanko.tinker at gmx.net (twanko.tinker at gmx.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:17:40 +0100 (MET) Subject: C4 Message-ID: <14675.1010769460@www59.gmx.net> Hallo Leute. Könnt Ihr mir verraten, wie ich C4 herstelle? Aber bitte so erklären, das es ein nicht Profi versteht. I want to make C4. Can you tell me the way to C4? I am not a profi. Please write easy. I dont want to kill. I want to put it on the tree. Sorry me bad english. Gruß Twanko eMail: twanko.tinker at gmx.net -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net From declan at well.com Fri Jan 11 15:37:55 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:37:55 -0500 Subject: Israel's control of the U.S. -- and debunking rumors In-Reply-To: ; from ptrei@rsasecurity.com on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 04:24:09PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020111183755.A24696@cluebot.com> I just did a lexis-nexis search on: "Jewish people control America and the Americans know it" AND date aft 9/10/2001 Eric Cordian's claim is false. There is a discussion of that alleged quote in what appears to be the editorial pages ofthe Omaha World-Herald on October 1, 2001 -- two days before Cordian claims Sharon said it. Did Cordian's source get the date wrong but the quote right? Well, here's an excerpt from that discussion: >>> With reference to Bruce Malina's question (Oct. 27 Pulse) as to why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's statement to Foreign Minister Shimon Peres wasn't reported in the U.S. media: The answer is that it is difficult to believe that any Israeli leader could be so stupid as to say, "We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." Mr. Malina uses a very suspect source, the Washington Report of Oct. 3. The Washington Report is a monthly magazine influenced by Andy Kilgore, who had been U.S. ambassador to several Arab countries. This magazine provides the most obsessive pro-Arab and anti-Israeli reading in the United States. An example of its bias is an article in its April-May 1992 issue that suggests that John F. Kennedy was assassinated by the Mossad so that Lyndon Johnson, who was considered to be pro-Israel, could become president. <<< The quote also appears in an Oct. 13 bylined article in The Tallahassee Democrat: >>> So how does Israel, in turn, show its reliability as a friend to the United States? To answer that question, we turn to an Oct. 3 report from the Palestinian Information Center in occupied Jerusalem. According to this report, an argument broke out during a recent Israeli Cabinet session between Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign minister, Shimon Peres. Peres had warned Sharon that if they didn't heed America's request for a cease-fire with the Palestinians it would endanger Israeli interests and turn the United States against them. At which point, a furious Sharon reportedly told Peres, "Every time we do something, you tell me that America will do this or do that. I want to tell you something very clear. Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." <<< No other newspapers matched that search phrase. Whatever Sharon's true feelings, the provenance of that quote seems especially dubious. If you believe otherwise, I have some 1,000:1 compression software to sell you. -Declan On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 04:24:09PM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > > Eric Cordian[SMTP:emc at artifact.psychedelic.net] wrote: > > > > "I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about > > American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, > > and the Americans know it." > > --Ariel Sharon > > October 3, 2001 > > > Eric: > > I don't recall hearing about this remark on the news at > the time, and I suspect I would have. A Google search > turns up a number of cites, but they are all on white > supremacist or anti-Isreal sites. The original source is > the Islamic Association for Palestine site: > http://www.iap.org. The message is archived at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iapinfo/message/2132 > > Are there any major media citations in any country? > If not, I suspect that this is a manufactured quote, > like the ones we saw a few years ago where Janet > Reno was alleged to indicate that Christians weren't > good citizens. > > Regardless of what Sharon may or may not believe, I > don't think he could have said this without the major > media jumping all over it, in the way that Bush > recently got pinged for referring to the people > of Pakistan as 'Pakis' (a racial slur in Britain). > > Of course, one could take the self-fullfiling viewpoint > that the fact that this quote only appears in extreme > fringe publications is simply proof of total Jewish control > of the major media. I prefer to apply Occam's Razor. > > Peter Trei > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > ================ > This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended > solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and > CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express > prior written permission of the sender. If > you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any > third party or use the contents, attachments or > information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the > attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. > Thank You. > ============================================================================ > ================ From declan at well.com Fri Jan 11 15:39:20 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:39:20 -0500 Subject: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics In-Reply-To: <200201112210.g0BMAvu13698@artifact.psychedelic.net>; from emc@artifact.psychedelic.net on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 02:10:57PM -0800 References: <200201112210.g0BMAvu13698@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: <20020111183920.B24696@cluebot.com> On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 02:10:57PM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: > I see no denials of this even more widely reported story, and I find that > suspicious too. Widely reported? Two smallish newspapers is widely reported?* -Declan * based on a lexis-nexis search of the phrase you supplied From declan at well.com Fri Jan 11 15:55:33 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:55:33 -0500 Subject: Israel's control of the U.S. -- and debunking rumors In-Reply-To: <200201112346.g0BNkAj13850@artifact.psychedelic.net> References: <20020111183755.A24696@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111185330.00a12c80@mail.well.com> At 03:46 PM 1/11/2002 -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: >OK, I'll bite. How did the Omaha World Herald on October 1, quote the >Washington Report from October 3, in response to a reader question >of October 27? See the followup message with the exact text of the articles that I sent do you and the list. It's over 40KB, so while you received it, majordomo bounced it (perhaps the lne.com admin will approve). >Also, he doesn't debunk the quote. He just expresses his opinion that no >Israeli leader could be so stupid, and continues merrily on to say that >one magazine that reported the remark is "influenced" by Arabs. True, but it's a pretty extraordinary quote that seems to have allegedly taken place in a private meeting; extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, no? >If it appeared in a bylined article in a mainstream American newspaper, >and everyone involved has not been fired, and no retraction has been >issued, many months later, I would tend to believe that the authenticity >of the quote is not in question. Your faith in the American small-town journalistic establishment is heartening, but probably misplaced. -Declan From nobody at paranoici.org Fri Jan 11 10:17:25 2002 From: nobody at paranoici.org (Anonymous) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:17:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: Prosperity through punishment (was Re: more on procmail is not mat Message-ID: >freeloaders, say Swiss economists. People will pay to punish - suggesting >that their notions of fairness outweigh selfish considerations. The work >may help explain why people cooperate in society. Interesting drivel - the art of stating the obvious is live and well. But the real fun part is that Nature is publishing a pro-AP article, elevating it to the level of "science". That poor sod in jail was just doing applied science, no ? Of course that people would pay to punish. (agent Gordon pay attention now !) 9 out of 10 cpunk list subscribers ("The Movement") would contribute, if assured of anonymity, up to $100 to have baby bush's brain aerosoled. 7 out of 10 would pay the same amount to have it done to any TV personality. Show me the working double-blind bit-cash and I'll show you the world full of extremely polite people. From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Fri Jan 11 19:26:21 2002 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:26:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Ariel Sharon's Alleged Faux Pas In-Reply-To: from "R. A. Hettinga" at Jan 11, 2002 09:26:56 PM Message-ID: <200201120326.g0C3QbS14306@artifact.psychedelic.net> RAH writes: >> I see not a single denial. > Ah. Prove to you that he didn't say it? At least I'm not trying to refute it by claiming it was debunked in the media two days before it was said. :) This is not simply a case of reporting something, and then tossing the burden of proof on the opposition to prove it wasn't said. This is a case of something pretty widely disseminated on the Net, to which not a single official voice of opposition has been raised. In a general subject area where the slightest dissent generally makes one a big target. I mean, you'd at least expect the Weisenthal Center to come up with a press release decrying the unfair slandering of poor Prime Minister Sharon with the horrible antisemitic libel of Jewish control of the US government. This strongly suggests to me that the "Occam's Razor" scenario here is that Sharon said something that made his advisors soil their Depends, and everyone is busy pretending it didn't happen. > Not that I care either way, though I expect Peter's probably right on > this one. He very well may be. I will not suffer any decrease in my happiness, nor my appreciation of Peter, should that be proved to be the case. > If Sharon said it, there are enough people who hate his guts in the > mainstream press that we'd have heard all about it by now. To paraphrase Golda Meir badly out of context, this would require that one not love ones paycheck more than one hated Sharon's guts. A hard test, given several recent journalist and editor firings for publicly articulating truths about mideast history some find unpleasant. >> I certainly don't wish to adopt the position that nothing >> is credible that doesn't get mainstream media coverage. >> But you are right that it's a bit suspicious. > There ya go. *That* makes a whole lot more sense, now, doesn't > it? "Never attribute to conspiracy that which can easily be explained by > stupidity", or whatever Pournelle said. In this case, I think it's never attribute to conspiracy or stupidity that which can be easily explained by herding and schooling behavior. Kind of like when the totality of mainstream journalism decides at the same moment in time that the "Tiananmen Square Massacre" is now the "Tiananmen Square Crackdown" and probably later, the "Tiananmen Square Tea-Time Unpleasantness." > But then, a good thing never lasts, does it?, viz, >> I see no denials of this even more widely reported story, and I find >> that suspicious too. > Whoops. There you go again, Britney -- or "Eric", or > whatever your name is... "Laugh while you can, Monkey Boy." Seriously, though. If anyone can cite an unimpeachable source on whether the words in question were uttered by Ariel Sharon, I'm sure we'd all be overjoyed to be pointed to it, so we can get on with our lives. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Fri Jan 11 19:40:08 2002 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:40:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Israel's control of the U.S. -- and debunking rumors In-Reply-To: from "R. A. Hettinga" at Jan 11, 2002 09:29:32 PM Message-ID: <200201120340.g0C3e8H14341@artifact.psychedelic.net> RAH writes: >> Also, he doesn't debunk the quote. > Woops. There you go again, another "prove a negative". > Ignorantum is bliss, yes, Britney? In this case, a "letter to the editor" which suggested that the quote wasn't true because A. Sharon couldn't have been that stupid. B. One of the places the quote appeared was in a magazine sympathetic to Arabs. was proffered as "proof" that all 256 references to the quote on the Web were in error. It is hardly a huge leap here to suggest that this "proof", albeit of a negative, was less than airtight. > Cheers, > RAH Cheers, EMC -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From petro at bounty.org Fri Jan 11 20:02:16 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:02:16 -0800 Subject: tree huggers as terrorists In-Reply-To: <3C3DEAF0.EB528B97@cdc.gov> Message-ID: <2A7ACAD2-0711-11D6-BBD5-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Thursday, January 10, 2002, at 11:26 AM, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > While even the harshest critics acknowledge that > there is no proportionate comparison between Al > Qaeda and groups like the Earth Liberation Front -- > particularly because these radical environmental and > animal rights groups have avoided taking lives -- > they say that terrorism is terrorism. Nonsense. There is no significant difference between the two, other than maybe Al Qaeda being a little more honest. They admit they want to destroy this (America) country and our way of life, while the eco-facists *do* want to destroy this country and our way of life, but don't come right out and say it. If they (the eco-fascists) had their way, they would wind up being the cause of a lot more than a measly 3k dead. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From petro at bounty.org Fri Jan 11 20:09:13 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:09:13 -0800 Subject: more on procmail is not mattd's friend! In-Reply-To: <288536c112aed8d548728ef2cda5d493@mixmaster.nullify.org> Message-ID: <231B3C82-0712-11D6-BBD5-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Thursday, January 10, 2002, at 08:50 PM, Incognito Innominatus wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Anonymous wrote: > >> Have fun mattd(as I am sure you already are!) >> this script allows anyone to return comments to mattd without effort. > > This, of course, is incredibly rude to the remailer operators. Cover traffic. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From petro at bounty.org Fri Jan 11 20:15:59 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:15:59 -0800 Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <3C3DFEE8.15794.354006@localhost> Message-ID: <14F5C9F4-0713-11D6-BBD5-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Thursday, January 10, 2002, at 08:51 PM, jamesd at echeque.com wrote: > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 04:11 PM, Tim May wrote: >>> I think it is a moral necessity to kill anyone trying to >>> steal anything (beyond the utterly trivial or confusable, >>> e.g., one should not kill someone picking up a toy left >>> out in the yard...might be a mistake, he might be trying >>> to return it, etc.). Someone stealing a television or PC >>> has certainly earned killing. > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 12:39 AM, Petro wrote: >> Given the legal hassle that one will face if one >> does that, it's just not worth it. > > Legal hassle depends on where you live. Most places, > provided the burglar is inside, no problem. If lives long No, it doesn't. In the places where most people live, if you shoot a burglar in your home, you *will* call your lawyer if you've got half a brain in your head (talk to the cops about a shooting *without* one? Are you nuts?), you will probably go downtown, at least to get booked, and you might spend some time (measured in hours) behind bars. You've just shot (and if you're any good killed) someone--the fourth worst crime in the books (after using ethnic slurs, making sexist comments, and being mean to poor people by wanting to keep your hard earned money)--unless the police know you, they are likely to do it just to make sure you're not the burglar who got the drop on the home owner. Then there is the family of the deceased. You're a big fat target for a civil suit, and if the family cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed to them by the Brady Campaign against Civil Rights. > enough to get outside, drag the body back inside, and rinse > away the blood. Police will not be interested in finding the > evidence that he made it outside. Where do you live that the cops are that stupid and lazy? -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From jya at pipeline.com Fri Jan 11 20:17:06 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:17:06 -0800 Subject: Israel's control of the U.S. -- and debunking rumors In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111185330.00a12c80@mail.well.com> References: <200201112346.g0BNkAj13850@artifact.psychedelic.net> <20020111183755.A24696@cluebot.com> Message-ID: If you've been to Israel you would know that statements like that attributed to Sharon are fairly common. It's part of the nation's cultural hyperbole to overstate with ironic humor the mixed message sent to Israel by the US and by Israel to the US. Samples: "The US needs us more than we need them." "Jews in America wouldn't survive without Israel to protect them." "Without Israel the US would have to invent its own enemies." "American Jews have no place to call their own except Israel." "The US would have little to hate if not for Israel." "Israel's nation building helps the US warn Afro-Americans." And many very vulgar, very funny variations. US immigrants are shocked at the very idea of hard-earned superiority, coming late to black humor of the your home is our homeland game (rather forgetting the US hard-fought precursor to steal America and impose leastworthy European subculture; thankfully being slowly upgraded by the Mayan and Asian influx). From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 01:28:52 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:28:52 +1100 Subject: Joshua's been naughty,very naughty. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020111195727.00a56ad0@pop.useoz.com> January 10: An upskirt poser from Joshua http://www.tapdaass.com/upskirt/upskirt1.html >>Why should I killfile fools like mattd and others??<<(A melon head) Indeed,use PAP.(peoples assassination politics,your anonymous,right?) >> its MORE FUN to use procmail << Suddenly filters dont work or you WANT me to spam the list? Has anyone here complained about the 20/20 spam? >>and villification<< That's difficult for someone called P.Rat who enjoys deviants sex and collects insulting and abusive literature.Try. >>to accomplish what I wish to... eventually the interlopers leave and the list gets back to business << Sucking Tims cock in his fetid little hot tub ,you could drown! >>in spite of agent gordon and his ilk. whats a matter? Agent Gordon, CJ and bell are easy targets for threatening the shrub and mattd is NOT??? why dont you go supress his free speech rights also?<< Whattsamatta dickhead,to lazy to check on the state of play at indymedia or direct. >>So much for your tax dollars at work... the maker of net.loons tentacle #69 of the hairs of medusa ps.Medusa's sucess list detweiler sternlight vulis cohen whos next!! :) mattd? john young? only the shadow knows!!<< You fuck with jya and your dead. From ravage at ssz.com Fri Jan 11 18:31:33 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:31:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <02011117431600.12380@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: IANAL... On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, david wrote: > I don't need or want to talk to your attorney. But you should at least read > and try to understand the statutes that you link to and make reference to. I do, I also understand the sorts of questions that a DA will ask when they decide what charges to press. And a simple broad daylight B&E will not pass muster for deadly force in Texas. A simple trespass won't qualify. You simply can't go around shooting people you lure onto your property in Texas. > The big fucking deal is I have attended four of DPS's intructor classes where > their attorneys and instructors explain the use of force laws to us in the > manner they want them passed on to the public. I do not pass on uninformed > opinions on topics I am not qualified to comment on. And I am absolutely certain they did NOT tell you or anyone else that by simply finding a person in your home you have license to shoot on site. That simply isn't the case in this state. The 'at night' stipulation to escalated use of force is with respect to the 'identify & recover' clause(s). Unless you can demonstrate some clear threat at the time of the shooting, it being nite is about your only hope to escape some sort of charge (there's that 'other means' with respect to causing the crime to stop as well). DA's know there are a passle of crazies out there with itchy fingers. As I understand it, at least urban legend wise, Texas is the 7'th largest armed population in the world...;) This is from discussion with APD on three seperate 1st person instances and several discussions with a lawyer several years ago (I had this crazy idea of a IR directed gun mount). I also know of a couple of cases in the last few years where the 'at night' stipulation was critical. There was 10 or so years ago where a girl shot a peeping tom just after dusk. She saw him looking through the window. Got her gun and went outside and shot him. The major issue with the grand jury refusing to indite had to do with it being at nite. It's also worth noting that Texas does not consider breaking into a car burglary. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 01:45:53 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:45:53 +1100 Subject: weasl words Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020111203632.00a593b0@pop.useoz.com> >>unmedicated outbursts<< Coming from you thats hilarious. >>Has anyone here considered that mattd may be a form of DOS attack? That he/she/it may in fact be a paid (or otherwise compensated) proxy of Gordon's? Surely I can't be the only one who has seriously considered this...<< No shit sherlock.Ive been paid by the govt on and off for 30 years and live in council housing.I reckon if they don't engineer a pedo/terror scandal and condor all c/punks they don't really want their jobs.How about seriously investigating something for once.And did you complain about that 20/20 post last week that took up about 100 spaces?If I want to DOS you I will. I havent yet cos I like to store my blog here.Dont like it.Dont read it.(and stop sucking tims cock,you'll choke.) From abim_bola2021 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 20:55:12 2002 From: abim_bola2021 at yahoo.com (DR ABIM BOLA) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:55:12 Subject: URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL Message-ID: <200201112006.OAA06760@einstein.ssz.com> Dear Sir/Madam, I am DR ABIM BOLA, Bank Manager of ORIENT BANK OF NIGERIA, Lagos Branch. I have urgent and very confidential business proposition for you. On June 6 1997, an American oil consultant/contractor with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation, Mr. Barry Kelly made a numbered time (Fixed) deposited for twelve calendar months, valued at US$25,000,000.00 (Twenty-five Million Dollars) in my branch. Upon maturity, I sent a routine notification to his forwarding address but got no reply. After a month, we sent a reminder and finally we discovered from his contract employers, Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation that Mr. Barry Kelly died from an automobile accident. On further investigation, I found out that he did not leave a WILL and all attempts to trace his next of kin were fruitless. I therefore made further investigation and discovered that Mr. Barry Kelly did not declare any next of kin in all his official documents, including his Bank Deposit paperwork. This sum of US$25,000,000.00 is still sitting in the Bank and the interest is being rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year. No one will come forward to claim it. According to the Nigerian Law, at the expiration of 5 (five) years, the money will revert to the ownership of the Nigerian Government if nobody applies to claim thefunds. Consequently, my proposal is that I will like you as a foreigner to stand in as the next of kin to Mr. Barry Kelly so that the fruits of this old manls labor will not get into the hands of some corrupt officials. This is simple, I will like you to provide me immediately with your full names and address so that the attorney will prepare the necessary documents and affidavits, which will put you in place as the next of kin. We shall employ the services of two attorneys for drafting and notarization of the WILL and obtain the necessary documents and letter of probate/administration in your favor the transfer. A bank account in any part of the world, which you provide, will then facilitate the transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next of kin. The money will be paid into your account for us to share in the ratio of 60% for me and 40% for you. There is no risk at all as all the paperwork for this transaction will be done by the attorney and my position as the Branch Manager guarantees the successful execution of this transaction. If you are interested, please reply immediately via the private email address below. Upon your response, I shall then provide you with more details and relevant documents that will help you understand. Please observe utmost confidentiality, and rest assured that this transaction would be most profitable for both of us because I shall require your assistance to invest myshare in your country. Awaiting your urgent reply via email: Thanks and regards DR ABIM BOLA From azharsyed at hotmail.com Fri Jan 11 19:15:53 2002 From: azharsyed at hotmail.com (azharsyed at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:15:53 -0600 Subject: Azhar Syed Message-ID: <200201120315.VAA13046@einstein.ssz.com> ��ࡱ� From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 02:19:22 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:19:22 +1100 Subject: Mr Mc Catohead. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020111204620.00a5a250@pop.useoz.com> Well, FWIW, I interviewed him by calling an Australian telephone number when the Ohio cops were on his trail;<< The only fucking US reporter to do so.That's how I know how bad the crap corporate media is over there. The Ohio cops and all the other "reporters" didn't know how to e-mail apparently.1 reporter e-mailed declan though, from Dacron.(HA!) >>an Australian journalist<< Frank Sinatra summed them up nicely once.They are still better than the spook/shill/celebrity/rabid hack united snakes crowd. >>confirms mattd/proffr lives there (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02099.html); the Australian press had some coverage (though no photos) << The Herald Sun had heaps and heaps of photos that they supplied directly to police.(1 is a beauty,Anarchist magazine cover right there.) The Hun save the police the expense and bother of running an aboveground special branch. >>of his problems with the local constabulary. See: http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=proffr > Company probably don't consider him worth the effort -<< Agent faustine and Maurice Tate seem to hate my guts and put in a little effort even if only in their spare time. >remember, they are > not interested in having to actually *work* for a living: if it's not hanging > low enough to practically touch the ground, it's not fruit that they care to > sample. Jackson games,e-gold,they do get out and about sometimes.They have a caste system and Empire to support. >>A Secret Service agent reportedly showed up at one of mattd/proffr's hearings. << Arrest yes,Rick Walkinshaw,Hawaii.office.adress online.Interested in IRS lately?Check this out.1995 -- Stick This?: Native Hawai'ian activist John Marsh is acquitted in Honolulu of tax evasion charges, using the defense that since the U.S. illegally colonized Hawai'i in 1898, the islanders' descendants are not legally subject to U.S. taxation. >>Cypherpunks should take up a collection to post this video on cryptome.<< What about a nuremburg style site for the filth you lazy whinging pussies? Your a circle of eunuchs. ("Sen-Constable Nicholas Conte << Interesting this is an old name I saw at the daily bleed once.There was once a nic Conte with balls and brains and heart. >>told the court he obtained photographs and video footage of Mr Taylor committing acts of vandalism") -Declan<< He told a court yesterday he doesnt know shit about computers,see "A day in court 2-your taxes at work" story at www.indymedia.org melbourne.Id supply URL but *server overloaded.* Still spuiking for the CATO corporate criminals Declan? you sickening shill you. From rahettinga at EarthLink.Net Fri Jan 11 18:26:56 2002 From: rahettinga at EarthLink.Net (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:26:56 -0500 Subject: Burning Down Dr. Copi (was Re: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics) In-Reply-To: <200201112210.g0BMAvu13698@artifact.psychedelic.net> References: <200201112210.g0BMAvu13698@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: At 2:10 PM -0800 on 1/11/02, "Eric Cordian" makes an actual appeal to ignorance...: > I see not a single denial. Ah. Prove to you that he didn't say it? :-). Not that I care either way, though I expect Peter's probably right on this one. By way of *another* informal fallacy, :-), post hoc, ergo, propter hoc, , with a nod to Bill Walton's old stomping grounds, "if we lived here we'd be home now", and all that: If Sharon said it, there are enough people who hate his guts in the mainstream press that we'd have heard all about it by now. > I certainly don't wish to adopt the position that > nothing is credible that doesn't get mainstream media coverage. But you > are right that it's a bit suspicious. There ya go. *That* makes a whole lot more sense, now, doesn't it? "Never attribute to conspiracy that which can easily be explained by stupidity", or whatever Pournelle said. But then, a good thing never lasts, does it?, viz, > I see no denials of this even more widely reported story, and I find that > suspicious too. Whoops. There you go again, Britney -- or "Eric", or whatever your name is... (Just to help Mr. Choate in his subsequent mailbombs on informal logic, I offer the following link farm. Knock yourself out, Jim...: ) Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From rahettinga at EarthLink.Net Fri Jan 11 18:29:32 2002 From: rahettinga at EarthLink.Net (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:29:32 -0500 Subject: Israel's control of the U.S. -- and debunking rumors In-Reply-To: <200201112346.g0BNkAj13850@artifact.psychedelic.net> References: <200201112346.g0BNkAj13850@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: At 3:46 PM -0800 on 1/11/02, Eric Cordian wrote: > Also, he doesn't debunk the quote. Woops. There you go again, another "prove a negative". Ignorantum is bliss, yes, Britney? Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From mch at eco-anarchy.org Fri Jan 11 21:58:41 2002 From: mch at eco-anarchy.org (Mark Henderson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:58:41 -0800 Subject: tree huggers as terrorists In-Reply-To: <2A7ACAD2-0711-11D6-BBD5-00306577F12E@bounty.org>; from petro@bounty.org on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 08:02:16PM -0800 References: <3C3DEAF0.EB528B97@cdc.gov> <2A7ACAD2-0711-11D6-BBD5-00306577F12E@bounty.org> Message-ID: <20020111215841.A8884@eco-anarchy.org> On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 08:02:16PM -0800, Petro wrote: > destroy this (America) country and our way of life, while the eco-facists > *do* want to destroy this country and our way of life, but don't come > right out and say it. > > If they (the eco-fascists) had their way, they would wind up being the > cause of a lot more than a measly 3k dead. If the "tree huggers" had their way, this planet might actually be inhabitable a few hundred years from now. What makes you think that the current American way of life is actually sustainable? From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 03:10:31 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:10:31 +1100 Subject: Mr Mc Catohead. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020111220336.00a56e90@pop.useoz.com> >>mattd rote: >Agent faustine...seem[s] to hate my guts.... Golly-gee-willikers Batman, I wonder why. [Way-back machine entry, late last year] Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:27:13 +1100 To: cypherpunks at lne.com From: mattd AT FIRST FAUSTINE WASN'T SURE ABOUT THIS HUGE DILDO BUT SHE ONLY NEEDED A LITTLE BIT OF CONVINCING. WE LUBED IT UP WITH HER WET PUSSY AND SHE WAS BEGGING FOR IT IN HER TIGHT LITTLE ASSHOLE... WE COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW DEEP SHE TOOK IT! BUT SHE LOVED EVERY INCH AND THEN WANTED MORE! DO YOU KNOW ANY MORE GIRLS LIKE FAUSTINE?<< Looks like you got all the puritans and we got all the criminals eh! (you are a septic tank,I take it.) If you go back a little further you'll see that I attempted to engage with agent faustine on her pet subjects. Subject non resposive,seems to have a "hard on" for Timmy boy. So I was experimenting with different ways to tickle her fancy? So What? Different strokes.Thanks for prolonging the subject line.All Punks should know what a Hoe McCato head is. From david at morningwood.net Fri Jan 11 20:20:59 2002 From: david at morningwood.net (david) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:20:59 -0600 Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02011122205902.12380@localhost.localdomain> On Friday 11 January 2002 08:31 pm, Jim Choate wrote: > You simply can't go around shooting people you lure onto your > property in Texas. > I certainly never said anything like that. If you are going to put words in my mouth then you don't need me to carry on. Knock yourself out. David Neilson From jei at cc.hut.fi Fri Jan 11 12:59:21 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:59:21 +0200 (EET) Subject: Is George W. Bush God's President? Message-ID: http://www.observer.com/pages/conason.asp January 10, 2002|2:05 PM Rudolph Giuliani, a devout but not excessively rigorous Catholic, announced that `there was some divine guidance in the President being elected.' Is George W. Bush God's President? by Joe Conason Do tax cuts for the wealthy represent the will of God? What might normally be an impertinent and perhaps offensive question suddenly seems entirely reasonable after hearing George W. Bush's ungrammatical but passionate pledge to defend the tax cuts his administration provided to the richest, smallest segment of American citizens, at the cost of his own life if need be. The vow he uttered during his town-hall meeting in California over the weekend - "Not over my dead body will they raise your taxes!" - was the strongest he's made on any subject since his promise to deliver Osama bin Laden to justice "dead or alive." Even allowing for hyperbole, such edgy remarks indicate what matters most to Mr. Bush. For the moment, however, he appears more capable of fulfilling the former promise than the latter. And since it has lately become respectable to discuss his elevation to the nation's highest office as a matter of divine will, Mr. Bush's deep determination to empty the Treasury into the pockets of friends and supporters may likewise signify the unknowable agenda of the Almighty. Unbelievers will scoff at such notions, but in the wake of Sept. 11, the idea that a higher power ordained the inauguration of Mr. Bush is no longer confined to the loonier fringes of the religious right. While the President and the First Lady modestly demur whenever this topic comes up, others around the Oval Office assert that they are convinced. "I think President Bush is God's man at this hour," a top White House aide told a religious publication not long ago. Ralph Reed, the former director of the Christian Coalition who now chairs the G.O.P. in Georgia, says his fellow evangelicals believe God selected the President because "He knew George Bush had the ability to lead in this compelling way." Nor is this revelation confined solely to Protestant conservatives. Two days before Christmas, Rudolph Giuliani, a devout but not excessively rigorous Catholic, announced his own opinion that "there was some divine guidance in the President being elected." In this sentiment, the Time magazine "Man of the Year" was swiftly seconded by a Catholic bishop. (Again, a skeptic might impiously wonder why the Lord didn't simply bless Mr. Bush with the actual majority of votes. But faith is nothing without mystery.) The implications of all this are obviously profound. If the President is indeed guided by Providence in lavishing additional billions upon those who already enjoy so much material abundance - even while the numbers of unemployed, uninsured and homeless soar - then his ascension may represent a millennial reversal of heavenly policy. Until now, few directives have been clearer than the guidance enunciated by prophets of both the Old and New Testaments regarding earthly greed. "Woe to you who are rich," Jesus told his disciples, "for you have already received your comfort." The impoverished carpenter also reportedly informed a well-heeled acquaintance that it is "easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." His best-known speech included the admonition that "you cannot serve both God and Mammon." Universally familiar as those statements are, they are reliably among the most widely ignored. Entire schools of theology, across all ecumenical lines, have long been devoted to parsing a convenient loophole in such injunctions. They aren't the sort of Biblical quotations that politicians try to post in public schools, or that televangelists cite as evidence that Republicans are the party of God. What a relief it would be if the tax policy of the Bush administration means that we no longer have to worry about worshipping the golden calf. Divine inspiration may not be a persuasive explanation for Mr. Bush's fiscal schemes, which are pushing the government into deficit and threatening to prolong the recession. It is indeed hard to imagine that any omniscient power would prefer a $254 million tax break for Enron to a cut in payroll taxes for the working poor. But it's just as difficult to credit any of the more earthly justifications emanating from the White House press office. In any case, not all branches of the federal government have awakened yet to the new dispensation. On the same day that Mr. Bush made his "dead body" remark, a report issued by the Congressional Budget Office disparaged his tax cuts as useless for reviving the economy. According to the C.B.O. analysis, better results would ensue from more progressive cuts in payroll and sales taxes. While the nonpartisan report appropriately said nothing about theology, its recommendations were highly reminiscent of that old-fashioned scriptural preference for the poor and the toilers. So perhaps Mr. Bush's supporters should reconsider their political epiphany. The followers of the last public figure who claimed to be executing God's will are now dodging daisy-cutters. You may reach Joe Conason via email at: jconason at observer.com. This column ran on page 5 in the 1/14/2002 edition of The New York Observer. Joe Conason is the author of The Hunting of the President: the Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton Get it today: COPYRIGHT © 2001 THE NEW YORK OBSERVER ALL RIGHTS RESERVED From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 04:15:19 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:15:19 +1100 Subject: Tim May;Bombastic conservative,pseudo anarchist and serial pest. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020111231435.00a5f300@pop.useoz.com> Forgot what I was going to say...sorry. From declan at well.com Fri Jan 11 20:32:06 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:32:06 -0500 Subject: Ariel Sharon's Alleged Faux Pas In-Reply-To: <200201120326.g0C3QbS14306@artifact.psychedelic.net>; from emc@artifact.psychedelic.net on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 07:26:21PM -0800 References: <200201120326.g0C3QbS14306@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: <20020111233206.A29902@cluebot.com> On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 07:26:21PM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: > This is not simply a case of reporting something, and then tossing the > burden of proof on the opposition to prove it wasn't said. This is a case > of something pretty widely disseminated on the Net, to which not a single Well, yes, but so are plenty of urban legends, myths, and rumors. > official voice of opposition has been raised. In a general subject area > where the slightest dissent generally makes one a big target. The only two sightings in any newspaper, magazine, newsletter, radio station, cable channel, or broadcast outlet archived by Lexis-Nexis (and there are thousands) were two smallish newspapers. Hardly worth a serious attempt at debunking. They may even have gone unnoticed by the Weisenthal Center and their allies. Not that I'm a huge fan of what the Weisenthal Center has done in terms of Internet regulation, but I'm also insufficiently credulous to accept all extraordinary statements as fact. -Declan From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 04:57:09 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:57:09 +1100 Subject: Mr Mc Catohead. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020111234250.00a529d0@pop.useoz.com> >>At 10:10 PM 1/11/2002 +1100, mattd wrote: <...> Your manner of compressing quoted text is offensive to me. Don't bother, I'm letting myself out. >All Punks should know what a Hoe McCato head is. I'd say you were the rake, you cannot even retype the subject line once without changing it. Goodbye.<< Ah...the subject line,what a piece of work is a Mr Mc Catohead,how mighty in the blah blah blah... I included your entire post,sue me.I just did it again.Send Brittany Spears down here. Does another aussi suspect declan is a blabbermouth? This just in...START >>Subject: Re: Killfile yaada yaada. On Friday, 11 Jan 2002 at 20:33, mattd wrote: > Hey mate,howareya? Ive got a pressie for ya.Send us your snail. what pressie?You can work out my snail from list archives if you like. Especially if declan gives a big hint like he did on your address. FROM Ralph Wallis < References: <200201120326.g0C3QbS14306@artifact.psychedelic.net> <20020111233206.A29902@cluebot.com> Message-ID: At 11:32 PM -0500 on 1/11/02, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Not that I'm a huge fan of what the Weisenthal Center has done > in terms of Internet regulation, but I'm also insufficiently > credulous to accept all extraordinary statements as fact. Right. As Mr. Nye the Science Guy -- or anyone else with a skeptical neuron in his head -- says, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." Video/audio tape would be nice, for instance... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. 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Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com Justice Opens Criminal Probe Of Enron By Kevin Drawbaugh 1-10-2 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Justice Department said on Wednesday it had opened a criminal investigation of Enron Corp., as the controversy over the energy giant's collapse widened. Officials declined to say exactly when the criminal probe began. But they said it was centered in the department's criminal division and that a task force was being set up to handle the case. Robert Bennett, attorney for Enron, said, "When this investigation is finished, a lot of the things that people are reading and hearing will be proven to be not true." He said he was pleased the Justice Department was centralizing its inquiry. "It is very difficult to deal with multiple entities ... We have been in contact with several different prosecutors," Bennett said. Once the world's largest energy trader, Enron slid in mere weeks last year from Wall Street stardom to making the largest bankruptcy filing in U.S. history on Dec. 2. Its downfall, after withdrawal of a rescue takeover bid by rival Dynegy Inc., threw thousands out of work and devastated investors. The episode sapped the life savings of many Enron employees whose 401 (k) retirement plans depended on the company's stock, while top executives allegedly pocketed fat profits by selling ahead of a dizzying plunge in the share price. The White House on Wednesday said it was likely to soon propose new policies to guard against a repeat of the Enron debacle. White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, asked about the Justice Department probe, told Reuters it was important to get to the bottom of the Enron collapse and develop new policies to protect workers and pensioners. "It's important for the investigation to proceed to determine what was done and why it was done. The president also believes it's important to explore new policies so it (a similar collapse) can never happen again," Fleischer said. Asked whether new policies would be announced soon, he said, "likely." ENRON FACES MULTIPLE PROBES The Houston, Texas-based company, once ranked No. 7 on the Fortune 500 list of large corporations, is also being probed by five congressional committees, the market-regulating Securities and Exchange Commission and the Labor Department. At the heart of Enron's problems were complex financial partnerships - - known as special-purpose entities -- set up by Enron executives and used to keep debt off the company's highly leveraged books. After some deals involving the partnerships went sour, Enron in October had to take a $1 billion charge against earnings and cut shareholder equity by $1.2 billion. Those moves drew market attention to the partnerships, triggering a crisis in investor confidence and credit-rating downgrades that ultimately led to bankruptcy court. The SEC said its 10-week-old probe of Enron and its long-time auditor, the accounting firm Andersen, would not be altered by the Justice Department's action. "The Justice Department and the SEC frequently run concurrent investigations," said SEC spokeswoman Christi Harlan. The decision at Justice to move to a full-fledged criminal investigation came after weeks of examining whether such a probe was warranted, officials said. They were unable to say whether any charges would ever result from the investigation. "I'm not assuming they will file charges," Bennett said. "This is a very preliminary investigation ... To my knowledge there's no evidence of wrongdoing yet. You have a business failure and you have a lot of allegations. But allegations are not the same as evidence." The departmental task force on the case is expected to include federal prosecutors from Houston, New York and San Francisco. Also on the task force will be members of the Justice Department's fraud section, officials said. Enron was a major contributor to the election campaign of President Bush, as well as many other lawmakers in Washington. The once politically powerful company also advised the Bush administration on energy policy. The head of Congress' investigative arm said on Wednesday he would decide within a month whether to sue the White House over its refusal to name industry executives the administration met with last year while drafting its new energy policy. Shares in Enron closed on Wednesday at 79 cents on the New York Stock Exchange, off an August 2000 high of $90.56. ***** Enron Auditor Says Documents Gone Associated Press Last Updated: Jan. 10, 2002 at 3:39:49 p.m. WASHINGTON - The firm that audited the books of collapsed Enron Corp., Arthur Andersen LLP, disclosed Thursday that its employees had destroyed a ``significant but undetermined'' number of documents related to the company. Federal law enforcement agencies and congressional investigators are seeking the documents as part of their inquiries into the failure of the giant energy-trading company, which left countless investors burned and employees out of work with billions of dollars of losses in their Enron-heavy retirement accounts. Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., whose House Energy and Commerce Committee is among the agencies and panels investigating, called the destruction of documents ``a deeply troubling development.'' ``Anyone who destroyed records simply out of stupidity should be fired. Anyone who destroyed records to try and subvert our investigation should be prosecuted,'' Tauzin said. The Big Five accounting firm said in a statement that in recent months, electronic files and other documents related to its auditing of Enron had been destroyed or deleted. Chicago-based Andersen said its company policy ``required in certain circumstances the destruction of certain types of documents.'' However, the firm said, millions of documents related to Enron still exist, and it has managed to retrieve some of the deleted electronic files. Andersen said it is continuing retrieval efforts through electronic backup files, ``and is continuing in its efforts to fully learn and understand all the facts related to this issue.'' Andersen has asked John Danforth, the former Missouri attorney general and U.S. senator, ``to conduct an immediate and comprehensive review of Andersen's records management policy and to recommend improvements.'' Andersen's auditing work for Enron, which entered last month into the largest corporate bankruptcy in U.S. history, is being investigated by the Securities and Exchange Commission. The surprise announcement by Andersen came in a day punctuated by revelations from members of the Bush administration concerning Enron. The White House disclosed that Enron Chairman Kenneth L. Lay reached out to two of President Bush's Cabinet officers when the energy company was collapsing. Attorney General John Ashcroft, who received campaign contributions from Enron executives during his failed 2000 senatorial bid, said he will recuse himself from the criminal investigation of Enron being conducted by the Justice Department. Andersen said that in recent months, people in the firm involved with the Enron auditing ``disposed of a significant but undetermined number of electronic and paper documents and correspondence.'' Ken Johnson, a spokesman for Tauzin, said Andersen officials told committee investigators Thursday that thousands of documents had been destroyed. ***** http://www.wsws.org WSWS : News & Analysis : North America New York Times defends Bush on links to Enron corporate fraud By David Walsh 10 January 2002 True to form, the editors of the New York Times have rushed to the defense of President Bush against suggestions that his administration could be implicated in one of the largest corporate frauds in history, which produced the collapse of Enron Corporation, the energy trading giant. Bush administration officials, and George W. Bush personally, had the most intimate ties to top Enron officials, including Chairman and CEO Kenneth Lay, one of the biggest fundraisers for the Bush 2000 campaign and the finance chairman of the Bush inaugural. The company filed for Chapter 11 status in December, the largest corporate bankruptcy in US history, leaving thousands of workers unemployed and with decimated retirement savings, and devastating thousands more small investors. Ten congressional committees and federal agencies have announced investigations into suspected illegal activities at the once high- flying firm, which at one time ranked seventh on the Fortune 500 list of the largest companies in the US, and whose stock price, once more than $90, had fallen to 66 cents a share by January 4. The Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, chaired by Joseph Lieberman, the Connecticut Democrat, will open hearings January 24. A January 4 Times editorial, "The Enron Post-Mortem," noted: "No company has more generously backed President Bush throughout his political career than Enron," adding that company Chairman Kenneth Lay, "was among the influential advisers to Vice President Dick Cheney's secretive energy task force last spring." Then the Times arrives at its central theme: "Democrats ... should resist the temptation to use the Enron saga for cheap political gain. Talk of a `cancer on the presidency' [a reference to the Watergate scandal] and of a `Bush Whitewater' is unwarranted at this point, and threatens to trivialize and unduly politicize an inquiry vital to the health of the American economy." One has to rub one's eyes in disbelief. This comes from the newspaper that helped launch Whitewater—with a notorious article by Jeff Gerth in March 1992—and elevate it into a national scandal. Countless editorials appeared in the Times over the years portraying Whitewater as of monumental significance and declaring that every other scandal and misstep of the Clinton administration somehow flowed from it. Looked at objectively, Whitewater was small change. The real estate scheme was liquidated years before Clinton entered the White House and involved a failed investment, on the Clintons' part, of less than $100,000. It had no financial or political significance until the American media, led by the Times, and Clinton's far-right political opponents, seized on it as a pretext to undermine the Democratic administration. The collapse of multibillion-dollar Enron, on the other hand, has vast implications. It is a serious economic blow to tens of thousands of people, its former workers first of all. As the Washington Post noted, "Enron's employees were encouraged to invest their 401(k) plans in Enron stock, which came to make up more than half the assets in the company's retirement system. Enron's collapse therefore left many of the 4,500 U.S. employees who were laid off pensionless as well as jobless." A 33-year-old employee of the firm told senators in December that the value of his Enron stock had fallen from $1.3 million to $20,000. Charles Prestwood told his questioners, "I'm a very broke person. I lost everything I had." Company officials, according to widely reported allegations, forced employees to hold on to their stock as its value plunged in October and November. Executives reportedly meanwhile sold their shares and, on the eve of the declaration of bankruptcy, distributed some $100 million in bonuses to hundreds of high-level employees. Enron and the Republican Party Everything one learns about the operation of this company, to put it bluntly, stinks to high heaven. And linking the scandal to the Republican Party and the current White House is not an exercise in partisan "politicizing," let alone "trivializing." Enron is itself the product of the policies pursued by the Republican right—and largely supported by the Democrats—over the past decade and a half, through the deregulation of energy markets. And the personal ties between Enron and the Bush administration are so extensive that one can only indicate them in outline form: * Kenneth Lay, Enron's chairman, has been George W. Bush's chief financial supporter and key backer since the latter went into politics. The connection between Lay and the Bush family goes back to the administration of the elder George Bush. Lay, known to the current president as "Kenny Boy," was a White House guest during the first Bush administration, which sponsored the passage of the 1992 Energy Policy Act. This legislation compelled established utility companies to open their transmission lines to electricity distributed through Enron's speculative marketing. * Lay and Enron together have given $2 million to George W. Bush's election efforts. In 2000 a company memo "recommended" that employees contribute to the Bush campaign: low-level managers were urged to give $500 and senior executives at least $5,000. Lay was listed by the Bush-Cheney campaign in 2000 as one of the "Pioneers" who raised at least $100,000, while Enron gave $100,000 to the inauguration gala, a contribution matched by Lay and his wife personally. * Lay was the only energy company executive to meet alone with Cheney when the latter was holding his secret discussion last year on a new energy policy. Cheney has so far rebuffed efforts by the General Accounting Office to reveal the others participants at those meetings and what they discussed. * Between 1995 and 2000 Enron donated $4.4 million to presidential and congressional candidates, more than any other company except UPS and Lockheed Martin. Enron contributed to the campaigns of 71 of the 100 current senators and nearly half the 435 members of congress. The investment paid off. In 2000 Enron secured exemption for its energy derivatives business under an act regulating commodity trading futures. * Another major beneficiary of Enron financial generosity has been Senator Phil Gramm, the Texas Republican right-wing demagogue, who pushed through the 2000 legislation just cited and whose wife Wendy sits on the company's board of directors. Wendy Gramm served under the first Bush as chair of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission at the time it allowed for an exemption in the trading of energy derivatives, which later became Enron's most lucrative activity. Gramm resigned from her government position to take a seat on Enron's board. In November 1998 she sold $276, 912 in Enron stock. * A number of other members of the first Bush administration joined Enron after Clinton's victory in 1992, including James Baker (who helped mastermind the hijacking of the Florida vote in 2000) and Commerce Secretary Robert Mosbacher. * Numerous officials went directly from Enron to the new administration in 2001, following the installation of George W. Bush. For example, Thomas White Jr., Bush's secretary of the Army, had been Vice Chairman of Enron Energy Services; he also served as a member of Enron's Executive Committee and Chief Executive Officer for Enron Operations Corporation. Bush's top economic adviser, Lawrence Lindsey, was an Enron consultant. Trade representative Robert Zoellick, an official in the Reagan administration and former counselor to Baker when he was secretary of the Treasury, served on Enron's Advisory council. Chief White House political adviser and dirty tricks operator, Karl Rove, at one time owned Enron stock worth $250,000. * In December Bush named former Montana governor Mark Racicot, and a registered lobbyist for the firm of Bracewell & Patterson where he personally represented Enron, as chair of the Republican National Committee. Racicot insisted that he would continue representing Enron and his other corporate clients—with the blessing of the White House— even while heading the Republican Party, making him "instantly," in the words of one commentator, "the most powerful influence peddler in Washington." There is another sense in which the Enron collapse is connected to the White House. Both the Houston-based corporation and the Bush administration have engaged in massive misrepresentation of their financial books. Enron systematically shifted debts to off-book partnerships set up by company executives, to disguise the fact that it had relatively few assets. The Bush administration engaged in financial flimflam on an even larger scale in pushing through its record tax cut for the wealthy. If it happened under Clinton? What if the spectacular collapse of a massive corporate enterprise, operated by one of the president's closest cronies, had occurred under the previous administration? Columnist Molly Ivins legitimately asks her readers to imagine that "Clinton's long-time, all-time biggest campaign contributor, a guy for whom Clinton has carried water over the years, a guy with unparalleled `access,' a shaper of policy, a man with a veto on regulatory appointments affecting his business, with connections at every level of the administration, a political fixer beyond the wildest dreams of James Riady—imagine that this guy's worldwide empire has tumbled into bankruptcy in just three months amid cascading reports of lies, monumental accounting errors, evasions, iffy financial statements, insider deals, a board of directors rife with conflicts of interest, top executives bailing out with millions while regular employees see their life savings shrink to nothing—imagine all this back in the day of Bill Clinton.... [W] e'd have four congressional investigations, three special prosecutors, two impeachment inquiries ... by now." This seems perfectly obvious, but not to the Times editors. As a corporate entity, Enron proved to be a criminal conspiracy. It shares this characteristic with the Bush administration. Indeed Enron's fingerprints are all over the present regime; its officials have helped draw up policy; its former officials are running important departments of the US government. In the face of this, the Times editors caution the Democrats against seeking "cheap political gain" from the affair. (The Washington Post editorialized January 6 along the same lines, chastising Democrats who "seem tempted" to focus "on links between Enron and the Bush administration.") The attempt by the Times to minimize the political significance of the Enron disaster and thus render aid and comfort to George W. Bush is consistent with the rightward turn by what passes today for American liberalism, a thoroughly rotten and compromised political force. Throughout the Clinton administration, the Times collaborated with ultra-right-wing forces in keeping the pot boiling in a series of largely concocted scandals, which did not lead to criminal charges but disrupted the administration politically, culminating in Clinton's impeachment and Senate trial. The Times joined in the witch- hunt over Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky, giving a political cover to Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, the congressional Republican leadership and a cabal of right-wing lawyers, judges and political operatives. While the Times warns today about "trivializing" the Enron collapse, it engaged in just such conduct throughout the Whitewater-Lewinsky years, insisting that the central issue was always the minutiae of Clinton's financial dealings in the 1980s, or his sexual activity in the 1990s, or whether he lied about one or the other, and not the right-wing campaign to stage a political coup d'état and oust an elected president. This campaign culminated in the theft of the 2000 presidential election and the installation of Bush in the White House by the Supreme Court. Having fueled the anti-Clinton fires and having accepted the hijacking of last year's election with barely a murmur of complaint, the Times editors have a vested interest in covering up for the regime that has come to power in part as the result of their own reactionary and cowardly positions. Moreover, their support for Bush's war in Afghanistan would be further discredited if they were obliged to admit that it was being run by the associates of corporate gangsters. In general, the Times editors react with hostility to anything that might encourage the growth of political and social opposition to the established order. Their January 4 editorial begins by referring to the need "to restore confidence in American capitalism and in the integrity of its financial markets." A dishonest and ill-fated project. The Times editors know—as well as anyone, for this is their milieu—that the American corporate and Wall Street establishments are corrupt to the bone and wracked by crisis. It will take considerably more than this kind of cynical and hypocritical editorializing to put that Humpty Dumpty together again. If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit: http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist Or, e-mail konformist-subscribe at egroups.com with the subject: "I NEED 2 KONFORM!!!" (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) Visit the Klub Konformist at Yahoo!: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/klubkonformist Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From petro at bounty.org Sat Jan 12 01:01:21 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:01:21 -0800 Subject: tree huggers as terrorists In-Reply-To: <20020111215841.A8884@eco-anarchy.org> Message-ID: On Friday, January 11, 2002, at 09:58 PM, Mark Henderson wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 08:02:16PM -0800, Petro wrote: >> destroy this (America) country and our way of life, while the eco-facists >> *do* want to destroy this country and our way of life, but don't come >> right out and say it. >> If they (the eco-fascists) had their way, they would wind up being >> the >> cause of a lot more than a measly 3k dead. > If the "tree huggers" had their way, this planet might actually be > inhabitable a few hundred years from now. > What makes you think that the current American way of life is > actually sustainable? Things like air and water quality in London being better than they have been since the late 1500s. Things like the inflation adjusted cost of metals, energy and food *AROUND THE WORLD* are lower than at any time in history (meaning that while they may be more expensive in real terms than last year, they are significantly lower than they were in my grandfathers time). Life is better for the vast majority of the world than it's ever been, largely due to Americas "excessive" consumption and desire for cheaper goods. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 06:06:40 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:06:40 +1100 Subject: POON on PUNKS Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020112004528.00a60c90@pop.useoz.com> After Genoa,where the black bloc was probably infiltrated by 600 nazi's,and 9-11 that unleashed the jingo monster,many anarchists are casting around for new ways to take down the state.Greenpeace just copped a humungous fine and might also be seaking alternative protest strategies.While all that's going on the Homeland military industrial godzilla is frightening many people and even some lawyers into the crypto-anarchist direction.If you need PGP just to e-mail your kids safely... All these swirling currents have created a window of opportunity or "sweet spot" for the mass promotion of Cypherpunk approved crypto-anarchy.In the book and series "A force more powerful," the raw power of mass civil disobedience is demonstrated again and again.With the Internet,the fact that you may be a minority in your nation state becomes much less important,security and solidarity become more important,even revolutionary against a divided foe.While the technical advances plateau for a nano-second why don't we all link,agitate,connect,protest,boycott,sabotage,expand,contract,do all we can short of self immolate to get crypto-anarchy out,in,up down and all around.You know it makes sense. When crypto-anarchy is outlawed only V? PS+++ PE Y+ PGP- t* 5+++ X R* tv b+ DI+ D++ G++>+++ e>++ h-- r++ y+ From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 06:19:26 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:19:26 +1100 Subject: Cornholing as Contraception. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020112011255.00a61220@pop.useoz.com> GM corn set to stop man spreading his seed Special report: GM crops debate Robin McKie, science editor Sunday September 9, 2001 The Observer Scientists have created the ultimate GM crop: contraceptive corn. Waiving fields of maize may one day save the world from overpopulation. The pregnancy prevention plants are the handiwork of the San Diego biotechnology company Epicyte, where researchers have discovered a rare class of human antibodies that attack sperm. By isolating the genes that regulate the manufacture of these antibodies, and by putting them in corn plants, the company has created tiny horticultural factories that make contraceptives. 'We have a hothouse filled with corn plants that make anti-sperm antibodies,' said Epicyte president Mitch Hein. 'We have also created corn plants that make antibodies against the herpes virus, so we should be able to make a plant-based jelly that not only prevents pregnancy but also blocks the spread of sexual disease.' Contraceptive corn is based on research on the rare condition, immune infertility, in which a woman makes antibodies that attack sperm. 'Essentially, the antibodies are attracted to surface receptors on the sperm,' said Hein. 'They latch on and make each sperm so heavy it cannot move forward. It just shakes about as if it was doing the lambada.' Normally, biologists use bacteria to grow human proteins. However, Epicyte decided to use corn because plants have cellular structures that are much more like those of humans, making them easier to manipulate. The company, which says it will not grow the maize near other crops, says it plans to launch clinical trials of the corn in a few months.END (See also Germaine Greers Sex and Destiny;review here... http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/05/09/specials/greer.html From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 07:46:38 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:46:38 +1100 Subject: Public Image Ltd. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020112024506.00a5b3a0@pop.useoz.com> wake up! wake up! It's yer moderate voice of anarchic reason SchNEWS Published in Brighton by Justice? - Brighton's Direct Action collective ISSUE 337, January 11th, 2002 FULL OF MELCHETT "The majority of NGOs and activists do not understand how public relations firms are helping corporations manipulate them. This is a fundamental strategic mistake." - Andy Rowell author of Green Backlash. This week Peter Melchett the former head of Greenpeace UK made famous for helping to trash genetic crops in Norfolk has turned coats and become a consultant for Burson-Marsteller - the biggest public relations (PR) company in the world. Ironically Burson-Marsteller (B-M) are the PR Company for the genetic engineering company Monsanto. They specialise in 'greenwashing' - making corporations look like they're being nice to the environment when in fact they're doing the complete opposite. B-M have done PR makeovers for such nice companies as Union Carbide after the Bhopal gas leak killed up to 15,000 people in India, and Exxon after the Exxon-Valdez oil tanker ran aground in Alaska causing the worst oil spill in history. They even defended the 1980's military dictatorship in Argentina that saw 35,000 civilians 'disappear'. Melchett says he isn't compromising his principles as he will choose which companies to work with (but with the likes of Monsanto, BP, Nestle, Shell, Unilever, Sainsbury's and British Nuclear Fuels on their books that's some choice!). But talking to environmentalists is standard a tactic used by PR companies to green a company's image. Managing Activism, published by the UK Institute of Public Relations, describes this process, in typical PR speak, as "two-way symmetrical communications" which "offer a way forward where the company does not have to give in to activists or persuade them to give in." And the hiring of activists is described by PR Watch as "a crude but effective way to derail potentially meddlesome activists." It seems that Melchett is being led up the genetically modified garden path. CON MERCHANTS "It is easier and less costly to change the way people think about reality than it is to change reality." - PR adviser Morris Wolfe. The modern PR industry dates back to the 1930s when companies realised they could use World War I style propaganda to deal with social movements and unions. PR companies are not interested in facts only images. B-M advise clients to concentrate on 'stories - not issues' and 'symbols - not logic', because "...symbols are central to politics because they connect to emotions, not logic." And these 'symbols' end up being reported in the media as crap lifestyle stories with the real issues not discussed. This is especially unsurprising since B-M is in partnership with ITN (Independent Television News) running the Corporate Television Networks (CTN) - which use ITN staff and facilities to make promotional videos for business clients - CTN videos have ended up in ITN broadcasts. When the likes of Melchett give endorsements it makes the stories and symbols gain credibility with a cynical public. When cash strapped environmental charities take a few quid from companies, they do little to further their causes, yet greatly benefit the image of the companies involved. The WorldWide Fund for Nature accepted $1 million from oil firms Chevron and BP for a conservation project in Papua New Guinea (between them BP and Chevron make over $20,000 million profit per year). In return, leaked documents from Chevron revealed, "WWF will act as a buffer for the joint venture against ... international environmental criticism." In 2000 WWF held back publication of a damning report on tropical forest destruction, for fear of upsetting the companies it named. It is not just charities and activists that are used by the PR companies. There are a whole load of front groups set up to present a different picture to what environmentalists are saying. In 1989 B-M set up the Global Climate Coalition to discredit warnings about climate change; people involved in the Coalition include most of the big oil companies, motor manufacturers and chemical companies. PR companies also specialise in creating their own grass roots groups. In North America and Australia this has led to the rise of the Wise Use Movement. Using campaigning tactics similar to environmental groups they scare farmers, forestry workers, miners, etc. into thinking that the environmental movement is out to destroy jobs and ways of life. Thousands of timber jobs in North America have been lost to automation, economic rationalisation and export of raw logs, but environmental protection is used as an easy scapegoat. Behind these groups which present a front of concerned citizens and workers, are big businesses. For example People For the West! who claim a membership of 18,000 is funded by 200 companies and 12 of its 13 directors are mining company executives! So how do PR companies deal with yer uncompromising activists? Well it is that age-old tactic, divide and rule - exploit differences in the movement by co-opting the more conservative elements and ridiculing the radicals. PR companies divide activists up into categories such as radicals, opportunists, idealists and realists. 'Idealists' are educated and altruistic and should be changed into 'realists' who are willing to work within the system for change and 'opportunists' are simply careerists who want jobs and power. So Melchett seems to have migrated from an idealist to an opportunist. The most problematic group are the 'radicals' who want to change the system or have underlying political motives, the tactic of the PR gurus is to isolate the radicals from the support of the realists and idealists. Labels like extremists and terrorists are attached to anyone who refuses to compromise or takes effective action. But since PR companies are not interested in issues, only stories then this sort of doublespeak is unsurprising. SchNEWS thinks maybe a leaf should be taken out of the PR experts' book and we should start describing radical capitalists as uncompromising extremists using terror tactics to destroy the environment and wreck people's lives in the pursuit of profit. * Further Info: PR Watch produces a regular bulletins: www.prwatch.org, read 'Global Spin' by Sharon Beder (Green Books) or 'Green Backlash' by Andy Rowell (Routledge). WORLD POWER PROPAGANDA Burson-Marsteller is the biggest PR company in the world, with offices in 32 countries and 1,700 employees. B-M is owned by the WPP group, who own 17 other PR companies. Believe it or not but WPP began life as Wire & Plastic Products a small British company making shopping baskets! In 1985 it was bought up by Martin Sorrell, financial director of Saatchi & Saatchi, he then acquired lots of marketing and PR companies and is now the world's largest communications group with a massive ability to influence the way people think. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ REBEL ALLIANCE Get together of Brighton's direct action groups (7-8pm), followed by Life Before Profit - a rally to stop the corporate killers (8-9.30pm), then DJ's (till 12.30 am). Monday 21st January at the Komedia, Gardner Street, Brighton. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ POSITIVE SchNEWS We know that reading SchNEWS can sometimes be a bit of a wrist slashing experience, so we thought we'd dedicate a page of the first issue of 2002 to positive news stories. - Stories of people getting together in their communities to come up with grass-roots solutions to some of the world's problems... enjoy it while you can because it'll be back to the depressing stuff next week. END Excerpt. That's not me obviously so unless you wanna http://www.ainfos.ca/A-Infos/ainfos08034.html From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 07:53:42 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:53:42 +1100 Subject: Vital Anarchist Text. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020112024852.00a5b120@pop.useoz.com> Hello Friends and comrades: Back in 1979, when I was a prisoner at the federal penitentiary in Marion, Illinois (USA), I managed to put together a manuscript for a small booklet called Anarchism and the Black Revolution, and smuggled it past prison authorities. It was my 3rd attempt because every on every other occasion, it was seized when guards searched my cell, and I was either beaten or kept in solitary confinement. But, I saw it as an important attempt to steer the international Anarchist movement around discussions of building a more diverse movement, dealing with rising fascist and racist movements of the 1970's and early 1980's, and explaining the tenents of Anarchism to people of color who had never heard of it. It was my hope just to cause discussion of these matters, and also to express my frustrations with the Anarchist movement of that period's aversion to the Black liberation/anti-racist movements then unfolding, not only in the Southern USA, but in the country generally. Because of my frustration, I had dropped out of Anarchist organizing when I was released from prison in 1983. I was deeply hurt that no one had taken to heart the message of the book, and so began to do local anti-racist organizing in Tennessee. Somewhere along the line, a group of Anarchists joined with the efforts of our anti-police brutality group in Chattanooga, and I became friends and allies of them without even knowing this. They had never mentioned their beliefs in all the years of our association, until one day I mentioned how disillusioned I was about Anarchism, and they told me how many young people, prisoners, and activists had been moved by the small booklet, that it had been reproduced by hand xeroxing, and that many all over the world now agreed with me. They said people had been trying to connect with me for years. I was astounded to learn this, and through them I attended an Anarchist event in Philadelphia. Somehow, I was cajoled (or tricked) to speak, and the room was full of young people. They were asking for the book, but I did not have it, so friends at a small Anarchist press called Monkeywrench Press offered to publish it for free if I would write a new version. So I rushed back home and threw myself into doing a revised version, and they came out with 2,000 copies, which sold out within six months after I did a Northeastern college speaking tour. That was in 1994, and I had not worked on the book since. I had xeroxed thousands of copies and sold them all over the world, due to the demand for it everywhere I speak. I am always being asked when I would do a new version, on one occasion, the Wooden Shoe Bookstore offered to print a new copy, but I was not ready. I was under severe pressure from the state of Tennessee because of my years of activism, and went through a number of criminal trials right after the revised book was printed and released. I did not have writer's block, I was fighting for my life. It is only now I am living in Michigan, under different circumstances, have I found the desire to write again. Late last year, I submitted a book grant proposal to the Insitute for Anarchist Studies in New York City to help me re-write and publish a 3rd edition of Anarchism and the Black Revolution. I do not know if they will in fact give me the grant, but it will be for a small amount ($2,000) and this will not be enough for printing the book if I am forced to self-publish it. I also do not know if Anarchist publishing houses would be interested in publishing it, due to disagreements with me personally or disapproval of the book's central premise. Because I cannot depend on anyone to actually publish it, I am asking for the help of Anarchists who were influenced by the book, and would like to see a new edition. I would like for you to help me raise some of the thousands of dollars to a printing house after the manuscript is completed this Spring or early Summer. Here is what I would like you to do: 1. Hold benefit concerts, t-shirt sales, and other events. beg your friends and others for money 2. Print this notice in your newspaper, newsletter or online journal. 3. pre-order the book, it will have a list price of $12.95, and will be $10.00 for volume sales of 10 copies or more. If your or your collective send in hundreds or thousands of dollars, we will consider it a volume sale and in send a bunch of book off to you when printed. 4. Write letters to Anarchist publishing houses that you know of to buy copies. I cannot send copies for consignment just yet, need money to get started. In fact, your letters might even convince one of them to print the book, so all I have to do is write it. 5. Invite me to bookfairs all over the world to sell books and publicize the printing. This is very important to let people know about the new publishing of the book, as well as let them know for our need of money now and pre-order deal. I am sure other folks have their own ideas as to how to help, and believe me, I am very glad for your help. Please contact me at the address below: Lorenzo Komboa Ervin The Rest of the News P.O. Box 19962 Kalamazoo, MI. 49019-0962 komboa at yahoo.com, (or Komboa at hotmail.com, if that mailbox is full) END I have a treasured hand tied black binding and all,70's edition.This pamphlet is DY-NO-MYTE! An anarchist must have. From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 08:18:31 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:18:31 +1100 Subject: Kanadian Kolonization by Krapeaters. