Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

Sunder sunder at sunder.net
Fri Nov 30 11:43:54 PST 2001


Following which the buyer posts all the signed emails between self and
seller detailing the fraudulent transaction.

----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos---------------------------
 + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\
  \|/  :aren't security.  A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\
<--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you   \/|\/
  /|\  :masked killer, but  |don't email them, or put them on a web  \|/
 + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often.
--------_sunder_ at _sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Adam Shostack wrote:

> Following which, Alice pulls out the pre-dated revocation certificate, 
> and generates confusion as to the validity of Bob's key change message.
> 
> Duh, indeed.
> 
> Adam
> 
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:34:53PM -0500, Sunder wrote:
> | Simple.  Once the buyer has the keys she issues an email saying "I'm
> | changing my keys, here's the new public key" and signs it with the old key
> | - thus proving that the nym's original message was valid, thus
> | invalidating the old one.  Duh!
> | 
> | 
> | ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos---------------------------
> |  + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\
> |   \|/  :aren't security.  A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\
> | <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you   \/|\/
> |   /|\  :masked killer, but  |don't email them, or put them on a web  \|/
> |  + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often.
> | --------_sunder_ at _sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------
> | 
> | On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Adam Shostack wrote:
> | 
> | > On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:14:13PM -0800, Wei Dai wrote:
> | > | On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:53:02PM -0800, georgemw at speakeasy.net wrote:
> | > | > Even this is not a scalar.  Since reputation cannot be bought
> | > | > and sold, the idea that it is worth a specific well defined amount is
> | > | > false.
> | > | 
> | > | If you own a nym, you can easily sell its reputation. Just give the
> | > | private key to the buyer.
> | > 
> | > How does the buyer ensure that I haven't kept a copy?  If what I'm
> | > selling is a nym, then without the nym, I am anonymous.  Adding layers 
> | > of nymity for reputation with partial disclosure seems a complex and
> | > failure-prone approach. 
> | > 
> | > Adam
> | > 
> | > -- 
> | > "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."
> | > 					               -Hume
> 
> -- 
> "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."
> 					               -Hume





More information about the cypherpunks-legacy mailing list