Censorhappy MFN.org syadmin files "spam" complaint

[J.A. Terranson]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> You forwarded one of my messages to my upstream provider 

I gather from this that you and "The Idjit" share a common upstream
path?  Let's see now: you're [supposed] to be a reasonably "bright" guy -
It didn't occur to you that the upstream NSP was contacted because they
are the next in line from the ISP?   Are you saying [with a straight
face] that you don't know what you are looking at?

Disingenuous.  Totally.

> (and someone else's upstream provider) 


Bzzt.  I complained to the upstream ISP, and their upstream NSP.  Normal
practice and procedure: I personally have to look at several thousands of
these a day at work...

> ,complaining about my alleged spam.

Look again Declan (clue: the email I complained about *is _clearly_
visible, in your original tirade about me - see below*.  Nowhere did we
complain about you: anyone with the reading abilities of an
armchair could see what we were bitching about.  Sorry that UU has an
abuse desk staffed with dropouts from the short bus, but such is
life...  Maybe you should have pointed ot the obvious to them, ya?  Of
course, it's obviously *much* more satisfying for you to yell and scream
like a 4 year old who has been rejected from the Romper Room Playtime
Games...

> This has led 
> my network provider to contact me, and has introduced friction into our 
> relationship.

Then maybe you need a new provider.  We, like everyone else, gets
complaints.  A responsible upstream is going to actually *examine* any
complaints for validity before taking any action.  If your ISP doesn't
fall into this category then you shouldn't be doing business with them
should you?
 
> I understand now this was a mistake on your part.

		B Z Z Z T T ! ! ! !

Wrong:  *OUR* part.  But unlike us, you are apparently unwilling to accept
your piece of responsibility.  You went off half cocked, with no looking
back, and now it has [rightfully] bitten you in the ass.  You have abused
your position as a "journalist" here.  You have sullied your own
reputation here.  And you did it all by yourself.

I made an honest mistake, and acknowledged it openly when it was pointed
out.  

You went off on your little revenge kick, and now that the world can see
you in the dark colors you have painted yourself with you are pissed off
and looking to dump YOUR responsibilities. You want the world to think of
you as a responsible, honorable, and *honest* journalist?  After THIS?  

Yeah.  Right.
 
> But I'm not sure if the 
> conclusion from this episode is that I should be one who should be more 
> careful -- shouldn't you be more careful before accusing someone of spamming?

Why don't YOU be more careful before accusing someone of being
Censorhappy?

Pot. Kettle.  VERY black.

As I said before: I am *very* disappointed in you - I *thought* you were
better than this.
 
