From kravietz at aba.krakow.pl Mon Jun 4 09:08:44 2001 From: kravietz at aba.krakow.pl (Pawel Krawczyk) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 18:08:44 +0200 Subject: encrypting netcat 1.10 Message-ID: <20010604180844.L607@aba.krakow.pl> I've added a trivial RC4 encryption support for popular Netcat 1.10. It works like this: $ ./nc -l -k dupa-20 -p 12345 >received.txt & $ ./nc -vv -k dupa-20 localhost 12345 security: *** fidonet: 2:486/23 From honig at sprynet.com Tue Jun 5 19:40:39 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 19:40:39 -0700 Subject: FC: NY cops arrest high schoolers over web site with sex details In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010605175746.007fdc10@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010605194039.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> At 06:32 PM 6/5/01 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >David Honig wrote: > >> I agree with you, but how could >> the amateur journalists give >> authoritative proof if the courts >> don't allow it? How is this >> handled in other cases? > >I'm not sure what you are saying here. If your "amateur journalist" has, >for instance, a videotape of some guy having sex with Tom Cruise (to take a >case ripped from today's headlines), then why would he need court-ordered >discovery? Res ipsa loquitur (the thing speaks for itself). I think my answer is: you have to do your research before the cops show up, or do some serious dumpster-diving afterwards, because the courts won't help you find corroboration. >Your question assumes you are already in court. This means you are being >sued and the clock is running on your lawyers. Witness can also disappear, >be disqualified, lie or not be believed. Lots of luck. $ure, but this is irrelevent to what the courts will/won't do, or accept, as defense for purported harassment/slander/true slander. How *would* you (not meaning just you SS) defend such a case? Or have the journalists really sinned, in a libertarian ethic? Is this an 'expectation of privacy' thing, where you can publish the nasal length or inter-ocular distances of folks but not the length of their dick, even if true? And, what are the sexual behaviors of Kirkland police? :-) From busyjaguar at usa.net Wed Jun 6 07:31:42 2001 From: busyjaguar at usa.net (Peter Novotny) Date: 6 Jun 2001 08:31:42 MDT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20010606143142.22506.qmail@nw128.netaddress.usa.net> Hello, My name is Mark and I live in Europe, in Slovakia. Is your offer available for me? Mark ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From mmotyka at lsil.com Wed Jun 6 09:05:45 2001 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (mmotyka at lsil.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 09:05:45 -0700 Subject: Ed Felten and researchers sue RIAA, DOJ over right to publish Message-ID: <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> It is important that Felton win his case. What I wonder is even if he does will the courts create only a very narrow exception for credentialed scientists working at recognized institutions? As far as I'm concerned anyone who is curious, learns something and wants to publish should have the same rights as a prof at any university. So even if he wins the battle is far from over. >http://www.wired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,44344,00.html > > Code-Breakers Go to Court > By Declan McCullagh (declan at wired.com) > 6:22 a.m. June 6, 2001 PDT > > WASHINGTON -- After a team of academics who broke a music-watermarking > scheme bowed to legal threats from the recording industry and chose > not to publish their research in April, they vowed to "fight another > day, in another way." > > [...] > Mike From declan at well.com Wed Jun 6 07:01:08 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:01:08 -0400 Subject: FC: Ed Felten and researchers sue RIAA, DOJ over right to publish Message-ID: --- Background: http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=felten DMCA-related photos: http://www.mccullagh.org/theme/dmca-appeals-arguments.html http://www.mccullagh.org/theme/dvd-2600-trial.html http://www.mccullagh.org/theme/dmca-protest.html EFF document archive: http://www.eff.org/Legal/Cases/Felten_v_RIAA/ --- http://www.wired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,44344,00.html Code-Breakers Go to Court By Declan McCullagh (declan at wired.com) 6:22 a.m. June 6, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- After a team of academics who broke a music-watermarking scheme bowed to legal threats from the recording industry and chose not to publish their research in April, they vowed to "fight another day, in another way." On Wednesday, Ed Felten of Princeton University and seven other researchers took their fight to a New Jersey federal court in a lawsuit asking that they be permitted to disclose their work at a security conference this summer. Joining them is the Usenix Association, a 26-year-old professional organization that has accepted Felten's paper for its 10th security symposium in Washington during the week of Aug. 13. The Electronic Frontier Foundation is representing the researchers and Usenix. In what appears to be the first legal challenge to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act's criminal sections, Usenix is asking the court to block the Justice Department from prosecuting the conference organizers for allowing the paper to be presented. [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- End forwarded message ----- From tmcv at prison.net Wed Jun 6 10:02:48 2001 From: tmcv at prison.net (Timothy McVeigh) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:02:48 -0700 Subject: got front plates? (Big Bro needs them..) Message-ID: <3B1E6237.1645AF8C@prison.net> In the UK, do they enforced front-plate requirements a lot? How do they track them Irish otherwise? http://www.latimes.com/editions/orange/20010606/t000047110.html Police Catch Drivers Without Front Plate Traffic police caught 202 drivers without front license plates on their cars Tuesday at a San Fernando Valley intersection, authorities said. The Los Angeles Police Department conducted the three-hour check because too many people without front license plates were getting away with running red lights, said Sgt. Dale Turner of the LAPD's Valley Traffic Division. Cameras mounted at intersections to catch red-light violators are designed to take photographs of a car's front license plate and the driver's face, but up to 25% of violators caught on film are whizzing away unticketed because the front plate is missing, Turner said. "The fine is under $20," Turner said. "A lot of people I'm sure feel that they'd rather pay the fine than put a license plate on and get a $271 [red-light violation] ticket." From tcmay at got.net Wed Jun 6 10:07:47 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:07:47 -0700 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> References: <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> Message-ID: >It is important that Felton win his case. What I wonder is even if he >does will the courts create only a very narrow exception for >credentialed scientists working at recognized institutions? As far as >I'm concerned anyone who is curious, learns something and wants to >publish should have the same rights as a prof at any university. So even >if he wins the battle is far from over. > This seems like a likely outcome, part of the "credentialling of America." There are parts of biological research which can only be done by approved, credentialled researchers. Ditto for weapons work of various kinds. (And I won't even get into the licensing of increasing numbers of professions, licensing which is really part of a rent-seeking deal by _established_ actors and also part of a _control_ method welcomed by government.) In direct analogy with Mike's point above, thing about locksmiths and locksmith tools. In many places, only "certified locksmiths" may possess even simple lock picks and diagrams of locks. (As with most such limitations on freedom, I don't think the Supreme Court has ever heard a major case on the constitutionality of making possession of a lock diagram a thought crime.) The DMCA is like this ban on locksmithing tools and knowledge. It obviously doesn't apply to the _developers_ of such "locks," only to those outside the guild who try to analyze them. --Tim May, not a licensed and certified political commentator, so read my words before the new laws take effect -- Timothy C. May tcmay at got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns From tcmay at got.net Wed Jun 6 10:09:40 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:09:40 -0700 Subject: Ed Felten and researchers sue RIAA, DOJ over right to publish In-Reply-To: <200106061622.MAA16142@hall.mail.mindspring.net> References: <200106061622.MAA16142@hall.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: >May it please the court to spell Ed's name Feltun, or Feltren, or Fellwock, >or just et al. > >Perry Fellwock wrote the anonymous 1972 Ramparts article that first >described Echelon. Ed Felten is Perry's namesake, though Ed believes >there's no connection between worldwide misspelling of Ed's last >name and getting a free-pass of Dictionary. > >Perry Metzger is a different branch of the grammar diagram, find under >*PLONK*, always upper case, always bi-starred as if that would not >be data-mined as PAL-armed. A bit early in the day to be hitting the sauce, eh? --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay at got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns From declan at well.com Wed Jun 6 07:15:00 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:15:00 -0400 Subject: Ed Felten and researchers sue RIAA, DOJ over right to publish Message-ID: <20010606101500.B20911@cluebot.com> ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- From Jim_Choate/Tivoli_Systems at us.ibm.com Wed Jun 6 09:13:43 2001 From: Jim_Choate/Tivoli_Systems at us.ibm.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:13:43 -0500 Subject: The return of MS... Message-ID: http://slashdot.org/features/01/05/29/2240253.shtml From sandfort at mindspring.com Wed Jun 6 11:15:34 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:15:34 -0700 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: <200106061727.NAA26370@smtp6.mindspring.com> Message-ID: John Young wrote: > First cpunk meeting I went to in > a Chinese greaser in Manhattan, I > paraded my credential and was > immediately banished forever for > callow by DF, SS, SL, DM, S, RA, > two narcs and a PGP-pimp. And > forbidden to ever have an online > sig, though I had a beauty in the > works which resumed more than in > fact exists, as highly educated > mod-up. As with Princeton's preen > to lure, to manufacture, over-self- > esteemeds needing protection from > the janitors. Though I don't have a Youngese-English/English-Youngese dictionary handy, I'm pretty sure I'm the SS in question. For the record, neither I nor any of the other one and two-letter personages would ever banish our good Cypherpunk compatriot, John Young. As to the presence of two narcs and a PGP-pimp, all I can say is it's news to me. S a n d y P.S. John, if it fails to communicate, it ain't art. From sandfort at mindspring.com Wed Jun 6 11:44:38 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:44:38 -0700 Subject: FC: NY cops arrest high schoolers over web site with sex details In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010605194039.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: David Honig wrote: > How *would* you (not meaning just > you SS) defend such a case? I have basic philosophical problems with the concepts of slander/libel, so my answer would not be of much help. S a n d y When you don't have the law, argue the facts. When you don't have the facts, argue the law. When you don't have the law or the facts, pound the table. From aluger at hushmail.com Wed Jun 6 12:57:51 2001 From: aluger at hushmail.com (aluger at hushmail.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:57:51 -0800 (PDT) Subject: EFF Files Anti-DCMA Lawsuit Message-ID: <200106061858.LAA29785@user1.hushmail.com> >Subject: Re: EFF Files Anti-DCMA Lawsuit >From: "Jim Choate" Shit, Choate- At least get the acronyms right if you are going to be proliferating one liner spams. It's DMCA. Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com From jya at pipeline.com Wed Jun 6 12:21:15 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:21:15 -0700 Subject: Ed Felten and researchers sue RIAA, DOJ over right to publish In-Reply-To: <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> Message-ID: <200106061622.MAA16142@hall.mail.mindspring.net> May it please the court to spell Ed's name Feltun, or Feltren, or Fellwock, or just et al. Perry Fellwock wrote the anonymous 1972 Ramparts article that first described Echelon. Ed Felten is Perry's namesake, though Ed believes there's no connection between worldwide misspelling of Ed's last name and getting a free-pass of Dictionary. Perry Metzger is a different branch of the grammar diagram, find under *PLONK*, always upper case, always bi-starred as if that would not be data-mined as PAL-armed. From schear at lvcm.com Wed Jun 6 12:27:48 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:27:48 -0700 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: References: <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010606121252.0364b358@pop3.lvcm.com> At 10:07 AM 6/6/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote: >>It is important that Felton win his case. What I wonder is even if he >>does will the courts create only a very narrow exception for >>credentialed scientists working at recognized institutions? As far as >>I'm concerned anyone who is curious, learns something and wants to >>publish should have the same rights as a prof at any university. So even >>if he wins the battle is far from over. > >This seems like a likely outcome, part of the "credentialling of America." > >There are parts of biological research which can only be done by approved, >credentialled researchers. Ditto for weapons work of various kinds. I'm aware of the FAA restrictions on rocket launching (although there doesn't appear to be curbs on development or static testing). Where can one find those related to biology? steve From sable at bcpl.net Wed Jun 6 09:44:42 2001 From: sable at bcpl.net (Rick) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:44:42 -0400 Subject: Whats up? Message-ID: <001301c0eea7$fd89f5c0$527ff2d0@mycomputer> Did u receive this, please reply. rick -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 374 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tcmay at got.net Wed Jun 6 12:45:12 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:45:12 -0700 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010606121252.0364b358@pop3.lvcm.com> References: <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010606121252.0364b358@pop3.lvcm.com> Message-ID: >At 10:07 AM 6/6/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote: >>>It is important that Felton win his case. What I wonder is even if he >>>does will the courts create only a very narrow exception for >>>credentialed scientists working at recognized institutions? As far as >>>I'm concerned anyone who is curious, learns something and wants to >>>publish should have the same rights as a prof at any university. So even >>>if he wins the battle is far from over. >> >>This seems like a likely outcome, part of the "credentialling of America." >> >>There are parts of biological research which can only be done by >>approved, credentialled researchers. Ditto for weapons work of >>various kinds. > >I'm aware of the FAA restrictions on rocket launching (although >there doesn't appear to be curbs on development or static testing). >Where can one find those related to biology? Any search with Google on the right keywords will turn up many hits. The Anti-Terrorism Act of 1996 makes nearly every facet of experimentations with potential biological warfare agents or techniques a federal crime if the proper permission slips are not obtained. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay at got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns From Jim_Choate/Tivoli_Systems at us.ibm.com Wed Jun 6 11:03:20 2001 From: Jim_Choate/Tivoli_Systems at us.ibm.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:03:20 -0500 Subject: Taming the Labile Other Message-ID: http://www.ed.uiuc.edu/EPS/PES-Yearbook/97_docs/boler.html From mmotyka at lsil.com Wed Jun 6 13:16:02 2001 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (mmotyka at lsil.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 13:16:02 -0700 Subject: Broken Parts Message-ID: <3B1E8F82.2B4CC848@lsil.com> John Young wrote: > > First cpunk meeting I went to in > a Chinese greaser in Manhattan, I > I miss NYC. S S W r o t e : > > Though I don't have a Youngese-English/English-Youngese dictionary handy, > I'm pretty sure I'm the SS in question. For the record, neither I nor any > of the other one and two-letter personages would ever banish our good > Cypherpunk compatriot, John Young. As to the presence of two narcs and a > PGP-pimp, all I can say is it's news to me. > I'd guess that the narcs are seriously under-enumerated. > S a n d y > > P.S. John, if it fails to communicate, it ain't art. > Which part is defective? The mouth or the ear? The hand or the eye? The ruler or the dissident? From sandfort at mindspring.com Wed Jun 6 13:23:50 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:23:50 -0700 Subject: Broken Parts In-Reply-To: <3B1E8F82.2B4CC848@lsil.com> Message-ID: mmotyka at lsil.com wrote: > Which part is defective? The mouth > or the ear? The hand or the eye? > The ruler or the dissident? That's easy. If one's purpose is to communicate to a given audience, it is the responsibility of the communicator to find the words, images or whatever that will have meaning to most members of that audience. On the other hand, if one's purpose is intellectual masturbation, than whatever gets one off is fine. (I guess it gets a bit more complicated if purpose is intellectual masturbatory exhibitionism.) :-D S a n d y From mmotyka at lsil.com Wed Jun 6 13:24:48 2001 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (mmotyka at lsil.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 13:24:48 -0700 Subject: The Credentialling of America Message-ID: <3B1E9190.71A37F09@lsil.com> May >>>This seems like a likely outcome, part of the "credentialling of America." >>> >>>There are parts of biological research which can only be done by >>>approved, credentialled researchers. Ditto for weapons work of >>>various kinds. >> Schear >>I'm aware of the FAA restrictions on rocket launching (although >>there doesn't appear to be curbs on development or static testing). >>Where can one find those related to biology? May > >Any search with Google on the right keywords will turn up many hits. > >The Anti-Terrorism Act of 1996 makes nearly every facet of >experimentations with potential biological warfare agents or >techniques a federal crime if the proper permission slips are not >obtained. > >--Tim May > This is just a guess but you'd be pretty likely to incur the wrath of your owners if you started experimenting with effective solid fuels even out in the middle of nowhere on your own property. Just acquiring the raw materials would probably draw unwanted attention and give the fascists enough grist to prove intent. Intent for whatever they feel like charging you with, that is. I think they want a monopoly on research and technology even remotely related to warfare. From jya at pipeline.com Wed Jun 6 13:27:03 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 13:27:03 -0700 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: References: <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> Message-ID: <200106061727.NAA26370@smtp6.mindspring.com> Note that Princeton University is not a plaintiff. Though that might come later if the institution does not have contracts with any of the defendants. So it is not yet clear if the case will benefit those affiliated with an institution, which must ever supplicate to the copyright industry. Disclaimer: I'm a licensed professional, but not for anything ever discussed here, so it's not a defense for vile behavior. First cpunk meeting I went to in a Chinese greaser in Manhattan, I paraded my credential and was immediately banished forever for callow by DF, SS, SL, DM, S, RA, two narcs and a PGP-pimp. And forbidden to ever have an online sig, though I had a beauty in the works which resumed more than in fact exists, as highly educated mod-up. As with Princeton's preen to lure, to manufacture, over-self-esteemeds needing protection from the janitors. From newsflash at macromedia.com Wed Jun 6 13:38:28 2001 From: newsflash at macromedia.com (Macromedia) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The ColdFusion 4.5 UltraDev 4 Studio is now available! Message-ID: <200106062038.f56KcSj13961@rsigate.macromedia.com> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The ColdFusion 4.5 UltraDev 4 Studio is now available! Upgrade from Dreamweaver for only $399! Visit: http://www.macromedia.com/go/0601328a1na-a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Joe, Take the next step in Web site development! The new Macromedia ColdFusion 4.5 UltraDev 4 Studio empowers you to create dynamic database-connected sites quickly and easily. 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From vescoaim at silcom.com Wed Jun 6 13:50:28 2001 From: vescoaim at silcom.com (Vincent Scalice) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:50:28 -0700 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <000a01c0eeca$534e0380$e5de47cf@notebook> All I want are some special subscription rates. Please provide. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"We all realize that since Columbine, # things have changed." # # Mr. Parker said that "appropriate disciplinary action" had been # taken against the boys, but would not elaborate further. Several # parents and students said the boys had been suspended for five # days, and had not yet returned for classes. # # The Web page at which Manhattan private-school students voted # for the most promiscuous girl or boy was created by someone who # identified herself (or perhaps himself) as Nicole Blair, on a # site owned by a University of Washington student and other people. # # Melissa Jackson, a deputy district attorney in Brooklyn who # investigated complaints about the page, said it did not list # telephone numbers and addresses, and identified many of the girls # only by first name. Her office decided not to pursue the case. 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Message-ID: http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/01/06/04/2012205.shtml From sandfort at mindspring.com Wed Jun 6 14:57:31 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:57:31 -0700 Subject: THE NICE THING ABOUT THE NEWS FROM NEPAL... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alan Olsen wrote: > Unless you are talking about Regis Philbin. No, ESPECIALLY if you're talking about Regis Philbin! Does that admittedly genial man serve any other purpose in life beyond making other folks feel superior? S a n d y From alan at clueserver.org Wed Jun 6 15:47:08 2001 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan Olsen) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: THE NICE THING ABOUT THE NEWS FROM NEPAL... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > The nice thing about the news from Nepal is that it gives one the > opportunity to use the word "regicide" in conversation. Such a good word; > so few opportunities to use it. Unless you are talking about Regis Philbin. alan at ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "All power is derived from the barrel of a gnu." - Mao Tse Stallman From rsw at MIT.EDU Wed Jun 6 13:04:24 2001 From: rsw at MIT.EDU (Riad S. Wahby) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:04:24 -0400 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010606121252.0364b358@pop3.lvcm.com>; from schear@lvcm.com on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 12:27:48PM -0700 References: <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010606121252.0364b358@pop3.lvcm.com> Message-ID: <20010606160424.A11734@positron.mit.edu> Steve Schear wrote: > I'm aware of the FAA restrictions on rocket launching (although there > doesn't appear to be curbs on development or static testing). Where can > one find those related to biology? Behavioral science involving the use of restricted drugs. Work with high-level biohazard agents. Work with certain types of radioactivity as a mutation agent. -- Riad Wahby rsw at mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105 From roy at scytale.com Wed Jun 6 14:49:53 2001 From: roy at scytale.com (Roy M. Silvernail) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:49:53 -0500 Subject: THE NICE THING ABOUT THE NEWS FROM NEPAL... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B1E5F31.14508.591AA4@localhost> On 6 Jun 2001, at 15:47, Alan Olsen wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > > The nice thing about the news from Nepal is that it gives one the > > opportunity to use the word "regicide" in conversation. Such a good > > word; so few opportunities to use it. > > Unless you are talking about Regis Philbin. And even then.... -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com roy at scytale.com From declan at well.com Wed Jun 6 15:07:12 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:07:12 -0400 Subject: FC: NY cops arrest high schoolers over web site with sex details In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010605194039.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com>; from honig@sprynet.com on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 07:40:39PM -0700 References: <3.0.6.32.20010605175746.007fdc10@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010605194039.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <20010606180712.D30820@cluebot.com> With some very narrow exceptions, such as obscenity and child pornography, publishing information is not and should not be a crime. It may spark civil suits, but not criminal prosecutions. Not that I'm biased, or anything. :) -Declan On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 07:40:39PM -0700, David Honig wrote: > At 06:32 PM 6/5/01 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > >David Honig wrote: > > > >> I agree with you, but how could > >> the amateur journalists give > >> authoritative proof if the courts > >> don't allow it? How is this > >> handled in other cases? > > > >I'm not sure what you are saying here. If your "amateur journalist" has, > >for instance, a videotape of some guy having sex with Tom Cruise (to take a > >case ripped from today's headlines), then why would he need court-ordered > >discovery? Res ipsa loquitur (the thing speaks for itself). > > I think my answer is: you have to do your research before the cops show > up, or do some serious dumpster-diving afterwards, because the courts > won't help you find corroboration. > > > >Your question assumes you are already in court. This means you are being > >sued and the clock is running on your lawyers. Witness can also disappear, > >be disqualified, lie or not be believed. Lots of luck. > > $ure, but this is irrelevent to what the courts will/won't do, or > accept, as defense for purported harassment/slander/true slander. > > How *would* you (not meaning just you SS) defend such a case? Or have > the journalists really sinned, in a libertarian ethic? Is this an > 'expectation of privacy' thing, where you can publish the nasal length or > inter-ocular > distances of folks but not the length of their dick, even if true? > > And, what are the sexual behaviors of Kirkland police? :-) From declan at well.com Wed Jun 6 15:09:45 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:09:45 -0400 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: ; from sandfort@mindspring.com on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:15:34AM -0700 References: <200106061727.NAA26370@smtp6.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20010606180944.E30820@cluebot.com> On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:15:34AM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > Though I don't have a Youngese-English/English-Youngese dictionary handy, > I'm pretty sure I'm the SS in question. For the record, neither I nor any > of the other one and two-letter personages would ever banish our good > Cypherpunk compatriot, John Young. As to the presence of two narcs and a Quite right. We'd even immortalize the moment! http://www.mccullagh.org/cgi-bin/photosearch.cgi?name=john+young -Declan From declan at well.com Wed Jun 6 15:10:54 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:10:54 -0400 Subject: EFF Files Anti-DCMA Lawsuit In-Reply-To: <200106061858.LAA29785@user1.hushmail.com>; from aluger@hushmail.com on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:57:51AM -0800 References: <200106061858.LAA29785@user1.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <20010606181054.F30820@cluebot.com> Choate might also want to read the far-more-descriptive posts that others on the list have made on this topic hours before. Sigh. -Declan On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:57:51AM -0800, aluger at hushmail.com wrote: > >Subject: Re: EFF Files Anti-DCMA Lawsuit > >From: "Jim Choate" > > Shit, Choate- > > At least get the acronyms right if you are going to be proliferating one > liner spams. > > It's DMCA. > Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com From drevil at sidereal.kz Wed Jun 6 11:23:14 2001 From: drevil at sidereal.kz (Dr. Evil) Date: 6 Jun 2001 18:23:14 -0000 Subject: "US customers buy $3,000 phone that will not work" In-Reply-To: <3B1E042B.61DA0A4D@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> (message from Ken Brown on Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:21:31 +0100) References: <3B1CF3CC.36CEDF32@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> <3B1E042B.61DA0A4D@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20010606182314.13579.qmail@sidereal.kz> Voice encrytion is cursed. It's tabboo. There's a lot of demand for it, it shoud be cheap and easy to do it, and yet it never happens. When I have enough money, I'm going to make it happen by hiring someone to build and sell the Harmless Little Board project. From tmcv at prison.net Wed Jun 6 19:28:25 2001 From: tmcv at prison.net (Tim McVeigh) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 19:28:25 -0700 Subject: Incompetent posts by fool at prison.net Message-ID: <3B1EE6C8.D47308A9@prison.net> At 01:56 AM 6/6/01 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: >I hope you die when your namesake does. > >Or sooner. > >No one's going to read zig-zag posts, >you're wasting your time. Please tell me, in my time remaining, how to copy text from latimes.com (without sending html) and I will learn. Meanwhile, be glad I'm not choating the list with meaningless urls and emptier comments. Peas & Doves, TMcV From sandfort at mindspring.com Wed Jun 6 19:44:15 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:44:15 -0700 Subject: Incompetent posts by fool at prison.net In-Reply-To: <3B1EE6C8.D47308A9@prison.net> Message-ID: Tim McVeigh wrote: > Please tell me, in my time remaining, > how to copy text from latimes.com > (without sending html) and I will > learn. What's wrong with just highlighting the text, copying it and pasting it in your e-mail? I just grabbed the following from latimes.com; let's see if it zig zags: "The federal judge in the Oklahoma City bombing case says newly released documents do not change the fact that Timothy McVeigh is guilty." S a n d y From honig at sprynet.com Wed Jun 6 19:48:09 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 19:48:09 -0700 Subject: Cypherpunk List? In-Reply-To: <3B1DF9D8.EC149751@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> References: <009301c0eddd$7674df20$12a13cd1@coactive.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010606194809.007f0490@pop.sprynet.com> At 10:37 AM 6/6/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: >better idea. lne.com filters some potential spam I believe. LNE is a fucking godsend. From tmcv at prison.net Wed Jun 6 19:50:21 2001 From: tmcv at prison.net (Tim McVeigh) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 19:50:21 -0700 Subject: Cypherpunk List? Message-ID: <3B1EEBED.7A9F1D40@prison.net> At 10:37 AM 6/6/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: >better idea. lne.com filters some potential spam I believe. LNE is a fucking godsend. My penis has grown, I've made hundreds of thousands, and I've lost weight easily since resubscribing.. From honig at sprynet.com Wed Jun 6 20:00:24 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:00:24 -0700 Subject: Ed Felten and researchers sue RIAA, DOJ over right to publish In-Reply-To: <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010606200024.007fad40@pop.sprynet.com> At 09:05 AM 6/6/01 -0700, mmotyka at lsil.com wrote: >It is important that Felton win his case. What I wonder is even if he >does will the courts create only a very narrow exception for >credentialed scientists working at recognized institutions? I think TM has a phrase re journalists, or publishers, which I will paraphrase as: We are all scientists. And really, we are: even children apply the scientific method. Its not rocket science. Sad that we might have to explain that to a haughty, dangerous dude in robes. From honig at sprynet.com Wed Jun 6 20:25:57 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:25:57 -0700 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010606121252.0364b358@pop3.lvcm.com> References: <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010606202557.007fa6b0@pop.sprynet.com> At 12:27 PM 6/6/01 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: >I'm aware of the FAA restrictions on rocket launching (although there >doesn't appear to be curbs on development or static testing). Where can >one find those related to biology? As far as I know, all the govt limits are controls on fed bucks to researchers. No one stops you from private research yet. From honig at sprynet.com Wed Jun 6 20:26:53 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:26:53 -0700 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010606121252.0364b358@pop3.lvcm.com> <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010606121252.0364b358@pop3.lvcm.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010606202653.007ede00@pop.sprynet.com> At 12:45 PM 6/6/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: >The Anti-Terrorism Act of 1996 makes nearly every facet of >experimentations with potential biological warfare agents or >techniques a federal crime if the proper permission slips are not >obtained. > Yes, with biowar bugs, but not with human tissue or GM (euros may shudder here) research/development. From bpayne37 at home.com Wed Jun 6 19:45:40 2001 From: bpayne37 at home.com (bpayne37 at home.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:45:40 -0600 Subject: favor to ask Message-ID: <3B1EEAD3.7DE6A4B3@home.com> cypherpunks We have a favor to ask. 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From alan at clueserver.org Wed Jun 6 21:51:26 2001 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan Olsen) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 21:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ed Felten and researchers sue RIAA, DOJ over right to publish In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010606200024.007fad40@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, David Honig wrote: > We are all scientists. > > And really, we are: even children apply the scientific method. Its not > rocket science. You have not dealt with many Creationists I take it... alan at ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "All power is derived from the barrel of a gnu." - Mao Tse Stallman From mnorton at cavern.uark.edu Wed Jun 6 20:17:07 2001 From: mnorton at cavern.uark.edu (Mac Norton) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:17:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Cypherpunk List? In-Reply-To: <3B1EEBED.7A9F1D40@prison.net> Message-ID: Sure as hell cured my acne. Works great on herpes too, I hear, not to mention the hearbreak of psoriasis, the agony of dandruff, and the ecstasy of eczema. MacN On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Tim McVeigh wrote: > At 10:37 AM 6/6/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: > >better idea. lne.com filters some potential spam I believe. > > LNE is a fucking godsend. > > My penis has grown, I've made hundreds of thousands, and I've lost > weight easily since resubscribing.. > > > From reeza at flex.com Thu Jun 7 01:34:40 2001 From: reeza at flex.com (Reese) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 22:34:40 -1000 Subject: In-Reply-To: <000a01c0eeca$534e0380$e5de47cf@notebook> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010606223217.0304a5d0@flex.com> At 10:50 AM 6/6/01, Vincent Scalice wrote: >All I want are some special subscription rates. > >Please provide. For the special rate of US$1000.00 per month (payable in advance), I'll subscribe you to the public output of my keyboard. To:, Cc: or Bcc:, your option. What do you say? From iang at abraham.cs.berkeley.edu Wed Jun 6 19:45:02 2001 From: iang at abraham.cs.berkeley.edu (Ian Goldberg) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 22:45:02 -0400 Subject: FC: NY cops arrest high schoolers over web site with sex details References: <3.0.6.32.20010605175746.007fdc10@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010605194039.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010606180712.D30820@cluebot.com> Message-ID: In article <20010606180712.D30820 at cluebot.com>, Declan McCullagh wrote: >With some very narrow exceptions, such as obscenity and child pornography, >publishing information is not and should not be a crime. It may spark >civil suits, but not criminal prosecutions. *cough* DMCA *cough* >Not that I'm biased, or anything. :) Nor I, of course. :-) The fact that I'm on a particular Usenix Security Program Committee notwithstanding... - Ian From mallen at vidnet.net Wed Jun 6 21:02:03 2001 From: mallen at vidnet.net (Morris Allen) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 23:02:03 -0500 Subject: Automatic's Message-ID: <000901c0ef06$9c12e4a0$c97391d0@vidnet.net> Does anyone know what type of automatic handguns the agents used in the Matrix movie. Cal and etc.. thanks M. Allen ______________________________________________________ E-mail is a Privilege, not a Right -- Stop Spam Now!! VidcomNet, Inc -- Leader in Technology -- www.vidnet.net 4207 Texas Blvd. Texarkana, Texas 75503 (903)792-6277 or vidcom at vidnet.net From measl at mfn.org Wed Jun 6 21:23:45 2001 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 23:23:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <000901c0ef06$9c12e4a0$c97391d0@vidnet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Morris Allen wrote: > Does anyone know what type of automatic handguns the agents used in the > Matrix movie. Cal and etc.. Why would anybody *care*? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From measl at mfn.org Wed Jun 6 21:27:38 2001 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 23:27:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <000901c0ef06$9c12e4a0$c97391d0@vidnet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Morris Allen blarged: > E-mail is a Privilege, not a Right -- Stop Spam Now!! Just curious: if email is a "privilege", what is snail-mail? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From iang at abraham.cs.berkeley.edu Wed Jun 6 18:59:51 2001 From: iang at abraham.cs.berkeley.edu (Ian Goldberg) Date: 7 Jun 2001 01:59:51 GMT Subject: FC: NY cops arrest high schoolers over web site with sex details References: <3.0.6.32.20010605175746.007fdc10@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010605194039.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010606180712.D30820@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <9fmn6n$6d8$1@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> In article <20010606180712.D30820 at cluebot.com>, Declan McCullagh wrote: >With some very narrow exceptions, such as obscenity and child pornography, >publishing information is not and should not be a crime. It may spark >civil suits, but not criminal prosecutions. *cough* DMCA *cough* >Not that I'm biased, or anything. :) Nor I, of course. :-) The fact that I'm on a particular Usenix Security Program Committee notwithstanding... - Ian From maillist at sunsetmarketinginc.com Thu Jun 7 02:09:24 2001 From: maillist at sunsetmarketinginc.com (Computer Hardware Specials) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 2:09:24 PM -0500 Subject: Advertisement - Computer Hardware Specials from Sunset Marketing, Inc. Message-ID: <200106071409.PKG5449@mail.mindspring.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 13233 bytes Desc: not available URL: From remailer at xganon.com Thu Jun 7 00:41:50 2001 From: remailer at xganon.com (Public ) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 02:41:50 -0500 Subject: the end of freedom Message-ID: <0a473d3a4393f007a1a608977144cdf3@anon.xg.nu> I'm smiling in my grave. From petro at bounty.org Thu Jun 7 03:08:44 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 03:08:44 -0700 Subject: Incompetent posts by fool at prison.net In-Reply-To: <3B1EE6C8.D47308A9@prison.net> References: <3B1EE6C8.D47308A9@prison.net> Message-ID: >At 01:56 AM 6/6/01 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: >>I hope you die when your namesake does. >> >>Or sooner. >> >>No one's going to read zig-zag posts, >>you're wasting your time. > >Please tell me, in my time remaining, how to copy text from latimes.com >(without sending >html) and I will learn. Meanwhile, be glad I'm not choating the list >with meaningless urls >and emptier comments. :5,$ s/ //g -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. 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From George at Orwellian.Org Thu Jun 7 01:36:45 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 04:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Incompetent posts by fool at prison.net Message-ID: <200106070836.EAA04749@www0.aa.psiweb.com> TMcV wrote: # ...how to copy text from latimes.com (without sending # html) and I will learn. I've posted it before, here it is again. Take the time to scoop into a separate file (simpletext?) as flat text. Have the first line of the file be the URL, and a blank line after that. With Tcl installed, run this script: http://Orwellian.Org/docs/wrap_Usenet Some sites, I think LATimes is one of them, also need you to add a blank lines between the paragraphs first. Take the 30 secs necessary to do this before posting to the list. ---- # Meanwhile, be glad I'm not choating the list # with meaningless urls and emptier comments. He needs to be "censored" 9-5. 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I'd also be interested if > anyone comes up with any good ways to speed it up. sha1 is more > complex than md5 and at the moment, the implementation is about 1/3 > the speed of md5pure. From tmcv at prison.net Thu Jun 7 05:21:09 2001 From: tmcv at prison.net (Tim McVeigh) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 05:21:09 -0700 Subject: THE NICE THING ABOUT THE NEWS FROM NEPAL... Message-ID: <3B1F71B5.3D92EA24@prison.net> At 02:14 PM 6/6/01 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >The nice thing about the news from Nepal is that it gives one the >opportunity to use the word "regicide" in conversation. Such a good word; >so few opportunities to use it. Supposedly the little prince had been drinking. Does Jenna have access to firearms? From honig at sprynet.com Thu Jun 7 05:23:02 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 05:23:02 -0700 Subject: FC: NY cops arrest high schoolers over web site with sex details In-Reply-To: <20010606180712.D30820@cluebot.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010605194039.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010605175746.007fdc10@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010605194039.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010607052302.00803850@pop.sprynet.com> At 06:07 PM 6/6/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >With some very narrow exceptions, such as obscenity and child pornography, >publishing information is not and should not be a crime. It may spark >civil suits, but not criminal prosecutions. > >Not that I'm biased, or anything. :) > >-Declan What is obscenity? [Rhetorically...] From dog3 at charc.net Thu Jun 7 03:28:52 2001 From: dog3 at charc.net (cubic-dog) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 06:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010606121252.0364b358@pop3.lvcm.com> Message-ID: Tim >There are parts of biological research which can only be done by approved, >credentialled researchers. Ditto for weapons work of various kinds. Weapons? Real, live useful weapons, such as small arms? John Moses Browning, father of the gas powered automatic. Producer of the first gas operated belt fed machine gun. Was a citizen gunsmith, not a corporation. The M1911, the BAR, and by extention, the FN-FAL, the 30 and 50 cal crew served machine guns. This was just a guy. Then John Garand, father of the "best battle rifle in history" the M1 Garand, the liberator of europe, from which the M14 was derived, Was a gunsmith in the employ of the department of the army. Garand declined a patent on his rifle, as he felt a patent would occlude the weapons manufacture. He was an open source kinda guy. Garand and Browning would be hunted animals under todays laws. No knocks against Eugene Stoner, the "father" of the M16, but his prototype was redesigned in committee by large corporations the likes of which brought us the M60 and other such jammomatic battle weapons. The US, by outlawing private weapons development that once allowed them to arm and deploy the most fearsome defensive force in history, has now turned to places like Belgium for the M249, and our good buddies H&K with thier 3rd Reich derived MP-series for our storm troopers. From honig at sprynet.com Thu Jun 7 06:54:41 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:54:41 -0700 Subject: You couldn't get away with that now -Gordon Moore (Re: Credentialing) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010606121252.0364b358@pop3.lvcm.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010607065441.00807930@pop.sprynet.com> "Moore made explosive and rockets- fragments of which would pepper a neighbor's roof, 'which wasn't much fun from their point of view'. He tinkerred with a variety of explosives, "but nitroglycerin was one of the easiest ones" he said. 'You couldn't get away with that now.'" Moore, as in Gordon E. Moore, of Moore's law and ex ceo of Intel. EETimes 4 June 01, p 20 From ravage at ssz.com Thu Jun 7 05:07:53 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 07:07:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Crypto Survey May 2001 by Markku J. Saarelainen (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:04:37 -0700 From: Markku Saarelainen To: mjs.crypto at eudoramail.com Subject: Crypto Survey May 2001 by Markku J. Saarelainen ******************************************************** CRYPTO SURVEY MAY 2001 Cryptographic Survey, May 2001, Markku J. Saarelainen Email: cryptocom at hotvoice.com ******************************************************** A SUMMARY CONCLUSION: The major societal development since the 1st and 2nd crypto surveys in 1996 and 1997 has been the removal of many regulatory barriers for open trading of cryptographic products in the North America and globally. In addition, the number of cryptographic applications and component implementations has increased, while at the same time the variety of different types of solutions has risen. This does not necessarily mean the wider use of encryption in businesses and personal activities. Many same or similar behavioral barriers for the effective utilization of many security solutions still exist limiting the protection of communications, data storage and networking. In addition, the lack of the interoperability between solutions from different suppliers tends to decrease the number of effective cryptography users worldwide. It is clear that the awareness for encrypted communication and protected information activities has increased, while necessary regulatory changes for protectin! g ! ! ! entities from security vulnerabilities has enabled cryptographic product suppliers to satisfy market requirements in the U.S.A., in the North America and globally. However, regulatory and cultural differences exist from one nation or region to another creating a global unbalanced situation of the security use, which has the reducing effect on security practices and policy implementations of any global entity in different regions. This impacts on the interoperability of units of global entities. It is likely that there shall be greater competing drives in the information technology market place between different security strategies and approaches from different software and hardware product and security suppliers. ******************************************************** QUESTION 1. In your opinion, what are the 5-10 most significant applications of encryption technologies currently in commercial enterprises? ******************************************************** 1. HTTP over SSL (aka HTTPS) / SSL for credit card processing / SSL / Web-activity privacy (SSL) 2. IPsec 3. RSA Secure ID (maybe) 4. Online Credit Card Processing & Financial Transfers 5. VPNs / Virtual Private Networks for widely distributed offices / VPN for remote access to Intranet 6. Email encryption (via PGP/GPG or SMIME) / Encrypted Messages / Email Privacy 7. Digital signing authentication of messages 8. Consensus and voting software (not now but give it 5 years) 9. Encrypted file systems for sensitive data 10. Signing software for installation 11. Signing email messages to show official authority 12. Wireless local area network encryption 13. Password protection/access control 14. Data protection 15. Session protection (VPN's) 16. Authentication and authorization / Customer authentication (e.g. PIN checking) 17. Securing B2B file exchange 18. PKI 19. Remote secure teleworking 20. Digital signatures 21. Time-stamping ******************************************************** QUESTION 2. In your opinion, what are 5-10 main barriers currently that may prevent the successful implementation and utilization of encryption technologies in commercial enterprises? ******************************************************** 1. Ignorance of risks prevents purchase 2. Dishonest portrayal of product (i.e.: false security claims and blatant product holes in end-to-end protection) promotes distrust in the whole industry 3. Most products are a waste of time because they are not a comprehensive solution - e.g.: why bother using PGP when there is nothing in any NAI products to protect against back-office-style electronic eavesdropping attacks? 4. Many people do not care about cryptography and/or security products 5. Having lived happily without serious protection for a long while, most customers believe there is no point retrofitting an expensive solution for a problem they do not have (and many of them are probably right...) 6. Lack of knowledge by decision-maker 7. Low knowledge level of users 8. Lack of knowledge by computer scientists 9. Lack of complete standards (S/MIME to be extended, ...) 10. Cost 11. It is too hard to use / complexity / Not transparent enough and made user hard to use. 12. Difficult and complex configurations. 13. Diversity of enterprise 14. Trained security personnel 15. Commercial operating systems are too difficult to secure and hence there is no such thing as a rusted base 16. No widely accepted standard for smart cards or tokens 17. No facility for reading smart cards or tokens on mass market PCs 18. Character limit on Microsoft passwords 19. Bad advice on password generation 20. Unjustified prices for non-commodity products 21. Confused security market - lack of standards and best practices, everyone is trying to define their own market segment and different way to solve the same common problem. 22. Protectiveness of public sector - local solutions are preferred 23. No. 1 is the need of users training, as they tend not to understand too well what procedures are for encryption. This can mean huge resources/budgeting requirements and the aftermath of running Helpdesk support. 24. Key distribution is also a major consideration for large user groups. PKI seems to address this problem but it brings forth more problems of its own. PKI is not simple to set up in a production environment and certificates rollout is a noted issue. Incompatibility issues with various PKI vendors' product may bring down the whole PKI project. Very often customers are forced into accepting single PKI supplier solution. PKI related standards abound but incompatibility is still with us. Also an issue is the insufficient supply of security professional to serve customers' demand. 25. Lack of PKI or alternative 26. Expensive charges by digital certificate issuers 27. Difficulty of users managing passwords 28. Failures of interoperability between vendors implementing "standards" 29. IS department sees encryption as a limit on its monitoring activities 30. Users lack of security knowledge 31. Interoperability between heterogeneous systems 32. Not aware of the importance of security 33. Complex key management 34. Inefficiency 35. Most existing Public Key infrastructures are based on deeply flawed models of trust. They abandon the idea of trust and aim to prove identity instead - but fail to do even that since Verisign, etc, do not adequately protect themselves from fraud. 36. There are too few key authorities and the business has substantial barriers to entry. Basically, if you cannot get your root key into the default configuration of the majority browser (for which the software company that makes the majority browser will charge a very large amount of money) then your key authority is a non-starter. This creates a monopoly environment in which customers are being drastically overcharged and underserved for their key certificates, and also creates targets for hacking, fraud, or legal compromise, which would cause enormous damage if compromised. 37. The non-centralized key authorities favored by PGP et al are a better trust model and don't suffer from the few-points-of-attack problem, but they are being killed by apathy. The "web of trust" is no longer a web, it's a bunch of teeny bits of webbing blowing hither and yon. 38. Software Patents. Software patents have necessitated creating multiple incompatible versions of many things that ought to be public infrastructure and utilities by now. As long as users of one version of PGP can't read or verify messages created by another, due to software patents, all versions of PGP have diminished utility. 39. Development practices. It is almost impossible to write secure code using what is now considered "ordinary" Object-oriented programming. GUI's and windowing systems have so many deep security flaws that security is nearly impossible unless these things are reimplemented from the ground up. In particular, every windowing system on the market makes it possible to monitor keystrokes intended for a different program, and none even have an option to "clear" memory of what's on the screen before releasing the memory back to the system where another program can allocate it. 40. Protocol Impoverishment. There are many useful protocols that have been discussed and discovered, but very *VERY* few of them have ever seen a robust or publicly available implementation. ********************************************************* QUESTION 3. What are activities and projects that can be initiated and taken to lower and reduce above barriers (see the question 2.)? ********************************************************* 1. Introduce a new government law which makes security companies 100% liable and responsible for all damage and losses that occur as a result of their software failing to perform the purpose it was sold for, and failing to live up to their advertised claims. This will force product vendors to revise their claims, remove the lies from their packaging, and cause them to have to print lengthy explanations of what threats their products can not withstand. This will give customers an opportunity to understand what risks they really face after using various products and an opportunity to seriously compare different products pre-purchase. 2. Education and training 3. Consulting or outsourcing of enterprise security 4. More publicity 5. Standardization 6. Integration of security products into mass-market software 7. There is little we can do about the end-users, I think time is the best cure here. Imagine asking the government or any organization to provide free training on security practices to all. Hopefully, users will see encryption is a tool to protect them and help them rather than something hindering their work and therefore must fight against. On the (encryption) technology side I believe the industry can do something to help the poor users and itself as a side bonus. It would be much easier for security integrators if different vendors work together making their solutions friendlier to each other. I notice this trend has started already but I think it is not enough. There should be some form of non-vendor affiliated body that run some certification scheme to endorse/state "what product from which vendor is compatible with who" sort of reference. 8. Remove the barriers listed in Question 2 9. Develop an alternate Internet based on secure technology. 10. Education project to be launched in include cryptography in engineering and computer scientist basic school programs. 11. A widely accepted, free certificate issuer would solve the PKI and certificate-expense problems. This could be a government service. 12. Simplification of security standards and focusing on profiles, which represent limited but functional subsets will help with interop. 13. Most security standards are too complex. 14. Children should begin being trained in school to deal with network security throughout their lives. They should learn to memorize passwords and understand the basic functionality of two key cryptography. 15. Schools should prepare children for a life where crypto keys are tools they are as comfortable using as computers. 16. Push a practical PKI for ease of use. 17. Make interface more friendly and transparent to the users. 18. Reduce human interactions. 19. Make configuration easy. 20. Public domain or public-license sw for an extended set of protocols ought to be developed. Software patents have become a "poison pill" to compatibility, so they ought to be avoided and it ought to be possible to completely avoid them. GPG and OpenSSH are the two premier examples of this, and their existence has a lot to do with the technologies they represent having finally become important. 21. Public awareness of the probability and consequences of failure to keep data secure. This is sorely lacking now, although the IT departments of major companies are finally starting to "get it". 22. Public Key authorities need to be much easier to set up. 23. Crypto books aimed at kids and amateurs. The developers stuff is there already, but it's hard to draw new workers into the field beyond the stale "spy glamour" thing. Anyway, kids and amateurs are the future security pros who can solve the major problems with software and etc; we just need more people in the field who are willing to get their hands dirty and experiment with code. This is one of the most lopsided fields of software development, where we have *SCADS* of ideas from academics that no one has had time to properly implement yet. We need a lot of implementers to get really fired up about it. ******************************************************** ******************************************************** CRYPTO SURVEYS OF 1996 AND 1997 ******************************************************** SURVEY SUMMARY : ENCRYPTION FOLLOW-UP SURVEY MAY, 1997 Note: This survey summary contains raw survey results that have NOT been analyzed, evaluated or prioritized. The results are based on comments and opinions (all of which may not be facts) that were received from many individuals who responded to the original (October 1996) survey. ***************************** QUESTION 1: In your opinion, what are main developments in the adoption of encryption technologies in commercial enterprises since October, 1996? ***************************** "The continued government attempts to get 'key recovery', and a certain amount of reluctant willingness from business." "Purely for e-commerce reasons have there been any advancements. The rest of the encryption world (privacy/freedom etc.) have been appallingly backward and most governments will tend to hold them back." "Network Computers (NCs)." "Slight easing of export restrictions. Development of several payment protocols. Increasing adoption of retail commerce over the net as evidenced by recent IPO of Amazon.com." "There is some movement towards more advanced mathematics. The market is searching for patent free/royalty free encryption. Governments are attempting to halt it, but are failing miserably." "Electronic payment via The Internet." "C2's bypass of the export regulations. The broader adoption of SSL. Eudora plugins for PGP." "-SSL has been widely used for the securing of data for a number of on-line Internet banks. -Encrypted tunneling products which extend the corporate Intranet/LAN are now becoming widely available. -Smart cards are finally appearing in North America. In Canada alone Visa Cash, Exact (Proton?), and Mondex are going through trials. -SSL is now widely used to protect credit card transactions on a number of internet retail sites -The US government continues to support key escrow for exported encryption. -Major players (i.e. banks, IBM, MS, HP, VeriFone) are taking steps to integrate SET into their range of products. -Future browsers are going to allow smart cards to Interface with the Internet." ***************************** QUESTION 2: In your opinion, what are 5-10 main barriers currently that may prevent the successful implementation and utilization of encryption technologies in commercial enterprises? ***************************** "-Legislation and government intervention for strong encryption. -Unfamiliarity with the technology will produce mistrust of its reliability. -Safe key-management processes are difficult to achieve. This will reduce the security of cryptography and thus its usefulness for many applications. -Cryptography is not user-friendly right now. Until it becomes so than it is unlikely to achieve widespread usage. -Licensing fees for cryptographic algorithms are not cheap. Until patents expire for things like the RSA public key algorithm the costs of developing reliable cryptographic products will remain high. - There are a large number of cryptographic products with no clear standards in sight." "Export regulations." "Lack of perceived need." "Lack of expertise among engineers and technicians." "a) Lack of interest in security b) Concentration on cost c) Lack of ready-to-use cheap tools d) Legislation and potential legislation e) Patents and licensing issues" "Government inadequacies in legislation, Vendors propensity to hand private keys to government (extrapolate that to insecurity when a person working for a vendor is bribed to give out a private key), Costs, Public reluctance in encryption (FUD factor)" "Threats to roles of traditional players (e.g., SET's effect on card issuers)., Seamless integration into products., Education of users., Regulatory obstacles. Widespread availability." "1) ease of use, 2) cost of real security, 3) an understanding of security details, 4) a lack of understanding the difference between cryptography and security 5) uncertainty as to what the government rules are" "- exportability (permissions are needed if a product implements cryptography, and 2 or more versions of the software has to be build), - patents (can't exploit algorithms without negotiating royalties)" "The governments export restrictions on strong cryptographic algorithms." " It is not a question of availability of software, but of interoperability between systems made/sold in different regions of the world." "Government FUD. Ease of use. Cost of training etc. Worry about leakage of secrets." ***************************** QUESTION 3: What are activities and projects that can be initiated and taken to lower and reduce above barriers (see the question 2.)? ***************************** "a) Wider accurate publication of security lapses. b),c) Cheap tools fitted for a job. I just read a Sun catalogue where much of the software (including security software) has laughable prices. Get a straightforward Virtual Private Network from 100 pounds for a start. d) Do strong lobbying and occupy lawmaker's time with other stuff when they seem to be going in the wrong direction. e) Wait for some important expiry dates. Have more reasonable contact with license-holders. Bypass licenses by producing new methods that get less restriction." "Continued integration into key products such as Netscape and IE. Perhaps even into OSes." "Lowering the barriers to deploying certification authority infrastructures for use w/in intranets. (in terms of cost, ease of administration, etc.), Further efforts at deregulation." "Lobby governments, Do not place restrictions for vendor based key management, Push for totally private key systems" "A not for profit, global, public education group should be created whose purpose is to help educate businesses. Secondarily it should educate the public on the issues of privacy, but the primary goal should be to get all businesses (mainly the small ones) to understand that simple pains can give a great deal of security, and that the cost is worth the money and time saved from fraud and theft." "An e-mail program that a "stoned hippy" could use and still not leak information is needed. It would not allow too much flexibility, but it would give "the masses" a hands on feel for what security is and how crypto plays a role in their everyday life. Six year old kids and their grandmothers could be using even this simple security level for e-mail. It would go a long way because people will ask many questions, and they will get many answers. It would more rapidly diffuse the information and education over the populace (world wide)." "Develop simple and user-friendly ways to use cryptography and manage keys effectively." "Reduce the ability for corporations to patent cryptographic processes, key-management techniques, and anything other than completely unique cryptographic algorithms. We don't need research into new cryptography we need open access to refinements of what exists. If people can patent those refinements then it reduces the access people have to these new technologies at the expense of society at large." "Eliminate export barriers on strong encryption." "Education (public): crypto is used for authentication as well as privacy. It is *not* military or espionage technology. It is (required) enabling technology for tomorrow's information superhighway." "Education (professional): principles of information security taught in all relevant courses. (e.g. computing, telecom, electronics, etc)." ----- Results of the original survey in October, 1996 ------- SURVEY SUMMARY: Encryption in Commercial Enterprises October, 1996 by M. J. Saarelainen SURVEY METHODS BRIEFLY: Three specific questions were sent to several mailing lists and news groups. The great number of responses was received. These responses were compiled as received to the list (without any priorities) below. No detailed analysis or evaluations were completed at this time. Please, review these questions and responses and let me know, if you like to add, remove or change something. Thanks. ------- QUESTION 1. In your opinion, what are the 5-10 most significant applications of encryption technologies currently in commercial enterprises? RESPONSES (# of responses = 29) TO QUESTION 1: 1. Secure E-Mail / Secure E-mail SMTP/POP3 mail client 2. Secure Internet-Shopping 3. Encrypt the entire internet ( encrypting routers etc. ) 4. Encrypted file systems - partition for laptops 5. Encrypted voice (cellular, cordless, wireline, voice-over-internet) 6. Secure FAX 7. Point-to-point encrypted links, for corporations using the Internet as a WAN. 8. EDI (both encryption & authentication), Electronic Data Interchange (EDI) 9. Secure FTP client/server software 10. Secure FTP client only software 11. Secure UNIX FTP server software 12. Secure File based encryption for HD and Floppy 13. Accounting departments need to ensure their data can't be changed 14. Engineering needs to ensure competition doesn't easily steal ideas 15. Secure login (and insecure, in the case of Unix) 16. Network traffic encryption 17. Local file/data protection (incl. backup protection) 18. Protection of proprietary information while allowing company use of it. 19. Crypto applications as an element in the information security system 20. Regional and national electric power exchanges between companies 21. Large investment banks who want to coordinate across their own organizations and others in significant numbers 22. Healthcare cries out for encryption 23. The military for sensitive non-classified information. 24. Law enforcement is a natural for the internet, if they could agree on a common security solution. 25. Online banking, online sales and commerce, data protection on commercial database servers, secure transfer of govt. information, ie. tax information on citizens. 26. The most widely spread encryption technologies are pgp and proprietary hardware solutions by different providers like Cylink etc. SSL is now upcoming. 27. Protection and storage of Archives 28. Person to person communication within an organization. 29. Secure remote communications (over the Internet) -------- QUESTION 2. In your opinion, what are 5-10 main barriers currently that may prevent the successful implementation and utilization of encryption technologies in commercial enterprises? RESPONSES (# of responses = 22) TO QUESTION 2: 1. Cryptic user interfaces 2. ITAR regulations, Government regulation or restrictions of use of strong encryption, Government export restrictions for strong encryption. 3. Ignorance ( pegasus provides REAL encryption ) 4. Lack of knowledge of resources available to Business. 5. Misunderstanding that encryption is complicated. 6. Misunderstanding that encryption is costly. 7. General lack of knowledge as to how to write *strong* encryption 8. Lack of integration of strong encryption so that the user must learn/know too much in order to use it properly 9. General lack of understanding of the necessity of *strong* encryption 10. Difficult to use 11. Slow speed 12. Complexity makes choices difficult since no one can be a full expert 13. Workers have to wait for a supervisor 14. A lack of understanding of the technology 15. The lack of good cost-benefit analysis data 16. On the product development side, few companies have both the engineering and the marketing/industry expertise to successfully make good secure products which meet real market needs and demands 17. Key Management. The ability for a user to gain authentification for use of cryptographic programs, to access information for which that person is authorized. Passwords can be forgotten, or copied, verifying a user easily is very difficult. 18. Lack of standards, and most of all lack of good certification services. 19. The second barrier derives from a missing standard interface in E-Mail, ftp ... solutions.so transparently embed widely spread encryption 20. Lack of knowledge of encryption is a big hurdle to it's implementation. Non-technical people are required to evaluate the use of a technological product they may not understand completely. It's difficult to put your trust in an algorithm when you don't understand how it works. 21. Many enterprises may not be aware of how easy it is to begin using encryption within their organization. 22. Many organizations may not recognize the need to protect information within their organization. Some may not be aware of how easy it is to tap into electronic communications. -------- QUESTION 3. What are activities and projects that can be initiated and taken to lower and reduce above barriers (see the question 2.)? RESPONSES (# of responses = 27) TO QUESTION 3: 1. Integrated mail reader with PGP capabilities, easy to use 2. Spreading awareness of how useful strong crypto really is. 3. Spreading awareness of exactly *why* governments seeks to prevent the spread of crypto. 4. Writing strong encryption software and placing it in the public domain. 5. Proving by actual demonstration that existing encryption is inadequate. 6. Encouraging wealthy crypto advocates to speak freely. 7. Education of users and vendors of the issues 8. Lobbying of governments by aforementioned enlightened users/vendors 9. Different products need to be created which can interoperate transparently to the user, but not deliver data unless operator is valid 10. Smart cards which attach to every terminal, the cards go with the person and they can validate themselves at any terminal 11. Overcoming the complexity barrier requires patient teaching of each client 12. A set of brochures and pamphlets needs to be created which describes most systems in use for a particular level of security 13. A major project would be to simply educate the managers of most companies about crypto, to remove the magic and bring the whole thing down to earth 14. Manufacturers need to go to more trouble talking with customers before designing products and be more creative in finding ways to meet market needs 15. Security companies also need to audit themselves and demonstrate that they are trustworthy 16. Better turnkey low-cost enterprise-wide solutions to common problems (network encryption, for example) are needed. 17. Make applications easier to use, Build easy to use encryption into applications so that it is smooth or even transparent to users 18. Universal standards for dual key encryption 19. Reduce strength of encryption to increase speed 20. Large groups of customers must get together and dictate standards to the security industry. 21. The first thing is to implement a transparent interface to encryption function to all data transfer services. 22. The second would be to get all suppliers of encryption technologies to confirm to this standard. 23. I think the best thing is to initiate a workgroup at The Open Group responsible for encryption interfaces. 24. Public Software such as PGP should be widely available. The more people are experienced with this software the more likely they are to use and trust it. 25. Making software like PGP widely available means more than just making sure copies of it are accessible. It also means making it user-friendly enough. 26. Education is also required. I find that very few people really know about these issues. 27. 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Today at approximately 38 minutes after the market's close, LearnCom (otcbb: LRCM) issued a press release. Obviously, due to the late release the market as yet has not been able to react. The release has been excerpted below. Click here for the entire relase: LRCM BREAKING NEWS LearnCom Recaps its Strategy and Results CEO Provides Recap of Strategy and Progress. LearnCom CEO Lloyd Singer stated, ``Our goal is to become the major supplier of soft skills training resources and related services in the highly fractionated $60 billion training industry. The (company's) first acquisition in January, 1999 included the high quality video assets (several hundred titles) of WingsNet, Inc. and provided the foundation to get the business started. By midyear, '99 we were cash neutral on just $750,000 in sales and provided our backers with the confidence to fund further growth. 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Therefore we should get rid of them. :) -Declan On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 01:59:51AM +0000, Ian Goldberg wrote: > In article <20010606180712.D30820 at cluebot.com>, > Declan McCullagh wrote: > >With some very narrow exceptions, such as obscenity and child pornography, > >publishing information is not and should not be a crime. It may spark > >civil suits, but not criminal prosecutions. > > *cough* DMCA *cough* > > >Not that I'm biased, or anything. :) > > Nor I, of course. :-) The fact that I'm on a particular Usenix > Security Program Committee notwithstanding... > > - Ian From cab8 at censored.org Thu Jun 7 06:22:02 2001 From: cab8 at censored.org (Carol Braddock) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:22:02 -0400 Subject: New C-Punk Book from MIT In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010606093915.01d5b920@popserver.panix.com> Message-ID: Anywhere in NYC we can go rush out and get this wonderful prose mastery? Contributors (Some of the usual suspects) Richard Barbrook, John Perry Barlow, William E. Baugh Jr., David S. Bennahum, Hakim Bey, David Brin, Andy Cameron, Dorothy E. Denning, Mark Dery, Kevin Doyle, Duncan Frissell, Eric Hughes, Karrie Jacobs, David Johnson, Peter Ludlow, Timothy C. May, Jennifer L. Mnookin, Nathan Newman, David G. Post... From declan at well.com Thu Jun 7 06:22:45 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:22:45 -0400 Subject: Incompetent posts by fool at prison.net In-Reply-To: ; from sandfort@mindspring.com on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 07:44:15PM -0700 References: <3B1EE6C8.D47308A9@prison.net> Message-ID: <20010607092245.B1528@cluebot.com> When preparing text to send out to Politech, I usually use lynx to grab it from web sites. Seems to work nicely. -Declan On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 07:44:15PM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > Tim McVeigh wrote: > > > Please tell me, in my time remaining, > > how to copy text from latimes.com > > (without sending html) and I will > > learn. > > What's wrong with just highlighting the text, copying it and pasting it in > your e-mail? > > I just grabbed the following from latimes.com; let's see if it zig zags: > > "The federal judge in the Oklahoma City bombing case says newly released > documents do not change the fact that Timothy McVeigh is guilty." > > > S a n d y From jya at pipeline.com Thu Jun 7 09:31:05 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:31:05 -0700 Subject: Women Code Warriors Message-ID: <200106071332.JAA24488@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> In Code: a Mathematical Journey, Sarah Flannery with David Flannery, Workman Publishing, New York, 2001 http://www.workman.com/ "Sarah Flannery is a fun, sports-loving teenager from County Cork, Ireland. She also happens to be an award-winning mathematician whose discoveries in Internet cryptography have garnered international acclaim. Both the story of Sarah's mathematical development and her own self-discovery, In Code is a warm, inspiring look at how she, equipped with a burning curiosity and the active support of her family, became a leading mathematician at the age of 16." Read Chapter 2 online: http://www.workman.com/recommend/incode.html See also story in June 7 New York Times on "women code warriors:" Sarah, Flannery, Carole Fennelly, Jude Milhon and Blueberry: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/07/technology/07WOME.html From roy at scytale.com Thu Jun 7 07:47:59 2001 From: roy at scytale.com (Roy M. Silvernail) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:47:59 -0500 Subject: MS adds their two bits to the credentialing of America Message-ID: <3B1F4DCF.5517.55F07A@localhost> Interesting piece on CNET: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-201-6208902-0.html?tag=tp_pr A telling highlight: > Analysts said Microsoft views instant messaging--a key element of > Windows Messenger--as glue for its new Internet services such as > Passport and HailStorm. Such services promise to simplify Web surfing > by giving people a single online identity and providing secure access > to personal information such as credit card numbers with one click. It's that "single online identity" part that chafes me. A pretty clear anti-nymity bias, as MS forges ahead in tying ones online presence irrevocably to their meatspace identity. -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com roy at scytale.com From declan at well.com Thu Jun 7 06:49:47 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:49:47 -0400 Subject: "The People's Genome Celebration" Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010607094936.00a83920@mail.well.com> News conference on the eve of the People's Genome Celebration to announce a new effort to pass legislation banning genetic discrimination in the work place and in health insurance. Participants: Sen. Thomas Daschle, D-S.D.; Rep. Louise McIntosh Slaughter, D-N.Y.; Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn.; Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, chairman, Agriculture Committee=; Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.;Rep. Constance Morella, R-Md.; Dr. Francis Collins, director,National Human Genome Research Institute and David Escher, alleged target of genetic discrimination at the Burlington Northern and Santa Fe Railway Company Location: S-211, U.S. Capitol. 10 a.m. Contact: Molly Rowley, 202-224-2939 or Becky Bailey, 202-225-3615 From paul at robichaux.net Thu Jun 7 07:55:41 2001 From: paul at robichaux.net (Paul E. Robichaux) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:55:41 -0500 Subject: MS adds their two bits to the credentialing of America Message-ID: <163E38AD96AAC044B486CC084AEB0E1F01E8D1@tornado.robichaux.lo cal> I don't think that anti-nymity is a bias, it's just an unfortunate side effect. Most consumers want single sign-on. Microsoft wants to give it to them. If you don't like it, you can always get the same effect by using a nym and those nifty prepaid Amex cards you can buy at 7-11. -----Original Message----- From: Roy M. Silvernail [mailto:roy at scytale.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 9:48 AM To: Cypherpunks Subject: MS adds their two bits to the credentialing of America Interesting piece on CNET: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-201-6208902-0.html?tag=tp_pr A telling highlight: > Analysts said Microsoft views instant messaging--a key element of > Windows Messenger--as glue for its new Internet services such as > Passport and HailStorm. Such services promise to simplify Web surfing > by giving people a single online identity and providing secure access > to personal information such as credit card numbers with one click. It's that "single online identity" part that chafes me. A pretty clear anti-nymity bias, as MS forges ahead in tying ones online presence irrevocably to their meatspace identity. -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com roy at scytale.com From schear at lvcm.com Thu Jun 7 10:11:24 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 10:11:24 -0700 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010606202557.007fa6b0@pop.sprynet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010606121252.0364b358@pop3.lvcm.com> <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010607100826.0365eda0@pop3.lvcm.com> At 08:25 PM 6/6/2001 -0700, David Honig wrote: >At 12:27 PM 6/6/01 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: > >I'm aware of the FAA restrictions on rocket launching (although there > >doesn't appear to be curbs on development or static testing). Where can > >one find those related to biology? > >As far as I know, all the govt limits are controls on fed bucks >to researchers. No one stops you from private research yet. There are however practical restrictions on obtaining needed supplies and equipment. Try finding a laboratory reagent supplier willing to sell to other than an accredited research institution. steve From roy at scytale.com Thu Jun 7 08:28:06 2001 From: roy at scytale.com (Roy M. Silvernail) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:28:06 -0500 Subject: MS adds their two bits to the credentialing of America In-Reply-To: <163E38AD96AAC044B486CC084AEB0E1F01E8D1@tornado.robichaux.l o cal> Message-ID: <3B1F5736.9700.7A9D84@localhost> On 7 Jun 2001, at 9:55, Paul E. Robichaux wrote: > I don't think that anti-nymity is a bias, it's just an unfortunate > side effect. Most consumers want single sign-on. Microsoft wants to > give it to them. If you don't like it, you can always get the same > effect by using a nym and those nifty prepaid Amex cards you can buy > at 7-11. OK, I can buy that. But would it be wild speculation to predict that the online identity eventually gets tied to the Windows user login? This still doesn't prevent nymity (barring biometric logon and prevention of multiple accounts using the same biotoken, but I don't want to go too far afield), but it makes it less convenient. By the time J. Random Luser realizes he wants (needs?) to nymify, the barriers to entry are in place. The third 'E'. -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com roy at scytale.com From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Thu Jun 7 02:39:14 2001 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 10:39:14 +0100 Subject: THE NICE THING ABOUT THE NEWS FROM NEPAL... References: Message-ID: <3B1F4BC2.A6A6FFE2@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Sandy Sandfort wrote: > The nice thing about the news from Nepal is that it gives one the > opportunity to use the word "regicide" in conversation. Such a good word; > so few opportunities to use it. Indeed, and also "autoregicide". There are few opportunities for that. Apparently it is not the Done Thing in Nepal to accuse the king of any wrongdoing - in fact he has immunity from all prosecution or legal process. (Here in UK you can sue the monarch & it has happened now and again). So they were forced, when Dipendra (did I spell that right) way in intensive care but legally king to say he didn't do it because as king he could have done no wrong. There is a way out of their logical cleft stick. As prince (if we assume the initial reports are true, which of course we don't know) he was a murderer. He became king as soon as he had done the deed. As king he was the embodiment of justice and promptly executed the culprit, himself. Ken From paul at robichaux.net Thu Jun 7 08:42:07 2001 From: paul at robichaux.net (Paul E. Robichaux) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:42:07 -0500 Subject: MS adds their two bits to the credentialing of America Message-ID: <163E38AD96AAC044B486CC084AEB0E1F01E8D4@tornado.robichaux.lo cal> Login to what? I mean, sure, I have a login since I run my own W2K test lab at home, but J. Random won't be doing that. Since he can create as many personalities on his Windows XP Home or Pro boxes as he wants, he can create one for realworld use and one for his kewl 3l33t @ssMaSTr handle -----Original Message----- From: Roy M. Silvernail [mailto:roy at scytale.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:28 AM To: cypherpunks at lne.com Subject: RE: MS adds their two bits to the credentialing of America On 7 Jun 2001, at 9:55, Paul E. Robichaux wrote: > I don't think that anti-nymity is a bias, it's just an unfortunate > side effect. Most consumers want single sign-on. Microsoft wants to > give it to them. If you don't like it, you can always get the same > effect by using a nym and those nifty prepaid Amex cards you can buy > at 7-11. OK, I can buy that. But would it be wild speculation to predict that the online identity eventually gets tied to the Windows user login? This still doesn't prevent nymity (barring biometric logon and prevention of multiple accounts using the same biotoken, but I don't want to go too far afield), but it makes it less convenient. By the time J. Random Luser realizes he wants (needs?) to nymify, the barriers to entry are in place. The third 'E'. -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com roy at scytale.com From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Thu Jun 7 02:50:13 2001 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 10:50:13 +0100 Subject: Incompetent posts by fool at prison.net References: <3B1EE6C8.D47308A9@prison.net> Message-ID: <3B1F4E55.1F560011@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Tim McVeigh wrote: > >No one's going to read zig-zag posts, > >you're wasting your time. > > Please tell me, in my time remaining, how to copy text from latimes.com > (without sending > html) and I will learn. Meanwhile, be glad I'm not choating the list > with meaningless urls > and emptier comments. By using edit commands to "s/ / /" then word-wrapping it like this off-topic post quoted from latimes.com merely as an example (and for the silly Thatcher comment - she is so widely hated that Labour were putting her on their ads!): LONDON--Britons voted in bright sunshine on Thursday in an election that opinion polls forecast would make Prime Minister Tony Blair the first Labour leader to win two successive full terms of power. Polls predicted a landslide victory for Blair despite dire warnings from Conservative icon Margaret Thatcher that Britain was headed for an "elective dictatorship" if Blair was returned to office with another big majority. Some bookmakers even paid out on a Labour victory days before the 45 million electors started making their choice. Voting was to end at 10 p.m. (5 p.m. EDT) and the result was expected early on Friday. The bitter campaign debate over Britain's membership of the euro, opposed by the Conservatives, hung over election day. The pound buckled to its weakest levels against the dollar in 15 years as uncertainty swirled around Blair's intention to lead the country into European economic and monetary union. Sterling also fell to two-week lows against the euro for the second day running. Investors bet that a hefty majority for Labour would give the government a green light to join monetary union sooner rather than later. Analysts say sterling needs to be lower than current levels to join the euro, the currency of its main trading partners. Apathy was the big danger for Blair, who has pushed his party from the left wing toward the center of British politics while the Conservatives have edged further to the right. When Blair swept to power in 1997, the turnout was 71.5 percent -- the lowest figure since World War Two. BIG LABOUR MAJORITY FORECAST The latest polls forecast that Blair's majority in the 659-seat House of Commons would be bigger than the 179 he garnered in 1997 to end 18 years of Conservative rule. Blair's northern England constituency of Sedgefield was bathed in sunshine when voting began. Among the first to vote was 61-year-old William Maughan who said: "I voted for Tony because I have always voted Labour and he's trying to get the country on its feet. There are a lot of things to put right and you can't do it all at once." In the adjoining constituency of Richmond, ironically held by Conservative Party leader William Hague, the 30 voters who turned up in the first hour were outnumbered by the media awaiting Hague's arrival. Local milkman Colin Graham said: "If a pig was put up around here he would get in for the Conservatives. Nobody votes Labour. If they do, people think they are a bit odd." Hague fought a dogged campaign to "save the pound" and stop Britain adopting the euro -- but pollsters predicted the party of Thatcher and Winston Churchill, which dominated 20th century politics, could be heading for oblivion in the new millennium. There were forecasts that if the Conservatives did badly, Hague -- reported to have come within seconds of a mid-air collision in his campaign helicopter -- could be replaced. During the campaign, politicians were accused of fighting a lacklustre battle short on contact with "real people." John Prescott, Blair's portly and pugnacious deputy prime minister, provided the only spontaneous spark when he felled with a left jab a protester who hurled an egg at him. Blair and Hague sought to seduce the voters from diametrically opposed corners. Hague argued: "The battle lines are very clear. A re-elected Labour government, by hook or by crook, will scrap the pound." Blair, who has promised a referendum on the thorny currency issue within two years, retorted: "The issue of the euro is not the issue for this election." For the crucial swathe of middle-class voters in England, the burning issues were better schools, better hospitals and a better police force. As always, the economy was the big battleground and here Blair could play his trump card -- unemployment and inflation are at their lowest for a generation. Like former U.S. president Ronald Reagan, Blair has become a "Teflon leader," to whom bad news refuses to stick. He has maintained his popularity despite a popular revolt against fuel prices, severe flooding, a disastrous public transport network and a foot-and-mouth epidemic which delayed the election for a month. From sandfort at mindspring.com Thu Jun 7 11:00:12 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:00:12 -0700 Subject: FW: Nepal Message-ID: I got the following anonymous e-mail from A. Melon. > -----Original Message----- > From: A. Melon [mailto:juicy at melontraffickers.com] > Sent: 07 June, 2001 09:24 > To: sandfort at mindspring.com > Subject: Nepal > > > > I understand that Nepal might not seem like much of a big deal > but some of us knew the Royal Family. Still others of us knew > and LIKED the Royal Family. I am hardly the type to push > political correctness but your comment struck me to the heart. > Having watched your postings over the years I suppose that I > expected more from you, Sandy. Since A. Melon is hiding, I couldn't answer him/her directly. So I'll use this forum. Even assuming the writer's dubious claims, my question is, why? Why does the writer think my response was politically incorrect? Why was the writer struck to the heart? Why did the writer expect more from me? Perhaps the writer is injecting more into my simple post than was actually meant. Inquiring minds want to know. S a n d y From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Thu Jun 7 03:03:07 2001 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:03:07 +0100 Subject: The Credentialling of America References: <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> <3B1E54D9.F285AB90@lsil.com> <200106061727.NAA26370@smtp6.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3B1F515B.D3703870@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> John Young wrote: > Disclaimer: I'm a licensed professional, but not for anything ever > discussed here, What, never? Well, hardly ever... I hereby invalidate your claim for ever by moaning, off-topically, about the spread through England of supermarkets and shopping malls in neo-vernacular industrial yellow brick with colonnades of semi-circular arches and lots of exposed metalwork painted in primary colours, that look like a cross between an early C19 railway shed, a C5 Roman military stables and something you might knock up un a few minutes with a decent Lego set. Once they were pleasant to the eye, now they are a clichi. And also by asking if such things are ever seen in North America? (after all you aren't short of sub-Norman-Shaw large private houses and educational buildings & that is one of the origins of this consciously anti-contemporary style) Ken I-am-not-a-professional-I-am-a-working-man Brown :-) From George at Orwellian.Org Thu Jun 7 08:38:23 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Shot repeatedly in the back Message-ID: <200106071538.LAA00872@www2.aa.psiweb.com> [snipped] http://www.kcal.com/Global/story.asp?S=357692&nav=0Rz3 # # June 7, 2001 # # LOS ANGELES - Attorneys Johnnie Cochran and Cameron Steward Monday # announced the filing of a wrongful death complaint against the # city of Los Angeles and the LAPD arising out of the shooting # death of an actor at a Halloween party last year. # # The 39-year-old actor from Van Nuys was shot several times while # attending a Halloween party at a mansion in Benedict Canyon. # The police had been summoned by someone who complained of # excessive noise. # # "As the officers were walking along an exterior walkway, Officer # Hopper looked through a glass door and observed three individuals # inside a small room," according to a Los Angeles Police Department # statement. # # "When one of the individuals observed the officers, he suddenly # produced what appeared to be a handgun and pointed it directly # at Officer Hopper," the statement continued. "Officer Hopper, # in fear for his life, fired several rounds from his service # pistol, wounding the suspect." # # The coroner's report, obtained by the Los Angeles Times, found # Anthony Dwain Lee had been shot once in the back of the head # and three times in the back. # # The findings appeared to contradict the police department's quick # and confident defense of officer Tarriel Hopper, who was # dispatched to the late- night mansion party in Benedict Canyon # based on neighbors' noise complaints. # # LAPD Lt. Horace Frank told The Times the four shots to the back # "can be explained." But he said the explaining would be done # after the department has time to read the coroner's report. From George at Orwellian.Org Thu Jun 7 08:49:00 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The Credentialling of America Message-ID: <200106071549.LAA24191@www1.aa.psiweb.com> SS wrote: # So how come attachments get stripped from postings? Don't know, nor would I have seen it since my own mail setup doesn't bother downloading attachments. From JonathanW at gbgcorp.com Thu Jun 7 11:53:33 2001 From: JonathanW at gbgcorp.com (Jonathan Wienke) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:53:33 -0700 Subject: Automatic's Message-ID: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E067754@MISSERVER> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 They used I.M.I. Desert Eagles chambered for .50 Action Express. I have one in .44 Magnum, made in Israel, imported by Magnum Research, Inc. - -----Original Message----- From: Morris Allen [mailto:mallen at vidnet.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:02 PM To: cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com Subject: Automatic's Does anyone know what type of automatic handguns the agents used in the Matrix movie. Cal and etc.. thanks M. Allen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOx/NrRj6oMyeDxZoEQK2nQCgh4MWt3wesMxbWlA3s9moF4CcFqEAnR25 buNmmI8AZtu5/Rn82mF2zu8a =Se7n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1607 bytes Desc: not available URL: From declan at well.com Thu Jun 7 09:00:47 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 12:00:47 -0400 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: ; from sandfort@mindspring.com on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 08:05:38AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20010607120047.A4222@cluebot.com> Yeah, that was sort of annoying. Is it cyberpass.net that does it? Or lne.com (to which I'm subscribed)? -Declan On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 08:05:38AM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > So how come attachments get stripped from postings? The picture was cool. > > > S a n d y > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-cypherpunks at lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks at lne.com]On > > Behalf Of Sandy Sandfort > > Sent: 07 June, 2001 07:55 > > To: cypherpunks at cyberpass.net > > Subject: RE: The Credentialling of America > > > > > > "George" wrote: > > > > > My female bunnies have expressed an intense > > > sexual interest in meeting this person. > > > > How about the attached person? > > > > > > S a n d y > > > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had > > a name of GunnyBunny.jpg] From George at Orwellian.Org Thu Jun 7 09:07:29 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 12:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Will the real Slim Shady please shut up Message-ID: <200106071607.MAA08875@www6.aa.psiweb.com> What's the deal with the FCC fining (censoring) a Colorado radio station for playing the _censored_ version of one of his songs? http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,32248,00.html # # SHADY MOVES LEAD TO FINE FOR RADIO STATION # # A radio station in the US has been fined $7,000 for playing # EMINEM's 'THE REAL SLIM SHADY', even though the tune had been # edited for broadcast. # # The FCC (Federal Communications Commission) slapped the fine # on KKMG-FM of Colorado Springs because, it said, the station # had be censured despite the edit, because of the tone of the # tune. # # "The edited version of the song contains unmistakable offensive # sexual references. In this regard, portions of the lyrics contain # sexual references in conjunction with sexual expletives that # appear intended to pander and shock," they said in a statement. # # Two months ago, the FCC issued new guidelines to be used when # determining what is obscene and what is decent and made it clear # that innuendo was a factor, even if specific expletives were # missing. # # The fine has been roundly condemned. Hilary Rosen, chief of the # RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) told Variety # magazine that: "It would be a disgrace if the FCC were to impose # a violation on a radio station because they didn't like the # 'suggestive' nature of a song. That goes right to the heart of # idea-based censorship." # # A spokesperson for Citadel Communications, KKMG-FM's parent # company, said the fine set a dangerous precedent. # # "The danger involved is that folks at the station level can't # take comfort in the fact that something labelled 'radio edit # version' is in compliance with the FCC's rules," he said From vznuri at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 12:07:37 2001 From: vznuri at yahoo.com (V.Z. Nuri) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 12:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: hi/fresh NSA+echelon rant Message-ID: <20010607190737.42655.qmail@web12203.mail.yahoo.com> another hi to old cohorts. can echelon be exposed? can it be trounced? I'm looking for any old article by someone who lambastes the idea of a global data collection system as impossible, infeasible, etc. the more credible the author/outlet, the better. ideally a smug op-ed piece in some uptight mainstream newspaper etcetera. the idea is to get the most closeminded denunciation of the idea possible to show it in contrast with new information about echelon/carnivore/CIA datamining capabilities. useful propaganda. for your amusement. a fresh rant on the NSA, their role in blocking the RSA patent, and echelon.. and the idea of CIA/carnivore press info as diversionary tactics. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theory-edge/message/3180 stop by theory-edge if you want to talk about hard-core algorithms or mathematics. its a pretty civil environment. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theory-edge/ also.. you guys were all scratching your heads at the meeting when I brought up this subject many years ago..(haha yeah a little "spoofing") a little more on that.. "silent weapons for quiet wars".. what is the cypherpunk opinion on this one? would really like to get more supporting material on this. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theory-edge/message/3149 I am not on the list but will reply to emails. oh yeah, you guys may be vaguely curious as to what Ive been up to. here's a new htmlized group faq for theory-edge.. I suppose you can see why we may have had a few disagreements over philosophy.. also what I'm aiming for.. hope to add much more, barely just the beginning http://www.geocities.com/vznuri/faq.html * * * I noticed the cpunk archives go all the way back to 93 and further after an old post turned up in my google search. haha how delightful. hey TCM, old pal, you are still around here right? how about you join the cyberspace age.. just a little? how about a home page? and hey, you could start your own yahoo group too, easily. really, I wish you would do it. I'd probably watch it. consider the easy capability of throwing out anyone you think is a useless specimen. yahoo groups have a built in blocking mechanism. I've used it on two occasions already. the spam problem seems to be almost totally solved by just preventing nonsubscribers from posting. cyberspace has evolved a bit.. as you once said "let a thousand flowers bloom".. well they have =) http://groups.yahoo.com hey, I've also noticed something else re: tragedy of the commons problem. you can civilize people with the leverage of leading a mailing list and the blocking feature. the founder picks the atmosphere. if he's into stuff like "integrity" that others feel is impossible to impose, he can give it a shot in cultivating it... you can all decide to what degree Ive succeeded and whether the goals are worthwhile. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From rsw at MIT.EDU Thu Jun 7 09:27:52 2001 From: rsw at MIT.EDU (Riad S. Wahby) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 12:27:52 -0400 Subject: MS adds their two bits to the credentialing of America In-Reply-To: <3B1F5736.9700.7A9D84@localhost>; from roy@scytale.com on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:28:06AM -0500 References: <163E38AD96AAC044B486CC084AEB0E1F01E8D1@tornado.robichaux.l <3B1F5736.9700.7A9D84@localhost> Message-ID: <20010607122752.B15880@positron.mit.edu> "Roy M. Silvernail" wrote: > OK, I can buy that. But would it be wild speculation to predict that > the online identity eventually gets tied to the Windows user login? > This still doesn't prevent nymity (barring biometric logon and > prevention of multiple accounts using the same biotoken, but I don't > want to go too far afield), but it makes it less convenient. By the > time J. Random Luser realizes he wants (needs?) to nymify, the > barriers to entry are in place. The third 'E'. I'm not convinced that the intersection of the sets 'uses windows' and 'needs to nymify' (or, alternatively, 'cannot use (some other operating system)' and 'needs to nymify') is so great that this really matters. Even if it is, if the need is great enough even the steepest learning curve can begin to look pretty inviting. In other words, the answer at that point is not to use Windows. -- Riad Wahby rsw at mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105 From sandfort at mindspring.com Thu Jun 7 12:39:31 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 12:39:31 -0700 Subject: FW: RE: The Credentialling of America Message-ID: For those of you who didn't get the picture, Len Sassaman has kindly put it up at: http://sion.quickie.net/GunnyBunny.jpg > > > "George" wrote: > > > > > > > My female bunnies have expressed an intense > > > > sexual interest in meeting this person. > > > > > > How about the attached person? > > > > > > > > > S a n d y From Jim_Choate/Tivoli_Systems at us.ibm.com Thu Jun 7 11:12:47 2001 From: Jim_Choate/Tivoli_Systems at us.ibm.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 13:12:47 -0500 Subject: Isolationist tendencies and Urban Life Message-ID: http://www.Kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/6/5/163224/9146 From roy at scytale.com Thu Jun 7 11:15:50 2001 From: roy at scytale.com (Roy M. Silvernail) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 13:15:50 -0500 Subject: MS adds their two bits to the credentialing of America In-Reply-To: <20010607122752.B15880@positron.mit.edu> References: <3B1F5736.9700.7A9D84@localhost>; from roy@scytale.com on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:28:06AM -0500 Message-ID: <3B1F7E86.30074.1141EAA@localhost> On 7 Jun 2001, at 12:27, Riad S. Wahby wrote: > I'm not convinced that the intersection of the sets 'uses windows' and > 'needs to nymify' (or, alternatively, 'cannot use (some other > operating system)' and 'needs to nymify') is so great that this really > matters. Even if it is, if the need is great enough even the steepest > learning curve can begin to look pretty inviting. > > In other words, the answer at that point is not to use Windows. I agree, but both of us are possessed of some clue. It can be argued that nymity also benefits the non-techie, but this is the same audience that doesn't use PGP because it's too complicated (notwithstanding the Eudora and Outlook plugins). For the Linophobes, Windows is the only apparent choice. On second thought, perhaps this isn't the problem I had thought it to be. "Think of it as evolution in action." -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com roy at scytale.com From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Thu Jun 7 05:36:14 2001 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:36:14 +0100 Subject: THE NICE THING ABOUT THE NEWS FROM NEPAL... References: <3B1F71B5.3D92EA24@prison.net> Message-ID: <3B1F753E.15872599@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Tim McVeigh wrote: > > At 02:14 PM 6/6/01 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > >The nice thing about the news from Nepal is that it gives one the > >opportunity to use the word "regicide" in conversation. Such a good > word; > >so few opportunities to use it. > > Supposedly the little prince had been drinking. > > Does Jenna have access to firearms? She should come to Britain to finish here college education (along with Chelsea Clinton) where the idea that the police or the courts should prevent a woman of her age from drinking beer or wine would be seen as absurd. Ken From sandfort at mindspring.com Thu Jun 7 14:31:23 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:31:23 -0700 Subject: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anonymous wrote: > I, for one, enjoy JYA postings. > It takes some intelligence to > twist the tongue in the right > way and also to understand the > implied. It also takes some intelligence to write clearly and concisely. "So what?" in either case. If you're PERSONAL preference is intellectual obscurantism, more power to you. But the Cypherpunks list is about getting things done more than it's about cutesy vanity. > It is called "language", and > although 200-word pigeon english > seems to be the standard these > days, it doesnt mean that there > are no sentient beings around > that do not feel obliged to run > the speech center in "lite" mode. I'm a wordsmith by trade. People pay me to put words in a row. When you can get that sort of real-world praise for your writing, then I might be more inclined to listen to your whining. > You seem to exhibit standard > american "culture" conditioning > that denigrates everything which > is not immediately understandable > by complete idiots. And perhaps you are just projecting. The audience I was talking about is the Cypherpunks list--a long way from "complete idiots." I relish beautiful, expressive language. That's not the same thing as intentionally, self-indulgent, narcissistic obfuscation. You seem to be stuck in some elitist artsy-fartsy mode where the more rococo and Byzantine the language, the more you praise it. > Like genital action, for example. > I understand that that is your > expertise. Why thank you! (Just ONE of my areas of expertise, of course.) Now you can go back to playing with yourself, which I understand is YOUR expertise. :-D S a n d y From BigDick at Legion.com Thu Jun 7 11:51:02 2001 From: BigDick at Legion.com (Biggus Dickus) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: A message from Biggus Dickus Message-ID: <200106071851.OAA29859@strweb1-04.websys.aol.com> Hello Cypherpunks, Biggus Dickus thought you would be interested in this article from TIME.com: TIME.com: -- Why G-Men Need IT Professionals http://www.time.com/time/columnist/article/0,9565,129516,00.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- For more stories, visit TIME.com: http://www.time.com From remailer at xganon.com Thu Jun 7 13:03:23 2001 From: remailer at xganon.com (Anonymous) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:03:23 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: >Thats easy. If ones purpose is to communicate to a given audience, it is >the responsibility of the communicator to find the words, images or whatever >that will have meaning to most members of that audience. This is not TV, Sandy. Or a public school, or politically correct town meeting. I, for one, enjoy JYA postings. It takes some intelligence to twist the tongue in the right way and also to understand the implied. It is fun, since thought process is revealed and much more info conveyed. It is called "language", and although 200-word pigeon english seems to be the standard these days, it doesnt mean that there are no sentient beings around that do not feel obliged to run the speech center in "lite" mode. Dont look around. Spontaneous group leering will not help you. Perhaps this is too complicated for you. Let me simplify: Even if "everyone" programs in visual basic, there is still beauty, style and efficiency to be done in C or assembly. And there are things which cannot be done in VB. You seem to exhibit standard american "culture" conditioning that denigrates everything which is not immediately understandable by complete idiots. Like genital action, for example. I understand that that is your expertise. From George at Orwellian.Org Thu Jun 7 12:19:01 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Global Name Registry Hopes To Score Big With '.Name' Message-ID: <200106071919.PAA17928@www8.aa.psiweb.com> Excerpt: # GNR is billing ".name" as more than a Web address. Along with # technology partners such as New York-based Speednames Inc. and # International Business Machines Corp., the U.K. company hopes # to transform .name addresses into a multipurpose "digital # identity" that can also serve as an e-mail address, cellphone # number and even an electronic credit card. # # Instead of typing in a credit card number, customers could simply # provide their ".name" address, and merchants would then be able # to retrieve the financial information from a secure server hosted # by a bank or other "trusted" institution, the company says. ---- http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB991855694886302396.htm # # June 7, 2001 # # Global Name Registry Hopes To Score Big With '.Name' # # By BUSTER KANTROW Dow Jones Newswires # # STOCKHOLM -- What's in a .name? # # For Britain's Global Name Registry Ltd., the hope is, a lot. # The London-based start-up is the global administrator for ".name," # one of the new top-level Internet domain names to be introduced # this year. # # As the gatekeeper for the entire domain, GNR will begin # distributing ".name" addresses this autumn, collecting a $5.25 # (6.16 euros) wholesale registration fee and a similar annual # renewal fee for each one it hands out. # # The company also plans to provide more than just a name. It hopes # to transform the .name addresses into a multipurpose tool that # can receive e-mail or serve as a virtual credit card. # # It's a formula that could pay off in millions or even billions # of dollars in annual revenue, if demand for ".name" Internet # suffixes takes off. # # "People have an emotional affinity for their names," said GNR's # chief executive, Andrew Tsai, in a recent interview. "Clearly, # Icann picked a space where they thought millions and millions # of people wanted addresses." # # New Competition Ahead # # Originally a spinoff of Norway's Nameplanet.com, which operates # a free Web-based, e-mail service, GNR beat dozens of other # applicants to the Internet Corp. for Assigned Names and Numbers, # or Icann, the U.S.-based agency that manages the Internet-address # system. The would-be registries included such familiar names # as Finland's Nokia Corp. and Lycos Inc. # # The new top-level domains -- which include ".biz," ".info" and # ".museum" -- are intended to create new competition in the # domain-name space, which has been dominated by California-based # VeriSign Inc., central administrator of the ubiquitous ".com" # suffix. # # VeriSign's control of the ".com" suffix was recently extended # by Icann, despite criticism from the Internet community, where # there has been some resentment of the company's monopoly position. # VeriSign has agreed to relinquish control of the ".org" and ".net" # suffixes. # # Mr. Tsai, formerly president of Urbanfetch Ltd., said he thought # the initial demand for the new domains would be strongest in # North America. But he said registrars, who act as middlemen # between the U.K. company and individual customers, are also # reporting strong interest in the ".name" domain from China, Korea # and other parts of Southeast Asia. # # "The opportunities are mind-boggling, but this is a very, very # challenging discipline, to set up a registry," he said. "We # consider ourselves a technology infrastructure company, and we # don't take for granted the challenges of implementing this # business plan." # # GNR's backers include Carlyle Europe Venture Partners LP, # Northzone Ventures AS and Four Seasons Venture AS. # # With the lucrative ".name" registry in hand, it is Nameplanet # that is now the subsidiary of GNR. "The student has become the # teacher," says Mr. Tsai. # # GNR is billing ".name" as more than a Web address. Along with # technology partners such as New York-based Speednames Inc. and # International Business Machines Corp., the U.K. company hopes # to transform .name addresses into a multipurpose "digital # identity" that can also serve as an e-mail address, cellphone # number and even an electronic credit card. # # Instead of typing in a credit card number, customers could simply # provide their ".name" address, and merchants would then be able # to retrieve the financial information from a secure server hosted # by a bank or other "trusted" institution, the company says. # # Such value-added services are expected to provide an additional # revenue stream for GNR, as well as for the registrars. # # "There is no other domain out there currently that has any # functionality," says Mr. Tsai. # # GNR moved a step closer to launching the new addresses over the # weekend here, as Icann set a deadline of June 30 for giving final, # formal approval to the new domain. # # Manifest Destiny # # Once the approval is secured, GNR will begin handing out names # to around 80 registrars around the world, who will sell them # to individuals, Mr. Tsai said. # # The addresses will be registered with two dots (i.e., # joseph.smith.name) in order to maximize the potential # combinations, and will be introduced in phases. # # The new addresses are reserved for individuals. But companies # and others will first have an opportunity to ask that addresses # related to their trademarks be removed from the database. # # GNR will then launch a series of two-week "land rushes" when # registrars may submit lists of requested addresses. If two # individuals request the same address, one of the two will be # randomly chosen, Mr. Tsai said. # # The first names should be available to individuals by early # autumn, the company said. # # GNR says there will be five to 10 land rushes, then names will # be handed out as requested. Registrars are expected to sell the # addresses for $20 to $35 annually -- roughly what a ".com" address # costs now, Mr. Tsai said. From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Thu Jun 7 10:03:57 2001 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:03:57 +0100 Subject: Will the real Slim Shady please shut up References: <200106071607.MAA08875@www6.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <3B1FB3FD.550783A1@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > > What's the deal with the FCC fining (censoring) a Colorado radio > station for playing the _censored_ version of one of his songs? Clue me in here chaps - what's the deal with anyone censoring anything at all? You guys are always telling us that your nth amendment guarantees freedom of speech unlike us poor benighted eurosheep. If you now tell me that freedom of speech doesn't actually apply on commercial radio... No wonder so many foreigners listen to the BBC World Service. If you are going to have government-censored radio and thinly veiled propaganda you might as well have *good* government-censored radio and thinly veiled propaganda. Ken From aluger at hushmail.com Thu Jun 7 19:22:32 2001 From: aluger at hushmail.com (aluger at hushmail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 18:22:32 -0800 (PDT) Subject: The Credentialling of America Message-ID: <200106080122.SAA28275@user1.hushmail.com> At Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:58:27 -0700, John Young wrote: >by someone who embraced without shame the way the >masters of writing write, the way the writing manuals >recommend, and recommend as nauseum, purest banal. You meant "ad nauseum." No? ;) Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com From sandfort at mindspring.com Thu Jun 7 18:28:18 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 18:28:18 -0700 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: <200106080059.UAA29058@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: John wrote: > Many years ago I explained that I, > like Sandy, write explicitly for > money, as much as possible, and > the people who pay me expect that > I will do whatever text can do to > get readers to obey those who pay > for the text. Well luckily, unlike John, I've never had to whore myself when I wrote. I wrote what I thought and they published it. I can see why someone who allowed himself to do that might wish to reassert his manhood by battling his own inner policeman. If that works for John, so be it. I shall continue to write clearly so that my ideas will be communicated. That does not necessarily mean that it will be grammatically correct, boring or uninspired--just meaningful. > And to never write the way poets > do, oddballs do, gibbering idiots > do, for that will allegedly > diminish the value of your writing > the way the payers want you to > write, that is to write as if their > and your shit don't smell, your and > their skin is hued the preferred > color, our accent the dominant > unaccent of the day, you and they > don't copulate the wrong kind of > people, you and they have no faults > to hide, you and they have no guts > to face up to your inability to > break away from hiding behind > conformity not of your making. Sounds like a personal problem to me, John. I never had to do any of that (nor would I). Why did you? > Shit, I understand Sandy all too > well. And totally admire his talent > to blow prefabricated sunshine > where it's needed. John, have you actually read any of my stuff? Please point to some of my "prefabricated sunshine." If I really do it, I should know it so I can capitalize on it. :-D > Even so I won't do what the > grammatically correct crowd > never cease trying to impose > here. John, you know, I know and most folks on this list know, I never argued for grammatical correctness. I DO favor comprehensibility. Don't you think it's a cheap shot to trivializes real concerns about communication by mischaracterizing critics as grammar cops? > Or to say it my way, correct writing, > clear writing, comprehensively > coherent writing, is just another > way to tyrannize, bully, hector... "War is peace" How Orwellian... > This is a friendly joke, as ever, > in respect for the asshole > language rules-makers here. (Spit) You know, John, there aren't any rules-makers on Cypherpunks. You can write all the gobbledygook you want; no one will stop you. By the same token, though, anyone here is free to point out that the emperor has no clothes. S a n d y From sandfort at mindspring.com Thu Jun 7 18:33:04 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 18:33:04 -0700 Subject: In-Reply-To: <3B202966.7E6B12C4@ameritech.net> Message-ID: Harmon Seaver wrote: > Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > > I'm a wordsmith by trade. People pay me to put words in a row. > > And what do we call a "wordsmith" that doesn't like poetry? See: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.06/spirit.brush.html S a n d y From George at Orwellian.Org Thu Jun 7 16:27:48 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Eco-Terrorist Attacks Prompt Federal Action Message-ID: <200106072327.TAA04315@www3.aa.psiweb.com> [snipped] http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,26682,00.html # # "It's just a matter of time before somebody dies or is seriously # injured," said U.S. Rep. George Nethercutt, R-Wash., a sponsor # of the federal bill. "We have to get ahead of it." # # Nethercutt wants to expand the current legislation to protect # plant lab research in addition to animal research. # # He's proposing to increase the penalties for terrorism directed # against scientists. Choatian Quacks will still be fair game? From hseaver at ameritech.net Thu Jun 7 18:24:55 2001 From: hseaver at ameritech.net (Harmon Seaver) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:24:55 -0500 Subject: References: Message-ID: <3B202966.7E6B12C4@ameritech.net> Sandy Sandfort wrote: > I'm a wordsmith by trade. People pay me to put words in a row. And what do we call a "wordsmith" that doesn't like poetry? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver at cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver at ameritech.net From honig at sprynet.com Thu Jun 7 20:42:53 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:42:53 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E067754@MISSERVER> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> At 11:53 AM 6/7/01 -0700, Jonathan Wienke wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >They used I.M.I. Desert Eagles chambered for .50 Action Express. I >have one in .44 Magnum, made in Israel, imported by Magnum Research, >Inc. Those are typical Hollywood guns, largely impractical. Cool looking, certainly. Now a Barrett in .50... From tmcv at prison.net Thu Jun 7 20:51:54 2001 From: tmcv at prison.net (Tim McVeigh) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:51:54 -0700 Subject: And what do we call a "wordsmith" Message-ID: <3B204BDA.65998488@prison.net> At 08:24 PM 6/7/01 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: >Sandy Sandfort wrote: > >> I'm a wordsmith by trade. People pay me to put words in a row. > > And what do we call a "wordsmith" that doesn't like poetry? > Lawyer. There's been a recent influx of such, or so they claim. From jya at pipeline.com Thu Jun 7 20:58:27 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:58:27 -0700 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: References: <200106070825.EAA14504@www3.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <200106080059.UAA29058@johnson.mail.mindspring.net> Many years ago I explained that I, like Sandy, write explicitly for money, as much as possible, and the people who pay me expect that I will do whatever text can do to get readers to obey those who pay for the text. One method for this is to write clearly in the most authoritarian language of the day, the most grammatically correct, the most literate, the most accepted as being the proper way to write in an unmarked, unidiosyncratic way, the most likely to have been written by someone who embraced without shame the way the masters of writing write, the way the writing manuals recommend, and recommend as nauseum, purest banal. And to never write the way poets do, oddballs do, gibbering idiots do, for that will allegedly diminish the value of your writing the way the payers want you to write, that is to write as if their and your shit don't smell, your and their skin is hued the preferred color, our accent the dominant unaccent of the day, you and they don't copulate the wrong kind of people, you and they have no faults to hide, you and they have no guts to face up to your inability to break away from hiding behind conformity not of your making. Shit, I understand Sandy all too well. And totally admire his talent to blow prefabricated sunshine where it's needed. Even so I won't do what the grammatically correct crowd never cease trying to impose here. Fuck them as one of them has said often here when he's tired of explaining why he won't do what some assholes keep demanding. Or to say it my way, correct writing, clear writing, comprehensively coherent writing, is just another way to tyrannize, bully, hector and obscure jive-ass agendas, though those who do it don't always own up to , or not admit the arousal it gives them to be part of a me-too maleducated mob. This is a friendly joke, as ever, in respect for the asshole language rules-makers here. 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From morlockelloi at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 22:59:17 2001 From: morlockelloi at yahoo.com (Morlock Elloi) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 22:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Credentialling of America Message-ID: <20010608055917.55314.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> >And to never write the way poets do, oddballs do, gibbering >idiots do, for that will allegedly diminish the value of your >writing the way the payers want you to write, that is to The language is extremely powerful. Many do not realise that, so, to follow anon's analogy, VB-heads keep on droning correctly, and cannot even think outside microsoft-sponsored visual basic. For them it is the blessed and only way for their fucked audience to "understand" (and compiler to compile). They look down to snippets of machine code, which they cannot write, because for them the writing is equal to scripting microsoft's interpreter. I bet that many deny the very existance of assembly programs. But machine instructions can be really dangerous, they can fuck up the brain with new associations and synapses, and do things which VB-ers cannot dream of, literally. For writing VB-shit by pathetic "wordsmiths" is not really writing at all. It is just symbolic xeroxing of master's 5 commandments in 17 prescribed shades. Nothing can be said in VB, really. If we had "they live" sunglasses while reading the correct shit, the five words would be all that can be seen - Obey, obey, obey, obey, obey. JYA, write while you can, because soon what VB flags as syntax error will be illegal, pornographic, pedofillic. --- another thread > grammatical correctness. I DO favor comprehensibility. Don't you think You are deluding yourself if you think that your notion of "comprehensibility" is somehow universally shared and agreed upon. That is, outside windoze 2000. And preaching official standards is outright tasteless. This is a self-contradictory statement, of course. And that one also. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu Thu Jun 7 16:00:01 2001 From: mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu (lcs Mixmaster Remailer) Date: 7 Jun 2001 23:00:01 -0000 Subject: Marking: A Privacy Protecting Approach Against Blackmailing Message-ID: <20010607230001.17701.qmail@nym.alias.net> http://www.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/GK/participants/kuegler/pkc01_marking.ps: Marking: A Privacy Protecting Approach Against Blackmailing Dennis Kuegler and Holger Vogt Blind signature based anonymous payment systems [Cha83] have been invented for privacy protecting payments over the internet. However, it was discovered by von Solms and Naccache [vSN92] that unconditional anonymity may be misused by criminals: A blackmailer can exploit the properties of the used blind signature to receive blackmailed money from his victim so that neither the victim nor the bank are able to recognize the blackmailed coins later. Furthermore, the blackmailed coins can be transferred anonymously via an unobservable broadcast channel (e.g. a newsgroup). This attack is called the perfect crime, as it is impossible to identify or trace the blackmailer. To solve anonymity related problems as blackmailing, money laundering, or illegal purchases, payment systems with revokable anonymity have been proposed [CMS96, JY96, FTY96, JY97]. In these payment systems trusted third parties are able to revoke the anonymity of the users at any time. In our opinion blackmailing is the most serious drawback of the known payment systems offering unconditional anonymity. Attacks like money laundering and illegal purchases aren't a major problem in anonymous electronic payment systems, as these problems are even worse with physical cash [Fro96], because in anonymous electronic payment systems the bank always knows how much a customer withdraws and how much a person deposits. Thus the bank is able to detect either the initiator or the recipient of a suspicious transaction. In this paper we will show how to fight blackmailing without restricting the anonymity of users as it is done in systems with revokable anonymity. We present a new online payment scheme, which offers unconditional anonymity, but does not suffer from the blackmailing attack described above. From iang at abraham.cs.berkeley.edu Thu Jun 7 16:56:13 2001 From: iang at abraham.cs.berkeley.edu (Ian Goldberg) Date: 7 Jun 2001 23:56:13 GMT Subject: Eco-Terrorist Attacks Prompt Federal Action References: <200106072327.TAA04315@www3.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <9fp4at$kkr$1@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> In article <200106072327.TAA04315 at www3.aa.psiweb.com>, wrote: ># He's proposing to increase the penalties for terrorism directed ># against scientists. Cool. Now all we need is that "is-a-scientist" credential from that other thread... - Ian "How about increased penalties for frivolous lawsuits directed against scientists?" From junta at giganda.komkon.org Thu Jun 7 23:29:42 2001 From: junta at giganda.komkon.org (Grisha Golberg) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 02:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Enquiry In-Reply-To: <003701c0efd7$a0193eb0$83360cc4@vsofti.stph.net> Message-ID: > Can anyone tell me how to do so ? Yes. From freematt at coil.com Fri Jun 8 00:09:49 2001 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 03:09:49 -0400 Subject: Independent Libraries in Cuba Defy Government's Lock on Information Message-ID: http://chronicle.com/weekly/v47/i39/39a04001.htm Independent Libraries in Cuba Defy Government's Lock on Information The movement faces poverty and repression as it collects books from the outside world By MARION LLOYD San Juan y Martínez, Cuba The smattering of Catholic journals, poetry books, and yellowed Newsweeks that make up Valentin Almiral's provincial library seem an unlikely catalyst for revolution. But in a country where the government wields nearly absolute control over information, the former biology teacher's private collection represents a significant challenge to state authority. Mr. Almiral's Love, Peace, Democracy, and Freedom Library, housed in a concrete shack on the outskirts of this tobacco-growing town in western Cuba, is one of dozens of independent libraries that have opened in Cuba over the past three years to give scholars and other Cubans access to books that they can't always obtain elsewhere. Most of the libraries are little more than a bookshelf in the back room of somebody's home. But their content -- ranging from light fiction, like detective novels, to hard-core anti-Communist treatises -- and the long list of dissidents involved in the movement have made the Cuban government uncomfortable. "It's hard not to have the feeling that these people are conspiring with a superpower that has been plotting against Cuba for more than 40 years," says Eliades Acosta, the director of the state-run National Library, referring to the United States. He notes that the vast majority of the independent librarians are active members of opposition political parties. In addition, he says, many openly receive money from Miami-based exile groups to support their dissident activities, as well as help in coordinating book donations. The movement's founders, Berta Mexidor and Ramon Colas, deny that they have political motives, but acknowledge that the U.S. government helps the libraries with book donations. Both Ms. Mexidor and Mr. Colas, who are married, used to be professors. They say they are merely trying to supplement the offerings at state-run libraries, which have few texts critical of Communism. Scholars who want access to controversial texts at those libraries must be affiliated with a university and get written permission from administrators in their department, according to diplomatic sources and academics who spoke on condition of anonymity. Access to controversial books is further restricted by the university-admissions process. In order to be admitted to a university, students must prove that they have not been active in any dissident movement -- a requirement that screens out many Cubans interested in such books. New books of any kind have been hard to come by since the collapse of the Soviet Union, in 1991, which deprived Cuba of its main supplier of textbooks and paper. "The latest books don't make it into the country," says Noedis Pita, an engineering student at the Jose Antonio Echeverria Polytechnic Institute, on the outskirts of Havana. Although the university -- like the University of Havana -- has an extensive main library and separate libraries in each department, she says her professors had to request copies of newer texts and then make photocopies of selected passages for their students. She studies at central Havana's century-old Masonic Library, which has an impressive stock of 36,000 books, but most date to before the 1959 Cuban revolution. Ms. Pita says censorship does not tend to inhibit the study of engineering, but friends in political science complain about their lack of access to books on subjects such as capitalist theory. "Many of the books are there, but only certain students can get access," she says. Students skirt the problem by requesting books from family members abroad. Then, if the books somehow slip by the censors who inspect incoming packages, the students circulate them secretly. Ms. Mexidor, who used to teach economics at the University of Las Tunas, in eastern Cuba, says that what the independent librarians want is freedom from censorship, so "ideology doesn't define what a person can read." She and Mr. Colas say they got the idea for the independent libraries from a remark Fidel Castro made in February 1998, during an international book fair. The Cuban president insisted that "there are no banned books in Cuba, just no money to buy them." The couple took those words at face value and began soliciting book donations from Latin America, Europe, and the United States. Today, they say, more than 80 such libraries operate around the island, with new ones opening almost weekly. In the process, however, the movement has attracted attention from the government, always a risky proposition. Soon after the couple opened the first library in their home, in March 1998, Mr. Colas, a former psychology professor, was fired from his job as director of a psychiatric hospital in Las Tunas. The couple were later evicted from their state-run housing in Las Tunas and sent to live on a nearby government farm -- a move that shut down their library. They later moved in with Ms. Mexidor's family, in Amancio, a farming town 60 miles from Las Tunas. Their story is typical of the other independent librarians, most of whom are academics or journalists who were fired from government jobs after becoming involved in opposition politics. In the past year, the police have detained half a dozen independent librarians, according to reports by the independent CubaNet news service and Amnesty International, and supporters say at least a dozen more have been threatened and harassed. In December, Julia Cecilia Delgado, a librarian and president of the Association for the Recovery of Human Values, a human-rights group, was sentenced to one year in jail for "disrespect," in what supporters assert is punishment for opening a library in her Havana home. In mid-March, five men said to belong to the government's Rapid Response brigades -- groups of young Communist Party activists who investigate "counterrevolutionaries" -- attacked Mr. Almiral's library here in San Juan y Martinez, ransacked the bookshelves, and beat up several patrons. After Mr. Almiral complained to the police, he says, the men returned the next night and threw sacks of excrement on the walls of the shack. Following appeals from independent librarians, the International Federation of Library Associations sent a delegation to Cuba in June 1999 to investigate the alleged human-rights abuses. In a September 1999 letter to President Castro, the organization concluded that "the Cuba government has responded to the independent libraries with a campaign of threats, intimidation, detentions, evictions ... and has deprived these people of their jobs." The letter urged Mr. Castro to respect freedom of information and freedom of expression, which it described as "the right of citizens in all countries of the world." Cuban-government officials say they have no knowledge of any attacks on independent libraries. They also deny any connection between the arrests and the library movement. But they are keenly aware of the movement's potential to attract unwanted international attention. "We're in the presence of a carefully disguised campaign, which has a big appeal in the world today under the guise of free access to information," says Mr. Acosta, the National Library director. He charges that the movement is based on the false pretense that certain books are unavailable at state libraries. "I challenge you to find a book on [the independent libraries'] shelves that I don't stock," he says. Critics note that even if a book is listed in the National Library's catalog, that does not mean it is available to the public. A Cuban college student who recently requested a copy of a novel by the exiled writer Guillermo Cabrera Infante was refused by the librarian, who said the book was "counterrevolutionary." George Orwell's classic anti-authoritarian novel 1984 is not listed in the library's card catalog. Mr. Acosta blames a budget crunch for the absence of certain books, saying that with limited funds he chooses to stock only those texts that "contribute to upholding the moral fabric of the Cuban state." He also justifies the need to restrict access to anti-Communist texts by saying, "We are in the midst of a war [with the United States]. These are not normal times." The debate over whether the U.S. trade embargo warrants the Cuban government's clampdown on information was the subject of an article in the April issue of American Libraries, the magazine of the American Library Association. The article took the form of a debate between Robert Kent, a humanities reference librarian at the New York Public Library and a leading advocate of the independent libraries, and Ann Sparanese, a librarian at the Englewood Public Library, in New Jersey, and a member of the library association's Social Responsibilities Round Table. Ms. Sparanese defended the Cuban government's position, arguing that the independent librarians were more interested in waging politics than in promoting reading. "This is not about libraries; it's not even about intellectual freedom," she argued, adding that none of the people involved in the movement were trained librarians. She also challenged Mr. Kent's assertion that book censorship is commonplace in Cuba, noting that the government did not confiscate any of the 4,000 books recently delivered to the island by Jarrett T. Barrios, a Democratic lawmaker in Massachusetts. Mr. Barrios notes, however, that most of the January shipment comprised children's books and medical texts with no political content. He says he was not aware of the independent libraries before his trip. But by going through official channels, he says, he ensured that the books would reach the widest audience. "We have strong feelings about politics, but we also want to encourage democracy from within," he says. U.S. officials in Cuba take a different view. The U.S. Interests Section in Havana, the only official representative of the U.S. government in Cuba, has actively supported the independent libraries, which officials say will broaden Cubans' knowledge of the outside world and help prepare them for life after Mr. Castro. The office makes monthly book deliveries to independent libraries around the island and weekly deliveries in the capital. The Martin Luther King II Library, an other independent library in San Juan y Martinez, recently received a shipment that included Tom Sawyer and a set of how-to texts on raising children. Alina Alvarez, the librarian, says she has since requested English-language primers and American-history texts. The books are in high demand in a country where nearly everyone either is planning to emigrate to the United States or is receiving money from relatives already there. The U.S. Interests Section also distributes books -- including Orwell's Animal Farm; The Power of the Powerless, by the president of the Czech Republic, Vaclav Havel; and politically neutral textbooks -- to 1,200 people throughout the country. Many of the recipients are Cuban-government officials hungry for outside information, according to a diplomat who spoke on condition of anonymity. Within its guarded compound, the U.S. office has also started offering free Internet access to a select group of Cuban dissidents. In Cuba, only government officials and academics usually have access to the Internet, and then only to certain sites. Still, the founders of the library movement say the bulk of their support comes from private contributors, not the U.S. government. Mr. Cabrera Infante, a former Cuban diplomat and winner of Spain's prestigious Cervantes literary award, helps coordinate donations from his home in London. The movement has also caught the attention of several delegates to the European Union, who have proposed shipping books en masse to the independent libraries. "We never expected the project to take off like this," says Mr. Colas. "But we have one big advantage. The project is concrete, and you can see the results, the books." The librarians complain that many books sent from abroad never make it past Cuban customs officials, who are charged with confiscating any material deemed a threat to the state. Francisco Perez Delgado, the son of Ms. Delgado, the jailed librarian, shows a half-empty box of books that arrived recently from Miami. He says the family received a notice from the government outlining which books it had confiscated as "counterrevolutionary." Most of them involved political theory. But other books manage to slip past the censors. His mother's library -- sitting on sagging wood shelves in the front room of the family's dingy, three-room Havana house -- includes titles like The End of an Era in Havana: In Whose Name Can a Revolution Cheat a People?, an anti-Communist tract by a pair of French journalists; On Liberty: The Voice of the Church in Cuba: 100 Epistolary Documents, by Friedrich A. Hagel; and the standard collection of poems by Jose Marti, Cuba's idolized martyr. The eclectic collection is typical of the independent libraries, which their directors insist are primarily designed to offer literary options, not to indoctrinate. They also note that not all of the independent libraries stock controversial books. The Martin Luther King II Library is one such example. "We don't have anything here that's banned," says Ms. Alvarez, whose husband is a well-known dissident. "They're mostly children's books. How can that be dangerous?" But other librarians acknowledge their political motives. "No book can start a war," says Mr. Almiral, who was fired from his teaching job after becoming involved in opposition politics. "But if we can open people's minds, they might start thinking certain thoughts, and that will inevitably lead to change." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://chronicle.com Section: International Page: A40 Copyright © 2001 by The Chronicle of Higher Education __________________________________________________________________________ Distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. --- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. 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Sincerely, Microsoft Online ID Administrator From iang at abraham.cs.berkeley.edu Fri Jun 8 08:00:02 2001 From: iang at abraham.cs.berkeley.edu (Ian Goldberg) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:00:02 -0400 Subject: Eco-Terrorist Attacks Prompt Federal Action References: <200106072327.TAA04315@www3.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: In article <200106072327.TAA04315 at www3.aa.psiweb.com>, wrote: ># He's proposing to increase the penalties for terrorism directed ># against scientists. Cool. Now all we need is that "is-a-scientist" credential from that other thread... - Ian "How about increased penalties for frivolous lawsuits directed against scientists?" From juicy at melontraffickers.com Fri Jun 8 11:54:02 2001 From: juicy at melontraffickers.com (A. Melon) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:54:02 -0700 Subject: From CNN: Rwandan nuns guilty of war crimes Message-ID: BRUSSELS, Belgium -- Two Rwandan nuns found guilty of war crimes during the 1994 genocide are awaiting sentencing. The defendants are scheduled to be sentenced in court on Friday. They face a maximum of life imprisonment. In a landmark trial in Belgium, a 12-member-jury found the two Catholic nuns, a university professor and a former government minister, guilty early on Friday of helping Hutu militia massacre thousands of Tutsi refugees. The trial, which lasted almost eight weeks, was the first in which a jury of ordinary citizens had sat in judgment of war crimes committed in another country. A 1993 Belgian law gives Belgian courts jurisdiction over violations of the Geneva Convention on war crimes, no matter where they were committed. [...] >From http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/africa/06/08/rwanda.verdict/index.html From alan at clueserver.org Fri Jun 8 12:06:06 2001 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan Olsen) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Will the real Slim Shady please shut up In-Reply-To: <200106071607.MAA08875@www6.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > What's the deal with the FCC fining (censoring) a Colorado radio > station for playing the _censored_ version of one of his songs? "If any sign of pleasure is exhibited, report to me and it will be prohibited! so shall it be! This is the Land of the Free!" > > http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,32248,00.html > # > # SHADY MOVES LEAD TO FINE FOR RADIO STATION > # > # A radio station in the US has been fined $7,000 for playing > # EMINEM's 'THE REAL SLIM SHADY', even though the tune had been > # edited for broadcast. > # > # The FCC (Federal Communications Commission) slapped the fine > # on KKMG-FM of Colorado Springs because, it said, the station > # had be censured despite the edit, because of the tone of the > # tune. > # > # "The edited version of the song contains unmistakable offensive > # sexual references. In this regard, portions of the lyrics contain > # sexual references in conjunction with sexual expletives that > # appear intended to pander and shock," they said in a statement. > # > # Two months ago, the FCC issued new guidelines to be used when > # determining what is obscene and what is decent and made it clear > # that innuendo was a factor, even if specific expletives were > # missing. > # > # The fine has been roundly condemned. Hilary Rosen, chief of the > # RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) told Variety > # magazine that: "It would be a disgrace if the FCC were to impose > # a violation on a radio station because they didn't like the > # 'suggestive' nature of a song. That goes right to the heart of > # idea-based censorship." > # > # A spokesperson for Citadel Communications, KKMG-FM's parent > # company, said the fine set a dangerous precedent. > # > # "The danger involved is that folks at the station level can't > # take comfort in the fact that something labelled 'radio edit > # version' is in compliance with the FCC's rules," he said > > alan at ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "All power is derived from the barrel of a gnu." - Mao Tse Stallman From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Fri Jun 8 13:22:18 2001 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: From CNN: Rwandan nuns guilty of war crimes In-Reply-To: from "A. Melon" at Jun 08, 2001 11:54:02 AM Message-ID: <200106082022.f58KMIg09499@artifact.psychedelic.net> A Melon wrote: > A 1993 Belgian law gives Belgian courts jurisdiction over violations of > the Geneva Convention on war crimes, no matter where they were > committed. Maybe we should all chip in and buy Ariel Sharon a free Belgian vacation. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From tmcv at prison.net Fri Jun 8 14:33:57 2001 From: tmcv at prison.net (Timothy McVeigh) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 14:33:57 -0700 Subject: DoD decides wiping is enough for unclassified old disks Message-ID: <3B2144C5.F6D50611@prison.net> WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon believes it has found a way to give its old computers away to American schools and still protect information locked in the machines' hard drives. Officials announced Thursday that Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz was reversing an unpopular five-month-old order to destroy the hard drives on unclassified computers, which rendered the computers practically unusable. Henceforth, hard drives should be destroyed on classified machines but only overwritten on unclassified ones, Wolfowitz said. The overwriting entails printing series of ones and zeros over the stored material. "Wolfowitz's new ... guidance will make more computers available for schools and other worthy organizations," a Pentagon statement said. It said more than 74,000 pieces of computer equipment, valued at $60 million or so, had been donated to school organizations in 2000 before the order came in January to destroy hard drives. Wolfowitz's predecessor Rudy de Leon had order the destruction but said the idea should be reviewed, said Susan Hansen, a Pentagon spokeswoman. "We've looked at the pluses and minuses," she said Thursday, and determined that overwriting would protect information on the computers while allowing the machines to be donated. Some lawmakers had criticized the January order as overkill. Others supported it after an audit found sensitive information such as lists of names and addresses had been left on hard drives of donated computers. Though unclassified, they said such cases still present risks. Wolfowitz's decision returns the practice to what it had been since 1992, requiring destruction only of computers that had dealt with classified information. From WKraft at ci.oshkosh.wi.us Fri Jun 8 12:53:28 2001 From: WKraft at ci.oshkosh.wi.us (Kraft, Warren P.) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:53:28 -0500 Subject: FW: City Tree Rapers Message-ID: <01E446B40445D311A3AC00805F7DC7F73C3EA5@oshkoshmis02.oshkosh.city.wi.us> Dear Mr. Seaver: The mayor invites you to come forward with proof to support your allegations of kickbacks at city hall, as posted on your website. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org You surely can attend the next Common Council meeting, which begins at 6PM on Tuesday, June 12, 2001, in Room 406 of City Hall, 215 Church Avenue. There is a portion near the meeting's end, entitled Citizen Statements, during which time you have ample opportunity to substantiate your claims. Otherwise, if you do not have such proof, you ought to consult with legal counsel to determine what appropriate retractions should be published. You might be aware that defamation of character, also known as libel, can result in civil lawsuits against the defamer. In addition, you may wish to ask about unauthorized use of portions of the City of Oshkosh website. Please do not misinterpret this as an effort to stifle appropriate public discussion about municipal issues. Valid, public opinions ought not lead one into legal trouble unless intended to do so. Thank you very much, Warren P. Kraft City Attorney's Office 215 Church Ave P. O. Box 1130 Oshkosh WI 54903-1130 (920) 236-5115 fax: 920-236-5090 PS Just so there is no misunderstanding, I do not consent to your publication of these comments in any fashion other than during a consultation with your legal counsel, should you so choose. Feel free to contact me directly about any questions you may have in these areas. -----Original Message----- From: Dell'Antonia, Jon Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:35 PM To: Kraft, Warren P. Subject: FW: City Tree Rapers You need to take a look at this guys web site. I think he has gone to far and I would like for you to "nail him to the cross" if you can. My issue is with his comments of kickbacks at city hall. This is a serious charge and he should either come forward with proof,and we should take appropriate action, or have to put out a retraction on his site. That is what I would like you to go after him about. It is one thing for him to blow off steam with his opinions, but this is a specific charge of illegal doings and I do not think we should let him get away with it. I think it is "put up or shut up" time. If you would like to discuss what we can do or we need a session on it, then lets have it. -----Original Message----- From: cityboy at cybershamanix.com To: mharris at ci.oshkosh.wi.us Cc: mbloechl at ci.oshkosh.wi.us; jdellantonia at ci.oshkosh.wi.us; shintz at ci.oshkosh.wi.us Sent: 6/6/01 2:45 PM Subject: City Tree Rapers http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org --------------A03F01E7232A6AC2F02E8425-- From Funkymonkey323 at cs.com Fri Jun 8 12:19:29 2001 From: Funkymonkey323 at cs.com (Funkymonkey323 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:19:29 EDT Subject: unsubscribe Funkymonkey323@cs.com Message-ID: <67.152eb463.28527f41@cs.com> please unsubscribe me From info at giganetstore.com Fri Jun 8 08:07:12 2001 From: info at giganetstore.com (info at giganetstore.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:07:12 +0100 Subject: Giganetstore na TV Interactiva Message-ID: <00b0d1307150861WWWSHOPENS@wwwshopens.giganetstore.com> Caro (a) Cliente Lamentamos a inacessibilidade momentânea de acesso a www.giganetstore.com , que ocorreu a 06-06-01, devido à mudança ISP (Provedor de Serviços de Internet), situação que já se encontra restabelecida. 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The only real drawback is the muzzle flash would be a problem in the dark. With the standard 6 inch barrel, the flame is about a foot in diameter and 2-3 feet long with some loads. Now when I attach the 14" barrel with the scope, I can put 5 shots in about 2 inches at 50 yards, and the muzzle flash is greatly reduced due to the increased barrel length. It is definitely on the heavy and bulky side for concealed carry, but I wouldn't agree that it is impractical. - -----Original Message----- From: David Honig [mailto:honig at sprynet.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 8:43 PM To: Jonathan Wienke; 'Morris Allen'; cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com Subject: RE: Automatic's At 11:53 AM 6/7/01 -0700, Jonathan Wienke wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >They used I.M.I. Desert Eagles chambered for .50 Action Express. I >have one in .44 Magnum, made in Israel, imported by Magnum Research, >Inc. Those are typical Hollywood guns, largely impractical. Cool looking, certainly. 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BILL BARS SEX SITES AT LIBRARY Steve LeBlanc, Associated Press writer South Coast Today (Massachusetts) http://www.s-t.com/daily/06-01/06-04-01/a04sr023.htm Surfing for smut at local libraries would be barred under a bill set to be heard by Beacon Hill lawmakers today. The measure, sponsored by Republican House leader Francis Marini, would also block Internet access to "satanic cults," "indecent depictions of bodily functions" and "illicit drugs, alcohol or tobacco products." From maimun_muhammad at eudoramail.com Fri Jun 8 06:22:56 2001 From: maimun_muhammad at eudoramail.com (maimun uwiek muhammad) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:22:56 +0700 Subject: (No Subject) Message-ID: From hseaver at ameritech.net Fri Jun 8 18:48:41 2001 From: hseaver at ameritech.net (Harmon Seaver) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:48:41 -0500 Subject: FW: City Tree Rapers References: <01E446B40445D311A3AC00805F7DC7F73C3EA5@oshkoshmis02.oshkosh .city.wi.us> Message-ID: <3B218077.806121C9@ameritech.net> Libel? Or really! And just who, pray tell, is being libeled? Let whoever thinks they are being libeled have at it. Politicians sue the press for libel? Don't be ridiculous. This is political speech and is entirely protect by the 1st admendment. Even someone like you has, I'm sure, heard of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, freedom of the press and all that, eh? I'm sure all the readers of my website -- and they are from all over the US, including Alaska, and from Canada, England, New Zealand, and Australia -- will get quite a chuckle over your email that I'm posting on my site tonight. "Kraft, Warren P." wrote: > Dear Mr. Seaver: > > The mayor invites you to come forward with proof to support your > allegations of kickbacks at city hall, as posted on your website. > http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org > > You surely can attend the next Common Council meeting, which begins at > 6PM on Tuesday, June 12, 2001, in Room 406 of City Hall, 215 Church Avenue. > There is a portion near the meeting's end, entitled Citizen Statements, > during which time you have ample opportunity to substantiate your claims. > > Otherwise, if you do not have such proof, you ought to consult with legal > counsel to determine what appropriate retractions should be published. You > might be aware that defamation of character, also known as libel, can result > in civil lawsuits against the defamer. In addition, you may wish to ask > about unauthorized use of portions of the City of Oshkosh website. > > Please do not misinterpret this as an effort to stifle appropriate public > discussion about municipal issues. Valid, public opinions ought not lead > one into legal trouble unless intended to do so. > > Thank you very much, > Warren P. Kraft > City Attorney's Office > 215 Church Ave > P. O. Box 1130 > Oshkosh WI 54903-1130 > (920) 236-5115 > fax: 920-236-5090 > > PS Just so there is no misunderstanding, I do not consent to your > publication of these comments in any fashion other than during a > consultation with your legal counsel, should you so choose. Feel free to > contact me directly about any questions you may have in these areas. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dell'Antonia, Jon > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:35 PM > To: Kraft, Warren P. > Subject: FW: City Tree Rapers > > You need to take a look at this guys web site. I think he has gone to far > and I would like for you to "nail him to the cross" if you can. My issue is > with his comments of kickbacks at city hall. This is a serious charge and > he should either come forward with proof,and we should take appropriate > action, or have to put out a retraction on his site. That is what I would > like you to go after him about. > > It is one thing for him to blow off steam with his opinions, but this is a > specific charge of illegal doings and I do not think we should let him get > away with it. I think it is "put up or shut up" time. > > If you would like to discuss what we can do or we need a session on it, then > lets have it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: cityboy at cybershamanix.com > To: mharris at ci.oshkosh.wi.us > Cc: mbloechl at ci.oshkosh.wi.us; jdellantonia at ci.oshkosh.wi.us; > shintz at ci.oshkosh.wi.us > Sent: 6/6/01 2:45 PM > Subject: City Tree Rapers > > http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver at cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver at ameritech.net From freematt at coil.com Fri Jun 8 17:58:57 2001 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 20:58:57 -0400 Subject: Ian Grigg's Crypto Fiction Choices Message-ID: From ibmmail at vrmnamail.ibm.com Fri Jun 8 14:30:54 2001 From: ibmmail at vrmnamail.ibm.com (IBM DeveloperWorks) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 21:30:54 +0000 (GMT+00:00) Subject: ADV: Hands-on technical sessions in Java, EJB, JSP, J2EE and more Message-ID: <1713410087.992035854836.JavaMail.develop@blauws002> Dear , developerWorks is constantly looking for ways to expose you to forums about open standards and cross-platform technologies. 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From hseaver at ameritech.net Fri Jun 8 19:33:06 2001 From: hseaver at ameritech.net (Harmon Seaver) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 21:33:06 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: FW: City Tree Rapers] Message-ID: <3B218ADD.D2FEC7E0@ameritech.net> -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver at cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver at ameritech.net -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: unknown sender Subject: no subject Date: no date Size: 38 URL: From florin at svshop.com Fri Jun 8 18:37:36 2001 From: florin at svshop.com (Florin) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 21:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TaxB.com, TaxWebPages.com now for sale! Message-ID: <007c01c0f085$3825eca0$0201a8c0@pacbell.net> Click on: www.afternic.com/~TAXB.com www.afternic.com/~TaxWebPages.com and see the prices! From jya at pipeline.com Fri Jun 8 22:18:32 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 22:18:32 -0700 Subject: Homeland Defense and the Prosecution of Jim Bell Message-ID: <200106090219.WAA03158@barry.mail.mindspring.net> http://cartome.org/homeland.htm "So, say goodnight to Joshua ..." Homeland Defense and the Prosecution of Jim Bell Deborah Natsios Cartome 8 June 2001 A sparsely attended trial which unfolded in Tacomas US district courthouse the first week of April 2001 hardly seemed an event that might open a small but revealing view onto the shifting national security apparatus. But to outside observers following the criminal prosecution of Washington State resident Jim Bell, accused of stalking and intimidating local agents of the IRS, Treasury Department and BATF, the defendant was a symptomatic target, and the governments stated case against him only a fragment of a more complex campaign linked to the evolving landscape of national and homeland defense. In the governments estimation, Bell had placed its Pacific Northwest agents "in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury"1. But for some trial-watchers, the case against James Dalton Bell, 43, was underpinned by a constellation of factors that made him more than the disaffected neighbor projecting antigovernment bile. Bell had invited the governments fullest prosecutorial zeal because his technical skills placed him in more ambiguous terrain, that of untested gray zones within emerging national defense landscapes, which, by calling into question the impregnability of the national border, have been taking national security tactics incountry in unprecedented ways, deploying new rules of engagement to challenge national security threats within the US domestic interior. Chapters: Homeland WarCoast Cypherpunks PosterBoy Joshua Tacoma Doppleganger BattlespaceSuburbia Holdout From hseaver at ameritech.net Fri Jun 8 20:45:51 2001 From: hseaver at ameritech.net (Harmon Seaver) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 22:45:51 -0500 Subject: lne.com Message-ID: <3B219BEE.42E206E4@ameritech.net> Looks like lne.com is down since this afternoon -- anyone know what's up with that? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver at cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver at ameritech.net From hseaver at ameritech.net Fri Jun 8 20:59:41 2001 From: hseaver at ameritech.net (Harmon Seaver) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 22:59:41 -0500 Subject: Prior Restraint Message-ID: <3B219F2C.894E4D3C@ameritech.net> Looks like the city of Oshberg would like to shut down my website -- http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org. Notice when you read the city attorney's email to me that he's trying to enjoin me with a little prior restraint re publishing his email to me. Of course, I immediately put it up on the site. Note the email from the mayor to him that he included, wonderful stuff. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver at cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver at ameritech.net From juicy at melontraffickers.com Sat Jun 9 08:10:02 2001 From: juicy at melontraffickers.com (A. Melon) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 08:10:02 -0700 Subject: Subject: Re: Ed Felten and researchers sue RIAA, DOJ over right to publish Message-ID: <028af6f1a29808708d17842f41e95d18@melontraffickers.com> Check out "F*ck the Creationists" by MC Hawking: http://www.mchawking.com/music.html. You can lay the funky shit on them creationists. Alan Olsen wrote: >To: David Honig >Cc: mmotyka at lsil.com, cypherpunks at cyberpass.net >Subject: Re: Ed Felten and researchers sue RIAA, DOJ over right to publish > >On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, David Honig wrote: > >> We are all scientists. >> >> And really, we are: even children apply the scientific method. Its not >> rocket science. > >You have not dealt with many Creationists I take it... From tmcv at prison.net Sat Jun 9 09:16:37 2001 From: tmcv at prison.net (Timothy McVeigh) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 09:16:37 -0700 Subject: CAL ISO *internal ops* machines cracked Message-ID: <3B224BE4.AF2B3A92@prison.net> SACRAMENTO For at least 17 days at the height of the energy crisis, hackers mounted an attack on a computer system that is integral to the movement of electricity throughout California, a confidential report obtained by The Times shows.
