More damage to liberty than I expected.

[measl at mfn.org]

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 jamesd at echeque.com wrote:

> And when victory was well in hand, they shut down not merely
> havenco, 

Looks OK to me:

Tracing route to havenco.com [207.106.3.14]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  r01.fl.datapacket.net [208.195.14.225] 
  2   <10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  loopback0.gw8.orl1.alter.net [137.39.8.117] 
  3    20 ms    40 ms    20 ms  165.at-1-0-0.xr1.atl1.alter.net [152.63.86.170] 
  4    10 ms    20 ms    20 ms  100.at-1-0-0.tr1.atl1.alter.net [146.188.232.82] 
  5    20 ms    31 ms    30 ms  109.at-5-0-0.tr1.dca6.alter.net [146.188.141.58] 
  6    30 ms    30 ms    30 ms  0.so-4-0-0.xr1.dca6.alter.net [152.63.11.102] 
  7    30 ms    30 ms    30 ms  0.so-1-3-0.xl1.dca6.alter.net [152.63.35.114] 
  8    30 ms    31 ms    30 ms  pos6-0.br3.dca6.alter.net [152.63.38.117] 
  9    30 ms    30 ms    40 ms  204.255.174.74 
 10    30 ms    60 ms    31 ms  mae-east-gsr.dc-core.netaxs.net [207.106.31.26] 
 11   120 ms   280 ms   310 ms  mae-east.dc-core.netaxs.net [207.106.31.29] 
 12    30 ms    30 ms    40 ms  dc-l3.dc-core.fddi0-0-100m.netaxs.net [207.106.127.102] 
 13    40 ms    40 ms    40 ms  phl-l3.phl-core.h3-0-45m.netaxs.net [207.106.127.129] 
 14    30 ms    30 ms    40 ms  l3-core1-oc3.sdfc.phl.netaxs.net [207.106.3.246] 
 15    60 ms    41 ms    40 ms  core1-cnsh-gige-1.cnsh.phl.netaxs.net [207.106.0.10] 
 16    40 ms    40 ms    40 ms  ns1.havenco.com [207.106.3.14] 

Trace complete.


The www site is up too.  Possibly you misunderstood their temporary
outage?

>     --digsig
>          James A. Donald

-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org

If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
first place...
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