> -Declan

J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org

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> 
> At 04:00 PM 3/30/01 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> 
> 
> >Declan,
> >
> >         If you'll look closely at the addresses to which my complaint was
> >mailed, you will note that it was directed to "broadwing.net" which is the
> >luser's ISP, and uu.net, the upstream NSP for broadwing: unless you also
> >have broadwing as your upstream provider, it should have been pretty
> >obvious that my complaint - oops, I'm sorry, my *censorship* - was not
> >directed at you.
> >
> >         Yes, I hit the forward button on the wrong email within the
> >thread, and for any confusion, I apologize, however, it was pretty obvious
> >to *everyone* but you who the complaint was directed against.
> >
> >         As for being "censorhappy": shouldn't a *journalist* do a little
> >more homework before (a) making such a sweeping declaration, and (b) using
> >his media access in such a directed and vindictive manner?  Possibly an
> >email to ask just what the hell was going on might have been more
> >appropriate?
> >
> >         Do your homework: you'll find that I am pretty middle of the road
> >WRT "Muzzling Spammers".  I make the occassional complaint about the truly
> >stupid (such as our friend below), but in general, my reputation is that
> >of an anti-spammer "thorn".  In my experience, the anti-spammers generate
> >several orders of magnitude more trash with their bitching than the
> >original spammer did with their spam run.  I personally recieve between
> >500 and 700 emails a day (between home and offices), of which roughly
> >2/3rds is spam (a great number of these coming from this very list) - and
> >you know what?  Hitting "Delete" is just not that big a deal (no matter
> >*what* Net-Nazis like Vixie have to say).
> >
> >         Basically Declan, I'm disappointed in you.
> >
> >Yours,
> >
> >J.A. Terranson
> >sysadmin at mfn.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:44:39 -0500
> > > From: Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com>
> > > To: cypherpunks at cyberpass.net
> > > Cc: measl at mfn.org, sysadmin at mfn.org
> > > Subject: Censorhappy MFN.org syadmin files "spam" complaint
> > >
> > > I invite all cypherpunks subscribers to let this censorhappy -- not to
> > > mention humorless -- sysadmin know what they think about spam
> > > complaints over a joke posted here:
> > > "J.A. Terranson" <measl at mfn.org>
> > >
> > > I posted recently, in response to a help-me-spam message:
> > > > Cypherpunks are well-known providers of Bulk-email HTML spam campaigns.
> > > > As a "marketing analyst," you've clearly come to the right place.
> > >
> > > And Terranson complained to my upstream provider that I was spamming
> > > (see message below).
> > >
> > > I will be writing about the censorhappy behavior of Terranson/MFN
> > > in my next column.
> > >
> > > -Declan
> > >
> > > > > From measl at mfn.org  Thu Mar 29 13:58:18 2001
> > > > > Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by iaremedy.corp.us.uu.net with
> > > ESMTP
> > > > > (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46])
> > > > > id QQkimd20740
> > > > > for <iaremedy-mail-spooler at iaremedy.corp.us.uu.net>; Thu, 29 Mar 2001
> > > 13:58:12 -0500 (EST)
> > > > > Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with
> > > ESMTP
> > > > > (peer crosschecked as: cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40])
> > > > > id QQkimd22603
> > > > > for <abuse at uu.net>; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:59:05 GMT
> > > > > Received: from cliff.mfn.org by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP
> > > > > (peer crosschecked as: cliff.mfn.org [204.238.179.8])
> > > > > id QQkimd24648
> > > > > for <abuse at uu.net>; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:59:05 GMT
> > > > > Received: from greeves.mfn.org (greeves.mfn.org [204.238.179.3])
> > > > > by cliff.mfn.org (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2TIw7j10180;
> > > > > Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:58:12 -0600 (CST)
> > > > > (envelope-from measl at mfn.org)
> > > > > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:58:07 -0600 (CST)
> > > > > From: "J.A. Terranson" <measl at mfn.org>
> > > > > To: abuse at broadwing.net
> > > > > cc: abuse at uu.net
> > > > > Subject: Your downstream spammer...
> > > > > Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103291257260.10465-110000 at greeves.mfn.org>
> > > > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > > > Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1599177482-985892287=:10465"
> > > > >
> > > > >   This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable
> > > text,
> > > > >   while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware
> > > tools.
> > > > >   Send mail to mime at docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info.
> > > > >
> > > > > --0-1599177482-985892287=:10465
> > > > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please muzzle this idjit...
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Yours,
> > > > > J.A. Terranson
> > > > > sysadmin at mfn.org
> > > > >
> > > > > If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings,
> > > they
> > > > > should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
> > > > > Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
> > > > > unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input 
> > on in
> > > > > the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and
> > > > > elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
> > > > > populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb
> > > electorate...
> > > > > This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
> > > > > as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist
> > > Republics.
> > > > >
> > > > > The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
> > > > > associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
> > > > > those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
> > > > > first place...
> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --0-1599177482-985892287=:10465
> > > > > Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822; CHARSET=US-ASCII
> > > > > Content-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103291257290.10465 at greeves.mfn.org>
> > > > > Content-Description: Re: CDR: Required- Direct e-mail(Bulk) service
> > > (fwd)
> > > > >
> > > > > Return-Path: <owner-cypherpunks-outgoing at ssz.com>
> > > > > Received: from einstein.ssz.com (einstein.ssz.com [204.96.2.99])
> > > > > by cliff.mfn.org (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2TG9Ej09880
> > > > > for <measl at mfn.org>; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:09:14 -0600 (CST)
> > > > > (envelope-from owner-cypherpunks-outgoing at ssz.com)
> > > > > Received: (from mdom at localhost)
> > > > > by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18391
> > > > > for cypherpunks-outgoing; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:14:05 -0600
> > > > > Received: from cluebot.com ([216.110.36.217])
> > > > > by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18387
> > > > > for <cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com>; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:14:02 -0600
> > > > > Received: by cluebot.com (Postfix, from userid 502)
> > > > > id D39A9104F1; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:42:29 -0500 (EST)
> > > > > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:42:29 -0500
> > > > > From: Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com>
> > > > > To: Ganesh Acharya <GaneshA at icode.com>
> > > > > Cc: cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: CDR: Required- Direct e-mail(Bulk) service
> > > > > Message-ID: <20010329104229.C1266 at cluebot.com>
> > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Ganesh Acharya <GaneshA at icode.com>,
> > > > > cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com
> > > > > References: <209D3E0ACB34D41198280050BAAB9F99BD54EA at EXBANGALORE>
> > > > > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > > > > Content-Disposition: inline
> > > > > User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.2i
> > > > > In-Reply-To: <209D3E0ACB34D41198280050BAAB9F99BD54EA at EXBANGALORE>; from
> > > GaneshA at icode.com on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:48:17PM +0530
> > > > > X-News-Site: http://www.wired.com/
> > > > > X-URL: http://www.mccullagh.org/
> > > > > Sender: owner-cypherpunks at ssz.com
> > > > > Precedence: bulk
> > > > > Reply-To: cypherpunks at ssz.com
> > > > > X-Mailing-List: cypherpunks at ssz.com
> > > > > X-Unsubscription-Info: http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr
> > > > > X-List-Admin: list at ssz.com
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> > > > > X-Acceptable-Languages: English, Russian, German, French, Spanish
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cypherpunks are well-known providers of Bulk-email HTML spam campaigns.
> > > > > As a "marketing analyst," you've clearly come to the right place.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Declan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:48:17PM +0530, Ganesh Acharya wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are looking forward to conduct a Bulk e-mail (HTML) campaign
> > > targeting
> > > > > > the SMEs and hence a bulk e-mail service provider. In this concern I
> > > would
> > > > > > like to know a few details:
> > > > > > 1) Do you mail HTML mails?
> > > > > > 2) In the context of the campaign can you host our micro site as 
> > until
> > > the
> > > > > > campaign gets over?
> > > > > > 3) Do you provide targeted e-mail addresses targeting the SMEs?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would appreciate if you can mail me the cost involved and any
> > > additional
> > > > > > service you provide in the domain of targeted bulk e-mail campaigns,
> > > ASAP.
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ganesh Acharya
> > > > > > Marketing Analyst - Web
> > > > > > Icode Inc
> > > > > > Ph: (703) 934 4700 Ext - 294
> > > > > > Fx: (703) 934 4708
> > > > > > mail: ganesha at icode.com
> > > > > > www.icode.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --0-1599177482-985892287=:10465--
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- End forwarded message -----
> > >
> >
> >--
> >Yours,
> >J.A. Terranson
> >sysadmin at mfn.org
> >
> >If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
> >should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
> >Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
> >unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
> >the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and
> >elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
> >populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
> >This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
> >as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
> >
> >The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
> >associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
> >those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
> >first place...
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 

-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
sysadmin at mfn.org

If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
first place...
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