The hackers' success, though apparently limited, brought to light lapses in computer security at the target of the cyber-attack, the California Independent System Operator, which oversees most of the state's massive electricity transmission grid.
Officials at Cal-ISO say that the lapses have been corrected and that there was no threat to the grid. But others familiar with the attack say hackers came close to gaining access to key parts of the system, and could have seriously disrupted the movement of electricity across the state.
Democratic and Republican lawmakers were angered by the security breach at an entity that is such a basic part of California's power system, given its fragility during the state's continuing energy crisis. One called the attack "ominous."
An internal agency report, stamped "restricted," shows that the attack began as early as April 25 and was not detected until May 11. The report says the main attack was routed through China Telecom from someone in Guangdong province in China.
In addition to using China Telecom, hackers entered the system by using Internet servers based in Santa Clara in Northern California and Tulsa, Okla., the report says. James Sample, the computer security specialist at Cal-ISO who wrote the report, said he could not tell for certain where the attackers were located.
"You don't know where people are really from," Sample said. "The only reason China stuck out is because of the recent political agenda China had with the U.S. . . . An ambitious U.S. hacker could have posed as a Chinese hacker."
The breach occurred amid heightened Sino-American tensions after the collision between a Chinese military jet and a U.S. spy plane. In early May, there were hundreds of publicly reported computer attacks apparently originating from China. Most of those incidents involved mischief; anti-American slogans were scrawled on government Web sites.
The attack on the Cal-ISO computer system apparently had the potential for more serious consequences, given that the hackers managed to worm their way into the computers at the agency's headquarters in Folsom, east of Sacramento, that were linked to a system that controls the flow of electricity across California. The state system is tied into the transmission grid for the Western United States.
"This was very close to being a catastrophic breach," said a source familiar with the attack and Cal-ISO's internal investigation of the incident.
On May 7 and 8, as the infiltration was occurring, California suffered widespread rolling blackouts, but Cal-ISO officials said Friday that there was no connection between the hacking and the outages, which affected more than 400,000 utility customers.
"It did not affect markets or reliability," said Stephanie McCorkle, a spokeswoman for Cal-ISO.
Officials of the agency made no public acknowledgment of the attack until Friday when contacted by The Times. The agency did, however, call the FBI, which is investigating.
McCorkle said Cal-ISO did not make a public disclosure about the hacking "because it didn't impact the reliability of any of our internal networks."
"It didn't have a negative consequence and would not have impacted the public or market participants," McCorkle said.
After the attack was discovered, the report says, investigators found evidence that the hackers apparently were trying to "compile" or write software that might have allowed them to get past so-called firewalls protecting far more sensitive parts of the computer system.
The attackers focused on parts of the grid agency's computer system that are under development. In what may have been the most significant lapse, the system being developed was not behind a firewall, a security element designed to keep out those who are not entitled to access.
Additionally, so-called tripwires that might have alerted agency security personnel to the unauthorized entry were nonexistent. Nor were there logs within the system that might have identified users entering the system as the infiltration was occurring, the report notes.
What's more, dozens of ports into the computer system were open, when only a handful should have been available.
"All servers should be hardened regardless of their role or location in the network," the report says. "Only ports that are required to be open should be opened; all others should be disabled."
Complicating the investigation, workers at Cal-ISO rebooted their computers when the machines balked, apparently in response to the infiltration.
"This action limited our ability to discover all files and activity that may be related to this compromise," the report says.
Sample, the security engineer who wrote the report, downplayed the potential threat and said the attack was "something that we've been anticipating."
"It was a compromise, not really an attack," he said.
State legislators were not comforted by such distinctions.
"That's really amazing on two counts: that there were computers not behind a firewall and it took 17 days to discover," said state Sen. Debra Bowen (D-Marina del Rey), who chairs her chamber's Energy Committee.
Bowen, who was informed of the breach by The Times, called it a "serious matter" and said she was "very concerned to learn about this from the L.A. Times, rather than from the ISO itself." The lack of official notification, she said, adds to her skepticism about whether the agency has been forthcoming.
"It is embarrassing, so I can understand they would not want to talk about it," Bowen said. "We're going to ask some questions."
The Independent System Operator, established in 1998 when the state opened the newly deregulated electricity market to competition, is an essential component of the state's electricity system.
The purpose of the nonprofit entity is to balance the flow of electricity across the state and make last-minute power purchases to match demand and avoid blackouts. The Legislature reconfigured the agency earlier this year, giving Gov. Gray Davis the power to appoint the five-member board that oversees it.
"It is troubling that it happened," said Sen. Tom McClintock (R-Thousand Oaks). "It is disturbing that it took so long to be corrected. And it is galling that it was not reported to the Legislature."
McClintock labeled as "ominous" the possibility that the attack came from China. He said he is preparing a request for all documents related to the breach and is considering requesting a formal legislative inquiry.
ISO board member Mike Florio, who represents consumers, said he had a vague recollection that the board was informed of the attack. But he also was surprised to learn some of the details.
"We hire people to deal with this stuff," he said, "and they said they dealt with it." http://www.latimes.com/news/front/20010609/t000047994.html From jya at pipeline.com Sat Jun 9 09:27:25 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 09:27:25 -0700 Subject: Homeland Defense and the Prosecution of Jim Bell Message-ID: <200106091328.JAA29317@granger.mail.mindspring.net> (Resent, LNE is down) http://cartome.org/homeland.htm (72KB) "So, say goodnight to Joshua ..." Homeland Defense and the Prosecution of Jim Bell Deborah Natsios Cartome 8 June 2001 A sparsely attended trial which unfolded in Tacoma�s US district courthouse the first week of April 2001 hardly seemed an event that might open a small but revealing view onto the shifting national security apparatus. But to outside observers following the criminal prosecution of Washington State resident Jim Bell, accused of stalking and intimidating local agents of the IRS, Treasury Department and BATF, the defendant was a symptomatic target, and the government�s stated case against him only a fragment of a more complex campaign linked to the evolving landscape of national and homeland defense. In the government�s estimation, Bell had placed its Pacific Northwest agents "in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury"1. But for some trial-watchers, the case against James Dalton Bell, 43, was underpinned by a constellation of factors that made him more than the disaffected neighbor projecting antigovernment bile. Bell had invited the government�s fullest prosecutorial zeal because his technical skills placed him in more ambiguous terrain, that of untested gray zones within emerging national defense landscapes, which, by calling into question the impregnability of the national border, have been taking national security tactics incountry in unprecedented ways, deploying new rules of engagement to challenge national security threats within the US domestic interior. Sections: Homeland WarCoast Cypherpunks PosterBoy Joshua Tacoma Doppleganger BattlespaceSuburbia Holdout From esj at harvee.billerica.ma.us Sat Jun 9 08:36:11 2001 From: esj at harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 11:36:11 -0400 Subject: [camram-spam] long commentary from a knowledgeable outsider Message-ID: I wanted to try and get a rough approximation of hardware costs and performance for a hardware based attack against hashcash postage. So I wrote to Nicko van Someren. I chose Niko because I heard him speak that the digital commerce society of Boston on some of the scaling issues regarding a micromint[1] based currency system. A nutshell, he pretty well demolished the feasibility of micromint. In general, Nicko is not a fan of proof of work systems for a variety of reasons but he has some really good information that he gave me permission to share with the hashcash group. In my opinion, the content convinced me that hashcash will provide a degree of defense against Spam. On the downside, there are some serious issues regarding theft of service and bulk generation of stamps but I don't consider them a mortal wound, it's just a wound that bleeds real heavily... Please read the entire message before commenting because I may have addressed some of the points further on. [1]http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~rivest/RivestShamir-mpay.pdf --- eric ----------------------- my question to Nicko was: """My primary concern is that there is a risk that someone could define a hashcash coin generator using relatively cheap hardware (e.g. FPGA) and enable the at home spammer to generate lots of coins. I'm wondering if you would be willing to do a first-order approximation analysis on the cost versus speed curve for hardware generating hashcash coins? """ to which he replied: At 12:00 PM 6/8/2001 +0100, Nicko van Someren wrote: > Hashcash is different to MicroMint in that, as long as the >stamp is correctly constructed it will be hard to do any precomputation >to make bulk mailing more efficient and the economies of scale that >are both the key to and the downfall of MicroMint do not apply. That >said, the cost of repetitive bulk computation is nearly always >sub-linear in the amount of work to be done. > > The problems with proof of work schemes are many and varied. >The most obvious is the inequality of the amount of processing power >available to different people, or indeed to the same person in different >contexts. I send mail from both a 733 MHz G4 PowerPC (in an Apple Mac) >and a 16 MHz 68000 (in a Palm Pilot). Since the mail recipient can not >reliably tell from which machine I sent then mail either it is going >to take a couple of minutes to send a mail from the Palm or it will >only take a second but I can forge spam as having come from the Palm >and send hundreds a second from the Mac. To make matters worse, those >who would spam have already shown themselves to not be beyond using >the computing resources of others so I think that we can be confident >that spam would be sent using "stolen stamps". > > To address your specific question about hardware, as a rough >guess, special hardware can do the same work as a general purpose CPU >in about 0.1 to 0.2 as many clock ticks. For hash functions and some >block ciphers (e.g. DES) the speed up can be even greater. What's more, >since these days the fast FPGAs have more gates than you can shake a >stick at you will be able to put multiple engines on one chip and I >would expect that an off the shelf Xylinx development card with a big, >fast gate array directly on the PCI bus would in practice be able to >compute a SHA1 of something as small as an email address, date and >integer at a rate a good 500 times faster than my PowerPC. This >of course would depend on the hash algorithm and the amount of data >used. You could strengthen against the use of hardware by using a >system that needed more memory and used functions such as multiply >operations which are expensive in hardware but which CPU designers >spend a lot of effort upon. > > Given that a $2000 PCI bus card will let me send spam to >10,000 people in the same time that a legitimate user can send a >party invitation to 20 friends I expect that a SHA-1 based "proof >of work" stamp is not going to be useful to spammers. All that it >will do is make the sale of email addresses more profitable since >there will be a market for "stamped, addresses envelopes" for >which you can charge $100 for 100,000 instead of the current rate >of $50 per million filtered addresses. > > In short, I don't think proof of work based stamps will do >much for reducing spam. I think that to do that we need a more >innovative solution. If there were a ubiquitous micropayment scheme >in circulation then I would go for a system that required cold hard >cash to be sent with each email from someone you have not listed in >your "free list". For most spam you'll get some cash, making large >scale spam less cost effective as an advertising method, and if it >is from someone that you really want to talk to you'll just send the >cash back with your first mail back to the sender. > > So that's my 2 pennies worth (or 2,000,000,000 CPU cycles!) > > Nicko my reply was: >At 12:00 PM 6/8/2001 +0100, Nicko van Someren wrote: >> The problems with proof of work schemes are many and varied. >>The most obvious is the inequality of the amount of processing power >>available to different people, or indeed to the same person in different >>contexts. I send mail from both a 733 MHz G4 PowerPC (in an Apple Mac) >>and a 16 MHz 68000 (in a Palm Pilot). Since the mail recipient can not >>reliably tell from which machine I sent then mail either it is going >>to take a couple of minutes to send a mail from the Palm or it will >>only take a second but I can forge spam as having come from the Palm >>and send hundreds a second from the Mac. To make matters worse, those >>who would spam have already shown themselves to not be beyond using >>the computing resources of others so I think that we can be confident >>that spam would be sent using "stolen stamps". > >on the range of processing power issue, I believe a more realistic >bottom-line would be around a Pentium I/200 MHz. Wouldn't any e-mail >coming from a PalmPilot go through some form of a conduit on the higher >performance machine? That conduit could generate stamps. > >On the point about forging what class of machine as a way of getting out >of generating "expensive" stamps, we were not going to adjust the stamp >based on the senders resources. > >On the point about stolen stamps, I was planning on defeating that by >making hashcash be a client to client protocol and the only thing >intervening machines might do is validate that the stamp is present. > >>[hardware description snipped] >> Given that a $2000 PCI bus card will let me send spam to >>10,000 people in the same time that a legitimate user can send a >>party invitation to 20 friends I expect that a SHA-1 based "proof >>of work" stamp is not going to be useful to spammers. All that it >>will do is make the sale of email addresses more profitable since >>there will be a market for "stamped, addresses envelopes" for >>which you can charge $100 for 100,000 instead of the current rate >>of $50 per million filtered addresses. > >your thoughts are confirming one suspicion which is that even if hashcash >hardware was implemented, it would raise the cost of spamming and cut out >some of the more cost sensitive portions of the market. Remember that >each stamp can only be used once and that it's only good for a finite >period of time (for example, eight days). It would make it more difficult >for a spammer to deliver continual postage because in their >precalculation, they would need to create stamps that would be valid in >the future for a limited period of time. > >This still opens the market for spammer hardware to the at home spammer >where they would sell boards in addition to the list of e-mail addresses. > >> In short, I don't think proof of work based stamps will do >>much for reducing spam. I think that to do that we need a more >>innovative solution. If there were a ubiquitous micropayment scheme >>in circulation then I would go for a system that required cold hard >>cash to be sent with each email from someone you have not listed in >>your "free list". For most spam you'll get some cash, making large >>scale spam less cost effective as an advertising method, and if it >>is from someone that you really want to talk to you'll just send the >>cash back with your first mail back to the sender. > >it would be a short-term solution that would work until the hardware folks >catch up. I think it's worth moving ahead with the technique anyway >because it would create the infrastructure necessary for incorporating >micropayments. > >I need to run out now but I may send more thoughts later. > >I very much appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. > >---eric to which he replied to my reply... At 05:02 PM 6/8/2001 +0100, Nicko van Someren wrote: >"Eric S. Johansson" wrote: > > > > I would like permission to forward bits of your message to the hashcash > > mailing list. > >Sure, as long as you quote me in context. > > > > The problems with proof of work schemes are many and varied. > > >The most obvious is the inequality of the amount of processing power > > >available to different people, or indeed to the same person in different > > >contexts. I send mail from both a 733 MHz G4 PowerPC (in an Apple Mac) > > >and a 16 MHz 68000 (in a Palm Pilot). Since the mail recipient can not > > >reliably tell from which machine I sent then mail either it is going > > >to take a couple of minutes to send a mail from the Palm or it will > > >only take a second but I can forge spam as having come from the Palm > > >and send hundreds a second from the Mac. To make matters worse, those > > >who would spam have already shown themselves to not be beyond using > > >the computing resources of others so I think that we can be confident > > >that spam would be sent using "stolen stamps". > > > > on the range of processing power issue, I believe a more realistic > > bottom-line would be around a Pentium I/200 MHz. Wouldn't any e-mail > > coming from a PalmPilot go through some form of a conduit on the higher > > performance machine? That conduit could generate stamps. > >I post directly from handhelds all the time but if you were to introduce >HashCash you could indeed mandate a gateway (with suitable sign-on) for >posting from light weight devices. > > > On the point about forging what class of machine as a way of getting out of > > generating "expensive" stamps, we were not going to adjust the stamp based > > on the senders resources. > >I think that having one size fit all will either render prefectly >legitimate posting way to slow in some circumstances or make it >too easy for the commited spammer to produce. > > > On the point about stolen stamps, I was planning on defeating that by > > making hashcash be a client to client protocol and the only thing > > intervening machines might do is validate that the stamp is present. > >Unless you plan to rebuild the structure of the internet's email >system this is going to be sent in the RFC822 header. You can't >have challenge-response stamps for store-and-forward email. Even >if you could deal with this there is no way to stop the turely nasty >spammer from just cracking someone else's machine and using it to >compute stamps for him. > > > >[hardware description snipped] > > > Given that a $2000 PCI bus card will let me send spam to > > >10,000 people in the same time that a legitimate user can send a > > >party invitation to 20 friends I expect that a SHA-1 based "proof > > >of work" stamp is not going to be useful to spammers. All that it > > >will do is make the sale of email addresses more profitable since > > >there will be a market for "stamped, addresses envelopes" for > > >which you can charge $100 for 100,000 instead of the current rate > > >of $50 per million filtered addresses. > > > > your thoughts are confirming one suspicion which is that even if hashcash > > hardware was implemented, it would raise the cost of spamming and cut out > > some of the more cost sensitive portions of the market. Remember that each > > stamp can only be used once and that it's only good for a finite period of > > time (for example, eight days). It would make it more difficult for a > > spammer to deliver continual postage because in their precalculation, they > > would need to create stamps that would be valid in the future for a limited > > period of time. > >I don't see this as a problem. Most people who spam buy in the mailing >list from somewhere. Unless they plan to sit on the list for a long >time (i.e. more than a week) then they could buy in the bulk stamps too. >I bet the address dealers will cut you a deal if you come back for a >second round of stamps too. > > > This still opens the market for spammer hardware to the at home spammer > > where they would sell boards in addition to the list of e-mail addresses. > >Or allow you to log into their secure server and submit a list of >1,000,0000 addresses which would be stamped in a matter of minutes >for a small charge. > > > > In short, I don't think proof of work based stamps will do > > >much for reducing spam. I think that to do that we need a more > > >innovative solution. If there were a ubiquitous micropayment scheme > > >in circulation then I would go for a system that required cold hard > > >cash to be sent with each email from someone you have not listed in > > >your "free list". For most spam you'll get some cash, making large > > >scale spam less cost effective as an advertising method, and if it > > >is from someone that you really want to talk to you'll just send the > > >cash back with your first mail back to the sender. > > > > it would be a short-term solution that would work until the hardware folks > > catch up. I think it's worth moving ahead with the technique anyway > > because it would create the infrastructure necessary for incorporating > > micropayments. > >I'm not sure I agree. The design of an infrastructure for >incorpoating micropayments is easy. Define the XML for the >payment object, base 64 encode the payment, stick it in the >X-payment: header line of the mail. Done. What is needed is >the mail software on the desktops of tens of millions of users >to be changed to be changed to support the system. Furthermore >until you have it on the desktop of everyone with whom you talk >you'll run into endless trouble. > >The crux of the problem is that free email services with no >recourse for misuse are all to easy to get hold of. Unless >you stop accepting mail from mail servers that don't limit the >source and volume of their mail then you will always have spam. >If HotMail were to require some sort of ID before you could get >an account, and refuse to give a second one on the basis of the >same ID if the first account was canceled, then you would >quickly stop getting spam from HotMail. If you simply require >HotMail to compute stamps on every mail that they send then I >can't complain; they've already spent $5,000,000 with nCipher >for crypto hardware to speed up their SSL login and I expect >that they would do the same for the HashCash stamps. > >One way to ensure some sort of recourse is to require that there >is a valid, routable reply address. The vast majority of spam >mails do not have valid reply addresses. If you requried some >sort of challenge-response on the first communication between >two parties that would stop untracable spam. Furthermore such >a system can be automated by those who care but still be made >workable for those who don't want to upgrade their mail software. >If you send me a mail and you don't have an automated responder >you will simply see an authentication message with a request that >you reply with the given subect line. > >Anyway, as I've said before I really don't think proof-of-work >schemes are the solution. Even if you think that people would >accept a ten second per recipient delay before sending their >mail then the spammer can still send 50,000 mails a week on a >standard machine, and they can compute over the week and splurge >them out on some free ISP all in one go. It's not a useful >deterant. > > Nicko to which I replied (yes folks, this is the last bit) >> > On the point about forging what class of machine as a way of getting >> out of >> > generating "expensive" stamps, we were not going to adjust the stamp based >> > on the senders resources. >> >>I think that having one size fit all will either render prefectly >>legitimate posting way to slow in some circumstances or make it >>too easy for the commited spammer to produce. > >understood and I agree. It's just like you've pointed out that it's it's >easy for a spammer to claim to be a low-power machine and thereby enabling >them to get by with less postage. I'm not sure this is a mortal wound but >it certainly bleeds heavily. > >> > On the point about stolen stamps, I was planning on defeating that by >> > making hashcash be a client to client protocol and the only thing >> > intervening machines might do is validate that the stamp is present. >> >>Unless you plan to rebuild the structure of the internet's email >>system this is going to be sent in the RFC822 header. You can't >>have challenge-response stamps for store-and-forward email. > >actually, you can. Think back to the days of UUCP. One model we are >trying on for size would have both MUAs talk to each other and communicate >certain parameters. Yes, it's potentially very slow especially for people >that don't live on the net all the time but only check e-mail once a week. > >> Even >>if you could deal with this there is no way to stop the turely nasty >>spammer from just cracking someone else's machine and using it to >>compute stamps for him. > >yup, that's a hazard and one that can be defended against. The closer one >couples the hashcash environment to the MTA, the more difficult it becomes >for someone to steal services to generate stamps. > > >> > your thoughts are confirming one suspicion which is that even if hashcash >> > hardware was implemented, it would raise the cost of spamming and cut out >> > some of the more cost sensitive portions of the market. Remember that >> each >> > stamp can only be used once and that it's only good for a finite period of >> > time (for example, eight days). It would make it more difficult for a >> > spammer to deliver continual postage because in their precalculation, they >> > would need to create stamps that would be valid in the future for a >> limited >> > period of time. >> >>I don't see this as a problem. Most people who spam buy in the mailing >>list from somewhere. Unless they plan to sit on the list for a long >>time (i.e. more than a week) then they could buy in the bulk stamps too. >>I bet the address dealers will cut you a deal if you come back for a >>second round of stamps too. > >let's see, let's work the numbers. Assuming a X-hashcash:string is >somewhere in the area of 40 bytes, stamps for one million addresses is >roughly 40 MB, 10 million stamps would be 400 MB. One could easily fit >this on a CD or download via a DSL or cable modem. So transport would not >be a big deal for a single Spam client but it would get rather interesting >with thousands of spammer clients. > >Using your numbers, (500 times speed up), a spammer could generate one >stamp every 0.02 seconds (assuming the average stamp computation time was >10 seconds). This means that one million stamps would take 20,000 (5.5 >hours) seconds to generate. If we mixed in to the stamp definition a hash >of the message body as well, then it would be more difficult (but not >impossible) for the spammer to precompute stamps because they would have >to have the message body before they generated stamps. > >one board would allow them to service roughly 130 one million address >customers per month. servicing 1000 customers would take seven >boards. If people wanted to ship more than one piece of spam per month, >then the spam stamp creators would need to increase their capital >investment and ongoing monthly costs which would in turn increase the cost >of spam which would keep some people out of the market. > >This conversation is helping me understand how proof of work calculations >fail and the rate at which they would fail. The big question is can we >exploit the arms race in our favor? I think the answer is yes but only >for a relatively short period of time. But that would allow us to lay the >groundwork for peer-to-peer postage. > >> > This still opens the market for spammer hardware to the at home spammer >> > where they would sell boards in addition to the list of e-mail addresses. >> >>Or allow you to log into their secure server and submit a list of >>1,000,0000 addresses which would be stamped in a matter of minutes >>for a small charge. > >either my math is wrong or I didn't understand just how fast the speedup >would go. You still have the bandwidth issue when transferring stamps >which will most certainly take more than a few minutes. At least with the >bandwidth available to most people. ;-) > >> > it would be a short-term solution that would work until the hardware folks >> > catch up. I think it's worth moving ahead with the technique anyway >> > because it would create the infrastructure necessary for incorporating >> > micropayments. >> >>I'm not sure I agree. The design of an infrastructure for >>incorpoating micropayments is easy. Define the XML for the >>payment object, base 64 encode the payment, stick it in the >>X-payment: header line of the mail. Done. What is needed is >>the mail software on the desktops of tens of millions of users >>to be changed to be changed to support the system. Furthermore >>until you have it on the desktop of everyone with whom you talk >>you'll run into endless trouble. > >well, yes. We do need to change all desktops but we're discussing how to >do this without necessarily replacing the clients. The current model >favors the development of a proxy which does the hashcash >calculation. Obviously, we do want to get this into every e-mail client >on the face of the planet. It's not going to happen but with network >effects, I think we can encourage enough people to make the transition >that it will be worthwhile. > >One of the "encouragements" will be the delivery of messages from hashcash >users to non hashcash users. This message (created by autoresponder) will >instruct the user to click on a URL which will generate a hashcash coin >and a "get out of hashcash jail free" card. The "get out of hashcash jail >free" card will tell the recipient's MUA to release the trapped message. > >The reason why I keep harping on it being an important (but not essential) >precursor to using payments is that it will create the infrastructure for >handling payments, bounces, double spending and more importantly put in >place a code base that will only require minor changes (in theory) to >handle real currency instead of proof of work. > >as Bob will tell you, I have my own reality distortion field that has been >in operation for far longer than I've known Bob. > >>Anyway, as I've said before I really don't think proof-of-work >>schemes are the solution. Even if you think that people would >>accept a ten second per recipient delay before sending their >>mail then the spammer can still send 50,000 mails a week on a >>standard machine, and they can compute over the week and splurge >>them out on some free ISP all in one go. It's not a useful >>deterant. > > 60480 stamps in a week @ ten seconds per stamp assuming the machine runs > 24 by 7. It won't be a Windows box... ;-) > >The analysis we've gone over certainly indicates that this is a high >probability. My experience with spammers from the ISP perspective tells >me that hashcash (or something like it) will make a dent. It won't be >perfect by any stretch of the imagination but I can live with that. > >again, I truly appreciate your advice and information. I will keep you >informed so that what decisions we make in building the hashcash >infrastructure will also be expandable to handle electronic currency when >someone is ready to deploy it. > >---eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: camram-spam-unsubscribe at camram.org For additional commands, e-mail: camram-spam-help at camram.org --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. 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Let's Get Started Helping You to Begin Making All Your Dreams Come True, TODAY! You are receiving this message because you have either subscribed to one of my ffa-pages, newsletters or we have corresponded in the past. I respect your privacy. If you do not wish to receive any further messages or updates, please respond to this e-mail with the subject line "remove" and we will immediately remove your e-mail address from our database. To speed up your remove request please make sure you place the word remove in the Subject Line, not in the body of the e-mail. Thank you. From declan at well.com Sat Jun 9 09:48:09 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 12:48:09 -0400 Subject: In-Reply-To: ; from sandfort@mindspring.com on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 02:31:23PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20010609124809.A26560@cluebot.com> On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 02:31:23PM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > more power to you. But the Cypherpunks list is about getting things done > more than it's about cutesy vanity. Really? It always struck me as that this list was a lot more about vanity than getting things done. :) -Declan From declan at well.com Sat Jun 9 10:07:57 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 13:07:57 -0400 Subject: FC: Ashcroft tells Congress he'll take hard line on porn, piracy Message-ID: --- Excerpts from hearing transcript: http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=01/06/08/2143247&mode=thread --- http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44398,00.html Ashcroft's Hard Line on Hardcore By Declan McCullagh (declan at wired.com) 2:00 a.m. June 9, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- Look out, Internet sextrepreneurs: John Aschroft wants you to serve hard time. In explicit terms, the attorney general told Congress this week that hardcore sex sites would no longer be selling peeks at balloon-breasted babes. "I am concerned about obscenity and I'm concerned about obscenity as it relates to our children," Ashcroft said in his first appearance before the House Judiciary Committee. He said Justice Department prosecutors would help state officials imprison sex-site operators that feature obscene images: "We try to be especially accommodating to local law enforcement to assist them, and I would think that would be an objective of ours in this respect." A number of Republicans asked Ashcroft to pledge to prosecute raunch and ribaldry, but Rep. Bob Goodlatte of Virginia -- who also, unbelievably, is co-chair of the Internet Caucus -- was the most persistent. "The failure of the (Clinton) administration to enforce those laws has led to a proliferation of obscenity, both online and off," Goodlatte said. "And I am particularly concerned about the safety of our children on the Internet, where they're subjected to child pornography and solicitation in a massive way." [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- From declan at well.com Sat Jun 9 10:15:06 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 13:15:06 -0400 Subject: Ashcroft tells Congress he'll take hard line on porn, piracy Message-ID: <20010609131506.C26745@cluebot.com> ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- From aimee.farr at pobox.com Sat Jun 9 12:35:43 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 14:35:43 -0500 Subject: DC Cir: FTOs & due process Message-ID: NAT'L COUNCIL OF RESISTANCE OF IRAN v. DEP'T OF STATE http://laws.lp.findlaw.com/dc/991438a.html#Footref2 DC Cir.: putative foreign terrorist organizations with a US presence, not necessarily a "substantial" presence, are entitled to notice and hearing prior to FTO designation. See also, http://www.state.gov/www/global/terrorism/fto_info_1999.html I seem to remember some AEDPA discussions in the archives. AEDPA provides that all persons within or subject to US jurisdiction are forbidden from "knowingly providing material support or resources" to designated FTOs (among other penalties). The review process includes classified materials, so it has been the subject of some FISA-like controversy. This case concerned the designation of an "alter ego" FTO, and is interesting from several angles. ...particularly this one, if you read between the lines. >From the opinion: ================= To oversimplify, assume the Secretary gives notice to one of the entities that: We are considering designating you as a foreign terrorist organization, and in addition to classified information, we will be using the following summarized administrative record. You have the right to come forward with any other evidence you may have that you are not a foreign terrorist organization. It is not immediately apparent how the foreign policy goals of the government in general and the Secretary in particular would be inherently impaired by that notice. It is particular- ly difficult to discern how such a notice could interfere with the Secretary's legitimate goals were it presented to an entity such as the PMOI concerning its redesignation. We recog- nize, as we have recognized before, that items of classified information which do not appear dangerous or perhaps even important to judges might "make all too much sense to a foreign counterintelligence specialist who could learn much about this nation's intelligence-gathering capabilities from what these documents revealed about sources and methods." Yunis, 867 F.2d at 623. We extend that recognition to the possibility that alerting a previously undesignated organiza- tion to the impending designation as a foreign terrorist organization might work harm to this county's foreign policy goals in ways that the court would not immediately perceive. We therefore wish to make plain that we do not foreclose the possibility of the Secretary, in an appropriate case, demon- strating the necessity of withholding all notice and all oppor- tunity to present evidence until the designation is already made. The difficulty with that in the present case is that the Secretary has made no attempt at such a showing. We therefore hold that the Secretary must afford the limited due process available to the putative foreign terrorist organization prior to the deprivation worked by designating that entity as such with its attendant consequences, unless he can make a showing of particularized need. [...] ~Aimee "For holding conversation in suspicious places, whips may be substituted for fines. In the center of the village, an outcaste person may whip such women five times on each of the sides of their body." From aimee.farr at pobox.com Sat Jun 9 12:46:11 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 14:46:11 -0500 Subject: (on Young's "private language") In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On the regulation of storytellers: And therefore when any one of these pantomimic gentlemen, who are so clever that they can imitate anything, comes to us, and makes a proposal to exhibit himself and his poetry, we will fall down and worship him as a sweet and holy and wonderful being; but we must also inform him that in our State such as he are not permitted to exist; the law will not allow them. And so when we have anointed him with myrrh, and set a garland of wool upon his head, we shall send him away to another city. For we mean to employ for our souls' health the rougher and severer poet or story-teller, who will imitate the style of the virtuous only, and will follow those models which we prescribed at first when we began the education of our soldiers. -- Plato's cynicism in The Republic A passing shadow wrote, quoting S a n d y's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus: > >Thats easy. If ones purpose is to communicate to a given audience, it is > >the responsibility of the communicator to find the words, images > or whatever > >that will have meaning to most members of that audience. Let us walk, then, and speak of the meaning of meaning: " http://www.learn.columbia.edu/raphael/htm/raphael_philo.htm " Raphael, The Stanza della Segnatura, The School Of Athens Meaning is two or more objects in a relationship. As language is imperfect, the 'disposition of the sign' is rarely a mirror image in two minds. Sandy's argument exemplifies Wittgensteinian thought: a perfect language is one that has TOTAL identity of reference, and all communication should have this goal. For Sandy, anything else is "nonsensical." Those who have the strongest power of reasoning, and who most skilfully arrange their thoughts in order to tender them clear and intelligible, have the best power of persuasion even if they can but speak the language of Lower Brittany and have never learned Rhetoric. And those who have the most delightful original ideas and who know how to express them with the maximum of style and suavity, would not fail to be the best poets even if the art of Poetry were unknown to them. (Descartes) > This is not TV, Sandy. Or a public school, or politically correct > town meeting. Anonymous, (a fellow Sophist? FN1), points out that mass media is written for the masses. A larger point is that THOUGHT PRESUPPOSES LANGUAGE. By limiting your language to the lowest common denominator, your limit the 'lodestar' of the sign vehicles. American media speaks in the lowest common denominator in the interest of social justice and convenience. Some feel it has worked an equal injustice by hobbling our ability to THINK. "The limits of my language are the limits of my mind." (Wittgenstein) Great THOUGHT rarely speaks to the lowest common denominator. Great DIALOGUE is not betwixt idiots. > I, for one, enjoy JYA postings. It takes some intelligence to twist > the tongue in the right way and also to understand the implied. It is > fun, since thought process is revealed and much more info conveyed. My propositions serve as elucidations in the following way: anyone who understands me eventually recognizes them as nonsensical, when one has used them -- as steps -- to climb up beyond them. (Wittgenstein) > You seem to exhibit standard american "culture" conditioning that > denigrates > everything which is not immediately understandable by complete idiots. Anonymous is correct when he says we are limited by our cultural language conventions and folkways. I believe other cultures plowed richer fields of thought. > Even if "everyone" programs in visual basic, there is still beauty, > style and efficiency to be done in C or assembly. And there are things > which cannot be done in VB. "Let the use of words teach you their meaning." (Wittgenstein) I find Young's wordplay provoking. He buries little treasures in there sometimes...very unique. Our language folkways limit our conceptualization, and THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH THROUGH DIALOGUE. Just because language invokes a personal dialogue does not mean it invalid, or limited to an emotive conveyance. In this category fall the most powerful *communicative* works of human existence. Poetry and prose can attain equal footing with logical factual propositions, such as those couched in Justice and Philosophy. " http://www.learn.columbia.edu/raphael/htm/raphael_ceiling_details.htm " Raphael, The Stanza della Segnatura, The Ceiling (see iconography) > Like genital action, for example. I understand that that is your expertise. "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent." (Wittgenstein) My apologies for taking license, but it's the Allegory of the Cave in here sometimes.... ~Aimee 1. In an Aristotelian sense. From reeza at flex.com Sat Jun 9 17:57:06 2001 From: reeza at flex.com (Reese) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 14:57:06 -1000 Subject: In-Reply-To: <000801c0f106$e1a8ae80$8e0c7bd5@z2z6a0> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010609145309.00cb5da0@flex.com> At 07:09 AM 6/9/01, John Yeomans wrote: > Send me the instructions to make a stink bomb > please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Follow the recipe below, consume, and wait. Take: 4 lbs. ground beef (at least 80% lean) 3 16oz can dark red kidney beans 1 4.5oz can peeled & chopped green chilies (Old El Paso or similar) 2 8oz can tomato sauce 2 6ox can tomato paste 1 large green bell pepper 1 medium white onion 3 11oz bag white corn tortilla chips, round style (Jays or similar) 2/3 to 1 cup chili powder (*) 4 tbsp masa flour (commonly used to make tortillas & tamales, Quaker brand or similar) (*) 2-1/2 tbsp ground oregano (*) 1-1/2 tbsp paprika 1-1/2 tbsp ground red pepper (cayenne pepper) (*) 2 tbsp minced garlic 2 to 3 tsp salt, to taste (NOT tbsp!) NOTE 1) tbsp = tablespoon, tsp = teaspoon NOTE 2) ingredients marked (*) are also found in popular chili mixes, such as "Carroll Shelby's Original Texas Brand Chili Mix" or "2 Alarm Chili Mix". If using these mixes instead of separate ingredients, you will need two packages of mix to roughly equal the recommended amounts. NOTE 3) both tomato sauce and tomato paste are used in this recipe. This is due primarily to sugar content and really does affect the overall flavor. + Start heating 5 cups of water in a large pot over medium heat. Stir in salt and tomato sauce. DO NOT ALLOW TO BOIL! + Mix chopped onion & bell pepper with green chilies, while stirring in frying pan over low heat for 10 minutes. Transfer to a bowl for later use. + Break up ground beef into small chunks (think of a good size for picking up with a tortilla chip), and place in covered frying pan to brown over medium heat. When half done, drain the grease. When done browning, drain any remaining grease, then stir in onion/pepper mixture from bowl. + While beef is browning, stir in all spices (but NOT masa flour) to liquid in pot, mix thoroughly. + When beef is browned, stir tomato sauce into liquid in pot, then add beef and stir very thoroughly. + Cover pot and allow to simmer over low heat for 1/2 hour, stirring every 10 minutes. + Stir in masa flour, and continue to simmer another 15 minutes. 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From John.Yeomans at btinternet.com Sat Jun 9 10:09:00 2001 From: John.Yeomans at btinternet.com (John Yeomans) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 18:09:00 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <000801c0f106$e1a8ae80$8e0c7bd5@z2z6a0> Send me the instructions to make a stink bomb please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 398 bytes Desc: not available URL: From honig at sprynet.com Sat Jun 9 19:48:04 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 19:48:04 -0700 Subject: (on Young's "private language") In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010609194804.00801750@pop.sprynet.com> At 02:46 PM 6/9/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: >On the regulation of storytellers: > AF, we have only so much patience. State your point in a paragraph at most, or don't expect to be read. I think that was SS's point. Noone has any obligation (much less interest) to read anyone's linguistic masturbation. From tmcv at prison.net Sat Jun 9 19:50:54 2001 From: tmcv at prison.net (Timothy McVeigh) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 19:50:54 -0700 Subject: creationists vs. reality Message-ID: <3B22E08D.60B2A459@prison.net> At 08:10 AM 6/9/01 -0700, A. Melon wrote: >Check out "F*ck the Creationists" by MC Hawking: >http://www.mchawking.com/music.html. > >You can lay the funky shit on them creationists. Why, when it only takes 4 muscles to pull a trigger, and 42 to frown? 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Dick Laurent is a day dreamer From boo at datashopper.dk Sat Jun 9 11:44:04 2001 From: boo at datashopper.dk (Bo Elkjaer) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:44:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: New patent: Auto-escrowable and auto-certifiable cryptosystems with fast key generation Message-ID: Patent 6,243,466, granted june 5. 2001. Auto-escrowable and auto-certifiable cryptosystems with fast key generation Abstract A method is provided for an escrow cryptosystem that is overhead-free, does not require a cryptographic tamper-proof hardware implementation (i.e., can be done in software), is publicly verifiable, and cannot be used subliminally to enable a shadow public key system. A shadow public key system is an unescrowed public key system that is publicly displayed in a covert fashion. The keys generated by the method are auto-recoverable and auto-certifiable (abbrev. ARC). The ARC Cryptosystem is based on a key generation mechanism that outputs a public/private key pair, and a certificate of proof that the key was generated according to the algorithm. Each generated public/private key pair can be verified efficiently to be escrowed properly by anyone. The verification procedure does not use the private key. Hence, the general public has an efficient way of making sure that any given individual's private key is escrowed properly, and the trusted authorities will be able to access the private key if needed. Since the verification can be performed by anyone, there is no need for a special trusted entity, known in the art as a "trusted third party". Furthermore, the system is designed so that its internals can be made publicly scrutinizable (e.g., it can be distributed in source code form). This differs from many schemes which require that the escrowing device be tamper-proof hardware. The system has a novel feature that the system parameters can be generated very efficiently and at the same time provide a very high level of security. Another novel feature is a method for making the certificates of recoverability publishable. The system is applicable for law-enforcement, file systems, e-mail systems, certified e-mail systems, and any scenario in which public key cryptography can be employed and where private keys or information encrypted under public keys need to be recoverable. http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='6,243,466'.WKU.&OS=PN/6,243,466&RS=PN/6,243,466 -- EOT From boo at datashopper.dk Sat Jun 9 11:44:04 2001 From: boo at datashopper.dk (Bo Elkjaer) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:44:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: New patent: Auto-escrowable and auto-certifiable cryptosystems with fast key generation Message-ID: Patent 6,243,466, granted june 5. 2001. Auto-escrowable and auto-certifiable cryptosystems with fast key generation Abstract A method is provided for an escrow cryptosystem that is overhead-free, does not require a cryptographic tamper-proof hardware implementation (i.e., can be done in software), is publicly verifiable, and cannot be used subliminally to enable a shadow public key system. A shadow public key system is an unescrowed public key system that is publicly displayed in a covert fashion. The keys generated by the method are auto-recoverable and auto-certifiable (abbrev. ARC). The ARC Cryptosystem is based on a key generation mechanism that outputs a public/private key pair, and a certificate of proof that the key was generated according to the algorithm. Each generated public/private key pair can be verified efficiently to be escrowed properly by anyone. The verification procedure does not use the private key. Hence, the general public has an efficient way of making sure that any given individual's private key is escrowed properly, and the trusted authorities will be able to access the private key if needed. Since the verification can be performed by anyone, there is no need for a special trusted entity, known in the art as a "trusted third party". Furthermore, the system is designed so that its internals can be made publicly scrutinizable (e.g., it can be distributed in source code form). This differs from many schemes which require that the escrowing device be tamper-proof hardware. The system has a novel feature that the system parameters can be generated very efficiently and at the same time provide a very high level of security. Another novel feature is a method for making the certificates of recoverability publishable. The system is applicable for law-enforcement, file systems, e-mail systems, certified e-mail systems, and any scenario in which public key cryptography can be employed and where private keys or information encrypted under public keys need to be recoverable. http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='6,243,466'.WKU.&OS=PN/6,243,466&RS=PN/6,243,466 -- EOT From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sat Jun 9 20:38:26 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 22:38:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FW: City Tree Rapers In-Reply-To: <3B218077.806121C9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Libel? Or really! And just who, pray tell, is being libeled? Let > whoever thinks they are being libeled have at it. Politicians sue the press > for libel? Don't be ridiculous. This is political speech and is entirely > protect by the 1st admendment. Even someone like you has, I'm sure, heard of Bullshit, the 1st makes no such distinction. With respect to libel, or any other form of speech it only says it isn't a federal issue. Note that no stipulation is put upon the states (see 10'th). Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sat Jun 9 20:41:00 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 22:41:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: (on Young's "private language") In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010609194804.00801750@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, David Honig wrote: > At 02:46 PM 6/9/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > >On the regulation of storytellers: > > > > AF, we have only so much patience. State your point in a paragraph at > most, or don't expect to be read. I think that was SS's point. Noone > has any obligation (much less interest) to read anyone's linguistic > masturbation. Drop fucking dead. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sat Jun 9 20:55:09 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 22:55:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FW: City Tree Rapers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 CeejEngine at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/9/01 11:35:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ravage at einstein.ssz.com writes: > > > > Bullshit, the 1st makes no such distinction. With respect to libel, or any > > other form of speech it only says it isn't a federal issue. Note that no > > > > Yeah, but then you've got the 14th, which has been used to apply the Bill of > Rights to the states (due process clause), so that means that no gov. can > restrict free speech. As for libel, its damn hard to make stick- public > figures have a hight standard, which includes proving actual malice. Fun > times. But the 14'th only speaks of 'priviliges and immunities' it never(!) uses the term 'right' and a right is clearly not a privilige or immunity (read the first two para's of the DoI for explanation of 'right'). If anything the 14'th would prevent states from making any(!) laws respecting speech, even if we accept rights as priviliges or immunities. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From k-elliott at wiu.edu Sat Jun 9 22:56:38 2001 From: k-elliott at wiu.edu (Kevin Elliott) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 22:56:38 -0700 Subject: In-Reply-To: <000801c0f106$e1a8ae80$8e0c7bd5@z2z6a0> References: <000801c0f106$e1a8ae80$8e0c7bd5@z2z6a0> Message-ID: At 18:09 +0100 on 6/9/01, John Yeomans wrote: Send me the instructions to make a stink bomb please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't there some sort of quota on the maximum allowed number of exclamation points in a message? Though it's worth noting that he didn't post through toad.com so that aught to be worth some brownie points . -- ____________________________________________________________________ volatile: Because every program deserves SOME interrupt code... Kevin "The Cubbie" Elliott ICQ#23758827 ____________________________________________________________________ From k-elliott at wiu.edu Sat Jun 9 23:00:28 2001 From: k-elliott at wiu.edu (Kevin Elliott) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:00:28 -0700 Subject: FW: City Tree Rapers In-Reply-To: <3B218077.806121C9@ameritech.net> References: <01E446B40445D311A3AC00805F7DC7F73C3EA5@oshkoshmis02.oshkosh .city.wi.us> <3B218077.806121C9@ameritech.net> Message-ID: At 20:48 -0500 on 6/8/01, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Libel? Or really! And just who, pray tell, is being libeled? Let >whoever thinks they are being libeled have at it. Politicians sue the press >for libel? Don't be ridiculous. This is political speech and is entirely >protect by the 1st admendment. Even someone like you has, I'm sure, heard of >the Constitution and Bill of Rights, freedom of the press and all that, eh? > I'm sure all the readers of my website -- and they are from all over >the US, including Alaska, and from Canada, England, New Zealand, and Australia >-- will get quite a chuckle over your email that I'm posting on my site >tonight. You know, I would think in cases of alleged political corruption the burden of proof would be on the politician not the accuser ;-) -- ____________________________________________________________________ volatile: Because every program deserves SOME interrupt code... Kevin "The Cubbie" Elliott ICQ#23758827 ____________________________________________________________________ From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sat Jun 9 21:34:09 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:34:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FW: City Tree Rapers In-Reply-To: <18.dc09407.285449dd@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 CeejEngine at aol.com wrote: > Right, reading it literally. But the supreme court has interpreted the "due > process" clause to include rights granted under the bill of rights (using the > incorperation doctrine). I know it isn't in the 14th itself, but the way the > court has interpreted it has given it this meaning. Look at New York v. > Griswold (i think) for a good example of this. The court applied unreasonable > search and siezure to a state using the 14th. The same goes for free speech. The Bill of Rights actually grants no rights, it only limits what the government may do with respect to defining/restricting them. See 9'th and 10'th. It in effect sets out a list of prohibitions of things that can't/shouldn't be done. I challenge you to find a single 'assignment' sentence in the first 10 amendments. With respect to the laws of the states, the Constitution only(!) stipulates that the federals must guarantee them to be representative. It says nothing about the actual form/function so implimented. [Image] Bill of Rights page THE FIRST 10 AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION AS RATIFIED BY THE STATES Note: The following text is a transcription of the first 10 amendments to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the "Bill of Rights." Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Amendment III No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. Amendment VII In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. Amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Amendments 11-27 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: The capitalization and punctuation in this version is from the enrolled original of the Joint Resolution of Congress proposing the Bill of Rights, which is on permanent display in the Rotunda of the National Archives Building, Washington, D.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- National Archives and Records Administration home page URL: http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/billrights/billrights.html webmaster at nara.gov Last Modified on February 16, 2001 -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From CeejEngine at aol.com Sat Jun 9 20:41:57 2001 From: CeejEngine at aol.com (CeejEngine at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:41:57 EDT Subject: FW: City Tree Rapers Message-ID: In a message dated 6/9/01 11:35:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ravage at einstein.ssz.com writes: > Bullshit, the 1st makes no such distinction. With respect to libel, or any > other form of speech it only says it isn't a federal issue. Note that no > Yeah, but then you've got the 14th, which has been used to apply the Bill of Rights to the states (due process clause), so that means that no gov. can restrict free speech. As for libel, its damn hard to make stick- public figures have a hight standard, which includes proving actual malice. Fun times. Ender From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sat Jun 9 21:42:37 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 23:42:37 -0500 Subject: Substantive Due Process Message-ID: <3B22FABD.F2A21E8F@ssz.com> The problem with the due "Process Clause" is it injects a false distinction with respect to 'types' of rights. See the first two sentences of the DoI for a clarification of the only operable definition of 'right' acceptable in the American Democratic Experiment. http://members.aol.com/abtrbng/sdp.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sat Jun 9 21:47:02 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:47:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Another point of the 14'ths "Due Process" and it's trumping... Message-ID: It's already trumped by a stronger requirement in the 5'th and 6'th, in particular the 'compulsory process' clause of the 6'th. Not only are each of us due, but government is REQUIRED to provide it under all criminal cases involving $20 or more. Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From CeejEngine at aol.com Sat Jun 9 20:56:13 2001 From: CeejEngine at aol.com (CeejEngine at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:56:13 EDT Subject: FW: City Tree Rapers Message-ID: <18.dc09407.285449dd@aol.com> In a message dated 6/9/01 11:53:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ravage at einstein.ssz.com writes: > > In a message dated 6/9/01 11:35:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > ravage at einstein.ssz.com writes: > > > > > > > Bullshit, the 1st makes no such distinction. With respect to libel, or > any > > > other form of speech it only says it isn't a federal issue. Note that no > > > > > > > Yeah, but then you've got the 14th, which has been used to apply the Bill > of > > Rights to the states (due process clause), so that means that no gov. can > > restrict free speech. As for libel, its damn hard to make stick- public > > figures have a hight standard, which includes proving actual malice. Fun > > times. > > But the 14'th only speaks of 'priviliges and immunities' it never(!) uses > the term 'right' and a right is clearly not a privilige or immunity (read > the first two para's of the DoI for explanation of 'right'). > > If anything the 14'th would prevent states from making any(!) laws > Right, reading it literally. But the supreme court has interpreted the "due process" clause to include rights granted under the bill of rights (using the incorperation doctrine). I know it isn't in the 14th itself, but the way the court has interpreted it has given it this meaning. Look at New York v. Griswold (i think) for a good example of this. The court applied unreasonable search and siezure to a state using the 14th. The same goes for free speech. Ender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1884 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sat Jun 9 22:13:00 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:13:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FW: City Tree Rapers In-Reply-To: <7a.1620bcb0.285455d5@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 CeejEngine at aol.com wrote: > Sorry, poor choice of language on my part. True, the bill of rights doesn't > actually *assign* rights- it prohibits the federal government from making any > laws that restrict them. ...or defining what is or isn't. It isn't the federals business to manage the individual. It is their business to manage interstate commerce (of both type), make sure all state governments are 'representative' (if that doesn't bring the fed's into it nothing else will, how can a state government be representative if some faction can't speak or they aren't getting fair legal protection? Interstate commerce, second definition) and handle foreign interests. > Reading from amendments 1-10, and the othe articles > of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to the states- and this > was legal fact until the passage of the 14th amendment. Perhaps, but it's incorrect interpretation. For example the 5th and 6th say 'criminal' not 'federal' or 'state' (there is no specification as in the 1st as to who can't do it). To even quible over it is a fundamental abandonment of American Democratic thought. Consider that one of the fundamental thoughts of 'American Democratic' theory is 'equal protection under the law'. Consider why this country revolted from Britian, unequal protection under the law. American thought is fundamentaly about 'if it ain't prohibited it's permitted' and 'it can't be prohibited unless it can be shown to harm anothers expression of rights (ie life, liberty, & pursuit of happiness)'. It isn't about 'you can only do what is listed'. That's why we have a list of things which are meant to not be listed ever(!). I love current popular American political thought: "The only way to protect Democracy is to give it up." And the trains still won't run on time... -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sat Jun 9 22:14:54 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:14:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Substantive Due Process In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 CeejEngine at aol.com wrote: > I'm going to have to admit that I've pretty much lost the thread of the > argument here- I'm just trying to point out that under the incorperation > doctrine, the 14th amendment has been used to expand the bill of rights to > apply to the states. The problem is they draw a distinction in 'rights', procedural and substative. When in fact they are the sides of the same coin. You can't have one without the other. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From info at homerjoe.net Sat Jun 9 22:23:34 2001 From: info at homerjoe.net (Founder) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:23:34 -0500 Subject: - 3 steps to WEALTH!!!!! Message-ID: <200106100523.AAA10459@einstein.ssz.com> Are you READY TO EXPLODE YOUR INCOME????? Three Simple Steps 1. PRE ENROLL AT www.hugedownline.com 2. Listen to the OVERVIEW-858-824-3543 3. go to: www.hugedownline.com/signup.htm to complete your enrollment! Its That Simple!!! Prooven Company Prooven System BIG MONEY!!!! To stop additional follow up messages click below: http://www.aweber.com/r.php?i=hotfreshleads&e=cypherpunks%40ssz.com From CeejEngine at aol.com Sat Jun 9 21:47:17 2001 From: CeejEngine at aol.com (CeejEngine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:47:17 EDT Subject: FW: City Tree Rapers Message-ID: <7a.1620bcb0.285455d5@aol.com> In a message dated 6/10/01 12:33:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ravage at einstein.ssz.com writes: > The Bill of Rights actlly grants no rights, it only limits what the > government may do with respect to defining/restricting them. See 9'th and > 10'th. It in effect sets out a list of prohibitions of things that > can't/shouldn't be done. I challenge you to uafind a single 'assignment' > sentence in the first 10 amendments. > > With respect to the laws of the states, the Constitution only(!) > stipulates that the federals must guarantee them to be representative. It > Sorry, poor choice of language on my part. True, the bill of rights doesn't actually *assign* rights- it prohibits the federal government from making any laws that restrict them. Reading from amendments 1-10, and the othe articles of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to the states- and this was legal fact until the passage of the 14th amendment. But that 14th stated that (paraphrasing here) "no state may deny a citizen due process of law". The Supreme Court interpreted this (in effect, adding foot notes to the constitution) to mean that the Bill of Rights now applied to the states. I know that nowhere in the Constitution does it say that "states must honour the bill of rights". But look in Supreme Court decisions (which, legally, are pretty much an extension of the constitution). There, it is *clearly* stated that the Bill of Right's restrictions of the federal government's powers applies to the states as well. So when you say that the Constitution only says that states laws must be representative, you are ignoring the 14th amendment, and what it does to the relationthip between state governments and their citizens. But yeah, that's all I'm trying to say. Enough is enough. Ender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 2163 bytes Desc: not available URL: From CeejEngine at aol.com Sat Jun 9 21:54:16 2001 From: CeejEngine at aol.com (CeejEngine at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:54:16 EDT Subject: Substantive Due Process Message-ID: The problem with the due "Process Clause" is it injects a false distinction with respect to 'types' of rights. See the first two sentences of the DoI for a clarification of the only operable definition of 'right' acceptable in I'm going to have to admit that I've pretty much lost the thread of the argument here- I'm just trying to point out that under the incorperation doctrine, the 14th amendment has been used to expand the bill of rights to apply to the states. No, the constitution doesn't explicitly state this. But the supreme court says that it is part of the constitution, which pretty much makes it so (yes, there are some important legal distinctions between court opinions and the Constitution itself, but for the most part, they function as the same thing, with the opinions footnoting the Constitution). Ender -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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INSTRUCTIONS: > > > >=====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! > > > > >========================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY > > > > >========================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered Report # 2 Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report #4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4 $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGUREOUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! > > > > >========================================================= REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET > > > > >======================================================= Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method #1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. > > > > >=========== AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : > > > > >==================================================== REPORT # 1: "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net" Order Report #1 from: D.S. White Box 2228 - 246 Steward Green S.W. Calgary, Alberta T3H 3C8 ___________________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net" Order Report # 2 from: Dan Wetzel PO Box 715 McNaughton, WI 54543, USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: "Secret to Multilevel Marketing on the Net" Order Report # 3 from : Dusty PO Box 60204 Palm Bay, FL 32906-0204, USA > > > > >__________________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: "How to Become a Millionaire Utilizing MLM & the Net" Order Report # 4 from: S and D Marketing PO Box 8365 LA Crescenta, CA 91224, USA ___________________________________________________________ REPORT #5: "How to Send Out 0ne Million e-mails for Free" Order Report # 5 from: MLD 1816 S. 312th Federal Way WA 98003, USA ___________________________________________________________ > > > > >$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. === Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business!!! ====================================================== FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2....#5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! > > > > >============ MORE TESTIMONIALS ================ "My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois > > > > >====================================================== ''Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big." Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada > > > > >======================================================= 'I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks." Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. > > > >======================================================= ''It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet.". Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand > > > > >======================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON 'YOUR' ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! > > > > >======================================================= > > > > > If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington, D.C. (Note: To avoid delays make sure appropriate postage to Canada is applied if mailing from the US) > > > >-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=Remove Instructions=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ************************************************************** Do not reply to this message - To be removed from future mailings: mail to:housetips at hotmail.com?Subject=Remove From exporta012001 at yahoo.ca Sun Jun 10 09:17:31 2001 From: exporta012001 at yahoo.ca (Dawn) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:17:31 Subject: Freedom Message-ID: <200106101514.IAA12319@ecotone.toad.com> Friends and Family--- Hi everyone, this is Dawn!!! Well you guys really need to read on about this awesome way you can make tons of money, I'm already doing it, and I'm really excited knowing that I am going to get lots of money in the mail. Just read this e-mail all the way through, and you'll completely understand what you need to do. If you don't understand then E-mail me and I'll explain it to you better. When you're mailing the letters and it has to go to Canada you have to put a 60 cent postage on it. But this a great way to make lots of money. Well just read on, and you'll all see what I'm talking about. Thanks!!! Subject: Real Money Dear Friends & Future Millionaires: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! > > > > >================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say. ''Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in." Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. > > > > >=================================================== Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, > > > > >===== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ====== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: > > > >=====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! > > > > >========================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY > > > > >========================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered Report # 2 Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report #4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4 $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGUREOUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! > > > > >========================================================= REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET > > > > >======================================================= Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method #1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. > > > > >=========== AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : > > > > >==================================================== REPORT # 1: "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net" Order Report #1 from: D.S. White Box 2228 - 246 Steward Green S.W. Calgary, Alberta T3H 3C8 ___________________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net" Order Report # 2 from: Dan Wetzel PO Box 715 McNaughton, WI 54543, USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: "Secret to Multilevel Marketing on the Net" Order Report # 3 from : Dusty PO Box 60204 Palm Bay, FL 32906-0204, USA > > > > >__________________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: "How to Become a Millionaire Utilizing MLM & the Net" Order Report # 4 from: S and D Marketing PO Box 8365 LA Crescenta, CA 91224, USA ___________________________________________________________ REPORT #5: "How to Send Out 0ne Million e-mails for Free" Order Report # 5 from: MLD 1816 S. 312th Federal Way WA 98003, USA ___________________________________________________________ > > > > >$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. === Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business!!! ====================================================== FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2....#5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! > > > > >============ MORE TESTIMONIALS ================ "My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois > > > > >====================================================== ''Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big." Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada > > > > >======================================================= 'I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks." Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. > > > >======================================================= ''It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet.". Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand > > > > >======================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON 'YOUR' ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! > > > > >======================================================= > > > > > If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington, D.C. (Note: To avoid delays make sure appropriate postage to Canada is applied if mailing from the US) > > > >-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=Remove Instructions=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ************************************************************** Do not reply to this message - To be removed from future mailings: mail to:housetips at hotmail.com?Subject=Remove From support at 4freeteen.com Sun Jun 10 06:33:10 2001 From: support at 4freeteen.com (support at 4freeteen.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:33:10 -0400 Subject: Confirmation required for regsitration at 4 Free Teen Message-ID: <200106101333.JAA04906@nat71.national-net.com> Thank you !!! You or someone you know has submitted your email address to 4 Free Teen Username: cypherpunks Password: This will be E-MAILED to you once you complete the following 2 steps.... Step 1) Click on the following URL to CONFIRM your registration: http://www.4freebucks.com/cgi/auth.cgi?0610472712 Step 2) Follow the instructions on the confirmation page (step 1). Your PASSWORD will be generated and E-MAILED to you. If you do not wish to continue your registration, simply disregard this message. Please do not hesitate to send questions to support at 4freeteen.com From declan at well.com Sun Jun 10 07:01:57 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:01:57 -0400 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: <20010608055917.55314.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com>; from morlockelloi@yahoo.com on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:59:17PM -0700 References: <20010608055917.55314.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010610100157.C28943@cluebot.com> I have never programmed in VB, though I have written machine code. Nowadays I do my work in Perl with some C and am quite happy. That said, I suspect you can craft some useful programs in VB, and if it speeds development time without greatly influencing running time, why not do it? I'm too cranky to get religious about these things any more. -Declan On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:59:17PM -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote: > >And to never write the way poets do, oddballs do, gibbering > >idiots do, for that will allegedly diminish the value of your > >writing the way the payers want you to write, that is to > > The language is extremely powerful. Many do not realise that, so, to follow > anon's analogy, VB-heads keep on droning correctly, and cannot even think > outside microsoft-sponsored visual basic. For them it is the blessed and only > way for their fucked audience to "understand" (and compiler to compile). > > They look down to snippets of machine code, which they cannot write, because > for them the writing is equal to scripting microsoft's interpreter. I bet that > many deny the very existance of assembly programs. > > But machine instructions can be really dangerous, they can fuck up the brain > with new associations and synapses, and do things which VB-ers cannot dream of, > literally. > > For writing VB-shit by pathetic "wordsmiths" is not really writing at all. It > is just symbolic xeroxing of master's 5 commandments in 17 prescribed shades. > Nothing can be said in VB, really. From declan at well.com Sun Jun 10 07:04:14 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:04:14 -0400 Subject: In-Reply-To: <3B234DEE.4D2C44CD@lrz.uni-muenchen.de>; from Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de on Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 12:37:34PM +0200 References: <20010609124809.A26560@cluebot.com> <3B234DEE.4D2C44CD@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: <20010610100414.D28943@cluebot.com> PRZ told me last week he was working on (and I put this in my Wired article) PGPfone in Java. You may want to compare notes. -Declan On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 12:37:34PM +0200, Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de wrote: > Apropos, I'm looking for full-duplex no-hassle crypto > voice programs (preferably, for *nix) which would work > on anything >200 MHz StrongARM and over wireless modem > links. (It's in a wearable context). > > Apart from SpeakFreely (I'm not sure it's full duplex), > any pointers? > ______________________________________________________________ > ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 > 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From declan at well.com Sun Jun 10 07:08:58 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:08:58 -0400 Subject: unsu-s-r-b- Funkymonkey323@cs.com In-Reply-To: <67.152eb463.28527f41@cs.com>; from Funkymonkey323@cs.com on Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:19:29PM -0400 References: <67.152eb463.28527f41@cs.com> Message-ID: <20010610100857.E28943@cluebot.com> Any chance of adding "uns-b-c-i-e" in the Subject: or body to majordomo's verboten-words list? -Declan On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:19:29PM -0400, Funkymonkey323 at cs.com wrote: > please uns--e me From honig at sprynet.com Sun Jun 10 10:15:33 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:15:33 -0700 Subject: The Credentialling of America In-Reply-To: <3B239896.BB81989@ACM.Org> References: <20010608055917.55314.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> <20010610100157.C28943@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010610101533.0080c290@pop.sprynet.com> At 11:56 AM 6/10/01 -0400, Paul H. Merrill wrote: >of types available is included. IOW the classic >fight between programmers and software engineers >goes on. Conjugate: I architect systems You engineer software They program From measl at mfn.org Sun Jun 10 08:42:03 2001 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:42:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Another point of the 14'ths "Due Process" and it's trumping... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > It's already trumped by a stronger requirement in the 5'th and 6'th, in > particular the 'compulsory process' clause of the 6'th. Not only are each > of us due, but government is REQUIRED to provide it under all criminal > cases involving $20 or more. Yeah. Go tell that to Jim Bell. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From announce at lga2.nytimes.com Sun Jun 10 08:01:47 2001 From: announce at lga2.nytimes.com (NYTimes.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 11:01:47 -0400 Subject: Find more of what's inside NYTimes.com Message-ID: <200106101758.f5AHwoB27945@rigel.cyberpass.net> Dear NYTimes.com Member, Thanks again for joining our community. This is the second (and last) e-mail introducing you to the features of our site. We hope that you are finding NYTimes.com to be an excellent source of insightful news coverage, in-depth analysis and the best in arts and entertainment. But we also know there are new and useful features on NYTimes.com that may not be immediately evident on our home page. Here are some of them: -- Choose from a wide selection of exclusive daily e-mail newsletters. 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Premium Crossword subscribers have access to today's New York Times puzzle and over 2,000 crossword puzzles for a $19.95 annual fee. Click here to enjoy 30 days free: http://www.nytimes.com/freepuzzles?cub Thanks again for your interest in NYTimes.com. To comment on any aspect of our site or services, feel free to write to us at comments at nytimes.com. We hope you'll make a point of visiting us today and every day. Sincerely, Bernard Gwertzman, Editor New York Times Digital ABOUT THIS E-MAIL ---- This is the second and final introductory e-mail you will receive. As a member of the BBBOnline Privacy Program and the TRUSTe privacy program, we are committed to protecting your privacy. Please send comments to comments at nytimes.com; do not reply directly to this e- mail. From PaulMerrill at acm.org Sun Jun 10 08:56:06 2001 From: PaulMerrill at acm.org (Paul H. Merrill) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 11:56:06 -0400 Subject: The Credentialling of America References: <20010608055917.55314.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> <20010610100157.C28943@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <3B239896.BB81989@ACM.Org> Development time is minor compared with the remainder of the life cycle. While hacking for personal use, the joys of assembler are sufficient for a limited number of users on a single machine (or at least machine type) but totally insufficient (read full rewrite) when the spread of types available is included. IOW the classic fight between programmers and software engineers goes on. PHM Declan McCullagh wrote: > > I have never programmed in VB, though I have written machine code. > Nowadays I do my work in Perl with some C and am quite happy. > > That said, I suspect you can craft some useful programs in VB, and if it > speeds development time without greatly influencing running time, why not > do it? I'm too cranky to get religious about these things any more. > > -Declan > > On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:59:17PM -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote: > > >And to never write the way poets do, oddballs do, gibbering > > >idiots do, for that will allegedly diminish the value of your > > >writing the way the payers want you to write, that is to > > > > The language is extremely powerful. Many do not realise that, so, to follow > > anon's analogy, VB-heads keep on droning correctly, and cannot even think > > outside microsoft-sponsored visual basic. For them it is the blessed and only > > way for their fucked audience to "understand" (and compiler to compile). > > > > They look down to snippets of machine code, which they cannot write, because > > for them the writing is equal to scripting microsoft's interpreter. I bet that > > many deny the very existance of assembly programs. > > > > But machine instructions can be really dangerous, they can fuck up the brain > > with new associations and synapses, and do things which VB-ers cannot dream of, > > literally. > > > > For writing VB-shit by pathetic "wordsmiths" is not really writing at all. It > > is just symbolic xeroxing of master's 5 commandments in 17 prescribed shades. > > Nothing can be said in VB, really. -- Paul H. Merrill, MCNE, MCSE+I, CISSP PaulMerrill at ACM.Org From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Sun Jun 10 03:37:34 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:37:34 +0200 Subject: References: <20010609124809.A26560@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <3B234DEE.4D2C44CD@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Declan McCullagh wrote: > > Really? It always struck me as that this list was a lot more about > vanity than getting things done. :) Apropos, I'm looking for full-duplex no-hassle crypto voice programs (preferably, for *nix) which would work on anything >200 MHz StrongARM and over wireless modem links. (It's in a wearable context). Apart from SpeakFreely (I'm not sure it's full duplex), any pointers? ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From declan at well.com Sun Jun 10 10:27:37 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 13:27:37 -0400 Subject: "This Is Your Brain On Cow" Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> http://www.madcowculture.com/madcow-00073.html Not surprisingly, the mad cow scare has gone underground and spawned a fan club that professes to live on the edge. Club members usually wear black, go to all-night clubs in Greenwich Village, and demonstrate courage by doing a line of cocaine. The new fad is a line of spine that involves inhaling through the nostrils a line of pulverized, powdered spine ostensibly from a really mad-cow cow. So pervasive is this practice that New York health officials have launched a television campaign called "This Is Your Brain On Cow," showing hapless young men and women braying at the moon. In a less dramatic manner some restaurants are simply adding a note of intrigue to expensive, bland menus. For example in Japan blowfish is considered a delicacy. However, it must be cooked properly or the consumer could die a very painful death. A similar practice is currently the rage in England where enterprising, risk-taking upper-class families actually seek out suspect meat for the Sunday roast claiming their pedigree will protect them. From PaulMerrill at acm.org Sun Jun 10 10:33:57 2001 From: PaulMerrill at acm.org (Paul H. Merrill) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 13:33:57 -0400 Subject: The Credentialling of America References: <20010608055917.55314.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> <20010610100157.C28943@cluebot.com> <3.0.6.32.20010610101533.0080c290@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3B23AF85.5A193D11@ACM.Org> Ever so true -- but now that I work at the system level rather than the code level I greatly prefer You to They. Makes my life ever so much better. PHM David Honig wrote: > > At 11:56 AM 6/10/01 -0400, Paul H. Merrill wrote: > >of types available is included. IOW the classic > >fight between programmers and software engineers > >goes on. > > Conjugate: > I architect systems > You engineer software > They program > > > > -- Paul H. Merrill, MCNE, MCSE+I, CISSP PaulMerrill at ACM.Org From gbnewby at ils.unc.edu Sun Jun 10 11:09:42 2001 From: gbnewby at ils.unc.edu (Greg Newby) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:09:42 -0400 Subject: "This Is Your Brain On Cow" In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com>; from declan@well.com on Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 01:27:37PM -0400 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <20010610140941.A212@ils.unc.edu> Aha, yes. Being a vegan, I don't need to worry about such things. I demonstrate my courage by snorting a line of caffeine, followed by some guacamole. If I'm feeling up to pushing the edge, I may use non-organically grown avocados. BTW, the "This Is Your Brain on Cow" ads, which I saw while in NYC recently, are done by McDonalds' advertising agency. Evidently, the real fear (but maybe this is just conspiracy theory) is that mad cow will become so popular that McDonalds will suffer lost revenues. This is because there are strict US FDA regulations concerning the use of infected beef in restaraunts, but they have little to say about what individuals in private homes eat. -- Greg PS: I hear that the Japan story is a hoax, as infected beef is almost impossible to get there. People pay money for the thrill, but are really just getting marinated chicken. On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 01:27:37PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > http://www.madcowculture.com/madcow-00073.html > > Not surprisingly, the mad cow scare has gone underground and spawned a fan > club that professes to live on the edge. Club members usually wear black, > go to all-night clubs in Greenwich Village, and demonstrate courage by > doing a line of cocaine. The new fad is a line of spine that involves > inhaling through the nostrils a line of pulverized, powdered spine > ostensibly from a really mad-cow cow. So pervasive is this practice that > New York health officials have launched a television campaign called "This > Is Your Brain On Cow," showing hapless young men and women braying at the moon. > > In a less dramatic manner some restaurants are simply adding a note of > intrigue to expensive, bland menus. For example in Japan blowfish is > considered a delicacy. However, it must be cooked properly or the consumer > could die a very painful death. > > A similar practice is currently the rage in England where enterprising, > risk-taking upper-class families actually seek out suspect meat for the > Sunday roast claiming their pedigree will protect them. From ravage at ssz.com Sun Jun 10 13:23:33 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 15:23:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Another point of the 14'ths "Due Process" and it's trumping... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 measl at mfn.org wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > > > It's already trumped by a stronger requirement in the 5'th and 6'th, in > > particular the 'compulsory process' clause of the 6'th. Not only are each > > of us due, but government is REQUIRED to provide it under all criminal > > cases involving $20 or more. > > Yeah. Go tell that to Jim Bell. What should be and what is are seldom the same, granted. Of course, that's one of the reasons this list exists, to bring them together (at least metaphoricaly). -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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From dog3 at charc.net Sun Jun 10 12:32:59 2001 From: dog3 at charc.net (cubic-dog) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 15:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010609195316.0080cdd0@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, David Honig wrote: > At 04:07 PM 6/8/01 -0700, Jonathan Wienke wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >I can fire 9 shots in about 4 seconds and stay in the 9 ring of a > >B-27 silhouette at 10 yards, and slow fire I can neatly remove the > >X-ring at the same distance...I don't think it would be a bad option > >against an armored opponent--2 in the body to knock them on their > > Yawn. Take off your glasses, shoot with your off-hand, at pigs > in flak, then talk to me. I'ma M1911 man myself. I have fired this weapon in question and found it quite agreeable. I was pretty amazed. I thought they were just toys for rich kids. However, if you need a rifle, take a rifle. For the bulk of that thing, might was well carry a carbine. From petro at bounty.org Sun Jun 10 16:50:11 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:50:11 -0700 Subject: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >the Cypherpunks list--a long way from "complete idiots." I relish Some would question that. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From petro at bounty.org Sun Jun 10 16:56:28 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:56:28 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: >At 11:53 AM 6/7/01 -0700, Jonathan Wienke wrote: >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>They used I.M.I. Desert Eagles chambered for .50 Action Express. I >>have one in .44 Magnum, made in Israel, imported by Magnum Research, >>Inc. > >Those are typical Hollywood guns, largely impractical. Cool looking, >certainly. > >Now a Barrett in .50... Is used as cool looking, and just as impractical for anything other than infrastructure hits. A .300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa will do 1000 to 1500 yard hits just as well, in a smaller, cheaper, easier to handle package. Anything past 800 to 1000 yards is luck and voodoo anyway. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From petro at bounty.org Sun Jun 10 17:11:01 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:11:01 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> References: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> Message-ID: First of all, turn off your stinking HTML. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I can fire 9 shots in about 4 seconds and stay in the 9 ring of a B-27 silhouette at 10 yards, and slow fire I can neatly remove the X-ring at the same distance...I don't think it would be a bad option against an armored opponent--2 in the body to knock them on their behind, then one more between the eyes to finish things. The only Secondly, if you think *ANY* firearm you can fire standing up will "Knock them on their behind", take a high school physics class. Short version: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Shorter version: Not going to happen with a cartridge pistol. Try doing it in the dark, engaging multiple opponents and holding a flashlight. The only good use for a pistol is to fight your way to a rifle. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From reeza at flex.com Sun Jun 10 20:14:38 2001 From: reeza at flex.com (Reese) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:14:38 -1000 Subject: "This Is Your Brain On Cow" In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010610185938.00808720@pop.sprynet.com> References: <20010610140941.A212@ils.unc.edu> <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010610171229.02edaec0@flex.com> At 03:59 PM 6/10/01, David Honig wrote: >At 02:09 PM 6/10/01 -0400, Greg Newby wrote: >>This is because there are strict US FDA regulations concerning the use >>of infected beef in restaraunts, but they have little to say about >>what individuals in private homes eat. >> > >Indeed there's been a few cases of something like BSE in Americans >who've eaten elk and / or deer. But since the infected aren't fed >back into the population, there's no way for it to spread. (E.g., >if it arises spontaneously now and then.) I'm on the Pro-Med list and if there were any positive link between eating BSE-infected deer or elk, they'd be talking about it there. They aren't. Currently, there is only a recommendation that hunters not eat brains or spinal cords. What is it you know or think you know, that they do not? Reese From reeza at flex.com Sun Jun 10 20:16:01 2001 From: reeza at flex.com (Reese) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:16:01 -1000 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010610192622.00812360@pop.sprynet.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010610171500.02eb9e60@flex.com> At 04:26 PM 6/10/01, David Honig wrote: >At 04:56 PM 6/10/01 -0700, petro wrote: >> >> A .300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa will do 1000 to 1500 yard hits >>just as well, in a smaller, cheaper, easier to handle package. > >In unknown wind? Ok. > >> Anything past 800 to 1000 yards is luck and voodoo anyway. > >Not me, but others, could contradict this by example. Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock had a confirmed kill with a Ma Deuce after mounting a scope atop it - 2500 yards. Reese From petro at bounty.org Sun Jun 10 17:17:34 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:17:34 -0700 Subject: Ian Grigg's Crypto Fiction Choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From: Matthew Gaylor >Subject: Ian Grigg's Crypto Fiction Choices >Cc: iang at systemics.com > >http://www.iang.org/crypto_fiction/ >A Fire Upon The Deep > >I think Vernor Vinge would have to be my favourite science fiction >author, just pipping out Stephenson. A Fire Upon The Deep is a tour >de force of 90's science fiction. > >It actually has very little crypto in it, so it is hard for me to >award it more than 3 bits of entropy. The main players ship out of a >port with a third part of a one time pad. The other two parts ship >via other means - a security precaution. > >The one time slice never makes it to its destination, but is used >later in a last ditch effort to establish comms with the good guys, >whilst being chased by the bad guys across the universe. > >This is not a funny book, but Vinge's humour comes through with a >single crypto joke which still makes me laugh. To enjoy the joke, >you'll have to buy the book. You missed "A Deepness in the Sky", written by Vinge, and published in 1999. Crypto plays an important part of the story, and, well, it's Vinge, it's worth a read. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From petro at bounty.org Sun Jun 10 17:29:07 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:29:07 -0700 Subject: creationists vs. reality In-Reply-To: <3B22E08D.60B2A459@prison.net> References: <3B22E08D.60B2A459@prison.net> Message-ID: >At 08:10 AM 6/9/01 -0700, A. Melon wrote: >>Check out "F*ck the Creationists" by MC Hawking: >>http://www.mchawking.com/music.html. >> >>You can lay the funky shit on them creationists. > >Why, when it only takes 4 muscles to pull a trigger, and >42 to frown? It takes more than 4 muscles to pull the trigger on even a well tuned sniper rifle--if you are doing it properly. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From reeza at flex.com Sun Jun 10 20:33:53 2001 From: reeza at flex.com (Reese) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:33:53 -1000 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010610192622.00812360@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010610192622.00812360@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010610173227.02eb8b10@flex.com> At 05:09 PM 6/10/01, petro wrote: > http://www.snipercentral.com/50bmg.htm > Also, read what he has to say on the .50BMG page about using >that round against human targets. It reads like "do as I say, not as I do." For extreme range, he doesn't say not to consider it WITH match grade ammo. Reese From bill.stewart at pobox.com Sun Jun 10 18:04:24 2001 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:04:24 -0700 Subject: "This Is Your Brain On Cow" In-Reply-To: <20010610140941.A212@ils.unc.edu> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010610180007.01b64300@idiom.com> At 02:09 PM 06/10/2001 -0400, Greg Newby wrote: >Aha, yes. Being a vegan, I don't need to worry about such things. I >demonstrate my courage by snorting a line of caffeine, followed by >some guacamole. An acquaintance of mine and his druggie friends decided that since many drugs have different effects depending on whether they're consumed in original plant form, refined powder, or smoked, they'd try smoking some caffeine pills. Crunched up their No-Doz, put it in their pipe and smoked it. ... Do not try this. ... Really. ... Everything caffeine does to you, the jitters, the headaches, etc., all at once in a big unpleasant rush... ... Stick to the brewed stuff. From petro at bounty.org Sun Jun 10 18:04:46 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:04:46 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <3B241260.402394AE@ameritech.net> References: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <3B241260.402394AE@ameritech.net> Message-ID: >petro wrote: > >> The only good use for a pistol is to fight your way to a rifle. >> -- > > True, except that it's not a good idea in most cities and towns to walk >around carrying a rifle. Or, maybe it is a *good* idea, but some people don't >like it. And then you're much more likely to have to use it when you really >didn't want to. Pistols are *handy*, but that doesn't mean they are a good tool for the job. They are, at best adequate. > Trust me, carry a pistol -- concealed --- everything will go much >better. And trying to carry something like a Desert Eagle concealed, in the >Summer wearing shorts and tanktop ain't easy. Life is full of conflicts like >this. Should I, or shouldn't I? I would, were I in Washington State, or any one of the 8 states that it has reciprocity with, carry my HK-p7. As it is, I live in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia, one of a minority of states whose citizens are too ignorant and untrustworthy to be allowed to carry a concealed weapon. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From honig at sprynet.com Sun Jun 10 18:59:38 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:59:38 -0700 Subject: "This Is Your Brain On Cow" In-Reply-To: <20010610140941.A212@ils.unc.edu> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010610185938.00808720@pop.sprynet.com> At 02:09 PM 6/10/01 -0400, Greg Newby wrote: >This is because there are strict US FDA regulations concerning the use >of infected beef in restaraunts, but they have little to say about >what individuals in private homes eat. > Indeed there's been a few cases of something like BSE in Americans who've eaten elk and / or deer. But since the infected aren't fed back into the population, there's no way for it to spread. (E.g., if it arises spontaneously now and then.) Grass-eaters are not carnivores, much less cannibals, in the wild. By definition. From honig at sprynet.com Sun Jun 10 19:26:22 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:26:22 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010610192622.00812360@pop.sprynet.com> At 04:56 PM 6/10/01 -0700, petro wrote: > > A .300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa will do 1000 to 1500 yard hits >just as well, in a smaller, cheaper, easier to handle package. In unknown wind? Ok. > Anything past 800 to 1000 yards is luck and voodoo anyway. Not me, but others, could contradict this by example. From honig at sprynet.com Sun Jun 10 19:33:21 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:33:21 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: References: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> At 05:11 PM 6/10/01 -0700, petro wrote: > > Secondly, if you think *ANY* firearm you can fire standing up >will "Knock them on their behind", take a high school physics class. > Well said, but: In _The Irish War_ there's a description of IRA improvised recoilless 'rifles' which, like their .mil-industrial analogues, toss an equal mass out the back end. The reacting countermass is a bunch of flakes which dissipate the KE against the atmosphere. [Ie, consider a barrel open at both ends. Put missile, charge, countermass flakes in that order. Point missile at thing you don't like, and keep friendlies a few meters away from the countermass ejection end of the barrel.] ........ That said, an (e.g.) hip or knee shot on a biped will cause it to fall approximately back if the posture is right. That also is just the physics of actively balanced inverted pendula, biomechanics. Cheers, dh From hseaver at ameritech.net Sun Jun 10 17:36:06 2001 From: hseaver at ameritech.net (Harmon Seaver) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:36:06 -0500 Subject: Automatic's References: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> Message-ID: <3B241260.402394AE@ameritech.net> petro wrote: > The only good use for a pistol is to fight your way to a rifle. > -- True, except that it's not a good idea in most cities and towns to walk around carrying a rifle. Or, maybe it is a *good* idea, but some people don't like it. And then you're much more likely to have to use it when you really didn't want to. Trust me, carry a pistol -- concealed --- everything will go much better. And trying to carry something like a Desert Eagle concealed, in the Summer wearing shorts and tanktop ain't easy. Life is full of conflicts like this. Should I, or shouldn't I? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver at cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver at ameritech.net From petro at bounty.org Sun Jun 10 20:09:55 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:09:55 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010610192622.00812360@pop.sprynet.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010610192622.00812360@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: >At 04:56 PM 6/10/01 -0700, petro wrote: >> >> A .300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa will do 1000 to 1500 yard hits >>just as well, in a smaller, cheaper, easier to handle package. > >In unknown wind? Ok. At 1000 to 1500 yards you don't shoot in "unknown wind", you watch everything *very* carefully. Even that big ass .50 cal is going to be blown around a bit by an errant breeze, and at 3000 to 4500 feet, there are a lot of errant breezes on anything but the flattest, most open terrain. >> Anything past 800 to 1000 yards is luck and voodoo anyway. > >Not me, but others, could contradict this by example. There are so few who can hit the kinds of targets we are talking about at those ranges that it is functionally voodoo. When you get past 1k, you get massive bullet drop and even a minor wind difference can push your bullet off course, take a look at these bullet drop tables: http://www.snipercentral.com/50bmg.htm http://www.snipercentral.com/338.htm http://www.snipercentral.com/300.htm http://www.snipercentral.com/308.htm Look at how fast the bullets are dropping at 1k yards. There is an especially nice chart on the .338 page that graphically compares the four rounds. When you couple bullet drop with (in a sniper/marksman scenario) even the *slightest* unknown elevation changes, it becomes *very* *very* difficult to hit reliably hit a "bravo" sized and shaped target. When you factor in time-to-target (over a second at those ranges) it becomes even more voodoo. Then remember you've got *one* shot to hit. That first cold barrelled shot is either going to hit, or alert your target you are there. Sure, it can be done. With lots of training, luck and voodoo. Also, read what he has to say on the .50BMG page about using that round against human targets. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From measl at mfn.org Sun Jun 10 18:14:54 2001 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:14:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <3B241260.402394AE@ameritech.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Trust me, carry a pistol -- concealed --- everything will go much > better. And trying to carry something like a Desert Eagle concealed, in the > Summer wearing shorts and tanktop ain't easy. Life is full of conflicts like > this. Should I, or shouldn't I? You *should*. But you should also lose the shorts and tank: it's much easier to properly CCW in slightly heavier clothes ;-) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From petro at bounty.org Sun Jun 10 20:19:47 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:19:47 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> References: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: >At 05:11 PM 6/10/01 -0700, petro wrote: >> >> Secondly, if you think *ANY* firearm you can fire standing up >>will "Knock them on their behind", take a high school physics class. >> > >Well said, but: >In _The Irish War_ there's a description of IRA improvised recoilless >'rifles' which, like their .mil-industrial analogues, toss an equal >mass out the back end. The reacting countermass is a bunch of flakes >which dissipate the KE against the atmosphere. Sure, but that isn't a cartridge based pistol, which is what we were talking about. There are also "gyro-jet" type munitions, which aren't all that accurate, but can pack a greater punch because they do some or all of their accelerating post-barrel. >[Ie, consider a barrel open at both ends. Put missile, charge, countermass >flakes in that order. Point missile at thing you don't like, and keep >friendlies a few meters away from the countermass ejection end of the barrel.] Given that your average pistol fight takes place inside 3 or 4 meters, that could prove tough. >That said, an (e.g.) hip or knee shot on a biped will cause it to fall >approximately >back if the posture is right. That also is just the physics of actively >balanced inverted pendula, biomechanics. Knee shots, yes. But if you are that good, might as well go for the triangle formed by the top center of the lip and the eyebrow ridges. That *WILL* cause the target to collapse with anything over a .22LR, and if you get an eye will 100% guarenteed stop the fight (with that individual) now. Only one person has survived a shot (by a firearm) to the eye, and she's been on life support since she was hit by a .22. As for the hip, it's a large and relatively porus bone. There have been a few cases where hip shots have failed to drop an attacker because the bullet just punched a hole, failing to fracture the hip. Heart/lung shots and brain shots tend to be your best bet with a pistol. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From iang at kostunrix.cryptohill.net Sun Jun 10 18:42:55 2001 From: iang at kostunrix.cryptohill.net (Ian Grigg) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:42:55 -0400 (AST) Subject: interview Message-ID: Freematt asks question 1: How do you describe yourself? What is your world view? Ian Grigg responds: I'm not sure how a paragraph could do justice to that question! I'm Australian by passport, although I consider that to be just part of the mix these days. I've lived for many years in Spain, Amsterdam, Britain, and now in Anguilla. Each has its own perspective, although Spain had the greatest formative influence on me in my adult years. ---------------------------------------------------------- Freematt asks question 2: How have thinkers such as Menger, Von Mises, and or Hayek influenced your thinking? Are there any fiction books that have had an impact on your ideas? Ian Grigg responds: Von Mises is a hazy influence. His writings are hard to get to, unlike Hayek, who is accessible to someone without an obsession with deep economic thought. Mises came with two big ideas that I've found central. One is the calculation argument, wherein he argued that central planning could not work on any large scale, simply because there is no way to calculate the outputs from the number of inputs. He said that Moscow needed too big a computer, and he was eventually proven right. Hayek believed that the market was about information. In Misian terms, Hayek's market is the great big free computer that saves us from central planning. The other big idea is that Mises questioned why it is that we believe the government could solve problems. Take a complex situation, and decide as a populace to have the government sort it out. Well, he questions why it is that we believe that the government would have the tools to do that? Is it that we believe that the government is somehow smarter than us? Are they better educated? In some sense are they capable of being more objective, more fair, more beneficial? The answer to all of those is no. Government people are generally not smarter, if anything, the converse, smart people make more money in industry. Better educated? Not really. More objective? Fair? All of these things are just too impossible for words; as what is fair to one is inequitable to another. When you think in those sort of Misian terms, it really is a bad idea to pass the buck to government. We have to sort out the problems ourselves. And, with government, probably the best we can hope for is an honest bureaucracy. Hernando de Soto has done some good work in Peru with the measurement of corruption and costs in starting firms. Harvard economists took his idea and measured it across 75 countries and are now providing the data to support a whole new view of government and bureacracy: that it grows to create tollways, create chances for private benefit out of public power. We used to think that regulation was a barrier to entry, that it arose to create easy conditions for big players. Now, we're seeing some good data that supports the view that these barriers are their for the ones who erect the barriers. All of this thinking is coming out of Mises and Hayek. If the market is so good, why do we have such big governments? It's no longer a libertarian or crackpot debate, the serious part of economic thought is looking at these questions deeply. There's a long way to go -- the Harvard work assumes too much when it measures the formal economy and not the informal -- but we are seeing a great change coming. Out of Hayek, out of Mises. ---------------------------------------------------------- Freematt asks question 3: Do you still think financial crypto depends on cryptography, software engineering, rights management, accounting, governance, value, and finance? Ian Grigg responds: Sure! Well, it's a model, it's a simplification. There are other things that go in there. Since I presented that paper in 2000, I've not heard any serious criticisms or ommissions. On the other hand, this is only a small field, there aren't that many companies or people actually testing and advancing the art. We've only had two successes in the field of FC so far, being the PayPal and e-gold experiences. So there's not a lot of hard data to go on. I think we are still at the point where we can compare and contrast using the model, but we can't condemn. The lower layers are better done in e-gold, but it's always been clear that PayPal understand the application better, that part that I called the Finance layer. ---------------------------------------------------------- Freematt asks question 4: Are truly anonymous electronic cash systems the future or do you see governments viewing them as too threatening to the health of the state and too easy for untraceable blackmail, extortion, money laundering and asset protection? Ian Grigg responds: The public perception of the "truly anonymous electronic cash system" is a little rosy. There are problems with that. Every money system has inbuilt protections against what we call "the bank robbery problem." No matter how we secure the system, we as builders have to deal with the fact that we will be forced to turn over the keys, the data, the money, some how some day. Most of the knowledge of this is internalised or lost to the current financial system. It's like trying to ask a banker what banking is, very few of them have the first idea. How do we cope with a system where one key can sign over millions of dollars on demand? Or the smart card world's nemesis, the evergreen card that keeps debiting, debiting, debiting? The answer is in a series of defenses, in a practical layered defence rather than the one-big-idea approach that is the espoused by the blinded school. That means we build in the defences up front that we can, but we also assume that it is going to happen one day, so we build in the back up plans or the contingency plans. Mondex did it for their cards, they called it the meltdown scenario. One of their ideas was that they could send signals out to all the cards and have the cards switch algorithms, thus anticipating a crack. Technically, I think that's a bad idea, but they thought about it, that's the important thing. However you do it, a survivable system for money has to have an ability to open up under system-threatening circumstances. What's the point in having truly anonymous cash if the cash suddenly becomes worthless because the issuer goes broke redeeming the stolen float? For all the brave ideas of those who write about freedom, anonymous trading, ownership, that all goes to pot the moment the consumer realises that the system itself cannot survive. A system has to survive, elsewise it's not money. But, if you make the system openable, this will result in a privacy breach for the average user. So, the trick is to make it costly. Come up with something that costs so much that fishing trips are not plausible. Something that assists good detective work, but doesn't obviate the need for good detectives, doesn't assist the current pass-the-buck philosophy so comfortably prevalent in financial crime circles. At Systemics we do it with a hybrid system of nymous light-weight accounts. The nymous approach implies that we can trace every transaction in the system, but we cannot identify who is doing what. That's very powerful -- I can see that you might be spending 10c followed by $1000, or whatever, I just don't know who you are. Without some other, contributory information, your 10c is just like any other 10c, and a certain pattern of expenditure is just some random walk in the transactions of life. But, when someone busts in and holds my daughter to ransom, demanding the keys or an account stuffed with booty, we can simply hand it over. No fear. When the dust settles, we'll start the detective work and trace that value wheresoever it went. I'd feel comfortable about having a daughter under those circumstances, but if I was guarding the keys to a fully anonymous system, then I'd rather not have any external stimuli attached to me at all! ---------------------------------------------------------- Freematt asks question 5: Which nations do you think are the most free and do you think borders will be more or less important in the future? Ian Grigg responds: It's a tough question. I hear over and over again that the US is the most free, and that the rich countries are free because they are rich. Or some such. That view troubles me. How can you consider a country free when they hold jurisdiction over you wherever you are? The US is so powerful, the brand is so dominating, that they can stand alone in the taxation world and insist that their citizens file for taxes wherever they are. That's not freedom to me. Where it takes you 10 years to leave the country? My neighbour gave up his passport for crypto reasons, he's got another 8 years or so before they release their hooks. There was a wave of legislation in the early 90s whereby you couldn't leave the country if you were in some way suspect. In Australia it was the deadbeat dads; a database of fathers with responsibilities stopped these people leaving the country. That's not freedom. Freedom is the right to cast aside your responsibilities, leave the country and set up in a new land, a long long way away. It was this freedom that created most of the new countries; waves of immigration were perceived to be a new life and a new workforce for growing nations, but that's only the pretty side of the coin. On the other side, those people made the judgement that the time had come to cast aside the taught view of responsibility. As a society, we have to allow the escape valve to exist, elsewise we abrogate our humanity. Only the individual knows when it is a lost cause, only he or she knows that it's time to start over again with a new life. ---------------------------------------------------------- Freematt asks question 6: What exactly does your company systemics.com sell? Ian Grigg responds: Systemics primarily licenses its Ricardo Issuance Server, which is a product that you can use to issue and run an Internet currency. Or a share, bond or other fungible thing of value. The client side is the WebFunds.org open source group, and program, that we are setting up. Systemics tries to make money on the issuance side, and we encourage all of our issuer customers to pitch in and improve the software on the user side. We also sell some applications. The design goals for our value architecture, Ricardo, was to support the specific application of financial trading. The buying and selling of stocks, bonds, and other things. We have an exchange and a user plugin to WebFunds which enables those things. For retail, we're working with Intertrader, a Scottish company that provides interfaces for facilitating transactions. They hope to demonstrate at the Edinburgh Financial Cryptography Engineering conference in a couple of weeks, we're hoping to see a seamless transaction flow from retail side, into the financial system and out again, back into the retail side. All crossing from one payment system to another. ---------------------------------------------------------- Freematt asks question 7: Where do you see yourself in ten years? What do you want to accomplish both personally and professionally? Ian Grigg responds: I want to see this financial system built. For that, we need partners, lots of them, all acting as equals, as peers. Intertrader is a good example. Their area is in facilitation software for other people's transactions, our area is in the primary transactions for trading. Neither of us wants the other's patch, so we can work together on a range of projects without egos and greed getting in the way. We need other partners that want to issue. The Hansa Bank, here in Anguilla, issues our Ricardian dollar. We'll do the technology, they do the contract that the users rely upon. That's really as far as Hansa is prepared to go for the moment, which is a double-plus for us. Firstly, we get that critical money instrument, and secondly, they are minding their knitting, not trying to create a franchise in wool supply. We're in the process of creating independantly issued instruments for trading. Some of the most exciting opportunities is based on the work I mentioned above by Hernando de Soto. We're looking to take our efficient trading and value management into one of the world's most inefficient but far-reaching financial systems, that of microfinance. I can't really talk about the details, they are still under wraps, but I can talk about the obvious parts. At the moment, microfinance is based on huge chains of volunteer or otherwise soft labour. Hundreds and hundreds of transactions are needed to get a circle of five their first loan, in western terms, the first ten transactions would swallow the principal, let alone any return on investment. We aim to change all that, by giving them transactions and financial industry techniques that work at their level. To know that the ideas that we developed are pushing capital out to small villages, that's a challenge! Where I can get a $2 transaction in 100 milliseconds and $10 trade in less than a second, efficiently. And, do all this into a place where it would take me 5 days to get there physically; places with just a single PC and a satellite dish, but with a repressed urge to work and work and honestly build their way up and out. Knowing that our ideas helped that, that's where I want to be in 10 years. -- iang ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. 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Each has its own perspective, although Spain had the greatest formative influence on me in my adult years. ---------------------------------------------------------- Freematt asks question 2: How have thinkers such as Menger, Von Mises, and or Hayek influenced your thinking? Are there any fiction books that have had an impact on your ideas? Ian Grigg responds: Von Mises is a hazy influence. His writings are hard to get to, unlike Hayek, who is accessible to someone without an obsession with deep economic thought. Mises came with two big ideas that I've found central. One is the calculation argument, wherein he argued that central planning could not work on any large scale, simply because there is no way to calculate the outputs from the number of inputs. He said that Moscow needed too big a computer, and he was eventually proven right. Hayek believed that the market was about information. In Misian terms, Hayek's market is the great big free computer that saves us from central planning. The other big idea is that Mises questioned why it is that we believe the government could solve problems. Take a complex situation, and decide as a populace to have the government sort it out. Well, he questions why it is that we believe that the government would have the tools to do that? Is it that we believe that the government is somehow smarter than us? Are they better educated? In some sense are they capable of being more objective, more fair, more beneficial? The answer to all of those is no. Government people are generally not smarter, if anything, the converse, smart people make more money in industry. Better educated? Not really. More objective? Fair? All of these things are just too impossible for words; as what is fair to one is inequitable to another. When you think in those sort of Misian terms, it really is a bad idea to pass the buck to government. We have to sort out the problems ourselves. And, with government, probably the best we can hope for is an honest bureaucracy. Hernando de Soto has done some good work in Peru with the measurement of corruption and costs in starting firms. Harvard economists took his idea and measured it across 75 countries and are now providing the data to support a whole new view of government and bureacracy: that it grows to create tollways, create chances for private benefit out of public power. We used to think that regulation was a barrier to entry, that it arose to create easy conditions for big players. Now, we're seeing some good data that supports the view that these barriers are their for the ones who erect the barriers. All of this thinking is coming out of Mises and Hayek. If the market is so good, why do we have such big governments? It's no longer a libertarian or crackpot debate, the serious part of economic thought is looking at these questions deeply. There's a long way to go -- the Harvard work assumes too much when it measures the formal economy and not the informal -- but we are seeing a great change coming. Out of Hayek, out of Mises. ---------------------------------------------------------- Freematt asks question 3: Do you still think financial crypto depends on cryptography, software engineering, rights management, accounting, governance, value, and finance? Ian Grigg responds: Sure! Well, it's a model, it's a simplification. There are other things that go in there. Since I presented that paper in 2000, I've not heard any serious criticisms or ommissions. On the other hand, this is only a small field, there aren't that many companies or people actually testing and advancing the art. We've only had two successes in the field of FC so far, being the PayPal and e-gold experiences. So there's not a lot of hard data to go on. I think we are still at the point where we can compare and contrast using the model, but we can't condemn. The lower layers are better done in e-gold, but it's always been clear that PayPal understand the application better, that part that I called the Finance layer. ---------------------------------------------------------- Freematt asks question 4: Are truly anonymous electronic cash systems the future or do you see governments viewing them as too threatening to the health of the state and too easy for untraceable blackmail, extortion, money laundering and asset protection? Ian Grigg responds: The public perception of the "truly anonymous electronic cash system" is a little rosy. There are problems with that. Every money system has inbuilt protections against what we call "the bank robbery problem." No matter how we secure the system, we as builders have to deal with the fact that we will be forced to turn over the keys, the data, the money, some how some day. Most of the knowledge of this is internalised or lost to the current financial system. It's like trying to ask a banker what banking is, very few of them have the first idea. How do we cope with a system where one key can sign over millions of dollars on demand? Or the smart card world's nemesis, the evergreen card that keeps debiting, debiting, debiting? The answer is in a series of defenses, in a practical layered defence rather than the one-big-idea approach that is the espoused by the blinded school. That means we build in the defences up front that we can, but we also assume that it is going to happen one day, so we build in the back up plans or the contingency plans. Mondex did it for their cards, they called it the meltdown scenario. One of their ideas was that they could send signals out to all the cards and have the cards switch algorithms, thus anticipating a crack. Technically, I think that's a bad idea, but they thought about it, that's the important thing. However you do it, a survivable system for money has to have an ability to open up under system-threatening circumstances. What's the point in having truly anonymous cash if the cash suddenly becomes worthless because the issuer goes broke redeeming the stolen float? For all the brave ideas of those who write about freedom, anonymous trading, ownership, that all goes to pot the moment the consumer realises that the system itself cannot survive. A system has to survive, elsewise it's not money. But, if you make the system openable, this will result in a privacy breach for the average user. So, the trick is to make it costly. Come up with something that costs so much that fishing trips are not plausible. Something that assists good detective work, but doesn't obviate the need for good detectives, doesn't assist the current pass-the-buck philosophy so comfortably prevalent in financial crime circles. At Systemics we do it with a hybrid system of nymous light-weight accounts. The nymous approach implies that we can trace every transaction in the system, but we cannot identify who is doing what. That's very powerful -- I can see that you might be spending 10c followed by $1000, or whatever, I just don't know who you are. Without some other, contributory information, your 10c is just like any other 10c, and a certain pattern of expenditure is just some random walk in the transactions of life. But, when someone busts in and holds my daughter to ransom, demanding the keys or an account stuffed with booty, we can simply hand it over. No fear. When the dust settles, we'll start the detective work and trace that value wheresoever it went. I'd feel comfortable about having a daughter under those circumstances, but if I was guarding the keys to a fully anonymous system, then I'd rather not have any external stimuli attached to me at all! ---------------------------------------------------------- Freematt asks question 5: Which nations do you think are the most free and do you think borders will be more or less important in the future? Ian Grigg responds: It's a tough question. I hear over and over again that the US is the most free, and that the rich countries are free because they are rich. Or some such. That view troubles me. How can you consider a country free when they hold jurisdiction over you wherever you are? The US is so powerful, the brand is so dominating, that they can stand alone in the taxation world and insist that their citizens file for taxes wherever they are. That's not freedom to me. Where it takes you 10 years to leave the country? My neighbour gave up his passport for crypto reasons, he's got another 8 years or so before they release their hooks. There was a wave of legislation in the early 90s whereby you couldn't leave the country if you were in some way suspect. In Australia it was the deadbeat dads; a database of fathers with responsibilities stopped these people leaving the country. That's not freedom. Freedom is the right to cast aside your responsibilities, leave the country and set up in a new land, a long long way away. It was this freedom that created most of the new countries; waves of immigration were perceived to be a new life and a new workforce for growing nations, but that's only the pretty side of the coin. On the other side, those people made the judgement that the time had come to cast aside the taught view of responsibility. As a society, we have to allow the escape valve to exist, elsewise we abrogate our humanity. Only the individual knows when it is a lost cause, only he or she knows that it's time to start over again with a new life. ---------------------------------------------------------- Freematt asks question 6: What exactly does your company systemics.com sell? Ian Grigg responds: Systemics primarily licenses its Ricardo Issuance Server, which is a product that you can use to issue and run an Internet currency. Or a share, bond or other fungible thing of value. The client side is the WebFunds.org open source group, and program, that we are setting up. Systemics tries to make money on the issuance side, and we encourage all of our issuer customers to pitch in and improve the software on the user side. We also sell some applications. The design goals for our value architecture, Ricardo, was to support the specific application of financial trading. The buying and selling of stocks, bonds, and other things. We have an exchange and a user plugin to WebFunds which enables those things. For retail, we're working with Intertrader, a Scottish company that provides interfaces for facilitating transactions. They hope to demonstrate at the Edinburgh Financial Cryptography Engineering conference in a couple of weeks, we're hoping to see a seamless transaction flow from retail side, into the financial system and out again, back into the retail side. All crossing from one payment system to another. ---------------------------------------------------------- Freematt asks question 7: Where do you see yourself in ten years? What do you want to accomplish both personally and professionally? Ian Grigg responds: I want to see this financial system built. For that, we need partners, lots of them, all acting as equals, as peers. Intertrader is a good example. Their area is in facilitation software for other people's transactions, our area is in the primary transactions for trading. Neither of us wants the other's patch, so we can work together on a range of projects without egos and greed getting in the way. We need other partners that want to issue. The Hansa Bank, here in Anguilla, issues our Ricardian dollar. We'll do the technology, they do the contract that the users rely upon. That's really as far as Hansa is prepared to go for the moment, which is a double-plus for us. Firstly, we get that critical money instrument, and secondly, they are minding their knitting, not trying to create a franchise in wool supply. We're in the process of creating independantly issued instruments for trading. Some of the most exciting opportunities is based on the work I mentioned above by Hernando de Soto. We're looking to take our efficient trading and value management into one of the world's most inefficient but far-reaching financial systems, that of microfinance. I can't really talk about the details, they are still under wraps, but I can talk about the obvious parts. At the moment, microfinance is based on huge chains of volunteer or otherwise soft labour. Hundreds and hundreds of transactions are needed to get a circle of five their first loan, in western terms, the first ten transactions would swallow the principal, let alone any return on investment. We aim to change all that, by giving them transactions and financial industry techniques that work at their level. To know that the ideas that we developed are pushing capital out to small villages, that's a challenge! Where I can get a $2 transaction in 100 milliseconds and $10 trade in less than a second, efficiently. And, do all this into a place where it would take me 5 days to get there physically; places with just a single PC and a satellite dish, but with a repressed urge to work and work and honestly build their way up and out. Knowing that our ideas helped that, that's where I want to be in 10 years. -- iang ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. 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From JonathanW at gbgcorp.com Sun Jun 10 22:03:12 2001 From: JonathanW at gbgcorp.com (Jonathan Wienke) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:03:12 -0700 Subject: Automatic's Message-ID: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775C@MISSERVER> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I also own a Para-Ordnance P10, a subcompact 1911 variant with a 3-inch barrel, a 2 finger grip (unless you have the Pearce magazine floorplates with the pinkie rest) and a 10-round magazine. I am fond of it, and can shoot approximately 2" groups with it at 10 yards. I think it would be a decent choice for general self-defense, but I wouldn't really want to use it against an armored opponent since a .45 ACP's relatively low velocity and large frontal area equate to poor armor penetration. It is certainly lighter and more concealable than my Desert Eagle, though. Of course a MAK-90 with a 75-round drum has merit in a scenario involving armored home invaders... - -----Original Message----- From: cubic-dog [mailto:dog3 at charc.net] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:33 PM To: cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com Subject: Re: CDR: RE: Automatic's On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, David Honig wrote: > At 04:07 PM 6/8/01 -0700, Jonathan Wienke wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >I can fire 9 shots in about 4 seconds and stay in the 9 ring of a > >B-27 silhouette at 10 yards, and slow fire I can neatly remove the > >X-ring at the same distance...I don't think it would be a bad > >option against an armored opponent--2 in the body to knock them on > >their > > Yawn. Take off your glasses, shoot with your off-hand, at pigs > in flak, then talk to me. I'ma M1911 man myself. I have fired this weapon in question and found it quite agreeable. I was pretty amazed. I thought they were just toys for rich kids. 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From petro at bounty.org Sun Jun 10 22:32:14 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:32:14 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >it's not that difficult to get a CCW in California if you are willing to go >to the effort required. Give me a call if you want more info. I know the effort required: (1) Make a significant campaign donation to your local Sheriff or CLEO. (2) "Establish Residency" in one of the four or five counties where the local CLEO operates on a "Shall Issue" basis. (3) Become a reserve officer in a local PD that grants off-duty carry. I am morally opposed to (1) even if I did have the money. As to (2), I don't have the money. (3) is doable, and has other benefits (you get access to LEO only training classes at places like Gunsite, Thunder Ranch and AWT), but I don't have the time or money. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From petro at bounty.org Sun Jun 10 23:08:19 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:08:19 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010610173227.02eb8b10@flex.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010610192622.00812360@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010610192622.00812360@pop.sprynet.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010610173227.02eb8b10@flex.com> Message-ID: >At 05:09 PM 6/10/01, petro wrote: > >> http://www.snipercentral.com/50bmg.htm > > >> Also, read what he has to say on the .50BMG page about using >>that round against human targets. > >It reads like "do as I say, not as I do." > >For extreme range, he doesn't say not to consider it WITH match grade ammo. Whatever. Dream your dreams, live your fantasies. Then go to the range and try it. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From petro at bounty.org Sun Jun 10 23:09:41 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:09:41 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops, that was supposed to only go to the original sender, it was private email. I screw up. Sorry. >>it's not that difficult to get a CCW in California if you are willing to go >>to the effort required. Give me a call if you want more info. > > I know the effort required: > > (1) Make a significant campaign donation to your local Sheriff or CLEO. > (2) "Establish Residency" in one of the four or five counties >where the local CLEO operates on a "Shall Issue" basis. > (3) Become a reserve officer in a local PD that grants off-duty carry. > > I am morally opposed to (1) even if I did have the money. As >to (2), I don't have the money. (3) is doable, and has other >benefits (you get access to LEO only training classes at places like >Gunsite, Thunder Ranch and AWT), but I don't have the time or money. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From schear at lvcm.com Sun Jun 10 23:23:03 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:23:03 -0700 Subject: Substantive Due Process In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010610230638.03382f60@pop3.lvcm.com> At 12:54 AM 6/10/2001 -0400, you wrote: >The problem with the due "Process Clause" is it injects a false distinction >with respect to 'types' of rights. See the first two sentences of the DoI >for a clarification of the only operable definition of 'right' acceptable in > > >I'm going to have to admit that I've pretty much lost the thread of the >argument here- I'm just trying to point out that under the incorperation >doctrine, the 14th amendment has been used to expand the bill of rights to >apply to the states. No, the constitution doesn't explicitly state this. But >the supreme court says that it is part of the constitution, which pretty much >makes it so (yes, there are some important legal distinctions between court >opinions and the Constitution itself, but for the most part, they function as >the same thing, with the opinions footnoting the Constitution). It is accepted jurisprudence that one is not required to obey unconstitutional laws. Of course, one can be incarcerated for failing to do so until one is able to prevail in court. As has been pointed out many times on this list, a number of significant SC decisions (e.g., Commerce Clause as a basis for much of Federal law) appear to fly in the face of a plain reading of the Constitution and its reasonable interpretation from historical documents (e.g., Madison's excellent notes during the constitutional convention). Since FDR the SC has generally supported expansion of federal authority at the expense of State and individual rights. 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To be removed from this list please put REMOVE in the subject and return From info at bhnutritionals.com Sun Jun 10 23:33:18 2001 From: info at bhnutritionals.com (info at bhnutritionals.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:33:18 Subject: HOLLYWOOD GOES MLM (1-800-746-1619) Message-ID: <200106110438.XAA15895@einstein.ssz.com> Pre-Launch starts 6-1-01 Beverly Hills Nutritionals 48 Hour Miracle Diet Health Product of the decade Free Web site and hosting Call: 1-800-746-1619 (Recorded Message) FOD: 1-403-934-6061 (Code: 675501) HTTP://EXPAGE.COM/BEVERLYHILLSNUTRITIONALS From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Sun Jun 10 14:50:22 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:50:22 +0200 Subject: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010609145309.00cb5da0@flex.com> Message-ID: <3B23EB9E.CA4D57C1@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Reese wrote: > > At 07:09 AM 6/9/01, John Yeomans wrote: > > Send me the instructions to make a stink bomb > > please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Follow the recipe below, consume, and wait. > > Take: http://www.calpoly.edu/~drjones/CW00/Nerve2000/synthesis_of_vx.html -- Eugen* Leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From tcmay at got.net Mon Jun 11 00:46:31 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 00:46:31 -0700 Subject: Automatics In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> References: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: ("Automatic's" in thread name changed to "Automatics" for obvious reasons.) At 7:33 PM -0700 6/10/01, David Honig wrote: >At 05:11 PM 6/10/01 -0700, petro wrote: >> >> Secondly, if you think *ANY* firearm you can fire standing up >>will "Knock them on their behind", take a high school physics class. >> > >Well said, but: >In _The Irish War_ there's a description of IRA improvised recoilless >'rifles' which, like their .mil-industrial analogues, toss an equal >mass out the back end. The reacting countermass is a bunch of flakes >which dissipate the KE against the atmosphere. > >[Ie, consider a barrel open at both ends. Put missile, charge, countermass >flakes in that order. Point missile at thing you don't like, and keep >friendlies a few meters away from the countermass ejection end of the barrel.] > >........ > >That said, an (e.g.) hip or knee shot on a biped will cause it to fall >approximately >back if the posture is right. That also is just the physics of actively >balanced inverted pendula, biomechanics. Speaking of physics, your physics is out of whack. For the recoilless rifle described above, there is no need to "dissipate the KE" of the flakes or anything else! Once the flakes (or whatever) are propelled backward, it doesn't matter whether they flutter in the wind or fly to China. (This is all very similar to the common misconception that rockets "push" on the atmosphere as they expel exhaust particles. They don't.) And KE (kinetic energy, for anyone just joining in and wondering) is not what matters for recoil calculations. Momentum, MV, is what matters. How this Irish makeshift recoilless rifle actually works is unknown to me, but the dissipation of KE by the chaff is not germane. The expulsions of some mass (M) at some velocity (V) is germane, as above, but not the way the mass behaves once it has been propelled backward. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay at got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns From tcmay at got.net Mon Jun 11 00:55:15 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 00:55:15 -0700 Subject: Social Security Numbers and health insurance In-Reply-To: <20010611034701.26587.qmail@sidereal.kz> References: <20010611034701.26587.qmail@sidereal.kz> Message-ID: At 3:47 AM +0000 6/11/01, Dr. Evil wrote: >I need to sign up for health insurance tomorrow. I'm going to buy >individual coverage from Kaiser. On their form, it asks for an SSN, >of course. > >Well, Kaiser is not a government agency, and is certainly not >associated with the Social Security Adminisrtation in any way, so they >have no legitimate need for my SSN, and I don't want to give it to >them. Then don't give it to them. You can refuse to supply the number, they can refuse to sell you a policy, and you can both walk away. >I'm wondering how best to go about doing this: > >1. I could make up an SSN and give it to them. I basically just have > to make sure it's one that hasn't been taken, and corresponds to my > real birth county, right? This would be contract fraud. When they ultimately detect it, they will have grounds for extreme actions. > >2. I could say that I don't have an SSN. Most people in the world > don't have SSNs. Would they then require proof that I'm not a US > citizen? Or will they just assign me some kind of policy number? > That would be ideal. Those who are not U.S. citizens but who work in the U.S. are still required to have taxpayer identification numbers. If you claim you are a tourist just visiting the U.S. with no intention of working or investing, they may assign you a number IF they decide to take your business. If they determine you lied to them, see above about the extreme actions. >3. I could refuse to give it to them, but I think they would probably > then refuse to give me coverage. Indeed, their selling you a policy is not required. > >Any thoughts? I have absolutely no health problems that I'm aware of, >and I'm not trying to hide any pre-existing condition, and my only >medical records are things which say, "he's healthy", so I'm not >trying to commit any kind of fraud here, I just want my privacy. Then deal with an insurance company which doesn't require SSNs. If you cannot find one, too bad. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay at got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns From tcmay at got.net Mon Jun 11 01:06:43 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 01:06:43 -0700 Subject: Automatics In-Reply-To: <008501c0f242$1ef8f790$03d36b3f@pacer.com> References: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> <008501c0f242$1ef8f790$03d36b3f@pacer.com> Message-ID: At 1:45 AM -0500 6/11/01, Jon Beets wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "petro" >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 10:19 PM >Subject: RE: Automatic's > > >> That *WILL* cause the target to collapse with anything over a >> .22LR, and if you get an eye will 100% guarenteed stop the fight >> (with that individual) now. Only one person has survived a shot (by a >> firearm) to the eye, and she's been on life support since she was hit >> by a .22. > >Where did this statistic come from? I find it fairly hard to believe.... > "98.73% of all facts reported on the Net are simply made up." Many people have survived gunshots to the eyes. They may be blind in the eye hit, but they survived. That Petro would repeat some bizarre claim he's heard that only person has ever survived a gunshot wound to the eye--"and she's been on life support since she was hit by a .22"--reminds me of why I tend to ignore most of what Petro posts. Maybe it's just summer vacation. I have suddenly seen a burst of posts from Reese and Petro. At least they're not Choate. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay at got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns From Jon.Beets at pacer.com Sun Jun 10 23:45:36 2001 From: Jon.Beets at pacer.com (Jon Beets) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 01:45:36 -0500 Subject: Automatic's References: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <008501c0f242$1ef8f790$03d36b3f@pacer.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "petro" To: Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 10:19 PM Subject: RE: Automatic's > That *WILL* cause the target to collapse with anything over a > .22LR, and if you get an eye will 100% guarenteed stop the fight > (with that individual) now. Only one person has survived a shot (by a > firearm) to the eye, and she's been on life support since she was hit > by a .22. Where did this statistic come from? I find it fairly hard to believe.... Jon From drevil at sidereal.kz Sun Jun 10 20:47:01 2001 From: drevil at sidereal.kz (Dr. Evil) Date: 11 Jun 2001 03:47:01 -0000 Subject: Social Security Numbers and health insurance Message-ID: <20010611034701.26587.qmail@sidereal.kz> I need to sign up for health insurance tomorrow. I'm going to buy individual coverage from Kaiser. On their form, it asks for an SSN, of course. Well, Kaiser is not a government agency, and is certainly not associated with the Social Security Adminisrtation in any way, so they have no legitimate need for my SSN, and I don't want to give it to them. I'm wondering how best to go about doing this: 1. I could make up an SSN and give it to them. I basically just have to make sure it's one that hasn't been taken, and corresponds to my real birth county, right? 2. I could say that I don't have an SSN. Most people in the world don't have SSNs. Would they then require proof that I'm not a US citizen? Or will they just assign me some kind of policy number? That would be ideal. 3. I could refuse to give it to them, but I think they would probably then refuse to give me coverage. Any thoughts? I have absolutely no health problems that I'm aware of, and I'm not trying to hide any pre-existing condition, and my only medical records are things which say, "he's healthy", so I'm not trying to commit any kind of fraud here, I just want my privacy. Thanks From cmcurtin at interhack.net Mon Jun 11 03:28:32 2001 From: cmcurtin at interhack.net (C Matthew Curtin) Date: 11 Jun 2001 06:28:32 -0400 Subject: CNBC piece about privacy policies In-Reply-To: References: <15130.4129.951979.640985@lucy.heinicke.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "Tim" == Tim May writes: Tim> This is probably a design feature, not a bug. Agreed. Privacy policies aren't so much policies to protect privacy as much as they are obscurely-phrased statements of what they're going to do whilst being effectively immune from lawsuits. ("You agreed to it! You didn't opt out!") Tim> My recourse is to take my business elsewhere, of course. Finding anyone in the industry who doesn't work this way is a trick. Maybe we need a Cypherpunk Bank. -- Matt Curtin cmcurtin at interhack.net http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/ From cmcurtin at interhack.net Mon Jun 11 03:32:49 2001 From: cmcurtin at interhack.net (C Matthew Curtin) Date: 11 Jun 2001 06:32:49 -0400 Subject: HTTP redirection? In-Reply-To: <20010603190020.A6797@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20010603190020.A6797@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "Robin" == Robin Lee Powell writes: Robin> Did anything like this ever actually get going? ZeroKnowledge Systems offers Freedom. http://www.freedom.net/ -- Matt Curtin cmcurtin at interhack.net http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/ From cmcurtin at interhack.net Mon Jun 11 03:39:09 2001 From: cmcurtin at interhack.net (C Matthew Curtin) Date: 11 Jun 2001 06:39:09 -0400 Subject: Social Security Numbers and health insurance In-Reply-To: <20010611034701.26587.qmail@sidereal.kz> References: <20010611034701.26587.qmail@sidereal.kz> Message-ID: >>>>> "drevil" == drevil writes: drevil> 3. I could refuse to give it to them, but I think they would drevil> probably then refuse to give me coverage. Don't give it to them. Tell them about your concerns and they just might find a way to deal. Many will, if pressed, assign an alternate ID number. -- Matt Curtin cmcurtin at interhack.net http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/ From remailer at xganon.com Mon Jun 11 05:18:15 2001 From: remailer at xganon.com (Public ) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:18:15 -0500 Subject: SSNs Message-ID: <243aa80d4ac0887e8c309bcfe4828a7f@anon.xg.nu> I am an American citizen. In 30 years I have never given a valid social security number to anyone. I can't. I don't have one. I hold a regular high-paying job. I get a paycheck. My employer uses ADP. I have a driver's license. I have a bank account. I have good health insurance. I pay my taxes. Not once have I had a real problem. Any minor problems that have come up over the years, and there have been very few, always go away when ignored dilligently. Just give those facists a fake number. Good luck. Signed, 322-33-0007 From measl at mfn.org Mon Jun 11 05:32:37 2001 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:32:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Automatics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >From: "petro" > >> That *WILL* cause the target to collapse with anything over a > >> .22LR, and if you get an eye will 100% guarenteed stop the fight > >> (with that individual) now. Only one person has survived a shot (by a > >> firearm) to the eye, and she's been on life support since she was hit > >> by a .22. This is a load of total crap. My ex-partner's ex-partner (he decided he'd had enough after this one), was shot point blank with a .380: the projectile literally followed the course around the back of the skull, exiting very close to the opposing eye. Total damage was some loss of sight in the eye whose socket was penetrated (mostly from burns), and a really nervous disposition from then on in... And no, he's not on life support. Although, according to popular stories, he *is* lucky it was a .380. These slugs have an almost mythical reputation for doing this kind of weird shit. Of course they are just as strange for the shooter, what with all the jamming and whatnot (personally, I think the cartridge is simply too short to feed reliably as an automatic, but I realize that YMMV. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From hseaver at ameritech.net Mon Jun 11 06:00:50 2001 From: hseaver at ameritech.net (Harmon Seaver) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:00:50 -0500 Subject: Social Security Numbers and health insurance References: <20010611034701.26587.qmail@sidereal.kz> Message-ID: <3B24C102.C6631BC0@ameritech.net> "Dr. Evil" wrote: > 1. I could make up an SSN and give it to them. I basically just have > to make sure it's one that hasn't been taken, and corresponds to my > real birth county, right? > Wasn't that one of the things Jim Bell was charged with? -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver at cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver at ameritech.net From hseaver at ameritech.net Mon Jun 11 06:51:04 2001 From: hseaver at ameritech.net (Harmon Seaver) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:51:04 -0500 Subject: SSNs References: <243aa80d4ac0887e8c309bcfe4828a7f@anon.xg.nu> Message-ID: <3B24CCC6.3DCA0C68@ameritech.net> So for 30 you've been paying in to SS, but you'll never collect, nor could you collect unemployment if laid off --- you like making large donations to the government? I guess I have a hard time seeing what the point is. And yes, I understand all the arguments over the years about "national ID" and all that, and I can understand if someone works for himself and *doesn't" pay in to the SS system, but .... "Public " wrote: > I am an American citizen. > > In 30 years I have never given a valid social security number to anyone. > > I can't. > > I don't have one. > > I hold a regular high-paying job. I get a paycheck. My employer uses ADP. I have a driver's license. I have a bank account. I have good health insurance. I pay my taxes. > > Not once have I had a real problem. Any minor problems that have come up over the years, and there have been very few, always go away when ignored dilligently. > > Just give those facists a fake number. > > Good luck. > > Signed, > > 322-33-0007 -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver at cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver at ameritech.net From rsw at MIT.EDU Mon Jun 11 06:03:22 2001 From: rsw at MIT.EDU (Riad S. Wahby) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:03:22 -0400 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010610192622.00812360@pop.sprynet.com>; from honig@sprynet.com on Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 07:26:22PM -0700 References: <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010610192622.00812360@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <20010611090322.A16783@positron.mit.edu> At 04:56 PM 6/10/01 -0700, petro wrote: > > A .300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa will do 1000 to 1500 yard hits >just as well, in a smaller, cheaper, easier to handle package. The .300 Win Mag delivers about 3500 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. The .50 BMG delivers 13000 ft-lbs. You use a .300 Win Mag for killing people. You use a .50 BMG for taking out trucks and small structures. In other words, apples and oranges. > Anything past 800 to 1000 yards is luck and voodoo anyway. I'm with David on this one. Maybe to me, but not to some. -- Riad Wahby rsw at mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105 From keyser-soze at hushmail.com Mon Jun 11 10:06:50 2001 From: keyser-soze at hushmail.com (keyser-soze at hushmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:06:50 -0800 (PDT) Subject: Social Security Numbers and health insurance Message-ID: <200106111606.JAA08529@user5.hushmail.com> At 03:47 AM 6/11/2001 +0000, Dr. Evil" wrote: I need to sign up for health insurance tomorrow. I'm going to buy individual coverage from Kaiser. On their form, it asks for an SSN, of course. Well, Kaiser is not a government agency, and is certainly not associated with the Social Security Adminisrtation in any way, so they have no legitimate need for my SSN, and I don't want to give it to them. I'm wondering how best to go about doing this: 1. I could make up an SSN and give it to them. I basically just have to make sure it's one that hasn't been taken, and corresponds to my real birth county, right? ================================ Try this instead.... 1. Get copies of the forms they wish you to sign. 2. Re-image and delete any wording which "certifies under perjury" that the information is correct. Add or change the revision numbering sequence info, so later you can counter claims it was a fraudulent submission ("Hey, check the revision number, its not your form you accepted but mine.) Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com From jds at gwi.net Mon Jun 11 06:31:36 2001 From: jds at gwi.net (Justin Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: From alqaeda at hq.org Mon Jun 11 10:08:11 2001 From: alqaeda at hq.org (Alfred Qaeda) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:08:11 -0700 Subject: Brit car video surveillance out of control Message-ID: <3B24FAFA.412110D@hq.org> DAILY MAIL (London) June 11, 2001 LENGTH: 705 words A SPEED CAMERA ON EVERY CORNER DAILY MAIL (London) June 12, 2001 POLICE WILL ISSUE UP TO TEN MILLION TICKETS A YEAR IN A MASSIVE CLAMPDOWN ON SPEEDING MOTORISTS. WITH THE NUMBER OF SPEED CAMERAS EXPECTED TO TREBLE, THERE WILL be no escape from the prying electronic eyes. For the police, it will mean a gold-mine in fines thanks to the decision to allow forces to keep money raised from fixed penalties. Until now, many of the 4,300 cameras across the country have been ineffective because police cannot afford to stock or process the film. But the potential to raise revenue has given them a powerful incentive to extend and improve the network. This means any driver 'flashed' by a camera will now almost certainly face a fine. The speeding clampdown comes as the latest crime figures show a year-on-year rise of 2.5 per cent in violent offences including murder, rape and muggings. Yesterday, motoring groups claimed the blitz would undermine public confidence in police priorities. As well as alienating drivers already burdened by high fuel taxes and rising crime, more cameras would never be as effective as patrol cars in preventing truly dangerous driving, they said. Police, however, are delighted with the prospect of more cameras on the roads. Some areas involved in trial schemes have seen 25-fold increases in the number of tickets issued to drivers. If these results are reflected across the country, the number of penalties issued via roadside cameras could soar from 550,000 in 1999 to more than ten million. North Wales chief constable Richard Brun-strom, who leads the Association of Chief Police Officers' traffic technology committee is keen to see more cameras on the roads. 'Speed cameras make a major contribution to road safety and this legislation means motorists can expect to see at least a tripling in the numbers on Britain's roads,' he said. Under new Home Office rules, money raised by fines will no longer go straight to the Treasury. Instead, police will be allowed to keep fixed penalty revenue above a 'baseline' figure. Almost all the 43 forces in England and Wales are submitting business plans to the Government to show how they will use the extra money. The standard penalty increased last year from GBP 40 to GBP 60, and m Edmund King of the RAC Foundation said: 'The danger is that speed cameras actually lead to our roads being under-policed. 'With an over-reliance on speed cameras, forces have been cutting back on traffic police. 'In some areas there is little or no chance of being stopped for dangerous or careless driving, which is often more dangerous than speeding. 'Only around a third of accidents are blamed on speed. 'Cameras don't pick up on drivers tailgating the car in front, or swerving between lanes. 'Home Office research revealed a 60 per cent chance of dangerous drivers having committed other criminal offences. 'Those stopped may have burgled goods in the car, for example. Cameras won't clear up any of those other crimes. 'We are already seeing cameras being extended beyond accident blackspots to straight stretches of rural road in places like Oxfordshire. 'If that trend continues there is the danger we will see speed cameras on every bend in every trunk road. 'We don't believe that is something motorists want to see, and nor do we.' Yesterday, Home Secretary David Blunkett signalled his determination not to let the new financial rules distract police from their core purpose of fighting crime. A source close to Mr Blunkett said: 'Road safety is important, but we don't want to see manpower diverted to running speed cameras. 'The cameras are a valuable tool but we have to strike a balance.' From George at Orwellian.Org Mon Jun 11 07:08:19 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! Message-ID: <200106111408.KAA09170@www7.aa.psiweb.com> http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/06/08/orbs/print.html # # A spam cop goes AWOL # # The ORBS blacklist, a controversial tool for stopping unsolicited # e-mail, is suddenly inaccessible. # # - - - - - - - - - - - - # # By Damien Cave # # June 8, 2001 | Spam fighters all over the world have lost a # controversial weapon in the battle against unsolicited e-mail. # Since June 1, the Web site for ORBS -- the Open Relay Behavior # Modification System -- has been gutted. Visitors to the site # now find nothing more than a gray blank page and a simple message: # "Due to circumstances beyond our control, the ORBS website is # no longer available." # # ORBS's main service was a blacklist of Internet mail servers # -- computers capable of routing mail across the Net -- that the # ORBS administrator, Alan Brown, had identified as potentially # capable of forwarding spam. Now that blacklist is no longer # available to network administrators, and they want to know why. # One popular theory mooted on the Net is that Brown closed down # the site rather than comply with a New Zealand court order # demanding that he remove two specific ISPs from the blacklist. # But Brown, who lives in New Zealand, is keeping silent. "I am # unable to answer any of your questions," he writes in an e-mail. # "Sorry." # # Even without an explanation, the demise of ORBS is significant, # stirring up, once again, an ongoing worldwide debate over how # best to administer the Internet and mediate the Net's intersection # of humanity and technology. Questions about ORBS's behavior always # centered on the problem of how to handle e-mail abuse. But more # generally, ORBS symbolized the ongoing struggle between the Net's # tendency to encourage individual freedom and the necessity of # combating anarchy. # # Ever since the Net moved beyond its roots as a small, open, # academic community, users have attempted to balance opposing # forces. Most favor the right to speak out, along with the right # to privacy; they rail against censorship, but at the same time # desperately seek the ability to censor unsolicited e-mail by # limiting spammers' access to their networks. # # ORBS supporters say the blacklist was a fully justified form # of preventive medicine. Brown saw his mission as identifying # every mail server on the Net that allowed "open relays" -- in # essence, that permitted the forwarding of mail from one point # on the Net to another without any restriction. Spammers love # open relays; they employ them to hide their identities and funnel # out massive amounts of e-mail for free. But at the same time # the open relays bog down the system for other customers. # # Brown used simple software agents and diagnostic probes to comb # the Internet, looking for mail servers configured for open # relaying. Whenever he found one, Brown would post the Internet # protocol (IP) address on his list -- even if the address had # never been used by a spammer. ISPs, systems administrators and # everyday citizens who configured their computers to block # addresses listed on ORBS could then close off a spammer's favorite # distribution tool even before the spammer knew it existed. # # More controversial, Brown also placed on his list servers that # blocked his probes, whether or not he could ascertain if they # had open relays. ORBS supporters say such a policy was the only # way to keep a flood of open-relay-capable servers from pumping # spam across the Net. The end, they argue, justified the means. # # The immediate impact of the ORBS shutdown could mean more spam, # says Michael LeFevre, a London technology company executive. # "I've received four spams since ORBS went down last week," he # says. "I only received two or three previous to that this year." # # But not everyone is sorry to see the site go. ORBS has plenty # of critics. ORBS wasn't just a useful technology, they say; it # was also a tool used by a specific person, Alan Brown, an # overzealous spam fighter who went too far. ORBS's own ISP pulled # the plug on Brown in 1998 after receiving complaints about the # way that Brown used probes to test servers for open relays. # Although another ISP agreed to host ORBS soon afterward, Brown's # detractors say that he never learned his lesson: He repeatedly # insisted that he had the right to test servers as often as he # wanted. # # "Alan Brown created some nice technology -- nobody faults him # on that point," says Tom Geller, founder of Suespammers.org, # a nonprofit group that lobbies for strict spam legislation. "But # he used it in an irresponsible way, invading others' private # networks and using others' resources against their stated wishes." # He became a living contradiction -- a man who, says Geller, "used # others' network resources to prove that it's wrong to use others' # network resources." # # Before the scourge of spam, the Net was a less contentious place. # Until the early '90s, open relays were not uncommon. In fact, # they were the norm. # # "I remember when you'd get funny looks for running a mail server # that wasn't an open relay," says "Der Mouse," a Canadian # spam-fighting veteran who refused to give his off-line name. # "I remember when there was a machine on the Net that was # advertised as having no password on its administrative log-in. # Want a guest log-in? Log in and create yourself one. I remember # when the Net was a friendly and civilized place." # # "Today it is more of an armed camp, suspicious of everyone," # he continues in an e-mail. "The Net I knew and loved is dead, # killed by uncivilized greedy incompetents who came barging in, # without caring that when you barge into a foreign culture it # behooves you to learn how they do things. This would not have # been a problem, except that they arrived in sufficient numbers # to overload the mechanisms that normally would have either brought # newcomers up to speed on the culture or rejected them; as a result # they killed off the culture we had, the only culture I've ever # seen work based on mutual friendship and helpfulness on a large # scale." # # Spam signified the death of the original Net culture, Der Mouse # and others argue. By the mid-'90s, systems administrators started # fighting it by closing off open relays. Shutting the pipes made # it harder for, say, employees of a company to log on to their # corporate network from home, but by limiting who could use the # network, closed relays also kept spammers out. This, in turn, # saved companies and individuals money, since open relays # essentially let anyone borrow servers and bandwidth without having # to pay for them. # # But some network administrators moved slower than others. So # ORBS appeared, with a mission to move them along. At first, most # people on the Net welcomed the service. Open relays were sometimes # hard to find, and ORBS worked more quickly than other # spam-fighting lists. The Mail Abuse Prevention System's Realtime # Blackhole List, for example, acts like an after-the-fact plug. # Its main list contains domain names that spam has already been # sent from, and MAPS only adds servers to its list after the system # administrator of the offending mail server has been given a chance # to close the hole but hasn't done it. # # ORBS, on the other hand, "tested relays and listed them # immediately," says William James, a computer consultant in # Mississippi. "No negotiation, no notice. It was fast. Someone # running an open relay ran the risk of losing a substantial amount # of traffic without any notice." # # Over time, however, Brown's pace and intensity started alienating # the very people who sympathized with his cause. John Oliver, # a systems administrator in San Diego, remembers butting heads # with Brown in early 1999. ORBS probes invaded his servers and # tested them for 45 minutes, over and over again. The probes # returned and retested a few days or weeks later, "as often and # as frequently as they saw fit," Oliver says. # # Each day that the tests ran, Oliver's server logs lengthened. # He received pages and pages of server activity that directly # resulted from Brown's tests. "It was annoying because since I # wasn't running an open relay, it was wasting my time," he says. # "And, of course, I didn't appreciate the implicit accusation # that I was an irresponsible admin." # # Brown regularly tested servers without any evidence of wrongdoing, # says Der Mouse. "Let me be precise: He repeatedly 'tested' my # home mail server, and if he had any reason to think it had ever # relayed spam, he steadfastly refused to produce it," he says. # "He also repeatedly did so after I explicitly denied him # permission to do so." # # MAPS also had a run-in with ORBS. In 1999, MAPS listed ORBS on # its Realtime Blackhole List, in response to several complaints # about the way that ORBS was supposedly abusing networks. The # group removed ORBS and stopped blocking it from its own servers # three months later, but not before ORBS threw MAPS into its own # black hole. Even Suespammers.org found itself blocked over a # dispute with ORBS. Until the day the list died, spam fighters # who used Brown's list couldn't access the Suespammers site, a # major resource that might have helped them in their war on # unsolicited e-mail. # # "Alan's problem is that he was so convinced that testing was # necessary that he felt that anyone who didn't want him testing # their systems, as often as he wanted to, was somehow just as # bad as an actual open relay," says Peter Seebach, a systems # administrator who subscribes to several spam-fighting mailing # lists. "This is where I drew the line; without any spam coming # through a system, and with the admin's request that he not test # it, he had no business hitting systems over and over again. I # don't see a meaningful distinction between what he did and what # script kiddies do with root scripts" that attempt to break into # a system. # # Is what ORBS did really so bad? In essence, ORBS was nothing # more than a list of servers that Brown checked and decided to # block from connecting with his network -- which is one suggested # recipe for spam fighting. Doesn't Brown have the right to protect # his network by blocking whomever he wants to? Doesn't he have # the right to publish a list of whom he's blocking? # # People who rail against Brown are ignoring the implications of # their argument, says "Afterburner," manager of the e-mail abuse # department for a large ISP. ORBS may have been run "in a # particularly unethical way," he says, but that doesn't mean that # Brown should be silenced. # # Rather, everyone should have "the unfettered right to publish" # a blacklist, regardless of how it is organized, he says. Probes # don't damage a network, and "nobody is required to use your list # if they don't want to," he says. "The situation is somewhat # analogous to the idealized free market: If you put out a list # that's worth using, people will use it. If you put out a list # that is not worth using, people will not use it." # # But ORBS doesn't quite fit Afterburner's paraphrase of the # libertarian ideal. The list was worth using; blocking the servers # ORBS listed cut down on spam. Yet those who used the list as # a tool against unwanted e-mail didn't necessarily have to pay # the costs, which came in the form of ORBS's probes. In other # words, Brown's approach looks a lot like a spammer's: He invaded # others' networks without consent, offering benefits without costs. # # Even worse, critics argue, Brown went one step further, blocking # servers that didn't have open relays, and adding them to a list # that he knew would keep traffic from them. There is, for example, # the Xtra Mail lawsuit in New Zealand, which Brown's critics say # was a direct result of Brown's unethical practices. # # Essentially, Brown added Actrix and Xtra Mail's servers to his # blacklist after they blocked his probes. He reportedly had no # evidence that they used open relays. Actrix and Xtra Mail sued, # and on May 24 they won. The New Zealand High Court ordered Brown # to remove Xtra Mail's servers from the ORBS database. # # Brown then said that he would comply, but he remained unrepentant. # "ORBS policy is that if you threaten ORBS you'll be manually # listed," he said, according to a story in IDG New Zealand. # "Telecom [Actrix and Xtra Mail's parent company] threatened me # with legal action for two years." # # Those who have tangled with Brown aren't surprised at his stance. # And they don't have a problem with his philosophy, or with his # argument that he has a right to form a policy and block whomever # he wants. They argue, however, that the policy has to be carried # out with honesty. # # "The list wasn't what it was purported to be," says Oliver, of # San Diego. "If you employ a list called the Open Relay Behavior # Modification System to protect your server from spam, you expect # that list to block open relays and nothing else. But that isn't # what you got with ORBS. You got open relays blocked as well as # anyone who had attracted the personal enmity of Mr. Brown." # # Ultimately, Oliver says, the Net should be glad to see ORBS go # because it lacked the basic values of the old Internet -- truth, # respect and freedom. "It's extremely dangerous to support the # use of a tool when the cost for its use includes the loss of # a liberty," he says. # # Still, many of Brown's critics argue that ORBS's technology # shouldn't go to waste. The list is already mirrored on at least # one site, and some predict that another administrator -- someone # with a bit more restraint -- will clean it up and maintain it. # If he or she does, perhaps that individual, and other # technologists, will learn from Brown's mistakes, says Geller # at Suespammers.org. # # "Any technical endeavor that ignores social aspects is doomed # to failure," he says. "It's like making soup without liquid." From petro at bounty.org Mon Jun 11 10:16:50 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:16:50 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <008501c0f242$1ef8f790$03d36b3f@pacer.com> References: <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> <008501c0f242$1ef8f790$03d36b3f@pacer.com> Message-ID: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "petro" >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 10:19 PM >Subject: RE: Automatic's > > >> That *WILL* cause the target to collapse with anything over a >> .22LR, and if you get an eye will 100% guarenteed stop the fight >> (with that individual) now. Only one person has survived a shot (by a >> firearm) to the eye, and she's been on life support since she was hit >> by a .22. > >Where did this statistic come from? I find it fairly hard to believe.... Someone who is a member of the Wound Ballistics Association, a SWAT member and instructor. It's not hard to believe when you think about it, the skull in that area is trivially thin, so even a .22 can punch through the eye and get back to the important stuff. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Mon Jun 11 10:19:57 2001 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Final Score - McVeigh: 168 Feds: 1 Message-ID: <200106111719.f5BHJv514675@artifact.psychedelic.net> As I was watching the coverage of the Tim McVeigh execution, I couldn't help think that it was bigger than the coverage of the moon landing in 1969. How the definition of what unites us as a nation has changed since then. Technological excellence, versus an absolute exercise of unbridled state power against a single unarmed individual, who no longer poses a threat to anyone. While most of us would define "terrorism" as violence against civilians and civilian infrastructure for the purpose of sending a political message, the US government cleverly defines it as any violence by a subnational group designed to influence opinion. Thus, in the minds of our government, it is not killing that is wrong, it is presuming to do so without the Imprimatur of statehood, and the power to defiantly thumb ones nose at the logical consequences of ones actions. Tim McVeigh's crime then becomes not "murder," but "impersonating a government." I can forgve him for that. Tim McVeigh's legacy is that it's going to be a *real* long time before the Federal Government again attacks its citizens with tanks and snipers for simply saying "no" to a government official, and the term "collateral damage" is never going to be smugly used again to describe dead children killed by the American military in some country on the receiving end of a "message" from our President. I think that's a GoodThing(tm). History should remember Tim McVeigh as a decorated Gulf War veteran, who gave his life to save his country, albeit in a rather creative and not universally appreciated way. I can forgive him for that too. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From George at Orwellian.Org Mon Jun 11 07:29:16 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The credentialling of golfers Message-ID: <200106111429.KAA25285@www1.aa.psiweb.com> http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB992206849169968858.htm # # June 11, 2001 # # In Germany, Golfers Endure Tests Before Earning a License to # Drive # # By NEAL E. BOUDETTE Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL # # ST. LEON-ROT, Germany -- To play golf, you need practice, patience # and perseverance. # # To play golf in Germany, you might need a quick trip to Austria, # or a color photocopier. # # That's because the average duffer can't tee up in Germany without # a golf license, and getting one isn't a gimme. # # You have to pass driving, chipping and putting tests, and play # 18 holes with no more than 108 strokes -- a stretch for a # beginner. The whole process, including lessons, can cost around # 2,000 marks ($870). Then there is a quiz on the rules and # etiquette of golf. # # "A written test?" Tiger Woods laughed before playing in the # Deutsche Bank-SAP Open near Heidelberg, Germany, in late May. # The world's No. 1 player has made plenty of tough shots in his # career, but he said he has never had to master multiple-choice # questions about water hazards. "That's why we have officials," # he said. # # A Need for Ripeness # # Golf has taken off in Germany in recent years, drawing many new # players who bristle at the idea of having to qualify for the # license, known as a Platzreife. The term, which combines the # German words for "place" and "ripe," indicates that a player # is ripe enough to get a place on a German course. [snip] From George at Orwellian.Org Mon Jun 11 07:29:19 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The credentialling of golfers Message-ID: <200106111429.KAA06677@www3.aa.psiweb.com> http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB992206849169968858.htm # # June 11, 2001 # # In Germany, Golfers Endure Tests Before Earning a License to # Drive # # By NEAL E. BOUDETTE Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL # # ST. LEON-ROT, Germany -- To play golf, you need practice, patience # and perseverance. # # To play golf in Germany, you might need a quick trip to Austria, # or a color photocopier. # # That's because the average duffer can't tee up in Germany without # a golf license, and getting one isn't a gimme. # # You have to pass driving, chipping and putting tests, and play # 18 holes with no more than 108 strokes -- a stretch for a # beginner. The whole process, including lessons, can cost around # 2,000 marks ($870). Then there is a quiz on the rules and # etiquette of golf. # # "A written test?" Tiger Woods laughed before playing in the # Deutsche Bank-SAP Open near Heidelberg, Germany, in late May. # The world's No. 1 player has made plenty of tough shots in his # career, but he said he has never had to master multiple-choice # questions about water hazards. "That's why we have officials," # he said. # # A Need for Ripeness # # Golf has taken off in Germany in recent years, drawing many new # players who bristle at the idea of having to qualify for the # license, known as a Platzreife. The term, which combines the # German words for "place" and "ripe," indicates that a player # is ripe enough to get a place on a German course. [snip] From georgemw at speakeasy.net Mon Jun 11 10:39:53 2001 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:39:53 -0700 Subject: Automatics In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> References: Message-ID: <3B249FF9.23536.13E15246@localhost> On 10 Jun 2001, at 19:33, David Honig wrote: > Well said, but: > In _The Irish War_ there's a description of IRA improvised recoilless > 'rifles' which, like their .mil-industrial analogues, toss an equal > mass out the back end. They'll actually deliver more energy to the target if MORE mass goes out the back than the front. I can't see any particular advantage to the masses being equal. > The reacting countermass is a bunch of flakes > which dissipate the KE against the atmosphere. > This is a particularly efficient design for cypherpunks, since we've got plenty of extra flakes! George > From alqaeda at hq.org Mon Jun 11 11:04:42 2001 From: alqaeda at hq.org (Alfred Qaeda) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:04:42 -0700 Subject: Ben and Jerry's new Militia Mint ice cream Message-ID: <3B25083A.F72AE56D@hq.org> "Timothy McVeigh downed a couple of pints of mint chocolate-chip ice cream" So when do Ben & Jerry come out with "ANFO Chip"? Militia Mint? Waco Whirl? Ruby Ridge Sorbet? or a "Baked Davidians" kit including brandy & a lighter? From gbnewby at ils.unc.edu Mon Jun 11 08:08:56 2001 From: gbnewby at ils.unc.edu (Greg Newby) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:08:56 -0400 Subject: "This Is Your Brain On Cow" In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010610171229.02edaec0@flex.com>; from reeza@flex.com on Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 05:14:38PM -1000 References: <20010610140941.A212@ils.unc.edu> <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> <3.0.6.32.20010610185938.00808720@pop.sprynet.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010610171229.02edaec0@flex.com> Message-ID: <20010611110856.D537@ils.unc.edu> On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 05:14:38PM -1000, Reese wrote: > At 03:59 PM 6/10/01, David Honig wrote: > >At 02:09 PM 6/10/01 -0400, Greg Newby wrote: > >>This is because there are strict US FDA regulations concerning the use > >>of infected beef in restaraunts, but they have little to say about > >>what individuals in private homes eat. Um, I do know how to spell "restaurants", just not how to tpye. > > > >Indeed there's been a few cases of something like BSE in Americans > >who've eaten elk and / or deer. But since the infected aren't fed > >back into the population, there's no way for it to spread. (E.g., > >if it arises spontaneously now and then.) > > I'm on the Pro-Med list and if there were any positive link between > eating BSE-infected deer or elk, they'd be talking about it there. > They aren't. Currently, there is only a recommendation that hunters > not eat brains or spinal cords. > > What is it you know or think you know, that they do not? I presume Reese knows a joke (mine) when he sees one, and is just looking for info about deer & elk. This is a story I've heard about in several forums, including a radio show (maybe Pacifica News, I'm not sure). Go to www.google.com and query "bse elk deer" and you'll get several hits covering this topic. Whether it constitutes a "positive link" is for you to decide. I think Project Censored (www.projectcensored.org) did a story about this, too. The bottom line in several of these stories is that BSE *is* in the wild in the U.S., contrary to what Big Money (in this case, beef producers, McDonalds, etc.) would have us believe. Whether BSE is in US cows or elsewhere in the non-hunter human food chain is something I haven't heard about, but it's fair to guess that this is the type of information that would be supressed by the powers that be. All the more good reason to go vegan... http://www.reed.edu/~zeke/vegan/faq/vegan-l.FAQ.html -- Greg From fscott at carolina.rr.com Mon Jun 11 08:14:05 2001 From: fscott at carolina.rr.com (Frank Scott) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:14:05 -0400 Subject: For V.P. Bus Development Message-ID: <75262001611115145700@carolina.rr.com> Frank Scott Director-Business Development (704) 549 1171 (704) 503-3030 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2114 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From alqaeda at hq.org Mon Jun 11 11:23:07 2001 From: alqaeda at hq.org (Alfred Qaeda) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:23:07 -0700 Subject: Bring a water-mister or aluminized umbrella to the next WTO fun.... (more on nonlethal radar weapon) Message-ID: <3B250C8B.3C535482@hq.org> 11 June 2001 Millimeter-wave energy to be used in a weapon By Peter Clarke EE Times June 6, 2001 (5:39 p.m. EST) LONDON — Stories of the soldiers who operate the Arctic radar stations and stand in front of the transmitter to get warm will surely be repeated now that the U.S. Department of Defense has gone public with plans to use the heating effect of millimeter waves within a weapon. The U.S. Marine Corps says it has developed a 95-GHz system as an antipersonnel "heat ray" and is conducting tests on animals and volunteers. The supposedly nonlethal weapon, called "active-denial technology," has been in the works for the last 10 years at the Air Force Research Laboratory (Kirtland, N.M.), in tandem with the Marine Corps' Joint Non-lethal Weapons Directorate. About $40 million has been spent developing the weapon, according to the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL), although it could be nearly another decade before it is used in conflict. The earliest estimate for deployment is 2009. The system includes a millimeter-wave energy source with waveguides to direct the energy to a dish antenna measuring about 3 x 3 meters, which forms a beam that can be swept across a battlefield or hostile crowd. The aim is to deter or drive off adversaries caught out in the open with a beam that inflicts pain without causing permanent damage. According to an AFRL fact sheet, the 95-GHz energy penetrates 1/64 inch into the skin and produces an intense burning sensation that stops when the transmitter is switched off or when the individual moves out of the beam. Top skin layer takes heat "It works by heating the water molecules in the top 1/64-of-an-inch layer of the skin," said Marine Corps spokesman Maj. David Andersen. According to reports, a 2-second burst from the system can heat the skin to a temperature of 130° F. Elsewhere, the AFRL describes the sensation as similar to touching an ordinary light bulb that has been left on for a while. "Unlike a light bulb, however," says the AFRL fact sheet, "active-denial technology will not cause rapid burning, because of the shallow penetration of the beam and the low levels of energy used." Beam size, whether it is a convergent, focused beam or a divergent beam, and its range are all classified information. "This is a beam that is going to be directed. It's not harmful to internal organs because it doesn't penetrate the skin beyond 1/64 of an inch," said Conrad Dziewulski, a spokesman for the directed-energy division of AFRL. "It will be swept across the battlefield or directed at an individual for a few seconds." Dziewulski said the system was intended to protect military personnel against small-arms fire, which is generally taken to mean a range of 1,000 meters. Elsewhere, the system is described as having a range of 700 yards. While early tests have been carried out using a fixed antenna, the military now plans to develop a mobile version of the system, otherwise known as Vehicle Mounted Active Denial System, or Vmads. AFRL said Vmads could be mounted on a High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (more commonly referred to as a Humvee). Later it could be mounted on other vehicles such as aircraft, helicopters and ships, officials said. However, countermeasures against the weapon could be quite straightforward — for example covering up the body with thick clothes or carrying a metallic sheet — or even a trash can lid — as a shield or reflector. Also unclear is how the active-denial technology would work in rainy, foggy or sea-spray conditions where the beam's energy could be absorbed by water in the atmosphere. The technology was developed by two Air Force Research Laboratory teams: one from the laboratory's Directed Energy Directorate at Kirtland Air Force Base, and the other from the Human Effectiveness Directorate at Brooks Air Force Base, Texas. The Air Force's Electronic Systems Center at Hanscom Air Force Base, Mass., will manage acquisition of the Humvee Vmads system. From George at Orwellian.Org Mon Jun 11 08:25:19 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SCOTUS rulz! Message-ID: <200106111525.LAA14271@www7.aa.psiweb.com> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Scotus-Heat-Detector.html # # June 11, 2001 # # Court Rules Against Heat-Sensor Searches # # Filed at 11:03 a.m. ET # # WASHINGTON (AP) -- Police violate the Constitution if they use # a heat-sensing device to peer inside a home without a search # warrant, the Supreme Court ruled Monday. # # An unusual lineup of five justices voted to bolster the Fourth # Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches and threw # out an Oregon man's conviction for growing marijuana. # # Monday's ruling reversed a lower court decision that said # officers' use of a heat-sensing device was not a search of Danny # Lee Kyllo's home and therefore they did not need a search warrant. # # In an opinion written by Justice Antonin Scalia, by many measures # the most conservative member of the court, the majority found # that the heat detector allowed police to see things they otherwise # could not. # # ``Where, as here, the government uses a device that is not in # general public use to explore details of the home that would # previously have been unknowable without physical intrusion, the # surveillance is a 'search' and is presumptively unreasonable # without a warrant,'' Scalia wrote. # # While the court has previously approved some warrantless searches, # this one did not meet tests the court has previously set, Scalia # wrote. # # The decision means the information police gathered with the # thermal device -- namely a suspicious pattern of hot spots on # the home's exterior walls -- cannot be used against Kyllo. # # The court sent the case back to lower courts to determine whether # police have enough other basis to support the search warrant # that was eventually served on Kyllo, and thus whether any of # the evidence inside his home can be used against him. # # Justices Clarence Thomas, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg # and Stephen Breyer joined the majority. # # Justice John Paul Stevens wrote a dissenting opinion joined by # Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, and Justices Sandra Day # O'Connor and Anthony M. Kennedy. From measl at mfn.org Mon Jun 11 09:35:50 2001 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:35:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <200106111408.KAA09170@www7.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > Subject: CDR: ORBS sucked into a black hole! > > http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/06/08/orbs/print.html About Fucking Time! I'm just amazed that it lasted as long as it did afrter it was forced to flle Canada for New Zealand. These assholes should be on one of Jim Bells mythical auction lists... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsw at MIT.EDU Mon Jun 11 08:47:49 2001 From: rsw at MIT.EDU (Riad S. Wahby) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:47:49 -0400 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <200106111408.KAA09170@www7.aa.psiweb.com>; from George@Orwellian.Org on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:08:19AM -0400 References: <200106111408.KAA09170@www7.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <20010611114749.A18696@positron.mit.edu> George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > # One popular theory mooted on the Net is that Brown closed down > # the site rather than comply with a New Zealand court order > # demanding that he remove two specific ISPs from the blacklist. I know I sound naive asking this, but has something like this ever happened in the US? The way I read this, the NZ court ordered a private publisher of an enumeration of IP addresses to modify his publication despite the fact that the IP addresses in question met the criteria for inclusion on the list. (ORBS claimed to be a list of open relays, but it was well known that it included any network that blocked ORBS probes, which apparently included the two companies in question.) In addition, even if it did include networks that didn't fit the stated criteria for inclusion on the list, it seems to me that the circumstances under which a particular entry is added to the list are completely immaterial---for any particular entry on the list, its inclusion only indicates that the ORBS administrators are not adequately assured that spam will not originate from the IP address in quesiton. Doesn't seem like that could possibly be considered libel. One might be able to make the case that being listed in ORBS was damaging in that outgoing email from a listed system would be blocked by lots of people, but that doesn't seem compelling---people are _choosing_ to block traffic from your server based on the fact that they trust the recommendations of ORBS and, according to ORBS, it cannot be ascertained that spam will not originate from the system. Like I said, I'm probably just naive. -- Riad Wahby rsw at mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105 From jya at pipeline.com Mon Jun 11 12:00:07 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:00:07 -0700 Subject: Pap Smear Message-ID: <200106111600.MAA29162@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> The NY Times reports today on a leering virus which searches the Web for machines which might contain porno material, real or imagined as the virus decides, and then the little shit fingers the machine to one of various law enforcement agencies in its database. (Excerpt below) Anybody had this leerer rat their cave or know of a victim? ----- http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/11/technology/11VIRU.html June 11, 2001 Virus Searches for Pornography By Roy Furchgott A new rogue computer program, possibly intended to perform a public service, has raised thorny legal questions and seems sure to fuel the debate over computer privacy. The new virus, which is called VBS.Noped.a, searches the target's machine for what it suspects may be child pornography and reports the names of files to the police. There are no reports of police officials acting on such results, and antivirus software companies say it has not yet been distributed widely and is at relatively low risk of damaging computers. Technically a worm, the virus is of unknown origin and was spotted by computer security companies on May 22. It arrives as an attachment to an e-mail message titled, "FWD: Help us ALL to END ILLEGAL child porn NOW." When a recipient opens the attachment, child pornography statutes appear on screen. The program then searches the user's hard drive for picture files that have pornographic-sounding names and then sends an e-mail message and a list of suspect files to a law enforcement agency picked at random from the program's database. "Hi," the message sent to the police says: "This is Antipedo2001. I have found a PC with known child pornography files on the hard drive. I have included a listing below and included a sample for your convenience." The virus also sends out copies of itself to addresses in the victim's e-mail address book. Apart from the program's invasive nature, virus experts question the results the program sends out. Its search software is apt to falsely identify files as containing child pornography, said Stephen Trilling, director of research at the Symantec Anti-Virus Research Center in Santa Monica, Calif., which suggests that the results could cause irreparable harm to run-of-the-mill computer owners if the results are acted upon. While law enforcement agencies cannot search an individual's computer without a warrant, they can act on a tip. The F.B.I., one of the agencies on the Noped list, would not say if it had received tips from this virus program. A Justice Department lawyer said that law enforcement officials could legally conduct a search based on the tip, but added, "That's a very different question from `would law enforcement ever open an investigation based on that information?' " Perhaps most troubling, legal experts say, is the havoc that the virus could wreak on the reputation of people with no involvement in child pornography. "There is no telling how far this information might spread," said Stephen J. Davidson, a lawyer and spokesman for the Computer Law Association. Local news organizations could report that a parent was under investigation as a pedophile, he said, "all resulting from an unwarranted and illegal entry to your private computer." ... From gbroiles at well.com Mon Jun 11 12:13:14 2001 From: gbroiles at well.com (Greg Broiles) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:13:14 -0700 Subject: Social Security Numbers and health insurance In-Reply-To: <20010611034701.26587.qmail@sidereal.kz> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010611120236.00aaa980@mail.wwc.com> At 03:47 AM 6/11/2001 +0000, Dr. Evil wrote: >I need to sign up for health insurance tomorrow. I'm going to buy >individual coverage from Kaiser. On their form, it asks for an SSN, >of course. > >Well, Kaiser is not a government agency, and is certainly not >associated with the Social Security Adminisrtation in any way, so they >have no legitimate need for my SSN, and I don't want to give it to >them. I'm wondering how best to go about doing this: I've had pretty good luck, when dealing with private and some governmental organizations, with the following - "I don't give out my SSN for privacy reasons." sometimes adding, "Could you assign me a new number to use within your organization?" or "I have a nine digit number I use instead of an SSN, can I use that instead?" In particular, the latter is helpful where the person I'm talking to doesn't personally care what they enter, but the computer system or local policy is that a nine-digit number MUST be entered (or used as a database key), and they're not allowed to just make up numbers themselves. We can complete the transaction - I haven't lied nor committed fraud, they're not in trouble with their boss, and everyone's happy. There's no particular reason the nine-digit number you supply needs to be the same when you deal with different organizations, so you're limiting their ability to cross-link databases using that field. If they've got full name, date of birth, and address, they probably don't need an SSN to cross-link, it just saves some programmer and computer time. Kaiser assigns an internal "member number" which isn't your SSN for use within their system - but that's no reason to give them the SSN in the first place. -- Greg Broiles gbroiles at well.com "Organized crime is the price we pay for organization." -- Raymond Chandler From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Mon Jun 11 12:15:23 2001 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Statement from McVeigh's Attorney Message-ID: <200106111915.f5BJFOh14818@artifact.psychedelic.net> Statement of Robert Nigh, attorney, on the occasion of the execution of his client, Timothy McVeigh. ----- At 7 a.m. this morning, we killed Tim McVeigh, the person responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing. But we did much more than that. We also killed Sergeant McVeigh, the young man who joined the Army because he wanted to serve his country; the young soldier that was so dedicated to his duty that he became the top gunner in this battalion of 100. He was the young man who took up arms on his country's behalf and traveled half-way across the world to meet and engage our enemy. He placed his own life in jeopardy because we asked him to and because he thought it was his duty to do so. His actions were of such character that he was awarded the Bronze Star with designation of valor. But much more importantly than any of that, what we did this morning was to kill Tim McVeigh, friend to Bob Popovic, Allen Smith and Elizabeth McDermott. We killed Bill and Mickey's son this morning. And we killed Jennifer McVeigh's big brother. Of course, we can say that it was Tim himself that caused their pain. And we would be half-right. But it would be a lie to say that we did not double their pain and that we are not responsible, because there is a reasonable way to deal with crime that doesn't involve killing another human being. Although we might not express it in these terms because we know better, we might say that these people are simply collateral damage, but we know too well that there is no such thing as collateral damage. There are only real people with faces and names and loved ones who may never heal because of our actions, and that is true whether their grief was inflicted by Tim McVeigh or by federal law enforcement or by us collectively. To the survivors in Oklahoma City who have had the courage to come out against capital punish in spite of the tremendous pain that they have suffered, I say thank you. To the victims in Oklahoma City, I say that I am sorry that I could not successfully help Tim to express words of reconciliation that he did not perceive to be dishonest. I do not fault them at all for looking forward to this day or for taking some sense of relief from it. But if killing Tim McVeigh does not bring peace or closure to them, I suggest to you that it is our fault. We have told them that we would help them heal their wounds in this way. We have taken it upon ourselves to promise to extract vengeance for them. We have made killing a part of the healing process. In order to do that we use such terms as reasoned moral response, but I submit there's nothing reasonable or moral about what we have done today. That is true when killing a human being even means killing Tim McVeigh. There was a time when we recognized this in our country. In 1972, the Supreme Court of the United States struck down the death penalty as it existed at the time. In its concurring opinion in Furman v. Georgia, Justice Marshall wrote, ''The measure of a country's greatness is its ability to retain compassion in time of crisis. ''This is a country that stands tallest in troubled times; a country that clings to fundamental principles, cherishes its constitutional heritage and rejects simple solutions that compromise the values that lie at the roots of our democratic system. In striking down capital punishment, this court does not malign our system of government; on the contrary, it pays homage to it. In recognizing the humanity of our fellow beings, we pay ourselves the highest tribute. We achieve a major milestone in the long road from barbarism and join the approximately 70 other jurisdictions in the world which celebrate their regard for civilization and humanity by shunning capital punishment.'' There has been a movement in the states to celebrate the dignity of human life and to start a moratorium on executions. It did not come soon enough for Tim McVeigh, but it can come soon enough for others. Where we go from here is a question of critical importance. I have told you, honestly, that Tim cared for people. And some of the people he cared deepest about were his brothers on the federal death row. Even Tim recognized that our claims that we are not racially biased are false. If we believe that, then we ignore the reality that 18 of the 20 men behind me on the federal death row in Terre Haute are persons of color. Fully 90 percent belong to a minority. If we do not acknowledge that, we are lying to ourselves about what we are doing. We are killing the poor and the minority and people that we believe to be different and lesser than ourselves. Even in Tim McVeigh's case, to which the racial disparity doesn't apply, we were incapable of inflicting the death penalty in a fair manner. The FBI could not participate in the prosecution without breaching its obligation to turn over the witness statements. This must make us realize that we are too fallible, we are simply too human to extract so final and irreversible a punishment. If there is anything good that can come from the execution of Tim McVeigh, it may be to help us realize sooner that we simply cannot do this anymore. I am firmly convinced that it is not a question of if we will stop, it is simply a question of when. Thank you all very much. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From info at giganetstore.com Mon Jun 11 04:46:30 2001 From: info at giganetstore.com (info at giganetstore.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:46:30 +0100 Subject: Novidades HP Message-ID: <03e4e3046110b61WWWSHOPENS@wwwshopens.giganetstore.com> Novidades HP A giganetstore.com vai disponibilizar-lhe uma vez por mês informação sobre o melhor e o mais actual dos produtos HP. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 5960 bytes Desc: not available URL: From schear at lvcm.com Mon Jun 11 12:54:41 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:54:41 -0700 Subject: Pap Smear In-Reply-To: <200106111600.MAA29162@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010611123741.0331b008@pop3.lvcm.com> At 12:00 PM 6/11/2001 -0700, John Young wrote: Much deleted. >Technically a worm, the virus is of unknown origin and was >spotted by computer security companies on May 22. It arrives >as an attachment to an e-mail message titled, "FWD: Help us ALL >to END ILLEGAL child porn NOW." When a recipient opens the >attachment, child pornography statutes appear on screen. The >program then searches the user's hard drive for picture files >that have pornographic-sounding names and then sends an e-mail >message and a list of suspect files to a law enforcement agency >picked at random from the program's database. > >"Hi," the message sent to the police says: "This is Antipedo2001. >I have found a PC with known child pornography files on the hard >drive. I have included a listing below and included a sample for >your convenience." > >The virus also sends out copies of itself to addresses in the >victim's e-mail address book. > >Apart from the program's invasive nature, virus experts question >the results the program sends out. > >Its search software is apt to falsely identify files as containing >child pornography, said Stephen Trilling, director of research at >the Symantec Anti-Virus Research Center in Santa Monica, Calif., >which suggests that the results could cause irreparable harm to >run-of-the-mill computer owners if the results are acted upon. > >While law enforcement agencies cannot search an individual's computer >without a warrant, they can act on a tip. The F.B.I., one of the agencies >on the Noped list, would not say if it had received tips from this virus >program. A Justice Department lawyer said that law enforcement >officials could legally conduct a search based on the tip, but added, >"That's a very different question from `would law enforcement ever >open an investigation based on that information?' " > >Perhaps most troubling, legal experts say, is the havoc that the virus >could wreak on the reputation of people with no involvement in child >pornography. > >"There is no telling how far this information might spread," said >Stephen J. Davidson, a lawyer and spokesman for the Computer >Law Association. Local news organizations could report that a >parent was under investigation as a pedophile, he said, "all >resulting from an unwarranted and illegal entry to your private >computer." It appears that one effective way to combat such a virus is with disinformation. Approach 1: Merge one of those "50 million Internet address lists" and random listing of possibly pedo file names which the virus might have flagged and generate email. Generate forged emails from these addresses and mail notifications to random addresses from the virus' LE address list. Approach 2: Release another virus which generates false reports from any of the users it infects. steve From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Mon Jun 11 06:19:07 2001 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:19:07 +0100 Subject: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010609145309.00cb5da0@flex.com> Message-ID: <3B24C54B.46D1115F@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> An excellent recipe from Reese, though he is remarkably easy on the garlic. I would include an entire head of garlic. The meat dish described below should be eaten with Jerusalem artichokes mashed with butter and black pepper - some pureed suede (if you call them that - large, sweet, orange turnips) could be included for extra flavour. There should also be an a salad of traditional lettuce (not iceberg), hard-boiled eggs, black olives aubergines fried in olive oil (I think you Americans may call them eggplants), red onions, and a selection of different kinds of bean, dressed with garlic and wasabi beaten into real (i.e. made with olive oil and raw egg) mayonnaise. The drink *must* be Guinness and you must drink at least 4 pints of it. Reese missed out the delivery process, always important in chemical warfare. This is in fact a binary munition. The inert component consists of either a strong double espresso coffee and cigarettes, or else ordinary water. About 6 to 8 hours after the meal - earlier if you feel necessary - you visit the target location with the other components. Then just stand around sipping espresso and smoking. This of course is easier to achieve if the target is a cafe. If you have moral objections to smoking, a similar binary effect can be obtained by drinking 2 to 3 litres of cold water very fast. Ken Reese wrote: > > At 07:09 AM 6/9/01, John Yeomans wrote: > > Send me the instructions to make a stink bomb > > please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Follow the recipe below, consume, and wait. > > Take: > 4 lbs. ground beef (at least 80% lean) > 3 16oz can dark red kidney beans > 1 4.5oz can peeled & chopped green chilies (Old El Paso or similar) > 2 8oz can tomato sauce > 2 6ox can tomato paste > 1 large green bell pepper > 1 medium white onion > 3 11oz bag white corn tortilla chips, round style (Jays or similar) > 2/3 to 1 cup chili powder (*) > 4 tbsp masa flour (commonly used to make tortillas & tamales, > Quaker brand or similar) (*) > 2-1/2 tbsp ground oregano (*) > 1-1/2 tbsp paprika > 1-1/2 tbsp ground red pepper (cayenne pepper) (*) > 2 tbsp minced garlic > 2 to 3 tsp salt, to taste (NOT tbsp!) > > NOTE 1) tbsp = tablespoon, tsp = teaspoon > > NOTE 2) ingredients marked (*) are also found in popular chili mixes, > such as "Carroll Shelby's Original Texas Brand Chili Mix" or > "2 Alarm Chili Mix". If using these mixes instead of separate > ingredients, you will need two packages of mix to roughly > equal the recommended amounts. > > NOTE 3) both tomato sauce and tomato paste are used in this recipe. > This is due primarily to sugar content and really does affect > the overall flavor. > > + Start heating 5 cups of water in a large pot over medium heat. > Stir in salt and tomato sauce. DO NOT ALLOW TO BOIL! > > + Mix chopped onion & bell pepper with green chilies, while stirring > in frying pan over low heat for 10 minutes. Transfer to a bowl for > later use. > > + Break up ground beef into small chunks (think of a good size for > picking up with a tortilla chip), and place in covered frying pan to > brown over medium heat. When half done, drain the grease. When done > browning, drain any remaining grease, then stir in onion/pepper > mixture from bowl. > > + While beef is browning, stir in all spices (but NOT masa flour) to > liquid in pot, mix thoroughly. > > + When beef is browned, stir tomato sauce into liquid in pot, then > add beef and stir very thoroughly. > > + Cover pot and allow to simmer over low heat for 1/2 hour, stirring > every 10 minutes. > > + Stir in masa flour, and continue to simmer another 15 minutes. > While simmering, drain liquid from beans. > > + Stir in beans, and continue to simmer another 15 minutes. > > + Serve immediately, with lots of tortilla chips for dipping (use > instead of a spoon). A dark beer will help wash it down. If you > would rather have soft drinks, Squirt or Fresca are excellent > choices and their flavor complements the spices very nicely. From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Mon Jun 11 06:21:35 2001 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:21:35 +0100 Subject: (on Young's "private language") References: Message-ID: <3B24C5DF.9422918F@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Aimee Farr wrote: > Anonymous, (a fellow Sophist? FN1), points out that mass media is written > for the masses. > > A larger point is that THOUGHT PRESUPPOSES LANGUAGE. By limiting your > language to the lowest common denominator, your limit the 'lodestar' of the > sign vehicles. American media speaks in the lowest common denominator in the > interest of social justice and convenience. Some feel it has worked an equal > injustice by hobbling our ability to THINK. "The limits of my language are > the limits of my mind." (Wittgenstein) Not in the interests of social justice. In the interests of advertising, sales, and ratings. Ken From measl at mfn.org Mon Jun 11 12:50:02 2001 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:50:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Statement from McVeigh's Attorney In-Reply-To: <200106111915.f5BJFOh14818@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: > If there is anything good that can come from the execution of Tim McVeigh, > it may be to help us realize sooner that we simply cannot do this anymore. > I am firmly convinced that it is not a question of if we will stop, it is > simply a question of when. The killing will continue until the killers themselves actively fear that they will be the next targets: as long as it is just The People who are subject to killing, things will not change. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From a3495 at cotse.com Mon Jun 11 11:55:33 2001 From: a3495 at cotse.com (Faustine) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Social Security Numbers and health insurance Message-ID: <992285733.3b25142524122@public.webmail.cotse.com> At 3:47 AM +0000 6/11/01, Dr. Evil wrote: >I need to sign up for health insurance tomorrow. I'm going to buy >individual coverage from Kaiser. On their form, it asks for an SSN, >of course. > >Well, Kaiser is not a government agency, and is certainly not >associated with the Social Security Adminisrtation in any way, so they >have no legitimate need for my SSN, and I don't want to give it to >them. Try to get your employer to arrange to use employee ID numbers rather than SSNs as the healthcare identifier. If it can work in New York, it can work anywhere... Failing that, why not save up the money you would have paid out every month in a separate account and insure yourself? If you're young and in good health, it might be worth the risk while you save up a good amount for later. I used to work at a place that paid me fifty bucks every month for NOT signing up with their health plan. Wouldn't hurt to ask! I've heard enough horror stories about Kaiser to think there's got to be a better option for you out there, at any rate. ~Faustine. *** The whole of the developments and operations of analysis are now capable of being executed by machinery. ... As soon as an Analytical Engine exists, it will necessarily guide the future course of science. Passage from the Life of a Philosopher, Charles Babbage (London 1864) From George at Orwellian.Org Mon Jun 11 12:51:10 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The Chong-ster Message-ID: <200106111951.PAA18325@www6.aa.psiweb.com> http://www.writtenbyme.com/content/49232 # # Legalization of Marijuana 'High Priority' of Tommy Chong's # Presidential Bid in 2004 # # by wyoming farnsworth, 7th June 2001. # # Under Chong's vision, the Benevolent United Radical Party (BURP) # has adopted a political agenda that's considered 'extreme' even # by political extremists. At present, BURP has publicly committed, # through printing of its party agenda, to: # # Disband the United States of America in favor of # "a less-is-more kinda country"; # # Establish any and all Taco Bell restaurant food entrees as a # "Fifth Food Group" to the currently existing "Four"; # # Ban all 'country' but not 'western' music, along with # dismantling and "burning at the stake" all of the entire # Nashville record-producing community; # # Utilize the vast resources of the FBI, CIA, and the NSA to # locate the long-rumored-dead Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe, # and Buddy Holly; # # Motorize all grocery stores shopping carts; and # # Globally legalize, cultivate, and distribute marijuana. # # "Yeah," Chong said, scratching his genitalia for several moments # as he ponders his party's future. "I think the marijuana thing's # gonna be a bitch. You know? Like, can the U.S. make law for the # whole world? I think it can, and, if I get elected president, # you know, like, it'll happen." # # The Benevolent United Radical Party maintains its headquarters # in Tiujauna, Mexico, although for purposes of eluding taxation # they appear to have multiple HQ locations in Delaware, South # Dakota, Iowa, Wyoming, Georgia, and Oregon. # # "Actually, what it is is a big f**king mobile home," Chong # explains. "It's painted just like the f**king Partridge Family # bus, you know, with colorful squares and cubes and trapezoids # and shit. BURP goes wherever the wind blows, man." # # "Like, that's what makes it magic, man." From editor at newsletter.join4free.com Mon Jun 11 15:51:16 2001 From: editor at newsletter.join4free.com (editor at newsletter.join4free.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FREE Offer From Adam & Eve!=> cypherpunks@toad.com Message-ID: <200106112251.PAA20230@toad.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Mon Jun 11 14:30:42 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:30:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: SCOTUS rulz! (fwd) Message-ID: Where did that scum bag Scalia get the 'in general public use' test? Geez, these guys make it up as they go along... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:25:19 -0400 (EDT) From: George at Orwellian.Org Reply-To: cypherpunks at ssz.com To: cypherpunks at cyberpass.net Subject: CDR: SCOTUS rulz! http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Scotus-Heat-Detector.html # # June 11, 2001 # # Court Rules Against Heat-Sensor Searches # # Filed at 11:03 a.m. ET # # WASHINGTON (AP) -- Police violate the Constitution if they use # a heat-sensing device to peer inside a home without a search # warrant, the Supreme Court ruled Monday. # # An unusual lineup of five justices voted to bolster the Fourth # Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches and threw # out an Oregon man's conviction for growing marijuana. # # Monday's ruling reversed a lower court decision that said # officers' use of a heat-sensing device was not a search of Danny # Lee Kyllo's home and therefore they did not need a search warrant. # # In an opinion written by Justice Antonin Scalia, by many measures # the most conservative member of the court, the majority found # that the heat detector allowed police to see things they otherwise # could not. # # ``Where, as here, the government uses a device that is not in # general public use to explore details of the home that would # previously have been unknowable without physical intrusion, the # surveillance is a 'search' and is presumptively unreasonable # without a warrant,'' Scalia wrote. # # While the court has previously approved some warrantless searches, # this one did not meet tests the court has previously set, Scalia # wrote. # # The decision means the information police gathered with the # thermal device -- namely a suspicious pattern of hot spots on # the home's exterior walls -- cannot be used against Kyllo. # # The court sent the case back to lower courts to determine whether # police have enough other basis to support the search warrant # that was eventually served on Kyllo, and thus whether any of # the evidence inside his home can be used against him. # # Justices Clarence Thomas, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg # and Stephen Breyer joined the majority. # # Justice John Paul Stevens wrote a dissenting opinion joined by # Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, and Justices Sandra Day # O'Connor and Anthony M. Kennedy. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Mon Jun 11 14:31:01 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:31:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Crypto Survey May 2001 by Markku J. Saarelainen (fwd) Message-ID: -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:04:37 -0700 From: Markku Saarelainen To: mjs.crypto at eudoramail.com Subject: Crypto Survey May 2001 by Markku J. Saarelainen ******************************************************** CRYPTO SURVEY MAY 2001 Cryptographic Survey, May 2001, Markku J. Saarelainen Email: cryptocom at hotvoice.com ******************************************************** A SUMMARY CONCLUSION: The major societal development since the 1st and 2nd crypto surveys in 1996 and 1997 has been the removal of many regulatory barriers for open trading of cryptographic products in the North America and globally. In addition, the number of cryptographic applications and component implementations has increased, while at the same time the variety of different types of solutions has risen. This does not necessarily mean the wider use of encryption in businesses and personal activities. Many same or similar behavioral barriers for the effective utilization of many security solutions still exist limiting the protection of communications, data storage and networking. In addition, the lack of the interoperability between solutions from different suppliers tends to decrease the number of effective cryptography users worldwide. It is clear that the awareness for encrypted communication and protected information activities has increased, while necessary regulatory changes for protectin! g ! entities from security vulnerabilities has enabled cryptographic product suppliers to satisfy market requirements in the U.S.A., in the North America and globally. However, regulatory and cultural differences exist from one nation or region to another creating a global unbalanced situation of the security use, which has the reducing effect on security practices and policy implementations of any global entity in different regions. This impacts on the interoperability of units of global entities. It is likely that there shall be greater competing drives in the information technology market place between different security strategies and approaches from different software and hardware product and security suppliers. ******************************************************** QUESTION 1. In your opinion, what are the 5-10 most significant applications of encryption technologies currently in commercial enterprises? ******************************************************** 1. HTTP over SSL (aka HTTPS) / SSL for credit card processing / SSL / Web-activity privacy (SSL) 2. IPsec 3. RSA Secure ID (maybe) 4. Online Credit Card Processing & Financial Transfers 5. VPNs / Virtual Private Networks for widely distributed offices / VPN for remote access to Intranet 6. Email encryption (via PGP/GPG or SMIME) / Encrypted Messages / Email Privacy 7. Digital signing authentication of messages 8. Consensus and voting software (not now but give it 5 years) 9. Encrypted file systems for sensitive data 10. Signing software for installation 11. Signing email messages to show official authority 12. Wireless local area network encryption 13. Password protection/access control 14. Data protection 15. Session protection (VPN's) 16. Authentication and authorization / Customer authentication (e.g. PIN checking) 17. Securing B2B file exchange 18. PKI 19. Remote secure teleworking 20. Digital signatures 21. Time-stamping ******************************************************** QUESTION 2. In your opinion, what are 5-10 main barriers currently that may prevent the successful implementation and utilization of encryption technologies in commercial enterprises? ******************************************************** 1. Ignorance of risks prevents purchase 2. Dishonest portrayal of product (i.e.: false security claims and blatant product holes in end-to-end protection) promotes distrust in the whole industry 3. Most products are a waste of time because they are not a comprehensive solution - e.g.: why bother using PGP when there is nothing in any NAI products to protect against back-office-style electronic eavesdropping attacks? 4. Many people do not care about cryptography and/or security products 5. Having lived happily without serious protection for a long while, most customers believe there is no point retrofitting an expensive solution for a problem they do not have (and many of them are probably right...) 6. Lack of knowledge by decision-maker 7. Low knowledge level of users 8. Lack of knowledge by computer scientists 9. Lack of complete standards (S/MIME to be extended, ...) 10. Cost 11. It is too hard to use / complexity / Not transparent enough and made user hard to use. 12. Difficult and complex configurations. 13. Diversity of enterprise 14. Trained security personnel 15. Commercial operating systems are too difficult to secure and hence there is no such thing as a rusted base 16. No widely accepted standard for smart cards or tokens 17. No facility for reading smart cards or tokens on mass market PCs 18. Character limit on Microsoft passwords 19. Bad advice on password generation 20. Unjustified prices for non-commodity products 21. Confused security market - lack of standards and best practices, everyone is trying to define their own market segment and different way to solve the same common problem. 22. Protectiveness of public sector - local solutions are preferred 23. No. 1 is the need of users training, as they tend not to understand too well what procedures are for encryption. This can mean huge resources/budgeting requirements and the aftermath of running Helpdesk support. 24. Key distribution is also a major consideration for large user groups. PKI seems to address this problem but it brings forth more problems of its own. PKI is not simple to set up in a production environment and certificates rollout is a noted issue. Incompatibility issues with various PKI vendors' product may bring down the whole PKI project. Very often customers are forced into accepting single PKI supplier solution. PKI related standards abound but incompatibility is still with us. Also an issue is the insufficient supply of security professional to serve customers' demand. 25. Lack of PKI or alternative 26. Expensive charges by digital certificate issuers 27. Difficulty of users managing passwords 28. Failures of interoperability between vendors implementing "standards" 29. IS department sees encryption as a limit on its monitoring activities 30. Users lack of security knowledge 31. Interoperability between heterogeneous systems 32. Not aware of the importance of security 33. Complex key management 34. Inefficiency 35. Most existing Public Key infrastructures are based on deeply flawed models of trust. They abandon the idea of trust and aim to prove identity instead - but fail to do even that since Verisign, etc, do not adequately protect themselves from fraud. 36. There are too few key authorities and the business has substantial barriers to entry. Basically, if you cannot get your root key into the default configuration of the majority browser (for which the software company that makes the majority browser will charge a very large amount of money) then your key authority is a non-starter. This creates a monopoly environment in which customers are being drastically overcharged and underserved for their key certificates, and also creates targets for hacking, fraud, or legal compromise, which would cause enormous damage if compromised. 37. The non-centralized key authorities favored by PGP et al are a better trust model and don't suffer from the few-points-of-attack problem, but they are being killed by apathy. The "web of trust" is no longer a web, it's a bunch of teeny bits of webbing blowing hither and yon. 38. Software Patents. Software patents have necessitated creating multiple incompatible versions of many things that ought to be public infrastructure and utilities by now. As long as users of one version of PGP can't read or verify messages created by another, due to software patents, all versions of PGP have diminished utility. 39. Development practices. It is almost impossible to write secure code using what is now considered "ordinary" Object-oriented programming. GUI's and windowing systems have so many deep security flaws that security is nearly impossible unless these things are reimplemented from the ground up. In particular, every windowing system on the market makes it possible to monitor keystrokes intended for a different program, and none even have an option to "clear" memory of what's on the screen before releasing the memory back to the system where another program can allocate it. 40. Protocol Impoverishment. There are many useful protocols that have been discussed and discovered, but very *VERY* few of them have ever seen a robust or publicly available implementation. ********************************************************* QUESTION 3. What are activities and projects that can be initiated and taken to lower and reduce above barriers (see the question 2.)? ********************************************************* 1. Introduce a new government law which makes security companies 100% liable and responsible for all damage and losses that occur as a result of their software failing to perform the purpose it was sold for, and failing to live up to their advertised claims. This will force product vendors to revise their claims, remove the lies from their packaging, and cause them to have to print lengthy explanations of what threats their products can not withstand. This will give customers an opportunity to understand what risks they really face after using various products and an opportunity to seriously compare different products pre-purchase. 2. Education and training 3. Consulting or outsourcing of enterprise security 4. More publicity 5. Standardization 6. Integration of security products into mass-market software 7. There is little we can do about the end-users, I think time is the best cure here. Imagine asking the government or any organization to provide free training on security practices to all. Hopefully, users will see encryption is a tool to protect them and help them rather than something hindering their work and therefore must fight against. On the (encryption) technology side I believe the industry can do something to help the poor users and itself as a side bonus. It would be much easier for security integrators if different vendors work together making their solutions friendlier to each other. I notice this trend has started already but I think it is not enough. There should be some form of non-vendor affiliated body that run some certification scheme to endorse/state "what product from which vendor is compatible with who" sort of reference. 8. Remove the barriers listed in Question 2 9. Develop an alternate Internet based on secure technology. 10. Education project to be launched in include cryptography in engineering and computer scientist basic school programs. 11. A widely accepted, free certificate issuer would solve the PKI and certificate-expense problems. This could be a government service. 12. Simplification of security standards and focusing on profiles, which represent limited but functional subsets will help with interop. 13. Most security standards are too complex. 14. Children should begin being trained in school to deal with network security throughout their lives. They should learn to memorize passwords and understand the basic functionality of two key cryptography. 15. Schools should prepare children for a life where crypto keys are tools they are as comfortable using as computers. 16. Push a practical PKI for ease of use. 17. Make interface more friendly and transparent to the users. 18. Reduce human interactions. 19. Make configuration easy. 20. Public domain or public-license sw for an extended set of protocols ought to be developed. Software patents have become a "poison pill" to compatibility, so they ought to be avoided and it ought to be possible to completely avoid them. GPG and OpenSSH are the two premier examples of this, and their existence has a lot to do with the technologies they represent having finally become important. 21. Public awareness of the probability and consequences of failure to keep data secure. This is sorely lacking now, although the IT departments of major companies are finally starting to "get it". 22. Public Key authorities need to be much easier to set up. 23. Crypto books aimed at kids and amateurs. The developers stuff is there already, but it's hard to draw new workers into the field beyond the stale "spy glamour" thing. Anyway, kids and amateurs are the future security pros who can solve the major problems with software and etc; we just need more people in the field who are willing to get their hands dirty and experiment with code. This is one of the most lopsided fields of software development, where we have *SCADS* of ideas from academics that no one has had time to properly implement yet. We need a lot of implementers to get really fired up about it. ******************************************************** ******************************************************** CRYPTO SURVEYS OF 1996 AND 1997 ******************************************************** SURVEY SUMMARY : ENCRYPTION FOLLOW-UP SURVEY MAY, 1997 Note: This survey summary contains raw survey results that have NOT been analyzed, evaluated or prioritized. The results are based on comments and opinions (all of which may not be facts) that were received from many individuals who responded to the original (October 1996) survey. ***************************** QUESTION 1: In your opinion, what are main developments in the adoption of encryption technologies in commercial enterprises since October, 1996? ***************************** "The continued government attempts to get 'key recovery', and a certain amount of reluctant willingness from business." "Purely for e-commerce reasons have there been any advancements. The rest of the encryption world (privacy/freedom etc.) have been appallingly backward and most governments will tend to hold them back." "Network Computers (NCs)." "Slight easing of export restrictions. Development of several payment protocols. Increasing adoption of retail commerce over the net as evidenced by recent IPO of Amazon.com." "There is some movement towards more advanced mathematics. The market is searching for patent free/royalty free encryption. Governments are attempting to halt it, but are failing miserably." "Electronic payment via The Internet." "C2's bypass of the export regulations. The broader adoption of SSL. Eudora plugins for PGP." "-SSL has been widely used for the securing of data for a number of on-line Internet banks. -Encrypted tunneling products which extend the corporate Intranet/LAN are now becoming widely available. -Smart cards are finally appearing in North America. In Canada alone Visa Cash, Exact (Proton?), and Mondex are going through trials. -SSL is now widely used to protect credit card transactions on a number of internet retail sites -The US government continues to support key escrow for exported encryption. -Major players (i.e. banks, IBM, MS, HP, VeriFone) are taking steps to integrate SET into their range of products. -Future browsers are going to allow smart cards to Interface with the Internet." ***************************** QUESTION 2: In your opinion, what are 5-10 main barriers currently that may prevent the successful implementation and utilization of encryption technologies in commercial enterprises? ***************************** "-Legislation and government intervention for strong encryption. -Unfamiliarity with the technology will produce mistrust of its reliability. -Safe key-management processes are difficult to achieve. This will reduce the security of cryptography and thus its usefulness for many applications. -Cryptography is not user-friendly right now. Until it becomes so than it is unlikely to achieve widespread usage. -Licensing fees for cryptographic algorithms are not cheap. Until patents expire for things like the RSA public key algorithm the costs of developing reliable cryptographic products will remain high. - There are a large number of cryptographic products with no clear standards in sight." "Export regulations." "Lack of perceived need." "Lack of expertise among engineers and technicians." "a) Lack of interest in security b) Concentration on cost c) Lack of ready-to-use cheap tools d) Legislation and potential legislation e) Patents and licensing issues" "Government inadequacies in legislation, Vendors propensity to hand private keys to government (extrapolate that to insecurity when a person working for a vendor is bribed to give out a private key), Costs, Public reluctance in encryption (FUD factor)" "Threats to roles of traditional players (e.g., SET's effect on card issuers)., Seamless integration into products., Education of users., Regulatory obstacles. Widespread availability." "1) ease of use, 2) cost of real security, 3) an understanding of security details, 4) a lack of understanding the difference between cryptography and security 5) uncertainty as to what the government rules are" "- exportability (permissions are needed if a product implements cryptography, and 2 or more versions of the software has to be build), - patents (can't exploit algorithms without negotiating royalties)" "The governments export restrictions on strong cryptographic algorithms." " It is not a question of availability of software, but of interoperability between systems made/sold in different regions of the world." "Government FUD. Ease of use. Cost of training etc. Worry about leakage of secrets." ***************************** QUESTION 3: What are activities and projects that can be initiated and taken to lower and reduce above barriers (see the question 2.)? ***************************** "a) Wider accurate publication of security lapses. b),c) Cheap tools fitted for a job. I just read a Sun catalogue where much of the software (including security software) has laughable prices. Get a straightforward Virtual Private Network from 100 pounds for a start. d) Do strong lobbying and occupy lawmaker's time with other stuff when they seem to be going in the wrong direction. e) Wait for some important expiry dates. Have more reasonable contact with license-holders. Bypass licenses by producing new methods that get less restriction." "Continued integration into key products such as Netscape and IE. Perhaps even into OSes." "Lowering the barriers to deploying certification authority infrastructures for use w/in intranets. (in terms of cost, ease of administration, etc.), Further efforts at deregulation." "Lobby governments, Do not place restrictions for vendor based key management, Push for totally private key systems" "A not for profit, global, public education group should be created whose purpose is to help educate businesses. Secondarily it should educate the public on the issues of privacy, but the primary goal should be to get all businesses (mainly the small ones) to understand that simple pains can give a great deal of security, and that the cost is worth the money and time saved from fraud and theft." "An e-mail program that a "stoned hippy" could use and still not leak information is needed. It would not allow too much flexibility, but it would give "the masses" a hands on feel for what security is and how crypto plays a role in their everyday life. Six year old kids and their grandmothers could be using even this simple security level for e-mail. It would go a long way because people will ask many questions, and they will get many answers. It would more rapidly diffuse the information and education over the populace (world wide)." "Develop simple and user-friendly ways to use cryptography and manage keys effectively." "Reduce the ability for corporations to patent cryptographic processes, key-management techniques, and anything other than completely unique cryptographic algorithms. We don't need research into new cryptography we need open access to refinements of what exists. If people can patent those refinements then it reduces the access people have to these new technologies at the expense of society at large." "Eliminate export barriers on strong encryption." "Education (public): crypto is used for authentication as well as privacy. It is *not* military or espionage technology. It is (required) enabling technology for tomorrow's information superhighway." "Education (professional): principles of information security taught in all relevant courses. (e.g. computing, telecom, electronics, etc)." ----- Results of the original survey in October, 1996 ------- SURVEY SUMMARY: Encryption in Commercial Enterprises October, 1996 by M. J. Saarelainen SURVEY METHODS BRIEFLY: Three specific questions were sent to several mailing lists and news groups. The great number of responses was received. These responses were compiled as received to the list (without any priorities) below. No detailed analysis or evaluations were completed at this time. Please, review these questions and responses and let me know, if you like to add, remove or change something. Thanks. ------- QUESTION 1. In your opinion, what are the 5-10 most significant applications of encryption technologies currently in commercial enterprises? RESPONSES (# of responses = 29) TO QUESTION 1: 1. Secure E-Mail / Secure E-mail SMTP/POP3 mail client 2. Secure Internet-Shopping 3. Encrypt the entire internet ( encrypting routers etc. ) 4. Encrypted file systems - partition for laptops 5. Encrypted voice (cellular, cordless, wireline, voice-over-internet) 6. Secure FAX 7. Point-to-point encrypted links, for corporations using the Internet as a WAN. 8. EDI (both encryption & authentication), Electronic Data Interchange (EDI) 9. Secure FTP client/server software 10. Secure FTP client only software 11. Secure UNIX FTP server software 12. Secure File based encryption for HD and Floppy 13. Accounting departments need to ensure their data can't be changed 14. Engineering needs to ensure competition doesn't easily steal ideas 15. Secure login (and insecure, in the case of Unix) 16. Network traffic encryption 17. Local file/data protection (incl. backup protection) 18. Protection of proprietary information while allowing company use of it. 19. Crypto applications as an element in the information security system 20. Regional and national electric power exchanges between companies 21. Large investment banks who want to coordinate across their own organizations and others in significant numbers 22. Healthcare cries out for encryption 23. The military for sensitive non-classified information. 24. Law enforcement is a natural for the internet, if they could agree on a common security solution. 25. Online banking, online sales and commerce, data protection on commercial database servers, secure transfer of govt. information, ie. tax information on citizens. 26. The most widely spread encryption technologies are pgp and proprietary hardware solutions by different providers like Cylink etc. SSL is now upcoming. 27. Protection and storage of Archives 28. Person to person communication within an organization. 29. Secure remote communications (over the Internet) -------- QUESTION 2. In your opinion, what are 5-10 main barriers currently that may prevent the successful implementation and utilization of encryption technologies in commercial enterprises? RESPONSES (# of responses = 22) TO QUESTION 2: 1. Cryptic user interfaces 2. ITAR regulations, Government regulation or restrictions of use of strong encryption, Government export restrictions for strong encryption. 3. Ignorance ( pegasus provides REAL encryption ) 4. Lack of knowledge of resources available to Business. 5. Misunderstanding that encryption is complicated. 6. Misunderstanding that encryption is costly. 7. General lack of knowledge as to how to write *strong* encryption 8. Lack of integration of strong encryption so that the user must learn/know too much in order to use it properly 9. General lack of understanding of the necessity of *strong* encryption 10. Difficult to use 11. Slow speed 12. Complexity makes choices difficult since no one can be a full expert 13. Workers have to wait for a supervisor 14. A lack of understanding of the technology 15. The lack of good cost-benefit analysis data 16. On the product development side, few companies have both the engineering and the marketing/industry expertise to successfully make good secure products which meet real market needs and demands 17. Key Management. The ability for a user to gain authentification for use of cryptographic programs, to access information for which that person is authorized. Passwords can be forgotten, or copied, verifying a user easily is very difficult. 18. Lack of standards, and most of all lack of good certification services. 19. The second barrier derives from a missing standard interface in E-Mail, ftp ... solutions.so transparently embed widely spread encryption 20. Lack of knowledge of encryption is a big hurdle to it's implementation. Non-technical people are required to evaluate the use of a technological product they may not understand completely. It's difficult to put your trust in an algorithm when you don't understand how it works. 21. Many enterprises may not be aware of how easy it is to begin using encryption within their organization. 22. Many organizations may not recognize the need to protect information within their organization. Some may not be aware of how easy it is to tap into electronic communications. -------- QUESTION 3. What are activities and projects that can be initiated and taken to lower and reduce above barriers (see the question 2.)? RESPONSES (# of responses = 27) TO QUESTION 3: 1. Integrated mail reader with PGP capabilities, easy to use 2. Spreading awareness of how useful strong crypto really is. 3. Spreading awareness of exactly *why* governments seeks to prevent the spread of crypto. 4. Writing strong encryption software and placing it in the public domain. 5. Proving by actual demonstration that existing encryption is inadequate. 6. Encouraging wealthy crypto advocates to speak freely. 7. Education of users and vendors of the issues 8. Lobbying of governments by aforementioned enlightened users/vendors 9. Different products need to be created which can interoperate transparently to the user, but not deliver data unless operator is valid 10. Smart cards which attach to every terminal, the cards go with the person and they can validate themselves at any terminal 11. Overcoming the complexity barrier requires patient teaching of each client 12. A set of brochures and pamphlets needs to be created which describes most systems in use for a particular level of security 13. A major project would be to simply educate the managers of most companies about crypto, to remove the magic and bring the whole thing down to earth 14. Manufacturers need to go to more trouble talking with customers before designing products and be more creative in finding ways to meet market needs 15. Security companies also need to audit themselves and demonstrate that they are trustworthy 16. Better turnkey low-cost enterprise-wide solutions to common problems (network encryption, for example) are needed. 17. Make applications easier to use, Build easy to use encryption into applications so that it is smooth or even transparent to users 18. Universal standards for dual key encryption 19. Reduce strength of encryption to increase speed 20. Large groups of customers must get together and dictate standards to the security industry. 21. The first thing is to implement a transparent interface to encryption function to all data transfer services. 22. The second would be to get all suppliers of encryption technologies to confirm to this standard. 23. I think the best thing is to initiate a workgroup at The Open Group responsible for encryption interfaces. 24. Public Software such as PGP should be widely available. The more people are experienced with this software the more likely they are to use and trust it. 25. Making software like PGP widely available means more than just making sure copies of it are accessible. It also means making it user-friendly enough. 26. Education is also required. I find that very few people really know about these issues. 27. 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(fwd) > > Where did that scum bag Scalia get the 'in general public use' test? > > Geez, these guys make it up as they go along... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:25:19 -0400 (EDT) > From: George at Orwellian.Org > Reply-To: cypherpunks at ssz.com > To: cypherpunks at cyberpass.net > Subject: CDR: SCOTUS rulz! > > http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Scotus-Heat-Detector.html > # > # June 11, 2001 > # > # Court Rules Against Heat-Sensor Searches > # > # Filed at 11:03 a.m. ET > # > # WASHINGTON (AP) -- Police violate the Constitution if they use > # a heat-sensing device to peer inside a home without a search > # warrant, the Supreme Court ruled Monday. > # > # An unusual lineup of five justices voted to bolster the Fourth > # Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches and threw > # out an Oregon man's conviction for growing marijuana. > # > # Monday's ruling reversed a lower court decision that said > # officers' use of a heat-sensing device was not a search of Danny > # Lee Kyllo's home and therefore they did not need a search warrant. > # > # In an opinion written by Justice Antonin Scalia, by many measures > # the most conservative member of the court, the majority found > # that the heat detector allowed police to see things they otherwise > # could not. > # > # ``Where, as here, the government uses a device that is not in > # general public use to explore details of the home that would > # previously have been unknowable without physical intrusion, the > # surveillance is a 'search' and is presumptively unreasonable > # without a warrant,'' Scalia wrote. > # > # While the court has previously approved some warrantless searches, > # this one did not meet tests the court has previously set, Scalia > # wrote. > # > # The decision means the information police gathered with the > # thermal device -- namely a suspicious pattern of hot spots on > # the home's exterior walls -- cannot be used against Kyllo. > # > # The court sent the case back to lower courts to determine whether > # police have enough other basis to support the search warrant > # that was eventually served on Kyllo, and thus whether any of > # the evidence inside his home can be used against him. > # > # Justices Clarence Thomas, David H. 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And, of course, keep up-wind From cv32698 at pchome.com.tw Mon Jun 11 05:54:25 2001 From: cv32698 at pchome.com.tw (cv32698) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:54:25 +0800 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <004901c0f275$a5786480$e82c20a3@hinet.net> 有無最新目錄 最好有CAD軟體 cv32698 at pchome.com.tw -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 474 bytes Desc: not available URL: From declan at well.com Mon Jun 11 18:24:54 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:24:54 -0400 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: ; from ravage@ssz.com on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 04:27:17PM -0500 References: <200106111408.KAA09170@www7.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <20010611212454.A2185@cluebot.com> Nobody's holding a gun to your head and telling you to configure your servers in a certain way. ORBS is a reputation-publishing tool. Extremely cypherpunkish. One wonders why Choate is even on this list instead of commie-privacy-lefty-punks instead. -Declan On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 04:27:17PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > > > http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/06/08/orbs/print.html > > # > > # A spam cop goes AWOL > > # > > # The ORBS blacklist, a controversial tool for stopping unsolicited > > # e-mail, is suddenly inaccessible. > > It does no such thing. What ORBS does do is go around telling MTA > operators how to configure their servers, or else. > > I hope ORBS burns in hell. > > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" > > Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From measl at mfn.org Mon Jun 11 19:28:56 2001 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:28:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <20010611212454.A2185@cluebot.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > ORBS is a reputation-publishing tool. Total Bullshit. None of my domains have *ever* had a single spamming incident, yet we were on their list. I guess our reputation was that we were *potential* spammers? Fuck ORBS. > -Declan -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. 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BOX 73 VESTAL, N.Y. 13850 cypherpunks at ssz.com From mnorton at cavern.uark.edu Mon Jun 11 21:15:16 2001 From: mnorton at cavern.uark.edu (Mac Norton) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:15:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think it's a typo. I think Declan meant reputation punishing tool. If he didn't, he should have. Good riddance to bad rubbish--though, as I suppose would Declan or even Choate, I'd defend the bastard's right to be a bastard, so long as he's willing to pay up when he causes real damage--or just gets caught in an arbitrary system not of his own arbitrary devise, such as the courts. If you're going to be a tyrant, you'd better be able to cope with it. Apparently Mr. ORBS wasn't. MacN On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 measl at mfn.org wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > ORBS is a reputation-publishing tool. > > Total Bullshit. > > None of my domains have *ever* had a single spamming incident, yet we were > on their list. I guess our reputation was that we were *potential* > spammers? > > Fuck ORBS. > > > -Declan > > -- > Yours, > J.A. Terranson > sysadmin at mfn.org > > If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they > should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: > Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of > unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in > the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and > elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire > populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... > This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States > as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. > > The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, > associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of > those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the > first place... > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From mnorton at cavern.uark.edu Mon Jun 11 21:19:29 2001 From: mnorton at cavern.uark.edu (Mac Norton) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:19:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <20010611212454.A2185@cluebot.com> Message-ID: Whoa. commie privacy leftie punks? what was ORBS? And we don't have to talk about holding guns to heads. We're talking about holding a boycott to heads. Sounds pretty commie leftie to me. Talk about sheeple, jeez. MacN On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Nobody's holding a gun to your head and telling you to configure your > servers in a certain way. > > ORBS is a reputation-publishing tool. Extremely cypherpunkish. One wonders > why Choate is even on this list instead of commie-privacy-lefty-punks instead. > > -Declan > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 04:27:17PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > > > > > http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/06/08/orbs/print.html > > > # > > > # A spam cop goes AWOL > > > # > > > # The ORBS blacklist, a controversial tool for stopping unsolicited > > > # e-mail, is suddenly inaccessible. > > > > It does no such thing. What ORBS does do is go around telling MTA > > operators how to configure their servers, or else. > > > > I hope ORBS burns in hell. > > > > > > -- > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" > > > > Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams > > > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com > > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Mon Jun 11 21:22:27 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:22:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: SCOTUS rulz! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20010612001344.C4347@cluebot.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Yes, there's that Scalia, the well-known pinko commie. Actually he's a fascist, government management of private activity. In economic terms he's a 'strong centraly regulated market' afficianado. An commie doesn't believe in a 'market' per se, it's all 'command'. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Mon Jun 11 21:26:24 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:26:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Mac Norton wrote: > I think it's a typo. I think Declan meant > reputation punishing tool. > > If he didn't, he should have. Good riddance > to bad rubbish--though, as I suppose would Declan > or even Choate, I'd defend the bastard's right to > be a bastard, so long as he's willing to pay up > when he causes real damage But's they won't. I've tried to open a discussion with them on several occassions and their attitude is 'do it our way'. The only(!) way I'd support their activity is if they had a 'opt out' to their database. I have no desire to participate in their 'project' in any way. Yet I don't have that choice. So, no, I don't support his activity when it involved me against my wishes. There is something particularly slimey about that. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From bill.stewart at pobox.com Mon Jun 11 23:29:41 2001 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:29:41 -0700 Subject: (on Young's "private language") In-Reply-To: References: <3B24C5DF.9422918F@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010611232257.01b3b4b0@idiom.com> At 09:29 PM 06/11/2001 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: >As so many have pointed out, privately. >I was referring to a time before the media was uhm...expatriciated. > >Anybody care to cast a lot for their picks of Net/new media written in the >spirit of gentil intellection? John's writing may lead to some speculation about whether he did a little too much James Joyce in the 60s, but it's worth reading a much higher fraction of the time than most Internet writers, and when he's making stuff up it's almost always creative and interesting. On the other hand, it's less clear whether *you're* asking about people who write in a gently intellectual spirit or whether you're talking about goyish intellectuals here... From bill.stewart at pobox.com Tue Jun 12 00:05:58 2001 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:05:58 -0700 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! (And digging out...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010611235046.01b821a0@idiom.com> ORBS *was* a reputation server - as with any real instance of such, the reputations it publishes are the opinions of the publisher, and the rest of the users of the higher-level reputation system have to decide how much creedence to give those opinions. In this case, a sufficiently large number of people rate ORBS the way Mac, Choate, and measl do, i.e. varying degrees of dislike, that they're now toast (and good riddance to them.) On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:19:29PM -0500, Mac Norton wrote: > Whoa. commie privacy leftie punks? what was ORBS? > And we don't have to talk about holding guns to > heads. We're talking about holding a boycott > to heads. Sounds pretty commie leftie to me. > Talk about sheeple, jeez. Boycotting a boycott organizer, plus boycotting a boycott organizer who's boycotting another boycott organizer. While Declan's comment about Choate was a bit offtopic, you could draw analogies between ORBS and the McCarthyite Red Baiters. "I have a list here of 200 Spammunists, and if you don't trust my list, YOU must be a Spammunist Dupe and we'll put you on the list too!" Unlike Vixie's MAPS, which was mostly well-behaved and reasonable, ORBS was a loose cannon blasting around at random, and to continue the Anti-Commie analogy, they _did_ go busting into places hunting suspected Spammies, and harassing anybody who objected like FBI agents harassing anybody who insisted on seeing a warrant. A real reputation system needs to deal with extremes like this, including small, loud agitators, big quiet ones Disneyfying the culture or Moral Majoritarians, ranting Detweilers with axes to grind (who gave us invaluable practice before the spam floods hit) and all sorts of other problems. ORBS was a good learning experience. So is the trouble that people like John Gilmore (and to a lesser extent, me) are having with spam-blocker technology (mainly closed relays) blocking legitimate email. The 802.11 wireless LAN technology and the risks of drive-by spammers balanced with the desire for open access give us some more opportunities to find a good balance of openness vs. ease of abuse. Anybody want to build a hashcash-enabled SMTP relay for wireless? Or for that matter, a hashcash-enabled SMTP proxy for general use? From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Mon Jun 11 22:10:40 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:10:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <20010612004951.D4347@cluebot.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > The only black hole in this conversation are the Choatian posts. > > ORBS/RBL/etc. in principle are making statements about what they > believe about other people. This is similar to movie or book reviewing. > People may read my review and stay away from a movie/book, just as they > read an ORBS/RBL/MAPS "review" and stay away from certain addresses. Malarky, they actively(!) participate. What ORBS and their ilk do is collect scans of IP's across the Internet, some do it directly, some do it through independent 3rd parties, and direct complaints. The only way ORBS will remove you from the database is if you allow(!) them to re-scan your MTA and verify to their satisfaction you are not in any way running an Open Relay. They then make this database (usually for some sort of fee) available to other groups who then actively filter submissions to their sites. In other words if I have a friend who I want to exchange private mail with, ORBS's uses their trumped excuse for justification to inject their belief system into that. Truly heinous. Since when did I have any sort of obligation to help them in their particular crusade? My duties as a citizen and human being are not to interfere. I'm not saying 'Stop', I'm only saying 'Let me off'. There is no technical or legal standard to back their actions. There is no 'authority' for them to decide who may configure their software how (and the fact that they tell a private citizen is particularly irksome, more angels among men I guess). Just another fascist bastard. Freedom for me, but not for thee... -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From declan at well.com Mon Jun 11 21:13:08 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:13:08 -0400 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: ; from measl@mfn.org on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:28:56PM -0500 References: <20010611212454.A2185@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <20010612001308.B4347@cluebot.com> I see I was unclear. I never said ORBS is an *accurate* reputation-publishing tool. I have never said it was entirely focused on spammers. I have never said I uncritically accept it or use it on the machines for which I am responsible.* But it is, nevertheless, beyond question that ORBS and its progeny allow their operators to broadcast their views about what they think about some certain network addresses or domains. If they go too far and are too zealous, the market will move toward a better solution. Like I said, very cypherpunkly. -Declan * In fact, I wrote earlier this year: Slashdot ran a thought-provoking piece not so long ago about how anti-spam measures (that I have long endorsed) like the RBL and its progeny are moving from blackholing spammers to blackholing sites with software that *could be used* to spam. While that's a private activity, it's treading the same path that Rep. Bob Goodlatteis with his plan to criminalize software that could be used to send bulk messages. At least the RBL is limited by market pressures: If it goes too far, ISPs will stop using it. But while free markets are the best way we've found yet to order society, they're hardly perfect, and RBL could overreact and restrict some folks who are undeserving in the interim. On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:28:56PM -0500, measl at mfn.org wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > ORBS is a reputation-publishing tool. > > Total Bullshit. > > None of my domains have *ever* had a single spamming incident, yet we were > on their list. I guess our reputation was that we were *potential* > spammers? > > Fuck ORBS. > > > -Declan > > -- > Yours, > J.A. Terranson > sysadmin at mfn.org > > If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they > should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: > Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of > unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in > the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and > elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire > populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... > This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States > as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. > > The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, > associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of > those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the > first place... > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From declan at well.com Mon Jun 11 21:13:44 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:13:44 -0400 Subject: SCOTUS rulz! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <00a101c0f2e9$9a18eb40$05fcb018@c1656070a>; from atek3@gmx.net on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 07:44:27PM -0700 References: <00a101c0f2e9$9a18eb40$05fcb018@c1656070a> Message-ID: <20010612001344.C4347@cluebot.com> Yes, there's that Scalia, the well-known pinko commie. -Declan On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 07:44:27PM -0700, atek3 wrote: > what a frigging nightmare, when the only people standing in the way of a > wholesale rape of our civil liberties are leftists. > > atek3 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Choate" > To: "The Club Inferno" > Cc: ; > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 2:30 PM > Subject: SCOTUS rulz! (fwd) > > > > > > Where did that scum bag Scalia get the 'in general public use' test? > > > > Geez, these guys make it up as they go along... > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:25:19 -0400 (EDT) > > From: George at Orwellian.Org > > Reply-To: cypherpunks at ssz.com > > To: cypherpunks at cyberpass.net > > Subject: CDR: SCOTUS rulz! > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Scotus-Heat-Detector.html > > # > > # June 11, 2001 > > # > > # Court Rules Against Heat-Sensor Searches > > # > > # Filed at 11:03 a.m. ET > > # > > # WASHINGTON (AP) -- Police violate the Constitution if they use > > # a heat-sensing device to peer inside a home without a search > > # warrant, the Supreme Court ruled Monday. > > # > > # An unusual lineup of five justices voted to bolster the Fourth > > # Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches and threw > > # out an Oregon man's conviction for growing marijuana. > > # > > # Monday's ruling reversed a lower court decision that said > > # officers' use of a heat-sensing device was not a search of Danny > > # Lee Kyllo's home and therefore they did not need a search warrant. > > # > > # In an opinion written by Justice Antonin Scalia, by many measures > > # the most conservative member of the court, the majority found > > # that the heat detector allowed police to see things they otherwise > > # could not. > > # > > # ``Where, as here, the government uses a device that is not in > > # general public use to explore details of the home that would > > # previously have been unknowable without physical intrusion, the > > # surveillance is a 'search' and is presumptively unreasonable > > # without a warrant,'' Scalia wrote. > > # > > # While the court has previously approved some warrantless searches, > > # this one did not meet tests the court has previously set, Scalia > > # wrote. > > # > > # The decision means the information police gathered with the > > # thermal device -- namely a suspicious pattern of hot spots on > > # the home's exterior walls -- cannot be used against Kyllo. > > # > > # The court sent the case back to lower courts to determine whether > > # police have enough other basis to support the search warrant > > # that was eventually served on Kyllo, and thus whether any of > > # the evidence inside his home can be used against him. > > # > > # Justices Clarence Thomas, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg > > # and Stephen Breyer joined the majority. > > # > > # Justice John Paul Stevens wrote a dissenting opinion joined by > > # Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, and Justices Sandra Day > > # O'Connor and Anthony M. Kennedy. > > > > > > -- > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" > > > > Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams > > > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com > > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From bill.stewart at pobox.com Tue Jun 12 00:38:01 2001 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:38:01 -0700 Subject: Automatics In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010612003316.01b79d40@idiom.com> At 12:46 AM 06/11/2001 -0700, Tim May replied: >>Well said, but: >>In _The Irish War_ there's a description of IRA improvised recoilless >>'rifles' which, like their .mil-industrial analogues, toss an equal >>mass out the back end. The reacting countermass is a bunch of flakes >>which dissipate the KE against the atmosphere. >How this Irish makeshift recoilless rifle actually works is unknown to me, >but the dissipation of KE by the chaff is not germane. >The expulsions of some mass (M) at some velocity (V) is germane, as above, >but not the way the mass behaves once it has been propelled backward. The military recoilless rifles are more or less bazookas - their objective is to fire a relatively large and usually explosive shell to blow up tanks, trucks, and other big hard targets, while still being conveniently portable. I'm also puzzled by the "flakes" comments - rapidly expanding gasses are plenty of reaction mass, though perhaps there's some sort of wadding to provide increased gas pressure that gets flaked in the explosion. From declan at well.com Mon Jun 11 21:49:51 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:49:51 -0400 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: ; from ravage@ssz.com on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:26:24PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010612004951.D4347@cluebot.com> The only black hole in this conversation are the Choatian posts. ORBS/RBL/etc. in principle are making statements about what they believe about other people. This is similar to movie or book reviewing. People may read my review and stay away from a movie/book, just as they read an ORBS/RBL/MAPS "review" and stay away from certain addresses. -Declan On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:26:24PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Mac Norton wrote: > > > I think it's a typo. I think Declan meant > > reputation punishing tool. > > > > If he didn't, he should have. Good riddance > > to bad rubbish--though, as I suppose would Declan > > or even Choate, I'd defend the bastard's right to > > be a bastard, so long as he's willing to pay up > > when he causes real damage > > But's they won't. I've tried to open a discussion with them on several > occassions and their attitude is 'do it our way'. The only(!) way I'd > support their activity is if they had a 'opt out' to their database. I > have no desire to participate in their 'project' in any way. Yet I don't > have that choice. So, no, I don't support his activity when it involved me > against my wishes. > > There is something particularly slimey about that. > > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" > > Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From declan at well.com Mon Jun 11 21:50:52 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:50:52 -0400 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: ; from mnorton@cavern.uark.edu on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:19:29PM -0500 References: <20010611212454.A2185@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <20010612005052.E4347@cluebot.com> On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:19:29PM -0500, Mac Norton wrote: > Whoa. commie privacy leftie punks? what was ORBS? > And we don't have to talk about holding guns to > heads. We're talking about holding a boycott > to heads. Sounds pretty commie leftie to me. > Talk about sheeple, jeez. Here's some background on ORBS etc. -Declan www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19572.html www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/06/08/orbs/index.html www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19460.html www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19417.html www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,35776,00.html From bill.stewart at pobox.com Tue Jun 12 00:58:58 2001 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:58:58 -0700 Subject: Entire ISP Forced to Close In-Reply-To: <200105161850.f4GIouI15426@artifact.psychedelic.net> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010612004447.00a6f8d0@idiom.com> At 11:50 AM 05/16/2001 -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: >Jim Dixon wrote: > >> Still, the Internet is for the most part a Star Network, with only the > >> very largest providers multi-homed. > > > This is not true, unless your definition of 'the very largest' is very > > loose indeed. There are many thousands of multi-homed ISPs. People > > periodically attempt to draw graphs of the relationships between > > ISPs. If you look at these you see nothing similar to a star network. > >This hasn't been my experience here in the US. I am familiar with about >10 ISPs, from small mom and pop operations, to mid-size regional >providers. > >The smallest ones have a single line. Even a pretty big ISP can run on a >single OC3, with a backup DS3. Most of my experience is with big backbone providers, big enterprises, web hosting services, and very small ISPs. Early on, there were three main backbone providers - MCI, UUNET, Sprint - and a small ISP would buy their first T1 feed from MCI (cheapest), and as soon as they could justify a second T1, they'd buy it from one of the other providers so that hopefully there wouldn't be bad routing instabilities on both at the same time. Things have gotten much more reliable, but also much bigger, and most ISPs still buy diverse connections when they need more than one. Almost every web hosting ad talks about having multiple connections, whether that's 2 T3s or 2 OC12s to different backbones, because you still need it for reliability. If you're out of service for a day, you lose customers, fast, while if your performance is doggy for a day, they'll usually stick around. Having N thousand small ISPs, and hundreds of small web hosting businesses, plus dozens of big ISPs and hosting services means there's lots of competition - if you provide undependable service, people will leave, unless they're somewhere geographically special or have other special issues. >There are a few with a handful of OC12 and OC3 circuits, but these were >generally obtained for specific customers. >I can't imagine an ISP with 50+ distinct peers, with separate circuits >to each. Most non-huge US ISPs don't have large numbers of physical peering circuits, but ISPs that use the public exchange points or carrier hotels often peer with a number of other ISPs, because that either requires just administrative agreements (on a routed exchange point) or additional PVCs (on an ATM exchange point.) Some exchange points work by everybody peering with the exchange rather than with each other, but it's a similar effect. From editor at newsletter.join4free.com Tue Jun 12 01:28:18 2001 From: editor at newsletter.join4free.com (editor at newsletter.join4free.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FREE P**sy - Filthy Smut - Todays FREE Pics!=> cypherpunks@toad.com Message-ID: <200106120828.BAA00890@toad.com> AOL USERS: Click Here For Join4Free's Daily Source Of FREE XXX Erotica! 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In-Reply-To: ; from ravage@ssz.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 12:10:40AM -0500 References: <20010612004951.D4347@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <20010612015813.A11736@cluebot.com> ORBS/MAPS/etc. "participate" by connecting to and reviewing sites, much like I go out to and watch movies to review. As usual, Choate fails to grasp the point. I am not saying anyone has a duty to "help them." In fact, as I said in an earlier post, I'm not sure I even agree with what they're doing. But I do believe they have a right to publish their reviews of mail relays, just as I have the right to publish movie reviews -- even if you disagree with what I say in them. To tell them not to speak their mind about you is censorship no less than if you attempt to force me not to speak my mind about that rather awful Operation: Swordfish movie. -Declan On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 12:10:40AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > The only black hole in this conversation are the Choatian posts. > > > > ORBS/RBL/etc. in principle are making statements about what they > > believe about other people. This is similar to movie or book reviewing. > > People may read my review and stay away from a movie/book, just as they > > read an ORBS/RBL/MAPS "review" and stay away from certain addresses. > > Malarky, they actively(!) participate. > > What ORBS and their ilk do is collect scans of IP's across the Internet, > some do it directly, some do it through independent 3rd parties, and > direct complaints. The only way ORBS will remove you from the database is > if you allow(!) them to re-scan your MTA and verify to their satisfaction > you are not in any way running an Open Relay. They then make this database > (usually for some sort of fee) available to other groups who then actively > filter submissions to their sites. In other words if I have a friend who I > want to exchange private mail with, ORBS's uses their trumped excuse for > justification to inject their belief system into that. Truly heinous. > > Since when did I have any sort of obligation to help them in their > particular crusade? My duties as a citizen and human being are not to > interfere. I'm not saying 'Stop', I'm only saying 'Let me off'. > > There is no technical or legal standard to back their actions. There is no > 'authority' for them to decide who may configure their software how (and > the fact that they tell a private citizen is particularly irksome, more > angels among men I guess). > > Just another fascist bastard. > > Freedom for me, but not for thee... > > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" > > Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From DARK_SNIPA at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Jun 11 21:23:22 2001 From: DARK_SNIPA at NTLWORLD.COM (CEREBRAL ASSASSIN) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 04:23:22 GMT Subject: EXCELLENT NEW WEB BOARD!! CHECK IT OUT :) Message-ID: From nobody at remailer.privacy.at Mon Jun 11 21:31:00 2001 From: nobody at remailer.privacy.at (Anonymous) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 06:31:00 +0200 Subject: SSNs Message-ID: <438fe5b29a25a4f22d9dcd49f4a1022e@remailer.privacy.at> I wrote: > I am an American citizen. > > In 30 years I have never given a valid social security number to > anyone. > > I can't. > > I don't have one. > > I hold a regular high-paying job. I get a paycheck. My employer > uses ADP. I have a driver's license. I have a bank account. > I have good health insurance. I pay my taxes. > > Not once have I had a real problem. Any minor problems that have > come up over the years, and there have been very few, always go away > when ignored dilligently. > > Just give those facists a fake number. > > Good luck. > > Signed, > > 322-33-0007 >In response Harmon Seaver said: >So for 30 you've been paying in to SS, but you'll never collect, nor >could you collect unemployment if laid off --- you like making large >donations to the government? I guess I have a hard time seeing what >the point is. And yes, I understand all the arguments over the years >about "national ID" and all that, and I can understand if someone >works for himself and *doesn't" pay in to the SS system, but .... I reply: Unlike you, I am not under the delusion that I will ever see any of my SS contributions back. I'm not interested in government unemployment benefits. I was unemployed for a few months back when. It never even occurred to me to seek unemployment benefits. Even if it had I wouldn't have bothered. "Large donations to the government." I have a hard time understanding that. Social Security is a TAX. Period. If you believe otherwise it's because some good salesmen (spin doctors) have told you so. It's not voluntary- therefore not a "donation" and I'd barely make 2% on it if I bothered to make a claim in 20-40 years. Who cares? I prefer to file for 17 dependent exemptions, put the extra money from my biweekly paycheck in a fund and then pay the principal back in April and keep the interest for myself- that's a little naughtier though. I get far more out of that then I ever will from Social Security. It's a TAX. Period. I'm not looking to commit tax fraud. I'll pay it like my other taxes. Still, I'm not going to let someone destroy my privacy because I am under the delusion that I somehow will see my SS contributions some undefined day more than two or three decades hence. 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If you would like to unsubscribe, please follow the link below - and we will ensure that you never receive another email from us again. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To remove yourself from this mailing list, please go to: http://www.auctioneagle.com/cgi-bin/remove.cgi?cypherpunks at toad.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jun 12 05:07:16 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:07:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > Yes, if you participate in an open forum like the Internet, you can expect > people to form an opinion about you. Or about your contribution to the > infrastructure, as the case may be. Do you expect movie critics to stop > going to new movies unless invited? Movie critics don't go around blocking me and my friends from seeing other movies besides the ones they want. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jun 12 05:08:41 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:08:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: The 'theory' behind ORBS and it's ilk... Message-ID: It's easier, because of the law, to go after the middle man who have nothing to do with the actions of spammers other than being there rather than the actual spammers themselves. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From measl at mfn.org Tue Jun 12 05:10:34 2001 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:10:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <20010612015813.A11736@cluebot.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > ORBS/MAPS/etc. "participate" by connecting to and reviewing sites, > much like I go out to and watch movies to review. Not always. If you refused to have your site "reviewed", then they would literally make one up. > As usual, Choate fails to grasp the point. I am not saying anyone > has a duty to "help them." Yes, you are stating that implicitly. > In fact, as I said in an earlier post, I'm not sure I even agree with > what they're doing. But I do believe they have a right to publish > their reviews of mail relays, just as I have the right to publish > movie reviews -- even if you disagree with what I say in them. I agree with this ONLY as far as they have actually had an encounter to review. To "review" my site as a series of open relays, as retailiation for my refusing to let this asshole connect to my site, is bullshit. And it remains bullshit whether or not you try to muddy the waters with completely off topic references to Choate. > To tell them not to speak their mind about you is censorship no less > than if you attempt to force me not to speak my mind about that > rather awful Operation: Swordfish movie. And to allow them to MAKE UP what they say is pure libel. Good riddance to bad trash. Now that ORBS is dead, when are you going to follow their fine example Declan? > -Declan > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 12:10:40AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > > > The only black hole in this conversation are the Choatian posts. > > > > > > ORBS/RBL/etc. in principle are making statements about what they > > > believe about other people. This is similar to movie or book reviewing. > > > People may read my review and stay away from a movie/book, just as they > > > read an ORBS/RBL/MAPS "review" and stay away from certain addresses. > > > > Malarky, they actively(!) participate. > > > > What ORBS and their ilk do is collect scans of IP's across the Internet, > > some do it directly, some do it through independent 3rd parties, and > > direct complaints. The only way ORBS will remove you from the database is > > if you allow(!) them to re-scan your MTA and verify to their satisfaction > > you are not in any way running an Open Relay. They then make this database > > (usually for some sort of fee) available to other groups who then actively > > filter submissions to their sites. In other words if I have a friend who I > > want to exchange private mail with, ORBS's uses their trumped excuse for > > justification to inject their belief system into that. Truly heinous. > > > > Since when did I have any sort of obligation to help them in their > > particular crusade? My duties as a citizen and human being are not to > > interfere. I'm not saying 'Stop', I'm only saying 'Let me off'. > > > > There is no technical or legal standard to back their actions. There is no > > 'authority' for them to decide who may configure their software how (and > > the fact that they tell a private citizen is particularly irksome, more > > angels among men I guess). > > > > Just another fascist bastard. > > > > Freedom for me, but not for thee... > > > > > > -- > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" > > > > Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams > > > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com > > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jun 12 05:22:39 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:22:39 -0500 Subject: Magnetic RAM To Preserve Data After Computer Shutdown Message-ID: <3B26098F.EF247642@ssz.com> http://unisci.com/stories/20012/0612015.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From honig at sprynet.com Tue Jun 12 08:01:49 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:01:49 -0700 Subject: "This Is Your Brain On Cow" In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010610171229.02edaec0@flex.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010610185938.00808720@pop.sprynet.com> <20010610140941.A212@ils.unc.edu> <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010612080149.0081c960@pop.sprynet.com> At 05:14 PM 6/10/01 -1000, Reese wrote: >At 03:59 PM 6/10/01, David Honig wrote: > >At 02:09 PM 6/10/01 -0400, Greg Newby wrote: > >>This is because there are strict US FDA regulations concerning the use > >>of infected beef in restaraunts, but they have little to say about > >>what individuals in private homes eat. > >> > > > >Indeed there's been a few cases of something like BSE in Americans > >who've eaten elk and / or deer. But since the infected aren't fed > >back into the population, there's no way for it to spread. (E.g., > >if it arises spontaneously now and then.) > >I'm on the Pro-Med list and if there were any positive link between >eating BSE-infected deer or elk, they'd be talking about it there. >They aren't. Currently, there is only a recommendation that hunters >not eat brains or spinal cords. > >What is it you know or think you know, that they do not? > I know how to read, and I read _Science_. A sidebar called "American's own prion disease" describing Chronic Wasting Disease belonging to the transmissable spongiform encephalopathies (like Creutzfeld-Jakob and BSE). Vol 292 1 June 01 p 1641 Part of a larger article, "Is the US doing enough to prevent mad cow disease" p 1639-1641 From honig at sprynet.com Tue Jun 12 08:04:00 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:04:00 -0700 Subject: snow crash really exists Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010612080400.0081aec0@pop.sprynet.com> In _Science_ Vol 292 1 June 01 p 1637 there's a brief reference to "musicogenic epilepsy", "a rare conditionin which seizures are triggered by music" And a note that Che Guevara had congenital amusica, ie, he couldn't understand music. From honig at sprynet.com Tue Jun 12 08:06:41 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:06:41 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010612080641.0081c2c0@pop.sprynet.com> At 08:19 PM 6/10/01 -0700, petro wrote: > Heart/lung shots and brain shots tend to be your best bet >with a pistol. The brain moves too much. The farther you are from the CG the more the parts move. From honig at sprynet.com Tue Jun 12 08:10:46 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:10:46 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010612081046.00820760@pop.sprynet.com> At 10:32 PM 6/10/01 -0700, petro wrote: >>it's not that difficult to get a CCW in California if you are willing to go >>to the effort required. Give me a call if you want more info. > It varies *greatly* with the attitude of the Chief. In my Calif county the CCWs have tripled in the last few years since a Sheriff who trusts citizens was elected. You may not need to be a lawyer, carry lots of cash, or have been threatened, if he's reasonable. (If he were unreasonable those 'elite' reasons may not have sufficed.) From gbroiles at well.com Tue Jun 12 08:27:06 2001 From: gbroiles at well.com (Greg Broiles) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:27:06 -0700 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010612082112.02ef8b90@mail.wwc.com> At 07:07 AM 6/12/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > > > Yes, if you participate in an open forum like the Internet, you can expect > > people to form an opinion about you. Or about your contribution to the > > infrastructure, as the case may be. Do you expect movie critics to stop > > going to new movies unless invited? > >Movie critics don't go around blocking me and my friends from seeing other >movies besides the ones they want. Movie theaters prevent me from watching movies I want to see by censoriously not showing them, frequently as a result of critics' or reviewers' comments about those movies and their quality or subject or genre. Those bastards! And the video store near my house doesn't have all of the DVDs I want to buy, either. Don't they know about the First Amendment? And some of the ones that I want are too expensive. Help! I'm being censored! Will you buy them for me, Jim? I am beginning to suspect that perhaps the newspaper is deliberately not printing all of the news . . . -- Greg Broiles gbroiles at well.com "Organized crime is the price we pay for organization." -- Raymond Chandler From honig at sprynet.com Tue Jun 12 08:35:12 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:35:12 -0700 Subject: Clarification of physics of recoilless rifle In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <91A43FE1FA9BD411A8D200D0B785C15E06775B@MISSERVER> <3.0.6.32.20010610193321.0080ddd0@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010612083512.00819e20@pop.sprynet.com> At 12:46 AM 6/11/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: > >At 7:33 PM -0700 6/10/01, David Honig wrote: >>In _The Irish War_ there's a description of IRA improvised recoilless >>'rifles' which, like their .mil-industrial analogues, toss an equal >>mass out the back end. The reacting countermass is a bunch of flakes >>which dissipate the KE against the atmosphere. >Speaking of physics, your physics is out of whack. > >For the recoilless rifle described above, there is no need to >"dissipate the KE" of the flakes or anything else! My physics is fine. I assume the reader can tell that I'm explaining the reason for using *individually lightweight flakes* separately from the trivial symmetric-reaction-mass part of the rifle. After all, a reader would be asking themselves, why not just use a slug of the same mass, or even some ball bearings (shot), since he indicates (by saying "equal mass") that this would work? And I explain the safe dissipation of the flakes' *energy*, not momentum (which as you point out is what matters for the recoilless-ness) because the flakes dissipate their motion as *heat* via viscous drag through the atmosphere. >How this Irish makeshift recoilless rifle actually works is unknown >to me, but the dissipation of KE by the chaff is not germane. Picture yourself using one in cramped quarters. The chaff 'flying off to China' is a practical concern. Or read the book. Plus, you can learn how to turn common household objects into mortars. dh From gbroiles at well.com Tue Jun 12 08:40:20 2001 From: gbroiles at well.com (Greg Broiles) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:40:20 -0700 Subject: SCOTUS rulz! In-Reply-To: <200106121251.IAA01733@www8.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010612083218.02f6dd20@mail.wwc.com> At 08:51 AM 6/12/2001 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: >Real-To: George at Orwellian.Org > >Isn't Jim Choate Prime against this ruling, on the >basis that it discriminates against certain >radiating frequencies? > >He has posted to that affect before. No, no, this is a copyright problem in Choate Prime - when people walk in front of heat sources, they make shadow animals on the walls (and on the thermal imagers), and that violates their copyright, unless the cops got prior permission to look at and record the shadow animals. (Well, really only if the people make a big (C) shadow animal first.) Also, this is a First Amendment problem, because the cops have a right to free speech in court when they describe the shadow animals they saw with their thermal imagers. Since it's possible to get statutory damages for copyright infringement, in Choate Prime the cops are entitled to court-appointed attorneys to protect their free speech rights. Unless they're mimes. -- Greg Broiles gbroiles at well.com "Organized crime is the price we pay for organization." -- Raymond Chandler From georgemw at speakeasy.net Tue Jun 12 08:46:13 2001 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:46:13 -0700 Subject: Trustworthy Virus Message-ID: <3B25D6D5.13064.45D36F5@localhost> The concept of a "trustworthy virus" sounds like a joke, but let's pretend to take ot seriously just a little while. When the virus narcs on the suspect, it really ought to digitally sign the squealing, otherwise the accusation could have been made by any virus out there, not necessarily the reliable rat. But is it possible in principle to keep its key secret? I would think that, since the code has to exist on the target machine, anyone with a disassembler and enough persistance can find the key, and once it's out, it's out. The formerly trusetd virus could be impersonated by any comon virus, or even by someone that isn't really a virus at all! Yeah, I know, the whole thing is silly. But is the reasoning correct? George From George at Orwellian.Org Tue Jun 12 05:51:55 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SCOTUS rulz! Message-ID: <200106121251.IAA01733@www8.aa.psiweb.com> Isn't Jim Choate Prime against this ruling, on the basis that it discriminates against certain radiating frequencies? He has posted to that affect before. 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Message-ID: http://www.byte.com/column/BYT20010606S0001 James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From jya at pipeline.com Tue Jun 12 08:58:36 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:58:36 -0700 Subject: Thermal Imaging Decision Applicable to TEMPEST? Message-ID: <200106121259.IAA00840@blount.mail.mindspring.net> The Supreme Court's decision against thermal imaging appears to be applicable to TEMPEST emissions from electronic devices. And is it not a first against this most threatening vulnerability in the digital age? And long overdue. Remote acquisition of electronic emissions, say from outside a home, are not currently prohibited by law as far as I know. And the language of the thermal imaging decision makes it applicable to any technology not commonly in use. Conventional wisdom of security wizards are that the emissions are very difficult to acquire from more than a hundred yards or so, but James Bamford claims in his recent "Body of Secrets" that NSA was able to acquire leaky emissions from Russian crypto equipment 6 miles offshore Cuba in the 1960s. Advances in technology would presumbably increase that capability. From aimee.farr at pobox.com Tue Jun 12 07:07:18 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:07:18 -0500 Subject: (on Young's "private language") In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20010611232257.01b3b4b0@idiom.com> Message-ID: Bill Stewart was the dog that bit me: > >Anybody care to cast a lot for their picks of Net/new media > written in the > >spirit of gentil intellection? > > John's writing may lead to some speculation about whether he > did a little too much James Joyce in the 60s, > but it's worth reading a much higher fraction of the time than > most Internet writers, and when he's making stuff up > it's almost always creative and interesting. > > On the other hand, it's less clear whether *you're* > asking about people who write in a gently intellectual spirit > or whether you're talking about goyish intellectuals here... Touche. I do not aspire beyond my station, Bill. I meant media (whatever form) that is: thought-provoking, rather than *just* factual, written for a reasonably broad audience.... First Monday usually makes me ponder on something. ~Aimee From declan at well.com Tue Jun 12 06:17:08 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:17:08 -0400 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: ; from measl@mfn.org on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:10:34AM -0500 References: <20010612015813.A11736@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <20010612091708.B2234@cluebot.com> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:10:34AM -0500, measl at mfn.org wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > ORBS/MAPS/etc. "participate" by connecting to and reviewing sites, > > much like I go out to and watch movies to review. > > Not always. If you refused to have your site "reviewed", then they would > literally make one up. Huh? If theyr'e checking to see if you're running an open relay or harboring spammers, both can be verified ("reviewed") without too much effort. > > As usual, Choate fails to grasp the point. I am not saying anyone > > has a duty to "help them." > > Yes, you are stating that implicitly. No, I'm explicitly stating that you don't. > And to allow them to MAKE UP what they say is pure libel. Libel laws are tricky things -- as a tool of the rich, they are often used to stifle speech. But if they're libeling you, try to sue them. But it seems to me this isn't the main complaint being circulated against them around here. > Good riddance to bad trash. Now that ORBS is dead, when are you going to > follow their fine example Declan? Amusing. Last time I got a veiled death threat was when I wrote about UFOs. -Declan From marshall at idio.com Tue Jun 12 09:20:08 2001 From: marshall at idio.com (Marshall Clow) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:20:08 -0700 Subject: Ian Grigg's Crypto Fiction Choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > From: petro[SMTP:petro at bounty.org] > > > > >From: Matthew Gaylor > > >Subject: Ian Grigg's Crypto Fiction Choices > > >Cc: iang at systemics.com > > > > > >http://www.iang.org/crypto_fiction/ > > > > >A Fire Upon The Deep >> >> You missed "A Deepness in the Sky", written by Vinge, and >> published in 1999. Crypto plays an important part of the story, and, >> well, it's Vinge, it's worth a read. >> >... as does privacy, surveillance tech and it's avoidance, etc. Excellent >book. > >But.... > >Did you catch the hint that they're running an Unix-descended OS? ...it's >pretty well hidden. The only hint I saw was that the time system was based on number of seconds from a base time that was almost, but not quite, the same as the first lunar landing. 1/1/1970, anyone? Excellent book. -- -- Marshall Marshall Clow Idio Software Hey! Who messed with my anti-paranoia shot? From declan at well.com Tue Jun 12 06:20:13 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:20:13 -0400 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: ; from ravage@ssz.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:07:16AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010612092013.C2234@cluebot.com> The analogy's not perfect, but analogies never are. If you don't like what "spam critics" are doing, move to a different ISP. -Declan On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:07:16AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > > > Yes, if you participate in an open forum like the Internet, you can expect > > people to form an opinion about you. Or about your contribution to the > > infrastructure, as the case may be. Do you expect movie critics to stop > > going to new movies unless invited? > > Movie critics don't go around blocking me and my friends from seeing other > movies besides the ones they want. > > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" > > Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From declan at well.com Tue Jun 12 06:21:16 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:21:16 -0400 Subject: Thermal Imaging Decision Applicable to TEMPEST? In-Reply-To: <200106121259.IAA00840@blount.mail.mindspring.net>; from jya@pipeline.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:58:36AM -0700 References: <200106121259.IAA00840@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <20010612092116.D2234@cluebot.com> I noodled over this in my article: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44444,00.html On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:58:36AM -0700, John Young wrote: > The Supreme Court's decision against thermal imaging appears > to be applicable to TEMPEST emissions from electronic devices. > And is it not a first against this most threatening vulnerability > in the digital age? And long overdue. > > Remote acquisition of electronic emissions, say from outside a > home, are not currently prohibited by law as far as I know. And > the language of the thermal imaging decision makes it applicable > to any technology not commonly in use. > > Conventional wisdom of security wizards are that the emissions > are very difficult to acquire from more than a hundred yards or > so, but James Bamford claims in his recent "Body of Secrets" that > NSA was able to acquire leaky emissions from Russian crypto > equipment 6 miles offshore Cuba in the 1960s. Advances in > technology would presumbably increase that capability. From bill.stewart at pobox.com Tue Jun 12 09:27:58 2001 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:27:58 -0700 Subject: Thermal Imaging Decision Applicable to TEMPEST? In-Reply-To: <20010612094320.A3361@cluebot.com> References: <20010612092116.D2234@cluebot.com> <200106121259.IAA00840@blount.mail.mindspring.net> <20010612092116.D2234@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010612091318.01b085f0@idiom.com> At 09:43 AM 06/12/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >BTW John your cryptome.org writeup says: "This decisions appears to be >applicable to TEMPEST technology, the first instance to make use of >this technology illegal." >I'm not sure that's accurate. > >First, this is a Fourth Amendment case, and the court only decided >what limits should be placed on police, not private citizens. TEMPEST really refers to two kinds of technology - keeping equipment quiet, and reading signals from not-quiet-enough equipment. The former category is the main thing that would apply to private citizens, and it's not addressed here. I suppose there's also the issue of whether police can use evidence eavesdropped by private citizens, but there are probably similar cases dealing with cameras. >Second, the ruling would allow TEMPEST monitoring by police if they >get a warrant. No reading of it would ban police TEMPEST surveillance >outright, and warrants are not that difficult to get. Agreed. The decision sounded like it there'd have been no issue if the police had obtained a warrant first - after all, they could have no-knocked on the door and come in, if they'd had any actual evidence. And they could have lurked outside the house watching for suspicious-looking visitors if they thought this was commercial. And unfortunately, just because the guy won in the Supremes doesn't mean he gets his dope back :-) From declan at well.com Tue Jun 12 06:43:21 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:43:21 -0400 Subject: Thermal Imaging Decision Applicable to TEMPEST? In-Reply-To: <20010612092116.D2234@cluebot.com>; from declan@well.