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020112031608.00a5ed80@pop.useoz.com> Canada, Skwelkwek'welt Update Here is a chronology of what has happened at Skwekwek'welt (in Secwepemc Territory, "bc, kanada") in the last 2 months: November 4, 2001 - Lorne Dunn of the Sun Peaks Snowmobile Tours drives his snowmobile into MacGillvray Lake and deliberately creates a situation blaming Native youth for assaulting his son. No investigation was held nor were any charges laid. November 8, 2001- Attorney General Geoff Plant discontinues talks with Chief Arthur Manuel citing high tensions in the Skwelkwekwelt area and blaming Secwepemc for the tension, he cites, the snowmobile incident at MacGillvray Lake. November 16, 2001 - Seizure notice is delivered to Secwepemc at MacGillvray Lake and Skwelkwekwelt Protection Center. Police use extreme force and violence to arrest three youth at MacGillvray and issue warrant for two more. December 3 and 5, 2001 - Judge Beames hears injunction application by Sun Peaks Resort and British Columbia Government. Judge Beam9s rules in favor of Sun Peaks and the B. C. Government ruling that they would be more harmed by Secwepemc occupation of their lands. Secwepemc are forbidden for occupying an area at MacGillvray Lake and the base area of the Sun Peaks Resort. December 10, 2001 - Attorney General Geoff Plant and Minister of Sustainable Development Stan Hagan order the removal of the Skwelkwekwelt Protection Center and the demolition of a Secwepemc family home and two sweatlodges at MacGillvray Lake. Reid Tate of Kamloops RCMP order huge snow blockades on the road east of MacGillvray Lake to prevent Secwepemc from returning to the site. December 28, 2001 - Two Secwepemc Elders, one 73 years old and one 75 years old; three Secwepemc women, and one youth are arrested and charged in a road block on road to Sun Peaks Resort. Secwepemc People are still resisting the destruction of their traditional territory for the expansion of the Sun Peaks ski resort. Contact them for more info or to support their struggle: Skwelkwek'welt Protection Centre c/o Janice Billy, Neskonlith Band, Box 608, Chase, Secwepemc Territory "bc, kanada" V0E 1M0 jrbilly at mail.ocis.net Chief Art Manuel c/o Neskonlith Band, Box 608, Chase, Secwepemc Territory "bc, kanada" V0E 1M0 Cell: 250-314-7179, Band: 250-679-3295, Fax:250-679-5306 From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 09:00:08 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:00:08 +1100 Subject: Toads Walkinshaw."To dry for rats." Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020112035827.00a57a00@pop.useoz.com> Cane toads found in Alice From AAP 11jan02 A SECOND cane toad has been found in Alice Springs within a month. The Northern Territory Parks and Wildlife Commission today warned motorists to beware of toads hitching a ride, accelerating the spread of the toxic pest. The two toads were found in suburban gardens, the commission's principal wildlife scientist Tony Bowland said. While the toads could become established in water holes on the Alice Springs golf course and the Ilparpa artificial swamp, they could not survive the freezing desert winter, Dr Bowland said. The main concern was that toads would reach Darwin and Western Australia's Kimberley region years earlier by hitching rides than they would by hopping. "They're very rugged animals and they can travel long distances wrapped up in a swag or in a crate," Dr Bowland said. He said both of the toads found in Alice Springs must have been brought in by road. The second toad was found close to a road transport business. "They were in pretty good nick. They didn't look like they'd just hopped 1500km from Queensland or the top end," Dr Bowland said. He could not speculate how many more there might be in Alice Springs, a town too dry for rats to survive. Any damage cane toads caused to the native desert fauna would be short-term. "They might establish in Alice Springs in the very short term but we're pretty sure the bitterly cold winters we get around here would nail them," Dr Bowland said. The presence of cane toads was confirmed in Kakadu National Park in March last year. They are expected to reach Darwin as early as the present wet season. They are also well established on the northern reaches of the Stuart Highway around Katherine and Mataranka. From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 09:34:24 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:34:24 +1100 Subject: Photo of mysterious "Proffr" Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020112043056.00a5bd60@pop.useoz.com> You'll have to hack into victorian motorbike and car license database for me but theres a cute little rattus australis here http://smh.com.au/news/0201/12/national/national13.html Soldering on: laser fusion changes microsurgery Sew far so good ... Professor Owen with leg-transplant rat. Photo: Nick Moir By Claire O'Rourke A new technique to join body tissue without stitches looks likely to revolutionise microsurgical procedures, reducing the time needed to perform operations. Clinical trials of laser solder fusion, led by an Australian surgeon, Earl Owen, will begin this year. If the attempts are successful, the method would radically change microsurgery, which is used to rejoin and transplant limbs, reverse vasectomies and restore severed nerves. Professor Owen, the medical director of the Microsearch Foundation of Australia, said the time taken to join an artery would be reduced from 45 minutes to two using the new technique, with less scarring and trauma. "It's an enormous advance to pop on a solder and cure it with a laser beam in a matter of seconds," he said. The technique involves welding tissues together using strips of protein fused by laser. It has been tested on rats, rabbits, sheep, pigs and greyhounds over the past five years. Today marks two years since the first double hand transplant, on 33-year-old Frenchman Denis Chatelier. Mr Chatelier, who suffered the injuries when a home-made firework exploded, now has the co-ordination to make toys with his new hands. "These people have convinced themselves long before [they have the operation] that they must have their body part restored," Professor Owen said. Eleven people have had hand transplants in France, Italy, Austria, the US, China and Malaysia, with the success of the world's first hand transplant patient, Clint Hallam, paving the way for double hand transplants. Hallam had the limb amputated in February last year, after he stopped taking anti-rejection medication. He is the only patient to have a transplanted hand removed. But all was not lost when Hallam refused to continue his medication. Doctors were able to study the effects of rejection and how it can be anticipated. As part of ongoing research, white rats are transplanted with limbs from black rats because they are the least compatible, enabling more effective testing of anti-rejection, or immunosuppressive, drugs. Based in Lane Cove, the Microsearch Foundation of Australia is funded entirely by donation, and has never received government assistance since it started 25 years ago. "We don't get funded anything like we should ... as we're a small country with too much excellence than the Government can support," Professor Owen said. If they reverse my vasectomy faustine and I... From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 09:37:17 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:37:17 +1100 Subject: Hard as a Rocco. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020112043523.00a55540@pop.useoz.com> Breillat brilliance Controversial and confronting . . . novelist and film-maker Catherine Breillat and, below, a scene from an earlier work, Romance. It's hard to ruffle the French where sex is concerned. Unless you're Catherine Breillat. By John Baxter Love is the road to hell", says French novelist and film-maker Catherine Breillat in a sound bite of the sort that has made her famous. This autumn, Breillat, pronounced "Brey-ah", 52, black-maned and mocking, stares from almost every magazine cover, TV screen and Web site in France. Her new novel, Pornocratie, is exciting controversy, her latest feature, @ Ma Soeur (To My Sister), has just opened in England after considerable success in France and the United States, and she's just won a prize in Zurich for her TV film Brhve Traversie (Brief Crossing), about a sexual encounter on a cross-Channel ferry between a French boy and an older English woman. In Pornocratie, a woman takes home a male gay from a disco in a calculated attempt to get a truly dispassionate opinion of the way she looks and acts from someone who can't possibly be interested in her sexually. Admirers of Breillat recognise the self-doubt about her attractiveness that has suffused her life and work. Like her earlier novels and the screenplays for Une Vraie Jeune Fille, 36 Fillette, Dirty as an Angel, Perfect Love and Romance, Pornocratie depicts the sex drive the way an amputee might think of a severed limb - as an unpleasant but unignorable element that influences the way others perceive you and which, from time to time, torments you with an unassuageable itch. Driven, it seems, by feelings of low self-esteem dating back to her dumpy adolescence, Breillat returns repeatedly to the theme of transcendence; the body forgetting itself in the throes of intercourse. As she told The Guardian recently, "To make love is not just to have the pleasure of flesh, but to have the pleasure of flesh escaping flesh. The sexual act involves a mental transfiguration, too." Part of that transfiguration lies in forgetting that you are being watched and judged. "Real sex is a kind of divine abandon," she says, "during which everything achieves a sort of grace. That grace turns into abandon; you find your way back to your real self, no longer mutilated by others staring at you. I believe that we are born radiant, but that others mutilate us with their staring; that we are in a society which has mutilated the grace of movement." Whether or not the French have mutilated sex by a tendency to stare is a point much debated, though nobody denies that France, not for nothing christened "the woman of Europe", finds sex a matter of compelling interest. Praising the Franco-German cable channel Arte for funding Brhve Traversie and the other films in the series Masculin/Feminin, Breillat called the chain "an ally of desire". But one could attach that label to almost any arm of the French media. Thanks to TV, billboards and magazines, the French are confronted at every turn with rounded bums and pert breasts, grappling couples and sexual innuendo - all to sell mineral water, car insurance, even the high-speed TGV train. Most nights, they can catch an X-rated movie on TV, even if they don't subscribe to one of the all-porn cable channels. The five free networks stick to soft-core, but some cable channels, even the prestigious Canal Plus, broadcast a Saturday night slab of what they call in France "le hard". The fact that there is A Lot Of It About affects the whole of French society. Sex is simply too large a segment of the national culture to leave room for Victorian pudeur, adolescent ignorance, Hollywood sentimentality or PC complaints about "commodifying the body". In any debate on this subject, Breillat will usually have something to say. She's the acceptable face of erotica (a word she despises), a distinction won by conspicuous valour in the battle between the sexes. Podgy in adolescence and voluptuous in her 20s, she's on the chunky side these days, with a tendency to "arrange herself", as one reporter wrote, "like a stately boxer. Her shoulders are broad. Her jaw is wide. She looks like a woman capable of absorbing a mountain of shocks." Breillat accentuates this with a characteristic slouch, elbows on thighs or hands on knees, as if ready to launch herself in an instant at a critic's throat. While her films may not be entirely autobiographical, audiences draw their own conclusions from her recurring plot of an overweight adolescent with a throbbing libido whose sexual adventurism ends in anything from despair to violent death. Catherine and her prettier sister Marie-Hilhne learnt about sex from liberal parents who gave them the Marquis de Sade and Lautriamont to read. The girls also, if Catherine's films are to be trusted, indulged in some precocious experiment. In 36 Fillette (the title refers to a dress size), the overweight heroine captivates an older lover, while in @ Ma Soeur, the dumpy sister has sex with an older man while the more glamorous one watches and learns. Perhaps because of her own complex sexual initiation, Breillat condemns the calisthenics of TV-ad erotica and the acrobatics of le hard, both of which, she feels, give impressionable adolescents a false picture of sex. Porn she dismisses as offering "a sort of occult sex education for the young - terrifying and completely inauthentic". Children should be left to discover sex for themselves, as she did. "Must we banish sexual education?" Le Monde asked her. "Absolutely," she replied. "Perhaps sexuality is important. But children must learn about it alone and, above all, without us 'transmitting' our own experience." Catherine's first novel, L'homme Facile (The Easy Man), described how readily a girl, even a plain, fat one, can seduce men if she puts her mind to it. Censors banned its sale to anyone under 18, ironically making it illegal for Breillat, then only 17, to buy her own book. Since then, she's scorned the very idea of censorship, suspecting another stratagem in the sex war. Libertarians were startled at last year's Edinburgh Film Festival when she dismissed film censorship as "a male preoccupation" and suggested that the X certificate was "linked to the X chromosome" - a major signifier of maleness. By her 20s, Breillat was writing screenplays for films as diverse as Federico Fellini's And the Ship Sails On, Maurice Pialat's introspective cop story Police, and Bilitis, directorial debut of David Hamilton, king of the budding-breasts-and-muslin school of photography. She had a small acting role in Last Tango in Paris and acted in a few films with Marie-Hilhne, while the two, off screen, accumulated almost as sensational a reputation as those other high-stepping movie sisters, FranGoise Dorliac and Catherine Deneuve. Marie-Hilhne contracted a stormy marriage with Edouard Molinaro, director of La Cage Aux Folles, then went into near-seclusion, only re-emerging in the past few years. Catherine married a Parisian publisher, as much, it seems, for his looks as for anything else, and had two children with him. In case anyone, particularly her sister, doubted he was a "catch", Breillat and spouse posed nude for a series of magazine photographs. In 1975, she directed her first film, Une Vraie Jeune Fille. With deceptive simplicity, it followed a girl returning from boarding school to spend the summer with her parents. Being Breillat, however, the holiday is anything but an idyll. The girl's father has incestuous designs on his daughter, which she, if not exactly welcoming, at least connives at. She becomes obsessed with a worker in her father's factory, incorporating him into sexual fantasies which become more fevered the more he rejects her. The film was banned in France, though it's recently been dusted off and released, to no particular furore. We've come a long way since then. Just how far was dramatised by the sarcastically named Romance. Its heroine, Marie, dotes on her photo-model husband, Paul, even though he refuses to make her pregnant and finally even to have sex, arguing that it makes him look tired on camera. She might have endured this had Paul not also been, to put it delicately, genitally challenged. Embarking on a crash course in sexual discovery, Marie picks up a friendly foreigner in a cafe. Experiments with bondage, anonymous sex and anal rape follow, until, finally pregnant, she bombs the family apartment, building and husband going up in smoke as the baby is born. In secret, Breillat hired Italian porn star Rocco Siffredi to play the well-hung stranger, a fact that scandalised the industry when it became public. For all the supposed freemasonry of showbiz, a "Gentlemen v Players" mentality still prevails and, whatever else they may be, porn performers are not, and cannot ever be, in the eyes of the profession, real actors. Caroline Ducey, who played Marie, didn't know Siffredi's identity until he walked on the set for their first scene, and was so spooked that she fled at the end of that day's shooting and hasn't worked for Breillat since. Romance, on the other hand, launched Siffredi as a media star in France. He can now be seen on the sides of buses, advertising mobile phones. Breillat is unrepentant about her sexual iconoclasm, which she regards as essential if she is to conserve her sense of self. "I believe that 80 per cent of our selves is made up of the way other people look at us," says Breillat - which, in a culture like that of France, is probably true. There are few countries where people are so ready to look and evaluate for themselves rather than listen and learn from others. A few years ago, a Parisian couple tried explaining sex to their pre-teen son and daughter. After a few minutes, the 12-year-old boy stopped them. "Look, it's all too complicated," he said. "Next time you do it, just give us a call. We'll come and watch." http://smh.com.au/news/0201/12/spectrum/spectrum2.html From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 10:38:26 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:38:26 +1100 Subject: Johansen charged in Norway Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020112051733.009efb20@pop.useoz.com> Loud sound of slamming barn doors.Norway as a nation must have terminal Scandinavian suicidal angst. It is the middle of winter. Please supply address's for immediate PAP(peoples assassination politics) smears to be made of these raindeer meatball eaters. Do they know we have black belt karate experts? I may resemble a Beverley hills ninja myself but I NEVER get stockholm syndrome. Its nearly mosquito season if we can rush release our Marburgquito? Turn a cool zone into a hot one. They'll all look like edvard Munch by the time we get through with them. This is a sign...anyone who's seen,carpenters, "the Thing" can see that. They can all be safely murdered as they haven't been evolutionarily necessary since Derek the viking.Mays great grand parents were expelled for fornicating with mangy seals and spitting on the smorgasbord. The only decent spot in this fiord infested shithole is Troll wall,where the lemmings run free and the aryan nazi wannabees will be tossed off.What else can be expected from a Quisling country? Kill the president and everyone in Norway.mattd. From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 12:13:48 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:13:48 +1100 Subject: Last Rites for Joshua. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020112070319.00a5a740@pop.useoz.com> Last rites for joshua. Jeff looked up as his son left for school,little did he realize that was the last time he would ever see his son happy and alive.He was running a bit late that day having been up late exchanging e-mail and moderating a new subversive website.His work involved infiltrating and then COINTELPROing extremist fringe groups that sometimes looked like they might pose a threat to the GOVT. He got the ransom note that night as his wife prowled back and forth shaking and bursting into tears every few minutes. It came in the form of an anonymous e-mail that gave a remailer as the return adress.It said, "We want you to come to GPS co-ordinates such and such.At this time.You may be observed.any trails or tricks,josh dies,You saw dirty harry? This is that.any slip ups josh dies.Get it,got it,good." The next 1 hour was a nightmare for the bulky unfit agent as he was given the run around,the city.Once he thought he was to late for one phone box call and he had a moment where he thought he was having a aneurysm. The phone rang and shocked him back to the black reality of the moment.The police that had been trailing him were long gone.The instructions were simple,take the pill taped under the bench down by the river then walk slowly up to a nearby bridge.He did as he was told.The river water was freezing,his fillings ached.He remembered the bridge though he didn't quite make it before he nodded off falling onto some wet grass was his last memory. The memories since recovered with hypnosis indicate that Jeff woke up next to his son.There followed some periods where various requests were made by masked men to josh and then jeff. These requests were similar to those made on prisoners of bosnian and croation serbs at first. The sessions were interrupted by long periods of total darkness when josh and jeff were forced by Alsatians into separate pits.By then both were missing fingernails,hair,toes,ears,teeth and large patches of skin. They culminated in jeffs testicles being bitten off by his own son.After one recovery period jeff was told ordered to turn his son on a spit.Jeff noticed through a red haze that joshua was impaled from his anus to his collar bone.He was awake but seemed to exhausted to scream as he was slowly lowered onto the hot coals. On jeffs refusal a large bucket with drifting dry ice mist was wheeled in.Jeffs entire right arm was forced into this container as the hungry Alsatians circled.As soon as his arm emerged it was struck a violent blow.Jeff felt no pain and even little emotion as his entire forearm shattered into crystalline pieces.He knew now he had to turn his son on the spit (to be cont) From mattd at useoz.com Fri Jan 11 12:42:09 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:42:09 +1100 Subject: Prosperity through punishment (was Re: more on procmail is not Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020112072236.00a5adf0@pop.useoz.com> >>...the real fun part is that Nature is publishing a pro-AP article, elevating it to the level of "science". That poor sod in jail was just doing applied science, no ? Of course that people would pay to punish. (agent Gordon pay attention now !) 9 out of 10 cpunk list subscribers ("The Movement") would contribute, if assured of anonymity, up to $100 to have baby bush's brain aerosoled. 7 out of 10 would pay the same amount to have it done to any TV personality. Show me the working double-blind bit-cash and I'll show you the world full of extremely polite people.<< As you seem to feel safe in your anonymity why don't you join my pledge drive to have richard armitage retired? 2 soft drill dollars and you double the prize pool.Some bottomless transvestite stripper might do it,next time he spills his drink; for 4 whole dollars Id might do it myself,he's like ariel "wide target"Sharon.Dum Dums will do ya. Thinning out the scientologist celebrity pool would be fun and generate mucho PR.10$ toward revolting cruise missile! Ill renew my offer on AG,even double it! Forget exactly but its about 125$ US or barter units of money. Hawala payments only now but Quantum/satellite/ e-BUMs are close,so close. Mass actions possible on USAma,surely! (my 2c) "Who wants to participate to help form what will be the LAST revolution on earth, the one that'll take down ALL the governments?" James Dalton Bell.The 1st real crypto-anarchist and still the best. From georgemw at speakeasy.net Sat Jan 12 09:45:30 2002 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:45:30 -0800 Subject: Appeal to ignorance In-Reply-To: References: <200201112210.g0BMAvu13698@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: <3C4005BA.20638.A6FBF0C@localhost> On 11 Jan 2002, at 21:26, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > At 2:10 PM -0800 on 1/11/02, "Eric Cordian" makes an actual appeal to > ignorance...: > > > > I see not a single denial. > > Ah. Prove to you that he didn't say it? > > > > :-). > That's not a bad page, but it makes what I consider to be an error in that it attempts to distinguish between the fallicy of appeal to ignorance and the more valid line of reasoning called the auto-epistemic (an example given being "If there really were a large and unusual type of animal in Loch Ness, then we would have undeniable evidence of it by now We don't have undeniable evidence of a large, unfamiliar animal in Loch Ness.  Therefore, there is no such animal.".) But actually, these lines of reasoning are formally the same. The difference is whether or not you are willing to accept the premise "we've looked enough that we'd find it if it were there" as valid. My point is that this really isn't a question of good or bad reasoning, it's a question of disagreement over fact. We all agree that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof". But just how extraordinary is the claim that Sharon said something incredibly stupid? Declan rejects Eric's claim that if the quote were false then there would have been an official denial, but it appears that this is based on the fact that the quote only appeared in a couple small papers, and that he would accept Eric's reasoning as valid if the quote had appeared in more, larger papers. Eric's idea that the US media is all afraid of the pro-Israel lobby suggests that we should look for this quote in papers published outside the US. I was curious about this alleged quote, and in fact I was able to find a citation in a large well-known paper published outside the US. That publication is known as "Pravda". The reader must draw his own conclusions. Personally, I think Eric is going way out on a limb for no good reason on this one. Evidence for the quote appears to me to be shakey at best, whereas I think there's pretty solid evidence of Saron doing far worse than making that stupid statement anyway. For example, on a lark I typed "crimes ariel sharon" into google just to see what it would come up with, and by one of life's little amusing coincidences, among 20,000 other hits was this one from amnesty international urging Sharon be tried for war crimes allegedly commited during the occupation of Lebanon http://www.web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/recent/MDE150892001?OpenDocu ment What's so funny about that, you ask? The date is Oct 3 2001! George . From legalhelp94 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 11:23:14 2002 From: legalhelp94 at yahoo.com (legalhelp94 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:23:14 Subject: Need Legal Advice? 94 Message-ID: <500.372538.145663@yahoo.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 2452 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Sat Jan 12 02:46:21 2002 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:46:21 +0100 (MET) Subject: IP: Pres. Bush to Head-Up National ID System (fwd) Message-ID: -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:55:58 -0500 From: David Farber Reply-To: farber at cis.upenn.edu To: ip-sub-1 at majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: Pres. Bush to Head-Up National ID System >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:14:24 >To: (Recipient list suppressed) >From: armen at ulster.net > > > >SCAN THIS NEWS >1.10.2002 > >Pres. Bush to Head-Up National ID System > >As previously reported here, Congress has recently directed the US >Department of Transportation to establish model guidelines for encoded data >on driver's licenses issued by states as part of the 2002 transportation >funding legislation. > >The Congressional directive also instructs federal agencies to work together >towards development and installation of fingerprint or retinal scanners at >airports which will read and verify data stored on the license documents. > >The directive constitutes formal establishment of a national ID system under >the leadership of President George W. Bush as chief executive of his >administration. > >According to the Congressional report the system will be used for national >security and to prevent fraud. It will also be used to stop "underage >drinking". > >The newly established Department of Transportation safety agency will manage >a federal database linking state driver information. > >The 1993 Driver's Privacy Protection Act (DPPA), codified at Title 18, >Section 2721, will serve as the authority for this program. The Act >~requires~ states to release personal information from motor vehicle >records for purposes of national defense (security) and matters involving >national or regional emergencies; all under direction of the President. > >The DPPA also authorizes the Secretary of Transportation to collect and >collate transportation related information whenever the Secretary decides >such collection will contribute to the improvement of the transportation >system of the United States. > >The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA) has already >drafted a national ID standard. One of the required features of the AAMVA >standard is digitally encoded inclusion of Social Security Numbers -- even >though it is often claimed by proponents that SSNs would not be included. > >The AAMVA national ID standard also incorporates fingerprint and digital >photo criteria. > >AAMVA's standards director, Nathan Root, was recently quoted -- in an effort >to counter opposition to their national ID scheme -- saying, "they're giving >these systems too much credit in even assuming that somebody would be able >and interested to track everybody's whereabouts and >doings." > >If you believe Nathan Root, you deserve a national ID. > >--- > >CONFERENCE REPORT ON H.R. 2299, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND >RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2002 (H.R. 2299) >ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/cp107/hr308.txt >Conference Report (H. Rept. 107-308) > >Model guidelines for encoded data on driver's licenses.-- >In light of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, it is clear that all >levels of government need to work in concert to deter and prevent future >attacks. One means of doing so is to ensure that individuals asked to >identify themselves are not using false identities. The increasing >availability through the internet of expertly crafted false identification >makes the task very difficult. The conferees are aware of technology, >existing today, that can quickly scan any encoded data on the reverse of a >driver's license to validate the license as legitimately issued. By >reviewing personal data encoded on the license, it can also be used to >assist in making a quick determination that the person displaying the >license is the person to whom it was issued. The conferees strongly >encourage the department to consider the development of model guidelines >specifying the types of encoded data that should be placed on driver's >licenses for security purposes, and to work in concert with states and >related licensing bodies toward the early implementation of such measures. >This could benefit the nation's efforts to improve security as well as >assist in reducing fraud and underage drinking. > >Document and biometric scanning technologies.-- >Document and biometric scanners linked to federal databases by computers and >containing advanced authentication capabilities would facilitate the >processing of background checks, provide fingerprint and additional >biometric identification capabilities, and authenticate documents presented >for identification. It is the conferees' understanding that such off the >shelf, commercially available technology is in use or being tested by the >Immigration and Naturalization Service. The conferees encourage FAA to >assess such document and biometric scanning technologies for use at all >commercial service airports. The conferees also recommend that the Secretary >implement standards to make use of technologies that quickly and >inexpensively assess the daily fitness-for- duty of airport security >screeners with respect to impairment due to illegal drugs, sleep >deprivation, legal medications, and alcohol. > >Fingerprint identification technologies.-- >The conferees are aware of the promise of forensic-quality fingerprint and >palmprint identification technologies for the rapid verification of >identities and employee background checks. The Aviation and Transportation >Security Act requires the department to investigate the application of >biometric technologies such as these off the shelf systems. The conferees >encourage FAA and the Transportation Security Administration to evaluate >these technologies for their immediate application to aviation security >missions. >-[snip]- > >--- > >TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 123 >http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2721.html >Sec. 2721. - Prohibition on release and use of certain personal information >from State motor vehicle records > >(b) Permissible Uses. - >Personal information referred to in subsection (a) shall be disclosed for >use in connection with matters of motor vehicle or driver safety and theft >... and chapters 301, 305, and 321-331 of title 49... > >--- > >TITLE 49 > SUBTITLE I > CHAPTER 3 > SUBCHAPTER I >Sec. 301. - Leadership, consultation, and cooperation >http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/49/301.html >The Secretary of Transportation shall - > >(1)under the direction of the President, exercise leadership in >transportation matters, including those matters affecting national defense >and those matters involving national or regional emergencies; > >(2)provide leadership in the development of transportation policies and >programs, and make recommendations to the President and Congress for their >consideration and implementation; > >(3)coordinate Federal policy on intermodal transportation and initiate >policies to promote efficient intermodal transportation in the United >States; > >--- > >TITLE 49 > SUBTITLE I > CHAPTER 3 > SUBCHAPTER II >http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/49/329.html >Sec. 329. - Transportation information > >(a)The Secretary of Transportation may collect and collate transportation >information the Secretary decides will contribute to the improvement of the >transportation system of the United States. > >--- >AAMVA DL / ID Standard 2000 >http://www.aamva.org/standards/stdAAMVADLIdStandard2000.asp > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Social security is the bane of individual liberty. - SAM >====================================================================== >Don't believe anything you read on the Net unless: >1) you can confirm it with another source, and/or >2) it is consistent with what you already know to be true. >====================================================================== >Reply to: >========================================================== > >NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is >distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior >interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and >educational purposes only. For more information go to: >http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml > > >============ >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the ignition-point list, send email to: >majordomo at theveryfew.net >In the body of the message, include only the line: >unsubscribe ignition-point For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ From jamesd at echeque.com Sat Jan 12 11:50:39 2002 From: jamesd at echeque.com (jamesd at echeque.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:50:39 -0800 Subject: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <02011023463400.11143@localhost.localdomain> References: <3C3DFEE8.15794.354006@localhost> Message-ID: <3C40230F.20366.38174D6@localhost> -- On 10 Jan 2002, at 23:46, david wrote: > Any jurisdiction that will prosecute and > convict someone because the body of a person attempting > burglary happens to be on the outside instead of the inside > will certainly prosecute and get a conviction for tampering > with the evidence. Tampering with the evidence will also > be considered evidence of guilt of murder rather than self > defense. Only if there is a doughnut shop near your house. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG yTozx70ND42Y5t2brExEdi+tAzETMN2RYRg+kyGV 4/72HlI9tP4R0mzDOYBd7kZz5X7q4EuiOe9GWCC/b From jya at pipeline.com Sat Jan 12 13:12:15 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:12:15 -0800 Subject: Israel Kills Palestinian Boys For Organs!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: More Israeli deathshead humor, confirming what Marine snipers are told to get them to actually shoot a cross-haired human laughing head: "You are criminals, yes, this is coldstone murder, get used to it or you'll be cleaning greasetraps." Takes mere weeks of training to overcome centuries of civilized prohibitions against admitting your culture's vile practices. Or watching Israeli comics. Like our own CIA Comic who mocks 50 years of wet work, iconized headshot horny presidents a favorite of intel retreats. Still, the comical Israeli hardhearts got a long way to go to catch up with what gets regularly puked here, the nuking, the sarining, the jiving about killing pols, the wanking about excluding the differently disabled and disgusting for being too similar to oneself. One thing we can learn from the Israeli national self-mortification to con the rubes into believing the situation is desparate, is to go berzerk now and then, blow away some innocents, claim they were violating the property we stole from them to protect it for our people's children's future. You know, be a law enforcer sniper. From jamesd at echeque.com Sat Jan 12 13:21:17 2002 From: jamesd at echeque.com (jamesd at echeque.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:21:17 -0800 Subject: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics In-Reply-To: <200201111946.g0BJk0B13351@artifact.psychedelic.net> References: from "A. Melon" at Jan 11, 2002 09:06:37 AM Message-ID: <3C40384D.11257.3D47259@localhost> -- On 11 Jan 2002, at 11:45, Eric Cordian wrote: > Not quite. 11 Israeli athletes were captured by some > Palestinians. They were killed when the Israeli military > attacked the site where they were being held, and > slaughtered everything that moved. > > It is and always has been the policy of the Zionist Entity > to regard its civilians as expendable for propaganda > purposes in any hostage situation. I regularly condemn Israel as racist, partly theocratic nation, ruled by murderous bigots elected by homicidally bigoted voters. But on this matter they are quite correct. Ideally, one would to save the hostages and get the hostage takers. But it is necessary to get the hostage takers, and if some hostages should die in the course of getting the hostage takers, that is the way the cookie crumbles. > That is why, for instance, the Israelis immediately move > their own civilians in as human shields when they illegally > occupy an area. Referred to, of course, by the Israelis and > their poodles in US government as "settlements." The settlements are not human shields. Rather, they are a way of sending contradictory messages: One message to the world in peace initiatives that they are willing to give up some land for a peace settlement with the Palestinians, and the other message to the Palestinians, that Israel is going to take it all, so Palestinians should move to Iran or someplace. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG RUOe2J4wUtdi7gSqRwzQJwfTcCZzNykzT/f0jdNq 4ms558kBZtkAHyTKBrO3YdKLAgUnZxj+ma650xWcs From jamesd at echeque.com Sat Jan 12 14:11:06 2002 From: jamesd at echeque.com (jamesd at echeque.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:11:06 -0800 Subject: Ariel Sharon's Alleged Faux Pas In-Reply-To: <200201120326.g0C3QbS14306@artifact.psychedelic.net> References: from "R. A. Hettinga" at Jan 11, 2002 09:26:56 PM Message-ID: <3C4043FA.4328.4020E01@localhost> -- On 11 Jan 2002, at 19:26, Eric Cordian wrote: > This is not simply a case of reporting something, and then > tossing the burden of proof on the opposition to prove it > wasn't said. This is a case of something pretty widely > disseminated on the Net, to which not a single official > voice of opposition has been raised. Lots of things get widely disseminated, often from quasi official sources, for example "UN" documents, meaning some document issued by a loon working for a quango working for the UN, and never get denied. For example lots people on usenet have posted all sorts of things about me, that I am a nazi, was a Stalinist, and so on and so forth, and for the most part I usually do not deny it. If I do not deny such stuff, and for the most part I do not, why would you expect Sharon to deny such stuff? Sure, Sharon is a murderous semitic bigot, but the claims attributed to Sharon are not characteristic of Semitic bigots, but of anti semitic bigots. Thus it is far more likely that those words were invented by an antisemitic bigot, and attributed to Sharon to give them added plausibility, than that those words, or anything resembling them, were spoken by Sharon. Semitic bigots do not believe that Jews control America. Rather they believe that America and Americans are part of the antisemitic encirclement of Israel, and that Americans cackle with glee every time terrorists knock off a few Jews, and that American schools teach that the Jews murdered christ. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG aPKptkQYDEwNBKCjhHLeObgQJdWLNveilJEI6PyM 4+3ux3eQKF/P+LENF4pIdcFYl4DhCnmeYc9lTbEJY From jamesd at echeque.com Sat Jan 12 14:29:20 2002 From: jamesd at echeque.com (jamesd at echeque.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:29:20 -0800 Subject: Israel's control of the U.S. -- and debunking rumors In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111185330.00a12c80@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <3C404840.16372.412BFA6@localhost> -- On 11 Jan 2002, at 20:17, John Young wrote: > If you've been to Israel you would know that statements > like that attributed to Sharon are fairly common [...] > > "The US needs us more than we need them." > > "Jews in America wouldn't survive without Israel to protect > them." > > [..] > > "American Jews have no place to call their own except > Israel." The examples you so accurately cite do not sound like the words attributed to Sharon. Rather, they sound like the direct opposite of the words attributed to Sharon. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG lJTCvRqLBP1vN+IyrxkXa6NZWZnzZIZCaUz6/nhF 4apBpbYXB8C2tUFZhgGPAcy1/2hh62vEOZpLVGcR8 From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Sat Jan 12 14:43:22 2002 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:43:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Ariel Sharon's Alleged Faux Pas In-Reply-To: <3C4043FA.4328.4020E01@localhost> from "jamesd@echeque.com" at Jan 12, 2002 02:11:06 PM Message-ID: <200201122243.g0CMhcA15561@artifact.psychedelic.net> James A. Donald writes: > For example lots people on usenet have posted all sorts of > things about me, that I am a nazi, was a Stalinist, and so on > and so forth, and for the most part I usually do not deny it. > If I do not deny such stuff, and for the most part I do not, > why would you expect Sharon to deny such stuff? The Internet is a big bathroom wall and everyone has a crayon. I learned long ago that trying to apply meatspace standards for libel and slander to the Internet was a futile exercise. > Thus it is far more likely that those words were invented by > an antisemitic bigot, and attributed to Sharon to give them > added plausibility, than that those words, or anything > resembling them, were spoken by Sharon. I still think it's more likely than not that Sharon made the comments, but I learned long ago that seeking absolute truth in anything other than discrete mathematics was also a futile exercise. > Semitic bigots do not believe that Jews control America. > Rather they believe that America and Americans are part of > the antisemitic encirclement of Israel, and that Americans > cackle with glee every time terrorists knock off a few Jews, > and that American schools teach that the Jews murdered > christ. Some do. Some don't. Oddly enough, the "We control America" slogan seems to be gaining popularity in Israel. There are now reports in the Palestinian press of workers with American peace organizations, investigating the treatment of the Palestinians, being taunted by IDF soldiers shouting "We control America." Either a clever propaganda campaign to sour relations between the US and their Zionist client state, or Israeli cajones that need to be beaten back down to normal size. Perhaps Sharon could seize the moment, and print up "We Control America" bumper stickers for his re-election campaign. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From nobody at mix.winterorbit.com Sat Jan 12 06:56:01 2002 From: nobody at mix.winterorbit.com (Anonymous) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:56:01 +0100 Subject: Gov Deep Net Monitoring Message-ID: >hosts a US government operation to monitor *all* traffic handled >by the ISP at a central network operations center. This operation John, this is hardly worth mentioning and looks just like a smoke cloud to divert attention from the good old echeloning. Why a smoke cloud ? Because this lawless monitoring can be "rectified", banished, and then everything will be OK, right ? Make no mistake, usg has been sucking *all* the bits from MAE{west,east,*} for years. The only thing they may need now is justification for collected information. Decoys a la carnivore and what not. From NOSPAM at MAILB0T.COM Sun Jan 13 04:01:01 2002 From: NOSPAM at MAILB0T.COM (NOSPAM at MAILB0T.COM) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:01:01 -2000 Subject: Take Control Of Your Mailbox 23424 Message-ID: <0000709e316a$00006545$00006b10@216.130.172.254> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 3235 bytes Desc: not available URL: From larryowen at ynnmail.com Sat Jan 12 00:13:38 2002 From: larryowen at ynnmail.com (larryowen at ynnmail.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:13:38 +0800 Subject: Easy Online Prescription re-Fills Message-ID: <3q612y4rp44o4yl0xw4.8e3a6t6apm6dilm3ico@yahoo.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1296 bytes Desc: not available URL: From measl at mfn.org Sat Jan 12 14:46:19 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:46:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: Ariel Sharon's Alleged Faux Pas In-Reply-To: <3C4043FA.4328.4020E01@localhost> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 jamesd at echeque.com wrote: > Rather they believe that America and Americans > teach that the Jews murdered > christ. > > --digsig > James A. Donald OH MY GOD!!! You mean, no, it *couldn't be*!!! If they are innocent, then, then, um, Sister Mary Whateverthefuckhernamewas *lied to me*? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jamesd at echeque.com Sat Jan 12 16:53:38 2002 From: jamesd at echeque.com (jamesd at echeque.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:53:38 -0800 Subject: Israel's control of the U.S. -- and debunking rumors In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111185330.00a12c80@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <3C406A12.10362.496DADD@localhost> -- On 11 Jan 2002, at 20:17, John Young wrote: > If you've been to Israel you would know that statements > like that attributed to Sharon are fairly common [...] > > "The US needs us more than we need them." > > "Jews in America wouldn't survive without Israel to protect > them." > > [..] > > "American Jews have no place to call their own except > Israel." The examples you so accurately cite do not sound like the words attributed to Sharon. Rather, they sound like the direct opposite of the words attributed to Sharon. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG bBgSYyYWWmnE8UKuskgv8NmjflXZ7hXN/H4QMCr 433AComb2BwwqxcgikzzCPMIF3lz8m8wi9FI0I2Wk From jamesd at echeque.com Sat Jan 12 17:21:46 2002 From: jamesd at echeque.com (jamesd at echeque.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:21:46 -0800 Subject: VIVA Agentina LIBRE! In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113084121.00a5e150@pop.useoz.com> Message-ID: <3C4070AA.8355.4B09A0F@localhost> -- On 13 Jan 2002, at 8:44, mattd wrote: > BUENOS AIRES, Argentina   > Rioters ransacked banks, > destroyed ATM machines and set fires across downtown Buenos > Aires early Friday after a night of street protests against > a government freeze on bank deposits turned violent. MORE > http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=02/01/11/11 > 07123 mattd and all the other pinkos and commies think this is the second coming of the communist revolution. In actual fact what happened is the umpteenth Argentinian president in the last couple of weeks issued a ringing denunciation of capitalism, and then told the Argentinians that in order to save them from capitalism, he was going to confiscate their dollars and replace them with nonconvertible pesos. When the Argentinians understood just how they were going to be protected from the evils of capitalism, their enthusiasm for these measures diminished considerably. As we speak, while the Argentinian government is implementing all sorts of half assed socialist measures, the Argentinian public, whatever their views on politics in theory, are as individuals implementing the most radical free market cure for their problems: Dollarization. The situation in Argentina is akin to the situation in the Soviet Union shortly before the fall, in that socialism is being dismantled in practice without regard to government policy. If, as seems likely, the Argentinian economy makes an unplanned and prohibited coversion from pesos to dollars, in defiance of government policy, the likely result is that the value of the peso will drop to zero. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG I7uV/JnkjCwZytnj7iHcGqMDwQeY7uHWfoDaFMnn 4fqVFnRWK2V+eqPMRf4duPT1Ywq7Jw4uesCJFkv7w From jamesd at echeque.com Sat Jan 12 17:21:46 2002 From: jamesd at echeque.com (jamesd at echeque.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:21:46 -0800 Subject: Appeal to ignorance In-Reply-To: <3C4005BA.20638.A6FBF0C@localhost> References: Message-ID: <3C4070AA.9661.4B09A37@localhost> -- On 12 Jan 2002, at 9:45, georgemw at speakeasy.net wrote: > We all agree that "extraordinary claims require > extraordinary proof". But just how extraordinary is the > claim that Sharon said something incredibly stupid? Sharon says incredibly stupid things with great regularity. However the things he says are consistent with and support the world view of ignorant jewish bigots, and tend to contradict the world view of ignorant anti semitic bigots. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG HrCT6LautWRRkrp5ClkEq+6sDNyvYyzTpAh0Az0z 4jQIvsDOm6vNS+88L9UncLuIm4rzmMYlX1VSXu47P From ezyazvpie at myself.com Sat Jan 12 14:06:19 2002 From: ezyazvpie at myself.com (Oh Henry!) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:06:19 -0400 Subject: This is strange!! 20+20=60? .... How? Message-ID: <200201122223.QAA27128@einstein.ssz.com> Dear Investor, I apologise for the intrusion but permit me to show you a product that I have that everybody wants. Problem: Nobody knows where to get it from. Solution: That's where you come in! What would you say to a product that you don't have to pay those dreadful monthly payments, only a one time investment of $20 (I know you hated those monthly payments) but when resold will actually return you an average of $60 per client? 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Absolutely no obligation, no salesman knocking at your door and a chance to improve your financial position. Unhappy?? I am truly sorry!! You may remove yourself by clicking the following link mailto:ezyazpie at myself.com?subject=I_AM_ALREADY_RICH From jei at cc.hut.fi Sat Jan 12 08:44:30 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:44:30 +0200 (EET) Subject: Israel Kills Palestinian Boys For Organs!!! Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:07:48 EST From: William Shannon Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List To: CTRL at LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CTRL] Israel Kills Palestinian Boys For Organs!!! http://www.rense.com/general19/israelkills.htm Israel Kills Palestinian Boys, Steals Organs For Transplants Teheran Times.com 1-9-2 AL-KHALIL (IRNA) - The Zionist state has tacitly admitted that doctors at the Israeli forensic institute at Abu Kabir had extracted the vital organs of three Palestinian teenage children killed by the Israeli Army nearly ten days ago.   Zionist Minister of Health Nessim Dahhan said in response to a question by Arab member of the Zionist Parliament 'Knesset', Ahmed Teibi, on Tuesday that he couldn't deny that organs of Palestinian youths and children killed by the Israeli forces were taken out for transplants or scientific research.   "I couldn't say for sure that something like that (taking out the organs) didn't happen."   Teibi said he had received credible evidence proving that Israeli doctors at the forensic institute extracted such vital organs as the heart, kidneys, and liver from the bodies of Palestinian youths and children killed by the Israeli Army in Gaza and the West Bank.   The Israeli authorities normally detain the bodies of martyred Palestinians for a few days without any explanation.   The Israeli Army on December 30 killed three Palestinian boys, aged 14-15 near Khan Younis in unclear circumstances.   The army issued conflicting reports on the killing, while Palestinian sources charged that Israeli troops murdered the three unarmed boys in cold blood.   The bodies of the three boys were handed over to the Palestinians for burial on 6 January.   However, shortly before burial, Palestinian medical authorities examined the bodies and found out that the main vital organs were missing from the bodies.   The Israeli media have nearly completely ignored the affair.   (IRNA) From jei at cc.hut.fi Sat Jan 12 08:48:02 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:48:02 +0200 (EET) Subject: American Patriot Registration Message-ID: > ATTENTION CITIZENS: > > As part of the Bush Administration's ongoing efforts to obliterate all > traces of terrorism in the United States, the Department of Justice has > commenced registration* of each and every American Patriot. By registering > all non-terrorists within our borders, it is our intention to make use of > the process of elimination to identify the evil ones who walk among us. If > you are a non-terrorist (American Patriot), your participation is required. > Please register below. > > - John Ashcroft > United States Attorney General > > http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/patriot/index.asp > From csr at cs.northernlight.com Sat Jan 12 16:08:45 2002 From: csr at cs.northernlight.com (csr at cs.northernlight.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:08:45 -0500 Subject: Northern Light Focus Message-ID: Dear Northern Light Customer, I have had the personal privilege of hearing from many of you over the past five years regarding the many different ways you have benefited from our search and content services. So it is with gratitude and hope that I share with you the new direction that Northern Light is taking today. As of January 16, 2002, NorthernLight.com is discontinuing free public access to our Web search in order to focus on delivering authoritative and timely news and archive content that you can rely on. We are refining our business to focus more exclusively on the needs of business researchers and enterprise customers. I hope you find that this change makes NorthernLight.com an even more valuable resource for your research requirements, as we simplify our service by reducing the clutter, including the advertising distractions. As consumers of quality research content, you may be wondering what this change means to you. I am pleased to inform you that our Special Collection will continue to be available for free searching and pay-per-view access from Northern Light's Web site. And in the very near future, we will be introducing a consumer subscription option to our customers, allowing you to download 50 documents per month for a small monthly fee. 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Cordially, David Seuss, CEO Northern Light Technology, LLC ----- End forwarded message ----- From measl at mfn.org Sat Jan 12 19:57:03 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:57:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: Bulk Mail Friendly Hosting Needed In-Reply-To: <20020113062550.2263AEB3AE@mywhoa.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Host Seeker wrote: > Hi, we are looking for an ISP that will host our websites that are promoted via spam mail. > > We will pay very good money for the trouble of dealing with the spam complaints and keeping us online as long as possible. > > If you can provide that kind of service or know someone, please email me at host_seeker at hotmail.com > > Thanks. Sounds like a job for UU. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From marketing at mywhoa.com Sat Jan 12 22:25:50 2002 From: marketing at mywhoa.com (Host Seeker) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:25:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bulk Mail Friendly Hosting Needed Message-ID: <20020113062550.2263AEB3AE@mywhoa.com> Hi, we are looking for an ISP that will host our websites that are promoted via spam mail. We will pay very good money for the trouble of dealing with the spam complaints and keeping us online as long as possible. If you can provide that kind of service or know someone, please email me at host_seeker at hotmail.com Thanks. [HOST-100937] From gbnewby at ils.unc.edu Sat Jan 12 20:23:09 2002 From: gbnewby at ils.unc.edu (Greg Newby) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:23:09 -0500 Subject: Northern Light discontinues free Web search Message-ID: <20020112232309.A12125@ils.unc.edu> As covered in /. and elsewhere: ----- Forwarded message from csr at cs.northernlight.com ----- From tn05ima.pub at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 20:47:21 2002 From: tn05ima.pub at mail.house.gov (Congressman Bob Clement) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:47:21 -0500 Subject: Responding to your message Message-ID: <02cad2147040d12TN05IQ@tn05iq.house.gov> Dear Friend, Thank you for contacting me. It is good to hear from you. I am trying my best to represent Tennessee values in our nation's Capitol, and your views are most appreciated. If you included your full address, I will be able to respond to your mail. However, if you did not include a full address, please resend the email with the proper information. I look forward to hearing from you again in the future. Sincerely, Bob Clement Member of Congress From ca34ima.pub at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:05:11 2002 From: ca34ima.pub at mail.house.gov (ca34ima.pub at mail.house.gov) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:05:11 -0500 Subject: Response from Representative Grace Napolitano Message-ID: <070bd1105050d12CA34IQ@ca34iq.house.gov> Thank you for contacting the Office of U.S. Representative Grace Napolitano. If you included your mailing address in your message, you will receive a written response via the U.S. Postal Service within 2-3 weeks. From pa01ima.pub at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:10:00 2002 From: pa01ima.pub at mail.house.gov (pa01ima.pub at mail.house.gov) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:10:00 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <048d10010050d12PA01IQ@pa01iq.house.gov> Thank you for writing me regarding your concerns. I value your views and comments because they provide me with useful information about my district and about my constituents specific needs. In order to fully address your concern and because of the volume of mail we recieve, it may take me a short time to respond to your letter in detail. Please know that you will hear from me as soon as possible. In the meantime, please feel free to access my web site at http://www.house.gov/robertbrady/. From lynn.rivers at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:11:56 2002 From: lynn.rivers at mail.house.gov (lynn.rivers at mail.house.gov) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:11:56 -0500 Subject: Your e-mail has been received. Message-ID: <02f415711050d12MI13IQ@mi13iq.house.gov> I will reply as soon as I can to those of my constituents who supply their name, address, and telephone number. If you have not included this information, please reply with your original message. Thank you for writing - I value the opinions of those I serve. From md03iqimapub at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:12:01 2002 From: md03iqimapub at mail.house.gov (Cong. Ben Cardin) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:12:01 -0500 Subject: Reply from Congressman Benjamin L. Cardin Message-ID: <02f240112050d12MD03IQ@md03iq.house.gov> Thank you for emailing me with your thoughts and comments. Due to the high volume of emails that I receive daily, I can only respond to those emails I receive from Maryland residents. If you are a Maryland resident and you included your name and FULL postal mailing address in your email, you will receive a response shortly. If you are a Maryland resident and you did not supply us with your name and postal mailng address, please send your original email and your name and address to rep.cardin at mail.house.gov so that we may respond. Again, thank you for your email and for your interest in the United States Congress. Sincerely, Congressman Benjamin L. Cardin From Tammy.Baldwin at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:12:54 2002 From: Tammy.Baldwin at mail.house.gov (Baldwin, Tammy) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:12:54 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <435A5CEEACA6D211BEEA0008C75DA8850FDB6A56@hrm12.house.gov> Dear Friend, Thank you for contacting me recently via e-mail. I truly appreciate your taking the time to be in touch. If you included your mailing address in your e-mail, I will be responding to you via U.S. Postal Service mail in the next few weeks. If you did not include an address and would like a specific reply to your message, please send me another e-mail, restating your concern, and include your mailing address. Again, thank you for contacting me. Sincerely, Tammy Baldwin Member of Congress 2nd District, Wisconsin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1170 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Gary_Ackerman at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:12:54 2002 From: Gary_Ackerman at mail.house.gov (Congressman Ackerman) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:12:54 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: Thank you very much for contacting my office about an issue that I know concerns you greatly. Please know that I have acknowledged and registered your opinion, and I greatly appreciate hearing your views. If you reside in the 5th Congressional District and have included your name, address and zip code, you will receive a more detailed response shortly. If you have not included this information, please resend your message or visit my website at http://www.house.gov/ackerman/pages/contact.html to log in your commments. As a matter of Congressional Courtesy, I can only respond to correspondence from within my own district. Thank you once again. Your comments are an integral part of the political process, without them I would not be able to make the decisions that affect our community and our nation. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1449 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Rep.TomAllen at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:12:54 2002 From: Rep.TomAllen at mail.house.gov (TomAllen, Rep) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:12:54 -0500 Subject: Thank you for contacting me Message-ID: <49894AC4E8A3D211ACDB0008C75DC8F204CDD133@hrm09.house.gov> CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 1717 Longworth House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515-1901 (202)225-6116 Thank you for contacting me by electronic mail. I appreciate hearing from you. This e-mail was sent to you as an automatic reply to let you know that I have received your message. Due to the amount of mail that I receive, I regret that I am only able to respond to mail from the state of Maine. In order to respond properly to questions and requests for information from Maine residents, I hope that you have included your name and complete address in your e-mail. If you are from Maine and believe you have forgotten to include this information, please resend your message with this information enclosed. I look forward to responding to the concerns of my constituents. I also regret that I am unable to process attachments to e-mail messages due to security concerns. If you have sent an attachment, please resend your message with the attachment in the body of the message. I encourage you to send messages to me via web form by visiting my homepage (http://tomallen.house.gov). If you need immediate attention, have a problem with a federal or state agency, or would like to set up an appointment, please call my Portland office at (207) 774-5019. Again, thank you for writing. Sincerely, Tom Allen Member of Congress -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 3884 bytes Desc: not available URL: From John.Conyers at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:12:55 2002 From: John.Conyers at mail.house.gov (Conyers, Rep. John) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:12:55 -0500 Subject: Thank you for contacting me. Message-ID: This automated response is to acknowledge that your email has been delivered to my email account: John.Conyers at mail.house.gov. Thank you for taking the time to email me about your concerns. I truly appreciate hearing from you. Although I wish I could respond immediately, I receive thousands of letters and emails each week and it takes time to provide you with a thoughtful response. Here's how you can help ensure a more rapid response: 1. If you included your complete street address in the 14th Congressional District of Michigan, you do not need to do anything else. I will respond to your email as soon as possible. 2. If you live in the 14th District of Michigan, but you did not include your street address in your email, please re-send your entire message and include your street address so that I can reach you. 3. If you do not live in the 14th Congressional District of Michigan, I will take your concerns under consideration. However, Congressional courtesy dictates that Representatives be given the opportunity to assist their own constituents. If you have included your address I will forward your message to your representative. If you are unsure of who your representative is, you can look it up at www.house.gov/writerep. While you are waiting for a response to your letter, you can find further information about the legislation I am working on and the services my district office offers by accessing my website at www.house.gov/conyers. Again, thank you for contacting me. I am honored to represent you in Congress and I look forward to addressing your concerns. Sincerely, John Conyers, Jr. Member of Congress -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 3622 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Rob.Andrews at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:12:55 2002 From: Rob.Andrews at mail.house.gov (RAPublic) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:12:55 -0500 Subject: Thank you for Contacting my Office Message-ID: <37C70D05EFA4D211833F0008C7A49FD80C89CF8A@hrm13.house.gov> Thank you for contacting my office. If you are a constituent of the First Congressional District of New Jersey, and would like a response, please provide my office with your mailing address. If you have already done so, please know that you will receive a response in the mail. I respond to all constituent inquiries. Unfortunately, due to the high volume of e-mails my office receives daily, e-mails from outside my district will not receive a response. I encourage you to please contact your local representative. You can find that person's name by going to www.house.gov, the website of the House of Representatives. I thank you again for contacting me. Congressman Robert E. Andrews -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1103 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Public.Dingell at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:12:55 2002 From: Public.Dingell at mail.house.gov (Dingell, Public) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:12:55 -0500 Subject: Important System Upgrade Notice Message-ID: <9B9D3BF97E9AD211AB690008C75D486F0B9F2D83@hrm02.house.gov> Thank you for contacting me via electronic mail. I welcome the thoughts, comments and feedback from the concerned citizens of Michigan's 16th Congressional District. If you reside in my Congressional District, you will receive a written response from me shortly. If you live outside the 16th District, I will do my best to forward your concern to your Congressional Representative. ********Important System Upgrade Notice********* As of November 30, 2001, this e-mail address (Public.Dingell at mail.house.gov) will no longer be operational. Utilizing the most recent technology, my staff has developed a new system for faster, better and more efficient constituent services. To contact me in the future, simply point your web browser to my web page, http://www.house.gov/dingell and click on the "contact offices" link, or go to www.house.gov/writerep. From there I will be able to receive your views on the business before the Congress and respond to your questions and comments on a timelier basis. Of course, you may always contact me through the mail at: 2328 Rayburn H.O.B. Washintgon, D.C. 20515 Thank you again for being in touch. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1874 bytes Desc: not available URL: From DeGette at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:12:56 2002 From: DeGette at mail.house.gov (DeGette (Public Box)) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:12:56 -0500 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <4F7919E5AAA6D2119BC70008C75DC8460E3FD1A6@hrm11.house.gov> Thank you for contacting me. Your message is very important. Due to the discovery of anthrax on Capitol Hill, our offices have been closed since Wednesday October 17th in order to be evaluated. We have made every effort to continue the work on behalf of our constituents at an offsite location, and aside from a few technical difficulties, this effort has been largely successful. In order to continue effective constituent contact, I have set up an efficient way for you to contact me through my website. Once you log on to my homepage at www.house.gov/degette, please click on the "Contact Diana" button on the left hand side of your screen. Then click on "Write Your Representative" and follow the instructions from there. This system will ensure the most timely response to every constituent who writes me. Thank you for your support and understanding through these challenging times. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1358 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Gephardt at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:12:56 2002 From: Gephardt at mail.house.gov (Gephardt, Richard) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:12:56 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <9B9D3BF97E9AD211AB690008C75D486F0BDD9303@hrm02.house.gov> Thank you for your e-mail. I appreciate hearing from you. Due to the high volume of e-mails my office receives, I cannot guarantee a response to every message. However, if you reside in the Third Congressional District of Missouri, which I represent, and would like a written response, please resubmit your comments through http://www.house.gov/writerep. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. If you reside in the Third Congressional District of Missouri and wish to request Capitol/White House tours, or if you have a problem with a Federal agency, please contact one of my congressional offices. St. Louis: (314) 894-3400 Washington, D.C.: (202) 225-2671 Festus: (636) 937-6399 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1859 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Budmail at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:12:56 2002 From: Budmail at mail.house.gov (Budmail) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:12:56 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <1BC452A9F8A3D211831A0008C7A4FBC108F310B2@hrm10.house.gov> Greetings, Thank you for contacting my Washington, D.C., office via e-mail. I appreciate you contacting me through e-mail. I hope this system provides you with an easy and accessible way for you to send information to me about the issues of the day, casework, and requests. The nature of this system requires me to send written responses through the U.S. Postal Service, as I read and sign all of my mail. Therefore, if you have previously sent me an e-mail message and did not include your mailing address please re-send your message in its entirety with your address. Also, due to system security and integrity concerns, no e-mail document with attachment files will be opened by this office. We regret any inconvenience this may cause however, you may mail your attachments by way of the U.S. Postal Service to address listed below or include the text of your attachment in the body of your e-mail message. Please visit my web site at http://www.house.gov/cramer/index.htm which provides many helpful links (URL's) to Congressional, Executive branch, and Alabama web sites. Thank you again for contacting me. Sincerely, Bud Cramer, M.C. 2367 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515-0105 (202) 225-4801 budmail at mail.house.gov -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are concerned with a particular legislative proposal, please let me know what the legislative bill number is, a brief description of the bill proposal, whether you support or oppose the proposal, and why you support or oppose the proposal. This information will allow me better serve your needs and the needs of Nevada's First Congressional District. Finally, please visit my web site at http://www.house.gov/berkley/ to learn more about what I am doing in the United States Congress. Sincerely, Congresswoman Shelley Berkley -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You may click the following link to move directly to my Contact Page: http://www.house.gov/hooley/contact.html You will receive a reply to your communication as soon as possible. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you and thank you for your interest in sharing your views with me. Sincerely, Darlene Hooley -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1538 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Patrick.Kennedy at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:12:59 2002 From: Patrick.Kennedy at mail.house.gov (Kennedy, Patrick) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:12:59 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <0D00D65118A3D211B4750008C7A4A7E808723195@hrm03.house.gov> Thank you for your recent e-mail message to my office. Your views are very important to me, and I appreciate you taking the time to share your comments and concerns. I like to respond individually to every letter, phone call, and e-mail message sent to my office. However, because of a variety of reasons, I am unable to respond via e-mail. If you included your address in your e-mail, I'll be writing you back via the U.S. Mail shortly. If you did not included an address and would like a reply to your message, please send me your full name and mailing address along with your concern. Additionally, for security reasons, please keep in mind that I am unable to open and read attachments to any e-mail. Once again, thank you for contacting me, I appreciate hearing from you. Sincerely, Patrick J. Kennedy Member of Congress -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 642 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Ron.Kind at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:12:59 2002 From: Ron.Kind at mail.house.gov (Kind, Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:12:59 -0500 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <0D00D65118A3D211B4750008C7A4A7E807FEFF0F@hrm03.house.gov> Thank you for contacting my office about an issue that I know concerns you. In order to better serve the residents of Wisconsin's Third Congressional District, I am only able to respond to emails submitted through my website. Please use the following link, http://www.house.gov/kind/Pages/contactron.htm to submit your concern. Due to staff and resource limitations, I am only able to respond to residents of the Third Congressional District. Thank you once again for contacting me. Your comments are an integral part of the political process. Without them, I would not be able to make the decisions that affect our community and our nation. 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If you reside in the 15th District and would like a response to your message, please resend your message and be sure to provide your complete mailing address (including zip code) in the body of your message so that I may reply to your email as soon as possible. If you are unsure as to whether you live in the 15th Congressional District, please visit the web site of the United States House of Representatives (www.house.gov). There you will find an easy-to-use, zip code based system that will allow you to determine your respective representative. If you have difficulty accessing this site or wish to contact me for any other reason, please feel free to call my office at 202-225-2631 (Washington), 408-244-8085 (San Jose), or 831-630-5834 (Santa Cruz). Alternatively, you can fax me at (202) 225-2699. Thank you again for contacting me. -CONGRESSMAN MIKE HONDA mh:O2K -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, because my office receives e-mails > from around the nation, I must limit my responses to my home district. > This ensures the resources of my office are devoted to my constituents. > Thank you very much for taking the time to contact me. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1068 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Peter.Defazio at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:01 2002 From: Peter.Defazio at mail.house.gov (Defazio, Peter) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:01 -0500 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <37C70D05EFA4D211833F0008C7A49FD80CC3E11D@hrm13.house.gov> NOTICE: THE FOLLOWING IS AN AUTOMATED RESPONSE. YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE ANOTHER RESPONSE UNLESS YOU FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS OUTLINED BELOW. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE AND APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION. Dear Friend: Thank you for your e-mail message. I appreciate hearing from you. It is important that those who reside in the Fourth Congressional District visit my web page at http://www.house.gov/defazio to contact me. This is the only way to contact me via email. Rest assured that I will respond to you as soon as I am able. If you have a concern that is extremely time sensitive, please call 1-800-944-9603. No matter where you live, I'm very interested in hearing your views. In particular, I want to hear from anyone who lives in the State of Oregon - as Oregonians, we've got a lot in common. However, due to the incredible volume of letters, phone calls, and e-mail messages I receive, I am unable to reply thoughtfully and at length to those who reside outside of the congressional district I was elected to represent: Oregon's Fourth Congressional District. If you are a resident of the this district, I not only want to hear from you, I want to let you know what I'm doing about your concerns. It is important that those who reside in the Fourth Congressional District visit my web page at http://www.house.gov/defazio to contact me. This is the only way to contact me via email. Again, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. Sincerely, Peter DeFazio Member of Congress P.S. If you are inquiring about tours for an upcoming visit to Washington, D.C., please be sure you include your phone number in your e-mail message. My staff will contact you directly. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 2584 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Jay.Inslee at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:01 2002 From: Jay.Inslee at mail.house.gov (Congressman Jay Inslee) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:01 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <37C70D05EFA4D211833F0008C7A49FD80CAED122@hrm13.house.gov> This is an auto-response to confirm that I have received your email. Constituents will receive an additional response addressing their specific comments. Due to limited resources, I can only respond to constituents who live in the First Congressional District of Washington State. Please help me promptly respond to your concerns by completing the following steps: * If you included your complete First Congressional District street address in your email, you do not need to do anything further. I will respond to your specific concerns as soon as possible. * If you live in the First Congressional District, but did not include your street address in your email, please re-send your entire message and include your street address. I will respond to your specific concerns as soon as possible. * If you do not live in the First Congressional District, I will take your comments under consideration. To find your Representative, visit: http://www.house.gov/writerep/ Thank you for taking the time to contact me! 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I look forward to serving you. > > Very truly yours, > > LORETTA SANCHEZ > Member of Congress > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1317 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dennis.moore at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:01 2002 From: dennis.moore at mail.house.gov (Dennis Moore E-mail) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:01 -0500 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: Thank you for writing! Because of the massive volume of e-mail messages I receive -- many of which are from people outside my district -- I must ask that you use the "Write Your Representative" service. This service ensures that your message will go to the correct member of Congress. To send a message, visit http://www.house.gov/writerep/. Please be sure your name and address are entered correctly, as I cannot respond to e-mails from constituents that do not contain a return address. This is the only response you will receive to your message addressed to dennis.moore at mail.house.gov, so please use the Write Your Representative service by clicking the above link or by visiting my website at http://www.house.gov/moore. Thank you! Very truly yours, Dennis Moore Member of Congress -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1433 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Bobby.Rush at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:01 2002 From: Bobby.Rush at mail.house.gov (Rush, Bobby) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:01 -0500 Subject: Congressman Bobby L. Rush Message-ID: <6BAA4FF604A4D2119AD10008C7A4EFBB0A3B05E2@hrm06.house.gov> Thank you for contacting the office of U.S. Congressman Bobby L. Rush, Representative of Illinois' First Congressional District. You have reached an unattended site. If you would like a response from the Congressman, please visit www.house.gov/brush/ and utilize the "Write your Representative" feature available to our constituents. Thank you for taking the time to share your views. