More Creeping Public School Fascism

[mmotyka at lsil.com]

Eric Cordian <emc at artifact.psychedelic.net> 
>
>Here's the latest outrage from our country's government-run schools.  Not
>only do school officials presume to stick their noses into what kids do on
>their own free time, away from school, but they think they can use lie
>detectors to pry into kids' private lives.
>
>Notice the collusion between the pigs and the school administrators.  
>Pigs make lists of people, none of whom have been charged with any crime,
>and turn them over to school administrators, who have the power to take
>action with no requirement of fairness or due process.
>
They can only do what the parents allow them to do. I would have told
the school to go fuck itself silly before I'd let them interrogate my
kid. As far as I'm concerned off school time and grounds they have no
say whatsoever.

>Note that nothing can be done about this unless a parent files a
>complaint.  Kids don't have any rights in this country, except through
>parental proxy, and apparently all the parents in this town have the
>school superintendent's balls slapping against their chins.
>
>Schools got away with "Zero Tolerance" using a small number of school
>shootings as a pretense.  Now we'll see what they can get away with using
>their increased FUD powers under the War on Terrorism(tm).
>
>These administrators need to be gutted and their heads posted in public
>view as a warning to others.
>
Read about Vlad Tsepesh. In a private conversation with a recalcitrant
administrator it's what I would suggest as reading material to be
absorbed prior to decision-making...

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>DUNLAP, Ill. -- One by one, the subjects were led into a room and hooked
>up to a polygraph machine.
>
>The purpose: to determine whether the teen-agers violated Dunlap High
>School's code of conduct by attending a party where alcohol was consumed.
>
>Seven of the 10 students who submitted to the lie detector exams -- all of
>them football players -- flunked the questioning last month and were
>barred from competing in the first round of the state playoffs. Some of
>their parents wept when they learned their children had lied to them.
>
>Dunlap High went to extraordinary lengths to get to the bottom of what was
>otherwise a routine case of teen-agers getting into trouble. School
>Superintendent Bill Collier said it was the right thing to do to sort the
>guilty from the innocent: "It may look bad, it may sound bad, but it's the
>fairest way."
>
>The investigation began after police broke up a party Oct. 6. Nobody was
>arrested, but officers took down the names of everyone present and traced
>the registration of all cars parked there. Their list of 15 athletes was
>turned over to school officials.
>
>Three students admitted guilt when confronted. But many others claimed
>that they had left the party as soon as they realized alcohol was present.
>So school officials proposed the polygraphs.
>
>Two students were suspended from the team after refusing to take the test,
>and seven more were suspended after flunking. Collier pointed out that
>three students were cleared who might otherwise have been punished.
>
>"For these three kids, this worked exactly the way it is supposed to
>work," he said.
>
>Dunlap High went on to lose the Oct. 27 playoff game 28-7. Mike Griffith,
>a policy analyst for the Education Commission of the States in Denver,
>said he has never heard of a school using polygraphs in such a way, and he
>called it an extreme measure.
>
>"But in the end," he said, "if the parents don't file a complaint and the
>school district is satisfied, it's a done deal."
>
>Matt Jones, an attorney who represented the students who took the
>polygraphs and their parents, said a lawsuit is unlikely, but parents may
>try to pressure the school board into changing its policy regarding
>parties. The students' names were not released by the school or Jones.
>
>Jones said the suspended players -- most of them starters -- had greater
>concerns than the outcome of the game. "Part of the disappointment is the
>public scrutiny and having their parents disappointed in them," the lawyer
>said. "With most of them, it's not about their participation but because
>they let down their team."
>
>Some in this central Illinois town of about 1,000 people 12 miles north
>Peoria have been openly critical of school officials. "You would think
>they have better things to do," said Mark Wade, a 1979 Dunlap High
>graduate. Wade said the drinking policy existed when he was in high
>school, and athletes and others were sometimes questioned about their
>weekend activities. He said students sometimes lied, and their answers
>were accepted; nobody gave them a polygraph. "That wouldn't have washed.
>The parents wouldn't have stood for it," he said.
>
>Collier and Jones said that before each polygraph session, held at the
>school board's offices, the students and their parents were taken aside.
>The students were asked to describe their actions that night. Before the
>examinations began, the parents were asked to leave to eliminate
>distractions.
>
>Afterward, the polygraph examiner went over results with the students and
>their parents. Collier described the scene as sad, with some parents
>shedding tears as they realized their children had lied to them and the
>school.
>
>The superintendent said getting the truth was more important than a
>football playoff game.
>
>"I do know kids and adults can't continue to tell lies," he said. "Parents
>need to do more communicating with their kids on real-life issues and find
>out what they're doing on weekends."
>
I actually teach my kids to lie. Whenever some form pops up on their
browser they get pretty creative. The other day I overheard them making
up stuff to enter : male, 36, from Austin, Texas. Not bad for such
little sprouts.

When ( not if ) my kids get in trouble over some 1st issue, they will be
protected unconditionally and without reserve as to methods.


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>Eric Michael Cordian 0+
>O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
>"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"