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 09:21:16AM -0400 References: <200106121259.IAA00840@blount.mail.mindspring.net> <20010612092116.D2234@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <20010612094320.A3361@cluebot.com> BTW John your cryptome.org writeup says: "This decisions appears to be applicable to TEMPEST technology, the first instance to make use of this technology illegal." I'm not sure that's accurate. First, this is a Fourth Amendment case, and the court only decided what limits should be placed on police, not private citizens. Second, the ruling would allow TEMPEST monitoring by police if they get a warrant. No reading of it would ban police TEMPEST surveillance outright, and warrants are not that difficult to get. -Declan On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 09:21:16AM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: > I noodled over this in my article: > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44444,00.html > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:58:36AM -0700, John Young wrote: > > The Supreme Court's decision against thermal imaging appears > > to be applicable to TEMPEST emissions from electronic devices. > > And is it not a first against this most threatening vulnerability > > in the digital age? And long overdue. > > > > Remote acquisition of electronic emissions, say from outside a > > home, are not currently prohibited by law as far as I know. And > > the language of the thermal imaging decision makes it applicable > > to any technology not commonly in use. > > > > Conventional wisdom of security wizards are that the emissions > > are very difficult to acquire from more than a hundred yards or > > so, but James Bamford claims in his recent "Body of Secrets" that > > NSA was able to acquire leaky emissions from Russian crypto > > equipment 6 miles offshore Cuba in the 1960s. Advances in > > technology would presumbably increase that capability. From alqaeda at hq.org Tue Jun 12 09:52:08 2001 From: alqaeda at hq.org (Alfred Qaeda) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:52:08 -0700 Subject: cell base stations find stealth planes Message-ID: <3B2648B7.6D85F38A@hq.org> Mobile phones may foil stealth bombers By Robert Uhlig in London America's multi-billion-dollar stealth bombers could be rendered obsolete by a British invention that uses existing mobile telephone masts to detect and track aircraft that were previously invisible to radar. US stealth fighters and bombers such as the F117, B1 and B2 played key roles in the Gulf and Kosovan wars as they are almost impossible to detect using conventional radar. However, the ease with which the mobile telephone mast system - developed at a laboratory in Hampshire - can be used to detect the aircraft has greatly concerned the military. Mr Peter Lloyd, the head of projects at Roke Manor Research, said: "I cannot comment in detail because it is a classified matter, but let's say the US military is very interested." Stealth aircraft, each of which costs at least $A3.6 billion, are shaped to confuse radar. A special paint absorbs radio waves, reducing the radar signature to the equivalent of a gull in flight. The Roke Manor scientists discovered that telephone calls sent between mobile phone masts detected the precise position of stealth aircraft with ease. "We use just the normal phone calls that are flying about in the ether," Mr Lloyd said. "The front of the stealth plane cannot be detected by conventional radar, but its bottom surface reflects very well." Mobile telephone calls bouncing between base stations produce a screen of radiation. When the aircraft fly through this screen they disrupt the phase pattern of the signals. The Roke Manor system uses receivers, shaped like television aerials, to detect distortions in the signals. A network of aerials large enough to cover a battlefield can be packed in a Land Rover. Using a laptop connected to the receiver network, soldiers on the ground can calculate the position of stealth aircraft with an accuracy of 10 metres with the aid of the GPS satellite navigation system. "It's remarkable that a stealth system that cost £60 billion [$158 billion] to develop is beaten by £100,000 mobile phone technology," Mr Lloyd said. "It's almost impossible to disable a mobile phone network without bombing an entire country, whereas radar installations are often knocked out of action with a single bomb or missile." http://www.smh.com.au/news/0106/12/world/world2.html From Jon.Beets at pacer.com Tue Jun 12 07:53:17 2001 From: Jon.Beets at pacer.com (Jon Beets) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:53:17 -0500 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! References: Message-ID: <006b01c0f34f$6a605d00$03d36b3f@pacer.com> No but ORBS was not involuntary.. It did'nt make everyone on the internet use it.. It was completely up to the ISP to use it or not... If you the customer don't like it then voice your opinion with the ISP and see if they will remove it.. If not.. Change your ISP.. Freedom of Choice..... I am an ISP and I block approximately 10,000 attempted relays a day however I never used ORBS. Not that I did'nt like it, I just never used it... Jon Beets Pacer Communications ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Choate" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:07 AM Subject: Re: ORBS sucked into a black hole! > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > > > Yes, if you participate in an open forum like the Internet, you can expect > > people to form an opinion about you. Or about your contribution to the > > infrastructure, as the case may be. Do you expect movie critics to stop > > going to new movies unless invited? > > Movie critics don't go around blocking me and my friends from seeing other > movies besides the ones they want. > > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" > > Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From bill.stewart at pobox.com Tue Jun 12 10:00:17 2001 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:00:17 -0700 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010612093538.01b94a50@idiom.com> At 07:07 AM 06/12/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > > > Yes, if you participate in an open forum like the Internet, you can expect > > people to form an opinion about you. Or about your contribution to the > > infrastructure, as the case may be. Do you expect movie critics to stop > > going to new movies unless invited? > >Movie critics don't go around blocking me and my friends from seeing other >movies besides the ones they want. There are movie critics who'd *like* to block you from seeing some movies, and if you're under 17 they're somewhat successful at it (or under 13 at least.) And there are critics who make sure that some movie *scenes* don't get shown. And movie critics like Rudy Guiliani who block some kinds of movie theaters from at least some parts of their cities. And there are movie critics who have enough influence on the market that movies they pan don't stay on the market as long as they might otherwise, so you might miss a movie because of that. And that doesn't even count the movie critics who decide that some movies not commercial enough so they don't get made. From bill.stewart at pobox.com Tue Jun 12 10:19:51 2001 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:19:51 -0700 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <20010612091708.B2234@cluebot.com> References: <20010612015813.A11736@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010612100147.01b947e0@idiom.com> At 09:17 AM 06/12/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:10:34AM -0500, measl at mfn.org wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > > > ORBS/MAPS/etc. "participate" by connecting to and reviewing sites, > > > much like I go out to and watch movies to review. > > > > Not always. If you refused to have your site "reviewed", then they would > > literally make one up. > >Huh? If they're checking to see if you're running an open relay or >harboring spammers, both can be verified ("reviewed") without too much effort. ORBS's relay hunter software was often extremely aggressive, pounding heavily on systems trying to see if it could send test spam. Some ISPs and systems disliked that kind of rudeness and blocked them, and that was enough to get you blacklisted. At one point, MAPS was blocking ORBS, so MAPS users all blocked ORBS (Mommy, mommy, he's on MY side of the room! Make him stop!) so you didn't even have to be trying to block them to get blacklisted. Also, harboring spammers can be much harder to verify - some places let them operate out in the open, while some expected their spammers to be stealthier, and it's hard to tell a stealthy tolerated customer from a stealthy not-caught-yet policy-violating customer, especially from an ISP who's mostly in the colocation business so the spammer may be a customer of a customer or a customer of a customer of a customer. Plus colocation or hosting customers may leave open relays out of ignorance, or by mistake, or because they don't have a good technical alternative, and their ISPs may get crap from ORBS. And that doesn't even count ISPs who have strong and enforced anti-spamming policies but have occasional sales people who are clueless about spam and willing to write contracts allowing violations - my employer got embarassed by that a year or so and the VP had to yell at everybody to make sure it doesn't happen again :-) MAPS wasn't always the most flexibly-responding system, but at least you could negotiate with them. Also, spamming is active misbehaviour, while open relays aren't - they're just something that's too easily abused, and closing them reduces the tools available to spammers. It's too bad - it was much easier for me to send email from my laptop when I could use the same mail relay regardless of whether I was connected to the LAN at work or dialed into my ISP, because "att.com" would forward my mail either way. (Then when that got closed, "research.att.com" would...) Now I have to switch mail servers depending on where I am. From jdd at vbc.net Tue Jun 12 02:42:19 2001 From: jdd at vbc.net (Jim Dixon) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:42:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: Automatics In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20010612003316.01b79d40@idiom.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Bill Stewart wrote: > The military recoilless rifles are more or less bazookas - Hardly. A bazooka is a shoulder-held tube from which you fire a missile, the fuel in the missile burning as it goes through the air. When the missile is gone, you put another one in. A recoilless rifle fires a conventional artillery round. The motive force is supplied by fuel which burns in the barrel of the gun. When you have fired, you open the little door at the back, pull out the empty shell casing, and put in another one. > their objective is to fire a relatively large and usually explosive shell > to blow up tanks, trucks, and other big hard targets, > while still being conveniently portable. Depends on the war. I believe that in Vietnam it was common to mix beehive and HEAT 50:50. Beehive rounds contain zillions of little darts about half an inch long. HEAT is what you are talking about - High Explosive Anti Tank. > I'm also puzzled by the "flakes" comments - rapidly expanding gasses > are plenty of reaction mass, though perhaps there's some sort of > wadding to provide increased gas pressure that gets flaked in > the explosion. Yes. 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We believe that the meaningful insights of these carefully selected thoughts will make your life peaceful, successful & happy in a way you had never imagined before. If you would like your near and dear ones to receive these thoughts which can change their lives, please send their email addresses to amaha at vsnl.net We apologise if this email is received by you in error.If you desire to unsubscribe, reply to this email with 'remove' in the subject line. ----Director, Fountain of Joy From tcmay at got.net Tue Jun 12 10:44:18 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:44:18 -0700 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010612082112.02ef8b90@mail.wwc.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010612082112.02ef8b90@mail.wwc.com> Message-ID: At 8:27 AM -0700 6/12/01, Greg Broiles wrote: >At 07:07 AM 6/12/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >>On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >> >> > Yes, if you participate in an open forum like the Internet, you can expect >> > people to form an opinion about you. Or about your contribution to the >> > infrastructure, as the case may be. Do you expect movie critics to stop >> > going to new movies unless invited? >> >>Movie critics don't go around blocking me and my friends from seeing other >>movies besides the ones they want. > >Movie theaters prevent me from watching movies I want to see by >censoriously not showing them, frequently as a result of critics' or >reviewers' comments about those movies and their quality or subject >or genre. Those bastards! > >And the video store near my house doesn't have all of the DVDs I >want to buy, either. Don't they know about the First Amendment? And >some of the ones that I want are too expensive. Help! I'm being >censored! Will you buy them for me, Jim? > >I am beginning to suspect that perhaps the newspaper is deliberately >not printing all of the news . . . I'm even more concerned, even angry, about some local restaurants _restricting content_ and _limiting my choices_. (Their excuse is that they talk to other restaurant and dietary experts, a la the ORBS conspiracy, and learn which food items are popular and which are not. Like ORBS, this is a de facto conspiracy to impose food censorship on the citizen units! RICO, anyone?) Like Choate, I believe we must stop the practice of ISPs deciding how to deal with their property as they choose. And we must stop this censorious practice of allowing restaurants to restrict content! And newspapers must be forced to carry anything the Peoples want to have published. Long live the Socialist Internationale! --Tim May -- Timothy C. 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Did you catch the hint that they're running an Unix-descended OS? ...it's pretty well hidden. Peter Trei From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Tue Jun 12 08:27:04 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:27:04 -0400 Subject: Ian Grigg's Crypto Fiction Choices Message-ID: > From: petro[SMTP:petro at bounty.org] > > >From: Matthew Gaylor > >Subject: Ian Grigg's Crypto Fiction Choices > >Cc: iang at systemics.com > > > >http://www.iang.org/crypto_fiction/ > > >A Fire Upon The Deep > > You missed "A Deepness in the Sky", written by Vinge, and > published in 1999. Crypto plays an important part of the story, and, > well, it's Vinge, it's worth a read. > ... as does privacy, surveillance tech and it's avoidance, etc. Excellent book. But.... Did you catch the hint that they're running an Unix-descended OS? ...it's pretty well hidden. Peter Trei From tcmay at got.net Tue Jun 12 11:28:01 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:28:01 -0700 Subject: snow crash really exists In-Reply-To: <20010612134826.A22075@positron.mit.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20010612080400.0081aec0@pop.sprynet.com> <20010612134826.A22075@positron.mit.edu> Message-ID: At 1:48 PM -0400 6/12/01, Riad S. Wahby wrote: >David Honig wrote: >> In _Science_ Vol 292 1 June 01 p 1637 >> there's a brief reference to "musicogenic epilepsy", >> "a rare conditionin which seizures are triggered >> by music" > >My good friend and roommate of two years has just such a condition. >His epileptic seizures are triggered by, among other things, the >"Happy Birthday" song. > ROTFHASASMT! (Rolling on the floor having a seizure and swallowing my tongue!) --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay at got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Tue Jun 12 02:56:48 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:56:48 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Pap Smear In-Reply-To: <"Pine.SOL.4.30.0106121241200.25277-100000@kruuna.Helsinki.FI "> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > Except if the virus code is well known, and deemed trustworthy. Any code can clean up after itself, leaving a well-known "trustworthy" code behind. I'm a bit boggled at seeing "virus" and "trustworthy" in the same sentence. -- Eugen* Leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Tue Jun 12 02:56:48 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:56:48 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Pap Smear In-Reply-To: <"Pine.SOL.4.30.0106121241200.25277-100000@kruuna.Helsinki. FI "> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > Except if the virus code is well known, and deemed trustworthy. Any code can clean up after itself, leaving a well-known "trustworthy" code behind. I'm a bit boggled at seeing "virus" and "trustworthy" in the same sentence. -- Eugen* Leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From tcmay at got.net Tue Jun 12 12:25:40 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:25:40 -0700 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <992372329.3b2666699ed51@public.webmail.cotse.com> References: <992372329.3b2666699ed51@public.webmail.cotse.com> Message-ID: At 2:58 PM -0400 6/12/01, Faustine wrote: >Bill Stewart: > >>And that doesn't even count the movie critics who decide that >>some movies not commercial enough so they don't get made. > >That's because studios are private-sector businesses, not nonprofits dedicated >to the arts. Is a film a work of art or a commercial product? Can >you really be >both? On the other hand, how can you produce art if nobody pays for it? Then >again, can you really have a work of art shot through, riddled and co-opted >with BS product placement every five seconds? I tend to think not. > >Still, I can't buy the idea of "good movies have a right to be made." Either >somebody with money is willing to back it, or not. Censorship isn't really an >issue here, just the hard, cruel laws of economics. ha. > >You might want to check out some back issues of the "Journal of Cultural >Economics," lots of relevant articles there. Irony is lost on some people. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay at got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns From decoy at iki.fi Tue Jun 12 02:42:57 2001 From: decoy at iki.fi (Sampo Syreeni) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:42:57 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Pap Smear In-Reply-To: <3B24FB74.1772.10445CA@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 georgemw at speakeasy.net wrote: >Check out the house and, sure enough, the window has been broken into, and >right by the broken window is a pile of child porn. Wouldn't ANY sensible >person conclude that more likely than not it was planted there? Except if the virus code is well known, and deemed trustworthy. >By the way, has this JD lawyer ever READ the constitution? The 4th clearly >states and I quote "no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause >SUPPORTED BY OATH OR AFFIRMATION". (emphasis mine). Clearly computer >generated spam doesn't meet this criterion. Admissibility also comes to mind. But those kinds of legal standards are a US specialty. The rest of us will be in trouble with the false reports. Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy, mailto:decoy at iki.fi, gsm: +358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front From decoy at iki.fi Tue Jun 12 02:42:57 2001 From: decoy at iki.fi (Sampo Syreeni) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:42:57 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Pap Smear In-Reply-To: <3B24FB74.1772.10445CA@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 georgemw at speakeasy.net wrote: >Check out the house and, sure enough, the window has been broken into, and >right by the broken window is a pile of child porn. Wouldn't ANY sensible >person conclude that more likely than not it was planted there? Except if the virus code is well known, and deemed trustworthy. >By the way, has this JD lawyer ever READ the constitution? 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Wahby) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:48:26 -0400 Subject: snow crash really exists In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010612080400.0081aec0@pop.sprynet.com>; from honig@sprynet.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:04:00AM -0700 References: <3.0.6.32.20010612080400.0081aec0@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <20010612134826.A22075@positron.mit.edu> David Honig wrote: > In _Science_ Vol 292 1 June 01 p 1637 > there's a brief reference to "musicogenic epilepsy", > "a rare conditionin which seizures are triggered > by music" My good friend and roommate of two years has just such a condition. His epileptic seizures are triggered by, among other things, the "Happy Birthday" song. -- Riad Wahby rsw at mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105 From jya at pipeline.com Tue Jun 12 14:14:04 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:14:04 -0700 Subject: Thermal Imaging Decision Applicable to TEMPEST? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20010612091318.01b085f0@idiom.com> References: <20010612094320.A3361@cluebot.com> <20010612092116.D2234@cluebot.com> <200106121259.IAA00840@blount.mail.mindspring.net> <20010612092116.D2234@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <200106121814.OAA16222@mclean.mail.mindspring.net> Bill Stewart wrote: >TEMPEST really refers to two kinds of technology - >keeping equipment quiet, and reading signals from not-quiet-enough >equipment. The former category is the main thing that would >apply to private citizens, and it's not addressed here. Yes, and the confusion between the two sometimes leads to gaps in understanding as well as security. And I don't know the name of the technology that acquires signals by "illumination" of objects bouncing emissions -- some say it is all TEMPEST, others say don't be fooled by that misnomer -- ther really good stuff is several generations beyond what is know as TEMPEST. Maybe that is what NONSTOP and HIJACK and other codewords refer to. We have tried and failed to get NSA to open up more on its standards for both types and blacker stuff. TEMPEST suppliers -- products and services -- have said that it's tough getting NSA to clarify what can be exported and what cannot by any means except by submitting products for review, waiting and getting back a yes or no, but not by getting precise requirements beforehand. Maybe that will change to follow the lead of crypto as demand for TEMPEST picks up. Meanwhile it is probable that NSA is testing TEMPEST products for blacker weaknesses, again like crypto, or rather the systems and programs for crypto use. We've been told by suppliers that the export market for TEMPEST (both types) produce would blossom without restrictions on commercial/private use. Govs get approvals for the best stuff (unspecified mil grade) but not biz and citz. Don't know about banks and telecomms and drug-kingpins, maybe they get special treatment for allowing access to data and dope. Outrageous, sure, but it is reported to happen. Still, as far as this amateur knows, there is no restriction on any type of TEMPEST inside the US, so the standard of protection is victim beware. And don't believe for a second anything you see in public about how far away emissions can be acquired or how to protect against TEMPEST with market-available products. Experts in the employ of the gov whisper you won't see the truth about TEMPEST in public any time soon though there will be a whole lot of smoke. The increasing smoke I can vouch for. Even TSCM's and electronic PI's admit all the public stuff about TEMPEST standards is prefabricated sunshine. Though that might be a DIRT ploy to sell really, really, really totally reliable, better than mil-grade, protection. Did you hear how Joel McNamara was thought to have been killed fighting a forest fire? Remember the A-10 seeming to fly aimlessly over the Rockies? The suppressed AF report on its avionics going haywire? Think NONSTOP, HIJACK. From palerider at redneck.gacracker.org Tue Jun 12 07:33:18 2001 From: palerider at redneck.gacracker.org (Nat Love) Date: 12 Jun 2001 14:33:18 -0000 Subject: pap Smear Message-ID: <20010612143318.22166.qmail@gacracker.org> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 georgemw at speakeasy.net wrote: > > >Check out the house and, sure enough, the window has been broken into, and > >right by the broken window is a pile of child porn. Wouldn't ANY sensible > >person conclude that more likely than not it was planted there? > > Except if the virus code is well known, and deemed trustworthy. And whats to stop an untrustworthy virus from making the same claims, placing the 'trustworthy' virus on the system and deleting itself? How are you going to define a 'trustworthy' virus with this scenario in mind? There is no such thing as 'trustworthy' automated software. At best, you have software that does what its supposed to when used responsibly. I have yet to see responsible usage of a virus.. and doubt I ever will. #include #include #include Nat From decoy at iki.fi Tue Jun 12 04:52:54 2001 From: decoy at iki.fi (Sampo Syreeni) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:52:54 +0300 (EEST) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jim Choate wrote: >What ORBS and their ilk do is collect scans of IP's across the Internet, >some do it directly, some do it through independent 3rd parties, and >direct complaints. Yes, if you participate in an open forum like the Internet, you can expect people to form an opinion about you. Or about your contribution to the infrastructure, as the case may be. Do you expect movie critics to stop going to new movies unless invited? >The only way ORBS will remove you from the database is if you allow(!) >them to re-scan your MTA and verify to their satisfaction you are not in >any way running an Open Relay. Yep, building trust is hard work. Do you expect movie critics to retract their comments unless they see that the movie (or the theater) has actually changed for the better? >They then make this database (usually for some sort of fee) available to >other groups who then actively filter submissions to their sites. This would indeed be the definition of criticism. Do you expect movie critics to only write positive reviews, or to write for free, or the theaters to disregard comments made by critics they trust and possibly waste their money showing a crappy movie? >In other words if I have a friend who I want to exchange private mail >with, ORBS's uses their trumped excuse for justification to inject their >belief system into that. Who's injecting what? If you and your friend are your own ISP's, ORBS never interferes with your business. If you're not, you're trying to impose your beliefs over how SMTP should be done on the relay operator. The ISP chose to use ORBS, not the other way around. It seems ORBS is deemed useful and trustworthy, a commendable achievement for a critic. Now the question is, why doesn't the ISP trust you over ORBS? Perhaps you haven't earned the trust? >Truly heinous. Au contraire - finally something that works, and quite without any legislative intervention. Are you saying critics are a heinous invention? I always thought they were a real blessing for cultural progress. So did someone else, apparently, judging by the fact that critics are paid for their effort. >Since when did I have any sort of obligation to help them in their >particular crusade? You don't. It's just that you're placing yourself in a minority without any good reason. Configuring your relay as you want *is* your right, but exercising it means you have to be ready to deal with the consequences. Do you expect movie theaters and distributors to intentionally help spread garbage? To deal with studios that produce it? >There is no technical or legal standard to back their actions. There is no >'authority' for them to decide who may configure their software how (and >the fact that they tell a private citizen is particularly irksome, more >angels among men I guess). But they do have every right to be dissatisfied with you, and broadcast their views to anyone who is willing to listen. If people decide, based on ORBS data, that your behavior is not ok and that ORBS is likely to correctly represent your actions, they have absolutely no obligation to deal with you. It's true that your clients will suffer, but you are the one that brought it on them, placing them in a minority without asking them. It's all parts of a whole, really. Are you saying movie critics have to follow your standards when they appraise a work? Do you expect the critic to praise the movie as a whole when the soundtrack totally sucks? (While I once argued that shunning isn't always ok and should sometimes be viewed as comparable to initiation of force, that argument *certainly* does not extend to today's version of cyberspace. Neither life nor liberty is at stake when someone refuses to relay some email.) >Just another fascist bastard. > >Freedom for me, but not for thee... So you're saying you should have the freedom to operate a relay that could well be used to transmit spam, yet other people have no right to protect themselves? What you're seeing with ORBS is a nice idea by an enterprising individual, and lots of enlightened self-interest on behalf of a bunch of ISPs. Clear signs of successful market self-organization. You on the other hand are trying to stamp that out so that your views may prevail, making you the fascist by a wide margin. Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy, mailto:decoy at iki.fi, gsm: +358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front From decoy at iki.fi Tue Jun 12 04:52:54 2001 From: decoy at iki.fi (Sampo Syreeni) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:52:54 +0300 (EEST) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jim Choate wrote: >What ORBS and their ilk do is collect scans of IP's across the Internet, >some do it directly, some do it through independent 3rd parties, and >direct complaints. Yes, if you participate in an open forum like the Internet, you can expect people to form an opinion about you. Or about your contribution to the infrastructure, as the case may be. Do you expect movie critics to stop going to new movies unless invited? >The only way ORBS will remove you from the database is if you allow(!) >them to re-scan your MTA and verify to their satisfaction you are not in >any way running an Open Relay. Yep, building trust is hard work. Do you expect movie critics to retract their comments unless they see that the movie (or the theater) has actually changed for the better? >They then make this database (usually for some sort of fee) available to >other groups who then actively filter submissions to their sites. This would indeed be the definition of criticism. Do you expect movie critics to only write positive reviews, or to write for free, or the theaters to disregard comments made by critics they trust and possibly waste their money showing a crappy movie? >In other words if I have a friend who I want to exchange private mail >with, ORBS's uses their trumped excuse for justification to inject their >belief system into that. Who's injecting what? If you and your friend are your own ISP's, ORBS never interferes with your business. If you're not, you're trying to impose your beliefs over how SMTP should be done on the relay operator. The ISP chose to use ORBS, not the other way around. It seems ORBS is deemed useful and trustworthy, a commendable achievement for a critic. Now the question is, why doesn't the ISP trust you over ORBS? Perhaps you haven't earned the trust? >Truly heinous. Au contraire - finally something that works, and quite without any legislative intervention. Are you saying critics are a heinous invention? I always thought they were a real blessing for cultural progress. So did someone else, apparently, judging by the fact that critics are paid for their effort. >Since when did I have any sort of obligation to help them in their >particular crusade? You don't. It's just that you're placing yourself in a minority without any good reason. Configuring your relay as you want *is* your right, but exercising it means you have to be ready to deal with the consequences. Do you expect movie theaters and distributors to intentionally help spread garbage? To deal with studios that produce it? >There is no technical or legal standard to back their actions. There is no >'authority' for them to decide who may configure their software how (and >the fact that they tell a private citizen is particularly irksome, more >angels among men I guess). But they do have every right to be dissatisfied with you, and broadcast their views to anyone who is willing to listen. If people decide, based on ORBS data, that your behavior is not ok and that ORBS is likely to correctly represent your actions, they have absolutely no obligation to deal with you. It's true that your clients will suffer, but you are the one that brought it on them, placing them in a minority without asking them. It's all parts of a whole, really. Are you saying movie critics have to follow your standards when they appraise a work? Do you expect the critic to praise the movie as a whole when the soundtrack totally sucks? (While I once argued that shunning isn't always ok and should sometimes be viewed as comparable to initiation of force, that argument *certainly* does not extend to today's version of cyberspace. Neither life nor liberty is at stake when someone refuses to relay some email.) >Just another fascist bastard. > >Freedom for me, but not for thee... So you're saying you should have the freedom to operate a relay that could well be used to transmit spam, yet other people have no right to protect themselves? What you're seeing with ORBS is a nice idea by an enterprising individual, and lots of enlightened self-interest on behalf of a bunch of ISPs. Clear signs of successful market self-organization. You on the other hand are trying to stamp that out so that your views may prevail, making you the fascist by a wide margin. Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy, mailto:decoy at iki.fi, gsm: +358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front From a3495 at cotse.com Tue Jun 12 11:58:49 2001 From: a3495 at cotse.com (Faustine) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! Message-ID: <992372329.3b2666699ed51@public.webmail.cotse.com> Bill Stewart: >And that doesn't even count the movie critics who decide that >some movies not commercial enough so they don't get made. That's because studios are private-sector businesses, not nonprofits dedicated to the arts. Is a film a work of art or a commercial product? Can you really be both? On the other hand, how can you produce art if nobody pays for it? Then again, can you really have a work of art shot through, riddled and co-opted with BS product placement every five seconds? I tend to think not. Still, I can't buy the idea of "good movies have a right to be made." Either somebody with money is willing to back it, or not. Censorship isn't really an issue here, just the hard, cruel laws of economics. ha. You might want to check out some back issues of the "Journal of Cultural Economics," lots of relevant articles there. ~Faustine. *** On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. --Charles Babbage. From Rwssp555 at aol.com Tue Jun 12 12:22:46 2001 From: Rwssp555 at aol.com (Rwssp555 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:22:46 EDT Subject: test card Message-ID: how much is it. From palerider at redneck.gacracker.org Tue Jun 12 08:24:23 2001 From: palerider at redneck.gacracker.org (Nat Love) Date: 12 Jun 2001 15:24:23 -0000 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! Message-ID: <20010612152423.23176.qmail@gacracker.org> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > The analogy's not perfect, but analogies never are. If you don't > like what "spam critics" are doing, move to a different ISP. Again, you totally fail to get the point. ORBS hampered communications between many ISPs. Simply moving to another one may or may not help. And if you happen to be running an ISP that came into conflict with ORBS, that moving thing is not an option. Nat From George at Orwellian.Org Tue Jun 12 12:32:34 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Identity theft: Why Secret Service involvement? Message-ID: <200106121932.PAA06728@www1.aa.psiweb.com> > From: Alfred Qaeda Must be the same unimaginative prison.net person. ---- http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001-06-12-stock-account-hacker-sentenced.htm # # 06/12/2001 - Updated 08:42 AM ET # # Stock trading account hacker gets three years # # RIVERSIDE, Calif. (AP) - A man who illegally accessed other # people's online stock trading accounts has been sentenced to # more than three years in federal prison. # # The Secret Service estimated that Babatunde Osiname, 36, and # a 29-year-old Texas woman stole the identities of more than 100 # U.S.-based employees of Swedish telecommunications giant # Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson and other companies. They were # accused of draining about $1.9 million from stock and credit # card accounts. # # A U.S. District judge on Monday sentenced Osiname to 37 months # in prison and ordered him to pay more than $1.1 million in # restitution. # # Osiname pleaded guilty to two counts of mail fraud and wire fraud. # He admitted accessing accounts managed by ETrade Group using # Social Security numbers and home addresses provided by Jeanette # L. Franklin, of Richardson, Texas, who once worked in an Ericsson # payroll office. # # Franklin has been found guilty of 16 counts of mail and wire # fraud. She faces a maximum of 80 years in prison when she is # sentenced July 9. From bear at sonic.net Tue Jun 12 16:01:58 2001 From: bear at sonic.net (Ray Dillinger) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ORBS Message-ID: You know what? If Alice puts up a list of all the sites she's blocking mail from, there is no problem with that. She is not coercing anyone. She can block any site for any reason she wants -- maybe she has intestinal gas, or maybe she just doesn't like somebody. Tough toenails. If Bob reads this list and copies it, there is no problem with that either -- Bob's not coercing anyone. Bob winds up blocking the people Alice blocked, even if she blocked them for no good reason. But Bob is evidently okay with that, or at least unable to find a better source of information. If Alice were in a competitive business, and people paid for better or more well-founded recommendations about blocking lists, she'd probably be driven out of business. But whatever; nobody else got into the business, so there's no competition. Alice has a money-losing monopoly that provides marginal service. The only problem arises because Alice started using scans and listings as weapons. That's not wrong per se, as it's not stealing or coercion -- it's just rude. But scans themselves are perfectly acceptable and necessary as the only reliable means of providing this service. I think ORBS was exactly the kind of "reputation service" most folks here argue in favor of, and while some of us may have despised it, that's not sufficient reason to interfere with someone else's ability to publish whatever the hell they want to publish. Or, I'll even go further. It was an example of "private law", where the "law merchant" publishes a list of people who break the laws they sell and then lets the market punish or not as they choose. However flawed the list, and however obnoxious the merchant was about the testing to create it, isn't that exactly what many of you have been arguing for the right to do? Bear From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jun 12 14:10:32 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:10:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: SCOTUS rulz! In-Reply-To: <200106121251.IAA01733@www8.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > Isn't Jim Choate Prime against this ruling, on the > basis that it discriminates against certain > radiating frequencies? > > He has posted to that affect before. Bullshit. What I said was that basing a 'search' on the frequency of the radiation observed was bullshit. I stand by that. Just like 'common public use' is as equally full of shit. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jun 12 14:12:37 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:12:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <20010612092013.C2234@cluebot.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > The analogy's not perfect, but analogies never are. Especially when you're involved in them. > If you don't like what "spam critics" are doing, move to a different ISP. I *AM* my own ISP you dunderhead. I don't like some asshole with zero investment or liability through my acts telling me how to configure my mail server or how often to mow my front yard. Geesh, talk about one which flew over Declans Cookoo Nest. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Jun 12 14:18:48 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:18:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010612082112.02ef8b90@mail.wwc.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Greg Broiles wrote: > >Movie critics don't go around blocking me and my friends from seeing other > >movies besides the ones they want. > > Movie theaters prevent me from watching movies I want to see by A theatre is generaly not a critic. Apples and oranges. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From bear at sonic.net Tue Jun 12 16:34:58 2001 From: bear at sonic.net (Ray Dillinger) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > > >Movie critics don't go around blocking me and my friends from seeing other >movies besides the ones they want. > Nor did ORBS block you and your friends from sending or recieving email. However you got on his list, he had no authority over anyone. He just published it. It was *other people* -- the ones running mail relays -- who chose to pick it up and use it as an information resource. If you are arguing against someone's right to configure their mail system to block a list of suspect domains, or their right to form a list of suspect domains in any damn way they choose including going out and reading the ORBS database, you are just wrong. Bear From a3495 at cotse.com Tue Jun 12 13:43:10 2001 From: a3495 at cotse.com (Faustine) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! Message-ID: <992378590.3b267ede83830@public.webmail.cotse.com> Quoting Mr. May: At 2:58 PM -0400 6/12/01, Faustine wrote: >Bill Stewart: > >>And that doesn't even count the movie critics who decide that >>some movies not commercial enough so they don't get made. > >That's because studios are private-sector businesses, not nonprofits dedicated >to the arts. Is a film a work of art or a commercial product? Can >you really be >both? On the other hand, how can you produce art if nobody pays for it? Then >again, can you really have a work of art shot through, riddled and co-opted >with BS product placement every five seconds? I tend to think not. > >Still, I can't buy the idea of "good movies have a right to be made." Either >somebody with money is willing to back it, or not. Censorship isn't really an >issue here, just the hard, cruel laws of economics. ha. > >You might want to check out some back issues of the "Journal of Cultural >Economics," lots of relevant articles there. >Irony is lost on some people. Oh, poo: unfortunately, in the "real" world you'll hear similar arguments all too often. And I must say it doesn't seem any more outlandish than the kinds of arguments certain people around here are making against ORBS. Sorry, Bill! ~Faustine. *** Why are you a physicist? 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Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-JUSTNETNews at nlectc.org > ******************************************************* > NIJ Standard-0227.00, Digital Intercept System (DIS) > for Integrated Services Digital Networks (ISDN) > ******************************************************* > The digital intercept system provides the capability to > intercept any voice or digital data traffic between a > subscriber and an associate and forward it to a central > collector station for decoding and processing. The > system is modular, consisting of one or more bridges > (one for each subscriber line to be intercepted), and a > central collector facility. The bridges intercept and > forward all traffic from both directions on the > subscriber's line to the central collector over leased > forwarding facilities. At the central collector, a > workstation for each monitored line provides an agent > with control of the intercept process. > The standard was developed under the sponsorship of the > National Institute of Justice (NIJ). The project began > when NIST/OLES entered into an interagency agreement > with the Federal Bureau of Investigation to provide > technical guidance for developing ISDN intercept > methodologies. After the technology was successfully > demonstrated the preparation of the performance > standard was undertaken. The standard is now available > on a CD-ROM. > The standard bears a FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY > classification, meaning it may be disclosed only to > members of the law enforcement community and those in > private industries supporting law enforcement > activities. Please submit the request on your company > letterhead. [...] ~Aimee From reeza at flex.com Tue Jun 12 20:39:09 2001 From: reeza at flex.com (Reese) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:39:09 -1000 Subject: "This Is Your Brain On Cow" In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010612080149.0081c960@pop.sprynet.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010610171229.02edaec0@flex.com> <3.0.6.32.20010610185938.00808720@pop.sprynet.com> <20010610140941.A212@ils.unc.edu> <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010612172605.00e799e0@flex.com> At 05:01 AM 6/12/01, David Honig wrote: >At 05:14 PM 6/10/01 -1000, Reese wrote: >>What is it you know or think you know, that they do not? >> > >I know how to read, and I read _Science_. 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Message-ID: <3B26BE2E.C60D56A6@lsil.com> A pessimist like myself assumes the worst about the existence and use of things like this. It would be interesting to see but if you use mixmasters and end-to-end encryption their investment is probably for nought. That standards like this can be kept hidden does piss me off... got a copy? Mike > > The standard bears a FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY > > classification, meaning it may be disclosed only to > > members of the law enforcement community and those in > > private industries supporting law enforcement > > activities. Please submit the request on your company > > letterhead. [...] > > ~Aimee > From declan at well.com Tue Jun 12 17:10:38 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:10:38 -0400 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: ; from ravage@ssz.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:12:37PM -0500 References: <20010612092013.C2234@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <20010612201038.C18493@cluebot.com> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:12:37PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > I *AM* my own ISP you dunderhead. I don't like some asshole with zero > investment or liability through my acts telling me how to configure my > mail server or how often to mow my front yard. If you're listed on their naughtysiteslist, then route your mail through some other system that isn't. Or complain to the naughtysiteslist reviewer. Or launch a boycott of the reviewer. But don't try to say the reviewer somehow does not have the right to tell other people what he thinks about you. -Declan From declan at well.com Tue Jun 12 17:12:01 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:12:01 -0400 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <20010612152423.23176.qmail@gacracker.org>; from palerider@redneck.gacracker.org on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 03:24:23PM -0000 References: <20010612152423.23176.qmail@gacracker.org> Message-ID: <20010612201201.D18493@cluebot.com> No, I understand the point. We simply disagree. If you're on ORBS' nastysitelist, then you have a few choices: * Work it out with ORBS * Tell the site with which you want to communicate to override ORBS * Boycott ORBS * etc. -Declan On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 03:24:23PM -0000, Nat Love wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > The analogy's not perfect, but analogies never are. If you don't > > like what "spam critics" are doing, move to a different ISP. > > Again, you totally fail to get the point. ORBS hampered communications > between many ISPs. Simply moving to another one may or may not help. And > if you happen to be running an ISP that came into conflict with ORBS, that > moving thing is not an option. > > Nat From declan at well.com Tue Jun 12 17:14:57 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:14:57 -0400 Subject: ORBS In-Reply-To: ; from bear@sonic.net on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:01:58PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20010612201457.F18493@cluebot.com> Right. It's a cost-benefit analysis. Bob may pick up some of Alice's bad blocks, and there's a cost to that. But if the benefit of spam reduction outweighs the possibly-minimal cost, well, Bob's got a good thing going and he's quite happy to continue with that practice. -Declan On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:01:58PM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: > You know what? If Alice puts up a list of all the sites > she's blocking mail from, there is no problem with that. > She is not coercing anyone. She can block any site for any > reason she wants -- maybe she has intestinal gas, or maybe > she just doesn't like somebody. Tough toenails. > > If Bob reads this list and copies it, there is no problem > with that either -- Bob's not coercing anyone. > > Bob winds up blocking the people Alice blocked, even if she > blocked them for no good reason. But Bob is evidently okay > with that, or at least unable to find a better source of > information. > > If Alice were in a competitive business, and people paid for > better or more well-founded recommendations about blocking > lists, she'd probably be driven out of business. But whatever; > nobody else got into the business, so there's no competition. > Alice has a money-losing monopoly that provides marginal > service. > > The only problem arises because Alice started using scans and > listings as weapons. That's not wrong per se, as it's not > stealing or coercion -- it's just rude. But scans themselves > are perfectly acceptable and necessary as the only reliable > means of providing this service. > > I think ORBS was exactly the kind of "reputation service" most > folks here argue in favor of, and while some of us may have > despised it, that's not sufficient reason to interfere with > someone else's ability to publish whatever the hell they want > to publish. > > Or, I'll even go further. It was an example of "private law", > where the "law merchant" publishes a list of people who break > the laws they sell and then lets the market punish or not as > they choose. However flawed the list, and however obnoxious > the merchant was about the testing to create it, isn't that > exactly what many of you have been arguing for the right to do? > > Bear From honig at sprynet.com Tue Jun 12 20:32:08 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:32:08 -0700 Subject: SCOTUS rulz! In-Reply-To: <200106111525.LAA14271@www7.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010612203208.0082e600@pop.sprynet.com> At 11:25 AM 6/11/01 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: ># ># ``Where, as here, the government uses a device that is not in ># general public use to explore details of the home that would ># previously have been unknowable without physical intrusion, the ># surveillance is a 'search' and is presumptively unreasonable ># without a warrant,'' Scalia wrote. It will be interesting if they include airport u-wave scans of bodies too. ..... I don't care what a magnetometer thinks of my body, almost all of my iron is bound to proteins. From honig at sprynet.com Tue Jun 12 20:33:04 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:33:04 -0700 Subject: Final Score - McVeigh: 168 Feds: 1 In-Reply-To: <200106111719.f5BHJv514675@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010612203304.00821340@pop.sprynet.com> At 10:19 AM 6/11/01 -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: >As I was watching the coverage of the Tim McVeigh execution, I couldn't >help think that it was bigger than the coverage of the moon landing in >1969. One of Tim's colleages called it "Bloodstock" From honig at sprynet.com Tue Jun 12 20:56:10 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:56:10 -0700 Subject: Thermal Imaging Decision Applicable to TEMPEST? In-Reply-To: <200106121259.IAA00840@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010612205610.0082f100@pop.sprynet.com> At 08:58 AM 6/12/01 -0700, John Young wrote: >equipment 6 miles offshore Cuba in the 1960s. Advances in >technology would presumbably increase that capability. Two words: antenna design. From honig at sprynet.com Tue Jun 12 21:04:33 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:04:33 -0700 Subject: "This Is Your Brain On Cow" In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20010612092900.01b2cec0@idiom.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010612080149.0081c960@pop.sprynet.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010610171229.02edaec0@flex.com> <3.0.6.32.20010610185938.00808720@pop.sprynet.com> <20010610140941.A212@ils.unc.edu> <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010610132418.00ab7d20@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010612210433.00819e20@pop.sprynet.com> At 09:30 AM 6/12/01 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >At 08:01 AM 06/12/2001 -0700, David Honig wrote: >>I know how to read, and I read _Science_. A sidebar called "American's own >>prion disease" describing Chronic Wasting Disease belonging to the >>transmissable spongiform encephalopathies (like Creutzfeld-Jakob and BSE). >>Vol 292 1 June 01 p 1641 > >Is this from feeding Soylent Green to prisoners, >or is this from unsanitary feeding of meat animals at prisons farms? It may well be from an otherwise useful peptide sequence which has a slight, spontaneous, contagious potential for turning bad. Sometimes, your illness is because your grandfather adsorbed a cosmic ray. Myself, I prefer Slurm (tm) From honig at sprynet.com Tue Jun 12 21:33:10 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:33:10 -0700 Subject: ORBS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010612213310.00822ab0@pop.sprynet.com> At 04:01 PM 6/12/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: >Or, I'll even go further. It was an example of "private law", >where the "law merchant" publishes a list of people who break >the laws they sell and then lets the market punish or not as >they choose. However flawed the list, and however obnoxious >the merchant was about the testing to create it, isn't that >exactly what many of you have been arguing for the right to do? > > Bear Goodness, you just invented the concept of reputation, in the non-govt-maintained sense. From George at Orwellian.Org Tue Jun 12 19:06:01 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SCOTUS rulz! Message-ID: <200106130206.WAA14101@www3.aa.psiweb.com> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > Isn't Jim Choate Prime against this ruling, on the > basis that it discriminates against certain > radiating frequencies? > > He has posted to that affect before. Prime Sinister Jim Choate says: # # Bullshit. What I said was that basing a 'search' # on the frequency of the radiation observed was bullshit. # # I stand by that. Oh Google, what were his exact words? # Is a visible light search needful of a warrant? # If so then why is the frequency of the radiation an issue? SCOTUS said it violates the "home is the castle" principle, because there were no longer any walls. You could see inside. What part of "see inside" don't you understand? I quoted Diffie Whitfield: "An essential element of freedom is the right to privacy, a right that cannot be expected to stand against an unremitting technological attack." To which you replied that Diffie was an idiot. Who looks like an idiot now? From decoy at iki.fi Tue Jun 12 13:51:53 2001 From: decoy at iki.fi (Sampo Syreeni) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:51:53 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: pap Smear In-Reply-To: <20010612143318.22166.qmail@gacracker.org> Message-ID: On 12 Jun 2001, Nat Love wrote: >And whats to stop an untrustworthy virus from making the same claims, >placing the 'trustworthy' virus on the system and deleting itself? Nothing, of course. It is a question of likelihood. And we were thinking about *probable* cause, not evidence beyond reasonable doubt. Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy, mailto:decoy at iki.fi, gsm: +358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front From decoy at iki.fi Tue Jun 12 13:51:53 2001 From: decoy at iki.fi (Sampo Syreeni) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:51:53 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: pap Smear In-Reply-To: <20010612143318.22166.qmail@gacracker.org> Message-ID: On 12 Jun 2001, Nat Love wrote: >And whats to stop an untrustworthy virus from making the same claims, >placing the 'trustworthy' virus on the system and deleting itself? Nothing, of course. It is a question of likelihood. And we were thinking about *probable* cause, not evidence beyond reasonable doubt. 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A principle argument against being able to sort through the geometric increase in devices that leak emissions since the 1960s is that it is nearly impossible to find a pin in the hugely noisy haystack of the electrogmagnetic spectrum. Help me out here with signal analysis capability even with the niagara of the digital age. Is it not possible to sort through a very large range of signal using readily available algorithms to then pinpoint the signature of types of sources, then home in on subsets of those sources, to finally single out a particular source? With the increase in signal volume has come a corresponding increase in signal analysis capability. Analysis of the full electromagnetic spectrum has been possible for quite a while, if public documents on military research are a reliable guide, and comprehensive analysis is ever being refined with with increasingly fine granularity. While there are billions of electronic devices leaking emissions, there are no where near as many EM slots used by those devices and their emissions. In fact, there are only a small number of public slots -- so long as devices conform to regulations. EM leakage is regulated as well. If the world's devices conform to regulations, and those EM slots are known and catalogued for signal analysis, then there is a question about the leakage of the leakage, that is, emissions that escape regulation, by poor device design, by granularity, or unintentionally. The signature of a device which leaks, or makes noise, in a unique way is what presumably is searched for in sophisticated signal analysis. A few hundred submarines are identified this way, as are potentially billions of people. Are there too many unique device signatures to acquire and identify? Perhaps so, but I suspect that enterprise is being diligently worked on, beginning with data provided by manufacturers, catalogung implanted emissive attributes in the devices, using benchmarks for types of devices, tracking taggants and moles, cooking up new variants on Hidden Markov and the host of search/sort/analyze/ID algos. Jumping off the cliff of ignorance, I suspect that signal analysis, as with cryptanalysis, will be always able to find a way to get around obscurity. If you don't want to be acquired, don't signal. Silencio, mafia. From measl at mfn.org Wed Jun 13 05:37:10 2001 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:37:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: <20010612091708.B2234@cluebot.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > ORBS/MAPS/etc. "participate" by connecting to and reviewing sites, > > > much like I go out to and watch movies to review. > > > > Not always. If you refused to have your site "reviewed", then they would > > literally make one up. > > Huh? If theyr'e checking to see if you're running an open relay or > harboring spammers, both can be verified ("reviewed") without too much > effort. No. Assuming that ORBS servers were blocked at the edge (as is the case here), they have absolutely no way to test for open relays (not that it would do any good here, as we don't have any). If ORBS probes are blocked, ORBS will literally _invent_ the review of "open relay", and apply it to the "movie" (domain) they never had access to "see". There is another dark side to ORBS which seems to be missed here: Most people's primary complaint about spammers is that they (the spammer) is making use of network services at someone elses expense, without permission of the spamee. ORBS is guilty of the EXACT same "crime" - but, the ORBS is Politically Correct, so nobody seems to mind... Hypocrisy in action, eh? > > Good riddance to bad trash. Now that ORBS is dead, when are you going to > > follow their fine example Declan? > > Amusing. Last time I got a veiled death threat was when I wrote about > UFOs. You flatter yourself *way* too much Declan - I know of nobody who would waste a cartridge on your useless ass. > -Declan > -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From support at 4freeteen.com Wed Jun 13 05:12:13 2001 From: support at 4freeteen.com (support at 4freeteen.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:12:13 -0400 Subject: Welcome to 4 Free Teen Message-ID: <200106131212.IAA16012@nat71.national-net.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1705 bytes Desc: not available URL: From honig at sprynet.com Wed Jun 13 08:32:03 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:32:03 -0700 Subject: Thermal Imaging Decision Applicable to TEMPEST? In-Reply-To: <200106131138.HAA15996@granger.mail.mindspring.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20010612205610.0082f100@pop.sprynet.com> <200106121259.IAA00840@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010613083203.00824510@pop.sprynet.com> At 07:36 AM 6/13/01 -0700, John Young wrote: >David Honig wrote: > >>Two words: antenna design. > >A third is signal analysis. > >A principle argument against being able to sort through the geometric >increase in devices that leak emissions since the 1960s is that it is >nearly impossible to find a pin in the hugely noisy haystack of the >electrogmagnetic spectrum. > >Help me out here with signal analysis capability even with the niagara >of the digital age. Is it not possible to sort through a very large range >of signal using readily available algorithms to then pinpoint the >signature of types of sources, then home in on subsets of those >sources, to finally single out a particular source? Gosh, you just described Seti at home... massive, distributed, fine-toothed combing the spectra received from a very very specific direction. My reference to antenna design meant that you can filter out all the other emitters by using very high gain (ergo very directional) scoops. Look at the milky way ---a glowing cloud. But point a high gain receiver (ie, telescope) and you can pick out individual emitters, and resolve their spectra, which leaks info about their composition. ..... For every net that's gone quiet by using fiber, there's another that just installed a wireless LAN with the default password. 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If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, please click on the following link to be unsubscribed immediately. http://listserv.gozilla.com/users/unsubscribe.php?user_id=987912&email=cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com From declan at well.com Wed Jun 13 06:27:03 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:27:03 -0400 Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: References: <20010612091708.B2234@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010613092508.02236bb0@mail.well.com> Typically, you misunderstand a vigorous defense of someone's right to publish certain information with endorsement of the information published. Also typically, in a Choatian sense, you erroneously conflate speech with action. The rest is blather and not worth responding to. -Declan At 07:37 AM 6/13/01 -0500, measl at mfn.org wrote: >On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > > > ORBS/MAPS/etc. "participate" by connecting to and reviewing sites, > > > > much like I go out to and watch movies to review. > > > > > > Not always. If you refused to have your site "reviewed", then they would > > > literally make one up. > > > > Huh? If theyr'e checking to see if you're running an open relay or > > harboring spammers, both can be verified ("reviewed") without too much > > effort. > >No. Assuming that ORBS servers were blocked at the edge (as is the case >here), they have absolutely no way to test for open relays (not that it >would do any good here, as we don't have any). If ORBS probes are >blocked, ORBS will literally _invent_ the review of "open relay", and >apply it to the "movie" (domain) they never had access to "see". > >There is another dark side to ORBS which seems to be missed here: Most >people's primary complaint about spammers is that they (the spammer) is >making use of network services at someone elses expense, without >permission of the spamee. ORBS is guilty of the EXACT same "crime" - but, >the ORBS is Politically Correct, so nobody seems to mind... > >Hypocrisy in action, eh? > > > > Good riddance to bad trash. Now that ORBS is dead, when are you going to > > > follow their fine example Declan? > > > > Amusing. Last time I got a veiled death threat was when I wrote about > > UFOs. > >You flatter yourself *way* too much Declan - I know of nobody who would >waste a cartridge on your useless ass. > > > -Declan > > > >-- >Yours, >J.A. Terranson >sysadmin at mfn.org > >If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they >should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: >Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of >unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in >the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and >elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire >populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... >This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States >as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. > >The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, >associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of >those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the >first place... >-------------------------------------------------------------------- From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Wed Jun 13 07:28:55 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:28:55 -0400 Subject: Fixing ORBS, and spam-proofing open relays. Message-ID: Instead of bitching about ORBS (which certainly behaves sub-optimally), I'd like to suggest that we discuss how a 'better' spam blocklist could be operated. Who knows - maybe someone could set one up to follow good practices. Under the right circumstances, high-quality information can drive out bad. [For the record, I'm not as exercised about email spam as are many people - it takes me less time each day to trash the electronic junk mail than it does to sort out the paper kind, despite an internet presence stretching back decades, and posting to both mailing lists and Usenet with my real address. My main objection to spam is that I don't want sexually explicit email arriving in my 10 year old daughter's inbox]. I'd like to suggest that if ORBS gave a little more information about *why* a given site was listed, and sites where thus able to implement their own policies over what parts of the list to use, then that would be a far more equitable situation. For example, instead of just saying 'Don't accept mail from X. ...it gave a reason (here is a non-exhaustive list). * X maintains an unlimited open relay. * X blocks our attemps to check it. * Spam has come from X in the last month. * X maintains an open relay, but the the owner has implemented spam throttling measures. ... then the system would be much more acceptable. ------------------- BTW, I expect that it should be possible to spam-proof an open relay, by tinkering very slightly with the protocol implementation. For example: if a server required a 10 second pause between successive RCPT commands, then a message to a single recipient would pass without problems, but a spammer trying to send to many people would be blocked. There are *many* other ways to tinker with the protocol implementations which would let legitimate users send mail without difficulty, using normal agents, but which would make the spammers' life far more difficult. Peter Trei From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Wed Jun 13 07:28:55 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:28:55 -0400 Subject: Fixing ORBS, and spam-proofing open relays. Message-ID: Instead of bitching about ORBS (which certainly behaves sub-optimally), I'd like to suggest that we discuss how a 'better' spam blocklist could be operated. Who knows - maybe someone could set one up to follow good practices. Under the right circumstances, high-quality information can drive out bad. [For the record, I'm not as exercised about email spam as are many people - it takes me less time each day to trash the electronic junk mail than it does to sort out the paper kind, despite an internet presence stretching back decades, and posting to both mailing lists and Usenet with my real address. My main objection to spam is that I don't want sexually explicit email arriving in my 10 year old daughter's inbox]. I'd like to suggest that if ORBS gave a little more information about *why* a given site was listed, and sites where thus able to implement their own policies over what parts of the list to use, then that would be a far more equitable situation. For example, instead of just saying 'Don't accept mail from X. ...it gave a reason (here is a non-exhaustive list). * X maintains an unlimited open relay. * X blocks our attemps to check it. * Spam has come from X in the last month. * X maintains an open relay, but the the owner has implemented spam throttling measures. ... then the system would be much more acceptable. ------------------- BTW, I expect that it should be possible to spam-proof an open relay, by tinkering very slightly with the protocol implementation. For example: if a server required a 10 second pause between successive RCPT commands, then a message to a single recipient would pass without problems, but a spammer trying to send to many people would be blocked. There are *many* other ways to tinker with the protocol implementations which would let legitimate users send mail without difficulty, using normal agents, but which would make the spammers' life far more difficult. Peter Trei From bear at sonic.net Wed Jun 13 11:05:11 2001 From: bear at sonic.net (Ray Dillinger) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ORBS sucked into a black hole! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 measl at mfn.org wrote: >There is another dark side to ORBS which seems to be missed here: Most >people's primary complaint about spammers is that they (the spammer) is >making use of network services at someone elses expense, without >permission of the spamee. ORBS is guilty of the EXACT same "crime" - but, >the ORBS is Politically Correct, so nobody seems to mind... Not really. My problem with spam is not so much the use of my network services sans permission as the use of my eyeballs and attention sans permission. 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The medical researchers at Beaker-Bunsen took up the challenge to carefully dissect Balmer's statement. They discovered there was indeed medical precedent for calling Linux a cancer. We asked them what the medical equivalent would be for Windows. "Tourette syndrome, of course" they replied. http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010604 From pzakas at toucancapital.com Wed Jun 13 10:07:13 2001 From: pzakas at toucancapital.com (Phillip H. Zakas) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:07:13 -0400 Subject: Thermal Imaging Decision Applicable to TEMPEST? In-Reply-To: <200106131138.HAA15996@granger.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: > John Young says: > ...I suspect that signal analysis, > as with cryptanalysis, will be always able to find a way to get > around obscurity. If you don't want to be acquired, don't signal. > Silencio, mafia. I completely concur, and this happens to be the rule followed for highly sensitive information. In fact the general assumption is that if it's transmitted (wirelessly), it will end up in the wrong hands...so therefore don't transmit if you don't have to, and if you have to transmit, use obfuscation and cryptography. Unless some super secret govt. agency has discovered a new realm of physics unknown to the "public" physicists (not likely), I have to assume we're all working with the same general principles/limitations. Thus if one is interested in intercepting faint signals from a distance, one needs at least some of the following: - noise cancellation. sophisticated x-ray antenna arrays that focus on the transmissions of one star out of a cluster of thousands or millions, many lightyears away, proves the general noise cancellation approach is pretty good today. the same principles apply to cancelling the noise interfering with signals over distances (and if you're only a few hundred feet away, you don't need huge white antennas :) - highly focused antennas. phased array antennas which provide 2 degrees of focus can be purchased for a few hundred dollars. I'd have to imagine that focused antennas providing 1/10 degree of focus are possible (for more money) so that a particular omni-directional source (whether from monitors or from wireless networks) could be acquired from hundreds or thousands of feet away. In fact, one company I know of (there are many) sells phased array antennas that can interact with 100-500mw omni-directional antennas using the 2.4GHz spectrum (802.11x) from 1,000ft to as much as 15 miles away (the latter using 500mw antenna with clear line of sight.) - a knowledge of which frequency range to focus in on. For military vs. military applications, this is the tricky thing...not knowing which frequencies are being used or when or how. For wireless networks we all use well published frequencies with known handshaking protocols, known encryption strength, easy to understand encyrption algorithms, etc. One point not often addressed is the issue of how much security is enough. An information analogy often used in cryptographic circles is figher pilot communications vs. tactical battle plans. A fighter pilot's communications are generally important for the duration of the engagement and therefore one only needs enough cryptographic sophistication to protect the communication for, say, 15 minutes. Whereas battle plans require enough cryptographic sophistication to survive, say, 100 years of cryptanalysis(even given moore's laws.) This approach not only translates into hardware/software cost savings, but also cuts back on R&D expenses considerably (for example the $100M in equipment which landed in China recently probably cost billions in R&D and hundreds of man-years to develop.) phillip From amaha at vsnl.net Wed Jun 13 00:52:56 2001 From: amaha at vsnl.net (Fountain Of Joy) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:22:56 +0530 (IST) Subject: Thought-A-Day Message-ID: <20010613075256.BF7CC1E82B@mmb1.vsnl.net.in> "Success is not final,failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Sir Winston Churchill ***************************************************************************** Your name has been recommended to receive thoughts of wisdom from Fountain of Joy.These refreshing thoughts will be delivered,free of cost,to your desktop,everyday,for an initial evaluation period.We believe that the meaningful insights of these carefully selected thoughts will make your life peaceful,successful & happy in a way you had never imagined before. 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From bounce-stocknight-163101 at lyris.stocknight.com Wed Jun 13 15:23:21 2001 From: bounce-stocknight-163101 at lyris.stocknight.com (Stocknight ListServer) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:23:21 -0700 Subject: MERGER ANNOUNCED!!! Message-ID: [Stocknight.com] [Image] [Image] Issue 7 June 13, 2001 Editor's Note [Image] Generally, at StockNight we tend to feature financial news items that have come out after market but sometimes news falls into our hands that is of such significance that we distribute to our members as soon as possible. We just received authorization moments ago to send this news to our members. Read on! Elast Technologies Inc. [Image] Elast Technologies Inc. (OTCBB: ELTI) is presently engaged in two unique industries using applications of its patented technology. The first, the innovative Electronic Allergo Sensitivity Test, is an instrument with which allergies and food and chemical sensitivities may be detected without invading the body. Another application, the Bio-Potential Instrument, allows chiropractors the means with which to gauge the benefit of chiropractic care. The merger with PTS Inc. today brings yet another unique body of technology under the ELTI listing, some of whch could be affected dramatically by Chinese admission to the World Trade Organization. Click here to read CNN's take on China, Technology & the WTO. Merger News [Image] ELAST Technologies Merges with PTS, Inc. LAS VEGAS-- ELAST Technologies, Inc. ( OTCBB: ELTI ) announced it has merged with PTS, Inc., a Nevada corporation organized in 1999. PTS is committed to the development of a truly global trading platform to facilitate everyday business transactions. Through its pending joint venture with a major Shanghai information technology firm and the venture's forthcoming launch of a China based business-to-business platform PTS will take a major step towards this goal. PTS' China platform will permit real time business transactions such as electronic payments, contract fulfillment and the dissemination of financial information in China. Upon China's accession to the World Trade Organization PTS will be uniquely positioned to expand its platform globally conducting transactions of any size, anywhere, across multiple currencies. Through this merger ELAST Technologies will be favorably positioned in two important and emerging fields, electronic payment and electronic medicine, and the potential presented by each is limitless. Moreover, ``ELAST's merger with PTS should assure early perfection and delivery of ELAST's diagnostic tools, as well as reduced engineering and production costs,'' predicts Thomas F. Krucker, President and CEO. Currently, ELAST is engaged in the development of two separate diagnostic tools: its allergy testing device and its chiropractic outcome-measuring instrument. 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Please forward me information on the product and the commission structure at your earliest convenience. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From jchoate6 at us.tivoli.com Wed Jun 13 13:34:22 2001 From: jchoate6 at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:34:22 -0500 Subject: Frozen Light Message-ID: http://www.sciam.com/2001/0701issue/0701hau.html James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From jchoate6 at us.tivoli.com Wed Jun 13 13:49:45 2001 From: jchoate6 at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:49:45 -0500 Subject: IP v US Constitution Message-ID: http://www.Kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/6/12/181435/161 James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From boo at datashopper.dk Wed Jun 13 07:10:14 2001 From: boo at datashopper.dk (Bo Elkjaer) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:10:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: BRITISH SPIES: WE'RE PART OF UKUSA Message-ID: The british parliament have acknowledged membership of the UKUSA agreement. It happened in the annual report 1999-2000 from the Intelligence and Security Comittee. Link: http://www.official-documents.co.uk/document/cm48/4897/4897.htm The danish primeminister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen was handed the report in march, but apparantly decided to try to bury it. The following article was printed in Ekstra Bladet today. Yours Bo Elkjaer, Denmark BRITISH SPIES: WE ARE PART OF UKUSA The British intelligence service has admitted for the first time that they cooperate with the USA on surveillance through the UKUSA agreement. For several months now, Denmark's prime minister has had proof that the surveillance agreement behind Echelon exists. Poul Nyrup Rasmussen has had an official British acknowledgement of the spy agreement behind Echelon in his possession for several months. The British confirmation is in writing, and it confirms the fact that the British and the Americans cooperate closely on intelligence assignments under the UKUSA agreement. The UKUSA cooperation is accused of standing behind the Echelon system, and it is the first time that any of the involved parties officially mention the existence of the controversial agreement whose precise contents are still classified. The Intelligence and Security Committee of the British Parliament mentions the close cooperation in its annual report for 1999-2000. The report was delivered to Great Britain's prime minister Tony Blair in August of last year, but Denmark's prime minister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen has known about the report since March of this year at least. 'The quality of the compiled intelligence clearly indicates the value of this close cooperation under the UKUSA agreement,' says the official British report, which subsequently, and in great detail, reveals how close the cooperation between the British and the Americans actually is. The report mentions as an example that the British took over the assignments of the USA's National Security Agency (NSA) for three days in 2000, when the NSA's computers broke down. For three days, the British were capable of servicing their own 'clients', as well as the USA's, by tapping telefaxes, e-mails and phone conversations. The British report confirms in writing the very same issues about which several Danish parties have been trying to get Denmark's prime minister, Poul Nyrup Rasmussen, to ask Great Britain's prime minister, Tony Blair: whether the US and Great Britain are cooperating on surveillance. NOT MY TABLE Through a secretary, prime minister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen refuses to comment. He refers the matter to the Ministry of Defence. Yet in spite of Nyrup's referral, Minister of Defence Jan Trøjborg is also unwilling to comment on the Echelon case that is putting the government under increasing pressure. The chairman of the Socialist Party, Holger K. Nielsen, informs Ekstra Bladet that he will try to force Poul Nyrup Rasmussen to contact Tony Blair regarding an Echelon inquiry, possibly by going around the government to get a majority: "They might as well do it now. The pressure from the parties will continue to increase. It's unreasonable that this information should just be quietly ignored. Is it acceptable that with the information now in its possession the government keeps refusing to inform the public, to organise any kind of investigation or merely to send an inquiry to Great Britain? "No, it is not acceptable. In my opinion, they should contact Great Britain in the form of an inquiry," says Holger K. Nielsen. "This affair concerns the European countries, and I find it very unacceptable that Great Britain is hedging its bets here." "The Echelon Report from the European Parliament particularly emphasises the industrial conflicts between the USA and Europe. In my opinion, Great Britain is playing Trojan Horse in this game, which is unacceptable. Hopefully, the government will realise that they must react." Do you think they will? "They appear quite intractable. But in light of the fact that the European Parliament places such a high priority on the case, they can't keep avoiding the issue." DEMANDS CLARITY Prime minister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen learned about the British report, which confirms the intelligence cooperation, in March in connection with an official question asked in a session of parliament. The question to the prime minister was submitted by member of parliament Keld Albrechtsen after Ekstra Bladet had sent a copy of the annual report of the British intelligence agency to Mr Albrechtsen for a comment. Instead, Mr Albrechtsen chose to formulate a question to the prime minister, who replied one month later, on 26 April 2001. In his reply, Poul Nyrup Rasmussen merely stated that neither the Danish Defence Intelligence Service nor the Police Department's intelligence service are willing to comment on the cooperation agreements of other countries in the intelligence field. Thus two other highly placed ministers must know about the global surveillance, i.e. Minister of Justice Frank Jensen and Minister of Defence Jan Trøjborg. A few days ago, Helge Adam Møller, MP for the Conservative Party, tried to get a majority of parliament to force Nyrup Rasmussen to ask Blair about Echelon. The Liberal Party refused to support the proposal however. Ekstra Bladet asked the Liberal Party's spokesman in the area whether it was acceptable that the government refused to inform the general public about Echelon or to ask the British about the matter. "What is seriously unacceptable is that the government has trouble deciding what to inform the parliament about," says Kristian Jensen. "The Radical Liberal Party in the government says that Denmark should do something about Echelon and the Social Democrats say it doesn't even exist. It is unacceptable to us that the government can't make up its mind on the issue. Therefore, our first demand is that the government should get control over its own legs and agree on what it knows about Echelon and on what it intends to tell the Danish parliament," says Kristian Jensen. "So we're looking for some clear answers from the government as to what it can tell us about Echelon and what the government's position actually is." After Ekstra Bladet's disclosure, Knud Erik Hansen of the Socialist Party will now request a meeting with Poul Nyrup Rasmussen on the matter. -- EOT From boo at datashopper.dk Wed Jun 13 07:10:14 2001 From: boo at datashopper.dk (Bo Elkjaer) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:10:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: BRITISH SPIES: WE'RE PART OF UKUSA Message-ID: The british parliament have acknowledged membership of the UKUSA agreement. It happened in the annual report 1999-2000 from the Intelligence and Security Comittee. Link: http://www.official-documents.co.uk/document/cm48/4897/4897.htm The danish primeminister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen was handed the report in march, but apparantly decided to try to bury it. The following article was printed in Ekstra Bladet today. Yours Bo Elkjaer, Denmark BRITISH SPIES: WE ARE PART OF UKUSA The British intelligence service has admitted for the first time that they cooperate with the USA on surveillance through the UKUSA agreement. For several months now, Denmark's prime minister has had proof that the surveillance agreement behind Echelon exists. Poul Nyrup Rasmussen has had an official British acknowledgement of the spy agreement behind Echelon in his possession for several months. The British confirmation is in writing, and it confirms the fact that the British and the Americans cooperate closely on intelligence assignments under the UKUSA agreement. The UKUSA cooperation is accused of standing behind the Echelon system, and it is the first time that any of the involved parties officially mention the existence of the controversial agreement whose precise contents are still classified. The Intelligence and Security Committee of the British Parliament mentions the close cooperation in its annual report for 1999-2000. The report was delivered to Great Britain's prime minister Tony Blair in August of last year, but Denmark's prime minister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen has known about the report since March of this year at least. 'The quality of the compiled intelligence clearly indicates the value of this close cooperation under the UKUSA agreement,' says the official British report, which subsequently, and in great detail, reveals how close the cooperation between the British and the Americans actually is. The report mentions as an example that the British took over the assignments of the USA's National Security Agency (NSA) for three days in 2000, when the NSA's computers broke down. For three days, the British were capable of servicing their own 'clients', as well as the USA's, by tapping telefaxes, e-mails and phone conversations. The British report confirms in writing the very same issues about which several Danish parties have been trying to get Denmark's prime minister, Poul Nyrup Rasmussen, to ask Great Britain's prime minister, Tony Blair: whether the US and Great Britain are cooperating on surveillance. NOT MY TABLE Through a secretary, prime minister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen refuses to comment. He refers the matter to the Ministry of Defence. Yet in spite of Nyrup's referral, Minister of Defence Jan Trxjborg is also unwilling to comment on the Echelon case that is putting the government under increasing pressure. The chairman of the Socialist Party, Holger K. Nielsen, informs Ekstra Bladet that he will try to force Poul Nyrup Rasmussen to contact Tony Blair regarding an Echelon inquiry, possibly by going around the government to get a majority: "They might as well do it now. The pressure from the parties will continue to increase. It's unreasonable that this information should just be quietly ignored. Is it acceptable that with the information now in its possession the government keeps refusing to inform the public, to organise any kind of investigation or merely to send an inquiry to Great Britain? "No, it is not acceptable. In my opinion, they should contact Great Britain in the form of an inquiry," says Holger K. Nielsen. "This affair concerns the European countries, and I find it very unacceptable that Great Britain is hedging its bets here." "The Echelon Report from the European Parliament particularly emphasises the industrial conflicts between the USA and Europe. In my opinion, Great Britain is playing Trojan Horse in this game, which is unacceptable. Hopefully, the government will realise that they must react." Do you think they will? "They appear quite intractable. But in light of the fact that the European Parliament places such a high priority on the case, they can't keep avoiding the issue." DEMANDS CLARITY Prime minister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen learned about the British report, which confirms the intelligence cooperation, in March in connection with an official question asked in a session of parliament. The question to the prime minister was submitted by member of parliament Keld Albrechtsen after Ekstra Bladet had sent a copy of the annual report of the British intelligence agency to Mr Albrechtsen for a comment. Instead, Mr Albrechtsen chose to formulate a question to the prime minister, who replied one month later, on 26 April 2001. In his reply, Poul Nyrup Rasmussen merely stated that neither the Danish Defence Intelligence Service nor the Police Department's intelligence service are willing to comment on the cooperation agreements of other countries in the intelligence field. Thus two other highly placed ministers must know about the global surveillance, i.e. Minister of Justice Frank Jensen and Minister of Defence Jan Trxjborg. A few days ago, Helge Adam Mxller, MP for the Conservative Party, tried to get a majority of parliament to force Nyrup Rasmussen to ask Blair about Echelon. The Liberal Party refused to support the proposal however. Ekstra Bladet asked the Liberal Party's spokesman in the area whether it was acceptable that the government refused to inform the general public about Echelon or to ask the British about the matter. "What is seriously unacceptable is that the government has trouble deciding what to inform the parliament about," says Kristian Jensen. "The Radical Liberal Party in the government says that Denmark should do something about Echelon and the Social Democrats say it doesn't even exist. It is unacceptable to us that the government can't make up its mind on the issue. Therefore, our first demand is that the government should get control over its own legs and agree on what it knows about Echelon and on what it intends to tell the Danish parliament," says Kristian Jensen. "So we're looking for some clear answers from the government as to what it can tell us about Echelon and what the government's position actually is." After Ekstra Bladet's disclosure, Knud Erik Hansen of the Socialist Party will now request a meeting with Poul Nyrup Rasmussen on the matter. -- EOT From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jun 13 14:55:32 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:55:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Network library lcrzo 3.13 (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:17:23 +0200 From: Laurent INFOS Reply-To: laurent.constantin at aql.fr To: coderpunks at toad.com Subject: Network library lcrzo 3.13 Hello, Version 3.13 of lcrzo is now available. Lcrzo is a network library, for network administrators and network hackers. Its objective is to easily create network programs. This library provides network functionnalities for Ethernet, IP, UDP, TCP, ICMP, ARP and RARP protocols. It supports spoofing, sniffing, client and server creation. Furthermore, lcrzo contains high level functions dealing with data storage and handling. Using all these functions, you can quickly create a network test program. Lcrzo, which means "Laurent Constantin R�ZO" (R�ZO=network in French), and can be pronounced " 'el' 'sea' 'reso'lv ", is available under the GNU LGPL license. This library was successfully installed under Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris. The library lcrzo provides : - network functionnalities : + address conversion + packet encoding/decoding/printing + spoofing + real/virtual UDP/TCP clients/servers + sniffing + device(network board) dealing + etc. - and general functionnalities : + data conversion + chained list + IPC + etc. Over 200 examples of lcrzo are included in lcrzoex. ** download ** You can read more about lcrzo and download it at : http://www.laurentconstantin.com/us/lcrzo/lcrzo/ [main server] http://laurentconstantin.free.fr/us/lcrzo/lcrzo/ [backup server] http://laurentconstantin.est-la.com/us/lcrzo/lcrzo/ [backup server] http://laurentconstantin.ctw.net/us/lcrzo/lcrzo/ [backup server] http://go.to/laurentconstantin/ [backup server] ** changes ** Lcrzoex/lcrzo 3.13 includes the following changes : Version 3.13 - 13-june-2001 ++ bugs ++ - In functions lcrzo_packet_decodem_xxx, negative sizes weren't forbidden : they were converted to big positive numbers. So, a segmentation fault appeared when a negative parameter was used. ++ major evolutions of liblcrzo ++ - Creation of lcrzo_icmp module. This module can create and decode various kinds of ICMP packets (rfc 792). - When converting ip addresses to Ethernet addresses, default spoofed addresses are the addresses of the local computer (a new type is created : LCRZO_INTSPOOF_TYPE_CONF). This can be reverted to old behaviour using : lcrzo_global_set_intspoof_ip_type(LCRZO_INTSPOOF_TYPE_COMP); With the old behaviour, problems appeared because some systems keep in mind the false adresses used in ARP requests ; then communicating with these systems were temporarily not possible for other computers (the spoofed one). ++ minor evolutions of liblcrzo ++ - Type of ICMP packets is displayed by lcrzo_hdrlicmp_fprint. - The libpcap package modified by RedHat is detected by genemake, and the variable LCRZODEF_LIBPCAPFROMREDHAT is defined. In the module lcrzo_sniff, this special package is now treated separately. - The special device "any" is supported in lcrzo_mtu_init_device and lcrzo_ipl_init_device. It allows to sniff on all devices of the computer. - Update of sniff functions to sniff on all devices with "any". - Installation on RedHat is easier because pcap.h is searched in /usr/include/pcap/. - Creation of lcrzo-config which permits to compile easily : gcc -o fich fich.c `lcrzo-config -cl` - The function pcap_freecode is now called (this function wasn't available in versions of libpcap previous to 0.6). ++ major evolutions of lcrzoex ++ - Rewrite of tools 138 and 172 : tcp traceroute. - Tools 244..247 : udp and icmp traceroute. - Tools 248 and 249 : icmp ping. - Tools 250 and 251 : tcp ping. - Tools 252 and 253 : tcp port scanner. - Tools 254 and 255 : udp port scanner. - Tools 256 and 257 : icmp scanner. ++ minor evolutions of lcrzoex ++ - Creation of lcrzoex__0000i.c to separate lcrzoex.c in smaller and faster to compile files. -- Laurent Constantin http://www.laurentconstantin.com/us/ [main server] http://laurentconstantin.free.fr/us/ [backup server] http://laurentconstantin.est-la.com/us/ [backup server] http://laurentconstantin.ctw.net/us/ [backup server] http://go.to/laurentconstantin/ [backup server] -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From pzakas at toucancapital.com Wed Jun 13 14:07:52 2001 From: pzakas at toucancapital.com (Phillip H. Zakas) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:07:52 -0400 Subject: napster: civil disobedience re: copyright laws In-Reply-To: Message-ID: excerpt from the article: "...Civil disobedience in the face of copyright laws promotes the democratic ideal that information is a public good, thereby sustaining the Internet community's founding belief that 'information wants to be free.' " i didn't know (as the article explains) that the EU no longer has 'work for hire' boundaries. rip away... phillip http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1276-210-6269374-1.html?tag=bt_pr From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jun 13 15:15:40 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:15:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: The summer of OAEP (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 13 Jun 2001 17:40:07 -0000 From: lcs Mixmaster Remailer To: cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: The summer of OAEP These are some of the papers to be presented at Crypto 2001 in August[1]: A Chosen Ciphertext Attack On RSA Optimal Asymmetric Encryption Padding (OAEP) as Standardized In PKCS #1 James Manger OAEP Reconsidered Victor Shoup RSA--OAEP is Secure Under the RSA Assumption Eiichiro Fujisaki, Tatsuaki Okamoto, David Pointcheval and Jacques Stern Simplified OAEP for the RSA and Rabin Functions Dan Boneh Shoup's abstract[2] reads: The OAEP encryption scheme was introduced by Bellare and Rogaway at Eurocrypt '94. It converts any trapdoor permutation scheme into a public-key encryption scheme. OAEP is widely believed to provide resistance against adaptive chosen ciphertext attack. The main justification for this belief is a supposed proof of security in the random oracle model, assuming the underlying trapdoor permutation scheme is one way. This paper shows conclusively that this justification is invalid. First, it observes that there appears to be a non-trivial gap in the OAEP security proof. Second, it proves that this gap cannot be filled, in the sense that there can be no standard "black box" security reduction for OAEP. This is done by proving that there exists an oracle relative to which the general OAEP scheme is insecure. The paper also presents a new scheme OAEP+ along with a complete proof of security in the random oracle model. OAEP+ is essentially just as efficient as OAEP, and even has a tighter security reduction. It should be stressed that these results do not imply that a particular instantiation of OAEP, such as RSA-OAEP, is insecure. They simply undermine the original justification for its security. In fact, it turns out - essentially by accident, rather than by design - that RSA-OAEP is secure in the random oracle model; however this fact relies on special algebraic properties of the RSA function, and not on the security of the general OAEP scheme. The Fujisaki, et al abstract[3] reads: Recently Victor Shoup noted that there is a gap in the widely-believed security result of OAEP against adaptive chosen-ciphertext attacks. Moreover, he showed that, presumably, OAEP cannot be proven secure from the one-wayness of the underlying trapdoor permutation. This paper establishes another result on the security of OAEP. It proves that OAEP offers semantic security against adaptive chosen-ciphertext attacks, in the random oracle model, under the partial-domain one-wayness of the underlying permutation. Therefore, this uses a formally stronger assumption. Nevertheless, since partial-domain one-wayness of the RSA function is equivalent to its (full-domain) one-wayness, it follows that the security of RSA-OAEP can actually be proven under the sole RSA assumption, although the reduction is not tight. [1] http://www.iacr.org/conferences/c2001/accept.html [2] http://shoup.net/papers/oaep.ps.Z [3] http://cgi.di.ens.fr/cgi-bin/pointche/papers.html?FuOkPoSt00 --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From georgemw at speakeasy.net Wed Jun 13 17:51:57 2001 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:51:57 -0700 Subject: July..anything resolved? Message-ID: <3B27A83D.15287.208CEC0@localhost> There was a question brought up at the last BA cypherpunks meeting about what the July meeting agenda might be, depending onwho will be there vs, say, at Defcon instead. Was anything resolved? I might want to go to Defcon, whether I do or not depends largely on whether I feel there's anything to do around here. There's a Phish concert that weekend and I have a dentist appointment, so I think incentives for staying and going are about equal. George From iang at systemics.com Wed Jun 13 15:55:33 2001 From: iang at systemics.com (Ian Grigg) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:55:33 -0400 Subject: [EFCE2K] Scheduled programme - 9 days and counting Message-ID: The scheduled programme for EFCE is now posted on the site at: http://www.efce.net/programme.html It's now about 9 days and counting to go, so if you haven't registered and got your travel logistics sorted out, you'd better get cracking. We again have a FULL programme of the latest and greatest in Financial Cryptography. More running code than any other event! Every presentation a highlight, every line of source a chance to crash and burn in engineering style :) See you there, assuming fair winds, industrial peace in France, and litiguous peace in the Caribbean! -- iang --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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IndustrySearch.Com includes hundreds of unique SIC portals. Get linked to IndustrySearch.Com today! On-line RFQs are sent instantly via email E-Commerce Hyperlinks to featured Advertiser Web Sites found on Portals Online tools Casters Manufacturing, supplier, and service companies can be easily located by state from our USA Industrial Directory Library of Feature Articles Search New Product Releases or submit your company�s Casters Trade Association Hyperlinks and Calendar listings If our proposal of a free listing in our USA Industrial Directory was an intrusion we apologize. To be removed from our "Casters" data send a email with remove in the subject line to webmaster at industrysearch.com From mnorton at cavern.uark.edu Wed Jun 13 18:24:00 2001 From: mnorton at cavern.uark.edu (Mac Norton) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:24:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: TIME.com: Nation -- Supreme Court: Relax. The Heat is Off In-Reply-To: <200106140038.UAA06414@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: if the signal is your own, and it would not exit the home by its own force, you have a reasonable expectation of privacy by a 9-0 vote of about any SCt since Taft died. Well, 7-2 anyway. However, if the signals are from outside, received in the home (isn't that what Wright was after?), the issue remains a bit unclear. I, you see, don't necessarily have the same reasonable expectation in *your* home. MacN On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, John Young wrote: > Let me try again after reading Time's Q&A and the responding > attorney claiming that anything inside a home is protected but > nothing outside it is. > > My question concerns the methodology of "illuminating" or > "radiating" an object, say, within a home, in order to acquire > signal that may be striking that object, say emissions from > an electronic device but not escaping to the outside under > there own momentum. > > Peter Wright in "Spycatcher" describes use of this technology > to acquire signal from crypto machines, French as I recall. > There was discussion of this here a while back, in connection > with the contraption concealed by the Soviets behind the great > seal in the US Embassy in Moscow. Wright analyzed that > contraption for the US to understand how it worked. > > Wright is not altogether precise in describing the methodology > nor that of other counterintelligence tools he and others > invented, but some of them appear to be related to acoustic > analysis. (Wright and his father worked for Marconi which > specialized in producing classified comsec products for the UK > military and secret services.) > > In any event, if a method is used to acquire signal *within* > a home, would that acquisition be forbidden by the thermal > decision? That is, if a signal is sent into a home to acquire > an interior signal, is that a violation? > > This may seem to be similar to a bug planted just outside the > face of an exterior wall of a home, or reading the vibrations of > window glass, but I'm trying to imagine an alternative technology > to these, perhaps one that remains classified. > > BTW, there has been speculation that NONSTOP and/or HIJACK > are codewords for acoustic vulnerabilities of the sort I'm > fumbling with. > > The reason I'm pursuing this is that I've been told we are not > asking NSA the right questions to be answered under FOIA, > that there is technology which has not been revealed in > public and whose names are secret. But we haven't been > able to determine what to ask besides stuff usually associated > with TEMPEST. From jya at pipeline.com Wed Jun 13 20:37:54 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:37:54 -0700 Subject: TIME.com: Nation -- Supreme Court: Relax. The Heat is Off In-Reply-To: <3B2801C6.FC2DD2D0@ssz.com> Message-ID: <200106140038.UAA06414@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> Let me try again after reading Time's Q&A and the responding attorney claiming that anything inside a home is protected but nothing outside it is. My question concerns the methodology of "illuminating" or "radiating" an object, say, within a home, in order to acquire signal that may be striking that object, say emissions from an electronic device but not escaping to the outside under there own momentum. Peter Wright in "Spycatcher" describes use of this technology to acquire signal from crypto machines, French as I recall. There was discussion of this here a while back, in connection with the contraption concealed by the Soviets behind the great seal in the US Embassy in Moscow. Wright analyzed that contraption for the US to understand how it worked. Wright is not altogether precise in describing the methodology nor that of other counterintelligence tools he and others invented, but some of them appear to be related to acoustic analysis. (Wright and his father worked for Marconi which specialized in producing classified comsec products for the UK military and secret services.) In any event, if a method is used to acquire signal *within* a home, would that acquisition be forbidden by the thermal decision? That is, if a signal is sent into a home to acquire an interior signal, is that a violation? This may seem to be similar to a bug planted just outside the face of an exterior wall of a home, or reading the vibrations of window glass, but I'm trying to imagine an alternative technology to these, perhaps one that remains classified. BTW, there has been speculation that NONSTOP and/or HIJACK are codewords for acoustic vulnerabilities of the sort I'm fumbling with. The reason I'm pursuing this is that I've been told we are not asking NSA the right questions to be answered under FOIA, that there is technology which has not been revealed in public and whose names are secret. But we haven't been able to determine what to ask besides stuff usually associated with TEMPEST. From George at Orwellian.Org Wed Jun 13 19:15:30 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TIME.com: Nation -- Supreme Court: Relax. The Heat is Off Message-ID: <200106140215.WAA18144@www7.aa.psiweb.com> John "Wascally Wabbit" Young hopping huffing wrote: # # The reason I'm pursuing this is that I've been told we are not # asking NSA the right questions to be answered under FOIA, Why not [also] ask John "Huge Penis for Christ & Pornography" Ashcroft whether he interpretes (sigh) the Supreme Court decision as including TEMPEST pickups. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 3795 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sales at edje-imaging.com Wed Jun 13 20:44:13 2001 From: sales at edje-imaging.com (Edje Imaging) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:44:13 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?HP4100_Chip_Resets_-_now_offered_!!!?= Message-ID: <105301c0f48b$1f68d790$0ec516c4@denton> NEWS RELEASE 2 June 2001 We have experienced undue delays in industrialising the production for the HP4100 and HP2000C (also HP2200C / HP2500C). HP4100 This is mainly because we have had to encapsulate our HP4100 design in an electronic resin shell. Also there are other highly technological materials that we required from Europe in order to complete the process. We have invested heavily in the production and this delay of a few weeks will only benefit you later as we have managed to save considerably on production costs by adapting our methods. We are still hopeful that we will release the solution in 7 days. Resetting (docking booths) will release two weeks after this. HP2000C The delay on this is because we have had to farm-out the actual manufacture of the wafer board. The chip (non-encapsulated) is so small that we simply do not have the machinery and electronic manufacturing line to produce these on. This is really hi-tech and involved the actual design and manufacture of a wafer board that is around 1cm x 1cm. We are still hopeful that we will release the solution in 10 days. Resetting (docking booths) will release at same time. HP4500 Chips are in stock and are selling well. We have put the release of the resetting machine on a back-burner as a result of prioritising towards the HP4100 and HP2000C release. These machines will however be available in a month's time. RESETTING HP4100 CHIPS IN THE INTERIM HERE'S SOME RELIEF.........................Because of the delays you have experienced in the wait, we are happy to offer resets from South Africa. We are glad to receive your removed HP4100 chips for resetting at our South African offices. We will charge a paltry US$7 for this service as an apology for the delays. Bear in mind that you will require to pay the freight both ways, however this will be fairly inexpensive. What we need you to follow in this process: - * Remove chip from each cartridge * Leave the chip in its encapsulation (DO NOT REMOVE or OPEN THIS) * Specifically mark the SERIAL NUMBER of the cartridge and tag this to each chip individually. This is very important. We recommend you use a sticker. * The chip is quite robust in the encapsulation so you need only ship these in a FEDEX or similar box in wrapping * We can offer a turnaround time per lots of 200 in 24 hours, but safely work on 48 hours * The delivery address is: 47 PEACE ROAD, KLOOF, 3610, KWA-ZULU NATAL, REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA. ~ OR ~ you can ship via our US offices for convenience, who will handle shipping on your behalf * All billing will be done ex Chicago and there is no need to pay the RSA office * We prefer FEDEX rather than other couriers * Please ensure you list your INTERNATIONAL: ACCOUNT NUMBER for return courier mail * The product code is EI-HP4100RS1 (Edje Imaging - HP4100 Reset 1) XEROX We are selling the XEROX N24/32/40 chip solutions and are happy to "bargain" on price as we are VERY late to market. The only reason we are doing these is out of demand. LEXMARK (FT-PRS) We are still selling these in huge numbers. Please enquire for your new orders. TOSHIBA, VERITEK, QMS, UNISYS We are happy to make up special chip orders for you on these makes. This pertains to Lexmark OEM-partners using the PREBATE lockout chips. These are different from Lexmark in regard to unique coding so we would require your chip samples to read, during manufacture. We look forward to your requests and orders. Should you have queries, please feel free to contact our offices. Kind regards ~ Marketing & Sales U.S.A. HEADQUARTERS Suite 300, Edje House, 81 North Chicago Street, Joliet, 60432, IL, USA Tel: - 815 722 2350, Fax: - 815 722 2308 MARKETING & SALES OFFICE 47 Peace Road, Kloof Golf & Country Club, Kloof 3610, Kwa-Zulu Natal, Republic of South Africa Tel: - +27-31- 764 3300, Fax: - +27-31- 764 1365 E-Mail: - sales at edje-imaging.com Website: - www.edje-imaging.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Resetting (docking booths) will release two weeks after this. HP2000C The delay on this is because we have had to farm-out the actual manufacture of the wafer board. The chip (non-encapsulated) is so small that we simply do not have the machinery and electronic manufacturing line to produce these on. This is really hi-tech and involved the actual design and manufacture of a wafer board that is around 1cm x 1cm. We are still hopeful that we will release the solution in 10 days. Resetting (docking booths) will release at same time. HP4500 Chips are in stock and are selling well. We have put the release of the resetting machine on a back-burner as a result of prioritising towards the HP4100 and HP2000C release. These machines will however be available in a month's time. RESETTING HP4100 CHIPS IN THE INTERIM HERE'S SOME RELIEF.........................Because of the delays you have experienced in the wait, we are happy to offer resets from South Africa. We are glad to receive your removed HP4100 chips for resetting at our South African offices. We will charge a paltry US$7 for this service as an apology for the delays. Bear in mind that you will require to pay the freight both ways, however this will be fairly inexpensive. What we need you to follow in this process: - * Remove chip from each cartridge * Leave the chip in its encapsulation (DO NOT REMOVE or OPEN THIS) * Specifically mark the SERIAL NUMBER of the cartridge and tag this to each chip individually. This is very important. We recommend you use a sticker. * The chip is quite robust in the encapsulation so you need only ship these in a FEDEX or similar box in wrapping * We can offer a turnaround time per lots of 200 in 24 hours, but safely work on 48 hours * The delivery address is: 47 PEACE ROAD, KLOOF, 3610, KWA-ZULU NATAL, REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA. ~ OR ~ you can ship via our US offices for convenience, who will handle shipping on your behalf * All billing will be done ex Chicago and there is no need to pay the RSA office * We prefer FEDEX rather than other couriers * Please ensure you list your INTERNATIONAL: ACCOUNT NUMBER for return courier mail * The product code is EI-HP4100RS1 (Edje Imaging - HP4100 Reset 1) XEROX We are selling the XEROX N24/32/40 chip solutions and are happy to "bargain" on price as we are VERY late to market. The only reason we are doing these is out of demand. LEXMARK (FT-PRS) We are still selling these in huge numbers. Please enquire for your new orders. TOSHIBA, VERITEK, QMS, UNISYS We are happy to make up special chip orders for you on these makes. This pertains to Lexmark OEM-partners using the PREBATE lockout chips. These are different from Lexmark in regard to unique coding so we would require your chip samples to read, during manufacture. We look forward to your requests and orders. Should you have queries, please feel free to contact our offices. Kind regards ~ Marketing & Sales U.S.A. HEADQUARTERS Suite 300, Edje House, 81 North Chicago Street, Joliet, 60432, IL, USA Tel: - 815 722 2350, Fax: - 815 722 2308 MARKETING & SALES OFFICE 47 Peace Road, Kloof Golf & Country Club, Kloof 3610, Kwa-Zulu Natal, Republic of South Africa Tel: - +27-31- 764 3300, Fax: - +27-31- 764 1365 E-Mail: - sales at edje-imaging.com Website: - www.edje-imaging.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 6260 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ravage at ssz.com Thu Jun 14 05:12:18 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:12:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [EFCE2K] Scheduled programme - 9 days and counting (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:50:02 -0400 From: "R. A. Hettinga" To: dcsb at ai.mit.edu, cryptography at wasabisystems.com, coderpunks at toad.com, e$@vmeng.com Subject: [EFCE2K] Scheduled programme - 9 days and counting --- begin forwarded text From ericm at lne.com Thu Jun 14 07:46:44 2001 From: ericm at lne.com (Eric Murray) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:46:44 -0700 Subject: Fixing ORBS, and spam-proofing open relays. In-Reply-To: ; from ptrei@rsasecurity.com on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 10:28:55AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010614074644.A24781@slack.lne.com> On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 10:28:55AM -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: > Instead of bitching about ORBS (which certainly > behaves sub-optimally), I'd like to suggest that we > discuss how a 'better' spam blocklist could be > operated. > > Who knows - maybe someone could set one up > to follow good practices. Under the right circumstances, > high-quality information can drive out bad. > > [For the record, I'm not as exercised about email > spam as are many people - it takes me less time > each day to trash the electronic junk mail than it > does to sort out the paper kind, despite an internet > presence stretching back decades, and posting to both > mailing lists and Usenet with my real address. My > main objection to spam is that I don't want sexually > explicit email arriving in my 10 year old daughter's > inbox]. > > I'd like to suggest that if ORBS gave a little more > information about *why* a given site was listed, > and sites where thus able to implement their own > policies over what parts of the list to use, > then that would be a far more equitable situation. ORBS couldn't do this with any granularity because of the way it was implemented- you did a DNS lookup on the IP address to see if it was in the ORBS database. There was no meta-info available. They (MAPS) did have three different databases- one for open relays (ORBS), one listing addresses that are within an ISP's range of dialups (and which should have been using the ISP's mail servers to relay, not sending directly), and one other database that I can't remember at the moment (was it known spammers?). Using DNS for database lookups had some technical advantages- it's low bandwidth and caching was already built in to DNS. So for example a site like mine which has limited bandwidth (I live out in the woods) and does a lot of email could still do the various MAPS lookups without significantly increasing the traffic load. But that's not to say that a newer reputation system couldn't be designed and written to meet the same goals and include more info about why a site is on the list. However I think that the main problems with such a reputation system aren't technical, they're legal. At least in the U.S., such a system would be the subject of extreme legal harassment by spammers and their ilk, just as MAPS was. > ------------------- > > BTW, I expect that it should be possible to spam-proof an > open relay, by tinkering very slightly with the protocol > implementation. > > For example: if a server required a 10 second pause between > successive RCPT commands, then a message to a > single recipient would pass without problems, but a spammer > trying to send to many people would be blocked. The benefit to the spammer of sending spam through a relay is that the spammer can multiply his bandwidth-- the spam will include many To: addresses in the envelope, so the relay has to do the work of sending out all the mail, not the spammer's machine. There may be hundreds of To: adresses in the envelope for each mail that the spammer sends to the relay. So this solution wouldn't work- it'll slow the spammer down only a little. You could restrict the number of To: addresses in the envelope, but that might also keep you from sending mail to an "all" alias at a company. > There are *many* other ways to tinker with the protocol > implementations which would let legitimate users send mail > without difficulty, using normal agents, but which would > make the spammers' life far more difficult. I'd like to hear some of them. I've been having a hard time coming up with ways to differentiate spam based on the header info. I've had more luck identifying spam based on the content. Eric From jchoate6 at us.tivoli.com Thu Jun 14 07:41:39 2001 From: jchoate6 at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:41:39 -0500 Subject: 5 year extension on Internet tax ban Message-ID: http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2001/06/14/technology/net_taxes/ James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From jchoate6 at us.tivoli.com Thu Jun 14 08:02:42 2001 From: jchoate6 at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:02:42 -0500 Subject: Beware wolves in agnostic clothing Message-ID: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2775027,00.html James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From dog3 at charc.net Thu Jun 14 07:05:12 2001 From: dog3 at charc.net (cubic-dog) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TIME.com: Nation -- Supreme Court: Relax. The Heat is Off In-Reply-To: <200106140038.UAA06414@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, John Young wrote: > Let me try again after reading Time's Q&A and the responding > attorney claiming that anything inside a home is protected but > nothing outside it is. Well, this is pretty much pure bullshit. The LE folks are hip to using ir imaging to figure out who is running a whole lotta lights inside at night to determine who is doing home cultivation. They use this technique as probable cause to request a (rubber stamped) search warrant. Not the other way around. This type of surveillence is allowed without warrent because it is non-invasive. From bpayne37 at home.com Thu Jun 14 09:13:15 2001 From: bpayne37 at home.com (bill payne) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:13:15 -0600 Subject: Thanks for the help Message-ID: <3B28E29B.950A935C@home.com> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/ http://members.tripod.com/bill_3_2/ http://www.nmol.com/users/billp/ My projects are generally successful. Keep up-wind From gbroiles at well.com Thu Jun 14 11:08:58 2001 From: gbroiles at well.com (Greg Broiles) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:08:58 -0700 Subject: Freedom's just another word for . . . Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010614105717.0351ae70@pop.well.com> I'm assembling a collection of known attacks on anonymity systems, and went to Zero Knowledge's website to look at their materials, and noticed a few changes that might be of interest to people following the anonymity business - They recently released Freedom 2.2. Their product/service offering now seems to be split into two categories - one "standard service" and one "premium service", where the "premium service" apparently uses crypto (and nesting? hard to tell from the marketing stuff) to provide stronger anonymity, while the standard doesn't, sounding more like a cross between the Anonymizer and Norton Internet Security (at a lower price). With the release of 2.2, Linux and Macintosh versions are no longer supported due to lack of demand. Adam Back, Ian Goldberg, and Adam Shostack put together a really helpful paper ("Freedom 2.1 Security Issues and Analysis") describing known difficulties and holes in their system. It's worth reading and thinking about even if you're not using Freedom, because most of the issues are present for ordinary web users, or users of other privacy-protecting systems. ZKS' willingness and ability to release this sort of information about their product and their field indicates that they've still got people of integrity working there, which is really good to see. The paper is beneath the "white papers" link - they've moved to a dynamic page-generating system which makes me reluctant to post a long (and probably short-lived) URL, but it's not hard to find. -- Greg Broiles gbroiles at well.com "Organized crime is the price we pay for organization." -- Raymond Chandler From declan at well.com Thu Jun 14 08:27:13 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:27:13 -0400 Subject: FC: Why we don't use digital cash Message-ID: [Digital cash inventor David Chaum filed for his first patent in this area on June 25, 1982. The suite begins to expire in 2002, with an important patent expiring in 2005. Seems as though we'll have to wait 'til then to see truly anonymous digital cash. For now, we're stuck with PayPal and credit cards. Sigh. --Declan] --- http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,44507,00.html Digging Those Digicash Blues By Declan McCullagh (declan at wired.com) 2:00 a.m. June 14, 2001 PDT BALTIMORE -- For the last six years, Robert Hettinga has been agitating, begging and pleading for the world to listen to his ambitious plans for digital money. Like any savvy techno-evangelist, Hettinga coined a name for his idea -- digital bearer certificates -- and envisions a day when Internet users can withdraw electronic cash by simply typing in an ATM card number and their PIN. To bolster his campaign, Hettinga launched the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, co-founded the Financial Cryptography conference, and has become a fixture on mailing lists devoted to cryptography and security. DCSB has even birthed offspring: On Tuesday, Hettinga came to Baltimore to speak at the inaugural meeting of a new sister chapter. But six years, five Financial Cryptography conferences and thousands of e-mail missives later, Hettinga has been almost entirely unsuccessful in attracting serious interest in his ideas. His two-year-old Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation missed the ready capital of the online boom. It has attracted only $160,000 in funding, and has done about $100,000 of consulting work so far. "Quite frankly, the dot-com money has gone away," says Hettinga, 42. "We're also running over ground that CyberCash, DigiCash and a lot of other people have burned." Incinerated would be closer to the truth. The electronic cash landscape is littered with the looted corpses of companies that tried and failed to compete with credit cards for online purchases. True digital cash that's as anonymous, as privacy-protected and as cheap as the humble greenback seems to be one of those technologies that pundits laud and technologists adore, but markets stubbornly fail to adopt. [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Thu Jun 14 12:30:34 2001 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A Funeral Dirge for Ecash Message-ID: <200106141930.f5EJUZF20413@artifact.psychedelic.net> Nice little piece on Digital Cash by Declan on Wired. http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,44507,00.html Then Declan tries to explain blind signatures. > Chaum's method preserved anonymity through a statistical technique. It > can be thought of this way: A customer of a virtual bank would create a > $1 coin by sending, say, 100 coins with random serial numbers first > stuffed into electronic envelopes. > The bank randomly would open 99 of the 100 envelopes to verify that the > denominations were in fact $1 and the customer wasn't trying to commit > fraud. After the bank owner was satisfied that the last remaining > envelope was likely to be a $1 denomination too, the bank would sign the > envelope -- marking it as digital cash -- and return it unopened." Blinding permits someone to present an encrypted document to someone else for signing. The original owner of the document can calculate the digital signature that would have been created had the plaintext document been signed, from the digital signature on the encrypted document. This allows people to sign things without knowing their content, and prevents the signer from later associating a document with the person who asked that it be signed. In digital cash systems, it permits banknotes to be signed, without the bank seeing the serial numbers on them, so that the bank cannot later recognize them when they are deposited. This is what makes the system anonymous, and prevents anyone from telling who paid for what. What I find somewhat odd, is the protocol suggested here for the bank making sure with a high degree of reliability, that it knows the denomination of an encrypted banknote it is signing. If I follow Declan's argument, should I wish the bank to sign a note for $1, I send the bank 100 such notes each encrypted with a different key. The bank then requests the decryption key for 99 of them, and after verifying that they are in fact $1 notes, has only a 1/100 chance that I've slipped a $1,000,000 note into the pile and they've missed it. So in the DeclanCash system, every 100th dishonest transaction can rip the bank off for $999,999, an average loss for the bank of approximately $10k per dishonest transaction attempted. It would seem far better for the bank to simply sign different denominations with different keys. The bank then need not worry at all about the content of what is signed. if a user pays the bank $100 to sign something that is not in correct banknote format, then the user is out $100 and has the bank's $100 signature attached to something he can't spend. In any case, I can't recall any digital cash systems which tell the bank the amount of the note being signed, by sending lots of notes, and letting the bank look at all but one. So I was wondering if Chaum's patent actually used this metaphor, or if Declan picked up the idea from somewhere else. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. 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Seems as though we'll have to wait > 'til then to see truly anonymous digital cash. For now, we're stuck > with PayPal and credit cards. Sigh. --Declan] > You think so? Chaum's proposals always seemed a little weird to me, I'd be amazed if there wasn't a perfectly good way to implement dc without stepping on his patents. If you look at the process of obtaining digital cash abstractly, I give you a bag of money, you give me a bag of tokens I can use to spend in shops, it seems to me that there are in principle two general sorts of ways that I can maintain my anonymity. 1) Make it so somehow you don't recognize the tokens when they get back to you. This is the Chaumian approach, which seems very counterintuitive to me. I believe his aproach was motivated by a desire to ensure that there are circumstances by which you could lose your anonymity, for example if you attempt to double-spend 2) Just make it so you don't see my face when I get the bag of tokens. 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Victims will also get # more time to file a lawsuit. # # The measure is expected to be approved next week. # # The original law was enacted in 1977 to prevent serial killer # David Berkowitz, a.k.a. Son of Sam, from profiting by his # notoriety. ---- Look what snuck into this bill: # The bill would expand the databank of DNA samples the state takes # from people convicted of violent crimes to include people # convicted of all crimes, including misdemeanors. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/13/nyregion/13PERJ.html # # June 13, 2001 # # Governor to Seek Harsher Penalties for Perjurers in Criminal # Cases # # By RICHARD P�REZ-PE�A # # LBANY, June 12 - Responding to notorious cases of innocent people # being convicted of crimes on the basis of false testimony, Gov. # George E. Pataki plans to propose tougher penalties for perjury # in criminal cases, aides to the governor said today. # # Mr. Pataki will call for the creation of a crime of aggravated # perjury, applicable only to testimony in criminal cases, and # punishable by up to 15 years in prison, the aides said. Current # law makes no distinction between perjury in criminal and civil # cases, and it carries a maximum penalty of seven years. # # Under the governor's proposal, there would be no statute of # limitations for aggravated perjury, so that people could be # prosecuted no matter how many years later their lies came to # light. For perjury, the statute of limitations is five years. # # Officials in the governor's office said the proposal, which he # will make public on Wednesday, was prompted by several highly # publicized cases in the last few years of people claiming to # have witnessed crimes sending innocent defendants to prison. # # One man, Dana Garner, has admitted to lying on the witness stand # in three Brooklyn cases, sending two men to prison for murder # and one for kidnapping; in one case he claimed to have seen a # killing take place in Brooklyn at a time when he was in North # Carolina. Two of the three have been freed. # # "The impetus behind the governor's proposal is the recognition # that perjury in criminal trials is an extraordinarily serious # crime that can have enduring effects," said James McGuire, counsel # to Mr. Pataki. "When there is proof of perjury, the integrity # of the criminal justice system demands that prosecutions should # be brought in appropriate cases." # # But defense lawyers who were involved in those cases said the # governor's proposal would make it harder to exonerate inmates # convicted on false testimony, not easier. # # "This would discourage people from coming forward and admitting # to perjury," said Michelle Fox, a Legal Aid Society lawyer who # helped clear Jeffrey Blake, one of the men convicted of murder # on Mr. Garner's testimony. "In the Blake case, I actually sent # a copy of the statute of limitations to Dana Garner to show him # that he couldn't be punished for coming forward, which he was # very afraid of." # # Mr. McGuire called that "a speculative and ill-founded objection," # in part because district attorneys can offer witnesses immunity # from prosecution if they come forward to change their testimony. # "I don't think that there's any real likelihood that any of those # people who are recanting are acting with a knowledge of whether # there's a statute of limitations or not," he said. "They're # motivated by conscience." # # Charles J. Hynes, the Brooklyn district attorney, said through # a spokesman, Kevin Davitt, that he supports the governor's plan. # Mr. Davitt said that in several instances, when convictions were # overturned years later, "We would have liked to prosecute those # witnesses for perjury, but we couldn't." # # The defense lawyer Ronald Kuby said he, like Ms. Fox, opposed # the idea, adding, "What we need is a statewide second-look unit # that would review cases where there's a question about guilt." # # Mr. Kuby recently secured the freedom of two men who were # convicted of murder based on the perjured testimony of a crack # addict seeking a reward. # # The governor's proposal would also apply to people who falsely # testify to protect defendants - witnesses who provide phony # alibis, for instance. Many lawyers say that is a far more common # practice than lying to convict someone. # # Mr. McGuire said removing the statute of limitations could give # prosecutors a second chance at some defendants. If, years after # an acquittal, new evidence of guilt is found, a prosecutor might # be able to use that evidence to build a perjury case. # # The governor, a Republican, will add the perjury provisions to # a bill he has already submitted to the Legislature that focuses # on uses of DNA evidence in court, a bill that has been stalled # in the Democrat-controlled Assembly. # # The bill would expand the databank of DNA samples the state takes # from people convicted of violent crimes to include people # convicted of all crimes, including misdemeanors. It would also # eliminate the statute of limitations for some violent crimes, # including rape. And it would create a state committee to determine # how DNA evidence can be used, systematically, to prevent and # reverse false convictions. From gbroiles at well.com Thu Jun 14 14:41:40 2001 From: gbroiles at well.com (Greg Broiles) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:41:40 -0700 Subject: Xerox Sux In-Reply-To: References: <200106142101.RAA03892@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010614143437.0308b3e0@mail.wwc.com> At 03:38 PM 6/14/2001 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote: >It does not surprise me in the least. > >Xerox is an incredibly political and bizantine company. (When I worked >there as a contractor I saw a number of cool projects get pulled apart due >to political manuevers and turf battles.) > >I sometimes wonder how they have lasted this long... They've also spent a lot of money, through PARC and now (along with Microsoft and Adobe, those staunch defenders of freedom) "ContentGuard", on "digital rights management", which is just a nice name for the part of a copy protection system which decides whether or not the user gets to do what they're trying to do. So it's not surprising that it's not a friendly place to work if you're a plaintiff in a lawsuit seeking to eviscerate the legal protection that the copy protection industry has gained for their technically infeasible product line. Doesn't he realize that it's very important that nobody criticize the RIAA/MPAA's new clothes? -- Greg Broiles gbroiles at well.com "Organized crime is the price we pay for organization." -- Raymond Chandler From declan at well.com Thu Jun 14 11:52:01 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:52:01 -0400 Subject: Why we still don't use digital cash Message-ID: <20010614145201.B3547@cluebot.com> ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- From bpayne37 at home.com Thu Jun 14 14:19:37 2001 From: bpayne37 at home.com (bill payne) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:19:37 -0600 Subject: message for william haas Message-ID: <3B292A68.659FFE8A@home.com> Please forward to william haas of new mexico state risk management. Thusday 6/14/01 12:12 PM Christina E. Anaya 500 Marquette Ave. N.W., Suite 600 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87102 Ms Anaya: We respond to your June 11, 2001 letter. You write RE: Morales and Payne v. Theodore C. Baca. et al., Civil No. 01-634 JP/DJS Harassment is not a federal question. Your law firm has issued a fraudulent document to federal court stating that harassment is a federal question. New Mexico state court realizes this and issued Clerk's certificate on June 12, 2001. Your law firm harasses us. You write Pursuant to D.N.M.LR-Civ. 7.4(a), the purpose of this letter is to determine whether you will concur with or oppose the motions I intend to file on Monday, June 18, 2001. The first motion will seek the dismissal of all your claims against Judge Baca on the basis of absolute judicial immunity. The second motion will seek a stay of discovery pending the Court’s ruling on Judge Baca’s motion to dismiss. Please let me know your position, in writing, on or before Friday, June 15, 2001. Our position is that your firm harasses us. Harassment is not a federal question. We ask that you forward a copy of this letter to William Haas RMD Claim No.: 0101299-000 Date of Loss: 10-20-00 in hope that we can reach a monteary settlement of your acts of harassment with your law firm's insurance carrier before we are forced to file a fourth lawsuit for harassment in New Mexico state court. Sincerely, Arthur R. Morales 1024 Los Arboles NW Albuquerque, NM 87107 William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Karen Molzen http://www.nmcourt.fed.us/dcdocs/judges/molzen.html Thank you SO MUCH for the legal advice if going to state court you gave me by phone in pullman, washington. It looks like it is working for Morales and me. It doesn't look good for Svet and Vazquez. To bad about Vazquez. http://www.nmcourt.fed.us/dcdocs/judges/vazquez.html She should have known better than to sign what the feds gave her. Morales points out that Vazquez is not exactly flipping burgers for a living. Best http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/ http://members.tripod.com/bill_3_2/ http://www.nmol.com/users/billp/ and, of course, keep up-wind http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/buehlerpayne.html Let's hope for settlement soon. THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO Arthur R Morales William H Payne Plaintiffs v civ 01 0634 wfd Theodore C. Baca Norman C. Bay Phyllis A. Dow Raymond Hamilton Rodey, Dickason, Sloan , Akin & Robb PA Martha Vazquez MOTION FOR SANCTIONS FOR FILING ORDER WAIVING PACKET SUBMISSION REQUIREMENT TO FACILITATE ELECTRONIC FILING 1 Defendant lawyer Robert St. John writes Counsel for Defendant Rodey, Dickason, Sloan, Akin & Robb, P.A., has expressed an intention to participate in electronic filing of pleadings and documents in this case. and signs SUBMITTED BY: RODEY, DIKASON, SLOAN, AKIN & ROBB,P.A. By Robert M. St. John Larry Montano Attorneys for Defendant Rodey, Dickason, Sloan, Akin & Robb, P.A. P.O. Box 1888 Albuquerque, NM 87103 Telephone: (505) 768-7337 Facsimile: (505) 768-7395 Exhibit A. St. John is a defendant in this case. St. John has not filed ENTRY OF APPEARANCE in this lawsuit. St. John's filing ORDER is more than frivolous. It is a malicious intentional attempt to set the stage for possible digital document alteration. 2 Lawyer St John writes 3. In addition to serving on all parties, the parties shall file directly with the Court, any motions, briefs in support, responsive briefs, reply briefs and exhibits relating to them whether filed electronically on the ACE serve or in paper form. with "shall file directly with the Court" high-lighted in bold text. Paragraph 3 appears to be frivolous in that St. John appears to want something from plaintiffs by bold high-lighting which St. John does not explicitly state. Plaintiff's have always filed directly with the court. Paragraph 3 is frivolous. 3 Lawyer St John writes 5. Upon completion of the briefing process, the movant shall file with the Court and serve on all parties a “Notice of Completion” specifically identifying the pertinent motion ready for decision and any briefs or other documents which have been filed relating to that motion. St. John apparently writes this because of previous motion of plaintiff Payne for filing MOTION FOR SANCTIONS FOR FILING "NOTICE OF BRIEFING COMPLETION." St. John attempts to overrule Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. St. John's paragraph 5 is frivolous. 4 Lawyer St John has the gall to have defendant magistrate Don F Svet sign IT IS SO ORDERED. Dated: June ____,2001. UNITED STATES JUDGE Svet does not date filing. 5 St. John and the Rodey law firm by submitting ORDER WAIVING PACKET SUBMISSION REQUIREMENT TO FACILITATE ELECTRONIC FILING have established pattern and practice of malicious intent to subvert the federal judicial process by the frivolous ORDER. Moreover, harassment is NOT a federal question as recognized by New Mexico state court. Exhibit B. 6 Rule 11. Signing of Pleadings, Motions, and Other Papers; Representations to Court; Sanctions Federal Rules of Civil Procedure states (b) Representations to Court. By presenting to the court (whether by signing, filing, submitting, or later advocating) a pleading, written motion, or other paper, an attorney or unrepresented party is certifying that to the best of the person's knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances,-- (1) it is not being presented for any improper purpose, such as to harass or to cause unnecessary delay or needless increase in the cost of litigation; (2) the claims, defenses, and other legal contentions therein are warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for the extension, modification, or reversal of existing law or the establishment of new law; (3) the allegations and other factual contentions have evidentiary support or, if specifically so identified, are likely to have evidentiary support after a reasonable opportunity for further investigation or discovery; and (4) the denials of factual contentions are warranted on the evidence or, if specifically so identified, are reasonably based on a lack of information or belief. 7 Rule 11 goes on to state (c) Sanctions. If, after notice and a reasonable opportunity to respond, the court determines that subdivision (b) has been violated, the court may, subject to the conditions stated below, impose an appropriate sanction upon the attorneys, law firms, or parties that have violated subdivision (b) or are responsible for the violation. (1) How Initiated. (A) By Motion. A motion for sanctions under this rule shall be made separately from other motions or requests and shall describe the specific conduct alleged to violate subdivision (b). It shall be served as provided in Rule 5 , but shall not be filed with or presented to the court unless, within 21 days after service of the motion (or such other period as the court may prescribe), the challenged paper, claim, defense, contention, allegation, or denial is not withdrawn or appropriately corrected. If warranted, the court may award to the party prevailing on the motion the reasonable expenses and attorney's fees incurred in presenting or opposing the motion. Absent exceptional circumstances, a law firm shall be held jointly responsible for violations committed by its partners, associates, and employees. (B) On Court's Initiative. On its own initiative, the court may enter an order describing the specific conduct that appears to violate subdivision (b) and directing an attorney, law firm, or party to show cause why it has not violated subdivision (b) with respect thereto. (2) Nature of Sanction; Limitations. A sanction imposed for violation of this rule shall be limited to what is sufficient to deter repetition of such conduct or comparable conduct by others similarly situated. Subject to the limitations in subparagraphs (A) and (B), the sanction may consist of, or include, directives of a nonmonetary nature, an order to pay a penalty into court, or, if imposed on motion and warranted for effective deterrence, an order directing payment to the movant of some or all of the reasonable attorneys' fees and other expenses incurred as a direct result of the violation. (A) Monetary sanctions may not be awarded against a represented party for a violation of subdivision (b)(2). (B) Monetary sanctions may not be awarded on the court's initiative unless the court issues its order to show cause before a voluntary dismissal or settlement of the claims made by or against the party which is, or whose attorneys are, to be sanctioned. (3) Order. When imposing sanctions, the court shall describe the conduct determined to constitute a violation of this rule and explain the basis for the sanction imposed. 8 The best way to insure that this malicious and intentional judicial conduct does not occur again is for this court to levy a substantial monetary penalty again the law firm of Rodey, Dickason, Sloan , Akin & Robb PA for violation of Rule 11 by the filing. And, of course, for continue harassment of plaintiffs by this state issue continue to be heard by THIS COURT. 9 WHEREFORE sanction Rodey, Dickason, Sloan , Akin & Robb PA $3,000,000 for having filed ORDER WAIVING PACKET SUBMISSION REQUIREMENT TO FACILITATE ELECTRONIC FILING. Respectfully submitted, Arthur R. Morales 1024 Los Arboles NW Albuquerque, NM 87107 William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 I HEREBY CERTIFY that a true copy of the foregoing pleading was mailed to Stephen G French 500 Marquette Ave NW, Suite 600 Albuquerque, NM 87102 505 843 7075 John W Zavitz Assistant US Attorney PO Box 607 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87103 this June 14, 2001 _____ THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO Arthur R Morales William H Payne Plaintiffs v civ 01 0634 wfd Theodore C. Baca Norman C. Bay Phyllis A. Dow Raymond Hamilton Rodey, Dickason, Sloan , Akin & Robb PA Martha Vazquez MOTION TO STRIKE ORDER WAIVING PACKET SUBMISSION REQUIREMENT TO FACILITATE ELECTRONIC FILING 1 ORDER WAIVING PACKET SUBMISSION REQUIREMENT TO FACILITATE ELECTRONIC FILING was written by defendant Robert St. John employed by defendant Rodey, Dickason, Sloan , Akin & Robb PA. Exhibit A, page contains lawyer St. John's signature. St. John is a defendant in this lawsuit. St. John has not filed ENTRY OF APPEARANCE in this lawsuit. St. John's filing ORDER is more than frivolous. It is a malicious intentional attempt to set the stage for possible digital document alteration. 2 ORDER was signed by federal magistrate judge Don F Svet. Svet is defendant in New Mexico state lawsuit cv - 2000 10289 and federal harassing lawsuit 00-1574 mv/wwd. New Mexico state lawsuit is still active jury trial matter. Svet's signature is judicial misconduct because he is involved as defendant in plaintiffs' federal and state lawsuits. 3 ORDER is docket entry 10 filed 06/08/01. Exhibit B. Case is reassigned from judge Bruce Black to chief judge James A Parker on June 7, 2001, docket entry 4 filed 06/07/01. Exhibit B. Svet was presumably removed along with Black on June 7, the day before he signed ORDER on June 8. 4 Magistrate judge Don F. Svet has established, along with some in federal court's clerk office, a pattern and practice of court document fraud as seen in attach, Exhibit C, MOTION AND MEMORANDUM OF SUPPORT TO CORRECT DOCKET: (3) FRAUD (WHETHER HERETOFORE DENOMINATED INTRINSIC OR EXTRINSIC), MISREPRESENTATION, OR OTHER MISCONDUCT OF AN ADVERSE PARTY; with electronic filings. The gross and incompetent publication of two digital file stamp documents with the same digital file stamp but one dated December 06, 200 10:19 and the other dated December 04, 2000 10:39 show that digital file stamping can and has been defeated. Electronic filing in courts cannot work for the reason that digital documents are too easy to fake, as seen in Exhibit C. 5 The cases involving Morales and Payne are largely a result of the US government misconduct involving hardware and software "spiking" of computers. Some references on Internet are http://orlingrabbe.com/speccoll.htm http://jya.com/nsasuit.txt http://www.caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/buehlerpayne.html The US government has the financial resources to fund such modification of computer hardware and software. And has established an unfortunate track record of having spiked computers and gotten caught. 6 WHEREFORE ORDER WAIVING PACKET SUBMISSION REQUIREMENT TO FACILITATE ELECTRONIC FILING must be stricken from the docket as an improperly filed document by two defendants. In addition, electronic filing cannot be made to work because it is too easy for an organization with financial resources to fake. The US federal government has both the financial resources and demonstrated history of 'spiking' computer hardware and software. 7 Harassment is not a federal question. New Mexico state court employees are no longer fooled by fraudulent removal of the Morales and Payne cases to federal court. New Mexico second judicial chief judge W John Brennan along with clerk Bennina Armijo-Sisneros have forwarded harassment complaint to chief justice Patricio M. Serna to appoint a judge to preside over a state jury trial plaintiffs Morals and Payne have paid for. And is guaranteed under the constitution of the State of New Mexico. Exhibit D. The act of Morales and Payne having to file this document is therefore another act of harassment using the US federal court system. Discontinue harassment. Remand to state court this and other two state lawsuits for harassment and replevin and harassment and defamation. Respectfully submitted, Arthur R. Morales 1024 Los Arboles NW Albuquerque, NM 87107 William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 I HEREBY CERTIFY that a true copy of the foregoing pleading was mailed to Stephen G French 500 Marquette Ave NW, Suite 600 Albuquerque, NM 87102 505 843 7075 John W Zavitz Assistant US Attorney PO Box 607 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87103 this June 14, 2001 _____ We filed these this afternoon. From declan at well.com Thu Jun 14 12:28:30 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:28:30 -0400 Subject: TIME.com: Nation -- Supreme Court: Relax. The Heat is Off In-Reply-To: ; from dog3@charc.net on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:05:12AM -0400 References: <200106140038.UAA06414@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <20010614152830.C4202@cluebot.com> This note below by "cubic-dog" is nonsense. The Suprmee Court explicitly ruled this week that "this type of surveillance" is *not* permitted without a warrant because it is invasive. -Declan On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:05:12AM -0400, cubic-dog wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, John Young wrote: > > > Let me try again after reading Time's Q&A and the responding > > attorney claiming that anything inside a home is protected but > > nothing outside it is. > > Well, this is pretty much pure bullshit. > > The LE folks are hip to using ir imaging to figure > out who is running a whole lotta lights inside at > night to determine who is doing home cultivation. > > They use this technique as probable cause to request > a (rubber stamped) search warrant. Not the other way > around. > > This type of surveillence is allowed without warrent > because it is non-invasive. From declan at well.com Thu Jun 14 12:33:03 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:33:03 -0400 Subject: Declan misses the mark on ecash In-Reply-To: <20010614190021.32578.qmail@nym.alias.net>; from mix@anon.lcs.mit.edu on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:00:21PM -0000 References: <20010614190021.32578.qmail@nym.alias.net> Message-ID: <20010614153303.D4202@cluebot.com> On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:00:21PM -0000, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: > It is a botched attempt to describe the "cut and choose" mechanism. Right, it was an attempt to describe "cut and choose" in three sentences or so. It's a news article, not a technical paper. Deal. > The article also contains a recap of the Chaum/Brands patent wars. > It would have been more interesting if there were some reference > to new approaches to ecash that avoid the patents, such as the > Lucre software by Ben Laurie, based on David Wagner's blinding > (http://anoncvs.aldigital.co.uk/lucre/ The point of that section of the article was to talk about available patents. Wagner's scheme appears to reply on Chaum's (original) patents, so it wasn't relevant. -Declan From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Thu Jun 14 12:36:06 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:36:06 -0400 Subject: Fixing ORBS, and spam-proofing open relays. Message-ID: Eric Murray [mailto:ericm at lne.com] wrote: >On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 10:28:55AM -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: >> Instead of bitching about ORBS (which certainly >> behaves sub-optimally), I'd like to suggest that we >> discuss how a 'better' spam blocklist could be >> operated. >> [..] >> I'd like to suggest that if ORBS gave a little more >> information about *why* a given site was listed, >> and sites where thus able to implement their own >> policies over what parts of the list to use, >> then that would be a far more equitable situation. > >ORBS couldn't do this with any granularity >because of the way it was implemented- you did >a DNS lookup on the IP address to see if it was in the >ORBS database. There was no meta-info available. That may be so, but I would have thought that ORBS could have usurped one of the many types of queries which DNS permits to package it's reputation data. [...] >> ------------------- >> >> BTW, I expect that it should be possible to spam-proof an >> open relay, by tinkering very slightly with the protocol >> implementation. >> >> For example: if a server required a 10 second pause between >> successive RCPT commands, then a message to a >> single recipient would pass without problems, but a spammer >> trying to send to many people would be blocked. > >The benefit to the spammer of sending spam through a relay is >that the spammer can multiply his bandwidth-- the spam will >include many To: addresses in the envelope, so the relay has >to do the work of sending out all the mail, not the spammer's >machine. There may be hundreds of To: adresses in the envelope >for each mail that the spammer sends to the relay. >So this solution wouldn't work- it'll slow the spammer >down only a little. You could restrict the number of > To: addresses in the envelope, but that might also keep >you from sending mail to an "all" alias at a company. I think you misunderstand SMTP (If not, please correct me. :-) If you look at RFC 821, section 3.1, you'll find that the RCPT TO: command takes only a single address; multiple addressees are handled by sending multiple RCPT TO: lines, and waiting for a 250 OK or a 550 Failure response after each one. My suggestion is that, on a given connection, an open relay server wait 10 seconds after before issuing a 250 OK response. This is too short to time out a client, but slows the process down greatly for messages with multiple recipients. Yes, you couldn't spam your entire company's internal mail from an open server in this manner, but you usually would do this by sending to a single address which runs a mail exploder within the company. Nor does it protect against spammers sending messages to hundreds via mailing lists such as cypherpunks. However, it would permit open relays to exist without them adding significantly to the spam problem, which is the problem I am trying to solve. In my initial letter, I suggested delaying response only after the second RCPT message, but on second thought, I think delaying after the first one is ok. For single messages, you would not be bothered by a 10 second delay. and it prevents the spammer from opening hundreds to connections at once to get around the restriction. >> There are *many* other ways to tinker with the protocol >> implementations which would let legitimate users send mail >> without difficulty, using normal agents, but which would >> make the spammers' life far more difficult. > >I'd like to hear some of them. I've been having a hard time >coming up with ways to differentiate spam based on the header >info. I've had more luck identifying spam based on the content. I'll admit that was an off-the-cuff remark, and I'd have to think hard to find other ways. OTOH, I'm sure there are many. I'm not trying to identify spam per se; I'm trying to make the relay unattractive to spammers, while minimally impacting everyone else. I'm working at the SMTP protocol level, not envelope, headers, or content. I'm impacting behaviour, not content or header info. >Eric Peter Trei From alan at clueserver.org Thu Jun 14 15:38:15 2001 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan Olsen) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Xerox Sux In-Reply-To: <200106142101.RAA03892@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: It does not surprise me in the least. Xerox is an incredibly political and bizantine company. (When I worked there as a contractor I saw a number of cool projects get pulled apart due to political manuevers and turf battles.) I sometimes wonder how they have lasted this long... On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, John Young wrote: > A Wall Street Journal article today on the SDMI/DCMA lawsuit > by Ed Felten, et al, includes this nasty: > > "The decision to file the lawsuit hasn't been without consequences. > Dr. Drew Dean is scheduled to resign from the Xerox research > center tomorrow and says, without elaborating, that the resignation > is 'related' to the DMCA lawsuit. A Xerox spokesman says that > the legal challenge is 'not something the corporation wished to > be involved in' but declined to comment further." > > Drew, like Dan Wallach, was a grad student of Felten's and the > Xerox job was his first, I believe. > > Will Princeton boot Felten, will Rice boot Wallach? Depends on > the courage of the trustees to resist their buddies' pressure, > as half-dead Xerox could not. > > All hail the principled scientists, buck up trustees. > > alan at ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "All power is derived from the barrel of a gnu." - Mao Tse Stallman From reeza at flex.com Thu Jun 14 18:49:37 2001 From: reeza at flex.com (Reese) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:49:37 -1000 Subject: TIME.com: Nation -- Supreme Court: Relax. The Heat is Off In-Reply-To: References: <992556197.3b2934a52c592@public.webmail.cotse.