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 777 bytes Desc: not available URL: From SLevin at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:01 2002 From: SLevin at mail.house.gov (Congressman Sander Levin) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:01 -0500 Subject: Disabled Mailbox Message-ID: Thank you very much for your e-mail. I appreciate hearing from you. As part of an effort to update our Internet response system, this mailbox has been deactivated. Please now send electronic messages through my website at http://www.house.gov/levin. At my website, you will find additional information as well as ways to contact my office. As your Representative in Congress, it is important for me to receive your views and opinions. Thank you again for contacting me. With my regards and best wishes, Sander M. Levin Member of Congress -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1251 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Congressman.Schiff at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:02 2002 From: Congressman.Schiff at mail.house.gov (Schiff, Congressman) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:02 -0500 Subject: Reply from Congressman Schiff Message-ID: <9B9D3BF97E9AD211AB690008C75D486F0B36DA72@hrm02.house.gov> Thank you for contacting my comments only e-mail address. I appreciate hearing from you and welcome your input. Due to the large number of e-mails my office receives each day, I am only able to respond to constituents of California's 27th Congressional district. If you are a constituent and would like a response to a specific question, please contact me using the form at the following link: http://www.house.gov/schiff/as_sub_contact.htm or visit my website at www.house.gov/schiff and I will respond to you as soon as possible. If this is an urgent matter or if you need immediate assistance, please call my Pasadena office at (626) 304-2727 or my Washington, D.C. office at (202) 225-4176. Again, thank you for your input. Sincerely, Adam -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1567 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Alcee.Pubhastings at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:02 2002 From: Alcee.Pubhastings at mail.house.gov (Pubhastings, Alcee) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:02 -0500 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <0D00D65118A3D211B4750008C7A4A7E8073EBE7B@hrm03.house.gov> Thank you for contacting me via e-mail. I appreciate hearing from you and knowing of your views on issues that affect our nation. Be assured, I am listening carefully to the views of the people of Florida's 23rd District and will make my decisions in the House of Representatives accordingly. Unfortunately, due to the large volume of e-mail that my office receives, it is impossible to answer each one personally. If you do reside in the 23rd District of Florida and would like a direct response to your concerns, please write to me by regular mail at 2235 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC, 20515. Again, thank you so much for contacting me. With kind regards, I remain, Alcee L. Hastings Member of Congress -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1926 bytes Desc: not available URL: From CO02IMA.Pub at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:04 2002 From: CO02IMA.Pub at mail.house.gov (Mark Udall) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:04 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <54157EAD1599D211BA9F0008C75DE8C302A2558F@pf01.house.gov> Dear Constituent, Thank you for contacting me. Listening and responding to the concerns of the constituents in the Second Congressional District (2nd CD) is very important to me. I have chosen to use the Write Your Representative website (http://www.house.gov/writerep/) for e-mail communication. This service will help me communicate better with people of the 2nd CD and allow constituents to contact me without using an e-mail provider. As a result, I do not have a public e-mail address. Please use the Write Your Rep service in the future, so I can better serve you by corresponding more efficiently, promptly and completely. Once again, thanks for writing me with your concerns. Warm Regards, Mark E. Udall Member of Congress -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1527 bytes Desc: not available URL: From TX02WYR at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:04 2002 From: TX02WYR at mail.house.gov (TX02WYR) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:04 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <0D00D65118A3D211B4750008C7A4A7E8089B9E58@hrm03.house.gov> Thank you for your recent email. Because we receive hundreds of email messages every day, we must limit the use of our email communication to the constituency of the Second Congressional District. If you live in the Second Congressional District of Texas, please email me by visiting my website at www.house.gov/turner. Click on "Listening to You", and then scroll down and click on "Or You Can Email Me". You will then find instructions on how to enter your address and comments through the Write Your Representative system so I can provide you with a written response. This system is reserved for you as a constituent of the Second Congressional District. If you reside outside the 2nd Congressional District and need to reach me, please write me at 208 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515. If you desire to talk to me or my staff by phone, please call (202) 225-2401. Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me. Sincerely, Jim Turner, M.C -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1593 bytes Desc: not available URL: From oh13ima.pub at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:04 2002 From: oh13ima.pub at mail.house.gov (Congressman Sherrod Brown) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:04 -0500 Subject: Thank you for writing. Message-ID: <005880413050d12OH13@oh13.house.gov> Thank you for writing. Your correspondence is important to me and I want a chance to review your message prior to sending a final response. If you your street address was not included with your message, please resend your entire message with your address. If you live in Ohio's 13th district I will respond by e-mail or postal mail. Due to the volume of mail my office receives, I am unable to respond to individuals who do not reside in Ohio's 13th Congressional District. If you are sending a Washington scheduling request, please fax it to (202) 225-2266. For Ohio scheduling requests, please fax it to (440) 934-5145. If your concerns require immediate attention, please contact my toll free number @ 1-800-234-6413. From TEXAS17 at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:04 2002 From: TEXAS17 at mail.house.gov (TEXAS17) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:04 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <4F7919E5AAA6D2119BC70008C75DC8460CE110BD@hrm11.house.gov> Constituents of the 17th District of Texas: E-mail is a wonderful tool for enhancing communication and I appreciate your contacting me in this manner. However, in order to deal with the overwhelming number of e-mail messages sent from across the country, it has been necessary for me to change the way I receive e-mail. Please go into my web site at www.house.gov/stenholm/ and follow the instructions for sending me a message. This will take you to a "Write Your Representative" screen and will require you to enter your name and address. You then will be at a screen where you can send me your message. I regret this bit of inconvenience but the extra amount of effort will result in my being able to respond to constituents of the 17th District in a more timely manner. I look forward to hearing from you soon. With kind regards, I remain Sincerely yours, Charles W. Stenholm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1978 bytes Desc: not available URL: From David.Wu at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:06 2002 From: David.Wu at mail.house.gov (Wu, David) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:06 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <1BC452A9F8A3D211831A0008C7A4FBC108F0658E@hrm10.house.gov> Thank you for contacting me. I appreciate you taking the time to express your views. Due to the high volume of e-mails from around the country, I have changed how my constituents can e-mail me. Please visit http://www.house.gov/wu to send me a message. Sincerely, David Wu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 858 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Weiner at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:06 2002 From: Weiner at mail.house.gov (Weiner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:06 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: ***************THIS IS AN AUTOMATIC RESPONSE**************** Dear Friend: Thank you for taking the time to write. If you did not include your address with your email, please reply with your name, address and phone number. This will ensure that I am able to respond to the residents of my Brooklyn and Queens district as quickly and efficiently as possible. While I personally read and answer every letter from my constituents, it may not be possible to respond to correspondence from others. Thank you for understanding. I appreciate hearing from you. Best regards. Sincerely, ANTHONY D. WEINER ANTHONY D. WEINER Member of Congress -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 3013 bytes Desc: not available URL: From STUPAK at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:06 2002 From: STUPAK at mail.house.gov (STUPAK PUBLIC MAIL) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:06 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <49894AC4E8A3D211ACDB0008C75DC8F209F52C7D@hrm09.house.gov> Subject - AutoResponse to Public Email Thank you for your recent email correspondence. I receive a very large volume of email each day and use this input to gauge how the people of the First Congressional District of Michigan feel about various issues. Your correspondence is important to me and I want a chance to review your message prior to sending you a final response. I respond to email from my district through US Postal Service. Therefore, if you did not already do so, please ensure that your message includes a mailing address at the beginning of the email. Due to the large volume of emails I receive, I will not respond to emails that do not include both an address and a message. Constituents of the 1st District of Michigan will receive a written response from me in the next few weeks. If your concerns requires immediate attention, please contact my toll free number @ 1-800/950-7371. If you are writing on the topic of Accutane, send an email message to mailto:stupak.public.accutane at mail.house.gov. Please include your name, postal address and phone number. You may also visit my website at http://www.house.gov/stupak/. I appreciate the time you take to share your views with me. Sincerely, Bart Stupak Member of Congress -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 2530 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Lynn.Woolsey at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:07 2002 From: Lynn.Woolsey at mail.house.gov (Woolsey, Lynn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:07 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <435A5CEEACA6D211BEEA0008C75DA8850F8E92C6@hrm12.house.gov> Thank you for your e-mail message. I appreciate hearing from you. If you live in California's 6th Congressional District, which includes all of Marin and most of Sonoma Counties, this reply is not your final correspondence from me -- it's just an automatic acknowledgment that I have received your e-mail. I will send you a response through the regular mail service that addresses your specific concern. However, in order to ensure that I can respond properly, I ask that you reply back with your full mailing address, including street address, city and zip code. Again, thank you for your e-mail message. I am privileged to serve as your voice in Congress. Very sincerely, Lynn Woolsey -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1242 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Ike.Skelton at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:07 2002 From: Ike.Skelton at mail.house.gov (Skelton, Ike) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:07 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: THIS IS AN AUTOMATIC RESPONSE ACKNOWLEDGING RECEIPT OF YOUR E-MAIL THANK YOU FOR CONTACTING THE OFFICE OF CONGRESSMAN IKE SKELTON. This e-mail address is intended for the sole use of constituents in Missouri's Fourth Congressional District. If you are a constituent and would like a response from Congressman Ike Skelton, please make sure your full name and postal mailing address are included with your e-mail message. If you did NOT include this information and would like a response, please send the message again with your full name and postal mailing address. All constituent inquiries, including faxes, phone calls, letters, and e-mails, are acknowledged by regular mail. If a vote or other federal action is likely to occur soon, there may be a delay in responding to allow for a more detailed and factual reply -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1351 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Ellen.Tauscher at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:07 2002 From: Ellen.Tauscher at mail.house.gov (Tauscher, Ellen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:07 -0500 Subject: Thank you for your e-mail Message-ID: Thank you for e-mailing me. I appreciate hearing from you and value your input in developing sound, common-sense policies that benefit working families and businesses in Alameda and Contra Costa counties. I have closed this e-mail account and opened up a new one to better serve my constituents. Please e-mail me at my new account, which is directly accessible at www.house.gov/writerep. I hope you will continue to inform me of your legislative concerns. Please don't hesitate to contact me or my staff at (925) 932-8899 or (202) 225-1880 if we can be of further assistance. I look forward to hearing from you soon. Sincerely, Ellen O. Tauscher Member of Congress -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From M.Thompson at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:07 2002 From: M.Thompson at mail.house.gov (Thompson, M) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:07 -0500 Subject: Response from Rep. Mike Thompson Message-ID: <37C70D05EFA4D211833F0008C7A49FD80C98A16B@hrm13.house.gov> Dear Friend: Thank you for contacting my Congressional Office. Due to the tremendous increase in emails I receive from Americans across the country, I have closed this account. However, you can continue to email me by visiting my web site, http://www.house.gov/writerep. Please resend your message there. This format allows me to receive emails directly from constituents of the First Congressional District and I will be able to provide you with a response to any problem or question you may have. Again, thank you contacting my office. Sincerely, MIKE THOMPSON Member of Congress First District of California -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1329 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Gene.Taylor at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:09 2002 From: Gene.Taylor at mail.house.gov (Taylor, Gene) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:09 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: Thank you for contacting the office of Congressman Gene Taylor. Due to the overwhelming number of e-mail responses received by this office, we are unable to reply to all messages received. While your thoughts are appreciated, only those residents of the Fifth Congressional District of Mississippi who request a reply will receive a formal response via the U.S. Postal Service. To expedite your communication with Congressman Taylor, it is best that you use the following address: http://www.house.gov/writerep -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 971 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ar02ima.pub at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:37 2002 From: ar02ima.pub at mail.house.gov (ar02ima.pub at mail.house.gov) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:37 -0500 Subject: Response from Congressman Vic Snyder Message-ID: <0045b3713050d12AR02@ar02.house.gov> Thank you for your e-mail to my office. I appreciate your concerns. If you are a resident of my District, and you would like to receive a response, please include your mailing address. This will ensure that you will receive a timely and accurate response. If you failed to include your address, please forward it now along with your original correspondence. Regrettably, due to the large volume of e-mails I receive, I am only able to reply to those from Arkansas constituents. If you are not from Arkansas, I encourage you to contact your Representative in Congress by going to http://www.house.gov/writerep. Please know that I appreciate your taking the time to write. I hope that you will contact me if I can be of service to you in the future. Sincerely, Vic Snyder, Member of Congress From imaga05.pub at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:48 2002 From: imaga05.pub at mail.house.gov (Congressman John Lewis) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:48 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <003c64813050d12GA05@ga05.HOUSE.GOV> Thank you for contacting me via e-mail. I appreciate hearing from you. Unfortunately, due to the large volume of e-mail I receive, I cannot respond individually to your message. Please know, however, that your message has been received. If you have other questions or comments, please feel free to contact me at either of the following addresses. Congressman John Lewis 343 Cannon HOB Washington, DC 20515 Congressman John Lewis 100 Peachtree Street Suite 1920 Atlanta, GA 30303 Again, thank you for taking time to contact me. From ima_ca42iq at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:13:55 2002 From: ima_ca42iq at mail.house.gov (Congressman Joe Baca) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:13:55 -0500 Subject: Your recent message Message-ID: <03b2c0114050d12CA42IQ@ca42iq.house.gov> Thank you very much for contacting my office. Please know that I have acknowledged and registered your message, and greatly appreciate hearing from you. Your comments are an integral part of the political process without which, I would be unable to make the decisions that affect our community and our nation. From ima_tx30 at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:14:21 2002 From: ima_tx30 at mail.house.gov (Congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:14:21 -0500 Subject: Notice of Receipt of E-Mail Message Message-ID: <063992214050d12TX30IQ@tx30iq.house.gov> Thank you for contacting the Texas District 30 Congressional Office. It is always a pleasure to hear from Americans about issues affecting our country today. Your opinion is important to me, and I will make every effort to respond to messages from my constituents who provide their names and U.S. mail addresses. Thank you again for contacting me. Sincerely, Eddie Bernice Johnson, Member of Congress From petemail at stark.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:14:25 2002 From: petemail at stark.house.gov (Petemail) Date: 13 Jan 2002 00:14:25 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <020113.001425@stark.house.gov> Thank you for contacting me. Due to the high volume of e-mails, I have changed how constituents e-mail me. Please visit http://www.house.gov/stark/email.html to send me a message. Sincerely, Pete StarkWell look at this! Just like Lieberman, Tom's top donor is Citigroup which stands to lose $3 billion in the Enron debacle. So it's really about the congressional whores attempting to salvage whatever monies available for their corporate masters. Yes, keep digging you idiots, the corpses are buried everywhere. Enrongate, we can hardly wait. Tom Daschle Top Contributors 1993-1998 1 Citigroup Inc $56,750 2 Northwest Airlines $44,150 3 Joseph E Seagram & Sons $38,000 4 US West Inc $32,500 5 HealthSouth Corp $29,300 6 Bear, Stearns & Co $24,500 7 Time Warner $23,500 8 Occidental Petroleum $22,500 9 Gallo Wine Distributors $22,000 9 Gateway 2000 $22,000 11 Bank of America $19,000 12 Verner, Liipfert et al $16,850 13 DreamWorks SKG $16,500 14 Morgan Stanley, Dean Witter & Co $14,500 15 Cassidy & Assoc $14,310 16 Invacare Corp $14,000 16 Prudential Insurance $14,000 18 Walt Disney Co $13,998 19 Loral Spacecom $13,500 20 Holland & Knight $13,499 From pa03ima.pub at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:14:29 2002 From: pa03ima.pub at mail.house.gov (pa03ima.pub at mail.house.gov) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:14:29 -0500 Subject: Thank you for your recent E-mail message Message-ID: <05acf3014050d12PA03IQ@pa03iq.house.gov> Dear Friend: Thank you for your recent E-mail message to my office. I appreciate you taking the time to get in touch with me via the information super-highway. I am always happy to hear from my constituents on a wide range of issues. Please accept this response as acknowledgement that I have received your message and your comments have been noted. For Phildelphia residents who have included their name, postal address, and email address, I want you to know that I will be responding to your message as quickly as possible. For all other inquiries, please visit my website at www.house.gov/borski to learn more about the Third Congressional District, information on legislative research, other Members of Congress, federal resources, and much, much more! Again, thank you for contacting me and I hope that you will continue to share your views with me as we continue through the age of information technology. With best regards, Robert A. Borski Member of Congress From MN05ima.pub at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:15:18 2002 From: MN05ima.pub at mail.house.gov (MN05ima.pub at mail.house.gov) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:15:18 -0500 Subject: Thank you for contacting me. Message-ID: <00e451915050d12MN05@mn05.house.gov> Thank you for contacting me via electronic mail. I appreciate knowing your comments and concerns. I receive several thousand letters, phone calls, faxes, and e-mails every month. In order to treat all individuals fairly -- regardless of how they contact my office -- all responses are made by U.S. Mail in the order in which they are received. While I know this policy may be a bit frustrating in these times of electronic communication, I believe this is the most fair way to respond to my constituents. Therefore, if you have not already done so, please re-send your original message with your mailing address included. Thank you again for taking the time to share your views. Sincerely, Martin Olav Sabo Member of Congress From ima_nj08 at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:16:05 2002 From: ima_nj08 at mail.house.gov (Rep. Bill Pascrell) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:16:05 -0500 Subject: Citigroup salvage session Message-ID: <0050d0516050d12NJ08@nj08.house.gov> Thank you for contacting me through the House of Representatives Constituent Electronic Mail System (CEMS). I am pleased to be a part of this effort to offer citizens a quick and efficient way to communicate with their representatives in Congress. I will reply to all residents of the 8th Congressional district of New Jersey via email as quickly as possible. The volume of messages that I receive via Internet is enormous; in order to ensure that your correspondence is handled appropriately, please be sure that you included your name and complete postal address. Thank you. Sincerely, Bill Pascrell, Jr. Member of Congress From james.langevin at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:16:35 2002 From: james.langevin at mail.house.gov (Congressman Jim Langevin) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:16:35 -0500 Subject: Message from Congressman Jim Langevin Message-ID: <037033516050d12RI02IQ@ri02iq.house.gov> Thank you for contacting me by e-mail. I appreciate hearing your thoughts and welcome the opportunity to correspond with you. If you are a resident of Rhode Island's Second Congressional District and you have included your postal address in your message, you should be receiving a more detailed response to your inquiry. In the meantime, I encourage you to visit my official website (http://www.house.gov/langevin/) to learn more about my work in Congress. Sincerely, Jim Langevin Member of Congress From iqhi01ima.pub at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:19:20 2002 From: iqhi01ima.pub at mail.house.gov (iqhi01ima.pub at mail.house.gov) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:19:20 -0500 Subject: Reply from Congressman Neil Abercrombie Message-ID: <010f22019050d12IQHI01@iqhi01.house.gov> Mahalo for e-mailing my office. Your opinion is important, and I appreciate having your perspective. You can be assured that your message will be read and that I will keep your viewpoint in mind. Operations at our Washington D.C. office have been curtailed as a result of the recent anthrax attacks on Congress. For that reason, there may be a delay in responding to your email. I'd like to reply to everyone who e-mails my office. However, because of the large volume of e-mail and limited time and staff, it is impossible to answer everyone. We give first priority to responding to Hawaii residents. Because this system can not tell from your email address whether you are a Hawaii resident, we ask that you please re-send your message and include your Hawaii mailing address. If you've already included that information in your e-mail, please ignore this request. You will receive a response from our office via US Postal mail. If you wish to contact our office by postal mail, please send your letters to: Congressman Neil Abercrombie Room 4-104 PJKK Federal Building Honolulu, HI 96850 Please send faxes to (808) 533-0133. Mahalo for your patience and understanding. Aloha, Neil Abercrombie Member of Congress From mn06ima.pub at mail.house.gov Sat Jan 12 21:39:44 2002 From: mn06ima.pub at mail.house.gov (mn06ima.pub at mail.house.gov) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:39:44 -0500 Subject: Your recent message. Message-ID: <002644439050d12MN06@mn06.house.gov> Thank you very much for contacting me. I want you to know that I have received your comments and greatly appreciate hearing your views. If you are from Minnesota�s 6th Congressional District and have included your name, address, and zip code in your message, thank you. If you have not included your name, address and zip code, please re-send your message or visit my website at http://www.house.gov/luther/contact.html to pass along your comments. Thanks again. Your comments are important to me, and without them, I would not be able to make the best decisions for our community, state and nation. Best wishes! Sincerely, BILL LUTHER Member of Congress From jei at cc.hut.fi Sat Jan 12 15:21:55 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:21:55 +0200 (EET) Subject: Scientist Lee says data he copied were non-vital 'junk' Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:45:35 +0100 From: Mario Profaca Reply-To: spynews at yahoogroups.com To: "[Spy News]" Subject: [Spy News] Scientist Lee says data he copied were non-vital 'junk' http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/012/nation/Scientist_Lee_says_data_he_copi ed_were_non_vital_junk_+.shtml Scientist Lee says data he copied were non-vital 'junk' By Richard Benke, Associated Press, 1/12/2002 LOS ALAMOS, N.M. - In a new memoir, former Los Alamos scientist Wen Ho Lee says the nuclear ''crown jewels'' he was accused of mishandling were really the ''crown junk'' and were not vital to national security. The files he downloaded were old, with much of the information already public and very little of it classified, Lee says in ''My Country Versus Me,'' published by Hyperion. He says he copied the material onto tapes because he had lost files before and did not trust the computer system. He describes himself as a loyal ''Cold Warrior'' for the United States, yet says the FBI threatened him with execution if he did not confess to giving nuclear secrets to China. ''I want to share through this book how I fell into a trap,'' Lee says, ''one slippery step at a time, not even realizing what was happening until it was too late.'' Lee, a Taiwanese-born naturalized US citizen, was arrested in December 1999 and indicted on 59 felony counts alleging he transferred nuclear weapons information to portable computer tapes. He was held in solitary confinement for nine months, but never charged with spying. As the government's case crumbled, Lee pleaded guilty to a felony count of downloading sensitive material, and was set free. The mishandling of the case was an embarrassment for the FBI and the Justice Department. While Lee was behind bars, one senior scientist called the files ''the crown jewels.'' Lee says the downloaded tapes were all work-related, routine, and contained in a secure area at Los Alamos National Laboratory. ''In fact, the `crown jewels' are largely the crown junk,'' he says. ''This is the biggest nuclear weapons secret that LANL and the government have to hide.'' Lee says he copied the files - needed to design computer simulations for nuclear explosions - so he could have backup copies. ''In 1993, I lost several files as a result of a computer system conversion at the lab,'' he says. ''One of the codes I lost was about nuclear reactor safety. ... This was an important code, and it was gone.'' A call to the US attorney's office in Albuquerque yesterday was not immediately returned. Lee, who has been a US citizen since 1974 and spent 20 years doing top-secret work at the lab, is suing the government for defamation and claims he was targeted because he is ethnic Chinese. In a recent deposition made public yesterday, former energy secretary Bill Richardson said that ethnicity was not a factor in his firing of Lee or the decision to investigate him for possible security breaches. This story ran on page A2 of the Boston Globe on 1/12/2002. © Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <51ae068d475f75db058e383ad861c1fd@ecn.org> At 08:49 AM 1/13/02 +1100, mattd wrote: >The question "would an American shoot a fellow American?" is >not a recent one Only after some Amerikans have disarmed most Americans would some Amerikans have the nerve. They're working on it. --- Otto A.K. Sear From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 12 11:00:21 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 06:00:21 +1100 Subject: Burning down Peter Trei, spammeister,liar and coward. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113054739.00a594c0@pop.useoz.com> Im glad you like Ockam's razor pete,its almost as good as Ockers razor.That's the one that's going to remind this list every time you post that you exposed another list member to a parole officer's bust. That this may have been accidental stupidity is what Ockams tells me. That it was Peter Treis eugenics experiment as treacherous and slimy as they come is what Ockers razor tells me. The punishment should be a straight razor across the throat in either case. I'm complaining to your company about you spamming this list as well.I hope you get the sack.All women working there should be aware of you,that's clear. Crawl back under your rock,Trei,go die. From secure_2002cd at bh.at Sun Jan 13 15:56:10 2002 From: secure_2002cd at bh.at (secure_2002cd at bh.at) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 06:56:10 -1700 Subject: No Other Spy / Security Software like this... Message-ID: <0000233f75e5$00004b23$0000100d@210.190.22.162> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1758 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 12 12:35:25 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:35:25 +1100 Subject: more on procmail is not mattd's friend! Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113072901.00a62d80@pop.useoz.com> >>Cover traffic. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen<< That the remailers can be hassled about and allows mass revenge spamming here,Does petro have a creative mind? He seems to be customer for the CATO burger chain. When the Earth is sick, the animals will begin to disappear, when that happens, The Warriors of the Rainbow will come to save them. ~Chief Seattle ~ From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 12 13:09:49 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:09:49 +1100 Subject: Israel Kills Palestinian Boys For Organs!!! Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113075045.00a5e330@pop.useoz.com> Portnoys Complaint Its been known that the Israeli criminal snipers use dum dums and aimed to disable permanently so if they decided to harvest some organs it would be no huge extension.It might be preferable to be killed outright rather than live as para/quadraplegic in a police state thats looking more like the old Apartheid horrorshow everyday.Targeted action against 'wide target' sharon is clearly urgently needed.(my 0.02c) I wonder when the base will discover APster? The least hierachic should inherit the earth.Do we have any arabic translators in the house? This story reminds me of China recently where the organ donor,a convicted criminal shot in the back of the head,was still moving as the incision to remove his kidney was made.That monty python skit in the meaning of life looks more like a documentary these days.Did you sign this organ donor release form?We're here for your liver. From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 12 13:27:05 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:27:05 +1100 Subject: FREE JIM BELL GROUP INVITATION. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113082126.00a65210@pop.useoz.com> Cypherpunks special projects seeks all interested in investigating all avenues for the freedom of comrade Bell. "You could create a lottery. A lottery whose payoff was a reward to the person who came closest to predicting the time of death of a given government official." "They knew I wasn't planning to kill federal agents", Bell said this month. "They were scared because I had written something that shows a way to eliminate government. They were afraid I could convince the public that I could replace existing government for no more than a 10th or 20th of its current cost." "Imagine for a moment that, as ordinary citizens were watching the evening news, they see an act by a government employee or officeholder that they feel violates their rights, abuses the public's trust or misuses the powers that they feel should be limited. What if they could go to their computers, type in the miscreant's name, and select a dollar amount. If 0.1 percent of the population, or one person in a thousand, was willing to pay $1 to see some government slimeball dead, that would be in effect, a $250,000 bounty on his head." I think that one last (temporary) hope for government is to delay AP. Chances are good that the "think tank" decided that the best way to delay AP is to discredit me, its author. It was a desperate gamble, particularly because the act of harassing me automatically gives AP more publicity. That's the reason they will fail; the more they try to "get" me, the worse it will be for them." He wants it noted that his writing and discussions of AP ideas are in the sense of a "prediction", a "warning", or even a "vision", not an advocacy of it. From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 12 13:39:34 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:39:34 +1100 Subject: Amerika Uber Alles Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113083840.00a5feb0@pop.useoz.com> Amerika Uber Alles (Again) by Manuel Miles Note to anti-police-state/antiwar activists everywhere: the "new McCarthyism" is nothing new, as its name might even suggest. It's as Amerikan as apple flag and The Pie. The USA has been a goose-stepping, imperial state since at least the early nineteenth century, and it's not the first state of its kind in history either; not by a long shot. Witch hunting, as its name also suggests, is not a new practice in the USA. The Salem trials were the instrument of statist mass hysteria of their day. History then hurls the Alien-Sedition Act at us, followed by the Trail of Tears, Lincoln's mass imprisonment of dissenters and dissolution of the legal government of Maryland, the persecution of German-Americans in Part One of the World War and of the Japanese-Americans in Part Two, Joe McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee, the left/right coalition against them dirty hippie peaceniks during the War Against Viet Nam, and numerous other rounds of totalitarian terror campaigns which I haven't the time and space to even summarise because it's the entire history of the USA. So wake up and smell the decaf; this is no change of direction or sudden loss of imagined freedoms which the Imperial USA State never deigned to grant its serfs in the first place. A slight lessening of the harassment of dissenters occurs when the Empire is not feeling either particularly rambunctious or particularly threatened, but as soon as it hits one of its expansionist peaks, the pretence and the gloves both come off. Both wings of the Empire's ruling oligarchy have dropped their masks recently, much to the apparent astonishment of Libertarians and peaceniks who should not have been surprised in the least. First, it was "discovered" with great cries of shock that liberals were suddenly become gung-ho warmongers, as if there were no historical record of Wilson, FDR and LBJ--all three of whom had campaigned as "peace candidates"! Next came the "shocking revelation" that the so-called neo-cons were actually not opposed to massive expansion of government powers (even in the domestic arena of education where Bush, with the collaboration of a major Democratic Senator, is poised to sign the biggest, most expensive federal-interference-in-education bill in US history). As for the absurd self-deluding hopes that the neo-cons would actually oppose imperial wars of expansion, the recent bloodthirsty, fascistic positions of the fifth columnist "libertarian/neo-con" Cato Institute and Free[sic]Republic have revealed any such pipe dreams to be just so much political opium smoke. Now, all over the Internet, one can read of how shocked the naive among the antiwar forces are. This doesn't speak well for how well we have educated ourselves, especially in world and USA history. I can only conclude that too many of the younger generation of Liberty-lovers have not read enough history and that, worse still, we older ones have not bothered to educate them. Look for that to change. We need a massive, ongoing "teach-in" for ourselves and the rest of society as well, and I am starting it. Your first assignment, peaceniks, is to read MANY histories of Rome. If you fail to see the parallels to the Amerikan Empire (and all others), then you should drop out of the school of Liberty; you belong with the fifth columnists at the Cato Institute for Imperial War and Expansion. For those who want to read ahead, after you have done your research into ancient Rome, try reading actual USA history. Surprisingly enough, there is some of it out there, buried among the gloss-overs and paeans to the glory of the Imperial State(s). If you have any desire to be nostalgic for the wonderful American past of freedom and opportunity, etc., etc., blah, blah, blah, then you had better not poke your nose into the snake pit that is historical Amerika. Consider this to be fair warning; more will follow. January 10, 2002 Manuel Miles, aka Kaptain Kanada, is a politically incorrect writer from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. He is rude, nasty, intolerant, insensitive, hateful, hurtful, and proud of it. If something he writes hurts your sensitive New Age feelings, don't bother to whine to him about it; he doesn't care. He is a self-professed enemy of the state, and his personal goal is "...to die fighting for Liberty. From ravage at ssz.com Sun Jan 13 06:44:03 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:44:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: VIVA Agentina LIBRE! In-Reply-To: <3C4070AA.8355.4B09A0F@localhost> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 jamesd at echeque.com wrote: > If, as seems likely, the Argentinian economy makes an > unplanned and prohibited coversion from pesos to dollars, in > defiance of government policy, the likely result is that the > value of the peso will drop to zero. Actually the value of the government in power will drop to zero. If they make the change then it simply means that the government will change once again (the peso and their value is a irrelevant side issue). There will be one of two results. The first, if the 'power' structure stays in place is even more draconian approaches to solving their problem. The other, if the 'power' structure fails to follow the status quo is a more free market result. The operable question: What will the Argentinian military and police do if this attempt fails? -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 12 13:44:41 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:44:41 +1100 Subject: VIVA Agentina LIBRE! Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113084121.00a5e150@pop.useoz.com> BUENOS AIRES, Argentina  Rioters ransacked banks, destroyed ATM machines and set fires across downtown Buenos Aires early Friday after a night of street protests against a government freeze on bank deposits turned violent. MORE http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=02/01/11/1107123 We are all Argentineans. The IMF-backed policies in Argentina closely resemble the notorious Rogernomics policies inflicted on Aotearoa by the Lange Labour government and the succeeding Bolger regime and consolidated by todays fake left Clark-Anderton government. In both Argentina and Aotearoa, these free business-knows-best policies caused mass redundancies, greatly impaired social services with spending cuts, and drove down the average wage. In both Argentina and Aotearoa, a small minority of the population benefited massively from the impoverishment of the rest. The struggle in Argentina is our struggle.Listening Mr Mc Catohead? From mattd at useoz.com Sat Jan 12 13:49:23 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:49:23 +1100 Subject: The National Guard.Know your enemy. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113084732.00a62270@pop.useoz.com> Send in the National Guard Few people realize that the National Guard was a late 19th century device invented to "deal with" so called civil disturbances, also known as labor movements. The Guard was created to solve a problem: local cops could not reliably be counted on to brutalize strikers. The railroad strike of 1877 which created vast protests nationwide highlighted the need for an internal, federal anti-labor army. Membership in the Guard was originally WASP only (Irish, Italians and Poles were not to be trusted) and staffing came from the "upper crust" of society. You'll note that most armories from the founding era of the National Guard are located "uptown" in affluent neighborhoods. Elite members saw the armories as their last refuge in case of a class war which in the late 19th century was threatening to boil over at any minute. The question "would an American shoot a fellow American?" is not a recent one and it was determined over 100 years ago that yes, he would - and should if ordered. "Speaking at the annual convention of the Wisconsin National Guard in 1884, Colonel Charles King advised his fellow officers in a riot. 'Do not shoot until you have to, but when you shoot, shoot to kill"; he also spoke of the Milwaukee mobs, 'on whom it might be a municipal blessing to fire.'" A member of 19th Regiment of Pennsylvania summed up his understanding of his responsibilities this way: "It'll be a hard thing for me to shoot into a crowd of men who are bound to me by all the ties of human interest and friendship, but when I have my uniform on and the command of 'Fire' is given, I will shoot." These quotes come from "America's Armories" a book by Robert M. Fogelson, Professor of Urban Studies at MIT in a book published by Harvard University Press. Tyrants have a real problem when it comes to the challenge of getting otherwise decent people, men sworn to uphold the law, to commit atrocities against their own people. It's a problem, but not an insurmountable one. The solution, I'm afraid, is simple: deliberately put the law enforcers in harm's way (or create the illusion that they are in harm's way) and let nature take its course. A heavily armed force, strained, disoriented, and then threatened will "defend" itself with force and once the bullets start flying it's impossible to take them back and hard to cool things down. Take Kent State. It is a little known fact that the troops sent to Kent State to put down what amounted to little more than college hijinks at the demand of a paranoid and politically connected university president, were transferred to the campus straight from the burning streets of Detroit where they had regularly come under real gun fire in one of the most destructive riots in US history. The real problem in Kent State was not an anti-war protest, by the way, but a riot that occurred the previous weekend that had more to do with heavy drinking and spring fever than politics. It was *after* the shootings that the Guard then became an occupation force on the campus, imposing the equivalent of martial law. Take Tiananmen Square. When local forces would not act against the pro-democracy forces and in fact showed outright support of them, *rural* troops, many of whom had never seen a big city, were brought in. Carefully controlled as to the information they received, the imported troops were told that the protestors were led by dangerous foreigners who wanted to enslave the country. As a finishing touch, they were warned that the square was filled with all sorts of contagious disease and were advised to wear surgical masks and given "inoculations" right before the assault. The inoculations contained amphetamines which added to the country-raised soldiers terror as they were propelled into what they were told was a square of assassins and violent saboteurs. Take Chile. The most stable and democratic country in South America, suddenly the scene of a anti-civilian blood bath. Why? A carefully orchestrated psychological warfare campaign, that included assassinations of uncooperative military leaders, convinced the military that if they did not eliminate "the Left," the Left in Chile was actively making plans to eliminate them violently and replace them with a people's militia. A fable, but it was believed and acted upon. Even in a small riot in a US city, in order to get large numbers of police to behave viciously, the information given to them must be carefully controlled and they must be put in a situation where they are convinced that *they* are in danger and is kill or be killed. That's how it will happen here. Currently, National Guard members are being conditioned to project authority over average citizens in every day activities, in airports, in train stations, in bus stations. They are also, no doubt, being told that *everyone* is suspect and that anyone, at any time can suddenly 'snap' in the service of Osama bin Laden. Guys with funny shoes. Patriotic, good hearted kids in air planes. I expect soon we'll see a grandma join in. That's why I find the following story about the Iowa National Guard's ambitious training campaign so interesting. Some quotes: "... officers will be making their presence known around town as part of their terrorist training. "... the exercises are meant to serve as a reminder to Iowans. That attacks could happen here and we all need to be better prepared". I agree. We all need to be better prepared. http://www.rense.com/general19/gulag.htm From ravage at ssz.com Sun Jan 13 06:58:48 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:58:48 -0600 Subject: Slashdot | GNU GPL law and "lagom" copyright Message-ID: <3C41A0A8.51612C28@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/02/01/12/2149231.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Sun Jan 13 07:00:46 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:00:46 -0600 Subject: news.telegraph.co.uk - Pentagon warns of war lasting six years Message-ID: <3C41A11E.B623FD1B@ssz.com> http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$MO5SHXQAAECK5QFIQMGSFF4AVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2002/01/13/wtal213.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/01/13/ixnewstop.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Sun Jan 13 07:02:17 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:02:17 -0600 Subject: Argentine Government Calls IMF Advice 'Offensive' Message-ID: <3C41A179.6C15743C@ssz.com> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20020112/wl/argentina_dc_163.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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Message-ID: <200201132049.OAA14806@einstein.ssz.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1663 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jei at cc.hut.fi Sun Jan 13 04:57:36 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:57:36 +0200 (EET) Subject: Labour MPs protest as CIA gets power to snoop on any house in Britain Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:48:24 +0100 From: Mario Profaca Reply-To: spynews at yahoogroups.com To: "[Spy News]" Subject: [Spy News] Labour MPs protest as CIA gets power to snoop on any house in Britain http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=114243 Labour MPs protest as CIA gets power to snoop on any house in Britain By Severin Carrell 13 January 2002 The CIA has recruited British defence and hi-tech companies in an attempt to acquire the latest technology for its spying missions and intelligence-gathering. The British firms, including the mobile-phone company Hutchison 3G and aerospace contractor BAE Systems, are helping the CIA to develop sophisticated map reading, 3-D mapping and computer communications techniques. In conflicts such as the war in Afghanistan, these projects would potentially allow CIA agents in the war zone to translate an obscure reference to a building, village or cave into a 3-D photo-realistic map of the area via laptops and satellite phones. One project funded by the CIA uses raw data provided by the Ordnance Survey based on its digital maps of the UK, sparking criticism from MPs. One Labour MP said the projects raised major questions about whether these relationships were in Britain's interests. Alan Simpson, a senior member of the left-wing Campaign group of backbenchers, said: "Where does this take the CIA? If we're giving them the ability to plot grid references to any house in Britain, it raises fundamental questions about whether this is in the national interest." The CIA, the world's largest and most powerful intelligence agency, has been under immense pressure to catch up with the rapid developments and spread of computer and internet technology over the past decade. Its directors admit that the size and reach of the internet has left it struggling to catch up. In 1999, it set up a unique private company called In-Q-Tel to invest about $30m a year in hi-tech companies and research projects. "We make investments in companies where we have a strategic interest in the technology," a spokeswoman said. Five British firms have become collaborators or contractors for In-Q-Tel through a US-dominated alliance of more than 220 private companies, government agencies and universities called the Open GIS Consortium (OGC) to develop common technological standards for computers. In one project overseen by OGC, Hutchison 3G is a partner with In-Q-Tel and five US firms to design a system which allows wireless links between computers. The mobile-phone company Vodaphone is a contractor and the British companies Laser-Scan and its owner, Yeoman Group, have become observers in the project. In another project, In-Q-Tel has hired a division of BAE Systems and Laser-Scan, which makes digital and internet maps, to develop ways of linking geographical data from separate sources – a technique known as inter-operability. This project uses Ordnance Survey data. Laser-Scan is also involved with the Military Mapping Project, where the CIA and US Army is developing further sophisticated 3-D mapping techniques, such as sending them via the internet, in a restricted project also overseen by OGC. British companies appear to have avoided the most controversial projects funded by In-Q-Tel. One US firm called SafeWeb had been paid to give the CIA the ability to snoop on internet web sites without being detected. All the companies and agencies involved insisted the projects were above board, and Ordnance Survey stressed that its data was used simply for research purposes. In-Q-Tel denied that it required its contractors to sign secrecy deals with the CIA, or expected to control the results of its projects with OGC. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/TySplB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> =============================================================== SPY NEWS is OSINT newsletter and discussion list associated to Mario's Cyberspace Station http://mprofaca.cro.net/mainmenu.html =============================================================== *** FAIR USE NOTICE. 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For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------------------------------- SPY NEWS home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spynews To change your subscription mode to Daily Digest (one message a day) send a blank message: mailto:spynews-digest at yahoogroups.com Please note that replying to THIS e-mail will not remove you from the mailing list. To unsubscribe SPYNEWS send a blank message: mailto:spynews-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Mario Profaca Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From popkin at nym.alias.net Sun Jan 13 07:20:14 2002 From: popkin at nym.alias.net (D.Popkin) Date: 13 Jan 2002 15:20:14 -0000 Subject: Cypherpunk Ban References: <73D5453A-00A0-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: <20020113152014.19865.qmail@nym.alias.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 640 bytes Desc: not available URL: From piolenc at mozcom.com Sat Jan 12 23:21:44 2002 From: piolenc at mozcom.com (F. Marc de Piolenc) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:21:44 +0800 Subject: FREE JIM BELL GROUP INVITATION. References: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113082126.00a65210@pop.useoz.com> Message-ID: <3C413588.C358B3C8@mozcom.com> Interested. Sign me up. Marc de Piolenc mattd wrote: > > Cypherpunks special projects seeks all interested in investigating all > avenues for the freedom of comrade Bell. From faustine. at hushmail.com Sun Jan 13 17:09:24 2002 From: faustine. at hushmail.com (faustine. at hushmail.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:09:24 -0800 Subject: VIVA Agentina LIBRE! Message-ID: <200201140109.g0E19OS92262@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113182006.009c1900@pop.useoz.com> >>mattd and all the other pinkos and commies<< I'm an anarchist you dickhead,one who doesnt like pinko commies and doesn't trust ex-trotskyshits like you. >>think this is the second coming of the communist revolution.<< More crap from a professional crap artist specializing in Spain.See archive's last few weeks.I think it falls into the category of "collapse of Govts."and Tim Mays silence speaks volumes. >>In actual fact what happened is the umpteenth Argentinian president in the last couple of weeks issued a ringing denunciation of capitalism,<< Maybe the one reason he is still El presidente for life. >>and then told the Argentinians that in order to save them from capitalism, he was going to confiscate their dollars and replace them with nonconvertible pesos. << Some C/punks have come here suggesting we switch to e-dollars.The Euro and Peso conversions are fascinating. >>When the Argentinians understood just how they were going to be protected from the evils of capitalism, their enthusiasm for these measures diminished considerably. << We seem to have similar problems with untracable e-cash.Very interesting,go on. >>As we speak, while the Argentinian government is implementing all sorts of half assed socialist measures,<< Que? Such as,oh brilliant one.(I cover the waterfront.) >>the Argentinian public, whatever their views on politics in theory, << There is a long tradition of anarchism in Argentina going way back,its worth searching for.Viva l'anarqia! >>are as individuals implementing the most radical free market cure for their problems: Dollarization. << In South America many see this is synonymous with Yankee Imperialism.Jamesd's touching concern for the Govt and wealthy is noted. >>The situation in Argentina is akin to the situation in the Soviet Union shortly before the fall, in that socialism is being dismantled in practice without regard to government policy.<< So we will see robber barons and their private armies take over,billions to be streamed through offshore banks into US and Swiss accounts? 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Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA ************************************************************ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) - to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. * If you do not live in the USA, you can buy the $5 bills at your local bank . * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. You really need these reports, otherwise people won't be able to order anything from you and these reports hold IMPORTANT INFORMATION which you really need to make this into a success. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports. Save them on your computer so that they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the 5 reports, take this Letter and remove the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $555,550.00! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. g. Insert YOUR name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the MODIFIED list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. There are two primary methods of building your business! METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. (Using a good list the response could be much better.) Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $555,550.00 REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE !!! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ......... Grand Total = $555,550.00 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Note: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED. * Make sure you pay for the full mail costs and that you use enough stamps, especially if the person you order from lives in another country. This is really important because if you don't pay enough your mail won't arrive and you won't receive your report. Take some time to do this right, you only have to do it once and it's the base of your business. If you are not sure how many stamps you need, just ask your post office or bring the mail to them. They will make sure that it will have the correct postage. * Make sure the $5 cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper . * On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering (b) your e-mail address, (c) your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: ______________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: REUBEN MOSS P O BOX 5318,AFRIDAR 78153 ASHKELON ISRAEL ______________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: FAY HORACK 7 NEWARK STREET, BONAERO PARK KEMPTON PARK SOUTH AFRICA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: SANDRA KELLER 1239 MCCARTY AVENUE FAIRBANKS, AK 99701 USA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: AARON LEE GPO BOX 2996 BRISBANE QLD 4001 AUSTRALIA ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 5 : "HOW TO SEND 1 MILLION E-MAILS FOR FREE" ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: JAMES MICHAEL PO BOX 142 LAWNTON QLD 4501 AUSTRALIA ___________________________________________________ About 50,000 new people get online every month! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the 5 reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: * When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGEYOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR ************************************************************ This program really works. I live outside the US, in Europe and at first I had doubts, I wasn't sure if it would work and so I didn't take it very seriously. But after a while I figured "Why not?". After all, I can't loose much. I went to the bank and I bought 5 bills of $5 each. I sended the requests for the reports (I did everything just like I had to because I wanted to do everything right, so if it wouldn't work it wouldn't be my fault, but the program's) and waited. After a while the reports arrived by e-mail and I read them several times, they gave me precise information on how to let the program work and after I knew it all, I started my work. I started searching e-mail addressses everywhere (sites, magazines,...) and made long lists (I really enjoyed this because it was like a new hobby and I had nothing to loose). like crazy I started sending e-mail to people all over the world. I kept doiing this and checked the mail every day. After two weeks orders started to arrive. I remember the moment when I went to the mailbox and I found the first order for report #1. I just stood there for a moment and I said to myself: "this works, this thing f..... works !!!!" I was so happy that I started sending even more e-mails. The next day, nothing in the mail, I thought "maybe this is it" and I was a bit dissapointed but the next day I received 3 orders for report #1. i sended the reports to those people so they could start making money too (for them and for me). Two weeks later I was sitting almost 30 minutes a day before my computer sending reports to people that had ordered them. In these two weeks I received 29 orders for report #1. Profit so far: about 90 dollar. After that orders came faster and faster, every week I got hundreds of orders and the dollars kept coming. in total I received 64'000 dollar. can you believe this??? Last week I bought a new motorcycle and I owe it all to this program. if you're holding this paper right now and you're not sure whether to participate or not I can only say one thing: TRY IT, you won't regret. This is your chance, take it now or you will be sorry for the rest of your live. H.J. Moines, France. ************************************************************ My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL ************************************************************ The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Charles Morris, Esq. ************************************************************ Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA ************************************************************ I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, ..11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA *********************************************************** This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY ******************************* ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be factual or fictitious. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM !!!!! ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????? ?????????????? If you were not the intended recipient of this message, please accept my apologies and delete. Transmissions to you by the sender of this email will be stopped promptly by sending an e-mail with REMOVE in the subject line to rich at classicmail.co.za. This is not spam as we have included contact information & a remove link in accordance with the Unsolicited Commercial Electronic Mail Act of 2001. This message is sent in compliance of the new e- mail bill: SECTION 301. Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618, From mozart at highveldmail.co.za Sun Jan 13 20:03:58 2002 From: mozart at highveldmail.co.za (Jose Silver 3) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:03:58 Subject: INTERNET BUSINESS PROGRAM-BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Message-ID: <200201131804.g0DI4Zo58054@locust.minder.net> Dear Friend & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV : ''Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time'' THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one lady had to say: '' Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received a total of $ 610,470.00 n 21 weeks, with money still coming in''. Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey ========================================================= Here is another testimonial: ''' this program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, === PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ========== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following... ==============THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN !!! =========== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL ======= DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! =========== ============ Order all 5 reports shown on the list below´=============== DO NOT DELETE- PRINT IT, READ IT AND MAKE SOME BIG BUCKS. IT HAS WORKED SO WELL, THIS IS MY THIRD TIME AROUND. I QUIT MY BORING JOB. NOW I WORK AT THIS BUSINESS ABOUT ONE OR TWO HOURS A DAY PROCESSING ORDERS, INCLUDING MY DRIVE TO THE BANK! SO GO FOR IT, YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID! EARN $100,000 PER YEAR SENDING E-MAIL!!! Dear Friend, You can earn $50,000 or more in the next 90 days sending e-mail. Seem Impossible? Read on for details; is there a catch; NO, there is no catch, just send your emails and be on your way to financial freedom. "AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION" Thank you for your time and interest. This is the letter you've been reading about in the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the program. This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way to make some extra money at home. The results of this show have been truly remarkable. So many people are participating that those involved are doing, much better than ever before. Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting to be a part of lately. You will understand once you experience it. "HERE IT IS BELOW" ================================================ ================================================ *** Print This Now For Future Reference *** The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than 90 days! Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN !!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ IT IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams will come true. This Multi-Level e-mail order marketing program works perfectly 100% EVERY TIME. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of this action !!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-level methods by the mid to late 1990's into the 21st century. This a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get to work. The audience started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!" My name is Jerry Proctor. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past fifteen years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share the experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One program claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year... it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT !!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much it cost me. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1..Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO.ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL. Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than my target. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Jerry Proctor P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor will anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this and several other programs here and overseas. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them! Remember though, the more YOU send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! ************************************************************ "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA ************************************************************ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) - to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. * If you do not live in the USA, you can buy the $5 bills at your local bank . * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. You really need these reports, otherwise people won't be able to order anything from you and these reports hold IMPORTANT INFORMATION which you really need to make this into a success. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports. Save them on your computer so that they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the 5 reports, take this Letter and remove the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $555,550.00! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. g. Insert YOUR name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the MODIFIED list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. There are two primary methods of building your business! METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. (Using a good list the response could be much better.) Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $555,550.00 REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE !!! REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4..... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ......... Grand Total = $555,550.00 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Note: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED. * Make sure you pay for the full mail costs and that you use enough stamps, especially if the person you order from lives in another country. This is really important because if you don't pay enough your mail won't arrive and you won't receive your report. Take some time to do this right, you only have to do it once and it's the base of your business. If you are not sure how many stamps you need, just ask your post office or bring the mail to them. They will make sure that it will have the correct postage. * Make sure the $5 cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper . * On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering (b) your e-mail address, (c) your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: ______________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: REUBEN MOSS P O BOX 5318,AFRIDAR 78153 ASHKELON ISRAEL ______________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: FAY HORACK 7 NEWARK STREET, BONAERO PARK KEMPTON PARK SOUTH AFRICA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: SANDRA KELLER 1239 MCCARTY AVENUE FAIRBANKS, AK 99701 USA ______________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: AARON LEE GPO BOX 2996 BRISBANE QLD 4001 AUSTRALIA ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 5 : "HOW TO SEND 1 MILLION E-MAILS FOR FREE" ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: JAMES MICHAEL PO BOX 142 LAWNTON QLD 4501 AUSTRALIA ___________________________________________________ About 50,000 new people get online every month! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the 5 reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: * When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGEYOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR ************************************************************ This program really works. I live outside the US, in Europe and at first I had doubts, I wasn't sure if it would work and so I didn't take it very seriously. But after a while I figured "Why not?". After all, I can't loose much. I went to the bank and I bought 5 bills of $5 each. I sended the requests for the reports (I did everything just like I had to because I wanted to do everything right, so if it wouldn't work it wouldn't be my fault, but the program's) and waited. After a while the reports arrived by e-mail and I read them several times, they gave me precise information on how to let the program work and after I knew it all, I started my work. I started searching e-mail addressses everywhere (sites, magazines,...) and made long lists (I really enjoyed this because it was like a new hobby and I had nothing to loose). like crazy I started sending e-mail to people all over the world. I kept doiing this and checked the mail every day. After two weeks orders started to arrive. I remember the moment when I went to the mailbox and I found the first order for report #1. I just stood there for a moment and I said to myself: "this works, this thing f..... works !!!!" I was so happy that I started sending even more e-mails. The next day, nothing in the mail, I thought "maybe this is it" and I was a bit dissapointed but the next day I received 3 orders for report #1. i sended the reports to those people so they could start making money too (for them and for me). Two weeks later I was sitting almost 30 minutes a day before my computer sending reports to people that had ordered them. In these two weeks I received 29 orders for report #1. Profit so far: about 90 dollar. After that orders came faster and faster, every week I got hundreds of orders and the dollars kept coming. in total I received 64'000 dollar. can you believe this??? Last week I bought a new motorcycle and I owe it all to this program. if you're holding this paper right now and you're not sure whether to participate or not I can only say one thing: TRY IT, you won't regret. This is your chance, take it now or you will be sorry for the rest of your live. H.J. Moines, France. ************************************************************ My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL ************************************************************ The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Charles Morris, Esq. ************************************************************ Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA ************************************************************ I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, ..11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA *********************************************************** This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY ******************************* ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be factual or fictitious. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM !!!!! ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????? ?????????????? If you were not the intended recipient of this message, please accept my apologies and delete. Transmissions to you by the sender of this email will be stopped promptly by sending an e-mail with REMOVE in the subject line to rich at classicmail.co.za. This is not spam as we have included contact information & a remove link in accordance with the Unsolicited Commercial Electronic Mail Act of 2001. This message is sent in compliance of the new e- mail bill: SECTION 301. Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618, From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 13 01:13:40 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:13:40 +1100 Subject: Nazi's bolt more,Dukeing it out in York. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113201217.00a69b30@pop.useoz.com> Neonazis run out of York (english) by Baltimore IMC 11:16pm Sat Jan 12 '02 Black bloc and the working class (black, white, puerto rican, jewsish, men, women, young and old) kick the nazis out of York. Anti-racists showed up early morning in York, scouting locations and smashing all the white supremacist vehicles they could find with small scuffles with any white supremacists they could find. The black bloc marched around for awhile, found some hammerskins in a parking lot and scuffled before the police divided the two groups. Everyone went around the corner and there the Nazis were held for about 3 hours during Hale's speech (which people opposed to Hale form York took up much of the space so that nazis couldn't attend, rumored that it got so crowded the cops shut the meeting down and pushed everyone back to the street). People chanted and yelled, and a few people were arrested after some snowballs were thrown. When the library emptied out, that's when we saw more National Alliance people like Bill Roper and Erica Hardwick. All this time the anti-racist side continues to swell as it is joined by the working class in all the diversity that is in York: black, white, puerto rican, jewsish, men, women, young and old. When the white supremacists tried to leave as the police protected their exit, local kids led folks through an alley (York is a maze of alleys, they are everywhere), to confront the nazis. The nazis got beat on for awhile before the cops were able to come to their defense. They push everyone back (the bloc is now dissolved throughout the community), and police attacks and arbitrary arrests of black bloc and York locals continues to piss off the crowd and build solidarity. A black blocker had her arm broken (or atleast severly injured) in this confrontation, but the anti-racists dished out more damage than they took. At this point everyone is in the parking lot where the Hammerskins originally carpooled, and the police had abandonded it to protect the nazis. Many of the vehicles are adorned with confederate and other white power stickers in their windows, those windows don't last much longer as the black bloc begins to demolish them. The cops make several charges to clear the lot to allow nazis to get to their vandalized trucks. Again the cops continue arbitrary arrests even harassing the medics, which really turns the crowd against them. Most of the easy exits from the parking lot are blocked by clumps of protestors. Repeated efforts by the cops to clear a path through the crowd fail. Eventually, the police have the nazis trying to escape down an alley. Local crews lead the black bloc the way through alleys to catch the nazis at the other end. At one of these alleyways one of the nazis trys to run down the crowd with his white pickup truck hitting atleast one person (black bloc, sprained shoulder by He's doing well :), possibly others, including a young local girl which again really pisses of the locals. The nazi flees back down the alley toward the parking lot, where the cops sieze his truck. Now whatever nazis could escape, try to going along different routes and protesters attack them everywhere they find them, alley to alley, street to street. Lots of busted windows and bloody nazi faces. In one confrontation with another white pickup truck with white supremacist stickers, busted out windows and packed with nazis... after being attacked by a crowd, on of the nazis waves a gun and the crowd backs down. Elsewhere nazis are harrassed and chased out of the city. Literally, they were run out of town. There were 25 arrests, mostly for disorderly conduct who were all released by the evening. Two people had bails set at $500, which were paid, and another has a bail of $25,000 and been charged with "assaulting a police horse". The best part of it all is that they were run out of town by multi-racial working class crews spontaneously organized (though using the organized anarchist/anti-racist action presence as a seed to grow) kicked the nazis out of town. baltimore.indymedia.org From rahettinga at EarthLink.Net Sun Jan 13 18:10:17 2002 From: rahettinga at EarthLink.Net (R. A. Hettinga) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:10:17 -0500 Subject: VIVA Agentina LIBRE! In-Reply-To: <200201140109.g0E19OS92262@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> References: <200201140109.g0E19OS92262@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> Message-ID: At 5:09 PM -0800 on 1/13/02, faustine. at hushmail.com wrote: > Yep. Yep^2. Someday, what we call "currencies" will be mere indices of various assets. Look ma, no fiat-state numeraires... Think of a combination of Fama/Black, et. al's early 1980's notion of "new" monetary economics coupled with an index of (bearer-held :-)) assets in transit and in wearhouses, along with commodities, plus the usual equity and debt mixture. Pretty much what the fed does now, only the index will be sold, just like the S&P is now. When IBUC's site's back up, I'll point to an essay I did on it a couple of years ago... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' From ravage at ssz.com Sun Jan 13 19:12:04 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:12:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: Password Safe (was Re: The Scout Report -- January 11, 2002) (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:42:23 -0500 From: "R. A. Hettinga" To: Digital Bearer Settlement List , dcsb at ai.mit.edu, cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: Password Safe (was Re: The Scout Report -- January 11, 2002) At 5:05 PM -0600 on 1/11/02, Internet Scout Project wrote: > 16. Counterpane Labs: Password Safe > http://www.counterpane.com/passsafe.html > > Tired of trying to memorize numerous computer passwords? Password Safe is a > free Windows 9x/2000 utility that provides users the opportunity to keep > their passwords securely encrypted on their computers and provides a single > Safe Combination that unlocks all passwords. Password Safe "protects > passwords with the Blowfish encryption algorithm, a fast, free alternative > to DES." The program's security has been thoroughly verified by Counterpane > Labs under the supervision of Bruce Schneier, author of _Applied > Cryptography_ and creator of the Blowfish algorithm. Password Safe features > a simple, intuitive interface that lets users set up their password database > in minutes. One can copy a password just by double clicking and pasting it > directly into his/her application. Best of all, Password Safe is completely > free: no license requirements, shareware fees, or other strings attached. > [MG] -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sun Jan 13 19:12:18 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:12:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: Liability issues in computer security (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:25:57 +1300 (NZDT) From: Peter Gutmann To: cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: Liability issues in computer security For those who don't normally read it, the December issue of ;login (which you'll eventually be able to get at http://www.usenix.org/publications/login/ if you're not a member) has a nice legal analysis of the issue of liability for negligent computer security. It's probably the best (and certainly the most detailed) discussion I've seen on this topic (unless there's something hidden in an obscure law journal somewhere which I'm not aware of). Peter. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From measl at mfn.org Sun Jan 13 20:03:10 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:03:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention In-Reply-To: <3C41C045.135DA029@mozcom.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > mattd wrote: > > > US violates the Geneva Convention > > > The US is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, which specifies the > > conditions under which such prisoners are to be treated. The Convention > > covers irregular forces such as al-Qaeda as well as regular armed forces, > > Al-Quaeda is not a military force by any reasonable reckoning; I don't know what your definition of military force is Marc, but any *group* of persons who are armed and engaged in common cause qualify as a military force in my book. According to dictionary.com, "military" is defined as: military (ml-tr) adj. Of, relating to, or characteristic of members of the armed forces: a military bearing; military attire. Performed or supported by the armed forces: military service. Of or relating to war: military operations. Of or relating to land forces. You may not approve of calling groups you disagree with "military", yet it does not change the facts. > it is a > criminal association whose victims are defenseless and innocent of any > involvement (pro or anti) in the cause that the criminal association > claims to espouse. I assume you are referring to the WTC victims here. Sorry, but they were not "innocent". They, as participants in the selection of the rulers of this country, are 100% guilty of the many crimes perpetrated by the United States against other peoples. As for AQ being a "criminal association": how do you arrive at this? I suspect you get there by considering their acts to be outside of accepted behaviour (of any "lawful" society). If so, then I agree that they qualify as a "criminal association", however, this definition also qualifies the USA as a criminal association. What's good for the goose should be good for the gander, ya? > > and a quick skim suggests that the US are violating it in several ways. > > Interrogation: the US has publicly stated they will interrogate the > > prisoners; however this is specificly forbidden by the convention. > > Interrogation is certainly NOT prohibited by the Convention. Where are > you getting this nonsense? He hallicinates a lot when he runs out of Thorazine. > > Trial and punishment: POWs are considered to be subject to the same laws > > and regulations as soldiers of the detaining power; they may be tried only > > by military courts (except where jurisdiction would normally belong to > > civil courts), and sentances must be the same as for soldiers of the > > detaining power commiting similar acts. POWs tried for acts commited prior > > to capture retain the benefits of the Convention even if convicted. > > I'll say it again - these are not prisoners of war! Really? Fuhrer Bush disagrees with you. Our Maximum Leader has "declared" a "war on terrorism" (conveniently leaving out our own terrorist tendencies and acts). It was this "war" which led to the detention of these prisoners. Sorry Marc, these are indeed prisoners of war. Or maybe you consider that all the military force we just used over in Afghanistan was something other than an act of war? Terrorism maybe? > > If US prisoners were treated in this manner, the US would be kicking and > > screaming. Is this another case of US moral exceptionalism? I just *hate* to agree with mattd, but he's right on target here. > If the US prisoners in question had engineered, or were suspected of > having engineered, the deaths of thousands of innocent people, You can't *possibly* be this naive. > I suspect > that even LESS sympathy or consideration would be shown them. They > certainly would not get any from me. Talk the talk, but do you walk the walk? > Marc de Piolenc -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From alan at clueserver.org Sun Jan 13 22:27:33 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan Olsen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:27:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention In-Reply-To: <20020113233143.A28741@cluebot.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Declan McCullagh wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 01:13:41AM +0800, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > > I'll say it again - these are not prisoners of war! > > This is the heart of the matter. If the detainees are determined > to be POWs, that triggers a certain level of legal protection. > So far, it seems as though the U.S. is saying they are not but > we'll extend them some of the benefits because we're nice guys. The current administration keeps waffling on if this is a war or not. When it suits their purposes (getting money out of congress, censoring the press, and trampling on the constitution and bill of rights) it is a War. When it does not suit their purposes (like how they treat prisoners), it is not a War. Speaking of "Missing In Action"... Anyone know what Cheany is up to? If life imitates the movies, we are either seeing a remake of "Dave" or "Weekend At Bernies". -- alan at ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "All power is derived from the barrel of a gnu." - Mao Tse Stallman From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 13 03:42:35 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:42:35 +1100 Subject: The Mercy Seat Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113224118.00a64bc0@pop.useoz.com> It began when they come took me from my home And put me in Dead Row, Of which I am nearly wholly innocent, you know. And I'll say it again I..am..not..afraid..to..die. I began to warm and chill To objects and their fields, A ragged cup, a twisted mop The face of Jesus in my soup Those sinister dinner meals The meal trolley's wicked wheels A hooked bone rising from my food All things either good or ungood. And the mercy seat is waiting And I think my head is burning And in a way I'm yearning To be done with all this measuring of truth. An eye for an eye A tooth for a tooth And anyway I told the truth And I'm not afraid to die. Interpret signs and catalogue A blackened tooth, a scarlet fog. The walls are bad. Black. Bottom kind. They are sick breath at my hind They are sick breath at my hind They are sick breath at my hind They are sick breath gathering at my hind I hear stories from the chamber How Christ was born into a manger And like some ragged stranger Died upon the cross And might I say it seems so fitting in its way He was a carpenter by trade Or at least that's what I'm told Like my good hand I tatooed E.V.I.L. across it's brother's fist That filthy five! They did nothing to challenge or resist. In Heaven His throne is made of gold The ark of his Testament is stowed A throne from which I'm told All history does unfold. Down here it's made of wood and wire And my body is on fire And God is never far away. Into the mercy seat I climb My head is shaved, my head is wired And like a moth that tries To enter the bright eye I go shuffling out of life Just to hide in death awhile And anyway I never lied. My kill-hand is called E.V.I.L. Wears a wedding band that's G.O.O.D. `Tis a long-suffering shackle Collaring all that rebel blood. And the mercy seat is waiting And I think my head is burning And in a way I'm yearning To be done with all this measuring of truth. An eye for an eye And a tooth for a tooth And anyway I told the truth And I'm not afraid to die. And the mercy seat is burning And I think my head is glowing And in a way I'm hoping To be done with all this weighing up of truth. An eye for an eye And a tooth for a tooth And I've got nothing left to lose And I'm not afraid to die. And the mercy seat is glowing And I think my head is smoking And in a way I'm hoping To be done with all this looks of disbelief. An eye for an eye And a tooth for a tooth And anyway there was no proof Nor a motive why. And the mercy seat is smoking And I think my head is melting And in a way I'm helping To be done with all this twisted of the truth. A lie for a lie And a truth for a truth And I've got nothing left to lose And I'm not afraid to die. And the mercy seat is melting And I think my blood is boiling And in a way I'm spoiling All the fun with all this truth and consequence. An eye for an eye And a truth for a truth And anyway I told the truth And I'm not afraid to die. And the mercy seat is waiting And I think my head is burning And in a way I'm yearning To be done with all this measuring of proof. A life for a life And a truth for a truth And anyway there was no proof But I'm not afraid to tell a lie. And the mercy seat is waiting And I think my head is burning And in a way I'm yearning To be done with all this measuring of truth. An eye for an eye And a truth for a truth And anyway I told the truth But I'm afraid I told a lie. From declan at well.com Sun Jan 13 20:31:44 2002 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:31:44 -0500 Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention In-Reply-To: <3C41C045.135DA029@mozcom.com>; from piolenc@mozcom.com on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 01:13:41AM +0800 References: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114011309.00a669f0@pop.useoz.com> <3C41C045.135DA029@mozcom.com> Message-ID: <20020113233143.A28741@cluebot.com> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 01:13:41AM +0800, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > I'll say it again - these are not prisoners of war! This is the heart of the matter. If the detainees are determined to be POWs, that triggers a certain level of legal protection. So far, it seems as though the U.S. is saying they are not but we'll extend them some of the benefits because we're nice guys. -Declan From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 13 04:39:31 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:39:31 +1100 Subject: Jamesd lies Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020113233854.00a5c7f0@pop.useoz.com> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/jamesd.html From unicorn at schloss.li Sun Jan 13 21:43:40 2002 From: unicorn at schloss.li (Black Unicorn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:43:40 -0600 Subject: When prisoners of war aren't even close. (Was: RE: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've been quite amused to watch all the wrangling about the "Geneva Convention" with respect to captives held by the United States in relation to the events of September 11th- both here and in the media. First of all, no one seems to bother specifying which "Geneva Convention" they are referring to. (Several agreements between states would apply. I assume that what is meant is the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War. I don't believe any of the captives apply to this definition, or any of the other protections generally referred to as the "Geneva Convention" for several reasons. Let's review some of the assertions made by mattd (who I had ploinked but so many morons here are apt to quote him that there seems to be no escape) and others. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cypherpunks at lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks at lne.com]On > Behalf Of measl at mfn.org > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 10:03 PM > To: cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com > Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention > > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > > > mattd wrote: > > > > > US violates the Geneva Convention > > > > > The US is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, which specifies the > > > conditions under which such prisoners are to be treated. The > > > Convention covers irregular forces such as al-Qaeda as well as > > > regular armed forces, Where do you see this? Let's look at the language of the Convention, instead of the Fox News bullet points, shall we? The Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War was Adopted on 12 August 1949 by the Diplomatic Conference for the Establishment of International Conventions for the Protection of Victims of War, held in Geneva from April to August, 1949. (The "Third Convention") It entered into force for the then signatories on October 21, 1950. First: Article 2 "In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peace time, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them." I'm afraid al Qaeda is not a high contracting party. A state of war does not exist in the United States, as congress has no so declared. Well, can we get it in somewhere else? "The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance." Since no international body I am aware of recognizes that al Qaeda has any territory to occupy I think that is out. I suppose one might pretend that the United States is "occupying" Afghanistan, but given that the Americans are outnumbered by some thousands to one in ratio I kind of doubt this will fly. "Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof." Specifically, if three parties are "in conflict" and one is not a signatory, the remaining two powers shall abide by the Convention with respect to each other. They shall also abide by it with respect to the non-signatory, provided that non-signatory accepts and applies the provisions of the Convention. Anyone want to who try and tell me that al Qaeda "accepts and applies the provisions of the Convention?" > > Al-Quaeda is not a military force by any reasonable reckoning; Even if it were al Qaeda members do not fall into the definition of "protected persons" or "prisoners of war" as defined by the Third Convention. It's pretty specific in Article 4: "Article 4 A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy: 1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces." Nope. Al Qaeda is a group of diverse nationalities. They are not members of any particular armed forces. Even if we believe they are an armed force of their own right, they are not a Party to the convention. "2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements..." Oh wait! Wait! "...belonging to a Party to the conflict..." Damn. Nope. Well, maybe if we really stretch things... "...and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions: (a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates..." Sure, sure, thank you Osama... "...(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance..." Well, maybe we can fudge this. "...(c) That of carrying arms openly..." Yep, that's easy. "...(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war..." Oops. Well, maybe we can look the other way on this one? > I don't know what your definition of military force is Marc, but > any *group* of persons who are armed and engaged in common cause > qualify as a military force in my book. > > According to dictionary.com, "military" is defined as: > > military (ml-tr) > adj. > Of, relating to, or characteristic of members of the armed > forces: a military > bearing; military attire. > Performed or supported by the armed forces: military service. > Of or relating to war: military operations. > Of or relating to land forces. > > You may not approve of calling groups you disagree with "military", yet it > does not change the facts. If you're going to make legal arguments, use legal definitions. Finding the definition that applies to the Conventions is left as an exercise for the reader. (Hint: It's not in dictionary.com). > > it [Qaedea] is a criminal association whose victims are defenseless > > and innocent of any involvement (pro or anti) in the cause > > that the criminal association claims to espouse. > > I assume you are referring to the WTC victims here. Sorry, but > they were not "innocent". They, as participants in the selection > of the rulers of this country, are 100% guilty of the many crimes > perpetrated by the United States against other peoples. Oh boy. Medication time. Medication time. I do so love when people quote what they think is chapter and verse only to totally disregard it when its convenient to the argument to do so. Reader Exercise #2: Are the victims of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks "non-combatants" for the purposes of the convention? Reader Exercise #3: Why doesn't it make any difference? [Noise about the US being a criminal association deleted] > What's good for the goose should be good for the gander, ya? See above. > > > and a quick skim suggests that the US are violating in several ways. > > > Interrogation: the US has publicly stated they will interrogate the > > > prisoners; however this is specificly forbidden by the convention. > > > > Interrogation is certainly NOT prohibited by the Convention. Where are > > you getting this nonsense? It most certainly is not. > > I'll say it again - these are not prisoners of war! > > Really? Fuhrer Bush disagrees with you. Our Maximum Leader has > "declared" a "war on terrorism" (conveniently leaving out our own terrorist > tendencies and acts). Bush can declare whatever he likes to the press. Only congress can declare war for the purposes of the Convention. > It was this "war" which led to the detention of these > prisoners. Sorry Marc, these are indeed prisoners of war. Or maybe you > consider that all the military force we just used over in Afghanistan was > something other than an act of war? Terrorism maybe? Now I'm getting sleepy. Blather tires me eventually. Final student exercises: Why don't the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War (The Fourth Convention) or the Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol 1) apply to the captives either? From mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu Sun Jan 13 16:20:08 2002 From: mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu (lcs Mixmaster Remailer) Date: 14 Jan 2002 00:20:08 -0000 Subject: info restriction: reclassifying declassified docs Message-ID: <20020114002008.15582.qmail@nym.alias.net> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20020113/ts/us_germ_weapons_1.html Bush May Limit Germ Weapons Info By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration is considering whether to restrict distribution of government documents that describe how to make germ weapons, White House officials said Sunday. U.S. stockpiles of offensive germ warfare agents were destroyed nearly three decades ago as part of the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention. But the government kept the blueprints for manufacturing such weapons, and continues to sell them. ``The administration is generally conscious of this issue,'' John H. Marburger III, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, said in a telephone interview Sunday. ``There are obviously people thinking about what to do about it.'' The administration is likely to take action on the matter, Marburger said, adding that he did not know what action would be taken nor when. Homeland Security director Tom Ridge hinted that the administration is strongly considering placing new restrictions on the information. ``We are a very open society and we're very much an information society, and there are a lot of us that think that some of the information we share with the public probably should be restricted in some fashion,'' Ridge said on CNN's ``Late Edition.'' Marburger and other administration officials are ``looking to see what kind of information should be so easily available in the public domain,'' Ridge said. Members of Congress have also aired concerns about the issue, he said. ``We are open, we are trusting, but we have to be a little bit more careful and a little bit more vigilant,'' Ridge said. ``And we may have to take a look at these kinds of issues from a different perspective because of the tragedy of September 11 and the follow-on incidents that we've had to deal with.'' Several agencies are weighing the level of danger and possible action, Marburger said. A spokeswoman for the Defense Department said Sunday she could not comment, as did a White House spokesman. Representatives of the Justice Department (news - web sites) and the White House Office of Homeland Security did not return calls. Marburger said he had not personally seen the documents on assembling such weapons. Among the questions is how dangerous they are, he said. ``It is clear that they are based on a picture of biology that's almost 50 years old,'' he said. ``It's not clear to me how useful they are.'' The New York Times first reported on the documents and the debate in Sunday editions, and said despite their age, the manuals contain information that could help produce the kind of anthrax powder infected at least 18 people and killed five in the United States last year. According to the newspaper, federal agencies routinely sell the now-declassified documents to historians and researchers. The government provides more sensitive papers on the subject after Freedom of Information Act requests. Dr. Harry G. Dangerfield, a retired Army colonel, is preparing a report for the military that will call for the reclassification of more than 200 reports that he told the newspaper are cookbooks for turning germs into weapons. Any such move to reclassify the manuals would run into resistance from advocates of public access to government documents. Moreover, an executive order signed by then-President Clinton (news - web sites) in 1995 bars reclassification, the Times said. The Bush administration is considering its own order allowing the documents to once again be kept from public view, it reported. Marburger said Sunday he did not know about any such move. ........ 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From piolenc at mozcom.com Sun Jan 13 09:13:41 2002 From: piolenc at mozcom.com (F. Marc de Piolenc) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:13:41 +0800 Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention References: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114011309.00a669f0@pop.useoz.com> Message-ID: <3C41C045.135DA029@mozcom.com> mattd wrote: > US violates the Geneva Convention > The US is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, which specifies the > conditions under which such prisoners are to be treated. The Convention > covers irregular forces such as al-Qaeda as well as regular armed forces, Al-Quaeda is not a military force by any reasonable reckoning; it is a criminal association whose victims are defenseless and innocent of any involvement (pro or anti) in the cause that the criminal association claims to espouse. > and a quick skim suggests that the US are violating it in several ways. > Interrogation: the US has publicly stated they will interrogate the > prisoners; however this is specificly forbidden by the convention. Interrogation is certainly NOT prohibited by the Convention. Where are you getting this nonsense? Every army of every signatory power has interrogators trained and ready to process prisoners of war. Every infantry leader is trained to rapidly elicit information of immediate tactical value from the enemy soldiers whom he captures. > No > prisoner is bound to give anything more than the infamnous "name, rank and > serial number" (or equivalent); coercion to gain more information is > expressly forbidden "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of > coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them > information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may > not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or > disadvantageous treatment of any kind." (Article 17) Right. Coercion and torture forbidden. Asking questions is not. Use of trickery is not. Many other means of obtaining information are not. > Housing: the US are housing the POWs in wire-mesh cages. Unless US troops > are quartered in similar conditions, this is a violation: "Prisoners of war > shall be quartered under conditions as favourable as those for the forces > of the Detaining Power who are billeted in the same area. The Convention certainly did not envision eliminating security precautions against the escape of prisoners! > Trial and punishment: POWs are considered to be subject to the same laws > and regulations as soldiers of the detaining power; they may be tried only > by military courts (except where jurisdiction would normally belong to > civil courts), and sentances must be the same as for soldiers of the > detaining power commiting similar acts. POWs tried for acts commited prior > to capture retain the benefits of the Convention even if convicted. I'll say it again - these are not prisoners of war! > If US prisoners were treated in this manner, the US would be kicking and > screaming. Is this another case of US moral exceptionalism? If the US prisoners in question had engineered, or were suspected of having engineered, the deaths of thousands of innocent people, I suspect that even LESS sympathy or consideration would be shown them. They certainly would not get any from me. Marc de Piolenc From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 13 06:15:03 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:15:03 +1100 Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114011309.00a669f0@pop.useoz.com> US violates the Geneva Convention (english) by Idiot/Savant 3:35am Sun Jan 13 '02 (Modified on 4:34am Sun Jan 13 '02) Some of the ways in which the US is violating the Geneva Convention at Guantanamo. The US is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, which specifies the conditions under which such prisoners are to be treated. The Convention covers irregular forces such as al-Qaeda as well as regular armed forces, and a quick skim suggests that the US are violating it in several ways. Interrogation: the US has publicly stated they will interrogate the prisoners; however this is specificly forbidden by the convention. No prisoner is bound to give anything more than the infamnous "name, rank and serial number" (or equivalent); coercion to gain more information is expressly forbidden "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind." (Article 17) Housing: the US are housing the POWs in wire-mesh cages. Unless US troops are quartered in similar conditions, this is a violation: "Prisoners of war shall be quartered under conditions as favourable as those for the forces of the Detaining Power who are billeted in the same area. The said conditions shall make allowance for the habits and customs of the prisoners and shall in no case be prejudicial to their health. The foregoing provisions shall apply in particular to the dormitories of prisoners of war as regards both total surface and minimum cubic space, and the general installations, bedding and blankets. " (Article 25). Trial and punishment: POWs are considered to be subject to the same laws and regulations as soldiers of the detaining power; they may be tried only by military courts (except where jurisdiction would normally belong to civil courts), and sentances must be the same as for soldiers of the detaining power commiting similar acts. POWs tried for acts commited prior to capture retain the benefits of the Convention even if convicted. Prisoners must be tried according to the same standards as soldiers of the detaining power, must be granted access to adequete and independent counsel of their own choosing, and may not be tried in courts which do not offer "essential guarantees of independence and impartiality as generally recognized". (Articles 82 - 107) In other words, Bush's kangaroo military tribunals are out. There's other questions relating to provision of clothing, not holding POWs in confinement and the conditions under which they were transferred to Cuba (shackled, chained to their seats for the whole flight, and (according to the news) unable to move even to relieve themselves), but I'm sticking to things which can be clearly proved rather than venturing into murky territory. If US prisoners were treated in this manner, the US would be kicking and screaming. Is this another case of US moral exceptionalism? Idiot/Savant add your own comments Good stuff (english) by anon 4:02am Sun Jan 13 '02 I'm pleased to see any of this type of stuff appear on Indymedia. If we are thinking, then maybe others will start to think also (I'm an optimist occasionally). My familiarity is with the Hague Convention that preceded the Geneva Conventions. What I see here is 'the worst' of the breaches in the POW rules that I studied from the WWI era. The US hasn't the right to pick and chose which things it obeys - but where the heck are the people with the clout to stop them? I am convinced that the UN is a waste of space. I totally agree that the US would be screaming if someone did something like this to US troops. In WWI, stuff like the US was largely 'controlled' (a.k.a. carefully hidden) out of fear of what 'the enemy' would do to the captor country's troops if 'the enemy' caught any. Thus the US is seemingly setting up its own troops for horrible deaths. Of course, maybe there is truth to the many hundreds of US deaths that have been claimed by the Taliban and supposedly hidden by US authorities???????? WE have the clout to stop them (english) by proffr1 at etc 4:27am Sun Jan 13 '02 Its all laid out in assassination politics,like arnie Swarvztnegger reading from a cue card.(especially p 10) Soft drill a few safely and the last empire will crumble into dust.Crypto anarchy is here folks.We ARE ALL FREE. When cryptography is outlawed V? PS+++ PE Y+ PGP- t* 5+++ X R* tv b+ DI+ D++ G++>+++ e>++ h-- r++ y+ Spread the great news! Extraordinary Combatants (english) by Archimedes 4:34am Sun Jan 13 '02 The Bush Administration is taking the position that the detainees transported to Cuba are not prisoners of war, but extralegal combatants, i.e., they are not members of the duly constituted military force of a recognized government. With regard to the al Qaeda forces, this is correct; they should be handled as criminal defendants, not as captured soldiers. A propos of the Taliban forces, however, this is puzzling since the US formerly and recently recognized and interacted with the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan. One is also left to wonder why, if none of the combatants are state representatives, the US feels justified invading and devastating a sovreign nation to pursue criminal suspects. There seems to be some confused thinking amongst our best and brightest on these points. From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 13 06:48:21 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:48:21 +1100 Subject: FREE JIM BELL GROUP INVITATION. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114013331.00a68e30@pop.useoz.com> >>Interested. Sign me up. Marc de Piolenc<< Comeback as yourself or anonymously (ricomended) and pledge to pay 1$ or equivalent Barter Unit of Money to pay the reasonable expenses of the person or persons unknown that most closely predicts the permanent retirement of ANY Govt employee.(especially forest grunts,this is soft drilling NOT jim approved AP) There's 2$ on dick Armitage and a few hundred on Jeff gordon/robb London already but your welcome to "fork your own Distro". You may live in Argentina or Columbia for all I know.(or want to know.) I will try and match your bid and will certainly advertise it widely at Indymedia,Infoshop,etc. This is an APster special OP to bust out Jim,then maybe chris 'the Falcon' Boyce and Leonard Peltier.If all goes well we should have all the drug war prisoners out by Xmas.Thanks for writing Marc, We are the champions my friend. When cryptography is outlawed 5.0.0.25.0.20020113082126.00a65210111111110000000000000111111010100010001111 From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 13 07:24:22 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:24:22 +1100 Subject: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics.Fautines flipped. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114020810.00a6a130@pop.useoz.com> >>Your corrections notwithstanding, do you really find it rational to expect the fate of a few citizens to change national policy? Why should it.<< Read AP you trizzy little bitch...and tremble. >>>It is and always has been the policy of the Zionist Entity to regard its >>civilians as expendable for propaganda purposes in any hostage situation.<< >>So? Only the weak-minded would sit around fretting and crying over what happens to a few people who are likely going to be killed anyway. If I--or anyone I ever cared about--were hostages, it wouldn't change my mind on this in the least. The terrorists are the ones responsible for rendering me "expendable", not whomever they're trying to pressure. Absolutely despicable, get a spine.<< Get a dick up your tight little arsehole girlfriend.plug it for a bit. >>Fuck negotiation, fuck capitulation. Give in once and you're setting yourself up for more of the same for eternity. Someone says they're going to slaughter my family unless I do what they want? Go right ahead and see what it gets you.<< They never gave you a credit for "the fifth element" and all those chuck Bronson movies,did they? Oh and "the usual suspects" of course.We all ready got a Keyser Sose here lady.Why dont you just pull a train and leeeve. >>The sentimental don't have a snowball's chance in hell against the ruthless:<< I must remember to have that carved onto your buttcheeks,Pucker up,snowball. >>wallowing in the finer points of conscience is a luxury those on the wrong side of a gun just can't afford<< Wallowing in Tims fetid hot tub is expensive for your street cred you ugly fat hoe bitch. >>Initiating force and responding to it in kind are two entirely different issues: just because the Palestinians have a legitimate cause for complaint doesn't mean they (or Israel, or the US) should get a free pass. Nobody gets a free pass. ~Faustine.<< Thinnest books of the world now include the wit and wisdom of Justine/Faust.The mephisto waltz just spun *her*out. From mattd at useoz.com Sun Jan 13 08:18:37 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:18:37 +1100 Subject: Labour MPs protest as CIA gets power to snoop on any house in Britain Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114030809.00a6bd80@pop.useoz.com> Anyone who's seen "A fish called Wanda,"knows where this could lead. Seriously though,anyone working for In-Q-tel and the new MIL/IND COM deserves close surveillance and targeted action. If the Phantom Menace of Muslimism fades they might just target us.I hear we are already being wargamed.NETFORCE is coming,APster must get there 1st. The UK also needs some Zimbabwe style land reform and I hear that little bastard Harry has been caught smoking Pot,His dad should have a good long chat with him...and so should Prince Charles. "There is no such thing as anonymity on the internet" british plainscloths cop after 'smashing' a pedophile 'ring'. From measl at mfn.org Mon Jan 14 02:13:36 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:13:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: Say Good-Bye To Spam FII In-Reply-To: <00003c444ecd$00005404$000009cb@mx2.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 ma95rkb at yahoo.com wrote: > > BRAND NEW ANTI-SPAM TECHNOLOGY! Oh, the irony... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cripto at ecn.org Sun Jan 13 19:37:35 2002 From: cripto at ecn.org (Anonymous) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:37:35 +0100 Subject: Ken Taylor: After the fire, into Africa Message-ID: <1a3e86c38053cda5a91da5dcce0a791c@ecn.org> After the fire, into Africa By JOHN BARTLET Monday 21 May 2001 Now hear the hollow hills, now walk on shards, hear the death of color, watch white birds hawk the blackened plains. Sit among stones, sing summer songs of dust and ashes, and let the lessons begin. Now Hear the Hollow Hills With these words, poet Ken Taylor began to put into words the grief and depression into which he fell after the destruction of his Mount Macedon home and possessions in the 1983 Ash Wednesday bushfires. It was his decision to "deal with grief in order to live" and marks the first poem in Africa, his collection that this week won the New South Wales Premier's Kenneth Slessor prize for poetry. Africa is his first published work for 15 years and indicates the profound effect Ash Wednesday had on his life. The fires meant not just the loss of house, possessions, paintings and library but works in progress, journals and notebooks he had kept during the years he had been developing the Natural History Unit of Australia. "It was a major loss for me, a career loss, and an exponential loss, hard to explain to anyone," he says. Like many people who have been through this type of disaster, the post -fire depression was overwhelming and it took Taylor almost 10 years to recover from the experience. "I was lucky to survive," he admits now. The poems of Africa represent his recovery from that loss. Taylor was born in Ballarat in 1930 and his life was unsettled by his father's absence at the war. "My mother suffered on account of this and it was a difficult time for her. I was sent as a boarder to Ballarat Grammar School but strangely I enjoyed the life." Even then, he expected to go to war and went to infantry training schools in Watsonia and Puckapunyal. His real ambition, at 17, was to leave Ballarat for the wider world, where he could "have adventures and write books". His "adventures" included working as a cub reporter in New Zealand, where he covered the shipping round. One night a British refrigerated meat-boat had to replace two deserters in order to sail with a full crew. Taylor volunteered and became a fireman on the ship. He not only survived the threat of being thrown overboard but also a force-12 storm in the Western Atlantic. It was this experience that he wrote into the first of his Africa poems, "to get rid of the fire, to deal with an enduring, pervasive sense of depressive grief". He says he needed images of upheaval and transformation and found them in that experience. "A little ship like ours would creep up the side of a great wave and then tip over the top. The screws would race in air and the governors would cut in like machine gun fire to stop the big engine destroying itself. Then the ship would go down the other side of the mountain." Taylor was an established writer and film maker by the 1960s. On his return from a Harkness Fellowship at Cornell University, he was one of the founding writers of the La Mama Writers Workshop in Melbourne. His first poems were published in the United States. He went on to found the Natural History Unit of the ABC in 1969. But he was never satisfied to record wilderness from a distance and once spent 10 days on a fishing boat riding out a storm in Bass Strait. "I think I spent 12 hours studying a small patch of red linoleum on the floor while blue and white water smashed over the wheelhouse," he says. Over two years, the unit produced 12 films on natural Australia. Wild Australia was the first series of Australian documentaries to win a worldwide television audience. Africa speaks of a man surprised by love, not a mawkish or adolescent love, but one that is startling and harshly realistic "that happens / across the stretched white paper / we both walk on." "A long friendship turned into an intense relationship," he says, "and this made me write again. One day I became conscious I could see color in the world about me and I wrote of "that / particular silence as / color seeps into the edges of a washed out / world." "Poems," he says, "start with a certain thought or observation and then the pulse takes it on. I'm usually not trying to write for effect, although there are effects. "It's a substantial honor for me (to win the prize),coming after 40 years of serious writing and I think it will encourage me enormously." According to poet and critic Chris Wallace-Crabbe, Taylor's is a "poetry that felt fast, natural spontaneous as though the landscape itself were pouring onto the page in words". Taylor is a poet who interprets the landscape with an eye that is not European. He credits a long list of people as having shown him the way to look at landscape- "fishermen, farmers, film makers, pilots, rangers, divers, scientists, bird people, reptile people, arid land people, station managers and one publican/pilot". Africa is published by Five Island Press. From Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header at [127.1] Sun Jan 13 21:47:15 2002 From: Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header at [127.1] (Anonymous) Date: 14 Jan 2002 05:47:15 -0000 Subject: registering Cypherpunks movement ... Message-ID: <9BAXTFOV37270.0328125@anonymous.poster> Not a joke. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=corp&group=34001-35000&file=35000-35007 "35001. This title is enacted in the exercise of the police power of this State for the protection of the public peace and safety by requiring the registration of subversive organizations which are conceived and exist for the purpose of undermining and eventually destroying the democratic form of government in this State and in the United States." From anna_morgan at yours.com Mon Jan 14 06:34:12 2002 From: anna_morgan at yours.com (Anna Morgan) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:34:12 -0800 Subject: a must have domain name Message-ID: <200201141428.g0EEScje026411@ak47.algebra.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 8432 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roy at scytale.com Mon Jan 14 06:04:58 2002 From: roy at scytale.com (Roy M. Silvernail) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:04:58 -0600 Subject: Email postage redux Message-ID: <3C42912A.22780.F2DA4@localhost> The email postage meme seems to be spreading a bit. http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2838340,00.html It's a reader's letter suggesting a plan for e-postage. The interesting point is that it doesn't suggest is-a-person credentials are a necessity, and even mentions techniques for anonymous email. -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com roy at scytale.com From jya at pipeline.com Mon Jan 14 08:06:46 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:06:46 -0800 Subject: When prisoners of war aren't even close. (Was: RE: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Despite what has been promoted by the media (and orchestrated leaks to it by the US and UK): 1. No definitive link between Al Qweda and the 911 attackers/Moussaoui has been proven; only assertions have been to date. 2. Nor any proven link of the attackers to the Taliban, the ruling government of Afghanistan with whom the US and other governments had been engaging in regular diplomatic relations. 3. Most if not all prisoners of war held by the US served under the Taliban, not Al Qaeda. 4. There is more evidence for punishing the US military and homeland for directly training and arming the Murrah Building attackers and instigating the attack than there is for punishing the Taliban and Al Qaeda. 5. Defining enemies of the US is and has been a role of US media for longer than we want to believe due to our having no access to secret information upon which national defense policy is made until, at best, long after the US has deliberately misled its poplulace with biased and misinforming news reports, leaks and official statements. 6. The US is not alone in keeping its citizenry and some of its governing officials misinformed, allegedly in the national interest. 7. The US lacks a mechanism such as the British Parliament to question its ruling Taliban; the media claims this role for itself but does not do what it is specially privileged to do, particularly in times of war and variations on alleged national emergencies, primarily because much of the media is organized to distribute simple-minded entertainment matters based on a flood of custom-made delivery mechanisms -- press releases, conferences, salons, din-dins, retreats, pillow talk, temporary service in minor roles in government and study groups. 8. As we see here virtually all the time, debate never exceeds what the debaters have read, seen and heard of media output, except in the rare cases of original research, and even then, until the research is valorized by media coverage nobody pays attention to it. 9. There were times early on when the list offered original material on a fairly regular basis, from subscribers or from anonymous contributors; occasionally that still occurs, but mostly we enjoy eating and arguing about fake food. 10. These points are well-worn and have no original content; this is known as the American Way in the US, in Afghanistan the Taliban, elsewhere called what fundamentalism sells bibles and advertising. From ravage at ssz.com Mon Jan 14 06:10:29 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:10:29 -0600 Subject: Slashdot | Why 'rm -R star' Isn't Enough Message-ID: <3C42E6D5.CEB6F2DC@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/yro/02/01/14/1328244.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Mon Jan 14 06:27:17 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:27:17 -0600 Subject: Swarms Of Tiny Robots To Monitor Water Pollution Message-ID: <3C42EAC5.64EDD8B7@ssz.com> http://unisci.com/stories/20021/0114026.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From petro at bounty.org Mon Jan 14 09:18:35 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:18:35 -0800 Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention In-Reply-To: <3C42CEC7.144EC37A@mozcom.com> Message-ID: On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 04:27 AM, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: >> What's good for the goose should be good for the gander, ya? > > Nonsense. No reasonable definition of criminal conduct would put the US > government and al-Quaeda in the same category. How about Criminal Conduct meaning "Actions violate the laws". The USG *HAS* done that from time to time you know. Maybe not as baldly as al-Quaeda, but it has done so. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen From ravage at ssz.com Mon Jan 14 07:28:53 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:28:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: Hiding Sensitive Data Can Be Tough in a Digital Age (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:23:10 -0500 From: "R. A. Hettinga" To: Digital Bearer Settlement List , dcsb at ai.mit.edu, cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: Hiding Sensitive Data Can Be Tough in a Digital Age http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/14/technology/ebusiness/14DELE.html?pagewanted=print January 14, 2002 Hiding Sensitive Data Can Be Tough in a Digital Age By JOHN MARKOFF SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 13 - The modern task of successfully destroying electronic documents has become daunting enough to give Oliver North nightmares. Mr. North is the Marine officer who became notorious during the Reagan-era Iran-contra scandal after it was discovered he had tried to delete thousands of e-mail messages, only to discover that they had been retained on backup tapes and made available to Congressional investigators. The issue of the destruction and possible retrieval of electronic data burst into the news last week after Arthur Andersen & Company, the auditors for the Enron Corporation (news/quote), said that the accounting firm had destroyed a "significant but undetermined" number of documents relating to Enron and its finances. The embarrassing acknowledgment set off new demands from Congress that Andersen produce a wide range of documents, including e-mail and other computer files for investigators. Today, Mr. North's efforts would be vastly more complicated because of changing computer technologies and the emergence of the Internet, which has ensured that there will be multiple copies of almost any electronic document. "Today documents aren't just stored. They're sent," said Mark Rasch, a former federal prosecutor who is vice president for cyberlaw at Predictive Systems (news/quote), a network security consulting firm based in Herndon, Va. Even though many companies have general procedural rules that require the periodic deletion of e- mail, he noted, messages can usually be recovered. "The sender and the recipient may have the message on their machine, in addition to the server where it was stored," he said. "Unless there is a tool used to remove it using military-grade technology, it can be recovered." Most computer-literate office workers now realize that simply deleting an e-mail message or moving a document onto the trash icon on their computer's desktop screen does not eliminate the data. That is because modern computers organize information by using file-system directories that point to physical areas on a disk drive where the data resides. "Deleting" the information usually only breaks the link between the directory and the data so that the original storage space can be reused in the future. To eliminate important data, some companies and individuals use software tools that try to "wipe" files from storage disks by writing random strings of 1's and 0's over the space where the files were stored. Others will use programs that "defragment" disks by moving information around on the surface of the disk so that data can be retrieved more efficiently, which can also write over old data. Or they can reformat the drives entirely. What most computer users do not realize, however, is that the world of computer forensics has made huge strides in recent years, and it is now remarkably difficult to hide data from a determined investigator. "Computer forensics is going to play an important role in recovering documents in the Enron case," said John Patzakis, president and general counsel of Guidance software, a company in Pasadena, Calif., that makes hardware and software used by law enforcement authorities as well as the Big Five accounting firms. Every action taken by a computer user leaves a telltale trail, he said, so the act of deleting documents can itself be revealing. "Not only can computer forensic techniques recover documents, but they can inform investigators when and how they were deleted," he said. "It is often possible to determine if a deletion is an innocent act pursuant to a corporate policy or if there is an ulterior motive." Even more remarkable, technical means exist to retrieve data that has been erased. It is possible to take a disk apart and use an electron microscope to read information from the individual magnetic spots on the surface of a disk that may have been intentionally erased, Mr. Patzakis said. Originally a tool of the intelligence world, this technique - which is costly - has been used successfully in big legal cases. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From ravage at ssz.com Mon Jan 14 07:29:02 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:29:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: Web Security Company Takes No Prisoners (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:26:35 -0500 From: "R. A. Hettinga" To: Digital Bearer Settlement List , dcsb at ai.mit.edu, cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: Web Security Company Takes No Prisoners http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/14/technology/ebusiness/14SECU.html?pagewanted=print January 14, 2002 Web Security Company Takes No Prisoners By CHRISTINE BLANK s a former airborne infantry officer in the Army, Clarence Briggs was trained to protect the country from foreign enemies. Now, he is using those specialized skills to protect his company, Advanced Internet Technologies, from hackers, competitors and disgruntled employees. Surrounding the company's property in Fayetteville, N.C., is coiled razor wire atop a six-foot chain-link fence. The buildings have eight-inch- thick concrete walls and are patrolled by uniformed guards with ready access to firearms. Mr. Briggs explained that he did not want competitors to steal server computers or data - something he said he had seen at other companies that like his, serve as hosts for client's Web sites. Mr. Briggs, who founded the privately held company six years ago along with other former military people, has also installed video cameras, created password access to secured areas, locked sensitive documents in a vault and insisted on extensive employee background checks. He said such measures were necessary to protect the 32,000 Web sites the company operates for companies based in this country and abroad. "Security must absolutely pervade an organization, especially an I.T. organization," Mr. Briggs said, using an abbreviation for information technology. "Most I.T. organizations don't even know how bad they get hurt - until it's too late." He says that the company, which is generally known as A.I.T., deals with several attempted network hacker attacks a day. Fortifications include A.I.T.'s custom-made firewall software, vigilant surveillance by the staff - most of whom are military veterans with extensive technical training. "If I catch you, no expense is too great for me to come after you, and I will make your life miserable," Mr. Briggs, a former major, said. The A.I.T. team tracks down perpetrators, then either phones them or sends representatives from the company or local law enforcement agencies to warn against further attempts. "We employ a lot of little traps to track folks that access our network," Mr. Briggs said. "We use the typical ambush techniques." The company is so confident of its preparedness that it plans to offer a security service for corporations this spring. The program, Mr. Briggs said, will be modeled on A.I.T.'s mix of physical and electronic security, along with a "rapid deployment team" that can be quickly dispatched to deal with security breaches. -- ----------------- R. A. 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--------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Somebody Mon Jan 14 10:03:42 2002 From: Somebody (Somebody) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:03:42 -0800 Subject: From epayments news Message-ID: Fujitsu Transaction Solutions Inc. will unveil a new handheld computer next week designed for retailers. The Fujitsu iPAD, a compact, Microsoft Windows CE .NET-based mobile device, available in mid-2002, will combine a scanner, magnetic- and smart-card reader, keypad with encryption capabilities, and phone capability. The devices are intended to give retailers a complete, wireless retail appliance. iPAD can be used for inventory management, debit transactions, price verifications, phone calls, line busting, mobile POS and gift registry. The product uses an Intel processor and can support any 802.11b wireless LAN infrastructure. With 'Windows CE .NET', iPAD will support both XML and VoIP. 802.11b capable as well as a magstripe reader? Perfect retail device for skimmers don't you think? (PS If you do forward this, zap my name OK?) --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From keyser-soze at hushmail.com Mon Jan 14 10:29:36 2002 From: keyser-soze at hushmail.com (keyser-soze at hushmail.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:29:36 -0800 Subject: Off the wagon, again Message-ID: <200201141829.g0EITaX86088@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> George II now sports a nasty little bruise on his face. The spin is that he choked on a pretzel and fell down. Right. I wonder who's running things now that the king has fallen into his old habits. Will it be like Nancy and Ron? From mmotyka at lsil.com Mon Jan 14 09:43:36 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:43:36 -0700 Subject: Drugs Squad Fumes As Bookshop Shields Reader Message-ID: <3C4318C8.83540644@lsil.com> Won't it be wonderful if the Court rules in favor of the 1st? OTOH, why trust in a corruptible legal system? Use cash and don't leave the ID information at the goddam bookstore in the first place. If you're going to keep the book and you can't deduct it, peel stickers, destroy receipts. Duh! It is time for books to be published on CD. Using open-source tools and good encryption, then the fascists can't even tell what you read. Unless your OS is corrupted. Which brings me to the "Digital Church" e-mail. That has been suggested before. Doesn't seem very useful. I think some more useful things to do are : Hack CD burners to add a SetBurnerIDCode command. Gather, duplicate and distribute widely state, federal and unpopular information that is quickly disappearing. It's like F451 - private archives are the only way to save proscribed information. We're just about four months into the latest excuse the trash civil liberties and they're now telling us it could last for six years. Extrapolation looks nasty. Mike From schear at lvcm.com Mon Jan 14 10:59:13 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:59:13 -0800 Subject: Philips Says Compact Discs Can't be Copyprotected Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114105850.0401ed78@pop3.lvcm.com> Tomcat666 writes "tecChannel has a story about Philips, the holder of the most CD digital audio (CD-DA) patents. Apparently, they don't like the audio CD copy protection many record companies want to enforce in the future. They break the CD-DA standard and therefore are not allowed to use the logo. As a conclusion, Philips' next audio CD copier will be able to detect and probably circumvent the copy protection of audio CDs." This article is Auf Deutsch but the fish does a tolerable job of making it sane for those who can't remember the proper gender of all their nouns. http://slashdot.org/articles/02/01/11/1816258.shtml From bill at scannell.org Mon Jan 14 10:03:36 2002 From: bill at scannell.org (Bill Scannell) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:03:36 -0600 Subject: The Joys of Entourage Rules In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115055231.00a6b1a0@pop.useoz.com> Message-ID: Hey kids! Microsoft -can- do something effectively. Using the 'rules' tool, one can easily plonk special-ed short bus passenger mattd as well as all emanations from Choate Prime into the 'deleted items' folder. Defeat Means Extinction, -Bill -- -Say goodbye, George... "Goodbye, George." Out The Door In 2K4! From anonymous at remailer.havenco.com Mon Jan 14 04:44:18 2002 From: anonymous at remailer.havenco.com (Anonymous User) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Reformatted] info restriction: reclassifying declassified docs References: <20020114002008.15582.qmail@nym.alias.net> Message-ID: mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu (lcs Mixmaster Remailer) writes: > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20020113/ts/us_germ_weapons_1.html > > Bush May Limit Germ Weapons Info > > By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer > > WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration is considering whether to > restrict distribution of government documents that describe how to > make germ weapons, White House officials said Sunday. > > U.S. stockpiles of offensive germ warfare agents were destroyed > nearly three decades ago as part of the 1972 Biological Weapons > Convention. But the government kept the blueprints for manufacturing > such weapons, and continues to sell them. > > ``The administration is generally conscious of this issue,'' John > H. Marburger III, director of the White House Office of Science and > Technology Policy, said in a telephone interview Sunday. ``There are > obviously people thinking about what to do about it.'' > > The administration is likely to take action on the matter, Marburger > said, adding that he did not know what action would be taken nor > when. > > Homeland Security director Tom Ridge hinted that the administration > is strongly considering placing new restrictions on the information. > > ``We are a very open society and we're very much an information > society, and there are a lot of us that think that some of the > information we share with the public probably should be restricted in > some fashion,'' Ridge said on CNN's ``Late Edition.'' > > Marburger and other administration officials are ``looking to see > what kind of information should be so easily available in the public > domain,'' Ridge said. Members of Congress have also aired concerns > about the issue, he said. > > ``We are open, we are trusting, but we have to be a little bit more > careful and a little bit more vigilant,'' Ridge said. ``And we > may have to take a look at these kinds of issues from a different > perspective because of the tragedy of September 11 and the follow-on > incidents that we've had to deal with.'' > > Several agencies are weighing the level of danger and possible > action, Marburger said. A spokeswoman for the Defense Department > said Sunday she could not comment, as did a White House spokesman. > Representatives of the Justice Department (news - web sites) and the > White House Office of Homeland Security did not return calls. > > Marburger said he had not personally seen the documents on assembling > such weapons. Among the questions is how dangerous they are, he said. > > ``It is clear that they are based on a picture of biology that's > almost 50 years old,'' he said. ``It's not clear to me how useful > they are.'' > > The New York Times first reported on the documents and the debate > in Sunday editions, and said despite their age, the manuals contain > information that could help produce the kind of anthrax powder > infected at least 18 people and killed five in the United States last > year. > > According to the newspaper, federal agencies routinely sell the > now-declassified documents to historians and researchers. The > government provides more sensitive papers on the subject after > Freedom of Information Act requests. > > Dr. Harry G. Dangerfield, a retired Army colonel, is preparing a > report for the military that will call for the reclassification of > more than 200 reports that he told the newspaper are cookbooks for > turning germs into weapons. > > Any such move to reclassify the manuals would run into resistance > from advocates of public access to government documents. > > Moreover, an executive order signed by then-President Clinton (news > - web sites) in 1995 bars reclassification, the Times said. The Bush > administration is considering its own order allowing the documents > to once again be kept from public view, it reported. Marburger said > Sunday he did not know about any such move. > > ........ > > I found http://www.oie.int/eng/normes/mcode/A_00044.htm to have enough > info to culture and sporulate, though you'd have to look elsewhere for > freeze drying and milling tech. From tcmay at got.net Mon Jan 14 12:54:51 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:54:51 -0800 Subject: True Names reviewed on /. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 11:08 AM, Trei, Peter wrote: > http://slashdot.org/books/01/12/27/1845203.shtml > > 'michael' has reviewed "True Names and The > Opening of the Cyberspace Frontier" over on > slashdot. I won't discuss the review or the book > in detail other than to say that the book should > be considered Required Reading, and the review > is also good. > > michael has this to say about our Resident > Author: > > "Timothy May, who is perhaps best > known for his ranting posts about crypto anarchy, > has a lengthy and astonishingly well-written essay > titled "True Nyms and Crypto Anarchy". The > essay reads as if an editor with a firm hand > extracted most of May's characteristic wild-eyed > prose and yet kept the insightful ideas behind it - if > only all of his writing was like this essay. Typical of Slash Dot carelessness. I wrote that essay several years ago and it is essentially unchanged from what I wrote then. The words are mine. None of them are the words of the editor except in terms of light copyediting. Jim Frenkel, the editor, made a few changes, but they are hard to find. The changes involve deleting a few phrases he thought could be pared down. The writing, the organization, the phrasing, etc. is all mine. Dig up versions I posted several years ago if you don't believe me. (Due to his sending me repeated messages to "tcmay at got.com" instead of to "got.net," he only reached me this last go-round just days before the final submission to the printer. I made a few typo and vocabulary changes in the day or two I had and submitted the changes.) Sure, there's a difference between the writing style in my published articles (this one, the Imagina piece reprinted in Peter Ludlow's "Crypto Anarchy" collection, etc.) and in things I write for the Cypherpunks list. "Duh!" > It's a > great introduction to what May means by "crypto > anarchy". May is one of the most optimistic writers > in the book, and he, as well as the other writers, > believe that we are at a fork: either we'll move > toward a surveillance state, or toward what May > calls an anarcho-capitalist state, but the middle > ground is unstable - we'll end up at one extreme or > the other. May believes we're already firmly on > the road toward anarcho-crypto-utopia." I appreciate the reviewer thinking it's a good introduction and overview. I spent a fair amount of time organizing the ideas and trying to at least touch on most of the important ideas and applications. And to tie it in to "True Names," especially the "colonization of cyberspace" (or cypherspace) aspect. Namely, the role crypto and robust protocols will play in "holding the walls up" (in Snow Crash Multiverses, Habitats, and True Names immersive VRs) and in building digital economies in cyberspace. Crypto is about a helluva lot more than just PGP and RSA...it's about building the I-beams and sheetrock that will allow robust structures to be built, it's about the railroad lines and power lines that will connect the structures, and it's about creating Galt's Gulch in cyberspace, where it belongs. This is the "vision" that is what Cypherpunks is/was/should be really about. The low-tech jive about mere things like "e-mail privacy" was fairly banal ten years ago and is even more so today. Our physical Cypherpunks gathering on Saturday was not so great. Several reasons. But it shows the need to get back to a different focus. For example... The evening of the CP meeting was a huge and crowded party at Brad Templeton's house (Brad was the rec.humor.funny guy, then the founder of Clarinet, now some kind of honcho in EFF.) The Usual Suspect, including founders of companies and science fiction authors, lots of Apple and Sun employees, etc. Also the core bunch of E (the capability language, see www.erights.org) folks. And Eric Drexler, the nanotech guy. I had a fascinating chat with Shawn O'Connor, who doesn't choose to post to the CP list (I forget why not). The chat helped to crystallize some ideas I have; maybe I'll write them up soon. (Related to three pictures of crypto and financial instrument ontologies). This quiet, but intense, chat was worth more than any several "business as usual" Cypherpunks meetings. Thanks, Shawn! And consider posting here, please. The connection with the above-reviewed article is that more of this kind of "way out" stuff is in the article, less in articles here. Which is natural, as each article ("rant") here cannot be a self-contained tutorial on things which were laid out nearly 10 years ago. (Not claiming the work was finished then, or now. Just claiming that we must assume a certain amount of foundational things. This is one reason I used to urge folks like Faustine to do some homework and learn what we knew a decade ago, surely 5-6 years ago. Perhaps if she reads the "True Names" collection she'll be better able to contribute.) This is why books are still needed and why Slash Dot readers should think about learning to read them. --Tim May "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around." --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet From mdpopescu at yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 03:15:08 2002 From: mdpopescu at yahoo.com (Marcel Popescu) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:15:08 +0200 Subject: Open source license Message-ID: <08e101c19cec$b9839db0$5600a8c0@mark> http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/369/ 12. AUDIT. During the term of this License and for one (1) year thereafter, upon reasonable notice and during normal business hours, Borland or its outside auditors will have the right to enter your premises and access your records and computer systems to verify that you have paid to Borland the correct amounts owed under this License and determine whether the Products are being used in accordance with the terms of this License. You will provide reasonable assistance to Borland in connection with this provision. You agree to pay the cost of the audit if any underpayments during the period covered by the audit amount to more than five percent (5%) of the fees actually owed for that period. From OFFICE at REDLIGHTEMAIL.COM Mon Jan 14 04:28:37 2002 From: OFFICE at REDLIGHTEMAIL.COM (LesbianSex) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:28:37 +0100 Subject: HEY - ALL YOU LESBIAN LOVERS OUT THERE ! Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 15382 bytes Desc: not available URL: From schear at lvcm.com Mon Jan 14 13:31:23 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:31:23 -0800 Subject: Hiding Sensitive Data Can Be Tough in a Digital Age Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114133018.046735f0@pop3.lvcm.com> SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 13 — The modern task of successfully destroying electronic documents has become daunting enough to give Oliver North nightmares. Mr. North is the Marine officer who became notorious during the Reagan-era Iran-contra scandal after it was discovered he had tried to delete thousands of e-mail messages, only to discover that they had been retained on backup tapes and made available to Congressional investigators. The issue of the destruction and possible retrieval of electronic data burst into the news last week after Arthur Andersen & Company, the auditors for the Enron Corporation (news/quote), said that the accounting firm had destroyed a "significant but undetermined" number of documents relating to Enron and its finances. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/14/technology/ebusiness/14DELE.html From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Mon Jan 14 10:46:39 2002 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:46:39 -0500 Subject: registering Cypherpunks movement ... Message-ID: > Anonymous wrote: > > Not a joke. > > http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=corp&group=34001-350 > 00&file=35000-35007 > > "35001. This title is enacted in the exercise of the police power of > this State for the protection of the public peace and safety by > requiring the registration of subversive organizations which are > conceived and exist for the purpose of undermining and eventually > destroying the democratic form of government in this State and in the > United States." > Two points: Point one: This is ancient history - it's part of the "Subversive Organization Registration Law" which was passed by California in 1941, largely to counter the German-American Bund (an American Nazi front organization in the pre-Pearl Harbor days). See: http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/7/3/Hummel285-317.html for a history of US Government repression during WW2. This is not to say that it's not still on the books - I'm just pointing out that it's not another post-9/11 piece of snake-oil 'security'. And, yes, I'm aware that WW2 era behaviour is already being cited as justification by Bush & Co. Point two: The cypherpunks mailing list is not an organization. There is no membership list, there are no officers. There are no dues, no organizational hierarchy. There is no agreed set of aims, purposes, or activities. There is no property, and no post office address. The above is relevant when you consider the next section of the code, the reporting requirements: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/corp/35100-35105.html Note that these all have to be sent in, 'subscribed under oath' by all the officers. Who, exactly, would that be? I'll leave the constitutionality of the law to others, but think its highly suspect. Peter Trei ============================================================================ ================ This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any third party or use the contents, attachments or information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. Thank You. ============================================================================ ================ From bill.stewart at pobox.com Mon Jan 14 13:56:27 2002 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:56:27 -0800 Subject: registering Cypherpunks movement ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20020114134852.0339a180@idiom.com> At 01:46 PM 01/14/2002 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: >[interesting material about this being originally >written to harass the German-American Bund. >Point two: >The cypherpunks mailing list is not an organization. There is no >membership list, there are no officers. There are no dues, no >organizational hierarchy. There is no agreed set of aims, purposes, >or activities. There is no property, and no post office address. Anybody who's come to the Bay Area Cypherpunks Meetings, which DDT and I send out announcements for, can also validate that "organization" is a rather strong term for them :-) >The above is relevant when you consider the next section of the >code, the reporting requirements: > >http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/corp/35100-35105.html > >Note that these all have to be sent in, 'subscribed under oath' >by all the officers. Who, exactly, would that be? We don't have any officers - so the report becomes the null set. And some of us belong to religions that forbid making oaths, while the oaths you'd get from other non-officers are more like " I'm not filling out this form" >I'll leave the constitutionality of the law to others, but think its >highly suspect. However, for entertainment, somebody might want to check with the California Secretary of State to look at the registry of subversive organizations, which the last section of the law says is public record and open to inspection. From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Mon Jan 14 11:08:57 2002 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:08:57 -0500 Subject: True Names reviewed on /. Message-ID: http://slashdot.org/books/01/12/27/1845203.shtml 'michael' has reviewed "True Names and The Opening of the Cyberspace Frontier" over on slashdot. I won't discuss the review or the book in detail other than to say that the book should be considered Required Reading, and the review is also good. michael has this to say about our Resident Author: "Timothy May, who is perhaps best known for his ranting posts about crypto anarchy, has a lengthy and astonishingly well-written essay titled "True Nyms and Crypto Anarchy". The essay reads as if an editor with a firm hand extracted most of May's characteristic wild-eyed prose and yet kept the insightful ideas behind it - if only all of his writing was like this essay. It's a great introduction to what May means by "crypto anarchy". May is one of the most optimistic writers in the book, and he, as well as the other writers, believe that we are at a fork: either we'll move toward a surveillance state, or toward what May calls an anarcho-capitalist state, but the middle ground is unstable - we'll end up at one extreme or the other. May believes we're already firmly on the road toward anarcho-crypto-utopia." Peter Trei ============================================================================ ================ This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any third party or use the contents, attachments or information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. Thank You. ============================================================================ ================ From frissell at panix.com Mon Jan 14 11:49:53 2002 From: frissell at panix.com (Duncan Frissell) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:49:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention In-Reply-To: <20020114171244.R284-100000@westbury.dixons.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Jim Dixon wrote: > Conventionally, in order to be a prisoner of war you have to be a > soldier. To be considered a soldier, you have to be in uniform > and you have to be part of an organized military force, meaning > that you have a rank and, unless you are the commander in chief, you > have a superior to report to. This is an essential requirement, > because PoWs are supposed to be handled through their own chain of > command. In addition, in order to be covered by the parts of the Geneva Convention dealing with POWs, you have to be soldiering for a signatory state. Afghanistan signed the Covention a few decades ago but I don't know if the Taliban would be covered. > In the second world war, people out of uniform but carrying guns > were often just shot out of hand. If taken prisoner, they weren't > treated as prisoners of war but as spies, bandits, or terrorists. > Some of us remember the chief of police in Saigon dealing out summary > justice during the Tet offensive on this basis: the VC wasn't in > uniform, so he just shot him, right in front of all of those > cameramen. > > Those fighting on behalf of the Taleban appear to be an unorganized > militia - no uniforms, no ranks, no saluting, just guns and lots of > spirit. You can't make them PoWs because they don't recognize any > chain of command. The reverse of this BTW is that civilians defending their homes against "unlawful combatants" are in the best position. They aren't bound by the Geneva Convention either and can use "expanding rifle ammo" (dum-dums) and other goodies. If civilians are defending against irregulars (say Al Quida troops on the streets of New York) they don't have to accept surrender offers and can be pretty much as nasty as they want. DCF ---- War was invented to restore to men in agrigultural societies the legitimate excuse to get away from home that hunting had provided in hunter-gatherer societies. From frissell at panix.com Mon Jan 14 12:00:46 2002 From: frissell at panix.com (Duncan Frissell) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:00:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: registering Cypherpunks movement ... In-Reply-To: <9BAXTFOV37270.0328125@anonymous.poster> Message-ID: On 14 Jan 2002, Anonymous wrote: > Not a joke. Also not news. > http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=corp&group=34001-35000&file=35000-35007 > > "35001. This title is enacted in the exercise of the police power of > this State for the protection of the public peace and safety by > requiring the registration of subversive organizations which are > conceived and exist for the purpose of undermining and eventually > destroying the democratic form of government in this State and in the > United States." Most of the states have had variations on Criminal Anarchy statutes for years. They claim to regulate or punish Anarchy. They are mostly dead letter law after various decisions by the Supremes. Like Bill O'Reilly vs. NAMBLA such statutes are based on the (currently) mistaken belief that it is illegal (in the US) to advocate illegal activity. DCF ---- "A Beautiful Mind" -- Economists are suddenly sexy. 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The National Authority for Investigation and Prosecution of Economic and Environmental Crime in Norway (OKOKRIM) indicted Johansen on January 9th for violating Norwegian criminal code section 145(2), which prohibits the opening of a closed document in a way that gains access to its contents, or breaking into a locked repository. The law also prohibits the breaking of a protective device in a way that unlawfully obtains access to the data. If Johansen is found to have committed the felony for the purpose of unlawful gain, he could serve up to two years in prison. "The way we understand it, the data is the content of the DVD, what you are breaking is the encryption and what you are getting access to is the data on the disk," said Halvor Manshaus of the Oslo law firm Schjodt, which is representing Johansen. Manshaus says the law has previously been used to prosecute those who broke into bank or phone company records. But he says this is the first time that the law has been used to prosecute someone who broke an encryption system. The case is expected to go to trial before summer. "There was a Norwegian Supreme Court ruling where this regulation has beenapplied before, but that was a case where he was accessing or breaking into a system that you are not legally entitled to access," said Manshaus. "The distinction here is that he is charged with breaking a code and accessing the data that he is allowed to access. He owned the DVD disk." The indictment comes more than two years after the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) contacted OKOKRIM prosecutors and requested a criminal investigation of Johansen and his father, Per, who owned the PC on which Johansen posted DeCSS. Indictment follows US lawsuits Manshaus says the MPAA also asked OKOKRIM to charge both father and son with contributory copyright infringement. OKOKRIM did not pursue this charge against Jon Johansen, and Per Johansen has not been charged under either complaint. Neither father, nor son is accused of breaking any U.S. laws. Johansen, who just turned 18, was not available for comment. The movie industry fears that the removal of the DVD encryption could spark unauthorized copying of DVD movies. But Johansen has maintained that DeCSS was intended not to make copies, but rather to create DVD playback software for computers running the Linux operating system. Johansen is co-founder of a group called MoRE (Masters of Reverse Engineering). Two members of the group, which Johansen knew only by their screen names, helped him develop DeCSS in 1999. The group found that the Windows-based DVD player XingDVD from Xing Technology Corp. had not hidden its decryption key. MoRE used this decryption key to make DeCSS. Manshaus says Johansen never used the utility to make copies of DVDs. Jan Bing, a Norwegian legal expert who testified for the EFF in a related California civil case, concluded in a legal analysis that, "there is no legal precedent or court decision in Norway to support a claim that reverse engineering is a violation of Norwegian criminal law." He added that 145(2) could, in theory, forbid the "breaking of a protective device," to gain access to information on a disk, but he noted that there is no supporting Norwegian precedent. A spokesmen for the MPAA was not immediately available for comment on the indictment. Robin Gross, a staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) that has supported Johansen said the motion picture industry has pushed Norwegian prosecutors to indict the young programmer. "I think they just finally succumbed to Hollywood pressure," said Gross. "The Norwegian government finally had to bow to the demands of Hollywood to prosecute Jon." In January, 2000, police entered Johansen's home and seized two personal computers, a mobile phone, and several computer disks. Johansen was taken to a police station and questioned for nearly seven hours and released. Gross says the current action against Johansen stems from two lawsuits filed in the U.S. The first lawsuit, was brought in 1999 by the DVD Copyright Control Association (DVD CCA) in California Superior Court, against Andrew Bunner and others. The suit claimed that Web publishers who posted or linked to DeCSS unlawfully misappropriated trade secrets. The suit demanded that the publishers delete the information. While he was not named in the suit, Jon Johansen decided to remove his link to DeCSS from his web site. On November 1, 2001, the California Court of Appeals reversed the court's preliminary injunction and confirmed that the publication of DeCSS is protected by the First Amendment. Bunner and his legal team have asked the court to recognize that because DeCSS is widely available on the Internet, it cannot be considered a trade secret. The second case involved a federal suit in New York court against 2600 Magazine which posted the DeCSS code on its Web site. The major movie studios sued 2600 Magazine, claiming that the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) bans publication of the program. On November 30, 2001, the Second Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court decision banning the magazine from publishing DeCSS. The court agreed that computer programs are protected expression. But it found that when DeCSS is published on the Internet, the fact that it could be misused justified a complete ban on the program. Despite the lawsuits, Gross says that Johansen, who now works for a software company, is respected in Norway. She notes that he was awarded Norway's Karoline Prize given each year to a Norwegian student who receives top grades and makes a contribution to society. Gross says the EFF plans to coordinate protests and a letter-writing campaign similar to that which lobbied for the release of Russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov. Sklyarov was jailed and later released for distributing software that could be used to circumvent access restrictions on Adobe's e-book format. "We want to get the Norwegian public to come together and put some political pressure on the prosecutors to drop the charges against Johansen," said Gross. © 2001 SecurityFocus.com All rights reserved. From schear at lvcm.com Mon Jan 14 17:25:33 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:25:33 -0800 Subject: Just say no Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114172501.049a1330@pop3.lvcm.com> Freedom Fighters of the Digital World At a time when many of us are gung-ho about sacrificing personal freedoms to combat terror, the Electric Frontier Foundation just wants to say no. http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-000003207jan13.story From frissell at panix.com Mon Jan 14 14:28:20 2002 From: frissell at panix.com (Duncan Frissell) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:28:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: True Names reviewed on /. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Tim May wrote: > > This is why books are still needed and why Slash Dot readers should > think about learning to read them. > Tim, It's not so much books qua books but the habits of mind that book reading inculcates. Most of the necessary information is up on the Universal Library these days but many have a hard time reading or writing long form "material". The discipline of paper books is a useful one to employ. Better even than free weights. Perhaps those in the best postion are those in our birth cohort who are old enough to have learned to read but young enough to have computed. DCF ---- Who learned to read just after the invention of the Top-40 radio format and just before TV reached 90% penetration of US households (i.e. before it was too late). From ravage at ssz.com Mon Jan 14 15:28:51 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:28:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention In-Reply-To: <20020114171244.R284-100000@westbury.dixons.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Jim Dixon wrote: > In the second world war, people out of uniform but carrying guns > were often just shot out of hand. Not generaly by the allies they weren't. > If taken prisoner, they weren't treated as prisoners of war but as spies, > bandits, or terrorists. Again, not applicable in general to the Allies. > Some of us remember the chief of police in Saigon dealing out summary > justice during the Tet offensive on this basis: the VC wasn't in > uniform, so he just shot him, right in front of all of those > cameramen. And look at what it cost him...this is PERFECT example of why NOT to treat these folks as anything other than strict POW's. > Those fighting on behalf of the Taleban appear to be an unorganized > militia - no uniforms, no ranks, no saluting, just guns and lots of > spirit. You can't make them PoWs because they don't recognize any > chain of command. Actually you can. Simply because they don't run their army according to your rules doesn't exclude you from civilized behaviour. Thinking like this is exactly what has those folks pissed off to begin with. "Freedom for me, not for thee" -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jdd at dixons.org Mon Jan 14 09:31:38 2002 From: jdd at dixons.org (Jim Dixon) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:31:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention In-Reply-To: <20020113233143.A28741@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <20020114171244.R284-100000@westbury.dixons.org> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Declan McCullagh wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 01:13:41AM +0800, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > > I'll say it again - these are not prisoners of war! > > This is the heart of the matter. If the detainees are determined > to be POWs, that triggers a certain level of legal protection. > So far, it seems as though the U.S. is saying they are not but > we'll extend them some of the benefits because we're nice guys. Conventionally, in order to be a prisoner of war you have to be a soldier. To be considered a soldier, you have to be in uniform and you have to be part of an organized military force, meaning that you have a rank and, unless you are the commander in chief, you have a superior to report to. This is an essential requirement, because PoWs are supposed to be handled through their own chain of command. In the second world war, people out of uniform but carrying guns were often just shot out of hand. If taken prisoner, they weren't treated as prisoners of war but as spies, bandits, or terrorists. Some of us remember the chief of police in Saigon dealing out summary justice during the Tet offensive on this basis: the VC wasn't in uniform, so he just shot him, right in front of all of those cameramen. Those fighting on behalf of the Taleban appear to be an unorganized militia - no uniforms, no ranks, no saluting, just guns and lots of spirit. You can't make them PoWs because they don't recognize any chain of command. -- Jim Dixon jdd at dixons.org tel +44 117 982 0786 mobile +44 797 373 7881 From alan at clueserver.org Mon Jan 14 17:32:40 2002 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:32:40 -0800 Subject: What is Cheney doing? 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I haven't had a death threat in months. -Bill 777 --- 777 777 --- 777 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin From faustine. at hushmail.com Mon Jan 14 19:01:13 2002 From: faustine. at hushmail.com (faustine. at hushmail.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:01:13 -0800 Subject: True Names reviewed on /. Message-ID: <200201150301.g0F31DU64827@mailserver2a.hushmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 2336 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jei at cc.hut.fi Mon Jan 14 09:01:33 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:01:33 +0200 (EET) Subject: FW: US doesn't have the right to decide PoW status Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: International Justice Watch Discussion List [mailto:JUSTWATCH-L at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Tomasevich Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:19 AM To: JUSTWATCH-L at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: US doesn't have the right to decide PoW status This article adds to the discussion that the Taliban are PoWs. Once in front of a court or tribunal, the Pentagon might argue that the Taliban were not the government of Afghanistan and that their armed forces were not the armed forces of a party to the convention. The problem here is that the convention is widely regarded as an accurate statement of customary international law, unwritten rules binding on all. Even if the Taliban were not formally a party to the convention, both they and the US would still have to comply. Daniel (article not for cross posting) ------------------------------------------------------------- The Guardian Monday January 14, 2002 Comment US doesn't have the right to decide who is or isn't a PoW Ignore the Geneva convention and we put our own citizens in peril Michael Byers Would you want your life to be in the hands of US secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld? Hundreds of captured Taliban and al-Qaida fighters don't have a choice. Chained, manacled, hooded, even sedated, their beards shorn off against their will, they are being flown around the world to Guantanamo Bay, a century-old military outpost seized during the Spanish-American war and subsequently leased from Cuba by the US. There, they are being kept in tiny chain-link outdoor cages, without mosquito repellent, where (their captors assure us) they are likely to be rained upon. Since Guantanamo Bay is technically foreign territory, the detainees have no rights under the US constitution and cannot appeal to US federal courts. Any rights they might have under international law have been firmly denied. According to Rumsfeld, the detainees "will be handled not as prisoners of war, because they are not, but as unlawful combatants". This unilateral determination of the detainees' status is highly convenient, since the 1949 Geneva convention on the treatment of prisoners of war stipulates that PoWs can only be tried by "the same courts according to the same procedure as in the case of members of the armed forces of the detaining power". The Pentagon clearly intends to prosecute at least some of the detainees in special military commissions having looser rules of evidence and a lower burden of proof than regular military or civilian courts. This will help to protect classified information, but also substantially increase the likelihood of convictions. The rules of evidence and procedure for the military commissions will be issued later this month by none other than Donald Rumsfeld. The Geneva convention also makes it clear that it isn't for Rumsfeld to decide whether the detainees are ordinary criminal suspects rather than PoWs. Anyone detained in the course of an armed conflict is presumed to be a PoW until a competent court or tribunal determines otherwise. The record shows that those who negotiated the convention were intent on making it impossible for the determination to be made by any single person. Once in front of a court or tribunal, the Pentagon might argue that the Taliban were not the government of Afghanistan and that their armed forces were not the armed forces of a party to the convention. The problem here is that the convention is widely regarded as an accurate statement of customary international law, unwritten rules binding on all. Even if the Taliban were not formally a party to the convention, both they and the US would still have to comply. The Pentagon might also argue that al-Qaida members were not part of the Taliban's regular armed forces. Traditionally, irregulars could only benefit from PoW status if they wore identifiable insignia, which al-Qaida members seem not to have done. But the removal of the Taliban regime was justified on the basis that al-Qaida and the Taliban were inextricably linked, a justification that weakens the claim that the former are irregulars. Moreover, the convention has to be interpreted in the context of modern international conflicts, which share many of the aspects of civil wars and tend not to involve professional soldiers on both sides. Since the convention is designed to protect persons, not states, the guiding principle has to be the furtherance of that protection. This principle is manifest in the presumption that every detainee is a PoW until a competent court or tribunal determines otherwise. This too is the position of the International Committee of the Red Cross, which plays a supervisory role over the convention. The Red Cross and Amnesty International have both expressed concerns over the treatment of the detainees. The authorities at Guantanamo Bay have prohibited journalists from filming the arrival of the detainees on the basis that the convention stipulates PoWs "must at all times be protected against insults and public curiosity". The hypocrisy undermines the position on PoW status: you can't have your cake and eat it. Even if the detainees were not PoWs, they remain human beings with human rights. Hooding, even temporarily, constitutes a violation of the 1984 convention against torture and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. Apart from causing unnecessary mental anguish, it prevents a detainee from identifying anyone causing them harm. Forcefully shaving off their beards constitutes a violation of the right to human dignity under the 1966 international covenant on civil and political rights. Forcefully sedating even one detainee for non-medical reasons violates international law. Although strict security arrangements are important in dealing with potentially dangerous individuals, none of these measures are necessary to achieving that goal. If human rights are worth anything, they have to apply when governments are most tempted to violate them. There are many reasons why these and other violations are unacceptable. The rights of the detainees are our rights as well. Yet international law can be modified as a result of state behaviour. If we stand by while the rights of the detainees are undermined, we, as individuals, could lose. British and American soldiers and aid workers operate around the world in conflict zones dominated by quasi-irregular forces. The violations in Guantanamo Bay will undermine the ability of our governments to ensure adequate treatment the next time our fellow citizens are captured and held. Respecting the presumption of PoW status and upholding the human rights of detainees today will help to protect our people in future. The US has occupied much of the moral high ground since September 11, and benefited enormously from so doing. Widespread sympathy for the US has made it much easier to freeze financial assets and secure the detention of suspects overseas, as well as secure intelligence sharing and military support. The sympathy has also bolstered efforts to win the hearts and minds of ordinary people in the Middle East, south Asia and elsewhere. That might just have prevented further terrorist attacks. Ignoring even some of the rights of those detained in Guantanamo Bay squanders this intangible but invaluable asset, in return for nothing but the fleeting satisfaction of early revenge. The detainees should be accorded full treatment as PoWs and, if not released in due course, tried before regular military or civilian courts - or even better, an ad hoc international tribunal. As the world watches, vengeance is ours. But so, too, are civilised standards of treatment and justice. · Michael Byers teaches international law at Duke University, North Carolina. He is currently a visiting fellow at Keble College, Oxford. byers at law.duke.edu Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2002 ------------------------ Yahoo! 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At that time, they will take on the sensitive issue of who is allowed to keep guns in their homes. "We haven't decided to go house to house yet," General Khan said, "but we are studying how to do it." Officials said they hoped to carry out the program across the country. and: That compares with 100 reported cases of all serious crimes: robbery, murder, drug smuggling and the like in the last two months. "This is not a normal situation," Mr. Karim said. "When there are no guns in the hands of people, the number of robberies will decrease. Right now, it's a very difficult situation to control." **Huh?*** http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/14/international/asia/14AFGH.html -- Love and peace, owlswan "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed? . . . We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts that you're up against - and then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. . . . . There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of lawbreakers - and then you cash in on the guilt. Now that's the system, . . . that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." From Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand. Published by Penguin Boo January 14, 2002 INTERNATIONAL Kabul Takes Steps Toward Disarming Afghan Population By MARK LANDLER ABUL, Afghanistan, Jan. 13 - Starting Monday, people here whose jobs require them to carry guns will also have to carry government identification cards, the authorities said today. It is part of an ambitious plan by Afghanistan's interim rulers to end the ubiquity of weapons in this heavily armed society. Disarming Afghanistan's 24 million people is critical to restoring order in the country, according to Gen. Bismullah Khan, a Northern Alliance commander who oversees security in Kabul and its surrounding province. General Khan said that crime had spiked in Kabul in the chaotic aftermath of the Taliban rule, as Northern Alliance soldiers, militia members, irregular troops, security guards and any number of other people with guns roam this city. Traumatized by two decades of war and repression, the people of Kabul now face the more pedestrian, but equally lethal, dangers of banditry and car-jacking as well as the threat of death by violence. Once the ID cards are issued, the authorities plan to require civilians to register their weapons with the police. At that time, they will take on the sensitive issue of who is allowed to keep guns in their homes. "We haven't decided to go house to house yet," General Khan said, "but we are studying how to do it." Officials said they hoped to carry out the program across the country. Two men were arrested and confessed to having killed Walid Samadi. His body was dumped in a well in a remote part of the Shamali Valley, north of here. The soldiers said they had ordered him out of the car and shot him in the face, chest and back as he pleaded for his life. It is a tragic but hardly unusual story. From taxi drivers to school workers, everyone here seems to know a recent crime victim. "Whenever there is a knock at the door or a small noise outside, I jump," said Naima Samadi, as she huddled in her unheated home, cradling a photo of her slain son. "I am afraid that my other sons will be killed." The lawlessness extends beyond the capital. In southern Afghanistan, where the interim government has little control and the United States continues to bomb suspected hide- outs of Taliban fighters and Al Qaeda terrorists, the lack of security is hampering relief efforts. The United Nations has not been able to distribute food in Kandahar, the former stronghold of the Taliban, because of fears that armed bandits will attack its convoys and workers. "Security continues to be a significant obstacle to reaching people," said Jordan Dey, a spokesman for the World Food Program. Last week, Afghanistan's interim government took its first step to combat the lawlessness. It ordered between 300 and 400 Northern Alliance troops, who had been loitering in Kabul since the Taliban fled their advance on Nov. 9, to leave the city. Today, the interior minister, Yunus Qanooni, said the bulk of the soldiers had moved to barracks outside Kabul. Those still here are waiting for quarters to be readied. While Kabul is peaceful enough by day, there has been a surge in nighttime robberies by people wearing uniforms, some of whom claim to be looking for weapons or fugitive Taliban members. Abdul Karim, director of research for the Kabul Police, said there had been 15 such robberies during one week, from Dec. 30 to Jan. 6. That compares with 100 reported cases of all serious crimes: robbery, murder, drug smuggling and the like in the last two months. "This is not a normal situation," Mr. Karim said. "When there are no guns in the hands of people, the number of robberies will decrease. Right now, it's a very difficult situation to control." The police are also hopelessly outgunned. Mr. Karim said there were only 100 trained police officers in Kabul, constituting 30 percent of the force. The other 70 percent, some of them former soldiers, were hired off the street to help with assignments. "Our problem is that we lack the basic elements of a police department," Mr. Qanooni said. "It was completely destroyed by the Taliban. We must rebuild it from zero." While the government creates a new police force, the military is starting to confiscate weapons from troops no longer on active duty. Gen. Qalandar Big, who runs the main ammunition depot here, said he had collected 2,000 guns. General Big showed off a small collection of machine guns and rocket-propelled grenade launchers that he said came from Northern Alliance troops. But he became evasive when asked where the 2,000 weapons were, saying they had not yet been delivered to him. "We have not faced resistance," General Big said. "Most people in Afghanistan are in favor of turning in their weapons." Still, he noted that when the Taliban abandoned Kabul, they left very few weapons behind. Many of those people remain at large, in the rugged hills of eastern Afghanistan near the Pakistan border. They constitute another armed and dangerous group. Confiscating weapons from civilians poses its own difficulties. When the Taliban collected guns from families, for example, people often turned in one, while keeping a spare. Mr. Qanooni said the government would rather entice than compel people to surrender their weapons. The most basic solution, he said, would be to provide economic opportunities so that people no longer believed that they needed a gun to survive. "We need to give jobs to the mujahedeen," he said. Failing that, Mr. Qanooni said the government could offer to buy guns from their owners. "If we spent $200 million, we could buy all of them," he said. "Unfortunately, we do not have it." Perhaps the thorniest challenge is to break the cycle of violence in Afghanistan. The murder of Walid Samadi was the second violent death in his family; his eldest brother Farid, an engineering student, was killed by a shell during the Afghan civil war in 1994. Asked whether he wanted to carry a gun, Walid's younger brother, Habib, shook his head vigorously. "We don't like to carry weapons," he said. "We hate weapons." After looking at his grief-stricken mother, he added, "Of course it would be good for the security of our family." Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company | Privacy Information ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From jei at alpha.hut.fi Mon Jan 14 09:35:58 2002 From: jei at alpha.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:35:58 +0200 (EET) Subject: James Bovard On Fighting Terrorism, Saving Tyrants Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:17:53 -0500 From: Matthew Gaylor To: Matthew Gaylor Subject: James Bovard On Fighting Terrorism, Saving Tyrants From jei at cc.hut.fi Mon Jan 14 09:48:21 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:48:21 +0200 (EET) Subject: Drugs Squad Fumes As Bookshop Shields Reader Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:13:01 -0500 From: Matthew Gaylor To: Matthew Gaylor Subject: Drugs Squad Fumes As Bookshop Shields Reader Little victories amid a great disaster. The success of drug policy reform in the U.S. is like sailing up the English Cannel against a springs tide: making 6 knots over the water and yet seeing the land slip irrevocably toward the fore. Pubdate: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 Source: Observer, The (UK) Copyright: 2002 The Observer Contact: letters at observer.co.uk Website: http://www.observer.co.uk/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/315 Author: Lawrence Donegan, in San Francisco DRUGS SQUAD FUMES AS BOOKSHOP SHIELDS READER Prize-Winning US Writers Queue Up To Defend Privacy Of Customer Who Bought Uncle Fester's Illicit Manual It never won a Pulitzer or appeared on the New York Times bestseller lists but a 400-page book about the manufacture of illicit drugs by an author known as Uncle Fester is at the centre of a legal battle over the privacy of the US book-buying public. In what has been described as a landmark case for the US book industry, the Tattered Cover bookshop in Denver, Colorado, has spent 18 months resisting the attempts of both police and courts to obtain the identity of a customer who purchased Uncle Fester's opus, Advanced Techniques of Clandestine Drug Laboratories . Many of the country's most celebrated authors, publishers and booksellers are supporting the shop, which has argued that handing over the information would be a serious attack on free speech. 'There is a right to privacy in this country and that includes the right to read what we like without government interference,' says award-winning novelist Michael Chabon. 'If the police get what they are after in this case, what is to stop them demanding to know all sorts of things - like who has been reading books about any subject the authorities deem to be 'dangerous', such as religious beliefs that don't fit into the so-called mainstream.' Chabon, who won the Pulitzer last year for his novel The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, is one of several leading writers, including David Eggers, Dorothy Allison and the children's book author Daniel Handler, who have giving financial support to the Tattered Cover's legal defence fund, along with the American Booksellers' Foundation. 'People shop in bookstores on the understanding that their choices are confidential,' says Chris Finan, president of the ABF's Foundation for Free Expression. 'There are a lot of books about subjects - mental health, sexual dysfunction - that we do not want our wives or husbands to know we've been reading about. If people know the police can get that kind of information they will not shop for those books.' The case centres on a raid by drug enforcement officers at a trailer park near Denver in March last year. The Uncle Fester book and another called Advanced Techniques of Clandestine Psychedelic Drug Laboratories were found inside a trailer owned by a man suspected of operating a methamphetamine lab. An envelope discovered in his rubbish bin contained an invoice from the Tattered Cover. The following day four plainclothes officers arrived at the shop with a search warrant, demanding to know if the books were bought there and, if so, by whom. The shop's owner, Joyce Meskis, refused to provide the information. 'It is not our job to do the police's work for them,' she said. Denver police then asked that it enforce the subpoena. At a subsequent hearing, lawyers for the bookshop argued the police had failed to interview other witnesses who could have helped convict the suspect. Details of a customer's purchasing record were not sufficiently important to the criminal case to justify the 'chilling effect' that releasing such information would have on the right to free speech enshrined in the First Amendment, they said. However, the court upheld the police request - a decision which has been challenged by the shop's owners in the State's Supreme Court. A ruling on the appeal is expected in the next few weeks. The case has echoes of that brought by Kenneth Starr against two bookshops in Washington DC during his investigation into the Monica Lewinsky 'scandal'. When it emerged that Lewinsky - who was said to have given President Clinton several books as presents - was a regular customer at the shops, Starr demanded to see her purchase records. The shops' owners resisted his request, but the case never reached court after Lewinsky struck a deal with the former Independent Counsel. Finan said yesterday there was a growing problem with authorities seeking private information from bookshops. 'I'm afraid this may be a bad idea whose time has come, and the chilling effect on publishing could be very serious indeed. In the Lewinsky case, a false rumour went around that the bookshops were going to comply with Starr's request. The effect of that was they saw a big fall-off in business. People trust bookstores to protect them. If they don't have that trust, they will not shop there.' The Tattered Cover, spread over four floors in downtown Denver, is a required stop on the book tour schedule for every bestselling author and has a reputation for stocking radical, independently published books that have little chance of finding shelf space in chain stores such as Borders and Barnes and Noble. Meskis said she had been heartened by the support she and her staff had received from writers, publishers and the public. More than 400 people turned up at a fund-raising event at a San Francisco bookshop last night. 'Like us, they realise that everyone in society has to do what they can to uphold the rule of law but that we also have an obligation to the community to protect the constitution. When you have one responsibility bumping up against another, then that's when the courts should decide.' __________________________________________________________________________ Distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. --- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From jei at cc.hut.fi Mon Jan 14 09:54:35 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:54:35 +0200 (EET) Subject: Homeland Security, Homeland Profits By Wayne Madsen Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:03:52 -0500 From: Matthew Gaylor To: Matthew Gaylor Subject: Homeland Security, Homeland Profits By Wayne Madsen Homeland Security, Homeland Profits By Wayne Madsen Special to CorpWatch December 21, 2001 WASHINGTON, DC -- Recent moves to beef up intelligence gathering in the wake of the September 11th terrorist attacks have civil libertarians concerned that law enforcement agencies will entangle many law abiding citizens and social justice groups in their surveillance missions. Intelligence networks are setting their sights on the Internet, which up to now has had no clear privacy guidelines. Under the provisions of the inaptly named anti-terrorism act, "USA-PATRIOT," the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), National Security Agency (NSA), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and a number of other smaller law enforcement agencies are looking for ways to monitor the Internet and mine useful intelligence from it. And new technology makes it easier than ever to spy on the Internet. Although law enforcement and intelligence agencies claim they are merely looking for information to counter future acts of terrorism, the definition of "terrorism" is being expanded to cover non-violent groups that have traditionally used the Internet to marshal resistance to corporate-inspired globalization. Politicians are already painting dissent as "unpatriotic" and therefore somehow linked to terrorism. Meanwhile, a phalanx of software companies, consultants, and defense contractors stand to reap billions of dollars over the next few years by selling surveillance and information-gathering systems to government agencies and the private sector. Technology Already in the Hands of Law Enforcement Law enforcement agencies like the FBI already have at their disposal a massive information sharing network through which federal, state, local, and foreign police forces can exchange information on groups felt to pose a threat. The system, RISSNET, or Regional Information Sharing System Network, which existed before the September 11th attacks, recently got a boost when Congress authorized additional money for it in the USA PATRIOT Act. RISSNET is a secure intranet that connects 5,700 law enforcement agencies in all 50 states, as well as agencies in Ontario and Quebec, the District of Columbia, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and Australia. According to sources close to the Washington Metropolitan Police, data on targeted local groups such as the Alliance for Global Justice, the anti-World Bank/International Monetary Fund activist organization, has been shared with other jurisdictions through RISSNET. RISSNET has also been used to coordinate the monitoring of the activities of anti-globalization protestors in Seattle, Quebec City, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Washington DC and Genoa. For example, when the FBI seized network server logs from Independent Media Center (IMC) in Seattle during the April 2001 anti-free trade protests in Quebec City, RISSNET was used to coordinate activities across jurisdictional boundaries. The IMC, founded during the 1999 WTO protests, allows activists and independent journalists to post directly to its site. State and metropolitan police intelligence units also monitor the web sites of activist organizations in their jurisdictions. All RISS intelligence is archived by an Orwellian-sounding entity called MAGLOCLEN or "Middle Atlantic-Great Lakes Organized Crime Law Enforcement Network." There are other regional RISS intelligence centers around the country with equally mysterious acronyms. MAGLOCLEN, a nerve center headquartered in Newtown, Pennsylvania, distributes political intelligence to all police departments hooked up to RISSNET. MAGLOCLEN allows police investigators to link various activist groups and members through the Link Association Analysis sub-system, a relational data base that identifies the "friends and families" of groups and individuals. The Telephone Record Analysis sub-system can call up records of phone calls of targeted groups and individuals. A suspect group's banking and other commercial data can be monitored by the Financial Analysis sub-system. And through a system that would have been the envy of J. Edgar Hoover, police and federal agents can also call up profiles that provide specific information on the composition of organizations, including their membership lists. The Justice Department has instituted a project called RISSNET II, which directly links the individual databases contained within the various RISS centers. The FBI also runs its own intranet called Law Enforcement On-line or "LEO," which allows it to communicate intelligence with select other law enforcement agencies. In the aftermath of September 11th , the FBI is under pressure to open up LEO to more police agencies so they can have access to more real-time intelligence. If Attorney General John Ashcroft lifts restrictions placed on the FBI's collection of political intelligence, undoubtedly information on the First Amendment activities of American citizens will wind up in the Bureau's computer databases. "There has been no indication that the FBI needs expanded spying powers," says Center for Constitutional Rights attorney Michael Ratner. "We should learn from history; spying on dissent is not only unlawful but it is abusive." This kind of surveillance is not new. In the 1960s and 70s, the FBI's Counter Intelligence Program, known as COINTELPRO, was used to gather personal details on the lives and habits of a wide array of activists ranging from public figures like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., actress Jane Fonda and noted pediatrician Benjamin Spock, to members of local anti-war and civil rights groups. This information was often used to disrupt lawful organizing and protest activities. A modern-day FBI list might include any group deemed "terrorist" by any law enforcement agencies, the military, or criminal prosecutors. That could subject organizations as varied -- and unconnected to terrorism -- as Earth First, Greenpeace, the American Indian Movement, the Zapatista National Liberation Front, ACT UP, and their supporters to a wide array of high-tech surveillance and eavesdropping tools. Chief among spy agency tools is an e-mail sniffing program known as Carnivore. Changes brought about by USA-PATRIOT allow federal law enforcement officials to petition a secretive federal court called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for warrants to tap phones, read e-mail, or break and enter into homes or offices to conduct searches and plant bugging devices. These spy activities can be carried out without proof that an organization has links to terrorists or foreign intelligence agencies. To read e-mail the FBI can order an Internet Service Provider to place a special monitoring computer called Carnivore (now renamed Data Collection System 1000) on its network servers. The FBI can then select the e-mail of surveillance targets for capture and storage. Not content with this device, the FBI now seeks to expand its surveillance capability to the entire Internet. Making a Buck off of Government Spying Companies that are positioning themselves to help the government surveill the web came out in force at a recent Homeland Security Conference in Washington. They included Oracle, Microsoft, Information Builders, Choice Point, Man Tech, AMS, and Booz Allen & Hamilton. Government speakers from civilian and military agencies all stressed that they urgently need the technology to store surveillance-derived intelligence and exchange it with other agencies. If these corporations step up to the plate on developing new surveillance, monitoring, and biometric ID systems, they stand to make billions. Companies like Top Layer Networks, Inc. of Westboro, Massachusetts, are developing ways for the FBI to install surveillance systems at a few key Internet hubs which would allow federal agents to remotely flip a switch and pound a few keys to begin monitoring the e-mail or web-based mail of any targeted group or individual. According to chief Top Layer engineer Ken Georgiades, the firm is working with a number of partners to develop new standards for the legal interception of communications at the Internet Service Provider level and at higher gigabit speeds. The higher gigabit intercept equipment would be placed at major Internet backbone hubs in strategic locations like Washington, DC, the San Francisco Bay Area, Chicago, Dallas, and Los Angeles. Georgiades said that the 1994 Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) does not currently extend to the Internet and only applies to telecommunications companies. However, the fact that Top Layer and its unspecified partners are ramping up to deliver CALEA-like wiretapping services for the Internet indicates the FBI sees the power of CALEA growing beyond phone lines to the web. And Georgiades pointed out that foreign governments are under no such constraints and can use Internet snooping equipment under existing current wiretapping laws. David Banisar, Research Fellow at Harvard's Information Infrastructure Project, said such systems "set a dangerous precedent to allow law enforcement and intelligence agencies to run the communications system." He added, "these agencies take an over-inclusive view of who they think are the enemies and its likely that civil and human rights groups will, again, be monitored for no legitimate reason." The large defense and intelligence consulting and engineering firm Booz, Allen & Hamilton has not only developed the FBI's Carnivore capability but it has assisted the bureau in ensuring that all telecommunications companies engineer their systems to ensure they are "wiretap friendly." The companies are required by the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act to ensure the FBI has access to all forms of telecommunications, including cellular calls. What if a target decides to use encryption to protect their e-mail from interception? That is not a problem for the FBI. Booz Allen & Hamilton has helped develop a system code-named Magic Lantern, which permits a virus containing a key logging program to be secretly transmitted to a recipient. After installing itself on the target's computer, any time the target types in a password to decrypt a message, that same password is immediately picked up by Magic Lantern and transmitted to the FBI. Essentially, the FBI has a virtual master key to break any encryption program used by a surveillance target. A companion program to Magic Lantern, code named Cyber Knight, is a relational database system that compares and matches information from e-mail, Internet relay chats, instant messages, and Internet voice communications. Not to be outdone by the FBI, the CIA has also been extremely active in developing software than can dig deep within the Internet to harvest information. The CIA has relied heavily on its wholly-owned and operated proprietary Silicon Valley company, IN-Q-TEL, to fund research and development for Internet snooping software. IN-Q-TEL's President and Chief Executive Officer Gilman Louie is to keynote a January 2002 Las Vegas seminar on the use of emerging intelligence technology to search and analyze the web. He is to be joined by Joan Dempsey, the Deputy Director of the CIA for Intelligence Community Management. IN-Q-TEL's web page describes the aggressive attitude the CIA is taking toward ensuring new technologies come complete with the spy agency's seal of approval, "IN-Q-TEL strives to extend the Agency's access to new IT companies, solutions, and approaches to address their priority problems." Assisting the government in its goals to gather massive amounts of personal information on citizens and non-citizens, is a company that owes its very existence to the CIA. Oracle, Inc. Chairman Larry Ellison has offered to provide to the government free of charge the database software required to establish an interactive national ID card system. Oracle got its start when the CIA gave Ellison a contract in the 1970s to design a system to enable the agency to store and retrieve massive amounts if information in databases. Not coincidentally, the code name of that CIA project was "Oracle." The rush by the government to monitor the Internet has the backing of a group of federal contract research facilities that have pounded out report after report warning about the threat of cyberspace to national security. These "think tanks" include Rand Corporation and Analytical Services Corporation (ANSER). They are assisted in this policy laundering effort by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the K Street rest home for former Pentagon, intelligence, and State Department political appointees. But all the technology in the world will not protect citizens from terrorist attacks, unless the government knows how to use the information effectively. As the government and a few selected companies and think tanks push for new surveillance laws and more monitoring of the Internet and telecommunications in general, the words of Mary Schiavo, the Transportation Department's former Inspector General and outspoken critic of lax airline security, are particularly poignant. Speaking in Washington on December 18, Schiavo pointed out that the "United States already had laws to prevent what happened on September 11th . . . they weren't being enforced." Wayne Madsen is a Washington-based journalist who covers intelligence, national security, and foreign affairs. He is also a Senior Fellow of the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) in Washington, DC and author of "Genocide and Covert Operations in Africa 1993-1999" (Mellen Press). Updated: 12/21/2001 Homeland Security, Homeland Profits By Wayne Madsen CorpWatch PO Box 29344 San Francisco, CA 94129 USA Tel: 415-561-6568 Fax: 415-561-6493 URL: http://www.corpwatch.org Email: corpwatch at corpwatch.org ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From tcmay at got.net Mon Jan 14 20:01:53 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:01:53 -0800 Subject: Unites States, a Rogue terror state, violates Geneva Convention In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9C13CBBC-096C-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 11:49 AM, Duncan Frissell wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Jim Dixon wrote: > >> Conventionally, in order to be a prisoner of war you have to be a >> soldier. To be considered a soldier, you have to be in uniform >> and you have to be part of an organized military force, meaning >> that you have a rank and, unless you are the commander in chief, you >> have a superior to report to. This is an essential requirement, >> because PoWs are supposed to be handled through their own chain of >> command. > > In addition, in order to be covered by the parts of the Geneva > Convention > dealing with POWs, you have to be soldiering for a signatory state. > Afghanistan signed the Covention a few decades ago but I don't know if > the > Taliban would be covered. Why would it not? It was the regime controlling Afghanistan. Sure, it was not the regime that signed the Geneva Accords of Whichever Type, but neither is the Bush Jr. Administration the same as the Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, or Truman Administrations. Nor is the Putin Administration the same as whatever band of brigands ran Russia 50 years ago. And so on. The Taliban Regime was as much in the line of succession as any of hundreds of other regimes. That the U.S. is choosing to ignore the Geneva Accords of Whichever Type is, hopefully, one more nail in their coffin. --Tim May From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 01:02:33 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:02:33 +1100 Subject: Cypherpunk Ban Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114195950.00a6ac90@pop.useoz.com> >>Tim May writes: > As to the space cadet idea that space should be bought in newspapers so > that CJ or Toto or Jimbell or Choate or Vulis or Detweiler or mattd or > any of our other mental cases, knock yourself out. I wouldn't contribute > a microcent. That wasn't the idea. The idea was to push the publication in the State's face, daring them to respond. (D.Popkin) Exactly and the Stranger might do it.They are the alternative/leftist paper there.Tim May is a boring old fart. From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 01:10:30 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:10:30 +1100 Subject: VIVA Agentina LIBRE! Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114200441.00a69090@pop.useoz.com> >>...Think of a combination of Fama/Black, et. al's early 1980's notion of "new" monetary economics coupled with an index of (bearer-held :-)) assets in transit and in wearhouses, along with commodities, plus the usual equity and debt mixture. Pretty much what the fed does now, only the index will be sold, just like the S&P is now. When IBUC's site's back up, I'll point to an essay I did on it a couple of years ago... Cheers, RAH<< Extract. If Barter Units Money or BUMs take off and are pegged to the Dollar/Euro/Yen,then sooner or later Something like this will be necessary as State sanctioned currencies wither away.Thanks RAH.Kill the President and VIVA Argentina LIBRE! Direct action_ is what it's all about. Undermining the state through the spread of espionage networks, through undermining faith in the tax system, through even more direct applications of the right tools at the right times. When Cypherpunks are called "terrorists," we will have done our jobs. Font: Daschle-Anthrax-Bold From jei at cc.hut.fi Mon Jan 14 10:10:59 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:10:59 +0200 (EET) Subject: Finally, A Solution To The DMCA! Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:55:44 -0500 From: Michael Wally To: dmca_discuss at lists.microshaft.org Subject: [DMCA_discuss] DMCA Solution I'm not sure if this hit this mailing list yet, so if it has, sorry for re-posting. I found this floating around the internet and thought you might enjoy it. I've been reading the list for a while and enjoy the current news quite a lot. I have done as much as I can on my end, such as putting anti-dmca.org banners on the top levels of the domains I have and whatnot. This is my first post, and I just wanted to let everyone else know that I like what I see as far as arranging protests and the wonderful ideas you have come up with. Anyhow, onto the Solution. Finally, A Solution To The DMCA! August 23, 2001 For years, the geek community has been at the wrong end of the War on Piracy waged by Hollywood lawyers. The situation could change, however, with the unveiling of a secret weapon -- "The First Church Of Digital Grepping". This newly created church argues that copying digital information is a form of religious worship. As such, it's protected in the US by the freedom of religion clause in the First Amendment. "Rock beats scissors. And Free Exercise of Religion beats Digital Millennium Copyright Act(tm). Ha ha, suckers!" said the church's High Priest. Chapter 16, Verse 256 of the Sacred Readme of the First Church Of Digital Grepping states: On the first day, the Great Programmer created a new text file and the Universe was born. The Great Programmer flexed his fingers, started hacking, and entered Deep Hack Mode. First He wrote universe.c. Then sys/laws_of_physics.h and universal_constants.h. The Great Programmer continued his Hacking Binge into the second day with sol.c, which begat terra.c, which begat land_and_sea.c, which laid the foundation for the creation of life.c. On the third day, He gazed upon his Program and saw that it was good. More he produced: prokaryotes.c, eukaryotes.c, sys/dna.h, invertebrates.c, vertebrates.c. On the fourth day, the Great Programmer, against his better judgement, coded mankind.c. On the fifth day, He compiled his work, and received 1,024 errors. On the sixth day, He debugged. On the seventh day, He continued to debug. Rest is for the weak. On the eight day, the debugging continued. Only 128 compiler warnings did He now receive. On the ninth day, the program compiled correctly. Upon execution, it immediately coredumped. On the tenth day, The Great Programmer debugged. On the eleventh day, He debugged. On the twelfth day, He waved a dead chicken, but the Great Program continued to segfault. On the thirteenth day, He discovered the fatal flaw, a misplaced comma He did find. And then void main() executed, and the Big Bang did occur. Then the Great Programmer leaned back in his executive chair, and gazed upon the newborn Universe. And frowned. He knew those sentient humans would be a problem. Even after He had sweated over a hot terminal for thirteen days, those humans were ungrateful. They called their place of existence the "Universe", not the "Great Programmer/Universe". On the fourteenth day, he decided to take action. He would send these humans The Meaning Of Life, and soon the world would worship Him and his Hacking Skills. He did just that. He inspired a certain human to produce a work of art which includes His message, The Meaning Of Life. Eventually the humans would discover the .plan of the Great Programmer hidden in a certain work of art and all would be well... The Sacred Readme is a tad vague, but the church's High Priest believes that "The Meaning Of Life" is encoded in either a popular song, or a Hollywood movie, or an Adobe e-book. "If only we could figure out which 'work of art' the Sacred Readme refers to, and then grep through the binary representation to extract the divine message," the High Priest explains. The mission of the church is to make digital copies of every music CD, every movie DVD, and every printed book and then grep the digital version for any tell-tale signs of 'The Meaning Of Life'." "Our church cannot function if the DMCA prohibits us from making copies as part of the Fair Use Doctrine. We worship the Great Programmer by trying to discover His secret message. Why should we put the profits of Big Evil Corporations above the search for The Meaning Of Life?" Of course, the MPAA, RIAA, DVD-CCA, BSA, and other groups see things slightly differently. "This is all bull," said a MPAA spokesperson. "We didn't buy a slate of Congressmen to get the DMCA passed just so some fake parody religion could claim a bogus exemption!" An investigator for Oracle discovered a hand-written copy of the Sacred Readme while rummaging through the High Priest's trash cans. The P.I. believes that the holy document was actually written last Wednesday when the High Priest had a little too much to drink. The founder of the church stands his ground, however. "I wasn't drunk last Wednesday," he argues, "I was busy trying to find the divine message within a copy of 'Star Trek XXIII: We Promise This Movie Doesn't Include Any Annoying Characters Like Jar Jar Binks' on my big-screen projection TV. Needless to say, I came up empty." The judges in the California Sixth District Court of Appeals were all unavailable for comment at press time. - Humorix: Linux and Open Source(nontm) on a lighter note Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/humorix/ Web site: http://www.i-want-a-website.com/about-linux/ _______________________________________________ ------------------------ http://www.anti-dmca.org ------------------------ DMCA_discuss mailing list DMCA_discuss at lists.microshaft.org http://lists.microshaft.org/mailman/listinfo/dmca_discuss From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 01:26:10 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:26:10 +1100 Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114201225.00a649d0@pop.useoz.com> >>If the US prisoners in question had engineered, or were suspected of having engineered, the deaths of thousands of innocent people, I suspect that even LESS sympathy or consideration would be shown them. They certainly would not get any from me. Marc de Piolenc<< Has your head been up your ass for the last 50 years? In the name of anti-communism and to expand the Imperialist United Snakes Empire,MILLIONS,not thousands,MILLIONS of innocent people have died.Horrible bloody deaths! And now the statue of liberty is suddenly the fucking RED QUEEN! A word means what I want it to mean!?FUCK THAT NOISE! Fuck your sympathy,Fuck the US and Torture and Kill all US prisoners.Its good enough for them FUCK THEM! To hell with Amerikkka.All paying tax got what they deserve.Anyone who destroys American interests, consulates, all missionary organizations, McDonald's, KFC, Shell or Caltex petrol pumps or American Express, or anyone who cuts off the head of an American, you will be given complete protection and a special place in paradise.See the CIA sabotage manual for ways to FUCK SHIT UP in Norte LaLa Land.http://smog.net/curiosities/sabotage/ From piolenc at mozcom.com Mon Jan 14 04:27:51 2002 From: piolenc at mozcom.com (F. Marc de Piolenc) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:27:51 +0800 Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention References: Message-ID: <3C42CEC7.144EC37A@mozcom.com> measl at mfn.org wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > > > mattd wrote: > > Al-Quaeda is not a military force by any reasonable reckoning; > > I don't know what your definition of military force is Marc, but any *group* > of persons who are armed and engaged in common cause qualify as a military > force in my book. Okay - it DEFINITELY isn't a military force for Geneva purposes. How's that? You're welcome to your definition, but it won't wash here. > > it is a > > criminal association whose victims are defenseless and innocent of any > > involvement (pro or anti) in the cause that the criminal association > > claims to espouse. > > I assume you are referring to the WTC victims here. Sorry, but they were not > "innocent". They, as participants in the selection of the rulers of this > country, are 100% guilty of the many crimes perpetrated by the United States > against other peoples. We definitely differ here, and I disrespectfully submit that your line of reasoning is that of a terrorist: who is not for me is against me. By that "logic" everyone is fair game. And of course that's the purpose of the doctrine: to justify murder. > As for AQ being a "criminal association": how do you arrive at this? I > suspect you get there by considering their acts to be outside of accepted > behaviour (of any "lawful" society). My reasoning is simpler and less legalistic than that which you impute top me. Murder is a crime. These guys conspired to commit murder, and did so. They are criminals, and associated in crime; therefore they are a criminal association. > What's good for the goose should be good for the gander, ya? Nonsense. No reasonable definition of criminal conduct would put the US government and al-Quaeda in the same category. Marc de Piolenc From Ch3101 at aol.com Mon Jan 14 17:35:13 2002 From: Ch3101 at aol.com (Ch3101 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:35:13 EST Subject: (Kein Thema) Message-ID: <51.17638c73.2974e151@aol.com> do you have pics from naked child????? please answer..... stevenstomy at hotmail.com From nobody at dizum.com Mon Jan 14 11:40:19 2002 From: nobody at dizum.com (Nomen Nescio) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:40:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: What is Cheney doing? Message-ID: <75dfd5ca464ad5b9064fa0ad3660f118@dizum.com> At 10:27 PM 1/13/02 -0800, Alan Olsen wrote: >Speaking of "Missing In Action"... > >Anyone know what Cheany is up to? Buying more pretzels for George.. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20020114/ts/bush_health.html From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 01:46:35 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:46:35 +1100 Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114203426.00a69720@pop.useoz.com> >>The current administration keeps waffling on if this is a war or not. When it suits their purposes (getting money out of congress, censoring the press, and trampling on the constitution and bill of rights) it is a War. When it does not suit their purposes (like how they treat prisoners), it is not a War. << These gross hypocrisies have not gone unnoticed in spite of the crap corporate media.The business of amerikkka is none of your business? Lets not forget the water babies,mrs 'Do as you would be done by'.btw. >>Speaking of "Missing In Action"... Anyone know what Cheany is up to? If life imitates the movies, we are either seeing a remake of "Dave" or "Weekend At Bernies".<< Lets see that destruction of the W/house scene from Independance Day one more time.Gee Im glad to see some of my threads get up,thanks people! We all seem to agree who the rogue terror state is.You can interrorgate me now. From nobody at paranoici.org Mon Jan 14 11:57:58 2002 From: nobody at paranoici.org (Anonymous) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:57:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: if Scarfo had cut & pasted from Password Safe?? Message-ID: <5ddc99174c1f1ce3a77bf89726330045@paranoici.org> At 5:05 PM -0600 on 1/11/02, Internet Scout Project wrote: > 16. Counterpane Labs: Password Safe > http://www.counterpane.com/passsafe.html > > Tired of trying to memorize numerous computer passwords? Password Safe is a > free Windows 9x/2000 utility that provides users the opportunity to keep > their passwords securely encrypted on their computers and provides a single > Safe Combination that unlocks all passwords. Password Safe "protects > passwords with the Blowfish encryption algorithm, a fast, free alternative > to DES." The program's security has been thoroughly verified by Counterpane > Labs under the supervision of Bruce Schneier, author of _Applied > Cryptography_ and creator of the Blowfish algorithm. Password Safe features > a simple, intuitive interface that lets users set up their password database > in minutes. One can copy a password just by double clicking and pasting it > directly into his/her application. Best of all, Password Safe is completely > free: no license requirements, shareware fees, or other strings attached. > [MG] -- From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 01:58:48 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:58:48 +1100 Subject: Ken Taylor: After the fire, into Africa, Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114204833.00a67eb0@pop.useoz.com> Hey thats my Dad. charlesk at netcon.net.au Tanah-merah,Mt Macedon. 03 54261466 He has a neighbor called JEFF GORDON! If you want to discuss various ways and means of OFFING JEFF GORDON! Deniability,Anonymity,E-dinars,Guns,wtf are you waiting for? APster now,before Oceania takes complete control,because this new system is an incredible force-multiplier, it can super-empower people so they can destabilize a superpower.Bet the farm. Giangiacomo Feltrinelli, in a booklet entitled Political Guerilla Warfare. Feltrinelli said that the task of the terrorist was to violate the law openly  challenging and outraging institutions and public order in every way. Then, when the state intervenes as a result, with the police and the courts, it will be easy to denounce its harshness and repressive dictatorial tendencies. From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 02:10:18 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:10:18 +1100 Subject: 2 tonnes OK city;4 tonnes found in Singapore terror cell. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114210033.00a6e2b0@pop.useoz.com> Ammonium Nitrate found in Singapore.Shrub chokes on a Preztel.The US has about 6000 yankee snakes in Singapore, Massive investments in the Police State.Shares Spy satellite traffic,nearly all that comes out of OZ. A target rich environment.It would be much better to provide Al Qaida with APster tools than let them create east African type bloody outrage.When it comes out that the US rogue Terror state knew how to prevent terror bomb outrage's and did nothing...Collapse of Govts will be the least of their worries. . "Hirstory has also shown that in the ensuing chaos between the fall of the old and the start of the new order, there is a great danger of a cult leader taking control of the revolutionary spirit in order to set himself up as the new dictator. The few times this has not happened, there has been great international efforts made to crush the Revolution before it sets an example the rest of the world could follow. These are both dangers that need to be considered during the development of the revolution." From petro at bounty.org Mon Jan 14 22:50:10 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:50:10 -0800 Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention In-Reply-To: <3C43A7B6.6FB306D0@mozcom.com> Message-ID: <1E8002CE-0984-11D6-9F85-00306577F12E@bounty.org> On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 07:53 PM, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Petro wrote: >> >> On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 04:27 AM, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: >>>> What's good for the goose should be good for the gander, ya? >>> >>> Nonsense. No reasonable definition of criminal conduct would put the US >>> government and al-Quaeda in the same category. >> >> How about Criminal Conduct meaning "Actions violate the laws". >> >> The USG *HAS* done that from time to time you know. Maybe not as >> baldly as al-Quaeda, but it has done so. > > Okay, let's try a concrete example: > A commits the offense of blocking another's driveway with his > automobile. > B commits murder. > > Is A in the same category as B? If yes, then I have to concede the > argument, because as you say the US government is not Simon-pure. I do, > however, make a distinction. If A is actually a crime (instead of an "infraction"), then yes, both are in the set called "criminal". It is a large set and includes most of the people in this country. What is the difference between murdering 50 people and murdering 3000? -- Crypto is about a helluva lot more than just PGP and RSA...it's about building the I-beams and sheetrock that will allow robust structures to be built, it's about the railroad lines and power lines that will connect the structures, and it's about creating Galt's Gulch in cyberspace, where it belongs.--Tim May From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 04:35:14 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:35:14 +1100 Subject: Nude Bomb Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114233311.00a66a50@pop.useoz.com> Latest wave of protests 14jan02 FIVE nude protesters skinny dipped at Sandridge beach yesterday, escaping arrest despite their illegal actions. Nudity lobby group Freedom International staged the latest in a series of protests aimed at changing the state's nudity laws. Keith Stodden, Tony Pitman, Rollan McCleary and Stuart Kingsford have told police before each protest and there have been no arrests, despite one protest last year being staged in the same park as a police rally. Mr Pitman said the lack of arrests did not mean their message was unheard. "I think there is a point. If we do it enough times we have kind of proven that the law is redundant," he said. "What we need is for the law to be changed because it can be applied arbitrarily." Mr Pitman pointed to a court decision last year concerning two women who were arrested for jogging nude outside the Crown casino during a protest. While the court found they had not behaved offensively and therefore committed no crime, they still had to suffer the trauma of court appearances, he said. You gotta fight for your right To PARTY! From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 04:53:48 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:53:48 +1100 Subject: Stephen Gough,Leigh Gassner need Killing. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020114235047.00a68dc0@pop.useoz.com> Victoria Police Commander Leigh Gassner denied that police had overreacted, saying it did not take much for an innocent act to spill over. "Even the ... Mexican Wave is pretty harmless but to put it into context, when you start throwing things then you can't take it lightly," he told reporters. "There's a cultural issue about where this is occurring and I think we have to say that that culture is no longer tolerated at the MCG anywhere * Anyone detected throwing items or starting the Mexican Wave throughout the ground will be automatically evicted; * On-the-spot fines, harsher penalties for invading the playing area and intensified bag searches will also be introduced, with details yet to be worked out. The tough stand follows a weekend of hooliganism during two matches at the MCG which resulted in 36 arrests and nearly 500 expulsions. Members of the ACB, the Melbourne Cricket Club (MCC), Victoria Police and the state government met today to consider how to address crowd misbehaviour. MCC secretary Stephen Gough told reporters the agreement on the measures was unanimous. "The idea is that we don't want to see cricket interrupted at the MCG and we don't want to see the future of cricket at the MCG under any threat," he said. From anonymous at cryptofortress.com Mon Jan 14 22:00:34 2002 From: anonymous at cryptofortress.com (Anonymous) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:00:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: Victoria Police Crime Stoppers $1000 bounty Message-ID: <60e0c1eb6181c11d0d2a80713b21c250@remailer.cryptofortress.com> Victoria Police Crime Stoppers 1800-333-000 Crime Stoppers offers members of the general public an opportunity to make confidential calls to the police about any criminal activity. Calls are not recorded. All callers are given a code number for identification which they require when making further contact with Crime Stoppers. If the information leads to an arrest, the caller may be eligible for a reward of up to $1,000. Crime Stoppers offers a way of overcoming many of the reasons which inhibit people from reporting crime, such as not wanting to get involved, fear of retribution and not being sure that what they have to report is of any significance or who to tell. Hours of Operation The Crime Stoppers call centre is staffed by Victoria Police personnel between 7am and 11pm, seven days a week. Information can be left on a voice mail system outside these hours. Free Call Telephone Number - 1 800 333 000 Crime Stoppers operates nationally and can be called on a free call hotline from anywhere in Australia. If you are calling from Victoria your call will be directed to the Victoria Police Crime Stoppers call centre. Anonymity For those callers who wish to remain anonymous, their total anonymity is guaranteed. If callers choose to remain anonymous, they are given a code number which they use when contacting Crime Stoppers to provide further information and/or to collect a reward. The caller�s anonymity applies even to the board members and other police outside of the Crime Stoppers Unit who may be involved in the investigation. Do Crime Stoppers record or use caller display phones? At Crime Stoppers, the emphasis is on protecting the identity of all callers. Crime Stoppers does not record calls or use caller display phones otherwise the whole Crime Stoppers program - not only in Australia but worldwide, would lose its credibility and valuable criminal information. Cash Rewards Crime Stoppers pays cash rewards for information that results in the arrest of an offender. Will I receive a reward for any information? Crime Stoppers pay rewards for any piece of information that leads to an arrest. The information can be about any crime, not just crimes featured in the media. Do I get a reward if I call a police station with information? Members of the public will always phone police stations with information and this is always encouraged. These callers do not qualify for a Crime Stoppers reward because the Crime Stoppers Unit did not receive and process the call. How is the amount of the reward determined? The rewards are paid for and administered by the board of Crime Stoppers Victoria Ltd. Police recommend to the board of management that a reward be considered for payment to a caller. The amount of the reward is determined by a points rating scale including the seriousness of the crime, the number of persons arrested, the number of charges laid, the value of property recovered or the value of drugs seized. How can I receive a reward and still remain anonymous? The caller is advised to call back after a scheduled board meeting at which the reward amount will be considered. Suitable arrangements will then be made for payment of the reward. At all times the identity of the caller is safeguarded. The normal practice is for the caller to identify themself with their code number. Crime Stoppers can then make a cash deposit of the reward amount into a nominated bank account or alternatively, arrange cash payment at a nominated location. From mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu Mon Jan 14 16:20:14 2002 From: mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu (lcs Mixmaster Remailer) Date: 15 Jan 2002 00:20:14 -0000 Subject: registering Cypherpunks movement ... Message-ID: <20020115002014.32556.qmail@nym.alias.net> At 05:47 AM 1/14/02 -0000, Anonymous wrote: >Not a joke. >http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=corp&group=34001-35000&file=35000-35007 >"35001. This title is enacted in the exercise of the police power of > >this State for the protection of the public peace and safety by > >requiring the registration of subversive organizations which are > >conceived and exist for the purpose of undermining and eventually > >destroying the democratic form of government in this State and in the > >United States." So, has the Democratic Party registered? Buchanan? From bill.stewart at pobox.com Tue Jan 15 00:42:56 2002 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:42:56 -0800 Subject: [PLANNING FEB CPUNKS] Who's going to be in the Bay Area in February for RSA? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20020115001954.035f8470@idiom.com> The RSA Conference will be in San Jose the week of Feb 18-22. http://www.rsaconference.net/indexforrsa.html As usual, that means a lot of cypherpunks will be in town, and we move the meeting to whichever weekend works best. This year, that's Saturday the 16th, and it's Presidents' Day Weekend. It's also Codecon 2002 http://codecon.org/ , a conference on peer-to-peer, crypto, and similar applications, designed for presentations about actual working code. The conference will be at the DNA Lounge, 375 11th St, San Francisco. The not-totally-firm plans are to have the cypherpunks meeting at Codecon on Saturday afternoon (the conference is Friday-Sunday). Bram (the conference organizer) will probably be able to comp us attendance (the full conference is $50), but he needs to do a schedule. Some of the crypto projects being talked about include Cryptomail and Zooko talking about Mojo Nation derivatives. Who's going to be in town that weekend? Would you like to speak at the Cypherpunks meeting, either as an organized talk or as a works-in-progress session? Thanks; Bill Stewart From iwebmaster at iwww.net Mon Jan 14 09:03:06 2002 From: iwebmaster at iwww.net (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?vsbAzLX7tfu1+w==?=) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:03:06 +0900 Subject: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?W8irurhdILPXxrzB8MDMILi4tecgsMu79r+jwfggvsbAzLX7tfu1+8DUtM+02S4=?= Message-ID: <200201141716.LAA30287@einstein.ssz.com> 검색엔진 아이따따따 인터넷에는 많은 정보와 그 정보를 찾아주는 검색엔진이 있습니다. 하지만 검색엔진들이 너무나 많은 정보를 제공해 주는 결과 오히려 정보를 찾는데 많은 노력과 시간을 허비하는 결과를 초래하고 있습니다. 이제는 얻을 수 없는 많은 양의 검색결과보다는 신뢰성 있는 정보를 요구하는 시대가 되었습니다. 인터넷에 산재해 있는 사이트 중에는 우리가 꼭 필요한 정보들을 담고 있는 사이트가 많이 있는데, 이 사이트 들을 구분하면 포탈,보탈,허브 사이트라고 합니다. 아이따따따는 이런 사이트를 찾아주는 카테고리 및 키워드 검색엔진입니다. 각 카테고리 별로 신뢰성 있는 엄선된 사이트만 네티즌의 양심으로등록관리하는 검색엔진이며 귀하께서도 카테고리 담당자가 되실 수 있습니다. 카테고리 담당이 되시면 ㈜아이엔웹의 주식 1주를 무상으로 드리며 pop3 e-mail 계정을 드립니다. ("예" abc at iwww.net") 또한,그 카테고리를 관리할 수 있는 권한과 해당 카테고리에 담당자 아이디를 등록합니다. (등록신청을 하신후 담당관리자로 login 하시면 카테고리를 직접 관리하실 수 있습니다.) 회원가입을 하시고 회원이 되시면 ㈜ 아이엔웹의 주식 1주를 무상으로 드립니다. 인터넷은 네티즌이 주인이고 아이따따따는 네티즌의 것이기 때문입니다! http://iwww.net (아이따따따)로 방문해 주세요 아이따따따의 이념은 우리 네티즌이 갖고있는 유익한 정보를 서로 공유하고 새로운 네티즌문화를 창출하는것입니다. 귀하께서도 아이따따따의 한 가족이 되어주시길 부탁드립니다. 늘 건강하시고 행복하세요~~~감사합니다. 1일 평균 방문 774,500 hit(2002.01.07) 네티즌 담당 카테고리 745 개 직접 방문하셔서 평가해 주십시오! ======>http://iwww.net유익한 사이트라고 평가되시면 주위분들에게 알려주시길바랍니다. ( 아이따따따 = iwww ) 귀하께 불편을 끼쳐 드렸다면 용서를 바랍니다. 귀하의 메일은 인터넷에서 웹서핑중 취득하였으며 귀하의 어떠한 정보도 갖고있지 않습니다. 다음부터는 인터넷,정보통신,바이러스백신 등 유익한 정보만을 보내드립니다. 아이따따따의 가족이 되시면 전체가족 메일을 통하여 유익한 정보를 받아보실 수 있습니다. 공지사항을 참고하시면 아이따따따 내부사정을 아실 수 있습니다. 바로가서 보기 네티즌의 고견을 수렴하는 공개게시판을 운영중입니다.바로가서 보기 그래도 수신을 원치 않으실 경우 수신거부를 클릭하십시오!수신거부 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 8283 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jei at cc.hut.fi Mon Jan 14 19:04:48 2002 From: jei at cc.hut.fi (Jei) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:04:48 +0200 (EET) Subject: Lawmaker Wants Magic Lantern Information From FBI Message-ID: http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/173637.html Lawmaker Wants Magic Lantern Information From FBI By Robert MacMillan, Newsbytes WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A., 14 Jan 2002, 7:27 PM CST Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, in a letter last week told the FBI that he is concerned about the bureau's refusal to provide information about the existence of a computer and e-mail surveillance plan dubbed "Magic Lantern." In the letter, provided to the Politech mailing list by Paul's legislative director Norman Singleton, the Congressman asked FBI Director Robert Mueller to hand over information on the keystroke monitoring program, "or provide me with written justification for the FBI's refusal to share information on this crucial issue." Paul asked for a response within two weeks. "If ... media reports are accurate, the Magic Lantern project could greatly impact the privacy and civil liberties of all Americans who communicate via e-mail," Paul said. "Recently, my legislative director attempted to obtain information on this project from the FBI and was told such information was classified. Considering the potential impact of Magic Lantern, I am sure you can understand why I was disturbed by this refusal." Media reports have said that the FBI could distribute Magic Lantern the same way worms thread through the Internet, which would eliminate the need for law enforcement to physically install monitoring programs on suspect's computers. Privacy advocates are concerned that a program such as Magic Lantern could help the FBI circumvent the normal process of subjecting to a court's oversight when using surveillance tools. FBI officials had no immediate comment on the letter. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 10:40:33 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:40:33 +1100 Subject: Stephen Gough,Leigh Gassner need Killing.(ahem) Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115052903.00a64060@pop.useoz.com> The Victorian police being in possession of my cs latitude dell laptop and the e-mail adress proffr at fuckmicrosoft.com and the passwords to all the steg Ive stored online,seem intent on trying to entrap me by posting fake threats,calls to brake various laws in various places and so on.They are even tampering with forwarded material and inserting mistakes and gratuitous insults in a manner that reminds one of the CoinTelPro days of yore.Father forgive them for they know not coco-nuts. Stephen Cough and Leigh Gassbag are eminent Victorians that simply want to exclude Mexicans.Anyone in Cali will understand that.They no more deserve to be assassinated than Governor Greyshite and Dianne Veinstain do. This type of buggery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 10:56:00 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:56:00 +1100 Subject: Pretzle Logic Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115055231.00a6b1a0@pop.useoz.com> http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=118592&group=webcast http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=118585&group=webcast http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=118507&group=webcast Theres more,best to take with a grain of salt though. From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 11:19:30 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:19:30 +1100 Subject: The Collaborators List for Immediate Targeted Action. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115061813.00a6e090@pop.useoz.com> WASHINGTON, DC -- Recent moves to beef up intelligence gathering in the wake of the September 11th terrorist attacks have civil libertarians concerned that law enforcement agencies will entangle many law abiding citizens and social justice groups in their surveillance missions. Intelligence networks are setting their sights on the Internet, which up to now has had no clear privacy guidelines. Under the provisions of the inaptly named anti-terrorism act, "USA-PATRIOT," the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), National Security Agency (NSA), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and a number of other smaller law enforcement agencies are looking for ways to monitor the Internet and mine useful intelligence from it. And new technology makes it easier than ever to spy on the Internet. Although law enforcement and intelligence agencies claim they are merely looking for information to counter future acts of terrorism, the definition of "terrorism" is being expanded to cover non-violent groups that have traditionally used the Internet to marshal resistance to corporate-inspired globalization. Politicians are already painting dissent as "unpatriotic" and therefore somehow linked to terrorism. Meanwhile, a phalanx of software companies, consultants, and defense contractors stand to reap billions of dollars over the next few years by selling surveillance and information-gathering systems to government agencies and the private sector. Technology Already in the Hands of Law Enforcement Law enforcement agencies like the FBI already have at their disposal a massive information sharing network through which federal, state, local, and foreign police forces can exchange information on groups felt to pose a threat. The system, RISSNET, or Regional Information Sharing System Network, which existed before the September 11th attacks, recently got a boost when Congress authorized additional money for it in the USA PATRIOT Act. RISSNET is a secure intranet that connects 5,700 law enforcement agencies in all 50 states, as well as agencies in Ontario and Quebec, the District of Columbia, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and Australia. According to sources close to the Washington Metropolitan Police, data on targeted local groups such as the Alliance for Global Justice, the anti-World Bank/International Monetary Fund activist organization, has been shared with other jurisdictions through RISSNET. RISSNET has also been used to coordinate the monitoring of the activities of anti-globalization protestors in Seattle, Quebec City, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Washington DC and Genoa. For example, when the FBI seized network server logs from Independent Media Center (IMC) in Seattle during the April 2001 anti-free trade protests in Quebec City, RISSNET was used to coordinate activities across jurisdictional boundaries. The IMC, founded during the 1999 WTO protests, allows activists and independent journalists to post directly to its site. State and metropolitan police intelligence units also monitor the web sites of activist organizations in their jurisdictions. All RISS intelligence is archived by an Orwellian-sounding entity called MAGLOCLEN or "Middle Atlantic-Great Lakes Organized Crime Law Enforcement Network." There are other regional RISS intelligence centers around the country with equally mysterious acronyms. MAGLOCLEN, a nerve center headquartered in Newtown, Pennsylvania, distributes political intelligence to all police departments hooked up to RISSNET. MAGLOCLEN allows police investigators to link various activist groups and members through the Link Association Analysis sub-system, a relational data base that identifies the "friends and families" of groups and individuals. The Telephone Record Analysis sub-system can call up records of phone calls of targeted groups and individuals. A suspect group's banking and other commercial data can be monitored by the Financial Analysis sub-system. And through a system that would have been the envy of J. Edgar Hoover, police and federal agents can also call up profiles that provide specific information on the composition of organizations, including their membership lists. The Justice Department has instituted a project called RISSNET II, which directly links the individual databases contained within the various RISS centers. The FBI also runs its own intranet called Law Enforcement On-line or "LEO," which allows it to communicate intelligence with select other law enforcement agencies. In the aftermath of September 11th , the FBI is under pressure to open up LEO to more police agencies so they can have access to more real-time intelligence. If Attorney General John Ashcroft lifts restrictions placed on the FBI's collection of political intelligence, undoubtedly information on the First Amendment activities of American citizens will wind up in the Bureau's computer databases. "There has been no indication that the FBI needs expanded spying powers," says Center for Constitutional Rights attorney Michael Ratner. "We should learn from history; spying on dissent is not only unlawful but it is abusive." This kind of surveillance is not new. In the 1960s and 70s, the FBI's Counter Intelligence Program, known as COINTELPRO, was used to gather personal details on the lives and habits of a wide array of activists ranging from public figures like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., actress Jane Fonda and noted pediatrician Benjamin Spock, to members of local anti-war and civil rights groups. This information was often used to disrupt lawful organizing and protest activities. A modern-day FBI list might include any group deemed "terrorist" by any law enforcement agencies, the military, or criminal prosecutors. That could subject organizations as varied -- and unconnected to terrorism -- as Earth First, Greenpeace, the American Indian Movement, the Zapatista National Liberation Front, ACT UP, and their supporters to a wide array of high-tech surveillance and eavesdropping tools. Chief among spy agency tools is an e-mail sniffing program known as Carnivore. Changes brought about by USA-PATRIOT allow federal law enforcement officials to petition a secretive federal court called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for warrants to tap phones, read e-mail, or break and enter into homes or offices to conduct searches and plant bugging devices. These spy activities can be carried out without proof that an organization has links to terrorists or foreign intelligence agencies. To read e-mail the FBI can order an Internet Service Provider to place a special monitoring computer called Carnivore (now renamed Data Collection System 1000) on its network servers. The FBI can then select the e-mail of surveillance targets for capture and storage. Not content with this device, the FBI now seeks to expand its surveillance capability to the entire Internet. Making a Buck off of Government Spying Companies that are positioning themselves to help the government surveill the web came out in force at a recent Homeland Security Conference in Washington. They included Oracle, Microsoft, Information Builders, Choice Point, Man Tech, AMS, and Booz Allen & Hamilton. Government speakers from civilian and military agencies all stressed that they urgently need the technology to store surveillance-derived intelligence and exchange it with other agencies. If these corporations step up to the plate on developing new surveillance, monitoring, and biometric ID systems, they stand to make billions. Companies like Top Layer Networks, Inc. of Westboro, Massachusetts, are developing ways for the FBI to install surveillance systems at a few key Internet hubs which would allow federal agents to remotely flip a switch and pound a few keys to begin monitoring the e-mail or web-based mail of any targeted group or individual. According to chief Top Layer engineer Ken Georgiades, the firm is working with a number of partners to develop new standards for the legal interception of communications at the Internet Service Provider level and at higher gigabit speeds. The higher gigabit intercept equipment would be placed at major Internet backbone hubs in strategic locations like Washington, DC, the San Francisco Bay Area, Chicago, Dallas, and Los Angeles. Georgiades said that the 1994 Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) does not currently extend to the Internet and only applies to telecommunications companies. However, the fact that Top Layer and its unspecified partners are ramping up to deliver CALEA-like wiretapping services for the Internet indicates the FBI sees the power of CALEA growing beyond phone lines to the web. And Georgiades pointed out that foreign governments are under no such constraints and can use Internet snooping equipment under existing current wiretapping laws. David Banisar, Research Fellow at Harvard's Information Infrastructure Project, said such systems "set a dangerous precedent to allow law enforcement and intelligence agencies to run the communications system." He added, "these agencies take an over-inclusive view of who they think are the enemies and its likely that civil and human rights groups will, again, be monitored for no legitimate reason." The large defense and intelligence consulting and engineering firm Booz, Allen & Hamilton has not only developed the FBI's Carnivore capability but it has assisted the bureau in ensuring that all telecommunications companies engineer their systems to ensure they are "wiretap friendly." The companies are required by the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act to ensure the FBI has access to all forms of telecommunications, including cellular calls. What if a target decides to use encryption to protect their e-mail from interception? That is not a problem for the FBI. Booz Allen & Hamilton has helped develop a system code-named Magic Lantern, which permits a virus containing a key logging program to be secretly transmitted to a recipient. After installing itself on the target's computer, any time the target types in a password to decrypt a message, that same password is immediately picked up by Magic Lantern and transmitted to the FBI. Essentially, the FBI has a virtual master key to break any encryption program used by a surveillance target. A companion program to Magic Lantern, code named Cyber Knight, is a relational database system that compares and matches information from e-mail, Internet relay chats, instant messages, and Internet voice communications. Not to be outdone by the FBI, the CIA has also been extremely active in developing software than can dig deep within the Internet to harvest information. The CIA has relied heavily on its wholly-owned and operated proprietary Silicon Valley company, IN-Q-TEL, to fund research and development for Internet snooping software. IN-Q-TEL's President and Chief Executive Officer Gilman Louie is to keynote a January 2002 Las Vegas seminar on the use of emerging intelligence technology to search and analyze the web. He is to be joined by Joan Dempsey, the Deputy Director of the CIA for Intelligence Community Management. IN-Q-TEL's web page describes the aggressive attitude the CIA is taking toward ensuring new technologies come complete with the spy agency's seal of approval, "IN-Q-TEL strives to extend the Agency's access to new IT companies, solutions, and approaches to address their priority problems." Assisting the government in its goals to gather massive amounts of personal information on citizens and non-citizens, is a company that owes its very existence to the CIA. Oracle, Inc. Chairman Larry Ellison has offered to provide to the government free of charge the database software required to establish an interactive national ID card system. Oracle got its start when the CIA gave Ellison a contract in the 1970s to design a system to enable the agency to store and retrieve massive amounts if information in databases. Not coincidentally, the code name of that CIA project was "Oracle." The rush by the government to monitor the Internet has the backing of a group of federal contract research facilities that have pounded out report after report warning about the threat of cyberspace to national security. These "think tanks" include Rand Corporation and Analytical Services Corporation (ANSER). They are assisted in this policy laundering effort by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the K Street rest home for former Pentagon, intelligence, and State Department political appointees. But all the technology in the world will not protect citizens from terrorist attacks, unless the government knows how to use the information effectively. As the government and a few selected companies and think tanks push for new surveillance laws and more monitoring of the Internet and telecommunications in general, the words of Mary Schiavo, the Transportation Department's former Inspector General and outspoken critic of lax airline security, are particularly poignant. Speaking in Washington on December 18, Schiavo pointed out that the "United States already had laws to prevent what happened on September 11th . . . they weren't being enforced." Wayne Madsen is a Washington-based journalist who covers intelligence, national security, and foreign affairs. He is also a Senior Fellow of the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) in Washington, DC and author of "Genocide and Covert Operations in Africa 1993-1999" (Mellen Press). Updated: 12/21/2001 Homeland Security, Homeland Profits By Wayne Madsen CorpWatch PO Box 29344 San Francisco, CA 94129 USA Tel: 415-561-6568 Fax: 415-561-6493 URL: http://www.corpwatch.org Email: corpwatch at corpwatch.org From mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu Mon Jan 14 23:00:11 2002 From: mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu (lcs Mixmaster Remailer) Date: 15 Jan 2002 07:00:11 -0000 Subject: cryptography within 1000 ft of churches, schools, playgrounds, city-ow Message-ID: <20020115070011.11870.qmail@nym.alias.net> http://latimes.com/news/local/la-000003663jan14.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dcalifornia Civic leaders have been presented with a proposal that would be among the toughest gun laws in the state, making it nearly impossible for new retailers to sell firearms. All in a city where gun violence is minimal. The proposed law, drafted by Councilman Chris Mears, would make it illegal to sell firearms within 1,000 feet of churches, schools, playgrounds or city-owned buildings. In Irvine, almost every commercial center is within a short walking distance of one or more of those. ... We can't shoulder a gun to fight the enemy," said Chris Mears, an Irvine attorney leading the campaign http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-093001voices.story Mr. and Mrs. Chris Mears 18 Wandering Rill, Irvine, CA 92612 They have two children, Ben and Sophie, attending Vista Verde Middle School in Irvine. FAX (949) 724 6045 cmears at ci.irvine.ca.us .... Some folks just need killin' From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 12:31:46 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:31:46 +1100 Subject: The Other 4 Horsemen. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115072954.00a66020@pop.useoz.com> The Four Horsemen of the Frankfort School (english) by White trash Gun Nut 10:38am Mon Jan 14 '02 billbennetjr at hotmail.com Another message from you financial, social, moral and academic superior: The White Trash Gun Nut In his new book "The Death of the West" Patrick J. Buchanan examines the origin of what he contends is the modern decline of America. He asserts that while Soviet style Marxism is largely dead, our society remains enthralled by Cultural Marxism, which is strangling our freedom, and threatening our future. This threat to our culture and way of life accelerated to a deadly speed with the establishment, in 1933 at Columbia University, of the Institute for Social Research, originally called "The Institute for Marxism." This institution became known as the Frankfort School. The destructive nature of the Frankfort School, founded in New York after it's theoreticians fled there from Frankfort, Germany when Hitler came to power, is obvious from even a cursory examination of its primary texts. The four horsemen of the school were music critic Theodor Adorno, psychologist Erich Fromm, sociologist Wilhelm Reich and professor Herbert Marcuse. Their ideas, echoing through the halls of academia and from the ink stained hands of writers and journalists, would lead to, as Buchanan calls it, the establishment of today's politically correct catechism. The original strategy to destroy America, employed by the Frankfort School, came from Italian Communist Antonio Gramsci who realized that in order to achieve a Socialist victory, cultural institutions would have to be infiltrated and subverted. Gramsci realized that America, steeped in traditions of freedom and liberty, would never to succumb to a frontal assault and its workers were too busy accumulating capital to allow themselves to be used as cannon fodder for a bloody revolution. Theodor Adorno The Frankfort School would patent the familiar "Critical Theory" which was accurately defined by a student as the "essentially destructive criticism of all the main elements of Western culture, including Christianity, capitalism, authority, the family, patriarchy, hierarchy, morality, tradition, sexual restraint, loyalty, patriotism, nationalism, heredity, ethnocentrism, convention, and conservatism." Under Critical Theory, anything emanating from the west is to be libeled and attacked over and over again while at the same time, anything emerging from a "progressive" country or group is to be applauded including the murder of over 100 million people. All blame for societal and economic ills are to be shifted to the west. The saturating drumbeat of Critical Theory would lead to "Cultural Pessimism" which is when a person grows to loathe the society, which nurtured him and provided him unprecedented levels of success. This describes the attitude of so many leftists living in comfort and safety yet viewing America, the society that made their lifestyle possible, with hatred and contempt. I am amazed by the degree in which both Critical Theory and Cultural Pessimism has been internalized by all of us. Erich Fromm's "Escape from Freedom" and Wilhelm Reich's "The Mass Psychology of Fascism" and "The Sexual Revolution" are central texts of Critical Theory according to Buchanan, who also calls "The Authoritarian Personality" by Theodor Adorno the "altarpiece of the Frankfurt School." Adorno's thesis is that anyone imbued with middle class, conservative, or Christian values is a racist and a fascist. Charles Sykes, senior fellow at the Wisconsin Policy Research Center, says Adorno's book is "an uncompromising indictment of bourgeois civilization, with the twist that what was considered merely old-fashioned by previous critics was now declared both fascistic and psychologically warped." This libelous indictment of the American people is comparable to Hitler's equally libelous indictment of the Jews of Europe. Wilhelm Reich The Frankfurt School introduced the idea of psychological conditioning as a means of changing the culture to fit their image. This would largely replace the traditional American approach to learning which was rational philosophical argument. Buchanan calls this the root of the "therapeutic state" where "sin is redefined as sickness, crime becomes anti-social behavior, and the psychiatrist replaces the priest." To Adorno and his comrades, all Americans who refused to conform to the new morality were viewed as mentally ill and in need of treatment. The Soviet Union offers a clear example of this philosophy in action with it's millions sent to gulags for "mental" maladies such as "anti-social" attitudes. Herbert Marcuse The forth horseman, Brandeis professor Herbert Marcuse, was the pied piper of the sixties as he fostered the development of, as Buchanan points out, "radical youth, feminists, black militants, homosexuals, the alienated, the asocial, Third World revolutionaries, all the angry voices of the persecuted 'victims' of the West." In "Eros and Civilization" Marcuse encouraged sex and drugs and introduced "polymorphous perversity" where all moral and cultural order is rejected. Marcuse coined the slogan "Make love not war" and was a cult figure on College campuses. His book "i" advocates educational dictatorship. He calls for "Repressive Tolerance" which means "intolerance against movements from the right, and toleration of movements from the left." When the left speaks of tolerance, this is what they mean. The Frankfurt School would mainstream the dicktat of the Moscow Central Committee laid down in 1943. This declaration, right from the horse's mouth, illustrates exactly what were up against: "Members and front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as fascist, or Nazi or anti-Semitic...The association will, after enough repetition, become 'fact' in the public mind. From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 12:40:42 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:40:42 +1100 Subject: Midnight express;Turkish anarchists in prison update. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115073744.00a6ceb0@pop.useoz.com> - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/ ________________________________________________ On December 1 2001, two anarchists were taken by the police in Usak (a city in Mid-West Anatolia) with the claim of distributing illegal leaflets in a meeting organized by trade-unions. Later on, 3 other were taken, and all (5) of them were arrested with the claim of "being members of an illegal terrorist organization" namely Usak Anarchist Autonom. Although they did nothing more than distributing their own materials/leaflets, for this terrorist state it was enough to judge them with the claim of organizing in such a way "to destroy or to divide" it. They did not even find any (in their own words) "violent" or "terrorist" clues related with the group. The trail will be held in Izmir DGM (SSC-State Security Court) on 13th of February. At the moment they are in Usak Prison; each of them in seperate cells. This week they'll be sent to Izmir F-type prison. They were beaten badly and tortured by Usak police and refused the lawyers offered by the state. For the first time Turkish anarchists will be judged by Turkish State as an "illegal organization" and this trail will show the attitude of the state against anarchists and anarchist organizations. Anar~ist Kara Ay - Ankara Anarchist Black Crescent - Ankara (abcankara at yahoo.com Also 'Ruckus' an anarchist prisoner has been transfered. Cali. http://www.ainfos.ca/A-Infos/ainfos08080.html From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jan 15 05:42:49 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:42:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention In-Reply-To: <3C43A7B6.6FB306D0@mozcom.com> Message-ID: This is not concrete, it is flawed. You(!) first have to demonstrate that people and nations operate on the same rules and laws. They don't... Further, your 'distinction' actually begs the question in that your example was built to lead to your conclusion. Further, you need to demonstrate that A's ONLY(!!!) offense is blocking the driveway AND that that act did not itself perpetuate another event which COULD lead to an unintentional death or murder. Why was A blocking the driveway again?... On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Okay, let's try a concrete example: > > A commits the offense of blocking another's driveway with his > automobile. > > B commits murder. > > Is A in the same category as B? If yes, then I have to concede the > argument, because as you say the US government is not Simon-pure. I do, > however, make a distinction. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 12:47:36 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:47:36 +1100 Subject: The Argentine Tightrope Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115074503.009ff120@pop.useoz.com> Background on the Uprising.Acute danger of Leninist opportunism.(longish)pr. From miyachi Date Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:38:33 -0500 (EST) ________________________________________________ A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/ ________________________________________________ A MONTH ago, Argentina was a symbol of the disaster of the free market. Years of recession had driven unemployment to nearly 20 percent and pushed one-third of the population into poverty. And all President Fernando de la Ra and his hated economics chief Domingo Cavallo could offer was more austerity--slashed wages, layoffs, spending cuts, privatization. But Argentina today is the symbol of something else--the hope of a better future. In mid-December, ordinary Argentinians said "no" to the misery of a system run by bankers and bosses. By December 20, every city and town in Argentina, including Buenos Aires, was paralyzed by mass demonstrations. Cavallo was the first to go. Then de la Ra. And one week after that, a new wave of demonstrations brought down another government. JAMES PETRAS has worked for the past two years with the unemployed movement in Argentina. Petras is the author of numerous books on Latin America--the most recent, co-authored with Henry Veltmeyer, is Globalization Unmasked: Imperialism in the 21st Century. He talked to ALAN MAASS about the uprising. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WHERE DID the spark for the December uprising come from? THE DRIVING force for these massive mobilizations has its roots in the large-scale, sustained activities of the unemployment movement. The unemployed workers movement has been gaining strength for the last five years. But in the last year, its spread throughout the country and has played a major role in securing subsistence programs from the government and public works for at least a sector of the unemployed. Its tactics are to paralyze the circulation of commodities and transportation. So the piqueteros, as theyre called, meaning "the picketers," block off major highways in order to make their demands. The ranks of the unemployed movement include a preponderance of women, especially woman heads of households, which has grown with the unemployment. In some areas, unemployment is probably 50 to 60 percent. So many of the piqueteros are factory workers with trade union experience. Many are young people whove never had a job. They organize and block the highways. Traffic piles up, trucks cant move, factories cant get supplies. These are the functional equivalents of factory workers downing their tools. In this case, instead of directly stopping production, they stop the inputs and outputs from production. Then the government can send the police down, in which case theres a whole confrontation. People have been killed, five or six recently in the north of Argentina. But the fear for the government is that if the confrontations continue, the crowds come in from the huge slums, and it could turn into a mini-civil war. So the government usually--after threats and mobilizations of police--negotiates an agreement. These agreements are discussed by the participants themselves. They dont delegate any leaders to go downtown. They make the government come to the highways, and the people there discuss what they should demand and what they should accept. Their experience with delegated leadership is that they go downtown, they sit in a big room with the government or with the trade union bureaucracy, and they usually get bought out. The leaders get some payoffs, even the militant leaders. Or they get drawn into some tripartite agreement, and the rank and file is sold out. So their activity is about direct representation, direct negotiation, direct action. These demonstrations have been enormously successful within the limited areas in which they operate. But recently, as early as September of last year, there were two national meetings trying to coordinate the committees from all the different cities and the regions and suburbs of Buenos Aries, and they created a kind of coordinating committee. But what they taught the population as a whole was that you cant rely on the politicians. You have to take action for yourself and from below. HOW DID the piqueteros struggles set the stage for the December demonstrations? I THINK that spirit began to manifest itself, even in downtown Buenos Aires, shortly before this latest uprising. There were several cases where grievances emerged, and shopkeepers and others decided to close off downtown streets. There was a huge debate within the movement, because the so-called progressive trade union leadership thought it could win over the middle class by blocking main streets but allowing alternative streets to function. This was opposed by the more militant unemployed movements, which said you either close the streets, or you dont. So this spirit captured the imagination of not only employed workers and, of course, the young people, but also the impoverished lower middle class, and even sectors of more affluent petty bourgeois, including shopkeepers, small businessmen and others who had accounts in the banks. When the government finally confiscated the savings--billions of dollars in savings--of the middle class, these layers also became involved in street demonstrations. This is an impoverished, radicalized middle class. Its a mistake to think of it as simply the middle class. These are people whove lost all their savings. They dont have money to pay their grocery bills, or their rents, or go on vacations, or what have you. So under the example of the unemployed workers, you had a coming together of various strands of the population. You had the great mass of unemployed who were involved in some kind of informal economy. You had employed workers who hadnt been paid because the accounts of their employers are frozen. And you have a great mass of public employees and shopkeepers and others forming a very broad front against the bankers. The bankers have been able to get their money out. By using the purchase of Argentine stocks on the New York Stock Exchange, they have no problem getting their money out of the country. So this is very much a class phenomenon, in which the unemployed workers formed one pole, drawing the workers, the petty bourgeois and sectors of the middle class to the politics of extra-parliamentary struggle--to the politics of rejecting the major bourgeois parties. This, I think, is the dynamic. Now whether this middle class will be a strategic ally--whether theyll get a deal which allows them to take their money out of the banks--is an open question. But I think the most important factor in this is that mass action, more than all the ritual strikes of the trade union bureaucracy, led to the ouster of the main leaders of neoliberalism and the main spokesmen for U.S. banks and U.S. imperialism in the government at that time. Each time, theyve been replaced by new faces, all coming within the framework of neoliberalism. Theres no way that the debt can be paid without precipitating a mass uprising--in which case, I think, the bourgeois parliamentary system will go down, and perhaps youll have a civil war, with the military coming into the picture. Nothing in the bourgeois press captures the degree of tension and polarization that exists in Argentina today. On the spot, activists and revolutionaries describe it as a pre-revolutionary situation. And certainly the degree of hostility to all the bourgeois parties and the degree of militancy of great masses of people would describe a pre-revolutionary situation. There isnt at this time an organized revolutionary party with roots and support. There are thousands of local activists and militants who engage in these activities, and there is a broad radicalization of consciousness among hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Argentinians today--unprecedented in recent times in Latin America. But the little left parties--all the Trotskyist and Marxist parties--spent most of their resources recently in electing officials to an impotent parliament. And nowhere have these parties--or the center-left, of course--exercised any kind of leadership. Theyve been out of sight. They issue manifestos; they sell their newspapers. In none of these growing mass confrontations--that are reaching proportions of hundreds of thousands in different cities--has there been any organized vanguard. There are militants from the unemployed movement, who have some kind of street-fighting experience and preparation. Programmatically, theyre clear as far as their immediate demands--which is massive employment projects, living wages, unemployment benefits, and of course, no payment of the debt. And some sectors are calling for the renationalization of the strategic sectors of the economy. WHAT WILL Duhaldes new government be like? THE CURRENT government of President Duhalde is clearly a provocation. Hes a man of the right, and hes organized, in the past, a political apparatus of thugs. Despite what the press says, he is capable of putting right-wing street fighters out--fascist-like groups that can draw on lumpens and some disoriented unemployed to challenge for hegemony in the streets and take pressure off the police. There already has been one major confrontation with, of course, police taking the side of Duhaldes Peronist thugs. But this is, I think, a dress rehearsal. There is no honeymoon period for Duhalde. Right as were speaking today, there are massive demonstrations in Argentina, and there are preparations for a big show of force when he announces his economic program late this afternoon. More than any recent events, were dealing with a country that has a long tradition of trade union, collective action. General strikes are more common in Argentina than in any country in the world. This is the country that has the biggest concentration of unemployed industrial workers in the world today. And thirdly, this is the country with the largest number of unemployed workers organized and engaged in direct action. What is, I think, necessary or missing in this context is a recognized political leadership that can carry this dynamic process forward to the creation of a workers government. I think the ensuing struggle is going to raise that question very acutely. We should keep in mind that the leadership in Washington will not rest until it buries that movement. And I think what you might see is the maintenance of the civilian political facade and the return of the military as a determining factor in politics. And thats like throwing wood on the fire. As we saw in the earlier dictatorship of 1976, it took 30,000 dead and disappeared to bury that movement. This time, there are many, many more activists and militants than there were at the height of the mobilizations in the 1960s and 1970s. YOU TALKED about the conservatism of labor leaders and the unions "ritual" general strikes. But havent the unions played a role in the resistance? YOU CANT just speak of a general strike in Argentina. There are general strikes, and there are general strikes. And everybody knows that in Argentina. You can talk to a cab driver, who, when you ask, "What do you think of this general strike?" will tell you that the bureaucrats are using it to blow off steam. Theyre one-day affairs with no active mobilizations or factory occupations. The employers know it, and the government knows it--that if they sit on their hands for one day, everything goes back to normal. So they have little consequences. Theres little mobilization and little in the way of activating the class and creating class consciousness. Theyre decided from above, and theyre shut off from above. There are three trade union confederations in Argentina. The official trade union is the CGT, which has allied itself with every government since the dictatorship--and even had arrangements with the dictatorship. Theres the CGT-Moyano--the dissident CGT led by Hugo Moyano, which has been critical of the official CGT for being so closely tied to the government. But in turn, this federation is run by another set of bureaucrats who utilize their opposition to the status quo to pressure the government to make concessions to their followers while maintaining a distance from any structural challenges. The third major union is the progressive CTA, which emerged as a rejection of the CGT and has many of the public-sector workers--workers who havent had any relief with the shutting down and cutting off of services and the firings of hundreds of thousands. The Moyano trade union bureaucracy has been more eager to engage in general strikes and to mobilize around specific issues. They use a great deal of populist rhetoric, but later negotiate on more narrow sectoral issues, constantly negotiating behind the backs of the workers. Thats why theyre distrusted by many sectors of the working class as being essentially an opportunistic opposition that is capable of putting people in the streets, but is also quite capable of bringing them out of the streets. The CTA has been the most active and radical of the trade unions, led by the ATE, the public employees union. They have been involved with the piqueteros and the unemployed. They have raised very important structural issues. However, they have not at any point called into question the capitalist system. Moreover, they have a tendency to engage in militant actions and then step back and negotiate. They have been conscious of their position as state employees--and therefore very much engaged in negotiating with the state and paying lip service to the rest of the working class. They say that we ought to unify the unemployed and the public employees. But the experience of the unemployed workers with the national leadership of the CTA--and, particularly, the ATE--has been that they become auxiliaries. And when the real negotiations take place, its over cutbacks in employment in the public sector. Thats why the unemployed decided to go and organize for themselves. Now, there are powerful sectors of the public employees unions, plus sectors of the teachers union, that have engaged in mass struggle and confrontations--and have suffered some injuries and deaths even in these great mobilizations. I think one has to distinguish between the national leadership--particularly of the CTA and to a lesser degree the Moyano group--and the rank and file. This is especially true in the provinces, where you will find very radical, very militant trade unionists, local leaders even, as well as the rank and file. For example, in Crdoba, in Salta, and in Neuqun, where the petroleum industry is located, you have a great number of trade union activists, some of whom have been influenced by the piqueteros, who have joined in struggles. WHAT DO these links between the unemployed movements and rank-and-file union members look like? I CAN give you an example. Hospital workers in Neuqun were protesting for weeks, trying to get rid of an abusive director. Finally, the director called the police in to stop the strikers from blocking the entrance to the hospital. Word got back to the unemployed. They jumped into their cars and buses--whatever transport was available--and went up there 300 strong. In less than an hour, the director was out, and the hospital workers elected a new director. That was an example of the kind of solidarity between the health workers and the piqueteros that occurs frequently in the interior of the country. I think this is a very promising development. But it has to be seen in context. The pronouncements coming from the general leaderships are not representative of what they do--and certainly dont correspond to the kinds of alliances which are building up at the grassroots level. Thats the significant thing. Im not saying that there arent individual leaders in some particular sector of industry whove displayed militancy. But the militancy today has to be understood in a very concrete sense. Where were the leaders of the ATE and the CTA during the December 20 protests? The militants tell me that they were under the bed. They were notable by their absence in those great days that brought down the de la Ra government. They dont show face, as they say in Argentina. And that is very important, because action tells you a lot more than the speeches and programs. WHERE DO industrial workers fit into this picture of the labor movement? THE BULK of industrial workers are unemployed today. They used to be 40 percent of the labor force. Theyre under 20 percent today. So we have to think of the unemployed not as some kind of poor, urban street vendors. Were talking about Argentina. Were talking about guys that worked in auto plants, who were steelworkers, who were metallurgy and mechanical workers. When I spoke last May at a meeting in Argentina, I met a great many workers who had backgrounds in the trade unions. And whats even more interesting are the wives of former industrial workers. One of the things Ive noted is the militancy and high levels of participation of wives of industrial workers--wives whove taken on even more family responsibilities because their husbandshave become disoriented, in part because of long-term unemployment. The women are the ones to call them out on the picket line--to go down and be active in order to get a job. Because if youre not on the road blockage, youre not there to get a job when the assembly meets. To understand the union movement, think that the U.S. [AFL-CIO President John] Sweeney and the mainstream of the AFL-CIO would be in the CGT. The left-of-center of the AFL-CIO would probably be with Moyano, the dissident. Very few trade unionists would be with the CTA. And of course, the militant section of the CTA would be totally foreign to American trade unionism--or even most of European trade unionism today. We have to put this in perspective. The mass action and mass confrontations beginning on the 20th did more to change the political agenda and the physiognomy of the government than all the general strikes and symbolic protests of the trade unions in the last five or 10 years. The general strikes are important when they have a social content--when the workers occupy the factories and come out and face the government. Thats what I think these movements of the unemployed have. These are desperate people today. These are not employed workers fighting against a particular cutback. Theyve lost all their savings. Theyve been out of work for a long time. Many of them havent seen meat for months. This is a whole desperate mass of people that cuts across class lines--but in which class demands are articulated. WHAT ARE the prospects for the development of an organization or party that can take up the big political questions ahead? THE ORGANIZING principle of the struggle has been hunger. Thats what started the sacking of supermarkets in December, and the organization of these road blockages before that. You had what we might call survival demands for jobs--even low-paying public works jobs at $200 a month--and for food. Out of that struggle and organization, some of the more advanced workers in the movement--with trade union experience and some political experience--began to raise other issues, structural issues like repudiating the debt, large-scale public investments and the renationalization of strategic industries. There are Marxists and socialists who are involved in some of these organizations. But they are there as militants within these movements. They are not, certainly, the dominant force. And they certainly dont have the following in these movements to give leadership and direction--at least at this time. I think what you have is three levels. One is the grass roots, which is suffering horrendous deprivation. Heres a country that is one of the leading meat and grain producers in the world, and the workers are hungry. They dont have beef, they dont have pasta, they cant feed their kids--and they watch the trains taking tens of thousands of tons of meat to Buenos Aires to ship to Europe. So this is a provocation. Heres one of the most fertile areas in the world with large-scale unemployment and with hunger--unprecedented in the history of Argentina. Thats one level. The second level is the emerging leadership, which has a conception of structural changes that we might call anti-capitalist and populist. And then we have a third level, in which the issues of socialism and of a revolution come into play. While the government continues to avoid the measures to ameliorate the problems, increasingly the power within these mobilizations is moving toward the left. A month ago, the issue of foreign debt repudiation was a left-wing issue. Today, its the mainstream. The issue of massive public works was a left-wing issue. Today, its moved over into the mainstream. The renationalization of basic strategic industries had a very small group of supporters. Today, its gaining tens of thousands of adherents. Intervention in the banks was an issue for the minority. Today, its become a major issue. So the whole political debate has moved to the left, as the left begins to gain ideological hegemony. But its the ideas, not an organized left. >From socialist worker online MIYACHI TATSUO miyachi9 at gctv.ne.jp From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 13:21:20 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:21:20 +1100 Subject: ENRONs END."The magic of Capitalism." Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115073244.00a68020@pop.useoz.com> First a word from our sponsors,fine aussie ale and ... http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=118652&group=webcast "You're either with us or you're with the pretzels! " Bush announces. by The Snack Food Conspiracy. 10:48am Mon Jan 14 '02 Bush addresses the nation. This morning, Bush made a public announcement on the terrorist pretzel attack. In front of an anxious group of reporters, Bush stated, "You're either with us, or you're with the pretzels." This came after announcing the military operation, "Enduring Crunch," earlier in the day, where pretzel factories around the world will be bombed regardless of whether they produced the actual terrorist pretzels or not. "This will be a long battle and we must stand united against terrorist pretzels." http://www.corpwatch.org/ INTERNET POLITICS Homeland Security, Homeland Profits By: Wayne Madsen Posted: 12/21/2001 Government spy agencies seek new ways to monitor the Internet. Civil libertarians worry about privacy while software companies stand to make billions. Assassinating larry the series. OIL, GAS & COAL Enron: Pulling the Plug on Global Power By: Pratap Chatterjee Posted: 12/13/2001 How could one of the most wealthy and powerful corporations in the world go bust overnight? It turns out that the 7th largest US business was mostly smoke and mirrors.Like the whole system of Govt actually. From nobody at mix.winterorbit.com Mon Jan 14 23:43:57 2002 From: nobody at mix.winterorbit.com (Anonymous) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:43:57 +0100 Subject: [Reformatted] James Bovard On Fighting Terrorism, Saving Tyrants References: Message-ID: jei at alpha.hut.fi (Jei) writes: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:17:53 -0500 > From: Matthew Gaylor > To: Matthew Gaylor > Subject: James Bovard On Fighting Terrorism, Saving Tyrants > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:21:08 -0800 > To: freematt at coil.com > From: Jim Bovard > Subject: Matt - Fighting Terrorism, Saving Tyrants > > Matt: > Thought you might enjoy this bouquet for the war on terrorism. > take it easy, > Jim > > USA Today January 10, 2002 > > Don't bed down with tyrants to fight terrorism By James Bovard > > President Bush recently declared: "So long as anybody's terrorizing > established governments, there needs to be a war." Bush rightfully > sought international support for the campaign to put the al_Qaeda > terrorist network out of business. But the war on terrorism threatens > to become a license for tyranny. The United Nations is concerned that > an expansive call for governments to crack down on terrorism - a crime > that is not clearly defined - is spurring a surge of oppression around > the world. Los Angeles Times writer William Orme detailed some of the > ways governments are exploiting the new war to repress their citizens: > > The Cuban government, as part of its war on terrorism, added a new law > allowing the death penalty for anyone who uses the Internet to incite > political violence. > > Zimbabwe's war on terrorism includes a proposal to criminalize any > critical comment about President_dictator Robert Mugabe. > > Syria bragged to the U.N. that financial support for terrorists > was effectively curtailed by the absence of any private banking > system or independent charities, Orme reported. In other words, a > government that totally destroys freedom expects to be applauded as an > anti_terrorist superstar. > > Bacre Waly Ndiaye, a chief U.N. human_rights officer, recently > complained: "In some countries, non_violent activities have been > considered as terrorism, and excessive measures have been taken to > suppress or restrict individual rights, including the presumption of > innocence, the right to a fair trial, freedom from torture, privacy > rights, freedom of expression and assembly, and the right to seek > asylum." > > Many of these complaints, in fact, apply to the actions of the Bush > administration. A new law decimates individual privacy by giving the > FBI the de facto right to vacuum up practically anyone's e_mail. > Permanent resident aliens who publicly criticize the U.S. government's > war on terrorism can be banned from re_entering the United States. > Some have floated the suggestion that permitting the torture of > suspects could help avert future terrorist attacks. And Bush's > executive order for military tribunals threatens to bring unsavory > aspects of Third World "justice" to American shores. > > A myopic focus on private_sector criminals risks giving a green light > to more dangerous government abuses. A core fallacy of the war on > terrorism - as opposed to attacking and destroying al_Qaeda - is that > terrorism is worse than anything else imaginable. Unfortunately, > governments have committed far worse abuses than al_Qaeda or any other > terrorist cabal. > > Official murderers Mass murder was the most memorable achievement of > some 20th_century governments. The Black Book of Communism, a 1997 > scholarly French compendium, detailed how 85 million to 100 million > people came to die at the hands of communist regimes in the Soviet > Union, China, Cambodia and elsewhere. In Death by Government, R.J. > Rummel declared that some 170 million people were killed in one of > "the myriad ways governments have inflicted death on unarmed, helpless > citizens and foreigners." > > By raising terrorist attacks to the pinnacle of political evil, the > war on terrorism implicitly sanctifies whatever tactic governments use > in the name of repressing terrorism. But, in the long run, people have > far more to fear from governments than from terrorists. > > Bush's labeling of attacks on any "established government" as > a justification of counterterrorism ignores the fact that some > governments are little more than criminal conspiracies against > their victims. The United States was created as a result of popular > uprisings and attacks on an established government that was far less > oppressive than many current regimes in Africa and Asia. > > The Bush administration must find a way to fight terrorism without > sanctifying tyranny. The word "terrorism" must not become an > incantation that miraculously razes all existing limits on government > power. The fact that governments such as Syria and Zimbabwe can > justify their oppression by invoking the war against terrorism is an > embarrassment to anyone who both opposes terrorism and favors human > rights. > > James Bovard is the author of Lost Rights (St. Martin's Press, 1994) > and Freedom in Chains (St. Martin's, 1999). > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/comment/2002/01/10/ncguest2.htm > > ********************************************************************** > Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues > Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words > subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated > (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: > 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ > ********************************************************************** From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 13:44:06 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:44:06 +1100 Subject: Tim May,Gutless conservative,fake anarchist and serial pest is hiding or running? Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115083427.00a68ba0@pop.useoz.com> Subject: Re: [Www-newswire] Fwd: [general] Bill White - Fascist and Indymedia Troll (Bill White is an east coast Tim May.) "*** **** wrote: > > Sounds to me like they've mixed up two groups. > > anarchists and libertarians. > > And for better or worse, there are nowadays a LOT of conservative > libertarians who call themselves "anarchist." In my opinion they've > usurped that word. There doesn't seem to be anything anarchistic > about conservative libertarianism. The fastest way to sort that one > out with someone would be to ask them if they're pro or anti police-state. > > Somewhere within how they define their acceptance of some or all of > a police-state they clarify that they're definitely not anarchist. Actually, there are many American libertarians, but very few people who are right or conservative anarchists. Since Seattle, their numbers have gotten even smaller, with many people finding out what anarchism is really about. Anarchists have been debating these few "anarcho-capitalists" for nearly a decade. More information on this debate and the nature of so-called right-wing anarchism can be found online at: http://www.infoshop.org/faq/ http://world.std.com/~mhuben/leftlib.html The search through the caves of corralitos goes on. From schear at lvcm.com Tue Jan 15 09:47:41 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:47:41 -0800 Subject: The vital private archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020115091051.0470d500@pop3.lvcm.com> At 11:15 AM 1/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > F. Marc de Piolenc[SMTP:piolenc at mozcom.com] wrote: > > > > > > Dear Michael, > > > > Michael Motyka wrote: > > > > > > Hack CD burners to add a SetBurnerIDCode command. > > > > Sorry. Could you expand on the significance of this for non-programmers? > > What does this command accomplish? Is it in firmware? > > >CD burners place a unique BurnerIDCode onto each CD-R that they >write. Thus, a CD-R can be associated with the machine that made >it, much as color copiers place their serial numbers on copies they >make. > >Of course, this serves no useful purpose for the average user, but >narcs out software pirates or samizdat publishers. > >"You may not speak anonymously on CD-R". > >I don't know what level of work would be required to modify it. There are probably two major hurdles: reverse engineering the firmware and getting the new code into the device. The second is probably the hardest. Because of high volume production techniques the processor-memory chips are probably not field programmable. Even if they were or field programmable equivalents were available they are likely mounted using BGA (Ball Grid Array) techniques. Very difficult to remove and re-insert without expensive equipment. steve From mmotyka at lsil.com Tue Jan 15 08:49:43 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:49:43 -0700 Subject: The vital private archive Message-ID: <3C445DA7.B1146491@lsil.com> "F. Marc de Piolenc" wrote : >Dear Michael, > >Michael Motyka wrote: >> >> Won't it be wonderful if the Court rules in favor of the 1st? >> >> OTOH, why trust in a corruptible legal system? >> >> Use cash and don't leave the ID information at the goddam bookstore in >> the first place. If you're going to keep the book and you can't deduct >> it, peel stickers, destroy receipts. Duh! > >That's fine for the clued-in folk like us, but what the bookdealers are >fighting for is the vital but fragile asset of consumer confidence. Joe >Sixpack is going to think twice about buying a book on sexual impotence >- not to mention the Anarchist Cookbook - if he thinks Big Brother is >going to be following his purchases. So a favorable court decision will >mean much to the trade. > Both responses are required. >> It is time for books to be published on CD. Using open-source tools and >> good encryption, then the fascists can't even tell what you read. Unless >> your OS is corrupted. > >E-books are already a fact, but most are sold with the same retail >machinery as regular books, so changing the medium doesn't change the >risk. > I mean something more along the lines of encrypting each of your electronic books and burning it to a CD. Nobody should be able to tell by looking what you read, nobody should be able to compromise someone else's library. Then the issue of reading habits become null. All tools should be open source. Essentially they already exist - just need a little packaging. >> Hack CD burners to add a SetBurnerIDCode command. > >Sorry. Could you expand on the significance of this for non-programmers? >What does this command accomplish? Is it in firmware? > Each data set written to a CDR contains a mfg id code and a unit serial number. This is stored in FLASH or ROM somewhere and the firmware simply includes this info when writing - probably in some header somewhere. I don't remember, it's been ten years since I looked at CD formats. I don't know exactly how much work this would be but I would guess that it is very feasible. Simply put it might be nice to have a raw read/write capability. >> Gather, duplicate and distribute widely state, federal >> and unpopular information that is quickly disappearing. > >Yes! I've been doing that for about 20 years, but I'm fettered now by >not being able to visit my favorite research libraries in the States. > It's a huge problem, literally. There are bazillions of MB of data out there in the form of maps, R&D reports and other stuff. Shrub and his corpfasc entourage are going to delete it from the public space over the next few years. From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 14:57:59 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:57:59 +1100 Subject: True Names reviewed on /.Transparent nonsense. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115093453.00a65eb0@pop.useoz.com> Our resident snitch and shill has this to say... >>... this to say about our Resident Author: "Timothy May, who is perhaps best known for his ranting posts ...<< Extract: Our resident author? Whats this "our" whiteman! Tim may be rsa approved and good for Bidnoz,but he is an author like the shrub is a president.He has thrown together some stuff like the cyphernomencon,eons ago that is a mile wide and a fraction of an inch thick.He writes the odd good review or put down or blast or even joke,but AUTHOR!? PLEASE.He may join the list of thinnest books of the world one day but I fear he's getting senile.How many dud predictions can you make in one forum? How many times can you bitch about your Home State for over 5 years and not just MOVE? And how many times can you call for the nuclear destruction of the innocent majority of a terminally corrupt city? Also how often can you call for an untested pipe dream of "anarcho-capitalism"? And duck debate on proven anarcho-syndicalist alternatives? How often can you repel minorities,steal and distort ideas,twist the meaning of concepts 180' while collecting arms and laying in supplies like Kurt Saxon? Lastly how long can you stem the slide of the terminally egocentric into a west coast Bill White? Tim? From ericm at lne.com Tue Jan 15 10:26:24 2002 From: ericm at lne.com (Eric Murray) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:26:24 -0800 Subject: Blueberry encryption for boston pigs? In-Reply-To: ; from nobody@xganon.com on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 10:44:46AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020115102624.A6756@slack.lne.com> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 10:44:46AM -0600, xganon wrote: > We are interested in the 'encryption' used in these > over-the-air queries... ARDIS, the protocol the Blackberry uses, does an XOR with a 32 bit constant of the day. Eric From freematt at coil.com Tue Jan 15 07:40:05 2002 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:40:05 -0500 Subject: Kabul Takes Steps Toward Disarming Afghan Population Message-ID: From nobody at xganon.com Tue Jan 15 08:44:46 2002 From: nobody at xganon.com (xganon) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:44:46 -0600 Subject: Blueberry encryption for boston pigs? Message-ID: We are interested in the 'encryption' used in these over-the-air queries... ........... http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAUW7L9HWC.html Handhelds Join Handcuffs at Boston Airport in Fight Against Terrorism By Leslie MillerAssociated Press Writer Published: Jan 15, 2002 BOSTON (AP) - A pager-sized device that's more likely to be found in a Wall Street briefcase than on a state trooper's belt may take its place in the war against terrorism. Logan International Airport is the first in the nation to test the BlackBerry as an electronic gateway to state and federal criminal databases, giving law enforcement officers the kind of immediate information resource they've longed for, but lacked. The wireless devices, made by Waterloo, Ontario-based Research in Motion since 1999, are ubiquitous in the corporate world, particularly by businesspeople who spend a lot of time away from their desks and need to check e-mails or surf the World Wide Web. The BlackBerries being tested at Logan are packaged with software that lets officers send encrypted queries to state and federal databases over a wireless network and get responses in less than a minute. State trooper Barry Newell carries his BlackBerry on patrols around Logan. With the device, Newell can check whether a suspicious person is on the FBI's terrorist watch list - without using a radio, dispatcher, cruiser or computer. "The beauty of this system is you can do it yourself," Newell said. Logan officials are using the system as part of their effort to strengthen security after 10 terrorists boarded two passenger jets on Sept. 11 and crashed them into the World Trade Center. The BlackBerry patrols began two months ago after Aether Systems Inc., which makes the PocketBlue software, offered to let Logan try the $89-a-month devices for free. Aether said airports in three other major cities are considering similar tests, but declined to say where. At Logan, 10 troopers who'd been trained in counterterrorism were taught to scroll through the BlackBerry's menu and send simple queries to a distant computer about a suspect's criminal history. A "hit" automatically sends an alarm to other troopers carrying a BlackBerry. It's more efficient than a phone or radio query. "If you go and ask for a couple of registration checks through a dispatcher, they'll get a little upset because you're adding to the workload," said Gerald Burke, director of the New England Law Enforcement Management Institute. Newell said he's identified several stolen cars in Logan's parking using the device. Whether the BlackBerries could have helped prevent the terrorist attacks isn't clear because the watch list only came into being after Sept. 11, FBI spokeswoman Gail Marcinkiewicz said. "There was intelligence information out there," she said. "But the watch list as we know it, as of Sept. 11, that format did not exist." State Police Capt. Thomas Robbins, Logan's interim public safety director, thinks the BlackBerry-toting troopers may become a permanent fixture at the airport, which is trying everything from facial recognition systems to training ticket agents to recognize suspicious activity. Aether's PocketBlue software was launched in June and is now being used by law enforcement agencies in seven states, said David Grip, marketing director for the mobile government division of the company, which has headquarters in Owings Mills, Md. "Since Sept. 11, there's now a focus within airports and port authorities to use the product," he said, adding Logan is the first airport to try it. Law enforcement agencies are also using the software in Ohio, Florida, California, Minnesota and the District of Columbia, he said. There may be a market for the software, but, "there's a little bit of a feeding frenzy," said Tim Quillin, an analyst with Stephens Inc. in Little Rock, Ark. Federal transportation officials are open to the experiment. "We're interested and looking at anything that might improve transportation security," said Paul Takemoto, spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration. From mattd at useoz.com Mon Jan 14 15:57:40 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:57:40 +1100 Subject: Bill Scannell as Dirty harry. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115105027.00a698c0@pop.useoz.com> Hey kids Google can do something! "Car 64 -- Where are You?" The December 1999 Physical Meeting of the San Francisco Bay Area Cypherpunks will feature community-building discussions with senior members of the SF Police Department Academy staff, including a short presentation of the SFPD Academy's history, mission and future by our host Lt. Lon Ramlan, discussions of the state of the SFPD's computer crime facilities and technology with senior members of the investigative staff and an opportunity to offer our thoughts on computer crime, network security and privacy concerns to interested and open-minded SFPD Academy leadership. We'll also enjoy a short presentation by the Society of Former Primes' director of disinformation, Bill Scannell on safe sex with P.I.Gs. Squeal like a pig Boy! From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Tue Jan 15 08:15:54 2002 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:15:54 -0500 Subject: The vital private archive Message-ID: > F. Marc de Piolenc[SMTP:piolenc at mozcom.com] wrote: > > > Dear Michael, > > Michael Motyka wrote: > > > > Hack CD burners to add a SetBurnerIDCode command. > > Sorry. Could you expand on the significance of this for non-programmers? > What does this command accomplish? Is it in firmware? > CD burners place a unique BurnerIDCode onto each CD-R that they write. Thus, a CD-R can be associated with the machine that made it, much as color copiers place their serial numbers on copies they make. Of course, this serves no useful purpose for the average user, but narcs out software pirates or samizdat publishers. "You may not speak anonymously on CD-R". I don't know what level of work would be required to modify it. 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Thank You. ============================================================================ ================ From mmotyka at lsil.com Tue Jan 15 10:26:29 2002 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:26:29 -0700 Subject: CD Burner Link Message-ID: <3C447455.F589B0A1@lsil.com> Steve, Take a look at : http://www.cdrecordingsoftware.com/acer4406eu.html Seems like there are quite a few products that are built this way. Maybe people have come to expect expect bugs in released SW and are willing to take the price hit for FLASH. In any event I think it's something that can be done and has value for the privacy aware. Actually getting it done is an entirely separate issue. As is the issue of the effort required to support mutliple brands and models. Damn it. Mike From schear at lvcm.com Tue Jan 15 11:29:45 2002 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:29:45 -0800 Subject: Content protection plan targets wireless home networks In-Reply-To: <80213b261e0e8bbf8912ca6fef25b105@xganon.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020115112505.040bddb8@pop3.lvcm.com> At 01:02 PM 1/15/2002 -0600, xganon wrote: >Valenti & other mafioso worried about wireless >(consumer fair use) broadcasting > > >http://eetimes.com/story/OEG20020111S0060 > >"Content protection plan targets wireless home networks" Valenti's mob will try to use trademarks and patents to prevent licensing of open communication systems connected to entertainment HW. Except for burnings at the stake the script is pretty much following the Catholic Church vs. The Press. The end result will likely be similar: a new balance of power and liberties will be struck, probably with the consumer coming up on top. steve From ericm at lne.com Tue Jan 15 11:31:16 2002 From: ericm at lne.com (Eric Murray) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:31:16 -0800 Subject: Blueberry encryption for boston pigs? In-Reply-To: <3C44145F.2207.A1BFD2@localhost>; from georgemw@speakeasy.net on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 11:37:03AM -0800 References: ; <20020115102624.A6756@slack.lne.com> <3C44145F.2207.A1BFD2@localhost> Message-ID: <20020115113115.A7379@slack.lne.com> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 11:37:03AM -0800, georgemw at speakeasy.net wrote: > On 15 Jan 2002, at 10:26, Eric Murray wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 10:44:46AM -0600, xganon wrote: > > > We are interested in the 'encryption' used in these > > > over-the-air queries... > > > > > > ARDIS, the protocol the Blackberry uses, does an XOR > > with a 32 bit constant of the day. > > > > > > Eric > > You're kidding, right? Probably not. I haven't seen the spec so I'm not 100% sure, but this is the info I dug up after 10 minutes of googling. http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-9904.html "And the Mobitex protocol used by ARDIS and RAM mobile for wireless email is another example of something that is complex for error correction and robustness but has essentially no security. And software for monitoring this circulates around the net as well. ARDIS does use XORing with a 32 bit constant of the day to provide some fig leaf of security, but obviously determining the constant is trivial..." Sad, isn't it? Eric From georgemw at speakeasy.net Tue Jan 15 11:37:03 2002 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:37:03 -0800 Subject: Blueberry encryption for boston pigs? In-Reply-To: <20020115102624.A6756@slack.lne.com> References: ; from nobody@xganon.com on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 10:44:46AM -0600 Message-ID: <3C44145F.2207.A1BFD2@localhost> On 15 Jan 2002, at 10:26, Eric Murray wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 10:44:46AM -0600, xganon wrote: > > We are interested in the 'encryption' used in these > > over-the-air queries... > > > ARDIS, the protocol the Blackberry uses, does an XOR > with a 32 bit constant of the day. > > > Eric You're kidding, right? George From piolenc at mozcom.com Mon Jan 14 19:53:26 2002 From: piolenc at mozcom.com (F. Marc de Piolenc) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:53:26 +0800 Subject: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention References: Message-ID: <3C43A7B6.6FB306D0@mozcom.com> Petro wrote: > > On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 04:27 AM, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > >> What's good for the goose should be good for the gander, ya? > > > > Nonsense. No reasonable definition of criminal conduct would put the US > > government and al-Quaeda in the same category. > > How about Criminal Conduct meaning "Actions violate the laws". > > The USG *HAS* done that from time to time you know. Maybe not as > baldly as al-Quaeda, but it has done so. Okay, let's try a concrete example: A commits the offense of blocking another's driveway with his automobile. B commits murder. Is A in the same category as B? If yes, then I have to concede the argument, because as you say the US government is not Simon-pure. I do, however, make a distinction. Marc de Piolenc From mixmaster at remailer.segfault.net Tue Jan 15 03:09:11 2002 From: mixmaster at remailer.segfault.net (Anonymous Coredump) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:09:11 +0100 (CET) Subject: cryptography within 1000 ft of churches, schools, playgrounds, cit In-Reply-To: <20020115070011.11870.qmail@nym.alias.net> References: <20020115070011.11870.qmail@nym.alias.net> Message-ID: <07e0fb6bd282a3f452d5222a9eba7011@remailer.segfault.net> [The idiomatiche expressions do not translate well to Babelfish. Imbarazzarlo towards the outside.] > http://latimes.com/news/local/la-000003663jan14.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dcalifornia > > Civic leaders have been presented with a proposal that would be > among the toughest gun laws in the state, making it nearly impossible > for new retailers to sell firearms. All in a city where gun violence is > minimal. The proposed law, drafted by Councilman Chris Mears, > would make it illegal to sell firearms within 1,000 feet of churches, > schools, playgrounds or city-owned buildings. In Irvine, almost every > commercial center is within a short walking distance of one or more of > those. It is certain. Impossible it is to urinate without striking the yard of the temple or the game or the building or the school of the government. In a city in where the pigs do not have any better thing with doing than to give outside tickets the smokers who have ends when fucking is even no ash tray around, it astonishes the drain-heart of some kisses would think that it is necessary. Who wishes to bet that this asshole has its own security, uniforms in safe Irvine? > We can't shoulder a gun to fight the enemy," said Chris Mears, an > Irvine attorney leading the campaign > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-093001voices.story At least it gives twit the advantage of the complete quotation: "In this time of crisis, most of us can't lift a pick and shovel to aid the rescue effort. We can't shoulder a gun to fight the enemy," said Chris Mears, an Irvine attorney leading the campaign [to fly to New York on Veterans Day to spend money there]. "We view this as an act of economic patriotism." > Some folks just need killin' Yes. From adam at homeport.org Tue Jan 15 09:19:28 2002 From: adam at homeport.org (Adam Shostack) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:19:28 -0500 Subject: registering Cypherpunks movement ... In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20020114134852.0339a180@idiom.com>; from bill.stewart@pobox.com on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 01:56:27PM -0800 References: <5.0.2.1.1.20020114134852.0339a180@idiom.com> Message-ID: <20020115121928.A7071@weathership.homeport.org> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 01:56:27PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: | We don't have any officers - so the report becomes the null set. | And some of us belong to religions that forbid making oaths, | while the oaths you'd get from other non-officers are more like | " I'm not filling out this form" I thought Detweiler and Vlad Nury were our officers? ;) PS, in the "Its a good thing we don't have crypto dept: http://faa.gov/ATpubs/MIL/Ch7/mil0701.html#7-1-6 -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume From nobody at xganon.com Tue Jan 15 11:02:21 2002 From: nobody at xganon.com (xganon) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:02:21 -0600 Subject: Content protection plan targets wireless home networks Message-ID: <80213b261e0e8bbf8912ca6fef25b105@xganon.com> Valenti & other mafioso worried about wireless (consumer fair use) broadcasting http://eetimes.com/story/OEG20020111S0060 "Content protection plan targets wireless home networks" From piolenc at mozcom.com Mon Jan 14 21:45:42 2002 From: piolenc at mozcom.com (F. Marc de Piolenc) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:45:42 +0800 Subject: The vital private archive References: <3C4318C8.83540644@lsil.com> Message-ID: <3C43C206.59DD1600@mozcom.com> Dear Michael, Wow - two minds with but one set of thoughts. Michael Motyka wrote: > > Won't it be wonderful if the Court rules in favor of the 1st? > > OTOH, why trust in a corruptible legal system? > > Use cash and don't leave the ID information at the goddam bookstore in > the first place. If you're going to keep the book and you can't deduct > it, peel stickers, destroy receipts. Duh! That's fine for the clued-in folk like us, but what the bookdealers are fighting for is the vital but fragile asset of consumer confidence. Joe Sixpack is going to think twice about buying a book on sexual impotence - not to mention the Anarchist Cookbook - if he thinks Big Brother is going to be following his purchases. So a favorable court decision will mean much to the trade. > It is time for books to be published on CD. Using open-source tools and > good encryption, then the fascists can't even tell what you read. Unless > your OS is corrupted. E-books are already a fact, but most are sold with the same retail machinery as regular books, so changing the medium doesn't change the risk. > Hack CD burners to add a SetBurnerIDCode command. Sorry. Could you expand on the significance of this for non-programmers? What does this command accomplish? Is it in firmware? > Gather, duplicate and distribute widely state, federal > and unpopular information that is quickly disappearing. Yes! I've been doing that for about 20 years, but I'm fettered now by not being able to visit my favorite research libraries in the States. If you have personal contacts at US depository libraries that are now being forced to destroy "sensitive" material, you will do mankind and freedom a service by arranging to take that material off their hands. Librarians have very strong instincts for preserving books - they don't like to burn them. If they trust you to make the stuff disappear and not reveal their help, you'll get it all. Other stuff turns up in library sales, pawnshops, thrift stores...all of which are currently out of my reach! > It's like F451 - private archives are the only way to save proscribed > information. The other side of the coin is research/reprinting services like mine, which make the private archives available to others as copies and scans. I also trade 2:1 (for very useful stuff, 3:1) for stuff I want. In other words, you give me 100 pages of stuff I want, and I give you 200 (or 300) pages of stuff that I have and you want. At present, that and downloads are the only mechanisms by which I'm able to expand my collection. Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Philippines http://www89.pair.com/techinfo/ (or see my catalog on ABE) From piolenc at mozcom.com Mon Jan 14 21:47:48 2002 From: piolenc at mozcom.com (F. Marc de Piolenc) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:47:48 +0800 Subject: James Bovard On Fighting Terrorism, Saving Tyrants References: Message-ID: <3C43C284.86697E2@mozcom.com> Jei wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:17:53 -0500 > From: Matthew Gaylor > To: Matthew Gaylor > Subject: James Bovard On Fighting Terrorism, Saving Tyrants > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:21:08 -0800 > To: freematt at coil.com > From: Jim Bovard > Subject: Matt - Fighting Terrorism, Saving Tyrants > > Matt: > Thought you might enjoy this bouquet for the war on terrorism. > take it easy, > Jim > > USA Today January 10, 2002 > > Don't bed down with tyrants to fight terrorism > By James Bovard > > President Bush recently declared: "So long as anybody's > terrorizing established governments, there needs to > be a war." > Bush rightfully sought international support for the campaign > to put the al_Qaeda terrorist network out of > business. But the > war on terrorism threatens to become a license for tyranny. > The United Nations is concerned that an expansive call for > governments to crack down on terrorism - a crime that is not > clearly defined - It IS clearly defined - and by the same government that is now ignoring the definition. Marc de Piolenc From hooty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 06:02:00 2002 From: hooty at hotmail.com (hooty at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:02:00 -0000 Subject: UNBELIEVEABLE HOT TEEN SEX !!! FREE SEX SHOWS!! Message-ID: <200201152159.g0FLxd56010006@ak47.algebra.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 2871 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hooty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 06:02:24 2002 From: hooty at hotmail.com (hooty at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:02:24 -0000 Subject: UNBELIEVEABLE HOT TEEN SEX !!! FREE SEX SHOWS!! Message-ID: <200201152200.g0FM0356010081@ak47.algebra.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 2871 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mdpopescu at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 04:10:45 2002 From: mdpopescu at yahoo.com (Marcel Popescu) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:10:45 +0200 Subject: Dmitry Sklyarov: no plea Message-ID: <00a801c19dbd$a9215bc0$5600a8c0@mark> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/983 On Wednesday night, I spoke with Dmitry Skylarov at a small event to celebrate his homegoing, hosted by the EFF. Dmitry told me that he was upset with the U.S. Attorney's misrepresentation of his agreement with them. Specifically, Dmitry says that: He still works for Elcomsoft and has no intention of leaving anytime soon. (The announcement from the U.S. Attorney's Office described Elcomsoft as Dmitry's "former employer.") There was no plea bargain made between Dmitry and the U.S. Attorney's Office (As the same announcement would lead you to believe: "...(Sklyarov) admitted his conduct in a hearing before U.S. District Judge Whyte in San Jose Federal Court. Under the agreement, Mr. Sklyarov agreed to cooperate with the United States in its ongoing prosecution of Mr. Sklyarov's former employer...") Dmitry's story has not changed: he still maintains that both he and his employer are not guilty of any misconduct. Joe Burton's Statement 12_19_01 I want to state, for the record, that we, the defense, feel that there has been an injustice done to Dmitry Sklyarov and ElcomSoft. The U. S. Attorney's December 13th Press Release is a cleverly crafted statement that promotes the notion that Dmitry admits wrongful conduct and has entered into a Plea Agreement with the U.S. Government. I categorically reject the notion that there is any admission of wrongful conduct on the part of Dmitry Sklyarov, he has simply agreed to tell his story, which I might add is the identical story he has consistently told since day one of his arrest. In addition there is, quite simply, NO Plea Agreement. He has agreed to testify for the U. S. Government, if called and he will testify for ElcomSoft, if called. I also want to set the record straight on the issue of Dmitry's employment with ElcomSoft. Dmitry has been employed since April 2000 and he remains employed by ElcomSoft and will continue his employment with ElcomSoft. It is not unexpected that the U.S. Attorneys would look for a way to "save face" in this case, however to do so, at the expense of Dmitry is completely unacceptable to me. Dmitry Sklyarov's Statement 12/19/01 I would like to express my heartfelt appreciation to each person who has supported and contributed to me during my detention, these past 5 months. Naturally, I am very happy about returning to Russia and at the prospect of getting back to my family and friends. I am excited about spending the holidays in my homeland. There are two points I wish to address, today. The first point is this: I am extremely disappointed with any implication that I am, in any way, cooperating with the government. My perspective is simply this: I am a man of integrity and as such am doing nothing more that telling the truth... I am not for or against anyone. Secondly, there seems to have been some confusion as to my employment status with ElcomSoft. I would like to clear up this confusion. I have been employed by ElcomSoft since April 2000 and will continue to be employed in the future. As a matter of fact, I have remained ElcomSoft's long distance "virtual" employee throughout these past 5 months while detained, here in the United States. ElcomSoft Founder/CEO Alex Katalov's Statement 12/19/01 First, let me say that the Diversion Agreement, reached between Dmitry Sklyarov and the US Attorney's office last Thursday (December 13, 2001) was reached with ElcomSoft's complete knowledge, cooperation and our unfailing support for our employee, Dmitry Sklyarov. Neither ElcomSoft nor our legal team sees this agreement in any way counterproductive to our ongoing case, nor do we feel that Dmitry's testimony will be anything but supportive to our case. All that Dmitry has to do is to tell the truth; we, of course, welcome that; the truth will never change regardless of who calls Dmitry as a witness: the prosecution or the defense, or both. >From the company's standpoint, Dmitry's agreement serves ElcomSoft well. It provides us with the freedom and flexibility to pursue our best legal strategy without worrying about the possibility that Dmitry could face jail. From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Tue Jan 15 11:51:57 2002 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:51:57 -0500 Subject: Blueberry encryption for boston pigs? Message-ID: > Eric Murray[SMTP:ericm at lne.com] > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 11:37:03AM -0800, georgemw at speakeasy.net wrote: > > On 15 Jan 2002, at 10:26, Eric Murray wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 10:44:46AM -0600, xganon wrote: > > > > We are interested in the 'encryption' used in these > > > > over-the-air queries... > > > > > > ARDIS, the protocol the Blackberry uses, does an XOR > > > with a 32 bit constant of the day. > > > > > > Eric > > > > You're kidding, right? > > Probably not. I haven't seen the spec so I'm not 100% sure, but > this is the info I dug up after 10 minutes of googling. > http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-9904.html > > Eric > I've done a little work with Blackberries (aka RIM pagers). I can't answer for ARDIS (which is the network), but on top of that, the pagers run their own protocol. This is encrypted with 3DES, using shared secret keys agreed between the device and the server while the device is being sync'd in it's cradle. I don't know how the keys are derived, or how often they are changed. The system seemed reasonably non-snakeoily to me, at least against aerial intercepts. Peter Trei ============================================================================ ================ This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any third party or use the contents, attachments or information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. Thank You. ============================================================================ ================ From frissell at panix.com Tue Jan 15 11:57:30 2002 From: frissell at panix.com (Duncan Frissell) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:57:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Deformed Consent Message-ID: http://meek.sublette.com/roundup/v95n1/v95n1s2.htm "They told me they were there to search the house. I asked then if they had a warrant," said Mr. Storer. They did not. An ATF agent instead presented Mr. Storer with a consent form to sign allowing the ATF agents and the Sheriff's deputies to search his trailer. Mr. Storer, still in his pajamas and his hands on his head, surrounded by armed officers, was given an option. He and his girlfriend, who was wearing a t-shirt and little else, could wait outside in the cold until the ATF could obtain a warrant on a Sunday morning, or he could just sign the consent. **** Kids, if this happens to you don't worry. Consent obtained at gunpoint is not considered voluntary even in our debased system. Always safer not to consent though. DCF ---- Both the Magna Carta and the Declaration of Independence consider immigration a natural right which governments should not violate. From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jan 15 13:13:10 2002 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:13:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: Yemen - Public Announcement (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:36:09 -0500 From: PA List Manager To: DOSTRAVEL at LISTS.STATE.GOV Subject: Yemen - Public Announcement Yemen - Public Announcement January 14, 2002 The Department of State has received reports indicating a credible terrorist threat to U.S. interests in Yemen, including the U.S. Embassy. In response, the American Embassy in Sanaa has taken a number of measures to further increase its already hightened security posture. 