Jim's posting practices [ Was: Re: to Jim.]

[Joel M Fulton]

Harm?  I sell my time.  You're wasting it.  I buy my bandwidth.  You're
wasting it.

On a related note, God gave you a brain. 

On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:34:16 -0600 (CST) Jim Choate <ravage at ssz.com>
writes:
> 
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Trei, Peter wrote:
> 
> > You are confusing two distinct issues: Form and Content.
> 
> Your first mistake. They are not distinct. One can not have one 
> without
> the other.
> 
> > On the Content side, you are essentially correct. I and many 
> others
> > find the beliefs you espouse on physics, law, and mathematics 
> > idiosyncratic,  peculiar, and often just plain wrong.
> 
> And I challenge you to demonstrate the errors. To date not one of 
> these
> supposed failures has been demonstrated.
> 
> As to having ideas survive it is the reason I post in public forums,
> private forums are worthless for this.
> 
> > However, as to Form, you're mistaken. Cypherpunks is NOT an 
> > anarchy - it's a forum for communication. 'Communication'  shares 
> > roots with  'Common' and 'Community' . More than one party is 
> > involved. For effective communication to occur,  certain agreed 
> > (often tacitly or by default) protocols and standards are adhered 
> > to by the parties (note the plural) wishing to communicate.
> > 
> > This is where you are failing ('What we have here is a failure to
> > communicate' :-)
> 
> No, a failure to conform. To in fact conform to an arbitrary 
> standard with
> reason to its existance. The fact is if you refer to the archives 
> I've
> posted forwards in a variety of styles. Without fail each and every 
> one of
> them (some of them being suggested now as 'accepted' alternatives - 
> which
> is a hoot for me) has come under criticism. In many cases by the 
> same
> parties.
> 
> > To be specific, your methods of citation of outside sources are
> > both burdensome and ineffective.
> 
> In your opinion. You say 'potatoe' and I say 'potato'. They are in 
> fact
> standard accepted citations methods.
> 
> > Consider a very recent example. This morning, you posted an
> > note titled: 'CDR: IP & copyright - Somebody with a clue?
> > 
> > The message consisted of:
> > 
> > 1.  4 lines of message:
> > 
> > 	The original article is over on /.. Apparently Baen Books 
> is willing
> > to
> > 	put their wallet where there mouth is to prove that the 
> current IP
> > argument
> > 	is doomed. It will be an interesting experiment.
> > 
> > ...which would have been greatly improved by the sentence: "Baen 
> is putting 
> > some of its books on the net for (cheap) downloads."
> 
> Get a fucking clue.
> 
> > 2. A one line URL (a useful one, BTW).
> > 
> > 3. 12 lines of sigfile, including a non-working hostname
> > (www.ssz.com).
> 
> Actually it does work just fine.
> 
> > 4. An attached HTML page, which does nothing but put up
> > a screen saying 'Baen Free LIbrary', along with a broken
> > image link. 
> 
> Shouldn't have been any attachment, just the URL. Oh well. Shit 
> happens.
> 
> > Jim: Can you explain why you did this?
> 
> Can you explain why I should? Why are your beliefs as to posting 
> style,
> content, what I or any other member of this find of particular 
> fucking
> interest? Demonstrate why any of my actions to date have caused you 
> ANY
> sort of harm? Because without harm you've no business asking, let 
> alone
> telling them what to be doing or how.
> 
> You're exactly the sort of person Cypherpunks are trying to stop.
> 
>     
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