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010614154635.0308d240@flex.com> At 03:09 PM 6/14/01, Jim Choate wrote: >And don't forget the dog catcher doesn't need a warrant to come on your >property either. I'll keep that in mind, next time I'm tempted to keep my personal papers and other sensitive items in my back yard. Reese From mauro.guarnieri at idssnc.it Thu Jun 14 08:39:28 2001 From: mauro.guarnieri at idssnc.it (Mauro Guarnieri - IDS snc) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:39:28 +0100 Subject: prova con cypherpunks@toad.com Message-ID: <000201c0f4e8$337ca290$ce0000c8@ids.local> :: Request-Remailing-To: idssnd at tin.it Questa è una prova... From dog3 at charc.net Thu Jun 14 13:48:42 2001 From: dog3 at charc.net (cubic-dog) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TIME.com: Nation -- Supreme Court: Relax. The Heat is Off In-Reply-To: <20010614152830.C4202@cluebot.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > This note below by "cubic-dog" is nonsense. > > The Suprmee Court explicitly ruled this week that "this type of > surveillance" is *not* permitted without a warrant because it is invasive. > > -Declan Wow Declan, Shame on me for not checking my facts. I'm rather amazed. This is pretty contrary to the standard behavior of these folk, but the vote was close and the dissent strongly worded. Thanks for keeping me honest. That said, in reality, I don't expect this to make much difference. The cops have this technology, they will use this technology. From jya at pipeline.com Thu Jun 14 17:00:40 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:00:40 -0700 Subject: Xerox Sux Message-ID: <200106142101.RAA03892@blount.mail.mindspring.net> A Wall Street Journal article today on the SDMI/DCMA lawsuit by Ed Felten, et al, includes this nasty: "The decision to file the lawsuit hasn't been without consequences. Dr. Drew Dean is scheduled to resign from the Xerox research center tomorrow and says, without elaborating, that the resignation is 'related' to the DMCA lawsuit. A Xerox spokesman says that the legal challenge is 'not something the corporation wished to be involved in' but declined to comment further." Drew, like Dan Wallach, was a grad student of Felten's and the Xerox job was his first, I believe. Will Princeton boot Felten, will Rice boot Wallach? Depends on the courage of the trustees to resist their buddies' pressure, as half-dead Xerox could not. All hail the principled scientists, buck up trustees. From ravage at ssz.com Thu Jun 14 15:02:15 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:02:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: TIME.com: Nation -- Supreme Court: Relax. The Heat is Off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, cubic-dog wrote: > This type of surveillence is allowed without warrent > because it is non-invasive. How can any sort of search be 'non-invasive'? Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From pzakas at toucancapital.com Thu Jun 14 14:49:35 2001 From: pzakas at toucancapital.com (Phillip H. Zakas) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:49:35 -0400 Subject: Xerox Sux In-Reply-To: <200106142101.RAA03892@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: is a legal defense fund in place for felten/dean/wallach? if so, anyone have the contact info for it? phillip > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cypherpunks at Algebra.COM > [mailto:owner-cypherpunks at Algebra.COM]On Behalf Of John Young > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:01 PM > To: cypherpunks at lne.com > Subject: Xerox Sux > > > > A Wall Street Journal article today on the SDMI/DCMA lawsuit > by Ed Felten, et al, includes this nasty: > > "The decision to file the lawsuit hasn't been without consequences. > Dr. Drew Dean is scheduled to resign from the Xerox research > center tomorrow and says, without elaborating, that the resignation > is 'related' to the DMCA lawsuit. A Xerox spokesman says that > the legal challenge is 'not something the corporation wished to > be involved in' but declined to comment further." > > Drew, like Dan Wallach, was a grad student of Felten's and the > Xerox job was his first, I believe. > > Will Princeton boot Felten, will Rice boot Wallach? Depends on > the courage of the trustees to resist their buddies' pressure, > as half-dead Xerox could not. > > All hail the principled scientists, buck up trustees. From a3495 at cotse.com Thu Jun 14 15:03:17 2001 From: a3495 at cotse.com (Faustine) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TIME.com: Nation -- Supreme Court: Relax. The Heat is Off Message-ID: <992556197.3b2934a52c592@public.webmail.cotse.com> > In any event, if a method is used to acquire signal *within* > a home, would that acquisition be forbidden by the thermal > decision? That is, if a signal is sent into a home to acquire > an interior signal, is that a violation? >This may seem to be similar to a bug planted just outside the >face of an exterior wall of a home, or reading the vibrations of >window glass, but I'm trying to imagine an alternative technology >to these, perhaps one that remains classified. >BTW, there has been speculation that NONSTOP and/or HIJACK >are codewords for acoustic vulnerabilities of the sort I'm >fumbling with. Interesting: especially in light of the fact that the Supreme Court has held that monitoring (with a pen register) the telephone numbers that an individual calls from his home is *not* a search, in that it constitutes information already being monitored by the telephone company. I suppose this same logic would hold true for what's already being monitored by the electric company, or, say, what your ISP is already monitoring. So perhaps the "solution" to getting around warrants would lie less in superadvanced MASINT than in giving the private sector incentives for doing more monitoring themselves--while quietly developing your own set of tools to take advantage of it. A sobering thought. ~Faustine. From jya at pipeline.com Thu Jun 14 18:10:28 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:10:28 -0700 Subject: Xerox Sux In-Reply-To: References: <200106142101.RAA03892@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <200106142211.SAA27658@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Philip Zakas wrote: >is a legal defense fund in place for felten/dean/wallach? if so, anyone >have the contact info for it? EFF is funding the suit and welcomes contributions: www.eff.org Drew Dean should get separate headlines on the Xerox axing. If shit comes down on the other plaintiffs from their piggy institutional employers that should light a fire under Congress. Rice is loaded, not up there with the Princeton and Ivys but sitting on tons of endowment. My alma mater, and it will inherit billions from the Young's dry holes awaiting horizontal exploitation. From declan at well.com Thu Jun 14 15:52:54 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:52:54 -0400 Subject: Declan misses the mark on ecash In-Reply-To: <20010614220004.25293.qmail@nym.alias.net>; from mix@anon.lcs.mit.edu on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:00:04PM -0000 References: <20010614220004.25293.qmail@nym.alias.net> Message-ID: <20010614185254.A9681@cluebot.com> Yeah, "appears to be unpatented." Right. Whatever. You can take that anonymous claim to the bank. -Declan On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:00:04PM -0000, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: > Again, you misled the public by implying that all potential approaches to > ecash were patented. In fact, Wagner's blinding does not rely on Chaum's > original blinding patent and in fact is designed to avoid ALL patents. > It appears to be an unpatented method for doing ecash. (Caveat, of > course anyone trying to judge whether a particular technology is truly > unpatented should consult a lawyer.) From mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu Thu Jun 14 12:00:21 2001 From: mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu (lcs Mixmaster Remailer) Date: 14 Jun 2001 19:00:21 -0000 Subject: Declan misses the mark on ecash Message-ID: <20010614190021.32578.qmail@nym.alias.net> Declan McCullagh reports in Wired Online, http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,44507,00.html: The more important patent for digital cash, titled "Blind signature systems," was granted in July 1988 and expires in July 2005. Chaum's method preserved anonymity through a statistical technique. It can be thought of this way: A customer of a virtual bank would create a $1 coin by sending, say, 100 coins with random serial numbers first stuffed into electronic envelopes. The bank randomly would open 99 of the 100 envelopes to verify that the denominations were in fact $1 and the customer wasn't trying to commit fraud. After the bank owner was satisfied that the last remaining envelope was likely to be a $1 denomination too, the bank would sign the envelope -- marking it as digital cash -- and return it unopened. Of course this is a completely incorrect description of Chaum's cash system as it has been fielded in DigiCash and eCashTechnologies. It is a botched attempt to describe the "cut and choose" mechanism. But that was only designed for an offline cash system. The purpose of cut and choose was to check that the customer had properly encoded *his identity* in the cash, not that the denomination was correct as is described here. The reason the customer encoded his identity was that if he then double-spent, the bank could determine after the fact which customer had done it because double-spending would reveal his identity. But of course DigiCash was always implemented as an online system, where double-spending is not possible, since coins are always verified at the time they are spent. It never used a cut and choose mechanism for withdrawals, which would have been painfully inefficient. Instead, the customer simply sent one "enveloped" version of a random serial number to the bank. The bank signed the envelope, and the type of signature determined the denomination of the coin. The customer then took the serial number out of the envelope to get his cash. It's far simpler than the description above would suggest. The article also contains a recap of the Chaum/Brands patent wars. It would have been more interesting if there were some reference to new approaches to ecash that avoid the patents, such as the Lucre software by Ben Laurie, based on David Wagner's blinding (http://anoncvs.aldigital.co.uk/lucre/), or the recent proposal at Eurocrypt for a cash/credential system based on zero knowledge proofs without blinding (http://eprint.iacr.org/2001/019.ps or .pdf). From declan at well.com Thu Jun 14 16:01:59 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:01:59 -0400 Subject: A Funeral Dirge for Ecash In-Reply-To: <200106141930.f5EJUZF20413@artifact.psychedelic.net>; from emc@artifact.psychedelic.net on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 12:30:34PM -0700 References: <200106141930.f5EJUZF20413@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: <20010614190159.B9681@cluebot.com> Okay, I am starting to think that my description was not entirely perfect. It was reworked on the phone late last night by a copy editor who didn't understand the original wording (but I'm not trying to assign blame, since she read me her edited version back on the phone and I probably should have objected). I'll spend more time on this section in my next piece. On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 12:30:34PM -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: > > If I follow Declan's argument, should I wish the bank to sign a note for > $1, I send the bank 100 such notes each encrypted with a different key. > > The bank then requests the decryption key for 99 of them, and after > verifying that they are in fact $1 notes, has only a 1/100 chance that > I've slipped a $1,000,000 note into the pile and they've missed it. > > So in the DeclanCash system, every 100th dishonest transaction can rip the > bank off for $999,999, an average loss for the bank of approximately $10k > per dishonest transaction attempted Or the bank could require 999,999 transactions and prosecute for fraud if they're getting hoodwinked. Or, as you say, limit the denomination. -Declan From ravage at ssz.com Thu Jun 14 17:44:13 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:44:13 -0500 Subject: OPT: Slashdot | Bar Association Likely to Oppose UCITA Message-ID: <3B295A5D.E18E5D10@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/14/2128211.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Thu Jun 14 17:46:57 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:46:57 -0500 Subject: The Register - Country domain chiefs prefer jaw-jaw to war-war Message-ID: <3B295B01.6D6EA560@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19712.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From bpayne37 at home.com Thu Jun 14 19:15:42 2001 From: bpayne37 at home.com (bpayne37 at home.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:15:42 -0600 Subject: your email and other links Message-ID: <3B296FCE.49BB0BBC@home.com> Steve http://www.aarons.org/ You're going to have to learn how to get a email link embedded in your web page. Also a GOOD link to pro se fights. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/ http://members.tripod.com/bill_3_2/ http://www.nmol.com/users/billp/ We know these guys who may be able to help. cypherpunks aarons is a one-man show. what can we do to help? From ravage at ssz.com Thu Jun 14 18:19:24 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:19:24 -0500 Subject: Crime Prevention and Community Policing: A Vital Link Message-ID: <3B29629C.481192B3@ssz.com> I am especially endeared to the term 'front line officer'...I wonder why 12 year olds shoot themselves and their friends... http://www.ncpc.org/5pol1dc.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Thu Jun 14 18:22:42 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:22:42 -0500 Subject: Mickey's Crime and Crime Prevention Resources Message-ID: <3B296362.A421C5D1@ssz.com> http://Mickeys-Place-in-the-Sun.com/crime.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Thu Jun 14 18:24:47 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:24:47 -0500 Subject: Invasion of privacy or safety training? Utility workers taught to watch for meth labs Message-ID: <3B2963DF.68845BDD@ssz.com> http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/local/spy17.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From bpayne37 at home.com Thu Jun 14 19:32:10 2001 From: bpayne37 at home.com (bpayne37 at home.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:32:10 -0600 Subject: do the fed legally Message-ID: <3B2973AA.DF0B0829@home.com> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/ if, of coursel the legal method doesn't work we may have some other ideas From bpayne37 at home.com Thu Jun 14 19:32:31 2001 From: bpayne37 at home.com (bpayne37 at home.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:32:31 -0600 Subject: do the fed legally Message-ID: <3B2973BF.DEE177FF@home.com> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/ if, of course, the legal method doesn't work we may have some other ideas From mnorton at cavern.uark.edu Thu Jun 14 19:10:10 2001 From: mnorton at cavern.uark.edu (Mac Norton) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:10:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: OPT: Slashdot | Bar Association Likely to Oppose UCITA In-Reply-To: <3B295A5D.E18E5D10@ssz.com> Message-ID: As they probably should, on balance. UCITA is an example of pavement of good intentions. MacN On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/14/2128211.shtml > -- > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" > > Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From declan at well.com Thu Jun 14 18:47:09 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:47:09 -0400 Subject: FC: Ex-GOP senator's wife pleads to email attack campaign Message-ID: http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=01/06/15/0135212 Ex-GOP Senator's Wife Pleads to Email Attack Campaign posted by Declan (declan at well.com) on Thursday June 14, @08:32PM The wife of a U.S. senator who unsuccessfully ran for re-election in 2000 plead "no contest" on Thursday to charges of using a pseudonym to send email messages that disparaged her husband's Democratic rival. Minnesota prosecutors charged Christine Gunhus, who married former Republican senator Rod Grams after working on his campaign, with violating state criminal laws. Grams' rival, Democratic-Farmer-Labor candidate Mike Ciresi, had filed a complaint under the Minnesota Fair Campaign Practices Act. The risks of using technology you don't completely understand and that could leak your identity are worth noting: * Gunhus is accused of using a Hotmail account (Katie Stevens -- kylomb at hotmail.com) to send the disparaging email messages, which talked about how Ciresi had represented corporate polluters and anti-union companies. But Hotmail includes an X-Originating-IP: header that shows the IP address of the sender -- a problem if you're typing it from the opposing campaign's computer! * Prosecutors say they traced the IP address back to an AT&T WorldNet user who repeatedly used the "Katie Stevens" Hotmail account by connecting from Gunhus' home number. (Guess they keep Caller ID logs.) Apparently the person using the "Katie Stevens" pseudonym was smart at first, sending the mail from a Kinko's store, but then got sloppy. * The email attacks included Microsoft Word attachments, which a Ciresi aide investigated. The aide found that Word listed the document authors as Grams staffers including -- you guessed it -- Christine Gunhus. * Democratic researchers reported that they found Globally Unique Identifiers (GUIDs) in the Word documents. The GUID includes the Ethernet MAC address. Prosecutors last August obtained a search warrant to seize Gunhus' computer, from which they could extract the MAC address if the Ethernet card was still the same. * Let's not forget the political risk. In an article in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune on the pseudonymous mail campaign last year, the Grams campaign offered a remarkably narrow denial. A spokesman hedged: "We didn't put this together and send it out of the Grams campaign office," leaving open the question of whether it was sent by a campaign worker from another location. * And what about the legal risk to free speech? The Minnesota Civil Liberties Union reasonably argues that a criminal law that bans sending pseudonymous messages is unconstitutional. A Supreme Court decision, McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission (http://www.epic.org/free_speech/mcintyre.html), says that a prohibition on the distribution of anonymous campaign literature violates the First Amendment. The state law seems to be ecumenical in its application: A Republican has used it to attack the Sierra Club (http://www.fcregister.com/ziegler11_6_00.htm). Epilogue: Grams managed to derail his Democratic rival's primary bid, and Ciresi did not win his party's nomination. Even though Grams lost the general election in the fall, that hasn't halted his political ambitions. The Washington Times reported on April 13 that Grams is reportedly considering a challenge in 2002 to U.S. Senator Paul Wellstone, a liberal Democrat. _________________________________________________________________ Slate articles from last year on the pseudonymous attacks: http://slate.msn.com/netelection/entries/00-07-21_86798.asp http://slate.msn.com/netelection/entries/00-09-13_89569.asp City Pages article from last year: http://www.citypages.com/databank/21/1032/article8969.asp AP article on the "no contest" plea this week: http://www.infobeat.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/IBFrontEnd.woa/wa/fullStory?article=408342905 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- From declan at well.com Thu Jun 14 18:48:07 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:48:07 -0400 Subject: Ex-GOP senator's wife pleads to email attack campaign Message-ID: <20010614214806.B12530@cluebot.com> ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- From mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu Thu Jun 14 15:00:04 2001 From: mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu (lcs Mixmaster Remailer) Date: 14 Jun 2001 22:00:04 -0000 Subject: Declan misses the mark on ecash Message-ID: <20010614220004.25293.qmail@nym.alias.net> Declan McCullagh writes: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:00:21PM -0000, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: > > It is a botched attempt to describe the "cut and choose" mechanism. > > Right, it was an attempt to describe "cut and choose" in three > sentences or so. It's a news article, not a technical paper. Deal. It's not so bad that you botched cut and choose, it's that you misled readers into thinking that it was a central part of Chaum's ecash protocol. See the later question by Eric Cordian, just one of many readers who were undoubtedly scratching their heads trying to make sense of what you wrote. But hey, if you don't care about accuracy, I guess we can't hold you accountable. Your attitude is that it's just a news article. We can "deal" with that, indeed. The only thing that suffers is your credibility. > > The article also contains a recap of the Chaum/Brands patent wars. > > It would have been more interesting if there were some reference > > to new approaches to ecash that avoid the patents, such as the > > Lucre software by Ben Laurie, based on David Wagner's blinding > > (http://anoncvs.aldigital.co.uk/lucre/ > > The point of that section of the article was to talk about available > patents. Wagner's scheme appears to reply on Chaum's (original) > patents, so it wasn't relevant. Again, you misled the public by implying that all potential approaches to ecash were patented. In fact, Wagner's blinding does not rely on Chaum's original blinding patent and in fact is designed to avoid ALL patents. It appears to be an unpatented method for doing ecash. (Caveat, of course anyone trying to judge whether a particular technology is truly unpatented should consult a lawyer.) This kind of mistake, implying that all feasible approaches to ecash are patented, plays right into the hands of those who want to keep these technologies off the market. Ironically, this article will therefore serve to delay the progress which the author claims to desire. From George at Orwellian.Org Thu Jun 14 20:01:35 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Scot free: Lon Horiuchi Message-ID: <200106150301.XAA28669@www4.aa.psiweb.com> Hold on while I unslime myself from that barrage of Choatian Crap. ---- Boundary Blockhead Brett Benson, a 73% vote winning Republican elected along with the Bush-ster. http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,27300,00.html [snipped] # # Boundary County Prosecutor Brett Benson announced Thursday he # will dismiss the involuntary manslaughter charge filed by his # [Republican] predecessor. He said it was unlikely the state # could prove the case and too much time had passed. I guess it's okay to shoot at the back of someone going through a door of a wooden shack containing women and children. To kill. Timothy McVeigh, among others (i.e. Congressional hearings), did indeed force the U.S. government to reconsider its confrontational ways. Let us remember this BATF/FBI operation once more. The U.S. Department of Justice... ---- Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge. Persisting, a BATF informant persuaded Weaver, a DECORATED GREEN BERET VETERAN of Vietnam with NO CRIMINAL RECORD, to sell him two shotguns, but insisted that Weaver saw the barrels off one-quarter inch short of the legal limit. Monitoring him, they knew Mr. Weaver needed money for his family. Why did the government target Mr. Weaver? Blackmail. One of the FBI's favorite activities is spying on political organizations. They wanted to use him to infiltrate white supremacists groups for the government. Or face prosecution. When Weaver refused, he was indicted on guns charges. He was sent two conflicting court appearance dates. He became paranoid the Government was out to get him, so he didn't show up. [He was eventually acquitted of all charges except the original not showing up in court!] To justify a militaristic retaliation, BATF agents lied to the U.S. attorney's office. BATF agents claimed that Weaver had a criminal record and that he was a suspect in several bank robberies. Both charges were fabrications, even according to BATF Director John Magaw, who admitted the accusations were "inexcusable" in testimony before Congress. THREE HUNDRED armed federal agents conducted a siege of the Weavers' mountain home, first killing Randy Weaver's dog, then his son, then his wife. A law enforcement wilding. * The CATO Institute, "Congressional Testimony", May 24, 1995 * http://www.cato.org * * The Marshals, wearing camouflage and carrying silenced machine guns, did * not identify themselves or their purpose, but they did shoot one of the * dogs. Sammy Weaver, fourteen-years-old, returned fire, and was promptly * shot by a Marshal. * * Sammy turned and fled, with his nearly severed arm flopping as he ran. * * Sammy was promptly shot dead in the back. An FBI sniper, Lon T. Horiuchi, testified he could hit a quarter at 200 yards. * The CATO Institute, "Congressional Testimony", May 24, 1995 * * An FBI psychological profile, prepared before the attack, called Vicki * Weaver the "dominant member" of the family, thus implying that if she * were "neutralized" everyone else might surrender. Horiuchi shot Weaver's wife in the head while she held her baby. Her head exploded. Her dead body was laid out on the cabin floor, covered with a blanket: * The CATO Institute, "Congressional Testimony", May 24, 1995 * * During the next week, "the FBI used megaphones to taunt the family. * 'Good Morning Mrs. Weaver. We had pancakes for breakfast. What did * you have?'" asked the FBI agents in at least one exchange. * * Weaver's daughter, Sarah, 16, said the baby, Elisheba, was often * crying for her mother's milk when the FBI messages were heard. The Justice Department's own report recommended criminal prosecution of federal agents; the surviving Weavers won $3.1 million in civil damages from U.S. taxpayers. Deval Patrick, the Assistant Attorney General for civil rights, and Louis Freeh, Director of the FBI, took no serious action. Larry Potts was the senior official in charge of the operation. Not only was he not prosecuted, Freeh promoted him to acting deputy FBI director. * "Documents Were Destroyed as FBI Resisted Siege Investigation, Report Says" * By David Johnston, July 16, 1995 * * Mr. Pott's former subordinate Michael Kahoe admitted he destroyed key * documents on the Ruby Ridge assault. The Justice department reports * documents were destroyed and missing. "We are troubled by the apparent * lack of a system to preserve such critical records." * * The Justice Department, in a March 18, 1993 memo stated, "the FBI's * intransigence appears to EMANATE from Larry Potts level OR ABOVE." Larry Potts was a buddy of Louis Freeh. Within the FBI, these special people are called "FOL" - Friends of Louie. [NYT 5/11/97] Janet Reno (who had veto power over the promotion) testified what happened at Ruby Ridge wasn't enough to cause her to veto the promotion, foreshadowing her actions at Waco. After two months, controversy (as opposed to events) over Potts' role in Ruby Ridge prompted Freeh to remove him from the position, to politically cover his own tush. Potts and four other top FBI officials have been suspended while a federal criminal probe investigates the destruction of documents related to the incident. A total of twelve agents were disciplined. None have yet been prosecuted. The Federal government subsequently named after a U.S. Marshal who was killed, but who also shot Randy Weaver's son dead in the back: a new Marshals training center. The Federal government's behavior in the incident can only be described as sickening: targeting a citizen (a veteran, no less) who committed no crime AND EVEN HAD NO CRIMINAL RECORD (but had politically incorrect views) for blackmail, then acting vengefully when he wouldn't act as their rat fink. Shoot-to-kill. Sniper team. Military fatigues. A terrorizing organization: how else to explain the cruel cruel taunting. A terrorist organization by virtue of shoot-to-kill orders. From galt at inconnu.isu.edu Thu Jun 14 22:14:06 2001 From: galt at inconnu.isu.edu (John Galt) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:14:06 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Stuffing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably so, see the references in the recent critique of the Wired article. > If you look at the process of obtaining digital cash abstractly, > I give you a bag of money, you give me a bag of tokens I can > use to spend in shops, it seems to me that there are in principle > two general sorts of ways that I can maintain my anonymity. > ... > 2) Just make it so you don't see my face when I get the bag of > tokens. > > This seems a lot more straightforward and natural to me. Well, the problem is that to exchange cash for tokens, you need a way of sending cash to the bank. But if this exchange is to be done electronically, then that means you are sending e-cash. But your "tokens" *are* e-cash! So your description shows how to get anonymous e-cash, but only if you already start with anonymous e-cash. What you can do is to do an initial withdrawal of e-cash, non-anonymously, then do anonymous exchanges for fresh e-cash tokens. This is essentially the approach of Dan Simon of Microsoft, which is unfortunately patented, US05768385. It is described at http://www.research.microsoft.com/crypto/papers/ecash2.ps. Here is some analysis from June, 1998 cypherpunks post: : The basic idea is that to withdraw money, you select a random x and : send f(x) to the bank, where f() is a one way function. The bank debits : your account and sends you sign(f(x)), a signature on f(x). To deposit : the money you need to supply both x and sign(f(x)). By requiring you : to exhibit x, sign(f(x)) is no longer sensitive, so you don't have to : encrypt your communications with the bank. : : To pay someone else, you send them x and sign(f(x)). (This transaction : does have to be encrypted, because it includes x.) Now, if he just : deposits this to his bank account, the transaction would not be anonymous : since the bank would recognize sign(f(x)) as being associated with a : specific withdrawal. : : Instead, the recipient can do the standard anonymous-exchange trick, : long discussed in the context of Chaumian cash. He anonymously sends x, : sign(f(x)) to the bank along with a new "withdrawal request" created by : randomly choosing y and sending f(y) to the bank. The bank exchanges : the coin, sending sign(f(y)) back anonymously. Now this second party : can spend his coin y, sign(f(y)) with someone else, who does a similar : exchange. (The obscure "claim 27" quoted in the patent excerpt described : this process in the case where change is being made, and multiple coins : are received in exchange for one deposited.) : : Simon's protocol has several problems. First, the whole business : about sending around the secret values x and y is largely pointless. : Since you need secure communications for some steps, you might as well : assume you have them for all of them. In that case you could just send x : to the bank and get it signed (forcing x to be of some restricted form), : and then let sign(x) represent the coin. Everything works the same way. : : Second, it is not really anonymous. Note that no blinding is used. : Although the bank does not know who turned coin x into coin y, it does : know which coin was exchanged for which. Suppose it goes through, say, : three steps before being deposited. Coin x is withdrawn, anonymously : exchanged for y, which is anonymously exchanged for z, which is : later deposited. The bank knows who withdrew x and who deposited z. : It doesn't know who the intermediate parties were, which is the extent : of the anonymity. If the coins are circulating among a tightly knit : group this could completely compromise anonymity as the bank gathers : data on payment patterns. : : Furthermore, it is not clear how long these transfer chains will be : in practice. It may be in many cases that a coin is withdrawn and : then immediately deposited. That's how cash businesses work these : days. For that case, Simon suggested (at Crypto) that the recipient : could perform some "dummy exchanges", so it would look to the bank : like it had gone through some third parties. But if the bank suspects : this is going on, it is ineffective. The bank sees a withdrawal by : Alice and a deposit by Bob, after some intermediate transfers, and : it may speculate that Alice paid Bob directly. Again, sufficient : statistical data can be built up over time to correlate transfers and : reveal these patterns. : : This whole effort is an attempt to get anonymous payments without : violating Chaum's patents. 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The Heat is Off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: eyes, ears, etcetera On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, cubic-dog wrote: > > > This type of surveillence is allowed without warrent > > because it is non-invasive. > > How can any sort of search be 'non-invasive'? > > Amendment IV > > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and > effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, > and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or > affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the > persons or things to be seized. > > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" > > Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > From info at homerjoe.net Fri Jun 15 07:39:24 2001 From: info at homerjoe.net (Founder) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:39:24 -0500 Subject: - Team Skollar Success Quote Message-ID: <200106151439.JAA14977@einstein.ssz.com> Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle. - Abraham Lincoln To stop additional follow up messages click below: http://www.aweber.com/r.php?i=hotfreshleads&e=cypherpunks%40ssz.com From jchoate at us.tivoli.com Fri Jun 15 07:52:50 2001 From: jchoate at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:52:50 -0500 Subject: Japanese I-Mode phones under attack... Message-ID: http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/15/1419206.shtml James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From rlpowell at digitalkingdom.org Fri Jun 15 10:11:16 2001 From: rlpowell at digitalkingdom.org (Robin Lee Powell) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:11:16 -0700 Subject: New patent: Auto-escrowable and auto-certifiable cryptosystems with fast key generation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010615101116.X14438@digitalkingdom.org> On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 08:44:04PM +0200, Bo Elkjaer wrote: > > Patent 6,243,466, granted june 5. 2001. > > Auto-escrowable and auto-certifiable cryptosystems with fast key > generation > [snip] > > http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='6,243,466'.WKU.&OS=PN/6,243,466&RS=PN/6,243,466 So, anyone know if this is any good? -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/ From ALEX at ecotone.toad.com Fri Jun 15 10:56:14 2001 From: ALEX at ecotone.toad.com (ALEX WONG) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:56:14 Subject: CPU For Offer Message-ID: <200106150232.TAA10540@ecotone.toad.com> DEAR SIR, WE ARE PLEASED TO SEND YOU OUR LATEST JUNE QUOTATION FOR YOUR KIND REFERENCE. 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In-Reply-To: <200106151748.NAA00698@divert.sendon.net> Message-ID: Steve Thompson wrote: > ...we may not be certain on the > question of whether or not Blanc > wore panties. I cannot answer this questions with regard to Blanc, but I have it on good authority that there's a place in France where the women wear no pants. S a n d y From kwalker2 at gte.net Fri Jun 15 08:19:58 2001 From: kwalker2 at gte.net (Kelley Walker) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:19:58 -0400 Subject: InfowarCon Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010615111908.023ea040@mail.interpactinc.com> A brochure is online at http://www.interpactinc.com/infowarcon.html InfowarCon 2001: Techniques and Strategies for Securing Shared Infrastructures Washington D.C. September 5 - 6, 2001 September 4, 7, 2001 Optional Workshops A Conference for the Times... InfowarCon 2001 has been developed to deliver proven techniques and strategies for protecting your shared infrastructures from external and internal attack. Now in its 12th year, this critically acclaimed event brings together military leaders, political forces, academics, and industry captains from all over the globe who will share their hard-won experiences and expertise. You will benefit from the first-hand knowledge of in-the-trenches infowarriors from such highly regarded organizations as the Carnegie Mellon Research Institute, UK Ministry of Defence, the Joint Military Training Center, Logicon; TNO Physics and Electronics Labs, Netherlands, Defence Communications Services Agency, UK, the National Infrastructure Protection Center, and more. You'll get proven techniques and broad perspectives from presenters that include in-the-trenches pros from the military, private, and political arenas. These front-line experts have seen it all, done it all, and done it better than anyone else. 6 Special Tracks To make sure you optimize your conference experience and meet your objectives, we’ve organized InfowarCon 2001 into six targeted tracks: Information Space: Chaired by D.H. Dearth, Course Director, JMITC Sessions in this track examine the distinct mechanisms that help shape Information Space. National Infrastructure Protection: Chaired by Clayt Lemme, National Infrastructure Protection Agency Get the basics of international infrastructure policies and procedures and learn the lessons learned in the sessions in this track. Law Enforcement: Chaired by Robert C. Rusnak, Senior Information Operations Analyst, Systems Technology Associates Sessions in this track look at the application of IW to law enforcement. Technical: Chaired by Winn Schwartau, President, Interpact, Inc.; Founder, NiceKids.Net Past InfowarCon attendees have said, "Give some more bits and bytes," so here they are! You’ll find sessions in this track on advanced research and case studies from international experts in a variety of disciplines. People Problems & Solutions: Chaired by Morgan Wright, Deputy Director, Information Security, Federal Government Group, Unisys Corporation Security professionals forget that behind every keyboard is a person with intent, motive and allegiance. This new track is designed to give insights into various people problems from leaders to kids. International Problems & Solutions: Chaired by Matthew Devost, Founding Director, Terrorism Research Center, Inc. From cooperative IO/IW to terrorism, the international community has a lot offer. The disparate sessions in this track cover the gamut of thinking and future ideas and capabilities. Complete Conference Materials Materials for all sessions (excluding workshops) whether you attended them or notwill be posted on the Web after the conference. Attendees will receive an access code with which to access the materials, which will include case studies, guidelines, comparisons, checklists, and more. You will receive hand-outs for the sessions you attend. Team Discount When four people from your organization attend, each will receive a 20% discount. Registrations must be made and paid for at the same time. This savings cannot be combined with any other discounts. "NETOPPS" Networking opportunities abound at InfowarCon 2001. Scheduled receptions, luncheons, refreshment breaks, and impromptu discussions provide ideal backdrops for swapping ideas with colleagues and turning conference speakers into personal "consultants." Vendor Expo Leading vendors of security products and services will be on hand to demo their offerings and answer your questions. In-Depth Workshops Optional workshops before and after InfowarCon 2001 let you leverage your travel time and take advantage of an intensive day of learning. Continuing Education Credits Attendees will be eligible to receive 15 CEUs for the conference and 7 for each workshop. You can register at Misti EZ Access#: IW01 http://www.misti.com/conference_show.asp?id=IW01 https://www.misti.com/confRegister.asp?id=IW01&type=conference From info at doitoutdoors.net Fri Jun 15 11:22:05 2001 From: info at doitoutdoors.net (Joshua) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:22:05 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200106152124.f5FLOAB10130@rigel.cyberpass.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 2137 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Fri Jun 15 08:25:52 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:25:52 -0400 Subject: RC5-64 attack hits 50% point Message-ID: The only RSA Secret Key Challenge known to be under active attack at this time is RC5-64, by distributed.net. Last night this reached the 50% mark, having tested 9,225,283,403,065,065,472 keys at the time I write this, over 1331 days. The current rate is over 210 Gkeys/sec - they should complete the keyspace in the next 18 months. See: http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/ Way back in the previous millenium, RSA (then Security Dynamics) issued a series of 'secret key challenges', in which prizes were offered for decrypting messages encrypted wish RC5 and DES. http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/challenges/ I was responsible for getting SDTI to create the challenges, proposing them to Jim Bidzos to complement the long standing RSA factoring contests back in 1996. I was mainly interested in demonstrating that 56 bit DES (then the strongest exportable algorithm) was inadequate, and had created a proof-of-principle DES key-cracker to demonstrate that the goal was achievable. Jim thought this was a good idea, and I was soon collaborating with RSA Labs in the design of the challenges - long before I came to work at SDTI/RSA. The first challenge (40 bit RC5) fell in 3.5 hours, and was soon followed by others, leading up to the 3rd DES challenge in 1999, when distributed.net and the EFF combined to brute force a 56 bit DES key in 23 hours. The success in the attacks on the Secret Key Challenges created facts on the ground exposing the weakness of exportable crypto, and in my opinion were important in causing the relaxation of US export regulations in early 2000 . Peter Trei From info at giganetstore.com Fri Jun 15 03:48:48 2001 From: info at giganetstore.com (info at giganetstore.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:48:48 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ver=E3o_Refrescante?= Message-ID: <061944848100f61WWWSHOPENS@wwwshopens.giganetstore.com> Caro(a) Cliente, Para que passe um Verão refrescante a Giganetstore.com oferece-lhe um versátil saco térmico para transportar as suas bebidas sempre frescas em qualquer lugar. Boas Férias Giganetstore.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 949 bytes Desc: not available URL: From freematt at coil.com Fri Jun 15 10:11:59 2001 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:11:59 -0400 Subject: Ex-GOP senator's wife pleads to email attack campaign In-Reply-To: <20010614214819.C12530@cluebot.com> References: <20010614214819.C12530@cluebot.com> Message-ID: Declan McCullagh wrote: > * Gunhus is accused of using a Hotmail account (Katie Stevens -- > kylomb at hotmail.com) to send the disparaging email messages, which > talked about how Ciresi had represented corporate polluters and > anti-union companies. Is what she wrote being alleged to be untrue? From my perspective disparaging politicians is like shooting fish in a barrel. Usually all that is needed is to truthfully compare their campaign speeches to their actual voting or other practices. At 9:48 PM -0400 6/14/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: > * And what about the legal risk to free speech? The Minnesota Civil > Liberties Union reasonably argues that a criminal law that bans > sending pseudonymous messages is unconstitutional. A Supreme Court > decision, McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission > (http://www.epic.org/free_speech/mcintyre.html), says that a > prohibition on the distribution of anonymous campaign literature > violates the First Amendment. The state law seems to be ecumenical in > its application: A Republican has used it to attack the Sierra Club > (http://www.fcregister.com/ziegler11_6_00.htm). I'm being represented by attorney Robbin Stewart (Brother of Cypherpunk Bill Stewart) in an anonymous speech case as we speak. Robin has had several victories in Indianapolis for anon political speech. His first victory was inspired from Freematt's Alerts, Robbin had read some commentary from my list on McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission that prompted him to challenge a city ordinance that ordered him to remove a campaign sign from his residence (The sign didn't have who paid or wrote it written on it.) The ordinance was overturned in the Indiana Supreme Court. Regards, Matt- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From bounce-investorsedge-1655339 at lyris.investorsedge Fri Jun 15 13:50:03 2001 From: bounce-investorsedge-1655339 at lyris.investorsedge (InvestorsEdge ListServer) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:50:03 -0700 Subject: InvestorsEdge Newsletter Message-ID: [BG Capital Group] June 15, 2001 Volume 1 Issue 1 [Image] Company History THE NEPTUNE SOCIETY SERVES ALL FAITHS, TRADITIONS, AND CULTURES The Neptune Society® (Pink Sheets: NTUN) is a high visibility brand name that has become the logical option to the traditional funeral and burial. The company has become synonymous with the simplicity, dignity, and economic feasibility of cremation and the scattering of ashes at sea. The company has been in operation since 1972 and has sold more than 80,000 Pre-Need contracts to date. All personnel & facilities of the Neptune Society are licensed and inspected by the governing state. On October 14, 1999, the board of directors elected Marco Markin to the positions of President and CEO. Mr. Markin has an extensive background in the areas of operational management, business development and mergers and acquisitions. Under Mr. Markins direction the Neptune Society has posted a 100% increase in revenues. The company currently operates 18 offices in seven states with gross sales approaching $20 million. The Neptune Society has had extensive, positive press coverage recently with archived stories in The Wall Street Journal, USA Today - Money section, The New York Times On The Web, and the Los Angeles Business Journal. Neptune Revenues [Image] INCOME RESULTS THAT ARE VERY POSITIVE, VERY PROFITABLE, AND VERY PREDICTABLE The Society has four income streams: Recurring trust fund fees and yields, Pre-Need contracts, At-Need contracts, and Non-member contracts. Approximately 50% of the revenues of the Pre-Need plans are placed in a state approved and regulated trust fund. Neptune currently has close to $40 million held in trust from Pre-Need sales. That trust will grow to nearly $50 million by the end of the year 2002. The trust fund maintains its capital base and growth by serving At-Need fulfillment withdrawals having been compensated by the interest generated. Neptune also receives a 4.0% trust management fee. The company has guaranteed book business for 13 years and interest income on Pre-Need sales accrue to Neptune and is realized at the time of fulfillment. Neptune has sold 80,000 pre-need contracts since its inception and its year-over-year sales rate has never been in the red. The company currently has nearly 60,000 active contracts. Currently, new members are being added at a rate of over 1,000 per month, up from only 400 per month in 1998, and Neptune handles nearly 7,000 At-Need cases annually, which makes them the largest cremation company in the U.S. The Industry THE NEPTUNE SOCIETY IS THE COUNTRY'S LARGEST PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY DEALING SOLELY IN CREMATION The death-care industry generates approximately $15 billion a year. It is however tremendously fragmented with 75% of the market being privately owned and the 6 largest providers comprising less than 25% of the industry. 24% of all Americans have pre-arranged some details of their own funeral and 80% believe pre-arranging is a good idea. Cremation accounted for 26.3% of all funeral services in 1999 with expectations of two out of every five, or 42% by 2010 (according to the Cremation Society of America). The average cost of a typical casket and burial funeral now exceeds $7,000 and the cost of a direct cremation runs from $799 to $1,299. [Image] The Market "THERE ARE ONLY TWO CERTAINTIES; DEATH AND TAXES" -- Benjamin Franklin The growth driver of the post-life market is the U.S. death rate and 72 million aging baby boomers who are now in their 50’s. For the upscale market, some funerals can cost $30,000. The Neptune Society can provide upscale goods and services as well including: memorial services at a Neptune Society chapel and private service sea scattering with clergy and family and friends present. Cremation is the most common form of disposition in England (70%), Japan (98%), and Hawaii (58%) and cremation rates will steadily climb from 15% in 1987 to an estimated 50% by the year 2020. Cremation is taking away market share from traditional burials, increasing from 6% in 1975, to 24% in 1998 and projected to 38% by 2010. The Neptune Society serves customers in 35 metro areas and currently has seven locations in California (including its corporate offices), three in Florida, two in New York, two in Iowa, two in Washington State, one in Arizona, and two in Oregon. The company will be expanding its presence to Colorado, Idaho, Texas, New Mexico, Illinois, Nebraska, and Kansas in the next three years. Neptune Marketing NEPTUNE CONVERTS 25% OF ITS LEADS INTO CONTRACTS With the cost of a cremation being up to one-seventh less expensive than a traditional funeral, baby boomers tend to pre-pay for services. The Neptune society sends out over 3.6 million mailers a year and will send out 6 million in 2001. They receive a approximately 1% response of which 25-28% have been converted into a Pre-Need contract. The company targets adults 54+ that have an income of $30k or more with a mailer and follow up calls are made from a dedicated call center based in Phoenix, AZ that has 20 representatives. Remarkably, statistics prove a closure rate of 70-85% for in-home visits. They set up approximately 1,500 appointments a month through Neptune offices. There is no up selling to traditional casket and burial arrangements. State of Incorporation Florida Fiscal-year-end 12/31/00 Recent Price $3.93 Market Cap $30,127,533 Shares Out 7,666,039 Float 6,056,170 Auditors KPMG, LLP Transfer Agent Interwest Transfer Co Institutional Holdings 15.2% Officers/Directors 5.5% Contact The Neptune Society Management: [Image] Marco Markin, President & CEO Corporate Headquarters 3500 W. Olive Suite # 1430 Burbank, CA 91505 Telephone: 888-637-8863 E-mail: info at neptunesociety.com Visit The Neptune Society on the Web:Click here Links to more information: Recent SEC Filings click here Click here for Financial Chart For Trading Technicals click here Disclaimer: The information contained herein is based on news releases or other reports written and disseminated entirely by the subject company. 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Well, there's nothing like facts to shoot a theory down: A Study Finds That Web Users Are More Tolerant http://chronicle.com/free/2001/06/2001061501t.htm At 10:41 PM -0400 6/3/01, Matthew Gaylor wrote: >[Note from Matthew Gaylor: I had asked Professor Cass Sunstein what >he meant by the term "worthwhile" as it relates to passing >"content-neutral regulation". -- Jennifer Stisa Granick Stanford Law School Center for Internet and Society 559 Nathan Abbott Way Stanford, California 94305 (650) 724-0014 (650) 723-8440 fax jennifer at granick.com ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From morlockelloi at yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 14:49:20 2001 From: morlockelloi at yahoo.com (Morlock Elloi) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Analog thoughts Message-ID: <20010615214920.67910.qmail@web13204.mail.yahoo.com> It seems that time has come to do some serious interface rethinking. The advent of WIPO/DMCA ideology and it's steady infiltration into actual technology is starting to render traditional protection-busting schemes ineffective. It is or will soon become illegal and also technically difficult to meddle with hardware/software itself. The demise of general-purpose PC will certainly not help. The last frontier is human interface - eyes, ears and fingers (for the time being and due to failure of www.fufme.com to attract capital these are the only ones.) All content control breaks at this point - if there is a way to see or hear, then analog capture cannot be foiled. There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about quality of analog capture of picture and sound. That is to be expected when even dumb headphones are marketed as "digital" to stupefied public. My experience is that digitizing audio using standard mac h/w gives quality better than that of average .mp3 stream. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with going through analog stage with high quality components. And as long as there are wires going into speaker's amps, this will be doable. And after that hi-fi mic next to quality speaker will also do the job. Right now it all seems rather straightforward - even inferior peecee users should be able to set up things so that audio is digitized while being played and then converted to .mp3 or whatever. What I am interested in is how could this be prevented ? What would be the most effective way to disable analog audio recording and subsequent digitizing ? What are the signs to look for ? Is there open-source software for digitizing ? And on the legal side, how much spin would be required to make analog recording illegal under DMCA ? Thoughts ? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From amaha at vsnl.net Fri Jun 15 03:59:45 2001 From: amaha at vsnl.net (Fountain Of Joy) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:29:45 +0530 (IST) Subject: Thought-A-Day Message-ID: <20010615105945.59A461866D@mmb1.vsnl.net.in> The most terrifying thing is to accept oneself completely. --Carl Jung ***************************************************************************** Your name has been recommended to receive thoughts of wisdom from Fountain of Joy.These refreshing thoughts will be delivered,free of cost,to your desktop,everyday,for an initial evaluation period.We believe that the meaningful insights of these carefully selected thoughts will bring peace,success & happyness in your life in a way you had never imagined before. If you would like your near and dear ones to receive these thoughts,please send their email addresses to amaha at vsnl.net We apologise if this email is received by you in error.If you desire to unsubscribe,reply to this email with 'remove' in the subject line. Thank you. ----Director, Fountain of Joy From amaha at vsnl.net Fri Jun 15 03:59:48 2001 From: amaha at vsnl.net (Fountain Of Joy) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:29:48 +0530 (IST) Subject: Thought-A-Day Message-ID: <20010615105948.8D7AD1852D@mmb1.vsnl.net.in> The most terrifying thing is to accept oneself completely. --Carl Jung ***************************************************************************** Your name has been recommended to receive thoughts of wisdom from Fountain of Joy.These refreshing thoughts will be delivered,free of cost,to your desktop,everyday,for an initial evaluation period.We believe that the meaningful insights of these carefully selected thoughts will bring peace,success & happyness in your life in a way you had never imagined before. If you would like your near and dear ones to receive these thoughts,please send their email addresses to amaha at vsnl.net We apologise if this email is received by you in error.If you desire to unsubscribe,reply to this email with 'remove' in the subject line. Thank you. ----Director, Fountain of Joy From stevet at sendon.net Fri Jun 15 10:28:37 2001 From: stevet at sendon.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:28:37 +0000 Subject: No panties? Message-ID: <200106151748.NAA00698@divert.sendon.net> For many reasons, we have been perusing the archives in order to resolve a number of burning questions. One such question revolves around the the erstwhile entity, Blanc Weber. Despite much heated discussion on the subject, a first-order analysis of the archives clearly shows that we may not be certain on the question of whether or not Blanc wore panties. Applying the principles of forensic psychiatry to her messages gives hints of deeply-rooted insecurities which may ultimately be indicative of her motivation for continually evading all prior queries on this matter. Since such things should, purely for the health of the individual, be treated so that more serious mental illnesses do not arise and fester, we have singled out this one matter for a current infestigation. Additionally, the global nature of the Cypherpunk distributed mail lisp is of such significance that we also feel that this issue should be investigated and resolved for the betterment of the many people, provocateurs, cats, dogs, and tentacles who may have spent many sleepless nights worrying over this question. We also unhesitatingly observe that this investigation and the knowledge gained might have the ancillary benefit of advancing Science, and thus in some small way, enhance the quality of life for the whole of mankind. This message is, therefore, a call to those with information on this important matter to come forward. At this stage, we are interested in first-person anecdotal accounts concerning Blanc and her panties (or lack thereof) which would either add to the store of knowledge presently within the Archives, or which would lend credibility to some of the more outlandish claims concerning underwear which we, as scientists, must presently exclude from our data gathering efforts due to lack of corroboration. Please feel free to send your messages either to the lisp or via private electronic mail. We thank you for your assistance and co-operation in this matter. Sincerely, Steve Thompson, PHd -- "We have a lot of work to do with our allies, but the common values here and the common agenda far outweigh policy differences that we have." -- Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor for President G. W. Bush. As quoted in the National Post, 2001/06/12. From aluger at hushmail.com Fri Jun 15 18:47:23 2001 From: aluger at hushmail.com (aluger at hushmail.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:47:23 -0800 (PDT) Subject: Regularly Scheduled Weekly Choate Commentary. Message-ID: <200106160047.RAA02789@user1.hushmail.com> At Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:37:21 -0500 (CDT), Jim Choate wrote: > >There is a distinction between a 'search' and 'the method of search'. > >Some methods may be more physically invasive than others, but the 4th >doesn't talk to the process or act, only the intent. > >The intent to search is ALWAYS invasive. Mr. Choate obviously detected that I hadn't said this in a week or so and so he spurred me to do it now. "You're an idiot. Go to law school or shut up." Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com From freematt at coil.com Fri Jun 15 15:09:49 2001 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:09:49 -0400 Subject: Freematt Interviews Financial Cryptographer Ian Grigg Message-ID: From partner_announcements at mp3.com Fri Jun 15 18:10:39 2001 From: partner_announcements at mp3.com (partner_announcements at mp3.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:10:39 -0700 Subject: Check Out eLUXURY's Spring Sale Event -- Savings up to 70% Off! Message-ID: <20010616011039.3008.qmail@sdcannon08.mp3.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 7021 bytes Desc: not available URL: From freematt at coil.com Fri Jun 15 15:10:43 2001 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:10:43 -0400 Subject: Freematt Interviews Financial Cryptographer Ian Grigg Message-ID: From dmolnar at hcs.harvard.edu Fri Jun 15 15:26:55 2001 From: dmolnar at hcs.harvard.edu (dmolnar) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New patent: Auto-escrowable and auto-certifiable cryptosystems with fast key generation In-Reply-To: <20010615101116.X14438@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > So, anyone know if this is any good? There was a paper on a similar topic in this year's ASIACRYPT from the same authors. I have *not* reviewed the patent yet to see if the claimed techniques are the same as that paper. The paper seems to work; it's based on a cute technique involving what they call "double-decker exponentiation." Instead of working with g^x, you work with g1^(g2^x). They use this to perform what could be called "RSA in the exponent" and leverage this to acheive the claimed signature-only property. Double-decker exponentiation is interesting in its own right, too. One of the sections in their paper note that after too many signatures, the scheme could leak a "shadow" public key. The signatures were needed to solve a system of simultaneous equations; it made me wonder how a lattice reduction algorithm would fare in practice. I apologize for being so imprecise here, but the paper is at http://link.springer-ny.com/link/service/series/0558/bibs/1976/19760097.htm -David From freematt at coil.com Fri Jun 15 15:32:19 2001 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:32:19 -0400 Subject: Cass Sunstein Shot Down Again Message-ID: From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Fri Jun 15 10:25:05 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:25:05 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: [Pigdog] This Is Not SpAM! (fwd) Message-ID: -- Eugen* Leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:18:50 -0700 From: 0 <0 at pigdog.org> To: pigdog-l at bearfountain.com Subject: Re: [Pigdog] This Is Not SpAM! >>>>> "DH" == Donkey Hotey writes: DH> like 128bit encryption. That's such a scam. Fire your BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We don't want to waste your time... or ours. This offer is for SERIOUS PEOPLE interested in using the FUNDAMENTAL TECHNOLOGIES of ECOMMERCE to BUILD a CAREER. TiRed of working every day when you could be making FA$$$$$T MONEY!!! with e-commerce!?! Use the technology that REALLY WORK$$ to retire early and ENJOY LIFE! Look at this table for proof that you can use ENCRYPTION METHODS to MAKE A FORTUNE! Let's say that you have a product that's worth $30, and you start off using only ONE BIT ENCRYPTION to maintain that product. 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SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY! 1-800-DON-KEY8 ~0 -- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | 0 at pigdog.org | http://pigdog.org/ | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Fri Jun 15 10:25:05 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:25:05 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: [Pigdog] This Is Not SpAM! (fwd) Message-ID: -- Eugen* Leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 15 Jun 2001 10:18:50 -0700 From: 0 <0 at pigdog.org> Reply-To: pigdog-l at bearfountain.com To: pigdog-l at bearfountain.com Subject: Re: [Pigdog] This Is Not SpAM! >>>>> "DH" == Donkey Hotey writes: DH> like 128bit encryption. That's such a scam. Fire your BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We don't want to waste your time... or ours. This offer is for SERIOUS PEOPLE interested in using the FUNDAMENTAL TECHNOLOGIES of ECOMMERCE to BUILD a CAREER. TiRed of working every day when you could be making FA$$$$$T MONEY!!! with e-commerce!?! Use the technology that REALLY WORK$$ to retire early and ENJOY LIFE! Look at this table for proof that you can use ENCRYPTION METHODS to MAKE A FORTUNE! Let's say that you have a product that's worth $30, and you start off using only ONE BIT ENCRYPTION to maintain that product. Then watch what happens with the POWER OF INTERNET MARKETING!!!! ----------------------------------------- | Start | 1 bit encryption | | First Week | 2 bit encryption | | Second Week | 4 bit encryption | | Third Week | 8 bit encryption | | Fourth Week | 16 bit encryption | | Fifth Week | 32 bit encryption | | Sixth Week | 64 bit encryption | ----> * | Seventh Week | 128 bit encryption | ----------------------------------------- In only SEVEN WEEKS you can have ONE HUNDRED TWENTY EIGHT BIT ENCRYPTION, the same technology used by MONEY MAKER MARKET LEADERS like CHARLES SCHWAB, GENERAL MOTORS, and STARBUCK'S COFFEE to make $$$$$MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!$$$$$$ This is the same technology that is SUCH a POWERFUL MONEY-MAKING machine that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT once OUTLAWED it for CIVILIAN USE!!! Call toll-free for your brochure, starter kit, and FIRST ENCRYPTION BIT that will start you on the road to MILLION$$. SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY! 1-800-DON-KEY8 ~0 -- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | 0 at pigdog.org | http://pigdog.org/ | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ From vacation at vacationtuscany.com Fri Jun 15 07:33:08 2001 From: vacation at vacationtuscany.com (vacation at vacationtuscany.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:33:08 +0500 Subject: Tuscany, Italy - La Dolce Vita in Toscana Message-ID: <0001b65d0502d107d1@[192.168.0.1]> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 17577 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ravage at ssz.com Fri Jun 15 17:37:21 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:37:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: TIME.com: Nation -- Supreme Court: Relax. The Heat is Off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is a distinction between a 'search' and 'the method of search'. Some methods may be more physically invasive than others, but the 4th doesn't talk to the process or act, only the intent. The intent to search is ALWAYS invasive. On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, cubic-dog wrote: > eyes, ears, etcetera > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, cubic-dog wrote: > > > > > This type of surveillence is allowed without warrent > > > because it is non-invasive. > > > > How can any sort of search be 'non-invasive'? > > > > Amendment IV > > > > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and > > effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, > > and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or > > affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the > > persons or things to be seized. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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Blanc From tfxjapan at mail.goo.ne.jp Fri Jun 15 07:20:11 2001 From: tfxjapan at mail.goo.ne.jp (tfxjapan at mail.goo.ne.jp) Date: 15 Jun 2001 23:20:11 +0900 Subject: Spasm Message-ID: <20010615142011.39734.qmail@mail.goo.ne.jp> Spasm by Kenji Siratori El-cheapo books ISBN 1-903548-14-9 This collection of hypereal, cyberfiction is a the reaction of the visible-human to everything that is vital hypermodern-translation and respire our era. --the development of the insanity in the middle of the DNA=channel that got complicated! http://www.elcheapobooks.com/shop/quickcat.htm --read sample-- The cosmic soul-machines of clone boys_mode to the air-line of an ADAM doll. _resembles to be whether I think about the vector of the cadaver that fused to the brain universe of asphalt the sun line of lonely masses of flesh:the love-replicant although cyber dog is road the line of \"the suspicion\" of replication heaven:that respires the clonical reproduction area of an artificial ant:the random hatred of the DNA=channel is controlled....the gene of her grief commits suicide:the matrix body fluid of TV free wild fancy BABEL animals witnesses....was approximated to nomansland planetary:her brain cell:the hybrid body of an ant_drug-motion. 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[access to the redundancy area: the replication person of clonical love:::the far machine of grief 8 \'The connection of Angel\' I meet by chance with the hell of the sun of the machine mechanism that the despair of the brain of an ADAM doll reproduces ???A --more story-- Aidos by Kenji Siratori Primal Publishing A hyper modern deformation of a conventional cyberpunk story for visible-humans. http://www.primalpub.com/library/kenji/aidos.html From mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu Fri Jun 15 19:00:11 2001 From: mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu (lcs Mixmaster Remailer) Date: 16 Jun 2001 02:00:11 -0000 Subject: Freematt Interviews Financial Cryptographer Ian Grigg Message-ID: <20010616020011.19317.qmail@nym.alias.net> Subject: Freematt Interviews Financial Cryptographer Ian Grigg It's too bad you didn't ask the juicy questions. Systemics has recently become embroiled in a lawsuit with e-gold and/or DigiGold, as the emails below describe. Former Friends Become Enemies! Servers Being Seized! Ian Trapped in Anguilla! And all you can think of to ask is, where do you think you'll be in ten years? which authors influenced you? You call this journalism? Come on, enquiring minds want to know the dirt. > Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:02:40 -0400 (AST) > From: Ian Grigg > > Dear WebFunds Users, > > I regret to announce that Systemics Inc will not be supporting > DigiGold Ltd from 25th May, 2001, 11:00 a.m. AST due to > termination of the contract between the two parties. > > Unfortunately, we cannot afford to continue to cover the costs > for services consumed by DigiGold Ltd. > > In operational terms this would mean that the Issuance Server > operated by Systemics Inc will cease to accept payment requests > for the Ricardian Contracts issued by DigiGold Ltd on the above > date & time. These are, in brief, the 4 metals. > > Also, the books that were trading on the Exchange will be > "closed," and any orders returned in their current state to > the user. > Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 02:07:03 -0400 > From: Ian Grigg > > Due to representations from interested parties, Systemics Inc have decided > in good faith to maintain in operation (at own expense) the Issuance Server > that handles the DigiGold contracts for one more week. > > Apologies for the brief email, but, we are somewhat constrained in discussing > the situation, as much as we are constrained from continuing to provide the > service at own expense, on behalf of others. > Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:13:54 -0400 (AST) > From: Ian Grigg > > W.r.t. to the terminated agreement with the e-gold group in general > and the DigiGold company in particular, papers have just been > served on myself and Systemics (as of 12:25 Tuesday 29th May 2001). > > The nature of the papers is unclear at this stage, as they are long > and legally worded. They do speak of DigiGold servers and injunctive > relief and so forth, as well as apparently forbidding me to leave the > island of Anguilla! On my first reading, I found no mention of > payment towards outstanding and ongoing support costs. No doubt, > the bevy of lawyers they have retained will probably leave little over > for operations. > > Support for all projects will be a little loose in the forthcoming > period as I'll have to devote much time to understanding and in all > probability defending Systemics and myself from these filings. > > Even up to minutes before, there was a dialogue going on in email > with Barry Downey, his two lawyers and the management team of > DigiGold, in an attempt I thought to reach some sort of understanding > as to their position (potentially leading to a resolution). > > However, the papers were filed on Friday last, and given the weight > of the documents served obviously took some time to prepare. This > is not a light action on their parts. > > In summary, I will be distracted. I'll attempt to hand over > support of the projects to someone else so as to minimise the > disruption caused to others. > From: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 12:21:05 -0400 > > L.S. > > Attentive users will have noticed that the new issuance > server in the US of A has had hickups over the past couple > of days. > > Having got back from my European adventures I have had a > look at the problem that caused the Digi* and the other > commercial issues to not work. > > It turns out that the Linux networking did not play well > with the Systemics Issuance Server software and solving > that particular problem involved digging in the Linux source > code to find out what was wrong. Open Source software indeed > has it's advantages! > > The good news is that I've put in place a bandaid solution > that should allow the server to function for the time being > albeit not optimally. > > A more permanent and reliable solution would be to move the > servers back to our trusty FreeBSD operating system running > on hardware in Anguilla. > > The bad news is that if we move the server to Anguilla now > we will not be allowed to move it out again by injunction of > the court of Anguilla. > > This of course would severely limit Systemics' operational > capabilities as any major connectivity problems here in > Anguilla could not be effectively addressed. > > The worst news however is yet to come... : > > We have to anticipate that the e-gold litigants will attempt > to seize the server as: > - they have made claims to Systemics intellectual property, > - the injunction clearly states that the server is not to > leave the 25-by-6 mile rock known as Anguilla. > > This puts us in a situation where we are forced to separate > the Digigold currencies (AGG, AUG, PDG and PTG) from the > other commercial issuances in order to protect the interests > of Systemics' paying customers. > > At this stage our distinguished team of Financial Cryptography > engineers are working around the clock to come up with a > solution (if you didn't get that, it means we don't have a clue > as to how to attack this problem just yet). > > More to follow. > > Cheers, > Jeroen From George at Orwellian.Org Sat Jun 16 00:37:38 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? Message-ID: <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> Can anyone figure this out? It's a link from the ebay splash page, so it's "high profile". Is it DeCSS? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1439250171 # # [ pictured are DVD movies ] # # All the software needed to burn your own DVD's is included with # this auction. Now you can make copies/Backups of ALL of your # favorite DVD's and never have to worry about replacing them. # There are only 2 options. You could either spend thousands of # dollars on a DVD burner (Brand New your looking at over 5,000 # dollars or even buying a DVD Burner off of Ebay is still going # to run into the thousands) or you could buy this software and # make your own copies using a CD-R Drive. This software is # incredibly simple to use with very detailed and easy to follow # instructions # # Att. Ebay- This is not an "informational" auction. This is # software needed to burn DVD's on a CD-R Drive # # This program is not meant for those who intend on breaking # copywrite laws and in no way will I be held responsible if you # do. # # Please add 4.01 shipping & handling making the total only 10 # dollars for this INCREDIBLE SOFTWARE # # ATTENTION EBAY and Bidders: Again this auction in no way infringes # on any copyrights at all and is not being sold for that purpose. # It is to be used to Backup DVDs ONLY !!! Backups may only be # made from the bidders collection only and cannot be shared,sold,or # distributed freely. From George at Orwellian.Org Sat Jun 16 02:14:09 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Creeping Police State item #32767 Message-ID: <200106160914.FAA06520@www2.aa.psiweb.com> Pull up the URL for the full article. http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0124/ince.shtml # # June 13-19, 2001 # # Cops in Schools Teach a Generation to Live # in Jail Preppin? for Prison # by Adamma Ince # # "The po-po are like recruiters, only they don't want us for the # NBA or the NFL. They want us for jail." # # Three years into a four-year pilot program giving the New York # Police Department control of safety in the public schools, sexual # assaults have increased so dramatically that the City Council # is now arguing for the addition of 200 more cops plus surveillance # cameras in stairwells. # # Many in the community-parents, kids, teachers, and some elected # officials-say the council is ignoring what's really going on. # New York's black and Hispanic families worry that the NYPD's # historic use of discriminatory and aggressive tactics against # minorities has resulted not in protection for their kids, but # in criminalization. They say we've turned our schools into # training grounds for prisons, complete with metal detectors, # frisking, and holding cells. # # As the kids see it, Monday through Friday, 7 a.m. to about 5 # p.m., they are eyeballed, stopped, and often bullied by officers # who are trained to track and punish criminals. [snip] From keyser-soze at hushmail.com Sat Jun 16 09:27:23 2001 From: keyser-soze at hushmail.com (keyser-soze at hushmail.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:27:23 -0800 (PDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200106161528.IAA21946@user5.hushmail.com> At 03:37 AM 6/16/2001 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: Can anyone figure this out? It's a link from the ebay splash page, so it's "high profile". Is it DeCSS? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1439250171 # # [ pictured are DVD movies ] # # All the software needed to burn your own DVD's is included with # this auction. Now you can make copies/Backups of ALL of your # favorite DVD's and never have to worry about replacing them. # There are only 2 options. You could either spend thousands of There is no practical way to "just" burn DVDs onto CDs for subsequent viewing. Without compressing, and lowering the resolution, the data volume is prohibitive (6GB or more). That's not to say this compression will yield poor results if done properly. Most consumer DVD players support the Video CD format (VCD) and many an enhanced format SVCD. SVCD, a standard from Philips, has a peak data rate of about 2.6Mbps, compared to DVD's 8Mbps. Feature length movies generally fit on three 80 minute CDs. Audio quality is excellent (Dolby surround is supported). Subjectively, I think SVCD video quality (if mastered correctly from a DVD) is better than SVHS. These SVCDs can also be viewed on PCs. See http://www.vcdhelp.com for a complete explanation of the tools (all/most free) and techniques. Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com From George at Orwellian.Org Sat Jun 16 05:56:31 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FCC violating the First Admendment: let's make some arrests Message-ID: <200106161256.IAA13504@www0.aa.psiweb.com> http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0124/sotc.shtml # # Week of June 13 - 19, 2001 # # Radio Can't Even Play My Jam # # Eminem is a man of many guises, but is he ready to be the new # Mapplethorpe? On June 1, the FCC fined Colorado radio station # KKMG $7000 for playing the "clean" version of Em's "The Real # Slim Shady," the same one played thousands of times last summer # by pop, rock, and r&b stations around the country-maybe the first # time all those formats agreed on a No. 1. # # The commission-now chaired by Colin Powell's son Michael-found # that the song contains "sexual references in conjunction with # sexual expletives that appear intended to pander and shock," # a description the artist could hardly dispute; in fact, the # indecency standard is practically the subject of the song. # # "Sometimes I want to get on TV and just let loose, but can't/But # it's cool for Tom Green to hump a dead moose," reads the # transcript of the offending track in the FCC's decision. "My # bum is on your lips . . . /And if I'm lucky you might just give # it a little kiss/And that's the message we deliver to little # kids/And expect them not to know what a woman's BLEEP is?" # # "I think all of America should feel threatened," says Def Jam # founder Russell Simmons, who will lead a "hip-hop summit" this # week at the Hilton. Last week Simmons received a Father of the # Year award from the National Father's Day Committee at the # Marriott Marquis, and found that Powell was a co-honoree. # # According to Simmons, Powell said he'd like to come to the summit, # but on Friday Powell's staff called to say he had a scheduling # conflict. "He said [this fine] was just a random case, and not # to view it as an attack, but that's bullshit," Simmons says. # "I asked him how the record was indecent, and he couldn't give # me a clear answer." (The FCC declined comment.) # # Kathleen Kirby, KKMG's lawyer, isn't surprised. "FCC indecency # rules are difficult to get your arms around, even for the agency's # own attorneys." Nonetheless, she calls the fine "unusual" and # says the station will appeal. Earlier this year, the commission # imposed an equal fine on a Wisconsin station for "accidentally" # playing the album version of "Slim Shady." # # Kirby is cautious about gauging the political implications of # the fine. Powell was appointed by Clinton-Bush named him chair # days after the inauguration-and is known as a strong advocate # of the First Amendment, while Gloria Tristani, the other remaining # Clinton appointee, has pushed for more aggressive indecency # enforcement. Neither was involved in issuing the fine, which # was imposed by career civil service employees in the FCC's newly # created enforcement bureau. # # Will other stations be fined? FCC enforcement actions are driven # by complaints from listeners, and the agency won't tell Kirby # whether it has received any others. # # "This is probably a result of pressure from this organization," # says Paul McGeady, director of Morality in Media's National # Obscenity Law Center on the Upper West Side, which lobbied # Congress during the first few months of Bush II for stepped-up # enforcement. # # But even McGeady can't pinpoint what's wrong with the clean # version. "The whole thing is offensive. It's got bestiality; # he's talking about a vagina-what more do you need?" # # Actually, the bleeped word is "clitoris," and the question Eminem # poses is similar to the one his lawyers will raise. "The Supreme # Court said in the Pacifica case that the FCC can bar the 'seven # dirty words' because radio is a uniquely pervasive medium that # is particularly accessible to children," says Northern Kentucky # University law prof Kenneth Katkin (who has done work for Kirby's # firm). # # "But this looks a lot more like the FCC trying to decide what # ideas kids can hear, and even the FCC would agree that's # unconstitutional." Kids with Web browsers can find the complete # lyrics of the "dirty" version on the FCC's own Web site, # # http://www.fcc.gov/eb/broadcast/obscind.html # # along with shock-jock pedophilia jokes, lots of cusswords, and # oral-sex tips from Monty Python. -Josh Goldfein From George at Orwellian.Org Sat Jun 16 06:33:20 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Microsoft, the privacy force Message-ID: <200106161333.JAA21582@www3.aa.psiweb.com> http://www.nytimes.com/cnet/CNET_0-1005-200-6285910.html # # June 15, 2001 # # IE 6 beta pushes ad networks on privacy # # By STEFANIE OLSEN, CNET NEWS.COM # # As Microsoft puts the finishing touches on an upgrade to its # popular browser, Internet advertising companies are racing to # ensure that their ads and cookies are compatible with it. # # Internet Explorer 6, scheduled to be released in August, will # be the first browser to support a new privacy standard called # Platform Privacy Preferences, or P3P. # # With P3P, Web surfers can configure their browsers to # automatically determine whether a Web site collects personally # identifiable information, uses that information to create user # profiles, or allows visitors to opt out of the data collection. # # Ad networks also must post privacy policies that can be read # by the browser. Sites and ads that are not compliant with the # standards being included in IE 6 may not be able to place cookies # on PC users' hard drives. # # "In order for ad networks to continue to set cookies on people's # computers, they'll have to create a P3P privacy policy--many # haven't done that yet," said Richard Smith, chief technology # officer at the Privacy Foundation, a Denver-based watchdog group # and research foundation. Smith said that by his count, about # 50 to 100 marketers and ad networks set third-party cookies, # many of which could be blocked by users of IE 6. # # "All those guys are going to have to hustle to get a P3P privacy # policy in place or their cookies won't work," Smith said. # # The issue recently came to light when some of the 500,000 beta # testers of Windows XP noticed that some ads were not being # displayed while surfing the Web. Windows XP, an upgrade to the # Windows operating system that will be released in October, # includes IE 6. # # Because cookies are an important component of online advertising, # leading ad networks such as DoubleClick and Engage are working # to ensure compatibility with IE 6. # # DoubleClick, for example, uses cookies to create anonymous # profiles on consumers who visit specific sites or content areas, # such as sports pages or financial sites. With this information, # the company might target a Nike ad to a consumer surfing a retail # site who regularly visits sports Web sites. # # Engage, which serves ads for about 3,400 Web sites, is installing # headers so that the browser will be able to read Engage cookies. # Complying with P3P is a "fairly significant expenditure of a # couple of people's time but it's not overly burdensome," said # Engage spokesman Mark Horan. # # "Our site will be P3P-compliant within the next three weeks," # he added. "Much more important, our cookies will be P3P-compliant # before IE 6 launches this fall." # # Jules Polonetsky, DoubleClick's privacy chief, said his company # also will have its privacy policy and cookie headers ready before # the launch of IE 6. # # Meanwhile, the default privacy controls for IE 6 could spell # trouble for some companies that are late in meeting P3P # compliance. # # The default setting in IE 6 allows a "first-party" cookie to # be set, meaning that if a person visits Yahoo the browser will # accept a cookie from Yahoo. # # However, "third-party" cookies--most often set by marketers or # ad networks to track consumer response to promotions--will be # allowed through IE 6 default settings only if the third party # allows consumers to opt out of data-collection practices. If # the company doesn't give consumers an option, the cookie will # be blocked. # # DoubleClick's Polonetsky noted the company does not collect # personally identifiable information with its cookies and does # offer consumers an opt out, so its cookies will be accepted under # IE 6 default settings. # # "This is a great step for protecting consumers' privacy on the # Web," said Rick Miller, a Microsoft spokesman. "Consumers will # be able to control what personal information they give out to # marketers." # # DoubleClick's Polonetsky, who helped to develop the P3P standard, # said that although his company will be prepared for the new # settings, many online companies may run into trouble come August. # # "Here's the surprise: Many Web sites, especially complicated # ones with third-party content provided by their affiliates, may # discover that they are third parties on their own sites," # Polonetsky said. This would create a situation where their cookies # would not be accepted on their own properties. # # However, Smith said that this will not likely be a problem for # many sites because they work fine without cookies, which makes # targeting ads more difficult but not impossible. From declan at well.com Sat Jun 16 11:10:10 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:10:10 -0400 Subject: Ex-GOP senator's wife pleads to email attack campaign In-Reply-To: References: <20010614214819.C12530@cluebot.com> <20010614214819.C12530@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010616140841.00a9a1d0@mail.well.com> Matt: That's a good point, and I should have highlighted it in my article. No, she's not alleged to have said anything that was untrue. If she did, Ciersi could have sued for libel rather than relying on the state to prosecute. -Declan At 01:11 PM 6/15/01 -0400, Matthew Gaylor wrote: >Declan McCullagh wrote: >> * Gunhus is accused of using a Hotmail account (Katie Stevens -- >> kylomb at hotmail.com) to send the disparaging email messages, which >> talked about how Ciresi had represented corporate polluters and >> anti-union companies. > >Is what she wrote being alleged to be untrue? From my perspective >disparaging politicians is like shooting fish in a barrel. Usually all >that is needed is to truthfully compare their campaign speeches to their >actual voting or other practices. > >At 9:48 PM -0400 6/14/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: >> * And what about the legal risk to free speech? The Minnesota Civil >> Liberties Union reasonably argues that a criminal law that bans >> sending pseudonymous messages is unconstitutional. A Supreme Court >> decision, McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission >> (http://www.epic.org/free_speech/mcintyre.html), says that a >> prohibition on the distribution of anonymous campaign literature >> violates the First Amendment. The state law seems to be ecumenical in >> its application: A Republican has used it to attack the Sierra Club >> (http://www.fcregister.com/ziegler11_6_00.htm). > > >I'm being represented by attorney Robbin Stewart (Brother of Cypherpunk >Bill Stewart) in an anonymous speech case as we speak. Robin has had >several victories in Indianapolis for anon political speech. His first >victory was inspired from Freematt's Alerts, Robbin had read some >commentary from my list on McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission that >prompted him to challenge a city ordinance that ordered him to remove a >campaign sign from his residence (The sign didn't have who paid or wrote >it written on it.) The ordinance was overturned in the Indiana Supreme Court. > >Regards, Matt- > > >************************************************************************** >Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues >Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA >on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) >Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ >************************************************************************** From keyser-soze at hushmail.com Sat Jun 16 16:36:44 2001 From: keyser-soze at hushmail.com (keyser-soze at hushmail.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:36:44 -0800 (PDT) Subject: George@Orwellian.Org Message-ID: <200106162239.PAA32450@user5.hushmail.com> At 03:37 AM 6/16/2001 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: Can anyone figure this out? It's a link from the ebay splash page, so it's "high profile". Is it DeCSS? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1439250171 # # [ pictured are DVD movies ] # # All the software needed to burn your own DVD's is included with # this auction. Now you can make copies/Backups of ALL of your # favorite DVD's and never have to worry about replacing them. # There are only 2 options. You could either spend thousands of There is no practical way to "just" burn DVDs onto CDs for subsequent viewing. Without compressing, and lowering the resolution, the data volume is prohibitive (6GB or more). That's not to say this compression will yield poor results if done properly. Most consumer DVD players support the Video CD format (VCD) and many an enhanced format SVCD. SVCD, a standard from Philips, has a peak data rate of about 2.6Mbps, compared to DVD's 8Mbps. Feature length movies generally fit on three 80/800MB minute SVCDs. Audio quality is excellent (Dolby surround is supported). Subjectively, I think SVCD video quality (if mastered correctly from a DVD) is better than SVHS. These SVCDs can also be viewed on PCs. See http://www.vcdhelp.com for a complete explanation of the ripping, editing, compressing, cutting, merging and burning tools (most free) and techniques. Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com From ashwood at msn.com Sat Jun 16 13:47:19 2001 From: ashwood at msn.com (Joseph Ashwood) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:47:19 -0500 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? References: <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c0f6a7$4c4167a0$9851e041@josephas> Sounds to me like it's just a plain binary copy. The software takes the data off the DVD, and puts it on the media, when it runs out of space it asks for more media. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 2:37 AM Subject: CDR: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? > Can anyone figure this out? > > It's a link from the ebay splash page, > so it's "high profile". > > Is it DeCSS? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1439250171 From schear at lvcm.com Sat Jun 16 15:51:31 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:51:31 -0700 Subject: No panties? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010616154832.033f11a8@pop3.lvcm.com> At 04:48 PM 6/16/2001 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: >Remote panty-scanners closer than you think.... >----------------------------------------------- They are already here if you believe this site http://www.kaya-optics.com/products/applications.htm steve From aimee.farr at pobox.com Sat Jun 16 14:48:29 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:48:29 -0500 Subject: No panties? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Remote panty-scanners closer than you think.... ----------------------------------------------- "U.S. Developing 'Remote Frisk' to Seek Weapons in a Crowd" Cox News Service (06/07/01); Emling, Shelley NLECTC Law Enforcement & Corrections\Copyright 2001, Information Inc., Bethesda, MD. Engineers at the National Institute of Standards and Technology's laboratories in Boulder, Colo., are developing a device that police might one day use to spot people carrying dangerous weapons in unruly crowds. While engineers will likely develop a working prototype by year's end, U.S. officials have no immediate plans for deploying the system. The National Institute of Justice and the Federal Aviation Administration is funding the development of the "remote frisk," and the agencies have already spent about $200,000 annually on the project over the past three years. News of the system comes during a growing concern over domestic terrorism, but it also raises concerns over the constitutionality of high-tech policing practices. Kristian Miccio at Western State University College of Law in California says that using high-tech devices among crowds is a violation of the Fourth Amendment, an issue similar to a recent Supreme Court ruling involving an Oregon man. Rebecca Trexler, an FAA spokeswoman, says the FAA has reservations about a scanner that could peer through clothing. NIST spokesman Fred McGehan states that the agencies hope the device would provide only a rough silhouette of the person's body. (www.coxnews.com) [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] I note that a sizable industry is dedicated to not only keeping my silhouette private through advanced camoflauge techniques, but also morphing it out of its natural proportion. Can it detect a body-bound knife? A grenade? A minute explosive device? A "push-up" bra? Does their "rough silhouette" subject me to the same exacting tracing knife as those reclining ladies on 18-wheeler mud flaps? (Is this blue paint?) ~Aimee From schear at lvcm.com Sat Jun 16 16:55:35 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:55:35 -0700 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <00bb01c0f6a7$4c4167a0$9851e041@josephas> References: <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010616165158.0345d090@pop3.lvcm.com> At 03:47 PM 6/16/2001 -0500, Joseph Ashwood wrote: >Sounds to me like it's just a plain binary copy. The software takes the data >off the DVD, and puts it on the media, when it runs out of space it asks for >more media. If so it not very useful. Lots of such free utilities out there for that. As keyser-soze notes, in a reply with an incorrect subject line, if you want to put DVD originated video content to CDs for subsequent flexible viewing (PC or DVD player) you need to convert it to another format (VCD/SVCD). You can also make .avi or mpeg4 files for PC viewing from them (it seems the vcdhelp site referenced by keyser also has material for that.) steve From aimee.farr at pobox.com Sat Jun 16 16:17:38 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:17:38 -0500 Subject: No panties? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010616154832.033f11a8@pop3.lvcm.com> Message-ID: > At 04:48 PM 6/16/2001 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > >Remote panty-scanners closer than you think.... > >----------------------------------------------- > > They are already here if you believe this site > http://www.kaya-optics.com/products/applications.htm > > steve Figures. X-ray-through-makeup-vision, too, hm? 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Attn: Managing Director, Dear Sir, I salute you in the name of the most high God. I am Mrs. Mariam Abacha, the widow of the late Gen. Sani Abacha former Nigerian Military Head of State who died mysteriously as a result of Cardiac Arrest. Since my husband’s death, my family has been under restriction of movement and that notwithstanding, we are being molested and constantly been harassed by the so called security officials, above all, our Bank accounts here and abroad have been frozen by the Nigeria Civilian Govt. Furthermore, my eldest son in detention by the Nigerian Government for more interrogation about my husband’s assets and some vital documents. Following the recent discovery of my husband’s bank account by the Nigerian Government with my son’s bank in which a huge sum of US $700 million Dutch Mark, & another $450 million was also lodge and 1.6Billion Pounds Sterling belonging to my late husband, all the said fund was seized by the Government of Nigeria. I therefore wish to personally appeal to you seriously and religiously for your urgent assistance to transfer the sum of $58million US Dollars into your account in your country where I believe it will be safe, since we cannot leave the country due to the restriction of movement imposed on the members of my family by the Nigerian Government or can you receive for the abacha family the funds already in Europe & America about $89million USD , already deposited with a security firm you can advise us on areas where and what to invest on abroad, already we are presently nursing real estates or any other blu-chip investement you can reach my lawyer(DR ISA MUSA.) on his direct Tel lines as a copy of this letter is equally sent to him in confidence .Any advise should be directed to my lawyer for security reasons thank you, You can contact me through my lawyers Tel Number : +871-762336687 or Fax +871-762336689. Upon receipt of your good response. My lawyer shall arrange a meeting to facilitate the smooth transfer of the fund , that is to liase with him towards effective compromise of this transaction. However, arrangement have been put in place to remove more of the family fund amounting to$114 million US$ from a security firm were it is deposited , Before moving the remaining fund out of the country with the assistance of my husband’s friend’s that’s some( some top government functionaries) still in government through a diplomatic means, and deposited in a security company, as soon as you indicate your interest. My lawyer shall send to you the Security Deposit Certificate and Airway Bill of the luggage and other related documents so that you can arrange how and where the luggage tagged “Family Treasures”. From an African king will be deposited. Conclusively, we have agreed to offer you 30% of the total sum while 70% in collaboration with my lawyer to be held on trust by you until we can decide on what to do next , subsequent to our free movement by the Nigerian Government. Please reply urgently and treat with absolute confidentiality and sincerity. Yours sincerely, Mrs. Mariam Abacha.(alhaja) From stevet at sendon.net Sun Jun 17 07:59:02 2001 From: stevet at sendon.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:59:02 +0000 Subject: No panties? References: Message-ID: <200106171811.OAA01012@divert.sendon.net> One Blanc (blancw at cnw.com) posted thus: > Cyber-anarchists don't wear panties. It is nice that you saw fit to reply to our query. It is, however, well known that self-reporting produces the least accurate data[1] an so we are therefore inclined to discount your responses for the specific purpose of our study. This is of course by-the-by. Perhaps we were unclear in our original message. 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National Post 2001/06/12 From bill.stewart at pobox.com Sun Jun 17 15:00:11 2001 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:00:11 -0700 Subject: Will the real Slim Shady please shut up In-Reply-To: <3B1FB3FD.550783A1@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> References: <200106071607.MAA08875@www6.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010617143228.02f68bf0@idiom.com> At 06:03 PM 06/07/2001 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: >Clue me in here chaps - what's the deal with anyone censoring anything >at all? You guys are always telling us that your nth amendment >guarantees freedom of speech unlike us poor benighted eurosheep. If you >now tell me that freedom of speech doesn't actually apply on commercial >radio... It depends. If you're talking about obscenity on the radio or internet, or commercial speech like tobacco advertising, then, no, the First Amendment isn't about that, it's about protecting political speech. Of course, if you're talking about election campaign finances, and whether somebody can spend their own money to promote their political beliefs, that's a much different story - elections are *far* too important to allow that sort of thing. Maybe *I'm* Slim Shady... >No wonder so many foreigners listen to the BBC World Service. If you are >going to have government-censored radio and thinly veiled propaganda you >might as well have *good* government-censored radio and thinly veiled >propaganda. Yeah. The US equivalent, National Public Radio and its relatives, used to be a reasonably adequate knockoff of the BBC and CBC. Over the last few years, it's increasingly turned into a propaganda engine for corporatism, brought to you by a grant from Archer Daniels Midland, Big Oil 1, Big Oil 2, etc., with less of the interesting in-depth foreign coverage. 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Since the present civilian government is determined to pay foreign contractors l debts owed so as to maintain an amiable relationship with foreign governments and non-government financial agencies. We have decided to include our bills for approval with the co-operation of some officials of the federal ministry of finance (F.M.F) and the central bank of Nigeria (C.B.N). We are seeking your assistance in providing us with a good company account or any other offshore bank account into which we can remit this money by acting our main partner and trustee or acting as the original contractor. This we can do by swapping of account information and changing of beneficiary and other pertinent information to apply for payment. By this act, we would be using your company information to apply for payment, and prepare letters of claim and job description on behalf of your company. This process would be an internal arrangement with the departments concerned. I have the authority of my partners involved to propose that should you be willing to assist us in this transaction, your share as compensation will be us$6.2 million (20%), us$21.7 million (70%) for us and us$3.1 (10%) for taxation and miscellaneous expenses. The business itself is 100% safe, provided you treat it with utmost secrecy and confidentiality. Also your area of specialization is not m hindrance to the successful execution of this transaction. I have reposed my confidence in you and hope that you will not disappoint me. Please fax your response to my confidential fax number 234 1 7591666 to indicate your willingness in assisting us. I will bring the complete picture of the transaction to your knowledge when I have heard from you. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 7406 bytes Desc: not available URL: From declan at well.com Mon Jun 18 10:20:28 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:20:28 -0700 Subject: Ex-GOP senator's wife pleads to email attack campaign In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010618101831.02020970@mail.well.com> Interesting. BTW the state appears to be claiming that they took care of the _McIntyre_ problems by rewriting the statute post-decision to only apply to pseudonymous/anonymous messages written by someone affiliated with a campaign. So in other words, you could write stuff under a nym, but someone on the campaign staff could not. (Note I'm not saying this makes the statute constitutional, but that it's not as broad as it could be.) -Declan At 05:15 PM 6/18/01 +0000, robbin stewart wrote: >Matt, Declan, thanks for bringing this to my attention. >It's worse than it looks at first. The prosecutor isn't claiming the >content of the message was untrue, but that using a "katie" psuedonym was >the falsity making the messages criminal. > >I don't keep up on minnesota politics too well. Was the fall election >close, and did the publicity around the case have much impact? >It's fairly unusual for an incumbent senator to lose. > >I just noticed that this was a -federal- election. Therefor any minnesota >statutes on this topic are preempted by the FECA (441a or d or something.) > >Arguably, what we have here is a case where the balance of the US Senate >was shifted because of an illegal conspiracy to violate the civil rights >of the (future) wife of a senator, by charging her under a statute which >is unconstitutional as applied to her, as well as probably >unconstitutional per se, under the minnesota constitution and McIntyre. >[There would also be a malicious prosecution issue.] > >I detect the presence of my old nemisis J Bradley King, currently the >director of the Minn. election division. I will try to contact Samuelson, >the ACLU guy mentioned in the article, before assuming the articles cited >got all the facts right. > >As Matt mentioned, I have a small practice based in Indiana which monitors >and litigates about anonymous election speech on the net. >I would be eager to follow up on this case. >My bottleneck is that I don't have cocounsel for states other than Indiana >- I welcome solutions to this problem. >More info at http://communities.msn.com/robbinstewart > >>From: Declan McCullagh >>To: Matthew Gaylor >In-Reply-To>Matt: That's a good point, and I should have highlighted it in >my article. >> >>No, she's not alleged to have said anything that was untrue. If she did, >>Ciersi could have sued for libel rather than relying on the state to >>prosecute. >> >>-Declan >> >>At 01:11 PM 6/15/01 -0400, Matthew Gaylor wrote: >>>Declan McCullagh wrote: >>>> * Gunhus is accused of using a Hotmail account (Katie Stevens -- >>>> kylomb at hotmail.com) to send the disparaging email messages, which >>>> talked about how Ciresi had represented corporate polluters and >>>> anti-union companies. >>> >>>Is what she wrote being alleged to be untrue? From my perspective >>>disparaging politicians is like shooting fish in a barrel. Usually all >>>that is needed is to truthfully compare their campaign speeches to their >>>actual voting or other practices. >>> >>>At 9:48 PM -0400 6/14/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>>> * And what about the legal risk to free speech? The Minnesota Civil >>>> Liberties Union reasonably argues that a criminal law that bans >>>> sending pseudonymous messages is unconstitutional. A Supreme Court >>>> decision, McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission >>>> (http://www.epic.org/free_speech/mcintyre.html), says that a >>>> prohibition on the distribution of anonymous campaign literature >>>> violates the First Amendment. The state law seems to be ecumenical in >>>> its application: A Republican has used it to attack the Sierra Club >>>> (http://www.fcregister.com/ziegler11_6_00.htm). >>> >>> >>>I'm being represented by attorney Robbin Stewart (Brother of Cypherpunk >>>Bill Stewart) in an anonymous speech case as we speak. Robin has had >>>several victories in Indianapolis for anon political speech. His first >>>victory was inspired from Freematt's Alerts, Robbin had read some >>>commentary from my list on McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission that >>>prompted him to challenge a city ordinance that ordered him to remove a >>>campaign sign from his residence (The sign didn't have who paid or wrote >>>it written on it.) The ordinance was overturned in the Indiana Supreme >>>Court. >>> >>>Regards, Matt- > >>>Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at >>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ >>>******************************************************************* >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From declan at well.com Mon Jun 18 11:20:46 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:20:46 -0700 Subject: Jim Bell update Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010618111947.02020ad0@mail.well.com> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44567,00.html Jim Bell may have been convicted of intimidating an IRS agent, but the world's most notorious crypto-convict remains undaunted. Bell sent Wired News a copy of his latest legal filings, which include a renewed attempt to fire his court-appointed attorney and a request for an appeal of his conviction to the Supreme Court. Bell is the anarcho-cypherpunk whose political propagandizing and authorship of the "Assassination Politics" essay drew the unwelcome attention of the feds and led to his conviction in April on two of five counts of stalking government agents. He couldn't persuade the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals to overturn his ruling, so now Bell's taking his fight to the nation's highest court. A legal filing in U.S. District Court and the appeals court that Bell wrote from federal prison says that U.S. District Judge Jack Tanner "was essentially incapable of conducting any sort of complete, proper, 'by the book' hearing, from the looks of things." During the trial, Tanner denied all of Bell's requests for witnesses that Bell said would have illuminated unlawful surveillance on the part of government officials. 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ABOUT THIS E-MAIL ------------------------------------- Your registration to NYTimes.com included permission to send you information about new features and services. As a member of the BBBOnline Privacy Program and the TRUSTe privacy program, we are committed to protecting your privacy. To unsubscribe from future mailings, visit: http://www.nytimes.com/unsubscribe?stcell=37073&rd=http://172.16.172.122/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/mcp?p=0392u0393I4BjhI012000mIiq0IhF To change your e-mail address, please go to our help center: http://www.nytimes.com/help?stcell=37073&rd=http://172.16.172.122/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/mcp?p=0392g0393I4BjhI012000mIiq0IhF Suggestions and feedback are welcome at: feedback at nytimes.com. From ravage at ssz.com Mon Jun 18 11:36:55 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:36:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: from IP: Feds will data tap under CALEA (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 18 Jun 2001 10:02:15 -0400 From: "Perry E. Metzger" To: cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: from IP: Feds will data tap under CALEA Forwarded from Interesting People ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:34:44 -0400 Subject: IP: Feds will data tap under CALEA >From: "PAUL JULIEN" >To: >Subject: Feds will data tap under CALEA >Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:48:49 -0400 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > >Dave: > > >From the article below: >"Communications companies carrying packet data have until Sept. 30 to >demonstrate that their systems will permit law enforcement officials to >conduct wiretaps. " > >Paul Julien >Rutherford NJ > > >* > > >http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2773783,00.html > >Unresolved Issues Dog Fed's Data-Tap Efforts >By Doug Brown, Interactive Week >June 11, 2001 > > >Rapid changes in communications technology threaten to make "a big mess" out >of the federal government's ambitious plans to weave wiretapping into the >fabric of the digital age, while a 1994 law grows increasingly outdated. > >While parts of the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act >(CALEA) have already been implemented by phone and other communications >carriers, important areas of the law are being disputed in courtrooms and >mulled over by bureaucrats in the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the >Federal Communications Commission. > >One unresolved issue is how to handle packet data, a technology that was in >its infancy when the law was written, but has since emerged as the leading >method for transmitting voice and data in the Internet age. > >Communications companies carrying packet data have until Sept. 30 to >demonstrate that their systems will permit law enforcement officials to >conduct wiretaps. The industry has filed requests with the FCC to extend the >deadline. The FBI argues that extensions should not be granted. Industry >representatives say they need to figure out a way to separate the packets' >header data from content before they can implement any standards, and the >technological solution to the problem could take years to figure out. It's >up to the FCC to decide how to proceed. > >"We believe the packet issue is going to be around for a long time," said >Rodney Small, an economist in the FCC's office of engineering and technology >who handles CALEA. Industry has "decided it's too expensive to do this, and >they aren't sure what the privacy implications are," Small said. "They are >getting cold feet, legally and financially. Meanwhile, these new >technologies keep developing. . . . On the packet data [issue], there could >be more petitions and it could be a big mess." > >An industry official agreed. "You will see more lawsuits or court >challenges. You'll certainly see carriers filing extensions on packet data >deadlines," said Grant Seiffert, vice president of external affairs and >global policy at the Telecommunications Industry Association, a trade group >representing many telecommunications carriers implicated in the CALEA >regulations. "In a packet world, somebody has to open the packet to look for >the information the FBI is seeking. Is the FBI going to do it? We're not >going to do it unless we are paid to do it. Who is going to be looking over >everyone's shoulders when we open up this information?" > >As the packet data issue looms, industry and civil liberties advocates await >signals from the Bush administration about how new regulators - particularly >FCC commissioners and the new FBI director - plan to approach government >surveillance issues. The agencies' decisions could affect the depth of the >debates. > >"Congress may be re-engaged," Seiffert said. "It's sort of a wait-and-see >game right now." > >"The FBI's credibility is at an all-time low here," said Barry Steinhardt, >associate director at the American Civil Liberties Union. "Attorney General >[John] Ashcroft in the Senate expressed skepticism about a number of >government surveillance programs." > >An FBI spokesman defended work to date, saying: "There has been significant >progress made with the implementation of CALEA," and citing technical >solutions available for wireline and wireless segments of the telecom >industry. > >Some CALEA experts question some of what the FBI has managed to implement >already, charging that the agency installed sophisticated data collection >systems in communications networks that require expensive equipment to >decipher. > >"It's close to a scandal," said Stewart Baker, an attorney and former >general counsel at the National Security Agency who has been involved with >legal challenges to CALEA. "After industry has spent all of this money, it >turns out it's generating all of this data that has to be translated by >special-purpose machines that have to be bought by local law enforcement. >This may have the effect of pricing wiretaps out of the market for a lot of >smaller jurisdictions." > >Baker also said that while CALEA is supposed to apply only to voice >communications, the FBI has been "pretty aggressive" when it delves into the >packet data realm, "trying to persuade people who build data networks that >sooner or later they will have to provide wiretap capability." > >"A year ago, when times were good, everybody leaned towards the view that it >was better to not pick a fight with the FBI," Baker said. "Now it's less >clear that people have the funds to spend on development or to purchase this >stuff, so there could be a serious conflict over this and there is certainly >a difficult question for people who are building Internet Protocol systems." For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/ ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- Perry E. Metzger perry at wasabisystems.com -- Quality NetBSD CDs, Support & Service. http://www.wasabisystems.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From mahaguta at chollian.net Sun Jun 17 22:24:41 2001 From: mahaguta at chollian.net () Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:24:41 +0900 Subject: ʾҽϴ.. ! 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 17571 bytes Desc: not available URL: From schear at lvcm.com Mon Jun 18 14:40:42 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:40:42 -0700 Subject: napster: civil disobedience re: copyright laws In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618143504.03665d78@pop3.lvcm.com> At 05:07 PM 6/13/2001 -0400, you wrote: >excerpt from the article: > >"...Civil disobedience in the face of copyright laws promotes the democratic >ideal that information is a public good, thereby sustaining the Internet >community's founding belief that 'information wants to be free.' " > >i didn't know (as the article explains) that the EU no longer has 'work for >hire' boundaries. rip away... >phillip > >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1276-210-6269374-1.html?tag=bt_pr An interesting article, but not entirely factual. The author states that, "Historically, copyright protections were afforded to promote expressive discourse fundamental to a democratic society." I think a bit of digging shows that not to be the case. ================================================ From http://webserver.law.yale.edu/censor/samuelson.htm The Anglo-American copyright system grew from a private sector function of the English Stationers' Guild in the 15-16th century. It mainly functioned to regulate the book trade to ensure that members of the guild enjoyed monopolies in the books they printed. Conveniently for English authorities, the guild's practices provided an infrastructure for controlling (i.e., suppressing) publication of heretical and seditious materials. The English kings and queens were quite willing to grant to the Stationers' Guild control over the publication of books in the realm in exchange for the guild's promise to refrain from printing such dangerous materials. Until its abolition, the Star Chamber was available to back up judgments emanating from the stationers' private enforcement and censorship system. If the pre-modern copyright system promoted freedom of expression by making books more widely available, this was an incidental byproduct of the market that arose for books, not an intended purpose of the then-prevailing copyright system. Far more harmonious was the relationship between copyright and censorship in that era. Men burned at the stake for writing texts that were critical of the Crown or of established religion. The stationers' copyright regime was part of the apparatus aimed at ensuring that these texts would not be printed or otherwise be widely accessible to the public. ================================================== I think it would be much more accurate to say that copyright's "modern era," which began with the Statute of Anne is about to celebrate its 300 anniversary. However, the fact that a private, pre-modern, copyright form lasted for over a century, which was motivated by the profit of monopoly control and with the government's help censorship, is an important example in understanding how revisionist history is created and should not be ignored. Steve Schear "War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses." --- Major General Smedley Butler, 1933 From info at giganetstore.com Mon Jun 18 07:17:34 2001 From: info at giganetstore.com (info at giganetstore.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:17:34 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Philips=2C_Let=B4s_make_things_better?= Message-ID: <084963517141261WWWSHOPENS@wwwshopens.giganetstore.com> Se procura tecnologia e diversão, a Philips é a resposta! 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Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618171036.03544b40@pop3.lvcm.com> Carnivore 'No Problem' for New E-Mail Encryption If a new software research project proves successful, Web surfers will be able to send secure e-mail and instant messages that are not only automatically encrypted, but are further hidden from prying eyes by a stream of fake data. http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/11281.html From gt_bear at hotmail.com Mon Jun 18 17:15:20 2001 From: gt_bear at hotmail.com (robbin stewart) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:15:20 Subject: Ex-GOP senator's wife pleads to email attack campaign Message-ID: Matt, Declan, thanks for bringing this to my attention. It's worse than it looks at first. The prosecutor isn't claiming the content of the message was untrue, but that using a "katie" psuedonym was the falsity making the messages criminal. I don't keep up on minnesota politics too well. Was the fall election close, and did the publicity around the case have much impact? It's fairly unusual for an incumbent senator to lose. I just noticed that this was a -federal- election. Therefor any minnesota statutes on this topic are preempted by the FECA (441a or d or something.) Arguably, what we have here is a case where the balance of the US Senate was shifted because of an illegal conspiracy to violate the civil rights of the (future) wife of a senator, by charging her under a statute which is unconstitutional as applied to her, as well as probably unconstitutional per se, under the minnesota constitution and McIntyre. [There would also be a malicious prosecution issue.] I detect the presence of my old nemisis J Bradley King, currently the director of the Minn. election division. I will try to contact Samuelson, the ACLU guy mentioned in the article, before assuming the articles cited got all the facts right. As Matt mentioned, I have a small practice based in Indiana which monitors and litigates about anonymous election speech on the net. I would be eager to follow up on this case. My bottleneck is that I don't have cocounsel for states other than Indiana - I welcome solutions to this problem. More info at http://communities.msn.com/robbinstewart >From: Declan McCullagh >To: Matthew Gaylor In-Reply-To>Matt: That's a good point, and I should have highlighted it in my article. > >No, she's not alleged to have said anything that was untrue. If she did, >Ciersi could have sued for libel rather than relying on the state to >prosecute. > >-Declan > >At 01:11 PM 6/15/01 -0400, Matthew Gaylor wrote: >>Declan McCullagh wrote: >>> * Gunhus is accused of using a Hotmail account (Katie Stevens -- >>> kylomb at hotmail.com) to send the disparaging email messages, which >>> talked about how Ciresi had represented corporate polluters and >>> anti-union companies. >> >>Is what she wrote being alleged to be untrue? From my perspective >>disparaging politicians is like shooting fish in a barrel. Usually all >>that is needed is to truthfully compare their campaign speeches to their >>actual voting or other practices. >> >>At 9:48 PM -0400 6/14/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>> * And what about the legal risk to free speech? The Minnesota Civil >>> Liberties Union reasonably argues that a criminal law that bans >>> sending pseudonymous messages is unconstitutional. A Supreme Court >>> decision, McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission >>> (http://www.epic.org/free_speech/mcintyre.html), says that a >>> prohibition on the distribution of anonymous campaign literature >>> violates the First Amendment. The state law seems to be ecumenical in >>> its application: A Republican has used it to attack the Sierra Club >>> (http://www.fcregister.com/ziegler11_6_00.htm). >> >> >>I'm being represented by attorney Robbin Stewart (Brother of Cypherpunk >>Bill Stewart) in an anonymous speech case as we speak. Robin has had >>several victories in Indianapolis for anon political speech. His first >>victory was inspired from Freematt's Alerts, Robbin had read some >>commentary from my list on McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission that >>prompted him to challenge a city ordinance that ordered him to remove a >>campaign sign from his residence (The sign didn't have who paid or wrote >>it written on it.) The ordinance was overturned in the Indiana Supreme >>Court. >> >>Regards, Matt- >>Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ >>******************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From registration at snowball.com Mon Jun 18 17:38:30 2001 From: registration at snowball.com (registration at snowball.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Welcome to IGN.com! Message-ID: <3538050.992911110826.JavaMail.register@snowball.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 2164 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gt_bear at hotmail.com Mon Jun 18 18:02:36 2001 From: gt_bear at hotmail.com (robbin stewart) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:02:36 Subject: Ex-GOP senator's wife pleads to email attack campaign Message-ID: Hi Declan. Er, yes, the state probably appears to be claiming that. The statute has a McIntyre-derived exception for people who spend less than $300 and act as lone gunm...pampleteers. This is an intentional misreading of McIntyre as applying only to little old ladies in tennis shoes. Instead, the ohio statute, including the part applying to candidates, was found facially invalid. See Griset, 1999, and/or Stewart v Taylor (http://communities.msn.com/robbinstewart under cases.) Chandler v Georgia established that candidates for public office don't waive the rights they have as citizens, to be free from warrantless piss-testing (in that case) or from being threatened with jail for using a hotmail account (in this one.) Unfortunately, in McIntyre the court used the term "narrowly tailored", so election authorities, acting in bad faith, have been inserting exceptions (the little old lady exception, the skywriting exception, the vote for smith exception, etc.) and then claiming their version is more narrowly tailored, and thus distinguishable. This becomes an annual event, so my job becomes sissiph....becomes frustrating. On the one hand, I have full employment for life, on the other the conspiracy to benevolently censor online election speech is able to continue its progrom even while losing most of the cases. I have found very little in the way of support from the online community as to using these election cases for establishing a general principle that online speech is protected by state and federal free speech clauses. Instead, most of the case law on our side has come from the ACLU's "indecency" cases. I've been banging my head against a wall on this theme for about three years now, but I'm reaching a point where I'll need some kind of institutional support or will have to go back to having a day job and just do this as a hobby. My bottleneck is that I don't know how to line up cocounsel in the 30-some states that need to be sued over this. Cordially, robbin >From: Declan McCullagh >Interesting. BTW the state appears to be claiming that they took care of >the _McIntyre_ problems by rewriting the statute post-decision to only >apply to pseudonymous/anonymous messages written by someone affiliated with >a campaign. > >So in other words, you could write stuff under a nym, but someone on the >campaign staff could not. > >(Note I'm not saying this makes the statute constitutional, but that it's >not as broad as it could be.) >-Declan >At 05:15 PM 6/18/01 +0000, robbin stewart wrote: >>Matt, Declan, thanks for bringing this to my attention. >>It's worse than it looks at first. The prosecutor isn't claiming the >>content of the message was untrue, but that using a "katie" psuedonym was >>the falsity making the messages criminal. 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Men burned at the stake for writing > > texts that were critical of the Crown or of established religion. The > > stationers' copyright regime was part of the apparatus aimed at ensuring > > that these texts would not be printed or otherwise be widely accessible to > > the public. > >Which men, in England, were burned at the stake for "burned at the stake >for writing >texts that were critical of the Crown"? > >Decapitated maybe, but not burned at the stake... definite revisionist >history in the making here. You'll have to take this up with Pam, as this was quoted from her material. steve From schear at lvcm.com Tue Jun 19 08:06:00 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:06:00 -0700 Subject: napster: civil disobedience re: copyright laws In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010619080440.0365d1a8@pop3.lvcm.com> At 10:44 AM 6/19/2001 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: > > ---------- > > From: Ken Brown[SMTP:k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk] > > Reply To: Ken Brown > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 7:01 AM > > To: Steve Schear > > Cc: Phillip H. Zakas; cypherpunks at lne.com > > Subject: Re: napster: civil disobedience re: copyright laws > > > > Steve Schear posted: > > > > [...] > > > > > ================================================ > > > From http://webserver.law.yale.edu/censor/samuelson.htm > > > > [...] > > > > > Far more harmonious was the relationship between > > > copyright and censorship in that era. Men burned at the stake for > > writing > > > texts that were critical of the Crown or of established religion. The > > > stationers' copyright regime was part of the apparatus aimed at ensuring > > > that these texts would not be printed or otherwise be widely accessible > > to > > > the public. > > > > Which men, in England, were burned at the stake for "burned at the stake > > for writing > > texts that were critical of the Crown"? > > > > Decapitated maybe, but not burned at the stake... definite revisionist > > history in the making here. > > > > Ken > > >Well, there's one, but it's a bit of a stretch: William Tyndale. He was >burned >at the stake for publishing the New Testament in English in 1536, two >years after Henry VIII had made himself the head of the Church of England >with the Act of Supremacy. > >It can be reasonably argued that at that time the Crown and Church were >one and the same in England, and an offense against the State Religion >was an offense against the State. > >However, it's generally true that burning was reserved for religious >offences >(including witchcraft), the axe for acts against the Crown, and hanging for >other criminal cases. > >[Just 2 years later, Henry ordered the production of an official translation >into English, known as the "Great Bible"]. 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The > > stationers' copyright regime was part of the apparatus aimed at ensuring > > that these texts would not be printed or otherwise be widely accessible > to > > the public. > > Which men, in England, were burned at the stake for "burned at the stake > for writing > texts that were critical of the Crown"? > > Decapitated maybe, but not burned at the stake... definite revisionist > history in the making here. > > Ken > Well, there's one, but it's a bit of a stretch: William Tyndale. He was burned at the stake for publishing the New Testament in English in 1536, two years after Henry VIII had made himself the head of the Church of England with the Act of Supremacy. It can be reasonably argued that at that time the Crown and Church were one and the same in England, and an offense against the State Religion was an offense against the State. However, it's generally true that burning was reserved for religious offences (including witchcraft), the axe for acts against the Crown, and hanging for other criminal cases. [Just 2 years later, Henry ordered the production of an official translation into English, known as the "Great Bible"]. Peter Trei From stuart at solunet-infomex.com Tue Jun 19 11:36:10 2001 From: stuart at solunet-infomex.com (Solunet) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:36:10 -0700 Subject: Mexico Manufacturing Directory 2001, 10% discount before end of Friday the 15th of June Message-ID: <992975770.830@dzn.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 3684 bytes Desc: not available URL: From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Tue Jun 19 04:01:43 2001 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:01:43 +0100 Subject: napster: civil disobedience re: copyright laws References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618143504.03665d78@pop3.lvcm.com> Message-ID: <3B2F3116.D75C5051@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Steve Schear posted: [...] > ================================================ > From http://webserver.law.yale.edu/censor/samuelson.htm [...] > Far more harmonious was the relationship between > copyright and censorship in that era. Men burned at the stake for writing > texts that were critical of the Crown or of established religion. The > stationers' copyright regime was part of the apparatus aimed at ensuring > that these texts would not be printed or otherwise be widely accessible to > the public. 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It was submitted by (SummerFun123 at aol.com) on Wednesday, June 20, 192001 at 00:43:57 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : CLICK HERE i just uploaded my new pics :o) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From petro at bounty.org Wed Jun 20 02:55:36 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:55:36 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <20010611090322.A16783@positron.mit.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010607204253.007f6b70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010610192622.00812360@pop.sprynet.com> <20010611090322.A16783@positron.mit.edu> Message-ID: >At 04:56 PM 6/10/01 -0700, petro wrote: >> >> A .300 Win Mag or .338 Laupa will do 1000 to 1500 yard hits >>just as well, in a smaller, cheaper, easier to handle package. > >The .300 Win Mag delivers about 3500 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. >The .50 BMG delivers 13000 ft-lbs. You use a .300 Win Mag for killing >people. You use a .50 BMG for taking out trucks and small structures. Dats what I said. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From petro at bounty.org Wed Jun 20 02:56:38 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:56:38 -0700 Subject: (on Young's "private language") In-Reply-To: <3B24C5DF.9422918F@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> References: <3B24C5DF.9422918F@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Message-ID: >Aimee Farr wrote: > >> Anonymous, (a fellow Sophist? FN1), points out that mass media is written >> for the masses. >> >> A larger point is that THOUGHT PRESUPPOSES LANGUAGE. By limiting your >> language to the lowest common denominator, your limit the 'lodestar' of the >> sign vehicles. American media speaks in the lowest common denominator in the >> interest of social justice and convenience. Some feel it has worked an equal >> injustice by hobbling our ability to THINK. "The limits of my language are >> the limits of my mind." (Wittgenstein) > > >Not in the interests of social justice. In the interests of advertising, >sales, and ratings. To the American media, advertising, sales, and rating *ARE* social justice. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From petro at bounty.org Wed Jun 20 03:01:22 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:01:22 -0700 Subject: Final Score - McVeigh: 168 Feds: 1 In-Reply-To: <200106111719.f5BHJv514675@artifact.psychedelic.net> References: <200106111719.f5BHJv514675@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: >Tim McVeigh's crime then becomes not "murder," but "impersonating a >government." > >I can forgve him for that. It's his sloppiness that's unforgivable. His targets weren't even in the building. >Tim McVeigh's legacy is that it's going to be a *real* long time before >the Federal Government again attacks its citizens with tanks and snipers >for simply saying "no" to a government official, and the term "collateral >damage" is never going to be smugly used again to describe dead children >killed by the American military in some country on the receiving end of a >"message" from our President. Must be nice to have that kind of faith. >History should remember Tim McVeigh as a decorated Gulf War veteran, who >gave his life to save his country, albeit in a rather creative and not >universally appreciated way. > >I can forgive him for that too. You're a nice guy. Forgiving people like that. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From jane0l2l at excite.com Wed Jun 20 03:03:51 2001 From: jane0l2l at excite.com (mario) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:03:51 Subject: Manuf. Production/Contrl Software For $1,495.00. Message-ID: <200106192316.SAA30619@einstein.ssz.com> Job Master, a complete, user friendly Windows based software package, can manage and control your operation from sales quote to shipment. For one week only, Job Master, normally $2,495.00, is on sale for a total price of $1,495.00. In order for you to receive this $1,000.00 savings we must have your order by June 22th. Job Master is designed specifically for small to medium sized manufacturers, and costs many thousands of dollars less than any other even remotely comparable software package. Following is a list of features. If you have any questions, would like to discuss the package further, or if you would like to obtain our Web site address for a total walk through of the program, please call me directly at (661)254-9926(please do not E Mail me back. I may not get your message if you simply hit "Reply" and respond to this message via return E Mail). By way of background, we are a software company, which for some years has specialized in the development of custom software, primarily for small to medium sized manufacturers. Job Master is a distillation of over a million and a half dollars of software we have developed to control and manage the production of our manufacturing clients. Job Master contains the following features: 1. QUOTATION MODULE. In this module, quotes are developed, modified, and produced for sending to your client. A history is kept of all quotes for future reference, or modification for other clients. All quotations and revisions are "auto numbered," including versions. The quotes section allows for the entry of parts/processes, and costing of each, including materials, labor, markup, and taxes. Inventory status can be accessed from this section for reference. 2. SALES ORDER. Once a quotation is accepted, the final quotation information can be transformed into a Sales Order for your client's signature on a "point and click" basis. The Sales Order can be modified and re issued if necessary. A history if kept of all Sales Orders for future reference, or modification for other clients. All sales orders and revisions are "auto numbered," including versions. Inventory status can be accessed from this section for reference. 3. CUSTOMER LETTERS can be created from the Quotation and Sales Order sections. 4. SHOP TRAVELER/WORK ORDER. Once a Sales Order is accepted, the sales order information can be transformed into a shop traveler/work order on a "point and click" basis. Each item on the Sales Order becomes a shop traveler/work order, with each step of production of the item then listed on the traveler/work order. Each such traveler/work order is tied back into the Sales Order. The shop traveler/work order allows for the entry of line items, and notes on each line item. The shop traveler/work order contains a "notes" section. The Shop traveler/work order allows for the storing or attachment of drawings to the traveler/work order. The shop traveler/work order also contains a "drop down," from which standard processes can be selected for inclusion on the shop traveler/work order. The shop traveler/work order numbers progress in order of production sequence, and re numbers them if new steps are added. The shop traveler/work order allows for change orders or revisions, a! nd! numbers changes in sequence of he original shop traveler/work order number; i.e., 100, 100-1, 100-2, etc. All shop traveler/work orders and related revisions are retained in memory for future reference. The shop traveler/work order is bar coded for tracking of production step by step, and production of ongoing client status reports. Bar coding includes the ability for an employee to "swipe" their own ID bar code for recording in the system as to who upgraded what step. The shop traveler/work order function also allows for manual update of production status. The shop traveler/work order allows for quality control sign off, and the final production of certifications, either from a "canned" list, or hand typed in on a case by case basis. 5. INVENTORY. The application includes an inventory section, which allows operations to check materials inventory in and out. The inventory section allows for the comparison of inventory received against a P.O., and produces an "overage/underage" report of inventory received as compared against the P.O. The inventory section allows for the setting of minimum (re-order now!) and maximum inventory amounts, and produces reports showing what inventory needs to be ordered, as well as inventory that is at or above the maximum set to have in house. The inventory section also tracks "partially shipped" orders, which are tied in to the shipping function. This section shows how much completed product under a particular order has been actually shipped to a client, and how much remains to be shipped. The balance is adjusted as shipments are made. 6. REQUEST FOR PURCHASE. The application allows operators to produce a Request For Purchase for accounting for any inventory items, which need to be ordered. Inventory items have a drop down of approved vendors for each item. 7. REQUEST FOR BID. The application allows operators to produce a Request For Bid for accounting to send to Vendors for any inventory items, which need to be ordered. Inventory items have a drop down of approved vendors for each item to which Requests For Bid can be sent. 8. INVOICE. The application produces an invoice/invoice detail for all completed items ready to be billed/shipped to clients. 9. PRODUCTION OUTPUT STATUS. The application produces a date range selectable report on how much product, and the value of the product, which was completed during a selected date range. The application also produces a report on how many orders, and the value of those orders, which remain to be completed during a selected date range. 10. The application produces SHIPPING DOCUMENTS as per selected shippers, and produces a PACKING SLIP. 11. The application has a "FIND" FUNCTION in selected sections, allowing for searches by customer name, work order number, etc. 12. The application has "AUTO FILL;" i.e., when an operator starts to type in a name, number, etc. all related information auto fills after the first few letters or numbers are typed in. Job Master is currently being sold in the marketplace for $2,495.00 per package. However, if we receive your order by June 22th, your total price will be $1,495.00. Again, if you have any questions at all, or would like to place your order, please call me on my direct line, (661) 254-9926. Thank you! Mario Chavez Application Sales, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You have received this newsletter because you signed up for updates on our tracking software. If you want to unsubscribe from this newsletter, please send a reply email with "REMOVE" in the subject line. From jane0l2l at excite.com Wed Jun 20 03:03:51 2001 From: jane0l2l at excite.com (mario) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:03:51 Subject: Manuf. Production/Contrl Software For $1,495.00. Message-ID: <18534976506460@excite.com> Job Master, a complete, user friendly Windows based software package, can manage and control your operation from sales quote to shipment. For one week only, Job Master, normally $2,495.00, is on sale for a total price of $1,495.00. In order for you to receive this $1,000.00 savings we must have your order by June 22th. Job Master is designed specifically for small to medium sized manufacturers, and costs many thousands of dollars less than any other even remotely comparable software package. Following is a list of features. If you have any questions, would like to discuss the package further, or if you would like to obtain our Web site address for a total walk through of the program, please call me directly at (661)254-9926(please do not E Mail me back. I may not get your message if you simply hit "Reply" and respond to this message via return E Mail). By way of background, we are a software company, which for some years has specialized in the development of custom software, primarily for small to medium sized manufacturers. Job Master is a distillation of over a million and a half dollars of software we have developed to control and manage the production of our manufacturing clients. Job Master contains the following features: 1. QUOTATION MODULE. In this module, quotes are developed, modified, and produced for sending to your client. A history is kept of all quotes for future reference, or modification for other clients. All quotations and revisions are "auto numbered," including versions. The quotes section allows for the entry of parts/processes, and costing of each, including materials, labor, markup, and taxes. Inventory status can be accessed from this section for reference. 2. SALES ORDER. Once a quotation is accepted, the final quotation information can be transformed into a Sales Order for your client's signature on a "point and click" basis. The Sales Order can be modified and re issued if necessary. A history if kept of all Sales Orders for future reference, or modification for other clients. All sales orders and revisions are "auto numbered," including versions. Inventory status can be accessed from this section for reference. 3. CUSTOMER LETTERS can be created from the Quotation and Sales Order sections. 4. SHOP TRAVELER/WORK ORDER. Once a Sales Order is accepted, the sales order information can be transformed into a shop traveler/work order on a "point and click" basis. Each item on the Sales Order becomes a shop traveler/work order, with each step of production of the item then listed on the traveler/work order. Each such traveler/work order is tied back into the Sales Order. The shop traveler/work order allows for the entry of line items, and notes on each line item. The shop traveler/work order contains a "notes" section. The Shop traveler/work order allows for the storing or attachment of drawings to the traveler/work order. The shop traveler/work order also contains a "drop down," from which standard processes can be selected for inclusion on the shop traveler/work order. The shop traveler/work order numbers progress in order of production sequence, and re numbers them if new steps are added. The shop traveler/work order allows for change orders or revisions, a! nd! numbers changes in sequence of he original shop traveler/work order number; i.e., 100, 100-1, 100-2, etc. All shop traveler/work orders and related revisions are retained in memory for future reference. The shop traveler/work order is bar coded for tracking of production step by step, and production of ongoing client status reports. Bar coding includes the ability for an employee to "swipe" their own ID bar code for recording in the system as to who upgraded what step. The shop traveler/work order function also allows for manual update of production status. The shop traveler/work order allows for quality control sign off, and the final production of certifications, either from a "canned" list, or hand typed in on a case by case basis. 5. INVENTORY. The application includes an inventory section, which allows operations to check materials inventory in and out. The inventory section allows for the comparison of inventory received against a P.O., and produces an "overage/underage" report of inventory received as compared against the P.O. The inventory section allows for the setting of minimum (re-order now!) and maximum inventory amounts, and produces reports showing what inventory needs to be ordered, as well as inventory that is at or above the maximum set to have in house. The inventory section also tracks "partially shipped" orders, which are tied in to the shipping function. This section shows how much completed product under a particular order has been actually shipped to a client, and how much remains to be shipped. The balance is adjusted as shipments are made. 6. REQUEST FOR PURCHASE. The application allows operators to produce a Request For Purchase for accounting for any inventory items, which need to be ordered. Inventory items have a drop down of approved vendors for each item. 7. REQUEST FOR BID. The application allows operators to produce a Request For Bid for accounting to send to Vendors for any inventory items, which need to be ordered. Inventory items have a drop down of approved vendors for each item to which Requests For Bid can be sent. 8. INVOICE. The application produces an invoice/invoice detail for all completed items ready to be billed/shipped to clients. 9. PRODUCTION OUTPUT STATUS. The application produces a date range selectable report on how much product, and the value of the product, which was completed during a selected date range. The application also produces a report on how many orders, and the value of those orders, which remain to be completed during a selected date range. 10. The application produces SHIPPING DOCUMENTS as per selected shippers, and produces a PACKING SLIP. 11. The application has a "FIND" FUNCTION in selected sections, allowing for searches by customer name, work order number, etc. 12. The application has "AUTO FILL;" i.e., when an operator starts to type in a name, number, etc. all related information auto fills after the first few letters or numbers are typed in. Job Master is currently being sold in the marketplace for $2,495.00 per package. However, if we receive your order by June 22th, your total price will be $1,495.00. Again, if you have any questions at all, or would like to place your order, please call me on my direct line, (661) 254-9926. Thank you! Mario Chavez Application Sales, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You have received this newsletter because you signed up for updates on our tracking software. If you want to unsubscribe from this newsletter, please send a reply email with "REMOVE" in the subject line. From jane0l2l at excite.com Wed Jun 20 03:03:51 2001 From: jane0l2l at excite.com (mario) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:03:51 Subject: Manuf. Production/Contrl Software For $1,495.00. Message-ID: Job Master, a complete, user friendly Windows based software package, can manage and control your operation from sales quote to shipment. For one week only, Job Master, normally $2,495.00, is on sale for a total price of $1,495.00. In order for you to receive this $1,000.00 savings we must have your order by June 22th. Job Master is designed specifically for small to medium sized manufacturers, and costs many thousands of dollars less than any other even remotely comparable software package. Following is a list of features. If you have any questions, would like to discuss the package further, or if you would like to obtain our Web site address for a total walk through of the program, please call me directly at (661)254-9926(please do not E Mail me back. I may not get your message if you simply hit "Reply" and respond to this message via return E Mail). By way of background, we are a software company, which for some years has specialized in the development of custom software, primarily for small to medium sized manufacturers. Job Master is a distillation of over a million and a half dollars of software we have developed to control and manage the production of our manufacturing clients. Job Master contains the following features: 1. QUOTATION MODULE. In this module, quotes are developed, modified, and produced for sending to your client. A history is kept of all quotes for future reference, or modification for other clients. All quotations and revisions are "auto numbered," including versions. The quotes section allows for the entry of parts/processes, and costing of each, including materials, labor, markup, and taxes. Inventory status can be accessed from this section for reference. 2. SALES ORDER. Once a quotation is accepted, the final quotation information can be transformed into a Sales Order for your client's signature on a "point and click" basis. The Sales Order can be modified and re issued if necessary. A history if kept of all Sales Orders for future reference, or modification for other clients. All sales orders and revisions are "auto numbered," including versions. Inventory status can be accessed from this section for reference. 3. CUSTOMER LETTERS can be created from the Quotation and Sales Order sections. 4. SHOP TRAVELER/WORK ORDER. Once a Sales Order is accepted, the sales order information can be transformed into a shop traveler/work order on a "point and click" basis. Each item on the Sales Order becomes a shop traveler/work order, with each step of production of the item then listed on the traveler/work order. Each such traveler/work order is tied back into the Sales Order. The shop traveler/work order allows for the entry of line items, and notes on each line item. The shop traveler/work order contains a "notes" section. The Shop traveler/work order allows for the storing or attachment of drawings to the traveler/work order. The shop traveler/work order also contains a "drop down," from which standard processes can be selected for inclusion on the shop traveler/work order. The shop traveler/work order numbers progress in order of production sequence, and re numbers them if new steps are added. The shop traveler/work order allows for change orders or revisions, a! nd numbers changes in sequence of he original shop traveler/work order number; i.e., 100, 100-1, 100-2, etc. All shop traveler/work orders and related revisions are retained in memory for future reference. The shop traveler/work order is bar coded for tracking of production step by step, and production of ongoing client status reports. Bar coding includes the ability for an employee to "swipe" their own ID bar code for recording in the system as to who upgraded what step. The shop traveler/work order function also allows for manual update of production status. The shop traveler/work order allows for quality control sign off, and the final production of certifications, either from a "canned" list, or hand typed in on a case by case basis. 