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Don't Wait�If You Act Now You Can Capitalize on The World (Or Wait Until Someone Else Does)! To be removed: please reply with "remove" in subject line. From frissell at panix.com Tue Jan 15 13:03:48 2002 From: frissell at panix.com (Duncan Frissell) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:03:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Unites States, a Rogue terror state, violates Geneva Convention In-Reply-To: <9C13CBBC-096C-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Tim May wrote: > Why would it not? It was the regime controlling Afghanistan. Sure, it > was not the regime that signed the Geneva Accords of Whichever Type, but > neither is the Bush Jr. Administration the same as the Clinton, Bush > Sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, or > Truman Administrations. > > Nor is the Putin Administration the same as whatever band of brigands > ran Russia 50 years ago. And so on. > > The Taliban Regime was as much in the line of succession as any of > hundreds of other regimes. > > That the U.S. is choosing to ignore the Geneva Accords of Whichever Type > is, hopefully, one more nail in their coffin. > I was of course speaking of statements written in the "Law of Nations" programming language. If you use a different programming language, the code won't run. Like most of our legal discussions here, morality is not at issue just what opinions courts have expressed on various matters. The US was, in fact, convicted of war crimes in '86 in a trial at the International Court of Justice for air-sown mines in Nicaragua but nothing came of it. US treatment of those who formally declared war on it a half-dozen times since 1996 and initiated hostilities is not likely to constitute that entity's worst human rights violations. Perhaps not a rights violation at all in strict libertarian terms. Libertarian penal theory has not been well developed. Naturally we don't favor sticking prisoners in utopian socialist colonies (prisons). Slavery to the victim or family is possible but difficult. "The Market for Liberty" suggested that crime would be so rare that shrinks would rent the few prisoners as study subjects but I doubt that's very realistic. There's always the payment of wergeld but the poor often can't pay. Since torture or execution are not strictly prohibited by the non-aggression axiom in the case of those who have agressed, there are likely to be differences among libertarians on the treatment of prisoners. Still an unresolved problem. DCF ---- "Ideally, the death penalty should be administered on the spot at the hands of the intended victim(s). (The UA 93 solution to the 11 September attacks.) From nobody at dizum.com Tue Jan 15 08:00:14 2002 From: nobody at dizum.com (Nomen Nescio) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:00:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: New crime: lying about an aviation radio Message-ID: Monday January 14 3:19 PM ET New Info on Student With Pilot Radio By LUKAS I. ALPERT, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK (AP) - An Egyptian student charged with lying about an aviation radio found in his hotel room near the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 was in the United States as part of a government-funded program. Abdallah Higazy was in the United States on a student visa through a program arranged by the U.S. Agency for International Development, agency spokeswoman Susan Phalen said Monday. The program trains Egyptian students in business, health, English and education, often by placing them at American universities. Higazy, 30, was enrolled in Polytechnic University in Brooklyn as a graduate student in computer engineering, according to the university. Higazy allegedly told the FBI to know nothing of the radio found in a room safe, but later admitted it was his. Prosecutors said he acknowledged knowing how to operate the radio, which pilots use to communicate with other planes and air traffic controllers, but gave conflicting accounts of how he got it. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20020114/us/attacks_aviation_radio_8.html ---------------------------------- "A Bay Area punk charged with lying about encryption software found in his hotel room near the Federal Building where anonymous threat was received ..." From tcmay at got.net Tue Jan 15 17:27:25 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:27:25 -0800 Subject: NSA crippling of crypto makes Congress vulnerable to attack In-Reply-To: <20020115113115.A7379@slack.lne.com> Message-ID: <3247E602-0A20-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Tuesday, January 15, 2002, at 11:31 AM, Eric Murray wrote: > Probably not. I haven't seen the spec so I'm not 100% sure, but > this is the info I dug up after 10 minutes of googling. > > > http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-9904.html > > "And the Mobitex protocol used by ARDIS and RAM mobile for wireless > email > is another example of something that is complex for error correction and > robustness but has essentially no security. And software for monitoring > this circulates around the net as well. ARDIS does use XORing with a > 32 bit constant of the day to provide some fig leaf of security, but > obviously determining the constant is trivial..." > > > Sad, isn't it? Something that's sad is that the National Security Agency has abdicated its role in helping to secure communications critical to these United States. To wit, its COMSEC role. Part of the charter of the NSA is to provide COMSEC for critical communications, including ensuring strong ciphers. Because it has spent much of the past decade trying to slow down strong encryption and introduce back doors into commercial products, the very consumer products that are now being bought in droves by Congressmen and other employees typically have extremely weak crypto in them. Blueberries and similar devices are now being given to Congressmen and other government employees and officials as a means of communicating with them in times of national emergency. Laptops with kiddie-grade disk security ("Datawhack uses a proprietary virtual one time pad which uses a secret algorithm to encrypt your disk") are the norm. Cellphones are easily interceptable. And this is, not surprisingly, what those inside the Beltway (and outside, actually, as the effective radius has pushed way out into the sprawl of Virginia and Maryland former horse country regions) are buying at their local Circuit City and Best Buy stores. Thank the NSA and folks like Dorothy Denning for stunting the implementation of good crypto in consumer products. Good to know that Al Quaida knows the ARDIS hacks and will have them ready to go when they strike next: Blueberry Emergency Alert to Rep. Barney Frank: "Rep. Frank, report soonest to this [isolated] location in the woods [where our agents can kill you]. signed, Agent Farr [Abdullah Al Ragheda]." --Tim May, Occupied America "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759. From anonymous at remailer.havenco.com Tue Jan 15 10:45:36 2002 From: anonymous at remailer.havenco.com (Anonymous User) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Publius in the Fiefdom of NY Message-ID: <32d41e4ebe9fdcf807706d7cd60299ac@remailer.havenco.com> [Ed: choice quote: "Everyone is a suspect"] http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38996.htm January 15, 2002 -- A new Web site devoted to local politics is breaking one scoop after another - but the one story it won't report is who's behind the effort. PoliticsNY.com, launched Dec. 3 as a sister site to PoliticsNJ.com, beat all the local media in disclosing how Mayor Bloomberg was trying to block Andrew Eristoff from becoming the Manhattan Republican leader. It also was first to reveal that former Mayor Rudy Giuliani was establishing his own repository for his official papers. "Everyone's all hyped up about the site," said City Councilwoman Christine Quinn (D-Manhattan). "You constantly get asked, did you see such and such on their Web site." Proud as they are of their exclusives, the authors - who appear to be well-connected - are no Matt Drudges: They won't step forward to claim credit. "We have chosen to remain anonymous, much like when James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and John Jay wrote the Federalist Papers under the pseudonym 'Publius,' " the writers proclaim in a message on the site. One City Hall official said he's treating "everyone as a suspect" because some of the stories have so much background information that "it can't be someone new to the scene." A Post source fingered the chief author as a former staffer in the Giuliani administration. From nobody at mix.winterorbit.com Tue Jan 15 10:15:17 2002 From: nobody at mix.winterorbit.com (Anonymous) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:15:17 +0100 Subject: All your addresses are belong to Microsoft Message-ID: <7076c778aaec071b946a60b2aa50b557@mix.winterorbit.com> >From slashdot: in the course of discovery for the ongoing lawsuit instigated by Microsoft against Lindows.com, the company was "compelled to disclose your email address to Microsoft." The email addresses aren't just those who have submitted product names with a connection to "Windows", but rather "everyone who had submitted their address asking to be signed up for the Lindows.com mailing list since we turned on the website," according to email from Robertson. He adds: "The information which Microsoft received in the list was name, email address and physical address. It was not just people that posted to our forum, but basically every address for every person that we had collected." From anonsend at cotsebay.cotse.net Tue Jan 15 11:40:42 2002 From: anonsend at cotsebay.cotse.net (AnonSend) Date: 15 Jan 2002 19:40:42 -0000 Subject: When prisoners of war aren't even close. Message-ID: <3WPVA84Y37271.6115972222@anonymous.poster> >ruling Taliban; the media claims this role for itself but does not do what it >is specially privileged to do, particularly in times of war and variations on >alleged national emergencies, primarily because much of the media is >organized to distribute simple-minded entertainment matters based on Apparently you didn't download the manual: http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Goebbels/ Check out Chapter 37. From tcmay at got.net Tue Jan 15 20:04:55 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:04:55 -0800 Subject: Mostly untraceable ordering of books by mail In-Reply-To: <3C44E788.AF957599@mozcom.com> Message-ID: <3312E359-0A36-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> On Tuesday, January 15, 2002, at 06:38 PM, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Michael Motyka wrote: > >>> E-books are already a fact, but most are sold with the same retail >>> machinery as regular books, so changing the medium doesn't change the >>> risk. >>> >> I mean something more along the lines of encrypting each of your >> electronic books and burning it to a CD. Nobody should be able to tell >> by looking what you read, nobody should be able to compromise someone >> else's library. Then the issue of reading habits become null. All tools >> should be open source. Essentially they already exist - just need a >> little packaging. > > That's pretty much what I understood you to say. The problem is that > somewhere in the bookdealers' and jobbers' archives, the sales record > will have to be accessible by title and by customer or customer > category. In the case of a cash sale, of course, there's no problem, but > if a credit card was involved the dealer has to be able to retrieve the > record by name in case there's a chargeback or complaint. So the > vulnerability to a police razzia still exists. For physical books, there's always physical cash. (Pace the "Uncle Fester's" book bought in the Denver bookstore, that the Feds want the bookstore to reveal the buyer of.) For online purchases, this trend of Feds snooping on reading habits could be a business opportunity for an anonymized online buying system. How could physical delivery be arranged? First, purchase with some form of untraceable credit card. Second, delivery to a local bookstore or even a Mailboxes, Etc., with pickup by matching the ID. For a small commission. (This should not be in violation of any laws. This is not a mail cover, nor a money changing, etc. operation. Just a package delivery service.) One can imagine t.v. cameras set up, but unlikely if there are thousands of such delivery sites. Organizations like the ACLU, EFF, etc. could even set up such book-ordering services, perhaps via liberty-sympathetic lawyers in various cities and towns, to make the PR point that such services are the only way around government snooping on the citizen-units. (Of course, any normal bookstore is free to order a book and then take cash for it. I've ordered books without ever leaving my name or number and then paying in cash. This works better for conventional books than it does for controversial books on bomb-making, pot-growing, or sex.) --Tim May "Ben Franklin warned us that those who would trade liberty for a little bit of temporary security deserve neither. This is the path we are now racing down, with American flags fluttering."-- Tim May, on events following 9/11/2001 From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 01:35:34 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:35:34 +1100 Subject: Shrubs wild years Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115203250.00a65ac0@pop.useoz.com> http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm Skeletons in the closet and black eyes. Quotes "One of the interesting initiatives we've taken in Washington, D.C., is we've got these vampire-busting devices. A vampire is aa cell deal you can plug in the wall to charge your cell phone."Denver, CO. Aug. 14, 2001 "Well, it's an unimaginable honor to be the president during the Fourth of July of this country. It means what these words say, for starters. The great inalienable rights of our country. We're blessed with such values in America. And I--it's--I'm a proud man to be the nation based upon such wonderful values."--Visiting the Jefferson Memorial, Washington, D.C., July 2, 2001 "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease."--After meeting with the leaders of the European Union, Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001 "It's very important for folks to understand that when there's more trade, there's more commerce."--Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001 "I've coined new words, like, misunderstanding and Hispanically."Radio-Television Correspondents Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 29, 2001 "I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well."Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2001 "Then I went for a run with the other dog and just walked. And I started thinking about a lot of things. I was able toI can't remember what it was. Oh, the inaugural speech, started thinking through that."Pre-inaugural interview with U.S. News & World Report, Jan. 22, 2001 issue "Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from peacekeepers is going to be an assignment."Interview with the New York Times, Jan. 14, 2001 (Thanks to Rachael Contorer.) "The California crunch really is the result of not enough power-generating plants and then not enough power to power the power of generating plants."Interview with the New York Times, Jan. 14, 2001 "They misunderestimated me."Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000 More at http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm From carlo at wirelesscellutions.com Tue Jan 15 17:36:02 2002 From: carlo at wirelesscellutions.com (Carlo Rodriguez) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:37:02 -0459 Subject: OEM Accessory BLOW OUT! Message-ID: <200201152146656.SM01048@carlo> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You will be removed automatically by our system. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1643 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 03:00:42 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:00:42 +1100 Subject: An Apology To mattd Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115213415.00a7a6e0@pop.useoz.com> >>Mattd, In a recent post to the cypherpunks mailing list, I implied that you were a borderline retarded, imbecilic loser with absolutely nothing of any interest to say. I was wrong.<< Actually I would have trouble arguing with that but for some few who listen and respond,not just directly but on lists,so I know I'm not alone. What I meant to say was that I believe you to be a sad, pathetic teenager << (Why thank you!) >>of limited intelligence who has never quite recovered from the wedgies meted out by your betters. << Last one to try got a split lip.It was so long ago I forget.Im 47,btw.How young did you say U were? And does Might make right? Meet Faustine and Tim and Marc,theres plenty of bullies and their bootlickers here. That you eschew the name your parents gave you in favor of the nom de perdant 'mattd' ( (door)matt?) proves well the point. Ah... the point mattT was taken? I've only been online a little over a year.Dont tread on me. >>If you somehow manage to gain employment despite the economic downturn and your limited qualifications, << I work the black seam,since the gst its exploded.Collapse of Govts predicted. >>you might find your self-respect improved << Some find it to high,you cant please everyone. >>to the point where you can contribute in a positive way to society.<< WTF! Is this Punks and Anarchy or the fucking junior woodchucks? BUCK you FUDDY! >>You can't live off federal welfare assistance forever. << Well the dole only lasted 10 years and the invalid pension 20 so I guess Ill have to go on the age pension soon.Your right.Crypto-anarchy will never happen right Bill? >>The quick service restaurant industry might well be a field where you can gain the discipline you'll need before approaching cypherpunk list members for a position as an entry-level assistant.<< I applied to Mc Donalds last May.Haven't heard back.Id like to be your funeral director. >>Feel free to threaten to have me killed.<< OK.Ill go you one better if you want. >>I haven't had a death threat in months. -Bill 777 --- 777 777 --- 777<< Your don't get out much do you. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin. Wonder what old ben would say about ad hominems? From kathy at artaxi.org Tue Jan 15 20:43:10 2002 From: kathy at artaxi.org (kathy) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:43:10 -0600 Subject: www.Aerotaxi.net Message-ID: <200201160443.WAA26229@einstein.ssz.com> www.Aerotaxi.net From kathy at artaxi.org Tue Jan 15 20:43:10 2002 From: kathy at artaxi.org (kathy) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:43:10 -0600 Subject: www.Aerotaxi.net Message-ID: <200201160443.WAA26228@einstein.ssz.com> www.Aerotaxi.net From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 03:46:58 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:46:58 +1100 Subject: Justine's Faust.Questions. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115223309.00a7e290@pop.useoz.com> >> The Tristan Chord: Wagner and Philosophy (Bryan Magee, 2001, 397 p.) When? Last week.<< Is there any mention of Bakunin and Wagner in Dresden during an 1848 era uprising? Its been suggested Siegfried might have been modelled on Bakunin at the barricades. The reviews of this book are worth a look at Amazon. >>VCR: the old BBC productions of Shakespeare's Timon of Athens, << Ever thought about greek birth control? The greek technique? >>The Merchant of Venice, << If I prick you...how does that go? Something about 2handfulls of flesh. >>Richard II, << Was he the one with the hump? >>and Henry IV part 1, one a night. << Thats good.Im lucky to get one a week. >>Some C-SPAN, bookTV on C-SPAN 2. << When Adam delved and Eve span,who then was the Gentleman? >>So the next time you feel like sniffing at somone else's << Pass. >>reading and leisure habits on the basis of age alone, perhaps it would be helpful to trouble yourself to learn the tiniest little bit about what they are, eh? Agh, back to work. :)<< Your right on Girlfriend! This site is bunch of boring old farts.Especially Tim,right? From njohnsn at IowaTelecom.net Tue Jan 15 21:08:32 2002 From: njohnsn at IowaTelecom.net (Neil Johnson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:08:32 -0600 Subject: CD-RW serial numbers Message-ID: To get around the CD-RW serial-number issue should be easy. Buy a CD-RW with cash at a computer-fest or ham (amateur-radio) swap meet. DON'T burn anything on the CD-RW that could be traced back to you. At the last ham swap meet I attended there was a guy selling loads of complete DSS systems off a pallet for $35 cash (It was a reputable swap-meet, so I don't think they "fell-off " a truck). 2 rows over was another guy selling smart cards. Another row over was a guy selling smart card programmers. Inside a building was a guy selling "technical information" on how DSS smart cards work, including source code for "example" smartcard programs to "test" various "features" of the DSS system. He had big disclaimers saying "Don't use this info for illegal purposes". Yeah right. I wonder how many morons bought all this stuff AND STILL plugged the DSS receiver into the phone line. Attention MPAA/RIAA: I didn't purchase anything. There's enough crap on TV as it is, and I don't need an extra 500 channels of it. -Neil From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 04:26:04 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:26:04 +1100 Subject: Faustine the Imbecile. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020115230144.00a7e010@pop.useoz.com> >>"autonomous decentralized network". Which, if you can believe the RAND Corporation, is apparently where it's at...<< Anarchists recognized as clear and present danger,All means to combat approved. >>Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda, or drug smuggling cartels like those in Colombia and Mexico. On the positive side are civil - -society activists fighting for the environment, democracy and human rights. What all have in common is that they operate in small, dispersed units that can deploy anywhere, anytime to penetrate and disrupt. They all feature network forms of organization, doctrine, strategy, and technology attuned to the information age. And, from the Intifadah to the drug war, they are proving very hard to beat." << >>Note their interesting (and vital) distinction between criminal networks and those "on the positive side". << Well actually no,not really.Al Queda have a legit war on the armourer and financier of the terrorist zionists.The US is 'the 'rogue terror state.Drug cartels would not exist without an absurd prohibition and absolutely crazy "drug war".Dont you read Narco news? Silly girl.Criminal is in the eye of the beholder as Tim points out ad nauseum. >>God knows I don't speak for anyone here << Fuck knows why you come here unless your an agent like Aimee Fart. >>but myself, but in the best of all (im?)possible worlds, those interested in protecting privacy and freedom through cryptography belong right at the heart of that side of the continuum. The tools of cryptography are value neutral you Idiot.Like APster. "the heart of that side of the continuum,"WTF does that mean? Something on Faustine Prime? >>Whether or not any of us individually can be successful at being perceived that way remains to be seen.<< More dribble.We should worry about how we are perceived???By who? And Why,for fucks sake? Haven't we all got work to do? There's a lot more that ought to be said on this, any thoughts? Theres a lot been said.Your ignoring the archives on the left.You are a serial pest like Tim 'alzeimers' May. Something to keep in mind, at any rate. ~Faustine. The abyss calling the abyss. ~ Justine. Keep the divine Marquis in that place you store your mind F. From aimee.farr at pobox.com Tue Jan 15 21:55:09 2002 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:55:09 -0600 Subject: No subject Message-ID: subscribe cypherpunks From aimee.farr at pobox.com Tue Jan 15 22:11:34 2002 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:11:34 -0600 Subject: Cypherpunk Agitprop. Message-ID: I'm so damn mad, I can't even subscribe to a mailing list..... From isn at c4i.org Tue Jan 15 22:18:11 2002 From: isn at c4i.org (InfoSec News) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:18:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [ISN] Wireless LANs: Trouble in the Air Message-ID: http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO67344,00.html By BOB BREWIN, DAN VERTON AND JENNIFER DISABATINO January 14, 2002 As the airline industry scrambles to meet a Jan. 18 deadline to screen every checked bag for explosives, security experts, analysts and government officials are raising serious concerns about the security of wireless technology that's integral to the effort. At issue is the adoption by airlines of industry-standard 802.11b, or WiFi, wireless LANs operating in the 2.4-GHz band. These systems, which are widely viewed as inherently insecure, are being used to support such applications as bag matching and curbside and roving-agent check-in. The concerns appear to be justified, based on two investigations that were conducted last week by professional security firms that analyzed airline wireless LAN systems at Denver International Airport and San Jose International Airport. The analysis in Denver was conducted Jan. 9 by White Hat Technologies Inc., a Westminster, Colo.-based security firm. It revealed that American Airlines Inc. operated wireless LANs totally in the clear without any encryption in its portion of the DIA terminal. The vulnerability of the American Airlines wireless LAN networks was highlighted by the fact that the security specialists witnessed an intrusion while conducting their monitoring. According to a report furnished to Computerworld, security of the wireless LANs supporting Fort Worth, Texas-based American's curbside check-in stands was further compromised by the fact that the IP address of the curbside terminal was prominently pasted on the monitor. Except for an administrative network operated by the Denver International Airport authority itself, none of the networks monitored by the security specialists had turned on even the simplest form of encryption: the 40-bit Wired Equivalent Privacy encryption algorithm. Thubten Comerford, CEO of White Hat Technologies, said airlines that operate unprotected 802.11b wireless networks "are putting themselves and our nation's security at risk." Even when encryption is enabled, wireless LANs "are a serious liability," Comerford added. A scan of wireless networks at San Jose International Airport on Jan. 10 produced similar results. Jonas Luster, co-founder of D-fensive Networks Inc. in Campbell, Calif., which conducted the analysis in San Jose, said the wireless LANs there had few safeguards against intruders. Luster said he was easily able to pick up signals and sensitive network information emanating from the wireless LANs belonging to American Airlines and Dallas-based Southwest Airlines Co. American's curbside check-in operations could be monitored, Luster said, and Southwest's networks were issuing information from back-end systems, including at least three Unix servers running the Solaris operating system. RIP Weakness "In a matter of minutes, you could sniff out whatever you wanted," said Luster, who added that the routing infrastructure at both airlines was open to exploitation. Routing Information Protocol (RIP), a high-level language that transmits routing updates at regular intervals, can be modified easily to assist a hacker, said Luster. "By injecting a wrong RIP response, I could declare myself a legitimate, authoritative, powerful node on the network," said Luster. Although American acknowledged the vulnerability of the 802.11b standard, it downplayed the seriousness of the situation. "This particular issue is a very temporary one and a very noncompromising one," said American CIO Monte Ford. American is already on track to roll out a proprietary security system to replace 802.11b well before an industry-standard improvement is adopted, Ford said. And he added that even if a hacker was able to locate passwords, he would still be unable to access applications and databases. "A password is not a free ticket to our network, by any stretch of the imagination," he said. "They can just see points on the network. They can't get into applications." Ford said American doesn't plan to use positive bag matching to meet the Jan. 18 deadline Congress has set for the airlines to implement some means of screening all checked baggage. It does plan to start using a bag-matching system later this year, Ford added. American Airlines' visibility is at least partly attributable to the fact that it has been ahead of the curve in wireless LAN deployment. Delta Air Lines Inc., United Air Lines Inc. and Southwest Airlines all declined to comment for this story, citing security concerns. Northwest Airlines Inc. and Continental Airlines Inc. didn't return calls seeking comment by deadline. In any case, there appears to be no coordinated effort among the airlines to address wireless security issues. For its part, American currently uses its wireless LANs only for curbside check-in and roving agents, and Ford said that even if intruders penetrated the network, they could do little damage. That's because American's core systems are hosted by Fort Worth, Texas-based Sabre Inc. on an IBM transaction processing facility (TPF) system that's generally viewed as extremely difficult to hack because of the rigid and arcane structure of TPF. "It's not possible that you could get into the kinds of things that could do damage," said Richard Eastman, an airline industry consultant at Newport Beach, Calif.-based The Eastman Group. The TPF-based reservation system is a deep matrix, with passwords embedded in each level, explained Michael Anderson, director of airport systems at Sabre. But that doesn't satisfy Joe Weiss, vice president of the network applications division at Annapolis, Md.-based Aeronautical Radio Inc. (Arinc), a communications services provider owned by a consortium of airlines. Weiss said he's concerned that a hacker could use an unprotected wireless LAN to hop into core airline operational systems. These systems include flight operations, bag matching and passenger reservations. Flight operations systems manage such vital functions as refueling, maintenance and flight dispatch, Weiss said. Weiss expressed concern that access to a bag-matching system could allow an attacker to manipulate the system to show that luggage belonged to a boarded passenger when in fact it did not. This concern is one reason Arinc plans to abandon the 802.11b-based bag-matching system it operates as a shared resource system for all carriers with international flights at San Francisco International Airport. Arinc said it will switch to a private wireless system operating in the 800-MHz band. That system will be based on Integrated Digital Enhanced Network (IDEN) voice and data terminals developed by Schaumburg, Ill.-based Motorola Inc. IDEN provides more robust security than wireless LANs, Weiss said, including software keys for each terminal. Arinc plans to encrypt the network traffic as well. Presidential Concerns The security weakness of wireless LANs used throughout the nation's critical industries, including airlines, hasn't gone unnoticed at high levels of the Bush administration. A senior White House official said wireless security initiatives are at the top of the 2002 agenda for the president's newly established Critical Infrastructure Protection Board. At least one white paper is in development that will examine wireless LANs and the interconnections between wireless devices and critical infrastructure systems, such as Federal Aviation Administration networks. The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) and two of its key agencies�the FAA and the newly formed Transportation Security Agency (TSA)�plan to take a critical look at wireless LAN security over the next year. Mike Brown, director of information security at the FAA, said that in this new security-conscious era, airline wireless systems are subject to increased scrutiny. The DOT has formed a "go team," led by Associate CIO Lisa Schlosser, that will examine existing airline wireless systems, including LANs. In partnership with the FAA, the TSA and private industry, it will develop security standards and define a general wireless architecture, Brown said. Though American Airlines downplayed the vulnerability of its wireless networks in San Jose and Denver, some security analysts viewed the potential threat as significant and symptomatic of the airline industry's failure to properly address network security. James Foster, a senior consultant and researcher at Guardent Inc., a security firm in Waltham, Mass., has conducted several wireless security audits during the past year that have uncovered significant vulnerabilities in and around major airport facilities, including John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York and Boston's Logan International Airport. "Possible baggage system vulnerabilities do not surprise me," said Foster. "This is a serious problem that puts lives and the U.S. infrastructure at risk." Although he wouldn't provide details about specific airlines, Foster's wireless security audits have shown that a skilled hacker with the right software tools would need only seconds to conduct a detailed reconnaissance of an airline's wireless network. "Most of the time these [wireless systems] are tied to back-end systems," Foster said. Regardless of how arcane or proprietary those networks may be, "it's only a matter of time until somebody figures out how it works, how it communicates and how people authenticate," he said. "It would take no more than an hour to figure out how the system worked." - ISN is currently hosted by Attrition.org To unsubscribe email majordomo at attrition.org with 'unsubscribe isn' in the BODY of the mail. --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 05:31:17 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:31:17 +1100 Subject: Gassner reaches for his luger. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116002800.00a69eb0@pop.useoz.com> Victoria Police Commander Leigh Gassner denied police were over-reacting. "Even the Mexican wave seems pretty harmless, but when you put it into the context of people throwing things, you can't take it lightly," he said. "There's a cultural issue about where this is occurring and we have to say that culture is no longer tolerated at the MCG, anywhere." "When I hear the word culture I reach for my Pistol." J.Goebbels. From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 05:34:25 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:34:25 +1100 Subject: DEATH THREAT! Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116003329.00a69a90@pop.useoz.com> Minister Andre Haermeyer said he would convene a working party of police, sports bodies and venue managers to develop a uniform code of conduct for crowd behaviour at Victorian sporting events. He foreshadowed higher on-the-spot fines of up to $10,000 for drunken behaviour and ground invasions. Mr Haermeyer said the Government and police would consider banning known troublemakers. He said digital face-recognition technology could also be used against terrorism for the 2006 Melbourne Commonwealth Games. Navy death threat claims From AAP 15jan02 A FORMER navy sailor has claimed he received death threats after alleging he was brutalised while another sailor had a tampon forced into his mouth. Sam Golledge, a former submariner, told ABC radio and television he was forced to see a defence psychiatrist after making complaints against the navy while he was serving in the Australian Defence Force. He said he was ordered to take an anti-depressant against his will. Mr Golledge said in a separate incident another sailor was held down and a used tampon forced into his mouth. "He doesn't want to be named and he won't come forward with any information while he's still serving in the navy because he believes there is no way he's going to get the answers that he wants, and he's going to look like an outcast as well," Mr Golledge said of his former colleague. "It's one of those closed places where it's not going to get you anywhere until you get out. "And if you do, like I have, you're going to be alienated and you're going to receive death threats, things like that." The navy last week established an inquiry to investigate allegations including the sexual assault of a young female sailor on Christmas Island in early December. From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 07:19:01 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:19:01 +1100 Subject: assassination politics Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116021419.00a69b70@pop.useoz.com> Copies of jim bell's essay,"assassination politics"essay be sent in all OS's help files. "the government serves the people; the people don't serve the motherfucking government."and "The people have the power to redeem the work of fools." Patti Smith. PEOPLE POWER! From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 07:46:24 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:46:24 +1100 Subject: East Coast Events Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116024519.00a72660@pop.useoz.com> NYC Protests Planned Against World Economic Forum Over 1,000 of the world's corporate leaders, along with top political and media representatives, will meet behind closed doors in New York City from January 31 to February 4 at the World Economic Forum's annual meeting. Meanwhile thousands of students, union members and activists plan to protest in what is expected to be the largest American anti-corporate globalization demonstration post-9/11. Formed in 1971, the Davos-based WEF is viewed by critics as the architect of corporate globalization and the catalyst for the formation of the World Trade Organization. Although the Forum is a private affair, the meeting's clout has begun to rival that of the United Nations as the world's leading global body. "Should a Forum that is dominated by corporate interests be encouraged to take on the role of mapping out future frameworks for global governance?" asked scholar Peter Goodman in his piece "The WEF: Capital's First International?" For protest organizers such as Students For Global Justice, Another World Is Possible and the New York Anti-Capitalist Convergence the answer is clearly no. At the same time protesters pour into New York to protest the global elite meet-and-greet, activists in Porto Alegro, Brazil, will attend the World Social Forum to discuss alterative social and economic models to prove "Another World Is Possible". http://www.indymedia.org/ From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 08:44:16 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:44:16 +1100 Subject: Justine's Faust.Questions. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116034149.00a76410@pop.useoz.com> >>il castrato scrive: > >Ever thought about greek birth control? The greek technique? No Skuche ala Gats, puttana? Yeah Justine,my eunuch friend and I wanna Know! No Skuche ala Gats, puttana? Klaatu Burada Nikto From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 08:59:49 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:59:49 +1100 Subject: No More Mr Nice Guy Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116035608.00a04e20@pop.useoz.com> http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-000003204jan13.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dmagazine Tom Wales Fought for Gun Control. Maybe He Died for It. Photos Depiction of the murder scene Tom Wales (MARLIS DEJONGH) Wales' home (AP) Tom Wales Times Headlines Tom Wales Fought for Gun Control. Maybe He Died for It.Is this Assassination Politics? By KIM MURPHY, Times Staff Writer A community college graduation on a warm june afternoon, the kind where everybody sits in folding chairs in the gym and dads with bobbing video cameras squint down from the bleachers. The commencement speaker, a Seattle prosecutor and gun control activist, walks diffidently to the podium. He's a tall, slight man in spectacles. In his blue suit, he looks ready to try a tax fraud case. Hardly anybody expects that when Tom Wales finishes talking they'll either feel like hugging him and saying thank you for saying that to my child. Or they'll feel like punching him in the mouth. Wales knew that's what they'd think. He knew some people would listen, and some would get mad. He didn't care. Because when they were mad, it meant they were alive. As he tells the graduates: "John Lennon said, before he was shot and killed outside the Dakota Apartments in New York, 'Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.' "Find something you believe in passionately and get into it," Wales says. "Get outraged. Take a stand . . . . Be present in your own life." Then Wales takes on the National Rifle Assn., the death penalty, the disproportionate number of black people in prison, the country's "foolish" mandatory minimum sentences, and President Bush's inaction on global warming. Whoa. There's some tentative applause and a lot of exchanged glances. This is Edmonds, a conservative suburban outpost north of Seattle, on the political fault line that runs north, south, east and west of the liberal-minded city where Wales had also served two terms as chairman of the city planning commission and hoped to run for city attorney or county prosecutor, and maybe even Congress someday. "Disagree with me? Go ahead. Please do," Wales says, as if inviting the lady who comes up afterward to tell him it's the worst graduation speech she ever heard. (Somebody else tells him it was the best.) "Go through that door and come battle me on these issues," he says. "Life is not a dress rehearsal, ladies and gentlemen. It's the main event. Don't waste your time on the stage. We're all forgiven many sins in our lives, but the most difficult to forgive, in my view, is wasting the gift of life on this planet." Four months later, on a frosty October night, Tom Wales says his last lines on the stage, to a 911 dispatcher, after someone stands outside the window of his house, sees Wales at the computer and pumps bullets through the glass. A neighbor sees a man walk quickly from the area and drive away. The shooter left behind the first nationally known gun control leader killed by bullets in the last two decades of the handgun debate. Wales, 49, had spent more than 15 years with the gun control group Washington CeaseFire. He was preparing to raise funds for further legislation requiring background checks for buyers at gun shows in the state. It would have been a significant step. Legislatures in Western states have been among the most formidable opponents of gun control, although voters in Oregon and Colorado have passed statewide initiatives requiring such checks. Three months after the murder, with a $25,000 reward posted by the federal government, a joint federal-local task force does not seem close to finding the killer. Was it a defendant Wales once sent to prison? A gun owner angered by Wales' frequent diatribes against the NRA? Someone about to be indicted for a federal crime? Someone who had a personal grudge? "We've called this an assassination. This was just a very targeted, non-random act," says Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske, who bucked conservative Washington law enforcement tradition by appearing at gun control events at Wales' side. The police chief broke down recently when shown a picture of himself next to Wales, planting daffodils at a Seattle park in September in memory of a University of Washington pathologist slain with a handgun two years ago. "The murder of a federal prosecutor is unbelievably unique," Kerlikowske says. "We have to ensure that every prosecutor knows that we're going to do whatever it takes, everything possible, to solve this, and to protect them." The murder made people who knew Wales anxious. Some leaders of Washington CeaseFire dropped out of sight for a time, operating on cell phones out of friends' houses. Especially unsettling were phone calls to the CeaseFire office and messages sent over the Internet. "You all ought to be hung for high treason," one caller said. "Somebody musta thought it was 'time to start shooting the bastards,' " a written message said. "Seems like a good start to me." Yet another message said, "This bag of guts was either dispatched, eliminated, or culled. Good riddance, and may his soul rot in whichever circle of hell is reserved for government scumbags." A message addressed to Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft, who oversees all U.S. attorneys' offices, such as the one Wales worked in for 18 years, said: "When you appoint a replacement for this nitwit jerk, please appoint an attorney who . . . . will uphold the Constitution of the United States instead of LYING and VIOLATING his Oath to do so." Elizabeth Wales, Wales' wife of 27 years until their divorce in 2000, now draws the curtains at night in her Seattle condominium. "As a society, we have every reason to be kinder, more gentle, caring, less brutal. But I have a conviction that this society in America is violent. And when it comes to your doorstep . . . . " She is unable to finish the sentence. To comfort herself, she remembers how Wales used to take her out in the family boat, way past the lights, where he'd cut the engine and let the boat glide, silent and dark. Look up at the stars, Bizzie, he'd say. Except don't think they're stars. Imagine they're pinpricks, and think about the vast light that must be behind them, shining through. Think about that light, Bizzie. To understand the politics of gun control in Washington state, you might begin by driving southeast from Elizabeth Wales' condo to the office of independent gun owner lobbyist Al Woodbridge in Sumner, Wash. It's a mere 35 miles, but it's two different planets. The first is the city that gave birth to the 1999 World Trade Organization protests, a hip town where lawyers carry REI backpacks and beliefs tend toward the predictably liberal: passionate about the environment, committed on human rights and diversity, suspicious of companies that get too big (unless they market software), nervous about guns. The second--Sumner--is at the foot of Mt. Rainier, and it's a lazy town with a single main street full of kitsch shops. Woodbridge works in a small law office here because, in what he contends was a setup, the federal government effectively shut down his gun shop and convicted him of possessing machine gun parts 18 years ago. "There should be a reasonable solution to everything," says Woodbridge, a man with an intense gaze and a long gray beard. "But once you step on the Constitution, that's when the reasonability stops and I just tell you no. I don't tell you hell no. I just tell you that it can't be done." The West has far more Sumners than Seattles. Many folks have rifles in the back of their pickup trucks, or gun cases in their living rooms, or handguns they pack when going into the woods, home to bears and cougars. It rankles when the guys with the REI backpacks in Seattle start talking about registering guns or filing reports just to buy one from a neighbor. The modest gun control laws on the books can be linked to a Democratic governor and Democrats in the Legislature, who only this fall narrowly regained control of the Legislature. They were elected mostly by the citizens of the Seattle metropolitan area, who account for 3 million of the state's 5.9 million population. The freedom to buy weapons at gun shows and the absence of laws that would hold owners liable for not locking up their weapons can be traced to the citizens of Sumner and hundreds of similar communities, as well as to the resources of the NRA, which claims 100,000 members in the state, and to activists such as Woodbridge and Alan Gottlieb. The latter, a direct-mail marvel of the far right, claims to raise as much as $24 million a year for causes such as private property rights and gun owners. Gottlieb, of Bellevue, Wash., is founder and director of the Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, which each claim more than half a million members nationally. Last year, the foundation had $6.9 million in revenues and assets, and Gottlieb's American Political Action Committee in the 2000 election disbursed $117,849 to mostly Republican candidates, including $39,686 spent on direct mailings attacking Al Gore (who arguably lost Arkansas, West Virginia and Tennessee--any one of which would have given him the election--on the gun issue). Some say Wales' determination to control guns started in his days at the prestigious Milton Academy, when his roommate, Joseph Kennedy, lost his father, Robert F. Kennedy, to an assassin's bullet. Wales' son, Thomas Crane Wales VII, now studying for his PhD in history at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland, believes his father also was influenced by a 1995 incident while Tom was a student at Garfield High School in Seattle. A 15-year-old freshman ran through the school firing a stolen handgun, injuring two students. "I think it was the first shooting inside Seattle public schools," he says. "Pop came to speak at the school after that. He came, I think, with a bunch of other law enforcement people. He reassured people that the school would be safe, and not to be paranoid or afraid." Wales joined CeaseFire in the 1990s. It had begun in 1983 as the first state gun control organization in the country and within two years had lobbied successfully for a state law requiring a criminal and mental health history background check on all handgun purchases made through licensed dealers and for a five-day waiting period for delivery. That was five years before approval of the Brady Act, which set a federal waiting period for new buyers of handguns. In the '90s, Wales was among those who pushed for CeaseFire to have a full-time executive director and to create a state political action committee, which became the only one in the nation to rate, endorse and contribute to candidates based on their gun control views. "Tom really was the driving force behind professionalizing the organization," says Bruce Gryniewski, hired as the first executive director. Wales' forte was fund-raising. He had a large network of lawyer friends, along with contacts in the business and land development communities through his work on the planning commission. About the time of the Garfield High shooting, Wales had raised $40,000 for opinion polling on the issue of gun violence. Not surprisingly, it showed Washington residents had little appetite for handgun registration. Yet it also suggested that even outside of the Seattle political fault line, residents substantially supported firearm safety issues, including trigger locks and safety training for gun owners. That was the genesis of the single most important campaign CeaseFire ever attempted, a ballot initiative in 1997 to require trigger locks on weapons, training for gun owners and background checks for gun buyers. It was the first statewide gun control initiative in the nation since California voters turned down a registration initiative in 1982. Wales was co-chair of the campaign and was instrumental in raising the $1.2 million to support it. Much of that money came from what Joe Waldron, a director of the Washington Arms Collectors and chairman of the campaign against the ballot initiative, calls "the wealthy Seattle elitist crowd," including Microsoft founder Bill Gates and his father, a well-known Seattle attorney. In the views of Waldron and Gottlieb, the initiative raised thorny questions. What kind of safety training would be required, for example? Because there weren't enough instructors in the state to train all the gun owners, would people turn into criminals while waiting in line for a class? How about the call for checking medical records of gun buyers to see if they suffered from mental problems. Did people really want medical records opened up to government bureaucrats? Waldron, a stocky man with a ruddy face and a shock of white hair, still holds his military demeanor from 28 years in the Marine Corps, most recently as chief of the Marine air targeting cell at Central Air Force Headquarters during the Gulf War. "I joined the Marine Corps in 1963 because it was a gun club," he says. "I believe that the shooting sports as originally promoted by the U.S. government in 1903 pushed marksmanship training as a means of military readiness of the country, and that has been true pretty much through this century." To Waldron, gun ownership may determine the survival of the republic. "In the final analysis, we can talk about smart bombs and things like this, but let's go back to the Gulf War, which everyone thinks was won in the air," he says. "However, I also know that the Iraqis did not withdraw from Kuwait until a man on the ground went in and chased them out with a rifle in his hands." As the election neared, polls found some two-thirds of the state supported the initiative. Wales, who already had support from the League of Women Voters, church groups and the medical community, began working on the state's three big law enforcement organizations. Although they eventually refused to endorse, they appeared likely to remain neutral--a victory of sorts because the public tends to look to the police for guidance on gun issues. The NRA was alarmed. Fearing the initiative could lead to stricter handgun regulation across the West, the organization moved much of its Washington, D.C., operation to Washington state in the weeks before the election and sent then-vice president Charlton Heston barnstorming around the state doing fund-raisers. With the NRA pouring an estimated $2.2 million into the campaign, financing an advertising onslaught in the final weeks, the initiative failed, losing nearly everywhere except Seattle. To many who knew him, Wales was much more than a gun control advocate. He had climbed nearly every major mountain in the Cascade and Olympic ranges. He baked artisan breads, prosecuted savings and loan frauds and headed a national commission on federal sentencing guidelines. He would drive his daughter to soccer practice three times a week and wait for her in the car with his legal briefs and cell phone. He was immersed in the business of laying an intricately patterned hardwood floor in the family house he kept after his wife left him. Young Tom Wales remembers when, at age 15, he and his uncle, Rick Wales, and father climbed Mt. Adams. A sudden snowstorm stranded the trio on an exposed ridge. They pitched their tent and hunkered down. "And then this tremendous wind began," Tom says. "When it finally broke upon the tent, it was like being stuck inside a sandwich bag that someone was shaking around powerfully. It took the roof of the tent and blew it in our faces, so we were virtually choking inside. I panicked. We're in the midst of this howling snowstorm, it's completely, totally black outside, and there's these chunks of volcanic rock kind of sandblasting against the side of the tent, and I thought we were going to die for sure. "But my dad charged outside and somehow managed to heave big boulders up around in a circle around the tent . . . . He came back inside, and this was while all this pandemonium continued, and he kind of put his arm on my back, and when he did that, I knew we'd be OK." Rick Wales says his brother was always doing that: charging ahead. When they were 10, he says, Tom challenged five bullies who were stealing a balloon from another child. All five turned on Tom, one holding him while the others pelted him with snowballs. "I remember very clearly walking our bikes up this hill, and he said, 'Well, Ricky, now I guess we know what it's like to get beaten up.' But I hadn't been beaten up. He sort of had this sense that life's resume had these checkpoints on it, and getting beaten up was one of them, and he managed to get it checked off for both of us." Amy, his daughter, says that when she was very young, most children's books in the house were boys' adventure stories intended for her brother. "My father would take down these books, and before he would read them to me, he would have gone to a room and changed every 'he' to 'she,' and every description or name--if it was Paul, it became Paula. To me, from an early age, it wasn't like I was learning about all these masculine male protagonists. I was learning about wonderful heroic women. He was just making sure that I knew I was his equal." Elizabeth, after much soul-searching, came out as a lesbian and decided to leave the marriage. Wales was adamant that the children, despite their anger, not be allowed to push her out of their lives, Amy says. The four of them would go on together, he said, just in a new direction. Not that it wasn't the hardest thing that ever happened to him, his daughter says. "I hadn't really seen my father cry, and I remember right after they told me they were splitting up, he took me out on the front porch and we cried together. Never in my mind have I doubted his strength and wisdom, but he was also strong enough and wise enough to let himself cry in front of his children." Friends say it took several years for Wales to get over Elizabeth's departure. For the last year or so, he had been in a new relationship with a 50-year-old ultramarathon runner, Marlis DeJongh, who owns a court-reporting business in Seattle. A mutual friend introduced them, and they gradually became close. DeJongh brings out photographs of them celebrating a climb near the top of an Olympic peak with a flask of single-malt scotch. The only furniture in DeJongh's new condo is a leather sofa Wales helped her pick out. Buy the best thing you can afford, he told her, even if it's the only thing you have. Wales would arrive at her house with grocery bags, grab a pad and write out the menu for the evening (one recent night's offering: filet mignon; pasta with fresh tomato sauce, basil and Parmigiano-Reggiano cheese; puree of peas and watercress; salad with apples, walnuts and Gorgonzola; hazelnut/ almond torte with melon), then start cooking. DeJongh was also one of a long list of people who got Wales' lovingly baked, much maligned holiday fruitcakes. He took no end of abuse about them until a few years ago, when the Seattle Post-Intelligencer printed his fruitcake recipe. Wales sent out an e-mail to everyone who had ever been a grudging recipient. "A doorstop no more," it proclaimed in the subject line. Wales had a habit of suddenly interrupting his work to fire off a heartwarming e-mail. On Oct. 2, his former brother-in-law, Eric Redman, got an e-mail from Wales about a Robert Fayrfax CD Redman had given him. "Listening to Fayrfax, on my new computer at home, I'm reminded by the music to tell you how much I love you and value our friendship--and, in ways more real than familial, our kinship. Tom." DeJongh would get e-mails during the day, fondly recalling the night before, suggesting lunch. "I'm sitting here thinking how powerful you are, how great a life force you have within you, and how lucky I am to have you as a friend, and a lover. Way lucky. I'd guess only one of you is born about every 400 years; that's my guess, anyway." One recent night, she was watching a video of "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon"--one of Wales' favorite movies. He had seen it eight times. He never would admit that he identified with the sad-hearted warrior, the one who falls victim to his enemy's hate in the end. "He was too humble," DeJongh says. Wales believed one of the great romantic lines in cinema came from the movie, something the warrior tells his lover when he's dying. DeJongh can recite it by heart. "I would rather be a ghost drifting by your side, a condemned soul, than to enter heaven without you. Because of your love, I'll never be a lonely spirit." So DeJongh sits in her own quiet hell, on the leather sofa Wales picked out, and tells herself she finally found the world's most perfect man, and then she lost him. Wales' last major push for CeaseFire began just over a year ago. After defeat of the 1997 ballot initiative, the organization went to work on state legislation that would hold parents criminally responsible if a child got their guns and injured someone. The so-called Whitney Graves bill is named for an 8-year-old Marysville, Wash., girl accidentally shot to death by a 10-year-old friend. A total of 17 states now have such child access laws. Even Gottlieb broke ranks with the NRA to support the bill. But one dependable reality of Washington politics is the demise of the Whitney Graves bill each year in the House Judiciary Committee, co-chaired by pro-gun-rights Rep. Michael J. Carrell of Lakewood. One year, CeaseFire got the bill introduced in a different committee, chaired by a legislator whose daughter died in a street crime. Carrell had it referred back to Judiciary and killed it. But the shooting deaths of 12 students and a teacher in 1999 at Columbine High School in Colorado turned the gun control debate in Washington in a new direction. The guns had been purchased at a gun show. CeaseFire joined several other states to begin pressing for background checks at gun shows similar to those required at gun shops. Oregon and Colorado passed such initiatives in 2000, but Wales and Gryniewski, still smarting from the 1997 defeat, wanted to try the Legislature before taking on another ballot initiative. They didn't expect what happened next. "We were the next state to fall on this issue, and the NRA started getting scared," Gryniewski says. The NRA's Western lobbyist in Sacramento, Brian Judy, called him in December 2000 and said, " 'Let's get together and talk about gun shows,' " Gryniewski says. It was an offer without precedent: the NRA would sit down with a gun control organization and negotiate legislation that placed limits on handgun purchases. The talks were tentative at first. Judy, who declined to be interviewed for this article, would fly into Seattle-Tacoma airport. Wales and Gryniewski would meet him for dinner at the nearby 13 Coins. The purpose was to try to narrow down the points of disagreement. What kind of checks would be done? Would they be handled by local police or the state patrol? What kind of records would be kept of the checks? Would they be instant checks? How long should a check take before a sale goes through? Could the gun still be delivered before the end of the weekend? And last, what's the definition of a gun show? Does it include flea markets? Sporting events? The weekly meetings continued for a month or so, until word of them leaked out and the process took a major turn. State political leaders and others joined in the negotiations. Carrell and Democratic counterpart Chris Hurst chaired the sessions. Lobbyists for the major police unions joined in, as did Woodbridge. Waldron was there, too, irritated that anyone was talking about a gun show loophole. For one thing, licensed firearms dealers have to do background checks no matter where they're doing business, and such groups as Washington Arms Collectors, which promotes major gun shows all over the state, do their own background checks. CeaseFire wasn't satisfied. WAC's background checks weren't as comprehensive as they would have liked, and gun shows not sponsored by WAC often required no background checks of unlicensed dealers. Waldron says his side searched for ways to satisfy the gun control advocates. "We kept crawling out on that limb," he says. "But CeaseFire never gave us any indication, OK, this is what we'll go with, this is what's acceptable to us. Everything was always a problem, or it was, 'Well, we'll have to go back and see if our board authorizes that.' Well, what incentive is there for me to negotiate if I can never meet your standard?" Gryniewski has a different view. "Tom was an incredibly skilled negotiator," he recalls. "Because of his experience in the courtroom, he knew how to ask questions, he knew how to probe. He was great at getting information. Also, he was an incredibly dynamic public speaker." The talks broke down in April, each side blaming the other. Waldron says Wales warned him that if gun owners didn't go along with the gun show language that CeaseFire was proposing, the group would go to the voters with an even stricter ballot initiative. "He ended that by saying, 'That's not a threat, that's a reality,' Waldron says. "Well, no. That's a threat." CeaseFire quickly followed through, as did Wales, who was poised to do what he does best: raise money. CeaseFire hoped for a substantial donation from Americans for Gun Safety to run a gun show initiative. And then came that October night. A sad irony of Wales' death is that he may be better situated in death to win passage of gun control legislation than he ever was in life--an irony not lost on either side of the debate. His murder brought a flood of donations, to CeaseFire and to an endowment his family set up for causes to which he was committed. With more than $400,000 raised so far, CeaseFire hopes to guarantee the organization's operations permanently, freeing up regular contributions for direct political applications. Woodbridge finds CeaseFire's actions distasteful. "I realize most of those guys think I'm a bad guy," he says, "but I would never raise money from the body of a friend of mine." A month after the killing, the November elections changed the Statehouse, with Democrats picking up a narrow majority, likely ending Carrell's lock on gun legislation and raising CeaseFire's hopes that it can win the background check issue. The only certainty in Tom Wales' death is the tragic validation of his concern about handguns. To those who are certain the murderer must have been a crazed gun owner, let it be known there exists no shortage of other theories. To begin with, Wales had a weird encounter in July in the parking garage of his office. He backed out of his parking space and accidentally hit a limousine. As the limo driver, Fred Coleman, tells it, "I said, 'Excuse me, I need your license and insurance information.' He said, 'Well, there's no mark there, and he rubbed it off.' And I said, 'I'm going to have to account for it to my company.' He told me to [bug] off." Wales drove off, nicking a newspaper delivery truck on the way out. Coleman called the police, who wound up charging Wales with two counts of hit and run. In Wales' view, Coleman was being so argumentative that he was afraid to give him his license. Besides, there was no damage. The case was dismissed when the limousine company declined to seek damages. After the murder, Coleman was among the first interviews police conducted. "I had no idea who he was until the police came down here and asked me some questions about the incident," Coleman says. "I happen to have a .380 [.38-caliber handgun] and they took it in, but they said it was the wrong brand of gun." Sources familiar with the investigation say Coleman has been ruled out as a suspect. As for other possibilities, FBI agents and a Justice Department organized crime prosecutor from Washington, D.C., are going over dozens of white-collar crime cases that Wales prosecuted. In one, investigators have looked at a defendant who claims he was the victim of an irresponsible prosecution by Wales and another in a case involving military helicopter parts illegally installed on civilian helicopters by a company that then sold the aircraft to the U.S. Forest Service. The company that sold the helicopters paid fines to settle the case and charges against the two defendants were dismissed. Nonetheless, the case left bad blood. One defendant filed papers in court claiming the charges were unfair and saying they had ruined his life. Prosecutors urged the court to keep secret the identity of witnesses who could prove the allegations, saying they had evidence of the "violent and retributive nature" of one defendant. FBI agents interviewed a Snohomish County man who claims he met several times with Wales in the weeks before his death about purported wrongdoing by a variety of local government officials in western Washington. But they were never able to corroborate his story. In the end, gun advocates say they had far more to lose than gain from Wales' death. The Tyranny Response Team, considered the far right of the gun owner movement, contended in an op-ed piece that the murder was "way too sloppy" for a skilled gun advocate. "Five shots fired, only two hits at very close range. Anyone who could actually shoot would have done it with a single head shot, not a 'spray and pray' tactic," says TRT representative Kevin Schmadeka. "Then the shooter walked to his car, which was parked in plain view on the main road . . . . I assure you, 'gun people' are generally up to speed on combat tactics and know better than that. Not to mention the fact that someone who was concerned about gun control would not have used a gun. A baseball bat . . . would have been every bit as effective, a lot quieter, and with no negative political fallout." Which leaves police back where they started. "We will solve this case," Kerlikowske has pledged, though he won't say how. The family knows better than to keep asking. For their part, they've decided to keep the old family house on Hayes Street and finish the wood floor Wales was working on. Get the kitchen done, finally. Hope that someday they can go to that house and think of something besides the killer who lurked outside, waiting to take the man whose light burned by the window. Kim Murphy is The Times' Seattle bureau chief. From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 09:42:29 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 04:42:29 +1100 Subject: Contract out on john Perry Barlow Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116043208.00a74eb0@pop.useoz.com> As a Republican Party official in Wyoming,he helped elect Dick Cheney to Congress.I say he is probably also responsible for cattle mutilations in the midwest and mad cow disease.I swear to pay 1 proffr dollar to soft drill this SOB.ASAP. Ill be Grateful when he's DEAD.In the spirit of Crazy Horse,professor Rat.Yipee Ki YaBasta MuthaFUCKER! "It is up to us to transfer the battle of Genoa to all levels, in all the places and moments that domination is operating with its political, economical, military and ideological weapons, the struggle against globalization continues in all the fronts it is revealing itself: from the dictatorship of the markets and of social control, to its current militarized imposition through the +war against terrorism; " From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 10:16:34 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:16:34 +1100 Subject: Lompoc Blues Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116051526.00a75510@pop.useoz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23663.html Jailbirds remember porridge online By Tim Richardson Posted: 14/01/2002 at 11:53 GMT The craze for reunion Web sites has taken a new twist following the creation of a site dedicated to re-uniting old jailbirds. Convicts Reunited was set up as a spoof site last month but since then has attracted 3,000 subscribers. A statement on the site reads: "This website is for Convicts and Ex-convicts who have either lost contact with old prison inmates or maybe looking for fellow conns for their next bank job. It ends: "Please note, this site is run by ex-convict personnel only, no part of this site was created by non-convicts so we understand your needs better." However, when pressed Mike Breach admitted that neither he nor co-founder, Chris Harvey, had spent any time behind bars. "It started off as a joke but people have been registering with us," he said. . Related Story Students hit by new reunion site From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 10:34:09 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:34:09 +1100 Subject: The vital private archive Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116052249.00a01310@pop.useoz.com> >>"You may not speak anonymously on CD-R". 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From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 10:38:09 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:38:09 +1100 Subject: Anarchist Links:Anarchy is not a lack of order. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116053503.00a747d0@pop.useoz.com> 1809 -- Pierre-Joseph Proudhon lives, France. Famous philosopher, economist, sociologist, often referred to as the 'father of modern anarchism'. Project Gutenberg (& other sites) has online texts of The Philosophy of Misery (written in response to Marx's attack on him, The Poverty of Philosophy) & What is Property. "Property is theft!" "Anarchy is order." http://burn.ucsd.edu/~anow/ppl/rev/proudhon/ http://www.cpm.ll.ehime-u.ac.jp/akamacHomePage/akamac_E-text_Links/Proudhon.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/ytak/janvier3.html#15 http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~multimed/theorie/klassik/owen/biographie.html http://www.uqac.uquebec.ca/zone30/Classiques_des_sciences_sociales/livres/Proudhon/proudhon.html http://www.wcnet.org/~paupers/subversions/ http://www.tattoomuseum.com/left/gallery/proudhon.shtml "Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me is my enemy." From nobody at remailer.privacy.at Tue Jan 15 20:49:02 2002 From: nobody at remailer.privacy.at (Anonymous) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:49:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Reformatted] Blueberry encryption for boston pigs? References: Message-ID: <2b18c3c616ea98d0356f312e56177341@remailer.privacy.at> nobody at xganon.com (xganon) writes: > We are interested in the 'encryption' used in these over-the-air > queries.............. > > http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAUW7L9HWC.html > > Handhelds Join Handcuffs at Boston > Airport in Fight Against Terrorism > By Leslie MillerAssociated Press Writer > Published: Jan 15, 2002 > > BOSTON (AP) - A pager-sized device that's more likely to be found in > a Wall Street briefcase than on a state trooper's belt may take its > place in the war against terrorism. > > Logan International Airport is the first in the nation to test the > BlackBerry as an electronic gateway to state and federal criminal > databases, giving law enforcement officers the kind of immediate > information resource they've longed for, but lacked. > > The wireless devices, made by Waterloo, Ontario-based Research > in Motion since 1999, are ubiquitous in the corporate world, > particularly by businesspeople who spend a lot of time away from > their desks and need to check e-mails or surf the World Wide Web. > > The BlackBerries being tested at Logan are packaged with software > that lets officers send encrypted queries to state and federal > databases over a wireless network and get responses in less than a > minute. > > State trooper Barry Newell carries his BlackBerry on patrols around > Logan. With the device, Newell can check whether a suspicious person > is on the FBI's terrorist watch list - without using a radio, > dispatcher, cruiser or computer. > > "The beauty of this system is you can do it yourself," Newell said. > > Logan officials are using the system as part of their effort to > strengthen security after 10 terrorists boarded two passenger jets on > Sept. 11 and crashed them into the World Trade Center. > > The BlackBerry patrols began two months ago after Aether Systems > Inc., which makes the PocketBlue software, offered to let Logan try > the $89-a-month devices for free. Aether said airports in three other > major cities are considering similar tests, but declined to say > where. > > At Logan, 10 troopers who'd been trained in counterterrorism were > taught to scroll through the BlackBerry's menu and send simple > queries to a distant computer about a suspect's criminal history. > A "hit" automatically sends an alarm to other troopers carrying a > BlackBerry. > > It's more efficient than a phone or radio query. > > "If you go and ask for a couple of registration checks through a > dispatcher, they'll get a little upset because you're adding to > the workload," said Gerald Burke, director of the New England Law > Enforcement Management Institute. > > Newell said he's identified several stolen cars in Logan's parking > using the device. > > Whether the BlackBerries could have helped prevent the terrorist > attacks isn't clear because the watch list only came into being after > Sept. 11, FBI spokeswoman Gail Marcinkiewicz said. > > "There was intelligence information out there," she said. "But the > watch list as we know it, as of Sept. 11, that format did not exist." > > State Police Capt. Thomas Robbins, Logan's interim public safety > director, thinks the BlackBerry-toting troopers may become a > permanent fixture at the airport, which is trying everything from > facial recognition systems to training ticket agents to recognize > suspicious activity. > > Aether's PocketBlue software was launched in June and is now being > used by law enforcement agencies in seven states, said David Grip, > marketing director for the mobile government division of the company, > which has headquarters in Owings Mills, Md. > > "Since Sept. 11, there's now a focus within airports and port > authorities to use the product," he said, adding Logan is the first > airport to try it. Law enforcement agencies are also using the > software in Ohio, Florida, California, Minnesota and the District of > Columbia, he said. > > There may be a market for the software, but, "there's a little bit of > a feeding frenzy," said Tim Quillin, an analyst with Stephens Inc. in > Little Rock, Ark. > > Federal transportation officials are open to the experiment. > > "We're interested and looking at anything that might improve > transportation security," said Paul Takemoto, spokesman for the > Transportation Security Administration. From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jan 16 05:23:13 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:23:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: CFP: PKI research workshop (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:38:40 +0800 From: Enzo Michelangeli Reply-To: Enzo Michelangeli To: EKR , Stef Caunter , "D. A. Honig" Cc: cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: Re: CFP: PKI research workshop > Here you're talking about "reputation of nyms", which doesn't require > third parties or certs, just well-kept secret keys of a PK pair. > If the remote entity keeps using the same PK keys, you can reasonably > update reputation > based on that alone. (They're essentially signing their behaviors.) On the other hand it must be said that, if reputation really worked as we would like, some sloppy and deservingly accident-prone Certification Authorities would be out of business by now. Enzo --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jan 16 05:37:34 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:37:34 -0600 Subject: Slashdot | Scientific American On Bad Patents Message-ID: <3C45821E.9F2599C3@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/02/01/16/0053217.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jya at pipeline.com Wed Jan 16 09:54:37 2002 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:54:37 -0800 Subject: Al Qaeda Crypto Message-ID: The Wall Street Journal today reports today on alleged Al Qaeda computer files bought from a seller in Kabul which were encoded and encrypted. A key encrypted document reports on a tour assessing terrorist targets in Egypt and Israel, very similar to the alleged travels of Richard C. Reid. The type of encryption is not identified, nor who provided help cracking the encryption with "an array of high-speed computers programmed to crack passwords." Excerpts: The computer contents included: -- A primer on coding and encryption of documents. Many of the text documents are not only protected by passwords but also couched in elliptical, coded language. The computer report on the travels of the Al Qaeda scout, protected by a complex password, was created on August 19 according to the computer's internal record. The Wall Street Journal commissioned an array of of high-speed computers programmed to crack passwords. They took five days to access the file. End excerpts. From piolenc at mozcom.com Tue Jan 15 18:38:00 2002 From: piolenc at mozcom.com (F. Marc de Piolenc) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:38:00 +0800 Subject: The vital private archive References: <3C445DA7.B1146491@lsil.com> Message-ID: <3C44E788.AF957599@mozcom.com> Michael Motyka wrote: > >E-books are already a fact, but most are sold with the same retail > >machinery as regular books, so changing the medium doesn't change the > >risk. > > > I mean something more along the lines of encrypting each of your > electronic books and burning it to a CD. Nobody should be able to tell > by looking what you read, nobody should be able to compromise someone > else's library. Then the issue of reading habits become null. All tools > should be open source. Essentially they already exist - just need a > little packaging. That's pretty much what I understood you to say. The problem is that somewhere in the bookdealers' and jobbers' archives, the sales record will have to be accessible by title and by customer or customer category. In the case of a cash sale, of course, there's no problem, but if a credit card was involved the dealer has to be able to retrieve the record by name in case there's a chargeback or complaint. So the vulnerability to a police razzia still exists. Marc From jal at abulafia.com Wed Jan 16 11:07:35 2002 From: jal at abulafia.com (Jamie Lawrence) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:07:35 -0800 Subject: [PLANNING FEB CPUNKS] Who's going to be in the Bay Area in February for RSA? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20020115001954.035f8470@idiom.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020116110648.01abf8d0@10.0.0.2> Sometime around 12:42 AM 1/15/2002 -0800, Bill Stewart opined thusly: >The not-totally-firm plans are to have the cypherpunks meeting >at Codecon on Saturday afternoon (the conference is Friday-Sunday). >Bram (the conference organizer) will probably be able to comp us attendance >(the full conference is $50), but he needs to do a schedule. >Some of the crypto projects being talked about include Cryptomail >and Zooko talking about Mojo Nation derivatives. > >Who's going to be in town that weekend? >Would you like to speak at the Cypherpunks meeting, >either as an organized talk or as a works-in-progress session? I'm around, and would like to be there. Nothing really to speak about, formally. -j From jal at abulafia.com Wed Jan 16 11:22:49 2002 From: jal at abulafia.com (Jamie Lawrence) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:22:49 -0800 Subject: [PLANNING FEB CPUNKS] Who's going to be in the Bay Area in February for RSA? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020116110648.01abf8d0@10.0.0.2> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20020115001954.035f8470@idiom.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020116112142.02ff4278@10.0.0.2> Oops. Sorry about that. While I'm sure the entire world really was interested in my plans for that weekend, I didn't mean to reply to the list. -j From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 16:42:53 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:42:53 +1100 Subject: No to Cryptanalysis within a thousand miles of schools,playgrounds and legislative chambers. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116114019.00a71d50@pop.useoz.com> Subject: Oh Captain,My Captain! > http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,49678,00.html > > WHY?WHY?!WHY? He was so young. I highly highly recommend the movie 'Nothing So Strange'! This movie is so good that I have now watched it 423 times in a row. I have watched it non-stop since I first received it anonymously in the mail from Bill Gate's wife and her secret lover, Robb London. I don't eat, I don't sleep, I just sit and sharpen my ChainSaw, and watch the movie over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and... ---- ----- Full Text Of oToT's ReView&OR&ReVue&OR&DJVue may be seen at: http://clueserver.org From frissell at panix.com Wed Jan 16 10:41:45 2002 From: frissell at panix.com (Duncan Frissell) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:41:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cypherpunk Agitprop. In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116214834.00a7e430@pop.useoz.com> Message-ID: > http://www.anarchymag.org/52/violence.html > > "Stop the Violence!"? > Policing the antiglobalization movement > > The antiglobalization movement will continue to build in numbers, > coherence and effectiveness as evidenced by the recent events in Gothenburg, > Sweden and Genoa, Italy. NBL. The international organizations will merely relocate their meetings to more defensible locations. The Canadian Rockies will be a little harder to storm during the next Gang of Seven meeting. Davos relocated to NYC where the 40K cops are used to imposing frozen zones and indulging in anti terror policing. Some may also choose to meet in US sunbelt cities whose auto-friendly streets are not protest friendly. Open prospects easy to defend. Politicos and police departments not friendly to socialists from out of town. And with an armed citizenry (concealed carry laws) and the death penalty. > (This will happen despite the currently > overwhelming mainstream-media focus on Bush's crusade against non-US- and > non-Israeli-controlled terrorism.) Just as importantly, more and more people > around the world are increasingly sympathetic with the range of messages and > goals associated with the antiglobalization movement. As a direct result, > the establishment media around the world continue to work overtime to put a > negative spin on the movement, while the national and international forces > of repression are also becoming increasingly active, violent and deadly. Even the Euro-wimps are starting to crack down on foreign terrorist cells operating on their soil. May make it harder for mass demo organizing. World War IV - The War on Terrorism - has already been and will continue to be hard on a movement that uses demos (as opposed to entity building) as its main strategic and tactical technique. DCF ---- "Kill a Commie for Christ" -- Courtesy of the National Commission for the Preservation of Ancient Right Wing Slogans From 38merchantacc at msn.com Wed Jan 16 07:47:53 2002 From: 38merchantacc at msn.com (38merchantacc at msn.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:47:53 -0200 Subject: ACCEPT CREDIT CARDS & TRIPLE YOUR SALES 28068 Message-ID: <200201160341.VAA25683@einstein.ssz.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 4670 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 18:49:37 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:49:37 +1100 Subject: InterGalactic Anarchist Convention Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116134636.00a82600@pop.useoz.com> InterGalactic Anarchist Convention January 17 - January 20, 2002 / New York City We have always lived in slums & holes in the wall. . . We will know how to accommodate ourselves for a time. For, you must not forget, we can also build. It is we the workers who built these palaces & cities, here in Spain & in America & everywhere. We, the workers. We can build others to take their place. & better ones. We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth. There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie might blast & ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history. We carry a new world here, in our hearts, & that world is growing in this minute.  Buenaventura Durruti Do you want to come with me to New York City Yes or no?It is a question of life and death for us all. We will either conquer or die,because defeat will be so terrible that we could not survive it. But we will conquer.I have faith in our victory. I only regret that I speak to you in this space. Someday with capital abolished we will live in a free society. From 16acceptcredit at msn.com Wed Jan 16 07:49:54 2002 From: 16acceptcredit at msn.com (16acceptcredit at msn.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:49:54 -0200 Subject: ACCEPT CREDIT CARDS & TRIPLE YOUR SALES 28519 Message-ID: <20000116023837.44DC92C240@mail.land-5.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 4670 bytes Desc: not available URL: From faustine. at hushmail.com Wed Jan 16 13:58:44 2002 From: faustine. at hushmail.com (faustine. at hushmail.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:58:44 -0800 Subject: Cypherpunk Agitprop. Message-ID: <200201162158.g0GLwit46947@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 1748 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 19:00:16 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:00:16 +1100 Subject: Worlds biggest Gunshops; USUK Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116135602.00a821e0@pop.useoz.com> #1bn arms push to India.Worlds biggest Minefield created.Nuclear sabre rattling in south west asia. Blair criticised over deal days after promoting peace. 60 Hawk jets in package promoted by ministers. by Richard Norton-Taylor and Ewen MacAskill Saturday January 12, 2002 The Guardian The government is mounting an intensive campaign to boost arms sales to India, including 60 Hawk jets worth #1bn, in spite of the danger of the India-Pakistan dispute over Kashmir spilling into war and destabilising the entire region. The arms push comes only a week after Tony Blair visited India and Pakistan. 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Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116141407.00a83eb0@pop.useoz.com> Rude remarks out of order By KELLY RYAN 16jan02 A WAYWARD weighing machine that told a woman "get off fat pig" has been hastily removed from a busy shopping centre. Red-faced operators pulled the plug on the renegade scales after furious complaints about offensive comments it added to personal weight details. The coin-operated scales are programmed simply to print a person's height, weight and body mass details. One man was stunned to read "Fat c---" at the bottom of his ticket. The Body Weight machine, one of about 20 in Melbourne, was removed from the Greensborough Plaza yesterday. Bruce Hamilton weighed himself on Sunday, concerned he was carrying some extra Christmas padding. The machine told him his weight was up slightly to 79kg. But his wife noticed the message on the bottom of the ticket. "I was more worried about my weight than the message," the Greensborough father-of-two said yesterday. "But it is a public facility and some people could have been devastated and deeply offended by it." Supplier Ian Sargent said he believed only one weight machine had been maliciously tampered with. Mr Sargent, who admitted to "a couple of new love handles since Christmas", said he would have been offended by the message. Normally, tickets carry nice messages such as "Happy Christmas" or "Happy New Year". Technicians have now changed a password that allows access to a hidden keypad within the machines. Mr Sargent described the episode as a "cruel practical joke". From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 19:25:30 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:25:30 +1100 Subject: Lap Tops A Go Go. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116142334.00a84c30@pop.useoz.com> $1.2m PCs go missing By RICK WALLACE 16jan02 MORE than 500 notebook computers were lost or stolen from federal government agencies in the past year. The lost computers, some of which contain sensitive government documents, will cost taxpayers $1.2 million And bureaucrats seem to have few clues about where they went. Just two convictions have been recorded over their disappearance. And with several large departments, including the tax office and defence, yet to report losses the toll could climb higher. Telstra headed the lists of worst offenders for computer losses with 357. The telecommunications giant lost 170 to carelessness and 187 to theft, costing $645,000. But its performance was better than the year before, when it lost 1000. The CSIRO, Australia Post and the Family and Community Services Department were among the other leading losers. Along with taxpayers' money, the losses have also seen top-level government secrets lost. A notebook computer that vanished from the Department of Industry and Resources contained a Cabinet document. Another that disappeared from the Prime Minister's department contained a report from the Auditor-General. Agencies that re sponded to the questions also lost another $332,000 in desktop computers and electronic equipment. From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 19:38:53 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:38:53 +1100 Subject: BIOTERROR THREAT ALERT. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116143021.00a849b0@pop.useoz.com> 1984  Extortionist sends letter to Queensland Primary Industries Department threatening to release foot and mouth virus unless state jails are reformed. 70 McDonalds junk food frannies are on "alert" today after a big anthrax mailout.Proffr denies any involvement and has bombproof alibi.(he was shagging sheep.) Fruit fly and fireants are being spread around OZ by undercover laskar jihadis,according to phone psychic Baba Rum Rasin Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad of Malaysia said that the United States has been learning from his country how to combat terrorism and that the West, which once accused him of trampling on human rights, now is following him. "It's no good taking action after the crime," Mr. Mahathir said. "We have to act in anticipation, and not in the usual manner, because having to find proof of a crime which has not yet been committed is difficult."Zambia and Zimbabwe have also been quick to crack down on International terrorism. From mattd at useoz.com Tue Jan 15 19:54:21 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:54:21 +1100 Subject: True Names Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116145114.00a03d80@pop.useoz.com> True lies...unless you use dna... Blood spilt in anti-war anger By DENNIS SCHULZ Wednesday 16 January 2002 When Ararat artist Geoff Todd decided to use his own blood as a painting medium, he was unprepared for the psychological result. Todd had chosen to paint in his blood to make a dramatic statement decrying Prime Minister John Howard's decision to become involved in the war in Afghanistan. But when the images began to take shape on his canvas, the blood/paint took on an intimate meaning that the artist never foresaw. "I was overcome by the fact that this was more serious than I intended," says Todd. "It has a sort of sacredness." The first of Todd's paintings, (to be catalogued as "artist's blood, acrylic medium and charcoal on canvas") are now complete, with two to be entered in the Dobell Prize for drawing at the Art Gallery of New South Wales later this year. They are works expressing the artist's outrage over the decision to commit troops to a foreign conflict. "It worries me that we were prepared to respond so aggressively, so quickly," says Todd. "I think Mr Howard's response was too quick. No one took a breath and I know that politicians at that level are allowed to take a breath." An artist of international repute, who is perhaps better known in Europe and South-East Asia than in his native Australia, Todd has never sidestepped controversy. At the opening of a 1996 Indonesian exhibition, a Todd drawing of a nude was ordered by police to be covered. The work was later shown at the Australian Embassy in Jakarta. Then, as Indonesia prepared to go to the polls in 1999, he produced a one-man show at the Museum Benteng Vredeberg in Yogyakarta depicting the turbulent life of revolutionary hero Diponegoro. Todd's work struck a chord with Indonesians who were searching for candidates of substance, epitomised by the 19th-century ascetic who nearly brought the colonial Dutch undone. The idea to use blood as a medium came to Todd, 51, while working at his studio/home in the old Terminus Hotel in Ararat. Angered by reports that the provenance of works by Aboriginal artists were being questioned by urban art dealers, Todd reasoned that the only way indigenous artists would be able to establish authorship was to provide blood samples on the back of their paintings that could then be DNA tested.MORE AT... http://theage.com.au/entertainment/2002/01/16/FFXVE7RPGWC.html From xeni at xeni.net Wed Jan 16 16:26:06 2002 From: xeni at xeni.net (Xeni Jardin) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:26:06 -0800 Subject: Russia: New Electronic Digital Signature law signed by Putin Message-ID: Forwarding this from a friend in Russia (Michael Novikov, founder of Russia-based consultancy www.admin.spb.ru). The original source is a legal alert published by the US-based law firm Baker and Mackenzie. --XJ ===8<==============Original message text=============== Electronic Digital Signature Law now in Russia On 10 January 2002, the Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the Federal Law No. 1-FZ "On Electronic Digital Signature" On 14 January the Law was officially published and, as a result, it went into effect. Unfortunately, it seems that this new law will not create enough confidence to drastically increase the use of electronic documents in Russia. In fact, the impact of the Law on IT business and commerce in Russia would be far more significant if a draft Law on Electronic Trade was also adopted, since this draft law contains important provisions with respect to the use of electronic documents (including use as evidence in court), as well as, other provisions relating to transactions concluded over the Internet. Additionally, several practical limitations, which we have described below, will most likely serve as barriers to the value of the Law. The underlying concept of the Law establishes encryption as the only method whereby a valid (from the standpoint of Russian law) electronic digital signature may be created. The Law is drafted to intentionally omit other analogues of personal signatures and exclude the use of other technologies for electronic digital signature creation. Further, the Law limits the scope of use of electronic digital signatures to civil law transactions and transactions where electronic digital signatures are specifically permitted under other Russian legislation; as of today, such specific references only exist in the Russian Civil Code. Accordingly, an electronic digital signature can be used for any civil law contract (with a few exceptions specified below), but cannot be used for signing of any electronic documents submitted to the government authorities. Equally, it cannot be used for signing of any civil law documentation that will subsequently need state registration (or notarisation). Basic Provisions of the Law The Law defines an electronic digital signature as: (1) A part of an electronic document that is designated to protect the document from falsification; (2) A product of encryption using a secret key; and (3) The part of the document that allows for the authentication of the rightful holder of the secret key, as well as, a point of reference that can assist in detecting any distorted information contained in a document. A person may have a number of electronic signatures. An electronic signature is deemed equivalent to a handwritten signature if the following three conditions are complied with: (1) The certificate of the open key of the signature is valid at the time of the authentication or at the time of the signing of the document; (2) The signature owner's name and the secret key match and there is no evidence that the document has been distorted; and (3) The document signed with the electronic signature falls within the scope of the transaction(s) and the restrictions indicated in the certificate. When the abovementioned conditions are met, the electronic document will be deemed-by operation of law-to be legally signed by the individual. Thus, the transaction will have binding legal force. Certificates of Electronic Digital Signature and Certification Centres Certification of electronic digital signature should be issued in hard copy. Foreign certificates will be recognized in Russia, provided that they are on paper and duly certified (notarised and legalized or apostilled). Activity of the centres that are authorized to authenticate digital signatures and issue the certificates for open keys (the "Centres") will be subject to regulation by "an authorized federal executive body" which is to be selected (and dismissed) by the Government. It should be noted that the Law does not name the particular government body that will carry out this function. Further, the Law tends to be conservative with respect to the rights of the Centre to the detriment of the holders of certificates and the recipients of digitally signed documents. Use of Electronic Digital Signature In conclusion, taken the abovementioned points into account, the contents of a document signed on paper and stamped with a company seal may be considered legally equivalent to an electronic document if the content is converted into an electronic form and the e-document is electronically signed by an "authorized" company officer. However, under the Law, electronic digital signatures used in public domain (any information system open for use to anyone) must be created exclusively by means of software and hardware certified in Russia. Since certification in Russia can be a lengthy process that may require, among other things, that the software is de-compiled, many companies will not be able to reap the benefits of electronic digital signatures. Source: Baker & McKenzie Legal Alert, 14 January 2002 Baker & McKenzie, http://www.bakernet.com (MN) ===8<===========End of original message text=========== From tcmay at got.net Wed Jan 16 17:23:14 2002 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:23:14 -0800 Subject: Slashdot | Mathematical Analysis of Gnutella In-Reply-To: <27.214f7dd0.2977732f@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 16, 2002, at 04:22 PM, Oliver7870 at aol.com wrote: > take me off this list. > > No. We will keep you on this list as an example to others of the dangers of cluelessness. --Tim May ""Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." --Patrick Henry From anonymous at mixmaster.nullify.org Wed Jan 16 15:30:03 2002 From: anonymous at mixmaster.nullify.org (Incognito Innominatus) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:30:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: Paki ISI vs. Arthur Anderson Message-ID: <8dcad9cd4512ed8c0b5476089ea2b634@mixmaster.nullify.org> Arthur Anderson could take a lesson in covert document destruction from the ISI... http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/160102/dlfor15.asp Fire guts Pakistan government edifice holding extremist records AFP Islamabad, January 16 A 16-storey government ministry building reportedly containing sensitive records on extremist religious organisations was almost completely gutted in the Pakistani capital, police said Wednesday. Authorities said it appeared a fire, which started on the upper floors, was caused by a short circuit but were not ruling out other causes. The Shaheed-i-Millat building housed 15 government departments, including the record-keeping offices of the interior ministry. Reports said the records included information on extremist religious organisations and firearms. ....... From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jan 16 15:43:34 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:43:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: Hot Air Jihads. In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20020117031748.00a72be0@pop.useoz.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, mattd wrote: > nobody has trusted Iran's leadership enough to genuinely believe he would be > able to collect the reward, and thus the apparently size of the reward is > discounted in people's minds. When I respond to these objectors, I point > out that if Iran was REALLY In other words there is no mechanism to prevent cheating... -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jan 16 15:46:42 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:46:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: Linux-style kernel PRNGs and the FIPS140-2 test (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:20:17 +1100 From: Greg Rose To: Thor Lancelot Simon Cc: cryptography at wasabisystems.com, tls at reefedge.com Subject: Re: Linux-style kernel PRNGs and the FIPS140-2 test There was an error in the bounds for the runs test specified by NIST; last october they updated FIPS 140-2 to specify new bounds. An updated version of my code can be found at http://people.qualcomm.com/ggr/QC/ (our old web pages are stale, and I'm still trying to have them taken down by our ex-ISP). Here's an excerpt from the comment in the new code: * Version 1.3 -- Bill Chauncey and his colleages pointed out to NIST that * the bounds in the runs test were incorrect. * They issued an update 2001-oct-10. If the new one still shows an anomalous number of runs test failures, there is a real problem. regards, Greg. At 03:23 PM 1/15/2002 -0500, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: >Many operating systems use "Linux-style" (environmental noise >stirred with a hash function) generators to provide "random" >and pseudorandom data on /dev/random and /dev/urandom >respectively. A few modify the general Linux design by adding an >output buffer which is not stirred so that bits which have already >been output are not stirred into the pool of "new" "random" data >(IMO, not doing this is insane, but that's a different subject). > >The enclosed implementation of the FIPS140-1/2 statistical test >appears to show that such generators fail the "runs" test quite >regularly. Interestingly, the Linux generator seems to do better >the longer you let it run (which, perhaps, suggests that quite a >bit of data should be run through it at boot time and discarded) >but other, related generators do not. > >The usual failure mode is "too many runs of 1 1s". Using MD5 >instead of SHA1 as the mixing function, the Linux generator >also displays "too many runs of 1 0s". I have not yet seen >other failure modes from these generators. > >To reproduce my results, just compile the enclosed and do >"a.out < /dev/urandom" on your platform of choice. > >Thor Greg Rose INTERNET: ggr at qualcomm.com Qualcomm Australia VOICE: +61-2-9817 4188 FAX: +61-2-9817 5199 Level 3, 230 Victoria Road, http://people.qualcomm.com/ggr/ Gladesville NSW 2111 232B EC8F 44C6 C853 D68F E107 E6BF CD2F 1081 A37C --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jan 16 15:47:27 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:47:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: CodeCon presentations announced and registration open (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:00:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bram Cohen To: Crypto List Subject: CodeCon presentations announced and registration open CodeCon is the premier event in 2002 for the P2P, cypherpunk, and network/security application developer community. It is a workshop for developers of real-world applications that support individual liberties. CodeCon registration is $50, a $10 discount is available if you register prior to February 1st. It will be held February 15-17, noon-5pm, at DNA lounge in San Francisco. http://codecon.org/ Presentations will include - * Peek-A-Booty - a distributed anti-censorship application * Invisible IRC Project - secure, anonymous client/server networks * Idel - lightweight mobile code for p2p cpu sharing * Reptile - a distributed but uniform content exchange mechanism * MNet - a universal shared filestore * Alpine - a social discovery mechanism which can handle high churn rates, malicious peers, and limited bandwidth * Eikon - an image search engine * CryptoMail - encrypted email for all * libfreenet - a case study in horrors incomprehensible to the mind of man, and other secure protocol design mistakes * BitTorrent - hosting large, popular files cheaply --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jan 16 15:48:24 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:48:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: [ISN] Wireless LANs: Trouble in the Air (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:29:02 -0500 From: "R. A. Hettinga" To: Digital Bearer Settlement List , cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: [ISN] Wireless LANs: Trouble in the Air --- begin forwarded text From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jan 16 15:48:50 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:48:50 -0600 (CST) Subject: password-cracking by journalists... (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:15:21 -0500 From: Steve Bellovin To: cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: password-cracking by journalists... A couple of months ago, a Wall Street Journal reporter bought two abandoned al Qaeda computers from a looter in Kabul. Some of the files on those machines were encrypted. But they're dealing with that problem: The unsigned report, protected by a complex password, was created on Aug. 19, according to the Kabul computer's internal record. The Wall Street Journal commissioned an array of high-speed computers programmed to crack passwords. They took five days to access the file. Does anyone have any technical details on this? (I assume that it's a standard password-guessing approach, but it it would be nice to know for certain. If nothing else, are Arabic passwords easier or harder to guess than, say, English ones?) --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Wed Jan 16 18:23:33 2002 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:23:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) Message-ID: <200201170223.g0H2Nch22208@artifact.psychedelic.net> Seems our intrepid reporter has given Mr. Saint George, the ZeoSync CEO, his own writeup in Wired News. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,49599,00.html Particularly interesting is the following claim... "What hasn't been previously proven, we're proving. We can compress every single permutation of an N-member set. These are going to be the details that we're going to be announcing in a few days." Last I counted, there were N! permutations of an N-member set, and N^N sequences of N elements taken from an N-member set. For big N, and even moderately sized N, N! << N^N. I hope Mr. Saint George hasn't spent the last 12 years of his life discovering that permutations are compressable. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From Oliver7870 at aol.com Wed Jan 16 16:22:07 2002 From: Oliver7870 at aol.com (Oliver7870 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:22:07 EST Subject: Slashdot | Mathematical Analysis of Gnutella Message-ID: <27.214f7dd0.2977732f@aol.com> take me off this list. From georgemw at speakeasy.net Wed Jan 16 19:30:31 2002 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:30:31 -0800 Subject: Random Data Compressed 100:1 (Guffaw) In-Reply-To: <200201170223.g0H2Nch22208@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: <3C45D4D7.17277.22885A7@localhost> On 16 Jan 2002, at 18:23, Eric Cordian wrote: > Seems our intrepid reporter has given Mr. Saint George, the ZeoSync CEO, > his own writeup in Wired News. > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,49599,00.html > > Particularly interesting is the following claim... > > "What hasn't been previously proven, we're proving. We can compress > every single permutation of an N-member set. These are going to be the > details that we're going to be announcing in a few days." > > Last I counted, there were N! permutations of an N-member set, and N^N > sequences of N elements taken from an N-member set. > > For big N, and even moderately sized N, N! << N^N. > > I hope Mr. Saint George hasn't spent the last 12 years of his life > discovering that permutations are compressable. > > -- > Eric Michael Cordian 0+ > O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division > "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" > > Haven't checked the gzip site in a long time, but last time I did there was some amusing stuff there. The guy who wrote it (gzip) mentioned that he had had to spend a lot more time investigating patents than investigating compression techniques (to make sure that gzip didn't step on any), as I recall he found several differnt patents claiming to have algorithms for compressing random data (which he quite rightly dismissed as the equivalent of perpetual motion). One (already patented) technique was essentially moving the data from the file to the filename. That is, I take a file called "Readme.txt" with the info "Hello World", and I rename the file as "Readme_Hello world.txt" and the file is now zero length! I suspect the ZeoSync people are trying something similar. George From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jan 16 19:01:34 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:01:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: (Un)Subscription Instructions In-Reply-To: <27.214f7dd0.2977732f@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 Oliver7870 at aol.com wrote: > take me off this list. > http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jamesd at echeque.com Wed Jan 16 21:02:20 2002 From: jamesd at echeque.com (jamesd at echeque.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:02:20 -0800 Subject: When prisoners of war aren't even close. (Was: RE: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C45EA5C.24839.4B1D22@localhost> -- On 14 Jan 2002, at 8:06, John Young wrote: > Despite what has been promoted by the media (and > orchestrated leaks to it by the US and UK): > > 1. No definitive link between Al Qweda and the 911 > attackers/Moussaoui has been proven; only assertions have > been to date. We have the tape, in which Bin Laden says that he, and some cleric in Saudi Arabia, knew the plan and the targets before the hijackers did. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG d/O9rkL0/HezMCZWfuj8F6+eoLzN6zOAfu6362JL 4+z9cVraLwspghJ+NS+uNe8F+g01oBLHFSD2mkmCL From jamesd at echeque.com Wed Jan 16 21:28:11 2002 From: jamesd at echeque.com (jamesd at echeque.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:28:11 -0800 Subject: Cypherpunk Agitprop. In-Reply-To: References: <200201162158.g0GLwit46947@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <3C45F06B.6145.62CA31@localhost> -- On 16 Jan 2002, at 21:45, Aimee Farr wrote: > Texas humor. It's misunderstood. It's partially my fault > you caught hell, I "aggravated" Tim. In retrospect, it was > most unwise. I should try to stay out of his radar. You aggravated us all. Tim just expresses it more fluently and floridly than most. > I have many admirers. Doubtless it came as a relief when you were transferred away from sex crime entrapment duties. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG J1rPQ+UW19a4gMWJayli65Y3KYFMeDFt1O3EpKVP 4cGICff0BENJ/c/wJiRZdpAKWMkU4edfdM+B2nwxd From aimee.farr at pobox.com Wed Jan 16 19:45:49 2002 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:45:49 -0600 Subject: Cypherpunk Agitprop. In-Reply-To: <200201162158.g0GLwit46947@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> Message-ID: Faustine: > Aimee wrote: > > >I'm so damn mad, I can't even subscribe to a mailing list..... > > > YEAH!!! THAT'S THE SPIRIT!!!!! Spirit of ignorance. Somebody FWD'd a quip from Tim May, posted to another list, referring to an "Agent Farr," connected with hypothetical terroristic acts. I am only a victim of May's master polemics. > But I have to admit I was rather hoping you'd come back > anonymously to mix it up > and give everyone a little hell in the grand manner. Oh well. I'm going to disappoint you. > You know, people around here just aren't the same without a > sufficient number > of convenient targets to flatter their egotistical delusions about being > followed around by crack teams of Special Agents who find them so > fascinating > they can't resist posting replies in their pet forums. (Admitting > you have a > research interest in people who think they're subjects of > surveillance just > wasn't important enough, I guess.) Texas humor. It's misunderstood. It's partially my fault you caught hell, I "aggravated" Tim. In retrospect, it was most unwise. I should try to stay out of his radar. > You haven't missed much though. Did you know that a lard-assed > welfare parasite > arsonist lunatic put a four-dollar bounty on your head a month or > so ago? No, I didn't. I have many admirers. > I was > quite offended mine wasn't any higher-- I'm flattered my head was worth $4. My first TNA. > "I have always been among those who believe that the greatest > freedom of speech > was the greatest safety, because if a man is a fool, the best > thing to do is to > encourage him to advertise the fact by speaking." > - --Woodrow Wilson :) Reminds me, book of situational interest: American Political Prisoners: Prosecutions [Under the Espionage and Sedition Acts] By Stephen M. Kohn (Praeger, 1994, ISBN: 0-275-94415-8, 240 pages). The gist: The book is the product of FOIA requests (and a successful lawsuit), consisting of official correspondence, letters from prisoners, photos, etc. of people "not thinking correctly." The prisoners in the book ran a gamut from labor, anarchists, pacifists, etc. Conditions of confinement were so poor, that some died before trial, others went insane, or become infected with TB in prison. Many of them simply circulated written material. Statements such as "gone crazy over patriotism," "We need preparedness, not to kill one another, but to live peaceably, happily and equally," and "war is organized murder," effectively netted people torturous, abusive conditions. We convicted several preachers for preaching "do not kill," others for criticizing war bonds, many for membership in the IWW, and a substantial number of people based on no evidence whatsoever. (WWI was trench warfare. The military had not yet mastered combat discipline.) In the eyes of many, patriotism was used as a weapon to quash a movement (organized labor) seen as a threat to our power structure. It put an ugly, human perspective on what I otherwise knew as just a few cases and names. The laws are still on the books. (Our sabotage and espionage laws do need reworking.) I was struck by how some called themselves "internationalists." Our national security outlook predicts the rise of NGOs and networks based on subnational identifiers, which will be the cause of subversion and insurrection on a global scale. It doesn't sound too much unlike the "internationalists," does it? The reaction in other countries will no doubt be more extreme. (I don't envy our people that have to make foreign faction-calls in the coming environment, it's like sticking your head in a guillotine.) ~Aimee From Use-Author-Supplied-Address at [127.1] Wed Jan 16 13:49:29 2002 From: Use-Author-Supplied-Address at [127.1] (Anonymous) Date: 16 Jan 2002 21:49:29 -0000 Subject: Treason files: Davis' wiretap illegal Message-ID: Legal Advice Sinks Davis' Wiretap Bill Security: The proposal is dropped after legislative counsel finds "roving" tracking of calls illegal. http://latimes.com/news/local/la-011602taps.story MIGUEL BUSTILLO and NANCY VOGEL, Times Staff Writers SACRAMENTO -- Gov. Gray Davis' proposal to let state and local police obtain roving wiretaps on suspected criminals was dropped from the legislation containing it Tuesday after the legislative counsel's office concluded that it was illegal. The proposal, a centerpiece of Davis' State of the State address last week, had been welcomed by some law enforcement leaders but criticized by civil libertarians and some liberals. Davis unveiled the idea at the outset of a reelection bid in which he faces challenges from three Republicans--former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan, Secretary of State Bill Jones and investor Bill Simon Jr.--each vying for the GOP nomination to take on the Democratic incumbent. Asked to size up the chances of a roving-wiretap bill passing now, Assemblyman Fred Keeley (D-Boulder Creek) said: "I think none. There is no opportunity, because whether the Legislature has the will or not, our attorney is telling us it is moot because we lack the authority." From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 16 02:50:28 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:50:28 +1100 Subject: Cypherpunk Agitprop. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116214834.00a7e430@pop.useoz.com> http://www.anarchymag.org/52/violence.html "Stop the Violence!"? Policing the antiglobalization movement The antiglobalization movement will continue to build in numbers, coherence and effectiveness as evidenced by the recent events in Gothenburg, Sweden and Genoa, Italy. (This will happen despite the currently overwhelming mainstream-media focus on Bush's crusade against non-US- and non-Israeli-controlled terrorism.) Just as importantly, more and more people around the world are increasingly sympathetic with the range of messages and goals associated with the antiglobalization movement. As a direct result, the establishment media around the world continue to work overtime to put a negative spin on the movement, while the national and international forces of repression are also becoming increasingly active, violent and deadly. This isn't unexpected for all those who understand that no government in the world, nor any multinational corporation seeking to steal and exploit the world's resources, will sit by and allow such a potentially powerful and even potentially revolutionary movement to develop unhindered. Violence has always been the last-though in many places and times also the first-resort of the rich and the powerful when confronted by growing legions of protestors resisting their rule. The responses are predictable. The people who have gained riches all out of proportion to the value of their contributions (if any) to society have rarely made their fortunes without large doses of theft, payoffs, lies, intimidation, or the fruits of other forms of corruption and violence. And the people who occupy positions of official power in government don't generally get there by practicing honesty, sensitivity, justice and nonviolence; they get there by giving exactly what is demanded to the large corporations, powerful institutions and rich families who bought their elections (or otherwise installed them in power). This means that from the minute the first radical activist even thought about protesting global summits, there were already teams of intelligence agents, secret police (FBI, CIA, DIA, BATF, etc.) and local red squads at work to defend their masters. Most of these agents and police carry deadly weapons for a good reason-they are ready to imprison or kill anyone who threatens the status quo of concentrated political power, concentrated wealth, concentrated media, the corporate rape of the earth for the extraction of resources, industrial production and consumption, wage slavery and submission to law. So who are always the first people to call out to those who protest to "Stop the Violence!"? Is it the people who are being assaulted and beaten by cops, gassed with chemical weapons, shot with "non-lethal" as well as deadly weapons? The people who are suffering the brunt of the violence? Of course not. This call almost always comes from those who support the great mass of violence that is always aimed at the protestors by police, their provocateurs and other government-controlled armed forces. All the opponents of antiglobalization protests are quite happy and eager to join in calls to stop the violence of both already self-proclaimed "non-violent" protestors as well as of those protestors who reserve the power to fight back in self-defense when attacked, herded or corralled by cops. At the same time, the ubiquitous police violence remains invisible to these people. Why is this? State authorities, corporate leaders and their bought-&-paid-for mass media have one major aim-to hobble, confuse, and eventually disperse and destroy the current antiglobalization upsurge. Their range of tactics will include anything that works without causing too many other problems for them. This means that police violence and judicial repression, along with lies and the sowing of mass confusion will remain their favored set of weapons. Since the truth about capitalism and globalization is their enemy, they will make every effort to obscure it. And since an informed, concerned, and active populace is also their enemy, they will take every opportunity to intimidate, harass, beat, jail and terrorize protestors whenever they can get away with it. This means one thing above all others for those sympathetic with the aims of antiglobalization protests: Anyone who calls on antiglobalization protestors to "Stop the Violence!" without much more pointedly and vocally calling for an end to violence by cops is playing into the hands of the cops, their governmental masters, and the corporate mass media. The more liberal arm of the establishment, corporate media will rarely fail to encourage and praise the liberal, progressive and pacifist globalization-reform elements for their "responsibility" (read: "ineffectiveness at fundamentally challenging the powers-that-be"), while demonizing the radical anticapitalists among antiglobalization protestors. This is obviously because the liberal arm of the corporate media understands the importance of recuperating radical resistance. The more conservative arm of the mass media, like the "bad cop" of the "good" and "bad cop" routine, will generally denounce any protestors anywhere who aren't explicitly demanding more power to the corporations and state. Thus, the liberal media will always eat up statements like that of Anne Summers, the international board chair of Greenpeace, who wrote in the Sydney Morning Herald (7/23/01) that "...the violent part of the [antiglobalization] movement is to be condemned," even as she expressed (what she obviously considers an uncontroversial opinion) that people should seriously consider the criticisms of the antiglobalization movement by Henry Kissinger (a man responsible for nothing less than mass murder in a number of countries!). By such statements people like Anne Summers make themselves the enemies of the antiglobalization movement and must be treated as such. Any genuine movement criticisms of protest violence must always be framed in the explicit context of the condemnation of the (always much more brutal and illegitimate) violence of the forces of state and corporate repression. Jason McQuinn, Editor From measl at mfn.org Wed Jan 16 20:03:48 2002 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:03:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: Slashdot | Mathematical Analysis of Gnutella In-Reply-To: <27.214f7dd0.2977732f@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 Oliver7870 at aol.com wrote: > take me off this list. No. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From bill.stewart at pobox.com Wed Jan 16 22:09:51 2002 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:09:51 -0800 Subject: When prisoners of war aren't even close. (Was: RE: Rogue terror state violates Geneva Convention) In-Reply-To: <3C45EA5C.24839.4B1D22@localhost> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20020116220845.033ca4e0@idiom.com> At 09:02 PM 01/16/2002 -0800, jamesd at echeque.com wrote: > -- >On 14 Jan 2002, at 8:06, John Young wrote: > > > Despite what has been promoted by the media (and > > orchestrated leaks to it by the US and UK): > > > > 1. No definitive link between Al Qweda and the 911 > > attackers/Moussaoui has been proven; only assertions have > > been to date. > >We have the tape, in which Bin Laden says that he, and some >cleric in Saudi Arabia, knew the plan and the targets before >the hijackers did. Also, wasn't bin Laden involved in the previous attempt to blow up the world trade center, which had the FBI informant helping them? From mean-green at hushmail.com Wed Jan 16 22:15:43 2002 From: mean-green at hushmail.com (mean-green at hushmail.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:15:43 -0800 Subject: IS-59a CDMA security flaw (was: NSA crippling of crypto makes Congress vulnerable to attack) Message-ID: <200201170615.g0H6FhE16883@mailserver2b.hushmail.com> At 05:27 PM 1/15/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote: >Cellphones are easily interceptable. Indeed they may be. The 196 European Patent EP0752772A2 of James A Reeds, assigned to AT&T details one of the major IS59a cryptogrphic flaws the following passage of the Summary section: "A previously unrecognized problem with the cryptographic system that is specified by the (IS-59a) Draft Standard is that it permits an eavesdropper to easily and quickly cryptanalyze transmissions encrypted according to the Draft Standard and thereby gain access to the substance of the transmission The forward traffic charnel described in the Draft Standard calls for encrypting an input voice or data signal prior to transmission with a key signal. The Draft Standard also specifies that the input signal be combined with the long code sequence in an Exclusive-OR (i.e., mod 2 addition) function to produce an encrypted output signal. The Draft Standard calls for generating the long code sequence from a publicly known sequence and a private 42-bit pattern, known as the long code mask. The publicly available sequence is placed in what can be conceptualized as a linear shift register The output of the linear shift register is combined with the bits of the long code mask The linear nature of the combination causes the long code sequence to depend linearly on the bits of the private long code mask. This enables an eavesdropper to decrypt a wireless communication with access to 42 bits of the long code sequence The eavesdropper could use the bits from the long code sequence to create 42 linear equations that depend on the 42 unknown bits of the long code mask. However, the Draft Standard does not call for direct transmission of the bits of the long code sequence. Rather, an ExclusiveOR function combines the bits of the long code sequence with the unknown input signal thus corrupting the bits of the long code s! equence. This should diminish the chances that an eavesdropper will successfully cryptanalyze a transmission. This is not the case with the Draft Standard because of the way that the input signal is processed to form frames of 384 bits for error correction. An eavesdropper can cryptanalyze a transmission by recognizing relationships among the last sixteen bits in each frame of the input signal. Specifically, the eavesdropper car combine selected bits of the input signal from the last sixteen bits in each frame so as to produce modulo2 sums of zero. By adding (mod 2) the bits of the output signal such that the sum of the corresponding input bits is zero, the eavessdropper can obtain data that represent combinations of bits of the long code sequence. Essentially, the eavesdropper can cancel the effect of the input signal on the output signal. Each bit of the long code sequence is linearly dependent on the 42 bits of the long code mask. Thus, the eavesdropper can combine known bits of the output signal to create equations that are linearly dependent on the bits of the long code mask. Successive frames of data yield 42 equations so as to allow decryption of the communication within less than a second after the communication commenc! es." From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 16 03:21:41 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:21:41 +1100 Subject: NSA crippling of crypto makes Congress vulnerable to attack,Yahoo! Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020116215626.00a88860@pop.useoz.com> >>Something that's sad is that the National Security Agency has abdicated its role in helping to secure communications critical to these United States.<< Not to me,any division and mistrust in the enemies ranks is an opportunity to divide and rule them.It is sad how low a pseudo anarchist can stoop in his fog of senility. >>To wit, its COMSEC role. Part of the charter of the NSA is to provide COMSEC for critical communications, including ensuring strong ciphers. << That for critical communications.The recent Anthrax/9-11 scare showed congress is expendable >>Because it has spent much of the past decade trying to slow down strong encryption Blueberries and similar devices are now being given to Congressmen and other government employees and officials << Thats great,they are expendable,even Faustine knows that. as a means of communicating with them in times of national emergency. Laptops Thank the NSA and folks like Dorothy Denning for stunting the implementation of good crypto in consumer products. << Probably why I haven't issued a fatwa against her yet.She's as dumb as paint so should be an *asset* Good to know that Al Quaida knows the ARDIS hacks << Those fuckwits dont even know APster! Is there an arabic translation of Assassination politics? Hasan al fuck invented the word Assassination. and will have them ready to go when they strike next: Blueberry Emergency Alert to Rep. Barney Frank: "Rep. Frank, report soonest to this [isolated] location in the woods [where our agents can kill you]. signed, Agent Farr [Abdullah Al Ragheda]."<< Forest grunts are already out there.They pay tax and live off others taxes.They can expect no mercy from me.Im not JB. --Tim May, Occupied America Caves of Corralitos,Cali actually,where I bitch and moan constantly about big Goobermint and high taxes and do fuck all about it.Look on my works ye mighty and despair.(kill the president.) "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759.Yeah what happened to cyberliberty Tim? That was safe. From aimee.farr at pobox.com Wed Jan 16 21:26:48 2002 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:26:48 -0600 Subject: Cypherpunk Agitprop. In-Reply-To: <3C45F06B.6145.62CA31@localhost> Message-ID: Yes, it takes two, and I admit my role in it. Let's just drop it, nobody wants to hear this banter. ~Aimee > -----Original Message----- > From: jamesd at echeque.com [mailto:jamesd at echeque.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:28 PM > To: cypherpunks at lne.com; Aimee Farr > Subject: RE: Cypherpunk Agitprop. > > > -- > On 16 Jan 2002, at 21:45, Aimee Farr wrote: > > Texas humor. It's misunderstood. It's partially my fault > > you caught hell, I "aggravated" Tim. In retrospect, it was > > most unwise. I should try to stay out of his radar. > > You aggravated us all. Tim just expresses it more fluently > and floridly than most. > > > I have many admirers. > > Doubtless it came as a relief when you were transferred away > from sex crime entrapment duties. > > --digsig > James A. Donald > 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG > J1rPQ+UW19a4gMWJayli65Y3KYFMeDFt1O3EpKVP > 4cGICff0BENJ/c/wJiRZdpAKWMkU4edfdM+B2nwxd From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jan 16 21:38:53 2002 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:38:53 -0600 Subject: The Register - Oracle security claims to be debunked --- expert Message-ID: <3C46636D.8412B55A@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23709.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From petro at bounty.org Thu Jan 17 01:44:35 2002 From: petro at bounty.org (Petro) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 01:44:35 -0800 Subject: One arms violent people with weapons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 16, 2002, at 06:20 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote: > German Minister's Interview Rips 911 Case Open > Rumor Mill News Reading Room Forum > Von Buelow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and > organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes > within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their > targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without > years-long support from secretapparatuses of the state and industry. Utter crap. The attack was simple minded and executed badly. A 25 minuted delay to the time on target for the first plane to hit the WTC would have doubled the loss of life (after 9 AM as opposed to before). A couple of bored psychotic high school students with a smidgen of algebra could have planned this and carried it out in a month or two. This was neither sophisticated, nor complicated. All it was was effective. -- Crypto is about a helluva lot more than just PGP and RSA...it's about building the I-beams and sheetrock that will allow robust structures to be built, it's about the railroad lines and power lines that will connect the structures, and it's about creating Galt's Gulch in cyberspace, where it belongs.--Tim May From nobody at dizum.com Wed Jan 16 18:20:22 2002 From: nobody at dizum.com (Nomen Nescio) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:20:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: One arms violent people with weapons Message-ID: German Minister's Interview Rips 911 Case Open Rumor Mill News Reading Room Forum (DRAFT) [Source: Tagesspiegel, Jan. 13] PARTIAL TRANSLATION The following interview with Von Buelow appeared in the German daily 'Tagesspiegel,' on Jan. 13. Q: You seem so angry, really upset. Von Buelow: I can explain what's bothering me: I see that after the horrifying attacks of Sept. 11, all political public opinion is being forced into a direction that I consider wrong. Q: What do you mean by that? Von Buelow: I wonder why many questions are not asked. Normally, with such a terrible thing, various leads and tracks appear that are then commented on, by the investigators, the media, the government: Is there something here or not? Are the explanations plausible? This time, this is not the case at all. It already began just hours after the attacks in New York and Washington and-- Q: In those hours, there was horror, and grief. Von Buelow: Right, but actually it was astounding: There are 26 intelligence services in the U.S.A. with a budget of $30 billion-- Q: More than the German defense budget. Von Buelow: --which were not able to prevent the attacks. In fact, they didn't even have an inkling they would happen. For 60 decisive minutes, the military and intelligence agencies let the fighter planes stay on the ground, 48 hours later, however, the FBI presented a list of suicide attackers. Within ten days, it emerged that seven of them were still alive. Q: What, please? Von Buelow: Yes, yes. And why did the FBI chief take no position regarding contradictions? Where the list came from, why it was false? If I were the chief investigator (state attorney) in such a case, I would regularly go to the public, and give information on which leads are valid and which not. Q: The U.S. government talked about an emergency situation after the attacks: They said they were in a war. Is it not understandable that one does not tell the enemy everything one knows about him? Von Buelow: Naturally. But a government which goes to war, must first establish who the attacker, the enemy, is. It has a duty to provide evidence. According to its own admission, it has not been able to present any evidence that would hold up in court. Q: Some information on the perpetrators has been proven with documents. The suspected leader, Mohammad Atta, left Portland for Boston on the morning of Sept. 11, in order to board the plane that later hit the World Trade Center Von Buelow: If this Atta was the decisive man in the operation, it's really strange that he took such a risk of taking a plane that would reach Boston such a short time before the connecting flight. Had his flight been a few minutes late, he would not have been in the plane that was hijacked. Why should a sophisticated terrorist do this? One can, by the way, read on CNN (Internet) that none of these names were on the official passenger lists. None of them had gone through the check-in procedures. And why did none of the threatened pilots give the agreed-upon code 7700 over the [Steuerknueppel: STEERING NOB?] to the ground station? In addition: The black boxes which are fire and shock proof, as well as the voice recordings, contain no valuable data-- Q: That sounds like-- Von Buelow: --like assailants who, in their preparations, leave tracks behind them like a herd of stampeding elephants? They made payments with credit cards with their own names; they reported to their flight instructors with their own names. They left behind rented cars with flight manuals in Arabic for jumbo jets. They took with them, on their suicide trip, wills and farewell letters, which fall into the hands of the FBI, because they were stored in the wrong place and wrongly addressed. Clues were left like behind like in a child's game of hide-and-seek, which were to be followed! There is also the theory of one British flight engineer: According to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out of the pilots' hands, from outside. The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory says, this technique was abused in this case. That's a theory.... Q: Which sounds really adventurous, and was never considered. Von Buelow: You see! I do not accept this theory, but I find it worth considering. And what about the obscure stock transactions? In the week prior to the attacks, the amount of transactions in stocks in American Airlines, United Airlines, and insurance companies, increased 1,200%. It was for a value of $15 billion. Some people must have known something. Who? Q: Why don't you speculate on who it might have been. Von Buelow: With the help of the horrifying attacks, the Western mass democracies were subjected to brainwashing. The enemy image of anti-communism doesn't work any more; it is to be replaced by peoples of Islamic belief. They are accused of having given birth to suicidal terrorism. Q: Brainwashing? That's a tough term. Von Buelow: Yes? But the idea of the enemy image doesn't come from me. It comes from Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington, two policy-makers of American intelligence and foreign policy. Already in the middle of he 1990s, Huntingon believed, people in Europe and the U.S. needed someone they could hate-- this would strengthen their identification with their own society. And Brzezinski, the mad dog, as adviser to President Jimmy Carter, campaigned for the exclusive right of the U.S. to seize all the raw materials of the world, especially oil and gas. Q: You mean, the events of Sept. 11-- Von Buelow: --fit perfectly in the concept of the armaments industry, the intelligence agencies, the whole military-industrial-academic complex. This is in fact conspicuous. The huge raw materials reserves of the former Soviet Union are now at their disposal, also the pipeline routes and-- Q: Erich Follach described that at length in {Spiegel}: ``It's a matter of military bases, drugs, oil and gas reserves.'' Von Buelow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secretapparatuses of the state and industry. Q: You are a conspiracy theorist! Von Buelow: Yeah, yeah. That's the ridicule heaped [on those raising these questions] by those who would prefer to follow the official, politically correct line. Even investigative journalists are fed propaganda and disinformation. Anyone who doubts that, doesn't have all his marbles! That is your accusation. Q: Your career actually speaks against the idea that you are not in your right mind. You were already in the 1970s, state secretary in the Defense Ministry; in 1993 you were the SPD [Social Democratic Party] speaker in the Schalk-Golodkowski investigation committee-- Von Buelow: And it all began there! Until that time, I did not have any great knowledge of the work of intelligence agencies. And now we had to take note of a great discrepancy: We shed light on the dealings of the Stasi and other East bloc intelligence agencies in the field of economic criminality, but as soon as we wanted to know something about the activities of the BND [German intelligence] or the CIA, it was mercilessly blocked. No information, no cooperation, nothing! That's when I was first taken aback. Q: Schalck-Golodkowski mediated, among other things, various business deals abroad. When you looked at his case more closely-- Von Buelow: We found, for example, a clue in Rostock, where Schalck organized his weapons depot. Well, then we happened upon an affiliation of Schalck in Panama, and then we happened upon Manuel Noriega, who was for many years President, drug dealer, and money launderer, all in one, right? And this Noriega was also on the payroll of the CIA, for $200,000 a year. These were things that really made me curious. Q: You wrote a book on the dealings of the CIA and Co. In the meantime, you have become an expert regarding the strange things related to intelligence services' work. Von Buelow: ``Strange things'' is the wrong term. What has gone on, and goes on, in the name of intelligence services, are true crimes. Q: What would you say determines the work of intelligence services? Von Buelow: So that we don't have any misunderstandings: I find that it makes sense to have intelligence services.... Q: You don't think much of the earlier proposals by the Greens, who wanted to dismantle these agencies? Von Buelow: No. It is right to take a look behind the scenes. Getting intelligence about the intentions of an enemy, makes sense. It is important when one tries to put oneself into the mind of the enemy. Whoever wants to understand the CIA's methods, has to deal with its main tasks, {covert operations}: below the level of war, and outside international law, foreign states are to be influenced, by organizing insurrections, terrorist attacks, usually combined with drugs and weapons trade, and money laundering. This is essentially very simple: One arms violent people with weapons. Since, however, it must not under any circumstances come out, that there is an intelligence agency behind it, all traces are erased, with tremendous deployment of resources. I have the impression that this kind of intelligence agency spends 90% of its time this way: creating false leads. So that, if anyone suspects the collaboration of the agencies, he is accused of the sickness of conspiracy madness. The truth often comes out only years later. CIA chief Allen Dulles once said: In case of doubt, I would even lie to the Congress! Q: The American journalist Seymour M. Hersh, wrote in the {New Yorker,} that even some people in the CIA and government assumed, that certain leads had been laid in order to confuse the investigators. Who, Herr von Buelow, would have done this? Von Buelow: I don't know that either. How should I? I simply use my common sense, and-- See: The terrorists behaved in such a way to attract attention. And as practicing Muslims, they were in a strip-tease bar, and, drunken, stuck dollar bills into the panty of the dancer. Q: Things like that also happen. Von Buelow: It may be. As a lone fighter, I cannot prove anything, that's beyond my capabilities. I have real difficulties, however, to imagine that all this all sprung out ofthe mind of an evil man in his cave. Q: Mr. von Buelow, you yourself say that you are alone in your criticism. Formerly, you were part of the political establishment, now you are an outsider. Von Buelow: That is a problem sometimes, but one gets used to it. By the way, I know a lot of people, including very influential ones, who agree with me, but only in whispers, never publicly. Q: Do you still have contact with old SPD companions, such as Egon Bahr and former Chancellor Helmut Schmidt? Von Buelow: There are no close contacts any more. I wantedto go to the last SPD party congress, but I was sick. Q: Can it be, Mr. von Buelow, that you are a mouthpiece for typical anti-Americanism? Von Buelow: Nonsense, this has absolutely nothing to do with anti-Americanism. I am a great admirer of this great, open, free society, and always have been. I studied in the U.S. Q: How did you get the idea that there could be a link between the attacks and the American intelligence agencies? Von Buelow: Do you remember the first attack on the WorldTrade Center in 1993? Q: Six people were killed and over a thousand wounded, by a bomb explosion. Von Buelow: In the middle was the bombmaker, a former Egyptian officer. He had pulled together some Muslims for the attack. They were snuck into the country by the CIA, despite a State Department ban on their entry. At the same time, the leader of the band was an FBI informant. And he made a deal with the authorities: At the last minute, the dangerous explosive material would be replaced by a harmless powder. The FBI did not stick to the deal. The bomb exploded, so to speak, with the knowledge of the FBI. The official story of the crime was quickly found: The criminals were evil Muslims. Q: At the time Soviet soldiers marched into Afghanistan, you were in the cabinet of Helmut Schmidt. What was it like? Von Buelow: The Americans pushed for trade sanctions, they demanded the boycott of the Olympic games in Moscow.... Q.... which the German government followed... Von Buelow: And today we know: It was the strategy of the American security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, to destabilize the Soviet Union from neighboring Muslim countries They lured the Russians into Afghanistan, and then prepared for them a hell on earth, their Vietnam. With decisive support of the U.S. intelligence agencies, at least 30,000 Muslim fighters were trained in Afghanistan and Pakistan, a bunch of good-for-nothings and fanatics who were, and still are today, ready for anything. And one of them is Osama bin Laden. I wrote years ago: ` `It was out of this brood, that the Taliban grew up in Afghanistan, who had been brought up in the Koran schools financed by American and Saudi funds, the Taliban who are now terrorizing the country and destroying it Q: Even though you say, for the U.S. it was a matter of raw materials in the region, the starting point for the U.S. aggression, was the terrorist attack which cost thousands of human lives. Von Buelow: Completely true. One must always keep this gruesome act in mind. Nonetheless, in the analysis of political processes, I am allowed to look and see who has advantages and disadvantages, and what is coincidental. When in doubt, it is always worthwhile to take a look at a map, where are raw materials resources, and the routes to them? Then lay a map of civil wars and conflicts on top of that --they coincide. The same is the case with the third map: nodal points of the drug trade. Where this all comes together, the American intelligence services are not far away. By the way, the Bush family is linked to oil, gas, and weapons trade, through the bin Laden family. Q: What do you think of the Bin Laden films? Von Buelow: When one is dealing with intelligence services, one can imagine manipulations of the highest quality. Hollywood could provide these techniques. I consider the videos inappropriate as evidence. Q: You believe the CIA is capable of anything, [wouldn't stop at anything]. Von Buelow: The CIA, in the state interests of the U.S., does not have to abide by any law in interventions abroad, is not bound by international law; only the President gives orders. And when funds are cut, peace is on the horizon, then a bomb explodes somewhere. Thus it is proven, that you can't do without the intelligence services; and that the critics are {nuts,} as Father Bush called them, Bush who was once CIA head and President. You have to see that the U.S. spends $30 billion on intelligence services, and $13 billion on anti-drug work. And what comes out of it? The chief of a special unit of the strategic anti-drug work declared, in despair, after 30 years of service, that in every big, important drug case, the CIA came in and took it out of my hands. (Rosalinda: Michael Levin) Q: Do you criticize the German government for its reaction after Sept. 11? Von Buelow: No. To assume that the government were independent in these questions, would be naive. Q: Herr von Buelow, what will you do now? Von Buelow: Nothing. My task is concluded by saying, it could not have been that way [according to the official story] Search for the truth! From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 16 08:21:18 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:21:18 +1100 Subject: Hot Air Jihads. Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020117031748.00a72be0@pop.useoz.com> http://www.onworld.com/MUT/elecGur.html has a declaration which includes many of the crypto-anarchy concepts. Found in archives circa 96 and still a valid URL. ALSO RUSH die >Salman Rushdie, in a speech I heard several years ago, said that it was >widely doubted that Iran would or could actually come up with the three >million dollar bounty on his head. >This may play a large part in why he is still around. A few people who basically seem to oppose my idea ("Assassination Politics") try to use the Rushdie example as being some sort of "evidence" why it wouldn't work. ("If Rushdie is alive years later, with a few million on his head, that proves assassination doesn't work...") I, on the contrary, believe that it actually SUPPORTS my theory: Clearly, nobody has trusted Iran's leadership enough to genuinely believe he would be able to collect the reward, and thus the apparently size of the reward is discounted in people's minds. When I respond to these objectors, I point out that if Iran was REALLY serious about expecting to see Rushdie dead, they would have long ago set up some sort of system, analogous to AsPol, that would allow an anonymous assassin to kill Rushdie and collect the reward, guaranteed, without risk of exposure. Clearly, that hasn't happened. (I think we would have heard about it if it had.) This doesn't make the Iranians any more "civilized," obviously, it just means that they are either less competent or trustworthy about achieving their goals (or are seen to be so), or that they really don't want to/can't pay anybody the money for Rushdie's death. I don't recall every seeing anyone even attempt to contradict this counter-argument; they always agree that nobody really believes anyone can safely and reliably collect the Rushdie reward. Needless to say, this raises serious doubts about the competence of many objectors to critically analyze the issues in AsPol. It would be interesting to get Rushdie's opinion about AsPol. It's understandable if he had an initial feeling of revulsion about such a system, on the other hand he should recognize that this system would also allow opponents of the Iranian government to eliminate those who called for his death in the first place. It is reasonable to suppose that had this system been functioning years ago, Iran's government would have been taken down long ago. >I think all the analyses of the economic costs of protecting one person >vs. protecting many people are rather beside the point, in light of this. Qing Hua Zi Guang Shun Feng Security 2nd Floor, Bei Lu Office Building, No. 35 Cheng Fu Rd HAI DIAN DISTRICT, BEIJING 100083 Lin Guang Zhang 010-62854806 The Security officers of the ever vigilant totalitarian people's thought police caught a critical poster and locked him away for four years. Beijing Excellink Networks Co., Ltd. Rm311 No 6 An Hui Li San Qu Chao Yang District, Beijing 100080 Bing Guang Chen 010-64974021 Possible synergies with NORTEL in construction of the Great FireWall of China. MORE at http://partnerfinder.rsasecurity.com/PartnerFinder/Reps.asp?Region=Asia+Pacific&PartnerType=Resellers&Country=China Dont get me started on Tibet,bear bile farms and http://www.laogai.org/public.htm But if you see that low dog Peter Trei,give him a black eye. From mattd at useoz.com Wed Jan 16 08:59:41 2002 From: mattd at useoz.com (mattd) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:59:41 +1100 Subject: Al Qaeda Crypto Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20020117034540.00a78d90@pop.useoz.com> >>Al Qaeda computer files bought from a seller in Kabul which were encoded and encrypted....<< The Horsemen are loose,the Plagues of Egypt,the Dogs of War,the Grapes of wrath.Round up the usual crypto suspects. Theoretically, because violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986 have been included in the terrorism crackdown, hackers and spammers could be sentenced to life in prison.Encryption can pose potentially insurmountable challenges to law enforcement when used in conjunction with communication or plans for executing serious terrorist and criminal acts.- Terrorists, pedophiles, drug dealers of the world unite,you have nothing to lose but your dongle. Direct action_ is what it's all about.Killing the president,undermining the state through the spread of espionage networks, through undermining faith in the tax system,through even more direct applications of the right tools at the right times. When Cypherpunks are called "terrorists," we will have done our jobs.HEIL CRYPTO-ANARCHY.HEIL! Font: Daschle-Anthrax-Bold From scribe at exmosis.net Thu Jan 17 02:20:32 2002 From: scribe at exmosis.net (Graham Lally) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:20:32 +0000 Subject: Microsoft want to be trusted... Message-ID: <3C46A570.4000805@exmosis.net> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23715.html Windows TC, anyone? -- "When we say Windows XP is the most secure system ever we're not saying it's perfect" - Tom Laemmel, Microsoft spokesman (Nor secure?) "Sometimes I use Google instead of pants." From ftl at optushome.com.au Wed Jan 16 16:12:31 2002 From: ftl at optushome.com.au (Faster Than Light) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:12:31 +1100 Subject: Deploying Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020117102012.01dc5150@mail> Hello all , I have signed up with Major Domo before , but never had the opportunity to explore these Cyperpunk nodes he has under his command , I'm sure I'll find my place here with minimal fuss to you all. Hopefully this email will look like it came from .au , it's a large island in the south pacific , most I know about "Oz" is that it isn't Kansas , toto. I liked the work Allen Turing did in the world war's , but am not to crazy about his sexual preferences , but each to their own choices.I am also aware of Phil Zimmerman's early work , but can never seem to find the time or have the patience to get it totally sorted , this list may push me into doing something about it as I'd like to get more balance in my life status which is currently "more street than elite" I like to mess with the energy that normally drives these machines at 50 or 60Htz , except I crank it up to 2.45GHtz & create light at resonant frequency (which is orange ,fwiw) , I have extensive notes & knowledge on a guy called "Tesla" , you might have heard of him , he was a smart electrician from the 18th & 19th century & hung out with other guys who had SI units named after them.Tesla had some very good ideas & some very weird/bad ideas when it came to hacking light. Enough about me , hopefully I'll be able to contribute & enjoy this node of the Cypherpunks mail list.Look I even read the FAQ , kept it in a seperate folder for future reference & cut & pasted the part I liked about it best "Please note that some members of cypherpunks mailing list may surprise you as very rude people. You may see views that sound very offensive to you. You will also see many articles that make no sense to you, are very stupid, or appear to be commercial advertisements. Consider such situation to be a price of YOUR freedom to post anything you want. Remember that speech that pleases everyone needs no protection: it is the offensive speech that is most often assaulted and thus needs to be protected." I like that almost as much as Kings II chapter 18 vers 27 of the Bible , panic not I am not one to preach from this book , given the chance I'd fist fuck God & his son with no lube. I noticed the "algebra" domain name , Does the list take it's algebra in the single dimension format or the 3 dimensional format , like Maxwell figured out ? FTL From piolenc at mozcom.com Wed Jan 16 19:55:49 2002 From: piolenc at mozcom.com (F. Marc de Piolenc) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:55:49 +0800 Subject: Mostly untraceable ordering of books by mail References: <3312E359-0A36-11D6-9841-0050E439C473@got.net> Message-ID: <3C464B45.D9816912@mozcom.com> Tim May wrote: > For physical books, there's always physical cash. (Pace the "Uncle > Fester's" book bought in the Denver bookstore, that the Feds want the > bookstore to reveal the buyer of.) Right. Pay cash, and don't lodge any "want list" with the dealer, or anything else that would reveal your identity. > For online purchases, this trend of Feds snooping on reading habits > could be a business opportunity for an anonymized online buying system. > How could physical delivery be arranged? > First, purchase with some form of untraceable credit card. I believe that there exists, or existed, a debit card on the prepaid phone card model. Show up at a retail "card store," give them cash and get a debit card with a "credit limit" equal to the value of the card. The card behaves like a credit card for retail purchase purposes, but doesn't have your name on it or associated with it in any database. Anybody know if this is still being offered? > Second, delivery to a local bookstore or even a Mailboxes, Etc., with > pickup by matching the ID. For a small commission. Sort of a private Poste Restante. Neat. > (This should not be in violation of any laws. This is not a mail cover, > nor a money changing, etc. operation. Just a package delivery service.) Unfortunately, the Postal Service puts pressure on the retail mail outlets to have their customers complete a Post Office form that "identifies" them. I can't remember whether the outfit I used actually asked me for ID, though. > One can imagine t.v. cameras set up, but unlikely if there are thousands > of such delivery sites. Relatively easy to defeat, in any case. If the identifying feature for picking up the parcel is a number or code, rather than a biometric feature, the simplest disguise would do the trick. You would not have to look like anyone in particular, least of all yourself. I predict a spike in the sale of Groucho Marx masks. > Organizations like the ACLU, EFF, etc. could even set up such > book-ordering services, perhaps via liberty-sympathetic lawyers in > various cities and towns, to make the PR point that such services are > the only way around government snooping on the citizen-units. Hmm. Fundraising activity, anyone? Marc de Piolenc From piolenc at mozcom.com Wed Jan 16 21:56:25 2002 From: piolenc at mozcom.com (F. Marc de Piolenc) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:56:25 +0800 Subject: When prisoners of war aren't even close. References: <3WPVA84Y37271.6115972222@anonymous.poster> Message-ID: <3C466789.9275CED1@mozcom.com> AnonSend wrote: > Apparently you didn't download the manual: > > http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Goebbels/ > > Check out Chapter 37. Apparently, this guy is claiming to be the first to publish Goebbels' diaries. This has already been done, viz. The Goebbels Diaries. There are gaps in the latter publication, however, which may not exist in the Irving version. Worth downloading to see. Marc de Piolenc From zwytelecom at zwytelecom.com Thu Jan 24 17:30:54 2002 From: zwytelecom at zwytelecom.com (Joe Cullen) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:10:54 -0480 Subject: Achieve picture perfect weight and enjoy life Message-ID: <580995551.27435383442978@thebat.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 7631 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: azlxzoj.gif Type: image/gif Size: 16056 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rsw at jfet.org Thu Jan 24 17:35:32 2002 From: rsw at jfet.org (Riad S. Wahby) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:35:32 -0500 Subject: Ecash fraud resolution In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020124111227.0151bd58@home.com>; from dahonig@home.com on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:12:27AM -0800 References: <3C4FE3CE.AA1B2BB7@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> <3.0.5.32.20020124111227.0151bd58@home.com> Message-ID: <20020124203532.B13946@positron.mit.edu> David Honig wrote: > Over a decade ago I learned from published work > that if a logical problem is posed as cheating (an underage > person trying to buy ethanol IIRC) humans are > much much better at solving the logical problem than if it is > expressed otherwise. Some cog scis think this is evidence of > hardwiring for social cheating perception. The example you're thinking of, I believe, comes from Peter Wason. Imagine you have 4 cards on a table. On visible side of the cards is D, F, 3, and 7. You are asked to test the hypothesis "If a card has a D on one side, it has a 3 on the other." Which cards do you need to turn over to test this? Most people would say D, or D and 3. The correct answer is D and 7. You need to test that the D has a 3 on the back and that the 7 does not have a D on the back. Since the statement is expressed as an implication (D -> 3), you don't need to check the 3 because it wouldn't be relevant (3 !-> D). It's pretty obvious why you wouldn't need to check the F. Now, reword this same test that almost everyone fails. You are a bouncer at a bar and are enforcing the rule "If a person is drinking beer, he must be 18 or older." You may check what people are drinking or how old they are. Which do you have to check: a beer drinker, a Coke drinker, a twenty-five-year-old, or a sixteen-year-old? It's now pretty obvious to everyone that you need to check the first and the third. Peter Wason claims that the difference here is not just the concreteness of one versus the abstraction of the other; his claim is that the hypothesis "if a person eats hot chili peppers, then he drinks beer" is no easier to prove false than the original card test. It is only the situation in which a person tries to detect cheaters that makes this test easy. For more on this topic, see such books as Steven Pinker's "How the Mind Works," a reasonable introduction to modern psychology. -- Riad Wahby rsw at jfet.org MIT VI-2/A 2002