Meatspace anonymity manual

[Vinay Menon]

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-cypherpunks at minder.net
[mailto:owner-cypherpunks at minder.net]On Behalf Of Craig Brozefsky
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 12:37 PM
To: Faustine
Cc: cypherpunks at lne.com
Subject: Re: Meatspace anonymity manual


"Faustine" <a3495 at cotse.com> writes:

To make it clear, I'm not a member of the Black Blocs, associated with
them in any way, nor do I think the tactic is effective.  I was asking
Sampo if he was being sarcastic in his association of this tactic with
an anarchist ideology of any value.

> Frankly, I don't see how any kind of "short-term tactic for possibly
> illegal operations on the street in an environment full of police"
> could be good for anything more than the symbolic. What did these
> "illegal operations" really accomplish apart from getting out a
> statement? Serious question. I'm just not seeing it.

Symbolically, not much good except for recruiting young males with
visions of being the storm-troopers of revolution or something.

I had an off-list discussion with someone about wether these actions
were purely symbolic or not, my position is that they are not.  My
argument is based on what these people are writing in their
calls-to-arms or whatever you call them.  They are actually trying to
develop tactics for these situations, not present an image to others.

I can respect the desire to develop tactics for operating in
situations like that (breaking barricades, evacuating downed marchers
etc...), if only because I imagine that such tactics will be
neccesarry to provide sufficient symbolic victories. A WTO protest
that has people in turtle suits running around outside the fenced off
area is one thing, a WTO protest that results in the storming and/or
burning down of the hotel the conference was being held is another.

Oops, I just put myself on some Fed list.

-- 
Craig Brozefsky                             <craig at red-bean.com>
                                  http://www.red-bean.com/~craig
"Indifference is the dead weight of history." -- Antonio Gramsci