5. INVENTORY. The application includes an inventory section, which allows operations to check materials inventory in and out. The inventory section allows for the comparison of inventory received against a P.O., and produces an "overage/underage" report of inventory received as compared against the P.O. The inventory section allows for the setting of minimum (re-order now!) and maximum inventory amounts, and produces reports showing what inventory needs to be ordered, as well as inventory that is at or above the maximum set to have in house. The inventory section also tracks "partially shipped" orders, which are tied in to the shipping function. This section shows how much completed product under a particular order has been actually shipped to a client, and how much remains to be shipped. The balance is adjusted as shipments are made. 6. REQUEST FOR PURCHASE. The application allows operators to produce a Request For Purchase for accounting for any inventory items, which need to be ordered. Inventory items have a drop down of approved vendors for each item. 7. REQUEST FOR BID. The application allows operators to produce a Request For Bid for accounting to send to Vendors for any inventory items, which need to be ordered. Inventory items have a drop down of approved vendors for each item to which Requests For Bid can be sent. 8. INVOICE. The application produces an invoice/invoice detail for all completed items ready to be billed/shipped to clients. 9. PRODUCTION OUTPUT STATUS. The application produces a date range selectable report on how much product, and the value of the product, which was completed during a selected date range. The application also produces a report on how many orders, and the value of those orders, which remain to be completed during a selected date range. 10. The application produces SHIPPING DOCUMENTS as per selected shippers, and produces a PACKING SLIP. 11. The application has a "FIND" FUNCTION in selected sections, allowing for searches by customer name, work order number, etc. 12. The application has "AUTO FILL;" i.e., when an operator starts to type in a name, number, etc. all related information auto fills after the first few letters or numbers are typed in. Job Master is currently being sold in the marketplace for $2,495.00 per package. However, if we receive your order by June 22th, your total price will be $1,495.00. Again, if you have any questions at all, or would like to place your order, please call me on my direct line, (661) 254-9926. Thank you! Mario Chavez Application Sales, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You have received this newsletter because you signed up for updates on our tracking software. If you want to unsubscribe from this newsletter, please send a reply email with "REMOVE" in the subject line. From petro at bounty.org Wed Jun 20 03:07:44 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:07:44 -0700 Subject: Pap Smear In-Reply-To: <200106112252.SAA30063@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> References: <200106111600.MAA29162@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> <200106112252.SAA30063@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Message-ID: >And who saw the arousing report in Saturday's New York >Times about the practice of bestiality, yes, sex with >animals, that is now coming out of the closet. The last >taboo is getting its day. One gent goes on talk shows Necrophillia is the last taboo. >Really, in the New York Times, descriptions of French >kissing your dog, and why not, since that is far more >sanitary than doing it with a human. Better that french kissing Stalin. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From jdean at lsuhsc.edu Wed Jun 20 04:52:35 2001 From: jdean at lsuhsc.edu (Dean, James L) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:52:35 -0500 Subject: Rental Cars Now Big Brother Enabled Message-ID: <4DDCE8648ECDD11187910060979C535802BCD522@lsumcbolivar.lsuhsc.edu> Should we put dummy loads on our OnStar transceivers? From jdean at lsuhsc.edu Wed Jun 20 04:52:35 2001 From: jdean at lsuhsc.edu (Dean, James L) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:52:35 -0500 Subject: Rental Cars Now Big Brother Enabled Message-ID: <4DDCE8648ECDD11187910060979C535802BCD522@lsumcbolivar.lsuhs c.edu> Should we put dummy loads on our OnStar transceivers? From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Wed Jun 20 05:24:09 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:24:09 -0500 Subject: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home? Message-ID: <3B3095E9.5BA85748@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/yro/01/06/19/2039216.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Wed Jun 20 05:27:56 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:27:56 -0500 Subject: The Register - Data Protection Registrar on UK data swapping plans Message-ID: <3B3096CC.65E32FFB@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/19826.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Wed Jun 20 05:30:15 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:30:15 -0500 Subject: BBC News | BUSINESS | Protest fear forces World Bank switch Message-ID: <3B309757.138190B2@ssz.com> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1396000/1396508.stm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Wed Jun 20 05:31:07 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:31:07 -0500 Subject: EU elite 'is building a superstate' Message-ID: <3B30978B.34B2D135@ssz.com> http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000114832908976&rtmo=3H3KrHYM&atmo=ggggg3JK&pg=/et/01/6/20/wiea20.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Wed Jun 20 05:35:21 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:35:21 -0500 Subject: Getting Out of Dot-Nowhere Message-ID: <3B309889.4AF83BCA@ssz.com> http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,44625,00.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From vb at ears.au Wed Jun 20 08:17:29 2001 From: vb at ears.au (Victoria Barracks) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:17:29 -0700 Subject: Don't report getting squirted by a kid, go to jail. Message-ID: <3B30BE89.C13DC9A8@wehearyou.com> http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-weizner061201.shtml The first person charged under CCAA, Hector Flores, was a deliveryman for NotFauna.com. Two years ago, while carrying a heavy vase of flowers into the home of a paraplegic customer, he was squirted by one of the customer's kids with a water pistol. The customer apologized and Flores forgot about the matter, but subsequently, when the same child squirted a pizza-delivery man, who reported the incident, the ensuing investigation uncovered the previous assault on Flores. Flores was charged with child abuse for having failed to report the episode, which might have prevented the attack on the pizza deliverer. Convicted and sentenced to two years in a facility for child molesters, Flores appealed, arguing that the law referred only to actual firearms, not to purple water pistols. The court ruled that although the language of the statute read "firearms" and not "actual firearms," the prosecution had nevertheless acted reasonably in extending the state's school policy of zero tolerance to the home. After his release, Flores will be required to register as a child abuser wherever he lives while serving his 19 years' probation. The child will be returned to his family later this year when his parents have completed the state's Violence Begins in the Home crime-prevention program. From bear at sonic.net Wed Jun 20 08:51:59 2001 From: bear at sonic.net (Ray Dillinger) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: >To further expliain, this is no worse than Netscape or IE >starting with their default home pages. Also, if you to >install a non-Microsoft OS, the canned app in the BIOS >can do absolutely nothing. This is not quite true. Search on their site for the acronym "PXE" -- it stands for "Preboot eXtension Environment". I went and hunted on Pheonix's website and came across some interesting things: Aside from the preboot extension environment, which allows apps made by pheonix to run on your hardware before an operating system loads or in the absence of a functioning OS, there is a remote-boot facility, a capability for remote lockout of input from the local user, acess to the machine hardware (including disks, by physical sector and track addressing), etc. They claim it's part of an "Intel's initiative" to make machines "Universally Manageable and Universally Managed." Most of this crap appears to require access to the local ethernet to perform -- it's not a TCP/IP issue until someone uses TCP/IP to subvert another machine on the same local ethernet segment - but from there it looks like they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want with a machine, including remotely flashing the BIOS with new applications for the preboot environment - meaning if they figure out that you're running linux filesystems, they can just change their sector accesses to compensate and get into your files with a preboot extension. Slick, huh? Or they can remotely install an operating system of their choice over the network. Relevant search phrases to turn up a lot of scary shit: "Universally manageable and Universally managed". "Wired for Management" The particular URL that I'm taking this particular paranoia trip on: (It's a pretty long document, look toward the bottom) http://www.phoenix.com/PlatSS/pcplatforms/desktop/PBfeatures.pdf Got a new system with a pheonix BIOS? Congratulations!! Your machine may be among the "universally manageable and universally managed." Isn't that special? Bear From jd at fbi.gov Wed Jun 20 09:11:09 2001 From: jd at fbi.gov (John Doe #2) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:11:09 -0700 Subject: No panties? Message-ID: <3B30CB1C.CFB45911@fbi.gov> At 05:28 PM 6/15/01 +0000, Steve Thompson wrote: >For many reasons, we have been perusing the archives in order to resolve a >number of burning questions. One such question revolves around the the >erstwhile entity, Blanc Weber. Despite much heated discussion on the subject, >a first-order analysis of the archives clearly shows that we may not be >certain on the question of whether or not Blanc wore panties. Odd, we had the same feeling at the time; in fact we suspected that BW was JG. However Declan has a picture of an older woman captioned Blanc Weber, so perhaps not. From honig at sprynet.com Wed Jun 20 09:14:48 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:14:48 -0700 Subject: Analog thoughts In-Reply-To: <20010615214920.67910.qmail@web13204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010620091448.008404a0@pop.sprynet.com> At 02:49 PM 6/15/01 -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote: >What I am interested in is how could this be prevented ? What would be the most >effective way to disable analog audio recording and subsequent digitizing ? >What are the signs to look for ? Is there open-source software for digitizing ? Look for A/D converters which recognize watermarks on chip. From honig at sprynet.com Wed Jun 20 09:22:02 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:22:02 -0700 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> At 03:37 AM 6/16/01 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: >Can anyone figure this out? > >It's a link from the ebay splash page, >so it's "high profile". > >Is it DeCSS? Why would it be? You don't need DeCSS to copy the files on DVDs. From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Wed Jun 20 06:53:33 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:53:33 -0400 Subject: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home? Message-ID: Jim: You really don't have a good memory, do you? We dealt with this topic just 3 weeks ago. Check for the thread 'BIOS Spying' around June 1. At that time I said: --------------- Looking at this, there appears to be smoke without fire. It looks like they don't gather much in the way of data unless you download and install software via phoenixnet. At worst, it's going to reset your homepage once, and you'll pop onto it the first time you start your browser. It's not even clear that this happens without asking. What we really have here is Phoenix abusing it's power over BIOS content to pre-install an app without asking you. Barring further evidence of nefarious activity, we've all got much worse stuff to worry about. The operative quote for this list may be: "The question is not 'Are you paranoid?'. Its: 'Are you paranoid enough?'" (Cadigan). That doesn't mean, however, that it's impossible to be to be *too* paranoid. Peter Trei --------------- To further expliain, this is no worse than Netscape or IE starting with their default home pages. Also, if you to install a non-Microsoft OS, the canned app in the BIOS can do absolutely nothing. > ---------- > From: Jim Choate[SMTP:ravage at einstein.ssz.com] > > http://slashdot.org/yro/01/06/19/2039216.shtml > -- > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Peter Trei From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Wed Jun 20 06:53:33 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:53:33 -0400 Subject: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home? Message-ID: Jim: You really don't have a good memory, do you? We dealt with this topic just 3 weeks ago. Check for the thread 'BIOS Spying' around June 1. At that time I said: --------------- Looking at this, there appears to be smoke without fire. It looks like they don't gather much in the way of data unless you download and install software via phoenixnet. At worst, it's going to reset your homepage once, and you'll pop onto it the first time you start your browser. It's not even clear that this happens without asking. What we really have here is Phoenix abusing it's power over BIOS content to pre-install an app without asking you. Barring further evidence of nefarious activity, we've all got much worse stuff to worry about. The operative quote for this list may be: "The question is not 'Are you paranoid?'. Its: 'Are you paranoid enough?'" (Cadigan). That doesn't mean, however, that it's impossible to be to be *too* paranoid. Peter Trei --------------- To further expliain, this is no worse than Netscape or IE starting with their default home pages. Also, if you to install a non-Microsoft OS, the canned app in the BIOS can do absolutely nothing. > ---------- > From: Jim Choate[SMTP:ravage at einstein.ssz.com] > > http://slashdot.org/yro/01/06/19/2039216.shtml > -- > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Peter Trei From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Wed Jun 20 02:02:31 2001 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:02:31 +0100 Subject: Rental Cars Now Big Brother Enabled References: <200106192230.f5JMU1K24564@artifact.psychedelic.net> Message-ID: <3B3066A7.B380230F@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> He signed the contract, he should pay up. It all looks perfectly fair to me. Of course, if he can afford a decent lawyer, the courts will be tied up for months with debates on the reliability and audit trail of the system that checks the cars speed - I hope for their sake that that company are well-versed in the kind of thing discussed in the Risks list :-) Ken Eric Cordian wrote: > > Amusing little story about a minor rental car company that installed > GPS in all its vehicles, and added fine print to its contracts to say > that they will dock clients $150 each time they exceed the posted speed > limit. > > One customer was unamused when they lifted an extra $450 off his debit > card, and is taking them to court. > > http://www.newmassmedia.com/nac.phtml?code=new&db=nac_fea&ref=16435 > > ----- > > Coming to small claims court: Roadrunner vs. Acme Rent-a-Car. > > By Colleen Van Tassell > Published 06/14/01 > > James Turner is taking Big Brother to small claims court. Turner's taking > his own car. Big Brother's driving a rental. > > A rental outfitted with a high-tech device that tracks your every move. > One that records your speed. One that enables rental car agents to rip off > unsuspecting drivers. > > ... > > When Turner signed Acme's rental agreement last October, he didn't notice > the warning at the top of the contract that read: "Vehicles in excess of > posted speed limit will be charged $150 fee per occurrence. All our > vehicles are GPS equipped." > > ... > > When he returned to New Haven on a Sunday night, he drove to an ATM to get > some cash and discovered his account was drained. There were three > mysterious $150 withdrawals. > > ... > > -- > Eric Michael Cordian 0+ > O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division > "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From georgemw at speakeasy.net Wed Jun 20 10:30:39 2001 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:30:39 -0700 Subject: Don't report getting squirted by a kid, go to jail. In-Reply-To: <3B30BE89.C13DC9A8@wehearyou.com> Message-ID: <3B307B4F.20825.F5BF34C@localhost> On 20 Jun 2001, at 8:17, Victoria Barracks wrote: > http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-weizner061201.shtml > > > The first person charged under CCAA, Hector Flores, was a > deliveryman for NotFauna.com. Umm, you're aware that this article was satire, right? George From bear at sonic.net Wed Jun 20 10:39:04 2001 From: bear at sonic.net (Ray Dillinger) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home? In-Reply-To: <3B308A10.8971.AADA99@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: >On 20 Jun 2001, at 8:51, Ray Dillinger wrote: > >> The particular URL that I'm taking this particular paranoia trip on: >> (It's a pretty long document, look toward the bottom) >> >> http://www.phoenix.com/PlatSS/pcplatforms/desktop/PBfeatures.pdf > >Talk about a paranoia trip... that document is no longer on the >Phoenix website. > >Got a mirror? Hm. Looks like capitalization counts. Sorry, I should have typed: (note capital F in "PBFeatures") http://www.phoenix.com/PlatSS/pcplatforms/desktop/PBFeatures.pdf From jd at fbi.gov Wed Jun 20 10:43:03 2001 From: jd at fbi.gov (John Doe #2) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:43:03 -0700 Subject: No case against teens for Web site Message-ID: <3B30E0A7.9A745326@fbi.gov> In this article, having a password controlling access to a site is partially exculpatory, at least in one opinion. Interesting. Wonder how long/difficult to guess those passwords were? [Cf recently lawsuit where boss sniffed employee's password to employee's private site and boss was nailed under computer-break-in laws] ............. http://www.nyjournalnews.com/westchester/061401/14standdown/ No case against teens for Web site By JONATHAN BANDLER THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original publication: June 14, 2001) NEW CASTLE — Two Chappaqua high school seniors who were arrested for engineering a Web site detailing sexual exploits of some female classmates will not face criminal charges, Westchester District Attorney Jeanine Pirro said yesterday. The two, one 18, the other 17, were to have appeared in Town Court today on charges of second-degree aggravated harassment. Detectives arrested the pair May 30 after learning of the Web site from Horace Greeley High School officials. The males were given summonses to appear in court, but prosecutors never filed formal charges. Pirro said although some of the material on the Web site was "offensive and abhorrent, the content did not rise to the level of criminal conduct." "This is essentially the high-tech version of gossip," said Pirro, who added she read all of the communications posted to the site. "I am offended, I am repulsed and I'm outraged as a mother. (But) this does not violate the Penal Law." The Web site — set up on Yahoo GeoCities and accessible by password — was shut down the day the two males were arrested. Police said 16 Greeley students had the password. As many as 40 girls — mostly seniors — were listed on the site, which included sexual acts they allegedly performed. Pirro said there was no crime because none of the girls were sent any of the Web pages, and the password meant the males kept the information among themselves. Chappaqua schools Superintendent Donald Parker said he wanted to put the issue "behind us" because the district had taken appropriate disciplinary action against the males. He would not detail the discipline but said the males will graduate with their class later this month. Mark Goodman, executive director of the Virginia-based Student Press Law Center, praised Pirro's decision. "A rational prosecutor knows this is just not a case that can be won," he said. "Gossip like that is as old as human culture. I think (the Web site) can be destructive, but it can't be prosecuted criminally." New Castle police refused to release the names of the two males, citing a policy of withholding the names of those 16 to 18 because they could be eligible for "youthful offender" status. State law permits such records to be sealed only by a judge who has received the charges. Police records of the arrests are not protected under the statute dealing with youthful offenders. From mmotyka at lsil.com Wed Jun 20 10:57:14 2001 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (mmotyka at lsil.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:57:14 -0700 Subject: Rental Cars Now Big Brother Enabled Message-ID: <3B30E3FA.6D700758@lsil.com> So now I need to bring Al foil and scotch tape when I travel? From paul at robichaux.net Wed Jun 20 09:14:42 2001 From: paul at robichaux.net (Paul E. Robichaux) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:14:42 -0500 Subject: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home? Message-ID: <163E38AD96AAC044B486CC084AEB0E1F5BED@tornado.robichaux.loca l> Well, where I come from this is useful functionality! In combination with a feature called RIS (remote installation service) in Windows 2000, you can create a library of canned machine images and blast them out to machines over the network. One of our major customers has cut the time necessary to replace a failed machine down to about 15 minutes: plug in the new machine, hit F12 during boot to trigger PXE, lay down the image received from the RIS server, user logs in, and voila! As much as you & I may not like it, in many corporate environments the computer should be no more personalized than the telephone. No one gets emotionally attached to their telephone, and replacing it is a trivial affair-- all the speed dial numbers, voice mail, and so on is stored in a central box. So it is becoming with PCs. As a side note, none of this is even remotely new. Microsoft & Intel, plus their partners, have been pushing variations of this theme for almost 10 years now. My favorite feature is the one that sends a network yell for help via SNMP when someone opens the lid on a machine. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Dillinger [mailto:bear at sonic.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:52 AM > Cc: cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com > Subject: RE: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home? > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > > > >To further expliain, this is no worse than Netscape or IE > >starting with their default home pages. Also, if you to > >install a non-Microsoft OS, the canned app in the BIOS > >can do absolutely nothing. > > This is not quite true. Search on their site for the acronym > "PXE" -- it stands for "Preboot eXtension Environment". > > I went and hunted on Pheonix's website and came across some > interesting things: Aside from the preboot extension environment, > which allows apps made by pheonix to run on your hardware before > an operating system loads or in the absence of a functioning > OS, there is a remote-boot facility, a capability for remote > lockout of input from the local user, acess to the machine > hardware (including disks, by physical sector and track > addressing), etc. They claim it's part of an "Intel's > initiative" to make machines "Universally Manageable and > Universally Managed." > > Most of this crap appears to require access to the local ethernet > to perform -- it's not a TCP/IP issue until someone uses TCP/IP > to subvert another machine on the same local ethernet segment - > but from there it looks like they can pretty much do whatever > the hell they want with a machine, including remotely flashing > the BIOS with new applications for the preboot environment - > meaning if they figure out that you're running linux filesystems, > they can just change their sector accesses to compensate and get > into your files with a preboot extension. Slick, huh? Or they > can remotely install an operating system of their choice over > the network. > > Relevant search phrases to turn up a lot of scary shit: > "Universally manageable and Universally managed". > "Wired for Management" > > > The particular URL that I'm taking this particular paranoia trip > on: (It's a pretty long document, look toward the bottom) > > http://www.phoenix.com/PlatSS/pcplatforms/desktop/PBfeatures.pdf > > Got a new system with a pheonix BIOS? Congratulations!! Your > machine may be among the "universally manageable and universally > managed." Isn't that special? > > Bear From secrets at thaiimail.org Wed Jun 20 09:23:27 2001 From: secrets at thaiimail.org (secrets at thaiimail.org) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 01 11:23:27 EST Subject: MAKE AT LEAST $5000 EVERY WEEK ~ GUARANTEED! Message-ID: <200249362.EBY100599@inathurm100.com> LEARN HOW YOU CAN MAKE AT LEAST $5000 EVERY WEEK ~ GUARANTEED! ABSOLUTELY NO SELLING ~ NOT MLM ~ NO PRODUCTS TO PURCHASE ~ NO RISK! 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B308A10.8971.AADA99@localhost> On 20 Jun 2001, at 8:51, Ray Dillinger wrote: > The particular URL that I'm taking this particular paranoia trip on: > (It's a pretty long document, look toward the bottom) > > http://www.phoenix.com/PlatSS/pcplatforms/desktop/PBfeatures.pdf Talk about a paranoia trip... that document is no longer on the Phoenix website. Got a mirror? -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com roy at scytale.com From Jon.Beets at pacer.com Wed Jun 20 09:40:52 2001 From: Jon.Beets at pacer.com (Jon Beets) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:40:52 -0500 Subject: Don't report getting squirted by a kid, go to jail. References: <3B30BE89.C13DC9A8@wehearyou.com> Message-ID: <008501c0f9a7$c510ef90$03d36b3f@pacer.com> I went to that link and read the entire article and I have some real doubts to its accuracy.... Jon Beets Pacer Communications ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victoria Barracks" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: Don't report getting squirted by a kid, go to jail. > http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-weizner061201.shtml > > > The first person charged under CCAA, Hector Flores, was a > deliveryman for NotFauna.com. Two years ago, > while > carrying a heavy vase of flowers into the home of > a > paraplegic customer, he was squirted by one of > the > customer's kids with a water pistol. The customer > apologized > and Flores forgot about the matter, but > subsequently, when > the same child squirted a pizza-delivery man, who > reported > the incident, the ensuing investigation uncovered > the previous > assault on Flores. Flores was charged with child > abuse for > having failed to report the episode, which might > have > prevented the attack on the pizza deliverer. > Convicted and > sentenced to two years in a facility for child > molesters, Flores > appealed, arguing that the law referred only to > actual > firearms, not to purple water pistols. The court > ruled that > although the language of the statute read > "firearms" and not > "actual firearms," the prosecution had > nevertheless acted > reasonably in extending the state's school policy > of zero > tolerance to the home. > > After his release, Flores will be required to > register as a child > abuser wherever he lives while serving his 19 > years' > probation. The child will be returned to his > family later this > year when his parents have completed the state's > Violence > Begins in the Home crime-prevention program. > > > From dspitz at voyager.net Wed Jun 20 11:57:48 2001 From: dspitz at voyager.net (dspitz at voyager.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:57:48 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.20010620115748.435f598c@pop.voyager.net> # Mail sent to leave-4freeteen-2042227m was converted to these commands: unsubscribe 4freeteen cypherpunks at toad.com confirm end # This is the text of the message that triggered the action: From dspitz at voyager.net Wed Jun 20 11:57:48 2001 From: dspitz at voyager.net (dspitz at voyager.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:57:48 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.20010620115748.435f598c@pop.voyager.net> From bear at sonic.net Wed Jun 20 12:05:03 2001 From: bear at sonic.net (Ray Dillinger) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home? In-Reply-To: <163E38AD96AAC044B486CC084AEB0E1F5BED@tornado.robichaux.loc a l> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Paul E. Robichaux wrote: >Well, where I come from this is useful functionality! In combination with a >feature called RIS (remote installation service) in Windows 2000, you can >create a library of canned machine images and blast them out to machines over >the network. One of our major customers has cut the time necessary to replace >a failed machine down to about 15 minutes: plug in the new machine, hit F12 >during boot to trigger PXE, lay down the image received from the RIS server, >user logs in, and voila! Interesting. So, in theory, someone could do their thing at a central console and next morning everybody at the company could be looking at their new linux desktop? :-) The thought amuses me, but then so does the thought of an outlook virus that installs RedHat. I don't deny that such tools are useful when used as intended. So is a sledgehammer, but that certainly doesn't stop it from being a highly destructive weapon that can be turned against its owner. What gets me is that this contains a HUGE potential for security compromise, and people who don't know it exists aren't being given an opportunity to NOT get it. Bear From paul at robichaux.net Wed Jun 20 10:15:28 2001 From: paul at robichaux.net (Paul E. Robichaux) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:15:28 -0500 Subject: Don't report getting squirted by a kid, go to jail. Message-ID: <163E38AD96AAC044B486CC084AEB0E1F01E943@tornado.robichaux.lo cal> First hint: there's no notfauna.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Beets [mailto:Jon.Beets at pacer.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:41 AM > To: cypherpunks at cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: Don't report getting squirted by a kid, go to jail. > > I went to that link and read the entire article and I have some real > doubts > to its accuracy.... > > Jon Beets > Pacer Communications From kwalker2 at gte.net Wed Jun 20 09:44:07 2001 From: kwalker2 at gte.net (Kelley Walker) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:44:07 -0400 Subject: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010620123646.0369a730@mail.gte.net> At 09:53 AM 6/20/01 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: >Jim: > >You really don't have a good memory, do you? We dealt with this >topic just 3 weeks ago. but, but, but... it wasn't on /. yet so it wasn't real. >Check for the thread 'BIOS Spying' around June 1. well, the thing i was interested in was the _potential_ for using it for nefarious ends. phoenixnet might not be, but who's to say... as you suggested in your closing comments about paranoia which i snipped. anyway, thanks for your comments to my query three weeks ago. i got busy and failed to acknowledge responses. kelley -- Kelley Walker Interpact, Inc. Security Awareness Training www.interpactinc.com Interpact sponsors InfowarCon: Sept 5-6, Washington, D.C. http://www.interpactinc.com/infowarcon.html From mtlxitac at vsnl.com Wed Jun 20 00:15:30 2001 From: mtlxitac at vsnl.com (Metalix Pipes Limited) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:45:30 +0530 Subject: Looking for Join-Venture Partner Message-ID: <002a01c0fa36$c10b5fe0$0d00a8c0@mc19> Metalex Pipes Limited B-23, Mayapuri Industrial Area, Phase-1 New Delhi-110064. 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The concepts of noosphere (Pierre Tielhard de Chardin) and "world brain" (H.G. Wells) are now an imminent reality, and the World Intelligence Center envisioned by Quincy Wright is achievable." o "Eighth, the President must eliminate export restrictions on encryption and recognize that the greatest opportunity of all faces us. We can raise the Internet's security level to where it can handle Presidential communications. The moment we do that, we embrace the world and make it possible for an extraordinary variety of multilateral relationships to bloom in cyberspace." -[]- ~Aimee From rsw at MIT.EDU Wed Jun 20 12:02:39 2001 From: rsw at MIT.EDU (Riad S. Wahby) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:02:39 -0400 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com>; from honig@sprynet.com on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:22:02AM -0700 References: <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> David Honig wrote: > Why would it be? You don't need DeCSS to copy the files on DVDs. No, but you do need to authenticate with the DVD-ROM drive. To do this, at least under Linux, you have to invoke the proper ioctls, and do a cryptographic authentication procedure with the drive. Code to do this is covered under "circumvention device" in the DMCA according to the 2600-MPAA case. If you don't do this authentication, the drives I have worked with will just spit out zeros instead of the real data. -- Riad Wahby rsw at mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105 From bounce-investorsedge-1655339 at lyris.investorsedge Wed Jun 20 15:12:16 2001 From: bounce-investorsedge-1655339 at lyris.investorsedge (InvestorsEdge ListServer) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:12:16 -0700 Subject: Investors Edge Newsletter Message-ID: [BG Capital Group] June 20, 2001 Volume 1 Issue 2 [Image] Dear Investor Over the last year, investors have often suffered through the daily roller coaster of the stock market, a roller coaster whose wheels rest soundly in the tech sector. Investors have been watching their positions dwindle as common sense returned to the market and words like “revenues” and “earnings” once again had meaning. Today, the market seems abuzz with the pursuit of a catchy phrase, “upside potential.” We assume that means future profitability and growth. In contrast to the carefree tech run of the recent past, upside potential must now be combined with a sturdy business plan tested over more than a quarter. You just can’t add “dot com” to a word and hand it to the public. So, while investors still welcome the sex appeal of a story that could be the next eBay, logical investor’s are also finding enthusiasm for companies with balance sheets that confirm their business plans. We believe we’ve found a company with just that sort of promise. The Neptune Society (OTC: BB: NTUN) is a company entrenched in an industry that many of us never realized was quite so profitable, though ultimately, all of us will eventually need. What does this company do? Well, more than likely you’ve seen the ads on television. The Neptune Society provides cremation services in the death care industry; an industry that locks in profits on “Pre-Need” revenues, an industry on the cusp of the aging Baby Boomer generation. The Neptune Society is a company with a record of predictable, positive income results based on a $40 million trust, 55,000 active contracts, and nearly 1,500 appointments scheduled for goods and services every month. According to Neptune chief operating officer (COO) David Schroeder, The Neptune Society has come a very long way. “As a whole, we are very encouraged by our sales. Our revenues are up, our operating efficiency has improved, and we set a record in May for Pre-Need sales and cash collected. Another important factor in our success is in our market share. Across the industry, some companies have experienced up to a 12 percent drop in market share while our market share has increased two to five percent. Our unique management and marketing structure has been extremely effective in delivering results.” Lou Fischler, a top analyst at Banyan Capital Markets, has written an in-depth research report his firm has issued to initiate coverage on The Neptune Society. He took time to talk to us this week. “The company has a good story to tell. Management took a fragmented group of partnerships and unified them into one efficient, consolidated, public company. Taking over the operations and financially engineering them into one operating company is impressive. They can now start to focus on accelerating their marketing, producing growth, and implementing their business model. “The company’s true operating adjusted cash-flow for the first quarter was approximately $500,000. Now with its operating structure firmly in place, it is positioned to concentrate more of its resources to drive Pre-Need sales and generate more and more cash flow. Because of Neptune’s revenue recognition policy and significant non-cash expenses, its reported financial results tend to understate its real operating performance. As a result, cash flow is more relevant in determining value than net earnings for this company. The management at the Neptune Society has jumped some very high hurdles and landed on its feet. The company is a major player in its industry and its year-over-year numbers are outstanding.” Sound Interesting? Take a look at these bullet points: The Neptune Society offers new investors and current shareholders a fundamentally sound business model and four unique elements that are significant to growth. EXISTING ASSETS When the trust was established in 1988 its beginning marker was $0. In 1994 it had risen to $16 million and now, in 2001, the total pre-funded cremation arrangements exceed $40 million. With Neptune's continued expansion, estimates for the fund are $74 million by 2004. SALES The trust supports a growing bottom line. Cremation costs 50-80% less than traditional burials and Pre-Need contracts at the Neptune Society have grown at an annual compound rate of 32.7% from 1998 to 2000 with a historical cancellation rate for Pre-Need services at less than one percent. REVENUES In addition to the company’s main channels of revenues, the Neptune Society also benefits from sales that include registration services like a travel rider that ranges from $50-300, and is immediately recognized as revenue and an 8% interest charge in California and Oregon on Pre-Need installment programs SOLID MANAGEMENT During the past two years, a talented group of four senior executives has been recruited to operate Neptune. Collectively, these executives possess substantial functional expertise and over 100 years of combined experience in the cremation industry. Marco Markin became the first member of Neptune’ current management team when he became a member of Neptune’s Board of Directors in June 1999 and its President and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) in September 1999. David L. Schroeder was recruited to be Neptune’s Chief Operating Officer (COO) on June 1, 2000, and became a Director and its Secretary in November 2000. Rodney M. Bagley became a Director, the Chief Financial Officer and the Treasurer of Neptune in November 2000. Gary I. Harris became Neptune’s National Sales Manager and a Director in March 2000. [Image] Contact The Neptune Society Management: Marco Markin, President & CEO Corporate Headquarters 3500 W. Olive Suite # 1430 Burbank, CA 91505 Telephone: 888-637-8863 E-mail: info at neptunesociety.com Visit The Neptune Society on the Web:Click here We welcome investors to keep an eye on the Neptune Society. Watch for a research report to be issued by Banyan Capital Markets. We invite you to investigate the Neptune Society, trading symbol NTUN, by using the following links. Links to more information: Recent SEC Filings click here Click here for Financial Chart For Trading Technicals click here For current stock quote click here Disclaimer: The information contained herein is based on news releases or other reports written and disseminated entirely by the subject company. Any information, opinions or analysis regarding the subject company to which Investors Edge has provided a link or other detail are provided by sources believed to be reliable but no representation, expressed or implied, is made as to its accuracy, completeness or correctness. This report is for information purposes only and should not be used as the basis for any investment decision. Although Investors Edge has not been compensated for dissemination and posting of this information, Investors Edge, its owners, agents affiliates and employees may from time to time have either a long or short position in securities mentioned. This constitutes a conflict of interest as to our ability to remain objective in our communication regarding the subject company. Write or call Investors Edge for detailed disclosure as required by Rule 17b of the Securities Act of 1933/1934. Investors Edge and its owners, agents and employees are not investment advisors and this report is not investment advice. This information is neither a solicitation to buy nor an offer to sell securities. Information contained herein contains forward-looking statements and is subject to significant risks and uncertainties, which will affect the results. The opinions contained herein reflect our current judgment and are subject to change without notice. Information contained herein may not be reproduced in whole or in part without the express written consent of Investors Edge (Copyright 2001.) Safe Harbor Statement: This press release may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended. Readers/Investors are cautioned that the forward- looking statements are inherently uncertain, including statements related to the Company’s business strategy, success of its acquisitions, its ability to integrate its current business strategies into its existing operations and the Company’s expectations for future success. Actual performance and results of operations may differ materially from those projected or suggested. The forward-looking statements contained herein represent the Company’s judgment as of the date of this release, and the Company cautions the reader not to place undue reliance on such statements. These forward-looking statements should not be reprinted, reiterated nor considered an inducement for investment. 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In-Reply-To: References: <163E38AD96AAC044B486CC084AEB0E1F5BED@tornado.robichaux.loc a l> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010620151428.008428c0@pop.sprynet.com> At 12:05 PM 6/20/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: >at their new linux desktop? :-) The thought amuses me, but then so >does the thought of an outlook virus that installs RedHat. Note to virus authors: the RedHat installation mentioned above ought to be configured to have the look und feel of WinWhatever so the virus is undetected for as long as possible. But you knew that. From honig at sprynet.com Wed Jun 20 15:16:25 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:16:25 -0700 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> At 03:02 PM 6/20/01 -0400, Riad S. Wahby wrote: >David Honig wrote: >> Why would it be? You don't need DeCSS to copy the files on DVDs. > >No, but you do need to authenticate with the DVD-ROM drive. To do >this, at least under Linux, you have to invoke the proper ioctls, and Linux is a well known anti-american operating system. :-P >do a cryptographic authentication procedure with the drive. Code to >do this is covered under "circumvention device" in the DMCA according >to the 2600-MPAA case. Not if you have lawfully paid for the content. >If you don't do this authentication, the drives I have worked with >will just spit out zeros instead of the real data. If a cartridge doesn't have (C) SEGA in it, it won't play... ergo, (C) SEGA is not protected. GAME OVER. Cheers, dh From honig at sprynet.com Wed Jun 20 15:17:19 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:17:19 -0700 Subject: Steele's brain on intelligence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010620151719.00845350@pop.sprynet.com> At 03:00 PM 6/20/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > >accumulated knowledge. The concepts of noosphere (Pierre Tielhard de >Chardin) and "world brain" (H.G. Wells) are now an imminent reality, and the >World Intelligence Center envisioned by Quincy Wright is achievable." See also Vannevar Bush on the Memex (a world memory). From support at atcohome.com Wed Jun 20 02:58:41 2001 From: support at atcohome.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nirav_Vasavada?=) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:28:41 +0530 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Business_Opportunity?= Message-ID: <200106201528593.SM00207@ns1.atcomusa.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Within the city, time is measured in femtosecondsone million billionth of a second, and scientists work in secret to develop computers capable of performing more than one septillion (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) operations every second. --- If they ever build such a computer (or 1.000.000 of them) what would that mean for today's key lengths ? I am curious how long a computer capable of a septillion operations per second would take to crack one 128 bit or 256 bit key. Or a RSA 1024 or 2048 bit key for that matter ... Greetings, Barry. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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See all the newest and best teen photos, live videos, streaming movies, and downloadable hardcore flicks! 100% FREE 100% FREE 100% FREE 100% FREE 100% FREE 100% FREE 100% FREE Click for FREE instant access http://www.purenudeteens.com/live/ http://www.purenudeteens.com/live/ http://www.purenudeteens.com/live/ To get us to stop mailing you, click the following link: http://www.purenudeteens.com/db From bear at sonic.net Wed Jun 20 16:09:41 2001 From: bear at sonic.net (Ray Dillinger) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FBI security...again In-Reply-To: <200106202229.SAA24537@www8.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 George at orwellian.org wrote: >http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-FBI-Arrest.html ># LAS VEGAS (AP) -- An FBI security expert who had access to ># informant identities and witness lists has been charged with ># selling classified files to organized crime figures and others ># under investigation. Uh huh. These clowns sell *each other* down the river, and then expect us to trust them with *our* keys. This is not a symptom of an organization I want to trust - ever. Bear From bounce-stocknight-163101 at lyris.stocknight.com Wed Jun 20 16:10:52 2001 From: bounce-stocknight-163101 at lyris.stocknight.com (Stocknight ListServer) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:10:52 -0700 Subject: Breaking News!!! Message-ID: [Stocknight.com] [Image] [Image] Issue 8 June 20, 2001 Editor's Note [Image] Today, StockNight brings to you a substantial press release from a company with a business plan a little different from those we normally feature. The release, issued close to the end of trading today, announces the listing of The Neptune Society on the OTC bulletin board. The company had been trading on the Pink Sheets in the $5 range before this long awaited announcement. The Neptune Society (otcbb: NTUN). [Image] Headquartered in Burbank, CA., The Neptune Society Inc. is one of North America's largest cremation specialists, and is the only publicly traded company dealing solely in cremation services. The Neptune Society, operating for nearly three decades with locations in California, Florida, New York, Washington, Iowa, Oregon and Arizona has provided thousands of cremation services and currently has close to 60,000 active contracts and nearly $40 million in trust in its unique Pre-Need program. The Neptune Society's goal is to provide a simple, dignified and economic alternative to the traditional funeral burial service system. Breaking News [Image] The Neptune Society Receives Approval on Its Form 211. Company Now Listed on the OTC Bulletin Board. BURBANK, Calif., June 20 -- The Neptune Society (OTC Bulletin Board: NTUN), one of the country's largest publicly traded cremation specialists, announced today that the Form 211 that has been filed by Herzog Heine Geduld, a Merrill Lynch Company, has been approved and The Neptune Society has returned to trading on the National Association Securities Dealers Over-The-Counter Bulletin Board. The Neptune Society Inc. is one of North America's largest cremation specialists, and is the only publicly traded company with a business strategy that focuses solely on providing cremation services. The Company believes its competitive strategy coupled with a selective acquisition and expansion program will enable the Company to establish itself as a leader in the cremation service industry and maximize shareholder value. Neptune's plan is to become the largest and most trusted name in the cremation service industry. During the last 12 months, the Company completed three strategic acquisition/mergers in Washington, Oregon and Iowa and opened one new office in the Seattle, Washington area, resulting in a market presence serving approximately five million people in Washington, Oregon and Iowa. As a result of these acquisitions, the Neptune Society now has a market presence in seven different states, including California, Florida and New York. The Neptune Society is currently planning two additional ``start-up'' locations, which are anticipated to be opened this year. The targeted market areas have a total population in excess of another two and one half million people. In addition, the Company is examining four new states as possible locations for ``start-up'' locations during 2002. The Company believes that continued growth and development of The Neptune Society brand name will assist the Company in achieving its goal of becoming the largest provider of cremation services in the United States. An added benefit to the Portland, Oregon transaction is that The Apogee Companies, Inc. has become a major shareholder in the Neptune Society. Roy P. Disney (of the Disney family), and Apogee's Chairman said, ``We will miss having CMC as one of our Apogee Companies, but we are looking forward to becoming part of a much bigger effort with our new friends down the street at Neptune.'' Marco Markin, President and CEO of the Neptune Society, said, ``I am happy that the Neptune Society is now a full reporting company with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and more importantly with the growth that Neptune has achieved over the last 18 months. Market share in Washington, Oregon and Iowa has surpassed our expectations and we foresee continued growth in these states.'' For further information regarding Neptune Society contact: Gary R. Loffredo, Director (800) 535-7935 www.neptunesociety.com Headquartered in Burbank, CA., The Neptune Society Inc. is one of North America's largest cremation specialists, and is the only publicly traded company dealing solely in cremation services. The Neptune Society, operating for nearly three decades with locations in California, Florida, New York, Washington, Iowa, Oregon and Arizona has provided thousands of cremation services and currently has close to 60,000 active contracts and nearly $40 million in trust in its unique Pre-Need program. The Neptune Society's goal is to provide a simple, dignified and economic alternative to the traditional funeral burial service system. Disclaimer: This press release may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended. Readers/Investors are cautioned that the forward-looking statements are inherently uncertain, including statements related to the Company's business strategy, success of its acquisitions, its ability to implement its current business and growth strategies, the ability to implement acquisitions and start up offices into its existing operations, its ability to obtain sufficient financing to fund its proposed growth, the Company's ability to develop its brand name and effectively market its services and the Company's expectations for future success. Actual performance and results of operations may differ materially from those projected or suggested. The forward-looking statements contained herein represent the Company's judgment as of the date of this release, and the Company cautions the reader not to place undue reliance on such statements. These forward-looking statements should not be reprinted, reiterated nor considered an inducement for investment. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 13944 bytes Desc: not available URL: From georgemw at speakeasy.net Wed Jun 20 17:15:57 2001 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:15:57 -0700 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> References: <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3B30DA4D.12688.10CF041A@localhost> On 20 Jun 2001, at 15:16, David Honig wrote: > >do a cryptographic authentication procedure with the drive. Code to > >do this is covered under "circumvention device" in the DMCA according > >to the 2600-MPAA case. > > Not if you have lawfully paid for the content. > have you filed an amicus curiae brief explaining this? If so, how come the case isn't over yet, with the 2600 people victorious. > >If you don't do this authentication, the drives I have worked with > >will just spit out zeros instead of the real data. > > If a cartridge doesn't have (C) SEGA in it, it won't play... ergo, > (C) SEGA is not protected. > > GAME OVER. > > Cheers, > dh > I'm not certain the judges will see things that way. The fact that you need something like DeCSS to view DVDs ON A LINUX BOX might not prove decisive to a judge who might consider the possibility that you could view them some other way, say, with a DVD player. Alternatively, Linus Torvalds could sell his soul and say that source for linux DVD players will NOT be open. I'm not justifying this kind of logic, mind you, just saying that I think it's quite likely that that's the way the ruling is likely to come out. George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jun 20 15:56:30 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:56:30 -0500 Subject: CNN.com - Ashcroft, Senators offer plans to investigate FBI - June 20, 2001 Message-ID: <3B312A1E.7A7F9E72@ssz.com> http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/06/20/fbi.hearing/index.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ListManagerSQL at lyris.dundee.net Wed Jun 20 15:08:52 2001 From: ListManagerSQL at lyris.dundee.net (ListManagerSQL) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:08:52 -0400 Subject: your unsubscribe request Message-ID: As you requested, you have been unsubscribed from 'scientificmarketing'. --- From George at Orwellian.Org Wed Jun 20 15:29:17 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FBI security...again Message-ID: <200106202229.SAA24537@www8.aa.psiweb.com> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-FBI-Arrest.html # # June 20, 2001 F.B.I. Analyst Arrested for Selling Information # to Mafia # # Filed at 4:03 p.m. ET # # LAS VEGAS (AP) -- An FBI security expert who had access to # informant identities and witness lists has been charged with # selling classified files to organized crime figures and others # under investigation. [snip] From gbnewby at ils.unc.edu Wed Jun 20 16:08:07 2001 From: gbnewby at ils.unc.edu (Greg Newby) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:08:07 -0400 Subject: Steele's brain on intelligence In-Reply-To: ; from aimee.farr@pobox.com on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 03:00:51PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010620190806.C13019@ils.unc.edu> In case it's not already obvious, Steele has a clue. I heard him speak at H2K last year. He's either the world's greatest liar, or has a tremendous background and authority on how the goverment handles secret and subversive activities. Although the financial arguments (below) are compelling in themselves, he has a whole other series of arguments that basically point out how incredibly incompetent the government agencies are at dealing with secret data. -- Greg On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 03:00:51PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > > http://www.oss.net/Papers/white/TheNewCraftofIntelligence.doc > The New Craft of Intelligence > Robert David Steele > REVIEW Draft > > Select quotes: > -------------- > o "We are wasting today at least $10 billion a year on secret technical > intelligence collection systems whose fruits cannot be harvested, and we are > about to waste $60 billion over ten years recapitalizing these same secret > technical collection systems, so that we might collect 100 times more > information, and process still less of it." > > o "The center of gravity for both national security and national prosperity > lie now in the private sector and its intellectual property as well as its > accumulated knowledge. The concepts of noosphere (Pierre Tielhard de > Chardin) and "world brain" (H.G. Wells) are now an imminent reality, and the > World Intelligence Center envisioned by Quincy Wright is achievable." > > o "Eighth, the President must eliminate export restrictions on encryption > and recognize that the greatest opportunity of all faces us. We can raise > the Internet's security level to where it can handle Presidential > communications. The moment we do that, we embrace the world and make it > possible for an extraordinary variety of multilateral relationships to bloom > in cyberspace." > > -[]- > > ~Aimee From rsw at MIT.EDU Wed Jun 20 16:30:59 2001 From: rsw at MIT.EDU (Riad S. Wahby) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:30:59 -0400 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com>; from honig@sprynet.com on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 03:16:25PM -0700 References: <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <20010620193059.A3621@positron.mit.edu> David Honig wrote: > Linux is a well known anti-american operating system. :-P :-) Even so, the fact that it's Linux isn't the point. The fact is, you have to do some hardware handshaking before you can read the data. It just happens that it's via an ioctl interface in Linux, and I only mentioned that as a specific example. > Not if you have lawfully paid for the content. Not really. Part of 2600's claim is that DeCSS and css-auth allow people using operating systems without officially licensed DVD player software (with development cost starting at $20k just for the license to implement the standard) to view DVDs that they purchased. The judge didn't buy it; it doesn't matter that they legally paid for the content, they're accessing it illegally via a "circumvention device." The DMCA, according to the court, clearly prevents the use of DeCSS and css-auth, even in the case that it has a legitimate use, because it circumvents the access control measures built into the DVD standard. > If a cartridge doesn't have (C) SEGA in it, it won't play... ergo, > (C) SEGA is not protected. I don't see how this applies to what I was saying. The reason I tagged this on is to show that one must authenticate if one plans to read the data. Thus, the EBay offering has to use some sort of authentication mechanism. If it uses one that is not officially licensed (read this: upwards of $20k development cost), it is illegal, according to the court. I'm not agreeing with the DMCA, or with the judge's decision regarding DeCSS. Neither are palatable, to say the least. The original question was "can this be done legally." The answer is: if someone paid to develop a licensed implementation of the DVD standard, yes. I don't know of any commercial software that will read the data from the DVD and spit out the raw data, encrypted or not, for writing to a CD. The DVD CCA would never license such a piece of software---its use is too clearly geared towards backup or, as they see it, piracy. -- Riad Wahby rsw at mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105 From measl at mfn.org Wed Jun 20 18:38:53 2001 From: measl at mfn.org (measl at mfn.org) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:38:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Don't report getting squirted by a kid, go to jail. In-Reply-To: <3B30BE89.C13DC9A8@wehearyou.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Victoria Barracks wrote: > The first person charged under CCAA, Hector Flores, was a > deliveryman for NotFauna.com. Two years ago, Flores. Fauna.. Satire. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin at mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From dm128 at microconnect.net Wed Jun 20 17:40:15 2001 From: dm128 at microconnect.net (Drifter) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:40:15 -0400 Subject: Don't report getting squirted by a kid, go to jail. References: <163E38AD96AAC044B486CC084AEB0E1F01E943@tornado.robichaux.lo cal> Message-ID: <003e01c0f9ea$bdee04d0$1a8d7c3f@Annabell> It almost looks like a very well done satire site.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul E. Robichaux" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 1:15 PM Subject: CDR: RE: Don't report getting squirted by a kid, go to jail. > First hint: there's no notfauna.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Beets [mailto:Jon.Beets at pacer.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:41 AM > > To: cypherpunks at cyberpass.net > > Subject: Re: Don't report getting squirted by a kid, go to jail. > > > > I went to that link and read the entire article and I have some real > > doubts > > to its accuracy.... > > > > Jon Beets > > Pacer Communications > From leat32500 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 20 21:15:05 2001 From: leat32500 at earthlink.net (Lea Turgeon) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:15:5 -0700 Subject: Money for Stffing Envelopes Message-ID: <41200164214155880@earthlink.net> Recently I found your website for Stuff Envelopes as a job, My wife and I in the past have tried this type of work, we sent a payment, and never received the job packet they promised, we then call the Better Business Bureau(BBB), and to our surprise we had been taken for a ride(and lost our money); How can we be sure the same thing is not going to happen again. I have gone as far as to Call and E-Mail the BBB they state your company is not what you say it is, and they don't suggest we send any money("Why would you send money to start a job?"), I still am interested but scared to try this type work, How can we be sure that what you say is true? Please e-mail us back, if possible can we speak(Phone), If you have a phone number to call? --- Lea Turgeon --- leat32500 at earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1163 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alan at clueserver.org Wed Jun 20 21:29:28 2001 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan Olsen) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Solaris Opera In-Reply-To: <200106210223.WAA03263@www8.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: When I first saw the subject line, my reaction was "Wow! That is going to be real expensive and you will get damned little for your money." Too much work with Solaris 2.6 lately... On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > I dunno if anyone's interested, but here is: > > # Solaris Press Release: http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20010619.html > # > # Download: http://www.opera.com/download/download.cgi?id=123 > > I'm running it for the first time, not bad at all. > > Had to put an xterm window over the fixed advertising area. > > alan at ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "All power is derived from the barrel of a gnu." - Mao Tse Stallman From George at Orwellian.Org Wed Jun 20 19:23:34 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Solaris Opera Message-ID: <200106210223.WAA03263@www8.aa.psiweb.com> I dunno if anyone's interested, but here is: # Solaris Press Release: http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20010619.html # # Download: http://www.opera.com/download/download.cgi?id=123 I'm running it for the first time, not bad at all. Had to put an xterm window over the fixed advertising area. From George at Orwellian.Org Wed Jun 20 19:29:24 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Consumers Union To Rate Credibility of Web Sites Message-ID: <200106210229.WAA00923@www7.aa.psiweb.com> http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB991751206218456874.htm # # June 21, 2001 # # Consumers Union Project Aims # To Rate Credibility of Web Sites # # By STEPHANIE MILES # WSJ.COM # # Consumers Union, long a trusted name in rating consumer products, # offers online shoppers a window into electronic-commerce sites' # business, security and privacy policies. Now the group wants # to measure another critical component of a Web site: credibility. # # The Web Credibility Project, launched earlier this month, will # focus on how health, travel, advocacy, news and shopping sites # disclose business relationships with the companies and products # they cover or sell, especially when these relationships pose # a potential conflict of interest. Eventually, the group hopes # to draft credibility guidelines to be integrated into # ConsumerReports.org (www.consumerreports.org), the online entity # of Consumer Reports. # # The group has some lofty goals, such as targeting drug companies # who fail to adequately inform consumers about side effects and # indications for drugs promoted online. But it also will focus # on more mundane issues, such as convincing shopping and e-commerce # sites to display business addresses and phone numbers prominently. # # "It's about trying to find a way to get major media and major # e-commerce folks -- people who have a real stake in making sure # the Web is a credible place to do business -- to agree to a set # of standards," says Beau Brendler, director of the project. Mr. # Brendler was previously editorial director at Walt Disney Co. # Internet Group's ABCNews.com. # # While praising the motives behind Consumers Union's latest effort, # some wonder if credibility can be evaluated as easily as everyday # consumer goods such as cars and appliances. # # "Transparency, as a rule, is a good thing. How you actually # accomplish that, I don't know," says Wendell Cochran, director # of the journalism division at American University in Washington, # D.C. "It should be incumbent on a site to give as much information # as they could about who they are. But beyond that, credibility # comes out of a company's performance over a long period of time." # # Open Disclosure # # In devising a set of voluntary standards for Web sites, the # project aims to tackle concerns that consumers browsing cyberspace # don't always see potential conflicts of interest between Web-site # operators and the information they present. # # Consider ibreathe.com (www.ibreathe.com). At first glance, # ibreathe appears to be an independent health-information site, # serving up advice about asthma, allergies and other respiratory # ailments, but visitors have to scroll to the bottom of the page # to learn that the site is operated by GlaxoSmithKline PLC. # Consumers interested in asthma medications, for example, are # provided with information on GlaxoSmithKline drugs. # # GlaxoSmithKline believes the site is clear about its ties to # the drug company. # # "The sponsorship is apparent when one goes to the Web site," # says Lisa Behrens, a spokeswoman for GlaxoSmithKline, noting # that GlaxoSmithKline is a member of the Internet Healthcare # Coalition, which is focused on online ethics for health-infor # mation sites. "There is nothing that in anyway suggests that # this is third-party or independent information," Ms. Behrens # says. # # Still, the company is open to the suggestions of the Web # Credibility Project. "If there's any entity -- Consumers' Union # or others -- who has feedback or suggestions for GlaxoSmithKline, # I'm sure we'd welcome it," Ms. Behrens says. # # But the question of how to come to a consensus on credibility # issues can be tricky. Another example offered by Consumers Union's # Mr. Brendler is the Web site of Keep America Beautiful # (www.kab.org). Mr. Brendler calls Keep America Beautiful an # example of an "astroturf" site -- one that looks like a # grass-roots organization's Web outpost, but is in fact backed # by a corporate or advocacy group. # # Mr. Brendler's prescription for making KAB.org more credible # is for the site to more prominently link to or display the names # of its corporate backers, which Mr. Brendler says include "200 # companies that manufacture aluminum cans, paper goods, glass # bottles and plastics," such as Bethlehem Steel Corp., American # Forest & Paper Association, Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp., # Pacific Gas & Electric and Philip Morris Cos. # # Walt Amacker, vice president and director of communications at # Keep America Beautiful, disagrees that KAB.org is disingenuous # about its backers. The site does include a comprehensive and # easy-to-find list of donors, accessible by two mouse clicks, # he says, which includes "anybody who's given any money through # corporations or foundations through January 2001." # # Although the sponsorship information may not be accessible where # most visitors would expect it to be -- under the heading "About # KAB," for example -- the group does provide a detailed list of # its corporate backers in the section of the site devoted to # fund-raising. # # KAB has never shied away from revealing its corporate backers, # Mr. Amacker says, because part of the purpose of the nonprofit # group is to educate communities about how to prevent litter, # toxic dumping and other misuse of industrial products. Mr. Amacker # points out that KAB was rated "most credible" in a 1998 survey # of environmental organizations conducted by Wirthlin Worldwide, # a research and consulting group. # # Standards Needed # # The idea for creating a set of credibility standards grew out # of a panel discussion at a 1998 conference sponsored by the # Project for Excellence in Journalism and Pew Charitable Trusts. # # Consumers Union received $4.8 million in grants to launch the # Web Credibility Project, including $2.7 million from Pew # Charitable Trusts, $2 million from the Knight Foundation and # $100,000 from the Open Society Institute. # # Consumers Union has shown it understands the online world, # launching ConsumerReports.org in 1997. Online subscriptions cost # $24 a year or $3.95 a month; subscribers to Consumer Reports # magazine are charged an additional $19 a year for the online # version. The site has more than 560,000 subscribers, making it # one of the more successful premium online properties. # # Lately, the site has been branching out, offering its reports # through e-commerce sites such as Amazon.com Inc., CNET Networks # Inc. and Yahoo Inc. # # There are already a variety of services, including comparison # -shopping guides such as BizRate.com Inc. and nonprofit # consumer-protection organizations like the Better Business # Bureau's BBBOnline, that are dedicated to promoting responsibility # online. # # BizRate, which provides its e-commerce ratings information to # ConsumerReports.org, says it is in favor of the new project and # doesn't see it interfering with its own services. For the month # of May, Bizrate.com received about 6.2 million unique visitors, # while ConsumerReports.org had about one million visitors, # according to Jupiter Media Metrix. # # The Web Credibility Project intends to go beyond ratings. The # group also plans to launch a Web site later this year, name an # advisory board of journalists and e-commerce experts, work with # groups such as the Online News Association and give out annual # awards recognizing the most credible sites on the Web. # # Online vs. Offline World # # Still, measuring and regulating the credibility of Internet sites # by asking companies to voluntarily comply with guidelines is # a thorny issue, as the disagreement between Messrs. Brendler # and Amacker over the credibility of the Keep America Beautiful # site illustrates. # # Although voluntary standards can "help set a tone," American # University's Mr. Cochran says, ultimately each site is responsible # for its own reputation. "You can put a seal of approval on # something, but it wouldn't mean anything until enough time had # passed, and enough circumstances had been experienced, for people # to make up their minds." # # The goal of getting sites to voluntarily disclose business # relationships is laudable, but runs the risk of holding online # publishers to a higher standard than offline ones, adds Phil # Brooks, a professor at the Missouri School of Journalism, who # notes that most movies include paid placement of products without # disclosing the financial relationship between the studio and # the product maker. # # "It would be good if there was full, open disclosure of these # kind of marketing practices," Mr. Brooks says. "But as a reality # I don't see that businesses that use online services and digital # media are going to adopt standards that are different than the # standards that are being followed in traditional media." From lyris at mail.4freebucks.com Wed Jun 20 19:35:57 2001 From: lyris at mail.4freebucks.com (Lyris ListManager) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:35:57 -0400 Subject: your unsubscribe request Message-ID: As you requested, you have been unsubscribed from '4freeteen'. --- From love_boy at freemail.hu Wed Jun 20 16:07:51 2001 From: love_boy at freemail.hu (MaciLaci) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:07:51 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <01C0F9E6.84C52200@venusz2-154.dialin.datanet.hu> # Mail sent to leave-scientificmarketing-13171175q was converted to these commands: unsubscribe scientificmarketing cypherpunks at toad.com confirm end # This is the text of the message that triggered the action: From love_boy at freemail.hu Wed Jun 20 16:07:51 2001 From: love_boy at freemail.hu (MaciLaci) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:07:51 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <01C0F9E6.84C52200@venusz2-154.dialin.datanet.hu> From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Thu Jun 21 00:09:44 2001 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FBI frame-job In-Reply-To: <200106210541.BAA22624@www3.aa.psiweb.com> from "George@orwellian.org" at Jun 21, 2001 01:41:40 AM Message-ID: <200106210709.f5L79iR27500@artifact.psychedelic.net> Someone wrote: > # Stella Nickell has never stopped denying she killed her husband > # Bruce with cyanide in 1986. But now her defense team says they > # can prove her innocence. > # Nickell, 57, is serving two 90-year prison terms after being > # found guilty of putting cyanide in a pain-reliever capsule taken > # by her husband and trying to hide the crime by tampering with > # other bottles of the over-the-counter drug, which resulted in > # a second death. I followed this case pretty closely when it broke, and the weight of circumstantial evidence struck me almost entirely as wishful thinking by law enforcement, combined with public hysteria over product tampering at the time. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she just had the misfortune to buy one of several bottles tainted by someone else, and after being traumatized by having her husband die in front of her, got fucked over by the system to boot. That the feds may have withheld evidence that proved her innocence isn't particularly startling either. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. 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To stop additional follow up messages click below: http://www.aweber.com/r.php?i=hotfreshleads&e=cypherpunks%40ssz.com From George at Orwellian.Org Wed Jun 20 22:41:00 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 01:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FBI frame-job Message-ID: <200106210541.BAA11572@www8.aa.psiweb.com> http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/cyanide010606.html # # Newly Revealed Documents Prove Woman Innocent of Cyanide Killings, # PI Says # # Stella Nickell has never stopped denying she killed her husband # Bruce with cyanide in 1986. But now her defense team says they # can prove her innocence. # # Nickell, 57, is serving two 90-year prison terms after being # found guilty of putting cyanide in a pain-reliever capsule taken # by her husband and trying to hide the crime by tampering with # other bottles of the over-the-counter drug, which resulted in # a second death. # # Her case came at a time when the country was reeling from a series # of drug-tampering incidents. # # Now, two private investigators who have been digging into the # Seattle case for 14 months say they can prove her innocence with # documents the FBI never turned over to the defense at the time # of the trial. # # If the claim sounds strangely familiar, think again, says Al # Farr, one of the two sleuths who have been working on the case. # "I know when news first got out there that we were doing this, # some people assumed we were just floating on Tim McVeigh's # coattails," Farr said. "That couldn't be further from the truth." # # The FBI has admitted it failed to turn over more than 4,000 # documents in the case of McVeigh, who faces the death penalty # for the deadly Oklahoma City bombing. [snip] # Then, in October, he was contacted by former FBI lab worker # Frederic Whitehurst, who told him he had 1,000 pages of # FBI documents related to the case that were never seen during # the trial. [snip] From George at Orwellian.Org Wed Jun 20 22:41:40 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 01:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FBI frame-job Message-ID: <200106210541.BAA22624@www3.aa.psiweb.com> http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/cyanide010606.html # # Newly Revealed Documents Prove Woman Innocent of Cyanide Killings, # PI Says # # Stella Nickell has never stopped denying she killed her husband # Bruce with cyanide in 1986. But now her defense team says they # can prove her innocence. # # Nickell, 57, is serving two 90-year prison terms after being # found guilty of putting cyanide in a pain-reliever capsule taken # by her husband and trying to hide the crime by tampering with # other bottles of the over-the-counter drug, which resulted in # a second death. # # Her case came at a time when the country was reeling from a series # of drug-tampering incidents. # # Now, two private investigators who have been digging into the # Seattle case for 14 months say they can prove her innocence with # documents the FBI never turned over to the defense at the time # of the trial. # # If the claim sounds strangely familiar, think again, says Al # Farr, one of the two sleuths who have been working on the case. # "I know when news first got out there that we were doing this, # some people assumed we were just floating on Tim McVeigh's # coattails," Farr said. "That couldn't be further from the truth." # # The FBI has admitted it failed to turn over more than 4,000 # documents in the case of McVeigh, who faces the death penalty # for the deadly Oklahoma City bombing. [snip] # Then, in October, he was contacted by former FBI lab worker # Frederic Whitehurst, who told him he had 1,000 pages of # FBI documents related to the case that were never seen during # the trial. [snip] From George at Orwellian.Org Wed Jun 20 23:01:08 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 02:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FBI decrypts a madman Message-ID: <200106210601.CAA23325@www3.aa.psiweb.com> Hey, Declan, in your free time, find out about the encryption... http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20010621_108.html # # DUDLEY, Mass. (AP) Nancy Surprise left her 7-year-old son alone # in the car one day while she ran into the post office, and # returned to find a 280-pound man sitting on top of the boy. # # But when the man was hauled into court, Surprise says, prosecutors # insisted the best way to handle the case would be to make him # go far, far away. # # Prosecutors cut a deal in 1991 with the man, Nathaniel Bar-Jonah: # no jail time, two years of probation, and he must keep his promise # to move to Montana and live with his mother. Bar-Jonah headed # west. # # And it is there that he stands accused of crimes far more # horrifying: He is suspected of butchering a little boy and # serving the remains in dishes cooked up for his Montana # neighbors. [snip] # # In 1999, Bar-Jonah was arrested outside a Great Falls, Mont., # elementary school, again dressed as a policeman. He was carrying # a stun gun and pepper spray. # # A search of his house yielded thousands of photographs of boys. # Investigators also found encrypted writings, which the FBI # decoded, about "little boy stew" and "lunch is served on the # patio with roasted child," prosecutors said. Also found was a # list of boys from Massachusetts and Great Falls. [snip] From sector9srf at icytundra.com Thu Jun 21 00:16:37 2001 From: sector9srf at icytundra.com (sector9srf at icytundra.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 02:16:37 -0500 Subject: Play Vegas In Your Own House!!!!! Message-ID: <21aomw5rg3.0xwwew0yg4eg2toi@mail4.icytundra.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 6208 bytes Desc: not available URL: From George at Orwellian.Org Wed Jun 20 23:28:27 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 02:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Aryan Anonymity, White Hoodies Style Message-ID: <200106210628.CAA12999@www8.aa.psiweb.com> http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/klan991019_feature.html # # KKK Sues NYC # Klan Wants to Wear White Hoods # # Norman Siegel of the New York Civil Liberties Union filed suit # against the city and the police commissioner on behalf of the # KKK, alleging its First Amendment rights will be violated if # police do not issue the group a permit to hold a rally. (Ed # Bailey/AP Photo) # # By Donna De La Cruz # # N E W Y O R K, Oct. 19 -The Ku Klux Klan sued the city and # the police department today, alleging its First Amendment rights # to wear its traditional white hoods will be violated if the group # is not issued a permit for a rally Saturday. # # The lawsuit was filed in Manhattan federal court on behalf of # the KKK by the New York Civil Liberties Union. NYCLU Executive # Director Norman Siegel said the group loathes the message of # the KKK, which asked the NYCLU to take the case. # # "But this case is an important First Amendment case," Siegel # said. "Regardless of the message, the First Amendment says people # have a right to express their views. They have a right to # anonymous political activity." # # The city's lawyers did not immediately respond. Two federal judges # - Harold Baer Jr. and Alvin Hellerstein - will hear the KKK's # case, as well as the case of one group who wants to stage a # counterdemonstration - at 4 p.m. on Thursday. # # Hoods Violate Obscure State Statute Last week, the police # department denied the Church of the American Knights - a branch # of the KKK - a permit to gather in front of the New York County # Courthouse at 60 Centre Street in lower Manhattan because the # group planned to wear its traditional white robes and hoods. # # The permit was denied on the grounds that the wearing of hoods # violates a state statute that prohibits groups of people from # congregating in public places while wearing masks or disguising # their faces, except for authorized masquerade parties or other # entertainment. # # Siegel, the NYCLU executive director, said that statute violates # the First Amendment and has rarely been used since it went into # effect 150 years ago. # # In the lawsuit, the KKK contends its members wear the hoods to # protect their identities because they've been subjected to # retaliation because of their views. KKK National Imperial Grand # Wizard Jeff Berry has also said the hood is part of the group's # "religious attire." # # Berry, who lives in Butler, Ind., did not return a telephone # call for comment today. # # Counterdemonstrations Planned # # In the lawsuit, the KKK said it expects between 50 to 80 people # to attend its rally, slated for 2 p.m. to 4 p.m. # # Three groups - the Partisan Defense Committee, the Latino Officers # Association and a coalition of elected officials, religious # leaders and community activists - have all applied for permits # to stage counterdemonstrations. Police were still reviewing those # permits today. The Partisan Defense Committee is also suing the # city in federal court for the right to hold a counterdemonstr # ation. # # Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said if the KKK rally and counterdemon # strations take place, police officers normally patrolling # elsewhere would have to be called in to ensure that the # demonstrations proceeded safely. # # The Partisan Defense Committee has distributed about 80,000 # leaflets about the protest citywide, said attorney Rachel # Wolkenstein. Coalition members also hope to attract thousands. From estoja at icytundra.com Thu Jun 21 00:59:24 2001 From: estoja at icytundra.com (estoja at icytundra.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 02:59:24 -0500 Subject: BlackJack Anyone???? Message-ID: <27go8k17qc1c8qs.1kmcxj77rn7n6@mail4.icytundra.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From honig at sprynet.com Thu Jun 21 07:53:38 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:53:38 -0700 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <20010620193059.A3621@positron.mit.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010621075338.00845930@pop.sprynet.com> At 07:30 PM 6/20/01 -0400, Riad S. Wahby wrote: > >> Not if you have lawfully paid for the content. > >Not really. Part of 2600's claim is that DeCSS and css-auth allow >people using operating systems without officially licensed DVD player >software (with development cost starting at $20k just for the license >to implement the standard) to view DVDs that they purchased. That is a correct claim by 2600. The >judge didn't buy it; The judge needs to buy steal or rent a clue, as we both know. it doesn't matter that they legally paid for the >content, they're accessing it illegally via a "circumvention device." Its not *illegal* access since *they paid for it*. (For the license to play it; to copy it to other media for play in their cars; to back it up; etc.) >The DMCA, according to the court, clearly prevents the use of DeCSS >and css-auth, even in the case that it has a legitimate use, because >it circumvents the access control measures built into the DVD >standard. We both know that's an incorrect ruling that will be reversed. >> If a cartridge doesn't have (C) SEGA in it, it won't play... ergo, >> (C) SEGA is not protected. > >I don't see how this applies to what I was saying. The SEGA ruling said that whatever you need to do to interoperate is legal ---even including the string "(C) SEGA" in your ROM if the host platform requires it. You bought the DVD, you can play it how you want. The reason I >tagged this on is to show that one must authenticate if one plans to >read the data. Thus, the EBay offering has to use some sort of >authentication mechanism. If it uses one that is not officially >licensed (read this: upwards of $20k development cost), it is illegal, >according to the court. The EBay advert could have been selling "cp" because there was nothing about playback implied. Presumably you would copy your DVD files from CDs onto a hard drive and then play them back. As the ad said, perfectly legal. You don't need to decrypt to copy. >I'm not agreeing with the DMCA, or with the judge's decision regarding >DeCSS. Neither are palatable, to say the least. The original >question was "can this be done legally." The answer is: if someone >paid to develop a licensed implementation of the DVD standard, yes. Can data backup be done legally? Of course. Playback, again, is not what is being offered, in my reading of the ad. I >don't know of any commercial software that will read the data from the >DVD and spit out the raw data, encrypted or not, for writing to a CD. >The DVD CCA would never license such a piece of software---its use is >too clearly geared towards backup or, as they see it, piracy. I'm surprised that any ordinary file manager wouldn't show the DVD files much as they'll show audio CD files as files. [I don't have a DVD player to try this..] From aimee.farr at pobox.com Thu Jun 21 05:54:33 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:54:33 -0500 Subject: Steele's brain on intelligence In-Reply-To: <20010620190806.C13019@ils.unc.edu> Message-ID: Greg Newby wrote: > In case it's not already obvious, Steele has a clue. > I heard him speak at H2K last year. He's either the world's > greatest liar, or has a tremendous background and authority > on how the goverment handles secret and subversive activities. Steele isn't afraid to go out on a limb to fire up a conversation. Whatever your opinion of his ideas, he's called attention to blindspots and destructive mythical mindsets. The big credit infobrokers started out with humble beginnings and shoebox files. Look at them now. Private intelligence, in all its forms, seems like the credit information industry in the early days. My "Intellagora" (I made up a word) and Steele's... literary references... isn't an infobroker, it would munch AND crunch, and be very human. Is a 3-5-7-year end state scenario with a transcontinental private thing-of-some-sort -- resulting in establishment-displacement in ways we might not contemplate -- so far-fetched? Steele strikes me as a serious sentinel (i.e., "move, or move aside"). ~Aimee > On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 03:00:51PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > > > > http://www.oss.net/Papers/white/TheNewCraftofIntelligence.doc > > The New Craft of Intelligence > > Robert David Steele > > REVIEW Draft > > o "The center of gravity for both national security and > national prosperity > > lie now in the private sector and its intellectual property as > well as its > > accumulated knowledge. The concepts of noosphere (Pierre Tielhard de > > Chardin) and "world brain" (H.G. Wells) are now an imminent > reality, and the > > World Intelligence Center envisioned by Quincy Wright is achievable." From honig at sprynet.com Thu Jun 21 07:55:33 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:55:33 -0700 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <3B30DA4D.12688.10CF041A@localhost> References: <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010621075533.00846dd0@pop.sprynet.com> At 05:15 PM 6/20/01 -0700, georgemw at speakeasy.net wrote: >On 20 Jun 2001, at 15:16, David Honig wrote: > >> >do a cryptographic authentication procedure with the drive. Code to >> >do this is covered under "circumvention device" in the DMCA according >> >to the 2600-MPAA case. >> >> Not if you have lawfully paid for the content. >> >have you filed an amicus curiae brief explaining this? If so, how >come the case isn't over yet, with the 2600 people victorious. 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THANK YOU FOR DOING BUSINESS WITH TECHMART! < From aimee.farr at pobox.com Thu Jun 21 08:20:02 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:20:02 -0500 Subject: Steele's brain on intelligence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Trei taunted: > > ---------- > > From: Aimee Farr[SMTP:aimee.farr at pobox.com] > > > > [...] My "Intellagora" (I made > > up a word) and Steele's... literary references... isn't an > infobroker, it > > would munch AND crunch, and be very human. Is a 3-5-7-year end state > > scenario with a transcontinental private thing-of-some-sort -- resulting > > in > > establishment-displacement in ways we might not contemplate -- so > > far-fetched? > [...] > > > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 03:00:51PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > > > > > > http://www.oss.net/Papers/white/TheNewCraftofIntelligence.doc > > > > The New Craft of Intelligence > > > > Robert David Steele > > > Methinks Aimee has been channeling John Young. > > Peter Trei Touche. Eh, I can't touch John Young. Doesn't make to sense to me, either. :-) ~Aimee From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Thu Jun 21 07:24:37 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:24:37 -0400 Subject: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home? Message-ID: Wow. I'm astonished. And upset. thanks, Peter Trei > ---------- > From: Ray Dillinger[SMTP:bear at sonic.net] > Reply To: Ray Dillinger > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:51 AM > Cc: cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com > Subject: RE: Slashdot | Phoenix BIOS Phones Home? > > > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > > > >To further expliain, this is no worse than Netscape or IE > >starting with their default home pages. Also, if you to > >install a non-Microsoft OS, the canned app in the BIOS > >can do absolutely nothing. > > This is not quite true. Search on their site for the acronym > "PXE" -- it stands for "Preboot eXtension Environment". > > I went and hunted on Pheonix's website and came across some > interesting things: Aside from the preboot extension environment, > which allows apps made by pheonix to run on your hardware before > an operating system loads or in the absence of a functioning > OS, there is a remote-boot facility, a capability for remote > lockout of input from the local user, acess to the machine > hardware (including disks, by physical sector and track > addressing), etc. They claim it's part of an "Intel's > initiative" to make machines "Universally Manageable and > Universally Managed." > > Most of this crap appears to require access to the local ethernet > to perform -- it's not a TCP/IP issue until someone uses TCP/IP > to subvert another machine on the same local ethernet segment - > but from there it looks like they can pretty much do whatever > the hell they want with a machine, including remotely flashing > the BIOS with new applications for the preboot environment - > meaning if they figure out that you're running linux filesystems, > they can just change their sector accesses to compensate and get > into your files with a preboot extension. Slick, huh? Or they > can remotely install an operating system of their choice over > the network. > > Relevant search phrases to turn up a lot of scary shit: > "Universally manageable and Universally managed". > "Wired for Management" > > > The particular URL that I'm taking this particular paranoia trip > on: (It's a pretty long document, look toward the bottom) > > http://www.phoenix.com/PlatSS/pcplatforms/desktop/PBfeatures.pdf > > Got a new system with a pheonix BIOS? Congratulations!! Your > machine may be among the "universally manageable and universally > managed." Isn't that special? > > Bear From pckramer at connected.bc.ca Thu Jun 21 10:42:14 2001 From: pckramer at connected.bc.ca (Pieter Kramer) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:42:14 -0700 Subject: Message-ID: <200106221739.KAA08978@connected.bc.ca> hey heres another completely safe hommade bomb thats a little funner heres what you nead 1. a jar with a screw on lid preferably plastic because it dosn't shatter that can hold about a cup of water 2. a small container that can hold three or four tabelspoons of water a film canaster will do fine 3. baking soda 4. vinager 5. water baloon 6. nail (optional) 7. dish soap or bubble bath whatever you got that makes bubbles heres how you do it 1.fill the film container with baking soda but not all the way 2. film the plastic jar with vinager and about some dish soap but no all the way to the top (about four tabelspoons will do it for dish soap but other stuff may take more or less) 3. take the lid of the plastic container poke a very small hole about the radius of a pencil than put the water baloon in it and glue it in good on both sides I suggest a glue gun or wood glue not whight school glue 4. heres the trickey part put the film container in the jar so that it floats you may have to take some baking soda out 5. screw the lid on tight 6. now you nead to be carefull not to tip or bump it at all when you are ready when you are shake it this makes the vinager and baking soda combine making the baloon expand and popping spraying foam everywhere 7. if the baloon doesn't explode look inside if their is lots of vinager left you nead more baking soda if their is lots of baking soda left you nead more vinager 8. if you still cant get it to xplodde glue a nail so it will poke the baloon when the baloon expands WARNING be carefull not to get the foam in youre eyes its vinager so it will sting From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Thu Jun 21 07:44:06 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:44:06 -0400 Subject: Solaris Opera Message-ID: > From: George at orwellian.org[SMTP:George at orwellian.org] > I dunno if anyone's interested, but here is: > # Solaris Press Release: > http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20010619.html > # > # Download: http://www.opera.com/download/download.cgi?id=123 > > I'm running it for the first time, not bad at all. > Had to put an xterm window over the fixed advertising area. > .... and here I was thinking that someone (perhaps Glass?) had written an opera based on Lem's book.... Peter Trei From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Thu Jun 21 07:44:06 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:44:06 -0400 Subject: Solaris Opera Message-ID: > From: George at orwellian.org[SMTP:George at orwellian.org] > I dunno if anyone's interested, but here is: > # Solaris Press Release: > http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20010619.html > # > # Download: http://www.opera.com/download/download.cgi?id=123 > > I'm running it for the first time, not bad at all. > Had to put an xterm window over the fixed advertising area. > .... and here I was thinking that someone (perhaps Glass?) had written an opera based on Lem's book.... Peter Trei From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Thu Jun 21 08:06:34 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:06:34 -0400 Subject: Steele's brain on intelligence Message-ID: > ---------- > From: Aimee Farr[SMTP:aimee.farr at pobox.com] > > [...] My "Intellagora" (I made > up a word) and Steele's... literary references... isn't an infobroker, it > would munch AND crunch, and be very human. Is a 3-5-7-year end state > scenario with a transcontinental private thing-of-some-sort -- resulting > in > establishment-displacement in ways we might not contemplate -- so > far-fetched? [...] > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 03:00:51PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > > > > http://www.oss.net/Papers/white/TheNewCraftofIntelligence.doc > > > The New Craft of Intelligence > > > Robert David Steele > Methinks Aimee has been channeling John Young. Peter Trei From rsw at MIT.EDU Thu Jun 21 08:15:57 2001 From: rsw at MIT.EDU (Riad S. Wahby) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:15:57 -0400 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010621075338.00845930@pop.sprynet.com>; from honig@sprynet.com on Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 07:53:38AM -0700 References: <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620193059.A3621@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010621075338.00845930@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <20010621111557.B11389@positron.mit.edu> David Honig wrote: Up to this point, I agree with everything you have said. > The EBay advert could have been selling "cp" because there was nothing > about playback implied. Presumably you would copy your DVD files > from CDs onto a hard drive and then play them back. As the ad said, > perfectly legal. > > You don't need to decrypt to copy. That's true. However, in order to read data from a DVD, you must first "authenticate" to the DVD player. This is before any decryption takes place. This is a cryptographic handshake mechanism using a key. If you do not perform this handshake, it is not possible to read the data. You are correct that this does not involve decryption. It does, however, involve circumventing a part of the DVD protection mechanism---the one that protects the raw bits from being read off the disk. DVD player software does this handshake directly. It is not handled by the operating system, nor should it be, according to the DVD CCA. No mechanism will be licensed by the DVD CCA that allows the raw bits to be accessed, according to another post on this thread. Thus, you must access the raw bits using unlicensed software---i.e. a circumvention device. To summarize: dd if=/dev/dvd of=pirated.file *does*not*work*. You must first run some sort of program to authenticate with the drive. Then you can dd as much as you like. The problem is with the authentication program---by the DVD CCA's licensing standards, no such program can be legit. Thus, according to the current 2600-MPAA decision, what is being sold on EBay is illegal, assuming that it does what it claims to do. -- Riad Wahby rsw at mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105 From jchoate at us.tivoli.com Thu Jun 21 10:56:07 2001 From: jchoate at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: Byte: Nature v Nurture Message-ID: Speaking of the 'memex'... http://www.byte.com/documents/s=705/BYT20010614S0001/index.htm James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From aimee.farr at pobox.com Thu Jun 21 11:13:21 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:13:21 -0500 Subject: Steele's brain on intelligence In-Reply-To: <3B32371D.B2B4A16F@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Message-ID: Bite my fleece. :-) ~Aimee > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Brown [mailto:k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk] > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:04 PM > To: Trei, Peter > Cc: 'Aimee Farr'; 'cypherpunks at lne.com' > Subject: Re: Steele's brain on intelligence > > > > "Trei, Peter" wrote: > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Aimee Farr[SMTP:aimee.farr at pobox.com] > > > > > > [...] My "Intellagora" (I made > > > up a word) and Steele's... literary references... isn't an > infobroker, it > > > would munch AND crunch, and be very human. Is a 3-5-7-year end state > > > scenario with a transcontinental private thing-of-some-sort > -- resulting > > > in > > > establishment-displacement in ways we might not contemplate -- so > > > far-fetched? > > [...] > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 03:00:51PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.oss.net/Papers/white/TheNewCraftofIntelligence.doc > > > > > The New Craft of Intelligence > > > > > Robert David Steele > > > > > Methinks Aimee has been channeling John Young. > > > > Peter Trei > > More like Hettinga crossed with Tony Hollick (anduril at cix - he featured > in some instantiations of the old net.legends FAQ). > > Ken From jchoate at us.tivoli.com Thu Jun 21 11:16:08 2001 From: jchoate at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:16:08 -0500 Subject: History of Economic Thought Message-ID: http://cepa.newschool.edu/het/home.htm James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From juicy at melontraffickers.com Thu Jun 21 13:20:47 2001 From: juicy at melontraffickers.com (A. Melon) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:20:47 -0700 Subject: Car rental company tracks customer Message-ID: In a case that could help set the bar for the amount of privacy drivers of rental cars can expect, a Connecticut man is suing a local rental company, Acme Rent-a-Car, after it used GPS (Global Positioning System) technology to track him and then fined him $450 for speeding three times. [...] http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2778752,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01 From honig at sprynet.com Thu Jun 21 13:25:44 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:25:44 -0700 Subject: Aryan Anonymity, White Hoodies Style In-Reply-To: <200106210628.CAA12999@www8.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010621132544.0083d2a0@pop.sprynet.com> At 02:28 AM 6/21/01 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: ># police do not issue the group a permit to hold a rally. (Ed Given that the Constitution protects the right to assemble, why do they need a permit? From honig at sprynet.com Thu Jun 21 13:29:40 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:29:40 -0700 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <3B31DF0E.3020105@trustix.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010621132940.00845c00@pop.sprynet.com> At 01:48 PM 6/21/01 +0200, Lars Gaarden wrote: >David Honig wrote: >> Not if you have lawfully paid for the content. > > >As read by the MPAA, the DMCA enable them to sell you a locked house >and then drag you to court if you try to pick the lock. Look everyone, I know the judge at the current level of the legal system needs a lobe job. Why should I take him seriously? >> If a cartridge doesn't have (C) SEGA in it, it won't play... ergo, >> (C) SEGA is not protected. > > >Didn't the original IBM BIOS use this trick. e.g, look for a >'copyright ibm' string in the BIOS image? Dunno. (PS: Note that the (C) SEGA string may be my gisting.) From honig at sprynet.com Thu Jun 21 13:39:41 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:39:41 -0700 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <3B31EA53.2090508@trustix.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620193059.A3621@positron.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010621133941.00847bc0@pop.sprynet.com> At 02:36 PM 6/21/01 +0200, Lars Gaarden wrote: > > >The DVDCCA license requires that DVD equipment never allow access to >the raw digital data. >http://www.dvdcca.org/data/css/css_proc_spec11.pdf If you buy the media (and more importantly, the license to play the content) you can use any hardware/software you like. Period. [1] That some folks (usually synthetic, ie, corps) pay a fee for IP from whoever is irrelevent. The record-pressers can't tell you whose needle to buy. Well they can, but you can ignore them. If you've cleanroom rev-eng'ed what you need to interop. E.g., DeCSS. >This ties in nicely with the content manufacturers' dream of a >tamed digital environment where neither piracy nor fair use is >possible, and everything is pay-per-view, controlled and metered. Where a remotely-readable meter logs all licensed entertainment that's entered your brainstem each month. Tilting at windmills made of sand, DH "All the normalities of the social contract are abandoned in war" Jack Valenti MPAA pres, in LATimes on Kerry's war crimes .......... [1] That remote-music storage dotcom which required you to have a meatspace CD before letting you play the content should have needed *no* license, permit, or blessing from the producers. From larsg at trustix.com Thu Jun 21 04:48:30 2001 From: larsg at trustix.com (Lars Gaarden) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:48:30 +0200 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? References: <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3B31DF0E.3020105@trustix.com> David Honig wrote: > At 03:02 PM 6/20/01 -0400, Riad S. Wahby wrote: > >>David Honig wrote: >>do a cryptographic authentication procedure with the drive. Code to >>do this is covered under "circumvention device" in the DMCA according >>to the 2600-MPAA case. > > Not if you have lawfully paid for the content. As read by the MPAA, the DMCA enable them to sell you a locked house and then drag you to court if you try to pick the lock. >>If you don't do this authentication, the drives I have worked with >>will just spit out zeros instead of the real data. > > If a cartridge doesn't have (C) SEGA in it, it won't play... ergo, > (C) SEGA is not protected. 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If you do not perform this handshake, # it is not possible to read the data. Are these DVD controller chips specially contructed like a clipper chip, or can they be reverse engineered? Sonce the decryption key is known, why can't someone burn a more user-friendly chip? (per manufacturer) From a3495 at cotse.com Thu Jun 21 11:32:52 2001 From: a3495 at cotse.com (a3495 at cotse.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Critiques of Libertarianism Message-ID: <6b10a8bbed127ed54fb37ad92f7696b5@public.webmail.cotse.com> Jim wrote: http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html The "FAQ" is a joke, right? You know this is strictly a bush-league effort when you read: "This diversity of libertarian viewpoints can make it quite difficult to have a coherent discussion with them, because an argument that is valid for or against one type of libertarianism may not apply to other types." ....you mean you actually have to LISTEN to people before you stick them in a conceptual box and slap your two-bit pre-made labels on them??? Say it ain't so!!!! Moron. You can take any philosophical position under the sun and always find idiots and straw men who "support" it to knock around, why should libertarianism be any different. There's plenty of room for real debate here, too bad he's not up for it. Oh well! (You got me to take the troll bait though, not bad... ;) ~Faustine. *** The future science of government should be called "la cybernitique". Andri-Marie Amphre, (1843). From larsg at trustix.com Thu Jun 21 05:36:35 2001 From: larsg at trustix.com (Lars Gaarden) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:36:35 +0200 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? References: <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620193059.A3621@positron.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3B31EA53.2090508@trustix.com> Riad S. Wahby wrote: > I'm not agreeing with the DMCA, or with the judge's decision regarding > DeCSS. Neither are palatable, to say the least. The original > question was "can this be done legally." The answer is: if someone > paid to develop a licensed implementation of the DVD standard, yes. I > don't know of any commercial software that will read the data from the > DVD and spit out the raw data, encrypted or not, for writing to a CD. > The DVD CCA would never license such a piece of software---its use is > too clearly geared towards backup or, as they see it, piracy. The DVDCCA license requires that DVD equipment never allow access to the raw digital data. http://www.dvdcca.org/data/css/css_proc_spec11.pdf It is also quite evident that the MPAA was planning to use CSS as a 'hook' to force DVD player/software/equipment manufacturers to sign this license. Essentially creating a licensing regime protected by law. http://www.wipo.org/eng/meetings/1999/wct_wppt/pdf/imp99_3.pdf This ties in nicely with the content manufacturers' dream of a tamed digital environment where neither piracy nor fair use is possible, and everything is pay-per-view, controlled and metered. http://www.4centity.com/data/tech/cpsa/cpsa081.pdf -- LarsG http://eurorights.org From a3495 at cotse.com Thu Jun 21 11:59:56 2001 From: a3495 at cotse.com (a3495 at cotse.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Steele's brain on intelligence Message-ID: <324d27dd930320eab2a05af013f0d423@public.webmail.cotse.com> Greg Newby wrote: > In case it's not already obvious, Steele has a clue. > I heard him speak at H2K last year. He's either the world's > greatest liar, or has a tremendous background and authority > on how the goverment handles secret and subversive activities. I'd definitely put my money on the latter--he has excellent sources and knows a lot of tremendously cool people. For example, you might be interested in the following book by a man who used to be on the Church Committee who spoke at Steele's conference a couple of months ago. Serious analysis by a brilliant thinker and a real pro. Worth a look! Reshaping National Intelligence for an Age of Information Gregory F. Treverton Description Government intelligence today has many targets, numerous consumers - not all of whom are American or in the government - and too much information, most of which is not owned by the US government and of widely varying reliability. In this bold and penetrating study, Gregory Treverton, former Vice Chair of the National Intelligence Council and Senate investigator, offers his insider's views on how intelligence gathering and analysis must change. He suggests why intelligence needs to be both contrarian, leaning against the conventional wisdom, and attentive to the longer term, leaning against the growing shorter time horizons of Washington policy makers. He urges that the solving of intelligence puzzles tap expertise outside government - in the academy, think tanks, and Wall Street - to make these parties colleagues and co-consumers of intelligence, befitting the changed role of government from doer to convener, mediator, and coalition-builder. Chapter Contents 1. The imperative of reshaping; 2. The world of intelligence beyond 2010; 3. The militarization of intelligence; 4. Designated readers: the open source revolution; 5. Spying, looking and catching criminals; 6. The intelligence of policy; 7. A reshaped intelligence. Price: GBP 24.95 ISBN: 052158096X http://uk.cambridge.org/politics/catalogue/052158096X/default.htm From honig at sprynet.com Thu Jun 21 15:43:44 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:43:44 -0700 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <20010621111557.B11389@positron.mit.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20010621075338.00845930@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620193059.A3621@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010621075338.00845930@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010621154344.00844d00@pop.sprynet.com> At 11:15 AM 6/21/01 -0400, Riad S. Wahby wrote: > >> The EBay advert could have been selling "cp" because there was nothing >> about playback implied. Presumably you would copy your DVD files >> from CDs onto a hard drive and then play them back. As the ad said, >> perfectly legal. >> >> You don't need to decrypt to copy. > >That's true. However, in order to read data from a DVD, you must >first "authenticate" to the DVD player. This is before any decryption >takes place. This is a cryptographic handshake mechanism using a key. >If you do not perform this handshake, it is not possible to read the >data. Yep. But that's not implied by the (probably totally exploitive, BTW) ad. >You are correct that this does not involve decryption. It does, >however, involve circumventing a part of the DVD protection >mechanism---the one that protects the raw bits from being read off the >disk. My argument, to any judges reading, is that its *not* circumvention if you've bought the damn thing, no matter how you decode it. If you paid for satellite TV but you build your own descrambler, its *not* illegal circumvention, even though your gizmo (legally) circumvents access controls. Get it? [Rhetorically; Riad is not the problem :-] Hint: its only illegal if its fraud. DeCSS has nothing to do with fraud. "cp" does. Actually, only humans do, "cp" is not a moral entity. From honig at sprynet.com Thu Jun 21 15:48:46 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:48:46 -0700 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <200106211813.OAA18500@www2.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010621154846.0084c100@pop.sprynet.com> At 02:13 PM 6/21/01 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: >Are these DVD controller chips specially contructed >like a clipper chip, or can they be reverse engineered? Mykotronics don't do DVD, baby... >Sonce the decryption key is known, why can't >someone burn a more user-friendly chip? (per manufacturer) One could, but one also has to deal with US customs, US legal system, US lawyers, etc. If you have the money for chips, you can pay the tithe. Even if you sell software, you're gonna have seizable assets, so you do the homage thang. From honig at sprynet.com Thu Jun 21 15:59:44 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:59:44 -0700 Subject: Critiques of Libertarianism In-Reply-To: References: <6b10a8bbed127ed54fb37ad92f7696b5@public.webmail.cotse.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010621155944.00848390@pop.sprynet.com> At 04:47 PM 6/21/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 a3495 at cotse.com wrote: > >> "This diversity of libertarian viewpoints can make it quite difficult to >> have a coherent discussion with them, because an argument that is valid for >> or against one type of libertarianism may not apply to other types." >> (not having followed this thread) Rand had a similar criticism of libs, they being not explicitly principled (unlike her own system) but agreeing on (political) end results similar to her own. A largely objectivist libertarian, dh From jim_windle at eudoramail.com Thu Jun 21 13:17:59 2001 From: jim_windle at eudoramail.com (Jim Windle) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:17:59 -0400 Subject: Solaris Opera Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:44:06 Trei, Peter wrote: > >.... and here I was thinking that someone (perhaps Glass?) had written an >opera based on Lem's book.... > There is a Russian movie of "Solaris" which is weird but interesting. An opera though, that definitely sounds like Philip Glass. After writing "Nixon in China" and "The Death of Klinghoffer" maybe someone could interest John Adams in the Jim Bell trial. Jim Windle Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Thu Jun 21 13:30:39 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:30:39 -0400 Subject: Solaris Opera Message-ID: > Jim Windle[SMTP:jim_windle at eudoramail.com] wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:44:06 Trei, Peter wrote: > > >.... and here I was thinking that someone (perhaps Glass?) had written an > > >opera based on Lem's book.... > > > There is a Russian movie of "Solaris" which is weird but interesting. An > opera though, that definitely sounds like Philip Glass. After writing > "Nixon > in China" and "The Death of Klinghoffer" maybe someone could interest > John Adams in the Jim Bell trial. > > Jim Windle > Andrei Tartovsky directed Solaris. He's one of my favorite directors - twice I've accidentally flipped to TV onto subtitled Russian movies partway through, gotten fascinated by the film, only to later find that it was by Tartovsky (Andrei Rublyov, Ivan's Childhood). I also strongly reccomend Solaris and especially Stalker. Tartovsky's not for everyone though. Things happen slowly. Tartovsky's films make '2001' seem like 'Raders of the lost ark'. Peter Trei From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Thu Jun 21 14:33:25 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:33:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Cryptobox (was Re: Edupage, June 20, 2001) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tell them to stop as it already exists, get Plan 9. http://plan9.bell-labs.com On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > At 5:08 PM -0600 on 6/20/01, EDUCAUSE wrote: > > > > PRIVATE LIFE > > Researchers at Ottawa University are developing Cryptobox, a > > program that encrypts e-mail, instant messages, and other Internet > > communications. The program works by sending transmissions over > > a peer-to-peer network, scrambling each end of the transmission > > with an encryption code and hiding it underneath a stream of junk > > traffic. The system automatically decodes the transmissions once > > they reach their destinations. The researchers have already > > tested Cryptobox in a network of 40 real and 200 virtual clients > > and report that the test succeeded. Independent researchers are > > skeptical, however. Richard Clayton, a computer scientist at > > Cambridge University, noted, "It's unclear whether they can make > > this work and keep it stable in the real world with millions of > > systems." The program could, if successful on a large scale, > > solve one of the main security vulnerabilities of the Internet. > > Currently, e-mails, instant messages, and many other transmissions > > can be easily intercepted by those with access to key areas of a > > network. > > (New Scientist Online, 18 June 2001) > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Cryptography Mailing List > Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com > -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Thu Jun 21 14:47:10 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:47:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Critiques of Libertarianism In-Reply-To: <6b10a8bbed127ed54fb37ad92f7696b5@public.webmail.cotse.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 a3495 at cotse.com wrote: > "This diversity of libertarian viewpoints can make it quite difficult to > have a coherent discussion with them, because an argument that is valid for > or against one type of libertarianism may not apply to other types." > > ....you mean you actually have to LISTEN to people before you stick them in > a conceptual box and slap your two-bit pre-made labels on them??? Say it > ain't so!!!! Moron. And you're proud you don't have to listen to folks before you stick 'em in a box? Bullshit, Libertarians choose to call themselves by that label, it's a self imposed box. Your criticism is without merit. Or perhaps the ghost of Wittgenstein will walk through you... Further, you misrepresents what he says. Check the archives, various folks have made the distinctions between the various components of CACL quite clear, it's why I always make it clear what the particular 'common character' I am refering to when I 'lump 'em into one box'. It is also clear that a global critique of one 'view' isn't necessarily applicable to the other. In other words, there are a variety of issues with a concomitent multiplicity of views that get pushed into 'libertarian'. His point that this makes it hard to understand the fundamental characters to qualify for 'libertarian' is valid. It also happens to be a valid critique of its practitioners. > You can take any philosophical position under the sun and always find > idiots and straw men who "support" it to knock around, why should > libertarianism be any different. There's plenty of room for real debate > here, too bad he's not up for it. Oh well! Exactly, and if the philosophy can't stand on it's own two feet despite this then it deserves the ignomy it will receive. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From jim_windle at eudoramail.com Thu Jun 21 13:56:23 2001 From: jim_windle at eudoramail.com (Jim Windle) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:56:23 -0400 Subject: Solaris Opera Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:30:39 Trei, Peter wrote: : >- twice >I've >accidentally flipped to TV onto subtitled Russian movies partway through, >gotten >fascinated by the film, only to later find that it was by Tartovsky (Andrei >Rublyov, >Ivan's Childhood). I also strongly reccomend Solaris and especially Stalker. > I picked up Solaris a number of years ago at Tower Records where it was on sale for something like $5. Definitely worthwhile. I have never seen "Stalker" though I suppose now I will have to make the effort to do so. >Tartovsky's not for everyone though. Things happen slowly. 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[Rhetorically; Riad is not the problem :-] > > Hint: its only illegal if its fraud. DeCSS has nothing to do with fraud. > "cp" does. Actually, only humans do, "cp" is not a moral entity. Actually that won't hold up. There is a distinction that you are missing. Do you legally purchase service from that cable vendor? If so then even building your own cable descrambling box may be illegal if the contract says so (you're depriving the cable company of contractual income, fraud?). The only(!!!) way that I can see building your own descrambler and getting away with it is if you have no(!) connection to the vendor, hence they have no claim to a 'loss' since you're not buying any service in the first place. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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Is a 3-5-7-year end state > > scenario with a transcontinental private thing-of-some-sort -- resulting > > in > > establishment-displacement in ways we might not contemplate -- so > > far-fetched? > [...] > > > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 03:00:51PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > > > > > > http://www.oss.net/Papers/white/TheNewCraftofIntelligence.doc > > > > The New Craft of Intelligence > > > > Robert David Steele > > > Methinks Aimee has been channeling John Young. > > Peter Trei More like Hettinga crossed with Tony Hollick (anduril at cix - he featured in some instantiations of the old net.legends FAQ). 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Remember, >this method has been tested, and if altered, it will NOT work !!! >People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking >they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, >and Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. If you do, >it will not work for you. >Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! > > > > > >1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and >REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person >has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune > > >2....Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down toREPORT # 5. > > >3....Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. > > >4....Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 downTO REPORT # 3. > > >5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 > > >6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE >SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! >****Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on >your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. > > >Save this on a disk as well, just in case you loose any data. To assist you >with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase >will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how >to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads >and much more. > > >There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: > > >METHOD # 1:BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY > >Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we >Will assume you and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's >also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response >could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people >will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). >Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% >response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded >by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 >e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and >ordered Report # 2. > > >Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 >e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. > > >Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million >e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report # >4. > > >Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 >(50 million) e-mails. > > > >The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 > > THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). >Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... >$5,000 + 4 .... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 > > >NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT >THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU >CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! > > > >REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE >ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. > >Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even >one 4th of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more? There are >over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, >many people will do just that, and more! > > > >METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET >Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds >of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will >easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 >and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you >must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide >same day service on all orders. > >This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and >address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they >receive the report. > > >========= AVAILABLE REPORTS ============= >ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: > >============================================== >Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY only) for each Report. > >Checks NOT accepted. >Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets >of paper. > > On one of those sheets of paper, Write > > a.The NUMBER & the NAME of the Report > > you are ordering, > > b. YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and > > c. your name and postal address. > > (In case of mail difficulties.) > > >PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : > >REPORT # 1: "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net" >Order Report #1 from: >Kerry G. >PO Box 210132 >San Francisco, CA 94121 >USA >_________________________________________________________ >REPORT # 2: "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net" >Order Report # 2 from: >P.Harry >P.O. Box 470015 >Brooklyn, NY 11247 > USA >__________________________________________________________ >REPORT # 3: "Secret to Multi-Level Marketing on the Net" >Order Report # 3 from: >Mary Morgan >12 Condotti Drive >Woodbridge, Ontario, L4H 2C8 >Canada >__________________________________________________________ >REPORT # 4: "How to Become a Millionaire Utilizing MLM & the Net" >Order Report # 4 from: >D. Harris >6717 Main Street >Stouffville, ON L4A 6B3 >Canada >__________________________________________________________ >REPORT #5: "How to Send Out One Million e-mails for Free" >Order Report # 5 from: >Christa H >6021 Yonge Street, Ste. 1021 >Toronto, ON M2M 3W2 >Canada > >_________________________________________________________ >You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report >people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE >INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START >THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. >_________________________________________________________ >$$$$$$$$$YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ > > >Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: > > >=== If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 >weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. > > >=== After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you >should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, >continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. > > >=== Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU >CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the >cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: >Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front >of a Different report. > > >There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! > > >=============================================== > > >FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS >PROGRAM: > >You have just received information that can give you >financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST >A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next >few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program >EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works >exceedingly well as it is now. > > >Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put >your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ..........# 5 >as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out >100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. >Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers >you will reach. > > >So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and >opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! > > >============ TESTIMONIALS ================ > >This is what one had to say: ''Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I >was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am >so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the >minimal effort and money required. > >To my astonishment, I received total $610,470.00 in 21 weeks, >with money still coming in." >Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey > > >Here is another testimonial: > >"This program has been around for a long time but I never believed >in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to >gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa >..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. > >First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made >a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the >program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The >key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change >anything.'' > > >"My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an >accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. >When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk >mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the >population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. >Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and a few days later >she jumped in with both feet. > >I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on >her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks >she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received >total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody >in her ''hobby''. > >Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois > >================================================ > > >''Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my >mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that >the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I >wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was >surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with >orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about >this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a >better investment with a faster return and so big." >Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada > > >================================================ >''I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered >if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to >get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed agai n by someone >else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not >delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the >money came within 22 weeks." >Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. > > >================================================= > > >''It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with >little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and >within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made >$20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was >$362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanks to internet.". >Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand > > >================================================= >ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON >'YOUR' ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! >================================================= > > >About 50,000 new people get online every month! >_______________________________________________________ > > > > >FOR YOUR INFORMATION.... >If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, >learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the >Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) 1-(800)827-5722 for free >help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers >free help via telephone and free seminars about business tax requirements. > >Under Bill S1618 Title III passed by the 105th US Congress this letter >cannot be considered spam as long as the sender includes contact >information >and a method of removal. This is a one-time e-mail transmission. No request >for removal is necessary. > >If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the >Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade >Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington, D.C. > > Transmissions to you by the sender of 'this' email will be stopped promptly by sending an e-mail with "unsubscribe" in the subject line. Simply hit reply and send and we will remove you from our database. Please Note-This is a one time mailing.Thank you. From rsw at MIT.EDU Thu Jun 21 17:16:13 2001 From: rsw at MIT.EDU (Riad S. Wahby) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:16:13 -0400 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010621154344.00844d00@pop.sprynet.com>; from honig@sprynet.com on Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 03:43:44PM -0700 References: <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620193059.A3621@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010621075338.00845930@pop.sprynet.com> <20010621111557.B11389@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010621154344.00844d00@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <20010621201613.A15906@positron.mit.edu> David Honig wrote: > My argument, to any judges reading, is that its *not* circumvention if you've > bought the damn thing, no matter how you decode it. > > If you paid for satellite TV but you build your own descrambler, its *not* > illegal circumvention, even though your gizmo (legally) circumvents > access controls. Get it? [Rhetorically; Riad is not the problem :-] > > Hint: its only illegal if its fraud. DeCSS has nothing to do with fraud. > "cp" does. Actually, only humans do, "cp" is not a moral entity. I totally agree with you about all of the above statements. I read the original question as "would this be illegal under the DMCA?" My replies were all modulo the current reading of the DMCA as implied by the 2600-MPAA case. As far as I'm concerned, no, the government and various media corporations should not have the ability to restrict the way in which I employ their content. If it's scrambled, that's another obstacle to my viewing, but it shouldn't be one backed by anything stronger than the algorithm which the distributor has chosen to employ. That is, men with guns shouldn't be there to make sure I don't break or otherwise circumvent CSS, nor should it be my "social responsibility" not to do so. The burden of protecting content is on the corporation providing the content, not on me. -- Riad Wahby rsw at mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105 From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Thu Jun 21 18:33:58 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:33:58 -0500 Subject: CNN Programs - Greenfield At Large: What can justice do?, And another thing...Protecting our rights Message-ID: <3B32A086.A4EA9AC1@ssz.com> http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/greenfield/ -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Thu Jun 21 18:36:14 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:36:14 -0500 Subject: Slashdot | @Home Cuts Newsgroups Due to DMCA Complaints Message-ID: <3B32A10E.DD298600@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/yro/01/06/22/006203.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Thu Jun 21 18:37:23 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:37:23 -0500 Subject: Slashdot | Senator Says Spammers Have First-Amendment Rights Message-ID: <3B32A153.16AF1A5B@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/21/1614201.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Thu Jun 21 15:23:37 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:23:37 +0200 Subject: Solaris Opera References: Message-ID: <3B3273E9.A22F1831@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Jim Windle wrote: > There is a Russian movie of "Solaris" which is weird but interesting. It's not a Russian movie, it's a Tarkovski movie (of a story by Stanislaw Lem). Another highlight is "Stalker", covering a (even better) story by the very wonderful Strugazki Bros. -- Eugen* Leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From petro at bounty.org Fri Jun 22 01:02:36 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 01:02:36 -0700 Subject: Automatic's In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010612081046.00820760@pop.sprynet.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010612081046.00820760@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: >At 10:32 PM 6/10/01 -0700, petro wrote: >>>it's not that difficult to get a CCW in California if you are willing to go >>>to the effort required. Give me a call if you want more info. >> > >It varies *greatly* with the attitude of the Chief. In my Calif county >the CCWs have tripled in the last few years since a Sheriff who trusts >citizens was elected. You may not need to be a lawyer, carry lots of >cash, or have been threatened, if he's reasonable. (If he were unreasonable >those 'elite' reasons may not have sufficed.) In the county I live in, a Bail Bondsman, a man with more felony arrests than most cops (i.e. he's brought more felons to the jail) was denied *renewal* of his CCW. This according to the mans lawyer. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From petro at bounty.org Fri Jun 22 01:03:48 2001 From: petro at bounty.org (petro) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 01:03:48 -0700 Subject: Ian Grigg's Crypto Fiction Choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> From: petro[SMTP:petro at bounty.org] >> >> >From: Matthew Gaylor >> >Subject: Ian Grigg's Crypto Fiction Choices >> >Cc: iang at systemics.com >> > >> >http://www.iang.org/crypto_fiction/ >> >> >A Fire Upon The Deep >> >> You missed "A Deepness in the Sky", written by Vinge, and >> published in 1999. Crypto plays an important part of the story, and, >> well, it's Vinge, it's worth a read. >> >... as does privacy, surveillance tech and it's avoidance, etc. Excellent >book. > >But.... > >Did you catch the hint that they're running an Unix-descended OS? ...it's >pretty >well hidden. Do you mean the reference to layer upon layer of cruft and dependencies, or the time in seconds thing? (It wasn't that well hidden IMO). -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. From amaha at vsnl.net Thu Jun 21 12:35:30 2001 From: amaha at vsnl.net (Fountain Of Joy) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 01:05:30 +0530 (IST) Subject: Thought-A-Day Message-ID: <20010621193530.2563C17E13@mmb1.vsnl.net.in> You can't have a better tomorrow if you are thinking about yesterday all the time. -- Charles F. 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Someone had their car wired for sound, someone else hidden with a video camera, when the police decided to pull the car over for no reason other than a random check. The lady complains about being stopped and asked for her papers... http://www.infowars.com/index.html#ps ---- That new Levi's commercial is so freaky! Sing for me, baby... From kwamikojo at yahoo.com Fri Jun 22 04:43:07 2001 From: kwamikojo at yahoo.com (kwami kojo) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 04:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TREAT AS URGENT CONFIDENTIAL Message-ID: <20010622114307.63062.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com> FROM Mr KWAMI KOJO. AUDITING AND ACCOUNTING UNIT. FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPT. INTERNATIONAL BANK OF AFRICA LOME - TOGO. ATTENTION: I am Mr Kwami Kojo, the director in charge of auditing and accounting section of international bank of Africa Lome-Togo in west Africa with due respect and regards. 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Fri Jun 22 05:19:05 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:19:05 -0500 Subject: Scientists Take Step Toward Single Molecule Switches Message-ID: <3B3337B9.F017DD71@ssz.com> http://unisci.com/stories/20012/0622011.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Fri Jun 22 05:21:18 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:21:18 -0500 Subject: ScienceDaily Magazine -- Researchers Find The "North Pole" Of The Molecular World Message-ID: <3B33383E.82D87DE4@ssz.com> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/06/010605075137.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Fri Jun 22 05:23:32 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:23:32 -0500 Subject: ScienceDaily Magazine -- UCSD Chemists Develop Tiny Silicon Wires To Detect Trace Residues Of Explosives Message-ID: <3B3338C4.C38B90A1@ssz.com> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/06/010604072746.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From honig at sprynet.com Fri Jun 22 07:39:20 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:39:20 -0700 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010621154344.00844d00@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010622073920.00851b10@pop.sprynet.com> At 06:15 PM 6/21/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, David Honig wrote: > >> My argument, to any judges reading, is that its *not* circumvention if you've >> bought the damn thing, no matter how you decode it. >> >> If you paid for satellite TV but you build your own descrambler, its *not* >> illegal circumvention, even though your gizmo (legally) circumvents >> access controls. Get it? [Rhetorically; Riad is not the problem :-] >> >> Hint: its only illegal if its fraud. DeCSS has nothing to do with fraud. >> "cp" does. Actually, only humans do, "cp" is not a moral entity. > >Actually that won't hold up. There is a distinction that you are missing. > What is that distinction? >Do you legally purchase service from that cable vendor? If so then even >building your own cable descrambling box may be illegal if the contract >says so (you're depriving the cable company of contractual income, >fraud?). 1. yes, contract law always holds; however govt-backed (eminent-domain, spectral allocation) based monopolies should be as open as possible (cf ATT cable in SF) 2. no one has a 'right to income' only the terms of contracts The only(!!!) way that I can see building your own descrambler >and getting away with it is if you have no(!) connection to the vendor, >hence they have no claim to a 'loss' since you're not buying any service >in the first place. Generally a bit provider requires that you have some equiptment to make use of their bits, however you have no obligation to use their equiptment. Bit provider = ISP | DVD producer. Equiptment = cable modem | DVD-licensed player From honig at sprynet.com Fri Jun 22 07:52:28 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:52:28 -0700 Subject: Slashdot | @Home Cuts Newsgroups Due to DMCA Complaints In-Reply-To: <3B32A10E.DD298600@ssz.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010622075228.00854100@pop.sprynet.com> At 08:36 PM 6/21/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >http://slashdot.org/yro/01/06/22/006203.shtml Due to violations of the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) the Usenet newsgroups listed below are being discontinued from the Excite at Home news feed. Does @Home also filter & grab NNTP requests to servers they don't control, like some other ISP is filtering & grabbing SMTP? Do they realize the can of worms they open when they start editing content vs. routing packets? Waiting for them to search email for too-lengthy newswire excerpts, dh From jd at fbi.gov Fri Jun 22 08:03:16 2001 From: jd at fbi.gov (John Doe #2) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:03:16 -0700 Subject: Osama on video Message-ID: <3B335E33.8E8509C3@fbi.gov> How soon before this gets DivX'd & Gnutella'd? Will it play at Sundance? June 20, 2001 -- Osama bin Laden's terror network is circulating a chilling recruitment video in which he urges Islamic militants to join his holy war on the United States and Israel - and calls for "blood, blood and destruction, destruction." Bin Laden, wearing traditional Yemeni dres with a dagger, is shown on the 100-minute tape telling Muslims they must leave countries that are ruled by "allies of Jews and Christians." From jchoate at us.tivoli.com Fri Jun 22 07:16:04 2001 From: jchoate at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:16:04 -0500 Subject: INTEGERS: The Electronic Journal of Combinatorial Number Theory Message-ID: http://www.integers-ejcnt.org/ James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From jbovard at his.com Fri Jun 22 06:33:44 2001 From: jbovard at his.com (Jim Bovard) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:33:44 -0400 Subject: Matt - FBI Oversight by Bootlicking Senators? Message-ID: Matt: Thought you might get a laugh out of this piece on the Senate Judiciary Committee's first FBI oversight hearing. I don't think there is going to be any BS shortage in Washington this summer. take it easy Jim Bovard's Batterings June 22, 2001 American Spectator Online www.spectator.org FBI Oversight by Bootlicking Senators? By James Bovard The Constitution has been saved! The Senate Judiciary Committee last week held the first of a series of oversight hearings on the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Committee chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) set a lofty tone in his opening statement: "Our purpose in holding these hearings is to find ways to restore confidence in the FBI, not to tear it down. There are many irresponsible critics of the FBI who promote their conspiracy theories on Internet Websites and in the popular media." However, anyone who sat through the hearing would have to wonder which is more deluded -- the typical anti-FBI website or the U.S. Senate. The senators supposedly came to discover and proclaim truth. Instead, they did as they usually do -- they groveled at the mere mention of the FBI and competed to heap laurels on the heads of federal agents. The only thing that kept most senators from actually licking boots was FBI Director Louis Freeh's decision to spurn Leahy's invitation to testify at the hearing. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Cal), in her opening statement, proudly announced that "I went through the Ruby Ridge hearings and I went through the Waco hearings," which the Senate Judiciary committee conducted in 1995. Her choice of words is accurate: She had sat there like a potted plant during those hearings -- except when she made inane comments or sought to impede other senators from uncovering federal malfeasance. A big clue that Wednesday's hearing was a farce was the lead-off witness: John "Saint Jack" Danforth, Janet Reno's hand-picked special counsel on Waco. Danforth was his usual pious self, repeatedly assuring senators that the FBI did nothing "dark" at Waco. Danforth's remarks stirred no controversy -- in the committee's view, evidently, there couldn't be anything "dark" about sending in tanks in broad daylight to gas young children. Senators are anguishing over the need to create a new oversight mechanism to make double-sure that all FBI agents obey the law. Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) announced a bill to create a "blue ribbon commission to conduct a top-to-bottom review" of the FBI. Their press release noted that the commission would "be made up of top law enforcement experts." Schumer hailed the FBI as "the premier law enforcement agency in the world" and Hatch gushed that the FBI is "one of the finest law enforcement agencies in the world." It is most ironic to have Schumer and Hatch in the forefront of FBI "reform" -- since they were two of the biggest FBI apologists. Hatch worked mightily in 1995 to block Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA)'s valiant efforts to conduct an investigation into federal abuses at Ruby Ridge. Hatch even publicly praised FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi - who killed Vicki Weaver as she stood in her cabin door holding her baby -- as a "great American hero." Schumer was the Clinton administration's point person during the House hearings on Waco in the summer of 1995. Schumer continually derided and sneered at any suggestion that the FBI had done anything less than laudatory during its siege and final assault on the Branch Davidians. Schumer did more than any other congressman to protect the FBI coverup on Waco. (During the hearing Wednesday, Schumer congratulated Danforth for doing a great job with his Waco investigation). In sharp contrast to all the other committee members, Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) has consistently and courageously pursued allegations of FBI abuses. Grassley is one of the few Republicans who does not instinctively cringe and kowtow at any mention of the FBI's name. Nor does he spend half his allotted speaking time at hearings apologizing for raising any doubts about the FBI's infallibility. Grassley derided the notion of appointing an "FBI Review Commission." He noted that the "end result" of commissions to investigate the FBI "has usually been that the FBI ends up with a bigger budget, more jurisdiction, and the Director [of the FBI] walks out with a nice pat on the back." The same could be said of the response by Congress to most of the FBI fiascoes of the last decade. After the FBI sent in the tanks at Waco, Congress provided a hefty budget increase to expand its Hostage Rescue Team. (FBI reforms are percolating elsewhere in Washington. Attorney General John Ashcroft announced Wednesday - a few minutes before the start of the Senate hearing -- his plans to create a Strategic Management Council for the FBI, stocked with plenty of insiders from federal law enforcement. Also on Wednesday, the House Judiciary Committee passed a bill to create an Inspector General for the FBI.) There was scant awareness at the hearing that part of the blame for FBI misconduct rests on the U.S. Senate - especially on the Judiciary Committee -- for its lax oversight. Instead, senators speak as if FBI abuses were something that "just happened" in spite of the explicit wishes of Senate Judiciary Committee members for the FBI to "play fair and square." The Senate has been criminally negligent in overseeing federal law enforcement -- and now we are supposed to be thrilled that some senators are calling for the appointment of another review commission. Charles Carroll of Maryland, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, declared that it was the task of elected representatives "to examine severely, and judge impartially the conduct and the measures of those employed in the administration, to represent the grievances, and watch over the liberties and the properties of the people of this nation." Carroll's concept of a representative's duty seems even more archaic than George Washington's wooden teeth. James Madison's scheme for a "balance of power" between the legislative and executive branches did not assume that senators would perennially prostrate themselves before the feet of federal lawmen. The Judiciary Committee is planning to conduct other FBI "oversight" hearings. Perhaps more senators will leave their knee-pads at home for the next round of questioning. Perhaps Grassley's example and record will finally inspire his fellows. Perhaps Leahy will surprise and silence cynics by resolutely pursuing the hard facts underlying the FBI's greatest controversies. Perhaps... James Bovard is the author of "Feeling Your Pain": The Explosion & Abuse of Government Power in the Clinton-Gore Years (St. Martin's Press, 2000). ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From georgemw at speakeasy.net Fri Jun 22 09:48:13 2001 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:48:13 -0700 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010622073920.00851b10@pop.sprynet.com> References: Message-ID: <3B33145D.17637.1981D0AA@localhost> On 22 Jun 2001, at 7:39, David Honig wrote: > At 06:15 PM 6/21/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > >On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, David Honig wrote: > > > >> My argument, to any judges reading, is that its *not* circumvention if > you've > >> bought the damn thing, no matter how you decode it. > >> > >> If you paid for satellite TV but you build your own descrambler, its *not* > >> illegal circumvention, even though your gizmo (legally) circumvents > >> access controls. Get it? [Rhetorically; Riad is not the problem :-] > >> Have there been test cases which have stated this? I pretty much agree with you as to what the law should be, but I think you might be mistaken as to what the law is. When I first read this, I couldn't think of any reason you'd want to use your own homemade descrambler box instead of the one that the cable co supplied (assuming you've actually paid for the channel), but I was ablt to come up with a couple reasons. 1) you want to tape stuff while you're not there, and the cable box doesn't come with a way to change channels at a specific time. Maybe you'd even like to tape 2 things at once, which I think is legal but not practical using their box. 2) You don't like the color, and you can't paint their box, because you only rent it. > >Do you legally purchase service from that cable vendor? If so then even > >building your own cable descrambling box may be illegal if the contract > >says so (you're depriving the cable company of contractual income, > >fraud?). > Well, obviously you're not depriving them of any income if for some reason you decide to use a homemade box and stick the one they rent you in your closet, but has anyone ever actually done such a thing, and gotten hauled into court? George From compuexpert01 at mindspring.com Fri Jun 22 10:39:25 2001 From: compuexpert01 at mindspring.com (sales1) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:39:25 -0700 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <003601c0fb42$47fdc2c0$5b01a8c0@Earthlink.net> Estimado Cliente, Mi nombre es David, Yo represento a la compania Compu Expert Distribution, que esta situada en la Ciudad de Indusrty, CA en los Estados Unidos de America. La compania tiene mas de tres anos en el mercado. Tenemos clientes a nivel mundial. 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Message-ID: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/19906.html James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From gbroiles at well.com Fri Jun 22 10:57:40 2001 From: gbroiles at well.com (Greg Broiles) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:57:40 -0700 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare In-Reply-To: <200106220645.CAA25384@www1.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622105243.030bfd90@mail.wwc.com> At 02:45 AM 6/22/2001 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: >Whoooey! > >Found in Usenet, watched all four video clips. > >Someone had their car wired for sound, someone else >hidden with a video camera, when the police decided >to pull the car over for no reason other than a >random check. > >The lady complains about being stopped and >asked for her papers... > > http://www.infowars.com/index.html#ps That wasn't "someone hidden with a video camera", it was a video recording unit in the cop car - and the audio was probably wireless mike(s) going back to that same recorder - it's frequently used for traffic or DUI stops, to record evidence against the accused. The "VSP" in the lower left corner is most likely Virginia State Police, the agency whose officers were involved in the interaction. The video probably got to the website via the defendant, who received it through the pretrial discovery process. -- Greg Broiles gbroiles at well.com "Organized crime is the price we pay for organization." -- Raymond Chandler From jchoate at us.tivoli.com Fri Jun 22 09:23:03 2001 From: jchoate at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:23:03 -0500 Subject: More on the Hague Convention Message-ID: http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/22/162252.shtml James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From juicy at melontraffickers.com Fri Jun 22 11:40:14 2001 From: juicy at melontraffickers.com (A. Melon) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:40:14 -0700 Subject: Audio one-time pad smart-card? Message-ID: Hold the ComDot card, a new product from Tel Aviv-based ComSense Technologies Ltd., up to your computer's microphone and squeeze the slight bump in its center. Otherwise indistinguishable from a garden-variety credit card, it emits a high-pitched series of noises similar to that of a fax machine or dial-up modem. Because it communicates via sound, the ComDot doesn't require a specialized card reader like other "smart" cards -- only a computer with a sound card and a microphone. It is even designed to work over the telephone. [...] The card transmits an encrypted identifying code via high-frequency sound waves -- a long screech, followed by a lower-pitched warble. The computer then verifies the ID with the ComSense servers; the user enters a PIN (personal identification number) for added security, and the log-in is complete. [...] The ComDot itself consists of a three-year battery, computer processor, two speakers and a small amount of memory. It never emits the exact same tone twice, so even if someone trying to gain unauthorized access to patient files were to record the sound and replay it, they would not succeed. [...] Not only could the ComDot sit inside a fraud-proof, ultra-secure credit or ATM card, but the technology could also be used to validate online commerce transactions. Instead of merely requiring consumers to type in their credit card number, they would squeeze their ComDots, and perhaps enter a PIN. [...] http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/06/22/smart.card.reut/index.html From jya at pipeline.com Fri Jun 22 11:42:37 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:42:37 -0700 Subject: Slashdot | @Home Cuts Newsgroups Due to DMCA Complaints In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010622075228.00854100@pop.sprynet.com> References: <3B32A10E.DD298600@ssz.com> Message-ID: <200106221543.LAA14226@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Check out today's EU final copyright directive which perfectly mirrors the DMCA: http://www.europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/dat/2001/l_167/l_16720010622en00100019.p df (153KB) We offer an HTML version: http://cryptome.org/eu-copyright.htm (57KB) Here's an excerpt on circumvention devices: Article 6 Obligations as to technological measures 1. Member States shall provide adequate legal protection against the circumvention of any effective technological measures, which the person concerned carries out in the knowledge, or with reasonable grounds to know, that he or she is pursuing that objective. 2. Member States shall provide adequate legal protection against the manufacture, import, distribution, sale, rental, advertisement for sale or rental, or possession for commercial purposes of devices, products or components or the provision of services which: (a) are promoted, advertised or marketed for the purpose of circumvention of, or (b) have only a limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent, or (c) are primarily designed, produced, adapted or performed for the purpose of enabling or facilitating the circumvention of, any effective technological measures. 3. For the purposes of this Directive, the expression 'technological measures' means any technology, device or component that, in the normal course of its operation, is designed to prevent or restrict acts, in respect of works or other subject-matter, which are not authorised by the rightholder of any copyright or any right related to copyright as provided for by law or the sui generis right provided for in Chapter III of Directive 96/9/EC. Technological measures shall be deemed 'effective' where the use of a protected work or other subject-matter is controlled by the rightholders through application of an access control or protection process, such as encryption, scrambling or other transformation of the work or other subject-matter or a copy control mechanism, which achieves the protection objective. [End excerpt] From sandfort at mindspring.com Fri Jun 22 11:55:58 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:55:58 -0700 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare In-Reply-To: <200106220645.CAA25384@www1.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: "George at Orwellian.Org" wrote: > Found in Usenet, watched all four > video clips. > > Someone had their car wired for > sound, someone else hidden with > a video camera, when the police > decided to pull the car over for > no reason other than a random > check. See my solution to this sort of abuse in my article in the 2.12 issue of WIRED: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.12/sandfort.if.html?pg=1&topic=&topic_s et= No one should have any objections to wiring cops. A secure record only hurts bad cops; it protects good cops--all 17 of them. :-D (Sorry, Lon.) S a n d y From schear at lvcm.com Fri Jun 22 12:03:59 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:03:59 -0700 Subject: Slashdot | @Home Cuts Newsgroups Due to DMCA Complaints In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010622075228.00854100@pop.sprynet.com> References: <3B32A10E.DD298600@ssz.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010622115952.00a81860@pop3.lvcm.com> At 07:52 AM 6/22/2001 -0700, David Honig wrote: >At 08:36 PM 6/21/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > >http://slashdot.org/yro/01/06/22/006203.shtml > > Due to violations of the DMCA (Digital > Millennium Copyright Act) the Usenet newsgroups > listed below are being discontinued from the > Excite at Home news feed. I don't understand how DMCA comes into play for content already ripped by someone else. >Does @Home also filter & grab NNTP requests to servers they >don't control, like some other ISP is filtering & grabbing SMTP? I don't think so, but have never checked. It seems that one ploy the digital video posters could use is to select a popular, innocuous, news group, and add their content. @Home would then be forced to either filter binaries from that group or take it offline, offending a lot of innocent users. steve From freematt at coil.com Fri Jun 22 09:21:59 2001 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:21:59 -0400 Subject: Matt - FBI Oversight by Bootlicking Senators? Message-ID: From hseaver at ameritech.net Fri Jun 22 11:22:19 2001 From: hseaver at ameritech.net (Harmon Seaver) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:22:19 -0500 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622105243.030bfd90@mail.wwc.com> Message-ID: <3B338CD2.FF9F658B@ameritech.net> Listen to it again -- doesn't she say "I'm recording this"?? Greg Broiles wrote: > At 02:45 AM 6/22/2001 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > > >Whoooey! > > > >Found in Usenet, watched all four video clips. > > > >Someone had their car wired for sound, someone else > >hidden with a video camera, when the police decided > >to pull the car over for no reason other than a > >random check. > > > >The lady complains about being stopped and > >asked for her papers... > > > > http://www.infowars.com/index.html#ps > > That wasn't "someone hidden with a video camera", it was a video recording > unit in the cop car - and the audio was probably wireless mike(s) going > back to that same recorder - it's frequently used for traffic or DUI stops, > to record evidence against the accused. The "VSP" in the lower left corner > is most likely Virginia State Police, the agency whose officers were > involved in the interaction. > > The video probably got to the website via the defendant, who received it > through the pretrial discovery process. > > -- > Greg Broiles > gbroiles at well.com > "Organized crime is the price we pay for organization." -- Raymond Chandler -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver at cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver at ameritech.net From gbroiles at well.com Fri Jun 22 13:50:14 2001 From: gbroiles at well.com (Greg Broiles) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:50:14 -0700 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare In-Reply-To: <3B338CD2.FF9F658B@ameritech.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622105243.030bfd90@mail.wwc.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622123925.03872980@pop.well.com> At 01:22 PM 6/22/2001 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Listen to it again -- doesn't she say "I'm recording this"?? Yes, she does - but the recorder would either have been on her person (in which case it would have been taken from her before she was sitting in the back of the police car), or in her car. In either case, it wouldn't have been in a good position to get a nice clear audio recording of the final part where the two cops stand on the roadside and talk about whether or not they can seize her reading material as evidence on the obstructing justice charge. The only way you're going to get nice clear audio like that is if the cop has a lapel mike with a wireless transmitter, and they're pretty common among cops now, especially among highway patrol/state troopers, who make a lot of traffic stops and DUI stops (where they can usually control positioning of their car/camera vis-a-vis the suspect and their car), which are ripe for automated evidence recording from a dash-mounted video camera + short-range radio transmitter/mike combination. City cops spend more of their time farther away from their cars, in buildings, etc - so city police departments usually put A/V equipment in special DUI task force cars instead of in every car. It's also not uncommon for cops who want their own recording, or for less well-funded departments, to use an old-fashioned microcassette recorder on the cop's duty belt or in a chest pocket where the built-in mic can get pretty good audio. I'm very confident that the video is from the trooper's own car - because of the positioning, because of the "VSP", because you can see the push bar on the cop car's front bumper at the bottom of the frame, and because I'm really skeptical that someone else with a video camera would be able to get close enough to get that shot without being run off by the cops, unless they used a strong zoom lens, which are hard to keep stable - even on a tripod - unless you've got really nice + heavy equipment. Besides, assuming that's true, where's the cop car? We can tell it's behind the woman's car, because you can see its flashing lights reflected on the troopers' uniforms and on the street signs - so it's near the camera. If the car is in between the camera and the woman's car, why didn't we see it or its lights? Or if the camera is in between the cop car and the woman's car, why didn't the cops see the camera during the encounter .. especially given that the camera's not on the ground hidden in (apparently) a scrap of roadside trash, or else we'd see a really different perspective. Ok, maybe someone set up thousands of dollars of nice video equipment in a duck blind or something and then hid across the street with a parabolic mike to get the audio .. because they knew this was going to happen? Occam's Razor says this recording was made by the cops. Not that the identity of the party making the recording diminishes the constitutional issues here about unreasonable search & seizure, right to remain silent, right to freely read & associate & travel, etc., under both the US and VA constitutions. On the other hand, if you're driving you can be asked to produce a drivers' license, and cops can ask you to identify yourself if you're out in public - but they must accept your oral self-report regarding your identity, and can't arrest you for not carrying "your papers", unless you're in a class of persons who must carry their papers, like some non-citizens and people who are driving. If this was meant to be some sort of test case or demonstration of police misconduct, it gets off to a bad start that way - I don't know if everything that followed is justifiable under VA law, but they weren't out of line (in a non-Choate universe, anyway) asking for her drivers' license if they saw her driving that car. I didn't see anything that looked to me like obstructing an officer or assaulting an officer. -- Greg Broiles gbroiles at well.com "Organized crime is the price we pay for organization." -- Raymond Chandler From georgemw at speakeasy.net Fri Jun 22 14:05:14 2001 From: georgemw at speakeasy.net (georgemw at speakeasy.net) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:05:14 -0700 Subject: Slashdot | @Home Cuts Newsgroups Due to DMCA Complaints In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010622115952.00a81860@pop3.lvcm.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010622075228.00854100@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3B33509A.27864.1A6D20C3@localhost> On 22 Jun 2001, at 12:03, Steve Schear wrote: > I don't understand how DMCA comes into play for content already ripped by > someone else. > > You're correct, of course. It doesn't. > >Does @Home also filter & grab NNTP requests to servers they > >don't control, like some other ISP is filtering & grabbing SMTP? > > I don't think so, but have never checked. > > It seems that one ploy the digital video posters could use is to select a > popular, innocuous, news group, and add their content. @Home would then be > forced to either filter binaries from that group or take it offline, > offending a lot of innocent users. > > steve > > They're not forced to do anything. They're probably under the delusion that they're safer from liability if they ban groups whose names imply pirated content. It's not their fault if somebody puts metallica mp3s in alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork, but what the hell did anyone expect to be in alt.binaries.metallica? I think actually they're shooting themselves in the foot. If they excercise no editorial control at all over their news servers they're protecyed as common carriers, whereas if they do excercise some control, they might be considered to approve of whatever they let through. OTOH, they're probably rich enough to be safe anyway. George From aimee.farr at pobox.com Fri Jun 22 12:31:15 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:31:15 -0500 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622105243.030bfd90@mail.wwc.com> Message-ID: Broiles wrote: > The video probably got to the website via the defendant, who received it > through the pretrial discovery process. *thunk* Pht. I'm trying to put together a list of independent media and activist sites that are using DIY covert/overt surveillance video (and audio). I'm writing an article for a professional association. 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Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From schear at lvcm.com Fri Jun 22 15:02:35 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:02:35 -0700 Subject: Slashdot | @Home Cuts Newsgroups Due to DMCA Complaints In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010622115952.00a81860@pop3.lvcm.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010622075228.00854100@pop.sprynet.com> <3B32A10E.DD298600@ssz.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010622150119.034d74b0@pop3.lvcm.com> At 12:03 PM 6/22/2001 -0700, you wrote: >At 07:52 AM 6/22/2001 -0700, David Honig wrote: >>At 08:36 PM 6/21/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >> >http://slashdot.org/yro/01/06/22/006203.shtml >> >> Due to violations of the DMCA (Digital >> Millennium Copyright Act) the Usenet newsgroups >> listed below are being discontinued from the >> Excite at Home news feed. > >I don't understand how DMCA comes into play for content already ripped by >someone else. Before anyone says its because all DVD content, even from Hollywood, is assumed to be protected that's not true. steve From larsg at trustix.com Fri Jun 22 06:13:16 2001 From: larsg at trustix.com (Lars Gaarden) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:13:16 +0200 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? References: <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620193059.A3621@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010621133941.00847bc0@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3B33446C.6050705@trustix.com> David Honig wrote: > At 02:36 PM 6/21/01 +0200, Lars Gaarden wrote: > >> >>The DVDCCA license requires that DVD equipment never allow access to >>the raw digital data. >>http://www.dvdcca.org/data/css/css_proc_spec11.pdf > > If you buy the media (and more importantly, the license to play > the content) you can use any hardware/software you like. Period. > [1] That is exactly how it should be, no argument there. However, there are forces that would like to change this. The media and software companies have so far succeeded in getting a couple of bad laws passed (DMCA, UCITA), and are pushing heavily to force hardware manufacturers to add 'copy protection'[2] technology to their devices. Unless we stop this, we might find ourselves in an Orwell'esque world five or ten years down the line. >>This ties in nicely with the content manufacturers' dream of a >>tamed digital environment where neither piracy nor fair use is >>possible, and everything is pay-per-view, controlled and metered. > > Where a remotely-readable meter logs all licensed entertainment > that's entered your brainstem each month. Some of them actually want that kind of world, and seem to have the power, money and know-how to push both legislation and technology in that direction. > [1] That remote-music storage dotcom which required you to have a > meatspace CD before letting you play the content should have needed > *no* license, permit, or blessing from the producers. A year ago, I would have believed that copyright law was sane, and that the above sentence was correct. Unfortunately, (C) is a rather messy and even internally inconsistent law which does not follow common sense. According to current law, that remote-music storage dotcom (my.mp3.com?) need to produce and store copies of the music. As there is no copyright exemption that applies to this situation, they need to obtain a license (actually, several licenses). Is this the way it should be? imho, no. Does this seem logical to anyone except copyright lawyers? No. Do most laypeople expect that this should be covered by fair use? Yes. To fix this, we need to change copyright law. Unfortunately, the current trend is that (C) is moving in the wrong direction, because most of the lobbyists and most of the money are in the hands of media companies. While DFC and EFF are trying, it seems like we need more - much more. Jessica Litman's 'Digital Copyright' covers a lot of this. Recommended if you haven't read it already. [2] 'copy protection' is a misnomer, just like Intellectual Property is. IP isn't property, it is a limited, temporary, monopoly on an idea (patent) or an expression (copyright). Likewise, 'Copy Protection' is Use Control. CP is carpet-bombing from 20000ft with the expressed intent to stop piracy, while (accidentally, or deliberately) doing lots of collateral damage - including, but not limited to, fair use and the principle of first sale. -- LarsG http://eurorights.org From mmotyka at lsil.com Fri Jun 22 15:34:48 2001 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (mmotyka at lsil.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:34:48 -0700 Subject: Two Countries, One City (A civil libertarian/anarcho-capitalist challenge?) Message-ID: <3B33C808.976A83FA@lsil.com> > > http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101010611/fcities.html > > James Choate > Oddly enough, this topic came up at home this morning over coffee and pastries on the front porch with someone from a similarly troubled country. Even more oddly, we were in agreement. Want to begin improving the lives of poor people around the world? For starters it seems to me that everywhere the Spanish colonized is royally fucked-up. Family planning will do more to ease the suffering and improve the lot of the poor than a whole grand canyon full of pious, chanting padres. As for the "civil libertarian/anarcho-capitalist challenge" the poor in these areas ( Mexico, SA, Philippines ) barely have resources to feed their children and don't have the energy or the will to think about political philosophy and realization through technology. That is the domain of their masters, the well-off. Mike From a3495 at cotse.com Fri Jun 22 12:44:48 2001 From: a3495 at cotse.com (Faustine) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Critiques of Libertarianism Message-ID: <00578558688aa53e359b8d3145360ebb@public.webmail.cotse.com> On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 a3495 at cotse.com wrote: > "This diversity of libertarian viewpoints can make it quite difficult to > have a coherent discussion with them, because an argument that is valid for > or against one type of libertarianism may not apply to other types." > > ....you mean you actually have to LISTEN to people before you stick them in > a conceptual box and slap your two-bit pre-made labels on them??? Say it > ain't so!!!! Moron. >And you're proud you don't have to listen to folks before you stick 'em in >a box? Er, you might want to have a look at my old posts to get my thoughts on thar sort of thing. >Bullshit, Libertarians choose to call themselves by that label, >it's a self imposed box. Your criticism is without merit. Or perhaps the >ghost of Wittgenstein will walk through you... You probably have a point if you're talking about the "capital L" fanatic types. Nevertheless, I don't think anyone should be so intellectually lazy and mentally impoverished that they need to rely on labels--self-imposed or otherwise--to have a "coherent" conversation. Maybe the people who do deserve to talk at each other. >Further, you misrepresents what he says. Oh? I fully reserve the right to remain unimpresssed. LOL >Check the archives, various >folks have made the distinctions between the various components of CACL >quite clear, it's why I always make it clear what the particular 'common >character' I am refering to when I 'lump 'em into one box'. I'm guessing this has more to do with the caliber and temperament of people who post to message boards than as something representative of any particular body of academic works, such as it is. Face it: if all you knew about any group of ideas was what you could deduce from Usenet posts, it would be a pretty sorry spectacle indeed. What passes for fascinating debate on message boards is more often than not uninformed bush-league armchair philosophizing, it's that simple. In fact, that's part of the problem right there: people are too busy throwing labels around to really get to the meat of the issues. >It is also clear that a global critique of one 'view' isn't necessarily >applicable to the other. But when is a global critique truly useful and relevant at all? The point I'm trying to make is a little clearer if you substitute a more familiar concept: "What is liberalism?" "What has liberalism meant, historically?" "What does it mean to be 'a liberal' in the United Stated today?" See, not so easy, is it. You can start talking about certain aspects of the term and its usage, but it's certainly not the type of thing you can completely cover and come to terms with in a few posts! No need to try to force something rich, complex and evolving into a brittle "all or nothing" proposition. It's as ridiculous to assume that any one person can "speak for" libertarianism as it is to have a "representative of liberalism". The people who try generally aren't with the time it takes to read them. > In other words, there are a variety of issues with a >concomitent multiplicity of views that get pushed into 'libertarian'. Sure-- as is the case with other general terms like "liberalism" and "conservatism". >His point that this makes it hard to understand the fundamental characters to qualify for 'libertarian' is valid. It also happens to be a valid >critique of its practitioners. This might be an issue for partisans and ideologues, otherwise it's 100% irrelevant. As far as I'm concerned, the real enemy is a mindset which allows you to let a label do your thinking for you. > You can take any philosophical position under the sun and always find > idiots and straw men who "support" it to knock around, why should > libertarianism be any different. There's plenty of room for real debate > here, too bad he's not up for it. Oh well! >>Exactly, and if the philosophy can't stand on it's own two feet despite >>this then it deserves the ignomy it will receive. It's not "a philosophy" any more than liberalism is, and you're confusing the supporters with the ideas themselves again. You want to talk Hayek? Let's talk Hayek. You want to debate Stirner? Jim Bell and AP? Go for it. The fact that there isn't much overlap in no way keeps me from having a meaningful and "coherent" conversation about libertarian ideas with people who happen to agree with parts of them. It's when the discussion degenerates into partisans throwing dogma and generalities at each other that it gets really, really tiresome. I'm certainly no purist, but the fact remains that I'm far more likely to pay attention to critiques of the free market by real economists who actually have a clue as to what they're talking about--like Brad Delong at Berkeley(http://www.j-bradford-delong.net). People on all sides can foam at the mouth all they please, but it won't affect policy and scholarship one way or the other. Which in the long run, is all that matters anyway. ~Faustine. BTW, no hard feelings Jim, I think it's great you're bringing this sort of thing up here. Shaking people out of their complacency is always a good thing. From jchoate at us.tivoli.com Fri Jun 22 13:46:03 2001 From: jchoate at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:46:03 -0500 Subject: Two Countries, One City (A civil libertarian/anarcho-capitalist challenge?) Message-ID: http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101010611/fcities.html James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From estoil0c0 at icytundra.com Fri Jun 22 14:02:57 2001 From: estoil0c0 at icytundra.com (estoil0c0 at icytundra.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:02:57 -0500 Subject: I WAS SICK OF BEING FAT!!!!!!! Message-ID: <6cbn7s0bfu5g4kpc.2qck6@mail.icytundra.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 8517 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ericm at lne.com Fri Jun 22 16:11:35 2001 From: ericm at lne.com (Eric Murray) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:11:35 -0700 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare In-Reply-To: <200106222208.SAA22807@www3.aa.psiweb.com>; from George@Orwellian.Org on Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 06:08:49PM -0400 References: <200106222208.SAA22807@www3.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <20010622161135.A30682@slack.lne.com> On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 06:08:49PM -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > # From: Greg Broiles > # To: Harmon Seaver > # Cc: George at Orwellian.Org, cypherpunks at lne.com > # Date: Fri, 22 Jun 01 16:49PM EDT > # Subject: Re: The Art of Submarine Warfare > # > # At 01:22 PM 6/22/2001 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: > # > # > Listen to it again -- doesn't she say "I'm recording this"?? > # > # Yes, she does - but the recorder would either have been on her person (in > # which case it would have been taken from her before she was sitting in the > # back of the police car), or in her car. > > And the repy at Date: Fri, 22 Jun 01 14:20PM EDT > And the repy at Date: Fri, 22 Jun 01 13:59PM EDT > > What does 'lne' stand for, "Late, or NEver"? > > I only received the above due to the direct Cc. There's no cpunks mail in the queue at lne. If you're still subscribed (there's no "George at Orwellian.Org" in the subscriber list but I assume that's not the address you receive mail at) then it went out to wherever you are or to a site that MXd for you. Eric From reeza at flex.com Fri Jun 22 19:21:17 2001 From: reeza at flex.com (Reese) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:21:17 -1000 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare In-Reply-To: <3B338CD2.FF9F658B@ameritech.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622105243.030bfd90@mail.wwc.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010622151215.00e22470@flex.com> Anyone have any luck tracking this down to a case name/number and a link on a virginia .gov website? Or is this some elaborate hoax? >> >The lady complains about being stopped and >> >asked for her papers... >> > >> > http://www.infowars.com/index.html#ps From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Fri Jun 22 13:36:25 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:36:25 -0400 Subject: Louis Cypher Message-ID: > From: Anonymous[SMTP:nobody at mix.winterorbit.com] > > Amusing. > The guy caling himself Louis Cypher is apparently connecting to the > Internet from within Mitre. > X-Originating-IP: [129.83.19.1] > Who have you pissed off, Sunder? > -MW- > Um, probably no one. I was on the cypherpunks list as ptrei at mitre.org for many years, as oldtimers on the list will remember. 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For Further details and to sign up free, click here: If you don’t need the money, please let us know and we will give your $222 to someone else. Recorded Information Message: 1-800-746-1619 Fax-On-Demand: 1-403-934-6061 Code: 675501 From ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com Fri Jun 22 14:38:46 2001 From: ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:38:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: OPT: crypto flaw in secure mail standards (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:15:57 -0500 From: Don Davis To: cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: crypto flaw in secure mail standards All current secure-mail standards specify, as their "high- security" option, a weak use of the public-key sign and encrypt operations. On Thursday the 28th of this month, I'll present my findings and my proposed repairs of the protocols, at the Usenix Technical Conference here in Boston: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix01/usenix01.pdf Citation: Don Davis, "Defective Sign & Encrypt in S/MIME, PKCS#7, MOSS, PEM, PGP, and XML." To appear in Proc. Usenix Tech. Conf. 2001, Boston. June 25-30, 2001. A short summary: All current secure-mail standards have a significant cryptographic flaw. There are several standard ways to send and read secure e-mail. The most well-known secure mail systems are PGP and S/MIME. All current public- key-based secure-mail standards have this flaw. Here are some examples of the flaw in action: Suppose Alice and Bob are business partners, and are setting up a deal together. Suppose Alice decides to call off the deal, so she sends Bob a secure-mail message: "The deal is off." Then Bob can get even with Alice: * Bob waits until Alice has a new deal in the works with Charlle; * Bob can abuse the secure e-mail protocol to re-encrypt and resend Alice's message to Charlie; * When Charlie receives Alice's message, he'll believe that the mail-security features guarantee that Alice sent the message to Charlie. * Charlie abandons his deal with Alice. Suppose instead that Alice & Bob are coworkers. Alice uses secure e-mail to send Bob her sensitive company-internal sales plan. Bob decides to get his rival Alice fired: * Bob abuses the secure e-mail protocol to re-encrypt and resend Alice's sales-plan, with her digital signature, to a rival company's salesman Charlie. * Charlie brags openly about getting the sales plan from Alice. When he's accused in court of stealing the plan, Charlie presents Alice's secure e-mail as evidence of his innocence. Surprisingly, standards-compliant secure-mail clients will not detect these attacks. ---------------------------------------------------------- Abstract Simple Sign & Encrypt, by itself, is not very secure. Cryptographers know this well, but application programmers and standards authors still tend to put too much trust in simple Sign-and-Encrypt. In fact, every secure e-mail protocol, old and new, has codified na�ve Sign & Encrypt as acceptable security practice. S/MIME, PKCS#7, PGP, OpenPGP, PEM, and MOSS all suffer from this flaw. Similarly, the secure document protocols PKCS#7, XML- Signature, and XML-Encryption suffer from the same flaw. Na�ve Sign & Encrypt appears only in file-security and mail-security applications, but this narrow scope is becoming more important to the rapidly-growing class of commercial users. With file- and mail-encryption seeing widespread use, and with flawed encryption in play, we can expect widespread exposures. In this paper, we analyze the na�ve Sign & Encrypt flaw, we review the defective sign/encrypt standards, and we describe a comprehensive set of simple repairs. The various repairs all have a common feature: when signing and encryption are combined, the inner crypto layer must somehow depend on the outer layer, so as to reveal any tampering with the outer layer. ---------------------------- Once I've presented the paper, I'll make this link live: http://world.std.com/~dtd/sign_encrypt/sign_encrypt7.ps - don davis, boston http://world.std.com/~dtd - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com Fri Jun 22 14:42:06 2001 From: ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:42:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: OPT: Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:27:14 -0400 From: Derek Atkins To: Don Davis Cc: cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards This is not a crypto flaw. This is an engineering flaw. First, the timestamp of the message is certainly encoded in the signature. This is protection against your first suggested attack. The recipient, upon verifying the signature, notices that it was made, e.g., two months previously. Then one would have to wonder why a two-month-old message was being sent. The other obvious problem is that although the sender's identity is encoded in the message's signature (as well as the time the signature is purported to be made), the original intended recipient's are not encoded within the signed portion of the message. The simple fix would be to include the appropriate mail headers withing the signed portion of the message. In particular, including the 'To' and 'Cc' fields would immediately protect against both of these attacks. The problem is not at all with the crypto. The problem is with the integration of the crypto with applications like e-mail. Have a nice day, -derek Don Davis writes: > All current secure-mail standards specify, as their "high- > security" option, a weak use of the public-key sign and encrypt > operations. On Thursday the 28th of this month, I'll present > my findings and my proposed repairs of the protocols, at the > Usenix Technical Conference here in Boston: > http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix01/usenix01.pdf > > Citation: > Don Davis, "Defective Sign & Encrypt in S/MIME, PKCS#7, MOSS, > PEM, PGP, and XML." To appear in Proc. Usenix Tech. Conf. 2001, > Boston. June 25-30, 2001. > > A short summary: All current secure-mail standards have a > significant cryptographic flaw. There are several standard > ways to send and read secure e-mail. The most well-known > secure mail systems are PGP and S/MIME. All current public- > key-based secure-mail standards have this flaw. Here are some > examples of the flaw in action: > > Suppose Alice and Bob are business partners, and are setting > up a deal together. Suppose Alice decides to call off the > deal, so she sends Bob a secure-mail message: "The deal is off." > Then Bob can get even with Alice: > > * Bob waits until Alice has a new deal in the works > with Charlle; > * Bob can abuse the secure e-mail protocol to re-encrypt > and resend Alice's message to Charlie; > * When Charlie receives Alice's message, he'll believe > that the mail-security features guarantee that Alice > sent the message to Charlie. > * Charlie abandons his deal with Alice. > > Suppose instead that Alice & Bob are coworkers. Alice uses > secure e-mail to send Bob her sensitive company-internal > sales plan. Bob decides to get his rival Alice fired: > > * Bob abuses the secure e-mail protocol to re-encrypt and > resend Alice's sales-plan, with her digital signature, > to a rival company's salesman Charlie. > * Charlie brags openly about getting the sales plan from > Alice. When he's accused in court of stealing the plan, > Charlie presents Alice's secure e-mail as evidence of > his innocence. > > Surprisingly, standards-compliant secure-mail clients will > not detect these attacks. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Abstract > Simple Sign & Encrypt, by itself, is not very secure. > Cryptographers know this well, but application programmers > and standards authors still tend to put too much trust > in simple Sign-and-Encrypt. In fact, every secure e-mail > protocol, old and new, has codified na=EFve Sign & Encrypt > as acceptable security practice. S/MIME, PKCS#7, PGP, > OpenPGP, PEM, and MOSS all suffer from this flaw. > Similarly, the secure document protocols PKCS#7, XML- > Signature, and XML-Encryption suffer from the same flaw. > Na=EFve Sign & Encrypt appears only in file-security and > mail-security applications, but this narrow scope is > becoming more important to the rapidly-growing class > of commercial users. With file- and mail-encryption > seeing widespread use, and with flawed encryption in > play, we can expect widespread exposures. > > In this paper, we analyze the na=EFve Sign & Encrypt flaw, > we review the defective sign/encrypt standards, and we > describe a comprehensive set of simple repairs. The > various repairs all have a common feature: when signing > and encryption are combined, the inner crypto layer must > somehow depend on the outer layer, so as to reveal any > tampering with the outer layer. > > ---------------------------- > > Once I've presented the paper, I'll make this link live: > http://world.std.com/~dtd/sign_encrypt/sign_encrypt7.ps > > - don davis, boston > http://world.std.com/~dtd > > > > > > - > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Cryptography Mailing List > Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warlord at MIT.EDU PGP key available --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Fri Jun 22 14:43:57 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:43:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: OPT: Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 22 Jun 2001 18:40:09 -0000 From: lcs Mixmaster Remailer To: cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards Don Davis writes, > All current secure-mail standards have a > significant cryptographic flaw. There are several standard > ways to send and read secure e-mail. The most well-known > secure mail systems are PGP and S/MIME. All current public- > key-based secure-mail standards have this flaw. Here are some > examples of the flaw in action: > > Suppose Alice and Bob are business partners, and are setting > up a deal together. Suppose Alice decides to call off the > deal, so she sends Bob a secure-mail message: "The deal is off." The only thing protected in a signed message is that portion signed. Alice needs to say, "Bob, the deal is off." Actually this is not enough. Suppose Alice sends this, or equivalently suppose we use an encryption scheme similar to what David Hopwood describes where the inner signed portion includes the outer key. There can still be trouble. Suppose at some later time Alice and Bob negotiate a new contract, and Bob wants to get out of it. He pulls out this old message of Alice's and stamps a new date on it, claiming that it was with regard to their new contract negotiation. He says that Alice withdrew from the contract so he is not liable for any penalties. Again the problem is that only what is signed is protected. If the date is not signed, it is not protected. So the protocol has to include the date in the signature. (Actually I think most email encryption protocols do this, but the point is that the formal description of what is signed may not show that.) Only what is signed is protected. Even the date may not be enough. Suppose Alice and Bob are separately negotiating two different contracts, using a threaded mail reader which uses Reply-To: or some similar fields in the mail header so that exchanges with regard to one contract are shown separately from exchanges with regard to the other. Then Alice might send, "Bob, the deal is off," including a date in the signature, and expect it to apply just to the deal being negotiated in that thread, because that's how her mail software shows it. However Bob can take the message and claim that it applied to the other thread. In this case, other context that was in the minds of Alice and Bob is not being covered by the signature. This is really the general form of the issue being discussed. What is in the minds of the participants, what assumptions are they making that are not being written down? This is why we have lawyers and contracts and fine print. These institutions and practices are the result of centuries of people weaseling out of contracts in various ways. It is mistaken to think that we can solve this problem by a little cryptographic legerdemain involving copying a field from the outer encryption envelope into the inner signature. That does not begin to cover all of the things that can go wrong. The only real solution is to use the advice and experience of the legal system when negotiating a contract which will bind the parties. Make sure everything is written down and sign a document which is as clear, specific and free of ambiguity as possible. It's not a cryptographic issue, and failures of this kind are not cryptographic failures. Cryptography can't read the minds of the parties involved and know that all of their assumptions are included in the signed portion. The real solution is for the communicants to take the responsibility to put everything there that is needed. Only what is signed is protected. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Fri Jun 22 14:44:34 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:44:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: OPT: Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:00:33 -0400 From: "Jeffrey I. Schiller" To: Derek Atkins Cc: Don Davis , cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards In fact there are many applications where the separation of the signing operation from the encryption operation are useful and important. Encryption provides a different service then the underlying signature. It protects the document from being read by unintended recipients. The signature can provide proof later that the sender did in fact sign the message. It is always the case that one must be careful what one writes in e-mail, for once delivered to the recipient, the sender looses control of the document. In fact this threat even exists in paper mail. If Alice sends Bob a "The deal is off" letter, but doesn't mark the letter with enough context, Bob can always physically forward the letter to a third party and claim it is from Alice. I believe it is important that message signatures outlive the message's encryption layer. If I receive a signed/encrypted message. I will loose the ability to decrypt it if I loose my private key (or intentionally destroy it to prevent its future compromise). However if I remove the encryption and store the message signed (perhaps protected by other mechanisms in my mail store), I can always verify the signature as long as I have access to the sender's certificate chain. No secrets have to be saved. Btw. I don't believe S/MIME has timestamps in its signature format. PGP does. PGP also implements a "for her eyes only" feature that only permits an encrypted message to be displayed, but not saved in a file. Now of course a sufficiently clever person can circumvent this protection. I am now wondering how hard it would be to circumvent this feature *and* keep the original message signature (of course if you have the PGP source code, you can do this). However, having said all this, Don has a point. There may be a class of message where you want to prove that you originated it *only to the original sender*. If he has a way to do that, it sounds like a good thing. But there isn't a flaw in secure e-mail, just a missing service. -Jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From ericm at lne.com Fri Jun 22 17:26:57 2001 From: ericm at lne.com (Eric Murray) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:26:57 -0700 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare In-Reply-To: <200106222343.TAA17806@www0.aa.psiweb.com>; from George@Orwellian.Org on Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 07:43:21PM -0400 References: <200106222343.TAA17806@www0.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <20010622172657.A31057@slack.lne.com> On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 07:43:21PM -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > # Subject: Re: The Art of Submarine Warfare > # Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:11:35 -0700 > # From: Eric Murray > # To: cypherpunks at lne.com > # > # There's no cpunks mail in the queue at lne. > # If you're still subscribed (there's no > # "George at Orwellian.Org" in the subscriber list but > # I assume that's not the address you receive > # mail at) then it went out to wherever you are or > # to a site that MXd for you. > > I received the above via my subscription route, > which is cyberpass.net. > > Sub name is cypherpunks at Orwellian.Org. > > So, three emails were dropped, to me at least. > That is, they didn't make it from lne thru > cyberpass. We don't feed cyberpass directly. I don't remember if there was a problem feeding it or if I just didn't turn it on. I've turned it on now. One drawback of the decentralized kludged-up CDR system is that it's difficult to trace problems. All I can tell is that all the cpunks mail left here in the usual time. What happened on the other nodes I can't say. Maybe the operator of the cyberpass node can? Eric From tigger6000 at icytundra.com Fri Jun 22 15:27:50 2001 From: tigger6000 at icytundra.com (tigger6000 at icytundra.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:27:50 -0500 Subject: I WAS SICK OF BEING FAT!! Message-ID: <7v3i3t2wli7y1.28p01n7yx4yhw3421@mail3.icytundra.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 8517 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gbroiles at well.com Fri Jun 22 17:29:29 2001 From: gbroiles at well.com (Greg Broiles) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:29:29 -0700 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare In-Reply-To: <200106222208.SAA22807@www3.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622165744.030306f0@pop.well.com> At 06:08 PM 6/22/2001 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: >So, they can pull you over for no reason? >She asked repeatedly if she'd done anything >wrong, the Copper said it was a checkpoint >thang. The US Supreme Court last addressed this in November 2000 - their conclusion is that checkpoints may be legal if they're done for a permissible reason. The federal government may conduct checkpoints to identify illegal aliens near border crossings; and states and cities may conduct checkpoints to detect drunk drivers or license/equipment violations if the checkpoints are intended to ensure highway safety. Checkpoints are not permitted if they were operated, as they were in _City of Indianapolis v. Edmond_ , for a general law enforcement purpose. So, if you're a police department, don't set up any of those "drug dealer" checkpoints, because they're not OK - but if you see a lot of drug dealers in a particular neighborhood, you can go ahead and set up a drivers' license/registration/proof-of-insurance/taillight *safety* checkpoint in that neighborhood, and if you happen to run across any evidence of drug possession or use or sale while you're conducting a safety checkpoint, well, so be it . . . Also take a look at , though they don't have the _Edmond_ case on their site yet, so perhaps they're not wildly up-to-date. State constitutional provisions may provide greater privacy protection - California's doesn't, Oregon's does (though not necessarily in a car stop/checkpoint context), I've got no idea what Virginia's constitution says or how it's interpreted. I mention this law-geek point only as a reminder that there are frequently two constitutions regulating government behavior, and it's very common (even among lawyers) to forget about the state constitution. State constitutions are also a wonderful way for state courts to disagree with the US Supreme Court without getting overruled, at least in the direction of limiting government actors - they merely need to interpret their own state's constitution to be more protective of individual rights, where the US Supreme Court and the US Constitution represent a baseline or "floor" for protection, not the "ceiling". Oregon courts have done this with respect to search and seizure and have developed their own body of more sensible search and seizure jurisprudence which avoids the result-oriented federal trainwreck. California was doing this, too, but that got chopped off at the knees by a bunch of Republicans a few years ago and now CA's constitution is interpreted mostly as an identical copy of the US constitution, on criminal law topics. >I can check out Radio Shack, etc, but does anyone have >recommendations for (hidden) wireless transmitter mics? Be careful here, with your state's surveillance/wiretap/recording rules, with respect to being in a 1-party state or a 2-party state - I've heard that CA cops can be very aggressive re prosecution versus citizens who make audio recordings of them without consent. >Also, what can take out a surveillance camera from a >distance? An Edmund Scientific laser? How about the >ones in a dark glass bowl? I have wondered about this but don't have answers. One direction of thought and research which might be productive is nondestructively temporarily disabling the camera, perhaps by flooding its light sensor with a focused beam of light, like a flashlight or laser - it's going to compensate for that level of lighting, leaving the rest of the frame underexposed, as long as it's misled by that local brightness. Also, if you're monkeying with cop cameras, that *would* probably be obstruction of justice or interfering with a police officer or whatever your local "don't fuck with the cops" statute is. -- Greg Broiles gbroiles at well.com "Organized crime is the price we pay for organization." -- Raymond Chandler From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Fri Jun 22 15:52:59 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:52:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Two Countries, One City (A civil , libertarian/anarcho-capitalist challenge?) In-Reply-To: <3B33C808.976A83FA@lsil.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 mmotyka at lsil.com wrote: > Oddly enough, this topic came up at home this morning over coffee and > pastries on the front porch with someone from a similarly troubled > country. Even more oddly, we were in agreement. > > Want to begin improving the lives of poor people around the world? For > starters it seems to me that everywhere the Spanish colonized is royally > fucked-up. Family planning will do more to ease the suffering and > improve the lot of the poor than a whole grand canyon full of pious, > chanting padres. It seems to me that anywhere anybody colonized it is royaly fucked up, unless they bought their indepence with blood (and then a case can be made it is only marginally better there/here). > As for the "civil libertarian/anarcho-capitalist challenge" the poor in > these areas ( Mexico, SA, Philippines ) barely have resources to feed > their children and don't have the energy or the will to think about > political philosophy and realization through technology. That is the > domain of their masters, the well-off. A counter point is the amount of business in those regions. If one follows the standard free market or CACL responce then as business moves in you would expect to see a general increase across the board. There's even a comment about 'middle class' in the article. A more 'cynical/real world' view would be that the plight of these people won't improve until those outside begin to hold the economic and political authorities to task for their actions and the consequences to the general population. After all, the rational strategy with respect to increase profit and decrease cost is to 'defect' (in the same sense if not for the same reasons as a PD) with respect to pay and benefits. It also holds itself out as a good example of why the 'information' requisite for 'free market' dynamics isn't a natural of human business enterprise, business puts great stock on knowning something the competition doesn't (in this case competition for the profit margin between the managers/share holders of the company and the employees). -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From George at Orwellian.Org Fri Jun 22 15:08:49 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare Message-ID: <200106222208.SAA22807@www3.aa.psiweb.com> # From: Greg Broiles # To: Harmon Seaver # Cc: George at Orwellian.Org, cypherpunks at lne.com # Date: Fri, 22 Jun 01 16:49PM EDT # Subject: Re: The Art of Submarine Warfare # # At 01:22 PM 6/22/2001 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: # # > Listen to it again -- doesn't she say "I'm recording this"?? # # Yes, she does - but the recorder would either have been on her person (in # which case it would have been taken from her before she was sitting in the # back of the police car), or in her car. And the repy at Date: Fri, 22 Jun 01 14:20PM EDT And the repy at Date: Fri, 22 Jun 01 13:59PM EDT What does 'lne' stand for, "Late, or NEver"? I only received the above due to the direct Cc. ---- Anyway, I agree now it was a police recording. So, they can pull you over for no reason? She asked repeatedly if she'd done anything wrong, the Copper said it was a checkpoint thang. ---- Just got a Sony D-EJ721: a diskman that can play multi-session CD-RWs. Nice. ---- I can check out Radio Shack, etc, but does anyone have recommendations for (hidden) wireless transmitter mics? Also, what can take out a surveillance camera from a distance? An Edmund Scientific laser? How about the ones in a dark glass bowl? http://www.notbored.org From ytmuq at privacyx.com Fri Jun 22 16:17:44 2001 From: ytmuq at privacyx.com (ytmuq at privacyx.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:17:44 -0500 Subject: 100% Bonus! ucduc Message-ID: <200106222317.SAA03595@geolserv.geology.psu.ru. > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 4977 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com Fri Jun 22 16:39:18 2001 From: ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:39:18 -0500 Subject: Slashdot | Judge Sues ISP for Poor Service Message-ID: <3B33D726.F506E8C3@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/22/237251.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com Fri Jun 22 17:05:30 2001 From: ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:05:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Dropped Traffic Message-ID: I've received no significant bounces or other problems. I'm currently feeding on the backbone: minder.net openpgp.net algebra.com pro-dns.net Problematic Feeds (ie they were working but not now): htp.org (retired) cyberpass.net (was getting DNS and bounces, is it ok now?) koeln.ccc.de (Bounce Baby Bounce, it is ok now or really a dodo?) lne.com (ISP has Open Relay filtering enabled, so much for free speech) If anyone wants me to add them on the backbone please reply privately. And what happened to the Canadian and Indian cypherpunks lists? Is there any real interest/objection to subscribing say SSZ to the lists so their traffic gets carried over? Are there any active participants in either list currently subscribed to the CDR? Looking for bright active persons to host even more CDR nodes!!! Start yours today. A global enterprise. (How come Sealand doesn't host a node?) -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 8328 bytes Desc: not available URL: From reeza at flex.com Fri Jun 22 22:32:23 2001 From: reeza at flex.com (Reese) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:32:23 -1000 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare In-Reply-To: <010a01c0fb88$62793ad0$03d36b3f@pacer.com> References: <200106222208.SAA22807@www3.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010622192613.00dc92e0@flex.com> BUT - what are they randomly checking for? The officer only asks for her ID, to establish her identity, that's a law enforcement function, he never asks for her registration, which would marginally be a safety/compliance function. At 04:01 PM 6/22/01, Jon Beets wrote: >Random roadside checks have been legal in many states for years.... I can >remember them as far back as 1982 in Texas. > >Jon Beets >Pacer Communications > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "Tim May, El Presidente" >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:08 PM >Subject: Re: The Art of Submarine Warfare > > >> ---- >> >> Anyway, I agree now it was a police recording. >> >> So, they can pull you over for no reason? >> She asked repeatedly if she'd done anything >> wrong, the Copper said it was a checkpoint >> thang. From George at Orwellian.Org Fri Jun 22 16:43:21 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare Message-ID: <200106222343.TAA17806@www0.aa.psiweb.com> # Subject: Re: The Art of Submarine Warfare # Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:11:35 -0700 # From: Eric Murray # To: cypherpunks at lne.com # # There's no cpunks mail in the queue at lne. # If you're still subscribed (there's no # "George at Orwellian.Org" in the subscriber list but # I assume that's not the address you receive # mail at) then it went out to wherever you are or # to a site that MXd for you. I received the above via my subscription route, which is cyberpass.net. Sub name is cypherpunks at Orwellian.Org. So, three emails were dropped, to me at least. That is, they didn't make it from lne thru cyberpass. The above one did make it. From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Fri Jun 22 19:00:24 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:00:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare In-Reply-To: <20010622172657.A31057@slack.lne.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Eric Murray wrote: > One drawback of the decentralized kludged-up CDR system > is that it's difficult to trace problems. ????? I'll have to disagree - it's simple and reliable. What makes this incident stand out is how little mail gets lost. How few problems we realy do have over a given period with the network. Usually there is little if any question of which box has thrown a bit or gone deaf. Getting a hold of the operator can be a chore sometime. There's not a lot of discussion between the operators really. Now, as to dropped mail. It happens sometimes. 3 messages from one user getting dropped sounds more like a problem on the source end than in the CDR itself. Usually when a node starts throwing dup'es or dropping email wholesale (we've had this problem in the past) the hue and cry go up pretty quickly. Perhaps somebody rm'ed some buffer, sendmail went core, whatever. The question is does it happen again and if so what are it's characteristics compaired to this incident. Cover your sixes. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From Jon.Beets at pacer.com Fri Jun 22 19:01:15 2001 From: Jon.Beets at pacer.com (Jon Beets) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:01:15 -0500 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare References: <200106222208.SAA22807@www3.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <010a01c0fb88$62793ad0$03d36b3f@pacer.com> Random roadside checks have been legal in many states for years.... I can remember them as far back as 1982 in Texas. Jon Beets Pacer Communications ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Tim May, El Presidente" Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: Re: The Art of Submarine Warfare > ---- > > Anyway, I agree now it was a police recording. > > So, they can pull you over for no reason? > She asked repeatedly if she'd done anything > wrong, the Copper said it was a checkpoint > thang. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 6542 bytes Desc: not available URL: From schear at lvcm.com Fri Jun 22 23:50:04 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:50:04 -0700 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010622165744.030306f0@pop.well.com> References: <200106222208.SAA22807@www3.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010622234500.041bf168@pop3.lvcm.com> At 05:29 PM 6/22/2001 -0700, Greg Broiles wrote: >At 06:08 PM 6/22/2001 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: >>Also, what can take out a surveillance camera from a >>distance? An Edmund Scientific laser? How about the >>ones in a dark glass bowl? > >I have wondered about this but don't have answers. One direction of >thought and research which might be productive is nondestructively >temporarily disabling the camera, perhaps by flooding its light sensor >with a focused beam of light, like a flashlight or laser - it's going to >compensate for that level of lighting, leaving the rest of the frame >underexposed, as long as it's misled by that local brightness. > >Also, if you're monkeying with cop cameras, that *would* probably be >obstruction of justice or interfering with a police officer or whatever >your local "don't fuck with the cops" statute is. No need to use something so targeted at the cop camera, just install rear-facing infrared floods and keep them on all the time. (Cadillac drivers with the new night-driving, IR, heads-up displays will be particularly upset..) The IR cut-off filters of most cameras are too broad to block invisible near IR, so the floods will cause the AGC to greatly darken the image as described above. steve From armeggedon at beer.com Sat Jun 23 06:54:50 2001 From: armeggedon at beer.com (Chris) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 06:54:50 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200106231046.f5NAkIx21724@ak47.algebra.com> From armeggedon at beer.com Sat Jun 23 06:54:51 2001 From: armeggedon at beer.com (Chris) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 06:54:51 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200106231046.f5NAkIx21725@ak47.algebra.com> From armeggedon at beer.com Sat Jun 23 06:54:53 2001 From: armeggedon at beer.com (Chris) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 06:54:53 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200106231046.f5NAkEv27540@rigel.cyberpass.net> From armeggedon at beer.com Sat Jun 23 06:54:58 2001 From: armeggedon at beer.com (Chris) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 06:54:58 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <200106231041.DAA03364@ecotone.toad.com> From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Sat Jun 23 11:47:57 2001 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Notification of Internet Violations In-Reply-To: <20010623163742.15956.qmail@mikeycomics.com> from "Net Authority Investigations" at Jun 23, 2001 04:37:42 PM Message-ID: <200106231847.f5NIlvk30351@artifact.psychedelic.net> Net Authority writes: > Dear Joe Cypherpunk, > It has recently been brought to our attention that you are, or have > been, in violation of the Net Authority Acceptable Internet Usage > Guidelines. It has been reported that you distribute and/or view > offensive materials over the Internet. > Net Authority has investigated these claims and verified that they are > true. > As a result, your personal information has been added to one or more Net > Authority Internet offender databases. Your information will be stored > in the databases until enough evidence has been gathered against you to > warrant further actions. To help avoid such a situation, it is strongly > recommended that you cease your immoral actions on the Internet at once. > You have been added to the following databases: > - Hate Literature Offenders > - Pornography Offenders > - Child Pornography Offenders > - Bestiality Offenders > - Homosexual Pornography Offenders > - General Blasphemy Offenders Poor Joe Cypherpunk. First Mike Echols called him an "Internet Child Sex Predator and Child Pornographer" and now this. Oh, the humanity. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From jya at pipeline.com Sat Jun 23 12:25:08 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:25:08 -0700 Subject: NSA Snooping Domestic Crypto Message-ID: <200106231625.MAA28864@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Debate on whether the NSA spies domestically on US persons appears to be "yes" according to USSID 18, dated July 23, 1993, which was obtained by the National Security Archive a while back, for which we offer an HTML: http://cryptome.org/nsa-ussid18.htm Parts previously redacted concerning domestic surveillance are now revealed, among them these provisions for acquiring and retaining indefinitely domestically acquired encipherments: [Quote] (2) Domestic communications reasonably believed to contain technical data base information may be retained for a period sufficient to allow a thorough exploitation and to permit access to data that are, or are reasonably believed likely to become, relevant to a current or future foreign intelligence requirement. Sufficient duration may vary with the nature of the exploitation. (S-CCO) a. In the context of a cryptanalytic effort, maintenance of technical data bases requires retention of all communications that are enciphered or reasonably believed to contain secret meaning, and sufficient duration may consist of any period of time during which encrypted material is subject to, or of use in, cryptanalysis. (S-CCO) b. In the case of communications that are not enciphered or otherwise thought to contain secret meaning, sufficient duration is one year unless the Deputy Director for Operations, NSA, determines in writing that retention for a longer period is required to respond to authorized foreign intelligence or counterintelligence requirements. (S-CCO) [End quote] Again, these sections were censored in versions of USSID 18 previously made public, a 1980 version here: http://cryptome.org/nsa-ussid18-80.htm While the quoted material is a small part of the 52-page document, variations on it are repeated more than once, and seems to be the one exception to the requirement to avoid domestic interceptions and to destroy any that are inadvertently acquired. The classification (S-CCO) is not explained but some think it perhaps indicates material limited to the UK/USA agreement and/or the Echelon partners. A better answer is welcomed. From pelliott at io.com Sat Jun 23 11:29:58 2001 From: pelliott at io.com (Paul Elliott) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:29:58 -0500 Subject: [alg] OPT: Re: crypto flaw in secure mail standards (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from ravage@ssz.com on Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 04:42:06PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010623132958.A3813@io.com> There is another problem, because the clock of a modern computer can be set to any given time, there is no purely cryptographic way to be satisfied that a given document existed at a given time, if you do not trust the computer (and the person controling it) generating the timestamp. There is a third party solution to this problem exiting on the internet. The "PGP Digital Timestamping Service" at http://www.itconsult.co.uk/stamper.htm In the general case, there is no reason to mistrust this third party, since the service is automated, and does not have time to scan your timestamp requests to participate in order to comspire against you. In addition, summaries of timestamp requests are posted to usenet newgroups, where they are presumably archived at many archiving sites. Thus if you do carefull checking, the only way timestamp fraud could work would be if this site, together with all the usenet archiving sites that you checked, were engaged in a conspiracy against you. Hopefully, you will think the probablility of this is small. -- Paul Elliott 1(512)837-9345 1(512)837-1096PGP Digital Timestamping Service pelliott at io.com PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd Suite J http://www.io.com/~pelliott/pme/ Austin TX 78758-3117 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available URL: From declan at well.com Sat Jun 23 11:43:42 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:43:42 -0400 Subject: No panties? In-Reply-To: <3B30CB1C.CFB45911@fbi.gov>; from jd@fbi.gov on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:11:09AM -0700 References: <3B30CB1C.CFB45911@fbi.gov> Message-ID: <20010623144342.A29601@cluebot.com> I can confirm that Jeff Gordon is not Blanc Weber: http://www.mccullagh.org/image/10/blanc-weber.html For instance, there is no reliable evidence that Jeff Gordon wears panties, though it is clear that he's far more of an avid reader of cypherpunks than Ms. Weber: http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=01/04/11/238254&mode=thread -Declan On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:11:09AM -0700, John Doe #2 wrote: > At 05:28 PM 6/15/01 +0000, Steve Thompson wrote: > >For many reasons, we have been perusing the archives in order to > resolve a > >number of burning questions. One such question revolves around the the > > >erstwhile entity, Blanc Weber. Despite much heated discussion on the > subject, > >a first-order analysis of the archives clearly shows that we may not be > > >certain on the question of whether or not Blanc wore panties. > > Odd, we had the same feeling at the time; in fact we suspected that BW > was JG. > However Declan has a picture of an older woman captioned Blanc Weber, so > > perhaps not. From declan at well.com Sat Jun 23 11:46:22 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:46:22 -0400 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010621075338.00845930@pop.sprynet.com>; from honig@sprynet.com on Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 07:53:38AM -0700 References: <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620193059.A3621@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010621075338.00845930@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <20010623144622.B29601@cluebot.com> On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 07:53:38AM -0700, David Honig wrote: > At 07:30 PM 6/20/01 -0400, Riad S. Wahby wrote: > >The DMCA, according to the court, clearly prevents the use of DeCSS > >and css-auth, even in the case that it has a legitimate use, because > >it circumvents the access control measures built into the DVD > >standard. > > We both know that's an incorrect ruling that will be reversed. I covered the trial and the appeal, and I would not make such a strong claim. -Declan From declan at well.com Sat Jun 23 11:56:17 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:56:17 -0400 Subject: Critiques of Libertarianism In-Reply-To: ; from ravage@einstein.ssz.com on Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 04:47:10PM -0500 References: <6b10a8bbed127ed54fb37ad92f7696b5@public.webmail.cotse.com> Message-ID: <20010623145617.C29601@cluebot.com> On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 04:47:10PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > And you're proud you don't have to listen to folks before you stick 'em in > a box? Bullshit, Libertarians choose to call themselves by that label, > it's a self imposed box. Your criticism is without merit. Or perhaps the > ghost of Wittgenstein will walk through you... > I'll regret responding to Choate sooner than later, I suspect, but in my experience, most people who are libertarians don't call themselves that. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1056 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Jon.Beets at pacer.com Sat Jun 23 15:53:17 2001 From: Jon.Beets at pacer.com (Jon Beets) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 17:53:17 -0500 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare Message-ID: <00b501c0fc37$4aedc070$03d36b3f@pacer.com> Randomly checking for a drivers license which you are required to have when driving. Many people who have had their drivers license suspended often drive their vehicles anyway. I would assume most states (if not all) require you to surrender you drivers license to the police when asked. I believe the law actually views the drivers license as the property of the state which would be where they have the right to revoke it. Jon Beets Pacer Communications ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reese" To: "Jon Beets" ; Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 12:32 AM Subject: Re: The Art of Submarine Warfare > BUT - what are they randomly checking for? The officer only asks for her > ID, to establish her identity, that's a law enforcement function, he never > asks for her registration, which would marginally be a safety/compliance > function. > > At 04:01 PM 6/22/01, Jon Beets wrote: > >Random roadside checks have been legal in many states for years.... I can > >remember them as far back as 1982 in Texas. > > > >Jon Beets > >Pacer Communications > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 2066 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sat Jun 23 18:13:23 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:13:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [v-nv-mobilize] Gap's New Image (fwd) Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- To: "v-nv-mobilize" Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: [v-nv-mobilize] Gap's New Image > Gap's New Image > > On Monday, June 18th Gap unveiled a new promotional > display at stores nationwide. > > Faded black jeans hanging in front of an anarchist-red > banner, the words "INDEPENDENCE," "FREEDOM," and "WE > THE PEOPLE" scrawled across display windows in fake > black spray paint. > > Despite the fact that Gap makes their clothes in > sweatshops, and have been subject to many > demonstrations across the nation, they believe that > the growing movement against corporate power is now > large enough to begin marketing on. Now the protest > itself can be essentially sold to consumers as an > image. > > However ridiculous this new marketing scheme seems at > first, due to the tremendous power of corporate > advertising over consumers, Gap just might pull it > off, trivializing the movement against free trade, and > selling jeans at the same time. > > The effect that this new marketing could have on the > movement is tremendous. If Gap succeeds, it will mean > that every protest that is staged will be building on > their new image, in effect turning protestors and > activists into living, walking ads for Gap. Further, > if Gap succeeds it may become a trendsetter, and other > corporations might follow. > > Currently, the majority of consumers are unaware of > how Gap stands on "independence" and "freedom." > > Gap inc. is the corporation under which Gap, Old Navy, > and Banana Republic exist. All three companies have > been notorious for paying sweatshop workers as little > as 11 cents per hour in the third world, denying them > basic health care and the right to form unions, as > well as harassing, beating and forcing contraceptives > on them. Sweatshop workers generally work 12-14 hour > days (although sometimes 24) and can be as young as 12 > years old. > > Although many of Gap's clothes say "Made in USA" they > are actually produced in Saipan, a US territory where > normal US labor laws do not exist. > > The Fisher Family that owns Gap also owns Mendicino > Redwood Company, an active logging company that is > deforesting the valuable redwood forests in Mendicino > County, California. The Fisher family also has a > notorious reputation for lobbying for privatizion of > education and other public works in their home state > of California. > > It appears that to Gap inc., "Freedom" and > "Independence" only applies to the market, not the > people. > > For more info visit: gapsucks.org, globalexchange.org, > and sweatwatch.org -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sat Jun 23 19:31:58 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:31:58 -0500 Subject: The Register: 'Chinaman' dethrones 'Hacker' on cyber-terror hit parade Message-ID: <3B35511E.B650D8ED@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19922.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 1359 bytes Desc: not available URL: From amaha at vsnl.net Sat Jun 23 11:26:49 2001 From: amaha at vsnl.net (Fountain Of Joy) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 23:56:49 +0530 (IST) Subject: Thought-A-Day Message-ID: <20010623182649.091569F1F@mmb1.vsnl.net.in> Health is natural,sickness requires efforts --Dr.Andrew Weil ***************************************************************************** Your name has been recommended to receive thoughts of wisdom from Fountain of Joy.These refreshing thoughts will be delivered,free of cost,to your desktop,everyday,for an initial evaluation period.We believe that the meaningful insights of these carefully selected thoughts will bring peace,success & happyness in your life. If you would like your near and dear ones to receive these thoughts,please send their email addresses to amaha at vsnl.net We apologise if this email is received by you in error.If you desire to unsubscribe,reply to this email with 'remove' in the subject line. Thank you. ----Director, Fountain of Joy (Non-religious Organisation) From rsw at MIT.EDU Sat Jun 23 21:51:02 2001 From: rsw at MIT.EDU (Riad S. Wahby) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:51:02 -0400 Subject: crypto flaw in secure mail standards In-Reply-To: ; from warlord@MIT.EDU on Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 01:27:14PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010624005102.A21764@positron.mit.edu> Derek Atkins wrote: > The problem is not at all with the crypto. The problem is with the > integration of the crypto with applications like e-mail. In this spirit, I have produced a patch for Mutt that adds an option to include the To:, From:, CC:, and Subject: headers at the end of PGP signed messages. This patch happens to interact somewhat with a previous patch I produced that allows Mutt to optionally send PGP messages as content-type text/plain for broken mail clients like nmh and Eudora, so I have integrated both into a single patch. It applies against mutt-1.2.5i; I haven't tested it against others, but I suspect it should work fine. http://positron.mit.edu/pub/plaintextappend.patch ftp://positron.mit.edu/pub/plaintextappend.patch -- Riad Wahby rsw at mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105 From declan at well.com Sat Jun 23 22:39:09 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 01:39:09 -0400 Subject: McVeigh's death spurs outcry against poetry, by Mad Cow Culture Message-ID: <20010624013909.B13637@cluebot.com> ----------- Forwarded message ----------- To subscribe to the low-volume Mad Cow Culture email announcement list: http://www.madcowculture.com/list.html ====== http://www.madcowculture.com/madcow-00077.html MCVEIGH'S DEATH SPURS OUTCRY AGAINST POETRY By Mad Cow Culture (madcowculture at madcowculture.com) June 17, 2001 By misappropriating as his death bed chant "Invictus," the famous poem by W.E.Henley, mad cow bomber Timothy McVeigh has created an infamous stink, raising important legal, philosophical and academic issues. W.E.Henley IV, great-grandson of the poet, is furious that a mass murder would pervert lines written by a relative who overcame enormous suffering to excel as a magazine writer. The great-grandson, who has threatened to sue the McVeigh estate for "malicious misappropriation of iambic pentameter," thinks authorities should have at least amputated one of the bomber's legs so he, like the poet, "could be one with the poem." The original Henley lived to have quite a future. Robert Louis Stevenson used Henley as the prototype for Long John Silver of "Treasure Island." Rodin sculpted Henley's bust which is now found at the National Portrait Gallery in London. Great-grandson Henley said "McVeigh committed another crime by appropriating the poem without the suffering. Even the right wing wackos understand this. No one is even buying bogus McVeigh memorabilia on Ebay. The guy is history." McVeigh might be history but not the fuss caused by his deathbed invocation of "Invictus." The Dallas School Board has opted to remove all literature textbooks which contain the poem from its classrooms. Board President Dr. Jerry James said in a prepared report "We will not expose impressionable students to a poem that has been used by a mass murderer to justify and celebrate his wicked acts. We are firm in our conviction that we will not be party to making this fiend a cult hero. In fact we intend to be master of our fate, and captain of our soul. I realize there are some First Amendment issues involved, but the primary concern for the Dallas School Board is the health and welfare of our children." The Dallas News has reported that the Board's edict might go further. Internet chat rooms are suggesting that during his high school years and during his service in the Gulf War, McVeigh was actually an avid reader of poetry. His high school sweetheart Jane Jones has allegedly claimed that McVeigh was an avid reader of Dylan Thomas "Do Not Go Gentle," Hamlet's soliloquy, and Robert Frost's "Out, Out--". Military friends have indicated that McVeigh had read "Atlas Shrugged" at least six times and had a fascination with Ahab in "Moby Dick." There is some speculation that McVeigh was secret admirer of Walt Whitman and has a particular love for "Song of Myself". These post-mortem finding have dismayed members of the now defunct, bankrupt and disgraced "McVeigh Fan Club" who lament that the "bomber should have gone out showing his sensitive, compassionate side." The Dallas School Boards, however, according to the Dallas News, is dismayed that this reading list, whether apocryphal or not, will become tainted by an association with a murderer. According to Dr. James, "The last thing we want is for students to be thinking that characters in Melville, Whitman, or Shakespeare are to be admired and emulated because a mass murderer embraced them. Frankly, we'd rather our students not read these works that are even more likely now to contaminate their minds." The Dallas School Board has not yet decided on a broader textbook ban but already textbook companies are getting the message and without any apparent coercion, are significantly reducing the amount of Thoreau, Emerson, Hawthorne, Melville, Whitman, Crane, and Twain in American Literature textbooks. Some textbook companies are simply creating entire literature texts around excerpts from the Bible, which has met with the quiet approval of school boards in Texas. In Dr. James opinion this effort "serves as a reasonable extension of President Bush's faith-based initiative. After all, there are no surprises in the Bible, and we are reasonably certain the murderer never read this book." Not everyone is so sanguine about these developments. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has already sought an injunction in Dallas Superior Court against this "flagrant violation of First Amendment Freedoms." The ACLU has lost the first round the court, which invited further briefs, wrote that "local school boards have the right to decide curriculum content. It is not the court's job to find motive." The ACLU has vowed to fight this "creeping religious hegemony that threatens our schools." Whatever the legality of the Dallas decision, school boards across America are looking intently at the drama and the court's response to date. School boards in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Mississippi and Florida who have already removed "The Exorcist', "Huck Finn," "Black Like Me," and other books from school libraries seem more emboldened. City schools in Detroit, Michigan have already removed most of the Great Books of Western Literature from school libraries and seem certain to complete the task, given the mood of the country. The American Library Association ALA) realizes it has a major battle on its hands. Dr. Gertrude Green, ALA President, said "We must resist punishing our literature and authors for the despicable acts of a mass murderer. Surely I don't have to remind people of the book burnings in Nazi Germany. Books were seen as the cause of Germany's problems." "Even school boards that act within the law will end up with a curriculum filled with antiseptic literature written by second rate authors. That is surely not what this country wants. After all, America is a multicultural society." ### ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. 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Message-ID: <3B361C70.16FDC925@ssz.com> Can somebody say extortion? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19923.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From free_100 at homepagesite.com Sun Jun 24 14:45:26 2001 From: free_100 at homepagesite.com (Free 100) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 14:45:26 -0700 Subject: All Free Message-ID: <200106242145.OAA13506@mail25.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Note that there are still a few errors on the website where the product is referred to as "Desktop Security", and the Mac What's New file has not yet been posted. These will be corrected shortly. - From this point forward, all What's New files will be posted online at the following location: http://www.pgp.com/products/whatsnew/ - ------ NEW FEATURES Modularity PGP Corporate Desktop has been split into four products: PGPmail - Email and File Security PGPdisk - Disk Security PGPvpn - IPsec Virtual Private Networking PGPfire - Personal Firewall and Personal IDS PGP Corporate Desktop is also available in the traditional form with all of the products integrated together. Each of the products can be installed and uninstalled in any combination to automatically combine the functionality. Smart Card Support PGP now provides full support for smart cards. Smart cards allow private key storage on secured hardware. 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PGP's enterprise-class Personal Firewall and Personal IDS (Intrusion Detection System) now supports the ability to specify applications associated with each firewall rule, and sports a significantly improved user interface. Firewall rule learning. PGP can now be told to watch your network traffic and write firewall rules dynamically for you. Notifications of unknown network traffic. PGP can now ask you whether you want to allow or deny applications from communicating over the network as they occur, and will automatically modify your firewall rules as appropriate based on your answers. Firewall rule sets can now be exported and imported. VPN IP Range support. In addition to the past support for VPN Subnets, PGP now supports Ranges. For many networks, especially extremely large networks, Ranges are a much superior way to specify the configuration of the network. Sniffer-format intrusion packet captures. Packets which cause the intrusion detection system to fire are now automatically captured and logged. They can later be analyzed using packet analysis tools such as Sniffer. Automatic IP Address block ownership tracing. When tracing Intruders, PGP will now provide information about the ownership of the IP Address block from which the intrusion originated. PGPfire is now compatible with the CheckPoint SecuRemote VPN client. Enhanced Exchange Server Support Exchange server identities, which are similar to ""/o=Acme/ou=HR/cn=Recipients/cn=JBob", can now be automatically added as a second PGP user ID when generating keys. The Outlook email plugin will automatically lookup identities of this form as well. This feature makes sending email using the Outlook plugin in an Exchange Server environment even more seamless. Large File Support PGP now supports file encrypt/decrypt/sign/verify operations on files greater than 2.5 Gigabytes. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.1 iQA/AwUBOzaMZay7FkvPc+xMEQINwgCdGvO2rRFMharJZTjELFvoapOgmgYAmwT5 L8nGRgAOd8g4eG5zJ8l/gJay =QiHt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From ybaker at justlikeme.net Sun Jun 24 21:27:44 2001 From: ybaker at justlikeme.net (ybaker at justlikeme.net) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:27:44 -0700 Subject: I thought you would like this Message-ID: <200106250427.VAA07353@ecotone.toad.com> ***apologies if you receive this by mistake. see end of message**** Have you heard of Just Like Me Books? These books are amazing, they teach children the missing pieces of Black history from Africa to America. 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S a n d y From die at die.com Sun Jun 24 22:47:32 2001 From: die at die.com (Dave Emery) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 01:47:32 -0400 Subject: The Art of Submarine Warfare In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010622234500.041bf168@pop3.lvcm.com>; from schear@lvcm.com on Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 11:50:04PM -0700 References: <200106222208.SAA22807@www3.aa.psiweb.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010622165744.030306f0@pop.well.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010622234500.041bf168@pop3.lvcm.com> Message-ID: <20010625014732.C17528@die.com> On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 11:50:04PM -0700, Steve Schear wrote: > > No need to use something so targeted at the cop camera, just install > rear-facing infrared floods and keep them on all the time. (Cadillac > drivers with the new night-driving, IR, heads-up displays will be > particularly upset..) Not sure this is true. Last I knew, the Caddy stuff was a true FLIR, based on sensing thermal IR from warm objects and not an old fashioned WW II/Korea era near IR sniperscope based on IR illumination by an IR floodlight. I suppose this may have changed with actual product introduction, but I think the images in their ads were clearly FLIR thermal IR images. (And lest the distinction not be clear, thermal IR at room temperatures is long wave IR as black bodies at 20 C don't radiate a hell of a lot at say 900 nm.). An illuminator that would activate the video AGC or light sensors on camcorders would obviously have to be near IR as the optics and sensors used don't pass or detect much long wave IR at all. The IR cut-off filters of most cameras are too broad > to block invisible near IR, so the floods will cause the AGC to greatly > darken the image as described above. > That is certainly true, although most CCD sensors will nicely detect and image the bright spot from the IR tail lights or whatever, and that would be a very good (and preserved on tape) indication of a deliberate intent which could easily result in nastier and more aggressive prosecution than might result from anything else during the stop. > steve -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die at die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18 From George at Orwellian.Org Mon Jun 25 04:07:57 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 07:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Police beanbag shotgun? Message-ID: <200106251107.HAA21249@www1.aa.psiweb.com> Ah, kinder, gentler, "less lethal" police ammo. [snipped] http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20010624/t000052342.html # # Woman Killed in Standoff with Long Beach (CA) Police # # Long Beach homicide detectives are investigating the death of # a 48-year-old woman shot by officers who fired beanbags during # a standoff outside her home. # # Reymer was hit in the arm and torso with beanbags fired from # a 12-gauge shotgun, Tabing said. Police were about 30 to 35 feet # away from her when they fired, after receiving the order from # a sergeant on the scene, she added. # # Beanbags, which police consider "less lethal" ammunition, are # used by police departments across the nation. The bags travel # much more slowly than bullets and are meant to control suspects # without killing them. # # Paramedics, already on the scene, rushed in to perform CPR, Taylor # said. "They rolled her over," he said. "There was no blood, but # she was not responding." From George at Orwellian.Org Mon Jun 25 04:08:45 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 07:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Police beanbag shotgun? Message-ID: <200106251108.HAA25368@www3.aa.psiweb.com> Ah, kinder, gentler, "less lethal" police ammo. [snipped] http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20010624/t000052342.html # # Woman Killed in Standoff with Long Beach (CA) Police # # Long Beach homicide detectives are investigating the death of # a 48-year-old woman shot by officers who fired beanbags during # a standoff outside her home. # # Reymer was hit in the arm and torso with beanbags fired from # a 12-gauge shotgun, Tabing said. Police were about 30 to 35 feet # away from her when they fired, after receiving the order from # a sergeant on the scene, she added. # # Beanbags, which police consider "less lethal" ammunition, are # used by police departments across the nation. The bags travel # much more slowly than bullets and are meant to control suspects # without killing them. # # Paramedics, already on the scene, rushed in to perform CPR, Taylor # said. "They rolled her over," he said. "There was no blood, but # she was not responding." From George at Orwellian.Org Mon Jun 25 04:37:05 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 07:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sorry about duplicate emails Message-ID: <200106251137.HAA22373@www1.aa.psiweb.com> I expect to change service providers in a couple weeks. PSINet is so fucked. 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On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Sparks, Charley wrote: > remove > From Charley.Sparks at bellsouth.com Mon Jun 25 07:53:18 2001 From: Charley.Sparks at bellsouth.com (Sparks, Charley) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:53:18 -0400 Subject: remove Message-ID: how the hell do you get out of this mess.. it used to be a good list -----Original Message----- From: Jordan Dimov [mailto:jdimov at cis.clarion.edu] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 10:49 AM To: Sparks, Charley Cc: cypherpunks at toad.com Subject: Re: remove Uh huh... Good luck. On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Sparks, Charley wrote: > remove > From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Mon Jun 25 08:21:05 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:21:05 -0400 Subject: ANGELIC IMPLANT (not!) Message-ID: Go back to the page and look again. They link to a correction that they are *not* currently developing implants. They *are* developing watches and pagers which use a combination of GPS and cellphone tech to track wearers, aimed particularly at the elder care and child markets - sort of a commercial version of the home incarceration monitoring ankle bracelets. Anyone who has worked with GPS knows that the fastest way to lose signal is to go in a house, or wrap your hand around the antenna. A GPS enabled implant sounds very unlikely. DA has been hyping this stuff for years (yes, including implants). I'll consider it vaporware until I see some independent evaluations. Peter Trei Disclaimer: The above represents my personal opinion only. > ---------- > From: Sandy Sandfort[SMTP:sandfort at mindspring.com] > Reply To: Sandy Sandfort > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:21 AM > To: Cypherpunks > Subject: ANGELIC IMPLANT > > C'punks, > > Here's an article about a human-implanted device: > > http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23232 > > It says in part: > > "Beginning July 15, Applied Digital Solutions will begin beta testing on > humans an implant technology capable of allowing users to emit a homing > beacon, have vital bodily functions monitored and confirm identity when > making e-commerce transactions.... > > Digital Angel. sends and receives data and can be continuously tracked by > global positioning satellite technology." > > Boy, that makes me feel comfortable. > > > S a n d y From aimee.farr at pobox.com Mon Jun 25 09:22:32 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:22:32 -0500 Subject: ANGELIC IDEA... BALEA In-Reply-To: <20010625113737.A17618@cluebot.com> Message-ID: >Boy, that makes me feel comfortable. > > > S a n d y http://www.ibia.org/newslett.htm Guest Column: The Promise and the Pitfalls of the Biometric ASP Model by Joseph J. Atick, Ph.D. "....The question of who owns the biometric templates needs to be addressed by the BASPs early on. Given the choice, a BASP would naturally want to own and control that data, as ultimately this may be its most valuable asset. However, the desire of the BASPs to own the data will not go unchallenged. Enterprises tend to be wary of losing control and very reluctant to hand over their customers data to a third party. The privacy concerns of the consumer and the associated liability will be considerations that will bolster an enterprises reluctance to relinquish control. One option for a BASP could be to reach the end-user directly and build a database of biometric templates. However, this requires offering a clear value proposition to consumers to entice them to enroll their templates and this may be a costly process." [...] *paranoid thoughts* SHORT TITLE: This title may be cited as the `Biometrics Assistance for Law Enforcement Act'. (At least the biometrics industry is taking the matter seriously: http://www.ibia.org/privacy.htm ) ~Aimee PS: I'm looking for surveillance and biometrics "codes of practice." If your organization has something they might be willing to share that could be relevant.... :) I'm not looking for consent-based "privacy policies." From jd at armyofone.org Mon Jun 25 11:33:39 2001 From: jd at armyofone.org (John Doe #N) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:33:39 -0700 Subject: French need to be spanked by Nazis, hard Message-ID: <3B378403.AE0042CF@army-of-one.org> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010622/wr/internet_hate_dc_2.html Friday June 22 1:32 PM ET Group Seeks Injunction to Block Racist Web Site By Catherine Bremer PARIS (Reuters) - A French anti-racism group is asking for an injunction to block access to a neo-Nazi U.S. Web portal, a move set to fuel a running debate about Internet controls. International Action for Justice (AIPJ), whose action comes amid transatlantic wrangling over a separate case against U.S. Internet service provider Yahoo! over xenophobic sites, wants France cut off from the U.S. ``Front14'' portal which acts as a free speech space for racists. Front 14's Web site, which carries the slogan ``online hate at its best,'' offers domain hosting, web animation and web marketing services for neo-Nazi organizations wanting to get onto the Internet. The site currently groups well over 400 racist Web sites and has scores more under construction, according to the AIPJ, which will seek the injunction in a Paris court on June 29. The debate pits those concerned about the proliferation of extreme material on the Internet against proponents of free speech and highlights the difficulties in applying national censorship laws to the Web. ``We are asking these national ISPs to prevent access to an address that is offering hosting and web services for illegal, neo-Nazi militant Web sites,'' said AIPJ's lawyer Stephane Lilti. ``We need to solve this problem. We cannot tolerate our laws being flouted by this site which acts like an incubator for nearly 500 neo-Nazi sites,'' he told Reuters, noting that some of the sites in question are based in France. AIPJ wants General Communication Inc., a U.S. Web site hosting company which carries front14.org, to be banned from offering access to the Web site to France-based Internet users. It also wants French ISP association AFA, whose members include all major French providers covering 87 percent of French Web users, to block access to the site. However, the AFA, which was not immediately available for comment Friday, has told the AIPJ it will not back its stand and argued that limiting access to Front14 would infringe on privacy rights as it would require controls on all Web users. Chicago-based General Communication was also unavailable for comment. The case comes amid an ongoing spat over a French lawsuit filed last year by barrister Charles Korman which resulted in a Paris court ordering Yahoo! to alter its American servers so that France-based Web surfers could not access Nazi-related material on the Internet. Yahoo! is still fighting the ruling. The Council of Europe is drafting the world's first treaty against cybercrime, a text due to be approved this month which could become a global standard to fight Internet crime. But the treaty has come under fire for being vague and Council deputies have expressed disappointment that there is no specific provision to make it illegal to spread racist propaganda and hate messages on the Web. ``Incitation to racial hatred is a crime and everybody knows that. And technically it is quite possible for ISPs to blacklist certain Web sites,'' Lilti said. From rabbi at quickie.net Mon Jun 25 11:36:34 2001 From: rabbi at quickie.net (Len Sassaman) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: - keysigning protocol loopholes In-Reply-To: <3B36B8F5.712C096F@softhome.net> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 2606 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rabbi at quickie.net Mon Jun 25 11:36:34 2001 From: rabbi at quickie.net (Len Sassaman) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: - keysigning protocol loopholes In-Reply-To: <3B36B8F5.712C096F@softhome.net> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 2606 bytes Desc: not available URL: From declan at well.com Mon Jun 25 08:37:37 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:37:37 -0400 Subject: ANGELIC IMPLANT (not!) In-Reply-To: ; from ptrei@rsasecurity.com on Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 11:21:05AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010625113737.A17618@cluebot.com> We had a discussion of this on Politech with a response (of sorts) from the company: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02162.html http://www.politechbot.com/p-02154.html http://www.politechbot.com/p-02153.html -Declan On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 11:21:05AM -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: > Go back to the page and look again. They link to a correction > that they are *not* currently developing implants. > > They *are* developing watches and pagers which use a combination > of GPS and cellphone tech to track wearers, aimed particularly at > the elder care and child markets - sort of a commercial version of the > home incarceration monitoring ankle bracelets. > > Anyone who has worked with GPS knows that the fastest way to > lose signal is to go in a house, or wrap your hand around the > antenna. A GPS enabled implant sounds very unlikely. > > DA has been hyping this stuff for years (yes, including implants). > I'll consider it vaporware until I see some independent evaluations. > > Peter Trei > > Disclaimer: The above represents my personal opinion only. > > > ---------- > > From: Sandy Sandfort[SMTP:sandfort at mindspring.com] > > Reply To: Sandy Sandfort > > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:21 AM > > To: Cypherpunks > > Subject: ANGELIC IMPLANT > > > > C'punks, > > > > Here's an article about a human-implanted device: > > > > http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23232 > > > > It says in part: > > > > "Beginning July 15, Applied Digital Solutions will begin beta testing on > > humans an implant technology capable of allowing users to emit a homing > > beacon, have vital bodily functions monitored and confirm identity when > > making e-commerce transactions.... > > > > Digital Angel. sends and receives data and can be continuously tracked by > > global positioning satellite technology." > > > > Boy, that makes me feel comfortable. > > > > > > S a n d y From mdurkee at vetrak.com Mon Jun 25 11:43:18 2001 From: mdurkee at vetrak.com (Mike Durkee) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:43:18 PM -0500 Subject: Longer Lasting Real-Time Vehicle Tracking Systems Message-ID: <200106252343.GAO4951@mail.qis.net> Hello Investigator Pro, Note: FYI to recipients who have yet to OPT-IN to VehicleTrak Newsletter. 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From hseaver at ameritech.net Mon Jun 25 10:01:10 2001 From: hseaver at ameritech.net (Harmon Seaver) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:01:10 -0500 Subject: gov pings Message-ID: <3B376E4A.D81850B0@ameritech.net> I'm getting a lot of pings on my server from linux.plano.gov -- like several times a day for weeks now. He has never, however, visited the web site (http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org), just pings it. Anybody got any idea what he's up to? I discovered it last night when my server got some sort of finger loop weirdness that really appeared like some sort of DOS attack, and he was the last IP to hit the server before that started. > un 24 23:20:22 cybershamanix kernel: auditIN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.105.235.30 > DST=64.108.120.44 LEN=1492 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=239 ID=27715 DF PROTO=ICMP TYP > E=8 CODE=0 ID=39612 SEQ=57072 > Jun 24 23:27:12 cybershamanix xinetd[1300]: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 7: c > an't verify hostname: gethostbyname(localhost.localdomain) failed > Jun 24 23:27:43 cybershamanix last message repeated 139 times > Jun 24 23:28:14 cybershamanix last message repeated 68 times > Jun 24 23:29:26 cybershamanix last message repeated 3 times > Jun 24 23:35:44 cybershamanix xinetd[1300]: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 7: c > an't verify hostname: gethostbyname(localhost.localdomain) failed > Jun 24 23:36:43 cybershamanix last message repeated 268 times > Jun 24 23:36:43 cybershamanix kernel: VFS: file-max limit 8192 reached > Jun 24 23:46:51 cybershamanix xinetd[1300]: Exiting... > -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver at cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver at ameritech.net From hseaver at ameritech.net Mon Jun 25 10:05:11 2001 From: hseaver at ameritech.net (Harmon Seaver) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:05:11 -0500 Subject: no web-based remailers? 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From berk_turkcan2001 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 13:52:29 2001 From: berk_turkcan2001 at yahoo.com (Berk Turkcan) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Crucial facts on life Message-ID: <20010625205229.96431.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Professor, I am a student who is attending Yeditepe University in Turkey. I would like to have your ideas on a very crucial point of science, which I describe briefly below. I am working on this subject as a project and will be privileged to hear your interpretations on the following questions: 1. The light coming from an object is transformed into electrical signals by the cells in the eye and then transmitted to the center of vision in the brain. And the electrical signals there are turned into an image. For example you actually see this message in your brain. Then who is the one that sees and perceives the image of this message in the brain? How do you define the consciousness that can see this image in the brain without the need of an eye? 2. Brain is a piece of flesh composed of lipids, proteins and other various molecules. Could the consciousness that sees this image be this piece of flesh? Or could the brain cells make up a consciousness that sees these electrical signals as a sea view or an e-mail message? 3. No light penetrates the skull, which means the brain is entirely in darkness. Then how does such an illuminated, clear image is formed in this pitch-dark place? For instance how are the rays of the sun seen over the unlit brain cortex? 4. Also no sound enters the brain. This means there is deep muteness where the brain exists. However, people listen to all different sounds inside the brain. The sound waves are turned into electrical signals inside of the ear and then transmitted to the center of hearing. And the consciousness inside the brain listens to these for instance as a melody. Then who is it that listens to the loud music aired from powerful loudspeakers and how? 5. The image is formed inside a miniature spot in the brain. Then how is the three-dimensional image with depth is formed on this diminutive screen? For instance when I look at the horizon or the sky, how is such an image with vast depth is formed at this tiny spot of center of vision just as identical to its original with the same depth and sense of distance? What is it that gives me the feeling of distance and space? 6. When a person sees a glass of water, in fact he does not see its real form but only a copy of it in his brain. The coldness that he feels when touching the glass surface is not the real coldness of the glass but only a copy of it. This means nobody is ever able to feel that he touches the real glass. Since it is not his fingers that feel the sense of touch, but merely the sense of touch in the brain. Should we not in this case conclude that people are never able to reach the reality of objects and can never touch the reality of a glass? But not every person knows this fact. Everyone thinks they touch and see real objects. Is it not strange that people are not aware of this and they never think about this? 7. Nothing changes when a person is hit by a bus or comes across a lion. Since, just like the image of the bus, the sense of collision or the fear while running away from a lion, all form in the brain. When I see a bus, I see it at the center of vision inside my brain. If I go and hold the door of the bus, I feel the coldness of the metal inside my brain. Then I cannot discriminate from this fact what happens when I feel pain if a bus hits or a lion bites. Then is it not very illogical when people say �it shows I am in contact with the bus or the lion because I feel pain when the bus hits or the lion bites�? 8. We live the entire period of our lives inside our brains. In a similar way, we also have dreams in our brain. For instance when we touch a piece of ice in our dream, we feel it is wet and cold. Or, when we smell a rose, we get the wonderful scent of it. We again sense the feelings of fear, pain, anxiety and panic in a similar fashion. Then are the dreams and the real life the same in this sense? 9. The person�s own body is also included in the images a person see. So, a person only sees the copy of his own body. This means every person all through his life lives in the cave in his skull where he never knows what is outside, including his own body and other objects. Now think over this happening once more: Right now are you inside of the room you are present or is the room inside of you? Isn�t the second alternative the right answer scientifically? 10. Let us imagine 5 different people who look at a garden of roses. Since every one of these people see the rose garden in his own brain, then aren�t there 5 different rose gardens in the brains of every one of the 5 people? Is the color red that each one sees the same with the other�s perception of red? Would there be any possibility to compare these? 11. We say that the original objects we see the copies of in our brain exist outside, but what if nothing exists outside? Because we never have the ability to test this or observe this. Then is it not dubious that the original objects are outside? At least there is a 50-50 percent possibility. Then how can we be sure that the original objects are outside? If there is no original object outside, then what is the entity that makes the images and the senses in our brain? 12. If we are living an illusion that has the possibility of not having any reality outside, then we may be existing in a very different place. For instance is it not possible for the entire humanity to exist right over a piece of crystal? Or is it not possible that the complete history of humanity has been experienced in a place not bigger than the head of a pin? Would there be anything to stop us thinking in such a broad extent? 13. Some people are incredibly afraid when these topics are discussed? What do you think the reason for this may be? Yours sincerely, Berk Turkcan May 8, 2001 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From notbored at panix.com Mon Jun 25 12:22:17 2001 From: notbored at panix.com (NOT BORED!) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:22:17 -0500 Subject: Surveillance Camera Players tour England Message-ID: http://www.notbored.org/8june01.html The Surveillance Camera Players tour England Between 8 and 18 June 2001, the Surveillance Camera Players (SCP) embarked upon an extended tour of England. Unlike Holland, which the SCP briefly visited in February 2000, England is filled with surveillance cameras. According to current estimates, there are over 1.5 million cameras (one for every 50 people) in operation. And there are plans to install even more, not just in London, but all over the country! Especially surveillance cameras that monitor automobile traffic (so-called "red light" cameras), which were being installed in every city the SCP visited: British politicians and police departments are absolutely crazy about them. Check out this recent photograph of the surveillance control room in the London borough of Newham to get an idea of what's going on. It's easy to see why this is happening. In addition to creating jobs and raising revenues, England's vast surveillance apparatus is very useful as a tool of politically motivated social control. For example: during the SCP's stay (on Monday 18 June 2001), the Evening Standard reported that the police had released pictures of six people "wanted in connection with serious offenses committed during the May Day riots." These very clear pictures of people's faces were "extracted from hundreds of hours of CCTV [closed-circuit television] and Metropolitan Police footage taken on the day." The paper went on to report that "police collected CCTV films from scores of shops and businesses located in and around Oxford Street and Tottenham Court Road, which were key meeting areas [note: not the locations where the serious offenses were allegedly committed] for the anti-capitalist protests." Arranged by e-mail in the months preceding the group's departure, the SCP's tour of England stopped in Bath, Bristol, Manchester and London. The group came prepared to perform five different plays: It's OK, Officer, which is designed to be performed by a mobile group of 3 to 7 people; We know you are watching: MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!, which can performed by 1 or 2 people who either remain stationary or travel around; God's Eyes Here on Earth, which is designed to be performed at churches or cathedrals only and by a group of 3 or more people; and two adaptations -- George Orwell's Animal Farm and Edgar Allan Poe's The Mask of the Red Death -- that require costumes, pre-planned movements and adequate time for rehearsal. Both Animal Farm and The Mask of the Red Death had been updated for the occasion. To comment upon the slaughter of over 6 million British animals, supposedly done in order to combat the spread of hoof-and-mouth and "mad cow disease," Animal Farm had been given a brand-new board. On it, a "cash cow," which is being strangled by a man wearing a tag that says "Agri-business," calls out, "Now I'm really mad!" And The Mask of the Red Death had been altered so that its reference to face recognition software wasn't limited to a specific company that manufacturers it. Unfortunately, neither the Orwell nor the Poe were performed in England. There was never time to bring together and rehearse with a sufficient number of players. Due to the high cost of traveling to England in the summer, the only members of the New York SCP who were able to go were Susan, Miranda and Bill. (In London, the group was augmented by Kimberly, who's now living in England.) Both adaptations require at least five performers to work. Bath is a very beautiful Roman town that has become a godawful tourist trap. During the afternoon of Saturday, 9 June 2001 -- that is to say, in the midst of "The Bath Fringe Festival" -- the SCP performed two plays: It's OK, Officer, which was presented to the three police surveillance cameras that are installed along Walcot Street, and God's Eyes Here on Earth, which was presented to the police surveillance camera installed in the courtyard at the front of Abbey Church. Both performances were videotaped for Network of the World by Roddy Mansfield, who also taped an extended interview segment with the group. Roddy also informed the SCP about a device called Cypher, which is a small, remote-controlled, unmanned flying saucer. Designed to fly into hostile territories and engage in video surveillance, Cypher can also be used to deliver up to 50 kilograms of tear-gas and other "non-lethal" weapons. During the first set of performances, the SCP were treated to a spectacle that they'd only seen once in their native country, namely, the weird sight of a surveillance camera catching sight of, turning to watch and, no doubt, zooming in on and videotaping one of their performances. This happened at both the first and the second surveillance cameras that the SCP visited as the group slowly made its way down Walcot Street. But, by the time the SCP reached the third and final surveillance camera, the officer assigned to watch the monitors had seen enough, and didn't want to see any more. And so, every time the SCP tried to position itself so that its performance could be seen by the surveillance camera, the officer turned the camera away and pointed it at something else! Absolutely delighted at the demonstrable results of their efforts, the SCP played "cat and mouse" with the officer for a little while, and then went off to prepare for their second performance of the day. Something of an anti-climax, the SCP's performance of God's Eyes Here on Earth at the Abbey Church went well but didn't produce a strong reaction, at least when compared with the reactions the SCP get when they perform the play in front of St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York. A security guard came out of the church to see what has going on, and he used his walkie-talkie to speak to someone, but nothing came of it. A lot of tourists from Japan, Germany and America took photographs and shot video of the performance. Except for four grey-haired Germans, who laughed out loud, slapped their thighs and gave the thumbs-up sign of approval, most of the tourists looked at and/or photographed the SCP's performance out of a sense of obligation, not because they were provoked or stimulated by the sight of a group of people, taking turns to get down on their knees and pray to a surveillance camera as if it were a sacred object or God. During the evening of Saturday, 9 June 2001, the SCP traveled from Bath to the nearby city of Bristol. With the help of Ian and Ben, the SCP ate a nice dinner and found its way to The Cube, an alternative film theater run entirely by volunteers. Sitting in the audience, the members of the SCP saw several superb video documentaries, including The Battle of the Beanfield and a few others that concerned violent police repression of efforts to hold Druid celebrations at Stonehedge during the Summer Solstice. After the main programme was over, the SCP showed one of its videotapes (the group's performance of Orwell's 1984), gave an informal talk that was ever-so-slightly affected in an adverse fashion by jet-lag and excessive alcohol consumption, and gamely tried to answer questions from the audience. Fortunately, those in attendance -- among them such worthies as Tony and Hogge and Heath -- were a tolerant lot, and so the evening passed very pleasantly indeed. The SCP were back in Bath for the afternoon of Sunday, 10 June 2001. In the midst of "National Walcot Day," the group once again performed It's OK, Officer directly in front of the three surveillance cameras that are installed along Walcot Street. Videotaped by Ben of I-Contact News, this series of performances was very well received by both the spectators and the other performers. A father of a six-year-old boy complained that more surveillance cameras in Bath meant more difficulty in getting his son to school without being spied upon. One of the MCs who was rapping along with heavy beats incorporated several of the SCP's slogans into his toast. On Monday, 11 June 2001, the SCP traveled up to Manchester. At 9 pm on Monday evening, the SCP gave a lengthy presentation at The Okasional Cafe, a squatted social center at 62 Charles Street. Very well received by the audience, the presentation included a detailed history of the group, a screening of the group's performance of Orwell's 1984, and an exploration of the various levels at which a typical SCP performance operates (as a denunication of surveillance; as a statement in favor of privacy; as a reclamation of public space; as an anarchist critique of politics; as a situationist critique of performance art; as a combination of politics and art; as a parody of confessing one's sins to a priest; and as forms of social experimentation and personal growth). To commemorate the European Parliament's recently released report on Echelon, the SCP also gave a spirited reading of the rather lengthy list of American military entities that surveill the group's web site. At the end of the presentation, the SCP announced that they were available to both perform with local activists and help make maps of camera locations in Manchester. During the early afternoon of Tuesday, 12 June 2001, the SCP assisted three local residents (Adele, Alex and Jay) in the time-consuming task of mapping camera locations in Manchester. Within a relatively small area, the group counted a total of 139 surveillance cameras. If these figures are correct, then the per-block density of cameras in Manchester is almost twice that in Manhattan. At 4 pm on Tuesday, 12 June 2001, the SCP returned to the Okasional Cafe and prepared to perform It's OK, Officer. Inspired by the SCP's presentation the previous evening, and by the fact that their squat is watched by two different surveillance cameras, several people -- including Stacy, Jay, Ruth, Norm and Alex -- took part in the peripatetic performance. Substantially enriched by the use of hats, umbrellas, masks and other props, the performance began as soon as the group exited the squat at 5 pm, and continued until 7:30 pm, when the troupe finally returned home. It seems that during the performance, the squat was visited by several people who looked exactly like police detectives. At 9 pm on Tuesday, 12 June 2001, the SCP gave a second presentation at the Okasional Cafe. In part because the group didn't want to repeat itself, and in part because relatively few people showed up, the SCP concentrated on showing videotapes and didn't say very much. Thanks to Adele, who converted the SCP's compilation tape from NTSC to PAL, the group was able to show tapes of several of its performances, and not just 1984. And yet, as far as the audience was concerned, the SCP still talked too much! Drunk punks ("pissheads") in the audience heckled and even interrupted the SCP's reading of the list of military entities that monitor its web site. "What's this got to do with me?" seemed to be their question. "I don't have a computer." The SCP tried to explain that ownership or even use of a computer wasn't the point, and that high-speed, Echelon-type military technology would soon be used in the surveillance cameras that monitor Manchester's streets. The point wasn't taken, and the heckling continued. Very displeased with the way things were turning out -- problems such as these had been occurring more and more frequently in recent days -- the organizers of the event decided to shut the doors early. The next day, they decided to close the squat for a few months and re-open it in the fall. On Wednesday, 13 June 2001, the SCP traveled from Manchester to London, where the group stayed for the remainder of its tour. At approximately 9 pm on Wednesday, the members of the SCP visited the studios of Ninja Tune Headquarters in Kennington and were guests on the "pirate TV show" hosted by DJ Coldcut (Matt and Mike). Long-time SCP admirer and local activist Bongo was also in attendance. With help from Bill's friend Jason, the SCP (Kimberly included) held up pieces of paper that bore upon them such familiar slogans as "We know you are watching," "Mind your own business" and "Who watches the watchers?" The group also performed God's Eyes Here on Earth and screened several of its videotapes. Though the SCP's appearance on the show was thrown together at the very last minute, it came off rather well, thanks to the creativity, resourcefulness and technical expertise of Matt and Mike. Between 10 am and noon on Thursday, 14 June 2001, the SCP (minus Kimberly) visited the studios of News of the World, a British satellite-based TV show that airs in China, Indonesia and Australia. Though Bill was the only member of the SCP scheduled to be interviewed, both Miranda and Susan came along. On the way to the TV studio, a group of construction workers saw the SCP (a group of people dressed all in black and carrying large placards) and in a marvelously amicable and respectful way inquired, "Wot are we protesting today?" (The answer was "Nothing, and everything.") Before the interview took place, the SCP got a chance to catch a glimpse of the footage that Roddy Mansfield shot in Bath: it looked quite good. The interview itself, however, was something of a disappointment. Though Bill was told he might have the opportunity to debate the merits of surveillance cameras with a British policeman, no debate took place. Instead, the interviewers posed a few questions to the two guests, who didn't get a chance to speak to each other directly on camera. Everyone in the SCP noticed that the questions posed to the policeman (a Superintendent Morris) were far more confrontational and difficult than the questions that were posed to Bill. Though the show will certainly be very favorable towards the SCP, the group would have liked a more level "playing field," especially since Morris was a decent, thoughtful man who was not unconditionally in favor of the use of surveillance cameras in public places. (For example, he noted that one could never be sure that the occurrence of fewer speeding violations could reasonably be attributed to the installation of surveillance cameras, and not something like the weather.) Over lunch on Thursday, 14 June 2001, the SCP (minus Kimberly) was interviewed by Megan, a reporter from a London-based magazine called YearZero. Between 6 pm and 8 pm on Friday, 15 June 2001, the SCP (Kimberly included) performed It's OK, Officer along London's Oxford Street, a posh street completely given over to the sale of commodities. This performance was photographed by both Megan and the police officers who monitor the feeds coming from "their" surveillance cameras. At precisely 7 pm, at the corner of Duke Street and Oxford Street, one of these cameras swiveled around, pointed directly at the performers, and followed them when they moved on. The same thing happened at precisely 7:13 pm, at the corner of Portman Street and Oxford Street. In part because the SCP didn't use costumes, which keep the mood light, and in part because there are many more surveillance cameras operating in public in London than in Manchester, the London performance of It's OK, Officer was far more serious than the one the SCP gave in Manchester on Tuesday, 12 June 2001. Without planning to do so, Bill, at the front of the line of walking performers, found himself concluding his part of the performance by giving each surveillance camera the group encountered a Nazi-style salute. Like the others in the line, he was strongly affected by the gesture. As for the passers-by who saw the performance, their reactions were generally very favorable. Between 1 pm and 4 pm on Saturday, 16 June 2001, the SCP (Kimberly included) participated in a rain-soaked but still very large rally and march in favor of the de-criminalization of possessing, growing and/or using marijuana. Along with tens of thousands of people, the SCP rallied in Kennington Park and then marched en masse to Brockwell Park in Brixton. At all times, a police helicopter hovered overhead, taking pictures. Holding aloft the two boards that make up We know you are watching: MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!, the SCP were a very big hit with both the other marchers and the police. At three different times and places -- 2:10 pm, at the corner of Atlantic Avenue and Dordell Street; 2:10 pm, at the corner of Brighton Terrrace and Atlantic Avenue, and 2:30 pm, at the corner of Windrush Square and Effra Road -- the SCP was rather obviously watched and videotaped by a surveillance camera. At noon on Sunday, 17 June 2001, the SCP (Kimberly included) and Jason performed God's Eyes Here on Earth in front of St. Paul's Cathedral in London. Like the one at the Abbey Church in Bath, this performance was a disappointment. Few people were on hand to see it, and those who were on hand were mostly tourists. Mark from Reclaim the Streets was on hand and took pictures. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Contact the Surveillance Camera Players By snail mail: SCP c/o NOT BORED! POB 1115, Stuyvesant Station, New York City 10009-9998 ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From beendrunk at bugjuise.net Mon Jun 25 14:28:34 2001 From: beendrunk at bugjuise.net (beendrunk at bugjuise.net) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:28:34 -0500 Subject: I WAS SICK OF BEING FAT!!!!!! Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 8515 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmotyka at lsil.com Mon Jun 25 16:41:23 2001 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (mmotyka at lsil.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:41:23 -0700 Subject: Earth to Dopey References: Message-ID: <3B37CC23.B7D5D591@lsil.com> I was right the first time around, you're off in the tall grass, can't see where you're headed and seriously mistaken. I'm not a .coN web page author. I am getting very.seriously.pissed though. You've run square into the libel laws. I think my father-in-law still has Fed LE contacts in the US. I'll find you. Louis Cypher wrote: > I know a lot of people who care if someone is illegally reading email. > Ahhh, that could very well be, but I'm not one of them and what someone else does to YOUR email is of absolutely zero interest to me. > Having done a web site you should know that. > Sorry, you definitely have the wrong ID, never did a web site, find it entirely uninteresting. > Why do your ventures go BUST, Coupon Cloud.com, > You're way off in the tall grass, sonny. > because you are a loser and a thief, all you do is run > your mouth, but I would assume it is to be expected, being a FAG, I would > imagine it comes quit naturally. Been to the recycle bin lately loser, and > remember, take a good look around, no one can hear you scream. > See ya......... > You're very quick to assume and accuse based on bad research. It's gonna cost yuz. First in Court... > ps. lose the 95 machine > Not my PC, besides, what does it matter which insecure OS runs Netscape? Are you an elite genius because you put Linux or BSD on a PC? Golly, I'll bet it's twice as secure as Windows. Wow! Maybe someday I can learn how to do that! From bear at sonic.net Mon Jun 25 18:11:40 2001 From: bear at sonic.net (Ray Dillinger) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: credit card sniffers found in field In-Reply-To: <3B37A0A2.BEF78B99@army-of-one.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, John Doe #N wrote: >http://www.msnbc.com/news/589575.asp ... > Visa International and other terminal > makers caution that use of the James > Bond-esque device is hardly > widespread. I can't imagine why not. It's not as though the hardware is difficult to fabricate or purchase, and driver source code is just all over the place for free. Here's a convenient package with all the electronic parts necessary, selling for under $80. http://www.register5.com/register5/magmin.html (You can probably find it cheaper, that's just the first place I looked) Add a microdrive and one of those PC-on-a-chip things with a 386 plus minimal hardware and a teeny linux distribution, like you can find at http://www.tiqit.com for under $1000, then download the appropriate driver from the reader manufacturer, compile it with gcc, and you're in business. It would take about two days to build this device, cost under $1500, and the driver is so dead-simple it's probably no effort at all to port, but allocate another day of work for that. After that it's just a matter of dumping the info to the hard drive and writing a script to phone home once in a while. Any geek with about $1500 to spend and a few days to put it together could build the equivalent device; don't marvel at the high-tech, 'cause card-reader drivers are publicly available, even simpler than a keyboard driver, and the hardware is prefab. The only remotely-interesting question is how and when did the perps get private access to the gimmicked card readers? Or were the card readers compromised before they were installed? If you've got an hour or so with a good scope, you can even save yourself the cost of the card reader and associated fab problems mounting it into the card reader machine; just tap the relevant wires from the card reader that is already installed in the device. However, this would require you to write your own driver and put some diodes on the lines so you don't interfere with the other system driving the mag readers, so it's technically harder. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 771 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hajji5 at juno.com Tue Jun 26 02:58:56 2001 From: hajji5 at juno.com (anis a hajji) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 02:58:56 -0700 Subject: iwanttobeamenbership Message-ID: <20010626.025859.-3854419.0.hajji5@juno.com> my name is foued iwant to be menbership and iwant to pay by monym order From George at Orwellian.Org Tue Jun 26 00:00:11 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 03:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pleading to Washington for broadband Message-ID: <200106260700.DAA07399@www4.aa.psiweb.com> Excerpt: # Likening the task to the 1960s effort to put a man on the moon, # John Chambers, chief executive of Cisco Systems Inc., is asking # that the federal government commit to making broadband connections # available to every home by 2010. ---- http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB993418457489449631.htm # # Tech Industry Seeks Its Salvation June 25, 2001 # In High-Speed Internet Connections # # By SCOTT THURM and GLENN R. SIMPSON # Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL # # High-tech executives think they've found a cure for the industry's # deepest slump in a decade: High-speed Internet access for # everyone. # # For years, telephone and cable-TV companies have been promising # to build high-speed "broadband" networks, which let consumers # and small businesses tap the Internet 20 or 30 times faster than # conventional phone lines, yet the rollout has been slow. There's # little agreement, even within the tech world, on the ground rules # for building such networks, which would cost tens of billions # of dollars. But suddenly the topic has rocketed to the top of # the technology industry's agenda in Washington, where # traditionally distant tech executives are asking for help. # # The chairmen of International Business Machines Corp., Intel # Corp., Motorola Inc. and others last week met with key lawmakers # and National Economic Council officials to support bills that # would provide tax credits for building high-speed networks in # rural areas and economically depressed inner cities. Other # executives propose broader tax breaks, comparing broadband # Internet links with the government-financed interstate highway # or rural electric systems. # # Likening the task to the 1960s effort to put a man on the moon, # John Chambers, chief executive of Cisco Systems Inc., is asking # that the federal government commit to making broadband connections # available to every home by 2010. A Cisco lobbyist calls the effort # "our No. 1 goal" (although a spokesman says Mr. Chambers doesn't # think the government would be the one to build the network). # # Some tech executives argue that extending broadband networks # would help revive the national economy, because tech spending # contributed such a large share of economic growth in recent years. # "The stimulation would go well beyond hardware and software # providers," says Phil Bond, Hewlett-Packard Co.'s top Washington # lobbyist. # # But some analysts are struck by the sudden change in an industry # that previously distanced itself from Washington. Technology # companies "are going to Washington looking for a bailout," says # Scott Cleland, chief executive of the Precursor Group, a # Washington-based independent research company. "That tells you # their situations are awfully bad because when times were good # they were telling the government to stay away." # # Monday, more than 40 tech executives are set to meet at H-P's # Palo Alto, Calif., headquarters to rally behind the broadband # effort and discuss possible policy initiatives. Other tech groups # have similar efforts under way. Last week's lobbying was # orchestrated by the Computer Systems Policy Project, which # represents big computer companies. "The administration is # listening carefully to all segments of industry and working with # lawmakers and regulators to assess policy alternatives to # accelerate broadband deployment," a White House spokesman says. # # The renewed push for broadband stems from widespread disappoi # ntment with the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which was supposed # to encourage competition, particularly for local phone service. # But many of the upstarts that challenged the Baby Bells couldn't # make profits and got hurt in the collapse of the high-tech bubble. # And companies that built data networks to carry an expected flood # of Internet traffic are starving for business. # # Tech executives fear that broadband deployment will slow even # further. A year ago, the pace was a secondary concern for big # tech companies. Then the dot-com bubble burst. Companies cut # their purchases of tech gear, and executives of tech companies # faced declining sales, losses and layoffs. Now, potential sales # resulting from a new wave of high-speed Internet connections # look like a port in a storm. # # When Mr. Chambers broached the subject before 50 executives at # a February meeting of TechNet, an industry lobbying group, 20 # hands shot up, according to a person who was in the room. TechNet # quickly assembled a "working group" on broadband policy, including # Mr. Chambers and executives from Intel, Microsoft Corp., 3Com # Corp. and ExciteAtHome Corp. Its recommendations are expected # in September. # # Executives hope ubiquitous high-speed links can ignite another # "virtuous cycle" of innovation and spending on tech gear, like # the one that accompanied the first phase of the Internet in the # late 1990s. Telecom-gear makers would sell equipment to build # the networks. PC- and chip-makers would sell consumers new # computers to keep up with faster connections. Software makers # and content creators would update programs. "We're convinced # now more than ever that broadband is crucial to our industry," # says Peter Pitsch, an attorney in Intel's Washington office. # # A unified tech industry could be influential in the national # debate. "I've always felt the computer folks would tip the balance # if they ever came into the thing in a serious way," says Jeffrey # Eisenach, president of the nonprofit Progress and Freedom # Foundation, a group backed by the Bell phone companies that is # sponsoring the meeting at H-P. # # But there's little agreement in the industry about how to get # the job done. The differences are apparent on the central # telecommunications question facing Congress this year: whether # to relax 1996 rules limiting the role of Bells in building and # operating data networks. Until recently, big tech companies were # reluctant to take sides because they had customers in rival camps. # Now, their reluctance may be fading. # # In a speech last week, Intel Chairman Andrew Grove endorsed # loosening some of the restrictions. That was a bit of a shift # for the chip giant, which had invested in several Baby Bell # challengers in the heady days after the 1996 law was passed. # # "If we want to see broadband, we have to follow the money, as # cruel and unfair as it sounds," said Mr. Grove, who lunched with # Ivan Seidenberg, chief executive of Baby Bell Verizon # Communications Inc., the following day. Mr. Grove called for # "a new approach" in which the Bells "should be allowed to invest # with the fair expectation of making a lot of money." # # Others blame the Bells for stifling competition, then dragging # their feet. "I'm afraid if we leave it to existing incumbents, # the speed at which broadband will progress would not be # satisfactory," says 3Com Chairman Eric Benhamou. He suggests # government-subsidized loans, or tax rebates for signing up # broadband customers. Most tech lobbyists, though, consider it # politically toxic to mention those ideas. From George at Orwellian.Org Tue Jun 26 00:00:35 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 03:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Pleading to Washington for broadband Message-ID: <200106260700.DAA20365@www6.aa.psiweb.com> Excerpt: # Likening the task to the 1960s effort to put a man on the moon, # John Chambers, chief executive of Cisco Systems Inc., is asking # that the federal government commit to making broadband connections # available to every home by 2010. ---- http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB993418457489449631.htm # # Tech Industry Seeks Its Salvation June 25, 2001 # In High-Speed Internet Connections # # By SCOTT THURM and GLENN R. SIMPSON # Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL # # High-tech executives think they've found a cure for the industry's # deepest slump in a decade: High-speed Internet access for # everyone. # # For years, telephone and cable-TV companies have been promising # to build high-speed "broadband" networks, which let consumers # and small businesses tap the Internet 20 or 30 times faster than # conventional phone lines, yet the rollout has been slow. There's # little agreement, even within the tech world, on the ground rules # for building such networks, which would cost tens of billions # of dollars. But suddenly the topic has rocketed to the top of # the technology industry's agenda in Washington, where # traditionally distant tech executives are asking for help. # # The chairmen of International Business Machines Corp., Intel # Corp., Motorola Inc. and others last week met with key lawmakers # and National Economic Council officials to support bills that # would provide tax credits for building high-speed networks in # rural areas and economically depressed inner cities. Other # executives propose broader tax breaks, comparing broadband # Internet links with the government-financed interstate highway # or rural electric systems. # # Likening the task to the 1960s effort to put a man on the moon, # John Chambers, chief executive of Cisco Systems Inc., is asking # that the federal government commit to making broadband connections # available to every home by 2010. A Cisco lobbyist calls the effort # "our No. 1 goal" (although a spokesman says Mr. Chambers doesn't # think the government would be the one to build the network). # # Some tech executives argue that extending broadband networks # would help revive the national economy, because tech spending # contributed such a large share of economic growth in recent years. # "The stimulation would go well beyond hardware and software # providers," says Phil Bond, Hewlett-Packard Co.'s top Washington # lobbyist. # # But some analysts are struck by the sudden change in an industry # that previously distanced itself from Washington. Technology # companies "are going to Washington looking for a bailout," says # Scott Cleland, chief executive of the Precursor Group, a # Washington-based independent research company. "That tells you # their situations are awfully bad because when times were good # they were telling the government to stay away." # # Monday, more than 40 tech executives are set to meet at H-P's # Palo Alto, Calif., headquarters to rally behind the broadband # effort and discuss possible policy initiatives. Other tech groups # have similar efforts under way. Last week's lobbying was # orchestrated by the Computer Systems Policy Project, which # represents big computer companies. "The administration is # listening carefully to all segments of industry and working with # lawmakers and regulators to assess policy alternatives to # accelerate broadband deployment," a White House spokesman says. # # The renewed push for broadband stems from widespread disappoi # ntment with the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which was supposed # to encourage competition, particularly for local phone service. # But many of the upstarts that challenged the Baby Bells couldn't # make profits and got hurt in the collapse of the high-tech bubble. # And companies that built data networks to carry an expected flood # of Internet traffic are starving for business. # # Tech executives fear that broadband deployment will slow even # further. A year ago, the pace was a secondary concern for big # tech companies. Then the dot-com bubble burst. Companies cut # their purchases of tech gear, and executives of tech companies # faced declining sales, losses and layoffs. Now, potential sales # resulting from a new wave of high-speed Internet connections # look like a port in a storm. # # When Mr. Chambers broached the subject before 50 executives at # a February meeting of TechNet, an industry lobbying group, 20 # hands shot up, according to a person who was in the room. TechNet # quickly assembled a "working group" on broadband policy, including # Mr. Chambers and executives from Intel, Microsoft Corp., 3Com # Corp. and ExciteAtHome Corp. Its recommendations are expected # in September. # # Executives hope ubiquitous high-speed links can ignite another # "virtuous cycle" of innovation and spending on tech gear, like # the one that accompanied the first phase of the Internet in the # late 1990s. Telecom-gear makers would sell equipment to build # the networks. PC- and chip-makers would sell consumers new # computers to keep up with faster connections. Software makers # and content creators would update programs. "We're convinced # now more than ever that broadband is crucial to our industry," # says Peter Pitsch, an attorney in Intel's Washington office. # # A unified tech industry could be influential in the national # debate. "I've always felt the computer folks would tip the balance # if they ever came into the thing in a serious way," says Jeffrey # Eisenach, president of the nonprofit Progress and Freedom # Foundation, a group backed by the Bell phone companies that is # sponsoring the meeting at H-P. # # But there's little agreement in the industry about how to get # the job done. The differences are apparent on the central # telecommunications question facing Congress this year: whether # to relax 1996 rules limiting the role of Bells in building and # operating data networks. Until recently, big tech companies were # reluctant to take sides because they had customers in rival camps. # Now, their reluctance may be fading. # # In a speech last week, Intel Chairman Andrew Grove endorsed # loosening some of the restrictions. That was a bit of a shift # for the chip giant, which had invested in several Baby Bell # challengers in the heady days after the 1996 law was passed. # # "If we want to see broadband, we have to follow the money, as # cruel and unfair as it sounds," said Mr. Grove, who lunched with # Ivan Seidenberg, chief executive of Baby Bell Verizon # Communications Inc., the following day. Mr. Grove called for # "a new approach" in which the Bells "should be allowed to invest # with the fair expectation of making a lot of money." # # Others blame the Bells for stifling competition, then dragging # their feet. "I'm afraid if we leave it to existing incumbents, # the speed at which broadband will progress would not be # satisfactory," says 3Com Chairman Eric Benhamou. He suggests # government-subsidized loans, or tax rebates for signing up # broadband customers. Most tech lobbyists, though, consider it # politically toxic to mention those ideas. From offer at findmybusienss.com Tue Jun 26 03:27:31 2001 From: offer at findmybusienss.com (offer at findmybusienss.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 03:27:31 Subject: Sell Your Business? Place your ads... Free Offer Message-ID: <200106260713.f5Q7Dpv05023@rigel.cyberpass.net> Save your money & time!! Place your LISTINGS or AD for FREE and Find your buyers.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Businesses for sale, Investment Properties, Franchises, Homebased businesses, Distributors, Wholesales, M&A, Other Special Businesses... 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From honig at sprynet.com Tue Jun 26 06:46:57 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 06:46:57 -0700 Subject: Pleading to Washington for broadband In-Reply-To: <200106260700.DAA07399@www4.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010626064657.0094dac0@pop.sprynet.com> At 03:00 AM 6/26/01 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: >Excerpt: > ># Likening the task to the 1960s effort to put a man on the moon, ># John Chambers, chief executive of Cisco Systems Inc., is asking ># that the federal government commit to making broadband connections ># available to every home by 2010. > And in related news, Janet Panopticon, CEO of a webcam manufacturer, suggested that the federal government commit to providing free internet enabled digital cameras sufficient for each room of a residence... From roy at scytale.com Tue Jun 26 05:03:09 2001 From: roy at scytale.com (Roy M. Silvernail) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:03:09 -0500 Subject: credit card sniffers found in field In-Reply-To: References: <3B37A0A2.BEF78B99@army-of-one.org> Message-ID: <3B3833AD.2482.8188041@localhost> On 25 Jun 2001, at 18:11, Ray Dillinger wrote: > Add a microdrive and one of those PC-on-a-chip things with a > 386 plus minimal hardware and a teeny linux distribution, like > you can find at http://www.tiqit.com for under $1000, then > download the appropriate driver from the reader manufacturer, > compile it with gcc, and you're in business. Too expensive. Just wire the card reader into the serial port of your handy Palm (III|V|VII) and collect away. I saw several articles (sorry, no links) last year about skimming, and at least three of them had accompanying pictures of a Palm-based skimmer unit with attached card reader. Fact is, I have a card reader unit that I bought a couple of years ago. I've been "about to get around to doing" a reader app on my Rabbit development board, but now that I have a CerfCube, I'll probably do it on that. A Tiqit is $995, but a CerfCube is only $495 (or maybe $299, if they repeat the sale) and will also take a Microdrive. -- Roy M. Silvernail [ ] roy at scytale.com DNRC Minister Plenipotentiary of All Things Confusing, Software Division PGP Key 0x1AF39331 : 71D5 2EA2 4C27 D569 D96B BD40 D926 C05E Key available from pubkey at scytale.com I charge to process unsolicited commercial email From tmcv at prison.net Tue Jun 26 07:04:42 2001 From: tmcv at prison.net (tmcv at prison.net) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:04:42 -0700 Subject: Circumstances Raising Suspicion Concerning Smart Cards Message-ID: <3B38967A.3E539C06@fbi.gov> Circumstances Raising Suspicion Concerning Smart Cards Same as credit cards Numerous cards (different names or same issuing vendor) Signs of tampering (cards can be found in the presence of computer or other electronic devices) Questions to Ask When Encountering Smart Cards Who is card issued to (the valid cardholder)? Who issued the card? What are the uses of the cards? Why does the person have numerous cards? Can this computer or device alter the card? http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/index.htm?electronic_evidence.htm From jd at army-of-one.org Tue Jun 26 08:44:12 2001 From: jd at army-of-one.org (John Doe #N) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:44:12 -0700 Subject: 1st amendment vs. mandatory youth-indoctrination centers Message-ID: <3B38ADCC.8236488A@army-of-one.org> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010626/od/tshirt_dc_1.html Tuesday June 26 9:18 AM ET Teen Sues Over Banned 'Redneck' Shirt NEWARK (Reuters) - Tom Sypniewski thought his ``redneck'' t-shirt was funny, but school officials deemed it offensive, ordered him to remove it and are now being sued for allegedly violating his free speech rights. Sypniewski, 19, wore the shirt, which listed comic Jeff Foxworthy's ``Top 10 Reasons You Might Be A Redneck Sports Fan,'' to Warren Hills Regional High School on March 22 and was told to remove it. He refused and was suspended for three days, losing an appeal to the Board of Education in April. District school officials in Washington, a small town in rural western New Jersey, said in a press release the shirt ''portrayed a message of racial stereotyping'' and violated the dress code. It said the shirt could have inflamed students, given the school's two-year history of racial tensions. Sypniewski, who recently graduated, denied he is a racist or that the shirt carried a racist message. ``I wore it because it's funny,'' Sypniewski told a news conference outside U.S. District Court in Newark on Monday. ``To me a redneck is a hunter, a fisherman, an outdoorsman. I consider myself a redneck and I'm absolutely not a racist. What hurts me is the board accused me of trying to spread a racist message with the shirt. I think they owe me an apology.'' From jd at army-of-one.org Tue Jun 26 08:48:29 2001 From: jd at army-of-one.org (John Doe #N) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:48:29 -0700 Subject: at least she's not violating photogs' copyright... Message-ID: <3B38AECD.169A8D1B@army-of-one.org> We'd pay good money for Agent Gordon in shiny red underwear... Tuesday June 26 5:28 AM ET Beau Blushing As Scorned Girl Vents Fury on Net LONDON (Reuters) - A British woman has published photographs of her boyfriend wearing skimpy panties and a bra on the Internet to avenge his cheating ways. The 22-year-old, who identified herself only as ``The Pimptress,'' said boyfriend ``Tom'' had asked her never to show the snaps of him in various poses wearing her shiny red underwear. ``Guess he shouldn't have cheated with my best m8,'' she wrote, using for the word ``mate'' the abbreviated text message language popular for communicating by mobile phone. The picture gallery of 20 snaps includes shots of ``Tom'' trying to squeeze on a pair of girl's cowboy boots and putting on makeup. By early Tuesday the Web site, www.uboot.com/u/pimptress, had received nearly 6,500 hits, or visits by Internet readers. After it was featured in the best-selling daily tabloid The Sun, that number was rising fast. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010626/wr/britain_scorned_dc_1.html From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Tue Jun 26 08:58:05 2001 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Journalist Arresting for Criticizing Cops Message-ID: In today's news of the truly odd. ----- KEY WEST, Fla. (AP) -- A newspaper editor and publisher was arrested for publishing an article alleging a cover-up in an internal police investigation he had filed an official complaint about, police records show. Dennis Cooper, 66, editor of the weekly Key West The Newspaper, was arrested Friday and released two hours later on his own recognizance. The affidavit for his arrest cites a Florida statute that makes it a misdemeanor for anyone involved in an internal police investigation to disclose information before it has been entered into public record. Cooper has alleged a police lieutenant lied in court about a 1996 stop of a bicyclist, and that the Key West Police Department covered it up. He filed a complaint last month with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement accusing an internal affairs investigator of falsifying information about his review of the incident. [...] --- http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0112/SEC533.HTM&Title=->2000->Ch0112->Section%20533 >(4) Any person who is a participant in an internal investigation, >including the complainant, the subject of the investigation, the >investigator conducting the investigation, and any witnesses in the >investigation, who willfully discloses any information obtained pursuant >to the agency's investigation, including, but not limited to, the identity >of the officer under investigation, the nature of the questions asked, >information revealed, or documents furnished in connection with a >confidential internal investigation of an agency, before such complaint, >document, action, or proceeding becomes a public record as provided in >this section commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as >provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. However, this subsection does not >limit a law enforcement or correctional officer's ability to gain access >to information under paragraph (2)(a). Additionally, a sheriff, police >chief, or other head of a law enforcement agency, or his or her designee, >is not precluded by this section from acknowledging the existence of a >complaint and the fact that an investigation is underway. http://legal.firn.edu/justice/01law.PDF >Unauthorized disclosure penalties: Section 112.533(4), F.S., makes it a >first degree misdemeanor for any person who is a participant in an >internal investigation to willfully disclose any information obtained >pursuant to the agency's investigation before such information becomes a >public record. However, the subsection "does not limit a law enforcement >or correctional officer's ability to gain access to information under >paragraph (2)(a)."92 From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Tue Jun 26 08:58:05 2001 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Journalist Arresting for Criticizing Cops Message-ID: <200106261558.f5QFw5V32655@artifact.psychedelic.net> In today's news of the truly odd. ----- KEY WEST, Fla. (AP) -- A newspaper editor and publisher was arrested for publishing an article alleging a cover-up in an internal police investigation he had filed an official complaint about, police records show. Dennis Cooper, 66, editor of the weekly Key West The Newspaper, was arrested Friday and released two hours later on his own recognizance. The affidavit for his arrest cites a Florida statute that makes it a misdemeanor for anyone involved in an internal police investigation to disclose information before it has been entered into public record. Cooper has alleged a police lieutenant lied in court about a 1996 stop of a bicyclist, and that the Key West Police Department covered it up. He filed a complaint last month with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement accusing an internal affairs investigator of falsifying information about his review of the incident. After receiving the complaint, the department asked Key West police to begin an investigation. Cooper had published articles accusing the investigator of wrongdoing before filing the complaint. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. 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Cooper has alleged a police lieutenant lied in court about a 1996 stop of a bicyclist, and that the Key West Police Department covered it up. He filed a complaint last month with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement accusing an internal affairs investigator of falsifying information about his review of the incident. [...]" From rob10 at snoopymail.com Tue Jun 26 09:13:40 2001 From: rob10 at snoopymail.com (rob10 at snoopymail.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:13:40 Subject: toner Message-ID: <318.625519.296366@snoopymail.com> PLEASE FORWARD TO THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR PURCHASING YOUR LASER PRINTER SUPPLIES **** VORTEX SUPPLIES **** LASER PRINTER TONER CARTRIDGES, COPIER AND FAX CARTRIDGES SAVE UP TO 30% FROM RETAIL ORDER BY PHONE:1-888-288-9043 ORDER BY FAX: 1-888-977-1577 CUSTOMER SERVICE: 1-888-248-2015 E-MAIL REMOVAL LINE: 1-888-248-4930 UNIVERSITY AND/OR SCHOOL PURCHASE ORDERS WELCOME. (NO CREDIT APPROVAL REQUIRED) ALL OTHER PURCHASE ORDER REQUESTS REQUIRE CREDIT APPROVAL. 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In-Reply-To: <3B387CBD.3000906@trustix.com>; from larsg@trustix.com on Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 02:14:53PM +0200 References: <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620193059.A3621@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010621075338.00845930@pop.sprynet.com> <20010623144622.B29601@cluebot.com> <3B387CBD.3000906@trustix.com> Message-ID: <20010626093727.A23686@cluebot.com> Right, it's not certain. But this is a semantically null statement: Unless you have a mole in the court, that could be said about any case. It's true that the appeals court asked some questions that were widely interpreted as being favorable in a followup document, but their actual questions askd during oral arguments were very much pro-MPAA. It's true that they could be playing devil's advocate, but the queries seemed to be genuine conviction, not intellectual gamesmanship. -Declan On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 02:14:53PM +0200, Lars Gaarden wrote: > Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 07:53:38AM -0700, David Honig wrote: > > > >>At 07:30 PM 6/20/01 -0400, Riad S. Wahby wrote: > >> > >>>The DMCA, according to the court, clearly prevents the use of DeCSS > >>>and css-auth, even in the case that it has a legitimate use, because > >>>it circumvents the access control measures built into the DVD > >>>standard. > >>> > >>We both know that's an incorrect ruling that will be reversed. > > > > I covered the trial and the appeal, and I would not make such a strong > > claim. > > Seems like the appeals court is somewhat clued, as they asked more or > less the correct questions. But as you say, it is nowhere near certain > that the court will rule our way. > > -- > LarsG From schear at lvcm.com Tue Jun 26 09:38:27 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:38:27 -0700 Subject: Pleading to Washington for broadband In-Reply-To: <200106260700.DAA07399@www4.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010626092335.034a03e8@pop3.lvcm.com> At 03:00 AM 6/26/2001 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: >Excerpt: > ># Likening the task to the 1960s effort to put a man on the moon, ># John Chambers, chief executive of Cisco Systems Inc., is asking ># that the federal government commit to making broadband connections ># available to every home by 2010. > >---- > >http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB993418457489449631.htm ># ># Tech Industry Seeks Its Salvation June 25, 2001 ># In High-Speed Internet Connections ># ># By SCOTT THURM and GLENN R. SIMPSON ># Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ># ># High-tech executives think they've found a cure for the industry's ># deepest slump in a decade: High-speed Internet access for ># everyone. What's needed are high-altitude communication platforms powered, from the ground, by users in exchange for bandwidth. Since the 2.4Ghz band was originally intended for non-communication purposes (that's why its called ISM - Industrial Scientific Medical) why can't (within OSHA limits) small, inexpensive, ground stations be built (physically similar to those used for the DishNetwork) which both help power the plane and offer a communication link? Beam spread due to the small antennas might be combatted by controlling each antenna's phasing to create "virtual" antennas, like the new SETI project envisions, for efficient energy delivery. steve From htmlun at thestockadvisor.com Tue Jun 26 06:43:33 2001 From: htmlun at thestockadvisor.com (UNICO) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:43:33 -0400 Subject: Company Update - UICO Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 5927 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jd at army-of-one.org Tue Jun 26 10:18:37 2001 From: jd at army-of-one.org (John Doe #N) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:18:37 -0700 Subject: codes of the hispanic unlicensed pharmaceutical distributors Message-ID: <3B38C3ED.1495E4D0@army-of-one.org> Simple codes were used during the operations of the business - for example, many words were made up almoset like a Spanish version of Pig-Latin - "Coban" meant Banco, or bank, "Tebille" meant "Billette" or cash, "Tabogo" was Bogota... also some words were simple substitutions: if someone was "sick", that meant they had been spotted by the police, various numbers needed to be multiplied by several thousand to arrive at the real amounts, depending heavily on context. "Five pesos" was generally five hundred dollars, while "One Peso" was generally a million. Some more peculiar shorthand was "Rock and roll" (in English) for car, if they had a "Colibri", that was a tail, and handcuffs were referred to as "engagement rings" in a few cases. Another code was used between the drug lords in Columbia and Caliche to talk about phone numbers - the word "CONTEMPLAR" was used to correlate the first letter of a name with a number, e.g. "Tomas, Carlos, Olivier" would be "T,O,C" or 420. On top of this, each worker had a code number to identify himself when beeping Caliche or each other to have them call back. There were a few other beeper codes, like "51", meaning "A Successful round" or transfer of cash or drugs, while "911" meant an urgent message. http://www.echonyc.com/~jhhl/caliche.html From info at giganetstore.com Tue Jun 26 02:20:36 2001 From: info at giganetstore.com (info at giganetstore.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:20:36 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Nestas_F=E9rias...?= Message-ID: <00a713620091a61WWWSHOPENS@wwwshopens.giganetstore.com> Nestas Férias .... ..não se esqueça de levar consigo alguns dos produtos que seleccionámos especialmente para si. 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I wonder how many people are sick and tired of your smart ass postings... Stop or I'll call the feds..what makes you think they are not already involved...you pussy...oh that's right...you rather smoke a dick. Time is closing in. Its pretty obvious on what you do day and night. Once again come out of the basement and see the light, your one forum where you don't have to speak to people face to face and can talk all the trash you want.... See ya soon loser....... >From: mmotyka at lsil.com >To: Louis Cypher , cypherpunks at cyberpass.net >Subject: Earth to Dopey >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:41:23 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [147.145.40.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD01160A0033400431E2939128168CC10; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:36:42 -0700 >Received: from mhbs.lsil.com (mhbs [147.145.31.100])by mail2.lsil.com >(8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20370for ; Mon, 25 >Jun 2001 16:36:41 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from plcalpop.lsil.com by mhbs.lsil.com; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 >16:35:38 -0700 >Received: from lsil.com by plcalpop (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)id QAA26379; Mon, 25 >Jun 2001 16:05:41 -0700 >From mmotyka at lsil.com Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:37:01 -0700 >Message-Id: <3B37CC23.B7D5D591 at lsil.com> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >References: > >I was right the first time around, you're off in the tall grass, can't >see where you're headed and seriously mistaken. I'm not a .coN web page >author. I am getting very.seriously.pissed though. You've run square >into the libel laws. I think my father-in-law still has Fed LE contacts >in the US. I'll find you. > >Louis Cypher wrote: > > I know a lot of people who care if someone is illegally reading email. > > >Ahhh, that could very well be, but I'm not one of them and what someone >else does to YOUR email is of absolutely zero interest to me. > > > Having done a web site you should know that. > > >Sorry, you definitely have the wrong ID, never did a web site, find it >entirely uninteresting. > > > Why do your ventures go BUST, Coupon Cloud.com, > > >You're way off in the tall grass, sonny. > > > because you are a loser and a thief, all you do is run > > your mouth, but I would assume it is to be expected, being a FAG, I >would > > imagine it comes quit naturally. Been to the recycle bin lately loser, >and > > remember, take a good look around, no one can hear you scream. > > See ya......... > > >You're very quick to assume and accuse based on bad research. It's gonna >cost yuz. First in Court... > > > ps. lose the 95 machine > > >Not my PC, besides, what does it matter which insecure OS runs Netscape? >Are you an elite genius because you put Linux or BSD on a PC? Golly, >I'll bet it's twice as secure as Windows. Wow! Maybe someday I can learn >how to do that! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From lobara at nab.org Tue Jun 26 08:06:02 2001 From: lobara at nab.org (lobara at nab.org) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Executive Technical Briefing from NAB Message-ID: <2860225.3190773@nikonet.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 4220 bytes Desc: not available URL: From swi_trainee1 at bhartitelesoft.com Mon Jun 25 22:42:38 2001 From: swi_trainee1 at bhartitelesoft.com (swi_trainee1) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:12:38 +0530 Subject: pwl crack Message-ID: <000a01c0fe02$d0b22760$520410ac@bhartitelesoft.com> sir i would be very grateful if you could send me the win 9x pwl cracker thanking you swi_trainee1 at bhartitelesoft.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 567 bytes Desc: not available URL: From illzshakur at emailisfun.com Tue Jun 26 09:51:59 2001 From: illzshakur at emailisfun.com (illzshakur at emailisfun.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:51:59 -0500 Subject: Ultimate Internet Casino!!! Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 771 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmotyka at lsil.com Tue Jun 26 12:38:08 2001 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (mmotyka at lsil.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:38:08 -0700 Subject: Pleading to Washington for broadband Message-ID: <3B38E4A0.83CB1602@lsil.com> Fat old hogs moseyin' up to the trough : a bid for more corporate welfare. Tax credits! Let them pay their own way by selling goods and services. Internet connectivity is not a necessity, it is a luxury and as such should be financed the old-fashioned way. Woops! scratch that! The old-fashioned way is raising taxes or deficit spending! However good it may sound to get the country wired and give the economy a boost this seems like a bad way to do it. Want a tax break - do it across the board. Mike From jd at army-of-one.org Tue Jun 26 13:46:10 2001 From: jd at army-of-one.org (John Doe #N) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:46:10 -0700 Subject: RTFM: Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants Message-ID: <3B38F492.9731456F@army-of-one.org> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/terrmanual1.shtml Here are two excerpts from a 180-page how-to manual that investigators believe has been used by followers of Saudi terrorist Osama bin Laden. The document, "Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants," was seized last year at the Manchester, England home of a bin Laden disciple. Federal prosecutors in New York recently introduced the 18-chapter manual, written in Arabic, at the trial of four men accused of involvement in the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania (an English translation was also placed in evidence). The terrorism manual offers jihad members detailed pointers on everything from forged documents to kidnapping techniques. TSG may soon post the whole incredible document, but until then, you'll have to get by with these bizarre and scary pieces--all of Chapter 16 (assassinations) and part of Chapter 17 ("Interrogation and Investigation"): Pages 1-8: On death and dying. Pages 9-14: Beat it. From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Tue Jun 26 10:53:15 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:53:15 -0400 Subject: Turing honored with statue. Message-ID: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=79714 Conqueror of enigma code finally honoured By Paul Francis 23 June 2001 Alan Turing, the national hero who broke the Nazi's enigma code and is credited with turning the tide of the World War Two, is to be honoured with a life-size statue. The bronze monument, which will be unveiled today, comes almost 50 years after the brilliant scientist was driven to suicide by persecution over his homosexuality. Five years after its inception, the 20,000 pound sterling sculpture of Turing sitting on a bench holding an apple will be displayed Manchester's Sackville Park in the city centre. The mathematical genius became a national hero after his involvement in World War Two, he also helped invent the inaugural computer, at Manchester University, but was persecuted and prosecuted for his homosexuality. He committed suicide in 1954 by eating a poisoned apple. Many believe Turing has never been recognised properly for his outstanding contribution to science. But Glyn Hughes, the statue's creator, is confident that Turing has finally earned his rightful place in the history books. Hughes, from Adlington near Chorley, said: " It's stunningly realistic. I'm sure it will go a dirty black over time, but it looks wonderful today." --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Tue Jun 26 10:53:15 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:53:15 -0400 Subject: Turing honored with statue. Message-ID: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=79714 Conqueror of enigma code finally honoured By Paul Francis 23 June 2001 Alan Turing, the national hero who broke the Nazi's enigma code and is credited with turning the tide of the World War Two, is to be honoured with a life-size statue. The bronze monument, which will be unveiled today, comes almost 50 years after the brilliant scientist was driven to suicide by persecution over his homosexuality. Five years after its inception, the 20,000 pound sterling sculpture of Turing sitting on a bench holding an apple will be displayed Manchester's Sackville Park in the city centre. The mathematical genius became a national hero after his involvement in World War Two, he also helped invent the inaugural computer, at Manchester University, but was persecuted and prosecuted for his homosexuality. He committed suicide in 1954 by eating a poisoned apple. Many believe Turing has never been recognised properly for his outstanding contribution to science. But Glyn Hughes, the statue's creator, is confident that Turing has finally earned his rightful place in the history books. Hughes, from Adlington near Chorley, said: " It's stunningly realistic. I'm sure it will go a dirty black over time, but it looks wonderful today." From larsg at trustix.com Tue Jun 26 05:14:53 2001 From: larsg at trustix.com (Lars Gaarden) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:14:53 +0200 Subject: eBay: Burn DVD movies onto CD? References: <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <200106160737.DAA09826@www8.aa.psiweb.com> <3.0.6.32.20010620092202.00841a70@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620150239.C1065@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010620151625.00844d10@pop.sprynet.com> <20010620193059.A3621@positron.mit.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010621075338.00845930@pop.sprynet.com> <20010623144622.B29601@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <3B387CBD.3000906@trustix.com> Declan McCullagh wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 07:53:38AM -0700, David Honig wrote: > >>At 07:30 PM 6/20/01 -0400, Riad S. Wahby wrote: >> >>>The DMCA, according to the court, clearly prevents the use of DeCSS >>>and css-auth, even in the case that it has a legitimate use, because >>>it circumvents the access control measures built into the DVD >>>standard. >>> >>We both know that's an incorrect ruling that will be reversed. > > I covered the trial and the appeal, and I would not make such a strong > claim. 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Thank you. ----Director, Fountain of Joy (Non-religious Organisation) From mournian at acusd.edu Tue Jun 26 22:23:13 2001 From: mournian at acusd.edu (Anthony Mournian) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:23:13 -0700 Subject: FC: Police arrest newspaper editor for criticizing Florida cops References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010626214305.024b95a0@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <3B396DC0.A5B94409@acusd.edu> Dear Mayor of Key West, and dear Chief of Police of Key West, I'm not a journalist, just an ordinary, run of the mill US Citizen, and I am wondering what the cowboys are doing in Florida! I am amazed, but ill impressed at the actions reported by on-line journalist Declan McCullagh . Your town lies 90 miles north of a Communist dictatorship, but it would seem to have been swept south by ill winds of fear and paranoia. If there is a RIGHT which Americans take seriously, hold near, and very dear, it is the First Amendment right of Freedom of the Press. For Shame, Key West, for actions as brutish as Tienaman Square! Your arrest of Dennis Cooper reflects either fear of exposure of worse wrongs than Cooper has reported, or a total lack of understanding or respect for the US Constitution. In light of the recent election results coming out of Florida, I suspect it is a combination of the two. Anthony Mournian San Diego, California "Police in Key West, Florida have arrested a newspaper editor for printing an article that criticized an internal police investigation, according to an Associated Press report. This brutish action by police and prosecutors should be widely denounced. As of this afternoon, the Key West newspaper's site at kwest.com was still up (I read what appears to be one of the articles in question at http://kwest.net/~kwtn/local_news/01-06-15-KWTN-FDLE_Investigating_Police_Internal_Scandal.html). But while the server is still alive -- it responds to ping requests -- connections to port 80 are now refused. Unfortunately, the article is no longer in my cache. It looks like the editor, Dennis Cooper, is being prosecuted for allegedly violating a state law. Under Florida law, it's a crime to disclose information about a police investigation -- even if you're the person who had filed a complaint alleging police wrongdoing, as Cooper seems to have done. You can find contact information for Key West officials here: http://www.keywestcity.com/directory.html http://www.keywestcity.com/depts/police/policetelephone.html I've copied the mayor, the chief of police, and other officials. If they would care to reply, I would be happy to extend them the usual courtesy of distributing their response unedited. If anyone puts up a mirror site with the article, please let me know. And I urge you to write to the city officials copied above. (BTW I have verified that the below article did run on the AP wire.) -Declan --- From declan at well.com Tue Jun 26 19:32:56 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:32:56 -0400 Subject: Police arrest newspaper editor for criticizing Florida cops Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010626214305.024b95a0@mail.well.com> Police in Key West, Flordia have arrested a newspaper editor for printing an article that criticized an internal police investigation, according to an Associated Press report. This brutish action by police and prosecutors should be widely denounced. As of this afternoon, the Key West newspaper's site at kwest.com was still up (I read what appears to be one of the articles in question at http://kwest.net/~kwtn/local_news/01-06-15-KWTN-FDLE_Investigating_Police_Internal_Scandal.html). But while the server is still alive -- it responds to ping requests -- connections to port 80 are now refused. Unfortunately, the article is no longer in my cache. It looks like the editor, Dennis Cooper, is being prosecuted for allegedly violating a state law. Under Florida law, it's a crime to disclose information about a police investigation -- even if you're the person who had filed a complaint alleging police wrongdoing, as Cooper seems to have done. You can find contact information for Key West officials here: http://www.keywestcity.com/directory.html http://www.keywestcity.com/depts/police/policetelephone.html I've copied the mayor, the chief of police, and other officials. If they would care to reply, I would be happy to extend them the usual courtesy of distributing their response unedited. If anyone puts up a mirror site with the article, please let me know. And I urge you to write to the city officials copied above. (BTW I have verified that the below article did run on the AP wire.) -Declan --- From jya at pipeline.com Tue Jun 26 22:57:49 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:57:49 -0700 Subject: Police arrest newspaper editor for criticizing Florida cops In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010626214305.024b95a0@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <200106270258.WAA32608@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Declan, We will publish the informative articles on our site cryptome.org when they arrive. John Young Cryptome.org From hseaver at ameritech.net Tue Jun 26 21:00:27 2001 From: hseaver at ameritech.net (Harmon Seaver) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:00:27 -0500 Subject: Police arrest newspaper editor for criticizing Florida cops References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010626214305.024b95a0@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <3B395A57.EF70FC0E@ameritech.net> Gee, maybe should start a site for Key West like http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org/ -- the Oshkosh Sux site. Might do their tourist industry a lot of good. 8-) Declan McCullagh wrote: > Police in Key West, Flordia have arrested a newspaper editor for printing > an article that criticized an internal police investigation, according to > an Associated Press report. This brutish action by police and prosecutors > should be widely denounced. > > As of this afternoon, the Key West newspaper's site at kwest.com was still > up (I read what appears to be one of the articles in question at > http://kwest.net/~kwtn/local_news/01-06-15-KWTN-FDLE_Investigating_Police_Internal_Scandal.html). > But while the server is still alive -- it responds to ping requests -- > connections to port 80 are now refused. Unfortunately, the article is no > longer in my cache. > > It looks like the editor, Dennis Cooper, is being prosecuted for allegedly > violating a state law. Under Florida law, it's a crime to disclose > information about a police investigation -- even if you're the person who > had filed a complaint alleging police wrongdoing, as Cooper seems to have done. > > You can find contact information for Key West officials here: > http://www.keywestcity.com/directory.html > http://www.keywestcity.com/depts/police/policetelephone.html > > I've copied the mayor, the chief of police, and other officials. If they > would care to reply, I would be happy to extend them the usual courtesy of > distributing their response unedited. > > If anyone puts up a mirror site with the article, please let me know. And I > urge you to write to the city officials copied above. (BTW I have verified > that the below article did run on the AP wire.) > > -Declan > > --- > > From: Eric Cordian > Subject: Journalist Arresting for Criticizing Cops > To: cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:58:05 -0700 (PDT) > > In today's news of the truly odd. > > ----- > > KEY WEST, Fla. (AP) -- A newspaper editor and publisher was arrested for > publishing an article alleging a cover-up in an internal police > investigation he had filed an official complaint about, police records > show. > > Dennis Cooper, 66, editor of the weekly Key West The Newspaper, was > arrested Friday and released two hours later on his own recognizance. > > The affidavit for his arrest cites a Florida statute that makes it a > misdemeanor for anyone involved in an internal police investigation to > disclose information before it has been entered into public record. > > Cooper has alleged a police lieutenant lied in court about a 1996 stop of > a bicyclist, and that the Key West Police Department covered it up. > > He filed a complaint last month with the Florida Department of Law > Enforcement accusing an internal affairs investigator of falsifying > information about his review of the incident. > > [...] > > --- > > http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0112/SEC533.HTM&Title=->2000->Ch0112->Section%20533 > >(4) Any person who is a participant in an internal investigation, > >including the complainant, the subject of the investigation, the > >investigator conducting the investigation, and any witnesses in the > >investigation, who willfully discloses any information obtained pursuant > >to the agency's investigation, including, but not limited to, the identity > >of the officer under investigation, the nature of the questions asked, > >information revealed, or documents furnished in connection with a > >confidential internal investigation of an agency, before such complaint, > >document, action, or proceeding becomes a public record as provided in > >this section commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as > >provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. However, this subsection does not > >limit a law enforcement or correctional officer's ability to gain access > >to information under paragraph (2)(a). Additionally, a sheriff, police > >chief, or other head of a law enforcement agency, or his or her designee, > >is not precluded by this section from acknowledging the existence of a > >complaint and the fact that an investigation is underway. > > http://legal.firn.edu/justice/01law.PDF > >Unauthorized disclosure penalties: Section 112.533(4), F.S., makes it a > >first degree misdemeanor for any person who is a participant in an > >internal investigation to willfully disclose any information obtained > >pursuant to the agency's investigation before such information becomes a > >public record. 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The parcel, which arrived at the head office of the international police organisation on Monday, was later taken by police van to a laboratory about 100 km (60 miles) away from the southeastern city of Lyon, where Interpol is based. The laboratory found four envelopes in the parcel. They contained a slab of rotten meat, an empty packet of cigarettes, two rotten eggs and toilet paper smeared with excrement and urine, the judicial sources said. The parcel was mailed in Miami and came from a man there who has regularly sent Interpol such material since 1994. "He's one of their regular correspondents," a police source said. The area around the Interpol building was cordoned off for more than three hours following the parcel's delivery, after which the workers were allowed back into the building. From tcmay at got.net Wed Jun 27 01:50:25 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 01:50:25 -0700 Subject: Police arrest newspaper editor for criticizing Florida cops In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010626214305.024b95a0@mail.well.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010626214305.024b95a0@mail.well.com> Message-ID: At 10:32 PM -0400 6/26/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Police in Key West, Flordia have arrested a newspaper editor for >printing an article that criticized an internal police >investigation, according to an Associated Press report. This brutish >action by police and prosecutors should be widely denounced. > I would denounce it, but the fact is that our denouncements don't matter. Political prosecutions and trials have become the norm. Personally, I have been closely involved in two serious criminal trials. In both of these criminal cases, those charged either were found guilty or would have been had they gone to trial (one of them died before the trial). In the case of the guilty person, he received no prison term for perpetrating a very serious crime. Why? Because there was no political interest in his case, so the usual excuse about how "overcrowded our prisons are" was used to let him avoid a prison sentence. When there is no interest in a case, a rap on the knuckles is the worst fate most street criminals ever face. However, if there is political interest, then charges are magnified and hyped and information is leaked to "U.S. News and World Report" about the horrible terrorist who awaits prosecution by the protectors of our freedoms. Even though our jails and prisons are said to be so crowded that violent felons are given bullshit "be a good boy" releases, political trials such as the cases of Parker, Bell, Henson, and others are the focus of cop activities and aggressive prosecutions. We let murderers, arsonists, and kidnappers go free so that the prisons can be filled with people who write fanciful essays about the "Circle of Eunuchs" and those who criticize local doughnut eaters. Keith Henson faces much more prison time than does the violent criminal in the case I am involved with. Because Henson is a thought criminal, while the violent criminal is just an ordinary criminal. And in these beknighted states of America, being a though criminal like Bell, Parker, or Henson is far worse than being a rapist, murderer, arsonist, or thief. Time for another Revolution and for about a hundred thousand dishonest cops and judges to face trial for and be put before firing squads. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay at got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns From lzkoch at mediaone.net Wed Jun 27 07:15:56 2001 From: lzkoch at mediaone.net (lzkoch at mediaone.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Forwarded article: DUI kit puts lawyer in glove compartment Message-ID: The following article was selected from the Internet Edition of the Chicago Tribune. To visit the site, point your browser to http://chicagotribune.com/. ----------- Chicago Tribune Article Forwarding---------------- ---Forwarded article---------------- DUI kit puts lawyer in glove compartment By Ted Gregory The latest thorn in the side of law enforcement efforts to curb drunken driving comes in a passport-sized booklet. And it talks. "Officer, please understand that I will only exit the vehicle for your safety or if under arrest," the automated male voice announces when a button on the cover is pushed. "Please read the enclosed for additional information." That is the 10-second essence of what police officers are calling "the black box." Its commercial name is Ramsell's Roadside Rights, named for Don Ramsell, the Wheaton attorney who believes police run roughshod over motorists and wants them to be prepared when stopped for driving while intoxicated. Available for $99.95 and marketed via the Internet, the kit instructs the driver to roll down the window just enough to slip a driver's license and insurance card to the officer, put the booklet's speaker to the window opening and press the button. The driver then should hand the officer a card that includes a refusal to answer any questions without an attorney present or to submit to sobriety tests. The recording and the card are intended to prevent the officer from getting too close to observe the driver's behavior or obtain any evidence that can be used against the driver if arrested and charged with DUI. And without observations, and more importantly, results from a field sobriety test and Breathalyzer, conviction is difficult. That's why Roselle Police Detective John Lawson dislikes the kits. He said he sees them as likely boosting the number of drivers who refuse sobriety tests, which possibly could mean more drunken motorists on the road. Lawson wants to strengthen DUI laws in Illinois by giving motorists a reason to think twice before refusing sobriety tests. Now, both field tests and Breathalyzers can be refused without consequence. For five years, Lawson has lead a coalition that includes the city of Chicago, Gov. George Ryan and the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police to push for a law that would require an Illinois secretary of state hearing if a motorist refuses a field sobriety test. If the hearing officer determines that the officer was correct in seeking the sobriety test, the driver would lose his or her license for six months. Ramsell has been aggressively defending those charged with DUI for 15 years. He has been arrested twice on suspicion of DUI and acquitted both times. "There's a lack of trust going on the streets," he said. "There's a bit of the sentiment that it's time to take back the streets." Hundreds of the kits have been sold, said Ramsell, president-elect of the DuPage County Bar Association. He wants to make money on the kits, but he also is fighting against what he sees as anti-DUI efforts that are too aggressive. "A, police stretch the truth in DUI cases," Ramsell said. "B, the field sobriety tests they give is junk science. C, the Constitution is alive and well. Use it. And, D, This actually levels the playing field." Illinois State Police report that the number of motorists who refused to take field sobriety tests last year rose to 2,445, about one in three. That is a 62 percent jump from 1997 figures when 17.7 percent of motorists stopped on suspicion of DUI refused sobriety tests. In the one court case where the kit was used, a McHenry County jury in February acquitted the driver after noting too many discrepancies in police officers' recollection of the arrest. "The book that he had didn't really have an effect," foreman John Prushinski, of Wonder Lake, said of motorist Colin Darling, 48, of Crystal Lake. "The police's credibility just wasn't there." Ramsell concedes the kit has angered law enforcement officials and prosecutors across the state. He is undaunted. "Why would I care if it ties the hands of police?" Ramsell said. "I don't want it to come off that I don't like cops but ... they work for the people. If this creates a little discussion about how we have gone too far, it's probably serving its greatest purpose." ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From jya at pipeline.com Wed Jun 27 07:17:51 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:17:51 -0700 Subject: Police arrest newspaper editor for criticizing Florida cops In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010626214305.024b95a0@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <200106271118.HAA28912@hall.mail.mindspring.net> Declan, Three Key West The Newspaper articles by Dennis Cooper about the Key West government scandal: http://cryptome.org/kwtn-bust.htm John From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jun 27 05:22:42 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:22:42 -0500 Subject: Slashdot | Hacking DirecTV over TCP/IP using Linux Message-ID: <3B39D012.8970C931@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/27/0029217.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jun 27 05:27:36 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:27:36 -0500 Subject: Newspaper: U.S.-Led Spy Net in Japan Message-ID: <3B39D138.F1E6A386@ssz.com> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010627/aponline033010_000.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jun 27 05:34:05 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:34:05 -0500 Subject: OPT: A Disturbing, Latino View of Tech Message-ID: <3B39D2BD.B2E46EFC@ssz.com> http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,44799,00.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jd at army-of-one.org Wed Jun 27 08:29:46 2001 From: jd at army-of-one.org (John Doe #N) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:29:46 -0700 Subject: new world order: lots of impotent noise Message-ID: <3B39FBEA.6CBC34C1@army-of-one.org> This kind of eurocrap does keep the militia alert against infringements of our sovereignty.. essentially this is political hoof-in-mouth disease... Wednesday June 27 6:47 AM ET World Court Favors Germany Over U.S. THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) - The World Court ruled in favor of Germany in a case involving the U.S. execution of two German brothers in 1999, saying the United States violated international law when it failed to grant consular rights to Germans. In a landmark ruling Wednesday, the court also pronounced that its provisional orders to national courts were legally binding, criticizing the U.S. state of Arizona for ignoring the World Court's order to delay the execution of one of the brothers. Brothers Karl and Walter LaGrand were executed in Tucson for the 1982 murder of a 63-year-old bank manager during a botched robbery. Germany took the United States to court, claiming the brothers had been denied representation by the German consulate that might have saved their lives. In doing so, Germany argued, the United States violated the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. The verdict is binding and not subject to appeal, however the World Court has no independent means to enforce compliance. From mmotyka at lsil.com Wed Jun 27 10:47:54 2001 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (mmotyka at lsil.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:47:54 -0700 Subject: DUI Speaking Book Message-ID: <3B3A1C4A.4D2F26D6@lsil.com> Is the content of the book available somewhere? Copyright notwithstanding? It's mostly academic since I don't drive schnockered but don't the consequences of refusal to take a field test vary from state to state? I always had the (possibly mistaken) impression in NY that refusal = guilty or at least hauled off to hospital for a blood test. I've no idea what things are like in CA. I like the part about staying in the car and not opening the window so he can't stick his sniffer flashlight in your face. Does that vary from state to state also? I guess the bottom line is that I resent the unconstitutional (fascist supreme court decisions aside) roadblocks and loosening of the 4th for automobile searches and preferred the old days when erratic driving was the prerequisite for a stop. Not that that couldn't be created out of whole cloth too but at least the wholesale stopping was not the norm. Mike From lzkoch at mediaone.net Wed Jun 27 08:58:47 2001 From: lzkoch at mediaone.net (Lewis Z. Koch) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:58:47 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Forwarded article: DUI kit puts lawyer in glove compartment Message-ID: From admin at vnnic.com Wed Jun 27 11:05:11 2001 From: admin at vnnic.com (admin at vnnic.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Claim your .VN domain names today Message-ID: <2219180.993665111761.JavaMail.root@registry.hightech.com.vn> Over 270,000 domain names are registered each day. Have you claimed yours yet? Here is your chance to claim your .VN domain names now! VNNIC.com working co-operatively with the Vietnamese government as the AUTHORIZED GLOBAL MARKETING AGENT for Vietnam, to assist in the promotion and administration of licensing the dotVN domain names worldwide. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 5505 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmotyka at lsil.com Wed Jun 27 14:50:29 2001 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (mmotyka at lsil.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:50:29 -0700 Subject: DMCA / When you decrypt, that's illegal (fwd) Message-ID: <3B3A5525.35472D6E@lsil.com> Nothing new. P. Junger has written on the topic. I think this may be an early draft but it is certainly more informative than a recent post. http://samsara.law.cwru.edu/dmca/qart.pdf It all sounds logical but then who owns the legislature? From cmardom at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 15:11:27 2001 From: cmardom at yahoo.com (Codi) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Teach Me!!! Message-ID: <20010627221127.89603.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> HI, Please teach me how to hack!!! Thanks. Codi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From allyn at well.com Wed Jun 27 15:58:30 2001 From: allyn at well.com (Mark Allyn) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Teach Me!!! In-Reply-To: <20010627221127.89603.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 1. Go to Radio Shack. 2. Buy a computer. 3. Go to computer book store. 4. Buy books on computer, Linux CD's, and GNU Software CD's 5. Install Linux and GNU software 6. Don't hook the computer to the net. 7. Hack in total safety and security. Mark On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Codi wrote: > > HI, Please teach me how to hack!!! > Thanks. > > Codi > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jun 27 14:05:23 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:05:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: DMCA / When you decrypt, that's illegal (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:04:47 -0400 From: Paul Kierstead To: cryptography at wasabisystems.com, 'Digital Bearer Settlement List' Subject: RE: DMCA / When you decrypt, that's illegal >From the section on satellite transmissions: > Any person who manufactures, assembles, modifies, > imports, exports, > sells, or distributes any electronic, mechanical, or > other device or > equipment, knowing or having reason to know that the > device or equipment > is primarily of assistance in the unauthorized decryption > of satellite An interesting word here is 'unauthorized'. Lets say I am actually paying for my satellite feed. I build (i.e. 'assemble') a box which descrambles those channels I have paid for. Am I not now 'authorized'? By the same analogy to the DCMA: When I buy a DVD, am I not authorized to play it under the conditions set forward in the [rather irritating] standard usage agreement, not for public viewing etc.? For that matter, does not the Home Recording Act give me the right to rip the DVD into another form if it is for my own personal use? I have not violated copyright in either of these cases. Assuming I do not distribute my device/software, I fail to see how I have broken the law, even in the satellite case. I do admit I might not enjoy the legal case, especially proving that I am only watching those channels which I am 'authorized' for. I guess some of the question is: when is a crowbar a burglary tool and when is it just a crowbar. Or does the DCMA make my decrypting a DVD (which I own) using unauthorized software (i.e. not part of the consortium) illegal, period? Paul.Kierstead at alcatel.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jun 27 14:05:43 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:05:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ANNOUNCE: PGP Corporate Desktop 7.1 Now Available (fwd) Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 319 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jd at army-of-one.org Wed Jun 27 16:07:29 2001 From: jd at army-of-one.org (John Doe #N) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:07:29 -0700 Subject: The Register - How to trace stolen notebooks over the Net Message-ID: <3B3A6731.773437DB@army-of-one.org> Choate pointed & grunted to: Software which pinpoints the exact location of laptop thieves via the Net is due to land in Europe by the end of this year. The software, developed by US company zTrace, activates a tracing technology when stolen laptops are connected to the Internet. Boy that's hard. All you need is a fixed IP (for laptop to check if its been reported stolen) and a 1-800 number (well, the Euro equiv which gives caller's number) and a warrant (ergo the required police report) for the number's meatspace loc'n from the local Telecom. Someone should do a freeware knock off. A software dead-man switch (tell the laptop a secret or it reports itself stolen to a 1-800 trace...) would work just as well. And you can forget the 1-800 if you can count on the equiv of 911 service. From jd at army-of-one.org Wed Jun 27 16:15:50 2001 From: jd at army-of-one.org (John Doe #N) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:15:50 -0700 Subject: DCMA: You must use Ford Gas in Ford Cars or Else We Repo The Car Message-ID: <3B3A6926.89042516@army-of-one.org> >Or does the DCMA make my decrypting a DVD (which I own) using unauthorized >software (i.e. not part of the consortium) illegal, period? When someone sells you something (e.g., a phonograph, or phonograph recording) they can claim that the warrantee is void [1] if you use other than *their* parts (phonograph needles, licensed phonographs), but they cannot tell the govt that they are harmed by your use of unapproved gear. The DCMA folks need to understand this. Badly. [1] An OEM may not be always be able to void a warrantee for objectively bogus reasons, e.g., a car manufacturer probably couldn't get away with dropping a drive-train warrantee because you used generic oil that fullfilled published specs. From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jun 27 14:18:24 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:18:24 -0500 Subject: The Register - How to trace stolen notebooks over the Net Message-ID: <3B3A4DA0.D167A50A@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/20026.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From bounce-investorsedge-1655339 at lyris.investorsedge.net Wed Jun 27 16:40:42 2001 From: bounce-investorsedge-1655339 at lyris.investorsedge.net (InvestorsEdge) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:40:42 -0700 Subject: NTUN Q1 Revenues up 68% Message-ID: [BG Capital Group] June 27, 2001 Volume 1 Issue 3 [Image] Dear Investor The Neptune Society Releases First Quarter Numbers Wow! What A Great Quarter For NTUN! There are great opportunities for investors in a lean and mean market environment and The Neptune Society (OTC BB: NTUN) story surpasses all standards. The company is only now beginning to realize the strength of its brand name and the positive results its management decisions have brought about over the past two years. The eagerly awaited, quarterly report that was just issued far exceeded our expectations and we are truly excited and proud to bring this stock to your attention. Gaining market share, streamlining operations to peak capacity of production, and a sales and marketing strategy that is paying off with record response rates and contracts signed, has made the Neptune Society the absolute leader in their niche -- the only publicly traded company that deals solely in cremation. Read On. We’re Confident You’ll Agree. Recent Highlights * For the last 5 days, made a new high in stock price 5 times * From 6/8 at $2.15 a share, the stock made a 20-day run to $6.20 on 6/26 * Relisted to the OTC BB from the Pink Sheets and will be applying for a senior exchange listing * Analyst coverage initiated by Banyan Capital Markets * Multex Market Guide establishes ProVestor company report 6/23 Quarterly Highlights 1) Gross Profit Margin ratio 10% higher than industry average 2) Most recent quarter revenue growth up 67% over the same period prior year 3) First quarter EBITDA increased 37% over same period prior year 4) Pre-Need contracts up 78% Symbolic of management efficiency, all major categories of Neptune’s Operating Statement improved as a percentage of revenue for the quarter ended 03/31/01. Revenues Increased 68% And As A Percentage Of Revenues... Management and finance fees decreased Direct cost and expenses decreased Gross profit increased General and administrative expenses decreased Amortization and depreciation expense decreased Professional fees decreased Total general administrative expenses decreased Interest expense decreased We anticipate the Neptune Society’s quarterly achievements in financial ratios and valuations will continue to improve in the next quarter and the Company will increase asset recognition, increase revenues, and reduce costs. HOT OFF THE PRESS !!! FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE THE NEPTUNE SOCIETY ANNOUNCES FIRST QUARTER RESULTS Burbank, CA., June 27, 2001 – The Neptune Society, Inc., (OTC BB: NTUN) one of the country’s largest publicly traded cremation specialists, announced its significant strategic accomplishments and financial results of operations during the three months ended March 31, 2001. On June 1, 2001, the staff of the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) came to a position of no further comment with respect to Neptune Society’s Registration Statement Form 10 filed with the SEC to register its common stock under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, completing an extensive and expensive 18-month process. During the process, with guidance from the staff of the SEC, Neptune Society developed its accounting policies related to recognition of pre-need merchandise revenue prior to the provision of cremation services. Subsequently, Neptune Society implemented changes to its pre need sales programs that will allow it to recognize pre-need merchandise revenues at the point-of-sale in certain states on a going forward basis. Also with guidance from the staff of the SEC, Neptune Society adopted new accounting policies, which resulted in the deferral of pre-need merchandise revenues in the amounts of $1.6 million and $4.3 million during the first quarter and the year ended December 31, 2000, respectively. Under United States generally accepted accounting principles, these deferrals are not recognized in the revenues of Neptune Society. During the first quarter ended March 31, 2001, Neptune Society recognized revenues of $2.7 million. Approximately two and one half years ago, Neptune Society acquired a group of closely-held corporations and limited partnerships loosely connected with virtually no standardized policies and procedures for financial and managerial information reporting. In 2000, Neptune Society invested heavily to substantially retool these operations for the purposes of realizing operating efficiencies. Neptune Society has attracted talented management personnel, expanded its telemarketing operations, updated and expanded its accounting and management information systems (including networking office locations together), made two strategic acquisitions, opened two new offices and implemented the infrastructure and quality controls necessary to support future growth and expansion. In the first quarter of 2001, Neptune Society began to realize positive results from the changes to its business infrastructure and the addition of new offices. Neptune Society’s first quarter operations generated positive cash flows, after taking into consideration certain prepaid expenses and certain payments related to fiscal year 2000, which caused cash flows related to operating activities to decrease. In addition, Neptune Society incurred $176,000 in professional fees, primarily related to the registration of its common stock under the Securities Exchange Act to qualify its shares for listing on the NASD over-the-counter bulletin board and, in the future, a listing on a major exchange. The costs incurred for professional fees are anticipated to begin to trend downward toward the end of the second quarter. Management believes that other indicators of growth and progress of Neptune Society’s performance include transaction volume and non-refundable sales (sales for which the customer has no refund or cancellation rights even though these sales may not be recognizable as revenue under the new accounting policies and US GAAP). Below are selected financial and operational results for the quarter ended March 31, 2001 compared to the same period in the prior year: Pre-need contract sales volume up 76% Total transaction volume up 58% Revenues up 68% Non-refundable sales (non-US GAAP) up 67% Gross profit up 100% Gross profit % up 17% Earnings & deferred earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization (non-US GAAP) up $796,099 While other major death-care industry companies reported declining transaction volumes and top line revenues during the first quarter compared to the same period in 2000 due in part to declining mortality rates, Neptune Society experienced increased transaction volume across all product lines. Pre-need contract sales volume increased 76 percent overall, with existing offices accounting for 41 percent of the overall increase. At-need case volume increased 46 percent over the same period last year, with existing offices accounting for 13 percent of the overall growth. Revenues were $2.7 million for the for the three month period ended March 31, 2001 compared to $1.6 million for the same period in 2000. Non-refundable sales were $4.2 million for the three month period ended March 31, 2001 compared to $2.5 million for the same period in 2000. Non-refundable sales increased 67 percent due to increased at-need and pre-need activity, change in product mix (from installment sales to paid-in-full sales) and the introduction of a new travel assurance product offering. The introduction of the Neptune Society Worldwide Travel Assurance Plan, a new product offering, contributed $295,000 to the increase in non-refundable sales and revenues during the first quarter of 2001. Gross profits doubled from $.65 million for the first quarter of 2000 to $1.3 million during for the same period in 2001. Gross profit percentage increased 17 percent due to the increased volume of activity and the resulting revenues, which covered certain fixed costs related to cremation and telemarketing operations. Earnings and deferred earnings (deferred revenues and costs, net) before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization are representative of the Company’s operating performance if no revenues or costs had been deferred. This non-US GAAP metric was $387,000, up $796,099 in the first quarter of 2001 versus the same period in 2000. Management believes that the Neptune Society is well positioned for growth in each of its core product lines: Pre-Need contract sales and at-need case deposition. Neptune Society has consolidated a group of companies into a strategically focused public company serving the cremation segment of the death care industry. Neptune Society’s goal in 2001 is to continue to integrate its product offerings, achieve higher organic and expansion growth, maintain positive cash flows and maximize the value that management believes to be inherent in Neptune Society for the benefit of its shareholders. The Neptune Society’s complete Form 10 and Form 10Q for the quarter ending March 31, 2001 is available for viewing at www.neptunesociety.com or the Securities Exchange Commission website at www.sec.gov. RODNEY M. BAGLEY CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER NEPTUNE SOCIETY INC. About The Neptune Society Headquartered in Burbank, CA., The Neptune Society Inc. is one of North America’s largest cremation specialists, and is the only publicly traded company dealing solely in cremation services. The Neptune Society, operating for nearly three decades with locations in California, Florida, New York, Washington, Iowa, Oregon and Arizona has provided thousands of cremation services and currently has close to 60,000 active contracts and nearly $40 million in trust in its unique Pre-Need program. The Neptune Society’s goal is to provide a simple, dignified and economic alternative to the traditional funeral burial service system. Disclaimer: This press release may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended. Readers/Investors are cautioned that the forward- looking statements are inherently uncertain, including statements related to the Company’s business strategy and future plans, continuing trends related to results of operations, success of acquisitions and expansion efforts, its ability to integrate its current business strategies into its existing operations, its ability to successfully financing to satisfy its obligations under promissory notes due during 2001, regulatory or economic changes affecting the death care industry, and the Company’s expectations for future success. Actual performance and results of operations may differ materially from those projected or suggested. The forward-looking statements contained herein represent the Company’s judgment as of the date of this release, and the Company cautions the reader not to place undue reliance on such statements. These forward-looking statements should not be reprinted, reiterated nor considered an inducement for investment. -xxx- Click here for a PDF version of Neptune's First Quarter 10Q [Image] Contact The Neptune Society Investor Relations Gary R. Loffredo (800) 535-7935 www.neptunesociety.com Corporate Headquarters 3500 W. Olive Suite # 1430 Burbank, CA 91505 Telephone: 888-637-8863 E-mail: info at neptunesociety.com Visit The Neptune Society on the Web: Click here We invite you to investigate the Neptune Society, trading symbol NTUN, by using the following links. Recent SEC Filings click here Click here for Financial Chart For Trading Technicals click here For current stock quote click here Disclaimer: The information contained herein is based on news releases or other reports written and disseminated entirely by the subject company. 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Readers/Investors are cautioned that the forward- looking statements are inherently uncertain, including statements related to the Company’s business strategy, success of its acquisitions, its ability to integrate its current business strategies into its existing operations and the Company’s expectations for future success. Actual performance and results of operations may differ materially from those projected or suggested. The forward-looking statements contained herein represent the Company’s judgment as of the date of this release, and the Company cautions the reader not to place undue reliance on such statements. These forward-looking statements should not be reprinted, reiterated nor considered an inducement for investment. Copyright © 2001 BG Capital Group --- You are currently subscribed to investorsedge as: cypherpunks at algebra.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-investorsedge-1655339N at lyris.investorsedge.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 20939 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmotyka at lsil.com Wed Jun 27 16:53:07 2001 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (mmotyka at lsil.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:53:07 -0700 Subject: Phoning Home Message-ID: <3B3A71E3.23EBB118@lsil.com> I'd be steamed if I had a laptop stolen. Recovering stolen property sounds good but the little zTrace widget is probably in the flash or on the hdd - reflash bios, reinstall os. Might want to use a pcmcia nic to get a new mac address, I have seen an enet chip that uses a small eeprom for the mac and can be reprogrammed in circuit, use Linux to avoid the cpuid sneaking out. Now how does it phone home? Best bet is watch it closely or lock it up when you can't. Mike From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Wed Jun 27 08:40:53 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:40:53 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: new world order: lots of impotent noise In-Reply-To: <3B39FBEA.6CBC34C1@army-of-one.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, John Doe #N wrote: > This kind of eurocrap does keep the militia alert against > infringements of our sovereignty.. essentially this is political > hoof-in-mouth disease... Man, such an attitude is so yesterday. Instead of blathering about the late LeGrands, someone better tell me: how do you manage your keyring on an air-gap protected machine? I.e. how high paranoia level is practical? Sneakernet, of course, but which media do you use: ZIP or MOD? Do you bug your apartment, and leave subliminal tripwire implements around? Inquiring minds want to know. -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Wed Jun 27 08:40:53 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:40:53 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: new world order: lots of impotent noise In-Reply-To: <3B39FBEA.6CBC34C1@army-of-one.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, John Doe #N wrote: > This kind of eurocrap does keep the militia alert against > infringements of our sovereignty.. essentially this is political > hoof-in-mouth disease... Man, such an attitude is so yesterday. Instead of blathering about the late LeGrands, someone better tell me: how do you manage your keyring on an air-gap protected machine? I.e. how high paranoia level is practical? Sneakernet, of course, but which media do you use: ZIP or MOD? Do you bug your apartment, and leave subliminal tripwire implements around? Inquiring minds want to know. -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jun 27 16:12:48 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:12:48 -0500 Subject: Linux Today - internetnews.com: One Net, One Law? Message-ID: <3B3A6870.2F283F35@ssz.com> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-06-27-002-21-NW-BZ-CY -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From stevet at sendon.net Wed Jun 27 12:14:46 2001 From: stevet at sendon.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:14:46 +0000 Subject: Police arrest newspaper editor for criticizing Florida cops References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010626214305.024b95a0@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <200106280052.UAA06277@divert.sendon.net> Quoting Tim May (tcmay at got.net): [snip] > We let murderers, arsonists, and kidnappers go free so that the > prisons can be filled with people who write fanciful essays about the > "Circle of Eunuchs" and those who criticize local doughnut eaters. 'Twas always thus. [snip] > Time for another Revolution and for about a hundred thousand > dishonest cops and judges to face trial for and be put before firing > squads. That seems a little extreme, though you are well known for your cure-all: ``eat the useless eaters''. Are you sure such persons shouldn't instead be put in a re-education camp so they might learn something of the virtue of integrity? Contemplating four tall and largely featureless concrete walls over a span of years would teach many things. Regards, Steve -- ``In this connexion perhaps I may be allowed to utter a mild protest against one of the more recent of modern fashions. In days which are not so very remote, the most respectful criticisms of orthodox theology used to be dismissed with the retort that all unbelief is sin. Now, it seems to me, the boot is on the other leg. The whole of religion and many of our moral beliefs are apt to be dismissed on the ground that they are the product of complexes into the nature of which it would, before the present era, have been considered indelicate to inquire.'' -- H. J. Paton, ``Fashion and Philosophy'' From schear at lvcm.com Wed Jun 27 19:59:31 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:59:31 -0700 Subject: DCMA: You must use Ford Gas in Ford Cars or Else We Repo The Car In-Reply-To: <9hdts0$6e7$1@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> References: <3B3A6926.89042516@army-of-one.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010627195452.0374ac38@pop3.lvcm.com> At 12:30 AM 6/28/2001 +0000, Ian Goldberg wrote: >In article <3B3A6926.89042516 at army-of-one.org>, >John Doe #N wrote: > >[1] An OEM may not be always be able to void a warrantee for objectively > >bogus reasons, > >e.g., a car manufacturer probably couldn't get away with dropping a > >drive-train warrantee > >because you used generic oil that fullfilled published specs. > >Well, manufacturers certainly behave this egregiously today; Ross >Anderson's new book (I believe it was) tells of great things like >printers checking the model of toner catridge installed, and >automatically degrading the image if a 3rd-party cartridge is >being used. Its only egregiously if the manufacturer fails to inform the prospective purchaser that performance is only guaranteed with OEM cartridges. Because consumers will base buying decisions on a dollar the sellers have resorted to pricing the printers so that they make their money on the supplies. A valid model to me. (Steve, who retrofit his Epson Color 740 for continuous ink supply and never has to purchase or refill a cartridge on the printer again.) steve From rick at nationalserviceco.com Wed Jun 27 20:11:08 2001 From: rick at nationalserviceco.com (Rick) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:11:08 Subject: FREE ELECTRICITY for homes Message-ID: <200106280312.f5S3Cfv16219@rigel.cyberpass.net> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent in compliance of the new e-mail bill: SECTION 301. 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For details, send an email to rick at nationalserviceco.com and make your Declaration of Energy Independence today. ________________________________________________________________________ UCSA---Advertisment From George at Orwellian.Org Wed Jun 27 17:35:20 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Dick Cheney: the new Hillary Clinton Message-ID: <200106280035.UAA12640@www8.aa.psiweb.com> Heh. Dick Cheney is formulating an energy policy, but refuses to say who he's meeting with. Just like Hillary Clinton and her health panel meetings. Oh, and after being slammed (Bush/Cheney) for ridiculing energy conservation, and having made fun of Gore during the presidential campaign for wanting to offer tax credits for hybrid car purchases, now recommends doing the same thing. Politicians. ---- http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/26/politics/26CHEN.html?searchpv=day01 # # Cheney Withholds List of Those Who Spoke to Energy Panel # # By JOSEPH KAHN June 26, 2001 # # WASHINGTON, June 25 - Vice President Dick Cheney has declined # to identify the people who met privately with his energy task # force, raising tensions with Congressional investigators who # have repeatedly requested the information. # # The General Accounting Office, an investigative arm of Congress, # sent Mr. Cheney's office a letter late last week complaining # that a month had passed since it first submitted an inquiry about # the workings of the task force. The letter said the vice president # had a legal obligation to provide the information immediately. # # Mr. Cheney's office said the letter was sent one day after it # submitted 77 pages of documents to the accounting office. # # "Our correspondence crossed in the mail," said Juleanna Glover # Weiss, a spokeswoman for Mr. Cheney. # # But Ms. Weiss said the vice president had not provided the names # of people, including industry executives, who may have influenced # the formation of the Bush administration's energy policy, which # was released last month. # # "Our counsel and the G.A.O. will continue to talk about this," # Ms. Weiss said. # # The energy task force Mr. Cheney headed spent several months # compiling a lengthy energy strategy that contained about 150 # recommendations for administrative and legislative actions to # address what it termed an energy crisis. # # Administration officials have said that they met with a wide # variety of people concerned about energy issues, including # executives of oil, natural gas, electricity, nuclear power and # energy infrastructure companies. They have declined to provide # a list of people who had access to the task force. # # Some Democrats have asserted that leading Republican donors had # special access to the task force and that the energy policy is # skewed toward measures favored by major corporations. Two # Democratic representatives, Henry A. Waxman of California and # John D. Dingell of Michigan, asked the accounting office to report # on the officials who served on the task force, what information # was collected by the panel, whom they met with and how much the # task force spent. # # The White House provided the G.A.O. with the financial records # of the task force. But administration officials have told the # investigative body that they are not compelled to provide the # names of outsiders who met with the task force. # # The accounting office's general counsel, Anthony H. Gamboa, said # in a letter to Mr. Cheney's office last week that the # investigative body is entitled to more information. # # The letter warned that if the White House does not provide the # full range of information the G.A.O. is seeking, it may issue # a "demand letter," a more formal request. Under the law, the # White House would have 20 days to respond. # # If the dispute continues, the accounting office could bring a # civil action against the administration. ---- Ugh, my previous complaint about missing mail: entirely my fault. I managed to have two different POP clients running. From George at Orwellian.Org Wed Jun 27 17:35:35 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Dick Cheney: the new Hillary Clinton Message-ID: <200106280035.UAA22230@www7.aa.psiweb.com> Heh. Dick Cheney is formulating an energy policy, but refuses to say who he's meeting with. Just like Hillary Clinton and her health panel meetings. Oh, and after being slammed (Bush/Cheney) for ridiculing energy conservation, and having made fun of Gore during the presidential campaign for wanting to offer tax credits for hybrid car purchases, now recommends doing the same thing. Politicians. ---- http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/26/politics/26CHEN.html?searchpv=day01 # # Cheney Withholds List of Those Who Spoke to Energy Panel # # By JOSEPH KAHN June 26, 2001 # # WASHINGTON, June 25 - Vice President Dick Cheney has declined # to identify the people who met privately with his energy task # force, raising tensions with Congressional investigators who # have repeatedly requested the information. # # The General Accounting Office, an investigative arm of Congress, # sent Mr. Cheney's office a letter late last week complaining # that a month had passed since it first submitted an inquiry about # the workings of the task force. The letter said the vice president # had a legal obligation to provide the information immediately. # # Mr. Cheney's office said the letter was sent one day after it # submitted 77 pages of documents to the accounting office. # # "Our correspondence crossed in the mail," said Juleanna Glover # Weiss, a spokeswoman for Mr. Cheney. # # But Ms. Weiss said the vice president had not provided the names # of people, including industry executives, who may have influenced # the formation of the Bush administration's energy policy, which # was released last month. # # "Our counsel and the G.A.O. will continue to talk about this," # Ms. Weiss said. # # The energy task force Mr. Cheney headed spent several months # compiling a lengthy energy strategy that contained about 150 # recommendations for administrative and legislative actions to # address what it termed an energy crisis. # # Administration officials have said that they met with a wide # variety of people concerned about energy issues, including # executives of oil, natural gas, electricity, nuclear power and # energy infrastructure companies. They have declined to provide # a list of people who had access to the task force. # # Some Democrats have asserted that leading Republican donors had # special access to the task force and that the energy policy is # skewed toward measures favored by major corporations. Two # Democratic representatives, Henry A. Waxman of California and # John D. Dingell of Michigan, asked the accounting office to report # on the officials who served on the task force, what information # was collected by the panel, whom they met with and how much the # task force spent. # # The White House provided the G.A.O. with the financial records # of the task force. But administration officials have told the # investigative body that they are not compelled to provide the # names of outsiders who met with the task force. # # The accounting office's general counsel, Anthony H. Gamboa, said # in a letter to Mr. Cheney's office last week that the # investigative body is entitled to more information. # # The letter warned that if the White House does not provide the # full range of information the G.A.O. is seeking, it may issue # a "demand letter," a more formal request. Under the law, the # White House would have 20 days to respond. # # If the dispute continues, the accounting office could bring a # civil action against the administration. ---- Ugh, my previous complaint about missing mail: entirely my fault. I managed to have two different POP clients running. From rick at nationalserviceco.com Wed Jun 27 20:44:17 2001 From: rick at nationalserviceco.com (Rick) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:44:17 Subject: FREE ELECTRICITY for homes Message-ID: <200106280346.f5S3kAx19586@ak47.algebra.com> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent in compliance of the new e-mail bill: SECTION 301. Per section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618, Further transmissions to you by the sender of this email may be stopped at no cost to you by sending a reply to this email address with the word "remove" in the subject line. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you interested in FREE ELECTRICITY? Are you tired of paying electric bills? Would you be interested in receiving FREE ELECTRICITY from The International Tesla Electric Company? A limited amount of people can receive a FREE ELECTRICITY GENERATOR at their residence. Act NOW! First come First serve. For details, send an email to rick at nationalserviceco.com and make your Declaration of Energy Independence today. ________________________________________________________________________ UCSA---Advertisment From Raymond at fbn.bc.ca Wed Jun 27 22:01:26 2001 From: Raymond at fbn.bc.ca (Raymond D. Mereniuk) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:01:26 -0800 Subject: Phoning Home In-Reply-To: <3B3A71E3.23EBB118@lsil.com> Message-ID: <3B3A49C8.11410.151EA5A6@localhost> On 27 Jun 2001, at 16:53, mmotyka at lsil.com wrote: > I'd be steamed if I had a laptop stolen. Recovering stolen property > sounds good but the little zTrace widget is probably in the flash or on > the hdd - reflash bios, reinstall os. Might want to use a pcmcia nic to > get a new mac address, I have seen an enet chip that uses a small eeprom > for the mac and can be reprogrammed in circuit, use Linux to avoid the > cpuid sneaking out. Now how does it phone home? Best bet is watch it > closely or lock it up when you can't. The Ztrace software is probably much the same as the Computrace software from Absolute Software located in Vancouver BC. The Computrace software was discussed on this list a number of years ago, before the call home thru the Net feature was added. There is 20 to 40 KB of unused space in the system area of any AT type formated hard drive, same area, or nearby, to where your partition information is written on the hard drive. This area is normally not over-written when you use Fdisk to partition a hard drive or when you do a high level format. The software is loaded into this area. The software is configured to call home base, the security service provider (SSP), on a pre- determined basis. When it calls home it basically identifies itself and asks for instructions. In normally circumstances it is given none. If an asset is reported stolen and then calls home it is instructed to call home on a more frequent basis. If it calls home via a telephone line the SSP gets the calling from number from ANI. If you terminate incoming digital telephone lines (T1) in a Telco system compatible device you will be given the ANI, Automatic Number Identification. You can't block ANI. If it calls home via the Net they get an IP address. Either way the location of the remote asset is easily determined. When they get a location they contact the nearest local law enforcement agency, explain the situation and normally the local law seizes the asset. I use asset as this type of product is marketed for use in desktop and server type computers. It is also marketed to insurance companies, want a discount on the policy, just load this software and keep this number handy incase you lose it. I figure it can be removed if you know it is there. I have no direct experience so I can't speak with any authority. Last time this was discussed in this forum it was thought the Linux Fdisk would delete it. I have some other tools for deleting disk partitions which I figure would work plus there was some low-level format programs for certain brands of IDE hard drives which would probably work on older model hard drives. A good guess would be anything which could delete a Disk Manager boot record would delete this application. Virtually Raymond D. Mereniuk Raymond at fbntech.com FBN - Offering LAST, Large Array of Stale Technology http://www.fbntech.com/product.html From honig at sprynet.com Wed Jun 27 21:14:05 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:14:05 -0700 Subject: DCMA: You must use Ford Gas in Ford Cars or Else We Repo The Car In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010627195452.0374ac38@pop3.lvcm.com> References: <9hdts0$6e7$1@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> <3B3A6926.89042516@army-of-one.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010627211405.007a0bb0@pop.sprynet.com> At 07:59 PM 6/27/01 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: >>Well, manufacturers certainly behave this egregiously today; Ross >>Anderson's new book (I believe it was) tells of great things like >>printers checking the model of toner catridge installed, and >>automatically degrading the image if a 3rd-party cartridge is >>being used. > > >Its only egregiously if the manufacturer fails to inform the prospective >purchaser that performance is only guaranteed with OEM cartridges. Agreed; contract law always applies. In fact, there may well be engineering reasons for doing certain things only with known cartridges. At the same time, when you buy a device, you expect it to interoperate as best it can. The reputation of a company making gear which doesn't, rightfully suffers. Because >consumers will base buying decisions on a dollar the sellers have resorted >to pricing the printers so that they make their money on the supplies. Tell me about it! Still, that's what the market has evolved. Detroit could make cars that lasted 200,000 miles (reliably; the spec calls for 100,000), but most folks wouldn't pay the extra cost. Sometimes the 'give the razors for free, sell the blades' bizplan is the optimal. A >valid model to me. (Steve, who retrofit his Epson Color 740 for continuous >ink supply and never has to purchase or refill a cartridge on the printer >again.) Um, have you put plans online? dh From iang at abraham.cs.berkeley.edu Wed Jun 27 18:15:03 2001 From: iang at abraham.cs.berkeley.edu (Ian Goldberg) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:15:03 -0400 Subject: DCMA: You must use Ford Gas in Ford Cars or Else We Repo The Car References: <3B3A6926.89042516@army-of-one.org> Message-ID: In article <3B3A6926.89042516 at army-of-one.org>, John Doe #N wrote: >[1] An OEM may not be always be able to void a warrantee for objectively >bogus reasons, >e.g., a car manufacturer probably couldn't get away with dropping a >drive-train warrantee >because you used generic oil that fullfilled published specs. Well, manufacturers certainly behave this egregiously today; Ross Anderson's new book (I believe it was) tells of great things like printers checking the model of toner catridge installed, and automatically degrading the image if a 3rd-party cartridge is being used. - Ian From selfhelpgroup at runbox.com Wed Jun 27 08:52:21 2001 From: selfhelpgroup at runbox.com (selfhelpgroup) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:22:21 +0530 Subject: Your hearty co-operation for drug deaddiction programme Message-ID: Respected Sir, We are working in the field of drug deaddiction (any type) through the use of essence of Herbal Plants from last 5-6 years. We would like your hearty co-operation for drug deaddiction programme. FAQ about deaddiction is attached / available in deaddiction section of our website http://www.selfhelpgroup.inbox.as Basically the medicine in essence form is obtained by getting the Sparigic Essence of non-poisonous multi herbs by Cohobation Method and treating - exposing this to particular phases of Sun & nature for about 12 months. With regards, Selfhelpgroup selfhelpgroup at runbox.com satyalesari at naturoresearchcentre.inbox.as dr_umesh at verma.to Please visit our web site.. http://www.selfhelpgroup.inbox.as Note: Please ignore the messege if duplicated. Coming together is beginning, staying together is progress and working together is success. From selfhelpgroup at runbox.com Wed Jun 27 08:52:21 2001 From: selfhelpgroup at runbox.com (selfhelpgroup) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:22:21 +0530 Subject: Your hearty co-operation for drug deaddiction programme Message-ID: Respected Sir, We are working in the field of drug deaddiction (any type) through the use of essence of Herbal Plants from last 5-6 years. We would like your hearty co-operation for drug deaddiction programme. FAQ about deaddiction is attached / available in deaddiction section of our website http://www.selfhelpgroup.inbox.as Basically the medicine in essence form is obtained by getting the Sparigic Essence of non-poisonous multi herbs by Cohobation Method and treating - exposing this to particular phases of Sun & nature for about 12 months. With regards, Selfhelpgroup selfhelpgroup at runbox.com satyalesari at naturoresearchcentre.inbox.as dr_umesh at verma.to Please visit our web site.. http://www.selfhelpgroup.inbox.as Note: Please ignore the messege if duplicated. Coming together is beginning, staying together is progress and working together is success. From selfhelpgroup at runbox.com Wed Jun 27 08:52:21 2001 From: selfhelpgroup at runbox.com (selfhelpgroup) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:22:21 +0530 Subject: Your hearty co-operation for drug deaddiction programme Message-ID: Respected Sir, We are working in the field of drug deaddiction (any type) through the use of essence of Herbal Plants from last 5-6 years. We would like your hearty co-operation for drug deaddiction programme. FAQ about deaddiction is attached / available in deaddiction section of our website http://www.selfhelpgroup.inbox.as Basically the medicine in essence form is obtained by getting the Sparigic Essence of non-poisonous multi herbs by Cohobation Method and treating - exposing this to particular phases of Sun & nature for about 12 months. With regards, Selfhelpgroup selfhelpgroup at runbox.com satyalesari at naturoresearchcentre.inbox.as dr_umesh at verma.to Please visit our web site.. http://www.selfhelpgroup.inbox.as Note: Please ignore the messege if duplicated. Coming together is beginning, staying together is progress and working together is success. From amaha at vsnl.net Wed Jun 27 10:36:02 2001 From: amaha at vsnl.net (Fountain Of Joy) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:06:02 +0530 (IST) Subject: Thought-A-Day Message-ID: <20010627173602.4E42F17BB7@mmb1.vsnl.net.in> Become a specialist in doing the "wholly impossible",the things that "can't" be done. --Norman Vincent Peale ***************************************************************************** Your name has been recommended to receive thoughts of wisdom from Fountain of Joy.These refreshing thoughts will be delivered,free of cost,to your desktop,everyday,for an initial evaluation period.We believe that the meaningful insights of these carefully selected thoughts will bring peace,success & happyness in your life. If you would like your near and dear ones to receive these thoughts,please send their email addresses to amaha at vsnl.net We apologise if this email is received by you in error.If you desire to unsubscribe,reply to this email with 'remove' in the subject line. Thank you. ----Director, Fountain of Joy (Non-religious Organisation) From schear at lvcm.com Wed Jun 27 23:09:44 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:09:44 -0700 Subject: DCMA: You must use Ford Gas in Ford Cars or Else We Repo The Car In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010627211405.007a0bb0@pop.sprynet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010627195452.0374ac38@pop3.lvcm.com> <9hdts0$6e7$1@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> <3B3A6926.89042516@army-of-one.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010627230143.03774b70@pop3.lvcm.com> At 09:14 PM 6/27/2001 -0700, David Honig wrote: >At 07:59 PM 6/27/01 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: > >valid model to me. (Steve, who retrofit his Epson Color 740 for continuous > >ink supply and never has to purchase or refill a cartridge on the printer > >again.) > >Um, have you put plans online? No need, you can buy these kits for about $100 (by the time you've used up the initial ink supply included with the kit you've save about $300 by their reckoning) from MIS http://www.inksupply.com. Their Epson Continuous Flow System is one of the best computer-related investments I've ever made. If you're considering a new printer, consider an Epson and a CFS. They also sell archival and quadratone inks (for incredible B&W prints). steve From ravage at ssz.com Wed Jun 27 21:37:31 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:37:31 -0500 Subject: CNN.com - Feds charge 8 with stealing, selling FBI records - June 27, 2001 Message-ID: <3B3AB48B.EE25351@ssz.com> http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/06/27/fbi.records.probe/index.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From iang at abraham.cs.berkeley.edu Wed Jun 27 17:30:56 2001 From: iang at abraham.cs.berkeley.edu (Ian Goldberg) Date: 28 Jun 2001 00:30:56 GMT Subject: DCMA: You must use Ford Gas in Ford Cars or Else We Repo The Car References: <3B3A6926.89042516@army-of-one.org> Message-ID: <9hdts0$6e7$1@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> In article <3B3A6926.89042516 at army-of-one.org>, John Doe #N wrote: >[1] An OEM may not be always be able to void a warrantee for objectively >bogus reasons, >e.g., a car manufacturer probably couldn't get away with dropping a >drive-train warrantee >because you used generic oil that fullfilled published specs. Well, manufacturers certainly behave this egregiously today; Ross Anderson's new book (I believe it was) tells of great things like printers checking the model of toner catridge installed, and automatically degrading the image if a 3rd-party cartridge is being used. - Ian From stevet at sendon.net Wed Jun 27 17:41:23 2001 From: stevet at sendon.net (Steve Thompson) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:41:23 +0000 Subject: Teach Me!!! References: <20010627221127.89603.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200106280101.VAA06932@divert.sendon.net> Quoting Codi (cmardom at yahoo.com): > HI, Please teach me how to hack!!! 1) Buy a computer and take it home from store. 2) Buy an empty 55 gallon drum and bolt it to your house's basement floor. 3) Fill 55 gallon drum 1/4 full of concrete. Allow to cure. 4) Put computer in drum. 5) Pour additional concrete in drum until filled. 7) Watch drum until concrete is fully cured. 8) Enjoy your new and somewhat secure computer. Regards, Steve -- ``In this connexion perhaps I may be allowed to utter a mild protest against one of the more recent of modern fashions. In days which are not so very remote, the most respectful criticisms of orthodox theology used to be dismissed with the retort that all unbelief is sin. Now, it seems to me, the boot is on the other leg. The whole of religion and many of our moral beliefs are apt to be dismissed on the ground that they are the product of complexes into the nature of which it would, before the present era, have been considered indelicate to inquire.'' -- H. J. Paton, ``Fashion and Philosophy'' From freematt at coil.com Wed Jun 27 21:43:11 2001 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:43:11 -0400 Subject: DRUG WAR ON THE WEB Village Voice : 'Narco News' Ready For Libel Suit In New York Message-ID: Story from Guardian follows Pubdate: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 Source: Village Voice (NY) Copyright: 2001 Village Voice Media, Inc Contact: editor at villagevoice.com Website: http://www.villagevoice.com/ Author: Cynthia Cotts Referenced: http://www.narconews.com DRUG WAR ON THE WEB Last month, when Citigroup bought Banamex, the second largest bank in Mexico, the deal was praised as good for the Mexican people and good for the banks. Citigroup vice chairman Robert Rubin told the press that the deal was the result of an overture from Banamex chairman Roberto Hernandez Ramirez, who is worth $1.3 billion and has been promised a seat on the Citigroup board. On May 18, The New York Times faithfully regurgitated Hernandez's rags-to-riches success story. But the fruit vendor turned billionaire has a dark side. According to statements made in 2000 by Al Giordano, publisher of the Mexican-based NarcoNews.com, Hernandez has also been called a money launderer and a drug dealer. Giordano says he has reviewed published photos and testimony suggesting that Hernandez has shared his Yucatan beachfront with the boats and planes of the cocaine trade. Hernandez has denied the allegations since they were first reported in 1997 by the Mexican newspaper Por Esto! Last summer, after failing in his efforts to get Por Esto! prosecuted in Mexico, the banker decided to sue his critics in New York. He hired Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, a firm that has represented alleged money launderers in the past, to file a libel suit on behalf of Banamex. His lawyer calls the portrayal of Hernandez and Banamex as drug traffickers "utterly false," and claims that Giordano's comments "injured Banamex's business reputation"oa conclusion which seems especially odd now that Banamex has been snapped up by Citigroup for $12.5 billion. Wherever he found his money, Hernandez has enough of it to sue Narco News for yearsoor at least until the Web site shuts down. But it would be a mistake to underestimate my friend Giordano, a respected reporter and activist who plans to defend himself against the libel charges. In what is shaping up to be the summer's most entertaining media trial, Giordano will appear in New York State Supreme Court on July 20, where he plans to throw curve balls during the first round of oral arguments in the case. In his motion to dismiss, Giordano chronicles his lifelong commitment to free speech and claims that every one of his supposedly libelous statements is what the courts call an opinion, because in each case he cited the facts on which his opinion was based. Via e-mail, Giordano wrote that the opinion defense has solid precedents, including a case in which an umpire sued Yankees owner George Steinbrenner for mocking his calls as "ludicrous" and incompetent. Because Steinbrenner referred to specifics to back up his opinion, his statement was found to be not defamatory. Giordano says, "We razzed the umpire in this case, the government, which leaves certain white-collar traffickers alone." Attorney Thomas Lesser, who represents Narco News, also filed a motion to dismiss, arguing that the court cannot allow Banamex to sue the Web site in New York for content uploaded in Mexico. According to Lesser, that would be tantamount to giving any libel plaintiff permission to sue any Web site anywhere in the worldoa precedent that would seriously threaten free speech. In its response, Akin Gump calls Lesser's argument a "straw man" and paints Giordano as having superhuman powers to raise money and affect public opinion. The plaintiff also claims jurisdiction in New York because Giordano has business contacts and does fundraising here. It's too early to call a winner, but as of this week, Giordano will stop posting new reports on his Web site. When he arrives in New York, he intends to dispense with the technicalities and turn the spotlight on the drug trade, which is the heart of the case. "We may be out-hollered and out-dollared," he quips, "but we're not outsmarted." Unlike Hernandez, who Giordano says is "hiding behind his bank," the journalist will step up to the plate. "Just showing my face," he says, "will speak volumes about which side of this dispute is telling the truth." Given his passionate opposition to the drug war, Giordano should have plenty of fans cheering from the bleachers. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Pubdate: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 Source: Guardian, The (UK) Copyright: 2001 Guardian Newspapers Limited Contact: letters at guardian.co.uk Website: http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian/ Author: Sean Dobson Referenced: http://www.narconews.com HACKS HIT IN DRUGS WAR An American Investigative Journalist Is Being Sued Over His Website's Reports Of Drugs Trafficking In Mexico. So What Are The Implications For Freedom Of Speech? In 1997, a notable Mexican billionaire, Roberto Hernandez, general director and majority owner of the National Bank of Mexico (Banamex) and one of the richest men in the world, picked up a copy of Por Esto, a modest Mexican daily newspaper. In its pages was the first of 15 investigative reports which alleged that he was a major drugs trafficker. After a lengthy criminal libel trial lasting more than two years, a Mexican judge ruled that Banamex had not been libelled, a decision that was upheld on appeal in May last year. A third attempt to press criminal charges in Mexico was thrown out of court. Hernandez has never personally filed a libel lawsuit over any of the allegations made by Por Esto. It could have ended there and it nearly did. But next month Banamex will be back in court - this time in Courtroom 205 of the New York State Supreme Court - and a new defendant will stand in the dock alongside Por Esto's editor Mario Menendez and his team of reporters. On July 21, the Mexican hacks will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Al Giordano, a US investigative journalist and publisher of a crusading website, www.narconews.com. At stake, say the defendants, is the future of free speech on the internet. The Banamex suit charges the journalists with "defamation and interference with prospective economic advantage", accusing them of "maliciously smear[ing] Banamex with accusations that, among other things, it is controlled and operated by narcotics traffickers and has engaged in illegal activity". If it hadn't been for Giordano, much of the world would never have heard of Por Esto's allegations. Since leaving his native Boston, the former political reporter has been operating - often in secret - deep in the heart of Latin America's "narco states". He is the sole publisher of Narco News, a website that aims at the reform of US drugs policy. It attempts to expose corruption, offers translations of the Latin press into English and aims to shatter "the illusion that the drugs war is about combating drugs". Banamex's lawyers claim that the defamation occurred last year when Menendez and Giordano went on a publicity tour to New York. The tour included an interview with Menendez in New York's Village Voice, a radio interview with Giordano and Menendez, and a lecture the pair gave at the Columbia University School of Law - all well within the court's jurisdiction.But crucially, the libel action also cites a number of articles Giordano published on his website, which is produced and maintained in Mexico and uploaded to a server in Maryland USA, not New York. Speaking from an undisclosed location in Latin America, Giordano told MediaGuardian: "If the National Bank of Mexico can sue a website published from Mexico, over stories investigated, reported and uploaded from Mexico, and sue that website in New York, that would set a dangerous precedent that chills free speech throughout the internet. If you say something that a large corporation doesn't like, not only can you be hauled into court in Mexico, but you can be hauled into court anywhere in the world." According to Tamsin Allen, a specialist in media law at City law firm Bindman and Partners, Banamex is practising a form of "forum shopping". "It happens quite often," says Allen. "What it means in effect is that the bank is looking around for a forum which is going to give it the best result." Giordano says he left the US because "journalism, as I once knew it, seemed to be dying". After a year in Chiapas, living with the indigenous Zapatista rebels, Giordano began operating from his secret base in Latin America. In a little over a year, Narco News has broken a string of scoops focusing on the war on drugs. It exposed a conflict-of-interest scandal surrounding a series of Associated Press articles about Bolivian politics, which led to the resignation of AP's Bolivia correspondent, Peter McFarren. It also broke the news that the president of Uruguay Jorge Batlle has recently begun calling for the legalisation of drugs. "None of the stories were about Banamex," says Giordano. "So you have to ask: why doesn't Hernandez bring the suit himself?" Narco News will be represented by Charles Nesson, the Harvard law professor who came to prominence in 1987 when he defended Abbie Hoffman and Amy Carter in their fight against the CIA. Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer and Feld - the third largest lobbying firm in Washington with clients including Colombia and Bolivia - will represent Banamex. When proceedings begin next month the debate will centre around whether Banamex has acted properly in bringing its lawsuit in New York, when it has already been defeated three times in Mexican courts. In a bid to establish jurisdiction over Narco News, Banamex claims that it is an "affiliate" of a media watchdog group called the Media Channel, which is based in New York. "There's no money involved," says Giordano. "Nobody pays to affiliate with organisations of like interests. But imagine if affiliation could be used to sue Media Channel in New York. It will have a chilling effect on media organisations and citizen groups." Other affiliates include 78 UK organisations, including Amnesty International, Comic Relief and Guardian Unlimited. "If this case is allowed to proceed, it means that any British website, or any site in the world, could be dragged into a New York court," says Giordano. "This case is costing me a lot of money that I don't have. It's costing me time that is taking away from my journalism, and it's a warning to every journalist that the same thing will happen to you if you report about the activities of billionaires." Despite this, Giordano is relishing the fight. "If we go to trial, the drug war goes on trial," he says. "This case has many interesting elements, including photos of cocaine trafficking, and the outrageous story of Mexican state persecution of journalists for taking such photos and reporting the facts." Also, "there is drug-money laundering, including in the tourism industry, a US president and ambassador who were guests at the accused trafficker's estate, and official complicity with and protection of white-collar drug trafficking on both sides of the border." __________________________________________________________________________ Distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. --- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From George at Orwellian.Org Thu Jun 28 00:34:25 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Cyborg deployment in Scotland Message-ID: <200106280734.DAA04696@www6.aa.psiweb.com> Excerpt: # ...the extension of Restriction of Liberty Orders... # # There are also plans to use the orders as a condition of a # probation order or a drug treatment and testing order... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,10-2001221674,00.html # # THURSDAY JUNE 28 2001 # # All sheriff courts to have power to tag offenders # # BY GILLIAN HARRIS, SCOTLAND CORRESPONDENT # # POLITICIANS and community leaders gave a cautious welcome # yesterday to plans to increase the use of electronic tagging # of offenders. # # Every sheriff court in Scotland is to be given the option of # electronically monitoring offenders under a scheme announced # by the Scottish Executive. Iain Gray, the Deputy Justice Minister, # unveiled details of the move during a visit to General Security # Services Corporation Europe in East Kilbride. # # Pilot schemes are already under way in Hamilton, Aberdeen and # Peterhead and the firm has the contract to provide the electronic # monitoring service to Hamilton Sheriff Court. # # Mr Gray said 418 offenders had been electronically tagged since # the pilot scheme was launched in August 1998. He described the # initiative, which predominantly sees offenders limited to their # own home for up to 12 hours a day, as a success that should be # extended throughout Scotland. # # Donald Dickie, a senior manager with the community safety # organisation Safeguarding Communities Reducing Offending, welcomed # the move as an alternative to custody. He said that the prison # population in Scotland was too high and that not all offenders # need to be locked up. # # Mr Dickie also welcomed moves to use tagging for inmates released # from prison on licence and under supervision. He said: "It has # the potential to assist in helping people to lead stable lives." # # Roseanna Cunningham, the SNP's Shadow Justice Minister, gave # the announcement a muted welcome but expressed concerns that # no timescale had been given. She said: "I cautiously welcome # the announcement today by the Deputy Justice Minister that # Restriction of Liberty Orders will play a greater role in the # criminal justice system. # # "It is important, however, that these orders are used as a direct # alternative to custody as it makes a great deal of sense both # in terms of justice and in terms of cost." # # Phil Gallie, the Scottish Conservatives' justice spokesman, said # tagging should be used as an additional tool in the fight against # crime. He said: "Electronic tagging must not be an instrument # with which the Scottish Executive can empty our prisons. I have # always been an advocate for electronic tagging, however I never # envisaged that this would provide an easy option for criminals. # # "At all times our courts must ensure that punishment and # deterrence along with protection of the public stands as the # highest priority." # # Mr Gray said the extension of Restriction of Liberty Orders, # under which offenders are fitted with electronic transmitters # so monitoring authorities can keep track of their movements, # would take place once a competitive tendering exercise has been # completed. # # There are also plans to use the orders as a condition of a # probation order or a drug treatment and testing order and for # monitoring of prisoners released on licence under supervision # such as sex offenders. ---- Occasional double emails: I'll be off PSINet within a week. From George at Orwellian.Org Thu Jun 28 01:38:00 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 04:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DCMA: You must use Ford Gas in Ford Cars or Else We Repo The Car Message-ID: <200106280838.EAA06786@www6.aa.psiweb.com> From: Steve Schear # # No need, you can buy these kits for about $100 (by the time you've # used up the initial ink supply included with the kit you've save # about $300 by their reckoning) from MIS http://www.inksupply.com. Heh. http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/arcnew.html # # We have brand new cartridges that are pre filled with the archival # ink. These are available for the all Epson printers except the # 777, 870, 875, 1270, and 2000P. # # Epson has put a chip on the cartridges for # these printers that prevents refilling. Elsewhere they have a link for defeating the chip. From George at Orwellian.Org Thu Jun 28 02:51:20 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 05:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Microsloth Rich Text Format security hole! Message-ID: <200106280951.FAA03401@www9.aa.psiweb.com> http://www.kaspersky.com/news.asp?tnews=0&nview=1&id=199&page=0 # # Thursday, June 14, 2001 # # Malicious Code in RTF Files: Yet another Prediction Comes True # # A Trojan program penetrates computers when reading RTF files # # Kaspersky Lab, an international data-security software-development # company, warns users about the discovery of the Trojan "Goga" # that steals and sends out from infected computers user details # for Internet access (i.e. login, password and other information). # Kaspersky Lab has already received several reports of the Trojan # being detected "in the wild." # # "Goga" has two distinguishing features: the first is that it # utilizes files in RTF format as a means for spreading, confusing # users in as much as they believe these files to be absolutely # safe, often opening them without first administering an anti-virus # check. The second is that the Trojan exploits a well-known breach # in the Microsoft Word security system, allowing a malefactor # to launch a malicious code, unbeknownst to a user, immediately # following the opening of an infected document. # # Breach hyperlink: # # http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-028.asp # # Should a computer not be installed with the proper patch thwarting # this breach, then when the infected RTF file is read, MS Word # automatically downloads a template containing the malicious # macro-program from a remote Web site without any warning # whatsoever. This macro-program extracts additional utility from # the RTF file?s binary section. This utility searches the infected # computer and creates another TXT file containing user Internet # access details. At this point, "Goga" starts up the script program # that publishes the newely created TXT file in a Web-site guest # book open to the general public. The virus writer is now able # to periodically cull stolen information from this site. # # Kaspersky Lab warned users about falling prey to this RTF-file # danger on May 29. We once again recommend that users install # the MS Word patch defending against this Trojan and any other # malicious programs exploiting this breach ASAP. # # Detection and removal procedures have already been added # to the Kaspersky Anti-Virus database daily update. From ravage at ssz.com Thu Jun 28 05:01:44 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:01:44 -0500 Subject: The Register - UK govt. new encryption system only works with MS kit Message-ID: <3B3B1CA8.D9D9C397@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20037.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Thu Jun 28 05:05:10 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:05:10 -0500 Subject: Poll: More Americans Think Amendment Goes Too Far Message-ID: <3B3B1D76.890B0D42@ssz.com> http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=383930&nav=0s3c -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From schear at lvcm.com Thu Jun 28 07:20:39 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:20:39 -0700 Subject: DCMA: You must use Ford Gas in Ford Cars or Else We Repo The Car In-Reply-To: <200106280838.EAA06786@www6.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010628071850.03774f88@pop3.lvcm.com> At 04:38 AM 6/28/2001 -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: >From: Steve Schear ># ># No need, you can buy these kits for about $100 (by the time you've ># used up the initial ink supply included with the kit you've save ># about $300 by their reckoning) from MIS http://www.inksupply.com. > >Heh. > >http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/arcnew.html ># ># We have brand new cartridges that are pre filled with the archival ># ink. These are available for the all Epson printers except the ># 777, 870, 875, 1270, and 2000P. ># ># Epson has put a chip on the cartridges for ># these printers that prevents refilling. > >Elsewhere they have a link for defeating the chip. An interesting tech war that gets little or no press. steve From mmotyka at lsil.com Thu Jun 28 09:42:34 2001 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (mmotyka at lsil.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:42:34 -0700 Subject: Dick Cheney: the new Hillary Clinton Message-ID: <3B3B5E79.54EB48F2@lsil.com> Caught a snippet of Shrub's DOE speech this morning. He refers to the US Government as "my government." Says it'll be doing its best to bring great technology to market, that there are no limits to what technology can achieve. I'd be less negative about the current administration if Shrub had said "your government" but hey I live in a dreamworld. I don't expect anything from Shrub but pandering faith-based waste. Mike > > Heh. Dick Cheney is formulating an energy policy, > but refuses to say who he's meeting with. Just > like Hillary Clinton and her health panel meetings. > > Oh, and after being slammed (Bush/Cheney) for ridiculing > energy conservation, and having made fun of Gore during > the presidential campaign for wanting to offer tax credits > for hybrid car purchases, now recommends doing the same thing. > > Politicians. > > ---- > From mmotyka at lsil.com Thu Jun 28 10:28:56 2001 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (mmotyka at lsil.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:28:56 -0700 Subject: Phoning Home Message-ID: <3B3B6958.D82412B9@lsil.com> > The Ztrace software is probably much the same as the Computrace > software from Absolute Software located in Vancouver BC. The > Computrace software was discussed on this list a number of years > ago, before the call home thru the Net feature was added. > I think when writing a Master Boot Record ( it's been 10 years since I wrote tools that did this ) you can leave as much space as you want completely uncomitted anywhere on the drive. This space should still be accessible by logical block address on the device. What could get fairly interesting is that drives typically reserve some sectors on each track for replacement use should one of the logical sectors on the track go bad. Western Digital http://www.wdc.com offers utilities that manage their drives, apparently even the recent models. What I wonder is are the proprietary APIs published or would the tools have to be reverse engineered? This would allow access to substantial storage that would not show up using that standard ATA calls. In the end though, that storage must be accessed from code in the BIOS or the booted OS so wiping those will probably do the job. Seems like whether you're talking about asset recovery or Napster and copyright the only solutions are men with briefcases and guns or proprietary Si. SW is too easily manipulated. Regards, Mike ********************* > There is 20 to 40 KB of unused space in the system area of any AT > type formated hard drive, same area, or nearby, to where your > partition information is written on the hard drive. This area is > normally not over-written when you use Fdisk to partition a hard > drive or when you do a high level format. > > The software is loaded into this area. The software is configured to > call home base, the security service provider (SSP), on a pre- > determined basis. When it calls home it basically identifies itself > and asks for instructions. In normally circumstances it is given none. > > If an asset is reported stolen and then calls home it is instructed to > call home on a more frequent basis. If it calls home via a telephone > line the SSP gets the calling from number from ANI. If you > terminate incoming digital telephone lines (T1) in a Telco system > compatible device you will be given the ANI, Automatic Number > Identification. You can't block ANI. If it calls home via the Net they > get an IP address. Either way the location of the remote asset is > easily determined. > > When they get a location they contact the nearest local law > enforcement agency, explain the situation and normally the local law > seizes the asset. I use asset as this type of product is marketed for > use in desktop and server type computers. It is also marketed to > insurance companies, want a discount on the policy, just load this > software and keep this number handy incase you lose it. > > experience so I can't speak with any authority. 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Of course I'm going to do that (logging added up interframe deltas, sending me an SMS when gone overthreshold, etc.). But I'm interested in low-tech solutions for fall-back, too. What is practical, i.e. can be setup within few 10 sec, before you leave your flat? (I'm just trying to not reinvent the wheel). -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Thu Jun 28 03:27:27 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:27:27 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: apt bugs considered cheap In-Reply-To: <3B3A22FD.80685EB9@army-of-one.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, John Doe #N wrote: > Given that computer-ready cameras are essentially free (e.g., at Fry's, > with rebates) it makes a lot of sense to run a frame-differencer > and log the events offsite. 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To gauge the magnitude of this issue in the media simply look at the coverage CNN is giving it. As you read further in today's StockNight you'll also find that the issue is now quite global. Today's breaking news comes from a company whose business is in the heart of this electric issue. TechLite (OTCBB: THLT) can help clients take their first step towards energy conservation. They provide state-of-the-art energy efficient lighting retrofit components which can provide more and better lighting while reducing energy costs (the power bill) by 50% or more. We strongly suggest that you read the following and keep THLT on your watch list. Breaking News [Image] [Image] TechLite, Inc. Announces Additional $5 - $7 Million in Regional Sales Goals Projected by New Vice President of Sales TULSA, Okla.--(NEWS WIRE)--June 28, 2001 (18 mins after the bell)--Brad Boyett, based in Austin, Tex., has joined TechLite Inc. (OTCBB:THLT) as Vice President of Sales. 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James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Fri Jun 29 05:41:41 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:41:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ds.pro-ns.net dropped from feed (BOUNCE cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com: global taboo header: /^subject:\s*Returned mail\b/i) (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:21:04 -0500 From: owner-cypherpunks at ssz.com To: owner-cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com Subject: BOUNCE cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com: global taboo header: /^subject:\s*Returned mail\b/i >From owner-cypherpunks at ssz.com Fri Jun 29 07:21:01 2001 Received: (from cpunks at localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17180 for cypherpunks at ssz.com; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with internal id HAA17158; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:55 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <200106291220.HAA17158 at einstein.ssz.com> To: cpunks at einstein.ssz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="HAA17158.993817255/einstein.ssz.com" Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --HAA17158.993817255/einstein.ssz.com The original message was received at Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:46 -0500 from cpunks at localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- cypherpunks at ds.pro-ns.net ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 451 cypherpunks at ds.pro-ns.net... reply: read error from ds.pro-ns.net. ... while talking to mail.pro-ns.net.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 4.1.8 ... 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Mail from OPEN SPAM RELAY 204.96.2.99 rejected;see http://www.mail-abuse.org/cgi-bin/nph-rss?204.96.2.99 Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:55 -0500 --HAA17158.993817255/einstein.ssz.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 From schear at lvcm.com Fri Jun 29 08:28:14 2001 From: schear at lvcm.com (Steve Schear) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:28:14 -0700 Subject: Hackers aren't quite ready to wage war on censors Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010629082755.03774738@pop3.lvcm.com> Hackers aren't quite ready to wage war on censors A group of hackers has decided to pull the launch of its ambitious file-sharing project designed to trounce censorship. The project, named Peekabooty was announced last year by hacker group Cult of the Dead Cow, apparently needs more work before it can be unleashed. Originally the group promised to unveil the P2P software at the Def Con conference for hackers. http://www.silicon.com/public/door?REQUNIQ=993733301&6004REQEVENT=&REQINT1=45362&REQSTR1=newsnow From jd at army-of-one.org Fri Jun 29 08:55:13 2001 From: jd at army-of-one.org (John Doe #N) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:55:13 -0700 Subject: judges with a clue *can* exist Message-ID: <3B3CA4E1.D3F271B0@army-of-one.org> "Protecting children from harmful materials . . . does not justify an unnecessarily broad suppression of speech addressed to adults," Justices Say States, Cities Can't Limit Tobacco Ads http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/scotus/lat_scotus010629.htm From 1724 at imail.pl Fri Jun 29 09:42:43 2001 From: 1724 at imail.pl (Czubak) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:42:43 -0700 Subject: Super Lista Message-ID: <200106291642.JAA19781@ecotone.toad.com> Zapraszam wszystkich ciekawych ludzi do dopisania sie do listy: http://www.listanamaila.prv.pl From 1724 at imail.pl Fri Jun 29 09:48:35 2001 From: 1724 at imail.pl (Czubak) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:48:35 -0700 Subject: Super Lista Message-ID: <200106291648.JAA19824@ecotone.toad.com> Zapraszam wszystkich ciekawych ludzi do dopisania sie do listy: http://www.listanamaila.prv.pl From 1724 at imail.pl Fri Jun 29 10:00:01 2001 From: 1724 at imail.pl (Czubak) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:00:01 -0700 Subject: Super Lista Message-ID: <200106291700.JAA19841@ecotone.toad.com> Zapraszam wszystkich ciekawych ludzi do dopisania sie do listy: http://www.listanamaila.prv.pl From Jon.Beets at pacer.com Fri Jun 29 08:49:07 2001 From: Jon.Beets at pacer.com (Jon Beets) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:49:07 -0500 Subject: Whats up? Message-ID: <00f401c100b3$07b3bb90$03d36b3f@pacer.com> Whats up with all the blank messages coming through the list... Am I the only one gettting these? Jon Beets Pacer Communications -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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ONLY 5 CASINOS PER AREA CODE WILL BE DISTRIBUTED. CALL US NOW TOLL FREE AT 1-877-214-6699 - OUTSIDE THE U.S AT 954-957-7721 OR EMAIL YOUR NAME AND PHONE NUMBER TO mailto:sportsbookcontact at yahoo.com?subject=pleasecontact_me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To be removed from this list please click here and you WILL be removed from ANY future mailings. You received this email either requesting more information on our opportunities or someone may have used your email address. mailto:sportsbookcontact at yahoo.com?subject=remove_BusinessOpp_ad From jchoate at us.tivoli.com Fri Jun 29 09:31:24 2001 From: jchoate at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:31:24 -0500 Subject: USPO and "Under the Eagles Eye"??? Message-ID: Hi, Anyone got a vector to some documentation on the US Postal Services "Under the Eagles Eye" program? James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From bear at sonic.net Fri Jun 29 11:45:40 2001 From: bear at sonic.net (Ray Dillinger) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What's up with Cyberpass? Message-ID: Cyberpass is sending blank emails onto the list. Can somebody please make it stop? Also, I strongly suspect regular mails are not getting though, so this message is in part a "ping".... Bear From jchoate at us.tivoli.com Fri Jun 29 10:21:26 2001 From: jchoate at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:21:26 -0500 Subject: Chronically homeless with 10 children... Message-ID: http://www.Kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/6/27/1642/41038 James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From jchoate at us.tivoli.com Fri Jun 29 10:33:03 2001 From: jchoate at us.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:33:03 -0500 Subject: Hackers delay censorship busting software Message-ID: http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/06/29/hackers.delay.sw.idg/index.html James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate at tivoli.com From gbnewby at ils.unc.edu Fri Jun 29 10:49:48 2001 From: gbnewby at ils.unc.edu (Greg Newby) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:49:48 -0400 Subject: McVeigh trial cost: $13.8 million Message-ID: <20010629134947.A26551@ils.unc.edu> >From http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010629/ts/crime_mcveigh_dc_1.html , an article on the high cost of seeking the death penalty. Unfortunately, it doesn't give any details on the average cost of a "regular" trial...but of course, this was no regular trial, so an average wouldn't be meaningful. For the enterprising list readers among us: it sounds like providing expert testimony is a pretty lucrative vocation! -- Greg -- McVeigh's Bombing Trial Cost $13.8 Million DENVER (Reuters) - Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites)'s 1997 trial in Denver cost U.S. taxpayers $13.8 million, according to figures released on Friday by U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch who presided over the trial. McVeigh was executed on June 11 in a federal prison in Terre Haute, Indiana for the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building (news - web sites) that killed 168 people and injured hundreds others. The figure, which includes $6.7 million for 19 lawyers, only covers expenses until Aug. 14, 1997, the day McVeigh was sentenced to die. In cases where defendants cannot afford to pay for their own defense, the U.S. taxpayer picks up the tab. Costs for support staff for the attorneys, housing and security came to nearly $1.5 million and investigators were paid nearly $2 million. A little more than $3 million was paid to experts who testified in the trial on McVeigh's behalf. Travel expenses added up to $541,885, although some of that expense also covered work done for McVeigh's former army buddy and co-defendant Terry Nichols who was tried separately and sentenced to life in prison for his role. The court expects to release figures on the cost after the sentencing, but no date has been set for that, Matsch's spokesman, James Manspeaker said. From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Fri Jun 29 10:56:35 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:56:35 -0400 Subject: What's up with cyberpass? Message-ID: For a few days now, a growing (and now 100) percentage of my cpunks email has consisted of blank messages from owner at cypherpunks.cyberpass.net >From the number and time distribution of the messages, I suspect I'm getting one for each posting to cypherpunks. Am I the only one who is seeing this? (Reply directly, since I'm not getting intelligable mail from the list). thanks, Peter Trei ptrei at rsasecurity.com From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Fri Jun 29 11:57:32 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:57:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Cyberpass gephuked? In-Reply-To: <200106291522.LAA21972@www3.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: Hi George, Any chance you're from the 'Jungle'? :) Apparently cyberpass is having some sort of problem. It has steadily gotten worse over the last couple of days. Unfortunately I don't have a contact point for the operator of that node so we'll have to wait until somebody with a better contact clue than I can get in touch with them. There are several other nodes, info at: http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > I give up, why am I only getting blank > emails directly from the cyberpass node, > and nothing else? > > Copy me on any reply. > > # Received: from sirius.infonex.com (sirius.infonex.com [216.34.245.2]) by forward1.psiweb.com (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id IAA23645 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:31:37 -0400 (EDT) > # Received: (from majordom at localhost) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12170 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 05:23:14 -0700 (PDT) > # Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 05:23:14 -0700 (PDT) > # From: owner-cypherpunks at cyberpass.net > # Message-ID: <200106291223.FAA12170 at sirius.infonex.com> > # BCC: > # Return-Path: Mailer-Daemon at forward1.psiweb.com > # X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 > # X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > # X-UIDL: a6100000.eml > > -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com Fri Jun 29 12:00:42 2001 From: ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:00:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: blocking chinese domains? (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:21:08 -0500 From: Don Davis To: cryptography at wasabisystems.com Subject: blocking chinese domains? does anyone know whether china has recently shut down its citizens' outgoing network access? in looking over the hits on my web-page recently, i noticed a bizarre factoid: of 7000 hits, none came from the .cn domain; there were hits from armenia, fiji, niue, korea, and other equally- small venues, but none at all from the PRC. is there any known reason for this consistent disparity? - don davis, boston - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo at wasabisystems.com -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Fri Jun 29 12:01:02 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:01:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: DCSB Call for Speakers (fwd) Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 3963 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com Fri Jun 29 12:02:54 2001 From: ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:02:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: update.545 (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:34:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AIP listserver To: physnews-mailing at aip.org Subject: update.545 PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News Number 545 June 27, 2001 by Phillip F. Schewe, Ben Stein, and James Riordon ALL-OPTICAL BEC. Physicists at Georgia Tech have created and stored a Bose-Einstein condensate (BEC) of rubidium atoms in a trap using only laser beams, without the cumbersome magnet coils employed in traditional magneto-optic traps (MOTs). BECs have been transferred into purely optical traps before but this is the first time such a trap has produced the condensation itself, in which thousands or millions of atoms fall into a coherent single quantum state. What are the advantages of an optical design and why are BEC scientists excited about this result? (1) In the Georgia Tech approach the BEC occurs within seconds rather than in tens or hundreds of seconds. (2) Expensive, voltage-regulated power supplies for the magnets are no longer needed. (3) Atoms (such as magnesium or strontium) or molecules with magnetic moments not suitable for conventional traps, can be studied. (4) The faster condensation lessens the need for high vacuum. (5) Without bulky magnets all around, it will be easier to move the condensate into other enclosures, such as into cavities where interactions between the BEC and single photons can be studied. (Barrett et al., Physical Review Letters, 2 July2001; contact Michael Chapman, 404-894-5223, michael.chapman at physics.gatech.edu. Additional note: Physical Review Letters will, as of its 2 July issue, move to a continuous online publication, according to which an article's publication date will coincide with the day on which it is posted online; its print date will be the cover date of the paper issue of PRL in which the article appears in printed form. Furthermore, the printed cover of each issue will carry an illustration from one of the articles therein. The first such figure is associated with this all-optical BEC story.) SEMICONDUCTING MAGNETS AT HIGH TEMPERATURE. For water the melting temperature is where crystal turns to liquid. For magnets the Curie temperature is the point above which the lined-up spins of a ferromagnet fall out of alignment and the material becomes nonmagnetic. Recently the calcium-boron compound CaB6, doped with lanthanum, was observed to retain a modest ferromagnetism at temperatures as high as 900 K, surprising for a compound not containing the traditional magnetic metals such as nickel or iron. Now physicists in The Netherlands (Paul Kelly, University of Twente, p.j.kelly at tn.utwente.nl, 31-53-489-3166) suggest that CaB6 is not a metal, as has been thought, but actually a semiconductor. One obstacle so far to the realization of spintronics, the kind of electronics in which electron spin and not just electron charge plays a part, has been the difficulty of mixing semiconductors and magnetic metals. Hence the value of a semiconductor that starts out as a magnet and remains magnetic well above room temperature. Spintronics analogues of typical semiconductor functions, such as rectification and amplification, would now be possible.. In addition to magnetic sensor and memory applications, entirely new possibilities such as reprogrammable logic might be brought within reach. (Tromp et al., Physical Review Letters, 2 July 2001) ULTRAVIOLET FROM LEDs AND FEL's. Light at almost any wavelength is a useful tool for exploring the material world, but as the wavelength shrinks more information can be encoded into a given light pulse and, when used in a microscope, the light will have greater resolving power. Here are two notable examples of attaining ultraviolet radiation. First, scientists at Argonne's Advanced Photon Source have achieved UV radiation at a wavelength of 385 nm in a free-electron-laser (FEL) setup. In an FEL a beam of high energy electrons is sent through a sequence of magnets which cause the electrons' trajectory to undulate in such a way as to make the electrons radiate light which in turn interacts with the electrons. The researchers hope to extend their method up into the x-ray region (Milton et al., Science, 15 June 2001). The second result, from physicists at the National Institute for Materials Science in Tsukuba, Japan is a report of UV emission (235 nm) from a light emitting diode (LED) made by putting a boron-doped diamond layer up against a phosphorus-doped diamond layer. (Koizumi et al., Science 8 June 2001 -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From bmm at minder.net Fri Jun 29 11:07:13 2001 From: bmm at minder.net (Brian Minder) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What's up with cyberpass? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You might want consider moving to a different node. cyberpass has consistently had problems and the list manager does not respond to emails. Thanks, -Brian lne.com minder.net ssz.com On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > For a few days now, a growing (and now 100) > percentage of my cpunks email has consisted > of blank messages from > owner at cypherpunks.cyberpass.net > > >From the number and time distribution of the > messages, I suspect I'm getting one for each > posting to cypherpunks. > > Am I the only one who is seeing this? > > (Reply directly, since I'm not getting > intelligable mail from the list). > > thanks, > > Peter Trei > ptrei at rsasecurity.com From jd at army-of-one.org Fri Jun 29 14:10:21 2001 From: jd at army-of-one.org (John Doe #N) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:10:21 -0700 Subject: compelled speech in texas Message-ID: <3B3CEEBD.878501F1@army-of-one.org> Texas state law now requires a link on our homepage to an informative page on blocking and filtering software for web browsers. Please follow this link for further information. www.io.com Sounds like some Texas legislators need some hangin' (or whatever they do for crimes against the constitution down there). From ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com Fri Jun 29 12:18:27 2001 From: ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:18:27 -0500 Subject: Slashdot | The Psychology of Passwords Message-ID: <3B3CD483.7DB3897A@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/29/1848225.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From frissell at panix.com Fri Jun 29 11:28:02 2001 From: frissell at panix.com (Duncan Frissell) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:28:02 -0400 Subject: Second Amendment/Bill of Rights Pistol Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010629142741.026b0e10@popserver.panix.com> For those of you who want to defend the Bill of Rights a bit more assertively, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership and Investment Arms, Inc. have produced a Second Amendment Commemorative Pistol. Based on the 1911 Colt .45 auto pistol, and limited to a run of 100, the gun sells for $2495.00. In addition to a lot of 2nd amendment commentary on the slide, the whole Bill of Rights are engraved on the artificial mother-of-pearl pistol grips. 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What is "fully-functional"? Which operating system? I lean towards RTEMS myself. Exactly which material should it screen? You could probably be in full compliance and protest at the same time. Let's say something like : Howdy Howdy Howdy Cowpokes! Texas State Law sec 35.102 compliance How does filter sw work? How do you intercept the data between Netscape and the sockets calls? Is it some kind of proxy on the local machine? Isn't there some sockets or perl whiz who could whip up a fully functional freeware gizmo for Linux that filters the word fuck from an http connection and replaces it with peck in italics? That would fix the peckers. Mike Sec. 35.102. SOFTWARE OR SERVICES THAT RESTRICT ACCESS TO CERTAIN MATERIAL ON INTERNET. (a) A person who provides an interactive computer service to another person for a fee shall provide free of charge to each subscriber of the service in this state a link leading to fully functional shareware, freeware, or demonstration versions of software or to a service that, for at least one operating system, enables the subscriber to automatically block or screen material on the Internet. (b) A provider is considered to be in compliance with this section if the provider places, on the provider's first page of world wide web text information accessible to a subscriber, a link leading to the software or a service described by Subsection (a). The identity of the link or other on-screen depiction of the link must appear set out from surrounding written or graphical material so as to be conspicuous. \ . . . \ Sec. 35.103. CIVIL PENALTY. (a) A person is liable to the state for a civil penalty of $2,000 for each day on which the person provides an interactive computer service for a fee but fails to provide a link to software or a service as required by Section 35.102. The aggregate civil penalty may not exceed $60,000. (b) The attorney general may institute a suit to recover the civil penalty. Before filing suit, the attorney general shall give the person notice of the person's noncompliance and liability for a civil penalty. If the person complies with the requirements of Section 35.102 not later than the 30th day after the date of the notice, the violation is considered cured and the person is not liable for the civil penalty. From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Fri Jun 29 14:38:39 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:38:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: compelled speech in texas In-Reply-To: <3B3CEEBD.878501F1@army-of-one.org> Message-ID: :) We'll see how re-election goes. The Texas legislature meets every other year and we're in a 'off' year now. One point, the govenor who was in charge is not president... On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, John Doe #N wrote: > Texas state law now requires a > link on our homepage to an > informative page on blocking and > filtering software for web > browsers. Please follow this > link for further information. > > www.io.com > > Sounds like some Texas legislators need some hangin' > (or whatever they do for crimes against the constitution > down there). -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From info at scmp.com Fri Jun 29 02:20:18 2001 From: info at scmp.com (info at scmp.com) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:20:18 +0800 Subject: New registration to SCMP.com Message-ID: <035901820091d61PROD2_WEB01@prod2_web01.scmp.com> Dear joe cypher, Thank you for taking time to register with SCMP.com. Your username: joecypher Your password: cypherpunk SCMP.com From cypherpunks at Orwellian.Org Fri Jun 29 15:35:13 2001 From: cypherpunks at Orwellian.Org (cypherpunks at Orwellian.Org) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: unsuvscribe Message-ID: <200106292235.SAA08703@www4.aa.psiweb.com> Well, I'm still blind to the list. (no wisecracks) I unsubscribed from cyberpass, it didn't send an email to verify the unsubscribe, it just did it. Following Choate's directions, I tried to subscribe to one of the other nodes listed on his page. The choice: openpgp.net. It didn't send a reply to a subscribe request to listproc. I then googled the commands for listproc, and sent listproc at openpgp.net a 'help' line, and a 'lists' line, and an 'add...' line. No response at all. Warum? Could someone email me directly with a non-censored non-delayed node name, and its subscribe sequence. Tanks Advance. From wmo at pro-ns.net Fri Jun 29 16:53:01 2001 From: wmo at pro-ns.net (Bill O'Hanlon) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:53:01 -0500 Subject: ds.pro-ns.net dropped from feed (BOUNCE cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com: global taboo header: /^subject:\s*Returned mail\b/i) (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010629185301.A6631@rebma.pro-ns.net> Looks like my secondary MX mailserver wasn't set to allow ssz.com mail through. The primary always allowed it, of course. Sorry about that. It's been fixed. Feel free to undrop ds.pro-ns.net, Jim, if you so desire. -Bill -- Bill O'Hanlon wmo at pro-ns.net Professional Network Services, Inc. 612-379-3958 http://www.pro-ns.net On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 07:41:41AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:21:04 -0500 > From: owner-cypherpunks at ssz.com > To: owner-cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com > Subject: BOUNCE cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com: global taboo header: /^subject:\s*Returned mail\b/i > > >From owner-cypherpunks at ssz.com Fri Jun 29 07:21:01 2001 > Received: (from cpunks at localhost) > by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17180 > for cypherpunks at ssz.com; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:56 -0500 > Received: from localhost (localhost) > by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with internal id HAA17158; > Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:55 -0500 > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:55 -0500 > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem > Message-Id: <200106291220.HAA17158 at einstein.ssz.com> > To: cpunks at einstein.ssz.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; > boundary="HAA17158.993817255/einstein.ssz.com" > Subject: Returned mail: User unknown > Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) > > This is a MIME-encapsulated message > > --HAA17158.993817255/einstein.ssz.com > > The original message was received at Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:46 -0500 > from cpunks at localhost > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > cypherpunks at ds.pro-ns.net > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 451 cypherpunks at ds.pro-ns.net... reply: read error from ds.pro-ns.net. > ... while talking to mail.pro-ns.net.: > >>> RCPT To: > <<< 550 4.1.8 ... Mail from OPEN SPAM RELAY 204.96.2.99 rejected;see http://www.mail-abuse.org/cgi-bin/nph-rss?204.96.2.99 > 550 cypherpunks at ds.pro-ns.net... User unknown > > --HAA17158.993817255/einstein.ssz.com > Content-Type: message/delivery-status > > Reporting-MTA: dns; einstein.ssz.com > Arrival-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:46 -0500 > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; cypherpunks at ds.pro-ns.net > Action: failed > Status: 5.1.1 > Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.pro-ns.net > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 4.1.8 ... Mail from OPEN SPAM RELAY 204.96.2.99 rejected;see http://www.mail-abuse.org/cgi-bin/nph-rss?204.96.2.99 > Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:55 -0500 > > --HAA17158.993817255/einstein.ssz.com > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > > Return-Path: > Received: (from cpunks at localhost) > by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17151 > for cypherpunks at ds.pro-ns.net; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:46 -0500 > Received: from slack.lne.com ([209.157.136.81]) > by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17144 > for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:20:43 -0500 > Received: (from cpunk at localhost) > by slack.lne.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f5TCBWv21353 > for cpunks at ssz.com; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 05:11:32 -0700 > Received: from hq.pro-ns.net (hq.pro-ns.net [208.200.182.20]) > by slack.lne.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5TCBU821347 > for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 05:11:30 -0700 > Received: (from cpunks at localhost) > by hq.pro-ns.net (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f5TCBHE35954 > for cpunk at lne.com; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:11:17 -0500 (CDT) > Received: from sirius.infonex.com (sirius.infonex.com [216.34.245.2]) > by hq.pro-ns.net (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5TCBF935946 > for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 07:11:16 -0500 (CDT) > Received: (from majordom at localhost) by sirius.infonex.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11188 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 04:51:43 -0700 (PDT) > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 04:51:43 -0700 (PDT) > From: owner-cypherpunks at cyberpass.net > Message-Id: <200106291151.EAA11188 at sirius.infonex.com> > X-spam: 0 > > > --HAA17158.993817255/einstein.ssz.com-- > From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Fri Jun 29 10:28:41 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:28:41 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Whats up? In-Reply-To: <00f401c100b3$07b3bb90$03d36b3f@pacer.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Jon Beets wrote: > Whats up with all the blank messages coming through the list... Am I the only Whazzup? none. watching a game... having a bud... > one gettting these? true. true. -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Fri Jun 29 10:28:41 2001 From: Eugene.Leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:28:41 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Whats up? In-Reply-To: <00f401c100b3$07b3bb90$03d36b3f@pacer.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Jon Beets wrote: > Whats up with all the blank messages coming through the list... Am I the only Whazzup? none. watching a game... having a bud... > one gettting these? true. true. -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 From ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com Fri Jun 29 17:29:12 2001 From: ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:29:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ds.pro-ns.net dropped from feed (BOUNCE cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com: global taboo header: /^subject:\s*Returned mail\b/i) (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20010629185301.A6631@rebma.pro-ns.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Bill O'Hanlon wrote: > Looks like my secondary MX mailserver wasn't set to allow ssz.com mail > through. The primary always allowed it, of course. Sorry about that. > > It's been fixed. Feel free to undrop ds.pro-ns.net, Jim, if you so desire. Roger, wilco. 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Full Story. http://www.auctioneagle.com/article.php?sid=31&mode=thread&order=0 ________________________________________________________ About AuctionEagle.com AuctionEagle.com is the definitive news source for current events in the world of online auctions. Weekly articles, news and stories that dig deep into the heart of online auction events. AuctionEagle is, and always will be, free to all users, including forum and chat and free classifieds and dealer listings. Visit us online at http://www.auctioneagle.com ________________________________________________________ You are receiving this email because you are an opt-in member of the AuctionEagle.com membership, or your email address was part of a mailing list. 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From declan at well.com Sat Jun 30 10:37:00 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:37:00 -0400 Subject: Police arrest newspaper editor for criticizing Florida cops In-Reply-To: <3B395A57.EF70FC0E@ameritech.net> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010626214305.024b95a0@mail.well.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010630133612.02147cf0@mail.well.com> From my weekly Wired column... -Declan http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,44939,00.html Thuggish cops: Police in Key West, Florida, arrested a newspaper editor last week for printing an article that criticized an internal police investigation. The editor of Key West The Newspaper, Dennis Cooper, is being prosecuted for allegedly violating a state law. Under Florida law, it's a crime to disclose information about a police investigation -- even if you're the person who had filed a complaint alleging police wrongdoing, as Cooper seems to have done. Cooper's site was offline earlier in the week, but, as usual, the Net community pitched in and mirrored copies of some of his articles that criticized the local cops. A disturbing side note: According to a report in the Miami Herald, the police knew some judges had ruled this law was unconstitutional before they charged Cooper with violating it. From leat32500 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 30 13:59:17 2001 From: leat32500 at earthlink.net (Lea Turgeon) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:59:17 -0700 Subject: Idiots Message-ID: <4120016630205917550@earthlink.net> You guys are Idiots, if you want people to stick with/start with your compan, maybe you should address them as potential. To bad you LOSER!!!!!! --- Lea Turgeon --- leat32500 at earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And, of course, keep up-wind ... and off ground-zero too. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/load1.html From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sat Jun 30 16:17:56 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:17:56 -0500 Subject: OPT: Slashdot | Long-Range Networking Message-ID: <3B3E5E24.DB617CE5@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/30/2111211.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sat Jun 30 16:50:50 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:50:50 -0500 Subject: Scientific American: News In Brief: New Technique for 'Tipping' Electron Spins: June 29, 2001 Message-ID: <3B3E65DA.58250C3C@ssz.com> I guess these guys must be wrong about the use of 'coherence'... http://www.sciam.com/news/062901/2.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From declan at well.com Sat Jun 30 17:39:22 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 20:39:22 -0400 Subject: OPT: Slashdot | Long-Range Networking In-Reply-To: <3B3E5E24.DB617CE5@ssz.com>; from ravage@ssz.com on Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 06:17:56PM -0500 References: <3B3E5E24.DB617CE5@ssz.com> Message-ID: <20010630203922.A13078@cluebot.com> I was wondering how much Slashdot-spam traffic Choate adds to the list, so I did the below computation. %fgrep 'From:' cypherpunks|wc -l 2210 %fgrep 'From:' cypherpunks | fgrep Choate|wc -l 366 Now, this is my "active" cypherpunks inbox and I suspect I delete a lot of Choatisms from it, but the percentage is still not as high as I thought it would be. -Declan On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 06:17:56PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/06/30/2111211.shtml > -- > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. > > Ludwig Wittgenstein > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From morlockelloi at yahoo.com Sat Jun 30 21:17:02 2001 From: morlockelloi at yahoo.com (Morlock Elloi) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 21:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Idiots In-Reply-To: <4120016630205917550@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010701041702.81166.qmail@web13204.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lea Turgeon wrote: > > You guys are Idiots, if you want people to stick with/start with your > compan, maybe you should address them as potential. To bad you > LOSER!!!!!! Tsk tsk. This is the problem with poor literacy and idiot-enabling user interface. In the olde times being able to use a computer meant IQ >= 90. First, why capital I in Idiots ? Does it mean Bigger Idiots ? Then, LOSER seems to be in the singular form, while guys/Idiots are plural. This is confusing the audience. To bad or not to bad ? This is very innovative and I'd be inclined to give a point for this, if only I could convince myself that this was on purpose. Lea Turgeon, you are an illiterate imbecile. This means something bad. Look it up in a dictionary. A dictionary is a book that explains meaning of words. A book is something that looks like a magazine but has fewer ads and costs more per pound. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From amaha at vsnl.net Sat Jun 30 09:24:11 2001 From: amaha at vsnl.net (Fountain Of Joy) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 21:54:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: Thought-A-Day Message-ID: <20010630162411.333BBBAE6@mmb1.vsnl.net.in> It is the first law of friendship that it has to be cultivated.The second is to be indulgent when the first law is neglected. -- Voltaire ***************************************************************************** Your name has been recommended to receive thoughts of wisdom from Fountain of Joy.These refreshing thoughts will be delivered,free of cost,to your desktop,everyday,for an initial evaluation period.We believe that the meaningful insights of these carefully selected thoughts will bring peace,success & happyness in your life. If you would like your near and dear ones to receive these thoughts,please send their email addresses to amaha at vsnl.net We apologise if this email is received by you in error.If you desire to unsubscribe,reply to this email with 'remove' in the subject line. Thank you. ----Director, Fountain of Joy (Non-religious Organisation) From George at Orwellian.Org Sat Jun 30 19:32:27 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OPT: Slashdot | Long-Range Networking Message-ID: <200107010232.WAA11876@www1.aa.psiweb.com> Declan wrote: # I was wondering how much Slashdot-spam traffic Choate adds # to the list... Maybe it's because there's nothing left at wired.com? Wired has an entire 4 articles, with 13 Choatian links elsewhere. If only Choate would bundle his stuff up each day. ---- Thanks to the one person who told me Choate's link to openpgp being a working node was wrong. I am now subscrived via lne.com, which has frighteningly little traffic. I am so used to the full flow of spam, it seems like something is wrong. Where have all my Nigerian/Fast Money/Bulk Email friends gone? Giganet? ---- Declan, yours is not the only review of AI to mention Pinocchio. Doesn't it dredge up anything deeper, related to cybernetic life? ---- May 7, 2001 NYT Patents # # Many companies abandon potential trademark ideas when # they cannot register the corresponding domain name. From declan at well.com Sat Jun 30 19:50:39 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:50:39 -0400 Subject: OPT: Slashdot | Long-Range Networking In-Reply-To: <200107010232.WAA11876@www1.aa.psiweb.com>; from George@Orwellian.Org on Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 10:32:27PM -0400 References: <200107010232.WAA11876@www1.aa.psiweb.com> Message-ID: <20010630225039.A14641@cluebot.com> I believe we posted four articles today and only featured those four on the Wired home page. This IMHO is a bad idea; we should leave yesterday's on the home page tool, if only to avoid criticisms like the below. As for Pinocchio, it's an explicit and major part of the movie, such as it is. So it needs to be mentioned. But anything deeper? I don't think so -- the movie was too much of a mismash of themes to say that. -Declan On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 10:32:27PM -0400, George at Orwellian.Org wrote: > Declan wrote: > # I was wondering how much Slashdot-spam traffic Choate adds > # to the list... > > Maybe it's because there's nothing left at wired.com? > > Wired has an entire 4 articles, with 13 Choatian links elsewhere. > > If only Choate would bundle his stuff up each day. > > ---- > > Thanks to the one person who told me Choate's link to > openpgp being a working node was wrong. > > I am now subscrived via lne.com, which has frighteningly > little traffic. I am so used to the full flow of spam, > it seems like something is wrong. Where have all my > Nigerian/Fast Money/Bulk Email friends gone? Giganet? > > ---- > > Declan, yours is not the only review of AI to mention Pinocchio. > Doesn't it dredge up anything deeper, related to cybernetic life? > > ---- > > May 7, 2001 NYT Patents > # > # Many companies abandon potential trademark ideas when > # they cannot register the corresponding domain name. From martin.shipperley at ntlworld.co.uk Sat Jun 30 18:56:53 2001 From: martin.shipperley at ntlworld.co.uk (martin.shipperley at ntlworld.co.uk) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 01:56:53 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <029d25356000171ICS0034@ics0034.ics.ntlworld.com> Best Wishes